<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_09_1811249</id>
	<title>Comcast DNS Redirection Launched In Trial Markets</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1247164800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Comcast has <a href="http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Comcast-Finally-Launches-DNS-Redirection-103386">finally launched</a> its <a href="http://www.comcastvoices.com/2009/07/domain-helper-service-here-to-help-you.html">DNS Redirector service</a> in trial markets (Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Oregon, Texas, Utah, and Washington state), and has submitted <a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-livingood-dns-redirect-00">a working draft of the technology</a> to the IETF for review. Comcast customers can <a href="https://dns-opt-out.comcast.net/">opt-out from the service</a> by providing their account username and cable modem MAC address.  Customers in trial areas using 'old' Comcast DNS servers, or non-Comcast DNS servers, should not be affected by this. This deployment comes after many previous ISPs, like <a href="http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/73438">DSLExtreme</a>, were forced to pull the plug on such efforts as a result of customer disapproval/retaliation.  Some may remember when <a href="http://www.icann.org/en/topics/wildcard-history.html">VeriSign tried this</a> back in 2003, where it also failed."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Comcast has finally launched its DNS Redirector service in trial markets ( Arizona , Colorado , New Mexico , Oregon , Texas , Utah , and Washington state ) , and has submitted a working draft of the technology to the IETF for review .
Comcast customers can opt-out from the service by providing their account username and cable modem MAC address .
Customers in trial areas using 'old ' Comcast DNS servers , or non-Comcast DNS servers , should not be affected by this .
This deployment comes after many previous ISPs , like DSLExtreme , were forced to pull the plug on such efforts as a result of customer disapproval/retaliation .
Some may remember when VeriSign tried this back in 2003 , where it also failed .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Comcast has finally launched its DNS Redirector service in trial markets (Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Oregon, Texas, Utah, and Washington state), and has submitted a working draft of the technology to the IETF for review.
Comcast customers can opt-out from the service by providing their account username and cable modem MAC address.
Customers in trial areas using 'old' Comcast DNS servers, or non-Comcast DNS servers, should not be affected by this.
This deployment comes after many previous ISPs, like DSLExtreme, were forced to pull the plug on such efforts as a result of customer disapproval/retaliation.
Some may remember when VeriSign tried this back in 2003, where it also failed.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645627</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>SanityInAnarchy</author>
	<datestamp>1247154180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We also know that it's by MAC, which is a step forward from services which try to "opt-out" via cookie.</p><p>But I agree with grcumb -- not even close to enough. This kind of bullshit needs to be <b>opt-in</b>, if it's done at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We also know that it 's by MAC , which is a step forward from services which try to " opt-out " via cookie.But I agree with grcumb -- not even close to enough .
This kind of bullshit needs to be opt-in , if it 's done at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We also know that it's by MAC, which is a step forward from services which try to "opt-out" via cookie.But I agree with grcumb -- not even close to enough.
This kind of bullshit needs to be opt-in, if it's done at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640565</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640803</id>
	<title>Re:Call it what it is</title>
	<author>Zontar\_Thing\_From\_Ve</author>
	<datestamp>1247170860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This reminds me of a little known incident that happened in the mid 1990s.  For a while, AT&amp;T ran a service called 1-800-OPERATOR where you could call this number and get AT&amp;T to connect you to a long distance call.  For those who don't know, we're required (at least in most of the USA if not all of it) to pick a long distance service provider.  That company does not have to be who you get local telephone service from.  It was possible to place long distance calls with someone other than your long distance provider by simply dialing an access number that belonged to that company and you would get billed for the call from that company.  So for example you might have, say, BellSouth as your long distance provider, but you could dial an access number and place calls on Sprint if Sprint offered a better rate.  No need to change providers that way.  So AT&amp;T decided that it would be smart to get in on this too and lower their rates.  So the way it worked was that you called 1-800-OPERATOR and someone at AT&amp;T would connect you to your long distance call and charge you whatever rate AT&amp;T had for the service.  AT&amp;T promoted this service on national television commercials and spent a lot of advertising money on it.  Anyway, I had a friend at the time who worked for MCI in their marketing department.  She told me that MCI had reserved the telephone number that corresponded to 1-800-OPERATER.  MCI spent zero dollars advertising and simply waited for people who couldn't spell to call that number and they placed the call for the person and made the money off it.  She told me "You would not believe how much money we made off this".  Some months after the campaign started, AT&amp;T quietly pulled the plug on it.  I always assumed that too many people couldn't spell "operator" correctly and they were tired of giving business to MCI for nothing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of a little known incident that happened in the mid 1990s .
For a while , AT&amp;T ran a service called 1-800-OPERATOR where you could call this number and get AT&amp;T to connect you to a long distance call .
For those who do n't know , we 're required ( at least in most of the USA if not all of it ) to pick a long distance service provider .
That company does not have to be who you get local telephone service from .
It was possible to place long distance calls with someone other than your long distance provider by simply dialing an access number that belonged to that company and you would get billed for the call from that company .
So for example you might have , say , BellSouth as your long distance provider , but you could dial an access number and place calls on Sprint if Sprint offered a better rate .
No need to change providers that way .
So AT&amp;T decided that it would be smart to get in on this too and lower their rates .
So the way it worked was that you called 1-800-OPERATOR and someone at AT&amp;T would connect you to your long distance call and charge you whatever rate AT&amp;T had for the service .
AT&amp;T promoted this service on national television commercials and spent a lot of advertising money on it .
Anyway , I had a friend at the time who worked for MCI in their marketing department .
She told me that MCI had reserved the telephone number that corresponded to 1-800-OPERATER .
MCI spent zero dollars advertising and simply waited for people who could n't spell to call that number and they placed the call for the person and made the money off it .
She told me " You would not believe how much money we made off this " .
Some months after the campaign started , AT&amp;T quietly pulled the plug on it .
I always assumed that too many people could n't spell " operator " correctly and they were tired of giving business to MCI for nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of a little known incident that happened in the mid 1990s.
For a while, AT&amp;T ran a service called 1-800-OPERATOR where you could call this number and get AT&amp;T to connect you to a long distance call.
For those who don't know, we're required (at least in most of the USA if not all of it) to pick a long distance service provider.
That company does not have to be who you get local telephone service from.
It was possible to place long distance calls with someone other than your long distance provider by simply dialing an access number that belonged to that company and you would get billed for the call from that company.
So for example you might have, say, BellSouth as your long distance provider, but you could dial an access number and place calls on Sprint if Sprint offered a better rate.
No need to change providers that way.
So AT&amp;T decided that it would be smart to get in on this too and lower their rates.
So the way it worked was that you called 1-800-OPERATOR and someone at AT&amp;T would connect you to your long distance call and charge you whatever rate AT&amp;T had for the service.
AT&amp;T promoted this service on national television commercials and spent a lot of advertising money on it.
Anyway, I had a friend at the time who worked for MCI in their marketing department.
She told me that MCI had reserved the telephone number that corresponded to 1-800-OPERATER.
MCI spent zero dollars advertising and simply waited for people who couldn't spell to call that number and they placed the call for the person and made the money off it.
She told me "You would not believe how much money we made off this".
Some months after the campaign started, AT&amp;T quietly pulled the plug on it.
I always assumed that too many people couldn't spell "operator" correctly and they were tired of giving business to MCI for nothing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641413</id>
	<title>Re:Lots have failed, but some have succeeded</title>
	<author>edalytical</author>
	<datestamp>1247130120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Qwest does it. They allow a opt-out, but still most people don't know that it's happening, let alone why it  is bad/wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Qwest does it .
They allow a opt-out , but still most people do n't know that it 's happening , let alone why it is bad/wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Qwest does it.
They allow a opt-out, but still most people don't know that it's happening, let alone why it  is bad/wrong.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640535</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641155</id>
	<title>Whatever.</title>
	<author>octaene</author>
	<datestamp>1247172240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Whatever.  <a href="http://www.opendns.com/" title="opendns.com" rel="nofollow">OpenDNS</a> [opendns.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whatever .
OpenDNS [ opendns.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whatever.
OpenDNS [opendns.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640539</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Providing a nice GUI on a DNS lookup fail is the job of the web browser not the DNS server.  DNS is infrastructure not user interface.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Providing a nice GUI on a DNS lookup fail is the job of the web browser not the DNS server .
DNS is infrastructure not user interface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Providing a nice GUI on a DNS lookup fail is the job of the web browser not the DNS server.
DNS is infrastructure not user interface.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642157</id>
	<title>Re:Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247133540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am using a Cox connection right now, with the Cox DNS servers (dhcp gives me 68.105.28.12, 68.105.29.12, 68.105.28.11), and randomstringofletters.com fails to resolve.</p><p>I'm connecting through Washington, DC, if that matters.</p><p>Perhaps you are hitting specific camped typo-domains?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am using a Cox connection right now , with the Cox DNS servers ( dhcp gives me 68.105.28.12 , 68.105.29.12 , 68.105.28.11 ) , and randomstringofletters.com fails to resolve.I 'm connecting through Washington , DC , if that matters.Perhaps you are hitting specific camped typo-domains ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am using a Cox connection right now, with the Cox DNS servers (dhcp gives me 68.105.28.12, 68.105.29.12, 68.105.28.11), and randomstringofletters.com fails to resolve.I'm connecting through Washington, DC, if that matters.Perhaps you are hitting specific camped typo-domains?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640447</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640813</id>
	<title>Headline is wrong</title>
	<author>Thaelon</author>
	<datestamp>1247170920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The headline should read:</p><p>"Comcast Colludes With Yahoo! to Redirect Miss-typed URL Traffic for their own Profit"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The headline should read : " Comcast Colludes With Yahoo !
to Redirect Miss-typed URL Traffic for their own Profit "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The headline should read:"Comcast Colludes With Yahoo!
to Redirect Miss-typed URL Traffic for their own Profit"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640799</id>
	<title>I tried to circumvent this with OpenDNS...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247170860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But then I noticed that OpenDNS <em>also</em> does DNS redirection!<br>The scary thing was, that of course this even works when I mistype Intranet addresses. (Should have been obvious to me, but I did not think about having switched to OpenDNS when this happened, and got very scared about the possibility of a MITM attack.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But then I noticed that OpenDNS also does DNS redirection ! The scary thing was , that of course this even works when I mistype Intranet addresses .
( Should have been obvious to me , but I did not think about having switched to OpenDNS when this happened , and got very scared about the possibility of a MITM attack .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But then I noticed that OpenDNS also does DNS redirection!The scary thing was, that of course this even works when I mistype Intranet addresses.
(Should have been obvious to me, but I did not think about having switched to OpenDNS when this happened, and got very scared about the possibility of a MITM attack.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640549</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>OpenDNS does the exact same thing.</b> To avoid DNS highjacking if you use OpenDNS, you have to have an account with them, change your preferences and always be identifiable to OpenDNS so that it can apply your preferences. It's easier to opt out at Comcast than to opt out at OpenDNS. Besides, OpenDNS also redirects www.google.com to OpenDNS servers, not just nonexistent domains.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenDNS does the exact same thing .
To avoid DNS highjacking if you use OpenDNS , you have to have an account with them , change your preferences and always be identifiable to OpenDNS so that it can apply your preferences .
It 's easier to opt out at Comcast than to opt out at OpenDNS .
Besides , OpenDNS also redirects www.google.com to OpenDNS servers , not just nonexistent domains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenDNS does the exact same thing.
To avoid DNS highjacking if you use OpenDNS, you have to have an account with them, change your preferences and always be identifiable to OpenDNS so that it can apply your preferences.
It's easier to opt out at Comcast than to opt out at OpenDNS.
Besides, OpenDNS also redirects www.google.com to OpenDNS servers, not just nonexistent domains.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640251</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640305</id>
	<title>Opt Out page is Slashdotted</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1247169000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or is it Comcasted?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or is it Comcasted ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or is it Comcasted?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28647583</id>
	<title>Relegate your ISP to dumb carrier status</title>
	<author>gpuk</author>
	<datestamp>1247226180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AFAIK, my ISP (France Telecom) have no plans to implement DNS redirection but they already quite happily throttle and profile my traffic and I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to go the DNS redirection route sometime in the future.</p><p>So last month I took the decision to simply stop trusting my ISP. I now rent a virtual linux box for &pound;15/month (I used bytemark but there are many others) and have installed OpenVPN on it. The virtual box acts as my network's gateway through which all non-LAN traffic now flows. My ISP has been relegated to essentially a dumb carrier whose only function is to provide a DSL link that allows me to create an encrypted tunnel to the linux box. Stick djb's dnscache (or any other resolver) on as well and you're done.</p><p>Added bonus? I can now watch all the BBC iplayer content (I am a UK national recently moved to France and have paid my TV license in the past so I figure, why not?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AFAIK , my ISP ( France Telecom ) have no plans to implement DNS redirection but they already quite happily throttle and profile my traffic and I would n't be surprised if they decided to go the DNS redirection route sometime in the future.So last month I took the decision to simply stop trusting my ISP .
I now rent a virtual linux box for   15/month ( I used bytemark but there are many others ) and have installed OpenVPN on it .
The virtual box acts as my network 's gateway through which all non-LAN traffic now flows .
My ISP has been relegated to essentially a dumb carrier whose only function is to provide a DSL link that allows me to create an encrypted tunnel to the linux box .
Stick djb 's dnscache ( or any other resolver ) on as well and you 're done.Added bonus ?
I can now watch all the BBC iplayer content ( I am a UK national recently moved to France and have paid my TV license in the past so I figure , why not ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AFAIK, my ISP (France Telecom) have no plans to implement DNS redirection but they already quite happily throttle and profile my traffic and I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to go the DNS redirection route sometime in the future.So last month I took the decision to simply stop trusting my ISP.
I now rent a virtual linux box for £15/month (I used bytemark but there are many others) and have installed OpenVPN on it.
The virtual box acts as my network's gateway through which all non-LAN traffic now flows.
My ISP has been relegated to essentially a dumb carrier whose only function is to provide a DSL link that allows me to create an encrypted tunnel to the linux box.
Stick djb's dnscache (or any other resolver) on as well and you're done.Added bonus?
I can now watch all the BBC iplayer content (I am a UK national recently moved to France and have paid my TV license in the past so I figure, why not?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640193</id>
	<title>Who's providing a backdoor DNS service?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247168580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like time to pick some semi-standard alternate port number and start setting up some alternate recursive DNS servers, something between alt.* and TOR.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like time to pick some semi-standard alternate port number and start setting up some alternate recursive DNS servers , something between alt .
* and TOR .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like time to pick some semi-standard alternate port number and start setting up some alternate recursive DNS servers, something between alt.
* and TOR.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640683</id>
	<title>Bad assumption being made</title>
	<author>FranTaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1247170380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is all done under the assumption that the DNS query is for an HTTP request.</p><p>What happens when other services run afoul of this setup?</p><p>For example: Is my POP client going to hand my login credentials to a Comcast server, if my email service's DNS does not resolve for some reason?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is all done under the assumption that the DNS query is for an HTTP request.What happens when other services run afoul of this setup ? For example : Is my POP client going to hand my login credentials to a Comcast server , if my email service 's DNS does not resolve for some reason ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is all done under the assumption that the DNS query is for an HTTP request.What happens when other services run afoul of this setup?For example: Is my POP client going to hand my login credentials to a Comcast server, if my email service's DNS does not resolve for some reason?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640893</id>
	<title>Mark that user...</title>
	<author>donut1005</author>
	<datestamp>1247171340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So if I call in to opt out, does that put me on their traffic watch list?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So if I call in to opt out , does that put me on their traffic watch list ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if I call in to opt out, does that put me on their traffic watch list?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641709</id>
	<title>They don't control it</title>
	<author>Cajun Hell</author>
	<datestamp>1247131500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why exactly does the ISP control DNS?</p></div></blockquote><p>
They don't.  But most ISPs <em>offer</em> it as a service, and most DHCP clients automatically accept the offer.  If you're not a computer dork, it <em>appears</em> that they're in control, whereas in practice, you actually <em>did</em> opt in.
</p><p>
The reason they offer this service (whether it's done well, according to the specs, or done brokenly, as Comcast is doing here), is that it's more efficient.
</p><p>
When they do it correctly, you come out ahead by letting your ISP do this for you (instead of running Bind yourself).  Translating a name into an address requires multiple queries to multiple authorities.  Because your ISP's links are faster than yours, they can look stuff up faster. And if more than one user is sharing the service, then some of the queries can be skipped and served by a prior user's cached results instead.
</p><p>
It's actually a good thing<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. <em>technically.</em> The catch is that you're trusting them with something, and some of them are starting to act untrustworthy.
</p><p>
It's just like caching web proxies, NNTP servers, etc.  Great tech, <em>if</em> you're doing business with someone who feels they have a reputation to lose.  Not so great if you're doing business with an entity that people choose by default (or have chosen for them by their local government), e.g. "I'll just get internet through the local cable TV company."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why exactly does the ISP control DNS ?
They do n't .
But most ISPs offer it as a service , and most DHCP clients automatically accept the offer .
If you 're not a computer dork , it appears that they 're in control , whereas in practice , you actually did opt in .
The reason they offer this service ( whether it 's done well , according to the specs , or done brokenly , as Comcast is doing here ) , is that it 's more efficient .
When they do it correctly , you come out ahead by letting your ISP do this for you ( instead of running Bind yourself ) .
Translating a name into an address requires multiple queries to multiple authorities .
Because your ISP 's links are faster than yours , they can look stuff up faster .
And if more than one user is sharing the service , then some of the queries can be skipped and served by a prior user 's cached results instead .
It 's actually a good thing .. technically. The catch is that you 're trusting them with something , and some of them are starting to act untrustworthy .
It 's just like caching web proxies , NNTP servers , etc .
Great tech , if you 're doing business with someone who feels they have a reputation to lose .
Not so great if you 're doing business with an entity that people choose by default ( or have chosen for them by their local government ) , e.g .
" I 'll just get internet through the local cable TV company .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why exactly does the ISP control DNS?
They don't.
But most ISPs offer it as a service, and most DHCP clients automatically accept the offer.
If you're not a computer dork, it appears that they're in control, whereas in practice, you actually did opt in.
The reason they offer this service (whether it's done well, according to the specs, or done brokenly, as Comcast is doing here), is that it's more efficient.
When they do it correctly, you come out ahead by letting your ISP do this for you (instead of running Bind yourself).
Translating a name into an address requires multiple queries to multiple authorities.
Because your ISP's links are faster than yours, they can look stuff up faster.
And if more than one user is sharing the service, then some of the queries can be skipped and served by a prior user's cached results instead.
It's actually a good thing .. technically. The catch is that you're trusting them with something, and some of them are starting to act untrustworthy.
It's just like caching web proxies, NNTP servers, etc.
Great tech, if you're doing business with someone who feels they have a reputation to lose.
Not so great if you're doing business with an entity that people choose by default (or have chosen for them by their local government), e.g.
"I'll just get internet through the local cable TV company.
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640641</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640639</id>
	<title>Road Runner did it too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247170260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For a long time, I was having the crap annoyed out of me by it. It didn't even offer suggestions, really, just ads. It broke some of my scripts, too, since it caused a 200 response instead of returning a resolution error like it was supposed to. Fortunately, there was an opt-out link, but it was hard to find. I did opt out though, and now I'm not sure if they're still doing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a long time , I was having the crap annoyed out of me by it .
It did n't even offer suggestions , really , just ads .
It broke some of my scripts , too , since it caused a 200 response instead of returning a resolution error like it was supposed to .
Fortunately , there was an opt-out link , but it was hard to find .
I did opt out though , and now I 'm not sure if they 're still doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a long time, I was having the crap annoyed out of me by it.
It didn't even offer suggestions, really, just ads.
It broke some of my scripts, too, since it caused a 200 response instead of returning a resolution error like it was supposed to.
Fortunately, there was an opt-out link, but it was hard to find.
I did opt out though, and now I'm not sure if they're still doing it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641017</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling. -- Actually yes</title>
	<author>jackb\_guppy</author>
	<datestamp>1247171760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This screws with "what is valid URL".  Basically, now all URL are valid.  So for example you want "coke.com" anyway you mistype that request: cole.com, Coce.com, koke.com, cooke.com and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  will be a valid URL, even if it does not exist.</p><p>Another way of looking at this is cybersquatting.  They are taking the whole URL domain.  So if you have a new URL, guess where it will not show up for a long while.</p><p>And third you can think of it as "DNS poisoning", since if you are running your own DNS, comcast will be suppling you fake information, with its own time out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This screws with " what is valid URL " .
Basically , now all URL are valid .
So for example you want " coke.com " anyway you mistype that request : cole.com , Coce.com , koke.com , cooke.com and ... will be a valid URL , even if it does not exist.Another way of looking at this is cybersquatting .
They are taking the whole URL domain .
So if you have a new URL , guess where it will not show up for a long while.And third you can think of it as " DNS poisoning " , since if you are running your own DNS , comcast will be suppling you fake information , with its own time out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This screws with "what is valid URL".
Basically, now all URL are valid.
So for example you want "coke.com" anyway you mistype that request: cole.com, Coce.com, koke.com, cooke.com and ...  will be a valid URL, even if it does not exist.Another way of looking at this is cybersquatting.
They are taking the whole URL domain.
So if you have a new URL, guess where it will not show up for a long while.And third you can think of it as "DNS poisoning", since if you are running your own DNS, comcast will be suppling you fake information, with its own time out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28643951</id>
	<title>built to fail?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247141220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>has anyone considered that this is supposed to fail?<br>Theses days failure is the new success. This will undoubtedly result in huge id theft scams, there will be a fake outrage about how the internet needs to be more secure and they will get a few billion from the federal government to design a 'secure' network, that is, one without any anonymity, and that builds a nice fat file on each of us everywhere we use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>has anyone considered that this is supposed to fail ? Theses days failure is the new success .
This will undoubtedly result in huge id theft scams , there will be a fake outrage about how the internet needs to be more secure and they will get a few billion from the federal government to design a 'secure ' network , that is , one without any anonymity , and that builds a nice fat file on each of us everywhere we use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>has anyone considered that this is supposed to fail?Theses days failure is the new success.
This will undoubtedly result in huge id theft scams, there will be a fake outrage about how the internet needs to be more secure and they will get a few billion from the federal government to design a 'secure' network, that is, one without any anonymity, and that builds a nice fat file on each of us everywhere we use it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640715</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1247170560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>No.</b></p><p>Knock this shit off and mods, wise the fuck up.  Just because it has "open" in the name doesn't make it suddenly good and benevolent, <i>They do the exact same fucking thing.</i></p><p>Anyone who's been on slashdot for more than a week or two probably has seen dozens of comments suggesting OpenDNS in cases like this, always modded up.  Every single time people post corrections pointing out that they do the same thing.  Does anyone ever listen?</p><p><b>Wise the fuck up</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No.Knock this shit off and mods , wise the fuck up .
Just because it has " open " in the name does n't make it suddenly good and benevolent , They do the exact same fucking thing.Anyone who 's been on slashdot for more than a week or two probably has seen dozens of comments suggesting OpenDNS in cases like this , always modded up .
Every single time people post corrections pointing out that they do the same thing .
Does anyone ever listen ? Wise the fuck up</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.Knock this shit off and mods, wise the fuck up.
Just because it has "open" in the name doesn't make it suddenly good and benevolent, They do the exact same fucking thing.Anyone who's been on slashdot for more than a week or two probably has seen dozens of comments suggesting OpenDNS in cases like this, always modded up.
Every single time people post corrections pointing out that they do the same thing.
Does anyone ever listen?Wise the fuck up</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640251</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640659</id>
	<title>Maybe..........</title>
	<author>drummerboybac</author>
	<datestamp>1247170320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They can redirect me to a better cable company where I can get more HD channels, and where I don't have to go through (literally) 8 DVR's to get one that doesn't die.<br> <br>

Seriously, I went through a period where my DVR would crash and go into a reboot loop every 3 weeks and someone would have to come and replace it.  that went on for almost 3 months<br> <br>

*sigh*<br> <br>

Sadly I'm stuck since I am surrounded by 5 story trees (no dish) and fios will not offer anything on my street ( technically a private road)</htmltext>
<tokenext>They can redirect me to a better cable company where I can get more HD channels , and where I do n't have to go through ( literally ) 8 DVR 's to get one that does n't die .
Seriously , I went through a period where my DVR would crash and go into a reboot loop every 3 weeks and someone would have to come and replace it .
that went on for almost 3 months * sigh * Sadly I 'm stuck since I am surrounded by 5 story trees ( no dish ) and fios will not offer anything on my street ( technically a private road )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can redirect me to a better cable company where I can get more HD channels, and where I don't have to go through (literally) 8 DVR's to get one that doesn't die.
Seriously, I went through a period where my DVR would crash and go into a reboot loop every 3 weeks and someone would have to come and replace it.
that went on for almost 3 months 

