<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_03_1721230</id>
	<title>Professor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Sharing Drone Plans With Students</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1246610280000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"Retired University of Tennessee Professor Dr. John Reece Roth has been <a href="http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=tennessee-physicist-sentenced-to-4-2009-07-03">sentenced to four years in prison</a> after he allowed a Chinese graduate student to see sensitive information on Unmanned Air Vehicles (UAVs), also known as drones. In 2004, the company Roth helped found, <a href="http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jun/24/atmospheric-glow-to-sell/">Atmospheric Glow Technologies</a>, won a US Air Force contract to develop a plasma actuator that could help reduce drag on the wings of drones, such as the ones the military uses. Under the contract, for which Roth was reportedly paid $6,000, he was prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals. Despite warnings from his university's Export Control Officer, in 2006, Roth took a laptop containing sensitive plans with him on a lecture tour in China and also allowed graduate students Xin Dai of China and Sirous Nourgostar of Iran to work on the project. '<a href="http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&amp;STORY=/www/story/07-01-2009/0005053691&amp;EDATE=">The illegal export of restricted military data represents a serious threat to national security</a>,' says David Kris of the US Department of Justice. 'We know that foreign governments are actively seeking this information for their own military development. Today's sentence should serve as a warning to anyone who knowingly discloses restricted military data in violation of our laws.'  During his trial, Roth testified that he was unaware that hiring the graduate students was a violation of his contract. 'This whole thing has not helped me, it has not helped the university,' said Roth. 'And it has probably not helped this country, either.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " Retired University of Tennessee Professor Dr. John Reece Roth has been sentenced to four years in prison after he allowed a Chinese graduate student to see sensitive information on Unmanned Air Vehicles ( UAVs ) , also known as drones .
In 2004 , the company Roth helped found , Atmospheric Glow Technologies , won a US Air Force contract to develop a plasma actuator that could help reduce drag on the wings of drones , such as the ones the military uses .
Under the contract , for which Roth was reportedly paid $ 6,000 , he was prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals .
Despite warnings from his university 's Export Control Officer , in 2006 , Roth took a laptop containing sensitive plans with him on a lecture tour in China and also allowed graduate students Xin Dai of China and Sirous Nourgostar of Iran to work on the project .
'The illegal export of restricted military data represents a serious threat to national security, ' says David Kris of the US Department of Justice .
'We know that foreign governments are actively seeking this information for their own military development .
Today 's sentence should serve as a warning to anyone who knowingly discloses restricted military data in violation of our laws .
' During his trial , Roth testified that he was unaware that hiring the graduate students was a violation of his contract .
'This whole thing has not helped me , it has not helped the university, ' said Roth .
'And it has probably not helped this country , either .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "Retired University of Tennessee Professor Dr. John Reece Roth has been sentenced to four years in prison after he allowed a Chinese graduate student to see sensitive information on Unmanned Air Vehicles (UAVs), also known as drones.
In 2004, the company Roth helped found, Atmospheric Glow Technologies, won a US Air Force contract to develop a plasma actuator that could help reduce drag on the wings of drones, such as the ones the military uses.
Under the contract, for which Roth was reportedly paid $6,000, he was prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals.
Despite warnings from his university's Export Control Officer, in 2006, Roth took a laptop containing sensitive plans with him on a lecture tour in China and also allowed graduate students Xin Dai of China and Sirous Nourgostar of Iran to work on the project.
'The illegal export of restricted military data represents a serious threat to national security,' says David Kris of the US Department of Justice.
'We know that foreign governments are actively seeking this information for their own military development.
Today's sentence should serve as a warning to anyone who knowingly discloses restricted military data in violation of our laws.
'  During his trial, Roth testified that he was unaware that hiring the graduate students was a violation of his contract.
'This whole thing has not helped me, it has not helped the university,' said Roth.
'And it has probably not helped this country, either.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575983</id>
	<title>Damages ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246622940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This story doesn't even state that there IS any 'classified' or secret information to disseminate. It doesn't say he gave foreign nationals 'Restricted' information, just that he possessed it when he went overseas. Does this mean that if he merely remembered his research, he should not be allowed to leave the country ? Realise that ITAR restricted information is pretty broad. Things like how a GPS or compass works, electronics, control systems, Steel formulas, almost any industrial process can be used for building arms.  This all smells like fertilizer. ANFO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This story does n't even state that there IS any 'classified ' or secret information to disseminate .
It does n't say he gave foreign nationals 'Restricted ' information , just that he possessed it when he went overseas .
Does this mean that if he merely remembered his research , he should not be allowed to leave the country ?
Realise that ITAR restricted information is pretty broad .
Things like how a GPS or compass works , electronics , control systems , Steel formulas , almost any industrial process can be used for building arms .
This all smells like fertilizer .
ANFO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This story doesn't even state that there IS any 'classified' or secret information to disseminate.
It doesn't say he gave foreign nationals 'Restricted' information, just that he possessed it when he went overseas.
Does this mean that if he merely remembered his research, he should not be allowed to leave the country ?
Realise that ITAR restricted information is pretty broad.
Things like how a GPS or compass works, electronics, control systems, Steel formulas, almost any industrial process can be used for building arms.
This all smells like fertilizer.
ANFO.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575077</id>
	<title>Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246615260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Openness", both ideologically and in the FOSS sense, forms one of the core requirements of
successful academia.<br>
<br>
I don't blame or absolve the professor - He had a contract, and I suppose the legal details
of this boil down to a matter of contract law (though I most certainly <b>do</b> have a problem
with prison time rather than monetary damages for breach of contract).  But I <b>do</b> blame
both his university and the government itself.<br>
<br>
I blame the university for undermining any sense of credibility by selling out to the highest
bidder at the expense of discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid
the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as
their peers all because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader (whom in many cases
they came to the US <i>because</i> they don't like the policies or education climate back home) pissed
in our Cheerios.
<br>
And I blame the government for foisting their homework onto a domain that largely considers
secrecy either beneath consideration or outright contemptible.  Don't want foreign students to
have access to military projects?  Simple - Give those projects to standard military-industrial
contractors familiar with paranoid levels of obfuscation and mistrust such as Lockheed, Grumman,
Boeing or the like.  And if they <i>do</i> decide to tap academia for parts of their research,
I blame them for not taking care to prevent any one group from having "enough" information to
do anything useful with.<br>
<br>
<br>
You don't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies, and you don't hold it accountable if you
give it a gun and someone gets hurt.  Simple as that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Openness " , both ideologically and in the FOSS sense , forms one of the core requirements of successful academia .
I do n't blame or absolve the professor - He had a contract , and I suppose the legal details of this boil down to a matter of contract law ( though I most certainly do have a problem with prison time rather than monetary damages for breach of contract ) .
But I do blame both his university and the government itself .
I blame the university for undermining any sense of credibility by selling out to the highest bidder at the expense of discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid the same tuition as every other student , yet can not experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peers all because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader ( whom in many cases they came to the US because they do n't like the policies or education climate back home ) pissed in our Cheerios .
And I blame the government for foisting their homework onto a domain that largely considers secrecy either beneath consideration or outright contemptible .
Do n't want foreign students to have access to military projects ?
Simple - Give those projects to standard military-industrial contractors familiar with paranoid levels of obfuscation and mistrust such as Lockheed , Grumman , Boeing or the like .
And if they do decide to tap academia for parts of their research , I blame them for not taking care to prevent any one group from having " enough " information to do anything useful with .
You do n't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies , and you do n't hold it accountable if you give it a gun and someone gets hurt .
Simple as that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Openness", both ideologically and in the FOSS sense, forms one of the core requirements of
successful academia.
I don't blame or absolve the professor - He had a contract, and I suppose the legal details
of this boil down to a matter of contract law (though I most certainly do have a problem
with prison time rather than monetary damages for breach of contract).
But I do blame
both his university and the government itself.
I blame the university for undermining any sense of credibility by selling out to the highest
bidder at the expense of discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid
the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as
their peers all because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader (whom in many cases
they came to the US because they don't like the policies or education climate back home) pissed
in our Cheerios.
And I blame the government for foisting their homework onto a domain that largely considers
secrecy either beneath consideration or outright contemptible.
Don't want foreign students to
have access to military projects?
Simple - Give those projects to standard military-industrial
contractors familiar with paranoid levels of obfuscation and mistrust such as Lockheed, Grumman,
Boeing or the like.
And if they do decide to tap academia for parts of their research,
I blame them for not taking care to prevent any one group from having "enough" information to
do anything useful with.
You don't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies, and you don't hold it accountable if you
give it a gun and someone gets hurt.
Simple as that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576179</id>
	<title>Re:Not long enough</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1246624680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even the " prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals" condition is a fluff, since a foreign nation can simply pay a US citizen to get the data.</p></div><p>The point is that any US citizen who<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/has/ that information is not permitted to share it.  I'm sure some do and don't get caught at it - but that doesn't mean that they're not in violation of both their contractual obligations and applicable laws.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even the " prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals " condition is a fluff , since a foreign nation can simply pay a US citizen to get the data.The point is that any US citizen who /has/ that information is not permitted to share it .
I 'm sure some do and do n't get caught at it - but that does n't mean that they 're not in violation of both their contractual obligations and applicable laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even the " prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals" condition is a fluff, since a foreign nation can simply pay a US citizen to get the data.The point is that any US citizen who /has/ that information is not permitted to share it.
I'm sure some do and don't get caught at it - but that doesn't mean that they're not in violation of both their contractual obligations and applicable laws.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575139</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574915</id>
	<title>Some of my professors</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246614120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>droned on and on too but I wouldn't send them to prison for it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>droned on and on too but I would n't send them to prison for it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>droned on and on too but I wouldn't send them to prison for it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575685</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>konigstein</author>
	<datestamp>1246620060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Students who paid the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as
their peers</p></div><p>The reason that the NO. FORN classification exist, and especially in this circumstance, is that we cannot know exactly WHO paid for that tuition. Sure, the money flowed from their account to the school's, but was the student given a bag of cash and told to keep their eyes open?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Students who paid the same tuition as every other student , yet can not experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peersThe reason that the NO .
FORN classification exist , and especially in this circumstance , is that we can not know exactly WHO paid for that tuition .
Sure , the money flowed from their account to the school 's , but was the student given a bag of cash and told to keep their eyes open ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Students who paid the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as
their peersThe reason that the NO.
FORN classification exist, and especially in this circumstance, is that we cannot know exactly WHO paid for that tuition.
Sure, the money flowed from their account to the school's, but was the student given a bag of cash and told to keep their eyes open?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575077</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575341</id>
	<title>yeeeeeehaaaaaaaaw!</title>
	<author>poached</author>
	<datestamp>1246617300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am sure he has learned his lesson and will keep his mouth and other holes shut at Federal PMITA prison.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sure he has learned his lesson and will keep his mouth and other holes shut at Federal PMITA prison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sure he has learned his lesson and will keep his mouth and other holes shut at Federal PMITA prison.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575859</id>
	<title>Story missed the point..</title>
	<author>Mad Quacker</author>
	<datestamp>1246621800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since I actually bothered to read more than just the first link - Looks like he had already done research on plasma actuation, after which he decided to work on a government project using this technology, which seems to have cancerously made everything on the topic classified, and he honestly didn't feel this the right thing to happen. The contracts were probably worded such that this was the case (what is right versus how to hide as much information as possible, even if previously not used for military applications), so he was tried on this basis.</p><p>I'm surprised to see slashdoters' knee jerk reactions to this story. There's obviously a lot of technical details here that are missed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since I actually bothered to read more than just the first link - Looks like he had already done research on plasma actuation , after which he decided to work on a government project using this technology , which seems to have cancerously made everything on the topic classified , and he honestly did n't feel this the right thing to happen .
The contracts were probably worded such that this was the case ( what is right versus how to hide as much information as possible , even if previously not used for military applications ) , so he was tried on this basis.I 'm surprised to see slashdoters ' knee jerk reactions to this story .
There 's obviously a lot of technical details here that are missed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since I actually bothered to read more than just the first link - Looks like he had already done research on plasma actuation, after which he decided to work on a government project using this technology, which seems to have cancerously made everything on the topic classified, and he honestly didn't feel this the right thing to happen.
The contracts were probably worded such that this was the case (what is right versus how to hide as much information as possible, even if previously not used for military applications), so he was tried on this basis.I'm surprised to see slashdoters' knee jerk reactions to this story.
There's obviously a lot of technical details here that are missed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576017</id>
	<title>Re:An marican hero</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246623180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That worked really well in 1914!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That worked really well in 1914 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That worked really well in 1914!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576831</id>
	<title>Re:An marican hero</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1246631280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The professor did the world a favor. Sharing defense technology means conflicting powers are on equal strength and are less likely to go to war.</p></div><p>My god, I think he really believes that. What makes people less likely to go to war is having wealth and prosperity<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... something to <i>lose</i>, in other words. Giving away advanced military technology just makes it that much easier for a nation that has imperialistic tendencies to try and make something of it. You really need to have a better grasp of history than what you're displaying here.
<br> <br>
The unfortunate truth is that being merely at technological parity, militarily-speaking, is not sufficient to dissuade some people from going to war anyways. You have to have demonstrably <i>superior</i> capabilities to have any chance at a deterrent effect. And that isn't counting the pathological types who simply don't care if you kill them or not so long as they can take you with them. Regardless, you want your enemies to <i>know</i>, beyond the slightest shadow of a doubt, that if they try anything they're going to take an awful pasting. And that means making damn sure they can't equal your ability to wage war without making at least the same investment. Granted, that also means that you shouldn't give them too much reason to want to make that investment, but in either case you don't make it easy for them.
<br> <br>
So far as I'm concerned this "well, heck, they're going to get it anyways" attitude is damn near treasonous. I hope that our military R&amp;D types don't share your relative ignorance, because we need to <i>deny</i> our enemies access to our most significant advances. Put it this way: it cost us a lot of money and time: we should see to it that it costs them the same. If it takes China or any other hostile power 'x" number of years to equal our current capabilities, well, that's 'x' years of relative peace we're going to have, because they won't be tempted to try anything. Put them on equal footing, and there's no telling what might happen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The professor did the world a favor .
Sharing defense technology means conflicting powers are on equal strength and are less likely to go to war.My god , I think he really believes that .
What makes people less likely to go to war is having wealth and prosperity ... something to lose , in other words .
Giving away advanced military technology just makes it that much easier for a nation that has imperialistic tendencies to try and make something of it .
You really need to have a better grasp of history than what you 're displaying here .
The unfortunate truth is that being merely at technological parity , militarily-speaking , is not sufficient to dissuade some people from going to war anyways .
You have to have demonstrably superior capabilities to have any chance at a deterrent effect .
And that is n't counting the pathological types who simply do n't care if you kill them or not so long as they can take you with them .
Regardless , you want your enemies to know , beyond the slightest shadow of a doubt , that if they try anything they 're going to take an awful pasting .
And that means making damn sure they ca n't equal your ability to wage war without making at least the same investment .
Granted , that also means that you should n't give them too much reason to want to make that investment , but in either case you do n't make it easy for them .
So far as I 'm concerned this " well , heck , they 're going to get it anyways " attitude is damn near treasonous .
I hope that our military R&amp;D types do n't share your relative ignorance , because we need to deny our enemies access to our most significant advances .
Put it this way : it cost us a lot of money and time : we should see to it that it costs them the same .
If it takes China or any other hostile power 'x " number of years to equal our current capabilities , well , that 's 'x ' years of relative peace we 're going to have , because they wo n't be tempted to try anything .
Put them on equal footing , and there 's no telling what might happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The professor did the world a favor.
Sharing defense technology means conflicting powers are on equal strength and are less likely to go to war.My god, I think he really believes that.
What makes people less likely to go to war is having wealth and prosperity ... something to lose, in other words.
Giving away advanced military technology just makes it that much easier for a nation that has imperialistic tendencies to try and make something of it.
You really need to have a better grasp of history than what you're displaying here.
The unfortunate truth is that being merely at technological parity, militarily-speaking, is not sufficient to dissuade some people from going to war anyways.
You have to have demonstrably superior capabilities to have any chance at a deterrent effect.
And that isn't counting the pathological types who simply don't care if you kill them or not so long as they can take you with them.
Regardless, you want your enemies to know, beyond the slightest shadow of a doubt, that if they try anything they're going to take an awful pasting.
And that means making damn sure they can't equal your ability to wage war without making at least the same investment.
Granted, that also means that you shouldn't give them too much reason to want to make that investment, but in either case you don't make it easy for them.
So far as I'm concerned this "well, heck, they're going to get it anyways" attitude is damn near treasonous.
I hope that our military R&amp;D types don't share your relative ignorance, because we need to deny our enemies access to our most significant advances.
Put it this way: it cost us a lot of money and time: we should see to it that it costs them the same.
If it takes China or any other hostile power 'x" number of years to equal our current capabilities, well, that's 'x' years of relative peace we're going to have, because they won't be tempted to try anything.
Put them on equal footing, and there's no telling what might happen.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578347</id>
	<title>Re:Story missed the point..</title>
	<author>troll8901</author>
	<datestamp>1246737840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From: Mad Quacker (3327):</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm surprised to see slashdoters' knee jerk reactions to this story. There's obviously a lot of technical details here that are missed.</p></div><p>You must be new here.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From : Mad Quacker ( 3327 ) : I 'm surprised to see slashdoters ' knee jerk reactions to this story .
There 's obviously a lot of technical details here that are missed.You must be new here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From: Mad Quacker (3327):I'm surprised to see slashdoters' knee jerk reactions to this story.
There's obviously a lot of technical details here that are missed.You must be new here.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575859</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574925</id>
	<title>Re:Why stop there..</title>
	<author>danking</author>
	<datestamp>1246614180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think you can be sentenced for that if they were allowed to work on a project. It wasn't their responsibility to confirm that the contract their employer/teacher had signed had stipulations on certain foreign nationals working on the project.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think you can be sentenced for that if they were allowed to work on a project .
It was n't their responsibility to confirm that the contract their employer/teacher had signed had stipulations on certain foreign nationals working on the project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think you can be sentenced for that if they were allowed to work on a project.
It wasn't their responsibility to confirm that the contract their employer/teacher had signed had stipulations on certain foreign nationals working on the project.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574879</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576573</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>Pichu0102</author>
	<datestamp>1246628280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probably because he likely didn't have a devious reason to do it, and is now sentenced to 4 years of prison rape or even</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably because he likely did n't have a devious reason to do it , and is now sentenced to 4 years of prison rape or even</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably because he likely didn't have a devious reason to do it, and is now sentenced to 4 years of prison rape or even</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574921</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575265</id>
	<title>An marican hero</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246616700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The professor did the world a favor. Sharing defense technology means conflicting powers are on equal strength and are less likely to go to war.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The professor did the world a favor .
Sharing defense technology means conflicting powers are on equal strength and are less likely to go to war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The professor did the world a favor.
Sharing defense technology means conflicting powers are on equal strength and are less likely to go to war.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575161</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>Vellmont</author>
	<datestamp>1246615860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>He knew he wasn't supposed to do it, he was warned not to do it, he did it anyway. He pled guilty.<br></i><br>Wrong, maybe, and wrong.  In his trial (he didn't plead guilty, that was a different party) he said he didn't think it was illegal (see below).<br>(from the article and the summary, which apparently you either didn't read or comprehend)</p><blockquote><div><p>During his trial, Roth testified that he was unaware that hiring the graduate students was a violation of his contract, otherwise he would not have participated since his plasma research also has non-military applications.</p></div></blockquote><p><i><br>If he didn't read his contract that's his problem.<br></i><br>Have you ever read a real contract?  Even lawyers have difficulty interpreting many of them.</p></div>
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<tokenext>He knew he was n't supposed to do it , he was warned not to do it , he did it anyway .
He pled guilty.Wrong , maybe , and wrong .
In his trial ( he did n't plead guilty , that was a different party ) he said he did n't think it was illegal ( see below ) .
( from the article and the summary , which apparently you either did n't read or comprehend ) During his trial , Roth testified that he was unaware that hiring the graduate students was a violation of his contract , otherwise he would not have participated since his plasma research also has non-military applications.If he did n't read his contract that 's his problem.Have you ever read a real contract ?
Even lawyers have difficulty interpreting many of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He knew he wasn't supposed to do it, he was warned not to do it, he did it anyway.
He pled guilty.Wrong, maybe, and wrong.
In his trial (he didn't plead guilty, that was a different party) he said he didn't think it was illegal (see below).
(from the article and the summary, which apparently you either didn't read or comprehend)During his trial, Roth testified that he was unaware that hiring the graduate students was a violation of his contract, otherwise he would not have participated since his plasma research also has non-military applications.If he didn't read his contract that's his problem.Have you ever read a real contract?
Even lawyers have difficulty interpreting many of them.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575289</id>
	<title>Face truth: China IS THE ENEMY</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246616880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As is Russia.  Get on with it.  Trust a commie and you pay in the end, middle, and beginning.  Yes, Russians are commies.  Face truth !!!  There is no single trustworthy home-born Chinese or Russian in the world.  Face truth !!!  The commie will steal lie cheat, and use you as a tool, like this idiot Prof.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As is Russia .
Get on with it .
Trust a commie and you pay in the end , middle , and beginning .
Yes , Russians are commies .
Face truth ! ! !
There is no single trustworthy home-born Chinese or Russian in the world .
Face truth ! ! !
The commie will steal lie cheat , and use you as a tool , like this idiot Prof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As is Russia.
Get on with it.
Trust a commie and you pay in the end, middle, and beginning.
Yes, Russians are commies.
Face truth !!!
There is no single trustworthy home-born Chinese or Russian in the world.
Face truth !!!
The commie will steal lie cheat, and use you as a tool, like this idiot Prof.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575711</id>
	<title>interesting problem re ITAR &amp; public domain st</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246620300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm giving an open (public, anybody can attend) colloquium in a couple of months reviewing aerospace applications of a particular material.  What I'm planning to present is all in the public domain, referenceable, etc.

