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	<title>FDA Considers Banning Acetaminophen-Based Pain Killers</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1246553820000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.spinalcordresources.com/" rel="nofollow">Greg George</a> writes <i>"The FDA has determined that Tylenol enhancing pain killers are dangerous enough to <a href="http://www.philly.com/philly/business/homepage/20090702\_Painkillers\_at\_a\_crossroads\_as\_FDA\_decision\_looms.html">potentially be pulled from the market</a>. Drugs including Vicodin, Hydrocodone, Lortab, Maxidone, Norco, Zydone, Tylenol with codeine, Percocet, Endocet, and Darvocet may be permanently banned from the US market, even if the patient has a prescription from a doctor.  The problem is the key ingredient &mdash; acetaminophen &mdash; can easily damage or destroy a patient's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day. In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol, you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Greg George writes " The FDA has determined that Tylenol enhancing pain killers are dangerous enough to potentially be pulled from the market .
Drugs including Vicodin , Hydrocodone , Lortab , Maxidone , Norco , Zydone , Tylenol with codeine , Percocet , Endocet , and Darvocet may be permanently banned from the US market , even if the patient has a prescription from a doctor .
The problem is the key ingredient    acetaminophen    can easily damage or destroy a patient 's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day .
In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol , you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day .
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<sentencetext>Greg George writes "The FDA has determined that Tylenol enhancing pain killers are dangerous enough to potentially be pulled from the market.
Drugs including Vicodin, Hydrocodone, Lortab, Maxidone, Norco, Zydone, Tylenol with codeine, Percocet, Endocet, and Darvocet may be permanently banned from the US market, even if the patient has a prescription from a doctor.
The problem is the key ingredient — acetaminophen — can easily damage or destroy a patient's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day.
In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol, you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560617</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Craig Davison</author>
	<datestamp>1246560000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>One of the reasons that drug companies put acetaminophen in things like hydrocodone and dextropropoxyphene in the first place is because they make it more difficult (ironically) to overdose on or use recreationally.</p></div></blockquote><p>Of course, instead of the intended effect of less drug abuse, we now have more liver failures, at a higher societal cost. This is the same thinking that has people opposed to clean needles programs - does less clean needles mean people will inject less? No, actually they will still inject, and they will have a higher chance of contracting Hepatitis or HIV.</p></div>
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<tokenext>One of the reasons that drug companies put acetaminophen in things like hydrocodone and dextropropoxyphene in the first place is because they make it more difficult ( ironically ) to overdose on or use recreationally.Of course , instead of the intended effect of less drug abuse , we now have more liver failures , at a higher societal cost .
This is the same thinking that has people opposed to clean needles programs - does less clean needles mean people will inject less ?
No , actually they will still inject , and they will have a higher chance of contracting Hepatitis or HIV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the reasons that drug companies put acetaminophen in things like hydrocodone and dextropropoxyphene in the first place is because they make it more difficult (ironically) to overdose on or use recreationally.Of course, instead of the intended effect of less drug abuse, we now have more liver failures, at a higher societal cost.
This is the same thinking that has people opposed to clean needles programs - does less clean needles mean people will inject less?
No, actually they will still inject, and they will have a higher chance of contracting Hepatitis or HIV.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560107</id>
	<title>My iPhone burned my hand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I had better stock up on some of this shit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I had better stock up on some of this shit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I had better stock up on some of this shit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560119</id>
	<title>Hey this is good.</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1246558560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a bottle of 1000 acetaminophen sitting right here... Maybe it's time to stock up as I love the black market in my nanny state of America.</p><p>If you can't be bothered with the fact that taking more of a drug than perscribed can hurt you than one of the following is true.</p><p>1. You are in such pain that you don't give a fuck (your doctor should have gave you better drugs but the DEA would kill him)<br>2. You really are just taking the shit to get high and are dumb and thus should die.<br>3. ???<br>4. Profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a bottle of 1000 acetaminophen sitting right here... Maybe it 's time to stock up as I love the black market in my nanny state of America.If you ca n't be bothered with the fact that taking more of a drug than perscribed can hurt you than one of the following is true.1 .
You are in such pain that you do n't give a fuck ( your doctor should have gave you better drugs but the DEA would kill him ) 2 .
You really are just taking the shit to get high and are dumb and thus should die.3 .
? ? ? 4. Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a bottle of 1000 acetaminophen sitting right here... Maybe it's time to stock up as I love the black market in my nanny state of America.If you can't be bothered with the fact that taking more of a drug than perscribed can hurt you than one of the following is true.1.
You are in such pain that you don't give a fuck (your doctor should have gave you better drugs but the DEA would kill him)2.
You really are just taking the shit to get high and are dumb and thus should die.3.
???4. Profit!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28628081</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247046300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While liver failure causes nausea, that is not what's going on for you. Opioids cause nausea. More for some than others. I take Lortab 10-500 every day, and I've had IV opioid drugs in hospitals, and I've never gotten nausea from opioids. My girlfriend takes a half of one for a headache and she gets sick. It's not the 250mg of APAP causing liver failure causing nausea, it's the 5mg of hydrocodone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While liver failure causes nausea , that is not what 's going on for you .
Opioids cause nausea .
More for some than others .
I take Lortab 10-500 every day , and I 've had IV opioid drugs in hospitals , and I 've never gotten nausea from opioids .
My girlfriend takes a half of one for a headache and she gets sick .
It 's not the 250mg of APAP causing liver failure causing nausea , it 's the 5mg of hydrocodone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While liver failure causes nausea, that is not what's going on for you.
Opioids cause nausea.
More for some than others.
I take Lortab 10-500 every day, and I've had IV opioid drugs in hospitals, and I've never gotten nausea from opioids.
My girlfriend takes a half of one for a headache and she gets sick.
It's not the 250mg of APAP causing liver failure causing nausea, it's the 5mg of hydrocodone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28569019</id>
	<title>Re:Vicodin?</title>
	<author>dlanod</author>
	<datestamp>1246651560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After flicking through the majority of up-modded comments, it seems that people are missing the main reason the FDA panel is recommended removing these drugs from the market.  Vicodin and drugs like it that combine a opiate painkiller with acetaminophen that are taken long-term require larger doses over time to be as effective as the body builds up resistances (see House as a fairly accurate example).  This results in a high risk of acetaminophen overdose as these larger doses are taken.</p><p>By removing the acetaminophen and just prescribing the base drug, this risk is obviously removed.  This is a \_good thing\_ because acetaminophen overdose is a very very nasty way to die, and surprisingly easy given the lack of any feedback mechanism to indicate you're taking too many.</p><p>I didn't read this TFA, but I read an article on this prior to it making on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After flicking through the majority of up-modded comments , it seems that people are missing the main reason the FDA panel is recommended removing these drugs from the market .
Vicodin and drugs like it that combine a opiate painkiller with acetaminophen that are taken long-term require larger doses over time to be as effective as the body builds up resistances ( see House as a fairly accurate example ) .
This results in a high risk of acetaminophen overdose as these larger doses are taken.By removing the acetaminophen and just prescribing the base drug , this risk is obviously removed .
This is a \ _good thing \ _ because acetaminophen overdose is a very very nasty way to die , and surprisingly easy given the lack of any feedback mechanism to indicate you 're taking too many.I did n't read this TFA , but I read an article on this prior to it making on / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After flicking through the majority of up-modded comments, it seems that people are missing the main reason the FDA panel is recommended removing these drugs from the market.
Vicodin and drugs like it that combine a opiate painkiller with acetaminophen that are taken long-term require larger doses over time to be as effective as the body builds up resistances (see House as a fairly accurate example).
This results in a high risk of acetaminophen overdose as these larger doses are taken.By removing the acetaminophen and just prescribing the base drug, this risk is obviously removed.
This is a \_good thing\_ because acetaminophen overdose is a very very nasty way to die, and surprisingly easy given the lack of any feedback mechanism to indicate you're taking too many.I didn't read this TFA, but I read an article on this prior to it making on /.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28565365</id>
	<title>Paracetmol to the rest of the world</title>
	<author>GumphMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1246533660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For the international audience:this conversation is about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">paracetamol</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>For the international audience : this conversation is about paracetamol [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the international audience:this conversation is about paracetamol [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560841</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246560600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills, instead of banning an effective pain reliever?</i></p><p>No, because there are too many over the counter medications with acetamenophine in them. If you're takinig vicodin for your injury and cough syrup for your cough and then a shot of Nyquil before bed, you may not know that the cough syrup and Nyquil have tylenol in them.</p><p>Better to take the tylenol out of the Vicodin and Nyquil and cough syrup. If theat were the case and you overdosed, then it would be your own fault.</p><p>Darvocets are far less effective than the older Darvons for injuries, because acetameniphine won't reduce swelling while aspirin will. Of course, aspirin is so cheap and easy to make that it isn't the cash cow for the pharm companies, which is why they push the less effective, more dangerous Tylenol.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills , instead of banning an effective pain reliever ? No , because there are too many over the counter medications with acetamenophine in them .
If you 're takinig vicodin for your injury and cough syrup for your cough and then a shot of Nyquil before bed , you may not know that the cough syrup and Nyquil have tylenol in them.Better to take the tylenol out of the Vicodin and Nyquil and cough syrup .
If theat were the case and you overdosed , then it would be your own fault.Darvocets are far less effective than the older Darvons for injuries , because acetameniphine wo n't reduce swelling while aspirin will .
Of course , aspirin is so cheap and easy to make that it is n't the cash cow for the pharm companies , which is why they push the less effective , more dangerous Tylenol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills, instead of banning an effective pain reliever?No, because there are too many over the counter medications with acetamenophine in them.
If you're takinig vicodin for your injury and cough syrup for your cough and then a shot of Nyquil before bed, you may not know that the cough syrup and Nyquil have tylenol in them.Better to take the tylenol out of the Vicodin and Nyquil and cough syrup.
If theat were the case and you overdosed, then it would be your own fault.Darvocets are far less effective than the older Darvons for injuries, because acetameniphine won't reduce swelling while aspirin will.
Of course, aspirin is so cheap and easy to make that it isn't the cash cow for the pharm companies, which is why they push the less effective, more dangerous Tylenol.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561349</id>
	<title>Citation Needed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246562220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think I'll need a citation for this one.  I find the logic suspect that a typical recreational drug user would avoid abusing Oxys out of concern for acetaminophen overdose.</p><p>The article claims that acetaminophen and oxycodone, et al, are packaged together because they act on different pain receptors.  I find this explanation to be far more believable than yours, sorry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I 'll need a citation for this one .
I find the logic suspect that a typical recreational drug user would avoid abusing Oxys out of concern for acetaminophen overdose.The article claims that acetaminophen and oxycodone , et al , are packaged together because they act on different pain receptors .
I find this explanation to be far more believable than yours , sorry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I'll need a citation for this one.
I find the logic suspect that a typical recreational drug user would avoid abusing Oxys out of concern for acetaminophen overdose.The article claims that acetaminophen and oxycodone, et al, are packaged together because they act on different pain receptors.
I find this explanation to be far more believable than yours, sorry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561689</id>
	<title>Re:So too much acetaminophen can kill you?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246563360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If you're too stupid to follow the directions given by your doctor/pharmacy, you deserve a little bit of liver damage.</i></p><p>That was an ironically cruel post, since you confuse ignorance with stupidity and show that ignorance yourself. Death to the stupid? Try reading and comprehending the article. They're not banning tylenol, they're saying don't hide it inside other drugs. If you take a Tylenol for your headache, then a cough medicine (containing acetomenaphine, they all do these days), and an over the counter sleep aid (also which contains it) and have a couple of beers, you're fuX0red.</p><p>A rational person wouldn't guess that all those medicines all contain an ingredient that ruins your liver. When your doctor/pharmacy says "don't take Tylenol with this" does (s)he tell you about all the other over the counter drugs that have Tylenol in them?</p><p><i>Truth be told, in moderation, most things are fine</i></p><p>But not THIS thing. Take moderate amnounts of Tylenol with a moderate amount of alcohol with a moderate amount of a couple of other seemingly different drugs, and you're a dead man.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're too stupid to follow the directions given by your doctor/pharmacy , you deserve a little bit of liver damage.That was an ironically cruel post , since you confuse ignorance with stupidity and show that ignorance yourself .
Death to the stupid ?
Try reading and comprehending the article .
They 're not banning tylenol , they 're saying do n't hide it inside other drugs .
If you take a Tylenol for your headache , then a cough medicine ( containing acetomenaphine , they all do these days ) , and an over the counter sleep aid ( also which contains it ) and have a couple of beers , you 're fuX0red.A rational person would n't guess that all those medicines all contain an ingredient that ruins your liver .
When your doctor/pharmacy says " do n't take Tylenol with this " does ( s ) he tell you about all the other over the counter drugs that have Tylenol in them ? Truth be told , in moderation , most things are fineBut not THIS thing .
Take moderate amnounts of Tylenol with a moderate amount of alcohol with a moderate amount of a couple of other seemingly different drugs , and you 're a dead man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're too stupid to follow the directions given by your doctor/pharmacy, you deserve a little bit of liver damage.That was an ironically cruel post, since you confuse ignorance with stupidity and show that ignorance yourself.
Death to the stupid?
Try reading and comprehending the article.
They're not banning tylenol, they're saying don't hide it inside other drugs.
If you take a Tylenol for your headache, then a cough medicine (containing acetomenaphine, they all do these days), and an over the counter sleep aid (also which contains it) and have a couple of beers, you're fuX0red.A rational person wouldn't guess that all those medicines all contain an ingredient that ruins your liver.
When your doctor/pharmacy says "don't take Tylenol with this" does (s)he tell you about all the other over the counter drugs that have Tylenol in them?Truth be told, in moderation, most things are fineBut not THIS thing.
Take moderate amnounts of Tylenol with a moderate amount of alcohol with a moderate amount of a couple of other seemingly different drugs, and you're a dead man.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560229</id>
	<title>Therapeutic Index</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One problem with the substance is that the doses in which it's effective are so close to the doses in which it's toxic, as mentioned.</p><p>The other problem is that you can take a fatal overdose, and you'll be fine for three days. Then you die very horribly indeed.</p><p>A lot of the time a suicide attempt is the proverbial "cry for help". Someone overdosing on acetaminophen might take their overdose and fall asleep in a tearful puddle, feel emotionally purged and a lot better in the morning. And then discover a few days later that they are the walking dead.</p><p>Most other drugs have the virtue of making you feel ill enough to seek (or attract) medical attention. Some of them you can just literally "sleep off", with enough support.</p><p>That said, it's an excellent drug. Safe, when taken as prescribed, very few side effects, and effective, as evidenced by the enormous number of combination preparations containing it - it reduces the overall dose of opiates that need to be taken and that's a good thing.</p><p>The downside of this profligate mixing with other drugs of course, is that if you're not 100\% clued up on which preparations you are taking, you might take an overdose.</p><p>I'm an ex-doctor. I had no idea that Vicodin contained it until I read TFS. I've never prescribed the stuff though. If I was living in blissful ignorance every time Greg House popped a little blue pill, imagine what the general level of knowledge is amongst Joe Public.</p><p>The tinfoil-hatted part of me thinks that they only mix acetaminophen with opiates to stop junkies abusing them anyway. Who'd be stupid enough to take a fatal overdose of something that doesn't even get you high<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... oh , wait, the general public, after we spent so much time and effort dumbing them down...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One problem with the substance is that the doses in which it 's effective are so close to the doses in which it 's toxic , as mentioned.The other problem is that you can take a fatal overdose , and you 'll be fine for three days .
Then you die very horribly indeed.A lot of the time a suicide attempt is the proverbial " cry for help " .
Someone overdosing on acetaminophen might take their overdose and fall asleep in a tearful puddle , feel emotionally purged and a lot better in the morning .
And then discover a few days later that they are the walking dead.Most other drugs have the virtue of making you feel ill enough to seek ( or attract ) medical attention .
Some of them you can just literally " sleep off " , with enough support.That said , it 's an excellent drug .
Safe , when taken as prescribed , very few side effects , and effective , as evidenced by the enormous number of combination preparations containing it - it reduces the overall dose of opiates that need to be taken and that 's a good thing.The downside of this profligate mixing with other drugs of course , is that if you 're not 100 \ % clued up on which preparations you are taking , you might take an overdose.I 'm an ex-doctor .
I had no idea that Vicodin contained it until I read TFS .
I 've never prescribed the stuff though .
If I was living in blissful ignorance every time Greg House popped a little blue pill , imagine what the general level of knowledge is amongst Joe Public.The tinfoil-hatted part of me thinks that they only mix acetaminophen with opiates to stop junkies abusing them anyway .
Who 'd be stupid enough to take a fatal overdose of something that does n't even get you high ... oh , wait , the general public , after we spent so much time and effort dumbing them down.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem with the substance is that the doses in which it's effective are so close to the doses in which it's toxic, as mentioned.The other problem is that you can take a fatal overdose, and you'll be fine for three days.
Then you die very horribly indeed.A lot of the time a suicide attempt is the proverbial "cry for help".
Someone overdosing on acetaminophen might take their overdose and fall asleep in a tearful puddle, feel emotionally purged and a lot better in the morning.
And then discover a few days later that they are the walking dead.Most other drugs have the virtue of making you feel ill enough to seek (or attract) medical attention.
Some of them you can just literally "sleep off", with enough support.That said, it's an excellent drug.
Safe, when taken as prescribed, very few side effects, and effective, as evidenced by the enormous number of combination preparations containing it - it reduces the overall dose of opiates that need to be taken and that's a good thing.The downside of this profligate mixing with other drugs of course, is that if you're not 100\% clued up on which preparations you are taking, you might take an overdose.I'm an ex-doctor.
I had no idea that Vicodin contained it until I read TFS.
I've never prescribed the stuff though.
If I was living in blissful ignorance every time Greg House popped a little blue pill, imagine what the general level of knowledge is amongst Joe Public.The tinfoil-hatted part of me thinks that they only mix acetaminophen with opiates to stop junkies abusing them anyway.
Who'd be stupid enough to take a fatal overdose of something that doesn't even get you high ... oh , wait, the general public, after we spent so much time and effort dumbing them down...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not so sure about that.  One of the reasons that drug companies put acetaminophen in things like hydrocodone and dextropropoxyphene in the first place is because they make it more difficult (ironically) to overdose on or use recreationally.  If you try and just down 12 vicodin at once, all of the acetaminophen in it is going to make you pretty sick, so you have to jump through quite a few hoops (like using a cold water extraction) if you want to get the good stuff out without having to deal with the acetaminophen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not so sure about that .
One of the reasons that drug companies put acetaminophen in things like hydrocodone and dextropropoxyphene in the first place is because they make it more difficult ( ironically ) to overdose on or use recreationally .
If you try and just down 12 vicodin at once , all of the acetaminophen in it is going to make you pretty sick , so you have to jump through quite a few hoops ( like using a cold water extraction ) if you want to get the good stuff out without having to deal with the acetaminophen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not so sure about that.
One of the reasons that drug companies put acetaminophen in things like hydrocodone and dextropropoxyphene in the first place is because they make it more difficult (ironically) to overdose on or use recreationally.
If you try and just down 12 vicodin at once, all of the acetaminophen in it is going to make you pretty sick, so you have to jump through quite a few hoops (like using a cold water extraction) if you want to get the good stuff out without having to deal with the acetaminophen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560557</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1246559820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills, instead of banning an effective pain reliever?</p></div><p>Well since lots of these are combination drugs (e.g. Tylenol+oxycontin or Tylenol+codeine), isn't is just as easy to tell the prescribe the prescription painkiller and then inform the patient that they should also take some Tylenol?  What's really gained by putting them in one pill anyway?
</p><p>Part of the problem is that people taking painkillers may not be making great decisions.  They may be drug addicts who've gotten the drugs illegally.  Even in legit uses, the person taking the drugs are... well... in a lot of pain and on painkillers, and their thinking may be impaired.  And what if they want to take some extra pills because their current dosage isn't working.  If they're two different pills, it's easy to take a little extra codeine without taking more Tylenol.  I think part of the point is, contrary to what you would think, it's the Tylenol portion of these medications that poses a more immediate health concern.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills , instead of banning an effective pain reliever ? Well since lots of these are combination drugs ( e.g .
Tylenol + oxycontin or Tylenol + codeine ) , is n't is just as easy to tell the prescribe the prescription painkiller and then inform the patient that they should also take some Tylenol ?
What 's really gained by putting them in one pill anyway ?
Part of the problem is that people taking painkillers may not be making great decisions .
They may be drug addicts who 've gotten the drugs illegally .
Even in legit uses , the person taking the drugs are... well... in a lot of pain and on painkillers , and their thinking may be impaired .
And what if they want to take some extra pills because their current dosage is n't working .
If they 're two different pills , it 's easy to take a little extra codeine without taking more Tylenol .
I think part of the point is , contrary to what you would think , it 's the Tylenol portion of these medications that poses a more immediate health concern .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills, instead of banning an effective pain reliever?Well since lots of these are combination drugs (e.g.
Tylenol+oxycontin or Tylenol+codeine), isn't is just as easy to tell the prescribe the prescription painkiller and then inform the patient that they should also take some Tylenol?
What's really gained by putting them in one pill anyway?
Part of the problem is that people taking painkillers may not be making great decisions.
They may be drug addicts who've gotten the drugs illegally.
Even in legit uses, the person taking the drugs are... well... in a lot of pain and on painkillers, and their thinking may be impaired.
And what if they want to take some extra pills because their current dosage isn't working.
If they're two different pills, it's easy to take a little extra codeine without taking more Tylenol.
I think part of the point is, contrary to what you would think, it's the Tylenol portion of these medications that poses a more immediate health concern.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561707</id>
	<title>On Coumadin? No pain meds for you!</title>
	<author>dazedNconfuzed</author>
	<datestamp>1246563480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks FDA. Now I look forward to unmanaged pain.</p><p>Those of us on Coumadin aka Warfarin (that's a lot of us, it's daily and permanent) can't take ibuprofin because it significantly disrupts blood clotting rates ("thins the blood" too much, prone to hemorrhaging), and only acetaminophen can be taken to manage pain without prescription.</p><p>Good thing my headaches can be cured with a shot of whiskey, now that the FDA is worried I'm stupid enough to OD on Tylenol.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks FDA .
Now I look forward to unmanaged pain.Those of us on Coumadin aka Warfarin ( that 's a lot of us , it 's daily and permanent ) ca n't take ibuprofin because it significantly disrupts blood clotting rates ( " thins the blood " too much , prone to hemorrhaging ) , and only acetaminophen can be taken to manage pain without prescription.Good thing my headaches can be cured with a shot of whiskey , now that the FDA is worried I 'm stupid enough to OD on Tylenol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks FDA.
Now I look forward to unmanaged pain.Those of us on Coumadin aka Warfarin (that's a lot of us, it's daily and permanent) can't take ibuprofin because it significantly disrupts blood clotting rates ("thins the blood" too much, prone to hemorrhaging), and only acetaminophen can be taken to manage pain without prescription.Good thing my headaches can be cured with a shot of whiskey, now that the FDA is worried I'm stupid enough to OD on Tylenol.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560227</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Antonio Benedi, then a 37-year-old aide to George Bush, drank wine with dinner on a Saturday night in 1993 and over the next four days took ten extra strength Tylenol tablets, hospital records show. He went into a coma and was saved only by a liver transplant. He sued and won $8 million from J&amp;J.<br>http://www.forbes.com/forbes/1998/0112/6101042a.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Antonio Benedi , then a 37-year-old aide to George Bush , drank wine with dinner on a Saturday night in 1993 and over the next four days took ten extra strength Tylenol tablets , hospital records show .
He went into a coma and was saved only by a liver transplant .
He sued and won $ 8 million from J&amp;J.http : //www.forbes.com/forbes/1998/0112/6101042a.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Antonio Benedi, then a 37-year-old aide to George Bush, drank wine with dinner on a Saturday night in 1993 and over the next four days took ten extra strength Tylenol tablets, hospital records show.
He went into a coma and was saved only by a liver transplant.
He sued and won $8 million from J&amp;J.http://www.forbes.com/forbes/1998/0112/6101042a.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563279</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1246568340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree with you completely and would like to add a couple things:
<br> <br>
First, the Federal government regulates the drug companies through the FDA. Following that logic, it means the Federal government is willing to kill us.
<br> <br>
Second, the Federal government doesn't think any of our people are rational actors. This is why they continue to erode the Constitution, and replace our rights with Acts that give the Feds more power than the Constitution limits them to in the first place.
<br> <br>
Finally, I'm beginning to wonder if the doping of the masses really did start happening in the 50's and 60's. Mainly because the people I'm surrounded by on a daily basis seem to present themselves as being either a) apathetic to their current situation, or b) afraid to take up arms and revolt.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with you completely and would like to add a couple things : First , the Federal government regulates the drug companies through the FDA .
Following that logic , it means the Federal government is willing to kill us .
Second , the Federal government does n't think any of our people are rational actors .
This is why they continue to erode the Constitution , and replace our rights with Acts that give the Feds more power than the Constitution limits them to in the first place .
Finally , I 'm beginning to wonder if the doping of the masses really did start happening in the 50 's and 60 's .
Mainly because the people I 'm surrounded by on a daily basis seem to present themselves as being either a ) apathetic to their current situation , or b ) afraid to take up arms and revolt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with you completely and would like to add a couple things:
 
First, the Federal government regulates the drug companies through the FDA.
Following that logic, it means the Federal government is willing to kill us.
Second, the Federal government doesn't think any of our people are rational actors.
This is why they continue to erode the Constitution, and replace our rights with Acts that give the Feds more power than the Constitution limits them to in the first place.
Finally, I'm beginning to wonder if the doping of the masses really did start happening in the 50's and 60's.
Mainly because the people I'm surrounded by on a daily basis seem to present themselves as being either a) apathetic to their current situation, or b) afraid to take up arms and revolt.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560059</id>
	<title>Why BAN and not WARN?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously here. Why not make sure that there are STRONG WARNINGS on these drugs and require that they also place the warnings on TV Ads (not just in the small print, but actually required spoken warning about exceeding the 2000mg limit, and mention that other drugs like prescription pain killers may also contain this substance and to check with your doctor). I mean, if people know that over-dosing on this WILL seriously damage and potentially kill your liver, they will pay a little more attention to how much they are taking...<br> <br>
As it currently is, with the current ads and warnings, more people think that something like Tylenol with Codeine is pretty safe to take. I mean, its Tylenol, safe for your stomach (too bad just not necessarily safe for your liver).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously here .
Why not make sure that there are STRONG WARNINGS on these drugs and require that they also place the warnings on TV Ads ( not just in the small print , but actually required spoken warning about exceeding the 2000mg limit , and mention that other drugs like prescription pain killers may also contain this substance and to check with your doctor ) .
I mean , if people know that over-dosing on this WILL seriously damage and potentially kill your liver , they will pay a little more attention to how much they are taking.. . As it currently is , with the current ads and warnings , more people think that something like Tylenol with Codeine is pretty safe to take .
I mean , its Tylenol , safe for your stomach ( too bad just not necessarily safe for your liver ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously here.
Why not make sure that there are STRONG WARNINGS on these drugs and require that they also place the warnings on TV Ads (not just in the small print, but actually required spoken warning about exceeding the 2000mg limit, and mention that other drugs like prescription pain killers may also contain this substance and to check with your doctor).
I mean, if people know that over-dosing on this WILL seriously damage and potentially kill your liver, they will pay a little more attention to how much they are taking... 
As it currently is, with the current ads and warnings, more people think that something like Tylenol with Codeine is pretty safe to take.
I mean, its Tylenol, safe for your stomach (too bad just not necessarily safe for your liver).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559969</id>
	<title>So too much acetaminophen can kill you?</title>
	<author>jayme0227</author>
	<datestamp>1246558140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the same can be said for alcohol, let's ban that. Wait, we tried? And failed? Damn.</p><p>We should probably ban water, too, then. After all, if you're holding your wee for a Wii, too much water has proven deadly.</p><p>Truth be told, in moderation, most things are fine. If you're too stupid to follow the directions given by your doctor/pharmacy, you deserve a little bit of liver damage. Since the liver is your only organ that regenerates, you probably won't even die.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the same can be said for alcohol , let 's ban that .
Wait , we tried ?
And failed ?
Damn.We should probably ban water , too , then .
After all , if you 're holding your wee for a Wii , too much water has proven deadly.Truth be told , in moderation , most things are fine .
If you 're too stupid to follow the directions given by your doctor/pharmacy , you deserve a little bit of liver damage .
Since the liver is your only organ that regenerates , you probably wo n't even die .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the same can be said for alcohol, let's ban that.
Wait, we tried?
And failed?
Damn.We should probably ban water, too, then.
After all, if you're holding your wee for a Wii, too much water has proven deadly.Truth be told, in moderation, most things are fine.
If you're too stupid to follow the directions given by your doctor/pharmacy, you deserve a little bit of liver damage.
Since the liver is your only organ that regenerates, you probably won't even die.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563565</id>
	<title>Re:House, MD</title>
	<author>sumdumass</author>
	<datestamp>1246526100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't really about the dangers of a drug. More people get hurt and killed by cars every day then will ever have an adverse reaction with Acetaminophen and no one is banning cars.</p><p>This is more of the public health care manipulation and politics. Acetaminophen is relatively cheap, It's prescribed by many doctors because it helps people for minor and major pains. Getting rid of it put the consumer into a position of "i need something" in which public health care can fill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't really about the dangers of a drug .
More people get hurt and killed by cars every day then will ever have an adverse reaction with Acetaminophen and no one is banning cars.This is more of the public health care manipulation and politics .
Acetaminophen is relatively cheap , It 's prescribed by many doctors because it helps people for minor and major pains .
Getting rid of it put the consumer into a position of " i need something " in which public health care can fill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't really about the dangers of a drug.
More people get hurt and killed by cars every day then will ever have an adverse reaction with Acetaminophen and no one is banning cars.This is more of the public health care manipulation and politics.
Acetaminophen is relatively cheap, It's prescribed by many doctors because it helps people for minor and major pains.
Getting rid of it put the consumer into a position of "i need something" in which public health care can fill.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28567493</id>
	<title>Main cause of liver failure</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1246547640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Acetaminophen (a.k.a. Paracetamol) is the main cause of liver failure.  It should be handled with care and only available by prescription, not over the counter as is currently the case.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Acetaminophen ( a.k.a .
Paracetamol ) is the main cause of liver failure .
It should be handled with care and only available by prescription , not over the counter as is currently the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Acetaminophen (a.k.a.
Paracetamol) is the main cause of liver failure.
It should be handled with care and only available by prescription, not over the counter as is currently the case.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28567451</id>
	<title>Re:Include the antidote !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246547220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As per sibling post, they aren't brand names, just derived from the name of the drug, which is para-acetylaminophenol (sibling states systematic name).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As per sibling post , they are n't brand names , just derived from the name of the drug , which is para-acetylaminophenol ( sibling states systematic name ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As per sibling post, they aren't brand names, just derived from the name of the drug, which is para-acetylaminophenol (sibling states systematic name).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562901</id>
	<title>Re:Include the antidote !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246567200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the UK, you cannot buy "Acetaminophen", you can buy limited numbers (16) of Paracetamol.  Yes, they are the same drug, but if you wander round any shop in the UK looking for "Acetaminophen", you will not find it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the UK , you can not buy " Acetaminophen " , you can buy limited numbers ( 16 ) of Paracetamol .
Yes , they are the same drug , but if you wander round any shop in the UK looking for " Acetaminophen " , you will not find it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the UK, you cannot buy "Acetaminophen", you can buy limited numbers (16) of Paracetamol.
Yes, they are the same drug, but if you wander round any shop in the UK looking for "Acetaminophen", you will not find it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563961</id>
	<title>Nice choice, boys.</title>
	<author>pclminion</author>
	<datestamp>1246527540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure a lot of people will be happy with this. Now they'll be able to abuse narcotics more easily without worrying about liver damage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure a lot of people will be happy with this .
Now they 'll be able to abuse narcotics more easily without worrying about liver damage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure a lot of people will be happy with this.
Now they'll be able to abuse narcotics more easily without worrying about liver damage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28571387</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>Ciaran Power</author>
	<datestamp>1246634340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In moderation drinking alcohol xor taking acetaminophen is safe.</p></div><p>So you're putting your health at risk if you neither drink nor take acetaminophen?</p><p>Or should that be:<br>
'In moderation drinking alcohol and not taking acetaminophen or taking acetaminophen and not drinking alcohol or not taking acetaminophen and not drinking alcohol is safe?'</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In moderation drinking alcohol xor taking acetaminophen is safe.So you 're putting your health at risk if you neither drink nor take acetaminophen ? Or should that be : 'In moderation drinking alcohol and not taking acetaminophen or taking acetaminophen and not drinking alcohol or not taking acetaminophen and not drinking alcohol is safe ?
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In moderation drinking alcohol xor taking acetaminophen is safe.So you're putting your health at risk if you neither drink nor take acetaminophen?Or should that be:
'In moderation drinking alcohol and not taking acetaminophen or taking acetaminophen and not drinking alcohol or not taking acetaminophen and not drinking alcohol is safe?
'
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28567327</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>CharlieG</author>
	<datestamp>1246546080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually, max/day is 4000mg - I have a standing script for 4/day of 7.5-750s right now.  When my leg wound was BAD, I was on 10-500s, with Advil (600mg) as a chaser.  yes, I was in PAIN - serious pain.  At one point I was in the hospital for 2 weeks for infection control and morphine (6mg every 4)</p><p>Chronic severe pain is NOT something I'd wish on anyone</p><p>The good news is I'm down to 1-2 pills on a bad day, on a GOOD day, no pills</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually , max/day is 4000mg - I have a standing script for 4/day of 7.5-750s right now .
When my leg wound was BAD , I was on 10-500s , with Advil ( 600mg ) as a chaser .
yes , I was in PAIN - serious pain .
At one point I was in the hospital for 2 weeks for infection control and morphine ( 6mg every 4 ) Chronic severe pain is NOT something I 'd wish on anyoneThe good news is I 'm down to 1-2 pills on a bad day , on a GOOD day , no pills</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually, max/day is 4000mg - I have a standing script for 4/day of 7.5-750s right now.
When my leg wound was BAD, I was on 10-500s, with Advil (600mg) as a chaser.
yes, I was in PAIN - serious pain.
At one point I was in the hospital for 2 weeks for infection control and morphine (6mg every 4)Chronic severe pain is NOT something I'd wish on anyoneThe good news is I'm down to 1-2 pills on a bad day, on a GOOD day, no pills</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560069</id>
	<title>Should have done it long time ago</title>
	<author>zymano</author>
	<datestamp>1246558380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems like a lot of people having problems overdosing on this stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like a lot of people having problems overdosing on this stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like a lot of people having problems overdosing on this stuff.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560475</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1246559580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tylenol has a much greater OD problem than other pain killers.</p><p>It's your proverbial Ford Pinto that tends to burst into flames when you bump it too hard.</p><p>Unfortunately, drug companies don't want to put proper disclaimers on their products. They<br>would scare away all their customers if the mundanes knew how easy it was to OD on this<br>stuff or fry your liver.</p><p>It pretty much has to be as blunt as "combine this with alchohol and you will die".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tylenol has a much greater OD problem than other pain killers.It 's your proverbial Ford Pinto that tends to burst into flames when you bump it too hard.Unfortunately , drug companies do n't want to put proper disclaimers on their products .
Theywould scare away all their customers if the mundanes knew how easy it was to OD on thisstuff or fry your liver.It pretty much has to be as blunt as " combine this with alchohol and you will die " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tylenol has a much greater OD problem than other pain killers.It's your proverbial Ford Pinto that tends to burst into flames when you bump it too hard.Unfortunately, drug companies don't want to put proper disclaimers on their products.
Theywould scare away all their customers if the mundanes knew how easy it was to OD on thisstuff or fry your liver.It pretty much has to be as blunt as "combine this with alchohol and you will die".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560825</id>
	<title>Re:Doctors orders</title>
	<author>oneirophrenos</author>
	<datestamp>1246560540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree. Any drug is dangerous with suprapharmacological doses. Paracetamol (acetaminophen) is relatively safe when used in moderate amounts. It doesn't cause gastrointestinal problems as NSAID's do, nor is it dangerous for children as aspirin is. You take too much ibuprofen or aspirin (or hydrocodone, for that matter), and you're bound to kill yourself. There is no such thing as a "safe drug" when talking about excessive doses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
Any drug is dangerous with suprapharmacological doses .
Paracetamol ( acetaminophen ) is relatively safe when used in moderate amounts .
It does n't cause gastrointestinal problems as NSAID 's do , nor is it dangerous for children as aspirin is .
You take too much ibuprofen or aspirin ( or hydrocodone , for that matter ) , and you 're bound to kill yourself .
There is no such thing as a " safe drug " when talking about excessive doses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
Any drug is dangerous with suprapharmacological doses.
Paracetamol (acetaminophen) is relatively safe when used in moderate amounts.
It doesn't cause gastrointestinal problems as NSAID's do, nor is it dangerous for children as aspirin is.
You take too much ibuprofen or aspirin (or hydrocodone, for that matter), and you're bound to kill yourself.
There is no such thing as a "safe drug" when talking about excessive doses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561861</id>
	<title>Re:Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>xyphor</author>
	<datestamp>1246563960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Technically percocet (oxycodone + acetaminophen) is on schedule II, so it doesn't seem that acetaminophen is the difference between schedule II and III.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Technically percocet ( oxycodone + acetaminophen ) is on schedule II , so it does n't seem that acetaminophen is the difference between schedule II and III .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Technically percocet (oxycodone + acetaminophen) is on schedule II, so it doesn't seem that acetaminophen is the difference between schedule II and III.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560159</id>
	<title>Time to hoard what I've got...</title>
	<author>Iphtashu Fitz</author>
	<datestamp>1246558680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just got a bottle of Vicodin for a root canal last week.  My girlfriend has an even bigger bottle of Valium for back problems she's having.  Luckily neither of us are in as much pain as was anticipated so we're not using it up very much.  I guess we'll have to milk them both for as long as we can.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just got a bottle of Vicodin for a root canal last week .
My girlfriend has an even bigger bottle of Valium for back problems she 's having .
Luckily neither of us are in as much pain as was anticipated so we 're not using it up very much .
I guess we 'll have to milk them both for as long as we can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just got a bottle of Vicodin for a root canal last week.
My girlfriend has an even bigger bottle of Valium for back problems she's having.
Luckily neither of us are in as much pain as was anticipated so we're not using it up very much.
I guess we'll have to milk them both for as long as we can.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28564353</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>mr100percent</author>
	<datestamp>1246529100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really, acetaminophen is used along with narcotics because it increases the effect of the painkiller, as well as gives anti-inflammatory relief. Many people who take Vicodin or Percocet have had some surgery, and the acetaminophen helps the recovery along with the pain relief.</p><p>The acetaminophen is not in there to prevent overdosing, because you can get a prescription for it without the Tylenol (or paracetamol if youre in UK). Percocet minus the acetaminophen is Oxycontin, for example, and Vicodin has alternatives like Vicoprofen which has Ibuprofen instead of acetaminophen.</p><p>Pharmaceuticals do put other chemicals in to prevent abuse, such as Narcan (Naloxone) in medication like Suboxone (buprenorphine) or Talwin. If you try to melt the medication down to inject recreationally, the naloxone will block the receptors in the body, cancelling the high and preventing an overdose. Eating the medication normally will not do that, since naloxone is not absorbed in the stomach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really , acetaminophen is used along with narcotics because it increases the effect of the painkiller , as well as gives anti-inflammatory relief .
Many people who take Vicodin or Percocet have had some surgery , and the acetaminophen helps the recovery along with the pain relief.The acetaminophen is not in there to prevent overdosing , because you can get a prescription for it without the Tylenol ( or paracetamol if youre in UK ) .
Percocet minus the acetaminophen is Oxycontin , for example , and Vicodin has alternatives like Vicoprofen which has Ibuprofen instead of acetaminophen.Pharmaceuticals do put other chemicals in to prevent abuse , such as Narcan ( Naloxone ) in medication like Suboxone ( buprenorphine ) or Talwin .
If you try to melt the medication down to inject recreationally , the naloxone will block the receptors in the body , cancelling the high and preventing an overdose .
Eating the medication normally will not do that , since naloxone is not absorbed in the stomach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really, acetaminophen is used along with narcotics because it increases the effect of the painkiller, as well as gives anti-inflammatory relief.
Many people who take Vicodin or Percocet have had some surgery, and the acetaminophen helps the recovery along with the pain relief.The acetaminophen is not in there to prevent overdosing, because you can get a prescription for it without the Tylenol (or paracetamol if youre in UK).
Percocet minus the acetaminophen is Oxycontin, for example, and Vicodin has alternatives like Vicoprofen which has Ibuprofen instead of acetaminophen.Pharmaceuticals do put other chemicals in to prevent abuse, such as Narcan (Naloxone) in medication like Suboxone (buprenorphine) or Talwin.
If you try to melt the medication down to inject recreationally, the naloxone will block the receptors in the body, cancelling the high and preventing an overdose.
Eating the medication normally will not do that, since naloxone is not absorbed in the stomach.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560039</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28568923</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>Alpha830RulZ</author>
	<datestamp>1246563600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pot is good, but there are other anti-emetics which are at least as good (Zofran, for example).  However, they are more toxic than pot, and surprisingly, more expensive as well.</p><p>My wife is a cancer patient, I've been through this in detail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pot is good , but there are other anti-emetics which are at least as good ( Zofran , for example ) .
However , they are more toxic than pot , and surprisingly , more expensive as well.My wife is a cancer patient , I 've been through this in detail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pot is good, but there are other anti-emetics which are at least as good (Zofran, for example).
However, they are more toxic than pot, and surprisingly, more expensive as well.My wife is a cancer patient, I've been through this in detail.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561481</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559725</id>
	<title>Vicodin?</title>
	<author>Megaweapon</author>
	<datestamp>1246557480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as it doesn't cause Lupus...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as it does n't cause Lupus.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as it doesn't cause Lupus...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28564171</id>
	<title>Hey, that's great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246528380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, fabulous, the US is running out of money and so where do they look? Let's ban some drugs that many people use for painkillers. Wow, excellent, now when people go to the 'underground' to buy these, let's arrest them and charge outrageous fines. Beautiful country we live in...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , fabulous , the US is running out of money and so where do they look ?
Let 's ban some drugs that many people use for painkillers .
Wow , excellent , now when people go to the 'underground ' to buy these , let 's arrest them and charge outrageous fines .
Beautiful country we live in.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, fabulous, the US is running out of money and so where do they look?
Let's ban some drugs that many people use for painkillers.
Wow, excellent, now when people go to the 'underground' to buy these, let's arrest them and charge outrageous fines.
Beautiful country we live in...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28566395</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>dmr001</author>
	<datestamp>1246539540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's because the parent is misinformed. Acetaminophen is added to narcotics, like oxycodone or hydrocodone, not to discourage abuse but to augment the effect of the narcotic and make it more effective. (The fact that it's controversial how much it helps is another topic.) Acetaminophen toxicity is <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ooH1nH81\_h4C&amp;pg=PA1461&amp;lpg=PA1461&amp;dq=acetaminophen+toxicity+clinical+manifestations&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=41ScTXEBlf&amp;sig=LtacdftpiXnopD9Iri6tOcQ3Y1k&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=fUlNSuv7OpHYsgPF86iwBQ&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book\_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=1" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">often clinically mild</a> [google.com] until it's too late to do anything about it.
<p>
Taken as directed and without combining with other medicines, hydrocodone-acetaminophen and oxyocodone-acetaminophen are relatively safe. Combine it with Tylenol or Dayquil and maybe a drinking habit, and you can run into trouble. The proposed ban on combination drugs is to help avoid accidental overdoses due to patients not knowing that Vicodin and Nyquil and Tylenol taken together can potentially lead to liver failure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because the parent is misinformed .
Acetaminophen is added to narcotics , like oxycodone or hydrocodone , not to discourage abuse but to augment the effect of the narcotic and make it more effective .
( The fact that it 's controversial how much it helps is another topic .
) Acetaminophen toxicity is often clinically mild [ google.com ] until it 's too late to do anything about it .
Taken as directed and without combining with other medicines , hydrocodone-acetaminophen and oxyocodone-acetaminophen are relatively safe .
Combine it with Tylenol or Dayquil and maybe a drinking habit , and you can run into trouble .
The proposed ban on combination drugs is to help avoid accidental overdoses due to patients not knowing that Vicodin and Nyquil and Tylenol taken together can potentially lead to liver failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because the parent is misinformed.
Acetaminophen is added to narcotics, like oxycodone or hydrocodone, not to discourage abuse but to augment the effect of the narcotic and make it more effective.
(The fact that it's controversial how much it helps is another topic.
) Acetaminophen toxicity is often clinically mild [google.com] until it's too late to do anything about it.
Taken as directed and without combining with other medicines, hydrocodone-acetaminophen and oxyocodone-acetaminophen are relatively safe.
Combine it with Tylenol or Dayquil and maybe a drinking habit, and you can run into trouble.
The proposed ban on combination drugs is to help avoid accidental overdoses due to patients not knowing that Vicodin and Nyquil and Tylenol taken together can potentially lead to liver failure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560245</id>
	<title>Incorrect/Imprecise summary</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1246558920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol, you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day.</p></div><p>This is only a problem if that initial pain killer also contains acetaminophen. Alternating Tylenol with an NSAID (e.g. ibuprofen, aspirin) is a commonly recommended way to deal with short-term acute pain.</p><p>The basic problem, which has been known for decades, is that the level of acetaminophen required to effectively treat pain is unfortunately fairly close to the level that does harm.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol , you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day.This is only a problem if that initial pain killer also contains acetaminophen .
Alternating Tylenol with an NSAID ( e.g .
ibuprofen , aspirin ) is a commonly recommended way to deal with short-term acute pain.The basic problem , which has been known for decades , is that the level of acetaminophen required to effectively treat pain is unfortunately fairly close to the level that does harm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol, you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day.This is only a problem if that initial pain killer also contains acetaminophen.
Alternating Tylenol with an NSAID (e.g.
ibuprofen, aspirin) is a commonly recommended way to deal with short-term acute pain.The basic problem, which has been known for decades, is that the level of acetaminophen required to effectively treat pain is unfortunately fairly close to the level that does harm.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28711461</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247669940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yes i am comcerned about the banning of pain meds, I have severe arthritis and have been taking vicodin, percocet and tramadol for a lomg time now as a matter of fact it really does not help much anymore but i would like to know what will be given for the pain for us people that do have cronic pain? I think if the asprin bassed meds are given they will be safe. Please let me know cause i suffer everyday and night.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yes i am comcerned about the banning of pain meds , I have severe arthritis and have been taking vicodin , percocet and tramadol for a lomg time now as a matter of fact it really does not help much anymore but i would like to know what will be given for the pain for us people that do have cronic pain ?
I think if the asprin bassed meds are given they will be safe .
Please let me know cause i suffer everyday and night .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes i am comcerned about the banning of pain meds, I have severe arthritis and have been taking vicodin, percocet and tramadol for a lomg time now as a matter of fact it really does not help much anymore but i would like to know what will be given for the pain for us people that do have cronic pain?
I think if the asprin bassed meds are given they will be safe.
Please let me know cause i suffer everyday and night.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560933</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560757</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>AxemRed</author>
	<datestamp>1246560360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have always been under the impression that acetaminophen is pretty easy on your stomach and doesn't cause nausea. Hydrocodone, on the other hand, always tends to give me nausea when I take it in pill form.<br> <br>
As for what they would replace the acetaminophen with, I think that ibuprofen or naproxen would be good choices. They are both pretty easy on my stomach (when using only short term), and they do a better job at killing pain anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have always been under the impression that acetaminophen is pretty easy on your stomach and does n't cause nausea .
Hydrocodone , on the other hand , always tends to give me nausea when I take it in pill form .
As for what they would replace the acetaminophen with , I think that ibuprofen or naproxen would be good choices .
They are both pretty easy on my stomach ( when using only short term ) , and they do a better job at killing pain anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have always been under the impression that acetaminophen is pretty easy on your stomach and doesn't cause nausea.
Hydrocodone, on the other hand, always tends to give me nausea when I take it in pill form.
As for what they would replace the acetaminophen with, I think that ibuprofen or naproxen would be good choices.
They are both pretty easy on my stomach (when using only short term), and they do a better job at killing pain anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561479</id>
	<title>Include the antidote !</title>
	<author>Brit\_in\_the\_USA</author>
	<datestamp>1246562640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the UK you can only buy ~Qty. 10 (I forge the exact number) Acetaminophen at a time at supermarkets, the checkout computer blocks or requires overrides.<br> <br>
I also remember watching "Tomorrows World" as a kid, and one program had mentioned and "invention" of putting the Acetaminophen andtidote in the tablets so you couldn't overdoes or have liver damage. I'm assuming it was N-acetylcysteine (NAC) , but it could have been somethign else. This was TWENTY YEARS AGO. But for some reason lost to me and probably a lot of people it never happened.....</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the UK you can only buy ~ Qty .
10 ( I forge the exact number ) Acetaminophen at a time at supermarkets , the checkout computer blocks or requires overrides .
I also remember watching " Tomorrows World " as a kid , and one program had mentioned and " invention " of putting the Acetaminophen andtidote in the tablets so you could n't overdoes or have liver damage .
I 'm assuming it was N-acetylcysteine ( NAC ) , but it could have been somethign else .
This was TWENTY YEARS AGO .
But for some reason lost to me and probably a lot of people it never happened.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the UK you can only buy ~Qty.
10 (I forge the exact number) Acetaminophen at a time at supermarkets, the checkout computer blocks or requires overrides.
I also remember watching "Tomorrows World" as a kid, and one program had mentioned and "invention" of putting the Acetaminophen andtidote in the tablets so you couldn't overdoes or have liver damage.
I'm assuming it was N-acetylcysteine (NAC) , but it could have been somethign else.
This was TWENTY YEARS AGO.
But for some reason lost to me and probably a lot of people it never happened.....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28575975</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1246622880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And that, in turn, is because the federal government would much rather that someone suffer a horrific lingering death than get high.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And that , in turn , is because the federal government would much rather that someone suffer a horrific lingering death than get high .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that, in turn, is because the federal government would much rather that someone suffer a horrific lingering death than get high.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28576883</id>
	<title>Re:Doctors orders</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1246631640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never died from acetaminophen. I guess my stupidity must protect me. Does your arrogance have any benefits for you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never died from acetaminophen .
I guess my stupidity must protect me .
Does your arrogance have any benefits for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never died from acetaminophen.
I guess my stupidity must protect me.
Does your arrogance have any benefits for you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560265</id>
	<title>Good lesson for everyone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Acetaminophen is quite toxic, and some individuals are particularly susceptible. Matters are made far worse by the fact that usually by the time toxic symptoms are recognized, it's too late to save the patient.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Acetaminophen is quite toxic , and some individuals are particularly susceptible .
Matters are made far worse by the fact that usually by the time toxic symptoms are recognized , it 's too late to save the patient .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Acetaminophen is quite toxic, and some individuals are particularly susceptible.
Matters are made far worse by the fact that usually by the time toxic symptoms are recognized, it's too late to save the patient.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559901</id>
	<title>So wait...</title>
	<author>moosehooey</author>
	<datestamp>1246557960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The FDA made the drug companies put acetaminophen into the narcotic painkillers to keep people from recreationally overdosing on them (same as they "denature" ethyl alcohol that you can buy at the hardware store by poisoning it with methyl alcohol), and then when druggies take large doses anyway and cause liver damage and death, the FDA is *surprised*?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The FDA made the drug companies put acetaminophen into the narcotic painkillers to keep people from recreationally overdosing on them ( same as they " denature " ethyl alcohol that you can buy at the hardware store by poisoning it with methyl alcohol ) , and then when druggies take large doses anyway and cause liver damage and death , the FDA is * surprised * ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The FDA made the drug companies put acetaminophen into the narcotic painkillers to keep people from recreationally overdosing on them (same as they "denature" ethyl alcohol that you can buy at the hardware store by poisoning it with methyl alcohol), and then when druggies take large doses anyway and cause liver damage and death, the FDA is *surprised*?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562399</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>El Gigante de Justic</author>
	<datestamp>1246565820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should always tell your doctor about everything you take due to possible interactions, even if it is an OTC drug generally considered safe.</p><p>There are definately cases where acetaminophen is much safer than Ibuprofen or Aspirin; if you're pregnant or may become pregnant is a good example that's already been pointed out, and another one is if you're on any sort of blood thinner, like Warfarin.  Acetaminophen can have interactions with Warfarin if you take more than 2000 mg a day or take it for several days, but it's still safer than Ibuprofen or NSAIDS, which can cause GI bleeding and reduce blood clotting when combined with warfarin.</p><p>Acetaminophen is also the preferred pain killer for small children, at least around where I live.  Personally I find it more effective for my own headaches, but then again I'm smart enough to actually follow the directions on the bottle.</p><p>Just about any drug can be harmful if you take too much of it.  Instead of a ban, there should just be changes in prescription labels that say "while taking , do not take ".  The problem is that the  could be a gigantic list.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should always tell your doctor about everything you take due to possible interactions , even if it is an OTC drug generally considered safe.There are definately cases where acetaminophen is much safer than Ibuprofen or Aspirin ; if you 're pregnant or may become pregnant is a good example that 's already been pointed out , and another one is if you 're on any sort of blood thinner , like Warfarin .
Acetaminophen can have interactions with Warfarin if you take more than 2000 mg a day or take it for several days , but it 's still safer than Ibuprofen or NSAIDS , which can cause GI bleeding and reduce blood clotting when combined with warfarin.Acetaminophen is also the preferred pain killer for small children , at least around where I live .
Personally I find it more effective for my own headaches , but then again I 'm smart enough to actually follow the directions on the bottle.Just about any drug can be harmful if you take too much of it .
Instead of a ban , there should just be changes in prescription labels that say " while taking , do not take " .
The problem is that the could be a gigantic list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should always tell your doctor about everything you take due to possible interactions, even if it is an OTC drug generally considered safe.There are definately cases where acetaminophen is much safer than Ibuprofen or Aspirin; if you're pregnant or may become pregnant is a good example that's already been pointed out, and another one is if you're on any sort of blood thinner, like Warfarin.
Acetaminophen can have interactions with Warfarin if you take more than 2000 mg a day or take it for several days, but it's still safer than Ibuprofen or NSAIDS, which can cause GI bleeding and reduce blood clotting when combined with warfarin.Acetaminophen is also the preferred pain killer for small children, at least around where I live.
Personally I find it more effective for my own headaches, but then again I'm smart enough to actually follow the directions on the bottle.Just about any drug can be harmful if you take too much of it.
Instead of a ban, there should just be changes in prescription labels that say "while taking , do not take ".
The problem is that the  could be a gigantic list.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561211</id>
	<title>Re:Vicodin?</title>
	<author>yascha</author>
	<datestamp>1246561740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We'll need an LP.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'll need an LP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'll need an LP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559725</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28565715</id>
	<title>Hey, guess what's less toxic than Acetaminophen?</title>
	<author>NotSoHeavyD3</author>
	<datestamp>1246535700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Anybody? Believe it or not plutonium is less toxic than acetaminophen