*sigh* 

Sadly I'm stuck since I am surrounded by 5 story trees (no dish) and fios will not offer anything on my street ( technically a private road)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642267</id>
	<title>Re:Keep trying till you succeed</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1247134080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember: only quitters quit. Winners never quit. And not winning would just be anti-American. So in fact, all these companies are just trying to  be as american as apple pie!</p><p>Or something. Maybe I'm just getting too cynical for this stuff. But for some reason, I can't fathom that the original Internet (intelligence at the nodes, dumb pipes in between) will survive all the concerted attempts at reducing it to the equivalent of TV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember : only quitters quit .
Winners never quit .
And not winning would just be anti-American .
So in fact , all these companies are just trying to be as american as apple pie ! Or something .
Maybe I 'm just getting too cynical for this stuff .
But for some reason , I ca n't fathom that the original Internet ( intelligence at the nodes , dumb pipes in between ) will survive all the concerted attempts at reducing it to the equivalent of TV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember: only quitters quit.
Winners never quit.
And not winning would just be anti-American.
So in fact, all these companies are just trying to  be as american as apple pie!Or something.
Maybe I'm just getting too cynical for this stuff.
But for some reason, I can't fathom that the original Internet (intelligence at the nodes, dumb pipes in between) will survive all the concerted attempts at reducing it to the equivalent of TV.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640521</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641715</id>
	<title>Re:I'm not sure what the big deal is</title>
	<author>Todd Knarr</author>
	<datestamp>1247131560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And what happens to SSH, VPNs, e-mail and anything that's <i>not</i> a Web server when Comcast sends them to Comcast's hosts instead of reporting NXDOMAIN? Simply put, the majority of the Internet relies on being told a host doesn't exist when that host doesn't exist. Comcast is breaking this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And what happens to SSH , VPNs , e-mail and anything that 's not a Web server when Comcast sends them to Comcast 's hosts instead of reporting NXDOMAIN ?
Simply put , the majority of the Internet relies on being told a host does n't exist when that host does n't exist .
Comcast is breaking this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what happens to SSH, VPNs, e-mail and anything that's not a Web server when Comcast sends them to Comcast's hosts instead of reporting NXDOMAIN?
Simply put, the majority of the Internet relies on being told a host doesn't exist when that host doesn't exist.
Comcast is breaking this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641205</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640373</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>xvx</author>
	<datestamp>1247169240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Comcast is great.  So I pay them for an internet connection, the price won't go down, and they get extra advertising revenue from there users.  How long will it be until they start injecting ads into websites?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Comcast is great .
So I pay them for an internet connection , the price wo n't go down , and they get extra advertising revenue from there users .
How long will it be until they start injecting ads into websites ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Comcast is great.
So I pay them for an internet connection, the price won't go down, and they get extra advertising revenue from there users.
How long will it be until they start injecting ads into websites?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28643517</id>
	<title>Verizon also</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247139120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Verizon hijacks DNS as well, giving Yahoo search results. Example: <a href="http://dnsassist.verizon.net/verizonassist/dnsassist/main/?domain=rfc-violaters" title="verizon.net" rel="nofollow">http://dnsassist.verizon.net/verizonassist/dnsassist/main/?domain=rfc-violaters</a> [verizon.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon hijacks DNS as well , giving Yahoo search results .
Example : http : //dnsassist.verizon.net/verizonassist/dnsassist/main/ ? domain = rfc-violaters [ verizon.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon hijacks DNS as well, giving Yahoo search results.
Example: http://dnsassist.verizon.net/verizonassist/dnsassist/main/?domain=rfc-violaters [verizon.net]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640447</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644899</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>ls671</author>
	<datestamp>1247147760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Those that have the technical knowledge can also set up their own dns<br>&gt; recursive dns servers on their linux box</p><p>Yep, I totally vouch for this as one of the best solution !<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Those that have the technical knowledge can also set up their own dns &gt; recursive dns servers on their linux boxYep , I totally vouch for this as one of the best solution !
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Those that have the technical knowledge can also set up their own dns&gt; recursive dns servers on their linux boxYep, I totally vouch for this as one of the best solution !
;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640967</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640383</id>
	<title>No</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenDNS does the crap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenDNS does the crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenDNS does the crap.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640251</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640463</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>xvx</author>
	<datestamp>1247169540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>True, for anyone tech savvy they would know better.  But what about people that don't know better and that extra ad revenue. Will that be passed back to the customer? Absolutely not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>True , for anyone tech savvy they would know better .
But what about people that do n't know better and that extra ad revenue .
Will that be passed back to the customer ?
Absolutely not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, for anyone tech savvy they would know better.
But what about people that don't know better and that extra ad revenue.
Will that be passed back to the customer?
Absolutely not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640723</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>seizurebattlerobot</author>
	<datestamp>1247170560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do these OpenDNS posts keep getting modded up?  OpenDNS utilizes the very practices this article bemoans!  If you query a domain that does not exist, your browser is redirected to OpenDNS's ad-laden spam site.</p><p>Despite their claims to the contrary, OpenDNS's servers are likely farther away from you than your local ISP's.  They also keep permanent logs of all queries, which could be subpoenaed by a government entity.  Their joke of a privacy policy allows them to sell your logs to "Affiliated Businesses", which pretty much means anybody.  Not that it really matters - they could amend their privacy policy tomorrow morning and be selling your info by the afternoon.</p><p>I think many people read the "Open" part of the OpenDNS name and turn their brains off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do these OpenDNS posts keep getting modded up ?
OpenDNS utilizes the very practices this article bemoans !
If you query a domain that does not exist , your browser is redirected to OpenDNS 's ad-laden spam site.Despite their claims to the contrary , OpenDNS 's servers are likely farther away from you than your local ISP 's .
They also keep permanent logs of all queries , which could be subpoenaed by a government entity .
Their joke of a privacy policy allows them to sell your logs to " Affiliated Businesses " , which pretty much means anybody .
Not that it really matters - they could amend their privacy policy tomorrow morning and be selling your info by the afternoon.I think many people read the " Open " part of the OpenDNS name and turn their brains off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do these OpenDNS posts keep getting modded up?
OpenDNS utilizes the very practices this article bemoans!
If you query a domain that does not exist, your browser is redirected to OpenDNS's ad-laden spam site.Despite their claims to the contrary, OpenDNS's servers are likely farther away from you than your local ISP's.
They also keep permanent logs of all queries, which could be subpoenaed by a government entity.
Their joke of a privacy policy allows them to sell your logs to "Affiliated Businesses", which pretty much means anybody.
Not that it really matters - they could amend their privacy policy tomorrow morning and be selling your info by the afternoon.I think many people read the "Open" part of the OpenDNS name and turn their brains off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640251</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641407</id>
	<title>Re:Lots have failed, but some have succeeded</title>
	<author>Lothsahn</author>
	<datestamp>1247130120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Charter does this in my area (Michigan).  I've been instructed by their tech support department to reference Level3's DNS servers. 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2, I think it is...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Charter does this in my area ( Michigan ) .
I 've been instructed by their tech support department to reference Level3 's DNS servers .
4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 , I think it is.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Charter does this in my area (Michigan).
I've been instructed by their tech support department to reference Level3's DNS servers.
4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2, I think it is...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640535</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28665911</id>
	<title>Re:Bad assumption being made</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247430720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is all done under the assumption that the DNS query is for an HTTP request.</p><p>What happens when other services run afoul of this setup?</p></div><p>The best practises document covers this (section 5.1.3) but I suspect it will get ignored most of the time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is all done under the assumption that the DNS query is for an HTTP request.What happens when other services run afoul of this setup ? The best practises document covers this ( section 5.1.3 ) but I suspect it will get ignored most of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is all done under the assumption that the DNS query is for an HTTP request.What happens when other services run afoul of this setup?The best practises document covers this (section 5.1.3) but I suspect it will get ignored most of the time.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640683</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640487</id>
	<title>Roll your own, it's easy.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of migrating from one punk who pulls this stunt to the next, quit using someone else's recursive resolver and run your own: <a href="http://www.unbound.net/" title="unbound.net" rel="nofollow">Unbound - a validating, recursive, and caching DNS resolver.</a> [unbound.net] Available for Unix and Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of migrating from one punk who pulls this stunt to the next , quit using someone else 's recursive resolver and run your own : Unbound - a validating , recursive , and caching DNS resolver .
[ unbound.net ] Available for Unix and Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of migrating from one punk who pulls this stunt to the next, quit using someone else's recursive resolver and run your own: Unbound - a validating, recursive, and caching DNS resolver.
[unbound.net] Available for Unix and Windows.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640193</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28646211</id>
	<title>Re:Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>Omestes</author>
	<datestamp>1247164080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using Cox cable in Phoenix, Az and I haven't noticed this.  I get the general "server not found" page when I hit a type that hasn't been squatted, or go to "www.whateveriswas.com", as per your example.</p><p>This might only be true here, though.  It seems we're generally the last to get "improvements".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using Cox cable in Phoenix , Az and I have n't noticed this .
I get the general " server not found " page when I hit a type that has n't been squatted , or go to " www.whateveriswas.com " , as per your example.This might only be true here , though .
It seems we 're generally the last to get " improvements " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using Cox cable in Phoenix, Az and I haven't noticed this.
I get the general "server not found" page when I hit a type that hasn't been squatted, or go to "www.whateveriswas.com", as per your example.This might only be true here, though.
It seems we're generally the last to get "improvements".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640447</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644545</id>
	<title>Re:Best DNS alternative w/o redirection?</title>
	<author>SL Baur</author>
	<datestamp>1247144700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I use Level3's anycast dns resolvers. They are fast and work great.</p></div><p>Hmmm.  Those appear to be IP numbers I get via DHCP.</p><p>They are not trouble-free.  I frequently see issues resolving certain top-level domains.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.jp is flaky as is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.info.</p><p>At least they don't redirect.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Level3 's anycast dns resolvers .
They are fast and work great.Hmmm .
Those appear to be IP numbers I get via DHCP.They are not trouble-free .
I frequently see issues resolving certain top-level domains .
.jp is flaky as is .info.At least they do n't redirect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Level3's anycast dns resolvers.
They are fast and work great.Hmmm.
Those appear to be IP numbers I get via DHCP.They are not trouble-free.
I frequently see issues resolving certain top-level domains.
.jp is flaky as is .info.At least they don't redirect.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640573</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>doshell</author>
	<datestamp>1247169960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It doesnt redirect you to another 3rd party site owned by the NSA, it simply provides a web GUI that suggest sites on what the system thought you wanted to see.</p></div></blockquote><p>It doesn't redirect you to a third-party site owned by the NSA; it redirects you to a third-party site, full stop. This not only breaks a whole host of applications relying on DNS to inform them that a domain name doesn't exist, but it is in violation of the standards that hold the Internet together.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It doesnt redirect you to another 3rd party site owned by the NSA , it simply provides a web GUI that suggest sites on what the system thought you wanted to see.It does n't redirect you to a third-party site owned by the NSA ; it redirects you to a third-party site , full stop .
This not only breaks a whole host of applications relying on DNS to inform them that a domain name does n't exist , but it is in violation of the standards that hold the Internet together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesnt redirect you to another 3rd party site owned by the NSA, it simply provides a web GUI that suggest sites on what the system thought you wanted to see.It doesn't redirect you to a third-party site owned by the NSA; it redirects you to a third-party site, full stop.
This not only breaks a whole host of applications relying on DNS to inform them that a domain name doesn't exist, but it is in violation of the standards that hold the Internet together.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28649489</id>
	<title>Work Completed: Comcast Domain Helper Opt-Out Succ</title>
	<author>Rick Richardson</author>
	<datestamp>1247239560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have completed the work to opt you out of the Comcast Domain Helper service.</p><p>This change will take effect automatically when your cable modem renews its DHCP lease (generally within 5 days or less). However, you can easily make this take effect immediately via one of the following two methods:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1. If your computer is directly connected to your cable modem, you will need to reboot your computer.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2. If you have a router directly connected to your cable modem, you will need to (a) reboot your router and then (b) reboot your computer.</p><p>Thank you,<br>Comcast</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have completed the work to opt you out of the Comcast Domain Helper service.This change will take effect automatically when your cable modem renews its DHCP lease ( generally within 5 days or less ) .
However , you can easily make this take effect immediately via one of the following two methods :       1 .
If your computer is directly connected to your cable modem , you will need to reboot your computer .
      2 .
If you have a router directly connected to your cable modem , you will need to ( a ) reboot your router and then ( b ) reboot your computer.Thank you,Comcast</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have completed the work to opt you out of the Comcast Domain Helper service.This change will take effect automatically when your cable modem renews its DHCP lease (generally within 5 days or less).
However, you can easily make this take effect immediately via one of the following two methods:
      1.
If your computer is directly connected to your cable modem, you will need to reboot your computer.
      2.
If you have a router directly connected to your cable modem, you will need to (a) reboot your router and then (b) reboot your computer.Thank you,Comcast</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28643947</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Niten</author>
	<datestamp>1247141220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Despite their claims to the contrary, OpenDNS's servers are likely farther away from you than your local ISP's.</p></div><p>Absolutely right.  Out of curiosity, I recently tested DNS performance as experienced from my home network, using <a href="https://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm" title="grc.com">Steve Gibson's excellent DNS benchmark tool</a> [grc.com].  The test was between:</p><ul>
<li>My LAN's OpenBSD gateway &amp; DNS server (10.19.0.1)</li><li>My ISP's (BellSouth's) DNS servers (205.152.*)</li><li>OpenDNS (208.67.*)</li><li>Level 3's anycast servers (4.2.2.*)</li></ul><p> <a href="http://markshroyer.com/files/dns-cached.png" title="markshroyer.com">OpenDNS was the clear loser in this test.</a> [markshroyer.com]  (Sorry for the lack of numeric labels on this screenshot, but the graph is to scale.)  Querying the local DNS server was of course faster than anything that had to go across the DSL modem, but OpenDNS was also significantly slower than the other remote servers tested.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Despite their claims to the contrary , OpenDNS 's servers are likely farther away from you than your local ISP 's.Absolutely right .
Out of curiosity , I recently tested DNS performance as experienced from my home network , using Steve Gibson 's excellent DNS benchmark tool [ grc.com ] .
The test was between : My LAN 's OpenBSD gateway &amp; DNS server ( 10.19.0.1 ) My ISP 's ( BellSouth 's ) DNS servers ( 205.152 .
* ) OpenDNS ( 208.67 .
* ) Level 3 's anycast servers ( 4.2.2 .
* ) OpenDNS was the clear loser in this test .
[ markshroyer.com ] ( Sorry for the lack of numeric labels on this screenshot , but the graph is to scale .
) Querying the local DNS server was of course faster than anything that had to go across the DSL modem , but OpenDNS was also significantly slower than the other remote servers tested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite their claims to the contrary, OpenDNS's servers are likely farther away from you than your local ISP's.Absolutely right.
Out of curiosity, I recently tested DNS performance as experienced from my home network, using Steve Gibson's excellent DNS benchmark tool [grc.com].
The test was between:
My LAN's OpenBSD gateway &amp; DNS server (10.19.0.1)My ISP's (BellSouth's) DNS servers (205.152.
*)OpenDNS (208.67.
*)Level 3's anycast servers (4.2.2.
*) OpenDNS was the clear loser in this test.
[markshroyer.com]  (Sorry for the lack of numeric labels on this screenshot, but the graph is to scale.
)  Querying the local DNS server was of course faster than anything that had to go across the DSL modem, but OpenDNS was also significantly slower than the other remote servers tested.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640413</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>Maximum Prophet</author>
	<datestamp>1247169360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, it will only show those pages that have <b>paid</b> to be listed as what you want to see.  (at least after an initial trial run)
<br> <br>
This could easily be done in the browser in a non-evil way.  When you type in a name and get a non-response, similar names typed after would be recorded.  Then, when you make the same spelling error, gooogle.com, it takes you to where <b>you</b> want to go.  Since it's in the browser, people could edit and share their commonly misspelled domain names.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it will only show those pages that have paid to be listed as what you want to see .
( at least after an initial trial run ) This could easily be done in the browser in a non-evil way .
When you type in a name and get a non-response , similar names typed after would be recorded .
Then , when you make the same spelling error , gooogle.com , it takes you to where you want to go .
Since it 's in the browser , people could edit and share their commonly misspelled domain names .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it will only show those pages that have paid to be listed as what you want to see.
(at least after an initial trial run)
 
