<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_04_1849214</id>
	<title>New Video of Tesla's Mass-Market Electric Car</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1246735320000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Slatterz writes <i>"The Tesla Roadster has almost mythical status among electric car enthusiasts. It's fast, with high torque over a wide RPM range, and can beat a Ferrari in terms of acceleration. Now Tesla has <a href="http://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/149096,motor-tech-teslas-upgrade-to-right-hand-drive-evokes-exotic-electric-car-future.aspx">released new video</a> of its upcoming new electric car, called the <a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/models/index.php">Model S</a>, which Tesla Motors claims is the world's first mass produced fully-electric vehicle. Unlike the Lotus-Elise based Roadster, the Model S is a traditional sedan of the type millions of commuters might actually drive. Tesla claims it will fit seven people (if two of them are 'children under 10'), and has mounted a rather large 17in LCD in the dash. Key to Telsa's future will be the evolution of lithium-ion battery technology. Tesla Motors claiming the new Model S can travel up to 300 miles on a single charge, but the battery will still take 45 minutes to quick-recharge."</i> (And for those in countries where it matters, this article mentions that it should also be available in right-hand drive.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slatterz writes " The Tesla Roadster has almost mythical status among electric car enthusiasts .
It 's fast , with high torque over a wide RPM range , and can beat a Ferrari in terms of acceleration .
Now Tesla has released new video of its upcoming new electric car , called the Model S , which Tesla Motors claims is the world 's first mass produced fully-electric vehicle .
Unlike the Lotus-Elise based Roadster , the Model S is a traditional sedan of the type millions of commuters might actually drive .
Tesla claims it will fit seven people ( if two of them are 'children under 10 ' ) , and has mounted a rather large 17in LCD in the dash .
Key to Telsa 's future will be the evolution of lithium-ion battery technology .
Tesla Motors claiming the new Model S can travel up to 300 miles on a single charge , but the battery will still take 45 minutes to quick-recharge .
" ( And for those in countries where it matters , this article mentions that it should also be available in right-hand drive .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slatterz writes "The Tesla Roadster has almost mythical status among electric car enthusiasts.
It's fast, with high torque over a wide RPM range, and can beat a Ferrari in terms of acceleration.
Now Tesla has released new video of its upcoming new electric car, called the Model S, which Tesla Motors claims is the world's first mass produced fully-electric vehicle.
Unlike the Lotus-Elise based Roadster, the Model S is a traditional sedan of the type millions of commuters might actually drive.
Tesla claims it will fit seven people (if two of them are 'children under 10'), and has mounted a rather large 17in LCD in the dash.
Key to Telsa's future will be the evolution of lithium-ion battery technology.
Tesla Motors claiming the new Model S can travel up to 300 miles on a single charge, but the battery will still take 45 minutes to quick-recharge.
" (And for those in countries where it matters, this article mentions that it should also be available in right-hand drive.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28585155</id>
	<title>Children under 10'?</title>
	<author>Fritzed</author>
	<datestamp>1246786620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope they make a version that fits my 11' tall children.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they make a version that fits my 11 ' tall children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope they make a version that fits my 11' tall children.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583033</id>
	<title>Re:Top Gear found...</title>
	<author>haifastudent</author>
	<datestamp>1246707660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That the car only went about 50 miles or so with an 18 hour charge time:</p><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3bMKR5eXk" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3bMKR5eXk</a> [youtube.com] </p></div><p>There are two morons fighting over gas/electric in the comments of that Youtube video. Here is a gem from that argument:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Y not wuud gas carz?</p></div><p>Intelligent debate, indeed!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That the car only went about 50 miles or so with an 18 hour charge time : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = AG3bMKR5eXk [ youtube.com ] There are two morons fighting over gas/electric in the comments of that Youtube video .
Here is a gem from that argument : Y not wuud gas carz ? Intelligent debate , indeed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That the car only went about 50 miles or so with an 18 hour charge time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3bMKR5eXk [youtube.com] There are two morons fighting over gas/electric in the comments of that Youtube video.
Here is a gem from that argument:Y not wuud gas carz?Intelligent debate, indeed!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28585745</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>Frnknstn</author>
	<datestamp>1246798980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Electricity is not my thing, but can you please go explain one step to me: how do you get '220KW' from 30KW and 5.4 hours?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Electricity is not my thing , but can you please go explain one step to me : how do you get '220KW ' from 30KW and 5.4 hours ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Electricity is not my thing, but can you please go explain one step to me: how do you get '220KW' from 30KW and 5.4 hours?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28588271</id>
	<title>Re:Model S not T</title>
	<author>peas\_n\_carrots</author>
	<datestamp>1246785300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was a Ford Model S (2nd paragraph)<br>
<a href="http://wikicars.org/en/Ford\_Model\_T" title="wikicars.org" rel="nofollow">http://wikicars.org/en/Ford\_Model\_T</a> [wikicars.org] <br>
<br>
Cries for calling the Tesla sedan a Model T instead of S don't make much sense.  The T was designed for rock-bottom pricing.  The Tesla sedan is a luxury high-tech car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was a Ford Model S ( 2nd paragraph ) http : //wikicars.org/en/Ford \ _Model \ _T [ wikicars.org ] Cries for calling the Tesla sedan a Model T instead of S do n't make much sense .
The T was designed for rock-bottom pricing .
The Tesla sedan is a luxury high-tech car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was a Ford Model S (2nd paragraph)
http://wikicars.org/en/Ford\_Model\_T [wikicars.org] 

Cries for calling the Tesla sedan a Model T instead of S don't make much sense.
The T was designed for rock-bottom pricing.
The Tesla sedan is a luxury high-tech car.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582029</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583593</id>
	<title>gonna need a bigger breaker box</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246714980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought I read that the Roadster had a 54 kWhr battery pack, so I assume the Model S has the same. To charge it fully in 45 minutes would take 72 kW -- which is 330 amps at 220 volts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought I read that the Roadster had a 54 kWhr battery pack , so I assume the Model S has the same .
To charge it fully in 45 minutes would take 72 kW -- which is 330 amps at 220 volts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought I read that the Roadster had a 54 kWhr battery pack, so I assume the Model S has the same.
To charge it fully in 45 minutes would take 72 kW -- which is 330 amps at 220 volts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583037</id>
	<title>Re:Model S not T</title>
	<author>Kenja</author>
	<datestamp>1246707720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ironic part is that GM had a great electric car years ago that they destroyed in favor of things like the Hummer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ironic part is that GM had a great electric car years ago that they destroyed in favor of things like the Hummer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ironic part is that GM had a great electric car years ago that they destroyed in favor of things like the Hummer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28591125</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price... For taxis a no brainer.</title>
	<author>jusdisgi</author>
	<datestamp>1246817280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please spare us the "long tailpipe" crap. The grid generation to run a Tesla Roadster causes about 1/10 the pollution per-mile of an ICE car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please spare us the " long tailpipe " crap .
The grid generation to run a Tesla Roadster causes about 1/10 the pollution per-mile of an ICE car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please spare us the "long tailpipe" crap.
The grid generation to run a Tesla Roadster causes about 1/10 the pollution per-mile of an ICE car.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583275</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582361</id>
	<title>7 People?  NOT!</title>
	<author>markdavis</author>
	<datestamp>1246699920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I seriously doubt you can seat seven people [properly, safely] in a Tesla sedan with two front bucket seats and one rear bench.  Perhaps 4 comfortably (2+2) or 5 uncomfortably (2+3), like most sedans.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I seriously doubt you can seat seven people [ properly , safely ] in a Tesla sedan with two front bucket seats and one rear bench .
Perhaps 4 comfortably ( 2 + 2 ) or 5 uncomfortably ( 2 + 3 ) , like most sedans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I seriously doubt you can seat seven people [properly, safely] in a Tesla sedan with two front bucket seats and one rear bench.
Perhaps 4 comfortably (2+2) or 5 uncomfortably (2+3), like most sedans.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28587409</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>goombah99</author>
	<datestamp>1246820760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somehow my typing got garbled so I left out one phrase that confused you.<br>the point is if you are going to replace 5.4 hours worth of energy in 45 minutes you need to have 5.4/0.75 times more power.  since the minimum power required for the 5.4 hours is 30KW, you need 220KW to recharge it in 45 minutes.    the 5.4 hours is just the time it takes to travel to cruising range at 55mph.  That is the battery has a capacity of 30KW x 5.4 hours.    If there inefficiencies in the recharging itself then you need even more power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somehow my typing got garbled so I left out one phrase that confused you.the point is if you are going to replace 5.4 hours worth of energy in 45 minutes you need to have 5.4/0.75 times more power .
since the minimum power required for the 5.4 hours is 30KW , you need 220KW to recharge it in 45 minutes .
the 5.4 hours is just the time it takes to travel to cruising range at 55mph .
That is the battery has a capacity of 30KW x 5.4 hours .
If there inefficiencies in the recharging itself then you need even more power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somehow my typing got garbled so I left out one phrase that confused you.the point is if you are going to replace 5.4 hours worth of energy in 45 minutes you need to have 5.4/0.75 times more power.
since the minimum power required for the 5.4 hours is 30KW, you need 220KW to recharge it in 45 minutes.
the 5.4 hours is just the time it takes to travel to cruising range at 55mph.
That is the battery has a capacity of 30KW x 5.4 hours.
If there inefficiencies in the recharging itself then you need even more power.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28585745</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582329</id>
	<title>Taxes</title>
	<author>sbiefeld</author>
	<datestamp>1246699500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every tax payer is giving Tesla money, regardless of them purchasing a Model-S, <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/06/24/1947208/Tesla-Nabs-465M-Government-Loan-To-Build-Model-S" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/06/24/1947208/Tesla-Nabs-465M-Government-Loan-To-Build-Model-S</a> [slashdot.org]. If someone chooses to purchase a Model-S the amount they had to pay in taxes for the government loan should be deducted from the price tag.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every tax payer is giving Tesla money , regardless of them purchasing a Model-S , http : //news.slashdot.org/story/09/06/24/1947208/Tesla-Nabs-465M-Government-Loan-To-Build-Model-S [ slashdot.org ] .
If someone chooses to purchase a Model-S the amount they had to pay in taxes for the government loan should be deducted from the price tag .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every tax payer is giving Tesla money, regardless of them purchasing a Model-S, http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/06/24/1947208/Tesla-Nabs-465M-Government-Loan-To-Build-Model-S [slashdot.org].
If someone chooses to purchase a Model-S the amount they had to pay in taxes for the government loan should be deducted from the price tag.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28585435</id>
	<title>Please do not add noise..</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1246792140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope they don't get this stupid idea of adding noise to it.</p><p>What I don't like: handles that disappear - that has no decent failure recover (what if the power fails?  How do emergency services gain access?)</p><p>What I like: a dash I may be able to hack.  The ultimate "pimp my ride" for any geek.  Caveat: this should be isolated from the driver and control electronics because that is safety.  You don't mess with safety (IMHO).</p><p>I like the idea overall.  Heck, I may even invest in covering my roof with solar power - I want to bet that generating your own power will be taxed very soon - if cars like this become common there is a lot of fuel revenue the governments are going to miss out on..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they do n't get this stupid idea of adding noise to it.What I do n't like : handles that disappear - that has no decent failure recover ( what if the power fails ?
How do emergency services gain access ?
) What I like : a dash I may be able to hack .
The ultimate " pimp my ride " for any geek .
Caveat : this should be isolated from the driver and control electronics because that is safety .
You do n't mess with safety ( IMHO ) .I like the idea overall .
Heck , I may even invest in covering my roof with solar power - I want to bet that generating your own power will be taxed very soon - if cars like this become common there is a lot of fuel revenue the governments are going to miss out on. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope they don't get this stupid idea of adding noise to it.What I don't like: handles that disappear - that has no decent failure recover (what if the power fails?
How do emergency services gain access?
)What I like: a dash I may be able to hack.
The ultimate "pimp my ride" for any geek.
Caveat: this should be isolated from the driver and control electronics because that is safety.
You don't mess with safety (IMHO).I like the idea overall.
Heck, I may even invest in covering my roof with solar power - I want to bet that generating your own power will be taxed very soon - if cars like this become common there is a lot of fuel revenue the governments are going to miss out on..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583299</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price</title>
	<author>ScentCone</author>
	<datestamp>1246711440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>$49,000 USD AFTER deducting the $7,500 federal tax credit.</i>
<br> <br>
What you really mean is: after the $7,500 more in taxes that <i>other people</i>, who can't afford this car, will be paying on behalf of the person who <i>can</i> afford it. That's nice. So <i>progressive</i>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 49,000 USD AFTER deducting the $ 7,500 federal tax credit .
What you really mean is : after the $ 7,500 more in taxes that other people , who ca n't afford this car , will be paying on behalf of the person who can afford it .
That 's nice .
So progressive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$49,000 USD AFTER deducting the $7,500 federal tax credit.
What you really mean is: after the $7,500 more in taxes that other people, who can't afford this car, will be paying on behalf of the person who can afford it.
That's nice.
So progressive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28586601</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>Xabraxas</author>
	<datestamp>1246812300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What kind of car do you have that can travel 500 miles on a single tank?  That's not very common but 300 miles per tank is common.  The charge time is probably the biggest obstacle but 300 miles on a single charge isn't bad at all and is comparable to the range of most vehicles on the road today.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What kind of car do you have that can travel 500 miles on a single tank ?
That 's not very common but 300 miles per tank is common .
The charge time is probably the biggest obstacle but 300 miles on a single charge is n't bad at all and is comparable to the range of most vehicles on the road today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What kind of car do you have that can travel 500 miles on a single tank?
That's not very common but 300 miles per tank is common.
The charge time is probably the biggest obstacle but 300 miles on a single charge isn't bad at all and is comparable to the range of most vehicles on the road today.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582305</id>
	<title>Re:How useful in hot climates?</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1246699260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With something like this I wonder if it isn't worth dropping the weight of the conventional AC and using the old-fashioned 4/70 AC*.</p><p>*<tt>4 windows/70 mph</tt> </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With something like this I wonder if it is n't worth dropping the weight of the conventional AC and using the old-fashioned 4/70 AC * .
* 4 windows/70 mph</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With something like this I wonder if it isn't worth dropping the weight of the conventional AC and using the old-fashioned 4/70 AC*.
*4 windows/70 mph </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583275</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price... For taxis a no brainer.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246711200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>A relative of mine puts 100,0000 miles on a car in a year. That's a lot of fuel.</i>
<br> <br>
And it's <i>still</i> going to be a lot of fuel, burned somewhere else to make this car's electricity. We need nukes, since the wind and solar things will never put a <i>dent</i> in a massive shift to cars like this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A relative of mine puts 100,0000 miles on a car in a year .
That 's a lot of fuel .
And it 's still going to be a lot of fuel , burned somewhere else to make this car 's electricity .
We need nukes , since the wind and solar things will never put a dent in a massive shift to cars like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A relative of mine puts 100,0000 miles on a car in a year.
That's a lot of fuel.
And it's still going to be a lot of fuel, burned somewhere else to make this car's electricity.
We need nukes, since the wind and solar things will never put a dent in a massive shift to cars like this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28584143</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>Sj0</author>
	<datestamp>1246723860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another interesting point: My current vehicle can travel almost double that distance on a tank of gasoline, and takes seconds to refill. This is important because it's almost 500 miles to the next city from where I live -- I can travel to the next city with one tank of gas, but I'd need to refill the battery 3 times to comfortably make it by electric car, since I'm not going to let my batteries run to 0\%.</p><p>Will the 8 hour drive to the next town become a multiple day journey? Will I need to start planning to visit hotels where now I can just ignore the towns? Will we see a re-emergence of small refueling towns, as we saw in the age of coal-based rail, thanks to the significantly reduced range of our vehicles?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another interesting point : My current vehicle can travel almost double that distance on a tank of gasoline , and takes seconds to refill .
This is important because it 's almost 500 miles to the next city from where I live -- I can travel to the next city with one tank of gas , but I 'd need to refill the battery 3 times to comfortably make it by electric car , since I 'm not going to let my batteries run to 0 \ % .Will the 8 hour drive to the next town become a multiple day journey ?
Will I need to start planning to visit hotels where now I can just ignore the towns ?