<a href="http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Plutonium" title="chemistrydaily.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Plutonium</a> [chemistrydaily.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody ?
Believe it or not plutonium is less toxic than acetaminophen http : //www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Plutonium [ chemistrydaily.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody?
Believe it or not plutonium is less toxic than acetaminophen

http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Plutonium [chemistrydaily.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28567013</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>unifyingtheory</author>
	<datestamp>1246543740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Closed casket.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Closed casket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Closed casket.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28566821</id>
	<title>save me, gubment!</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1246542420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Save me, government!!! My doctor and I are unable to determine the proper dosage of medications for me based on my illness, physical condition, other medications, diet, and financial situation. But I believe that a few hundred bureaucrats in DC can establish a blanket rule that applies to me and everyone else!!! Save me from my and my doctor's incompetence!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Save me , government ! ! !
My doctor and I are unable to determine the proper dosage of medications for me based on my illness , physical condition , other medications , diet , and financial situation .
But I believe that a few hundred bureaucrats in DC can establish a blanket rule that applies to me and everyone else ! ! !
Save me from my and my doctor 's incompetence !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Save me, government!!!
My doctor and I are unable to determine the proper dosage of medications for me based on my illness, physical condition, other medications, diet, and financial situation.
But I believe that a few hundred bureaucrats in DC can establish a blanket rule that applies to me and everyone else!!!
Save me from my and my doctor's incompetence!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559743</id>
	<title>not really a ban</title>
	<author>mr100percent</author>
	<datestamp>1246557540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Before everyone screams bloody murder, the fact remains that you'll still be able to buy the stuff, separately. Percocet, for example, is actually a mix of oxycodone and acetaminophen. You can buy them separately as Oxycontin and Tylenol (or paracetamol in the UK).</p><p>It's the combination that causes problems; people wind up overdosing. Overdosing on the oxycodone portion is not all that dangerous (you could swallow 2 dozen of them at once though I would definitely not recommend it) compared to Tylenol, which can damage your liver. Thirty extra-strength tylenols at once can destroy your liver and you'll die within 72 hours. These medications have acetaminophen in them as an an anti-inflammatory to work with the painkiller, but they wind up being the deadlier part of the drug since people take too much. A few people think they can commit suicide by swallowing the whole prescription, but what happens is the codeine-based painkiller part wears off in hours and then the agonizing abdominal pain of liver failure begins until they're dead 3 days later.</p><p>You'll still be able to buy the separate ingredients, hydrocodone is Vicodin and Norco, oxycodone is Percocet, etc. There are other formulations; Percodan is nearly the same as Percocet except it uses aspirin in place of acetaminophen (Tylenol)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Before everyone screams bloody murder , the fact remains that you 'll still be able to buy the stuff , separately .
Percocet , for example , is actually a mix of oxycodone and acetaminophen .
You can buy them separately as Oxycontin and Tylenol ( or paracetamol in the UK ) .It 's the combination that causes problems ; people wind up overdosing .
Overdosing on the oxycodone portion is not all that dangerous ( you could swallow 2 dozen of them at once though I would definitely not recommend it ) compared to Tylenol , which can damage your liver .
Thirty extra-strength tylenols at once can destroy your liver and you 'll die within 72 hours .
These medications have acetaminophen in them as an an anti-inflammatory to work with the painkiller , but they wind up being the deadlier part of the drug since people take too much .
A few people think they can commit suicide by swallowing the whole prescription , but what happens is the codeine-based painkiller part wears off in hours and then the agonizing abdominal pain of liver failure begins until they 're dead 3 days later.You 'll still be able to buy the separate ingredients , hydrocodone is Vicodin and Norco , oxycodone is Percocet , etc .
There are other formulations ; Percodan is nearly the same as Percocet except it uses aspirin in place of acetaminophen ( Tylenol )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before everyone screams bloody murder, the fact remains that you'll still be able to buy the stuff, separately.
Percocet, for example, is actually a mix of oxycodone and acetaminophen.
You can buy them separately as Oxycontin and Tylenol (or paracetamol in the UK).It's the combination that causes problems; people wind up overdosing.
Overdosing on the oxycodone portion is not all that dangerous (you could swallow 2 dozen of them at once though I would definitely not recommend it) compared to Tylenol, which can damage your liver.
Thirty extra-strength tylenols at once can destroy your liver and you'll die within 72 hours.
These medications have acetaminophen in them as an an anti-inflammatory to work with the painkiller, but they wind up being the deadlier part of the drug since people take too much.
A few people think they can commit suicide by swallowing the whole prescription, but what happens is the codeine-based painkiller part wears off in hours and then the agonizing abdominal pain of liver failure begins until they're dead 3 days later.You'll still be able to buy the separate ingredients, hydrocodone is Vicodin and Norco, oxycodone is Percocet, etc.
There are other formulations; Percodan is nearly the same as Percocet except it uses aspirin in place of acetaminophen (Tylenol)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561141</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246561500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am a liver transplant surgeon and get consulted all the time about acetaminophen overdoses.</p><p>"So we ban something because the average person is too stupid to read the bottle?"</p><p>Yes, of course we can do that.  When the "average stupid person" runs up a six-figure hospital bill from not following directions, it becomes a problem for all of us.</p><p>The real problem is the mentality that anything available without a prescription must be quite safe, even if the directions aren't followed closely.  So, many people don't worry much about taking OTC tylenol in addition to other prescribed meds.  I can say for a fact that most people who wind up with an OD from acetaminophen/opioid combo meds (when taken along with OTC tylenol) have no clue that Vidodin or Percocet contains acetaminophen.</p><p>Realistically, however, if the government wants to reduce acetaminophen OD, they need to pull OTC Tylenol off the market.  People are just too careless because they assume non-prescription drugs can't be very dangerous.  Tylenol is a huge business, though, and it would be politically very hard for the government to make acetaminophen prescription-only.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a liver transplant surgeon and get consulted all the time about acetaminophen overdoses .
" So we ban something because the average person is too stupid to read the bottle ?
" Yes , of course we can do that .
When the " average stupid person " runs up a six-figure hospital bill from not following directions , it becomes a problem for all of us.The real problem is the mentality that anything available without a prescription must be quite safe , even if the directions are n't followed closely .
So , many people do n't worry much about taking OTC tylenol in addition to other prescribed meds .
I can say for a fact that most people who wind up with an OD from acetaminophen/opioid combo meds ( when taken along with OTC tylenol ) have no clue that Vidodin or Percocet contains acetaminophen.Realistically , however , if the government wants to reduce acetaminophen OD , they need to pull OTC Tylenol off the market .
People are just too careless because they assume non-prescription drugs ca n't be very dangerous .
Tylenol is a huge business , though , and it would be politically very hard for the government to make acetaminophen prescription-only .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a liver transplant surgeon and get consulted all the time about acetaminophen overdoses.
"So we ban something because the average person is too stupid to read the bottle?
"Yes, of course we can do that.
When the "average stupid person" runs up a six-figure hospital bill from not following directions, it becomes a problem for all of us.The real problem is the mentality that anything available without a prescription must be quite safe, even if the directions aren't followed closely.
So, many people don't worry much about taking OTC tylenol in addition to other prescribed meds.
I can say for a fact that most people who wind up with an OD from acetaminophen/opioid combo meds (when taken along with OTC tylenol) have no clue that Vidodin or Percocet contains acetaminophen.Realistically, however, if the government wants to reduce acetaminophen OD, they need to pull OTC Tylenol off the market.
People are just too careless because they assume non-prescription drugs can't be very dangerous.
Tylenol is a huge business, though, and it would be politically very hard for the government to make acetaminophen prescription-only.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560433</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1246559400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe your sister should have told you not to drink that much alcohol in first place. Makes a lot of more sense that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe your sister should have told you not to drink that much alcohol in first place .
Makes a lot of more sense that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe your sister should have told you not to drink that much alcohol in first place.
Makes a lot of more sense that way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28565309</id>
	<title>Michael Jackson connection?</title>
	<author>roman\_mir</author>
	<datestamp>1246533360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So MJ dies, some speculate that it's due to him taking too many pain killers and now this silly idea comes out?  Ok, so that maybe a coincidence...</p><p>However, what is this nonsense?  Pretty much any medication is poison in the wrong dose, doesn't anyone see that this is totally misguided?  Poisons are all around us, use too much bleach while cleaning up and end up breathing in poison that was used in wars to kill people.  I mean cigarettes are legal and nicotine is poisonous.  Advil will ruin your stomach lining in wrong doses (or even in normal doses if you have an ulcer.)  Antibiotics are great, but will kill your flora and you may end up sick because of that.  Too many vitamins can kill you.</p><p>This is stupid and retarded, I just had a root canal done a couple of months ago, without Tylenol with Codein I wouldn't be able to do anything without bashing my head out for a week at least (I was on antibiotics for a week before the doc could even freeze the tooth, the first time he couldn't even freeze it.)</p><p>Terrible, good thing I have a huge stash.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So MJ dies , some speculate that it 's due to him taking too many pain killers and now this silly idea comes out ?
Ok , so that maybe a coincidence...However , what is this nonsense ?
Pretty much any medication is poison in the wrong dose , does n't anyone see that this is totally misguided ?
Poisons are all around us , use too much bleach while cleaning up and end up breathing in poison that was used in wars to kill people .
I mean cigarettes are legal and nicotine is poisonous .
Advil will ruin your stomach lining in wrong doses ( or even in normal doses if you have an ulcer .
) Antibiotics are great , but will kill your flora and you may end up sick because of that .
Too many vitamins can kill you.This is stupid and retarded , I just had a root canal done a couple of months ago , without Tylenol with Codein I would n't be able to do anything without bashing my head out for a week at least ( I was on antibiotics for a week before the doc could even freeze the tooth , the first time he could n't even freeze it .
) Terrible , good thing I have a huge stash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So MJ dies, some speculate that it's due to him taking too many pain killers and now this silly idea comes out?
Ok, so that maybe a coincidence...However, what is this nonsense?
Pretty much any medication is poison in the wrong dose, doesn't anyone see that this is totally misguided?
Poisons are all around us, use too much bleach while cleaning up and end up breathing in poison that was used in wars to kill people.
I mean cigarettes are legal and nicotine is poisonous.
Advil will ruin your stomach lining in wrong doses (or even in normal doses if you have an ulcer.
)  Antibiotics are great, but will kill your flora and you may end up sick because of that.
Too many vitamins can kill you.This is stupid and retarded, I just had a root canal done a couple of months ago, without Tylenol with Codein I wouldn't be able to do anything without bashing my head out for a week at least (I was on antibiotics for a week before the doc could even freeze the tooth, the first time he couldn't even freeze it.
)Terrible, good thing I have a huge stash.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561551</id>
	<title>Re:So wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246562940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The purpose of adding acetometophine is to increase its effecacy, not to discourage recreational use.  You can still get the narcotics without any other drugs added in and THAT is what people currently use recreationally.  Also, the reason alcohol at the hardware store is denatured is for tax reasons.  It's not because we're trying to keep alcoholics from getting their fix.  Ethanol in water would have to be taxed like booze (because it IS booze).  Denaturing makes it unfit for human consumption, thus it is not taxed like booze. But denaturing doesn't effect its intended use as a fuel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The purpose of adding acetometophine is to increase its effecacy , not to discourage recreational use .
You can still get the narcotics without any other drugs added in and THAT is what people currently use recreationally .
Also , the reason alcohol at the hardware store is denatured is for tax reasons .
It 's not because we 're trying to keep alcoholics from getting their fix .
Ethanol in water would have to be taxed like booze ( because it IS booze ) .
Denaturing makes it unfit for human consumption , thus it is not taxed like booze .
But denaturing does n't effect its intended use as a fuel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The purpose of adding acetometophine is to increase its effecacy, not to discourage recreational use.
You can still get the narcotics without any other drugs added in and THAT is what people currently use recreationally.
Also, the reason alcohol at the hardware store is denatured is for tax reasons.
It's not because we're trying to keep alcoholics from getting their fix.
Ethanol in water would have to be taxed like booze (because it IS booze).
Denaturing makes it unfit for human consumption, thus it is not taxed like booze.
But denaturing doesn't effect its intended use as a fuel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560533</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And as someone with (a) chronic back pain and (b) a now-deceased drug addicted in-law, I'll chime in.</p><p>I need the Lortab. I use it sparingly, and try to halve the dose if I can (works about 1/3 of the time) because of the addictive potential and the side effects. (And I've seen &amp; dealt with both at close range. It is not pretty).</p><p>But according to the now-deceased in-law, the Tylenol is in there exactly \_because\_ an overdose can kill you (or your liver).  Generic Lortab et al are dirt cheap, and fairly readily prescribed.   The Tynenol is the disincentive for the addict to take the drug. Which means they at least have to work harder to get another drug, or leach out the Tylenol from the Lortab.</p><p>Yes, taking too much can kill you. It's not a bug. It's a feature.</p><p>I'd rather see OTC Tylenol banned. There are other good OTC options. But what I'd really rather see is some in gov't stand up and tell people to READ THE LABEL. Remind them that they are responsible for their actions.  Not that that will happen in the nanny state. (Soon to be a true ObamaNation).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And as someone with ( a ) chronic back pain and ( b ) a now-deceased drug addicted in-law , I 'll chime in.I need the Lortab .
I use it sparingly , and try to halve the dose if I can ( works about 1/3 of the time ) because of the addictive potential and the side effects .
( And I 've seen &amp; dealt with both at close range .
It is not pretty ) .But according to the now-deceased in-law , the Tylenol is in there exactly \ _because \ _ an overdose can kill you ( or your liver ) .
Generic Lortab et al are dirt cheap , and fairly readily prescribed .
The Tynenol is the disincentive for the addict to take the drug .
Which means they at least have to work harder to get another drug , or leach out the Tylenol from the Lortab.Yes , taking too much can kill you .
It 's not a bug .
It 's a feature.I 'd rather see OTC Tylenol banned .
There are other good OTC options .
But what I 'd really rather see is some in gov't stand up and tell people to READ THE LABEL .
Remind them that they are responsible for their actions .
Not that that will happen in the nanny state .
( Soon to be a true ObamaNation ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And as someone with (a) chronic back pain and (b) a now-deceased drug addicted in-law, I'll chime in.I need the Lortab.
I use it sparingly, and try to halve the dose if I can (works about 1/3 of the time) because of the addictive potential and the side effects.
(And I've seen &amp; dealt with both at close range.
It is not pretty).But according to the now-deceased in-law, the Tylenol is in there exactly \_because\_ an overdose can kill you (or your liver).
Generic Lortab et al are dirt cheap, and fairly readily prescribed.
The Tynenol is the disincentive for the addict to take the drug.
Which means they at least have to work harder to get another drug, or leach out the Tylenol from the Lortab.Yes, taking too much can kill you.
It's not a bug.
It's a feature.I'd rather see OTC Tylenol banned.
There are other good OTC options.
But what I'd really rather see is some in gov't stand up and tell people to READ THE LABEL.
Remind them that they are responsible for their actions.
Not that that will happen in the nanny state.
(Soon to be a true ObamaNation).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561165</id>
	<title>This will only cause more problems.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246561620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a pharmacy student I can tell you that Acetaminophen is there mainly to prevent the abuse from the harder opiate drug.  If patients try to abuse the acetaminophen containing drug they'll most likely get sick from the acetaminophen before they get too high off the painkiller, thus preventing abuse.  If these drugs are pulled from the market, I can only see the separate drugs (oxycodone, hydromorphone) being prescribed with the doctor telling the patient to take it with Tylenol.  This opens up the fact that patients are more likely just to take the opiate drug without the Tylenol, getting addicted, and causing even more problems.</p><p>It's the responsibility of the pharmacist to tell the patient how much acetaminophen to take in a day.  I've been taught and trained to counsel the patient that they can only take a maximum of 8 per day (based on if a tablet of Vicodin has 500mg of acetaminophen, for example) because of the liver problems that acetaminophen may cause.  And last I checked, maximum daily dosing on acetaminophen was 4000mg per day, not 2000.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a pharmacy student I can tell you that Acetaminophen is there mainly to prevent the abuse from the harder opiate drug .
If patients try to abuse the acetaminophen containing drug they 'll most likely get sick from the acetaminophen before they get too high off the painkiller , thus preventing abuse .
If these drugs are pulled from the market , I can only see the separate drugs ( oxycodone , hydromorphone ) being prescribed with the doctor telling the patient to take it with Tylenol .
This opens up the fact that patients are more likely just to take the opiate drug without the Tylenol , getting addicted , and causing even more problems.It 's the responsibility of the pharmacist to tell the patient how much acetaminophen to take in a day .
I 've been taught and trained to counsel the patient that they can only take a maximum of 8 per day ( based on if a tablet of Vicodin has 500mg of acetaminophen , for example ) because of the liver problems that acetaminophen may cause .
And last I checked , maximum daily dosing on acetaminophen was 4000mg per day , not 2000 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a pharmacy student I can tell you that Acetaminophen is there mainly to prevent the abuse from the harder opiate drug.
If patients try to abuse the acetaminophen containing drug they'll most likely get sick from the acetaminophen before they get too high off the painkiller, thus preventing abuse.
If these drugs are pulled from the market, I can only see the separate drugs (oxycodone, hydromorphone) being prescribed with the doctor telling the patient to take it with Tylenol.
This opens up the fact that patients are more likely just to take the opiate drug without the Tylenol, getting addicted, and causing even more problems.It's the responsibility of the pharmacist to tell the patient how much acetaminophen to take in a day.
I've been taught and trained to counsel the patient that they can only take a maximum of 8 per day (based on if a tablet of Vicodin has 500mg of acetaminophen, for example) because of the liver problems that acetaminophen may cause.
And last I checked, maximum daily dosing on acetaminophen was 4000mg per day, not 2000.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560365</id>
	<title>Effective dose very close to the toxic dose</title>
	<author>kenevel</author>
	<datestamp>1246559280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Paracetamol's problem (acetaminophen) is that it's effective dose is quite close to its toxic dose. I have often wondered why the tablets aren't sold with the antidote, acetylcysteine, mixed together and usually concluded it was down to the additional costs involved - which of course invites a comparison of those costs against those of treating overdose patients.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Paracetamol 's problem ( acetaminophen ) is that it 's effective dose is quite close to its toxic dose .
I have often wondered why the tablets are n't sold with the antidote , acetylcysteine , mixed together and usually concluded it was down to the additional costs involved - which of course invites a comparison of those costs against those of treating overdose patients .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paracetamol's problem (acetaminophen) is that it's effective dose is quite close to its toxic dose.
I have often wondered why the tablets aren't sold with the antidote, acetylcysteine, mixed together and usually concluded it was down to the additional costs involved - which of course invites a comparison of those costs against those of treating overdose patients.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563429</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246525620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What's so wrong with a good, 'ol firearm discharged to the temple?</p></div><p>It's messy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's so wrong with a good , 'ol firearm discharged to the temple ? It 's messy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's so wrong with a good, 'ol firearm discharged to the temple?It's messy.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560351</id>
	<title>Where is this 2,000 mg number coming from?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a nurse, I know that the current FDA limit is no more than 6,000 mg per day for up to ten days. Where is this new number from?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a nurse , I know that the current FDA limit is no more than 6,000 mg per day for up to ten days .
Where is this new number from ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a nurse, I know that the current FDA limit is no more than 6,000 mg per day for up to ten days.
Where is this new number from?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563415</id>
	<title>Re:Why BAN and not WARN?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246525620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because many of us don't want or need the Acetaminophen, but it's still bundled in there and doing liver damage.  If it is split out, the people who want/need it will can still take it separately, but others don't have to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because many of us do n't want or need the Acetaminophen , but it 's still bundled in there and doing liver damage .
If it is split out , the people who want/need it will can still take it separately , but others do n't have to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because many of us don't want or need the Acetaminophen, but it's still bundled in there and doing liver damage.
If it is split out, the people who want/need it will can still take it separately, but others don't have to.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28581221</id>
	<title>Re:how about Glypizide?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1246731900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many OTC medications have glypizide listed as an ingredient in the ultra fine print somewhere? Cold medicine isn't a painkiller (so far as most people know) but may contain acetaminophen.</p><p>Personally, I'd be more inclined to ban ultra fine print and require that anything containing acetaminophen prominently warn not to take with ANYthing else unless a doctor says so.</p><p>That and encourage a return to pain formulations containing aspirin (like we had before acetaminophen was found to be more profitable).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many OTC medications have glypizide listed as an ingredient in the ultra fine print somewhere ?
Cold medicine is n't a painkiller ( so far as most people know ) but may contain acetaminophen.Personally , I 'd be more inclined to ban ultra fine print and require that anything containing acetaminophen prominently warn not to take with ANYthing else unless a doctor says so.That and encourage a return to pain formulations containing aspirin ( like we had before acetaminophen was found to be more profitable ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many OTC medications have glypizide listed as an ingredient in the ultra fine print somewhere?
Cold medicine isn't a painkiller (so far as most people know) but may contain acetaminophen.Personally, I'd be more inclined to ban ultra fine print and require that anything containing acetaminophen prominently warn not to take with ANYthing else unless a doctor says so.That and encourage a return to pain formulations containing aspirin (like we had before acetaminophen was found to be more profitable).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560103</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>avandesande</author>
	<datestamp>1246558500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is not effective. There are better OTC painkillers that last longer than tylenol with a smaller dose. It really should just be eliminated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is not effective .
There are better OTC painkillers that last longer than tylenol with a smaller dose .
It really should just be eliminated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is not effective.
There are better OTC painkillers that last longer than tylenol with a smaller dose.
It really should just be eliminated.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560183</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>DriedClexler</author>
	<datestamp>1246558740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Lowering the dose of APAP in prescription pills makes sense too, I mean 650mg in Darvocets? Take that 4 times a day and you are already over the daily dose. All of that just to prevent some junkies from getting high?</p></div><p>Right on.  When I was first prescribed Tramadol, the only medicine to make inroads on my back pain, the doctor felt he had to spike it with tylenol.</p><p>Hint: if Tylenol were effective, I wouldn't be coming to you, moron.  Thanks for the poison.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Lowering the dose of APAP in prescription pills makes sense too , I mean 650mg in Darvocets ?
Take that 4 times a day and you are already over the daily dose .
All of that just to prevent some junkies from getting high ? Right on .
When I was first prescribed Tramadol , the only medicine to make inroads on my back pain , the doctor felt he had to spike it with tylenol.Hint : if Tylenol were effective , I would n't be coming to you , moron .
Thanks for the poison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Lowering the dose of APAP in prescription pills makes sense too, I mean 650mg in Darvocets?
Take that 4 times a day and you are already over the daily dose.
All of that just to prevent some junkies from getting high?Right on.
When I was first prescribed Tramadol, the only medicine to make inroads on my back pain, the doctor felt he had to spike it with tylenol.Hint: if Tylenol were effective, I wouldn't be coming to you, moron.
Thanks for the poison.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561571</id>
	<title>These were stupid drugs to begin with</title>
	<author>tgibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1246563000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills, instead of banning an effective pain reliever?</p></div></blockquote><p>Short answer: NO</p><p>We have two alternatives: (1) Educate people to understand that a little bit of acetaminophen can enhance the pain relief from opiates, give then an opiate prescription and advise them to take a few Tylenol (with a clear warning that they can up the opiate dose, but not the Tylenol dose, if they aren't getting enough pain relief). The Failure Mode is that a few people who might benefit won't understand to do this, and will get slightly less effective pain relief, and perhaps take a bit higher dose of opiate than they would otherwise. But the hazards of opiates are generally less than the hazard of acetaminophen (2) Sell the drugs as a combo, and try to educate people to understand that they shouldn't take extra pills, no matter how much pain they are in. The Failure Mode is that people who take extra pills because they don't understand, or because the pain is so overwhelming that they can't think straight, destroy their livers.</p><p>And of course, there is also the abuse problem. Pain relievers are often abused, particularly by teenagers who are unlikely to understand and appreciate the risks of acetaminophen (it's just Tylenol, right? They wouldn't sell it over-the-counter if it wasn't safe!). It is unlikely that the acetaminophen ever dissuaded anybody from getting high on Vicodin. And while a pain pill habit is a bad thing, it is not nearly as bad as liver failure.</p><p>These combinations were always a stupid idea. The give only modest improvement in pain relief, they don't really prevent abuse (ask any teenager if the kids in his school are passing around "pain pills" to get high), and they result in a large number of cases of liver failure.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills , instead of banning an effective pain reliever ? Short answer : NOWe have two alternatives : ( 1 ) Educate people to understand that a little bit of acetaminophen can enhance the pain relief from opiates , give then an opiate prescription and advise them to take a few Tylenol ( with a clear warning that they can up the opiate dose , but not the Tylenol dose , if they are n't getting enough pain relief ) .
The Failure Mode is that a few people who might benefit wo n't understand to do this , and will get slightly less effective pain relief , and perhaps take a bit higher dose of opiate than they would otherwise .
But the hazards of opiates are generally less than the hazard of acetaminophen ( 2 ) Sell the drugs as a combo , and try to educate people to understand that they should n't take extra pills , no matter how much pain they are in .
The Failure Mode is that people who take extra pills because they do n't understand , or because the pain is so overwhelming that they ca n't think straight , destroy their livers.And of course , there is also the abuse problem .
Pain relievers are often abused , particularly by teenagers who are unlikely to understand and appreciate the risks of acetaminophen ( it 's just Tylenol , right ?
They would n't sell it over-the-counter if it was n't safe ! ) .
It is unlikely that the acetaminophen ever dissuaded anybody from getting high on Vicodin .
And while a pain pill habit is a bad thing , it is not nearly as bad as liver failure.These combinations were always a stupid idea .
The give only modest improvement in pain relief , they do n't really prevent abuse ( ask any teenager if the kids in his school are passing around " pain pills " to get high ) , and they result in a large number of cases of liver failure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills, instead of banning an effective pain reliever?Short answer: NOWe have two alternatives: (1) Educate people to understand that a little bit of acetaminophen can enhance the pain relief from opiates, give then an opiate prescription and advise them to take a few Tylenol (with a clear warning that they can up the opiate dose, but not the Tylenol dose, if they aren't getting enough pain relief).
The Failure Mode is that a few people who might benefit won't understand to do this, and will get slightly less effective pain relief, and perhaps take a bit higher dose of opiate than they would otherwise.
But the hazards of opiates are generally less than the hazard of acetaminophen (2) Sell the drugs as a combo, and try to educate people to understand that they shouldn't take extra pills, no matter how much pain they are in.
The Failure Mode is that people who take extra pills because they don't understand, or because the pain is so overwhelming that they can't think straight, destroy their livers.And of course, there is also the abuse problem.
Pain relievers are often abused, particularly by teenagers who are unlikely to understand and appreciate the risks of acetaminophen (it's just Tylenol, right?
They wouldn't sell it over-the-counter if it wasn't safe!).
It is unlikely that the acetaminophen ever dissuaded anybody from getting high on Vicodin.
And while a pain pill habit is a bad thing, it is not nearly as bad as liver failure.These combinations were always a stupid idea.
The give only modest improvement in pain relief, they don't really prevent abuse (ask any teenager if the kids in his school are passing around "pain pills" to get high), and they result in a large number of cases of liver failure.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560773</id>
	<title>New Marketing for Tylenol:</title>
	<author>tekrat</author>
	<datestamp>1246560420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"We put the KILL in pain-killers!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" We put the KILL in pain-killers !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"We put the KILL in pain-killers!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561255</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1246561920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The directions for <a href="http://www.tylenol.com/print.jhtml?id=tylenol/hdache/exlpfaqprint.inc" title="tylenol.com">Tylenol</a> [tylenol.com] maximum strength say to take 1000mg every 4-6 hours, which adds up to 3,000 to 4,000 in a sixteen hour day (assuming that you don't wait four to six hours before you take your first dose). The packaging says to take no more than 4,000mg in a day, but the maximum safe allowance (according to tfa) is 2,000 mg per day.</p><p>.<br>So, it's not just stupid people who don't follow the directions. It's also people who follow them to the letter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The directions for Tylenol [ tylenol.com ] maximum strength say to take 1000mg every 4-6 hours , which adds up to 3,000 to 4,000 in a sixteen hour day ( assuming that you do n't wait four to six hours before you take your first dose ) .
The packaging says to take no more than 4,000mg in a day , but the maximum safe allowance ( according to tfa ) is 2,000 mg per day..So , it 's not just stupid people who do n't follow the directions .
It 's also people who follow them to the letter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The directions for Tylenol [tylenol.com] maximum strength say to take 1000mg every 4-6 hours, which adds up to 3,000 to 4,000 in a sixteen hour day (assuming that you don't wait four to six hours before you take your first dose).
The packaging says to take no more than 4,000mg in a day, but the maximum safe allowance (according to tfa) is 2,000 mg per day..So, it's not just stupid people who don't follow the directions.
It's also people who follow them to the letter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28576041</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1246623360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's all too common. Blindness inducing methanol is introduced into ethanol to avoid having to pay sin taxes and check IDs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's all too common .
Blindness inducing methanol is introduced into ethanol to avoid having to pay sin taxes and check IDs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's all too common.
Blindness inducing methanol is introduced into ethanol to avoid having to pay sin taxes and check IDs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562575</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246566240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some poor sod has to clean it up, that's what's wrong with it.  Think of the biohazard cleanup crews, you insensitive clod!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some poor sod has to clean it up , that 's what 's wrong with it .
Think of the biohazard cleanup crews , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some poor sod has to clean it up, that's what's wrong with it.
Think of the biohazard cleanup crews, you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560467</id>
	<title>Toxicity at 6g.</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1246559520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>can easily damage or destroy a patient's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
I heard doctors discussing this on NPR this morning state toxicity was 6 grams for a single dose (or narrow window), and 4 grams daily over a longer period.</p></div>
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<tokenext>can easily damage or destroy a patient 's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day I heard doctors discussing this on NPR this morning state toxicity was 6 grams for a single dose ( or narrow window ) , and 4 grams daily over a longer period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can easily damage or destroy a patient's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day

