<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_05_1546214</id>
	<title>We Rent Movies, So Why Not Textbooks?</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1246811160000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"Using Netflix as a business model, Osman Rashid and Aayush Phumbhra founded Chegg, shorthand for 'chicken and egg,' to <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/business/05ping.html">gather books from sellers at the end of a semester</a> and renting &mdash; or sometimes selling &mdash; them to other students at the start of a new one. Chegg began renting books in 2007, before it owned any, so when an order came in, its employees would surf the Web to find a cheap copy. They would buy the book using Rashid's American Express card and have it shipped to the student. Eventually, Chegg automated the system. 'People thought we were crazy,' Rashid said.  Now, as Chegg prepares for its third academic year in the textbook rental business, the business is growing rapidly. Jim Safka, a former chief executive of Match.com and Ask.com who was recently recruited to run Chegg, said the company's revenue in 2008 was more than $10 million, and this year, Chegg surpassed that in January alone."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " Using Netflix as a business model , Osman Rashid and Aayush Phumbhra founded Chegg , shorthand for 'chicken and egg, ' to gather books from sellers at the end of a semester and renting    or sometimes selling    them to other students at the start of a new one .
Chegg began renting books in 2007 , before it owned any , so when an order came in , its employees would surf the Web to find a cheap copy .
They would buy the book using Rashid 's American Express card and have it shipped to the student .
Eventually , Chegg automated the system .
'People thought we were crazy, ' Rashid said .
Now , as Chegg prepares for its third academic year in the textbook rental business , the business is growing rapidly .
Jim Safka , a former chief executive of Match.com and Ask.com who was recently recruited to run Chegg , said the company 's revenue in 2008 was more than $ 10 million , and this year , Chegg surpassed that in January alone .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "Using Netflix as a business model, Osman Rashid and Aayush Phumbhra founded Chegg, shorthand for 'chicken and egg,' to gather books from sellers at the end of a semester and renting — or sometimes selling — them to other students at the start of a new one.
Chegg began renting books in 2007, before it owned any, so when an order came in, its employees would surf the Web to find a cheap copy.
They would buy the book using Rashid's American Express card and have it shipped to the student.
Eventually, Chegg automated the system.
'People thought we were crazy,' Rashid said.
Now, as Chegg prepares for its third academic year in the textbook rental business, the business is growing rapidly.
Jim Safka, a former chief executive of Match.com and Ask.com who was recently recruited to run Chegg, said the company's revenue in 2008 was more than $10 million, and this year, Chegg surpassed that in January alone.
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	<title>Rashid and Phumbhra not founders of CheggPost</title>
	<author>californication</author>
	<datestamp>1246789020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>CheggPost was started at Iowa State University by three guys: Josh, Mark, and Seager (can't remember their last names).  When it first started it was a site for buying/selling textbooks among other things.  I remember hearing a few years ago that they sold the site.  Rashid and Phumbhra may have been the founders of the textbook rental business model, but the website was originally founded by those three guys at ISU.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "When the two entrepreneurs started Chegg, then called CheggPost, in 2003..."  They definately didn't start it, and I don't think they bought it until around 2006 - 2007.  It'd be nice if the article would give the original creators of the website some credit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CheggPost was started at Iowa State University by three guys : Josh , Mark , and Seager ( ca n't remember their last names ) .
When it first started it was a site for buying/selling textbooks among other things .
I remember hearing a few years ago that they sold the site .
Rashid and Phumbhra may have been the founders of the textbook rental business model , but the website was originally founded by those three guys at ISU .
          " When the two entrepreneurs started Chegg , then called CheggPost , in 2003... " They definately did n't start it , and I do n't think they bought it until around 2006 - 2007 .
It 'd be nice if the article would give the original creators of the website some credit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CheggPost was started at Iowa State University by three guys: Josh, Mark, and Seager (can't remember their last names).
When it first started it was a site for buying/selling textbooks among other things.
I remember hearing a few years ago that they sold the site.
Rashid and Phumbhra may have been the founders of the textbook rental business model, but the website was originally founded by those three guys at ISU.
          "When the two entrepreneurs started Chegg, then called CheggPost, in 2003..."  They definately didn't start it, and I don't think they bought it until around 2006 - 2007.
It'd be nice if the article would give the original creators of the website some credit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587285</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246819680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just finished a Statistics class for Business with a new edition of a book released.  The Prof goes on to state that he will only refer to the new book when quoting page numbers, which may or may not have changed.  He tells us he won't entertain questions about what content may be different from the previous version because he doesn't really know.  He gives us a nice story and his sympathies when it comes to college textbooks and the pricing scheme between new and used.  He talked about how the revision process works: how publishers only allow slight changes to a set number of chapters and maybe 1 or 2 major chapter revisions.  He explained how the compensation process works.  And he eventually realized that his name is all over the textbook because he's the primary author.</p><p>I must say, that is pretty much the only thing I really learned in Busniess Statistics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just finished a Statistics class for Business with a new edition of a book released .
The Prof goes on to state that he will only refer to the new book when quoting page numbers , which may or may not have changed .
He tells us he wo n't entertain questions about what content may be different from the previous version because he does n't really know .
He gives us a nice story and his sympathies when it comes to college textbooks and the pricing scheme between new and used .
He talked about how the revision process works : how publishers only allow slight changes to a set number of chapters and maybe 1 or 2 major chapter revisions .
He explained how the compensation process works .
And he eventually realized that his name is all over the textbook because he 's the primary author.I must say , that is pretty much the only thing I really learned in Busniess Statistics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just finished a Statistics class for Business with a new edition of a book released.
The Prof goes on to state that he will only refer to the new book when quoting page numbers, which may or may not have changed.
He tells us he won't entertain questions about what content may be different from the previous version because he doesn't really know.
He gives us a nice story and his sympathies when it comes to college textbooks and the pricing scheme between new and used.
He talked about how the revision process works: how publishers only allow slight changes to a set number of chapters and maybe 1 or 2 major chapter revisions.
He explained how the compensation process works.
And he eventually realized that his name is all over the textbook because he's the primary author.I must say, that is pretty much the only thing I really learned in Busniess Statistics.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590021</id>
	<title>re: Editions and answers</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1246804320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1 Not pwned, just answered.</p><p>2 and 3, thanks for the kind words.</p><p>3 I use Excel heavily for transporting data between electrophysiology recorders and statistical analysis packages and so forth. I can see what you're saying. I'll try it. Thanks.</p><p>And 2, watch the split infinitives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 Not pwned , just answered.2 and 3 , thanks for the kind words.3 I use Excel heavily for transporting data between electrophysiology recorders and statistical analysis packages and so forth .
I can see what you 're saying .
I 'll try it .
Thanks.And 2 , watch the split infinitives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1 Not pwned, just answered.2 and 3, thanks for the kind words.3 I use Excel heavily for transporting data between electrophysiology recorders and statistical analysis packages and so forth.
I can see what you're saying.
I'll try it.
Thanks.And 2, watch the split infinitives.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587939</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246825980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>tl.dr</p><p>Good help is hard to find.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>tl.drGood help is hard to find .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>tl.drGood help is hard to find.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590327</id>
	<title>Re:Keep em for reference!</title>
	<author>thisissilly</author>
	<datestamp>1246808160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could most likely save money by renting your books, and then for the ones you want to keep, purchasing used copies of previous editions for pennies on the dollar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could most likely save money by renting your books , and then for the ones you want to keep , purchasing used copies of previous editions for pennies on the dollar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could most likely save money by renting your books, and then for the ones you want to keep, purchasing used copies of previous editions for pennies on the dollar.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587099</id>
	<title>Their costs are your costs.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246817880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't matter how you slice it, the text book industry wants to get their $150/book/semester out of you.  They don't really care how they get their income, as long as they get it.  They'll either do it by making you buy a new book, which you can keep, or by charging you the same amount for a book that you can rent for the same amount of money, only now you have to turn it in when you're done, instead of having the option to keep it or sell it again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't matter how you slice it , the text book industry wants to get their $ 150/book/semester out of you .
They do n't really care how they get their income , as long as they get it .
They 'll either do it by making you buy a new book , which you can keep , or by charging you the same amount for a book that you can rent for the same amount of money , only now you have to turn it in when you 're done , instead of having the option to keep it or sell it again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't matter how you slice it, the text book industry wants to get their $150/book/semester out of you.
They don't really care how they get their income, as long as they get it.
They'll either do it by making you buy a new book, which you can keep, or by charging you the same amount for a book that you can rent for the same amount of money, only now you have to turn it in when you're done, instead of having the option to keep it or sell it again.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588003</id>
	<title>Highway Robbery</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246826460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It does seem to be highway robbery selling textbooks in the US. I'm a teacher and was using a great book this semester - hardback sells for $ 100 in the US. I found a European edition for 60 &#226; (about $ 84). During the semester, the German translation came out. Despite the extra effort needed to produce the translation, it only cost 40 &#226; (about $56). In hard back.</p><p>I think teachers should start writing their books open access.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does seem to be highway robbery selling textbooks in the US .
I 'm a teacher and was using a great book this semester - hardback sells for $ 100 in the US .
I found a European edition for 60   ( about $ 84 ) .
During the semester , the German translation came out .
Despite the extra effort needed to produce the translation , it only cost 40   ( about $ 56 ) .
In hard back.I think teachers should start writing their books open access .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does seem to be highway robbery selling textbooks in the US.
I'm a teacher and was using a great book this semester - hardback sells for $ 100 in the US.
I found a European edition for 60 â (about $ 84).
During the semester, the German translation came out.
Despite the extra effort needed to produce the translation, it only cost 40 â (about $56).
In hard back.I think teachers should start writing their books open access.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587075</id>
	<title>Re:Does this really save that much money?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246817700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I looked up the prices of books I used last semester on Chegg and a AddAll (a used book search engine) and the price to purchase a used copy was the same or less than the price to rent. And, I get to sell (or keep) the book at the end of the course.</p><p>I guess it will save you money if you buy books new but I don't plan on switching.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I looked up the prices of books I used last semester on Chegg and a AddAll ( a used book search engine ) and the price to purchase a used copy was the same or less than the price to rent .
And , I get to sell ( or keep ) the book at the end of the course.I guess it will save you money if you buy books new but I do n't plan on switching .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I looked up the prices of books I used last semester on Chegg and a AddAll (a used book search engine) and the price to purchase a used copy was the same or less than the price to rent.
And, I get to sell (or keep) the book at the end of the course.I guess it will save you money if you buy books new but I don't plan on switching.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587215</id>
	<title>Printing Books</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246819080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I work at a college and have heard this from a lot of students.  They do lots of bargain shopping.  One thing we've seen a lot of as of late is profs who give their students PDFs of scanned pages and tell them to print that out in a lab.</p><p>Aside from some obvious issues on copyright, we're implementing a print management system this fall.  Every student gets a quota per semester.  If your prof just told you to print out a text book, are you going to waste most of your quota on that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work at a college and have heard this from a lot of students .
They do lots of bargain shopping .
One thing we 've seen a lot of as of late is profs who give their students PDFs of scanned pages and tell them to print that out in a lab.Aside from some obvious issues on copyright , we 're implementing a print management system this fall .
Every student gets a quota per semester .
If your prof just told you to print out a text book , are you going to waste most of your quota on that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work at a college and have heard this from a lot of students.
They do lots of bargain shopping.
One thing we've seen a lot of as of late is profs who give their students PDFs of scanned pages and tell them to print that out in a lab.Aside from some obvious issues on copyright, we're implementing a print management system this fall.
Every student gets a quota per semester.
If your prof just told you to print out a text book, are you going to waste most of your quota on that?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586953</id>
	<title>Re:Does this really save that much money?</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1246816500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The margin between the buyback price and the resell price is huge with textbook stores on campus. I noticed this during my college career and started building a site that would facilitate peer-to-peer reselling without the middleman. Since the margin was so large, it would be very easy for me to undercut the textbook stores and still make a large profit.</p><p>Alas, it was eventually filed under my 'future ideas' folder along with 20 others and I was distracted by other things... like women and beer...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The margin between the buyback price and the resell price is huge with textbook stores on campus .
I noticed this during my college career and started building a site that would facilitate peer-to-peer reselling without the middleman .
Since the margin was so large , it would be very easy for me to undercut the textbook stores and still make a large profit.Alas , it was eventually filed under my 'future ideas ' folder along with 20 others and I was distracted by other things... like women and beer.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The margin between the buyback price and the resell price is huge with textbook stores on campus.
I noticed this during my college career and started building a site that would facilitate peer-to-peer reselling without the middleman.
Since the margin was so large, it would be very easy for me to undercut the textbook stores and still make a large profit.Alas, it was eventually filed under my 'future ideas' folder along with 20 others and I was distracted by other things... like women and beer...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587789</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>The Limp Devil</author>
	<datestamp>1246824840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If schools really cared about anything but profits, then we'd have a mandatory open-source textbook market where academia would be free to create and modify textbooks.</p></div><p>
Schools don't write books. Authors write books, and writing a good textbook is hard work, and boring too, compared to other work available to somebody who is competent to write one. I have only written one so far, and would only do it again if paid handsomely. The same goes for revising my first book.
<br> <br>
Who is going to write your open-source textbooks? And who is going to pay the authors?
<br> <br>
Note: I'm not American, and I acknowledge that the US textbook market is a racket. It is faily obvious from how US publishers try to convince me to switch to their books.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If schools really cared about anything but profits , then we 'd have a mandatory open-source textbook market where academia would be free to create and modify textbooks .
Schools do n't write books .
Authors write books , and writing a good textbook is hard work , and boring too , compared to other work available to somebody who is competent to write one .
I have only written one so far , and would only do it again if paid handsomely .
The same goes for revising my first book .
Who is going to write your open-source textbooks ?
And who is going to pay the authors ?
Note : I 'm not American , and I acknowledge that the US textbook market is a racket .
It is faily obvious from how US publishers try to convince me to switch to their books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If schools really cared about anything but profits, then we'd have a mandatory open-source textbook market where academia would be free to create and modify textbooks.
Schools don't write books.
Authors write books, and writing a good textbook is hard work, and boring too, compared to other work available to somebody who is competent to write one.
I have only written one so far, and would only do it again if paid handsomely.
The same goes for revising my first book.
Who is going to write your open-source textbooks?
And who is going to pay the authors?
Note: I'm not American, and I acknowledge that the US textbook market is a racket.
It is faily obvious from how US publishers try to convince me to switch to their books.
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	<title>Text Books</title>
	<author>nycheetah</author>
	<datestamp>1246872300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>There is a place to rent Text Books......The library

Sure, the library may not have the on you're looking for, so maybe they can start buying more of what you need for class.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a place to rent Text Books......The library Sure , the library may not have the on you 're looking for , so maybe they can start buying more of what you need for class .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a place to rent Text Books......The library

Sure, the library may not have the on you're looking for, so maybe they can start buying more of what you need for class.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28591155</id>
	<title>Re:Keep em for reference!</title>
	<author>sonpal</author>
	<datestamp>1246817580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I would not want to rent my books, because I want to keep them for reference in the career that they are supposedly providing us!</p> </div><p>I felt the same way in college but realized that I couldn't afford to keep the <i>latest</i> editions for reference.  So I sold all textbooks where the same edition was being used by the next class, and either purchased an older edition for $5 or waited a few years until a new edition came out and then purchased it for $5.  In instances where I had purchased a used book and then sold it, I was out a total of $5.</p><p>
&nbsp; </p><p>I saved a little more than a grand over 4 years and still have my reference copies.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div>
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<tokenext>I would not want to rent my books , because I want to keep them for reference in the career that they are supposedly providing us !
I felt the same way in college but realized that I could n't afford to keep the latest editions for reference .
So I sold all textbooks where the same edition was being used by the next class , and either purchased an older edition for $ 5 or waited a few years until a new edition came out and then purchased it for $ 5 .
In instances where I had purchased a used book and then sold it , I was out a total of $ 5 .
  I saved a little more than a grand over 4 years and still have my reference copies .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would not want to rent my books, because I want to keep them for reference in the career that they are supposedly providing us!
I felt the same way in college but realized that I couldn't afford to keep the latest editions for reference.
So I sold all textbooks where the same edition was being used by the next class, and either purchased an older edition for $5 or waited a few years until a new edition came out and then purchased it for $5.
In instances where I had purchased a used book and then sold it, I was out a total of $5.
  I saved a little more than a grand over 4 years and still have my reference copies.
:-)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586993</id>
	<title>Re:Does this really save that much money?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246816800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I started using Chegg as soon as the site went online, and in my experience, the answer is "it depends."  If you're renting a new edition of a book that is known to be updated frequently, you'll probably save a few bucks compared to the bookstore.  I managed to get the best savings either on older books, or new revisions of rarely updated books.  In some cases, I was paying $35 to rent books that cost $100 new or $75 used.</p><p>Keep in mind that in order to maximize savings, you really need to shop early.  If your professor or bookstore release the book list late in the game, you're not going to get a good deal.  But if you rent from Chegg a month or more before the semester starts, you can get some great bargains.</p><p>The major benefit to Chegg is that you don't have to worry about the risk of trying to resell books that will be revised the next semester, or have to fight through hundreds of online sellers who are undercutting your price.  Smart students recognize that the school bookstore will fleece them, so many people are buying and selling on Amazon or Half.com.  Once classes end, every idiot under the sun just wants to get rid of his book, even if it means getting $10 back on a $100 book.  Chegg eliminates both of those worries - you pay one discounted price, and mail off the book using a pre-paid stamp.</p><p>In all, compared to purchasing directly from the bookstore, I probably saved $500.  As compared to buying online, I saved about $200.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I started using Chegg as soon as the site went online , and in my experience , the answer is " it depends .
" If you 're renting a new edition of a book that is known to be updated frequently , you 'll probably save a few bucks compared to the bookstore .
I managed to get the best savings either on older books , or new revisions of rarely updated books .
In some cases , I was paying $ 35 to rent books that cost $ 100 new or $ 75 used.Keep in mind that in order to maximize savings , you really need to shop early .
If your professor or bookstore release the book list late in the game , you 're not going to get a good deal .
But if you rent from Chegg a month or more before the semester starts , you can get some great bargains.The major benefit to Chegg is that you do n't have to worry about the risk of trying to resell books that will be revised the next semester , or have to fight through hundreds of online sellers who are undercutting your price .
Smart students recognize that the school bookstore will fleece them , so many people are buying and selling on Amazon or Half.com .
Once classes end , every idiot under the sun just wants to get rid of his book , even if it means getting $ 10 back on a $ 100 book .
Chegg eliminates both of those worries - you pay one discounted price , and mail off the book using a pre-paid stamp.In all , compared to purchasing directly from the bookstore , I probably saved $ 500 .
As compared to buying online , I saved about $ 200 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started using Chegg as soon as the site went online, and in my experience, the answer is "it depends.
"  If you're renting a new edition of a book that is known to be updated frequently, you'll probably save a few bucks compared to the bookstore.
I managed to get the best savings either on older books, or new revisions of rarely updated books.
In some cases, I was paying $35 to rent books that cost $100 new or $75 used.Keep in mind that in order to maximize savings, you really need to shop early.
If your professor or bookstore release the book list late in the game, you're not going to get a good deal.
But if you rent from Chegg a month or more before the semester starts, you can get some great bargains.The major benefit to Chegg is that you don't have to worry about the risk of trying to resell books that will be revised the next semester, or have to fight through hundreds of online sellers who are undercutting your price.
Smart students recognize that the school bookstore will fleece them, so many people are buying and selling on Amazon or Half.com.
Once classes end, every idiot under the sun just wants to get rid of his book, even if it means getting $10 back on a $100 book.
Chegg eliminates both of those worries - you pay one discounted price, and mail off the book using a pre-paid stamp.In all, compared to purchasing directly from the bookstore, I probably saved $500.
As compared to buying online, I saved about $200.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587655</id>
	<title>cheggit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246823400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been doing all my 'studying' at Cheggit for years!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been doing all my 'studying ' at Cheggit for years !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been doing all my 'studying' at Cheggit for years!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590535</id>
	<title>Re:Hey Faggots,</title>
	<author>dieth</author>
	<datestamp>1246810680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My name is Dieth, I too hate everyone equally.  I am unaware if everyone is as fat or as retarded as the parent poster who obviously spends all his day refreshing slashdot trying to get a first post, possibly while looking at stupid pictures on idle in another tab.   I am very sure that 4chan out bads us in the this world, or possibly the script kiddos from IRC in the mid 90's.   I can get pussy and have had ex's come crawling back for some cock.   I wonder how insecure the parent poster is.   I do not have a facebook and I jerk off to porn at pichunter.

After taking our football teams captain down multiple times I was begged by our coach to be an interceptor for our team a request which I had to deny to pursue fencing sadly I was too much of a masochist for football to be appealing. I am currently versed in many forms of swordplay.   I was asked to leave public school because I stood up in Honours math and screamed at idiots who didn't understand what we covered at the beginning of the week to get the fuck out and stop holding me back.   After which I graduated a year and a half ahead of my peers with an average of 94\% across all subjects, (English brought me down you can probably tell from this writing), my school did not use a "letter grade" system.   Although I do not believe that any portion of my schooling is a true reflection of my abilities.   I wonder if the parent poster is just a remembering his glory days in highschool when he was popular instead of the washed up slob he is now, who probably still lives in his parents basement, probably eternally watching some old 8mm footage of his winning  touchdown for some school game that no one else but a handful of people in his city of residence can remember.

Outside of school I repaired business networks, and peoples home computers making money hand over fist which allowed me to pay rent to my parents when times got rough for them.   Repairing networks and enterprise middleware is now what I do.

I moved out of my parents household when I was 18, about 9 years ago, because my sleep schedule, or lack of one, conflicted heavily with theirs.

I did not know that jacking off to hentai was a sport if it actually is where do I sign up?  I can last a LONG time and shoot heavy loads. (Not sure if either those would be used to judge in the competition it was purely imagination)

Currently I live in Montreal, and can attest to the fact that every woman here is hotter than any girlfriend the parent poster has ever had, his all probably compare to Surrey girls who only come out for trash day.

Some of you probably are fags, some of you are probably straight, whichever your sexual preference it is I don't mind, if you are a fag, please don't hit on me, I'm straight, and I have been known to deck guys who hit on me when I'm drunk.   Please don't kill yourself, please assist me in further ridicule of the parent poster!