This could easily be done in the browser in a non-evil way.
When you type in a name and get a non-response, similar names typed after would be recorded.
Then, when you make the same spelling error, gooogle.com, it takes you to where you want to go.
Since it's in the browser, people could edit and share their commonly misspelled domain names.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645187</id>
	<title>Could be, could be... but!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247150340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><div class="quote"><p><b>"Also, this discredits Comcast's massive twitter efforts as ComcastBonnie so kindly made a slashdot account after seeing the twitter output from the article, and told us that the engineers promised no form of DNS hijacking was underway. Underway or not, it was certainly being planned, and coverups should not be appreciated."</b> - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09, @03:46PM (#28641183)</p></div><p>From having worked @ a major cable internet provider for a GOOD BIT a few years back, I can tell you they have their "own special team" for responding to reports like this one, where said companies are mentioned &amp; especially on the "more travelled/trafficked websites" such as this one... so, don't be TOO surprised @ some of the responses here is all, &amp; the FIRST THING I THOUGHT WAS:</p><p>"I wonder how many of these people are 'marketing plants' or their network engineer henchmen?"</p><p>&amp; also</p><p>"How many of these repsonses are those losing monies from adbanner revenues??"</p><p>SO, I.E.-&gt; Yes, you are hinting @ this it seems, so yes, they may be "plants" (i.e.-&gt; marketing people for them, or, their own top engineers brought in to put out enough "techno-babble" (whether it is, or not) to alleviate any damage this might cause them, "p.r."-wise...) OR, those adversely affected by losing revenues gained by adbanner views or search results... etc. et al.</p><p>I don't see adbanners here (HOSTS files are wonderful for this, blocking them, &amp; also speeding up your surfing in doing that OR hardcoding your favorites into it, with their URL-to-IP Address resolved correctly in them (which is great &amp; helps speed too, that is, until a site changes HOSTING PROVIDERS, but, that's rare &amp; most let you know this is taking place so you can counter for it in a HOSTS file))</p><p>Now - I am probably "preaching to the choir" here on that note to you though, so, if I am? Please, accept my apologies - we all live life &amp; all that, &amp; pickup on the b.s. out there going on!</p><p>(&amp; from said ISP/BSP I worked for? Well, the other staff/workers are told, during training, to stay out of stories on places such as, say, dslreports.com, if it involves said cable or dsl internet provider)</p><p>Yes, it seemed pretty "dirty" to do, imo @ least, but it is, how it is. Like any business? They live &amp; die largely by their reputation, as well as the quality of service they provide. I thought it was silly to give an order of that nature, because people should be free to speak their minds anyplace they choose, without threat of penalty from "the big boss", &amp; it is "gotten around", easily enough, should an IT tech worker there wish to do so, even when they get free cable or dsl from their company (which most do this for their staff), but... this is "KoRpOrAtE AmErIkA" today, so we can expect such measures.</p><p>Sure, they could say "well you don't KNOW enough to respond there" &amp; that only says they feel they hire incompetent staff, which doesn't look good doing THAT... or, that they may take the HONEST tack &amp; say, "We send our very best technical personnel to offset the trolling happening to us" etc. et al (which would be a better way to respond, as to WHY they do these things, imo @ least).</p><p>Don't get me wrong:</p><p>The company I refer to here, which I won't name? Hey, they are, imo @ least, a great company though... so, other than that which I mention above, which I really didn't take THAT seriously or get angry over anyways because I really did think it was a top-notch outfit/operation which did provide their customers the fastest internet possible for cablemodem internet usage when I worked for they &amp; they had 2 million customers &amp; a TINY geographic area (but, it was a HUGE major metropolitan area they had, a major city (the most major of all iirc, population wise, in the USA or close to it in fact!)</p><p>----</p><div class="quote"><p><b>"it wouldn't be the first time we trolled a legitimate story because its legitimacy was hard to validate at the time.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)"</b> - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09, @03:46PM (#28641183)</p></div><p>Folks make mistakes, even here (&amp; there is some decent technical talent hanging around here, imo @ least... better than most forums boards possess typically!) AND, of course, this site's one of the better "techno-news" oriented websites on the entire internet, IF NOT the best one imo... but, that's a 'tall order' &amp; subject to opinion as well! However, folks DO make mistakes... So, it might be best to write it off as that (although you make a STRONG point - &amp;, it's amazing if an ENTIRE MASS OF PEOPLE MADE A MISTAKE &amp; WERE COMPLETELY OFF/WRONG, especially the crowd here on "things techincal", networking-telecommunications-wise, but... it's NOT out of the realm of possibility either, so, point-taken)</p><p>NOW - <b>You might be tempted to think that their competition did it...</b> &amp;, LOVES IT when they have an opportunity to 'crap on the competition' &amp; enflaming the crowds against them so they lose customers... FUNNY PART IS?</p><p><b>CABLE INTERNET COMPANIES DON'T REALLY HAVE COMPETITION FROM OTHER CABLE INTERNET PROVIDERS, not really!</b></p><p>I.E. -&gt; They own the regions they serve pretty much anyhow, &amp; don't really "overlap" into the others' territories! They're "geographically locked", but things may have changed since then, but, I don't think so...</p><p><b>HOWEVER - With DSL? It's different afaik... </b> Take VERIZON for example - I am fairly sure THEY are one of the bigger threats to region locked BSP's out there, because they can serve anyone that has a phone line, &amp; thus, they can enter these Cable Internet providers' areas &amp; take customers from them, with ease...</p><p>APK</p><p>P.S.=&gt; Plus, of course, there's also folks here that are trolls &amp; troublemakers that do so because they have nothing better to do, &amp; others "ride the wave" with them, + do things that are less than cool @ times... just like any other spot &amp; not just online - BUT, not always, &amp; a case like that IS below...</p><p>E.G. -&gt; I had that just happen to me in fact, where others put words in my mouth I never even stated @ all, or, trolling me under various usernames or plain "A/C" &amp; modding down my postings, which ticked me off to an extent -&gt; <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1287729&amp;cid=28539111" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1287729&amp;cid=28539111</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>(But, others then turned around &amp; modded my post back up to +1 INFORMATIVE, after they read what I wrote, on the topic of networking no less in response to the person I responded to, + all the others under it where I asked who modded me down &amp; why...)</p><p>So, that shows folks here DO read posts, even downward modded ones, &amp; don't stand for crap like that (the poster who did that to me? He threatened he would do that, stalk me &amp; troll me by modding me down &amp; then stupidly set himself up for being caught - which he was, by stating he would do so &amp; the fact his user page here showed he blew all his mod points in doing it, lol, right when this happened (I lured him into that in fact, &amp; said that was my goal after 10 mod downs or so).</p><p>(His name is "Americano" &amp; he not posted here since in fact &amp; has probably re-registered under another alternate guise 'sock puppet account' (OR, his "Americano guise" was one he used for that very purpose - sock puppetry)).</p><p>STILL - It's amazing what people will do to "save face", or, just to troll others for NO GOOD REASON (no valid good technical ones that is)... if they wouldn't troll others &amp; screw up? They wouldn't have to go to such lengths... apk</p></div>
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<tokenext>" Also , this discredits Comcast 's massive twitter efforts as ComcastBonnie so kindly made a slashdot account after seeing the twitter output from the article , and told us that the engineers promised no form of DNS hijacking was underway .
Underway or not , it was certainly being planned , and coverups should not be appreciated .
" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09 , @ 03 : 46PM ( # 28641183 ) From having worked @ a major cable internet provider for a GOOD BIT a few years back , I can tell you they have their " own special team " for responding to reports like this one , where said companies are mentioned &amp; especially on the " more travelled/trafficked websites " such as this one... so , do n't be TOO surprised @ some of the responses here is all , &amp; the FIRST THING I THOUGHT WAS : " I wonder how many of these people are 'marketing plants ' or their network engineer henchmen ?
" &amp; also " How many of these repsonses are those losing monies from adbanner revenues ? ?
" SO , I.E.- &gt; Yes , you are hinting @ this it seems , so yes , they may be " plants " ( i.e.- &gt; marketing people for them , or , their own top engineers brought in to put out enough " techno-babble " ( whether it is , or not ) to alleviate any damage this might cause them , " p.r. " -wise.. .
) OR , those adversely affected by losing revenues gained by adbanner views or search results... etc. et al.I do n't see adbanners here ( HOSTS files are wonderful for this , blocking them , &amp; also speeding up your surfing in doing that OR hardcoding your favorites into it , with their URL-to-IP Address resolved correctly in them ( which is great &amp; helps speed too , that is , until a site changes HOSTING PROVIDERS , but , that 's rare &amp; most let you know this is taking place so you can counter for it in a HOSTS file ) ) Now - I am probably " preaching to the choir " here on that note to you though , so , if I am ?
Please , accept my apologies - we all live life &amp; all that , &amp; pickup on the b.s .
out there going on !
( &amp; from said ISP/BSP I worked for ?
Well , the other staff/workers are told , during training , to stay out of stories on places such as , say , dslreports.com , if it involves said cable or dsl internet provider ) Yes , it seemed pretty " dirty " to do , imo @ least , but it is , how it is .
Like any business ?
They live &amp; die largely by their reputation , as well as the quality of service they provide .
I thought it was silly to give an order of that nature , because people should be free to speak their minds anyplace they choose , without threat of penalty from " the big boss " , &amp; it is " gotten around " , easily enough , should an IT tech worker there wish to do so , even when they get free cable or dsl from their company ( which most do this for their staff ) , but... this is " KoRpOrAtE AmErIkA " today , so we can expect such measures.Sure , they could say " well you do n't KNOW enough to respond there " &amp; that only says they feel they hire incompetent staff , which does n't look good doing THAT... or , that they may take the HONEST tack &amp; say , " We send our very best technical personnel to offset the trolling happening to us " etc .
et al ( which would be a better way to respond , as to WHY they do these things , imo @ least ) .Do n't get me wrong : The company I refer to here , which I wo n't name ?
Hey , they are , imo @ least , a great company though... so , other than that which I mention above , which I really did n't take THAT seriously or get angry over anyways because I really did think it was a top-notch outfit/operation which did provide their customers the fastest internet possible for cablemodem internet usage when I worked for they &amp; they had 2 million customers &amp; a TINY geographic area ( but , it was a HUGE major metropolitan area they had , a major city ( the most major of all iirc , population wise , in the USA or close to it in fact !
) ---- " it would n't be the first time we trolled a legitimate story because its legitimacy was hard to validate at the time .
: ) " - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09 , @ 03 : 46PM ( # 28641183 ) Folks make mistakes , even here ( &amp; there is some decent technical talent hanging around here , imo @ least... better than most forums boards possess typically !
) AND , of course , this site 's one of the better " techno-news " oriented websites on the entire internet , IF NOT the best one imo... but , that 's a 'tall order ' &amp; subject to opinion as well !
However , folks DO make mistakes... So , it might be best to write it off as that ( although you make a STRONG point - &amp; , it 's amazing if an ENTIRE MASS OF PEOPLE MADE A MISTAKE &amp; WERE COMPLETELY OFF/WRONG , especially the crowd here on " things techincal " , networking-telecommunications-wise , but... it 's NOT out of the realm of possibility either , so , point-taken ) NOW - You might be tempted to think that their competition did it... &amp; , LOVES IT when they have an opportunity to 'crap on the competition ' &amp; enflaming the crowds against them so they lose customers... FUNNY PART IS ? CABLE INTERNET COMPANIES DO N'T REALLY HAVE COMPETITION FROM OTHER CABLE INTERNET PROVIDERS , not really ! I.E .
- &gt; They own the regions they serve pretty much anyhow , &amp; do n't really " overlap " into the others ' territories !
They 're " geographically locked " , but things may have changed since then , but , I do n't think so...HOWEVER - With DSL ?
It 's different afaik... Take VERIZON for example - I am fairly sure THEY are one of the bigger threats to region locked BSP 's out there , because they can serve anyone that has a phone line , &amp; thus , they can enter these Cable Internet providers ' areas &amp; take customers from them , with ease...APKP.S. = &gt; Plus , of course , there 's also folks here that are trolls &amp; troublemakers that do so because they have nothing better to do , &amp; others " ride the wave " with them , + do things that are less than cool @ times... just like any other spot &amp; not just online - BUT , not always , &amp; a case like that IS below...E.G .
- &gt; I had that just happen to me in fact , where others put words in my mouth I never even stated @ all , or , trolling me under various usernames or plain " A/C " &amp; modding down my postings , which ticked me off to an extent - &gt; http : //tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1287729&amp;cid = 28539111 [ slashdot.org ] ( But , others then turned around &amp; modded my post back up to + 1 INFORMATIVE , after they read what I wrote , on the topic of networking no less in response to the person I responded to , + all the others under it where I asked who modded me down &amp; why... ) So , that shows folks here DO read posts , even downward modded ones , &amp; do n't stand for crap like that ( the poster who did that to me ?
He threatened he would do that , stalk me &amp; troll me by modding me down &amp; then stupidly set himself up for being caught - which he was , by stating he would do so &amp; the fact his user page here showed he blew all his mod points in doing it , lol , right when this happened ( I lured him into that in fact , &amp; said that was my goal after 10 mod downs or so ) .
( His name is " Americano " &amp; he not posted here since in fact &amp; has probably re-registered under another alternate guise 'sock puppet account ' ( OR , his " Americano guise " was one he used for that very purpose - sock puppetry ) ) .STILL - It 's amazing what people will do to " save face " , or , just to troll others for NO GOOD REASON ( no valid good technical ones that is ) ... if they would n't troll others &amp; screw up ?
They would n't have to go to such lengths... apk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Also, this discredits Comcast's massive twitter efforts as ComcastBonnie so kindly made a slashdot account after seeing the twitter output from the article, and told us that the engineers promised no form of DNS hijacking was underway.
Underway or not, it was certainly being planned, and coverups should not be appreciated.
" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09, @03:46PM (#28641183)From having worked @ a major cable internet provider for a GOOD BIT a few years back, I can tell you they have their "own special team" for responding to reports like this one, where said companies are mentioned &amp; especially on the "more travelled/trafficked websites" such as this one... so, don't be TOO surprised @ some of the responses here is all, &amp; the FIRST THING I THOUGHT WAS:"I wonder how many of these people are 'marketing plants' or their network engineer henchmen?
"&amp; also"How many of these repsonses are those losing monies from adbanner revenues??
"SO, I.E.-&gt; Yes, you are hinting @ this it seems, so yes, they may be "plants" (i.e.-&gt; marketing people for them, or, their own top engineers brought in to put out enough "techno-babble" (whether it is, or not) to alleviate any damage this might cause them, "p.r."-wise...
) OR, those adversely affected by losing revenues gained by adbanner views or search results... etc. et al.I don't see adbanners here (HOSTS files are wonderful for this, blocking them, &amp; also speeding up your surfing in doing that OR hardcoding your favorites into it, with their URL-to-IP Address resolved correctly in them (which is great &amp; helps speed too, that is, until a site changes HOSTING PROVIDERS, but, that's rare &amp; most let you know this is taking place so you can counter for it in a HOSTS file))Now - I am probably "preaching to the choir" here on that note to you though, so, if I am?
Please, accept my apologies - we all live life &amp; all that, &amp; pickup on the b.s.
out there going on!
(&amp; from said ISP/BSP I worked for?
Well, the other staff/workers are told, during training, to stay out of stories on places such as, say, dslreports.com, if it involves said cable or dsl internet provider)Yes, it seemed pretty "dirty" to do, imo @ least, but it is, how it is.
Like any business?
They live &amp; die largely by their reputation, as well as the quality of service they provide.
I thought it was silly to give an order of that nature, because people should be free to speak their minds anyplace they choose, without threat of penalty from "the big boss", &amp; it is "gotten around", easily enough, should an IT tech worker there wish to do so, even when they get free cable or dsl from their company (which most do this for their staff), but... this is "KoRpOrAtE AmErIkA" today, so we can expect such measures.Sure, they could say "well you don't KNOW enough to respond there" &amp; that only says they feel they hire incompetent staff, which doesn't look good doing THAT... or, that they may take the HONEST tack &amp; say, "We send our very best technical personnel to offset the trolling happening to us" etc.
et al (which would be a better way to respond, as to WHY they do these things, imo @ least).Don't get me wrong:The company I refer to here, which I won't name?
Hey, they are, imo @ least, a great company though... so, other than that which I mention above, which I really didn't take THAT seriously or get angry over anyways because I really did think it was a top-notch outfit/operation which did provide their customers the fastest internet possible for cablemodem internet usage when I worked for they &amp; they had 2 million customers &amp; a TINY geographic area (but, it was a HUGE major metropolitan area they had, a major city (the most major of all iirc, population wise, in the USA or close to it in fact!
)----"it wouldn't be the first time we trolled a legitimate story because its legitimacy was hard to validate at the time.
:)" - by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 09, @03:46PM (#28641183)Folks make mistakes, even here (&amp; there is some decent technical talent hanging around here, imo @ least... better than most forums boards possess typically!
) AND, of course, this site's one of the better "techno-news" oriented websites on the entire internet, IF NOT the best one imo... but, that's a 'tall order' &amp; subject to opinion as well!
However, folks DO make mistakes... So, it might be best to write it off as that (although you make a STRONG point - &amp;, it's amazing if an ENTIRE MASS OF PEOPLE MADE A MISTAKE &amp; WERE COMPLETELY OFF/WRONG, especially the crowd here on "things techincal", networking-telecommunications-wise, but... it's NOT out of the realm of possibility either, so, point-taken)NOW - You might be tempted to think that their competition did it... &amp;, LOVES IT when they have an opportunity to 'crap on the competition' &amp; enflaming the crowds against them so they lose customers... FUNNY PART IS?CABLE INTERNET COMPANIES DON'T REALLY HAVE COMPETITION FROM OTHER CABLE INTERNET PROVIDERS, not really!I.E.
-&gt; They own the regions they serve pretty much anyhow, &amp; don't really "overlap" into the others' territories!
They're "geographically locked", but things may have changed since then, but, I don't think so...HOWEVER - With DSL?
It's different afaik...  Take VERIZON for example - I am fairly sure THEY are one of the bigger threats to region locked BSP's out there, because they can serve anyone that has a phone line, &amp; thus, they can enter these Cable Internet providers' areas &amp; take customers from them, with ease...APKP.S.=&gt; Plus, of course, there's also folks here that are trolls &amp; troublemakers that do so because they have nothing better to do, &amp; others "ride the wave" with them, + do things that are less than cool @ times... just like any other spot &amp; not just online - BUT, not always, &amp; a case like that IS below...E.G.
-&gt; I had that just happen to me in fact, where others put words in my mouth I never even stated @ all, or, trolling me under various usernames or plain "A/C" &amp; modding down my postings, which ticked me off to an extent -&gt; http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1287729&amp;cid=28539111 [slashdot.org](But, others then turned around &amp; modded my post back up to +1 INFORMATIVE, after they read what I wrote, on the topic of networking no less in response to the person I responded to, + all the others under it where I asked who modded me down &amp; why...)So, that shows folks here DO read posts, even downward modded ones, &amp; don't stand for crap like that (the poster who did that to me?
He threatened he would do that, stalk me &amp; troll me by modding me down &amp; then stupidly set himself up for being caught - which he was, by stating he would do so &amp; the fact his user page here showed he blew all his mod points in doing it, lol, right when this happened (I lured him into that in fact, &amp; said that was my goal after 10 mod downs or so).
(His name is "Americano" &amp; he not posted here since in fact &amp; has probably re-registered under another alternate guise 'sock puppet account' (OR, his "Americano guise" was one he used for that very purpose - sock puppetry)).STILL - It's amazing what people will do to "save face", or, just to troll others for NO GOOD REASON (no valid good technical ones that is)... if they wouldn't troll others &amp; screw up?
They wouldn't have to go to such lengths... apk
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	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641183</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640967</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247171640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In what way is this relevant to OpenDNS? They actually do the same dirty trick aswell. Just because they have "open" in their name doesn't mean they're great and everyone should use them. They run their DNS servers to make profit from non-existing domains and hell, they even redirect requests to google.com to their own servers.</p><p>Thankfully there are open dns servers that dont do such either, for example university in Gothenburg, Sweden: 129.16.1.53 and 129.16.2.53 and several others. Those that have the technical knowledge can also set up their own dns recursive dns servers on their linux box and use those directly (while it fetches the results from root servers)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In what way is this relevant to OpenDNS ?
They actually do the same dirty trick aswell .
Just because they have " open " in their name does n't mean they 're great and everyone should use them .
They run their DNS servers to make profit from non-existing domains and hell , they even redirect requests to google.com to their own servers.Thankfully there are open dns servers that dont do such either , for example university in Gothenburg , Sweden : 129.16.1.53 and 129.16.2.53 and several others .
Those that have the technical knowledge can also set up their own dns recursive dns servers on their linux box and use those directly ( while it fetches the results from root servers )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In what way is this relevant to OpenDNS?
They actually do the same dirty trick aswell.
Just because they have "open" in their name doesn't mean they're great and everyone should use them.
They run their DNS servers to make profit from non-existing domains and hell, they even redirect requests to google.com to their own servers.Thankfully there are open dns servers that dont do such either, for example university in Gothenburg, Sweden: 129.16.1.53 and 129.16.2.53 and several others.
Those that have the technical knowledge can also set up their own dns recursive dns servers on their linux box and use those directly (while it fetches the results from root servers)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640851</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641249</id>
	<title>Just use NoRedirect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247172660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use my laptop in different networks (visiting friends, relatives, etc.), and opt-out is often not easy or not even possible (depending on which ISP it is).  So now I just use <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/11787" title="mozilla.org" rel="nofollow">NoRedirect</a> [mozilla.org] and never have to worry about this stuff again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use my laptop in different networks ( visiting friends , relatives , etc .
) , and opt-out is often not easy or not even possible ( depending on which ISP it is ) .
So now I just use NoRedirect [ mozilla.org ] and never have to worry about this stuff again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use my laptop in different networks (visiting friends, relatives, etc.
), and opt-out is often not easy or not even possible (depending on which ISP it is).
So now I just use NoRedirect [mozilla.org] and never have to worry about this stuff again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28648039</id>
	<title>Everything Comcast does has underlining motives</title>
	<author>angelbunny</author>
	<datestamp>1247231820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This new 'service' Comcast is testing helps comcast identify its customers better which helps with the 250GB cap. The new DNS setup locks out hacked modems (unregistered modems) without spoofing as a legit modem. It also limits the speed cap from the cmts (node) end as well as the cable modem so no more uncapped 30megabit/s down and 10megabit/s up on a single modem without cloning a developer na modem.</p><p>The real conversation should not be about openDNS but how comcast is going out of its way to make sure it can identify which users are breaking the 250GB cap which ultimately forces many of the not so legit comcast users who like their anonymity to spoof as someone else on the same network and therefor ultimately putting blame on the wrong person when comcast issues an abuse suspend. It is ironic really.</p><p>It may sound like a completely separate subject but by comcast playing with its dns forwarding has much bigger back end changes that seem not related but in fact are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This new 'service ' Comcast is testing helps comcast identify its customers better which helps with the 250GB cap .
The new DNS setup locks out hacked modems ( unregistered modems ) without spoofing as a legit modem .
It also limits the speed cap from the cmts ( node ) end as well as the cable modem so no more uncapped 30megabit/s down and 10megabit/s up on a single modem without cloning a developer na modem.The real conversation should not be about openDNS but how comcast is going out of its way to make sure it can identify which users are breaking the 250GB cap which ultimately forces many of the not so legit comcast users who like their anonymity to spoof as someone else on the same network and therefor ultimately putting blame on the wrong person when comcast issues an abuse suspend .
It is ironic really.It may sound like a completely separate subject but by comcast playing with its dns forwarding has much bigger back end changes that seem not related but in fact are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This new 'service' Comcast is testing helps comcast identify its customers better which helps with the 250GB cap.
The new DNS setup locks out hacked modems (unregistered modems) without spoofing as a legit modem.
It also limits the speed cap from the cmts (node) end as well as the cable modem so no more uncapped 30megabit/s down and 10megabit/s up on a single modem without cloning a developer na modem.The real conversation should not be about openDNS but how comcast is going out of its way to make sure it can identify which users are breaking the 250GB cap which ultimately forces many of the not so legit comcast users who like their anonymity to spoof as someone else on the same network and therefor ultimately putting blame on the wrong person when comcast issues an abuse suspend.
It is ironic really.It may sound like a completely separate subject but by comcast playing with its dns forwarding has much bigger back end changes that seem not related but in fact are.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641079</id>
	<title>Re:Bad assumption being made</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1247172000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That depends. If you have server authentication, it won't. More importantly, if the Comcast server doesn't listen on any port but 80, it certainly won't.</p><p>If you were relying on correct DNS responses to provide security (such as preventing your login credentials from being given away), you were doing it wrong in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That depends .
If you have server authentication , it wo n't .
More importantly , if the Comcast server does n't listen on any port but 80 , it certainly wo n't.If you were relying on correct DNS responses to provide security ( such as preventing your login credentials from being given away ) , you were doing it wrong in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That depends.
If you have server authentication, it won't.
More importantly, if the Comcast server doesn't listen on any port but 80, it certainly won't.If you were relying on correct DNS responses to provide security (such as preventing your login credentials from being given away), you were doing it wrong in the first place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640683</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28648725</id>
	<title>Re:Call it what it is</title>
	<author>zsadecki</author>
	<datestamp>1247236380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Which is likely why it became 1-800-CALL-ATT.  And Carrottop even spelled it out multiple times during the commercials so if you didn't have the capacity to spell those words they forced it into your long term memory through repetition...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is likely why it became 1-800-CALL-ATT .
And Carrottop even spelled it out multiple times during the commercials so if you did n't have the capacity to spell those words they forced it into your long term memory through repetition.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is likely why it became 1-800-CALL-ATT.
And Carrottop even spelled it out multiple times during the commercials so if you didn't have the capacity to spell those words they forced it into your long term memory through repetition...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640803</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641065</id>
	<title>Help friends opt out</title>
	<author>linebackn</author>
	<datestamp>1247171940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems like a simple enough solution, geeks like us should help friends, neighbors,  relatives, and anyone else we encounter to opt-out of this nonsense. If enough people opt-out of this then DNS redirection could theoretically become unprofitable enough that they would ditch it!</p><p>Grass-roots spreading the word has worked well for Firefox, so why not this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like a simple enough solution , geeks like us should help friends , neighbors , relatives , and anyone else we encounter to opt-out of this nonsense .
If enough people opt-out of this then DNS redirection could theoretically become unprofitable enough that they would ditch it ! Grass-roots spreading the word has worked well for Firefox , so why not this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like a simple enough solution, geeks like us should help friends, neighbors,  relatives, and anyone else we encounter to opt-out of this nonsense.
If enough people opt-out of this then DNS redirection could theoretically become unprofitable enough that they would ditch it!Grass-roots spreading the word has worked well for Firefox, so why not this?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640421</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>s7uar7</author>
	<datestamp>1247169420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's more to the internet than just the www.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's more to the internet than just the www .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's more to the internet than just the www.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640287</id>
	<title>The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>TheRealJobe</author>
	<datestamp>1247168940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Before you go calling me a troll, just hear me out, this isn't that big of a deal. It doesnt redirect you to another 3rd party site owned by the NSA, it simply provides a web GUI that suggest sites on what the system thought you wanted to see. You dont have to go any sites you dont want to. The sky isnt falling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Before you go calling me a troll , just hear me out , this is n't that big of a deal .
It doesnt redirect you to another 3rd party site owned by the NSA , it simply provides a web GUI that suggest sites on what the system thought you wanted to see .
You dont have to go any sites you dont want to .
The sky isnt falling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before you go calling me a troll, just hear me out, this isn't that big of a deal.
It doesnt redirect you to another 3rd party site owned by the NSA, it simply provides a web GUI that suggest sites on what the system thought you wanted to see.
You dont have to go any sites you dont want to.
The sky isnt falling.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642313</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>therealkevinkretz</author>
	<datestamp>1247134320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First, you *choose* OpenDNS.  Second, you can configure OpenDNS to behave the way DNS is supposed to behave.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First , you * choose * OpenDNS .
Second , you can configure OpenDNS to behave the way DNS is supposed to behave .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, you *choose* OpenDNS.
Second, you can configure OpenDNS to behave the way DNS is supposed to behave.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640851</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641763</id>
	<title>Re:Call it what it is</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1247131800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So? sounds like someone at MCI was thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So ?
sounds like someone at MCI was thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So?
sounds like someone at MCI was thinking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640803</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28648181</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247232960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's different because you \_choose\_ to send DNS traffic to OpenDNS. If you want to send your traffic to another DNS server that doesn't show you ads, you have a choice. This article suggests that ALL DNS queries destined for any other DNS server will be intercepted by Comcast which means you won't have that choice any longer. Thankfully they offer an opt-out option but how long will it be before that's revoked?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's different because you \ _choose \ _ to send DNS traffic to OpenDNS .
If you want to send your traffic to another DNS server that does n't show you ads , you have a choice .
This article suggests that ALL DNS queries destined for any other DNS server will be intercepted by Comcast which means you wo n't have that choice any longer .
Thankfully they offer an opt-out option but how long will it be before that 's revoked ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's different because you \_choose\_ to send DNS traffic to OpenDNS.
If you want to send your traffic to another DNS server that doesn't show you ads, you have a choice.
This article suggests that ALL DNS queries destined for any other DNS server will be intercepted by Comcast which means you won't have that choice any longer.
Thankfully they offer an opt-out option but how long will it be before that's revoked?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640851</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642405</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1247134680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but how do you make money from end-users when you're an infrastructure provider? After all, not breaking standards to avoid making money is just not right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but how do you make money from end-users when you 're an infrastructure provider ?
After all , not breaking standards to avoid making money is just not right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but how do you make money from end-users when you're an infrastructure provider?
After all, not breaking standards to avoid making money is just not right.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640539</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644175</id>
	<title>The real rason why Comcast is doing this.</title>
	<author>bmecoli</author>
	<datestamp>1247142600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a friend once that didn't pay her Comcast bill.  When this happens, all DNS requests get redirected to Comcast's "Oh hi! Please activate your modem" page.  After thinking about this for a bit, I had the ingenious idea of using OpenDNS to bypass Comcast's DNS server.  I set up her PC to use OpenDNS, and lo' and behold it worked. She was able to use the internet as if she paid her bills and everything. See, Comcast is doing this because they don't want anyone to cheat them out of their service.  I'm pretty sure that this could work with any Comcast approved modem as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a friend once that did n't pay her Comcast bill .
When this happens , all DNS requests get redirected to Comcast 's " Oh hi !
Please activate your modem " page .
After thinking about this for a bit , I had the ingenious idea of using OpenDNS to bypass Comcast 's DNS server .
I set up her PC to use OpenDNS , and lo ' and behold it worked .
She was able to use the internet as if she paid her bills and everything .
See , Comcast is doing this because they do n't want anyone to cheat them out of their service .
I 'm pretty sure that this could work with any Comcast approved modem as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a friend once that didn't pay her Comcast bill.
When this happens, all DNS requests get redirected to Comcast's "Oh hi!
Please activate your modem" page.
After thinking about this for a bit, I had the ingenious idea of using OpenDNS to bypass Comcast's DNS server.
I set up her PC to use OpenDNS, and lo' and behold it worked.
She was able to use the internet as if she paid her bills and everything.
See, Comcast is doing this because they don't want anyone to cheat them out of their service.
I'm pretty sure that this could work with any Comcast approved modem as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645315</id>
	<title>Comcast DNS servers are already moot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247151360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Years ago, Comcast's DNS servers were so fouled up that even surfing to Comcast.net would sometimes time-out.  Many of us learned that the key to restoring health to our broadband performance was to specify non-Comcast DNS servers.  So this new issue of DNS-hijacking is already moot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Years ago , Comcast 's DNS servers were so fouled up that even surfing to Comcast.net would sometimes time-out .
Many of us learned that the key to restoring health to our broadband performance was to specify non-Comcast DNS servers .
So this new issue of DNS-hijacking is already moot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Years ago, Comcast's DNS servers were so fouled up that even surfing to Comcast.net would sometimes time-out.
Many of us learned that the key to restoring health to our broadband performance was to specify non-Comcast DNS servers.
So this new issue of DNS-hijacking is already moot.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641459</id>
	<title>Funny comcast site</title>
	<author>santax</author>
	<datestamp>1247130420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have made an comment referring to the verizon times... And i explained that this was a pay per click revenue. It didn't get posted. So i voted a one star on the article... Couldn't see it back in the stats... I noticed after my vote it went from 5 to 3 stars, but on the frontpage it is still 4 stars. When I tried to made another comment I noticed I got an ip ban...

Weird. My comment was fair and not a flame... yet now I am banned. Why not just disable comments?

All of this combinded is raising the questiong, which former CEO of verisign is now a member of Comcast?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have made an comment referring to the verizon times... And i explained that this was a pay per click revenue .
It did n't get posted .
So i voted a one star on the article... Could n't see it back in the stats... I noticed after my vote it went from 5 to 3 stars , but on the frontpage it is still 4 stars .
When I tried to made another comment I noticed I got an ip ban.. . Weird. My comment was fair and not a flame... yet now I am banned .
Why not just disable comments ?
All of this combinded is raising the questiong , which former CEO of verisign is now a member of Comcast ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have made an comment referring to the verizon times... And i explained that this was a pay per click revenue.
It didn't get posted.
So i voted a one star on the article... Couldn't see it back in the stats... I noticed after my vote it went from 5 to 3 stars, but on the frontpage it is still 4 stars.
When I tried to made another comment I noticed I got an ip ban...