I heard doctors discussing this on NPR this morning state toxicity was 6 grams for a single dose (or narrow window), and 4 grams daily over a longer period.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28566091</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1246537860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aspirin seems to mess up people's stomach lining much more than acetaminophen/ibuprofen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Aspirin seems to mess up people 's stomach lining much more than acetaminophen/ibuprofen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aspirin seems to mess up people's stomach lining much more than acetaminophen/ibuprofen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563357</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1246525440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is that the recommended doses are dangerously close to overdoses. Yes, it's people's own fault, but there's a limit to how much risk is acceptable, especially if it's not well indicated on the packaging. The literature and public opinion is that over the counter painkillers are safe, and you don't have to worry about them. That may not be the reality of the situation, but that is the perception of it, and people act on perception, not reality. So, we either need to change the perception, or change the availability of the substance. Which do you think is easier?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that the recommended doses are dangerously close to overdoses .
Yes , it 's people 's own fault , but there 's a limit to how much risk is acceptable , especially if it 's not well indicated on the packaging .
The literature and public opinion is that over the counter painkillers are safe , and you do n't have to worry about them .
That may not be the reality of the situation , but that is the perception of it , and people act on perception , not reality .
So , we either need to change the perception , or change the availability of the substance .
Which do you think is easier ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that the recommended doses are dangerously close to overdoses.
Yes, it's people's own fault, but there's a limit to how much risk is acceptable, especially if it's not well indicated on the packaging.
The literature and public opinion is that over the counter painkillers are safe, and you don't have to worry about them.
That may not be the reality of the situation, but that is the perception of it, and people act on perception, not reality.
So, we either need to change the perception, or change the availability of the substance.
Which do you think is easier?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28568181</id>
	<title>Re:House, MD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246554120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>same here... acetamoniphen is the only thing that works for my headaches and relief is fast and lasting. aspirin+caffeine works but I got a severe gastritis. acetaminophen+caffeine works on a single 1000mg dose and I have had no side effects. of course I don't abuse the maximum daily dosage (I like my liver and can read and make sense of labels, thanks), but the FDA wants to protect responsible users from retards? what a nanny state the us has become.</htmltext>
<tokenext>same here... acetamoniphen is the only thing that works for my headaches and relief is fast and lasting .
aspirin + caffeine works but I got a severe gastritis .
acetaminophen + caffeine works on a single 1000mg dose and I have had no side effects .
of course I do n't abuse the maximum daily dosage ( I like my liver and can read and make sense of labels , thanks ) , but the FDA wants to protect responsible users from retards ?
what a nanny state the us has become .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>same here... acetamoniphen is the only thing that works for my headaches and relief is fast and lasting.
aspirin+caffeine works but I got a severe gastritis.
acetaminophen+caffeine works on a single 1000mg dose and I have had no side effects.
of course I don't abuse the maximum daily dosage (I like my liver and can read and make sense of labels, thanks), but the FDA wants to protect responsible users from retards?
what a nanny state the us has become.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561345</id>
	<title>You can't regulate stupidity and ignorance</title>
	<author>Rastl</author>
	<datestamp>1246562160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you get your prescription for these drugs filled the pharmacist tells you not to take Tylenol with it.  Your doctor should be asking if you're taking Tylenol.  They're doing their jobs.</p><p>The specific combination of drugs is also important.  My husband requires brand name Vicodin (at a premium cost) because there's something about the way they make it that just works much better than generics for him.  Getting hydrocodone and taking it with Tylenol isn't going to do that.</p><p>If people can't read the labels and aren't following instructions then they're going to find another way to fuck themselves up.  If you sell the narcotic separately do you really think for one moment that they're not going to abuse that?  "Take one of these with 2 Tylenol every 4 to 6 hours" = "Take a whole bunch of the good ones and screw the Tylenol" in those people's minds.</p><p>I don't see taking a highly useful class of drugs off the shelf because people are stupid.  Who do I write to stop this idiocy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you get your prescription for these drugs filled the pharmacist tells you not to take Tylenol with it .
Your doctor should be asking if you 're taking Tylenol .
They 're doing their jobs.The specific combination of drugs is also important .
My husband requires brand name Vicodin ( at a premium cost ) because there 's something about the way they make it that just works much better than generics for him .
Getting hydrocodone and taking it with Tylenol is n't going to do that.If people ca n't read the labels and are n't following instructions then they 're going to find another way to fuck themselves up .
If you sell the narcotic separately do you really think for one moment that they 're not going to abuse that ?
" Take one of these with 2 Tylenol every 4 to 6 hours " = " Take a whole bunch of the good ones and screw the Tylenol " in those people 's minds.I do n't see taking a highly useful class of drugs off the shelf because people are stupid .
Who do I write to stop this idiocy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you get your prescription for these drugs filled the pharmacist tells you not to take Tylenol with it.
Your doctor should be asking if you're taking Tylenol.
They're doing their jobs.The specific combination of drugs is also important.
My husband requires brand name Vicodin (at a premium cost) because there's something about the way they make it that just works much better than generics for him.
Getting hydrocodone and taking it with Tylenol isn't going to do that.If people can't read the labels and aren't following instructions then they're going to find another way to fuck themselves up.
If you sell the narcotic separately do you really think for one moment that they're not going to abuse that?
"Take one of these with 2 Tylenol every 4 to 6 hours" = "Take a whole bunch of the good ones and screw the Tylenol" in those people's minds.I don't see taking a highly useful class of drugs off the shelf because people are stupid.
Who do I write to stop this idiocy?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560193</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1246558740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't it also make sense to educate car drivers in this country so they drive better and cause fewer accidents, rather than just handing a driver's license to anyone who can pass a simple vision test with no regard to their driving skills?</p><p>The USA is firmly against educating car drivers; why would it want to educate medication users?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it also make sense to educate car drivers in this country so they drive better and cause fewer accidents , rather than just handing a driver 's license to anyone who can pass a simple vision test with no regard to their driving skills ? The USA is firmly against educating car drivers ; why would it want to educate medication users ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it also make sense to educate car drivers in this country so they drive better and cause fewer accidents, rather than just handing a driver's license to anyone who can pass a simple vision test with no regard to their driving skills?The USA is firmly against educating car drivers; why would it want to educate medication users?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563793</id>
	<title>FDA should be done away with</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246526880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They keep more life saving drugs from people then life threatening ones. Ten minutes with the research done by Mary Ruwart will show you that the FDAs existence is counter to their goal. Prohibition will be a net loss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They keep more life saving drugs from people then life threatening ones .
Ten minutes with the research done by Mary Ruwart will show you that the FDAs existence is counter to their goal .
Prohibition will be a net loss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They keep more life saving drugs from people then life threatening ones.
Ten minutes with the research done by Mary Ruwart will show you that the FDAs existence is counter to their goal.
Prohibition will be a net loss.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28569129</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1246653360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills,</i> <p>

That would only work under the condition that people who are in severe pain can still act rationally all the time. I wouldn't consider this valid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills , That would only work under the condition that people who are in severe pain can still act rationally all the time .
I would n't consider this valid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills, 

That would only work under the condition that people who are in severe pain can still act rationally all the time.
I wouldn't consider this valid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560611</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1246559940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not that I recommend anyone do this, but there's <a href="http://jpet.aspetjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/jpet.106.111872v1" title="aspetjournals.org">evidence</a> [aspetjournals.org] that replacing the reducing equivalents available to your liver with a supplement like SAMe can reduce hepatoxicity of acetaminophen(APAP).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not that I recommend anyone do this , but there 's evidence [ aspetjournals.org ] that replacing the reducing equivalents available to your liver with a supplement like SAMe can reduce hepatoxicity of acetaminophen ( APAP ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not that I recommend anyone do this, but there's evidence [aspetjournals.org] that replacing the reducing equivalents available to your liver with a supplement like SAMe can reduce hepatoxicity of acetaminophen(APAP).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562883</id>
	<title>Re:Include the antidote !</title>
	<author>Shuntros</author>
	<datestamp>1246567140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please pronounce the drug by its correct name; Paracetamol. America has a really big problem with confusing brand names with drug names. Just like I Hoover my lounge, with a Dyson...<br> <br>My mother is a pharmacist, so is my wife. Following a motorcycle accident I was prescribed 60mg codeine 4x daily. When I moved from a very nice area to just a 'nice' area, that was substituted for 1000mg paracetamol + 60mg codeine 4x daily. It's common knowledge that the main reason for precribing the latter over the former is to prevent abuse. Paracetamol, or Placebotamol as it's often pronounced, is shite as a painkiller (except for certain specific conditions) and serves no purpose but to destroy your liver.<br> <br>Even my professional family members are sufficiently wary to advise undertaking cold-water separation to get rid of the placebotamol and retain the useful drug without damaging my health.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please pronounce the drug by its correct name ; Paracetamol .
America has a really big problem with confusing brand names with drug names .
Just like I Hoover my lounge , with a Dyson... My mother is a pharmacist , so is my wife .
Following a motorcycle accident I was prescribed 60mg codeine 4x daily .
When I moved from a very nice area to just a 'nice ' area , that was substituted for 1000mg paracetamol + 60mg codeine 4x daily .
It 's common knowledge that the main reason for precribing the latter over the former is to prevent abuse .
Paracetamol , or Placebotamol as it 's often pronounced , is shite as a painkiller ( except for certain specific conditions ) and serves no purpose but to destroy your liver .
Even my professional family members are sufficiently wary to advise undertaking cold-water separation to get rid of the placebotamol and retain the useful drug without damaging my health .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please pronounce the drug by its correct name; Paracetamol.
America has a really big problem with confusing brand names with drug names.
Just like I Hoover my lounge, with a Dyson... My mother is a pharmacist, so is my wife.
Following a motorcycle accident I was prescribed 60mg codeine 4x daily.
When I moved from a very nice area to just a 'nice' area, that was substituted for 1000mg paracetamol + 60mg codeine 4x daily.
It's common knowledge that the main reason for precribing the latter over the former is to prevent abuse.
Paracetamol, or Placebotamol as it's often pronounced, is shite as a painkiller (except for certain specific conditions) and serves no purpose but to destroy your liver.
Even my professional family members are sufficiently wary to advise undertaking cold-water separation to get rid of the placebotamol and retain the useful drug without damaging my health.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561717</id>
	<title>Re:Logic fail</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246563480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're not worried about overdosing, they're worried about people getting high. You can't overdose on pot, but it's as illegal as heroin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're not worried about overdosing , they 're worried about people getting high .
You ca n't overdose on pot , but it 's as illegal as heroin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're not worried about overdosing, they're worried about people getting high.
You can't overdose on pot, but it's as illegal as heroin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562163</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246565040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bah, if I watned to off myself, I'd do it in a way that would be talked about for a while.</p><p>I'd build a guillotine.</p><p>No mistakes, and it's instant... and you're just about guaranteed to get in the news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bah , if I watned to off myself , I 'd do it in a way that would be talked about for a while.I 'd build a guillotine.No mistakes , and it 's instant... and you 're just about guaranteed to get in the news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bah, if I watned to off myself, I'd do it in a way that would be talked about for a while.I'd build a guillotine.No mistakes, and it's instant... and you're just about guaranteed to get in the news.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559997</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561365</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246562280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can we ban water as well?  if you drink 6 gallons in an hour it will kill you!</p></div><p>Drinking too much over time can be deadly as well. My mom worked at a mental health facility, one of her patients had the idea in her head that water was healthy, thus more water is more healthy, she drank so much water that eventually her body couldn't keep it in her cells and out of her lungs, she drowned.</p><p>Mom said it was one of the worst things she has ever seen. A water overdose.</p><p>I only wish I were joking.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we ban water as well ?
if you drink 6 gallons in an hour it will kill you ! Drinking too much over time can be deadly as well .
My mom worked at a mental health facility , one of her patients had the idea in her head that water was healthy , thus more water is more healthy , she drank so much water that eventually her body could n't keep it in her cells and out of her lungs , she drowned.Mom said it was one of the worst things she has ever seen .
A water overdose.I only wish I were joking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we ban water as well?
if you drink 6 gallons in an hour it will kill you!Drinking too much over time can be deadly as well.
My mom worked at a mental health facility, one of her patients had the idea in her head that water was healthy, thus more water is more healthy, she drank so much water that eventually her body couldn't keep it in her cells and out of her lungs, she drowned.Mom said it was one of the worst things she has ever seen.
A water overdose.I only wish I were joking.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559965</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>well, your older sister needs to learn how to read studies and not repeat lies spread on the internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>well , your older sister needs to learn how to read studies and not repeat lies spread on the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well, your older sister needs to learn how to read studies and not repeat lies spread on the internet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559951</id>
	<title>As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... good.</p><p>My prescription is 7.5mg hydrocodone, 500mg acetaminophen (standard - though there are a few variations on the amount of hydrocodone). The FDA has enforced that amount of acetaminophen, for two reasons. Hydrocodone is relatively addictive, and acetaminophen often induces a huge amount of nausea. This acts as a deterrent for anyone trying to "get high" off of the hydrocodone. Second, acetaminophen is a pretty decent pain killer, which hey, if you're taking lortab, that is the whole point.</p><p>My problem is the raw nausea induced. It's not uncommon for me to need to take one, and then develop a severe stomach, erm, 'problem' to the point where I can't do anything until a couple minutes after I've emptied my stomach into the nearby toilet. That is solely a side effect of the acetaminophen.</p><p>The "hey my liver is going to live" is a bonus effect from the removal of acetaminophen as far as I'm concerned.</p><p>The problem of course - is what they'd replace the acetaminophen with, should they want to continue shipping lortab (and friends). I somehow doubt it'd be any better in terms of side effects.</p><p>But I can hope.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... good.My prescription is 7.5mg hydrocodone , 500mg acetaminophen ( standard - though there are a few variations on the amount of hydrocodone ) .
The FDA has enforced that amount of acetaminophen , for two reasons .
Hydrocodone is relatively addictive , and acetaminophen often induces a huge amount of nausea .
This acts as a deterrent for anyone trying to " get high " off of the hydrocodone .
Second , acetaminophen is a pretty decent pain killer , which hey , if you 're taking lortab , that is the whole point.My problem is the raw nausea induced .
It 's not uncommon for me to need to take one , and then develop a severe stomach , erm , 'problem ' to the point where I ca n't do anything until a couple minutes after I 've emptied my stomach into the nearby toilet .
That is solely a side effect of the acetaminophen.The " hey my liver is going to live " is a bonus effect from the removal of acetaminophen as far as I 'm concerned.The problem of course - is what they 'd replace the acetaminophen with , should they want to continue shipping lortab ( and friends ) .
I somehow doubt it 'd be any better in terms of side effects.But I can hope .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... good.My prescription is 7.5mg hydrocodone, 500mg acetaminophen (standard - though there are a few variations on the amount of hydrocodone).
The FDA has enforced that amount of acetaminophen, for two reasons.
Hydrocodone is relatively addictive, and acetaminophen often induces a huge amount of nausea.
This acts as a deterrent for anyone trying to "get high" off of the hydrocodone.
Second, acetaminophen is a pretty decent pain killer, which hey, if you're taking lortab, that is the whole point.My problem is the raw nausea induced.
It's not uncommon for me to need to take one, and then develop a severe stomach, erm, 'problem' to the point where I can't do anything until a couple minutes after I've emptied my stomach into the nearby toilet.
That is solely a side effect of the acetaminophen.The "hey my liver is going to live" is a bonus effect from the removal of acetaminophen as far as I'm concerned.The problem of course - is what they'd replace the acetaminophen with, should they want to continue shipping lortab (and friends).
I somehow doubt it'd be any better in terms of side effects.But I can hope.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560323</id>
	<title>Re:So too much acetaminophen can kill you?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And if I said that three beers a day will kill you within 5 years?  Well, having been prescribed a standard prescription of vicodin which contains 500 mg of ace., 6 tables a day.   You can do the math.</p><p>And this has been for 2 years for nerve damage.  And yes, I have liver damage.  I'm not a make believe TV doctor and I don't pretend to be one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And if I said that three beers a day will kill you within 5 years ?
Well , having been prescribed a standard prescription of vicodin which contains 500 mg of ace. , 6 tables a day .
You can do the math.And this has been for 2 years for nerve damage .
And yes , I have liver damage .
I 'm not a make believe TV doctor and I do n't pretend to be one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if I said that three beers a day will kill you within 5 years?
Well, having been prescribed a standard prescription of vicodin which contains 500 mg of ace., 6 tables a day.
You can do the math.And this has been for 2 years for nerve damage.
And yes, I have liver damage.
I'm not a make believe TV doctor and I don't pretend to be one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559989</id>
	<title>Well then don't do that</title>
	<author>Paul Carver</author>
	<datestamp>1246558200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, if you take any of these pills and then drive your car into a telephone pole or across the median of a highway you could die. Also, if you don't take any of these pills and then drive your car into a telephone pole or across the median of a highway you could die. I think this is a classic case of "don't do that, stupid"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , if you take any of these pills and then drive your car into a telephone pole or across the median of a highway you could die .
Also , if you do n't take any of these pills and then drive your car into a telephone pole or across the median of a highway you could die .
I think this is a classic case of " do n't do that , stupid "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, if you take any of these pills and then drive your car into a telephone pole or across the median of a highway you could die.
Also, if you don't take any of these pills and then drive your car into a telephone pole or across the median of a highway you could die.
I think this is a classic case of "don't do that, stupid"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562197</id>
	<title>Re:Why BAN and not WARN?</title>
	<author>greyhueofdoubt</author>
	<datestamp>1246565220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know if you've seen these TV ads in your area, but over the last few months I've been noticing two things:</p><p>-Aspirin, especially Bayer, has been really pushing its relative safety vs other OTC anti-inflammatories/analgesics<br>-Tylenol has been pushing the "If you can't use tylenol safely, I'd rather you didn't use it at all" commercials with the stern-but-caring doctor character</p><p>It makes me wonder if this has been in the works for a while and the companies were trying to curry public favor in advance.</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if you 've seen these TV ads in your area , but over the last few months I 've been noticing two things : -Aspirin , especially Bayer , has been really pushing its relative safety vs other OTC anti-inflammatories/analgesics-Tylenol has been pushing the " If you ca n't use tylenol safely , I 'd rather you did n't use it at all " commercials with the stern-but-caring doctor characterIt makes me wonder if this has been in the works for a while and the companies were trying to curry public favor in advance.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if you've seen these TV ads in your area, but over the last few months I've been noticing two things:-Aspirin, especially Bayer, has been really pushing its relative safety vs other OTC anti-inflammatories/analgesics-Tylenol has been pushing the "If you can't use tylenol safely, I'd rather you didn't use it at all" commercials with the stern-but-caring doctor characterIt makes me wonder if this has been in the works for a while and the companies were trying to curry public favor in advance.-b</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560745</id>
	<title>freeballer</title>
	<author>freeballer</author>
	<datestamp>1246560360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll be first to admit I do not have the worse back problem, and (thankfully) there is no pins, breaks, etc.. I have mild scoliosis<br>
They cannot operate and my doctor knows very much how many tylenol I use and I've told him I'm worried about my liver and other health issues dealing with aceta... use but completely refuses to use anything else to eleviate my pain.. Which btw, I can't completely make someone without back problems understand but keep me in bed most of day is prolonged and with me 24/7. There are times where it feels like someone is popping my head of my neck like a dandelion and I can't think straight, drive or even walk because of the pain. Granted I'm in canada, but if this happens in usa I'm pucked if the ban comes here. I'd rather not be on pain killers at all, and definitely not on anything like oxy, morphene, etc.. but only thing that works is codeine so far, and even then my doctor refuses to up my dosage - even if I can't take more than my usual dose without being sick. I've tried physio, yoga, acupuncture, gym, and a bunch of other things without helping at all. + Advil and other meds such as anti-imflamatory, etc.. has been tried and totally failed. Even some replacements to codeine have me popping 8 or more tylenol during day.</p><p>
I guess what I'm saying here is that nobody in pain wants to be in pain of course but they will take what they need to to be productive, get through work/sports like I do.
Until they figure some new kind of miracle drug they should not remove one of the only solutions people have to help them manage pain. Alot of doctors are scared to put people on narcotics, and rightfully so in alot of cases... and what about regular people who have pain? and those who other solutions don't work (advil, etc..)
</p><p>
I dunno. I wanted to rant, because this is something I'm familiar with and just sorta ticks me off<br>
Geo</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll be first to admit I do not have the worse back problem , and ( thankfully ) there is no pins , breaks , etc.. I have mild scoliosis They can not operate and my doctor knows very much how many tylenol I use and I 've told him I 'm worried about my liver and other health issues dealing with aceta... use but completely refuses to use anything else to eleviate my pain.. Which btw , I ca n't completely make someone without back problems understand but keep me in bed most of day is prolonged and with me 24/7 .
There are times where it feels like someone is popping my head of my neck like a dandelion and I ca n't think straight , drive or even walk because of the pain .
Granted I 'm in canada , but if this happens in usa I 'm pucked if the ban comes here .
I 'd rather not be on pain killers at all , and definitely not on anything like oxy , morphene , etc.. but only thing that works is codeine so far , and even then my doctor refuses to up my dosage - even if I ca n't take more than my usual dose without being sick .
I 've tried physio , yoga , acupuncture , gym , and a bunch of other things without helping at all .
+ Advil and other meds such as anti-imflamatory , etc.. has been tried and totally failed .
Even some replacements to codeine have me popping 8 or more tylenol during day .
I guess what I 'm saying here is that nobody in pain wants to be in pain of course but they will take what they need to to be productive , get through work/sports like I do .
Until they figure some new kind of miracle drug they should not remove one of the only solutions people have to help them manage pain .
Alot of doctors are scared to put people on narcotics , and rightfully so in alot of cases... and what about regular people who have pain ?
and those who other solutions do n't work ( advil , etc.. ) I dunno .
I wanted to rant , because this is something I 'm familiar with and just sorta ticks me off Geo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll be first to admit I do not have the worse back problem, and (thankfully) there is no pins, breaks, etc.. I have mild scoliosis
They cannot operate and my doctor knows very much how many tylenol I use and I've told him I'm worried about my liver and other health issues dealing with aceta... use but completely refuses to use anything else to eleviate my pain.. Which btw, I can't completely make someone without back problems understand but keep me in bed most of day is prolonged and with me 24/7.
There are times where it feels like someone is popping my head of my neck like a dandelion and I can't think straight, drive or even walk because of the pain.
Granted I'm in canada, but if this happens in usa I'm pucked if the ban comes here.
I'd rather not be on pain killers at all, and definitely not on anything like oxy, morphene, etc.. but only thing that works is codeine so far, and even then my doctor refuses to up my dosage - even if I can't take more than my usual dose without being sick.
I've tried physio, yoga, acupuncture, gym, and a bunch of other things without helping at all.
+ Advil and other meds such as anti-imflamatory, etc.. has been tried and totally failed.
Even some replacements to codeine have me popping 8 or more tylenol during day.
I guess what I'm saying here is that nobody in pain wants to be in pain of course but they will take what they need to to be productive, get through work/sports like I do.
Until they figure some new kind of miracle drug they should not remove one of the only solutions people have to help them manage pain.
Alot of doctors are scared to put people on narcotics, and rightfully so in alot of cases... and what about regular people who have pain?
and those who other solutions don't work (advil, etc..)

I dunno.
I wanted to rant, because this is something I'm familiar with and just sorta ticks me off
Geo</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560169</id>
	<title>Thanks, but it's too late for me.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even though I was concerned about taking the maximum daily limit of vicodin and then percocet, my doctors dismissed my concerns as all they really care about is treating my spine/nerve damage.  Well now that my pre-surgery tests show that my enzyme levels were high, you would think that my neurologist and neurosurgen would care.  Nope.</p><p>After switching doctors, my new neurologist has the same careless attitude towards how many percocet that I take daily.  My he proscribes up to 6-500 mg per day.  According to this recommendation I feel bitter about towards the highly uneducated pimps that call themselves doctors.  So not only was my spine surgery not successful I know have to deal with liver damage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even though I was concerned about taking the maximum daily limit of vicodin and then percocet , my doctors dismissed my concerns as all they really care about is treating my spine/nerve damage .
Well now that my pre-surgery tests show that my enzyme levels were high , you would think that my neurologist and neurosurgen would care .
Nope.After switching doctors , my new neurologist has the same careless attitude towards how many percocet that I take daily .
My he proscribes up to 6-500 mg per day .
According to this recommendation I feel bitter about towards the highly uneducated pimps that call themselves doctors .
So not only was my spine surgery not successful I know have to deal with liver damage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even though I was concerned about taking the maximum daily limit of vicodin and then percocet, my doctors dismissed my concerns as all they really care about is treating my spine/nerve damage.
Well now that my pre-surgery tests show that my enzyme levels were high, you would think that my neurologist and neurosurgen would care.
Nope.After switching doctors, my new neurologist has the same careless attitude towards how many percocet that I take daily.
My he proscribes up to 6-500 mg per day.
According to this recommendation I feel bitter about towards the highly uneducated pimps that call themselves doctors.
So not only was my spine surgery not successful I know have to deal with liver damage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560913</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246560840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, congratulations. Your are painfully igonrant in politics as well as mathmatics. You must be in the 50\% that is below "average".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , congratulations .
Your are painfully igonrant in politics as well as mathmatics .
You must be in the 50 \ % that is below " average " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, congratulations.
Your are painfully igonrant in politics as well as mathmatics.
You must be in the 50\% that is below "average".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561079</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1246561260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Anyone taking medicine should know they have to check for drug interactions and overdoses.</p> </div><p>But the recommended dosage of Tylenol extra strength (1000 mg every 4-6 hours) can be enough to cause live damage, if you really take it every four to six hours for a 16 hour day. The "maximum" dosage is 4000 mg per day, which is 4 times the safe limit. If following the directions causes liver damage, then it's an unsafe product.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone taking medicine should know they have to check for drug interactions and overdoses .
But the recommended dosage of Tylenol extra strength ( 1000 mg every 4-6 hours ) can be enough to cause live damage , if you really take it every four to six hours for a 16 hour day .
The " maximum " dosage is 4000 mg per day , which is 4 times the safe limit .
If following the directions causes liver damage , then it 's an unsafe product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone taking medicine should know they have to check for drug interactions and overdoses.
But the recommended dosage of Tylenol extra strength (1000 mg every 4-6 hours) can be enough to cause live damage, if you really take it every four to six hours for a 16 hour day.
The "maximum" dosage is 4000 mg per day, which is 4 times the safe limit.
If following the directions causes liver damage, then it's an unsafe product.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561811</id>
	<title>Looks like ...</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1246563780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...the wrong week to quit drinking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the wrong week to quit drinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the wrong week to quit drinking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28564149</id>
	<title>What's wrong with your country?</title>
	<author>holophrastic</author>
	<datestamp>1246528320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you guys clearly need a greater focus on education.  I'm simply not sure which, so help me out.</p><p>Either your citizens can't read directions/prescriptions and don't know how many to take, and simply take a random amount of random drugs.</p><p>Or they don't know how to call a nurse/pharmacist and ask for help.</p><p>Or your communities don't know how to set up information telephone numbers for exactly this sort of thing (we have numbers, like 411, but for other things.  One for community information like getting a hold of your local municipal minister/representative, another for talking to a nurse who won't give you medical advice, but will help you to identify an unbottled pill or which pills you can and cannot take together.</p><p>Or you don't know how to prioritize actual national problems over insignificant problems that don't kill nearly enough people (by comparison) to be worth all of the trouble.</p><p>Or you don't know how to realize that if you don't make it easy for people to intentionally kill themselves, that they'll simply go to more trouble to kill themselves anyway.</p><p>Or you don't know how to realize that you government is covering up the fact that they can't solve actual problems by fabricating new problems and then dumbass solutions to those new problems even to the detriment of existing solutions -- like medicating the ill.</p><p>It's funny, on of my businesses manufactures a 45-lbs electronic device.   We've had to go through all sorts of safety tests to ensure that if someone wants to commit suicide, they can't stick their finger into the box and touch a live electrical circuit even though it's pretty well low-powerred.    Funny part is that it's a 45-lbs device.  If you wanted to kill yourself, you could just drop the device onto your head.</p><p>Of course, you could always just run head-long into a concrete wall.</p><p>Maybe that's the education that your citizens need -- how to easily kill yourself so you don't make perfectly legitimate industries go through hell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you guys clearly need a greater focus on education .
I 'm simply not sure which , so help me out.Either your citizens ca n't read directions/prescriptions and do n't know how many to take , and simply take a random amount of random drugs.Or they do n't know how to call a nurse/pharmacist and ask for help.Or your communities do n't know how to set up information telephone numbers for exactly this sort of thing ( we have numbers , like 411 , but for other things .
One for community information like getting a hold of your local municipal minister/representative , another for talking to a nurse who wo n't give you medical advice , but will help you to identify an unbottled pill or which pills you can and can not take together.Or you do n't know how to prioritize actual national problems over insignificant problems that do n't kill nearly enough people ( by comparison ) to be worth all of the trouble.Or you do n't know how to realize that if you do n't make it easy for people to intentionally kill themselves , that they 'll simply go to more trouble to kill themselves anyway.Or you do n't know how to realize that you government is covering up the fact that they ca n't solve actual problems by fabricating new problems and then dumbass solutions to those new problems even to the detriment of existing solutions -- like medicating the ill.It 's funny , on of my businesses manufactures a 45-lbs electronic device .
We 've had to go through all sorts of safety tests to ensure that if someone wants to commit suicide , they ca n't stick their finger into the box and touch a live electrical circuit even though it 's pretty well low-powerred .
Funny part is that it 's a 45-lbs device .
If you wanted to kill yourself , you could just drop the device onto your head.Of course , you could always just run head-long into a concrete wall.Maybe that 's the education that your citizens need -- how to easily kill yourself so you do n't make perfectly legitimate industries go through hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you guys clearly need a greater focus on education.
I'm simply not sure which, so help me out.Either your citizens can't read directions/prescriptions and don't know how many to take, and simply take a random amount of random drugs.Or they don't know how to call a nurse/pharmacist and ask for help.Or your communities don't know how to set up information telephone numbers for exactly this sort of thing (we have numbers, like 411, but for other things.
One for community information like getting a hold of your local municipal minister/representative, another for talking to a nurse who won't give you medical advice, but will help you to identify an unbottled pill or which pills you can and cannot take together.Or you don't know how to prioritize actual national problems over insignificant problems that don't kill nearly enough people (by comparison) to be worth all of the trouble.Or you don't know how to realize that if you don't make it easy for people to intentionally kill themselves, that they'll simply go to more trouble to kill themselves anyway.Or you don't know how to realize that you government is covering up the fact that they can't solve actual problems by fabricating new problems and then dumbass solutions to those new problems even to the detriment of existing solutions -- like medicating the ill.It's funny, on of my businesses manufactures a 45-lbs electronic device.
We've had to go through all sorts of safety tests to ensure that if someone wants to commit suicide, they can't stick their finger into the box and touch a live electrical circuit even though it's pretty well low-powerred.
Funny part is that it's a 45-lbs device.
If you wanted to kill yourself, you could just drop the device onto your head.Of course, you could always just run head-long into a concrete wall.Maybe that's the education that your citizens need -- how to easily kill yourself so you don't make perfectly legitimate industries go through hell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563779</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246526820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a pharmacy person in a larger hospital, we see plenty of Acetaminophen overdoses. Heck at this point I even have the treatment memorized....acetylcysteine 140mg/kg loading dose then half that every 4 hours for 17 doses. Plus bicarb for acidosis, and dialysis as needed.</p><p>There are hundreds that die every year just from accidental overdoses under hospital care. I say be rid of the stuff if possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a pharmacy person in a larger hospital , we see plenty of Acetaminophen overdoses .
Heck at this point I even have the treatment memorized....acetylcysteine 140mg/kg loading dose then half that every 4 hours for 17 doses .
Plus bicarb for acidosis , and dialysis as needed.There are hundreds that die every year just from accidental overdoses under hospital care .
I say be rid of the stuff if possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a pharmacy person in a larger hospital, we see plenty of Acetaminophen overdoses.
Heck at this point I even have the treatment memorized....acetylcysteine 140mg/kg loading dose then half that every 4 hours for 17 doses.
Plus bicarb for acidosis, and dialysis as needed.There are hundreds that die every year just from accidental overdoses under hospital care.
I say be rid of the stuff if possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28564135</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>mr100percent</author>
	<datestamp>1246528260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used Percocet as an example because more familiar with its ingredients (which are popular brands of their own) than they are with Vicodin. However, my points apply to Vicodin as well. Vicodin is a very popular painkiller and it's not going away anytime soon, though it may lose the acetaminophen and be sold separately.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used Percocet as an example because more familiar with its ingredients ( which are popular brands of their own ) than they are with Vicodin .
However , my points apply to Vicodin as well .
Vicodin is a very popular painkiller and it 's not going away anytime soon , though it may lose the acetaminophen and be sold separately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used Percocet as an example because more familiar with its ingredients (which are popular brands of their own) than they are with Vicodin.
However, my points apply to Vicodin as well.
Vicodin is a very popular painkiller and it's not going away anytime soon, though it may lose the acetaminophen and be sold separately.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28567267</id>
	<title>Re:Why BAN and not WARN?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246545540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you ban, you foster trust in the doctor.  If you warn, you tell people they must be careful about what they ingest, that they should second guess the doctor, and more generally, that they should second guess people who purport to help them, in particular the government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ban , you foster trust in the doctor .
If you warn , you tell people they must be careful about what they ingest , that they should second guess the doctor , and more generally , that they should second guess people who purport to help them , in particular the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you ban, you foster trust in the doctor.
If you warn, you tell people they must be careful about what they ingest, that they should second guess the doctor, and more generally, that they should second guess people who purport to help them, in particular the government.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563131</id>
	<title>Re:Easy to OD on acetaminophen. Need better labels</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246567860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're a programmer not a doctor?  It doesn't sound much like a programmer since programmers are also usually engineers?  I knew from all of the documentation since I was in my mid-teens not to take too much acetaminophen.  That's a silly argument that it was their fault; its your fault, the information is out there.  Were you told to take two pills every 4-6 hours?  Lack of common sense is what you have, and unfortunately still alive to spread your genes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're a programmer not a doctor ?
It does n't sound much like a programmer since programmers are also usually engineers ?
I knew from all of the documentation since I was in my mid-teens not to take too much acetaminophen .
That 's a silly argument that it was their fault ; its your fault , the information is out there .
Were you told to take two pills every 4-6 hours ?
Lack of common sense is what you have , and unfortunately still alive to spread your genes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're a programmer not a doctor?
It doesn't sound much like a programmer since programmers are also usually engineers?
I knew from all of the documentation since I was in my mid-teens not to take too much acetaminophen.
That's a silly argument that it was their fault; its your fault, the information is out there.
Were you told to take two pills every 4-6 hours?
Lack of common sense is what you have, and unfortunately still alive to spread your genes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560279</id>
	<title>Re:more pointless prohibition</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1246559040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is idiots that go "Oh damn, my arm really hurts. I'm going to take this Percocet AND this Tylenol, it's harmless.".</p><p>While we're at it we might as well ban Alcohol. I can't tell you the number of idiots I knew in college whose solution to a bad hangover was Tylenol.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is idiots that go " Oh damn , my arm really hurts .
I 'm going to take this Percocet AND this Tylenol , it 's harmless .
" .While we 're at it we might as well ban Alcohol .
I ca n't tell you the number of idiots I knew in college whose solution to a bad hangover was Tylenol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is idiots that go "Oh damn, my arm really hurts.
I'm going to take this Percocet AND this Tylenol, it's harmless.
".While we're at it we might as well ban Alcohol.
I can't tell you the number of idiots I knew in college whose solution to a bad hangover was Tylenol.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562097</id>
	<title>The problem is Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>Budenny</author>
	<datestamp>1246564860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is, the lethal dose is very close to the effective dose.  In addition, the effect of an overdose is not getting sick, its death. It is not a drug that should be sold over the counter.  It is simply not safe.</p><p>To compound that, it is being misused.  It is being mixed with opiates to prevent people overdosing for kicks on the opiates, by mixing the opiates with a substance which is lethal if too much is taken.  This is a misuse of Acetaminophen, it is not being compounded with the opiates for the therapeutic effect, but for social purposes to do with our attitudes to opiate abuse.</p><p>Something similar happened in the UK with cough mixture.  Everyone, pharmacists and doctors, knows that the only effective cough suppressant is codeine.  However, in the mania about stopping abuse of codeine based cough syrups, it is sold either mixed with other positively harmful ingredients or not at all.  In Gee's Linctus, for example, an optium extract is sold mixed with Quill, which is a truly noxious substance and one of the worst things to give to an invalid.</p><p>We need to do a few things.  One is to focus more on getting the opiates to people who are sick, stop worrying about people who are sick and need them abusing them.  They will not.  This implies that if people need opiates, prescribe the things to them, not mixed with crap they do not need.   The second thing is we do have to have a rational drug policy which prevents the crime and disease associated with opiate abuse - but what we do not need is to screw up sick people's access to drugs they need in the name of doing this.  Not that it does it, anyway.</p><p>The third is we need to take Acetaminophen off the over the counter list altogether.</p><p>If a doctor wishes to prescribe a mixture of opiates and Acetaminophen, that's a professional decision.  There is no reason why Acetaminophen despite its dangers should not be available on a prescription basis, it may have unique applications.  But there is every reason why a drug with those characteristics, and to which there are perfectly good over the counter alternatives, should not be sold over the counter, let alone mixed in half the over the counter pain relief and cold remedies.</p><p>We should not be telling people to read the ingredients and not take two over the counter pain or cold remedies at the same time under danger of dying.  That is just a totally ridiculous, even criminal policy.  We should be making sure that any painkiller ingredient where taking two medicines with it in at once will kill you, is not freely available over the counter.</p><p>I left hospital recently with a huge stock of this crap - opiate pain relief mixed with Acetaminophen, with the recommended daily dose right at the limit of how much Acetaminophen you can safely take.  I got myself off the stuff as fast as possible at the price of feeling some pain.  It was a choice I should not have had to make.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is , the lethal dose is very close to the effective dose .
In addition , the effect of an overdose is not getting sick , its death .
It is not a drug that should be sold over the counter .
It is simply not safe.To compound that , it is being misused .
It is being mixed with opiates to prevent people overdosing for kicks on the opiates , by mixing the opiates with a substance which is lethal if too much is taken .
This is a misuse of Acetaminophen , it is not being compounded with the opiates for the therapeutic effect , but for social purposes to do with our attitudes to opiate abuse.Something similar happened in the UK with cough mixture .
Everyone , pharmacists and doctors , knows that the only effective cough suppressant is codeine .
However , in the mania about stopping abuse of codeine based cough syrups , it is sold either mixed with other positively harmful ingredients or not at all .
In Gee 's Linctus , for example , an optium extract is sold mixed with Quill , which is a truly noxious substance and one of the worst things to give to an invalid.We need to do a few things .
One is to focus more on getting the opiates to people who are sick , stop worrying about people who are sick and need them abusing them .
They will not .
This implies that if people need opiates , prescribe the things to them , not mixed with crap they do not need .
The second thing is we do have to have a rational drug policy which prevents the crime and disease associated with opiate abuse - but what we do not need is to screw up sick people 's access to drugs they need in the name of doing this .
Not that it does it , anyway.The third is we need to take Acetaminophen off the over the counter list altogether.If a doctor wishes to prescribe a mixture of opiates and Acetaminophen , that 's a professional decision .
There is no reason why Acetaminophen despite its dangers should not be available on a prescription basis , it may have unique applications .
But there is every reason why a drug with those characteristics , and to which there are perfectly good over the counter alternatives , should not be sold over the counter , let alone mixed in half the over the counter pain relief and cold remedies.We should not be telling people to read the ingredients and not take two over the counter pain or cold remedies at the same time under danger of dying .
That is just a totally ridiculous , even criminal policy .
We should be making sure that any painkiller ingredient where taking two medicines with it in at once will kill you , is not freely available over the counter.I left hospital recently with a huge stock of this crap - opiate pain relief mixed with Acetaminophen , with the recommended daily dose right at the limit of how much Acetaminophen you can safely take .
I got myself off the stuff as fast as possible at the price of feeling some pain .
It was a choice I should not have had to make .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is, the lethal dose is very close to the effective dose.
In addition, the effect of an overdose is not getting sick, its death.
It is not a drug that should be sold over the counter.
It is simply not safe.To compound that, it is being misused.
It is being mixed with opiates to prevent people overdosing for kicks on the opiates, by mixing the opiates with a substance which is lethal if too much is taken.
This is a misuse of Acetaminophen, it is not being compounded with the opiates for the therapeutic effect, but for social purposes to do with our attitudes to opiate abuse.Something similar happened in the UK with cough mixture.
Everyone, pharmacists and doctors, knows that the only effective cough suppressant is codeine.
However, in the mania about stopping abuse of codeine based cough syrups, it is sold either mixed with other positively harmful ingredients or not at all.
In Gee's Linctus, for example, an optium extract is sold mixed with Quill, which is a truly noxious substance and one of the worst things to give to an invalid.We need to do a few things.
One is to focus more on getting the opiates to people who are sick, stop worrying about people who are sick and need them abusing them.
They will not.
This implies that if people need opiates, prescribe the things to them, not mixed with crap they do not need.
The second thing is we do have to have a rational drug policy which prevents the crime and disease associated with opiate abuse - but what we do not need is to screw up sick people's access to drugs they need in the name of doing this.
Not that it does it, anyway.The third is we need to take Acetaminophen off the over the counter list altogether.If a doctor wishes to prescribe a mixture of opiates and Acetaminophen, that's a professional decision.
There is no reason why Acetaminophen despite its dangers should not be available on a prescription basis, it may have unique applications.
But there is every reason why a drug with those characteristics, and to which there are perfectly good over the counter alternatives, should not be sold over the counter, let alone mixed in half the over the counter pain relief and cold remedies.We should not be telling people to read the ingredients and not take two over the counter pain or cold remedies at the same time under danger of dying.
That is just a totally ridiculous, even criminal policy.
We should be making sure that any painkiller ingredient where taking two medicines with it in at once will kill you, is not freely available over the counter.I left hospital recently with a huge stock of this crap - opiate pain relief mixed with Acetaminophen, with the recommended daily dose right at the limit of how much Acetaminophen you can safely take.
I got myself off the stuff as fast as possible at the price of feeling some pain.
It was a choice I should not have had to make.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560689</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1246560180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Alcohol damages the liver as it's broken down and so does acetaminophen</i></p><p>Not necessarily.  Normal metabolism of either alcohol or acetaminophen isn't damaging, but it uses up reducing equivalents (such as those sulfhydryls on methionine and cystine).  It's only when those reducing equivalents are used up that acetaminophen is shunted into another metabolic pathway that it produces toxic metabolites.  In moderation drinking alcohol xor taking acetaminophen is safe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Alcohol damages the liver as it 's broken down and so does acetaminophenNot necessarily .
Normal metabolism of either alcohol or acetaminophen is n't damaging , but it uses up reducing equivalents ( such as those sulfhydryls on methionine and cystine ) .
It 's only when those reducing equivalents are used up that acetaminophen is shunted into another metabolic pathway that it produces toxic metabolites .
In moderation drinking alcohol xor taking acetaminophen is safe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Alcohol damages the liver as it's broken down and so does acetaminophenNot necessarily.
Normal metabolism of either alcohol or acetaminophen isn't damaging, but it uses up reducing equivalents (such as those sulfhydryls on methionine and cystine).
It's only when those reducing equivalents are used up that acetaminophen is shunted into another metabolic pathway that it produces toxic metabolites.
In moderation drinking alcohol xor taking acetaminophen is safe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561653</id>
	<title>michael jackson,heath ledger,anna nicole smith...</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1246563240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the issue is not education, as everyone getting a medical degree in anesthetics is impractical, nor is it competency and monitoring, as these celebrities are people who certainly could afford that, and still wound up dead. the issue is the fact you are dealing with addictive substances and intolerant thresholds to real damage and death</p><p>banning is superior to warning, as simple human nature is incompatible with responsible use of these substances. warning simply doesn't work</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the issue is not education , as everyone getting a medical degree in anesthetics is impractical , nor is it competency and monitoring , as these celebrities are people who certainly could afford that , and still wound up dead .
the issue is the fact you are dealing with addictive substances and intolerant thresholds to real damage and deathbanning is superior to warning , as simple human nature is incompatible with responsible use of these substances .
warning simply does n't work</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the issue is not education, as everyone getting a medical degree in anesthetics is impractical, nor is it competency and monitoring, as these celebrities are people who certainly could afford that, and still wound up dead.
the issue is the fact you are dealing with addictive substances and intolerant thresholds to real damage and deathbanning is superior to warning, as simple human nature is incompatible with responsible use of these substances.
warning simply doesn't work</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560071</id>
	<title>No it's not, read the FUCKING ARTICLE</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246558440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are considering banning them from being put in the same pill as other drugs. You will still be able to take them as separate pills.</p><p>This is actually seems to be a good thing.</p><p>"...prohibition is totally what people want from their government."<br>Some people do. I mean not what THEY enjoy, just what others seems to. F'n neo-cons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are considering banning them from being put in the same pill as other drugs .
You will still be able to take them as separate pills.This is actually seems to be a good thing .
" ...prohibition is totally what people want from their government .
" Some people do .
I mean not what THEY enjoy , just what others seems to .
F'n neo-cons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are considering banning them from being put in the same pill as other drugs.
You will still be able to take them as separate pills.This is actually seems to be a good thing.
"...prohibition is totally what people want from their government.
"Some people do.
I mean not what THEY enjoy, just what others seems to.
F'n neo-cons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560017</id>
	<title>Re:Doctors orders</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If people want to destroy their liver after being warned, then so be it. I think it is overreacting for the FDA to ban something that has been used successfully for decades when no new side-effects have been discovered. We knew for a long time that acetaminophen is dangerous in large doses, so are a lot of things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If people want to destroy their liver after being warned , then so be it .
I think it is overreacting for the FDA to ban something that has been used successfully for decades when no new side-effects have been discovered .
We knew for a long time that acetaminophen is dangerous in large doses , so are a lot of things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If people want to destroy their liver after being warned, then so be it.
I think it is overreacting for the FDA to ban something that has been used successfully for decades when no new side-effects have been discovered.
We knew for a long time that acetaminophen is dangerous in large doses, so are a lot of things.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560003</id>
	<title>Logic fail</title>
	<author>forgottenusername</author>
	<datestamp>1246558260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hydrocodone has 0 requirements to be "cut" with acetaminophen. Neither does oxycodone. It's just done as a way of limiting a patient's intake of the various painkillers that are mixed with acetaminophen. Look at the dosing for Vicodin for instance (I had neck surgery a while ago for a herniated neck disc &amp; did a bit of research);</p><p>- 5mg hydrocodone for 500mg acetaminophen<br>- 7.5 for 750<br>etc</p><p>Similar ratios with oxycodone.</p><p>So you really end up being limited by the amount of (unecessary) acetaminophen which has \_nothing\_ to do with the RX painkillers in question. The fact that liver damage etc is so prevalent with acetaminophen simply means they need to remove that component of it, and people consume that as as seperate pill.</p><p>Such silliness. Don't force people to take acetaminophen if they don't need it - damage from that is a very real problem with these painkillers. It makes no sense - "let's prevent people from overdosing on the painkiller by adding in something that will cause liver failure if they take too much of it!" "omgz grate idea I just happen to have a great deal worked out with this acetaminophen provider. We'll all get rich!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hydrocodone has 0 requirements to be " cut " with acetaminophen .
Neither does oxycodone .
It 's just done as a way of limiting a patient 's intake of the various painkillers that are mixed with acetaminophen .
Look at the dosing for Vicodin for instance ( I had neck surgery a while ago for a herniated neck disc &amp; did a bit of research ) ; - 5mg hydrocodone for 500mg acetaminophen- 7.5 for 750etcSimilar ratios with oxycodone.So you really end up being limited by the amount of ( unecessary ) acetaminophen which has \ _nothing \ _ to do with the RX painkillers in question .
The fact that liver damage etc is so prevalent with acetaminophen simply means they need to remove that component of it , and people consume that as as seperate pill.Such silliness .
Do n't force people to take acetaminophen if they do n't need it - damage from that is a very real problem with these painkillers .
It makes no sense - " let 's prevent people from overdosing on the painkiller by adding in something that will cause liver failure if they take too much of it !
" " omgz grate idea I just happen to have a great deal worked out with this acetaminophen provider .
We 'll all get rich !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hydrocodone has 0 requirements to be "cut" with acetaminophen.
Neither does oxycodone.
It's just done as a way of limiting a patient's intake of the various painkillers that are mixed with acetaminophen.
Look at the dosing for Vicodin for instance (I had neck surgery a while ago for a herniated neck disc &amp; did a bit of research);- 5mg hydrocodone for 500mg acetaminophen- 7.5 for 750etcSimilar ratios with oxycodone.So you really end up being limited by the amount of (unecessary) acetaminophen which has \_nothing\_ to do with the RX painkillers in question.
The fact that liver damage etc is so prevalent with acetaminophen simply means they need to remove that component of it, and people consume that as as seperate pill.Such silliness.
Don't force people to take acetaminophen if they don't need it - damage from that is a very real problem with these painkillers.
It makes no sense - "let's prevent people from overdosing on the painkiller by adding in something that will cause liver failure if they take too much of it!
" "omgz grate idea I just happen to have a great deal worked out with this acetaminophen provider.
We'll all get rich!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562487</id>
	<title>Add glucuronide to the acetaminophen tablets</title>
	<author>drunkenoafoffofb3ta</author>
	<datestamp>1246566060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The reason why more than 2g acetaminophen kills you is that your liver has finite supplies of glucuronide, that it attaches to the drug. When that runs out, the other metabolic pathways (I forget which) cause the formation of free radicals that kill you.