The colloquium organizer said I'd have to be sure I reviewed applicable ITAR restrictions.  This ruling makes me concerned that if I say something like, "published results suggest that material X would be very helpful in solving problem Y in hypersonic flight", somebody in a suit and shades will get up from the back of the room and invite me to come with him for a friendly debriefing.

Is it possible to be in violation of ITAR simply by mentioning a public result and suggesting its utility in a known aerospace problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm giving an open ( public , anybody can attend ) colloquium in a couple of months reviewing aerospace applications of a particular material .
What I 'm planning to present is all in the public domain , referenceable , etc .
The colloquium organizer said I 'd have to be sure I reviewed applicable ITAR restrictions .
This ruling makes me concerned that if I say something like , " published results suggest that material X would be very helpful in solving problem Y in hypersonic flight " , somebody in a suit and shades will get up from the back of the room and invite me to come with him for a friendly debriefing .
Is it possible to be in violation of ITAR simply by mentioning a public result and suggesting its utility in a known aerospace problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm giving an open (public, anybody can attend) colloquium in a couple of months reviewing aerospace applications of a particular material.
What I'm planning to present is all in the public domain, referenceable, etc.
The colloquium organizer said I'd have to be sure I reviewed applicable ITAR restrictions.
This ruling makes me concerned that if I say something like, "published results suggest that material X would be very helpful in solving problem Y in hypersonic flight", somebody in a suit and shades will get up from the back of the room and invite me to come with him for a friendly debriefing.
Is it possible to be in violation of ITAR simply by mentioning a public result and suggesting its utility in a known aerospace problem?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575035</id>
	<title>What the...?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246614960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> and Sirous Nourgostar of Iran to work</p></div><p>Did George Lucas get offspring in Iran or something?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and Sirous Nourgostar of Iran to workDid George Lucas get offspring in Iran or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> and Sirous Nourgostar of Iran to workDid George Lucas get offspring in Iran or something?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575577</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>physicsphairy</author>
	<datestamp>1246619220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I blame the university for undermining any sense of credibility by selling out to the highest bidder at the expense of discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peers</p></div><p>We are talking about a project funded by DOE grant money, not student tuition, and usually the way these things work is that the university skims a whole lot off of that and effectively the DOE <em>subsidizes</em> the tuition of the foreign nationals by providing these projects.

</p><p>But I don't think the argument holds water anyway.  I mean, I pay my taxes the same as anyone else, but would you honestly say this merits my having equal access to nuclear missile silos and chemical weapons laboratories as any other citizen?  Should any shareholder of Intel be able to come prancing about in the chip fabrication facility?  Should the banker I mortgaged my house to be able to drop in for breakfast whenever he wants?  It appears fairly intuitive to me that making an investment in something does not automatically mean you should be able to run in and grab whatever you feel is an equitable share of the benefits.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader (whom in many cases they came to the US because they don't like the policies or education climate back home) pissed in our Cheerios.</p> </div><p>Yes, and why do you think Fearless Leader was willing to let them go in the first place, hmm?  Maybe he's just a real swell guy... but any realistic effort at national security requires considering other possibilities.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And I blame the government for foisting their homework onto a domain that largely considers secrecy either beneath consideration or outright contemptible. Don't want foreign students to have access to military projects? Simple - Give those projects to standard military-industrial contractors familiar with paranoid levels of obfuscation and mistrust such as Lockheed, Grumman, Boeing or the like.</p></div><p>That is a nice generalization about academics, but maybe the ones who <em>voluntarily work on military projects which require secrecy</em> don't exactly fall into your blanket description.  We aren't talking about the draft here.  And I think you grossly underestimate the entrenchment of academics in military research.  Why don't you lookup who worked on the Manhattan project and see how many of them were "standard military-industrial contractors."  Los Alamos labs (and other labs) are <em>run</em> by universities on the military's behalf.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I blame them for not taking care to prevent any one group from having "enough" information to do anything useful with.</p></div><p>Why would you give them information they couldn't do anything useful with?  What would be the point of giving them information at all?

</p><p>I doubt there is much I can say to dissuade you that it is not the military's fault, since hey they're the bad guys right?  But there are a vast number of practical justifications for their present interactions with academics, and I assure you that no one is forcefully compelled to accept these grant-funded projections (by contrast, you generally must fight to get them).  You don't have to like it, but acting like this is a case of an innocent guy getting caught up in the system is myopic at best.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I blame the university for undermining any sense of credibility by selling out to the highest bidder at the expense of discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid the same tuition as every other student , yet can not experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peersWe are talking about a project funded by DOE grant money , not student tuition , and usually the way these things work is that the university skims a whole lot off of that and effectively the DOE subsidizes the tuition of the foreign nationals by providing these projects .
But I do n't think the argument holds water anyway .
I mean , I pay my taxes the same as anyone else , but would you honestly say this merits my having equal access to nuclear missile silos and chemical weapons laboratories as any other citizen ?
Should any shareholder of Intel be able to come prancing about in the chip fabrication facility ?
Should the banker I mortgaged my house to be able to drop in for breakfast whenever he wants ?
It appears fairly intuitive to me that making an investment in something does not automatically mean you should be able to run in and grab whatever you feel is an equitable share of the benefits.because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader ( whom in many cases they came to the US because they do n't like the policies or education climate back home ) pissed in our Cheerios .
Yes , and why do you think Fearless Leader was willing to let them go in the first place , hmm ?
Maybe he 's just a real swell guy... but any realistic effort at national security requires considering other possibilities.And I blame the government for foisting their homework onto a domain that largely considers secrecy either beneath consideration or outright contemptible .
Do n't want foreign students to have access to military projects ?
Simple - Give those projects to standard military-industrial contractors familiar with paranoid levels of obfuscation and mistrust such as Lockheed , Grumman , Boeing or the like.That is a nice generalization about academics , but maybe the ones who voluntarily work on military projects which require secrecy do n't exactly fall into your blanket description .
We are n't talking about the draft here .
And I think you grossly underestimate the entrenchment of academics in military research .
Why do n't you lookup who worked on the Manhattan project and see how many of them were " standard military-industrial contractors .
" Los Alamos labs ( and other labs ) are run by universities on the military 's behalf.I blame them for not taking care to prevent any one group from having " enough " information to do anything useful with.Why would you give them information they could n't do anything useful with ?
What would be the point of giving them information at all ?
I doubt there is much I can say to dissuade you that it is not the military 's fault , since hey they 're the bad guys right ?
But there are a vast number of practical justifications for their present interactions with academics , and I assure you that no one is forcefully compelled to accept these grant-funded projections ( by contrast , you generally must fight to get them ) .
You do n't have to like it , but acting like this is a case of an innocent guy getting caught up in the system is myopic at best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I blame the university for undermining any sense of credibility by selling out to the highest bidder at the expense of discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peersWe are talking about a project funded by DOE grant money, not student tuition, and usually the way these things work is that the university skims a whole lot off of that and effectively the DOE subsidizes the tuition of the foreign nationals by providing these projects.
But I don't think the argument holds water anyway.
I mean, I pay my taxes the same as anyone else, but would you honestly say this merits my having equal access to nuclear missile silos and chemical weapons laboratories as any other citizen?
Should any shareholder of Intel be able to come prancing about in the chip fabrication facility?
Should the banker I mortgaged my house to be able to drop in for breakfast whenever he wants?
It appears fairly intuitive to me that making an investment in something does not automatically mean you should be able to run in and grab whatever you feel is an equitable share of the benefits.because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader (whom in many cases they came to the US because they don't like the policies or education climate back home) pissed in our Cheerios.
Yes, and why do you think Fearless Leader was willing to let them go in the first place, hmm?
Maybe he's just a real swell guy... but any realistic effort at national security requires considering other possibilities.And I blame the government for foisting their homework onto a domain that largely considers secrecy either beneath consideration or outright contemptible.
Don't want foreign students to have access to military projects?
Simple - Give those projects to standard military-industrial contractors familiar with paranoid levels of obfuscation and mistrust such as Lockheed, Grumman, Boeing or the like.That is a nice generalization about academics, but maybe the ones who voluntarily work on military projects which require secrecy don't exactly fall into your blanket description.
We aren't talking about the draft here.
And I think you grossly underestimate the entrenchment of academics in military research.
Why don't you lookup who worked on the Manhattan project and see how many of them were "standard military-industrial contractors.
"  Los Alamos labs (and other labs) are run by universities on the military's behalf.I blame them for not taking care to prevent any one group from having "enough" information to do anything useful with.Why would you give them information they couldn't do anything useful with?
What would be the point of giving them information at all?
I doubt there is much I can say to dissuade you that it is not the military's fault, since hey they're the bad guys right?
But there are a vast number of practical justifications for their present interactions with academics, and I assure you that no one is forcefully compelled to accept these grant-funded projections (by contrast, you generally must fight to get them).
You don't have to like it, but acting like this is a case of an innocent guy getting caught up in the system is myopic at best.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575657</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1246619820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>He had a contract, and I suppose the legal details of this boil down to a matter of contract law (though I most certainly do have a problem with prison time rather than monetary damages for breach of contract).</i> </p><p>This is a supremely stupid way to look at what happened.</p><p> This guy exposed "sensitive" materials to Chinese nationals. That puts them at hazard at well.</p><p>The minimal risk is interrogation, an attempt to extract whatever they have learned.  The maximum risk is that they might be regarded as traitors themselves - if only for their silence.</p><p>The Chinese prof who exposes military secrets to an American is hung or shot to set the right example.</p><p><i>And I blame the government for foisting their homework onto a domain that largely considers secrecy either beneath consideration or outright contemptible.</i></p><p><br>"Only the Sith believes in absolutes."</p><p>Any academic will tell you that openness has its limits.</p><p> In the medical and social sciences, for example, there are many things you can't meaningfully study without promising anonymity to the people you need to talk to - - to work with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He had a contract , and I suppose the legal details of this boil down to a matter of contract law ( though I most certainly do have a problem with prison time rather than monetary damages for breach of contract ) .
This is a supremely stupid way to look at what happened .
This guy exposed " sensitive " materials to Chinese nationals .
That puts them at hazard at well.The minimal risk is interrogation , an attempt to extract whatever they have learned .
The maximum risk is that they might be regarded as traitors themselves - if only for their silence.The Chinese prof who exposes military secrets to an American is hung or shot to set the right example.And I blame the government for foisting their homework onto a domain that largely considers secrecy either beneath consideration or outright contemptible .
" Only the Sith believes in absolutes .
" Any academic will tell you that openness has its limits .
In the medical and social sciences , for example , there are many things you ca n't meaningfully study without promising anonymity to the people you need to talk to - - to work with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He had a contract, and I suppose the legal details of this boil down to a matter of contract law (though I most certainly do have a problem with prison time rather than monetary damages for breach of contract).
This is a supremely stupid way to look at what happened.
This guy exposed "sensitive" materials to Chinese nationals.
That puts them at hazard at well.The minimal risk is interrogation, an attempt to extract whatever they have learned.
The maximum risk is that they might be regarded as traitors themselves - if only for their silence.The Chinese prof who exposes military secrets to an American is hung or shot to set the right example.And I blame the government for foisting their homework onto a domain that largely considers secrecy either beneath consideration or outright contemptible.
"Only the Sith believes in absolutes.
"Any academic will tell you that openness has its limits.
In the medical and social sciences, for example, there are many things you can't meaningfully study without promising anonymity to the people you need to talk to - - to work with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576681</id>
	<title>Re:Actually, more interesting than that...</title>
	<author>maugle</author>
	<datestamp>1246629480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Since he seems to have been convicted under the EAR, which is a set of regulations having to do with rendering technical aid to foreigners, and not the ITAR, which is a set of regulations about exporting actual objects (such as munitions or rocket-control thingies),</p></div><p>Are you sure you have that correct?  I know nothing about EAR, but I've seen plenty of source code with ITAR restrictions (and no, the code wasn't related to rocket controls or anything).  I can't imagine that source code would fall under "actual objects" rather than "technical aid".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since he seems to have been convicted under the EAR , which is a set of regulations having to do with rendering technical aid to foreigners , and not the ITAR , which is a set of regulations about exporting actual objects ( such as munitions or rocket-control thingies ) ,Are you sure you have that correct ?
I know nothing about EAR , but I 've seen plenty of source code with ITAR restrictions ( and no , the code was n't related to rocket controls or anything ) .
I ca n't imagine that source code would fall under " actual objects " rather than " technical aid " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since he seems to have been convicted under the EAR, which is a set of regulations having to do with rendering technical aid to foreigners, and not the ITAR, which is a set of regulations about exporting actual objects (such as munitions or rocket-control thingies),Are you sure you have that correct?
I know nothing about EAR, but I've seen plenty of source code with ITAR restrictions (and no, the code wasn't related to rocket controls or anything).
I can't imagine that source code would fall under "actual objects" rather than "technical aid".
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575295</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>Labarna</author>
	<datestamp>1246616940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am glad that the academics who worked on the Manhattan Project did not feel this way.  Although it is difficult to keep secrets for forever, some need to be kept (to at the very least make "the other side" spend a lot of money to discover them).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am glad that the academics who worked on the Manhattan Project did not feel this way .
Although it is difficult to keep secrets for forever , some need to be kept ( to at the very least make " the other side " spend a lot of money to discover them ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am glad that the academics who worked on the Manhattan Project did not feel this way.
Although it is difficult to keep secrets for forever, some need to be kept (to at the very least make "the other side" spend a lot of money to discover them).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575281</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1246616880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Students who paid the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peers all because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader (whom in many cases they came to the US because they don't like the policies or education climate back home) pissed in our Cheerios.</p></div><p>Actually, ITAR regulations require that no foreign nationals work on the project -- not just ones from countries like China and Iran. Many universities (or individual professors) do actually reject any ITAR projects, since it places significant restrictions on them and their students.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Students who paid the same tuition as every other student , yet can not experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peers all because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader ( whom in many cases they came to the US because they do n't like the policies or education climate back home ) pissed in our Cheerios.Actually , ITAR regulations require that no foreign nationals work on the project -- not just ones from countries like China and Iran .
Many universities ( or individual professors ) do actually reject any ITAR projects , since it places significant restrictions on them and their students .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Students who paid the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peers all because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader (whom in many cases they came to the US because they don't like the policies or education climate back home) pissed in our Cheerios.Actually, ITAR regulations require that no foreign nationals work on the project -- not just ones from countries like China and Iran.
Many universities (or individual professors) do actually reject any ITAR projects, since it places significant restrictions on them and their students.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575999</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246623120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well as the other responses have explained, you are astonishingly shit brained.</p><p>Username "pla" is now the equivalent of "fuckhead". Seriously, start a new account under a new name.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well as the other responses have explained , you are astonishingly shit brained.Username " pla " is now the equivalent of " fuckhead " .
Seriously , start a new account under a new name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well as the other responses have explained, you are astonishingly shit brained.Username "pla" is now the equivalent of "fuckhead".
Seriously, start a new account under a new name.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575667</id>
	<title>There is a city in Georiga where guns are required</title>
	<author>3seas</author>
	<datestamp>1246620000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... of all residence of the city Kennesaw. In other words you have to have a registered gun to live there.</p><p>It is also interesting to know that Kennesaw has the lowest crime rate in the country.</p><p>Aren't such drones used by the use in other countries more than they are at "Home"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... of all residence of the city Kennesaw .
In other words you have to have a registered gun to live there.It is also interesting to know that Kennesaw has the lowest crime rate in the country.Are n't such drones used by the use in other countries more than they are at " Home " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... of all residence of the city Kennesaw.
In other words you have to have a registered gun to live there.It is also interesting to know that Kennesaw has the lowest crime rate in the country.Aren't such drones used by the use in other countries more than they are at "Home"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576817</id>
	<title>Re:An marican hero</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246631040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The professor did the world a favor. Sharing defense technology means conflicting powers are on equal strength and are less likely to go to war.</p></div><p>That's certainly an optimistic and interesting way to look at things, especially if you know anything about the Cold War.  "Mutual annihilation" was one of the primary themes of that particular epoch.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The professor did the world a favor .
Sharing defense technology means conflicting powers are on equal strength and are less likely to go to war.That 's certainly an optimistic and interesting way to look at things , especially if you know anything about the Cold War .
" Mutual annihilation " was one of the primary themes of that particular epoch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The professor did the world a favor.
Sharing defense technology means conflicting powers are on equal strength and are less likely to go to war.That's certainly an optimistic and interesting way to look at things, especially if you know anything about the Cold War.
"Mutual annihilation" was one of the primary themes of that particular epoch.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28588027</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1246826640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Have you ever read a real contract? Even lawyers have difficulty interpreting many of them.</i></p><p>I was asked to do some subcontracting on a DoD project regarding porting some software to linux.  IIRC, the contract was 265 pages.  This was a small project.</p><p>My choices were:</p><ol> <li>sign it without understanding it</li><li>hire a lawyer to understand it - even if he understood it completely, it would have taken any profit out of the deal</li><li>drop it</li><li>find a different way to interface with the project</li></ol><p>.  The last approach yielded an 8-page contract instead.</p><p>I can't fault this guy for not understanding his contract nor condone his sentence, but he should have just not taken the money in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever read a real contract ?
Even lawyers have difficulty interpreting many of them.I was asked to do some subcontracting on a DoD project regarding porting some software to linux .
IIRC , the contract was 265 pages .
This was a small project.My choices were : sign it without understanding ithire a lawyer to understand it - even if he understood it completely , it would have taken any profit out of the dealdrop itfind a different way to interface with the project .
The last approach yielded an 8-page contract instead.I ca n't fault this guy for not understanding his contract nor condone his sentence , but he should have just not taken the money in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever read a real contract?
Even lawyers have difficulty interpreting many of them.I was asked to do some subcontracting on a DoD project regarding porting some software to linux.
IIRC, the contract was 265 pages.
This was a small project.My choices were: sign it without understanding ithire a lawyer to understand it - even if he understood it completely, it would have taken any profit out of the dealdrop itfind a different way to interface with the project.
The last approach yielded an 8-page contract instead.I can't fault this guy for not understanding his contract nor condone his sentence, but he should have just not taken the money in the first place.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28579263</id>
	<title>Re:I Wasn't Bothered By The Guy's Sentence...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246711800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Analysis of the issue is clear: He good as leaked USA, instead of buying $600 model airplanes from a hobby store, hopes to build up the cost of toy err defense planes in the $100,000 range. Carbon fiber ailerons not good enough - planning to go higher than icing point? The toy planes wont generate enough plasma to defect bullets, and modern phased synthetic radar arrays spot plasma anomaly's from jet engine signatures . If the contract was a piddly 6K, and you can employ 2 people to massage what google throws up. Probably another defense contractor spat the dummy, as these amounts would expose unreasonable fees, post GFC.<br>Refernces: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma\_stealth    -oops</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Analysis of the issue is clear : He good as leaked USA , instead of buying $ 600 model airplanes from a hobby store , hopes to build up the cost of toy err defense planes in the $ 100,000 range .
Carbon fiber ailerons not good enough - planning to go higher than icing point ?
The toy planes wont generate enough plasma to defect bullets , and modern phased synthetic radar arrays spot plasma anomaly 's from jet engine signatures .
If the contract was a piddly 6K , and you can employ 2 people to massage what google throws up .
Probably another defense contractor spat the dummy , as these amounts would expose unreasonable fees , post GFC.Refernces : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma \ _stealth -oops</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Analysis of the issue is clear: He good as leaked USA, instead of buying $600 model airplanes from a hobby store, hopes to build up the cost of toy err defense planes in the $100,000 range.
Carbon fiber ailerons not good enough - planning to go higher than icing point?
The toy planes wont generate enough plasma to defect bullets, and modern phased synthetic radar arrays spot plasma anomaly's from jet engine signatures .
If the contract was a piddly 6K, and you can employ 2 people to massage what google throws up.
Probably another defense contractor spat the dummy, as these amounts would expose unreasonable fees, post GFC.Refernces: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma\_stealth    -oops</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574977</id>
	<title>Lying or stupid?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246614540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's see, he signed a contract saying he was prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals, then he shared it with forign nationals.  Now he says "he was unaware that hiring the graduate students (to do work in the project) was a violation of his contract"?  He's either too stupid to be a professor, or he's lying.</p><p>Have fun in prison bub.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see , he signed a contract saying he was prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals , then he shared it with forign nationals .
Now he says " he was unaware that hiring the graduate students ( to do work in the project ) was a violation of his contract " ?
He 's either too stupid to be a professor , or he 's lying.Have fun in prison bub .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see, he signed a contract saying he was prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals, then he shared it with forign nationals.
Now he says "he was unaware that hiring the graduate students (to do work in the project) was a violation of his contract"?
He's either too stupid to be a professor, or he's lying.Have fun in prison bub.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575075</id>
	<title>It didn't help him? Why should it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246615260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"This whole thing has not helped me<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... And it has probably not helped this country, either."</p></div><p>Interesting that his indignation stems from the feeling that everything should serve to help him. And his country comes second. It suggests that his personal welfare is at the top of his priorities. <br>
<br>
I have no reason to believe these particular two students would report this sensitive information to their government. But the man signed a contract with the government stating he would abide by their rules of confidentiality. Then he shares the sensitive information with nationals from two specific countries the U.S. probably has no interest in sharing secrets with. It sounds like he went out of his way to be a scumbag, and 4 years is letting him off light in my opinion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" This whole thing has not helped me ... And it has probably not helped this country , either .
" Interesting that his indignation stems from the feeling that everything should serve to help him .
And his country comes second .
It suggests that his personal welfare is at the top of his priorities .
I have no reason to believe these particular two students would report this sensitive information to their government .
But the man signed a contract with the government stating he would abide by their rules of confidentiality .
Then he shares the sensitive information with nationals from two specific countries the U.S. probably has no interest in sharing secrets with .
It sounds like he went out of his way to be a scumbag , and 4 years is letting him off light in my opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This whole thing has not helped me ... And it has probably not helped this country, either.
"Interesting that his indignation stems from the feeling that everything should serve to help him.
And his country comes second.
It suggests that his personal welfare is at the top of his priorities.
I have no reason to believe these particular two students would report this sensitive information to their government.
But the man signed a contract with the government stating he would abide by their rules of confidentiality.
Then he shares the sensitive information with nationals from two specific countries the U.S. probably has no interest in sharing secrets with.
It sounds like he went out of his way to be a scumbag, and 4 years is letting him off light in my opinion.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576913</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>hawk</author>
	<datestamp>1246632180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, you cynic.</p><p>Why would anyone smart enough to get a Ph.D. even suspect that, after working on classified information, he shouldn't disclose that information to a student hand-selected to study with him by a totalitarian government with a history of using its military to take over others, repress dissent, and threaten other nations?</p><p>hawk</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , you cynic.Why would anyone smart enough to get a Ph.D. even suspect that , after working on classified information , he should n't disclose that information to a student hand-selected to study with him by a totalitarian government with a history of using its military to take over others , repress dissent , and threaten other nations ? hawk</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, you cynic.Why would anyone smart enough to get a Ph.D. even suspect that, after working on classified information, he shouldn't disclose that information to a student hand-selected to study with him by a totalitarian government with a history of using its military to take over others, repress dissent, and threaten other nations?hawk</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575257</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246616700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is this on slashdot?</p></div><p>For the same reason we get every "government agent lost a laptop/forgot to wipe a hard-drive" story.  It demonstrates how bad the government and its contractees are at keeping secrets.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this on slashdot ? For the same reason we get every " government agent lost a laptop/forgot to wipe a hard-drive " story .
It demonstrates how bad the government and its contractees are at keeping secrets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is this on slashdot?For the same reason we get every "government agent lost a laptop/forgot to wipe a hard-drive" story.
It demonstrates how bad the government and its contractees are at keeping secrets.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28579965</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1246721160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Agreed. ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) is something that all defense workers are trained in.</p></div> </blockquote><p>
Except that he wasn't an employee, he was a consultant/contractor who earned a measly $6,000 from the US Air Force. It's such a low amount, he probably got it from a drone contest or something. And I'm sorry, but a EULA from ITAR a la Netscape doesn't constitute proper training, and an occasional mass email from an Exports Control Officer doesn't constitute a proper warning either. Who reads those anyway? Do you? Do you think a seventy year old would? Damn, I should probably take a look at the National Security-related papers I've signed every time I've entered a Nokia building. The US is going crazy again.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
ITAR ( International Traffic in Arms Regulations ) is something that all defense workers are trained in .
Except that he was n't an employee , he was a consultant/contractor who earned a measly $ 6,000 from the US Air Force .
It 's such a low amount , he probably got it from a drone contest or something .
And I 'm sorry , but a EULA from ITAR a la Netscape does n't constitute proper training , and an occasional mass email from an Exports Control Officer does n't constitute a proper warning either .
Who reads those anyway ?
Do you ?
Do you think a seventy year old would ?
Damn , I should probably take a look at the National Security-related papers I 've signed every time I 've entered a Nokia building .
The US is going crazy again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) is something that all defense workers are trained in.
Except that he wasn't an employee, he was a consultant/contractor who earned a measly $6,000 from the US Air Force.
It's such a low amount, he probably got it from a drone contest or something.
And I'm sorry, but a EULA from ITAR a la Netscape doesn't constitute proper training, and an occasional mass email from an Exports Control Officer doesn't constitute a proper warning either.
Who reads those anyway?
Do you?
Do you think a seventy year old would?
Damn, I should probably take a look at the National Security-related papers I've signed every time I've entered a Nokia building.
The US is going crazy again.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575243</id>
	<title>I Wasn't Bothered By The Guy's Sentence...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246616640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>...until I Googled "plamsa actuator" and found a relevant article ranked number one...<br> <br> <a href="http://www.engr.uky.edu/~jdjacob/fml/research/plasma/index.html" title="uky.edu" rel="nofollow">http://www.engr.uky.edu/~jdjacob/fml/research/plasma/index.html</a> [uky.edu] <br> <br>...and a bunch of other good articles listed after it.<br> <br>Does the DOD think they not have the Internet in China and Iran?<br> <br>Just by reading this article, you can get a good sense of the concept, which has to do with creating high-speed, non-mechanical aircraft control surfaces via boundary layer manipulation. Is this really that big of a secret?<br> <br>I'll post more on this after I investigate the thump on the roof and see who's at the front door.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...until I Googled " plamsa actuator " and found a relevant article ranked number one... http : //www.engr.uky.edu/ ~ jdjacob/fml/research/plasma/index.html [ uky.edu ] ...and a bunch of other good articles listed after it .
Does the DOD think they not have the Internet in China and Iran ?
Just by reading this article , you can get a good sense of the concept , which has to do with creating high-speed , non-mechanical aircraft control surfaces via boundary layer manipulation .
Is this really that big of a secret ?
I 'll post more on this after I investigate the thump on the roof and see who 's at the front door .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...until I Googled "plamsa actuator" and found a relevant article ranked number one...  http://www.engr.uky.edu/~jdjacob/fml/research/plasma/index.html [uky.edu]  ...and a bunch of other good articles listed after it.
Does the DOD think they not have the Internet in China and Iran?
Just by reading this article, you can get a good sense of the concept, which has to do with creating high-speed, non-mechanical aircraft control surfaces via boundary layer manipulation.
Is this really that big of a secret?
I'll post more on this after I investigate the thump on the roof and see who's at the front door.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28581849</id>
	<title>H-1B or V-1 visa holders can see any secret</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246737180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The professor made the mistake of thinking that he could give away our technology when clearly only corporations are allowed to do that. As long as you are making a profit you can sell any secret you want. Just hire a US lobbiest first though. Americans are really dumb.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The professor made the mistake of thinking that he could give away our technology when clearly only corporations are allowed to do that .
As long as you are making a profit you can sell any secret you want .
Just hire a US lobbiest first though .
Americans are really dumb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The professor made the mistake of thinking that he could give away our technology when clearly only corporations are allowed to do that.
As long as you are making a profit you can sell any secret you want.
Just hire a US lobbiest first though.
Americans are really dumb.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575081</id>
	<title>Re:Not long enough</title>
	<author>welcher</author>
	<datestamp>1246615260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cos the US doesnt put enough people in jail for long enough, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cos the US doesnt put enough people in jail for long enough , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cos the US doesnt put enough people in jail for long enough, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577091</id>
	<title>Nuts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246634760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Big defense contractors have done this stuff and nothing happens to them, maybe a little fine. Presidents "authorizing" missile guidance tech transfers to china..zip, no impeachment or charges (example:clinton/loral) Supposedly allied nations (Israel) caught shopping mil gear we gave them, some missile, to china..nothing happens to them. Chinese and other foreign students all over every research establishment/university in the US..every single possible "crown jewel" tech and sensitive "IP" that exists...nothing, totally legal. A subsidiary of cheney's/halliburton, doing business in iran well past the so called embargo..nothing happens to them.</p><p>The professors big crime? He isn't a connected fatcat, that's all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Big defense contractors have done this stuff and nothing happens to them , maybe a little fine .
Presidents " authorizing " missile guidance tech transfers to china..zip , no impeachment or charges ( example : clinton/loral ) Supposedly allied nations ( Israel ) caught shopping mil gear we gave them , some missile , to china..nothing happens to them .
Chinese and other foreign students all over every research establishment/university in the US..every single possible " crown jewel " tech and sensitive " IP " that exists...nothing , totally legal .
A subsidiary of cheney 's/halliburton , doing business in iran well past the so called embargo..nothing happens to them.The professors big crime ?
He is n't a connected fatcat , that 's all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Big defense contractors have done this stuff and nothing happens to them, maybe a little fine.
Presidents "authorizing" missile guidance tech transfers to china..zip, no impeachment or charges (example:clinton/loral) Supposedly allied nations (Israel) caught shopping mil gear we gave them, some missile, to china..nothing happens to them.
Chinese and other foreign students all over every research establishment/university in the US..every single possible "crown jewel" tech and sensitive "IP" that exists...nothing, totally legal.
A subsidiary of cheney's/halliburton, doing business in iran well past the so called embargo..nothing happens to them.The professors big crime?
He isn't a connected fatcat, that's all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575027</id>
	<title>I find this interesting.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246614960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know he was stupid to do this, however, I was not aware how much of a cornerstone UAVs are to our current military strategy.</p><p>I thought they were mainly for recon, I never realized that they can hold a pretty impressive arsenal.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned\_aerial\_vehicle" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">UAVs at Wiki</a> [wikipedia.org], They are pretty damn cool. I could see why they would get upset about leaked technology as opposed to, say, encryption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know he was stupid to do this , however , I was not aware how much of a cornerstone UAVs are to our current military strategy.I thought they were mainly for recon , I never realized that they can hold a pretty impressive arsenal.UAVs at Wiki [ wikipedia.org ] , They are pretty damn cool .
I could see why they would get upset about leaked technology as opposed to , say , encryption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know he was stupid to do this, however, I was not aware how much of a cornerstone UAVs are to our current military strategy.I thought they were mainly for recon, I never realized that they can hold a pretty impressive arsenal.UAVs at Wiki [wikipedia.org], They are pretty damn cool.
I could see why they would get upset about leaked technology as opposed to, say, encryption.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575533</id>
	<title>OK, One Correction.</title>
	<author>Petersko</author>
	<datestamp>1246618920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"he didn't plead guilty, that was a different party"</i> <br> <br>