Weird. My comment was fair and not a flame... yet now I am banned.
Why not just disable comments?
All of this combinded is raising the questiong, which former CEO of verisign is now a member of Comcast?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641923</id>
	<title>DNS Engineer in Chat right now</title>
	<author>ComcastBonnie</author>
	<datestamp>1247132580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://bit.ly/12S4a8" title="bit.ly" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/12S4a8</a> [bit.ly] Feel free to join and ask questions!</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //bit.ly/12S4a8 [ bit.ly ] Feel free to join and ask questions !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://bit.ly/12S4a8 [bit.ly] Feel free to join and ask questions!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641353</id>
	<title>Re:Lots have failed, but some have succeeded</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247173080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Suddenlink Communication in TX does. They bought the area from Cox Communications, which did it as well....</p><p>The local MOMnPOP ISP I worked for didn't do it, but it seems like any ISP with more than a few counties of coverage sure as hell does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Suddenlink Communication in TX does .
They bought the area from Cox Communications , which did it as well....The local MOMnPOP ISP I worked for did n't do it , but it seems like any ISP with more than a few counties of coverage sure as hell does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suddenlink Communication in TX does.
They bought the area from Cox Communications, which did it as well....The local MOMnPOP ISP I worked for didn't do it, but it seems like any ISP with more than a few counties of coverage sure as hell does.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640915</id>
	<title>What about non-HTTP?</title>
	<author>slushdork</author>
	<datestamp>1247171400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a Comcast "customer" in an affected "market" (Colorado). How will this affect DNS resolution requests for non-HTTP purposes? There is no way for the Comcast DNS servers to know what a DNS name resolution request is for: it could be for HTTP, or it could be for SSH, FTP, etc. So if I mis-type an FQDN hostname in an SSH command, will the DNS resolution request now suceed? Previously SSH would fail with a "cannot resolve hostname" error or something similar. Will it now try to connect with SSH to the Comcast "domain helper" servers? What about its effects on local DNS caching servers (e.g. dnsmasq)?
<p>
Also, this statement from Comcast's blog is blatantly false:</p><blockquote><div><p>Despite the fact that web addresses are easier to remember than their IP address counterparts, sometimes you mistype an address. Let's say you type in <a href="http://www.comtcas.com/" title="comtcas.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.comtcas.com/</a> [comtcas.com] (instead of <a href="http://www.comcast.com./" title="www.comcast.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.comcast.com./</a> [www.comcast.com] Normally you then sit and wait for the Web browser to time out, then you receive an error message that the site does not exist, and then you have to retype the correct address.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Normally you would *never* "sit and wait for the Web browser to time out" (well, these *are* Comcast's DNS servers after all, so in this specific case it might be true). Normally, your browser would get a DNS resolution failure and show you a built-in error page instantaneously. Now, on the other hand, you have to wait until your browser goes off and loads a page of Comcast ads.
</p><p>
Domain Helper my a$$!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a Comcast " customer " in an affected " market " ( Colorado ) .
How will this affect DNS resolution requests for non-HTTP purposes ?
There is no way for the Comcast DNS servers to know what a DNS name resolution request is for : it could be for HTTP , or it could be for SSH , FTP , etc .
So if I mis-type an FQDN hostname in an SSH command , will the DNS resolution request now suceed ?
Previously SSH would fail with a " can not resolve hostname " error or something similar .
Will it now try to connect with SSH to the Comcast " domain helper " servers ?
What about its effects on local DNS caching servers ( e.g .
dnsmasq ) ? Also , this statement from Comcast 's blog is blatantly false : Despite the fact that web addresses are easier to remember than their IP address counterparts , sometimes you mistype an address .
Let 's say you type in http : //www.comtcas.com/ [ comtcas.com ] ( instead of http : //www.comcast.com./ [ www.comcast.com ] Normally you then sit and wait for the Web browser to time out , then you receive an error message that the site does not exist , and then you have to retype the correct address .
Normally you would * never * " sit and wait for the Web browser to time out " ( well , these * are * Comcast 's DNS servers after all , so in this specific case it might be true ) .
Normally , your browser would get a DNS resolution failure and show you a built-in error page instantaneously .
Now , on the other hand , you have to wait until your browser goes off and loads a page of Comcast ads .
Domain Helper my a $ $ !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a Comcast "customer" in an affected "market" (Colorado).
How will this affect DNS resolution requests for non-HTTP purposes?
There is no way for the Comcast DNS servers to know what a DNS name resolution request is for: it could be for HTTP, or it could be for SSH, FTP, etc.
So if I mis-type an FQDN hostname in an SSH command, will the DNS resolution request now suceed?
Previously SSH would fail with a "cannot resolve hostname" error or something similar.
Will it now try to connect with SSH to the Comcast "domain helper" servers?
What about its effects on local DNS caching servers (e.g.
dnsmasq)?

Also, this statement from Comcast's blog is blatantly false:Despite the fact that web addresses are easier to remember than their IP address counterparts, sometimes you mistype an address.
Let's say you type in http://www.comtcas.com/ [comtcas.com] (instead of http://www.comcast.com./ [www.comcast.com] Normally you then sit and wait for the Web browser to time out, then you receive an error message that the site does not exist, and then you have to retype the correct address.
Normally you would *never* "sit and wait for the Web browser to time out" (well, these *are* Comcast's DNS servers after all, so in this specific case it might be true).
Normally, your browser would get a DNS resolution failure and show you a built-in error page instantaneously.
Now, on the other hand, you have to wait until your browser goes off and loads a page of Comcast ads.
Domain Helper my a$$!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641433</id>
	<title>Re:Best DNS alternative w/o redirection?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247130240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>All I want is clean unfiltered DNS.</p></div></blockquote><p>
There is no such thing.  All DNS is subjective.  There is no single for-sure authority; there is simply popularity.  Most people say their own ISP is the final authority, and most ISPs (Comcast is being an exception here) defer to ICANN.  Comcast is saying ICANN is right about what exists, and wrong about what doesn't.
</p><p>
DNS is all opinion and trust.  In fact, it's no different than search engines.  Google maps a string to one DNS name (and then somebody maps that name to an address), Yahoo maps a string to another DNS name.
</p><p>
So be precise: You don't want unfiltered DNS; you want ICANN DNS.  (At least until the next news story of ICANN screwing things up yet again -- but while it'll make you resent ICANN you won't want to leave them, because <strong>nobody</strong> chooses ICANN for being the best; they choose ICANN because most other people have chosen ICANN.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All I want is clean unfiltered DNS .
There is no such thing .
All DNS is subjective .
There is no single for-sure authority ; there is simply popularity .
Most people say their own ISP is the final authority , and most ISPs ( Comcast is being an exception here ) defer to ICANN .
Comcast is saying ICANN is right about what exists , and wrong about what does n't .
DNS is all opinion and trust .
In fact , it 's no different than search engines .
Google maps a string to one DNS name ( and then somebody maps that name to an address ) , Yahoo maps a string to another DNS name .
So be precise : You do n't want unfiltered DNS ; you want ICANN DNS .
( At least until the next news story of ICANN screwing things up yet again -- but while it 'll make you resent ICANN you wo n't want to leave them , because nobody chooses ICANN for being the best ; they choose ICANN because most other people have chosen ICANN .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All I want is clean unfiltered DNS.
There is no such thing.
All DNS is subjective.
There is no single for-sure authority; there is simply popularity.
Most people say their own ISP is the final authority, and most ISPs (Comcast is being an exception here) defer to ICANN.
Comcast is saying ICANN is right about what exists, and wrong about what doesn't.
DNS is all opinion and trust.
In fact, it's no different than search engines.
Google maps a string to one DNS name (and then somebody maps that name to an address), Yahoo maps a string to another DNS name.
So be precise: You don't want unfiltered DNS; you want ICANN DNS.
(At least until the next news story of ICANN screwing things up yet again -- but while it'll make you resent ICANN you won't want to leave them, because nobody chooses ICANN for being the best; they choose ICANN because most other people have chosen ICANN.
)
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640455</id>
	<title>Re:Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rogers is still doing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rogers is still doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rogers is still doing it.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640901</id>
	<title>Re:Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>woddfellow2</author>
	<datestamp>1247171340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Add <a href="http://dslreports.com/shownews/Windstream-DNS-redirection-90889" title="dslreports.com" rel="nofollow">Windstream</a> [dslreports.com] to that list.<br>
<br>
I was able to <a href="http://dslreports.com/faq/16130" title="dslreports.com" rel="nofollow">opt out of it</a> [dslreports.com], though...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Add Windstream [ dslreports.com ] to that list .
I was able to opt out of it [ dslreports.com ] , though.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Add Windstream [dslreports.com] to that list.
I was able to opt out of it [dslreports.com], though...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640315</id>
	<title>Best DNS alternative w/o redirection?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've given up on my ISPs (SuddenLink) DNS, it redirects. I've given up on OpenDNS, it redirects. I've given up on DNS Advantage, as they redirect.</p><p>All I want is clean unfiltered DNS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've given up on my ISPs ( SuddenLink ) DNS , it redirects .
I 've given up on OpenDNS , it redirects .
I 've given up on DNS Advantage , as they redirect.All I want is clean unfiltered DNS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've given up on my ISPs (SuddenLink) DNS, it redirects.
I've given up on OpenDNS, it redirects.
I've given up on DNS Advantage, as they redirect.All I want is clean unfiltered DNS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644199</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Nesman64</author>
	<datestamp>1247142720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If "opt out" is cookie based, then it's useless.  Can anyone confirm?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If " opt out " is cookie based , then it 's useless .
Can anyone confirm ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If "opt out" is cookie based, then it's useless.
Can anyone confirm?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642097</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>deraj123</author>
	<datestamp>1247133300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Try looking at the entire service.  So far as I have been able to tell, you can turn off every single one of their "features", giving you a simple, straightforward dns service.
</p><p>
And for those replying to you confused about the google thing - they don't</p><blockquote><div><p>redirect requests to google.com to their own servers</p></div></blockquote><p>.  What they do is provide a dns entry for www.google.com that points to their own servers.  These servers proxy the real www.google.com to strip out some functionality that opendns found particularly offensive (I have not experienced the functionality, and can't say whether I agree or disagree with their views).  However, like every other "feature" I've found at OpenDNS, you can turn this off.  Yes, at first you couldn't.  I stopped using OpenDNS for awhile.  Now you can.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try looking at the entire service .
So far as I have been able to tell , you can turn off every single one of their " features " , giving you a simple , straightforward dns service .
And for those replying to you confused about the google thing - they don'tredirect requests to google.com to their own servers .
What they do is provide a dns entry for www.google.com that points to their own servers .
These servers proxy the real www.google.com to strip out some functionality that opendns found particularly offensive ( I have not experienced the functionality , and ca n't say whether I agree or disagree with their views ) .
However , like every other " feature " I 've found at OpenDNS , you can turn this off .
Yes , at first you could n't .
I stopped using OpenDNS for awhile .
Now you can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Try looking at the entire service.
So far as I have been able to tell, you can turn off every single one of their "features", giving you a simple, straightforward dns service.
And for those replying to you confused about the google thing - they don'tredirect requests to google.com to their own servers.
What they do is provide a dns entry for www.google.com that points to their own servers.
These servers proxy the real www.google.com to strip out some functionality that opendns found particularly offensive (I have not experienced the functionality, and can't say whether I agree or disagree with their views).
However, like every other "feature" I've found at OpenDNS, you can turn this off.
Yes, at first you couldn't.
I stopped using OpenDNS for awhile.
Now you can.

	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640939</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Seakip18</author>
	<datestamp>1247171520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right kind of moderation going on here. I posted a suggestion from someone a while back and get lots of good(albeit slightly over-critical) feedback to correct me and warn other users. Thanks<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ community.</p><p>While I wouldn't be opposed to a +1 insightful, a +4 informative on my post is wholly undeserved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right kind of moderation going on here .
I posted a suggestion from someone a while back and get lots of good ( albeit slightly over-critical ) feedback to correct me and warn other users .
Thanks ./ community.While I would n't be opposed to a + 1 insightful , a + 4 informative on my post is wholly undeserved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right kind of moderation going on here.
I posted a suggestion from someone a while back and get lots of good(albeit slightly over-critical) feedback to correct me and warn other users.
Thanks ./ community.While I wouldn't be opposed to a +1 insightful, a +4 informative on my post is wholly undeserved.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640821</id>
	<title>it can fail badly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247170920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My ISP did it for a while. The problem was that it was badly implemented and increased to load on the upstream DNS services.</p><p>So if the middle layer DNS cache was empty and I asked for<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; mybank.com the bottom level DNS timed out and it failed over to the advertising page.</p><p>---<br>Think of searching on coke.com or any real address then the system failing and redirecting you to pepsi.com.</p><p>Think of the lawsuits. Think of the denial of service attacks possible<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; a) register not\_mybank.com, have spoof of mybank.com page ready to launch<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; b) pay to have a fail on mybank.com route to not\_mybank.com<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; c) denial of service attack to root servers for mybank.com, flip in your spoof page<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; d) have the ISP's magically send people to your spoof site from their saved URL's and collect passwords</p><p>Yeah this is a good idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My ISP did it for a while .
The problem was that it was badly implemented and increased to load on the upstream DNS services.So if the middle layer DNS cache was empty and I asked for     mybank.com the bottom level DNS timed out and it failed over to the advertising page.---Think of searching on coke.com or any real address then the system failing and redirecting you to pepsi.com.Think of the lawsuits .
Think of the denial of service attacks possible       a ) register not \ _mybank.com , have spoof of mybank.com page ready to launch       b ) pay to have a fail on mybank.com route to not \ _mybank.com       c ) denial of service attack to root servers for mybank.com , flip in your spoof page       d ) have the ISP 's magically send people to your spoof site from their saved URL 's and collect passwordsYeah this is a good idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My ISP did it for a while.
The problem was that it was badly implemented and increased to load on the upstream DNS services.So if the middle layer DNS cache was empty and I asked for
    mybank.com the bottom level DNS timed out and it failed over to the advertising page.---Think of searching on coke.com or any real address then the system failing and redirecting you to pepsi.com.Think of the lawsuits.
Think of the denial of service attacks possible
      a) register not\_mybank.com, have spoof of mybank.com page ready to launch
      b) pay to have a fail on mybank.com route to not\_mybank.com
      c) denial of service attack to root servers for mybank.com, flip in your spoof page
      d) have the ISP's magically send people to your spoof site from their saved URL's and collect passwordsYeah this is a good idea.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644437</id>
	<title>Re:it can fail badly</title>
	<author>Phroggy</author>
	<datestamp>1247143920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fortunately, SSL thwarts this sort of thing.  Newer browsers show SSL EV certificate information more prominently in the address bar as well as highlighting the domain name portion of the URL; users who bother to look at both of these will be secure.  Users who don't are screwed, though, until DNSSEC becomes the norm (maybe in a decade or so?).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fortunately , SSL thwarts this sort of thing .
Newer browsers show SSL EV certificate information more prominently in the address bar as well as highlighting the domain name portion of the URL ; users who bother to look at both of these will be secure .
Users who do n't are screwed , though , until DNSSEC becomes the norm ( maybe in a decade or so ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fortunately, SSL thwarts this sort of thing.
Newer browsers show SSL EV certificate information more prominently in the address bar as well as highlighting the domain name portion of the URL; users who bother to look at both of these will be secure.
Users who don't are screwed, though, until DNSSEC becomes the norm (maybe in a decade or so?
).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28647843</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>Salgak1</author>
	<datestamp>1247230020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And, of course, with the STERLING record of Comcast for customer service, it looks like yet MORE proof of Comcraptic! service to paying customers.  . .</htmltext>
<tokenext>And , of course , with the STERLING record of Comcast for customer service , it looks like yet MORE proof of Comcraptic !
service to paying customers .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, of course, with the STERLING record of Comcast for customer service, it looks like yet MORE proof of Comcraptic!
service to paying customers.
. .</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644023</id>
	<title>Re:Call it what it is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247141700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>For those who don't know, we're required (at least in most of the USA if not all of it) to pick a long distance service provider.</i> </p><p>Not I.  My copper line is used for dial-up and I can't dial long-distance.  No long-distance carrier is selected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those who do n't know , we 're required ( at least in most of the USA if not all of it ) to pick a long distance service provider .
Not I. My copper line is used for dial-up and I ca n't dial long-distance .
No long-distance carrier is selected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those who don't know, we're required (at least in most of the USA if not all of it) to pick a long distance service provider.
Not I.  My copper line is used for dial-up and I can't dial long-distance.
No long-distance carrier is selected.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640565</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Ian Alexander</author>
	<datestamp>1247169900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the fine article there's an opt-out button on the page you get redirected to so I'm not certain that would be necessary:<blockquote><div><p>We also understand that sometimes customers want to surf their own way, without the assistance of services like Domain Helper, so we offer an easy way to opt-out right on the Domain Helper search page.</p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the fine article there 's an opt-out button on the page you get redirected to so I 'm not certain that would be necessary : We also understand that sometimes customers want to surf their own way , without the assistance of services like Domain Helper , so we offer an easy way to opt-out right on the Domain Helper search page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the fine article there's an opt-out button on the page you get redirected to so I'm not certain that would be necessary:We also understand that sometimes customers want to surf their own way, without the assistance of services like Domain Helper, so we offer an easy way to opt-out right on the Domain Helper search page. 
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642525</id>
	<title>Another shitty Comcast "service"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great!! Another shitty "service" for us Comcast users. Thankfully it's not here yet. Seem that the dicks at Comcast thinks it's funny to screw around with our service. I pay for the damn thing so I should be able to get what I want from it. Only other option I have here is DSL and that's a no go too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great ! !
Another shitty " service " for us Comcast users .
Thankfully it 's not here yet .
Seem that the dicks at Comcast thinks it 's funny to screw around with our service .
I pay for the damn thing so I should be able to get what I want from it .
Only other option I have here is DSL and that 's a no go too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great!!
Another shitty "service" for us Comcast users.
Thankfully it's not here yet.
Seem that the dicks at Comcast thinks it's funny to screw around with our service.
I pay for the damn thing so I should be able to get what I want from it.
Only other option I have here is DSL and that's a no go too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642101</id>
	<title>Re:What about non-HTTP?</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1247133300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So if I mis-type an FQDN hostname in an SSH command, will the DNS resolution request now suceed? Previously SSH would fail with a "cannot resolve hostname" error or something similar. Will it now try to connect with SSH to the Comcast "domain helper" servers? What about its effects on local DNS caching servers (e.g. dnsmasq)?</p> </div><p>Yes, yes, and none. (A local DNS server doesn't contact your ISP's recursive resolver. They're not doing hijacking of DNS packets not destined for them. So, what their resolver would return is irrelevant for your local server.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So if I mis-type an FQDN hostname in an SSH command , will the DNS resolution request now suceed ?
Previously SSH would fail with a " can not resolve hostname " error or something similar .
Will it now try to connect with SSH to the Comcast " domain helper " servers ?
What about its effects on local DNS caching servers ( e.g .
dnsmasq ) ? Yes , yes , and none .
( A local DNS server does n't contact your ISP 's recursive resolver .
They 're not doing hijacking of DNS packets not destined for them .
So , what their resolver would return is irrelevant for your local server .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if I mis-type an FQDN hostname in an SSH command, will the DNS resolution request now suceed?
Previously SSH would fail with a "cannot resolve hostname" error or something similar.
Will it now try to connect with SSH to the Comcast "domain helper" servers?
What about its effects on local DNS caching servers (e.g.
dnsmasq)? Yes, yes, and none.
(A local DNS server doesn't contact your ISP's recursive resolver.
They're not doing hijacking of DNS packets not destined for them.
So, what their resolver would return is irrelevant for your local server.
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640915</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640841</id>
	<title>I'm done.  I'll be switching as soon as possible.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247171040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not that this is a really big deal for me.  It's just the straw that broke the camel's back.  I've had all sorts of trouble with Comcast of late, and this just pushed me over the edge.  I've been very, very close ever since they started blocking outbound SMTP connections (yeah, I can and do use the SMTP submission port for sending e-mail, but how am I supposed to monitor my remote SMTP servers from home?).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not that this is a really big deal for me .
It 's just the straw that broke the camel 's back .
I 've had all sorts of trouble with Comcast of late , and this just pushed me over the edge .
I 've been very , very close ever since they started blocking outbound SMTP connections ( yeah , I can and do use the SMTP submission port for sending e-mail , but how am I supposed to monitor my remote SMTP servers from home ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not that this is a really big deal for me.
It's just the straw that broke the camel's back.
I've had all sorts of trouble with Comcast of late, and this just pushed me over the edge.
I've been very, very close ever since they started blocking outbound SMTP connections (yeah, I can and do use the SMTP submission port for sending e-mail, but how am I supposed to monitor my remote SMTP servers from home?
).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645179</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247150280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Another great press release about how it will be helpful and a "service" for users, while the main purpose is just to gather extra advertisement revenue (while breaking internet standards). I mean, this is what malware do. Oh well, atleast these non-us ISP's dont do such dirty acts to their customers here. Time to voice your opinion maybe?</p></div><p>I voiced my opinion, by disconnecting my comcast cable as soon as I had another option available.  The only thing comcastic about their service is how comcastically slow and crippled their service is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another great press release about how it will be helpful and a " service " for users , while the main purpose is just to gather extra advertisement revenue ( while breaking internet standards ) .
I mean , this is what malware do .
Oh well , atleast these non-us ISP 's dont do such dirty acts to their customers here .
Time to voice your opinion maybe ? I voiced my opinion , by disconnecting my comcast cable as soon as I had another option available .
The only thing comcastic about their service is how comcastically slow and crippled their service is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another great press release about how it will be helpful and a "service" for users, while the main purpose is just to gather extra advertisement revenue (while breaking internet standards).
I mean, this is what malware do.
Oh well, atleast these non-us ISP's dont do such dirty acts to their customers here.
Time to voice your opinion maybe?I voiced my opinion, by disconnecting my comcast cable as soon as I had another option available.
The only thing comcastic about their service is how comcastically slow and crippled their service is.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640643</id>
	<title>Re:Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247170260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Some may remember when VeriSign tried this back in 2003, where it also failed.</p></div><p>Oh yeah, way back in the day.</p>  </div><p>Shit.  6 years ago is now "way back in the day"?  I'm even older than I thought.</p><p>So, I guess, get off my lawn.....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some may remember when VeriSign tried this back in 2003 , where it also failed.Oh yeah , way back in the day .
Shit. 6 years ago is now " way back in the day " ?
I 'm even older than I thought.So , I guess , get off my lawn.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some may remember when VeriSign tried this back in 2003, where it also failed.Oh yeah, way back in the day.
Shit.  6 years ago is now "way back in the day"?
I'm even older than I thought.So, I guess, get off my lawn.....
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640165</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642341</id>
	<title>opt-out site is down for me...</title>
	<author>daVinci1980</author>
	<datestamp>1247134380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But at least it's not redirecting me to a page offering me other helpful links.</p><p>Maybe I'm <b>not</b> in one of the test areas. (Austin).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But at least it 's not redirecting me to a page offering me other helpful links.Maybe I 'm not in one of the test areas .
( Austin ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But at least it's not redirecting me to a page offering me other helpful links.Maybe I'm not in one of the test areas.
(Austin).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645513</id>
	<title>at least they mentioned</title>
	<author>nimbius</author>
	<datestamp>1247153160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>something about doing it.  my cable co (insight) decided to do it silently and redirect my faulted queries to advertisements.

