<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_09_1339225</id>
	<title>Standalone GPS Receivers Going the Way of the Dodo</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1247149080000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"The NY Times reports that more than 40 percent of all smartphone owners  and 80 percent of iPhone users use their mobile devices to get turn-by-turn directions <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/08/technology/08gps.html?\_r=1">driving down sales of traditional standalone GPS units</a> from companies like TomTom, Garmin and Magellan. During the first quarter, TomTom said it shipped 29 percent fewer GPS units compared with the period in 2008 while Garmin's unit sales fell 13 percent from the previous year. While smartphones are susceptible to interruptions from incoming phone calls and using the mapping features for a long time can chew through battery power, the list of the smartphone's shortcomings is dwindling as some of the latest navigation applications offer voice navigation and take advantage of the phone's always-connected state to offer real-time traffic updates, directions to contacts in the phone's address book and more. 'I've not stopped using a GPS because I never bought one in the first place &mdash; they are expensive and inconvenient,' says Steve Weller. 'Now with the iPhone, I will actually use GPS &mdash; and the 10 other functions it replaces.' The traditional GPS device companies are trying to adapt, seeking to expand their reach into the smartphone market. <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/tomtom-for-iphone-boosts-gps-adds-turn-by-turn-directions/">TomTom recently announced that it would introduce a portable navigation application for the iPhone</a> that would feature turn-by-turn directions and audio prompts. 'The simplicity of having one device and not needing to pull the Garmin out of my glove compartment is enough,' says Andrew DiMarcangelo. 'I want to get into my car and do as few things as possible.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " The NY Times reports that more than 40 percent of all smartphone owners and 80 percent of iPhone users use their mobile devices to get turn-by-turn directions driving down sales of traditional standalone GPS units from companies like TomTom , Garmin and Magellan .
During the first quarter , TomTom said it shipped 29 percent fewer GPS units compared with the period in 2008 while Garmin 's unit sales fell 13 percent from the previous year .
While smartphones are susceptible to interruptions from incoming phone calls and using the mapping features for a long time can chew through battery power , the list of the smartphone 's shortcomings is dwindling as some of the latest navigation applications offer voice navigation and take advantage of the phone 's always-connected state to offer real-time traffic updates , directions to contacts in the phone 's address book and more .
'I 've not stopped using a GPS because I never bought one in the first place    they are expensive and inconvenient, ' says Steve Weller .
'Now with the iPhone , I will actually use GPS    and the 10 other functions it replaces .
' The traditional GPS device companies are trying to adapt , seeking to expand their reach into the smartphone market .
TomTom recently announced that it would introduce a portable navigation application for the iPhone that would feature turn-by-turn directions and audio prompts .
'The simplicity of having one device and not needing to pull the Garmin out of my glove compartment is enough, ' says Andrew DiMarcangelo .
'I want to get into my car and do as few things as possible .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times reports that more than 40 percent of all smartphone owners  and 80 percent of iPhone users use their mobile devices to get turn-by-turn directions driving down sales of traditional standalone GPS units from companies like TomTom, Garmin and Magellan.
During the first quarter, TomTom said it shipped 29 percent fewer GPS units compared with the period in 2008 while Garmin's unit sales fell 13 percent from the previous year.
While smartphones are susceptible to interruptions from incoming phone calls and using the mapping features for a long time can chew through battery power, the list of the smartphone's shortcomings is dwindling as some of the latest navigation applications offer voice navigation and take advantage of the phone's always-connected state to offer real-time traffic updates, directions to contacts in the phone's address book and more.
'I've not stopped using a GPS because I never bought one in the first place — they are expensive and inconvenient,' says Steve Weller.
'Now with the iPhone, I will actually use GPS — and the 10 other functions it replaces.
' The traditional GPS device companies are trying to adapt, seeking to expand their reach into the smartphone market.
TomTom recently announced that it would introduce a portable navigation application for the iPhone that would feature turn-by-turn directions and audio prompts.
'The simplicity of having one device and not needing to pull the Garmin out of my glove compartment is enough,' says Andrew DiMarcangelo.
'I want to get into my car and do as few things as possible.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636565</id>
	<title>Re:I think there is a bit of a stretch here...</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1247154120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you kidding. GPS is just wreaking of bells-and-whistles that GM/Toyota will never satisfy. Until they put a hole in the dash for 3rd party engine rewiring, then the accessory market will thrive, especially in GPS evolution.<br> <br>

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<a href="http://www.wikispeedia.org/" title="wikispeedia.org" rel="nofollow">Speedlimits</a> [wikispeedia.org] <br>
<a href="http://code.google.com/p/speedlimit/" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">New Android app needs your help.</a> [google.com] <br>
<a href="http://gpscruise1.blogspot.com/" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">The Future.</a> [blogspot.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you kidding .
GPS is just wreaking of bells-and-whistles that GM/Toyota will never satisfy .
Until they put a hole in the dash for 3rd party engine rewiring , then the accessory market will thrive , especially in GPS evolution .
---------- Speedlimits [ wikispeedia.org ] New Android app needs your help .
[ google.com ] The Future .
[ blogspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you kidding.
GPS is just wreaking of bells-and-whistles that GM/Toyota will never satisfy.
Until they put a hole in the dash for 3rd party engine rewiring, then the accessory market will thrive, especially in GPS evolution.
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Speedlimits [wikispeedia.org] 
New Android app needs your help.
[google.com] 
The Future.
[blogspot.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638971</id>
	<title>Re:I think there is a bit of a stretch here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247164020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Today's GPS marketing teams are like cell phones, adding more and more gadgets I do not need, but am expected to pay for. The brand I want does not cell 2 years ago models, instead offering things like cell-phone-connection (+100$), blue-tooth (+100$), image viewers and even MP3 players. And of course they sell between 250 and 700. My feature set should be under 50$ by now.</p><p>Furthermore 90\% of cars owners I know already has one, and since the cheapest ones do the job since 2003, why buy another one again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Today 's GPS marketing teams are like cell phones , adding more and more gadgets I do not need , but am expected to pay for .
The brand I want does not cell 2 years ago models , instead offering things like cell-phone-connection ( + 100 $ ) , blue-tooth ( + 100 $ ) , image viewers and even MP3 players .
And of course they sell between 250 and 700 .
My feature set should be under 50 $ by now.Furthermore 90 \ % of cars owners I know already has one , and since the cheapest ones do the job since 2003 , why buy another one again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Today's GPS marketing teams are like cell phones, adding more and more gadgets I do not need, but am expected to pay for.
The brand I want does not cell 2 years ago models, instead offering things like cell-phone-connection (+100$), blue-tooth (+100$), image viewers and even MP3 players.
And of course they sell between 250 and 700.
My feature set should be under 50$ by now.Furthermore 90\% of cars owners I know already has one, and since the cheapest ones do the job since 2003, why buy another one again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28683651</id>
	<title>Re:Call me when phone GPS is any good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247484420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You live in a <i>2 story</i> house? Wow, that is um, like most other houses, which makes the 2 story bit redundant.  A 1 story house would be a bungalow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You live in a 2 story house ?
Wow , that is um , like most other houses , which makes the 2 story bit redundant .
A 1 story house would be a bungalow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You live in a 2 story house?
Wow, that is um, like most other houses, which makes the 2 story bit redundant.
A 1 story house would be a bungalow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636895</id>
	<title>Re:I've got one.</title>
	<author>91degrees</author>
	<datestamp>1247155260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm amazed how far down I had to scroll before someone made this point.  Seemed pretty obvious to me.  <br> <br>
And of course, once the maps are terribly out of date, you just need new maps.  Will be a while before they're cheap enough to want a whole new unit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm amazed how far down I had to scroll before someone made this point .
Seemed pretty obvious to me .
And of course , once the maps are terribly out of date , you just need new maps .
Will be a while before they 're cheap enough to want a whole new unit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm amazed how far down I had to scroll before someone made this point.
Seemed pretty obvious to me.
And of course, once the maps are terribly out of date, you just need new maps.
Will be a while before they're cheap enough to want a whole new unit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636317</id>
	<title>There is still a small market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247153400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still think there is a niche for stand alone GPS. For me, I always use one when hiking and boaters (large water) use them extensively aswell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still think there is a niche for stand alone GPS .
For me , I always use one when hiking and boaters ( large water ) use them extensively aswell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still think there is a niche for stand alone GPS.
For me, I always use one when hiking and boaters (large water) use them extensively aswell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637035</id>
	<title>Optimized is best</title>
	<author>MpVpRb</author>
	<datestamp>1247155860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want a phone that's optimized to be a phone
</p><p>I want a GPS that's optimized to be a GPS
</p><p>Combo devices require compromise
</p><p>Like they say about a duck
</p><p>It doesn't walk well, swim well or fly well, but it walks, swims and flies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want a phone that 's optimized to be a phone I want a GPS that 's optimized to be a GPS Combo devices require compromise Like they say about a duck It does n't walk well , swim well or fly well , but it walks , swims and flies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want a phone that's optimized to be a phone
I want a GPS that's optimized to be a GPS
Combo devices require compromise
Like they say about a duck
It doesn't walk well, swim well or fly well, but it walks, swims and flies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637953</id>
	<title>Re:Call me when phone GPS is any good</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1247159820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I want maps or assisted GPS I have to pay for it.</i></p><p>Is it not true that you have to pay a fee to get updated map data from the GPS provider?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want maps or assisted GPS I have to pay for it.Is it not true that you have to pay a fee to get updated map data from the GPS provider ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want maps or assisted GPS I have to pay for it.Is it not true that you have to pay a fee to get updated map data from the GPS provider?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636663</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636589</id>
	<title>Never even used one, went straight to generalized</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1247154180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never even used a dedicated GPS navigation device at all; I went straight to a general-purpose device in the form of a good Pocket PC (iPAQ hx4700) and a separate Bluetooth GPS receiver (Globalsat BT-338).  The iPAQ does a multitude of other useful things when it's not being used as a navigator (PDA, PIM, MP3 player, Wi-Fi VOIP phone, universal remote control, etc.), has a 4-inch screen to rival most of the dedicated devices, and the batteries in the GPS receiver last 20 hours.  I also have topographic nav software for it as well, so I can pop the extended battery onto the iPAQ and take the pair on the trail for a weekend backpacking trip.  I've also been able to pick and choose from a variety of navigation software to use, which would NOT be an option with a dedicated device.  The combined price tag was larger than an equivalent dedicated device, but the combined capabilities are far greater.</p><p>Garmin, Magellan, TomTom, Navigon... eat your hearts out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never even used a dedicated GPS navigation device at all ; I went straight to a general-purpose device in the form of a good Pocket PC ( iPAQ hx4700 ) and a separate Bluetooth GPS receiver ( Globalsat BT-338 ) .
The iPAQ does a multitude of other useful things when it 's not being used as a navigator ( PDA , PIM , MP3 player , Wi-Fi VOIP phone , universal remote control , etc .
) , has a 4-inch screen to rival most of the dedicated devices , and the batteries in the GPS receiver last 20 hours .
I also have topographic nav software for it as well , so I can pop the extended battery onto the iPAQ and take the pair on the trail for a weekend backpacking trip .
I 've also been able to pick and choose from a variety of navigation software to use , which would NOT be an option with a dedicated device .
The combined price tag was larger than an equivalent dedicated device , but the combined capabilities are far greater.Garmin , Magellan , TomTom , Navigon... eat your hearts out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never even used a dedicated GPS navigation device at all; I went straight to a general-purpose device in the form of a good Pocket PC (iPAQ hx4700) and a separate Bluetooth GPS receiver (Globalsat BT-338).
The iPAQ does a multitude of other useful things when it's not being used as a navigator (PDA, PIM, MP3 player, Wi-Fi VOIP phone, universal remote control, etc.
), has a 4-inch screen to rival most of the dedicated devices, and the batteries in the GPS receiver last 20 hours.
I also have topographic nav software for it as well, so I can pop the extended battery onto the iPAQ and take the pair on the trail for a weekend backpacking trip.
I've also been able to pick and choose from a variety of navigation software to use, which would NOT be an option with a dedicated device.
The combined price tag was larger than an equivalent dedicated device, but the combined capabilities are far greater.Garmin, Magellan, TomTom, Navigon... eat your hearts out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637699</id>
	<title>Re:GPS is all software anyway</title>
	<author>Albanach</author>
	<datestamp>1247158560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>with the iphone and other cell phones becoming more powerful there is no reason to sell hardware anymore since all the value is in the software.</p></div></blockquote><p>That will be true as soon as the iPhone has a 4.3" screen.</p><p>The iphone screen is 5.65 square inches</p><p>My 4.3" GPS has a screen area of 7.9 square inches</p><p>That's 40\% more screen. That means I'm not leaning forward and straining my eyes to read a GPS, instead I can sit back look at the road and glance at a big, clear, easy to read screen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>with the iphone and other cell phones becoming more powerful there is no reason to sell hardware anymore since all the value is in the software.That will be true as soon as the iPhone has a 4.3 " screen.The iphone screen is 5.65 square inchesMy 4.3 " GPS has a screen area of 7.9 square inchesThat 's 40 \ % more screen .
That means I 'm not leaning forward and straining my eyes to read a GPS , instead I can sit back look at the road and glance at a big , clear , easy to read screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with the iphone and other cell phones becoming more powerful there is no reason to sell hardware anymore since all the value is in the software.That will be true as soon as the iPhone has a 4.3" screen.The iphone screen is 5.65 square inchesMy 4.3" GPS has a screen area of 7.9 square inchesThat's 40\% more screen.
That means I'm not leaning forward and straining my eyes to read a GPS, instead I can sit back look at the road and glance at a big, clear, easy to read screen.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636503</id>
	<title>Re:I think there is a bit of a stretch here...</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1247153880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly, the navigation on the iPhone is simply crap compared to my ancient Garman GPS. The iPhone is good for walking, but as for driving, I put in an address and it had me going through non-existant roads (!).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly , the navigation on the iPhone is simply crap compared to my ancient Garman GPS .
The iPhone is good for walking , but as for driving , I put in an address and it had me going through non-existant roads ( !
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly, the navigation on the iPhone is simply crap compared to my ancient Garman GPS.
The iPhone is good for walking, but as for driving, I put in an address and it had me going through non-existant roads (!
).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638247</id>
	<title>Re:Call me when phone GPS is any good</title>
	<author>andymar</author>
	<datestamp>1247161140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once I drove from Thisted to Aarhus ( about 2 1/2 hours drive) and used the 6220 for navigation.
It worked perfectly, also in the city. I just put it in the passenger seat and had the device voice navigate me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once I drove from Thisted to Aarhus ( about 2 1/2 hours drive ) and used the 6220 for navigation .
It worked perfectly , also in the city .
I just put it in the passenger seat and had the device voice navigate me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once I drove from Thisted to Aarhus ( about 2 1/2 hours drive) and used the 6220 for navigation.
It worked perfectly, also in the city.
I just put it in the passenger seat and had the device voice navigate me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636359</id>
	<title>falling sales mean little or nothing</title>
	<author>a2wflc</author>
	<datestamp>1247153460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>29 and 13\% fewer sales may be meaningful, but may not.  How much have sales of other items fallen in this economy?  What \% of people who would use a GPS had bought one in previous years so didn't need one this year.  I've been looking at getting one of these for a few years, and late 2007 was the first time the price &amp; features were what I was looking for.  So I could see 2008 being a big selling year for anyone who wanted one and thus 2009 would be a drop off from 2008.  (I finally bought my first one 2 weeks ago so there's at least one example counter to my argument but I still think it's possible)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>29 and 13 \ % fewer sales may be meaningful , but may not .
How much have sales of other items fallen in this economy ?
What \ % of people who would use a GPS had bought one in previous years so did n't need one this year .
I 've been looking at getting one of these for a few years , and late 2007 was the first time the price &amp; features were what I was looking for .
So I could see 2008 being a big selling year for anyone who wanted one and thus 2009 would be a drop off from 2008 .
( I finally bought my first one 2 weeks ago so there 's at least one example counter to my argument but I still think it 's possible )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>29 and 13\% fewer sales may be meaningful, but may not.
How much have sales of other items fallen in this economy?
What \% of people who would use a GPS had bought one in previous years so didn't need one this year.
I've been looking at getting one of these for a few years, and late 2007 was the first time the price &amp; features were what I was looking for.
So I could see 2008 being a big selling year for anyone who wanted one and thus 2009 would be a drop off from 2008.
(I finally bought my first one 2 weeks ago so there's at least one example counter to my argument but I still think it's possible)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636523</id>
	<title>Oh, really?</title>
	<author>mea37</author>
	<datestamp>1247153940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As TFS itself points out, much of the navigate-by-smartphone market is people who wouldn't have bought a GPS anyway.  Either they didn't like the idea, or for some it would never even have occured to them... but put it in their hands as an add-on to something they do want, and voila!</p><p>The GPS market, meanwhile, has a lot of people who either need and/or are conditioned to believe they need a specialized device rather than an add-on feature to a generic electronic gadget.</p><p>So why would stand-alone GPS sales be down?  Hmm, I just can't seem to think of <a href="http://www.google.com/finance?q=INDEXDJX:.DJI,INDEXSP:.INX,INDEXNASDAQ:.IXIC" title="google.com">any other factor that might be in play</a> [google.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As TFS itself points out , much of the navigate-by-smartphone market is people who would n't have bought a GPS anyway .
Either they did n't like the idea , or for some it would never even have occured to them... but put it in their hands as an add-on to something they do want , and voila ! The GPS market , meanwhile , has a lot of people who either need and/or are conditioned to believe they need a specialized device rather than an add-on feature to a generic electronic gadget.So why would stand-alone GPS sales be down ?
Hmm , I just ca n't seem to think of any other factor that might be in play [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As TFS itself points out, much of the navigate-by-smartphone market is people who wouldn't have bought a GPS anyway.
Either they didn't like the idea, or for some it would never even have occured to them... but put it in their hands as an add-on to something they do want, and voila!The GPS market, meanwhile, has a lot of people who either need and/or are conditioned to believe they need a specialized device rather than an add-on feature to a generic electronic gadget.So why would stand-alone GPS sales be down?
Hmm, I just can't seem to think of any other factor that might be in play [google.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28647439</id>
	<title>Re:I think there is a bit of a stretch here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247223780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>iPhone IS NOT not a turn-by-turn navigation device...yet. So are you seriously comparing Google maps + GPS with a full turn-by-turn device? Gee, I wonder which one will win.

Slashdot is going way down hill.</htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhone IS NOT not a turn-by-turn navigation device...yet .
So are you seriously comparing Google maps + GPS with a full turn-by-turn device ?
Gee , I wonder which one will win .
Slashdot is going way down hill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhone IS NOT not a turn-by-turn navigation device...yet.
So are you seriously comparing Google maps + GPS with a full turn-by-turn device?
Gee, I wonder which one will win.
Slashdot is going way down hill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637883</id>
	<title>Why I don't trust it - they want MONEY</title>
	<author>maillemaker</author>
	<datestamp>1247159460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would be very skeptical of a GPS in my cell phone, as I would expect there to be some kind of fee to use it.</p><p>The thing I like about stand-alone GPS devices is you buy them one time and that's it.  No recurring fees - the GPS system is free to everyone.</p><p>I'm sure if and when they launch a GPS replacement they will try and make it subscription based in order to get the signals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be very skeptical of a GPS in my cell phone , as I would expect there to be some kind of fee to use it.The thing I like about stand-alone GPS devices is you buy them one time and that 's it .
No recurring fees - the GPS system is free to everyone.I 'm sure if and when they launch a GPS replacement they will try and make it subscription based in order to get the signals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be very skeptical of a GPS in my cell phone, as I would expect there to be some kind of fee to use it.The thing I like about stand-alone GPS devices is you buy them one time and that's it.
No recurring fees - the GPS system is free to everyone.I'm sure if and when they launch a GPS replacement they will try and make it subscription based in order to get the signals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636369</id>
	<title>How do PDAs do?</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1247153520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And how about digital cameras? And how are mobiles game consoles going to sell a few years from now?</p><p>Those are other functions cellphones are replacing. We get more and more functionality crammed into fewer and fewer devices. I guess in a few years we'll have cellphone sized computers with jacks to attach keyboards, monitors and other various periphery so we can use them with sensible input and output devices while we're stationary and still retain some or most of the functions while we're mobile.</p><p>What I'd invest in was sensible input/output devices for mobile use. So far, I see very little in that area.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how about digital cameras ?
And how are mobiles game consoles going to sell a few years from now ? Those are other functions cellphones are replacing .
We get more and more functionality crammed into fewer and fewer devices .
I guess in a few years we 'll have cellphone sized computers with jacks to attach keyboards , monitors and other various periphery so we can use them with sensible input and output devices while we 're stationary and still retain some or most of the functions while we 're mobile.What I 'd invest in was sensible input/output devices for mobile use .
So far , I see very little in that area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how about digital cameras?
And how are mobiles game consoles going to sell a few years from now?Those are other functions cellphones are replacing.
We get more and more functionality crammed into fewer and fewer devices.
I guess in a few years we'll have cellphone sized computers with jacks to attach keyboards, monitors and other various periphery so we can use them with sensible input and output devices while we're stationary and still retain some or most of the functions while we're mobile.What I'd invest in was sensible input/output devices for mobile use.
So far, I see very little in that area.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638103</id>
	<title>Re:80\% of iPhone users?</title>
	<author>djrobxx</author>
	<datestamp>1247160600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're right, iPhone doesn't have turn by turn, but that doesn't mean it's not useful while driving.   I have turn by turn in my car's navigation system, but the majority of the time I use my iPhone's Google maps, because it's quicker and easier to specify an address.

