<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_09_215228</id>
	<title>Best Mouse For Programming?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1247130840000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>LosManos writes <i>"Which is the best programming mouse? Mandatory musts are wireless, and that it doesn't clog up like old mechanical mice. Present personal preferences are for: lots of buttons, since if I have moved my hand away from the keyboard I can at least do something more than move the pointer;  sturdy feeling;  not too light, so it doesn't move around by me accidentally looking at it."</i> What would you recommend?</htmltext>
<tokenext>LosManos writes " Which is the best programming mouse ?
Mandatory musts are wireless , and that it does n't clog up like old mechanical mice .
Present personal preferences are for : lots of buttons , since if I have moved my hand away from the keyboard I can at least do something more than move the pointer ; sturdy feeling ; not too light , so it does n't move around by me accidentally looking at it .
" What would you recommend ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LosManos writes "Which is the best programming mouse?
Mandatory musts are wireless, and that it doesn't clog up like old mechanical mice.
Present personal preferences are for: lots of buttons, since if I have moved my hand away from the keyboard I can at least do something more than move the pointer;  sturdy feeling;  not too light, so it doesn't move around by me accidentally looking at it.
" What would you recommend?</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642781</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>c0d3g33k</author>
	<datestamp>1247136000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can see by your relatively high UID that you haven't yet evolved beyond the need to demonstrate your l33tness through hardship.  When you grow up , sonny, you'll come to learn that you don't obtain l33tness from the tools you choose.  Your l33tness will manifest itself through any tool you use.  As such you no longer need to be afraid of newer, more modern tools, and you can work more efficiently like the guru that you are.  Only fools and novices shackle themselves with inferior tools to demonstrate their worthiness.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see by your relatively high UID that you have n't yet evolved beyond the need to demonstrate your l33tness through hardship .
When you grow up , sonny , you 'll come to learn that you do n't obtain l33tness from the tools you choose .
Your l33tness will manifest itself through any tool you use .
As such you no longer need to be afraid of newer , more modern tools , and you can work more efficiently like the guru that you are .
Only fools and novices shackle themselves with inferior tools to demonstrate their worthiness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see by your relatively high UID that you haven't yet evolved beyond the need to demonstrate your l33tness through hardship.
When you grow up , sonny, you'll come to learn that you don't obtain l33tness from the tools you choose.
Your l33tness will manifest itself through any tool you use.
As such you no longer need to be afraid of newer, more modern tools, and you can work more efficiently like the guru that you are.
Only fools and novices shackle themselves with inferior tools to demonstrate their worthiness.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646709</id>
	<title>Kinesis Advantage + Wacom Tablet</title>
	<author>EEBaum</author>
	<datestamp>1247257500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Screw the mouse!  Just about any programming task that might use a mouse can be done more quickly (and less irritatingly) with a keyboard once you learn how.  My optimum setup is a Kinesis Advantage keyboard, paired with a Wacom tablet.<br>
<br>
While pricy, I've found the Kinesis to be worth every penny.  The plethora of thumb keys allows me to keep not only my hands at the keyboard, but also my fingers positioned at the home row.  No big moves for backspace, delete, page up/down, home.  Ctrl and Alt are also thumb keys, eliminating the little Cut/Copy/Paste dance.  The keys are also closer together, ergonomically positioned, and have delightful response. My only complaint is that the ESC and the Function keys are tiny little rubber buttons on top.  Still, compared to the standard, and even "natural" layouts, it's far, far superior imho.<br>
<br>
But I digress.  Next comes the usefulness of the Wacom tablet.  While excellent for graphical apps, I've found it exceptionally poor for programming-type tasks.  Which is why I use it.  The sheer irritation of having to move my hand, pick up the pen (if I can locate it!), hover over the pad to find the pointer on screen, do my business, then set the pen down before returning the keyboard is motivation enough for me to learn, remember, and use keyboard shortcuts as often as possible.  A bit painful for the first few days, but a huge time saver in the long run.  Any minor task that I might otherwise use the mouse for, after using it once or twice I'll be giddy to find a keyboard replacement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw the mouse !
Just about any programming task that might use a mouse can be done more quickly ( and less irritatingly ) with a keyboard once you learn how .
My optimum setup is a Kinesis Advantage keyboard , paired with a Wacom tablet .
While pricy , I 've found the Kinesis to be worth every penny .
The plethora of thumb keys allows me to keep not only my hands at the keyboard , but also my fingers positioned at the home row .
No big moves for backspace , delete , page up/down , home .
Ctrl and Alt are also thumb keys , eliminating the little Cut/Copy/Paste dance .
The keys are also closer together , ergonomically positioned , and have delightful response .
My only complaint is that the ESC and the Function keys are tiny little rubber buttons on top .
Still , compared to the standard , and even " natural " layouts , it 's far , far superior imho .
But I digress .
Next comes the usefulness of the Wacom tablet .
While excellent for graphical apps , I 've found it exceptionally poor for programming-type tasks .
Which is why I use it .
The sheer irritation of having to move my hand , pick up the pen ( if I can locate it !
) , hover over the pad to find the pointer on screen , do my business , then set the pen down before returning the keyboard is motivation enough for me to learn , remember , and use keyboard shortcuts as often as possible .
A bit painful for the first few days , but a huge time saver in the long run .
Any minor task that I might otherwise use the mouse for , after using it once or twice I 'll be giddy to find a keyboard replacement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw the mouse!
Just about any programming task that might use a mouse can be done more quickly (and less irritatingly) with a keyboard once you learn how.
My optimum setup is a Kinesis Advantage keyboard, paired with a Wacom tablet.
While pricy, I've found the Kinesis to be worth every penny.
The plethora of thumb keys allows me to keep not only my hands at the keyboard, but also my fingers positioned at the home row.
No big moves for backspace, delete, page up/down, home.
Ctrl and Alt are also thumb keys, eliminating the little Cut/Copy/Paste dance.
The keys are also closer together, ergonomically positioned, and have delightful response.
My only complaint is that the ESC and the Function keys are tiny little rubber buttons on top.
Still, compared to the standard, and even "natural" layouts, it's far, far superior imho.
But I digress.
Next comes the usefulness of the Wacom tablet.
While excellent for graphical apps, I've found it exceptionally poor for programming-type tasks.
Which is why I use it.
The sheer irritation of having to move my hand, pick up the pen (if I can locate it!
), hover over the pad to find the pointer on screen, do my business, then set the pen down before returning the keyboard is motivation enough for me to learn, remember, and use keyboard shortcuts as often as possible.
A bit painful for the first few days, but a huge time saver in the long run.
Any minor task that I might otherwise use the mouse for, after using it once or twice I'll be giddy to find a keyboard replacement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28650415</id>
	<title>Re:MX Revolution for me</title>
	<author>Doctor Faustus</author>
	<datestamp>1247243100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>and two, count em, *two*, mouse wheels.</i><br>I've been using a Logiitech MX Revolution at work for two years, and I still haven't figured out what that second wheel on the side is for.</p><p>On the other hand, I've had a policy of never installing any special drivers that come with a mouse, especially from Logitech, since 1997 or so when my first scroll mouse's driver took over 90\% of the CPU utilization on my 266mhz K6-2.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and two , count em , * two * , mouse wheels.I 've been using a Logiitech MX Revolution at work for two years , and I still have n't figured out what that second wheel on the side is for.On the other hand , I 've had a policy of never installing any special drivers that come with a mouse , especially from Logitech , since 1997 or so when my first scroll mouse 's driver took over 90 \ % of the CPU utilization on my 266mhz K6-2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and two, count em, *two*, mouse wheels.I've been using a Logiitech MX Revolution at work for two years, and I still haven't figured out what that second wheel on the side is for.On the other hand, I've had a policy of never installing any special drivers that come with a mouse, especially from Logitech, since 1997 or so when my first scroll mouse's driver took over 90\% of the CPU utilization on my 266mhz K6-2.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642507</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647547</id>
	<title>&#194;Programming Mouse?</title>
	<author>aceofspades1217</author>
	<datestamp>1247225640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a reason why there is no such things as programming mouses...because programmers rarely using mice...</p><p>A better solution would be to learn how to use keyboard shortcuts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a reason why there is no such things as programming mouses...because programmers rarely using mice...A better solution would be to learn how to use keyboard shortcuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a reason why there is no such things as programming mouses...because programmers rarely using mice...A better solution would be to learn how to use keyboard shortcuts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646477</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247168040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should probably try getting a Wacom tablet with a mouse, the mice for tablets are very light-weight (since there are no batteries) and there is no annoying cable that gets tangled.</p><p>As an added bonus you don't have to pay attention to the orientation of the mouse, only which way you're moving it in relation to the tablet. The downside to this is that regular mice feel incredibly clumsy and lacking in precision after you've gotten used to using a tablet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should probably try getting a Wacom tablet with a mouse , the mice for tablets are very light-weight ( since there are no batteries ) and there is no annoying cable that gets tangled.As an added bonus you do n't have to pay attention to the orientation of the mouse , only which way you 're moving it in relation to the tablet .
The downside to this is that regular mice feel incredibly clumsy and lacking in precision after you 've gotten used to using a tablet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should probably try getting a Wacom tablet with a mouse, the mice for tablets are very light-weight (since there are no batteries) and there is no annoying cable that gets tangled.As an added bonus you don't have to pay attention to the orientation of the mouse, only which way you're moving it in relation to the tablet.
The downside to this is that regular mice feel incredibly clumsy and lacking in precision after you've gotten used to using a tablet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642481</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28651235</id>
	<title>Ergonomics</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247246460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm actually quite fond of the Evoluent ergonomic mouse. Not a lot of whizbang features, but it's wireless and my shoulder doesn't hurt at the end of each day anymore.</p><p>Cons: no charging station; needs double A batteries.</p><p>http://www.evoluent.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm actually quite fond of the Evoluent ergonomic mouse .
Not a lot of whizbang features , but it 's wireless and my shoulder does n't hurt at the end of each day anymore.Cons : no charging station ; needs double A batteries.http : //www.evoluent.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm actually quite fond of the Evoluent ergonomic mouse.
Not a lot of whizbang features, but it's wireless and my shoulder doesn't hurt at the end of each day anymore.Cons: no charging station; needs double A batteries.http://www.evoluent.com/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28650787</id>
	<title>The best mouse for the job...</title>
	<author>Drakkenmensch</author>
	<datestamp>1247244600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I strongly recommend the pandimensional mice who had the earth ordered to the Magratheans. Their grasp on all things technological is unmatched, just don't let them talk you into selling them your brain - the replacement brain they'll try to push on you is a low-end model that can only say <i>What?</i> and <i>Where's the tea?</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>I strongly recommend the pandimensional mice who had the earth ordered to the Magratheans .
Their grasp on all things technological is unmatched , just do n't let them talk you into selling them your brain - the replacement brain they 'll try to push on you is a low-end model that can only say What ?
and Where 's the tea ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I strongly recommend the pandimensional mice who had the earth ordered to the Magratheans.
Their grasp on all things technological is unmatched, just don't let them talk you into selling them your brain - the replacement brain they'll try to push on you is a low-end model that can only say What?
and Where's the tea?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645431</id>
	<title>Microsoft</title>
	<author>GWBasic</author>
	<datestamp>1247152260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love basic Microsoft mice: Simple, wired, two buttons, and a scroll wheel.  No drivers, extra buttons, or other weird stuff.  I even use them with my Macintosh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love basic Microsoft mice : Simple , wired , two buttons , and a scroll wheel .
No drivers , extra buttons , or other weird stuff .
I even use them with my Macintosh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love basic Microsoft mice: Simple, wired, two buttons, and a scroll wheel.
No drivers, extra buttons, or other weird stuff.
I even use them with my Macintosh.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645617</id>
	<title>logitch vx or mx</title>
	<author>zr</author>
	<datestamp>1247154060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>logitch vx and mx are my mice of choice for many years. not too hot for the nano.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>logitch vx and mx are my mice of choice for many years .
not too hot for the nano .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>logitch vx and mx are my mice of choice for many years.
not too hot for the nano.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642445</id>
	<title>Logitech Marble Mouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Logitech Marble Mouse trackball has four buttons, sturdy, and won't cause your neck to get strained from the fine motor control required to move a regular mouse. Mine has a USB cable; I do not know if a wireless version is available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Logitech Marble Mouse trackball has four buttons , sturdy , and wo n't cause your neck to get strained from the fine motor control required to move a regular mouse .
Mine has a USB cable ; I do not know if a wireless version is available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Logitech Marble Mouse trackball has four buttons, sturdy, and won't cause your neck to get strained from the fine motor control required to move a regular mouse.
Mine has a USB cable; I do not know if a wireless version is available.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28649963</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech Trackman Marble</title>
	<author>elodoth</author>
	<datestamp>1247241420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't stand the centered ball on this model, though I suppose it is the only way to go for lefties.  I use the Logitech Trackman Wheel Optical myself.  Love it.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't stand the centered ball on this model , though I suppose it is the only way to go for lefties .
I use the Logitech Trackman Wheel Optical myself .
Love it .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't stand the centered ball on this model, though I suppose it is the only way to go for lefties.
I use the Logitech Trackman Wheel Optical myself.
Love it.
:)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643595</id>
	<title>Sore arm? Place mouse in front of Keyboard!</title>
	<author>refactored</author>
	<datestamp>1247139480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use to suffer from painful shoulder muscles... Bad case of "mouse shoulder", the alternatives were to stop playing <a href="wesnoth.org" title="slashdot.org">Wesnoth</a> [slashdot.org] or get a wireless rat.
<p>
Now I play (and work) with my wireless optical rat in front of my Logitech S510 keyboard and shoulder pain is a distant memory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use to suffer from painful shoulder muscles... Bad case of " mouse shoulder " , the alternatives were to stop playing Wesnoth [ slashdot.org ] or get a wireless rat .
Now I play ( and work ) with my wireless optical rat in front of my Logitech S510 keyboard and shoulder pain is a distant memory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use to suffer from painful shoulder muscles... Bad case of "mouse shoulder", the alternatives were to stop playing Wesnoth [slashdot.org] or get a wireless rat.
Now I play (and work) with my wireless optical rat in front of my Logitech S510 keyboard and shoulder pain is a distant memory.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644523</id>
	<title>I hear Mickey is pretty good</title>
	<author>SpaceLifeForm</author>
	<datestamp>1247144520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But, he does not do C#.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But , he does not do C # .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But, he does not do C#.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642929</id>
	<title>Logitech MX revolution</title>
	<author>drukawski</author>
	<datestamp>1247136540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/130&amp;cl=US,EN" title="logitech.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/130&amp;cl=US,EN</a> [logitech.com]
does everything you could ask it, tons of buttons, takes a bit of time to set up but you don't HAVE to customize all the buttons to do what you want. Little on the pricey side but the battery lasts for days and it comes with its own charger. The only drawback is not all of the buttons can be programmed to be used as generic buttons.<br> I don't remember who made it but one of the guys I went to college with had himself a mouse where a simple usb cord acted as the charger cord and the mouse could be used while it was charging. In essence the mouse was wireless unless the battery ran out, then it was just wired until it was charged up again. Thing still had a scroll/tilt wheel and 7 buttons.<p> To be honest though you might just take a look at trackballs, I know they aren't as popular as they used to be but I like using them when I code mainly because my desk becomes covered with paper trash, empty chips bags, and cans of beer in short order and I run out of room for the mouse to move around in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice \ _pointers/mice/devices/130&amp;cl = US,EN [ logitech.com ] does everything you could ask it , tons of buttons , takes a bit of time to set up but you do n't HAVE to customize all the buttons to do what you want .
Little on the pricey side but the battery lasts for days and it comes with its own charger .
The only drawback is not all of the buttons can be programmed to be used as generic buttons .
I do n't remember who made it but one of the guys I went to college with had himself a mouse where a simple usb cord acted as the charger cord and the mouse could be used while it was charging .
In essence the mouse was wireless unless the battery ran out , then it was just wired until it was charged up again .
Thing still had a scroll/tilt wheel and 7 buttons .
To be honest though you might just take a look at trackballs , I know they are n't as popular as they used to be but I like using them when I code mainly because my desk becomes covered with paper trash , empty chips bags , and cans of beer in short order and I run out of room for the mouse to move around in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/130&amp;cl=US,EN [logitech.com]
does everything you could ask it, tons of buttons, takes a bit of time to set up but you don't HAVE to customize all the buttons to do what you want.
Little on the pricey side but the battery lasts for days and it comes with its own charger.
The only drawback is not all of the buttons can be programmed to be used as generic buttons.
I don't remember who made it but one of the guys I went to college with had himself a mouse where a simple usb cord acted as the charger cord and the mouse could be used while it was charging.
In essence the mouse was wireless unless the battery ran out, then it was just wired until it was charged up again.
Thing still had a scroll/tilt wheel and 7 buttons.
To be honest though you might just take a look at trackballs, I know they aren't as popular as they used to be but I like using them when I code mainly because my desk becomes covered with paper trash, empty chips bags, and cans of beer in short order and I run out of room for the mouse to move around in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642721</id>
	<title>Touch Point</title>
	<author>PleaseFearMe</author>
	<datestamp>1247135760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Thinkpad X61's touch point is perfect.  It's in the middle of the keyboard, so there is minimal hand movement to move the mouse when typing.  It moves much better than the touchpad because you don't need to reload once you reach the edge of the sensitive location.  It also takes up very little room, so it works on the plane, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Thinkpad X61 's touch point is perfect .
It 's in the middle of the keyboard , so there is minimal hand movement to move the mouse when typing .
It moves much better than the touchpad because you do n't need to reload once you reach the edge of the sensitive location .
It also takes up very little room , so it works on the plane , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Thinkpad X61's touch point is perfect.
It's in the middle of the keyboard, so there is minimal hand movement to move the mouse when typing.
It moves much better than the touchpad because you don't need to reload once you reach the edge of the sensitive location.
It also takes up very little room, so it works on the plane, etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642359</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644125</id>
	<title>Trackball</title>
	<author>quesarah</author>
	<datestamp>1247142300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Kensington "expert" trackball.  <a href="http://us.kensington.com/html/2200.html" title="kensington.com" rel="nofollow">Here</a> [kensington.com]

Big and sturdy, stays in one place so you can whack the scroll ring or paste button without looking. Most of the time my hands are on the keyboard, and when they're not I don't want to go mouse hunting.  Not cheap, but TANSTAAFL.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Kensington " expert " trackball .
Here [ kensington.com ] Big and sturdy , stays in one place so you can whack the scroll ring or paste button without looking .
Most of the time my hands are on the keyboard , and when they 're not I do n't want to go mouse hunting .
Not cheap , but TANSTAAFL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Kensington "expert" trackball.
Here [kensington.com]

Big and sturdy, stays in one place so you can whack the scroll ring or paste button without looking.
Most of the time my hands are on the keyboard, and when they're not I don't want to go mouse hunting.
Not cheap, but TANSTAAFL.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643537</id>
	<title>Re:Suggestions</title>
	<author>Facegarden</author>
	<datestamp>1247139180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>First of all, I'd suggest not wireless if you are worried about it 'moving' around with you not looking. Almost any wireless mouse I've used does that sometimes, with the exception of Gyration. (Microsoft, Logitech, and several off brands)...</p></div><p>Maybe you should try a new mouse... I haven't had that happen to me in years, and that was a $10 mouse. If you spend more than $30 on a mouse it probably won't do that. I use wireless logitech laser mouses as my device of choice at both home and work, and they work great. I do a lot of CAD work so I use the mouse a lot, so quality matters, but I never see that drifting they used to do.<br>-Taylor</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , I 'd suggest not wireless if you are worried about it 'moving ' around with you not looking .
Almost any wireless mouse I 've used does that sometimes , with the exception of Gyration .
( Microsoft , Logitech , and several off brands ) ...Maybe you should try a new mouse... I have n't had that happen to me in years , and that was a $ 10 mouse .
If you spend more than $ 30 on a mouse it probably wo n't do that .
I use wireless logitech laser mouses as my device of choice at both home and work , and they work great .
I do a lot of CAD work so I use the mouse a lot , so quality matters , but I never see that drifting they used to do.-Taylor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, I'd suggest not wireless if you are worried about it 'moving' around with you not looking.
Almost any wireless mouse I've used does that sometimes, with the exception of Gyration.
(Microsoft, Logitech, and several off brands)...Maybe you should try a new mouse... I haven't had that happen to me in years, and that was a $10 mouse.
If you spend more than $30 on a mouse it probably won't do that.
I use wireless logitech laser mouses as my device of choice at both home and work, and they work great.
I do a lot of CAD work so I use the mouse a lot, so quality matters, but I never see that drifting they used to do.-Taylor
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645547</id>
	<title>Old School!</title>
	<author>JambisJubilee</author>
	<datestamp>1247153520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been using the <a href="http://www.mousetrak.com/products/professional/pro.html" title="mousetrak.com">Mouse-Trak Professional </a> [mousetrak.com] for over ten years, daily use (coding and gaming).  It looks awesome, it feels awesome, it IS awesome.  I think they even make one with a USB interface nowadays.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using the Mouse-Trak Professional [ mousetrak.com ] for over ten years , daily use ( coding and gaming ) .
It looks awesome , it feels awesome , it IS awesome .
I think they even make one with a USB interface nowadays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using the Mouse-Trak Professional  [mousetrak.com] for over ten years, daily use (coding and gaming).
It looks awesome, it feels awesome, it IS awesome.
I think they even make one with a USB interface nowadays.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645671</id>
	<title>Use a trackball + Mouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247154600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what I do, I have both a Marble Trackball from Logitech and a Logitech mouse.  Each has strengths and weaknesses..  The trackball lets me do most day to day activities without mouse fatigue and the mouse lets me use photoshop without going insane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I do , I have both a Marble Trackball from Logitech and a Logitech mouse .
Each has strengths and weaknesses.. The trackball lets me do most day to day activities without mouse fatigue and the mouse lets me use photoshop without going insane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I do, I have both a Marble Trackball from Logitech and a Logitech mouse.
Each has strengths and weaknesses..  The trackball lets me do most day to day activities without mouse fatigue and the mouse lets me use photoshop without going insane.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643433</id>
	<title>MOUSE for PROGRAMMING?</title>
	<author>paxcoder</author>
	<datestamp>1247138700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just want to say: WTH.
Slashdot, really.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just want to say : WTH .
Slashdot , really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just want to say: WTH.
Slashdot, really.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644907</id>
	<title>Re:IBM Trackpoint</title>
	<author>Macman408</author>
	<datestamp>1247147880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ew, I hate the keyboard clitoris. I'm all for keeping my hands on the keyboard as much as possible - I just learn all the keyboard shortcuts. Especially ones for moving the insertion point. And any time I'm on an OS that's not my usual one, it really frustrates me to have to adjust to the differences (like whether skipping forward or backward one word will stop before or after the space, for example).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ew , I hate the keyboard clitoris .
I 'm all for keeping my hands on the keyboard as much as possible - I just learn all the keyboard shortcuts .
Especially ones for moving the insertion point .
And any time I 'm on an OS that 's not my usual one , it really frustrates me to have to adjust to the differences ( like whether skipping forward or backward one word will stop before or after the space , for example ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ew, I hate the keyboard clitoris.
I'm all for keeping my hands on the keyboard as much as possible - I just learn all the keyboard shortcuts.
Especially ones for moving the insertion point.
And any time I'm on an OS that's not my usual one, it really frustrates me to have to adjust to the differences (like whether skipping forward or backward one word will stop before or after the space, for example).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642521</id>
	<title>At the risk of being modded into oblivion...</title>
	<author>jockeys</author>
	<datestamp>1247135040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/2987&amp;cl=us,en" title="logitech.com">http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/2987&amp;cl=us,en</a> [logitech.com]
<br>
the mouse I use for programming is an older variant of this one.  I've been quite happy with it.  scroll wheel has nice feedback for flipping thru code, it's heavy and has a nice solid feel.
<br> <br>
I am in no way affiliated with logitech, I just like their stuff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice \ _pointers/mice/devices/2987&amp;cl = us,en [ logitech.com ] the mouse I use for programming is an older variant of this one .
I 've been quite happy with it .
scroll wheel has nice feedback for flipping thru code , it 's heavy and has a nice solid feel .
I am in no way affiliated with logitech , I just like their stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/2987&amp;cl=us,en [logitech.com]

the mouse I use for programming is an older variant of this one.
I've been quite happy with it.
scroll wheel has nice feedback for flipping thru code, it's heavy and has a nice solid feel.
I am in no way affiliated with logitech, I just like their stuff.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648491</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>deadkennedy</author>
	<datestamp>1247235000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree.  The mouse is more efficient for certain tasks such as text selection and manipulation.  Given that this is in the context of a programming environment, any plain old mouse with two buttons will suffice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
The mouse is more efficient for certain tasks such as text selection and manipulation .
Given that this is in the context of a programming environment , any plain old mouse with two buttons will suffice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
The mouse is more efficient for certain tasks such as text selection and manipulation.
Given that this is in the context of a programming environment, any plain old mouse with two buttons will suffice.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642509</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28665645</id>
	<title>The best mouse is no mouse at all</title>
	<author>George Wang</author>
	<datestamp>1247338500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best mouse is no mouse at all, and use as many keyboard shortcuts as possible. If you are a GNU/Linux user, that won't be of much problem, since the only cases when you have to use mouse are with using a web browser, or transitioning between applications. If you are a Windows user, you may simply activate the "Mouse Key" to mandate most of short-range mouse work to your keyboard numeric pad. In addition, Windows has much better GUI keyboard support in Vista, and it may reflect that Microsoft sees the needs from advanced users and programmers.

Although having a Logitech cordless mouse at moment, I have my hands on keyboard for some 70 percent of all my time. I use both Windows Vista and Ubuntu (in a VM). It is so cool to finish most of tasks via a keyboard while others around you are moving their hands and pointing like a fly.

Andrew S. Tanenbaum (author of MINUX, which in turn Linux derives from) wrote on his homepage that "Mom told me that it is impolite to point others".</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best mouse is no mouse at all , and use as many keyboard shortcuts as possible .
If you are a GNU/Linux user , that wo n't be of much problem , since the only cases when you have to use mouse are with using a web browser , or transitioning between applications .
If you are a Windows user , you may simply activate the " Mouse Key " to mandate most of short-range mouse work to your keyboard numeric pad .
In addition , Windows has much better GUI keyboard support in Vista , and it may reflect that Microsoft sees the needs from advanced users and programmers .
Although having a Logitech cordless mouse at moment , I have my hands on keyboard for some 70 percent of all my time .
I use both Windows Vista and Ubuntu ( in a VM ) .
It is so cool to finish most of tasks via a keyboard while others around you are moving their hands and pointing like a fly .
Andrew S. Tanenbaum ( author of MINUX , which in turn Linux derives from ) wrote on his homepage that " Mom told me that it is impolite to point others " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best mouse is no mouse at all, and use as many keyboard shortcuts as possible.
If you are a GNU/Linux user, that won't be of much problem, since the only cases when you have to use mouse are with using a web browser, or transitioning between applications.
If you are a Windows user, you may simply activate the "Mouse Key" to mandate most of short-range mouse work to your keyboard numeric pad.
In addition, Windows has much better GUI keyboard support in Vista, and it may reflect that Microsoft sees the needs from advanced users and programmers.
Although having a Logitech cordless mouse at moment, I have my hands on keyboard for some 70 percent of all my time.
I use both Windows Vista and Ubuntu (in a VM).
It is so cool to finish most of tasks via a keyboard while others around you are moving their hands and pointing like a fly.
Andrew S. Tanenbaum (author of MINUX, which in turn Linux derives from) wrote on his homepage that "Mom told me that it is impolite to point others".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647031</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech Trackman Marble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247218440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Point.<br>If you're left-handed (left-moused?) or ambidexterous (ambimouserous?) Logitech Marble Mouse is the tool for you, even if it has few customization options.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Point.If you 're left-handed ( left-moused ?
) or ambidexterous ( ambimouserous ?
) Logitech Marble Mouse is the tool for you , even if it has few customization options .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Point.If you're left-handed (left-moused?
) or ambidexterous (ambimouserous?
) Logitech Marble Mouse is the tool for you, even if it has few customization options.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648119</id>
	<title>Kensington expert mouse</title>
	<author>Moe Taxes</author>
	<datestamp>1247232540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not a mouse really it's a trackball, and it's not wireless, but it is the best pointing device I've used for programming.</p><p>I like to keep my eyes on the code, and I use vim so I don't reach for the mouse a lot, but when I do I want to find it in the same place on my workstation every time. That's the best thing about a trackball, they don't move, the wires don't move and don't get snagged or tangled so who needs to mess with batteries or recharging. Give that ball a flick and the pointer scoots across the screen, so much better than doing push, lift, pull, drop circles with my poor old wrists.</p><p>Long time ago when I worked on Windows I used all four big buttons programmed for click, double click, hold down, and left click. Now I work in KDE, use the mouse much less, and  almost never double click.</p><p>If you can find one get the old Expert Mouse. The new Expert Mouse Pro has extra buttons and a wheel and has suffered much cost reduction, it's is cheap crap compared to the original.</p><p>An important thing to remember, mice are for poking and hoping, exploring programs you have not seen before, when you know what you are doing working with a mouse versus a keyboard is like pointing and grunting versus fluent conversation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not a mouse really it 's a trackball , and it 's not wireless , but it is the best pointing device I 've used for programming.I like to keep my eyes on the code , and I use vim so I do n't reach for the mouse a lot , but when I do I want to find it in the same place on my workstation every time .
That 's the best thing about a trackball , they do n't move , the wires do n't move and do n't get snagged or tangled so who needs to mess with batteries or recharging .
Give that ball a flick and the pointer scoots across the screen , so much better than doing push , lift , pull , drop circles with my poor old wrists.Long time ago when I worked on Windows I used all four big buttons programmed for click , double click , hold down , and left click .
Now I work in KDE , use the mouse much less , and almost never double click.If you can find one get the old Expert Mouse .
The new Expert Mouse Pro has extra buttons and a wheel and has suffered much cost reduction , it 's is cheap crap compared to the original.An important thing to remember , mice are for poking and hoping , exploring programs you have not seen before , when you know what you are doing working with a mouse versus a keyboard is like pointing and grunting versus fluent conversation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not a mouse really it's a trackball, and it's not wireless, but it is the best pointing device I've used for programming.I like to keep my eyes on the code, and I use vim so I don't reach for the mouse a lot, but when I do I want to find it in the same place on my workstation every time.
That's the best thing about a trackball, they don't move, the wires don't move and don't get snagged or tangled so who needs to mess with batteries or recharging.
Give that ball a flick and the pointer scoots across the screen, so much better than doing push, lift, pull, drop circles with my poor old wrists.Long time ago when I worked on Windows I used all four big buttons programmed for click, double click, hold down, and left click.
Now I work in KDE, use the mouse much less, and  almost never double click.If you can find one get the old Expert Mouse.
The new Expert Mouse Pro has extra buttons and a wheel and has suffered much cost reduction, it's is cheap crap compared to the original.An important thing to remember, mice are for poking and hoping, exploring programs you have not seen before, when you know what you are doing working with a mouse versus a keyboard is like pointing and grunting versus fluent conversation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645479</id>
	<title>Trackball?</title>
	<author>guruevi</author>
	<datestamp>1247152860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use a trackball myself. While coding I practically only use it while scrolling. It's easy on the hands, it doesn't move around (and during long programming and terminal sessions you might actually forget where you left the mouse) and you can program your mouse that for example if you click both left and right at the same time that you want your balls to do the scrolling - in any direction.</p><p>I currently have a Logitech TrackMan Wheel (cordless version exists) and a TrackMan Marble.</p><p>If you want a classic mouse I would suggest the Apple Mighty Mouse: it has a trackball in the middle that you can use for scrolling - in any direction.</p><p>There are also keyboards that have trackballs built in but I don't like them. The ball is in the wrong position, is too small and/or is mechanical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a trackball myself .
While coding I practically only use it while scrolling .
It 's easy on the hands , it does n't move around ( and during long programming and terminal sessions you might actually forget where you left the mouse ) and you can program your mouse that for example if you click both left and right at the same time that you want your balls to do the scrolling - in any direction.I currently have a Logitech TrackMan Wheel ( cordless version exists ) and a TrackMan Marble.If you want a classic mouse I would suggest the Apple Mighty Mouse : it has a trackball in the middle that you can use for scrolling - in any direction.There are also keyboards that have trackballs built in but I do n't like them .
The ball is in the wrong position , is too small and/or is mechanical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a trackball myself.
While coding I practically only use it while scrolling.
It's easy on the hands, it doesn't move around (and during long programming and terminal sessions you might actually forget where you left the mouse) and you can program your mouse that for example if you click both left and right at the same time that you want your balls to do the scrolling - in any direction.I currently have a Logitech TrackMan Wheel (cordless version exists) and a TrackMan Marble.If you want a classic mouse I would suggest the Apple Mighty Mouse: it has a trackball in the middle that you can use for scrolling - in any direction.There are also keyboards that have trackballs built in but I don't like them.
The ball is in the wrong position, is too small and/or is mechanical.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28650907</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX1100</title>
	<author>T.E.D.</author>
	<datestamp>1247245020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...unless you mouse left-handed, in which case it's an awkward monstrosity.

</p><p>I generally have to stay away from high-end mice. The only things I really need in a mouse is that it not be hand-biased, and that it be a corded laser mouse. Nothing is more frustrating than trying to select one specific spot, only to repeatedly fail because of a flaw in the ball or mousepad, or grit on the mouseball rollers, or some kind of interference/battery problem with the transmitter.