Glucuronide is cheap, and can be added to packs for little cost. Why hasn't it...?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason why more than 2g acetaminophen kills you is that your liver has finite supplies of glucuronide , that it attaches to the drug .
When that runs out , the other metabolic pathways ( I forget which ) cause the formation of free radicals that kill you .
Glucuronide is cheap , and can be added to packs for little cost .
Why has n't it... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason why more than 2g acetaminophen kills you is that your liver has finite supplies of glucuronide, that it attaches to the drug.
When that runs out, the other metabolic pathways (I forget which) cause the formation of free radicals that kill you.
Glucuronide is cheap, and can be added to packs for little cost.
Why hasn't it...?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560673</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1246560120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Which is really pretty damn fucked up, if you think about it.<br> <br> Adding an agent that can, and does, cause liver failure and unpleasant death, just to discourage recreational narcotics use, reflects a pretty disturbing set of priorities. Given that recreational narcotics use isn't wildly healthy to start with, it should be able to discourage rational actors without added acetaminophen(and, if it isn't actually that dangerous, why restrict it?).  Adding it basically amounts to displaying a willingness to kill drug users, along with people too sick or old to read a bunch of warning labels and cross-check for potential drug interactions. Srsly. WTF?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is really pretty damn fucked up , if you think about it .
Adding an agent that can , and does , cause liver failure and unpleasant death , just to discourage recreational narcotics use , reflects a pretty disturbing set of priorities .
Given that recreational narcotics use is n't wildly healthy to start with , it should be able to discourage rational actors without added acetaminophen ( and , if it is n't actually that dangerous , why restrict it ? ) .
Adding it basically amounts to displaying a willingness to kill drug users , along with people too sick or old to read a bunch of warning labels and cross-check for potential drug interactions .
Srsly. WTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is really pretty damn fucked up, if you think about it.
Adding an agent that can, and does, cause liver failure and unpleasant death, just to discourage recreational narcotics use, reflects a pretty disturbing set of priorities.
Given that recreational narcotics use isn't wildly healthy to start with, it should be able to discourage rational actors without added acetaminophen(and, if it isn't actually that dangerous, why restrict it?).
Adding it basically amounts to displaying a willingness to kill drug users, along with people too sick or old to read a bunch of warning labels and cross-check for potential drug interactions.
Srsly. WTF?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560707</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>fluffernutter</author>
	<datestamp>1246560240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have a system in place to ensure that people are educated on drugs before they take them.  Doctors, pharmacists, nurses.. It is their job to educate us on the medicine we are taking.  Also we should take more responsibilities for ourselves and check the ingredients before taking something.  If I have a cold and I took Tylenol, it says on the bottle of any combined cold medication what the medicinal ingredients are.  Everything is standardized and it's not hard to check.<br> <br>
By the logic in this thread I would suggest that is is alcohol we should take off the market.  After all, it damages your liver and all kinds of alcohol can be purchased WITHOUT the advice and guidance of a professional.  Furthermore, it is understood that you need to take care when taking medicine; otherwise why would you need a prescription to take much of it.  However, it is not the same for alcohol.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have a system in place to ensure that people are educated on drugs before they take them .
Doctors , pharmacists , nurses.. It is their job to educate us on the medicine we are taking .
Also we should take more responsibilities for ourselves and check the ingredients before taking something .
If I have a cold and I took Tylenol , it says on the bottle of any combined cold medication what the medicinal ingredients are .
Everything is standardized and it 's not hard to check .
By the logic in this thread I would suggest that is is alcohol we should take off the market .
After all , it damages your liver and all kinds of alcohol can be purchased WITHOUT the advice and guidance of a professional .
Furthermore , it is understood that you need to take care when taking medicine ; otherwise why would you need a prescription to take much of it .
However , it is not the same for alcohol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have a system in place to ensure that people are educated on drugs before they take them.
Doctors, pharmacists, nurses.. It is their job to educate us on the medicine we are taking.
Also we should take more responsibilities for ourselves and check the ingredients before taking something.
If I have a cold and I took Tylenol, it says on the bottle of any combined cold medication what the medicinal ingredients are.
Everything is standardized and it's not hard to check.
By the logic in this thread I would suggest that is is alcohol we should take off the market.
After all, it damages your liver and all kinds of alcohol can be purchased WITHOUT the advice and guidance of a professional.
Furthermore, it is understood that you need to take care when taking medicine; otherwise why would you need a prescription to take much of it.
However, it is not the same for alcohol.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560095</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>three sisters are nurses</p></div><p>That's so hot.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>three sisters are nursesThat 's so hot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>three sisters are nursesThat's so hot.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563639</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>sumdumass</author>
	<datestamp>1246526280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And if you read what he said, "Percocet" is another drug entirely. He just picked it because it is a also a mixed drug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And if you read what he said , " Percocet " is another drug entirely .
He just picked it because it is a also a mixed drug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if you read what he said, "Percocet" is another drug entirely.
He just picked it because it is a also a mixed drug.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561709</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>xyphor</author>
	<datestamp>1246563480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you sure it's the acetaminophen that's causing the stomach problems?  opiates are infamous for causing upset stomachs.  also, I always thought one of acetaminophen's strengths is it won't bother your stomach like aspirin and NSAIDs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure it 's the acetaminophen that 's causing the stomach problems ?
opiates are infamous for causing upset stomachs .
also , I always thought one of acetaminophen 's strengths is it wo n't bother your stomach like aspirin and NSAIDs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure it's the acetaminophen that's causing the stomach problems?
opiates are infamous for causing upset stomachs.
also, I always thought one of acetaminophen's strengths is it won't bother your stomach like aspirin and NSAIDs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28568607</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hrm, let's think for a moment: your back is in horrendous amounts of pain, leading to not being able to think clearly. At the same time, you happen to have a nasty cough and sore throat.</p><p>If you've been on a medication for a long time, the pharmacist usually doesn't bother to remind you each time you pick it up not to mix it with other things.</p><p>So, think of the scenario of being in rather lots of pain, taking your pain killer, going to pharmacy and buying an OTC cough syrup. Or, maybe a family member/ friend has taken pity on listening to your hacking cough, and gotten a cough syrup for you. You take it (remember, at this point, you've already taken your pain killer for your back, which can make thinking clearly rather difficult).</p><p>Yes, some cases might be of people not reading the instructions. But seriously -- inadvertent overloading of acetaminophen has been a lot more common, especially during cough and cold season, amongst the engineering students.</p><p>Short of tech getting more toward integrated Heads-Up-Displays for all of us to have constantly, that can keep tabs on meds, and analyze what we are about to take, huge warning labels on bottles are not very effective for anyone with chronic pain, or in acute pain. Pain distorts ability to think, narcotics distort ability to think, both work on memory and flow of time, and if you end up with a fever on top of all of that, you better hope you've got someone around to play den mother to you to keep you from overloading.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hrm , let 's think for a moment : your back is in horrendous amounts of pain , leading to not being able to think clearly .
At the same time , you happen to have a nasty cough and sore throat.If you 've been on a medication for a long time , the pharmacist usually does n't bother to remind you each time you pick it up not to mix it with other things.So , think of the scenario of being in rather lots of pain , taking your pain killer , going to pharmacy and buying an OTC cough syrup .
Or , maybe a family member/ friend has taken pity on listening to your hacking cough , and gotten a cough syrup for you .
You take it ( remember , at this point , you 've already taken your pain killer for your back , which can make thinking clearly rather difficult ) .Yes , some cases might be of people not reading the instructions .
But seriously -- inadvertent overloading of acetaminophen has been a lot more common , especially during cough and cold season , amongst the engineering students.Short of tech getting more toward integrated Heads-Up-Displays for all of us to have constantly , that can keep tabs on meds , and analyze what we are about to take , huge warning labels on bottles are not very effective for anyone with chronic pain , or in acute pain .
Pain distorts ability to think , narcotics distort ability to think , both work on memory and flow of time , and if you end up with a fever on top of all of that , you better hope you 've got someone around to play den mother to you to keep you from overloading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hrm, let's think for a moment: your back is in horrendous amounts of pain, leading to not being able to think clearly.
At the same time, you happen to have a nasty cough and sore throat.If you've been on a medication for a long time, the pharmacist usually doesn't bother to remind you each time you pick it up not to mix it with other things.So, think of the scenario of being in rather lots of pain, taking your pain killer, going to pharmacy and buying an OTC cough syrup.
Or, maybe a family member/ friend has taken pity on listening to your hacking cough, and gotten a cough syrup for you.
You take it (remember, at this point, you've already taken your pain killer for your back, which can make thinking clearly rather difficult).Yes, some cases might be of people not reading the instructions.
But seriously -- inadvertent overloading of acetaminophen has been a lot more common, especially during cough and cold season, amongst the engineering students.Short of tech getting more toward integrated Heads-Up-Displays for all of us to have constantly, that can keep tabs on meds, and analyze what we are about to take, huge warning labels on bottles are not very effective for anyone with chronic pain, or in acute pain.
Pain distorts ability to think, narcotics distort ability to think, both work on memory and flow of time, and if you end up with a fever on top of all of that, you better hope you've got someone around to play den mother to you to keep you from overloading.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562293</id>
	<title>OMG kill it!</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1246565520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The FDA has determined that Tylenol enhancing pain killers are dangerous enough to potentially be pulled from the market. Drugs including Vicodin, Hydrocodone, Lortab, Maxidone, Norco, Zydone, Tylenol with codeine, Percocet, Endocet, and Darvocet"</p><p>1. Vicodin is Hydrocodone</p><p>2. None of these painkillers require APAP to function, the anti-inflammatory effects of acetaminophen are auxiliary. The primary reason APAP is added to these drugs is to make them difficult to take in doses addicts can appreciate.</p><p>3. Acetaminophen is STILL effective at what it does and despite the misuse of it from ignorant users it is less harmful to the lining of the stomach than aspirin, does not increase the risk of people taking lithium or have sodium sensitivity like naproxen, and is not as definitely fatal in case of overdose as ibuprofin.</p><p>Acetaminophen is <i>not</i> perfect, but there's no perfect alternative and that is the very reason why we need to sustain as many options as possible for the diversity of medical needs people have.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The FDA has determined that Tylenol enhancing pain killers are dangerous enough to potentially be pulled from the market .
Drugs including Vicodin , Hydrocodone , Lortab , Maxidone , Norco , Zydone , Tylenol with codeine , Percocet , Endocet , and Darvocet " 1 .
Vicodin is Hydrocodone2 .
None of these painkillers require APAP to function , the anti-inflammatory effects of acetaminophen are auxiliary .
The primary reason APAP is added to these drugs is to make them difficult to take in doses addicts can appreciate.3 .
Acetaminophen is STILL effective at what it does and despite the misuse of it from ignorant users it is less harmful to the lining of the stomach than aspirin , does not increase the risk of people taking lithium or have sodium sensitivity like naproxen , and is not as definitely fatal in case of overdose as ibuprofin.Acetaminophen is not perfect , but there 's no perfect alternative and that is the very reason why we need to sustain as many options as possible for the diversity of medical needs people have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The FDA has determined that Tylenol enhancing pain killers are dangerous enough to potentially be pulled from the market.
Drugs including Vicodin, Hydrocodone, Lortab, Maxidone, Norco, Zydone, Tylenol with codeine, Percocet, Endocet, and Darvocet"1.
Vicodin is Hydrocodone2.
None of these painkillers require APAP to function, the anti-inflammatory effects of acetaminophen are auxiliary.
The primary reason APAP is added to these drugs is to make them difficult to take in doses addicts can appreciate.3.
Acetaminophen is STILL effective at what it does and despite the misuse of it from ignorant users it is less harmful to the lining of the stomach than aspirin, does not increase the risk of people taking lithium or have sodium sensitivity like naproxen, and is not as definitely fatal in case of overdose as ibuprofin.Acetaminophen is not perfect, but there's no perfect alternative and that is the very reason why we need to sustain as many options as possible for the diversity of medical needs people have.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560943</id>
	<title>Jaundiced junkies in the ER,</title>
	<author>pigwiggle</author>
	<datestamp>1246560960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>my wife sees it all the time - dead livers.  The concern isn't for people taking this on prescription.  They can get a different preparation if necessary.  Good riddance.  Better yet, get rid of the whole prescription regime.  Many doctors are sick of being the narcotic gate keeper.  On one side is the DEA looking to pull your license and prosecute, on the other a patient who may or may no be in pain.  It's the doctors responsibility to correctly identify drug seekers.  Chronic pain rarely kills.  What would you do if your livelihood could be taken away for prescribing narcotics to a patient who you believed to be in pain, but was a very clever junkie?  I have a feeling there are a lot of chronic pain sufferers that aren't having their pain managed correctly because their physician fears being accused of over prescribing narcotics.  More senseless shit brought to you by the War on Drugs.  As the late but not so great Bill Hicks said - it's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>my wife sees it all the time - dead livers .
The concern is n't for people taking this on prescription .
They can get a different preparation if necessary .
Good riddance .
Better yet , get rid of the whole prescription regime .
Many doctors are sick of being the narcotic gate keeper .
On one side is the DEA looking to pull your license and prosecute , on the other a patient who may or may no be in pain .
It 's the doctors responsibility to correctly identify drug seekers .
Chronic pain rarely kills .
What would you do if your livelihood could be taken away for prescribing narcotics to a patient who you believed to be in pain , but was a very clever junkie ?
I have a feeling there are a lot of chronic pain sufferers that are n't having their pain managed correctly because their physician fears being accused of over prescribing narcotics .
More senseless shit brought to you by the War on Drugs .
As the late but not so great Bill Hicks said - it 's not a war on drugs , it 's a war on personal freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my wife sees it all the time - dead livers.
The concern isn't for people taking this on prescription.
They can get a different preparation if necessary.
Good riddance.
Better yet, get rid of the whole prescription regime.
Many doctors are sick of being the narcotic gate keeper.
On one side is the DEA looking to pull your license and prosecute, on the other a patient who may or may no be in pain.
It's the doctors responsibility to correctly identify drug seekers.
Chronic pain rarely kills.
What would you do if your livelihood could be taken away for prescribing narcotics to a patient who you believed to be in pain, but was a very clever junkie?
I have a feeling there are a lot of chronic pain sufferers that aren't having their pain managed correctly because their physician fears being accused of over prescribing narcotics.
More senseless shit brought to you by the War on Drugs.
As the late but not so great Bill Hicks said - it's not a war on drugs, it's a war on personal freedom.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559841</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>muridae</author>
	<datestamp>1246557840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i> In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol, you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day.</i> <p>Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills, instead of banning an effective pain reliever? Anyone taking a vicodin and then two Tylenol is either in serious pain that the hydrocodone is not treating, or is unaware of what is in vicodin. A little talk by the pharmacist or doctor can fix both. Lowering the dose of APAP in prescription pills makes sense too, I mean 650mg in Darvocets? Take that 4 times a day and you are already over the daily dose. All of that just to prevent some junkies from getting high?</p><p>Not that I will argue too much, since I can't take Aspirin or ibuprofen, it will be much easier to get a script for pure codeine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol , you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day .
Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills , instead of banning an effective pain reliever ?
Anyone taking a vicodin and then two Tylenol is either in serious pain that the hydrocodone is not treating , or is unaware of what is in vicodin .
A little talk by the pharmacist or doctor can fix both .
Lowering the dose of APAP in prescription pills makes sense too , I mean 650mg in Darvocets ?
Take that 4 times a day and you are already over the daily dose .
All of that just to prevent some junkies from getting high ? Not that I will argue too much , since I ca n't take Aspirin or ibuprofen , it will be much easier to get a script for pure codeine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol, you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day.
Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills, instead of banning an effective pain reliever?
Anyone taking a vicodin and then two Tylenol is either in serious pain that the hydrocodone is not treating, or is unaware of what is in vicodin.
A little talk by the pharmacist or doctor can fix both.
Lowering the dose of APAP in prescription pills makes sense too, I mean 650mg in Darvocets?
Take that 4 times a day and you are already over the daily dose.
All of that just to prevent some junkies from getting high?Not that I will argue too much, since I can't take Aspirin or ibuprofen, it will be much easier to get a script for pure codeine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563401</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>justin12345</author>
	<datestamp>1246525560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, though its not clear from TFA, no one is talking about banning acetaminophen. They are considering banning its inclusion in a single pill in combination with other medications. This way instead of taking one pill containing 500 mg of acetaminophen and 5 mg of hydrocodone you would take one pill with 500 mg of acetaminophen and one pill with 5 mg of hydocodone. This will allow a doctor or patient to scale the amount of opiate vs the amount of acetaminophen per dose.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , though its not clear from TFA , no one is talking about banning acetaminophen .
They are considering banning its inclusion in a single pill in combination with other medications .
This way instead of taking one pill containing 500 mg of acetaminophen and 5 mg of hydrocodone you would take one pill with 500 mg of acetaminophen and one pill with 5 mg of hydocodone .
This will allow a doctor or patient to scale the amount of opiate vs the amount of acetaminophen per dose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, though its not clear from TFA, no one is talking about banning acetaminophen.
They are considering banning its inclusion in a single pill in combination with other medications.
This way instead of taking one pill containing 500 mg of acetaminophen and 5 mg of hydrocodone you would take one pill with 500 mg of acetaminophen and one pill with 5 mg of hydocodone.
This will allow a doctor or patient to scale the amount of opiate vs the amount of acetaminophen per dose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560305</id>
	<title>Over-dosing might not be good?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hold the presses - late braking news: over-dosing on a drug could cause harm?  Seriously - do we need to ban everything where taking too much could result in harm?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hold the presses - late braking news : over-dosing on a drug could cause harm ?
Seriously - do we need to ban everything where taking too much could result in harm ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hold the presses - late braking news: over-dosing on a drug could cause harm?
Seriously - do we need to ban everything where taking too much could result in harm?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560543</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Craig Davison</author>
	<datestamp>1246559820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Foam corners on desks has downsides - it would be ugly. Will separating codeine and acetaminophen in prescription drugs have any affect other than saving lives?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Foam corners on desks has downsides - it would be ugly .
Will separating codeine and acetaminophen in prescription drugs have any affect other than saving lives ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Foam corners on desks has downsides - it would be ugly.
Will separating codeine and acetaminophen in prescription drugs have any affect other than saving lives?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560385</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So name the studies. Alcohol damages the liver as it's broken down and so does acetaminophen, and it follows that taking both at the same time is even worse (not to mention possible interactions and metabolic interference caused by alcohol.</p><p>I fail to see how the sister was incorrect about the dangers of mixing the two drugs, though I do wonder how much the risk of liver disease is truly increased.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So name the studies .
Alcohol damages the liver as it 's broken down and so does acetaminophen , and it follows that taking both at the same time is even worse ( not to mention possible interactions and metabolic interference caused by alcohol.I fail to see how the sister was incorrect about the dangers of mixing the two drugs , though I do wonder how much the risk of liver disease is truly increased .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So name the studies.
Alcohol damages the liver as it's broken down and so does acetaminophen, and it follows that taking both at the same time is even worse (not to mention possible interactions and metabolic interference caused by alcohol.I fail to see how the sister was incorrect about the dangers of mixing the two drugs, though I do wonder how much the risk of liver disease is truly increased.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561241</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246561860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's so wrong with a good, 'ol firearm discharged to the temple?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's so wrong with a good , 'ol firearm discharged to the temple ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's so wrong with a good, 'ol firearm discharged to the temple?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560399</id>
	<title>Thanks a lot</title>
	<author>DoktorSeven</author>
	<datestamp>1246559340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone that is allergic and/or hypersensitive to everything except Tylenol, I guess I'm screwed if I need one of those types of drugs then, huh?</p><p>Wonder how long it will take them to ban Tylenol itself.</p><p>Thanks a lot for treating me like an idiot.</p><p>These FDA morons are going to get a letter from me.  Not that it'll do any good, since modern government doesn't listen to the people anymore.  Not really.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone that is allergic and/or hypersensitive to everything except Tylenol , I guess I 'm screwed if I need one of those types of drugs then , huh ? Wonder how long it will take them to ban Tylenol itself.Thanks a lot for treating me like an idiot.These FDA morons are going to get a letter from me .
Not that it 'll do any good , since modern government does n't listen to the people anymore .
Not really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone that is allergic and/or hypersensitive to everything except Tylenol, I guess I'm screwed if I need one of those types of drugs then, huh?Wonder how long it will take them to ban Tylenol itself.Thanks a lot for treating me like an idiot.These FDA morons are going to get a letter from me.
Not that it'll do any good, since modern government doesn't listen to the people anymore.
Not really.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28581425</id>
	<title>Re:Easy to OD on acetaminophen. Need better labels</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1246733340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They set you up PERFECTLY for an OD. Thyey actually suggested taking OTC acetaminophen and then doubling up with percocet when it inevitably fails to control the pain adequatly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They set you up PERFECTLY for an OD .
Thyey actually suggested taking OTC acetaminophen and then doubling up with percocet when it inevitably fails to control the pain adequatly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They set you up PERFECTLY for an OD.
Thyey actually suggested taking OTC acetaminophen and then doubling up with percocet when it inevitably fails to control the pain adequatly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562589</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1246566360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, they're talking about an outright ban on acetaminophen.  And yes, it means I must suffer with headaches and other pain because asprin or ibprofin do shit for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , they 're talking about an outright ban on acetaminophen .
And yes , it means I must suffer with headaches and other pain because asprin or ibprofin do shit for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, they're talking about an outright ban on acetaminophen.
And yes, it means I must suffer with headaches and other pain because asprin or ibprofin do shit for me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560817</id>
	<title>The Food, Drug, And Cosmetic Act Of 1938</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246560540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.enotes.com/1930-medicine-health-american-decades/food-drug-cosmetic-act</p><p>The link describes "The Food, Drug, And Cosmetic Act Of 1938" amending the FDA's scope to include medicines. An antibiotic drug was mixed with the solvent diethylene glycol. Similar to acetaminophen, diethylene glycol is poisonous to the kidneys and liver in higher doses. Many people died from consuming too much of the drug. So, this exactly the role FDA has in protecting consumers, including patients.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.enotes.com/1930-medicine-health-american-decades/food-drug-cosmetic-actThe link describes " The Food , Drug , And Cosmetic Act Of 1938 " amending the FDA 's scope to include medicines .
An antibiotic drug was mixed with the solvent diethylene glycol .
Similar to acetaminophen , diethylene glycol is poisonous to the kidneys and liver in higher doses .
Many people died from consuming too much of the drug .
So , this exactly the role FDA has in protecting consumers , including patients .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.enotes.com/1930-medicine-health-american-decades/food-drug-cosmetic-actThe link describes "The Food, Drug, And Cosmetic Act Of 1938" amending the FDA's scope to include medicines.
An antibiotic drug was mixed with the solvent diethylene glycol.
Similar to acetaminophen, diethylene glycol is poisonous to the kidneys and liver in higher doses.
Many people died from consuming too much of the drug.
So, this exactly the role FDA has in protecting consumers, including patients.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28568319</id>
	<title>Stupid Gov. ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246555500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Banning Acetaminophen Pain killers sounds like a dumb idea.  People who are on SSRI, etc. antidepressants, aren't supposed to take Aspirin or other NSAID's because of risk of increasing GI tract damage and thinning their blood to the point that it can't clot properly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Banning Acetaminophen Pain killers sounds like a dumb idea .
People who are on SSRI , etc .
antidepressants , are n't supposed to take Aspirin or other NSAID 's because of risk of increasing GI tract damage and thinning their blood to the point that it ca n't clot properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Banning Acetaminophen Pain killers sounds like a dumb idea.
People who are on SSRI, etc.
antidepressants, aren't supposed to take Aspirin or other NSAID's because of risk of increasing GI tract damage and thinning their blood to the point that it can't clot properly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28565893</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246536720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Brilliant! Drinking alcohol ruins stomach lining - evil! But inhaling pot is ok? I guess you forgot about lung cancer, emphysema, and other smoking related diseases. But keep inhaling that pot.</p><p>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/684328.stm<br>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6551327.stm</p><p>But ignore that. It's all liberal lies.</p><p>You may also figure out that if alcohol thins blood, it may be a good thing in low amounts. Which reminds me, where is may daily lager!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Brilliant !
Drinking alcohol ruins stomach lining - evil !
But inhaling pot is ok ?
I guess you forgot about lung cancer , emphysema , and other smoking related diseases .
But keep inhaling that pot.http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/684328.stmhttp : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6551327.stmBut ignore that .
It 's all liberal lies.You may also figure out that if alcohol thins blood , it may be a good thing in low amounts .
Which reminds me , where is may daily lager !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Brilliant!
Drinking alcohol ruins stomach lining - evil!
But inhaling pot is ok?
I guess you forgot about lung cancer, emphysema, and other smoking related diseases.
But keep inhaling that pot.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/684328.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6551327.stmBut ignore that.
It's all liberal lies.You may also figure out that if alcohol thins blood, it may be a good thing in low amounts.
Which reminds me, where is may daily lager!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561115</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>frozentier</author>
	<datestamp>1246561440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>'The people that are stupid and dont read the bottle that says" DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN XXX in a 24 hour period." It's clear as day on the fricking bottle.'</p></div><p>That's not the problem they are talking about.  The problem they are talking about is when you follow the directions on the "fricking bottle", but then you take 4 Vicoden throughout the day, NOT KNOWING that it contains Acetaminophen, too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>'The people that are stupid and dont read the bottle that says " DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN XXX in a 24 hour period .
" It 's clear as day on the fricking bottle .
'That 's not the problem they are talking about .
The problem they are talking about is when you follow the directions on the " fricking bottle " , but then you take 4 Vicoden throughout the day , NOT KNOWING that it contains Acetaminophen , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'The people that are stupid and dont read the bottle that says" DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN XXX in a 24 hour period.
" It's clear as day on the fricking bottle.
'That's not the problem they are talking about.
The problem they are talking about is when you follow the directions on the "fricking bottle", but then you take 4 Vicoden throughout the day, NOT KNOWING that it contains Acetaminophen, too.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559787</id>
	<title>If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1246557720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The problem is the key ingredient - acetaminophen - can easily damage or destroy a patient's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day.</p></div><p>Disclaimer: Not a doctor or med student but my three sisters are nurses/researchers.  <br> <br>