iPhone's map does what I need - it shows me where I am and where I need to go.   I don't need a reminder at every intersection.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're right , iPhone does n't have turn by turn , but that does n't mean it 's not useful while driving .
I have turn by turn in my car 's navigation system , but the majority of the time I use my iPhone 's Google maps , because it 's quicker and easier to specify an address .
iPhone 's map does what I need - it shows me where I am and where I need to go .
I do n't need a reminder at every intersection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're right, iPhone doesn't have turn by turn, but that doesn't mean it's not useful while driving.
I have turn by turn in my car's navigation system, but the majority of the time I use my iPhone's Google maps, because it's quicker and easier to specify an address.
iPhone's map does what I need - it shows me where I am and where I need to go.
I don't need a reminder at every intersection.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636655</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636309</id>
	<title>I'm one of them</title>
	<author>bsDaemon</author>
	<datestamp>1247153340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've never owned a stand-alone GPS, but back in January I picked up a Blackberry Storm, which is the first "smart phone" that I've owned.  Frankly, if there is anything about this phone that actually justifies having it, it would most definitely be Google Maps, which can talk to the GPS chip in the phone to find out where I am and were I'm going without having to pay for the Verizon Navigator thing or for a separate GPS device.  If it's not too cliche, I'd say that it really has changed my life for the better as I used to get lost all the time (with a 5-digit Slashdot ID at age 25, I clearly don't get out much).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never owned a stand-alone GPS , but back in January I picked up a Blackberry Storm , which is the first " smart phone " that I 've owned .
Frankly , if there is anything about this phone that actually justifies having it , it would most definitely be Google Maps , which can talk to the GPS chip in the phone to find out where I am and were I 'm going without having to pay for the Verizon Navigator thing or for a separate GPS device .
If it 's not too cliche , I 'd say that it really has changed my life for the better as I used to get lost all the time ( with a 5-digit Slashdot ID at age 25 , I clearly do n't get out much ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never owned a stand-alone GPS, but back in January I picked up a Blackberry Storm, which is the first "smart phone" that I've owned.
Frankly, if there is anything about this phone that actually justifies having it, it would most definitely be Google Maps, which can talk to the GPS chip in the phone to find out where I am and were I'm going without having to pay for the Verizon Navigator thing or for a separate GPS device.
If it's not too cliche, I'd say that it really has changed my life for the better as I used to get lost all the time (with a 5-digit Slashdot ID at age 25, I clearly don't get out much).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28640425</id>
	<title>Aviation</title>
	<author>not-my-real-name</author>
	<datestamp>1247169420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aviation is where GPS rules.  Right now, the FAA is working on shutting down some of the old radio navigation beacons because GPS is so much better.  Garmin also has a big presence in aviation with both hand-held and panel mounted units.  Their new hand-held has GPS, weather provided by XM satellites, and terrain elevation.</p><p>Granted, this is a niche market - you could buy a small stack of laptops for the price of one of the hand-held units and a large stack of laptops for the price of a panel mount unit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aviation is where GPS rules .
Right now , the FAA is working on shutting down some of the old radio navigation beacons because GPS is so much better .
Garmin also has a big presence in aviation with both hand-held and panel mounted units .
Their new hand-held has GPS , weather provided by XM satellites , and terrain elevation.Granted , this is a niche market - you could buy a small stack of laptops for the price of one of the hand-held units and a large stack of laptops for the price of a panel mount unit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aviation is where GPS rules.
Right now, the FAA is working on shutting down some of the old radio navigation beacons because GPS is so much better.
Garmin also has a big presence in aviation with both hand-held and panel mounted units.
Their new hand-held has GPS, weather provided by XM satellites, and terrain elevation.Granted, this is a niche market - you could buy a small stack of laptops for the price of one of the hand-held units and a large stack of laptops for the price of a panel mount unit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636749</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28639411</id>
	<title>Car Computer</title>
	<author>ChaosAddict</author>
	<datestamp>1247165700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think rather than GPS devices going obsolete, they'll transform into car computers which can do things like radio, play mp3s, give directions, browse the web, play videos. Sure, half those things shouldn't be done by the driver, but there are legitimate use cases for each. If it had wifi, it could auto-sync to your home mp3 collection (iPods are nice for portability, but usually it's pretty clumsy to use them in a car). Additionally, they'll link to your cell phone, so you don't even need to take it out of your pocket.<br>
<br>
Phones can do these functions, but they don't really integrate into cars very well. A good phone will have a small screen, so it's not huge in your pocket, which is not a feature you want in an in-car GPS device. A phone GPS could be mounted for easy viewing, but it will still have a small screen. A car will likely have easily accessible music functions, which you then can't use very easily with your phone. Some cars have iPod docks, but that wouldn't necessarily work well for GPS. Not to mention if you want to use these functions from your phone, you'll need to take it out first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think rather than GPS devices going obsolete , they 'll transform into car computers which can do things like radio , play mp3s , give directions , browse the web , play videos .
Sure , half those things should n't be done by the driver , but there are legitimate use cases for each .
If it had wifi , it could auto-sync to your home mp3 collection ( iPods are nice for portability , but usually it 's pretty clumsy to use them in a car ) .
Additionally , they 'll link to your cell phone , so you do n't even need to take it out of your pocket .
Phones can do these functions , but they do n't really integrate into cars very well .
A good phone will have a small screen , so it 's not huge in your pocket , which is not a feature you want in an in-car GPS device .
A phone GPS could be mounted for easy viewing , but it will still have a small screen .
A car will likely have easily accessible music functions , which you then ca n't use very easily with your phone .
Some cars have iPod docks , but that would n't necessarily work well for GPS .
Not to mention if you want to use these functions from your phone , you 'll need to take it out first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think rather than GPS devices going obsolete, they'll transform into car computers which can do things like radio, play mp3s, give directions, browse the web, play videos.
Sure, half those things shouldn't be done by the driver, but there are legitimate use cases for each.
If it had wifi, it could auto-sync to your home mp3 collection (iPods are nice for portability, but usually it's pretty clumsy to use them in a car).
Additionally, they'll link to your cell phone, so you don't even need to take it out of your pocket.
Phones can do these functions, but they don't really integrate into cars very well.
A good phone will have a small screen, so it's not huge in your pocket, which is not a feature you want in an in-car GPS device.
A phone GPS could be mounted for easy viewing, but it will still have a small screen.
A car will likely have easily accessible music functions, which you then can't use very easily with your phone.
Some cars have iPod docks, but that wouldn't necessarily work well for GPS.
Not to mention if you want to use these functions from your phone, you'll need to take it out first.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636457</id>
	<title>Receiver only - no video</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247153700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I read this article, I freaked out!  See, I use a tiny $35 GPS receiver with my Nokia N800. The receiver has 1 button (pwr), a usb charger and a rechargeable battery.  That's it. No screen.  It connects to other devices via Bluetooth.</p><p>These aren't going away, I hope.</p><p>I like that as newer GPS tech becomes available, I don't have to swap a complete unit to get it. Recall the excitement over the SiRFstarIII chip a few years ago?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I read this article , I freaked out !
See , I use a tiny $ 35 GPS receiver with my Nokia N800 .
The receiver has 1 button ( pwr ) , a usb charger and a rechargeable battery .
That 's it .
No screen .
It connects to other devices via Bluetooth.These are n't going away , I hope.I like that as newer GPS tech becomes available , I do n't have to swap a complete unit to get it .
Recall the excitement over the SiRFstarIII chip a few years ago ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I read this article, I freaked out!
See, I use a tiny $35 GPS receiver with my Nokia N800.
The receiver has 1 button (pwr), a usb charger and a rechargeable battery.
That's it.
No screen.
It connects to other devices via Bluetooth.These aren't going away, I hope.I like that as newer GPS tech becomes available, I don't have to swap a complete unit to get it.
Recall the excitement over the SiRFstarIII chip a few years ago?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638755</id>
	<title>Re:Tax Funded GPS...why the hell should we pay?</title>
	<author>SCHecklerX</author>
	<datestamp>1247163300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ATT doesn't charge you for the GPS (google maps works fine).  But if you want turn-by-turn, they'll charge your $10/month for telenav (they call it AT&amp;T navigator).  Not sure what other companies do.  I heard rumors that verizon or sprint disables the radio unless using their software?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ATT does n't charge you for the GPS ( google maps works fine ) .
But if you want turn-by-turn , they 'll charge your $ 10/month for telenav ( they call it AT&amp;T navigator ) .
Not sure what other companies do .
I heard rumors that verizon or sprint disables the radio unless using their software ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ATT doesn't charge you for the GPS (google maps works fine).
But if you want turn-by-turn, they'll charge your $10/month for telenav (they call it AT&amp;T navigator).
Not sure what other companies do.
I heard rumors that verizon or sprint disables the radio unless using their software?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636349</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637539</id>
	<title>Convenience outweighs functionality</title>
	<author>sunking2</author>
	<datestamp>1247157840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First off, obviously GPS units won't become exctinct. However you will see some major players go out of business as sales will shrink in a major way. Partly because people already have them, partly because of smart phones. Sure they aren't as good, but guess what, mp3s aren't as good as CDs either and how many people still use a sony discman rather than an mp3 player (and this transition started back when home ripped mp3s were horrible with hisses and tweets). Fact of the matter is that smart phones with GPS capability can only hurt stand alone GPS sales. And its going to hurt them a lot. Most only care about getting from point a to b and for as often as most people need them it doesn't even have to do so in the best fashion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , obviously GPS units wo n't become exctinct .
However you will see some major players go out of business as sales will shrink in a major way .
Partly because people already have them , partly because of smart phones .
Sure they are n't as good , but guess what , mp3s are n't as good as CDs either and how many people still use a sony discman rather than an mp3 player ( and this transition started back when home ripped mp3s were horrible with hisses and tweets ) .
Fact of the matter is that smart phones with GPS capability can only hurt stand alone GPS sales .
And its going to hurt them a lot .
Most only care about getting from point a to b and for as often as most people need them it does n't even have to do so in the best fashion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, obviously GPS units won't become exctinct.
However you will see some major players go out of business as sales will shrink in a major way.
Partly because people already have them, partly because of smart phones.
Sure they aren't as good, but guess what, mp3s aren't as good as CDs either and how many people still use a sony discman rather than an mp3 player (and this transition started back when home ripped mp3s were horrible with hisses and tweets).
Fact of the matter is that smart phones with GPS capability can only hurt stand alone GPS sales.
And its going to hurt them a lot.
Most only care about getting from point a to b and for as often as most people need them it doesn't even have to do so in the best fashion.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636733</id>
	<title>OTOH, standalone GPSs are CHEAP...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247154720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can get a good standalone nav system for $150 for your car, which doesn't end up costing ungodly-per-month.</p><p>For those who have a smartphone, yeah, the standalone nav system is dead.  But for those unwilling to pay the $40/month more that something like an iPhone costs, the standalone nav systems have an excellent role still to play.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can get a good standalone nav system for $ 150 for your car , which does n't end up costing ungodly-per-month.For those who have a smartphone , yeah , the standalone nav system is dead .
But for those unwilling to pay the $ 40/month more that something like an iPhone costs , the standalone nav systems have an excellent role still to play .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can get a good standalone nav system for $150 for your car, which doesn't end up costing ungodly-per-month.For those who have a smartphone, yeah, the standalone nav system is dead.
But for those unwilling to pay the $40/month more that something like an iPhone costs, the standalone nav systems have an excellent role still to play.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28641947</id>
	<title>Re:I think there is a bit of a stretch here...</title>
	<author>cdrudge</author>
	<datestamp>1247132700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To add along with the downturn in the economy, many that already have a GPS may be finding that upgrading to a newer model or even just updating to newer maps isn't worth the extra expense.  Most areas don't that <i>that</i> many new roads that yearly updates are a necessity I think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To add along with the downturn in the economy , many that already have a GPS may be finding that upgrading to a newer model or even just updating to newer maps is n't worth the extra expense .
Most areas do n't that that many new roads that yearly updates are a necessity I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To add along with the downturn in the economy, many that already have a GPS may be finding that upgrading to a newer model or even just updating to newer maps isn't worth the extra expense.
Most areas don't that that many new roads that yearly updates are a necessity I think.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636255</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636293</id>
	<title>Speaking from under my tinfoil hat...</title>
	<author>Java Pimp</author>
	<datestamp>1247153340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't want my GPS attached to anything that transmits a signal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want my GPS attached to anything that transmits a signal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want my GPS attached to anything that transmits a signal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637307</id>
	<title>won't suffice</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1247156820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a berry at the last job with telenav. It was very slick but telenav was a fee every month, plus ridiculous berry charges. I don't have a job that comes with a berry so I have a cheapie cell now. Do I feel some tech lust when looking at the latest smartphones? Sure, but the monthly fee is like a swift kick to the crotch, erasing all interest. No fucking way I'm paying that much. Get back to me when unmetered data plans are part of the basic package.</p><p>While the downside with stand-alone GPS receivers is that they only get updated maps once a year, the upside is that there's no recurring fee with them. You pays your admission and you pays no more. And the Garmin Navi's have gotten really frickin' cheap! Reliable, dependable, great maps for the areas I drive in.</p><p>I think there will always be a market for stand-alone gps just like there's always going to be a market for bargain basement no-frills cell phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a berry at the last job with telenav .
It was very slick but telenav was a fee every month , plus ridiculous berry charges .
I do n't have a job that comes with a berry so I have a cheapie cell now .
Do I feel some tech lust when looking at the latest smartphones ?
Sure , but the monthly fee is like a swift kick to the crotch , erasing all interest .
No fucking way I 'm paying that much .
Get back to me when unmetered data plans are part of the basic package.While the downside with stand-alone GPS receivers is that they only get updated maps once a year , the upside is that there 's no recurring fee with them .
You pays your admission and you pays no more .
And the Garmin Navi 's have gotten really frickin ' cheap !
Reliable , dependable , great maps for the areas I drive in.I think there will always be a market for stand-alone gps just like there 's always going to be a market for bargain basement no-frills cell phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a berry at the last job with telenav.
It was very slick but telenav was a fee every month, plus ridiculous berry charges.
I don't have a job that comes with a berry so I have a cheapie cell now.
Do I feel some tech lust when looking at the latest smartphones?
Sure, but the monthly fee is like a swift kick to the crotch, erasing all interest.
No fucking way I'm paying that much.
Get back to me when unmetered data plans are part of the basic package.While the downside with stand-alone GPS receivers is that they only get updated maps once a year, the upside is that there's no recurring fee with them.
You pays your admission and you pays no more.
And the Garmin Navi's have gotten really frickin' cheap!
Reliable, dependable, great maps for the areas I drive in.I think there will always be a market for stand-alone gps just like there's always going to be a market for bargain basement no-frills cell phones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636575</id>
	<title>but gps-on-phone guis SUCK</title>
	<author>Speare</author>
	<datestamp>1247154180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>
<p>I've owned a Garmin for well over a decade, and I've not seen one app on any phone that could match it for functionality.  All the apps-on-phones will show you a map (usually network scraped from Google Maps or the like), but very few will have a single-key "Mark This Spot" (aka Man Overboard), or an easy Waypoint database, or easy Routing between waypoints, or measure useful things like Velocity Made Good (velocity towards target, not velocity in your current heading).  I've seen little support for logging tracks to a simple file format you can retrieve for analysis (like geotagging photos from non-phone cameras), because phones and phone apps don't like to support file systems.  When GPS apps actually perform better than GPS units at common GPS tasks, then I'll be interested.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've owned a Garmin for well over a decade , and I 've not seen one app on any phone that could match it for functionality .
All the apps-on-phones will show you a map ( usually network scraped from Google Maps or the like ) , but very few will have a single-key " Mark This Spot " ( aka Man Overboard ) , or an easy Waypoint database , or easy Routing between waypoints , or measure useful things like Velocity Made Good ( velocity towards target , not velocity in your current heading ) .
I 've seen little support for logging tracks to a simple file format you can retrieve for analysis ( like geotagging photos from non-phone cameras ) , because phones and phone apps do n't like to support file systems .
When GPS apps actually perform better than GPS units at common GPS tasks , then I 'll be interested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I've owned a Garmin for well over a decade, and I've not seen one app on any phone that could match it for functionality.
All the apps-on-phones will show you a map (usually network scraped from Google Maps or the like), but very few will have a single-key "Mark This Spot" (aka Man Overboard), or an easy Waypoint database, or easy Routing between waypoints, or measure useful things like Velocity Made Good (velocity towards target, not velocity in your current heading).
I've seen little support for logging tracks to a simple file format you can retrieve for analysis (like geotagging photos from non-phone cameras), because phones and phone apps don't like to support file systems.
When GPS apps actually perform better than GPS units at common GPS tasks, then I'll be interested.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636653</id>
	<title>as few things as possible?</title>
	<author>cbiltcliffe</author>
	<datestamp>1247154420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>....says Andrew DiMarcangelo. "I want to get into my car and do as few things as possible."</p></div><p>I don't want to do anything extra, such as:</p><p>- using my mirrors<br>- using my turn signals<br>- paying attention to traffic<br>- planning lane changes ahead of time<br>- thinking</p><p>That sounds like most of the drivers around where I live....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>....says Andrew DiMarcangelo .
" I want to get into my car and do as few things as possible .
" I do n't want to do anything extra , such as : - using my mirrors- using my turn signals- paying attention to traffic- planning lane changes ahead of time- thinkingThat sounds like most of the drivers around where I live.... : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ....says Andrew DiMarcangelo.
"I want to get into my car and do as few things as possible.
"I don't want to do anything extra, such as:- using my mirrors- using my turn signals- paying attention to traffic- planning lane changes ahead of time- thinkingThat sounds like most of the drivers around where I live.... :-)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636891</id>
	<title>Self tracking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247155260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's amazing how easy it was to get people to willing provide precise tracking data about themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's amazing how easy it was to get people to willing provide precise tracking data about themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's amazing how easy it was to get people to willing provide precise tracking data about themselves.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636529</id>
	<title>GPS is all software anyway</title>
	<author>alen</author>
	<datestamp>1247153940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only reason Garmin and TomTom sold hardware was because there was no other way. with the iphone and other cell phones becoming more powerful there is no reason to sell hardware anymore since all the value is in the software. TomTom is going to sell a whole kit for the iphone that includes the software, and a way to mount it on your windshield and plug it in so the battery doesn't wear out</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only reason Garmin and TomTom sold hardware was because there was no other way .
with the iphone and other cell phones becoming more powerful there is no reason to sell hardware anymore since all the value is in the software .
TomTom is going to sell a whole kit for the iphone that includes the software , and a way to mount it on your windshield and plug it in so the battery does n't wear out</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only reason Garmin and TomTom sold hardware was because there was no other way.
with the iphone and other cell phones becoming more powerful there is no reason to sell hardware anymore since all the value is in the software.
TomTom is going to sell a whole kit for the iphone that includes the software, and a way to mount it on your windshield and plug it in so the battery doesn't wear out</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636677</id>
	<title>A good thing!</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247154480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And here slashdot was just <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/09/0150239" title="slashdot.org">saying</a> [slashdot.org] that satnav was going to destroy local knowlege!</p><p>I have GPS on my phone, but I don't use it, as I suspect it will cost me. Maps are cheap and disposable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And here slashdot was just saying [ slashdot.org ] that satnav was going to destroy local knowlege ! I have GPS on my phone , but I do n't use it , as I suspect it will cost me .
Maps are cheap and disposable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here slashdot was just saying [slashdot.org] that satnav was going to destroy local knowlege!I have GPS on my phone, but I don't use it, as I suspect it will cost me.
Maps are cheap and disposable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637701</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking from under my tinfoil hat...</title>
	<author>Chris Mattern</author>
	<datestamp>1247158560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I don't want my GPS attached to anything that transmits a signal.</p></div></blockquote><p>That would make getting map updates rather inconvenient, I would think.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't want my GPS attached to anything that transmits a signal.That would make getting map updates rather inconvenient , I would think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't want my GPS attached to anything that transmits a signal.That would make getting map updates rather inconvenient, I would think.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636429</id>
	<title>Re:87.2674\% of statistics are made up</title>
	<author>nizo</author>
	<datestamp>1247153640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After all, everyone knows that 78\% of statistics that sound like they were made up really are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After all , everyone knows that 78 \ % of statistics that sound like they were made up really are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After all, everyone knows that 78\% of statistics that sound like they were made up really are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637395</id>
	<title>I still prefer the Garmin GPS over the phone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247157240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I prefer using my serial Garmin GPS on the laptop for long road trips or wardriving.  The cell does have GPS, but I haven't used it since I found its limitations don't suit my needs.  Cell GPS coverage is spotty since it is assisted GPS and I can't seem to poll the phone for use with the wardriving equipment.  The cell also doesn't seem to have the accuracy of the serial GPS - the serial version updates faster with new positions.</p><p>Finally the Verizon navigation software on the phone was extremely buggy - it crashed every 15 minutes and had to power cycle the phone to revive it every time.  At least with GPSdrive+Kismet+gpsd on Linux, I haven't had that problem aside from forgetting to plug the laptop into the ac adapter.</p><p>For most of the population though, the phone probably works just fine, and likely better than lugging around a laptop+GPS equipment.  For my purposes though, the external GPS makes better sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I prefer using my serial Garmin GPS on the laptop for long road trips or wardriving .
The cell does have GPS , but I have n't used it since I found its limitations do n't suit my needs .
Cell GPS coverage is spotty since it is assisted GPS and I ca n't seem to poll the phone for use with the wardriving equipment .
The cell also does n't seem to have the accuracy of the serial GPS - the serial version updates faster with new positions.Finally the Verizon navigation software on the phone was extremely buggy - it crashed every 15 minutes and had to power cycle the phone to revive it every time .
At least with GPSdrive + Kismet + gpsd on Linux , I have n't had that problem aside from forgetting to plug the laptop into the ac adapter.For most of the population though , the phone probably works just fine , and likely better than lugging around a laptop + GPS equipment .
For my purposes though , the external GPS makes better sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I prefer using my serial Garmin GPS on the laptop for long road trips or wardriving.
The cell does have GPS, but I haven't used it since I found its limitations don't suit my needs.
Cell GPS coverage is spotty since it is assisted GPS and I can't seem to poll the phone for use with the wardriving equipment.
The cell also doesn't seem to have the accuracy of the serial GPS - the serial version updates faster with new positions.Finally the Verizon navigation software on the phone was extremely buggy - it crashed every 15 minutes and had to power cycle the phone to revive it every time.