Will we see a re-emergence of small refueling towns , as we saw in the age of coal-based rail , thanks to the significantly reduced range of our vehicles ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another interesting point: My current vehicle can travel almost double that distance on a tank of gasoline, and takes seconds to refill.
This is important because it's almost 500 miles to the next city from where I live -- I can travel to the next city with one tank of gas, but I'd need to refill the battery 3 times to comfortably make it by electric car, since I'm not going to let my batteries run to 0\%.Will the 8 hour drive to the next town become a multiple day journey?
Will I need to start planning to visit hotels where now I can just ignore the towns?
Will we see a re-emergence of small refueling towns, as we saw in the age of coal-based rail, thanks to the significantly reduced range of our vehicles?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582853</id>
	<title>Finally! An EV that doesn't look like shit!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246705260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But I guess that's because Tesla - unlike the mainstream auto makers - actually hope to sell some.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I guess that 's because Tesla - unlike the mainstream auto makers - actually hope to sell some .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I guess that's because Tesla - unlike the mainstream auto makers - actually hope to sell some.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583499</id>
	<title>Re:You prob want a rest after 300 miles</title>
	<author>SpinyNorman</author>
	<datestamp>1246713660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's an article here discussing a new electric car battery that Chrysler will be using that can take an 80\% charge in 5 minutes!</p><p><a href="http://www.gizmag.com/chrysler-a123-batteries-electric-vehicles/11497/" title="gizmag.com">http://www.gizmag.com/chrysler-a123-batteries-electric-vehicles/11497/</a> [gizmag.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's an article here discussing a new electric car battery that Chrysler will be using that can take an 80 \ % charge in 5 minutes ! http : //www.gizmag.com/chrysler-a123-batteries-electric-vehicles/11497/ [ gizmag.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's an article here discussing a new electric car battery that Chrysler will be using that can take an 80\% charge in 5 minutes!http://www.gizmag.com/chrysler-a123-batteries-electric-vehicles/11497/ [gizmag.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582801</id>
	<title>Re:Memory Effect</title>
	<author>haifastudent</author>
	<datestamp>1246704540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>After about a week you'll get a message like this:</p><p><i>Your battery can only hold 2\%  of it's original capacity. To learn about replacement options, please click here.</i></p> </div><p>The designer / technician in the video calls the Model S "the iPhone of the auto industry". So your troll-modded comment is rather insightful indeed! Mods, quick!</p></div>
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<tokenext>After about a week you 'll get a message like this : Your battery can only hold 2 \ % of it 's original capacity .
To learn about replacement options , please click here .
The designer / technician in the video calls the Model S " the iPhone of the auto industry " .
So your troll-modded comment is rather insightful indeed !
Mods , quick !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After about a week you'll get a message like this:Your battery can only hold 2\%  of it's original capacity.
To learn about replacement options, please click here.
The designer / technician in the video calls the Model S "the iPhone of the auto industry".
So your troll-modded comment is rather insightful indeed!
Mods, quick!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583055</id>
	<title>Re:Top Gear found...</title>
	<author>Spatial</author>
	<datestamp>1246708080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hello?  Top Gear is for entertainment not facts.  They <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/dec/24/jeremy-clarkson-top-gear-tesla-electric-car" title="guardian.co.uk">lied</a> [guardian.co.uk] for laughs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hello ?
Top Gear is for entertainment not facts .
They lied [ guardian.co.uk ] for laughs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hello?
Top Gear is for entertainment not facts.
They lied [guardian.co.uk] for laughs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582633</id>
	<title>Re:You prob want a rest after 300 miles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246702800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The battery pack you get for $57.4K (the cheapest model) is a 160 mile pack, not a 300 mile pack.</p><p>And you aren't going to be able to fully charge it in 45 minutes. LIons just won't stand for it. You should be able to put 85\% of the charge in in 45 minutes, but since it such rapid charging reduces the lifespan of the battery, Tesla doesn't recommend you charge it in 45 minutes (at least they don't recommend it for the Roadster, this has a similar pack so I presume this is the same).</p><p>Acceptable range is kind of a tricky idea, if you had a charger everywhere, then this might be okay. But instead, you are likely to drive to your range and find there is no place to charge it at your stopover or destination.</p><p>Here's an example of how the difficulties in recharging an electric car makes it less useful than a gas car.</p><p> <a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/blog5/?p=68" title="teslamotors.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.teslamotors.com/blog5/?p=68</a> [teslamotors.com] </p><p>This guy took a 40 hour trip and spent 8 hours of it waiting for his car to charge. 4 hours walking (twice) around an RV park waiting for his car to charge to 88\%.</p></div><p>And he really enjoyed his trip! The point is for the battery to last for everyday commutes, if you're going to do any kind of distance you can either wait for it to charge and read a book or something (people are so impatient these days) or just rent a car for the trip...</p><p>99\% of people won't need more than 100 miles a day, and that's the whole point. How often do you actually do more than 300 miles in a day, for me it would be 1-2x a year and i wouldn't mind renting something for those trips.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The battery pack you get for $ 57.4K ( the cheapest model ) is a 160 mile pack , not a 300 mile pack.And you are n't going to be able to fully charge it in 45 minutes .
LIons just wo n't stand for it .
You should be able to put 85 \ % of the charge in in 45 minutes , but since it such rapid charging reduces the lifespan of the battery , Tesla does n't recommend you charge it in 45 minutes ( at least they do n't recommend it for the Roadster , this has a similar pack so I presume this is the same ) .Acceptable range is kind of a tricky idea , if you had a charger everywhere , then this might be okay .
But instead , you are likely to drive to your range and find there is no place to charge it at your stopover or destination.Here 's an example of how the difficulties in recharging an electric car makes it less useful than a gas car .
http : //www.teslamotors.com/blog5/ ? p = 68 [ teslamotors.com ] This guy took a 40 hour trip and spent 8 hours of it waiting for his car to charge .
4 hours walking ( twice ) around an RV park waiting for his car to charge to 88 \ % .And he really enjoyed his trip !
The point is for the battery to last for everyday commutes , if you 're going to do any kind of distance you can either wait for it to charge and read a book or something ( people are so impatient these days ) or just rent a car for the trip...99 \ % of people wo n't need more than 100 miles a day , and that 's the whole point .
How often do you actually do more than 300 miles in a day , for me it would be 1-2x a year and i would n't mind renting something for those trips .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The battery pack you get for $57.4K (the cheapest model) is a 160 mile pack, not a 300 mile pack.And you aren't going to be able to fully charge it in 45 minutes.
LIons just won't stand for it.
You should be able to put 85\% of the charge in in 45 minutes, but since it such rapid charging reduces the lifespan of the battery, Tesla doesn't recommend you charge it in 45 minutes (at least they don't recommend it for the Roadster, this has a similar pack so I presume this is the same).Acceptable range is kind of a tricky idea, if you had a charger everywhere, then this might be okay.
But instead, you are likely to drive to your range and find there is no place to charge it at your stopover or destination.Here's an example of how the difficulties in recharging an electric car makes it less useful than a gas car.
http://www.teslamotors.com/blog5/?p=68 [teslamotors.com] This guy took a 40 hour trip and spent 8 hours of it waiting for his car to charge.
4 hours walking (twice) around an RV park waiting for his car to charge to 88\%.And he really enjoyed his trip!
The point is for the battery to last for everyday commutes, if you're going to do any kind of distance you can either wait for it to charge and read a book or something (people are so impatient these days) or just rent a car for the trip...99\% of people won't need more than 100 miles a day, and that's the whole point.
How often do you actually do more than 300 miles in a day, for me it would be 1-2x a year and i wouldn't mind renting something for those trips.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582001</id>
	<title>New Video of Tesla's...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246739280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And here I was expecting video of something of <em>Tesla's</em>.  Now that <em>would</em> be cool.  Instead it's just some electric car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And here I was expecting video of something of Tesla 's .
Now that would be cool .
Instead it 's just some electric car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here I was expecting video of something of Tesla's.
Now that would be cool.
Instead it's just some electric car.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582137</id>
	<title>Right hand drive is overrated</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246740720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live in Ireland, drive a left-hand drive and it has never caused me any problems. The odd time I can't overtake because I cant see but other than that I actually prefer the left hand drive. i started off in a right hand drive but never really liked it. I never had to get used to the left hand drive and if i go back to a right hand drive now it will take me ages to get used to it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Ireland , drive a left-hand drive and it has never caused me any problems .
The odd time I ca n't overtake because I cant see but other than that I actually prefer the left hand drive .
i started off in a right hand drive but never really liked it .
I never had to get used to the left hand drive and if i go back to a right hand drive now it will take me ages to get used to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Ireland, drive a left-hand drive and it has never caused me any problems.
The odd time I can't overtake because I cant see but other than that I actually prefer the left hand drive.
i started off in a right hand drive but never really liked it.
I never had to get used to the left hand drive and if i go back to a right hand drive now it will take me ages to get used to it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28590551</id>
	<title>Re:You prob want a rest after 300 miles</title>
	<author>jusdisgi</author>
	<datestamp>1246810920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Tesla doesn't recommend you charge it in 45 minutes (at least they don't recommend it for the Roadster, this has a similar pack so I presume this is the same).</i> </p><p>The Roadster <i>can't</i> charge in 45 minutes. And the details of when the Model S will be able to aren't clear, but seem to involve a 480V charger (!) which would be much heavier-duty than the Roadster's unit. But most importantly, your assumption that the pack will be similar is contrary to Tesla's statements. The new pack will have a different chemistry, and though they haven't discussed it in detail yet, the characteristics (cycle life and charge time in particular) sound a lot like a LiFEPO4 or other nano-Li chemistry. In which case 45 minutes to full might actually be doable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tesla does n't recommend you charge it in 45 minutes ( at least they do n't recommend it for the Roadster , this has a similar pack so I presume this is the same ) .
The Roadster ca n't charge in 45 minutes .
And the details of when the Model S will be able to are n't clear , but seem to involve a 480V charger ( !
) which would be much heavier-duty than the Roadster 's unit .
But most importantly , your assumption that the pack will be similar is contrary to Tesla 's statements .
The new pack will have a different chemistry , and though they have n't discussed it in detail yet , the characteristics ( cycle life and charge time in particular ) sound a lot like a LiFEPO4 or other nano-Li chemistry .
In which case 45 minutes to full might actually be doable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Tesla doesn't recommend you charge it in 45 minutes (at least they don't recommend it for the Roadster, this has a similar pack so I presume this is the same).
The Roadster can't charge in 45 minutes.
And the details of when the Model S will be able to aren't clear, but seem to involve a 480V charger (!
) which would be much heavier-duty than the Roadster's unit.
But most importantly, your assumption that the pack will be similar is contrary to Tesla's statements.
The new pack will have a different chemistry, and though they haven't discussed it in detail yet, the characteristics (cycle life and charge time in particular) sound a lot like a LiFEPO4 or other nano-Li chemistry.
In which case 45 minutes to full might actually be doable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583859</id>
	<title>Re:You prob want a rest after 300 miles</title>
	<author>Tempocrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246719480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>4 hours walking (twice) around an RV park waiting for his car to charge to 88\%.</p></div><p>At which point he ended up in 1955.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>4 hours walking ( twice ) around an RV park waiting for his car to charge to 88 \ % .At which point he ended up in 1955 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4 hours walking (twice) around an RV park waiting for his car to charge to 88\%.At which point he ended up in 1955.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28588553</id>
	<title>Re:Top Gear found...</title>
	<author>Skuld-Chan</author>
	<datestamp>1246787760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Article never says they lied - just says Tesla says the battery never went below 20\% - so its just a he said/she said situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Article never says they lied - just says Tesla says the battery never went below 20 \ % - so its just a he said/she said situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Article never says they lied - just says Tesla says the battery never went below 20\% - so its just a he said/she said situation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582849</id>
	<title>Re:Top Gear found...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246705140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was a great video, thanks for the link. But is it the same car? They mentioned a much higher price, so I'm wondering if it was a different model. Perhaps some of the kinks they mentioned were worked out (I'd hope, some of those are pretty bad)? In it they also mention something about battery based cars going bye-bye, but the clip ends before they say why. Any idea what they were talking about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was a great video , thanks for the link .
But is it the same car ?
They mentioned a much higher price , so I 'm wondering if it was a different model .
Perhaps some of the kinks they mentioned were worked out ( I 'd hope , some of those are pretty bad ) ?
In it they also mention something about battery based cars going bye-bye , but the clip ends before they say why .
Any idea what they were talking about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was a great video, thanks for the link.
But is it the same car?
They mentioned a much higher price, so I'm wondering if it was a different model.
Perhaps some of the kinks they mentioned were worked out (I'd hope, some of those are pretty bad)?
In it they also mention something about battery based cars going bye-bye, but the clip ends before they say why.
Any idea what they were talking about?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28591309</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone know the economics on these?</title>
	<author>jusdisgi</author>
	<datestamp>1246819020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>I don't know the economics of these for the average person, but right now America is consuming a big chunk of the energy the world produces and is way far ahead per capita than most other countries...</i> </p><p>"Per capita" is the wrong benchmark for energy consumption. Per-GDP is far more appropriate. And since the U.S. currently accounts for nearly a quarter of the world's GDP, we're actually not that inefficient all things considered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know the economics of these for the average person , but right now America is consuming a big chunk of the energy the world produces and is way far ahead per capita than most other countries... " Per capita " is the wrong benchmark for energy consumption .
Per-GDP is far more appropriate .
And since the U.S. currently accounts for nearly a quarter of the world 's GDP , we 're actually not that inefficient all things considered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I don't know the economics of these for the average person, but right now America is consuming a big chunk of the energy the world produces and is way far ahead per capita than most other countries... "Per capita" is the wrong benchmark for energy consumption.
Per-GDP is far more appropriate.
And since the U.S. currently accounts for nearly a quarter of the world's GDP, we're actually not that inefficient all things considered.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582407</id>
	<title>mo3 Down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246700340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">are incompatible person.  Ask your Fact: *BSD is dying FrreBSD used to</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>are incompatible person .
Ask your Fact : * BSD is dying FrreBSD used to [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are incompatible person.
Ask your Fact: *BSD is dying FrreBSD used to [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582379</id>
	<title>Swapable battery infrastructure needed.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246699980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of recharging the batteries, why not just swap out the battery itself? You know, kinda like propane tanks.  Range problem solved!  But batteries are heavy, so there has to be a standardized, automated way to change them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of recharging the batteries , why not just swap out the battery itself ?
You know , kinda like propane tanks .
Range problem solved !
But batteries are heavy , so there has to be a standardized , automated way to change them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of recharging the batteries, why not just swap out the battery itself?
You know, kinda like propane tanks.
Range problem solved!
But batteries are heavy, so there has to be a standardized, automated way to change them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28591593</id>
	<title>Re:How useful in hot climates?</title>
	<author>jusdisgi</author>
	<datestamp>1246822380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you on drugs or something? You think the A/C is going to cut the range <i>in half</i>? I mean, sure, A/C takes some juice....but I really don't think it's comparable to the motive force for the whole vehicle. I'm thinking maybe 10\% range reduction, tops.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you on drugs or something ?
You think the A/C is going to cut the range in half ?
I mean , sure , A/C takes some juice....but I really do n't think it 's comparable to the motive force for the whole vehicle .
I 'm thinking maybe 10 \ % range reduction , tops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you on drugs or something?
You think the A/C is going to cut the range in half?
I mean, sure, A/C takes some juice....but I really don't think it's comparable to the motive force for the whole vehicle.
I'm thinking maybe 10\% range reduction, tops.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28594649</id>
	<title>Re:You prob want a rest after 300 miles</title>
	<author>BoothbyTCD</author>
	<datestamp>1246896240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was my thought too. I don't know what kind of death march no bathroom break driving people do, but when I drive long distances I occasionally stop for meals and to stretch my legs. I think the people who are complaining are the same people who make their kids pee in a bottle rather then pull over at a rest stop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was my thought too .
I do n't know what kind of death march no bathroom break driving people do , but when I drive long distances I occasionally stop for meals and to stretch my legs .
I think the people who are complaining are the same people who make their kids pee in a bottle rather then pull over at a rest stop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was my thought too.
I don't know what kind of death march no bathroom break driving people do, but when I drive long distances I occasionally stop for meals and to stretch my legs.