That's true, I'll grant you that. My fault for skim-reading.<br> <br>

<i>"In his trial...he said he didn't think it was illegal (see below). (from the article and the summary, which apparently you either didn't read or comprehend)"</i> <br> <br>

I read that. Sorry, I don't buy it. He's claiming ignorance, but there's no way that's true. It specifically states in the article that he took that laptop to China "despite warnings from his University's Export Control Officer". Even if he somehow missed the boat in the "what not to share" session that was undoubtely provided for him, he knew then. He's guilty.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" he did n't plead guilty , that was a different party " That 's true , I 'll grant you that .
My fault for skim-reading .
" In his trial...he said he did n't think it was illegal ( see below ) .
( from the article and the summary , which apparently you either did n't read or comprehend ) " I read that .
Sorry , I do n't buy it .
He 's claiming ignorance , but there 's no way that 's true .
It specifically states in the article that he took that laptop to China " despite warnings from his University 's Export Control Officer " .
Even if he somehow missed the boat in the " what not to share " session that was undoubtely provided for him , he knew then .
He 's guilty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"he didn't plead guilty, that was a different party"  

That's true, I'll grant you that.
My fault for skim-reading.
"In his trial...he said he didn't think it was illegal (see below).
(from the article and the summary, which apparently you either didn't read or comprehend)"  

I read that.
Sorry, I don't buy it.
He's claiming ignorance, but there's no way that's true.
It specifically states in the article that he took that laptop to China "despite warnings from his University's Export Control Officer".
Even if he somehow missed the boat in the "what not to share" session that was undoubtely provided for him, he knew then.
He's guilty.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577971</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>greyhueofdoubt</author>
	<datestamp>1246645680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Give those projects to standard military-industrial contractors</p> </div><p>Um. Once you accept the contract (and the $$$) you *are* a standard military-industrial contractor. You can't take the heat? Get out of the kitchen.</p><p>If the professors and students that you speak so highly of embrace and love openness to much, they wouldn't accept gov't contracts in the first place. End of story.</p><p>The DoD doesn't foist 'homework' on hapless professors. The DoD is not some brilliant but lazy bureaucrat sitting in a stuffy office dreaming of ways to buck his responsibility. The DoD says, "Hey, we need to know more about plasma and wings and stuff," and then the DoD says, "Hey, I know these guys at XXU who are working on that, should I contact them?" And then the people at XXU can either agree or disagree to accept funding and a research goal. You make it sound like some sort of draft. It isn't.</p><p>-b</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Give those projects to standard military-industrial contractors Um .
Once you accept the contract ( and the $ $ $ ) you * are * a standard military-industrial contractor .
You ca n't take the heat ?
Get out of the kitchen.If the professors and students that you speak so highly of embrace and love openness to much , they would n't accept gov't contracts in the first place .
End of story.The DoD does n't foist 'homework ' on hapless professors .
The DoD is not some brilliant but lazy bureaucrat sitting in a stuffy office dreaming of ways to buck his responsibility .
The DoD says , " Hey , we need to know more about plasma and wings and stuff , " and then the DoD says , " Hey , I know these guys at XXU who are working on that , should I contact them ?
" And then the people at XXU can either agree or disagree to accept funding and a research goal .
You make it sound like some sort of draft .
It is n't.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give those projects to standard military-industrial contractors Um.
Once you accept the contract (and the $$$) you *are* a standard military-industrial contractor.
You can't take the heat?
Get out of the kitchen.If the professors and students that you speak so highly of embrace and love openness to much, they wouldn't accept gov't contracts in the first place.
End of story.The DoD doesn't foist 'homework' on hapless professors.
The DoD is not some brilliant but lazy bureaucrat sitting in a stuffy office dreaming of ways to buck his responsibility.
The DoD says, "Hey, we need to know more about plasma and wings and stuff," and then the DoD says, "Hey, I know these guys at XXU who are working on that, should I contact them?
" And then the people at XXU can either agree or disagree to accept funding and a research goal.
You make it sound like some sort of draft.
It isn't.-b
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574935</id>
	<title>Lamest court defense ever</title>
	<author>Mad Marlin</author>
	<datestamp>1246614240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had no idea that the US Military would get pissed if I shared details about how to build flying robots with people from Iran and China!  I swear it!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had no idea that the US Military would get pissed if I shared details about how to build flying robots with people from Iran and China !
I swear it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had no idea that the US Military would get pissed if I shared details about how to build flying robots with people from Iran and China!
I swear it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574921</id>
	<title>Guilty.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246614180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>He knew he wasn't supposed to do it, he was warned not to do it, he did it anyway. He pled guilty.<br> <br>

If he didn't read his contract that's his problem. I also find it very unlikely.<br> <br>

Why is this on slashdot?</htmltext>
<tokenext>He knew he was n't supposed to do it , he was warned not to do it , he did it anyway .
He pled guilty .
If he did n't read his contract that 's his problem .
I also find it very unlikely .
Why is this on slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He knew he wasn't supposed to do it, he was warned not to do it, he did it anyway.
He pled guilty.
If he didn't read his contract that's his problem.
I also find it very unlikely.
Why is this on slashdot?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578299</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246650720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Possibly to show that some professors are dumber than dumb.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Possibly to show that some professors are dumber than dumb .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Possibly to show that some professors are dumber than dumb.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574921</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577677</id>
	<title>Big Deal</title>
	<author>bussdriver</author>
	<datestamp>1246641840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it is not a big deal. they act like it was a major leak or something. clearly it wasn't bigger than a 4 year punishment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it is not a big deal .
they act like it was a major leak or something .
clearly it was n't bigger than a 4 year punishment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it is not a big deal.
they act like it was a major leak or something.
clearly it wasn't bigger than a 4 year punishment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576913</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28604175</id>
	<title>He's crazy, he's a fool, but he's not a liar!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246904100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know this brother's actions have caused the deaths of others before, but he's never lied to me!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this brother 's actions have caused the deaths of others before , but he 's never lied to me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this brother's actions have caused the deaths of others before, but he's never lied to me!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575889</id>
	<title>Re:Face truth: China IS THE ENEMY</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246622040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But is there really anything wrong with that?  It has been so since the beginning and will be so at the end.  It is so written, and so it shall be.</p><p>(Latin monks chanting in harmony in the background)</p><p>Now, back to the world at war(s).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But is there really anything wrong with that ?
It has been so since the beginning and will be so at the end .
It is so written , and so it shall be .
( Latin monks chanting in harmony in the background ) Now , back to the world at war ( s ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But is there really anything wrong with that?
It has been so since the beginning and will be so at the end.
It is so written, and so it shall be.
(Latin monks chanting in harmony in the background)Now, back to the world at war(s).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575289</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28579607</id>
	<title>Re:What the...?!</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1246717500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p> and Sirous Nourgostar of Iran to work</p></div><p>Did George Lucas get offspring in Iran or something?</p></div><p>+5: Fucking Epic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and Sirous Nourgostar of Iran to workDid George Lucas get offspring in Iran or something ? + 5 : Fucking Epic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> and Sirous Nourgostar of Iran to workDid George Lucas get offspring in Iran or something?+5: Fucking Epic.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575035</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577041</id>
	<title>Four years is lenient.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246634100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He should have been executed. Knowingly compromising national security is treason. We can't afford these losses anymore.</p><p>-Patriot</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He should have been executed .
Knowingly compromising national security is treason .
We ca n't afford these losses anymore.-Patriot</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He should have been executed.
Knowingly compromising national security is treason.
We can't afford these losses anymore.-Patriot</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578341</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1246737780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You don't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies, and you don't hold it accountable if you give it a gun and someone gets hurt. Simple as that.</p></div></blockquote><p>Good thing the goverment doesn't let babies do this sort of thing then isn't it?</p><p>You DO however hold an adult accountable for their actions, guess what, you even do with children!  You give them slack for the learning process, but you damn sure punish them when they know they did something wrong and did it anyway.  Okay, YOU may not, but I do, and so do most parents.</p><p>Of course, we're not talking about a baby giggling at butterflies are we?  We're talking about an adult, an educated one at that, who willfully ignored the rules that he no doubt read himself and had read to him multiple times and signed a document stating that he agreed to.</p><p>You punish severely, and make sure everyone else knows that saying 'I didn't know' is not an acceptable excuse at this level, ever.</p><p>What do you propose instead, we say 'bad boy!', smack him on the hand, and then act surprised when someone does it next week, says the same thing, gets off, and suddenly leaves for some random company where he has a few million sitting in a bank account?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies , and you do n't hold it accountable if you give it a gun and someone gets hurt .
Simple as that.Good thing the goverment does n't let babies do this sort of thing then is n't it ? You DO however hold an adult accountable for their actions , guess what , you even do with children !
You give them slack for the learning process , but you damn sure punish them when they know they did something wrong and did it anyway .
Okay , YOU may not , but I do , and so do most parents.Of course , we 're not talking about a baby giggling at butterflies are we ?
We 're talking about an adult , an educated one at that , who willfully ignored the rules that he no doubt read himself and had read to him multiple times and signed a document stating that he agreed to.You punish severely , and make sure everyone else knows that saying 'I did n't know ' is not an acceptable excuse at this level , ever.What do you propose instead , we say 'bad boy !
' , smack him on the hand , and then act surprised when someone does it next week , says the same thing , gets off , and suddenly leaves for some random company where he has a few million sitting in a bank account ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies, and you don't hold it accountable if you give it a gun and someone gets hurt.
Simple as that.Good thing the goverment doesn't let babies do this sort of thing then isn't it?You DO however hold an adult accountable for their actions, guess what, you even do with children!
You give them slack for the learning process, but you damn sure punish them when they know they did something wrong and did it anyway.
Okay, YOU may not, but I do, and so do most parents.Of course, we're not talking about a baby giggling at butterflies are we?
We're talking about an adult, an educated one at that, who willfully ignored the rules that he no doubt read himself and had read to him multiple times and signed a document stating that he agreed to.You punish severely, and make sure everyone else knows that saying 'I didn't know' is not an acceptable excuse at this level, ever.What do you propose instead, we say 'bad boy!
', smack him on the hand, and then act surprised when someone does it next week, says the same thing, gets off, and suddenly leaves for some random company where he has a few million sitting in a bank account?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575077</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575419</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>dmartine40</author>
	<datestamp>1246617960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Have you ever read a real contract? Even lawyers have difficulty interpreting many of them.</i>

