<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_03_1548247</id>
	<title>Is the Kindle DX Worth the Money?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1246638000000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Now that some little time has passed, and the hype has died down a bit, I'm wondering if anyone has taken the $500 plunge and gotten a Kindle DX.  From the academic-paper-reading-geek perspective, is it worth the money?  How well does it work with PDFs, and is it easy to get them on and off?  I haven't been able to find any good reviews on the interweb that address its usability as I would like to use it."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Now that some little time has passed , and the hype has died down a bit , I 'm wondering if anyone has taken the $ 500 plunge and gotten a Kindle DX .
From the academic-paper-reading-geek perspective , is it worth the money ?
How well does it work with PDFs , and is it easy to get them on and off ?
I have n't been able to find any good reviews on the interweb that address its usability as I would like to use it .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Now that some little time has passed, and the hype has died down a bit, I'm wondering if anyone has taken the $500 plunge and gotten a Kindle DX.
From the academic-paper-reading-geek perspective, is it worth the money?
How well does it work with PDFs, and is it easy to get them on and off?
I haven't been able to find any good reviews on the interweb that address its usability as I would like to use it.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572643</id>
	<title>Skip until cheaper/better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246641900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really - the screen is only a bit bigger than the regular Kindle, doesn't handle PDF's very well (i.e. keeps all of the white space around the edge of docs) and offers no ability to annotate. I am waiting for ePaper products to get considerably cheaper and get something with specs similar to the iRex Digital Reader 1000S. I also find that for just fiction reading, I tend to do better with a smaller, narrower screen rather than a large screen with small font.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really - the screen is only a bit bigger than the regular Kindle , does n't handle PDF 's very well ( i.e .
keeps all of the white space around the edge of docs ) and offers no ability to annotate .
I am waiting for ePaper products to get considerably cheaper and get something with specs similar to the iRex Digital Reader 1000S .
I also find that for just fiction reading , I tend to do better with a smaller , narrower screen rather than a large screen with small font .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really - the screen is only a bit bigger than the regular Kindle, doesn't handle PDF's very well (i.e.
keeps all of the white space around the edge of docs) and offers no ability to annotate.
I am waiting for ePaper products to get considerably cheaper and get something with specs similar to the iRex Digital Reader 1000S.
I also find that for just fiction reading, I tend to do better with a smaller, narrower screen rather than a large screen with small font.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574997</id>
	<title>Sony finally got it</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1246614660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing about the Kindle and the earlier Sony reader is there's a lot of space taken up by stuff that's not screen.  To me, that's a problem.  I want my e-book to be as much screen as possible, tempered only by the fact that I have to hold it.  The REB-1100 (RocketBook successor) is good for this.  You've got a handle with two buttons (page forward and back), and the rest is a touch screen.  The newer Sony looks like they may have the right idea as well, but I've not seen one in person.  I really like the REB-1100, but it has some flaws -- the big one is a black-and-white low resolution screen.  But IMO $350 is too much for a reader.</p><p>Contrary to popular opinion, e-ink isn't the only way to get a screen readable in direct sunlight.  The REB-1100 has a screen which can be used either backlit or reflective, so it's readable indoors or out.  I think this is part of what limits it to 1-bit depth though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing about the Kindle and the earlier Sony reader is there 's a lot of space taken up by stuff that 's not screen .
To me , that 's a problem .
I want my e-book to be as much screen as possible , tempered only by the fact that I have to hold it .
The REB-1100 ( RocketBook successor ) is good for this .
You 've got a handle with two buttons ( page forward and back ) , and the rest is a touch screen .
The newer Sony looks like they may have the right idea as well , but I 've not seen one in person .
I really like the REB-1100 , but it has some flaws -- the big one is a black-and-white low resolution screen .
But IMO $ 350 is too much for a reader.Contrary to popular opinion , e-ink is n't the only way to get a screen readable in direct sunlight .
The REB-1100 has a screen which can be used either backlit or reflective , so it 's readable indoors or out .
I think this is part of what limits it to 1-bit depth though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing about the Kindle and the earlier Sony reader is there's a lot of space taken up by stuff that's not screen.
To me, that's a problem.
I want my e-book to be as much screen as possible, tempered only by the fact that I have to hold it.
The REB-1100 (RocketBook successor) is good for this.
You've got a handle with two buttons (page forward and back), and the rest is a touch screen.
The newer Sony looks like they may have the right idea as well, but I've not seen one in person.
I really like the REB-1100, but it has some flaws -- the big one is a black-and-white low resolution screen.
But IMO $350 is too much for a reader.Contrary to popular opinion, e-ink isn't the only way to get a screen readable in direct sunlight.
The REB-1100 has a screen which can be used either backlit or reflective, so it's readable indoors or out.
I think this is part of what limits it to 1-bit depth though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573987</id>
	<title>Simple answer: No (I returned mine)</title>
	<author>erleellis</author>
	<datestamp>1246650360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>From one academic-paper-reading-geek to another: Don't waste your time with the Kindle DX.

I am a professor and did order one- with very high hopes of going beyond paper!

To warn others, I also posted a review of my experience with the Kindle DX on my blog:
<a href="http://ecotope.org/blogs/post/Kindle-DX-Not-ready-for-Academic-users.aspx" title="ecotope.org" rel="nofollow">http://ecotope.org/blogs/post/Kindle-DX-Not-ready-for-Academic-users.aspx</a> [ecotope.org]

But there was no way to really use the thing the way you need to if you are an academic-paper-reading-geek!

I returned it after about a week.  Maybe next year there will be a machine with the right stuff!  I hope so!</htmltext>
<tokenext>From one academic-paper-reading-geek to another : Do n't waste your time with the Kindle DX .
I am a professor and did order one- with very high hopes of going beyond paper !
To warn others , I also posted a review of my experience with the Kindle DX on my blog : http : //ecotope.org/blogs/post/Kindle-DX-Not-ready-for-Academic-users.aspx [ ecotope.org ] But there was no way to really use the thing the way you need to if you are an academic-paper-reading-geek !
I returned it after about a week .
Maybe next year there will be a machine with the right stuff !
I hope so !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From one academic-paper-reading-geek to another: Don't waste your time with the Kindle DX.
I am a professor and did order one- with very high hopes of going beyond paper!
To warn others, I also posted a review of my experience with the Kindle DX on my blog:
http://ecotope.org/blogs/post/Kindle-DX-Not-ready-for-Academic-users.aspx [ecotope.org]

But there was no way to really use the thing the way you need to if you are an academic-paper-reading-geek!
I returned it after about a week.
Maybe next year there will be a machine with the right stuff!
I hope so!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573341</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>ucblockhead</author>
	<datestamp>1246646040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the Kindle isn't a laptop.</p><p>It's like saying that an iPod is stupid because your laptop can hold the same number of songs.</p><p>(You can also transfer Gutenberg books to the Kindle just fine.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the Kindle is n't a laptop.It 's like saying that an iPod is stupid because your laptop can hold the same number of songs .
( You can also transfer Gutenberg books to the Kindle just fine .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the Kindle isn't a laptop.It's like saying that an iPod is stupid because your laptop can hold the same number of songs.
(You can also transfer Gutenberg books to the Kindle just fine.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573643</id>
	<title>Works great for commercial catalogs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246647960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought a Kindle DX for reading and searching a large collection of commercial catalogs in PDF format.</p><p>It's just a bit slow with lots of graphics but otherwise clearly the future for commercial catalog and technical documents.</p><p>What catalog publishers need is software that puts out their existing catalogs in a Kindle optimized format.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a Kindle DX for reading and searching a large collection of commercial catalogs in PDF format.It 's just a bit slow with lots of graphics but otherwise clearly the future for commercial catalog and technical documents.What catalog publishers need is software that puts out their existing catalogs in a Kindle optimized format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a Kindle DX for reading and searching a large collection of commercial catalogs in PDF format.It's just a bit slow with lots of graphics but otherwise clearly the future for commercial catalog and technical documents.What catalog publishers need is software that puts out their existing catalogs in a Kindle optimized format.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28577199</id>
	<title>Custom firmware project?</title>
	<author>jayegirl</author>
	<datestamp>1246636320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a lot of the above comments, the primary source of dissatisfaction seems to be the firmware. Given that Amazon is doing firmware updates over the air, writing custom firmware should be possible without even having to crack the device. Anyone have any data in this regard? What does the Amazon EULA have to say?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a lot of the above comments , the primary source of dissatisfaction seems to be the firmware .
Given that Amazon is doing firmware updates over the air , writing custom firmware should be possible without even having to crack the device .
Anyone have any data in this regard ?
What does the Amazon EULA have to say ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a lot of the above comments, the primary source of dissatisfaction seems to be the firmware.
Given that Amazon is doing firmware updates over the air, writing custom firmware should be possible without even having to crack the device.
Anyone have any data in this regard?
What does the Amazon EULA have to say?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573841</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>refitman</author>
	<datestamp>1246649340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Screw the Kindle 2. The ability to buy the first version in the UK would be a start!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw the Kindle 2 .
The ability to buy the first version in the UK would be a start !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw the Kindle 2.
The ability to buy the first version in the UK would be a start!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572695</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572691</id>
	<title>Maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246642140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got a kindle DX as a gift, and i absolutely love it. PDFs can be transferred to/from it extremely easy, just plug it in via usb and drag and drop. My biggest gripe about the PDF support is that you have no control over the font size, as you do with the books you purchase through Amazon, nor can you use the search function or the inline dictionary. But PDFs are still easy to read on the device, and I much prefer it to reading them on my computer screen.</p><p>I am a poor college student though, so if it weren't a gift I probably would have bought a netbook and saved myself some money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got a kindle DX as a gift , and i absolutely love it .
PDFs can be transferred to/from it extremely easy , just plug it in via usb and drag and drop .
My biggest gripe about the PDF support is that you have no control over the font size , as you do with the books you purchase through Amazon , nor can you use the search function or the inline dictionary .
But PDFs are still easy to read on the device , and I much prefer it to reading them on my computer screen.I am a poor college student though , so if it were n't a gift I probably would have bought a netbook and saved myself some money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got a kindle DX as a gift, and i absolutely love it.
PDFs can be transferred to/from it extremely easy, just plug it in via usb and drag and drop.
My biggest gripe about the PDF support is that you have no control over the font size, as you do with the books you purchase through Amazon, nor can you use the search function or the inline dictionary.
But PDFs are still easy to read on the device, and I much prefer it to reading them on my computer screen.I am a poor college student though, so if it weren't a gift I probably would have bought a netbook and saved myself some money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572619</id>
	<title>Dumbfuck Mods</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246641780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me, or does nonsensical bullshit get modded up, while the truth gets modded down.</p><p>Slashdot is a circlejerk of bullshit, with retarded moderators modding up garbage, and modding down reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me , or does nonsensical bullshit get modded up , while the truth gets modded down.Slashdot is a circlejerk of bullshit , with retarded moderators modding up garbage , and modding down reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me, or does nonsensical bullshit get modded up, while the truth gets modded down.Slashdot is a circlejerk of bullshit, with retarded moderators modding up garbage, and modding down reality.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28576895</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>skoda</author>
	<datestamp>1246631880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, a wifi-equipped laptop can be had for less than $400, and with a 15" screen and decent internet access, why would someone want a limited, single-purpose crippled cellphone such as a you buy for $50 at Verizon?</p><p>Seriously, a hammer can be had for less than $10 and can effectively pound a fastener through any amount of wood? Why would someone want a limited, overpriced drill?</p><p>You buy the tool best suited for the job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , a wifi-equipped laptop can be had for less than $ 400 , and with a 15 " screen and decent internet access , why would someone want a limited , single-purpose crippled cellphone such as a you buy for $ 50 at Verizon ? Seriously , a hammer can be had for less than $ 10 and can effectively pound a fastener through any amount of wood ?
Why would someone want a limited , overpriced drill ? You buy the tool best suited for the job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, a wifi-equipped laptop can be had for less than $400, and with a 15" screen and decent internet access, why would someone want a limited, single-purpose crippled cellphone such as a you buy for $50 at Verizon?Seriously, a hammer can be had for less than $10 and can effectively pound a fastener through any amount of wood?
Why would someone want a limited, overpriced drill?You buy the tool best suited for the job.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572695</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28575453</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>RocketRabbit</author>
	<datestamp>1246618260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are many laptops out now that are not much larger than the Kindle DX, and the PDFs you have on them will not decide to shit out on you one day (unless the drive does!).</p><p>Kindle is a ripoff.  Maybe, if they included say, 100 free book downloads of your choice in the cost, it'd be worth it.  But many of the books available on the Kindle cost more than than the real deal!</p><p>Sorry, Amazon.  Until the Kindle's books are say, in the $0.99-$5 (for new releases!) range you will lose.</p><p>$500 indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are many laptops out now that are not much larger than the Kindle DX , and the PDFs you have on them will not decide to shit out on you one day ( unless the drive does !
) .Kindle is a ripoff .
Maybe , if they included say , 100 free book downloads of your choice in the cost , it 'd be worth it .
But many of the books available on the Kindle cost more than than the real deal ! Sorry , Amazon .
Until the Kindle 's books are say , in the $ 0.99- $ 5 ( for new releases !
) range you will lose. $ 500 indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are many laptops out now that are not much larger than the Kindle DX, and the PDFs you have on them will not decide to shit out on you one day (unless the drive does!
).Kindle is a ripoff.
Maybe, if they included say, 100 free book downloads of your choice in the cost, it'd be worth it.
But many of the books available on the Kindle cost more than than the real deal!Sorry, Amazon.
Until the Kindle's books are say, in the $0.99-$5 (for new releases!
) range you will lose.$500 indeed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572837</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573093</id>
	<title>Isn't the point that you can get published works?</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1246644420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the kindle?</p><p>whereas the only way to do that on the others is to illegally copy published works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the kindle ? whereas the only way to do that on the others is to illegally copy published works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the kindle?whereas the only way to do that on the others is to illegally copy published works.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572695</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574743</id>
	<title>you are mistaken bout it's capabilities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246613100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it doesn't have it's own proprietary format, it uses the same format the the palm uses. several other book readers use it, so if anything amazon should be praised for selecting one of the more common formats.</p><p>there are many converters out there that will convert things to this format.</p><p>it is very happy using unencrypted, no DRM documents. you can get them on the kindle either over wispernet (e-mail them to the kindle for 0.15 or so per MB), or via USB</p><p>for that matter, I've read that the DRM that the kindle uses on the books they sell you has long since been brokern, and there are tools available that will strip out the DRM, leaving the document otherwise untouched.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it does n't have it 's own proprietary format , it uses the same format the the palm uses .
several other book readers use it , so if anything amazon should be praised for selecting one of the more common formats.there are many converters out there that will convert things to this format.it is very happy using unencrypted , no DRM documents .
you can get them on the kindle either over wispernet ( e-mail them to the kindle for 0.15 or so per MB ) , or via USBfor that matter , I 've read that the DRM that the kindle uses on the books they sell you has long since been brokern , and there are tools available that will strip out the DRM , leaving the document otherwise untouched .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it doesn't have it's own proprietary format, it uses the same format the the palm uses.
several other book readers use it, so if anything amazon should be praised for selecting one of the more common formats.there are many converters out there that will convert things to this format.it is very happy using unencrypted, no DRM documents.
you can get them on the kindle either over wispernet (e-mail them to the kindle for 0.15 or so per MB), or via USBfor that matter, I've read that the DRM that the kindle uses on the books they sell you has long since been brokern, and there are tools available that will strip out the DRM, leaving the document otherwise untouched.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28593735</id>
	<title>Re:Skip until cheaper/better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246891020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The screen is "only a bit bigger?"</p><p>The Entire Kindle2 fits within the screen of the DX.  It's about 2.5 times larger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The screen is " only a bit bigger ?
" The Entire Kindle2 fits within the screen of the DX .
It 's about 2.5 times larger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The screen is "only a bit bigger?
"The Entire Kindle2 fits within the screen of the DX.
It's about 2.5 times larger.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573111</id>
	<title>I like mine</title>
	<author>Brian Stretch</author>
	<datestamp>1246644600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Loading PDFs is trivial.  The DX shows up as a standard USB flash drive, allowing you to drag and drop files into its Documents directory from any modern OS.</p><p>PDFs display well, though you'll want to turn the DX on its side to more closely approximate the width of a printed page.  The DX can't reflow PDF text like it can with standard Kindle books.  It became very obvious why Amazon didn't bother with PDF support on their smaller Kindles.  <a href="http://www.pragprog.com/" title="pragprog.com">Pragmatic Programmers</a> [pragprog.com] offers their eBooks in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mobi format, so I redownloaded my existing library and copied the files over USB.  Serious props to Pragmatic for being so... pragmatic.  <a href="http://www.manning.com/" title="manning.com">Manning's</a> [manning.com] PDF books display well.  O'Reilly, OTOH, adds huge and extremely obnoxious copyright headers and footers to their Safari PDF downloads that results in the actual book page being shrunk to a small illegible island in the middle of the screen.  I've complained to O'Reilly about this, no word back yet.  Outside of that inexplicable piece of design dysfunction every PDF I've thrown at the DX has worked well.</p><p>If you have trouble with eye strain like I do (<a href="http://www.convergenceinsufficiency.org/" title="convergenc...ciency.org">Convergence Insufficiency</a> [convergenc...ciency.org], use the website to direct you to a clueful optometrist if you have trouble staying focused while reading or have vaguely ADD-like symptoms), the non-backlit Kindle screen is VERY nice.  It's at least as easy on my eyes as paper, if not moreso due to the font flexibility.</p><p>You will want the Mighty Bright LED reading light Amazon recommends (requires 3 AAA batteries, not included), as well as the protective leather cover that Amazon should have included and you'll feel like a schmuck paying $50 for.</p><p>The Sprint-driven Whispernet wireless service is excellent.  Being able to receive free book samples, read them, then purchase the full book from wherever I am (so long as I don't stray too far from civilization) is dangerously convenient.</p><p>I've very glad I waited for the DX over the smaller Kindle 2.  If you have the cash, or have simply given up on paying off your credit card, I highly recommend it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Loading PDFs is trivial .
The DX shows up as a standard USB flash drive , allowing you to drag and drop files into its Documents directory from any modern OS.PDFs display well , though you 'll want to turn the DX on its side to more closely approximate the width of a printed page .
The DX ca n't reflow PDF text like it can with standard Kindle books .
It became very obvious why Amazon did n't bother with PDF support on their smaller Kindles .
Pragmatic Programmers [ pragprog.com ] offers their eBooks in .mobi format , so I redownloaded my existing library and copied the files over USB .
Serious props to Pragmatic for being so... pragmatic. Manning 's [ manning.com ] PDF books display well .
O'Reilly , OTOH , adds huge and extremely obnoxious copyright headers and footers to their Safari PDF downloads that results in the actual book page being shrunk to a small illegible island in the middle of the screen .
I 've complained to O'Reilly about this , no word back yet .
Outside of that inexplicable piece of design dysfunction every PDF I 've thrown at the DX has worked well.If you have trouble with eye strain like I do ( Convergence Insufficiency [ convergenc...ciency.org ] , use the website to direct you to a clueful optometrist if you have trouble staying focused while reading or have vaguely ADD-like symptoms ) , the non-backlit Kindle screen is VERY nice .
It 's at least as easy on my eyes as paper , if not moreso due to the font flexibility.You will want the Mighty Bright LED reading light Amazon recommends ( requires 3 AAA batteries , not included ) , as well as the protective leather cover that Amazon should have included and you 'll feel like a schmuck paying $ 50 for.The Sprint-driven Whispernet wireless service is excellent .
Being able to receive free book samples , read them , then purchase the full book from wherever I am ( so long as I do n't stray too far from civilization ) is dangerously convenient.I 've very glad I waited for the DX over the smaller Kindle 2 .
If you have the cash , or have simply given up on paying off your credit card , I highly recommend it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Loading PDFs is trivial.
The DX shows up as a standard USB flash drive, allowing you to drag and drop files into its Documents directory from any modern OS.PDFs display well, though you'll want to turn the DX on its side to more closely approximate the width of a printed page.
The DX can't reflow PDF text like it can with standard Kindle books.
It became very obvious why Amazon didn't bother with PDF support on their smaller Kindles.
Pragmatic Programmers [pragprog.com] offers their eBooks in .mobi format, so I redownloaded my existing library and copied the files over USB.
Serious props to Pragmatic for being so... pragmatic.  Manning's [manning.com] PDF books display well.
O'Reilly, OTOH, adds huge and extremely obnoxious copyright headers and footers to their Safari PDF downloads that results in the actual book page being shrunk to a small illegible island in the middle of the screen.
I've complained to O'Reilly about this, no word back yet.
Outside of that inexplicable piece of design dysfunction every PDF I've thrown at the DX has worked well.If you have trouble with eye strain like I do (Convergence Insufficiency [convergenc...ciency.org], use the website to direct you to a clueful optometrist if you have trouble staying focused while reading or have vaguely ADD-like symptoms), the non-backlit Kindle screen is VERY nice.
It's at least as easy on my eyes as paper, if not moreso due to the font flexibility.You will want the Mighty Bright LED reading light Amazon recommends (requires 3 AAA batteries, not included), as well as the protective leather cover that Amazon should have included and you'll feel like a schmuck paying $50 for.The Sprint-driven Whispernet wireless service is excellent.
Being able to receive free book samples, read them, then purchase the full book from wherever I am (so long as I don't stray too far from civilization) is dangerously convenient.I've very glad I waited for the DX over the smaller Kindle 2.
If you have the cash, or have simply given up on paying off your credit card, I highly recommend it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28578027</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe</title>
	<author>ahabswhale</author>
	<datestamp>1246646460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The DX supports PDF natively.  Why don't you learn about the device before you talk about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The DX supports PDF natively .
Why do n't you learn about the device before you talk about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The DX supports PDF natively.
Why don't you learn about the device before you talk about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574893</id>
	<title>Re:Math PDFs</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1246614000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't think the screen is as readable as the PRS505's</p></div><p>It's slightly lower DPI, but otherwise seems to be the same. There haven't been any production eInk screens with more gray gradations or higher DPI than on PRS-505 or the older Kindle so far.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think the screen is as readable as the PRS505'sIt 's slightly lower DPI , but otherwise seems to be the same .
There have n't been any production eInk screens with more gray gradations or higher DPI than on PRS-505 or the older Kindle so far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think the screen is as readable as the PRS505'sIt's slightly lower DPI, but otherwise seems to be the same.
There haven't been any production eInk screens with more gray gradations or higher DPI than on PRS-505 or the older Kindle so far.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574681</id>
	<title>No, it's not worth the money</title>
	<author>melted</author>
	<datestamp>1246612560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And it won't be worth the money even if it give it away for free until:</p><p>1. I can resell a book on the secondary market (i.e. it gets removed from my Kindle and loaded onto somebody else's.<br>2. I can have only one account with access to all purchased books and newspaper subscriptions for the entire family.<br>3. Don't have my book access depend on whether my Amazon account is active (i.e. Amazon cancels my account and I can't read my books anymore).<br>4. I can loan a book to a friend. It's OK if it gets disabled on my Kindle for as long as it's "borrowed".<br>5. Can return a book to Amazon if I don't like it.<br>6. Can borrow books from the library with it.</p><p>Hear that, Jeff? Get cracking on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it wo n't be worth the money even if it give it away for free until : 1 .
I can resell a book on the secondary market ( i.e .
it gets removed from my Kindle and loaded onto somebody else 's.2 .
I can have only one account with access to all purchased books and newspaper subscriptions for the entire family.3 .
Do n't have my book access depend on whether my Amazon account is active ( i.e .
Amazon cancels my account and I ca n't read my books anymore ) .4 .
I can loan a book to a friend .
It 's OK if it gets disabled on my Kindle for as long as it 's " borrowed " .5 .
Can return a book to Amazon if I do n't like it.6 .
Can borrow books from the library with it.Hear that , Jeff ?
Get cracking on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it won't be worth the money even if it give it away for free until:1.
I can resell a book on the secondary market (i.e.
it gets removed from my Kindle and loaded onto somebody else's.2.
I can have only one account with access to all purchased books and newspaper subscriptions for the entire family.3.
Don't have my book access depend on whether my Amazon account is active (i.e.
Amazon cancels my account and I can't read my books anymore).4.
I can loan a book to a friend.
It's OK if it gets disabled on my Kindle for as long as it's "borrowed".5.
Can return a book to Amazon if I don't like it.6.
Can borrow books from the library with it.Hear that, Jeff?
Get cracking on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572665</id>
	<title>See new screens from OLPC's Mary Lou</title>
	<author>dowdle</author>
	<datestamp>1246642020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Have you seen the videos on <a href="http://www.oplc.tv/" title="www.oplc.tv" rel="nofollow">oplc.tv</a> [www.oplc.tv] of the new screen technology coming?