At least with GPSdrive+Kismet+gpsd on Linux, I haven't had that problem aside from forgetting to plug the laptop into the ac adapter.For most of the population though, the phone probably works just fine, and likely better than lugging around a laptop+GPS equipment.
For my purposes though, the external GPS makes better sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28640101</id>
	<title>Re:Vehicle navigation, but not anything else</title>
	<author>angst\_ridden\_hipster</author>
	<datestamp>1247168220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, I don't know of any GPS-enabled smartphones that have enhancements like WAAS, which can be very helpful where available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , I do n't know of any GPS-enabled smartphones that have enhancements like WAAS , which can be very helpful where available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, I don't know of any GPS-enabled smartphones that have enhancements like WAAS, which can be very helpful where available.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637817</id>
	<title>More drivel from the marketeers</title>
	<author>GlobalMind</author>
	<datestamp>1247159160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's idiocy is thinking how you like to use a device is how everyone else will want to use one.  GPS on my phone might be nice but so is my Garmin. It has a much larger screen, doesn't depend on a cell network to function and I can easily mount it forward in the vehicle to see while driving.</p><p>I just love it when some fool reporter tries to push an agenda or tell me how I'm supposed to use a product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's idiocy is thinking how you like to use a device is how everyone else will want to use one .
GPS on my phone might be nice but so is my Garmin .
It has a much larger screen , does n't depend on a cell network to function and I can easily mount it forward in the vehicle to see while driving.I just love it when some fool reporter tries to push an agenda or tell me how I 'm supposed to use a product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's idiocy is thinking how you like to use a device is how everyone else will want to use one.
GPS on my phone might be nice but so is my Garmin.
It has a much larger screen, doesn't depend on a cell network to function and I can easily mount it forward in the vehicle to see while driving.I just love it when some fool reporter tries to push an agenda or tell me how I'm supposed to use a product.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638109</id>
	<title>Re:Tax Funded GPS...why the hell should we pay?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1247160660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do know how GPS works, right?  I mean, I only have a general sense of it, but what your tax dollars are paying for is just the satellites, and the satellites basically just broadcast the time (maybe that's not exactly it, but like I said, I only have a general sense).
</p><p>So you still need a device that's going to receive the signal and convert that to a position, which means hardware costs.  You still need someone to provide the map and routing directions, and someone is going to have to pay the voice actors for your audible directions, all of which is also going to cost money.  If you want to keep those maps up to date, someone is going to have to do work there, and they're going to need some kind of business model to pay for people to travel the country updating maps.
</p><p>Your tax dollars don't pay for most of that stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do know how GPS works , right ?
I mean , I only have a general sense of it , but what your tax dollars are paying for is just the satellites , and the satellites basically just broadcast the time ( maybe that 's not exactly it , but like I said , I only have a general sense ) .
So you still need a device that 's going to receive the signal and convert that to a position , which means hardware costs .
You still need someone to provide the map and routing directions , and someone is going to have to pay the voice actors for your audible directions , all of which is also going to cost money .
If you want to keep those maps up to date , someone is going to have to do work there , and they 're going to need some kind of business model to pay for people to travel the country updating maps .
Your tax dollars do n't pay for most of that stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do know how GPS works, right?
I mean, I only have a general sense of it, but what your tax dollars are paying for is just the satellites, and the satellites basically just broadcast the time (maybe that's not exactly it, but like I said, I only have a general sense).
So you still need a device that's going to receive the signal and convert that to a position, which means hardware costs.
You still need someone to provide the map and routing directions, and someone is going to have to pay the voice actors for your audible directions, all of which is also going to cost money.
If you want to keep those maps up to date, someone is going to have to do work there, and they're going to need some kind of business model to pay for people to travel the country updating maps.
Your tax dollars don't pay for most of that stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636439</id>
	<title>No iPhone TomTom, stop pretending there is</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1247153700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, TomTom announced they will be making a GPS app.</p><p>I also announced that I would be making a turn by turn directions app the day the iPhone SDK comes out.</p><p>Now I know I'm not going to finish my project so thats out, but I'm quiet sick of hearing 'announcements' saying 'we've got XXX!!!@$!@\%!@#\%' and not seeing it for months.</p><p>If you go to the TomTom page for the iPhone version you see 'Turn by turn car navigation for iPhone is here'.</p><p>I call bullshit.  Its not here, if it was here I'd have bought it or at least see it on the App Store.</p><p>This kind of bullshit advertising needs to stop, and sites like slashdot need to stop promoting this bullshit until it actually exists.</p><p>Press releases and news stories about shit that doesn't actually exist yet need to stop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , TomTom announced they will be making a GPS app.I also announced that I would be making a turn by turn directions app the day the iPhone SDK comes out.Now I know I 'm not going to finish my project so thats out , but I 'm quiet sick of hearing 'announcements ' saying 'we 've got XXX ! ! ! @ $ ! @ \ % !
@ # \ % ' and not seeing it for months.If you go to the TomTom page for the iPhone version you see 'Turn by turn car navigation for iPhone is here'.I call bullshit .
Its not here , if it was here I 'd have bought it or at least see it on the App Store.This kind of bullshit advertising needs to stop , and sites like slashdot need to stop promoting this bullshit until it actually exists.Press releases and news stories about shit that does n't actually exist yet need to stop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, TomTom announced they will be making a GPS app.I also announced that I would be making a turn by turn directions app the day the iPhone SDK comes out.Now I know I'm not going to finish my project so thats out, but I'm quiet sick of hearing 'announcements' saying 'we've got XXX!!!@$!@\%!
@#\%' and not seeing it for months.If you go to the TomTom page for the iPhone version you see 'Turn by turn car navigation for iPhone is here'.I call bullshit.
Its not here, if it was here I'd have bought it or at least see it on the App Store.This kind of bullshit advertising needs to stop, and sites like slashdot need to stop promoting this bullshit until it actually exists.Press releases and news stories about shit that doesn't actually exist yet need to stop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638003</id>
	<title>Re:I want a HUD in my car</title>
	<author>tompaulco</author>
	<datestamp>1247160120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Honestly, how expensive can it be to put the video on the dash instead of throwing it on some 3rd-party mount, or in the already-cramped control console?</i> <br>
I put a GPS with a 6" diagonal screen in the center console of my Lexus ES300. It replaces the stock AM/FM/Multidisc CD Controller, while also maintaining all of those functions, plus it also has an internal single disc CD. This is even better than a handheld GPS because it also receives velocity information from the vehicle computer and contains gyros so that if you go into a tunnel, it will continue to track fairly accurately. I'm sure this comes in handy in big cities with tall buildings, and/or streets under elevated tracks, or lower levels like Lower Wacker in Chicago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , how expensive can it be to put the video on the dash instead of throwing it on some 3rd-party mount , or in the already-cramped control console ?
I put a GPS with a 6 " diagonal screen in the center console of my Lexus ES300 .
It replaces the stock AM/FM/Multidisc CD Controller , while also maintaining all of those functions , plus it also has an internal single disc CD .
This is even better than a handheld GPS because it also receives velocity information from the vehicle computer and contains gyros so that if you go into a tunnel , it will continue to track fairly accurately .
I 'm sure this comes in handy in big cities with tall buildings , and/or streets under elevated tracks , or lower levels like Lower Wacker in Chicago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, how expensive can it be to put the video on the dash instead of throwing it on some 3rd-party mount, or in the already-cramped control console?
I put a GPS with a 6" diagonal screen in the center console of my Lexus ES300.
It replaces the stock AM/FM/Multidisc CD Controller, while also maintaining all of those functions, plus it also has an internal single disc CD.
This is even better than a handheld GPS because it also receives velocity information from the vehicle computer and contains gyros so that if you go into a tunnel, it will continue to track fairly accurately.
I'm sure this comes in handy in big cities with tall buildings, and/or streets under elevated tracks, or lower levels like Lower Wacker in Chicago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636255</id>
	<title>I think there is a bit of a stretch here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247153220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>With the downturn in the economy it only stands to figure that gizmos like GPS are falling off a lot of people's shopping lists. I won't deny that some are taking the cheaper route and using an existing device for their nav but how many are using it because they have it and not because they really wanted it to begin with?<br> <br>Couple this with more and more cars coming equipped with these devices already installed.<br> <br>Between these three factors I think it's a bit easier to see where the slide is happening. Simply assuming that it's all phone based is short sighted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With the downturn in the economy it only stands to figure that gizmos like GPS are falling off a lot of people 's shopping lists .
I wo n't deny that some are taking the cheaper route and using an existing device for their nav but how many are using it because they have it and not because they really wanted it to begin with ?
Couple this with more and more cars coming equipped with these devices already installed .
Between these three factors I think it 's a bit easier to see where the slide is happening .
Simply assuming that it 's all phone based is short sighted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the downturn in the economy it only stands to figure that gizmos like GPS are falling off a lot of people's shopping lists.
I won't deny that some are taking the cheaper route and using an existing device for their nav but how many are using it because they have it and not because they really wanted it to begin with?
Couple this with more and more cars coming equipped with these devices already installed.
Between these three factors I think it's a bit easier to see where the slide is happening.
Simply assuming that it's all phone based is short sighted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638013</id>
	<title>Re:I've got one.</title>
	<author>drb\_chimaera</author>
	<datestamp>1247160180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Likewise - I won't replace mine until the current one breaks, and will only bother to update the maps if the current ones are hideously inaccurate - on my two-year old Tom Tom I have found only two map inaccuracies on my travels - one is in my home city so isn't a problem as I never use it for navigating here, and the other is right by a family member in London, again in an area I know well.</p><p>Personally I have several devices that are GPS enabled, but I still only use the Tom Tom in the car - simple reason is its a big touchscreen interface so if I do need to interact with it I can do so easily, while the small (by comparison) non-touchscreen of either of my phones make them singularly unsuited for such use (well unless I pulled over first of course).</p><p>In saying that, however, my phone having GPS and maps capability *has* come in handy when on foot and lost in an unfamiliar city - the interface issues aren't a factor then, but the convenience of having the capaility when in such a situation is huge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Likewise - I wo n't replace mine until the current one breaks , and will only bother to update the maps if the current ones are hideously inaccurate - on my two-year old Tom Tom I have found only two map inaccuracies on my travels - one is in my home city so is n't a problem as I never use it for navigating here , and the other is right by a family member in London , again in an area I know well.Personally I have several devices that are GPS enabled , but I still only use the Tom Tom in the car - simple reason is its a big touchscreen interface so if I do need to interact with it I can do so easily , while the small ( by comparison ) non-touchscreen of either of my phones make them singularly unsuited for such use ( well unless I pulled over first of course ) .In saying that , however , my phone having GPS and maps capability * has * come in handy when on foot and lost in an unfamiliar city - the interface issues are n't a factor then , but the convenience of having the capaility when in such a situation is huge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Likewise - I won't replace mine until the current one breaks, and will only bother to update the maps if the current ones are hideously inaccurate - on my two-year old Tom Tom I have found only two map inaccuracies on my travels - one is in my home city so isn't a problem as I never use it for navigating here, and the other is right by a family member in London, again in an area I know well.Personally I have several devices that are GPS enabled, but I still only use the Tom Tom in the car - simple reason is its a big touchscreen interface so if I do need to interact with it I can do so easily, while the small (by comparison) non-touchscreen of either of my phones make them singularly unsuited for such use (well unless I pulled over first of course).In saying that, however, my phone having GPS and maps capability *has* come in handy when on foot and lost in an unfamiliar city - the interface issues aren't a factor then, but the convenience of having the capaility when in such a situation is huge.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637993</id>
	<title>Re:I think there is a bit of a stretch here...</title>
	<author>horatio</author>
	<datestamp>1247160060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a nuvi660 and an iPhone (3G, to be fair).  I've tried using the iPhone as a GPS while driving and it is terrible.  It doesn't speak the directions, so you have to constantly look at the little bitty purple line on the screen and figure out based on the even smaller dot that represents you, where the next turn will be.  If you miss a turn, the dot just keeps going, but the purple line stays where it was - no automatically recalculating the route.
<br> <br>
I'm sure as hell not paying yet another $10/month subscription fee to AT&amp;T for their turn-by-turn directions.  My garmin does exactly what it is supposed to and does it fairly well.  It also works in places where AT&amp;T has almost zero coverage - spent 90\% of my recent holiday with "No Service" message on my iPhone.  And for the record, just because your phone *is* connected to a network and can get real-time updates, doesn't mean it is any more accurate than the Garmin which I update quarterly.  I've used the iPhone maps application to look up several places which when I arrived - no longer exist.
<br> <br>
The advantage the iPhone gives me, as far as navigation, is to be able to look up a place's address (using the massive database of the internet) and punch that into my Garmin.
<br> <br>
Here in Columbus (OH) the garmin (FM?) traffic only seems to notify me about events (traffic congestion, accident, etc) on major freeways.  I don't think I've gotten any notices about surface streets.  It has directed me around freeways closed due to accidents.  It however, seems to lack any information about the multiple ramp closures (construction) on one of the main freeways here in town.  Which is super annoying to say the least.  Multiple consecutive exits are closed - so finding an alternate route before you get to the exit(s) you can't take would be exactly why I paid the fee for the traffic updates.  I'm sure that is at least partially the fault of whoever is supposed to input the data locally - because the iPhone directions I just tried are ALSO right now (as a test) giving me instructions to take the same exit ramps that are closed.
<br> <br>
So much for the "real-time" iPhone updates being better than the Garmin.  What would really be ideal, because obviously the iPhone at least has a <i>better</i> chance of having more recent information, is to let the iPhone feed the Garmin real-time data over bluetooth.  Be that traffic, weather, road closures, POIs, or even be able to tell the iPhone "send this destination to my garmin"</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a nuvi660 and an iPhone ( 3G , to be fair ) .
I 've tried using the iPhone as a GPS while driving and it is terrible .
It does n't speak the directions , so you have to constantly look at the little bitty purple line on the screen and figure out based on the even smaller dot that represents you , where the next turn will be .
If you miss a turn , the dot just keeps going , but the purple line stays where it was - no automatically recalculating the route .
I 'm sure as hell not paying yet another $ 10/month subscription fee to AT&amp;T for their turn-by-turn directions .
My garmin does exactly what it is supposed to and does it fairly well .
It also works in places where AT&amp;T has almost zero coverage - spent 90 \ % of my recent holiday with " No Service " message on my iPhone .
And for the record , just because your phone * is * connected to a network and can get real-time updates , does n't mean it is any more accurate than the Garmin which I update quarterly .
I 've used the iPhone maps application to look up several places which when I arrived - no longer exist .
The advantage the iPhone gives me , as far as navigation , is to be able to look up a place 's address ( using the massive database of the internet ) and punch that into my Garmin .
Here in Columbus ( OH ) the garmin ( FM ?
) traffic only seems to notify me about events ( traffic congestion , accident , etc ) on major freeways .
I do n't think I 've gotten any notices about surface streets .
It has directed me around freeways closed due to accidents .
It however , seems to lack any information about the multiple ramp closures ( construction ) on one of the main freeways here in town .
Which is super annoying to say the least .
Multiple consecutive exits are closed - so finding an alternate route before you get to the exit ( s ) you ca n't take would be exactly why I paid the fee for the traffic updates .
I 'm sure that is at least partially the fault of whoever is supposed to input the data locally - because the iPhone directions I just tried are ALSO right now ( as a test ) giving me instructions to take the same exit ramps that are closed .
So much for the " real-time " iPhone updates being better than the Garmin .
What would really be ideal , because obviously the iPhone at least has a better chance of having more recent information , is to let the iPhone feed the Garmin real-time data over bluetooth .
Be that traffic , weather , road closures , POIs , or even be able to tell the iPhone " send this destination to my garmin "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a nuvi660 and an iPhone (3G, to be fair).
I've tried using the iPhone as a GPS while driving and it is terrible.
It doesn't speak the directions, so you have to constantly look at the little bitty purple line on the screen and figure out based on the even smaller dot that represents you, where the next turn will be.
If you miss a turn, the dot just keeps going, but the purple line stays where it was - no automatically recalculating the route.
I'm sure as hell not paying yet another $10/month subscription fee to AT&amp;T for their turn-by-turn directions.
My garmin does exactly what it is supposed to and does it fairly well.
It also works in places where AT&amp;T has almost zero coverage - spent 90\% of my recent holiday with "No Service" message on my iPhone.
And for the record, just because your phone *is* connected to a network and can get real-time updates, doesn't mean it is any more accurate than the Garmin which I update quarterly.
I've used the iPhone maps application to look up several places which when I arrived - no longer exist.
The advantage the iPhone gives me, as far as navigation, is to be able to look up a place's address (using the massive database of the internet) and punch that into my Garmin.
Here in Columbus (OH) the garmin (FM?
) traffic only seems to notify me about events (traffic congestion, accident, etc) on major freeways.
I don't think I've gotten any notices about surface streets.
It has directed me around freeways closed due to accidents.
It however, seems to lack any information about the multiple ramp closures (construction) on one of the main freeways here in town.
Which is super annoying to say the least.
Multiple consecutive exits are closed - so finding an alternate route before you get to the exit(s) you can't take would be exactly why I paid the fee for the traffic updates.
I'm sure that is at least partially the fault of whoever is supposed to input the data locally - because the iPhone directions I just tried are ALSO right now (as a test) giving me instructions to take the same exit ramps that are closed.
So much for the "real-time" iPhone updates being better than the Garmin.
What would really be ideal, because obviously the iPhone at least has a better chance of having more recent information, is to let the iPhone feed the Garmin real-time data over bluetooth.
Be that traffic, weather, road closures, POIs, or even be able to tell the iPhone "send this destination to my garmin"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28651371</id>
	<title>AGPS Works Dif</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247247180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most smartphones use AGPS (assisted GPS) which require a data connection to a cell phone tower to function. They basically offload the processing of the received satellite signals to a remote server with more horsepower. No data connection, no satellite fix. Other smartphones rely on timing signals or satellite location data from a cell tower to get its initial fix. The iPhone does use AGPS rather than regular GPS, but I'm not sure what augmentation it uses. Regardless, since most smartphones won't have GPS functionality away from cell towers, that means they cannot replace stand alone GPS units for hikers, boaters, and others who routinely go where there is no cell service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most smartphones use AGPS ( assisted GPS ) which require a data connection to a cell phone tower to function .
They basically offload the processing of the received satellite signals to a remote server with more horsepower .
No data connection , no satellite fix .
Other smartphones rely on timing signals or satellite location data from a cell tower to get its initial fix .
The iPhone does use AGPS rather than regular GPS , but I 'm not sure what augmentation it uses .
Regardless , since most smartphones wo n't have GPS functionality away from cell towers , that means they can not replace stand alone GPS units for hikers , boaters , and others who routinely go where there is no cell service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most smartphones use AGPS (assisted GPS) which require a data connection to a cell phone tower to function.
They basically offload the processing of the received satellite signals to a remote server with more horsepower.
No data connection, no satellite fix.
Other smartphones rely on timing signals or satellite location data from a cell tower to get its initial fix.
The iPhone does use AGPS rather than regular GPS, but I'm not sure what augmentation it uses.
Regardless, since most smartphones won't have GPS functionality away from cell towers, that means they cannot replace stand alone GPS units for hikers, boaters, and others who routinely go where there is no cell service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637267</id>
	<title>I Don't Like Carrying Around a ManBag...</title>
	<author>Rjak</author>
	<datestamp>1247156700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the past, travelling or just going out has meant carrying some combination of my Palm Treo, my Sirius Stiletto, my TomTom, my PSP or my Zune (never all at once, mind you).  The iPhone has already made going out and staying on the grid WAY easier for me, so I'm very much looking forward to the TomTom iPhone car mount.</p><p>Now the only piece of tech I'll need to keep around is the Stiletto for long road trips.</p><p>I'm 100\% in favour of this mobile convergence that's going on.  If there's one space that *NEEDS* convergence, it's the mobile space.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the past , travelling or just going out has meant carrying some combination of my Palm Treo , my Sirius Stiletto , my TomTom , my PSP or my Zune ( never all at once , mind you ) .
The iPhone has already made going out and staying on the grid WAY easier for me , so I 'm very much looking forward to the TomTom iPhone car mount.Now the only piece of tech I 'll need to keep around is the Stiletto for long road trips.I 'm 100 \ % in favour of this mobile convergence that 's going on .
If there 's one space that * NEEDS * convergence , it 's the mobile space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the past, travelling or just going out has meant carrying some combination of my Palm Treo, my Sirius Stiletto, my TomTom, my PSP or my Zune (never all at once, mind you).
The iPhone has already made going out and staying on the grid WAY easier for me, so I'm very much looking forward to the TomTom iPhone car mount.Now the only piece of tech I'll need to keep around is the Stiletto for long road trips.I'm 100\% in favour of this mobile convergence that's going on.
If there's one space that *NEEDS* convergence, it's the mobile space.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636275</id>
	<title>Except for Verizon Wireless Cutsomers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247153280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's hard to use your phone for navigation when your only choice is paying extra for the service provider's half assed navigation app because they disable GPS on all their phones.  And they prevent non-official apps from using aGPS too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's hard to use your phone for navigation when your only choice is paying extra for the service provider 's half assed navigation app because they disable GPS on all their phones .
And they prevent non-official apps from using aGPS too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's hard to use your phone for navigation when your only choice is paying extra for the service provider's half assed navigation app because they disable GPS on all their phones.
And they prevent non-official apps from using aGPS too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638825</id>
	<title>Re:People like my Dad...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247163540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I also know a number of hunters and hikers who go to places were the GPS in cell phones won't work, but a GPS receiver still will."</p><p>What would these places be? Are you confusing here the phones without GPS with phones with GPS? Otherwise I agree that dedicated GPS device is much better than phone based GPS for now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I also know a number of hunters and hikers who go to places were the GPS in cell phones wo n't work , but a GPS receiver still will .
" What would these places be ?
Are you confusing here the phones without GPS with phones with GPS ?
Otherwise I agree that dedicated GPS device is much better than phone based GPS for now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I also know a number of hunters and hikers who go to places were the GPS in cell phones won't work, but a GPS receiver still will.
"What would these places be?
Are you confusing here the phones without GPS with phones with GPS?
Otherwise I agree that dedicated GPS device is much better than phone based GPS for now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637561</id>
	<title>Standalone GPS Going the Way of the Dodo ...</title>
	<author>hwyhobo</author>
	<datestamp>1247157960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... just like digital cameras have disappeared because of the arrival of camera phones.</p><p>Sheesh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... just like digital cameras have disappeared because of the arrival of camera phones.Sheesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... just like digital cameras have disappeared because of the arrival of camera phones.Sheesh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28640689</id>
	<title>iPhone 3GS vs Garmin GPSmap 76CSx</title>
	<author>Sharkus</author>
	<datestamp>1247170380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a Garmin GPSmap 76CSx, purchased it a year or so to aid with sailing as I liked the blue chat maps. It's a great device, waterproof, mapping is good, ease of use is good. I also use it on land as well.<br> <br>

