<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_07_2319253</id>
	<title>Sahimo Hydrogen Vehicle Gets Over 1,300 mpg</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1246989300000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.inhabitat.com/" rel="nofollow">Mike</a> writes <i>"Students from Turkey's Sakarya University have unveiled a remarkable <a href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/07/07/sahimo-hydrogen-vehicle-travels-568-kilometers-on-1-liter-of-fuel/">attempt at creating Europe's most fuel-efficient vehicle</a>. Dubbed the Sahimo, their pint-sized hydrogen car is cable of eking out an incredible 568 km on 1 liter of fuel (about 1,336 miles per gallon). An aerodynamic carbon-fiber construction keeps the vehicle's weight down to less than 110 kg (243 lbs), and the designers hope to push the Sahimo's performance even further to a full 1,000 km per 1 liter of fuel before participating in the Global Green Challenge in October."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mike writes " Students from Turkey 's Sakarya University have unveiled a remarkable attempt at creating Europe 's most fuel-efficient vehicle .
Dubbed the Sahimo , their pint-sized hydrogen car is cable of eking out an incredible 568 km on 1 liter of fuel ( about 1,336 miles per gallon ) .
An aerodynamic carbon-fiber construction keeps the vehicle 's weight down to less than 110 kg ( 243 lbs ) , and the designers hope to push the Sahimo 's performance even further to a full 1,000 km per 1 liter of fuel before participating in the Global Green Challenge in October .
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<sentencetext>Mike writes "Students from Turkey's Sakarya University have unveiled a remarkable attempt at creating Europe's most fuel-efficient vehicle.
Dubbed the Sahimo, their pint-sized hydrogen car is cable of eking out an incredible 568 km on 1 liter of fuel (about 1,336 miles per gallon).
An aerodynamic carbon-fiber construction keeps the vehicle's weight down to less than 110 kg (243 lbs), and the designers hope to push the Sahimo's performance even further to a full 1,000 km per 1 liter of fuel before participating in the Global Green Challenge in October.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622023</id>
	<title>Air conditioning is the problem</title>
	<author>Jon Abbott</author>
	<datestamp>1247067240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If we are achieving over 1,000 MPG for cars without air conditioning, and ~15-60 MPG for cars with air conditioning, it seems to me that we need a "green air conditioning" competition.  Rolling down the windows wouldn't count for the contest of course (and besides, that would drastically alter the drag coefficient).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we are achieving over 1,000 MPG for cars without air conditioning , and ~ 15-60 MPG for cars with air conditioning , it seems to me that we need a " green air conditioning " competition .
Rolling down the windows would n't count for the contest of course ( and besides , that would drastically alter the drag coefficient ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we are achieving over 1,000 MPG for cars without air conditioning, and ~15-60 MPG for cars with air conditioning, it seems to me that we need a "green air conditioning" competition.
Rolling down the windows wouldn't count for the contest of course (and besides, that would drastically alter the drag coefficient).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618759</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247084940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets.</p><p>Electric motors can go very quickly (at least the speed limit), have great acceleration, don't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built, don't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis (the process of making useable hydrogen), have 0 risk of exploding (although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe, but its more of a mental thing), and are ridiculously efficient. You know that about 3\% of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver?</p> </div><p>I think you mean 30\%, if you are referring to petrol (gas in USA) and 45+\% for diesel.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets.Electric motors can go very quickly ( at least the speed limit ) , have great acceleration , do n't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built , do n't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis ( the process of making useable hydrogen ) , have 0 risk of exploding ( although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe , but its more of a mental thing ) , and are ridiculously efficient .
You know that about 3 \ % of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver ?
I think you mean 30 \ % , if you are referring to petrol ( gas in USA ) and 45 + \ % for diesel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets.Electric motors can go very quickly (at least the speed limit), have great acceleration, don't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built, don't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis (the process of making useable hydrogen), have 0 risk of exploding (although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe, but its more of a mental thing), and are ridiculously efficient.
You know that about 3\% of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver?
I think you mean 30\%, if you are referring to petrol (gas in USA) and 45+\% for diesel.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622245</id>
	<title>Re:These types of competitions are interesting</title>
	<author>georgenh16</author>
	<datestamp>1247068020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Exactly. Did anyone look at the pictures? It's a freakin go-kart. Why waste time on this when they could work towards making a normal sedan have 100 mpg on gasoline?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
Did anyone look at the pictures ?
It 's a freakin go-kart .
Why waste time on this when they could work towards making a normal sedan have 100 mpg on gasoline ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
Did anyone look at the pictures?
It's a freakin go-kart.
Why waste time on this when they could work towards making a normal sedan have 100 mpg on gasoline?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618713</id>
	<title>Re:WTF</title>
	<author>Jamie's Nightmare</author>
	<datestamp>1247084460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Slashdot has always been a day late and a dollar short.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot has always been a day late and a dollar short .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot has always been a day late and a dollar short.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618945</id>
	<title>Re:Look at Scandinavia versus US</title>
	<author>maglor\_83</author>
	<datestamp>1247043780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Switzerland isn't a Scandinavian country. I think the reason they have less fatalities is that they are required to take slippery driving courses (at least I saw they do this in Finland, not sure about the others) to get a licence.</p><p>Someone local please correct me if I'm wrong, I just remember seeing something like this on TV one time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Switzerland is n't a Scandinavian country .
I think the reason they have less fatalities is that they are required to take slippery driving courses ( at least I saw they do this in Finland , not sure about the others ) to get a licence.Someone local please correct me if I 'm wrong , I just remember seeing something like this on TV one time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland isn't a Scandinavian country.
I think the reason they have less fatalities is that they are required to take slippery driving courses (at least I saw they do this in Finland, not sure about the others) to get a licence.Someone local please correct me if I'm wrong, I just remember seeing something like this on TV one time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622081</id>
	<title>Cool....</title>
	<author>tnk1</author>
	<datestamp>1247067480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They built one of those small kid versions of real cars that runs on hydrogen!  Much better than those battery operated SUVs.</p><p>Unfortunately, they didn't have any pictures of the actual car.  Maybe I didn't go far enough into the article....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They built one of those small kid versions of real cars that runs on hydrogen !
Much better than those battery operated SUVs.Unfortunately , they did n't have any pictures of the actual car .
Maybe I did n't go far enough into the article... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They built one of those small kid versions of real cars that runs on hydrogen!
Much better than those battery operated SUVs.Unfortunately, they didn't have any pictures of the actual car.
Maybe I didn't go far enough into the article....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619473</id>
	<title>Re:Per liter, why is that hard?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247052000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Although the RTG will run happily for a very long time, it achieves this in part by not kicking out much power (a few hundred watts at most). So what you're proposing is a much heavier vehicle (shielding for the RTG) which probably won't even leave the start line due to lack of power to overcome friction. Sure, the RTG will still be generating power in a year's time, but it still won't have gone anywhere, so it's a loser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although the RTG will run happily for a very long time , it achieves this in part by not kicking out much power ( a few hundred watts at most ) .
So what you 're proposing is a much heavier vehicle ( shielding for the RTG ) which probably wo n't even leave the start line due to lack of power to overcome friction .
Sure , the RTG will still be generating power in a year 's time , but it still wo n't have gone anywhere , so it 's a loser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although the RTG will run happily for a very long time, it achieves this in part by not kicking out much power (a few hundred watts at most).
So what you're proposing is a much heavier vehicle (shielding for the RTG) which probably won't even leave the start line due to lack of power to overcome friction.
Sure, the RTG will still be generating power in a year's time, but it still won't have gone anywhere, so it's a loser.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619867</id>
	<title>Re:1336 MPG</title>
	<author>witch-doktor</author>
	<datestamp>1247058060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Best comment I've seen so far.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Best comment I 've seen so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Best comment I've seen so far.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618625</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246996740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hydrogen is just a way to store the electricity.</p><p>What you have is hydrogen + fuel cell + electric motor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hydrogen is just a way to store the electricity.What you have is hydrogen + fuel cell + electric motor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hydrogen is just a way to store the electricity.What you have is hydrogen + fuel cell + electric motor.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28621595</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah just wait...</title>
	<author>sureshot007</author>
	<datestamp>1247065680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You've obviously never cracked a piece of CF before.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've obviously never cracked a piece of CF before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've obviously never cracked a piece of CF before.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28625659</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247079900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I'll take your bet and double it. Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics. Judging from this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed\_limits\_in\_the\_United\_States [wikipedia.org], the speed limit is on average lower in the US than in the EU."</p><p>But that's assuming people obey the speed limit. On a 70mph interstate it's a safe bet the average speed is more like 95mph.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I 'll take your bet and double it .
Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics .
Judging from this map : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed \ _limits \ _in \ _the \ _United \ _States [ wikipedia.org ] , the speed limit is on average lower in the US than in the EU .
" But that 's assuming people obey the speed limit .
On a 70mph interstate it 's a safe bet the average speed is more like 95mph .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I'll take your bet and double it.
Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics.
Judging from this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed\_limits\_in\_the\_United\_States [wikipedia.org], the speed limit is on average lower in the US than in the EU.
"But that's assuming people obey the speed limit.
On a 70mph interstate it's a safe bet the average speed is more like 95mph.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28627701</id>
	<title>Carbon fiber...</title>
	<author>Khyber</author>
	<datestamp>1247044560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"An aerodynamic carbon-fiber construction keeps the vehicle's weight down to less than 110 kg"</p><p>I find this endlessly satisfying. There were a BUNCH of people on slashdot when I mentioned taking wind turbines, and moving from aluminum construction to carbon fiber for lighter weight, and everyone told me "CARBON FIBER IS HEAVIER"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" An aerodynamic carbon-fiber construction keeps the vehicle 's weight down to less than 110 kg " I find this endlessly satisfying .
There were a BUNCH of people on slashdot when I mentioned taking wind turbines , and moving from aluminum construction to carbon fiber for lighter weight , and everyone told me " CARBON FIBER IS HEAVIER "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"An aerodynamic carbon-fiber construction keeps the vehicle's weight down to less than 110 kg"I find this endlessly satisfying.
There were a BUNCH of people on slashdot when I mentioned taking wind turbines, and moving from aluminum construction to carbon fiber for lighter weight, and everyone told me "CARBON FIBER IS HEAVIER"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618357</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246993800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We don't have that problem in Europe, especially in the richer countries. In Holland it is very popular with cars in sizes from smart cars and a bit larger. Then again fuel here cost about $6.5/gallon. And even while driving much smaller cars than north Americans do we still have less people killed in traffic here in Europe. You are doing something wrong.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_OECD\_countries\_by\_traffic-related\_death\_rate" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_OECD\_countries\_by\_traffic-related\_death\_rate</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't have that problem in Europe , especially in the richer countries .
In Holland it is very popular with cars in sizes from smart cars and a bit larger .
Then again fuel here cost about $ 6.5/gallon .
And even while driving much smaller cars than north Americans do we still have less people killed in traffic here in Europe .
You are doing something wrong.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List \ _of \ _OECD \ _countries \ _by \ _traffic-related \ _death \ _rate [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't have that problem in Europe, especially in the richer countries.
In Holland it is very popular with cars in sizes from smart cars and a bit larger.
Then again fuel here cost about $6.5/gallon.
And even while driving much smaller cars than north Americans do we still have less people killed in traffic here in Europe.
You are doing something wrong.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_OECD\_countries\_by\_traffic-related\_death\_rate [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618541</id>
	<title>Re:WTF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246995600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The last 10 articles have been posted by kdawson.</p><p>You don't honestly think he's allowed to announce anything that earth-shattering do you?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The last 10 articles have been posted by kdawson.You do n't honestly think he 's allowed to announce anything that earth-shattering do you ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last 10 articles have been posted by kdawson.You don't honestly think he's allowed to announce anything that earth-shattering do you?
:)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28638139</id>
	<title>Re:1336 MPG</title>
	<author>Priboi</author>
	<datestamp>1247160720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wont care until i can get OVER NINE THOUSAND MPG!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wont care until i can get OVER NINE THOUSAND MPG !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wont care until i can get OVER NINE THOUSAND MPG!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619607</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247054400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think he means 3\%. A driver is around 10\% the weight of the car. Add inefficiencies. There you have it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think he means 3 \ % .
A driver is around 10 \ % the weight of the car .
Add inefficiencies .
There you have it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think he means 3\%.
A driver is around 10\% the weight of the car.
Add inefficiencies.
There you have it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28625585</id>
	<title>Well, at least it LOOKS like a car</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247079660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was expecting to see something that looked like a bicycle with a shell over it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was expecting to see something that looked like a bicycle with a shell over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was expecting to see something that looked like a bicycle with a shell over it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619347</id>
	<title>Car analogy</title>
	<author>maheshc</author>
	<datestamp>1247049600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please give us a car analogy...oh, wait.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please give us a car analogy...oh , wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please give us a car analogy...oh, wait.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28621227</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247064180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics.</p></div><p>Uh, can you actually back this up with any sort of evidence?</p><p>From Scandinavia, my experience is that 100km/h is <b>controversial and seen by some as too high</b>. Above 100 is impossible. I remember from Spain once that I saw a 110km/h limit. Your assertion that most countries in the EU in general terms operate with either 120 or 130 is rather bold and some evidence would be appreciated that you aren't betting with fraudulent dice.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics.Uh , can you actually back this up with any sort of evidence ? From Scandinavia , my experience is that 100km/h is controversial and seen by some as too high .
Above 100 is impossible .
I remember from Spain once that I saw a 110km/h limit .