</p><p>Laser mice still can get issues with small objects like hairs stuck in front of the sensor. Keeping a pair of tweezers handy takes care of that fairly quickly and thouroughly though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...unless you mouse left-handed , in which case it 's an awkward monstrosity .
I generally have to stay away from high-end mice .
The only things I really need in a mouse is that it not be hand-biased , and that it be a corded laser mouse .
Nothing is more frustrating than trying to select one specific spot , only to repeatedly fail because of a flaw in the ball or mousepad , or grit on the mouseball rollers , or some kind of interference/battery problem with the transmitter .
Laser mice still can get issues with small objects like hairs stuck in front of the sensor .
Keeping a pair of tweezers handy takes care of that fairly quickly and thouroughly though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...unless you mouse left-handed, in which case it's an awkward monstrosity.
I generally have to stay away from high-end mice.
The only things I really need in a mouse is that it not be hand-biased, and that it be a corded laser mouse.
Nothing is more frustrating than trying to select one specific spot, only to repeatedly fail because of a flaw in the ball or mousepad, or grit on the mouseball rollers, or some kind of interference/battery problem with the transmitter.
Laser mice still can get issues with small objects like hairs stuck in front of the sensor.
Keeping a pair of tweezers handy takes care of that fairly quickly and thouroughly though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643765</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247140200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft 8000<br>You can also use it left or right handed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft 8000You can also use it left or right handed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft 8000You can also use it left or right handed</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647793</id>
	<title>Gestures not buttons</title>
	<author>purplie</author>
	<datestamp>1247229360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm happy with 2 buttons and a gesture utility (<a href="http://www.tcbmi.com/strokeit/" title="tcbmi.com" rel="nofollow">StrokeIt</a> [tcbmi.com] for Windows, <a href="http://alum.hampshire.edu/~bjk02/xGestures/" title="hampshire.edu" rel="nofollow">xGestures</a> [hampshire.edu] for Mac OS X) especially when combined with a macro utility (QuicKeys for Mac OS X).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm happy with 2 buttons and a gesture utility ( StrokeIt [ tcbmi.com ] for Windows , xGestures [ hampshire.edu ] for Mac OS X ) especially when combined with a macro utility ( QuicKeys for Mac OS X ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm happy with 2 buttons and a gesture utility (StrokeIt [tcbmi.com] for Windows, xGestures [hampshire.edu] for Mac OS X) especially when combined with a macro utility (QuicKeys for Mac OS X).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28649447</id>
	<title>Mouse is the wrong tool</title>
	<author>skeeto</author>
	<datestamp>1247239380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't stand the lag on wireless mice, so I never touch them if I can avoid it.</p><p>But anyway, if you are using a mouse for development you are probably doing it wrong. Keep your hands on the keyboard as much as possible. Learn how to do everything from the keyboard. Reaching for the mouse is a cache miss, and it is going to be at least an order of magnitude slower than performing the same action with keyboard shortcuts. Really, it's true. If you have a local Emacs or vi guru, watch him/her and see how fast they go. The editor becomes and extension of the body, kind of like driving a car.</p><p>Unfortunately, a lot of IDEs have very fundamental flaws requiring the mouse, or discouraging the keyboard. One of the best, and most common examples of this is the search dialog box. If and editor brings up a new little window for search, rather than an integrated one, find a new editor because that one is crap. It's slow, meaning you can't hit ctrl+f or whatever and immediately type your search in because there is a delay. It also has focus issues. And it probably doesn't search incrementally either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't stand the lag on wireless mice , so I never touch them if I can avoid it.But anyway , if you are using a mouse for development you are probably doing it wrong .
Keep your hands on the keyboard as much as possible .
Learn how to do everything from the keyboard .
Reaching for the mouse is a cache miss , and it is going to be at least an order of magnitude slower than performing the same action with keyboard shortcuts .
Really , it 's true .
If you have a local Emacs or vi guru , watch him/her and see how fast they go .
The editor becomes and extension of the body , kind of like driving a car.Unfortunately , a lot of IDEs have very fundamental flaws requiring the mouse , or discouraging the keyboard .
One of the best , and most common examples of this is the search dialog box .
If and editor brings up a new little window for search , rather than an integrated one , find a new editor because that one is crap .
It 's slow , meaning you ca n't hit ctrl + f or whatever and immediately type your search in because there is a delay .
It also has focus issues .
And it probably does n't search incrementally either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't stand the lag on wireless mice, so I never touch them if I can avoid it.But anyway, if you are using a mouse for development you are probably doing it wrong.
Keep your hands on the keyboard as much as possible.
Learn how to do everything from the keyboard.
Reaching for the mouse is a cache miss, and it is going to be at least an order of magnitude slower than performing the same action with keyboard shortcuts.
Really, it's true.
If you have a local Emacs or vi guru, watch him/her and see how fast they go.
The editor becomes and extension of the body, kind of like driving a car.Unfortunately, a lot of IDEs have very fundamental flaws requiring the mouse, or discouraging the keyboard.
One of the best, and most common examples of this is the search dialog box.
If and editor brings up a new little window for search, rather than an integrated one, find a new editor because that one is crap.
It's slow, meaning you can't hit ctrl+f or whatever and immediately type your search in because there is a delay.
It also has focus issues.
And it probably doesn't search incrementally either.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647041</id>
	<title>Integrated touchpad</title>
	<author>hkultala</author>
	<datestamp>1247218500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When programming, I'm mostly using the keyboard. So the most important feature for mouse is that it's very fast to switch between mouse and a keyboard. The integrated touchpad of my laptop wins any external mouse on this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When programming , I 'm mostly using the keyboard .
So the most important feature for mouse is that it 's very fast to switch between mouse and a keyboard .
The integrated touchpad of my laptop wins any external mouse on this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When programming, I'm mostly using the keyboard.
So the most important feature for mouse is that it's very fast to switch between mouse and a keyboard.
The integrated touchpad of my laptop wins any external mouse on this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28655695</id>
	<title>Microsoft 8000</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247225760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can be used left or right handed<br>bluetooth, battery lasts for days<br>lots of buttons that can be programed<br>moderate weight, doesn't move if you look at it</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can be used left or right handedbluetooth , battery lasts for dayslots of buttons that can be programedmoderate weight , does n't move if you look at it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can be used left or right handedbluetooth, battery lasts for dayslots of buttons that can be programedmoderate weight, doesn't move if you look at it</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642831</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>rm999</author>
	<datestamp>1247136180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use the mouse at all"</p><p>Programming is 90\% thinking/planning, and 10\% typing. The idea that using a mouse makes you a worse programmer in any appreciable sense is about as stupid as the idea that the mouse you use matters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Elite programmers should be using an environment where they do n't have to use the mouse at all " Programming is 90 \ % thinking/planning , and 10 \ % typing .
The idea that using a mouse makes you a worse programmer in any appreciable sense is about as stupid as the idea that the mouse you use matters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use the mouse at all"Programming is 90\% thinking/planning, and 10\% typing.
The idea that using a mouse makes you a worse programmer in any appreciable sense is about as stupid as the idea that the mouse you use matters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642393</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28653771</id>
	<title>I think you're looking for the wrong mouse.</title>
	<author>NickW1234</author>
	<datestamp>1247257440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any geeky wireless mouse should meet the criteria you're looking for.  Logitech MX1000 off the top of my head.  I bought one once.  Used it for a whole 40 minutes before I returned it to the store.
<p>
Favourite mouse I've ever used: Razer Diamondback.
</p><p>
It's exactly the opposite of everything you think you need, but probably difficult to find anything better.
</p><p>
Light, well balanced, has a nice thin cord, so you don't notice it's there, but still don't have to deal with wireless lag/dead batteries.
</p><p>
Stay away from the lachesis though.  I got one of those, and it's junk compared to my old Diamondback.  Tracking issues, and problems with the wheel/centre button.  Twice the $, and I'd trade it for another diamondback any day.
</p><p>
Also, don't overlook the importance of a good keyboard.  It'll make way more difference than your mouse.
My favourite cheap(ish) board is the fujitsu 4725 (or 4726, etc.).  If you're willing to spend the $, something with cherry microswitches is best.  one of the Das Keyboards, or if you like to code in the dark, Deck legend.  I have one of those and it's great.  Unfortunately they only have the red with linear keys.. It's easiest on the eyes in the dark, unlike the overrated retina scorching fugly blue that's so popular lately.  I'd like to get another one with the tactile keys, but I've either gotta wait until they have them in red or green, or I'm going to have to transplant the diodes myself (btw, they have the schematic for download, and don't void your warranty if your mods are competent)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any geeky wireless mouse should meet the criteria you 're looking for .
Logitech MX1000 off the top of my head .
I bought one once .
Used it for a whole 40 minutes before I returned it to the store .
Favourite mouse I 've ever used : Razer Diamondback .
It 's exactly the opposite of everything you think you need , but probably difficult to find anything better .
Light , well balanced , has a nice thin cord , so you do n't notice it 's there , but still do n't have to deal with wireless lag/dead batteries .
Stay away from the lachesis though .
I got one of those , and it 's junk compared to my old Diamondback .
Tracking issues , and problems with the wheel/centre button .
Twice the $ , and I 'd trade it for another diamondback any day .
Also , do n't overlook the importance of a good keyboard .
It 'll make way more difference than your mouse .
My favourite cheap ( ish ) board is the fujitsu 4725 ( or 4726 , etc. ) .
If you 're willing to spend the $ , something with cherry microswitches is best .
one of the Das Keyboards , or if you like to code in the dark , Deck legend .
I have one of those and it 's great .
Unfortunately they only have the red with linear keys.. It 's easiest on the eyes in the dark , unlike the overrated retina scorching fugly blue that 's so popular lately .
I 'd like to get another one with the tactile keys , but I 've either got ta wait until they have them in red or green , or I 'm going to have to transplant the diodes myself ( btw , they have the schematic for download , and do n't void your warranty if your mods are competent )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any geeky wireless mouse should meet the criteria you're looking for.
Logitech MX1000 off the top of my head.
I bought one once.
Used it for a whole 40 minutes before I returned it to the store.
Favourite mouse I've ever used: Razer Diamondback.
It's exactly the opposite of everything you think you need, but probably difficult to find anything better.
Light, well balanced, has a nice thin cord, so you don't notice it's there, but still don't have to deal with wireless lag/dead batteries.
Stay away from the lachesis though.
I got one of those, and it's junk compared to my old Diamondback.
Tracking issues, and problems with the wheel/centre button.
Twice the $, and I'd trade it for another diamondback any day.
Also, don't overlook the importance of a good keyboard.
It'll make way more difference than your mouse.
My favourite cheap(ish) board is the fujitsu 4725 (or 4726, etc.).
If you're willing to spend the $, something with cherry microswitches is best.
one of the Das Keyboards, or if you like to code in the dark, Deck legend.
I have one of those and it's great.
Unfortunately they only have the red with linear keys.. It's easiest on the eyes in the dark, unlike the overrated retina scorching fugly blue that's so popular lately.
I'd like to get another one with the tactile keys, but I've either gotta wait until they have them in red or green, or I'm going to have to transplant the diodes myself (btw, they have the schematic for download, and don't void your warranty if your mods are competent)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28657585</id>
	<title>Any mouse with free-scroll mode</title>
	<author>ecloud</author>
	<datestamp>1247244960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just love that feature on my Logitech Revolution: you give the wheel a spin and zzzooom down the page.  But that one uses a proprietary dongle, which sucks.  Finally, finally (!) they released a Bluetooth mouse with "hyper-fast" scrollwheel: the m555b.  I just ordered one on ebay today (they aren't showing up in stores just yet).  We'll see how it turns out.</p><p>Of course you also need a middle mouse button.  With the Revolution you can use the wheel (as with most mice), only if you have remapped the action to toggle between free-scroll mode and click-to-click (the mode I never use anymore) to some other button.  (If you succeed in changing the mapping to toggle modes, the mouse remembers, so you only need to do it once.)  But the wheel is harder to press than most mice.  The m555b though appears to have a real middle button, so I will find out when I get it whether it acts like a normal middle button on Linux.</p><p>There is also a corded cheap USB version, the RX1500, so I got one of those for work, too.  Again, we'll see about the middle button...</p><p>My previous choice has been the Evoluent vertical mouse.  At least it has 4 buttons plus the wheel, and it's very comfortable and ergonomic, and the wheel click is kindof loose and easy, but it's not free-scrolling.  The one I have at home is getting worn out (keeps dropping off the USB bus randomly) and the one at work doesn't get along with the slick desk surface that I have now, since it's not a laser mouse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just love that feature on my Logitech Revolution : you give the wheel a spin and zzzooom down the page .
But that one uses a proprietary dongle , which sucks .
Finally , finally ( !
) they released a Bluetooth mouse with " hyper-fast " scrollwheel : the m555b .
I just ordered one on ebay today ( they are n't showing up in stores just yet ) .
We 'll see how it turns out.Of course you also need a middle mouse button .
With the Revolution you can use the wheel ( as with most mice ) , only if you have remapped the action to toggle between free-scroll mode and click-to-click ( the mode I never use anymore ) to some other button .
( If you succeed in changing the mapping to toggle modes , the mouse remembers , so you only need to do it once .
) But the wheel is harder to press than most mice .
The m555b though appears to have a real middle button , so I will find out when I get it whether it acts like a normal middle button on Linux.There is also a corded cheap USB version , the RX1500 , so I got one of those for work , too .
Again , we 'll see about the middle button...My previous choice has been the Evoluent vertical mouse .
At least it has 4 buttons plus the wheel , and it 's very comfortable and ergonomic , and the wheel click is kindof loose and easy , but it 's not free-scrolling .
The one I have at home is getting worn out ( keeps dropping off the USB bus randomly ) and the one at work does n't get along with the slick desk surface that I have now , since it 's not a laser mouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just love that feature on my Logitech Revolution: you give the wheel a spin and zzzooom down the page.
But that one uses a proprietary dongle, which sucks.
Finally, finally (!
) they released a Bluetooth mouse with "hyper-fast" scrollwheel: the m555b.
I just ordered one on ebay today (they aren't showing up in stores just yet).
We'll see how it turns out.Of course you also need a middle mouse button.
With the Revolution you can use the wheel (as with most mice), only if you have remapped the action to toggle between free-scroll mode and click-to-click (the mode I never use anymore) to some other button.
(If you succeed in changing the mapping to toggle modes, the mouse remembers, so you only need to do it once.
)  But the wheel is harder to press than most mice.
The m555b though appears to have a real middle button, so I will find out when I get it whether it acts like a normal middle button on Linux.There is also a corded cheap USB version, the RX1500, so I got one of those for work, too.
Again, we'll see about the middle button...My previous choice has been the Evoluent vertical mouse.
At least it has 4 buttons plus the wheel, and it's very comfortable and ergonomic, and the wheel click is kindof loose and easy, but it's not free-scrolling.
The one I have at home is getting worn out (keeps dropping off the USB bus randomly) and the one at work doesn't get along with the slick desk surface that I have now, since it's not a laser mouse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642779</id>
	<title>The real question is....</title>
	<author>Fatalv</author>
	<datestamp>1247135940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real question is... What's the best type of chick to give a blow job so you can crack ssl encryption faster when you have a gun pointed at your head?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real question is... What 's the best type of chick to give a blow job so you can crack ssl encryption faster when you have a gun pointed at your head ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real question is... What's the best type of chick to give a blow job so you can crack ssl encryption faster when you have a gun pointed at your head?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28653419</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX1100</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247255940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Plus that endless scroll feature is perfect for grokking long walls of code.</p></div><p>"I don't even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, red-head."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plus that endless scroll feature is perfect for grokking long walls of code .
" I do n't even see the code .
All I see is blonde , brunette , red-head .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus that endless scroll feature is perfect for grokking long walls of code.
"I don't even see the code.
All I see is blonde, brunette, red-head.
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642443</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645249</id>
	<title>unimportant</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1247150760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>a mouse that works and has a scroll wheel is about the only requirement for programmers.</p><p>Now if you find yourself editing images in Photoshop or GIMP for your programs, a mouse with a tilt-wheel can be really handy for moving around in zoomed in fat-bits mode to review your graphics or touch up pixels.</p><p>But generally I think a keyboard is the tool that programmers must be particular about. Generally the less you use a mouse the more programming you may be doing. Programmers love obscure hot keys for common actions, and will spend the time to build up muscle memory with their important tools. A mouse is for selecting stuff (you shouldn't be cutting and pasting too much, that's not code re-use), and you may find that you perform a dozen or so regular tasks that can be done through hotkeys in your IDE or editor.</p><p>(note: I use nvi, zsh, gdb, cscope, doxygen and make for my development environment. my opinions are not likely mainstream.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a mouse that works and has a scroll wheel is about the only requirement for programmers.Now if you find yourself editing images in Photoshop or GIMP for your programs , a mouse with a tilt-wheel can be really handy for moving around in zoomed in fat-bits mode to review your graphics or touch up pixels.But generally I think a keyboard is the tool that programmers must be particular about .
Generally the less you use a mouse the more programming you may be doing .
Programmers love obscure hot keys for common actions , and will spend the time to build up muscle memory with their important tools .
A mouse is for selecting stuff ( you should n't be cutting and pasting too much , that 's not code re-use ) , and you may find that you perform a dozen or so regular tasks that can be done through hotkeys in your IDE or editor .
( note : I use nvi , zsh , gdb , cscope , doxygen and make for my development environment .
my opinions are not likely mainstream .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a mouse that works and has a scroll wheel is about the only requirement for programmers.Now if you find yourself editing images in Photoshop or GIMP for your programs, a mouse with a tilt-wheel can be really handy for moving around in zoomed in fat-bits mode to review your graphics or touch up pixels.But generally I think a keyboard is the tool that programmers must be particular about.
Generally the less you use a mouse the more programming you may be doing.
Programmers love obscure hot keys for common actions, and will spend the time to build up muscle memory with their important tools.
A mouse is for selecting stuff (you shouldn't be cutting and pasting too much, that's not code re-use), and you may find that you perform a dozen or so regular tasks that can be done through hotkeys in your IDE or editor.
(note: I use nvi, zsh, gdb, cscope, doxygen and make for my development environment.
my opinions are not likely mainstream.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648261</id>
	<title>Short answer:</title>
	<author>Narcocide</author>
	<datestamp>1247233500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you need a mouse you're doing it wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you need a mouse you 're doing it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you need a mouse you're doing it wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642645</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Real Programmers are recognized by their "smart laziness".<br>Whatever saves "trouble", gets the nod.<br>Experience defines exactly what "trouble" means (short and longterm tradeoffs).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Real Programmers are recognized by their " smart laziness " .Whatever saves " trouble " , gets the nod.Experience defines exactly what " trouble " means ( short and longterm tradeoffs ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real Programmers are recognized by their "smart laziness".Whatever saves "trouble", gets the nod.Experience defines exactly what "trouble" means (short and longterm tradeoffs).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642437</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645097</id>
	<title>Re:Why a mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247149440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't get me wrong, I love vim, but in modern IDEs a lot of things are easier to do through context menus, dialogs and palettes than keystroke combinations or just outright typing the code. What would be nice is a text input where the programmer could type command strings with most of the IDE's functionality exposed.</p><p>For example, ":rename someMethod(String) newName" to rename a method in the current class and all calls to it or ":refactor convert-to-interface interfaceName implementationName" to split the current class into an interface, substituting its usage in declarations, return types and instantiations with the appropriate new name.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't get me wrong , I love vim , but in modern IDEs a lot of things are easier to do through context menus , dialogs and palettes than keystroke combinations or just outright typing the code .
What would be nice is a text input where the programmer could type command strings with most of the IDE 's functionality exposed.For example , " : rename someMethod ( String ) newName " to rename a method in the current class and all calls to it or " : refactor convert-to-interface interfaceName implementationName " to split the current class into an interface , substituting its usage in declarations , return types and instantiations with the appropriate new name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't get me wrong, I love vim, but in modern IDEs a lot of things are easier to do through context menus, dialogs and palettes than keystroke combinations or just outright typing the code.
What would be nice is a text input where the programmer could type command strings with most of the IDE's functionality exposed.For example, ":rename someMethod(String) newName" to rename a method in the current class and all calls to it or ":refactor convert-to-interface interfaceName implementationName" to split the current class into an interface, substituting its usage in declarations, return types and instantiations with the appropriate new name.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645403</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247152080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Back them I used punch cards.</i> </p><p>I am in agreement here. They were a great improvement over punch rocks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back them I used punch cards .
I am in agreement here .
They were a great improvement over punch rocks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back them I used punch cards.
I am in agreement here.
They were a great improvement over punch rocks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642559</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645083</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>Waste55</author>
	<datestamp>1247149260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I shared your view on wireless until I got a Logitech VX nano. Uses two AAA batteries and I replace them maybe twice a year, while never turning it off either.  Its for notebooks really, but I just dock my laptop and can use the mouse comfortably setting at my desk. I actually prefer it now to my big ol' MX series gaming mouse.
<br> <br>
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Cordless-Laser-Mouse-Notebooks/dp/B000TKHBDK/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=electronics&amp;qid=1247188712&amp;sr=8-1" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Cordless-Laser-Mouse-Notebooks/dp/B000TKHBDK/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=electronics&amp;qid=1247188712&amp;sr=8-1</a> [amazon.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I shared your view on wireless until I got a Logitech VX nano .
Uses two AAA batteries and I replace them maybe twice a year , while never turning it off either .
Its for notebooks really , but I just dock my laptop and can use the mouse comfortably setting at my desk .
I actually prefer it now to my big ol ' MX series gaming mouse .
http : //www.amazon.com/Logitech-Cordless-Laser-Mouse-Notebooks/dp/B000TKHBDK/ref = sr \ _1 \ _1 ? ie = UTF8&amp;s = electronics&amp;qid = 1247188712&amp;sr = 8-1 [ amazon.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I shared your view on wireless until I got a Logitech VX nano.
Uses two AAA batteries and I replace them maybe twice a year, while never turning it off either.
Its for notebooks really, but I just dock my laptop and can use the mouse comfortably setting at my desk.
I actually prefer it now to my big ol' MX series gaming mouse.
http://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Cordless-Laser-Mouse-Notebooks/dp/B000TKHBDK/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=electronics&amp;qid=1247188712&amp;sr=8-1 [amazon.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646449</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247167500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try coding visual basic 6.0 without a mouse.... I dare you...</p><p>Some of us do not have a choice when it comes to programming language and environment. In which case the mouse is essential.</p><p>To stay on topic: I bought a simple logitech mouse with the usual 4-5 buttons. Extra functions on the mouse tend to just be annoying to me when I code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try coding visual basic 6.0 without a mouse.... I dare you...Some of us do not have a choice when it comes to programming language and environment .
In which case the mouse is essential.To stay on topic : I bought a simple logitech mouse with the usual 4-5 buttons .
Extra functions on the mouse tend to just be annoying to me when I code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try coding visual basic 6.0 without a mouse.... I dare you...Some of us do not have a choice when it comes to programming language and environment.
In which case the mouse is essential.To stay on topic: I bought a simple logitech mouse with the usual 4-5 buttons.
Extra functions on the mouse tend to just be annoying to me when I code.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642393</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642709</id>
	<title>Re:MX Revolution for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using one for about a year now.  Love it.</p><p>The buttons are also programmable on a per-application basis.  So you can have the side buttons scroll in FireFox and step the debugger in DevStudio.</p><p>I haven't had the line-of-sight problem you mentioned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using one for about a year now .
Love it.The buttons are also programmable on a per-application basis .
So you can have the side buttons scroll in FireFox and step the debugger in DevStudio.I have n't had the line-of-sight problem you mentioned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using one for about a year now.
Love it.The buttons are also programmable on a per-application basis.
So you can have the side buttons scroll in FireFox and step the debugger in DevStudio.I haven't had the line-of-sight problem you mentioned.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642507</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646435</id>
	<title>Re:Hack the Gibson!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247167260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, there's an emacs command to do that, good 'ol C-x M-c M-giantVRsimulation:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , there 's an emacs command to do that , good 'ol C-x M-c M-giantVRsimulation : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, there's an emacs command to do that, good 'ol C-x M-c M-giantVRsimulation:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642463</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647823</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX518</title>
	<author>ifrag</author>
	<datestamp>1247229660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agree, I got the MX518 for gaming as it's primary role but it's still very much a professional mouse as well.  I'd say avoid something like a Razor mouse though, the MX518 is really enough, and not all gaming mice directly translate well to doing work.  I've been considering going back to the MX518 since the new Razor mouse feels so strange but I'm still trying to adapt (and yes, I am trying to program with the Razor mouse as well).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agree , I got the MX518 for gaming as it 's primary role but it 's still very much a professional mouse as well .
I 'd say avoid something like a Razor mouse though , the MX518 is really enough , and not all gaming mice directly translate well to doing work .
I 've been considering going back to the MX518 since the new Razor mouse feels so strange but I 'm still trying to adapt ( and yes , I am trying to program with the Razor mouse as well ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agree, I got the MX518 for gaming as it's primary role but it's still very much a professional mouse as well.
I'd say avoid something like a Razor mouse though, the MX518 is really enough, and not all gaming mice directly translate well to doing work.
I've been considering going back to the MX518 since the new Razor mouse feels so strange but I'm still trying to adapt (and yes, I am trying to program with the Razor mouse as well).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642769</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28649341</id>
	<title>Meeses</title>
	<author>PalmKiller</author>
	<datestamp>1247238960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use a mouse to get from window to window sometimes, but most of the time I use hot keys in my editor.  I guess no mouse at all is really required.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a mouse to get from window to window sometimes , but most of the time I use hot keys in my editor .
I guess no mouse at all is really required .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a mouse to get from window to window sometimes, but most of the time I use hot keys in my editor.
I guess no mouse at all is really required.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647151</id>
	<title>Keyboard with integrated mouse.</title>
	<author>ekran</author>
	<datestamp>1247219760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you code, at least when you do things like I do, that is, you are using vim and a lot of xterms, it's best to have something that enables you to move your pointer without you having to move your hand a lot. What I have at work is a Thinkpad keyboard (Lenovo/IBM make those) which has a pointing stick in the middle. It's not made for accuracy (for that I have a separate mouse next to the keyboard. Which is a simple Razer Copperhead gaming mouse. The point is, you shouldn't have to move your hands too much when you code. Especially when all you do is changing xterm.</p><p>For those that use other development environments the answer may be different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you code , at least when you do things like I do , that is , you are using vim and a lot of xterms , it 's best to have something that enables you to move your pointer without you having to move your hand a lot .
What I have at work is a Thinkpad keyboard ( Lenovo/IBM make those ) which has a pointing stick in the middle .
It 's not made for accuracy ( for that I have a separate mouse next to the keyboard .
Which is a simple Razer Copperhead gaming mouse .
The point is , you should n't have to move your hands too much when you code .
Especially when all you do is changing xterm.For those that use other development environments the answer may be different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you code, at least when you do things like I do, that is, you are using vim and a lot of xterms, it's best to have something that enables you to move your pointer without you having to move your hand a lot.
What I have at work is a Thinkpad keyboard (Lenovo/IBM make those) which has a pointing stick in the middle.
It's not made for accuracy (for that I have a separate mouse next to the keyboard.
Which is a simple Razer Copperhead gaming mouse.
The point is, you shouldn't have to move your hands too much when you code.
Especially when all you do is changing xterm.For those that use other development environments the answer may be different.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642697</id>
	<title>Invalid Question...I am afraid.</title>
	<author>bogaboga</author>
	<datestamp>1247135700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And here's why:</p><p>There are more than <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_programming\_languages" title="wikipedia.org">100</a> [wikipedia.org] programming languages.</p><p> There are so many skill sets in each of them among programmers,</p><p> Programmers like those in the general population, have their own definition of "best".</p><p> Who will say what language is best for a particular kind of programming?</p><p>Bottom line: Invalid question, so it should not have been asked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And here 's why : There are more than 100 [ wikipedia.org ] programming languages .
There are so many skill sets in each of them among programmers , Programmers like those in the general population , have their own definition of " best " .
Who will say what language is best for a particular kind of programming ? Bottom line : Invalid question , so it should not have been asked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here's why:There are more than 100 [wikipedia.org] programming languages.
There are so many skill sets in each of them among programmers, Programmers like those in the general population, have their own definition of "best".
Who will say what language is best for a particular kind of programming?Bottom line: Invalid question, so it should not have been asked.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642509</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>zr-rifle</author>
	<datestamp>1247134980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since the dawn of <a href="http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl8\_gpm.htm" title="about.com">gpm</a> [about.com]...<br> <br>

Not everybody uses Emacs or VI, and some prefer GVim, which fully supports the mouse.<br> <br>

For some kind of activities, such as the highlighting of square blocks of text, the mouse is faster and more efficient that the keyboard.<br> <br>

Obviously, for everything else you should memorize key shortcuts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since the dawn of gpm [ about.com ] .. . Not everybody uses Emacs or VI , and some prefer GVim , which fully supports the mouse .
For some kind of activities , such as the highlighting of square blocks of text , the mouse is faster and more efficient that the keyboard .
Obviously , for everything else you should memorize key shortcuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since the dawn of gpm [about.com]... 

Not everybody uses Emacs or VI, and some prefer GVim, which fully supports the mouse.
For some kind of activities, such as the highlighting of square blocks of text, the mouse is faster and more efficient that the keyboard.
Obviously, for everything else you should memorize key shortcuts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642359</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646513</id>
	<title>There is no perfect mouse, but some come close</title>
	<author>stewartjm</author>
	<datestamp>1247168520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've recently gone through a mouse buying binge.  Most of them have a right handed ergo shape, I use the mouse with my right hand, so it's not an issue for me.  My hands/fingers are probably larger than average, but I use a claw grip, so most most sizes work fine.  Strangely I hadn't ever really noticed there were categories of mouse gripping before starting this odyssey.<br>
<br>
I started with a somewhat ancient but excellent:<br>
Intellimouse Explorer 3.0<br>
<br>
Which I had recently replaced the buttons on.  As a result it was feeling just a bit off, brand new buttons are harder to press.  Also my desktop resolution had increased from 3200x1200 in 2002, to around 6500x1600 today.  And I knew a higher DPI mouse would speed up navigation around the larger space.  So I decided it was finally time to go mouse shopping.

<br>
I tried, in order:<br>
Razor Deathadder<br>
Logitech G9<br>
Logitech VX Nano(this one is left handed friendly)<br>
Logitech MX 518<br>
Logitech MX 1100<br>
Logitech VX Revolution<br>
<br>
Criterion for selecting the above, were either wired, or if wireless, a multi-month battery life with user replaceable standard(aa or aaa) batteries.  I mostly use low self discharge(Sanyo Eneloop) NiMH batteries in the cordless mice, and they do last 2+ months without needing a recharge.  The lack of user replaceable batteries ruled out the MX Revolution, which I otherwise probably would've given a try.<br>
<br>
The Deathadder: Nirvana, if I'd stopped here, I would've thought it was perfect.  This mouse is  super comfortable, and awesome for long term use.  It's nearly identical in shape to the IE 3.0, so the learning curve was virtually nil.  I immediately noticed an advantage to the higher DPI, especially on the desktop, but, not as  noticeable when gaming.   The only slight problem was the scroll wheel, it feels a bit rougher, than the old, well broken in, IE 3.0 scroll wheel.  But... I had already ordered a G9 before I received it, so the saga continues.<br>
<br>
The G9: Nirvana++ but with one large annoyance.  It looks very different compared to the IE 3.0, but with a claw grip, it feels similar enough.  And I found it very comfortable for long term use.  It's ++, a free scroll capable scroll wheel, which I immediately fell in love with.  The on the fly DPI switching is nice, but I pretty much found the fastest that was not too fast, and stuck with it.  The large annoyance with the G9, the middle mouse button is entirely too hard to press, both in desktop apps(opening new tabs in a browser), and games(selecting menu items and such).  Another note on this mouse, I found the precision grip body to be very abrasive feeling, it feels like sandpaper to me.  But I've had other people try it without issue, so it must be me.  Luckily, the default wide grip doesn't have that issue.  I haven't messed with the weights, the default weight seemed fine to me.<br>
<br>
<br>
So at this point I had a clearly defined goal, a comfy mouse with a free scrolling scroll wheel, that doesn't take extreme force to click, so on with the search.<br>
<br>
<br>
The VX Nano:  This mouse has a separate middle button, which is nice and easy to press.  Instead of acting as a button, pressing the scroll wheel, allows you to enable/disable free scrolling.  This mouse is quite comfy, and in general lives up to the 4.5-5 star reviews it has received everywhere.  Problems, it takes me a minute or 2 to retrain myself when I switch between it, and a mouse with a clickable scroll wheel.  The forward and back buttons are in a sub optimal location, not a big issue for me, since I almost never use them.  Though I really should start using them.  The main reason I never got used to them was due to the use of a KVM switch that only emulated a 3 button mouse for the last 6+ years.   The nano receiver is really nice, plug it into your laptop and forget it.  So I stuck it on my personal laptop, and bought a second one, which I used it with my desktop for a few weeks, while I waited for something else to go on sale.  I currently use the second one with my wor</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've recently gone through a mouse buying binge .
Most of them have a right handed ergo shape , I use the mouse with my right hand , so it 's not an issue for me .
My hands/fingers are probably larger than average , but I use a claw grip , so most most sizes work fine .
Strangely I had n't ever really noticed there were categories of mouse gripping before starting this odyssey .
I started with a somewhat ancient but excellent : Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 Which I had recently replaced the buttons on .
As a result it was feeling just a bit off , brand new buttons are harder to press .
Also my desktop resolution had increased from 3200x1200 in 2002 , to around 6500x1600 today .
And I knew a higher DPI mouse would speed up navigation around the larger space .
So I decided it was finally time to go mouse shopping .
I tried , in order : Razor Deathadder Logitech G9 Logitech VX Nano ( this one is left handed friendly ) Logitech MX 518 Logitech MX 1100 Logitech VX Revolution Criterion for selecting the above , were either wired , or if wireless , a multi-month battery life with user replaceable standard ( aa or aaa ) batteries .
I mostly use low self discharge ( Sanyo Eneloop ) NiMH batteries in the cordless mice , and they do last 2 + months without needing a recharge .
The lack of user replaceable batteries ruled out the MX Revolution , which I otherwise probably would 've given a try .
The Deathadder : Nirvana , if I 'd stopped here , I would 've thought it was perfect .
This mouse is super comfortable , and awesome for long term use .
It 's nearly identical in shape to the IE 3.0 , so the learning curve was virtually nil .
I immediately noticed an advantage to the higher DPI , especially on the desktop , but , not as noticeable when gaming .
The only slight problem was the scroll wheel , it feels a bit rougher , than the old , well broken in , IE 3.0 scroll wheel .
But... I had already ordered a G9 before I received it , so the saga continues .
The G9 : Nirvana + + but with one large annoyance .
It looks very different compared to the IE 3.0 , but with a claw grip , it feels similar enough .
And I found it very comfortable for long term use .
It 's + + , a free scroll capable scroll wheel , which I immediately fell in love with .
The on the fly DPI switching is nice , but I pretty much found the fastest that was not too fast , and stuck with it .
The large annoyance with the G9 , the middle mouse button is entirely too hard to press , both in desktop apps ( opening new tabs in a browser ) , and games ( selecting menu items and such ) .
Another note on this mouse , I found the precision grip body to be very abrasive feeling , it feels like sandpaper to me .
But I 've had other people try it without issue , so it must be me .
Luckily , the default wide grip does n't have that issue .
I have n't messed with the weights , the default weight seemed fine to me .
So at this point I had a clearly defined goal , a comfy mouse with a free scrolling scroll wheel , that does n't take extreme force to click , so on with the search .
The VX Nano : This mouse has a separate middle button , which is nice and easy to press .
Instead of acting as a button , pressing the scroll wheel , allows you to enable/disable free scrolling .
This mouse is quite comfy , and in general lives up to the 4.5-5 star reviews it has received everywhere .
Problems , it takes me a minute or 2 to retrain myself when I switch between it , and a mouse with a clickable scroll wheel .
The forward and back buttons are in a sub optimal location , not a big issue for me , since I almost never use them .
Though I really should start using them .
The main reason I never got used to them was due to the use of a KVM switch that only emulated a 3 button mouse for the last 6 + years .
The nano receiver is really nice , plug it into your laptop and forget it .
So I stuck it on my personal laptop , and bought a second one , which I used it with my desktop for a few weeks , while I waited for something else to go on sale .
I currently use the second one with my wor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've recently gone through a mouse buying binge.
Most of them have a right handed ergo shape, I use the mouse with my right hand, so it's not an issue for me.
My hands/fingers are probably larger than average, but I use a claw grip, so most most sizes work fine.
Strangely I hadn't ever really noticed there were categories of mouse gripping before starting this odyssey.
I started with a somewhat ancient but excellent:
Intellimouse Explorer 3.0

Which I had recently replaced the buttons on.
As a result it was feeling just a bit off, brand new buttons are harder to press.
Also my desktop resolution had increased from 3200x1200 in 2002, to around 6500x1600 today.
And I knew a higher DPI mouse would speed up navigation around the larger space.
So I decided it was finally time to go mouse shopping.
I tried, in order:
Razor Deathadder
Logitech G9
Logitech VX Nano(this one is left handed friendly)
Logitech MX 518
Logitech MX 1100
Logitech VX Revolution

Criterion for selecting the above, were either wired, or if wireless, a multi-month battery life with user replaceable standard(aa or aaa) batteries.
I mostly use low self discharge(Sanyo Eneloop) NiMH batteries in the cordless mice, and they do last 2+ months without needing a recharge.
The lack of user replaceable batteries ruled out the MX Revolution, which I otherwise probably would've given a try.
The Deathadder: Nirvana, if I'd stopped here, I would've thought it was perfect.
This mouse is  super comfortable, and awesome for long term use.
It's nearly identical in shape to the IE 3.0, so the learning curve was virtually nil.
I immediately noticed an advantage to the higher DPI, especially on the desktop, but, not as  noticeable when gaming.
The only slight problem was the scroll wheel, it feels a bit rougher, than the old, well broken in, IE 3.0 scroll wheel.
But... I had already ordered a G9 before I received it, so the saga continues.
The G9: Nirvana++ but with one large annoyance.
It looks very different compared to the IE 3.0, but with a claw grip, it feels similar enough.
And I found it very comfortable for long term use.
It's ++, a free scroll capable scroll wheel, which I immediately fell in love with.
The on the fly DPI switching is nice, but I pretty much found the fastest that was not too fast, and stuck with it.
The large annoyance with the G9, the middle mouse button is entirely too hard to press, both in desktop apps(opening new tabs in a browser), and games(selecting menu items and such).
Another note on this mouse, I found the precision grip body to be very abrasive feeling, it feels like sandpaper to me.
But I've had other people try it without issue, so it must be me.
Luckily, the default wide grip doesn't have that issue.
I haven't messed with the weights, the default weight seemed fine to me.
So at this point I had a clearly defined goal, a comfy mouse with a free scrolling scroll wheel, that doesn't take extreme force to click, so on with the search.
The VX Nano:  This mouse has a separate middle button, which is nice and easy to press.
Instead of acting as a button, pressing the scroll wheel, allows you to enable/disable free scrolling.
This mouse is quite comfy, and in general lives up to the 4.5-5 star reviews it has received everywhere.
Problems, it takes me a minute or 2 to retrain myself when I switch between it, and a mouse with a clickable scroll wheel.
The forward and back buttons are in a sub optimal location, not a big issue for me, since I almost never use them.
Though I really should start using them.
The main reason I never got used to them was due to the use of a KVM switch that only emulated a 3 button mouse for the last 6+ years.
The nano receiver is really nice, plug it into your laptop and forget it.
So I stuck it on my personal laptop, and bought a second one, which I used it with my desktop for a few weeks, while I waited for something else to go on sale.
I currently use the second one with my wor</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28691395</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247587920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If a mouse is all that's available, then a corded laser mouse ain't bad - IF IT WORKS.  Many many many laser mice get confused and suck ass.  It's like they aren't aimed at the ground or something because the pointer jumps all over the place.   Anyway, two buttons with a up/down scroll wheel that can be pressed as the third is good.

I LOVE the IBM Thinkpad's joystick, ( a tiny nub between the g h and b keys on the keyboard that serves as it's mouse ) .  The thinkpad also comes with a electrostaticpad thingamabob but I have it disabled because those things suck ass.  I like best the fact that you can use the mouse if you have to while typing without moving your fingers from the keyboard.  The click button is right under the spacebar.


Alot of people hate the nub, but not me.  I can do what I want and if it is a little effortful ( not much effort at all with some practice ) that's good, because it makes you learn the keyboard shortcuts.  Anyway it saves your arm and wrist.  HIGHLY ergonomic.

It kind of fits with the consensus around here that none is the best programmer's mouse.  But it's there if you need it to do mousey things if you have to.