I've also got an iPhone 3GS and the GPS is pretty good, but if you don't have internet access then lookups on things are not going to work, and with a dedicated GPS that has the mapset installed on it, that's not a real big problem - of course items not being totally up to date could be an issue.<br> <br>

If Garmin decided to have an iPhone viewer and enabled me to use my existing maps then I would seriously consider ditching my 76CSx. Of course a waterproof case for the iPhone would be required as well, but that is probably available.<br> <br>

I am going to look at Navionics as I believe they do have an iPhone viewer app, and they also do marine mapping, so perhaps switching to a different map provider may be an option to go totally iPhone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Garmin GPSmap 76CSx , purchased it a year or so to aid with sailing as I liked the blue chat maps .
It 's a great device , waterproof , mapping is good , ease of use is good .
I also use it on land as well .
I 've also got an iPhone 3GS and the GPS is pretty good , but if you do n't have internet access then lookups on things are not going to work , and with a dedicated GPS that has the mapset installed on it , that 's not a real big problem - of course items not being totally up to date could be an issue .
If Garmin decided to have an iPhone viewer and enabled me to use my existing maps then I would seriously consider ditching my 76CSx .
Of course a waterproof case for the iPhone would be required as well , but that is probably available .
I am going to look at Navionics as I believe they do have an iPhone viewer app , and they also do marine mapping , so perhaps switching to a different map provider may be an option to go totally iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Garmin GPSmap 76CSx, purchased it a year or so to aid with sailing as I liked the blue chat maps.
It's a great device, waterproof, mapping is good, ease of use is good.
I also use it on land as well.
I've also got an iPhone 3GS and the GPS is pretty good, but if you don't have internet access then lookups on things are not going to work, and with a dedicated GPS that has the mapset installed on it, that's not a real big problem - of course items not being totally up to date could be an issue.
If Garmin decided to have an iPhone viewer and enabled me to use my existing maps then I would seriously consider ditching my 76CSx.
Of course a waterproof case for the iPhone would be required as well, but that is probably available.
I am going to look at Navionics as I believe they do have an iPhone viewer app, and they also do marine mapping, so perhaps switching to a different map provider may be an option to go totally iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636749</id>
	<title>Still might be a niche market</title>
	<author>HikingStick</author>
	<datestamp>1247154780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the GPS system continues to be maintained, there may still be a niche market for stand-alone GPS devices.  I enjoy wilderness treks, often via canoe, and that's one area where a stand-alone GPS makes some sense.  In such areas, there's usually no phone reception, and little need to worry about calendars, address books, or other such features.  In the backcountry, my primary concern would be battery life, and any device with extraneous features would simply chew through more power faster. <br> <br>My primary use for GPS is not navigation, however--it's for tracking my route once I return home. Somemay use GPS for wilderness navigation, but unless you are carrying a portable solar charger and/or extra batteries, they have limited uses on long trips.  Ideally, I'd love to see self-contained GPS recorders (no screen or UI beyond a "recording" LED, and perhaps a control to allow the frequency of writes to flash) with attached solar cells, so I can simply carry the device and set it out in the sun to charge.  That, however, is another topic, about an idea I'll never be able to afford to make happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the GPS system continues to be maintained , there may still be a niche market for stand-alone GPS devices .
I enjoy wilderness treks , often via canoe , and that 's one area where a stand-alone GPS makes some sense .
In such areas , there 's usually no phone reception , and little need to worry about calendars , address books , or other such features .
In the backcountry , my primary concern would be battery life , and any device with extraneous features would simply chew through more power faster .
My primary use for GPS is not navigation , however--it 's for tracking my route once I return home .
Somemay use GPS for wilderness navigation , but unless you are carrying a portable solar charger and/or extra batteries , they have limited uses on long trips .
Ideally , I 'd love to see self-contained GPS recorders ( no screen or UI beyond a " recording " LED , and perhaps a control to allow the frequency of writes to flash ) with attached solar cells , so I can simply carry the device and set it out in the sun to charge .
That , however , is another topic , about an idea I 'll never be able to afford to make happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the GPS system continues to be maintained, there may still be a niche market for stand-alone GPS devices.
I enjoy wilderness treks, often via canoe, and that's one area where a stand-alone GPS makes some sense.
In such areas, there's usually no phone reception, and little need to worry about calendars, address books, or other such features.
In the backcountry, my primary concern would be battery life, and any device with extraneous features would simply chew through more power faster.
My primary use for GPS is not navigation, however--it's for tracking my route once I return home.
Somemay use GPS for wilderness navigation, but unless you are carrying a portable solar charger and/or extra batteries, they have limited uses on long trips.
Ideally, I'd love to see self-contained GPS recorders (no screen or UI beyond a "recording" LED, and perhaps a control to allow the frequency of writes to flash) with attached solar cells, so I can simply carry the device and set it out in the sun to charge.
That, however, is another topic, about an idea I'll never be able to afford to make happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637931</id>
	<title>Re:Tax Funded GPS...why the hell should we pay?</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1247159700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Never, and I repeat, NEVER agree to pay for GPS "service." You already have in your federal taxes.</p></div><p>Never, and I repeat, NEVER agree to pay for transportation "service". You already have in your federal taxes.</p><p>See how dumb that sounds?  You've paid to build out the infrastructure, but that doesn't mean you're entitled to the means to access it for free.  Buy a car, buy a GPS, and buy a GPS app.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never , and I repeat , NEVER agree to pay for GPS " service .
" You already have in your federal taxes.Never , and I repeat , NEVER agree to pay for transportation " service " .
You already have in your federal taxes.See how dumb that sounds ?
You 've paid to build out the infrastructure , but that does n't mean you 're entitled to the means to access it for free .
Buy a car , buy a GPS , and buy a GPS app .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never, and I repeat, NEVER agree to pay for GPS "service.
" You already have in your federal taxes.Never, and I repeat, NEVER agree to pay for transportation "service".
You already have in your federal taxes.See how dumb that sounds?
You've paid to build out the infrastructure, but that doesn't mean you're entitled to the means to access it for free.
Buy a car, buy a GPS, and buy a GPS app.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638849</id>
	<title>Re:Vehicle navigation, but not anything else</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247163660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Most phones do not use standard AA or AAA batteries, making it more difficult and expensive to carry spares out away from electrical connections.</i></p><p>The jesusphone doesn't even have user replaceable batteries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most phones do not use standard AA or AAA batteries , making it more difficult and expensive to carry spares out away from electrical connections.The jesusphone does n't even have user replaceable batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most phones do not use standard AA or AAA batteries, making it more difficult and expensive to carry spares out away from electrical connections.The jesusphone doesn't even have user replaceable batteries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636567</id>
	<title>Re:I like standalone GPS</title>
	<author>Bakkster</author>
	<datestamp>1247154120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've got a Garmin and love it. It's made to sit easily on the dash, <strong>has a bigger screen than a phone</strong>, doesn't need cell coverage, and doesn't keep me from using my phone.</p></div><p>Best justification for my standalnoe GPS, IMO.  Comparing the size of the screen I want to be able to glance at while driving and the size of a screen that can comprtably fit into my pocket, they don't overlap.
</p><p>Putting the two together just gives you a phone that runs out of batteries too quickly, and a GPS that's hard to navigate by.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a Garmin and love it .
It 's made to sit easily on the dash , has a bigger screen than a phone , does n't need cell coverage , and does n't keep me from using my phone.Best justification for my standalnoe GPS , IMO .
Comparing the size of the screen I want to be able to glance at while driving and the size of a screen that can comprtably fit into my pocket , they do n't overlap .
Putting the two together just gives you a phone that runs out of batteries too quickly , and a GPS that 's hard to navigate by .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a Garmin and love it.
It's made to sit easily on the dash, has a bigger screen than a phone, doesn't need cell coverage, and doesn't keep me from using my phone.Best justification for my standalnoe GPS, IMO.
Comparing the size of the screen I want to be able to glance at while driving and the size of a screen that can comprtably fit into my pocket, they don't overlap.
Putting the two together just gives you a phone that runs out of batteries too quickly, and a GPS that's hard to navigate by.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638595</id>
	<title>Love the idea of all in one...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247162580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I totally agree with the moving to fewer devices...  I currently have a TomTom, Blackberry Storm and a Zune...   each has hits own 'cable' now..  freaking BB changed the USB port from the mini-usb to something newer/different.. Zune, well they always were different and the TomTom is using the simple and tested mini-usb...</p><p>Anyway, I found that the music capabilities of my Blackberry Storm are good.  Also, the GPS works well (Blackberry Maps and Google Maps are all I need really) and lugging around 3 devices and 3 cables has me using my phone more and more as an all in one device...     Purchased a cradle/mount for my Storm and now I just use it for travels and its worked out really well...   even using the Storm as a geocaching device with the BlackStar app...   who needs anything else ?!?!?!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree with the moving to fewer devices... I currently have a TomTom , Blackberry Storm and a Zune... each has hits own 'cable ' now.. freaking BB changed the USB port from the mini-usb to something newer/different.. Zune , well they always were different and the TomTom is using the simple and tested mini-usb...Anyway , I found that the music capabilities of my Blackberry Storm are good .
Also , the GPS works well ( Blackberry Maps and Google Maps are all I need really ) and lugging around 3 devices and 3 cables has me using my phone more and more as an all in one device... Purchased a cradle/mount for my Storm and now I just use it for travels and its worked out really well... even using the Storm as a geocaching device with the BlackStar app... who needs anything else ? ! ? ! ? !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree with the moving to fewer devices...  I currently have a TomTom, Blackberry Storm and a Zune...   each has hits own 'cable' now..  freaking BB changed the USB port from the mini-usb to something newer/different.. Zune, well they always were different and the TomTom is using the simple and tested mini-usb...Anyway, I found that the music capabilities of my Blackberry Storm are good.
Also, the GPS works well (Blackberry Maps and Google Maps are all I need really) and lugging around 3 devices and 3 cables has me using my phone more and more as an all in one device...     Purchased a cradle/mount for my Storm and now I just use it for travels and its worked out really well...   even using the Storm as a geocaching device with the BlackStar app...   who needs anything else ?!?!?!
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637603</id>
	<title>I Don't Need A GPS In My Car</title>
	<author>Prototerm</author>
	<datestamp>1247158080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got my wife beside me telling me where to go. And yes, she'll give me turn by turn directions if I need them!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got my wife beside me telling me where to go .
And yes , she 'll give me turn by turn directions if I need them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got my wife beside me telling me where to go.
And yes, she'll give me turn by turn directions if I need them!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636505</id>
	<title>suprising!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247153880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one will always be a techie... but I will also always be a proponent of the "one device per task" mentality.  Do one thing, do it well, and you will always have my patronage.  Sure, the iPhone and similar smart phones offer nice GPS features, but it's still not a GPS.  Inherent limitations such as battery life and incoming calls will always be a problem because of the nature of the device.   The fact of the matter is the iPhone is trying to serve both as a phone and a GPS (among a multitude of other things).  There's nothing wrong with this, but it does mean that certain sacrifices must be made to ensure compatible functionality.</p><p>I program software for a living - I am very well aware of the trade-offs you make when you change your feature set... and that yes, believe it or not, feature sets can conflict in non-obvious ways.  The idea of one device that does everything just as well as a device specifically suited to a particular task is just a pipe dream - and one not supported at all by the history of the consumer market.</p><p>I think the drop-off we're seeing in GPS sales could be attributed at least equally as much to a flood of inexpensive GPS devices on the market with no annual fees as it could be the GPS features on the smartphones.</p><p>Personally, I own a Garmin and a cell phone and an iPod Touch.  Let's see... my cellphone reliably makes calls without being interrupted or unstable (due to 3rd party apps).  My iPod actually has a faster cpu than the old iPhone (granted, I hear they've given the new one more juice) and my Garmin has a great big screen that is easy to read and hasn't failed me yet (and it's never run out of battery life since it's powered by my car... and it's never been interrupted by an incoming phone call... go figure!).</p><p>Don't get me wrong, I love new technology and the ability to combine multiple functionality under the same device... I just wish we'd all acknowledge that such a device will never be quite as good as having separate devices for each specific functionality.  This is just economics 101 folks...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one will always be a techie... but I will also always be a proponent of the " one device per task " mentality .
Do one thing , do it well , and you will always have my patronage .
Sure , the iPhone and similar smart phones offer nice GPS features , but it 's still not a GPS .
Inherent limitations such as battery life and incoming calls will always be a problem because of the nature of the device .
The fact of the matter is the iPhone is trying to serve both as a phone and a GPS ( among a multitude of other things ) .
There 's nothing wrong with this , but it does mean that certain sacrifices must be made to ensure compatible functionality.I program software for a living - I am very well aware of the trade-offs you make when you change your feature set... and that yes , believe it or not , feature sets can conflict in non-obvious ways .
The idea of one device that does everything just as well as a device specifically suited to a particular task is just a pipe dream - and one not supported at all by the history of the consumer market.I think the drop-off we 're seeing in GPS sales could be attributed at least equally as much to a flood of inexpensive GPS devices on the market with no annual fees as it could be the GPS features on the smartphones.Personally , I own a Garmin and a cell phone and an iPod Touch .
Let 's see... my cellphone reliably makes calls without being interrupted or unstable ( due to 3rd party apps ) .
My iPod actually has a faster cpu than the old iPhone ( granted , I hear they 've given the new one more juice ) and my Garmin has a great big screen that is easy to read and has n't failed me yet ( and it 's never run out of battery life since it 's powered by my car... and it 's never been interrupted by an incoming phone call... go figure !
) .Do n't get me wrong , I love new technology and the ability to combine multiple functionality under the same device... I just wish we 'd all acknowledge that such a device will never be quite as good as having separate devices for each specific functionality .
This is just economics 101 folks.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one will always be a techie... but I will also always be a proponent of the "one device per task" mentality.
Do one thing, do it well, and you will always have my patronage.
Sure, the iPhone and similar smart phones offer nice GPS features, but it's still not a GPS.
Inherent limitations such as battery life and incoming calls will always be a problem because of the nature of the device.
The fact of the matter is the iPhone is trying to serve both as a phone and a GPS (among a multitude of other things).
There's nothing wrong with this, but it does mean that certain sacrifices must be made to ensure compatible functionality.I program software for a living - I am very well aware of the trade-offs you make when you change your feature set... and that yes, believe it or not, feature sets can conflict in non-obvious ways.
The idea of one device that does everything just as well as a device specifically suited to a particular task is just a pipe dream - and one not supported at all by the history of the consumer market.I think the drop-off we're seeing in GPS sales could be attributed at least equally as much to a flood of inexpensive GPS devices on the market with no annual fees as it could be the GPS features on the smartphones.Personally, I own a Garmin and a cell phone and an iPod Touch.
Let's see... my cellphone reliably makes calls without being interrupted or unstable (due to 3rd party apps).
My iPod actually has a faster cpu than the old iPhone (granted, I hear they've given the new one more juice) and my Garmin has a great big screen that is easy to read and hasn't failed me yet (and it's never run out of battery life since it's powered by my car... and it's never been interrupted by an incoming phone call... go figure!
).Don't get me wrong, I love new technology and the ability to combine multiple functionality under the same device... I just wish we'd all acknowledge that such a device will never be quite as good as having separate devices for each specific functionality.
This is just economics 101 folks...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638675</id>
	<title>Right tool for the job</title>
	<author>SCHecklerX</author>
	<datestamp>1247162940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I still use my garmin for laying down tracks in the woods while on the mtb.  To do that with the blackberry I'd have to buy special software, and also buy a subscription to it.  Screw that.  The garmin is a bit more robust and waterproof too, and if I lose or break it, I'm out just a GPS vs. an expensive phone and primary means of communication.</p><p>Drawback is the old garmin downloads quite slow over serial cable.  Maybe I'll look at the trimble outdoors after all, assuming I can upload tracks from it to gpsvisualizer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still use my garmin for laying down tracks in the woods while on the mtb .
To do that with the blackberry I 'd have to buy special software , and also buy a subscription to it .
Screw that .
The garmin is a bit more robust and waterproof too , and if I lose or break it , I 'm out just a GPS vs. an expensive phone and primary means of communication.Drawback is the old garmin downloads quite slow over serial cable .
Maybe I 'll look at the trimble outdoors after all , assuming I can upload tracks from it to gpsvisualizer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still use my garmin for laying down tracks in the woods while on the mtb.
To do that with the blackberry I'd have to buy special software, and also buy a subscription to it.
Screw that.
The garmin is a bit more robust and waterproof too, and if I lose or break it, I'm out just a GPS vs. an expensive phone and primary means of communication.Drawback is the old garmin downloads quite slow over serial cable.
Maybe I'll look at the trimble outdoors after all, assuming I can upload tracks from it to gpsvisualizer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636165</id>
	<title>I guess I should prepare for extinction then</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247152920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as I don't own a GPS or a Satnav and don't have a GPS in my phone, ipod or anything else.</p><p>I use maps and if required a compass and somehow, I don't seem to get lost.</p><p>Perhaps this is a slow news day?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as I do n't own a GPS or a Satnav and do n't have a GPS in my phone , ipod or anything else.I use maps and if required a compass and somehow , I do n't seem to get lost.Perhaps this is a slow news day ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as I don't own a GPS or a Satnav and don't have a GPS in my phone, ipod or anything else.I use maps and if required a compass and somehow, I don't seem to get lost.Perhaps this is a slow news day?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636663</id>
	<title>Call me when phone GPS is any good</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1247154480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone telling us that dedicated GPS is going the way of the dinosaur is talking marketing drivel and trying to sell you a phone with a GPS.</p><p>The chips sets in the phones I've tried including the one on my Nokia 6220 classic are complete crap compared to my TomTom one XL or my Garmin Etrex Legend Hcx. The dedicated GPS units lock on quickly and continue to work if you take them indoors. (Sometimes they even lock on indoors, which amazes me because I live in a 2 story house). In contrast my phone GPS takes ages, loses the signal easily and to top it off if I want maps or assisted GPS I have to pay for it.</p><p>Not to mention the fact that they're more useful in a car rather than attached to a mobile phone (which is illegal to operate while driving a vehicle where I live). I'd expect rather to see them built into cars more and more as standard.</p><p>Unfortunately the GPS companies are also trying to make you pay again and again with map updates. Still, phones also require map updates. I'd love to see a GPS come on the market that used open maps (Open maps do exist!) and attached into some standard sized dashboard module. Let the hardware manufacturers make their money honestly on the hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone telling us that dedicated GPS is going the way of the dinosaur is talking marketing drivel and trying to sell you a phone with a GPS.The chips sets in the phones I 've tried including the one on my Nokia 6220 classic are complete crap compared to my TomTom one XL or my Garmin Etrex Legend Hcx .
The dedicated GPS units lock on quickly and continue to work if you take them indoors .
( Sometimes they even lock on indoors , which amazes me because I live in a 2 story house ) .
In contrast my phone GPS takes ages , loses the signal easily and to top it off if I want maps or assisted GPS I have to pay for it.Not to mention the fact that they 're more useful in a car rather than attached to a mobile phone ( which is illegal to operate while driving a vehicle where I live ) .
I 'd expect rather to see them built into cars more and more as standard.Unfortunately the GPS companies are also trying to make you pay again and again with map updates .
Still , phones also require map updates .
I 'd love to see a GPS come on the market that used open maps ( Open maps do exist !
) and attached into some standard sized dashboard module .
Let the hardware manufacturers make their money honestly on the hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone telling us that dedicated GPS is going the way of the dinosaur is talking marketing drivel and trying to sell you a phone with a GPS.The chips sets in the phones I've tried including the one on my Nokia 6220 classic are complete crap compared to my TomTom one XL or my Garmin Etrex Legend Hcx.
The dedicated GPS units lock on quickly and continue to work if you take them indoors.
(Sometimes they even lock on indoors, which amazes me because I live in a 2 story house).
In contrast my phone GPS takes ages, loses the signal easily and to top it off if I want maps or assisted GPS I have to pay for it.Not to mention the fact that they're more useful in a car rather than attached to a mobile phone (which is illegal to operate while driving a vehicle where I live).
I'd expect rather to see them built into cars more and more as standard.Unfortunately the GPS companies are also trying to make you pay again and again with map updates.
Still, phones also require map updates.
I'd love to see a GPS come on the market that used open maps (Open maps do exist!
) and attached into some standard sized dashboard module.
Let the hardware manufacturers make their money honestly on the hardware.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637313</id>
	<title>I have an iPhone and Nuvi 350: My pros &amp; cons</title>
	<author>elcid73</author>
	<datestamp>1247156880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pros: like others mentioned, my phone is already streaming pandora or playing music and occasionally taking calls/texts- having all of these being done by one device at the same time is a bottleneck -if not of hardware, then certainly of user interface</p><p>Cons: my stand alone, dedicated, only has one job to do in it's whole stinking existence, GPS receiver takes *forever* to triangulate.  Granted if I sit in one place it works relatively fast, but a large number of times I'm already moving when I need it to come to life.  My iphone triangulates on cell towers to get me going "well enough" right away, and still even manages to triangulate GPS faster than my NUVI.  This is a frustrating PITA.</p><p>Also, the NUVI interface, although highly recommended by my user experience colleagues, is pretty cumbersome.  Address entering that requires the STATE and CITY EVERY TIME is frustrating.  I would like the menu choices of inputting addresses to a include "near me" option or have it done radially like google maps does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pros : like others mentioned , my phone is already streaming pandora or playing music and occasionally taking calls/texts- having all of these being done by one device at the same time is a bottleneck -if not of hardware , then certainly of user interfaceCons : my stand alone , dedicated , only has one job to do in it 's whole stinking existence , GPS receiver takes * forever * to triangulate .
Granted if I sit in one place it works relatively fast , but a large number of times I 'm already moving when I need it to come to life .
My iphone triangulates on cell towers to get me going " well enough " right away , and still even manages to triangulate GPS faster than my NUVI .
This is a frustrating PITA.Also , the NUVI interface , although highly recommended by my user experience colleagues , is pretty cumbersome .
Address entering that requires the STATE and CITY EVERY TIME is frustrating .
I would like the menu choices of inputting addresses to a include " near me " option or have it done radially like google maps does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pros: like others mentioned, my phone is already streaming pandora or playing music and occasionally taking calls/texts- having all of these being done by one device at the same time is a bottleneck -if not of hardware, then certainly of user interfaceCons: my stand alone, dedicated, only has one job to do in it's whole stinking existence, GPS receiver takes *forever* to triangulate.
Granted if I sit in one place it works relatively fast, but a large number of times I'm already moving when I need it to come to life.
My iphone triangulates on cell towers to get me going "well enough" right away, and still even manages to triangulate GPS faster than my NUVI.
This is a frustrating PITA.Also, the NUVI interface, although highly recommended by my user experience colleagues, is pretty cumbersome.
Address entering that requires the STATE and CITY EVERY TIME is frustrating.
I would like the menu choices of inputting addresses to a include "near me" option or have it done radially like google maps does.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636673</id>
	<title>Re:I like standalone GPS</title>
	<author>BiggerIsBetter</author>
	<datestamp>1247154480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only thing not to like is that the maps eventually get out of date, and that it's a separate cost.</p></div><p>The maps do get out of date, but it's not necessarily a cost. In fact, it's one of the reasons I bought a Garmin instead of the competition; You can make your own maps, with local knowledge and without being beholden to the manufacturer. Ref <a href="http://nzopengps.org/" title="nzopengps.org">http://nzopengps.org/</a> [nzopengps.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing not to like is that the maps eventually get out of date , and that it 's a separate cost.The maps do get out of date , but it 's not necessarily a cost .
In fact , it 's one of the reasons I bought a Garmin instead of the competition ; You can make your own maps , with local knowledge and without being beholden to the manufacturer .
Ref http : //nzopengps.org/ [ nzopengps.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing not to like is that the maps eventually get out of date, and that it's a separate cost.The maps do get out of date, but it's not necessarily a cost.
In fact, it's one of the reasons I bought a Garmin instead of the competition; You can make your own maps, with local knowledge and without being beholden to the manufacturer.
Ref http://nzopengps.org/ [nzopengps.org]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636289</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636333</id>
	<title>I want a HUD in my car</title>
	<author>rift321</author>
	<datestamp>1247153400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone else fed up with audio prompts for turn-by-turn?  I want HUDs to finally find their way into vehicles - i mean, they've been in fighter jets for ages, which is just a step away from my Subaru Forester. <br>
&nbsp; </p><p>Honestly, how expensive can it be to put the video on the dash instead of throwing it on some 3rd-party mount, or in the already-cramped control console?  I say that the companies need to make better use of the windshields in cars, and allow me to listen to loud music while I don't know where I'm going.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else fed up with audio prompts for turn-by-turn ?
I want HUDs to finally find their way into vehicles - i mean , they 've been in fighter jets for ages , which is just a step away from my Subaru Forester .
  Honestly , how expensive can it be to put the video on the dash instead of throwing it on some 3rd-party mount , or in the already-cramped control console ?
I say that the companies need to make better use of the windshields in cars , and allow me to listen to loud music while I do n't know where I 'm going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else fed up with audio prompts for turn-by-turn?
I want HUDs to finally find their way into vehicles - i mean, they've been in fighter jets for ages, which is just a step away from my Subaru Forester.
  Honestly, how expensive can it be to put the video on the dash instead of throwing it on some 3rd-party mount, or in the already-cramped control console?
I say that the companies need to make better use of the windshields in cars, and allow me to listen to loud music while I don't know where I'm going.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636549</id>
	<title>Less likely to be stolen, too.</title>
	<author>Guppy</author>
	<datestamp>1247154000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another key advantage of the smartphone-type GPS?  Less theft.</p><p>Since most folks carry their phones around with them, the default behavior for these is to remove them from the car everytime you step away.  Also, since GPS service is frequently tied to a data plan, as soon as you cancel, that part of the functionality disappears for the thief (plus some types of phones can be blacklisted by the provider, making it even more difficult for the thief to benefit).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another key advantage of the smartphone-type GPS ?
Less theft.Since most folks carry their phones around with them , the default behavior for these is to remove them from the car everytime you step away .
Also , since GPS service is frequently tied to a data plan , as soon as you cancel , that part of the functionality disappears for the thief ( plus some types of phones can be blacklisted by the provider , making it even more difficult for the thief to benefit ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another key advantage of the smartphone-type GPS?
Less theft.Since most folks carry their phones around with them, the default behavior for these is to remove them from the car everytime you step away.
Also, since GPS service is frequently tied to a data plan, as soon as you cancel, that part of the functionality disappears for the thief (plus some types of phones can be blacklisted by the provider, making it even more difficult for the thief to benefit).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637051</id>
	<title>Re:I'm one of them</title>
	<author>LibertineR</author>
	<datestamp>1247155920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I also own a Storm, and I killed off VZ navigator in favor of TeleNav, which is very, very good. The fee is $10 per month after a free 30 days, and I found it superior in every way. The nicest thing, is that you can call in your addresses, and TeleNav downloads them to your phone so you never have to type in addresses. Very nice, clear maps too. Check it out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also own a Storm , and I killed off VZ navigator in favor of TeleNav , which is very , very good .
The fee is $ 10 per month after a free 30 days , and I found it superior in every way .
The nicest thing , is that you can call in your addresses , and TeleNav downloads them to your phone so you never have to type in addresses .
Very nice , clear maps too .
Check it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also own a Storm, and I killed off VZ navigator in favor of TeleNav, which is very, very good.
The fee is $10 per month after a free 30 days, and I found it superior in every way.
The nicest thing, is that you can call in your addresses, and TeleNav downloads them to your phone so you never have to type in addresses.
Very nice, clear maps too.
Check it out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636309</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638477</id>
	<title>Re:GPS is all software anyway</title>
	<author>King\_TJ</author>
	<datestamp>1247162040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree....</p><p>One big problem with in-car GPS systems has always been the satellite reception.  If you keep an antenna close enough to a windshield or side window, it works pretty well.  But people tend to keep their cellphones anywhere BUT those places in a car.  Half the time, the phone is in the driver's pocket, or stashed in a center console or cup holder.  GPS reception is going to be poor in those locations.  Dedicated GPS units, by contrast, almost always sit on the dashboard or get affixed to the window with a suction-cup bracket of some sort, and many even have capabilities for adding an external antenna on a long wire, so you can fish it out the window and place it on the roof of the vehicle if needed.</p><p>As you said yourself, companies like TomTom are selling entire hardware kits just to adapt an iPhone so it can reasonably mimic the standard installation of a dedicated in-car GPS unit!  So obviously, it's not "just software" at all!</p><p>Personally, I don't like the idea of constantly having to plug my phone into some special cradle assembly, every time I want to use it for GPS In my car, and remember to disconnect it every time I get back out.  With decent in-car GPS systems selling for under $100 these days at places like NewEgg, it makes more sense to just buy one to leave in the car - and not worry about giving my iPhone yet ANOTHER thing to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree....One big problem with in-car GPS systems has always been the satellite reception .
If you keep an antenna close enough to a windshield or side window , it works pretty well .
But people tend to keep their cellphones anywhere BUT those places in a car .
Half the time , the phone is in the driver 's pocket , or stashed in a center console or cup holder .
GPS reception is going to be poor in those locations .
Dedicated GPS units , by contrast , almost always sit on the dashboard or get affixed to the window with a suction-cup bracket of some sort , and many even have capabilities for adding an external antenna on a long wire , so you can fish it out the window and place it on the roof of the vehicle if needed.As you said yourself , companies like TomTom are selling entire hardware kits just to adapt an iPhone so it can reasonably mimic the standard installation of a dedicated in-car GPS unit !
So obviously , it 's not " just software " at all ! Personally , I do n't like the idea of constantly having to plug my phone into some special cradle assembly , every time I want to use it for GPS In my car , and remember to disconnect it every time I get back out .
With decent in-car GPS systems selling for under $ 100 these days at places like NewEgg , it makes more sense to just buy one to leave in the car - and not worry about giving my iPhone yet ANOTHER thing to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree....One big problem with in-car GPS systems has always been the satellite reception.
If you keep an antenna close enough to a windshield or side window, it works pretty well.
But people tend to keep their cellphones anywhere BUT those places in a car.
Half the time, the phone is in the driver's pocket, or stashed in a center console or cup holder.
GPS reception is going to be poor in those locations.
Dedicated GPS units, by contrast, almost always sit on the dashboard or get affixed to the window with a suction-cup bracket of some sort, and many even have capabilities for adding an external antenna on a long wire, so you can fish it out the window and place it on the roof of the vehicle if needed.As you said yourself, companies like TomTom are selling entire hardware kits just to adapt an iPhone so it can reasonably mimic the standard installation of a dedicated in-car GPS unit!
So obviously, it's not "just software" at all!Personally, I don't like the idea of constantly having to plug my phone into some special cradle assembly, every time I want to use it for GPS In my car, and remember to disconnect it every time I get back out.
With decent in-car GPS systems selling for under $100 these days at places like NewEgg, it makes more sense to just buy one to leave in the car - and not worry about giving my iPhone yet ANOTHER thing to do.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636449</id>
	<title>Speed Cloud for Android</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1247153700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is gps-evolution. Heres a cloud you might want to fly into. Its a speedlimit cloud. <br> <br>


<a href="http://code.google.com/p/speedlimit/" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">Android App to alert speeding.</a> [google.com] <br> <br>

<a href="http://www.wikispeedia.org/" title="wikispeedia.org" rel="nofollow">Wikispeedia</a> [wikispeedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is gps-evolution .
Heres a cloud you might want to fly into .
Its a speedlimit cloud .
Android App to alert speeding .
[ google.com ] Wikispeedia [ wikispeedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is gps-evolution.
Heres a cloud you might want to fly into.
Its a speedlimit cloud.
Android App to alert speeding.
[google.com]  