I think the people who are complaining are the same people who make their kids pee in a bottle rather then pull over at a rest stop.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582813</id>
	<title>Parent post is precisely correct</title>
	<author>cpu\_fusion</author>
	<datestamp>1246704720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in the midwest.  I have a lot of family over the range of this vehicle. However, for day to day operation, I wouldn't need more than 100 miles in range.  A vehicle like this would be my car for driving to work and driving home.</p><p>For driving long distances, I'd just use a gas-based vehicle.  I'd keep my old car around for that.  Probably would need it half a dozen times during the year at most.</p><p>There will be some folks who will find the range of this car to be limiting.  But how many compared to those who won't?</p><p>I think the real issue here is the calendar life of the battery.   How long until I have to replace the batteries?  That's what makes it easier for me to compare, apples to apples, the cost of the car vs. using gas.</p><p>Based on the info I read here: <a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/blog2/?p=39" title="teslamotors.com">http://www.teslamotors.com/blog2/?p=39</a> [teslamotors.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... I'm not too impressed with the thought of 50,000 life on the batteries.<br>Of course, hopefully whatever the battery replacement would be in 5 years of advancing battery technology would make the replacement battery a smart replacement for other reasons<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in the midwest .
I have a lot of family over the range of this vehicle .
However , for day to day operation , I would n't need more than 100 miles in range .
A vehicle like this would be my car for driving to work and driving home.For driving long distances , I 'd just use a gas-based vehicle .
I 'd keep my old car around for that .
Probably would need it half a dozen times during the year at most.There will be some folks who will find the range of this car to be limiting .
But how many compared to those who wo n't ? I think the real issue here is the calendar life of the battery .
How long until I have to replace the batteries ?
That 's what makes it easier for me to compare , apples to apples , the cost of the car vs. using gas.Based on the info I read here : http : //www.teslamotors.com/blog2/ ? p = 39 [ teslamotors.com ] .... I 'm not too impressed with the thought of 50,000 life on the batteries.Of course , hopefully whatever the battery replacement would be in 5 years of advancing battery technology would make the replacement battery a smart replacement for other reasons .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in the midwest.
I have a lot of family over the range of this vehicle.
However, for day to day operation, I wouldn't need more than 100 miles in range.
A vehicle like this would be my car for driving to work and driving home.For driving long distances, I'd just use a gas-based vehicle.
I'd keep my old car around for that.
Probably would need it half a dozen times during the year at most.There will be some folks who will find the range of this car to be limiting.
But how many compared to those who won't?I think the real issue here is the calendar life of the battery.
How long until I have to replace the batteries?
That's what makes it easier for me to compare, apples to apples, the cost of the car vs. using gas.Based on the info I read here: http://www.teslamotors.com/blog2/?p=39 [teslamotors.com] .... I'm not too impressed with the thought of 50,000 life on the batteries.Of course, hopefully whatever the battery replacement would be in 5 years of advancing battery technology would make the replacement battery a smart replacement for other reasons ...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582753</id>
	<title>Another option</title>
	<author>zogger</author>
	<datestamp>1246703940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.betterplace.com/" title="betterplace.com" rel="nofollow">The Better Place project</a> [betterplace.com] They are developing the entire EV stack, the car, the charging stations, battery pack swapout, etc. Nissan/Renault are building the cars. They are talking that in some circumstances, the upfront costs will be less, as they are going to follow something like a cellphone plan,get the ride for cheaper up front, then pay them for the juice to run it. Private charging stations for at home, then at various places out on the road for fast charging or battery swapout, so you can do trips as well. It is a *very* ambitious project, but several nations and states and some cities inside the US have signed into the deal so far.</p><p>
&nbsp; With that said, same as every other electric gadget out there, my bet would be some Chinese manufacturers will be the first to get really cheap/affordable electric cars on the mass market. <a href="http://www.cheryinternational.com/" title="cheryinternational.com" rel="nofollow">Chery</a> [cheryinternational.com] and <a href="http://www.byd.com/" title="byd.com" rel="nofollow">BYD</a> [byd.com] seem to be the ones to watch.</p><p>It doesn't take long for markets to change, or for the big names to fall. I remember when seeing a Japanese car was not happening at all, to then it got to ultra rare and guys said they would never catch on to now they have superior marques and cred and have a huge international market. So who knows, the transportation sector is going through more changes than ever today. And we ARE going to be getting quite a bit more choice than what we had previously, prices, drivetrains, fuel source, all of it.</p><p>Here's an interesting new electric truck that is soon to hit the market <a href="http://www.brightautomotive.com/vehicles/idea-specifications.html" title="brightautomotive.com" rel="nofollow">the IDEA</a> [brightautomotive.com]. A city delivery truck.</p><p>Tell ya the one I would want, a mild hybrid, diesel electric, extended cab, 4wd work truck. For short range around the farm, electric only, need to go further, the diesel kicks the generator on. Stationary it would be a whole house electric backup system/job site generator. Haven't seen any proposed yet, but if someone builds one, I bet they would sell, there's a lot of guys out there who want/need trucks, just would be nicer if they had better mileage and that diesel genny option built in would be *sweet*. With some plugin battery capacity, even if it is just say 10 miles, pure gravy. Being a truck, they could even make that an option, say 10 came standard, then you could pay more for each additional battery pack to give ten more miles on the charge up to some reasonable limit, say 50 miles maybe (you wouldn't want to lose all your cargo capacity in other words, but have options to suit each guy's needs).</p><p>The other idea I really like is a pure electric ride, then an attachable generator trailer for long trips. Best of both worlds that way, the electric modular hybrid. You wouldn't even need to buy the generator trailer unless you wanted to, the dealers (or whomever...) could have them for rent for the times you need to travel long distance, and that could be for both cars and trucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Better Place project [ betterplace.com ] They are developing the entire EV stack , the car , the charging stations , battery pack swapout , etc .
Nissan/Renault are building the cars .
They are talking that in some circumstances , the upfront costs will be less , as they are going to follow something like a cellphone plan,get the ride for cheaper up front , then pay them for the juice to run it .
Private charging stations for at home , then at various places out on the road for fast charging or battery swapout , so you can do trips as well .
It is a * very * ambitious project , but several nations and states and some cities inside the US have signed into the deal so far .
  With that said , same as every other electric gadget out there , my bet would be some Chinese manufacturers will be the first to get really cheap/affordable electric cars on the mass market .
Chery [ cheryinternational.com ] and BYD [ byd.com ] seem to be the ones to watch.It does n't take long for markets to change , or for the big names to fall .
I remember when seeing a Japanese car was not happening at all , to then it got to ultra rare and guys said they would never catch on to now they have superior marques and cred and have a huge international market .
So who knows , the transportation sector is going through more changes than ever today .
And we ARE going to be getting quite a bit more choice than what we had previously , prices , drivetrains , fuel source , all of it.Here 's an interesting new electric truck that is soon to hit the market the IDEA [ brightautomotive.com ] .
A city delivery truck.Tell ya the one I would want , a mild hybrid , diesel electric , extended cab , 4wd work truck .
For short range around the farm , electric only , need to go further , the diesel kicks the generator on .
Stationary it would be a whole house electric backup system/job site generator .
Have n't seen any proposed yet , but if someone builds one , I bet they would sell , there 's a lot of guys out there who want/need trucks , just would be nicer if they had better mileage and that diesel genny option built in would be * sweet * .
With some plugin battery capacity , even if it is just say 10 miles , pure gravy .
Being a truck , they could even make that an option , say 10 came standard , then you could pay more for each additional battery pack to give ten more miles on the charge up to some reasonable limit , say 50 miles maybe ( you would n't want to lose all your cargo capacity in other words , but have options to suit each guy 's needs ) .The other idea I really like is a pure electric ride , then an attachable generator trailer for long trips .
Best of both worlds that way , the electric modular hybrid .
You would n't even need to buy the generator trailer unless you wanted to , the dealers ( or whomever... ) could have them for rent for the times you need to travel long distance , and that could be for both cars and trucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Better Place project [betterplace.com] They are developing the entire EV stack, the car, the charging stations, battery pack swapout, etc.
Nissan/Renault are building the cars.
They are talking that in some circumstances, the upfront costs will be less, as they are going to follow something like a cellphone plan,get the ride for cheaper up front, then pay them for the juice to run it.
Private charging stations for at home, then at various places out on the road for fast charging or battery swapout, so you can do trips as well.
It is a *very* ambitious project, but several nations and states and some cities inside the US have signed into the deal so far.
  With that said, same as every other electric gadget out there, my bet would be some Chinese manufacturers will be the first to get really cheap/affordable electric cars on the mass market.
Chery [cheryinternational.com] and BYD [byd.com] seem to be the ones to watch.It doesn't take long for markets to change, or for the big names to fall.
I remember when seeing a Japanese car was not happening at all, to then it got to ultra rare and guys said they would never catch on to now they have superior marques and cred and have a huge international market.
So who knows, the transportation sector is going through more changes than ever today.
And we ARE going to be getting quite a bit more choice than what we had previously, prices, drivetrains, fuel source, all of it.Here's an interesting new electric truck that is soon to hit the market the IDEA [brightautomotive.com].
A city delivery truck.Tell ya the one I would want, a mild hybrid, diesel electric, extended cab, 4wd work truck.
For short range around the farm, electric only, need to go further, the diesel kicks the generator on.
Stationary it would be a whole house electric backup system/job site generator.
Haven't seen any proposed yet, but if someone builds one, I bet they would sell, there's a lot of guys out there who want/need trucks, just would be nicer if they had better mileage and that diesel genny option built in would be *sweet*.
With some plugin battery capacity, even if it is just say 10 miles, pure gravy.
Being a truck, they could even make that an option, say 10 came standard, then you could pay more for each additional battery pack to give ten more miles on the charge up to some reasonable limit, say 50 miles maybe (you wouldn't want to lose all your cargo capacity in other words, but have options to suit each guy's needs).The other idea I really like is a pure electric ride, then an attachable generator trailer for long trips.
Best of both worlds that way, the electric modular hybrid.
You wouldn't even need to buy the generator trailer unless you wanted to, the dealers (or whomever...) could have them for rent for the times you need to travel long distance, and that could be for both cars and trucks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582159</id>
	<title>Re:You prob want a rest after 300 miles</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1246740960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>300 miles will take some 4 hours to drive, you could prob do with at least a 45 min rest<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so this is finally acceptable range for an electric car.</p></div><p>The article says 80\% charge in under 10 minutes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>300 miles will take some 4 hours to drive , you could prob do with at least a 45 min rest ... so this is finally acceptable range for an electric car.The article says 80 \ % charge in under 10 minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>300 miles will take some 4 hours to drive, you could prob do with at least a 45 min rest ... so this is finally acceptable range for an electric car.The article says 80\% charge in under 10 minutes.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28586197</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price... For taxis a no brainer.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246806840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>given that to produce the amount of enrgy to drive this car( most likely less)  in the worst case scenary would be equal to drive a normal petrol car, but cheaper and cleaner, what is your argument, you can still burn the fossil fuel at the main stations and still better than driving a petrol car</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>given that to produce the amount of enrgy to drive this car ( most likely less ) in the worst case scenary would be equal to drive a normal petrol car , but cheaper and cleaner , what is your argument , you can still burn the fossil fuel at the main stations and still better than driving a petrol car</tokentext>
<sentencetext>given that to produce the amount of enrgy to drive this car( most likely less)  in the worst case scenary would be equal to drive a normal petrol car, but cheaper and cleaner, what is your argument, you can still burn the fossil fuel at the main stations and still better than driving a petrol car</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582125</id>
	<title>Re:New Video of Tesla's...</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1246740660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I, too, enjoy watching AC induction motors going round, and round, and round, and round, and...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I , too , enjoy watching AC induction motors going round , and round , and round , and round , and.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I, too, enjoy watching AC induction motors going round, and round, and round, and round, and...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28588469</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>peas\_n\_carrots</author>
	<datestamp>1246786860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you basing your energy calculations on the amount of gasoline used to drive a certain distance/speed?  Gasoline, while very dense in energy, is used very inefficiently by small ICE engines (e.g. cars).  It's on the order of 20\% efficiency (give or take 5\%, depending on how old the car is and how well it's maintained).  Assuming that's your assumptions, your calculations are off by a factor of 5.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you basing your energy calculations on the amount of gasoline used to drive a certain distance/speed ?
Gasoline , while very dense in energy , is used very inefficiently by small ICE engines ( e.g .
cars ) . It 's on the order of 20 \ % efficiency ( give or take 5 \ % , depending on how old the car is and how well it 's maintained ) .
Assuming that 's your assumptions , your calculations are off by a factor of 5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you basing your energy calculations on the amount of gasoline used to drive a certain distance/speed?
Gasoline, while very dense in energy, is used very inefficiently by small ICE engines (e.g.
cars).  It's on the order of 20\% efficiency (give or take 5\%, depending on how old the car is and how well it's maintained).
Assuming that's your assumptions, your calculations are off by a factor of 5.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28585325</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>SlashWombat</author>
	<datestamp>1246789920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A 1000 Amp 220 volt output at your house would be neat, plenty of capacity to run that new microwave oven. (Or gigawatt fusion facility if you like.) While this does seem a bit out of the range for the average household, it would seem ideal for "Service Stations". (Although, to wait 45 minutes, I hope they have good coffee!) Even extending to 10 hours of charge means 22 kW per hour, or 100 amps given 220 volts, exceeding the supply capacity to most houses anyway.<br> <br>Warning, thick cables carrying 1000's of amps tend to jump about in the earths magnetic field, so stand back as the power is applied, or removed. (Or just ramp the current up/down slowly<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>A 1000 Amp 220 volt output at your house would be neat , plenty of capacity to run that new microwave oven .
( Or gigawatt fusion facility if you like .
) While this does seem a bit out of the range for the average household , it would seem ideal for " Service Stations " .
( Although , to wait 45 minutes , I hope they have good coffee !
) Even extending to 10 hours of charge means 22 kW per hour , or 100 amps given 220 volts , exceeding the supply capacity to most houses anyway .
Warning , thick cables carrying 1000 's of amps tend to jump about in the earths magnetic field , so stand back as the power is applied , or removed .
( Or just ramp the current up/down slowly ... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 1000 Amp 220 volt output at your house would be neat, plenty of capacity to run that new microwave oven.
(Or gigawatt fusion facility if you like.
) While this does seem a bit out of the range for the average household, it would seem ideal for "Service Stations".
(Although, to wait 45 minutes, I hope they have good coffee!
) Even extending to 10 hours of charge means 22 kW per hour, or 100 amps given 220 volts, exceeding the supply capacity to most houses anyway.
Warning, thick cables carrying 1000's of amps tend to jump about in the earths magnetic field, so stand back as the power is applied, or removed.
(Or just ramp the current up/down slowly ...)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583637</id>
	<title>Re:Model S not T</title>
	<author>jamesh</author>
	<datestamp>1246715520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I traded up to a more fuel efficient car nearly a year or so. This one is using half the fuel (5.5l/100km vs 11) and the fuel is about 10\% cheaper (diesel vs petrol). It cost a bit more but it's saving over $50/week, so on the balance it works out around the same, and it's polluting a whole lot less.</p><p>I'm not sure what the going price of a sedan is in US$ but if you did a few hundred miles a day would it offset the price enough to make it less of a jump overall? Or maybe $50K is way over the average cost of a petrol sedan of similar size...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I traded up to a more fuel efficient car nearly a year or so .
This one is using half the fuel ( 5.5l/100km vs 11 ) and the fuel is about 10 \ % cheaper ( diesel vs petrol ) .
It cost a bit more but it 's saving over $ 50/week , so on the balance it works out around the same , and it 's polluting a whole lot less.I 'm not sure what the going price of a sedan is in US $ but if you did a few hundred miles a day would it offset the price enough to make it less of a jump overall ?
Or maybe $ 50K is way over the average cost of a petrol sedan of similar size.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I traded up to a more fuel efficient car nearly a year or so.
This one is using half the fuel (5.5l/100km vs 11) and the fuel is about 10\% cheaper (diesel vs petrol).
It cost a bit more but it's saving over $50/week, so on the balance it works out around the same, and it's polluting a whole lot less.I'm not sure what the going price of a sedan is in US$ but if you did a few hundred miles a day would it offset the price enough to make it less of a jump overall?