Much cheaper and better... no special materials or new manufacturing facilities needed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you seen the videos on oplc.tv [ www.oplc.tv ] of the new screen technology coming ?
Much cheaper and better... no special materials or new manufacturing facilities needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you seen the videos on oplc.tv [www.oplc.tv] of the new screen technology coming?
Much cheaper and better... no special materials or new manufacturing facilities needed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574815</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>nabsltd</author>
	<datestamp>1246613520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because a laptop battery doesn't last for two weeks.</p><p>Because a laptop doesn't have always-on, free Internet access.</p></div><p>I have to wonder how any device can have "always-on Internet access" and have a battery that lasts for two weeks.</p><p>With my Blackberry sitting in its holster, it uses zero power for the screen, so in that state it's just like a Kindle for power usage...only the cell connection is using any power.  It will only last about 4-5 days at most when in this state (which isn't actually uncommon for me, as it's not my cell phone...it's really only used to receive emergency system outage e-mails).</p><p>Admittedly, the Kindle can have a larger battery, so two weeks might not be a big deal, but we also hear people talking about <b>months</b> between charges on the Kindle.  That would have to be one hefty battery.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because a laptop battery does n't last for two weeks.Because a laptop does n't have always-on , free Internet access.I have to wonder how any device can have " always-on Internet access " and have a battery that lasts for two weeks.With my Blackberry sitting in its holster , it uses zero power for the screen , so in that state it 's just like a Kindle for power usage...only the cell connection is using any power .
It will only last about 4-5 days at most when in this state ( which is n't actually uncommon for me , as it 's not my cell phone...it 's really only used to receive emergency system outage e-mails ) .Admittedly , the Kindle can have a larger battery , so two weeks might not be a big deal , but we also hear people talking about months between charges on the Kindle .
That would have to be one hefty battery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because a laptop battery doesn't last for two weeks.Because a laptop doesn't have always-on, free Internet access.I have to wonder how any device can have "always-on Internet access" and have a battery that lasts for two weeks.With my Blackberry sitting in its holster, it uses zero power for the screen, so in that state it's just like a Kindle for power usage...only the cell connection is using any power.
It will only last about 4-5 days at most when in this state (which isn't actually uncommon for me, as it's not my cell phone...it's really only used to receive emergency system outage e-mails).Admittedly, the Kindle can have a larger battery, so two weeks might not be a big deal, but we also hear people talking about months between charges on the Kindle.
That would have to be one hefty battery.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28577595</id>
	<title>DX owner, electrical engineer -- use it, love it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246641000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got my Kindle the day after it launched. I absolutely love it! The best part about it, and the reason I was willing to blow $600 on the thing is full-page PDF support. As an electrical engineer, I have to read *tons* of parts data sheets. Before, if I wanted to take them somewhere to work on... (lunch, anybody?)... I'd kill a tree printing things off. Now I take the Kindle and a notebook.</p><p>There's no special software -- before lunch, I plug the Kindle in, drop some PDFs onto it like a USB thumb drive, unplug and go. Couldn't be simpler.</p><p>Admittedly, some of the lower-quality data sheets are a problem. For some, I find that you have to zoom in beyond 100\% in Acrobat Reader anyway, and since the Kindle doesn't zoom, those figures aren't legible. I don't think that's terribly bad, though, because if it were printed, it would be microscopic anyway, and this whole ebook thing is about replacing paper, right?</p><p>If the PDFs that you want to read were reasonably well-authored, I'd say go for it! (an example of a well-authored PDF: http://cds.linear.com/docs/Datasheet/3558.pdf )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got my Kindle the day after it launched .
I absolutely love it !
The best part about it , and the reason I was willing to blow $ 600 on the thing is full-page PDF support .
As an electrical engineer , I have to read * tons * of parts data sheets .
Before , if I wanted to take them somewhere to work on... ( lunch , anybody ? ) .. .
I 'd kill a tree printing things off .
Now I take the Kindle and a notebook.There 's no special software -- before lunch , I plug the Kindle in , drop some PDFs onto it like a USB thumb drive , unplug and go .
Could n't be simpler.Admittedly , some of the lower-quality data sheets are a problem .
For some , I find that you have to zoom in beyond 100 \ % in Acrobat Reader anyway , and since the Kindle does n't zoom , those figures are n't legible .
I do n't think that 's terribly bad , though , because if it were printed , it would be microscopic anyway , and this whole ebook thing is about replacing paper , right ? If the PDFs that you want to read were reasonably well-authored , I 'd say go for it !
( an example of a well-authored PDF : http : //cds.linear.com/docs/Datasheet/3558.pdf )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got my Kindle the day after it launched.
I absolutely love it!
The best part about it, and the reason I was willing to blow $600 on the thing is full-page PDF support.
As an electrical engineer, I have to read *tons* of parts data sheets.
Before, if I wanted to take them somewhere to work on... (lunch, anybody?)...
I'd kill a tree printing things off.
Now I take the Kindle and a notebook.There's no special software -- before lunch, I plug the Kindle in, drop some PDFs onto it like a USB thumb drive, unplug and go.
Couldn't be simpler.Admittedly, some of the lower-quality data sheets are a problem.
For some, I find that you have to zoom in beyond 100\% in Acrobat Reader anyway, and since the Kindle doesn't zoom, those figures aren't legible.
I don't think that's terribly bad, though, because if it were printed, it would be microscopic anyway, and this whole ebook thing is about replacing paper, right?If the PDFs that you want to read were reasonably well-authored, I'd say go for it!
(an example of a well-authored PDF: http://cds.linear.com/docs/Datasheet/3558.pdf )</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28578451</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Inconnux</author>
	<datestamp>1246739460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A cheap netbook is even smaller and still does 100x what the kindle does for far less.  I can't believe the price of a gadget that is basically a black and white text reader.  $50 max is what it is really worth</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A cheap netbook is even smaller and still does 100x what the kindle does for far less .
I ca n't believe the price of a gadget that is basically a black and white text reader .
$ 50 max is what it is really worth</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A cheap netbook is even smaller and still does 100x what the kindle does for far less.
I can't believe the price of a gadget that is basically a black and white text reader.
$50 max is what it is really worth</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574371</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Nutria</author>
	<datestamp>1246653420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>leave<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... one in the car</i></p><p>And if you leave an e-reader in the car (especially a dark-colored car, in the sun), Bad Things will happen to your really expensive gadget...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>leave ... one in the carAnd if you leave an e-reader in the car ( especially a dark-colored car , in the sun ) , Bad Things will happen to your really expensive gadget.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>leave ... one in the carAnd if you leave an e-reader in the car (especially a dark-colored car, in the sun), Bad Things will happen to your really expensive gadget...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574927</id>
	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1246614240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If I'm paying full whack for an e-reader I expect it to support all of the common book formats without prejudice.</p></div><p>It does just that.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>FFS even Sony (a company not exactly known for embracing standards) has a more open reader that costs less.</p></div><p>I have a Sony reader. Can you name one open format that it supports, but Kindle does not?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I 'm paying full whack for an e-reader I expect it to support all of the common book formats without prejudice.It does just that.FFS even Sony ( a company not exactly known for embracing standards ) has a more open reader that costs less.I have a Sony reader .
Can you name one open format that it supports , but Kindle does not ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I'm paying full whack for an e-reader I expect it to support all of the common book formats without prejudice.It does just that.FFS even Sony (a company not exactly known for embracing standards) has a more open reader that costs less.I have a Sony reader.
Can you name one open format that it supports, but Kindle does not?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28576325</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246626180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...I can read my laptop screen from any angle I could read a book from...  Might be time to move out of the year 2000.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...I can read my laptop screen from any angle I could read a book from... Might be time to move out of the year 2000 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I can read my laptop screen from any angle I could read a book from...  Might be time to move out of the year 2000.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28577237</id>
	<title>Re:I am happy with the DX, but it isn't for everyo</title>
	<author>Luke O'Connell</author>
	<datestamp>1246636800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thanks for that volsung, a really detailed post. I've been thinking about picking up a DX for a while now, so this article really got my attention. I really WANT one of these things, and am just trying to justify NEEDING one. It's a slow process, especially with a $500 price tag and no immediate availability, but I'll get there<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for that volsung , a really detailed post .
I 've been thinking about picking up a DX for a while now , so this article really got my attention .
I really WANT one of these things , and am just trying to justify NEEDING one .
It 's a slow process , especially with a $ 500 price tag and no immediate availability , but I 'll get there : ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for that volsung, a really detailed post.
I've been thinking about picking up a DX for a while now, so this article really got my attention.
I really WANT one of these things, and am just trying to justify NEEDING one.
It's a slow process, especially with a $500 price tag and no immediate availability, but I'll get there :).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572837</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246642860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Laptops don't have e-ink displays and are cumbersome. Laptop batteries are measured in hours, the average being 2-3 hours for a brand new battery, whereas ebook readers have a battery life measured in weeks or even months (try reading a 500 or even 300 page book in 2 hours). Breaking out a small ebook reader while cozied up in a chair is much easier than breaking out the laptop and trying to hold it in one hand.</p><p>Books take a lot of physical space and the contents are not quickly accessible. You can fit the contents of an entire bookstore on an ebook reader and you can perform text searches upon those ebooks with results returned in seconds. If I want to lend someone an ebook I simply email it to them. This means I can lend any book to anyone I know, anywhere in the world within seconds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Laptops do n't have e-ink displays and are cumbersome .
Laptop batteries are measured in hours , the average being 2-3 hours for a brand new battery , whereas ebook readers have a battery life measured in weeks or even months ( try reading a 500 or even 300 page book in 2 hours ) .
Breaking out a small ebook reader while cozied up in a chair is much easier than breaking out the laptop and trying to hold it in one hand.Books take a lot of physical space and the contents are not quickly accessible .
You can fit the contents of an entire bookstore on an ebook reader and you can perform text searches upon those ebooks with results returned in seconds .
If I want to lend someone an ebook I simply email it to them .
This means I can lend any book to anyone I know , anywhere in the world within seconds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Laptops don't have e-ink displays and are cumbersome.
Laptop batteries are measured in hours, the average being 2-3 hours for a brand new battery, whereas ebook readers have a battery life measured in weeks or even months (try reading a 500 or even 300 page book in 2 hours).
Breaking out a small ebook reader while cozied up in a chair is much easier than breaking out the laptop and trying to hold it in one hand.Books take a lot of physical space and the contents are not quickly accessible.
You can fit the contents of an entire bookstore on an ebook reader and you can perform text searches upon those ebooks with results returned in seconds.
If I want to lend someone an ebook I simply email it to them.
This means I can lend any book to anyone I know, anywhere in the world within seconds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28581755</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246736220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What has been said are good arguments for the Kindle DX but from reading these posts I come to the conclusion that the kindle is too expensive for what you get. Yes it has an extremely long battery life (which some may argue is worth the money) but if there is no search function, aside from scrolling down to each chapter how would you find your place once you need to stop reading? Also....I am reading my laptop and typing each sentence from a different angle...I can read my screen the same as any piece of paper...(Dell Latitude D620). From what I can see the features are highly lacking. Now the "CrunchPad" reported to be unveiled soon looks like it would be a good by, if its under $300. I wonder if it would be able to open pdf's in the web browser...keep books on flash drive and open them via browser would be a good alternative if it has a decent batter life. I currently read my books on my laptop and while it is heavier than an book reader, I generally dont hold it close to my face in my hands, I just set it in my lap like a normal person...lol...since text has difficulty in showing emotion/facial expression I want to say that I am unbiased one way or the other, I find the Kindle is too expensive for my blood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What has been said are good arguments for the Kindle DX but from reading these posts I come to the conclusion that the kindle is too expensive for what you get .
Yes it has an extremely long battery life ( which some may argue is worth the money ) but if there is no search function , aside from scrolling down to each chapter how would you find your place once you need to stop reading ?
Also....I am reading my laptop and typing each sentence from a different angle...I can read my screen the same as any piece of paper... ( Dell Latitude D620 ) .
From what I can see the features are highly lacking .
Now the " CrunchPad " reported to be unveiled soon looks like it would be a good by , if its under $ 300 .
I wonder if it would be able to open pdf 's in the web browser...keep books on flash drive and open them via browser would be a good alternative if it has a decent batter life .
I currently read my books on my laptop and while it is heavier than an book reader , I generally dont hold it close to my face in my hands , I just set it in my lap like a normal person...lol...since text has difficulty in showing emotion/facial expression I want to say that I am unbiased one way or the other , I find the Kindle is too expensive for my blood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What has been said are good arguments for the Kindle DX but from reading these posts I come to the conclusion that the kindle is too expensive for what you get.
Yes it has an extremely long battery life (which some may argue is worth the money) but if there is no search function, aside from scrolling down to each chapter how would you find your place once you need to stop reading?
Also....I am reading my laptop and typing each sentence from a different angle...I can read my screen the same as any piece of paper...(Dell Latitude D620).
From what I can see the features are highly lacking.
Now the "CrunchPad" reported to be unveiled soon looks like it would be a good by, if its under $300.
I wonder if it would be able to open pdf's in the web browser...keep books on flash drive and open them via browser would be a good alternative if it has a decent batter life.
I currently read my books on my laptop and while it is heavier than an book reader, I generally dont hold it close to my face in my hands, I just set it in my lap like a normal person...lol...since text has difficulty in showing emotion/facial expression I want to say that I am unbiased one way or the other, I find the Kindle is too expensive for my blood.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574789</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?  It's Called Progress</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246613340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should have just pointed to this<br>http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/3/9/ (PennyArcade)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should have just pointed to thishttp : //www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/3/9/ ( PennyArcade )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should have just pointed to thishttp://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/3/9/ (PennyArcade)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574591</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246611960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please list some of these "standard novels" that you read in two hours. 15-20 seconds per page? That's some ridiculously fast reading there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please list some of these " standard novels " that you read in two hours .
15-20 seconds per page ?
That 's some ridiculously fast reading there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please list some of these "standard novels" that you read in two hours.
15-20 seconds per page?
That's some ridiculously fast reading there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574029</id>
	<title>PDF is not supported</title>
	<author>Greg\_J7</author>
	<datestamp>1246650780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am amused (annoyed at Amazon?) that people think the Kindle supports PDFs. Adobe created PDF to have a portable way of exactly representing documents. The Kindle converts PDF documents into HTML as best it can, and sometimes it does well enough. But PDF has Postcript rendering as an embedded capability, and HTML does not. All the math symbols in a book I am publishing (which I have in PDF format) do NOT convert either with Amazon's Kindle converter, or Adobe Acrobat 8's HTML converters. In other words, I would have to find all the unconvertable parts of the book and manually create images out of them. It's not what I call PDF support!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am amused ( annoyed at Amazon ?
) that people think the Kindle supports PDFs .
Adobe created PDF to have a portable way of exactly representing documents .
The Kindle converts PDF documents into HTML as best it can , and sometimes it does well enough .
But PDF has Postcript rendering as an embedded capability , and HTML does not .
All the math symbols in a book I am publishing ( which I have in PDF format ) do NOT convert either with Amazon 's Kindle converter , or Adobe Acrobat 8 's HTML converters .
In other words , I would have to find all the unconvertable parts of the book and manually create images out of them .
It 's not what I call PDF support !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am amused (annoyed at Amazon?
) that people think the Kindle supports PDFs.
Adobe created PDF to have a portable way of exactly representing documents.
The Kindle converts PDF documents into HTML as best it can, and sometimes it does well enough.
But PDF has Postcript rendering as an embedded capability, and HTML does not.
All the math symbols in a book I am publishing (which I have in PDF format) do NOT convert either with Amazon's Kindle converter, or Adobe Acrobat 8's HTML converters.
In other words, I would have to find all the unconvertable parts of the book and manually create images out of them.
It's not what I call PDF support!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574057</id>
	<title>My Wife Loves her DX, I like mine...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246651020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Random thoughts from an owner.</p><p>My Wife Loves her DX, I like mine.    We read a lot, ePub, Mobie, and a alot of PDF's.   It is heaver than the Kindle 2, but she just makes the font bigger an leaves in on her lap.</p><p>Scanned images?  No problem, wrap them in a PDF wrapper and drag them into the Documents dir.   They do need to add a better zoom.</p><p>Case?  We wanted to keep the weight down so she purchased the Neoprane DX Case for $15   (ASIN: B0029LXHIK) I got the other one ASIN: B002A92QTC  (in blue)</p><p>The Stanza desktop will convert almost any format to any other ebook format, including Mobie http://www.lexcycle.com/</p><p>If you have a ebook from http://www.pragprog.com/, get it in PDF and mobi to compare the difference.  I like mobi better when given the choice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Random thoughts from an owner.My Wife Loves her DX , I like mine .
We read a lot , ePub , Mobie , and a alot of PDF 's .
It is heaver than the Kindle 2 , but she just makes the font bigger an leaves in on her lap.Scanned images ?
No problem , wrap them in a PDF wrapper and drag them into the Documents dir .
They do need to add a better zoom.Case ?
We wanted to keep the weight down so she purchased the Neoprane DX Case for $ 15 ( ASIN : B0029LXHIK ) I got the other one ASIN : B002A92QTC ( in blue ) The Stanza desktop will convert almost any format to any other ebook format , including Mobie http : //www.lexcycle.com/If you have a ebook from http : //www.pragprog.com/ , get it in PDF and mobi to compare the difference .
I like mobi better when given the choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Random thoughts from an owner.My Wife Loves her DX, I like mine.
We read a lot, ePub, Mobie, and a alot of PDF's.
It is heaver than the Kindle 2, but she just makes the font bigger an leaves in on her lap.Scanned images?
No problem, wrap them in a PDF wrapper and drag them into the Documents dir.
They do need to add a better zoom.Case?
We wanted to keep the weight down so she purchased the Neoprane DX Case for $15   (ASIN: B0029LXHIK) I got the other one ASIN: B002A92QTC  (in blue)The Stanza desktop will convert almost any format to any other ebook format, including Mobie http://www.lexcycle.com/If you have a ebook from http://www.pragprog.com/, get it in PDF and mobi to compare the difference.
I like mobi better when given the choice.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573323</id>
	<title>Re:A dumb kind of product</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1246645920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Part of it probably has to do with the fact that Amazon is picking up the tab on the wireless connection. I'm also not sure that the display is really designed to handle much more than just e-books.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Part of it probably has to do with the fact that Amazon is picking up the tab on the wireless connection .
I 'm also not sure that the display is really designed to handle much more than just e-books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Part of it probably has to do with the fact that Amazon is picking up the tab on the wireless connection.
I'm also not sure that the display is really designed to handle much more than just e-books.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573213</id>
	<title>three words: flat file system</title>
	<author>stevenj</author>
	<datestamp>1246645200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As pointed out <a href="http://blog.computationalcomplexity.org/2009/06/math-on-kindle-dx.html" title="computatio...lexity.org">in this review</a> [computatio...lexity.org]:</p><blockquote><div><p>You can move whole directories but the Kindle flattens them out listing every file (by file name) separately on the main home page.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>You can't organize PDFs into directories on the Kindle, which makes accessing a large number of PDFs a serious problem.  It's like 1984.