Wikispeedia [wikispeedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637577</id>
	<title>Re:Tax Funded GPS...why the hell should we pay?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247158020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're missing the parent's point. AT&amp;T disable the GPS that is already in a Blackberry and charge to activate it, even if you only want to use it with Google Maps. AT&amp;T aren't providing anything, in fact it must have cost them effort to disable the feature. They truely are ****holes</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're missing the parent 's point .
AT&amp;T disable the GPS that is already in a Blackberry and charge to activate it , even if you only want to use it with Google Maps .
AT&amp;T are n't providing anything , in fact it must have cost them effort to disable the feature .
They truely are * * * * holes</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're missing the parent's point.
AT&amp;T disable the GPS that is already in a Blackberry and charge to activate it, even if you only want to use it with Google Maps.
AT&amp;T aren't providing anything, in fact it must have cost them effort to disable the feature.
They truely are ****holes</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636507</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636625</id>
	<title>Re:I like standalone GPS</title>
	<author>cronostitan</author>
	<datestamp>1247154300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nowadays no additional costs are involved for map data anymore - unless you want to spend it.<br>Have a look at the OpenStreetMap project - <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/" title="openstreetmap.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.openstreetmap.org/</a> [openstreetmap.org]  - there you can get the data (which is partially better than Garmin maps) for free. Routing data is just emerging but already possible. I uploaded the complete world map on my GARMIN GPS 60Cx a couple days ago (you will need a big memory  card for that, though)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nowadays no additional costs are involved for map data anymore - unless you want to spend it.Have a look at the OpenStreetMap project - http : //www.openstreetmap.org/ [ openstreetmap.org ] - there you can get the data ( which is partially better than Garmin maps ) for free .
Routing data is just emerging but already possible .
I uploaded the complete world map on my GARMIN GPS 60Cx a couple days ago ( you will need a big memory card for that , though )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nowadays no additional costs are involved for map data anymore - unless you want to spend it.Have a look at the OpenStreetMap project - http://www.openstreetmap.org/ [openstreetmap.org]  - there you can get the data (which is partially better than Garmin maps) for free.
Routing data is just emerging but already possible.
I uploaded the complete world map on my GARMIN GPS 60Cx a couple days ago (you will need a big memory  card for that, though)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28642325</id>
	<title>I for one use a standalone unit because....</title>
	<author>dindi</author>
	<datestamp>1247134380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one use a standalone unit because:</p><p>1.you get superior reception (my new Garmin gpsmap 60cx can get a reception on forest trails, under trees, and even inside my house at certain places)<br>2. you get 12+ hours operation on 2 AA batteries<br>3. you can get rugged models (water proof, shock proof - my iphone would get trashed withing 1 hour of offroading)<br>4. you do not share the device with phone calls, music etc), and that also means that you still have a phone if you trash your gps and you still have a gps if you trash your phone on the trail<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... both which can be used to locate you at least...<br>5. you get maps<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I know nokias have garmin maps (which is the only map you can get for Costa Rica with full routing).... but my iphone has no maps for example, and my last Nokia (business edition expensive trash) is so unreliable and crashing that I would not trust that at all with telling me my location</p><p>6. accessories:  you get mounts for bikes, cars, boats, you can connect antennas,<br>7. You can link it to a pc, pocketpc, on any OS that can read serial data (use it just as an external module)<br>8. Cell phones suck battery like crazy when they are out of service are and are trying to reconnect - where I need a GPS there is usually no reception<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. so<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Well...    for me the GPS is for my dive bag and my offroad bike, and take it to explore new trails with my wife and my dogs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...... so I need a rugged standalone unit....</p><p>If I lived in a big city I might just use my cellphone , but out here this is not a good idea</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one use a standalone unit because : 1.you get superior reception ( my new Garmin gpsmap 60cx can get a reception on forest trails , under trees , and even inside my house at certain places ) 2. you get 12 + hours operation on 2 AA batteries3 .
you can get rugged models ( water proof , shock proof - my iphone would get trashed withing 1 hour of offroading ) 4. you do not share the device with phone calls , music etc ) , and that also means that you still have a phone if you trash your gps and you still have a gps if you trash your phone on the trail ... both which can be used to locate you at least...5. you get maps ... I know nokias have garmin maps ( which is the only map you can get for Costa Rica with full routing ) .... but my iphone has no maps for example , and my last Nokia ( business edition expensive trash ) is so unreliable and crashing that I would not trust that at all with telling me my location6 .
accessories : you get mounts for bikes , cars , boats , you can connect antennas,7 .
You can link it to a pc , pocketpc , on any OS that can read serial data ( use it just as an external module ) 8 .
Cell phones suck battery like crazy when they are out of service are and are trying to reconnect - where I need a GPS there is usually no reception .. so ...Well... for me the GPS is for my dive bag and my offroad bike , and take it to explore new trails with my wife and my dogs ...... so I need a rugged standalone unit....If I lived in a big city I might just use my cellphone , but out here this is not a good idea</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one use a standalone unit because:1.you get superior reception (my new Garmin gpsmap 60cx can get a reception on forest trails, under trees, and even inside my house at certain places)2. you get 12+ hours operation on 2 AA batteries3.
you can get rugged models (water proof, shock proof - my iphone would get trashed withing 1 hour of offroading)4. you do not share the device with phone calls, music etc), and that also means that you still have a phone if you trash your gps and you still have a gps if you trash your phone on the trail ... both which can be used to locate you at least...5. you get maps ... I know nokias have garmin maps (which is the only map you can get for Costa Rica with full routing).... but my iphone has no maps for example, and my last Nokia (business edition expensive trash) is so unreliable and crashing that I would not trust that at all with telling me my location6.
accessories:  you get mounts for bikes, cars, boats, you can connect antennas,7.
You can link it to a pc, pocketpc, on any OS that can read serial data (use it just as an external module)8.
Cell phones suck battery like crazy when they are out of service are and are trying to reconnect - where I need a GPS there is usually no reception .. so ...Well...    for me the GPS is for my dive bag and my offroad bike, and take it to explore new trails with my wife and my dogs ...... so I need a rugged standalone unit....If I lived in a big city I might just use my cellphone , but out here this is not a good idea</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638509</id>
	<title>HTC Titan Phone with a real GPS Chip</title>
	<author>JakFrost</author>
	<datestamp>1247162220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>HTC Titan with GPS Chip</b> </p><p>I've had the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC\_Titan" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">HTC Titan (Sprint Mogul PPC-6800)</a> [wikipedia.org] phone since it came out and it has a real GPSOne chip inside for aGPS satelite reception and not just cell tower ID triangulation for fake GPS.  Before that I had the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTC\_Apache" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">HTC Apache (Sprint PCC-6700)</a> [wikipedia.org] that required a separate <a href="http://www.buygpsnow.com/bluetooth-gps\_9.aspx" title="buygpsnow.com" rel="nofollow">GPS Receiver connected by Bluetooth</a> [buygpsnow.com] and that also worked great since I only had to turn on the receiver when navigating.</p><p> <b>Mount and Charger</b> </p><p>I use the cheap <a href="http://www.buygpsnow.com/pda-phone-mount\_133.aspx" title="buygpsnow.com" rel="nofollow">Arkon CM929-S phone mount</a> [buygpsnow.com] to keep my phone in-front of me connected to an air-vent while I drive and also the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Cigarette-Lighter-Adapter-Packaging/dp/B0007N08NO/ref=pd\_cp\_cps\_1" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">Motorola Mini-USB Car Charger</a> [amazon.com] for keeping my phone powered up during long trips.</p><p> <b>TomTom Navigator 6 and 7</b> </p><p>I've been using <a href="http://www.tomtom.com/products/category.php?ID=2&amp;Language=1" title="tomtom.com" rel="nofollow">TomTom Navigator</a> [tomtom.com] version 6 and now 7 installed on this phone running <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/default.mspx" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Windows Mobile</a> [microsoft.com] 6.0, 6.1, and soon 6.5.  I've used my phone to navigate here in the US, Canada, and also in Europe without any problems at all, except for having to copying the 500MB maps to my storage card before I go, since I only had a 1 GB storage card.  If I had a <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&amp;Subcategory=68&amp;Description=&amp;Type=&amp;N=40000068+1053131144&amp;srchInDesc=&amp;MinPrice=&amp;MaxPrice=&amp;PropertyCodeValue=531\%3A31144&amp;PropertyCodeValue=533\%3A13634&amp;PropertyCodeValue=533\%3A25334&amp;PropertyCodeValue=533\%3A25335&amp;PropertyCodeValue=533\%3A13500" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">large capacity SDHC storage card</a> [newegg.com] then I could keep all the maps on it for the entire world.</p><p> <b>PPCKitchen BuildOS and Radio ROM Firmware</b> </p><p>I've been taking advantage of the phone customization software such as <a href="http://www.ppckitchen.org/forums/local\_links.php" title="ppckitchen.org" rel="nofollow">PPCKitchen BuildOS</a> [ppckitchen.org] software for creating and loading customized and updated versions of Microsoft Windows Mobile operating system builds on to my phone that allowed me to go from 6.0, to 6.1, and now to 6.5.  I've been updating the Radio ROM firmware on my phone with the instructions from <a href="http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC\_Titan" title="xda-developers.com" rel="nofollow">XDA Developer Wiki page for HTC Titan</a> [xda-developers.com] to the latest releases to enable GPS functionality on this phone since the original release of the phone did not have the Radio ROM firmware to allow interfacing with the GPS chip until Sprint released it a year after the phone became available.</p><p> <b>Little Inconveniences</b> </p><p>Since Sprint uses the US only CDMA network cell phone standard I couldn't use my phone in Europe to make calls but I still retained the full GPS functionality.  On top of this we use Google Maps software loaded on these phones for locating stores and saving them as contacts so we can then use TomTom to navigate to those contacts.  Everything works great except when Google Maps decides to be lazy and not save the zip-code in the address in the contact or when the address line in the contact includes additional numbers such as apartment or suite then TomTom gets confused thinking those are street numbers since they match European address standards such as "16 Main Street Suite 2" to "16/2 Main Street".  We then have to manually edit the contact to remove the apartment or suite number and add the zip code, it is a pain and we are waiting for TomTom to fix their software since this bug existed sine version 6 and now with 7.450.</p><p> <b>Convenience Through Convergence</b> </p><p>My wife also uses the same exact phone since we share the same phone plan and company and she loves the ability to be able to take the car and go anywhere she wants with her friends without worry</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HTC Titan with GPS Chip I 've had the HTC Titan ( Sprint Mogul PPC-6800 ) [ wikipedia.org ] phone since it came out and it has a real GPSOne chip inside for aGPS satelite reception and not just cell tower ID triangulation for fake GPS .
Before that I had the HTC Apache ( Sprint PCC-6700 ) [ wikipedia.org ] that required a separate GPS Receiver connected by Bluetooth [ buygpsnow.com ] and that also worked great since I only had to turn on the receiver when navigating .
Mount and Charger I use the cheap Arkon CM929-S phone mount [ buygpsnow.com ] to keep my phone in-front of me connected to an air-vent while I drive and also the Motorola Mini-USB Car Charger [ amazon.com ] for keeping my phone powered up during long trips .
TomTom Navigator 6 and 7 I 've been using TomTom Navigator [ tomtom.com ] version 6 and now 7 installed on this phone running Microsoft Windows Mobile [ microsoft.com ] 6.0 , 6.1 , and soon 6.5 .
I 've used my phone to navigate here in the US , Canada , and also in Europe without any problems at all , except for having to copying the 500MB maps to my storage card before I go , since I only had a 1 GB storage card .
If I had a large capacity SDHC storage card [ newegg.com ] then I could keep all the maps on it for the entire world .
PPCKitchen BuildOS and Radio ROM Firmware I 've been taking advantage of the phone customization software such as PPCKitchen BuildOS [ ppckitchen.org ] software for creating and loading customized and updated versions of Microsoft Windows Mobile operating system builds on to my phone that allowed me to go from 6.0 , to 6.1 , and now to 6.5 .
I 've been updating the Radio ROM firmware on my phone with the instructions from XDA Developer Wiki page for HTC Titan [ xda-developers.com ] to the latest releases to enable GPS functionality on this phone since the original release of the phone did not have the Radio ROM firmware to allow interfacing with the GPS chip until Sprint released it a year after the phone became available .
Little Inconveniences Since Sprint uses the US only CDMA network cell phone standard I could n't use my phone in Europe to make calls but I still retained the full GPS functionality .
On top of this we use Google Maps software loaded on these phones for locating stores and saving them as contacts so we can then use TomTom to navigate to those contacts .
Everything works great except when Google Maps decides to be lazy and not save the zip-code in the address in the contact or when the address line in the contact includes additional numbers such as apartment or suite then TomTom gets confused thinking those are street numbers since they match European address standards such as " 16 Main Street Suite 2 " to " 16/2 Main Street " .
We then have to manually edit the contact to remove the apartment or suite number and add the zip code , it is a pain and we are waiting for TomTom to fix their software since this bug existed sine version 6 and now with 7.450 .
Convenience Through Convergence My wife also uses the same exact phone since we share the same phone plan and company and she loves the ability to be able to take the car and go anywhere she wants with her friends without worry</tokentext>
<sentencetext> HTC Titan with GPS Chip I've had the HTC Titan (Sprint Mogul PPC-6800) [wikipedia.org] phone since it came out and it has a real GPSOne chip inside for aGPS satelite reception and not just cell tower ID triangulation for fake GPS.
Before that I had the HTC Apache (Sprint PCC-6700) [wikipedia.org] that required a separate GPS Receiver connected by Bluetooth [buygpsnow.com] and that also worked great since I only had to turn on the receiver when navigating.
Mount and Charger I use the cheap Arkon CM929-S phone mount [buygpsnow.com] to keep my phone in-front of me connected to an air-vent while I drive and also the Motorola Mini-USB Car Charger [amazon.com] for keeping my phone powered up during long trips.
TomTom Navigator 6 and 7 I've been using TomTom Navigator [tomtom.com] version 6 and now 7 installed on this phone running Microsoft Windows Mobile [microsoft.com] 6.0, 6.1, and soon 6.5.
I've used my phone to navigate here in the US, Canada, and also in Europe without any problems at all, except for having to copying the 500MB maps to my storage card before I go, since I only had a 1 GB storage card.
If I had a large capacity SDHC storage card [newegg.com] then I could keep all the maps on it for the entire world.
PPCKitchen BuildOS and Radio ROM Firmware I've been taking advantage of the phone customization software such as PPCKitchen BuildOS [ppckitchen.org] software for creating and loading customized and updated versions of Microsoft Windows Mobile operating system builds on to my phone that allowed me to go from 6.0, to 6.1, and now to 6.5.
I've been updating the Radio ROM firmware on my phone with the instructions from XDA Developer Wiki page for HTC Titan [xda-developers.com] to the latest releases to enable GPS functionality on this phone since the original release of the phone did not have the Radio ROM firmware to allow interfacing with the GPS chip until Sprint released it a year after the phone became available.
Little Inconveniences Since Sprint uses the US only CDMA network cell phone standard I couldn't use my phone in Europe to make calls but I still retained the full GPS functionality.
On top of this we use Google Maps software loaded on these phones for locating stores and saving them as contacts so we can then use TomTom to navigate to those contacts.
Everything works great except when Google Maps decides to be lazy and not save the zip-code in the address in the contact or when the address line in the contact includes additional numbers such as apartment or suite then TomTom gets confused thinking those are street numbers since they match European address standards such as "16 Main Street Suite 2" to "16/2 Main Street".
We then have to manually edit the contact to remove the apartment or suite number and add the zip code, it is a pain and we are waiting for TomTom to fix their software since this bug existed sine version 6 and now with 7.450.
Convenience Through Convergence My wife also uses the same exact phone since we share the same phone plan and company and she loves the ability to be able to take the car and go anywhere she wants with her friends without worry</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636261</id>
	<title>That was fast</title>
	<author>192939495969798999</author>
	<datestamp>1247153220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Earlier today, local knowledge and maps were <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/09/0150239/Is-Sat-Nav-Destroying-Local-Knowledge" title="slashdot.org">going the way of the dodo</a> [slashdot.org].  By the end of today,  we should have hover-cars and warp drive!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Earlier today , local knowledge and maps were going the way of the dodo [ slashdot.org ] .
By the end of today , we should have hover-cars and warp drive !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Earlier today, local knowledge and maps were going the way of the dodo [slashdot.org].
By the end of today,  we should have hover-cars and warp drive!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636289</id>
	<title>I like standalone GPS</title>
	<author>Nerdposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1247153340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got a Garmin and love it. It's made to sit easily on the dash, has a bigger screen than a phone, doesn't need cell coverage, and doesn't keep me from using my phone.</p><p>The only thing not to like is that the maps eventually get out of date, and that it's a separate cost.</p><p>The ideal would be to have it built in to my dash and update itself via Wi-Fi when I pull into the driveway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a Garmin and love it .
It 's made to sit easily on the dash , has a bigger screen than a phone , does n't need cell coverage , and does n't keep me from using my phone.The only thing not to like is that the maps eventually get out of date , and that it 's a separate cost.The ideal would be to have it built in to my dash and update itself via Wi-Fi when I pull into the driveway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a Garmin and love it.
It's made to sit easily on the dash, has a bigger screen than a phone, doesn't need cell coverage, and doesn't keep me from using my phone.The only thing not to like is that the maps eventually get out of date, and that it's a separate cost.The ideal would be to have it built in to my dash and update itself via Wi-Fi when I pull into the driveway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28639777</id>
	<title>Re:Call me when phone GPS is any good</title>
	<author>Curmudgeonlyoldbloke</author>
	<datestamp>1247167080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's already been mentioned that it is possible to see Openstreetmap maps on Garmin devices, but phones can use OSM data too - I use Mgmaps (on a Blackberry, but it runs on others too):</p><p><a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mgmaps" title="openstreetmap.org">http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mgmaps</a> [openstreetmap.org]</p><p>It's not as fast to display as Google Maps, but (where I live) is substantially better quality data than either Google or the maps that Garmin sell.</p><p>Having said that, I still have a Garmin Etrex series GPS (with OSM data on it) which I use for hiking - it'll run for ever on 2 rechargeable AA batteries every couple of days and is waterproof, which phones aren't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's already been mentioned that it is possible to see Openstreetmap maps on Garmin devices , but phones can use OSM data too - I use Mgmaps ( on a Blackberry , but it runs on others too ) : http : //wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mgmaps [ openstreetmap.org ] It 's not as fast to display as Google Maps , but ( where I live ) is substantially better quality data than either Google or the maps that Garmin sell.Having said that , I still have a Garmin Etrex series GPS ( with OSM data on it ) which I use for hiking - it 'll run for ever on 2 rechargeable AA batteries every couple of days and is waterproof , which phones are n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's already been mentioned that it is possible to see Openstreetmap maps on Garmin devices, but phones can use OSM data too - I use Mgmaps (on a Blackberry, but it runs on others too):http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mgmaps [openstreetmap.org]It's not as fast to display as Google Maps, but (where I live) is substantially better quality data than either Google or the maps that Garmin sell.Having said that, I still have a Garmin Etrex series GPS (with OSM data on it) which I use for hiking - it'll run for ever on 2 rechargeable AA batteries every couple of days and is waterproof, which phones aren't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637765</id>
	<title>Re:Call me when phone GPS is any good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247158860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Garmin units can accept open maps created by Open Street Map. See here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM\_Map\_On\_Garmin/Download</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Garmin units can accept open maps created by Open Street Map .
See here : http : //wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM \ _Map \ _On \ _Garmin/Download</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Garmin units can accept open maps created by Open Street Map.
See here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM\_Map\_On\_Garmin/Download</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637287</id>
	<title>Cell Phone GPS doesn't work with no service</title>
	<author>rrossman2</author>
	<datestamp>1247156760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a big issue that's missed here... I have verizon and live in central PA (State College area). When you head out from town, cell coverage is next to non-existent. It's very hit and miss, you can send a text out in some spots, but not make or receive a call.<p>
I've tried using the VZW Navigator app during the free trial on my BB Storm. I've tried using the garmin app for BB's free trial, and I've used Google Maps.</p><p>
Garmin's app for the BB has the best feel overall, and can be integrated with Panoramio, which is neat. Google's works for finding places or people (Latitude), but doesn't do voice prompts. VZW Nav just looks like a cheap nav app and for the $10 a month, you'd be better off purchasing the Garmin app for $100.</p><p>
Now here's the big issue... the BB GPS chip works apparently by talking to the cell tower.  I've tried turning the feature to enhance the GPS location off, and things like Geotagging my photos won't work when I have little to no cell service, even if the GPS signal is strong. I purchased a cheap $30 16 channel Bluetooth GPS receiver, and when it's paired the GPS feature works with full or no cell service. I'm not sure how many other phones have this happen, and I'm not sure if there's a work around for the BB Storm, but from what I've seen the stand alone GPS units are still the way to go ($200 garmin) as some also work as a hands free device for those states that require that. But if I did have to use a GPS program on a cell phone, the phone better have a large screen, such as the Storm, and have a well laid-out and clean UI such as the Garmin app.. Nothing like the VZW Nav interface.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a big issue that 's missed here... I have verizon and live in central PA ( State College area ) .
When you head out from town , cell coverage is next to non-existent .
It 's very hit and miss , you can send a text out in some spots , but not make or receive a call .
I 've tried using the VZW Navigator app during the free trial on my BB Storm .
I 've tried using the garmin app for BB 's free trial , and I 've used Google Maps .
Garmin 's app for the BB has the best feel overall , and can be integrated with Panoramio , which is neat .
Google 's works for finding places or people ( Latitude ) , but does n't do voice prompts .
VZW Nav just looks like a cheap nav app and for the $ 10 a month , you 'd be better off purchasing the Garmin app for $ 100 .
Now here 's the big issue... the BB GPS chip works apparently by talking to the cell tower .
I 've tried turning the feature to enhance the GPS location off , and things like Geotagging my photos wo n't work when I have little to no cell service , even if the GPS signal is strong .
I purchased a cheap $ 30 16 channel Bluetooth GPS receiver , and when it 's paired the GPS feature works with full or no cell service .
I 'm not sure how many other phones have this happen , and I 'm not sure if there 's a work around for the BB Storm , but from what I 've seen the stand alone GPS units are still the way to go ( $ 200 garmin ) as some also work as a hands free device for those states that require that .
But if I did have to use a GPS program on a cell phone , the phone better have a large screen , such as the Storm , and have a well laid-out and clean UI such as the Garmin app.. Nothing like the VZW Nav interface .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a big issue that's missed here... I have verizon and live in central PA (State College area).
When you head out from town, cell coverage is next to non-existent.
It's very hit and miss, you can send a text out in some spots, but not make or receive a call.
I've tried using the VZW Navigator app during the free trial on my BB Storm.
I've tried using the garmin app for BB's free trial, and I've used Google Maps.
Garmin's app for the BB has the best feel overall, and can be integrated with Panoramio, which is neat.
Google's works for finding places or people (Latitude), but doesn't do voice prompts.
VZW Nav just looks like a cheap nav app and for the $10 a month, you'd be better off purchasing the Garmin app for $100.
Now here's the big issue... the BB GPS chip works apparently by talking to the cell tower.
I've tried turning the feature to enhance the GPS location off, and things like Geotagging my photos won't work when I have little to no cell service, even if the GPS signal is strong.
I purchased a cheap $30 16 channel Bluetooth GPS receiver, and when it's paired the GPS feature works with full or no cell service.
I'm not sure how many other phones have this happen, and I'm not sure if there's a work around for the BB Storm, but from what I've seen the stand alone GPS units are still the way to go ($200 garmin) as some also work as a hands free device for those states that require that.
But if I did have to use a GPS program on a cell phone, the phone better have a large screen, such as the Storm, and have a well laid-out and clean UI such as the Garmin app.. Nothing like the VZW Nav interface.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28647123</id>
	<title>Re:80\% of iPhone users?</title>
	<author>jfanning</author>
	<datestamp>1247219520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If 80\% of the iPhone users use it for turn by turn directions RIGHT NOW, just what application are they using?</p></div><p>The article is a crock. iPhone users DO NOT have turn by turn navigation, only Googles manual route planning. And if they are using that while driving they all need a smack around the ears with a very heavy clue stick.</p><p>Real turn by turn knows where you are and gives you hands-free visual and voice directions on where to turn next along with immediate replanning if you miss a corner.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If 80 \ % of the iPhone users use it for turn by turn directions RIGHT NOW , just what application are they using ? The article is a crock .
iPhone users DO NOT have turn by turn navigation , only Googles manual route planning .
And if they are using that while driving they all need a smack around the ears with a very heavy clue stick.Real turn by turn knows where you are and gives you hands-free visual and voice directions on where to turn next along with immediate replanning if you miss a corner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If 80\% of the iPhone users use it for turn by turn directions RIGHT NOW, just what application are they using?The article is a crock.
iPhone users DO NOT have turn by turn navigation, only Googles manual route planning.
And if they are using that while driving they all need a smack around the ears with a very heavy clue stick.Real turn by turn knows where you are and gives you hands-free visual and voice directions on where to turn next along with immediate replanning if you miss a corner.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637457</id>
	<title>80\% of iPhone?</title>
	<author>EnglishTim</author>
	<datestamp>1247157540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>80\%? Surely 80\% of iPhone users don't have GPS in their phones, considering the original iPhone didn't have GPS...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>80 \ % ?
Surely 80 \ % of iPhone users do n't have GPS in their phones , considering the original iPhone did n't have GPS.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>80\%?
Surely 80\% of iPhone users don't have GPS in their phones, considering the original iPhone didn't have GPS...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636655</id>
	<title>80\% of iPhone users?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247154420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If 80\% of the iPhone users use it for turn by turn directions RIGHT NOW, just what application are they using? If they are referring to the google maps application, it isn't something that you'd use while driving, like a true GPS device does. It's the same as using your web browser to get directions to a location and printing it out, but conveniently the article doesn't mention the percentage of users who use the web browser to print directions.  It just simply took a simple scenario, distorted the facts and presented it as evidence.</p><p>It also didn't mention other big reasons that people don't buy standalone GPS devices - it's already integrated in the car.  A second factor is that buying standalone devices increases the chances of someone breaking into the car to stealing it, often causing more damage than the device is worth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If 80 \ % of the iPhone users use it for turn by turn directions RIGHT NOW , just what application are they using ?
If they are referring to the google maps application , it is n't something that you 'd use while driving , like a true GPS device does .
It 's the same as using your web browser to get directions to a location and printing it out , but conveniently the article does n't mention the percentage of users who use the web browser to print directions .
It just simply took a simple scenario , distorted the facts and presented it as evidence.It also did n't mention other big reasons that people do n't buy standalone GPS devices - it 's already integrated in the car .
A second factor is that buying standalone devices increases the chances of someone breaking into the car to stealing it , often causing more damage than the device is worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If 80\% of the iPhone users use it for turn by turn directions RIGHT NOW, just what application are they using?
If they are referring to the google maps application, it isn't something that you'd use while driving, like a true GPS device does.
It's the same as using your web browser to get directions to a location and printing it out, but conveniently the article doesn't mention the percentage of users who use the web browser to print directions.
It just simply took a simple scenario, distorted the facts and presented it as evidence.It also didn't mention other big reasons that people don't buy standalone GPS devices - it's already integrated in the car.
A second factor is that buying standalone devices increases the chances of someone breaking into the car to stealing it, often causing more damage than the device is worth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636477</id>
	<title>Like texting?</title>
	<author>grangerg</author>
	<datestamp>1247153760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The first thing I think of when someone uses their phone for directions is them squinting at the screen while holding it in their hand; that's been my experience watching others (iPhone &amp; G1). It feels like it's right between taking a phone call w/o a hands-free set and texting (but closer to texting since it diverts your eyes).
<p>
There's only so much that "voice guidance" can do, and it never seems to be enough to remove the need to see, or mess with, the map.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first thing I think of when someone uses their phone for directions is them squinting at the screen while holding it in their hand ; that 's been my experience watching others ( iPhone &amp; G1 ) .
It feels like it 's right between taking a phone call w/o a hands-free set and texting ( but closer to texting since it diverts your eyes ) .
There 's only so much that " voice guidance " can do , and it never seems to be enough to remove the need to see , or mess with , the map .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first thing I think of when someone uses their phone for directions is them squinting at the screen while holding it in their hand; that's been my experience watching others (iPhone &amp; G1).
It feels like it's right between taking a phone call w/o a hands-free set and texting (but closer to texting since it diverts your eyes).
There's only so much that "voice guidance" can do, and it never seems to be enough to remove the need to see, or mess with, the map.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637775</id>
	<title>Netcraft comfirms it!</title>
	<author>0xdeadbeef</author>
	<datestamp>1247158920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And in other news, due to the preponderance of cell phones that play music, car audio systems are going the way of the dodo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And in other news , due to the preponderance of cell phones that play music , car audio systems are going the way of the dodo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And in other news, due to the preponderance of cell phones that play music, car audio systems are going the way of the dodo.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637443</id>
	<title>Re:Tax Funded GPS...why the hell should we pay?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247157480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ehh?  Google maps is free, and works on my phone at least.  I know AT&amp;T has some sort of pay per use gps service, although I've never used it.</p><p>The only thing it dosen't do is give you real time directions, or have cached maps.  Real time directions would be nice, but I think you'd still be screwed with the phone company's version if you go out of cell range.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ehh ?
Google maps is free , and works on my phone at least .
I know AT&amp;T has some sort of pay per use gps service , although I 've never used it.The only thing it dose n't do is give you real time directions , or have cached maps .
Real time directions would be nice , but I think you 'd still be screwed with the phone company 's version if you go out of cell range .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ehh?
Google maps is free, and works on my phone at least.
I know AT&amp;T has some sort of pay per use gps service, although I've never used it.The only thing it dosen't do is give you real time directions, or have cached maps.
Real time directions would be nice, but I think you'd still be screwed with the phone company's version if you go out of cell range.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636507</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636301</id>
	<title>87.2674\% of statistics are made up</title>
	<author>iamagloworm</author>
	<datestamp>1247153340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>really, 80\% of iphone users use applications that were only released a month ago? fishy statistics. (i.e. made up)</htmltext>
<tokenext>really , 80 \ % of iphone users use applications that were only released a month ago ?
fishy statistics .
( i.e. made up )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>really, 80\% of iphone users use applications that were only released a month ago?
fishy statistics.
(i.e. made up)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637123</id>
	<title>Re:Tax Funded GPS...why the hell should we pay?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247156160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're not paying for GPS.  If you're paying anything after you've bought the device, it's for the maps and turn-by-turn directions.</p><p>GPS only tells you where you are, not where to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're not paying for GPS .
If you 're paying anything after you 've bought the device , it 's for the maps and turn-by-turn directions.GPS only tells you where you are , not where to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're not paying for GPS.
If you're paying anything after you've bought the device, it's for the maps and turn-by-turn directions.GPS only tells you where you are, not where to go.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636619</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking from under my tinfoil hat...</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1247154300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From under your tinfoil hat, you won't get much signal at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From under your tinfoil hat , you wo n't get much signal at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From under your tinfoil hat, you won't get much signal at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636293</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28639553</id>
	<title>Re:I think there is a bit of a stretch here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247166240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>With the downturn in the economy it only stands to figure that gizmos like GPS are falling off a lot of people's shopping lists.</p></div></blockquote><p>I agree&mdash;if GPS sales are dropping, it's probably more related to the economy than to people using cell phones for the same purpose because they are better. That's because they are <em>not</em> better.</p><p>I'm dysgeographic[1], so a GPS is a must-have for me while driving. Have you ever tried driving while holding your cell phone, trying to see the map on the little screen? Not good. Sure, they make windshield mounts for the things, but that brings with it a whole new level of impracticability. The screen is still tiny, the controls (tiny buttons) are much harder to use than those of a dedicated GPS, and when (if) you arrive at your destination, you have to pry your cell phone off your windshield so you can take it with you. A decent dedicated GPS for my car can be had for around $200; <em>and</em> I don't have to pay those ridiculous network access fee my cell company would demand if I used my phone as a GPS, so if my GPS ever breaks, I'm buying another one.</p><p>[1]<strong>dysgeographia</strong>: A psycho-neurological disorder that manifests itself as being perpetually lost. Dysgeographics typically can't remember how to get to <em>any</em> place, no matter how often they have been there before (like work or home), and cannot follow the simplest directions&mdash;especially if they make reference to mysterious things like "north" or "east". (Not to be confused with <strong>dyschronia</strong>, the condition of never knowing what time it is. Some unfortunate individuals (such as I) suffer from both conditions. This leads to serious errors in navigating the consensual space-time continuum that could easily have fatal consequences.)</p><p>I would urge you to contribute to the American Association for the Preservation of the Dygeographic and Dyschronic (AAPDD), of which I am president, were it not for the fact that I am also acutely paranoid, and cannot bring myself to publicize my real name, or the address of the Association. In fact, were I  to overcome these latter handicaps, I might be able to recruit members. But what would be the point? &mdash;none of them could ever find the meetings, or remember when they were.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With the downturn in the economy it only stands to figure that gizmos like GPS are falling off a lot of people 's shopping lists.I agree    if GPS sales are dropping , it 's probably more related to the economy than to people using cell phones for the same purpose because they are better .
That 's because they are not better.I 'm dysgeographic [ 1 ] , so a GPS is a must-have for me while driving .
Have you ever tried driving while holding your cell phone , trying to see the map on the little screen ?
Not good .
Sure , they make windshield mounts for the things , but that brings with it a whole new level of impracticability .
The screen is still tiny , the controls ( tiny buttons ) are much harder to use than those of a dedicated GPS , and when ( if ) you arrive at your destination , you have to pry your cell phone off your windshield so you can take it with you .
A decent dedicated GPS for my car can be had for around $ 200 ; and I do n't have to pay those ridiculous network access fee my cell company would demand if I used my phone as a GPS , so if my GPS ever breaks , I 'm buying another one .
[ 1 ] dysgeographia : A psycho-neurological disorder that manifests itself as being perpetually lost .
Dysgeographics typically ca n't remember how to get to any place , no matter how often they have been there before ( like work or home ) , and can not follow the simplest directions    especially if they make reference to mysterious things like " north " or " east " .
( Not to be confused with dyschronia , the condition of never knowing what time it is .
Some unfortunate individuals ( such as I ) suffer from both conditions .
This leads to serious errors in navigating the consensual space-time continuum that could easily have fatal consequences .
) I would urge you to contribute to the American Association for the Preservation of the Dygeographic and Dyschronic ( AAPDD ) , of which I am president , were it not for the fact that I am also acutely paranoid , and can not bring myself to publicize my real name , or the address of the Association .
In fact , were I to overcome these latter handicaps , I might be able to recruit members .
But what would be the point ?
   none of them could ever find the meetings , or remember when they were .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the downturn in the economy it only stands to figure that gizmos like GPS are falling off a lot of people's shopping lists.I agree—if GPS sales are dropping, it's probably more related to the economy than to people using cell phones for the same purpose because they are better.
That's because they are not better.I'm dysgeographic[1], so a GPS is a must-have for me while driving.
Have you ever tried driving while holding your cell phone, trying to see the map on the little screen?
Not good.
Sure, they make windshield mounts for the things, but that brings with it a whole new level of impracticability.
The screen is still tiny, the controls (tiny buttons) are much harder to use than those of a dedicated GPS, and when (if) you arrive at your destination, you have to pry your cell phone off your windshield so you can take it with you.
A decent dedicated GPS for my car can be had for around $200; and I don't have to pay those ridiculous network access fee my cell company would demand if I used my phone as a GPS, so if my GPS ever breaks, I'm buying another one.
[1]dysgeographia: A psycho-neurological disorder that manifests itself as being perpetually lost.
Dysgeographics typically can't remember how to get to any place, no matter how often they have been there before (like work or home), and cannot follow the simplest directions—especially if they make reference to mysterious things like "north" or "east".
(Not to be confused with dyschronia, the condition of never knowing what time it is.
Some unfortunate individuals (such as I) suffer from both conditions.
This leads to serious errors in navigating the consensual space-time continuum that could easily have fatal consequences.
)I would urge you to contribute to the American Association for the Preservation of the Dygeographic and Dyschronic (AAPDD), of which I am president, were it not for the fact that I am also acutely paranoid, and cannot bring myself to publicize my real name, or the address of the Association.
In fact, were I  to overcome these latter handicaps, I might be able to recruit members.
But what would be the point?
—none of them could ever find the meetings, or remember when they were.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636917</id>
	<title>Re:I think there is a bit of a stretch here...</title>
	<author>jrumney</author>
	<datestamp>1247155380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Phones will replace purpose made GPS devices just like they replaced purpose made cameras before.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...oh wait.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Phones will replace purpose made GPS devices just like they replaced purpose made cameras before .
...oh wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Phones will replace purpose made GPS devices just like they replaced purpose made cameras before.
...oh wait.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636255</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637559</id>
	<title>iPods going away too</title>
	<author>Trip6</author>
	<datestamp>1247157900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everything will end up in one handheld device.  Inevitable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything will end up in one handheld device .
Inevitable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything will end up in one handheld device.
Inevitable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638697</id>
	<title>No marine charts for phones</title>
	<author>adaviel</author>
	<datestamp>1247163060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A phone is not going to replace my Garmin, because there are no charts (or NMEA). For a boater, that could be life-and-death (MV Queen of the North, no-one checking GPS), or thousands of dollars damage, or maybe just being stuck for 8 hours waiting for the tide (been there, done that, mostly pre-GPS or without the right chart). Google terrain won't cut it because it doesn't show enough detail underwater.
Granted, Garmin/Magellan etc. could licence their charts to the phone makers, and the best GPS (or camera) is the one you have with you.
On the other hand, for wandering around the city or just breadcrumbing a hike, a smartphone can replace a pocket GPS, plus it's networked. I use my Nokia tablet with (cached) Google Maps in Maemo Mapper, and push routes to it from my PC. A big-screen set would be safer in the car, though (less need to take eyes off the road and fiddle with tiny buttons) and a waterproof/vibration-proof set would be better on my motorcycle (where a GPS sure beats messing with paper maps!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>A phone is not going to replace my Garmin , because there are no charts ( or NMEA ) .
For a boater , that could be life-and-death ( MV Queen of the North , no-one checking GPS ) , or thousands of dollars damage , or maybe just being stuck for 8 hours waiting for the tide ( been there , done that , mostly pre-GPS or without the right chart ) .
Google terrain wo n't cut it because it does n't show enough detail underwater .
Granted , Garmin/Magellan etc .
could licence their charts to the phone makers , and the best GPS ( or camera ) is the one you have with you .
On the other hand , for wandering around the city or just breadcrumbing a hike , a smartphone can replace a pocket GPS , plus it 's networked .
I use my Nokia tablet with ( cached ) Google Maps in Maemo Mapper , and push routes to it from my PC .
A big-screen set would be safer in the car , though ( less need to take eyes off the road and fiddle with tiny buttons ) and a waterproof/vibration-proof set would be better on my motorcycle ( where a GPS sure beats messing with paper maps !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A phone is not going to replace my Garmin, because there are no charts (or NMEA).
For a boater, that could be life-and-death (MV Queen of the North, no-one checking GPS), or thousands of dollars damage, or maybe just being stuck for 8 hours waiting for the tide (been there, done that, mostly pre-GPS or without the right chart).
Google terrain won't cut it because it doesn't show enough detail underwater.
Granted, Garmin/Magellan etc.
could licence their charts to the phone makers, and the best GPS (or camera) is the one you have with you.
On the other hand, for wandering around the city or just breadcrumbing a hike, a smartphone can replace a pocket GPS, plus it's networked.
I use my Nokia tablet with (cached) Google Maps in Maemo Mapper, and push routes to it from my PC.
A big-screen set would be safer in the car, though (less need to take eyes off the road and fiddle with tiny buttons) and a waterproof/vibration-proof set would be better on my motorcycle (where a GPS sure beats messing with paper maps!
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638009</id>
	<title>Re:GPS is all software anyway</title>
	<author>Buelldozer</author>
	<datestamp>1247160120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree with you almost entirely.</p><p>Dedicated GPS hardware has a lot of value for applications OUTSIDE your car. Hiking, Camping, Backpacking, Geocaching, or in my case back country ATV'ing.</p><p>An Iphone wouldn't last 2 hours mounted to the handlebars of my ATV like my Garmin Etrex Hcx is. The dust, water, or heavy vibration would quickly kill any smartphone in this application. Batteries are another issue. I can easily change the 2 AAs that drive my Etrex, but how do you accomplish this 40 miles from anywhere with your Iphone?</p><p>By any measure you're ignoring all of those uses for GPS OUTSIDE the car, and by doing so you're almost completely missing the value of dedicated GPS hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree with you almost entirely.Dedicated GPS hardware has a lot of value for applications OUTSIDE your car .
Hiking , Camping , Backpacking , Geocaching , or in my case back country ATV'ing.An Iphone would n't last 2 hours mounted to the handlebars of my ATV like my Garmin Etrex Hcx is .
The dust , water , or heavy vibration would quickly kill any smartphone in this application .
Batteries are another issue .
I can easily change the 2 AAs that drive my Etrex , but how do you accomplish this 40 miles from anywhere with your Iphone ? By any measure you 're ignoring all of those uses for GPS OUTSIDE the car , and by doing so you 're almost completely missing the value of dedicated GPS hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree with you almost entirely.Dedicated GPS hardware has a lot of value for applications OUTSIDE your car.
Hiking, Camping, Backpacking, Geocaching, or in my case back country ATV'ing.An Iphone wouldn't last 2 hours mounted to the handlebars of my ATV like my Garmin Etrex Hcx is.
The dust, water, or heavy vibration would quickly kill any smartphone in this application.
Batteries are another issue.
I can easily change the 2 AAs that drive my Etrex, but how do you accomplish this 40 miles from anywhere with your Iphone?By any measure you're ignoring all of those uses for GPS OUTSIDE the car, and by doing so you're almost completely missing the value of dedicated GPS hardware.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636529</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638601</id>
	<title>Re:80\% of iPhone users?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247162580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder what app is useful for these 80\% of iPhone users, and wonder also how they mount them to be easily seen while driving?  Since we are making statistics up, I believe the number of people that use their iPhone to truly replace a traditional GPS is closer to 7\%.</p><p>Seriously, I love my iPhone, but my garmin has a battery all it's own, a much better screen to look at, stays in my car at all times, plays music on SD cards over an integrated FM transmitter, and works as a pretty decent speakerphone bluetooth device.  Plus, it pauses to music to give me directions over car speakers and when I receive a call.</p><p>Sure I might have to take it out of the glove box when I get in the car, but I don't have to take my phone out of my pocket to talk.</p><p>All this I got for 80 bucks on eBay with no subscription fee.  Sure I could buy a new map for it, but there haven't been that many roads built in the last year and a half that I am concerned with driving on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what app is useful for these 80 \ % of iPhone users , and wonder also how they mount them to be easily seen while driving ?
Since we are making statistics up , I believe the number of people that use their iPhone to truly replace a traditional GPS is closer to 7 \ % .Seriously , I love my iPhone , but my garmin has a battery all it 's own , a much better screen to look at , stays in my car at all times , plays music on SD cards over an integrated FM transmitter , and works as a pretty decent speakerphone bluetooth device .
Plus , it pauses to music to give me directions over car speakers and when I receive a call.Sure I might have to take it out of the glove box when I get in the car , but I do n't have to take my phone out of my pocket to talk.All this I got for 80 bucks on eBay with no subscription fee .
Sure I could buy a new map for it , but there have n't been that many roads built in the last year and a half that I am concerned with driving on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what app is useful for these 80\% of iPhone users, and wonder also how they mount them to be easily seen while driving?
Since we are making statistics up, I believe the number of people that use their iPhone to truly replace a traditional GPS is closer to 7\%.Seriously, I love my iPhone, but my garmin has a battery all it's own, a much better screen to look at, stays in my car at all times, plays music on SD cards over an integrated FM transmitter, and works as a pretty decent speakerphone bluetooth device.
Plus, it pauses to music to give me directions over car speakers and when I receive a call.Sure I might have to take it out of the glove box when I get in the car, but I don't have to take my phone out of my pocket to talk.All this I got for 80 bucks on eBay with no subscription fee.
Sure I could buy a new map for it, but there haven't been that many roads built in the last year and a half that I am concerned with driving on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28673521</id>
	<title>Are We Forgetting TomTom for PDAs?</title>
	<author>talyene</author>
	<datestamp>1247476680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>TomTom has made their software available for Windows Mobile devices for as long as I can remember.