Or maybe $50K is way over the average cost of a petrol sedan of similar size...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582531</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price</title>
	<author>torkus</author>
	<datestamp>1246701360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Affordable is relative.  The first product in any area is expensive but that expense is relative.  The first cars were not cheap.  The first computers were not cheap.  The first...and so on.  However each item had relative value.  Both in utility and 'early adopter' shinyness.</p><p>Besides, care to count the number of people driving a $40k lexus, BMW, Infinity...not to mention the 50-60k SUV's...erm..tanks.</p><p>50k isn't inexpensive, but it is certainly within the reach of your upper middle class car buyer.  Especially when you figure in the lower 'fuel' cost, green ego points, and the cool factor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Affordable is relative .
The first product in any area is expensive but that expense is relative .
The first cars were not cheap .
The first computers were not cheap .
The first...and so on .
However each item had relative value .
Both in utility and 'early adopter ' shinyness.Besides , care to count the number of people driving a $ 40k lexus , BMW , Infinity...not to mention the 50-60k SUV 's...erm..tanks.50k is n't inexpensive , but it is certainly within the reach of your upper middle class car buyer .
Especially when you figure in the lower 'fuel ' cost , green ego points , and the cool factor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Affordable is relative.
The first product in any area is expensive but that expense is relative.
The first cars were not cheap.
The first computers were not cheap.
The first...and so on.
However each item had relative value.
Both in utility and 'early adopter' shinyness.Besides, care to count the number of people driving a $40k lexus, BMW, Infinity...not to mention the 50-60k SUV's...erm..tanks.50k isn't inexpensive, but it is certainly within the reach of your upper middle class car buyer.
Especially when you figure in the lower 'fuel' cost, green ego points, and the cool factor.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582441</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone know the economics on these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246700520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Are they in the sort of situation where, as they start selling, Tesla will enjoy economy of scale and prices will go down substantially? Or is this price pretty firm?</i> <br>
<br>
They've clearly stated that this is pretty much their goal. First they came out with the expensive roadster for the very well-to-do people out there. That helps lower production costs to the point where they can release the slightly less expensive coupe (that's what this is). Sales of this (and the roadster) will help fund the next round of cars, which will be ~$25k. Their entire plan is to use economies of scale to lower the production costs (and recoup R&amp;D costs) so that they'll have a range of cars for sale to nearly anyone who can afford a car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are they in the sort of situation where , as they start selling , Tesla will enjoy economy of scale and prices will go down substantially ?
Or is this price pretty firm ?
They 've clearly stated that this is pretty much their goal .
First they came out with the expensive roadster for the very well-to-do people out there .
That helps lower production costs to the point where they can release the slightly less expensive coupe ( that 's what this is ) .
Sales of this ( and the roadster ) will help fund the next round of cars , which will be ~ $ 25k .
Their entire plan is to use economies of scale to lower the production costs ( and recoup R&amp;D costs ) so that they 'll have a range of cars for sale to nearly anyone who can afford a car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are they in the sort of situation where, as they start selling, Tesla will enjoy economy of scale and prices will go down substantially?
Or is this price pretty firm?
They've clearly stated that this is pretty much their goal.
First they came out with the expensive roadster for the very well-to-do people out there.
That helps lower production costs to the point where they can release the slightly less expensive coupe (that's what this is).
Sales of this (and the roadster) will help fund the next round of cars, which will be ~$25k.
Their entire plan is to use economies of scale to lower the production costs (and recoup R&amp;D costs) so that they'll have a range of cars for sale to nearly anyone who can afford a car.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583495</id>
	<title>Re:How useful in hot climates?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246713540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somewhere around 98.6 degrees F this no longer really works well. At 105 degrees, it doesn't matter how fast you go, you will still be hot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somewhere around 98.6 degrees F this no longer really works well .
At 105 degrees , it does n't matter how fast you go , you will still be hot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somewhere around 98.6 degrees F this no longer really works well.
At 105 degrees, it doesn't matter how fast you go, you will still be hot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582009</id>
	<title>Memory Effect</title>
	<author>bezking</author>
	<datestamp>1246739340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>After about a week you'll get a message like this:<br> <br>
<i>Your battery can only hold 2\%  of it's original capacity. To learn about replacement options, please click here.</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>After about a week you 'll get a message like this : Your battery can only hold 2 \ % of it 's original capacity .
To learn about replacement options , please click here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After about a week you'll get a message like this: 
Your battery can only hold 2\%  of it's original capacity.
To learn about replacement options, please click here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582685</id>
	<title>Real world range 100 miles &#226;" same as 100 yea</title>
	<author>xfea</author>
	<datestamp>1246703280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thats why electrics didnt pan out at the turn of the last century, and its a dead end now.<br>The Tesla Roadster, driven like a sports car, cant make 85 mile range.<br>So I guess itll take me five or six day (more&#226;&#166;) to go to San Diego and back to San Francisco.<br>Whoopee!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thats why electrics didnt pan out at the turn of the last century , and its a dead end now.The Tesla Roadster , driven like a sports car , cant make 85 mile range.So I guess itll take me five or six day ( more     ) to go to San Diego and back to San Francisco.Whoopee !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thats why electrics didnt pan out at the turn of the last century, and its a dead end now.The Tesla Roadster, driven like a sports car, cant make 85 mile range.So I guess itll take me five or six day (moreâ¦) to go to San Diego and back to San Francisco.Whoopee!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582077</id>
	<title>Anyone know the economics on these?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1246740240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's great to see an electric car this cool for so cheap.  I mean, $50k isn't cheap, but it's cheap in comparison to their other car, an it seems generally more practical.  If I were going to buy a car, I might consider this, but I might very well decide that $50k is just too much.
</p><p>I'm wondering, though, does anyone know what kind of profit margin Tesla is getting on these?  Is the government subsidizing these at all (for environmental reasons)?  Are they in the sort of situation where, as they start selling, Tesla will enjoy economy of scale and prices will go down substantially?  Or is this price pretty firm?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's great to see an electric car this cool for so cheap .
I mean , $ 50k is n't cheap , but it 's cheap in comparison to their other car , an it seems generally more practical .
If I were going to buy a car , I might consider this , but I might very well decide that $ 50k is just too much .
I 'm wondering , though , does anyone know what kind of profit margin Tesla is getting on these ?
Is the government subsidizing these at all ( for environmental reasons ) ?
Are they in the sort of situation where , as they start selling , Tesla will enjoy economy of scale and prices will go down substantially ?
Or is this price pretty firm ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's great to see an electric car this cool for so cheap.
I mean, $50k isn't cheap, but it's cheap in comparison to their other car, an it seems generally more practical.
If I were going to buy a car, I might consider this, but I might very well decide that $50k is just too much.
I'm wondering, though, does anyone know what kind of profit margin Tesla is getting on these?
Is the government subsidizing these at all (for environmental reasons)?
Are they in the sort of situation where, as they start selling, Tesla will enjoy economy of scale and prices will go down substantially?
Or is this price pretty firm?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583599</id>
	<title>No, Mafia car.</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1246715100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No engine under the hood means you can fit two in there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No engine under the hood means you can fit two in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No engine under the hood means you can fit two in there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583111</id>
	<title>Nice car.</title>
	<author>sproketboy</author>
	<datestamp>1246708800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gave me a boner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gave me a boner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gave me a boner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28591153</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price</title>
	<author>jusdisgi</author>
	<datestamp>1246817520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't get me wrong, I agree that regressive tax breaks are bad in principle. In this particular case, however, the price of the tax break may well be less than the cost of the negative externalities avoided by purchasing an EV. At least until we get some sort of cap-and-trade (or better, a real carbon tax) putting a new ICE car on the street probably costs the taxpayers quite a bit...it's just a lot harder to see.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't get me wrong , I agree that regressive tax breaks are bad in principle .
In this particular case , however , the price of the tax break may well be less than the cost of the negative externalities avoided by purchasing an EV .
At least until we get some sort of cap-and-trade ( or better , a real carbon tax ) putting a new ICE car on the street probably costs the taxpayers quite a bit...it 's just a lot harder to see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't get me wrong, I agree that regressive tax breaks are bad in principle.
In this particular case, however, the price of the tax break may well be less than the cost of the negative externalities avoided by purchasing an EV.
At least until we get some sort of cap-and-trade (or better, a real carbon tax) putting a new ICE car on the street probably costs the taxpayers quite a bit...it's just a lot harder to see.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582231</id>
	<title>Re:You prob want a rest after 300 miles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246698540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The battery pack you get for $57.4K (the cheapest model) is a 160 mile pack, not a 300 mile pack.</p><p>And you aren't going to be able to fully charge it in 45 minutes. LIons just won't stand for it. You should be able to put 85\% of the charge in in 45 minutes, but since it such rapid charging reduces the lifespan of the battery, Tesla doesn't recommend you charge it in 45 minutes (at least they don't recommend it for the Roadster, this has a similar pack so I presume this is the same).</p><p>Acceptable range is kind of a tricky idea, if you had a charger everywhere, then this might be okay. But instead, you are likely to drive to your range and find there is no place to charge it at your stopover or destination.</p><p>Here's an example of how the difficulties in recharging an electric car makes it less useful than a gas car.</p><p><a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/blog5/?p=68" title="teslamotors.com">http://www.teslamotors.com/blog5/?p=68</a> [teslamotors.com]</p><p>This guy took a 40 hour trip and spent 8 hours of it waiting for his car to charge. 4 hours walking (twice) around an RV park waiting for his car to charge to 88\%.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The battery pack you get for $ 57.4K ( the cheapest model ) is a 160 mile pack , not a 300 mile pack.And you are n't going to be able to fully charge it in 45 minutes .
LIons just wo n't stand for it .
You should be able to put 85 \ % of the charge in in 45 minutes , but since it such rapid charging reduces the lifespan of the battery , Tesla does n't recommend you charge it in 45 minutes ( at least they do n't recommend it for the Roadster , this has a similar pack so I presume this is the same ) .Acceptable range is kind of a tricky idea , if you had a charger everywhere , then this might be okay .
But instead , you are likely to drive to your range and find there is no place to charge it at your stopover or destination.Here 's an example of how the difficulties in recharging an electric car makes it less useful than a gas car.http : //www.teslamotors.com/blog5/ ? p = 68 [ teslamotors.com ] This guy took a 40 hour trip and spent 8 hours of it waiting for his car to charge .
4 hours walking ( twice ) around an RV park waiting for his car to charge to 88 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The battery pack you get for $57.4K (the cheapest model) is a 160 mile pack, not a 300 mile pack.And you aren't going to be able to fully charge it in 45 minutes.
LIons just won't stand for it.
You should be able to put 85\% of the charge in in 45 minutes, but since it such rapid charging reduces the lifespan of the battery, Tesla doesn't recommend you charge it in 45 minutes (at least they don't recommend it for the Roadster, this has a similar pack so I presume this is the same).Acceptable range is kind of a tricky idea, if you had a charger everywhere, then this might be okay.
But instead, you are likely to drive to your range and find there is no place to charge it at your stopover or destination.Here's an example of how the difficulties in recharging an electric car makes it less useful than a gas car.http://www.teslamotors.com/blog5/?p=68 [teslamotors.com]This guy took a 40 hour trip and spent 8 hours of it waiting for his car to charge.
4 hours walking (twice) around an RV park waiting for his car to charge to 88\%.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582957</id>
	<title>Re:You prob want a rest after 300 miles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246706580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno, maybe its been said already, but you don't have to make a special trip to a third location to 'refuel'. You drive it to work (in my case, 26 miles with 1200 feet of vertical climbing) and you drive it home and charge it up overnight ready for the next day. I could easily get by with 100 miles range. I would love this. I wouldn't have to waste an extra trip out to refuel once a week. In my case, my wife could drive one gas car to work, I could drive the electric. Yes, I agree its 'less useful' in the sense that I could not own one car to commute, and say take a camping trip to the Sierras (I live in Oakland) to go mountain biking. But, I could commute in it all week long, do bike rides just about anywhere in the Bay Area and not miss the gas.</p><p>I would love to get rid of that dino-juice sucking toxic festival in my driveway. In most respects, Gas engines suck ass when you think about all the maintenance they need, how complicated they are, how expensive to fix, how expensive they are to build, how heavy the engines are along with the support systems, and how much toxic crap is in them to make them run. They are incredibly wasteful. I would welcome a real world usable electric, and I know they can build one I could actually afford. Electric engines are basically set and forget. No oil to change, only bearings and bushings to wear out, which can be easily replaced at minimal cost. There is the issue of the batteries, tho.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno , maybe its been said already , but you do n't have to make a special trip to a third location to 'refuel' .
You drive it to work ( in my case , 26 miles with 1200 feet of vertical climbing ) and you drive it home and charge it up overnight ready for the next day .
I could easily get by with 100 miles range .
I would love this .
I would n't have to waste an extra trip out to refuel once a week .
In my case , my wife could drive one gas car to work , I could drive the electric .
Yes , I agree its 'less useful ' in the sense that I could not own one car to commute , and say take a camping trip to the Sierras ( I live in Oakland ) to go mountain biking .
But , I could commute in it all week long , do bike rides just about anywhere in the Bay Area and not miss the gas.I would love to get rid of that dino-juice sucking toxic festival in my driveway .
In most respects , Gas engines suck ass when you think about all the maintenance they need , how complicated they are , how expensive to fix , how expensive they are to build , how heavy the engines are along with the support systems , and how much toxic crap is in them to make them run .
They are incredibly wasteful .
I would welcome a real world usable electric , and I know they can build one I could actually afford .
Electric engines are basically set and forget .
No oil to change , only bearings and bushings to wear out , which can be easily replaced at minimal cost .
There is the issue of the batteries , tho .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno, maybe its been said already, but you don't have to make a special trip to a third location to 'refuel'.
You drive it to work (in my case, 26 miles with 1200 feet of vertical climbing) and you drive it home and charge it up overnight ready for the next day.
I could easily get by with 100 miles range.
I would love this.
I wouldn't have to waste an extra trip out to refuel once a week.
In my case, my wife could drive one gas car to work, I could drive the electric.
Yes, I agree its 'less useful' in the sense that I could not own one car to commute, and say take a camping trip to the Sierras (I live in Oakland) to go mountain biking.
But, I could commute in it all week long, do bike rides just about anywhere in the Bay Area and not miss the gas.I would love to get rid of that dino-juice sucking toxic festival in my driveway.
In most respects, Gas engines suck ass when you think about all the maintenance they need, how complicated they are, how expensive to fix, how expensive they are to build, how heavy the engines are along with the support systems, and how much toxic crap is in them to make them run.
They are incredibly wasteful.
I would welcome a real world usable electric, and I know they can build one I could actually afford.
Electric engines are basically set and forget.
No oil to change, only bearings and bushings to wear out, which can be easily replaced at minimal cost.
There is the issue of the batteries, tho.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583739</id>
	<title>Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>goombah99</author>
	<datestamp>1246716960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>notice the 45 minute quick charge.</p><p>I don't think it's possible that you could get 300 miles on a 45 minute charge off of a regular household power line.</p><p>my estimate:</p><p>to push a honda accord shaped object at 55 mph through the air takes over 30KW of energy.   that would take 5.4 hours.  to to recharge that would take 220 KW of power assuming no conversion loss.</p><p>if you used a 220 volt line that would be 1000 amps for 45 minutes.    There's no way they would use a 480 volt line since those are catastrophically unsafe for consumers.</p><p>I don't have a 1000 amp service at my house!</p><p>So I don't think the 45 minute quick charge can be used int he same sentence as the 300 miles. But if its some lesser milage then the whole 45 minute statment seems weirdly arbitrary.  Why not say it has a 5 minute quick charge?</p><p>Since the tesla folks are not stupid and have delivered in the past, I'm perplexed what is going on.  Are there going to be special kilo amp charging stations. or did I bork my own math?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>notice the 45 minute quick charge.I do n't think it 's possible that you could get 300 miles on a 45 minute charge off of a regular household power line.my estimate : to push a honda accord shaped object at 55 mph through the air takes over 30KW of energy .
that would take 5.4 hours .
to to recharge that would take 220 KW of power assuming no conversion loss.if you used a 220 volt line that would be 1000 amps for 45 minutes .
There 's no way they would use a 480 volt line since those are catastrophically unsafe for consumers.I do n't have a 1000 amp service at my house ! So I do n't think the 45 minute quick charge can be used int he same sentence as the 300 miles .
But if its some lesser milage then the whole 45 minute statment seems weirdly arbitrary .