Your assertion that most countries in the EU in general terms operate with either 120 or 130 is rather bold and some evidence would be appreciated that you are n't betting with fraudulent dice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics.Uh, can you actually back this up with any sort of evidence?From Scandinavia, my experience is that 100km/h is controversial and seen by some as too high.
Above 100 is impossible.
I remember from Spain once that I saw a 110km/h limit.
Your assertion that most countries in the EU in general terms operate with either 120 or 130 is rather bold and some evidence would be appreciated that you aren't betting with fraudulent dice.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622345</id>
	<title>Re:Look at Scandinavia versus US</title>
	<author>qc\_dk</author>
	<datestamp>1247068380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have to pass a special technical driving course in Denmark too. This consists of emergency maneuvers in dry and icy conditions.</p><p>It is basically too short(1 day) to teach you any skills unless you have a knack for it. However, it demonstrates very effectively how important it is to adapt your driving and speed to the conditions.<br>You drive a simulated icy bend at 70 km/h and you do not even notice there is a problem. You do the same bend at 75 km/h and it starts getting hairy, but you'll probably learn to keep the car under control after a few tries. Then you drive it at 80 km/h and there is no one who can keep it under control and you end up 20 meters into a field.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have to pass a special technical driving course in Denmark too .
This consists of emergency maneuvers in dry and icy conditions.It is basically too short ( 1 day ) to teach you any skills unless you have a knack for it .
However , it demonstrates very effectively how important it is to adapt your driving and speed to the conditions.You drive a simulated icy bend at 70 km/h and you do not even notice there is a problem .
You do the same bend at 75 km/h and it starts getting hairy , but you 'll probably learn to keep the car under control after a few tries .
Then you drive it at 80 km/h and there is no one who can keep it under control and you end up 20 meters into a field .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have to pass a special technical driving course in Denmark too.
This consists of emergency maneuvers in dry and icy conditions.It is basically too short(1 day) to teach you any skills unless you have a knack for it.
However, it demonstrates very effectively how important it is to adapt your driving and speed to the conditions.You drive a simulated icy bend at 70 km/h and you do not even notice there is a problem.
You do the same bend at 75 km/h and it starts getting hairy, but you'll probably learn to keep the car under control after a few tries.
Then you drive it at 80 km/h and there is no one who can keep it under control and you end up 20 meters into a field.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618967</id>
	<title>Re:DUDE! COMMON</title>
	<author>tagno25</author>
	<datestamp>1247044080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=568+km\%2Fl+to+mpg" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">568 km/l to mpg</a> [google.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>568 km/l to mpg [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>568 km/l to mpg [google.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618433</id>
	<title>Electricity  Hydrogen</title>
	<author>moniker127</author>
	<datestamp>1246994640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets.<br>
Electric motors can go very quickly (at least the speed limit), have great acceleration, don't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built, don't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis (the process of making useable hydrogen), have 0 risk of exploding (although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe, but its more of a mental thing), and are ridiculously efficient. You know that about 3\% of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver? With an electric motor, it is more like 50-80\%, depending on the type of vehicle. <br> <br>

You could argue that we're just shifting the dependance (and the green house gases) to power plants- but this would open a door to a 100\% maintainable system, it just requires an eventual (much more eventual than current state) shift over to clean power for plants.
Our existing grid could easily handle 20 million plugin cars. <br> <br>

The only thing we're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets .
Electric motors can go very quickly ( at least the speed limit ) , have great acceleration , do n't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built , do n't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis ( the process of making useable hydrogen ) , have 0 risk of exploding ( although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe , but its more of a mental thing ) , and are ridiculously efficient .
You know that about 3 \ % of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver ?
With an electric motor , it is more like 50-80 \ % , depending on the type of vehicle .
You could argue that we 're just shifting the dependance ( and the green house gases ) to power plants- but this would open a door to a 100 \ % maintainable system , it just requires an eventual ( much more eventual than current state ) shift over to clean power for plants .
Our existing grid could easily handle 20 million plugin cars .
The only thing we 're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets.
Electric motors can go very quickly (at least the speed limit), have great acceleration, don't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built, don't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis (the process of making useable hydrogen), have 0 risk of exploding (although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe, but its more of a mental thing), and are ridiculously efficient.
You know that about 3\% of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver?
With an electric motor, it is more like 50-80\%, depending on the type of vehicle.
You could argue that we're just shifting the dependance (and the green house gases) to power plants- but this would open a door to a 100\% maintainable system, it just requires an eventual (much more eventual than current state) shift over to clean power for plants.
Our existing grid could easily handle 20 million plugin cars.
The only thing we're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620231</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1247060520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The average speed limit for the miles actually driven is a lot more interesting than the average speed limit for the roads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The average speed limit for the miles actually driven is a lot more interesting than the average speed limit for the roads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The average speed limit for the miles actually driven is a lot more interesting than the average speed limit for the roads.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622389</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247068560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So maybe that's what you're doing wrong? You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done?</p></div><p>Try living in the middle of South Dakota or Wyoming and driving less than an hour to get more than groceries and fuel. "Urban sprawl" my ass.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So maybe that 's what you 're doing wrong ?
You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done ? Try living in the middle of South Dakota or Wyoming and driving less than an hour to get more than groceries and fuel .
" Urban sprawl " my ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So maybe that's what you're doing wrong?
You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done?Try living in the middle of South Dakota or Wyoming and driving less than an hour to get more than groceries and fuel.
"Urban sprawl" my ass.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28621207</id>
	<title>Apples to hamburgers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247064120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This article is rather un-newsworthy because the data is absolutely meaningless to the average human.  For one, this vehicle is nothing like conventional automobiles, largely because one impact will kill you, even a relatively tame one.  This is a $170'000 go-kart!</p><p>The second problem: 1336mpg on what ?  A litre of hydrogen ?  How does that compare to the cost of a litre of 85-octane gasoline ?  Where will one refuel this fart-sipping coffin ?</p><p>As a kickass go-kart, it might be interesting (cabin ventilation?).  As a general-purpose commuter vehicle, it's a non-starter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This article is rather un-newsworthy because the data is absolutely meaningless to the average human .
For one , this vehicle is nothing like conventional automobiles , largely because one impact will kill you , even a relatively tame one .
This is a $ 170'000 go-kart ! The second problem : 1336mpg on what ?
A litre of hydrogen ?
How does that compare to the cost of a litre of 85-octane gasoline ?
Where will one refuel this fart-sipping coffin ? As a kickass go-kart , it might be interesting ( cabin ventilation ? ) .
As a general-purpose commuter vehicle , it 's a non-starter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This article is rather un-newsworthy because the data is absolutely meaningless to the average human.
For one, this vehicle is nothing like conventional automobiles, largely because one impact will kill you, even a relatively tame one.
This is a $170'000 go-kart!The second problem: 1336mpg on what ?
A litre of hydrogen ?
How does that compare to the cost of a litre of 85-octane gasoline ?
Where will one refuel this fart-sipping coffin ?As a kickass go-kart, it might be interesting (cabin ventilation?).
As a general-purpose commuter vehicle, it's a non-starter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619185</id>
	<title>Re:Not too impressive.</title>
	<author>sy5t3m</author>
	<datestamp>1247047440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Given that they actually came 4th in their category for effeciency and were beaten by a hydrogen car doing 804km/l (1891mpg) and one doing 1246km/l (2930mpg), they should be able to do better with hydrogen.
<br>
<br>TFA says they won 3rd most effecient vehicle at the eco-marathon, which is BS on two counts. They were 4th according to Shells results page, and that 4th is only for their <a href="http://teamecomarathon.com/iframe/results/result.php?id=5" title="teamecomarathon.com" rel="nofollow">category</a> [teamecomarathon.com]. The <a href="http://teamecomarathon.com/iframe/results/result.php?id=1" title="teamecomarathon.com" rel="nofollow">prototype</a> [teamecomarathon.com] results are even more impressive with the winner getting 3771km/l (8869mpg) for gasoline and the 2nd place getting 3549km/l (8347mpg) for hydrogen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that they actually came 4th in their category for effeciency and were beaten by a hydrogen car doing 804km/l ( 1891mpg ) and one doing 1246km/l ( 2930mpg ) , they should be able to do better with hydrogen .
TFA says they won 3rd most effecient vehicle at the eco-marathon , which is BS on two counts .
They were 4th according to Shells results page , and that 4th is only for their category [ teamecomarathon.com ] .
The prototype [ teamecomarathon.com ] results are even more impressive with the winner getting 3771km/l ( 8869mpg ) for gasoline and the 2nd place getting 3549km/l ( 8347mpg ) for hydrogen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that they actually came 4th in their category for effeciency and were beaten by a hydrogen car doing 804km/l (1891mpg) and one doing 1246km/l (2930mpg), they should be able to do better with hydrogen.
TFA says they won 3rd most effecient vehicle at the eco-marathon, which is BS on two counts.
They were 4th according to Shells results page, and that 4th is only for their category [teamecomarathon.com].
The prototype [teamecomarathon.com] results are even more impressive with the winner getting 3771km/l (8869mpg) for gasoline and the 2nd place getting 3549km/l (8347mpg) for hydrogen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28621753</id>
	<title>Add me, double the weight of it</title>
	<author>mprindle</author>
	<datestamp>1247066160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow that car is light... I'm 20 lbs shy of weighing the same as it....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow that car is light... I 'm 20 lbs shy of weighing the same as it... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow that car is light... I'm 20 lbs shy of weighing the same as it....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618365</id>
	<title>Re:Not too impressive.</title>
	<author>rtyhurst</author>
	<datestamp>1246994040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like this?

<a href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/18/transportation-tuesday-8923-miles-per-gallon/" title="inhabitat.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/18/transportation-tuesday-8923-miles-per-gallon/</a> [inhabitat.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like this ?
http : //www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/18/transportation-tuesday-8923-miles-per-gallon/ [ inhabitat.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like this?
http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/18/transportation-tuesday-8923-miles-per-gallon/ [inhabitat.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622093</id>
	<title>what a waste</title>
	<author>OrangeMonkey11</author>
	<datestamp>1247067540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be honest the amount of money they spent on developing and building this thing they could at least make it a bit more practical with a possibility of actual released to the public.  I&#226;(TM)m all for going green and getting away from fossil fuel but these competitions and the cars that people have developed for them are so impractical it&#226;(TM)s not even funny.

Who the hell would want a car that could not carry anything or could barely carry a single person and move slower than a person on a bicycle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be honest the amount of money they spent on developing and building this thing they could at least make it a bit more practical with a possibility of actual released to the public .
I   ( TM ) m all for going green and getting away from fossil fuel but these competitions and the cars that people have developed for them are so impractical it   ( TM ) s not even funny .
Who the hell would want a car that could not carry anything or could barely carry a single person and move slower than a person on a bicycle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be honest the amount of money they spent on developing and building this thing they could at least make it a bit more practical with a possibility of actual released to the public.
Iâ(TM)m all for going green and getting away from fossil fuel but these competitions and the cars that people have developed for them are so impractical itâ(TM)s not even funny.
Who the hell would want a car that could not carry anything or could barely carry a single person and move slower than a person on a bicycle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618773</id>
	<title>Look at Scandinavia versus US</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247085180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The really interesting question is why the Scandinavian countries (including the UK) are so much safer than the others (except Switzerland.) I wonder if this applies in the US too, with States with a lot of settlement from Scandinavia and the UK having lower fatality rates than, say, the Southern States?<p>Incidentally, on UK roads, although an accident may be more survivable in an SUV, you are more likely to have an accident involving a collision with an oncoming vehicle, owing to our narrow roads and many obstructions. Also, journey times in SUVs are longer because you are likely to be held up so much more often. The recession and the oil price spike has brought a sudden halt to the SUV-ification of the UK, and most new cars are either company cars or small ones. The result is that driving on my mixed urban/rural commute is getting noticeably easier. This trend may accelerate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The really interesting question is why the Scandinavian countries ( including the UK ) are so much safer than the others ( except Switzerland .
) I wonder if this applies in the US too , with States with a lot of settlement from Scandinavia and the UK having lower fatality rates than , say , the Southern States ? Incidentally , on UK roads , although an accident may be more survivable in an SUV , you are more likely to have an accident involving a collision with an oncoming vehicle , owing to our narrow roads and many obstructions .
Also , journey times in SUVs are longer because you are likely to be held up so much more often .
The recession and the oil price spike has brought a sudden halt to the SUV-ification of the UK , and most new cars are either company cars or small ones .
The result is that driving on my mixed urban/rural commute is getting noticeably easier .
This trend may accelerate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The really interesting question is why the Scandinavian countries (including the UK) are so much safer than the others (except Switzerland.
) I wonder if this applies in the US too, with States with a lot of settlement from Scandinavia and the UK having lower fatality rates than, say, the Southern States?Incidentally, on UK roads, although an accident may be more survivable in an SUV, you are more likely to have an accident involving a collision with an oncoming vehicle, owing to our narrow roads and many obstructions.
Also, journey times in SUVs are longer because you are likely to be held up so much more often.
The recession and the oil price spike has brought a sudden halt to the SUV-ification of the UK, and most new cars are either company cars or small ones.
The result is that driving on my mixed urban/rural commute is getting noticeably easier.
This trend may accelerate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619841</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>MyLongNickName</author>
	<datestamp>1247057700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> Moreover, I can't find any statistics on average distance travelled so I wouldn't assume that easily that americans drive more or that the difference is significant anyway.</i></p><p>Well, a little bit of math on the existing table would help you out. In the United States we have over twice (2.37x) the fatalities per inhabitant as Germany. Yet, we only have 21 percent more fatalities per KM driven.</p><p>So, yes, I would think we drive a hell of a lot more miles. Close to double.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moreover , I ca n't find any statistics on average distance travelled so I would n't assume that easily that americans drive more or that the difference is significant anyway.Well , a little bit of math on the existing table would help you out .