</p><p>(The lack of PDF annotation capability is also a headache.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As pointed out in this review [ computatio...lexity.org ] : You can move whole directories but the Kindle flattens them out listing every file ( by file name ) separately on the main home page .
You ca n't organize PDFs into directories on the Kindle , which makes accessing a large number of PDFs a serious problem .
It 's like 1984 .
( The lack of PDF annotation capability is also a headache .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As pointed out in this review [computatio...lexity.org]:You can move whole directories but the Kindle flattens them out listing every file (by file name) separately on the main home page.
You can't organize PDFs into directories on the Kindle, which makes accessing a large number of PDFs a serious problem.
It's like 1984.
(The lack of PDF annotation capability is also a headache.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28576539</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>srmalloy</author>
	<datestamp>1246628040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>For one, the size and weight of books. For a casual reader, the KindleDX is overkill. It's large, expensive and the benefits don't outweigh the hassles (recharging, fragility, etc). For those of us that have large libraries of tech books, the KindleDX allows us to store our entire bookshelf on a single device that takes up less room and weighs significantly less than a single book.</p></div></blockquote><p>No. You are missing the point. A Kindle 2 or a Kindle DX allows <b>you</b> to store your entire bookshelf on a single device for <b>you</b> to read. If I have 500 books on my bookshelf, I can read any of them I want... and I can loan one to my friend, or to my neighbor, or to a co-worker, and we can all be reading those books at the same time. If I have 500 books on my Kindle, <b>I</b> can read them. If I want my friend, or my neighbor, or my co-worker, to read one of those books, I have to loan them <i>all</i> of them at once, by loaning them my Kindle, which prevents <i>me</i> from reading any of them. And I can only loan books to <b>one</b> person at a time, because there is only <b>one</b> interface to access the stored books. And I'm willing to bet that the manufacturers of the various e-book readers are counting on this; where someone might have bought a book and loaned it to several people after reading it, when Amazon sells a Kindle book, they know that that buyer, if they like the book enough to recommend it to others, becomes an unpaid sales agent for them -- if they'd bought a dead-tree edition, they could say "Here, you need to read this" and hand them the book, and Amazon makes nothing unless that person decides they need their own copy. But if the first person only has a Kindle edition, the second person has to buy their own copy, or find someone who has a dead-tree edition to borrow it.</p><blockquote><div><p>Third point: When using ebooks for reference (or following a tutorial in the book) while you're doing work on the laptop, it's nice to have a separate device. This was one reason why I stuck to buying physical books rather than purchasing PDFs exclusively.</p></div></blockquote><p>However, both the Kindle 2 and the Kindle DX, while they work very well for reading through a book, and are much more convenient to carry around than a half-dozen reference works, fall down <b>badly</b> when you try to use them <i>as</i> a reference book. For example, when I'm looking up how to do something in a book on, say, SQL Server Integration Services, I would look up the task in the index, then page back to that part of the book, a task which a properly-organized Kindle document can handle. While I'm reading that section, it references doing a subtask, which was explained two chapters earlier. With a hardcopy book, I can flip back in chunks of pages until I find the right chapter (think about how you find the right page in a phone book for "Jones, William J" -- you open to a page a bit before the middle of the phone book, then page forward or back in smaller and smaller groups of pages until you get the right page) -- but with the Kindle, I can back up a page or go forward a page; jumping back and forth multiple pages is tedious, as is going back to the index and finding what I want, or jumping to a bookmark, assuming you have one already made in the right spot.<br>
&nbsp; </p><p>Kindles and the other e-book readers are useful -- I own a Kindle 2 myself, and am debating whether the larger screen size of a Kindle 2 is worth the cost for the storage convenience with books whose content becomes less than legible on the Kindle 2's screen; I read enough that carrying around enough books that I don't run out (and having to swap them out as I finish them) is tedious; my Kindle lets me go from one book to the next just by picking the next book out of the title list. But for all its utility, I still buy dead-tree editions of books, particularly when it's a book that I expect to use in something other than the 'start at the front page, read through to the end' reading for entertainment mode. However, I may be an oddity; a recent statement from Amazon.com gave the statistic that, of all their books that had Kindle editions available, 35\% of the sales of those books were for the Kindle editions. Convenience is a difficult card to trump, and if <i>you</i> are almost certainly going to be the only person reading the books you buy, the lack of a way to loan out your e-books may be no handicap at all.</p></div>
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<tokenext>For one , the size and weight of books .
For a casual reader , the KindleDX is overkill .
It 's large , expensive and the benefits do n't outweigh the hassles ( recharging , fragility , etc ) .
For those of us that have large libraries of tech books , the KindleDX allows us to store our entire bookshelf on a single device that takes up less room and weighs significantly less than a single book.No .
You are missing the point .
A Kindle 2 or a Kindle DX allows you to store your entire bookshelf on a single device for you to read .
If I have 500 books on my bookshelf , I can read any of them I want... and I can loan one to my friend , or to my neighbor , or to a co-worker , and we can all be reading those books at the same time .
If I have 500 books on my Kindle , I can read them .
If I want my friend , or my neighbor , or my co-worker , to read one of those books , I have to loan them all of them at once , by loaning them my Kindle , which prevents me from reading any of them .
And I can only loan books to one person at a time , because there is only one interface to access the stored books .
And I 'm willing to bet that the manufacturers of the various e-book readers are counting on this ; where someone might have bought a book and loaned it to several people after reading it , when Amazon sells a Kindle book , they know that that buyer , if they like the book enough to recommend it to others , becomes an unpaid sales agent for them -- if they 'd bought a dead-tree edition , they could say " Here , you need to read this " and hand them the book , and Amazon makes nothing unless that person decides they need their own copy .
But if the first person only has a Kindle edition , the second person has to buy their own copy , or find someone who has a dead-tree edition to borrow it.Third point : When using ebooks for reference ( or following a tutorial in the book ) while you 're doing work on the laptop , it 's nice to have a separate device .
This was one reason why I stuck to buying physical books rather than purchasing PDFs exclusively.However , both the Kindle 2 and the Kindle DX , while they work very well for reading through a book , and are much more convenient to carry around than a half-dozen reference works , fall down badly when you try to use them as a reference book .
For example , when I 'm looking up how to do something in a book on , say , SQL Server Integration Services , I would look up the task in the index , then page back to that part of the book , a task which a properly-organized Kindle document can handle .
While I 'm reading that section , it references doing a subtask , which was explained two chapters earlier .
With a hardcopy book , I can flip back in chunks of pages until I find the right chapter ( think about how you find the right page in a phone book for " Jones , William J " -- you open to a page a bit before the middle of the phone book , then page forward or back in smaller and smaller groups of pages until you get the right page ) -- but with the Kindle , I can back up a page or go forward a page ; jumping back and forth multiple pages is tedious , as is going back to the index and finding what I want , or jumping to a bookmark , assuming you have one already made in the right spot .
  Kindles and the other e-book readers are useful -- I own a Kindle 2 myself , and am debating whether the larger screen size of a Kindle 2 is worth the cost for the storage convenience with books whose content becomes less than legible on the Kindle 2 's screen ; I read enough that carrying around enough books that I do n't run out ( and having to swap them out as I finish them ) is tedious ; my Kindle lets me go from one book to the next just by picking the next book out of the title list .
But for all its utility , I still buy dead-tree editions of books , particularly when it 's a book that I expect to use in something other than the 'start at the front page , read through to the end ' reading for entertainment mode .
However , I may be an oddity ; a recent statement from Amazon.com gave the statistic that , of all their books that had Kindle editions available , 35 \ % of the sales of those books were for the Kindle editions .
Convenience is a difficult card to trump , and if you are almost certainly going to be the only person reading the books you buy , the lack of a way to loan out your e-books may be no handicap at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For one, the size and weight of books.
For a casual reader, the KindleDX is overkill.
It's large, expensive and the benefits don't outweigh the hassles (recharging, fragility, etc).
For those of us that have large libraries of tech books, the KindleDX allows us to store our entire bookshelf on a single device that takes up less room and weighs significantly less than a single book.No.
You are missing the point.
A Kindle 2 or a Kindle DX allows you to store your entire bookshelf on a single device for you to read.
If I have 500 books on my bookshelf, I can read any of them I want... and I can loan one to my friend, or to my neighbor, or to a co-worker, and we can all be reading those books at the same time.
If I have 500 books on my Kindle, I can read them.
If I want my friend, or my neighbor, or my co-worker, to read one of those books, I have to loan them all of them at once, by loaning them my Kindle, which prevents me from reading any of them.
And I can only loan books to one person at a time, because there is only one interface to access the stored books.
And I'm willing to bet that the manufacturers of the various e-book readers are counting on this; where someone might have bought a book and loaned it to several people after reading it, when Amazon sells a Kindle book, they know that that buyer, if they like the book enough to recommend it to others, becomes an unpaid sales agent for them -- if they'd bought a dead-tree edition, they could say "Here, you need to read this" and hand them the book, and Amazon makes nothing unless that person decides they need their own copy.
But if the first person only has a Kindle edition, the second person has to buy their own copy, or find someone who has a dead-tree edition to borrow it.Third point: When using ebooks for reference (or following a tutorial in the book) while you're doing work on the laptop, it's nice to have a separate device.
This was one reason why I stuck to buying physical books rather than purchasing PDFs exclusively.However, both the Kindle 2 and the Kindle DX, while they work very well for reading through a book, and are much more convenient to carry around than a half-dozen reference works, fall down badly when you try to use them as a reference book.
For example, when I'm looking up how to do something in a book on, say, SQL Server Integration Services, I would look up the task in the index, then page back to that part of the book, a task which a properly-organized Kindle document can handle.
While I'm reading that section, it references doing a subtask, which was explained two chapters earlier.
With a hardcopy book, I can flip back in chunks of pages until I find the right chapter (think about how you find the right page in a phone book for "Jones, William J" -- you open to a page a bit before the middle of the phone book, then page forward or back in smaller and smaller groups of pages until you get the right page) -- but with the Kindle, I can back up a page or go forward a page; jumping back and forth multiple pages is tedious, as is going back to the index and finding what I want, or jumping to a bookmark, assuming you have one already made in the right spot.
  Kindles and the other e-book readers are useful -- I own a Kindle 2 myself, and am debating whether the larger screen size of a Kindle 2 is worth the cost for the storage convenience with books whose content becomes less than legible on the Kindle 2's screen; I read enough that carrying around enough books that I don't run out (and having to swap them out as I finish them) is tedious; my Kindle lets me go from one book to the next just by picking the next book out of the title list.
But for all its utility, I still buy dead-tree editions of books, particularly when it's a book that I expect to use in something other than the 'start at the front page, read through to the end' reading for entertainment mode.
However, I may be an oddity; a recent statement from Amazon.com gave the statistic that, of all their books that had Kindle editions available, 35\% of the sales of those books were for the Kindle editions.
Convenience is a difficult card to trump, and if you are almost certainly going to be the only person reading the books you buy, the lack of a way to loan out your e-books may be no handicap at all.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573763</id>
	<title>Re:Dumbfuck Mods</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246648860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are two options: 1. yes, bullshit gets modded up and truth gets modded down or 2. no, you are just confused about what is bullshit and what is truth. I'm guessing 2 but with a large dollop of 1.  Mod points are available to everyone, after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are two options : 1. yes , bullshit gets modded up and truth gets modded down or 2. no , you are just confused about what is bullshit and what is truth .
I 'm guessing 2 but with a large dollop of 1 .
Mod points are available to everyone , after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are two options: 1. yes, bullshit gets modded up and truth gets modded down or 2. no, you are just confused about what is bullshit and what is truth.
I'm guessing 2 but with a large dollop of 1.
Mod points are available to everyone, after all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573703</id>
	<title>Re:A dumb kind of product</title>
	<author>Provocateur</author>
	<datestamp>1246648380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the risk of sounding redundant, check the form factor out (I've seen the Sony). If you don't have a computer, this would be secondary, especially at the wrong price point. But if you love to read, and value your eyesight, and already gotten a notebook/laptop, this is worth checking out. Battery goes for <i>weeks</i> and it's instant on--those are pros for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the risk of sounding redundant , check the form factor out ( I 've seen the Sony ) .
If you do n't have a computer , this would be secondary , especially at the wrong price point .
But if you love to read , and value your eyesight , and already gotten a notebook/laptop , this is worth checking out .
Battery goes for weeks and it 's instant on--those are pros for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the risk of sounding redundant, check the form factor out (I've seen the Sony).
If you don't have a computer, this would be secondary, especially at the wrong price point.
But if you love to read, and value your eyesight, and already gotten a notebook/laptop, this is worth checking out.
Battery goes for weeks and it's instant on--those are pros for me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28575003</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246614720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The Kindle is pretty good for reading novels. It's almost useless for technical books and PDFs due to the slow screen update."</p><p>To each his (or her) own, but I don't find this to be the case - I don't find myself so enamoured with the technical books I've been reading on my DX that I can't wait a second or two for the next page to display.  And this is with PDF books, not Kindle-formatted material.  As many others have pointed out, it isn't significantly worse than the time it takes to flip a physical page, and I don't recall anyone complaining that page turn speed was a huge limiting factor with paper books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The Kindle is pretty good for reading novels .
It 's almost useless for technical books and PDFs due to the slow screen update .
" To each his ( or her ) own , but I do n't find this to be the case - I do n't find myself so enamoured with the technical books I 've been reading on my DX that I ca n't wait a second or two for the next page to display .
And this is with PDF books , not Kindle-formatted material .
As many others have pointed out , it is n't significantly worse than the time it takes to flip a physical page , and I do n't recall anyone complaining that page turn speed was a huge limiting factor with paper books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The Kindle is pretty good for reading novels.
It's almost useless for technical books and PDFs due to the slow screen update.
"To each his (or her) own, but I don't find this to be the case - I don't find myself so enamoured with the technical books I've been reading on my DX that I can't wait a second or two for the next page to display.
And this is with PDF books, not Kindle-formatted material.
As many others have pointed out, it isn't significantly worse than the time it takes to flip a physical page, and I don't recall anyone complaining that page turn speed was a huge limiting factor with paper books.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28581047</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1246730520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess you haven't heard of the public library then?</p><p>Not only do they lend books to anyone willing to give their name and address, but they even charge you for not bringing them back on time, all without the consent of the publisher and never giving the author a penny beyond the initial purchase.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess you have n't heard of the public library then ? Not only do they lend books to anyone willing to give their name and address , but they even charge you for not bringing them back on time , all without the consent of the publisher and never giving the author a penny beyond the initial purchase .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess you haven't heard of the public library then?Not only do they lend books to anyone willing to give their name and address, but they even charge you for not bringing them back on time, all without the consent of the publisher and never giving the author a penny beyond the initial purchase.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574625</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>haifastudent</author>
	<datestamp>1246612140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and they effortlessly multitask--leave one in the bathroom, one on the nightstand, one in the car, etc.</p></div><p>Allright, I understand what you've multitasking with the pages in the bathroom for, and if you're into that whole "cuming outside" thing than the one on the nightstand as well. But I really cannot figure out what you're doing with the one in the car. Wiping down the dipstick?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and they effortlessly multitask--leave one in the bathroom , one on the nightstand , one in the car , etc.Allright , I understand what you 've multitasking with the pages in the bathroom for , and if you 're into that whole " cuming outside " thing than the one on the nightstand as well .
But I really can not figure out what you 're doing with the one in the car .
Wiping down the dipstick ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and they effortlessly multitask--leave one in the bathroom, one on the nightstand, one in the car, etc.Allright, I understand what you've multitasking with the pages in the bathroom for, and if you're into that whole "cuming outside" thing than the one on the nightstand as well.
But I really cannot figure out what you're doing with the one in the car.
Wiping down the dipstick?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28577755</id>
	<title>Foxit E-Slick PDF Reader</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246642620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone have one of these? Comes from the makers of the top non-Adobe PDF reader software. It looks like it will be the answer for those (man) of us that require offline access to our PDF libraries. Being Foxit, I expect them to make a product without all the hubbardry and DRM that we see with stuff like Kindle. Would love to hear from anyone who might have used an E-Slick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone have one of these ?
Comes from the makers of the top non-Adobe PDF reader software .
It looks like it will be the answer for those ( man ) of us that require offline access to our PDF libraries .
Being Foxit , I expect them to make a product without all the hubbardry and DRM that we see with stuff like Kindle .
Would love to hear from anyone who might have used an E-Slick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone have one of these?
Comes from the makers of the top non-Adobe PDF reader software.
It looks like it will be the answer for those (man) of us that require offline access to our PDF libraries.
Being Foxit, I expect them to make a product without all the hubbardry and DRM that we see with stuff like Kindle.
Would love to hear from anyone who might have used an E-Slick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573687</id>
	<title>Is anyone using the DX to read technical books?</title>
	<author>Giometrix</author>
	<datestamp>1246648320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I bought a Sony PRS-500 a couple of years back.  The display is kind of small, which sucks because I tend to use it to read a lot of technical books which tend to be a lot bigger (e.g.the Apress Programming books) than the novels I think the device was meant to be used on.

My work around right now is to use CutePDF to crop the books as much as I can... then I use Rasterfarian to split all of the pages in half (the program essentially takes a screenshot of each page) and convert to the reader's format.

This process is a little annoying, and makes the reading experience sub-optimal (but still an OK experience).  Because page turning is a little slow, with this technique it gets a little tedious  having to turn 2x the pages.

The DX look like it can streamline the entire experience for me... but since I can't go to the store and try one out I'm little hesitant (especially since I already have a reader).  Does anyone with a DX use the device to read larger PDF books?  How is the experience?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought a Sony PRS-500 a couple of years back .
The display is kind of small , which sucks because I tend to use it to read a lot of technical books which tend to be a lot bigger ( e.g.the Apress Programming books ) than the novels I think the device was meant to be used on .
My work around right now is to use CutePDF to crop the books as much as I can... then I use Rasterfarian to split all of the pages in half ( the program essentially takes a screenshot of each page ) and convert to the reader 's format .
This process is a little annoying , and makes the reading experience sub-optimal ( but still an OK experience ) .
Because page turning is a little slow , with this technique it gets a little tedious having to turn 2x the pages .
The DX look like it can streamline the entire experience for me... but since I ca n't go to the store and try one out I 'm little hesitant ( especially since I already have a reader ) .
Does anyone with a DX use the device to read larger PDF books ?
How is the experience ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought a Sony PRS-500 a couple of years back.
The display is kind of small, which sucks because I tend to use it to read a lot of technical books which tend to be a lot bigger (e.g.the Apress Programming books) than the novels I think the device was meant to be used on.
My work around right now is to use CutePDF to crop the books as much as I can... then I use Rasterfarian to split all of the pages in half (the program essentially takes a screenshot of each page) and convert to the reader's format.
This process is a little annoying, and makes the reading experience sub-optimal (but still an OK experience).
Because page turning is a little slow, with this technique it gets a little tedious  having to turn 2x the pages.
The DX look like it can streamline the entire experience for me... but since I can't go to the store and try one out I'm little hesitant (especially since I already have a reader).
Does anyone with a DX use the device to read larger PDF books?
How is the experience?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573153</id>
	<title>Not Just No</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246644960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"From the academic-paper-reading-geek perspective, is it worth the money?"</p><p>HeeYELL no. IMO, papers are best read on paper. But with electronic journals coming to fore, you have to adapt. Those get sent as PDF to an email or similar account. Kindle doesn't do email and isn't paper. For $500 I can buy a laptop to do these things if needed, and still have enough for a major party.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" From the academic-paper-reading-geek perspective , is it worth the money ?
" HeeYELL no .
IMO , papers are best read on paper .
But with electronic journals coming to fore , you have to adapt .
Those get sent as PDF to an email or similar account .
Kindle does n't do email and is n't paper .
For $ 500 I can buy a laptop to do these things if needed , and still have enough for a major party .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"From the academic-paper-reading-geek perspective, is it worth the money?
"HeeYELL no.
IMO, papers are best read on paper.
But with electronic journals coming to fore, you have to adapt.
Those get sent as PDF to an email or similar account.
Kindle doesn't do email and isn't paper.
For $500 I can buy a laptop to do these things if needed, and still have enough for a major party.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573039</id>
	<title>A dumb kind of product</title>
	<author>cjonslashdot</author>
	<datestamp>1246644120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fail to see the logic in a book reader.</p><p>A book reader is a computer. Why not make it full-featured?</p><p>I would <i>love</i> to have a computer that had an e-ink (persistent) display, internet access, and could also read books, with the battery life of an e-book (with internet turned off).</p><p>Why purposely limit the machine to only being able to read books? It makes no sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fail to see the logic in a book reader.A book reader is a computer .
Why not make it full-featured ? I would love to have a computer that had an e-ink ( persistent ) display , internet access , and could also read books , with the battery life of an e-book ( with internet turned off ) .Why purposely limit the machine to only being able to read books ?
It makes no sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fail to see the logic in a book reader.A book reader is a computer.
Why not make it full-featured?I would love to have a computer that had an e-ink (persistent) display, internet access, and could also read books, with the battery life of an e-book (with internet turned off).Why purposely limit the machine to only being able to read books?
It makes no sense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572859</id>
	<title>Re:Math PDFs</title>
	<author>Qubit</author>
	<datestamp>1246643040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The PRS-505 is apparently a version of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony\_Reader" title="wikipedia.org">Sony Reader</a> [wikipedia.org]. The latest version is the PRS-700, which looks to be about $350 right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The PRS-505 is apparently a version of the Sony Reader [ wikipedia.org ] .
The latest version is the PRS-700 , which looks to be about $ 350 right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PRS-505 is apparently a version of the Sony Reader [wikipedia.org].
The latest version is the PRS-700, which looks to be about $350 right now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572993</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>timpdx</author>
	<datestamp>1246643880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I disagree, in terms of Amazon following the inkjet model. You would not see $5-10 best sellers, they would be full price, Amazon would have to make the $500 cost of the Kindle up somehow. Then everyone would gripe about e-books being the same cost as a hardback bestseller ($30 and up). Thank God someone ISN'T following the inkjet model.

As for me, I would rather have the Kindle over a laptop, those $400 laptops don't have batteries to last even a couple of hours. I can't stand reading on a screen, but my friend's Sony is very easy on the eyes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree , in terms of Amazon following the inkjet model .
You would not see $ 5-10 best sellers , they would be full price , Amazon would have to make the $ 500 cost of the Kindle up somehow .
Then everyone would gripe about e-books being the same cost as a hardback bestseller ( $ 30 and up ) .
Thank God someone IS N'T following the inkjet model .
As for me , I would rather have the Kindle over a laptop , those $ 400 laptops do n't have batteries to last even a couple of hours .
I ca n't stand reading on a screen , but my friend 's Sony is very easy on the eyes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree, in terms of Amazon following the inkjet model.
You would not see $5-10 best sellers, they would be full price, Amazon would have to make the $500 cost of the Kindle up somehow.
Then everyone would gripe about e-books being the same cost as a hardback bestseller ($30 and up).
Thank God someone ISN'T following the inkjet model.
As for me, I would rather have the Kindle over a laptop, those $400 laptops don't have batteries to last even a couple of hours.
I can't stand reading on a screen, but my friend's Sony is very easy on the eyes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573479</id>
	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246646880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an iRex DR1000S. Nice big eink screen. Very open - yes it runs LINUX. Stylus annotations. PDF etc. A few software quirks but I am very happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an iRex DR1000S .
Nice big eink screen .
Very open - yes it runs LINUX .
Stylus annotations .
PDF etc .
A few software quirks but I am very happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an iRex DR1000S.
Nice big eink screen.
Very open - yes it runs LINUX.
Stylus annotations.
PDF etc.
A few software quirks but I am very happy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572933</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>SendBot</author>
	<datestamp>1246643460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Plus, physical books are kinda cool; they don't need to be recharged, you can drop them from amazing heights and they still work, they're infinitely reusable and lendable, and they effortlessly multitask--leave one in the bathroom, one on the nightstand, one in the car, etc.</p></div><p>responses:<br>- This thing uses very little power. You have to worry more about charging your body with food than charging this thing with power.</p><p>- Dunno about you, but I don't like dropping my books either.</p><p>- Digital books are EXTREMELY "lendable".</p><p>- If you like being a slob you'll find you can leave books (and other things) just about anywhere! Compare looking all over for a book you left somewhere to pushing a few buttons on the kindle.</p><p>- and try carrying all your favorite books with you on a plane.</p><p>- or reading a backlit laptop display in bright sunlight.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Plus , physical books are kinda cool ; they do n't need to be recharged , you can drop them from amazing heights and they still work , they 're infinitely reusable and lendable , and they effortlessly multitask--leave one in the bathroom , one on the nightstand , one in the car , etc.responses : - This thing uses very little power .
You have to worry more about charging your body with food than charging this thing with power.- Dunno about you , but I do n't like dropping my books either.- Digital books are EXTREMELY " lendable " .- If you like being a slob you 'll find you can leave books ( and other things ) just about anywhere !
Compare looking all over for a book you left somewhere to pushing a few buttons on the kindle.- and try carrying all your favorite books with you on a plane.- or reading a backlit laptop display in bright sunlight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plus, physical books are kinda cool; they don't need to be recharged, you can drop them from amazing heights and they still work, they're infinitely reusable and lendable, and they effortlessly multitask--leave one in the bathroom, one on the nightstand, one in the car, etc.responses:- This thing uses very little power.
You have to worry more about charging your body with food than charging this thing with power.- Dunno about you, but I don't like dropping my books either.- Digital books are EXTREMELY "lendable".- If you like being a slob you'll find you can leave books (and other things) just about anywhere!
Compare looking all over for a book you left somewhere to pushing a few buttons on the kindle.- and try carrying all your favorite books with you on a plane.- or reading a backlit laptop display in bright sunlight.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573309</id>
	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1246645860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>It's worth noting that Apple refuses to license out their AAC DRM and never used WMA DRM, meaning that if you wanted the ITMS support back when it was DRMed, you had to have an iPod or be happy only playing via the computer. And no burning to CD to rerip really doesn't cut it. I'm still curious as to why the DoJ never looked into the obvious antitrust violations that represents.<br> <br>