My older sister warned me when I started college that if I was going to drink I should avoid acetaminophen at all costs.  Luckily, I don't get headaches or have had a need for a painkiller in a very long time and I think it's been about six years since I've taken them.  If you are a heavy drinker, <b>avoid acetaminophen</b> as your liver's already dealing with the alcohol and crap in the American diet and doesn't appreciate it.  My sister told me that people who use acetaminophen during hangovers may be putting themselves at a much higher risk for liver diseases.  I'm a little concerned these have been out for this long when there's safer alternatives.  I'm sure the companies that stand to profit have tons of tricks up their sleeves yet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is the key ingredient - acetaminophen - can easily damage or destroy a patient 's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day.Disclaimer : Not a doctor or med student but my three sisters are nurses/researchers .
My older sister warned me when I started college that if I was going to drink I should avoid acetaminophen at all costs .
Luckily , I do n't get headaches or have had a need for a painkiller in a very long time and I think it 's been about six years since I 've taken them .
If you are a heavy drinker , avoid acetaminophen as your liver 's already dealing with the alcohol and crap in the American diet and does n't appreciate it .
My sister told me that people who use acetaminophen during hangovers may be putting themselves at a much higher risk for liver diseases .
I 'm a little concerned these have been out for this long when there 's safer alternatives .
I 'm sure the companies that stand to profit have tons of tricks up their sleeves yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is the key ingredient - acetaminophen - can easily damage or destroy a patient's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day.Disclaimer: Not a doctor or med student but my three sisters are nurses/researchers.
My older sister warned me when I started college that if I was going to drink I should avoid acetaminophen at all costs.
Luckily, I don't get headaches or have had a need for a painkiller in a very long time and I think it's been about six years since I've taken them.
If you are a heavy drinker, avoid acetaminophen as your liver's already dealing with the alcohol and crap in the American diet and doesn't appreciate it.
My sister told me that people who use acetaminophen during hangovers may be putting themselves at a much higher risk for liver diseases.
I'm a little concerned these have been out for this long when there's safer alternatives.
I'm sure the companies that stand to profit have tons of tricks up their sleeves yet.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563093</id>
	<title>Re:Citation Needed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246567800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oxy's do not contain acetaminophen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oxy 's do not contain acetaminophen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oxy's do not contain acetaminophen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28565339</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246533540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And you sort of indirectly hit on a good point. You might take one thing for a headache and another for a cough. It just so happens that both contain acetaminophen. Yes, people should be aware of these things but not all people are pharmacologists and  when suffering they are not exactly sane either.</p><p>The above was just a simple example. There are many other situations where a person would accidentally (and yes it is accidental) overdose on acetaminophen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And you sort of indirectly hit on a good point .
You might take one thing for a headache and another for a cough .
It just so happens that both contain acetaminophen .
Yes , people should be aware of these things but not all people are pharmacologists and when suffering they are not exactly sane either.The above was just a simple example .
There are many other situations where a person would accidentally ( and yes it is accidental ) overdose on acetaminophen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you sort of indirectly hit on a good point.
You might take one thing for a headache and another for a cough.
It just so happens that both contain acetaminophen.
Yes, people should be aware of these things but not all people are pharmacologists and  when suffering they are not exactly sane either.The above was just a simple example.
There are many other situations where a person would accidentally (and yes it is accidental) overdose on acetaminophen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28594287</id>
	<title>Duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246894200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems that the FDA has been 'uncomfortable' with the lack of more stringent warnings on acetaminophen labels since the late 70s...but never really did anything about it.  So there's a great argument to make about the efficacy of the oversight, but the bigger issue is the potential risks for consumers.</p><p>I'm fascinated by Tylenol's response, which has been to effectively say that there's no problem.  This is in stark contrast to how it responded to the product tampering issue in the 80s. I wonder if it'll do the brand more harm than good?</p><p>I've riffed on it a bit if you're interested in checking it out: http://tinyurl.com/re3bbs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems that the FDA has been 'uncomfortable ' with the lack of more stringent warnings on acetaminophen labels since the late 70s...but never really did anything about it .
So there 's a great argument to make about the efficacy of the oversight , but the bigger issue is the potential risks for consumers.I 'm fascinated by Tylenol 's response , which has been to effectively say that there 's no problem .
This is in stark contrast to how it responded to the product tampering issue in the 80s .
I wonder if it 'll do the brand more harm than good ? I 've riffed on it a bit if you 're interested in checking it out : http : //tinyurl.com/re3bbs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems that the FDA has been 'uncomfortable' with the lack of more stringent warnings on acetaminophen labels since the late 70s...but never really did anything about it.
So there's a great argument to make about the efficacy of the oversight, but the bigger issue is the potential risks for consumers.I'm fascinated by Tylenol's response, which has been to effectively say that there's no problem.
This is in stark contrast to how it responded to the product tampering issue in the 80s.
I wonder if it'll do the brand more harm than good?I've riffed on it a bit if you're interested in checking it out: http://tinyurl.com/re3bbs</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28564515</id>
	<title>Re:Vicodin?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246529880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So Dr house will be dead soon ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So Dr house will be dead soon ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Dr house will be dead soon ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28581289</id>
	<title>Re:Jaundiced junkies in the ER,</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1246732260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If a million people have to live wracked in pain to the point that they can't function at all to prevent one junkie from getting high, the DEA is happy to make that sacrifice. The more I think about it, the closer they look to the definition of evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If a million people have to live wracked in pain to the point that they ca n't function at all to prevent one junkie from getting high , the DEA is happy to make that sacrifice .
The more I think about it , the closer they look to the definition of evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a million people have to live wracked in pain to the point that they can't function at all to prevent one junkie from getting high, the DEA is happy to make that sacrifice.
The more I think about it, the closer they look to the definition of evil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28564289</id>
	<title>Re:Easy to OD on acetaminophen. Need better labels</title>
	<author>L0rdJedi</author>
	<datestamp>1246528860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh yeah, a big bold warning on a tiny fucking bottle.</p><p>The moment you forget when you took your last dose, you should immediately document the next dose.  Normally you can take a second does within the time frame as long as you don't keep doing it.  As a parent, I know that if we forget when the last dose was, we try to figure out an approximate time frame and then go from there.  After that, we both look at the clock and say the time back to each other, repeatedly, so we know when it was taken.  If we didn't have the other person there, it would get written down (much like we did with our first child, feedings and changings get written down so you can look at that when asked).</p><p>According to rxlist.com, the proper dosage is one or two pills every 6 hours, not every 4-6.  The pharmacist probably told you this when you picked them up.  Again, if you have trouble remember when your last dose was, write it down the first time that happens.  To quote Henry Jones "I wrote it down so I wouldn't have to remember it".  LIVE BY THAT!</p><p>Again with the alcohol thing.  Once you know this, you shouldn't have to read it.  I haven't needed to read that on a bottle in years because it's freaking known.  Sure, someone else who's younger needs to read it, but once you know it, you know it.  Do not drink alcohol with acetameniphen!  Am I the only one that doesn't take tylenol if I'm planning to go out drinking?!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Oh yeah , a big bold warning on a tiny fucking bottle.The moment you forget when you took your last dose , you should immediately document the next dose .
Normally you can take a second does within the time frame as long as you do n't keep doing it .
As a parent , I know that if we forget when the last dose was , we try to figure out an approximate time frame and then go from there .
After that , we both look at the clock and say the time back to each other , repeatedly , so we know when it was taken .
If we did n't have the other person there , it would get written down ( much like we did with our first child , feedings and changings get written down so you can look at that when asked ) .According to rxlist.com , the proper dosage is one or two pills every 6 hours , not every 4-6 .
The pharmacist probably told you this when you picked them up .
Again , if you have trouble remember when your last dose was , write it down the first time that happens .
To quote Henry Jones " I wrote it down so I would n't have to remember it " .
LIVE BY THAT ! Again with the alcohol thing .
Once you know this , you should n't have to read it .
I have n't needed to read that on a bottle in years because it 's freaking known .
Sure , someone else who 's younger needs to read it , but once you know it , you know it .
Do not drink alcohol with acetameniphen !
Am I the only one that does n't take tylenol if I 'm planning to go out drinking ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah, a big bold warning on a tiny fucking bottle.The moment you forget when you took your last dose, you should immediately document the next dose.
Normally you can take a second does within the time frame as long as you don't keep doing it.
As a parent, I know that if we forget when the last dose was, we try to figure out an approximate time frame and then go from there.
After that, we both look at the clock and say the time back to each other, repeatedly, so we know when it was taken.
If we didn't have the other person there, it would get written down (much like we did with our first child, feedings and changings get written down so you can look at that when asked).According to rxlist.com, the proper dosage is one or two pills every 6 hours, not every 4-6.
The pharmacist probably told you this when you picked them up.
Again, if you have trouble remember when your last dose was, write it down the first time that happens.
To quote Henry Jones "I wrote it down so I wouldn't have to remember it".
LIVE BY THAT!Again with the alcohol thing.
Once you know this, you shouldn't have to read it.
I haven't needed to read that on a bottle in years because it's freaking known.
Sure, someone else who's younger needs to read it, but once you know it, you know it.
Do not drink alcohol with acetameniphen!
Am I the only one that doesn't take tylenol if I'm planning to go out drinking?
!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559883</id>
	<title>Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is with the idiots that take 1000mg and then cant wait for it to work so they take another 2-4 in an hour or so.</p><p>The people that are stupid and dont read the bottle that says" DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN XXX in a 24 hour period."  It's clear as day on the fricking bottle.</p><p>So we ban something because the average person is too stupid to read the bottle?</p><p>Can we ban water as well?  if you drink 6 gallons in an hour it will kill you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is with the idiots that take 1000mg and then cant wait for it to work so they take another 2-4 in an hour or so.The people that are stupid and dont read the bottle that says " DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN XXX in a 24 hour period .
" It 's clear as day on the fricking bottle.So we ban something because the average person is too stupid to read the bottle ? Can we ban water as well ?
if you drink 6 gallons in an hour it will kill you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is with the idiots that take 1000mg and then cant wait for it to work so they take another 2-4 in an hour or so.The people that are stupid and dont read the bottle that says" DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN XXX in a 24 hour period.
"  It's clear as day on the fricking bottle.So we ban something because the average person is too stupid to read the bottle?Can we ban water as well?
if you drink 6 gallons in an hour it will kill you!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560759</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246560360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you'll find that it's the hydrocodone that causes nausea. It's a pretty common side-effect of all opiod analgesics. The paracetamol (acetaminophen) has very few side-effects associated with it, besides the liver damage in excessive doses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 'll find that it 's the hydrocodone that causes nausea .
It 's a pretty common side-effect of all opiod analgesics .
The paracetamol ( acetaminophen ) has very few side-effects associated with it , besides the liver damage in excessive doses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you'll find that it's the hydrocodone that causes nausea.
It's a pretty common side-effect of all opiod analgesics.
The paracetamol (acetaminophen) has very few side-effects associated with it, besides the liver damage in excessive doses.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560077</id>
	<title>news:  government outlaws natural selection...</title>
	<author>pointbeing</author>
	<datestamp>1246558440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>JMO, but...</p><p>I think people who want to use a hair dryer in the bathtub should be encouraged to.</p><p>If you're old enough to read and you want to eat those little silica gel packets marked "Do Not Eat" the government shouldn't stand in your way.</p><p>And last, I think "hold my beer and watch this" events should be televised.</p><p>In short, the gummint is pissing in my gene pool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>JMO , but...I think people who want to use a hair dryer in the bathtub should be encouraged to.If you 're old enough to read and you want to eat those little silica gel packets marked " Do Not Eat " the government should n't stand in your way.And last , I think " hold my beer and watch this " events should be televised.In short , the gummint is pissing in my gene pool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>JMO, but...I think people who want to use a hair dryer in the bathtub should be encouraged to.If you're old enough to read and you want to eat those little silica gel packets marked "Do Not Eat" the government shouldn't stand in your way.And last, I think "hold my beer and watch this" events should be televised.In short, the gummint is pissing in my gene pool.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28565921</id>
	<title>2000mg in a single day?  Yeesh.</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1246536840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>&gt; The problem is the key ingredient -- acetaminophen -- can easily damage<br>&gt; or destroy a patient's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day.<br><br>Yeah, but 2000 mg in one day?  Come on, who needs that much?  What are you trying to do, anesthetize yourself at home for DIY surgery?<br><br>Okay, so if you take over 2000mg of acetaminophen every day, you can hurt your liver.  Did you know, you can also hurt your kidneys by drinking more than twenty quarts of water a day?  It's all about dose.<br><br>I've only once had pain that half that amount wouldn't solve permanently, and that was an absessed tooth.  (What *did* take the pain away that time?  Amoxycillin.  Took one of those babies, and an hour later the pain started to subside.  Within four hours, the pain was totally gone.  You better believe I took those things as prescribed until the bottle was empty.  Never try to treat a symptom when you can go straight to the cause.)<br><br>For any *normal* amount of pain, 250mg of acetaminophen is enough, or maybe 500 tops.  And I know the package says wait four hours before taking more, but, honestly, you ordinarily *don't* have to take more, unless some new cause comes along and creates new pain for a new reason.  You take the Tylenol, headache goes away, problem solved, and you don't think about it again until weeks later when you get another headache.  Well, that's been my experience.<br><br>The other thing is, I cannot think of a single drug on the market that has fewer or less problematic side effects than acetaminophen.  The stuff takes away pain and, umm, oh, yeah, if you happen to have a fever, it might bring the fever down some.  That's it.  To my knowledge, taken in sane doses, it doesn't do anything else.  That's quite rare in a drug.  Certainly I don't know of any other pain-killer that's nearly so well behaved.<br><br>I mean, what else do you take for pain?<br><br>Asperin is a blood thinner, which is frequently a bad thing.<br><br>Ibuprofen has various effects, a couple of which are more pronounced than its pain-killing (though, granted, the anti-inflammatory effect is seldom a very big problem and frequently useful).  Oh, and it's hard on the GI system in an assortment of ways, which is always fun.<br><br>Then there are opium-derived things, probably the safest of which is darvocet (which, come to think of it, is generally sold with some Tylenol included).  Don't even get started on morphine and so forth; in terms of side-effects, compared to those things, Tylenol may as well be a sugar pill.<br><br>OBTW, you know why they can't keep Tylenol in the jungle?  Because, parrots-eat-'em-all.  Don't hate me; you know you needed a chuckle, or at least a groan.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The problem is the key ingredient -- acetaminophen -- can easily damage &gt; or destroy a patient 's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day.Yeah , but 2000 mg in one day ?
Come on , who needs that much ?
What are you trying to do , anesthetize yourself at home for DIY surgery ? Okay , so if you take over 2000mg of acetaminophen every day , you can hurt your liver .
Did you know , you can also hurt your kidneys by drinking more than twenty quarts of water a day ?
It 's all about dose.I 've only once had pain that half that amount would n't solve permanently , and that was an absessed tooth .
( What * did * take the pain away that time ?
Amoxycillin. Took one of those babies , and an hour later the pain started to subside .
Within four hours , the pain was totally gone .
You better believe I took those things as prescribed until the bottle was empty .
Never try to treat a symptom when you can go straight to the cause .
) For any * normal * amount of pain , 250mg of acetaminophen is enough , or maybe 500 tops .
And I know the package says wait four hours before taking more , but , honestly , you ordinarily * do n't * have to take more , unless some new cause comes along and creates new pain for a new reason .
You take the Tylenol , headache goes away , problem solved , and you do n't think about it again until weeks later when you get another headache .
Well , that 's been my experience.The other thing is , I can not think of a single drug on the market that has fewer or less problematic side effects than acetaminophen .
The stuff takes away pain and , umm , oh , yeah , if you happen to have a fever , it might bring the fever down some .
That 's it .
To my knowledge , taken in sane doses , it does n't do anything else .
That 's quite rare in a drug .
Certainly I do n't know of any other pain-killer that 's nearly so well behaved.I mean , what else do you take for pain ? Asperin is a blood thinner , which is frequently a bad thing.Ibuprofen has various effects , a couple of which are more pronounced than its pain-killing ( though , granted , the anti-inflammatory effect is seldom a very big problem and frequently useful ) .
Oh , and it 's hard on the GI system in an assortment of ways , which is always fun.Then there are opium-derived things , probably the safest of which is darvocet ( which , come to think of it , is generally sold with some Tylenol included ) .
Do n't even get started on morphine and so forth ; in terms of side-effects , compared to those things , Tylenol may as well be a sugar pill.OBTW , you know why they ca n't keep Tylenol in the jungle ?
Because , parrots-eat-'em-all .
Do n't hate me ; you know you needed a chuckle , or at least a groan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The problem is the key ingredient -- acetaminophen -- can easily damage&gt; or destroy a patient's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day.Yeah, but 2000 mg in one day?
Come on, who needs that much?
What are you trying to do, anesthetize yourself at home for DIY surgery?Okay, so if you take over 2000mg of acetaminophen every day, you can hurt your liver.
Did you know, you can also hurt your kidneys by drinking more than twenty quarts of water a day?
It's all about dose.I've only once had pain that half that amount wouldn't solve permanently, and that was an absessed tooth.
(What *did* take the pain away that time?
Amoxycillin.  Took one of those babies, and an hour later the pain started to subside.
Within four hours, the pain was totally gone.
You better believe I took those things as prescribed until the bottle was empty.
Never try to treat a symptom when you can go straight to the cause.
)For any *normal* amount of pain, 250mg of acetaminophen is enough, or maybe 500 tops.
And I know the package says wait four hours before taking more, but, honestly, you ordinarily *don't* have to take more, unless some new cause comes along and creates new pain for a new reason.
You take the Tylenol, headache goes away, problem solved, and you don't think about it again until weeks later when you get another headache.
Well, that's been my experience.The other thing is, I cannot think of a single drug on the market that has fewer or less problematic side effects than acetaminophen.
The stuff takes away pain and, umm, oh, yeah, if you happen to have a fever, it might bring the fever down some.
That's it.
To my knowledge, taken in sane doses, it doesn't do anything else.
That's quite rare in a drug.
Certainly I don't know of any other pain-killer that's nearly so well behaved.I mean, what else do you take for pain?Asperin is a blood thinner, which is frequently a bad thing.Ibuprofen has various effects, a couple of which are more pronounced than its pain-killing (though, granted, the anti-inflammatory effect is seldom a very big problem and frequently useful).
Oh, and it's hard on the GI system in an assortment of ways, which is always fun.Then there are opium-derived things, probably the safest of which is darvocet (which, come to think of it, is generally sold with some Tylenol included).
Don't even get started on morphine and so forth; in terms of side-effects, compared to those things, Tylenol may as well be a sugar pill.OBTW, you know why they can't keep Tylenol in the jungle?
Because, parrots-eat-'em-all.
Don't hate me; you know you needed a chuckle, or at least a groan.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561041</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1246561200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Out of curiosity, where exactly do you draw the line between "stupidity", which should be allowed to suffer, and unsafe products? All humans have finite cognitive capacity, finite reflexes, finite short and long term memory, finite rationality under emotional conditions, etc. Further, levels of those capabilities differ between individuals in a given population. Virtually any product could be made more or less safe by changing the design choices, and more or less safe by the degree to which the operator follows directions. Further, some sets of directions are more likely to be followed than others(either because they are onerous and people are lazy, or because they demand precision and people make mistakes). How often does a set of directions have to be not followed before we describe it as "unrealistic" rather than the people not following it as "stupid"?<br> <br>

In this case, assuming suitable labeling, "stupidity" implies possession of fairly low cognitive capacity(for label cross checking) and/or memory(for tracking pills taken over time). Sounds an awful lot like, for instance, the sicker, more arthritic old people who, as a population, probably suck down painkillers and anti-inflammatory drugs like nobody's business.<br> <br>

Obviously, product safety is a matter of degree, with the obviously absurd on one end, and the self-evidently necessary on the other. Navigating the middle, though, is far from obvious. Do you have a particular reason for assigning this case to the "obviously absurd" end of the pool, or is it just a gut reaction?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Out of curiosity , where exactly do you draw the line between " stupidity " , which should be allowed to suffer , and unsafe products ?
All humans have finite cognitive capacity , finite reflexes , finite short and long term memory , finite rationality under emotional conditions , etc .
Further , levels of those capabilities differ between individuals in a given population .
Virtually any product could be made more or less safe by changing the design choices , and more or less safe by the degree to which the operator follows directions .
Further , some sets of directions are more likely to be followed than others ( either because they are onerous and people are lazy , or because they demand precision and people make mistakes ) .
How often does a set of directions have to be not followed before we describe it as " unrealistic " rather than the people not following it as " stupid " ?
In this case , assuming suitable labeling , " stupidity " implies possession of fairly low cognitive capacity ( for label cross checking ) and/or memory ( for tracking pills taken over time ) .
Sounds an awful lot like , for instance , the sicker , more arthritic old people who , as a population , probably suck down painkillers and anti-inflammatory drugs like nobody 's business .
Obviously , product safety is a matter of degree , with the obviously absurd on one end , and the self-evidently necessary on the other .
Navigating the middle , though , is far from obvious .
Do you have a particular reason for assigning this case to the " obviously absurd " end of the pool , or is it just a gut reaction ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Out of curiosity, where exactly do you draw the line between "stupidity", which should be allowed to suffer, and unsafe products?
All humans have finite cognitive capacity, finite reflexes, finite short and long term memory, finite rationality under emotional conditions, etc.
Further, levels of those capabilities differ between individuals in a given population.
Virtually any product could be made more or less safe by changing the design choices, and more or less safe by the degree to which the operator follows directions.
Further, some sets of directions are more likely to be followed than others(either because they are onerous and people are lazy, or because they demand precision and people make mistakes).
How often does a set of directions have to be not followed before we describe it as "unrealistic" rather than the people not following it as "stupid"?
In this case, assuming suitable labeling, "stupidity" implies possession of fairly low cognitive capacity(for label cross checking) and/or memory(for tracking pills taken over time).
Sounds an awful lot like, for instance, the sicker, more arthritic old people who, as a population, probably suck down painkillers and anti-inflammatory drugs like nobody's business.
Obviously, product safety is a matter of degree, with the obviously absurd on one end, and the self-evidently necessary on the other.
Navigating the middle, though, is far from obvious.
Do you have a particular reason for assigning this case to the "obviously absurd" end of the pool, or is it just a gut reaction?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>AlHunt</author>
	<datestamp>1246561740000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills, instead of banning an effective pain reliever?</p><p>Hey, we <b>need</b> a Nanny State to take care of our needs, make our decisions and protect us from ourselves.</p><p>I say, it's off to the re-education camp in Guantanamo Bay with you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills , instead of banning an effective pain reliever ? Hey , we need a Nanny State to take care of our needs , make our decisions and protect us from ourselves.I say , it 's off to the re-education camp in Guantanamo Bay with you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Would it not make more sense to educate the people taking the pills, instead of banning an effective pain reliever?Hey, we need a Nanny State to take care of our needs, make our decisions and protect us from ourselves.I say, it's off to the re-education camp in Guantanamo Bay with you!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561385</id>
	<title>Re:I for one</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246562340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Elections have Consequences.</i></p><p>Yes, we found that out when President Bush and Vice President Cyborg* ran our country for eight years. Now we have a tremendous debt, two wars (one based on false information), a melted economy (thanks, deregulation), and a crumbling infrastructure. When you elect people who think government is always the problem into government, you're not likely to get good government, now are you?</p><p>They're not outlawing tylenol, what they're outlawing is hiding it inside other drugs. It's not a nanny state protecting you from yourself, it's your elected officials protecting you from the corporate Ferengi.</p><p>As to your nanny state, it's the Republicans who are most loathe to let me smoke a joint. As someone who has had arthritis for over forty years, that pisses me off greatly. Reefer helps, especially when mixed with beer and naproxin.</p><p>* That's not a slam, his pacemaker makes him a cyborg just like my eye implant makes me one. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Elections have Consequences.Yes , we found that out when President Bush and Vice President Cyborg * ran our country for eight years .
Now we have a tremendous debt , two wars ( one based on false information ) , a melted economy ( thanks , deregulation ) , and a crumbling infrastructure .
When you elect people who think government is always the problem into government , you 're not likely to get good government , now are you ? They 're not outlawing tylenol , what they 're outlawing is hiding it inside other drugs .
It 's not a nanny state protecting you from yourself , it 's your elected officials protecting you from the corporate Ferengi.As to your nanny state , it 's the Republicans who are most loathe to let me smoke a joint .
As someone who has had arthritis for over forty years , that pisses me off greatly .
Reefer helps , especially when mixed with beer and naproxin .
* That 's not a slam , his pacemaker makes him a cyborg just like my eye implant makes me one .
You will be assimilated .
Resistance is futile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Elections have Consequences.Yes, we found that out when President Bush and Vice President Cyborg* ran our country for eight years.
Now we have a tremendous debt, two wars (one based on false information), a melted economy (thanks, deregulation), and a crumbling infrastructure.
When you elect people who think government is always the problem into government, you're not likely to get good government, now are you?They're not outlawing tylenol, what they're outlawing is hiding it inside other drugs.
It's not a nanny state protecting you from yourself, it's your elected officials protecting you from the corporate Ferengi.As to your nanny state, it's the Republicans who are most loathe to let me smoke a joint.
As someone who has had arthritis for over forty years, that pisses me off greatly.
Reefer helps, especially when mixed with beer and naproxin.
* That's not a slam, his pacemaker makes him a cyborg just like my eye implant makes me one.
You will be assimilated.
Resistance is futile.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Well</title>
	<author>iamangry</author>
	<datestamp>1246563600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Wow, its almost like the government is trying to control doctors' options for providing health care.  Oh wait.
Honestly, this kind of cry baby "we have to take care of the people who might overdose if they don't read the label" bullshit is starting to get out of hand.  No where in the constitution does it say that the government has the purpose of "keeping people from doing stupid things."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , its almost like the government is trying to control doctors ' options for providing health care .
Oh wait .
Honestly , this kind of cry baby " we have to take care of the people who might overdose if they do n't read the label " bullshit is starting to get out of hand .
No where in the constitution does it say that the government has the purpose of " keeping people from doing stupid things .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, its almost like the government is trying to control doctors' options for providing health care.
Oh wait.
Honestly, this kind of cry baby "we have to take care of the people who might overdose if they don't read the label" bullshit is starting to get out of hand.
No where in the constitution does it say that the government has the purpose of "keeping people from doing stupid things.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559823</id>
	<title>Doctors orders</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Which is why my doctor tells me not to take any medication containing acetaminophen other than those prescribed, and the form I have to sign when I pick my prescriptions repeats that warning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is why my doctor tells me not to take any medication containing acetaminophen other than those prescribed , and the form I have to sign when I pick my prescriptions repeats that warning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is why my doctor tells me not to take any medication containing acetaminophen other than those prescribed, and the form I have to sign when I pick my prescriptions repeats that warning.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560679</id>
	<title>Re:What will kill pain then?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246560120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> So, then we have to go to a sub-standard method of pain relief?</i></p><p>Acetaminophen is completely ineffective for me, but the doctors have been pushing the stuff for years. As I have no fammily history of ulcers, aspirin (the best pain reliever I found until naproxin came around) is what I always ask for and never get.</p><p>Acetaminophen doesn't work as well as other analgesics, doesn't reduce swelling at all while other analgesics do, and can damage your liver. An acetaminophen based pain reliever IS a substandard method of pain relief. You'd do much better with a combination of the narcotic ingredient of your drug mixed with a better analgesic than acetaminophen.</p><p>There's no reason to put your liver at risk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , then we have to go to a sub-standard method of pain relief ? Acetaminophen is completely ineffective for me , but the doctors have been pushing the stuff for years .
As I have no fammily history of ulcers , aspirin ( the best pain reliever I found until naproxin came around ) is what I always ask for and never get.Acetaminophen does n't work as well as other analgesics , does n't reduce swelling at all while other analgesics do , and can damage your liver .
An acetaminophen based pain reliever IS a substandard method of pain relief .
You 'd do much better with a combination of the narcotic ingredient of your drug mixed with a better analgesic than acetaminophen.There 's no reason to put your liver at risk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> So, then we have to go to a sub-standard method of pain relief?Acetaminophen is completely ineffective for me, but the doctors have been pushing the stuff for years.
As I have no fammily history of ulcers, aspirin (the best pain reliever I found until naproxin came around) is what I always ask for and never get.Acetaminophen doesn't work as well as other analgesics, doesn't reduce swelling at all while other analgesics do, and can damage your liver.
An acetaminophen based pain reliever IS a substandard method of pain relief.
You'd do much better with a combination of the narcotic ingredient of your drug mixed with a better analgesic than acetaminophen.There's no reason to put your liver at risk.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28576713</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1246629840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For that matter, few realize just how nasty the consequences of an overdose can be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For that matter , few realize just how nasty the consequences of an overdose can be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For that matter, few realize just how nasty the consequences of an overdose can be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28596755</id>
	<title>What about Exedrin?</title>
	<author>VampDuc</author>
	<datestamp>1246905360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I take Excedrin tension headache.  One dose has 1000mg and they not to exceed 4 doses in a day.  That's 4g of acetaminophen, twice what they say not to take in a day!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I take Excedrin tension headache .
One dose has 1000mg and they not to exceed 4 doses in a day .
That 's 4g of acetaminophen , twice what they say not to take in a day !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take Excedrin tension headache.
One dose has 1000mg and they not to exceed 4 doses in a day.
That's 4g of acetaminophen, twice what they say not to take in a day!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560061</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The bottle doesn't say "do not take more than XXX in 24 hour period - or YOU WILL DIE", yet that is exactly what can happen from taking just 10 pills over 4 days:<br>http://www.forbes.com/forbes/1998/0112/6101042a.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The bottle does n't say " do not take more than XXX in 24 hour period - or YOU WILL DIE " , yet that is exactly what can happen from taking just 10 pills over 4 days : http : //www.forbes.com/forbes/1998/0112/6101042a.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bottle doesn't say "do not take more than XXX in 24 hour period - or YOU WILL DIE", yet that is exactly what can happen from taking just 10 pills over 4 days:http://www.forbes.com/forbes/1998/0112/6101042a.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560435</id>
	<title>cigarettes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yet we still allow cigarettes to be legal even though we know for sure that they cause lung cancer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet we still allow cigarettes to be legal even though we know for sure that they cause lung cancer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet we still allow cigarettes to be legal even though we know for sure that they cause lung cancer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561089</id>
	<title>Re:Thank you!</title>
	<author>WheelDweller</author>
	<datestamp>1246561320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'd be surprised how many college kids don't know this, drink while they have a headache (or worse yet, a hangover AND drinking) and they die from liver failure.</p><p>Last year when I came across the story the number of deaths from "Non-Steroidal NSAIDS" (including Tylenol) was 8,000 in a year.  (!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd be surprised how many college kids do n't know this , drink while they have a headache ( or worse yet , a hangover AND drinking ) and they die from liver failure.Last year when I came across the story the number of deaths from " Non-Steroidal NSAIDS " ( including Tylenol ) was 8,000 in a year .
( ! )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd be surprised how many college kids don't know this, drink while they have a headache (or worse yet, a hangover AND drinking) and they die from liver failure.Last year when I came across the story the number of deaths from "Non-Steroidal NSAIDS" (including Tylenol) was 8,000 in a year.
(!)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560421</id>
	<title>TWO grams?!</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1246559400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who could take two grams of acetaminophen?!?  My god, that is a lot of stuff!  While we're at it, let's ban water, because if you drink like 1/4 gallon or more at one time, you could die!</p><p>I think nearly any any drug is dangerous when taken in such large amounts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who could take two grams of acetaminophen ? ! ?
My god , that is a lot of stuff !
While we 're at it , let 's ban water , because if you drink like 1/4 gallon or more at one time , you could die ! I think nearly any any drug is dangerous when taken in such large amounts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who could take two grams of acetaminophen?!?
My god, that is a lot of stuff!
While we're at it, let's ban water, because if you drink like 1/4 gallon or more at one time, you could die!I think nearly any any drug is dangerous when taken in such large amounts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561075</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246561260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're already paying for these liver transplants when you buy your insurance. A former girlfriend who I broke up with because she'd finish her first beer before my coffee was done perking finally quit drinking, because you have to be sober for a full year before you can get a transplant.</p><p>She's on SSI disability, meaning the hospital will eat most of the costs, and they'll pass that along to your insurance company in the form of higher prices, who will in turn pass it along to you in the form of higher premiums and copays.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're already paying for these liver transplants when you buy your insurance .
A former girlfriend who I broke up with because she 'd finish her first beer before my coffee was done perking finally quit drinking , because you have to be sober for a full year before you can get a transplant.She 's on SSI disability , meaning the hospital will eat most of the costs , and they 'll pass that along to your insurance company in the form of higher prices , who will in turn pass it along to you in the form of higher premiums and copays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're already paying for these liver transplants when you buy your insurance.
A former girlfriend who I broke up with because she'd finish her first beer before my coffee was done perking finally quit drinking, because you have to be sober for a full year before you can get a transplant.She's on SSI disability, meaning the hospital will eat most of the costs, and they'll pass that along to your insurance company in the form of higher prices, who will in turn pass it along to you in the form of higher premiums and copays.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561291</id>
	<title>Re:Childproof caps</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1246562040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Childproof caps piss me off too. *I* have to push down when I turn them</p></div><p>Tell your pharmacist to axe the childproof crap.. they still have the normal pop-tops but you have to ask and look like you don't care about the children, but honestly.. fuck the children... let them die horrible deaths that will keep them off my lawn.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Childproof caps piss me off too .
* I * have to push down when I turn themTell your pharmacist to axe the childproof crap.. they still have the normal pop-tops but you have to ask and look like you do n't care about the children , but honestly.. fuck the children... let them die horrible deaths that will keep them off my lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Childproof caps piss me off too.
*I* have to push down when I turn themTell your pharmacist to axe the childproof crap.. they still have the normal pop-tops but you have to ask and look like you don't care about the children, but honestly.. fuck the children... let them die horrible deaths that will keep them off my lawn.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559995</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>jlechem</author>
	<datestamp>1246558260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>'The people that are stupid and dont read the bottle that says" DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN XXX in a 24 hour period." It's clear as day on the fricking bottle.'
<br> <br>
Not really look at a tylenol bottle.  Yeah it says no more then 6 or 12 in a day but it's incredibly tiny and hard to read.  And nowhere does it talk about using it with other drugs of that type other then a generic consult your doctor blah blah blah.  And who talks about tylenol with your doctor?  I means it's been on the market a while and is 100\% safe right?  I agree there is a lot of stupid shit out there but I feel this case isn't one of them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>'The people that are stupid and dont read the bottle that says " DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN XXX in a 24 hour period .
" It 's clear as day on the fricking bottle .
' Not really look at a tylenol bottle .
Yeah it says no more then 6 or 12 in a day but it 's incredibly tiny and hard to read .
And nowhere does it talk about using it with other drugs of that type other then a generic consult your doctor blah blah blah .
And who talks about tylenol with your doctor ?
I means it 's been on the market a while and is 100 \ % safe right ?
I agree there is a lot of stupid shit out there but I feel this case is n't one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'The people that are stupid and dont read the bottle that says" DO NOT TAKE MORE THAN XXX in a 24 hour period.
" It's clear as day on the fricking bottle.
'
 
Not really look at a tylenol bottle.
Yeah it says no more then 6 or 12 in a day but it's incredibly tiny and hard to read.
And nowhere does it talk about using it with other drugs of that type other then a generic consult your doctor blah blah blah.
And who talks about tylenol with your doctor?
I means it's been on the market a while and is 100\% safe right?
I agree there is a lot of stupid shit out there but I feel this case isn't one of them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562941</id>
	<title>Re:So wait...</title>
	<author>Tweenk</author>
	<datestamp>1246567320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>same as they "denature" ethyl alcohol that you can buy at the hardware store by poisoning it with methyl alcohol</p></div><p>Nowadays you're more likely to come across alcohol denatured with denatonium benzoate (Bitrex), at least in Europe. It is so bitter it makes you instantly want to puke, but it's not toxic. The bums around here obviously drink it, because their mouths are all violet from the coloring.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>same as they " denature " ethyl alcohol that you can buy at the hardware store by poisoning it with methyl alcoholNowadays you 're more likely to come across alcohol denatured with denatonium benzoate ( Bitrex ) , at least in Europe .
It is so bitter it makes you instantly want to puke , but it 's not toxic .
The bums around here obviously drink it , because their mouths are all violet from the coloring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>same as they "denature" ethyl alcohol that you can buy at the hardware store by poisoning it with methyl alcoholNowadays you're more likely to come across alcohol denatured with denatonium benzoate (Bitrex), at least in Europe.
It is so bitter it makes you instantly want to puke, but it's not toxic.
The bums around here obviously drink it, because their mouths are all violet from the coloring.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560933</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246560900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people have no idea what the maximum safe dosage of acetaminophen is.  And even if they do, the point is that it's easy to take your vicodin prescription and then take some Nyquil without realizing that Nyquil has acetaminophen as well.  The average person is not a pharmacist, and really shouldn't be expected to be one.</p><p>When I had surgery on my hand my doctor's instructions for frequency of use on the vicoden would have put me over the 4000mg limit.  The pharmacist told me I needed to make sure I only took 5 a day instead of 6 (or something like that, can't quite remember what the frequency was anymore).</p><p>Now imagine my doctor had written the prescription correctly for 5 doses a day.  There's no reason for most people to know the maximum daily dose value.  It would have been quite easy to take the maximum dosage just on pain pills, then take a few doses per day of some OTC med (maybe something for allergies) that lists acetaminophen in the small print and exceed the max dose by quite a bit.  Nyquil Sinus for example has 650mg per dose and allows up to 6 per day.  Accidentally exceeding 4000mg would be easy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people have no idea what the maximum safe dosage of acetaminophen is .
And even if they do , the point is that it 's easy to take your vicodin prescription and then take some Nyquil without realizing that Nyquil has acetaminophen as well .
The average person is not a pharmacist , and really should n't be expected to be one.When I had surgery on my hand my doctor 's instructions for frequency of use on the vicoden would have put me over the 4000mg limit .
The pharmacist told me I needed to make sure I only took 5 a day instead of 6 ( or something like that , ca n't quite remember what the frequency was anymore ) .Now imagine my doctor had written the prescription correctly for 5 doses a day .
There 's no reason for most people to know the maximum daily dose value .
It would have been quite easy to take the maximum dosage just on pain pills , then take a few doses per day of some OTC med ( maybe something for allergies ) that lists acetaminophen in the small print and exceed the max dose by quite a bit .
Nyquil Sinus for example has 650mg per dose and allows up to 6 per day .
Accidentally exceeding 4000mg would be easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people have no idea what the maximum safe dosage of acetaminophen is.
And even if they do, the point is that it's easy to take your vicodin prescription and then take some Nyquil without realizing that Nyquil has acetaminophen as well.
The average person is not a pharmacist, and really shouldn't be expected to be one.When I had surgery on my hand my doctor's instructions for frequency of use on the vicoden would have put me over the 4000mg limit.
The pharmacist told me I needed to make sure I only took 5 a day instead of 6 (or something like that, can't quite remember what the frequency was anymore).Now imagine my doctor had written the prescription correctly for 5 doses a day.
There's no reason for most people to know the maximum daily dose value.
It would have been quite easy to take the maximum dosage just on pain pills, then take a few doses per day of some OTC med (maybe something for allergies) that lists acetaminophen in the small print and exceed the max dose by quite a bit.
Nyquil Sinus for example has 650mg per dose and allows up to 6 per day.
Accidentally exceeding 4000mg would be easy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563775</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>generic.individual</author>
	<datestamp>1246526820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you somehow don't die you are horribly disfigured.