In the United States we have over twice ( 2.37x ) the fatalities per inhabitant as Germany .
Yet , we only have 21 percent more fatalities per KM driven.So , yes , I would think we drive a hell of a lot more miles .
Close to double .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Moreover, I can't find any statistics on average distance travelled so I wouldn't assume that easily that americans drive more or that the difference is significant anyway.Well, a little bit of math on the existing table would help you out.
In the United States we have over twice (2.37x) the fatalities per inhabitant as Germany.
Yet, we only have 21 percent more fatalities per KM driven.So, yes, I would think we drive a hell of a lot more miles.
Close to double.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618817</id>
	<title>Hydrogen != Petrol</title>
	<author>strawberryutopia</author>
	<datestamp>1247085480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One problem I see with that number is that, yes 1300 mpg is impressive, but it's 1300 mpg of hydrogen fuel. The only useful comparison that can be made to current cars is that it'll be ages between each fill-up.</p><p>Without doing any research, I have no idea whether 1300 mpg is impressive for hydrogen fuel or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One problem I see with that number is that , yes 1300 mpg is impressive , but it 's 1300 mpg of hydrogen fuel .
The only useful comparison that can be made to current cars is that it 'll be ages between each fill-up.Without doing any research , I have no idea whether 1300 mpg is impressive for hydrogen fuel or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem I see with that number is that, yes 1300 mpg is impressive, but it's 1300 mpg of hydrogen fuel.
The only useful comparison that can be made to current cars is that it'll be ages between each fill-up.Without doing any research, I have no idea whether 1300 mpg is impressive for hydrogen fuel or not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620845</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247063040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bogus? The first column seems much more important. Imagine if it looked like this...</p><p>First Column is 'Fatalities per 100 People'.<br>Second column is 'Fatalities per Billion Miles.</p><p>If the first column for some country has a 100 and the second column contains 0.5...<br>All that means is that you can drive a massive amount of miles before you WILL die in a car crash, as by the first column for this country, everyone dies in a car crash.</p><p>So, It doesn't really matter if you drive more miles than someone else, if you are more likely to die.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bogus ?
The first column seems much more important .
Imagine if it looked like this...First Column is 'Fatalities per 100 People'.Second column is 'Fatalities per Billion Miles.If the first column for some country has a 100 and the second column contains 0.5...All that means is that you can drive a massive amount of miles before you WILL die in a car crash , as by the first column for this country , everyone dies in a car crash.So , It does n't really matter if you drive more miles than someone else , if you are more likely to die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bogus?
The first column seems much more important.
Imagine if it looked like this...First Column is 'Fatalities per 100 People'.Second column is 'Fatalities per Billion Miles.If the first column for some country has a 100 and the second column contains 0.5...All that means is that you can drive a massive amount of miles before you WILL die in a car crash, as by the first column for this country, everyone dies in a car crash.So, It doesn't really matter if you drive more miles than someone else, if you are more likely to die.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622827</id>
	<title>My GOD...</title>
	<author>TaleSpinner</author>
	<datestamp>1247070000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...that is one butt-ugly car!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...that is one butt-ugly car !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...that is one butt-ugly car!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620485</id>
	<title>Re:Not too impressive.</title>
	<author>Junior J. Junior III</author>
	<datestamp>1247061660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Considering that high-school students in the U.S. have built viable vehicles that get over 1,000 miles per gallon of <b>gasoline</b>. They should be able to do better with hydrogen.</p></div><p>Uh, 568km/l == 1336 mpg.... that IS better than 1000 mpg.  And they're thinking that they can almost double it, from 568km/l to 1000km/l.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that high-school students in the U.S. have built viable vehicles that get over 1,000 miles per gallon of gasoline .
They should be able to do better with hydrogen.Uh , 568km/l = = 1336 mpg.... that IS better than 1000 mpg .
And they 're thinking that they can almost double it , from 568km/l to 1000km/l .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that high-school students in the U.S. have built viable vehicles that get over 1,000 miles per gallon of gasoline.
They should be able to do better with hydrogen.Uh, 568km/l == 1336 mpg.... that IS better than 1000 mpg.
And they're thinking that they can almost double it, from 568km/l to 1000km/l.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28625243</id>
	<title>nice but not practicle at this time.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247078460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>works if you're in Japan since the vehicles aren't monsters there.   in the states, it'd be blown off the road....and i won't start on the safety issues.  It's nice to know that someone built something that capable, but i'll look again when they build one road worthy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>works if you 're in Japan since the vehicles are n't monsters there .
in the states , it 'd be blown off the road....and i wo n't start on the safety issues .
It 's nice to know that someone built something that capable , but i 'll look again when they build one road worthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>works if you're in Japan since the vehicles aren't monsters there.
in the states, it'd be blown off the road....and i won't start on the safety issues.
It's nice to know that someone built something that capable, but i'll look again when they build one road worthy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619909</id>
	<title>Re:Look at Scandinavia versus US</title>
	<author>Talderas</author>
	<datestamp>1247058660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I was looking at the 2006 statistics for road fatalities by states. With the exception of Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, those that showed large increases (&gt;=5\%) in fatality rates were all southern states. Likewise for the most part those states which suffered declines in the number of fatalities tended to be states with far worse weather conditions. Those that suffered small gains in the number of fatalities 5\% tended to fall between the northern and southern states, mostly clustered along the same latitude as Maryland. These were statistics from 1994 to 2006.</p><p>I would honestly say that the worse weather conditions an area receives, the better the quality of drivers that are churned out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was looking at the 2006 statistics for road fatalities by states .
With the exception of Montana , New Hampshire , North Dakota , South Dakota , Vermont , those that showed large increases ( &gt; = 5 \ % ) in fatality rates were all southern states .
Likewise for the most part those states which suffered declines in the number of fatalities tended to be states with far worse weather conditions .
Those that suffered small gains in the number of fatalities 5 \ % tended to fall between the northern and southern states , mostly clustered along the same latitude as Maryland .
These were statistics from 1994 to 2006.I would honestly say that the worse weather conditions an area receives , the better the quality of drivers that are churned out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was looking at the 2006 statistics for road fatalities by states.
With the exception of Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, those that showed large increases (&gt;=5\%) in fatality rates were all southern states.
Likewise for the most part those states which suffered declines in the number of fatalities tended to be states with far worse weather conditions.
Those that suffered small gains in the number of fatalities 5\% tended to fall between the northern and southern states, mostly clustered along the same latitude as Maryland.
These were statistics from 1994 to 2006.I would honestly say that the worse weather conditions an area receives, the better the quality of drivers that are churned out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28625583</id>
	<title>Speed limit != driving speed</title>
	<author>apokruphos</author>
	<datestamp>1247079660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>The EU as whole also tends to have much harsher penalties for speeding than America, leading to people actually obeying them. If you're doing the speed limit in the US you better be in the right lane or you'll end up with a BMW up your exhaust pipe. I've had cars pass me while <em>I</em> was doing 105.
<br> <br>
Just sayin'.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU as whole also tends to have much harsher penalties for speeding than America , leading to people actually obeying them .
If you 're doing the speed limit in the US you better be in the right lane or you 'll end up with a BMW up your exhaust pipe .
I 've had cars pass me while I was doing 105 .
Just sayin' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU as whole also tends to have much harsher penalties for speeding than America, leading to people actually obeying them.
If you're doing the speed limit in the US you better be in the right lane or you'll end up with a BMW up your exhaust pipe.
I've had cars pass me while I was doing 105.
Just sayin'.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619317</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>BlackPignouf</author>
	<datestamp>1247049120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>You know your efficiency figures are wrong and meaningless, right?<br>Where the hell did you get that 3\% figure??? Last time I checked, it was more about 40\% for combustion engines.</p><p>Plus, you'll have to multiply your 50-80\% by the efficiency of a power plant, between 30 and 60\%.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know your efficiency figures are wrong and meaningless , right ? Where the hell did you get that 3 \ % figure ? ? ?
Last time I checked , it was more about 40 \ % for combustion engines.Plus , you 'll have to multiply your 50-80 \ % by the efficiency of a power plant , between 30 and 60 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know your efficiency figures are wrong and meaningless, right?Where the hell did you get that 3\% figure???
Last time I checked, it was more about 40\% for combustion engines.Plus, you'll have to multiply your 50-80\% by the efficiency of a power plant, between 30 and 60\%.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618753</id>
	<title>Not a good measure</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1247084880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Miles per gallon, or kilometers per liter, is only a useful measurement when we're comparing vehicles with the same fuel.  Getting a 25\% increase in miles per gallon of gasoline would be great.  But is 568 kilometers on a liter of Hydrogen even GOOD?  How expensive is that hydrogen?  (How many kilos of coal were burned to generate the energy to generate the hydrogen?)  How dangerous is a fast-moving vehicle with a liter of hydrogen?<br> <br>

This may be great, but the statistic is pretty meaningless.  They could get a lot BETTER miles per gallon out of a gallon of plutonium, I'd wager, if we're making those sorts of comparisons.  Don't even get me started on antimatter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Miles per gallon , or kilometers per liter , is only a useful measurement when we 're comparing vehicles with the same fuel .
Getting a 25 \ % increase in miles per gallon of gasoline would be great .
But is 568 kilometers on a liter of Hydrogen even GOOD ?
How expensive is that hydrogen ?
( How many kilos of coal were burned to generate the energy to generate the hydrogen ?
) How dangerous is a fast-moving vehicle with a liter of hydrogen ?
This may be great , but the statistic is pretty meaningless .
They could get a lot BETTER miles per gallon out of a gallon of plutonium , I 'd wager , if we 're making those sorts of comparisons .
Do n't even get me started on antimatter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Miles per gallon, or kilometers per liter, is only a useful measurement when we're comparing vehicles with the same fuel.
Getting a 25\% increase in miles per gallon of gasoline would be great.
But is 568 kilometers on a liter of Hydrogen even GOOD?
How expensive is that hydrogen?
(How many kilos of coal were burned to generate the energy to generate the hydrogen?
)  How dangerous is a fast-moving vehicle with a liter of hydrogen?
This may be great, but the statistic is pretty meaningless.
They could get a lot BETTER miles per gallon out of a gallon of plutonium, I'd wager, if we're making those sorts of comparisons.
Don't even get me started on antimatter.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622457</id>
	<title>Re:Not a good measure</title>
	<author>JSBiff</author>
	<datestamp>1247068740000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"(How many kilos of coal were burned to generate the energy to generate the hydrogen?)"</p><p>How do you know that *any* coal was burned? There are lots of hydro-electric damns around the world - maybe the electric generation they ended up tapping to generate the hydrogen was hydro? Or maybe solar.</p><p>I think research in hydro cars, for long-term, is great. It's not a good shorter term solution, but long term, I think it's perhaps viable. Here's why: 1) There are multiple ways to generate hydrogen, and new ways are still being discovered that are more efficient/cheaper. 2) I expect that, over time, we will be gradually moving away from coal as our primary energy source - but, generation of hydrogen doesn't depend on coal, except to the extent that coal is our primary energy source currently. Wind, Solar, Hydro-Electric (dams), Ocean Tidal, Ocean Current, Geothermal, Fission, and Fusion can all be used as primary energy sources in the future, without needing to change any hydrogen technology.</p><p>So, maybe today, if we start building hydrogen fueling stations, the hydrogen will be generated from electricity which itself is generated primarily from coal, which we say is bad. However, that begins to build the hydrogen infrastructure, and fleet of hydrogen vehicles. Meanwhile, solar farms and wind farms are being built around the world, and new nuclear plants are, perhaps, coming online (or not, we'll see - nuclear fission is, of course, still pretty controversial, and nuclear fusion is always 50 years in the future; but, I heard recently about Duke energy in the US seeking licensing to build a new nuclear power station in Ohio, here in the US, so it may be that nuclear power is starting to move forward again, despite the controversy and fear).</p><p>"How dangerous is a fast-moving vehicle with a liter of hydrogen?"</p><p>How dangerous is a fast-moving vehicle with a liter of gasoline? Gas is pretty flamable, explosive, dangerous stuff, yet we've managed to make gas vehicles pretty safe - in my 12 years of driving, I've only seen vehicles on fire 2 or 3 times, and outside of television or the movies, I've *never* seen a car explode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ( How many kilos of coal were burned to generate the energy to generate the hydrogen ?
) " How do you know that * any * coal was burned ?
There are lots of hydro-electric damns around the world - maybe the electric generation they ended up tapping to generate the hydrogen was hydro ?
Or maybe solar.I think research in hydro cars , for long-term , is great .
It 's not a good shorter term solution , but long term , I think it 's perhaps viable .
Here 's why : 1 ) There are multiple ways to generate hydrogen , and new ways are still being discovered that are more efficient/cheaper .
2 ) I expect that , over time , we will be gradually moving away from coal as our primary energy source - but , generation of hydrogen does n't depend on coal , except to the extent that coal is our primary energy source currently .
Wind , Solar , Hydro-Electric ( dams ) , Ocean Tidal , Ocean Current , Geothermal , Fission , and Fusion can all be used as primary energy sources in the future , without needing to change any hydrogen technology.So , maybe today , if we start building hydrogen fueling stations , the hydrogen will be generated from electricity which itself is generated primarily from coal , which we say is bad .
However , that begins to build the hydrogen infrastructure , and fleet of hydrogen vehicles .