I never hook a mouse to my laptop, and I think if I could find a cheap fullsize keyboard with joystick mouse included I'd give it a try for desktop use.  Barring that, I like the idea of a trackball because it takes a fixed amount of desk real estate. If it fits on the desk next to my keyboard, that's all the room it will ever need, and it's physical presence serves to keep it's spot reserved.  A regular mousepad area can be encroached upon by coffee cups, paper bits and other junk until there's no room to mouse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a mouse is all that 's available , then a corded laser mouse ai n't bad - IF IT WORKS .
Many many many laser mice get confused and suck ass .
It 's like they are n't aimed at the ground or something because the pointer jumps all over the place .
Anyway , two buttons with a up/down scroll wheel that can be pressed as the third is good .
I LOVE the IBM Thinkpad 's joystick , ( a tiny nub between the g h and b keys on the keyboard that serves as it 's mouse ) .
The thinkpad also comes with a electrostaticpad thingamabob but I have it disabled because those things suck ass .
I like best the fact that you can use the mouse if you have to while typing without moving your fingers from the keyboard .
The click button is right under the spacebar .
Alot of people hate the nub , but not me .
I can do what I want and if it is a little effortful ( not much effort at all with some practice ) that 's good , because it makes you learn the keyboard shortcuts .
Anyway it saves your arm and wrist .
HIGHLY ergonomic .
It kind of fits with the consensus around here that none is the best programmer 's mouse .
But it 's there if you need it to do mousey things if you have to .
I never hook a mouse to my laptop , and I think if I could find a cheap fullsize keyboard with joystick mouse included I 'd give it a try for desktop use .
Barring that , I like the idea of a trackball because it takes a fixed amount of desk real estate .
If it fits on the desk next to my keyboard , that 's all the room it will ever need , and it 's physical presence serves to keep it 's spot reserved .
A regular mousepad area can be encroached upon by coffee cups , paper bits and other junk until there 's no room to mouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a mouse is all that's available, then a corded laser mouse ain't bad - IF IT WORKS.
Many many many laser mice get confused and suck ass.
It's like they aren't aimed at the ground or something because the pointer jumps all over the place.
Anyway, two buttons with a up/down scroll wheel that can be pressed as the third is good.
I LOVE the IBM Thinkpad's joystick, ( a tiny nub between the g h and b keys on the keyboard that serves as it's mouse ) .
The thinkpad also comes with a electrostaticpad thingamabob but I have it disabled because those things suck ass.
I like best the fact that you can use the mouse if you have to while typing without moving your fingers from the keyboard.
The click button is right under the spacebar.
Alot of people hate the nub, but not me.
I can do what I want and if it is a little effortful ( not much effort at all with some practice ) that's good, because it makes you learn the keyboard shortcuts.
Anyway it saves your arm and wrist.
HIGHLY ergonomic.
It kind of fits with the consensus around here that none is the best programmer's mouse.
But it's there if you need it to do mousey things if you have to.
I never hook a mouse to my laptop, and I think if I could find a cheap fullsize keyboard with joystick mouse included I'd give it a try for desktop use.
Barring that, I like the idea of a trackball because it takes a fixed amount of desk real estate.
If it fits on the desk next to my keyboard, that's all the room it will ever need, and it's physical presence serves to keep it's spot reserved.
A regular mousepad area can be encroached upon by coffee cups, paper bits and other junk until there's no room to mouse.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642787</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247136000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the most idiotic thing I've read on slashdot today.</p><p>In fact, it's probably this kind of crap that nets us horseshit UI's for good programs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the most idiotic thing I 've read on slashdot today.In fact , it 's probably this kind of crap that nets us horseshit UI 's for good programs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the most idiotic thing I've read on slashdot today.In fact, it's probably this kind of crap that nets us horseshit UI's for good programs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642393</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642575</id>
	<title>A keyboard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're welcome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're welcome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're welcome.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644575</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247144880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Logitech G5 is the only way to fly.  Hi res (I have a 30" monitor so I have the sensitivity on max), good weight (adjustable to the user's taste), very flexible cord, etc.  Forget extra buttons, I can't imagine what would be worth mapping, although I guess that may be influenced by which IDE you're using.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Logitech G5 is the only way to fly .
Hi res ( I have a 30 " monitor so I have the sensitivity on max ) , good weight ( adjustable to the user 's taste ) , very flexible cord , etc .
Forget extra buttons , I ca n't imagine what would be worth mapping , although I guess that may be influenced by which IDE you 're using .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Logitech G5 is the only way to fly.
Hi res (I have a 30" monitor so I have the sensitivity on max), good weight (adjustable to the user's taste), very flexible cord, etc.
Forget extra buttons, I can't imagine what would be worth mapping, although I guess that may be influenced by which IDE you're using.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642561</id>
	<title>Are you bored?</title>
	<author>iamapizza</author>
	<datestamp>1247135100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Quite possibly the worst ask-slashdot question ever.  While we're at it, let's also discuss the best mousepad for programming as well as the best type of wood for desks for programming.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite possibly the worst ask-slashdot question ever .
While we 're at it , let 's also discuss the best mousepad for programming as well as the best type of wood for desks for programming .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite possibly the worst ask-slashdot question ever.
While we're at it, let's also discuss the best mousepad for programming as well as the best type of wood for desks for programming.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645925</id>
	<title>My entire laptop.</title>
	<author>istartedi</author>
	<datestamp>1247159880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My laptop trackpad functions as my mouse.  What
makes this different is that it's the only human
interface device I use on the laptop.</p><p>I send the video to a separate widescreen
monitor.  I use an old school keyboard connected
via AT-PS2-USB connectors (yes, it works, even
numeric keypad with numlock).  The laptop monitor
is turned off, and the case is open wide enough for
me to put my hand in there; but not wide enough
to get in the way of anything else or obstruct the
monitor.</p><p>So, I get all the ergonomic advantage of a full-sized
PC with a trackpad.  Once you go trackpad in this situation,
you'll wonder why anybody would ever want to slide something
around on a surface.  The laptop is heavy enough to keep
the pad still.  I guess this might be why you don't see separate
trackpads sold very often.  They'd need weight or sticky pads to
keep them in place on your desk, and it's hard to sell dead weight
or a sticky desk to people.</p><p>In the past, my laptop saw much service as a truly mobile
device; but recently it's stayed "docked" most of the time.  It's
nice to know I can take it about and use it like a regular laptop.
So.  Not only do I never want to slide something around my desk
again, I really don't want to go non-mobile again either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My laptop trackpad functions as my mouse .
What makes this different is that it 's the only human interface device I use on the laptop.I send the video to a separate widescreen monitor .
I use an old school keyboard connected via AT-PS2-USB connectors ( yes , it works , even numeric keypad with numlock ) .
The laptop monitor is turned off , and the case is open wide enough for me to put my hand in there ; but not wide enough to get in the way of anything else or obstruct the monitor.So , I get all the ergonomic advantage of a full-sized PC with a trackpad .
Once you go trackpad in this situation , you 'll wonder why anybody would ever want to slide something around on a surface .
The laptop is heavy enough to keep the pad still .
I guess this might be why you do n't see separate trackpads sold very often .
They 'd need weight or sticky pads to keep them in place on your desk , and it 's hard to sell dead weight or a sticky desk to people.In the past , my laptop saw much service as a truly mobile device ; but recently it 's stayed " docked " most of the time .
It 's nice to know I can take it about and use it like a regular laptop .
So. Not only do I never want to slide something around my desk again , I really do n't want to go non-mobile again either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My laptop trackpad functions as my mouse.
What
makes this different is that it's the only human
interface device I use on the laptop.I send the video to a separate widescreen
monitor.
I use an old school keyboard connected
via AT-PS2-USB connectors (yes, it works, even
numeric keypad with numlock).
The laptop monitor
is turned off, and the case is open wide enough for
me to put my hand in there; but not wide enough
to get in the way of anything else or obstruct the
monitor.So, I get all the ergonomic advantage of a full-sized
PC with a trackpad.
Once you go trackpad in this situation,
you'll wonder why anybody would ever want to slide something
around on a surface.
The laptop is heavy enough to keep
the pad still.
I guess this might be why you don't see separate
trackpads sold very often.
They'd need weight or sticky pads to
keep them in place on your desk, and it's hard to sell dead weight
or a sticky desk to people.In the past, my laptop saw much service as a truly mobile
device; but recently it's stayed "docked" most of the time.
It's
nice to know I can take it about and use it like a regular laptop.
So.  Not only do I never want to slide something around my desk
again, I really don't want to go non-mobile again either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28675985</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>dscarrol</author>
	<datestamp>1247498820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i think the thing here is that knowing 'esotoric editor commands' usually implies programming skill<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D it is generally not memorization so much as learned behavior or something.. that is to say, so-called 'script-kiddies' are not very likely to have 'memorized' 'esotoric editor commands' of course, most of the 'esotoric editor commands' that I use, I make myself.. That being said, i think its a bit silly to think that there is some mouse that magically makes you a better programmer, as most of the business is done with the keyboard.. you can use the keyboard to do a whole lot.. e.g. you can configure your computer to magically do things when you press certain combination of keyboard keys *~ While I don't use the macs myself, I like their single-button mouse. I'd recommend a single-button mouse because they are neat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i think the thing here is that knowing 'esotoric editor commands ' usually implies programming skill : D it is generally not memorization so much as learned behavior or something.. that is to say , so-called 'script-kiddies ' are not very likely to have 'memorized ' 'esotoric editor commands ' of course , most of the 'esotoric editor commands ' that I use , I make myself.. That being said , i think its a bit silly to think that there is some mouse that magically makes you a better programmer , as most of the business is done with the keyboard.. you can use the keyboard to do a whole lot.. e.g. you can configure your computer to magically do things when you press certain combination of keyboard keys * ~ While I do n't use the macs myself , I like their single-button mouse .
I 'd recommend a single-button mouse because they are neat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i think the thing here is that knowing 'esotoric editor commands' usually implies programming skill :D it is generally not memorization so much as learned behavior or something.. that is to say, so-called 'script-kiddies' are not very likely to have 'memorized' 'esotoric editor commands' of course, most of the 'esotoric editor commands' that I use, I make myself.. That being said, i think its a bit silly to think that there is some mouse that magically makes you a better programmer, as most of the business is done with the keyboard.. you can use the keyboard to do a whole lot.. e.g. you can configure your computer to magically do things when you press certain combination of keyboard keys *~ While I don't use the macs myself, I like their single-button mouse.
I'd recommend a single-button mouse because they are neat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647443</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>turing\_m</author>
	<datestamp>1247223840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Programming is 90\% thinking/planning, and 10\% typing. The idea that using a mouse makes you a worse programmer in any appreciable sense is about as stupid as the idea that the mouse you use matters.</p></div></blockquote><p>
GPP was talking about <i>elite</i> programmers. And I don't think he was talking about David Braben and Ian Bell.
<br> <br>
Not to describe myself as such, but if you are capable of rapidly converting good ideas to good code in your head and the language/problem domain is verbose, your brain's potential output will be bandwidth limited by the hand/computer interface. Thus the hand/computer interface needs to be high bandwidth and low RSI. i.e. a keyboard.
<br> <br>
This applies especially during the implementation phase (e.g. you have done the planning, now all that remains is converting the ideas to code). I find this with SQL, for example. The process starts with days (weeks) thinking about the problem, and then days banging out code. I have automated everything I can think of through vim (not to mention using views and various syntactic sugar in postgresql), and macros in vim are freaking amazing, but it's still many, many hours. If I had to use anything other than a keyboard and vim, I'd probably be still coding the last project or have given up. It's not just the bandwidth limitation, it's the losing of the train of thought through frustration.
<br> <br>
Who knows. If all the programming I had to do was creating regexes, morse code would be plenty fast.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Programming is 90 \ % thinking/planning , and 10 \ % typing .
The idea that using a mouse makes you a worse programmer in any appreciable sense is about as stupid as the idea that the mouse you use matters .
GPP was talking about elite programmers .
And I do n't think he was talking about David Braben and Ian Bell .
Not to describe myself as such , but if you are capable of rapidly converting good ideas to good code in your head and the language/problem domain is verbose , your brain 's potential output will be bandwidth limited by the hand/computer interface .
Thus the hand/computer interface needs to be high bandwidth and low RSI .
i.e. a keyboard .
This applies especially during the implementation phase ( e.g .
you have done the planning , now all that remains is converting the ideas to code ) .
I find this with SQL , for example .
The process starts with days ( weeks ) thinking about the problem , and then days banging out code .
I have automated everything I can think of through vim ( not to mention using views and various syntactic sugar in postgresql ) , and macros in vim are freaking amazing , but it 's still many , many hours .
If I had to use anything other than a keyboard and vim , I 'd probably be still coding the last project or have given up .
It 's not just the bandwidth limitation , it 's the losing of the train of thought through frustration .
Who knows .
If all the programming I had to do was creating regexes , morse code would be plenty fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Programming is 90\% thinking/planning, and 10\% typing.
The idea that using a mouse makes you a worse programmer in any appreciable sense is about as stupid as the idea that the mouse you use matters.
GPP was talking about elite programmers.
And I don't think he was talking about David Braben and Ian Bell.
Not to describe myself as such, but if you are capable of rapidly converting good ideas to good code in your head and the language/problem domain is verbose, your brain's potential output will be bandwidth limited by the hand/computer interface.
Thus the hand/computer interface needs to be high bandwidth and low RSI.
i.e. a keyboard.
This applies especially during the implementation phase (e.g.
you have done the planning, now all that remains is converting the ideas to code).
I find this with SQL, for example.
The process starts with days (weeks) thinking about the problem, and then days banging out code.
I have automated everything I can think of through vim (not to mention using views and various syntactic sugar in postgresql), and macros in vim are freaking amazing, but it's still many, many hours.
If I had to use anything other than a keyboard and vim, I'd probably be still coding the last project or have given up.
It's not just the bandwidth limitation, it's the losing of the train of thought through frustration.
Who knows.
If all the programming I had to do was creating regexes, morse code would be plenty fast.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642873</id>
	<title>My list</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247136360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need:<br>- a mouse that can be used left handed, placed to the left of the keyboard, this allows for hours of stress-free usage<br>- a corded mouse with relatively few buttons, it is lighter, cheaper to replace<br>- a good quality keyboard that you can use for hours comfortably</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need : - a mouse that can be used left handed , placed to the left of the keyboard , this allows for hours of stress-free usage- a corded mouse with relatively few buttons , it is lighter , cheaper to replace- a good quality keyboard that you can use for hours comfortably</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need:- a mouse that can be used left handed, placed to the left of the keyboard, this allows for hours of stress-free usage- a corded mouse with relatively few buttons, it is lighter, cheaper to replace- a good quality keyboard that you can use for hours comfortably</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642411</id>
	<title>IBM Trackpoint</title>
	<author>bvanheu</author>
	<datestamp>1247134680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use a keyboard with an IBM trackpoint so i don't keep moving my right hand between keyboard and mouse.

It takes a little to get used to it, but it worth the try!

<a href="http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/healthycomputing/trkpnt.html" title="ibm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/healthycomputing/trkpnt.html</a> [ibm.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a keyboard with an IBM trackpoint so i do n't keep moving my right hand between keyboard and mouse .
It takes a little to get used to it , but it worth the try !
http : //www.pc.ibm.com/ww/healthycomputing/trkpnt.html [ ibm.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a keyboard with an IBM trackpoint so i don't keep moving my right hand between keyboard and mouse.
It takes a little to get used to it, but it worth the try!
http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/healthycomputing/trkpnt.html [ibm.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643563</id>
	<title>Logitech of course</title>
	<author>SeanBlader</author>
	<datestamp>1247139360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I rather enjoy the texture and customizability of the Logitech G5. It's got a DPI controller on the top so when I need to do some precise photoshop work I can move slower. It's got a variable weighting system so you can have as much inertia as you prefer. It's teflon feet are very easy to slide, and the wheel has left and right tilt as well as Logitech's great scroll feel. In the end though, the G5 is a desktop mouse, with a braided wrapped cable that reaches forever and would seriously get in the way of a portable notebook environment.

If you absolutely must have a wireless mouse, I have to recommend getting one of Logitech's non-bluetooth mice, the responsiveness when coming off idle time is faster than the bluetooth models. Any of them will work great and have good battery life, but the ones with the nano-receiver are better for portable use, just leave it in your notebook and don't worry about losing it. Regardless though, if you're developing at a desktop, get the G5, it's the best mouse in the history of Logitech.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I rather enjoy the texture and customizability of the Logitech G5 .
It 's got a DPI controller on the top so when I need to do some precise photoshop work I can move slower .
It 's got a variable weighting system so you can have as much inertia as you prefer .
It 's teflon feet are very easy to slide , and the wheel has left and right tilt as well as Logitech 's great scroll feel .
In the end though , the G5 is a desktop mouse , with a braided wrapped cable that reaches forever and would seriously get in the way of a portable notebook environment .
If you absolutely must have a wireless mouse , I have to recommend getting one of Logitech 's non-bluetooth mice , the responsiveness when coming off idle time is faster than the bluetooth models .
Any of them will work great and have good battery life , but the ones with the nano-receiver are better for portable use , just leave it in your notebook and do n't worry about losing it .
Regardless though , if you 're developing at a desktop , get the G5 , it 's the best mouse in the history of Logitech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rather enjoy the texture and customizability of the Logitech G5.
It's got a DPI controller on the top so when I need to do some precise photoshop work I can move slower.
It's got a variable weighting system so you can have as much inertia as you prefer.
It's teflon feet are very easy to slide, and the wheel has left and right tilt as well as Logitech's great scroll feel.
In the end though, the G5 is a desktop mouse, with a braided wrapped cable that reaches forever and would seriously get in the way of a portable notebook environment.
If you absolutely must have a wireless mouse, I have to recommend getting one of Logitech's non-bluetooth mice, the responsiveness when coming off idle time is faster than the bluetooth models.
Any of them will work great and have good battery life, but the ones with the nano-receiver are better for portable use, just leave it in your notebook and don't worry about losing it.
Regardless though, if you're developing at a desktop, get the G5, it's the best mouse in the history of Logitech.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642493</id>
	<title>Mice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because we all know the future of programming lies in mouse gestures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because we all know the future of programming lies in mouse gestures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because we all know the future of programming lies in mouse gestures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28675903</id>
	<title>mouse?</title>
	<author>dscarrol</author>
	<datestamp>1247498460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>mouse?  i use the keyboard to program...

i prefer trackball, everyone says its crazy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D

wireless?
if you program a lot, you will have to stop and recharge all the time..   me, i program pretty close to my monitors/keyboard so..   i use wired mouse * ~

good luck finding your uber programming mouse!</htmltext>
<tokenext>mouse ?
i use the keyboard to program.. . i prefer trackball , everyone says its crazy : D wireless ?
if you program a lot , you will have to stop and recharge all the time.. me , i program pretty close to my monitors/keyboard so.. i use wired mouse * ~ good luck finding your uber programming mouse !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mouse?
i use the keyboard to program...

i prefer trackball, everyone says its crazy :D

wireless?
if you program a lot, you will have to stop and recharge all the time..   me, i program pretty close to my monitors/keyboard so..   i use wired mouse * ~

good luck finding your uber programming mouse!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28651649</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247248800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt; How do you capture a line of text in a putty window, without a mouse?</p><p>Simply mask off the rest of the screen with blank paper and sellotape and point your webcam at the screen</p><p>Write a script to capture a picture and OCR it and pass it to your favorite editor. Assign this script to a key and you're in business.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; How do you capture a line of text in a putty window , without a mouse ? Simply mask off the rest of the screen with blank paper and sellotape and point your webcam at the screenWrite a script to capture a picture and OCR it and pass it to your favorite editor .
Assign this script to a key and you 're in business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt; How do you capture a line of text in a putty window, without a mouse?Simply mask off the rest of the screen with blank paper and sellotape and point your webcam at the screenWrite a script to capture a picture and OCR it and pass it to your favorite editor.
Assign this script to a key and you're in business.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644627</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247145480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, heaven forbid that the developer is doing a whole lot of coding, and actually knows about keyboard shortcuts, but you know, might actually want to use a mouse to... um:<br>* Test the interface they may be programming (yeah, shock horror, sometimes you code things that get used with a mouse)<br>* Might want to surf the web and forums etc.<br>* Might want to do ANYTHING bloody useful on a pc other than command line based activities.</p><p>Really, get off you friggen 'ooh, you use a mouse, how amateur' shit, it's tiresome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , heaven forbid that the developer is doing a whole lot of coding , and actually knows about keyboard shortcuts , but you know , might actually want to use a mouse to... um : * Test the interface they may be programming ( yeah , shock horror , sometimes you code things that get used with a mouse ) * Might want to surf the web and forums etc .
* Might want to do ANYTHING bloody useful on a pc other than command line based activities.Really , get off you friggen 'ooh , you use a mouse , how amateur ' shit , it 's tiresome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, heaven forbid that the developer is doing a whole lot of coding, and actually knows about keyboard shortcuts, but you know, might actually want to use a mouse to... um:* Test the interface they may be programming (yeah, shock horror, sometimes you code things that get used with a mouse)* Might want to surf the web and forums etc.
* Might want to do ANYTHING bloody useful on a pc other than command line based activities.Really, get off you friggen 'ooh, you use a mouse, how amateur' shit, it's tiresome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642449</id>
	<title>Logitech MX Revolution</title>
	<author>Kamokazi</author>
	<datestamp>1247134800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wireless with built in rechargable battery that lasts several days easily for me.  Lots of buttons, the scroll wheel is very nice, you can keep it in standard click mode, or use free scrolling, or toggle between the two easily; automatically or manually.</p><p>Fully programmable with lots of buttons, forward/back, and the cool thumb quick flip thing.</p><p>It contours very well in the hand, and I really like the extra lip under the thumb.  It has some nice weight to it, but it's not too heavy to be tiresome.  Overall it's the best mouse I've every owned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wireless with built in rechargable battery that lasts several days easily for me .
Lots of buttons , the scroll wheel is very nice , you can keep it in standard click mode , or use free scrolling , or toggle between the two easily ; automatically or manually.Fully programmable with lots of buttons , forward/back , and the cool thumb quick flip thing.It contours very well in the hand , and I really like the extra lip under the thumb .
It has some nice weight to it , but it 's not too heavy to be tiresome .
Overall it 's the best mouse I 've every owned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wireless with built in rechargable battery that lasts several days easily for me.
Lots of buttons, the scroll wheel is very nice, you can keep it in standard click mode, or use free scrolling, or toggle between the two easily; automatically or manually.Fully programmable with lots of buttons, forward/back, and the cool thumb quick flip thing.It contours very well in the hand, and I really like the extra lip under the thumb.
It has some nice weight to it, but it's not too heavy to be tiresome.
Overall it's the best mouse I've every owned.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644967</id>
	<title>HP apparently sells one</title>
	<author>amiga3D</author>
	<datestamp>1247148360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Suprisingly it seems that HP still makes a good 3 button optical mouse.

<a href="http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product.asp?sku=2545791&amp;pagemode=ca" title="hp.com">http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product.asp?sku=2545791&amp;pagemode=ca</a> [hp.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Suprisingly it seems that HP still makes a good 3 button optical mouse .
http : //h30094.www3.hp.com/product.asp ? sku = 2545791&amp;pagemode = ca [ hp.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suprisingly it seems that HP still makes a good 3 button optical mouse.
http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product.asp?sku=2545791&amp;pagemode=ca [hp.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642713</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While mildly funny, this reeks of elitism and untruth. You are associating memorization of esoteric editor commands and customization options with programming skill. While there's likely a good correlation, one can have one without the other.</p><p>On a separate note, modern IDEs, such as Eclipse, require the use of the mouse. I would argue that this streamlines the coding process, leaving the developer to focus on the actual design and logic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While mildly funny , this reeks of elitism and untruth .
You are associating memorization of esoteric editor commands and customization options with programming skill .
While there 's likely a good correlation , one can have one without the other.On a separate note , modern IDEs , such as Eclipse , require the use of the mouse .
I would argue that this streamlines the coding process , leaving the developer to focus on the actual design and logic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While mildly funny, this reeks of elitism and untruth.
You are associating memorization of esoteric editor commands and customization options with programming skill.
While there's likely a good correlation, one can have one without the other.On a separate note, modern IDEs, such as Eclipse, require the use of the mouse.
I would argue that this streamlines the coding process, leaving the developer to focus on the actual design and logic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643157</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>seifried</author>
	<datestamp>1247137680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get one that takes AA batteries and have a spare battery or two (although in my Microsoft mouse they seem to last a few months, and that's a good 60-80 hours a week). As for the mouse going to "sleep" I've never noticed that (I move my mouse, the pointer moves, no delays I've ever noticed). A good wireless mouse isn't cheap, but it's worth it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get one that takes AA batteries and have a spare battery or two ( although in my Microsoft mouse they seem to last a few months , and that 's a good 60-80 hours a week ) .
As for the mouse going to " sleep " I 've never noticed that ( I move my mouse , the pointer moves , no delays I 've ever noticed ) .
A good wireless mouse is n't cheap , but it 's worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get one that takes AA batteries and have a spare battery or two (although in my Microsoft mouse they seem to last a few months, and that's a good 60-80 hours a week).
As for the mouse going to "sleep" I've never noticed that (I move my mouse, the pointer moves, no delays I've ever noticed).
A good wireless mouse isn't cheap, but it's worth it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28656907</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>alfredo</author>
	<datestamp>1247236380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love my Kensington Expert Mouse Pro.  It has a nice big trackball, six programmable buttons across the top, clickable scroll wheel, four buttons around the trackball.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love my Kensington Expert Mouse Pro .
It has a nice big trackball , six programmable buttons across the top , clickable scroll wheel , four buttons around the trackball .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love my Kensington Expert Mouse Pro.
It has a nice big trackball, six programmable buttons across the top, clickable scroll wheel, four buttons around the trackball.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28655279</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>NickW1234</author>
	<datestamp>1247222640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought an MX-1000 and couldn't stand it.  It had a very short, but noticeable lag and it was tail heavy and had too long a detection depth, so if I did want to pick it up and reposition it, It would move up a bit due to the tilt on lifting it, unless I had it in a death grip.

It just doesn't compare to a really good lightweight corded optical.  Razer Diamondback is my favourite.  (I'd stay away from the Lachesis though, I have one of those too, and it sucks)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought an MX-1000 and could n't stand it .
It had a very short , but noticeable lag and it was tail heavy and had too long a detection depth , so if I did want to pick it up and reposition it , It would move up a bit due to the tilt on lifting it , unless I had it in a death grip .
It just does n't compare to a really good lightweight corded optical .
Razer Diamondback is my favourite .
( I 'd stay away from the Lachesis though , I have one of those too , and it sucks )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought an MX-1000 and couldn't stand it.
It had a very short, but noticeable lag and it was tail heavy and had too long a detection depth, so if I did want to pick it up and reposition it, It would move up a bit due to the tilt on lifting it, unless I had it in a death grip.
It just doesn't compare to a really good lightweight corded optical.
Razer Diamondback is my favourite.
(I'd stay away from the Lachesis though, I have one of those too, and it sucks)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645933</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247159880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries, recharging...</p></div><p>but if the electricity is out, you can't use your mouse!</p></div><p>But if the electricity is out, you can't use your computer!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries , recharging...but if the electricity is out , you ca n't use your mouse ! But if the electricity is out , you ca n't use your computer !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries, recharging...but if the electricity is out, you can't use your mouse!But if the electricity is out, you can't use your computer!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642829</id>
	<title>Evoluent Vertical Mouse</title>
	<author>MadKatAlpha</author>
	<datestamp>1247136120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.evoluent.com/" title="evoluent.com" rel="nofollow">Evoluent Vertical Mouse</a> [evoluent.com] <br> <br>

If you have to use a mouse, it might as well be one that isn't going to destroy your wrist.<br> <br>

It might clash with your stereotypical <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model\_M\_keyboard" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">clicky keyboard</a> [wikipedia.org] but it'll fit right in with that ergonomic keyboard that you actually use.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Evoluent Vertical Mouse [ evoluent.com ] If you have to use a mouse , it might as well be one that is n't going to destroy your wrist .
It might clash with your stereotypical clicky keyboard [ wikipedia.org ] but it 'll fit right in with that ergonomic keyboard that you actually use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Evoluent Vertical Mouse [evoluent.com]  