Why not say it has a 5 minute quick charge ? Since the tesla folks are not stupid and have delivered in the past , I 'm perplexed what is going on .
Are there going to be special kilo amp charging stations .
or did I bork my own math ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>notice the 45 minute quick charge.I don't think it's possible that you could get 300 miles on a 45 minute charge off of a regular household power line.my estimate:to push a honda accord shaped object at 55 mph through the air takes over 30KW of energy.
that would take 5.4 hours.
to to recharge that would take 220 KW of power assuming no conversion loss.if you used a 220 volt line that would be 1000 amps for 45 minutes.
There's no way they would use a 480 volt line since those are catastrophically unsafe for consumers.I don't have a 1000 amp service at my house!So I don't think the 45 minute quick charge can be used int he same sentence as the 300 miles.
But if its some lesser milage then the whole 45 minute statment seems weirdly arbitrary.
Why not say it has a 5 minute quick charge?Since the tesla folks are not stupid and have delivered in the past, I'm perplexed what is going on.
Are there going to be special kilo amp charging stations.
or did I bork my own math?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582157</id>
	<title>Will anybody really save money with this car?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246740960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I could go buy a new Toyota Corolla and drive it 400,000 miles for what it cost to buy one of these.<br>It will be purchased buy rich people who will spend more time in airplanes than they will in this car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could go buy a new Toyota Corolla and drive it 400,000 miles for what it cost to buy one of these.It will be purchased buy rich people who will spend more time in airplanes than they will in this car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could go buy a new Toyota Corolla and drive it 400,000 miles for what it cost to buy one of these.It will be purchased buy rich people who will spend more time in airplanes than they will in this car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583091</id>
	<title>They Call THAT Affordable?!?</title>
	<author>Ferretman</author>
	<datestamp>1246708560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great Odin!

They want $50K+ for that thing?

It's a nice car but not that nice...sorry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great Odin !
They want $ 50K + for that thing ?
It 's a nice car but not that nice...sorry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great Odin!
They want $50K+ for that thing?
It's a nice car but not that nice...sorry.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583019</id>
	<title>... And $50k? What are we comparing this to?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246707360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does $50k buy you a $18k gas car, but fully electric, or does it buy you something on the level of a $40k Audi, but electric? Looking at the pics, I think its at the higher end of that scale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does $ 50k buy you a $ 18k gas car , but fully electric , or does it buy you something on the level of a $ 40k Audi , but electric ?
Looking at the pics , I think its at the higher end of that scale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does $50k buy you a $18k gas car, but fully electric, or does it buy you something on the level of a $40k Audi, but electric?
Looking at the pics, I think its at the higher end of that scale.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583551</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone know the economics on these?</title>
	<author>Flyer434</author>
	<datestamp>1246714440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
While the Aptera is more efficient than the Tesla, the S uses about 1/2 the energy per mile the Prius does. This is usually compared on a "well to wheel" basis that includes wasted energy in the generation/transportation of the fuel.

Tesla has a page on this stat.
<a href="http://www.teslamotors.com/efficiency/well\_to\_wheel.php" title="teslamotors.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.teslamotors.com/efficiency/well\_to\_wheel.php</a> [teslamotors.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>While the Aptera is more efficient than the Tesla , the S uses about 1/2 the energy per mile the Prius does .
This is usually compared on a " well to wheel " basis that includes wasted energy in the generation/transportation of the fuel .
Tesla has a page on this stat .
http : //www.teslamotors.com/efficiency/well \ _to \ _wheel.php [ teslamotors.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
While the Aptera is more efficient than the Tesla, the S uses about 1/2 the energy per mile the Prius does.
This is usually compared on a "well to wheel" basis that includes wasted energy in the generation/transportation of the fuel.
Tesla has a page on this stat.
http://www.teslamotors.com/efficiency/well\_to\_wheel.php [teslamotors.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28588925</id>
	<title>Re:Model S not T</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1246791240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The ironic part is that GM had a great electric car years ago that they destroyed in favor of things like the Hummer.</p></div><p>Yes, but... I'm convinced they didn't want to sell it.  You don't need to be a marketing guru to see that calling it the "Impact" was sending the wrong sort of message on safety.  And GM is very aware of marketing messages and how you can subtly alter perceptions by using loaded words.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ironic part is that GM had a great electric car years ago that they destroyed in favor of things like the Hummer.Yes , but... I 'm convinced they did n't want to sell it .
You do n't need to be a marketing guru to see that calling it the " Impact " was sending the wrong sort of message on safety .
And GM is very aware of marketing messages and how you can subtly alter perceptions by using loaded words .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ironic part is that GM had a great electric car years ago that they destroyed in favor of things like the Hummer.Yes, but... I'm convinced they didn't want to sell it.
You don't need to be a marketing guru to see that calling it the "Impact" was sending the wrong sort of message on safety.
And GM is very aware of marketing messages and how you can subtly alter perceptions by using loaded words.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582719</id>
	<title>I'm no electrical engineer but I wonder</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1246703640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know there has been some research into using capacitors instead of batteries because they charge nearly instantly and then using some complex circuitry to discharge slowly as a battery would.  I wonder if that research was a failure or if it is still ongoing?</p><p>Another thought is that what if a large capacitor were used to charge the batteries?  Would it then be possible to quick charge the capacitor and then let the capacitor charge the battery?  I wonder how efficient it all might be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know there has been some research into using capacitors instead of batteries because they charge nearly instantly and then using some complex circuitry to discharge slowly as a battery would .
I wonder if that research was a failure or if it is still ongoing ? Another thought is that what if a large capacitor were used to charge the batteries ?
Would it then be possible to quick charge the capacitor and then let the capacitor charge the battery ?
I wonder how efficient it all might be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know there has been some research into using capacitors instead of batteries because they charge nearly instantly and then using some complex circuitry to discharge slowly as a battery would.
I wonder if that research was a failure or if it is still ongoing?Another thought is that what if a large capacitor were used to charge the batteries?
Would it then be possible to quick charge the capacitor and then let the capacitor charge the battery?
I wonder how efficient it all might be.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583363</id>
	<title>Re:Model S not T</title>
	<author>wgoodman</author>
	<datestamp>1246712400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, they're also calling something that runs off DC a Tesla.  Really, it should somehow be running AC or be called an Edison.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , they 're also calling something that runs off DC a Tesla .
Really , it should somehow be running AC or be called an Edison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, they're also calling something that runs off DC a Tesla.
Really, it should somehow be running AC or be called an Edison.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28588473</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price</title>
	<author>Thumper\_SVX</author>
	<datestamp>1246786920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe for some... but for me not so much.</p><p>I currently drive an aging BMW 330i... which has done me sterling service, but is really getting long in the tooth and over 100K miles. Sooner or later I'm going to have to replace it and I'm looking possibly at next year. As a result, I'm looking at a new car, and I'm quite set on a nice one... a new one. At the moment I'm looking very seriously at a BMW 335i or Mercedes C350. Believe it or not, Audi priced themselves out of the market because they provide (in my opinion) just not enough car for the money spent.</p><p>So what am I looking to spend? Funnily enough... right at $50,000. That equals monthly payments with a modest down payment of about $750 a month, give or take over five years. To me, that's doable.</p><p>I'm not trying to brag about my income... I earn a decent income but am by no means rich. My salary hasn't broken the magical six figure mark, and probably won't any time soon, but I still put this Model S in the realms of affordability because the only two things I do on credit are my mortgage and one car payment at a time... never more than that. No credit cards... live on cash.</p><p>So, here we have an American-built sedan that's in the $50,000 range... does sub 6-second 0-60, and as a bonus is a real technological tour de force. No, it won't hang with the 335i or C350 in the quarter... in fact it might but it'll run out of charge in an hurry. But still, the Model S becomes an extremely compelling American car... the only one I would really give a serious look (yes, I drove the Cadillac CTS and while it was a good car it didn't fit "me"). I like it... it has that Aston Martin / Maserati Quattroporte look that I love... a panorama roof (see the pics) and to boot is a zero emissions perfect commuting / light touring car. Wow. For $50,000?</p><p>All those who complain about range... so what? How often do you really drive more than 200 miles at a sitting? I can honestly say that my AVERAGE per day is about 40 miles... max. Maybe 50, tops on a day I go to lunch with my colleagues. I drive more than 200 miles maybe twice or three times a year to Chicago and / or Peoria. For that... I have my Kawasaki Concours 14 if I feel like running on two wheels and solo... or I can rent a car either one-way or return and not worry about it. Hell, to Chicago I can get the train and sleep during the trip.</p><p>I for one wish Tesla the best of luck. If my purchase I plan for next year ends up pushed back to 2011, then a quick trip to California to drive the S might be in the cards instead of my currently planned favourite; the 335i (which is an intoxicating piece of engineering, no mistake, there). The only thing I'd miss is I plan a European Delivery of the Bimmer, with a quick jaunt over the Alps via the Stelvio Pass to spend a week in Northern Italy. But if I end up choosing a Tesla S, then maybe I can still do it by renting a motorcycle instead<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) I'd be able to with my gas savings... though my electricity bill will be intriguing.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe for some... but for me not so much.I currently drive an aging BMW 330i... which has done me sterling service , but is really getting long in the tooth and over 100K miles .
Sooner or later I 'm going to have to replace it and I 'm looking possibly at next year .
As a result , I 'm looking at a new car , and I 'm quite set on a nice one... a new one .
At the moment I 'm looking very seriously at a BMW 335i or Mercedes C350 .
Believe it or not , Audi priced themselves out of the market because they provide ( in my opinion ) just not enough car for the money spent.So what am I looking to spend ?
Funnily enough... right at $ 50,000 .
That equals monthly payments with a modest down payment of about $ 750 a month , give or take over five years .
To me , that 's doable.I 'm not trying to brag about my income... I earn a decent income but am by no means rich .
My salary has n't broken the magical six figure mark , and probably wo n't any time soon , but I still put this Model S in the realms of affordability because the only two things I do on credit are my mortgage and one car payment at a time... never more than that .
No credit cards... live on cash.So , here we have an American-built sedan that 's in the $ 50,000 range... does sub 6-second 0-60 , and as a bonus is a real technological tour de force .
No , it wo n't hang with the 335i or C350 in the quarter... in fact it might but it 'll run out of charge in an hurry .
But still , the Model S becomes an extremely compelling American car... the only one I would really give a serious look ( yes , I drove the Cadillac CTS and while it was a good car it did n't fit " me " ) .
I like it... it has that Aston Martin / Maserati Quattroporte look that I love... a panorama roof ( see the pics ) and to boot is a zero emissions perfect commuting / light touring car .
Wow. For $ 50,000 ? All those who complain about range... so what ?
How often do you really drive more than 200 miles at a sitting ?
I can honestly say that my AVERAGE per day is about 40 miles... max. Maybe 50 , tops on a day I go to lunch with my colleagues .
I drive more than 200 miles maybe twice or three times a year to Chicago and / or Peoria .
For that... I have my Kawasaki Concours 14 if I feel like running on two wheels and solo... or I can rent a car either one-way or return and not worry about it .
Hell , to Chicago I can get the train and sleep during the trip.I for one wish Tesla the best of luck .
If my purchase I plan for next year ends up pushed back to 2011 , then a quick trip to California to drive the S might be in the cards instead of my currently planned favourite ; the 335i ( which is an intoxicating piece of engineering , no mistake , there ) .
The only thing I 'd miss is I plan a European Delivery of the Bimmer , with a quick jaunt over the Alps via the Stelvio Pass to spend a week in Northern Italy .
But if I end up choosing a Tesla S , then maybe I can still do it by renting a motorcycle instead : ) I 'd be able to with my gas savings... though my electricity bill will be intriguing .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe for some... but for me not so much.I currently drive an aging BMW 330i... which has done me sterling service, but is really getting long in the tooth and over 100K miles.
Sooner or later I'm going to have to replace it and I'm looking possibly at next year.
As a result, I'm looking at a new car, and I'm quite set on a nice one... a new one.
At the moment I'm looking very seriously at a BMW 335i or Mercedes C350.
Believe it or not, Audi priced themselves out of the market because they provide (in my opinion) just not enough car for the money spent.So what am I looking to spend?
Funnily enough... right at $50,000.
That equals monthly payments with a modest down payment of about $750 a month, give or take over five years.
To me, that's doable.I'm not trying to brag about my income... I earn a decent income but am by no means rich.
My salary hasn't broken the magical six figure mark, and probably won't any time soon, but I still put this Model S in the realms of affordability because the only two things I do on credit are my mortgage and one car payment at a time... never more than that.
No credit cards... live on cash.So, here we have an American-built sedan that's in the $50,000 range... does sub 6-second 0-60, and as a bonus is a real technological tour de force.
No, it won't hang with the 335i or C350 in the quarter... in fact it might but it'll run out of charge in an hurry.
But still, the Model S becomes an extremely compelling American car... the only one I would really give a serious look (yes, I drove the Cadillac CTS and while it was a good car it didn't fit "me").
I like it... it has that Aston Martin / Maserati Quattroporte look that I love... a panorama roof (see the pics) and to boot is a zero emissions perfect commuting / light touring car.
Wow. For $50,000?All those who complain about range... so what?
How often do you really drive more than 200 miles at a sitting?
I can honestly say that my AVERAGE per day is about 40 miles... max. Maybe 50, tops on a day I go to lunch with my colleagues.
I drive more than 200 miles maybe twice or three times a year to Chicago and / or Peoria.
For that... I have my Kawasaki Concours 14 if I feel like running on two wheels and solo... or I can rent a car either one-way or return and not worry about it.
Hell, to Chicago I can get the train and sleep during the trip.I for one wish Tesla the best of luck.
If my purchase I plan for next year ends up pushed back to 2011, then a quick trip to California to drive the S might be in the cards instead of my currently planned favourite; the 335i (which is an intoxicating piece of engineering, no mistake, there).
The only thing I'd miss is I plan a European Delivery of the Bimmer, with a quick jaunt over the Alps via the Stelvio Pass to spend a week in Northern Italy.
But if I end up choosing a Tesla S, then maybe I can still do it by renting a motorcycle instead :) I'd be able to with my gas savings... though my electricity bill will be intriguing.
;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28584231</id>
	<title>what will happen in a storm flood?</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1246725060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>this thing has high voltage components, so what happens if you try to drive it through two or three feet of water, like you see during flash flooding? granted, you are not <i>supposed</i> to drive through rushing water in a car, but the first time someone does, they will die, the rescue squad will die and everyone else who touches it before the batteries die, will die...</htmltext>
<tokenext>this thing has high voltage components , so what happens if you try to drive it through two or three feet of water , like you see during flash flooding ?
granted , you are not supposed to drive through rushing water in a car , but the first time someone does , they will die , the rescue squad will die and everyone else who touches it before the batteries die , will die.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this thing has high voltage components, so what happens if you try to drive it through two or three feet of water, like you see during flash flooding?
granted, you are not supposed to drive through rushing water in a car, but the first time someone does, they will die, the rescue squad will die and everyone else who touches it before the batteries die, will die...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28596615</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1246904760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My 2003 Prius does. It only hold 11.7 gallons, but does pretty well on mileage<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) My record is actually just over 600 miles, but that was a very good day, and not at my usual highway speeds. I don't think most new cars get 500 miles, but in general, they're ranging farther than they once did. That's been a trend... in college, I had a 1961 Thunderbird... it did about 200 miles on a tank (10mpg and 20 gallons of tank).</p><p>The advantage of all-electric... I could do most of my driving on 100\% renewable energy, since I'm getting 100\% renewable electricity these days (in Jersey, you can choose your power source... I think that's spreading across the country, too). I keep a truck (Toyota Tacoma) for my tree farm work, and my wife has a newish Camry (about 350-400 miles on a tank of gas), so this would be totally practical.</p><p>In fact, I'm likely to replace the Prius with either an all-electric or a plug-in hybrid, depending on how things go with this new technology. The main concern I have with BEVs is that, when they're fully cycled, current battery technologies don't last that long. The Prius battery is only cycled over 40\% of its capacity (60\% in the 2004+ models), that's what keeps it going for a few hundred-thousand miles. There's been a great deal of lab work on micro/nano-engineering anode/cathode materials to prevent battery demise, but until that's proven in the field, the BEV is an expensive proposition. The current Tesla sports car, using off-the-shelf laptop batteries, has an expected battery life of 3-5 years, last I read.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My 2003 Prius does .