If you go the smack route and don't die, you just have a pleasurable experience, assuming you use a clean needle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you somehow do n't die you are horribly disfigured .
If you go the smack route and do n't die , you just have a pleasurable experience , assuming you use a clean needle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you somehow don't die you are horribly disfigured.
If you go the smack route and don't die, you just have a pleasurable experience, assuming you use a clean needle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560775</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246560420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right. The proper course of action is proper labeling, plus an public education program to let people know what to do and what NOT to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
The proper course of action is proper labeling , plus an public education program to let people know what to do and what NOT to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
The proper course of action is proper labeling, plus an public education program to let people know what to do and what NOT to do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560171</id>
	<title>But for what durration?</title>
	<author>jbarr</author>
	<datestamp>1246558680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"The problem is the key ingredient -- acetaminophen -- can easily damage or destroy a patient's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day. In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol, you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day.'</p></div></blockquote><p>Maybe taking 2000 mg in a day <i>long-term</i> could be dangerous (you could probably extend that theory to <i>many</i> drugs both prescription and non-prescription) but what about for the occasional headache or body ache? You know, what most people use these drugs for? Yet another example of the government legislating something away because a small percentage of people will or could abuse it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The problem is the key ingredient -- acetaminophen -- can easily damage or destroy a patient 's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day .
In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol , you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day .
'Maybe taking 2000 mg in a day long-term could be dangerous ( you could probably extend that theory to many drugs both prescription and non-prescription ) but what about for the occasional headache or body ache ?
You know , what most people use these drugs for ?
Yet another example of the government legislating something away because a small percentage of people will or could abuse it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The problem is the key ingredient -- acetaminophen -- can easily damage or destroy a patient's liver if more than 2000 mg are used per day.
In many cases that means if you take a pain killer and then take two extra strength Tylenol, you may have gone over the maximum dosage per day.
'Maybe taking 2000 mg in a day long-term could be dangerous (you could probably extend that theory to many drugs both prescription and non-prescription) but what about for the occasional headache or body ache?
You know, what most people use these drugs for?
Yet another example of the government legislating something away because a small percentage of people will or could abuse it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561481</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246562700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>My problem is the raw nausea induced</i></p><p>Marijuana will cure that. Pot is so effective against nausea that it even works with chemotherapy. Ther eis no more effective drug for nausea yet invented or discovered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My problem is the raw nausea inducedMarijuana will cure that .
Pot is so effective against nausea that it even works with chemotherapy .
Ther eis no more effective drug for nausea yet invented or discovered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My problem is the raw nausea inducedMarijuana will cure that.
Pot is so effective against nausea that it even works with chemotherapy.
Ther eis no more effective drug for nausea yet invented or discovered.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560613</id>
	<title>Re:House, MD</title>
	<author>moderatorrater</author>
	<datestamp>1246559940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From my kidney stone experience I can tell you that they have different ratios of narcotics to acetaminophen for people who need higher doses of the narcotic. <br> <br>

IMHO, this is a terrible thing. Acetoaminophen is still the best painkiller for most of my problems (migraines, etc), although ibuprofen does a decent job. If they were to pull it behind the pharmacy counter so that you had to at least talk to a pharmacist and realize that the medication contained acetaminophen, then they would increase awareness and help people avoid taking too much while also giving people the flexibility of using it on their own. I'll be quite irate if I lose all access to tylenol.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From my kidney stone experience I can tell you that they have different ratios of narcotics to acetaminophen for people who need higher doses of the narcotic .
IMHO , this is a terrible thing .
Acetoaminophen is still the best painkiller for most of my problems ( migraines , etc ) , although ibuprofen does a decent job .
If they were to pull it behind the pharmacy counter so that you had to at least talk to a pharmacist and realize that the medication contained acetaminophen , then they would increase awareness and help people avoid taking too much while also giving people the flexibility of using it on their own .
I 'll be quite irate if I lose all access to tylenol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From my kidney stone experience I can tell you that they have different ratios of narcotics to acetaminophen for people who need higher doses of the narcotic.
IMHO, this is a terrible thing.
Acetoaminophen is still the best painkiller for most of my problems (migraines, etc), although ibuprofen does a decent job.
If they were to pull it behind the pharmacy counter so that you had to at least talk to a pharmacist and realize that the medication contained acetaminophen, then they would increase awareness and help people avoid taking too much while also giving people the flexibility of using it on their own.
I'll be quite irate if I lose all access to tylenol.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563781</id>
	<title>The utility of banning</title>
	<author>HuguesT</author>
	<datestamp>1246526820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is hard for most slashdotters to understand why banning these meds may be good. It boils down to this:</p><p>0- A lot of slashdotters have a libertarian streak and hate government making decisions for them, however:<br>1- A lot of people are a lot less educated than slashdotters in general.<br>2- Many people don't know that taking too much pain meds can kill your liver<br>3- In a civilized society one has to treat even the uneducated or the stupid.<br>4- Liver transplant or death is *extremely* expensive to society.</p><p>So it comes down to optimising the cost function. In this case don't allow painkiller cocktails. It doesn't matter really as the individual components remain available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is hard for most slashdotters to understand why banning these meds may be good .
It boils down to this : 0- A lot of slashdotters have a libertarian streak and hate government making decisions for them , however : 1- A lot of people are a lot less educated than slashdotters in general.2- Many people do n't know that taking too much pain meds can kill your liver3- In a civilized society one has to treat even the uneducated or the stupid.4- Liver transplant or death is * extremely * expensive to society.So it comes down to optimising the cost function .
In this case do n't allow painkiller cocktails .
It does n't matter really as the individual components remain available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is hard for most slashdotters to understand why banning these meds may be good.
It boils down to this:0- A lot of slashdotters have a libertarian streak and hate government making decisions for them, however:1- A lot of people are a lot less educated than slashdotters in general.2- Many people don't know that taking too much pain meds can kill your liver3- In a civilized society one has to treat even the uneducated or the stupid.4- Liver transplant or death is *extremely* expensive to society.So it comes down to optimising the cost function.
In this case don't allow painkiller cocktails.
It doesn't matter really as the individual components remain available.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563515</id>
	<title>Yay for idiots.</title>
	<author>seekret</author>
	<datestamp>1246525920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So they want to ban an entire chain of medicine because some people are irresponsible and cause harm to themselves? That makes sense, this is America after all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So they want to ban an entire chain of medicine because some people are irresponsible and cause harm to themselves ?
That makes sense , this is America after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they want to ban an entire chain of medicine because some people are irresponsible and cause harm to themselves?
That makes sense, this is America after all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559943</id>
	<title>This is not a ban</title>
	<author>wiredlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1246558080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is being proposed is not a wholesale ban on acetaminophen but a ban on *some* drug combinations that include it and a reduction in the maximum OTC dosage. The drug will still be available and you'll still be able to mix drugs yourself to get the old effect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is being proposed is not a wholesale ban on acetaminophen but a ban on * some * drug combinations that include it and a reduction in the maximum OTC dosage .
The drug will still be available and you 'll still be able to mix drugs yourself to get the old effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is being proposed is not a wholesale ban on acetaminophen but a ban on *some* drug combinations that include it and a reduction in the maximum OTC dosage.
The drug will still be available and you'll still be able to mix drugs yourself to get the old effect.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560579</id>
	<title>how about Glypizide?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a Type II diabetic.  One of the medications I take for it is glypizide, which increases my insulin production, lowering my blood glucose level.  If I took too many, my bg would get so low I'd pass out and possibly die.  Does that mean it should be banned?  No, of course not; it means that I'm given instructions on how much to take and when, and I <b>follow those instructions.</b>  Give patients using these drugs instructions that include not taking other, non-prescription pain killers with them (or listing which ones are safe, and in what dose) and trust them to do as they're told.  Most people will follow that type of doctor's orders, especially if it's explained why and it's not just an arbitrary order.  And don't point out that some people aren't smart enough to understand, either, because it's the people who are smart enough to "know better" that are the problem.  The "left side of the bell curve" is more likely to do what they're told because they understand that they <b>don't</b> know better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a Type II diabetic .
One of the medications I take for it is glypizide , which increases my insulin production , lowering my blood glucose level .
If I took too many , my bg would get so low I 'd pass out and possibly die .
Does that mean it should be banned ?
No , of course not ; it means that I 'm given instructions on how much to take and when , and I follow those instructions .
Give patients using these drugs instructions that include not taking other , non-prescription pain killers with them ( or listing which ones are safe , and in what dose ) and trust them to do as they 're told .
Most people will follow that type of doctor 's orders , especially if it 's explained why and it 's not just an arbitrary order .
And do n't point out that some people are n't smart enough to understand , either , because it 's the people who are smart enough to " know better " that are the problem .
The " left side of the bell curve " is more likely to do what they 're told because they understand that they do n't know better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a Type II diabetic.
One of the medications I take for it is glypizide, which increases my insulin production, lowering my blood glucose level.
If I took too many, my bg would get so low I'd pass out and possibly die.
Does that mean it should be banned?
No, of course not; it means that I'm given instructions on how much to take and when, and I follow those instructions.
Give patients using these drugs instructions that include not taking other, non-prescription pain killers with them (or listing which ones are safe, and in what dose) and trust them to do as they're told.
Most people will follow that type of doctor's orders, especially if it's explained why and it's not just an arbitrary order.
And don't point out that some people aren't smart enough to understand, either, because it's the people who are smart enough to "know better" that are the problem.
The "left side of the bell curve" is more likely to do what they're told because they understand that they don't know better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559819</id>
	<title>The Linux Party</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, there was a plan: how to bring together the two different development groups at work? My boss said there was a sort of tension he thought could be eased by some social interaction. Not easy. Both the different development groups despised one another, each thinking its "art" was more important and eloquent than the others'.</p><p>First there was the XML group. They worked on our website, documentation and formatting, and simple configuration apps and some front-ends to Java stuff. They also did our web sites. They used CSS, HTML, XSL, JavaScript, and a bit of Java. They typically dressed casually, drank coffee and tea, and liked to work straight from the spec: no "Learn XSL in 30 Days" books were to be found in their cubicle farm.</p><p>Then we had the Linux developers. They worked "special hours," coming in at one and staying late, supposedly, until seven or eight at night. They enjoyed Bawls and had a penchant for ThinkGeek t-shirts and cracking jokes about Win32 API calls and the dreaded Blue Screen of Death. They all had beards or mullets or long, unwashed hair. Some had penguin or C code tattoos. Their cubicle farm was known for the bleating laughter that exploded when one of them found a silly bug on someone else's code, and for the rotten, fetid stench that could only be compared to three-day-old shit reeking from inside a rotting corpse's abdominal cavity.</p><p>So, in order to get the guys to get to know each other, my boss had asked me to organize a during-hours, alcohol-friendly party. My ideas ranged from a keg or two to live entertainment, AKA strippers. But as to what to get them to actually talk to each other in a human manner I had no clue. So I let it go til the last minute and decided to let my inherent creativity mull it over in the back of my head.</p><p>When the day of the party had arrived, the catering company brought in a few trays of lunch meat, chicken, pizza, and side dishes, I had picked up the four kegs from the local brewery, and the big-screen TV and DVD were set up ready to blast the Matrix into the eyes and ears of my co-workers. The eagerness in the the air was encouraging and I thought that loosening up and smiles going on even now were a good sign. I even saw some of the guys who'd known each other previously begin to bunch up, bringing along the co-workers they knew from everyday work.</p><p>The first thing everyone did was hit the food line, loading up their plates and grabbing a cup for beer to wash it down with. A few approached me and thanked me for the food; it seems appeasing the belly really did tame the beast. After a few minutes of silence and eating and a few second and third courses, they guys were ready to sit down and be entertained. After asking if anyone needed anything else before the movie started, the lights went out and the Matrix began playing. I heard a few enthusiastic comments and jokes being told.</p><p>About half-way through the movie I noticed a lot of the Linux guys getting up and presumably going to the restroom. No suprise, as the second keg was history by now and the third was probably half-way gone. I also noticed some of the guys bumping into things and stumbling. Alcohol's the social lubricant, eh? Well, not long after, my bladder beckoned and I answered. As I made my way to the restroom, I had a self-satisfied smile on my face: my little plan was working, my boss would be happy, and it might even a Christmas bonus or a promotion (even if in title only).</p><p>Well, as soon as I pushed the restroom door open, I knew something was wrong. The smell of vomit was pretty strong and I hoped that it'd only been the work of one guy. But the smell was so pungent! After standing at the urinal, waiting for the golden flow to commence, I stood in silence. It was then that I heard grunting. Listening intently for a few seconds, I hoped whoever was upchucking their beer and munchies wasn't leaving a huge mess for the cleanup crew. After pissing and still hearing the noise, I approached the stall the that moaning was coming from.</p><p>"Hey, you alright in t</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , there was a plan : how to bring together the two different development groups at work ?
My boss said there was a sort of tension he thought could be eased by some social interaction .
Not easy .
Both the different development groups despised one another , each thinking its " art " was more important and eloquent than the others'.First there was the XML group .
They worked on our website , documentation and formatting , and simple configuration apps and some front-ends to Java stuff .
They also did our web sites .
They used CSS , HTML , XSL , JavaScript , and a bit of Java .
They typically dressed casually , drank coffee and tea , and liked to work straight from the spec : no " Learn XSL in 30 Days " books were to be found in their cubicle farm.Then we had the Linux developers .
They worked " special hours , " coming in at one and staying late , supposedly , until seven or eight at night .
They enjoyed Bawls and had a penchant for ThinkGeek t-shirts and cracking jokes about Win32 API calls and the dreaded Blue Screen of Death .
They all had beards or mullets or long , unwashed hair .
Some had penguin or C code tattoos .
Their cubicle farm was known for the bleating laughter that exploded when one of them found a silly bug on someone else 's code , and for the rotten , fetid stench that could only be compared to three-day-old shit reeking from inside a rotting corpse 's abdominal cavity.So , in order to get the guys to get to know each other , my boss had asked me to organize a during-hours , alcohol-friendly party .
My ideas ranged from a keg or two to live entertainment , AKA strippers .
But as to what to get them to actually talk to each other in a human manner I had no clue .
So I let it go til the last minute and decided to let my inherent creativity mull it over in the back of my head.When the day of the party had arrived , the catering company brought in a few trays of lunch meat , chicken , pizza , and side dishes , I had picked up the four kegs from the local brewery , and the big-screen TV and DVD were set up ready to blast the Matrix into the eyes and ears of my co-workers .
The eagerness in the the air was encouraging and I thought that loosening up and smiles going on even now were a good sign .
I even saw some of the guys who 'd known each other previously begin to bunch up , bringing along the co-workers they knew from everyday work.The first thing everyone did was hit the food line , loading up their plates and grabbing a cup for beer to wash it down with .
A few approached me and thanked me for the food ; it seems appeasing the belly really did tame the beast .
After a few minutes of silence and eating and a few second and third courses , they guys were ready to sit down and be entertained .
After asking if anyone needed anything else before the movie started , the lights went out and the Matrix began playing .
I heard a few enthusiastic comments and jokes being told.About half-way through the movie I noticed a lot of the Linux guys getting up and presumably going to the restroom .
No suprise , as the second keg was history by now and the third was probably half-way gone .
I also noticed some of the guys bumping into things and stumbling .
Alcohol 's the social lubricant , eh ?
Well , not long after , my bladder beckoned and I answered .
As I made my way to the restroom , I had a self-satisfied smile on my face : my little plan was working , my boss would be happy , and it might even a Christmas bonus or a promotion ( even if in title only ) .Well , as soon as I pushed the restroom door open , I knew something was wrong .
The smell of vomit was pretty strong and I hoped that it 'd only been the work of one guy .
But the smell was so pungent !
After standing at the urinal , waiting for the golden flow to commence , I stood in silence .
It was then that I heard grunting .
Listening intently for a few seconds , I hoped whoever was upchucking their beer and munchies was n't leaving a huge mess for the cleanup crew .
After pissing and still hearing the noise , I approached the stall the that moaning was coming from .
" Hey , you alright in t</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, there was a plan: how to bring together the two different development groups at work?
My boss said there was a sort of tension he thought could be eased by some social interaction.
Not easy.
Both the different development groups despised one another, each thinking its "art" was more important and eloquent than the others'.First there was the XML group.
They worked on our website, documentation and formatting, and simple configuration apps and some front-ends to Java stuff.
They also did our web sites.
They used CSS, HTML, XSL, JavaScript, and a bit of Java.
They typically dressed casually, drank coffee and tea, and liked to work straight from the spec: no "Learn XSL in 30 Days" books were to be found in their cubicle farm.Then we had the Linux developers.
They worked "special hours," coming in at one and staying late, supposedly, until seven or eight at night.
They enjoyed Bawls and had a penchant for ThinkGeek t-shirts and cracking jokes about Win32 API calls and the dreaded Blue Screen of Death.
They all had beards or mullets or long, unwashed hair.
Some had penguin or C code tattoos.
Their cubicle farm was known for the bleating laughter that exploded when one of them found a silly bug on someone else's code, and for the rotten, fetid stench that could only be compared to three-day-old shit reeking from inside a rotting corpse's abdominal cavity.So, in order to get the guys to get to know each other, my boss had asked me to organize a during-hours, alcohol-friendly party.
My ideas ranged from a keg or two to live entertainment, AKA strippers.
But as to what to get them to actually talk to each other in a human manner I had no clue.
So I let it go til the last minute and decided to let my inherent creativity mull it over in the back of my head.When the day of the party had arrived, the catering company brought in a few trays of lunch meat, chicken, pizza, and side dishes, I had picked up the four kegs from the local brewery, and the big-screen TV and DVD were set up ready to blast the Matrix into the eyes and ears of my co-workers.
The eagerness in the the air was encouraging and I thought that loosening up and smiles going on even now were a good sign.
I even saw some of the guys who'd known each other previously begin to bunch up, bringing along the co-workers they knew from everyday work.The first thing everyone did was hit the food line, loading up their plates and grabbing a cup for beer to wash it down with.
A few approached me and thanked me for the food; it seems appeasing the belly really did tame the beast.
After a few minutes of silence and eating and a few second and third courses, they guys were ready to sit down and be entertained.
After asking if anyone needed anything else before the movie started, the lights went out and the Matrix began playing.
I heard a few enthusiastic comments and jokes being told.About half-way through the movie I noticed a lot of the Linux guys getting up and presumably going to the restroom.
No suprise, as the second keg was history by now and the third was probably half-way gone.
I also noticed some of the guys bumping into things and stumbling.
Alcohol's the social lubricant, eh?
Well, not long after, my bladder beckoned and I answered.
As I made my way to the restroom, I had a self-satisfied smile on my face: my little plan was working, my boss would be happy, and it might even a Christmas bonus or a promotion (even if in title only).Well, as soon as I pushed the restroom door open, I knew something was wrong.
The smell of vomit was pretty strong and I hoped that it'd only been the work of one guy.
But the smell was so pungent!
After standing at the urinal, waiting for the golden flow to commence, I stood in silence.
It was then that I heard grunting.
Listening intently for a few seconds, I hoped whoever was upchucking their beer and munchies wasn't leaving a huge mess for the cleanup crew.
After pissing and still hearing the noise, I approached the stall the that moaning was coming from.
"Hey, you alright in t</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561435</id>
	<title>I think there's a bigger problem</title>
	<author>m1ss1ontomars2k4</author>
	<datestamp>1246562520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think there's a bigger problem if you've already taken your PRESCRIPTION pain-killers and then you still take Tylenol. At any rate, I prefer acetaminophen because it fixes my headaches and doesn't need to be taken with food like ibuprofen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think there 's a bigger problem if you 've already taken your PRESCRIPTION pain-killers and then you still take Tylenol .
At any rate , I prefer acetaminophen because it fixes my headaches and does n't need to be taken with food like ibuprofen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think there's a bigger problem if you've already taken your PRESCRIPTION pain-killers and then you still take Tylenol.
At any rate, I prefer acetaminophen because it fixes my headaches and doesn't need to be taken with food like ibuprofen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28565225</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246532820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Acetaminophen causing nausea? More likely it's the dope your smoking reacting w/the hydrocodone...</p><p>Delusional to the last.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Acetaminophen causing nausea ?
More likely it 's the dope your smoking reacting w/the hydrocodone...Delusional to the last .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Acetaminophen causing nausea?
More likely it's the dope your smoking reacting w/the hydrocodone...Delusional to the last.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559951</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28600289</id>
	<title>Toxic Doses of Acetamenaphen</title>
	<author>BigGar'</author>
	<datestamp>1246877580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Over at the chemistry Daily Website they are talking about much larger doses than are being bandied about here:<br>
<a href="http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Acetaminophen" title="chemistrydaily.com">http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Acetaminophen</a> [chemistrydaily.com]
<br> <br> <i>
However, paracetamol single doses above 10 grams or chronic doses over 5 grams per day in a well nourished non-consumer of alcohol, or above 4 grams per day in a poorly nourished consumer of alcohol, can cause significant injury to the liver. Without timely treatment, paracetamol overdoses can lead to liver failure and death within days. Because of the wide over-the-counter availability of the drug, it is sometimes used in suicide attempts. </i> <br>
<br>
Then later on they discuss some of the risk factors:<br>
<i> <b>Risk factors for toxicity</b> <br>
<br>
The toxic dose of paracetamol is highly variable. In adults, single doses above 10 grams or 140 mg/kg have a reasonable likelihood of causing toxicity. In adults, single doses of more than 25 grams have a high risk of lethality. Toxicity can also occur when multiple smaller doses within 24 hours exceeds these levels, or even with chronic ingestion of smaller doses. However, unintentional paracetamol overdose in children rarely causes illness or death. This may be due in part to the immature cytochrome P450 (CYP) enzyme system in children. Excessive consumption of alcohol can impair liver function and increase the potential toxicity of paracetamol. For this reason, other analgesics such as aspirin or ibuprofen are recommended for hangovers.<br> <br>

Some individuals are more susceptible to hepatotoxicity, with toxic doses as low as 4 g/day, and death with as little as 6 g/day. Fasting is a risk factor, possibly because of depletion of hepatic glutathione reserves. It is well documented that concomitant use of the CYP2E1 inducer isoniazid increases the risk of hepatotoxicity, though whether CYP2E1 induction is related to the hepatotoxicity in this case is unclear (Crippin, 1993; Nolan et al., 1994). Chronic alcoholism, which also induces CYP2E1, is also well known to increase the risk of paracetamol-induced hepatotoxicity (Zimmerman &amp; Maddrey, 1995). Concomitant use of other drugs which induce CYP enzymes such as antiepileptics (including carbamazepine, phenytoin, barbiturates, etc) have also been reported as risk factors. </i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Over at the chemistry Daily Website they are talking about much larger doses than are being bandied about here : http : //www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Acetaminophen [ chemistrydaily.com ] However , paracetamol single doses above 10 grams or chronic doses over 5 grams per day in a well nourished non-consumer of alcohol , or above 4 grams per day in a poorly nourished consumer of alcohol , can cause significant injury to the liver .
Without timely treatment , paracetamol overdoses can lead to liver failure and death within days .
Because of the wide over-the-counter availability of the drug , it is sometimes used in suicide attempts .
Then later on they discuss some of the risk factors : Risk factors for toxicity The toxic dose of paracetamol is highly variable .
In adults , single doses above 10 grams or 140 mg/kg have a reasonable likelihood of causing toxicity .
In adults , single doses of more than 25 grams have a high risk of lethality .
Toxicity can also occur when multiple smaller doses within 24 hours exceeds these levels , or even with chronic ingestion of smaller doses .
However , unintentional paracetamol overdose in children rarely causes illness or death .
This may be due in part to the immature cytochrome P450 ( CYP ) enzyme system in children .
Excessive consumption of alcohol can impair liver function and increase the potential toxicity of paracetamol .
For this reason , other analgesics such as aspirin or ibuprofen are recommended for hangovers .
Some individuals are more susceptible to hepatotoxicity , with toxic doses as low as 4 g/day , and death with as little as 6 g/day .
Fasting is a risk factor , possibly because of depletion of hepatic glutathione reserves .
It is well documented that concomitant use of the CYP2E1 inducer isoniazid increases the risk of hepatotoxicity , though whether CYP2E1 induction is related to the hepatotoxicity in this case is unclear ( Crippin , 1993 ; Nolan et al. , 1994 ) .
Chronic alcoholism , which also induces CYP2E1 , is also well known to increase the risk of paracetamol-induced hepatotoxicity ( Zimmerman &amp; Maddrey , 1995 ) .
Concomitant use of other drugs which induce CYP enzymes such as antiepileptics ( including carbamazepine , phenytoin , barbiturates , etc ) have also been reported as risk factors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Over at the chemistry Daily Website they are talking about much larger doses than are being bandied about here:
http://www.chemistrydaily.com/chemistry/Acetaminophen [chemistrydaily.com]
  
However, paracetamol single doses above 10 grams or chronic doses over 5 grams per day in a well nourished non-consumer of alcohol, or above 4 grams per day in a poorly nourished consumer of alcohol, can cause significant injury to the liver.
Without timely treatment, paracetamol overdoses can lead to liver failure and death within days.
Because of the wide over-the-counter availability of the drug, it is sometimes used in suicide attempts.
Then later on they discuss some of the risk factors:
 Risk factors for toxicity 

The toxic dose of paracetamol is highly variable.
In adults, single doses above 10 grams or 140 mg/kg have a reasonable likelihood of causing toxicity.
In adults, single doses of more than 25 grams have a high risk of lethality.
Toxicity can also occur when multiple smaller doses within 24 hours exceeds these levels, or even with chronic ingestion of smaller doses.
However, unintentional paracetamol overdose in children rarely causes illness or death.
This may be due in part to the immature cytochrome P450 (CYP) enzyme system in children.
Excessive consumption of alcohol can impair liver function and increase the potential toxicity of paracetamol.
For this reason, other analgesics such as aspirin or ibuprofen are recommended for hangovers.
Some individuals are more susceptible to hepatotoxicity, with toxic doses as low as 4 g/day, and death with as little as 6 g/day.
Fasting is a risk factor, possibly because of depletion of hepatic glutathione reserves.
It is well documented that concomitant use of the CYP2E1 inducer isoniazid increases the risk of hepatotoxicity, though whether CYP2E1 induction is related to the hepatotoxicity in this case is unclear (Crippin, 1993; Nolan et al., 1994).
Chronic alcoholism, which also induces CYP2E1, is also well known to increase the risk of paracetamol-induced hepatotoxicity (Zimmerman &amp; Maddrey, 1995).
Concomitant use of other drugs which induce CYP enzymes such as antiepileptics (including carbamazepine, phenytoin, barbiturates, etc) have also been reported as risk factors. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560909</id>
	<title>Summary is factually wrong; daily limit is 4000mg</title>
	<author>Sangui5</author>
	<datestamp>1246560840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2000mg is not the daily limit for acetaminophen; 4000mg is. 2000-3000 is the limit for "at risk" populations (e.g. existing liver disease). The linked article doesn't even mention a dosage limit. You can take your 2 Percocets and 2 extra strength Tylenol and still be under the dose limit; that's only 2300 mg even with the high-dose Percocets.</p><p>It's one thing to be concerned about an overdose and set a dose limit; it's a completely different thing to arbitrarily lop the max dose in half to cause hysteria.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2000mg is not the daily limit for acetaminophen ; 4000mg is .
2000-3000 is the limit for " at risk " populations ( e.g .
existing liver disease ) .
The linked article does n't even mention a dosage limit .
You can take your 2 Percocets and 2 extra strength Tylenol and still be under the dose limit ; that 's only 2300 mg even with the high-dose Percocets.It 's one thing to be concerned about an overdose and set a dose limit ; it 's a completely different thing to arbitrarily lop the max dose in half to cause hysteria .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2000mg is not the daily limit for acetaminophen; 4000mg is.
2000-3000 is the limit for "at risk" populations (e.g.
existing liver disease).
The linked article doesn't even mention a dosage limit.
You can take your 2 Percocets and 2 extra strength Tylenol and still be under the dose limit; that's only 2300 mg even with the high-dose Percocets.It's one thing to be concerned about an overdose and set a dose limit; it's a completely different thing to arbitrarily lop the max dose in half to cause hysteria.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28569465</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1246615020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Can we ban water as well? if you drink 6 gallons in an hour it will kill you!</i> <p>

You've got your metric and imperial systems mixed up. Six \_liters\_ of water in an hour will kill you (especially if you don't keep up with the electrolyte supply, and aren't sweating like a river). That's only about one fourth of six gallons. And now you can feel guilty about all the people you just sent to their deaths because they only drank one and a half gallons, thinking it was way below the deadly dose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we ban water as well ?
if you drink 6 gallons in an hour it will kill you !
You 've got your metric and imperial systems mixed up .
Six \ _liters \ _ of water in an hour will kill you ( especially if you do n't keep up with the electrolyte supply , and are n't sweating like a river ) .
That 's only about one fourth of six gallons .
And now you can feel guilty about all the people you just sent to their deaths because they only drank one and a half gallons , thinking it was way below the deadly dose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we ban water as well?
if you drink 6 gallons in an hour it will kill you!
You've got your metric and imperial systems mixed up.
Six \_liters\_ of water in an hour will kill you (especially if you don't keep up with the electrolyte supply, and aren't sweating like a river).
That's only about one fourth of six gallons.
And now you can feel guilty about all the people you just sent to their deaths because they only drank one and a half gallons, thinking it was way below the deadly dose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559829</id>
	<title>What will kill pain then?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that the majority of these pain killers are extensively used to treat pain.  I took Percocet and Vicodin on occation after I was injured in the military.</p><p>What will replace these?  I hope the FDA advisory panel which is recommending the FDA ban these has a backup plan to ease pain.  The article says basically that doctors will have to explore other avenues of treatment, but wouldn't these acetaminophen based pills be the best already?  So, then we have to go to a sub-standard method of pain relief?  (maybe necessity will spur the development of safer pain killers?)</p><p>I for one, would rather risk damaging my liver over having incapacitating pain for weeks on end.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that the majority of these pain killers are extensively used to treat pain .
I took Percocet and Vicodin on occation after I was injured in the military.What will replace these ?
I hope the FDA advisory panel which is recommending the FDA ban these has a backup plan to ease pain .
The article says basically that doctors will have to explore other avenues of treatment , but would n't these acetaminophen based pills be the best already ?
So , then we have to go to a sub-standard method of pain relief ?
( maybe necessity will spur the development of safer pain killers ?
) I for one , would rather risk damaging my liver over having incapacitating pain for weeks on end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that the majority of these pain killers are extensively used to treat pain.
I took Percocet and Vicodin on occation after I was injured in the military.What will replace these?
I hope the FDA advisory panel which is recommending the FDA ban these has a backup plan to ease pain.
The article says basically that doctors will have to explore other avenues of treatment, but wouldn't these acetaminophen based pills be the best already?
So, then we have to go to a sub-standard method of pain relief?
(maybe necessity will spur the development of safer pain killers?
)I for one, would rather risk damaging my liver over having incapacitating pain for weeks on end.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559909</id>
	<title>Well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this is an issue with miss use, then pulling it from the shelf seems ok; however not letting a doctor prescribe it is just stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this is an issue with miss use , then pulling it from the shelf seems ok ; however not letting a doctor prescribe it is just stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this is an issue with miss use, then pulling it from the shelf seems ok; however not letting a doctor prescribe it is just stupid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28626739</id>
	<title>right hand left hand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247083620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is just simply retarded. The FDA mandates APAP is put into these drugs to make sure people can't abuse them. So when people abuse them anyway and start having liver failure, now they're saying "OH SHIT WE BETTER PULL THESE OFF THE MARKET!"</p><p>What about hydrocodone? It isn't available by itself in the US (Dicodid in Europe). What about all the chronic pain patients that need these types of medications?</p><p>This is simply intolerable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just simply retarded .
The FDA mandates APAP is put into these drugs to make sure people ca n't abuse them .
So when people abuse them anyway and start having liver failure , now they 're saying " OH SHIT WE BETTER PULL THESE OFF THE MARKET !
" What about hydrocodone ?
It is n't available by itself in the US ( Dicodid in Europe ) .
What about all the chronic pain patients that need these types of medications ? This is simply intolerable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just simply retarded.
The FDA mandates APAP is put into these drugs to make sure people can't abuse them.
So when people abuse them anyway and start having liver failure, now they're saying "OH SHIT WE BETTER PULL THESE OFF THE MARKET!
"What about hydrocodone?
It isn't available by itself in the US (Dicodid in Europe).
What about all the chronic pain patients that need these types of medications?This is simply intolerable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28564341</id>
	<title>How serendipitous</title>
	<author>Lalo Martins</author>
	<datestamp>1246529100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While living in mainland China, I've been preferring those based on paracetamol.  It works well for me, without any side effects I have noticed.  But now spending some time in HK, all their popular pain-killers are based on this acetaminophen, which I had never heard of before.  So I held off buying, decided to research a bit online, and then of course, forgot to actually do it.  Thanks Slashdot<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</htmltext>
<tokenext>While living in mainland China , I 've been preferring those based on paracetamol .
It works well for me , without any side effects I have noticed .
But now spending some time in HK , all their popular pain-killers are based on this acetaminophen , which I had never heard of before .
So I held off buying , decided to research a bit online , and then of course , forgot to actually do it .
Thanks Slashdot : -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While living in mainland China, I've been preferring those based on paracetamol.
It works well for me, without any side effects I have noticed.
But now spending some time in HK, all their popular pain-killers are based on this acetaminophen, which I had never heard of before.
So I held off buying, decided to research a bit online, and then of course, forgot to actually do it.
Thanks Slashdot :-P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560133</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246558620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"So we ban something because the <b> average </b> person is too stupid to read the bottle?"</p><p>Perhaps if ti's the average person, then there is an issue.</p><p>Anyways, this is just a ban from putting two specific medication together in the same pill. There reason are good and are not "because the average person is stupid".</p><p>Of course, one if the most stupidest things someone can do is post about an article they clearly didn't read. Of course, the most stupiest thing, bar none, is having a land war in Asia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" So we ban something because the average person is too stupid to read the bottle ?
" Perhaps if ti 's the average person , then there is an issue.Anyways , this is just a ban from putting two specific medication together in the same pill .
There reason are good and are not " because the average person is stupid " .Of course , one if the most stupidest things someone can do is post about an article they clearly did n't read .
Of course , the most stupiest thing , bar none , is having a land war in Asia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"So we ban something because the  average  person is too stupid to read the bottle?
"Perhaps if ti's the average person, then there is an issue.Anyways, this is just a ban from putting two specific medication together in the same pill.
There reason are good and are not "because the average person is stupid".Of course, one if the most stupidest things someone can do is post about an article they clearly didn't read.
Of course, the most stupiest thing, bar none, is having a land war in Asia.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560929</id>
	<title>Re:Doctors orders</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246560900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But it hasn't been used successfully moron.  Hundreds of people die each year from liver failure because of these drug combinations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But it has n't been used successfully moron .
Hundreds of people die each year from liver failure because of these drug combinations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it hasn't been used successfully moron.
Hundreds of people die each year from liver failure because of these drug combinations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28564073</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246528020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The above is simply wrong. The reason that the two drugs are combined is that they act through different pathways with a synergistic effect. This effect is exhaustively documented in the peer-reviewed literature. I can attest to it ancedotally, as I'm recovering from orthopedic surgery, and I have prescriptions for both plain oxycodone and percocet (oxycodone + acetominophen). The Percocet is effective for me at a much lower (oxycodone) dosage than oxycodone alone. This is a GOOD THING, since oxycodone is (1) addictive and (2) has unpleasant side effects, such as making you sleepy and constipated. For these reasons Percocet is a much better drug.</p><p>And anyway there is a LOT of factual error in TFA. And by the way, I teach biochemistry to medical students, so yeah, I know of what I speak.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The above is simply wrong .
The reason that the two drugs are combined is that they act through different pathways with a synergistic effect .
This effect is exhaustively documented in the peer-reviewed literature .
I can attest to it ancedotally , as I 'm recovering from orthopedic surgery , and I have prescriptions for both plain oxycodone and percocet ( oxycodone + acetominophen ) .
The Percocet is effective for me at a much lower ( oxycodone ) dosage than oxycodone alone .
This is a GOOD THING , since oxycodone is ( 1 ) addictive and ( 2 ) has unpleasant side effects , such as making you sleepy and constipated .
For these reasons Percocet is a much better drug.And anyway there is a LOT of factual error in TFA .
And by the way , I teach biochemistry to medical students , so yeah , I know of what I speak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The above is simply wrong.
The reason that the two drugs are combined is that they act through different pathways with a synergistic effect.
This effect is exhaustively documented in the peer-reviewed literature.
I can attest to it ancedotally, as I'm recovering from orthopedic surgery, and I have prescriptions for both plain oxycodone and percocet (oxycodone + acetominophen).
The Percocet is effective for me at a much lower (oxycodone) dosage than oxycodone alone.
This is a GOOD THING, since oxycodone is (1) addictive and (2) has unpleasant side effects, such as making you sleepy and constipated.
For these reasons Percocet is a much better drug.And anyway there is a LOT of factual error in TFA.
And by the way, I teach biochemistry to medical students, so yeah, I know of what I speak.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560497</id>
	<title>Acetaminophen is a deterrent</title>
	<author>eeyoredragon</author>
	<datestamp>1246559640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've always been under the impression that acetaminophen is added to narcotics mainly for the purpose of making it so one cannot take large quantities of said narcotic without getting sick. So, I'm not really sure what the problem is here... they shouldn't have been mixed in from the get go imo. The only good thing that comes of including it is that it's able to regulated less strictly that way. (I'm side stepping my opinion on regulation here.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always been under the impression that acetaminophen is added to narcotics mainly for the purpose of making it so one can not take large quantities of said narcotic without getting sick .
So , I 'm not really sure what the problem is here... they should n't have been mixed in from the get go imo .
The only good thing that comes of including it is that it 's able to regulated less strictly that way .
( I 'm side stepping my opinion on regulation here .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always been under the impression that acetaminophen is added to narcotics mainly for the purpose of making it so one cannot take large quantities of said narcotic without getting sick.
So, I'm not really sure what the problem is here... they shouldn't have been mixed in from the get go imo.
The only good thing that comes of including it is that it's able to regulated less strictly that way.
(I'm side stepping my opinion on regulation here.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28624599</id>
	<title>Re:Umm, that's the POINT.. to be toxic.</title>
	<author>gnuotaku</author>
	<datestamp>1247076300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I've seen quite a few addicts who were downing 40 pills a day of percocet or vicodin, with no ill effects.</p></div><p>That right there tells me something is wrong. I'm a chronic pain patient, fortunate enough to be in Canada where <i>all</i> of our pain killing opiates are available without paracetamol (though you can still get say, Tylenol with codeine, but codeine is also available seperately). Mixing the paracetamol does have some theraputic value but not a heck of a lot. Certainly not enough to justify potentially destroying the livers of pain patients because their pain is not controlled by the maximum dose of compounded drugs available to them and thus forced to take more than the upper limit of APAP. Anecdotal evidence, sure, but in my own experience (taking morphine for shoulder pain) adding an extra strength tylenol to the mix whenever I take morphine doesn't help enough to be noticeable. It's not enough that I can reduce the dose of morphine I need, and so compounded drugs would not be useful in their intended purpose (at least for me, once again this is definitely not scientific).</p><p>It doesn't really dissuade drug users either. Sure, they are worth less on the street--but it is very easy to extract the APAP from them (see cold water extraction) and any addict that knows about this will do it (a friend of mine lived next to some casual opiate users in residence and they called upon him to do the cold water extraction). However, the majority of people who abuse these drugs aren't necessarily aware of the damage it will do to their liver. A lot of them are teens! It's absolutely wrong that this compounding is harming kids who don't know any better (about the APAP). Don't go taking this as "think of the children" though. But it's undeniable that a higher percentage of teens are using/abusing opiate painkillers without a prescription than before, probably on the grounds that "oh, because it's prescription its probably safer [than street drugs]" It's unfortunate that they don't know/care/understand the effects the APAP mixed in with the opiates they're using. Hell, even the media is contributing to this: look at House. Everyone who knows anything about Vicodin and what's inferred about House's use of it would know that he (a) would have switched to a lower APAP formulation, or a non-compounded drug (b) the level of APAP he's taking in would have completely destroyed his liver. And yet this is not talked about, probably because of widespread misconceptions about these compounded drugs</p><p>I really think that its unfortunate that the legitimate users of these opiate pain relieves are the ones that are probably at highest risk for liver problems, especially chronic pain patients who will take opiates for years on end. It's also unfortunate that although opiates and APAP have a synergistic effect, this is not really the reason for combining them [at least in the eyes of some] and it leads to more harm to those that abuse them than addiction and physical dependence would alone. Stop punishing the drug abusers. They need help, not to be punished by society because they "deserve" it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen quite a few addicts who were downing 40 pills a day of percocet or vicodin , with no ill effects.That right there tells me something is wrong .
I 'm a chronic pain patient , fortunate enough to be in Canada where all of our pain killing opiates are available without paracetamol ( though you can still get say , Tylenol with codeine , but codeine is also available seperately ) .
Mixing the paracetamol does have some theraputic value but not a heck of a lot .
Certainly not enough to justify potentially destroying the livers of pain patients because their pain is not controlled by the maximum dose of compounded drugs available to them and thus forced to take more than the upper limit of APAP .
Anecdotal evidence , sure , but in my own experience ( taking morphine for shoulder pain ) adding an extra strength tylenol to the mix whenever I take morphine does n't help enough to be noticeable .
It 's not enough that I can reduce the dose of morphine I need , and so compounded drugs would not be useful in their intended purpose ( at least for me , once again this is definitely not scientific ) .It does n't really dissuade drug users either .
Sure , they are worth less on the street--but it is very easy to extract the APAP from them ( see cold water extraction ) and any addict that knows about this will do it ( a friend of mine lived next to some casual opiate users in residence and they called upon him to do the cold water extraction ) .
However , the majority of people who abuse these drugs are n't necessarily aware of the damage it will do to their liver .
A lot of them are teens !
It 's absolutely wrong that this compounding is harming kids who do n't know any better ( about the APAP ) .
Do n't go taking this as " think of the children " though .
But it 's undeniable that a higher percentage of teens are using/abusing opiate painkillers without a prescription than before , probably on the grounds that " oh , because it 's prescription its probably safer [ than street drugs ] " It 's unfortunate that they do n't know/care/understand the effects the APAP mixed in with the opiates they 're using .
Hell , even the media is contributing to this : look at House .
Everyone who knows anything about Vicodin and what 's inferred about House 's use of it would know that he ( a ) would have switched to a lower APAP formulation , or a non-compounded drug ( b ) the level of APAP he 's taking in would have completely destroyed his liver .
And yet this is not talked about , probably because of widespread misconceptions about these compounded drugsI really think that its unfortunate that the legitimate users of these opiate pain relieves are the ones that are probably at highest risk for liver problems , especially chronic pain patients who will take opiates for years on end .
It 's also unfortunate that although opiates and APAP have a synergistic effect , this is not really the reason for combining them [ at least in the eyes of some ] and it leads to more harm to those that abuse them than addiction and physical dependence would alone .
Stop punishing the drug abusers .
They need help , not to be punished by society because they " deserve " it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I've seen quite a few addicts who were downing 40 pills a day of percocet or vicodin, with no ill effects.That right there tells me something is wrong.
I'm a chronic pain patient, fortunate enough to be in Canada where all of our pain killing opiates are available without paracetamol (though you can still get say, Tylenol with codeine, but codeine is also available seperately).
Mixing the paracetamol does have some theraputic value but not a heck of a lot.
Certainly not enough to justify potentially destroying the livers of pain patients because their pain is not controlled by the maximum dose of compounded drugs available to them and thus forced to take more than the upper limit of APAP.
Anecdotal evidence, sure, but in my own experience (taking morphine for shoulder pain) adding an extra strength tylenol to the mix whenever I take morphine doesn't help enough to be noticeable.
It's not enough that I can reduce the dose of morphine I need, and so compounded drugs would not be useful in their intended purpose (at least for me, once again this is definitely not scientific).It doesn't really dissuade drug users either.
Sure, they are worth less on the street--but it is very easy to extract the APAP from them (see cold water extraction) and any addict that knows about this will do it (a friend of mine lived next to some casual opiate users in residence and they called upon him to do the cold water extraction).
However, the majority of people who abuse these drugs aren't necessarily aware of the damage it will do to their liver.
A lot of them are teens!
It's absolutely wrong that this compounding is harming kids who don't know any better (about the APAP).
Don't go taking this as "think of the children" though.
But it's undeniable that a higher percentage of teens are using/abusing opiate painkillers without a prescription than before, probably on the grounds that "oh, because it's prescription its probably safer [than street drugs]" It's unfortunate that they don't know/care/understand the effects the APAP mixed in with the opiates they're using.
Hell, even the media is contributing to this: look at House.
Everyone who knows anything about Vicodin and what's inferred about House's use of it would know that he (a) would have switched to a lower APAP formulation, or a non-compounded drug (b) the level of APAP he's taking in would have completely destroyed his liver.
And yet this is not talked about, probably because of widespread misconceptions about these compounded drugsI really think that its unfortunate that the legitimate users of these opiate pain relieves are the ones that are probably at highest risk for liver problems, especially chronic pain patients who will take opiates for years on end.
It's also unfortunate that although opiates and APAP have a synergistic effect, this is not really the reason for combining them [at least in the eyes of some] and it leads to more harm to those that abuse them than addiction and physical dependence would alone.
Stop punishing the drug abusers.
They need help, not to be punished by society because they "deserve" it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560243</id>
	<title>Re:I for one</title>
	<author>twidarkling</author>
	<datestamp>1246558860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm. Hasn't happened in Canada.</p><p>You fail it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm .
Has n't happened in Canada.You fail it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm.
Hasn't happened in Canada.You fail it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28567107</id>
	<title>Re:Where is this 2,000 mg number coming from?</title>
	<author>unifyingtheory</author>
	<datestamp>1246544580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a pharmacist, I know that the current FDA limit is no more than 4,000mg per day.  Where did your number come from?</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a pharmacist , I know that the current FDA limit is no more than 4,000mg per day .
Where did your number come from ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a pharmacist, I know that the current FDA limit is no more than 4,000mg per day.
Where did your number come from?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561669</id>
	<title>Playing it Safe in the Nanny State</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246563300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is that most people think the company with its army of lawyers has said that the limit should be 4 pills per day because they know people are going to take more than that and if they print the limit as 4, and the real limit is 8, less people are going to push it. Anecdotally, I've read an OTC medicine that said "take no more than X" per day, but had a doctor say if you're really hurting or really sick you can take "Y" ammount and be OK, just don't do it everyday. For example, the generic ibupropen bottle I have says take no more than 8 pills per day (1600mg), but I have an Rx for 800mg tablets, taken 3 times a day for backpain, which other than being bigger, are the same as taking 4 OTC 200mg ones. Why should I take the 1600mg limit on the bottle seriously when the doctor says go for it pretty frequently when my back flares up.<br> <br>
The problem with the nanny state is when they complain about everything, and put warning labels on absolutely everything because somewhere one person didn't know that a pack of peanuts could contain peanuts, they start taking everything with a grain of salt, including the really important ones and assume it is all there to cover the company's ass to protect against the family that sues because Timmy didn't know that taking 16 tylenols aren't going to make the problem go away faster.<br> <br>
While we're on the subject, APAP "PM" formulations with sleep aides in them serve no purpose if you're awake do to insomnia and not pain. My parents both take them all the time to adjust to shift-work changes which I know would be better if they took just the sleep aide for. It is one of those things that is in everything, and has been around for so long, and is so easy to get that no one questions it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that most people think the company with its army of lawyers has said that the limit should be 4 pills per day because they know people are going to take more than that and if they print the limit as 4 , and the real limit is 8 , less people are going to push it .
Anecdotally , I 've read an OTC medicine that said " take no more than X " per day , but had a doctor say if you 're really hurting or really sick you can take " Y " ammount and be OK , just do n't do it everyday .
For example , the generic ibupropen bottle I have says take no more than 8 pills per day ( 1600mg ) , but I have an Rx for 800mg tablets , taken 3 times a day for backpain , which other than being bigger , are the same as taking 4 OTC 200mg ones .
Why should I take the 1600mg limit on the bottle seriously when the doctor says go for it pretty frequently when my back flares up .
The problem with the nanny state is when they complain about everything , and put warning labels on absolutely everything because somewhere one person did n't know that a pack of peanuts could contain peanuts , they start taking everything with a grain of salt , including the really important ones and assume it is all there to cover the company 's ass to protect against the family that sues because Timmy did n't know that taking 16 tylenols are n't going to make the problem go away faster .
While we 're on the subject , APAP " PM " formulations with sleep aides in them serve no purpose if you 're awake do to insomnia and not pain .
My parents both take them all the time to adjust to shift-work changes which I know would be better if they took just the sleep aide for .
It is one of those things that is in everything , and has been around for so long , and is so easy to get that no one questions it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that most people think the company with its army of lawyers has said that the limit should be 4 pills per day because they know people are going to take more than that and if they print the limit as 4, and the real limit is 8, less people are going to push it.
Anecdotally, I've read an OTC medicine that said "take no more than X" per day, but had a doctor say if you're really hurting or really sick you can take "Y" ammount and be OK, just don't do it everyday.
For example, the generic ibupropen bottle I have says take no more than 8 pills per day (1600mg), but I have an Rx for 800mg tablets, taken 3 times a day for backpain, which other than being bigger, are the same as taking 4 OTC 200mg ones.
Why should I take the 1600mg limit on the bottle seriously when the doctor says go for it pretty frequently when my back flares up.
The problem with the nanny state is when they complain about everything, and put warning labels on absolutely everything because somewhere one person didn't know that a pack of peanuts could contain peanuts, they start taking everything with a grain of salt, including the really important ones and assume it is all there to cover the company's ass to protect against the family that sues because Timmy didn't know that taking 16 tylenols aren't going to make the problem go away faster.
While we're on the subject, APAP "PM" formulations with sleep aides in them serve no purpose if you're awake do to insomnia and not pain.
My parents both take them all the time to adjust to shift-work changes which I know would be better if they took just the sleep aide for.
It is one of those things that is in everything, and has been around for so long, and is so easy to get that no one questions it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559893</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, let's protect people from their own stupidity. Next, we can make it illegal to sell desks without permanently attached foam on the corners to protect you in case you trip!</p><p>Anyone taking medicine should know they have to check for drug interactions and overdoses. The medical industry has been harping about it for years. If the product they offer is safe when following the directions, then it's not their problem if people do stupid things with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , let 's protect people from their own stupidity .
Next , we can make it illegal to sell desks without permanently attached foam on the corners to protect you in case you trip ! Anyone taking medicine should know they have to check for drug interactions and overdoses .
The medical industry has been harping about it for years .
If the product they offer is safe when following the directions , then it 's not their problem if people do stupid things with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, let's protect people from their own stupidity.
Next, we can make it illegal to sell desks without permanently attached foam on the corners to protect you in case you trip!Anyone taking medicine should know they have to check for drug interactions and overdoses.
The medical industry has been harping about it for years.
If the product they offer is safe when following the directions, then it's not their problem if people do stupid things with it.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246535100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>You should have your doctor prescribe Hycodan instead, it's a hydrocodone syrup with no added APAP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should have your doctor prescribe Hycodan instead , it 's a hydrocodone syrup with no added APAP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should have your doctor prescribe Hycodan instead, it's a hydrocodone syrup with no added APAP.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560769</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1246560420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, I should have mentioned this.  Aspirin and ibuprofen can damage the stomach lining, and drinking alcohol thins the blood which can increase the risk of stomach bleeding.  Best thing to do for a hangover is to drink water and coffee and smoke some pot.  If you absolutely must take an analgesic, use ibuprofen it doesn't thin the blood as much as aspirin does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I should have mentioned this .
Aspirin and ibuprofen can damage the stomach lining , and drinking alcohol thins the blood which can increase the risk of stomach bleeding .
Best thing to do for a hangover is to drink water and coffee and smoke some pot .
If you absolutely must take an analgesic , use ibuprofen it does n't thin the blood as much as aspirin does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I should have mentioned this.
Aspirin and ibuprofen can damage the stomach lining, and drinking alcohol thins the blood which can increase the risk of stomach bleeding.
Best thing to do for a hangover is to drink water and coffee and smoke some pot.
If you absolutely must take an analgesic, use ibuprofen it doesn't thin the blood as much as aspirin does.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28564549</id>
	<title>Re:But for what durration?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246530000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2 times in my life I've had a serious condition (West Nile desiese = migraine level headaches for 2 months straight) and recently a multi-level fusion in my neck which layed me up for 3 months.<br>The first injury was when I was educated on, and also discovered the seriousness of these.  At the (well known) limit of Asprin or acetaminophen, \_or a cumulative combination of the two\_ YOUR EARS RING.<br>This is at around 500mg every 6 hours. (eg: 2000mg/24 hrs.)  This is an indication of these toxins building to the point of liver toxicity.   The problem is, that people with this much chronic pain, depending on the time of day or recent activity, you need to re-dose around 4 hours.</p><p>Huge problem at that point if you stick with just asprin and/or Tylenol...  Solution:  I alternated between all these,, 6AM: 1 Excedrin extra strength (250 mg asprin, 250mg tylenol, and some caffine to help with pain and wake up without coffee (please don't drink coffee on top if this stuff if you have 2 months of suffering).    ~10am or up to noon:  1 Naproxin sodium (Allieve), and usually 200 or 400mg of Ibuprofin. (naprox lasts 12 hours.. but don't double up on these either!)    then repeat the 6AM thing at 5 or 6PM and then the noon thing at 10 or 11PM.</p><p>interleave the stuff, and your ears don't ring, your liver is happy, and your stomach is happy, and your pain is managed.</p><p>On the other injury, yes oxycodone became too "yucky" for me (after 2 months), and only lasted 4 hours, and "had to have another".  so the 10/325's would get me around the clock and under the 2kmg limit. Also took celebrex, along with some xanax to take the edge off...    Later I downshifted to tramadol... and then finally, kicked the narcotics with a crazy week of PT.  now I wake up once every few weeks sleeping on it bad, and take a couple tylenol or ibuprofin.</p><p>anyways...     If your ears are ringing, STOP taking the asprin or Tylenol... switch to something else, and remember to drink lots of apple or cranberry juice!<br>the narcotics make you constipated also... you have to take a dulcolax once a day (or drink 4 glasses of applejuice/day) or your ass will hurt also.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...stay off the narcos also.. 50\% of "functioning addicts" got on them in the first place because of an injury and a legitimate prescription... looking at the posts on slashdot, there are a lot of those "experienced" people here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 times in my life I 've had a serious condition ( West Nile desiese = migraine level headaches for 2 months straight ) and recently a multi-level fusion in my neck which layed me up for 3 months.The first injury was when I was educated on , and also discovered the seriousness of these .
At the ( well known ) limit of Asprin or acetaminophen , \ _or a cumulative combination of the two \ _ YOUR EARS RING.This is at around 500mg every 6 hours .
( eg : 2000mg/24 hrs .
) This is an indication of these toxins building to the point of liver toxicity .
The problem is , that people with this much chronic pain , depending on the time of day or recent activity , you need to re-dose around 4 hours.Huge problem at that point if you stick with just asprin and/or Tylenol... Solution : I alternated between all these, , 6AM : 1 Excedrin extra strength ( 250 mg asprin , 250mg tylenol , and some caffine to help with pain and wake up without coffee ( please do n't drink coffee on top if this stuff if you have 2 months of suffering ) .
~ 10am or up to noon : 1 Naproxin sodium ( Allieve ) , and usually 200 or 400mg of Ibuprofin .
( naprox lasts 12 hours.. but do n't double up on these either !
) then repeat the 6AM thing at 5 or 6PM and then the noon thing at 10 or 11PM.interleave the stuff , and your ears do n't ring , your liver is happy , and your stomach is happy , and your pain is managed.On the other injury , yes oxycodone became too " yucky " for me ( after 2 months ) , and only lasted 4 hours , and " had to have another " .
so the 10/325 's would get me around the clock and under the 2kmg limit .
Also took celebrex , along with some xanax to take the edge off... Later I downshifted to tramadol... and then finally , kicked the narcotics with a crazy week of PT .
now I wake up once every few weeks sleeping on it bad , and take a couple tylenol or ibuprofin.anyways... If your ears are ringing , STOP taking the asprin or Tylenol... switch to something else , and remember to drink lots of apple or cranberry juice ! the narcotics make you constipated also... you have to take a dulcolax once a day ( or drink 4 glasses of applejuice/day ) or your ass will hurt also .
...stay off the narcos also.. 50 \ % of " functioning addicts " got on them in the first place because of an injury and a legitimate prescription... looking at the posts on slashdot , there are a lot of those " experienced " people here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 times in my life I've had a serious condition (West Nile desiese = migraine level headaches for 2 months straight) and recently a multi-level fusion in my neck which layed me up for 3 months.The first injury was when I was educated on, and also discovered the seriousness of these.
At the (well known) limit of Asprin or acetaminophen, \_or a cumulative combination of the two\_ YOUR EARS RING.This is at around 500mg every 6 hours.
(eg: 2000mg/24 hrs.
)  This is an indication of these toxins building to the point of liver toxicity.
The problem is, that people with this much chronic pain, depending on the time of day or recent activity, you need to re-dose around 4 hours.Huge problem at that point if you stick with just asprin and/or Tylenol...  Solution:  I alternated between all these,, 6AM: 1 Excedrin extra strength (250 mg asprin, 250mg tylenol, and some caffine to help with pain and wake up without coffee (please don't drink coffee on top if this stuff if you have 2 months of suffering).
~10am or up to noon:  1 Naproxin sodium (Allieve), and usually 200 or 400mg of Ibuprofin.
(naprox lasts 12 hours.. but don't double up on these either!
)    then repeat the 6AM thing at 5 or 6PM and then the noon thing at 10 or 11PM.interleave the stuff, and your ears don't ring, your liver is happy, and your stomach is happy, and your pain is managed.On the other injury, yes oxycodone became too "yucky" for me (after 2 months), and only lasted 4 hours, and "had to have another".
so the 10/325's would get me around the clock and under the 2kmg limit.
Also took celebrex, along with some xanax to take the edge off...    Later I downshifted to tramadol... and then finally, kicked the narcotics with a crazy week of PT.
now I wake up once every few weeks sleeping on it bad, and take a couple tylenol or ibuprofin.anyways...     If your ears are ringing, STOP taking the asprin or Tylenol... switch to something else, and remember to drink lots of apple or cranberry juice!the narcotics make you constipated also... you have to take a dulcolax once a day (or drink 4 glasses of applejuice/day) or your ass will hurt also.
...stay off the narcos also.. 50\% of "functioning addicts" got on them in the first place because of an injury and a legitimate prescription... looking at the posts on slashdot, there are a lot of those "experienced" people here.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>dargon</author>
	<datestamp>1246561140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the other problem is that it's in so many different products, that it's very easy to slip up.  The recommended daily maximum dose of acetaminophen is 4000mg. Extra Strength Tylenol contains 500mg / pill and the recommended dose is 1-2 pills every 4 hours.  Nyquil liquicaps contain 325mg and the dosage of 1-2 pills every 6 hours.  Nyquil liquid contains 500mg / 15ml with a recommended dosage of 30ml every 6 hours.  Add in the fact that most people are stupid and don't realize that the maximum dosage listed on a box is mainly because of the acetaminophen and I can easily see an accidental overdose of acetaminophen occurring.</p><p>Wake up feeling like crap cause of the flu, pop a couple tylenol and a couple nyquil liquicaps, start to feel better (1650mg 8am)<br>4 hours later, still feeling crappy, pop a couple more tylenol (2650mg 12pm)<br>2 hours later, oh, good, I can take a couple more liquicaps (3300mg 2pm)<br>2 hours later, is my headache coming back?  Better take some more tylenol (4300mg 4pm)</p><p>8 hours into the day, and someone has already taken more than the recommended amount and there's still around 6-7 hours till they'll probably go to bed, easily providing enough time to ingest at least 2000mg more acetaminophen</p><p>People are stupid, and the advertising says take this, it'll make you feel better, not take this it'll make you but be careful what else your taking or it could kill you.  Most people don't read warning labels on medications that don't require a prescription to buy, hell, they generally don't read the warning on prescription medications either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the other problem is that it 's in so many different products , that it 's very easy to slip up .
The recommended daily maximum dose of acetaminophen is 4000mg .
Extra Strength Tylenol contains 500mg / pill and the recommended dose is 1-2 pills every 4 hours .
Nyquil liquicaps contain 325mg and the dosage of 1-2 pills every 6 hours .
Nyquil liquid contains 500mg / 15ml with a recommended dosage of 30ml every 6 hours .
Add in the fact that most people are stupid and do n't realize that the maximum dosage listed on a box is mainly because of the acetaminophen and I can easily see an accidental overdose of acetaminophen occurring.Wake up feeling like crap cause of the flu , pop a couple tylenol and a couple nyquil liquicaps , start to feel better ( 1650mg 8am ) 4 hours later , still feeling crappy , pop a couple more tylenol ( 2650mg 12pm ) 2 hours later , oh , good , I can take a couple more liquicaps ( 3300mg 2pm ) 2 hours later , is my headache coming back ?
Better take some more tylenol ( 4300mg 4pm ) 8 hours into the day , and someone has already taken more than the recommended amount and there 's still around 6-7 hours till they 'll probably go to bed , easily providing enough time to ingest at least 2000mg more acetaminophenPeople are stupid , and the advertising says take this , it 'll make you feel better , not take this it 'll make you but be careful what else your taking or it could kill you .
Most people do n't read warning labels on medications that do n't require a prescription to buy , hell , they generally do n't read the warning on prescription medications either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the other problem is that it's in so many different products, that it's very easy to slip up.
The recommended daily maximum dose of acetaminophen is 4000mg.
Extra Strength Tylenol contains 500mg / pill and the recommended dose is 1-2 pills every 4 hours.
Nyquil liquicaps contain 325mg and the dosage of 1-2 pills every 6 hours.
Nyquil liquid contains 500mg / 15ml with a recommended dosage of 30ml every 6 hours.
Add in the fact that most people are stupid and don't realize that the maximum dosage listed on a box is mainly because of the acetaminophen and I can easily see an accidental overdose of acetaminophen occurring.Wake up feeling like crap cause of the flu, pop a couple tylenol and a couple nyquil liquicaps, start to feel better (1650mg 8am)4 hours later, still feeling crappy, pop a couple more tylenol (2650mg 12pm)2 hours later, oh, good, I can take a couple more liquicaps (3300mg 2pm)2 hours later, is my headache coming back?
Better take some more tylenol (4300mg 4pm)8 hours into the day, and someone has already taken more than the recommended amount and there's still around 6-7 hours till they'll probably go to bed, easily providing enough time to ingest at least 2000mg more acetaminophenPeople are stupid, and the advertising says take this, it'll make you feel better, not take this it'll make you but be careful what else your taking or it could kill you.
Most people don't read warning labels on medications that don't require a prescription to buy, hell, they generally don't read the warning on prescription medications either.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Umm, that's the POINT.. to be toxic.</title>
	<author>dickmerkin</author>
	<datestamp>1246531680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've worked in a liver transplant unit, which is where Tylenol poisoned patients land...