Meanwhile , solar farms and wind farms are being built around the world , and new nuclear plants are , perhaps , coming online ( or not , we 'll see - nuclear fission is , of course , still pretty controversial , and nuclear fusion is always 50 years in the future ; but , I heard recently about Duke energy in the US seeking licensing to build a new nuclear power station in Ohio , here in the US , so it may be that nuclear power is starting to move forward again , despite the controversy and fear ) .
" How dangerous is a fast-moving vehicle with a liter of hydrogen ?
" How dangerous is a fast-moving vehicle with a liter of gasoline ?
Gas is pretty flamable , explosive , dangerous stuff , yet we 've managed to make gas vehicles pretty safe - in my 12 years of driving , I 've only seen vehicles on fire 2 or 3 times , and outside of television or the movies , I 've * never * seen a car explode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"(How many kilos of coal were burned to generate the energy to generate the hydrogen?
)"How do you know that *any* coal was burned?
There are lots of hydro-electric damns around the world - maybe the electric generation they ended up tapping to generate the hydrogen was hydro?
Or maybe solar.I think research in hydro cars, for long-term, is great.
It's not a good shorter term solution, but long term, I think it's perhaps viable.
Here's why: 1) There are multiple ways to generate hydrogen, and new ways are still being discovered that are more efficient/cheaper.
2) I expect that, over time, we will be gradually moving away from coal as our primary energy source - but, generation of hydrogen doesn't depend on coal, except to the extent that coal is our primary energy source currently.
Wind, Solar, Hydro-Electric (dams), Ocean Tidal, Ocean Current, Geothermal, Fission, and Fusion can all be used as primary energy sources in the future, without needing to change any hydrogen technology.So, maybe today, if we start building hydrogen fueling stations, the hydrogen will be generated from electricity which itself is generated primarily from coal, which we say is bad.
However, that begins to build the hydrogen infrastructure, and fleet of hydrogen vehicles.
Meanwhile, solar farms and wind farms are being built around the world, and new nuclear plants are, perhaps, coming online (or not, we'll see - nuclear fission is, of course, still pretty controversial, and nuclear fusion is always 50 years in the future; but, I heard recently about Duke energy in the US seeking licensing to build a new nuclear power station in Ohio, here in the US, so it may be that nuclear power is starting to move forward again, despite the controversy and fear).
"How dangerous is a fast-moving vehicle with a liter of hydrogen?
"How dangerous is a fast-moving vehicle with a liter of gasoline?
Gas is pretty flamable, explosive, dangerous stuff, yet we've managed to make gas vehicles pretty safe - in my 12 years of driving, I've only seen vehicles on fire 2 or 3 times, and outside of television or the movies, I've *never* seen a car explode.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620939</id>
	<title>The Bob and Doug McKenzie answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247063340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>so...from the old days of Bob and Doug McKenzie figuring out the metric system (Canadians)</p><p>to get from our 65mph zone to the metric, you double it and add 30. so you would have to be going 160 metric miles per hour to be equivalent.</p><p>apparently if you only travel 120-130, we are about 32 metric miles faster.</p><p>Doug: "Like how many beers would that be, if you want like, a sixpack in metric?"<br>Bob: "Six, six is 12, 30 is 42 beers. 42 metric beers."<br>Doug: "That's good for me eh. Count me in on metric."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so...from the old days of Bob and Doug McKenzie figuring out the metric system ( Canadians ) to get from our 65mph zone to the metric , you double it and add 30. so you would have to be going 160 metric miles per hour to be equivalent.apparently if you only travel 120-130 , we are about 32 metric miles faster.Doug : " Like how many beers would that be , if you want like , a sixpack in metric ?
" Bob : " Six , six is 12 , 30 is 42 beers .
42 metric beers .
" Doug : " That 's good for me eh .
Count me in on metric .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so...from the old days of Bob and Doug McKenzie figuring out the metric system (Canadians)to get from our 65mph zone to the metric, you double it and add 30. so you would have to be going 160 metric miles per hour to be equivalent.apparently if you only travel 120-130, we are about 32 metric miles faster.Doug: "Like how many beers would that be, if you want like, a sixpack in metric?
"Bob: "Six, six is 12, 30 is 42 beers.
42 metric beers.
"Doug: "That's good for me eh.
Count me in on metric.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28621725</id>
	<title>Great for Moon, Mars, beyond</title>
	<author>foniksonik</author>
	<datestamp>1247066100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>A vehicle such as this would be a great addition to any manned venture to another planet or even the moon. I think you all can work out the details of why... eh, this is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. I'll spell it out in a traditional format:</p><p>1) Build a light weight, fuel efficient vehicle powered by the most abundant resource in the universe<br>2) Launch it into space<br>3) ???<br>4) Profit!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A vehicle such as this would be a great addition to any manned venture to another planet or even the moon .
I think you all can work out the details of why... eh , this is / .
I 'll spell it out in a traditional format : 1 ) Build a light weight , fuel efficient vehicle powered by the most abundant resource in the universe2 ) Launch it into space3 ) ? ?
? 4 ) Profit ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A vehicle such as this would be a great addition to any manned venture to another planet or even the moon.
I think you all can work out the details of why... eh, this is /.
I'll spell it out in a traditional format:1) Build a light weight, fuel efficient vehicle powered by the most abundant resource in the universe2) Launch it into space3) ??
?4) Profit!!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618929</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1247086740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>ICE are actually about 30-40\% energy efficient in terms of the energy utilized to move the vehicle. I assume that was what you were referring to, unless you're under the presumption that a vehicle with an electric motor can weigh about 1.5x what the driver does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ICE are actually about 30-40 \ % energy efficient in terms of the energy utilized to move the vehicle .
I assume that was what you were referring to , unless you 're under the presumption that a vehicle with an electric motor can weigh about 1.5x what the driver does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ICE are actually about 30-40\% energy efficient in terms of the energy utilized to move the vehicle.
I assume that was what you were referring to, unless you're under the presumption that a vehicle with an electric motor can weigh about 1.5x what the driver does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618855</id>
	<title>DUDE! COMMON</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247085840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>there are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.62 km in a mile your calculations are way off!! its not 1300 miles pergallon its more like<br>
&nbsp; 568<br>x.62=352.16<br>silly people no offense</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there are .62 km in a mile your calculations are way off ! !
its not 1300 miles pergallon its more like   568x.62 = 352.16silly people no offense</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there are .62 km in a mile your calculations are way off!!
its not 1300 miles pergallon its more like
  568x.62=352.16silly people no offense</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28621029</id>
	<title>Re:These types of competitions are interesting</title>
	<author>NotOverHere</author>
	<datestamp>1247063640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>      If you wanted some rapid advances not just the technology, but how it's implemented, then we need to start racing then next gen cars.  Set up an off-shoot of NASCAR or Formula One...<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Race officials give teams a pre-charged battery pack and an anemic amount of fuel.  Not only do you have to finish the race, you have to win.  Putting honor and egos on the line have a strong effect on getting things accomplished.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; It's amazing what technology has made the transition from the track to the street over the decades.  The KERS  tech is one that shows a lot of promise.  Heck, bring back the days in the US racing where car had to come off the production line</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you wanted some rapid advances not just the technology , but how it 's implemented , then we need to start racing then next gen cars .
Set up an off-shoot of NASCAR or Formula One.. .           Race officials give teams a pre-charged battery pack and an anemic amount of fuel .
Not only do you have to finish the race , you have to win .
Putting honor and egos on the line have a strong effect on getting things accomplished .
          It 's amazing what technology has made the transition from the track to the street over the decades .
The KERS tech is one that shows a lot of promise .
Heck , bring back the days in the US racing where car had to come off the production line</tokentext>
<sentencetext>      If you wanted some rapid advances not just the technology, but how it's implemented, then we need to start racing then next gen cars.
Set up an off-shoot of NASCAR or Formula One...
          Race officials give teams a pre-charged battery pack and an anemic amount of fuel.
Not only do you have to finish the race, you have to win.
Putting honor and egos on the line have a strong effect on getting things accomplished.
          It's amazing what technology has made the transition from the track to the street over the decades.
The KERS  tech is one that shows a lot of promise.
Heck, bring back the days in the US racing where car had to come off the production line</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28621805</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>foniksonik</author>
	<datestamp>1247066400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>shift over to clean power for plants</p></div><p>What? I always thoughts plants used the cleanest power available... lied to again, when will the deception end... first Santa Claus... now this...</p></div>
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<tokenext>shift over to clean power for plantsWhat ?
I always thoughts plants used the cleanest power available... lied to again , when will the deception end... first Santa Claus... now this.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>shift over to clean power for plantsWhat?
I always thoughts plants used the cleanest power available... lied to again, when will the deception end... first Santa Claus... now this...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618631</id>
	<title>City or Highway?</title>
	<author>Burning1</author>
	<datestamp>1247083260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>1,336 MPG? Is that city or highway?</p><p>Seriously though... What is the practical fuel economy of this vehicle under normal driving conditions? With a strong tail wind and solid tires, everything I own is 'capable' of 100MPG. In practice, 40 MPG is about what I expect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1,336 MPG ?
Is that city or highway ? Seriously though... What is the practical fuel economy of this vehicle under normal driving conditions ?
With a strong tail wind and solid tires , everything I own is 'capable ' of 100MPG .
In practice , 40 MPG is about what I expect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1,336 MPG?
Is that city or highway?Seriously though... What is the practical fuel economy of this vehicle under normal driving conditions?
With a strong tail wind and solid tires, everything I own is 'capable' of 100MPG.
In practice, 40 MPG is about what I expect.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28624193</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>clarkkent09</author>
	<datestamp>1247074980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><i>So maybe that's what you're doing wrong? You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done?</i> <br> <br>I think that's true but the discussion started about how Europeans drive smaller cars and yet have fewer fatalities, so I was just pointing out that driving habits and other factors might be a bigger influence here than the size of cars.<br> <br> <i>Moreover, I can't find any statistics on average distance travelled so I wouldn't assume that easily that americans drive more or that the difference is significant anyway.</i> <br> <br>Well apart from strong anecdotal evidence that anybody like me who lived in Europe and US can easily confirm, the fact that Americans drive more can be inferred from the table you linked to: US has much more fatalities than Europe per person, but not so much per mile traveled, <br> <br> <i>I'll take your bet and double it. Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics.</i> <br> <br>Yes, but its not just about the speed limit on the freeways but also about how long you spend driving on the freeways as opposed to city streets. I'm guessing, also from anecdotal evidence, since I don't have any better, is that due to greater distance between cities and also the design of the cities which is much more spread out the Americans spend more time on freeways so the accidents, when they happen, are more likely to be fatal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So maybe that 's what you 're doing wrong ?
You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done ?
I think that 's true but the discussion started about how Europeans drive smaller cars and yet have fewer fatalities , so I was just pointing out that driving habits and other factors might be a bigger influence here than the size of cars .
Moreover , I ca n't find any statistics on average distance travelled so I would n't assume that easily that americans drive more or that the difference is significant anyway .
Well apart from strong anecdotal evidence that anybody like me who lived in Europe and US can easily confirm , the fact that Americans drive more can be inferred from the table you linked to : US has much more fatalities than Europe per person , but not so much per mile traveled , I 'll take your bet and double it .
Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics .
Yes , but its not just about the speed limit on the freeways but also about how long you spend driving on the freeways as opposed to city streets .
I 'm guessing , also from anecdotal evidence , since I do n't have any better , is that due to greater distance between cities and also the design of the cities which is much more spread out the Americans spend more time on freeways so the accidents , when they happen , are more likely to be fatal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So maybe that's what you're doing wrong?
You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done?
I think that's true but the discussion started about how Europeans drive smaller cars and yet have fewer fatalities, so I was just pointing out that driving habits and other factors might be a bigger influence here than the size of cars.
Moreover, I can't find any statistics on average distance travelled so I wouldn't assume that easily that americans drive more or that the difference is significant anyway.
Well apart from strong anecdotal evidence that anybody like me who lived in Europe and US can easily confirm, the fact that Americans drive more can be inferred from the table you linked to: US has much more fatalities than Europe per person, but not so much per mile traveled,   I'll take your bet and double it.
Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics.
Yes, but its not just about the speed limit on the freeways but also about how long you spend driving on the freeways as opposed to city streets.
I'm guessing, also from anecdotal evidence, since I don't have any better, is that due to greater distance between cities and also the design of the cities which is much more spread out the Americans spend more time on freeways so the accidents, when they happen, are more likely to be fatal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619597</id>
	<title>Gallon of fuel-grade Uranium?</title>
	<author>dltaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1247054280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using volume to compare hydrogen to gasoline (or diesel) is silly.</p><p>With a "gallon" of reactor fuel, a usable street vehicle could travel tens of thousands of miles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using volume to compare hydrogen to gasoline ( or diesel ) is silly.With a " gallon " of reactor fuel , a usable street vehicle could travel tens of thousands of miles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using volume to compare hydrogen to gasoline (or diesel) is silly.With a "gallon" of reactor fuel, a usable street vehicle could travel tens of thousands of miles.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620403</id>
	<title>Re:Not too impressive.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247061240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, european do it better:</p><p>http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/18/transportation-tuesday-8923-miles-per-gallon/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , european do it better : http : //www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/18/transportation-tuesday-8923-miles-per-gallon/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, european do it better:http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/18/transportation-tuesday-8923-miles-per-gallon/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28623833</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247073600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only thing we're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.</p></div><p>You mean like hydrogen fuel cells?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing we 're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.You mean like hydrogen fuel cells ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing we're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.You mean like hydrogen fuel cells?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618425</id>
	<title>Yeah just wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246994580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until you get rear ending by a semi truck. Or t-boned by a f-150, etc</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until you get rear ending by a semi truck .