Thanks for reading.  (or listening if you are blind and using a text to speech reader, I find it very hard to listen to text without one).</htmltext>
<tokenext>My name is Dieth , I too hate everyone equally .
I am unaware if everyone is as fat or as retarded as the parent poster who obviously spends all his day refreshing slashdot trying to get a first post , possibly while looking at stupid pictures on idle in another tab .
I am very sure that 4chan out bads us in the this world , or possibly the script kiddos from IRC in the mid 90 's .
I can get pussy and have had ex 's come crawling back for some cock .
I wonder how insecure the parent poster is .
I do not have a facebook and I jerk off to porn at pichunter .
After taking our football teams captain down multiple times I was begged by our coach to be an interceptor for our team a request which I had to deny to pursue fencing sadly I was too much of a masochist for football to be appealing .
I am currently versed in many forms of swordplay .
I was asked to leave public school because I stood up in Honours math and screamed at idiots who did n't understand what we covered at the beginning of the week to get the fuck out and stop holding me back .
After which I graduated a year and a half ahead of my peers with an average of 94 \ % across all subjects , ( English brought me down you can probably tell from this writing ) , my school did not use a " letter grade " system .
Although I do not believe that any portion of my schooling is a true reflection of my abilities .
I wonder if the parent poster is just a remembering his glory days in highschool when he was popular instead of the washed up slob he is now , who probably still lives in his parents basement , probably eternally watching some old 8mm footage of his winning touchdown for some school game that no one else but a handful of people in his city of residence can remember .
Outside of school I repaired business networks , and peoples home computers making money hand over fist which allowed me to pay rent to my parents when times got rough for them .
Repairing networks and enterprise middleware is now what I do .
I moved out of my parents household when I was 18 , about 9 years ago , because my sleep schedule , or lack of one , conflicted heavily with theirs .
I did not know that jacking off to hentai was a sport if it actually is where do I sign up ?
I can last a LONG time and shoot heavy loads .
( Not sure if either those would be used to judge in the competition it was purely imagination ) Currently I live in Montreal , and can attest to the fact that every woman here is hotter than any girlfriend the parent poster has ever had , his all probably compare to Surrey girls who only come out for trash day .
Some of you probably are fags , some of you are probably straight , whichever your sexual preference it is I do n't mind , if you are a fag , please do n't hit on me , I 'm straight , and I have been known to deck guys who hit on me when I 'm drunk .
Please do n't kill yourself , please assist me in further ridicule of the parent poster !
Thanks for reading .
( or listening if you are blind and using a text to speech reader , I find it very hard to listen to text without one ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My name is Dieth, I too hate everyone equally.
I am unaware if everyone is as fat or as retarded as the parent poster who obviously spends all his day refreshing slashdot trying to get a first post, possibly while looking at stupid pictures on idle in another tab.
I am very sure that 4chan out bads us in the this world, or possibly the script kiddos from IRC in the mid 90's.
I can get pussy and have had ex's come crawling back for some cock.
I wonder how insecure the parent poster is.
I do not have a facebook and I jerk off to porn at pichunter.
After taking our football teams captain down multiple times I was begged by our coach to be an interceptor for our team a request which I had to deny to pursue fencing sadly I was too much of a masochist for football to be appealing.
I am currently versed in many forms of swordplay.
I was asked to leave public school because I stood up in Honours math and screamed at idiots who didn't understand what we covered at the beginning of the week to get the fuck out and stop holding me back.
After which I graduated a year and a half ahead of my peers with an average of 94\% across all subjects, (English brought me down you can probably tell from this writing), my school did not use a "letter grade" system.
Although I do not believe that any portion of my schooling is a true reflection of my abilities.
I wonder if the parent poster is just a remembering his glory days in highschool when he was popular instead of the washed up slob he is now, who probably still lives in his parents basement, probably eternally watching some old 8mm footage of his winning  touchdown for some school game that no one else but a handful of people in his city of residence can remember.
Outside of school I repaired business networks, and peoples home computers making money hand over fist which allowed me to pay rent to my parents when times got rough for them.
Repairing networks and enterprise middleware is now what I do.
I moved out of my parents household when I was 18, about 9 years ago, because my sleep schedule, or lack of one, conflicted heavily with theirs.
I did not know that jacking off to hentai was a sport if it actually is where do I sign up?
I can last a LONG time and shoot heavy loads.
(Not sure if either those would be used to judge in the competition it was purely imagination)

Currently I live in Montreal, and can attest to the fact that every woman here is hotter than any girlfriend the parent poster has ever had, his all probably compare to Surrey girls who only come out for trash day.
Some of you probably are fags, some of you are probably straight, whichever your sexual preference it is I don't mind, if you are a fag, please don't hit on me, I'm straight, and I have been known to deck guys who hit on me when I'm drunk.
Please don't kill yourself, please assist me in further ridicule of the parent poster!
Thanks for reading.
(or listening if you are blind and using a text to speech reader, I find it very hard to listen to text without one).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590359</id>
	<title>My high school had a textbook hire scheme</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246808460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... they bought class sets of books, hired them to the students each year. Students saved money and the school either broke even or made a profit. It's a bit trickier with university materials which tend to go out-of-date more often, but the business model is viable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... they bought class sets of books , hired them to the students each year .
Students saved money and the school either broke even or made a profit .
It 's a bit trickier with university materials which tend to go out-of-date more often , but the business model is viable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... they bought class sets of books, hired them to the students each year.
Students saved money and the school either broke even or made a profit.
It's a bit trickier with university materials which tend to go out-of-date more often, but the business model is viable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589425</id>
	<title>Re:I hate these textbook posts!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246797180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It all depends on the discipline you're learning. As a philosophy major I buy a lot of books. It just so happens that those books are worth keeping because they're usually by some of the greatest minds to ever walk the earth. At most you get a new translation every now and then, where the details are so minor that it really bares no difference if you get the new version or not. I always thought the books in computer science were of the worst quality, as they mostly just focused on language specific or incredibly recent ideas in software engineering. You know those will change drastically over the next twenty years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It all depends on the discipline you 're learning .
As a philosophy major I buy a lot of books .
It just so happens that those books are worth keeping because they 're usually by some of the greatest minds to ever walk the earth .
At most you get a new translation every now and then , where the details are so minor that it really bares no difference if you get the new version or not .
I always thought the books in computer science were of the worst quality , as they mostly just focused on language specific or incredibly recent ideas in software engineering .
You know those will change drastically over the next twenty years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It all depends on the discipline you're learning.
As a philosophy major I buy a lot of books.
It just so happens that those books are worth keeping because they're usually by some of the greatest minds to ever walk the earth.
At most you get a new translation every now and then, where the details are so minor that it really bares no difference if you get the new version or not.
I always thought the books in computer science were of the worst quality, as they mostly just focused on language specific or incredibly recent ideas in software engineering.
You know those will change drastically over the next twenty years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590893</id>
	<title>Selling your textbooks</title>
	<author>RevWaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1246815120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Selling your textbooks. Just another way of saying "I spent several hundred dollars and a few hundred man-hours learning something I'm never going to need to know again." Oh, sure I could peruse the textbook every once in awhile just to refresh, but, nah...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Selling your textbooks .
Just another way of saying " I spent several hundred dollars and a few hundred man-hours learning something I 'm never going to need to know again .
" Oh , sure I could peruse the textbook every once in awhile just to refresh , but , nah.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Selling your textbooks.
Just another way of saying "I spent several hundred dollars and a few hundred man-hours learning something I'm never going to need to know again.
" Oh, sure I could peruse the textbook every once in awhile just to refresh, but, nah...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28593199</id>
	<title>Why the enormous chip on your shoulder?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246887540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do all of your peers earn more money then you? Are they more popular? Better looking?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do all of your peers earn more money then you ?
Are they more popular ?
Better looking ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do all of your peers earn more money then you?
Are they more popular?
Better looking?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590497</id>
	<title>Pricing</title>
	<author>Fengpost</author>
	<datestamp>1246810140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am taking an off campus courses of a top American University graduate program here in Taiwan.  The exactly same text book sold here in Taiwan is about 1/5 the price of U.S. book store.  Our U.S. professor always come to Taiwan to buy the text book they need.  It is a total rip off for the U.S. students IMHO.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am taking an off campus courses of a top American University graduate program here in Taiwan .
The exactly same text book sold here in Taiwan is about 1/5 the price of U.S. book store .
Our U.S. professor always come to Taiwan to buy the text book they need .
It is a total rip off for the U.S. students IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am taking an off campus courses of a top American University graduate program here in Taiwan.
The exactly same text book sold here in Taiwan is about 1/5 the price of U.S. book store.
Our U.S. professor always come to Taiwan to buy the text book they need.
It is a total rip off for the U.S. students IMHO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587237</id>
	<title>Re: We Rent Movies, So Why Not Textbooks?</title>
	<author>Terrorwrist</author>
	<datestamp>1246819260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>We rent Textbooks, so why not the answers?

If I am going to take the final tests, I dont need the answers after I am done with the exam. Every exam should have a model or unique numbers, that I can just type into google and get the answers hhahaa.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We rent Textbooks , so why not the answers ?
If I am going to take the final tests , I dont need the answers after I am done with the exam .
Every exam should have a model or unique numbers , that I can just type into google and get the answers hhahaa .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We rent Textbooks, so why not the answers?
If I am going to take the final tests, I dont need the answers after I am done with the exam.
Every exam should have a model or unique numbers, that I can just type into google and get the answers hhahaa.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587073</id>
	<title>Re:Does this really save that much money?</title>
	<author>Jarik C-Bol</author>
	<datestamp>1246817640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>considering they rolled 10 million dollars last year, i don't think its crimping it much.</htmltext>
<tokenext>considering they rolled 10 million dollars last year , i do n't think its crimping it much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>considering they rolled 10 million dollars last year, i don't think its crimping it much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587815</id>
	<title>My University already does this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246824960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My University here in the U.S. already rents out textbooks. One downfall that I have noticed from this is that people do not take care of their textbooks when they are not paying for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My University here in the U.S. already rents out textbooks .
One downfall that I have noticed from this is that people do not take care of their textbooks when they are not paying for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My University here in the U.S. already rents out textbooks.
One downfall that I have noticed from this is that people do not take care of their textbooks when they are not paying for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588277</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>RickRussellTX</author>
	<datestamp>1246785360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field."</p></div></blockquote><p>You make a good point. One of the things I liked about my business school (I'll plug it a little: Webster University, based in St. Louis) was that all the instructors were current or retired managers and corporate officers, with years of experience in marketing, accounting, finance, leadership, etc. My Operations professor was an industrial process engineer for Hallmark. They were flying him cross-country California to Connecticut and back every two weeks because he was that important to Hallmark (which led to some confusing class scheduling, but it was worth it).</p><p>The books were just books; the people and the ideas made the degree worthwhile.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Most , but not all , instructors are teaching because they ca n't hack it in the real world of their chosen field .
" You make a good point .
One of the things I liked about my business school ( I 'll plug it a little : Webster University , based in St. Louis ) was that all the instructors were current or retired managers and corporate officers , with years of experience in marketing , accounting , finance , leadership , etc .
My Operations professor was an industrial process engineer for Hallmark .
They were flying him cross-country California to Connecticut and back every two weeks because he was that important to Hallmark ( which led to some confusing class scheduling , but it was worth it ) .The books were just books ; the people and the ideas made the degree worthwhile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field.
"You make a good point.
One of the things I liked about my business school (I'll plug it a little: Webster University, based in St. Louis) was that all the instructors were current or retired managers and corporate officers, with years of experience in marketing, accounting, finance, leadership, etc.
My Operations professor was an industrial process engineer for Hallmark.
They were flying him cross-country California to Connecticut and back every two weeks because he was that important to Hallmark (which led to some confusing class scheduling, but it was worth it).The books were just books; the people and the ideas made the degree worthwhile.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587213</id>
	<title>Re:In France you get book loaned or rented</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1246819080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't really understand the American textbook system.  Here in the UK, there are rarely any compulsory textbooks for any university lectures.  The lecturer will present the material you need to know, and if you pay attention you will pass.  If you want to do well, typically you are expected to read some things outside the lecture, but this can be from library books or other sources.  There are typically a few recommended books for each module, and reading any one of these will benefit you.  Lecturers provide lists of these books to the library, which ensure that there are half a dozen or so copies of each available.  </p><p>
There are some exceptions, especially in a subject like law, where certain books are viewed as indispensable resources and everyone is strongly encouraged to buy a copy and keep it as a reference for a large part of their professional career.  There are a few books in computer science like this, for example the big white algorithms book, or something like Hennessy and Patterson for the more hardware-oriented.  You won't be assessed on whether you've read these books, but if you have then you are likely to have a better grasp of the subject and do well in exams.</p><p>
It seems that in the USA it is common for lecturers to set 'read chapter X' or 'do the questions from chapter Y' as assignments.  This kind of thing doesn't happen here (except in things like literature courses, where you might be expected to prepare for a seminar on a given chapter of a specific book).  If the students are expected to answer questions, these will have been set by the lecturer, not taken (directly) from a book.  Occasionally they do come from books; in my first year Logic Programming module I discovered that the first coursework was to implement a worked example from a book I was reading.  When I admitted this to the lecturer, his attitude was that I deserved the marks anyway for bothering to read a book on the subject...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't really understand the American textbook system .
Here in the UK , there are rarely any compulsory textbooks for any university lectures .
The lecturer will present the material you need to know , and if you pay attention you will pass .
If you want to do well , typically you are expected to read some things outside the lecture , but this can be from library books or other sources .
There are typically a few recommended books for each module , and reading any one of these will benefit you .
Lecturers provide lists of these books to the library , which ensure that there are half a dozen or so copies of each available .
There are some exceptions , especially in a subject like law , where certain books are viewed as indispensable resources and everyone is strongly encouraged to buy a copy and keep it as a reference for a large part of their professional career .
There are a few books in computer science like this , for example the big white algorithms book , or something like Hennessy and Patterson for the more hardware-oriented .
You wo n't be assessed on whether you 've read these books , but if you have then you are likely to have a better grasp of the subject and do well in exams .
It seems that in the USA it is common for lecturers to set 'read chapter X ' or 'do the questions from chapter Y ' as assignments .
This kind of thing does n't happen here ( except in things like literature courses , where you might be expected to prepare for a seminar on a given chapter of a specific book ) .
If the students are expected to answer questions , these will have been set by the lecturer , not taken ( directly ) from a book .
Occasionally they do come from books ; in my first year Logic Programming module I discovered that the first coursework was to implement a worked example from a book I was reading .
When I admitted this to the lecturer , his attitude was that I deserved the marks anyway for bothering to read a book on the subject.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't really understand the American textbook system.
Here in the UK, there are rarely any compulsory textbooks for any university lectures.
The lecturer will present the material you need to know, and if you pay attention you will pass.
If you want to do well, typically you are expected to read some things outside the lecture, but this can be from library books or other sources.
There are typically a few recommended books for each module, and reading any one of these will benefit you.
Lecturers provide lists of these books to the library, which ensure that there are half a dozen or so copies of each available.
There are some exceptions, especially in a subject like law, where certain books are viewed as indispensable resources and everyone is strongly encouraged to buy a copy and keep it as a reference for a large part of their professional career.
There are a few books in computer science like this, for example the big white algorithms book, or something like Hennessy and Patterson for the more hardware-oriented.
You won't be assessed on whether you've read these books, but if you have then you are likely to have a better grasp of the subject and do well in exams.
It seems that in the USA it is common for lecturers to set 'read chapter X' or 'do the questions from chapter Y' as assignments.
This kind of thing doesn't happen here (except in things like literature courses, where you might be expected to prepare for a seminar on a given chapter of a specific book).
If the students are expected to answer questions, these will have been set by the lecturer, not taken (directly) from a book.
Occasionally they do come from books; in my first year Logic Programming module I discovered that the first coursework was to implement a worked example from a book I was reading.
When I admitted this to the lecturer, his attitude was that I deserved the marks anyway for bothering to read a book on the subject...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588253</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246785180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually this article sounds more like a slashvertisement</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually this article sounds more like a slashvertisement</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually this article sounds more like a slashvertisement</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586991</id>
	<title>Timeshared book rental</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246816740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the time, lectures cover all the material from the textbook, the text is mostly a fallback if the lecture's aren't clear.</p><p>The primary reason for having textbooks is that the assignments are based on text book chapters, if we could have a service which charges say a certain amount, maybe $0.10 per chapter question lookup and put that online, that would be much much more beneficial.</p><p>Bonus if they can also provide answers to the selected questions for (perhaps) a fee, that will cut down on google searches for solution sets. Now most of you are crying foul because of plagiarism, but face it if the student can't figure it out, they're doomed anyways, this is is more for the ambiguous questions where, "hey...I did it this way...but I'm not exactly certain they want it done this particular way", or "Gaaah!, This methods takes forever, is there a more slick way of doing this?"<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the time , lectures cover all the material from the textbook , the text is mostly a fallback if the lecture 's are n't clear.The primary reason for having textbooks is that the assignments are based on text book chapters , if we could have a service which charges say a certain amount , maybe $ 0.10 per chapter question lookup and put that online , that would be much much more beneficial.Bonus if they can also provide answers to the selected questions for ( perhaps ) a fee , that will cut down on google searches for solution sets .
Now most of you are crying foul because of plagiarism , but face it if the student ca n't figure it out , they 're doomed anyways , this is is more for the ambiguous questions where , " hey...I did it this way...but I 'm not exactly certain they want it done this particular way " , or " Gaaah ! , This methods takes forever , is there a more slick way of doing this ?
"  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the time, lectures cover all the material from the textbook, the text is mostly a fallback if the lecture's aren't clear.The primary reason for having textbooks is that the assignments are based on text book chapters, if we could have a service which charges say a certain amount, maybe $0.10 per chapter question lookup and put that online, that would be much much more beneficial.Bonus if they can also provide answers to the selected questions for (perhaps) a fee, that will cut down on google searches for solution sets.
Now most of you are crying foul because of plagiarism, but face it if the student can't figure it out, they're doomed anyways, this is is more for the ambiguous questions where, "hey...I did it this way...but I'm not exactly certain they want it done this particular way", or "Gaaah!, This methods takes forever, is there a more slick way of doing this?
"
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587157</id>
	<title>A personal anecdote</title>
	<author>macbeth66</author>
	<datestamp>1246818420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was in college, during the Cretaceous period, we shared textbooks within our study groups.  We then sold them to the next semester's students, if possible.  Pissed off many published professors and the school bookstore.</p><p>Of course, back then, they were fragile clay tablets.  Highlighting was a bitch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was in college , during the Cretaceous period , we shared textbooks within our study groups .
We then sold them to the next semester 's students , if possible .
Pissed off many published professors and the school bookstore.Of course , back then , they were fragile clay tablets .
Highlighting was a bitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was in college, during the Cretaceous period, we shared textbooks within our study groups.
We then sold them to the next semester's students, if possible.
Pissed off many published professors and the school bookstore.Of course, back then, they were fragile clay tablets.
Highlighting was a bitch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586849</id>
	<title>Arguably, we already do.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246815420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Given the following points:<br> <br>
1. Student pay ridiculous prices for half-useful photo-laden authoritative textbooks, only to sell them back to the publisher-run book resale cartels for 10\% of the price they paid.<br> <br>2. With the current trend of Big Copyright, <i>every</i> written work <i>must</i> have an owner/copyright holder. Therefore, you do not own the books you have copies of.<br> <br>I own my experience of the book, or the movie, and put forward that those experiences, being mine, grant me ownership of the work as my experience as much as the money I paid for the 400 pages of paper and ink.<br> <br>We will look back to the beginning of the 21st Century and laugh at this Information Prohibition. <br> <br>kulakovich</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given the following points : 1 .
Student pay ridiculous prices for half-useful photo-laden authoritative textbooks , only to sell them back to the publisher-run book resale cartels for 10 \ % of the price they paid .
2. With the current trend of Big Copyright , every written work must have an owner/copyright holder .
Therefore , you do not own the books you have copies of .
I own my experience of the book , or the movie , and put forward that those experiences , being mine , grant me ownership of the work as my experience as much as the money I paid for the 400 pages of paper and ink .
We will look back to the beginning of the 21st Century and laugh at this Information Prohibition .
kulakovich</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given the following points: 
1.
Student pay ridiculous prices for half-useful photo-laden authoritative textbooks, only to sell them back to the publisher-run book resale cartels for 10\% of the price they paid.
2. With the current trend of Big Copyright, every written work must have an owner/copyright holder.
Therefore, you do not own the books you have copies of.
I own my experience of the book, or the movie, and put forward that those experiences, being mine, grant me ownership of the work as my experience as much as the money I paid for the 400 pages of paper and ink.
We will look back to the beginning of the 21st Century and laugh at this Information Prohibition.
kulakovich</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28599175</id>
	<title>Re:Scam...</title>
	<author>matt20102</author>
	<datestamp>1246872660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah yes, I remember the factoids!  If I recall correctly, those were the little questions with a very simple answer that could not be answered by an understanding of the material alone but could be correctly answered if you happened to read the correct paragraph just before the instructor called "books under your desks!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah yes , I remember the factoids !
If I recall correctly , those were the little questions with a very simple answer that could not be answered by an understanding of the material alone but could be correctly answered if you happened to read the correct paragraph just before the instructor called " books under your desks !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah yes, I remember the factoids!
If I recall correctly, those were the little questions with a very simple answer that could not be answered by an understanding of the material alone but could be correctly answered if you happened to read the correct paragraph just before the instructor called "books under your desks!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587433</id>
	<title>Re:In France you get book loaned or rented</title>
	<author>the eric conspiracy</author>
	<datestamp>1246821120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the US the system works pretty much the same as you describe for France. The difference perhaps is that high school works the same as primary/secondary school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the US the system works pretty much the same as you describe for France .
The difference perhaps is that high school works the same as primary/secondary school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the US the system works pretty much the same as you describe for France.
The difference perhaps is that high school works the same as primary/secondary school.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587133</id>
	<title>Some Universities offer textbook rental</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246818180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I attended Eastern Illinois University, and I can't remember what the rate was, (I think around 200 bucks a semester) but you rented your books, and returned them at the end of the semester. This saved me a ton of money. If you did want the book, you had the option to purchase it at the end of the semester.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I attended Eastern Illinois University , and I ca n't remember what the rate was , ( I think around 200 bucks a semester ) but you rented your books , and returned them at the end of the semester .
This saved me a ton of money .
If you did want the book , you had the option to purchase it at the end of the semester .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I attended Eastern Illinois University, and I can't remember what the rate was, (I think around 200 bucks a semester) but you rented your books, and returned them at the end of the semester.
This saved me a ton of money.
If you did want the book, you had the option to purchase it at the end of the semester.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586825</id>
	<title>Editions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246815120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Editions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Editions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Editions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589801</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>hot soldering iron</author>
	<datestamp>1246801500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My, you should check to see if the publishing industry has any openings for shills.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; There are quite a few career fields where you aren't allowed to practice unless you have that little piece of paper from a college. And colleges are known to make it "mandatory" to buy texts, wither there are changes in the new edition or not. So, technically it's not "required", but practically you have a snowballs' chance in hell of getting into a professional career field without complying with the practice.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; How many "high quality" history texts need to be written (or "revised") to support the local administrations philosophies? Your argument seemingly boils down to: Their traditional business model needs to be protected. If they can figure out how to add value, then I'm sure their careers will be spared. Else, they'll hit the unemployment lines like the rest of us. What, in your not-so-humble-opinion makes them superior to economic pressures that everyone else is subject to? Hmmm?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My , you should check to see if the publishing industry has any openings for shills .
        There are quite a few career fields where you are n't allowed to practice unless you have that little piece of paper from a college .
And colleges are known to make it " mandatory " to buy texts , wither there are changes in the new edition or not .
So , technically it 's not " required " , but practically you have a snowballs ' chance in hell of getting into a professional career field without complying with the practice .
        How many " high quality " history texts need to be written ( or " revised " ) to support the local administrations philosophies ?
Your argument seemingly boils down to : Their traditional business model needs to be protected .
If they can figure out how to add value , then I 'm sure their careers will be spared .
Else , they 'll hit the unemployment lines like the rest of us .
What , in your not-so-humble-opinion makes them superior to economic pressures that everyone else is subject to ?
Hmmm ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My, you should check to see if the publishing industry has any openings for shills.
        There are quite a few career fields where you aren't allowed to practice unless you have that little piece of paper from a college.
And colleges are known to make it "mandatory" to buy texts, wither there are changes in the new edition or not.
So, technically it's not "required", but practically you have a snowballs' chance in hell of getting into a professional career field without complying with the practice.
        How many "high quality" history texts need to be written (or "revised") to support the local administrations philosophies?
Your argument seemingly boils down to: Their traditional business model needs to be protected.
If they can figure out how to add value, then I'm sure their careers will be spared.
Else, they'll hit the unemployment lines like the rest of us.
What, in your not-so-humble-opinion makes them superior to economic pressures that everyone else is subject to?
Hmmm?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587269</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246819560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; You shouldn't have posted AC, you were actually insightful.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; You did forget to mention when the instructor requires that you buy HIS book as required reading for the class, regardless of what ego-fluffing crap he had written.  Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field.  I've gotten this both from the instructors and from the idiots who are churned out of various universities who glow over their degree, but can't handle simple functions of their chosen profession.  How can you spend years studying something and not have a clue of what you're doing?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; For IT work, I'd hire someone who spent 2 years exploring their chosen field at home or at a lower level job and can explain topics in detail, rather than a graduate of a 4 year institution with their warm fuzzy diploma and no clue of how to really do the work.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Honestly, I've hired both, and found it to be more than abundantly true.  2 years of tech school, 4 years of university, or the guy who's installed every distro available just to see how they work?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The self-trained explorer at home turned out to be the best.  They'll be more willing to honestly tell me where their weaknesses are, so I can tutor them as problems happen, and they will learn.  For example, one guy told me, "Well, I don't know sendmail that well."  Fine.  It was a webhosting gig, but I generally managed the mail servers.  I'd send him notes on my changes, and he'd ask questions.  It wasn't long before I'd get notes in saying "I made this change, for this reason" to a primary mail server, and the changes would be correct.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The 2 year tech school grads came in with resumes listing all of our technologies, and telling me they knew their stuff.  It was all regular industry stuff.  We didn't reinvent the wheel, we simply used the existing technologies to their fullest.  I asked about Cisco, and they both said "I successfully passed the Cisco class, I know how to work our equipment".  Great.  I needed an IP and password set on a new switch, and installed in a DC.  I was going to make the rest of the changes before it was really used.   It sat on the bench for a week until the first told me "I don't know how."  {sigh}.  I gave it to the second, who did the same thing.  What?  If you aren't guided through it by an instructor, you have no clue of how to operate it?  It wasn't urgent, but it didn't need to sit idle on the bench for 2 weeks.  I never liked leaving equipment in the office, when it could be in the DC ready to use in a pinch.  They were trained to pass the tests, not how to practically operate anything.  They wasted 2 years of their lives, the tuition money, and two months of my office space.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I handed it off to a guy that said "Well, I never used it, but I'll try.".  It took him about an hour, but he did it right and asked me questions on preconfiguring ports for me.  Above and beyond.  I like that.  I didn't want the ports done, I had my own config to lay over it for that.  I just needed to be able to access it from the office.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Now, when I get to a position where I'm hiring again, my same rules will apply.  Great if you have a degree, but you'd better have the practical application of the required technology before I'll consider you.  So, a guy sitting at home for 2 years messing with it will always have preference over a guy who sat at a university for 4 years, unless the university guy can also show me that he's had a couple years of hands-on work with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>    You should n't have posted AC , you were actually insightful .
    You did forget to mention when the instructor requires that you buy HIS book as required reading for the class , regardless of what ego-fluffing crap he had written .
Most , but not all , instructors are teaching because they ca n't hack it in the real world of their chosen field .
I 've gotten this both from the instructors and from the idiots who are churned out of various universities who glow over their degree , but ca n't handle simple functions of their chosen profession .
How can you spend years studying something and not have a clue of what you 're doing ?
    For IT work , I 'd hire someone who spent 2 years exploring their chosen field at home or at a lower level job and can explain topics in detail , rather than a graduate of a 4 year institution with their warm fuzzy diploma and no clue of how to really do the work .
    Honestly , I 've hired both , and found it to be more than abundantly true .
2 years of tech school , 4 years of university , or the guy who 's installed every distro available just to see how they work ?
    The self-trained explorer at home turned out to be the best .
They 'll be more willing to honestly tell me where their weaknesses are , so I can tutor them as problems happen , and they will learn .
For example , one guy told me , " Well , I do n't know sendmail that well .
" Fine .
It was a webhosting gig , but I generally managed the mail servers .
I 'd send him notes on my changes , and he 'd ask questions .
It was n't long before I 'd get notes in saying " I made this change , for this reason " to a primary mail server , and the changes would be correct .
    The 2 year tech school grads came in with resumes listing all of our technologies , and telling me they knew their stuff .
It was all regular industry stuff .
We did n't reinvent the wheel , we simply used the existing technologies to their fullest .
I asked about Cisco , and they both said " I successfully passed the Cisco class , I know how to work our equipment " .
Great. I needed an IP and password set on a new switch , and installed in a DC .
I was going to make the rest of the changes before it was really used .
It sat on the bench for a week until the first told me " I do n't know how .
" { sigh } .
I gave it to the second , who did the same thing .
What ? If you are n't guided through it by an instructor , you have no clue of how to operate it ?
It was n't urgent , but it did n't need to sit idle on the bench for 2 weeks .
I never liked leaving equipment in the office , when it could be in the DC ready to use in a pinch .
They were trained to pass the tests , not how to practically operate anything .
They wasted 2 years of their lives , the tuition money , and two months of my office space .
    I handed it off to a guy that said " Well , I never used it , but I 'll try. " .
It took him about an hour , but he did it right and asked me questions on preconfiguring ports for me .
Above and beyond .
I like that .
I did n't want the ports done , I had my own config to lay over it for that .
I just needed to be able to access it from the office .
: )     Now , when I get to a position where I 'm hiring again , my same rules will apply .
Great if you have a degree , but you 'd better have the practical application of the required technology before I 'll consider you .
So , a guy sitting at home for 2 years messing with it will always have preference over a guy who sat at a university for 4 years , unless the university guy can also show me that he 's had a couple years of hands-on work with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
    You shouldn't have posted AC, you were actually insightful.
    You did forget to mention when the instructor requires that you buy HIS book as required reading for the class, regardless of what ego-fluffing crap he had written.
Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field.
I've gotten this both from the instructors and from the idiots who are churned out of various universities who glow over their degree, but can't handle simple functions of their chosen profession.
How can you spend years studying something and not have a clue of what you're doing?
    For IT work, I'd hire someone who spent 2 years exploring their chosen field at home or at a lower level job and can explain topics in detail, rather than a graduate of a 4 year institution with their warm fuzzy diploma and no clue of how to really do the work.
    Honestly, I've hired both, and found it to be more than abundantly true.
2 years of tech school, 4 years of university, or the guy who's installed every distro available just to see how they work?
    The self-trained explorer at home turned out to be the best.
They'll be more willing to honestly tell me where their weaknesses are, so I can tutor them as problems happen, and they will learn.
For example, one guy told me, "Well, I don't know sendmail that well.
"  Fine.
It was a webhosting gig, but I generally managed the mail servers.
I'd send him notes on my changes, and he'd ask questions.
It wasn't long before I'd get notes in saying "I made this change, for this reason" to a primary mail server, and the changes would be correct.
    The 2 year tech school grads came in with resumes listing all of our technologies, and telling me they knew their stuff.
It was all regular industry stuff.
We didn't reinvent the wheel, we simply used the existing technologies to their fullest.
I asked about Cisco, and they both said "I successfully passed the Cisco class, I know how to work our equipment".
Great.  I needed an IP and password set on a new switch, and installed in a DC.
I was going to make the rest of the changes before it was really used.
It sat on the bench for a week until the first told me "I don't know how.
"  {sigh}.
I gave it to the second, who did the same thing.
What?  If you aren't guided through it by an instructor, you have no clue of how to operate it?
It wasn't urgent, but it didn't need to sit idle on the bench for 2 weeks.
I never liked leaving equipment in the office, when it could be in the DC ready to use in a pinch.
They were trained to pass the tests, not how to practically operate anything.
They wasted 2 years of their lives, the tuition money, and two months of my office space.
    I handed it off to a guy that said "Well, I never used it, but I'll try.".
It took him about an hour, but he did it right and asked me questions on preconfiguring ports for me.
Above and beyond.
I like that.
I didn't want the ports done, I had my own config to lay over it for that.
I just needed to be able to access it from the office.
:)
    Now, when I get to a position where I'm hiring again, my same rules will apply.
Great if you have a degree, but you'd better have the practical application of the required technology before I'll consider you.
So, a guy sitting at home for 2 years messing with it will always have preference over a guy who sat at a university for 4 years, unless the university guy can also show me that he's had a couple years of hands-on work with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588929</id>
	<title>Re:PDF Books</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246791240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The big cost is not in the printing itself but in the editing end of things.  Typos are a lot less important in a fiction novel than a textbook, so the costs for editors are therefore higher.  Similarly, most people can read a novel and understand the content (Ulysses, etc not withstanding) where the average quantum physics or real analysis text would require both editing skill and some degree of comprehension of the material to do a good job editing.  Besides for most colleges, textbooks are in the $400-600/semester range compared to at least $4000-6000 for tuition for a public school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The big cost is not in the printing itself but in the editing end of things .
Typos are a lot less important in a fiction novel than a textbook , so the costs for editors are therefore higher .
Similarly , most people can read a novel and understand the content ( Ulysses , etc not withstanding ) where the average quantum physics or real analysis text would require both editing skill and some degree of comprehension of the material to do a good job editing .
Besides for most colleges , textbooks are in the $ 400-600/semester range compared to at least $ 4000-6000 for tuition for a public school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The big cost is not in the printing itself but in the editing end of things.
Typos are a lot less important in a fiction novel than a textbook, so the costs for editors are therefore higher.
Similarly, most people can read a novel and understand the content (Ulysses, etc not withstanding) where the average quantum physics or real analysis text would require both editing skill and some degree of comprehension of the material to do a good job editing.
Besides for most colleges, textbooks are in the $400-600/semester range compared to at least $4000-6000 for tuition for a public school.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28599105</id>
	<title>Re:Arguably, we already do.</title>
	<author>matt20102</author>
	<datestamp>1246872420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The going resale rate is generally 50\% of the new price; stores seem to sell used texts at about 75\% of the original price, meaning that a $100 new book sells for $75 used.  If you sell it back at the end of the semester, you get about $50, regardless of whether you bought it new or used.  If you can buy used books and sell them, they only cost you about 2/3 of the asking price.  Honestly, that's not too bad.<br> <br>
It ignores, of course, books that the college won't buy back, lab manuals (and other consumable texts), and required new editions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The going resale rate is generally 50 \ % of the new price ; stores seem to sell used texts at about 75 \ % of the original price , meaning that a $ 100 new book sells for $ 75 used .
If you sell it back at the end of the semester , you get about $ 50 , regardless of whether you bought it new or used .
If you can buy used books and sell them , they only cost you about 2/3 of the asking price .
Honestly , that 's not too bad .
It ignores , of course , books that the college wo n't buy back , lab manuals ( and other consumable texts ) , and required new editions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The going resale rate is generally 50\% of the new price; stores seem to sell used texts at about 75\% of the original price, meaning that a $100 new book sells for $75 used.
If you sell it back at the end of the semester, you get about $50, regardless of whether you bought it new or used.
If you can buy used books and sell them, they only cost you about 2/3 of the asking price.
Honestly, that's not too bad.
It ignores, of course, books that the college won't buy back, lab manuals (and other consumable texts), and required new editions.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586947</id>
	<title>In France you get book loaned or rented</title>
	<author>aepervius</author>
	<datestamp>1246816380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK France is 1/5 of the size of the US so maybe it cannot be compared, but I know only France as education system. In the primary/secondary we got the book loaned and had only to pay up a fine if we scribled it or worsened its state. From high school (lycee) and especially university there were old book sold from student to the previous. Some shop even speciliazed into doing that (Gibert Jeune for example in Paris is where I got my expensive QM books...). Only around 1 year out of 4 to 6 years we had to buy new one because change in the programs. But all in one it came relatively cheap. And in case you are asking, that was 25 years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK France is 1/5 of the size of the US so maybe it can not be compared , but I know only France as education system .
In the primary/secondary we got the book loaned and had only to pay up a fine if we scribled it or worsened its state .
From high school ( lycee ) and especially university there were old book sold from student to the previous .
Some shop even speciliazed into doing that ( Gibert Jeune for example in Paris is where I got my expensive QM books... ) .
Only around 1 year out of 4 to 6 years we had to buy new one because change in the programs .
But all in one it came relatively cheap .
And in case you are asking , that was 25 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK France is 1/5 of the size of the US so maybe it cannot be compared, but I know only France as education system.
In the primary/secondary we got the book loaned and had only to pay up a fine if we scribled it or worsened its state.
From high school (lycee) and especially university there were old book sold from student to the previous.
Some shop even speciliazed into doing that (Gibert Jeune for example in Paris is where I got my expensive QM books...).
Only around 1 year out of 4 to 6 years we had to buy new one because change in the programs.
But all in one it came relatively cheap.
And in case you are asking, that was 25 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587291</id>
	<title>It can be a hassle.</title>
	<author>jrhawk42</author>
	<datestamp>1246819740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Though I finished school a couple years ago getting books anywhere besides the two authorized campus book stores was a huge hassle.