It only hold 11.7 gallons , but does pretty well on mileage : - ) My record is actually just over 600 miles , but that was a very good day , and not at my usual highway speeds .
I do n't think most new cars get 500 miles , but in general , they 're ranging farther than they once did .
That 's been a trend... in college , I had a 1961 Thunderbird... it did about 200 miles on a tank ( 10mpg and 20 gallons of tank ) .The advantage of all-electric... I could do most of my driving on 100 \ % renewable energy , since I 'm getting 100 \ % renewable electricity these days ( in Jersey , you can choose your power source... I think that 's spreading across the country , too ) .
I keep a truck ( Toyota Tacoma ) for my tree farm work , and my wife has a newish Camry ( about 350-400 miles on a tank of gas ) , so this would be totally practical.In fact , I 'm likely to replace the Prius with either an all-electric or a plug-in hybrid , depending on how things go with this new technology .
The main concern I have with BEVs is that , when they 're fully cycled , current battery technologies do n't last that long .
The Prius battery is only cycled over 40 \ % of its capacity ( 60 \ % in the 2004 + models ) , that 's what keeps it going for a few hundred-thousand miles .
There 's been a great deal of lab work on micro/nano-engineering anode/cathode materials to prevent battery demise , but until that 's proven in the field , the BEV is an expensive proposition .
The current Tesla sports car , using off-the-shelf laptop batteries , has an expected battery life of 3-5 years , last I read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My 2003 Prius does.
It only hold 11.7 gallons, but does pretty well on mileage :-) My record is actually just over 600 miles, but that was a very good day, and not at my usual highway speeds.
I don't think most new cars get 500 miles, but in general, they're ranging farther than they once did.
That's been a trend... in college, I had a 1961 Thunderbird... it did about 200 miles on a tank (10mpg and 20 gallons of tank).The advantage of all-electric... I could do most of my driving on 100\% renewable energy, since I'm getting 100\% renewable electricity these days (in Jersey, you can choose your power source... I think that's spreading across the country, too).
I keep a truck (Toyota Tacoma) for my tree farm work, and my wife has a newish Camry (about 350-400 miles on a tank of gas), so this would be totally practical.In fact, I'm likely to replace the Prius with either an all-electric or a plug-in hybrid, depending on how things go with this new technology.
The main concern I have with BEVs is that, when they're fully cycled, current battery technologies don't last that long.
The Prius battery is only cycled over 40\% of its capacity (60\% in the 2004+ models), that's what keeps it going for a few hundred-thousand miles.
There's been a great deal of lab work on micro/nano-engineering anode/cathode materials to prevent battery demise, but until that's proven in the field, the BEV is an expensive proposition.
The current Tesla sports car, using off-the-shelf laptop batteries, has an expected battery life of 3-5 years, last I read.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28595751</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price</title>
	<author>TheSync</author>
	<datestamp>1246901400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Ford Model T was introduced at $850 in 1908, about $20,000 in 2008 inflation-adjusted dollars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Ford Model T was introduced at $ 850 in 1908 , about $ 20,000 in 2008 inflation-adjusted dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Ford Model T was introduced at $850 in 1908, about $20,000 in 2008 inflation-adjusted dollars.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582463</id>
	<title>Top Gear found...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246700700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That the car only went about 50 miles or so with an 18 hour charge time:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3bMKR5eXk" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3bMKR5eXk</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That the car only went about 50 miles or so with an 18 hour charge time : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = AG3bMKR5eXk [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That the car only went about 50 miles or so with an 18 hour charge time:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG3bMKR5eXk [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28584487</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price... For taxis a no brainer.</title>
	<author>Saysys</author>
	<datestamp>1246729380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's also about the usable life of a vehicle and, in comparison to the price of the gas, a savings of 14k a year. even if they are super-high-quality and hit the 200k mark the car still costs 21k relative to a 25mi per gallon car.. so being as how you can get a car with better millage with the same capacity for a taxicab at about 14k paying 50\% more doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
<br> <br>
add to that that your relative, if he works only 250 days a year (standard 50 work weeks a year with 2 weeks off) then he drives an average of 400mi a day.. which is a full 1/3rd more than the car has capacity.
<br> <br>
If it was just a little better, would run 400mi a day city driving, say the batteries cost only 4k to replace every 100k miles and the rest of the hardware kept going 500k then the gas savings would pay for the full price of the car and revolutionize not just the taxy-cab biz but how we all drive and utilize our vehicles.
<br> <br>
If people that the gimped "only 400mi a charge" car I had would pay for itself completely over the course of its lifetime they would all get this as a commuter car, without question... but that day is another two or three generations off.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's also about the usable life of a vehicle and , in comparison to the price of the gas , a savings of 14k a year .
even if they are super-high-quality and hit the 200k mark the car still costs 21k relative to a 25mi per gallon car.. so being as how you can get a car with better millage with the same capacity for a taxicab at about 14k paying 50 \ % more does n't seem to make a lot of sense .
add to that that your relative , if he works only 250 days a year ( standard 50 work weeks a year with 2 weeks off ) then he drives an average of 400mi a day.. which is a full 1/3rd more than the car has capacity .
If it was just a little better , would run 400mi a day city driving , say the batteries cost only 4k to replace every 100k miles and the rest of the hardware kept going 500k then the gas savings would pay for the full price of the car and revolutionize not just the taxy-cab biz but how we all drive and utilize our vehicles .
If people that the gimped " only 400mi a charge " car I had would pay for itself completely over the course of its lifetime they would all get this as a commuter car , without question... but that day is another two or three generations off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's also about the usable life of a vehicle and, in comparison to the price of the gas, a savings of 14k a year.
even if they are super-high-quality and hit the 200k mark the car still costs 21k relative to a 25mi per gallon car.. so being as how you can get a car with better millage with the same capacity for a taxicab at about 14k paying 50\% more doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
add to that that your relative, if he works only 250 days a year (standard 50 work weeks a year with 2 weeks off) then he drives an average of 400mi a day.. which is a full 1/3rd more than the car has capacity.
If it was just a little better, would run 400mi a day city driving, say the batteries cost only 4k to replace every 100k miles and the rest of the hardware kept going 500k then the gas savings would pay for the full price of the car and revolutionize not just the taxy-cab biz but how we all drive and utilize our vehicles.
If people that the gimped "only 400mi a charge" car I had would pay for itself completely over the course of its lifetime they would all get this as a commuter car, without question... but that day is another two or three generations off.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28587985</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246826340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are a statistical outlier. Most people (95\% plus) drive less that a half hour to work and less than a couple to other places. No one cares about outlying  cases. You can still buy buy your fossil fuel or move closer or whatever. Why should we care about people who live that far off the grid? You can start making semi annual trips for supplies and live out in the hinterlands or get air drops, or stick with your fossil fuel at $20 a gallon when it's not being refined much any longer</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are a statistical outlier .
Most people ( 95 \ % plus ) drive less that a half hour to work and less than a couple to other places .
No one cares about outlying cases .
You can still buy buy your fossil fuel or move closer or whatever .
Why should we care about people who live that far off the grid ?
You can start making semi annual trips for supplies and live out in the hinterlands or get air drops , or stick with your fossil fuel at $ 20 a gallon when it 's not being refined much any longer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are a statistical outlier.
Most people (95\% plus) drive less that a half hour to work and less than a couple to other places.
No one cares about outlying  cases.
You can still buy buy your fossil fuel or move closer or whatever.
Why should we care about people who live that far off the grid?
You can start making semi annual trips for supplies and live out in the hinterlands or get air drops, or stick with your fossil fuel at $20 a gallon when it's not being refined much any longer</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582417</id>
	<title>Re:How useful in hot climates?</title>
	<author>chinakow</author>
	<datestamp>1246700400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You do realize that all the established car companies talk about 0-60 times and fuel economy in the same brochures right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize that all the established car companies talk about 0-60 times and fuel economy in the same brochures right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize that all the established car companies talk about 0-60 times and fuel economy in the same brochures right?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582075</id>
	<title>Lithium Ion battery safety?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246740180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How does it shield the batteries against impact, etc. causing fire/explosion?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How does it shield the batteries against impact , etc .
causing fire/explosion ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does it shield the batteries against impact, etc.
causing fire/explosion?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582351</id>
	<title>Re:Memory Effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246699740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really? They won't be able to hire someone who can tell ITS from IT IS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
They wo n't be able to hire someone who can tell ITS from IT IS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
They won't be able to hire someone who can tell ITS from IT IS?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28590967</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price... For taxis a no brainer.</title>
	<author>SwabTheDeck</author>
	<datestamp>1246815780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And it's <i>still</i> going to be a lot of fuel, burned somewhere else to make this car's electricity. We need nukes, since the wind and solar things will never put a <i>dent</i> in a massive shift to cars like this.</p></div><p>
Logistically, solar and wind are perfect for an application like an electric car since the energy can be stored in the car's batteries.  The biggest drawback to solar and wind is that they're not "always on", but the car can be charged during times where solar and wind are at peak output and hold that energy for later use.  I'm not ragging on nuclear (I think it's great and we should be trading coal for nuclear, in the very short term), but I think you're being a little naive by thinking that wind and solar can't generate electricity at utility scale.  They're already doing it in many places.  You don't want to be the guy who says something will "never" happen, only to be proved wrong.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And it 's still going to be a lot of fuel , burned somewhere else to make this car 's electricity .
We need nukes , since the wind and solar things will never put a dent in a massive shift to cars like this .
Logistically , solar and wind are perfect for an application like an electric car since the energy can be stored in the car 's batteries .
The biggest drawback to solar and wind is that they 're not " always on " , but the car can be charged during times where solar and wind are at peak output and hold that energy for later use .
I 'm not ragging on nuclear ( I think it 's great and we should be trading coal for nuclear , in the very short term ) , but I think you 're being a little naive by thinking that wind and solar ca n't generate electricity at utility scale .
They 're already doing it in many places .
You do n't want to be the guy who says something will " never " happen , only to be proved wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it's still going to be a lot of fuel, burned somewhere else to make this car's electricity.
We need nukes, since the wind and solar things will never put a dent in a massive shift to cars like this.
Logistically, solar and wind are perfect for an application like an electric car since the energy can be stored in the car's batteries.
The biggest drawback to solar and wind is that they're not "always on", but the car can be charged during times where solar and wind are at peak output and hold that energy for later use.
I'm not ragging on nuclear (I think it's great and we should be trading coal for nuclear, in the very short term), but I think you're being a little naive by thinking that wind and solar can't generate electricity at utility scale.
They're already doing it in many places.
You don't want to be the guy who says something will "never" happen, only to be proved wrong.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582365</id>
	<title>Re:How useful in hot climates?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246699920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>7/40 wont work when its 120-150F on the blacktop, itll just feel like you are cooking yourself faster</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>7/40 wont work when its 120-150F on the blacktop , itll just feel like you are cooking yourself faster</tokentext>
<sentencetext>7/40 wont work when its 120-150F on the blacktop, itll just feel like you are cooking yourself faster</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583017</id>
	<title>Insane price... For taxis a no brainer.</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1246707180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A relative of mine puts 100,0000 miles on a car in a year. That's a lot of fuel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A relative of mine puts 100,0000 miles on a car in a year .
That 's a lot of fuel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A relative of mine puts 100,0000 miles on a car in a year.
That's a lot of fuel.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582079</id>
	<title>How about better range?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246740240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of wasting energy making it accelerate unnecessarily quickly, how about giving it a usefully long range?  A 0-60 time of 5.6 seconds is all very well, but the range and top speed can't compete with ordinary cars.  I guess it fits well in the American market where cars seem to need to have a quick 0-60 time but never need to go any faster than 65mph.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of wasting energy making it accelerate unnecessarily quickly , how about giving it a usefully long range ?
A 0-60 time of 5.6 seconds is all very well , but the range and top speed ca n't compete with ordinary cars .
I guess it fits well in the American market where cars seem to need to have a quick 0-60 time but never need to go any faster than 65mph .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of wasting energy making it accelerate unnecessarily quickly, how about giving it a usefully long range?
A 0-60 time of 5.6 seconds is all very well, but the range and top speed can't compete with ordinary cars.
I guess it fits well in the American market where cars seem to need to have a quick 0-60 time but never need to go any faster than 65mph.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582341</id>
	<title>Re:Model S not T</title>
	<author>Kneo24</author>
	<datestamp>1246699620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Early adopters make economies of scale a realize goal. People who bought the roadster showed that there was continuing interest in a cheaper, more massly produced vehicle. People who buy the model S will do the same. Tesla does want to create a car that they can sell for $20k to $30k. If you have the money why not become an early adopter? Right here is hopefully the future of the automobile industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Early adopters make economies of scale a realize goal .
People who bought the roadster showed that there was continuing interest in a cheaper , more massly produced vehicle .
People who buy the model S will do the same .
Tesla does want to create a car that they can sell for $ 20k to $ 30k .
If you have the money why not become an early adopter ?
Right here is hopefully the future of the automobile industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Early adopters make economies of scale a realize goal.
People who bought the roadster showed that there was continuing interest in a cheaper, more massly produced vehicle.
People who buy the model S will do the same.
Tesla does want to create a car that they can sell for $20k to $30k.
If you have the money why not become an early adopter?
Right here is hopefully the future of the automobile industry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28590757</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>jusdisgi</author>
	<datestamp>1246813680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've seen some of the electric drag-racing nuts have put together "dump chargers" like this: generally just a huge stack of lead-acid batteries. Thing is, your home isn't likely where you want that capability; usually when you get home you'll be there a while. Sure, maybe a lunch break here and there, or whatever...but what you really want dump-charging for is a "gas station" kind of model. And unfortunately I'm not sure it's meant to be; there's a problem with demand. Basically, if 90\%+ of drivers don't need more than the single-charge range, that leaves less than 10\% of people who need to quick-charge at your station. Which might not be a big enough market to support the density of stations we'd need to feel comfortable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen some of the electric drag-racing nuts have put together " dump chargers " like this : generally just a huge stack of lead-acid batteries .
Thing is , your home is n't likely where you want that capability ; usually when you get home you 'll be there a while .
Sure , maybe a lunch break here and there , or whatever...but what you really want dump-charging for is a " gas station " kind of model .
And unfortunately I 'm not sure it 's meant to be ; there 's a problem with demand .
Basically , if 90 \ % + of drivers do n't need more than the single-charge range , that leaves less than 10 \ % of people who need to quick-charge at your station .
Which might not be a big enough market to support the density of stations we 'd need to feel comfortable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen some of the electric drag-racing nuts have put together "dump chargers" like this: generally just a huge stack of lead-acid batteries.
Thing is, your home isn't likely where you want that capability; usually when you get home you'll be there a while.
Sure, maybe a lunch break here and there, or whatever...but what you really want dump-charging for is a "gas station" kind of model.
And unfortunately I'm not sure it's meant to be; there's a problem with demand.
Basically, if 90\%+ of drivers don't need more than the single-charge range, that leaves less than 10\% of people who need to quick-charge at your station.
Which might not be a big enough market to support the density of stations we'd need to feel comfortable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28588311</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone know the economics on these?</title>
	<author>peas\_n\_carrots</author>
	<datestamp>1246785600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed.  Plenty of people drop $50k on a Lexus/BMW/Mercedes/etc pollution spewer without batting an eyelash.  While this price point isn't "cheap", it significantly increases the audience that will consider electric cars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
Plenty of people drop $ 50k on a Lexus/BMW/Mercedes/etc pollution spewer without batting an eyelash .
While this price point is n't " cheap " , it significantly increases the audience that will consider electric cars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
Plenty of people drop $50k on a Lexus/BMW/Mercedes/etc pollution spewer without batting an eyelash.
While this price point isn't "cheap", it significantly increases the audience that will consider electric cars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582055</id>
	<title>Insane price</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1246739880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So much for it being affordable...</p><p>$49,000 USD AFTER deducting the $7,500 federal tax credit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So much for it being affordable... $ 49,000 USD AFTER deducting the $ 7,500 federal tax credit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So much for it being affordable...$49,000 USD AFTER deducting the $7,500 federal tax credit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28589445</id>
	<title>Re:You prob want a rest after 300 miles</title>
	<author>The Iso</author>
	<datestamp>1246797480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you spend most of your time on the road driving...75 miles per hour? Including all stops?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you spend most of your time on the road driving...75 miles per hour ?
