<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_02_1347210</id>
	<title>Secrets of Schizophrenia and Depression "Unlocked"</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1246548420000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://psoug.org/" rel="nofollow">Oracle Goddess</a> writes <i>"According to the US National Institute for Mental Health in Bethesda, Maryland, scientists have discovered a remarkable similarity between the genetic faults behind both <a href="http://www.nimh.nih.gov/science-news/2009/schizophrenia-and-bipolar-disorder-share-genetic-roots.shtml">schizophrenia and manic depression</a> in a breakthrough that is expected to <a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/unlocked-the-secrets-of-schizophrenia-1727987.html">open the way to new treatments</a> for two of the most common mental illnesses, affecting millions of people. Previously schizophrenia and depression were assumed to be two separate conditions, but the new research shows for the first time that both have a common genetic basis that leads people to develop one or the other of the two illnesses."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle Goddess writes " According to the US National Institute for Mental Health in Bethesda , Maryland , scientists have discovered a remarkable similarity between the genetic faults behind both schizophrenia and manic depression in a breakthrough that is expected to open the way to new treatments for two of the most common mental illnesses , affecting millions of people .
Previously schizophrenia and depression were assumed to be two separate conditions , but the new research shows for the first time that both have a common genetic basis that leads people to develop one or the other of the two illnesses .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle Goddess writes "According to the US National Institute for Mental Health in Bethesda, Maryland, scientists have discovered a remarkable similarity between the genetic faults behind both schizophrenia and manic depression in a breakthrough that is expected to open the way to new treatments for two of the most common mental illnesses, affecting millions of people.
Previously schizophrenia and depression were assumed to be two separate conditions, but the new research shows for the first time that both have a common genetic basis that leads people to develop one or the other of the two illnesses.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28563929</id>
	<title>Sure, they can fix depression...</title>
	<author>VomitInc</author>
	<datestamp>1246527480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... but do you think they'd bother to have a look at the diodes down my left side? Of course not!</htmltext>
<tokenext>... but do you think they 'd bother to have a look at the diodes down my left side ?
Of course not !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but do you think they'd bother to have a look at the diodes down my left side?
Of course not!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560577</id>
	<title>Re:This is a very interesting finding</title>
	<author>onemorechip</author>
	<datestamp>1246559880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks, every little bit of information I can get about you helps answer the question in my sig.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks , every little bit of information I can get about you helps answer the question in my sig .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks, every little bit of information I can get about you helps answer the question in my sig.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559225</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558823</id>
	<title>Re:I used to be schizophrenic</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246554480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The voices in my head all tell my you're lying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The voices in my head all tell my you 're lying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The voices in my head all tell my you're lying.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558271</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28561985</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246564440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude you tried to write an angry rant cause some random people tagged the story nutjobs? Yeah it's silly but chill out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude you tried to write an angry rant cause some random people tagged the story nutjobs ?
Yeah it 's silly but chill out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude you tried to write an angry rant cause some random people tagged the story nutjobs?
Yeah it's silly but chill out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558387</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558357</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>ColdWetDog</author>
	<datestamp>1246552620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know this is Slashdot and all, but that is rather the point of TFA.  In fact, for a change, it does a reasonably good job.<br> <br>
Recommended.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is Slashdot and all , but that is rather the point of TFA .
In fact , for a change , it does a reasonably good job .
Recommended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is Slashdot and all, but that is rather the point of TFA.
In fact, for a change, it does a reasonably good job.
Recommended.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558269</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558437</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246552920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just becasue they are complex doesn't mean the information can't be found.</p><p>Just becasue something is unknown doesn't mean it's unknowable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just becasue they are complex does n't mean the information ca n't be found.Just becasue something is unknown does n't mean it 's unknowable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just becasue they are complex doesn't mean the information can't be found.Just becasue something is unknown doesn't mean it's unknowable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558269</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28569131</id>
	<title>Re:This is a very interesting finding</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246653420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Paranoia and self-absorption, as well as an irrational belief that the world is out to get you and that you're right no matter how wrong you may be are also characteristic....if you'd bothered to read the second half of TFS, you might see mention of manic depressive disorder, of which he was making fun.  Look it up and then do what the voices tell you to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Paranoia and self-absorption , as well as an irrational belief that the world is out to get you and that you 're right no matter how wrong you may be are also characteristic....if you 'd bothered to read the second half of TFS , you might see mention of manic depressive disorder , of which he was making fun .