First they were the only places that could find out what books are needed for classes.  Second they didn't include the ISBN numbers in the print out.  Third they wouldn't let you know what books were needed for what class until about a week before classes started.  So basically if you wanted to buy your books somewhere else you need to print out a sheet w/ all the books needed for your classes, find the books, and write in the ISBN numbers (or risk doing a title search), and then find them online, and hope your professor doesn't require the book for the first couple of weeks.

One time I had a professor tell us to return our books to the bookstore, and buy them somewhere else.  Also he said don't tell anyone this because he got into trouble w/ the university last semester since they run one of the bookstores.

I don't know how many schools run their bookstores like this but I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of colleges do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Though I finished school a couple years ago getting books anywhere besides the two authorized campus book stores was a huge hassle .
First they were the only places that could find out what books are needed for classes .
Second they did n't include the ISBN numbers in the print out .
Third they would n't let you know what books were needed for what class until about a week before classes started .
So basically if you wanted to buy your books somewhere else you need to print out a sheet w/ all the books needed for your classes , find the books , and write in the ISBN numbers ( or risk doing a title search ) , and then find them online , and hope your professor does n't require the book for the first couple of weeks .
One time I had a professor tell us to return our books to the bookstore , and buy them somewhere else .
Also he said do n't tell anyone this because he got into trouble w/ the university last semester since they run one of the bookstores .
I do n't know how many schools run their bookstores like this but I would n't be surprised if a majority of colleges do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Though I finished school a couple years ago getting books anywhere besides the two authorized campus book stores was a huge hassle.
First they were the only places that could find out what books are needed for classes.
Second they didn't include the ISBN numbers in the print out.
Third they wouldn't let you know what books were needed for what class until about a week before classes started.
So basically if you wanted to buy your books somewhere else you need to print out a sheet w/ all the books needed for your classes, find the books, and write in the ISBN numbers (or risk doing a title search), and then find them online, and hope your professor doesn't require the book for the first couple of weeks.
One time I had a professor tell us to return our books to the bookstore, and buy them somewhere else.
Also he said don't tell anyone this because he got into trouble w/ the university last semester since they run one of the bookstores.
I don't know how many schools run their bookstores like this but I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of colleges do.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Some colleges are renting textbooks as well.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246819320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The local Community College is experimenting with renting textbooks. The departments have to agree to use that edition for 3 years, which, I suppose, is why two of the three books are custom texts so the edition won't change. It's actually cheaper to buy a used text and sell it back to the store, but it's a cheaper up front cost for the rental. So far it seems to be working out ok, but it's only been running one semester.</p><p>The big scam to me isn't the textbooks, it's the online access codes that you have to buy for some classes. No way you can keep or sell back those!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The local Community College is experimenting with renting textbooks .
The departments have to agree to use that edition for 3 years , which , I suppose , is why two of the three books are custom texts so the edition wo n't change .
It 's actually cheaper to buy a used text and sell it back to the store , but it 's a cheaper up front cost for the rental .
So far it seems to be working out ok , but it 's only been running one semester.The big scam to me is n't the textbooks , it 's the online access codes that you have to buy for some classes .
No way you can keep or sell back those !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The local Community College is experimenting with renting textbooks.
The departments have to agree to use that edition for 3 years, which, I suppose, is why two of the three books are custom texts so the edition won't change.
It's actually cheaper to buy a used text and sell it back to the store, but it's a cheaper up front cost for the rental.
So far it seems to be working out ok, but it's only been running one semester.The big scam to me isn't the textbooks, it's the online access codes that you have to buy for some classes.
No way you can keep or sell back those!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28595179</id>
	<title>The Right to Read</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246898700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For Dan Halbert, the road to Tycho began in college--when Lissa Lenz asked to borrow his computer. Hers had broken down, and unless she could borrow another, she would fail her midterm project. There was no one she dared ask, except Dan.</p><p>This put Dan in a dilemma. He had to help her--but if he lent her his computer, she might read his books. Aside from the fact that you could go to prison for many years for letting someone else read your books, the very idea shocked him at first. Like everyone, he had been taught since elementary school that sharing books was nasty and wrong--something that only pirates would do.</p><p>And there wasn't much chance that the SPA--the Software Protection Authority--would fail to catch him. In his software class, Dan had learned that each book had a copyright monitor that reported when and where it was read, and by whom, to Central Licensing. (They used this information to catch reading pirates, but also to sell personal interest profiles to retailers.) The next time his computer was networked, Central Licensing would find out. He, as computer owner, would receive the harshest punishment--for not taking pains to prevent the crime.</p><p>Of course, Lissa did not necessarily intend to read his books. She might want the computer only to write her midterm. But Dan knew she came from a middle-class family and could hardly afford the tuition, let alone her reading fees. Reading his books might be the only way she could graduate. He understood this situation; he himself had had to borrow to pay for all the research papers he read. (10\% of those fees went to the researchers who wrote the papers; since Dan aimed for an academic career, he could hope that his own research papers, if frequently referenced, would bring in enough to repay this loan.)</p><p>Later on, Dan would learn there was a time when anyone could go to the library and read journal articles, and even books, without having to pay. There were independent scholars who read thousands of pages without government library grants. But in the 1990s, both commercial and nonprofit journal publishers had begun charging fees for access. By 2047, libraries offering free public access to scholarly literature were a dim memory.</p><p>There were ways, of course, to get around the SPA and Central Licensing. They were themselves illegal. Dan had had a classmate in software, Frank Martucci, who had obtained an illicit debugging tool, and used it to skip over the copyright monitor code when reading books. But he had told too many friends about it, and one of them turned him in to the SPA for a reward (students deep in debt were easily tempted into betrayal). In 2047, Frank was in prison, not for pirate reading, but for possessing a debugger.</p><p>Dan would later learn that there was a time when anyone could have debugging tools. There were even free debugging tools available on CD or downloadable over the net. But ordinary users started using them to bypass copyright monitors, and eventually a judge ruled that this had become their principal use in actual practice. This meant they were illegal; the debuggers' developers were sent to prison.</p><p>Programmers still needed debugging tools, of course, but debugger vendors in 2047 distributed numbered copies only, and only to officially licensed and bonded programmers. The debugger Dan used in software class was kept behind a special firewall so that it could be used only for class exercises.</p><p>It was also possible to bypass the copyright monitors by installing a modified system kernel. Dan would eventually find out about the free kernels, even entire free operating systems, that had existed around the turn of the century. But not only were they illegal, like debuggers--you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password. And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that.</p><p>Dan concluded that he couldn't simply lend Lissa his computer. But he couldn't refuse to help her, because he loved her. Every chance to speak with her filled him with deligh</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For Dan Halbert , the road to Tycho began in college--when Lissa Lenz asked to borrow his computer .
Hers had broken down , and unless she could borrow another , she would fail her midterm project .
There was no one she dared ask , except Dan.This put Dan in a dilemma .
He had to help her--but if he lent her his computer , she might read his books .
Aside from the fact that you could go to prison for many years for letting someone else read your books , the very idea shocked him at first .
Like everyone , he had been taught since elementary school that sharing books was nasty and wrong--something that only pirates would do.And there was n't much chance that the SPA--the Software Protection Authority--would fail to catch him .
In his software class , Dan had learned that each book had a copyright monitor that reported when and where it was read , and by whom , to Central Licensing .
( They used this information to catch reading pirates , but also to sell personal interest profiles to retailers .
) The next time his computer was networked , Central Licensing would find out .
He , as computer owner , would receive the harshest punishment--for not taking pains to prevent the crime.Of course , Lissa did not necessarily intend to read his books .
She might want the computer only to write her midterm .
But Dan knew she came from a middle-class family and could hardly afford the tuition , let alone her reading fees .
Reading his books might be the only way she could graduate .
He understood this situation ; he himself had had to borrow to pay for all the research papers he read .
( 10 \ % of those fees went to the researchers who wrote the papers ; since Dan aimed for an academic career , he could hope that his own research papers , if frequently referenced , would bring in enough to repay this loan .
) Later on , Dan would learn there was a time when anyone could go to the library and read journal articles , and even books , without having to pay .
There were independent scholars who read thousands of pages without government library grants .
But in the 1990s , both commercial and nonprofit journal publishers had begun charging fees for access .
By 2047 , libraries offering free public access to scholarly literature were a dim memory.There were ways , of course , to get around the SPA and Central Licensing .
They were themselves illegal .
Dan had had a classmate in software , Frank Martucci , who had obtained an illicit debugging tool , and used it to skip over the copyright monitor code when reading books .
But he had told too many friends about it , and one of them turned him in to the SPA for a reward ( students deep in debt were easily tempted into betrayal ) .
In 2047 , Frank was in prison , not for pirate reading , but for possessing a debugger.Dan would later learn that there was a time when anyone could have debugging tools .
There were even free debugging tools available on CD or downloadable over the net .
But ordinary users started using them to bypass copyright monitors , and eventually a judge ruled that this had become their principal use in actual practice .
This meant they were illegal ; the debuggers ' developers were sent to prison.Programmers still needed debugging tools , of course , but debugger vendors in 2047 distributed numbered copies only , and only to officially licensed and bonded programmers .
The debugger Dan used in software class was kept behind a special firewall so that it could be used only for class exercises.It was also possible to bypass the copyright monitors by installing a modified system kernel .
Dan would eventually find out about the free kernels , even entire free operating systems , that had existed around the turn of the century .
But not only were they illegal , like debuggers--you could not install one if you had one , without knowing your computer 's root password .
And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that.Dan concluded that he could n't simply lend Lissa his computer .
But he could n't refuse to help her , because he loved her .
Every chance to speak with her filled him with deligh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For Dan Halbert, the road to Tycho began in college--when Lissa Lenz asked to borrow his computer.
Hers had broken down, and unless she could borrow another, she would fail her midterm project.
There was no one she dared ask, except Dan.This put Dan in a dilemma.
He had to help her--but if he lent her his computer, she might read his books.
Aside from the fact that you could go to prison for many years for letting someone else read your books, the very idea shocked him at first.
Like everyone, he had been taught since elementary school that sharing books was nasty and wrong--something that only pirates would do.And there wasn't much chance that the SPA--the Software Protection Authority--would fail to catch him.
In his software class, Dan had learned that each book had a copyright monitor that reported when and where it was read, and by whom, to Central Licensing.
(They used this information to catch reading pirates, but also to sell personal interest profiles to retailers.
) The next time his computer was networked, Central Licensing would find out.
He, as computer owner, would receive the harshest punishment--for not taking pains to prevent the crime.Of course, Lissa did not necessarily intend to read his books.
She might want the computer only to write her midterm.
But Dan knew she came from a middle-class family and could hardly afford the tuition, let alone her reading fees.
Reading his books might be the only way she could graduate.
He understood this situation; he himself had had to borrow to pay for all the research papers he read.
(10\% of those fees went to the researchers who wrote the papers; since Dan aimed for an academic career, he could hope that his own research papers, if frequently referenced, would bring in enough to repay this loan.
)Later on, Dan would learn there was a time when anyone could go to the library and read journal articles, and even books, without having to pay.
There were independent scholars who read thousands of pages without government library grants.
But in the 1990s, both commercial and nonprofit journal publishers had begun charging fees for access.
By 2047, libraries offering free public access to scholarly literature were a dim memory.There were ways, of course, to get around the SPA and Central Licensing.
They were themselves illegal.
Dan had had a classmate in software, Frank Martucci, who had obtained an illicit debugging tool, and used it to skip over the copyright monitor code when reading books.
But he had told too many friends about it, and one of them turned him in to the SPA for a reward (students deep in debt were easily tempted into betrayal).
In 2047, Frank was in prison, not for pirate reading, but for possessing a debugger.Dan would later learn that there was a time when anyone could have debugging tools.
There were even free debugging tools available on CD or downloadable over the net.
But ordinary users started using them to bypass copyright monitors, and eventually a judge ruled that this had become their principal use in actual practice.
This meant they were illegal; the debuggers' developers were sent to prison.Programmers still needed debugging tools, of course, but debugger vendors in 2047 distributed numbered copies only, and only to officially licensed and bonded programmers.
The debugger Dan used in software class was kept behind a special firewall so that it could be used only for class exercises.It was also possible to bypass the copyright monitors by installing a modified system kernel.
Dan would eventually find out about the free kernels, even entire free operating systems, that had existed around the turn of the century.
But not only were they illegal, like debuggers--you could not install one if you had one, without knowing your computer's root password.
And neither the FBI nor Microsoft Support would tell you that.Dan concluded that he couldn't simply lend Lissa his computer.
But he couldn't refuse to help her, because he loved her.
Every chance to speak with her filled him with deligh</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589627</id>
	<title>Re:Their costs are your costs.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246799520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the problem is not charging too much for the books its how they charge you for them.  if your value of the book is defined by what you learn from it then it should be selling many times more than what they currently charge for them.  if you consider the publishers value to be the cost of writing, printing and distributing the book the price should be much lower.  so since you value the book much less than it is being sold for and the publisher is selling it for more than they value it for more people should be entering the market to drive the price down.  however where the problem lies is the value to you.  if i went to buy my text books for next semester today the cost would be competing with the cost of food so i could eat while the immediate benefit of having a book tonight is carrying it home as dead weight, not really benefit but stick with me.  now once the semester is over the book has helped me learn and possibly saved my ass when i could not get friends or other help studying the night before a test.  it would allow me to advance to the next semester and level of classes.  if i had not gotten that book i may never complete college and for my personal degree that means a decent amount of lifetime income.  so here we get to the real problem the cost is immediate and the benefit is long, term humans are much better at justifying in the short term gains over long term losses you can in fact as we often think make up the slack later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the problem is not charging too much for the books its how they charge you for them .
if your value of the book is defined by what you learn from it then it should be selling many times more than what they currently charge for them .
if you consider the publishers value to be the cost of writing , printing and distributing the book the price should be much lower .
so since you value the book much less than it is being sold for and the publisher is selling it for more than they value it for more people should be entering the market to drive the price down .
however where the problem lies is the value to you .
if i went to buy my text books for next semester today the cost would be competing with the cost of food so i could eat while the immediate benefit of having a book tonight is carrying it home as dead weight , not really benefit but stick with me .
now once the semester is over the book has helped me learn and possibly saved my ass when i could not get friends or other help studying the night before a test .
it would allow me to advance to the next semester and level of classes .
if i had not gotten that book i may never complete college and for my personal degree that means a decent amount of lifetime income .
so here we get to the real problem the cost is immediate and the benefit is long , term humans are much better at justifying in the short term gains over long term losses you can in fact as we often think make up the slack later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the problem is not charging too much for the books its how they charge you for them.
if your value of the book is defined by what you learn from it then it should be selling many times more than what they currently charge for them.
if you consider the publishers value to be the cost of writing, printing and distributing the book the price should be much lower.
so since you value the book much less than it is being sold for and the publisher is selling it for more than they value it for more people should be entering the market to drive the price down.
however where the problem lies is the value to you.
if i went to buy my text books for next semester today the cost would be competing with the cost of food so i could eat while the immediate benefit of having a book tonight is carrying it home as dead weight, not really benefit but stick with me.
now once the semester is over the book has helped me learn and possibly saved my ass when i could not get friends or other help studying the night before a test.
it would allow me to advance to the next semester and level of classes.
if i had not gotten that book i may never complete college and for my personal degree that means a decent amount of lifetime income.
so here we get to the real problem the cost is immediate and the benefit is long, term humans are much better at justifying in the short term gains over long term losses you can in fact as we often think make up the slack later.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588427</id>
	<title>Universities do have some mercy</title>
	<author>nickkrym</author>
	<datestamp>1246786440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From my personal experience (I study in Amsterdam), it seems the problem is not as bad here as it is in the US.