I definitely wouldn't be caught without it on my Touch Pro2, it's an absolute godsend.

Guess they're ahead of the market in this game, at least in the UK.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TomTom has made their software available for Windows Mobile devices for as long as I can remember .
I definitely would n't be caught without it on my Touch Pro2 , it 's an absolute godsend .
Guess they 're ahead of the market in this game , at least in the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TomTom has made their software available for Windows Mobile devices for as long as I can remember.
I definitely wouldn't be caught without it on my Touch Pro2, it's an absolute godsend.
Guess they're ahead of the market in this game, at least in the UK.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28639245</id>
	<title>Umm, excuse me?</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1247165040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Secondly, good luck trying to drive in a city like Boston without a GPS</p></div></blockquote><p>Right, because no one ever drove in Boston before they invented GPS. Look, I agree that GPS units are really, really handy, but even way back at the dawn of time, in the eternal mists of the past, even before... the Internet (cue trumpet blast)... people still managed to drive with these things called maps. Which you bought pre-printed on a substance called "paper". Even in Boston.</p><p>I'll agree that a standalone unit is probably going to be better than a phone GPS, for much the same reason that a standalone camera is better than a phone camera. But that doesn't mean the phone-based versions of these things aren't pretty damn handy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Secondly , good luck trying to drive in a city like Boston without a GPSRight , because no one ever drove in Boston before they invented GPS .
Look , I agree that GPS units are really , really handy , but even way back at the dawn of time , in the eternal mists of the past , even before... the Internet ( cue trumpet blast ) ... people still managed to drive with these things called maps .
Which you bought pre-printed on a substance called " paper " .
Even in Boston.I 'll agree that a standalone unit is probably going to be better than a phone GPS , for much the same reason that a standalone camera is better than a phone camera .
But that does n't mean the phone-based versions of these things are n't pretty damn handy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Secondly, good luck trying to drive in a city like Boston without a GPSRight, because no one ever drove in Boston before they invented GPS.
Look, I agree that GPS units are really, really handy, but even way back at the dawn of time, in the eternal mists of the past, even before... the Internet (cue trumpet blast)... people still managed to drive with these things called maps.
Which you bought pre-printed on a substance called "paper".
Even in Boston.I'll agree that a standalone unit is probably going to be better than a phone GPS, for much the same reason that a standalone camera is better than a phone camera.
But that doesn't mean the phone-based versions of these things aren't pretty damn handy.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28640281</id>
	<title>Re:Standalones rock</title>
	<author>not-my-real-name</author>
	<datestamp>1247168940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have driven in Boston without a GPS.  Granted, it was mainly to and from Logan.</p><p>I've also driven around Europe (5000km) with nothing but paper maps and road signs.  Much of it is just a bit of common sense - if you're heading towards Paris and you see a sign that says "Paris thataway", maybe you'd better go thataway.  If you want to go the the Mediterranean from Paris, drive south until you hit a major highway heading south.  All major highways are numbered and just look for the number that goes where you want to go.</p><p>One neat thing that I noticed in Brussles was that there were signs along the ring road that had a diagram of the road with a little dot representing where you were.  Since we were heading south, I just waited until I found a sign with the dot at the bottom and looked for a major highway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have driven in Boston without a GPS .
Granted , it was mainly to and from Logan.I 've also driven around Europe ( 5000km ) with nothing but paper maps and road signs .
Much of it is just a bit of common sense - if you 're heading towards Paris and you see a sign that says " Paris thataway " , maybe you 'd better go thataway .
If you want to go the the Mediterranean from Paris , drive south until you hit a major highway heading south .
All major highways are numbered and just look for the number that goes where you want to go.One neat thing that I noticed in Brussles was that there were signs along the ring road that had a diagram of the road with a little dot representing where you were .
Since we were heading south , I just waited until I found a sign with the dot at the bottom and looked for a major highway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have driven in Boston without a GPS.
Granted, it was mainly to and from Logan.I've also driven around Europe (5000km) with nothing but paper maps and road signs.
Much of it is just a bit of common sense - if you're heading towards Paris and you see a sign that says "Paris thataway", maybe you'd better go thataway.
If you want to go the the Mediterranean from Paris, drive south until you hit a major highway heading south.
All major highways are numbered and just look for the number that goes where you want to go.One neat thing that I noticed in Brussles was that there were signs along the ring road that had a diagram of the road with a little dot representing where you were.
Since we were heading south, I just waited until I found a sign with the dot at the bottom and looked for a major highway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637723</id>
	<title>Re:I want a HUD in my car</title>
	<author>cbiltcliffe</author>
	<datestamp>1247158680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are people who already can't see what's plain as day ahead of them.</p><p>You want to add the distraction of a HUD, with little moving blips and sprites in front of their face, so they're even worse drivers?</p><p>Sure, it works in fighter jets, but fighter pilots, for a start, are highly trained, and probably strung piano-wire taught the entire time they're flying.  Also, the HUD in a fighter tends to give you information you'd need to look elsewhere for otherwise, or it helps enhance the view in front of you. Like, highlighting the plane you're shooting at with a red bracket.</p><p>Car drivers, on the other hand, are rarely trained at all, already distracted by their kids, radio, dinner, cigarette, etc.  A HUD for GPS navigation wouldn't highlight the car they're going to run into, it would cover it up with a street name.  It wouldn't give them speed and fuel indicators, so they don't have to look at the dash.</p><p>For a few people, yes, it would work very well.  For the vast majority, it would be a nightmare.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are people who already ca n't see what 's plain as day ahead of them.You want to add the distraction of a HUD , with little moving blips and sprites in front of their face , so they 're even worse drivers ? Sure , it works in fighter jets , but fighter pilots , for a start , are highly trained , and probably strung piano-wire taught the entire time they 're flying .
Also , the HUD in a fighter tends to give you information you 'd need to look elsewhere for otherwise , or it helps enhance the view in front of you .
Like , highlighting the plane you 're shooting at with a red bracket.Car drivers , on the other hand , are rarely trained at all , already distracted by their kids , radio , dinner , cigarette , etc .
A HUD for GPS navigation would n't highlight the car they 're going to run into , it would cover it up with a street name .
It would n't give them speed and fuel indicators , so they do n't have to look at the dash.For a few people , yes , it would work very well .
For the vast majority , it would be a nightmare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are people who already can't see what's plain as day ahead of them.You want to add the distraction of a HUD, with little moving blips and sprites in front of their face, so they're even worse drivers?Sure, it works in fighter jets, but fighter pilots, for a start, are highly trained, and probably strung piano-wire taught the entire time they're flying.
Also, the HUD in a fighter tends to give you information you'd need to look elsewhere for otherwise, or it helps enhance the view in front of you.
Like, highlighting the plane you're shooting at with a red bracket.Car drivers, on the other hand, are rarely trained at all, already distracted by their kids, radio, dinner, cigarette, etc.
A HUD for GPS navigation wouldn't highlight the car they're going to run into, it would cover it up with a street name.
It wouldn't give them speed and fuel indicators, so they don't have to look at the dash.For a few people, yes, it would work very well.
For the vast majority, it would be a nightmare.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638345</id>
	<title>buggy whips</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1247161560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
It's been a bizarre progression.  A few years ago I got a new stereo for the car which included (amongst other things) a navigator with turn-by-turn instructions.  It was really expensive.  Map updates for this beast are available every two years for a street price of about $150.  (List price $270.)
</p><p>
A short time later, I could buy a Garmin (with free map updates) for the cost of just the map updates for my current, car-bound GPS.  (You'd think the manufacturer of my unit would respond to this market reality by lowering the price of their updates.  Nope.)
</p><p>
But I don't have to buy a Garmin, because a few months ago I acquired a free application on my Blackberry that gives turn-by-turn instructions and also has free updates.
</p><p>
I can see the appliance manufacturers moving to software solutions to survive.  I hope they realize that ease of use is paramount.  I've rejected a few apps because they were too annoying to program.
</p><p>
But I suspect there will always be specialist applications for GPS that require an appliance.  For when you need a screen bigger than 3 inches wide, or you're away from cellular service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been a bizarre progression .
A few years ago I got a new stereo for the car which included ( amongst other things ) a navigator with turn-by-turn instructions .
It was really expensive .
Map updates for this beast are available every two years for a street price of about $ 150 .
( List price $ 270 .
) A short time later , I could buy a Garmin ( with free map updates ) for the cost of just the map updates for my current , car-bound GPS .
( You 'd think the manufacturer of my unit would respond to this market reality by lowering the price of their updates .
Nope. ) But I do n't have to buy a Garmin , because a few months ago I acquired a free application on my Blackberry that gives turn-by-turn instructions and also has free updates .
I can see the appliance manufacturers moving to software solutions to survive .
I hope they realize that ease of use is paramount .
I 've rejected a few apps because they were too annoying to program .
But I suspect there will always be specialist applications for GPS that require an appliance .
For when you need a screen bigger than 3 inches wide , or you 're away from cellular service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
It's been a bizarre progression.
A few years ago I got a new stereo for the car which included (amongst other things) a navigator with turn-by-turn instructions.
It was really expensive.
Map updates for this beast are available every two years for a street price of about $150.
(List price $270.
)

A short time later, I could buy a Garmin (with free map updates) for the cost of just the map updates for my current, car-bound GPS.
(You'd think the manufacturer of my unit would respond to this market reality by lowering the price of their updates.
Nope.)