simple solution:  run my own fscking DNS server.</htmltext>
<tokenext>something about doing it .
my cable co ( insight ) decided to do it silently and redirect my faulted queries to advertisements .
simple solution : run my own fscking DNS server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>something about doing it.
my cable co (insight) decided to do it silently and redirect my faulted queries to advertisements.
simple solution:  run my own fscking DNS server.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640667</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247170320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't IE already do that by redirecting you to bing.com with a search pattern?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't IE already do that by redirecting you to bing.com with a search pattern ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't IE already do that by redirecting you to bing.com with a search pattern?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640851</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>basementman</author>
	<datestamp>1247171160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is this different from OpenDNS? OpenDNS shows ads if your page can't be found. That said I much prefer my ISPs ad free DNS service to OpenDNS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this different from OpenDNS ?
OpenDNS shows ads if your page ca n't be found .
That said I much prefer my ISPs ad free DNS service to OpenDNS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this different from OpenDNS?
OpenDNS shows ads if your page can't be found.
That said I much prefer my ISPs ad free DNS service to OpenDNS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28643937</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Darknight</author>
	<datestamp>1247141160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, I see the wisdom of your post since you need to use the word "fuck"  multiple times per sentence.  You must be 100\% correct, then.  I salute your logic, sir.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I see the wisdom of your post since you need to use the word " fuck " multiple times per sentence .
You must be 100 \ % correct , then .
I salute your logic , sir .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I see the wisdom of your post since you need to use the word "fuck"  multiple times per sentence.
You must be 100\% correct, then.
I salute your logic, sir.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640715</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645593</id>
	<title>Re:Best DNS alternative w/o redirection?</title>
	<author>Nethead</author>
	<datestamp>1247153880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Verizon use to hand out the 4.2.2.n set on DSL here in NW Washington State a few years ago.  I've used them since thinking they were VZN's.  Nice, easy to remember addy and type that I also use to ping when testing for 'net connection.  If, as stated above, Paul says they are going to lock them down then I'll have to get off my ass and get named running somewhere in the house.</p><p>I use to always like to run my own DNS but after a decade I just went with BlueRazor (godaddy) since I'm paying them for register service anyway and the offer it with the package.  They have NOCternals that take care of problems while I sleep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon use to hand out the 4.2.2.n set on DSL here in NW Washington State a few years ago .
I 've used them since thinking they were VZN 's .
Nice , easy to remember addy and type that I also use to ping when testing for 'net connection .
If , as stated above , Paul says they are going to lock them down then I 'll have to get off my ass and get named running somewhere in the house.I use to always like to run my own DNS but after a decade I just went with BlueRazor ( godaddy ) since I 'm paying them for register service anyway and the offer it with the package .
They have NOCternals that take care of problems while I sleep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon use to hand out the 4.2.2.n set on DSL here in NW Washington State a few years ago.
I've used them since thinking they were VZN's.
Nice, easy to remember addy and type that I also use to ping when testing for 'net connection.
If, as stated above, Paul says they are going to lock them down then I'll have to get off my ass and get named running somewhere in the house.I use to always like to run my own DNS but after a decade I just went with BlueRazor (godaddy) since I'm paying them for register service anyway and the offer it with the package.
They have NOCternals that take care of problems while I sleep.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641899</id>
	<title>Verizon has been doing this as well</title>
	<author>toporok</author>
	<datestamp>1247132400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They call it "search assistant".  Basically if you try to search from address bar or mistype an address it hijacks your search from search provider you selected in your browser and redirects it to its own search page.  "Opting out" does not really work all that well because it get's you to a page that says "oops we can't find what you were looking for" and then gives you a link that takes you to your preferred search provider.  Very annoying to say the least.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</htmltext>
<tokenext>They call it " search assistant " .
Basically if you try to search from address bar or mistype an address it hijacks your search from search provider you selected in your browser and redirects it to its own search page .
" Opting out " does not really work all that well because it get 's you to a page that says " oops we ca n't find what you were looking for " and then gives you a link that takes you to your preferred search provider .
Very annoying to say the least .
: - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They call it "search assistant".
Basically if you try to search from address bar or mistype an address it hijacks your search from search provider you selected in your browser and redirects it to its own search page.
"Opting out" does not really work all that well because it get's you to a page that says "oops we can't find what you were looking for" and then gives you a link that takes you to your preferred search provider.
Very annoying to say the least.
:-(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641755</id>
	<title>Re:Call it what it is</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1247131740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So? Sounds like someone at MCI was thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So ?
Sounds like someone at MCI was thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So?
Sounds like someone at MCI was thinking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640803</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640437</id>
	<title>Problems with this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I speak from the perspective of being a RoadRunner user rather than a Comcast user, but RR implements a similar service. They have a link in the lower right of their results page where you can click to set your preferences and disable the "feature". Except just the other week that preference broke for me, and I was stuck with DNS hijacking. I phoned their customer service line, the person on the other end of the line had absolutely no idea what I was talking about.</p><p>DNS hijacking is a bit like Phorm without profiling really. Well, assuming there is no profiling. If there was profiling they'd make more money from the ads they'll inevitably insert there to "support" the service (Edit: oh look, they already have!). Personally I put this issue, along with Phorm in a whole category of problems related to the fact that we still don't secure and authenticate most of our activities on the internet (http, dns, yadayada). ISPs can do what they like and it's hard to stop them. Third-party DNS services seem to be the way to go recently. Of course without security/authentication your ISP can put a stop to that quite easily too.</p><p>This is all before you get in to the technical details of clients that may implement specific behavior for when bad DNS queries are expected to fail but don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I speak from the perspective of being a RoadRunner user rather than a Comcast user , but RR implements a similar service .
They have a link in the lower right of their results page where you can click to set your preferences and disable the " feature " .
Except just the other week that preference broke for me , and I was stuck with DNS hijacking .
I phoned their customer service line , the person on the other end of the line had absolutely no idea what I was talking about.DNS hijacking is a bit like Phorm without profiling really .
Well , assuming there is no profiling .
If there was profiling they 'd make more money from the ads they 'll inevitably insert there to " support " the service ( Edit : oh look , they already have ! ) .
Personally I put this issue , along with Phorm in a whole category of problems related to the fact that we still do n't secure and authenticate most of our activities on the internet ( http , dns , yadayada ) .
ISPs can do what they like and it 's hard to stop them .
Third-party DNS services seem to be the way to go recently .
Of course without security/authentication your ISP can put a stop to that quite easily too.This is all before you get in to the technical details of clients that may implement specific behavior for when bad DNS queries are expected to fail but do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I speak from the perspective of being a RoadRunner user rather than a Comcast user, but RR implements a similar service.
They have a link in the lower right of their results page where you can click to set your preferences and disable the "feature".
Except just the other week that preference broke for me, and I was stuck with DNS hijacking.
I phoned their customer service line, the person on the other end of the line had absolutely no idea what I was talking about.DNS hijacking is a bit like Phorm without profiling really.
Well, assuming there is no profiling.
If there was profiling they'd make more money from the ads they'll inevitably insert there to "support" the service (Edit: oh look, they already have!).
Personally I put this issue, along with Phorm in a whole category of problems related to the fact that we still don't secure and authenticate most of our activities on the internet (http, dns, yadayada).
ISPs can do what they like and it's hard to stop them.
Third-party DNS services seem to be the way to go recently.
Of course without security/authentication your ISP can put a stop to that quite easily too.This is all before you get in to the technical details of clients that may implement specific behavior for when bad DNS queries are expected to fail but don't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641157</id>
	<title>Re:Call it what it is</title>
	<author>swb</author>
	<datestamp>1247172240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't some third party long distance providers create services called "Whatver" and "You Choose" and "I don't care", so that when people were asked for a carrier and said those things they actually got a carrier with that name (who also charged $.25/minute)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't some third party long distance providers create services called " Whatver " and " You Choose " and " I do n't care " , so that when people were asked for a carrier and said those things they actually got a carrier with that name ( who also charged $ .25/minute ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't some third party long distance providers create services called "Whatver" and "You Choose" and "I don't care", so that when people were asked for a carrier and said those things they actually got a carrier with that name (who also charged $.25/minute)?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640803</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640975</id>
	<title>Because...</title>
	<author>mario\_grgic</author>
	<datestamp>1247171640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>with open DNS you get the same thing, unless you open an account with them, in which case you also share your browsing preferences with them.</p><p>Another, important reason is that at least in my case the open DNS query response times are 3 times slower than with my ISP.</p><p>And my ISP (Rogers) does have an alternate DNS server (for those who care enough to change it) that does not poison DNS results.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>with open DNS you get the same thing , unless you open an account with them , in which case you also share your browsing preferences with them.Another , important reason is that at least in my case the open DNS query response times are 3 times slower than with my ISP.And my ISP ( Rogers ) does have an alternate DNS server ( for those who care enough to change it ) that does not poison DNS results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with open DNS you get the same thing, unless you open an account with them, in which case you also share your browsing preferences with them.Another, important reason is that at least in my case the open DNS query response times are 3 times slower than with my ISP.And my ISP (Rogers) does have an alternate DNS server (for those who care enough to change it) that does not poison DNS results.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640251</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640527</id>
	<title>Re:Best DNS alternative w/o redirection?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Run your own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Run your own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Run your own.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640315</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642079</id>
	<title>Re:Lots have failed, but some have succeeded</title>
	<author>darkuncle</author>
	<datestamp>1247133240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Verizon does it (new FiOS customer; love my FiOS, but run my own DNS for this reason primarily (and because I want split-horizon). If they start intercepting port 53 outbound, we're all SOL until DNSSEC becomes ubiquitous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon does it ( new FiOS customer ; love my FiOS , but run my own DNS for this reason primarily ( and because I want split-horizon ) .
If they start intercepting port 53 outbound , we 're all SOL until DNSSEC becomes ubiquitous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon does it (new FiOS customer; love my FiOS, but run my own DNS for this reason primarily (and because I want split-horizon).
If they start intercepting port 53 outbound, we're all SOL until DNSSEC becomes ubiquitous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640535</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640829</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247170980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you kidding, or do you work for OpenDNS?</p><p>Because I switched to OpenDNS <em>because</em> of people (you?) mentioning it here on Slashdot.</p><p>And then I noticed, that OpenDNS <em>also</em> does DNS redirection!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you kidding , or do you work for OpenDNS ? Because I switched to OpenDNS because of people ( you ?
) mentioning it here on Slashdot.And then I noticed , that OpenDNS also does DNS redirection !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you kidding, or do you work for OpenDNS?Because I switched to OpenDNS because of people (you?
) mentioning it here on Slashdot.And then I noticed, that OpenDNS also does DNS redirection!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640251</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644465</id>
	<title>Re:What about non-HTTP?</title>
	<author>Phroggy</author>
	<datestamp>1247144160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pay close attention to the security warning your SSH client gives you the first time you try to connect.  It's usually safe to assume that your session isn't being hijacked the first time you connect, but if you ever see that warning again, double-check the hostname you entered, and if you haven't obviously done something silly, it's time to make a phone call.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pay close attention to the security warning your SSH client gives you the first time you try to connect .
It 's usually safe to assume that your session is n't being hijacked the first time you connect , but if you ever see that warning again , double-check the hostname you entered , and if you have n't obviously done something silly , it 's time to make a phone call .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pay close attention to the security warning your SSH client gives you the first time you try to connect.
It's usually safe to assume that your session isn't being hijacked the first time you connect, but if you ever see that warning again, double-check the hostname you entered, and if you haven't obviously done something silly, it's time to make a phone call.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640915</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640907</id>
	<title>I hate their tech support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247171340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>https://dns-opt-out.comcast.net/</p><p>That is where you go to opt out.  I called tech support and no one even new what I was talking about until I directed them to their own announcement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>https : //dns-opt-out.comcast.net/That is where you go to opt out .
I called tech support and no one even new what I was talking about until I directed them to their own announcement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>https://dns-opt-out.comcast.net/That is where you go to opt out.
I called tech support and no one even new what I was talking about until I directed them to their own announcement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640871</id>
	<title>Not the same at all.</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1247171280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Some may remember when VeriSign tried this back in 2003, where it also failed.</p><p>Not the same at all.  VeriSign tried to do it with the TLD servers, which nobody can avoid.  These guys are just doing it with their own servers, which you can bypass unless they block you.  Even if they do you can, at least in theory, switch ISPs.  They aren't likely to bother with blocking, though, because the number of people who will bypass is tiny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Some may remember when VeriSign tried this back in 2003 , where it also failed.Not the same at all .
VeriSign tried to do it with the TLD servers , which nobody can avoid .
These guys are just doing it with their own servers , which you can bypass unless they block you .
Even if they do you can , at least in theory , switch ISPs .
They are n't likely to bother with blocking , though , because the number of people who will bypass is tiny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Some may remember when VeriSign tried this back in 2003, where it also failed.Not the same at all.
VeriSign tried to do it with the TLD servers, which nobody can avoid.
These guys are just doing it with their own servers, which you can bypass unless they block you.
Even if they do you can, at least in theory, switch ISPs.
They aren't likely to bother with blocking, though, because the number of people who will bypass is tiny.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640195</id>
	<title>Time Warner does it in Dallas</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247168580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Getting redirected to some spam 'search' site makes me so fucking angry.</p><p>I wish there was real competition in cable/internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Getting redirected to some spam 'search ' site makes me so fucking angry.I wish there was real competition in cable/internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Getting redirected to some spam 'search' site makes me so fucking angry.I wish there was real competition in cable/internet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640685</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>nvrrobx</author>
	<datestamp>1247170380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except OpenDNS does the same thing.<br><br>I use OpenDNS at home, and they redirect to a search page when you mistype a URL.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except OpenDNS does the same thing.I use OpenDNS at home , and they redirect to a search page when you mistype a URL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except OpenDNS does the same thing.I use OpenDNS at home, and they redirect to a search page when you mistype a URL.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640251</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641005</id>
	<title>Re:Call it what it is</title>
	<author>typosquatting</author>
	<datestamp>1247171760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Totally agreed - it is absolutely typosquatting on a massive scale.

<br> <br>Many people don't realize that there's TONS of traffic going to typo domains (whether registered or not).  For instance, <a href="http://youtuve.com/" title="youtuve.com" rel="nofollow">youtuve.com</a> [youtuve.com] (notice the v instead of the b) got 358,751 visitors over the last 31 days.  It redirects to another domain for cloaking purposes, but here is the <a href="http://www.sedo.com/search/details.php4?domain=technition.com&amp;partnerid=14460&amp;language=e&amp;et\_cid=25&amp;et\_lid=65" title="sedo.com" rel="nofollow">traffic report</a> [sedo.com].  This level of traffic provides the financial incentive to implement these DNS schemes.

<br> <br>By the way, there's a new, free <a href="http://www.aliasencore.com/" title="aliasencore.com" rel="nofollow">typosquatting</a> [aliasencore.com] scan tool at aliasencore.com. It shows you all the registered<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.COM domain names that are one character misspellings of any Alexa top 100,000 site you enter. It also displays screenshots of those typosquatting sites. It's a nifty way to get a quick idea of the rampant growth of typosquatting. Here's an example that shows the 431 registered<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.COM domain names that are one character away from <a href="http://aliasencore.com/typosquatting-scan?fd=1&amp;dn=google.com" title="aliasencore.com" rel="nofollow">google.com</a> [aliasencore.com].

<br> <br>Full disclosure: I am Graham MacRobie, the CEO of Alias Encore, Inc. We help companies recover cybersquatting domain names, but we focus solely on "slam-dunk" typosquatting cases (obviously only registered domain names).  I can speak from personal experience in this field that the very last thing we need is wholesale typosquatting at the DNS level.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Totally agreed - it is absolutely typosquatting on a massive scale .
Many people do n't realize that there 's TONS of traffic going to typo domains ( whether registered or not ) .
For instance , youtuve.com [ youtuve.com ] ( notice the v instead of the b ) got 358,751 visitors over the last 31 days .
It redirects to another domain for cloaking purposes , but here is the traffic report [ sedo.com ] .
This level of traffic provides the financial incentive to implement these DNS schemes .
By the way , there 's a new , free typosquatting [ aliasencore.com ] scan tool at aliasencore.com .
It shows you all the registered .COM domain names that are one character misspellings of any Alexa top 100,000 site you enter .
It also displays screenshots of those typosquatting sites .
It 's a nifty way to get a quick idea of the rampant growth of typosquatting .
Here 's an example that shows the 431 registered .COM domain names that are one character away from google.com [ aliasencore.com ] .
Full disclosure : I am Graham MacRobie , the CEO of Alias Encore , Inc. We help companies recover cybersquatting domain names , but we focus solely on " slam-dunk " typosquatting cases ( obviously only registered domain names ) .
I can speak from personal experience in this field that the very last thing we need is wholesale typosquatting at the DNS level .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Totally agreed - it is absolutely typosquatting on a massive scale.
Many people don't realize that there's TONS of traffic going to typo domains (whether registered or not).
For instance, youtuve.com [youtuve.com] (notice the v instead of the b) got 358,751 visitors over the last 31 days.
It redirects to another domain for cloaking purposes, but here is the traffic report [sedo.com].
This level of traffic provides the financial incentive to implement these DNS schemes.
By the way, there's a new, free typosquatting [aliasencore.com] scan tool at aliasencore.com.
It shows you all the registered .COM domain names that are one character misspellings of any Alexa top 100,000 site you enter.
It also displays screenshots of those typosquatting sites.
It's a nifty way to get a quick idea of the rampant growth of typosquatting.
Here's an example that shows the 431 registered .COM domain names that are one character away from google.com [aliasencore.com].
Full disclosure: I am Graham MacRobie, the CEO of Alias Encore, Inc. We help companies recover cybersquatting domain names, but we focus solely on "slam-dunk" typosquatting cases (obviously only registered domain names).
I can speak from personal experience in this field that the very last thing we need is wholesale typosquatting at the DNS level.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641673</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247131320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that, but OpenDNS will even hijack Firefox's Google keyword searches!  I don't trust that company one bit.  I use my laptop in a lot of different places (friends, relatives), so I've given up on the whole DNS whack-a-mole and have begun using <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/11787" title="mozilla.org" rel="nofollow">NoRedirect</a> [mozilla.org] instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but OpenDNS will even hijack Firefox 's Google keyword searches !
I do n't trust that company one bit .
I use my laptop in a lot of different places ( friends , relatives ) , so I 've given up on the whole DNS whack-a-mole and have begun using NoRedirect [ mozilla.org ] instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but OpenDNS will even hijack Firefox's Google keyword searches!
I don't trust that company one bit.
I use my laptop in a lot of different places (friends, relatives), so I've given up on the whole DNS whack-a-mole and have begun using NoRedirect [mozilla.org] instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640723</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640695</id>
	<title>Cablevision</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247170440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cablevision already does this in the Northeast US.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cablevision already does this in the Northeast US .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cablevision already does this in the Northeast US.
:(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642519</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247135040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They at least give you a service in exchange.  It doesn't look like Comcast does.  I work in a small office and have everyone using OpenDNS because I was tired of TWC crapping out on me and I can filter (for free) stuff I don't want my people looking at.</p><p>I don't have a very restrictive setup, but it's nice to have a free, easy to use, hard for people to get around, not installed on the local client, way to block p0rn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They at least give you a service in exchange .
It does n't look like Comcast does .
I work in a small office and have everyone using OpenDNS because I was tired of TWC crapping out on me and I can filter ( for free ) stuff I do n't want my people looking at.I do n't have a very restrictive setup , but it 's nice to have a free , easy to use , hard for people to get around , not installed on the local client , way to block p0rn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They at least give you a service in exchange.
It doesn't look like Comcast does.
I work in a small office and have everyone using OpenDNS because I was tired of TWC crapping out on me and I can filter (for free) stuff I don't want my people looking at.I don't have a very restrictive setup, but it's nice to have a free, easy to use, hard for people to get around, not installed on the local client, way to block p0rn.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640967</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640703</id>
	<title>Re:Best DNS alternative w/o redirection?</title>
	<author>sakti</author>
	<datestamp>1247170440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use Level3's anycast dns resolvers. They are fast and work great. Pair them with a local dns cache and you'll be golden.</p><p>4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.2, 4.2.2.3, 4.2.2.4, 4.2.2.5, 4.2.2.6</p><p>In case you don't know about anycast.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use Level3 's anycast dns resolvers .
They are fast and work great .
Pair them with a local dns cache and you 'll be golden.4.2.2.1 , 4.2.2.2 , 4.2.2.3 , 4.2.2.4 , 4.2.2.5 , 4.2.2.6In case you do n't know about anycast.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use Level3's anycast dns resolvers.
They are fast and work great.
Pair them with a local dns cache and you'll be golden.4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.2, 4.2.2.3, 4.2.2.4, 4.2.2.5, 4.2.2.6In case you don't know about anycast.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anycast [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640315</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640375</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't you have a mass mail marketing webinar to attend somewhere? Get lost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you have a mass mail marketing webinar to attend somewhere ?
Get lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you have a mass mail marketing webinar to attend somewhere?
Get lost.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645643</id>
	<title>Re:Best DNS alternative w/o redirection?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247154300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These are the same numbers I get on my router from Verizon DSL. I didn't know they belonged to someone else!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These are the same numbers I get on my router from Verizon DSL .
I did n't know they belonged to someone else !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These are the same numbers I get on my router from Verizon DSL.
I didn't know they belonged to someone else!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642529</id>
	<title>You Are Correct, Sir!</title>
	<author>tunapez</author>
	<datestamp>1247135040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless we're being pedantic, then you are mistaken, they've been doing it for a couple of years now.</p><p>The opt-out DNS settings are available, if you you can find them on that horribly counter-intuitive site.<br>Here's they are:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *  68.105.28.13<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; *  68.105.29.13</p><p>Don't believe this internet forum troll? No worries, I wouldn't either. Google them and see!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless we 're being pedantic , then you are mistaken , they 've been doing it for a couple of years now.The opt-out DNS settings are available , if you you can find them on that horribly counter-intuitive site.Here 's they are :         * 68.105.28.13         * 68.105.29.13Do n't believe this internet forum troll ?
No worries , I would n't either .
Google them and see !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless we're being pedantic, then you are mistaken, they've been doing it for a couple of years now.The opt-out DNS settings are available, if you you can find them on that horribly counter-intuitive site.Here's they are:
        *  68.105.28.13
        *  68.105.29.13Don't believe this internet forum troll?
No worries, I wouldn't either.
Google them and see!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640447</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640465</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenDNS does exactly the same. (unless you register account and change it, but thats the case with this comcast thingie aswell)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenDNS does exactly the same .
( unless you register account and change it , but thats the case with this comcast thingie aswell )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenDNS does exactly the same.
(unless you register account and change it, but thats the case with this comcast thingie aswell)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640251</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641277</id>
	<title>Re:Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>woddfellow2</author>
	<datestamp>1247172780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I never experienced that with Cox Communications.