Many of my classes use books that are a few years old allowing me to find second hand text books at much lower prices. On the other hand, there are a number of classes that do require you to buy the books new (or if I can't find it in the secondary market), and it pains me to pay ridiculously high prices for them.

As others have mentioned, the changes between editions seem to be trivial at best, and with the extent of consumer protection in Europe, I'm surprised the publishers have not been prohibited from doing this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From my personal experience ( I study in Amsterdam ) , it seems the problem is not as bad here as it is in the US .
Many of my classes use books that are a few years old allowing me to find second hand text books at much lower prices .
On the other hand , there are a number of classes that do require you to buy the books new ( or if I ca n't find it in the secondary market ) , and it pains me to pay ridiculously high prices for them .
As others have mentioned , the changes between editions seem to be trivial at best , and with the extent of consumer protection in Europe , I 'm surprised the publishers have not been prohibited from doing this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From my personal experience (I study in Amsterdam), it seems the problem is not as bad here as it is in the US.
Many of my classes use books that are a few years old allowing me to find second hand text books at much lower prices.
On the other hand, there are a number of classes that do require you to buy the books new (or if I can't find it in the secondary market), and it pains me to pay ridiculously high prices for them.
As others have mentioned, the changes between editions seem to be trivial at best, and with the extent of consumer protection in Europe, I'm surprised the publishers have not been prohibited from doing this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586937</id>
	<title>Re:Does this really save that much money?</title>
	<author>Swizec</author>
	<datestamp>1246816260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&lt;quote&gt;In all reality, how is this all that different from a student buying a textbook at the start of a semester and selling it back at the end?  I also think that the endless cycle of "new" editions of the book can put a crimp in the plans for this service, since schools will require the latest edition of a book, which will be impossible for this company to find cheaply online, meaning that they'll need to price to rental to pay for the full cost of the book in just a few semesters (before the new one comes out).<br><br>Interesting idea, but I'm skeptical as to how well they can keep costs low enough to be a truly economical alternative to buying.&lt;/quote&gt;<br><br>Schools do this by changing the curriculum, or by shuffling it around. So what is now being thought in the first semester, will be taught in the second semester in a few years, or even in a different school year depending on how the textbooks change. I've seen it happen a million times. Sure you could still technically use the old edition, but you won't be able to follow the curriculum, the examples will be different, the ordering will be confusing etc. Essentially they become useful for only practice at home.<br><br>At universities, however, it's different. There such things are much more difficult to do since classes usually have a semester of time to teach everything they want to teach, so even a ten year old textbook will be sufficient. Classes and curriculum in general is also much less tied to the textbook and much more to the actual content. In fact, most professors at the beginning of a semester will give you a list of books where the stuff is explained in more or less detail. You have a choice of studying from them or not, nobody cares because there is no Official Textbooks, there are just books on the subject.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In all reality , how is this all that different from a student buying a textbook at the start of a semester and selling it back at the end ?
I also think that the endless cycle of " new " editions of the book can put a crimp in the plans for this service , since schools will require the latest edition of a book , which will be impossible for this company to find cheaply online , meaning that they 'll need to price to rental to pay for the full cost of the book in just a few semesters ( before the new one comes out ) .Interesting idea , but I 'm skeptical as to how well they can keep costs low enough to be a truly economical alternative to buying.Schools do this by changing the curriculum , or by shuffling it around .
So what is now being thought in the first semester , will be taught in the second semester in a few years , or even in a different school year depending on how the textbooks change .
I 've seen it happen a million times .
Sure you could still technically use the old edition , but you wo n't be able to follow the curriculum , the examples will be different , the ordering will be confusing etc .
Essentially they become useful for only practice at home.At universities , however , it 's different .
There such things are much more difficult to do since classes usually have a semester of time to teach everything they want to teach , so even a ten year old textbook will be sufficient .
Classes and curriculum in general is also much less tied to the textbook and much more to the actual content .
In fact , most professors at the beginning of a semester will give you a list of books where the stuff is explained in more or less detail .
You have a choice of studying from them or not , nobody cares because there is no Official Textbooks , there are just books on the subject .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all reality, how is this all that different from a student buying a textbook at the start of a semester and selling it back at the end?
I also think that the endless cycle of "new" editions of the book can put a crimp in the plans for this service, since schools will require the latest edition of a book, which will be impossible for this company to find cheaply online, meaning that they'll need to price to rental to pay for the full cost of the book in just a few semesters (before the new one comes out).Interesting idea, but I'm skeptical as to how well they can keep costs low enough to be a truly economical alternative to buying.Schools do this by changing the curriculum, or by shuffling it around.
So what is now being thought in the first semester, will be taught in the second semester in a few years, or even in a different school year depending on how the textbooks change.
I've seen it happen a million times.
Sure you could still technically use the old edition, but you won't be able to follow the curriculum, the examples will be different, the ordering will be confusing etc.
Essentially they become useful for only practice at home.At universities, however, it's different.
There such things are much more difficult to do since classes usually have a semester of time to teach everything they want to teach, so even a ten year old textbook will be sufficient.
Classes and curriculum in general is also much less tied to the textbook and much more to the actual content.
In fact, most professors at the beginning of a semester will give you a list of books where the stuff is explained in more or less detail.
You have a choice of studying from them or not, nobody cares because there is no Official Textbooks, there are just books on the subject.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587009</id>
	<title>2nd Hand book stores</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246816980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>2nd hand book stores are common in poorer countries.  At the university I attended, most students bought and sold their books at 2nd hand stores.

It may be a new concept in the (formerly) rich USA...</htmltext>
<tokenext>2nd hand book stores are common in poorer countries .
At the university I attended , most students bought and sold their books at 2nd hand stores .
It may be a new concept in the ( formerly ) rich USA.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2nd hand book stores are common in poorer countries.
At the university I attended, most students bought and sold their books at 2nd hand stores.
It may be a new concept in the (formerly) rich USA...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587587</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Naturalis Philosopho</author>
	<datestamp>1246822680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>open-source textbook market where academia would be free to create and modify textbooks. These textbooks would cost nothing.</p></div> </blockquote><p> This is one of those few times when the mod system has failed. We already have a free, open source, modifiable text for every topic. It's called Wikipedia and it's the living embodiment of why we have professional, accountable, paid editors for text books. Editions can be viewed as a scam, or they can be viewed as the one tool professional publishers have to continue to generate money to pay for more quality products. If it was mandatory to go to college and buy texts I might be a bit more sympathetic, but its ones own choice to participate in the system. I really think that this is one of those cases where if you think that you can do it better, then put up or, well, you know...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>open-source textbook market where academia would be free to create and modify textbooks .
These textbooks would cost nothing .
This is one of those few times when the mod system has failed .
We already have a free , open source , modifiable text for every topic .
It 's called Wikipedia and it 's the living embodiment of why we have professional , accountable , paid editors for text books .
Editions can be viewed as a scam , or they can be viewed as the one tool professional publishers have to continue to generate money to pay for more quality products .
If it was mandatory to go to college and buy texts I might be a bit more sympathetic , but its ones own choice to participate in the system .
I really think that this is one of those cases where if you think that you can do it better , then put up or , well , you know.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>open-source textbook market where academia would be free to create and modify textbooks.
These textbooks would cost nothing.
This is one of those few times when the mod system has failed.
We already have a free, open source, modifiable text for every topic.
It's called Wikipedia and it's the living embodiment of why we have professional, accountable, paid editors for text books.
Editions can be viewed as a scam, or they can be viewed as the one tool professional publishers have to continue to generate money to pay for more quality products.
If it was mandatory to go to college and buy texts I might be a bit more sympathetic, but its ones own choice to participate in the system.
I really think that this is one of those cases where if you think that you can do it better, then put up or, well, you know...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28593705</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>elnyka</author>
	<datestamp>1246890780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I won't deny that I've seen the same type of clueless professors, but that has been the exception rather than the norm. Your personal anecdotes are not representative of academia or the IT/software industry as a whole.<p>

The technology we are using right now to exchange posts, that's been the work (for the most part) of those PhD people you like to generalize about. Let me know when you find the next guy with a 2-year tech degree who invents a new algorithm or networking/programming paradigm<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wo n't deny that I 've seen the same type of clueless professors , but that has been the exception rather than the norm .
Your personal anecdotes are not representative of academia or the IT/software industry as a whole .
The technology we are using right now to exchange posts , that 's been the work ( for the most part ) of those PhD people you like to generalize about .
Let me know when you find the next guy with a 2-year tech degree who invents a new algorithm or networking/programming paradigm ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I won't deny that I've seen the same type of clueless professors, but that has been the exception rather than the norm.
Your personal anecdotes are not representative of academia or the IT/software industry as a whole.
The technology we are using right now to exchange posts, that's been the work (for the most part) of those PhD people you like to generalize about.
Let me know when you find the next guy with a 2-year tech degree who invents a new algorithm or networking/programming paradigm ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589853</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1246802100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field.</i></p><p>I don't buy this for a second, especially not for science &amp; engineering professors. First, have you looked at how hard it is to get a professorship somewhere recently? It's almost certainly a lot more competitive than your typical industry job. Second, you don't put yourself through a Ph.D. program unless you want to do research (or perhaps if you want to teach at a non-research institution), so most professors are in it because they want to <i>research</i>.</p><p>About the most you can say is (1) they are in a university because they can't cut it in an industry research lab (but that's not saying much, at least in CS, because the industry research labs are also very good and competitive), and/or (2) they are in a job that doesn't have a particular industry counterpart (outside of research labs), like theory people or pure math profs, or perhaps profs in liberal arts. (I don't know what, if anything, is available for, say, an English PhD outside of a professorship.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most , but not all , instructors are teaching because they ca n't hack it in the real world of their chosen field.I do n't buy this for a second , especially not for science &amp; engineering professors .
First , have you looked at how hard it is to get a professorship somewhere recently ?
It 's almost certainly a lot more competitive than your typical industry job .
Second , you do n't put yourself through a Ph.D. program unless you want to do research ( or perhaps if you want to teach at a non-research institution ) , so most professors are in it because they want to research.About the most you can say is ( 1 ) they are in a university because they ca n't cut it in an industry research lab ( but that 's not saying much , at least in CS , because the industry research labs are also very good and competitive ) , and/or ( 2 ) they are in a job that does n't have a particular industry counterpart ( outside of research labs ) , like theory people or pure math profs , or perhaps profs in liberal arts .
( I do n't know what , if anything , is available for , say , an English PhD outside of a professorship .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field.I don't buy this for a second, especially not for science &amp; engineering professors.
First, have you looked at how hard it is to get a professorship somewhere recently?
It's almost certainly a lot more competitive than your typical industry job.
Second, you don't put yourself through a Ph.D. program unless you want to do research (or perhaps if you want to teach at a non-research institution), so most professors are in it because they want to research.About the most you can say is (1) they are in a university because they can't cut it in an industry research lab (but that's not saying much, at least in CS, because the industry research labs are also very good and competitive), and/or (2) they are in a job that doesn't have a particular industry counterpart (outside of research labs), like theory people or pure math profs, or perhaps profs in liberal arts.
(I don't know what, if anything, is available for, say, an English PhD outside of a professorship.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587207</id>
	<title>Re:In France you get book loaned or rented</title>
	<author>Packet Pusher</author>
	<datestamp>1246819020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just for Fun, some numbers from Wikipedia</p><p>France 260,558 sq mi<br>US 3,794,066 sq mi</p><p>1/14th size of the US in square miles</p><p>US GDP 14,264,600<br>France 2,865,737</p><p>1/5th size of US in GDP</p><p>US population 298,213,000<br>France population 60,496,000</p><p>1/5th the size of US in population</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just for Fun , some numbers from WikipediaFrance 260,558 sq miUS 3,794,066 sq mi1/14th size of the US in square milesUS GDP 14,264,600France 2,865,7371/5th size of US in GDPUS population 298,213,000France population 60,496,0001/5th the size of US in population</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just for Fun, some numbers from WikipediaFrance 260,558 sq miUS 3,794,066 sq mi1/14th size of the US in square milesUS GDP 14,264,600France 2,865,7371/5th size of US in GDPUS population 298,213,000France population 60,496,0001/5th the size of US in population</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589389</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>cervo</author>
	<datestamp>1246796820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But the reality is that this "well I've never done it before but I'll try" is not a function of the degree, it is a function of the person.<br> <br>
Also regardless of what you say, many companies screen out resumes of anyone who does not possess a 4 year college degree.  So I would say get the degree for nothing else other than to stop HR from throwing out the resume.<br> <br>
Get a Masters degree if you want to learn about computer science.  A bachelors degree is more than enough for most jobs and the research jobs often require a doctorate.  A masters degree may help you initially because employers often count it as 5 years experience (once you get a year of work experience, prior to that a masters and no experience is not that different from a bachelors and no experience).<br> <br>
But anyway you get people with doctorates who don't want to explore or try to do things too.  I have noticed some PhD people who are way below even my level of things who can't keep up with me in a conversation about computer stuff or who take a few minutes to grasp a question I raise.  I have also noticed some people who don't even have bachelor degrees who can program in their sleep better than me.  It really depends on the person.<br> <br>
Probably the best test you could do is invent some fictitious piece of hardware (or for a programming job invent some programming problem in an antiquated language) and have them configure it.  If the test is something that no one can know (but it has to be reasonable...I'm not going to spend a 40 hour work week unpaid [or even a 10 hour work week] without a job) then they will have to be a go getter and try to figure it out on their own.  I would say even if they don't succeed but put forth a reasonable effort then it is probably worth hiring them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the reality is that this " well I 've never done it before but I 'll try " is not a function of the degree , it is a function of the person .
Also regardless of what you say , many companies screen out resumes of anyone who does not possess a 4 year college degree .
So I would say get the degree for nothing else other than to stop HR from throwing out the resume .
Get a Masters degree if you want to learn about computer science .
A bachelors degree is more than enough for most jobs and the research jobs often require a doctorate .
A masters degree may help you initially because employers often count it as 5 years experience ( once you get a year of work experience , prior to that a masters and no experience is not that different from a bachelors and no experience ) .
But anyway you get people with doctorates who do n't want to explore or try to do things too .
I have noticed some PhD people who are way below even my level of things who ca n't keep up with me in a conversation about computer stuff or who take a few minutes to grasp a question I raise .
I have also noticed some people who do n't even have bachelor degrees who can program in their sleep better than me .
It really depends on the person .
Probably the best test you could do is invent some fictitious piece of hardware ( or for a programming job invent some programming problem in an antiquated language ) and have them configure it .
If the test is something that no one can know ( but it has to be reasonable...I 'm not going to spend a 40 hour work week unpaid [ or even a 10 hour work week ] without a job ) then they will have to be a go getter and try to figure it out on their own .
I would say even if they do n't succeed but put forth a reasonable effort then it is probably worth hiring them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the reality is that this "well I've never done it before but I'll try" is not a function of the degree, it is a function of the person.
Also regardless of what you say, many companies screen out resumes of anyone who does not possess a 4 year college degree.
So I would say get the degree for nothing else other than to stop HR from throwing out the resume.
Get a Masters degree if you want to learn about computer science.
A bachelors degree is more than enough for most jobs and the research jobs often require a doctorate.
A masters degree may help you initially because employers often count it as 5 years experience (once you get a year of work experience, prior to that a masters and no experience is not that different from a bachelors and no experience).
But anyway you get people with doctorates who don't want to explore or try to do things too.
I have noticed some PhD people who are way below even my level of things who can't keep up with me in a conversation about computer stuff or who take a few minutes to grasp a question I raise.
I have also noticed some people who don't even have bachelor degrees who can program in their sleep better than me.
It really depends on the person.
Probably the best test you could do is invent some fictitious piece of hardware (or for a programming job invent some programming problem in an antiquated language) and have them configure it.
If the test is something that no one can know (but it has to be reasonable...I'm not going to spend a 40 hour work week unpaid [or even a 10 hour work week] without a job) then they will have to be a go getter and try to figure it out on their own.
I would say even if they don't succeed but put forth a reasonable effort then it is probably worth hiring them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587563</id>
	<title>Re:Does this really save that much money?</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1246822380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because you buy it for $80 and sell it back for $5? It may as well be a rental, without all the hassle of trying to sell it back.
<br>Of course, in my dorm we'd just resell the books to other folks who were going to need them next semester. Buy for $80 new and resell to them for, say, $40. They get a good deal, and so did we.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because you buy it for $ 80 and sell it back for $ 5 ?
It may as well be a rental , without all the hassle of trying to sell it back .
Of course , in my dorm we 'd just resell the books to other folks who were going to need them next semester .
Buy for $ 80 new and resell to them for , say , $ 40 .
They get a good deal , and so did we .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because you buy it for $80 and sell it back for $5?
It may as well be a rental, without all the hassle of trying to sell it back.
Of course, in my dorm we'd just resell the books to other folks who were going to need them next semester.
Buy for $80 new and resell to them for, say, $40.
They get a good deal, and so did we.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587211</id>
	<title>Copyright issues</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246819020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe there are copyright issues. As with movies, don't you need a special performance copy/license in order to rent it out? I'd imagine the same goes with books.</p><p>There is a difference between reselling a book, and renting it out. However, what harm would there be, if a student simply were to lend out a book, free of charge? Other than by the time it wears out, it's done for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe there are copyright issues .
As with movies , do n't you need a special performance copy/license in order to rent it out ?
I 'd imagine the same goes with books.There is a difference between reselling a book , and renting it out .
However , what harm would there be , if a student simply were to lend out a book , free of charge ?
Other than by the time it wears out , it 's done for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe there are copyright issues.
As with movies, don't you need a special performance copy/license in order to rent it out?
I'd imagine the same goes with books.There is a difference between reselling a book, and renting it out.
However, what harm would there be, if a student simply were to lend out a book, free of charge?
Other than by the time it wears out, it's done for.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587757</id>
	<title>Scam...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246824540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As others have pointed out, textbooks are quite the scam, with minor editions being updated to require purchase of new books each year.</p><p>No one wants to take the chance that they're answering the wrong question on an assignment, or missing a factoid that is asked on a test, that happened not to be in their edition.</p><p>For some subjects, evolving of the texts makes sense; for some established fundamentals, it's senseless.</p><p>What would be interesting would be for some website to track differences between editions, to let students know where they stand; it would really call out the perpetrators of this "edition scam" and reduce their power greatly.</p><p>Alternatively, I wouldn't be surprised to see a trend towards copying/pdf'ing (i.e. piracy) of texts to save money for students.  Piracy often crops up in cases where there is inappropriately high pricing (most computer games, IMHO); I can't see an area more ripe for piracy than the textbook industry.  (Not that I'd condone it, just that I think the prices are inflated, and the requirements for new texts are artificially and inappropriately imposed.)</p><p>One thing that always seemed odd to me was that each year, in each course, the professors seemed surprised (or feigned surprise) at how expensive the book actually was, and indicated they wouldn't have chosen it had they known how expensive it was.  Are their kickbacks or something?!?!?  (I taught one year, and was given a big armload of texts to examine and choose between; I wasn't told prices, and simply picked the best one based upon its merit.  So if there was a kickback scam, no one approached me; thankfully, for their sake<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As others have pointed out , textbooks are quite the scam , with minor editions being updated to require purchase of new books each year.No one wants to take the chance that they 're answering the wrong question on an assignment , or missing a factoid that is asked on a test , that happened not to be in their edition.For some subjects , evolving of the texts makes sense ; for some established fundamentals , it 's senseless.What would be interesting would be for some website to track differences between editions , to let students know where they stand ; it would really call out the perpetrators of this " edition scam " and reduce their power greatly.Alternatively , I would n't be surprised to see a trend towards copying/pdf'ing ( i.e .
piracy ) of texts to save money for students .
Piracy often crops up in cases where there is inappropriately high pricing ( most computer games , IMHO ) ; I ca n't see an area more ripe for piracy than the textbook industry .
( Not that I 'd condone it , just that I think the prices are inflated , and the requirements for new texts are artificially and inappropriately imposed .
) One thing that always seemed odd to me was that each year , in each course , the professors seemed surprised ( or feigned surprise ) at how expensive the book actually was , and indicated they would n't have chosen it had they known how expensive it was .
Are their kickbacks or something ? ! ? ! ?
( I taught one year , and was given a big armload of texts to examine and choose between ; I was n't told prices , and simply picked the best one based upon its merit .
So if there was a kickback scam , no one approached me ; thankfully , for their sake : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As others have pointed out, textbooks are quite the scam, with minor editions being updated to require purchase of new books each year.No one wants to take the chance that they're answering the wrong question on an assignment, or missing a factoid that is asked on a test, that happened not to be in their edition.For some subjects, evolving of the texts makes sense; for some established fundamentals, it's senseless.What would be interesting would be for some website to track differences between editions, to let students know where they stand; it would really call out the perpetrators of this "edition scam" and reduce their power greatly.Alternatively, I wouldn't be surprised to see a trend towards copying/pdf'ing (i.e.
piracy) of texts to save money for students.
Piracy often crops up in cases where there is inappropriately high pricing (most computer games, IMHO); I can't see an area more ripe for piracy than the textbook industry.
(Not that I'd condone it, just that I think the prices are inflated, and the requirements for new texts are artificially and inappropriately imposed.
)One thing that always seemed odd to me was that each year, in each course, the professors seemed surprised (or feigned surprise) at how expensive the book actually was, and indicated they wouldn't have chosen it had they known how expensive it was.
Are their kickbacks or something?!?!?
(I taught one year, and was given a big armload of texts to examine and choose between; I wasn't told prices, and simply picked the best one based upon its merit.
So if there was a kickback scam, no one approached me; thankfully, for their sake :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589179</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246794120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure if he realized this or not, but he was extending the call-B.S. to the next level.  The premise of this article is that textbook publishers and their authors have a little scam going, and maybe they do.  But what about 4 year universities and their graduates?  Is it true that they are transmitting the latest and the deepest technical knowledge that can't be realistically gained through self study or from some zero-prestige online program, for a couple hundred thousand USD less?  Maybe not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure if he realized this or not , but he was extending the call-B.S .
to the next level .
The premise of this article is that textbook publishers and their authors have a little scam going , and maybe they do .
But what about 4 year universities and their graduates ?
Is it true that they are transmitting the latest and the deepest technical knowledge that ca n't be realistically gained through self study or from some zero-prestige online program , for a couple hundred thousand USD less ?
Maybe not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure if he realized this or not, but he was extending the call-B.S.
to the next level.
The premise of this article is that textbook publishers and their authors have a little scam going, and maybe they do.
But what about 4 year universities and their graduates?
Is it true that they are transmitting the latest and the deepest technical knowledge that can't be realistically gained through self study or from some zero-prestige online program, for a couple hundred thousand USD less?
Maybe not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586833</id>
	<title>Does this really save that much money?</title>
	<author>Banzai042</author>
	<datestamp>1246815300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>In all reality, how is this all that different from a student buying a textbook at the start of a semester and selling it back at the end?  I also think that the endless cycle of "new" editions of the book can put a crimp in the plans for this service, since schools will require the latest edition of a book, which will be impossible for this company to find cheaply online, meaning that they'll need to price to rental to pay for the full cost of the book in just a few semesters (before the new one comes out).
<br> <br>
Interesting idea, but I'm skeptical as to how well they can keep costs low enough to be a truly economical alternative to buying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In all reality , how is this all that different from a student buying a textbook at the start of a semester and selling it back at the end ?
I also think that the endless cycle of " new " editions of the book can put a crimp in the plans for this service , since schools will require the latest edition of a book , which will be impossible for this company to find cheaply online , meaning that they 'll need to price to rental to pay for the full cost of the book in just a few semesters ( before the new one comes out ) .
Interesting idea , but I 'm skeptical as to how well they can keep costs low enough to be a truly economical alternative to buying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all reality, how is this all that different from a student buying a textbook at the start of a semester and selling it back at the end?
I also think that the endless cycle of "new" editions of the book can put a crimp in the plans for this service, since schools will require the latest edition of a book, which will be impossible for this company to find cheaply online, meaning that they'll need to price to rental to pay for the full cost of the book in just a few semesters (before the new one comes out).
Interesting idea, but I'm skeptical as to how well they can keep costs low enough to be a truly economical alternative to buying.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589441</id>
	<title>Nothing new here......</title>
	<author>chiger\_bite</author>
	<datestamp>1246797360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The university that I attended (and worked at for a while) has been renting textbooks through the campus-run bookstore since my father went to school there (about 35 years).  The concept is not new.  What will be interesting though will be seeing how some of the textbook retailers (Barnes &amp; Noble, Amazon, etc.) will respond to a more public method of renting books.  Personally, I'm more interested in increasing the popularity of electronic textbooks than I am traditional textbook distribution......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The university that I attended ( and worked at for a while ) has been renting textbooks through the campus-run bookstore since my father went to school there ( about 35 years ) .
The concept is not new .
What will be interesting though will be seeing how some of the textbook retailers ( Barnes &amp; Noble , Amazon , etc .
) will respond to a more public method of renting books .
Personally , I 'm more interested in increasing the popularity of electronic textbooks than I am traditional textbook distribution..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The university that I attended (and worked at for a while) has been renting textbooks through the campus-run bookstore since my father went to school there (about 35 years).
The concept is not new.
What will be interesting though will be seeing how some of the textbook retailers (Barnes &amp; Noble, Amazon, etc.
) will respond to a more public method of renting books.
Personally, I'm more interested in increasing the popularity of electronic textbooks than I am traditional textbook distribution......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589679</id>
	<title>Here's what I don't get (borderline offtopic)</title>
	<author>Merc248</author>
	<datestamp>1246800120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I studied math at my college, most of my textbooks were <i>old</i>.  By old, I mean there were no new editions whatsoever... for instance, the classic <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Principles-Mathematical-Analysis-Third-Walter/dp/007054235X" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">Baby Rudin</a> [amazon.com] textbook on mathematical analysis is at least $140, and on Amazon, it says that the last edition was made in 1976.  So why does it still cost so much?  McGraw-Hill is a pretty huge publishing company, so I figure they still need to make a profit, yet they do not need to churn out any more editions...</p><p>Further, while publishers often change the books by an infinitesimal amount, I've seen cases where classic textbooks were practically raped and were changed drastically for whatever reason.  Case in point: the freshman level Halliday / Resnick physics textbook.  I believe in the third or fourth edition, it was concise and easy to follow, without so much verbose explanations that made no sense whatsoever.  Nowadays, it's almost exactly identical to the Jewett / Serway textbook, which seems like it's competing against the Knight textbook for the lowest common denominator explanations possible.  But I suppose, if I was the publisher, I would ruin a perfectly fine textbook in order to turn a profit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I studied math at my college , most of my textbooks were old .
By old , I mean there were no new editions whatsoever... for instance , the classic Baby Rudin [ amazon.com ] textbook on mathematical analysis is at least $ 140 , and on Amazon , it says that the last edition was made in 1976 .
So why does it still cost so much ?
McGraw-Hill is a pretty huge publishing company , so I figure they still need to make a profit , yet they do not need to churn out any more editions...Further , while publishers often change the books by an infinitesimal amount , I 've seen cases where classic textbooks were practically raped and were changed drastically for whatever reason .
Case in point : the freshman level Halliday / Resnick physics textbook .
I believe in the third or fourth edition , it was concise and easy to follow , without so much verbose explanations that made no sense whatsoever .
Nowadays , it 's almost exactly identical to the Jewett / Serway textbook , which seems like it 's competing against the Knight textbook for the lowest common denominator explanations possible .
But I suppose , if I was the publisher , I would ruin a perfectly fine textbook in order to turn a profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I studied math at my college, most of my textbooks were old.
By old, I mean there were no new editions whatsoever... for instance, the classic Baby Rudin [amazon.com] textbook on mathematical analysis is at least $140, and on Amazon, it says that the last edition was made in 1976.
So why does it still cost so much?
McGraw-Hill is a pretty huge publishing company, so I figure they still need to make a profit, yet they do not need to churn out any more editions...Further, while publishers often change the books by an infinitesimal amount, I've seen cases where classic textbooks were practically raped and were changed drastically for whatever reason.
Case in point: the freshman level Halliday / Resnick physics textbook.
I believe in the third or fourth edition, it was concise and easy to follow, without so much verbose explanations that made no sense whatsoever.
Nowadays, it's almost exactly identical to the Jewett / Serway textbook, which seems like it's competing against the Knight textbook for the lowest common denominator explanations possible.
But I suppose, if I was the publisher, I would ruin a perfectly fine textbook in order to turn a profit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587477</id>
	<title>Already done in France</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246821660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In France, school's books are provided by the schools, because public education *must* be free for all children.<br>After that, in coll&egrave;ge, lyc&eacute;e and universit&eacute; you are on your own. But wait, no in fact : there are several big NGO related to family, education and so (mainly PEEP and FCPE) which for a very small yearly fee will lend you all your needed books.</p><p>Those NGO have existed for ages and are very active in school everyday life (helping for the schools trips, etc).</p><p>The government is imposing school programs (no creationism, thank you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:), and is validating the school books proposed by the publishers. So the teachers have a reasonable choice on what material to use, the costs stay low because of standardization and the families don't suffer from high prices.</p><p>(when can we have, at least, proper international support ? Not the whole planet is limited to ASCII-7, you know...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In France , school 's books are provided by the schools , because public education * must * be free for all children.After that , in coll   ge , lyc   e and universit   you are on your own .
But wait , no in fact : there are several big NGO related to family , education and so ( mainly PEEP and FCPE ) which for a very small yearly fee will lend you all your needed books.Those NGO have existed for ages and are very active in school everyday life ( helping for the schools trips , etc ) .The government is imposing school programs ( no creationism , thank you : ) , and is validating the school books proposed by the publishers .
So the teachers have a reasonable choice on what material to use , the costs stay low because of standardization and the families do n't suffer from high prices .
( when can we have , at least , proper international support ?
Not the whole planet is limited to ASCII-7 , you know... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In France, school's books are provided by the schools, because public education *must* be free for all children.After that, in collège, lycée and université you are on your own.
But wait, no in fact : there are several big NGO related to family, education and so (mainly PEEP and FCPE) which for a very small yearly fee will lend you all your needed books.Those NGO have existed for ages and are very active in school everyday life (helping for the schools trips, etc).The government is imposing school programs (no creationism, thank you :), and is validating the school books proposed by the publishers.
So the teachers have a reasonable choice on what material to use, the costs stay low because of standardization and the families don't suffer from high prices.
(when can we have, at least, proper international support ?
Not the whole planet is limited to ASCII-7, you know...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587455</id>
	<title>I hate these textbook posts!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246821420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everyone wants to save money on textbooks. We get it! However, when you really think about it what we really need is textbooks we're going to keep. The mentality of everyone from the publishers to the students (government, schools and book stores) needs to change. Textbooks should have lasting value. They should be an integral part of education and something a person would refer back to in their career. I wouldn't mind spending money on books if that were the case.