Amazon is just a couple of steps worse than that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's worth noting that Apple refuses to license out their AAC DRM and never used WMA DRM , meaning that if you wanted the ITMS support back when it was DRMed , you had to have an iPod or be happy only playing via the computer .
And no burning to CD to rerip really does n't cut it .
I 'm still curious as to why the DoJ never looked into the obvious antitrust violations that represents .
Amazon is just a couple of steps worse than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's worth noting that Apple refuses to license out their AAC DRM and never used WMA DRM, meaning that if you wanted the ITMS support back when it was DRMed, you had to have an iPod or be happy only playing via the computer.
And no burning to CD to rerip really doesn't cut it.
I'm still curious as to why the DoJ never looked into the obvious antitrust violations that represents.
Amazon is just a couple of steps worse than that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573541</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1246647300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Laptops:</p><ol><li>don't last weeks on a charge. (something like 3000 page turns on a charge with these eReaders)</li><li>backlit displays cause eye strain for for reading.</li><li>are barely readable in direct sunlight. reflective e-ink is simple to read on a park bench.</li><li>LCDs matrix causes some people eye strain compared to the print-like blobs in electrophoretic displays(e-ink).</li><li>are cumbersome to read while on a bus/train. Unless perhaps your laptop is a netbook that can fold into a tablet.</li><li>the reader apps for PCs kind of suck, but that could change quickly.</li><li>people like to have more than one hot new gadget. (the main reason people drop the money on the Kindle 2 and DX)</li></ol><p>You can get the Kindle iPhone/Touch app for free. It is a good reader, and setup in a way that is familiar to Kindle 2/DX's reader software. The display on the iPhone/Touch are a bit small, and reading the bright backlight in the dark for long hours is noticeably tiring. But it is superior to reading on a laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Laptops : do n't last weeks on a charge .
( something like 3000 page turns on a charge with these eReaders ) backlit displays cause eye strain for for reading.are barely readable in direct sunlight .
reflective e-ink is simple to read on a park bench.LCDs matrix causes some people eye strain compared to the print-like blobs in electrophoretic displays ( e-ink ) .are cumbersome to read while on a bus/train .
Unless perhaps your laptop is a netbook that can fold into a tablet.the reader apps for PCs kind of suck , but that could change quickly.people like to have more than one hot new gadget .
( the main reason people drop the money on the Kindle 2 and DX ) You can get the Kindle iPhone/Touch app for free .
It is a good reader , and setup in a way that is familiar to Kindle 2/DX 's reader software .
The display on the iPhone/Touch are a bit small , and reading the bright backlight in the dark for long hours is noticeably tiring .
But it is superior to reading on a laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Laptops:don't last weeks on a charge.
(something like 3000 page turns on a charge with these eReaders)backlit displays cause eye strain for for reading.are barely readable in direct sunlight.
reflective e-ink is simple to read on a park bench.LCDs matrix causes some people eye strain compared to the print-like blobs in electrophoretic displays(e-ink).are cumbersome to read while on a bus/train.
Unless perhaps your laptop is a netbook that can fold into a tablet.the reader apps for PCs kind of suck, but that could change quickly.people like to have more than one hot new gadget.
(the main reason people drop the money on the Kindle 2 and DX)You can get the Kindle iPhone/Touch app for free.
It is a good reader, and setup in a way that is familiar to Kindle 2/DX's reader software.
The display on the iPhone/Touch are a bit small, and reading the bright backlight in the dark for long hours is noticeably tiring.
But it is superior to reading on a laptop.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573921</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1246649760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for 500 i agree.</p><p>For less i disagree. The kindle is great for what its designed to. For someone that doenst like reading on the 'pc', i dont mind at all reading a book on a G1 kindle.</p><p>And just for the record you DONT have to pay to read books on it. there are 10000's of legal free books you can put on there, even more if your morals are a bit 'grey'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for 500 i agree.For less i disagree .
The kindle is great for what its designed to .
For someone that doenst like reading on the 'pc ' , i dont mind at all reading a book on a G1 kindle.And just for the record you DONT have to pay to read books on it .
there are 10000 's of legal free books you can put on there , even more if your morals are a bit 'grey' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for 500 i agree.For less i disagree.
The kindle is great for what its designed to.
For someone that doenst like reading on the 'pc', i dont mind at all reading a book on a G1 kindle.And just for the record you DONT have to pay to read books on it.
there are 10000's of legal free books you can put on there, even more if your morals are a bit 'grey'.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574443</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Brad Eleven</author>
	<datestamp>1246654080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember exactly the same argument when high-dollar MP3 players started showing up. Whatever the market will bear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember exactly the same argument when high-dollar MP3 players started showing up .
Whatever the market will bear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember exactly the same argument when high-dollar MP3 players started showing up.
Whatever the market will bear.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574821</id>
	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>TUOggy</author>
	<datestamp>1246613520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is it crippled?  It can view PDF's natively (the most common format).  Sure it has it's own format, as I'm sure every other ebook reader does too.
<br>
<br>
Amazon already dominates the market.  Most people who buy books online go to Amazon.  If they are an avid reader, and can save $10 per book, then buying this is definitely worth it seeing as how it will just take 50 books or so (a few months of reading for my girlfriend) to save in books what you pay for the reader.  And because Amazon dominates the internet book market, publishers can't afford to not work with them.  If they say that they are making an ebook reader and want the publishers to cooperate, the publishers have more to lose by not cooperating than Amazon has to lose (since there are so many other publishers that will work with Amazon).
<br>
<br>
Yes, the price is a little steep for me, but that's because I don't read a lot.  Sure, I enjoy the occasional book, but usually not more than a couple per month.
<br>
<br>
Now, I needed something like this a few years ago when I was in school.  If this was available when I was a freshman, then I would have grabbed this up fast so long as it gave me an opportunity to save on $150 textbooks.  Sometimes you can't even get used textbooks for a reasonable price.  When you spend $500-$800 per semester on textbooks, and start to realize how much beer that is, stuff like this looks like a nice alternative (assuming the textbook industry does start publishing in ebook format).</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is it crippled ?
It can view PDF 's natively ( the most common format ) .
Sure it has it 's own format , as I 'm sure every other ebook reader does too .
Amazon already dominates the market .
Most people who buy books online go to Amazon .
If they are an avid reader , and can save $ 10 per book , then buying this is definitely worth it seeing as how it will just take 50 books or so ( a few months of reading for my girlfriend ) to save in books what you pay for the reader .
And because Amazon dominates the internet book market , publishers ca n't afford to not work with them .
If they say that they are making an ebook reader and want the publishers to cooperate , the publishers have more to lose by not cooperating than Amazon has to lose ( since there are so many other publishers that will work with Amazon ) .
Yes , the price is a little steep for me , but that 's because I do n't read a lot .
Sure , I enjoy the occasional book , but usually not more than a couple per month .
Now , I needed something like this a few years ago when I was in school .
If this was available when I was a freshman , then I would have grabbed this up fast so long as it gave me an opportunity to save on $ 150 textbooks .
Sometimes you ca n't even get used textbooks for a reasonable price .
When you spend $ 500- $ 800 per semester on textbooks , and start to realize how much beer that is , stuff like this looks like a nice alternative ( assuming the textbook industry does start publishing in ebook format ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is it crippled?
It can view PDF's natively (the most common format).
Sure it has it's own format, as I'm sure every other ebook reader does too.
Amazon already dominates the market.
Most people who buy books online go to Amazon.
If they are an avid reader, and can save $10 per book, then buying this is definitely worth it seeing as how it will just take 50 books or so (a few months of reading for my girlfriend) to save in books what you pay for the reader.
And because Amazon dominates the internet book market, publishers can't afford to not work with them.
If they say that they are making an ebook reader and want the publishers to cooperate, the publishers have more to lose by not cooperating than Amazon has to lose (since there are so many other publishers that will work with Amazon).
Yes, the price is a little steep for me, but that's because I don't read a lot.
Sure, I enjoy the occasional book, but usually not more than a couple per month.
Now, I needed something like this a few years ago when I was in school.
If this was available when I was a freshman, then I would have grabbed this up fast so long as it gave me an opportunity to save on $150 textbooks.
Sometimes you can't even get used textbooks for a reasonable price.
When you spend $500-$800 per semester on textbooks, and start to realize how much beer that is, stuff like this looks like a nice alternative (assuming the textbook industry does start publishing in ebook format).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574867</id>
	<title>Kindle is proprietary (Evil)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246613880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Kindle is proprietary in that Amazon refuses to support the prevailing defacto standard format for ebooks. That's a joke in this day and age. Get a Sony if prefer open source format support.</p><p>For those complaining about PDF support in ebooks, please try and create your own algorithm for unwrapping the pre-laid-out text/graphics layouts and see how far you get. The answer is to have books published in [standard] ebook formats so we don't have to convert PDFs. Even Adobe has figured that out, though it being built into the PDF format going forward, further diluting any potential standards.</p><p>What's needed is a ebook format (pretty much exactly like the open/free ePUB format that Kindle refuses to support) that completely supports and presents non-proprietary standard ebook documents, so that you and I don't have to depend on impossible PDF conversions if you want to read a book you already have.</p><p>In a nutshell promote ePUB readers, not Kindle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Kindle is proprietary in that Amazon refuses to support the prevailing defacto standard format for ebooks .
That 's a joke in this day and age .
Get a Sony if prefer open source format support.For those complaining about PDF support in ebooks , please try and create your own algorithm for unwrapping the pre-laid-out text/graphics layouts and see how far you get .
The answer is to have books published in [ standard ] ebook formats so we do n't have to convert PDFs .
Even Adobe has figured that out , though it being built into the PDF format going forward , further diluting any potential standards.What 's needed is a ebook format ( pretty much exactly like the open/free ePUB format that Kindle refuses to support ) that completely supports and presents non-proprietary standard ebook documents , so that you and I do n't have to depend on impossible PDF conversions if you want to read a book you already have.In a nutshell promote ePUB readers , not Kindle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Kindle is proprietary in that Amazon refuses to support the prevailing defacto standard format for ebooks.
That's a joke in this day and age.
Get a Sony if prefer open source format support.For those complaining about PDF support in ebooks, please try and create your own algorithm for unwrapping the pre-laid-out text/graphics layouts and see how far you get.
The answer is to have books published in [standard] ebook formats so we don't have to convert PDFs.
Even Adobe has figured that out, though it being built into the PDF format going forward, further diluting any potential standards.What's needed is a ebook format (pretty much exactly like the open/free ePUB format that Kindle refuses to support) that completely supports and presents non-proprietary standard ebook documents, so that you and I don't have to depend on impossible PDF conversions if you want to read a book you already have.In a nutshell promote ePUB readers, not Kindle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573439</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246646700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> (try reading a 500 or even 300 page book in 2 hours). </p></div><p>Over 2 hours to read a 300 page book? Only if I keep getting interrupted. Actually, it has been a while since I timed how long it takes me to read a book, but I generally figure about 2 hours to read a standard novel.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( try reading a 500 or even 300 page book in 2 hours ) .
Over 2 hours to read a 300 page book ?
Only if I keep getting interrupted .
Actually , it has been a while since I timed how long it takes me to read a book , but I generally figure about 2 hours to read a standard novel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> (try reading a 500 or even 300 page book in 2 hours).
Over 2 hours to read a 300 page book?
Only if I keep getting interrupted.
Actually, it has been a while since I timed how long it takes me to read a book, but I generally figure about 2 hours to read a standard novel.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28575633</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>fafaforza</author>
	<datestamp>1246619640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you had a business selling books, or CDs, or whatever, would you react positively if people could just email your product to anyone?  C'mon, stop with the 'information wants to be free' stuff.</p><p>The only problem with DRM is that it is proprietary and that it can't change ownership.  So your books could expire, or stop working when you break your device and need a new one.  You also can't gift the book to someone or resell it.</p><p>But allowing your stuff to just be emailed freely is beyond ridiculous if you want to actually make a living at it.  If it is your hobby, then fine, make it a plain text file.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you had a business selling books , or CDs , or whatever , would you react positively if people could just email your product to anyone ?
C'mon , stop with the 'information wants to be free ' stuff.The only problem with DRM is that it is proprietary and that it ca n't change ownership .
So your books could expire , or stop working when you break your device and need a new one .
You also ca n't gift the book to someone or resell it.But allowing your stuff to just be emailed freely is beyond ridiculous if you want to actually make a living at it .
If it is your hobby , then fine , make it a plain text file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you had a business selling books, or CDs, or whatever, would you react positively if people could just email your product to anyone?
C'mon, stop with the 'information wants to be free' stuff.The only problem with DRM is that it is proprietary and that it can't change ownership.
So your books could expire, or stop working when you break your device and need a new one.
You also can't gift the book to someone or resell it.But allowing your stuff to just be emailed freely is beyond ridiculous if you want to actually make a living at it.
If it is your hobby, then fine, make it a plain text file.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573273</id>
	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1246645620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The publishing industry wants one-book one-device, something Amazon is currently going along with. Custom formats that can be derived from an EPUB formatted version of the book aren't going to significantly increase costs, mitigating the issues that come from fragmentation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The publishing industry wants one-book one-device , something Amazon is currently going along with .
Custom formats that can be derived from an EPUB formatted version of the book are n't going to significantly increase costs , mitigating the issues that come from fragmentation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The publishing industry wants one-book one-device, something Amazon is currently going along with.
Custom formats that can be derived from an EPUB formatted version of the book aren't going to significantly increase costs, mitigating the issues that come from fragmentation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28579685</id>
	<title>My own review of the Kindle DX ...</title>
	<author>darkuni</author>
	<datestamp>1246718220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think my review could answer some of your questions<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... offering a more compare/contrast with the Kindle 2.

<a href="http://monroeworld.com/reviews/review.php?id=15" title="monroeworld.com" rel="nofollow">http://monroeworld.com/reviews/review.php?id=15</a> [monroeworld.com]

In short, if PDF is your biggest draw - I would wait for some firmware updates before making the jump.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think my review could answer some of your questions ... offering a more compare/contrast with the Kindle 2 . http : //monroeworld.com/reviews/review.php ? id = 15 [ monroeworld.com ] In short , if PDF is your biggest draw - I would wait for some firmware updates before making the jump .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think my review could answer some of your questions ... offering a more compare/contrast with the Kindle 2.

http://monroeworld.com/reviews/review.php?id=15 [monroeworld.com]

In short, if PDF is your biggest draw - I would wait for some firmware updates before making the jump.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573751</id>
	<title>Re:Skip until cheaper/better</title>
	<author>zeromorph</author>
	<datestamp>1246648740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, for academic papers, the iRex Digital Reader 1000S seems to be the best, but 699 EUR is quite a bit of money, and I'm not sure the size of the screen is good enough for two column texts, as you find it in many scientific journals.</p><p>I never had the chance to check a 1000S myself, but a friend of mine has a iRex iLiad and it's really a nice piece of technology but clearly no good, when it comes to pdfs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , for academic papers , the iRex Digital Reader 1000S seems to be the best , but 699 EUR is quite a bit of money , and I 'm not sure the size of the screen is good enough for two column texts , as you find it in many scientific journals.I never had the chance to check a 1000S myself , but a friend of mine has a iRex iLiad and it 's really a nice piece of technology but clearly no good , when it comes to pdfs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, for academic papers, the iRex Digital Reader 1000S seems to be the best, but 699 EUR is quite a bit of money, and I'm not sure the size of the screen is good enough for two column texts, as you find it in many scientific journals.I never had the chance to check a 1000S myself, but a friend of mine has a iRex iLiad and it's really a nice piece of technology but clearly no good, when it comes to pdfs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573103</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>richmaine</author>
	<datestamp>1246644540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got a laptop computer. I also have a Kindle. No way is the laptop even close to an adequate substitute. I plan to bring both on a cruise I'm going on starting next week. My Kindle is not the DX, and I'm not at all sure whether I'd prefer the DX or not, but your comments have nothing in particular to do with the DX either. I'm not going to just repeat all the sales blub stuff in detail. That is all readily available. I don't know whether you never read it, or perhaps the Kindle just isn't for you. I'm sure it isn't for everyone, but that doesn't mean it is for nobody. In very short...</p><p>The Kindle (non-DX) is sized and shaped about like a paperback (particularly if you get the leather cover - recommended). This is clearly intentional, and it works well. You can tote it around just like a paperback; my wife throws it in her purse just like one. It is a whole lot more handy than my laptop. It is also a *LOT* easier on the eyes than a laptop screen. And yes, I can indeed read it outside in the desert sun here in lighting conditions where it would be hard to even tell whether my laptop was on. Since the epaper screen is a large chunk of the cost of the thing, its properties are important to consider. Yes, if you don't value those properties, you aren't going to value the Kindle.</p><p>Its battery life is measured in days instead of hours (caveat: that's with the wireless off, which makes a huge difference; keep the wireless off if you aren't using it). And my aging eyes appreciate that I can select the font size instead of being stuck with whatever tiny font a book printer used.</p><p>Most of the books I have on it so far are free ones, though my wife has bought a few, and we'll probably skim Amazon and buy a few more today.</p><p>One negative. I don't think the interface for things like newspapers is very convenient. I tried the free trial subscriptions to a few papers, but then I dropped them. The material is there, but it just isn't presented in a way that I find very handy. With either a physical paper or the web, you immediately see what the "big" stories are. Sometimes that's all you want. You don't get that with the Kindle.</p><p>Yes, I could carry a dozen books or so on my upcoming cruise. Well, I could carry them until all the extra weight got to me, which it would. Or I could carry my one KIndle. I'm bringing the Kindle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a laptop computer .
I also have a Kindle .
No way is the laptop even close to an adequate substitute .
I plan to bring both on a cruise I 'm going on starting next week .
My Kindle is not the DX , and I 'm not at all sure whether I 'd prefer the DX or not , but your comments have nothing in particular to do with the DX either .
I 'm not going to just repeat all the sales blub stuff in detail .
That is all readily available .
I do n't know whether you never read it , or perhaps the Kindle just is n't for you .
I 'm sure it is n't for everyone , but that does n't mean it is for nobody .
In very short...The Kindle ( non-DX ) is sized and shaped about like a paperback ( particularly if you get the leather cover - recommended ) .
This is clearly intentional , and it works well .
You can tote it around just like a paperback ; my wife throws it in her purse just like one .
It is a whole lot more handy than my laptop .
It is also a * LOT * easier on the eyes than a laptop screen .
And yes , I can indeed read it outside in the desert sun here in lighting conditions where it would be hard to even tell whether my laptop was on .
Since the epaper screen is a large chunk of the cost of the thing , its properties are important to consider .
Yes , if you do n't value those properties , you are n't going to value the Kindle.Its battery life is measured in days instead of hours ( caveat : that 's with the wireless off , which makes a huge difference ; keep the wireless off if you are n't using it ) .
And my aging eyes appreciate that I can select the font size instead of being stuck with whatever tiny font a book printer used.Most of the books I have on it so far are free ones , though my wife has bought a few , and we 'll probably skim Amazon and buy a few more today.One negative .
I do n't think the interface for things like newspapers is very convenient .
I tried the free trial subscriptions to a few papers , but then I dropped them .
The material is there , but it just is n't presented in a way that I find very handy .
With either a physical paper or the web , you immediately see what the " big " stories are .
Sometimes that 's all you want .
You do n't get that with the Kindle.Yes , I could carry a dozen books or so on my upcoming cruise .
Well , I could carry them until all the extra weight got to me , which it would .
Or I could carry my one KIndle .
I 'm bringing the Kindle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a laptop computer.
I also have a Kindle.
No way is the laptop even close to an adequate substitute.
I plan to bring both on a cruise I'm going on starting next week.
My Kindle is not the DX, and I'm not at all sure whether I'd prefer the DX or not, but your comments have nothing in particular to do with the DX either.
I'm not going to just repeat all the sales blub stuff in detail.
That is all readily available.
I don't know whether you never read it, or perhaps the Kindle just isn't for you.
I'm sure it isn't for everyone, but that doesn't mean it is for nobody.
In very short...The Kindle (non-DX) is sized and shaped about like a paperback (particularly if you get the leather cover - recommended).
This is clearly intentional, and it works well.
You can tote it around just like a paperback; my wife throws it in her purse just like one.
It is a whole lot more handy than my laptop.
It is also a *LOT* easier on the eyes than a laptop screen.
And yes, I can indeed read it outside in the desert sun here in lighting conditions where it would be hard to even tell whether my laptop was on.
Since the epaper screen is a large chunk of the cost of the thing, its properties are important to consider.
Yes, if you don't value those properties, you aren't going to value the Kindle.Its battery life is measured in days instead of hours (caveat: that's with the wireless off, which makes a huge difference; keep the wireless off if you aren't using it).
And my aging eyes appreciate that I can select the font size instead of being stuck with whatever tiny font a book printer used.Most of the books I have on it so far are free ones, though my wife has bought a few, and we'll probably skim Amazon and buy a few more today.One negative.
I don't think the interface for things like newspapers is very convenient.
I tried the free trial subscriptions to a few papers, but then I dropped them.
The material is there, but it just isn't presented in a way that I find very handy.
With either a physical paper or the web, you immediately see what the "big" stories are.
Sometimes that's all you want.
You don't get that with the Kindle.Yes, I could carry a dozen books or so on my upcoming cruise.
Well, I could carry them until all the extra weight got to me, which it would.
Or I could carry my one KIndle.
I'm bringing the Kindle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572991</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>JamesTheBoilermaker</author>
	<datestamp>1246643880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You could buy a laptop and download thousands of free books from Gutenberg.org or wherever, and spend the rest on used books and have more than you can ever hope to read.</p><p>Alternatively, you can spend $350-$500 on one of these Amazon gadgets and then have to pay to read books on it.</p></div><p>Or, you can buy a Kindle and download thousands of free books from Gutenberg.org or wherever.  The Kindle doesn't lock you in to only reading Amazon books.  I've probably read about as many project Gutenberg books on my Kindle as I have books I bought from Amazon.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could buy a laptop and download thousands of free books from Gutenberg.org or wherever , and spend the rest on used books and have more than you can ever hope to read.Alternatively , you can spend $ 350- $ 500 on one of these Amazon gadgets and then have to pay to read books on it.Or , you can buy a Kindle and download thousands of free books from Gutenberg.org or wherever .
The Kindle does n't lock you in to only reading Amazon books .
I 've probably read about as many project Gutenberg books on my Kindle as I have books I bought from Amazon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could buy a laptop and download thousands of free books from Gutenberg.org or wherever, and spend the rest on used books and have more than you can ever hope to read.Alternatively, you can spend $350-$500 on one of these Amazon gadgets and then have to pay to read books on it.Or, you can buy a Kindle and download thousands of free books from Gutenberg.org or wherever.
The Kindle doesn't lock you in to only reading Amazon books.
I've probably read about as many project Gutenberg books on my Kindle as I have books I bought from Amazon.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573773</id>
	<title>I have 801 tchnical PDFs on my DX</title>
	<author>Doug Jensen</author>
	<datestamp>1246648920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have several thousand technical documents ranging from hundreds of pages to a dozen pages. I have been carrying them around with me on a 500GB portable USB hard drive, connecting that to my laptop or a public computer. I got 801 of them on my DX before it filled up, so now I am in the process of triaging all my PDFs to get the most important ones on the DX.

I have no problems at all reading them, even the mathematics-intensive ones.

Something I thought of after I bought the DX: hey, now I can easily have with me the PDFs of all (a couple hundred) of the journal and conference papers I have published. One obvious use is for employment interviews (I'm just saying) without having to tote my laptop -- the show-and-tell experience is totally different and cool.

Well worth the price for my purposes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have several thousand technical documents ranging from hundreds of pages to a dozen pages .
I have been carrying them around with me on a 500GB portable USB hard drive , connecting that to my laptop or a public computer .
I got 801 of them on my DX before it filled up , so now I am in the process of triaging all my PDFs to get the most important ones on the DX .
I have no problems at all reading them , even the mathematics-intensive ones .
Something I thought of after I bought the DX : hey , now I can easily have with me the PDFs of all ( a couple hundred ) of the journal and conference papers I have published .
One obvious use is for employment interviews ( I 'm just saying ) without having to tote my laptop -- the show-and-tell experience is totally different and cool .
Well worth the price for my purposes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have several thousand technical documents ranging from hundreds of pages to a dozen pages.
I have been carrying them around with me on a 500GB portable USB hard drive, connecting that to my laptop or a public computer.
I got 801 of them on my DX before it filled up, so now I am in the process of triaging all my PDFs to get the most important ones on the DX.
I have no problems at all reading them, even the mathematics-intensive ones.
Something I thought of after I bought the DX: hey, now I can easily have with me the PDFs of all (a couple hundred) of the journal and conference papers I have published.
One obvious use is for employment interviews (I'm just saying) without having to tote my laptop -- the show-and-tell experience is totally different and cool.
Well worth the price for my purposes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28576859</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246631520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To clarify you can search an individual PDF, but "Search my items" (i.e. global search) doesn't hit on PDFs. Even on the DX Amazon considers PDF support as "Experimental" so one must assume or hope that device-wide searching will be supported in a future software upgrade. The documentation omission that most annoyed me is that you can't do highlighting/annotations in a PDF (though you can dog-ear, for what that's worth). Also, no inline dictionary is irksome.</p><p>My DX will be used 90\% of the time for reading PDF academic articles and so far I've found the text (including formulas) rendering to be spot-on. I've not read many PDFs with embedded graphics so I don't know how those turn out. All in all I'm very happy with the thing, now all I need to make my life complete is a plugin for Papers that lets me create itunes-like playlists that automatically sync with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To clarify you can search an individual PDF , but " Search my items " ( i.e .
global search ) does n't hit on PDFs .
Even on the DX Amazon considers PDF support as " Experimental " so one must assume or hope that device-wide searching will be supported in a future software upgrade .
The documentation omission that most annoyed me is that you ca n't do highlighting/annotations in a PDF ( though you can dog-ear , for what that 's worth ) .
Also , no inline dictionary is irksome.My DX will be used 90 \ % of the time for reading PDF academic articles and so far I 've found the text ( including formulas ) rendering to be spot-on .
I 've not read many PDFs with embedded graphics so I do n't know how those turn out .
All in all I 'm very happy with the thing , now all I need to make my life complete is a plugin for Papers that lets me create itunes-like playlists that automatically sync with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To clarify you can search an individual PDF, but "Search my items" (i.e.
global search) doesn't hit on PDFs.
Even on the DX Amazon considers PDF support as "Experimental" so one must assume or hope that device-wide searching will be supported in a future software upgrade.
The documentation omission that most annoyed me is that you can't do highlighting/annotations in a PDF (though you can dog-ear, for what that's worth).
Also, no inline dictionary is irksome.My DX will be used 90\% of the time for reading PDF academic articles and so far I've found the text (including formulas) rendering to be spot-on.
I've not read many PDFs with embedded graphics so I don't know how those turn out.
All in all I'm very happy with the thing, now all I need to make my life complete is a plugin for Papers that lets me create itunes-like playlists that automatically sync with it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28586521</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246811220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ebooks you buy from Amazon are DRM'd - you cannot lend them to anyone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ebooks you buy from Amazon are DRM 'd - you can not lend them to anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ebooks you buy from Amazon are DRM'd - you cannot lend them to anyone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573943</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>noric</author>
	<datestamp>1246649940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Clearly you've never held a Kindle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly you 've never held a Kindle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly you've never held a Kindle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28581887</id>
	<title>Pocket PC</title>
	<author>twoHats</author>
	<datestamp>1246737660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally, I like a pocket PC with uBook - i have bad eyesight, and have been using my Dell Axim (i am sure any Mobile PC will work)for years - uses sd cards or USB for xfer - displays many protocols.