<br>By signing a contract, this professor agreed to all its terms an conditions, and was bound by them.  After that, there really was little or no valid reason for violating it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever read a real contract ?
Even lawyers have difficulty interpreting many of them .
By signing a contract , this professor agreed to all its terms an conditions , and was bound by them .
After that , there really was little or no valid reason for violating it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever read a real contract?
Even lawyers have difficulty interpreting many of them.
By signing a contract, this professor agreed to all its terms an conditions, and was bound by them.
After that, there really was little or no valid reason for violating it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575161</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576353</id>
	<title>ya.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246626420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Frack the military.  Good for nothing but getting good people killed and the bad rewarded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Frack the military .
Good for nothing but getting good people killed and the bad rewarded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frack the military.
Good for nothing but getting good people killed and the bad rewarded.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578281</id>
	<title>Re:Actually, more interesting than that...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1246650180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really hate when the consitution and first amendment rights come up in a discussion like this.</p><p>Its absolutely retarded to imply that his first admendment right was violated in some way after he willingly entered a contract to which he was under no obligation to enter and would not be punished in any way for not entering it.</p><p>This isn't slavery, he wasn't going to be tortured, starved and left to die or killed intentionally if he didn't take the contract.  He wasn't going to be shamed publically even.  No one  other than his friends would have ever had any idea that he even had the option if he said no.</p><p>But he didn't say no.  He said yes.  He agreed to work for them, for a good chunk of change I might add, and he agreed to keep his fucking mouth shut about it.  He was specifically warned before AND AFTER that telling the students what he did was against the rules.</p><p>This is blatant disregard for his contractual obligations and his duty as an American citizen.</p><p>He's god damn lucky it was America.  Most countries have no problem just shooting you for even the hint of something like this, which since he was warned just prior to committing the act, I would argue is practically treason.  It was certainly willful disregard for his obligations.</p><p>You are failing as a citizen yourself in trying to bring the first amendment into this argument.  Do not dirty the lines here by doing so.</p><p>This is CLEARLY someone disregarding the rules for the game they agreed to play by.</p><p>That is entirely different than being unable to speak your mind freely in any normal context without fear of retribution, which is what the first amendment is for.  Its not a trump card to do whatever the fuck when ever you want regardless of the implications, and any person that is supposed to be 'educated' as much as this person should be well aware of that.</p><p>Don't compare this shit to real issues, you'll just make it that much easier to ignore the real issues as well by making this 'precedent'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hate when the consitution and first amendment rights come up in a discussion like this.Its absolutely retarded to imply that his first admendment right was violated in some way after he willingly entered a contract to which he was under no obligation to enter and would not be punished in any way for not entering it.This is n't slavery , he was n't going to be tortured , starved and left to die or killed intentionally if he did n't take the contract .
He was n't going to be shamed publically even .
No one other than his friends would have ever had any idea that he even had the option if he said no.But he did n't say no .
He said yes .
He agreed to work for them , for a good chunk of change I might add , and he agreed to keep his fucking mouth shut about it .
He was specifically warned before AND AFTER that telling the students what he did was against the rules.This is blatant disregard for his contractual obligations and his duty as an American citizen.He 's god damn lucky it was America .
Most countries have no problem just shooting you for even the hint of something like this , which since he was warned just prior to committing the act , I would argue is practically treason .
It was certainly willful disregard for his obligations.You are failing as a citizen yourself in trying to bring the first amendment into this argument .
Do not dirty the lines here by doing so.This is CLEARLY someone disregarding the rules for the game they agreed to play by.That is entirely different than being unable to speak your mind freely in any normal context without fear of retribution , which is what the first amendment is for .
Its not a trump card to do whatever the fuck when ever you want regardless of the implications , and any person that is supposed to be 'educated ' as much as this person should be well aware of that.Do n't compare this shit to real issues , you 'll just make it that much easier to ignore the real issues as well by making this 'precedent' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hate when the consitution and first amendment rights come up in a discussion like this.Its absolutely retarded to imply that his first admendment right was violated in some way after he willingly entered a contract to which he was under no obligation to enter and would not be punished in any way for not entering it.This isn't slavery, he wasn't going to be tortured, starved and left to die or killed intentionally if he didn't take the contract.
He wasn't going to be shamed publically even.
No one  other than his friends would have ever had any idea that he even had the option if he said no.But he didn't say no.
He said yes.
He agreed to work for them, for a good chunk of change I might add, and he agreed to keep his fucking mouth shut about it.
He was specifically warned before AND AFTER that telling the students what he did was against the rules.This is blatant disregard for his contractual obligations and his duty as an American citizen.He's god damn lucky it was America.
Most countries have no problem just shooting you for even the hint of something like this, which since he was warned just prior to committing the act, I would argue is practically treason.
It was certainly willful disregard for his obligations.You are failing as a citizen yourself in trying to bring the first amendment into this argument.
Do not dirty the lines here by doing so.This is CLEARLY someone disregarding the rules for the game they agreed to play by.That is entirely different than being unable to speak your mind freely in any normal context without fear of retribution, which is what the first amendment is for.
Its not a trump card to do whatever the fuck when ever you want regardless of the implications, and any person that is supposed to be 'educated' as much as this person should be well aware of that.Don't compare this shit to real issues, you'll just make it that much easier to ignore the real issues as well by making this 'precedent'.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575813</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574879</id>
	<title>Why stop there..</title>
	<author>powerslave12r</author>
	<datestamp>1246613940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why not go ahead and sentence the students for "trying to steal" sensitive date from the USAF?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not go ahead and sentence the students for " trying to steal " sensitive date from the USAF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not go ahead and sentence the students for "trying to steal" sensitive date from the USAF?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576033</id>
	<title>Re:I Wasn't Bothered By The Guy's Sentence...</title>
	<author>PhxBlue</author>
	<datestamp>1246623360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Does the DOD think they not have the Internet in China and Iran?</p></div></blockquote><p>I don't know, isn't most of China firewalled?  And isn't most of Iran under an Internet blackout thanks to the election protests?  Still, you make a good point<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if it's out there, it's out there.  Of course, that doesn't mean the DOD should make it <b>easier</b> for adversaries to gain information.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the DOD think they not have the Internet in China and Iran ? I do n't know , is n't most of China firewalled ?
And is n't most of Iran under an Internet blackout thanks to the election protests ?
Still , you make a good point ... if it 's out there , it 's out there .
Of course , that does n't mean the DOD should make it easier for adversaries to gain information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the DOD think they not have the Internet in China and Iran?I don't know, isn't most of China firewalled?
And isn't most of Iran under an Internet blackout thanks to the election protests?
Still, you make a good point ... if it's out there, it's out there.
Of course, that doesn't mean the DOD should make it easier for adversaries to gain information.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575243</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28579267</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1246711860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peers </i> <p>Hey guy, try going to China and getting a look at defense materials if you aren't Chinese.  Pretending security is some sort of negative aspect, purely unique to our own culture is just ridiculous.  But hey, nothing like a good self-hating rant to keep society healthy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid the same tuition as every other student , yet can not experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peers Hey guy , try going to China and getting a look at defense materials if you are n't Chinese .
Pretending security is some sort of negative aspect , purely unique to our own culture is just ridiculous .
But hey , nothing like a good self-hating rant to keep society healthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peers  Hey guy, try going to China and getting a look at defense materials if you aren't Chinese.
Pretending security is some sort of negative aspect, purely unique to our own culture is just ridiculous.
But hey, nothing like a good self-hating rant to keep society healthy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575077</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575561</id>
	<title>This entire conversation is rediculous</title>
	<author>Red Midnight</author>
	<datestamp>1246619100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why are we even talking about this?

The prof was either a complete idiot (and should put his Ph.D. back in the cereal box he got it from) or intentionally broke the law as some act of defiance.

What is unclear?

He knows he's working on a "secret" project used by the military.  He probably got told 6 ways through Sunday he can't talk about it.  And he goes to jail because he did what he was told to not do.

To say he should not get jail time, or that he's from an academic world, defies logic and COMMON SENSE.  Gee, this is a secret military project, I think I'll not only take the data/laptop to China, but I'll share it with Chinese and Iranian students.  Gimme a break.  It makes no sense.  It's much more likely, IMHO, that he was giving a one-finger salute to the US.  Even if he weren't, he's a moron, and ignorance of the law is not a valid defence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why are we even talking about this ?
The prof was either a complete idiot ( and should put his Ph.D. back in the cereal box he got it from ) or intentionally broke the law as some act of defiance .
What is unclear ?
He knows he 's working on a " secret " project used by the military .
He probably got told 6 ways through Sunday he ca n't talk about it .
And he goes to jail because he did what he was told to not do .
To say he should not get jail time , or that he 's from an academic world , defies logic and COMMON SENSE .
Gee , this is a secret military project , I think I 'll not only take the data/laptop to China , but I 'll share it with Chinese and Iranian students .
Gim me a break .
It makes no sense .
It 's much more likely , IMHO , that he was giving a one-finger salute to the US .
Even if he were n't , he 's a moron , and ignorance of the law is not a valid defence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why are we even talking about this?
The prof was either a complete idiot (and should put his Ph.D. back in the cereal box he got it from) or intentionally broke the law as some act of defiance.
What is unclear?
He knows he's working on a "secret" project used by the military.
He probably got told 6 ways through Sunday he can't talk about it.
And he goes to jail because he did what he was told to not do.
To say he should not get jail time, or that he's from an academic world, defies logic and COMMON SENSE.
Gee, this is a secret military project, I think I'll not only take the data/laptop to China, but I'll share it with Chinese and Iranian students.
Gimme a break.
It makes no sense.
It's much more likely, IMHO, that he was giving a one-finger salute to the US.
Even if he weren't, he's a moron, and ignorance of the law is not a valid defence.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575519</id>
	<title>"should serve as a warning"? More like a</title>
	<author>Dr\_Ken</author>
	<datestamp>1246618800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"David Kris of the US Department of Justice. 'We know that foreign governments are actively seeking this information for their own military development. <b>Today's sentence should serve as a warning to anyone who knowingly discloses restricted military data in violation of our laws.' </b> "

No shit. More like a massive kick in balls. This goof shoulda known better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" David Kris of the US Department of Justice .
'We know that foreign governments are actively seeking this information for their own military development .
Today 's sentence should serve as a warning to anyone who knowingly discloses restricted military data in violation of our laws .
' " No shit .
More like a massive kick in balls .
This goof shoulda known better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"David Kris of the US Department of Justice.
'We know that foreign governments are actively seeking this information for their own military development.
Today's sentence should serve as a warning to anyone who knowingly discloses restricted military data in violation of our laws.
'  "

No shit.
More like a massive kick in balls.
This goof shoulda known better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575653</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246619820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The students were not "arbitrary".  Neither was the work.</p><p>The professor is a smart man and should have known better,</p><p>Thank god people like you don't run defense projects.  Only on slashdot could it be so black and white.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The students were not " arbitrary " .
Neither was the work.The professor is a smart man and should have known better,Thank god people like you do n't run defense projects .
Only on slashdot could it be so black and white .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The students were not "arbitrary".
Neither was the work.The professor is a smart man and should have known better,Thank god people like you don't run defense projects.
Only on slashdot could it be so black and white.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575813</id>
	<title>Actually, more interesting than that...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246621380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since he seems to have been convicted under the EAR, which is a set of regulations having to do with rendering technical aid to foreigners, and not the ITAR, which is a set of regulations about exporting actual objects (such as munitions or rocket-control thingies), there is very close parsing required of the law to figure out what is Right or not.</p><p>After all, the material he distributed wasn't classified, and in principle the 1st Amendment to the U.S. constitution allows you to say whatever you want to whomever you want (provided that you aren't directly inciting a crime, or lying, or distributing classified information).  It's especially interesting because most violations of the EAR never get to trial -- they are generally settled by defense contractors who are eager to make good so that the flow of federal dollars doesn't dry up -- so this is likely to be a strong legal precedent.  In this case, as in so many, my guess is that he had the standard language in his federal contract -- essentially "I agree to abide by ITAR and EAR" -- so that the regulations can be enforced via contract law even if the ITAR and EAR are eventually found to be unconstitutional if applied to general citizens.</p><p>The most scary situation involving EAR/ITRAR is that I know of no legal precedent at all for the EAR in the case of a gifted, privately funded enthusiast just screwing around -- but it applies to many things that even hobbyists do now.   If you take an interest in (say) cheap image stabilization systems or inertial guidance of vehicles, and share your work with some of your friends down at the rocket club (who happen to be exchange students from the Pacific Rim), the regulations say that you are liable for millions of dollars in fines and many years of jail time -- even though those technologies are well within the range of gifted college students today (and affordable for an enthusiast to tinker with).  I have no idea what the outcome of such a case would be -- only that the legal bills would be immense and the hypothetical hobbyist's life would be put on hold for years, if the Feds decided to take an interest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since he seems to have been convicted under the EAR , which is a set of regulations having to do with rendering technical aid to foreigners , and not the ITAR , which is a set of regulations about exporting actual objects ( such as munitions or rocket-control thingies ) , there is very close parsing required of the law to figure out what is Right or not.After all , the material he distributed was n't classified , and in principle the 1st Amendment to the U.S. constitution allows you to say whatever you want to whomever you want ( provided that you are n't directly inciting a crime , or lying , or distributing classified information ) .
It 's especially interesting because most violations of the EAR never get to trial -- they are generally settled by defense contractors who are eager to make good so that the flow of federal dollars does n't dry up -- so this is likely to be a strong legal precedent .
In this case , as in so many , my guess is that he had the standard language in his federal contract -- essentially " I agree to abide by ITAR and EAR " -- so that the regulations can be enforced via contract law even if the ITAR and EAR are eventually found to be unconstitutional if applied to general citizens.The most scary situation involving EAR/ITRAR is that I know of no legal precedent at all for the EAR in the case of a gifted , privately funded enthusiast just screwing around -- but it applies to many things that even hobbyists do now .
If you take an interest in ( say ) cheap image stabilization systems or inertial guidance of vehicles , and share your work with some of your friends down at the rocket club ( who happen to be exchange students from the Pacific Rim ) , the regulations say that you are liable for millions of dollars in fines and many years of jail time -- even though those technologies are well within the range of gifted college students today ( and affordable for an enthusiast to tinker with ) .
I have no idea what the outcome of such a case would be -- only that the legal bills would be immense and the hypothetical hobbyist 's life would be put on hold for years , if the Feds decided to take an interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since he seems to have been convicted under the EAR, which is a set of regulations having to do with rendering technical aid to foreigners, and not the ITAR, which is a set of regulations about exporting actual objects (such as munitions or rocket-control thingies), there is very close parsing required of the law to figure out what is Right or not.After all, the material he distributed wasn't classified, and in principle the 1st Amendment to the U.S. constitution allows you to say whatever you want to whomever you want (provided that you aren't directly inciting a crime, or lying, or distributing classified information).
It's especially interesting because most violations of the EAR never get to trial -- they are generally settled by defense contractors who are eager to make good so that the flow of federal dollars doesn't dry up -- so this is likely to be a strong legal precedent.
In this case, as in so many, my guess is that he had the standard language in his federal contract -- essentially "I agree to abide by ITAR and EAR" -- so that the regulations can be enforced via contract law even if the ITAR and EAR are eventually found to be unconstitutional if applied to general citizens.The most scary situation involving EAR/ITRAR is that I know of no legal precedent at all for the EAR in the case of a gifted, privately funded enthusiast just screwing around -- but it applies to many things that even hobbyists do now.
If you take an interest in (say) cheap image stabilization systems or inertial guidance of vehicles, and share your work with some of your friends down at the rocket club (who happen to be exchange students from the Pacific Rim), the regulations say that you are liable for millions of dollars in fines and many years of jail time -- even though those technologies are well within the range of gifted college students today (and affordable for an enthusiast to tinker with).
I have no idea what the outcome of such a case would be -- only that the legal bills would be immense and the hypothetical hobbyist's life would be put on hold for years, if the Feds decided to take an interest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575995</id>
	<title>Re:This entire conversation is rediculous</title>
	<author>Fantastic Lad</author>
	<datestamp>1246623120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is it that people who don't read the article or comprehend what they have just read and who then invariably jump in line to adopt the most reactionary conservative viewpoint ALSO happen to spell like ignorant morons?</p><p>Maybe it's because they really ARE ignorant morons?  Just a theory.</p><p>The sad/amazing part is that they also tend to be too hopelessly stupid to feel ashamed by this or to stop talking when it is pointed out.  Woe is us.</p><p>-FL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it that people who do n't read the article or comprehend what they have just read and who then invariably jump in line to adopt the most reactionary conservative viewpoint ALSO happen to spell like ignorant morons ? Maybe it 's because they really ARE ignorant morons ?
Just a theory.The sad/amazing part is that they also tend to be too hopelessly stupid to feel ashamed by this or to stop talking when it is pointed out .
Woe is us.-FL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it that people who don't read the article or comprehend what they have just read and who then invariably jump in line to adopt the most reactionary conservative viewpoint ALSO happen to spell like ignorant morons?Maybe it's because they really ARE ignorant morons?
Just a theory.The sad/amazing part is that they also tend to be too hopelessly stupid to feel ashamed by this or to stop talking when it is pointed out.
Woe is us.-FL</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575065</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>thomasw\_lrd</author>
	<datestamp>1246615140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because it's another crybaby story the govt. is evil, copyright is evil, and all nerds should be allowed free access to any information that is in the entire world.  I'm surprised they didn't try to tie the iphone and google into it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it 's another crybaby story the govt .
is evil , copyright is evil , and all nerds should be allowed free access to any information that is in the entire world .
I 'm surprised they did n't try to tie the iphone and google into it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it's another crybaby story the govt.
is evil, copyright is evil, and all nerds should be allowed free access to any information that is in the entire world.
I'm surprised they didn't try to tie the iphone and google into it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578087</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246647240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, you cynic.</p><p>... he shouldn't disclose that information to a student hand-selected to study with him by a totalitarian government with a history of using its military to take over others, repress dissent, and threaten other nations?</p><p>hawk</p></div><p>But he wasn't charged for sharing the information with the American students, only for the Chinese and Iranian students...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , you cynic.... he should n't disclose that information to a student hand-selected to study with him by a totalitarian government with a history of using its military to take over others , repress dissent , and threaten other nations ? hawkBut he was n't charged for sharing the information with the American students , only for the Chinese and Iranian students.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, you cynic.... he shouldn't disclose that information to a student hand-selected to study with him by a totalitarian government with a history of using its military to take over others, repress dissent, and threaten other nations?hawkBut he wasn't charged for sharing the information with the American students, only for the Chinese and Iranian students...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28582985</id>
	<title>Re:OK, One Correction.</title>
	<author>Anonymous Cowpat</author>
	<datestamp>1246706940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>despite warnings from his University's Export Control Officer</p></div></blockquote><p>The Export Control Officer could well have been applying the Rhodesia Solution. What was the nature of his warning? An email that Prof. Roth didn't get until he returned? A quick "make sure not to take ITAR stuff with you to China"?</p><p>Virtually all higher-level science sounds like it might come unter ITAR control, and the only way that you can really know is when you get back and are told that <i>that</i> information <i>was</i> controlled.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>despite warnings from his University 's Export Control OfficerThe Export Control Officer could well have been applying the Rhodesia Solution .
What was the nature of his warning ?
An email that Prof. Roth did n't get until he returned ?
A quick " make sure not to take ITAR stuff with you to China " ? Virtually all higher-level science sounds like it might come unter ITAR control , and the only way that you can really know is when you get back and are told that that information was controlled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>despite warnings from his University's Export Control OfficerThe Export Control Officer could well have been applying the Rhodesia Solution.
What was the nature of his warning?
An email that Prof. Roth didn't get until he returned?
A quick "make sure not to take ITAR stuff with you to China"?Virtually all higher-level science sounds like it might come unter ITAR control, and the only way that you can really know is when you get back and are told that that information was controlled.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575923</id>
	<title>Only good kommie is a</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246622400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>dead kommie.  Nuke 'em, <b>NUKE 'em NOW</b><nobr> <wbr></nobr>././././</htmltext>
<tokenext>dead kommie .
Nuke 'em , NUKE 'em NOW ././././</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dead kommie.
Nuke 'em, NUKE 'em NOW ././././</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575353</id>
	<title>Re:Not long enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246617420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Should have been 40 years, idiot.  Just bringing the laptop to China is <i>shear</i> stupidity.</p></div><p>It seems likely that his research helping reduce the drag on the wings of drones ought to have warned him in advance of any shear problems...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should have been 40 years , idiot .
Just bringing the laptop to China is shear stupidity.It seems likely that his research helping reduce the drag on the wings of drones ought to have warned him in advance of any shear problems.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should have been 40 years, idiot.
Just bringing the laptop to China is shear stupidity.It seems likely that his research helping reduce the drag on the wings of drones ought to have warned him in advance of any shear problems...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575267</id>
	<title>Re:Plasma actuator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246616760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's a good starting point for learning about plasma actuators...<br> <br>http://www.spacewar.com/reports/AFRL\_Proves\_Feasibility\_Of\_Plasma\_Actuators.html<br> <br>Then just Google "plasma actuator". There's lots of good information in the public domain.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a good starting point for learning about plasma actuators... http : //www.spacewar.com/reports/AFRL \ _Proves \ _Feasibility \ _Of \ _Plasma \ _Actuators.html Then just Google " plasma actuator " .
There 's lots of good information in the public domain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a good starting point for learning about plasma actuators... http://www.spacewar.com/reports/AFRL\_Proves\_Feasibility\_Of\_Plasma\_Actuators.html Then just Google "plasma actuator".
There's lots of good information in the public domain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28581927</id>
	<title>I find this quite depressing</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1246738380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>American presidents go on and on about freedom and democracy, and then a case like this comes up and loads of kneejerk Slashdot posters start coming over like...brainwashed Iranians or Chinese. They gibber on and on with complete speculation about what he "must have known", quote the wrong Act, completely misrepresent the case and in passing show that they totally lack the slightest clue about what is or is not in the public domain in research. I think the best comment above is probably the one about, in effect, the crime being to let somebody know what information in the public domain might actually be workable, as if the Chinese and the Iranians wouldn't be able to find that out for themselves.<p>Discarding the possibility that the US security services have dedicated staff who immediately defend all their actions on every possible website, I can only conclude that mindless nationalism is a characteristic of the lowest lifeforms of all societies, and that the fact that I find this depressing when I find this on Slashdot shows I must be new here.</p><p>I will make one observation for their enlightenment. Creative scientists and engineers frequently have trouble with the idiot regulations of security forces. That's because the people in those security forces are frequently literal minded anal retentives (the intelleigent ones would never end up in a dead end job trying to sheepherd scientists.) Let's just mention Richard Feynmann, Robert Oppenheimer and Alan Turing for starters. The US security services destroyed Oppenheimer and the UK security services destroyed Turing. Way to go, dickheads. Fortunately for Feynmann, his tendencies were more towards having fun with naked women than thinking about how society could be made better, and he was left alone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>American presidents go on and on about freedom and democracy , and then a case like this comes up and loads of kneejerk Slashdot posters start coming over like...brainwashed Iranians or Chinese .
They gibber on and on with complete speculation about what he " must have known " , quote the wrong Act , completely misrepresent the case and in passing show that they totally lack the slightest clue about what is or is not in the public domain in research .
I think the best comment above is probably the one about , in effect , the crime being to let somebody know what information in the public domain might actually be workable , as if the Chinese and the Iranians would n't be able to find that out for themselves.Discarding the possibility that the US security services have dedicated staff who immediately defend all their actions on every possible website , I can only conclude that mindless nationalism is a characteristic of the lowest lifeforms of all societies , and that the fact that I find this depressing when I find this on Slashdot shows I must be new here.I will make one observation for their enlightenment .
Creative scientists and engineers frequently have trouble with the idiot regulations of security forces .
That 's because the people in those security forces are frequently literal minded anal retentives ( the intelleigent ones would never end up in a dead end job trying to sheepherd scientists .
) Let 's just mention Richard Feynmann , Robert Oppenheimer and Alan Turing for starters .
The US security services destroyed Oppenheimer and the UK security services destroyed Turing .
Way to go , dickheads .
Fortunately for Feynmann , his tendencies were more towards having fun with naked women than thinking about how society could be made better , and he was left alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>American presidents go on and on about freedom and democracy, and then a case like this comes up and loads of kneejerk Slashdot posters start coming over like...brainwashed Iranians or Chinese.
They gibber on and on with complete speculation about what he "must have known", quote the wrong Act, completely misrepresent the case and in passing show that they totally lack the slightest clue about what is or is not in the public domain in research.
I think the best comment above is probably the one about, in effect, the crime being to let somebody know what information in the public domain might actually be workable, as if the Chinese and the Iranians wouldn't be able to find that out for themselves.Discarding the possibility that the US security services have dedicated staff who immediately defend all their actions on every possible website, I can only conclude that mindless nationalism is a characteristic of the lowest lifeforms of all societies, and that the fact that I find this depressing when I find this on Slashdot shows I must be new here.I will make one observation for their enlightenment.
Creative scientists and engineers frequently have trouble with the idiot regulations of security forces.
That's because the people in those security forces are frequently literal minded anal retentives (the intelleigent ones would never end up in a dead end job trying to sheepherd scientists.
) Let's just mention Richard Feynmann, Robert Oppenheimer and Alan Turing for starters.
The US security services destroyed Oppenheimer and the UK security services destroyed Turing.
Way to go, dickheads.
Fortunately for Feynmann, his tendencies were more towards having fun with naked women than thinking about how society could be made better, and he was left alone.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28584599</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>DeVilla</author>
	<datestamp>1246731780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What countries did Iran use it's military to take over exactly?</p></div><p>
You might not have picked up on it, but I think he was probably talking mainly about China there.  Iocat has already mentioned a few of the nice things Iran is known for, but I think my favorite is that their President managed to both make a sceptical of himself denying the holocaust while promising to out-do the holocaust.  Now that takes some imagination.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What countries did Iran use it 's military to take over exactly ?
You might not have picked up on it , but I think he was probably talking mainly about China there .
Iocat has already mentioned a few of the nice things Iran is known for , but I think my favorite is that their President managed to both make a sceptical of himself denying the holocaust while promising to out-do the holocaust .
Now that takes some imagination .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What countries did Iran use it's military to take over exactly?
You might not have picked up on it, but I think he was probably talking mainly about China there.
Iocat has already mentioned a few of the nice things Iran is known for, but I think my favorite is that their President managed to both make a sceptical of himself denying the holocaust while promising to out-do the holocaust.
Now that takes some imagination.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575129</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>samkass</author>
	<datestamp>1246615740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If he didn't read his contract that's his problem. I also find it very unlikely.</p></div><p>Agreed.  ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) is something that all defense workers are trained in.  It's also explained very carefully that if there's a violation it's not the government program's fault, it's not the company's fault, but it's the employee that's going to prison.   It's a pretty strict standard.  Even discussing things in the public domain for the wrong purposes can land you in hot water-- giving a citation (book name, page number) of public domain information can violate ITAR if it's in response to, say, a question about missile technology.  In essence what you exported there was your expertise in leading the foreign national to that source of information.</p><p>Incidentally, these are the same regulations that kept the old PowerMac G4's from being exported and led to the "tank" commercial at the time.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If he did n't read his contract that 's his problem .
I also find it very unlikely.Agreed .
ITAR ( International Traffic in Arms Regulations ) is something that all defense workers are trained in .
It 's also explained very carefully that if there 's a violation it 's not the government program 's fault , it 's not the company 's fault , but it 's the employee that 's going to prison .
It 's a pretty strict standard .
Even discussing things in the public domain for the wrong purposes can land you in hot water-- giving a citation ( book name , page number ) of public domain information can violate ITAR if it 's in response to , say , a question about missile technology .
In essence what you exported there was your expertise in leading the foreign national to that source of information.Incidentally , these are the same regulations that kept the old PowerMac G4 's from being exported and led to the " tank " commercial at the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If he didn't read his contract that's his problem.
I also find it very unlikely.Agreed.
ITAR (International Traffic in Arms Regulations) is something that all defense workers are trained in.
It's also explained very carefully that if there's a violation it's not the government program's fault, it's not the company's fault, but it's the employee that's going to prison.
It's a pretty strict standard.
Even discussing things in the public domain for the wrong purposes can land you in hot water-- giving a citation (book name, page number) of public domain information can violate ITAR if it's in response to, say, a question about missile technology.
In essence what you exported there was your expertise in leading the foreign national to that source of information.Incidentally, these are the same regulations that kept the old PowerMac G4's from being exported and led to the "tank" commercial at the time.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576359</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>kencurry</author>
	<datestamp>1246626480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>... I'm surprised they didn't try to tie the iphone and google into it.</p></div><p>the laptop was a macbook pro...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... I 'm surprised they did n't try to tie the iphone and google into it.the laptop was a macbook pro.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I'm surprised they didn't try to tie the iphone and google into it.the laptop was a macbook pro...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575013</id>
	<title>He got what he deserved.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246614840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't work on a top-secret project without signing very serious agreements with Uncle Sam. It just doesn't happen. Therefore he knew damned well he wasn't allowed to share this information, but did so anyway. What the fuck did he expect? What the fuck would *you* expect? If you expected to get away with something like that without consequence, you're a fucking moron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't work on a top-secret project without signing very serious agreements with Uncle Sam .
It just does n't happen .
Therefore he knew damned well he was n't allowed to share this information , but did so anyway .
What the fuck did he expect ?
What the fuck would * you * expect ?
If you expected to get away with something like that without consequence , you 're a fucking moron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't work on a top-secret project without signing very serious agreements with Uncle Sam.
It just doesn't happen.
Therefore he knew damned well he wasn't allowed to share this information, but did so anyway.
What the fuck did he expect?
What the fuck would *you* expect?
If you expected to get away with something like that without consequence, you're a fucking moron.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577415</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>Reservoir Penguin</author>
	<datestamp>1246638480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>For a second I though you were describing the US. What countries did Iran use it's military to take over exactly? On the other hand Iran did see US and NATO take over a country it borders in the east and just two years later the same warmongers took over a country it borders in the west. And then they try to incite a figging "Orange" Revolution. I'd be worried and developing nuclear weapons like mad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For a second I though you were describing the US .
What countries did Iran use it 's military to take over exactly ?
On the other hand Iran did see US and NATO take over a country it borders in the east and just two years later the same warmongers took over a country it borders in the west .
And then they try to incite a figging " Orange " Revolution .
I 'd be worried and developing nuclear weapons like mad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a second I though you were describing the US.
What countries did Iran use it's military to take over exactly?
On the other hand Iran did see US and NATO take over a country it borders in the east and just two years later the same warmongers took over a country it borders in the west.
And then they try to incite a figging "Orange" Revolution.
I'd be worried and developing nuclear weapons like mad.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576913</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576185</id>
	<title>he's an idiot</title>
	<author>gchesney0001</author>
	<datestamp>1246624680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and deserves what he got.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and deserves what he got .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and deserves what he got.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577881</id>
	<title>He Did It For The Money</title>
	<author>littlewink</author>
	<datestamp>1246644480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Follow the money! The Chinese have so many dollars they're practically burning them. This guy was undoubtedly paid a couple million under the table by the Chinese for his "contribution". It's obvious he made a bundle because he is willing to go to jail for it.