They must not have done that in Tulsa...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I never experienced that with Cox Communications .
They must not have done that in Tulsa.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never experienced that with Cox Communications.
They must not have done that in Tulsa...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640447</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641783</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247131860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really?  I've used OpenDNS for over 2 years now, and while yes they do display ads on some bad url typings, I have yet to have any request to google redirected to OpenDNS servers.  I have google as my home page.  Google is the only search engine I use.  I have no issues whatsoever with that happening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
I 've used OpenDNS for over 2 years now , and while yes they do display ads on some bad url typings , I have yet to have any request to google redirected to OpenDNS servers .
I have google as my home page .
Google is the only search engine I use .
I have no issues whatsoever with that happening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
I've used OpenDNS for over 2 years now, and while yes they do display ads on some bad url typings, I have yet to have any request to google redirected to OpenDNS servers.
I have google as my home page.
Google is the only search engine I use.
I have no issues whatsoever with that happening.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640967</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28646737</id>
	<title>DNS servers</title>
	<author>asdfndsagse</author>
	<datestamp>1247257920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>level3 runs 4.2.2.3 4.2.2.4 4.2.2.5</p><p>No funny stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>level3 runs 4.2.2.3 4.2.2.4 4.2.2.5No funny stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>level3 runs 4.2.2.3 4.2.2.4 4.2.2.5No funny stuff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640851</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640791</id>
	<title>Re:Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247170860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe my Verizon DSL service does this. It can be disabled either by changing your computer DNS settings or modem settings depending on which modem you use.</p><p><a href="http://netservices.verizon.net/portal/link/help/item?linkflag=guestsso\_fios\_primary\_east\_undecided\_consumer&amp;case=dns\_assist" title="verizon.net">Verizon Support - Opting out of DNS assistance</a> [verizon.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe my Verizon DSL service does this .
It can be disabled either by changing your computer DNS settings or modem settings depending on which modem you use.Verizon Support - Opting out of DNS assistance [ verizon.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe my Verizon DSL service does this.
It can be disabled either by changing your computer DNS settings or modem settings depending on which modem you use.Verizon Support - Opting out of DNS assistance [verizon.net]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640165</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645065</id>
	<title>this is why comcast sucks balls</title>
	<author>DragonTHC</author>
	<datestamp>1247149140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>my service had a huge interruption for about 3 days.  I had to switch to a third-party DNS server to be able to even use my service.</p><p>Any word from comcast about this?  nope.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>my service had a huge interruption for about 3 days .
I had to switch to a third-party DNS server to be able to even use my service.Any word from comcast about this ?
nope .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my service had a huge interruption for about 3 days.
I had to switch to a third-party DNS server to be able to even use my service.Any word from comcast about this?
nope.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640935</id>
	<title>Oblig.</title>
	<author>blackfrancis75</author>
	<datestamp>1247171520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been a Comcast customer for HERBAL VIAGRA several years and have never had an issue with unsolicited REAL WEIGHT LOSS advertising of any kind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been a Comcast customer for HERBAL VIAGRA several years and have never had an issue with unsolicited REAL WEIGHT LOSS advertising of any kind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been a Comcast customer for HERBAL VIAGRA several years and have never had an issue with unsolicited REAL WEIGHT LOSS advertising of any kind.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640417</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>hobot</author>
	<datestamp>1247169420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, because a GUI suggesting sites is what I was trying to go to in the first place!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , because a GUI suggesting sites is what I was trying to go to in the first place !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, because a GUI suggesting sites is what I was trying to go to in the first place!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641111</id>
	<title>Re:I just signed up the competition...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247172120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T is 'trialing' capping in some areas.  So you may still have a cap.</p><p><a href="http://stopthecap.com/category/providers/att-dsl-fios/" title="stopthecap.com" rel="nofollow">http://stopthecap.com/category/providers/att-dsl-fios/</a> [stopthecap.com]<br><a href="http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/25/beaumont-area-att-customer-gets-himself-exempted-from-internet-overcharging-can-you/" title="stopthecap.com" rel="nofollow">http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/25/beaumont-area-att-customer-gets-himself-exempted-from-internet-overcharging-can-you/</a> [stopthecap.com]</p><p>I urge others to tell everyone that a duopoly in many areas is not acceptable.  The providers of the service need to be separated from the providers of the cable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T is 'trialing ' capping in some areas .
So you may still have a cap.http : //stopthecap.com/category/providers/att-dsl-fios/ [ stopthecap.com ] http : //stopthecap.com/2009/06/25/beaumont-area-att-customer-gets-himself-exempted-from-internet-overcharging-can-you/ [ stopthecap.com ] I urge others to tell everyone that a duopoly in many areas is not acceptable .
The providers of the service need to be separated from the providers of the cable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T is 'trialing' capping in some areas.
So you may still have a cap.http://stopthecap.com/category/providers/att-dsl-fios/ [stopthecap.com]http://stopthecap.com/2009/06/25/beaumont-area-att-customer-gets-himself-exempted-from-internet-overcharging-can-you/ [stopthecap.com]I urge others to tell everyone that a duopoly in many areas is not acceptable.
The providers of the service need to be separated from the providers of the cable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640345</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645939</id>
	<title>Non-HTTP Error?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247160060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of the criticism about this system relates to how they would not get the appropriate hostname resolution failure.</p><p>Could the server that runs these "Domain Helper" webservices detect that a connection is not attempting to get http data and send a resolution failure? How many applications would actually not be able to understand that failure arriving after a successful DNS resolution?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of the criticism about this system relates to how they would not get the appropriate hostname resolution failure.Could the server that runs these " Domain Helper " webservices detect that a connection is not attempting to get http data and send a resolution failure ?
How many applications would actually not be able to understand that failure arriving after a successful DNS resolution ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of the criticism about this system relates to how they would not get the appropriate hostname resolution failure.Could the server that runs these "Domain Helper" webservices detect that a connection is not attempting to get http data and send a resolution failure?
How many applications would actually not be able to understand that failure arriving after a successful DNS resolution?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640359</id>
	<title>Re:Call it what it is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Totally agree....  corporate chumps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Totally agree.... corporate chumps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Totally agree....  corporate chumps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28649303</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>rajkiran\_g</author>
	<datestamp>1247238840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here it is:<br><a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/06/09/1731238" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/06/09/1731238</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here it is : http : //tech.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 09/06/09/1731238 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here it is:http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/06/09/1731238 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28646237</id>
	<title>Re:SICK of COMCAST</title>
	<author>dickens</author>
	<datestamp>1247164380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The TV service sucks.  The price creeps up and up and up and up with nothing added and it takes 3-5 seconds to change from one channel to the next.  The Music choice channels sometimes don't work for days because of obvious bandwidth starvation.</p><p>But the Internet never "resets" as far as I can tell.  The burst speed is something silly.. I just got 30.72 Mbps in a test.  Solid sustained download speeds of 8 Mbps and 1.5 M up.  I don't think it's been down since the ice storm in December.  And neither has my Pentium 120 router.</p><p>This DNS thing can't be good, though.  I wonder what would happen if I crank up a djb/dnscache and my network starts emitting only non-recursive queries to specific servers.   Hmm.. this won't take long to test.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The TV service sucks .
The price creeps up and up and up and up with nothing added and it takes 3-5 seconds to change from one channel to the next .
The Music choice channels sometimes do n't work for days because of obvious bandwidth starvation.But the Internet never " resets " as far as I can tell .
The burst speed is something silly.. I just got 30.72 Mbps in a test .
Solid sustained download speeds of 8 Mbps and 1.5 M up .
I do n't think it 's been down since the ice storm in December .
And neither has my Pentium 120 router.This DNS thing ca n't be good , though .
I wonder what would happen if I crank up a djb/dnscache and my network starts emitting only non-recursive queries to specific servers .
Hmm.. this wo n't take long to test .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The TV service sucks.
The price creeps up and up and up and up with nothing added and it takes 3-5 seconds to change from one channel to the next.
The Music choice channels sometimes don't work for days because of obvious bandwidth starvation.But the Internet never "resets" as far as I can tell.
The burst speed is something silly.. I just got 30.72 Mbps in a test.
Solid sustained download speeds of 8 Mbps and 1.5 M up.
I don't think it's been down since the ice storm in December.
And neither has my Pentium 120 router.This DNS thing can't be good, though.
I wonder what would happen if I crank up a djb/dnscache and my network starts emitting only non-recursive queries to specific servers.
Hmm.. this won't take long to test.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641539</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640415</id>
	<title>The future.. or THE FUTURE?</title>
	<author>synthesizerpatel</author>
	<datestamp>1247169360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's COM^H^H^HCRAPTASTIC!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's COM ^ H ^ H ^ HCRAPTASTIC !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's COM^H^H^HCRAPTASTIC!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640345</id>
	<title>I just signed up the competition...</title>
	<author>GPLDAN</author>
	<datestamp>1247169180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was *MUCH* easier for me to sign up for basic TV + internet with Comcast than what I ended up doing. I wanted to keep everything at the magic $100/mo. number, so I went with AT&amp;T - DirecTV partnership, where they give you DSL and a dish and DVR, and put it all on one bill. My DSL is 3Mb down/768kb up, where a Speakeasy test at my neighbor showed almost 12Mb down and nearly a full meg up. When he asked "why would you choose that?" - my answer was simple: Comcast.<br> <br>
AT&amp;T doesn't touch my bandwidth. They don't cap it, they don't filter it - they aren't keeping a database of my URL lookups. That's worth a great deal to me - and Comcast will never get my business. I urge everyone else to do the same, even if it is some other DSL provider or dish provider.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was * MUCH * easier for me to sign up for basic TV + internet with Comcast than what I ended up doing .
I wanted to keep everything at the magic $ 100/mo .
number , so I went with AT&amp;T - DirecTV partnership , where they give you DSL and a dish and DVR , and put it all on one bill .
My DSL is 3Mb down/768kb up , where a Speakeasy test at my neighbor showed almost 12Mb down and nearly a full meg up .
When he asked " why would you choose that ?
" - my answer was simple : Comcast .
AT&amp;T does n't touch my bandwidth .
They do n't cap it , they do n't filter it - they are n't keeping a database of my URL lookups .
That 's worth a great deal to me - and Comcast will never get my business .
I urge everyone else to do the same , even if it is some other DSL provider or dish provider .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was *MUCH* easier for me to sign up for basic TV + internet with Comcast than what I ended up doing.
I wanted to keep everything at the magic $100/mo.
number, so I went with AT&amp;T - DirecTV partnership, where they give you DSL and a dish and DVR, and put it all on one bill.
My DSL is 3Mb down/768kb up, where a Speakeasy test at my neighbor showed almost 12Mb down and nearly a full meg up.
When he asked "why would you choose that?
" - my answer was simple: Comcast.
AT&amp;T doesn't touch my bandwidth.
They don't cap it, they don't filter it - they aren't keeping a database of my URL lookups.
That's worth a great deal to me - and Comcast will never get my business.
I urge everyone else to do the same, even if it is some other DSL provider or dish provider.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642045</id>
	<title>Re:What about non-HTTP?</title>
	<author>emlyncorrin</author>
	<datestamp>1247133120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What about its effects on local DNS caching servers (e.g. dnsmasq)?</p></div><p>If you run dnsmasq, and you know the ip addresses of the domain helpers, you can work around this with the bogus-nxdomain config option.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about its effects on local DNS caching servers ( e.g .
dnsmasq ) ? If you run dnsmasq , and you know the ip addresses of the domain helpers , you can work around this with the bogus-nxdomain config option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about its effects on local DNS caching servers (e.g.
dnsmasq)?If you run dnsmasq, and you know the ip addresses of the domain helpers, you can work around this with the bogus-nxdomain config option.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640915</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641827</id>
	<title>Re:Bad assumption being made</title>
	<author>FranTaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1247132100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure Comcast has it within their power to put perfectly valid, signed server certificates on their servers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure Comcast has it within their power to put perfectly valid , signed server certificates on their servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure Comcast has it within their power to put perfectly valid, signed server certificates on their servers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641079</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641301</id>
	<title>DNS servers ignored</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247172900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At most ISPs, DNS servers were ignored 10 years at a time. Over that time, they became crufty and slow.  The people who set them up in the mid 1990s retired or left.</p><p>Then last year, someone found a bug in DNS, not that there weren't bugs before, but a bug that got all of geekdom panties into a collective "wad."  Nerds wrote tools and web sites to "check your DNS" to see if it was corrected or not.  ISPs had to actually spend money and time on their DNS servers. This made them unhappy and the business people inside the ISP even more unhappy.  See they'd already been successful at turning off FTP, gopher, and Usenet servers - nobody really complained.</p><p>They need a way to have DNS actually make money.  A little change to DNS shouldn't bother anyone, right?  Business people deciding to change anything about a 25+ yr old network protocol that is central to the internet is a bad idea.</p><p>If ISPs are looking for a real value-add service, why not sell 2-tiers of internet access with "unlimited" being the cheaper, default and "Family Friendly" being the more expensive, no porn, no spyware, no spam, no teenager hacker, no violence version of access?  Most parents aren't capable of securing their systems against both outside and teenager inside attacks. This would be a truly appreciated solution in many homes, I'm certain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At most ISPs , DNS servers were ignored 10 years at a time .
Over that time , they became crufty and slow .
The people who set them up in the mid 1990s retired or left.Then last year , someone found a bug in DNS , not that there were n't bugs before , but a bug that got all of geekdom panties into a collective " wad .
" Nerds wrote tools and web sites to " check your DNS " to see if it was corrected or not .
ISPs had to actually spend money and time on their DNS servers .
This made them unhappy and the business people inside the ISP even more unhappy .
See they 'd already been successful at turning off FTP , gopher , and Usenet servers - nobody really complained.They need a way to have DNS actually make money .
A little change to DNS should n't bother anyone , right ?
Business people deciding to change anything about a 25 + yr old network protocol that is central to the internet is a bad idea.If ISPs are looking for a real value-add service , why not sell 2-tiers of internet access with " unlimited " being the cheaper , default and " Family Friendly " being the more expensive , no porn , no spyware , no spam , no teenager hacker , no violence version of access ?
Most parents are n't capable of securing their systems against both outside and teenager inside attacks .
This would be a truly appreciated solution in many homes , I 'm certain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At most ISPs, DNS servers were ignored 10 years at a time.
Over that time, they became crufty and slow.
The people who set them up in the mid 1990s retired or left.Then last year, someone found a bug in DNS, not that there weren't bugs before, but a bug that got all of geekdom panties into a collective "wad.
"  Nerds wrote tools and web sites to "check your DNS" to see if it was corrected or not.
ISPs had to actually spend money and time on their DNS servers.
This made them unhappy and the business people inside the ISP even more unhappy.
See they'd already been successful at turning off FTP, gopher, and Usenet servers - nobody really complained.They need a way to have DNS actually make money.
A little change to DNS shouldn't bother anyone, right?
Business people deciding to change anything about a 25+ yr old network protocol that is central to the internet is a bad idea.If ISPs are looking for a real value-add service, why not sell 2-tiers of internet access with "unlimited" being the cheaper, default and "Family Friendly" being the more expensive, no porn, no spyware, no spam, no teenager hacker, no violence version of access?
Most parents aren't capable of securing their systems against both outside and teenager inside attacks.
This would be a truly appreciated solution in many homes, I'm certain.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641679</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>Ardx</author>
	<datestamp>1247131320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I found the press release quite valuable. Being in Oregon, it notified me (seeing as the bstards didn't in email) what they were doing so I could immediately go opt-out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I found the press release quite valuable .
Being in Oregon , it notified me ( seeing as the bstards did n't in email ) what they were doing so I could immediately go opt-out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found the press release quite valuable.
Being in Oregon, it notified me (seeing as the bstards didn't in email) what they were doing so I could immediately go opt-out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640251</id>
	<title>So should...</title>
	<author>Seakip18</author>
	<datestamp>1247168760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone go to opendns <a href="https://www.opendns.com/start/" title="opendns.com" rel="nofollow">here</a> [opendns.com] and avoid this all together?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone go to opendns here [ opendns.com ] and avoid this all together ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone go to opendns here [opendns.com] and avoid this all together?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640989</id>
	<title>Re:I just signed up the competition...</title>
	<author>tekproxy2</author>
	<datestamp>1247171700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>AT&amp;T Caps my bandwidth. They charged me an extra 20 dollars a few months ago for going over the limit. I buy their "ultra mega super elite" DSL service and upload an average of 40kb a second every second of every month. They sent me an e-mail notifying me about this wonderful little change to my AT&amp;T e-mail address which no one fucking uses. I first saw the change on the bill. Thanks AT&amp;T.</htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T Caps my bandwidth .
They charged me an extra 20 dollars a few months ago for going over the limit .
I buy their " ultra mega super elite " DSL service and upload an average of 40kb a second every second of every month .
They sent me an e-mail notifying me about this wonderful little change to my AT&amp;T e-mail address which no one fucking uses .
I first saw the change on the bill .
Thanks AT&amp;T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T Caps my bandwidth.
They charged me an extra 20 dollars a few months ago for going over the limit.
I buy their "ultra mega super elite" DSL service and upload an average of 40kb a second every second of every month.
They sent me an e-mail notifying me about this wonderful little change to my AT&amp;T e-mail address which no one fucking uses.
I first saw the change on the bill.
Thanks AT&amp;T.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640345</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641665</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>jtownatpunk.net</author>
	<datestamp>1247131260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, it's exactly the same thing.  Except opendns is very clear about what they're doing and any computer or network using opendns must explicity configure their system to use the opends servers.  Heck, I'm looking at an opendns redirect right now.  It's hard to miss the big opendns logo.  And the "Why am I here?" link.  And the "did you mean" links.  Yeah.  Exactly the same "dirty trick".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it 's exactly the same thing .
Except opendns is very clear about what they 're doing and any computer or network using opendns must explicity configure their system to use the opends servers .
Heck , I 'm looking at an opendns redirect right now .
It 's hard to miss the big opendns logo .
And the " Why am I here ?
" link .
And the " did you mean " links .
Yeah. Exactly the same " dirty trick " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, it's exactly the same thing.
Except opendns is very clear about what they're doing and any computer or network using opendns must explicity configure their system to use the opends servers.
Heck, I'm looking at an opendns redirect right now.
It's hard to miss the big opendns logo.
And the "Why am I here?
" link.
And the "did you mean" links.
Yeah.  Exactly the same "dirty trick".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640967</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641881</id>
	<title>I would find this acceptable if ...</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1247132340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... in addition to their modem MAC based opt-out mechanism, they:</p><ol>
<li>Provide alternative DNS cache servers that users can manually configure to bypass the redirection DNS cache servers.  Support for this service can be limited to only informing the customer of the IP addresses of these DNS cache servers, such as on the tech support web page that tells customers how to opt-out.  They do NOT have to support users on how to deploy this type of change.</li><li>Do NOT interfere with DNS queries sent to other DNS servers, whether with or without the recurse flag in the request.  This is so that a user can run their own DNS cache server either on an internal network, or access a DNS cache server elsewhere on the internet (their own remote server, or a DNS caching/resolving service), without the need to set up a secure tunnel.</li><li>Do NOT interfere with any form of secure tunnel or other VLAN.</li><li>Do NOT intercept any UDP traffic, or TCP connections, or SCTP sessions, unless those are directed specifically to the provider's servers or services.  For example the provider may offer HTTP caching services, media stream multipliers, IRC servers, etc., but must not affect users that want to bypass those services.  ONE EXCEPTION: connections made to port 25 outside the provider's network SHOULD be intercepted unless the customer makes a "knowledgeable opt-out request" (for example, mentions "SMTP").</li><li>Do NOT do any other evil activity I don't have time to think about right now.</li></ol><p>Anyone that knows what they are doing, or finds out via information from some source (the provider not being obligated to supply this information), should be able to use the internet exactly as it was originally intended.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... in addition to their modem MAC based opt-out mechanism , they : Provide alternative DNS cache servers that users can manually configure to bypass the redirection DNS cache servers .
Support for this service can be limited to only informing the customer of the IP addresses of these DNS cache servers , such as on the tech support web page that tells customers how to opt-out .
They do NOT have to support users on how to deploy this type of change.Do NOT interfere with DNS queries sent to other DNS servers , whether with or without the recurse flag in the request .
This is so that a user can run their own DNS cache server either on an internal network , or access a DNS cache server elsewhere on the internet ( their own remote server , or a DNS caching/resolving service ) , without the need to set up a secure tunnel.Do NOT interfere with any form of secure tunnel or other VLAN.Do NOT intercept any UDP traffic , or TCP connections , or SCTP sessions , unless those are directed specifically to the provider 's servers or services .
For example the provider may offer HTTP caching services , media stream multipliers , IRC servers , etc. , but must not affect users that want to bypass those services .
ONE EXCEPTION : connections made to port 25 outside the provider 's network SHOULD be intercepted unless the customer makes a " knowledgeable opt-out request " ( for example , mentions " SMTP " ) .Do NOT do any other evil activity I do n't have time to think about right now.Anyone that knows what they are doing , or finds out via information from some source ( the provider not being obligated to supply this information ) , should be able to use the internet exactly as it was originally intended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... in addition to their modem MAC based opt-out mechanism, they:
Provide alternative DNS cache servers that users can manually configure to bypass the redirection DNS cache servers.
Support for this service can be limited to only informing the customer of the IP addresses of these DNS cache servers, such as on the tech support web page that tells customers how to opt-out.
They do NOT have to support users on how to deploy this type of change.Do NOT interfere with DNS queries sent to other DNS servers, whether with or without the recurse flag in the request.
This is so that a user can run their own DNS cache server either on an internal network, or access a DNS cache server elsewhere on the internet (their own remote server, or a DNS caching/resolving service), without the need to set up a secure tunnel.Do NOT interfere with any form of secure tunnel or other VLAN.Do NOT intercept any UDP traffic, or TCP connections, or SCTP sessions, unless those are directed specifically to the provider's servers or services.
For example the provider may offer HTTP caching services, media stream multipliers, IRC servers, etc., but must not affect users that want to bypass those services.
ONE EXCEPTION: connections made to port 25 outside the provider's network SHOULD be intercepted unless the customer makes a "knowledgeable opt-out request" (for example, mentions "SMTP").Do NOT do any other evil activity I don't have time to think about right now.Anyone that knows what they are doing, or finds out via information from some source (the provider not being obligated to supply this information), should be able to use the internet exactly as it was originally intended.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641143</id>
	<title>Re:Lots have failed, but some have succeeded</title>
	<author>Bottlemaster</author>
	<datestamp>1247172180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GCI does it.  They allow you to opt-out, but they still break DNS and redirect you to a blank page instead of one with ads.  Not that I expect much from an American ISP which never got rid of their monthly transfer caps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GCI does it .
They allow you to opt-out , but they still break DNS and redirect you to a blank page instead of one with ads .
Not that I expect much from an American ISP which never got rid of their monthly transfer caps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GCI does it.
They allow you to opt-out, but they still break DNS and redirect you to a blank page instead of one with ads.
Not that I expect much from an American ISP which never got rid of their monthly transfer caps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640535</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28646085</id>
	<title>Re:Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>truesaer</author>
	<datestamp>1247162040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AT&amp;T / Yahoo DSL does this.  I really despise it...first, they seem to "lose" DNS entries for sites at times.  And second when it redirects you due to a minor typo the address bar get changed and you can't easily correct a single letter typo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T / Yahoo DSL does this .
I really despise it...first , they seem to " lose " DNS entries for sites at times .
And second when it redirects you due to a minor typo the address bar get changed and you ca n't easily correct a single letter typo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T / Yahoo DSL does this.
I really despise it...first, they seem to "lose" DNS entries for sites at times.
And second when it redirects you due to a minor typo the address bar get changed and you can't easily correct a single letter typo.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640165</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642065</id>
	<title>Re:Bad assumption being made</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247133180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Is my POP client going to hand my login credentials to a Comcast server, if my email service's DNS does not resolve for some reason?</p></div></blockquote><p>In theory, its possible, but it would require more than just the DNS redirection. It would also require the servers to which you are redirected to be running POP servers (or something that acted like them initially) on the usual POP port. Since Comcasts whole plan with this seems to be a sophisticated form of typosquatting to redirect web browsers to add pages, they probably aren't doing that (though they <i>could</i>, then accept any credentials you offered, and just dump spam to you over POP when you tried to collect email. I doubt they would, but it would be pretty much in line with what they are doing to HTTP.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is my POP client going to hand my login credentials to a Comcast server , if my email service 's DNS does not resolve for some reason ? In theory , its possible , but it would require more than just the DNS redirection .
It would also require the servers to which you are redirected to be running POP servers ( or something that acted like them initially ) on the usual POP port .
Since Comcasts whole plan with this seems to be a sophisticated form of typosquatting to redirect web browsers to add pages , they probably are n't doing that ( though they could , then accept any credentials you offered , and just dump spam to you over POP when you tried to collect email .
I doubt they would , but it would be pretty much in line with what they are doing to HTTP .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is my POP client going to hand my login credentials to a Comcast server, if my email service's DNS does not resolve for some reason?In theory, its possible, but it would require more than just the DNS redirection.
It would also require the servers to which you are redirected to be running POP servers (or something that acted like them initially) on the usual POP port.
Since Comcasts whole plan with this seems to be a sophisticated form of typosquatting to redirect web browsers to add pages, they probably aren't doing that (though they could, then accept any credentials you offered, and just dump spam to you over POP when you tried to collect email.
I doubt they would, but it would be pretty much in line with what they are doing to HTTP.
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640683</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640447</id>
	<title>Re:Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I'm not mistaken (although I often am, sorry in advance) Cox has been doing this for months now, and nobody posted anything about that.  If I 'typo' a URL at home, when connected via my (or my neighbor's) Cox cablemodem, I get a Verisign page indicating that www.whateveriswas.com is Under Construction.</p><p>Is this not muchly the same thing??</p><p>It pisses me off, but not enough to hunt down a better alternative.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I 'm not mistaken ( although I often am , sorry in advance ) Cox has been doing this for months now , and nobody posted anything about that .
If I 'typo ' a URL at home , when connected via my ( or my neighbor 's ) Cox cablemodem , I get a Verisign page indicating that www.whateveriswas.com is Under Construction.Is this not muchly the same thing ?
? It pisses me off , but not enough to hunt down a better alternative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I'm not mistaken (although I often am, sorry in advance) Cox has been doing this for months now, and nobody posted anything about that.
If I 'typo' a URL at home, when connected via my (or my neighbor's) Cox cablemodem, I get a Verisign page indicating that www.whateveriswas.com is Under Construction.Is this not muchly the same thing?
?It pisses me off, but not enough to hunt down a better alternative.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640165</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641835</id>
	<title>dont bother replying on comcastvoices</title>
	<author>digitalsushi</author>
	<datestamp>1247132100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I HATE it when you type a lengthy reply into a web forum, only to have "awaiting moderation".  I'm sure they will spend 8 seconds glancing at my 10 minute's worth of work, before chucking it into the digital trash bin.  Yay, oppression.  I realize I don't have any right to free speech in their house, but it's still RUDE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I HATE it when you type a lengthy reply into a web forum , only to have " awaiting moderation " .
I 'm sure they will spend 8 seconds glancing at my 10 minute 's worth of work , before chucking it into the digital trash bin .
Yay , oppression .
I realize I do n't have any right to free speech in their house , but it 's still RUDE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I HATE it when you type a lengthy reply into a web forum, only to have "awaiting moderation".
I'm sure they will spend 8 seconds glancing at my 10 minute's worth of work, before chucking it into the digital trash bin.
Yay, oppression.
I realize I don't have any right to free speech in their house, but it's still RUDE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644177</id>
	<title>Re:Call it what it is</title>
	<author>Phroggy</author>
	<datestamp>1247142600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, typosquatting is registering a domain name similar to a popular domain, e.g. goggle.com, so that when someone makes that particular typo when trying to reach the popular web site, they'll end up at your site instead.  The key here is that typosquatting involves registering a domain name, thus preventing anyone else from registering the same domain for their own legitimate purposes (e.g. selling swim-related accessories), hence the "squatting" part.</p><p>This is completely different.  Comcast isn't registering any additional domains; they're not preventing anyone else from registering whatever domains are available.  What Comcast is doing is configuring their DNS servers so that for any domain that doesn't exist, instead of returning a "this doesn't exist" message (NXDOMAIN), they're returning the IP address of their own web site.  This is similar to typosquatting in that the end user could end up an a web site they weren't expecting if they make a typo while entering a URL, seeing a page of advertising instead of just getting an error message.  However, while typosquatting is merely annoying, what Comcast is doing <b>breaks things</b>.</p><p>The simple explanation is that <b>the Internet is not the World Wide Web</b>.  Domain names are used for other things besides web sites, and getting an IP address back for a domain that doesn't exist causes all sorts of technical problems.  For example, to cut down on spam, my e-mail server automatically rejects any incoming e-mail where the "From" address is at a domain that doesn't exist, but if my DNS servers lie to me, my e-mail server will think that all domains exist, and it won't reject anything.</p><p>As long as your ISP makes it clear what they're doing, and provides a simple way to opt out, this shouldn't be a huge problem.  It was a huge problem when Verisign tried to do it, because they're not an ISP; they operate the Registry for all<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com/.net domain names, so they are the authoritative source that everyone has to rely on.  You don't have to use your own ISP's DNS servers, though (unless they firewall port 53, but that's not common).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , typosquatting is registering a domain name similar to a popular domain , e.g .
goggle.com , so that when someone makes that particular typo when trying to reach the popular web site , they 'll end up at your site instead .
The key here is that typosquatting involves registering a domain name , thus preventing anyone else from registering the same domain for their own legitimate purposes ( e.g .
selling swim-related accessories ) , hence the " squatting " part.This is completely different .
Comcast is n't registering any additional domains ; they 're not preventing anyone else from registering whatever domains are available .
What Comcast is doing is configuring their DNS servers so that for any domain that does n't exist , instead of returning a " this does n't exist " message ( NXDOMAIN ) , they 're returning the IP address of their own web site .
This is similar to typosquatting in that the end user could end up an a web site they were n't expecting if they make a typo while entering a URL , seeing a page of advertising instead of just getting an error message .
However , while typosquatting is merely annoying , what Comcast is doing breaks things.The simple explanation is that the Internet is not the World Wide Web .
Domain names are used for other things besides web sites , and getting an IP address back for a domain that does n't exist causes all sorts of technical problems .
For example , to cut down on spam , my e-mail server automatically rejects any incoming e-mail where the " From " address is at a domain that does n't exist , but if my DNS servers lie to me , my e-mail server will think that all domains exist , and it wo n't reject anything.As long as your ISP makes it clear what they 're doing , and provides a simple way to opt out , this should n't be a huge problem .
It was a huge problem when Verisign tried to do it , because they 're not an ISP ; they operate the Registry for all .com/.net domain names , so they are the authoritative source that everyone has to rely on .
You do n't have to use your own ISP 's DNS servers , though ( unless they firewall port 53 , but that 's not common ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, typosquatting is registering a domain name similar to a popular domain, e.g.
goggle.com, so that when someone makes that particular typo when trying to reach the popular web site, they'll end up at your site instead.
The key here is that typosquatting involves registering a domain name, thus preventing anyone else from registering the same domain for their own legitimate purposes (e.g.
selling swim-related accessories), hence the "squatting" part.This is completely different.
Comcast isn't registering any additional domains; they're not preventing anyone else from registering whatever domains are available.
What Comcast is doing is configuring their DNS servers so that for any domain that doesn't exist, instead of returning a "this doesn't exist" message (NXDOMAIN), they're returning the IP address of their own web site.
This is similar to typosquatting in that the end user could end up an a web site they weren't expecting if they make a typo while entering a URL, seeing a page of advertising instead of just getting an error message.
However, while typosquatting is merely annoying, what Comcast is doing breaks things.The simple explanation is that the Internet is not the World Wide Web.
Domain names are used for other things besides web sites, and getting an IP address back for a domain that doesn't exist causes all sorts of technical problems.
For example, to cut down on spam, my e-mail server automatically rejects any incoming e-mail where the "From" address is at a domain that doesn't exist, but if my DNS servers lie to me, my e-mail server will think that all domains exist, and it won't reject anything.As long as your ISP makes it clear what they're doing, and provides a simple way to opt out, this shouldn't be a huge problem.
It was a huge problem when Verisign tried to do it, because they're not an ISP; they operate the Registry for all .com/.net domain names, so they are the authoritative source that everyone has to rely on.
You don't have to use your own ISP's DNS servers, though (unless they firewall port 53, but that's not common).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641539</id>
	<title>SICK of COMCAST</title>
	<author>wtbname</author>
	<datestamp>1247130660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am sick to death of Comcast. Everything about them is terrible, and I have no choice in service.</p><p>HD DVR:<br>- Service is occasionally blocky and disruptive to viewing.<br>- The recording software is garbage.<br>- On-Demand breaks nightly. Yes, I have to call every day for them to "turn it back on". They can't seem to find the problem. I'm positive the problem isn't with them cashing my fucking checks.</p><p>Internet:<br>- It's Fast.<br>- It resets 2-4 times per night.<br>- Used 3 different modems and 3 different routers, same behavior.</p><p>Given a choice, I would have dropped them two years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sick to death of Comcast .
Everything about them is terrible , and I have no choice in service.HD DVR : - Service is occasionally blocky and disruptive to viewing.- The recording software is garbage.- On-Demand breaks nightly .
Yes , I have to call every day for them to " turn it back on " .
They ca n't seem to find the problem .
I 'm positive the problem is n't with them cashing my fucking checks.Internet : - It 's Fast.- It resets 2-4 times per night.- Used 3 different modems and 3 different routers , same behavior.Given a choice , I would have dropped them two years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sick to death of Comcast.
Everything about them is terrible, and I have no choice in service.HD DVR:- Service is occasionally blocky and disruptive to viewing.- The recording software is garbage.- On-Demand breaks nightly.
Yes, I have to call every day for them to "turn it back on".
They can't seem to find the problem.
I'm positive the problem isn't with them cashing my fucking checks.Internet:- It's Fast.- It resets 2-4 times per night.- Used 3 different modems and 3 different routers, same behavior.Given a choice, I would have dropped them two years ago.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640981</id>
	<title>About opendns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247171700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>EVERY time (which is a often) somebody submits an article about another ISP hijacking dns lookup failures, there is an inevitable flood of sheep who post replies along the lines of "I use opendns so this doesn't happen to me, they are so much better than everyone else"</p><p>That, in fact, is not true.</p><p>Not only does it still happen with opendns, but that is their entire business model.  They make their money from the ads they show from hijacked lookup failures.  I imagine when you have 14 billion queries a day, the number of failures is probably signifigant.</p><p>Note that this is not a criticism of opendns.  They are up front about it and you can (for the most part) opt out if you want.  The thing is, YOUR ISP WILL LET YOU DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING.</p><p>The real solution if this is a problem for you is to just run your own caching dns server.  There are plenty available, for every operating system of note.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EVERY time ( which is a often ) somebody submits an article about another ISP hijacking dns lookup failures , there is an inevitable flood of sheep who post replies along the lines of " I use opendns so this does n't happen to me , they are so much better than everyone else " That , in fact , is not true.Not only does it still happen with opendns , but that is their entire business model .
They make their money from the ads they show from hijacked lookup failures .
I imagine when you have 14 billion queries a day , the number of failures is probably signifigant.Note that this is not a criticism of opendns .
They are up front about it and you can ( for the most part ) opt out if you want .
The thing is , YOUR ISP WILL LET YOU DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING.The real solution if this is a problem for you is to just run your own caching dns server .
There are plenty available , for every operating system of note .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EVERY time (which is a often) somebody submits an article about another ISP hijacking dns lookup failures, there is an inevitable flood of sheep who post replies along the lines of "I use opendns so this doesn't happen to me, they are so much better than everyone else"That, in fact, is not true.Not only does it still happen with opendns, but that is their entire business model.
They make their money from the ads they show from hijacked lookup failures.
I imagine when you have 14 billion queries a day, the number of failures is probably signifigant.Note that this is not a criticism of opendns.
They are up front about it and you can (for the most part) opt out if you want.
The thing is, YOUR ISP WILL LET YOU DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING.The real solution if this is a problem for you is to just run your own caching dns server.
There are plenty available, for every operating system of note.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640849</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247171100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenDNS is doing the same damn shit. A DNS server should never return a result for an address that doesn't exist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenDNS is doing the same damn shit .
A DNS server should never return a result for an address that does n't exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenDNS is doing the same damn shit.
A DNS server should never return a result for an address that doesn't exist.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640251</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640823</id>
	<title>Re:Lots have failed, but some have succeeded</title>
	<author>wjousts</author>
	<datestamp>1247170980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was going to same the same thing. I'm pretty sure my Road Runner from TWC does this already. Of course, with bookmarks, the search box and address completion, I rarely type the wrong URL anymore.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to same the same thing .
I 'm pretty sure my Road Runner from TWC does this already .
Of course , with bookmarks , the search box and address completion , I rarely type the wrong URL anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to same the same thing.
I'm pretty sure my Road Runner from TWC does this already.
Of course, with bookmarks, the search box and address completion, I rarely type the wrong URL anymore.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640535</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642209</id>
	<title>Re:Best DNS alternative w/o redirection?</title>
	<author>oasisbob</author>
	<datestamp>1247133780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Level3 does have an awesome DNS cloud (I use them for diagnostics all the time), but using them longterm isn't the best idea.
<br>
According to (at least someone who claims to be) Paul Vixie, Level3 said in 2008 that <a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/87143\_dns\_not\_a\_guessing\_game/#4234" title="circleid.com">they plan to discontinue the service to non-customers</a> [circleid.com]:<blockquote><div><p>Note: they also said they would eventually restrict 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 to customer access only, so if you're not a Level(3) customer, you probably need to find another solution. Almost every ISP has recursive name servers, and if yours is honest&#226;"sends you an error rather than advertising if you type in a nonexistent domain name&#226;"you should be using it. If your ISP is dishonest, then you should consider opendns or neustar's dnsadvantage, or do what I do, run your own RDNS. I use BIND, but I've also heard good things about PowerDNS and Unbound. There are also many non-free RDNS servers.</p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Level3 does have an awesome DNS cloud ( I use them for diagnostics all the time ) , but using them longterm is n't the best idea .
According to ( at least someone who claims to be ) Paul Vixie , Level3 said in 2008 that they plan to discontinue the service to non-customers [ circleid.com ] : Note : they also said they would eventually restrict 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 to customer access only , so if you 're not a Level ( 3 ) customer , you probably need to find another solution .
Almost every ISP has recursive name servers , and if yours is honest   " sends you an error rather than advertising if you type in a nonexistent domain name   " you should be using it .
If your ISP is dishonest , then you should consider opendns or neustar 's dnsadvantage , or do what I do , run your own RDNS .
I use BIND , but I 've also heard good things about PowerDNS and Unbound .
There are also many non-free RDNS servers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Level3 does have an awesome DNS cloud (I use them for diagnostics all the time), but using them longterm isn't the best idea.
According to (at least someone who claims to be) Paul Vixie, Level3 said in 2008 that they plan to discontinue the service to non-customers [circleid.com]:Note: they also said they would eventually restrict 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 to customer access only, so if you're not a Level(3) customer, you probably need to find another solution.
Almost every ISP has recursive name servers, and if yours is honestâ"sends you an error rather than advertising if you type in a nonexistent domain nameâ"you should be using it.
If your ISP is dishonest, then you should consider opendns or neustar's dnsadvantage, or do what I do, run your own RDNS.
I use BIND, but I've also heard good things about PowerDNS and Unbound.
There are also many non-free RDNS servers. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640833</id>
	<title>Re:Best DNS alternative w/o redirection?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247170980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>install BIND and use that</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>install BIND and use that</tokentext>
<sentencetext>install BIND and use that</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640315</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641025</id>
	<title>Re:Lots have failed, but some have succeeded</title>
	<author>mystik</author>
	<datestamp>1247171820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cox does it too, iirc.  I've seen it @ places where I've help setup computers. I had  been running my own dnscacher that directly hit the root servers, but when I learned about Cox doing it, I discovered they have a pair of DNS servers that *don't* exhibit this behavior and changed my resolver to hit those (to be net friendly).  I'd switch it back to the roots in a heartbeat if they started being stupid about it again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cox does it too , iirc .
I 've seen it @ places where I 've help setup computers .
I had been running my own dnscacher that directly hit the root servers , but when I learned about Cox doing it , I discovered they have a pair of DNS servers that * do n't * exhibit this behavior and changed my resolver to hit those ( to be net friendly ) .
I 'd switch it back to the roots in a heartbeat if they started being stupid about it again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cox does it too, iirc.
I've seen it @ places where I've help setup computers.
I had  been running my own dnscacher that directly hit the root servers, but when I learned about Cox doing it, I discovered they have a pair of DNS servers that *don't* exhibit this behavior and changed my resolver to hit those (to be net friendly).
I'd switch it back to the roots in a heartbeat if they started being stupid about it again.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640535</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640155</id>
	<title>malware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247168400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another great press release about how it will be helpful and a "service" for users, while the main purpose is just to gather extra advertisement revenue (while breaking internet standards). I mean, this is what malware do. Oh well, atleast these non-us ISP's dont do such dirty acts to their customers here. Time to voice your opinion maybe?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another great press release about how it will be helpful and a " service " for users , while the main purpose is just to gather extra advertisement revenue ( while breaking internet standards ) .
I mean , this is what malware do .
Oh well , atleast these non-us ISP 's dont do such dirty acts to their customers here .
Time to voice your opinion maybe ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another great press release about how it will be helpful and a "service" for users, while the main purpose is just to gather extra advertisement revenue (while breaking internet standards).
I mean, this is what malware do.
Oh well, atleast these non-us ISP's dont do such dirty acts to their customers here.
Time to voice your opinion maybe?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640165</id>
	<title>Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247168460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Some may remember when VeriSign tried this back in 2003, where it also failed.</p></div><p>Oh yeah, way back in the day.  But let us not forget <a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/18/1635215" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Earthlink's</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/03/1359221" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">attempt at this</a> [slashdot.org] or <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/19/158208" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Canadian Rogers Cable</a> [slashdot.org] or <a href="http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/15/0432259" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Charter</a> [slashdot.org] or <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/30/1236229" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">NJ Cabelvision</a> [slashdot.org] or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I'm sure you could find no end to this stream of providers offering their customers something the customers simply do not want.  <br> <br>