Or t-boned by a f-150 , etc</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until you get rear ending by a semi truck.
Or t-boned by a f-150, etc</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28631939</id>
	<title>How many gallons of gasoline, or...</title>
	<author>aqk</author>
	<datestamp>1247070060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>... or how much coal burnt in power-plants, did it take to "MAKE" that hydrogen?  <br>
Or did the ingenious students fly off to the planet Jupiter to scoop up some free hydrogen?
 <br>
Huh!  Maybe they just drilled a well and got hydrogen that way! <br>
OK, let's leave the above to conjecture. <br>
 <br>
Now- how much energy was expended in condensing, chilling or otherwise storing this magical "hydrogen"?
 Golly!  It's a REAL BREAKTHROUGH, huh? <br>
When are some people gonna wake up to this hydrogen scam?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... or how much coal burnt in power-plants , did it take to " MAKE " that hydrogen ?
Or did the ingenious students fly off to the planet Jupiter to scoop up some free hydrogen ?
Huh ! Maybe they just drilled a well and got hydrogen that way !
OK , let 's leave the above to conjecture .
Now- how much energy was expended in condensing , chilling or otherwise storing this magical " hydrogen " ?
Golly ! It 's a REAL BREAKTHROUGH , huh ?
When are some people gon na wake up to this hydrogen scam ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... or how much coal burnt in power-plants, did it take to "MAKE" that hydrogen?
Or did the ingenious students fly off to the planet Jupiter to scoop up some free hydrogen?
Huh!  Maybe they just drilled a well and got hydrogen that way!
OK, let's leave the above to conjecture.
Now- how much energy was expended in condensing, chilling or otherwise storing this magical "hydrogen"?
Golly!  It's a REAL BREAKTHROUGH, huh?
When are some people gonna wake up to this hydrogen scam?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618353</id>
	<title>Re:These types of competitions are interesting</title>
	<author>Starlon</author>
	<datestamp>1246993740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're talking about the Model-T right? Granted with a little work, someone can fix those issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're talking about the Model-T right ?
Granted with a little work , someone can fix those issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're talking about the Model-T right?
Granted with a little work, someone can fix those issues.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618775</id>
	<title>Easier to massacre now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247085180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one welcome our new fuel efficient, genocidal overlords.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one welcome our new fuel efficient , genocidal overlords .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one welcome our new fuel efficient, genocidal overlords.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620669</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>kaiser423</author>
	<datestamp>1247062380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>
So maybe that's what you're doing wrong? You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done?
</p></div><p>Either that, or we're just a huge country.  I don't drive into work more than a couple of miles (some of my coworkers differ vastly), but I did end up driving nearly 1,000 miles over the weekend this last 4th just because I had to stop in a couple of places (drive to city to pick up person, drive them to a major surgery center, back to their place, then back home), and our cities are just so f-in far apart (SouthWest US).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So maybe that 's what you 're doing wrong ?
You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done ?
Either that , or we 're just a huge country .
I do n't drive into work more than a couple of miles ( some of my coworkers differ vastly ) , but I did end up driving nearly 1,000 miles over the weekend this last 4th just because I had to stop in a couple of places ( drive to city to pick up person , drive them to a major surgery center , back to their place , then back home ) , and our cities are just so f-in far apart ( SouthWest US ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
So maybe that's what you're doing wrong?
You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done?
Either that, or we're just a huge country.
I don't drive into work more than a couple of miles (some of my coworkers differ vastly), but I did end up driving nearly 1,000 miles over the weekend this last 4th just because I had to stop in a couple of places (drive to city to pick up person, drive them to a major surgery center, back to their place, then back home), and our cities are just so f-in far apart (SouthWest US).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620143</id>
	<title>Pointless</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1247060100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They need to change the rules on these efficiency challenges.  <a href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/07/07/sahimo-hydrogen-vehicle-travels-568-kilometers-on-1-liter-of-fuel/" title="inhabitat.com">This vehicle</a> [inhabitat.com] and <a href="http://www.inhabitat.com/2008/03/18/transportation-tuesday-8923-miles-per-gallon/" title="inhabitat.com">this vehicle</a> [inhabitat.com] are completely impractical.<br> <br>
The rules need to be:<br>
1)Must carry more than one occupant in a seated position.<br>
2)Must maintain an average speed of at least 30 mph.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They need to change the rules on these efficiency challenges .
This vehicle [ inhabitat.com ] and this vehicle [ inhabitat.com ] are completely impractical .
The rules need to be : 1 ) Must carry more than one occupant in a seated position .
2 ) Must maintain an average speed of at least 30 mph .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They need to change the rules on these efficiency challenges.
This vehicle [inhabitat.com] and this vehicle [inhabitat.com] are completely impractical.
The rules need to be:
1)Must carry more than one occupant in a seated position.
2)Must maintain an average speed of at least 30 mph.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618419</id>
	<title>Blast! This tech has been known since 1970's.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246994520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>References: Alex Schiffer, Paul Phantone and "Joe's" JoeCell, Stan Mayer, et al.  They have been teaching this for years, to run any alleged inefficient big American or Australian big-block combustion enine on atomic gasses Hydrogen and Oxgen (HHO) derived from over-efficient Water Electrolysis and "negatively charged Water."</p><p>Please kick Toyota and all the other corporations that try to put their patents on already public-domain materials that have already been disclosed.</p><p>As early as the 1st steam engine was this forked from, and as early as World War 2 did the German Nazi tank commanders supplement their diesel tanks with atomic 1-part Hydrogen gas and 2-parts Oxygen gas (HHO) derived from water.</p><p>I've been actively using this technology since 2002, a HHO torch to replace my Oxy-Acetylene torch.  Many that I know have been running their cars off this technology in HHO cells, depending on the effeciency of their assembly as a complement to an **-Octane Petrol from the pump or as is to a governor to mix with atmosphere to not race the engine.</p><p>It's all over YouTube, it's on OUPOWER.COM, it's everywhere.</p><p>Please, whatever anyone does, don't buy into the nonsense that you need to buy a new car and a new car engine just to run this stuff.</p><p>Kick out the corporations marketing this technology, because they are only here to fleece the public with the illusion that it is a faint and delicate fuel that needs to be harnassed with hand-tools and technicians outside the ordinary and only they may certify.</p><p>If GM and Chrysler is going down, and possibly Ford next, then please kick all the imports out of the states.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>References : Alex Schiffer , Paul Phantone and " Joe 's " JoeCell , Stan Mayer , et al .
They have been teaching this for years , to run any alleged inefficient big American or Australian big-block combustion enine on atomic gasses Hydrogen and Oxgen ( HHO ) derived from over-efficient Water Electrolysis and " negatively charged Water .
" Please kick Toyota and all the other corporations that try to put their patents on already public-domain materials that have already been disclosed.As early as the 1st steam engine was this forked from , and as early as World War 2 did the German Nazi tank commanders supplement their diesel tanks with atomic 1-part Hydrogen gas and 2-parts Oxygen gas ( HHO ) derived from water.I 've been actively using this technology since 2002 , a HHO torch to replace my Oxy-Acetylene torch .
Many that I know have been running their cars off this technology in HHO cells , depending on the effeciency of their assembly as a complement to an * * -Octane Petrol from the pump or as is to a governor to mix with atmosphere to not race the engine.It 's all over YouTube , it 's on OUPOWER.COM , it 's everywhere.Please , whatever anyone does , do n't buy into the nonsense that you need to buy a new car and a new car engine just to run this stuff.Kick out the corporations marketing this technology , because they are only here to fleece the public with the illusion that it is a faint and delicate fuel that needs to be harnassed with hand-tools and technicians outside the ordinary and only they may certify.If GM and Chrysler is going down , and possibly Ford next , then please kick all the imports out of the states .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>References: Alex Schiffer, Paul Phantone and "Joe's" JoeCell, Stan Mayer, et al.
They have been teaching this for years, to run any alleged inefficient big American or Australian big-block combustion enine on atomic gasses Hydrogen and Oxgen (HHO) derived from over-efficient Water Electrolysis and "negatively charged Water.
"Please kick Toyota and all the other corporations that try to put their patents on already public-domain materials that have already been disclosed.As early as the 1st steam engine was this forked from, and as early as World War 2 did the German Nazi tank commanders supplement their diesel tanks with atomic 1-part Hydrogen gas and 2-parts Oxygen gas (HHO) derived from water.I've been actively using this technology since 2002, a HHO torch to replace my Oxy-Acetylene torch.
Many that I know have been running their cars off this technology in HHO cells, depending on the effeciency of their assembly as a complement to an **-Octane Petrol from the pump or as is to a governor to mix with atmosphere to not race the engine.It's all over YouTube, it's on OUPOWER.COM, it's everywhere.Please, whatever anyone does, don't buy into the nonsense that you need to buy a new car and a new car engine just to run this stuff.Kick out the corporations marketing this technology, because they are only here to fleece the public with the illusion that it is a faint and delicate fuel that needs to be harnassed with hand-tools and technicians outside the ordinary and only they may certify.If GM and Chrysler is going down, and possibly Ford next, then please kick all the imports out of the states.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620115</id>
	<title>Re:Not too impressive.</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1247059980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually, no.  Check the math.</p><p><a href="http://www.optimumpopulation.org/optjournal/opt.af.hydrogen.journal03oct.pdf" title="optimumpopulation.org">http://www.optimumpopulation.org/optjournal/opt.af.hydrogen.journal03oct.pdf</a> [optimumpopulation.org]</p><p>it takes 2.3L of H2 to have the same energy equivalent of 1L of gasoline.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...and that's in a fuel cell, which is more efficient than an ICE burning H2.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually , no .
Check the math.http : //www.optimumpopulation.org/optjournal/opt.af.hydrogen.journal03oct.pdf [ optimumpopulation.org ] it takes 2.3L of H2 to have the same energy equivalent of 1L of gasoline .
...and that 's in a fuel cell , which is more efficient than an ICE burning H2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually, no.
Check the math.http://www.optimumpopulation.org/optjournal/opt.af.hydrogen.journal03oct.pdf [optimumpopulation.org]it takes 2.3L of H2 to have the same energy equivalent of 1L of gasoline.
...and that's in a fuel cell, which is more efficient than an ICE burning H2.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28621859</id>
	<title>In rods per hogshead...</title>
	<author>GameboyRMH</author>
	<datestamp>1247066640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It gets 26,208,000RPH (that's 655,200 furlongs per hogshead).
<br> <br>
In any case, that's <b>OVER 9000!!!!</b>
<br> <br>
<a href="http://weblogic.noroot.org/2006/02/24/rods-to-the-hogshead/" title="noroot.org">http://weblogic.noroot.org/2006/02/24/rods-to-the-hogshead/</a> [noroot.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It gets 26,208,000RPH ( that 's 655,200 furlongs per hogshead ) .
In any case , that 's OVER 9000 ! ! ! !
http : //weblogic.noroot.org/2006/02/24/rods-to-the-hogshead/ [ noroot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It gets 26,208,000RPH (that's 655,200 furlongs per hogshead).
In any case, that's OVER 9000!!!!
http://weblogic.noroot.org/2006/02/24/rods-to-the-hogshead/ [noroot.org]</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619561</id>
	<title>Re:Shell Eco Marathon, 1246 km on 1 liter</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1247053740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Converting the one in the article gives 554 kilometers per liter. So that car is more than twice as efficient.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Converting the one in the article gives 554 kilometers per liter .
So that car is more than twice as efficient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Converting the one in the article gives 554 kilometers per liter.
So that car is more than twice as efficient.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618919</id>
	<title>but, how to do it?</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1247086560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is how I'd start to approach making a modern street car more fuel efficient:</p><p>* start with a small sedan (Ford Focus, Honda Accord, etc.)<br>* rip out anything unnecessary from the inside. This includes all the comfort electronics. Weight requires more energy, so remove as much as possible.<br>* remove all unnecessary subsystems that leech from the alternator: air conditioning, power steering, ABS, etc.<br>* remove the "emission control" measures, which seem to invariably sap a good 25\%+ fuel efficiency.<br>* add an HHO system and run the engine rich, either tricking the sensors or modifying the computer to ignore the high readings<br>* if you plan on heavy city driving, add in the break energy collector and a fuel cell of some sort.</p><p>Bet you could get close to 100MPG if you did  something like this. Too bad performance and fuel efficiency seems to drop off quickly if you go below a 4 cyl engine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is how I 'd start to approach making a modern street car more fuel efficient : * start with a small sedan ( Ford Focus , Honda Accord , etc .
) * rip out anything unnecessary from the inside .
This includes all the comfort electronics .
Weight requires more energy , so remove as much as possible .
* remove all unnecessary subsystems that leech from the alternator : air conditioning , power steering , ABS , etc .
* remove the " emission control " measures , which seem to invariably sap a good 25 \ % + fuel efficiency .
* add an HHO system and run the engine rich , either tricking the sensors or modifying the computer to ignore the high readings * if you plan on heavy city driving , add in the break energy collector and a fuel cell of some sort.Bet you could get close to 100MPG if you did something like this .
Too bad performance and fuel efficiency seems to drop off quickly if you go below a 4 cyl engine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is how I'd start to approach making a modern street car more fuel efficient:* start with a small sedan (Ford Focus, Honda Accord, etc.
)* rip out anything unnecessary from the inside.
This includes all the comfort electronics.
Weight requires more energy, so remove as much as possible.
* remove all unnecessary subsystems that leech from the alternator: air conditioning, power steering, ABS, etc.