But I don't have to buy a Garmin, because a few months ago I acquired a free application on my Blackberry that gives turn-by-turn instructions and also has free updates.
I can see the appliance manufacturers moving to software solutions to survive.
I hope they realize that ease of use is paramount.
I've rejected a few apps because they were too annoying to program.
But I suspect there will always be specialist applications for GPS that require an appliance.
For when you need a screen bigger than 3 inches wide, or you're away from cellular service.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636535</id>
	<title>Re:87.2674\% of statistics are made up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247153940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The iPhone always had turn by turn directions... it just didn't have voice navigation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone always had turn by turn directions... it just did n't have voice navigation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone always had turn by turn directions... it just didn't have voice navigation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636357</id>
	<title>I Use Both</title>
	<author>therpham</author>
	<datestamp>1247153460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have an iPhone and a dedicated GPS unit because I don't want my phone triple-tasking as a phone, music player, and GPS unit while I'm driving. I don't trust it to do that many things at once without them tripping over each other at some point.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an iPhone and a dedicated GPS unit because I do n't want my phone triple-tasking as a phone , music player , and GPS unit while I 'm driving .
I do n't trust it to do that many things at once without them tripping over each other at some point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an iPhone and a dedicated GPS unit because I don't want my phone triple-tasking as a phone, music player, and GPS unit while I'm driving.
I don't trust it to do that many things at once without them tripping over each other at some point.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636521</id>
	<title>Re:I think there is a bit of a stretch here...</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1247153940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly, unemployment is way up, the economy is down with no improvement in sight and sales of a product that is not a necessity are way down. Those sales must be down because of smart phones.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/s</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly , unemployment is way up , the economy is down with no improvement in sight and sales of a product that is not a necessity are way down .
Those sales must be down because of smart phones .
/s</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly, unemployment is way up, the economy is down with no improvement in sight and sales of a product that is not a necessity are way down.
Those sales must be down because of smart phones.
/s</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28647675</id>
	<title>The way of the (standalone) GPS</title>
	<author>jasper\_amsterdam</author>
	<datestamp>1247227620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the article is correct, in that people will no longer want to buy TomToms. However, what I think the future of such apps (standalone or otherwise) is in advertizing. You get the GPS device for free, but it will tell you when you're passing a McDonald's (in case your kids were dozing and missed the sign), what special offers are available in the stores you're passing, etc. Basically, it's google's business model expanded to the GPS computer. Maybe google should just buy up TomTom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the article is correct , in that people will no longer want to buy TomToms .
However , what I think the future of such apps ( standalone or otherwise ) is in advertizing .
You get the GPS device for free , but it will tell you when you 're passing a McDonald 's ( in case your kids were dozing and missed the sign ) , what special offers are available in the stores you 're passing , etc .
Basically , it 's google 's business model expanded to the GPS computer .
Maybe google should just buy up TomTom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the article is correct, in that people will no longer want to buy TomToms.
However, what I think the future of such apps (standalone or otherwise) is in advertizing.
You get the GPS device for free, but it will tell you when you're passing a McDonald's (in case your kids were dozing and missed the sign), what special offers are available in the stores you're passing, etc.
Basically, it's google's business model expanded to the GPS computer.
Maybe google should just buy up TomTom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638129</id>
	<title>Fuck the cellphone companies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247160720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, what's with the trend to move from independent, dedicated purpose devices which do their job well to a set of half arsed, low quality implementations locked in to a monthly contract where the phone company has a level of control over their users that would impress the Stasi?</p><p>No thank you very much, I'll stick to my separate GPS, digital camera and landline, with a cheap mobile on PAYG for when it's unavoidable. Cell phones don't even work well as *telephones* in my experience, never mind all the other stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , what 's with the trend to move from independent , dedicated purpose devices which do their job well to a set of half arsed , low quality implementations locked in to a monthly contract where the phone company has a level of control over their users that would impress the Stasi ? No thank you very much , I 'll stick to my separate GPS , digital camera and landline , with a cheap mobile on PAYG for when it 's unavoidable .
Cell phones do n't even work well as * telephones * in my experience , never mind all the other stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, what's with the trend to move from independent, dedicated purpose devices which do their job well to a set of half arsed, low quality implementations locked in to a monthly contract where the phone company has a level of control over their users that would impress the Stasi?No thank you very much, I'll stick to my separate GPS, digital camera and landline, with a cheap mobile on PAYG for when it's unavoidable.
Cell phones don't even work well as *telephones* in my experience, never mind all the other stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638473</id>
	<title>OMG!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247162040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SINGULARITIES!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SINGULARITIES ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SINGULARITIES!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28647129</id>
	<title>Re:Call me when phone GPS is any good</title>
	<author>jfanning</author>
	<datestamp>1247219640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The chips sets in the phones I've tried including the one on my Nokia 6220 classic are complete crap compared to my TomTom one XL or my Garmin Etrex Legend Hcx</p></div><p>Weird, my E71 locks on within seconds from inside our house and usually has between 6 and 9 satellites in lock. Works fine for me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The chips sets in the phones I 've tried including the one on my Nokia 6220 classic are complete crap compared to my TomTom one XL or my Garmin Etrex Legend HcxWeird , my E71 locks on within seconds from inside our house and usually has between 6 and 9 satellites in lock .
Works fine for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The chips sets in the phones I've tried including the one on my Nokia 6220 classic are complete crap compared to my TomTom one XL or my Garmin Etrex Legend HcxWeird, my E71 locks on within seconds from inside our house and usually has between 6 and 9 satellites in lock.
Works fine for me.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637679</id>
	<title>Re:but gps-on-phone guis SUCK</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1247158440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://bb.emacf1.com/gpslogger.html" title="emacf1.com">http://bb.emacf1.com/gpslogger.html</a> [emacf1.com]</p><p>He'd probably add Velocity Made Good if you asked.</p><p>Records tracks &amp; timestamps(you'd have to use software to match the timestamps between track &amp; photos, but that's the case with anything else).</p><p>Also supports Elevation only &amp; velocity tracking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //bb.emacf1.com/gpslogger.html [ emacf1.com ] He 'd probably add Velocity Made Good if you asked.Records tracks &amp; timestamps ( you 'd have to use software to match the timestamps between track &amp; photos , but that 's the case with anything else ) .Also supports Elevation only &amp; velocity tracking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://bb.emacf1.com/gpslogger.html [emacf1.com]He'd probably add Velocity Made Good if you asked.Records tracks &amp; timestamps(you'd have to use software to match the timestamps between track &amp; photos, but that's the case with anything else).Also supports Elevation only &amp; velocity tracking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637029</id>
	<title>Vehicle navigation, but not anything else</title>
	<author>shaper</author>
	<datestamp>1247155860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The article (and a lot of comments I have read so far) are only talking about casual navigation GPS, as in vehicle GPS units.  The current crop of phone GPS solutions is inadequate for backpacking, camping, exploring or basically any outdoor activity that takes you very far away from a cell tower or a charging station.
<br> <br>

Most non-dedicated GPS units do not have a compass (the new iPhone 3GS is a notable exception).
<br> <br>

Most non-dedicated GPS units have pretty wretched sensitivity and accuracy compared to dedicated GPS units, especially in rough terrain or heavy tree cover.  Anybody who does much geocaching will know this.  It's no big deal while driving, but it can be very annoying to take the time to claw your way up a steep hillside only to realize you are 100 feet away from where you want to be, on the other side of a deep ravine.  Even with driving, inaccuracy can be annoying, which is why TomTom includes another dedicated (more accurate) GPS in the vehicle mount for the new iPhone.
<br> <br>

Most phones do not use standard AA or AAA batteries, making it more difficult and expensive to carry spares out away from electrical connections.
<br> <br>

Some (most?) phone-based GPS solutions do not even install maps locally on the device, instead relying on cellular communications to download maps live, making them totally useless outside of cell coverage.  AT&amp;T's recently announced product for the iPhone is one example.
<br> <br>