Look it up and then do what the voices tell you to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paranoia and self-absorption, as well as an irrational belief that the world is out to get you and that you're right no matter how wrong you may be are also characteristic....if you'd bothered to read the second half of TFS, you might see mention of manic depressive disorder, of which he was making fun.
Look it up and then do what the voices tell you to do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559225</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28563371</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>Gilmoure</author>
	<datestamp>1246525440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don' thing t'hose words mean whad you ting dey mean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I don ' thing t'hose words mean whad you ting dey mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don' thing t'hose words mean whad you ting dey mean.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558337</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558331</id>
	<title>Manic Depression.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Manic Depression's touching my soul,<br>I know what I want,<br>but I just don't know how to go about getting it.</p><p>Feeling, sweet feeling<br>drops from my finger, fingers<br>Manic Depression's captured my soul.</p><p>Woman so willing the sweet cause in vain,<br>you make love,<br>you break love,<br>it's-a all the same when it's...<br>when it's over.</p><p>Music sweet music,<br>I wish I could caress, caress, caress.<br>Manic Depression's a frustrating mess.<br>Well, I think I'll go turn myself off an' go on down.</p><p>Really ain't no use me hanging around.<br>Oh, I gotta see you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Manic Depression 's touching my soul,I know what I want,but I just do n't know how to go about getting it.Feeling , sweet feelingdrops from my finger , fingersManic Depression 's captured my soul.Woman so willing the sweet cause in vain,you make love,you break love,it 's-a all the same when it 's...when it 's over.Music sweet music,I wish I could caress , caress , caress.Manic Depression 's a frustrating mess.Well , I think I 'll go turn myself off an ' go on down.Really ai n't no use me hanging around.Oh , I got ta see you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Manic Depression's touching my soul,I know what I want,but I just don't know how to go about getting it.Feeling, sweet feelingdrops from my finger, fingersManic Depression's captured my soul.Woman so willing the sweet cause in vain,you make love,you break love,it's-a all the same when it's...when it's over.Music sweet music,I wish I could caress, caress, caress.Manic Depression's a frustrating mess.Well, I think I'll go turn myself off an' go on down.Really ain't no use me hanging around.Oh, I gotta see you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28566343</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246539300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now how to swing in the other direction? Something opposite to lithium?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now how to swing in the other direction ?
Something opposite to lithium ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now how to swing in the other direction?
Something opposite to lithium?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28562201</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>TheLink</author>
	<datestamp>1246565220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally I haven't seen any human without huge lapses in logic. Even atheists.</p><p>FWIW most people in general are detached from reality[1].</p><p>For example watch the following video and count the total number of times that the people wearing white pass the basketball. Do not count the passes made by the people wearing black:</p><p><a href="http://viscog.beckman.illinois.edu/flashmovie/15.php" title="illinois.edu">http://viscog.beckman.illinois.edu/flashmovie/15.php</a> [illinois.edu]</p><p>[1] Many wouldn't even see a gorilla in a video waving at them, because they are so busy with more important matters. Go figure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I have n't seen any human without huge lapses in logic .
Even atheists.FWIW most people in general are detached from reality [ 1 ] .For example watch the following video and count the total number of times that the people wearing white pass the basketball .
Do not count the passes made by the people wearing black : http : //viscog.beckman.illinois.edu/flashmovie/15.php [ illinois.edu ] [ 1 ] Many would n't even see a gorilla in a video waving at them , because they are so busy with more important matters .
Go figure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I haven't seen any human without huge lapses in logic.
Even atheists.FWIW most people in general are detached from reality[1].For example watch the following video and count the total number of times that the people wearing white pass the basketball.
Do not count the passes made by the people wearing black:http://viscog.beckman.illinois.edu/flashmovie/15.php [illinois.edu][1] Many wouldn't even see a gorilla in a video waving at them, because they are so busy with more important matters.
Go figure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559955</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559201</id>
	<title>Re:Downside</title>
	<author>Sulphur</author>
	<datestamp>1246555920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its tin foil hat resonator.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its tin foil hat resonator .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its tin foil hat resonator.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558301</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28561333</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>moredrivel</author>
	<datestamp>1246562160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Glad it's working for you.  I have a close friend on a similar track.  She has difficulties at times, but manages it and prefers the full spectrum over the duller edges.