All the crap about sharing with graduate students and not reading the regulations is ridiculous. When all is said and done the professor is set for life and we've lost our lead in another technological area. We should change the laws so that we shoot agents of industrial espionage rather than imprison them for a few years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Follow the money !
The Chinese have so many dollars they 're practically burning them .
This guy was undoubtedly paid a couple million under the table by the Chinese for his " contribution " .
It 's obvious he made a bundle because he is willing to go to jail for it .
All the crap about sharing with graduate students and not reading the regulations is ridiculous .
When all is said and done the professor is set for life and we 've lost our lead in another technological area .
We should change the laws so that we shoot agents of industrial espionage rather than imprison them for a few years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Follow the money!
The Chinese have so many dollars they're practically burning them.
This guy was undoubtedly paid a couple million under the table by the Chinese for his "contribution".
It's obvious he made a bundle because he is willing to go to jail for it.
All the crap about sharing with graduate students and not reading the regulations is ridiculous.
When all is said and done the professor is set for life and we've lost our lead in another technological area.
We should change the laws so that we shoot agents of industrial espionage rather than imprison them for a few years.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575129</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578899</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246704240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, the student was selected by the U.S. government?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , the student was selected by the U.S. government ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, the student was selected by the U.S. government?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576913</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577149</id>
	<title>Indifferent</title>
	<author>RazorSharp</author>
	<datestamp>1246635540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really don't know what to think. Everyone is focussed on this unfortunate professor's situation while I'm more concerned about the idea of fighting wars with robots. It's not like any of the information really matters, the Chinese will always be able to make a badassthingamajig just as big or bigger than ours. We fight wars with primitive countries because a war between any two of the permanent U.N. security council members would be armageddon. If we start monitoring and fighting these countries which are unfortunate enough to be our enemy with robots then they'll get super pissed off. What I gathered from the article the technology he shared helped these drones fly better. If that's the case we should be sharing this information with other countries, namely the French, so their planes will stop dropping into the ocean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really do n't know what to think .
Everyone is focussed on this unfortunate professor 's situation while I 'm more concerned about the idea of fighting wars with robots .
It 's not like any of the information really matters , the Chinese will always be able to make a badassthingamajig just as big or bigger than ours .
We fight wars with primitive countries because a war between any two of the permanent U.N. security council members would be armageddon .
If we start monitoring and fighting these countries which are unfortunate enough to be our enemy with robots then they 'll get super pissed off .
What I gathered from the article the technology he shared helped these drones fly better .
If that 's the case we should be sharing this information with other countries , namely the French , so their planes will stop dropping into the ocean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really don't know what to think.
Everyone is focussed on this unfortunate professor's situation while I'm more concerned about the idea of fighting wars with robots.
It's not like any of the information really matters, the Chinese will always be able to make a badassthingamajig just as big or bigger than ours.
We fight wars with primitive countries because a war between any two of the permanent U.N. security council members would be armageddon.
If we start monitoring and fighting these countries which are unfortunate enough to be our enemy with robots then they'll get super pissed off.
What I gathered from the article the technology he shared helped these drones fly better.
If that's the case we should be sharing this information with other countries, namely the French, so their planes will stop dropping into the ocean.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576309</id>
	<title>Re:This entire conversation is rediculous</title>
	<author>moxley</author>
	<datestamp>1246626000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I totally disagree.</p><p>What is RIDICULOUS is the fact that he got sentenced to 4 years in prison for this.</p><p>There are some finer points to this story that don't really seem to be covered in the Scientific American article, there is more to the story. I am not saying the guy acted intelligently here, but the government is using him to make a point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally disagree.What is RIDICULOUS is the fact that he got sentenced to 4 years in prison for this.There are some finer points to this story that do n't really seem to be covered in the Scientific American article , there is more to the story .
I am not saying the guy acted intelligently here , but the government is using him to make a point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally disagree.What is RIDICULOUS is the fact that he got sentenced to 4 years in prison for this.There are some finer points to this story that don't really seem to be covered in the Scientific American article, there is more to the story.
I am not saying the guy acted intelligently here, but the government is using him to make a point.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575561</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578043</id>
	<title>Re:There is a city in Georiga where guns are requi</title>
	<author>greyhueofdoubt</author>
	<datestamp>1246646700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are used *by* the U.S. in *other* countries. No other country uses UAVs as much as we do. And the countries we use them is have, shall we say, rather high crime rates.</p><p>Not sure what you're getting at. Your posts are usually much more clear.</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are used * by * the U.S. in * other * countries .
No other country uses UAVs as much as we do .
And the countries we use them is have , shall we say , rather high crime rates.Not sure what you 're getting at .
Your posts are usually much more clear.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are used *by* the U.S. in *other* countries.
No other country uses UAVs as much as we do.
And the countries we use them is have, shall we say, rather high crime rates.Not sure what you're getting at.
Your posts are usually much more clear.-b</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28580009</id>
	<title>Who said it's "classified"?</title>
	<author>skoda</author>
	<datestamp>1246721640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where is said the information is "classified"? This may be ITAR controlled data, which is not classified.</p><p>There is a broad range of information which is not classified, which is not trade-secret, which can be discussed openly...but never with any foreign persons.</p><p>It has a good deal of security theater. Data can and will be granted export exceptions if that exception is needed to get the work done for, say, NASA. So it's export prohibited until it must be exported to get the job done, and then it's not export prohibited.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where is said the information is " classified " ?
This may be ITAR controlled data , which is not classified.There is a broad range of information which is not classified , which is not trade-secret , which can be discussed openly...but never with any foreign persons.It has a good deal of security theater .
Data can and will be granted export exceptions if that exception is needed to get the work done for , say , NASA .
So it 's export prohibited until it must be exported to get the job done , and then it 's not export prohibited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where is said the information is "classified"?
This may be ITAR controlled data, which is not classified.There is a broad range of information which is not classified, which is not trade-secret, which can be discussed openly...but never with any foreign persons.It has a good deal of security theater.
Data can and will be granted export exceptions if that exception is needed to get the work done for, say, NASA.
So it's export prohibited until it must be exported to get the job done, and then it's not export prohibited.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576913</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577211</id>
	<title>Stupidity should be rewarded with jail.</title>
	<author>upuv</author>
	<datestamp>1246636440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First thing.  I'm not war monger.  I think every gun on the planet should be destroyed.  Even the ones used for "sport", "hunting", blah blah blah.</p><p>Now Professor == Smart Guy/Gal you would think.  I'm sorry but the parrots that beg for food from me on my balcony are now all saying "Well Duh!". They are clearly smarter than this "Smart Guy".  Lets show as many people as we can significant portions of plans for a flying robot that has enough lift capacity and range to be a weapons platform.  How dumb can you be.</p><p>Many years ago I came up with a method for eliminating driving related accidents.  With the exception of accidents caused by factors outside of the control of the driver.  It's amazingly cheap and easy to implement.  All it requires is ink.  That's it.</p><p>When I driver commits his/her first obvious idiot move behind the wheel.  I mean something really stupid.  Like drink driving.  Double the speed limit etc.  Something that basically could very easily mean someones death.  You take their id and then stamp "TO STUPID TO DRIVE" across the front of it.  This tag "TO STUPID TO DRIVE" will also be printed on all other forms of identification once they are renewed.  This is forever, the shame will follow you to your grave.</p><p>Offence #2,  Clearly this individual is even dumber than ever imagined.  Again ink to the rescue.  This time in the form of a tattoo.  Square on the forehead.  "To Stupid to Drive" and "evirD ot diputS oT" below it.</p><p>Now my problem is how do I modify this ink plan of  mine to handle this "Smart Guys" moron move?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First thing .
I 'm not war monger .
I think every gun on the planet should be destroyed .
Even the ones used for " sport " , " hunting " , blah blah blah.Now Professor = = Smart Guy/Gal you would think .
I 'm sorry but the parrots that beg for food from me on my balcony are now all saying " Well Duh ! " .
They are clearly smarter than this " Smart Guy " .
Lets show as many people as we can significant portions of plans for a flying robot that has enough lift capacity and range to be a weapons platform .
How dumb can you be.Many years ago I came up with a method for eliminating driving related accidents .
With the exception of accidents caused by factors outside of the control of the driver .
It 's amazingly cheap and easy to implement .
All it requires is ink .
That 's it.When I driver commits his/her first obvious idiot move behind the wheel .
I mean something really stupid .
Like drink driving .
Double the speed limit etc .
Something that basically could very easily mean someones death .
You take their id and then stamp " TO STUPID TO DRIVE " across the front of it .
This tag " TO STUPID TO DRIVE " will also be printed on all other forms of identification once they are renewed .
This is forever , the shame will follow you to your grave.Offence # 2 , Clearly this individual is even dumber than ever imagined .
Again ink to the rescue .
This time in the form of a tattoo .
Square on the forehead .
" To Stupid to Drive " and " evirD ot diputS oT " below it.Now my problem is how do I modify this ink plan of mine to handle this " Smart Guys " moron move ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First thing.
I'm not war monger.
I think every gun on the planet should be destroyed.
Even the ones used for "sport", "hunting", blah blah blah.Now Professor == Smart Guy/Gal you would think.
I'm sorry but the parrots that beg for food from me on my balcony are now all saying "Well Duh!".
They are clearly smarter than this "Smart Guy".
Lets show as many people as we can significant portions of plans for a flying robot that has enough lift capacity and range to be a weapons platform.
How dumb can you be.Many years ago I came up with a method for eliminating driving related accidents.
With the exception of accidents caused by factors outside of the control of the driver.
It's amazingly cheap and easy to implement.
All it requires is ink.
That's it.When I driver commits his/her first obvious idiot move behind the wheel.
I mean something really stupid.
Like drink driving.
Double the speed limit etc.
Something that basically could very easily mean someones death.
You take their id and then stamp "TO STUPID TO DRIVE" across the front of it.
This tag "TO STUPID TO DRIVE" will also be printed on all other forms of identification once they are renewed.
This is forever, the shame will follow you to your grave.Offence #2,  Clearly this individual is even dumber than ever imagined.
Again ink to the rescue.
This time in the form of a tattoo.
Square on the forehead.
"To Stupid to Drive" and "evirD ot diputS oT" below it.Now my problem is how do I modify this ink plan of  mine to handle this "Smart Guys" moron move?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28579097</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246708500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Because it's another crybaby story the govt. is evil,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."</p><p>We torture...but are not evil.<br>We let them off the hook...but we are not evil.</p><p>Sure he broke the law......but there are bigger fish</p><p>maybe US is not EVIL, but it sure isn't GOOD</p><p>happy fourth of U\_LIE</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Because it 's another crybaby story the govt .
is evil , ... " We torture...but are not evil.We let them off the hook...but we are not evil.Sure he broke the law......but there are bigger fishmaybe US is not EVIL , but it sure is n't GOODhappy fourth of U \ _LIE</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Because it's another crybaby story the govt.
is evil, ..."We torture...but are not evil.We let them off the hook...but we are not evil.Sure he broke the law......but there are bigger fishmaybe US is not EVIL, but it sure isn't GOODhappy fourth of U\_LIE</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575065</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28595785</id>
	<title>Re:Plasma actuator</title>
	<author>powerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1246901460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Forget the prison sentence, I want to learn about the "plasma actuator that could help reduce drag on the wings of drones". (This is a tech site, remember?) So, how do these work?</p></div></blockquote><p>We could tell you, but then we'd have to imprison you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget the prison sentence , I want to learn about the " plasma actuator that could help reduce drag on the wings of drones " .
( This is a tech site , remember ?
) So , how do these work ? We could tell you , but then we 'd have to imprison you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget the prison sentence, I want to learn about the "plasma actuator that could help reduce drag on the wings of drones".
(This is a tech site, remember?
) So, how do these work?We could tell you, but then we'd have to imprison you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575087</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575769</id>
	<title>Re:Not long enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246620900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Should have been 40 years, idiot.  Just bringing the laptop to China is shear stupidity.</p></div><p>Not really relevant. The data can be copied from it just as easily in the US.</p></div><p>True, but no need to deliver it to them all tied up with a pretty ribbon and bow now is there?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Even the " prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals" condition is a fluff, since a foreign nation can simply pay a US citizen to get the data.</p></div><p>They didn't even have to pay this buffoon.  He tied it up with a pretty ribbon and bow and made a gift of it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should have been 40 years , idiot .
Just bringing the laptop to China is shear stupidity.Not really relevant .
The data can be copied from it just as easily in the US.True , but no need to deliver it to them all tied up with a pretty ribbon and bow now is there ? Even the " prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals " condition is a fluff , since a foreign nation can simply pay a US citizen to get the data.They did n't even have to pay this buffoon .
He tied it up with a pretty ribbon and bow and made a gift of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should have been 40 years, idiot.
Just bringing the laptop to China is shear stupidity.Not really relevant.
The data can be copied from it just as easily in the US.True, but no need to deliver it to them all tied up with a pretty ribbon and bow now is there?Even the " prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals" condition is a fluff, since a foreign nation can simply pay a US citizen to get the data.They didn't even have to pay this buffoon.
He tied it up with a pretty ribbon and bow and made a gift of it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575139</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575211</id>
	<title>Re:Why stop there..</title>
	<author>Kartoffel</author>
	<datestamp>1246616340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They could be, but more likely they'll just have their student visas terminated and be sent back to China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They could be , but more likely they 'll just have their student visas terminated and be sent back to China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could be, but more likely they'll just have their student visas terminated and be sent back to China.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574879</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575359</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1246617420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"Openness", both ideologically and in the FOSS sense, forms one of the core requirements of successful academia.</p></div></blockquote><p>So what?  Academia isn't under discussion - corporate research and development is.<br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>I don't blame or absolve the professor - He had a contract, and I suppose the legal details of this boil down to a matter of contract law (though I most certainly do have a problem with prison time rather than monetary damages for breach of contract).</p></div></blockquote><p>He didn't go to prison because he broke his contract - he went to prison because he broke the law.<br>
&nbsp; <br>[Handwaving horsecrap deleted as not worth commenting on.]<br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>You don't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies, and you don't hold it accountable if you give it a gun and someone gets hurt.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Since it was an adult 'given the gun' - how the fuck is a baby relevant?  The professor signed the contract, the professor was given specific warning, how the hell is he not accountable?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Openness " , both ideologically and in the FOSS sense , forms one of the core requirements of successful academia.So what ?
Academia is n't under discussion - corporate research and development is .
    I do n't blame or absolve the professor - He had a contract , and I suppose the legal details of this boil down to a matter of contract law ( though I most certainly do have a problem with prison time rather than monetary damages for breach of contract ) .He did n't go to prison because he broke his contract - he went to prison because he broke the law .
  [ Handwaving horsecrap deleted as not worth commenting on .
]     You do n't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies , and you do n't hold it accountable if you give it a gun and someone gets hurt .
Since it was an adult 'given the gun ' - how the fuck is a baby relevant ?
The professor signed the contract , the professor was given specific warning , how the hell is he not accountable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Openness", both ideologically and in the FOSS sense, forms one of the core requirements of successful academia.So what?
Academia isn't under discussion - corporate research and development is.
  