Renting textbook or selling them back or trying to artificially cheapen them in some way only compounds the problem. Let's fix the root of the problem for once instead mending it with stupid schemes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone wants to save money on textbooks .
We get it !
However , when you really think about it what we really need is textbooks we 're going to keep .
The mentality of everyone from the publishers to the students ( government , schools and book stores ) needs to change .
Textbooks should have lasting value .
They should be an integral part of education and something a person would refer back to in their career .
I would n't mind spending money on books if that were the case .
Renting textbook or selling them back or trying to artificially cheapen them in some way only compounds the problem .
Let 's fix the root of the problem for once instead mending it with stupid schemes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone wants to save money on textbooks.
We get it!
However, when you really think about it what we really need is textbooks we're going to keep.
The mentality of everyone from the publishers to the students (government, schools and book stores) needs to change.
Textbooks should have lasting value.
They should be an integral part of education and something a person would refer back to in their career.
I wouldn't mind spending money on books if that were the case.
Renting textbook or selling them back or trying to artificially cheapen them in some way only compounds the problem.
Let's fix the root of the problem for once instead mending it with stupid schemes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590667</id>
	<title>Didn't Richard Stallman come up with this idea?</title>
	<author>A Life in Hell</author>
	<datestamp>1246812360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't RMS come up with this idea about <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html" title="gnu.org" rel="nofollow">twelve years ago</a> [gnu.org]?  It's basically the same thing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't RMS come up with this idea about twelve years ago [ gnu.org ] ?
It 's basically the same thing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't RMS come up with this idea about twelve years ago [gnu.org]?
It's basically the same thing...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589145</id>
	<title>Mandatory Internships for Professors &amp; Authors</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246793640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed. I have two or three old textbooks on my shelf that actually served (and continue to serve) as good solid references in my day-to-day work. Most of the others that I had crammed up my book bag were hardly worth opening even while I was taking the class, and frankly should have been handed over to Nazis for a good bonfire.</p><p>It seems that there are two classes of professional text - 1) those geared to classroom environments with questions and example problems written by some professor who never did a real thing in their entire career, or 2) books written by professionals, for professionals actually practicing the profession.</p><p>Once in a blue moon you actually get an academic text written by someone who actually practiced in the profession. And even more occasionally you get an instructor that makes you buy and use the non-academic text because that is what you're actually going to use in practice - also likely because the professor actually came from the practice.</p><p>I don't think the textbook market system itself is broken, it is just flooded with texts written by professors who never actually worked in their field. Sadly, the universities are also jam packed with these instructors, pretending that they have some idea of what is happening in the field. They don't.</p><p>There should be a internship system or minimum industry experience qualification for professors. Sadly there isn't, and there never will be, as the swollen heads in academia and the actual people working in the profession don't mix well in most universities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
I have two or three old textbooks on my shelf that actually served ( and continue to serve ) as good solid references in my day-to-day work .
Most of the others that I had crammed up my book bag were hardly worth opening even while I was taking the class , and frankly should have been handed over to Nazis for a good bonfire.It seems that there are two classes of professional text - 1 ) those geared to classroom environments with questions and example problems written by some professor who never did a real thing in their entire career , or 2 ) books written by professionals , for professionals actually practicing the profession.Once in a blue moon you actually get an academic text written by someone who actually practiced in the profession .
And even more occasionally you get an instructor that makes you buy and use the non-academic text because that is what you 're actually going to use in practice - also likely because the professor actually came from the practice.I do n't think the textbook market system itself is broken , it is just flooded with texts written by professors who never actually worked in their field .
Sadly , the universities are also jam packed with these instructors , pretending that they have some idea of what is happening in the field .
They do n't.There should be a internship system or minimum industry experience qualification for professors .
Sadly there is n't , and there never will be , as the swollen heads in academia and the actual people working in the profession do n't mix well in most universities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
I have two or three old textbooks on my shelf that actually served (and continue to serve) as good solid references in my day-to-day work.
Most of the others that I had crammed up my book bag were hardly worth opening even while I was taking the class, and frankly should have been handed over to Nazis for a good bonfire.It seems that there are two classes of professional text - 1) those geared to classroom environments with questions and example problems written by some professor who never did a real thing in their entire career, or 2) books written by professionals, for professionals actually practicing the profession.Once in a blue moon you actually get an academic text written by someone who actually practiced in the profession.
And even more occasionally you get an instructor that makes you buy and use the non-academic text because that is what you're actually going to use in practice - also likely because the professor actually came from the practice.I don't think the textbook market system itself is broken, it is just flooded with texts written by professors who never actually worked in their field.
Sadly, the universities are also jam packed with these instructors, pretending that they have some idea of what is happening in the field.
They don't.There should be a internship system or minimum industry experience qualification for professors.
Sadly there isn't, and there never will be, as the swollen heads in academia and the actual people working in the profession don't mix well in most universities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588591</id>
	<title>Professor Profits</title>
	<author>knghtrider</author>
	<datestamp>1246788240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I was at the University, more than half of my text books had been written by the professors teaching the courses. Naturally, you were required to BUY the textbook the prof wrote, thereby lining the pocket of said professor. Not only that, but I distinctly recall buying the 12th edition of a book that had been published only 3 years prior by the professor. Each 'edition' was of course an update to the prior one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was at the University , more than half of my text books had been written by the professors teaching the courses .
Naturally , you were required to BUY the textbook the prof wrote , thereby lining the pocket of said professor .
Not only that , but I distinctly recall buying the 12th edition of a book that had been published only 3 years prior by the professor .
Each 'edition ' was of course an update to the prior one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was at the University, more than half of my text books had been written by the professors teaching the courses.
Naturally, you were required to BUY the textbook the prof wrote, thereby lining the pocket of said professor.
Not only that, but I distinctly recall buying the 12th edition of a book that had been published only 3 years prior by the professor.
Each 'edition' was of course an update to the prior one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589455</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>rastoboy29</author>
	<datestamp>1246797660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>You make some valid points, but I can assure you that a real 4 year BS in CS has it's place.&nbsp; For example in software development, having a deep understanding of the nuts and bolts can *often* be more important than practical experience when you're talking about more than a simple app.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>You make some valid points , but I can assure you that a real 4 year BS in CS has it 's place.   For example in software development , having a deep understanding of the nuts and bolts can * often * be more important than practical experience when you 're talking about more than a simple app .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You make some valid points, but I can assure you that a real 4 year BS in CS has it's place.  For example in software development, having a deep understanding of the nuts and bolts can *often* be more important than practical experience when you're talking about more than a simple app.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587431</id>
	<title>PDF Books</title>
	<author>tsnorquist</author>
	<datestamp>1246821120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wonder why the publishers just don't sell PDF versions of the book for $10.00.  I'd think doing that would save money on paper, shipping, printing, electricity, etc.</p><p>With the use of notebooks/netbooks so prevalent in schools, I'd think this would be a no brainer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wonder why the publishers just do n't sell PDF versions of the book for $ 10.00 .
I 'd think doing that would save money on paper , shipping , printing , electricity , etc.With the use of notebooks/netbooks so prevalent in schools , I 'd think this would be a no brainer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wonder why the publishers just don't sell PDF versions of the book for $10.00.
I'd think doing that would save money on paper, shipping, printing, electricity, etc.With the use of notebooks/netbooks so prevalent in schools, I'd think this would be a no brainer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587963</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1246826280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that someone with a passion for working with computers is probably going to do a better job, but it can be difficult to find out the guys who REALLY installed every distro and the guys that know just enough to get them by the interview...unless you dedicate a lot of time to the interview process.</p><p>Keep in mind also, that there are some applicants with degrees that ALSO sat at home and loaded every distro....doing their classroom work and doing their own side projects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that someone with a passion for working with computers is probably going to do a better job , but it can be difficult to find out the guys who REALLY installed every distro and the guys that know just enough to get them by the interview...unless you dedicate a lot of time to the interview process.Keep in mind also , that there are some applicants with degrees that ALSO sat at home and loaded every distro....doing their classroom work and doing their own side projects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that someone with a passion for working with computers is probably going to do a better job, but it can be difficult to find out the guys who REALLY installed every distro and the guys that know just enough to get them by the interview...unless you dedicate a lot of time to the interview process.Keep in mind also, that there are some applicants with degrees that ALSO sat at home and loaded every distro....doing their classroom work and doing their own side projects.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590821</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Thaelon</author>
	<datestamp>1246814400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know there are people who messed with a lot of things at home, and <em>then</em> got a four year degree, right?</p><p>And you gave them, what two weeks?</p><p>I'll admit it's shameful that they sat there for two weeks and accomplished nothing, a few Google searches should have turned up a clue at least, but often a four year degree teaches you some of the fundamentals that practical learning alone never covers.  You'll often see the difference only when it's far too late.  Whereas the practical day to day stuff can be taught in a day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know there are people who messed with a lot of things at home , and then got a four year degree , right ? And you gave them , what two weeks ? I 'll admit it 's shameful that they sat there for two weeks and accomplished nothing , a few Google searches should have turned up a clue at least , but often a four year degree teaches you some of the fundamentals that practical learning alone never covers .
You 'll often see the difference only when it 's far too late .
Whereas the practical day to day stuff can be taught in a day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know there are people who messed with a lot of things at home, and then got a four year degree, right?And you gave them, what two weeks?I'll admit it's shameful that they sat there for two weeks and accomplished nothing, a few Google searches should have turned up a clue at least, but often a four year degree teaches you some of the fundamentals that practical learning alone never covers.
You'll often see the difference only when it's far too late.
Whereas the practical day to day stuff can be taught in a day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587713</id>
	<title>Two Reasons...</title>
	<author>DougReed</author>
	<datestamp>1246823940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Two reasons.</p><p>One:  Because movies are (slightly more) profitable.  The vendor buys it, and rents it out over and over again for a few days at a time with very little risk of damage.  A textbook would be 'out' for a whole semester, and may be substantially worn when returned.  Where is the benefit?  The textbook may, or may not be part of the next years curriculum, so I pretty much need to get the full cost of the book plus the profit margin from the first renter.  No benefit to either party.</p><p>Two:  Captive audience.  If I charge too much for a movie, or require you to buy it, many people will watch a different movie.  I cannot say...  That textbook was unavailable for a reasonable price, so I will use this one instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Two reasons.One : Because movies are ( slightly more ) profitable .
The vendor buys it , and rents it out over and over again for a few days at a time with very little risk of damage .
A textbook would be 'out ' for a whole semester , and may be substantially worn when returned .
Where is the benefit ?
The textbook may , or may not be part of the next years curriculum , so I pretty much need to get the full cost of the book plus the profit margin from the first renter .
No benefit to either party.Two : Captive audience .
If I charge too much for a movie , or require you to buy it , many people will watch a different movie .
I can not say... That textbook was unavailable for a reasonable price , so I will use this one instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two reasons.One:  Because movies are (slightly more) profitable.
The vendor buys it, and rents it out over and over again for a few days at a time with very little risk of damage.
A textbook would be 'out' for a whole semester, and may be substantially worn when returned.
Where is the benefit?
The textbook may, or may not be part of the next years curriculum, so I pretty much need to get the full cost of the book plus the profit margin from the first renter.
No benefit to either party.Two:  Captive audience.
If I charge too much for a movie, or require you to buy it, many people will watch a different movie.
I cannot say...  That textbook was unavailable for a reasonable price, so I will use this one instead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587449</id>
	<title>Keep em for reference!</title>
	<author>eggman9713</author>
	<datestamp>1246821300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would not want to rent my books, because I want to keep them for reference in the career that they are supposedly providing us! I mean, how are you going to remember EVERYTHING in those books beyond a semester or two after the class, let alone when you actually need it out in the professional world? I think the only books I sold back were for some of my freshman level stuff like anicent history, sociology, etc. I kept all the rest of my engineering books and even some other books I found interesting, like my American Literature anthology books.

Plus they look really good on my shelf at work<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would not want to rent my books , because I want to keep them for reference in the career that they are supposedly providing us !
I mean , how are you going to remember EVERYTHING in those books beyond a semester or two after the class , let alone when you actually need it out in the professional world ?
I think the only books I sold back were for some of my freshman level stuff like anicent history , sociology , etc .
I kept all the rest of my engineering books and even some other books I found interesting , like my American Literature anthology books .
Plus they look really good on my shelf at work ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would not want to rent my books, because I want to keep them for reference in the career that they are supposedly providing us!
I mean, how are you going to remember EVERYTHING in those books beyond a semester or two after the class, let alone when you actually need it out in the professional world?
I think the only books I sold back were for some of my freshman level stuff like anicent history, sociology, etc.
I kept all the rest of my engineering books and even some other books I found interesting, like my American Literature anthology books.
Plus they look really good on my shelf at work ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28608691</id>
	<title>Re:Hey Faggots,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246983540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fireball!,Fireball!,Fireball!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fireball ! ,Fireball ! ,Fireball !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fireball!,Fireball!,Fireball!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590521</id>
	<title>Seriously</title>
	<author>danwesnor</author>
	<datestamp>1246810380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your professor wrote the $200 textbook he uses for class and releases a new edition every year, and you ask why you have to buy them instead of rent them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your professor wrote the $ 200 textbook he uses for class and releases a new edition every year , and you ask why you have to buy them instead of rent them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your professor wrote the $200 textbook he uses for class and releases a new edition every year, and you ask why you have to buy them instead of rent them?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586945</id>
	<title>Re:Does this really save that much money?</title>
	<author>schnikies79</author>
	<datestamp>1246816380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you really have professors that required the newest books?  Maybe my department (chemistry major) was a little different, but they didn't care.  The semester usually started off with "here is the current book.  If you don't have this one don't worry about it, just make copies of what you need."  The same went for my math classes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you really have professors that required the newest books ?
Maybe my department ( chemistry major ) was a little different , but they did n't care .
The semester usually started off with " here is the current book .
If you do n't have this one do n't worry about it , just make copies of what you need .
" The same went for my math classes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you really have professors that required the newest books?
Maybe my department (chemistry major) was a little different, but they didn't care.
The semester usually started off with "here is the current book.
If you don't have this one don't worry about it, just make copies of what you need.
"  The same went for my math classes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587013</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246816980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The whole textbook market is a scam to rip off students.  The vendors keep churning the book versions simply just to keep saturation low (why do we need 17 editions of an algebra book?).</p><p>At one point, I had purchased a marketing book only to find that a new version had come out right at the beginning of the semester.  The prof apologized for the problem and handed out an addendum for the students with the early edition.  The only changes were to the end-of-chapter quiz questions.  And most of those questions remained the same - just with the question numbering changed slightly.</p><p>They weren't even trying to be creative with the fact that they were screwing the students.  Everyone knew this to be the case and accepted it.  I think that I was the only person who was upset by this obvious racket.</p><p>Is this what we should expect for everything from now on?  If schools really cared about anything but profits, then we'd have a mandatory open-source textbook market where academia would be free to create and modify textbooks.  These textbooks would cost nothing.  Certainly, there would still be a need for private market textbooks (on arcane and/or rapidly changing subjects) but I can see a substantial portion of textbook requirements displaced by an open system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The whole textbook market is a scam to rip off students .
The vendors keep churning the book versions simply just to keep saturation low ( why do we need 17 editions of an algebra book ?
) .At one point , I had purchased a marketing book only to find that a new version had come out right at the beginning of the semester .
The prof apologized for the problem and handed out an addendum for the students with the early edition .
The only changes were to the end-of-chapter quiz questions .
And most of those questions remained the same - just with the question numbering changed slightly.They were n't even trying to be creative with the fact that they were screwing the students .
Everyone knew this to be the case and accepted it .
I think that I was the only person who was upset by this obvious racket.Is this what we should expect for everything from now on ?
If schools really cared about anything but profits , then we 'd have a mandatory open-source textbook market where academia would be free to create and modify textbooks .
These textbooks would cost nothing .
Certainly , there would still be a need for private market textbooks ( on arcane and/or rapidly changing subjects ) but I can see a substantial portion of textbook requirements displaced by an open system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The whole textbook market is a scam to rip off students.
The vendors keep churning the book versions simply just to keep saturation low (why do we need 17 editions of an algebra book?
).At one point, I had purchased a marketing book only to find that a new version had come out right at the beginning of the semester.
The prof apologized for the problem and handed out an addendum for the students with the early edition.
The only changes were to the end-of-chapter quiz questions.
And most of those questions remained the same - just with the question numbering changed slightly.They weren't even trying to be creative with the fact that they were screwing the students.
Everyone knew this to be the case and accepted it.
I think that I was the only person who was upset by this obvious racket.Is this what we should expect for everything from now on?
If schools really cared about anything but profits, then we'd have a mandatory open-source textbook market where academia would be free to create and modify textbooks.
These textbooks would cost nothing.
Certainly, there would still be a need for private market textbooks (on arcane and/or rapidly changing subjects) but I can see a substantial portion of textbook requirements displaced by an open system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589375</id>
	<title>New editions</title>
	<author>incognito84</author>
	<datestamp>1246796580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In University, I remember having professors who pleaded with us to buy the newest edition of the textbook, which was only available on campus in the bookstore.
<br>
<br>
I've compared editions quite a number of time. Occasionally the differences are stark enough to warrant the purchase of a new edition, sometimes a few changes are tagged on just to churn a profit. The most memorable of this was a textbook for my logic course, where the edition cost more than $50 more than the previous edition (already $150) and had nothing other than two new chapters, which were horrible. Our professor for that course made a powerpoint for fun just to explain how badly the chapters "sucked."
<br>
<br>
Then there are the professors you can be sure get some kind of commission from the publisher for forcing their students into buying the newest editions, knowing they were garbage.
<br>
<br>
Anyway, veering into off-topic land now so I'll stop. I hope this rental system really works out and does provide new editions. I spent near $10000 on textbooks in my four years and half of it was totally unnecessary.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In University , I remember having professors who pleaded with us to buy the newest edition of the textbook , which was only available on campus in the bookstore .
I 've compared editions quite a number of time .
Occasionally the differences are stark enough to warrant the purchase of a new edition , sometimes a few changes are tagged on just to churn a profit .
The most memorable of this was a textbook for my logic course , where the edition cost more than $ 50 more than the previous edition ( already $ 150 ) and had nothing other than two new chapters , which were horrible .
Our professor for that course made a powerpoint for fun just to explain how badly the chapters " sucked .
" Then there are the professors you can be sure get some kind of commission from the publisher for forcing their students into buying the newest editions , knowing they were garbage .
Anyway , veering into off-topic land now so I 'll stop .
I hope this rental system really works out and does provide new editions .
I spent near $ 10000 on textbooks in my four years and half of it was totally unnecessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In University, I remember having professors who pleaded with us to buy the newest edition of the textbook, which was only available on campus in the bookstore.
I've compared editions quite a number of time.
Occasionally the differences are stark enough to warrant the purchase of a new edition, sometimes a few changes are tagged on just to churn a profit.
The most memorable of this was a textbook for my logic course, where the edition cost more than $50 more than the previous edition (already $150) and had nothing other than two new chapters, which were horrible.
Our professor for that course made a powerpoint for fun just to explain how badly the chapters "sucked.
"