just my $.02</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I like a pocket PC with uBook - i have bad eyesight , and have been using my Dell Axim ( i am sure any Mobile PC will work ) for years - uses sd cards or USB for xfer - displays many protocols .
just my $ .02</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I like a pocket PC with uBook - i have bad eyesight, and have been using my Dell Axim (i am sure any Mobile PC will work)for years - uses sd cards or USB for xfer - displays many protocols.
just my $.02</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28581765</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246736400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to say I'm pretty disappointed with it. I bought it specifically because it claims to have native PDF "support". In reality the *only* win is that the document is no longer re-flowed, i.e. it maintains its original formatting. Every single desktop software PDF reader can parse the table of contents and use it to jump to a specific page. This is particularly important for large technical documents that don't number all pages starting from zero at the beginning of the document, e.g. intel docs number pages only within chapters.</p><p>I think for the sake of honesty in marketing it should be described as being able to natively *render* PDF. Calling it a "PDF reader" implies functionality that it does not possess.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to say I 'm pretty disappointed with it .
I bought it specifically because it claims to have native PDF " support " .
In reality the * only * win is that the document is no longer re-flowed , i.e .
it maintains its original formatting .
Every single desktop software PDF reader can parse the table of contents and use it to jump to a specific page .
This is particularly important for large technical documents that do n't number all pages starting from zero at the beginning of the document , e.g .
intel docs number pages only within chapters.I think for the sake of honesty in marketing it should be described as being able to natively * render * PDF .
Calling it a " PDF reader " implies functionality that it does not possess .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to say I'm pretty disappointed with it.
I bought it specifically because it claims to have native PDF "support".
In reality the *only* win is that the document is no longer re-flowed, i.e.
it maintains its original formatting.
Every single desktop software PDF reader can parse the table of contents and use it to jump to a specific page.
This is particularly important for large technical documents that don't number all pages starting from zero at the beginning of the document, e.g.
intel docs number pages only within chapters.I think for the sake of honesty in marketing it should be described as being able to natively *render* PDF.
Calling it a "PDF reader" implies functionality that it does not possess.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28576733</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>ewertz</author>
	<datestamp>1246630080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>But laptops keep my junk all nice and toasty while I'm reading.
It's an e-book reader AND a spermicide.  Twofer!</htmltext>
<tokenext>But laptops keep my junk all nice and toasty while I 'm reading .
It 's an e-book reader AND a spermicide .
Twofer !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But laptops keep my junk all nice and toasty while I'm reading.
It's an e-book reader AND a spermicide.
Twofer!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573611</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246647840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Books are quickly accessible - you can flick to any page instantly and browse through at speed. You can't do that on a Kindle because a page turn takes 2 seconds.</p><p>You can't just email books to your friends if you buy them from Amazon, thanks to DRM.</p><p>The Kindle is pretty good for reading novels. It's almost useless for technical books and PDFs due to the slow screen update.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Books are quickly accessible - you can flick to any page instantly and browse through at speed .
You ca n't do that on a Kindle because a page turn takes 2 seconds.You ca n't just email books to your friends if you buy them from Amazon , thanks to DRM.The Kindle is pretty good for reading novels .
It 's almost useless for technical books and PDFs due to the slow screen update .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Books are quickly accessible - you can flick to any page instantly and browse through at speed.
You can't do that on a Kindle because a page turn takes 2 seconds.You can't just email books to your friends if you buy them from Amazon, thanks to DRM.The Kindle is pretty good for reading novels.
It's almost useless for technical books and PDFs due to the slow screen update.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573491</id>
	<title>I am happy with the DX, but it isn't for everyone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246646940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I picked up the Kindle DX on release day (much to my amazement, as I figured the initial stock would go entirely to preorders) and then took it on a 2 week trip.  I'm quite pleased with it, although I definitely believe that it will only appeal to a narrow market.</p><p>

Pros:
</p><ul>
<li>The e-ink display really needs to be seen to understand the benefit.  Over time, more and more of my reading material has become electronic, and I had not appreciated how much reading long documents on my backlit laptop LCD was leading to eye-fatigue.  The result was that I tended to read on my laptop in short bursts, taking frequent breaks and losing focus.  With a passive display like this, I find that I naturally read for longer intervals.  Contrast is not as good as paper, but being able to read in direct light really changes your reading behavior.</li><li>The form factor is perfect for full page document reading.  A netbook or small laptop, while useful for other things, is a horrible document reader.  The clamshell form factor is the wrong orientation for reading pages, and if you try to turn it to read in portrait mode, you have a keyboard sticking out the side for no reason.  I tried reading with a sideways 12" laptop on the bus as a graduate student, and it was pretty annoying.  Anyone suggesting a real computer as an alternative to the Kindle DX should at least begin with a tablet PC.</li><li>As a reader, the software mostly gets out of your way.  The power switch just puts the system to sleep, so you can pick up the DX and be reading where you were last in about 4 seconds.  Your last location is remembered in all documents, as you would expect.  More sophisticated controls would be nice, but aren't a deal-breaker.</li><li>The built-in cellular data link is not spectacular, but gets the job done.  I really enjoy being able to read something, then if I encounter an unfamiliar concept, I can just start typing a phrase and hit "wikipedia".  xkcd's comment about the Kindle being our manifestation of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is very true.</li><li> The browser is definitely limited, but very convenient when you are traveling.  I don't have a fancy phone, so this is the only device I own which provides nearly universal Internet access.  (Yeah, I'm late to the party.)  Not having a stupid cell contract to use the web browser is a huge plus.</li><li>Battery life and weight are good.  I tend to leave the wireless radio on, but even with that extra drain, I normally have to recharge every few days.  At 1 lb., it is the weight of a thin hardback.  You won't read it for long periods by holding it out in front of your face (see "gorilla arms"), but it doesn't take much support to a corner or an elbow to comfortably hold it.
</li><li>Being able to read the first chapter of books free is kind of neat.  I don't usually buy books for the Kindle with the store, because I consider DRM-crippled data to be disposable.  It is a great way to find new books to buy in dead-tree format, though.</li><li>PDF rendering works fine.  I have encountered one image in one PDF that rendered strange, but otherwise viewing PDFs has met my expectations.</li></ul><p>

Cons:
</p><ul>
<li>Some people say other readers have a better e-ink display.  This is my first e-ink device, so I can't comment on that.</li><li>If you are used to reading on an LCD, it will take you a little bit to adjust.  The first thing I noticed when I got the DX is that I have very poor lighting in my apartment for reading.  With a backlit display, I never noticed.  However, the DX needs external light, just like paper.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</li><li>This is not a speedy device, nor a speedy internet connection.  The browser is very slow, especially on complex websites.</li><li>The economics of the cellular link are worrying.  Since it is effectively pre-paid in the cost of the device itself, Amazon does not have a strong financial incentive to improve the built-in browser.  More web use means more money they have to pay to Sprint on your behalf.  You see the effects of this in o</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>I picked up the Kindle DX on release day ( much to my amazement , as I figured the initial stock would go entirely to preorders ) and then took it on a 2 week trip .
I 'm quite pleased with it , although I definitely believe that it will only appeal to a narrow market .
Pros : The e-ink display really needs to be seen to understand the benefit .
Over time , more and more of my reading material has become electronic , and I had not appreciated how much reading long documents on my backlit laptop LCD was leading to eye-fatigue .
The result was that I tended to read on my laptop in short bursts , taking frequent breaks and losing focus .
With a passive display like this , I find that I naturally read for longer intervals .
Contrast is not as good as paper , but being able to read in direct light really changes your reading behavior.The form factor is perfect for full page document reading .
A netbook or small laptop , while useful for other things , is a horrible document reader .
The clamshell form factor is the wrong orientation for reading pages , and if you try to turn it to read in portrait mode , you have a keyboard sticking out the side for no reason .
I tried reading with a sideways 12 " laptop on the bus as a graduate student , and it was pretty annoying .
Anyone suggesting a real computer as an alternative to the Kindle DX should at least begin with a tablet PC.As a reader , the software mostly gets out of your way .
The power switch just puts the system to sleep , so you can pick up the DX and be reading where you were last in about 4 seconds .
Your last location is remembered in all documents , as you would expect .
More sophisticated controls would be nice , but are n't a deal-breaker.The built-in cellular data link is not spectacular , but gets the job done .
I really enjoy being able to read something , then if I encounter an unfamiliar concept , I can just start typing a phrase and hit " wikipedia " .
xkcd 's comment about the Kindle being our manifestation of the Hitchhiker 's Guide to the Galaxy is very true .
The browser is definitely limited , but very convenient when you are traveling .
I do n't have a fancy phone , so this is the only device I own which provides nearly universal Internet access .
( Yeah , I 'm late to the party .
) Not having a stupid cell contract to use the web browser is a huge plus.Battery life and weight are good .
I tend to leave the wireless radio on , but even with that extra drain , I normally have to recharge every few days .
At 1 lb. , it is the weight of a thin hardback .
You wo n't read it for long periods by holding it out in front of your face ( see " gorilla arms " ) , but it does n't take much support to a corner or an elbow to comfortably hold it .
Being able to read the first chapter of books free is kind of neat .
I do n't usually buy books for the Kindle with the store , because I consider DRM-crippled data to be disposable .
It is a great way to find new books to buy in dead-tree format , though.PDF rendering works fine .
I have encountered one image in one PDF that rendered strange , but otherwise viewing PDFs has met my expectations .
Cons : Some people say other readers have a better e-ink display .
This is my first e-ink device , so I ca n't comment on that.If you are used to reading on an LCD , it will take you a little bit to adjust .
The first thing I noticed when I got the DX is that I have very poor lighting in my apartment for reading .
With a backlit display , I never noticed .
However , the DX needs external light , just like paper .
: ) This is not a speedy device , nor a speedy internet connection .
The browser is very slow , especially on complex websites.The economics of the cellular link are worrying .
Since it is effectively pre-paid in the cost of the device itself , Amazon does not have a strong financial incentive to improve the built-in browser .
More web use means more money they have to pay to Sprint on your behalf .
You see the effects of this in o</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I picked up the Kindle DX on release day (much to my amazement, as I figured the initial stock would go entirely to preorders) and then took it on a 2 week trip.
I'm quite pleased with it, although I definitely believe that it will only appeal to a narrow market.
Pros:

The e-ink display really needs to be seen to understand the benefit.
Over time, more and more of my reading material has become electronic, and I had not appreciated how much reading long documents on my backlit laptop LCD was leading to eye-fatigue.
The result was that I tended to read on my laptop in short bursts, taking frequent breaks and losing focus.
With a passive display like this, I find that I naturally read for longer intervals.
Contrast is not as good as paper, but being able to read in direct light really changes your reading behavior.The form factor is perfect for full page document reading.
A netbook or small laptop, while useful for other things, is a horrible document reader.
The clamshell form factor is the wrong orientation for reading pages, and if you try to turn it to read in portrait mode, you have a keyboard sticking out the side for no reason.
I tried reading with a sideways 12" laptop on the bus as a graduate student, and it was pretty annoying.
Anyone suggesting a real computer as an alternative to the Kindle DX should at least begin with a tablet PC.As a reader, the software mostly gets out of your way.
The power switch just puts the system to sleep, so you can pick up the DX and be reading where you were last in about 4 seconds.
Your last location is remembered in all documents, as you would expect.
More sophisticated controls would be nice, but aren't a deal-breaker.The built-in cellular data link is not spectacular, but gets the job done.
I really enjoy being able to read something, then if I encounter an unfamiliar concept, I can just start typing a phrase and hit "wikipedia".
xkcd's comment about the Kindle being our manifestation of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is very true.
The browser is definitely limited, but very convenient when you are traveling.
I don't have a fancy phone, so this is the only device I own which provides nearly universal Internet access.
(Yeah, I'm late to the party.
)  Not having a stupid cell contract to use the web browser is a huge plus.Battery life and weight are good.
I tend to leave the wireless radio on, but even with that extra drain, I normally have to recharge every few days.
At 1 lb., it is the weight of a thin hardback.
You won't read it for long periods by holding it out in front of your face (see "gorilla arms"), but it doesn't take much support to a corner or an elbow to comfortably hold it.
Being able to read the first chapter of books free is kind of neat.
I don't usually buy books for the Kindle with the store, because I consider DRM-crippled data to be disposable.
It is a great way to find new books to buy in dead-tree format, though.PDF rendering works fine.
I have encountered one image in one PDF that rendered strange, but otherwise viewing PDFs has met my expectations.
Cons:

Some people say other readers have a better e-ink display.
This is my first e-ink device, so I can't comment on that.If you are used to reading on an LCD, it will take you a little bit to adjust.
The first thing I noticed when I got the DX is that I have very poor lighting in my apartment for reading.
With a backlit display, I never noticed.
However, the DX needs external light, just like paper.
:)This is not a speedy device, nor a speedy internet connection.
The browser is very slow, especially on complex websites.The economics of the cellular link are worrying.
Since it is effectively pre-paid in the cost of the device itself, Amazon does not have a strong financial incentive to improve the built-in browser.
More web use means more money they have to pay to Sprint on your behalf.
You see the effects of this in o</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573059</id>
	<title>academic not on amazon</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1246644240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was looking at the Kindle to read journals.  By and large the journals are not available through Amazon, but are available through the web, as text or PDF.  I currently read these on laptop, but, to answer another question, the clamshell form factor does not always work when reading.  I think I will buy a Kindle when the web browser is no longer beta, as that is my preferred method of getting my reading material.
<p>
Unless something better comes along.  That is a device that does not waste real estate with a tiny useless keyboard.  I would rather have a smaller device and have to use a touchscreen.  After all, I won't be writing novels on it.  I can almost read a book on my iPhone.  An e-book reader with the area of three iphones would be perfect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was looking at the Kindle to read journals .
By and large the journals are not available through Amazon , but are available through the web , as text or PDF .
I currently read these on laptop , but , to answer another question , the clamshell form factor does not always work when reading .
I think I will buy a Kindle when the web browser is no longer beta , as that is my preferred method of getting my reading material .
Unless something better comes along .
That is a device that does not waste real estate with a tiny useless keyboard .
I would rather have a smaller device and have to use a touchscreen .
After all , I wo n't be writing novels on it .
I can almost read a book on my iPhone .
An e-book reader with the area of three iphones would be perfect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was looking at the Kindle to read journals.
By and large the journals are not available through Amazon, but are available through the web, as text or PDF.
I currently read these on laptop, but, to answer another question, the clamshell form factor does not always work when reading.
I think I will buy a Kindle when the web browser is no longer beta, as that is my preferred method of getting my reading material.
Unless something better comes along.
That is a device that does not waste real estate with a tiny useless keyboard.
I would rather have a smaller device and have to use a touchscreen.
After all, I won't be writing novels on it.
I can almost read a book on my iPhone.
An e-book reader with the area of three iphones would be perfect.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574113</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>nldavepc</author>
	<datestamp>1246651500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do agree with some of the people here regarding the Kindle's price versus lack of features as compared to a laptop.
Personaly, I quite like using my pocket pc (touch diamond 2) for reading ebooks. The screen is small but the 480x800 resolution is very nice.
The only thing it lacks is a good cbr/cbz reader for reading comics, but I found that an eeepc is perfect for that task so I won't complain.
Perhaps the 200 dollar tablet that was mentioned on this site some time ago would be a good alternative to the kindle:

<a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/21/we-want-a-dead-simple-web-tablet-help-us-build-it/" title="techcrunch.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/21/we-want-a-dead-simple-web-tablet-help-us-build-it/</a> [techcrunch.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do agree with some of the people here regarding the Kindle 's price versus lack of features as compared to a laptop .
Personaly , I quite like using my pocket pc ( touch diamond 2 ) for reading ebooks .
The screen is small but the 480x800 resolution is very nice .
The only thing it lacks is a good cbr/cbz reader for reading comics , but I found that an eeepc is perfect for that task so I wo n't complain .
Perhaps the 200 dollar tablet that was mentioned on this site some time ago would be a good alternative to the kindle : http : //www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/21/we-want-a-dead-simple-web-tablet-help-us-build-it/ [ techcrunch.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do agree with some of the people here regarding the Kindle's price versus lack of features as compared to a laptop.
Personaly, I quite like using my pocket pc (touch diamond 2) for reading ebooks.
The screen is small but the 480x800 resolution is very nice.
The only thing it lacks is a good cbr/cbz reader for reading comics, but I found that an eeepc is perfect for that task so I won't complain.
Perhaps the 200 dollar tablet that was mentioned on this site some time ago would be a good alternative to the kindle:

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/07/21/we-want-a-dead-simple-web-tablet-help-us-build-it/ [techcrunch.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574127</id>
	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how goPUBLISHERS</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1246651620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats, proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon. One would think it is in their interest to come up with and dictate a single book format, one which all readers can implement, one which all stores can sell books with. It sounds obvious but a single format would level the playing field and catapult ebooks into the mainstream.</p></div></blockquote><p>
You don't understand small publishers -- I do because I sell through one.<br> <br>
eBook publishers will seek to get their eBooks listed <i>everywhere</i> they can be sold. Because there is no upfront publishing costs for an eBook and minimal setup fees, you just shotgun the book out as widely as possible, and in every salable format. Setting up multiple formats isn't all that hard with modern tools and publishers are format agnostic as a result.<br> <br>
The current biggest eBook retailers are: Fictionwise (now part of B&amp;N, who absolutely doesn't deserve to be given their shitty service and doubly-shitty treatment of authors and publishers, but they're big and still generate a lot of sales), Amazon, and Google is looking to become a big player soon. You do your best to sell to all of them, as well as a couple dozen smaller sites that may generate less sales each, but from whom it all adds up in the end.<br> <br>
That's the eBook publishing business today. You can rail against it, or play by its arcane rules and modestly profit from it.<br> <br>
As for readers, it has never been better. A whole lot of stuff is published in eBook form that you never would have had access to before - and at cheap prices. You have a variety of bookstores, dedicated eBook readers, computer-based readers, smart phone and iPod readers to choose from. Competition exists to keep prices under control.<br> <br>
So don't blame the publishers for the current state of affairs. In the end it's up to the consumer to pick the winner(s) and loser(s).<br> <br>
Oh, and this author says to buy from anyone other than Fictionwise. In their latest twist, they've just taken away their real-time sales reports from the publishers and told them to wait for audited end of quarter reports to know what their sales were for that quarter because the real-time data was apparently reporting sales up to 25\% higher than publishers were being paid for at the end of the quarter. Two sets of numbers didn't agree and they paid the lower one (big surprise there). And complaints about their Customer Service are becoming legendary. If you have an alternative to Fictionwise for your purchases I would encourage you to vote with your feet and wallets until they can clean up their act. Anyone who has worked with numbers on computers knows that two reports proporting to report on the same data will never agree, but a full 25\% is well outside the bounds of reasonable error.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats , proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon .
One would think it is in their interest to come up with and dictate a single book format , one which all readers can implement , one which all stores can sell books with .
It sounds obvious but a single format would level the playing field and catapult ebooks into the mainstream .
You do n't understand small publishers -- I do because I sell through one .
eBook publishers will seek to get their eBooks listed everywhere they can be sold .
Because there is no upfront publishing costs for an eBook and minimal setup fees , you just shotgun the book out as widely as possible , and in every salable format .
Setting up multiple formats is n't all that hard with modern tools and publishers are format agnostic as a result .
The current biggest eBook retailers are : Fictionwise ( now part of B&amp;N , who absolutely does n't deserve to be given their shitty service and doubly-shitty treatment of authors and publishers , but they 're big and still generate a lot of sales ) , Amazon , and Google is looking to become a big player soon .
You do your best to sell to all of them , as well as a couple dozen smaller sites that may generate less sales each , but from whom it all adds up in the end .
That 's the eBook publishing business today .
You can rail against it , or play by its arcane rules and modestly profit from it .
As for readers , it has never been better .
A whole lot of stuff is published in eBook form that you never would have had access to before - and at cheap prices .
You have a variety of bookstores , dedicated eBook readers , computer-based readers , smart phone and iPod readers to choose from .
Competition exists to keep prices under control .
So do n't blame the publishers for the current state of affairs .
In the end it 's up to the consumer to pick the winner ( s ) and loser ( s ) .
Oh , and this author says to buy from anyone other than Fictionwise .
In their latest twist , they 've just taken away their real-time sales reports from the publishers and told them to wait for audited end of quarter reports to know what their sales were for that quarter because the real-time data was apparently reporting sales up to 25 \ % higher than publishers were being paid for at the end of the quarter .
Two sets of numbers did n't agree and they paid the lower one ( big surprise there ) .
And complaints about their Customer Service are becoming legendary .
If you have an alternative to Fictionwise for your purchases I would encourage you to vote with your feet and wallets until they can clean up their act .
Anyone who has worked with numbers on computers knows that two reports proporting to report on the same data will never agree , but a full 25 \ % is well outside the bounds of reasonable error .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats, proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon.
One would think it is in their interest to come up with and dictate a single book format, one which all readers can implement, one which all stores can sell books with.
It sounds obvious but a single format would level the playing field and catapult ebooks into the mainstream.
You don't understand small publishers -- I do because I sell through one.
eBook publishers will seek to get their eBooks listed everywhere they can be sold.
Because there is no upfront publishing costs for an eBook and minimal setup fees, you just shotgun the book out as widely as possible, and in every salable format.
Setting up multiple formats isn't all that hard with modern tools and publishers are format agnostic as a result.
The current biggest eBook retailers are: Fictionwise (now part of B&amp;N, who absolutely doesn't deserve to be given their shitty service and doubly-shitty treatment of authors and publishers, but they're big and still generate a lot of sales), Amazon, and Google is looking to become a big player soon.
You do your best to sell to all of them, as well as a couple dozen smaller sites that may generate less sales each, but from whom it all adds up in the end.
That's the eBook publishing business today.
You can rail against it, or play by its arcane rules and modestly profit from it.
As for readers, it has never been better.
A whole lot of stuff is published in eBook form that you never would have had access to before - and at cheap prices.
You have a variety of bookstores, dedicated eBook readers, computer-based readers, smart phone and iPod readers to choose from.
Competition exists to keep prices under control.
So don't blame the publishers for the current state of affairs.
In the end it's up to the consumer to pick the winner(s) and loser(s).
Oh, and this author says to buy from anyone other than Fictionwise.
In their latest twist, they've just taken away their real-time sales reports from the publishers and told them to wait for audited end of quarter reports to know what their sales were for that quarter because the real-time data was apparently reporting sales up to 25\% higher than publishers were being paid for at the end of the quarter.
Two sets of numbers didn't agree and they paid the lower one (big surprise there).
And complaints about their Customer Service are becoming legendary.
If you have an alternative to Fictionwise for your purchases I would encourage you to vote with your feet and wallets until they can clean up their act.
Anyone who has worked with numbers on computers knows that two reports proporting to report on the same data will never agree, but a full 25\% is well outside the bounds of reasonable error.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573003</id>
	<title>Everyone here is a Liar! The DX is NOT SHIPPING</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246643940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The DX hasn't  shipped yet, except for a few units for reviewers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The DX has n't shipped yet , except for a few units for reviewers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The DX hasn't  shipped yet, except for a few units for reviewers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28581997</id>
	<title>democratic censorship</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246739280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>did that post make you feel any better?</p><p>If you want to see modding tyranny in action, try digg.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>did that post make you feel any better ? If you want to see modding tyranny in action , try digg.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>did that post make you feel any better?If you want to see modding tyranny in action, try digg.com</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572977</id>
	<title>$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246643760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I'm paying full whack for an e-reader I expect it to support all of the common book formats without prejudice. If the firmware integrates a store or a proprietary format as an extra then fine. This after all is how the iPod sold so well. Apple wisely ensured it played unencrypted MP3s and AACs first and foremost, complete with ripping software. The result was iPods sold through the roof and Apple coined it from integrated iTMS support.
<p>
I just don't understand who is stupid enough to buy a Kindle at full price considering how crippled it is. The device should be subsidized to reflect its proprietary nature or the software should be opened up to make it more useful. FFS even Sony (a company not exactly known for embracing standards) has a more open reader that costs less.
</p><p>
Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats, proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon. One would think it is in their interest to come up with and dictate a single book format, one which all readers can implement, one which all stores can sell books with. It sounds obvious but a single format would level the playing field and catapult ebooks into the mainstream.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I 'm paying full whack for an e-reader I expect it to support all of the common book formats without prejudice .
If the firmware integrates a store or a proprietary format as an extra then fine .
This after all is how the iPod sold so well .
Apple wisely ensured it played unencrypted MP3s and AACs first and foremost , complete with ripping software .
The result was iPods sold through the roof and Apple coined it from integrated iTMS support .
I just do n't understand who is stupid enough to buy a Kindle at full price considering how crippled it is .
The device should be subsidized to reflect its proprietary nature or the software should be opened up to make it more useful .
FFS even Sony ( a company not exactly known for embracing standards ) has a more open reader that costs less .
Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats , proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon .
One would think it is in their interest to come up with and dictate a single book format , one which all readers can implement , one which all stores can sell books with .
It sounds obvious but a single format would level the playing field and catapult ebooks into the mainstream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I'm paying full whack for an e-reader I expect it to support all of the common book formats without prejudice.
If the firmware integrates a store or a proprietary format as an extra then fine.
This after all is how the iPod sold so well.
Apple wisely ensured it played unencrypted MP3s and AACs first and foremost, complete with ripping software.
The result was iPods sold through the roof and Apple coined it from integrated iTMS support.
I just don't understand who is stupid enough to buy a Kindle at full price considering how crippled it is.
The device should be subsidized to reflect its proprietary nature or the software should be opened up to make it more useful.
FFS even Sony (a company not exactly known for embracing standards) has a more open reader that costs less.
Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats, proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon.
One would think it is in their interest to come up with and dictate a single book format, one which all readers can implement, one which all stores can sell books with.
It sounds obvious but a single format would level the playing field and catapult ebooks into the mainstream.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573595</id>
	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>brteag00</author>
	<datestamp>1246647660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If there was a "standard" eBook format, then I would agree with you.  As much as there is one, though, it seems to be the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mobi / mobipocket format - which the DX reads as well.  Actually, the Amazon<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.azw format is just the the mobipocket format with a different extension and a single bit flipped in the header.