  I don't blame or absolve the professor - He had a contract, and I suppose the legal details of this boil down to a matter of contract law (though I most certainly do have a problem with prison time rather than monetary damages for breach of contract).He didn't go to prison because he broke his contract - he went to prison because he broke the law.
  [Handwaving horsecrap deleted as not worth commenting on.
]
  
  You don't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies, and you don't hold it accountable if you give it a gun and someone gets hurt.
Since it was an adult 'given the gun' - how the fuck is a baby relevant?
The professor signed the contract, the professor was given specific warning, how the hell is he not accountable?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578407</id>
	<title>Re:Story missed the point..</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1246738740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The kneejerk reaction you are seeing is because intelligent people know instantly that 'secret goverment project' regardless of who knew what before hand, means, as a general rule, you're going to have to keep your fucking mouth shut.</p><p>The reaction you are seeing is because appearently EVERYONE else in the world knows not to do this shit, except this guy, who claims he didn't know, which again, every who has worked with the government on these sorts of things knows is bullshit because they drill it into your head so many times it makes you sick.</p><p>The reaction is because EVERYONE IN THE WORLD realizes how sticky these situations are and how careful you have to be to cover your own ass, and when they see someone go to another country that has no problem stilling data from the US and makes no attempt to hide it, WITH DATA HE WAS TOLD NOT TO TALK ABOUT, and then he goes out of his way to show it to people, its not like he lost his laptop<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p><p>Sorry, rambling on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... we react this way because the whole thing is so obviously an area where you'd be careful as fuck even if you were Forrest Gump, that we just don't accept an excuse and it does, in fact, appear to be blatant treason to anyone with 3 or more brain cells.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The kneejerk reaction you are seeing is because intelligent people know instantly that 'secret goverment project ' regardless of who knew what before hand , means , as a general rule , you 're going to have to keep your fucking mouth shut.The reaction you are seeing is because appearently EVERYONE else in the world knows not to do this shit , except this guy , who claims he did n't know , which again , every who has worked with the government on these sorts of things knows is bullshit because they drill it into your head so many times it makes you sick.The reaction is because EVERYONE IN THE WORLD realizes how sticky these situations are and how careful you have to be to cover your own ass , and when they see someone go to another country that has no problem stilling data from the US and makes no attempt to hide it , WITH DATA HE WAS TOLD NOT TO TALK ABOUT , and then he goes out of his way to show it to people , its not like he lost his laptop ....Sorry , rambling on ... we react this way because the whole thing is so obviously an area where you 'd be careful as fuck even if you were Forrest Gump , that we just do n't accept an excuse and it does , in fact , appear to be blatant treason to anyone with 3 or more brain cells .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The kneejerk reaction you are seeing is because intelligent people know instantly that 'secret goverment project' regardless of who knew what before hand, means, as a general rule, you're going to have to keep your fucking mouth shut.The reaction you are seeing is because appearently EVERYONE else in the world knows not to do this shit, except this guy, who claims he didn't know, which again, every who has worked with the government on these sorts of things knows is bullshit because they drill it into your head so many times it makes you sick.The reaction is because EVERYONE IN THE WORLD realizes how sticky these situations are and how careful you have to be to cover your own ass, and when they see someone go to another country that has no problem stilling data from the US and makes no attempt to hide it, WITH DATA HE WAS TOLD NOT TO TALK ABOUT, and then he goes out of his way to show it to people, its not like he lost his laptop ....Sorry, rambling on ... we react this way because the whole thing is so obviously an area where you'd be careful as fuck even if you were Forrest Gump, that we just don't accept an excuse and it does, in fact, appear to be blatant treason to anyone with 3 or more brain cells.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576811</id>
	<title>Re:An marican hero</title>
	<author>poity</author>
	<datestamp>1246630980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But when everyone is confident that everyone else would do everything to avoid war, wouldn't each of them be more inclined to pursue increasingly provocative actions in the economic and political arenas due to this "assurance"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But when everyone is confident that everyone else would do everything to avoid war , would n't each of them be more inclined to pursue increasingly provocative actions in the economic and political arenas due to this " assurance " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But when everyone is confident that everyone else would do everything to avoid war, wouldn't each of them be more inclined to pursue increasingly provocative actions in the economic and political arenas due to this "assurance"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575259</id>
	<title>In other news....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246616700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A sigh of relief for unemployed professors as the University of Tennessee announces a new opening!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A sigh of relief for unemployed professors as the University of Tennessee announces a new opening !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A sigh of relief for unemployed professors as the University of Tennessee announces a new opening!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577785</id>
	<title>He shared sensitive data with enemies</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246642980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would be ok if it were say Canadian students, however it was a CHINESE and an IRANIAN. Both those countries are in direct conflict with the United States albeit not under a declared state of war. Iran basically would love to see the United States nuked to the stone-age and China would love to enslave us and enact their human rights oppressing laws on our populace. We cannot allow the conscious proliferation of data regarding military technologies to these countries. For all we know the guy probably got paid by the governments to divulge the information and the "Graduate Students" are now working for their respective governments building technologies that may be used against the United States.</p><p>The professor deserves as many years in prison as the FBI Agent Robert Hanssen (dramatized in the movie Breach) that sold secrets to Russia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be ok if it were say Canadian students , however it was a CHINESE and an IRANIAN .
Both those countries are in direct conflict with the United States albeit not under a declared state of war .
Iran basically would love to see the United States nuked to the stone-age and China would love to enslave us and enact their human rights oppressing laws on our populace .
We can not allow the conscious proliferation of data regarding military technologies to these countries .
For all we know the guy probably got paid by the governments to divulge the information and the " Graduate Students " are now working for their respective governments building technologies that may be used against the United States.The professor deserves as many years in prison as the FBI Agent Robert Hanssen ( dramatized in the movie Breach ) that sold secrets to Russia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be ok if it were say Canadian students, however it was a CHINESE and an IRANIAN.
Both those countries are in direct conflict with the United States albeit not under a declared state of war.
Iran basically would love to see the United States nuked to the stone-age and China would love to enslave us and enact their human rights oppressing laws on our populace.
We cannot allow the conscious proliferation of data regarding military technologies to these countries.
For all we know the guy probably got paid by the governments to divulge the information and the "Graduate Students" are now working for their respective governments building technologies that may be used against the United States.The professor deserves as many years in prison as the FBI Agent Robert Hanssen (dramatized in the movie Breach) that sold secrets to Russia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28582199</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246698180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they did, but you're not connected enough to know about it. RTFC... read the f***ing contract. j/k sorry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they did , but you 're not connected enough to know about it .
RTFC... read the f * * * ing contract .
j/k sorry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they did, but you're not connected enough to know about it.
RTFC... read the f***ing contract.
j/k sorry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28581505</id>
	<title>Re:Life or Death...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246733940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, yes kill him!<br>American Patriots</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , yes kill him ! American Patriots</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, yes kill him!American Patriots</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575535</id>
	<title>Re:Why stop there..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246618980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why not go ahead and execute the professor for what he is - a damned traitor!<br><br>That's the problem we have in this country. We won't face the truth of a situation and call evil what it is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not go ahead and execute the professor for what he is - a damned traitor ! That 's the problem we have in this country .
We wo n't face the truth of a situation and call evil what it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not go ahead and execute the professor for what he is - a damned traitor!That's the problem we have in this country.
We won't face the truth of a situation and call evil what it is.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574879</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28581985</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1246739100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Hate to pull you down from your clouds, but you are way off. First of all,<br>&gt; none of these graduate students, at least in physical sciences, actually<br>&gt; "pay tuition". Usually in one way (working as teaching assistant or<br>&gt; research assistant) or another (grants and fellowships), they will not<br>&gt; only attend the school tuition-free, they will also get paid living<br>&gt; expenses. I should know, I'm one of these graduate students (although<br>&gt; not an international one).</p><p>Let me guess... you're not a grad student in the study of economics.</p><p>You are making the mistake of equating currency with the only form of payment. If I mow your lawn, whether you pay me $20 worth of paper money, gold, or chickens is completely irrelevant. This "tuition-free" school it not free at all. The school is entering into a transaction with the student to exchange schooling for research. Or, society is entering into a transaction with the student to exchange schooling for future benefits.</p><p>You are suggesting that people are handing out schooling with no expectation of any return. Not only is that unsound, it's also ridiculous. All schools would be out of business in no time.</p><p>&gt; In fact, if it's a public institution, these foreign graduate<br>&gt; students actually cost the department... This is often used as a<br>&gt; justification for having a higher standard for foreign student admission.</p><p>Again, you essentially point out the economics at work yet seem to be completely oblivious to them at the same time. It costs the school more for international students, therefore they want more out of international students.</p><p>&gt; It's easy to talk about "intellectual freedom" and "freedom of information"<br>&gt; (BTW, none of these are fundamental rights protected by the Constitution,</p><p>You are right and you are wrong. You are right in that it is not an explicit right laid out. However, if it was not granted by the Constitution, it probably wouldn't exist. The truth is, the very structure of our government (short-term, elected officials) coupled with some power remaining with the states (2nd Amendment, 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment) creates a need for transparency, for the sake of the elected officials. If the people and the states do not trust what the federal government is doing, they will rebel (by refusing to enforce federal laws, by refusing to collect federal tax dollars, or by force).</p><p>&gt; liberals to talk about "spreading the wealth" and having a "safety net"<br>&gt; that lets the unemployed live in luxury, as long as they ignore the<br>&gt; realities of the real world economics.</p><p>The irony of you pointing out ignorance to economics is a bit amusing.</p><p>&gt; Do you think Lockheed-Martin should freely share information about all<br>&gt; the bombers and stealth fighters they build?</p><p>It depends on who owns the intellectual property and/or the terms of the contract. This is not a question of morality, as you imply with the question including the word "should". LM has every right to give information they own to anyone they want, until that right is restricted by contract, to which both parties agree.</p><p>This isn't hard stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Hate to pull you down from your clouds , but you are way off .
First of all , &gt; none of these graduate students , at least in physical sciences , actually &gt; " pay tuition " .
Usually in one way ( working as teaching assistant or &gt; research assistant ) or another ( grants and fellowships ) , they will not &gt; only attend the school tuition-free , they will also get paid living &gt; expenses .
I should know , I 'm one of these graduate students ( although &gt; not an international one ) .Let me guess... you 're not a grad student in the study of economics.You are making the mistake of equating currency with the only form of payment .
If I mow your lawn , whether you pay me $ 20 worth of paper money , gold , or chickens is completely irrelevant .
This " tuition-free " school it not free at all .
The school is entering into a transaction with the student to exchange schooling for research .
Or , society is entering into a transaction with the student to exchange schooling for future benefits.You are suggesting that people are handing out schooling with no expectation of any return .
Not only is that unsound , it 's also ridiculous .
All schools would be out of business in no time. &gt; In fact , if it 's a public institution , these foreign graduate &gt; students actually cost the department... This is often used as a &gt; justification for having a higher standard for foreign student admission.Again , you essentially point out the economics at work yet seem to be completely oblivious to them at the same time .
It costs the school more for international students , therefore they want more out of international students. &gt; It 's easy to talk about " intellectual freedom " and " freedom of information " &gt; ( BTW , none of these are fundamental rights protected by the Constitution,You are right and you are wrong .
You are right in that it is not an explicit right laid out .
However , if it was not granted by the Constitution , it probably would n't exist .
The truth is , the very structure of our government ( short-term , elected officials ) coupled with some power remaining with the states ( 2nd Amendment , 9th Amendment , 10th Amendment ) creates a need for transparency , for the sake of the elected officials .
If the people and the states do not trust what the federal government is doing , they will rebel ( by refusing to enforce federal laws , by refusing to collect federal tax dollars , or by force ) . &gt; liberals to talk about " spreading the wealth " and having a " safety net " &gt; that lets the unemployed live in luxury , as long as they ignore the &gt; realities of the real world economics.The irony of you pointing out ignorance to economics is a bit amusing. &gt; Do you think Lockheed-Martin should freely share information about all &gt; the bombers and stealth fighters they build ? It depends on who owns the intellectual property and/or the terms of the contract .
This is not a question of morality , as you imply with the question including the word " should " .
LM has every right to give information they own to anyone they want , until that right is restricted by contract , to which both parties agree.This is n't hard stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Hate to pull you down from your clouds, but you are way off.
First of all,&gt; none of these graduate students, at least in physical sciences, actually&gt; "pay tuition".
Usually in one way (working as teaching assistant or&gt; research assistant) or another (grants and fellowships), they will not&gt; only attend the school tuition-free, they will also get paid living&gt; expenses.
I should know, I'm one of these graduate students (although&gt; not an international one).Let me guess... you're not a grad student in the study of economics.You are making the mistake of equating currency with the only form of payment.
If I mow your lawn, whether you pay me $20 worth of paper money, gold, or chickens is completely irrelevant.
This "tuition-free" school it not free at all.
The school is entering into a transaction with the student to exchange schooling for research.
Or, society is entering into a transaction with the student to exchange schooling for future benefits.You are suggesting that people are handing out schooling with no expectation of any return.
Not only is that unsound, it's also ridiculous.
All schools would be out of business in no time.&gt; In fact, if it's a public institution, these foreign graduate&gt; students actually cost the department... This is often used as a&gt; justification for having a higher standard for foreign student admission.Again, you essentially point out the economics at work yet seem to be completely oblivious to them at the same time.
It costs the school more for international students, therefore they want more out of international students.&gt; It's easy to talk about "intellectual freedom" and "freedom of information"&gt; (BTW, none of these are fundamental rights protected by the Constitution,You are right and you are wrong.
You are right in that it is not an explicit right laid out.
However, if it was not granted by the Constitution, it probably wouldn't exist.
The truth is, the very structure of our government (short-term, elected officials) coupled with some power remaining with the states (2nd Amendment, 9th Amendment, 10th Amendment) creates a need for transparency, for the sake of the elected officials.
If the people and the states do not trust what the federal government is doing, they will rebel (by refusing to enforce federal laws, by refusing to collect federal tax dollars, or by force).&gt; liberals to talk about "spreading the wealth" and having a "safety net"&gt; that lets the unemployed live in luxury, as long as they ignore the&gt; realities of the real world economics.The irony of you pointing out ignorance to economics is a bit amusing.&gt; Do you think Lockheed-Martin should freely share information about all&gt; the bombers and stealth fighters they build?It depends on who owns the intellectual property and/or the terms of the contract.
This is not a question of morality, as you imply with the question including the word "should".
LM has every right to give information they own to anyone they want, until that right is restricted by contract, to which both parties agree.This isn't hard stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578321</id>
	<title>But the contract...</title>
	<author>Chris Snook</author>
	<datestamp>1246651140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...didn't contain information directly relevant to his research!  How can he be expected to waste his valuable time reading it?  That's what he has Chinese and Iranian grad students for.</p><p>Forcing researchers to actually read documents they sign will severely hamper their research output.  This is a slippery slope to enforcing acceptable use policies, delaying ethically sensitive experiments for IRB reviews, and punishing careless plagiarism.  Does tenure mean nothing?</p><p>I'm terribly afraid a certain former adviser of mine could be swept up in this dragnet of red tape.  I'd email him a link to this story, but I'm sure he wouldn't have time to read it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...did n't contain information directly relevant to his research !
How can he be expected to waste his valuable time reading it ?
That 's what he has Chinese and Iranian grad students for.Forcing researchers to actually read documents they sign will severely hamper their research output .
This is a slippery slope to enforcing acceptable use policies , delaying ethically sensitive experiments for IRB reviews , and punishing careless plagiarism .
Does tenure mean nothing ? I 'm terribly afraid a certain former adviser of mine could be swept up in this dragnet of red tape .
I 'd email him a link to this story , but I 'm sure he would n't have time to read it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...didn't contain information directly relevant to his research!
How can he be expected to waste his valuable time reading it?
That's what he has Chinese and Iranian grad students for.Forcing researchers to actually read documents they sign will severely hamper their research output.
This is a slippery slope to enforcing acceptable use policies, delaying ethically sensitive experiments for IRB reviews, and punishing careless plagiarism.
Does tenure mean nothing?I'm terribly afraid a certain former adviser of mine could be swept up in this dragnet of red tape.
I'd email him a link to this story, but I'm sure he wouldn't have time to read it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575683</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>david.emery</author>
	<datestamp>1246620060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, if you don't like the restrictions, DON'T TAKE THE MONEY!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , if you do n't like the restrictions , DO N'T TAKE THE MONEY !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, if you don't like the restrictions, DON'T TAKE THE MONEY!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576515</id>
	<title>Re:Story missed the point..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246627800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'm surprised to see slashdoters' knee jerk reactions to this story.</i></p><p>Uhhhhhh...huh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised to see slashdoters ' knee jerk reactions to this story.Uhhhhhh...huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised to see slashdoters' knee jerk reactions to this story.Uhhhhhh...huh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575441</id>
	<title>Yawn...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246618200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems it's just another day in Dogville...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems it 's just another day in Dogville.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems it's just another day in Dogville...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575139</id>
	<title>Re:Not long enough</title>
	<author>patro</author>
	<datestamp>1246615740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Should have been 40 years, idiot.  Just bringing the laptop to China is shear stupidity.</p></div><p>Not really relevant. The data can be copied from it just as easily in the US.</p><p>Even the " prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals" condition is a fluff, since a foreign nation can simply pay a US citizen to get the data.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Should have been 40 years , idiot .
Just bringing the laptop to China is shear stupidity.Not really relevant .
The data can be copied from it just as easily in the US.Even the " prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals " condition is a fluff , since a foreign nation can simply pay a US citizen to get the data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should have been 40 years, idiot.
Just bringing the laptop to China is shear stupidity.Not really relevant.
The data can be copied from it just as easily in the US.Even the " prohibited from sharing sensitive data with foreign nationals" condition is a fluff, since a foreign nation can simply pay a US citizen to get the data.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575479</id>
	<title>Re:An marican hero</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246618500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mod this way up</p><p>MAD : the only way to be safe</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mod this way upMAD : the only way to be safe</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mod this way upMAD : the only way to be safe</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575713</id>
	<title>Re:Not long enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246620360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real stupid part was that it mattered at all.</p><p>Some people on some island don't want some guys on another island to know their super secret plans.<br>Who gives a shit really.</p><p>The whole thing is stupid.</p><p>That we even give respect to these people building killing machines is stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real stupid part was that it mattered at all.Some people on some island do n't want some guys on another island to know their super secret plans.Who gives a shit really.The whole thing is stupid.That we even give respect to these people building killing machines is stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real stupid part was that it mattered at all.Some people on some island don't want some guys on another island to know their super secret plans.Who gives a shit really.The whole thing is stupid.That we even give respect to these people building killing machines is stupid.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575203</id>
	<title>Re:Not long enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246616280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You wouldn't be saying that if you knew the person. You're the kind of person who is a fucking moron. 40 years? WHAT THE FUCK.  Why is it that everyone in USA argues for longer prison times? I would've thought there was no one left outside of prisons over there to argue it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You would n't be saying that if you knew the person .
You 're the kind of person who is a fucking moron .
40 years ?
WHAT THE FUCK .
Why is it that everyone in USA argues for longer prison times ?
I would 've thought there was no one left outside of prisons over there to argue it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You wouldn't be saying that if you knew the person.
You're the kind of person who is a fucking moron.
40 years?
WHAT THE FUCK.
Why is it that everyone in USA argues for longer prison times?
I would've thought there was no one left outside of prisons over there to argue it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28587219</id>
	<title>Re:Life or Death...</title>
	<author>markringen</author>
	<datestamp>1246819200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>your either a dumbass, or you have nothing better to do.
treason, from what era are u? there is no such thing, china knows more about technology than the US government (also because everything american is made there...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>your either a dumbass , or you have nothing better to do .
treason , from what era are u ?
there is no such thing , china knows more about technology than the US government ( also because everything american is made there... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your either a dumbass, or you have nothing better to do.
treason, from what era are u?
there is no such thing, china knows more about technology than the US government (also because everything american is made there...)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575461</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575733</id>
	<title>ITAR is a worthless classification</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246620540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ITAR restricted materials are basically equivalent to what you should be able to access at a reasonably well stocked public library. Its a bogus restriction enacted by Congress to make themselves feel better. Any US citizen can access it, and is somehow supposed to know that they can't share with them damn "furriners".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ITAR restricted materials are basically equivalent to what you should be able to access at a reasonably well stocked public library .
Its a bogus restriction enacted by Congress to make themselves feel better .
Any US citizen can access it , and is somehow supposed to know that they ca n't share with them damn " furriners " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ITAR restricted materials are basically equivalent to what you should be able to access at a reasonably well stocked public library.
Its a bogus restriction enacted by Congress to make themselves feel better.
Any US citizen can access it, and is somehow supposed to know that they can't share with them damn "furriners".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576977</id>
	<title>Don't like the terms?</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1246633200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The don't sign the contract. Or offer the DoD your own wording. Something to the effect that "I do R&amp;D for non-military civilian applications. I consult with and market my technology world-wide. If you (the DoD) happen to identify a military application to which my research is applicable, that's your problem."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The do n't sign the contract .
Or offer the DoD your own wording .
Something to the effect that " I do R&amp;D for non-military civilian applications .
I consult with and market my technology world-wide .
If you ( the DoD ) happen to identify a military application to which my research is applicable , that 's your problem .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The don't sign the contract.
Or offer the DoD your own wording.
Something to the effect that "I do R&amp;D for non-military civilian applications.
I consult with and market my technology world-wide.
If you (the DoD) happen to identify a military application to which my research is applicable, that's your problem.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575631</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246619640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are right of course. We don't blame babies, and we should not blame this professor for that same reason: we can see by his actions he lacks the mental faculty to be held responsible for his actions.</p><p>At least I am not the only one who thins the professor is about as intelligent as a infant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are right of course .
We do n't blame babies , and we should not blame this professor for that same reason : we can see by his actions he lacks the mental faculty to be held responsible for his actions.At least I am not the only one who thins the professor is about as intelligent as a infant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are right of course.
We don't blame babies, and we should not blame this professor for that same reason: we can see by his actions he lacks the mental faculty to be held responsible for his actions.At least I am not the only one who thins the professor is about as intelligent as a infant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575077</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575227</id>
	<title>American Engineering Research == Foreign Students</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246616460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A big problem/bug/feature of American academic engineering research groups is that the graduate students and post-docs are predominantly foreign, typically from China and India. American citizens with advanced engineering degrees are a dying breed - Americans don't (in general) aspire to get PhDs in engineering.</p><p>So if you are soliciting proposals to American universities for defense-related research, be warned that whomever is doing the research (even if they themselves are citizens and cleared) are likely doing that research in a room full of foreign nationals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A big problem/bug/feature of American academic engineering research groups is that the graduate students and post-docs are predominantly foreign , typically from China and India .