If you have to use a mouse, it might as well be one that isn't going to destroy your wrist.
It might clash with your stereotypical clicky keyboard [wikipedia.org] but it'll fit right in with that ergonomic keyboard that you actually use.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28650481</id>
	<title>Re:IBM Trackpoint</title>
	<author>milimetric</author>
	<datestamp>1247243340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's my "elite" repertoire of mice:</p><p>IBM TrackPoint, great suggestion.  It's not like other trackpoints, it feels great and once I got used to it, I became faster than with a mouse.  For light scrolling/selecting, drag/dropping it's great.  The other huge plus here is the renowned IBM keyboard which has been my favorite for years.</p><p>Logitech MX518 mouse.  This thing was a workhorse for me on desktops before I fell in love with my T42p.  BUT, and this is Huge, you have to set it up the way I do (just try it):<br>- left side button 1 for [Ctrl]<br>- left side button 2 for [Ctrl + Tab]<br>- front middle button for [Space]<br>- middle button (click wheel) for [Enter]<br>- button behind click wheel (hard to hit) for [Backspace]</p><p>This configuration allows you to do really cool things like switch tabs in IDEs (Eclipse can be configured), Ctrl+Scroll to resize web text or documents in Office, Ctrl+Click to open links in new tabs, space and backspace for those rare times when you're editing with the mouse (skipping around the text at a pace that you would break your brain if you tried to simulate in VI), and as a plus space and backspace work for going back in browsers and paging down<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Trackball - A good trackball has no match in my opinion.  The $100 Kensington you find at Microcenter or other places is the bottom of the line as far as this is concerned, and I was really unhappy with the software.</p><p>One final tip:  Change your Caps Lock key into a Ctrl key.  Not if you use Emacs (shudder) though, that'll probably cause your fingers to bleed purple or something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's my " elite " repertoire of mice : IBM TrackPoint , great suggestion .
It 's not like other trackpoints , it feels great and once I got used to it , I became faster than with a mouse .
For light scrolling/selecting , drag/dropping it 's great .
The other huge plus here is the renowned IBM keyboard which has been my favorite for years.Logitech MX518 mouse .
This thing was a workhorse for me on desktops before I fell in love with my T42p .
BUT , and this is Huge , you have to set it up the way I do ( just try it ) : - left side button 1 for [ Ctrl ] - left side button 2 for [ Ctrl + Tab ] - front middle button for [ Space ] - middle button ( click wheel ) for [ Enter ] - button behind click wheel ( hard to hit ) for [ Backspace ] This configuration allows you to do really cool things like switch tabs in IDEs ( Eclipse can be configured ) , Ctrl + Scroll to resize web text or documents in Office , Ctrl + Click to open links in new tabs , space and backspace for those rare times when you 're editing with the mouse ( skipping around the text at a pace that you would break your brain if you tried to simulate in VI ) , and as a plus space and backspace work for going back in browsers and paging down : ) Trackball - A good trackball has no match in my opinion .
The $ 100 Kensington you find at Microcenter or other places is the bottom of the line as far as this is concerned , and I was really unhappy with the software.One final tip : Change your Caps Lock key into a Ctrl key .
Not if you use Emacs ( shudder ) though , that 'll probably cause your fingers to bleed purple or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's my "elite" repertoire of mice:IBM TrackPoint, great suggestion.
It's not like other trackpoints, it feels great and once I got used to it, I became faster than with a mouse.
For light scrolling/selecting, drag/dropping it's great.
The other huge plus here is the renowned IBM keyboard which has been my favorite for years.Logitech MX518 mouse.
This thing was a workhorse for me on desktops before I fell in love with my T42p.
BUT, and this is Huge, you have to set it up the way I do (just try it):- left side button 1 for [Ctrl]- left side button 2 for [Ctrl + Tab]- front middle button for [Space]- middle button (click wheel) for [Enter]- button behind click wheel (hard to hit) for [Backspace]This configuration allows you to do really cool things like switch tabs in IDEs (Eclipse can be configured), Ctrl+Scroll to resize web text or documents in Office, Ctrl+Click to open links in new tabs, space and backspace for those rare times when you're editing with the mouse (skipping around the text at a pace that you would break your brain if you tried to simulate in VI), and as a plus space and backspace work for going back in browsers and paging down :)Trackball - A good trackball has no match in my opinion.
The $100 Kensington you find at Microcenter or other places is the bottom of the line as far as this is concerned, and I was really unhappy with the software.One final tip:  Change your Caps Lock key into a Ctrl key.
Not if you use Emacs (shudder) though, that'll probably cause your fingers to bleed purple or something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643099</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247137380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You sound like you'd suck Taco's cock given the chance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You sound like you 'd suck Taco 's cock given the chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You sound like you'd suck Taco's cock given the chance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643689</id>
	<title>Microsoft Bluetooth Mouse for Netbooks</title>
	<author>-Neko-</author>
	<datestamp>1247139900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I found this little gem at Best Buy (and got my girl to get me a discount<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) and it really is nice and comfortable, 6 buttons (left, right, wheel click, wheel scroll, and a button on the left near the thumb) - I use the thumb button to scroll through multiple tabs in Notepad++..</p><p>The precision on it is good enough for gaming and Bluetooth means standards compliant and goes everywhere (i.e. not any stupid "2.4GHz" custom protocol USB dongles or so floating around which you need to carry with you. The MS BMfN doesn't come with any transceiver, it assumes you already got one. I got a cheap $7 pico BT 2.1 adapter (the one where it's about 1/6th of an inch bigger than a USB connector) which works great with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I found this little gem at Best Buy ( and got my girl to get me a discount ; ) and it really is nice and comfortable , 6 buttons ( left , right , wheel click , wheel scroll , and a button on the left near the thumb ) - I use the thumb button to scroll through multiple tabs in Notepad + + ..The precision on it is good enough for gaming and Bluetooth means standards compliant and goes everywhere ( i.e .
not any stupid " 2.4GHz " custom protocol USB dongles or so floating around which you need to carry with you .
The MS BMfN does n't come with any transceiver , it assumes you already got one .
I got a cheap $ 7 pico BT 2.1 adapter ( the one where it 's about 1/6th of an inch bigger than a USB connector ) which works great with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found this little gem at Best Buy (and got my girl to get me a discount ;) and it really is nice and comfortable, 6 buttons (left, right, wheel click, wheel scroll, and a button on the left near the thumb) - I use the thumb button to scroll through multiple tabs in Notepad++..The precision on it is good enough for gaming and Bluetooth means standards compliant and goes everywhere (i.e.
not any stupid "2.4GHz" custom protocol USB dongles or so floating around which you need to carry with you.
The MS BMfN doesn't come with any transceiver, it assumes you already got one.
I got a cheap $7 pico BT 2.1 adapter (the one where it's about 1/6th of an inch bigger than a USB connector) which works great with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642839</id>
	<title>Why a mouse?</title>
	<author>Niris</author>
	<datestamp>1247136180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't get why you would need a mouse for programming.. programming languages are typed, no?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get why you would need a mouse for programming.. programming languages are typed , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get why you would need a mouse for programming.. programming languages are typed, no?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646483</id>
	<title>The true programming mouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247168160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is the best <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse\_(programming\_language)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">programming mouse</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is the best programming mouse [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is the best programming mouse [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642441</id>
	<title>Mighty Mouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mighty Mouse writes all my code.  Underdog tests.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mighty Mouse writes all my code .
Underdog tests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mighty Mouse writes all my code.
Underdog tests.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644441</id>
	<title>Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer for Bluetooth.</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1247143980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Save from the stupid name, and about a second or two of delay it takes to "wake up" after not being used for something like a hour, I must say I love it.<br>Bluetooth means no range problems ever, which is absolutely abysmal with "normal wireless" mice (I had both IR and radio and both sucked totally). It has a very decent optical system. It's big, rather heavy but ergonomic (for righties, thumb space very comfortable but right-hand only.) It has two extra assignable buttons (though downloading some 50MB of drivers to do that that is somewhat silly). The wheel moves very lightly but not too lightly. A pair of some 2000mAh accumulators lasts about a week until recharge (I keep two sets, one always in the charger, one in the mouse.)</p><p>BTW, the mouse is suboptimal for gaming, because it has pretty low resolution and minimally delayed response time, but I found these not to matter the least bit with normal usage - web, programming etc. The delay and resolution problem is noticeable only when sniping, doesn't affect normal usage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Save from the stupid name , and about a second or two of delay it takes to " wake up " after not being used for something like a hour , I must say I love it.Bluetooth means no range problems ever , which is absolutely abysmal with " normal wireless " mice ( I had both IR and radio and both sucked totally ) .
It has a very decent optical system .
It 's big , rather heavy but ergonomic ( for righties , thumb space very comfortable but right-hand only .
) It has two extra assignable buttons ( though downloading some 50MB of drivers to do that that is somewhat silly ) .
The wheel moves very lightly but not too lightly .
A pair of some 2000mAh accumulators lasts about a week until recharge ( I keep two sets , one always in the charger , one in the mouse .
) BTW , the mouse is suboptimal for gaming , because it has pretty low resolution and minimally delayed response time , but I found these not to matter the least bit with normal usage - web , programming etc .
The delay and resolution problem is noticeable only when sniping , does n't affect normal usage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Save from the stupid name, and about a second or two of delay it takes to "wake up" after not being used for something like a hour, I must say I love it.Bluetooth means no range problems ever, which is absolutely abysmal with "normal wireless" mice (I had both IR and radio and both sucked totally).
It has a very decent optical system.
It's big, rather heavy but ergonomic (for righties, thumb space very comfortable but right-hand only.
) It has two extra assignable buttons (though downloading some 50MB of drivers to do that that is somewhat silly).
The wheel moves very lightly but not too lightly.
A pair of some 2000mAh accumulators lasts about a week until recharge (I keep two sets, one always in the charger, one in the mouse.
)BTW, the mouse is suboptimal for gaming, because it has pretty low resolution and minimally delayed response time, but I found these not to matter the least bit with normal usage - web, programming etc.
The delay and resolution problem is noticeable only when sniping, doesn't affect normal usage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644067</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247142000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed, how the fuck do you program with a mouse?</p><p>I know people say this about 60\% of "Ask Slashdot" submissions, but <b>how is this question that needs to be crowd sourced?</b>. What is the purpose of "Ask Slashdot"? Because, from what I'm seeing, it's for completely incompetent people to ask questions that they should just fucking GOOGLE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , how the fuck do you program with a mouse ? I know people say this about 60 \ % of " Ask Slashdot " submissions , but how is this question that needs to be crowd sourced ? .
What is the purpose of " Ask Slashdot " ?
Because , from what I 'm seeing , it 's for completely incompetent people to ask questions that they should just fucking GOOGLE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, how the fuck do you program with a mouse?I know people say this about 60\% of "Ask Slashdot" submissions, but how is this question that needs to be crowd sourced?.
What is the purpose of "Ask Slashdot"?
Because, from what I'm seeing, it's for completely incompetent people to ask questions that they should just fucking GOOGLE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646001</id>
	<title>Functional, ergonomic mouse</title>
	<author>harves</author>
	<datestamp>1247161080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a software developer, the biggest risk you'll have is just wearing your hands/arms/wrists out. The "best" device of any kind should be the one which minimises the amount of strain.</p><p>For the mouse, the first thing is to <b>avoid</b> it as much as possible. Learn your keyboard shortcuts. Reaching for the mouse on a regular basis will only strain things. Placing 20 buttons on the mice will only encourage you to use it, when in reality your hands should be staying put on the keyboard.</p><p>The second thing is to get a mouse that places the minimum strain on your arms. I use an Evoluent Vertical Mouse, but I imagine you can find similar (and less extreme?) mice around. I spent a few hundred dollars on physio due to wrist pain, and it didn't go away. I spent $80 on the mouse and the pain evaporated in two weeks. That was the "best" hardware investment I ever made.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a software developer , the biggest risk you 'll have is just wearing your hands/arms/wrists out .
The " best " device of any kind should be the one which minimises the amount of strain.For the mouse , the first thing is to avoid it as much as possible .
Learn your keyboard shortcuts .
Reaching for the mouse on a regular basis will only strain things .
Placing 20 buttons on the mice will only encourage you to use it , when in reality your hands should be staying put on the keyboard.The second thing is to get a mouse that places the minimum strain on your arms .
I use an Evoluent Vertical Mouse , but I imagine you can find similar ( and less extreme ?
) mice around .
I spent a few hundred dollars on physio due to wrist pain , and it did n't go away .
I spent $ 80 on the mouse and the pain evaporated in two weeks .
That was the " best " hardware investment I ever made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a software developer, the biggest risk you'll have is just wearing your hands/arms/wrists out.
The "best" device of any kind should be the one which minimises the amount of strain.For the mouse, the first thing is to avoid it as much as possible.
Learn your keyboard shortcuts.
Reaching for the mouse on a regular basis will only strain things.
Placing 20 buttons on the mice will only encourage you to use it, when in reality your hands should be staying put on the keyboard.The second thing is to get a mouse that places the minimum strain on your arms.
I use an Evoluent Vertical Mouse, but I imagine you can find similar (and less extreme?
) mice around.
I spent a few hundred dollars on physio due to wrist pain, and it didn't go away.
I spent $80 on the mouse and the pain evaporated in two weeks.
That was the "best" hardware investment I ever made.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647817</id>
	<title>VX Nano</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247229600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Logitech VX Nano</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Logitech VX Nano</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Logitech VX Nano</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647885</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247230560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who worries about replacing batteries? I replaced the batteries with a shake-driven torch mechanism. No longer any worries over flat batteries, as every minute I shake the entire mouse violently from side to side, and it works flawlessly. Does perfectly well inside my cool wireless mac mouse too.</p><p>Next project is to adapt my keyboard to the same mechanism, and get the Angry German Kid to work for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who worries about replacing batteries ?
I replaced the batteries with a shake-driven torch mechanism .
No longer any worries over flat batteries , as every minute I shake the entire mouse violently from side to side , and it works flawlessly .
Does perfectly well inside my cool wireless mac mouse too.Next project is to adapt my keyboard to the same mechanism , and get the Angry German Kid to work for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who worries about replacing batteries?
I replaced the batteries with a shake-driven torch mechanism.
No longer any worries over flat batteries, as every minute I shake the entire mouse violently from side to side, and it works flawlessly.
Does perfectly well inside my cool wireless mac mouse too.Next project is to adapt my keyboard to the same mechanism, and get the Angry German Kid to work for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644351</id>
	<title>Re:3M Ergonomic Mouse</title>
	<author>CityZen</author>
	<datestamp>1247143440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm rather fond of this one:</p><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/3M-EM500GPL-Ergonomic-Mouse-EM500GPLLARGE/dp/B00008KWWF" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/3M-EM500GPL-Ergonomic-Mouse-EM500GPLLARGE/dp/B00008KWWF</a> [amazon.com]</p><p>It has a couple of benefits over the EVM:<br>1) it has a base that your hand can rest on.<br>2) the main buttons are thumb-activated, which is good if you were getting pain from finger movement.</p><p>The main disadvantage is the lack of a scroll wheel, but I've gotten so used to button scrolling that I don't find this to be a problem.</p><p>A mouse is a very personal thing, and a new one typically takes some getting used to.  Some people will like it, others will not.</p><p>p.s.  They have a wireless version too now, apparently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm rather fond of this one : http : //www.amazon.com/3M-EM500GPL-Ergonomic-Mouse-EM500GPLLARGE/dp/B00008KWWF [ amazon.com ] It has a couple of benefits over the EVM : 1 ) it has a base that your hand can rest on.2 ) the main buttons are thumb-activated , which is good if you were getting pain from finger movement.The main disadvantage is the lack of a scroll wheel , but I 've gotten so used to button scrolling that I do n't find this to be a problem.A mouse is a very personal thing , and a new one typically takes some getting used to .
Some people will like it , others will not.p.s .
They have a wireless version too now , apparently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm rather fond of this one:http://www.amazon.com/3M-EM500GPL-Ergonomic-Mouse-EM500GPLLARGE/dp/B00008KWWF [amazon.com]It has a couple of benefits over the EVM:1) it has a base that your hand can rest on.2) the main buttons are thumb-activated, which is good if you were getting pain from finger movement.The main disadvantage is the lack of a scroll wheel, but I've gotten so used to button scrolling that I don't find this to be a problem.A mouse is a very personal thing, and a new one typically takes some getting used to.
Some people will like it, others will not.p.s.
They have a wireless version too now, apparently.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646179</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Alpha830RulZ</author>
	<datestamp>1247163540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um, tomato, tomahtoe?  I know a lot of shortcuts, sometimes a mouse is good, too.  How do you capture a line of text in a putty window, without a mouse?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , tomato , tomahtoe ?
I know a lot of shortcuts , sometimes a mouse is good , too .
How do you capture a line of text in a putty window , without a mouse ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, tomato, tomahtoe?
I know a lot of shortcuts, sometimes a mouse is good, too.
How do you capture a line of text in a putty window, without a mouse?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643591</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>Facegarden</author>
	<datestamp>1247139480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries, recharging, or waiting for the mouse to make up from sleep on anything as core to my workflow as a mouse.</p><p>Personally I think that any good gaming mouse works well for coding. You've got your extra buttons (which mostly just give you an extra forward/back in your browser) and good accuracy. I'm a fan of my Razer Diamondback, although by this point the grippy paint they put on it is coming off so it looks a bit shabby.</p><p>I would say with 100 certainty that your keyboard is ten times more important than your mouse for programming. The mouse just has to not get in your way.</p></div><p>Lots of people are hating on wireless, but as long as you don't go bluetooth, you shouldn't have those annoying sleep issues. As far as dying, my home mouse is rechargeable and has a nice base to rest it one once a month or so, and my work mouse just uses AA batteries so I got a $10 charger for my desk and when the batteries die about once a month, I just swap them into the charger for the fresh set, it's pretty painless.</p><p>I do CAD all day so I use my mouse non-stop, and i don't have any of the issues that people are complaining about when it comes to wireless. I'm using logitech laser mouses for the record.<br>-Taylor</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries , recharging , or waiting for the mouse to make up from sleep on anything as core to my workflow as a mouse.Personally I think that any good gaming mouse works well for coding .
You 've got your extra buttons ( which mostly just give you an extra forward/back in your browser ) and good accuracy .
I 'm a fan of my Razer Diamondback , although by this point the grippy paint they put on it is coming off so it looks a bit shabby.I would say with 100 certainty that your keyboard is ten times more important than your mouse for programming .
The mouse just has to not get in your way.Lots of people are hating on wireless , but as long as you do n't go bluetooth , you should n't have those annoying sleep issues .
As far as dying , my home mouse is rechargeable and has a nice base to rest it one once a month or so , and my work mouse just uses AA batteries so I got a $ 10 charger for my desk and when the batteries die about once a month , I just swap them into the charger for the fresh set , it 's pretty painless.I do CAD all day so I use my mouse non-stop , and i do n't have any of the issues that people are complaining about when it comes to wireless .
I 'm using logitech laser mouses for the record.-Taylor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries, recharging, or waiting for the mouse to make up from sleep on anything as core to my workflow as a mouse.Personally I think that any good gaming mouse works well for coding.
You've got your extra buttons (which mostly just give you an extra forward/back in your browser) and good accuracy.
I'm a fan of my Razer Diamondback, although by this point the grippy paint they put on it is coming off so it looks a bit shabby.I would say with 100 certainty that your keyboard is ten times more important than your mouse for programming.
The mouse just has to not get in your way.Lots of people are hating on wireless, but as long as you don't go bluetooth, you shouldn't have those annoying sleep issues.
As far as dying, my home mouse is rechargeable and has a nice base to rest it one once a month or so, and my work mouse just uses AA batteries so I got a $10 charger for my desk and when the batteries die about once a month, I just swap them into the charger for the fresh set, it's pretty painless.I do CAD all day so I use my mouse non-stop, and i don't have any of the issues that people are complaining about when it comes to wireless.
I'm using logitech laser mouses for the record.-Taylor
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648625</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247235780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Posting as Anonymous Coward because I refuse to make an account.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use the mouse at all, or use it minimally.</p></div><p>I work on embedded systems.  Currently I use 4 compilers on Windows, 1 on Linux, java, gcc and Visual Studio.  Each compiler has its own IDE which its own commands and options.  Sure I could learn all of them.  I might even be able to figure out command line options to the compiler.  Why should I remember an Fkey which changes every single IDE I use when I can hit a single pretty little button that compiles, programs the board, and starts my debugging interface.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Posting as Anonymous Coward because I refuse to make an account.Elite programmers should be using an environment where they do n't have to use the mouse at all , or use it minimally.I work on embedded systems .
Currently I use 4 compilers on Windows , 1 on Linux , java , gcc and Visual Studio .
Each compiler has its own IDE which its own commands and options .
Sure I could learn all of them .
I might even be able to figure out command line options to the compiler .
Why should I remember an Fkey which changes every single IDE I use when I can hit a single pretty little button that compiles , programs the board , and starts my debugging interface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Posting as Anonymous Coward because I refuse to make an account.Elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use the mouse at all, or use it minimally.I work on embedded systems.
Currently I use 4 compilers on Windows, 1 on Linux, java, gcc and Visual Studio.
Each compiler has its own IDE which its own commands and options.
Sure I could learn all of them.
I might even be able to figure out command line options to the compiler.
Why should I remember an Fkey which changes every single IDE I use when I can hit a single pretty little button that compiles, programs the board, and starts my debugging interface.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644557</id>
	<title>Logitech RX1500</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247144760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>much better than a trackpoint.<br>logitech rx1500.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>much better than a trackpoint.logitech rx1500 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>much better than a trackpoint.logitech rx1500.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645873</id>
	<title>Best mouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247159160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use a gaming mouse for leveling my programming skill</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a gaming mouse for leveling my programming skill</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a gaming mouse for leveling my programming skill</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642659</id>
	<title>Best mouse operation for programming</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Howdy.</p><p>While taste in mice and features vary, one thing I would vouch for, if you're right handed and have a full keyboard, is to learn to use your mouse with your left hand.  I worked with <a href="http://www.whenpeoplethink.com/genekorienek.html" title="whenpeoplethink.com">Gene Korienek</a> [whenpeoplethink.com] in the early 1990s and we discussed how to optimize mouse motion.  Since the page navigation, Return key, and numeric pad are all on your right side, using your mouse with your left hand will make you more effective for some activities such as using spreadsheets, Photoshop, web surfing, etc.  I went "mouse southpaw" since then -- super-comfortable.</p><p>Now... for programming I use MacVim and a number of plug-ins and extensions.  When I'm programming, unless it's something that's got a GUI or it's iPhone/Mac specific, I seldom use the mouse.  One of the biggest advantages of using a keyboard instead of a mouse is sensory memory.  There are actions in Vim (and possibly TextMate, emacs, etc.) that you can execute automatically, without thinking about the exact key press sequence, and without having to lift your hands off the keyboard.  Check into any of these editors, add the appropriate plug-ins (e.g. "UNIX is my IDE") and see what works best for you.  I went from keyboard-only (TurboPascal, Turbo C, vi/UNIX) to GUI IDE (Smalltalk/V, Symantec Cafe, Visual Studio, IDEA) back to keyboard-only for most programming tasks.  Now my coding is split between keyboard-only (scripting, Java, C, assembler) and GUI/mouse for only a few environments that leave you no other option (Xcode/Interface Builder).</p><p>Cheers!</p><p>E</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Howdy.While taste in mice and features vary , one thing I would vouch for , if you 're right handed and have a full keyboard , is to learn to use your mouse with your left hand .
I worked with Gene Korienek [ whenpeoplethink.com ] in the early 1990s and we discussed how to optimize mouse motion .
Since the page navigation , Return key , and numeric pad are all on your right side , using your mouse with your left hand will make you more effective for some activities such as using spreadsheets , Photoshop , web surfing , etc .
I went " mouse southpaw " since then -- super-comfortable.Now... for programming I use MacVim and a number of plug-ins and extensions .
When I 'm programming , unless it 's something that 's got a GUI or it 's iPhone/Mac specific , I seldom use the mouse .
One of the biggest advantages of using a keyboard instead of a mouse is sensory memory .
There are actions in Vim ( and possibly TextMate , emacs , etc .
) that you can execute automatically , without thinking about the exact key press sequence , and without having to lift your hands off the keyboard .
Check into any of these editors , add the appropriate plug-ins ( e.g .
" UNIX is my IDE " ) and see what works best for you .
I went from keyboard-only ( TurboPascal , Turbo C , vi/UNIX ) to GUI IDE ( Smalltalk/V , Symantec Cafe , Visual Studio , IDEA ) back to keyboard-only for most programming tasks .
Now my coding is split between keyboard-only ( scripting , Java , C , assembler ) and GUI/mouse for only a few environments that leave you no other option ( Xcode/Interface Builder ) .Cheers ! E</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Howdy.While taste in mice and features vary, one thing I would vouch for, if you're right handed and have a full keyboard, is to learn to use your mouse with your left hand.
I worked with Gene Korienek [whenpeoplethink.com] in the early 1990s and we discussed how to optimize mouse motion.
Since the page navigation, Return key, and numeric pad are all on your right side, using your mouse with your left hand will make you more effective for some activities such as using spreadsheets, Photoshop, web surfing, etc.
I went "mouse southpaw" since then -- super-comfortable.Now... for programming I use MacVim and a number of plug-ins and extensions.
When I'm programming, unless it's something that's got a GUI or it's iPhone/Mac specific, I seldom use the mouse.
One of the biggest advantages of using a keyboard instead of a mouse is sensory memory.
There are actions in Vim (and possibly TextMate, emacs, etc.
) that you can execute automatically, without thinking about the exact key press sequence, and without having to lift your hands off the keyboard.
Check into any of these editors, add the appropriate plug-ins (e.g.
"UNIX is my IDE") and see what works best for you.
I went from keyboard-only (TurboPascal, Turbo C, vi/UNIX) to GUI IDE (Smalltalk/V, Symantec Cafe, Visual Studio, IDEA) back to keyboard-only for most programming tasks.
Now my coding is split between keyboard-only (scripting, Java, C, assembler) and GUI/mouse for only a few environments that leave you no other option (Xcode/Interface Builder).Cheers!E</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643037</id>
	<title>Re:KVM?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247137020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've found most KVMs make it so my wireless input devices don't work.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></div><p>Same with 30" monitors. That was a real heartbreaker since I work on a lot of machines each day.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've found most KVMs make it so my wireless input devices do n't work .
: ( Same with 30 " monitors .
That was a real heartbreaker since I work on a lot of machines each day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've found most KVMs make it so my wireless input devices don't work.
:(Same with 30" monitors.
That was a real heartbreaker since I work on a lot of machines each day.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642567</id>
	<title>Me too!</title>
	<author>turgid</author>
	<datestamp>1247135160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Been using one for 6+ years. Won't use anything else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Been using one for 6 + years .
Wo n't use anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Been using one for 6+ years.
Won't use anything else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644141</id>
	<title>Re:IBM Trackpoint</title>
	<author>tuffy</author>
	<datestamp>1247142360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was going to suggest the same thing.  Although I keep a mouse hooked up for cursor-intensive tasks, a Trackpoint is ideal for times when the bulk of one's work is at the keyboard.  As you say, it's the difference between moving one's whole right arm a foot to the right versus extending an index finger about an inch.  It adds up to a lot less strain over a long day's work, in my experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to suggest the same thing .
Although I keep a mouse hooked up for cursor-intensive tasks , a Trackpoint is ideal for times when the bulk of one 's work is at the keyboard .
As you say , it 's the difference between moving one 's whole right arm a foot to the right versus extending an index finger about an inch .
It adds up to a lot less strain over a long day 's work , in my experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to suggest the same thing.
Although I keep a mouse hooked up for cursor-intensive tasks, a Trackpoint is ideal for times when the bulk of one's work is at the keyboard.
As you say, it's the difference between moving one's whole right arm a foot to the right versus extending an index finger about an inch.
It adds up to a lot less strain over a long day's work, in my experience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645813</id>
	<title>Logitech Trackman Marble</title>
	<author>managerialslime</author>
	<datestamp>1247157960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
For people with arthritic fingers or whose digits just tire after hours of intensive scrolling, there is no device I have found as good as the Logitech Trackman Marble (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/trackballs/devices/4680&amp;cl=us,en).<p>