And then there's PDF support for full-page formatted documents, which works well (if subject to a few limitations as noted further up in the thread.)  Frankly, I love my DX - it was expensive but I fully intend to get $500 of use out of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If there was a " standard " eBook format , then I would agree with you .
As much as there is one , though , it seems to be the .mobi / mobipocket format - which the DX reads as well .
Actually , the Amazon .azw format is just the the mobipocket format with a different extension and a single bit flipped in the header .
And then there 's PDF support for full-page formatted documents , which works well ( if subject to a few limitations as noted further up in the thread .
) Frankly , I love my DX - it was expensive but I fully intend to get $ 500 of use out of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there was a "standard" eBook format, then I would agree with you.
As much as there is one, though, it seems to be the .mobi / mobipocket format - which the DX reads as well.
Actually, the Amazon .azw format is just the the mobipocket format with a different extension and a single bit flipped in the header.
And then there's PDF support for full-page formatted documents, which works well (if subject to a few limitations as noted further up in the thread.
)  Frankly, I love my DX - it was expensive but I fully intend to get $500 of use out of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573097</id>
	<title>For Me It's Not Worth The Money</title>
	<author>Randwulf</author>
	<datestamp>1246644480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do not own a Kindle DX and I never plan to buy one, either.

I have pre-ordered an Always Innovating Touch Book: <a href="http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/" title="alwaysinnovating.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/</a> [alwaysinnovating.com]
Based on what I've read on their site it can do a whole bunch more of what I'm personally looking for.
Philosophically, it appeals to me more because the software and hardware are open source.
Technologically, it appeals to me because I plan to tinker with it.
Also, I've downloaded a bunch of free books from the net to see how it works as an ebook reader.

This is my opinion. YMMV.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do not own a Kindle DX and I never plan to buy one , either .
I have pre-ordered an Always Innovating Touch Book : http : //www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ [ alwaysinnovating.com ] Based on what I 've read on their site it can do a whole bunch more of what I 'm personally looking for .
Philosophically , it appeals to me more because the software and hardware are open source .
Technologically , it appeals to me because I plan to tinker with it .
Also , I 've downloaded a bunch of free books from the net to see how it works as an ebook reader .
This is my opinion .
YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do not own a Kindle DX and I never plan to buy one, either.
I have pre-ordered an Always Innovating Touch Book: http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ [alwaysinnovating.com]
Based on what I've read on their site it can do a whole bunch more of what I'm personally looking for.
Philosophically, it appeals to me more because the software and hardware are open source.
Technologically, it appeals to me because I plan to tinker with it.
Also, I've downloaded a bunch of free books from the net to see how it works as an ebook reader.
This is my opinion.
YMMV.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28578195</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246648680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If I want to lend someone an ebook I simply email it to them. This means I can lend any book to anyone I know, anywhere in the world within seconds.</p></div><p>Unless you bought it from Amazon. And almost all of your advantages are also met by my aging Palm T3, its only missing the e-Ink display but is, nevertheless, quite comfortable for reading long books. Plus its much cheaper and does a lot more stuff, like playing chess or listening to music<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I want to lend someone an ebook I simply email it to them .
This means I can lend any book to anyone I know , anywhere in the world within seconds.Unless you bought it from Amazon .
And almost all of your advantages are also met by my aging Palm T3 , its only missing the e-Ink display but is , nevertheless , quite comfortable for reading long books .
Plus its much cheaper and does a lot more stuff , like playing chess or listening to music ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I want to lend someone an ebook I simply email it to them.
This means I can lend any book to anyone I know, anywhere in the world within seconds.Unless you bought it from Amazon.
And almost all of your advantages are also met by my aging Palm T3, its only missing the e-Ink display but is, nevertheless, quite comfortable for reading long books.
Plus its much cheaper and does a lot more stuff, like playing chess or listening to music ;)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573475</id>
	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>Huntred</author>
	<datestamp>1246646820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I just don't understand who is stupid enough to buy a Kindle at full price considering how crippled it is.</p> </div><p>The first step towards your understanding, if you are really interested, should be to consider the idea that other people have different priorities than you instead of just writing them off as stupid.</p><p>To start, you may want to read some of the comments around yours to see some of the clear, well-reasoned and easy to understand points posted by authors as to why the Kindle works well for them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just do n't understand who is stupid enough to buy a Kindle at full price considering how crippled it is .
The first step towards your understanding , if you are really interested , should be to consider the idea that other people have different priorities than you instead of just writing them off as stupid.To start , you may want to read some of the comments around yours to see some of the clear , well-reasoned and easy to understand points posted by authors as to why the Kindle works well for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just don't understand who is stupid enough to buy a Kindle at full price considering how crippled it is.
The first step towards your understanding, if you are really interested, should be to consider the idea that other people have different priorities than you instead of just writing them off as stupid.To start, you may want to read some of the comments around yours to see some of the clear, well-reasoned and easy to understand points posted by authors as to why the Kindle works well for them.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573941</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Tweenk</author>
	<datestamp>1246649940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because a laptop screen can't be read from any angle.</p></div><p>Nowadays laptops and even standalone monitors have shitty screens. Look at a HP TC1100 someday for true LCD glory. Viewable for any angle with no color degradation and very slight brightness changes. When I went to a store I was very surprised that almost all modern screens are inferior compared to this 4 year old thing.</p><p>Of course it is different from an e-ink screen. For example, it's not too bright when viewed in direct sunlight. But overall if you can buy a cheap used TC1100 it makes for a great ebook reader (because you can detach the keyboard) and graphic tablet. It works well with Linux too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because a laptop screen ca n't be read from any angle.Nowadays laptops and even standalone monitors have shitty screens .
Look at a HP TC1100 someday for true LCD glory .
Viewable for any angle with no color degradation and very slight brightness changes .
When I went to a store I was very surprised that almost all modern screens are inferior compared to this 4 year old thing.Of course it is different from an e-ink screen .
For example , it 's not too bright when viewed in direct sunlight .
But overall if you can buy a cheap used TC1100 it makes for a great ebook reader ( because you can detach the keyboard ) and graphic tablet .
It works well with Linux too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because a laptop screen can't be read from any angle.Nowadays laptops and even standalone monitors have shitty screens.
Look at a HP TC1100 someday for true LCD glory.
Viewable for any angle with no color degradation and very slight brightness changes.
When I went to a store I was very surprised that almost all modern screens are inferior compared to this 4 year old thing.Of course it is different from an e-ink screen.
For example, it's not too bright when viewed in direct sunlight.
But overall if you can buy a cheap used TC1100 it makes for a great ebook reader (because you can detach the keyboard) and graphic tablet.
It works well with Linux too.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573319</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1246645920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The RIAA do not approve your use of the word lend in that sentence. Clearly you meant aiding and abetting first degree piracy against the crown in an act of sedition.<br> <br>Seriously though. Is 'lending' as easy as you say while using legit sources? I'm sure with torrented books it will be wonderful. However, it does sound like a great way to store all books ever written in your living room.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The RIAA do not approve your use of the word lend in that sentence .
Clearly you meant aiding and abetting first degree piracy against the crown in an act of sedition .
Seriously though .
Is 'lending ' as easy as you say while using legit sources ?
I 'm sure with torrented books it will be wonderful .
However , it does sound like a great way to store all books ever written in your living room .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The RIAA do not approve your use of the word lend in that sentence.
Clearly you meant aiding and abetting first degree piracy against the crown in an act of sedition.
Seriously though.
Is 'lending' as easy as you say while using legit sources?
I'm sure with torrented books it will be wonderful.
However, it does sound like a great way to store all books ever written in your living room.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574653</id>
	<title>Kindle relative costs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246612380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a huge backlog of pdfs that I've been meaning to get to, somewhere on the order of 15,000-20,000 pages of articles, white papers, tutorials and documentation.</p><p>Personally, I can't stand reading on computer screens for long periods of time. So for larger documents I will either print it out or not read it at all.</p><p>I actually looked into doing some bulk printing at kinkos, but it is not cost effective. You get a discount on per page price after 1000 sheets, but even with the discount, printing everything out at kinkos would be substantially more expensive that getting a kindle dx, and would be a short term solution that would not scale.</p><p>As far as the $500 price tag goes, its cheaper than printing at kinkos, and its more expensive than a cheap laptop, but reading on laptop screens doesn't work for me, so I don't really see a comparable product in the same price range. At the same time, the $500 price tag ($700 with associated costs as pointed out) is the only reason I don't have a kindle dx. Convincing the wife that I need an expensive toy to read books when I already have books to read hasn't gone over so well, but in the long term I see it as the best, most portable, most scalable solution to reading and storing the huge amount of pdfs I have on my reading list. And its 'Green' to boot, gotta save those trees!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a huge backlog of pdfs that I 've been meaning to get to , somewhere on the order of 15,000-20,000 pages of articles , white papers , tutorials and documentation.Personally , I ca n't stand reading on computer screens for long periods of time .
So for larger documents I will either print it out or not read it at all.I actually looked into doing some bulk printing at kinkos , but it is not cost effective .
You get a discount on per page price after 1000 sheets , but even with the discount , printing everything out at kinkos would be substantially more expensive that getting a kindle dx , and would be a short term solution that would not scale.As far as the $ 500 price tag goes , its cheaper than printing at kinkos , and its more expensive than a cheap laptop , but reading on laptop screens does n't work for me , so I do n't really see a comparable product in the same price range .
At the same time , the $ 500 price tag ( $ 700 with associated costs as pointed out ) is the only reason I do n't have a kindle dx .
Convincing the wife that I need an expensive toy to read books when I already have books to read has n't gone over so well , but in the long term I see it as the best , most portable , most scalable solution to reading and storing the huge amount of pdfs I have on my reading list .
And its 'Green ' to boot , got ta save those trees !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a huge backlog of pdfs that I've been meaning to get to, somewhere on the order of 15,000-20,000 pages of articles, white papers, tutorials and documentation.Personally, I can't stand reading on computer screens for long periods of time.
So for larger documents I will either print it out or not read it at all.I actually looked into doing some bulk printing at kinkos, but it is not cost effective.
You get a discount on per page price after 1000 sheets, but even with the discount, printing everything out at kinkos would be substantially more expensive that getting a kindle dx, and would be a short term solution that would not scale.As far as the $500 price tag goes, its cheaper than printing at kinkos, and its more expensive than a cheap laptop, but reading on laptop screens doesn't work for me, so I don't really see a comparable product in the same price range.
At the same time, the $500 price tag ($700 with associated costs as pointed out) is the only reason I don't have a kindle dx.
Convincing the wife that I need an expensive toy to read books when I already have books to read hasn't gone over so well, but in the long term I see it as the best, most portable, most scalable solution to reading and storing the huge amount of pdfs I have on my reading list.
And its 'Green' to boot, gotta save those trees!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28578455</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Inconnux</author>
	<datestamp>1246739580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because a kindle is only a black and white text reader???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because a kindle is only a black and white text reader ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because a kindle is only a black and white text reader??
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573469</id>
	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1246646820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Kindle 2 supports a large number of e-book formats and it is possible to convert some more to the pretty common<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mobi format.  I have run a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.LIT (Sony) to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mobi format conversion myself (free program) and the results were very good.  The DX supports the same formats, plus PDF in a limited way.</p><p>The problem wtih PDF is that it is a page description langauge where the page layout has already been determined.  OK, so how do you transform a generic PDF to a different page format?  Short answer is, you do not.  If the PDF consists of nothing but text, you might be able to extract the text and throw everything else away, but this works for such a limited number of PDFs that the Kindle developers chose not to even try.</p><p>So, the common on the DX is that if the PDF page fits on the screen and is readable like that, wonderful.  Otherwise, it isn't going to be very pretty.  A significantly better approach for the Kindle 2 is to convert the PDF to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mobi form and allow the device to display the text and illustrations as best it can, with text scaling and full reformatting.  Does this work for all PDFs?  No.  PDF was designed as a page description language, not a e-book format and it does a very poor job of being an e-book format.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Kindle 2 supports a large number of e-book formats and it is possible to convert some more to the pretty common .mobi format .
I have run a .LIT ( Sony ) to .mobi format conversion myself ( free program ) and the results were very good .
The DX supports the same formats , plus PDF in a limited way.The problem wtih PDF is that it is a page description langauge where the page layout has already been determined .
OK , so how do you transform a generic PDF to a different page format ?
Short answer is , you do not .
If the PDF consists of nothing but text , you might be able to extract the text and throw everything else away , but this works for such a limited number of PDFs that the Kindle developers chose not to even try.So , the common on the DX is that if the PDF page fits on the screen and is readable like that , wonderful .
Otherwise , it is n't going to be very pretty .
A significantly better approach for the Kindle 2 is to convert the PDF to .mobi form and allow the device to display the text and illustrations as best it can , with text scaling and full reformatting .
Does this work for all PDFs ?
No. PDF was designed as a page description language , not a e-book format and it does a very poor job of being an e-book format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Kindle 2 supports a large number of e-book formats and it is possible to convert some more to the pretty common .mobi format.
I have run a .LIT (Sony) to .mobi format conversion myself (free program) and the results were very good.
The DX supports the same formats, plus PDF in a limited way.The problem wtih PDF is that it is a page description langauge where the page layout has already been determined.
OK, so how do you transform a generic PDF to a different page format?
Short answer is, you do not.
If the PDF consists of nothing but text, you might be able to extract the text and throw everything else away, but this works for such a limited number of PDFs that the Kindle developers chose not to even try.So, the common on the DX is that if the PDF page fits on the screen and is readable like that, wonderful.
Otherwise, it isn't going to be very pretty.
A significantly better approach for the Kindle 2 is to convert the PDF to .mobi form and allow the device to display the text and illustrations as best it can, with text scaling and full reformatting.
Does this work for all PDFs?
No.  PDF was designed as a page description language, not a e-book format and it does a very poor job of being an e-book format.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>demachina</author>
	<datestamp>1246650420000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>"Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats, proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon."</p><p>Even less fathomable is why you need "publishers" once you fully reach the ebook era.  The only necessary roll they play in the system is to publish books on dead trees.  Good authors could easily start going direct to ebooks and completely cut publishers out of the system as long as they are willing to go without a dead tree version of their books.</p><p>Publishers play a roll in filtering out the crap but they also filter out stuff none of them like but at least a niche audience might find interesting.  They play a roll in promotion which may still be necessary but in the Internet era probably isn't as importance as it once was.</p><p>Publishers are about as useful in the digital age as record companies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats , proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon .
" Even less fathomable is why you need " publishers " once you fully reach the ebook era .
The only necessary roll they play in the system is to publish books on dead trees .
Good authors could easily start going direct to ebooks and completely cut publishers out of the system as long as they are willing to go without a dead tree version of their books.Publishers play a roll in filtering out the crap but they also filter out stuff none of them like but at least a niche audience might find interesting .
They play a roll in promotion which may still be necessary but in the Internet era probably is n't as importance as it once was.Publishers are about as useful in the digital age as record companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats, proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon.
"Even less fathomable is why you need "publishers" once you fully reach the ebook era.
The only necessary roll they play in the system is to publish books on dead trees.
Good authors could easily start going direct to ebooks and completely cut publishers out of the system as long as they are willing to go without a dead tree version of their books.Publishers play a roll in filtering out the crap but they also filter out stuff none of them like but at least a niche audience might find interesting.
They play a roll in promotion which may still be necessary but in the Internet era probably isn't as importance as it once was.Publishers are about as useful in the digital age as record companies.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>yog</author>
	<datestamp>1246642140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Seriously, a wifi-equipped laptop can be had for less than $400, and with a 15" screen and decent storage, why would someone want a limited, single-purpose crippled laptop such as a Kindle?</p><p>The Kindle would make sense if it were under $100; it would fall into the nice Christmas gift or Father's Day gadget category for someone who has everything.  But for $500?   That's a lot of books.</p><p>You could buy a laptop and download thousands of free books from Gutenberg.org or wherever, and spend the rest on used books and have more than you can ever hope to read.</p><p>Alternatively, you can spend $350-$500 on one of these Amazon gadgets and then have to pay to read books on it.</p><p>I think Amazon should move to the inkjet approach of giving away the initial hardware and then making money on the refills.  I wouldn't mind paying $5-$10 for a new bestseller (as long as it didn't crash/timeout and disappear on me) but the initial investment is rather daunting.</p><p>Plus, physical books are kinda cool; they don't need to be recharged, you can drop them from amazing heights and they still work, they're infinitely reusable and lendable, and they effortlessly multitask--leave one in the bathroom, one on the nightstand, one in the car, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , a wifi-equipped laptop can be had for less than $ 400 , and with a 15 " screen and decent storage , why would someone want a limited , single-purpose crippled laptop such as a Kindle ? The Kindle would make sense if it were under $ 100 ; it would fall into the nice Christmas gift or Father 's Day gadget category for someone who has everything .
But for $ 500 ?
That 's a lot of books.You could buy a laptop and download thousands of free books from Gutenberg.org or wherever , and spend the rest on used books and have more than you can ever hope to read.Alternatively , you can spend $ 350- $ 500 on one of these Amazon gadgets and then have to pay to read books on it.I think Amazon should move to the inkjet approach of giving away the initial hardware and then making money on the refills .
I would n't mind paying $ 5- $ 10 for a new bestseller ( as long as it did n't crash/timeout and disappear on me ) but the initial investment is rather daunting.Plus , physical books are kinda cool ; they do n't need to be recharged , you can drop them from amazing heights and they still work , they 're infinitely reusable and lendable , and they effortlessly multitask--leave one in the bathroom , one on the nightstand , one in the car , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, a wifi-equipped laptop can be had for less than $400, and with a 15" screen and decent storage, why would someone want a limited, single-purpose crippled laptop such as a Kindle?The Kindle would make sense if it were under $100; it would fall into the nice Christmas gift or Father's Day gadget category for someone who has everything.
But for $500?
That's a lot of books.You could buy a laptop and download thousands of free books from Gutenberg.org or wherever, and spend the rest on used books and have more than you can ever hope to read.Alternatively, you can spend $350-$500 on one of these Amazon gadgets and then have to pay to read books on it.I think Amazon should move to the inkjet approach of giving away the initial hardware and then making money on the refills.