Including all stops ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you spend most of your time on the road driving...75 miles per hour?
Including all stops?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28586691</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246813320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't forget $500 billion on "oil" war. These green hippies won't be needing US government to ensure so dramatically the oil availability so that others can get their $3 per gallon gas. Other issue is that CO2 reduction needs to happen someday, giving tax credit now is a good start and saves a lot of money later on. I think the $7500 tax credit is justified and shows how much less collective pressure to secure increasing amounts of oil these electric (or less consuming) cars cause.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget $ 500 billion on " oil " war .
These green hippies wo n't be needing US government to ensure so dramatically the oil availability so that others can get their $ 3 per gallon gas .
Other issue is that CO2 reduction needs to happen someday , giving tax credit now is a good start and saves a lot of money later on .
I think the $ 7500 tax credit is justified and shows how much less collective pressure to secure increasing amounts of oil these electric ( or less consuming ) cars cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget $500 billion on "oil" war.
These green hippies won't be needing US government to ensure so dramatically the oil availability so that others can get their $3 per gallon gas.
Other issue is that CO2 reduction needs to happen someday, giving tax credit now is a good start and saves a lot of money later on.
I think the $7500 tax credit is justified and shows how much less collective pressure to secure increasing amounts of oil these electric (or less consuming) cars cause.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583299</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583129</id>
	<title>looks promising</title>
	<author>toxygen01</author>
	<datestamp>1246708980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>finally a car which will make me apply for driving license</htmltext>
<tokenext>finally a car which will make me apply for driving license</tokentext>
<sentencetext>finally a car which will make me apply for driving license</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28588525</id>
	<title>Do the batteries wear out?</title>
	<author>Bifster</author>
	<datestamp>1246787340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>

<p>300 miles of range?  What about after 1 year of daily use?  After 2 years?</p><p>How much does it cost to replace the worn out Li-Ion battery pack?</p><p>The Dell Laptops we have at work seem to consistently wear down to about 1 hour of capacity after one year of use... That is down from 5 hours capacity when the packs were new.</p><p>So I figure maybe the batteries need to be replaced every year on a commuting vehicle... Anyone care to provide a credible estimate of how that impacts cost of ownership for this vehicle?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>300 miles of range ?
What about after 1 year of daily use ?
After 2 years ? How much does it cost to replace the worn out Li-Ion battery pack ? The Dell Laptops we have at work seem to consistently wear down to about 1 hour of capacity after one year of use... That is down from 5 hours capacity when the packs were new.So I figure maybe the batteries need to be replaced every year on a commuting vehicle... Anyone care to provide a credible estimate of how that impacts cost of ownership for this vehicle ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

300 miles of range?
What about after 1 year of daily use?
After 2 years?How much does it cost to replace the worn out Li-Ion battery pack?The Dell Laptops we have at work seem to consistently wear down to about 1 hour of capacity after one year of use... That is down from 5 hours capacity when the packs were new.So I figure maybe the batteries need to be replaced every year on a commuting vehicle... Anyone care to provide a credible estimate of how that impacts cost of ownership for this vehicle?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582589</id>
	<title>Lord, won't you by me a Tesla Model S</title>
	<author>NoBozo99</author>
	<datestamp>1246702320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My friends are drivin Prius<br>I'm feelin depressed<br>Worked hard all my lifetime, I need to impress<br>So, Lord won't you by me a Tesla Model S</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My friends are drivin PriusI 'm feelin depressedWorked hard all my lifetime , I need to impressSo , Lord wo n't you by me a Tesla Model S</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My friends are drivin PriusI'm feelin depressedWorked hard all my lifetime, I need to impressSo, Lord won't you by me a Tesla Model S</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582167</id>
	<title>Re:How about better range?</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1246741080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Instead of wasting energy making it accelerate unnecessarily quickly, how about giving<br>&gt; it a usefully long range?</p><p>This is electric, not gas.  That isn't a tradeoff.  Any electric motor capable of acceptable performance at highway speeds will accelerate very well: it's the way electric motors are.  If you put in a feeble motor barely able to go 65mph on the level you would only gain a little range, and nobody would buy it.  And it could still lay rubber.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Instead of wasting energy making it accelerate unnecessarily quickly , how about giving &gt; it a usefully long range ? This is electric , not gas .
That is n't a tradeoff .
Any electric motor capable of acceptable performance at highway speeds will accelerate very well : it 's the way electric motors are .
If you put in a feeble motor barely able to go 65mph on the level you would only gain a little range , and nobody would buy it .
And it could still lay rubber .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Instead of wasting energy making it accelerate unnecessarily quickly, how about giving&gt; it a usefully long range?This is electric, not gas.
That isn't a tradeoff.
Any electric motor capable of acceptable performance at highway speeds will accelerate very well: it's the way electric motors are.
If you put in a feeble motor barely able to go 65mph on the level you would only gain a little range, and nobody would buy it.
And it could still lay rubber.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28588501</id>
	<title>Overkill</title>
	<author>torok</author>
	<datestamp>1246787100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't understand the current thinking that only a full-sized electric car will help us.

Small three-wheeler electric vehicles for commuters, that are *affordable*, would help immensely. The only ones I've seen cost more than a civic hybrid (e.g. <a href="http://www.flytheroad.com/" title="flytheroad.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.flytheroad.com/</a> [flytheroad.com])</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand the current thinking that only a full-sized electric car will help us .
Small three-wheeler electric vehicles for commuters , that are * affordable * , would help immensely .
The only ones I 've seen cost more than a civic hybrid ( e.g .
http : //www.flytheroad.com/ [ flytheroad.com ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand the current thinking that only a full-sized electric car will help us.
Small three-wheeler electric vehicles for commuters, that are *affordable*, would help immensely.
The only ones I've seen cost more than a civic hybrid (e.g.
http://www.flytheroad.com/ [flytheroad.com])</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582425</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone know the economics on these?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246700460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know the economics of these for the average person, but right now America is consuming a big chunk of the energy the world produces and is way far ahead per capita than most other countries, even other 1st world countries with similiar standards of living (maybe except Canada), something like Germany.  Some of it due to our car oriented culture (which no product will fix, but an infrastructure issue - go by a European high school vs American suburban high school and check out ratio of cars to bicycles in the parking lot).  Another is just poor construction practices like inadequate insulation or outdated heaters.  Etc.</p><p>Looking at this car, the profile doesn't seem any more efficient than a regular car, which is way something like the Aptera.  It's electric, which is a good start, especially considering the possible modular nature of the energy source, and coupled with a tiny hybrid petroleum engine which only has to produce constant energy instead of big enough for a "peak" performance need.</p><p>But it doesn't push air out of the way more efficiently, the other side of the equation.  Because electricity isn't "clean" right now, just a bit better.  And the chemicals for batteries need to be mined, itself a dirty process, as well as being processed at the end of its life - so it makes a difference if a car can get a 300 mile range on X amount of units instead of 2X or 3X or more.</p><p>That's why I woud always support something like the Aptera<br><a href="http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video\_player.shtml?vid=1104622" title="jaylenosgarage.com">http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video\_player.shtml?vid=1104622</a> [jaylenosgarage.com]</p><p>This model Tesla looks pretty sexy like it's bigger brother so it will have an easy time selling, but beyond the gas vs electric issue, I wonder really how efficient it truly is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know the economics of these for the average person , but right now America is consuming a big chunk of the energy the world produces and is way far ahead per capita than most other countries , even other 1st world countries with similiar standards of living ( maybe except Canada ) , something like Germany .
Some of it due to our car oriented culture ( which no product will fix , but an infrastructure issue - go by a European high school vs American suburban high school and check out ratio of cars to bicycles in the parking lot ) .
Another is just poor construction practices like inadequate insulation or outdated heaters .
Etc.Looking at this car , the profile does n't seem any more efficient than a regular car , which is way something like the Aptera .
It 's electric , which is a good start , especially considering the possible modular nature of the energy source , and coupled with a tiny hybrid petroleum engine which only has to produce constant energy instead of big enough for a " peak " performance need.But it does n't push air out of the way more efficiently , the other side of the equation .
Because electricity is n't " clean " right now , just a bit better .
And the chemicals for batteries need to be mined , itself a dirty process , as well as being processed at the end of its life - so it makes a difference if a car can get a 300 mile range on X amount of units instead of 2X or 3X or more.That 's why I woud always support something like the Apterahttp : //www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video \ _player.shtml ? vid = 1104622 [ jaylenosgarage.com ] This model Tesla looks pretty sexy like it 's bigger brother so it will have an easy time selling , but beyond the gas vs electric issue , I wonder really how efficient it truly is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know the economics of these for the average person, but right now America is consuming a big chunk of the energy the world produces and is way far ahead per capita than most other countries, even other 1st world countries with similiar standards of living (maybe except Canada), something like Germany.
Some of it due to our car oriented culture (which no product will fix, but an infrastructure issue - go by a European high school vs American suburban high school and check out ratio of cars to bicycles in the parking lot).
Another is just poor construction practices like inadequate insulation or outdated heaters.
Etc.Looking at this car, the profile doesn't seem any more efficient than a regular car, which is way something like the Aptera.
It's electric, which is a good start, especially considering the possible modular nature of the energy source, and coupled with a tiny hybrid petroleum engine which only has to produce constant energy instead of big enough for a "peak" performance need.But it doesn't push air out of the way more efficiently, the other side of the equation.
Because electricity isn't "clean" right now, just a bit better.
And the chemicals for batteries need to be mined, itself a dirty process, as well as being processed at the end of its life - so it makes a difference if a car can get a 300 mile range on X amount of units instead of 2X or 3X or more.That's why I woud always support something like the Apterahttp://www.jaylenosgarage.com/video/video\_player.shtml?vid=1104622 [jaylenosgarage.com]This model Tesla looks pretty sexy like it's bigger brother so it will have an easy time selling, but beyond the gas vs electric issue, I wonder really how efficient it truly is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28584495</id>
	<title>Re:Model S not T</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246729440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The ironic part is that GM had a great electric car years ago that they destroyed in favor of things like the Hummer.</i></p><p>You need to stop getting your opinions from popular movies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ironic part is that GM had a great electric car years ago that they destroyed in favor of things like the Hummer.You need to stop getting your opinions from popular movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ironic part is that GM had a great electric car years ago that they destroyed in favor of things like the Hummer.You need to stop getting your opinions from popular movies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28584959</id>
	<title>Why do we bother with quick recharge?</title>
	<author>hughbar</author>
	<datestamp>1246825500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course, we can standardise the batteries and built exchange stations like miniature versions of those container ports (think of the batteries as containers).
<br> <br>
But I suspect, each manufacturer will patent the form factor of their battery (even if it delivers within the same parameters) for maximum lock-in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , we can standardise the batteries and built exchange stations like miniature versions of those container ports ( think of the batteries as containers ) .
But I suspect , each manufacturer will patent the form factor of their battery ( even if it delivers within the same parameters ) for maximum lock-in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, we can standardise the batteries and built exchange stations like miniature versions of those container ports (think of the batteries as containers).
But I suspect, each manufacturer will patent the form factor of their battery (even if it delivers within the same parameters) for maximum lock-in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582239</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246698660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>They aren't an established company like GM or Ford, it makes sense for them to start out with high-end customized vehicles, grow large on that, and then slowly descend into the mass market as economies of scale start to kick in. There's no other good business model that does not require eight digits of initial capital.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are n't an established company like GM or Ford , it makes sense for them to start out with high-end customized vehicles , grow large on that , and then slowly descend into the mass market as economies of scale start to kick in .
There 's no other good business model that does not require eight digits of initial capital .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They aren't an established company like GM or Ford, it makes sense for them to start out with high-end customized vehicles, grow large on that, and then slowly descend into the mass market as economies of scale start to kick in.
There's no other good business model that does not require eight digits of initial capital.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583155</id>
	<title>Re:How about better range?</title>
	<author>jon3k</author>
	<datestamp>1246709340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The average daily commute distance is about 24 minutes over a distance of 16 miles in the United States (probably much higher than other countries, urban sprawl and all).  The Model S has a range of 300 miles, which is very good.  Assuming that it's even possible to trade range for power, I think they've struck an excellent balance between distance and power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The average daily commute distance is about 24 minutes over a distance of 16 miles in the United States ( probably much higher than other countries , urban sprawl and all ) .
The Model S has a range of 300 miles , which is very good .
Assuming that it 's even possible to trade range for power , I think they 've struck an excellent balance between distance and power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The average daily commute distance is about 24 minutes over a distance of 16 miles in the United States (probably much higher than other countries, urban sprawl and all).
The Model S has a range of 300 miles, which is very good.
Assuming that it's even possible to trade range for power, I think they've struck an excellent balance between distance and power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582029</id>
	<title>Model S not T</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246739700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At $50,000 do they think it is too expensive to call it the model T? Do they think calling it the model T would be too arrogant? Maybe the next one will be cheaper and then they will go ahead and give it the next name. After all we would all like to see the model T version of the electric car that will get us off of expensive oil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At $ 50,000 do they think it is too expensive to call it the model T ?
Do they think calling it the model T would be too arrogant ?
Maybe the next one will be cheaper and then they will go ahead and give it the next name .
After all we would all like to see the model T version of the electric car that will get us off of expensive oil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At $50,000 do they think it is too expensive to call it the model T?
Do they think calling it the model T would be too arrogant?
Maybe the next one will be cheaper and then they will go ahead and give it the next name.
After all we would all like to see the model T version of the electric car that will get us off of expensive oil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582415</id>
	<title>I could see buying one</title>
	<author>UttBuggly</author>
	<datestamp>1246700400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like the looks, the center "iCar" console screen, and it's unlikely I'll ever drive anywhere further than 300 miles. For any significant distance, I'm on a plane.</p><p>The price doesn't seem that bad, but I bet it's closer to $60K by launch. Even then, I will probably take a look at one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the looks , the center " iCar " console screen , and it 's unlikely I 'll ever drive anywhere further than 300 miles .
For any significant distance , I 'm on a plane.The price does n't seem that bad , but I bet it 's closer to $ 60K by launch .
Even then , I will probably take a look at one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the looks, the center "iCar" console screen, and it's unlikely I'll ever drive anywhere further than 300 miles.
For any significant distance, I'm on a plane.The price doesn't seem that bad, but I bet it's closer to $60K by launch.
Even then, I will probably take a look at one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28583349</id>
	<title>The rear view mirror</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1246712040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>They aren't an established company like GM or Ford, it makes sense for them to start out with high-end customized vehicles, grow large on that, and then slowly descend into the mass market as economies of scale start to kick in.</i> </p><p>Henry Ford's production cars were mass market from Day 1. That distinguished them from almost everything else on the road.</p><p> Oldsmobile had pioneered the idea - but the Olds was an toy-like gas buggy:</p><p><i>Now when they go for a spin, you know,<br>She tries to learn the auto, so<br>He lets her steer, while he gets her ear<br>And whispers soft and low...</i> <br>
&nbsp; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In\_My\_Merry\_Oldsmobile" title="wikipedia.org">In My Merry Oldsmobile</a> [wikipedia.org] </p><p>Ford didn't wait for economies of scale to kick in. His engineers designed economies of scale into the car - into the production line.</p><p>Ford was relentless in his drive to eliminate skilled craft work. His four cylinder engine was cast as a single block - a first, I believe.</p><p>The Ford Model A and Model T were tough and versatile - mass market sales meant that Ford had real money to spend on R&amp;D.</p><p>But Ford did enter the business as a young man. He was very slow in adopting later innovations like the electric starter.</p><p>The emphasis on color, style and comfort that marked the entry of the Chevy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are n't an established company like GM or Ford , it makes sense for them to start out with high-end customized vehicles , grow large on that , and then slowly descend into the mass market as economies of scale start to kick in .
Henry Ford 's production cars were mass market from Day 1 .
That distinguished them from almost everything else on the road .
Oldsmobile had pioneered the idea - but the Olds was an toy-like gas buggy : Now when they go for a spin , you know,She tries to learn the auto , soHe lets her steer , while he gets her earAnd whispers soft and low.. .   In My Merry Oldsmobile [ wikipedia.org ] Ford did n't wait for economies of scale to kick in .
His engineers designed economies of scale into the car - into the production line.Ford was relentless in his drive to eliminate skilled craft work .