I have been offering this device to users for almost ten years.  For some, it is uncomfortable for a day or two after which users become grateful disciples and permanent customers.</p><p>
Scrolling can be accomplished using any finger with or without bending the finger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For people with arthritic fingers or whose digits just tire after hours of intensive scrolling , there is no device I have found as good as the Logitech Trackman Marble ( http : //www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice \ _pointers/trackballs/devices/4680&amp;cl = us,en ) .
I have been offering this device to users for almost ten years .
For some , it is uncomfortable for a day or two after which users become grateful disciples and permanent customers .
Scrolling can be accomplished using any finger with or without bending the finger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
For people with arthritic fingers or whose digits just tire after hours of intensive scrolling, there is no device I have found as good as the Logitech Trackman Marble (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/trackballs/devices/4680&amp;cl=us,en).
I have been offering this device to users for almost ten years.
For some, it is uncomfortable for a day or two after which users become grateful disciples and permanent customers.
Scrolling can be accomplished using any finger with or without bending the finger.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642499</id>
	<title>Why he asked about the mouse</title>
	<author>Endo13</author>
	<datestamp>1247134980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>C'mon guys, give him a break. After all, he couldn't really ask which keyboard was best for it, now could he?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>C'mon guys , give him a break .
After all , he could n't really ask which keyboard was best for it , now could he ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C'mon guys, give him a break.
After all, he couldn't really ask which keyboard was best for it, now could he?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645001</id>
	<title>Re:KVM?</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1247148600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's odd.  How does the KVM know it's using a wireless mouse?  I'd think the usb/ps2 signal would be the same no matter what sort of mouse it is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's odd .
How does the KVM know it 's using a wireless mouse ?
I 'd think the usb/ps2 signal would be the same no matter what sort of mouse it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's odd.
How does the KVM know it's using a wireless mouse?
I'd think the usb/ps2 signal would be the same no matter what sort of mouse it is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644165</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247142540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you may want to try the logitech g5<br>- it's wired<br>- dual lasers (works on any surface i've tried)<br>- it does have a fair amount of buttons (7), but the middle isn't easy to press<br>- easy to move with one finger and has weight to add<br>- somewhat ergonomic (has a place for the thumb)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you may want to try the logitech g5- it 's wired- dual lasers ( works on any surface i 've tried ) - it does have a fair amount of buttons ( 7 ) , but the middle is n't easy to press- easy to move with one finger and has weight to add- somewhat ergonomic ( has a place for the thumb )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you may want to try the logitech g5- it's wired- dual lasers (works on any surface i've tried)- it does have a fair amount of buttons (7), but the middle isn't easy to press- easy to move with one finger and has weight to add- somewhat ergonomic (has a place for the thumb)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644923</id>
	<title>Re:IBM Trackpoint</title>
	<author>Coward Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247147940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Similarly I use a MacBook Pro with the track pad.<br>The keyboard is pretty good on the machine and two finger scrolling with the trackpad is addictive. And, of course, your hand never needs to move around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Similarly I use a MacBook Pro with the track pad.The keyboard is pretty good on the machine and two finger scrolling with the trackpad is addictive .
And , of course , your hand never needs to move around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Similarly I use a MacBook Pro with the track pad.The keyboard is pretty good on the machine and two finger scrolling with the trackpad is addictive.
And, of course, your hand never needs to move around.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642429</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>elitest</author>
	<datestamp>1247134740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn you beat me to it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn you beat me to it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn you beat me to it!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642665</id>
	<title>Logitech?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Logitech MX5000 wireless Keyboard and Mouse combo.. The mouse is nice since it has quite a lot of buttons (easy 'forward' and 'back' buttons around the thumb) for web navigation<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. I count 11 buttons in total on that mouse. Good charge lifetime and has a 'base' to recharge on maybe once a week.  The keyboard is nice to use, however there is a stutter problem when you first type a key after sitting for a while.. the character will come up two or more times! which is a pain in the ass if you are typing login credentials or something fast before you notice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Logitech MX5000 wireless Keyboard and Mouse combo.. The mouse is nice since it has quite a lot of buttons ( easy 'forward ' and 'back ' buttons around the thumb ) for web navigation .. I count 11 buttons in total on that mouse .
Good charge lifetime and has a 'base ' to recharge on maybe once a week .
The keyboard is nice to use , however there is a stutter problem when you first type a key after sitting for a while.. the character will come up two or more times !
which is a pain in the ass if you are typing login credentials or something fast before you notice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Logitech MX5000 wireless Keyboard and Mouse combo.. The mouse is nice since it has quite a lot of buttons (easy 'forward' and 'back' buttons around the thumb) for web navigation .. I count 11 buttons in total on that mouse.
Good charge lifetime and has a 'base' to recharge on maybe once a week.
The keyboard is nice to use, however there is a stutter problem when you first type a key after sitting for a while.. the character will come up two or more times!
which is a pain in the ass if you are typing login credentials or something fast before you notice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644337</id>
	<title>Programming mouse/gaming mouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247143380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best mouse that meets your needs, would actually be a gaming mouse (macro's, programmable buttons etc), however, wireless is tricky in this area.</p><p>There is a new mouse on the market, "Razer Mamba" http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-mamba/ - meets all your requirements and more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best mouse that meets your needs , would actually be a gaming mouse ( macro 's , programmable buttons etc ) , however , wireless is tricky in this area.There is a new mouse on the market , " Razer Mamba " http : //www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-mamba/ - meets all your requirements and more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best mouse that meets your needs, would actually be a gaming mouse (macro's, programmable buttons etc), however, wireless is tricky in this area.There is a new mouse on the market, "Razer Mamba" http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-mamba/ - meets all your requirements and more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645269</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX Revolution</title>
	<author>cyclocommuter</author>
	<datestamp>1247150940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>+1 on the Logitech MX Revolution... I have the MX5500 Bluetooth version (comes with the Keyboard). A charge can last up to 7 days for me but I usually just put the mouse on its cradle at night so it is fully charged in the morning. Highly programmable but as the others noted, the best feature for me is the ability to switch the mouse wheel to work in click mode (you can feel the detents) or in smooth mode... The wheel is heavy and acts as a flywheel so you can easily flick it and it will scroll for a few seconds... great for scrolling through long documents or for programs written cut and paste style.</p><p>Again as others have noted, the multitude of buttons are a boon. I my case I programmed the button above the scrollwheel to switch tabs (in the IDE or in the browser)... the wheel on the side I programmed to zoom in and out text/images with its middle click to return to normal zoom.</p><p>Finally, the form factor is the best of all the mice I have used so far. It fits my hand perfectly and the weight is just right. I actually like this MX5500 Bluetooth combo so much that I got 3 of them, 2 at home and 1 at work. The Bluetooth also has a very long range such that I can even use it as a remote control when I want to turn the volume up and down on the media player while riding my stationary bike.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 on the Logitech MX Revolution... I have the MX5500 Bluetooth version ( comes with the Keyboard ) .
A charge can last up to 7 days for me but I usually just put the mouse on its cradle at night so it is fully charged in the morning .
Highly programmable but as the others noted , the best feature for me is the ability to switch the mouse wheel to work in click mode ( you can feel the detents ) or in smooth mode... The wheel is heavy and acts as a flywheel so you can easily flick it and it will scroll for a few seconds... great for scrolling through long documents or for programs written cut and paste style.Again as others have noted , the multitude of buttons are a boon .
I my case I programmed the button above the scrollwheel to switch tabs ( in the IDE or in the browser ) ... the wheel on the side I programmed to zoom in and out text/images with its middle click to return to normal zoom.Finally , the form factor is the best of all the mice I have used so far .
It fits my hand perfectly and the weight is just right .
I actually like this MX5500 Bluetooth combo so much that I got 3 of them , 2 at home and 1 at work .
The Bluetooth also has a very long range such that I can even use it as a remote control when I want to turn the volume up and down on the media player while riding my stationary bike .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 on the Logitech MX Revolution... I have the MX5500 Bluetooth version (comes with the Keyboard).
A charge can last up to 7 days for me but I usually just put the mouse on its cradle at night so it is fully charged in the morning.
Highly programmable but as the others noted, the best feature for me is the ability to switch the mouse wheel to work in click mode (you can feel the detents) or in smooth mode... The wheel is heavy and acts as a flywheel so you can easily flick it and it will scroll for a few seconds... great for scrolling through long documents or for programs written cut and paste style.Again as others have noted, the multitude of buttons are a boon.
I my case I programmed the button above the scrollwheel to switch tabs (in the IDE or in the browser)... the wheel on the side I programmed to zoom in and out text/images with its middle click to return to normal zoom.Finally, the form factor is the best of all the mice I have used so far.
It fits my hand perfectly and the weight is just right.
I actually like this MX5500 Bluetooth combo so much that I got 3 of them, 2 at home and 1 at work.
The Bluetooth also has a very long range such that I can even use it as a remote control when I want to turn the volume up and down on the media player while riding my stationary bike.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642449</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643907</id>
	<title>Re:Touch Point</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1247140980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IMO, it's better than a trackpad, but still sucks in comparison to a mouse or trackball. You can either have the acceleration &amp; speed set slow enough that you get precision or high enough to make using it not painfully slow to cross the screen, but, at least at my level of skill, not both. It's okay if you're using the laptop as a laptop (e.g. on a plane as someone else suggested) but I would quit a job where I was at a desk using it all day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMO , it 's better than a trackpad , but still sucks in comparison to a mouse or trackball .
You can either have the acceleration &amp; speed set slow enough that you get precision or high enough to make using it not painfully slow to cross the screen , but , at least at my level of skill , not both .
It 's okay if you 're using the laptop as a laptop ( e.g .
on a plane as someone else suggested ) but I would quit a job where I was at a desk using it all day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMO, it's better than a trackpad, but still sucks in comparison to a mouse or trackball.
You can either have the acceleration &amp; speed set slow enough that you get precision or high enough to make using it not painfully slow to cross the screen, but, at least at my level of skill, not both.
It's okay if you're using the laptop as a laptop (e.g.
on a plane as someone else suggested) but I would quit a job where I was at a desk using it all day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642721</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645289</id>
	<title>Logitech MX Revolution</title>
	<author>rj\_sherman</author>
	<datestamp>1247151120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>   I have been using the logitech MX Revolution for a few years now and i have never had a problem with it.  It has a great feel and with the ability to flick the scroll wheel and spin down a long page of code you can move around the page very quickly.  Best mouse i have ever used.  I am thinking about buying another one for my laptop.  Kinda pricey but the battery life is really good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been using the logitech MX Revolution for a few years now and i have never had a problem with it .
It has a great feel and with the ability to flick the scroll wheel and spin down a long page of code you can move around the page very quickly .
Best mouse i have ever used .
I am thinking about buying another one for my laptop .
Kinda pricey but the battery life is really good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>   I have been using the logitech MX Revolution for a few years now and i have never had a problem with it.
It has a great feel and with the ability to flick the scroll wheel and spin down a long page of code you can move around the page very quickly.
Best mouse i have ever used.
I am thinking about buying another one for my laptop.
Kinda pricey but the battery life is really good.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28651397</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247247240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Logitech MX1000 is the best mouse for the money.</p><p>not to light or heavy.  Long battery life.  Wireless.  Laser.  10 buttons.  Easy to config.  feels good in hand.  works on almost any surface. decent charge time.  My current MX1000 is over 2 years old still holds a charge for 72 hours of HEAVY usage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Logitech MX1000 is the best mouse for the money.not to light or heavy .
Long battery life .
Wireless. Laser .
10 buttons .
Easy to config .
feels good in hand .
works on almost any surface .
decent charge time .
My current MX1000 is over 2 years old still holds a charge for 72 hours of HEAVY usage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Logitech MX1000 is the best mouse for the money.not to light or heavy.
Long battery life.
Wireless.  Laser.
10 buttons.
Easy to config.
feels good in hand.
works on almost any surface.
decent charge time.
My current MX1000 is over 2 years old still holds a charge for 72 hours of HEAVY usage.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643587</id>
	<title>Re:Hack the Gibson!</title>
	<author>enrevanche</author>
	<datestamp>1247139420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Virtual albino mice are useful for viral assessments.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Virtual albino mice are useful for viral assessments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Virtual albino mice are useful for viral assessments.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642463</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642539</id>
	<title>mx revolution</title>
	<author>Joe U</author>
	<datestamp>1247135040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm enjoying my Logitech MX Revolution, has 3 buttons, a thumbwheel and a scrollwheel with swivel(so, 5 buttons total).</p><p>The click lock is the best feature for the scroll wheel. I hate not having it on my other system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm enjoying my Logitech MX Revolution , has 3 buttons , a thumbwheel and a scrollwheel with swivel ( so , 5 buttons total ) .The click lock is the best feature for the scroll wheel .
I hate not having it on my other system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm enjoying my Logitech MX Revolution, has 3 buttons, a thumbwheel and a scrollwheel with swivel(so, 5 buttons total).The click lock is the best feature for the scroll wheel.
I hate not having it on my other system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648731</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247236440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you're saying that elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use a computer much at all?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you 're saying that elite programmers should be using an environment where they do n't have to use a computer much at all ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you're saying that elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use a computer much at all?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642831</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648661</id>
	<title>mouses are clumsy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247235960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use a track pad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use a track pad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use a track pad.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646147</id>
	<title>SlimBlade Media Notebook Set</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247163000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SlimBlade Media Mouse: http://us.kensington.com/html/14488.html<br>SlimBlade Media Notebook Set: http://us.kensington.com/html/13872.html</p><p>The mouse has an Apple style 360 middle ball and the keyboard has no number pad, fast short throw keys and both an Apple command key and a Windows button.  These three features and their performant software literally improve my speed and physical comfort more than do Logitech's wired game-grade products which I also have but do not use in favor of Kensington's Media Notebook Set.  I run Linux and VNC into Linux, Windows, and OS-X boxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SlimBlade Media Mouse : http : //us.kensington.com/html/14488.htmlSlimBlade Media Notebook Set : http : //us.kensington.com/html/13872.htmlThe mouse has an Apple style 360 middle ball and the keyboard has no number pad , fast short throw keys and both an Apple command key and a Windows button .
These three features and their performant software literally improve my speed and physical comfort more than do Logitech 's wired game-grade products which I also have but do not use in favor of Kensington 's Media Notebook Set .
I run Linux and VNC into Linux , Windows , and OS-X boxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SlimBlade Media Mouse: http://us.kensington.com/html/14488.htmlSlimBlade Media Notebook Set: http://us.kensington.com/html/13872.htmlThe mouse has an Apple style 360 middle ball and the keyboard has no number pad, fast short throw keys and both an Apple command key and a Windows button.
These three features and their performant software literally improve my speed and physical comfort more than do Logitech's wired game-grade products which I also have but do not use in favor of Kensington's Media Notebook Set.
I run Linux and VNC into Linux, Windows, and OS-X boxes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643503</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Pajaro</author>
	<datestamp>1247139060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, that's not so much the issue as the question: why are you using the mouse for?</p><p>If you need the mouse to select code for copy/pasting, you most probably are duplicating code needlessly.</p><p>For moving the windows around? That might be useful, but as many have said, it might actually be faster with the keyboard.</p><p>Well yes, your habits with the mouse MIGHT be faster but we all seriously doubt it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that 's not so much the issue as the question : why are you using the mouse for ? If you need the mouse to select code for copy/pasting , you most probably are duplicating code needlessly.For moving the windows around ?
That might be useful , but as many have said , it might actually be faster with the keyboard.Well yes , your habits with the mouse MIGHT be faster but we all seriously doubt it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that's not so much the issue as the question: why are you using the mouse for?If you need the mouse to select code for copy/pasting, you most probably are duplicating code needlessly.For moving the windows around?
That might be useful, but as many have said, it might actually be faster with the keyboard.Well yes, your habits with the mouse MIGHT be faster but we all seriously doubt it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642393</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642513</id>
	<title>Trackball</title>
	<author>BubbaDoom</author>
	<datestamp>1247135040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wireless or not doesn't matter.<br>
Small footprint for usage.<br>
Easy to clean by popping out trackball.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wireless or not does n't matter .
Small footprint for usage .
Easy to clean by popping out trackball .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wireless or not doesn't matter.
Small footprint for usage.
Easy to clean by popping out trackball.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644525</id>
	<title>Re:KVM?</title>
	<author>Phroggy</author>
	<datestamp>1247144520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, does anyone know of a KVM switch that works with Dual-Link DVI?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , does anyone know of a KVM switch that works with Dual-Link DVI ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, does anyone know of a KVM switch that works with Dual-Link DVI?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643037</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644511</id>
	<title>Re:Invalid Question...I am afraid.</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1247144460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Who will say what language is best for a particular kind of programming?"</p><p>Me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Who will say what language is best for a particular kind of programming ?
" Me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Who will say what language is best for a particular kind of programming?
"Me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642697</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643513</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>mwvdlee</author>
	<datestamp>1247139120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>My "programmer mouse" is essentially the exact opposite of what TFA claims to be a good mouse;<br>- Wired so it will always work. I don't want to have to think about recharging it.<br>- Mechanical so it always responds in a reliable way. I have yet to find a led/laser mouse that works reliable all the time, every time.<br>- Few buttons so I don't have to think which button to press. My previous mouse was a wheelmouse where I disabled the wheel button in hardware; I was accidentally pressing it so I'd rather not have the button at all.<br>- Lightweight so I can quickly move it with the tip of my finger without actually having to grip it, meaning I can get back to the keyboard sooner.<br>- No "ergonomic" design, same reason as the weight. Besides, sometimes I use my mouse left-handed.<br>The general theme is that I want my input devices to require as little effort as possible. A user should be thinking about WHAT he wants to input, not HOW.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>My " programmer mouse " is essentially the exact opposite of what TFA claims to be a good mouse ; - Wired so it will always work .
I do n't want to have to think about recharging it.- Mechanical so it always responds in a reliable way .
I have yet to find a led/laser mouse that works reliable all the time , every time.- Few buttons so I do n't have to think which button to press .
My previous mouse was a wheelmouse where I disabled the wheel button in hardware ; I was accidentally pressing it so I 'd rather not have the button at all.- Lightweight so I can quickly move it with the tip of my finger without actually having to grip it , meaning I can get back to the keyboard sooner.- No " ergonomic " design , same reason as the weight .
Besides , sometimes I use my mouse left-handed.The general theme is that I want my input devices to require as little effort as possible .
A user should be thinking about WHAT he wants to input , not HOW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My "programmer mouse" is essentially the exact opposite of what TFA claims to be a good mouse;- Wired so it will always work.
I don't want to have to think about recharging it.- Mechanical so it always responds in a reliable way.
I have yet to find a led/laser mouse that works reliable all the time, every time.- Few buttons so I don't have to think which button to press.
My previous mouse was a wheelmouse where I disabled the wheel button in hardware; I was accidentally pressing it so I'd rather not have the button at all.- Lightweight so I can quickly move it with the tip of my finger without actually having to grip it, meaning I can get back to the keyboard sooner.- No "ergonomic" design, same reason as the weight.
Besides, sometimes I use my mouse left-handed.The general theme is that I want my input devices to require as little effort as possible.
A user should be thinking about WHAT he wants to input, not HOW.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642393</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645879</id>
	<title>Trackball...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247159220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Use a trackball (e.g. Logitech Marble Mouse) for a couple of days whilst coding.<br>I doubt you'll go back.</p><p>You get a high precision with a trackball combined with the fact that you don't need to shunt your arm around to move the pointer - obviously your fingertips have much finer motor control than your shoulder/arm. For me it seems to really suit my use patterns when coding.</p><p>Gaming etc is another matter - have to use a mouse for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Use a trackball ( e.g .
Logitech Marble Mouse ) for a couple of days whilst coding.I doubt you 'll go back.You get a high precision with a trackball combined with the fact that you do n't need to shunt your arm around to move the pointer - obviously your fingertips have much finer motor control than your shoulder/arm .
For me it seems to really suit my use patterns when coding.Gaming etc is another matter - have to use a mouse for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use a trackball (e.g.
Logitech Marble Mouse) for a couple of days whilst coding.I doubt you'll go back.You get a high precision with a trackball combined with the fact that you don't need to shunt your arm around to move the pointer - obviously your fingertips have much finer motor control than your shoulder/arm.
For me it seems to really suit my use patterns when coding.Gaming etc is another matter - have to use a mouse for that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28651415</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247247360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But that's not the problem. If the electricity if out you can't use your desktop..... Unless you've attached a generator made from your old car engine to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But that 's not the problem .
If the electricity if out you ca n't use your desktop..... Unless you 've attached a generator made from your old car engine to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But that's not the problem.
If the electricity if out you can't use your desktop..... Unless you've attached a generator made from your old car engine to it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642809</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648765</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247236620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That Eclipse requires mousing makes it broken by design rather than some shining example of a modern IDE that *requires* a mouse. The only time you ever *need* a mouse is for operations that require freehand dragging of the cursor (drawing, gaming etc).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That Eclipse requires mousing makes it broken by design rather than some shining example of a modern IDE that * requires * a mouse .
The only time you ever * need * a mouse is for operations that require freehand dragging of the cursor ( drawing , gaming etc ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That Eclipse requires mousing makes it broken by design rather than some shining example of a modern IDE that *requires* a mouse.
The only time you ever *need* a mouse is for operations that require freehand dragging of the cursor (drawing, gaming etc).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646245</id>
	<title>Re:Why a mouse?</title>
	<author>inject\_hotmail.com</author>
	<datestamp>1247164620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.filemaker.com/" title="filemaker.com">Not all of them.</a> [filemaker.com], unfortunately.  This one is mostly mouse.  You can ask my carpel tunnel to explain.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not all of them .
[ filemaker.com ] , unfortunately .
This one is mostly mouse .
You can ask my carpel tunnel to explain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not all of them.
[filemaker.com], unfortunately.
This one is mostly mouse.
You can ask my carpel tunnel to explain.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28649411</id>
	<title>take this advice</title>
	<author>mehemiah</author>
	<datestamp>1247239260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even john Guber, a mac user, sais, " every time you move your hand from the keyboard to the mouse, god kills a hamster." It might have been someone a different <a href="http://www.mac-developer-network.com/" title="mac-develo...etwork.com" rel="nofollow"> mac programmer </a> [mac-develo...etwork.com]. Any way, EVERY IDE, and programmers text editor makes provisions for you to use the mouse as little as possible: from allowing EMACS or VI(M) bindings or just having good keybindings in the first place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even john Guber , a mac user , sais , " every time you move your hand from the keyboard to the mouse , god kills a hamster .
" It might have been someone a different mac programmer [ mac-develo...etwork.com ] .
Any way , EVERY IDE , and programmers text editor makes provisions for you to use the mouse as little as possible : from allowing EMACS or VI ( M ) bindings or just having good keybindings in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even john Guber, a mac user, sais, " every time you move your hand from the keyboard to the mouse, god kills a hamster.
" It might have been someone a different  mac programmer  [mac-develo...etwork.com].
Any way, EVERY IDE, and programmers text editor makes provisions for you to use the mouse as little as possible: from allowing EMACS or VI(M) bindings or just having good keybindings in the first place.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642623</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GVIM, Eclipse with VI key bindings, Komodo with VI key bindings,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... etc.  How can you post on slashdot without a mouse =) ?</p><p>In response TFA, if your wrist hurts, get a trackball mouse.  Otherwise, find one that fits your hand comfortably.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GVIM , Eclipse with VI key bindings , Komodo with VI key bindings , ... etc. How can you post on slashdot without a mouse = ) ? In response TFA , if your wrist hurts , get a trackball mouse .
Otherwise , find one that fits your hand comfortably .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GVIM, Eclipse with VI key bindings, Komodo with VI key bindings, ... etc.  How can you post on slashdot without a mouse =) ?In response TFA, if your wrist hurts, get a trackball mouse.
Otherwise, find one that fits your hand comfortably.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642359</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643869</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1247140800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>These point-and-click developers and system administrators need to actually learn what it is they are doing underneath that click.</i></p><p>I agree. That's why I program machine code in hexl mode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These point-and-click developers and system administrators need to actually learn what it is they are doing underneath that click.I agree .
That 's why I program machine code in hexl mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These point-and-click developers and system administrators need to actually learn what it is they are doing underneath that click.I agree.
That's why I program machine code in hexl mode.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642679</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645979</id>
	<title>Re:MX Revolution for me - EXTREAME SCROLLING</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247160840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot to mention probably the best feature of this wheel for programming.  The main scroll wheel is able to disengage notchyness and freewheel through your code at an outstanding rate.  Also good for slashdot skimming.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Oh, and the second central button automatically searches any selected text in your favorite search engine, which can be good as it works within any app.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot to mention probably the best feature of this wheel for programming .
The main scroll wheel is able to disengage notchyness and freewheel through your code at an outstanding rate .
Also good for slashdot skimming .
: ) Oh , and the second central button automatically searches any selected text in your favorite search engine , which can be good as it works within any app .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot to mention probably the best feature of this wheel for programming.
The main scroll wheel is able to disengage notchyness and freewheel through your code at an outstanding rate.
Also good for slashdot skimming.
:)Oh, and the second central button automatically searches any selected text in your favorite search engine, which can be good as it works within any app.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642507</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647259</id>
	<title>Re:Why a mouse?</title>
	<author>SmilingBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1247220960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Huh? Aren't macros recorded with the mouse?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh ?
Are n't macros recorded with the mouse ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh?
Aren't macros recorded with the mouse?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643945</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX Revolution</title>
	<author>an unsound mind</author>
	<datestamp>1247141220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have the MX Revolution. Lasts 36 hours of nonstop use, an excellent scroll wheel, none of the usual lag / movement problems of normal wireless mice.</p><p>It does have it's problems though. The thumb wheel cannot be used for multiple-key shortcut combos, and the scrolling software bugs so badly you want one setting for all applications. And oh, if you have a cat, you'll want a can of pressurized air handy to clean the laser, otherwise the mouse will start moving erratically.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have the MX Revolution .
Lasts 36 hours of nonstop use , an excellent scroll wheel , none of the usual lag / movement problems of normal wireless mice.It does have it 's problems though .
The thumb wheel can not be used for multiple-key shortcut combos , and the scrolling software bugs so badly you want one setting for all applications .
And oh , if you have a cat , you 'll want a can of pressurized air handy to clean the laser , otherwise the mouse will start moving erratically .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have the MX Revolution.
Lasts 36 hours of nonstop use, an excellent scroll wheel, none of the usual lag / movement problems of normal wireless mice.It does have it's problems though.
The thumb wheel cannot be used for multiple-key shortcut combos, and the scrolling software bugs so badly you want one setting for all applications.
And oh, if you have a cat, you'll want a can of pressurized air handy to clean the laser, otherwise the mouse will start moving erratically.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642449</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645967</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>cgenman</author>
	<datestamp>1247160600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Minimally does not mean "not at all."  You still need to use the mouse to interact with your desktop environment, open PDF's from your clients, and test your application.  Mice also can provide programmable buttons, which can be helpful if you need to run series of events off of one button and perhaps need something between system calls and an Auto Hot Keys script.  And, just in general, not everyone remembers every shortcut key command all the friggin' time.</p><p>Personally I use a <a href="http://www.newtonperipherals.com/mogo\_mouseX54pro.html" title="newtonperipherals.com">Mogo Mouse</a> [newtonperipherals.com] because it stores convieniently inside of the laptop, and contains a handy laser for scorching the eyes of your enemies.  Also I'm lazy and forget to bring other mice with me.</p><p>And Elite programmers don't call themselves Elite programmers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Minimally does not mean " not at all .
" You still need to use the mouse to interact with your desktop environment , open PDF 's from your clients , and test your application .
Mice also can provide programmable buttons , which can be helpful if you need to run series of events off of one button and perhaps need something between system calls and an Auto Hot Keys script .
And , just in general , not everyone remembers every shortcut key command all the friggin ' time.Personally I use a Mogo Mouse [ newtonperipherals.com ] because it stores convieniently inside of the laptop , and contains a handy laser for scorching the eyes of your enemies .
Also I 'm lazy and forget to bring other mice with me.And Elite programmers do n't call themselves Elite programmers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Minimally does not mean "not at all.
"  You still need to use the mouse to interact with your desktop environment, open PDF's from your clients, and test your application.
Mice also can provide programmable buttons, which can be helpful if you need to run series of events off of one button and perhaps need something between system calls and an Auto Hot Keys script.
And, just in general, not everyone remembers every shortcut key command all the friggin' time.Personally I use a Mogo Mouse [newtonperipherals.com] because it stores convieniently inside of the laptop, and contains a handy laser for scorching the eyes of your enemies.
Also I'm lazy and forget to bring other mice with me.And Elite programmers don't call themselves Elite programmers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642393</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642849</id>
	<title>OT: Best Keyboard?</title>
	<author>TejWC</author>
	<datestamp>1247136240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry for being off-topic, but what do you guys think is the best keyboard out there? I recently got a Model M keyboard (from Unicomp) and I can't say its worth the price. Also, I feel like the newer the keyboard is, the harder it is to program in (due to location of the arrows and/or the buttons gives little tactile feedback). Anybody else feel the same way?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry for being off-topic , but what do you guys think is the best keyboard out there ?
I recently got a Model M keyboard ( from Unicomp ) and I ca n't say its worth the price .
Also , I feel like the newer the keyboard is , the harder it is to program in ( due to location of the arrows and/or the buttons gives little tactile feedback ) .
Anybody else feel the same way ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry for being off-topic, but what do you guys think is the best keyboard out there?
I recently got a Model M keyboard (from Unicomp) and I can't say its worth the price.
Also, I feel like the newer the keyboard is, the harder it is to program in (due to location of the arrows and/or the buttons gives little tactile feedback).
Anybody else feel the same way?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642835</id>
	<title>The same mouse you would use for proper gaming</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1247136180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Logitech MX series.<br><br>Light, precise, lot of programmable buttons and lag free.<br><br>Do not use wireless if you need reliability.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Logitech MX series.Light , precise , lot of programmable buttons and lag free.Do not use wireless if you need reliability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Logitech MX series.Light, precise, lot of programmable buttons and lag free.Do not use wireless if you need reliability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642375</id>
	<title>KVM?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've found most KVMs make it so my wireless input devices don't work.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've found most KVMs make it so my wireless input devices do n't work .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've found most KVMs make it so my wireless input devices don't work.
:(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642741</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly.  Nothing is more painful than being paired up with a "developer" that is trying to code using a mouse and having them work at half to quarter speed of a person who actually knows how to use keyboard shortcuts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
Nothing is more painful than being paired up with a " developer " that is trying to code using a mouse and having them work at half to quarter speed of a person who actually knows how to use keyboard shortcuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
Nothing is more painful than being paired up with a "developer" that is trying to code using a mouse and having them work at half to quarter speed of a person who actually knows how to use keyboard shortcuts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28672709</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>computrius</author>
	<datestamp>1247421300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He isnt saying you dont need a mouse.  He is saying WTF is a programming mouse vs just a frigging mouse.  Its just plain stupid..  A mouse is a mouse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He isnt saying you dont need a mouse .
He is saying WTF is a programming mouse vs just a frigging mouse .
Its just plain stupid.. A mouse is a mouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He isnt saying you dont need a mouse.
He is saying WTF is a programming mouse vs just a frigging mouse.
Its just plain stupid..  A mouse is a mouse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642713</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645783</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>dcam</author>
	<datestamp>1247157540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In addition, every wireless mouse I've had (2 microsoft and about 6 logitech) has suffered from the the following problems:<br>
&nbsp; * Occasionally jumping<br>
&nbsp; * lag on wakeup time<br>
&nbsp; * flakey connection</p><p>And yes I have been following all the best practices in placing base stations etc.</p><p>Echoing the parent, get a Razor mouse. The razor coperhead mouse I have is the best mouse I've ever used. More recent models may be better still.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition , every wireless mouse I 've had ( 2 microsoft and about 6 logitech ) has suffered from the the following problems :   * Occasionally jumping   * lag on wakeup time   * flakey connectionAnd yes I have been following all the best practices in placing base stations etc.Echoing the parent , get a Razor mouse .
The razor coperhead mouse I have is the best mouse I 've ever used .
More recent models may be better still .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition, every wireless mouse I've had (2 microsoft and about 6 logitech) has suffered from the the following problems:
  * Occasionally jumping
  * lag on wakeup time
  * flakey connectionAnd yes I have been following all the best practices in placing base stations etc.Echoing the parent, get a Razor mouse.
The razor coperhead mouse I have is the best mouse I've ever used.
More recent models may be better still.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645659</id>
	<title>MS Trackball Explorer</title>
	<author>Cyrano de Maniac</author>
	<datestamp>1247154480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget a mouse, forget wireless unless you're using a laptop.</p><p>The best dang "mouse" I've ever found is a Microsoft Trackball Explorer.  Five buttons plus scrollwheel.  I've used xmodmap to remap the buttons to help alleviate some nascent carpal tunnel symptoms.  I own two of them, using one at work, and one at home.  It does tend to get a bit gummed up on the trackball bearings, but about once a week I just swab around them with whatever pointy object is handy (paper clip, pen, thumbtack), and all is well.  It'd probably help if I didn't eat junk food while working on the computer, and thus get all that goo on the trackball itself.</p><p>Unfortunately they stopped making it a few years ago.  And when I say "unfortunately", know full well that I refuse to give Microsoft a dime for anything other than Trackball Explorers and keyboards, so you know the Trackball Explorer has to be awesome to overcome my loathing of Redmond.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget a mouse , forget wireless unless you 're using a laptop.The best dang " mouse " I 've ever found is a Microsoft Trackball Explorer .
Five buttons plus scrollwheel .
I 've used xmodmap to remap the buttons to help alleviate some nascent carpal tunnel symptoms .
I own two of them , using one at work , and one at home .
It does tend to get a bit gummed up on the trackball bearings , but about once a week I just swab around them with whatever pointy object is handy ( paper clip , pen , thumbtack ) , and all is well .
It 'd probably help if I did n't eat junk food while working on the computer , and thus get all that goo on the trackball itself.Unfortunately they stopped making it a few years ago .
And when I say " unfortunately " , know full well that I refuse to give Microsoft a dime for anything other than Trackball Explorers and keyboards , so you know the Trackball Explorer has to be awesome to overcome my loathing of Redmond .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget a mouse, forget wireless unless you're using a laptop.The best dang "mouse" I've ever found is a Microsoft Trackball Explorer.
Five buttons plus scrollwheel.
I've used xmodmap to remap the buttons to help alleviate some nascent carpal tunnel symptoms.
I own two of them, using one at work, and one at home.
It does tend to get a bit gummed up on the trackball bearings, but about once a week I just swab around them with whatever pointy object is handy (paper clip, pen, thumbtack), and all is well.
It'd probably help if I didn't eat junk food while working on the computer, and thus get all that goo on the trackball itself.Unfortunately they stopped making it a few years ago.
And when I say "unfortunately", know full well that I refuse to give Microsoft a dime for anything other than Trackball Explorers and keyboards, so you know the Trackball Explorer has to be awesome to overcome my loathing of Redmond.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643621</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247139600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The mouse will always be important, and that doesn't change just because you are doing some typing.</p><p>My weapon of choice is the Logitech Revolution (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/130&amp;cl=US,EN).  The biggest plus is the dual mode scroll wheel, by clicking it you can engage or disengage the "clickyness" of the wheel allowing you to just spin it freely.  Words cannot express how useful this is - it is something you have to try.</p><p>As well, this mouse has a myriad of buttons and wheels you can make use of.  The first thing I would suggest is to get the altered driver UberOptions (http://www.mstarmetro.net/users/rlowens/) and program the "search" button to middle click.  After that you can do whatever you want.  I personally don't make huge use of the buttons aside from forward/back; however, if you use multiple monitors (I have three) you can program the second wheel to shift windows across monitors which is nice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The mouse will always be important , and that does n't change just because you are doing some typing.My weapon of choice is the Logitech Revolution ( http : //www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice \ _pointers/mice/devices/130&amp;cl = US,EN ) .
The biggest plus is the dual mode scroll wheel , by clicking it you can engage or disengage the " clickyness " of the wheel allowing you to just spin it freely .
Words can not express how useful this is - it is something you have to try.As well , this mouse has a myriad of buttons and wheels you can make use of .
The first thing I would suggest is to get the altered driver UberOptions ( http : //www.mstarmetro.net/users/rlowens/ ) and program the " search " button to middle click .
After that you can do whatever you want .
I personally do n't make huge use of the buttons aside from forward/back ; however , if you use multiple monitors ( I have three ) you can program the second wheel to shift windows across monitors which is nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mouse will always be important, and that doesn't change just because you are doing some typing.My weapon of choice is the Logitech Revolution (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/130&amp;cl=US,EN).
The biggest plus is the dual mode scroll wheel, by clicking it you can engage or disengage the "clickyness" of the wheel allowing you to just spin it freely.
Words cannot express how useful this is - it is something you have to try.As well, this mouse has a myriad of buttons and wheels you can make use of.
The first thing I would suggest is to get the altered driver UberOptions (http://www.mstarmetro.net/users/rlowens/) and program the "search" button to middle click.
After that you can do whatever you want.
I personally don't make huge use of the buttons aside from forward/back; however, if you use multiple monitors (I have three) you can program the second wheel to shift windows across monitors which is nice.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642393</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28654601</id>
	<title>Re:Are you bored?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247218320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> While we're at it, let's also discuss as well as the best type of wood for desks for programming.</p></div><p>Maple, of course. Silly question.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While we 're at it , let 's also discuss as well as the best type of wood for desks for programming.Maple , of course .
Silly question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> While we're at it, let's also discuss as well as the best type of wood for desks for programming.Maple, of course.
Silly question.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642561</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28649923</id>
	<title>Trust Me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247241240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have used A LOT of mouses, some $100 were used only like five minutes. The best mouse you can use for programming or anything is the wireless logitech G7 but unfortuntely I don't know if you will be able to find it right now. Avoid any bluetooth crap, you can also use logitech G9 but this one is wired. I think there is an updated version of the G7 right now, but be sure it uses the 2.4Ghz tech.</p><p>Isaac Lascasas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have used A LOT of mouses , some $ 100 were used only like five minutes .
The best mouse you can use for programming or anything is the wireless logitech G7 but unfortuntely I do n't know if you will be able to find it right now .
Avoid any bluetooth crap , you can also use logitech G9 but this one is wired .
I think there is an updated version of the G7 right now , but be sure it uses the 2.4Ghz tech.Isaac Lascasas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have used A LOT of mouses, some $100 were used only like five minutes.
The best mouse you can use for programming or anything is the wireless logitech G7 but unfortuntely I don't know if you will be able to find it right now.
Avoid any bluetooth crap, you can also use logitech G9 but this one is wired.
I think there is an updated version of the G7 right now, but be sure it uses the 2.4Ghz tech.Isaac Lascasas.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648297</id>
	<title>any Microsoft mouse</title>
	<author>Klobbersaurus</author>
	<datestamp>1247233800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've always found Microsoft mice to be cheap, sturdy and reliable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always found Microsoft mice to be cheap , sturdy and reliable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always found Microsoft mice to be cheap, sturdy and reliable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643295</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Pajaro</author>
	<datestamp>1247138220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Oh oh! Look at me! I have a lower UID!"</p><p>Big deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Oh oh !
Look at me !
I have a lower UID !
" Big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Oh oh!
Look at me!
I have a lower UID!
"Big deal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642781</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28651093</id>
	<title>Wacom Tablet</title>
	<author>sudnshok</author>
	<datestamp>1247245800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Wacom's smallest tablet (so I can reach any part of my screen without having to move my arm too much).  I hold the pen in my hand even while typing since I don't use my right index finger for typing (I'm a quick 4 finger typist).</p><p>Anyway, I find it really easy to highlight lines of text.  It also has 2 programmable buttons on the pen plus 4 programmable buttons on the tablet.</p><p>Most people give up too quickly on tablets. Making the switch will absolutely slow you down for a week or two, but once you get used to it, you'll never use a mouse again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Wacom 's smallest tablet ( so I can reach any part of my screen without having to move my arm too much ) .
I hold the pen in my hand even while typing since I do n't use my right index finger for typing ( I 'm a quick 4 finger typist ) .Anyway , I find it really easy to highlight lines of text .
It also has 2 programmable buttons on the pen plus 4 programmable buttons on the tablet.Most people give up too quickly on tablets .
Making the switch will absolutely slow you down for a week or two , but once you get used to it , you 'll never use a mouse again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Wacom's smallest tablet (so I can reach any part of my screen without having to move my arm too much).
I hold the pen in my hand even while typing since I don't use my right index finger for typing (I'm a quick 4 finger typist).Anyway, I find it really easy to highlight lines of text.
It also has 2 programmable buttons on the pen plus 4 programmable buttons on the tablet.Most people give up too quickly on tablets.
Making the switch will absolutely slow you down for a week or two, but once you get used to it, you'll never use a mouse again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644859</id>
	<title>Re:IBM Trackpoint</title>
	<author>Vandilizer</author>
	<datestamp>1247147280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These thing are amazing, the server room at work has boxes of them I have one for my personal keyboard. You can also get them <a href="http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/webca/LenovoPortal/en\_CA/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38&amp;Code=31P8950&amp;current-category-id=E9ADAEB6787146E29B78400A33E7FE8A" title="lenovo.com" rel="nofollow">from Lenovo here</a> [lenovo.com] (This is the full flavour version you can also get a compact version as well). A bit pricey they are, but when you can kick back, put you hand on the keyboard and never have to have them leave it is just heaven, not to mention that you don't need a flat space or space at all to move your mouse. They do take geting use to but all who I have got to try them have never looked back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These thing are amazing , the server room at work has boxes of them I have one for my personal keyboard .
You can also get them from Lenovo here [ lenovo.com ] ( This is the full flavour version you can also get a compact version as well ) .
A bit pricey they are , but when you can kick back , put you hand on the keyboard and never have to have them leave it is just heaven , not to mention that you do n't need a flat space or space at all to move your mouse .
They do take geting use to but all who I have got to try them have never looked back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These thing are amazing, the server room at work has boxes of them I have one for my personal keyboard.
You can also get them from Lenovo here [lenovo.com] (This is the full flavour version you can also get a compact version as well).
A bit pricey they are, but when you can kick back, put you hand on the keyboard and never have to have them leave it is just heaven, not to mention that you don't need a flat space or space at all to move your mouse.
They do take geting use to but all who I have got to try them have never looked back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642403</id>
	<title>we don't need no stinking mouses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mouse? for Programming? unless it's GUI stuff, NO mouse is preferred.  Vi please</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mouse ?
for Programming ?
unless it 's GUI stuff , NO mouse is preferred .
Vi please</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mouse?
for Programming?
unless it's GUI stuff, NO mouse is preferred.
Vi please</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28650571</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247243700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I definitely consider myself a "real" programmer.</p></div><p>Real programmers don't call themselves "real programmers".</p><p>Thanks for telling me about the punch cards and teletypes too. I really value your opinion more now that information has come to light.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I definitely consider myself a " real " programmer.Real programmers do n't call themselves " real programmers " .Thanks for telling me about the punch cards and teletypes too .
I really value your opinion more now that information has come to light .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I definitely consider myself a "real" programmer.Real programmers don't call themselves "real programmers".Thanks for telling me about the punch cards and teletypes too.
I really value your opinion more now that information has come to light.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642559</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28661305</id>
	<title>Re:Why a mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247335680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type\_system" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Wooosh</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wooosh [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wooosh [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642485</id>
	<title>Suggestions</title>
	<author>pantherace</author>
	<datestamp>1247134920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>First of all, I'd suggest not wireless if you are worried about it 'moving' around with you not looking. Almost any wireless mouse I've used does that sometimes, with the exception of Gyration. (Microsoft, Logitech, and several off brands)

Second of all, if you want sturdy feeling, you might go for one of the cases based on the Logitech mx500 (including the G5) or some of the similarly shaped Microsoft mice. (Unless you are left-handed.)

The Logitech mx518 I'm using has at least 3 buttons which can be mapped to something useful. (Intended as forward, back, and app-switch. I think you can remap the +/- resolution buttons, but I haven't bothered)</htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , I 'd suggest not wireless if you are worried about it 'moving ' around with you not looking .
Almost any wireless mouse I 've used does that sometimes , with the exception of Gyration .
( Microsoft , Logitech , and several off brands ) Second of all , if you want sturdy feeling , you might go for one of the cases based on the Logitech mx500 ( including the G5 ) or some of the similarly shaped Microsoft mice .
( Unless you are left-handed .
) The Logitech mx518 I 'm using has at least 3 buttons which can be mapped to something useful .
( Intended as forward , back , and app-switch .
I think you can remap the + /- resolution buttons , but I have n't bothered )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, I'd suggest not wireless if you are worried about it 'moving' around with you not looking.
Almost any wireless mouse I've used does that sometimes, with the exception of Gyration.
(Microsoft, Logitech, and several off brands)

Second of all, if you want sturdy feeling, you might go for one of the cases based on the Logitech mx500 (including the G5) or some of the similarly shaped Microsoft mice.
(Unless you are left-handed.
)