I wouldn't mind paying $5-$10 for a new bestseller (as long as it didn't crash/timeout and disappear on me) but the initial investment is rather daunting.Plus, physical books are kinda cool; they don't need to be recharged, you can drop them from amazing heights and they still work, they're infinitely reusable and lendable, and they effortlessly multitask--leave one in the bathroom, one on the nightstand, one in the car, etc.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>MBoffin</author>
	<datestamp>1246643940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Why not a laptop, you ask?</p><p>Because a laptop battery doesn't last for two weeks.<br>Because a laptop screen can't be read from any angle.<br>Because a laptop is much heavier than a Kindle.<br>Because a laptop doesn't have always-on, free Internet access.</p><p>Because a laptop is not a book reader.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not a laptop , you ask ? Because a laptop battery does n't last for two weeks.Because a laptop screen ca n't be read from any angle.Because a laptop is much heavier than a Kindle.Because a laptop does n't have always-on , free Internet access.Because a laptop is not a book reader .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not a laptop, you ask?Because a laptop battery doesn't last for two weeks.Because a laptop screen can't be read from any angle.Because a laptop is much heavier than a Kindle.Because a laptop doesn't have always-on, free Internet access.Because a laptop is not a book reader.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246644120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><b>Disclaimer: I own a KindleDX and am incredibly happy with it.</b></p><p>you have a lot of good points, but there are some things that you fail to recognize:</p><p>For one, the size and weight of books. For a casual reader, the KindleDX is overkill. It's large, expensive and the benefits don't outweigh the hassles (recharging, fragility, etc). For those of us that have large libraries of tech books, the KindleDX allows us to store our <b>entire bookshelf</b> on a single device that takes up less room and weighs significantly less than a single book.</p><p>This brings me to my second point: The Kindles (an ebook readers in general) have better displays for reading large quantities of text. It's easier on the eyes than a laptop. Also, for those of us that use mass transit to commute and don't always have a seat, a laptop is not an option. Have you ever tried to stand up in a crowded subway and use a laptop? Even sitting down and using the laptop is a pain. Laptop battery life is also significantly worse than the Kindle's--my kindle hasn't needed to be charged a single time since I got it nearly 3 weeks ago. It also beats out the laptop because you can travel light with it; you don't need to carry a laptop bag. All you need is the device, and since it doesn't require frequent charging, you don't even need to bring the charger (USB cable) with it.</p><p>Third point: When using ebooks for reference (or following a tutorial in the book) while you're doing work on the laptop, it's nice to have a separate device. This was one reason why I stuck to buying physical books rather than purchasing PDFs exclusively.</p><p>So, while $700 (KindleDX + tax + shipping + 2 year warranty + sleeve) is quite a steep price to pay, for those of us that will use it a lot, it's worth the price. If I wasn't in such need for the solution, I would have held off a year or so and waited for it to come down in price or for a cheaper solution to be released.</p><p>My coworker picked up the Sony PRS-700 a couple months ago and he's mostly very satisfied. It was around $375 + tax, but has a significantly smaller screen. Although it's got a touchscreen, the touchiness is kinda flakey and it's got some weird glare because of the touch surface. Also, PDF support in the thing is mediocre--the zoom sucks and it really needs a larger screen.</p><p>I was going to hold out for the PlasticLogic (http://www.plasticlogic.com/) but I was hoping for something that I could get real books on, too. Since I really liked the Kindle (my dad picked one up last year) and the features that come with it (cellular websurfing/wikipedia/wireless book delivery and books that you can buy FROM the device), I opted for the DX.</p><p>Like I said, the DX isn't for everyone. It's pretty big and it's expensive, but I feel that I'm definitely getting my money's worth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disclaimer : I own a KindleDX and am incredibly happy with it.you have a lot of good points , but there are some things that you fail to recognize : For one , the size and weight of books .
For a casual reader , the KindleDX is overkill .
It 's large , expensive and the benefits do n't outweigh the hassles ( recharging , fragility , etc ) .
For those of us that have large libraries of tech books , the KindleDX allows us to store our entire bookshelf on a single device that takes up less room and weighs significantly less than a single book.This brings me to my second point : The Kindles ( an ebook readers in general ) have better displays for reading large quantities of text .
It 's easier on the eyes than a laptop .
Also , for those of us that use mass transit to commute and do n't always have a seat , a laptop is not an option .
Have you ever tried to stand up in a crowded subway and use a laptop ?
Even sitting down and using the laptop is a pain .
Laptop battery life is also significantly worse than the Kindle 's--my kindle has n't needed to be charged a single time since I got it nearly 3 weeks ago .
It also beats out the laptop because you can travel light with it ; you do n't need to carry a laptop bag .
All you need is the device , and since it does n't require frequent charging , you do n't even need to bring the charger ( USB cable ) with it.Third point : When using ebooks for reference ( or following a tutorial in the book ) while you 're doing work on the laptop , it 's nice to have a separate device .
This was one reason why I stuck to buying physical books rather than purchasing PDFs exclusively.So , while $ 700 ( KindleDX + tax + shipping + 2 year warranty + sleeve ) is quite a steep price to pay , for those of us that will use it a lot , it 's worth the price .
If I was n't in such need for the solution , I would have held off a year or so and waited for it to come down in price or for a cheaper solution to be released.My coworker picked up the Sony PRS-700 a couple months ago and he 's mostly very satisfied .
It was around $ 375 + tax , but has a significantly smaller screen .
Although it 's got a touchscreen , the touchiness is kinda flakey and it 's got some weird glare because of the touch surface .
Also , PDF support in the thing is mediocre--the zoom sucks and it really needs a larger screen.I was going to hold out for the PlasticLogic ( http : //www.plasticlogic.com/ ) but I was hoping for something that I could get real books on , too .
Since I really liked the Kindle ( my dad picked one up last year ) and the features that come with it ( cellular websurfing/wikipedia/wireless book delivery and books that you can buy FROM the device ) , I opted for the DX.Like I said , the DX is n't for everyone .
It 's pretty big and it 's expensive , but I feel that I 'm definitely getting my money 's worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disclaimer: I own a KindleDX and am incredibly happy with it.you have a lot of good points, but there are some things that you fail to recognize:For one, the size and weight of books.
For a casual reader, the KindleDX is overkill.
It's large, expensive and the benefits don't outweigh the hassles (recharging, fragility, etc).
For those of us that have large libraries of tech books, the KindleDX allows us to store our entire bookshelf on a single device that takes up less room and weighs significantly less than a single book.This brings me to my second point: The Kindles (an ebook readers in general) have better displays for reading large quantities of text.
It's easier on the eyes than a laptop.
Also, for those of us that use mass transit to commute and don't always have a seat, a laptop is not an option.
Have you ever tried to stand up in a crowded subway and use a laptop?
Even sitting down and using the laptop is a pain.
Laptop battery life is also significantly worse than the Kindle's--my kindle hasn't needed to be charged a single time since I got it nearly 3 weeks ago.
It also beats out the laptop because you can travel light with it; you don't need to carry a laptop bag.
All you need is the device, and since it doesn't require frequent charging, you don't even need to bring the charger (USB cable) with it.Third point: When using ebooks for reference (or following a tutorial in the book) while you're doing work on the laptop, it's nice to have a separate device.
This was one reason why I stuck to buying physical books rather than purchasing PDFs exclusively.So, while $700 (KindleDX + tax + shipping + 2 year warranty + sleeve) is quite a steep price to pay, for those of us that will use it a lot, it's worth the price.
If I wasn't in such need for the solution, I would have held off a year or so and waited for it to come down in price or for a cheaper solution to be released.My coworker picked up the Sony PRS-700 a couple months ago and he's mostly very satisfied.
It was around $375 + tax, but has a significantly smaller screen.
Although it's got a touchscreen, the touchiness is kinda flakey and it's got some weird glare because of the touch surface.
Also, PDF support in the thing is mediocre--the zoom sucks and it really needs a larger screen.I was going to hold out for the PlasticLogic (http://www.plasticlogic.com/) but I was hoping for something that I could get real books on, too.
Since I really liked the Kindle (my dad picked one up last year) and the features that come with it (cellular websurfing/wikipedia/wireless book delivery and books that you can buy FROM the device), I opted for the DX.Like I said, the DX isn't for everyone.
It's pretty big and it's expensive, but I feel that I'm definitely getting my money's worth.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>N7DR</author>
	<datestamp>1246646100000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats, proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon. One would think it is in their interest to come up with and dictate a single book format, one which all readers can implement, one which all stores can sell books with. It sounds obvious but a single format would level the playing field and catapult ebooks into the mainstream.</p></div><p>While one hears a lot about the Kindle (most US people who are even aware of the existence of e-book readers generally believe that the Kindle is the only one on the market), but once one digs through the hype to try to see what's actually happening in the industry, the situation is very different.</p><p>All the entities with interests in the classical publishing industry (meaning, mostly, authors, agents, and "classical" publishers) are thoroughly unsure how best to prepare for the tidal wave that is now in its early stages. There are lots of ways it could go, and most of the players are trying to cover as many possible outcomes as possible; no one that I know of is betting the farm on any particular outcome. So you'll see entities supporting the Kindle (if they're willing to agree to Amazon's (draconian, IMHO) contract) but they are generally aware of the dangers of turning Amazon into a monopoly; so you'll also see support for other readers (personally, I'm a fan of the Sony so far, but if they implement some kind of "publishers must pay to list a book on our store" policy, they will struggle to be more than a bit player eventually).</p><p>There are plenty of other possibilities too. Maybe we'll see more publishers creating their own online stores. Maybe more authors will do the same thing (depending on what contracts the authors are willing to sign anent digital rights). Maybe e-books will simply not take off (unlikely, I suspect, at least for some kinds of books). The whole "how does the author get paid if the marginal cost to generate a copy is zero" issue is the elephant in the room. Again, there are several possible answers, but which one(s) will prevail is anyone's guess at the moment.</p><p>In short, it's all in huge flux, and everyone right now is just trying to survive until things begin to be a bit clearer.</p><p>Just my opinion, of course. But I am a writer and publisher. On the other hand, I inhabit slashdot, so you know how much that means my opinion is worth.</p><p>Sorry I wandered a bit off topic.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats , proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon .
One would think it is in their interest to come up with and dictate a single book format , one which all readers can implement , one which all stores can sell books with .
It sounds obvious but a single format would level the playing field and catapult ebooks into the mainstream.While one hears a lot about the Kindle ( most US people who are even aware of the existence of e-book readers generally believe that the Kindle is the only one on the market ) , but once one digs through the hype to try to see what 's actually happening in the industry , the situation is very different.All the entities with interests in the classical publishing industry ( meaning , mostly , authors , agents , and " classical " publishers ) are thoroughly unsure how best to prepare for the tidal wave that is now in its early stages .
There are lots of ways it could go , and most of the players are trying to cover as many possible outcomes as possible ; no one that I know of is betting the farm on any particular outcome .
So you 'll see entities supporting the Kindle ( if they 're willing to agree to Amazon 's ( draconian , IMHO ) contract ) but they are generally aware of the dangers of turning Amazon into a monopoly ; so you 'll also see support for other readers ( personally , I 'm a fan of the Sony so far , but if they implement some kind of " publishers must pay to list a book on our store " policy , they will struggle to be more than a bit player eventually ) .There are plenty of other possibilities too .
Maybe we 'll see more publishers creating their own online stores .
Maybe more authors will do the same thing ( depending on what contracts the authors are willing to sign anent digital rights ) .
Maybe e-books will simply not take off ( unlikely , I suspect , at least for some kinds of books ) .
The whole " how does the author get paid if the marginal cost to generate a copy is zero " issue is the elephant in the room .
Again , there are several possible answers , but which one ( s ) will prevail is anyone 's guess at the moment.In short , it 's all in huge flux , and everyone right now is just trying to survive until things begin to be a bit clearer.Just my opinion , of course .
But I am a writer and publisher .
On the other hand , I inhabit slashdot , so you know how much that means my opinion is worth.Sorry I wandered a bit off topic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even less fathomable is why publishers are letting the ebook market degenerate into competing formats, proprietary readers and possible market dominance by Amazon.
One would think it is in their interest to come up with and dictate a single book format, one which all readers can implement, one which all stores can sell books with.
It sounds obvious but a single format would level the playing field and catapult ebooks into the mainstream.While one hears a lot about the Kindle (most US people who are even aware of the existence of e-book readers generally believe that the Kindle is the only one on the market), but once one digs through the hype to try to see what's actually happening in the industry, the situation is very different.All the entities with interests in the classical publishing industry (meaning, mostly, authors, agents, and "classical" publishers) are thoroughly unsure how best to prepare for the tidal wave that is now in its early stages.
There are lots of ways it could go, and most of the players are trying to cover as many possible outcomes as possible; no one that I know of is betting the farm on any particular outcome.
So you'll see entities supporting the Kindle (if they're willing to agree to Amazon's (draconian, IMHO) contract) but they are generally aware of the dangers of turning Amazon into a monopoly; so you'll also see support for other readers (personally, I'm a fan of the Sony so far, but if they implement some kind of "publishers must pay to list a book on our store" policy, they will struggle to be more than a bit player eventually).There are plenty of other possibilities too.
Maybe we'll see more publishers creating their own online stores.
Maybe more authors will do the same thing (depending on what contracts the authors are willing to sign anent digital rights).
Maybe e-books will simply not take off (unlikely, I suspect, at least for some kinds of books).
The whole "how does the author get paid if the marginal cost to generate a copy is zero" issue is the elephant in the room.
Again, there are several possible answers, but which one(s) will prevail is anyone's guess at the moment.In short, it's all in huge flux, and everyone right now is just trying to survive until things begin to be a bit clearer.Just my opinion, of course.
But I am a writer and publisher.
On the other hand, I inhabit slashdot, so you know how much that means my opinion is worth.Sorry I wandered a bit off topic.
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	<title>Re:Why not a laptop? INKJET APPROACH BAD BUS</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1246649820000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I think Amazon should move to the inkjet approach of giving away the initial hardware and then making money on the refills. I wouldn't mind paying $5-$10 for a new bestseller (as long as it didn't crash/timeout and disappear on me) but the initial investment is rather daunting.</p></div></blockquote><p>
This would really prove a drag on Amazon profitability.<br> <br>
Currently with Kindle books (in my somewhat informed information) Amazon takes approximately 40\% of the list price of the book as their profit, and any discount from list comes our of their 40\% profit. The publisher/author receive the other 60\%.  Out of the 40\% Amazon pays for all setup costs and listing costs, storage of the Kindle book on their server, wireless bandwidth to deliver it, any payment fees from credit card/Paypal purchases, the cost of maintaining the website, paying their employees, showing a profit, and keeping the lights on.<br> <br>
Now in addition to that you want them to give away an expensive piece of hardware at a huge loss, hardware that people can quite usefully use without ever buying Kindle book from Amazon. The numbers just don't add up.<br> <br>
If I were running Amazon (and if it were still in business after being run by me), the way I'd discount the Kindle would be to keep the price at where people are willing to buy all that they are already producing and offer a coupon with it worth, say, $75 in the Kindle store. Amazon would recoup some of that coupon value out of their profit percent when used, it would introduce the buyer into how easy shopping at Amazon can be, and some people would never use it costing Amazon nothing from them.<br> <br>
But for now, as long as Kindle continues to sell I fail to see why Amazon should reduce the price a single cent. That's Business!</p></div>
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<tokenext>I think Amazon should move to the inkjet approach of giving away the initial hardware and then making money on the refills .
I would n't mind paying $ 5- $ 10 for a new bestseller ( as long as it did n't crash/timeout and disappear on me ) but the initial investment is rather daunting .
This would really prove a drag on Amazon profitability .
Currently with Kindle books ( in my somewhat informed information ) Amazon takes approximately 40 \ % of the list price of the book as their profit , and any discount from list comes our of their 40 \ % profit .
The publisher/author receive the other 60 \ % .
Out of the 40 \ % Amazon pays for all setup costs and listing costs , storage of the Kindle book on their server , wireless bandwidth to deliver it , any payment fees from credit card/Paypal purchases , the cost of maintaining the website , paying their employees , showing a profit , and keeping the lights on .
Now in addition to that you want them to give away an expensive piece of hardware at a huge loss , hardware that people can quite usefully use without ever buying Kindle book from Amazon .
The numbers just do n't add up .
If I were running Amazon ( and if it were still in business after being run by me ) , the way I 'd discount the Kindle would be to keep the price at where people are willing to buy all that they are already producing and offer a coupon with it worth , say , $ 75 in the Kindle store .
Amazon would recoup some of that coupon value out of their profit percent when used , it would introduce the buyer into how easy shopping at Amazon can be , and some people would never use it costing Amazon nothing from them .
But for now , as long as Kindle continues to sell I fail to see why Amazon should reduce the price a single cent .
That 's Business !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Amazon should move to the inkjet approach of giving away the initial hardware and then making money on the refills.
I wouldn't mind paying $5-$10 for a new bestseller (as long as it didn't crash/timeout and disappear on me) but the initial investment is rather daunting.
This would really prove a drag on Amazon profitability.
Currently with Kindle books (in my somewhat informed information) Amazon takes approximately 40\% of the list price of the book as their profit, and any discount from list comes our of their 40\% profit.
The publisher/author receive the other 60\%.
Out of the 40\% Amazon pays for all setup costs and listing costs, storage of the Kindle book on their server, wireless bandwidth to deliver it, any payment fees from credit card/Paypal purchases, the cost of maintaining the website, paying their employees, showing a profit, and keeping the lights on.
Now in addition to that you want them to give away an expensive piece of hardware at a huge loss, hardware that people can quite usefully use without ever buying Kindle book from Amazon.
The numbers just don't add up.
If I were running Amazon (and if it were still in business after being run by me), the way I'd discount the Kindle would be to keep the price at where people are willing to buy all that they are already producing and offer a coupon with it worth, say, $75 in the Kindle store.
Amazon would recoup some of that coupon value out of their profit percent when used, it would introduce the buyer into how easy shopping at Amazon can be, and some people would never use it costing Amazon nothing from them.
But for now, as long as Kindle continues to sell I fail to see why Amazon should reduce the price a single cent.
That's Business!
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	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>\_Swank</author>
	<datestamp>1246716240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But the original article is asking mostly about using this to read academic papers.</p><p>If that's the case, doesn't the small size of the Palm (or other handheld device) cause problems?  With academic papers often containing graphs, tables, images, etc. won't these potentially have a difficult time being shown on the handheld screen in enough detail along with the explanatory text to be as easily readable?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the original article is asking mostly about using this to read academic papers.If that 's the case , does n't the small size of the Palm ( or other handheld device ) cause problems ?
With academic papers often containing graphs , tables , images , etc .
wo n't these potentially have a difficult time being shown on the handheld screen in enough detail along with the explanatory text to be as easily readable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the original article is asking mostly about using this to read academic papers.If that's the case, doesn't the small size of the Palm (or other handheld device) cause problems?
With academic papers often containing graphs, tables, images, etc.
won't these potentially have a difficult time being shown on the handheld screen in enough detail along with the explanatory text to be as easily readable?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28576303</id>
	<title>Re:$500 is way too much no matter how good it is</title>
	<author>Icaarus</author>
	<datestamp>1246625940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Careful, I think you are confusing publishers with printing houses. The publisher (read or imprint of a major publishing house) is responsible for the final edit, cover design, distribution methods, typesetting, methods and size of publicity campaign and about a thousand other things I am forgetting. Some publishers own their own printing houses, others farm out, but either way there is a difference. As for 'independent' books, I will never, ever buy a book that has not been guaranteed to be edited. That would be like paying for alpha software. Publishers are a necessary evil, and the sooner they learn to adapt to the next evolution of literature distribution, (hopefully adopting e-pub) the happier I'll be. <br> <br>