* remove the "emission control" measures, which seem to invariably sap a good 25\%+ fuel efficiency.
* add an HHO system and run the engine rich, either tricking the sensors or modifying the computer to ignore the high readings* if you plan on heavy city driving, add in the break energy collector and a fuel cell of some sort.Bet you could get close to 100MPG if you did  something like this.
Too bad performance and fuel efficiency seems to drop off quickly if you go below a 4 cyl engine.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619729</id>
	<title>Re:DUDE! COMMON</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247056320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would that be "COME ON"?</p><p>Silly people</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would that be " COME ON " ? Silly people</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would that be "COME ON"?Silly people</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618867</id>
	<title>Re:Per liter, why is that hard?</title>
	<author>Renraku</author>
	<datestamp>1247085960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but most cars don't require a NRC license to own/operate/sell.</p><p>Under current NRC rules, you could be held responsible if you sell the car and:</p><p>The new owner wrecks it, causing contamination.<br>The new owner takes it apart and manufactures nuclear weapons and/or contamination-based weapons.<br>The new owner sells it to people who do the above.<br>The new owner gets rid of the car by driving it off the local dock or into the local rock quarry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but most cars do n't require a NRC license to own/operate/sell.Under current NRC rules , you could be held responsible if you sell the car and : The new owner wrecks it , causing contamination.The new owner takes it apart and manufactures nuclear weapons and/or contamination-based weapons.The new owner sells it to people who do the above.The new owner gets rid of the car by driving it off the local dock or into the local rock quarry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but most cars don't require a NRC license to own/operate/sell.Under current NRC rules, you could be held responsible if you sell the car and:The new owner wrecks it, causing contamination.The new owner takes it apart and manufactures nuclear weapons and/or contamination-based weapons.The new owner sells it to people who do the above.The new owner gets rid of the car by driving it off the local dock or into the local rock quarry.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28628163</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah just wait...</title>
	<author>tompaulco</author>
	<datestamp>1247046660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Carbon fiber is actually stronger than steel.</i> <br>
A buddy of mine got cracked fork on his high-end bicycle the other day while riding on a paved bike path. No buddies of mine have ever gotten a cracked fork in their steel frame bicycles. I know, anecdotal evidence and all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Carbon fiber is actually stronger than steel .
A buddy of mine got cracked fork on his high-end bicycle the other day while riding on a paved bike path .
No buddies of mine have ever gotten a cracked fork in their steel frame bicycles .
I know , anecdotal evidence and all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Carbon fiber is actually stronger than steel.
A buddy of mine got cracked fork on his high-end bicycle the other day while riding on a paved bike path.
No buddies of mine have ever gotten a cracked fork in their steel frame bicycles.
I know, anecdotal evidence and all.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619491</id>
	<title>Gallons are not fungible</title>
	<author>PhilHibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1247052780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only reason to compare fuel volume is one of convenience. How far can I travel in a vehicle that devotes a given amount of space for its fuel storage. However, we don't compare electric vehicles based on how much space their batteries take up to travel a given distance. Comparing gallons of hydrogen with gallons of gasoline and making it look like a fuel economy comparison is totally misleading.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason to compare fuel volume is one of convenience .
How far can I travel in a vehicle that devotes a given amount of space for its fuel storage .
However , we do n't compare electric vehicles based on how much space their batteries take up to travel a given distance .
Comparing gallons of hydrogen with gallons of gasoline and making it look like a fuel economy comparison is totally misleading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason to compare fuel volume is one of convenience.
How far can I travel in a vehicle that devotes a given amount of space for its fuel storage.
However, we don't compare electric vehicles based on how much space their batteries take up to travel a given distance.
Comparing gallons of hydrogen with gallons of gasoline and making it look like a fuel economy comparison is totally misleading.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28624265</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247075280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets.</p></div><p>I agree. Except i'm confused by your stance on hydrogen.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Electric motors can go very quickly (at least the speed limit), have great acceleration, don't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built, don't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis (the process of making useable hydrogen), have 0 risk of exploding (although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe, but its more of a mental thing), and are ridiculously efficient. You know that about 3\% of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver? With an electric motor, it is more like 50-80\%, depending on the type of vehicle.</p></div><p>A hydrogen fuel cell produces electricity which means a hydrogen fuel cell car is really an electric car. Granted you would fill with hydrogen instead of plugging it in.</p><p>The HUGE benefit of hydrogen fuel cell over a plug-in electric is refuel time. Once the stations are in place and such, refueling a fuel cell probably won't take much more time over a gas engine. You can't recharge batteries that fast, and if you do there are all sorts of other problems it introduces such as shortening it's life cycle.</p><p>
&nbsp; </p><p><div class="quote"><p>The only thing we're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.</p></div><p>I think we're waiting on a good way to store tons of electricity, whether that's a hydrogen fuel cell, rechargeable batteries or a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy\_Volt" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">gasoline generator.</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets.I agree .
Except i 'm confused by your stance on hydrogen.Electric motors can go very quickly ( at least the speed limit ) , have great acceleration , do n't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built , do n't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis ( the process of making useable hydrogen ) , have 0 risk of exploding ( although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe , but its more of a mental thing ) , and are ridiculously efficient .
You know that about 3 \ % of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver ?
With an electric motor , it is more like 50-80 \ % , depending on the type of vehicle.A hydrogen fuel cell produces electricity which means a hydrogen fuel cell car is really an electric car .
Granted you would fill with hydrogen instead of plugging it in.The HUGE benefit of hydrogen fuel cell over a plug-in electric is refuel time .
Once the stations are in place and such , refueling a fuel cell probably wo n't take much more time over a gas engine .
You ca n't recharge batteries that fast , and if you do there are all sorts of other problems it introduces such as shortening it 's life cycle .
  The only thing we 're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.I think we 're waiting on a good way to store tons of electricity , whether that 's a hydrogen fuel cell , rechargeable batteries or a gasoline generator .
[ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets.I agree.
Except i'm confused by your stance on hydrogen.Electric motors can go very quickly (at least the speed limit), have great acceleration, don't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built, don't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis (the process of making useable hydrogen), have 0 risk of exploding (although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe, but its more of a mental thing), and are ridiculously efficient.
You know that about 3\% of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver?
With an electric motor, it is more like 50-80\%, depending on the type of vehicle.A hydrogen fuel cell produces electricity which means a hydrogen fuel cell car is really an electric car.
Granted you would fill with hydrogen instead of plugging it in.The HUGE benefit of hydrogen fuel cell over a plug-in electric is refuel time.
Once the stations are in place and such, refueling a fuel cell probably won't take much more time over a gas engine.
You can't recharge batteries that fast, and if you do there are all sorts of other problems it introduces such as shortening it's life cycle.
  The only thing we're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.I think we're waiting on a good way to store tons of electricity, whether that's a hydrogen fuel cell, rechargeable batteries or a gasoline generator.
[wikipedia.org]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618489</id>
	<title>Per liter, why is that hard?</title>
	<author>Rakishi</author>
	<datestamp>1246995060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure you can find some nice radioactive thermal generators that have under a liter of fuel in them. That will get you a hundred thousand miles per liter easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure you can find some nice radioactive thermal generators that have under a liter of fuel in them .
That will get you a hundred thousand miles per liter easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure you can find some nice radioactive thermal generators that have under a liter of fuel in them.
That will get you a hundred thousand miles per liter easily.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28621165</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>nedlohs</author>
	<datestamp>1247064060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why?</p><p>1. The technology/designs they come up with will still occasionally apply to more traditional vehicles, so that's useful. Allowing such small and slow vehicles makes costs lower resulting in hopefully more experimental entries.</p><p>2. You aren't in it (and I'm not either) but I suspect there is a market for pure commuter vehicles. One person only, small, just needs to get the person from home to the train/bus/whatever car park (or even all the way to work, though in the US commute distances are so long that market is probably very small). Small becomes an advantage in the parking lot as well. Basically motor cycle replacements that aren't horrible in bad weather. Need to be cheap of course, since they'd be in addition to the family car.</p><p>I'm sure there are more cases for which such competitions provide useful outputs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ? 1 .
The technology/designs they come up with will still occasionally apply to more traditional vehicles , so that 's useful .
Allowing such small and slow vehicles makes costs lower resulting in hopefully more experimental entries.2 .
You are n't in it ( and I 'm not either ) but I suspect there is a market for pure commuter vehicles .
One person only , small , just needs to get the person from home to the train/bus/whatever car park ( or even all the way to work , though in the US commute distances are so long that market is probably very small ) .
Small becomes an advantage in the parking lot as well .
Basically motor cycle replacements that are n't horrible in bad weather .
Need to be cheap of course , since they 'd be in addition to the family car.I 'm sure there are more cases for which such competitions provide useful outputs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?1.
The technology/designs they come up with will still occasionally apply to more traditional vehicles, so that's useful.
Allowing such small and slow vehicles makes costs lower resulting in hopefully more experimental entries.2.
You aren't in it (and I'm not either) but I suspect there is a market for pure commuter vehicles.
One person only, small, just needs to get the person from home to the train/bus/whatever car park (or even all the way to work, though in the US commute distances are so long that market is probably very small).
Small becomes an advantage in the parking lot as well.
Basically motor cycle replacements that aren't horrible in bad weather.
Need to be cheap of course, since they'd be in addition to the family car.I'm sure there are more cases for which such competitions provide useful outputs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618279</id>
	<title>1336 MPG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246993080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>1,336 MPG</p></div><p>Still 1 short from being leet!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1,336 MPGStill 1 short from being leet !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1,336 MPGStill 1 short from being leet!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620751</id>
	<title>Neither yours is good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247062680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Distance is not so relevant due to vastly differing population density and traffic type. You may drive 120 miles a day as commute, but if you are doing it on a freeway with relatively low number of exit/entries then you will be vastly safer than the same person doing 120 miles a day in a urban environment without freeway. To give you a proper example, to go to my parents from Paris I did use only departmentals (with lot of crossings of smaller or other departmentals). The risk of an accident is far higher than if I did indeed take only the freeway/motorway (autoroute) for the SAME distance. So your statistic would not be the slightiest better. <br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; A far better statistic would be to compare distance travelled on similar road and population density and distance, then comapre countries. I dunno what the result would be, but after having seen the age of many of the stuff which was on road back when I was in Dallas Tx, I would make a wager that some part of the US would still be higher in accident incidence than most of the EU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Distance is not so relevant due to vastly differing population density and traffic type .
You may drive 120 miles a day as commute , but if you are doing it on a freeway with relatively low number of exit/entries then you will be vastly safer than the same person doing 120 miles a day in a urban environment without freeway .
To give you a proper example , to go to my parents from Paris I did use only departmentals ( with lot of crossings of smaller or other departmentals ) .
The risk of an accident is far higher than if I did indeed take only the freeway/motorway ( autoroute ) for the SAME distance .
So your statistic would not be the slightiest better .
    A far better statistic would be to compare distance travelled on similar road and population density and distance , then comapre countries .
I dunno what the result would be , but after having seen the age of many of the stuff which was on road back when I was in Dallas Tx , I would make a wager that some part of the US would still be higher in accident incidence than most of the EU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Distance is not so relevant due to vastly differing population density and traffic type.
You may drive 120 miles a day as commute, but if you are doing it on a freeway with relatively low number of exit/entries then you will be vastly safer than the same person doing 120 miles a day in a urban environment without freeway.
To give you a proper example, to go to my parents from Paris I did use only departmentals (with lot of crossings of smaller or other departmentals).
The risk of an accident is far higher than if I did indeed take only the freeway/motorway (autoroute) for the SAME distance.
So your statistic would not be the slightiest better.
  
  A far better statistic would be to compare distance travelled on similar road and population density and distance, then comapre countries.
I dunno what the result would be, but after having seen the age of many of the stuff which was on road back when I was in Dallas Tx, I would make a wager that some part of the US would still be higher in accident incidence than most of the EU.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28638443</id>
	<title>Re:These types of competitions are interesting</title>
	<author>ResidentSourcerer</author>
	<datestamp>1247161860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hear hear!</p><p>Option 1:  Rear end gearing that lowers RPM for the same speed.</p><p>Option 2:  Use a narrower tire running at higher pressure.  This also requires modifying the suspension system to get the same quality ride.</p><p>Option 3:  under body panels to reduce undercar drag, possibly combined with airdams, or some form of flexible skirting.</p><p>Option 4:  Smart continuous gas mileage readout.  (Smart, because it should take into account when you are storing energy in the form of speed, or going up hill.  This way you can learn how to best drive the beast. (In passing, I think that this single change -- continuous readout mileage guage -- would give an enormous return on the cost in terms of making America energy independent.</p><p>That would be the "regular car" division.</p><p>Another division would be the, "modified body on standard chassis" where you could chuck the regular body, and put a whole new body on it.</p><p>A third division would be the "Change the power train" where you could replace/rebuild/the engine and transmission.  Hard to draw the line on this one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hear hear ! Option 1 : Rear end gearing that lowers RPM for the same speed.Option 2 : Use a narrower tire running at higher pressure .
This also requires modifying the suspension system to get the same quality ride.Option 3 : under body panels to reduce undercar drag , possibly combined with airdams , or some form of flexible skirting.Option 4 : Smart continuous gas mileage readout .
( Smart , because it should take into account when you are storing energy in the form of speed , or going up hill .
This way you can learn how to best drive the beast .
( In passing , I think that this single change -- continuous readout mileage guage -- would give an enormous return on the cost in terms of making America energy independent.That would be the " regular car " division.Another division would be the , " modified body on standard chassis " where you could chuck the regular body , and put a whole new body on it.A third division would be the " Change the power train " where you could replace/rebuild/the engine and transmission .