The Logitech mx518 I'm using has at least 3 buttons which can be mapped to something useful.
(Intended as forward, back, and app-switch.
I think you can remap the +/- resolution buttons, but I haven't bothered)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28654017</id>
	<title>Re:Suggestions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247258700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing to do with wireless. I've had wired mice do that as well.</p><p>asdf;lkj<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;lkjas jjfjfjajk kkwwkk<br>sjkfrkw</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing to do with wireless .
I 've had wired mice do that as well.asdf ; lkj ; lkjas jjfjfjajk kkwwkksjkfrkw</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing to do with wireless.
I've had wired mice do that as well.asdf;lkj ;lkjas jjfjfjajk kkwwkksjkfrkw</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642485</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642471</id>
	<title>Trick question?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought it was known that the Kensington Turbo Mouse was the best ever made. My missile Command scores have never been better since I got mine. One at home, one at work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought it was known that the Kensington Turbo Mouse was the best ever made .
My missile Command scores have never been better since I got mine .
One at home , one at work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought it was known that the Kensington Turbo Mouse was the best ever made.
My missile Command scores have never been better since I got mine.
One at home, one at work.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643487</id>
	<title>Re:Are you bored?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247139000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>We can cover mousepads too. <a href="http://func-pads.com/" title="func-pads.com" rel="nofollow">http://func-pads.com/</a> [func-pads.com] let's you customize your own surface and design. Well worth it, and I have more kills in WOW than anyone on my server... Okay no, I don't play WOW, but I use it for programming, and it's easy to keep clean, always tracks well, and has a nice wire holder tat keeps my cable from cutting on the edge of the desk.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We can cover mousepads too .
http : //func-pads.com/ [ func-pads.com ] let 's you customize your own surface and design .
Well worth it , and I have more kills in WOW than anyone on my server... Okay no , I do n't play WOW , but I use it for programming , and it 's easy to keep clean , always tracks well , and has a nice wire holder tat keeps my cable from cutting on the edge of the desk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can cover mousepads too.
http://func-pads.com/ [func-pads.com] let's you customize your own surface and design.
Well worth it, and I have more kills in WOW than anyone on my server... Okay no, I don't play WOW, but I use it for programming, and it's easy to keep clean, always tracks well, and has a nice wire holder tat keeps my cable from cutting on the edge of the desk.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642561</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647911</id>
	<title>Re:Hack the Gibson!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247230800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's what you throw at pacman to stop him from eating your core!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's what you throw at pacman to stop him from eating your core !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's what you throw at pacman to stop him from eating your core!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642463</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642679</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes. Thank you. These point-and-click developers and system administrators need to actually learn what it is they are doing underneath that click.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes .
Thank you .
These point-and-click developers and system administrators need to actually learn what it is they are doing underneath that click .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes.
Thank you.
These point-and-click developers and system administrators need to actually learn what it is they are doing underneath that click.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642359</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28649863</id>
	<title>Logitech Trackman Wheel Optical</title>
	<author>elodoth</author>
	<datestamp>1247241060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I switched to a trackball at home and love it.  Considering picking one up at work.  No real need for wireless with a trackball as you don't move the device.  No huge mousepad needed.  Fits next to my huge IBM Model M keyboard and takes up a little less space that a slim keyboard and normal mouse.  There is a bit of a learning curve, but once you get used to it there is no going back.  Haven't yet tested it with games, but that isn't really my main concern as I've been playing my PS3 and Wii more of late anyways.  It's also REALLY funny when people try to use my computer.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I switched to a trackball at home and love it .
Considering picking one up at work .
No real need for wireless with a trackball as you do n't move the device .
No huge mousepad needed .
Fits next to my huge IBM Model M keyboard and takes up a little less space that a slim keyboard and normal mouse .
There is a bit of a learning curve , but once you get used to it there is no going back .
Have n't yet tested it with games , but that is n't really my main concern as I 've been playing my PS3 and Wii more of late anyways .
It 's also REALLY funny when people try to use my computer .
: D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I switched to a trackball at home and love it.
Considering picking one up at work.
No real need for wireless with a trackball as you don't move the device.
No huge mousepad needed.
Fits next to my huge IBM Model M keyboard and takes up a little less space that a slim keyboard and normal mouse.
There is a bit of a learning curve, but once you get used to it there is no going back.
Haven't yet tested it with games, but that isn't really my main concern as I've been playing my PS3 and Wii more of late anyways.
It's also REALLY funny when people try to use my computer.
:D</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645901</id>
	<title>Re:IBM Trackpoint</title>
	<author>jeisner</author>
	<datestamp>1247159460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I use a keyboard with an IBM trackpoint so i don't keep moving my right hand between keyboard and mouse.</p><p>It takes a little to get used to it, but it worth the try!</p><p><a href="http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/healthycomputing/trkpnt.html" title="ibm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/healthycomputing/trkpnt.html</a> [ibm.com]</p> </div><p>I heartily second this.  I've been using Thinkpads (T-series) for the past 10 years.  The trackpoint is great -- you can navigate quickly and precisely while keeping your hands on the keyboard.  No batteries, wires, or desk space needed.</p><p>It sits in the center of the keyboard, between the G, H, and B keys, where you can reach it with either index finger.  That puts your thumb right over the mouse buttons that are under the spacebar.</p><p>They corrected some early kinks with resistance and calibration, and the trackpoints work about perfectly now.</p><p>It's true that for mouse-heavy activities, like drawing or editing graphics, it still feels a bit more fluid to use a real mouse or a tablet -- I have a lovely Graphire-4 tablet with a pressure-sensitive pen.  But I never seem to use them, because almost everything I do needs the keyboard too, and the context-switch slows me down too much compared to the trackpoint.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a keyboard with an IBM trackpoint so i do n't keep moving my right hand between keyboard and mouse.It takes a little to get used to it , but it worth the try ! http : //www.pc.ibm.com/ww/healthycomputing/trkpnt.html [ ibm.com ] I heartily second this .
I 've been using Thinkpads ( T-series ) for the past 10 years .
The trackpoint is great -- you can navigate quickly and precisely while keeping your hands on the keyboard .
No batteries , wires , or desk space needed.It sits in the center of the keyboard , between the G , H , and B keys , where you can reach it with either index finger .
That puts your thumb right over the mouse buttons that are under the spacebar.They corrected some early kinks with resistance and calibration , and the trackpoints work about perfectly now.It 's true that for mouse-heavy activities , like drawing or editing graphics , it still feels a bit more fluid to use a real mouse or a tablet -- I have a lovely Graphire-4 tablet with a pressure-sensitive pen .
But I never seem to use them , because almost everything I do needs the keyboard too , and the context-switch slows me down too much compared to the trackpoint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a keyboard with an IBM trackpoint so i don't keep moving my right hand between keyboard and mouse.It takes a little to get used to it, but it worth the try!http://www.pc.ibm.com/ww/healthycomputing/trkpnt.html [ibm.com] I heartily second this.
I've been using Thinkpads (T-series) for the past 10 years.
The trackpoint is great -- you can navigate quickly and precisely while keeping your hands on the keyboard.
No batteries, wires, or desk space needed.It sits in the center of the keyboard, between the G, H, and B keys, where you can reach it with either index finger.
That puts your thumb right over the mouse buttons that are under the spacebar.They corrected some early kinks with resistance and calibration, and the trackpoints work about perfectly now.It's true that for mouse-heavy activities, like drawing or editing graphics, it still feels a bit more fluid to use a real mouse or a tablet -- I have a lovely Graphire-4 tablet with a pressure-sensitive pen.
But I never seem to use them, because almost everything I do needs the keyboard too, and the context-switch slows me down too much compared to the trackpoint.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642413</id>
	<title>Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries, recharging, or waiting for the mouse to make up from sleep on anything as core to my workflow as a mouse.</p><p>Personally I think that any good gaming mouse works well for coding. You've got your extra buttons (which mostly just give you an extra forward/back in your browser) and good accuracy. I'm a fan of my Razer Diamondback, although by this point the grippy paint they put on it is coming off so it looks a bit shabby.</p><p>I would say with 100 certainty that your keyboard is ten times more important than your mouse for programming. The mouse just has to not get in your way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries , recharging , or waiting for the mouse to make up from sleep on anything as core to my workflow as a mouse.Personally I think that any good gaming mouse works well for coding .
You 've got your extra buttons ( which mostly just give you an extra forward/back in your browser ) and good accuracy .
I 'm a fan of my Razer Diamondback , although by this point the grippy paint they put on it is coming off so it looks a bit shabby.I would say with 100 certainty that your keyboard is ten times more important than your mouse for programming .
The mouse just has to not get in your way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries, recharging, or waiting for the mouse to make up from sleep on anything as core to my workflow as a mouse.Personally I think that any good gaming mouse works well for coding.
You've got your extra buttons (which mostly just give you an extra forward/back in your browser) and good accuracy.
I'm a fan of my Razer Diamondback, although by this point the grippy paint they put on it is coming off so it looks a bit shabby.I would say with 100 certainty that your keyboard is ten times more important than your mouse for programming.
The mouse just has to not get in your way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642393</id>
	<title>Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>DriedClexler</author>
	<datestamp>1247134620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't this kind of like asking, "What are the best training wheels to use on the Tour de France?"</p><p>Elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use the mouse at all, or use it minimally.  They know key commands for everything, except maybe when you want to test out a mouse feature, in which case you can't assume the user has a cool mouse anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this kind of like asking , " What are the best training wheels to use on the Tour de France ?
" Elite programmers should be using an environment where they do n't have to use the mouse at all , or use it minimally .
They know key commands for everything , except maybe when you want to test out a mouse feature , in which case you ca n't assume the user has a cool mouse anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this kind of like asking, "What are the best training wheels to use on the Tour de France?
"Elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use the mouse at all, or use it minimally.
They know key commands for everything, except maybe when you want to test out a mouse feature, in which case you can't assume the user has a cool mouse anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648461</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>ari\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1247234760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>After going through several wireless mice around 2002-2003, I gave up for a while.  There was enough latency between moving the mouse and the computer reacting to the event that it drove me entirely mad.  In early 2007, I finally found a wireless mouse without that problem.  It's a Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 8000.  I love the mouse as it works perfectly and its laser isn't even in the visible spectrum, another advantage.  However, it has two problems: (1) Putting it on the recharging stand works about 1 out of 1000 times (bad enough that I just use alkaline AA batteries in it); and more annoying, (2) It takes up to 5 minutes to wake up from being inactive for a period of time, no matter the procedure I attempt to use for it.  There are several false starts where it works for up to a full second or so before falling back asleep for another minute, which is just plain obnoxious.  It's good enough for gaming, as long as you never want to start using your computer immediately when you wake up or get home from work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>After going through several wireless mice around 2002-2003 , I gave up for a while .
There was enough latency between moving the mouse and the computer reacting to the event that it drove me entirely mad .
In early 2007 , I finally found a wireless mouse without that problem .
It 's a Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 8000 .
I love the mouse as it works perfectly and its laser is n't even in the visible spectrum , another advantage .
However , it has two problems : ( 1 ) Putting it on the recharging stand works about 1 out of 1000 times ( bad enough that I just use alkaline AA batteries in it ) ; and more annoying , ( 2 ) It takes up to 5 minutes to wake up from being inactive for a period of time , no matter the procedure I attempt to use for it .
There are several false starts where it works for up to a full second or so before falling back asleep for another minute , which is just plain obnoxious .
It 's good enough for gaming , as long as you never want to start using your computer immediately when you wake up or get home from work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After going through several wireless mice around 2002-2003, I gave up for a while.
There was enough latency between moving the mouse and the computer reacting to the event that it drove me entirely mad.
In early 2007, I finally found a wireless mouse without that problem.
It's a Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 8000.
I love the mouse as it works perfectly and its laser isn't even in the visible spectrum, another advantage.
However, it has two problems: (1) Putting it on the recharging stand works about 1 out of 1000 times (bad enough that I just use alkaline AA batteries in it); and more annoying, (2) It takes up to 5 minutes to wake up from being inactive for a period of time, no matter the procedure I attempt to use for it.
There are several false starts where it works for up to a full second or so before falling back asleep for another minute, which is just plain obnoxious.
It's good enough for gaming, as long as you never want to start using your computer immediately when you wake up or get home from work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642413</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646217</id>
	<title>What the deus (ex machina)?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247164140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I concur with everyone else that replied in some variation of: "Mouse for programming? Real programmers don't need mice, just a keypad and a text editor!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I concur with everyone else that replied in some variation of : " Mouse for programming ?
Real programmers do n't need mice , just a keypad and a text editor !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I concur with everyone else that replied in some variation of: "Mouse for programming?
Real programmers don't need mice, just a keypad and a text editor!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643325</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247138340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The question is more like, what is the best in-car ashtray when driving between Brantford and Burlington.</p><p>Answer: Oh try the i-Tray X567. It's the best one ever.</p><p>I have a mouse that fits my hand and I use it for coding, gaming, browsing and other miscellaneous clicking. In most cases, the mouse you're already using happily is the best mouse for activity X.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The question is more like , what is the best in-car ashtray when driving between Brantford and Burlington.Answer : Oh try the i-Tray X567 .
It 's the best one ever.I have a mouse that fits my hand and I use it for coding , gaming , browsing and other miscellaneous clicking .
In most cases , the mouse you 're already using happily is the best mouse for activity X .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question is more like, what is the best in-car ashtray when driving between Brantford and Burlington.Answer: Oh try the i-Tray X567.
It's the best one ever.I have a mouse that fits my hand and I use it for coding, gaming, browsing and other miscellaneous clicking.
In most cases, the mouse you're already using happily is the best mouse for activity X.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642393</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645833</id>
	<title>Re:Why a mouse?</title>
	<author>ignavus</author>
	<datestamp>1247158380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't get why you would need a mouse for programming.. programming languages are typed, no?</p></div><p>No one ever typed in B, the precursor of C.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get why you would need a mouse for programming.. programming languages are typed , no ? No one ever typed in B , the precursor of C .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get why you would need a mouse for programming.. programming languages are typed, no?No one ever typed in B, the precursor of C.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28650933</id>
	<title>Lose the mouse</title>
	<author>rxan</author>
	<datestamp>1247245080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If possible lose the mouse. Programming is always faster when time lost moving your hand between the mouse and keyboard is eliminated. Try using Vim or Emacs and learn the hotkeys. You'll be quick in no time and learn some great text-wrangling.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If possible lose the mouse .
Programming is always faster when time lost moving your hand between the mouse and keyboard is eliminated .
Try using Vim or Emacs and learn the hotkeys .
You 'll be quick in no time and learn some great text-wrangling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If possible lose the mouse.
Programming is always faster when time lost moving your hand between the mouse and keyboard is eliminated.
Try using Vim or Emacs and learn the hotkeys.
You'll be quick in no time and learn some great text-wrangling.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642437</id>
	<title>Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think I've ever heard of any real programmer needing a mouse to code. Is the submitter one of those clueless code mashers flooding the industry that call themselves "developers" that I keep hearing about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think I 've ever heard of any real programmer needing a mouse to code .
Is the submitter one of those clueless code mashers flooding the industry that call themselves " developers " that I keep hearing about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think I've ever heard of any real programmer needing a mouse to code.
Is the submitter one of those clueless code mashers flooding the industry that call themselves "developers" that I keep hearing about?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28650143</id>
	<title>Not that i need a mouse that much...</title>
	<author>Lisandro</author>
	<datestamp>1247242080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...for <i>programming</i>, but for everyday tasks (which include pouring down code), i keep coming back to the <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/mouseandkeyboard/ProductDetails.aspx?pid=009" title="microsoft.com">Microsoft basic optical mouse</a> [microsoft.com]. <b>Very</b> cheap, rugged, accurate and damn comfortable.</p><p>I know bashing Microsoft is sort of a recreational activity here, but they sure sell some nice hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...for programming , but for everyday tasks ( which include pouring down code ) , i keep coming back to the Microsoft basic optical mouse [ microsoft.com ] .
Very cheap , rugged , accurate and damn comfortable.I know bashing Microsoft is sort of a recreational activity here , but they sure sell some nice hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...for programming, but for everyday tasks (which include pouring down code), i keep coming back to the Microsoft basic optical mouse [microsoft.com].
Very cheap, rugged, accurate and damn comfortable.I know bashing Microsoft is sort of a recreational activity here, but they sure sell some nice hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28652875</id>
	<title>Kensington Trackball</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1247253780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since this thread is recognizing the 'real' question, I'll add one of the Kensington Trackballs to the list.</p><p>It doesn't matter that it's wired because you never move it.  It's always where you expect it, it works with large hands, saves on RSI, has lots of buttons, a scroller, and these days they're optical and USB.</p><p>I hate mouses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since this thread is recognizing the 'real ' question , I 'll add one of the Kensington Trackballs to the list.It does n't matter that it 's wired because you never move it .
It 's always where you expect it , it works with large hands , saves on RSI , has lots of buttons , a scroller , and these days they 're optical and USB.I hate mouses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since this thread is recognizing the 'real' question, I'll add one of the Kensington Trackballs to the list.It doesn't matter that it's wired because you never move it.
It's always where you expect it, it works with large hands, saves on RSI, has lots of buttons, a scroller, and these days they're optical and USB.I hate mouses.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642411</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644333</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247143380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not an Elite programmer I guess... I like to use my mouse to scroll through documents, click to exactly the point I want to edit in the source, and navigate the class explorer thingy. To the OP: honestly, best bet is to just try a few mice and see which one feels right. I like the mouse to have a good weight to it and feel solid during any use. The scroll wheel is also very important to me. After you've used a mouse with a good scroll wheel (weighted, multi-mode), you'll never go back. Also, there should be 2 3rd mouse buttons (one separate from the scroll wheel), because I absolutely hate clicking the scroll wheel to hit the 3rd mouse button. It feels clumsy, and half the time I scroll in some direction by accident. If you have a 5 button mouse, then I like to tie the 4th &amp; 5th buttons to copy/paste. I travel alot for personal reasons, so for my own laptop <a href="http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/3271&amp;cl=US,EN" title="logitech.com" rel="nofollow">I use this mouse</a> [logitech.com]. It is probably one of the better mice I have used, but it is targetted at laptop use, so YMMV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not an Elite programmer I guess... I like to use my mouse to scroll through documents , click to exactly the point I want to edit in the source , and navigate the class explorer thingy .
To the OP : honestly , best bet is to just try a few mice and see which one feels right .
I like the mouse to have a good weight to it and feel solid during any use .
The scroll wheel is also very important to me .
After you 've used a mouse with a good scroll wheel ( weighted , multi-mode ) , you 'll never go back .
Also , there should be 2 3rd mouse buttons ( one separate from the scroll wheel ) , because I absolutely hate clicking the scroll wheel to hit the 3rd mouse button .
It feels clumsy , and half the time I scroll in some direction by accident .
If you have a 5 button mouse , then I like to tie the 4th &amp; 5th buttons to copy/paste .
I travel alot for personal reasons , so for my own laptop I use this mouse [ logitech.com ] .
It is probably one of the better mice I have used , but it is targetted at laptop use , so YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not an Elite programmer I guess... I like to use my mouse to scroll through documents, click to exactly the point I want to edit in the source, and navigate the class explorer thingy.
To the OP: honestly, best bet is to just try a few mice and see which one feels right.
I like the mouse to have a good weight to it and feel solid during any use.
The scroll wheel is also very important to me.
After you've used a mouse with a good scroll wheel (weighted, multi-mode), you'll never go back.
Also, there should be 2 3rd mouse buttons (one separate from the scroll wheel), because I absolutely hate clicking the scroll wheel to hit the 3rd mouse button.
It feels clumsy, and half the time I scroll in some direction by accident.
If you have a 5 button mouse, then I like to tie the 4th &amp; 5th buttons to copy/paste.
I travel alot for personal reasons, so for my own laptop I use this mouse [logitech.com].
It is probably one of the better mice I have used, but it is targetted at laptop use, so YMMV.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642393</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642907</id>
	<title>I mostly agree with the "no mouse" people</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1247136480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only time I ever use a mouse is when I'm trying to aim for the middle of a line so I can edit something there (I'm sure real programmers have ways to do this really efficiently with a keyboard but I haven't bothered with them, just using gedit myself). For that your only need is accuracy. How high can you score in an FPS with your mouse? Trackpads are, of course, right at the bottom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only time I ever use a mouse is when I 'm trying to aim for the middle of a line so I can edit something there ( I 'm sure real programmers have ways to do this really efficiently with a keyboard but I have n't bothered with them , just using gedit myself ) .
For that your only need is accuracy .
How high can you score in an FPS with your mouse ?
Trackpads are , of course , right at the bottom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only time I ever use a mouse is when I'm trying to aim for the middle of a line so I can edit something there (I'm sure real programmers have ways to do this really efficiently with a keyboard but I haven't bothered with them, just using gedit myself).
For that your only need is accuracy.
How high can you score in an FPS with your mouse?
Trackpads are, of course, right at the bottom.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28649011</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>beejhuff</author>
	<datestamp>1247237640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know I may get blasted by the MS haters that lurk here, but I have to say the MS / <a href="http://www.razerzone.com/index.php?main\_page=product\_info&amp;products\_id=51" title="razerzone.com">Razer Habu</a> [razerzone.com] I picked up at the local Fry's on sale (1/2 price!) has served me well.  It's "technically" a gaming mouse (or that's how they market it, anyway), but I've found it works really well at high resolutions on my dual displays in both Windows XP &amp; Ubuntu.  I had to do a little bit of configuration in Ubuntu to map all of my keys, but it has 6 programmable keys, great resolution (1600 DPI) and the programmable keys are in positions (IMHO) that really are useful to me whether I'm fraggin zombies in Left 4 Dead or banging out code in Eclipse / VS.</p><p>The one thing that DID bum me out was that the firmware update utility only runs on Windows (or at least it did when I bought it a year or so ago), but I mean, this is a MS product, so I kind of figured that.  Once I updated the FW, though, Ubuntu detected it fine, so I'm not complaining too loudly.</p><p>It's a wired mouse (I'd hate to think how heavy it would be with enough batteries to get that high of a laser DPI), but it does have a really nice long cord and is pretty ergonomic.  YMMV, but that's my 2 cents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I may get blasted by the MS haters that lurk here , but I have to say the MS / Razer Habu [ razerzone.com ] I picked up at the local Fry 's on sale ( 1/2 price !
) has served me well .
It 's " technically " a gaming mouse ( or that 's how they market it , anyway ) , but I 've found it works really well at high resolutions on my dual displays in both Windows XP &amp; Ubuntu .
I had to do a little bit of configuration in Ubuntu to map all of my keys , but it has 6 programmable keys , great resolution ( 1600 DPI ) and the programmable keys are in positions ( IMHO ) that really are useful to me whether I 'm fraggin zombies in Left 4 Dead or banging out code in Eclipse / VS.The one thing that DID bum me out was that the firmware update utility only runs on Windows ( or at least it did when I bought it a year or so ago ) , but I mean , this is a MS product , so I kind of figured that .
Once I updated the FW , though , Ubuntu detected it fine , so I 'm not complaining too loudly.It 's a wired mouse ( I 'd hate to think how heavy it would be with enough batteries to get that high of a laser DPI ) , but it does have a really nice long cord and is pretty ergonomic .
YMMV , but that 's my 2 cents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I may get blasted by the MS haters that lurk here, but I have to say the MS / Razer Habu [razerzone.com] I picked up at the local Fry's on sale (1/2 price!
) has served me well.
It's "technically" a gaming mouse (or that's how they market it, anyway), but I've found it works really well at high resolutions on my dual displays in both Windows XP &amp; Ubuntu.
I had to do a little bit of configuration in Ubuntu to map all of my keys, but it has 6 programmable keys, great resolution (1600 DPI) and the programmable keys are in positions (IMHO) that really are useful to me whether I'm fraggin zombies in Left 4 Dead or banging out code in Eclipse / VS.The one thing that DID bum me out was that the firmware update utility only runs on Windows (or at least it did when I bought it a year or so ago), but I mean, this is a MS product, so I kind of figured that.
Once I updated the FW, though, Ubuntu detected it fine, so I'm not complaining too loudly.It's a wired mouse (I'd hate to think how heavy it would be with enough batteries to get that high of a laser DPI), but it does have a really nice long cord and is pretty ergonomic.
YMMV, but that's my 2 cents.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642413</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642735</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Since when can you use a mouse in Emacs or VI?</p></div><p>VI? Just proving the point, Linux people are snobby idiot savants.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when can you use a mouse in Emacs or VI ? VI ?
Just proving the point , Linux people are snobby idiot savants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when can you use a mouse in Emacs or VI?VI?
Just proving the point, Linux people are snobby idiot savants.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642359</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643087</id>
	<title>Mandatory musts</title>
	<author>treeves</author>
	<datestamp>1247137260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>are for red wines. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Must" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Must</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>are for red wines .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Must [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are for red wines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Must [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642671</id>
	<title>is this ad?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so you want a mouse to do you programming? does you boss know about this ad?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so you want a mouse to do you programming ?
does you boss know about this ad ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so you want a mouse to do you programming?
does you boss know about this ad?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642601</id>
	<title>One Button Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>In that case, I would suggest teh One Button Mouse!</htmltext>
<tokenext>In that case , I would suggest teh One Button Mouse !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In that case, I would suggest teh One Button Mouse!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642359</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644739</id>
	<title>Well this answered mt ask slashdot question</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1247146380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was going to ask:<br>"What question can I ask that so lame as to be pointless, and will still enrage enough people to cause a flamewar?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to ask : " What question can I ask that so lame as to be pointless , and will still enrage enough people to cause a flamewar ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to ask:"What question can I ask that so lame as to be pointless, and will still enrage enough people to cause a flamewar?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648595</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>polar red</author>
	<datestamp>1247235540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WHOOSH</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WHOOSH</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WHOOSH</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645933</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647191</id>
	<title>Re:Are you bored?</title>
	<author>jones\_supa</author>
	<datestamp>1247220180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...or the best programming hair style.</p><p>This is as unimportant as those "unboxing" articles where they inspect throughly how some gadget is packed. It makes me feel more and more that computers have just gotten "good enough" and people can get most of stuff they need fairly cheap. There is currently no big things to improve, which leaves only this kind of trivial details to masturbate over.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...or the best programming hair style.This is as unimportant as those " unboxing " articles where they inspect throughly how some gadget is packed .
It makes me feel more and more that computers have just gotten " good enough " and people can get most of stuff they need fairly cheap .
There is currently no big things to improve , which leaves only this kind of trivial details to masturbate over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...or the best programming hair style.This is as unimportant as those "unboxing" articles where they inspect throughly how some gadget is packed.
It makes me feel more and more that computers have just gotten "good enough" and people can get most of stuff they need fairly cheap.
There is currently no big things to improve, which leaves only this kind of trivial details to masturbate over.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642561</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644621</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Mike610544</author>
	<datestamp>1247145480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to agree with the "no mouse" posts here. If you think about the things you usually do with a mouse, they're mostly all incredibly time consuming compared to keyboard actions.<br> <br>
Selecting menu options is a big one: how much faster it is to type "CTRL-s" rather than moving the mouse to the "Edit" menu, clicking, moving the mouse to "Search" and clicking again. Not a big deal for casual web browsing, but if you're doing hundreds (thousands?) of searches every day it adds up.<br> <br>
Navigating (scroll wheel or scroll bar) is another mouse thing. Using search (from the keyboard shortcut) can usually make scrolling unnecessary. How much productivity is wasted every day by people scrolling through a code listing, searching visually for a specific string that could be located in less than 1 second with a search.<br> <br>
A few years ago I removed the menus and scrollbar from Emacs and would leave my mouse upside down so that it was inconvenient to use. After getting used to how fast everything could be done, it's painful to work "over the shoulder" with most other coders (everyone else where I work uses Eclipse and frequently resorts to mouse usage.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to agree with the " no mouse " posts here .
If you think about the things you usually do with a mouse , they 're mostly all incredibly time consuming compared to keyboard actions .
Selecting menu options is a big one : how much faster it is to type " CTRL-s " rather than moving the mouse to the " Edit " menu , clicking , moving the mouse to " Search " and clicking again .
Not a big deal for casual web browsing , but if you 're doing hundreds ( thousands ?
) of searches every day it adds up .
Navigating ( scroll wheel or scroll bar ) is another mouse thing .
Using search ( from the keyboard shortcut ) can usually make scrolling unnecessary .
How much productivity is wasted every day by people scrolling through a code listing , searching visually for a specific string that could be located in less than 1 second with a search .
A few years ago I removed the menus and scrollbar from Emacs and would leave my mouse upside down so that it was inconvenient to use .
After getting used to how fast everything could be done , it 's painful to work " over the shoulder " with most other coders ( everyone else where I work uses Eclipse and frequently resorts to mouse usage .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to agree with the "no mouse" posts here.
If you think about the things you usually do with a mouse, they're mostly all incredibly time consuming compared to keyboard actions.
Selecting menu options is a big one: how much faster it is to type "CTRL-s" rather than moving the mouse to the "Edit" menu, clicking, moving the mouse to "Search" and clicking again.
Not a big deal for casual web browsing, but if you're doing hundreds (thousands?
) of searches every day it adds up.
Navigating (scroll wheel or scroll bar) is another mouse thing.
Using search (from the keyboard shortcut) can usually make scrolling unnecessary.
How much productivity is wasted every day by people scrolling through a code listing, searching visually for a specific string that could be located in less than 1 second with a search.
A few years ago I removed the menus and scrollbar from Emacs and would leave my mouse upside down so that it was inconvenient to use.
After getting used to how fast everything could be done, it's painful to work "over the shoulder" with most other coders (everyone else where I work uses Eclipse and frequently resorts to mouse usage.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642443</id>
	<title>Logitech MX1100</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>There simply isn't a better mouse in the world. All the fancy X11/Compiz shortcuts you actually need can go on it, rechargable batteries, easy to move and most of all, incredibly ergonomic.<br> <br>Plus that endless scroll feature is perfect for grokking long walls of code.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There simply is n't a better mouse in the world .
All the fancy X11/Compiz shortcuts you actually need can go on it , rechargable batteries , easy to move and most of all , incredibly ergonomic .
Plus that endless scroll feature is perfect for grokking long walls of code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There simply isn't a better mouse in the world.
All the fancy X11/Compiz shortcuts you actually need can go on it, rechargable batteries, easy to move and most of all, incredibly ergonomic.
Plus that endless scroll feature is perfect for grokking long walls of code.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645809</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX Revolution</title>
	<author>Doooooooooooooooom</author>
	<datestamp>1247157840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I couldn't agree with Kamokazi more, I've had two MX Revolutions for a year and a half now, and they have both worked wonderfully.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could n't agree with Kamokazi more , I 've had two MX Revolutions for a year and a half now , and they have both worked wonderfully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I couldn't agree with Kamokazi more, I've had two MX Revolutions for a year and a half now, and they have both worked wonderfully.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644819</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>nmb3000</author>
	<datestamp>1247146980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>- Wired so it will always work. I don't want to have to think about recharging it.</i></p><p>I've used both wired and wireless.  Wired is fine, but sometimes the core does get in the way (moreso than keyboard because of the movement and length).  Wireless isn't much trouble, just put the mouse in the charger at the end of the day, take it out in the morning. Easy.</p><p><i>- Mechanical so it always responds in a reliable way. I have yet to find a led/laser mouse that works reliable all the time, every time.</i></p><p>You must have some kind of magical mouse ball that doesn't drag fibers and crap onto the rollers. Mechanical ball mice are <i>anything</i> but reliable. Even a mediocre optical mouse is better than a ball mouse, and a laser mouse works on almost anything (even some glass).</p><p><i>- Few buttons so I don't have to think which button to press. My previous mouse was a wheelmouse where I disabled the wheel button in hardware; I was accidentally pressing it so I'd rather not have the button at all.</i></p><p>More buttons shouldn't mean making mistakes.  I can't stand mice without forward/back buttons for web use, doubly so after learning that Visual Studio supports them to jump around code (do 'Go to definition' then press the back button to return to your original location before the jump).</p><p>If you are accidently pushing the mouse wheel button then either you have a really crappy mouse or you are, as they say, doing it wrong.  Most mice I've found actually make it <i>too hard</i> to push the mouse wheel button.</p><p><i>- No "ergonomic" design, same reason as the weight. Besides, sometimes I use my mouse left-handed.</i></p><p>If you need an ambidextrous mouse, get one.  Otherwise a well-designed mouse can just make it more accurate and make using it easier.</p><p><i>The general theme is that I want my input devices to require as little effort as possible.</i></p><p>Sure, but there are limits to both ends of the spectrum.  A one-button mouse with no mouse wheel is pretty simple, but really using it means a lot more work and wasted action for repeated tasks.</p><p>Not that any of this really matters.  Most programming doesn't really involve a mouse that much and except when I use Visual Studio (moving around files, projects, etc), I find I don't use the mouse too much while actually writing code.  Browsing documentation, the web, or navigating the OS is another matter though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>- Wired so it will always work .
I do n't want to have to think about recharging it.I 've used both wired and wireless .
Wired is fine , but sometimes the core does get in the way ( moreso than keyboard because of the movement and length ) .
Wireless is n't much trouble , just put the mouse in the charger at the end of the day , take it out in the morning .
Easy.- Mechanical so it always responds in a reliable way .
I have yet to find a led/laser mouse that works reliable all the time , every time.You must have some kind of magical mouse ball that does n't drag fibers and crap onto the rollers .
Mechanical ball mice are anything but reliable .
Even a mediocre optical mouse is better than a ball mouse , and a laser mouse works on almost anything ( even some glass ) .- Few buttons so I do n't have to think which button to press .
My previous mouse was a wheelmouse where I disabled the wheel button in hardware ; I was accidentally pressing it so I 'd rather not have the button at all.More buttons should n't mean making mistakes .
I ca n't stand mice without forward/back buttons for web use , doubly so after learning that Visual Studio supports them to jump around code ( do 'Go to definition ' then press the back button to return to your original location before the jump ) .If you are accidently pushing the mouse wheel button then either you have a really crappy mouse or you are , as they say , doing it wrong .
Most mice I 've found actually make it too hard to push the mouse wheel button.- No " ergonomic " design , same reason as the weight .
Besides , sometimes I use my mouse left-handed.If you need an ambidextrous mouse , get one .
Otherwise a well-designed mouse can just make it more accurate and make using it easier.The general theme is that I want my input devices to require as little effort as possible.Sure , but there are limits to both ends of the spectrum .
A one-button mouse with no mouse wheel is pretty simple , but really using it means a lot more work and wasted action for repeated tasks.Not that any of this really matters .
Most programming does n't really involve a mouse that much and except when I use Visual Studio ( moving around files , projects , etc ) , I find I do n't use the mouse too much while actually writing code .
Browsing documentation , the web , or navigating the OS is another matter though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- Wired so it will always work.
I don't want to have to think about recharging it.I've used both wired and wireless.
Wired is fine, but sometimes the core does get in the way (moreso than keyboard because of the movement and length).
Wireless isn't much trouble, just put the mouse in the charger at the end of the day, take it out in the morning.
Easy.- Mechanical so it always responds in a reliable way.
I have yet to find a led/laser mouse that works reliable all the time, every time.You must have some kind of magical mouse ball that doesn't drag fibers and crap onto the rollers.
Mechanical ball mice are anything but reliable.
Even a mediocre optical mouse is better than a ball mouse, and a laser mouse works on almost anything (even some glass).- Few buttons so I don't have to think which button to press.
My previous mouse was a wheelmouse where I disabled the wheel button in hardware; I was accidentally pressing it so I'd rather not have the button at all.More buttons shouldn't mean making mistakes.
I can't stand mice without forward/back buttons for web use, doubly so after learning that Visual Studio supports them to jump around code (do 'Go to definition' then press the back button to return to your original location before the jump).If you are accidently pushing the mouse wheel button then either you have a really crappy mouse or you are, as they say, doing it wrong.
Most mice I've found actually make it too hard to push the mouse wheel button.- No "ergonomic" design, same reason as the weight.
Besides, sometimes I use my mouse left-handed.If you need an ambidextrous mouse, get one.
Otherwise a well-designed mouse can just make it more accurate and make using it easier.The general theme is that I want my input devices to require as little effort as possible.Sure, but there are limits to both ends of the spectrum.
A one-button mouse with no mouse wheel is pretty simple, but really using it means a lot more work and wasted action for repeated tasks.Not that any of this really matters.
Most programming doesn't really involve a mouse that much and except when I use Visual Studio (moving around files, projects, etc), I find I don't use the mouse too much while actually writing code.
Browsing documentation, the web, or navigating the OS is another matter though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645851</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>nivina</author>
	<datestamp>1247158740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>With my G5 I map the thumb buttons to page up/down and the left and right tilt to home and end. I can't work w/o those buttons mapped that way. I've been doing it ever since i got my hands on a mx510. But then I didn't have tilt, so I had to map home/end to the stupid little buttons above and below the scroll wheel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With my G5 I map the thumb buttons to page up/down and the left and right tilt to home and end .
I ca n't work w/o those buttons mapped that way .
I 've been doing it ever since i got my hands on a mx510 .
But then I did n't have tilt , so I had to map home/end to the stupid little buttons above and below the scroll wheel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With my G5 I map the thumb buttons to page up/down and the left and right tilt to home and end.
I can't work w/o those buttons mapped that way.
I've been doing it ever since i got my hands on a mx510.
But then I didn't have tilt, so I had to map home/end to the stupid little buttons above and below the scroll wheel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642591</id>
	<title>Logitech VX Revolution</title>
	<author>talleyrand</author>
	<datestamp>1247135280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My mother-in-law bought this for me when I switched from a desktop to a laptop.  I thought it was ridiculous, especially since she spent 70 bucks on it.  2 years later and I hate having any other mouse in my hand.  Good weight, fits well with my hand (hope you're not a lefty), plays well with Mac, doesn't eat batteries, has bindable keys, etc.</p><p><a href="http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/165&amp;cl=us,en" title="logitech.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/165&amp;cl=us,en</a> [logitech.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My mother-in-law bought this for me when I switched from a desktop to a laptop .
I thought it was ridiculous , especially since she spent 70 bucks on it .
2 years later and I hate having any other mouse in my hand .
Good weight , fits well with my hand ( hope you 're not a lefty ) , plays well with Mac , does n't eat batteries , has bindable keys , etc.http : //www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice \ _pointers/mice/devices/165&amp;cl = us,en [ logitech.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My mother-in-law bought this for me when I switched from a desktop to a laptop.
I thought it was ridiculous, especially since she spent 70 bucks on it.
2 years later and I hate having any other mouse in my hand.
Good weight, fits well with my hand (hope you're not a lefty), plays well with Mac, doesn't eat batteries, has bindable keys, etc.http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/165&amp;cl=us,en [logitech.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642559</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been programming since 1971.
</p><p>Back them I used punch cards.
</p><p>Then, teletypes.
</p><p>Now, I use a mouse and keyboard.
</p><p>I definitely consider myself a "real" programmer.
</p><p>Times change, so do tools.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been programming since 1971 .
Back them I used punch cards .
Then , teletypes .
Now , I use a mouse and keyboard .
I definitely consider myself a " real " programmer .
Times change , so do tools .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been programming since 1971.
Back them I used punch cards.
Then, teletypes.
Now, I use a mouse and keyboard.
I definitely consider myself a "real" programmer.
Times change, so do tools.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648049</id>
	<title>That little red Thinkpad...</title>
	<author>cfa22</author>
	<datestamp>1247231940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>clitmouse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>clitmouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>clitmouse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645191</id>
	<title>3M Ergonomic Mouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247150340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have a long career, you will probably need this mouse. I would have had to quit years ago if this mouse was not available.</p><p>http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en\_US/ergonomics/home/products/ergonomicmouse/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have a long career , you will probably need this mouse .
I would have had to quit years ago if this mouse was not available.http : //solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en \ _US/ergonomics/home/products/ergonomicmouse/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have a long career, you will probably need this mouse.
I would have had to quit years ago if this mouse was not available.http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en\_US/ergonomics/home/products/ergonomicmouse/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644467</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1247144160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any IDE that require that you use a mouse is crap.</p><p>I think in Eclipse you can do everything without a mouse.<br>You can certianly work without a mouse in Visual Studio.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any IDE that require that you use a mouse is crap.I think in Eclipse you can do everything without a mouse.You can certianly work without a mouse in Visual Studio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any IDE that require that you use a mouse is crap.I think in Eclipse you can do everything without a mouse.You can certianly work without a mouse in Visual Studio.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646027</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247161320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have been programming since 1971.</p><p>Back them I used punch cards.</p><p>Then, teletypes.</p><p>Now, I use a mouse and keyboard.</p><p>I definitely consider myself a "real" programmer.</p><p>Times change, so do tools.</p></div><p>You've worked with computers a long time? I have this problem with my internet.....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been programming since 1971.Back them I used punch cards.Then , teletypes.Now , I use a mouse and keyboard.I definitely consider myself a " real " programmer.Times change , so do tools.You 've worked with computers a long time ?
I have this problem with my internet.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been programming since 1971.Back them I used punch cards.Then, teletypes.Now, I use a mouse and keyboard.I definitely consider myself a "real" programmer.Times change, so do tools.You've worked with computers a long time?
I have this problem with my internet.....
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648613</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247235660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For some kind of activities, such as the highlighting of square blocks of text, the mouse is faster and more efficient that the keyboard.</p></div><p>Noob</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For some kind of activities , such as the highlighting of square blocks of text , the mouse is faster and more efficient that the keyboard.Noob</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some kind of activities, such as the highlighting of square blocks of text, the mouse is faster and more efficient that the keyboard.Noob
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644919</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX1100</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247147940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Logitech MX Revolution. Slightly more expensive, larger and sturdier. Fan, frikkin tastic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Logitech MX Revolution .
Slightly more expensive , larger and sturdier .
Fan , frikkin tastic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Logitech MX Revolution.
Slightly more expensive, larger and sturdier.
Fan, frikkin tastic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647579</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>binkzz</author>
	<datestamp>1247226120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, vim has mouse support too.

But why would you use side wheels on a harley?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , vim has mouse support too .
But why would you use side wheels on a harley ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, vim has mouse support too.
But why would you use side wheels on a harley?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642557</id>
	<title>Try a trackball</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used one for close to 6 years.  Although it might be lacking a lot of the buttons and geek coolness factor, I find my wrists don't hurt in using one.  I also stick to the corded version.  The mouse just sits there.. why worry about batteries dieing?</p><p>http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/trackballs/devices/159&amp;cl=US,EN</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used one for close to 6 years .
Although it might be lacking a lot of the buttons and geek coolness factor , I find my wrists do n't hurt in using one .
I also stick to the corded version .
The mouse just sits there.. why worry about batteries dieing ? http : //www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice \ _pointers/trackballs/devices/159&amp;cl = US,EN</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used one for close to 6 years.
Although it might be lacking a lot of the buttons and geek coolness factor, I find my wrists don't hurt in using one.
I also stick to the corded version.
The mouse just sits there.. why worry about batteries dieing?http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/trackballs/devices/159&amp;cl=US,EN</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642477</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If by "Elite" you really mean "PERL Script Monkeys", sure.

Serious programmers use serious programming tools. Serious development tools use a mouse.