Rain (or anything else that might get the unit wet).  There are many dedicated GPS units available that have various levels of water resistance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article ( and a lot of comments I have read so far ) are only talking about casual navigation GPS , as in vehicle GPS units .
The current crop of phone GPS solutions is inadequate for backpacking , camping , exploring or basically any outdoor activity that takes you very far away from a cell tower or a charging station .
Most non-dedicated GPS units do not have a compass ( the new iPhone 3GS is a notable exception ) .
Most non-dedicated GPS units have pretty wretched sensitivity and accuracy compared to dedicated GPS units , especially in rough terrain or heavy tree cover .
Anybody who does much geocaching will know this .
It 's no big deal while driving , but it can be very annoying to take the time to claw your way up a steep hillside only to realize you are 100 feet away from where you want to be , on the other side of a deep ravine .
Even with driving , inaccuracy can be annoying , which is why TomTom includes another dedicated ( more accurate ) GPS in the vehicle mount for the new iPhone .
Most phones do not use standard AA or AAA batteries , making it more difficult and expensive to carry spares out away from electrical connections .
Some ( most ?
) phone-based GPS solutions do not even install maps locally on the device , instead relying on cellular communications to download maps live , making them totally useless outside of cell coverage .
AT&amp;T 's recently announced product for the iPhone is one example .
Rain ( or anything else that might get the unit wet ) .
There are many dedicated GPS units available that have various levels of water resistance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article (and a lot of comments I have read so far) are only talking about casual navigation GPS, as in vehicle GPS units.
The current crop of phone GPS solutions is inadequate for backpacking, camping, exploring or basically any outdoor activity that takes you very far away from a cell tower or a charging station.
Most non-dedicated GPS units do not have a compass (the new iPhone 3GS is a notable exception).
Most non-dedicated GPS units have pretty wretched sensitivity and accuracy compared to dedicated GPS units, especially in rough terrain or heavy tree cover.
Anybody who does much geocaching will know this.
It's no big deal while driving, but it can be very annoying to take the time to claw your way up a steep hillside only to realize you are 100 feet away from where you want to be, on the other side of a deep ravine.
Even with driving, inaccuracy can be annoying, which is why TomTom includes another dedicated (more accurate) GPS in the vehicle mount for the new iPhone.
Most phones do not use standard AA or AAA batteries, making it more difficult and expensive to carry spares out away from electrical connections.
Some (most?
) phone-based GPS solutions do not even install maps locally on the device, instead relying on cellular communications to download maps live, making them totally useless outside of cell coverage.
AT&amp;T's recently announced product for the iPhone is one example.
Rain (or anything else that might get the unit wet).
There are many dedicated GPS units available that have various levels of water resistance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28643311</id>
	<title>Couldn't this be about the economy?</title>
	<author>Targon</author>
	<datestamp>1247138280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the economy in the toilet, it seems that this drop in sales could easily be caused by the economy and not about ANYTHING else.   Sure, some people may use a phone version, but TomTom Navigator 6 for smartphones was there too, and most people wanted to go with the larger dedicated device just because of the screen size alone, plus getting proper support.</p><p>When the economy recovers, I am sure that sales will pick back up again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the economy in the toilet , it seems that this drop in sales could easily be caused by the economy and not about ANYTHING else .
Sure , some people may use a phone version , but TomTom Navigator 6 for smartphones was there too , and most people wanted to go with the larger dedicated device just because of the screen size alone , plus getting proper support.When the economy recovers , I am sure that sales will pick back up again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the economy in the toilet, it seems that this drop in sales could easily be caused by the economy and not about ANYTHING else.
Sure, some people may use a phone version, but TomTom Navigator 6 for smartphones was there too, and most people wanted to go with the larger dedicated device just because of the screen size alone, plus getting proper support.When the economy recovers, I am sure that sales will pick back up again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636621</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking from under my tinfoil hat...</title>
	<author>greed</author>
	<datestamp>1247154300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'd hate my Zumo.  It's got Bluetooth for patching your cellphone into your helmet headset speaker/mic.</p><p>Actually, they can have my Zumo back when they come up with something truly better.  For a bike, it's great; it's got MP3 playback from SD cards, the cellphone patch, and can interface with Bluetooth helmet headsets or wired headsets.  Got rid of a number of wiring issues with one device.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd hate my Zumo .
It 's got Bluetooth for patching your cellphone into your helmet headset speaker/mic.Actually , they can have my Zumo back when they come up with something truly better .
For a bike , it 's great ; it 's got MP3 playback from SD cards , the cellphone patch , and can interface with Bluetooth helmet headsets or wired headsets .
Got rid of a number of wiring issues with one device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd hate my Zumo.
It's got Bluetooth for patching your cellphone into your helmet headset speaker/mic.Actually, they can have my Zumo back when they come up with something truly better.
For a bike, it's great; it's got MP3 playback from SD cards, the cellphone patch, and can interface with Bluetooth helmet headsets or wired headsets.
Got rid of a number of wiring issues with one device.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637957</id>
	<title>Re:I think there is a bit of a stretch here...</title>
	<author>Wolfrider</author>
	<datestamp>1247159820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>--I think standalone GPS manufacturers could secure more of the market by coming out with models that have *bigger screens.*  That's the #1 complaint I have against my Garmin GPS, it's only got like a 4-inch screen, and I'd like to see more of the route.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>--I think standalone GPS manufacturers could secure more of the market by coming out with models that have * bigger screens .
* That 's the # 1 complaint I have against my Garmin GPS , it 's only got like a 4-inch screen , and I 'd like to see more of the route .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>--I think standalone GPS manufacturers could secure more of the market by coming out with models that have *bigger screens.
*  That's the #1 complaint I have against my Garmin GPS, it's only got like a 4-inch screen, and I'd like to see more of the route.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636507</id>
	<title>Re:Tax Funded GPS...why the hell should we pay?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247153880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You pay for the significant effort expended to create the maps.  You pay for the receiving hardware.  You pay for the support and R&amp;D in the prior mentioned items.  If they also had to provide the sats then it would be beyond the means of many of the people that use the system today.  So vote on, I did I have a standalone unit that I use on my motorcycle all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You pay for the significant effort expended to create the maps .
You pay for the receiving hardware .
You pay for the support and R&amp;D in the prior mentioned items .
If they also had to provide the sats then it would be beyond the means of many of the people that use the system today .
So vote on , I did I have a standalone unit that I use on my motorcycle all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You pay for the significant effort expended to create the maps.
You pay for the receiving hardware.
You pay for the support and R&amp;D in the prior mentioned items.
If they also had to provide the sats then it would be beyond the means of many of the people that use the system today.
So vote on, I did I have a standalone unit that I use on my motorcycle all the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28639045</id>
	<title>Re:I'm one of them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247164260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If it's not too cliche, I'd say that it really has changed my life for the better</i></p><p>Your blog is full of zen and philosophy, but it took a phone to change your life?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's not too cliche , I 'd say that it really has changed my life for the betterYour blog is full of zen and philosophy , but it took a phone to change your life ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's not too cliche, I'd say that it really has changed my life for the betterYour blog is full of zen and philosophy, but it took a phone to change your life?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28647901</id>
	<title>Do as few things as possible?</title>
	<author>awyeah</author>
	<datestamp>1247230800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about anyone else, but my standalone Magellan better allows for "doing as few things as possible" when I get into my car.</p><p>Let's take the simplest of GPS operations: Getting the GPS unit up and running and displaying a map with my current location on the screen.</p><p>My BlackBerry:<br>* Unlock the keyboard<br>* Type in the password if it's been long enough since I used it last<br>* Scroll to my "downloads" folder<br>* Scroll to Google Maps or whatever other GPS app and start it<br>* Place the BlackBerry in my windshield mount<br>* (Maybe) plug the charging cable in</p><p>My Magellan Maestro:<br>* Turn on car.</p><p>This might be a little simpler on an iPhone.  For example, maybe you could put your GPS app on the first page of your home screen, so you just have to unlock the keyboard, start the app, mount it on the windshield, and (maybe) plug in the charging cable.  Still sounds like more things to do when you get into the car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about anyone else , but my standalone Magellan better allows for " doing as few things as possible " when I get into my car.Let 's take the simplest of GPS operations : Getting the GPS unit up and running and displaying a map with my current location on the screen.My BlackBerry : * Unlock the keyboard * Type in the password if it 's been long enough since I used it last * Scroll to my " downloads " folder * Scroll to Google Maps or whatever other GPS app and start it * Place the BlackBerry in my windshield mount * ( Maybe ) plug the charging cable inMy Magellan Maestro : * Turn on car.This might be a little simpler on an iPhone .
For example , maybe you could put your GPS app on the first page of your home screen , so you just have to unlock the keyboard , start the app , mount it on the windshield , and ( maybe ) plug in the charging cable .
Still sounds like more things to do when you get into the car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about anyone else, but my standalone Magellan better allows for "doing as few things as possible" when I get into my car.Let's take the simplest of GPS operations: Getting the GPS unit up and running and displaying a map with my current location on the screen.My BlackBerry:* Unlock the keyboard* Type in the password if it's been long enough since I used it last* Scroll to my "downloads" folder* Scroll to Google Maps or whatever other GPS app and start it* Place the BlackBerry in my windshield mount* (Maybe) plug the charging cable inMy Magellan Maestro:* Turn on car.This might be a little simpler on an iPhone.
For example, maybe you could put your GPS app on the first page of your home screen, so you just have to unlock the keyboard, start the app, mount it on the windshield, and (maybe) plug in the charging cable.
Still sounds like more things to do when you get into the car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28646523</id>
	<title>We can only imagine</title>
	<author>ezzthetic</author>
	<datestamp>1247168700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>which way the Dodo would have gone if it had used GPS<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>which way the Dodo would have gone if it had used GPS .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>which way the Dodo would have gone if it had used GPS ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636833</id>
	<title>Re:I like standalone GPS</title>
	<author>morgan\_greywolf</author>
	<datestamp>1247155080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed.  Standalone GPS:</p><ul> <li>has a bigger screen</li><li>is actually designed to sit on the dash</li><li>does not require a cellular phone plan or contract of any kind[1]</li><li><p>oh, and one more thing:</p></li><li>most cellphones <strong>do not</strong> have a <strong>real</strong> GPS receiver, but instead use cell tower triangulation to provide a sort of pseudo-GPS, which means that GPS receivers will work in the middle of nowhere, <strong>where you're most likely to get lost</strong>,  whereas a cellphone won't.</li></ul><p>IOW, any down-surge in GPS sales will soon correct itself as gazillions of clueless morons realize that the cellphone-as-GPS is completely useless outside of a big city.</p><p>[1] But you will need to either purchase map updates separately or by subscription.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
Standalone GPS : has a bigger screenis actually designed to sit on the dashdoes not require a cellular phone plan or contract of any kind [ 1 ] oh , and one more thing : most cellphones do not have a real GPS receiver , but instead use cell tower triangulation to provide a sort of pseudo-GPS , which means that GPS receivers will work in the middle of nowhere , where you 're most likely to get lost , whereas a cellphone wo n't.IOW , any down-surge in GPS sales will soon correct itself as gazillions of clueless morons realize that the cellphone-as-GPS is completely useless outside of a big city .
[ 1 ] But you will need to either purchase map updates separately or by subscription .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
Standalone GPS: has a bigger screenis actually designed to sit on the dashdoes not require a cellular phone plan or contract of any kind[1]oh, and one more thing:most cellphones do not have a real GPS receiver, but instead use cell tower triangulation to provide a sort of pseudo-GPS, which means that GPS receivers will work in the middle of nowhere, where you're most likely to get lost,  whereas a cellphone won't.IOW, any down-surge in GPS sales will soon correct itself as gazillions of clueless morons realize that the cellphone-as-GPS is completely useless outside of a big city.
[1] But you will need to either purchase map updates separately or by subscription.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636741</id>
	<title>Re:Speaking from under my tinfoil hat...</title>
	<author>manekineko2</author>
	<datestamp>1247154720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That standard loses a lot of very compelling usages of merging a GPS with internet access though.  It's very nice how smart phone apps are able to do things like pull up the prices of all gas stations, and show them in a list for you to pick the best balance of distance and price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That standard loses a lot of very compelling usages of merging a GPS with internet access though .
It 's very nice how smart phone apps are able to do things like pull up the prices of all gas stations , and show them in a list for you to pick the best balance of distance and price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That standard loses a lot of very compelling usages of merging a GPS with internet access though.
It's very nice how smart phone apps are able to do things like pull up the prices of all gas stations, and show them in a list for you to pick the best balance of distance and price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636473</id>
	<title>People like my Dad...</title>
	<author>ducomputergeek</author>
	<datestamp>1247153760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My dad's in his late 60's and I got him a TomTom for christmas.  That's what he wanted.  It's simple enough for him to use and he doesn't have any problems with figuring it out.  The screen is large and easy for him to read.  I also know a number of hunters and hikers who go to places were the GPS in cell phones won't work, but a GPS receiver still will.</p><p>I just add a Cell phone for him to my plan for fathers day.  (He had a crappy pre-paid one in the car for emergancies, but he never used it because it didn't work on the farms.).  It has turn by turn naviation, if you want to pay for the feature, but he's never going to use it.  First off the screen is too small and he barely uses it now to make phone calls.  I think I've called him more than anything.</p><p>Now take me.  I have an iPhone.  I use the turn by turn directions on a regular basis.  I have no need to get a Tom Tom.  I use my iPhone. There are different markets here that are served by different products.  Now, they may not sell as many GPS systems, but they still have their uses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My dad 's in his late 60 's and I got him a TomTom for christmas .
That 's what he wanted .
It 's simple enough for him to use and he does n't have any problems with figuring it out .
The screen is large and easy for him to read .
I also know a number of hunters and hikers who go to places were the GPS in cell phones wo n't work , but a GPS receiver still will.I just add a Cell phone for him to my plan for fathers day .
( He had a crappy pre-paid one in the car for emergancies , but he never used it because it did n't work on the farms. ) .
It has turn by turn naviation , if you want to pay for the feature , but he 's never going to use it .
First off the screen is too small and he barely uses it now to make phone calls .
I think I 've called him more than anything.Now take me .
I have an iPhone .
I use the turn by turn directions on a regular basis .
I have no need to get a Tom Tom .
I use my iPhone .
There are different markets here that are served by different products .
Now , they may not sell as many GPS systems , but they still have their uses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My dad's in his late 60's and I got him a TomTom for christmas.
That's what he wanted.
It's simple enough for him to use and he doesn't have any problems with figuring it out.
The screen is large and easy for him to read.
I also know a number of hunters and hikers who go to places were the GPS in cell phones won't work, but a GPS receiver still will.I just add a Cell phone for him to my plan for fathers day.
(He had a crappy pre-paid one in the car for emergancies, but he never used it because it didn't work on the farms.).
It has turn by turn naviation, if you want to pay for the feature, but he's never going to use it.
First off the screen is too small and he barely uses it now to make phone calls.
I think I've called him more than anything.Now take me.
I have an iPhone.
I use the turn by turn directions on a regular basis.
I have no need to get a Tom Tom.
I use my iPhone.
There are different markets here that are served by different products.
Now, they may not sell as many GPS systems, but they still have their uses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636527</id>
	<title>Don't smartphones need subscriptions?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247153940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do they have maps on the phone or is it like Google maps only?  And besides subscription (running you around $2,000 over two years), what about those dead areas?</p><p>I'll think I'll stick with a dedicated device there, thanks.</p><p>OTOH, has any of the GPS manufactures made a GPS app with map for the iPhone yet?  If not, why not?  So they don't get the profit off of a hardware sale, charge $50 for the app, beyond 30\% commission to apple, profit.  Besides, the almost-guaranteed data stream of an iPhone could work wonders for the first comer, besides signalling traffic jams for the user, the data collected about the roads people take in their known area could become invaluable and cheap way to collect data, because they're routes locals would choose vs the dumb approach taken now where all roads of a certain type being treated equally by algorithms that ignore many realities that make roads better or worse for certain streches.  It could become a real edge to the first GPS manufacturer who could claim and really have smart routing which would have their GPS direct you through town like a real local would navigate it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they have maps on the phone or is it like Google maps only ?
And besides subscription ( running you around $ 2,000 over two years ) , what about those dead areas ? I 'll think I 'll stick with a dedicated device there , thanks.OTOH , has any of the GPS manufactures made a GPS app with map for the iPhone yet ?
If not , why not ?
So they do n't get the profit off of a hardware sale , charge $ 50 for the app , beyond 30 \ % commission to apple , profit .
Besides , the almost-guaranteed data stream of an iPhone could work wonders for the first comer , besides signalling traffic jams for the user , the data collected about the roads people take in their known area could become invaluable and cheap way to collect data , because they 're routes locals would choose vs the dumb approach taken now where all roads of a certain type being treated equally by algorithms that ignore many realities that make roads better or worse for certain streches .
It could become a real edge to the first GPS manufacturer who could claim and really have smart routing which would have their GPS direct you through town like a real local would navigate it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they have maps on the phone or is it like Google maps only?
And besides subscription (running you around $2,000 over two years), what about those dead areas?I'll think I'll stick with a dedicated device there, thanks.OTOH, has any of the GPS manufactures made a GPS app with map for the iPhone yet?
If not, why not?
So they don't get the profit off of a hardware sale, charge $50 for the app, beyond 30\% commission to apple, profit.
Besides, the almost-guaranteed data stream of an iPhone could work wonders for the first comer, besides signalling traffic jams for the user, the data collected about the roads people take in their known area could become invaluable and cheap way to collect data, because they're routes locals would choose vs the dumb approach taken now where all roads of a certain type being treated equally by algorithms that ignore many realities that make roads better or worse for certain streches.
It could become a real edge to the first GPS manufacturer who could claim and really have smart routing which would have their GPS direct you through town like a real local would navigate it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636689</id>
	<title>Re:Tax Funded GPS...why the hell should we pay?</title>
	<author>Colonel Korn</author>
	<datestamp>1247154540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Never, and I repeat, NEVER agree to pay for GPS "service."  You already have in your federal taxes.  These ***hole cellphone companies that charge you for GPS are full of themselves.   I will never use a phone-based GPS if it costs me a penny extra.   Vote with your wallet.</p></div><p>You're buying the maps and engine when you pay for an application.  I agree that a monthly cost for GPS use is absurd.  You can put Tom Tom, Garmin, or iGuidance on most GPS-equipped phones and not have to worry about that.  I use iGuidance and have actually replaced my sirf III based GPS unit with my diamond.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never , and I repeat , NEVER agree to pay for GPS " service .
" You already have in your federal taxes .
These * * * hole cellphone companies that charge you for GPS are full of themselves .
I will never use a phone-based GPS if it costs me a penny extra .
Vote with your wallet.You 're buying the maps and engine when you pay for an application .
I agree that a monthly cost for GPS use is absurd .
You can put Tom Tom , Garmin , or iGuidance on most GPS-equipped phones and not have to worry about that .
I use iGuidance and have actually replaced my sirf III based GPS unit with my diamond .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never, and I repeat, NEVER agree to pay for GPS "service.
"  You already have in your federal taxes.
These ***hole cellphone companies that charge you for GPS are full of themselves.
I will never use a phone-based GPS if it costs me a penny extra.
Vote with your wallet.You're buying the maps and engine when you pay for an application.
I agree that a monthly cost for GPS use is absurd.
You can put Tom Tom, Garmin, or iGuidance on most GPS-equipped phones and not have to worry about that.
I use iGuidance and have actually replaced my sirf III based GPS unit with my diamond.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636765</id>
	<title>Standalone GPS providers got caught.</title>
	<author>Annorax</author>
	<datestamp>1247154840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My take on the issue of the sales drop is that the GPS market was approaching the point of market saturation already before the economic downturn, but the price points for the units had not started their normal trending down due to saturation market pressures.</p><p>When the economic downturn hit, the prices of the units were still high, but the market evaporated almost instantly.  Had the prices already started coming down prior to the downturn, I think the unit sales would have been slightly better in the long run.</p><p>As it stands now, the consumer perception of the devices is that they're overpriced and not a necessity.</p><p>I know that I have sat on the sidelines waiting for the prices of the units to drop, and will most likely buy one now that the prices have corrected appropriately.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My take on the issue of the sales drop is that the GPS market was approaching the point of market saturation already before the economic downturn , but the price points for the units had not started their normal trending down due to saturation market pressures.When the economic downturn hit , the prices of the units were still high , but the market evaporated almost instantly .
Had the prices already started coming down prior to the downturn , I think the unit sales would have been slightly better in the long run.As it stands now , the consumer perception of the devices is that they 're overpriced and not a necessity.I know that I have sat on the sidelines waiting for the prices of the units to drop , and will most likely buy one now that the prices have corrected appropriately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My take on the issue of the sales drop is that the GPS market was approaching the point of market saturation already before the economic downturn, but the price points for the units had not started their normal trending down due to saturation market pressures.When the economic downturn hit, the prices of the units were still high, but the market evaporated almost instantly.
Had the prices already started coming down prior to the downturn, I think the unit sales would have been slightly better in the long run.As it stands now, the consumer perception of the devices is that they're overpriced and not a necessity.I know that I have sat on the sidelines waiting for the prices of the units to drop, and will most likely buy one now that the prices have corrected appropriately.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636349</id>
	<title>Tax Funded GPS...why the hell should we pay?</title>
	<author>mwilliamson</author>
	<datestamp>1247153460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Never, and I repeat, NEVER agree to pay for GPS "service."  You already have in your federal taxes.  These ***hole cellphone companies that charge you for GPS are full of themselves.   I will never use a phone-based GPS if it costs me a penny extra.   Vote with your wallet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never , and I repeat , NEVER agree to pay for GPS " service .
" You already have in your federal taxes .
These * * * hole cellphone companies that charge you for GPS are full of themselves .
I will never use a phone-based GPS if it costs me a penny extra .
Vote with your wallet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never, and I repeat, NEVER agree to pay for GPS "service.
"  You already have in your federal taxes.
These ***hole cellphone companies that charge you for GPS are full of themselves.
I will never use a phone-based GPS if it costs me a penny extra.
Vote with your wallet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636597</id>
	<title>Re:Tax Funded GPS...why the hell should we pay?</title>
	<author>Andy Dodd</author>
	<datestamp>1247154240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GPS only provides your position, not map data.</p><p>The navigation services offered by providers give you the map data and the routing algorithms to do more with that GPS than feed you a string of numbers.</p><p>Use of the GPS receiver in AT&amp;T devices is 100\% free unless you want to use Telenav, which provides map data, POI searches, and routing functionality.  If you don't like the idea of paying for service, you can pay Garmin for standalone software that does the same thing.  (Or, if you live outside the US, TomTom - TomTom Navigator is no longer sold to US customers starting with Navigator 7.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GPS only provides your position , not map data.The navigation services offered by providers give you the map data and the routing algorithms to do more with that GPS than feed you a string of numbers.Use of the GPS receiver in AT&amp;T devices is 100 \ % free unless you want to use Telenav , which provides map data , POI searches , and routing functionality .
If you do n't like the idea of paying for service , you can pay Garmin for standalone software that does the same thing .
( Or , if you live outside the US , TomTom - TomTom Navigator is no longer sold to US customers starting with Navigator 7 .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GPS only provides your position, not map data.The navigation services offered by providers give you the map data and the routing algorithms to do more with that GPS than feed you a string of numbers.Use of the GPS receiver in AT&amp;T devices is 100\% free unless you want to use Telenav, which provides map data, POI searches, and routing functionality.
If you don't like the idea of paying for service, you can pay Garmin for standalone software that does the same thing.
(Or, if you live outside the US, TomTom - TomTom Navigator is no longer sold to US customers starting with Navigator 7.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636349</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637339</id>
	<title>"they are expensive and inconvenient"???...</title>
	<author>dos4who</author>
	<datestamp>1247157000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just picked up a standalone GPS for $88 Canadian (US equiv = $75.50).  You call that expensive? And as for inconvenient, WTH are you talking about?  You trying to tell us a dedicated machine is more inconvenient to use that an add-on app for a cell phone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just picked up a standalone GPS for $ 88 Canadian ( US equiv = $ 75.50 ) .
You call that expensive ?
And as for inconvenient , WTH are you talking about ?
You trying to tell us a dedicated machine is more inconvenient to use that an add-on app for a cell phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just picked up a standalone GPS for $88 Canadian (US equiv = $75.50).
You call that expensive?
And as for inconvenient, WTH are you talking about?
You trying to tell us a dedicated machine is more inconvenient to use that an add-on app for a cell phone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637487</id>
	<title>Standalone still better</title>
	<author>malex</author>
	<datestamp>1247157660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I own and use both standalone TomTom GPS and a cell phone with intgrated GPS receiver.<br>The TomTom is way better and faster. It links satellites in few seconds, the phone needs minutes.<br>It has a touch screen with a very usable UI.<br>It costs way less than a phone with touch screen and navigation software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I own and use both standalone TomTom GPS and a cell phone with intgrated GPS receiver.The TomTom is way better and faster .
It links satellites in few seconds , the phone needs minutes.It has a touch screen with a very usable UI.It costs way less than a phone with touch screen and navigation software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own and use both standalone TomTom GPS and a cell phone with intgrated GPS receiver.The TomTom is way better and faster.
It links satellites in few seconds, the phone needs minutes.It has a touch screen with a very usable UI.It costs way less than a phone with touch screen and navigation software.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28646643</id>
	<title>Re:That was fast</title>
	<author>Zoxed</author>
	<datestamp>1247256840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; By the end of today, we should have hover-cars...</p><p>Sorry: your post fails to conform to the accept norm on Slashdot: you should be dreaming of *flying* cars<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; By the end of today , we should have hover-cars...Sorry : your post fails to conform to the accept norm on Slashdot : you should be dreaming of * flying * cars : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; By the end of today, we should have hover-cars...Sorry: your post fails to conform to the accept norm on Slashdot: you should be dreaming of *flying* cars :-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636261</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636627</id>
	<title>Re:87.2674\% of statistics are made up</title>
	<author>quintessentialk</author>
	<datestamp>1247154300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what I was thinking. I wasn't even aware that the iPhone had turn-by-turn GPS apps yet. Surely that must be very recent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I was thinking .
I was n't even aware that the iPhone had turn-by-turn GPS apps yet .
Surely that must be very recent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I was thinking.
I wasn't even aware that the iPhone had turn-by-turn GPS apps yet.
Surely that must be very recent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636301</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637657</id>
	<title>Re:Never even used one, went straight to generaliz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247158380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see you just reinvented my Garmin iQue M5...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see you just reinvented my Garmin iQue M5.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see you just reinvented my Garmin iQue M5...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636589</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28640881</id>
	<title>They need to work with the auto manufacturers...</title>
	<author>kimgkimg</author>
	<datestamp>1247171280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
They need to work with the auto manufacturers to make the GPS an integral part of the car like AC or the car stereo.  Turn-by-turn directions are most useful while driving (when else to you really use it.)  Why have to rebuy a GPS app everytime you switch your phone provider or phone?</htmltext>
<tokenext>They need to work with the auto manufacturers to make the GPS an integral part of the car like AC or the car stereo .
Turn-by-turn directions are most useful while driving ( when else to you really use it .
) Why have to rebuy a GPS app everytime you switch your phone provider or phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
They need to work with the auto manufacturers to make the GPS an integral part of the car like AC or the car stereo.
Turn-by-turn directions are most useful while driving (when else to you really use it.
)  Why have to rebuy a GPS app everytime you switch your phone provider or phone?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636255</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28639097</id>
	<title>Re:Never even used one, went straight to generaliz</title>
	<author>RaySt</author>
	<datestamp>1247164500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I find it funny that you "never even used one" and then went for a cumbersome setup citing a weekend backpacking trip. A Garmin outdoor unit also lasts ~20 hours, on 2 AAs that is, can easily be read in bright sunlight, is rugged and waterproof (!) to boot, not to mention the neat extras like a barometer to improve accuracy. I can see the benefits for city or in- car navigation with cell phones, but outdoors, not a chance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it funny that you " never even used one " and then went for a cumbersome setup citing a weekend backpacking trip .
A Garmin outdoor unit also lasts ~ 20 hours , on 2 AAs that is , can easily be read in bright sunlight , is rugged and waterproof ( !
) to boot , not to mention the neat extras like a barometer to improve accuracy .
I can see the benefits for city or in- car navigation with cell phones , but outdoors , not a chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it funny that you "never even used one" and then went for a cumbersome setup citing a weekend backpacking trip.
A Garmin outdoor unit also lasts ~20 hours, on 2 AAs that is, can easily be read in bright sunlight, is rugged and waterproof (!
) to boot, not to mention the neat extras like a barometer to improve accuracy.
I can see the benefits for city or in- car navigation with cell phones, but outdoors, not a chance.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636589</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636263</id>
	<title>As a response, Tom Tom and Garmin...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247153220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...will be introducing GPS models that have insane per-minute charges and require payments for making noises and changing screen backgrounds so mobile users will feel more comfortable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...will be introducing GPS models that have insane per-minute charges and require payments for making noises and changing screen backgrounds so mobile users will feel more comfortable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...will be introducing GPS models that have insane per-minute charges and require payments for making noises and changing screen backgrounds so mobile users will feel more comfortable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636637</id>
	<title>Standalones rock</title>
	<author>metlin</author>
	<datestamp>1247154300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eh? Most smartphone GPSes do not work everywhere, compared to a standalone GPS. Secondly, good luck trying to drive in a city like Boston without a GPS - and good luck going on a long trip with the risk of your battery running out (compared to a car GPS with comes with a car charger). I pretty much have to stop using the phone and use only the GPS feature, which defeats the purpose of a <b>phone</b>.</p><p>And some of us travel so often that it is a lot easier to have a GPS with us in our laptop bags. You never know when you'll need it...</p><p>I do not know, if you've been living in your same little bubble suburb for all your life and go to the same job, then it is possible that a GPS could be irrelevant. Otherwise? The ones on the phones don't even come close.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eh ?
Most smartphone GPSes do not work everywhere , compared to a standalone GPS .
Secondly , good luck trying to drive in a city like Boston without a GPS - and good luck going on a long trip with the risk of your battery running out ( compared to a car GPS with comes with a car charger ) .
I pretty much have to stop using the phone and use only the GPS feature , which defeats the purpose of a phone.And some of us travel so often that it is a lot easier to have a GPS with us in our laptop bags .
You never know when you 'll need it...I do not know , if you 've been living in your same little bubble suburb for all your life and go to the same job , then it is possible that a GPS could be irrelevant .
Otherwise ? The ones on the phones do n't even come close .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eh?
Most smartphone GPSes do not work everywhere, compared to a standalone GPS.
Secondly, good luck trying to drive in a city like Boston without a GPS - and good luck going on a long trip with the risk of your battery running out (compared to a car GPS with comes with a car charger).
I pretty much have to stop using the phone and use only the GPS feature, which defeats the purpose of a phone.And some of us travel so often that it is a lot easier to have a GPS with us in our laptop bags.
You never know when you'll need it...I do not know, if you've been living in your same little bubble suburb for all your life and go to the same job, then it is possible that a GPS could be irrelevant.
Otherwise? The ones on the phones don't even come close.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636713</id>
	<title>Legalities</title>
	<author>JediTrainer</author>
	<datestamp>1247154660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In some places (like Ontario, Canada where I live) they are outlawing the use of hand-held devices by drivers. I don't think the standalone GPS is going away here, because if it can be mounted on the dash then it's ok.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In some places ( like Ontario , Canada where I live ) they are outlawing the use of hand-held devices by drivers .
I do n't think the standalone GPS is going away here , because if it can be mounted on the dash then it 's ok .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In some places (like Ontario, Canada where I live) they are outlawing the use of hand-held devices by drivers.
I don't think the standalone GPS is going away here, because if it can be mounted on the dash then it's ok.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28639439</id>
	<title>Pry my TomTom</title>
	<author>kms\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1247165820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can pry my TomTom from my cold dead hands. There's no way I'm going to depend on my phone for this....yet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can pry my TomTom from my cold dead hands .
There 's no way I 'm going to depend on my phone for this....yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can pry my TomTom from my cold dead hands.
There's no way I'm going to depend on my phone for this....yet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28637269</id>
	<title>Oh, the embarrasment</title>
	<author>SEWilco</author>
	<datestamp>1247156700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Standalone GPS Receivers Going the Way of the Dodo"
<p>
People are killing them because they can't escape?  If only there were a way to find a route to safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Standalone GPS Receivers Going the Way of the Dodo " People are killing them because they ca n't escape ?
If only there were a way to find a route to safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Standalone GPS Receivers Going the Way of the Dodo"

People are killing them because they can't escape?
If only there were a way to find a route to safety.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638883</id>
	<title>Re:but gps-on-phone guis SUCK</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247163720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This!  I have the Garmin iQue M5.  And I have seen companies take 3 steps back from functionality that I have had for a LONG time.  Why?  Well, they can force you to buy multiple units (yes, it worked for most dammit).</p><p>Anyway, the old M5 did an insane number of things compared to these "modern" solutions.  Even customizable screen data.  On any modern unit, take some GPS coordinates, input into a map.  Routing takes you as close to the point by road as it can... then you can switch to "off-road / straight line" routing from there (M5 was automatic).  Quite a few solutions don't even have off road options!</p><p>The M5 even had a sweet contact list holding many different types of POIs (e.g. "residence", "park", "geocache" and "geocache found").  It showed different icons on the screen marking the locations for each point.</p><p>The list goes on and on... and quite frankly, I won't be interested either until this level is achieved again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This !
I have the Garmin iQue M5 .
And I have seen companies take 3 steps back from functionality that I have had for a LONG time .
Why ? Well , they can force you to buy multiple units ( yes , it worked for most dammit ) .Anyway , the old M5 did an insane number of things compared to these " modern " solutions .
Even customizable screen data .
On any modern unit , take some GPS coordinates , input into a map .
Routing takes you as close to the point by road as it can... then you can switch to " off-road / straight line " routing from there ( M5 was automatic ) .
Quite a few solutions do n't even have off road options ! The M5 even had a sweet contact list holding many different types of POIs ( e.g .
" residence " , " park " , " geocache " and " geocache found " ) .
It showed different icons on the screen marking the locations for each point.The list goes on and on... and quite frankly , I wo n't be interested either until this level is achieved again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This!
I have the Garmin iQue M5.
And I have seen companies take 3 steps back from functionality that I have had for a LONG time.
Why?  Well, they can force you to buy multiple units (yes, it worked for most dammit).Anyway, the old M5 did an insane number of things compared to these "modern" solutions.
Even customizable screen data.
On any modern unit, take some GPS coordinates, input into a map.
Routing takes you as close to the point by road as it can... then you can switch to "off-road / straight line" routing from there (M5 was automatic).
Quite a few solutions don't even have off road options!The M5 even had a sweet contact list holding many different types of POIs (e.g.
"residence", "park", "geocache" and "geocache found").
It showed different icons on the screen marking the locations for each point.The list goes on and on... and quite frankly, I won't be interested either until this level is achieved again.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636575</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636555</id>
	<title>Upside to Standalone</title>
	<author>creationer</author>
	<datestamp>1247154000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know how it works for iPhone apps using GPS but I have Verizon Wireless and I'm not paying an extra $10 a month for VZNavigator when I have a $100 TomTom that does the job perfectly already.  If I didn't have a TomTom I would get one since, with some basic math, it "pays for itself" in 10 months.  I also have a handheld garmin gps that I use for geocaching.
That said, if I could use a smartphone with Verizon without having to pay $30 a month for a data plan and that had a standalone gps receiver not locked out by Verizon, that I could use with 3rd party software from Garmin or TomTom, I would probably do that instead of the handheld but still use the TomTom in the car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know how it works for iPhone apps using GPS but I have Verizon Wireless and I 'm not paying an extra $ 10 a month for VZNavigator when I have a $ 100 TomTom that does the job perfectly already .
If I did n't have a TomTom I would get one since , with some basic math , it " pays for itself " in 10 months .
I also have a handheld garmin gps that I use for geocaching .
That said , if I could use a smartphone with Verizon without having to pay $ 30 a month for a data plan and that had a standalone gps receiver not locked out by Verizon , that I could use with 3rd party software from Garmin or TomTom , I would probably do that instead of the handheld but still use the TomTom in the car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know how it works for iPhone apps using GPS but I have Verizon Wireless and I'm not paying an extra $10 a month for VZNavigator when I have a $100 TomTom that does the job perfectly already.
If I didn't have a TomTom I would get one since, with some basic math, it "pays for itself" in 10 months.
I also have a handheld garmin gps that I use for geocaching.
That said, if I could use a smartphone with Verizon without having to pay $30 a month for a data plan and that had a standalone gps receiver not locked out by Verizon, that I could use with 3rd party software from Garmin or TomTom, I would probably do that instead of the handheld but still use the TomTom in the car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28638483</id>
	<title>Get a new phone</title>
	<author>brunes69</author>
	<datestamp>1247162040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The GPS in my HTC Touch (Windows Mobile 6) locks on within 5 seconds and even semi-works in tunnels since it uses AGPS constantly.</p><p>I have had TomTom installed on it for over a year, and it works like a charm. I sold my GPS a week after I got this phone and have not looked back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The GPS in my HTC Touch ( Windows Mobile 6 ) locks on within 5 seconds and even semi-works in tunnels since it uses AGPS constantly.I have had TomTom installed on it for over a year , and it works like a charm .
I sold my GPS a week after I got this phone and have not looked back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The GPS in my HTC Touch (Windows Mobile 6) locks on within 5 seconds and even semi-works in tunnels since it uses AGPS constantly.I have had TomTom installed on it for over a year, and it works like a charm.
I sold my GPS a week after I got this phone and have not looked back.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636663</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_09_1339225.28636363</id>
	<title>I've got one.</title>
	<author>bloobloo</author>
	<datestamp>1247153520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would I need to buy another one? My mobile phone gets wear and tear in my pocket, but my GPS stays in the car, until I need to update the maps. So there's really no need to upgrade on a continuous cycle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would I need to buy another one ?
My mobile phone gets wear and tear in my pocket , but my GPS stays in the car , until I need to update the maps .
So there 's really no need to upgrade on a continuous cycle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would I need to buy another one?
My mobile phone gets wear and tear in my pocket, but my GPS stays in the car, until I need to update the maps.
So there's really no need to upgrade on a continuous cycle.</sentencetext>
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