American citizens with advanced engineering degrees are a dying breed - Americans do n't ( in general ) aspire to get PhDs in engineering.So if you are soliciting proposals to American universities for defense-related research , be warned that whomever is doing the research ( even if they themselves are citizens and cleared ) are likely doing that research in a room full of foreign nationals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A big problem/bug/feature of American academic engineering research groups is that the graduate students and post-docs are predominantly foreign, typically from China and India.
American citizens with advanced engineering degrees are a dying breed - Americans don't (in general) aspire to get PhDs in engineering.So if you are soliciting proposals to American universities for defense-related research, be warned that whomever is doing the research (even if they themselves are citizens and cleared) are likely doing that research in a room full of foreign nationals.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578363</id>
	<title>Re:I Wasn't Bothered By The Guy's Sentence...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1246738020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did it not occur to you that he may have been working on something not posted in that first google result, or known in general, yet still related to plasma actuators?</p><p>I can find a shitload of information on the Internet and build my own jet aircraft.  That doesn't mean I'll have the avionics or whatever little bits of information that really make our combat aircraft the amazing craft they are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did it not occur to you that he may have been working on something not posted in that first google result , or known in general , yet still related to plasma actuators ? I can find a shitload of information on the Internet and build my own jet aircraft .
That does n't mean I 'll have the avionics or whatever little bits of information that really make our combat aircraft the amazing craft they are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did it not occur to you that he may have been working on something not posted in that first google result, or known in general, yet still related to plasma actuators?I can find a shitload of information on the Internet and build my own jet aircraft.
That doesn't mean I'll have the avionics or whatever little bits of information that really make our combat aircraft the amazing craft they are.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575243</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577223</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246636680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plasma actuator.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... Ohhh that&#226;(TM)s so dangerous and some kind of original idea. NO<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... its just science, like the telephone many simultaneous independent inventors. Colleges OWN the military in the electronic age; if they still want to have ROTC at public universities while having expectations to human rights and employment laws then they should shut up, and just pay the money to fund work. Or colleges should stop providing knowledge to the military. They&#226;(TM)re ethically incompatible anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plasma actuator .
.... Ohhh that   ( TM ) s so dangerous and some kind of original idea .
NO ... its just science , like the telephone many simultaneous independent inventors .
Colleges OWN the military in the electronic age ; if they still want to have ROTC at public universities while having expectations to human rights and employment laws then they should shut up , and just pay the money to fund work .
Or colleges should stop providing knowledge to the military .
They   ( TM ) re ethically incompatible anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plasma actuator.
.... Ohhh thatâ(TM)s so dangerous and some kind of original idea.
NO ... its just science, like the telephone many simultaneous independent inventors.
Colleges OWN the military in the electronic age; if they still want to have ROTC at public universities while having expectations to human rights and employment laws then they should shut up, and just pay the money to fund work.
Or colleges should stop providing knowledge to the military.
Theyâ(TM)re ethically incompatible anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575065</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578531</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>phexitol</author>
	<datestamp>1246740600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, you cynic.</p><p>Why would anyone smart enough to get a Ph.D. even suspect that, after working on classified information, he shouldn't disclose that information to a student hand-selected to study with him by a totalitarian government with a history of using its military to take over others, repress dissent, and threaten other nations?</p><p>hawk</p></div><p>He didn't get in trouble for showing the data to any American students, so what's your point?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , you cynic.Why would anyone smart enough to get a Ph.D. even suspect that , after working on classified information , he should n't disclose that information to a student hand-selected to study with him by a totalitarian government with a history of using its military to take over others , repress dissent , and threaten other nations ? hawkHe did n't get in trouble for showing the data to any American students , so what 's your point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, you cynic.Why would anyone smart enough to get a Ph.D. even suspect that, after working on classified information, he shouldn't disclose that information to a student hand-selected to study with him by a totalitarian government with a history of using its military to take over others, repress dissent, and threaten other nations?hawkHe didn't get in trouble for showing the data to any American students, so what's your point?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578225</id>
	<title>Re:Some of my professors</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1246649100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My god I would, all that money wasted listening to some pompous ass who actually knows very little of practical value.  Its treason at the highest levels if you ask me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My god I would , all that money wasted listening to some pompous ass who actually knows very little of practical value .
Its treason at the highest levels if you ask me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My god I would, all that money wasted listening to some pompous ass who actually knows very little of practical value.
Its treason at the highest levels if you ask me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574915</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576159</id>
	<title>hmm</title>
	<author>snarfbot</author>
	<datestamp>1246624500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so he makes a deal with the dod to sign away his own technology for 6 thousand dollars, the same dod that allegedly pays 26k bucks for a hammer, he sold himself very short indeed.</p><p>then he breaks the contract that he willingly agreed to and ends up in jail, presumably because he is very stupid.</p><p>cant say i feel bad for him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so he makes a deal with the dod to sign away his own technology for 6 thousand dollars , the same dod that allegedly pays 26k bucks for a hammer , he sold himself very short indeed.then he breaks the contract that he willingly agreed to and ends up in jail , presumably because he is very stupid.cant say i feel bad for him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so he makes a deal with the dod to sign away his own technology for 6 thousand dollars, the same dod that allegedly pays 26k bucks for a hammer, he sold himself very short indeed.then he breaks the contract that he willingly agreed to and ends up in jail, presumably because he is very stupid.cant say i feel bad for him.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575665</id>
	<title>Re:What the...?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246619940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For that one, you win twelve Internets.  Nice work!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For that one , you win twelve Internets .
Nice work !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For that one, you win twelve Internets.
Nice work!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575035</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576453</id>
	<title>Re:Lamest court defense ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246627260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I had no idea that the US Military would get pissed if I shared details about how to build flying robots with people from Iran and China! I swear it!</i> <br> <br>However if he'd shared the details with Israel and they'd then sold the information to China/Anywhere they wern't planning to go to war with he'd probably have been in the clear.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had no idea that the US Military would get pissed if I shared details about how to build flying robots with people from Iran and China !
I swear it !
However if he 'd shared the details with Israel and they 'd then sold the information to China/Anywhere they wer n't planning to go to war with he 'd probably have been in the clear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had no idea that the US Military would get pissed if I shared details about how to build flying robots with people from Iran and China!
I swear it!
However if he'd shared the details with Israel and they'd then sold the information to China/Anywhere they wern't planning to go to war with he'd probably have been in the clear.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574935</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575067</id>
	<title>Re:Why stop there..</title>
	<author>Dolphinzilla</author>
	<datestamp>1246615200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>while it is certainly unfortunate that they got sensitive data - the violation of the ITAR was the professors alone and I am glad he was found guilty - aside from the obvious security issues giving away technology weakens our economic and business advantages as well - part of doing business in this country is playing by the rules - if you don't want to play by these rules, then work on non ITAR technologies instead</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>while it is certainly unfortunate that they got sensitive data - the violation of the ITAR was the professors alone and I am glad he was found guilty - aside from the obvious security issues giving away technology weakens our economic and business advantages as well - part of doing business in this country is playing by the rules - if you do n't want to play by these rules , then work on non ITAR technologies instead</tokentext>
<sentencetext>while it is certainly unfortunate that they got sensitive data - the violation of the ITAR was the professors alone and I am glad he was found guilty - aside from the obvious security issues giving away technology weakens our economic and business advantages as well - part of doing business in this country is playing by the rules - if you don't want to play by these rules, then work on non ITAR technologies instead</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574879</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575881</id>
	<title>This is why Stanford got rid of secret projects.</title>
	<author>EWAdams</author>
	<datestamp>1246622040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're an academic you share information so that it may be publicly debated and tested. This helps to find good work and expose bad work. It's how science and technology move forward.</p><p>If you're a spook, you take tons of government money, keep everything secret, and milk even bad ideas for as long as you can because there's no public debate over what you do. You may or may not move science and technology forward, but it doesn't matter because it's all in the name of National Security [cue heavenly choir].</p><p>You can't be both. He shouldn't have tried to be both. An academic doing secret work is a fraud.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're an academic you share information so that it may be publicly debated and tested .
This helps to find good work and expose bad work .
It 's how science and technology move forward.If you 're a spook , you take tons of government money , keep everything secret , and milk even bad ideas for as long as you can because there 's no public debate over what you do .
You may or may not move science and technology forward , but it does n't matter because it 's all in the name of National Security [ cue heavenly choir ] .You ca n't be both .
He should n't have tried to be both .
An academic doing secret work is a fraud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're an academic you share information so that it may be publicly debated and tested.
This helps to find good work and expose bad work.
It's how science and technology move forward.If you're a spook, you take tons of government money, keep everything secret, and milk even bad ideas for as long as you can because there's no public debate over what you do.
You may or may not move science and technology forward, but it doesn't matter because it's all in the name of National Security [cue heavenly choir].You can't be both.
He shouldn't have tried to be both.
An academic doing secret work is a fraud.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575143</id>
	<title>Been there, done that ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246615800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, so I'm in Canada, and everyone knows that Canadians are slackers when it comes to security (sarcasm for the humor challenged).</p><p>The prof had to be ignoring the rules deliberately.   The paperwork I had to sign required the details of every student working on the project.  They didn't have to be security cleared but they sure did have to be Canadian or American.  There was no chance to skip over that clause in the contract; a security guy read it to me out loud and made damn sure I understood what it meant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , so I 'm in Canada , and everyone knows that Canadians are slackers when it comes to security ( sarcasm for the humor challenged ) .The prof had to be ignoring the rules deliberately .
The paperwork I had to sign required the details of every student working on the project .
They did n't have to be security cleared but they sure did have to be Canadian or American .
There was no chance to skip over that clause in the contract ; a security guy read it to me out loud and made damn sure I understood what it meant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, so I'm in Canada, and everyone knows that Canadians are slackers when it comes to security (sarcasm for the humor challenged).The prof had to be ignoring the rules deliberately.
The paperwork I had to sign required the details of every student working on the project.
They didn't have to be security cleared but they sure did have to be Canadian or American.
There was no chance to skip over that clause in the contract; a security guy read it to me out loud and made damn sure I understood what it meant.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578075</id>
	<title>Re:interesting problem re ITAR &amp; public domain</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246647060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you have signed an agreement telling you not to disclose such things, yes. If you are not associated with the DoD in any way, then typically no. ITAR covers basic physical goods, as in, sending your buddy in China the newest U.S. body armor.</p><p>If you are not associated with the DoD, then their stance is basically, 'no one can prove that what he said has anything to do with what we're working on'.</p><p>As an uninformed (just technically, no offense) civilian, you are not a threat to national security.</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you have signed an agreement telling you not to disclose such things , yes .
If you are not associated with the DoD in any way , then typically no .
ITAR covers basic physical goods , as in , sending your buddy in China the newest U.S. body armor.If you are not associated with the DoD , then their stance is basically , 'no one can prove that what he said has anything to do with what we 're working on'.As an uninformed ( just technically , no offense ) civilian , you are not a threat to national security.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you have signed an agreement telling you not to disclose such things, yes.
If you are not associated with the DoD in any way, then typically no.
ITAR covers basic physical goods, as in, sending your buddy in China the newest U.S. body armor.If you are not associated with the DoD, then their stance is basically, 'no one can prove that what he said has anything to do with what we're working on'.As an uninformed (just technically, no offense) civilian, you are not a threat to national security.-b</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575711</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575609</id>
	<title>Re:Lying or stupid?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246619520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probably both lying and stupid.  Lying because his ego/vanity made him think he didn't have to play by what are very clearly defined rules, and stupid for thinking he could get away with it.  A Chinese citizen and an Iranian citizen?  Could he have picked worse grad students?  Or did they pick him?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably both lying and stupid .
Lying because his ego/vanity made him think he did n't have to play by what are very clearly defined rules , and stupid for thinking he could get away with it .
A Chinese citizen and an Iranian citizen ?
Could he have picked worse grad students ?
Or did they pick him ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably both lying and stupid.
Lying because his ego/vanity made him think he didn't have to play by what are very clearly defined rules, and stupid for thinking he could get away with it.
A Chinese citizen and an Iranian citizen?
Could he have picked worse grad students?
Or did they pick him?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574977</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28581909</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1246738020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't be an idiot. He is guilty and should go to jail. The government acted in accordance with the Constitution and good sense. Your attempt to politicize this only shows that you have no real grasp of the arguments of the critics of the government and instead blindly dismiss them with little thought.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't be an idiot .
He is guilty and should go to jail .
The government acted in accordance with the Constitution and good sense .
Your attempt to politicize this only shows that you have no real grasp of the arguments of the critics of the government and instead blindly dismiss them with little thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't be an idiot.
He is guilty and should go to jail.
The government acted in accordance with the Constitution and good sense.
Your attempt to politicize this only shows that you have no real grasp of the arguments of the critics of the government and instead blindly dismiss them with little thought.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575065</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575167</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1246615920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, he broke he rules damned well knowing it was wrong ( and just stupid ).  Toss his ass in jail.</p><p>Are the torrents of the plans up yet?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , he broke he rules damned well knowing it was wrong ( and just stupid ) .
Toss his ass in jail.Are the torrents of the plans up yet ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, he broke he rules damned well knowing it was wrong ( and just stupid ).
Toss his ass in jail.Are the torrents of the plans up yet?
:)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575269</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>bkpark</author>
	<datestamp>1246616760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>at the expense of discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peers all because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader (whom in many cases they came to the US because they don't like the policies or education climate back home) pissed in our Cheerios.</p> </div><p>'Hate to pull you down from your clouds, but you are way off. First of all, none of these graduate students, at least in physical sciences, actually "pay tuition". Usually in one way (working as teaching assistant or research assistant) or another (grants and fellowships), they will not only attend the school tuition-free, they will also get paid living expenses. I should know, I'm one of these graduate students (although not an international one).</p><p>In fact, if it's a public institution, these foreign graduate students actually cost the department extra in the "out-of-state fee", because the department usually ending up paying for these (usually in the amount of $10,000 per year) which foreign graduate students have to pay until they pass their qualifiers (or some such mark which happens on the third or fourth year, if they are on track to graduate fast), whereas domestic students, even if they are not from within the state, would qualify for in-state tuition within a year. This is often used as a justification for having a higher standard for foreign student admission.</p><p>Also, if you want to argue about intellectual freedom, don't pull a double standard and argue against the whole idea of classified projects and all those informations that are supposedly too sensitive for taxpayers to know and yet cost them money. I might agree with you there.</p><p>Once you have accepted the existence of classified information, well, why should these <em>foreign</em> graduate students have access to these when most of the population with actual vested interest in this country cannot get access to this information, and not without going through some sort of clearance process?</p><p>It's easy to talk about "intellectual freedom" and "freedom of information" (BTW, none of these are fundamental rights protected by the Constitution, the way freedom of speech is, especially if you accept classifying information as being constitutional) when you ignore the reality, just like it's easy for liberals to talk about "spreading the wealth" and having a "safety net" that lets the unemployed live in luxury, as long as they ignore the realities of the real world economics.</p><p>When you are ready to come back down to earth and discuss in earnest with the limitations of the real world in mind, then perhaps your arguments will make more sense.</p><p>P.S. BTW, this isn't about the academia. This is about a <em>defense contractor</em> sharing information he shouldn't. Do you think Lockheed-Martin should freely share information about all the bombers and stealth fighters they build?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>at the expense of discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid the same tuition as every other student , yet can not experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peers all because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader ( whom in many cases they came to the US because they do n't like the policies or education climate back home ) pissed in our Cheerios .
'Hate to pull you down from your clouds , but you are way off .
First of all , none of these graduate students , at least in physical sciences , actually " pay tuition " .
Usually in one way ( working as teaching assistant or research assistant ) or another ( grants and fellowships ) , they will not only attend the school tuition-free , they will also get paid living expenses .
I should know , I 'm one of these graduate students ( although not an international one ) .In fact , if it 's a public institution , these foreign graduate students actually cost the department extra in the " out-of-state fee " , because the department usually ending up paying for these ( usually in the amount of $ 10,000 per year ) which foreign graduate students have to pay until they pass their qualifiers ( or some such mark which happens on the third or fourth year , if they are on track to graduate fast ) , whereas domestic students , even if they are not from within the state , would qualify for in-state tuition within a year .
This is often used as a justification for having a higher standard for foreign student admission.Also , if you want to argue about intellectual freedom , do n't pull a double standard and argue against the whole idea of classified projects and all those informations that are supposedly too sensitive for taxpayers to know and yet cost them money .
I might agree with you there.Once you have accepted the existence of classified information , well , why should these foreign graduate students have access to these when most of the population with actual vested interest in this country can not get access to this information , and not without going through some sort of clearance process ? It 's easy to talk about " intellectual freedom " and " freedom of information " ( BTW , none of these are fundamental rights protected by the Constitution , the way freedom of speech is , especially if you accept classifying information as being constitutional ) when you ignore the reality , just like it 's easy for liberals to talk about " spreading the wealth " and having a " safety net " that lets the unemployed live in luxury , as long as they ignore the realities of the real world economics.When you are ready to come back down to earth and discuss in earnest with the limitations of the real world in mind , then perhaps your arguments will make more sense.P.S .
BTW , this is n't about the academia .
This is about a defense contractor sharing information he should n't .
Do you think Lockheed-Martin should freely share information about all the bombers and stealth fighters they build ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at the expense of discrimination against an arbitrary list of students - Students who paid the same tuition as every other student, yet cannot experience the same intellectual freedoms as their peers all because some magic list-of-the-week says their Fearless Leader (whom in many cases they came to the US because they don't like the policies or education climate back home) pissed in our Cheerios.
'Hate to pull you down from your clouds, but you are way off.
First of all, none of these graduate students, at least in physical sciences, actually "pay tuition".
Usually in one way (working as teaching assistant or research assistant) or another (grants and fellowships), they will not only attend the school tuition-free, they will also get paid living expenses.
I should know, I'm one of these graduate students (although not an international one).In fact, if it's a public institution, these foreign graduate students actually cost the department extra in the "out-of-state fee", because the department usually ending up paying for these (usually in the amount of $10,000 per year) which foreign graduate students have to pay until they pass their qualifiers (or some such mark which happens on the third or fourth year, if they are on track to graduate fast), whereas domestic students, even if they are not from within the state, would qualify for in-state tuition within a year.
This is often used as a justification for having a higher standard for foreign student admission.Also, if you want to argue about intellectual freedom, don't pull a double standard and argue against the whole idea of classified projects and all those informations that are supposedly too sensitive for taxpayers to know and yet cost them money.
I might agree with you there.Once you have accepted the existence of classified information, well, why should these foreign graduate students have access to these when most of the population with actual vested interest in this country cannot get access to this information, and not without going through some sort of clearance process?It's easy to talk about "intellectual freedom" and "freedom of information" (BTW, none of these are fundamental rights protected by the Constitution, the way freedom of speech is, especially if you accept classifying information as being constitutional) when you ignore the reality, just like it's easy for liberals to talk about "spreading the wealth" and having a "safety net" that lets the unemployed live in luxury, as long as they ignore the realities of the real world economics.When you are ready to come back down to earth and discuss in earnest with the limitations of the real world in mind, then perhaps your arguments will make more sense.P.S.
BTW, this isn't about the academia.
This is about a defense contractor sharing information he shouldn't.
Do you think Lockheed-Martin should freely share information about all the bombers and stealth fighters they build?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575177</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246615980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You don't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies, and you don't hold it accountable if you give it a gun and someone gets hurt. Simple as that."</p><p>Only because a baby doesn't know right from wrong, a Professor doing work for the military should, people need to learn to be accountable for their own stupidity. The kids could and probably are simply students who came to learn but they could easily be something more nefarious and this is why the rules are in place, the professor CHOSE to defy those rules and now he gets to be held accountable.</p><p>Don't bring openness into this, the military went to an expert for help, he knew the rules going into it that this wasn't the land of lollipops and bubble gum, it isn't open to share with anyone he wants, he took a job with explicit rules and was stupid enough to ignore them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You do n't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies , and you do n't hold it accountable if you give it a gun and someone gets hurt .
Simple as that .
" Only because a baby does n't know right from wrong , a Professor doing work for the military should , people need to learn to be accountable for their own stupidity .
The kids could and probably are simply students who came to learn but they could easily be something more nefarious and this is why the rules are in place , the professor CHOSE to defy those rules and now he gets to be held accountable.Do n't bring openness into this , the military went to an expert for help , he knew the rules going into it that this was n't the land of lollipops and bubble gum , it is n't open to share with anyone he wants , he took a job with explicit rules and was stupid enough to ignore them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You don't spank a baby for giggling at butterflies, and you don't hold it accountable if you give it a gun and someone gets hurt.
Simple as that.
"Only because a baby doesn't know right from wrong, a Professor doing work for the military should, people need to learn to be accountable for their own stupidity.
The kids could and probably are simply students who came to learn but they could easily be something more nefarious and this is why the rules are in place, the professor CHOSE to defy those rules and now he gets to be held accountable.Don't bring openness into this, the military went to an expert for help, he knew the rules going into it that this wasn't the land of lollipops and bubble gum, it isn't open to share with anyone he wants, he took a job with explicit rules and was stupid enough to ignore them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578575</id>
	<title>learn the lesson</title>
	<author>tbj61898</author>
	<datestamp>1246698000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are a bunch of things to think about here. I can't believe he ignored a security rule such that... so there must be something else.<br>
<br>
I see three main reasons:<br>
- he got money for that, thus making him a spy or a country traitor (and that's a bad thing)<br>
- he thought that such a project was too powerful for a single nation and thus shared it as much as possible, but that's difficult to believe and wouldn't solve anything<br>
- he wanted low-cost engineering help to get some extra-$ in the deal<br>
- he tought the rest of the world is just a suburb of US<br>
<br>
I can't believe this man to be just as 'stupid' as it seems!</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a bunch of things to think about here .
I ca n't believe he ignored a security rule such that... so there must be something else .
I see three main reasons : - he got money for that , thus making him a spy or a country traitor ( and that 's a bad thing ) - he thought that such a project was too powerful for a single nation and thus shared it as much as possible , but that 's difficult to believe and would n't solve anything - he wanted low-cost engineering help to get some extra- $ in the deal - he tought the rest of the world is just a suburb of US I ca n't believe this man to be just as 'stupid ' as it seems !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a bunch of things to think about here.
I can't believe he ignored a security rule such that... so there must be something else.
I see three main reasons:
- he got money for that, thus making him a spy or a country traitor (and that's a bad thing)
- he thought that such a project was too powerful for a single nation and thus shared it as much as possible, but that's difficult to believe and wouldn't solve anything
- he wanted low-cost engineering help to get some extra-$ in the deal
- he tought the rest of the world is just a suburb of US