Also, VIM, the newer much better version of VI accepts mouse input...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If by " Elite " you really mean " PERL Script Monkeys " , sure .
Serious programmers use serious programming tools .
Serious development tools use a mouse .
Also , VIM , the newer much better version of VI accepts mouse input.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If by "Elite" you really mean "PERL Script Monkeys", sure.
Serious programmers use serious programming tools.
Serious development tools use a mouse.
Also, VIM, the newer much better version of VI accepts mouse input...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643025</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>gameboyhippo</author>
	<datestamp>1247137020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pretty much.  That's my big beef with XAML right now.  I'm having trouble understanding what exactly is going on underneath the tags.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pretty much .
That 's my big beef with XAML right now .
I 'm having trouble understanding what exactly is going on underneath the tags .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pretty much.
That's my big beef with XAML right now.
I'm having trouble understanding what exactly is going on underneath the tags.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642543</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech Marble Mouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gotta second this.  You get awesome control (since IMO fingers are better at fine motor control than thumbs are), little arm motion, and great stability in a relatively small package.</p><p>Plus you confound normal mouse-users, so they're tempted to just leave your machine alone.  The cable is USB and PS/2 (cheapie adapter included).  I don't think a wireless version is available, but that's generally the case with trackballs AFAIK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Got ta second this .
You get awesome control ( since IMO fingers are better at fine motor control than thumbs are ) , little arm motion , and great stability in a relatively small package.Plus you confound normal mouse-users , so they 're tempted to just leave your machine alone .
The cable is USB and PS/2 ( cheapie adapter included ) .
I do n't think a wireless version is available , but that 's generally the case with trackballs AFAIK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gotta second this.
You get awesome control (since IMO fingers are better at fine motor control than thumbs are), little arm motion, and great stability in a relatively small package.Plus you confound normal mouse-users, so they're tempted to just leave your machine alone.
The cable is USB and PS/2 (cheapie adapter included).
I don't think a wireless version is available, but that's generally the case with trackballs AFAIK.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645885</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX1100</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247159220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The MX700 was better.  Perfect balance, weight, ease-of-use, and as long as you threw it in the charger at night, it was fine for a full day's work.</p><p>Sadly, Logitech doesn't make it anymore.  I use the G7 gaming mouse, with the quick change batteries.  Alternatively, the MX400 is fine if you don't mind a cord.</p><p>Oh, and the G7 works with USB KVM's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The MX700 was better .
Perfect balance , weight , ease-of-use , and as long as you threw it in the charger at night , it was fine for a full day 's work.Sadly , Logitech does n't make it anymore .
I use the G7 gaming mouse , with the quick change batteries .
Alternatively , the MX400 is fine if you do n't mind a cord.Oh , and the G7 works with USB KVM 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The MX700 was better.
Perfect balance, weight, ease-of-use, and as long as you threw it in the charger at night, it was fine for a full day's work.Sadly, Logitech doesn't make it anymore.
I use the G7 gaming mouse, with the quick change batteries.
Alternatively, the MX400 is fine if you don't mind a cord.Oh, and the G7 works with USB KVM's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642991</id>
	<title>Wireless?</title>
	<author>castorvx</author>
	<datestamp>1247136840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The mouse was invented for throwing at other programmers.  That's why they have wires. So you don't have to get up to retrieve it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The mouse was invented for throwing at other programmers .
That 's why they have wires .
So you do n't have to get up to retrieve it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mouse was invented for throwing at other programmers.
That's why they have wires.
So you don't have to get up to retrieve it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642385</id>
	<title>Dell!</title>
	<author>Flea of Pain</author>
	<datestamp>1247134620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just stick with Dell stuff, that solves the problem of it moving when you look at it, cause shortly it won't move at all!  It'll feel like a brick, so it won't be too light! If you've moved your hand away from the keyboard...well we all know what your actually doing, but calling it programming is a novel idea anyway!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just stick with Dell stuff , that solves the problem of it moving when you look at it , cause shortly it wo n't move at all !
It 'll feel like a brick , so it wo n't be too light !
If you 've moved your hand away from the keyboard...well we all know what your actually doing , but calling it programming is a novel idea anyway !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just stick with Dell stuff, that solves the problem of it moving when you look at it, cause shortly it won't move at all!
It'll feel like a brick, so it won't be too light!
If you've moved your hand away from the keyboard...well we all know what your actually doing, but calling it programming is a novel idea anyway!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642643</id>
	<title>Duh</title>
	<author>0xdeadbeef</author>
	<datestamp>1247135520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A serial Mouse Systems mouse with a middle button. Goes along great with your IBM Model M keyboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A serial Mouse Systems mouse with a middle button .
Goes along great with your IBM Model M keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A serial Mouse Systems mouse with a middle button.
Goes along great with your IBM Model M keyboard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643193</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247137800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use the mouse at all, or use it minimally.</i></p><p>ROTFLMAO.  Yeah, because how you use a mouse (or not use a mouse) is a good measure of your coding skill level.  In my opinion, any coder who is proud of his non-use of a mouse is probably more of a script kiddie than anything else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Elite programmers should be using an environment where they do n't have to use the mouse at all , or use it minimally.ROTFLMAO .
Yeah , because how you use a mouse ( or not use a mouse ) is a good measure of your coding skill level .
In my opinion , any coder who is proud of his non-use of a mouse is probably more of a script kiddie than anything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Elite programmers should be using an environment where they don't have to use the mouse at all, or use it minimally.ROTFLMAO.
Yeah, because how you use a mouse (or not use a mouse) is a good measure of your coding skill level.
In my opinion, any coder who is proud of his non-use of a mouse is probably more of a script kiddie than anything else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645759</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>bh\_doc</author>
	<datestamp>1247157300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual\_programming\_language</p><p>I've had to program in LabVIEW in my day job, regularly. It's a visual programming language, based on data flow. You place boxes that represent functions on a plane and wire up inputs and outputs to/from other functions. There's structures and loops and stuff, but the relevant point here is that it's all visual, not textual. You need a pointing device of some kind, because trying to type "commands" will get you nowhere: there *are no* commands.</p><p>I would be surprised if the submitter actually had this situation in mind, but the point is, in the wide world of programming languages, there are certainly conditions where you program with the mouse. I have done it, and not an insignificant amount of it. (Though I might have been better off using a tablet. I'll try that one day. Might be partly why I don't actually like visual programming languages much.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual \ _programming \ _languageI 've had to program in LabVIEW in my day job , regularly .
It 's a visual programming language , based on data flow .
You place boxes that represent functions on a plane and wire up inputs and outputs to/from other functions .
There 's structures and loops and stuff , but the relevant point here is that it 's all visual , not textual .
You need a pointing device of some kind , because trying to type " commands " will get you nowhere : there * are no * commands.I would be surprised if the submitter actually had this situation in mind , but the point is , in the wide world of programming languages , there are certainly conditions where you program with the mouse .
I have done it , and not an insignificant amount of it .
( Though I might have been better off using a tablet .
I 'll try that one day .
Might be partly why I do n't actually like visual programming languages much .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual\_programming\_languageI've had to program in LabVIEW in my day job, regularly.
It's a visual programming language, based on data flow.
You place boxes that represent functions on a plane and wire up inputs and outputs to/from other functions.
There's structures and loops and stuff, but the relevant point here is that it's all visual, not textual.
You need a pointing device of some kind, because trying to type "commands" will get you nowhere: there *are no* commands.I would be surprised if the submitter actually had this situation in mind, but the point is, in the wide world of programming languages, there are certainly conditions where you program with the mouse.
I have done it, and not an insignificant amount of it.
(Though I might have been better off using a tablet.
I'll try that one day.
Might be partly why I don't actually like visual programming languages much.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647017</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX1100</title>
	<author>vux984</author>
	<datestamp>1247218320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>There simply isn't a better mouse in the world.</i></p><p>Unless of course you are left handed, in which case this mouse, like so many others, is useless junk.</p><p>I used to use ambi Microsoft wireless mice, which were ok, but then they took the detents out of the scroll wheel, and I want detents.</p><p>These days I use a Razer Copperhead, which after a couple years constant use, is starting to die. (left mouse button is failing), but its been a good mouse, and I've ordered a replacement. Its wired, but its still the best mouse I've ever used.</p><p>It would be nice if there was more selection of high quality ambidextrous mice. I don't really even care for an ergo-left mouse -- my wife uses our PCs too and she's right handed so an ergo-left mouse would be as much a bother to her as an ergo right one is to me.</p><p>I'm really surprised there isn't better ambi-mice selection. All the cheap crap is ambi, but as soon as you get into higher end stuff, the ambi selection drops off to just a few.</p><p>Neither microsoft nor logitech make any of their best products in an ambidextrous format. I realize only 10\% of us are left handed... but still that's a lot of people. And if you have even one leftie in your household you'll probably want an ambi mouse on the family pc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There simply is n't a better mouse in the world.Unless of course you are left handed , in which case this mouse , like so many others , is useless junk.I used to use ambi Microsoft wireless mice , which were ok , but then they took the detents out of the scroll wheel , and I want detents.These days I use a Razer Copperhead , which after a couple years constant use , is starting to die .
( left mouse button is failing ) , but its been a good mouse , and I 've ordered a replacement .
Its wired , but its still the best mouse I 've ever used.It would be nice if there was more selection of high quality ambidextrous mice .
I do n't really even care for an ergo-left mouse -- my wife uses our PCs too and she 's right handed so an ergo-left mouse would be as much a bother to her as an ergo right one is to me.I 'm really surprised there is n't better ambi-mice selection .
All the cheap crap is ambi , but as soon as you get into higher end stuff , the ambi selection drops off to just a few.Neither microsoft nor logitech make any of their best products in an ambidextrous format .
I realize only 10 \ % of us are left handed... but still that 's a lot of people .
And if you have even one leftie in your household you 'll probably want an ambi mouse on the family pc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There simply isn't a better mouse in the world.Unless of course you are left handed, in which case this mouse, like so many others, is useless junk.I used to use ambi Microsoft wireless mice, which were ok, but then they took the detents out of the scroll wheel, and I want detents.These days I use a Razer Copperhead, which after a couple years constant use, is starting to die.
(left mouse button is failing), but its been a good mouse, and I've ordered a replacement.
Its wired, but its still the best mouse I've ever used.It would be nice if there was more selection of high quality ambidextrous mice.
I don't really even care for an ergo-left mouse -- my wife uses our PCs too and she's right handed so an ergo-left mouse would be as much a bother to her as an ergo right one is to me.I'm really surprised there isn't better ambi-mice selection.
All the cheap crap is ambi, but as soon as you get into higher end stuff, the ambi selection drops off to just a few.Neither microsoft nor logitech make any of their best products in an ambidextrous format.
I realize only 10\% of us are left handed... but still that's a lot of people.
And if you have even one leftie in your household you'll probably want an ambi mouse on the family pc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645185</id>
	<title>That's one of the reasons I switched to OS X...</title>
	<author>mario\_grgic</author>
	<datestamp>1247150340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't need to use the mouse ever. Spotlight and expose allow you to never leave the keyboard when you need to launch the app, switch the app, or go to a different window of an app.</p><p>I also edit my stuff in Vim in terminal. And nothing is faster to edit text than VIM. Even in Eclipse I have (somewhat limited) vi plugin, and Netbeans has proper vim plugin implementation in nbjvi.</p><p>Seriously, you should avoid the mouse as much as you can if editing text (which is what programmers do 99\% of the time) efficiently is your goal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't need to use the mouse ever .
Spotlight and expose allow you to never leave the keyboard when you need to launch the app , switch the app , or go to a different window of an app.I also edit my stuff in Vim in terminal .
And nothing is faster to edit text than VIM .
Even in Eclipse I have ( somewhat limited ) vi plugin , and Netbeans has proper vim plugin implementation in nbjvi.Seriously , you should avoid the mouse as much as you can if editing text ( which is what programmers do 99 \ % of the time ) efficiently is your goal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't need to use the mouse ever.
Spotlight and expose allow you to never leave the keyboard when you need to launch the app, switch the app, or go to a different window of an app.I also edit my stuff in Vim in terminal.
And nothing is faster to edit text than VIM.
Even in Eclipse I have (somewhat limited) vi plugin, and Netbeans has proper vim plugin implementation in nbjvi.Seriously, you should avoid the mouse as much as you can if editing text (which is what programmers do 99\% of the time) efficiently is your goal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645733</id>
	<title>Seconded!</title>
	<author>Wolfier</author>
	<datestamp>1247156220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since my Apple II days 20 years ago, the Kensington Expert Mouse easily fits into the top 5 best money ever spent on a peripheral.</p><p>In case you wonder what the other four are: Sound Blaster Pro (on a 486), 64KB 80 column card (on an Apple), a Dell 2005FPW IPS LCD, and the original Mockingboard (Apple)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since my Apple II days 20 years ago , the Kensington Expert Mouse easily fits into the top 5 best money ever spent on a peripheral.In case you wonder what the other four are : Sound Blaster Pro ( on a 486 ) , 64KB 80 column card ( on an Apple ) , a Dell 2005FPW IPS LCD , and the original Mockingboard ( Apple )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since my Apple II days 20 years ago, the Kensington Expert Mouse easily fits into the top 5 best money ever spent on a peripheral.In case you wonder what the other four are: Sound Blaster Pro (on a 486), 64KB 80 column card (on an Apple), a Dell 2005FPW IPS LCD, and the original Mockingboard (Apple)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642507</id>
	<title>MX Revolution for me</title>
	<author>joshamania</author>
	<datestamp>1247134980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently finally broke my last Logitech cordless mouse, which had lasted a good 200 three foot drops onto a hard surface (dogs, clumsiness, etc).  I finally gave in and tried wireless (I hate wireless in nearly all its forms), and picked up a Logiitech MX Revolution.  Apart from the fact that I have to keep a clear line-of-sight between the mouse and receiver (stupid for an RF device if you ask me, but whaddyagonnado)...the mouse has been fantastic.  It has a shedload of buttons and two, count em, *two*, mouse wheels.  Good stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently finally broke my last Logitech cordless mouse , which had lasted a good 200 three foot drops onto a hard surface ( dogs , clumsiness , etc ) .
I finally gave in and tried wireless ( I hate wireless in nearly all its forms ) , and picked up a Logiitech MX Revolution .
Apart from the fact that I have to keep a clear line-of-sight between the mouse and receiver ( stupid for an RF device if you ask me , but whaddyagonnado ) ...the mouse has been fantastic .
It has a shedload of buttons and two , count em , * two * , mouse wheels .
Good stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently finally broke my last Logitech cordless mouse, which had lasted a good 200 three foot drops onto a hard surface (dogs, clumsiness, etc).
I finally gave in and tried wireless (I hate wireless in nearly all its forms), and picked up a Logiitech MX Revolution.
Apart from the fact that I have to keep a clear line-of-sight between the mouse and receiver (stupid for an RF device if you ask me, but whaddyagonnado)...the mouse has been fantastic.
It has a shedload of buttons and two, count em, *two*, mouse wheels.
Good stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648577</id>
	<title>Roller mouse is a different apprach</title>
	<author>Angstroman</author>
	<datestamp>1247235420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use a <a href="http://ergo.contourdesign.com/products/rollermouse/default.aspx" title="contourdesign.com" rel="nofollow">Contour Roller Mouse</a> [contourdesign.com] and like it very much. It takes a bit of getting used to since its motion is somewhat different than a conventional mouse or trackball. This keeps my hands close to the keyboard at all times. The newer models have a number of buttons. I originally got it on the advice of an industrial ergonomist to address shoulder and neck pain from long hours at the computer (something that it has, indeed, improved significantly), but now find that I am more productive in all applications except CAD and graphics work. It is a bit expensive, but constitutes an interesting alternative.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a Contour Roller Mouse [ contourdesign.com ] and like it very much .
It takes a bit of getting used to since its motion is somewhat different than a conventional mouse or trackball .
This keeps my hands close to the keyboard at all times .
The newer models have a number of buttons .
I originally got it on the advice of an industrial ergonomist to address shoulder and neck pain from long hours at the computer ( something that it has , indeed , improved significantly ) , but now find that I am more productive in all applications except CAD and graphics work .
It is a bit expensive , but constitutes an interesting alternative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a Contour Roller Mouse [contourdesign.com] and like it very much.
It takes a bit of getting used to since its motion is somewhat different than a conventional mouse or trackball.
This keeps my hands close to the keyboard at all times.
The newer models have a number of buttons.
I originally got it on the advice of an industrial ergonomist to address shoulder and neck pain from long hours at the computer (something that it has, indeed, improved significantly), but now find that I am more productive in all applications except CAD and graphics work.
It is a bit expensive, but constitutes an interesting alternative.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644869</id>
	<title>Re:The same mouse you would use for proper gaming</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247147400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with the comment about wireless mice. I seriously dislike the hassle of batteries - just not worth it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with the comment about wireless mice .
I seriously dislike the hassle of batteries - just not worth it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with the comment about wireless mice.
I seriously dislike the hassle of batteries - just not worth it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642677</id>
	<title>Gaming Grade</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would absolutely recommend going with a gaming-grade mouse like the Logitech G9, Creative Fata1ity 2020, or one of the new OCZ mice if you need something less expensive. The ones I mentioned have user-adjustable weights, lots of buttons, and ultra-accurate laser tracking. They are wired (reliability, etc...) but you might be able to find something comparable in wireless trim.</p><p>Best of luck - a good mouse is a very valuable computing asset.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would absolutely recommend going with a gaming-grade mouse like the Logitech G9 , Creative Fata1ity 2020 , or one of the new OCZ mice if you need something less expensive .
The ones I mentioned have user-adjustable weights , lots of buttons , and ultra-accurate laser tracking .
They are wired ( reliability , etc... ) but you might be able to find something comparable in wireless trim.Best of luck - a good mouse is a very valuable computing asset .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would absolutely recommend going with a gaming-grade mouse like the Logitech G9, Creative Fata1ity 2020, or one of the new OCZ mice if you need something less expensive.
The ones I mentioned have user-adjustable weights, lots of buttons, and ultra-accurate laser tracking.
They are wired (reliability, etc...) but you might be able to find something comparable in wireless trim.Best of luck - a good mouse is a very valuable computing asset.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28666733</id>
	<title>Re:Best mouse operation for programming</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247404800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a vi coder, I also moved to mousing with my left hand while coding/routing.  It saves the wear on gamer related repetitive motion ailments.  I can game at night with a brace, and code at day without the thumb/wrist splint.</p><p>I found that having my dominant (right) hand as the, 'always on the keyboard hand', my dynamic typing+cut/paste improved significantly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a vi coder , I also moved to mousing with my left hand while coding/routing .
It saves the wear on gamer related repetitive motion ailments .
I can game at night with a brace , and code at day without the thumb/wrist splint.I found that having my dominant ( right ) hand as the , 'always on the keyboard hand ' , my dynamic typing + cut/paste improved significantly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a vi coder, I also moved to mousing with my left hand while coding/routing.
It saves the wear on gamer related repetitive motion ailments.
I can game at night with a brace, and code at day without the thumb/wrist splint.I found that having my dominant (right) hand as the, 'always on the keyboard hand', my dynamic typing+cut/paste improved significantly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28657371</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247241900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>twittering as stocktradr.</p><p>there is a patent pending keyboard that integrates pointing into the keyboard.</p><p>it gives the user total control of the computer screen. it is not commercially available.</p><p>the user can instantly point, click, type or scroll in any order all while the users fingers are all on the home row.</p><p>i use a proto-type of the keyboard everyday for stock trading.</p><p>i have used it to do a trade that was up 6000\%.</p><p>in trading,  time is important.</p><p>i put all my trades up in real time. so you can check it out. go back in my 7,534 updates.</p><p>i have about 690 followers. i get about 3 to 10 people a day. it depends on what i talk about.</p><p>i am teaching the correct way to stock trade. i call it open source stock trading.</p><p>a trader will continuously make money with a complete trading plan.</p><p>all that is required is a trading account. everything else is free.</p><p>the reason people are down 30, 40, 50\% in their retirement account is because they do not have a complete trading plan.</p><p>you may be one of them.</p><p>what we are also learning is: what is twitter?</p><p>from my experience twittering, I want to write a book about twittering and stock trading.</p><p>moving your hand repetitively from keyboard to mouse is a waste of time.</p><p>the stand alone keyboard and mouse are OLD technology.</p><p>as i tell my 690 followers, you always want your competition to  use OLD technology.</p><p>programmers using a stand alone keyboard and mouse or just a keyboard using what I call finger gymnastics, or short cut keys. ctrl.s for example are at a disadvantage.</p><p>that is a good thing if you are competition.</p><p>if you work on a keyboard for 8 hours. about five minutes per hour is wasted moving from keyboard to mouse and back.</p><p>that is 40 minutes per day.  say that 40 minutes is worth $10 per day. over 200 working days that is $2000 of wasted time.</p><p>whatever you programmers make. put in your hourly rate.</p><p>I have used the keyboard with gVim. it works great.</p><p>with autocad. great.</p><p>with an integrated pointing keyboard the gui and cli become one.</p><p>imagine two hands on the keyboard and a third hand on a mouse.  that is the kind of performance this keyboard has.</p><p>i am typing with it right now.</p><p>anyway. people are using advanced keyboards to get work done very quickly.</p><p>working with a stand alone keyboard and mouse is like working in slow motion.</p><p>twittering as stocktradr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>twittering as stocktradr.there is a patent pending keyboard that integrates pointing into the keyboard.it gives the user total control of the computer screen .
it is not commercially available.the user can instantly point , click , type or scroll in any order all while the users fingers are all on the home row.i use a proto-type of the keyboard everyday for stock trading.i have used it to do a trade that was up 6000 \ % .in trading , time is important.i put all my trades up in real time .
so you can check it out .
go back in my 7,534 updates.i have about 690 followers .
i get about 3 to 10 people a day .
it depends on what i talk about.i am teaching the correct way to stock trade .
i call it open source stock trading.a trader will continuously make money with a complete trading plan.all that is required is a trading account .
everything else is free.the reason people are down 30 , 40 , 50 \ % in their retirement account is because they do not have a complete trading plan.you may be one of them.what we are also learning is : what is twitter ? from my experience twittering , I want to write a book about twittering and stock trading.moving your hand repetitively from keyboard to mouse is a waste of time.the stand alone keyboard and mouse are OLD technology.as i tell my 690 followers , you always want your competition to use OLD technology.programmers using a stand alone keyboard and mouse or just a keyboard using what I call finger gymnastics , or short cut keys .
ctrl.s for example are at a disadvantage.that is a good thing if you are competition.if you work on a keyboard for 8 hours .
about five minutes per hour is wasted moving from keyboard to mouse and back.that is 40 minutes per day .
say that 40 minutes is worth $ 10 per day .
over 200 working days that is $ 2000 of wasted time.whatever you programmers make .
put in your hourly rate.I have used the keyboard with gVim .
it works great.with autocad .
great.with an integrated pointing keyboard the gui and cli become one.imagine two hands on the keyboard and a third hand on a mouse .
that is the kind of performance this keyboard has.i am typing with it right now.anyway .
people are using advanced keyboards to get work done very quickly.working with a stand alone keyboard and mouse is like working in slow motion.twittering as stocktradr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>twittering as stocktradr.there is a patent pending keyboard that integrates pointing into the keyboard.it gives the user total control of the computer screen.
it is not commercially available.the user can instantly point, click, type or scroll in any order all while the users fingers are all on the home row.i use a proto-type of the keyboard everyday for stock trading.i have used it to do a trade that was up 6000\%.in trading,  time is important.i put all my trades up in real time.
so you can check it out.
go back in my 7,534 updates.i have about 690 followers.
i get about 3 to 10 people a day.
it depends on what i talk about.i am teaching the correct way to stock trade.
i call it open source stock trading.a trader will continuously make money with a complete trading plan.all that is required is a trading account.
everything else is free.the reason people are down 30, 40, 50\% in their retirement account is because they do not have a complete trading plan.you may be one of them.what we are also learning is: what is twitter?from my experience twittering, I want to write a book about twittering and stock trading.moving your hand repetitively from keyboard to mouse is a waste of time.the stand alone keyboard and mouse are OLD technology.as i tell my 690 followers, you always want your competition to  use OLD technology.programmers using a stand alone keyboard and mouse or just a keyboard using what I call finger gymnastics, or short cut keys.
ctrl.s for example are at a disadvantage.that is a good thing if you are competition.if you work on a keyboard for 8 hours.
about five minutes per hour is wasted moving from keyboard to mouse and back.that is 40 minutes per day.
say that 40 minutes is worth $10 per day.
over 200 working days that is $2000 of wasted time.whatever you programmers make.
put in your hourly rate.I have used the keyboard with gVim.
it works great.with autocad.
great.with an integrated pointing keyboard the gui and cli become one.imagine two hands on the keyboard and a third hand on a mouse.
that is the kind of performance this keyboard has.i am typing with it right now.anyway.
people are using advanced keyboards to get work done very quickly.working with a stand alone keyboard and mouse is like working in slow motion.twittering as stocktradr</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642481</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Whorhay</author>
	<datestamp>1247134920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hazaa!</p><p>My preference is actually to corded laser mice. I've had a couple cordless ones and they always felt too heavy for my tastes. And when the batteries start to go it's always frustrating to have to stop whatever I am doing to go find fresh ones. I also happen to prefer the five button mice, the mouse-wheel button rarely ever gets used but at times it's made for a great "boss button".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hazaa ! My preference is actually to corded laser mice .
I 've had a couple cordless ones and they always felt too heavy for my tastes .
And when the batteries start to go it 's always frustrating to have to stop whatever I am doing to go find fresh ones .
I also happen to prefer the five button mice , the mouse-wheel button rarely ever gets used but at times it 's made for a great " boss button " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hazaa!My preference is actually to corded laser mice.
I've had a couple cordless ones and they always felt too heavy for my tastes.
And when the batteries start to go it's always frustrating to have to stop whatever I am doing to go find fresh ones.
I also happen to prefer the five button mice, the mouse-wheel button rarely ever gets used but at times it's made for a great "boss button".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642359</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643589</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX1100</title>
	<author>pavelthesecond</author>
	<datestamp>1247139420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I second this!
Its got 8 buttons compared to 5 on most other 'high end' mice.

The only downside is that they got rid of the cruise control buttons they had on the old MX1000. If you got a large page to scroll you could just hold the cruise down button instead of constantly fliking the scroll wheel. Very nice when scrolling those long man pages.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I second this !
Its got 8 buttons compared to 5 on most other 'high end ' mice .
The only downside is that they got rid of the cruise control buttons they had on the old MX1000 .
If you got a large page to scroll you could just hold the cruise down button instead of constantly fliking the scroll wheel .
Very nice when scrolling those long man pages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second this!
Its got 8 buttons compared to 5 on most other 'high end' mice.
The only downside is that they got rid of the cruise control buttons they had on the old MX1000.
If you got a large page to scroll you could just hold the cruise down button instead of constantly fliking the scroll wheel.
Very nice when scrolling those long man pages.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642443</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642979</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247136780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your rant against the wireless mouse got me to thinking... Why not create a wireless mouse that charges itself through its motion?  Kind of like those wristwatches that charge through the motion of your wrist.</p><p>Nevermind.  I checked before submitting and some jabroni patented that idea in 2006.  *Sigh*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your rant against the wireless mouse got me to thinking... Why not create a wireless mouse that charges itself through its motion ?
Kind of like those wristwatches that charge through the motion of your wrist.Nevermind .
I checked before submitting and some jabroni patented that idea in 2006 .
* Sigh *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your rant against the wireless mouse got me to thinking... Why not create a wireless mouse that charges itself through its motion?
Kind of like those wristwatches that charge through the motion of your wrist.Nevermind.
I checked before submitting and some jabroni patented that idea in 2006.
*Sigh*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644613</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX Revolution</title>
	<author>Zakabog</author>
	<datestamp>1247145120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have an MX Revolution as well and I was about to post the same comment. I love the free scrolling mode when I'm searching for something in my code. Just give it a spin and stop when I see what I'm looking for. Plus when I'm not at the computer I just put the mouse back in the charging dock, the batteries haven't died on me once in the entire time I've owned the mouse (bought it when it was first released.) Plus it's the best mouse I've ever used for graphic work, it has a nice weight to it to give me precise control over my movements, it's very accurate and doesn't jam up like a ball mouse, and there's no wire hindering my movements (getting stuck on things, pushing against the mouse, going over the mousepad and blocking my hand, etc.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an MX Revolution as well and I was about to post the same comment .
I love the free scrolling mode when I 'm searching for something in my code .
Just give it a spin and stop when I see what I 'm looking for .
Plus when I 'm not at the computer I just put the mouse back in the charging dock , the batteries have n't died on me once in the entire time I 've owned the mouse ( bought it when it was first released .
) Plus it 's the best mouse I 've ever used for graphic work , it has a nice weight to it to give me precise control over my movements , it 's very accurate and does n't jam up like a ball mouse , and there 's no wire hindering my movements ( getting stuck on things , pushing against the mouse , going over the mousepad and blocking my hand , etc .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an MX Revolution as well and I was about to post the same comment.
I love the free scrolling mode when I'm searching for something in my code.
Just give it a spin and stop when I see what I'm looking for.
Plus when I'm not at the computer I just put the mouse back in the charging dock, the batteries haven't died on me once in the entire time I've owned the mouse (bought it when it was first released.
) Plus it's the best mouse I've ever used for graphic work, it has a nice weight to it to give me precise control over my movements, it's very accurate and doesn't jam up like a ball mouse, and there's no wire hindering my movements (getting stuck on things, pushing against the mouse, going over the mousepad and blocking my hand, etc.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642449</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642501</id>
	<title>Logitech G9</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just have to say I love my Logitech G9. It's quite ugly but functionality wise it rocks. It's wired though..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just have to say I love my Logitech G9 .
It 's quite ugly but functionality wise it rocks .
It 's wired though. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just have to say I love my Logitech G9.
It's quite ugly but functionality wise it rocks.
It's wired though..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643053</id>
	<title>Re:Are you bored?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247137140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the best keyboard for whining on Slashdot?  I figure I'll just ask you cause you seem good at it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the best keyboard for whining on Slashdot ?
I figure I 'll just ask you cause you seem good at it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the best keyboard for whining on Slashdot?
I figure I'll just ask you cause you seem good at it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642561</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642491</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>the\_other\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1247134920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://vigor.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net"> They must have added mouse support when they added the paperclip.</a> [sourceforge.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>They must have added mouse support when they added the paperclip .
[ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext> They must have added mouse support when they added the paperclip.
[sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642359</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646227</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247164260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eclipse is possibly the worst IDE I've ever tried to use.  So that's not a very good example.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eclipse is possibly the worst IDE I 've ever tried to use .
So that 's not a very good example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eclipse is possibly the worst IDE I've ever tried to use.
So that's not a very good example.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642713</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643009</id>
	<title>The best mouse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247136960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best mouse is a keyboard, preferably an ergonomic one. They have lots of buttons, come in wireless versions, and don't clog up.

Seriously, I've been programming since like 1985, and in all that time, I've never needed a mouse to do anything with programming. What do you need a mouse for?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best mouse is a keyboard , preferably an ergonomic one .
They have lots of buttons , come in wireless versions , and do n't clog up .
Seriously , I 've been programming since like 1985 , and in all that time , I 've never needed a mouse to do anything with programming .
What do you need a mouse for ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best mouse is a keyboard, preferably an ergonomic one.
They have lots of buttons, come in wireless versions, and don't clog up.
Seriously, I've been programming since like 1985, and in all that time, I've never needed a mouse to do anything with programming.
What do you need a mouse for?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645197</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>sgt\_doofey</author>
	<datestamp>1247150400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aww, C'mon. You know all us developers do is cut 'n' paste code from Google. Need a mouse for that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Aww , C'mon .
You know all us developers do is cut 'n ' paste code from Google .
Need a mouse for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aww, C'mon.
You know all us developers do is cut 'n' paste code from Google.
Need a mouse for that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642741</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645991</id>
	<title>Best Mouse I ever found:</title>
	<author>shellster\_dude</author>
	<datestamp>1247161020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.ecofriend.org/entry/micro-innovations-launches-battery-free-wireless-mouse/" title="ecofriend.org">http://www.ecofriend.org/entry/micro-innovations-launches-battery-free-wireless-mouse/</a> [ecofriend.org] <br> <br>

Cheap, economical, 5 buttons, scroll wheel, wireless, battery free, optical, good resolution and sensitivity.  Did I miss anything?</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.ecofriend.org/entry/micro-innovations-launches-battery-free-wireless-mouse/ [ ecofriend.org ] Cheap , economical , 5 buttons , scroll wheel , wireless , battery free , optical , good resolution and sensitivity .
Did I miss anything ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.ecofriend.org/entry/micro-innovations-launches-battery-free-wireless-mouse/ [ecofriend.org]  

Cheap, economical, 5 buttons, scroll wheel, wireless, battery free, optical, good resolution and sensitivity.
Did I miss anything?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645123</id>
	<title>Re:Suggestions</title>
	<author>imbaczek</author>
	<datestamp>1247149560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>no mod points, so i'll comment -  mx518 is THE mouse to get if you're right-handed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>no mod points , so i 'll comment - mx518 is THE mouse to get if you 're right-handed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no mod points, so i'll comment -  mx518 is THE mouse to get if you're right-handed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642485</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646921</id>
	<title>While we're at it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247217240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>anyone know of a good printer for gaming?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>anyone know of a good printer for gaming ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>anyone know of a good printer for gaming?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648505</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Ash Vince</author>
	<datestamp>1247235060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Exactly. Nothing is more painful than being paired up with a "developer" that is trying to code using a mouse and having them work at half to quarter speed of a person who actually knows how to use keyboard shortcuts.</p></div><p>I used to think like this too. Then you learn a whole different set of skills to lead a team of developers as there will be some that are slower than you. If you find the doing something differently or less efficiently annoying you are doomed to spending the rest of your life at the bottom rung of the career ladder.</p><p>Maybe you get paired with "developers" who still use the keyboard in the hope that they will learn something from you, but that still requires them to learn, not you to drum it into them. The fact that you put developer in quotes actually says a lot.</p><p>Back on topic I would also say screw the mouse, just spend all your money on a decent keyboard and the cheapest mouse you can get one grubby hand on since you will hardly ever use it in time. People have to get there on there own though, not be forced into things.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
Nothing is more painful than being paired up with a " developer " that is trying to code using a mouse and having them work at half to quarter speed of a person who actually knows how to use keyboard shortcuts.I used to think like this too .
Then you learn a whole different set of skills to lead a team of developers as there will be some that are slower than you .
If you find the doing something differently or less efficiently annoying you are doomed to spending the rest of your life at the bottom rung of the career ladder.Maybe you get paired with " developers " who still use the keyboard in the hope that they will learn something from you , but that still requires them to learn , not you to drum it into them .
The fact that you put developer in quotes actually says a lot.Back on topic I would also say screw the mouse , just spend all your money on a decent keyboard and the cheapest mouse you can get one grubby hand on since you will hardly ever use it in time .
People have to get there on there own though , not be forced into things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
Nothing is more painful than being paired up with a "developer" that is trying to code using a mouse and having them work at half to quarter speed of a person who actually knows how to use keyboard shortcuts.I used to think like this too.
Then you learn a whole different set of skills to lead a team of developers as there will be some that are slower than you.
If you find the doing something differently or less efficiently annoying you are doomed to spending the rest of your life at the bottom rung of the career ladder.Maybe you get paired with "developers" who still use the keyboard in the hope that they will learn something from you, but that still requires them to learn, not you to drum it into them.
The fact that you put developer in quotes actually says a lot.Back on topic I would also say screw the mouse, just spend all your money on a decent keyboard and the cheapest mouse you can get one grubby hand on since you will hardly ever use it in time.
People have to get there on there own though, not be forced into things.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642741</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642759</id>
	<title>vx nano</title>
	<author>slash-doubter</author>
	<datestamp>1247135880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
I like the Logitech VX nano.

While the flame bait of using a mouse while programming is quite tempting even to myself, in a rare moment of reflection, I realized I don't know everything, and occasionally I have to use the intrawebz to learn that which I do not know. Also, sometimes I must slashdot. On such occasions, I like the vx nano.

The spinny scroll wheel, and right left scrolling<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... lots of buttons. Very tiny receiver.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the Logitech VX nano .
While the flame bait of using a mouse while programming is quite tempting even to myself , in a rare moment of reflection , I realized I do n't know everything , and occasionally I have to use the intrawebz to learn that which I do not know .
Also , sometimes I must slashdot .
On such occasions , I like the vx nano .
The spinny scroll wheel , and right left scrolling ... lots of buttons .
Very tiny receiver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I like the Logitech VX nano.
While the flame bait of using a mouse while programming is quite tempting even to myself, in a rare moment of reflection, I realized I don't know everything, and occasionally I have to use the intrawebz to learn that which I do not know.
Also, sometimes I must slashdot.
On such occasions, I like the vx nano.
The spinny scroll wheel, and right left scrolling ... lots of buttons.
Very tiny receiver.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647237</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>marqs</author>
	<datestamp>1247220720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>say what!?
<br>
The best feature of a wireless mouse is the built in UPS. Sure the computer is as useless as a brick when the powers out, but I can rest assured that my mouse will work for hours.</htmltext>
<tokenext>say what ! ?
The best feature of a wireless mouse is the built in UPS .
Sure the computer is as useless as a brick when the powers out , but I can rest assured that my mouse will work for hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>say what!?
The best feature of a wireless mouse is the built in UPS.
Sure the computer is as useless as a brick when the powers out, but I can rest assured that my mouse will work for hours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643743</id>
	<title>mxrev</title>
	<author>Sarreq Teryx</author>
	<datestamp>1247140140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like my logitech MX Revolution. plenty of buttons, and super fast scrolling when you need</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like my logitech MX Revolution .
plenty of buttons , and super fast scrolling when you need</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like my logitech MX Revolution.
plenty of buttons, and super fast scrolling when you need</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644649</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247145660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree completely, get a corded mouse and you'll have one less device that interferes with your workflow. The precision and response time is better from a corded mouse also.</p><p>Get one with a cloth cord rather than a plastic cord, the reduced coefficient of friction and anti-tangle properties really help, I never notice the cord on mine. Adjustable weights help as well. Something like this: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/359&amp;cl=au,en</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree completely , get a corded mouse and you 'll have one less device that interferes with your workflow .
The precision and response time is better from a corded mouse also.Get one with a cloth cord rather than a plastic cord , the reduced coefficient of friction and anti-tangle properties really help , I never notice the cord on mine .
Adjustable weights help as well .
Something like this : http : //www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice \ _pointers/mice/devices/359&amp;cl = au,en</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree completely, get a corded mouse and you'll have one less device that interferes with your workflow.
The precision and response time is better from a corded mouse also.Get one with a cloth cord rather than a plastic cord, the reduced coefficient of friction and anti-tangle properties really help, I never notice the cord on mine.
Adjustable weights help as well.
Something like this: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/359&amp;cl=au,en</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645147</id>
	<title>Cmon, gentlepersons.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247149860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah, this is why I don't read<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. any more! I'd forgot. Pointless comments to a straightforward question by know-nothings thinking themselves savant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , this is why I do n't read / .
any more !
I 'd forgot .
Pointless comments to a straightforward question by know-nothings thinking themselves savant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, this is why I don't read /.
any more!
I'd forgot.
Pointless comments to a straightforward question by know-nothings thinking themselves savant.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644989</id>
	<title>That shouldn't be hard.</title>
	<author>Minwee</author>
	<datestamp>1247148540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just go to the store, pick up every mouse you find and speak directly into it.
</p><p>"Computer?"
</p><p>The first one that answers you is the one you want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just go to the store , pick up every mouse you find and speak directly into it .
" Computer ? " The first one that answers you is the one you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just go to the store, pick up every mouse you find and speak directly into it.
"Computer?"
The first one that answers you is the one you want.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648867</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>uncledrax</author>
	<datestamp>1247236980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm with you on this..

The cord is only occasionally an issue on my mouse, and a complete non-issue on my trackball (since the device never moves, the cord never gets in the way)
(Having a Trackball at work and a mouse at home helps prevent RSI)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm with you on this. . The cord is only occasionally an issue on my mouse , and a complete non-issue on my trackball ( since the device never moves , the cord never gets in the way ) ( Having a Trackball at work and a mouse at home helps prevent RSI )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm with you on this..