And I'm pretty certain most of those ended or resulted in customers bitching out the provider.  Yet here we go again.  Why?  Well, that's simple: ad revenue.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some may remember when VeriSign tried this back in 2003 , where it also failed.Oh yeah , way back in the day .
But let us not forget Earthlink 's [ slashdot.org ] attempt at this [ slashdot.org ] or Canadian Rogers Cable [ slashdot.org ] or Charter [ slashdot.org ] or NJ Cabelvision [ slashdot.org ] or ... I 'm sure you could find no end to this stream of providers offering their customers something the customers simply do not want .
And I 'm pretty certain most of those ended or resulted in customers bitching out the provider .
Yet here we go again .
Why ? Well , that 's simple : ad revenue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some may remember when VeriSign tried this back in 2003, where it also failed.Oh yeah, way back in the day.
But let us not forget Earthlink's [slashdot.org] attempt at this [slashdot.org] or Canadian Rogers Cable [slashdot.org] or Charter [slashdot.org] or NJ Cabelvision [slashdot.org] or ... I'm sure you could find no end to this stream of providers offering their customers something the customers simply do not want.
And I'm pretty certain most of those ended or resulted in customers bitching out the provider.
Yet here we go again.
Why?  Well, that's simple: ad revenue.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640731</id>
	<title>retaliation?</title>
	<author>SuperBanana</author>
	<datestamp>1247170560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How exactly does a customer "retaliate", other than canceling their service, which is grossly impractical, given that, for example, in Boston, one only has 1-2 choices in cost-effective, high-speed internet access?  Verizon services almost all suburban areas in MA with FiOS, but not anywhere in Boston, Cambridge, etc....so your choices are shitty DSL for $$$, or Comcast.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How exactly does a customer " retaliate " , other than canceling their service , which is grossly impractical , given that , for example , in Boston , one only has 1-2 choices in cost-effective , high-speed internet access ?
Verizon services almost all suburban areas in MA with FiOS , but not anywhere in Boston , Cambridge , etc....so your choices are shitty DSL for $ $ $ , or Comcast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How exactly does a customer "retaliate", other than canceling their service, which is grossly impractical, given that, for example, in Boston, one only has 1-2 choices in cost-effective, high-speed internet access?
Verizon services almost all suburban areas in MA with FiOS, but not anywhere in Boston, Cambridge, etc....so your choices are shitty DSL for $$$, or Comcast.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641135</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>Tony Hoyle</author>
	<datestamp>1247172180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think it's OK to hijack DNS think about what happens if you mistype an email address, or what happens when your configured NTP server goes offline.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think it 's OK to hijack DNS think about what happens if you mistype an email address , or what happens when your configured NTP server goes offline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think it's OK to hijack DNS think about what happens if you mistype an email address, or what happens when your configured NTP server goes offline.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28647161</id>
	<title>Re:Call it what it is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247219880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This also happened when making collect calls when the operator asked you what telco you wanted to use. Telco's named "Anyone" and "I don't care" showed up on the scene to charge the people who gave that answer ridiculious rates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This also happened when making collect calls when the operator asked you what telco you wanted to use .
Telco 's named " Anyone " and " I do n't care " showed up on the scene to charge the people who gave that answer ridiculious rates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This also happened when making collect calls when the operator asked you what telco you wanted to use.
Telco's named "Anyone" and "I don't care" showed up on the scene to charge the people who gave that answer ridiculious rates.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640803</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641383</id>
	<title>OpenDNS is opt-in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247130000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why do these OpenDNS posts keep getting modded up?  OpenDNS utilizes the very practices this article bemoans!  If you query a domain that does not exist, your browser is redirected to OpenDNS's ad-laden spam site.</p></div><p>OpenDNS is opt-in, so you're making an informed decision if you configure your systems to use it. Comcast (and others) is doing things in the background without many people being aware of the change.</p><p>It may not matter to a lot of people ("Joe Sixpack"), but it can break/upset a lot of software that assumes 'proper' responses to DNS queries. As another comment mentioned, this is a form a typosquatting, and could even open up Comcast to trademark infringement suits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do these OpenDNS posts keep getting modded up ?
OpenDNS utilizes the very practices this article bemoans !
If you query a domain that does not exist , your browser is redirected to OpenDNS 's ad-laden spam site.OpenDNS is opt-in , so you 're making an informed decision if you configure your systems to use it .
Comcast ( and others ) is doing things in the background without many people being aware of the change.It may not matter to a lot of people ( " Joe Sixpack " ) , but it can break/upset a lot of software that assumes 'proper ' responses to DNS queries .
As another comment mentioned , this is a form a typosquatting , and could even open up Comcast to trademark infringement suits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do these OpenDNS posts keep getting modded up?
OpenDNS utilizes the very practices this article bemoans!
If you query a domain that does not exist, your browser is redirected to OpenDNS's ad-laden spam site.OpenDNS is opt-in, so you're making an informed decision if you configure your systems to use it.
Comcast (and others) is doing things in the background without many people being aware of the change.It may not matter to a lot of people ("Joe Sixpack"), but it can break/upset a lot of software that assumes 'proper' responses to DNS queries.
As another comment mentioned, this is a form a typosquatting, and could even open up Comcast to trademark infringement suits.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640723</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641461</id>
	<title>Maybe they'll allow an opt-out like Charter does</title>
	<author>Whuffo</author>
	<datestamp>1247130420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Charter allows you to opt out from getting their custom search page instead of an NXERROR.

So when you opt out, you don't get the search page anymore. You get a fake IE DNS error page instead - that's served from a Charter server. Useless.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Charter allows you to opt out from getting their custom search page instead of an NXERROR .
So when you opt out , you do n't get the search page anymore .
You get a fake IE DNS error page instead - that 's served from a Charter server .
Useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Charter allows you to opt out from getting their custom search page instead of an NXERROR.
So when you opt out, you don't get the search page anymore.
You get a fake IE DNS error page instead - that's served from a Charter server.
Useless.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640355</id>
	<title>A LOT of ISPs already do this...</title>
	<author>nweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1247169180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't want to name names, but <a href="http://netalyzr.icsi.berkeley.edu/" title="berkeley.edu">Netalyzr</a> [berkeley.edu] showed that several major ISPs already do this, and allows you to check for yourself what the behavior is on your network.</p><p>Comcast is following the lead of other major ISPs which have been doing this for some time now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want to name names , but Netalyzr [ berkeley.edu ] showed that several major ISPs already do this , and allows you to check for yourself what the behavior is on your network.Comcast is following the lead of other major ISPs which have been doing this for some time now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want to name names, but Netalyzr [berkeley.edu] showed that several major ISPs already do this, and allows you to check for yourself what the behavior is on your network.Comcast is following the lead of other major ISPs which have been doing this for some time now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641223</id>
	<title>Re:I just signed up the competition...</title>
	<author>ElSupreme</author>
	<datestamp>1247172540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am in the same boat. But I opted for an antenna. But I don't have to deal with my internet not being there. I don't have to every reset my modem. And most importantly I don't have the pelasure of dealing with Comcastic customer serivce, or their prompt contractor installers.<br>
<br>
Actully about 5 years ago I made the decision never to give Comcast another dime, and so far it has paid off. I chose an apartment complex based largely on their use of Charter cable. And decided against getting cable in my current apartment. My next apartment is going to be Charter. Because of their horrible customer service and spotty at best internet uptime.<br>
<br>
And don't get me wrong ATT is not great, but they are the better of the duopoly controlling all of my internets.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am in the same boat .
But I opted for an antenna .
But I do n't have to deal with my internet not being there .
I do n't have to every reset my modem .
And most importantly I do n't have the pelasure of dealing with Comcastic customer serivce , or their prompt contractor installers .
Actully about 5 years ago I made the decision never to give Comcast another dime , and so far it has paid off .
I chose an apartment complex based largely on their use of Charter cable .
And decided against getting cable in my current apartment .
My next apartment is going to be Charter .
Because of their horrible customer service and spotty at best internet uptime .
And do n't get me wrong ATT is not great , but they are the better of the duopoly controlling all of my internets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am in the same boat.
But I opted for an antenna.
But I don't have to deal with my internet not being there.
I don't have to every reset my modem.
And most importantly I don't have the pelasure of dealing with Comcastic customer serivce, or their prompt contractor installers.
Actully about 5 years ago I made the decision never to give Comcast another dime, and so far it has paid off.
I chose an apartment complex based largely on their use of Charter cable.
And decided against getting cable in my current apartment.
My next apartment is going to be Charter.
Because of their horrible customer service and spotty at best internet uptime.
And don't get me wrong ATT is not great, but they are the better of the duopoly controlling all of my internets.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640345</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645467</id>
	<title>Comcast</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247152740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Comcast IS Malware!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Comcast IS Malware !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Comcast IS Malware!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28647735</id>
	<title>Dont Other peope do this already ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247228700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Charter already dose this. I just use greese moneky to forward the url to a nice error page.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Charter already dose this .
I just use greese moneky to forward the url to a nice error page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Charter already dose this.
I just use greese moneky to forward the url to a nice error page.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641929</id>
	<title>Re:They shouldn't control it.</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1247132640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why exactly does the ISP control DNS?</p></div> </blockquote><p>Because ISPs control every packet going over their networks, and while they enjoy most of the liability protections that go to common carrier is other fields, they experience very little of the kind of behavioral regulations that go with that status.</p><p>Which is a great deal, if you are a major ISP.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why exactly does the ISP control DNS ?
Because ISPs control every packet going over their networks , and while they enjoy most of the liability protections that go to common carrier is other fields , they experience very little of the kind of behavioral regulations that go with that status.Which is a great deal , if you are a major ISP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why exactly does the ISP control DNS?
Because ISPs control every packet going over their networks, and while they enjoy most of the liability protections that go to common carrier is other fields, they experience very little of the kind of behavioral regulations that go with that status.Which is a great deal, if you are a major ISP.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640641</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644075</id>
	<title>If it was the phone company</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247142120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Time to call mom.  Wow, I haven't called her in a long time."</p><p>[Dials number, but <b>incorrectly</b>]</p><p>[Phone connects]</p><p>"Beep, beep, beep.  We're sorry, but the number you have dialed is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...."</p><p><b> <i>"Intergalactic proton powered electrical tentacle advertising droids. INTERGALACTIC PROTON POWERED ELECTRICAL TENTACLE ADVERTISING DROIDS!  Hi I'm Darth Harrington of Darth Harrington's intergalactic proton powered electrical tentacle advertising droids emporium and moon base! And due to a garbled sub-space transmission we are currently overstocked on all intergalactic proton powered electrical advertising droids! And I'm here to pass the savings on to yooouuuuu!"</i> </b></p><p>"...not in service.  Please hang up and dial again.  This is a recording."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Time to call mom .
Wow , I have n't called her in a long time .
" [ Dials number , but incorrectly ] [ Phone connects ] " Beep , beep , beep .
We 're sorry , but the number you have dialed is .... " " Intergalactic proton powered electrical tentacle advertising droids .
INTERGALACTIC PROTON POWERED ELECTRICAL TENTACLE ADVERTISING DROIDS !
Hi I 'm Darth Harrington of Darth Harrington 's intergalactic proton powered electrical tentacle advertising droids emporium and moon base !
And due to a garbled sub-space transmission we are currently overstocked on all intergalactic proton powered electrical advertising droids !
And I 'm here to pass the savings on to yooouuuuu !
" " ...not in service .
Please hang up and dial again .
This is a recording .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Time to call mom.
Wow, I haven't called her in a long time.
"[Dials number, but incorrectly][Phone connects]"Beep, beep, beep.
We're sorry, but the number you have dialed is ...." "Intergalactic proton powered electrical tentacle advertising droids.
INTERGALACTIC PROTON POWERED ELECTRICAL TENTACLE ADVERTISING DROIDS!
Hi I'm Darth Harrington of Darth Harrington's intergalactic proton powered electrical tentacle advertising droids emporium and moon base!
And due to a garbled sub-space transmission we are currently overstocked on all intergalactic proton powered electrical advertising droids!
And I'm here to pass the savings on to yooouuuuu!
" "...not in service.
Please hang up and dial again.
This is a recording.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641007</id>
	<title>Re:I just signed up the competition...</title>
	<author>NeverVotedBush</author>
	<datestamp>1247171760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree completely on not going with Comcast. I go with Qwest for my DSL.<br> <br>

But you do know about the special rooms on the AT&amp;T trunk lines that monitor all the traffic for the NSA, right?<br> <br>

Not that me using Qwest stops my traffic from being monitored too, but at least I am not directly supporting AT&amp;T (or Verizon) and their habit of handing over whatever information is asked without requiring a search warrant to back it up.<br> <br>