As for the niche publishing thing, there are two reasons why a publisher chooses to not publish a 'good' niche book. The first is lack of perceived interest, if only 10 people are going to read it what's the point? The second is that it does not fit the publisher's image. Image is actually important, if I am going though a store, looking for a new author, and I see Tor I will probably give it a try, if I see Harlequin, probably not. I know of at least one person that would be the exact opposite of this, ao publisher's retaining their niche is just as important as active publicity. Back to the point about the lack of interest. If they are not printing anything then the significant incurred costs are in manpower, and not materials, so in fact we will see more publishers take risks with pushing out more ultra-niche titles as the industry transitions. <br> <br>

In the future I hope to go to a publisher's website, buy and download a couple of books, and upload them onto my e-reader, knowing that X\% of my $$ is going to the author, upfront (preferably something like 45\% and another 15\% to the editor). <br> <br>

One final note, I was looking for a review on the DX, not a debate on whether the e-readers are worth it. I already know they are worth it for me, the question is the DX worth it for me. So I say Slashdot Fail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Careful , I think you are confusing publishers with printing houses .
The publisher ( read or imprint of a major publishing house ) is responsible for the final edit , cover design , distribution methods , typesetting , methods and size of publicity campaign and about a thousand other things I am forgetting .
Some publishers own their own printing houses , others farm out , but either way there is a difference .
As for 'independent ' books , I will never , ever buy a book that has not been guaranteed to be edited .
That would be like paying for alpha software .
Publishers are a necessary evil , and the sooner they learn to adapt to the next evolution of literature distribution , ( hopefully adopting e-pub ) the happier I 'll be .
As for the niche publishing thing , there are two reasons why a publisher chooses to not publish a 'good ' niche book .
The first is lack of perceived interest , if only 10 people are going to read it what 's the point ?
The second is that it does not fit the publisher 's image .
Image is actually important , if I am going though a store , looking for a new author , and I see Tor I will probably give it a try , if I see Harlequin , probably not .
I know of at least one person that would be the exact opposite of this , ao publisher 's retaining their niche is just as important as active publicity .
Back to the point about the lack of interest .
If they are not printing anything then the significant incurred costs are in manpower , and not materials , so in fact we will see more publishers take risks with pushing out more ultra-niche titles as the industry transitions .
In the future I hope to go to a publisher 's website , buy and download a couple of books , and upload them onto my e-reader , knowing that X \ % of my $ $ is going to the author , upfront ( preferably something like 45 \ % and another 15 \ % to the editor ) .
One final note , I was looking for a review on the DX , not a debate on whether the e-readers are worth it .
I already know they are worth it for me , the question is the DX worth it for me .
So I say Slashdot Fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Careful, I think you are confusing publishers with printing houses.
The publisher (read or imprint of a major publishing house) is responsible for the final edit, cover design, distribution methods, typesetting, methods and size of publicity campaign and about a thousand other things I am forgetting.
Some publishers own their own printing houses, others farm out, but either way there is a difference.
As for 'independent' books, I will never, ever buy a book that has not been guaranteed to be edited.
That would be like paying for alpha software.
Publishers are a necessary evil, and the sooner they learn to adapt to the next evolution of literature distribution, (hopefully adopting e-pub) the happier I'll be.
As for the niche publishing thing, there are two reasons why a publisher chooses to not publish a 'good' niche book.
The first is lack of perceived interest, if only 10 people are going to read it what's the point?
The second is that it does not fit the publisher's image.
Image is actually important, if I am going though a store, looking for a new author, and I see Tor I will probably give it a try, if I see Harlequin, probably not.
I know of at least one person that would be the exact opposite of this, ao publisher's retaining their niche is just as important as active publicity.
Back to the point about the lack of interest.
If they are not printing anything then the significant incurred costs are in manpower, and not materials, so in fact we will see more publishers take risks with pushing out more ultra-niche titles as the industry transitions.
In the future I hope to go to a publisher's website, buy and download a couple of books, and upload them onto my e-reader, knowing that X\% of my $$ is going to the author, upfront (preferably something like 45\% and another 15\% to the editor).
One final note, I was looking for a review on the DX, not a debate on whether the e-readers are worth it.
I already know they are worth it for me, the question is the DX worth it for me.
So I say Slashdot Fail.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573673</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246648260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the Kindle were actually like that, it would be wonderful, but I'm pretty sure you can't email your books around. E-ink is great, but the Kindle is too expensive, its books are too expensive, and I'm not going to deal with a company that puts limits on what I purchase.</p><p>I am waiting to see what Google does. I think that they are the only possible company that has the inclination and sheer might to give us an e-book reader and content that is reader friendly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the Kindle were actually like that , it would be wonderful , but I 'm pretty sure you ca n't email your books around .
E-ink is great , but the Kindle is too expensive , its books are too expensive , and I 'm not going to deal with a company that puts limits on what I purchase.I am waiting to see what Google does .
I think that they are the only possible company that has the inclination and sheer might to give us an e-book reader and content that is reader friendly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the Kindle were actually like that, it would be wonderful, but I'm pretty sure you can't email your books around.
E-ink is great, but the Kindle is too expensive, its books are too expensive, and I'm not going to deal with a company that puts limits on what I purchase.I am waiting to see what Google does.
I think that they are the only possible company that has the inclination and sheer might to give us an e-book reader and content that is reader friendly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574321</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1246653000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Books also don't mysteriously vanish when the publisher goes out of business.</p><p>But if Amazon's DRM servers ever go down, all your eBooks go with it!</p><p>I know, I know... "What are the chances of Amazon going down?"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... well, slim to nil. But what are the chances of them deciding to shut off their DRM servers to save money, in 15 years? I bet those odds are much higher.</p><p>PlaysForSure? Uh huh! Burn me once and I'll learn!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Books also do n't mysteriously vanish when the publisher goes out of business.But if Amazon 's DRM servers ever go down , all your eBooks go with it ! I know , I know... " What are the chances of Amazon going down ?
" ... well , slim to nil .
But what are the chances of them deciding to shut off their DRM servers to save money , in 15 years ?
I bet those odds are much higher.PlaysForSure ?
Uh huh !
Burn me once and I 'll learn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Books also don't mysteriously vanish when the publisher goes out of business.But if Amazon's DRM servers ever go down, all your eBooks go with it!I know, I know... "What are the chances of Amazon going down?
" ... well, slim to nil.
But what are the chances of them deciding to shut off their DRM servers to save money, in 15 years?
I bet those odds are much higher.PlaysForSure?
Uh huh!
Burn me once and I'll learn!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574009</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>dave\_leigh</author>
	<datestamp>1246650660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those are good answers to the question "why not a laptop?" but it still doesn't answer whether the Kindle is worth the money. It isn't.</p><p>For around a hundred bucks I got a Palm T|X.  It's better than the Kindle for most purposes, and I have an extra $400 for books. Benefits of the Palm....<br>- it easily fits in a pocket.<br>- it can be read in pitch-black darkness (the Kindle can't), and the battery easily lasts long enough to read an entire book. Longer if I turn off the wi-fi and Bluetooth when I'm not using it.<br>- it easily fits in a pocket.<br>- supports multiple formats, including plain text, doc, eReader, pdf...<br>- it easily fits in a pocket.<br>- it also allows me to take notes, use a calculator, track my appointments, read email, search Google, play games, and listen to music. I can carry SDRAM cards.<br>- it easily fits in a pocket.</p><p>A Kindle is big, clunky, and underpowered by comparison. The Palm has a smaller screen, as you can expect (did I mention it fits easily in a pocket?). The iPhone is likewise better than the Kindle for the same reason. We're not comparing these devices to books, so your statements here are puzzling. You can search on a laptop, or PDA as well. You're going to carry a phone anyway... why not make it an iPhone or Palm Pre that gives you the connectivity, convenience and the capability you want without having to lug an expensive and frankly redundant bit of limited electronics like the Kindle?</p><p>As for the eBooks, they can be gotten in all the same places. I personally make my own books in eReader's PDB format from public domain works on Project Gutenberg. Some authors are releasing their works under Creative Commons licenses. They cost me nothing and I can give them away (never mind the lending). And there is that $400 I saved... it amounts to 40 books in the Amazon store or more than that elsewhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those are good answers to the question " why not a laptop ?
" but it still does n't answer whether the Kindle is worth the money .
It is n't.For around a hundred bucks I got a Palm T | X .
It 's better than the Kindle for most purposes , and I have an extra $ 400 for books .
Benefits of the Palm....- it easily fits in a pocket.- it can be read in pitch-black darkness ( the Kindle ca n't ) , and the battery easily lasts long enough to read an entire book .
Longer if I turn off the wi-fi and Bluetooth when I 'm not using it.- it easily fits in a pocket.- supports multiple formats , including plain text , doc , eReader , pdf...- it easily fits in a pocket.- it also allows me to take notes , use a calculator , track my appointments , read email , search Google , play games , and listen to music .
I can carry SDRAM cards.- it easily fits in a pocket.A Kindle is big , clunky , and underpowered by comparison .
The Palm has a smaller screen , as you can expect ( did I mention it fits easily in a pocket ? ) .
The iPhone is likewise better than the Kindle for the same reason .
We 're not comparing these devices to books , so your statements here are puzzling .
You can search on a laptop , or PDA as well .
You 're going to carry a phone anyway... why not make it an iPhone or Palm Pre that gives you the connectivity , convenience and the capability you want without having to lug an expensive and frankly redundant bit of limited electronics like the Kindle ? As for the eBooks , they can be gotten in all the same places .
I personally make my own books in eReader 's PDB format from public domain works on Project Gutenberg .
Some authors are releasing their works under Creative Commons licenses .
They cost me nothing and I can give them away ( never mind the lending ) .
And there is that $ 400 I saved... it amounts to 40 books in the Amazon store or more than that elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those are good answers to the question "why not a laptop?
" but it still doesn't answer whether the Kindle is worth the money.
It isn't.For around a hundred bucks I got a Palm T|X.
It's better than the Kindle for most purposes, and I have an extra $400 for books.
Benefits of the Palm....- it easily fits in a pocket.- it can be read in pitch-black darkness (the Kindle can't), and the battery easily lasts long enough to read an entire book.
Longer if I turn off the wi-fi and Bluetooth when I'm not using it.- it easily fits in a pocket.- supports multiple formats, including plain text, doc, eReader, pdf...- it easily fits in a pocket.- it also allows me to take notes, use a calculator, track my appointments, read email, search Google, play games, and listen to music.
I can carry SDRAM cards.- it easily fits in a pocket.A Kindle is big, clunky, and underpowered by comparison.
The Palm has a smaller screen, as you can expect (did I mention it fits easily in a pocket?).
The iPhone is likewise better than the Kindle for the same reason.
We're not comparing these devices to books, so your statements here are puzzling.
You can search on a laptop, or PDA as well.
You're going to carry a phone anyway... why not make it an iPhone or Palm Pre that gives you the connectivity, convenience and the capability you want without having to lug an expensive and frankly redundant bit of limited electronics like the Kindle?As for the eBooks, they can be gotten in all the same places.
I personally make my own books in eReader's PDB format from public domain works on Project Gutenberg.
Some authors are releasing their works under Creative Commons licenses.
They cost me nothing and I can give them away (never mind the lending).
And there is that $400 I saved... it amounts to 40 books in the Amazon store or more than that elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28578415</id>
	<title>Re:I am happy with the DX, but it isn't for everyo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246738860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jean-Luc drank tea, earl gray, hot...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jean-Luc drank tea , earl gray , hot... : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jean-Luc drank tea, earl gray, hot... :)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28572709</id>
	<title>Math PDFs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246642200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It worked beautifully for the 2-3 higher mathematics PDFs I tried it with. All ot the little set theory symbols were displayed crystal clear. I don't think the screen is as readable as the PRS505's, however it's still good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It worked beautifully for the 2-3 higher mathematics PDFs I tried it with .
All ot the little set theory symbols were displayed crystal clear .
I do n't think the screen is as readable as the PRS505 's , however it 's still good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It worked beautifully for the 2-3 higher mathematics PDFs I tried it with.
All ot the little set theory symbols were displayed crystal clear.
I don't think the screen is as readable as the PRS505's, however it's still good.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574131</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246651620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The newspapers should work out a deal with Amazon where the news customers can buy a Kindle at a subsidized price in return for a 2-3 year subscription to the online version of the paper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The newspapers should work out a deal with Amazon where the news customers can buy a Kindle at a subsidized price in return for a 2-3 year subscription to the online version of the paper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The newspapers should work out a deal with Amazon where the news customers can buy a Kindle at a subsidized price in return for a 2-3 year subscription to the online version of the paper.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28582007</id>
	<title>Re:Math PDFs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246739340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, the PRS505 has the same display as the Kindle. They have been buying them from the same manufacturer. But it does have a different controller and a lower end CPU and less RAM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , the PRS505 has the same display as the Kindle .
They have been buying them from the same manufacturer .
But it does have a different controller and a lower end CPU and less RAM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, the PRS505 has the same display as the Kindle.
They have been buying them from the same manufacturer.
But it does have a different controller and a lower end CPU and less RAM.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28579719</id>
	<title>I quite like the Kindle DX</title>
	<author>admiral201</author>
	<datestamp>1246718580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I purchased the original Kindle a few months after it came out and was supremely underwhelmed. I ended up disliking the DRM (I can't view the books on my computer? I can't print them? I can't sell them to someone else?) and so it became nothing but a glorified New York Times reader. The screen was too small, the page turns too frequent (although they ceased being annoying after about an hour or two of use), and the lack of PDF made it of very limited use.</p><p>For some reason, despite my recommendation to everyone not to buy a Kindle, I nonetheless bought the Kindle DX. I think I just wanted to give Jeff Bezos another try, despite his hypocritical (OK, pragmatic) attitude on DRM.</p><p>The Kindle DX is great. I still won't buy any DRM books from Amazom, but here are the major pluses:</p><ul> <li> <b>PDF works, very, very well.</b> I only found one book so far which wouldn't render - a very pretty, multicolor Organic Chemistry textbook (Original PDF, not scanned PDF).</li><li> <b>The large screen is an absolute joy.</b> It's like reading a hardback with small print, which is just what I like. And, when it's dark or I'm not wearing my glasses, I can up the type size to keep it readable in any situation.</li><li> <b>Newspapers are easier to read</b> than the original Kindle. And, since you are probably like me in that you toss the issues when you're done, not having to do that saves time and effort. It's also a lot easier to read on the subway.</li></ul><p>The Kindle DX does have a few drawbacks from the Kindle v1:</p><ul> <li> <b>No expansion memory or swappable battery.</b> Clearly, following Apple's (poor) lead here.</li><li> <b>Does not automatically save each issue of the New York Times.</b> I have to tell it to keep each issue individually, or it will auto-delete them. It's digital data; I plan to archive it permanently. (I paid for it, after all.)</li><li> <b>Newspapers are locked to a single Kindle.</b> You can't read the NYT on your iPhone and the Kindle, and if you lose the Kindle you have, you can't read the files on another Kindle.</li></ul><p>The bottom line is that the <i>PDF support is the game changer</i>. I have quite a few documents in PDF that are now a joy to read (including my own LaTeX files). Want to read about Sotomayor from the CRS? Download the PDF to the Kindle. Too lazy to read WikiLeaks in Preview (or Reader, etc.)? Read it on the Kindle.</p><p>The other complaints relate to price. Amazon does not sell a "Print + Kindle" book bundle for a reasonable price (say a buck or so above print price), although I think they should. I would buy everything that way if I had the choice. Additionally, the Kindle book prices are way too high. $7.99 for a print book, or $7.99 for a Kindle book? Really? Even $9.99 (their "bestseller hardcover" price) is too much for a book you are basically renting until Amazon decides to cancel your account (which they have done, and causes you to lose access to all your books once your Kindle breaks). And there is no way I'm going to pay more than that for a technical/physics/chemistry book (which are the majority of my purchases from a dollar perspective if not volume).</p><p>Still, if only for the PDF, larger screen and and New York Times ($14/month Kindle vs. about $30/mo print), I finally actually like the Kindle and recommend the DX to anyone else who would avoid buying any Kindle books from Amazon.</p><p>Cheers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I purchased the original Kindle a few months after it came out and was supremely underwhelmed .
I ended up disliking the DRM ( I ca n't view the books on my computer ?
I ca n't print them ?
I ca n't sell them to someone else ?
) and so it became nothing but a glorified New York Times reader .
The screen was too small , the page turns too frequent ( although they ceased being annoying after about an hour or two of use ) , and the lack of PDF made it of very limited use.For some reason , despite my recommendation to everyone not to buy a Kindle , I nonetheless bought the Kindle DX .
I think I just wanted to give Jeff Bezos another try , despite his hypocritical ( OK , pragmatic ) attitude on DRM.The Kindle DX is great .
I still wo n't buy any DRM books from Amazom , but here are the major pluses : PDF works , very , very well .
I only found one book so far which would n't render - a very pretty , multicolor Organic Chemistry textbook ( Original PDF , not scanned PDF ) .
The large screen is an absolute joy .
It 's like reading a hardback with small print , which is just what I like .
And , when it 's dark or I 'm not wearing my glasses , I can up the type size to keep it readable in any situation .
Newspapers are easier to read than the original Kindle .
And , since you are probably like me in that you toss the issues when you 're done , not having to do that saves time and effort .
It 's also a lot easier to read on the subway.The Kindle DX does have a few drawbacks from the Kindle v1 : No expansion memory or swappable battery .
Clearly , following Apple 's ( poor ) lead here .
Does not automatically save each issue of the New York Times .
I have to tell it to keep each issue individually , or it will auto-delete them .
It 's digital data ; I plan to archive it permanently .
( I paid for it , after all .
) Newspapers are locked to a single Kindle .
You ca n't read the NYT on your iPhone and the Kindle , and if you lose the Kindle you have , you ca n't read the files on another Kindle.The bottom line is that the PDF support is the game changer .
I have quite a few documents in PDF that are now a joy to read ( including my own LaTeX files ) .
Want to read about Sotomayor from the CRS ?
Download the PDF to the Kindle .
Too lazy to read WikiLeaks in Preview ( or Reader , etc. ) ?
Read it on the Kindle.The other complaints relate to price .
Amazon does not sell a " Print + Kindle " book bundle for a reasonable price ( say a buck or so above print price ) , although I think they should .
I would buy everything that way if I had the choice .
Additionally , the Kindle book prices are way too high .
$ 7.99 for a print book , or $ 7.99 for a Kindle book ?
Really ? Even $ 9.99 ( their " bestseller hardcover " price ) is too much for a book you are basically renting until Amazon decides to cancel your account ( which they have done , and causes you to lose access to all your books once your Kindle breaks ) .
And there is no way I 'm going to pay more than that for a technical/physics/chemistry book ( which are the majority of my purchases from a dollar perspective if not volume ) .Still , if only for the PDF , larger screen and and New York Times ( $ 14/month Kindle vs. about $ 30/mo print ) , I finally actually like the Kindle and recommend the DX to anyone else who would avoid buying any Kindle books from Amazon.Cheers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I purchased the original Kindle a few months after it came out and was supremely underwhelmed.
I ended up disliking the DRM (I can't view the books on my computer?
I can't print them?
I can't sell them to someone else?
) and so it became nothing but a glorified New York Times reader.
The screen was too small, the page turns too frequent (although they ceased being annoying after about an hour or two of use), and the lack of PDF made it of very limited use.For some reason, despite my recommendation to everyone not to buy a Kindle, I nonetheless bought the Kindle DX.
I think I just wanted to give Jeff Bezos another try, despite his hypocritical (OK, pragmatic) attitude on DRM.The Kindle DX is great.
I still won't buy any DRM books from Amazom, but here are the major pluses:  PDF works, very, very well.
I only found one book so far which wouldn't render - a very pretty, multicolor Organic Chemistry textbook (Original PDF, not scanned PDF).
The large screen is an absolute joy.
It's like reading a hardback with small print, which is just what I like.
And, when it's dark or I'm not wearing my glasses, I can up the type size to keep it readable in any situation.
Newspapers are easier to read than the original Kindle.
And, since you are probably like me in that you toss the issues when you're done, not having to do that saves time and effort.
It's also a lot easier to read on the subway.The Kindle DX does have a few drawbacks from the Kindle v1:  No expansion memory or swappable battery.
Clearly, following Apple's (poor) lead here.
Does not automatically save each issue of the New York Times.
I have to tell it to keep each issue individually, or it will auto-delete them.
It's digital data; I plan to archive it permanently.
(I paid for it, after all.
) Newspapers are locked to a single Kindle.
You can't read the NYT on your iPhone and the Kindle, and if you lose the Kindle you have, you can't read the files on another Kindle.The bottom line is that the PDF support is the game changer.
I have quite a few documents in PDF that are now a joy to read (including my own LaTeX files).
Want to read about Sotomayor from the CRS?
Download the PDF to the Kindle.
Too lazy to read WikiLeaks in Preview (or Reader, etc.)?
Read it on the Kindle.The other complaints relate to price.
Amazon does not sell a "Print + Kindle" book bundle for a reasonable price (say a buck or so above print price), although I think they should.
I would buy everything that way if I had the choice.
Additionally, the Kindle book prices are way too high.
$7.99 for a print book, or $7.99 for a Kindle book?
Really? Even $9.99 (their "bestseller hardcover" price) is too much for a book you are basically renting until Amazon decides to cancel your account (which they have done, and causes you to lose access to all your books once your Kindle breaks).
And there is no way I'm going to pay more than that for a technical/physics/chemistry book (which are the majority of my purchases from a dollar perspective if not volume).Still, if only for the PDF, larger screen and and New York Times ($14/month Kindle vs. about $30/mo print), I finally actually like the Kindle and recommend the DX to anyone else who would avoid buying any Kindle books from Amazon.Cheers!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28578463</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1246739760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Laptops don't have e-ink displays</p></div> </blockquote><p>Oh, my kingdom for even a 10fps e-ink display (with, I guess, an indiglo backlight of some sort for pitch-black situations) on a laptop. 15" e-ink laptop? Yes, please. Actually that tech would wonderfully compliment a netbook or something like an ancient Psion 5 or something inbetween, coming full circle on the PDA front. I wouldn't mind an e-ink 22" LCD for work. Oh yes, that would do wonderfully.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Laptops do n't have e-ink displays Oh , my kingdom for even a 10fps e-ink display ( with , I guess , an indiglo backlight of some sort for pitch-black situations ) on a laptop .
15 " e-ink laptop ?
Yes , please .
Actually that tech would wonderfully compliment a netbook or something like an ancient Psion 5 or something inbetween , coming full circle on the PDA front .
I would n't mind an e-ink 22 " LCD for work .
Oh yes , that would do wonderfully .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Laptops don't have e-ink displays Oh, my kingdom for even a 10fps e-ink display (with, I guess, an indiglo backlight of some sort for pitch-black situations) on a laptop.
15" e-ink laptop?
Yes, please.
Actually that tech would wonderfully compliment a netbook or something like an ancient Psion 5 or something inbetween, coming full circle on the PDA front.
I wouldn't mind an e-ink 22" LCD for work.
Oh yes, that would do wonderfully.
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	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1246619160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <b>Disclaimer: I own a KindleDX...</b> </p></div><p>Well, I guess I'll just have to ignore everything you have to say about the KindleDX then.  You see Slashdot analysis is like geometry. It relies on pure reason, rather than mere sensory experience which has been known to be misleading.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Disclaimer : I own a KindleDX... Well , I guess I 'll just have to ignore everything you have to say about the KindleDX then .
You see Slashdot analysis is like geometry .
It relies on pure reason , rather than mere sensory experience which has been known to be misleading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Disclaimer: I own a KindleDX... Well, I guess I'll just have to ignore everything you have to say about the KindleDX then.
You see Slashdot analysis is like geometry.
It relies on pure reason, rather than mere sensory experience which has been known to be misleading.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28575249</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246616640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The DX can't read PDF... I'm not sure what the parent is talking about.  You have to convert the files to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mobi first.  There are some online tools that are supposed to work pretty well for that, the one I know of that runs on your system (calibre) has issues with adding images to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.mobi files.</p><p>As far as the OPs question goes, I think it depends on how much you want the free net connection.  If thats necessary for you, the DX is the better reader, if you don't need that though, go with a different cheaper reader, such as the Sony PRS series (which has a the font size control for pdfs that the parent was complaining about lacking) more supported file formats, and removable storage if you need to have a lot of books with you at once.</p><p>I'd probably recommend the PRS-700 for academic purposes since it has notation tools to mark your academic papers, and the PRS zoom tool is suitable for reading things that have columns in the format, even for scans or cups-pdf output (remember to zoom out when looking at charts though).</p><p>There might be a better reader still for your purposes, I only really know the kindle and PRS models.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The DX ca n't read PDF... I 'm not sure what the parent is talking about .
You have to convert the files to .mobi first .
There are some online tools that are supposed to work pretty well for that , the one I know of that runs on your system ( calibre ) has issues with adding images to .mobi files.As far as the OPs question goes , I think it depends on how much you want the free net connection .
If thats necessary for you , the DX is the better reader , if you do n't need that though , go with a different cheaper reader , such as the Sony PRS series ( which has a the font size control for pdfs that the parent was complaining about lacking ) more supported file formats , and removable storage if you need to have a lot of books with you at once.I 'd probably recommend the PRS-700 for academic purposes since it has notation tools to mark your academic papers , and the PRS zoom tool is suitable for reading things that have columns in the format , even for scans or cups-pdf output ( remember to zoom out when looking at charts though ) .There might be a better reader still for your purposes , I only really know the kindle and PRS models .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The DX can't read PDF... I'm not sure what the parent is talking about.
You have to convert the files to .mobi first.
There are some online tools that are supposed to work pretty well for that, the one I know of that runs on your system (calibre) has issues with adding images to .mobi files.As far as the OPs question goes, I think it depends on how much you want the free net connection.
If thats necessary for you, the DX is the better reader, if you don't need that though, go with a different cheaper reader, such as the Sony PRS series (which has a the font size control for pdfs that the parent was complaining about lacking) more supported file formats, and removable storage if you need to have a lot of books with you at once.I'd probably recommend the PRS-700 for academic purposes since it has notation tools to mark your academic papers, and the PRS zoom tool is suitable for reading things that have columns in the format, even for scans or cups-pdf output (remember to zoom out when looking at charts though).There might be a better reader still for your purposes, I only really know the kindle and PRS models.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I am happy with the DX, but it isn't for everyo</title>
	<author>JamochasWitness</author>
	<datestamp>1246737360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Another con regarding the web browser, and I think it's a BIG ONE:</p><p>It doesn't appear to handle cookies correctly during redirects (HTTP 3xx).  Since a lot of login sites use this technique, they simply do not work with the kindle browser, and this includes most webmail (including outlook varieties).  gmail.com seems to work OK, but I think they are using javascript cookies during login.  I was extremely disappointed with this limitation.  But, as others mentioned, this device is for reading text, not surfing, and I like it well enough to keep it, regardless.  I've heard from other owners that login sites used to work (i.e., cookies were handled correctly)... I wonder if this is just a new bug, or worse, it was introduced intentionally!  BTW, facebook sort of works if you login with the HTTP option; but the cookies don't stick which means you often have to re-login whenever you post status updates or comments, which is very annoying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another con regarding the web browser , and I think it 's a BIG ONE : It does n't appear to handle cookies correctly during redirects ( HTTP 3xx ) .
Since a lot of login sites use this technique , they simply do not work with the kindle browser , and this includes most webmail ( including outlook varieties ) .
gmail.com seems to work OK , but I think they are using javascript cookies during login .
I was extremely disappointed with this limitation .
But , as others mentioned , this device is for reading text , not surfing , and I like it well enough to keep it , regardless .
I 've heard from other owners that login sites used to work ( i.e. , cookies were handled correctly ) ... I wonder if this is just a new bug , or worse , it was introduced intentionally !
BTW , facebook sort of works if you login with the HTTP option ; but the cookies do n't stick which means you often have to re-login whenever you post status updates or comments , which is very annoying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another con regarding the web browser, and I think it's a BIG ONE:It doesn't appear to handle cookies correctly during redirects (HTTP 3xx).
Since a lot of login sites use this technique, they simply do not work with the kindle browser, and this includes most webmail (including outlook varieties).
gmail.com seems to work OK, but I think they are using javascript cookies during login.
I was extremely disappointed with this limitation.
But, as others mentioned, this device is for reading text, not surfing, and I like it well enough to keep it, regardless.
I've heard from other owners that login sites used to work (i.e., cookies were handled correctly)... I wonder if this is just a new bug, or worse, it was introduced intentionally!
BTW, facebook sort of works if you login with the HTTP option; but the cookies don't stick which means you often have to re-login whenever you post status updates or comments, which is very annoying.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28573317</id>
	<title>Engadget's Review</title>
	<author>digitalderbs</author>
	<datestamp>1246645920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Engadget has a nice <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/kindle-dx-review/" title="engadget.com">review.</a> [engadget.com] I was considering selling my Kindle 2 to get a DX -- I'm an academic who reads many multi-column PDFs -- but apparently the DX doesn't do this well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:<blockquote><div><p>Another puzzling design choice involves PDF support. For the most part it works well with standard size pages, but there's no zoom, so you're stuck with however the DX decides to display your file -- the only way to get things bigger is to switch to landscape. Since not all PDF pages fit on the screen, that means you often end up with a weird jumble of page breaks and cut-off content -- it's easy to totally lose the structure of a document or slide deck after a while.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

It sounds like reading multi-columnar PDFs would be aggravating.If your PDF isn't multicolumnar, it's better suited for reformatting using Amazon's free PDF conversion service -- and these work on the Kindle 2.<br> <br>

They also complain about a hyper-sensitive orientation sensor, and an awkward keyboard.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Engadget has a nice review .
[ engadget.com ] I was considering selling my Kindle 2 to get a DX -- I 'm an academic who reads many multi-column PDFs -- but apparently the DX does n't do this well : Another puzzling design choice involves PDF support .
For the most part it works well with standard size pages , but there 's no zoom , so you 're stuck with however the DX decides to display your file -- the only way to get things bigger is to switch to landscape .
Since not all PDF pages fit on the screen , that means you often end up with a weird jumble of page breaks and cut-off content -- it 's easy to totally lose the structure of a document or slide deck after a while .
It sounds like reading multi-columnar PDFs would be aggravating.If your PDF is n't multicolumnar , it 's better suited for reformatting using Amazon 's free PDF conversion service -- and these work on the Kindle 2 .
They also complain about a hyper-sensitive orientation sensor , and an awkward keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Engadget has a nice review.
[engadget.com] I was considering selling my Kindle 2 to get a DX -- I'm an academic who reads many multi-column PDFs -- but apparently the DX doesn't do this well :Another puzzling design choice involves PDF support.
For the most part it works well with standard size pages, but there's no zoom, so you're stuck with however the DX decides to display your file -- the only way to get things bigger is to switch to landscape.
Since not all PDF pages fit on the screen, that means you often end up with a weird jumble of page breaks and cut-off content -- it's easy to totally lose the structure of a document or slide deck after a while.
It sounds like reading multi-columnar PDFs would be aggravating.If your PDF isn't multicolumnar, it's better suited for reformatting using Amazon's free PDF conversion service -- and these work on the Kindle 2.
They also complain about a hyper-sensitive orientation sensor, and an awkward keyboard.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28574157</id>
	<title>Re:Why not a laptop?</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1246651860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>...I generally figure about 2 hours to read a standard novel.</i> <br> <br>You're obviously not married. I only have to open a novel and my wife starts flapping her mouth. (Even if she herself is supposedly reading something.) I count it a quiet night if I manage half a paragraph without being interrupted...</htmltext>
<tokenext>...I generally figure about 2 hours to read a standard novel .
You 're obviously not married .
I only have to open a novel and my wife starts flapping her mouth .
( Even if she herself is supposedly reading something .
) I count it a quiet night if I manage half a paragraph without being interrupted.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I generally figure about 2 hours to read a standard novel.
You're obviously not married.
I only have to open a novel and my wife starts flapping her mouth.
(Even if she herself is supposedly reading something.
) I count it a quiet night if I manage half a paragraph without being interrupted...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1548247.28575251</id>
	<title>Versus a netbook with rotated display ?</title>
	<author>knorthern knight</author>
	<datestamp>1246616640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people agree that reading a document in landscape mode is difficult.  The linux command "xrandr" allows you to rotate the displayed image on the screen, although you do need to set a virtual window.  E.g. on an EEE set a virtual display to 600x1024, viewport 1024x600, and then rotate the image to the left or right, and it should fill the entire screen.  I assume something similar can be done with Windows.  This handles the landscape/portrait issue.</p><p>With Adobe, and xpdf in linux and Foxit in Windows, PDF support is much better, including zoom to fit page, or zoom in on small sections.  You can get a screen size that suits you, from 9" to 11.6" netbooks for under $500.  Plus you have a fully functional netbook.  Battery life and reding in direct sunlight are the only problems I see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people agree that reading a document in landscape mode is difficult .
The linux command " xrandr " allows you to rotate the displayed image on the screen , although you do need to set a virtual window .
E.g. on an EEE set a virtual display to 600x1024 , viewport 1024x600 , and then rotate the image to the left or right , and it should fill the entire screen .
I assume something similar can be done with Windows .
This handles the landscape/portrait issue.With Adobe , and xpdf in linux and Foxit in Windows , PDF support is much better , including zoom to fit page , or zoom in on small sections .
You can get a screen size that suits you , from 9 " to 11.6 " netbooks for under $ 500 .
Plus you have a fully functional netbook .
Battery life and reding in direct sunlight are the only problems I see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people agree that reading a document in landscape mode is difficult.
The linux command "xrandr" allows you to rotate the displayed image on the screen, although you do need to set a virtual window.
E.g. on an EEE set a virtual display to 600x1024, viewport 1024x600, and then rotate the image to the left or right, and it should fill the entire screen.
I assume something similar can be done with Windows.
This handles the landscape/portrait issue.With Adobe, and xpdf in linux and Foxit in Windows, PDF support is much better, including zoom to fit page, or zoom in on small sections.
You can get a screen size that suits you, from 9" to 11.6" netbooks for under $500.
Plus you have a fully functional netbook.
Battery life and reding in direct sunlight are the only problems I see.</sentencetext>
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