The cord is only occasionally an issue on my mouse, and a complete non-issue on my trackball (since the device never moves, the cord never gets in the way)
(Having a Trackball at work and a mouse at home helps prevent RSI)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642481</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647805</id>
	<title>My choice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247229480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Best thing to have is not mouse but a pointing device near keyboard. I have Mousetrapper Advance and its awesome.</p><p>Using mouse if you write much isnt ergonomical at all and will cause you hand problems before or later</p><p>http://www.mousetrapper.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Best thing to have is not mouse but a pointing device near keyboard .
I have Mousetrapper Advance and its awesome.Using mouse if you write much isnt ergonomical at all and will cause you hand problems before or laterhttp : //www.mousetrapper.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Best thing to have is not mouse but a pointing device near keyboard.
I have Mousetrapper Advance and its awesome.Using mouse if you write much isnt ergonomical at all and will cause you hand problems before or laterhttp://www.mousetrapper.com/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644963</id>
	<title>Re:IBM Trackpoint</title>
	<author>Minwee</author>
	<datestamp>1247148300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>IBM trackpoint</p></div></blockquote><p>Come on, don't be afraid to call it by it's proper name.  It's a Red Crested Clitmouse.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>IBM trackpointCome on , do n't be afraid to call it by it 's proper name .
It 's a Red Crested Clitmouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IBM trackpointCome on, don't be afraid to call it by it's proper name.
It's a Red Crested Clitmouse.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642411</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643097</id>
	<title>How to make mouse arrow fade away</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1247137380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How can I make the mouse pointer ARROW fade away?<br>
You know, like magic somehow?<br>
I am building a <a href="http://www.benedicts.webs.com/howtobuildawallthing.htm" title="webs.com" rel="nofollow">kiosk and that pblm is killing me (winDoz).</a> [webs.com] <br>
Not that I don't want to get in this wonderful discussion, but damnit, someone point me to a trick or sw solution...!</htmltext>
<tokenext>How can I make the mouse pointer ARROW fade away ?
You know , like magic somehow ?
I am building a kiosk and that pblm is killing me ( winDoz ) .
[ webs.com ] Not that I do n't want to get in this wonderful discussion , but damnit , someone point me to a trick or sw solution... !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can I make the mouse pointer ARROW fade away?
You know, like magic somehow?
I am building a kiosk and that pblm is killing me (winDoz).
[webs.com] 
Not that I don't want to get in this wonderful discussion, but damnit, someone point me to a trick or sw solution...!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642769</id>
	<title>Logitech MX518</title>
	<author>rwbaskette</author>
	<datestamp>1247135940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I happen to love this mouse.  have two of them, one for the office and one for home.</p><p>I've converted a friend of mine as well. He now has 3 for office, home and travel.</p><p>Don't be put off by the gamer-mouse facade, it's a workhorse... for a mouse anyway.</p><p><a href="http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/187&amp;cl=US,EN" title="logitech.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/187&amp;cl=US,EN</a> [logitech.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I happen to love this mouse .
have two of them , one for the office and one for home.I 've converted a friend of mine as well .
He now has 3 for office , home and travel.Do n't be put off by the gamer-mouse facade , it 's a workhorse... for a mouse anyway.http : //www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice \ _pointers/mice/devices/187&amp;cl = US,EN [ logitech.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I happen to love this mouse.
have two of them, one for the office and one for home.I've converted a friend of mine as well.
He now has 3 for office, home and travel.Don't be put off by the gamer-mouse facade, it's a workhorse... for a mouse anyway.http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/mice/devices/187&amp;cl=US,EN [logitech.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28649069</id>
	<title>You idiot!  Those towers are \_silos\_.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247237880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You idiot!  Those towers are \_silos\_, and nothing is better at getting into granaries than a \_mouse\_!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You idiot !
Those towers are \ _silos \ _ , and nothing is better at getting into granaries than a \ _mouse \ _ !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You idiot!
Those towers are \_silos\_, and nothing is better at getting into granaries than a \_mouse\_!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642463</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28648289</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>Tanaka</author>
	<datestamp>1247233740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a wireless "Battery Free" mouse. I have one of these http://www.a4tech.com/ennew/products.asp?cid=142&amp;scid=92 and it's great.  Cheaper than the Logitech I replaced it with, that needed a new battery once a day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a wireless " Battery Free " mouse .
I have one of these http : //www.a4tech.com/ennew/products.asp ? cid = 142&amp;scid = 92 and it 's great .
Cheaper than the Logitech I replaced it with , that needed a new battery once a day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a wireless "Battery Free" mouse.
I have one of these http://www.a4tech.com/ennew/products.asp?cid=142&amp;scid=92 and it's great.
Cheaper than the Logitech I replaced it with, that needed a new battery once a day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643957</id>
	<title>Microsoft 8000</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247141280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Big, heavy, lots of buttons, left or right handed, wireless</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Big , heavy , lots of buttons , left or right handed , wireless</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Big, heavy, lots of buttons, left or right handed, wireless</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646439</id>
	<title>MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer</title>
	<author>Legion303</author>
	<datestamp>1247167380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Two main mouse buttons, a scroll wheel that also tilts and acts as button #3, and two convenient thumb buttons on the side. I have two now, one for the desktop and one for the laptop. Say what you will about their OS division, but MS makes (or puts their name on, anyway) damn fine hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Two main mouse buttons , a scroll wheel that also tilts and acts as button # 3 , and two convenient thumb buttons on the side .
I have two now , one for the desktop and one for the laptop .
Say what you will about their OS division , but MS makes ( or puts their name on , anyway ) damn fine hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two main mouse buttons, a scroll wheel that also tilts and acts as button #3, and two convenient thumb buttons on the side.
I have two now, one for the desktop and one for the laptop.
Say what you will about their OS division, but MS makes (or puts their name on, anyway) damn fine hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645397</id>
	<title>3 (or 4) button mice</title>
	<author>Trogre</author>
	<datestamp>1247152020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know how any mouse would benefit programming, but for serious computing IMO one needs a 3 button mouse.  Not these half-button-half-wheel monstrosities that seem to have permeated the market nowadays.  For a good old model I can't go past the A4tech 4-button mice like <a href="http://www.mitcomputers.ca/products/input/mice/A400004.jpg" title="mitcomputers.ca">this one</a> [mitcomputers.ca].</p><p>Pros:<br>Three actual buttons on top, requiring the same amount of pressure per button is a must-have feature AFAIAC<br>Natural locations for each finger, without requiring heavy sideways movement.<br>Two scroll wheels (okay I only use one, but just emphasising the fact that it is *separate* from the buttons)<br>Thumb button is nice<br>Wired.  Though not so popular now I consider this a pro since I don't like replacing batteries.</p><p>Cons:<br>Opto-mechanical, ie not optical.  This is a show-stopper for many.<br>Obsolete.  They're PS/2 only and hard to find these days.</p><p>Any modern mouse that had three proper buttons on top would probably do just as well.  Does anyone know of any?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know how any mouse would benefit programming , but for serious computing IMO one needs a 3 button mouse .
Not these half-button-half-wheel monstrosities that seem to have permeated the market nowadays .
For a good old model I ca n't go past the A4tech 4-button mice like this one [ mitcomputers.ca ] .Pros : Three actual buttons on top , requiring the same amount of pressure per button is a must-have feature AFAIACNatural locations for each finger , without requiring heavy sideways movement.Two scroll wheels ( okay I only use one , but just emphasising the fact that it is * separate * from the buttons ) Thumb button is niceWired .
Though not so popular now I consider this a pro since I do n't like replacing batteries.Cons : Opto-mechanical , ie not optical .
This is a show-stopper for many.Obsolete .
They 're PS/2 only and hard to find these days.Any modern mouse that had three proper buttons on top would probably do just as well .
Does anyone know of any ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know how any mouse would benefit programming, but for serious computing IMO one needs a 3 button mouse.
Not these half-button-half-wheel monstrosities that seem to have permeated the market nowadays.
For a good old model I can't go past the A4tech 4-button mice like this one [mitcomputers.ca].Pros:Three actual buttons on top, requiring the same amount of pressure per button is a must-have feature AFAIACNatural locations for each finger, without requiring heavy sideways movement.Two scroll wheels (okay I only use one, but just emphasising the fact that it is *separate* from the buttons)Thumb button is niceWired.
Though not so popular now I consider this a pro since I don't like replacing batteries.Cons:Opto-mechanical, ie not optical.
This is a show-stopper for many.Obsolete.
They're PS/2 only and hard to find these days.Any modern mouse that had three proper buttons on top would probably do just as well.
Does anyone know of any?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28649901</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX1100</title>
	<author>Gorphrim</author>
	<datestamp>1247241180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unless, like me, you use the mouse with your left hand...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless , like me , you use the mouse with your left hand.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless, like me, you use the mouse with your left hand...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642443</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644133</id>
	<title>Re:Why he asked about the mouse</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1247142360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not on this site. Not unless he wanted to see 300 posts extolling the virtues of the Model M. Ugh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not on this site .
Not unless he wanted to see 300 posts extolling the virtues of the Model M. Ugh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not on this site.
Not unless he wanted to see 300 posts extolling the virtues of the Model M. Ugh.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642499</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642463</id>
	<title>Hack  the Gibson!</title>
	<author>eln</author>
	<datestamp>1247134860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do all my programming by floating through a giant VR simulation of the computer's memory with various bits of code randomly located in countless giant towers.  I don't see why you would need a "mouse" for such a thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do all my programming by floating through a giant VR simulation of the computer 's memory with various bits of code randomly located in countless giant towers .
I do n't see why you would need a " mouse " for such a thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do all my programming by floating through a giant VR simulation of the computer's memory with various bits of code randomly located in countless giant towers.
I don't see why you would need a "mouse" for such a thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643863</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX Revolution</title>
	<author>pavelthesecond</author>
	<datestamp>1247140740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When it first came out I was taken in by all that marketing noise and got it. After using it for a few months I went back to my trusty old MX1000. At least for me the revolution is not nearly as comfortable. Plus its got fewer buttons. The smart scroll wheel thing is cool but just not as nice at cruise control on the MX1000.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When it first came out I was taken in by all that marketing noise and got it .
After using it for a few months I went back to my trusty old MX1000 .
At least for me the revolution is not nearly as comfortable .
Plus its got fewer buttons .
The smart scroll wheel thing is cool but just not as nice at cruise control on the MX1000 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When it first came out I was taken in by all that marketing noise and got it.
After using it for a few months I went back to my trusty old MX1000.
At least for me the revolution is not nearly as comfortable.
Plus its got fewer buttons.
The smart scroll wheel thing is cool but just not as nice at cruise control on the MX1000.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645565</id>
	<title>Re:MX Revolution for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247153640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Apart from the fact that I have to keep a clear line-of-sight between the mouse and receiver (stupid for an RF device if you ask me,</i> </p><p>Are you sure you mean RF and not IR?</p><p>Line of sight shouldn't matter to an RF device.</p><p>A friend of mine has a true RF device that's a dongle that gets stuck into a USB port on the back of his laptop, so no line of sight there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apart from the fact that I have to keep a clear line-of-sight between the mouse and receiver ( stupid for an RF device if you ask me , Are you sure you mean RF and not IR ? Line of sight should n't matter to an RF device.A friend of mine has a true RF device that 's a dongle that gets stuck into a USB port on the back of his laptop , so no line of sight there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apart from the fact that I have to keep a clear line-of-sight between the mouse and receiver (stupid for an RF device if you ask me, Are you sure you mean RF and not IR?Line of sight shouldn't matter to an RF device.A friend of mine has a true RF device that's a dongle that gets stuck into a USB port on the back of his laptop, so no line of sight there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642507</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644019</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247141640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>[...]stupid as the idea that the mouse you use matters.</p></div><p>
I disagree with that last sentiment, because the mouse definitely matters on one level.  A cheap, generic, shipped-with-the-PC mouse flat out sucks. The buttons wear out, or the Teflon pads peel off.  Much worse (and more subtle) is a mouse that's not very precise:  I was having unexplained hand-cramps for a while until I realized I had to fine-tune every mouse click -- the cheapo mouse was not accurate, and I was subconsciously compensating for it with finger and hand muscles.  I threw that mouse away and bought a decent optical mouse, and haven't had a problem since.
</p><p>
But no, I don't think any programmer ever needs a 27-button mouse with four scroll wheels, a built-in joystick, thumbprint scanner, and 128x80 OLED touch display, either.  Two buttons plus a scroll wheel is pretty standard, and serves my purposes well.  More buttons than that and not only does it bring an extra learning curve, but all the magical shortcuts and crutches are gone when you use someone else's vanilla mouse.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ ... ] stupid as the idea that the mouse you use matters .
I disagree with that last sentiment , because the mouse definitely matters on one level .
A cheap , generic , shipped-with-the-PC mouse flat out sucks .
The buttons wear out , or the Teflon pads peel off .
Much worse ( and more subtle ) is a mouse that 's not very precise : I was having unexplained hand-cramps for a while until I realized I had to fine-tune every mouse click -- the cheapo mouse was not accurate , and I was subconsciously compensating for it with finger and hand muscles .
I threw that mouse away and bought a decent optical mouse , and have n't had a problem since .
But no , I do n't think any programmer ever needs a 27-button mouse with four scroll wheels , a built-in joystick , thumbprint scanner , and 128x80 OLED touch display , either .
Two buttons plus a scroll wheel is pretty standard , and serves my purposes well .
More buttons than that and not only does it bring an extra learning curve , but all the magical shortcuts and crutches are gone when you use someone else 's vanilla mouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[...]stupid as the idea that the mouse you use matters.
I disagree with that last sentiment, because the mouse definitely matters on one level.
A cheap, generic, shipped-with-the-PC mouse flat out sucks.
The buttons wear out, or the Teflon pads peel off.
Much worse (and more subtle) is a mouse that's not very precise:  I was having unexplained hand-cramps for a while until I realized I had to fine-tune every mouse click -- the cheapo mouse was not accurate, and I was subconsciously compensating for it with finger and hand muscles.
I threw that mouse away and bought a decent optical mouse, and haven't had a problem since.
But no, I don't think any programmer ever needs a 27-button mouse with four scroll wheels, a built-in joystick, thumbprint scanner, and 128x80 OLED touch display, either.
Two buttons plus a scroll wheel is pretty standard, and serves my purposes well.
More buttons than that and not only does it bring an extra learning curve, but all the magical shortcuts and crutches are gone when you use someone else's vanilla mouse.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644099</id>
	<title>Re:Why a mouse?</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1247142240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about you, but I open character map and copy and paste each letter that I need.</p><p>This post only took about 10 minutes to write, so I don't think it's slowing me down that much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about you , but I open character map and copy and paste each letter that I need.This post only took about 10 minutes to write , so I do n't think it 's slowing me down that much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about you, but I open character map and copy and paste each letter that I need.This post only took about 10 minutes to write, so I don't think it's slowing me down that much.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646033</id>
	<title>Logitech</title>
	<author>moniker127</author>
	<datestamp>1247161380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any optical mouse by logitech. I prefer fast RF wireless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any optical mouse by logitech .
I prefer fast RF wireless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any optical mouse by logitech.
I prefer fast RF wireless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647849</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247230080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the programmers at Duke Nukem are better than that: they did 100\% thinking and planning, and 0\% typing. Must make them pretty good, and they don't need a mouse or keyboard!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the programmers at Duke Nukem are better than that : they did 100 \ % thinking and planning , and 0 \ % typing .
Must make them pretty good , and they do n't need a mouse or keyboard !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the programmers at Duke Nukem are better than that: they did 100\% thinking and planning, and 0\% typing.
Must make them pretty good, and they don't need a mouse or keyboard!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642831</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28649525</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX1100</title>
	<author>edalytical</author>
	<datestamp>1247239740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That thing causes RSI. It's not ergonomic in the least.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That thing causes RSI .
It 's not ergonomic in the least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That thing causes RSI.
It's not ergonomic in the least.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642443</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644607</id>
	<title>Re:Why a mouse?</title>
	<author>ogl\_codemonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1247145120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed, but you may need a more robust keyboard for the strongly-typed ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed , but you may need a more robust keyboard for the strongly-typed ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed, but you may need a more robust keyboard for the strongly-typed ones.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642589</id>
	<title>Jedi masters don't use mice...</title>
	<author>Dmritard96</author>
	<datestamp>1247135280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Admit it, you don't really want a mouse, you want jedi powers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Admit it , you do n't really want a mouse , you want jedi powers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Admit it, you don't really want a mouse, you want jedi powers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643783</id>
	<title>Whatever makes you happy</title>
	<author>gknoy</author>
	<datestamp>1247140260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any mouse that makes your hand happy, and pleases you.</p><p>I happen to really enjoy my Razer Copperhead, and the Logitech mouse I have at work. I like that they are symmetrical, and not at all tied to whether I use them left or right handed.  Some people love "ergonomic" mice, I don't.  Go to the store and feel some mice.  Not everyone holds a mouse in the same way, so you will want to find one that works for you.  You've already cut off many (all) mice that I like by requiring a wireless mouse<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but as with all interface devices, your preferences are more important.</p><p>Consider a trackball, also.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any mouse that makes your hand happy , and pleases you.I happen to really enjoy my Razer Copperhead , and the Logitech mouse I have at work .
I like that they are symmetrical , and not at all tied to whether I use them left or right handed .
Some people love " ergonomic " mice , I do n't .
Go to the store and feel some mice .
Not everyone holds a mouse in the same way , so you will want to find one that works for you .
You 've already cut off many ( all ) mice that I like by requiring a wireless mouse ... but as with all interface devices , your preferences are more important.Consider a trackball , also .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any mouse that makes your hand happy, and pleases you.I happen to really enjoy my Razer Copperhead, and the Logitech mouse I have at work.
I like that they are symmetrical, and not at all tied to whether I use them left or right handed.
Some people love "ergonomic" mice, I don't.
Go to the store and feel some mice.
Not everyone holds a mouse in the same way, so you will want to find one that works for you.
You've already cut off many (all) mice that I like by requiring a wireless mouse ... but as with all interface devices, your preferences are more important.Consider a trackball, also.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644767</id>
	<title>Re:The real question is....</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1247146560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They type of chick that will kill the guy with the gun, and then get back to blowing you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They type of chick that will kill the guy with the gun , and then get back to blowing you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They type of chick that will kill the guy with the gun, and then get back to blowing you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642779</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644589</id>
	<title>Re:IBM Trackpoint</title>
	<author>Formica</author>
	<datestamp>1247145000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do this too, even for medium CAD applications (electronic schematic and pcb work).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do this too , even for medium CAD applications ( electronic schematic and pcb work ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do this too, even for medium CAD applications (electronic schematic and pcb work).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642411</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28653733</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX Revolution</title>
	<author>PhotoBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1247257140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I couldn't agree more, the MX Revolution is fantastic for coding. Its best feature in my book is the SmartShift tech which makes scrolling through code such a breeze! It's a real shame that Logitech have abandoned SmartShift on all their newer mice, requiring the user to manually shift between modes rather than letting the mouse shift itself when it detects heavy scrolling. Still I'm sure I'll be able to pick up Revolutions on eBay for a few years to come...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could n't agree more , the MX Revolution is fantastic for coding .
Its best feature in my book is the SmartShift tech which makes scrolling through code such a breeze !
It 's a real shame that Logitech have abandoned SmartShift on all their newer mice , requiring the user to manually shift between modes rather than letting the mouse shift itself when it detects heavy scrolling .
Still I 'm sure I 'll be able to pick up Revolutions on eBay for a few years to come.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I couldn't agree more, the MX Revolution is fantastic for coding.
Its best feature in my book is the SmartShift tech which makes scrolling through code such a breeze!
It's a real shame that Logitech have abandoned SmartShift on all their newer mice, requiring the user to manually shift between modes rather than letting the mouse shift itself when it detects heavy scrolling.
Still I'm sure I'll be able to pick up Revolutions on eBay for a few years to come...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642449</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28657215</id>
	<title>Re:mx revolution</title>
	<author>Mr2001</author>
	<datestamp>1247239980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm enjoying my Logitech MX Revolution, has 3 buttons, a thumbwheel and a scrollwheel with swivel(so, 5 buttons total).</p></div><p>Sounds like you're missing some parts. My MX Revolution has:</p><p>left button<br>tilt wheel (up, down, left, right, click)<br>right button<br>search button<br>forward button<br>back button<br>thumbwheel (left, right, click)</p><p>Which is 7 to 13 buttons depending on whether you count the wheel movements.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm enjoying my Logitech MX Revolution , has 3 buttons , a thumbwheel and a scrollwheel with swivel ( so , 5 buttons total ) .Sounds like you 're missing some parts .
My MX Revolution has : left buttontilt wheel ( up , down , left , right , click ) right buttonsearch buttonforward buttonback buttonthumbwheel ( left , right , click ) Which is 7 to 13 buttons depending on whether you count the wheel movements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm enjoying my Logitech MX Revolution, has 3 buttons, a thumbwheel and a scrollwheel with swivel(so, 5 buttons total).Sounds like you're missing some parts.
My MX Revolution has:left buttontilt wheel (up, down, left, right, click)right buttonsearch buttonforward buttonback buttonthumbwheel (left, right, click)Which is 7 to 13 buttons depending on whether you count the wheel movements.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642539</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642941</id>
	<title>You don't need to see my recommendation...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247136600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"We don't need to see..."</p><p>Wait. I mean,</p><p>
&nbsp; I want a mouse that is not wireless (so it doesn't lag and weigh a ton), Has a real ball, because I need an excuse to stop every few months and scraping sludge off the mouse rollers is a nearly perfect pastime, has 3 buttons only, because lots of buttons are stupid and useless, is not overbuilt and expensive but light as a feather, so the pointer goes where I am thinking.</p><p>Oh, and no trackball. I hate those.</p><p>Anyone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" We do n't need to see... " Wait .
I mean ,   I want a mouse that is not wireless ( so it does n't lag and weigh a ton ) , Has a real ball , because I need an excuse to stop every few months and scraping sludge off the mouse rollers is a nearly perfect pastime , has 3 buttons only , because lots of buttons are stupid and useless , is not overbuilt and expensive but light as a feather , so the pointer goes where I am thinking.Oh , and no trackball .
I hate those.Anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We don't need to see..."Wait.
I mean,
  I want a mouse that is not wireless (so it doesn't lag and weigh a ton), Has a real ball, because I need an excuse to stop every few months and scraping sludge off the mouse rollers is a nearly perfect pastime, has 3 buttons only, because lots of buttons are stupid and useless, is not overbuilt and expensive but light as a feather, so the pointer goes where I am thinking.Oh, and no trackball.
I hate those.Anyone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645129</id>
	<title>oddly enough...</title>
	<author>DragonTHC</author>
	<datestamp>1247149620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really am hooked on my logitech g9.</p><p>It's got an ass-load of buttons, on-the-fly sensitivity, and it's weight adjustable.</p><p>You can buy different grips to get a good hand-feel.</p><p>Yes, it's meant for gaming, but it's very functional.  Though it's corded.</p><p>It's not cheap enough to try out though.  It requires acclimation since it is a radically different design from any other mouse.</p><p>It's like a street rod.  dropped and chopped.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really am hooked on my logitech g9.It 's got an ass-load of buttons , on-the-fly sensitivity , and it 's weight adjustable.You can buy different grips to get a good hand-feel.Yes , it 's meant for gaming , but it 's very functional .
Though it 's corded.It 's not cheap enough to try out though .
It requires acclimation since it is a radically different design from any other mouse.It 's like a street rod .
dropped and chopped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really am hooked on my logitech g9.It's got an ass-load of buttons, on-the-fly sensitivity, and it's weight adjustable.You can buy different grips to get a good hand-feel.Yes, it's meant for gaming, but it's very functional.
Though it's corded.It's not cheap enough to try out though.
It requires acclimation since it is a radically different design from any other mouse.It's like a street rod.
dropped and chopped.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642809</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>IsaacD</author>
	<datestamp>1247136120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries, recharging...</p></div><p>but if the electricity is out, you can't use your mouse!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries , recharging...but if the electricity is out , you ca n't use your mouse !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never want to have to worry about replacing batteries, recharging...but if the electricity is out, you can't use your mouse!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28644617</id>
	<title>Re:KVM?</title>
	<author>Col. Klink (retired)</author>
	<datestamp>1247145180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heck, I have a KVM won't even work with a wheel mouse.  So the KVM swaps the monitor and keyboard, but I have two mice.</p><p>I have another USB KVM and that's even worse.  It doesn't have any keyboard shortcuts to swap devices, and everytime it swaps I have to wait 10 seconds while the computer re-initializes the USB mouse and keyboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heck , I have a KVM wo n't even work with a wheel mouse .
So the KVM swaps the monitor and keyboard , but I have two mice.I have another USB KVM and that 's even worse .
It does n't have any keyboard shortcuts to swap devices , and everytime it swaps I have to wait 10 seconds while the computer re-initializes the USB mouse and keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heck, I have a KVM won't even work with a wheel mouse.
So the KVM swaps the monitor and keyboard, but I have two mice.I have another USB KVM and that's even worse.
It doesn't have any keyboard shortcuts to swap devices, and everytime it swaps I have to wait 10 seconds while the computer re-initializes the USB mouse and keyboard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642375</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646443</id>
	<title>Re:Why a mouse?</title>
	<author>laejoh</author>
	<datestamp>1247167440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, some languages are, others aren't. Perl for example is not a strongly typed language<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , some languages are , others are n't .
Perl for example is not a strongly typed language : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, some languages are, others aren't.
Perl for example is not a strongly typed language :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642839</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642703</id>
	<title>Logitech Trackman Marble</title>
	<author>Whuffo</author>
	<datestamp>1247135700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Works good and is super easy to navigate once you get used to it. It resists crud build up - and it's stationary on your desk. Knowing how free desk space is at a premium in the real world of programming, this works out very, very well.

My biggest use of it? The scroll wheel is invaluable for paging through long docs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Works good and is super easy to navigate once you get used to it .
It resists crud build up - and it 's stationary on your desk .
Knowing how free desk space is at a premium in the real world of programming , this works out very , very well .
My biggest use of it ?
The scroll wheel is invaluable for paging through long docs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Works good and is super easy to navigate once you get used to it.
It resists crud build up - and it's stationary on your desk.
Knowing how free desk space is at a premium in the real world of programming, this works out very, very well.
My biggest use of it?
The scroll wheel is invaluable for paging through long docs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28643801</id>
	<title>Re:MX Revolution for me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247140380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup.  Amazing mouse, but not for small hands.  You only get 3 days??  I game with this mouse, putting in more than 8 hours a day into an FPS and a full mouse charge will last 6 days easily.  If I don't use it for gaming (just typical web surfing, coding, what not) then the mouse will last more than a week, which I never cared to keep track of.  I just wish the receiver was smaller and with a better antenna, but they did keep the cost down (a replacement is $10).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup .
Amazing mouse , but not for small hands .
You only get 3 days ? ?
I game with this mouse , putting in more than 8 hours a day into an FPS and a full mouse charge will last 6 days easily .
If I do n't use it for gaming ( just typical web surfing , coding , what not ) then the mouse will last more than a week , which I never cared to keep track of .
I just wish the receiver was smaller and with a better antenna , but they did keep the cost down ( a replacement is $ 10 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup.
Amazing mouse, but not for small hands.
You only get 3 days??
I game with this mouse, putting in more than 8 hours a day into an FPS and a full mouse charge will last 6 days easily.
If I don't use it for gaming (just typical web surfing, coding, what not) then the mouse will last more than a week, which I never cared to keep track of.
I just wish the receiver was smaller and with a better antenna, but they did keep the cost down (a replacement is $10).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642507</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645033</id>
	<title>Re:Why a mouse?</title>
	<author>Whillowhim</author>
	<datestamp>1247148840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously you've never been forced to use Labview by some odd piece of testing equipment.  You should count your blessings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously you 've never been forced to use Labview by some odd piece of testing equipment .
You should count your blessings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously you've never been forced to use Labview by some odd piece of testing equipment.
You should count your blessings.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642839</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28651147</id>
	<title>Use vim, but for general use, get a Logitech</title>
	<author>Phred T. Magnificent</author>
	<datestamp>1247246100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For programming, use vim and stay away from the mouse.  For general use, though, I'd go with one of these: <a href="http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/trackballs/devices/166&amp;cl=us,en" title="logitech.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/trackballs/devices/166&amp;cl=us,en</a> [logitech.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>For programming , use vim and stay away from the mouse .
For general use , though , I 'd go with one of these : http : //www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice \ _pointers/trackballs/devices/166&amp;cl = us,en [ logitech.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For programming, use vim and stay away from the mouse.
For general use, though, I'd go with one of these: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice\_pointers/trackballs/devices/166&amp;cl=us,en [logitech.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28647619</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech MX1100</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247226660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The perfect mouse for coding is the Logitech G11.</p><p>given it's not wireless, or a mouse at all, it's got a button for every letter of the alphabet and many more. if, like me, you're a linux geek enslaved to work in the coding mines of some m$ shop, you will love to call the hidden functions of an overly complicated visual studio over one of the many programmable hotbuttons - there are 18 of them that run in 3 modes each, so that makes 54 hotbutton macros. that makes the mouse obsolete for the majority of tasks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The perfect mouse for coding is the Logitech G11.given it 's not wireless , or a mouse at all , it 's got a button for every letter of the alphabet and many more .
if , like me , you 're a linux geek enslaved to work in the coding mines of some m $ shop , you will love to call the hidden functions of an overly complicated visual studio over one of the many programmable hotbuttons - there are 18 of them that run in 3 modes each , so that makes 54 hotbutton macros .
that makes the mouse obsolete for the majority of tasks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The perfect mouse for coding is the Logitech G11.given it's not wireless, or a mouse at all, it's got a button for every letter of the alphabet and many more.
if, like me, you're a linux geek enslaved to work in the coding mines of some m$ shop, you will love to call the hidden functions of an overly complicated visual studio over one of the many programmable hotbuttons - there are 18 of them that run in 3 modes each, so that makes 54 hotbutton macros.
that makes the mouse obsolete for the majority of tasks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642443</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645527</id>
	<title>Re:Why a mouse?</title>
	<author>vikstar</author>
	<datestamp>1247153340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is the short sighted view of programming. If you're designing user interfaces you need a mouse. If you want to use a mouse to scroll through documentation, access IDE options, open source files, quickly navigate through code etc, you need a mouse. Sure, if you're an uber autofelacious emacs/vi guru looking at nothing but a black terminal window coding in nothing but obfuscated c and swearing that everything can be done by the keyboard since you know 10,000 keyboard shortcuts, then yeah, maybe in your line of work of hacking the linux kernel you don't need a mouse. If you're one of the remaining 99.99994\% *real* developers or software engineers, then you need a mouse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is the short sighted view of programming .
If you 're designing user interfaces you need a mouse .
If you want to use a mouse to scroll through documentation , access IDE options , open source files , quickly navigate through code etc , you need a mouse .
Sure , if you 're an uber autofelacious emacs/vi guru looking at nothing but a black terminal window coding in nothing but obfuscated c and swearing that everything can be done by the keyboard since you know 10,000 keyboard shortcuts , then yeah , maybe in your line of work of hacking the linux kernel you do n't need a mouse .
If you 're one of the remaining 99.99994 \ % * real * developers or software engineers , then you need a mouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is the short sighted view of programming.
If you're designing user interfaces you need a mouse.
If you want to use a mouse to scroll through documentation, access IDE options, open source files, quickly navigate through code etc, you need a mouse.
Sure, if you're an uber autofelacious emacs/vi guru looking at nothing but a black terminal window coding in nothing but obfuscated c and swearing that everything can be done by the keyboard since you know 10,000 keyboard shortcuts, then yeah, maybe in your line of work of hacking the linux kernel you don't need a mouse.
If you're one of the remaining 99.99994\% *real* developers or software engineers, then you need a mouse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642839</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28651047</id>
	<title>Kinetica OmniHamsterMouse</title>
	<author>dr.fill</author>
	<datestamp>1247245500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am developing a Kinetica OmniHamsterMouse, that uses small coils and weights that function as a little dynamo to charge the battery. It has a (detachable) USB wire as well, so any excess power generated by violent Hamstermouse moves will charge a laptop battery.
Additional solarpanels can be placed on top of the mouse, so when your hand is on your keyboard (or somewhere else), the last bit of light in your room is captured to charge the battery !

Inside the HamsterMouse, you can replace the optical sensor module with a HamsterRunningWheel (tm) and actually place a small hamster with GPS in it, so it will act as a sort of powersteering for your crazy mousemoves.. no more RSI ! Of course it comes with sedative pills to keep the hamster from running amok.
Modulair hydrogen and -nuclear power units are being developed, so you will no more risk running out of power!
If you place orders now, you will receive 2 genuine OldSchoolMice. You know, the ones they used back in 2008. Always works!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am developing a Kinetica OmniHamsterMouse , that uses small coils and weights that function as a little dynamo to charge the battery .
It has a ( detachable ) USB wire as well , so any excess power generated by violent Hamstermouse moves will charge a laptop battery .
Additional solarpanels can be placed on top of the mouse , so when your hand is on your keyboard ( or somewhere else ) , the last bit of light in your room is captured to charge the battery !
Inside the HamsterMouse , you can replace the optical sensor module with a HamsterRunningWheel ( tm ) and actually place a small hamster with GPS in it , so it will act as a sort of powersteering for your crazy mousemoves.. no more RSI !
Of course it comes with sedative pills to keep the hamster from running amok .
Modulair hydrogen and -nuclear power units are being developed , so you will no more risk running out of power !
If you place orders now , you will receive 2 genuine OldSchoolMice .
You know , the ones they used back in 2008 .
Always works !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am developing a Kinetica OmniHamsterMouse, that uses small coils and weights that function as a little dynamo to charge the battery.
It has a (detachable) USB wire as well, so any excess power generated by violent Hamstermouse moves will charge a laptop battery.
Additional solarpanels can be placed on top of the mouse, so when your hand is on your keyboard (or somewhere else), the last bit of light in your room is captured to charge the battery !
Inside the HamsterMouse, you can replace the optical sensor module with a HamsterRunningWheel (tm) and actually place a small hamster with GPS in it, so it will act as a sort of powersteering for your crazy mousemoves.. no more RSI !
Of course it comes with sedative pills to keep the hamster from running amok.
Modulair hydrogen and -nuclear power units are being developed, so you will no more risk running out of power!
If you place orders now, you will receive 2 genuine OldSchoolMice.
You know, the ones they used back in 2008.
Always works!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28656215</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>idr</author>
	<datestamp>1247229780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>On a separate note, modern IDEs, such as Eclipse, require the use of the mouse. I would argue that this streamlines the coding process, leaving the developer to focus on the actual design and logic.</p></div><p>Any tool that <em>requires</em> you to use it in a particular way is just plain broken.  I should be able to dictate to the tool how I will use it, not the other way around.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On a separate note , modern IDEs , such as Eclipse , require the use of the mouse .
I would argue that this streamlines the coding process , leaving the developer to focus on the actual design and logic.Any tool that requires you to use it in a particular way is just plain broken .
I should be able to dictate to the tool how I will use it , not the other way around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On a separate note, modern IDEs, such as Eclipse, require the use of the mouse.
I would argue that this streamlines the coding process, leaving the developer to focus on the actual design and logic.Any tool that requires you to use it in a particular way is just plain broken.
I should be able to dictate to the tool how I will use it, not the other way around.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642713</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28646467</id>
	<title>Re:Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247167980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Firefox at least has great mouse support.</p><p>I have posted this comment using the keyboard alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Firefox at least has great mouse support.I have posted this comment using the keyboard alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Firefox at least has great mouse support.I have posted this comment using the keyboard alone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642727</id>
	<title>Re:Huh? WTF is a programming mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't think I've ever heard of any real programmer needing a mouse to code</p></div><p>Well how the hell else are you supposed to join up the tables in Access?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think I 've ever heard of any real programmer needing a mouse to codeWell how the hell else are you supposed to join up the tables in Access ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think I've ever heard of any real programmer needing a mouse to codeWell how the hell else are you supposed to join up the tables in Access?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642359</id>
	<title>Mouse?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247134500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when can you use a mouse in Emacs or VI?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when can you use a mouse in Emacs or VI ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when can you use a mouse in Emacs or VI?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28654735</id>
	<title>Re:Programming + Mouse ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247218980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Programming is 90\% thinking/planning, and 10\% typing</p><p>If that's all the coding you're doing, that's really unimpressive.  It really shouldn't take 90\% of your time to figure out how to solve a problem so small that it only takes 10\% of your time to code it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Programming is 90 \ % thinking/planning , and 10 \ % typingIf that 's all the coding you 're doing , that 's really unimpressive .
It really should n't take 90 \ % of your time to figure out how to solve a problem so small that it only takes 10 \ % of your time to code it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Programming is 90\% thinking/planning, and 10\% typingIf that's all the coding you're doing, that's really unimpressive.
It really shouldn't take 90\% of your time to figure out how to solve a problem so small that it only takes 10\% of your time to code it up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642831</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642687</id>
	<title>Re:Logitech Marble Mouse</title>
	<author>jimbobborg</author>
	<datestamp>1247135640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The better one was the Mouseman Marble trackball.  Which they don't make anymore.  And its successor, which I believe is wireless.  And they don't make that one anymore, either.  I think it had 6 buttons, too.  Fully programmable.  Bastards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The better one was the Mouseman Marble trackball .
Which they do n't make anymore .
And its successor , which I believe is wireless .
And they do n't make that one anymore , either .
I think it had 6 buttons , too .
Fully programmable .
Bastards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The better one was the Mouseman Marble trackball.
Which they don't make anymore.
And its successor, which I believe is wireless.
And they don't make that one anymore, either.
I think it had 6 buttons, too.
Fully programmable.
Bastards.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28642445</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_215228.28645767</id>
	<title>Re:Wireless? You've already ruled me out</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1247157360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm less picky. Any optical wired mouse with decent accuracy (and no I don't need gaming accuracy) will do. Since I don't buy my own equipment at work I prefer mice that are standard - 2 buttons and a scroll wheel button. It's nice if they work on the desk so I don't need a mouse pad.</p><p>I spend most of my time programming but at home I have the same requirements for photo editing. I own 2 graphics tablets but they hardly get used. The mouse does very well.</p><p>To me this question is about as useful to ask as "what's the best spoon for stirring coffee"...and I don't drink coffee. It's not as if you have to spend a fortune to get a decent mouse these days. I don't spend more than AUD50 (something like USD30) no a mouse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm less picky .
Any optical wired mouse with decent accuracy ( and no I do n't need gaming accuracy ) will do .
Since I do n't buy my own equipment at work I prefer mice that are standard - 2 buttons and a scroll wheel button .
It 's nice if they work on the desk so I do n't need a mouse pad.I spend most of my time programming but at home I have the same requirements for photo editing .
I own 2 graphics tablets but they hardly get used .
The mouse does very well.To me this question is about as useful to ask as " what 's the best spoon for stirring coffee " ...and I do n't drink coffee .
It 's not as if you have to spend a fortune to get a decent mouse these days .
I do n't spend more than AUD50 ( something like USD30 ) no a mouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm less picky.
Any optical wired mouse with decent accuracy (and no I don't need gaming accuracy) will do.
Since I don't buy my own equipment at work I prefer mice that are standard - 2 buttons and a scroll wheel button.
It's nice if they work on the desk so I don't need a mouse pad.I spend most of my time programming but at home I have the same requirements for photo editing.
I own 2 graphics tablets but they hardly get used.
The mouse does very well.To me this question is about as useful to ask as "what's the best spoon for stirring coffee"...and I don't drink coffee.
It's not as if you have to spend a fortune to get a decent mouse these days.
I don't spend more than AUD50 (something like USD30) no a mouse.</sentencetext>
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