Then there are the professors you can be sure get some kind of commission from the publisher for forcing their students into buying the newest editions, knowing they were garbage.
Anyway, veering into off-topic land now so I'll stop.
I hope this rental system really works out and does provide new editions.
I spent near $10000 on textbooks in my four years and half of it was totally unnecessary.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587121</id>
	<title>nobody rents in europe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246818060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>nobody rents in europe, it's a dead market.
for a good reason, not piracy but competition in dvd sale market.

the US market is filled with single company monopoly's and thus people are more prone to download illegally from the web (us piracy numbers on average are higher than anywhere else, except for china *these people are starving to begin with...*)</htmltext>
<tokenext>nobody rents in europe , it 's a dead market .
for a good reason , not piracy but competition in dvd sale market .
the US market is filled with single company monopoly 's and thus people are more prone to download illegally from the web ( us piracy numbers on average are higher than anywhere else , except for china * these people are starving to begin with... * )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nobody rents in europe, it's a dead market.
for a good reason, not piracy but competition in dvd sale market.
the US market is filled with single company monopoly's and thus people are more prone to download illegally from the web (us piracy numbers on average are higher than anywhere else, except for china *these people are starving to begin with...*)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587781</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1246824780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> For IT work, I'd hire someone who spent 2 years exploring their chosen field at home or at a lower level job and can explain topics in detail, rather than a graduate of a 4 year institution with their warm fuzzy diploma and no clue of how to really do the work.</i></p><p>This is a classic bias comparison - you're comparing two groups, but also starting out by defining that one is better than the other. You can't then conclude that one is therefore better than the other - that's a circular argument.</p><p>E.g., I might as well say "I'd hire someone who has never had any education and can explain everything in detail, than someone who's been to University, done a PhD, spent years working in the industry, and has no clue how to do their work"!</p><p>You can't generalise from your bias anecdote, and then making a generalisation. Anecdotes aren't evidence, and correlation isn't causation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For IT work , I 'd hire someone who spent 2 years exploring their chosen field at home or at a lower level job and can explain topics in detail , rather than a graduate of a 4 year institution with their warm fuzzy diploma and no clue of how to really do the work.This is a classic bias comparison - you 're comparing two groups , but also starting out by defining that one is better than the other .
You ca n't then conclude that one is therefore better than the other - that 's a circular argument.E.g. , I might as well say " I 'd hire someone who has never had any education and can explain everything in detail , than someone who 's been to University , done a PhD , spent years working in the industry , and has no clue how to do their work " ! You ca n't generalise from your bias anecdote , and then making a generalisation .
Anecdotes are n't evidence , and correlation is n't causation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> For IT work, I'd hire someone who spent 2 years exploring their chosen field at home or at a lower level job and can explain topics in detail, rather than a graduate of a 4 year institution with their warm fuzzy diploma and no clue of how to really do the work.This is a classic bias comparison - you're comparing two groups, but also starting out by defining that one is better than the other.
You can't then conclude that one is therefore better than the other - that's a circular argument.E.g., I might as well say "I'd hire someone who has never had any education and can explain everything in detail, than someone who's been to University, done a PhD, spent years working in the industry, and has no clue how to do their work"!You can't generalise from your bias anecdote, and then making a generalisation.
Anecdotes aren't evidence, and correlation isn't causation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589315</id>
	<title>Lower grades do now</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1246795680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You pay for the book via taxes and don't get to keep them from class to class..  Sounds like rental to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You pay for the book via taxes and do n't get to keep them from class to class.. Sounds like rental to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You pay for the book via taxes and don't get to keep them from class to class..  Sounds like rental to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28594045</id>
	<title>Folks aready DO rent textbooks.</title>
	<author>jockeys</author>
	<datestamp>1246892640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Within my frat, it was common to rent textbooks for a semester. If an underclassman needed a book you had, it was common courtesy to let him use it for the semester, and he would repay the favor with beer or twenty bucks. So this sort of thing DOES occur, just not in a formal or organized way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Within my frat , it was common to rent textbooks for a semester .
If an underclassman needed a book you had , it was common courtesy to let him use it for the semester , and he would repay the favor with beer or twenty bucks .
So this sort of thing DOES occur , just not in a formal or organized way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Within my frat, it was common to rent textbooks for a semester.
If an underclassman needed a book you had, it was common courtesy to let him use it for the semester, and he would repay the favor with beer or twenty bucks.
So this sort of thing DOES occur, just not in a formal or organized way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588897</id>
	<title>Re:A personal anecdote</title>
	<author>visible.frylock</author>
	<datestamp>1246790940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But today, in the Middle Bullshit Era, if you do that you might have someone snitch you out. Then you could be kicked out of the university for being in violation of the stated Ethics Policy, which you have no doubt signed at some point.</p><p>I've thought about that several times, and have even done that with some trusted friends in the same classes. But torrents are a lot safer than doing that with some random person.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But today , in the Middle Bullshit Era , if you do that you might have someone snitch you out .
Then you could be kicked out of the university for being in violation of the stated Ethics Policy , which you have no doubt signed at some point.I 've thought about that several times , and have even done that with some trusted friends in the same classes .
But torrents are a lot safer than doing that with some random person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But today, in the Middle Bullshit Era, if you do that you might have someone snitch you out.
Then you could be kicked out of the university for being in violation of the stated Ethics Policy, which you have no doubt signed at some point.I've thought about that several times, and have even done that with some trusted friends in the same classes.
But torrents are a lot safer than doing that with some random person.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28599543</id>
	<title>Scam or no scam, you still have to have textbooks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246874040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If textbooks are a scam perpetrated against students by forcing out new unneeded editions, then it is on the part of the textbook publishers and not the institutions that utilized the books. The schools don't want a college education to be any more cost prohibitive than it already is. I think that renting textbooks is a fine way to combat this purported scam, and a wonderful way to save a little extra doe in college. Naturally there may be some textbooks you want to keep for reference and some you will not, but either way there are cheaper places to get them than your campus bookstore. Such a place is <a href="http://www.bigwords.com/" title="bigwords.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.bigwords.com/</a> [bigwords.com] They are a price comparison textbook search engine, and they give you the option of searching for books to rent or buy. You can even sell back ones that you have bought using their site.  Let this be yet another weapon in your arsenal to use against the exorbitant prices of college these days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If textbooks are a scam perpetrated against students by forcing out new unneeded editions , then it is on the part of the textbook publishers and not the institutions that utilized the books .
The schools do n't want a college education to be any more cost prohibitive than it already is .
I think that renting textbooks is a fine way to combat this purported scam , and a wonderful way to save a little extra doe in college .
Naturally there may be some textbooks you want to keep for reference and some you will not , but either way there are cheaper places to get them than your campus bookstore .
Such a place is http : //www.bigwords.com/ [ bigwords.com ] They are a price comparison textbook search engine , and they give you the option of searching for books to rent or buy .
You can even sell back ones that you have bought using their site .
Let this be yet another weapon in your arsenal to use against the exorbitant prices of college these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If textbooks are a scam perpetrated against students by forcing out new unneeded editions, then it is on the part of the textbook publishers and not the institutions that utilized the books.
The schools don't want a college education to be any more cost prohibitive than it already is.
I think that renting textbooks is a fine way to combat this purported scam, and a wonderful way to save a little extra doe in college.
Naturally there may be some textbooks you want to keep for reference and some you will not, but either way there are cheaper places to get them than your campus bookstore.
Such a place is http://www.bigwords.com/ [bigwords.com] They are a price comparison textbook search engine, and they give you the option of searching for books to rent or buy.
You can even sell back ones that you have bought using their site.
Let this be yet another weapon in your arsenal to use against the exorbitant prices of college these days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587187</id>
	<title>Convenience</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1246818660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If implemented right - it saves first and foremost HUUUUGE amounts of time. Usually also money - while you could resale/etc. books yourself, there will also be those editions you have hard time reselling...</p><p>Yes, the cause of the second problem are schools requiring latest editions. I can see the point in college/etc. level education (though even there only with some portion of books), but there's really not much point in highschool level education.</p><p>And while schools are the cause of complications, they can be also the best solution...if there's some will to do it. Because <b>it's not only about latest editions</b>, it's also about students having <b>the same</b> edition.</p><p>Now, arguably I'm biased, since my highschool was probably the only one in medium sized-town that had a solution - give 1/8 to 1/6 of the price you'd pay yourself at the beginning of the year, and you have all the books needed. And what a convenience, having them just wait for you in the first week. Just give them back, for next year students. Everybody has the same editions, money you give is for partial replacements, oldest editions had typically 10 years.</p><p>Essentially it was for-pay library, with enough copies of each book that everybody had one for themselves.  After "classic" solution of primary school, it was simply superb.</p><p>But it was also evil socialism in action...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If implemented right - it saves first and foremost HUUUUGE amounts of time .
Usually also money - while you could resale/etc .
books yourself , there will also be those editions you have hard time reselling...Yes , the cause of the second problem are schools requiring latest editions .
I can see the point in college/etc .
level education ( though even there only with some portion of books ) , but there 's really not much point in highschool level education.And while schools are the cause of complications , they can be also the best solution...if there 's some will to do it .
Because it 's not only about latest editions , it 's also about students having the same edition.Now , arguably I 'm biased , since my highschool was probably the only one in medium sized-town that had a solution - give 1/8 to 1/6 of the price you 'd pay yourself at the beginning of the year , and you have all the books needed .
And what a convenience , having them just wait for you in the first week .
Just give them back , for next year students .
Everybody has the same editions , money you give is for partial replacements , oldest editions had typically 10 years.Essentially it was for-pay library , with enough copies of each book that everybody had one for themselves .
After " classic " solution of primary school , it was simply superb.But it was also evil socialism in action.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If implemented right - it saves first and foremost HUUUUGE amounts of time.
Usually also money - while you could resale/etc.
books yourself, there will also be those editions you have hard time reselling...Yes, the cause of the second problem are schools requiring latest editions.
I can see the point in college/etc.
level education (though even there only with some portion of books), but there's really not much point in highschool level education.And while schools are the cause of complications, they can be also the best solution...if there's some will to do it.
Because it's not only about latest editions, it's also about students having the same edition.Now, arguably I'm biased, since my highschool was probably the only one in medium sized-town that had a solution - give 1/8 to 1/6 of the price you'd pay yourself at the beginning of the year, and you have all the books needed.
And what a convenience, having them just wait for you in the first week.
Just give them back, for next year students.
Everybody has the same editions, money you give is for partial replacements, oldest editions had typically 10 years.Essentially it was for-pay library, with enough copies of each book that everybody had one for themselves.
After "classic" solution of primary school, it was simply superb.But it was also evil socialism in action...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588577</id>
	<title>I collect textbooks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246788000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess I 'm a beneficiary of the system. In my apt I have hundreds of texts I've bought for a dollar or so. Often these texts have original prices of $100 and upwards. Perhaps they are slightly out of date ( avg 10 years or so) but the basics of the disciplines are all still the same.

I also have a collection of upwards of 60,000 e-texts, but that's a different matter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I 'm a beneficiary of the system .
In my apt I have hundreds of texts I 've bought for a dollar or so .
Often these texts have original prices of $ 100 and upwards .
Perhaps they are slightly out of date ( avg 10 years or so ) but the basics of the disciplines are all still the same .
I also have a collection of upwards of 60,000 e-texts , but that 's a different matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I 'm a beneficiary of the system.
In my apt I have hundreds of texts I've bought for a dollar or so.
Often these texts have original prices of $100 and upwards.
Perhaps they are slightly out of date ( avg 10 years or so) but the basics of the disciplines are all still the same.
I also have a collection of upwards of 60,000 e-texts, but that's a different matter.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28591925</id>
	<title>University Lecturers and New Editions</title>
	<author>Kryptic Knight</author>
	<datestamp>1246913820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Inevitably the people who have a vested interest in SALE of new textbooks are the people who use thier own textbook as a lecture/coursebook.</p><p>I saw this a lot during my years at University, where several lecturers would bring out a new variation every one or two years. We'd all get the "you'll benefit from the extra notes and of course be able to sell the book onto next year's class" and then find out after buying it that the lecturer revised the book slightly every year.</p><p>Anyone with the previous edition of the coursebooks had small but inevitably annoying missing information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Inevitably the people who have a vested interest in SALE of new textbooks are the people who use thier own textbook as a lecture/coursebook.I saw this a lot during my years at University , where several lecturers would bring out a new variation every one or two years .
We 'd all get the " you 'll benefit from the extra notes and of course be able to sell the book onto next year 's class " and then find out after buying it that the lecturer revised the book slightly every year.Anyone with the previous edition of the coursebooks had small but inevitably annoying missing information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Inevitably the people who have a vested interest in SALE of new textbooks are the people who use thier own textbook as a lecture/coursebook.I saw this a lot during my years at University, where several lecturers would bring out a new variation every one or two years.
We'd all get the "you'll benefit from the extra notes and of course be able to sell the book onto next year's class" and then find out after buying it that the lecturer revised the book slightly every year.Anyone with the previous edition of the coursebooks had small but inevitably annoying missing information.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590843</id>
	<title>Sounds like the public school system I attended...</title>
	<author>rnturn</author>
	<datestamp>1246814640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... where we paid a textbook fee and essentially, rented the textbooks for the academic year. You picked them up at the beginning of the year and turned them in at the end. If you beat them up too much, you got charged extra.
</p><p>Of course, that was quite a few years ago. Long before the publishers began the practice of demanding the absolutely ridiculous prices they charge for textbooks nowadays. The last time I went back to my alma mater, I took a trip through the college bookstore. There were a few textbooks that cost as much as what I recall paying for the entire set of texts I needed for a semester. But... even back then, the publishers were doing everything they could to suck every last dime from college students. A non-university book store -- featuring mostly used textbooks (they paid the students more for used texts than the university store) -- opened up just off campus and went through hell to get themselves established. Publishers fought with them at every turn. (The University wasn't all that happy about their opening either.)  Why the University couldn't have negotiated with the publishers to do get better pricing for texts was often asked. (And never answered.) One of these leasing deals would have been welcome, too. While I was able to use many of my textbooks for one than one semester (esp. the Calc and some of the engineering texts) I got stuck with a few that I needed for elective classes that were not accepted to be sold back to the campus book at <i>any</i> price since the text for the next scheduled time that class was going to be offered was going to be different. It sure would have been nice to lease <i>those</i> books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... where we paid a textbook fee and essentially , rented the textbooks for the academic year .
You picked them up at the beginning of the year and turned them in at the end .
If you beat them up too much , you got charged extra .
Of course , that was quite a few years ago .
Long before the publishers began the practice of demanding the absolutely ridiculous prices they charge for textbooks nowadays .
The last time I went back to my alma mater , I took a trip through the college bookstore .
There were a few textbooks that cost as much as what I recall paying for the entire set of texts I needed for a semester .
But... even back then , the publishers were doing everything they could to suck every last dime from college students .
A non-university book store -- featuring mostly used textbooks ( they paid the students more for used texts than the university store ) -- opened up just off campus and went through hell to get themselves established .
Publishers fought with them at every turn .
( The University was n't all that happy about their opening either .
) Why the University could n't have negotiated with the publishers to do get better pricing for texts was often asked .
( And never answered .
) One of these leasing deals would have been welcome , too .
While I was able to use many of my textbooks for one than one semester ( esp .
the Calc and some of the engineering texts ) I got stuck with a few that I needed for elective classes that were not accepted to be sold back to the campus book at any price since the text for the next scheduled time that class was going to be offered was going to be different .
It sure would have been nice to lease those books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... where we paid a textbook fee and essentially, rented the textbooks for the academic year.
You picked them up at the beginning of the year and turned them in at the end.
If you beat them up too much, you got charged extra.
Of course, that was quite a few years ago.
Long before the publishers began the practice of demanding the absolutely ridiculous prices they charge for textbooks nowadays.
The last time I went back to my alma mater, I took a trip through the college bookstore.
There were a few textbooks that cost as much as what I recall paying for the entire set of texts I needed for a semester.
But... even back then, the publishers were doing everything they could to suck every last dime from college students.
A non-university book store -- featuring mostly used textbooks (they paid the students more for used texts than the university store) -- opened up just off campus and went through hell to get themselves established.
Publishers fought with them at every turn.
(The University wasn't all that happy about their opening either.
)  Why the University couldn't have negotiated with the publishers to do get better pricing for texts was often asked.
(And never answered.
) One of these leasing deals would have been welcome, too.
While I was able to use many of my textbooks for one than one semester (esp.
the Calc and some of the engineering texts) I got stuck with a few that I needed for elective classes that were not accepted to be sold back to the campus book at any price since the text for the next scheduled time that class was going to be offered was going to be different.
It sure would have been nice to lease those books.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587089</id>
	<title>Re:In France you get book loaned or rented</title>
	<author>Zey</author>
	<datestamp>1246817820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Australia, we were encouraged to buy textbooks in highschool and uni but not overly penalised if we bought second-hand. Assignment questions were handed out separately and not those from the book; the ones in the book we'd use during classes to revise with.</p><p>I'm very glad not to have had American university lecturers, from the sound of things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Australia , we were encouraged to buy textbooks in highschool and uni but not overly penalised if we bought second-hand .
Assignment questions were handed out separately and not those from the book ; the ones in the book we 'd use during classes to revise with.I 'm very glad not to have had American university lecturers , from the sound of things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Australia, we were encouraged to buy textbooks in highschool and uni but not overly penalised if we bought second-hand.
Assignment questions were handed out separately and not those from the book; the ones in the book we'd use during classes to revise with.I'm very glad not to have had American university lecturers, from the sound of things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28591771</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Lunzo</author>
	<datestamp>1246911180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A computer science degree isn't the same as a technical certificate. Computer science is about the philosophy behind how computers work and why they are designed the way they are. Technical certificates are about getting real, hands-on, practical things done on computers, but having a limited understanding of the insides of them.</p><p>A good example would be my networks subject. We learned about all the levels of the networking stack from application layer (email, http etc) right down to physical layer (electric or light pulses on a wire). The material on routing dealt with topics such as why we need routers, different routing algorithms and the graph theory behind these algorithms, how the internet routes around damage... Not once did we have to configure anything on a router and nor should we have had to - that isn't the point of university.</p><p>Good university students, who want a job in the industry when they graduate, would apply their knowledge - typically by learning the practical applications in their own time. Yes we had plenty of programming assignments, but doing all the assignments would not be enough practical experience to be ready for the work force. Or if a graduate with no outside uni experience went into the workforce then you'd need to give them some time to learn the skills required for their job. At the very least they should be able to demonstrate their learning and research abilities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A computer science degree is n't the same as a technical certificate .
Computer science is about the philosophy behind how computers work and why they are designed the way they are .
Technical certificates are about getting real , hands-on , practical things done on computers , but having a limited understanding of the insides of them.A good example would be my networks subject .
We learned about all the levels of the networking stack from application layer ( email , http etc ) right down to physical layer ( electric or light pulses on a wire ) .
The material on routing dealt with topics such as why we need routers , different routing algorithms and the graph theory behind these algorithms , how the internet routes around damage... Not once did we have to configure anything on a router and nor should we have had to - that is n't the point of university.Good university students , who want a job in the industry when they graduate , would apply their knowledge - typically by learning the practical applications in their own time .
Yes we had plenty of programming assignments , but doing all the assignments would not be enough practical experience to be ready for the work force .
Or if a graduate with no outside uni experience went into the workforce then you 'd need to give them some time to learn the skills required for their job .
At the very least they should be able to demonstrate their learning and research abilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A computer science degree isn't the same as a technical certificate.
Computer science is about the philosophy behind how computers work and why they are designed the way they are.
Technical certificates are about getting real, hands-on, practical things done on computers, but having a limited understanding of the insides of them.A good example would be my networks subject.
We learned about all the levels of the networking stack from application layer (email, http etc) right down to physical layer (electric or light pulses on a wire).
The material on routing dealt with topics such as why we need routers, different routing algorithms and the graph theory behind these algorithms, how the internet routes around damage... Not once did we have to configure anything on a router and nor should we have had to - that isn't the point of university.Good university students, who want a job in the industry when they graduate, would apply their knowledge - typically by learning the practical applications in their own time.
Yes we had plenty of programming assignments, but doing all the assignments would not be enough practical experience to be ready for the work force.
Or if a graduate with no outside uni experience went into the workforce then you'd need to give them some time to learn the skills required for their job.
At the very least they should be able to demonstrate their learning and research abilities.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28592065</id>
	<title>I've heard tell...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246872360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..of a mythical place called  'liberarey'(?) or something like that where you can 'rent' text-books and stuff? Apparently they had one at college but nobody knew where it was...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..of a mythical place called 'liberarey ' ( ?
) or something like that where you can 'rent ' text-books and stuff ?
Apparently they had one at college but nobody knew where it was.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..of a mythical place called  'liberarey'(?
) or something like that where you can 'rent' text-books and stuff?
Apparently they had one at college but nobody knew where it was...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587265</id>
	<title>Re:Hey Faggots,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246819560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get straight As? Sounds like you're a High schooler with zero actual power or real life skills or experience, otherwise "I maintain a 4.0 GPA" would be the thing to say (do remember that if you plan on doing this troll again). Well, I've a decent job, an ok social life, plus contempt at silly creatures such as yourself who consider their childish accomplishments to actually mean anything instead of looking at them as only a good start. You're good at sports, and academics? Great, now figure how to apply them to real life. Also, getting laid? 50\% of the population is female, as long as you're patient, somewhat social, and not outright disgusting, getting some is trivial.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get straight As ?
Sounds like you 're a High schooler with zero actual power or real life skills or experience , otherwise " I maintain a 4.0 GPA " would be the thing to say ( do remember that if you plan on doing this troll again ) .
Well , I 've a decent job , an ok social life , plus contempt at silly creatures such as yourself who consider their childish accomplishments to actually mean anything instead of looking at them as only a good start .
You 're good at sports , and academics ?
Great , now figure how to apply them to real life .
Also , getting laid ?
50 \ % of the population is female , as long as you 're patient , somewhat social , and not outright disgusting , getting some is trivial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get straight As?
Sounds like you're a High schooler with zero actual power or real life skills or experience, otherwise "I maintain a 4.0 GPA" would be the thing to say (do remember that if you plan on doing this troll again).
Well, I've a decent job, an ok social life, plus contempt at silly creatures such as yourself who consider their childish accomplishments to actually mean anything instead of looking at them as only a good start.
You're good at sports, and academics?
Great, now figure how to apply them to real life.
Also, getting laid?
50\% of the population is female, as long as you're patient, somewhat social, and not outright disgusting, getting some is trivial.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28592329</id>
	<title>Prior art?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246876380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Strange, here in the Netherlands some schools already run a textbook service. You rent the books from the school, at the end of the semester you return the books and they are checked for damage (will cost you extra). The begin of the semester has everybody making protective covers for their textbooks. The big advantage is that the schools decide which edition is used and buy the books in bulk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Strange , here in the Netherlands some schools already run a textbook service .
You rent the books from the school , at the end of the semester you return the books and they are checked for damage ( will cost you extra ) .
The begin of the semester has everybody making protective covers for their textbooks .
The big advantage is that the schools decide which edition is used and buy the books in bulk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strange, here in the Netherlands some schools already run a textbook service.
You rent the books from the school, at the end of the semester you return the books and they are checked for damage (will cost you extra).
The begin of the semester has everybody making protective covers for their textbooks.
The big advantage is that the schools decide which edition is used and buy the books in bulk.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588291</id>
	<title>Re:Their costs are your costs.</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1246785420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm, $150 per book is cheap.  Where I went to school, text books cost the equivalent of about $500 each.  So we made extensive use of 2nd hand book stores and illegal photocopying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , $ 150 per book is cheap .
Where I went to school , text books cost the equivalent of about $ 500 each .
So we made extensive use of 2nd hand book stores and illegal photocopying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, $150 per book is cheap.
Where I went to school, text books cost the equivalent of about $500 each.
So we made extensive use of 2nd hand book stores and illegal photocopying.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587987</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1246826340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field."</p><p>That depends very much on the field.  I'm sure there are some where that is the case.  In many, many fields the guys teaching are taking a couple hours of the day out from "doing it" in order to teach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Most , but not all , instructors are teaching because they ca n't hack it in the real world of their chosen field .
" That depends very much on the field .
I 'm sure there are some where that is the case .
In many , many fields the guys teaching are taking a couple hours of the day out from " doing it " in order to teach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field.
"That depends very much on the field.
I'm sure there are some where that is the case.
In many, many fields the guys teaching are taking a couple hours of the day out from "doing it" in order to teach.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28592155</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1246873680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems it was more about business than statistics...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems it was more about business than statistics.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems it was more about business than statistics...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587437</id>
	<title>Re:Does this really save that much money?</title>
	<author>Cor-cor</author>
	<datestamp>1246821180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to love Chegg.  It started out working as essentially an online classified geared towards books, and since it started at Iowa State, the school I go to, there were plenty of people using it, and it wound up being a very good deal, taking the cost of books per semester down to almost nothing (except of course when they switched editions every few years).</p><p>Now that they're pushing their rental service so hard, it's a lot harder to save as much money.  I couldn't find any of my books used last semester, which may be due to my major classes getting more specialized and smaller, so I decided to give them a try.  They usually rent at 40-60\% the cost of a new book, which I suppose still saves money on both ends when you figure in the new edition cycle.  However, it is more expensive if you end up keeping the book, and so I suppose I'll end up going to the bookstore again for anything I can't mooch of older friends next year.</p><p>Basically it differs from the typical cycle of buying and selling back in that you get a slightly better deal in exchange for letting them know ahead of time that you will be giving it back at the end of semester.  Works well in a lot of cases, but it does imply that you expect no lasting value from the book and generally turn out to be correct.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to love Chegg .
It started out working as essentially an online classified geared towards books , and since it started at Iowa State , the school I go to , there were plenty of people using it , and it wound up being a very good deal , taking the cost of books per semester down to almost nothing ( except of course when they switched editions every few years ) .Now that they 're pushing their rental service so hard , it 's a lot harder to save as much money .
I could n't find any of my books used last semester , which may be due to my major classes getting more specialized and smaller , so I decided to give them a try .
They usually rent at 40-60 \ % the cost of a new book , which I suppose still saves money on both ends when you figure in the new edition cycle .
However , it is more expensive if you end up keeping the book , and so I suppose I 'll end up going to the bookstore again for anything I ca n't mooch of older friends next year.Basically it differs from the typical cycle of buying and selling back in that you get a slightly better deal in exchange for letting them know ahead of time that you will be giving it back at the end of semester .
Works well in a lot of cases , but it does imply that you expect no lasting value from the book and generally turn out to be correct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to love Chegg.
It started out working as essentially an online classified geared towards books, and since it started at Iowa State, the school I go to, there were plenty of people using it, and it wound up being a very good deal, taking the cost of books per semester down to almost nothing (except of course when they switched editions every few years).Now that they're pushing their rental service so hard, it's a lot harder to save as much money.
I couldn't find any of my books used last semester, which may be due to my major classes getting more specialized and smaller, so I decided to give them a try.
They usually rent at 40-60\% the cost of a new book, which I suppose still saves money on both ends when you figure in the new edition cycle.
However, it is more expensive if you end up keeping the book, and so I suppose I'll end up going to the bookstore again for anything I can't mooch of older friends next year.Basically it differs from the typical cycle of buying and selling back in that you get a slightly better deal in exchange for letting them know ahead of time that you will be giving it back at the end of semester.
Works well in a lot of cases, but it does imply that you expect no lasting value from the book and generally turn out to be correct.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589637</id>
	<title>Mod ridiculous post down.</title>
	<author>kklein</author>
	<datestamp>1246799580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You did forget to mention when the instructor requires that you buy HIS book as required reading for the class, regardless of what ego-fluffing crap he had written.</p></div><p>And what if he/she happens to be one of the world's experts on the field? I have never bought a textbook written by a prof that was as people often imply: nothing more than a way to gain more income. The few I've used have been excellent. Also, universities have ethics boards for exactly this reason; if you are going to require a book that will end up giving you royalties, you have to demonstrate there is not a better one, or work something out with the publisher so that it's cheaper for your students (I had this once--our price was substantially lower than retail, because the prof. was not getting royalties--his idea; it's also a great book. Sitting right next to me now, 10 years later).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field.</p></div><p>Bullshit. In fact, it's such ridiculous bullshit, I can't believe I'm replying, but:
</p><ul> <li>Many profs have gone out into the "real world" (BTW, research and training are not "real"???), succeeded, and decided to "give back" by going into academia. It's their working retirement, and you get the benefit of their years of experience.</li>
<li>Many profs are actually driving their chosen fields with their research. It is always frustrating to hear people who got a bachelor's go on about their profs' jobs, as if they had ever seen them at their <i>real</i> jobs: researching. Teaching is far from all a prof does. Most of his/her time/energy goes into research, trying to push the field further into new territory. For the privilege of doing this, they are expected to share their knowledge with those "younger" than them.</li>
<li>The requirement to teach a course is not to be the world's expert on the topic, but to know more than the students, so yeah, sometimes you'll get a prof. who isn't that up on the topic. Talk to the administration, not the prof. It's probably not his/her major field, and he/she might be as irritated about the fact that he/she is the teacher as you are. Educational administration is every bit as dunderheaded as in enterprise. They don't know who their employees are or what they do.</li></ul><p>Finally, there's your example, which is insane.