Hard to draw the line on this one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hear hear!Option 1:  Rear end gearing that lowers RPM for the same speed.Option 2:  Use a narrower tire running at higher pressure.
This also requires modifying the suspension system to get the same quality ride.Option 3:  under body panels to reduce undercar drag, possibly combined with airdams, or some form of flexible skirting.Option 4:  Smart continuous gas mileage readout.
(Smart, because it should take into account when you are storing energy in the form of speed, or going up hill.
This way you can learn how to best drive the beast.
(In passing, I think that this single change -- continuous readout mileage guage -- would give an enormous return on the cost in terms of making America energy independent.That would be the "regular car" division.Another division would be the, "modified body on standard chassis" where you could chuck the regular body, and put a whole new body on it.A third division would be the "Change the power train" where you could replace/rebuild/the engine and transmission.
Hard to draw the line on this one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28627783</id>
	<title>Why are we still measuring in MPG?</title>
	<author>brentonboy</author>
	<datestamp>1247044860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Miles Per Gallon is useful if you need to know how far you can get with the fuel that you have. While that's important, I think the real reason we're interested in this car is because of the fuel efficiency, which is conveyed much better if it's put in <strong>Gallons Per Mile</strong>. Knowing how much fuel you use per mile is what we're really interested in anyway, and MPG is misleading when representing that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Miles Per Gallon is useful if you need to know how far you can get with the fuel that you have .
While that 's important , I think the real reason we 're interested in this car is because of the fuel efficiency , which is conveyed much better if it 's put in Gallons Per Mile .
Knowing how much fuel you use per mile is what we 're really interested in anyway , and MPG is misleading when representing that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Miles Per Gallon is useful if you need to know how far you can get with the fuel that you have.
While that's important, I think the real reason we're interested in this car is because of the fuel efficiency, which is conveyed much better if it's put in Gallons Per Mile.
Knowing how much fuel you use per mile is what we're really interested in anyway, and MPG is misleading when representing that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28628487</id>
	<title>What about against the wind?</title>
	<author>lie2me</author>
	<datestamp>1247048220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i.e. not downwind</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i.e .
not downwind</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i.e.
not downwind</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620887</id>
	<title>Farse</title>
	<author>Stenchwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1247063100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All they did was add a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOgFPOG-fsY" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">body kit</a> [youtube.com] to a Smart Car</htmltext>
<tokenext>All they did was add a body kit [ youtube.com ] to a Smart Car</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All they did was add a body kit [youtube.com] to a Smart Car</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622477</id>
	<title>Re:These types of competitions are interesting</title>
	<author>Carbaholic</author>
	<datestamp>1247068800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>there is just such a competition:  <a href="http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/" title="progressiv...xprize.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/</a> [progressiv...xprize.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>there is just such a competition : http : //www.progressiveautoxprize.org/ [ progressiv...xprize.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there is just such a competition:  http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/ [progressiv...xprize.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619131</id>
	<title>Re:Not too impressive.</title>
	<author>smash</author>
	<datestamp>1247046420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gasoline is 3.4x more energy dense than hydrogen, when it comes to a "by volume" measurement.  So, is being 3.4 less energy efficient something to brag about?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gasoline is 3.4x more energy dense than hydrogen , when it comes to a " by volume " measurement .
So , is being 3.4 less energy efficient something to brag about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gasoline is 3.4x more energy dense than hydrogen, when it comes to a "by volume" measurement.
So, is being 3.4 less energy efficient something to brag about?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618903</id>
	<title>http://windowsku.blogspot.com</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247086320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>nice post..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>nice post. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nice post..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618281</id>
	<title>The real question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246993080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At 110 kilograms, how far will it fly when it gets T-boned by a Hummer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At 110 kilograms , how far will it fly when it gets T-boned by a Hummer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At 110 kilograms, how far will it fly when it gets T-boned by a Hummer?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618885</id>
	<title>In the Metric System</title>
	<author>superFoieGras</author>
	<datestamp>1247086200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's only 0.18 l/100km !</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's only 0.18 l/100km !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's only 0.18 l/100km !</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28635423</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247149620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets.</p><p>Electric motors can go very quickly (at least the speed limit), have great acceleration, don't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built, don't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis (the process of making useable hydrogen), have 0 risk of exploding (although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe, but its more of a mental thing), and are ridiculously efficient. You know that about 3\% of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver? With an electric motor, it is more like 50-80\%, depending on the type of vehicle.</p><p>You could argue that we're just shifting the dependance (and the green house gases) to power plants- but this would open a door to a 100\% maintainable system, it just requires an eventual (much more eventual than current state) shift over to clean power for plants.<br>Our existing grid could easily handle 20 million plugin cars.</p><p>The only thing we're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.</p></div><p>The energy efficency of a 4 stroke diesel engine it's about 38\% and not 3\% like you say.<br>since the electricity is mainly produced from fossil fuel the overall efficency of an electric car (including the energy production and transmission) will be lower for an electric car.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets.Electric motors can go very quickly ( at least the speed limit ) , have great acceleration , do n't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built , do n't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis ( the process of making useable hydrogen ) , have 0 risk of exploding ( although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe , but its more of a mental thing ) , and are ridiculously efficient .
You know that about 3 \ % of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver ?
With an electric motor , it is more like 50-80 \ % , depending on the type of vehicle.You could argue that we 're just shifting the dependance ( and the green house gases ) to power plants- but this would open a door to a 100 \ % maintainable system , it just requires an eventual ( much more eventual than current state ) shift over to clean power for plants.Our existing grid could easily handle 20 million plugin cars.The only thing we 're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.The energy efficency of a 4 stroke diesel engine it 's about 38 \ % and not 3 \ % like you say.since the electricity is mainly produced from fossil fuel the overall efficency of an electric car ( including the energy production and transmission ) will be lower for an electric car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my opinion cars driven by electric motors are where we should be placing our bets.Electric motors can go very quickly (at least the speed limit), have great acceleration, don't require a grid of hydrogen fuel stations to be built, don't require the massive amounts of energy used for electrolysis (the process of making useable hydrogen), have 0 risk of exploding (although admittedly hydrogen vehicles are pretty safe, but its more of a mental thing), and are ridiculously efficient.
You know that about 3\% of the energy used in internal combustion engines actually ends up moving the driver?
With an electric motor, it is more like 50-80\%, depending on the type of vehicle.You could argue that we're just shifting the dependance (and the green house gases) to power plants- but this would open a door to a 100\% maintainable system, it just requires an eventual (much more eventual than current state) shift over to clean power for plants.Our existing grid could easily handle 20 million plugin cars.The only thing we're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.The energy efficency of a 4 stroke diesel engine it's about 38\% and not 3\% like you say.since the electricity is mainly produced from fossil fuel the overall efficency of an electric car (including the energy production and transmission) will be lower for an electric car.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618473</id>
	<title>Re:Yeah just wait...</title>
	<author>moniker127</author>
	<datestamp>1246994940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Car would probably roll in either case. Carbon fiber is actually stronger than steel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Car would probably roll in either case .
Carbon fiber is actually stronger than steel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Car would probably roll in either case.
Carbon fiber is actually stronger than steel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618347</id>
	<title>Re:WTF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246993680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I second that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I second that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second that.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622537</id>
	<title>Liters... at STP?</title>
	<author>StellarFury</author>
	<datestamp>1247068980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So wait. It gets 568 km to the liter. What does a liter mean? Are they using gaseous H2? Liquid H2? Solid-adsorbed H2? Is it a liter at STP? Is it a liter at 100 atm? At 2 K?</p><p>The article doesn't answer these questions. To say "a liter of hydrogen" is not meaningful in the same way as saying "a liter of gasoline." There could be a \_huge\_ amount of fuel in a liter of hydrogen, or virtually none, depending on pressure and temperature.</p><p>The ideal gas law is not hard. People are supposed to learn it in high school. Is there a reason journalists can't pick up on these things?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So wait .
It gets 568 km to the liter .
What does a liter mean ?
Are they using gaseous H2 ?
Liquid H2 ?
Solid-adsorbed H2 ?
Is it a liter at STP ?
Is it a liter at 100 atm ?
At 2 K ? The article does n't answer these questions .
To say " a liter of hydrogen " is not meaningful in the same way as saying " a liter of gasoline .
" There could be a \ _huge \ _ amount of fuel in a liter of hydrogen , or virtually none , depending on pressure and temperature.The ideal gas law is not hard .
People are supposed to learn it in high school .
Is there a reason journalists ca n't pick up on these things ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So wait.
It gets 568 km to the liter.
What does a liter mean?
Are they using gaseous H2?
Liquid H2?
Solid-adsorbed H2?
Is it a liter at STP?
Is it a liter at 100 atm?
At 2 K?The article doesn't answer these questions.
To say "a liter of hydrogen" is not meaningful in the same way as saying "a liter of gasoline.
" There could be a \_huge\_ amount of fuel in a liter of hydrogen, or virtually none, depending on pressure and temperature.The ideal gas law is not hard.
People are supposed to learn it in high school.
Is there a reason journalists can't pick up on these things?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619319</id>
	<title>How many does it seat?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247049180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see any mention of how many  humans fit in this car. 1 child?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see any mention of how many humans fit in this car .
1 child ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see any mention of how many  humans fit in this car.
1 child?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622473</id>
	<title>a KM is less than a Mile....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247068800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How does 500ish KM= 1000ish miles?</p><p>1 Mile= 5280 feet<br>1 KM= 3280.84 feet...</p><p>so really its more like 300ish miles on a tank. Still good but not ridiculously amazing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How does 500ish KM = 1000ish miles ? 1 Mile = 5280 feet1 KM = 3280.84 feet...so really its more like 300ish miles on a tank .
Still good but not ridiculously amazing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does 500ish KM= 1000ish miles?1 Mile= 5280 feet1 KM= 3280.84 feet...so really its more like 300ish miles on a tank.
Still good but not ridiculously amazing...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620205</id>
	<title>Government Motors</title>
	<author>thorkyl</author>
	<datestamp>1247060340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GM will be releasing this thing in 2011 as the new flagship luxury car...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GM will be releasing this thing in 2011 as the new flagship luxury car.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GM will be releasing this thing in 2011 as the new flagship luxury car...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618327</id>
	<title>These types of competitions are interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246993560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but I'd rather see a competition that takes regular cars and modifies them to get the most gas mileage. The problem with these uber gas-mileage vehicles is that they're street legal, have no safety equipment, and don't go very fast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but I 'd rather see a competition that takes regular cars and modifies them to get the most gas mileage .
The problem with these uber gas-mileage vehicles is that they 're street legal , have no safety equipment , and do n't go very fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but I'd rather see a competition that takes regular cars and modifies them to get the most gas mileage.
The problem with these uber gas-mileage vehicles is that they're street legal, have no safety equipment, and don't go very fast.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28622971</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>TimK65</author>
	<datestamp>1247070480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Americans drive many more miles per year on average than Europeans, hence more chances to get killed.</p></div><p>The previous poster said, "You are doing something wrong."

You just told him or her what we're doing wrong.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Americans drive many more miles per year on average than Europeans , hence more chances to get killed.The previous poster said , " You are doing something wrong .
" You just told him or her what we 're doing wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Americans drive many more miles per year on average than Europeans, hence more chances to get killed.The previous poster said, "You are doing something wrong.
"

You just told him or her what we're doing wrong.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619095</id>
	<title>Re:Look at Scandinavia versus US</title>
	<author>Djupblue</author>
	<datestamp>1247046060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a Scandinavian I really don't know. But since out green party came into power by scaring everyone with environmental disaster and got driving on the road criminalized, traffic accidents decreased sharply.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Scandinavian I really do n't know .
But since out green party came into power by scaring everyone with environmental disaster and got driving on the road criminalized , traffic accidents decreased sharply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Scandinavian I really don't know.
But since out green party came into power by scaring everyone with environmental disaster and got driving on the road criminalized, traffic accidents decreased sharply.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618773</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620359</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1247061060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also don't forget the United States ranks 50th in population density. For the most part people need to drive from point A to B and Mass transit would be prohibitively expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also do n't forget the United States ranks 50th in population density .
For the most part people need to drive from point A to B and Mass transit would be prohibitively expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also don't forget the United States ranks 50th in population density.
For the most part people need to drive from point A to B and Mass transit would be prohibitively expensive.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618591</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620853</id>
	<title>Can't wait for this to hit the consumer sector</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1247063040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would love to see more of these technologies coming out in the consumer sector, where it can be used right now instead of 20 years from now....really!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would love to see more of these technologies coming out in the consumer sector , where it can be used right now instead of 20 years from now....really !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would love to see more of these technologies coming out in the consumer sector, where it can be used right now instead of 20 years from now....really!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618701</id>
	<title>Shell Eco Marathon, 1246 km on 1 liter</title>
	<author>skeffstone</author>
	<datestamp>1247084220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm surprised. Why does this 3rd place winner get this attention? If the numbers are anything to impress with, take a closer look at the winner, the Norwegian contribution, clocking in at 1246 km per 1 liter of fuel equivalents.

Official Results: <a href="http://www.shell.com/home/content/eco-marathon-en/europe/2009/results/app\_results\_2009.html" title="shell.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.shell.com/home/content/eco-marathon-en/europe/2009/results/app\_results\_2009.html</a> [shell.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised .
Why does this 3rd place winner get this attention ?
If the numbers are anything to impress with , take a closer look at the winner , the Norwegian contribution , clocking in at 1246 km per 1 liter of fuel equivalents .