The whole idea is to make drugs like vicodin toxic in high doses and lethal IV.  These are called "Compounded" drugs.  They have a maximum dose, over which it becomes toxic.  Drugs like oxycontin have no maximum dose (if you are adequately physically tolerant to opiate drugs) It's like similar to the practice of adding an adulterant (e.g. isopropanol, methyl ethyl ketone, methanol, etc ) to ethanol to make it undrinkable.  In addition to Tylenol, atropine and aspirin are used as adulterants.   The theory is that they will have less value to opiate addicts and it works.  Compounded drugs are worth less on the street than uncompounded drugs.  Almost Invariably, people who OD (not counting suicide attempts)  on the Tylenol portion of a compounded drugs are abusing it.  Furthermore, they are usually malnourished alcoholics who already have underlying liver disease...

Last of all, most people aren't as susceptible to Tylenol toxicity as the people who get into trouble.  I've seen quite a few addicts who were downing 40 pills a day of percocet or vicodin, with no ill effects.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've worked in a liver transplant unit , which is where Tylenol poisoned patients land.. . The whole idea is to make drugs like vicodin toxic in high doses and lethal IV .
These are called " Compounded " drugs .
They have a maximum dose , over which it becomes toxic .
Drugs like oxycontin have no maximum dose ( if you are adequately physically tolerant to opiate drugs ) It 's like similar to the practice of adding an adulterant ( e.g .
isopropanol , methyl ethyl ketone , methanol , etc ) to ethanol to make it undrinkable .
In addition to Tylenol , atropine and aspirin are used as adulterants .
The theory is that they will have less value to opiate addicts and it works .
Compounded drugs are worth less on the street than uncompounded drugs .
Almost Invariably , people who OD ( not counting suicide attempts ) on the Tylenol portion of a compounded drugs are abusing it .
Furthermore , they are usually malnourished alcoholics who already have underlying liver disease.. . Last of all , most people are n't as susceptible to Tylenol toxicity as the people who get into trouble .
I 've seen quite a few addicts who were downing 40 pills a day of percocet or vicodin , with no ill effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've worked in a liver transplant unit, which is where Tylenol poisoned patients land...

The whole idea is to make drugs like vicodin toxic in high doses and lethal IV.
These are called "Compounded" drugs.
They have a maximum dose, over which it becomes toxic.
Drugs like oxycontin have no maximum dose (if you are adequately physically tolerant to opiate drugs) It's like similar to the practice of adding an adulterant (e.g.
isopropanol, methyl ethyl ketone, methanol, etc ) to ethanol to make it undrinkable.
In addition to Tylenol, atropine and aspirin are used as adulterants.
The theory is that they will have less value to opiate addicts and it works.
Compounded drugs are worth less on the street than uncompounded drugs.
Almost Invariably, people who OD (not counting suicide attempts)  on the Tylenol portion of a compounded drugs are abusing it.
Furthermore, they are usually malnourished alcoholics who already have underlying liver disease...

Last of all, most people aren't as susceptible to Tylenol toxicity as the people who get into trouble.
I've seen quite a few addicts who were downing 40 pills a day of percocet or vicodin, with no ill effects.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Not Banning Acetaminophen-Based Pain Killers</title>
	<author>Fieryphoenix</author>
	<datestamp>1246562460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>They are not. They are considering banning combination drugs that include acetaminophen, because there have been fatal overdoses when people additionally took acetaminophen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are not .
They are considering banning combination drugs that include acetaminophen , because there have been fatal overdoses when people additionally took acetaminophen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are not.
They are considering banning combination drugs that include acetaminophen, because there have been fatal overdoses when people additionally took acetaminophen.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:how about Glypizide?</title>
	<author>Josh Coalson</author>
	<datestamp>1246537920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And don't point out that some people aren't smart enough to understand, either, because it's the people who are smart enough to "know better" that are the problem. The "left side of the bell curve" is more likely to do what they're told because they understand that they don't know better.</p></div><p>
that is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger\_effect" title="wikipedia.org">absolutely backward</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And do n't point out that some people are n't smart enough to understand , either , because it 's the people who are smart enough to " know better " that are the problem .
The " left side of the bell curve " is more likely to do what they 're told because they understand that they do n't know better .
that is absolutely backward [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And don't point out that some people aren't smart enough to understand, either, because it's the people who are smart enough to "know better" that are the problem.
The "left side of the bell curve" is more likely to do what they're told because they understand that they don't know better.
that is absolutely backward [wikipedia.org].
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	<title>Re:Include the antidote !</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246567080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was methionine, and I think you can buy combo tabs in Australia, but they're obviously more expensive. With a 16 tablet generic box (16 x 500mg, which is the limit you can buy straight off the shelf in the UK) costing about 36p, noone deliberately wanted to spend a few quid extra just in case they accidentally overdosed themselves.</p><p>Incidentally, in the UK a dose of up to 4g (8 500mg tablets) in 24 hours is considered the limit, and a sensible quantity to take for good analgesia. Unless you have an extremely poor diet, or a massive alcohol intake, you are very unlikely to see problems with this dose.</p><p>Anaesthetic registrar</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was methionine , and I think you can buy combo tabs in Australia , but they 're obviously more expensive .
With a 16 tablet generic box ( 16 x 500mg , which is the limit you can buy straight off the shelf in the UK ) costing about 36p , noone deliberately wanted to spend a few quid extra just in case they accidentally overdosed themselves.Incidentally , in the UK a dose of up to 4g ( 8 500mg tablets ) in 24 hours is considered the limit , and a sensible quantity to take for good analgesia .
Unless you have an extremely poor diet , or a massive alcohol intake , you are very unlikely to see problems with this dose.Anaesthetic registrar</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was methionine, and I think you can buy combo tabs in Australia, but they're obviously more expensive.
With a 16 tablet generic box (16 x 500mg, which is the limit you can buy straight off the shelf in the UK) costing about 36p, noone deliberately wanted to spend a few quid extra just in case they accidentally overdosed themselves.Incidentally, in the UK a dose of up to 4g (8 500mg tablets) in 24 hours is considered the limit, and a sensible quantity to take for good analgesia.
Unless you have an extremely poor diet, or a massive alcohol intake, you are very unlikely to see problems with this dose.Anaesthetic registrar</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560019</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well considering you and I will be paying for the liver transplants (if Obama gets his way) of all these stupid people who can't understand the label on the bottle, yes I think a ban is not unreasonable.<br> <br>

About 50\% of the population has BELOW AVERAGE I.Q. - lower than 100.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well considering you and I will be paying for the liver transplants ( if Obama gets his way ) of all these stupid people who ca n't understand the label on the bottle , yes I think a ban is not unreasonable .
About 50 \ % of the population has BELOW AVERAGE I.Q .
- lower than 100 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well considering you and I will be paying for the liver transplants (if Obama gets his way) of all these stupid people who can't understand the label on the bottle, yes I think a ban is not unreasonable.
About 50\% of the population has BELOW AVERAGE I.Q.
- lower than 100.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563831</id>
	<title>Re:Citation Needed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246527060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>besides what the other post Tyler D. said, how would a user who happened to be illiterate and merely liked the sensation of using Vicodin possibly know that there was acetaminophen in there, and it is a falsehood that ingesting too much would make one vomit or discontinue use, people have overdosed on Tylenol just for relief from extreme pain such as backache or toothache.</p><p>No, the truth is that puritans are willing to endanger people's lives to enforce their morality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>besides what the other post Tyler D. said , how would a user who happened to be illiterate and merely liked the sensation of using Vicodin possibly know that there was acetaminophen in there , and it is a falsehood that ingesting too much would make one vomit or discontinue use , people have overdosed on Tylenol just for relief from extreme pain such as backache or toothache.No , the truth is that puritans are willing to endanger people 's lives to enforce their morality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>besides what the other post Tyler D. said, how would a user who happened to be illiterate and merely liked the sensation of using Vicodin possibly know that there was acetaminophen in there, and it is a falsehood that ingesting too much would make one vomit or discontinue use, people have overdosed on Tylenol just for relief from extreme pain such as backache or toothache.No, the truth is that puritans are willing to endanger people's lives to enforce their morality.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562453</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks, but it's too late for me.</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1246565940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Taking the maximum daily limit isn't dangerous.  It's when you take MORE than that that it's a problem.  Particularly if you do so habitually.</p><p>Unfortunately, if you're taking a maximum dose of vicodin or something else that contains acetaminophen, then you top it up with some Tylenol, you can get yourself in trouble.</p><p>I don't know about you, but my mother always told me not to go mixing medications willy nilly.  Seems like good advice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Taking the maximum daily limit is n't dangerous .
It 's when you take MORE than that that it 's a problem .
Particularly if you do so habitually.Unfortunately , if you 're taking a maximum dose of vicodin or something else that contains acetaminophen , then you top it up with some Tylenol , you can get yourself in trouble.I do n't know about you , but my mother always told me not to go mixing medications willy nilly .
Seems like good advice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taking the maximum daily limit isn't dangerous.
It's when you take MORE than that that it's a problem.
Particularly if you do so habitually.Unfortunately, if you're taking a maximum dose of vicodin or something else that contains acetaminophen, then you top it up with some Tylenol, you can get yourself in trouble.I don't know about you, but my mother always told me not to go mixing medications willy nilly.
Seems like good advice.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561301</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>mr100percent</author>
	<datestamp>1246562040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The GP post is right, prescription medications like Vicodin and Percocet often have that warning on pharmacy bottles. Many states require the doctor to put the maximum day's dosage on the prescription, and pharmacists are supposed to warn patients "No more than 8 in 24 hours" etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The GP post is right , prescription medications like Vicodin and Percocet often have that warning on pharmacy bottles .
Many states require the doctor to put the maximum day 's dosage on the prescription , and pharmacists are supposed to warn patients " No more than 8 in 24 hours " etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The GP post is right, prescription medications like Vicodin and Percocet often have that warning on pharmacy bottles.
Many states require the doctor to put the maximum day's dosage on the prescription, and pharmacists are supposed to warn patients "No more than 8 in 24 hours" etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560593</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>phizix</author>
	<datestamp>1246559940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My prescription is 7.5mg hydrocodone, 500mg acetaminophen (standard - though there are a few variations on the amount of hydrocodone). The FDA has enforced that amount of acetaminophen, for two reasons. Hydrocodone is relatively addictive, and acetaminophen often induces a huge amount of nausea.</p></div><p>Generally, it is the narcotic <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcotic" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">causing the nausea</a> [wikipedia.org], not the acetaminophen.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My prescription is 7.5mg hydrocodone , 500mg acetaminophen ( standard - though there are a few variations on the amount of hydrocodone ) .
The FDA has enforced that amount of acetaminophen , for two reasons .
Hydrocodone is relatively addictive , and acetaminophen often induces a huge amount of nausea.Generally , it is the narcotic causing the nausea [ wikipedia.org ] , not the acetaminophen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My prescription is 7.5mg hydrocodone, 500mg acetaminophen (standard - though there are a few variations on the amount of hydrocodone).
The FDA has enforced that amount of acetaminophen, for two reasons.
Hydrocodone is relatively addictive, and acetaminophen often induces a huge amount of nausea.Generally, it is the narcotic causing the nausea [wikipedia.org], not the acetaminophen.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562489</id>
	<title>How about doctor administered only</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1246566060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about doctor administered only, instead of just COMPLETELY illegal.<br>If i take about 5000mg of caffeine all at once, wont that damage my liver too, then maybe we should illegalise caffeine too?<br>If people are stupid with drugs, then that is their fault, in Europe, you have weed which is legal, why are we still in this neo-nazi community where they have to wait to the last possible moment before legalizing something (ie - alcohol) before they realize once legal, then people will be more responsible with dosage, as they will have to become more informed!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about doctor administered only , instead of just COMPLETELY illegal.If i take about 5000mg of caffeine all at once , wont that damage my liver too , then maybe we should illegalise caffeine too ? If people are stupid with drugs , then that is their fault , in Europe , you have weed which is legal , why are we still in this neo-nazi community where they have to wait to the last possible moment before legalizing something ( ie - alcohol ) before they realize once legal , then people will be more responsible with dosage , as they will have to become more informed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about doctor administered only, instead of just COMPLETELY illegal.If i take about 5000mg of caffeine all at once, wont that damage my liver too, then maybe we should illegalise caffeine too?If people are stupid with drugs, then that is their fault, in Europe, you have weed which is legal, why are we still in this neo-nazi community where they have to wait to the last possible moment before legalizing something (ie - alcohol) before they realize once legal, then people will be more responsible with dosage, as they will have to become more informed!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28568609</id>
	<title>Addictive Tylenol</title>
	<author>OrigamiMarie</author>
	<datestamp>1246559700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's one thing not mentioned in the summary that is really important.  Only part of the problem is the added-up doses.  The other part of the problem is that many of these drugs that have acetaminophen in them also have components that are highly addictive.  So now you have people who are addicted to drugs with acetaminophen in them (Tylenol alone is not especially addictive), and they take larger and larger doses of the pills to get the same effect.  Meanwhile, they're getting higher doses of acetaminophen.  Plus, even if you don't up the dose over time, you are still likely to stay on the drug, which means lifetime consistent use of acetaminophen -- until your liver wears out.  If you're going to get addicted to a drug, you should pick just one.  Don't get addicted to a combination, it's likely to have un-researched problems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's one thing not mentioned in the summary that is really important .
Only part of the problem is the added-up doses .
The other part of the problem is that many of these drugs that have acetaminophen in them also have components that are highly addictive .
So now you have people who are addicted to drugs with acetaminophen in them ( Tylenol alone is not especially addictive ) , and they take larger and larger doses of the pills to get the same effect .
Meanwhile , they 're getting higher doses of acetaminophen .
Plus , even if you do n't up the dose over time , you are still likely to stay on the drug , which means lifetime consistent use of acetaminophen -- until your liver wears out .
If you 're going to get addicted to a drug , you should pick just one .
Do n't get addicted to a combination , it 's likely to have un-researched problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's one thing not mentioned in the summary that is really important.
Only part of the problem is the added-up doses.
The other part of the problem is that many of these drugs that have acetaminophen in them also have components that are highly addictive.
So now you have people who are addicted to drugs with acetaminophen in them (Tylenol alone is not especially addictive), and they take larger and larger doses of the pills to get the same effect.
Meanwhile, they're getting higher doses of acetaminophen.
Plus, even if you don't up the dose over time, you are still likely to stay on the drug, which means lifetime consistent use of acetaminophen -- until your liver wears out.
If you're going to get addicted to a drug, you should pick just one.
Don't get addicted to a combination, it's likely to have un-researched problems.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28576971</id>
	<title>Re:Tylenol</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246633080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do not have Lupus, but my liver has failed with no good prognosis.  I totally believe this as my life didn't include alcohol or hepititas.<br>I do this anonymously as it is too late for me, but it might help someone else.  Believe It!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do not have Lupus , but my liver has failed with no good prognosis .
I totally believe this as my life did n't include alcohol or hepititas.I do this anonymously as it is too late for me , but it might help someone else .
Believe It ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do not have Lupus, but my liver has failed with no good prognosis.
I totally believe this as my life didn't include alcohol or hepititas.I do this anonymously as it is too late for me, but it might help someone else.
Believe It!!!!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563167</id>
	<title>Re:TWO grams?!</title>
	<author>Maestro4k</author>
	<datestamp>1246568040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who could take two grams of acetaminophen?!? My god, that is a lot of stuff! While we're at it, let's ban water, because if you drink like 1/4 gallon or more at one time, you could die!</p></div><p>It's easier than you'd think with prescription pain meds like Vicodin (aka hydrocodone/acetaminophen).  I've had that prescribed for the 5/500 version to take 1-2 pills every 4-6 hours as needed for pain.  If you take 2 pills every 6 hours, you're taking 1 gram of acetaminophen every 6 hours.  If you take just 1 pill every 4 hours, you'd be taking 3 grams of  acetaminophen daily. <em>So you can easily take 3-4 grams total in one day, just taking it as prescribed</em>.  In my experience hydrocodone meds nearly always have much more acetaminophen in them than oxycodone ones do.  But oxycodone is apparently more addictive than hydrocodone so doctors don't like to prescribe it. At a minimum the FDA should do something to limit the amount of acetaminophen allowed in combination pills, to avoid cases where taking the medication as prescribed could damage your liver.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who could take two grams of acetaminophen ? ! ?
My god , that is a lot of stuff !
While we 're at it , let 's ban water , because if you drink like 1/4 gallon or more at one time , you could die ! It 's easier than you 'd think with prescription pain meds like Vicodin ( aka hydrocodone/acetaminophen ) .
I 've had that prescribed for the 5/500 version to take 1-2 pills every 4-6 hours as needed for pain .
If you take 2 pills every 6 hours , you 're taking 1 gram of acetaminophen every 6 hours .
If you take just 1 pill every 4 hours , you 'd be taking 3 grams of acetaminophen daily .
So you can easily take 3-4 grams total in one day , just taking it as prescribed .
In my experience hydrocodone meds nearly always have much more acetaminophen in them than oxycodone ones do .
But oxycodone is apparently more addictive than hydrocodone so doctors do n't like to prescribe it .
At a minimum the FDA should do something to limit the amount of acetaminophen allowed in combination pills , to avoid cases where taking the medication as prescribed could damage your liver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who could take two grams of acetaminophen?!?
My god, that is a lot of stuff!
While we're at it, let's ban water, because if you drink like 1/4 gallon or more at one time, you could die!It's easier than you'd think with prescription pain meds like Vicodin (aka hydrocodone/acetaminophen).
I've had that prescribed for the 5/500 version to take 1-2 pills every 4-6 hours as needed for pain.
If you take 2 pills every 6 hours, you're taking 1 gram of acetaminophen every 6 hours.
If you take just 1 pill every 4 hours, you'd be taking 3 grams of  acetaminophen daily.
So you can easily take 3-4 grams total in one day, just taking it as prescribed.
In my experience hydrocodone meds nearly always have much more acetaminophen in them than oxycodone ones do.
But oxycodone is apparently more addictive than hydrocodone so doctors don't like to prescribe it.
At a minimum the FDA should do something to limit the amount of acetaminophen allowed in combination pills, to avoid cases where taking the medication as prescribed could damage your liver.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559843</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Before everyone screams bloody murder, the fact remains that you'll still be able to buy the stuff, separately</p></div></blockquote><p>Thank God! --- R. Limbaugh</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Before everyone screams bloody murder , the fact remains that you 'll still be able to buy the stuff , separatelyThank God !
--- R. Limbaugh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before everyone screams bloody murder, the fact remains that you'll still be able to buy the stuff, separatelyThank God!
--- R. Limbaugh
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28581133</id>
	<title>Re:Only because of stupid people.</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1246731120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The print is so tiny that I doubt very much older people can read it at all. Add to that the warning overload factor. A zillion damned obvious warning labels like don't blow dry your hair in the shower, don't eat hemorrhoid creme, don't drink rubbing alcohol, etc have trained people that there's no useful information to be found by reading the label.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The print is so tiny that I doubt very much older people can read it at all .
Add to that the warning overload factor .
A zillion damned obvious warning labels like do n't blow dry your hair in the shower , do n't eat hemorrhoid creme , do n't drink rubbing alcohol , etc have trained people that there 's no useful information to be found by reading the label .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The print is so tiny that I doubt very much older people can read it at all.
Add to that the warning overload factor.
A zillion damned obvious warning labels like don't blow dry your hair in the shower, don't eat hemorrhoid creme, don't drink rubbing alcohol, etc have trained people that there's no useful information to be found by reading the label.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559959</id>
	<title>Re:more pointless prohibition</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And you would still have gotten the drugs combo as two pills instead of one percocet.  It's the combo that increases the risk of OD'ing on the acetaminophen, since it's so common.  Basically making people know they're taking it by always requiring it's in a separate pill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And you would still have gotten the drugs combo as two pills instead of one percocet .
It 's the combo that increases the risk of OD'ing on the acetaminophen , since it 's so common .
Basically making people know they 're taking it by always requiring it 's in a separate pill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And you would still have gotten the drugs combo as two pills instead of one percocet.
It's the combo that increases the risk of OD'ing on the acetaminophen, since it's so common.
Basically making people know they're taking it by always requiring it's in a separate pill.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28569185</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1246654020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Hydrocodone is relatively addictive, and acetaminophen often induces a huge amount of nausea. </i> <p>

Nausea is a side effect of the hydrocodone (and other opiates). It has absofrickinlutely nothing to do with acetaminophen.</p><p>