</p><p>If I were looking for someone to fix my drain, I'd look for a plumber, not a PhD in fluid dynamics. I once saw a hilarious <i>Junkyard Wars</i> episode where there was a team of NASA physicists vs. a team of guys who had a well-regarded lowrider shop in Miami. I'm sure you can guess who won. Just because theoretical knowledge does not always map to real-world skill does not mean that theoretical knowledge is useless--the real world skill is a physical manifestation of the work done by the theorists. The former simply would not exist without the latter, and the latter is far, far more difficult to learn than the former. As in your example, a guy with no education can set up your server, but if he wanted to learn all the stuff the PhD knows, it would take the 10 or so years the PhD spent. On the other hand, if you had hired the PhD, you might have a bumpy few weeks or even months, but he'd fill in the practical gaps in his theoretical knowledge and you'd be fine.

</p><p>You might even be better off.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You did forget to mention when the instructor requires that you buy HIS book as required reading for the class , regardless of what ego-fluffing crap he had written.And what if he/she happens to be one of the world 's experts on the field ?
I have never bought a textbook written by a prof that was as people often imply : nothing more than a way to gain more income .
The few I 've used have been excellent .
Also , universities have ethics boards for exactly this reason ; if you are going to require a book that will end up giving you royalties , you have to demonstrate there is not a better one , or work something out with the publisher so that it 's cheaper for your students ( I had this once--our price was substantially lower than retail , because the prof. was not getting royalties--his idea ; it 's also a great book .
Sitting right next to me now , 10 years later ) .Most , but not all , instructors are teaching because they ca n't hack it in the real world of their chosen field.Bullshit .
In fact , it 's such ridiculous bullshit , I ca n't believe I 'm replying , but : Many profs have gone out into the " real world " ( BTW , research and training are not " real " ? ? ?
) , succeeded , and decided to " give back " by going into academia .
It 's their working retirement , and you get the benefit of their years of experience .
Many profs are actually driving their chosen fields with their research .
It is always frustrating to hear people who got a bachelor 's go on about their profs ' jobs , as if they had ever seen them at their real jobs : researching .
Teaching is far from all a prof does .
Most of his/her time/energy goes into research , trying to push the field further into new territory .
For the privilege of doing this , they are expected to share their knowledge with those " younger " than them .
The requirement to teach a course is not to be the world 's expert on the topic , but to know more than the students , so yeah , sometimes you 'll get a prof. who is n't that up on the topic .
Talk to the administration , not the prof. It 's probably not his/her major field , and he/she might be as irritated about the fact that he/she is the teacher as you are .
Educational administration is every bit as dunderheaded as in enterprise .
They do n't know who their employees are or what they do.Finally , there 's your example , which is insane .
If I were looking for someone to fix my drain , I 'd look for a plumber , not a PhD in fluid dynamics .
I once saw a hilarious Junkyard Wars episode where there was a team of NASA physicists vs. a team of guys who had a well-regarded lowrider shop in Miami .
I 'm sure you can guess who won .
Just because theoretical knowledge does not always map to real-world skill does not mean that theoretical knowledge is useless--the real world skill is a physical manifestation of the work done by the theorists .
The former simply would not exist without the latter , and the latter is far , far more difficult to learn than the former .
As in your example , a guy with no education can set up your server , but if he wanted to learn all the stuff the PhD knows , it would take the 10 or so years the PhD spent .
On the other hand , if you had hired the PhD , you might have a bumpy few weeks or even months , but he 'd fill in the practical gaps in his theoretical knowledge and you 'd be fine .
You might even be better off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You did forget to mention when the instructor requires that you buy HIS book as required reading for the class, regardless of what ego-fluffing crap he had written.And what if he/she happens to be one of the world's experts on the field?
I have never bought a textbook written by a prof that was as people often imply: nothing more than a way to gain more income.
The few I've used have been excellent.
Also, universities have ethics boards for exactly this reason; if you are going to require a book that will end up giving you royalties, you have to demonstrate there is not a better one, or work something out with the publisher so that it's cheaper for your students (I had this once--our price was substantially lower than retail, because the prof. was not getting royalties--his idea; it's also a great book.
Sitting right next to me now, 10 years later).Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field.Bullshit.
In fact, it's such ridiculous bullshit, I can't believe I'm replying, but:
 Many profs have gone out into the "real world" (BTW, research and training are not "real"???
), succeeded, and decided to "give back" by going into academia.
It's their working retirement, and you get the benefit of their years of experience.
Many profs are actually driving their chosen fields with their research.
It is always frustrating to hear people who got a bachelor's go on about their profs' jobs, as if they had ever seen them at their real jobs: researching.
Teaching is far from all a prof does.
Most of his/her time/energy goes into research, trying to push the field further into new territory.
For the privilege of doing this, they are expected to share their knowledge with those "younger" than them.
The requirement to teach a course is not to be the world's expert on the topic, but to know more than the students, so yeah, sometimes you'll get a prof. who isn't that up on the topic.
Talk to the administration, not the prof. It's probably not his/her major field, and he/she might be as irritated about the fact that he/she is the teacher as you are.
Educational administration is every bit as dunderheaded as in enterprise.
They don't know who their employees are or what they do.Finally, there's your example, which is insane.
If I were looking for someone to fix my drain, I'd look for a plumber, not a PhD in fluid dynamics.
I once saw a hilarious Junkyard Wars episode where there was a team of NASA physicists vs. a team of guys who had a well-regarded lowrider shop in Miami.
I'm sure you can guess who won.
Just because theoretical knowledge does not always map to real-world skill does not mean that theoretical knowledge is useless--the real world skill is a physical manifestation of the work done by the theorists.
The former simply would not exist without the latter, and the latter is far, far more difficult to learn than the former.
As in your example, a guy with no education can set up your server, but if he wanted to learn all the stuff the PhD knows, it would take the 10 or so years the PhD spent.
On the other hand, if you had hired the PhD, you might have a bumpy few weeks or even months, but he'd fill in the practical gaps in his theoretical knowledge and you'd be fine.
You might even be better off.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589881</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>rmdir -r *</author>
	<datestamp>1246802520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> We already have a free, open source, modifiable text for every topic. It's called Wikipedia and it's the living embodiment of why we have professional, accountable, paid editors for text books</p></div></blockquote><p>

The difference between an open source software project and Wikipedia is that with software there are gatekeepers, so you can't commit nonsense, so you can keep standards high, etc.

Why, exactly, is that not acceptable for a textbook project?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We already have a free , open source , modifiable text for every topic .
It 's called Wikipedia and it 's the living embodiment of why we have professional , accountable , paid editors for text books The difference between an open source software project and Wikipedia is that with software there are gatekeepers , so you ca n't commit nonsense , so you can keep standards high , etc .
Why , exactly , is that not acceptable for a textbook project ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> We already have a free, open source, modifiable text for every topic.
It's called Wikipedia and it's the living embodiment of why we have professional, accountable, paid editors for text books

The difference between an open source software project and Wikipedia is that with software there are gatekeepers, so you can't commit nonsense, so you can keep standards high, etc.
Why, exactly, is that not acceptable for a textbook project?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588137</id>
	<title>Allen County</title>
	<author>Auxis</author>
	<datestamp>1246827480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Allen County Community College in Iola, Kansas and its satellite school in Burlingame, Kansas rent out textbooks.  At the end of the semester you simply return the books and that's it.  It's a pretty good deal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Allen County Community College in Iola , Kansas and its satellite school in Burlingame , Kansas rent out textbooks .
At the end of the semester you simply return the books and that 's it .
It 's a pretty good deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Allen County Community College in Iola, Kansas and its satellite school in Burlingame, Kansas rent out textbooks.
At the end of the semester you simply return the books and that's it.
It's a pretty good deal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587505</id>
	<title>Some Schools Do</title>
	<author>Dusanyu</author>
	<datestamp>1246821840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The university of Wisconsin Whitewater has a textbook rental service. <a href="http://www.uww.edu/StdRsces/textbook/index.html" title="uww.edu" rel="nofollow">http://www.uww.edu/StdRsces/textbook/index.html</a> [uww.edu] the rental fees and cost of useing te service are part of the seg. fees</htmltext>
<tokenext>The university of Wisconsin Whitewater has a textbook rental service .
http : //www.uww.edu/StdRsces/textbook/index.html [ uww.edu ] the rental fees and cost of useing te service are part of the seg .
fees</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The university of Wisconsin Whitewater has a textbook rental service.
http://www.uww.edu/StdRsces/textbook/index.html [uww.edu] the rental fees and cost of useing te service are part of the seg.
fees</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587523</id>
	<title>Never bought a college text until senior year</title>
	<author>LinkX39</author>
	<datestamp>1246822020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was apparently one of the lucky few to never have to worry about this issue. My university (<a href="http://www.siue.edu/" title="siue.edu" rel="nofollow">Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville</a> [siue.edu], not too far from St. Louis) rented out texts themselves. I knew we were in the minority but I was actually shocked to not see any other posters state their universities did the same. Each semester the weekend prior to the first week of classes I would stop by the Textbook Services building, print out a list of text books and search the aisles for whatever was on the list. At the end of the semester I'd return the books and be done with them. The most I remember paying for the rental fee was just over $150, for 4 or 5 classes. Great system, and at the end of the semester if you felt the text would be valuable to you in the future you can buy it at a discounted price (it's used after all).<br> <br>