Official Results : http : //www.shell.com/home/content/eco-marathon-en/europe/2009/results/app \ _results \ _2009.html [ shell.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised.
Why does this 3rd place winner get this attention?
If the numbers are anything to impress with, take a closer look at the winner, the Norwegian contribution, clocking in at 1246 km per 1 liter of fuel equivalents.
Official Results: http://www.shell.com/home/content/eco-marathon-en/europe/2009/results/app\_results\_2009.html [shell.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28621329</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>SatanicPuppy</author>
	<datestamp>1247064600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have <em>states</em> larger than any country in Europe...A certain amount of sprawl is guaranteed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have states larger than any country in Europe...A certain amount of sprawl is guaranteed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have states larger than any country in Europe...A certain amount of sprawl is guaranteed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619475</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619499</id>
	<title>Re:its more of a mental thing</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1247052900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Me? I think I'd rather explode in a quick hydrogen blast then burn to death in a gasoline fire.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Me ?
I think I 'd rather explode in a quick hydrogen blast then burn to death in a gasoline fire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Me?
I think I'd rather explode in a quick hydrogen blast then burn to death in a gasoline fire.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619143</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>SeaFox</author>
	<datestamp>1247046540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At over 1300 mpg, there's really no need for a dense grid of Hydrogen stations to begin with, as you'll rarely need to fill up and having to drive out to a station wont take that much out of the vehicle's range with a filled tank.</p><p>Heck, maybe it will be possible to simply order Hydrogen in small quantities and have it delivered to the consumer to fill their tank.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At over 1300 mpg , there 's really no need for a dense grid of Hydrogen stations to begin with , as you 'll rarely need to fill up and having to drive out to a station wont take that much out of the vehicle 's range with a filled tank.Heck , maybe it will be possible to simply order Hydrogen in small quantities and have it delivered to the consumer to fill their tank .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At over 1300 mpg, there's really no need for a dense grid of Hydrogen stations to begin with, as you'll rarely need to fill up and having to drive out to a station wont take that much out of the vehicle's range with a filled tank.Heck, maybe it will be possible to simply order Hydrogen in small quantities and have it delivered to the consumer to fill their tank.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618433</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619475</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>YeeHaW\_Jelte</author>
	<datestamp>1247052240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If you are referring to the first column in that table, it's a bogus comparison. Americans drive many more miles per year on average than Europeans, hence more chances to get killed."<br>So maybe that's what you're doing wrong? You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done?<br>Moreover, I can't find any statistics on average distance travelled so I wouldn't assume that easily that americans drive more or that the difference is significant anyway.</p><p>"An even better comparison would take into account the average speeds involved in the accidents as I bet US average speeds are higher (much wider roads on average and more highway driving as trips are generally over greater distances). Yes, I know about autobahns but still in general I think that's true."</p><p>I'll take your bet and double it. Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics. Judging from this map: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed\_limits\_in\_the\_United\_States" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed\_limits\_in\_the\_United\_States</a> [wikipedia.org], the speed limit is on average lower in the US than in the EU.</p><p>Secondly, traffic fatalities differ wildly from country to country in the EU, as they would probably from state to state in the US if we had the figures available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If you are referring to the first column in that table , it 's a bogus comparison .
Americans drive many more miles per year on average than Europeans , hence more chances to get killed .
" So maybe that 's what you 're doing wrong ?
You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done ? Moreover , I ca n't find any statistics on average distance travelled so I would n't assume that easily that americans drive more or that the difference is significant anyway .
" An even better comparison would take into account the average speeds involved in the accidents as I bet US average speeds are higher ( much wider roads on average and more highway driving as trips are generally over greater distances ) .
Yes , I know about autobahns but still in general I think that 's true .
" I 'll take your bet and double it .
Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics .
Judging from this map : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed \ _limits \ _in \ _the \ _United \ _States [ wikipedia.org ] , the speed limit is on average lower in the US than in the EU.Secondly , traffic fatalities differ wildly from country to country in the EU , as they would probably from state to state in the US if we had the figures available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If you are referring to the first column in that table, it's a bogus comparison.
Americans drive many more miles per year on average than Europeans, hence more chances to get killed.
"So maybe that's what you're doing wrong?
You have a high degree of urban sprawl and hence you have to drive too much to get your daily routine done?Moreover, I can't find any statistics on average distance travelled so I wouldn't assume that easily that americans drive more or that the difference is significant anyway.
"An even better comparison would take into account the average speeds involved in the accidents as I bet US average speeds are higher (much wider roads on average and more highway driving as trips are generally over greater distances).
Yes, I know about autobahns but still in general I think that's true.
"I'll take your bet and double it.
Most countries in the EU have either an 120 or a 130 km/h speed limit on freeways thats 75 or 80 mph for non-metrics.
Judging from this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed\_limits\_in\_the\_United\_States [wikipedia.org], the speed limit is on average lower in the US than in the EU.Secondly, traffic fatalities differ wildly from country to country in the EU, as they would probably from state to state in the US if we had the figures available.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620223</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>Sandbags</author>
	<datestamp>1247060460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about an interum solution:</p><p>www.dotyenergy.com.</p><p>It uses wind, H2, sequestered CO2, and runs in our current cars.  Burning their "WindFuels" (which is actually just gasoline made using wind for the energy and RFTS processing) releases no NEW Co2 into the atmosphere and is 100\% renewable.  It;s also safe, clean, and proven by 50 years of science.  (we were making diesel using this process WAY back in WWII).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about an interum solution : www.dotyenergy.com.It uses wind , H2 , sequestered CO2 , and runs in our current cars .
Burning their " WindFuels " ( which is actually just gasoline made using wind for the energy and RFTS processing ) releases no NEW Co2 into the atmosphere and is 100 \ % renewable .
It ; s also safe , clean , and proven by 50 years of science .
( we were making diesel using this process WAY back in WWII ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about an interum solution:www.dotyenergy.com.It uses wind, H2, sequestered CO2, and runs in our current cars.
Burning their "WindFuels" (which is actually just gasoline made using wind for the energy and RFTS processing) releases no NEW Co2 into the atmosphere and is 100\% renewable.
It;s also safe, clean, and proven by 50 years of science.
(we were making diesel using this process WAY back in WWII).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618319</id>
	<title>Not too impressive.</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1246993500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Considering that high-school students in the U.S. have built viable vehicles that get over 1,000 miles per gallon of <b>gasoline</b>. They should be able to do better with hydrogen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that high-school students in the U.S. have built viable vehicles that get over 1,000 miles per gallon of gasoline .
They should be able to do better with hydrogen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that high-school students in the U.S. have built viable vehicles that get over 1,000 miles per gallon of gasoline.
They should be able to do better with hydrogen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28620421</id>
	<title>Shell?</title>
	<author>db32</author>
	<datestamp>1247061300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Am I the only one that got a good laugh out of the sponsorship logos on that thing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one that got a good laugh out of the sponsorship logos on that thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one that got a good laugh out of the sponsorship logos on that thing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619835</id>
	<title>Hey I actually read something in TFA</title>
	<author>Junior J. Junior III</author>
	<datestamp>1247057580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The cost of development for the SAH&#196;MO wasn&#226;(TM)t cheap &#226;" amounting to $170,000.</p></div><p>Who the hell thinks that $170,000 to develop a prototype vehicle is expensive?  That sounds incredibly cheap, to me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The cost of development for the SAH   MO wasn   ( TM ) t cheap   " amounting to $ 170,000.Who the hell thinks that $ 170,000 to develop a prototype vehicle is expensive ?
That sounds incredibly cheap , to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cost of development for the SAHÄMO wasnâ(TM)t cheap â" amounting to $170,000.Who the hell thinks that $170,000 to develop a prototype vehicle is expensive?
That sounds incredibly cheap, to me.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28619731</id>
	<title>Patent violations</title>
	<author>homesnatch</author>
	<datestamp>1247056380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how many of Toyota's patents they have violated?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many of Toyota 's patents they have violated ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many of Toyota's patents they have violated?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618275</id>
	<title>WTF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246993020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the hell Slashdot, post the Google OS article already!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell Slashdot , post the Google OS article already !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell Slashdot, post the Google OS article already!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618757</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>jamesswift</author>
	<datestamp>1247084880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Our existing grid could easily handle 20 million plugin cars"</p><p>I'm not sure it could. Take for example the 10 minute fill up of this car <a href="http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/advanced-cars/electriccar-maker-touts-10minute-fillup" title="ieee.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/advanced-cars/electriccar-maker-touts-10minute-fillup</a> [ieee.org]</p><p>"To charge a 35-kWh battery in 10 minutes requires 250 kilowatts of power&#226;"five times as much as the average office building consumes at its peak. That rules out rapid charging at home. Even rapid-charge &#226;filling stations&#226; stretch the imagination, as you&#226;(TM)d need a megawatt power feed&#226;"generally available only at electrical substations&#226;"to simultaneously operate four power pumps. "</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Our existing grid could easily handle 20 million plugin cars " I 'm not sure it could .
Take for example the 10 minute fill up of this car http : //www.spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/advanced-cars/electriccar-maker-touts-10minute-fillup [ ieee.org ] " To charge a 35-kWh battery in 10 minutes requires 250 kilowatts of power   " five times as much as the average office building consumes at its peak .
That rules out rapid charging at home .
Even rapid-charge   filling stations   stretch the imagination , as you   ( TM ) d need a megawatt power feed   " generally available only at electrical substations   " to simultaneously operate four power pumps .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Our existing grid could easily handle 20 million plugin cars"I'm not sure it could.
Take for example the 10 minute fill up of this car http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/green-tech/advanced-cars/electriccar-maker-touts-10minute-fillup [ieee.org]"To charge a 35-kWh battery in 10 minutes requires 250 kilowatts of powerâ"five times as much as the average office building consumes at its peak.
That rules out rapid charging at home.
Even rapid-charge âfilling stationsâ stretch the imagination, as youâ(TM)d need a megawatt power feedâ"generally available only at electrical substationsâ"to simultaneously operate four power pumps.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618371</id>
	<title>It would get over 600km/l...</title>
	<author>turing\_m</author>
	<datestamp>1246994040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...if it had smooth disc wheel covers and an attempt at wheel skirts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...if it had smooth disc wheel covers and an attempt at wheel skirts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...if it had smooth disc wheel covers and an attempt at wheel skirts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28623191</id>
	<title>Turkey is NOT in Europe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247071260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Turkey is NOT a European country, they are trying hard to force their way in to the EU but they are not culturally, historically, religiously or ethnically European. So stop calling Turkey European you dimwitted Americans!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Turkey is NOT a European country , they are trying hard to force their way in to the EU but they are not culturally , historically , religiously or ethnically European .
So stop calling Turkey European you dimwitted Americans !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turkey is NOT a European country, they are trying hard to force their way in to the EU but they are not culturally, historically, religiously or ethnically European.
So stop calling Turkey European you dimwitted Americans!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618723</id>
	<title>Re:Electricity Hydrogen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247084580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The only thing we're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.</p></div></blockquote><p>Maybe the battery could be of a special type: It would split water into H2 and O2 as electricity enters, store the H2 in a compressed tank, and convert it back to electricity with a fuel cell on demand. To save weight, the water-splitting component could even be separated from the car and attached to the power outlet instead.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing we 're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.Maybe the battery could be of a special type : It would split water into H2 and O2 as electricity enters , store the H2 in a compressed tank , and convert it back to electricity with a fuel cell on demand .
To save weight , the water-splitting component could even be separated from the car and attached to the power outlet instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing we're waiting on is efficient battery technology for the range of the things.Maybe the battery could be of a special type: It would split water into H2 and O2 as electricity enters, store the H2 in a compressed tank, and convert it back to electricity with a fuel cell on demand.
To save weight, the water-splitting component could even be separated from the car and attached to the power outlet instead.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_2319253.28618591</id>
	<title>Re:The real question</title>
	<author>clarkkent09</author>
	<datestamp>1246996320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you are referring to the first column in that table, it's a bogus comparison. Americans drive many more miles per year on average than Europeans, hence more chances to get killed. Second column "Road fatalities per 1 billion vehicle-km" is a better comparison and US figure very much in line with west European averages. An even better comparison would take into account the average speeds involved in the accidents as I bet US average speeds are higher (much wider roads on average and more highway driving as trips are generally over greater distances). Yes, I know about autobahns but still in general I think that's true. <br> <br>Note: I live in the US and drive a small fuel efficient car so don't mistake me for an SUV lover, I just hate misleading statistics</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are referring to the first column in that table , it 's a bogus comparison .
Americans drive many more miles per year on average than Europeans , hence more chances to get killed .
Second column " Road fatalities per 1 billion vehicle-km " is a better comparison and US figure very much in line with west European averages .
An even better comparison would take into account the average speeds involved in the accidents as I bet US average speeds are higher ( much wider roads on average and more highway driving as trips are generally over greater distances ) .
Yes , I know about autobahns but still in general I think that 's true .
Note : I live in the US and drive a small fuel efficient car so do n't mistake me for an SUV lover , I just hate misleading statistics</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are referring to the first column in that table, it's a bogus comparison.
Americans drive many more miles per year on average than Europeans, hence more chances to get killed.
Second column "Road fatalities per 1 billion vehicle-km" is a better comparison and US figure very much in line with west European averages.
An even better comparison would take into account the average speeds involved in the accidents as I bet US average speeds are higher (much wider roads on average and more highway driving as trips are generally over greater distances).
Yes, I know about autobahns but still in general I think that's true.
Note: I live in the US and drive a small fuel efficient car so don't mistake me for an SUV lover, I just hate misleading statistics</sentencetext>
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