His four cylinder engine was cast as a single block - a first , I believe.The Ford Model A and Model T were tough and versatile - mass market sales meant that Ford had real money to spend on R&amp;D.But Ford did enter the business as a young man .
He was very slow in adopting later innovations like the electric starter.The emphasis on color , style and comfort that marked the entry of the Chevy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They aren't an established company like GM or Ford, it makes sense for them to start out with high-end customized vehicles, grow large on that, and then slowly descend into the mass market as economies of scale start to kick in.
Henry Ford's production cars were mass market from Day 1.
That distinguished them from almost everything else on the road.
Oldsmobile had pioneered the idea - but the Olds was an toy-like gas buggy:Now when they go for a spin, you know,She tries to learn the auto, soHe lets her steer, while he gets her earAnd whispers soft and low... 
  In My Merry Oldsmobile [wikipedia.org] Ford didn't wait for economies of scale to kick in.
His engineers designed economies of scale into the car - into the production line.Ford was relentless in his drive to eliminate skilled craft work.
His four cylinder engine was cast as a single block - a first, I believe.The Ford Model A and Model T were tough and versatile - mass market sales meant that Ford had real money to spend on R&amp;D.But Ford did enter the business as a young man.
He was very slow in adopting later innovations like the electric starter.The emphasis on color, style and comfort that marked the entry of the Chevy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582097</id>
	<title>You prob want a rest after 300 miles</title>
	<author>Alain Williams</author>
	<datestamp>1246740360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>300 miles will take some 4 hours to drive, you could prob do with at least a 45 min rest<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so this is finally acceptable range for an electric car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>300 miles will take some 4 hours to drive , you could prob do with at least a 45 min rest ... so this is finally acceptable range for an electric car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>300 miles will take some 4 hours to drive, you could prob do with at least a 45 min rest ... so this is finally acceptable range for an electric car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582019</id>
	<title>Circus car?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246739460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>7 people? Where are the clowns?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>7 people ?
Where are the clowns ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>7 people?
Where are the clowns?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582953</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price</title>
	<author>netflix</author>
	<datestamp>1246706460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tesla is actually recieving a nearly half-billion dollar loan from the DoE, mainly for the development of the Model S.

IIRC the company burned through a ton of cash and was looking at bankruptcy before securing the loan from the DoE.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tesla is actually recieving a nearly half-billion dollar loan from the DoE , mainly for the development of the Model S . IIRC the company burned through a ton of cash and was looking at bankruptcy before securing the loan from the DoE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tesla is actually recieving a nearly half-billion dollar loan from the DoE, mainly for the development of the Model S.

IIRC the company burned through a ton of cash and was looking at bankruptcy before securing the loan from the DoE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28592671</id>
	<title>Re:Insane price</title>
	<author>labnet</author>
	<datestamp>1246882260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What you really mean is: after the $7,500 more in taxes that other people, who can't afford this car, will be paying on behalf of the person who can afford it. That's nice. So progressive.</p></div><p>You mean the $7500 printed by the Fed out of thin air and bought by Chinese that actualy make stuff.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you really mean is : after the $ 7,500 more in taxes that other people , who ca n't afford this car , will be paying on behalf of the person who can afford it .
That 's nice .
So progressive.You mean the $ 7500 printed by the Fed out of thin air and bought by Chinese that actualy make stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you really mean is: after the $7,500 more in taxes that other people, who can't afford this car, will be paying on behalf of the person who can afford it.
That's nice.
So progressive.You mean the $7500 printed by the Fed out of thin air and bought by Chinese that actualy make stuff.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28586347</id>
	<title>Re:How useful in hot climates?</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1246809120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Better than in cold climates.  The winter here kills batteries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Better than in cold climates .
The winter here kills batteries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Better than in cold climates.
The winter here kills batteries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582153</id>
	<title>Re:How about better range?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246740960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's about the torque. Those electric motors have full torque when they start moving, unlike the internal combustion types that need to spin up to a certain RPM to maximize torque. The transmission tries to even this out, but with an electric, you just have more acceleration from a stop by the nature of the design. I'm more interested in how fast they can go from 60-100 mph, like when you need to pass someone. In theory it would be similar, but not better.</p><p>If I had the money, it would be a no-brainer for me. Since I don't have the money, it's still a no-brainer, but on the side of "no".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's about the torque .
Those electric motors have full torque when they start moving , unlike the internal combustion types that need to spin up to a certain RPM to maximize torque .
The transmission tries to even this out , but with an electric , you just have more acceleration from a stop by the nature of the design .
I 'm more interested in how fast they can go from 60-100 mph , like when you need to pass someone .
In theory it would be similar , but not better.If I had the money , it would be a no-brainer for me .
Since I do n't have the money , it 's still a no-brainer , but on the side of " no " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's about the torque.
Those electric motors have full torque when they start moving, unlike the internal combustion types that need to spin up to a certain RPM to maximize torque.
The transmission tries to even this out, but with an electric, you just have more acceleration from a stop by the nature of the design.
I'm more interested in how fast they can go from 60-100 mph, like when you need to pass someone.
In theory it would be similar, but not better.If I had the money, it would be a no-brainer for me.
Since I don't have the money, it's still a no-brainer, but on the side of "no".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582671</id>
	<title>Tesla Roadster test drive report</title>
	<author>thrillseeker</author>
	<datestamp>1246703160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A (wealthy) friend had his delivered recently.  Here's my twisty road test report.
<br> <br>
Executive Summary: Oh. My. God.
<br> <br>
Systems Lacking: 4-point harnesses, sufficient handholds for passenger, automated system to maintain directional control during GLOC on launch, earplugs to block whimpering sounds from passenger seat</htmltext>
<tokenext>A ( wealthy ) friend had his delivered recently .
Here 's my twisty road test report .
Executive Summary : Oh .
My. God .
Systems Lacking : 4-point harnesses , sufficient handholds for passenger , automated system to maintain directional control during GLOC on launch , earplugs to block whimpering sounds from passenger seat</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A (wealthy) friend had his delivered recently.
Here's my twisty road test report.
Executive Summary: Oh.
My. God.
Systems Lacking: 4-point harnesses, sufficient handholds for passenger, automated system to maintain directional control during GLOC on launch, earplugs to block whimpering sounds from passenger seat</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28596891</id>
	<title>Re:Model S not T</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1246905900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the EV-1 was long dead before GM bought the consumer division of AM General to make the Hummers. Within GM, it was the problems with batteries (the fully cycled NiMh batteries in the EV-1 were only expected to last about three years) as much as range (75-100 miles on a charge) that killed the project. There are lots of conspiracies, of course.. there's a film about it, too. I also understand there was a big push by the fuel cell people in GM to cancel the EV as a dead-end... thus funneling that money into FCEVs. That was stupid... any FCEV is probably a hybrid anyway, and definitely an EV... all of that tech would have been jump-started.</p><p>There was also the problem that, profitably sold, the EV-1s would have cost over $100,000 at the time. Keep in mind, Stanley Ovshinsky had only recently invented the NiMh cell (the first model of the EV-1 used lead-acid cells, and had a 35-50 mile range)... this was cutting edge stuff, and still very expensive.</p><p>Today, it's still the battery. So far, no one's got a commercial battery for these things yet... maybe Real Soon Now, lots of things are in the labs, but not just yet. Even the Chevy Volt is pushing hard on battery technology... their requirements are for about 10x the normal charge/discharge cycles versus the usual Li--ion/Li-poly cells (up to around 500... GM's claiming 4,500 for the Volt's cells).  You can cheat on a hybrid... the Prius only cycles over 60\% of the capacity of the cell, for example... not practical when you need to squeeze significant range out of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the EV-1 was long dead before GM bought the consumer division of AM General to make the Hummers .
Within GM , it was the problems with batteries ( the fully cycled NiMh batteries in the EV-1 were only expected to last about three years ) as much as range ( 75-100 miles on a charge ) that killed the project .
There are lots of conspiracies , of course.. there 's a film about it , too .
I also understand there was a big push by the fuel cell people in GM to cancel the EV as a dead-end... thus funneling that money into FCEVs .
That was stupid... any FCEV is probably a hybrid anyway , and definitely an EV... all of that tech would have been jump-started.There was also the problem that , profitably sold , the EV-1s would have cost over $ 100,000 at the time .
Keep in mind , Stanley Ovshinsky had only recently invented the NiMh cell ( the first model of the EV-1 used lead-acid cells , and had a 35-50 mile range ) ... this was cutting edge stuff , and still very expensive.Today , it 's still the battery .
So far , no one 's got a commercial battery for these things yet... maybe Real Soon Now , lots of things are in the labs , but not just yet .
Even the Chevy Volt is pushing hard on battery technology... their requirements are for about 10x the normal charge/discharge cycles versus the usual Li--ion/Li-poly cells ( up to around 500... GM 's claiming 4,500 for the Volt 's cells ) .
You can cheat on a hybrid... the Prius only cycles over 60 \ % of the capacity of the cell , for example... not practical when you need to squeeze significant range out of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the EV-1 was long dead before GM bought the consumer division of AM General to make the Hummers.
Within GM, it was the problems with batteries (the fully cycled NiMh batteries in the EV-1 were only expected to last about three years) as much as range (75-100 miles on a charge) that killed the project.
There are lots of conspiracies, of course.. there's a film about it, too.
I also understand there was a big push by the fuel cell people in GM to cancel the EV as a dead-end... thus funneling that money into FCEVs.
That was stupid... any FCEV is probably a hybrid anyway, and definitely an EV... all of that tech would have been jump-started.There was also the problem that, profitably sold, the EV-1s would have cost over $100,000 at the time.
Keep in mind, Stanley Ovshinsky had only recently invented the NiMh cell (the first model of the EV-1 used lead-acid cells, and had a 35-50 mile range)... this was cutting edge stuff, and still very expensive.Today, it's still the battery.
So far, no one's got a commercial battery for these things yet... maybe Real Soon Now, lots of things are in the labs, but not just yet.
Even the Chevy Volt is pushing hard on battery technology... their requirements are for about 10x the normal charge/discharge cycles versus the usual Li--ion/Li-poly cells (up to around 500... GM's claiming 4,500 for the Volt's cells).
You can cheat on a hybrid... the Prius only cycles over 60\% of the capacity of the cell, for example... not practical when you need to squeeze significant range out of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582701</id>
	<title>Re:How useful in hot climates?</title>
	<author>socsoc</author>
	<datestamp>1246703460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I left from Banning, no matter the time of year, I'd be happy with however far any vehicle can deliver me from there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I left from Banning , no matter the time of year , I 'd be happy with however far any vehicle can deliver me from there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I left from Banning, no matter the time of year, I'd be happy with however far any vehicle can deliver me from there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28586159</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1246806300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you try to charge batteries too fast they tend to explode.  So the 45 minute quick charge figure means you can charge the battery to 90\% capacity or something, if you have the power outlet to do it.  You probably don't - that would require some sort of service station.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you try to charge batteries too fast they tend to explode .
So the 45 minute quick charge figure means you can charge the battery to 90 \ % capacity or something , if you have the power outlet to do it .
You probably do n't - that would require some sort of service station .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you try to charge batteries too fast they tend to explode.
So the 45 minute quick charge figure means you can charge the battery to 90\% capacity or something, if you have the power outlet to do it.
You probably don't - that would require some sort of service station.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582189</id>
	<title>Re:You prob want a rest after 300 miles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246698060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're not American, are you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're not American , are you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're not American, are you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28585427</id>
	<title>Re:what will happen in a storm flood?</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1246791840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>what happens if you try to drive it through two or three feet of water</i></p><p>You generate energy for other cars by producing oxygen and hydrogen.  No problem<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what happens if you try to drive it through two or three feet of waterYou generate energy for other cars by producing oxygen and hydrogen .
No problem : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what happens if you try to drive it through two or three feet of waterYou generate energy for other cars by producing oxygen and hydrogen.
No problem :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582587</id>
	<title>Re:Anyone know the economics on these?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1246702320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Some of it due to our car oriented culture (which no product will fix, but an infrastructure issue - go by a European high school vs American suburban high school and check out ratio of cars to bicycles in the parking lot). Another is just poor construction practices like inadequate insulation or outdated heaters. Etc.</p></div><p>I'm with you there.  Part of the reason I said, "If I were going to buy a car..." was that I don't own a car and ride a bike to work.  But if I were going to buy a car, I'd like to be able to buy as efficient and environmentally friendly of a car as I can without breaking the bank, so I'm happy to see someone working on the problem.
</p><p>As far as the Aptera, sure I'd like to see something like that be successful.  Hell, I'd like to see even more radical solutions proposed, e.g. single-person transports for cities, but then you still have to address all the technical and economic problems like cost and recharge time.  Then on top of that you have to convince people to accept these new things as "normal".  If not "normal", than "cool".  It's a tough sell for most people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of it due to our car oriented culture ( which no product will fix , but an infrastructure issue - go by a European high school vs American suburban high school and check out ratio of cars to bicycles in the parking lot ) .
Another is just poor construction practices like inadequate insulation or outdated heaters .
Etc.I 'm with you there .
Part of the reason I said , " If I were going to buy a car... " was that I do n't own a car and ride a bike to work .
But if I were going to buy a car , I 'd like to be able to buy as efficient and environmentally friendly of a car as I can without breaking the bank , so I 'm happy to see someone working on the problem .
As far as the Aptera , sure I 'd like to see something like that be successful .
Hell , I 'd like to see even more radical solutions proposed , e.g .
single-person transports for cities , but then you still have to address all the technical and economic problems like cost and recharge time .
Then on top of that you have to convince people to accept these new things as " normal " .
If not " normal " , than " cool " .
It 's a tough sell for most people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Some of it due to our car oriented culture (which no product will fix, but an infrastructure issue - go by a European high school vs American suburban high school and check out ratio of cars to bicycles in the parking lot).
Another is just poor construction practices like inadequate insulation or outdated heaters.
Etc.I'm with you there.
Part of the reason I said, "If I were going to buy a car..." was that I don't own a car and ride a bike to work.
But if I were going to buy a car, I'd like to be able to buy as efficient and environmentally friendly of a car as I can without breaking the bank, so I'm happy to see someone working on the problem.
As far as the Aptera, sure I'd like to see something like that be successful.
Hell, I'd like to see even more radical solutions proposed, e.g.
single-person transports for cities, but then you still have to address all the technical and economic problems like cost and recharge time.
Then on top of that you have to convince people to accept these new things as "normal".
If not "normal", than "cool".
It's a tough sell for most people.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582165</id>
	<title>7 People?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246741020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the only way 7 people are going to fit in them is if 2 of them are dead bodies in the trunk.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the only way 7 people are going to fit in them is if 2 of them are dead bodies in the trunk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the only way 7 people are going to fit in them is if 2 of them are dead bodies in the trunk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28582191</id>
	<title>How useful in hot climates?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246698060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's just under 300 miles from Banning, CA, to Phoenix, AZ.  Wonder what the mileage would be for that drive leaving Banning around 10 am the first week of September and using the air-conditioner.  Probably wouldn't get to Blyth which is about half way.  The electric and hybrid car ads and news stories never talk about the added burden of the air-conditioner and its power requirements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's just under 300 miles from Banning , CA , to Phoenix , AZ .
Wonder what the mileage would be for that drive leaving Banning around 10 am the first week of September and using the air-conditioner .
Probably would n't get to Blyth which is about half way .
The electric and hybrid car ads and news stories never talk about the added burden of the air-conditioner and its power requirements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's just under 300 miles from Banning, CA, to Phoenix, AZ.
Wonder what the mileage would be for that drive leaving Banning around 10 am the first week of September and using the air-conditioner.
Probably wouldn't get to Blyth which is about half way.
The electric and hybrid car ads and news stories never talk about the added burden of the air-conditioner and its power requirements.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_1849214.28584415</id>
	<title>Re:Reality check can't be cashed</title>
	<author>madcat2c</author>
	<datestamp>1246727760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps the "charge" unit at the house will be some sort of capacitor that can quickly discharge its stored power (from the whole day) into the car at your 1000 amp calculation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps the " charge " unit at the house will be some sort of capacitor that can quickly discharge its stored power ( from the whole day ) into the car at your 1000 amp calculation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps the "charge" unit at the house will be some sort of capacitor that can quickly discharge its stored power (from the whole day) into the car at your 1000 amp calculation.</sentencetext>
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