<i>That is solely a side effect of the acetaminophen.</i> </p><p>

No. It's a typical side effect of opiates. Whoever told you otherwise is lying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hydrocodone is relatively addictive , and acetaminophen often induces a huge amount of nausea .
Nausea is a side effect of the hydrocodone ( and other opiates ) .
It has absofrickinlutely nothing to do with acetaminophen .
That is solely a side effect of the acetaminophen .
No. It 's a typical side effect of opiates .
Whoever told you otherwise is lying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hydrocodone is relatively addictive, and acetaminophen often induces a huge amount of nausea.
Nausea is a side effect of the hydrocodone (and other opiates).
It has absofrickinlutely nothing to do with acetaminophen.
That is solely a side effect of the acetaminophen.
No. It's a typical side effect of opiates.
Whoever told you otherwise is lying.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562259</id>
	<title>Re:So wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246565400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who are these "druggies" you speak of? You think there is a nice clear cut line between "druggies" and people with a legitimate and legal prescription in the real world? Do you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who are these " druggies " you speak of ?
You think there is a nice clear cut line between " druggies " and people with a legitimate and legal prescription in the real world ?
Do you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who are these "druggies" you speak of?
You think there is a nice clear cut line between "druggies" and people with a legitimate and legal prescription in the real world?
Do you have even the slightest idea of what you are talking about?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561841</id>
	<title>How long???</title>
	<author>Lord Jester</author>
	<datestamp>1246563900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they successfully put through this ban, how long until they ban acetaminophen outright?  Like another responder said, it won't prevent the mixing of acetaminophen with codeine based medications to get the same effect.</p><p>As it is now, acetaminophen is one of the few OTC analgesics that are in the mainstream.  You have aspirin, acetaminophen, ibupophin and naproxen.  Doctors are shying away from naproxen as there are poswible detrimental side-effects, ibuprophin has had its share of kidney related complications, etc, etc.</p><p>Me, I can say there were times that between vicodin and extrastrength tylenol, I probably took as much as 6000mg a day of acetaminophen.  I used to take 3 or 4 500mg caplets at a time.  Last I checked, I am not dead.  I have enough medical issues that I have had a lot of blood work done over the years and never once was there a concern over my liver.  Granted, I no longer do that.  I choose to live with my pain rather than live under a drug induced mask.</p><p>I am not saying there are not risks, but at some point we need to be allowed the opportunity to decide for ourselves.  These law, bazns, regulations, etc, often do nothing more than inconvenience the intelligent and/or law abiding citizens of the planet.</p><p>Everything out there has the ability to bring harm to us.  That is why we develop common sense.  Those who don't may find themselves the brunt of a Darwin Award.  Take, for example, <a href="http://www.dhmo.org/" title="dhmo.org" rel="nofollow">Dihyderogen Monoxide</a> [dhmo.org], it can be very deadly if you do not use common sense when around it.  But when use/handled correctly, there is nothing wrong with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they successfully put through this ban , how long until they ban acetaminophen outright ?
Like another responder said , it wo n't prevent the mixing of acetaminophen with codeine based medications to get the same effect.As it is now , acetaminophen is one of the few OTC analgesics that are in the mainstream .
You have aspirin , acetaminophen , ibupophin and naproxen .
Doctors are shying away from naproxen as there are poswible detrimental side-effects , ibuprophin has had its share of kidney related complications , etc , etc.Me , I can say there were times that between vicodin and extrastrength tylenol , I probably took as much as 6000mg a day of acetaminophen .
I used to take 3 or 4 500mg caplets at a time .
Last I checked , I am not dead .
I have enough medical issues that I have had a lot of blood work done over the years and never once was there a concern over my liver .
Granted , I no longer do that .
I choose to live with my pain rather than live under a drug induced mask.I am not saying there are not risks , but at some point we need to be allowed the opportunity to decide for ourselves .
These law , bazns , regulations , etc , often do nothing more than inconvenience the intelligent and/or law abiding citizens of the planet.Everything out there has the ability to bring harm to us .
That is why we develop common sense .
Those who do n't may find themselves the brunt of a Darwin Award .
Take , for example , Dihyderogen Monoxide [ dhmo.org ] , it can be very deadly if you do not use common sense when around it .
But when use/handled correctly , there is nothing wrong with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they successfully put through this ban, how long until they ban acetaminophen outright?
Like another responder said, it won't prevent the mixing of acetaminophen with codeine based medications to get the same effect.As it is now, acetaminophen is one of the few OTC analgesics that are in the mainstream.
You have aspirin, acetaminophen, ibupophin and naproxen.
Doctors are shying away from naproxen as there are poswible detrimental side-effects, ibuprophin has had its share of kidney related complications, etc, etc.Me, I can say there were times that between vicodin and extrastrength tylenol, I probably took as much as 6000mg a day of acetaminophen.
I used to take 3 or 4 500mg caplets at a time.
Last I checked, I am not dead.
I have enough medical issues that I have had a lot of blood work done over the years and never once was there a concern over my liver.
Granted, I no longer do that.
I choose to live with my pain rather than live under a drug induced mask.I am not saying there are not risks, but at some point we need to be allowed the opportunity to decide for ourselves.
These law, bazns, regulations, etc, often do nothing more than inconvenience the intelligent and/or law abiding citizens of the planet.Everything out there has the ability to bring harm to us.
That is why we develop common sense.
Those who don't may find themselves the brunt of a Darwin Award.
Take, for example, Dihyderogen Monoxide [dhmo.org], it can be very deadly if you do not use common sense when around it.
But when use/handled correctly, there is nothing wrong with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562587</id>
	<title>So what are pregnant women supposed to use?</title>
	<author>crmarvin42</author>
	<datestamp>1246566300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My wife is pregnant, and the only over the counter pain medication approved for use in pregnant women is Acetaminophen.<br> <br>Just because a bunch of idiots are abusing the medications doesn't mean that the rest of us who are not morons should be denied its use.  Most of the medications they've listed are prescription drugs that should only be used while under a physicians order.  If they need to change the prescribig rules that's fine, but taking the drugs away completely is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife is pregnant , and the only over the counter pain medication approved for use in pregnant women is Acetaminophen .
Just because a bunch of idiots are abusing the medications does n't mean that the rest of us who are not morons should be denied its use .
Most of the medications they 've listed are prescription drugs that should only be used while under a physicians order .
If they need to change the prescribig rules that 's fine , but taking the drugs away completely is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife is pregnant, and the only over the counter pain medication approved for use in pregnant women is Acetaminophen.
Just because a bunch of idiots are abusing the medications doesn't mean that the rest of us who are not morons should be denied its use.
Most of the medications they've listed are prescription drugs that should only be used while under a physicians order.
If they need to change the prescribig rules that's fine, but taking the drugs away completely is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563529</id>
	<title>Isn't that the point?</title>
	<author>bkaul</author>
	<datestamp>1246525980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yes, let's protect people from their own stupidity.</p></div><p>I agree in principle with your opposition to a nanny state. But isn't the the whole reason the FDA mandates that some drugs be available by prescription only to protect them from their own stupidity?  Considering that these drugs are already only available by prescription, I'm not sure I see the point in further restrictions, since they can be safely used as directed, but<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , let 's protect people from their own stupidity.I agree in principle with your opposition to a nanny state .
But is n't the the whole reason the FDA mandates that some drugs be available by prescription only to protect them from their own stupidity ?
Considering that these drugs are already only available by prescription , I 'm not sure I see the point in further restrictions , since they can be safely used as directed , but .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, let's protect people from their own stupidity.I agree in principle with your opposition to a nanny state.
But isn't the the whole reason the FDA mandates that some drugs be available by prescription only to protect them from their own stupidity?
Considering that these drugs are already only available by prescription, I'm not sure I see the point in further restrictions, since they can be safely used as directed, but ...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559893</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28568377</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246556340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK let me get this straight.<br>Guns kill people, but they are OK and not banned.<br>Paracetamol may cause liver problems, but they are banned.</p><p>The USA is all f\%$cked up!!!!!  They need to sort out priorities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK let me get this straight.Guns kill people , but they are OK and not banned.Paracetamol may cause liver problems , but they are banned.The USA is all f \ % $ cked up ! ! ! ! !
They need to sort out priorities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK let me get this straight.Guns kill people, but they are OK and not banned.Paracetamol may cause liver problems, but they are banned.The USA is all f\%$cked up!!!!!
They need to sort out priorities.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28564151</id>
	<title>Ban cars</title>
	<author>L0rdJedi</author>
	<datestamp>1246528320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>43,000 people die each year in car accidents.  Let's get rid of those while we're at it.</p><p>We should also ban all forms of drinking and driving, not just up to a certain limit.  140,000 people die that way every year.</p><p>Seriously, why don't we just ban anything and everything that causes people to die.  2x4s, windows, sidewalks and streets (deceleration trauma<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>43,000 people die each year in car accidents .
Let 's get rid of those while we 're at it.We should also ban all forms of drinking and driving , not just up to a certain limit .
140,000 people die that way every year.Seriously , why do n't we just ban anything and everything that causes people to die .
2x4s , windows , sidewalks and streets ( deceleration trauma : P ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>43,000 people die each year in car accidents.
Let's get rid of those while we're at it.We should also ban all forms of drinking and driving, not just up to a certain limit.
140,000 people die that way every year.Seriously, why don't we just ban anything and everything that causes people to die.
2x4s, windows, sidewalks and streets (deceleration trauma :P).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560405</id>
	<title>To put it another way...</title>
	<author>Alzheimers</author>
	<datestamp>1246559340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can also drown in just three inches of water.</p><p>OH MY GOD, BAN WATER!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can also drown in just three inches of water.OH MY GOD , BAN WATER !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can also drown in just three inches of water.OH MY GOD, BAN WATER!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562415</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Demonantis</author>
	<datestamp>1246565820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That would be great if acetaminophen didn't damage your liver while you take it. If the drug companies are only putting it in for that reason then they should easily find a substitute. As well, they don't clearly label the packaging. Maybe if the medical ingredients were displayed clearly on the front of the bottle this would not be as bad an issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be great if acetaminophen did n't damage your liver while you take it .
If the drug companies are only putting it in for that reason then they should easily find a substitute .
As well , they do n't clearly label the packaging .
Maybe if the medical ingredients were displayed clearly on the front of the bottle this would not be as bad an issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be great if acetaminophen didn't damage your liver while you take it.
If the drug companies are only putting it in for that reason then they should easily find a substitute.
As well, they don't clearly label the packaging.
Maybe if the medical ingredients were displayed clearly on the front of the bottle this would not be as bad an issue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560039</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561127</id>
	<title>any patents/contracts running out soon?</title>
	<author>a2wflc</author>
	<datestamp>1246561440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any time I see a "new &amp; improved" version of a drug or an FDA ban, the first thing I think is that a patent is running out on the old version and something has to be done to keep generics from competing.</p><p>I think the most recent I remember is Lamictal.  The "new and improved" version did everything the old one did plus DISOLVE ON THE TONGUE or something silly like that (also, it's patent is not expired so anyone who wants the "better" version doesn't get a generic option)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any time I see a " new &amp; improved " version of a drug or an FDA ban , the first thing I think is that a patent is running out on the old version and something has to be done to keep generics from competing.I think the most recent I remember is Lamictal .
The " new and improved " version did everything the old one did plus DISOLVE ON THE TONGUE or something silly like that ( also , it 's patent is not expired so anyone who wants the " better " version does n't get a generic option )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any time I see a "new &amp; improved" version of a drug or an FDA ban, the first thing I think is that a patent is running out on the old version and something has to be done to keep generics from competing.I think the most recent I remember is Lamictal.
The "new and improved" version did everything the old one did plus DISOLVE ON THE TONGUE or something silly like that (also, it's patent is not expired so anyone who wants the "better" version doesn't get a generic option)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561539</id>
	<title>Allergic to acetaminophen</title>
	<author>wift</author>
	<datestamp>1246562880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is good for me as I'm allergic to acetaminophen.  It could kill me so I'd have to make sure I didn't get any.  My dentist who was made aware of my allergy unwittingly prescribed Hydrocodone to me, my pharmacy missed it and luckily my wife knew Hydrocodone contained acetaminophen otherwise I wouldn't be typing this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is good for me as I 'm allergic to acetaminophen .
It could kill me so I 'd have to make sure I did n't get any .
My dentist who was made aware of my allergy unwittingly prescribed Hydrocodone to me , my pharmacy missed it and luckily my wife knew Hydrocodone contained acetaminophen otherwise I would n't be typing this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is good for me as I'm allergic to acetaminophen.
It could kill me so I'd have to make sure I didn't get any.
My dentist who was made aware of my allergy unwittingly prescribed Hydrocodone to me, my pharmacy missed it and luckily my wife knew Hydrocodone contained acetaminophen otherwise I wouldn't be typing this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559799</id>
	<title>more pointless prohibition</title>
	<author>Utini420</author>
	<datestamp>1246557720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who was prescribed Percocet after reconstructive surgery (my arm is full of plates and pins) the effect they might have on my liver was the furthest thing from my mind.  Even had I known of this risk, I'd have not been at all hesitant about the drug.</p><p>Its also pretty hard to read that list and not assume the FDA is banning some of the more commonly abused pharmacuticals.  Because, ya know, prohibition is totally what people want from their government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who was prescribed Percocet after reconstructive surgery ( my arm is full of plates and pins ) the effect they might have on my liver was the furthest thing from my mind .
Even had I known of this risk , I 'd have not been at all hesitant about the drug.Its also pretty hard to read that list and not assume the FDA is banning some of the more commonly abused pharmacuticals .
Because , ya know , prohibition is totally what people want from their government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who was prescribed Percocet after reconstructive surgery (my arm is full of plates and pins) the effect they might have on my liver was the furthest thing from my mind.
Even had I known of this risk, I'd have not been at all hesitant about the drug.Its also pretty hard to read that list and not assume the FDA is banning some of the more commonly abused pharmacuticals.
Because, ya know, prohibition is totally what people want from their government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560711</id>
	<title>Childproof caps</title>
	<author>MillionthMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1246560240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Anyone taking medicine should know they have to check for drug interactions and overdoses. The medical industry has been harping about it for years. If the product they offer is safe when following the directions, then it's not their problem if people do stupid things with it.</p></div><p>Childproof caps piss me off too. *I* have to push down when I turn them, just because YOU can't control your kid. Kids have gotten stupider since we've gotten childproof caps. The ones who don't read anything on the bottle like drug interactions / overdoses / cap removal instructions are still living long enough to reproduce.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone taking medicine should know they have to check for drug interactions and overdoses .
The medical industry has been harping about it for years .
If the product they offer is safe when following the directions , then it 's not their problem if people do stupid things with it.Childproof caps piss me off too .
* I * have to push down when I turn them , just because YOU ca n't control your kid .
Kids have gotten stupider since we 've gotten childproof caps .
The ones who do n't read anything on the bottle like drug interactions / overdoses / cap removal instructions are still living long enough to reproduce .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone taking medicine should know they have to check for drug interactions and overdoses.
The medical industry has been harping about it for years.
If the product they offer is safe when following the directions, then it's not their problem if people do stupid things with it.Childproof caps piss me off too.
*I* have to push down when I turn them, just because YOU can't control your kid.
Kids have gotten stupider since we've gotten childproof caps.
The ones who don't read anything on the bottle like drug interactions / overdoses / cap removal instructions are still living long enough to reproduce.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559893</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559729</id>
	<title>House, MD</title>
	<author>exes</author>
	<datestamp>1246557540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So does House still have a working liver at this point?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So does House still have a working liver at this point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So does House still have a working liver at this point?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559795</id>
	<title>Re:Vicodin?</title>
	<author>GameMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1246557720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yea, I've heard the damn vampire are tough to stomach in Santa Monica.  The last thing they need is Werewolves too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea , I 've heard the damn vampire are tough to stomach in Santa Monica .
The last thing they need is Werewolves too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea, I've heard the damn vampire are tough to stomach in Santa Monica.
The last thing they need is Werewolves too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559725</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28565913</id>
	<title>if you could see me</title>
	<author>bugs2squash</author>
	<datestamp>1246536840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You would see an overweight guy. Pushing 250 pounds.</p><p>I wish there was some easy way to tell if I am getting the right dose of common OTC drugs. I suspect that the safe dose for me for Acetaminophen is pretty much the same as it is for anyone else. But is it the same for other drugs, like Loratadine or Ibuprofen or Naproxen ? The FDA should publish better information as well as the black box warnings.</p><p> presumably the dose is calculated based on some "average human" but there must be some smaller people that are ODing without knowing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You would see an overweight guy .
Pushing 250 pounds.I wish there was some easy way to tell if I am getting the right dose of common OTC drugs .
I suspect that the safe dose for me for Acetaminophen is pretty much the same as it is for anyone else .
But is it the same for other drugs , like Loratadine or Ibuprofen or Naproxen ?
The FDA should publish better information as well as the black box warnings .
presumably the dose is calculated based on some " average human " but there must be some smaller people that are ODing without knowing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would see an overweight guy.
Pushing 250 pounds.I wish there was some easy way to tell if I am getting the right dose of common OTC drugs.
I suspect that the safe dose for me for Acetaminophen is pretty much the same as it is for anyone else.
But is it the same for other drugs, like Loratadine or Ibuprofen or Naproxen ?
The FDA should publish better information as well as the black box warnings.
presumably the dose is calculated based on some "average human" but there must be some smaller people that are ODing without knowing it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28566875</id>
	<title>Makes perfect sense!</title>
	<author>koreaman</author>
	<datestamp>1246542840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Acetaminophen is much more dangerous than weed, and weed is illegal. At least the Powers that Be seem to be aiming for consistency!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Acetaminophen is much more dangerous than weed , and weed is illegal .
At least the Powers that Be seem to be aiming for consistency !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Acetaminophen is much more dangerous than weed, and weed is illegal.
At least the Powers that Be seem to be aiming for consistency!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562589</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28571147</id>
	<title>Don't even \_think\_ of a Tylenol suicide</title>
	<author>smchris</author>
	<datestamp>1246632900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember one from when I was working at a research hospital.  Takes a while to die without a functioning liver.  Expect residents to pop in on you to take a look at the "dumb shit."  Probably not what you had in mind?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember one from when I was working at a research hospital .
Takes a while to die without a functioning liver .
Expect residents to pop in on you to take a look at the " dumb shit .
" Probably not what you had in mind ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember one from when I was working at a research hospital.
Takes a while to die without a functioning liver.
Expect residents to pop in on you to take a look at the "dumb shit.
"  Probably not what you had in mind?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28566861</id>
	<title>Think of the children?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246542720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, so aspirin and some of the NSAIDs are not for kid fever use because it increases the risk of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reye's\_syndrome" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Reye's syndrome</a> [wikipedia.org]. Now we have a push to ban paracetamol because (not surprising at least for me, looking at the chemical structure) it fscks the liver up (and also why I always advice people to never take acetaminophen for a hangover). So, what of kid's fevers now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , so aspirin and some of the NSAIDs are not for kid fever use because it increases the risk of Reye 's syndrome [ wikipedia.org ] .
Now we have a push to ban paracetamol because ( not surprising at least for me , looking at the chemical structure ) it fscks the liver up ( and also why I always advice people to never take acetaminophen for a hangover ) .
So , what of kid 's fevers now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, so aspirin and some of the NSAIDs are not for kid fever use because it increases the risk of Reye's syndrome [wikipedia.org].
Now we have a push to ban paracetamol because (not surprising at least for me, looking at the chemical structure) it fscks the liver up (and also why I always advice people to never take acetaminophen for a hangover).
So, what of kid's fevers now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560339</id>
	<title>Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As those who prescribe narcotics already know, opioids when combined with acetaminophen are considered Schedule III where as those without (like oxycodone, oxycontin, morphine, dilaudid, etc.) are considered Schedule II.  Many physicians are uncomfortable with prescribing Schedule II medications.  Schedule II medications, as per the Controlled Substances Act are considered to have a higher abuse potential.  Prescriptions are limited to a 30 day supply and any refill (given 1 month at a time) requires a doctor's appointment.  Schedule III drugs such as Norco and Vicodin may be refilled up to five times within a six month period.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As those who prescribe narcotics already know , opioids when combined with acetaminophen are considered Schedule III where as those without ( like oxycodone , oxycontin , morphine , dilaudid , etc .
) are considered Schedule II .
Many physicians are uncomfortable with prescribing Schedule II medications .
Schedule II medications , as per the Controlled Substances Act are considered to have a higher abuse potential .
Prescriptions are limited to a 30 day supply and any refill ( given 1 month at a time ) requires a doctor 's appointment .
Schedule III drugs such as Norco and Vicodin may be refilled up to five times within a six month period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As those who prescribe narcotics already know, opioids when combined with acetaminophen are considered Schedule III where as those without (like oxycodone, oxycontin, morphine, dilaudid, etc.
) are considered Schedule II.
Many physicians are uncomfortable with prescribing Schedule II medications.
Schedule II medications, as per the Controlled Substances Act are considered to have a higher abuse potential.
Prescriptions are limited to a 30 day supply and any refill (given 1 month at a time) requires a doctor's appointment.
Schedule III drugs such as Norco and Vicodin may be refilled up to five times within a six month period.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559899</id>
	<title>I for one</title>
	<author>Icegryphon</author>
	<datestamp>1246557960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do not welcome our nannystate overlords.<br>
Seriously why do we have to keep legislating everything.<br>
Soon after Government run healthcare they are going to tell you want you can and can't eat.<br>
Hope you Enjoy cardboard for the rest of your life<br> <br> <br>
Elections have Consequences.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do not welcome our nannystate overlords .
Seriously why do we have to keep legislating everything .
Soon after Government run healthcare they are going to tell you want you can and ca n't eat .
Hope you Enjoy cardboard for the rest of your life Elections have Consequences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do not welcome our nannystate overlords.
Seriously why do we have to keep legislating everything.
Soon after Government run healthcare they are going to tell you want you can and can't eat.
Hope you Enjoy cardboard for the rest of your life  
Elections have Consequences.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28564103</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>L0rdJedi</author>
	<datestamp>1246528080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who doesn't have this problem, I say bad.  If you have a problem with a drug, inform your doctor before they write you a prescription.  That's why they ask you if you're allergic to anything.  This sounds like either an allergic reaction or something similar.  Simply tell them "Lortab and other vicodin variants are hard on my stomach, please don't give me that" and they probably won't.</p><p>Geez.  Take some fucking responsibility.  If it hurts to take it, don't take it.</p><p>I took vicodin for a major toothache because the ER gave it to me (dentist was closed).  I took another dose a day or two later and then another does about 4-6 hours after that one...on an empty stomach.  The final dose made me vomit about an hour after taking it (all the while feeling pretty dizzy).  I simply stopped taking Vicodin and stayed with Equate (generic Excedrin) and Tylenol until I got to the dentist.  The only reason I took the Lortab is because it had a different name and I didn't read the bottle (I did follow the dosage instructions).  Lortab seems to be a weaker form of Vicodin though since it didn't cause nearly the same feeling of being high that Vicodin did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who does n't have this problem , I say bad .
If you have a problem with a drug , inform your doctor before they write you a prescription .
That 's why they ask you if you 're allergic to anything .
This sounds like either an allergic reaction or something similar .
Simply tell them " Lortab and other vicodin variants are hard on my stomach , please do n't give me that " and they probably wo n't.Geez .
Take some fucking responsibility .
If it hurts to take it , do n't take it.I took vicodin for a major toothache because the ER gave it to me ( dentist was closed ) .
I took another dose a day or two later and then another does about 4-6 hours after that one...on an empty stomach .
The final dose made me vomit about an hour after taking it ( all the while feeling pretty dizzy ) .
I simply stopped taking Vicodin and stayed with Equate ( generic Excedrin ) and Tylenol until I got to the dentist .
The only reason I took the Lortab is because it had a different name and I did n't read the bottle ( I did follow the dosage instructions ) .
Lortab seems to be a weaker form of Vicodin though since it did n't cause nearly the same feeling of being high that Vicodin did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who doesn't have this problem, I say bad.
If you have a problem with a drug, inform your doctor before they write you a prescription.
That's why they ask you if you're allergic to anything.
This sounds like either an allergic reaction or something similar.
Simply tell them "Lortab and other vicodin variants are hard on my stomach, please don't give me that" and they probably won't.Geez.
Take some fucking responsibility.
If it hurts to take it, don't take it.I took vicodin for a major toothache because the ER gave it to me (dentist was closed).
I took another dose a day or two later and then another does about 4-6 hours after that one...on an empty stomach.
The final dose made me vomit about an hour after taking it (all the while feeling pretty dizzy).
I simply stopped taking Vicodin and stayed with Equate (generic Excedrin) and Tylenol until I got to the dentist.
The only reason I took the Lortab is because it had a different name and I didn't read the bottle (I did follow the dosage instructions).
Lortab seems to be a weaker form of Vicodin though since it didn't cause nearly the same feeling of being high that Vicodin did.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559885</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>ckthorp</author>
	<datestamp>1246557900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except the article clearly states that Vicodin is actual hydrocodone+acetaminophen...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except the article clearly states that Vicodin is actual hydrocodone + acetaminophen.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except the article clearly states that Vicodin is actual hydrocodone+acetaminophen...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560643</id>
	<title>Re:Hey this is good.</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1246560060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could alternately read the article, and find out that they're not banning acetaminophen at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could alternately read the article , and find out that they 're not banning acetaminophen at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could alternately read the article, and find out that they're not banning acetaminophen at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562007</id>
	<title>Re:As someone with a lortab prescription...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246564560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whilst I don't doubt that you react badly to it, nausea is not a common side effect of acetaminophen - as in, not common enough to be listed in the BNF (the UK prescribing guide) or any of the leaflets accompanying the packaged drug. This suggests it is exceptionally rare. On the other hand, oxycodone, as with all opiate type drugs does cause gastro-intestinal side effects, including nausea. Whilst its reasonable to suggest that the acetaminophen is added as a deterrent to recreational use, it isn't because of a nausea inducing action. This is one of the reasons it is dangerous - people can overdose without realising. With the big exception of overdosing, acetaminophen is a very safe drug. It has very few interactions with other drugs, including alcohol, unless you drink often enough to have pre-existing liver damage. As is sometimes commented, unless you overdose, the biggest danger you face is choking on the tablet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whilst I do n't doubt that you react badly to it , nausea is not a common side effect of acetaminophen - as in , not common enough to be listed in the BNF ( the UK prescribing guide ) or any of the leaflets accompanying the packaged drug .
This suggests it is exceptionally rare .
On the other hand , oxycodone , as with all opiate type drugs does cause gastro-intestinal side effects , including nausea .
Whilst its reasonable to suggest that the acetaminophen is added as a deterrent to recreational use , it is n't because of a nausea inducing action .
This is one of the reasons it is dangerous - people can overdose without realising .
With the big exception of overdosing , acetaminophen is a very safe drug .
It has very few interactions with other drugs , including alcohol , unless you drink often enough to have pre-existing liver damage .
As is sometimes commented , unless you overdose , the biggest danger you face is choking on the tablet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whilst I don't doubt that you react badly to it, nausea is not a common side effect of acetaminophen - as in, not common enough to be listed in the BNF (the UK prescribing guide) or any of the leaflets accompanying the packaged drug.
This suggests it is exceptionally rare.
On the other hand, oxycodone, as with all opiate type drugs does cause gastro-intestinal side effects, including nausea.
Whilst its reasonable to suggest that the acetaminophen is added as a deterrent to recreational use, it isn't because of a nausea inducing action.
This is one of the reasons it is dangerous - people can overdose without realising.
With the big exception of overdosing, acetaminophen is a very safe drug.
It has very few interactions with other drugs, including alcohol, unless you drink often enough to have pre-existing liver damage.
As is sometimes commented, unless you overdose, the biggest danger you face is choking on the tablet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28568479</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>my $anity  0</author>
	<datestamp>1246557720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My grandmother and mother are allergic to Aspirin and Ibuprofen. Paracetamol doesn't cause a reaction. It's not like you can't get Oxycodone/Aspirin, it's called Percodan.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My grandmother and mother are allergic to Aspirin and Ibuprofen .
Paracetamol does n't cause a reaction .
It 's not like you ca n't get Oxycodone/Aspirin , it 's called Percodan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My grandmother and mother are allergic to Aspirin and Ibuprofen.
Paracetamol doesn't cause a reaction.
It's not like you can't get Oxycodone/Aspirin, it's called Percodan.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28565245</id>
	<title>only banned</title>
	<author>bugs2squash</author>
	<datestamp>1246532940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>in teenager's underwear</htmltext>
<tokenext>in teenager 's underwear</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in teenager's underwear</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561191</id>
	<title>Missing the point</title>
	<author>frozentier</author>
	<datestamp>1246561740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think a lot of people are missing the point, here (not everyone, but many).  This isn't about banning acetaminophen at all.  NOBODY has even hinted that's it's being banned.  What may be banned are drugs that include acetaminophen, usually without the consumer's knowledge.  Take Vicoden for instance.  I had no clue it has acetaminophen in it.  There's the big problem.  I take OTC acetaminophen just like it says on the bottle, I also take 4 Vicoden, and I've went over the acetaminophen limit for the day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think a lot of people are missing the point , here ( not everyone , but many ) .
This is n't about banning acetaminophen at all .
NOBODY has even hinted that 's it 's being banned .
What may be banned are drugs that include acetaminophen , usually without the consumer 's knowledge .
Take Vicoden for instance .
I had no clue it has acetaminophen in it .
There 's the big problem .
I take OTC acetaminophen just like it says on the bottle , I also take 4 Vicoden , and I 've went over the acetaminophen limit for the day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think a lot of people are missing the point, here (not everyone, but many).
This isn't about banning acetaminophen at all.
NOBODY has even hinted that's it's being banned.
What may be banned are drugs that include acetaminophen, usually without the consumer's knowledge.
Take Vicoden for instance.
I had no clue it has acetaminophen in it.
There's the big problem.
I take OTC acetaminophen just like it says on the bottle, I also take 4 Vicoden, and I've went over the acetaminophen limit for the day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561229</id>
	<title>A TON of BIGGER issues here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246561800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So from a doctor's perspective I think there are a ton of bigger issues here.  First of all, one of the first submitters said that you will die after 3 days after a Tylenol overdose.  Not true.  You will have liver failure and then try to get a liver transplant and then die.</p><p>Second, I think that one of the major reasons they are wanting to pull these prescription drugs off the market is the abuse that they create.  I can give someone percocet and they will sell it on the street for quite a bit of money.  Also there is the opportunity to get oxycodone and the like (oxycotin, etc), but these are abuse even MORE.  Also we have had people die by taking too many oxycodone because it suppresses the respiratory drive and you just stop breathing... no oxygen to the brain = death.</p><p>Also you can take up to 40 mg/kg in one dose... For our "average" (not so average these days) 70kg male that means you can take 2100 mg.  But also the other maximum dosage that we go by in the emergency department is 4000 mg/day.</p><p>I think the REAL reason this is being brought up is more the addiction, overdose, and the like.  I can definitely tell you as a doctor that if percocet and vicodin are taken off the market, I will NOT be prescribing just oxycodone.  You'll get more of ultram and the like from me.  Probably a better solution and safer.  It would decrease the risks of such pain medications.</p><p>And on a final note, we have been seeing more and more people who have taken many percocets and have actually had hearing loss associated with it and needed cochlear implants.  Kind of a scary thought.  I would think that if the Tylenol is taken out that people would be taking more oxycodone then and obtain this hearing loss.</p><p>Anyway, that's all.  Please comment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So from a doctor 's perspective I think there are a ton of bigger issues here .
First of all , one of the first submitters said that you will die after 3 days after a Tylenol overdose .
Not true .
You will have liver failure and then try to get a liver transplant and then die.Second , I think that one of the major reasons they are wanting to pull these prescription drugs off the market is the abuse that they create .
I can give someone percocet and they will sell it on the street for quite a bit of money .
Also there is the opportunity to get oxycodone and the like ( oxycotin , etc ) , but these are abuse even MORE .
Also we have had people die by taking too many oxycodone because it suppresses the respiratory drive and you just stop breathing... no oxygen to the brain = death.Also you can take up to 40 mg/kg in one dose... For our " average " ( not so average these days ) 70kg male that means you can take 2100 mg. But also the other maximum dosage that we go by in the emergency department is 4000 mg/day.I think the REAL reason this is being brought up is more the addiction , overdose , and the like .
I can definitely tell you as a doctor that if percocet and vicodin are taken off the market , I will NOT be prescribing just oxycodone .
You 'll get more of ultram and the like from me .
Probably a better solution and safer .
It would decrease the risks of such pain medications.And on a final note , we have been seeing more and more people who have taken many percocets and have actually had hearing loss associated with it and needed cochlear implants .
Kind of a scary thought .
I would think that if the Tylenol is taken out that people would be taking more oxycodone then and obtain this hearing loss.Anyway , that 's all .
Please comment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So from a doctor's perspective I think there are a ton of bigger issues here.
First of all, one of the first submitters said that you will die after 3 days after a Tylenol overdose.
Not true.
You will have liver failure and then try to get a liver transplant and then die.Second, I think that one of the major reasons they are wanting to pull these prescription drugs off the market is the abuse that they create.
I can give someone percocet and they will sell it on the street for quite a bit of money.
Also there is the opportunity to get oxycodone and the like (oxycotin, etc), but these are abuse even MORE.
Also we have had people die by taking too many oxycodone because it suppresses the respiratory drive and you just stop breathing... no oxygen to the brain = death.Also you can take up to 40 mg/kg in one dose... For our "average" (not so average these days) 70kg male that means you can take 2100 mg.  But also the other maximum dosage that we go by in the emergency department is 4000 mg/day.I think the REAL reason this is being brought up is more the addiction, overdose, and the like.
I can definitely tell you as a doctor that if percocet and vicodin are taken off the market, I will NOT be prescribing just oxycodone.
You'll get more of ultram and the like from me.
Probably a better solution and safer.
It would decrease the risks of such pain medications.And on a final note, we have been seeing more and more people who have taken many percocets and have actually had hearing loss associated with it and needed cochlear implants.
Kind of a scary thought.
I would think that if the Tylenol is taken out that people would be taking more oxycodone then and obtain this hearing loss.Anyway, that's all.
Please comment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28560667</id>
	<title>Easy to OD on acetaminophen.  Need better labels.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246560120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This actually happened to me.  A few years back I had open heart surgery.  After spending a week in hospital, I was released with a big fat percocet prescription (having your sternum in 2 halves is remarkably painful).  I was told to "try" to get by on Tylenol, but to take the percocet if the pain was too much.  Funny thing about narcotics...it's pretty easy to forget how many and exactly WHEN you last took the medication.  In 3 days, I managed to completely shut down my liver by taking two percocets every 4-6 hours.  Back into hospital I went and it took about a week for my liver to "wake up."  It could have just as easily failed permanently and resulted in my eventual death.</p><p>The doctors and nurses who were responsible for prescribing the medication did a lot of finger pointing about WHO should have let me know about the risk of hepatic failure, but the end result was "you should have known better."  I'm a programmer, not a doctor...for fook sake.</p><p>Also, as someone else mentioned, it is remarkably easy to destroy your liver when you consume alcohol along with acetaminophen.  That should be a big bold warning on the label, not fine print.</p><p>Best,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This actually happened to me .
A few years back I had open heart surgery .
After spending a week in hospital , I was released with a big fat percocet prescription ( having your sternum in 2 halves is remarkably painful ) .
I was told to " try " to get by on Tylenol , but to take the percocet if the pain was too much .
Funny thing about narcotics...it 's pretty easy to forget how many and exactly WHEN you last took the medication .
In 3 days , I managed to completely shut down my liver by taking two percocets every 4-6 hours .
Back into hospital I went and it took about a week for my liver to " wake up .
" It could have just as easily failed permanently and resulted in my eventual death.The doctors and nurses who were responsible for prescribing the medication did a lot of finger pointing about WHO should have let me know about the risk of hepatic failure , but the end result was " you should have known better .
" I 'm a programmer , not a doctor...for fook sake.Also , as someone else mentioned , it is remarkably easy to destroy your liver when you consume alcohol along with acetaminophen .
That should be a big bold warning on the label , not fine print.Best,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This actually happened to me.
A few years back I had open heart surgery.
After spending a week in hospital, I was released with a big fat percocet prescription (having your sternum in 2 halves is remarkably painful).
I was told to "try" to get by on Tylenol, but to take the percocet if the pain was too much.
Funny thing about narcotics...it's pretty easy to forget how many and exactly WHEN you last took the medication.
In 3 days, I managed to completely shut down my liver by taking two percocets every 4-6 hours.
Back into hospital I went and it took about a week for my liver to "wake up.
"  It could have just as easily failed permanently and resulted in my eventual death.The doctors and nurses who were responsible for prescribing the medication did a lot of finger pointing about WHO should have let me know about the risk of hepatic failure, but the end result was "you should have known better.
"  I'm a programmer, not a doctor...for fook sake.Also, as someone else mentioned, it is remarkably easy to destroy your liver when you consume alcohol along with acetaminophen.
That should be a big bold warning on the label, not fine print.Best,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28567967</id>
	<title>Re:If You Drink Alcohol Avoid Acetaminophen</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1246552320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not sure why, but when I used to drink too much, nothing took the edge off of the hangover quite like Tylenol Extra Strength (well, except for maybe another drink)...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure why , but when I used to drink too much , nothing took the edge off of the hangover quite like Tylenol Extra Strength ( well , except for maybe another drink ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure why, but when I used to drink too much, nothing took the edge off of the hangover quite like Tylenol Extra Strength (well, except for maybe another drink)...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561555</id>
	<title>From a cancer patient's view</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246562940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've suffered from a chronic form of cancer for three + years now and I have a perscription for one of the "recommended to be banned meds."</p><p>This is insane. A few asshats abuse NyQuil (uncontrolled) and the FDA wants to pull all the carefully controlled meds from the market while leaving said NyQuil ON the shelf?!</p><p>People like myself are beyond outraged and I'm now drafting a letter to the FDA explaining that if these pain meds are taken off the market, all you're doing is making the people who truly need them suffer while allowing said asshats to abuse the same meds.</p><p>Remember how we in the USA kept making fun of the USSR's 'secret police' in the mid 80's? Why isn't anyone outraged that Russia and the US have swapped paranoia?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've suffered from a chronic form of cancer for three + years now and I have a perscription for one of the " recommended to be banned meds .
" This is insane .
A few asshats abuse NyQuil ( uncontrolled ) and the FDA wants to pull all the carefully controlled meds from the market while leaving said NyQuil ON the shelf ?
! People like myself are beyond outraged and I 'm now drafting a letter to the FDA explaining that if these pain meds are taken off the market , all you 're doing is making the people who truly need them suffer while allowing said asshats to abuse the same meds.Remember how we in the USA kept making fun of the USSR 's 'secret police ' in the mid 80 's ?
Why is n't anyone outraged that Russia and the US have swapped paranoia ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've suffered from a chronic form of cancer for three + years now and I have a perscription for one of the "recommended to be banned meds.
"This is insane.
A few asshats abuse NyQuil (uncontrolled) and the FDA wants to pull all the carefully controlled meds from the market while leaving said NyQuil ON the shelf?
!People like myself are beyond outraged and I'm now drafting a letter to the FDA explaining that if these pain meds are taken off the market, all you're doing is making the people who truly need them suffer while allowing said asshats to abuse the same meds.Remember how we in the USA kept making fun of the USSR's 'secret police' in the mid 80's?
Why isn't anyone outraged that Russia and the US have swapped paranoia?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28562273</id>
	<title>Re:So wait...</title>
	<author>geoffspear</author>
	<datestamp>1246565460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Considering the narcotic + acetaminophen mixtures have been on the market for far longer than the FDA knew (or at least publicly admitted it knew) that acetaminophen was at all damaging to the liver, this seems really unlikely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering the narcotic + acetaminophen mixtures have been on the market for far longer than the FDA knew ( or at least publicly admitted it knew ) that acetaminophen was at all damaging to the liver , this seems really unlikely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering the narcotic + acetaminophen mixtures have been on the market for far longer than the FDA knew (or at least publicly admitted it knew) that acetaminophen was at all damaging to the liver, this seems really unlikely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563753</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246526700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The acetaminophen is added because it increases the effectiveness of the narcotic, so a lower dose of the narcotic is needed for good pain control. Has nothing at all to do with controlling illicit drug use.

</p><p>But what is fucked is that aspirin has this same effect with the narcotics and is much safer to use, and in fact aspirin + narcotic compounds used to be the common thing back in the day (prior to 1980). The change to acetaminophen compounds had to do with the profit margins of the pharmaceutical companies more than for any other reason. (Aspirin was the first ever drug synthesized in a laboratory and neither it nor any of the process that is used to make it can be patented. Plus the stuff is so easy and cheap to make that there is no way for a large pharmaceutical company to squeeze out smaller competitors. So aspirin is a failure in the American health care industry, despite its therapeutic effectiveness. No profit there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The acetaminophen is added because it increases the effectiveness of the narcotic , so a lower dose of the narcotic is needed for good pain control .
Has nothing at all to do with controlling illicit drug use .
But what is fucked is that aspirin has this same effect with the narcotics and is much safer to use , and in fact aspirin + narcotic compounds used to be the common thing back in the day ( prior to 1980 ) .
The change to acetaminophen compounds had to do with the profit margins of the pharmaceutical companies more than for any other reason .
( Aspirin was the first ever drug synthesized in a laboratory and neither it nor any of the process that is used to make it can be patented .
Plus the stuff is so easy and cheap to make that there is no way for a large pharmaceutical company to squeeze out smaller competitors .
So aspirin is a failure in the American health care industry , despite its therapeutic effectiveness .
No profit there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The acetaminophen is added because it increases the effectiveness of the narcotic, so a lower dose of the narcotic is needed for good pain control.
Has nothing at all to do with controlling illicit drug use.
But what is fucked is that aspirin has this same effect with the narcotics and is much safer to use, and in fact aspirin + narcotic compounds used to be the common thing back in the day (prior to 1980).
The change to acetaminophen compounds had to do with the profit margins of the pharmaceutical companies more than for any other reason.
(Aspirin was the first ever drug synthesized in a laboratory and neither it nor any of the process that is used to make it can be patented.
Plus the stuff is so easy and cheap to make that there is no way for a large pharmaceutical company to squeeze out smaller competitors.
So aspirin is a failure in the American health care industry, despite its therapeutic effectiveness.
No profit there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28559997</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Thirty extra-strength tylenols at once can destroy your liver and you'll die within 72 hours.</i> <br> <br>If you're lucky. Things have a tendency to go wrong with this course of medication, resulting in a fucked liver and a death spread over several weeks. It happened to my sister-in-law, and it's not pretty.<br> <br>If you want to kill yourself, I'd suggest a nice clean OD on smack.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thirty extra-strength tylenols at once can destroy your liver and you 'll die within 72 hours .
If you 're lucky .
Things have a tendency to go wrong with this course of medication , resulting in a fucked liver and a death spread over several weeks .
It happened to my sister-in-law , and it 's not pretty .
If you want to kill yourself , I 'd suggest a nice clean OD on smack .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thirty extra-strength tylenols at once can destroy your liver and you'll die within 72 hours.
If you're lucky.
Things have a tendency to go wrong with this course of medication, resulting in a fucked liver and a death spread over several weeks.
It happened to my sister-in-law, and it's not pretty.
If you want to kill yourself, I'd suggest a nice clean OD on smack.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28563699</id>
	<title>Re:not really a ban</title>
	<author>Golddess</author>
	<datestamp>1246526520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The "maximum" dosage is 4000 mg per day</p></div><p>I'm fairly certain that 4-6 hours after the first dose you don't still have 1000mg of the stuff in your system.  So after 16 hours I doubt that you'd have 4000mg swimming around in your blood stream.  That said, I do not know what a continual level of the stuff swimming around could do to you, but don't the directions normally also include a "not to exceed X pills in Y hours"?<br>
<br>
I do agree that <i>if</i> the directions are bad then it's an unsafe product, but this doesn't sound like that kind of situation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " maximum " dosage is 4000 mg per dayI 'm fairly certain that 4-6 hours after the first dose you do n't still have 1000mg of the stuff in your system .
So after 16 hours I doubt that you 'd have 4000mg swimming around in your blood stream .
That said , I do not know what a continual level of the stuff swimming around could do to you , but do n't the directions normally also include a " not to exceed X pills in Y hours " ?
I do agree that if the directions are bad then it 's an unsafe product , but this does n't sound like that kind of situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "maximum" dosage is 4000 mg per dayI'm fairly certain that 4-6 hours after the first dose you don't still have 1000mg of the stuff in your system.
So after 16 hours I doubt that you'd have 4000mg swimming around in your blood stream.
That said, I do not know what a continual level of the stuff swimming around could do to you, but don't the directions normally also include a "not to exceed X pills in Y hours"?
I do agree that if the directions are bad then it's an unsafe product, but this doesn't sound like that kind of situation.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1431208.28561823</id>
	<title>awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246563840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and drug seekers everywhere rejoiced</p><p>oxycontin for every kid with wisdom teeth<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and drug seekers everywhere rejoicedoxycontin for every kid with wisdom teeth : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and drug seekers everywhere rejoicedoxycontin for every kid with wisdom teeth :)</sentencetext>
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