I can't believe this man to be just as 'stupid' as it seems!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575087</id>
	<title>Plasma actuator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246615380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget the prison sentence, I want to learn about the "plasma actuator that could help reduce drag on the wings of drones". (This is a tech site, remember?) So, how do these work?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget the prison sentence , I want to learn about the " plasma actuator that could help reduce drag on the wings of drones " .
( This is a tech site , remember ?
) So , how do these work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget the prison sentence, I want to learn about the "plasma actuator that could help reduce drag on the wings of drones".
(This is a tech site, remember?
) So, how do these work?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28580219</id>
	<title>Re:Story missed the point..</title>
	<author>idlemachine</author>
	<datestamp>1246723440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm surprised to see slashdoters' knee jerk reactions to this story.</p></div><p>
Once you realise that most<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.er's implicitly prefix their response to every story with "I'm a genius and everyone else is a fucking moron, and here's why...", then it makes perfect sense.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised to see slashdoters ' knee jerk reactions to this story .
Once you realise that most /.er 's implicitly prefix their response to every story with " I 'm a genius and everyone else is a fucking moron , and here 's why... " , then it makes perfect sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised to see slashdoters' knee jerk reactions to this story.
Once you realise that most /.er's implicitly prefix their response to every story with "I'm a genius and everyone else is a fucking moron, and here's why...", then it makes perfect sense.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28581823</id>
	<title>Re:Plasma actuator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246736940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is a thesis on the topic, probably revealing more than that poor sod Roth did anyway...between this and the freely available references anyway.<br>http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-05212009-083918/unrestricted/Andrew\_Capers\_Thompson\_Thesis.pdf</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is a thesis on the topic , probably revealing more than that poor sod Roth did anyway...between this and the freely available references anyway.http : //scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-05212009-083918/unrestricted/Andrew \ _Capers \ _Thompson \ _Thesis.pdf</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is a thesis on the topic, probably revealing more than that poor sod Roth did anyway...between this and the freely available references anyway.http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/available/etd-05212009-083918/unrestricted/Andrew\_Capers\_Thompson\_Thesis.pdf</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28576949</id>
	<title>everyone already</title>
	<author>markringen</author>
	<datestamp>1246632720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>everyone already knows everything government contractors do, no idea is original.
it's just a sign of governmental stupidity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>everyone already knows everything government contractors do , no idea is original .
it 's just a sign of governmental stupidity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>everyone already knows everything government contractors do, no idea is original.
it's just a sign of governmental stupidity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575209</id>
	<title>Re:Plasma actuator</title>
	<author>Camaro</author>
	<datestamp>1246616340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd love to tell you but first of all, are you from China or Iran?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd love to tell you but first of all , are you from China or Iran ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd love to tell you but first of all, are you from China or Iran?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577897</id>
	<title>The forrunners are winning</title>
	<author>kanweg</author>
	<datestamp>1246644720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By sending two students abroad at minimal cost, without having to need any spy training (expensive), two countries unknowingly have managed to not only take out a professor by preventing him from doing further research, but also by steering away part of the federal budget for defence towards the justice system and to prisons. In effect this is a double whammy, slowing down development of evil stuff.</p><p>Bert<br>Who presumes that it is possible by finding Bin laden by listening for laughter from caves every time the TSA budget is published.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By sending two students abroad at minimal cost , without having to need any spy training ( expensive ) , two countries unknowingly have managed to not only take out a professor by preventing him from doing further research , but also by steering away part of the federal budget for defence towards the justice system and to prisons .
In effect this is a double whammy , slowing down development of evil stuff.BertWho presumes that it is possible by finding Bin laden by listening for laughter from caves every time the TSA budget is published .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By sending two students abroad at minimal cost, without having to need any spy training (expensive), two countries unknowingly have managed to not only take out a professor by preventing him from doing further research, but also by steering away part of the federal budget for defence towards the justice system and to prisons.
In effect this is a double whammy, slowing down development of evil stuff.BertWho presumes that it is possible by finding Bin laden by listening for laughter from caves every time the TSA budget is published.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575025</id>
	<title>Re:Not long enough</title>
	<author>SheeEttin</author>
	<datestamp>1246614900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>shear stupidity</p></div></blockquote><p>Maybe, but his haircut is irrelevant. This was just irresponsible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>shear stupidityMaybe , but his haircut is irrelevant .
This was just irresponsible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>shear stupidityMaybe, but his haircut is irrelevant.
This was just irresponsible.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575623</id>
	<title>Re:Guilty.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246619580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Possibly because 4 *years* in prison might be considered a tad, I don't know, excessive?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Possibly because 4 * years * in prison might be considered a tad , I do n't know , excessive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Possibly because 4 *years* in prison might be considered a tad, I don't know, excessive?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575049</id>
	<title>As a guy who works on this sort of stuff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246615080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not entirely surprised by either the sentence, or the seeming lack of security consciousness on the part of the professor and possibly his school. When working on defense-related work it's always best to treat sensitive material with the respect it deserves - in many cases there's no need to go overboard with encryption, physical security, or whatnot, but reasonable measures (e.g., not bringing the Goddamned laptop overseas) should always be taken.</p><p>However, from what I heard, the project Dr. Roth was working on wasn't entirely black-ops sort of stuff - he was merely integrating technology previously developed by himself (and others) under funding not remotely related to defense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not entirely surprised by either the sentence , or the seeming lack of security consciousness on the part of the professor and possibly his school .
When working on defense-related work it 's always best to treat sensitive material with the respect it deserves - in many cases there 's no need to go overboard with encryption , physical security , or whatnot , but reasonable measures ( e.g. , not bringing the Goddamned laptop overseas ) should always be taken.However , from what I heard , the project Dr. Roth was working on was n't entirely black-ops sort of stuff - he was merely integrating technology previously developed by himself ( and others ) under funding not remotely related to defense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not entirely surprised by either the sentence, or the seeming lack of security consciousness on the part of the professor and possibly his school.
When working on defense-related work it's always best to treat sensitive material with the respect it deserves - in many cases there's no need to go overboard with encryption, physical security, or whatnot, but reasonable measures (e.g., not bringing the Goddamned laptop overseas) should always be taken.However, from what I heard, the project Dr. Roth was working on wasn't entirely black-ops sort of stuff - he was merely integrating technology previously developed by himself (and others) under funding not remotely related to defense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28578193</id>
	<title>Re:Antithetical to "education".</title>
	<author>ahabswhale</author>
	<datestamp>1246648680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you blame everyone but the guy who broke the law? Brilliant.  So, if someone shoots and kills everyone in your family, your cool with him getting away with it scott free because he had a shitty childhood?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you blame everyone but the guy who broke the law ?
Brilliant. So , if someone shoots and kills everyone in your family , your cool with him getting away with it scott free because he had a shitty childhood ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you blame everyone but the guy who broke the law?
Brilliant.  So, if someone shoots and kills everyone in your family, your cool with him getting away with it scott free because he had a shitty childhood?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577993</id>
	<title>Re:I Wasn't Bothered By The Guy's Sentence...</title>
	<author>greyhueofdoubt</author>
	<datestamp>1246645920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really hate to do this but I wrote a response to your very question earlier in this discussion and I feel like you should read it:</p><p><a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1291249&amp;cid=28577863" title="slashdot.org">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1291249&amp;cid=28577863</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>Long story short: There is a big difference between finding something on the internet and hearing someone in the DoD say it as a fact.</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hate to do this but I wrote a response to your very question earlier in this discussion and I feel like you should read it : http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1291249&amp;cid = 28577863 [ slashdot.org ] Long story short : There is a big difference between finding something on the internet and hearing someone in the DoD say it as a fact.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hate to do this but I wrote a response to your very question earlier in this discussion and I feel like you should read it:http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1291249&amp;cid=28577863 [slashdot.org]Long story short: There is a big difference between finding something on the internet and hearing someone in the DoD say it as a fact.-b</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28574943</id>
	<title>Not long enough</title>
	<author>m509272</author>
	<datestamp>1246614300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Should have been 40 years, idiot.  Just bringing the laptop to China is shear stupidity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should have been 40 years , idiot .
Just bringing the laptop to China is shear stupidity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should have been 40 years, idiot.
Just bringing the laptop to China is shear stupidity.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575461</id>
	<title>Life or Death...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246618320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>At the very least he should have received a life sentence. In reality he should have received the death penalty. This is straight up treason of the highest order. The guy was warned not to work on it with the students in question, not to mention he was warned not to take the laptop to china with the sensitive information on it.

Some may feel like this is an over reaction but in reality its an under reaction.</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the very least he should have received a life sentence .
In reality he should have received the death penalty .
This is straight up treason of the highest order .
The guy was warned not to work on it with the students in question , not to mention he was warned not to take the laptop to china with the sensitive information on it .
Some may feel like this is an over reaction but in reality its an under reaction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the very least he should have received a life sentence.
In reality he should have received the death penalty.
This is straight up treason of the highest order.
The guy was warned not to work on it with the students in question, not to mention he was warned not to take the laptop to china with the sensitive information on it.
Some may feel like this is an over reaction but in reality its an under reaction.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575757</id>
	<title>Re:American Engineering Research == Foreign Studen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246620720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IMHO, a bigger problem is that some people think you need a PhD to do engineering research...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IMHO , a bigger problem is that some people think you need a PhD to do engineering research.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IMHO, a bigger problem is that some people think you need a PhD to do engineering research...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575227</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575159</id>
	<title>Not interesting.</title>
	<author>CougMerrik</author>
	<datestamp>1246615860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When you accept work that requires government clearance, you are subject to a number of rules regarding the export of technology and know-how that is of importance to National Security.  You're probably told repeatedly about such things.  Sorry, I don't want the Iranians making their own UAVs off our designs.  Guy's an idiot for taking sensitive material overseas in his laptop in the first place.

Military and Defense technology isn't something we should be "open" about when there's real regimes out there who don't believe in the same freedoms and basic human rights we take for granted.  Crap like this is why we the Russians got the bomb, why the North Koreans have the bomb, etc...  Why would you be in favor of these places that don't prize freedom or equality getting their hands on this stuff?</htmltext>
<tokenext>When you accept work that requires government clearance , you are subject to a number of rules regarding the export of technology and know-how that is of importance to National Security .
You 're probably told repeatedly about such things .
Sorry , I do n't want the Iranians making their own UAVs off our designs .
Guy 's an idiot for taking sensitive material overseas in his laptop in the first place .
Military and Defense technology is n't something we should be " open " about when there 's real regimes out there who do n't believe in the same freedoms and basic human rights we take for granted .
Crap like this is why we the Russians got the bomb , why the North Koreans have the bomb , etc... Why would you be in favor of these places that do n't prize freedom or equality getting their hands on this stuff ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you accept work that requires government clearance, you are subject to a number of rules regarding the export of technology and know-how that is of importance to National Security.
You're probably told repeatedly about such things.
Sorry, I don't want the Iranians making their own UAVs off our designs.
Guy's an idiot for taking sensitive material overseas in his laptop in the first place.
Military and Defense technology isn't something we should be "open" about when there's real regimes out there who don't believe in the same freedoms and basic human rights we take for granted.
Crap like this is why we the Russians got the bomb, why the North Koreans have the bomb, etc...  Why would you be in favor of these places that don't prize freedom or equality getting their hands on this stuff?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575499</id>
	<title>Re:I Wasn't Bothered By The Guy's Sentence...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246618620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is some truth in what you say, but the devil, as they say, is in the details. There is usually a wide breach between concept and working implementation. However, it seems likely that the shared information was not details of the plasma actuator, but details about information not developed in his lab - say for the UAVs they were working on...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is some truth in what you say , but the devil , as they say , is in the details .
There is usually a wide breach between concept and working implementation .
However , it seems likely that the shared information was not details of the plasma actuator , but details about information not developed in his lab - say for the UAVs they were working on.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is some truth in what you say, but the devil, as they say, is in the details.
There is usually a wide breach between concept and working implementation.
However, it seems likely that the shared information was not details of the plasma actuator, but details about information not developed in his lab - say for the UAVs they were working on...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28575243</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1721230.28577601</id>
	<title>Now You Know: There Is No "Right" To Export</title>
	<author>cmholm</author>
	<datestamp>1246641120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For starters, the good professor is an idiot. He has worked on DoD contracts, and either knew or should have known that from the moment he started developing on the DoD's dime, any technology he dealt in not already a standard part of a BSEE/CS/Chem/Physics degree program in the US was going to be suspect under <a href="http://www.pmddtc.state.gov/regulations\_laws/itar\_official.html" title="state.gov">ITAR</a> [state.gov].</p><p>In addition, the import and export of <i>any</i> commercial item is subject to review under the <a href="http://www.bis.doc.gov/licensing/exportingbasics.htm" title="doc.gov">Export Administration Regulations</a> [doc.gov] of the DoC. And, as Dr. Roth is being reminded the hard way, "export" can occur the moment a foreign national or domestic agent of a foreign nation groks your IP.</p><p>You may not agree with the law as it stands, but the Federal Government is on very strong Constitutional ground with respect to whatever border controls it chooses to enact. So, your options are: 1) follow the laws, 2) not follow the laws, and/or 3) bug your representatives to change the law. You can select (2), and many do, but it's kind of like not paying your income taxes for a few years: it sucks big time when you get caught.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For starters , the good professor is an idiot .
He has worked on DoD contracts , and either knew or should have known that from the moment he started developing on the DoD 's dime , any technology he dealt in not already a standard part of a BSEE/CS/Chem/Physics degree program in the US was going to be suspect under ITAR [ state.gov ] .In addition , the import and export of any commercial item is subject to review under the Export Administration Regulations [ doc.gov ] of the DoC .
And , as Dr. Roth is being reminded the hard way , " export " can occur the moment a foreign national or domestic agent of a foreign nation groks your IP.You may not agree with the law as it stands , but the Federal Government is on very strong Constitutional ground with respect to whatever border controls it chooses to enact .
So , your options are : 1 ) follow the laws , 2 ) not follow the laws , and/or 3 ) bug your representatives to change the law .
You can select ( 2 ) , and many do , but it 's kind of like not paying your income taxes for a few years : it sucks big time when you get caught .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For starters, the good professor is an idiot.
He has worked on DoD contracts, and either knew or should have known that from the moment he started developing on the DoD's dime, any technology he dealt in not already a standard part of a BSEE/CS/Chem/Physics degree program in the US was going to be suspect under ITAR [state.gov].In addition, the import and export of any commercial item is subject to review under the Export Administration Regulations [doc.gov] of the DoC.
And, as Dr. Roth is being reminded the hard way, "export" can occur the moment a foreign national or domestic agent of a foreign nation groks your IP.You may not agree with the law as it stands, but the Federal Government is on very strong Constitutional ground with respect to whatever border controls it chooses to enact.
So, your options are: 1) follow the laws, 2) not follow the laws, and/or 3) bug your representatives to change the law.
You can select (2), and many do, but it's kind of like not paying your income taxes for a few years: it sucks big time when you get caught.</sentencetext>
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