Qwest refused to hand over data without a search warrant.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree completely on not going with Comcast .
I go with Qwest for my DSL .
But you do know about the special rooms on the AT&amp;T trunk lines that monitor all the traffic for the NSA , right ?
Not that me using Qwest stops my traffic from being monitored too , but at least I am not directly supporting AT&amp;T ( or Verizon ) and their habit of handing over whatever information is asked without requiring a search warrant to back it up .
Qwest refused to hand over data without a search warrant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree completely on not going with Comcast.
I go with Qwest for my DSL.
But you do know about the special rooms on the AT&amp;T trunk lines that monitor all the traffic for the NSA, right?
Not that me using Qwest stops my traffic from being monitored too, but at least I am not directly supporting AT&amp;T (or Verizon) and their habit of handing over whatever information is asked without requiring a search warrant to back it up.
Qwest refused to hand over data without a search warrant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640345</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642579</id>
	<title>EarthLink!</title>
	<author>antdude</author>
	<datestamp>1247135220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>EarthLink does it too, but it has DNS' that you can opt out IIRC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EarthLink does it too , but it has DNS ' that you can opt out IIRC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EarthLink does it too, but it has DNS' that you can opt out IIRC.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640535</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640535</id>
	<title>Lots have failed, but some have succeeded</title>
	<author>Sheafification</author>
	<datestamp>1247169840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I noticed the summary mentioned several attempts that have failed, but makes no mention of other ISPs that are still doing it. Time Warner Cable is one that has been doing this for a while now (maybe a year?). Anyone know of others?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I noticed the summary mentioned several attempts that have failed , but makes no mention of other ISPs that are still doing it .
Time Warner Cable is one that has been doing this for a while now ( maybe a year ? ) .
Anyone know of others ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I noticed the summary mentioned several attempts that have failed, but makes no mention of other ISPs that are still doing it.
Time Warner Cable is one that has been doing this for a while now (maybe a year?).
Anyone know of others?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640997</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>SCHecklerX</author>
	<datestamp>1247171760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If a domain name does not exist, I want my systems to receive an error telling them so, not be redirected to a system that they were not expecting to be directed to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If a domain name does not exist , I want my systems to receive an error telling them so , not be redirected to a system that they were not expecting to be directed to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a domain name does not exist, I want my systems to receive an error telling them so, not be redirected to a system that they were not expecting to be directed to.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642151</id>
	<title>Re:retaliation?</title>
	<author>HeronBlademaster</author>
	<datestamp>1247133540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You call them and threaten to cancel your service unless they stop doing it.  Oh, and you have to follow through.</p><p>That's why it doesn't really work.  Most people won't follow through, even if they bother with the threat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You call them and threaten to cancel your service unless they stop doing it .
Oh , and you have to follow through.That 's why it does n't really work .
Most people wo n't follow through , even if they bother with the threat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You call them and threaten to cancel your service unless they stop doing it.
Oh, and you have to follow through.That's why it doesn't really work.
Most people won't follow through, even if they bother with the threat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640731</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640521</id>
	<title>Keep trying till you succeed</title>
	<author>Lead Butthead</author>
	<datestamp>1247169780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When in doubt, keep trying. When rejected, keep trying. Enough people do this, it becomes the norm. Sad, but true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When in doubt , keep trying .
When rejected , keep trying .
Enough people do this , it becomes the norm .
Sad , but true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When in doubt, keep trying.
When rejected, keep trying.
Enough people do this, it becomes the norm.
Sad, but true.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640165</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28643875</id>
	<title>Re:Best DNS alternative w/o redirection?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247140800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Been using 4.2.2.4<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/2 as my dns servers for years..  And i'm a crapcast customer.</p><p>It fails alot less (never) than comcasts dns servers fail (often).</p><p>I so wish i could get rid of comcast.  They are STILL doing the spoof reset your connections trick to stop p2p.  Remember the one they claimed they stopped doing?   Yeah...  they didnt.     And it also works on multiplayer gaming.   joy.</p><p>Reset connections.   447.   And i've only been online for an hour so far trying to play a game.   At least the game client is good about resuming it when comcast spoofs a close to both ends.</p><p>It also cuts off every night during the emergency broadcast test.   the WEEKLY test.  that they do every night.  the test that is so fuzzy and distorted that if i ever needed to get real info from the EBS...  i'd be crap outta luck.   Sometimes they even forget to turn the test off for several hours..</p><p>I so hate comcast.  Really.   But other options?  HA!  hahahaha.  not here.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:\</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Been using 4.2.2.4 /2 as my dns servers for years.. And i 'm a crapcast customer.It fails alot less ( never ) than comcasts dns servers fail ( often ) .I so wish i could get rid of comcast .
They are STILL doing the spoof reset your connections trick to stop p2p .
Remember the one they claimed they stopped doing ?
Yeah... they didnt .
And it also works on multiplayer gaming .
joy.Reset connections .
447. And i 've only been online for an hour so far trying to play a game .
At least the game client is good about resuming it when comcast spoofs a close to both ends.It also cuts off every night during the emergency broadcast test .
the WEEKLY test .
that they do every night .
the test that is so fuzzy and distorted that if i ever needed to get real info from the EBS... i 'd be crap outta luck .
Sometimes they even forget to turn the test off for several hours..I so hate comcast .
Really. But other options ?
HA ! hahahaha .
not here .
: \</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Been using 4.2.2.4 /2 as my dns servers for years..  And i'm a crapcast customer.It fails alot less (never) than comcasts dns servers fail (often).I so wish i could get rid of comcast.
They are STILL doing the spoof reset your connections trick to stop p2p.
Remember the one they claimed they stopped doing?
Yeah...  they didnt.
And it also works on multiplayer gaming.
joy.Reset connections.
447.   And i've only been online for an hour so far trying to play a game.
At least the game client is good about resuming it when comcast spoofs a close to both ends.It also cuts off every night during the emergency broadcast test.
the WEEKLY test.
that they do every night.
the test that is so fuzzy and distorted that if i ever needed to get real info from the EBS...  i'd be crap outta luck.
Sometimes they even forget to turn the test off for several hours..I so hate comcast.
Really.   But other options?
HA!  hahahaha.
not here.
:\</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640703</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642257</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>Tacvek</author>
	<datestamp>1247134020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real nasty issue with these services are that they are claimed to be helpful to users. The issue is that it is not helpful. Modern browsers already provide options to redirect NXDOMAIN's to a search engine, or other useful things.</p><p>For example, Google chrome provides a nice page that says "DNS error - cannot find server" in the corner, and provides a helpful search box that is pre-filled with the words found in the domain name. (I have no idea what algorithm is being used to find the word breaks, but it seems to work reasonably well.)</p><p>If you have Google Toolbar installed in IE, it does the same thing (except for having Google Toolbar branding rather than Chrome Branding).</p><p>Other common search toolbars provide similar services.</p><p>I will admit that IE's default error page, and Firefox's default error page are not as helpful to most users, but rather than hijack DNS, why don't you (ISPs) just add the "feature" to the IE toolbar you provide on your Set-Up CD. Those who have no use for such a service don't use those CDs anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real nasty issue with these services are that they are claimed to be helpful to users .
The issue is that it is not helpful .
Modern browsers already provide options to redirect NXDOMAIN 's to a search engine , or other useful things.For example , Google chrome provides a nice page that says " DNS error - can not find server " in the corner , and provides a helpful search box that is pre-filled with the words found in the domain name .
( I have no idea what algorithm is being used to find the word breaks , but it seems to work reasonably well .
) If you have Google Toolbar installed in IE , it does the same thing ( except for having Google Toolbar branding rather than Chrome Branding ) .Other common search toolbars provide similar services.I will admit that IE 's default error page , and Firefox 's default error page are not as helpful to most users , but rather than hijack DNS , why do n't you ( ISPs ) just add the " feature " to the IE toolbar you provide on your Set-Up CD .
Those who have no use for such a service do n't use those CDs anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real nasty issue with these services are that they are claimed to be helpful to users.
The issue is that it is not helpful.
Modern browsers already provide options to redirect NXDOMAIN's to a search engine, or other useful things.For example, Google chrome provides a nice page that says "DNS error - cannot find server" in the corner, and provides a helpful search box that is pre-filled with the words found in the domain name.
(I have no idea what algorithm is being used to find the word breaks, but it seems to work reasonably well.
)If you have Google Toolbar installed in IE, it does the same thing (except for having Google Toolbar branding rather than Chrome Branding).Other common search toolbars provide similar services.I will admit that IE's default error page, and Firefox's default error page are not as helpful to most users, but rather than hijack DNS, why don't you (ISPs) just add the "feature" to the IE toolbar you provide on your Set-Up CD.
Those who have no use for such a service don't use those CDs anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641341</id>
	<title>Timewarner for some time</title>
	<author>link-error</author>
	<datestamp>1247173080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
 has been doing this.  I switched to openDNS which also does this, but there are other advantages, so I'm ok with that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>has been doing this .
I switched to openDNS which also does this , but there are other advantages , so I 'm ok with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
 has been doing this.
I switched to openDNS which also does this, but there are other advantages, so I'm ok with that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640447</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640545</id>
	<title>Re:The Sky isn't faling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As others have mentioned before, DNS is unaware of what you need it for and some of us use it for other things than just surfing the web (read : HTTP protocol).</p><p>Getting a valid IP on an invalid name while trying to set up an FTP, SMTP, POP, etc connection (to name a few) could break the app (which assumes the internet standards are obeyed).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As others have mentioned before , DNS is unaware of what you need it for and some of us use it for other things than just surfing the web ( read : HTTP protocol ) .Getting a valid IP on an invalid name while trying to set up an FTP , SMTP , POP , etc connection ( to name a few ) could break the app ( which assumes the internet standards are obeyed ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As others have mentioned before, DNS is unaware of what you need it for and some of us use it for other things than just surfing the web (read : HTTP protocol).Getting a valid IP on an invalid name while trying to set up an FTP, SMTP, POP, etc connection (to name a few) could break the app (which assumes the internet standards are obeyed).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641855</id>
	<title>There is an easy way to deal with this</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1247132220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>set up your phone to forward any incoming calls from comcast to a 1-900 number you own.<br>Charge 100 buck, plus 5 bucks a minute.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>set up your phone to forward any incoming calls from comcast to a 1-900 number you own.Charge 100 buck , plus 5 bucks a minute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>set up your phone to forward any incoming calls from comcast to a 1-900 number you own.Charge 100 buck, plus 5 bucks a minute.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641443</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247130300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenDNS provides a ton of options beyond simple DNS services and they are faster, I realize the trade off and I have the option to use them or not. Most non-savvy users (see 99\% of Comcast's customer base) have no clue the problems they are about to get to deal with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenDNS provides a ton of options beyond simple DNS services and they are faster , I realize the trade off and I have the option to use them or not .
Most non-savvy users ( see 99 \ % of Comcast 's customer base ) have no clue the problems they are about to get to deal with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenDNS provides a ton of options beyond simple DNS services and they are faster, I realize the trade off and I have the option to use them or not.
Most non-savvy users (see 99\% of Comcast's customer base) have no clue the problems they are about to get to deal with.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640967</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644663</id>
	<title>Re:I just signed up the competition...</title>
	<author>op12</author>
	<datestamp>1247145780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>AT&amp;T doesn't touch my bandwidth. They don't cap it, they don't filter it - they aren't keeping a database of my URL lookups.</p></div><p>While I doubt that's true even today, it's only a matter of time before they implement bandwidth caps. I don't think any major ISP is not at least trying them out. AT&amp;T started trials last November.
<a href="http://gizmodo.com/5075831/att-monthly-bandwidth-caps-are-here" title="gizmodo.com">http://gizmodo.com/5075831/att-monthly-bandwidth-caps-are-here</a> [gizmodo.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>AT&amp;T does n't touch my bandwidth .
They do n't cap it , they do n't filter it - they are n't keeping a database of my URL lookups.While I doubt that 's true even today , it 's only a matter of time before they implement bandwidth caps .
I do n't think any major ISP is not at least trying them out .
AT&amp;T started trials last November .
http : //gizmodo.com/5075831/att-monthly-bandwidth-caps-are-here [ gizmodo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AT&amp;T doesn't touch my bandwidth.
They don't cap it, they don't filter it - they aren't keeping a database of my URL lookups.While I doubt that's true even today, it's only a matter of time before they implement bandwidth caps.
I don't think any major ISP is not at least trying them out.
AT&amp;T started trials last November.
http://gizmodo.com/5075831/att-monthly-bandwidth-caps-are-here [gizmodo.com]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640345</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641183</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247172360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wanted to remind everybody that a few weeks ago, another slashdot article about comcast DNS hijacking appeared, and everybody wound up calling this specific blogger a liar.</p><p>What if before introducing mass trials, they randomly selected MAC IDs and did this in specific locations? Perhaps that blogger actually did break news.</p><p>But then, it wouldn't be the first time we trolled a legitimate story because its legitimacy was hard to validate at the time.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Also, this discredits Comcast's massive twitter efforts as ComcastBonnie so kindly made a slashdot account after seeing the twitter output from the article, and told us that the engineers promised no form of DNS hijacking was underway. Underway or not, it was certainly being planned, and coverups should not be appreciated.</p><p>Just my two cents</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wanted to remind everybody that a few weeks ago , another slashdot article about comcast DNS hijacking appeared , and everybody wound up calling this specific blogger a liar.What if before introducing mass trials , they randomly selected MAC IDs and did this in specific locations ?
Perhaps that blogger actually did break news.But then , it would n't be the first time we trolled a legitimate story because its legitimacy was hard to validate at the time .
: ) Also , this discredits Comcast 's massive twitter efforts as ComcastBonnie so kindly made a slashdot account after seeing the twitter output from the article , and told us that the engineers promised no form of DNS hijacking was underway .
Underway or not , it was certainly being planned , and coverups should not be appreciated.Just my two cents</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wanted to remind everybody that a few weeks ago, another slashdot article about comcast DNS hijacking appeared, and everybody wound up calling this specific blogger a liar.What if before introducing mass trials, they randomly selected MAC IDs and did this in specific locations?
Perhaps that blogger actually did break news.But then, it wouldn't be the first time we trolled a legitimate story because its legitimacy was hard to validate at the time.
:)Also, this discredits Comcast's massive twitter efforts as ComcastBonnie so kindly made a slashdot account after seeing the twitter output from the article, and told us that the engineers promised no form of DNS hijacking was underway.
Underway or not, it was certainly being planned, and coverups should not be appreciated.Just my two cents</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645609</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247154000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How does "an opt-out button on [some] page you [got] redirected to" help if I typo an e-mail address or NTP server name in some configuration file?  Not everything on the Internet is a web browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How does " an opt-out button on [ some ] page you [ got ] redirected to " help if I typo an e-mail address or NTP server name in some configuration file ?
Not everything on the Internet is a web browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does "an opt-out button on [some] page you [got] redirected to" help if I typo an e-mail address or NTP server name in some configuration file?
Not everything on the Internet is a web browser.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640565</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640793</id>
	<title>Re:Here We Go Again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247170860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is one difference, comcast is bringing their expertise of how to reduce the customer complaints when screwing them over.  Their trick is to offer an opt out.  If you complain then simply remove yourself from the program.  This way they can keep the people 90\% that wont fight for their rights and still increase the ad revenue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is one difference , comcast is bringing their expertise of how to reduce the customer complaints when screwing them over .
Their trick is to offer an opt out .
If you complain then simply remove yourself from the program .
This way they can keep the people 90 \ % that wont fight for their rights and still increase the ad revenue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is one difference, comcast is bringing their expertise of how to reduce the customer complaints when screwing them over.
Their trick is to offer an opt out.
If you complain then simply remove yourself from the program.
This way they can keep the people 90\% that wont fight for their rights and still increase the ad revenue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640165</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640477</id>
	<title>the ONLY thing robbIE siad he would never do</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>censorship is thriving here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.. just so va larry/robbIE (mega suckups that they've become) can try to stay/become as rich as nazis? delete that you pitiful LIEforms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>censorship is thriving here on /.. just so va larry/robbIE ( mega suckups that they 've become ) can try to stay/become as rich as nazis ?
delete that you pitiful LIEforms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>censorship is thriving here on /.. just so va larry/robbIE (mega suckups that they've become) can try to stay/become as rich as nazis?
delete that you pitiful LIEforms.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641289</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe..........</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1247172840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are 8 weeks in a month where you are?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are 8 weeks in a month where you are ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are 8 weeks in a month where you are?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640659</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641127</id>
	<title>Re:So should...</title>
	<author>ahecht</author>
	<datestamp>1247172180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>OpenDNS is just as bad -- they do the same thing. The real solution is to change your DNS servers to use the L3 DNS servers at 4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.3, 4.2.2.4, 4.2.2.5, or 4.2.2.6, which are often faster than Comcast's anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenDNS is just as bad -- they do the same thing .
The real solution is to change your DNS servers to use the L3 DNS servers at 4.2.2.1 , 4.2.2.3 , 4.2.2.4 , 4.2.2.5 , or 4.2.2.6 , which are often faster than Comcast 's anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenDNS is just as bad -- they do the same thing.
The real solution is to change your DNS servers to use the L3 DNS servers at 4.2.2.1, 4.2.2.3, 4.2.2.4, 4.2.2.5, or 4.2.2.6, which are often faster than Comcast's anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640251</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641205</id>
	<title>I'm not sure what the big deal is</title>
	<author>sohmc</author>
	<datestamp>1247172480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Besides the fact that this is another form of revenue for comcast, et al, what does this hurt?

I use Verizon FiOS which has the same system in place but I've never seen it when I use firefox.  You can set up FF to search google FIRST before forwarding you to comcast's DNS failure page.

I agree that DSN should only be a service, not a full-blown application.  But everyone is trying to make more money.

As an aside the hell does comcast, verizon, etc need to make more money?!  We pay them for service.  We shouldn't be subjected to ads on top of that.

Adblocker for the win!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides the fact that this is another form of revenue for comcast , et al , what does this hurt ?
I use Verizon FiOS which has the same system in place but I 've never seen it when I use firefox .
You can set up FF to search google FIRST before forwarding you to comcast 's DNS failure page .
I agree that DSN should only be a service , not a full-blown application .
But everyone is trying to make more money .
As an aside the hell does comcast , verizon , etc need to make more money ? !
We pay them for service .
We should n't be subjected to ads on top of that .
Adblocker for the win !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides the fact that this is another form of revenue for comcast, et al, what does this hurt?
I use Verizon FiOS which has the same system in place but I've never seen it when I use firefox.
You can set up FF to search google FIRST before forwarding you to comcast's DNS failure page.
I agree that DSN should only be a service, not a full-blown application.
But everyone is trying to make more money.
As an aside the hell does comcast, verizon, etc need to make more money?!
We pay them for service.
We shouldn't be subjected to ads on top of that.
Adblocker for the win!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641113</id>
	<title>there goes split tunneling VPN</title>
	<author>Satanboy</author>
	<datestamp>1247172120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This will be a major blow to companies that use <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split\_tunneling" title="wikipedia.org">split tunneling</a> [wikipedia.org] for VPN.</p><p>I wonder what will happen if thousands of customers have to cancel their service as this 'enhanced dns' becomes a detriment to them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This will be a major blow to companies that use split tunneling [ wikipedia.org ] for VPN.I wonder what will happen if thousands of customers have to cancel their service as this 'enhanced dns ' becomes a detriment to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will be a major blow to companies that use split tunneling [wikipedia.org] for VPN.I wonder what will happen if thousands of customers have to cancel their service as this 'enhanced dns' becomes a detriment to them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641193</id>
	<title>Re:A LOT of ISPs already do this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247172420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...including mine (Verizon FIOS) apparently.  fortunately, if it doesn't show up in my smart bar, I just google for everything now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...including mine ( Verizon FIOS ) apparently .
fortunately , if it does n't show up in my smart bar , I just google for everything now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...including mine (Verizon FIOS) apparently.
fortunately, if it doesn't show up in my smart bar, I just google for everything now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644299</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>DrEldarion</author>
	<datestamp>1247143140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With bandwith use increasing like crazy, who's to say this isn't the alternative to <i>raising</i> rates?</p><p>Not that I like it, but I'd prefer this to a more expensive cable bill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With bandwith use increasing like crazy , who 's to say this is n't the alternative to raising rates ? Not that I like it , but I 'd prefer this to a more expensive cable bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With bandwith use increasing like crazy, who's to say this isn't the alternative to raising rates?Not that I like it, but I'd prefer this to a more expensive cable bill.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640373</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28642195</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>ACalcutt</author>
	<datestamp>1247133720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the difference is that this is opt-out, not opt-in like opendns or other free dns servers</htmltext>
<tokenext>the difference is that this is opt-out , not opt-in like opendns or other free dns servers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the difference is that this is opt-out, not opt-in like opendns or other free dns servers</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28645357</id>
	<title>Royalties?</title>
	<author>Captain Cabron</author>
	<datestamp>1247151720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey I've got a question for you Comcast<br>
If people mistype my web address (ww.example.com), and Comcast shows them an ad, Comcast sends me part of the proceeds, right? <br>
because Comcast is making money off of my brand name...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey I 've got a question for you Comcast If people mistype my web address ( ww.example.com ) , and Comcast shows them an ad , Comcast sends me part of the proceeds , right ?
because Comcast is making money off of my brand name.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey I've got a question for you Comcast
If people mistype my web address (ww.example.com), and Comcast shows them an ad, Comcast sends me part of the proceeds, right?
because Comcast is making money off of my brand name...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28641633</id>
	<title>A DNS that is always there.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247131140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenDNS is up all the time unlike the DNS servers provided by Time Warner's RoadRunner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenDNS is up all the time unlike the DNS servers provided by Time Warner 's RoadRunner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenDNS is up all the time unlike the DNS servers provided by Time Warner's RoadRunner.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640851</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28646893</id>
	<title>Re:malware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247216820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The non-us companies have the greed to do it but not the intelligence. Stupid fuckers. Wait and they will discover it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The non-us companies have the greed to do it but not the intelligence .
Stupid fuckers .
Wait and they will discover it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The non-us companies have the greed to do it but not the intelligence.
Stupid fuckers.
Wait and they will discover it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640155</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640641</id>
	<title>They shouldn't control it.</title>
	<author>Well-Fed Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1247170260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why exactly does the ISP control DNS?
<br>
Given the shenanigans the ISPs and governmental authorities have been up to the last few years, I say we need to rethink TCP.  You see, we've been assuming all along that ISPs are not malicious.  We need to start assuming they are malicious.
The new TCP protocol should only assume that all socket level data is sensitive and therefore must be encrypted as to both its contents AND its destination.  This implies traffic shaping, onion routing and a public key based DNS</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why exactly does the ISP control DNS ?
Given the shenanigans the ISPs and governmental authorities have been up to the last few years , I say we need to rethink TCP .
You see , we 've been assuming all along that ISPs are not malicious .
We need to start assuming they are malicious .
The new TCP protocol should only assume that all socket level data is sensitive and therefore must be encrypted as to both its contents AND its destination .
This implies traffic shaping , onion routing and a public key based DNS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why exactly does the ISP control DNS?
Given the shenanigans the ISPs and governmental authorities have been up to the last few years, I say we need to rethink TCP.
You see, we've been assuming all along that ISPs are not malicious.
We need to start assuming they are malicious.
The new TCP protocol should only assume that all socket level data is sensitive and therefore must be encrypted as to both its contents AND its destination.
This implies traffic shaping, onion routing and a public key based DNS</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28644031</id>
	<title>Re:Opt Out page is Slashdotted</title>
	<author>Seumas</author>
	<datestamp>1247141760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best way to opt-out is to just use OpenDNS in the first place (as long as you don't do anything that requires a proper DNS response when a location doesn't exist). Functionally the same as Comcast redirecting you, I suppose, but at least they don't get to profit off of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best way to opt-out is to just use OpenDNS in the first place ( as long as you do n't do anything that requires a proper DNS response when a location does n't exist ) .
Functionally the same as Comcast redirecting you , I suppose , but at least they do n't get to profit off of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best way to opt-out is to just use OpenDNS in the first place (as long as you don't do anything that requires a proper DNS response when a location doesn't exist).
Functionally the same as Comcast redirecting you, I suppose, but at least they don't get to profit off of it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640305</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640391</id>
	<title>Rogers has been doing this for ages</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rogers has been doing this for ages here in Canada, and they don't offer opt-outs either. And, it's tweaked to fail a lot, it will sometimes redirect google.com to their search engine/ad displaying page. Yay opendns!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rogers has been doing this for ages here in Canada , and they do n't offer opt-outs either .
And , it 's tweaked to fail a lot , it will sometimes redirect google.com to their search engine/ad displaying page .
Yay opendns !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rogers has been doing this for ages here in Canada, and they don't offer opt-outs either.
And, it's tweaked to fail a lot, it will sometimes redirect google.com to their search engine/ad displaying page.
Yay opendns!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1811249.28640253</id>
	<title>Call it what it is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247168760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Didn't RTFA, but lets call a spade a spade--this is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typosquatting" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">typosquatting</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't RTFA , but lets call a spade a spade--this is typosquatting [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't RTFA, but lets call a spade a spade--this is typosquatting [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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