It wasn't until my 400 level classes that I had to buy texts, and even then it was only for 2 of the classes. It really helped cut costs nicely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was apparently one of the lucky few to never have to worry about this issue .
My university ( Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville [ siue.edu ] , not too far from St. Louis ) rented out texts themselves .
I knew we were in the minority but I was actually shocked to not see any other posters state their universities did the same .
Each semester the weekend prior to the first week of classes I would stop by the Textbook Services building , print out a list of text books and search the aisles for whatever was on the list .
At the end of the semester I 'd return the books and be done with them .
The most I remember paying for the rental fee was just over $ 150 , for 4 or 5 classes .
Great system , and at the end of the semester if you felt the text would be valuable to you in the future you can buy it at a discounted price ( it 's used after all ) .
It was n't until my 400 level classes that I had to buy texts , and even then it was only for 2 of the classes .
It really helped cut costs nicely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was apparently one of the lucky few to never have to worry about this issue.
My university (Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville [siue.edu], not too far from St. Louis) rented out texts themselves.
I knew we were in the minority but I was actually shocked to not see any other posters state their universities did the same.
Each semester the weekend prior to the first week of classes I would stop by the Textbook Services building, print out a list of text books and search the aisles for whatever was on the list.
At the end of the semester I'd return the books and be done with them.
The most I remember paying for the rental fee was just over $150, for 4 or 5 classes.
Great system, and at the end of the semester if you felt the text would be valuable to you in the future you can buy it at a discounted price (it's used after all).
It wasn't until my 400 level classes that I had to buy texts, and even then it was only for 2 of the classes.
It really helped cut costs nicely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589903</id>
	<title>SHhhhh</title>
	<author>kentsin</author>
	<datestamp>1246802760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think future textbook were licensed not published.</p><p>Pray that not happen</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think future textbook were licensed not published.Pray that not happen</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think future textbook were licensed not published.Pray that not happen</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28593205</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>turkeyfish</author>
	<datestamp>1246887600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field."</p><p>Those who hold this notion obviously have a very limited understanding of academia.</p><p>At least in the world of science, scientist covet teaching positions, particularly at prestigious universities, as this provides them the opportunity to seek competitive grants to conduct "leading edge" research and to have access to the smartest and most capable students to assist them in pushing the envelope.  If you work for a private company or a government entity, you have very severe restrictions on the direction your own research takes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Most , but not all , instructors are teaching because they ca n't hack it in the real world of their chosen field .
" Those who hold this notion obviously have a very limited understanding of academia.At least in the world of science , scientist covet teaching positions , particularly at prestigious universities , as this provides them the opportunity to seek competitive grants to conduct " leading edge " research and to have access to the smartest and most capable students to assist them in pushing the envelope .
If you work for a private company or a government entity , you have very severe restrictions on the direction your own research takes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Most, but not all, instructors are teaching because they can't hack it in the real world of their chosen field.
"Those who hold this notion obviously have a very limited understanding of academia.At least in the world of science, scientist covet teaching positions, particularly at prestigious universities, as this provides them the opportunity to seek competitive grants to conduct "leading edge" research and to have access to the smartest and most capable students to assist them in pushing the envelope.
If you work for a private company or a government entity, you have very severe restrictions on the direction your own research takes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28592655</id>
	<title>Re: remember??!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246882020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Remember?  Remember?  Google, or google not. There is no 'remember'."</p><p>-- With apologies to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... umm, you know... that little wrinkled guy in that old film about forces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Remember ?
Remember ? Google , or google not .
There is no 'remember' .
" -- With apologies to ... umm , you know... that little wrinkled guy in that old film about forces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Remember?
Remember?  Google, or google not.
There is no 'remember'.
"-- With apologies to ... umm, you know... that little wrinkled guy in that old film about forces.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587185</id>
	<title>Re:Hey Faggots,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246818660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow straight A's. Very impressive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow straight A 's .
Very impressive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow straight A's.
Very impressive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588529</id>
	<title>Textbook publishers won't allow it....</title>
	<author>Slugster</author>
	<datestamp>1246787400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The concept of renting textbooks will fail, as far as my limited (USA) college experience goes. <br> <br>
Too many book companies bundle a book with some bullshit CD content (no returns after the software is opened, of course) and an online service for providing automatically-graded quizzes. The teacher uses the online quiz thing because that's easier than doing it themselves--but the quiz server is controlled not by the teacher or the college, but by the book publisher. <br>
<br>
Every new book comes with a password (usually inside the software package) and that password is only good for one length of that course. After that, the publisher cancels the used passwords, and the result of this practice is that <i>everybody</i> has to buy a new book every year. Any "books" that had the password used have basically no value at all, because their passwords won't work for the online quiz system anymore. <br>
<br>
This is why computers in the [general] classroom has failed in the USA--and why it will <b>continue</b> to fail into the foreseeable future. <br>
<br>
Textbook publishers only see e-books as an easy means to pirate their products, and so they have no interest in supplying electronic versions. What use of computers they do engage in, they have only used it as a means to render used books practically worthless. <br>
~</htmltext>
<tokenext>The concept of renting textbooks will fail , as far as my limited ( USA ) college experience goes .
Too many book companies bundle a book with some bullshit CD content ( no returns after the software is opened , of course ) and an online service for providing automatically-graded quizzes .
The teacher uses the online quiz thing because that 's easier than doing it themselves--but the quiz server is controlled not by the teacher or the college , but by the book publisher .
Every new book comes with a password ( usually inside the software package ) and that password is only good for one length of that course .
After that , the publisher cancels the used passwords , and the result of this practice is that everybody has to buy a new book every year .
Any " books " that had the password used have basically no value at all , because their passwords wo n't work for the online quiz system anymore .
This is why computers in the [ general ] classroom has failed in the USA--and why it will continue to fail into the foreseeable future .
Textbook publishers only see e-books as an easy means to pirate their products , and so they have no interest in supplying electronic versions .
What use of computers they do engage in , they have only used it as a means to render used books practically worthless .
~</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The concept of renting textbooks will fail, as far as my limited (USA) college experience goes.
Too many book companies bundle a book with some bullshit CD content (no returns after the software is opened, of course) and an online service for providing automatically-graded quizzes.
The teacher uses the online quiz thing because that's easier than doing it themselves--but the quiz server is controlled not by the teacher or the college, but by the book publisher.
Every new book comes with a password (usually inside the software package) and that password is only good for one length of that course.
After that, the publisher cancels the used passwords, and the result of this practice is that everybody has to buy a new book every year.
Any "books" that had the password used have basically no value at all, because their passwords won't work for the online quiz system anymore.
This is why computers in the [general] classroom has failed in the USA--and why it will continue to fail into the foreseeable future.
Textbook publishers only see e-books as an easy means to pirate their products, and so they have no interest in supplying electronic versions.
What use of computers they do engage in, they have only used it as a means to render used books practically worthless.
~</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588215</id>
	<title>RE: 4chan stupidity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246784880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My god, it's years old copypasta from 4chan. Don't feed the troll.</p><p>Slashdot's lameness filter also blocked me from submitting, so here is some boring, (almost) pointless text.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My god , it 's years old copypasta from 4chan .
Do n't feed the troll.Slashdot 's lameness filter also blocked me from submitting , so here is some boring , ( almost ) pointless text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My god, it's years old copypasta from 4chan.
Don't feed the troll.Slashdot's lameness filter also blocked me from submitting, so here is some boring, (almost) pointless text.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590663</id>
	<title>Re:Does this really save that much money?</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1246812300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I rented from Chegg back in winter quarter. The book was about $120 at the bookstore and $80 through Chegg. The best I could find otherwise online was ~$100*. It would probably be better for me to buy one and resell it directly (not through the bookstore), but Chegg takes up the risk of edition changes or a hard time finding a buyer. I don't think I'll use them a lot, just if I can't find a better deal and the course isn't offered the next term (for resell). The relevant point: they can often make up the cost after 2-3 rentals, and pick up more of the tab when students buy the book post-rental.<br> <br>
*I usually use Bigwords and half.com to find good deals. I also email professors ahead of time to see if using the old edition is feasible. Buying an old edition for $8 is worth the hassle of trying to get a copy of the homework from a classmate when the new edition is $120.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I rented from Chegg back in winter quarter .
The book was about $ 120 at the bookstore and $ 80 through Chegg .
The best I could find otherwise online was ~ $ 100 * .
It would probably be better for me to buy one and resell it directly ( not through the bookstore ) , but Chegg takes up the risk of edition changes or a hard time finding a buyer .
I do n't think I 'll use them a lot , just if I ca n't find a better deal and the course is n't offered the next term ( for resell ) .
The relevant point : they can often make up the cost after 2-3 rentals , and pick up more of the tab when students buy the book post-rental .
* I usually use Bigwords and half.com to find good deals .
I also email professors ahead of time to see if using the old edition is feasible .
Buying an old edition for $ 8 is worth the hassle of trying to get a copy of the homework from a classmate when the new edition is $ 120 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rented from Chegg back in winter quarter.
The book was about $120 at the bookstore and $80 through Chegg.
The best I could find otherwise online was ~$100*.
It would probably be better for me to buy one and resell it directly (not through the bookstore), but Chegg takes up the risk of edition changes or a hard time finding a buyer.
I don't think I'll use them a lot, just if I can't find a better deal and the course isn't offered the next term (for resell).
The relevant point: they can often make up the cost after 2-3 rentals, and pick up more of the tab when students buy the book post-rental.
*I usually use Bigwords and half.com to find good deals.
I also email professors ahead of time to see if using the old edition is feasible.
Buying an old edition for $8 is worth the hassle of trying to get a copy of the homework from a classmate when the new edition is $120.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28592785</id>
	<title>Why require textbooks anyway?</title>
	<author>Dominic</author>
	<datestamp>1246883700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do universities in the US really depend on textbooks that much? I guess it depends on your degree, but when I did mine (in computer science) there was no requirement to buy or use any textbooks at all - you learn everything you need to know by taking notes in lectures, attending practical sessions, and the handouts given in lectures.</p><p>I would argue that any lecturer who requires the students to use a book, at least in computer science, shouldn't be teaching at a university.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do universities in the US really depend on textbooks that much ?
I guess it depends on your degree , but when I did mine ( in computer science ) there was no requirement to buy or use any textbooks at all - you learn everything you need to know by taking notes in lectures , attending practical sessions , and the handouts given in lectures.I would argue that any lecturer who requires the students to use a book , at least in computer science , should n't be teaching at a university .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do universities in the US really depend on textbooks that much?
I guess it depends on your degree, but when I did mine (in computer science) there was no requirement to buy or use any textbooks at all - you learn everything you need to know by taking notes in lectures, attending practical sessions, and the handouts given in lectures.I would argue that any lecturer who requires the students to use a book, at least in computer science, shouldn't be teaching at a university.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589109</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246793280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; You hit the PhD's qualification on the 3rd part.  It wasn't that he spent years at a university.  It wasn't that he got his PhD.  He spent years in the industry, and learned how things really work.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Consider this.  I took an intro to computers course once.  The teacher had a PhD in computer science.  He didn't have the basic fundamentals of current computer technology, and recited the dated information from the book as fact, rather than being able to say "Oh, this book is outdated.  He could count in Base 2.  That I was almost impressed in.  If he was using a cheat sheet during his lecture or not, I don't know.  Over the course of the first few days, through various discussions, he realized that I was actually well briefed on modern computer technology, and he would ask me for clarification of topics and to assist students.  When I wasn't doing that, I entertained myself by sitting in the back and writing stupid graphics programs in QuickBasic.  I only used QB, because it was on the machines.  Anything I could accomplish in an hour, I did, then I deleted it at the end of the day.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; In time, since he was the department head, and most knowledgeable person on staff, I knew I wasn't going to learn anything there, and went back to freelancing.  It may not have earned me a degree, but I did learn from doing real world work and troubleshooting.  I made more money over the next 4 years than I would have wasted in school, and have been accomplishing more than my college educated peers since then.  I've done tech support through C-level jobs.  The last I heard, he was still teaching at that school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>    You hit the PhD 's qualification on the 3rd part .
It was n't that he spent years at a university .
It was n't that he got his PhD .
He spent years in the industry , and learned how things really work .
    Consider this .
I took an intro to computers course once .
The teacher had a PhD in computer science .
He did n't have the basic fundamentals of current computer technology , and recited the dated information from the book as fact , rather than being able to say " Oh , this book is outdated .
He could count in Base 2 .
That I was almost impressed in .
If he was using a cheat sheet during his lecture or not , I do n't know .
Over the course of the first few days , through various discussions , he realized that I was actually well briefed on modern computer technology , and he would ask me for clarification of topics and to assist students .
When I was n't doing that , I entertained myself by sitting in the back and writing stupid graphics programs in QuickBasic .
I only used QB , because it was on the machines .
Anything I could accomplish in an hour , I did , then I deleted it at the end of the day .
    In time , since he was the department head , and most knowledgeable person on staff , I knew I was n't going to learn anything there , and went back to freelancing .
It may not have earned me a degree , but I did learn from doing real world work and troubleshooting .
I made more money over the next 4 years than I would have wasted in school , and have been accomplishing more than my college educated peers since then .
I 've done tech support through C-level jobs .
The last I heard , he was still teaching at that school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
    You hit the PhD's qualification on the 3rd part.
It wasn't that he spent years at a university.
It wasn't that he got his PhD.
He spent years in the industry, and learned how things really work.
    Consider this.
I took an intro to computers course once.
The teacher had a PhD in computer science.
He didn't have the basic fundamentals of current computer technology, and recited the dated information from the book as fact, rather than being able to say "Oh, this book is outdated.
He could count in Base 2.
That I was almost impressed in.
If he was using a cheat sheet during his lecture or not, I don't know.
Over the course of the first few days, through various discussions, he realized that I was actually well briefed on modern computer technology, and he would ask me for clarification of topics and to assist students.
When I wasn't doing that, I entertained myself by sitting in the back and writing stupid graphics programs in QuickBasic.
I only used QB, because it was on the machines.
Anything I could accomplish in an hour, I did, then I deleted it at the end of the day.
    In time, since he was the department head, and most knowledgeable person on staff, I knew I wasn't going to learn anything there, and went back to freelancing.
It may not have earned me a degree, but I did learn from doing real world work and troubleshooting.
I made more money over the next 4 years than I would have wasted in school, and have been accomplishing more than my college educated peers since then.
I've done tech support through C-level jobs.
The last I heard, he was still teaching at that school.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590477</id>
	<title>My take...</title>
	<author>KingAlanI</author>
	<datestamp>1246809960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've found that I can successfully get through some classes without the textbook; thing is, I often don't manage to figure that out until a few weeks in.<br>Often, I won't need to the textbook to actually *learn* the material, but I need it to get ahold of the homework questions. (I live off-campus, so it would be a PITA to borrow the book from a classmate, who's probably on a tight schedule to get the homework done himself.)<br>[Charitably thinking], perhaps the books are assigned because some other students learn in a matter that means *they* *do* need them.</p><p>I make a point of asking the professor for the booklist before the quarter starts; that way I have some lead time to get it off of Amazon or whatever (Maybe I could be more adventurous in choosing online bookstores, but they still 0wn the campus bookstore)<br>Heck, about all I use the campus bookstore for is double-checking that I have the right ISBNs</p><p>Have had trouble finding students who are about to be in class such-and-such to sell the book to. Out of pride if nothing else, not going to sell back at the campus bookstore's crap rates.</p><p>I've run into other components of the racket, but I've never gotten assigned a book written by the professor himself...my profs have, as far as I can tell, for the most part been understanding [but somewhat powerless] about this mess. One assigned us PDF'ed excerpts from her copies of the books in question, for instance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've found that I can successfully get through some classes without the textbook ; thing is , I often do n't manage to figure that out until a few weeks in.Often , I wo n't need to the textbook to actually * learn * the material , but I need it to get ahold of the homework questions .
( I live off-campus , so it would be a PITA to borrow the book from a classmate , who 's probably on a tight schedule to get the homework done himself .
) [ Charitably thinking ] , perhaps the books are assigned because some other students learn in a matter that means * they * * do * need them.I make a point of asking the professor for the booklist before the quarter starts ; that way I have some lead time to get it off of Amazon or whatever ( Maybe I could be more adventurous in choosing online bookstores , but they still 0wn the campus bookstore ) Heck , about all I use the campus bookstore for is double-checking that I have the right ISBNsHave had trouble finding students who are about to be in class such-and-such to sell the book to .
Out of pride if nothing else , not going to sell back at the campus bookstore 's crap rates.I 've run into other components of the racket , but I 've never gotten assigned a book written by the professor himself...my profs have , as far as I can tell , for the most part been understanding [ but somewhat powerless ] about this mess .
One assigned us PDF'ed excerpts from her copies of the books in question , for instance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've found that I can successfully get through some classes without the textbook; thing is, I often don't manage to figure that out until a few weeks in.Often, I won't need to the textbook to actually *learn* the material, but I need it to get ahold of the homework questions.
(I live off-campus, so it would be a PITA to borrow the book from a classmate, who's probably on a tight schedule to get the homework done himself.
)[Charitably thinking], perhaps the books are assigned because some other students learn in a matter that means *they* *do* need them.I make a point of asking the professor for the booklist before the quarter starts; that way I have some lead time to get it off of Amazon or whatever (Maybe I could be more adventurous in choosing online bookstores, but they still 0wn the campus bookstore)Heck, about all I use the campus bookstore for is double-checking that I have the right ISBNsHave had trouble finding students who are about to be in class such-and-such to sell the book to.
Out of pride if nothing else, not going to sell back at the campus bookstore's crap rates.I've run into other components of the racket, but I've never gotten assigned a book written by the professor himself...my profs have, as far as I can tell, for the most part been understanding [but somewhat powerless] about this mess.
One assigned us PDF'ed excerpts from her copies of the books in question, for instance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587141</id>
	<title>Re:In France you get book loaned or rented</title>
	<author>sarathmenon</author>
	<datestamp>1246818240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The college where I studied in India has a similar system. There is a college managed "Book Bank" which cost some two dollars per semester and allowed me to rent 5 books per semester. There was no guarantee of getting a recent edition of any book, but that was okay because the new content could be photocopied from someone in the hostel. The whole thing sort of worked, and of cousre the part I am forgetting to say is that it was funded by government aid.</p><p>I could have afforded text books since most major publishers have discounted prices, but this was easier and lesser hassle<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The college where I studied in India has a similar system .
There is a college managed " Book Bank " which cost some two dollars per semester and allowed me to rent 5 books per semester .
There was no guarantee of getting a recent edition of any book , but that was okay because the new content could be photocopied from someone in the hostel .
The whole thing sort of worked , and of cousre the part I am forgetting to say is that it was funded by government aid.I could have afforded text books since most major publishers have discounted prices , but this was easier and lesser hassle ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The college where I studied in India has a similar system.
There is a college managed "Book Bank" which cost some two dollars per semester and allowed me to rent 5 books per semester.
There was no guarantee of getting a recent edition of any book, but that was okay because the new content could be photocopied from someone in the hostel.
The whole thing sort of worked, and of cousre the part I am forgetting to say is that it was funded by government aid.I could have afforded text books since most major publishers have discounted prices, but this was easier and lesser hassle ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28588087</id>
	<title>Re:A personal anecdote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246827000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hold on: There weren't clay tablets in the cretaceous period. I call bullshit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hold on : There were n't clay tablets in the cretaceous period .
I call bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hold on: There weren't clay tablets in the cretaceous period.
I call bullshit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587277</id>
	<title>Re:Hey Faggots,</title>
	<author>Travelsonic</author>
	<datestamp>1246819680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Perfectly full of shit.  Come on, go back to Troll School, you flunk.</p></div></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't be a stranger .
Just hit me with your best shot .
I 'm pretty much perfect.Perfectly full of shit .
Come on , go back to Troll School , you flunk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't be a stranger.
Just hit me with your best shot.
I'm pretty much perfect.Perfectly full of shit.
Come on, go back to Troll School, you flunk.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28593651</id>
	<title>Re:You mean racketeering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246890360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you'd managed to survive a bit longer at uni, you'd have figured out that computer science and information technology are different fields.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 'd managed to survive a bit longer at uni , you 'd have figured out that computer science and information technology are different fields .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you'd managed to survive a bit longer at uni, you'd have figured out that computer science and information technology are different fields.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589253</id>
	<title>Re:2nd Hand book stores</title>
	<author>toddestan</author>
	<datestamp>1246794840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Used book stores are common in the US, but they typcially aren't a very good deal as the used book racket is how the bookstores make their money (the publishers control the price of the new books).  Typically, the used book costs something like 80\% of the new book, so you're not actually saving very much money.  This might be okay, except when you go to sell it back you'll get something like 5-20\% of the price of the new book.  Then you have the textbook manufacturers, which are actively trying to destroy the used book market by changing editions every 1-3 years or so.  The used book stores won't deal with older editions, so as soon as a new edition comes out, a used textbook loses pretty much all of its value.  This leaves a small window where you can find used copies of the current edition of a textbook, and being able to resell it again later while it still has value.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Used book stores are common in the US , but they typcially are n't a very good deal as the used book racket is how the bookstores make their money ( the publishers control the price of the new books ) .
Typically , the used book costs something like 80 \ % of the new book , so you 're not actually saving very much money .
This might be okay , except when you go to sell it back you 'll get something like 5-20 \ % of the price of the new book .
Then you have the textbook manufacturers , which are actively trying to destroy the used book market by changing editions every 1-3 years or so .
The used book stores wo n't deal with older editions , so as soon as a new edition comes out , a used textbook loses pretty much all of its value .
This leaves a small window where you can find used copies of the current edition of a textbook , and being able to resell it again later while it still has value .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Used book stores are common in the US, but they typcially aren't a very good deal as the used book racket is how the bookstores make their money (the publishers control the price of the new books).
Typically, the used book costs something like 80\% of the new book, so you're not actually saving very much money.
This might be okay, except when you go to sell it back you'll get something like 5-20\% of the price of the new book.
Then you have the textbook manufacturers, which are actively trying to destroy the used book market by changing editions every 1-3 years or so.
The used book stores won't deal with older editions, so as soon as a new edition comes out, a used textbook loses pretty much all of its value.
This leaves a small window where you can find used copies of the current edition of a textbook, and being able to resell it again later while it still has value.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589043</id>
	<title>Dude...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246792320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He reinvented the libraries!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He reinvented the libraries !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He reinvented the libraries!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28589659</id>
	<title>because...</title>
	<author>smash</author>
	<datestamp>1246799820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... there are these buildings called "libraries".</htmltext>
<tokenext>... there are these buildings called " libraries " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... there are these buildings called "libraries".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587311</id>
	<title>Re:Arguably, we already do.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246819980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>2. With the current trend of Big Copyright, every written work must have an owner/copyright holder. Therefore, you do not own the books you have copies of.</i></p><p>Who modded this insightful? As much as I dislike the RIAA &amp; software EULAs, you are completely wrong.</p><p>Every written work DOES have an owner, and a copyright holder (note that these can be two different people). It's been that way for centuries.</p><p>I DO own my textbooks. I bought them, they belong to me, and I even have a receipt. I can burn them, eat them, sell them, read them, stand on them, or do anything else. Any publisher/author who claims otherwise will be laughed out of court.</p><p>The only thing I can't legally do is make copies of the book &amp; start selling the copies - this would be violating the copyright (yes, I know many students photocopy textbooks, but that doesn't make it legal).</p><p>You need to distinguish between the <b>owner of a copy</b>, and the <b>owner of the copyright</b>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 .
With the current trend of Big Copyright , every written work must have an owner/copyright holder .
Therefore , you do not own the books you have copies of.Who modded this insightful ?
As much as I dislike the RIAA &amp; software EULAs , you are completely wrong.Every written work DOES have an owner , and a copyright holder ( note that these can be two different people ) .
It 's been that way for centuries.I DO own my textbooks .
I bought them , they belong to me , and I even have a receipt .
I can burn them , eat them , sell them , read them , stand on them , or do anything else .
Any publisher/author who claims otherwise will be laughed out of court.The only thing I ca n't legally do is make copies of the book &amp; start selling the copies - this would be violating the copyright ( yes , I know many students photocopy textbooks , but that does n't make it legal ) .You need to distinguish between the owner of a copy , and the owner of the copyright .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2.
With the current trend of Big Copyright, every written work must have an owner/copyright holder.
Therefore, you do not own the books you have copies of.Who modded this insightful?
As much as I dislike the RIAA &amp; software EULAs, you are completely wrong.Every written work DOES have an owner, and a copyright holder (note that these can be two different people).
It's been that way for centuries.I DO own my textbooks.
I bought them, they belong to me, and I even have a receipt.
I can burn them, eat them, sell them, read them, stand on them, or do anything else.
Any publisher/author who claims otherwise will be laughed out of court.The only thing I can't legally do is make copies of the book &amp; start selling the copies - this would be violating the copyright (yes, I know many students photocopy textbooks, but that doesn't make it legal).You need to distinguish between the owner of a copy, and the owner of the copyright.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586931</id>
	<title>I do</title>
	<author>rodrigovr</author>
	<datestamp>1246816260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every book I buy is "rent" to my family/friends and my girlfriend
<br>
For business, renting books would not be profitable because people will need much more time to read a book than they will need to watch a movie and take the DVD back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every book I buy is " rent " to my family/friends and my girlfriend For business , renting books would not be profitable because people will need much more time to read a book than they will need to watch a movie and take the DVD back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every book I buy is "rent" to my family/friends and my girlfriend

For business, renting books would not be profitable because people will need much more time to read a book than they will need to watch a movie and take the DVD back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587943</id>
	<title>Mod Parent Down: Completely Off-Topic</title>
	<author>littlewink</author>
	<datestamp>1246826100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I appreciate your insights into hiring but they would be more useful in a discussion about hiring. Here we're discussing renting textbooks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I appreciate your insights into hiring but they would be more useful in a discussion about hiring .
Here we 're discussing renting textbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I appreciate your insights into hiring but they would be more useful in a discussion about hiring.
Here we're discussing renting textbooks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586839</id>
	<title>Because...</title>
	<author>Thelasko</author>
	<datestamp>1246815360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you only get one or two semesters out of textbooks before the company releases a new edition.  I don't see how this business model solves that problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you only get one or two semesters out of textbooks before the company releases a new edition .
I do n't see how this business model solves that problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you only get one or two semesters out of textbooks before the company releases a new edition.
I don't see how this business model solves that problem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587557</id>
	<title>Re:Hey Faggots,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246822260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why are these fags always anonymous if they are so fucking tough?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are these fags always anonymous if they are so fucking tough ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are these fags always anonymous if they are so fucking tough?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28594661</id>
	<title>Publishers are gettting the short side of the stic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246896300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Publishers are getting the short end of the stick.  They sell a new book once for $100.  The bookstore buys it back for $10 and sells it again for $80.... that is $70 of pure profit!  If they do it again... that's the big money!  Lets not go crazy about the publisher being greedy cooperate blah blahs who are stealing money from poor college students.  They are offering just offering newer editions to replace the aging models, much like car companies.  The newer models are not that much different from the older ones, so why sell the same edition/model/version for the next 50 years?  In all honesty I think it would be better for the publisher to keep the same editions, textbooks wear out in 5 years of anyhow and the publisher wouldn't have to pay people with college degrees to update and edit the books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Publishers are getting the short end of the stick .
They sell a new book once for $ 100 .
The bookstore buys it back for $ 10 and sells it again for $ 80.... that is $ 70 of pure profit !
If they do it again... that 's the big money !
Lets not go crazy about the publisher being greedy cooperate blah blahs who are stealing money from poor college students .
They are offering just offering newer editions to replace the aging models , much like car companies .
The newer models are not that much different from the older ones , so why sell the same edition/model/version for the next 50 years ?
In all honesty I think it would be better for the publisher to keep the same editions , textbooks wear out in 5 years of anyhow and the publisher would n't have to pay people with college degrees to update and edit the books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Publishers are getting the short end of the stick.
They sell a new book once for $100.
The bookstore buys it back for $10 and sells it again for $80.... that is $70 of pure profit!
If they do it again... that's the big money!
Lets not go crazy about the publisher being greedy cooperate blah blahs who are stealing money from poor college students.
They are offering just offering newer editions to replace the aging models, much like car companies.
The newer models are not that much different from the older ones, so why sell the same edition/model/version for the next 50 years?
In all honesty I think it would be better for the publisher to keep the same editions, textbooks wear out in 5 years of anyhow and the publisher wouldn't have to pay people with college degrees to update and edit the books.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587347</id>
	<title>Why do we pay for them (that much) at all?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1246820220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give every child a netbook at their first school day, and let the textbook companies create a website. Then reproduction is practically free.<br>I bet the whole netbook, the monthly rate that pays the texbook company people of your choice (or rather of the choice of the school you chose), and the WLAN will still cost less then a tenth of the price of the textbooks, over the whole school time.</p><p>Then, some people invest into paying people to extend free textbooks (eg. wikibooks, but with more background checks),<br>base WLAN/WiMAX will become a citywide utility that is payed trough taxes (because anyone uses it anyway, doing it together will be cheaper),<br>and those netbook will become disposable goods,<br>and we get it all for free. (Because it will just be a feature of something that you buy anyway because of other reasons.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give every child a netbook at their first school day , and let the textbook companies create a website .
Then reproduction is practically free.I bet the whole netbook , the monthly rate that pays the texbook company people of your choice ( or rather of the choice of the school you chose ) , and the WLAN will still cost less then a tenth of the price of the textbooks , over the whole school time.Then , some people invest into paying people to extend free textbooks ( eg .
wikibooks , but with more background checks ) ,base WLAN/WiMAX will become a citywide utility that is payed trough taxes ( because anyone uses it anyway , doing it together will be cheaper ) ,and those netbook will become disposable goods,and we get it all for free .
( Because it will just be a feature of something that you buy anyway because of other reasons .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give every child a netbook at their first school day, and let the textbook companies create a website.
Then reproduction is practically free.I bet the whole netbook, the monthly rate that pays the texbook company people of your choice (or rather of the choice of the school you chose), and the WLAN will still cost less then a tenth of the price of the textbooks, over the whole school time.Then, some people invest into paying people to extend free textbooks (eg.
wikibooks, but with more background checks),base WLAN/WiMAX will become a citywide utility that is payed trough taxes (because anyone uses it anyway, doing it together will be cheaper),and those netbook will become disposable goods,and we get it all for free.
(Because it will just be a feature of something that you buy anyway because of other reasons.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28591391</id>
	<title>Book and movies</title>
	<author>markiv34</author>
	<datestamp>1246819860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is like comparing Apples and Oranges.  Books are used again an again by students or ardent readers.  One can read a novel/ reference or any subject book again and again, are also helpful for reference purposes (basically knowledge gain).  Movies on the other hand are more of instant gratification, a point of view of the Director of the movie (movie could be based on a book though), how many times would one see/ refer to the same movie, where as books are always useful (specially text books)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is like comparing Apples and Oranges .
Books are used again an again by students or ardent readers .
One can read a novel/ reference or any subject book again and again , are also helpful for reference purposes ( basically knowledge gain ) .
Movies on the other hand are more of instant gratification , a point of view of the Director of the movie ( movie could be based on a book though ) , how many times would one see/ refer to the same movie , where as books are always useful ( specially text books )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is like comparing Apples and Oranges.
Books are used again an again by students or ardent readers.
One can read a novel/ reference or any subject book again and again, are also helpful for reference purposes (basically knowledge gain).
Movies on the other hand are more of instant gratification, a point of view of the Director of the movie (movie could be based on a book though), how many times would one see/ refer to the same movie, where as books are always useful (specially text books)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586797</id>
	<title>Hey Faggots,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246814880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My name is John, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it's fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on facebook.
<br> <br>
Don't be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I'm pretty much perfect. I was captain of the football team, and starter on my basketball team. What sports do you play, other than "jack off to naked drawn Japanese people"? I also get straight A's, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My name is John , and I hate every single one of you .
All of you are fat , retarded , no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures .
You are everything bad in the world .
Honestly , have any of you ever gotten any pussy ?
I mean , I guess it 's fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities , but you all take to a whole new level .
This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on facebook .
Do n't be a stranger .
Just hit me with your best shot .
I 'm pretty much perfect .
I was captain of the football team , and starter on my basketball team .
What sports do you play , other than " jack off to naked drawn Japanese people " ?
I also get straight A 's , and have a banging hot girlfriend ( She just blew me ; Shit was SO cash ) .
You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves .
Thanks for listening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My name is John, and I hate every single one of you.
All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures.
You are everything bad in the world.
Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy?
I mean, I guess it's fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level.
This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on facebook.
Don't be a stranger.
Just hit me with your best shot.
I'm pretty much perfect.
I was captain of the football team, and starter on my basketball team.
What sports do you play, other than "jack off to naked drawn Japanese people"?
I also get straight A's, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash).
You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves.
Thanks for listening.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28593225</id>
	<title>We already "rent" textbooks...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246887720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...from places called "libraries.." and for free no less.</p><p>Remember, you can't beat free..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...from places called " libraries.. " and for free no less.Remember , you ca n't beat free. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...from places called "libraries.." and for free no less.Remember, you can't beat free..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28590705</id>
	<title>Re:Keep em for reference!</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1246812840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This really gives me problems. I like to keep things "just in case", but I am also frugal (for example, I got my stats prof. to scan the problem sets so I could use the old edition). So I've got lots of textbooks I MIGHT need, but I am constantly annoyed that I am losing out on the resell value. At least with my old editions I spent $20 or less and I know I can't resell them anyways.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This really gives me problems .
I like to keep things " just in case " , but I am also frugal ( for example , I got my stats prof. to scan the problem sets so I could use the old edition ) .
So I 've got lots of textbooks I MIGHT need , but I am constantly annoyed that I am losing out on the resell value .
At least with my old editions I spent $ 20 or less and I know I ca n't resell them anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This really gives me problems.
I like to keep things "just in case", but I am also frugal (for example, I got my stats prof. to scan the problem sets so I could use the old edition).
So I've got lots of textbooks I MIGHT need, but I am constantly annoyed that I am losing out on the resell value.
At least with my old editions I spent $20 or less and I know I can't resell them anyways.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587449</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28593251</id>
	<title>Download</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246887840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We download movies, so why not textbooks?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We download movies , so why not textbooks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We download movies, so why not textbooks?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28587203</id>
	<title>Re:Hey Faggots,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246818960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But you <i>do</i> post on Slashdot, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>But you do post on Slashdot , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But you do post on Slashdot, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_1546214.28586797</parent>
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