<br> <br>
I think one of our weaknesses as a society is our insistence on defining and trying to be "normal."  In so doing, we also define "abnormal" and thus limit our perception and understanding of the natural world.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Glad it 's working for you .
I have a close friend on a similar track .
She has difficulties at times , but manages it and prefers the full spectrum over the duller edges .
I think one of our weaknesses as a society is our insistence on defining and trying to be " normal .
" In so doing , we also define " abnormal " and thus limit our perception and understanding of the natural world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Glad it's working for you.
I have a close friend on a similar track.
She has difficulties at times, but manages it and prefers the full spectrum over the duller edges.
I think one of our weaknesses as a society is our insistence on defining and trying to be "normal.
"  In so doing, we also define "abnormal" and thus limit our perception and understanding of the natural world.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28579771</id>
	<title>Yeah, this is all real funny ... how about this:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246719060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://moinuddin-sarker.org/</p><p>Karin Kaufman, who is rich but is in psychosis because she stopped taking her powerful anti-psychotic meds in 2002, created a research laboratory at great expense in 2003 to save the world from &#226;oepoorly-ordered poisonous heavy metals&#226;. The name of that laboratory:</p><p>Natural State Research</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //moinuddin-sarker.org/Karin Kaufman , who is rich but is in psychosis because she stopped taking her powerful anti-psychotic meds in 2002 , created a research laboratory at great expense in 2003 to save the world from   oepoorly-ordered poisonous heavy metals   .
The name of that laboratory : Natural State Research</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://moinuddin-sarker.org/Karin Kaufman, who is rich but is in psychosis because she stopped taking her powerful anti-psychotic meds in 2002, created a research laboratory at great expense in 2003 to save the world from âoepoorly-ordered poisonous heavy metalsâ.
The name of that laboratory:Natural State Research</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558307</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559225</id>
	<title>Re:This is a very interesting finding</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246555980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You seem to have the same faulty knowledge of Schizophrenia as most. What you are talking about is something like Dissociative identity disorder. Being Schizophrenic doesn't mean you have multiple personalities. I should know as I'm Schizophrenic myself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You seem to have the same faulty knowledge of Schizophrenia as most .
What you are talking about is something like Dissociative identity disorder .
Being Schizophrenic does n't mean you have multiple personalities .
I should know as I 'm Schizophrenic myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seem to have the same faulty knowledge of Schizophrenia as most.
What you are talking about is something like Dissociative identity disorder.
Being Schizophrenic doesn't mean you have multiple personalities.
I should know as I'm Schizophrenic myself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558243</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558521</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>cowbutt</author>
	<datestamp>1246553220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Similarity of some symptoms, medication that is effective for both conditions, a history of one or other condition in a person's ancestry...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Similarity of some symptoms , medication that is effective for both conditions , a history of one or other condition in a person 's ancestry.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Similarity of some symptoms, medication that is effective for both conditions, a history of one or other condition in a person's ancestry...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558269</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560081</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1246558500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been saying for years that they are not separate disorders but rather a continuum, with OCD at one end, bipolar in the middle, and schizo at the other.</p><p>I've also noted a cyclic pattern -- typically a crazed episode, followed by a brief apologetic period, then some unpredictable time of being apparently-normal. If the cycle is not interrupted, or if it is in any way enabled, it trends toward worse with each cycle.</p><p>I also content this: ALL children are schizophrenic, and progress thru bipolar and OCD phases as they mature. NORMAL children eventually leave all of these behaviours behind. We notice people "going wrong" in their teens and twenties not because they are "getting sick" but because they are failing to outgrow these normal childhood behaviours, which don't work so well once you leave the nest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been saying for years that they are not separate disorders but rather a continuum , with OCD at one end , bipolar in the middle , and schizo at the other.I 've also noted a cyclic pattern -- typically a crazed episode , followed by a brief apologetic period , then some unpredictable time of being apparently-normal .
If the cycle is not interrupted , or if it is in any way enabled , it trends toward worse with each cycle.I also content this : ALL children are schizophrenic , and progress thru bipolar and OCD phases as they mature .
NORMAL children eventually leave all of these behaviours behind .
We notice people " going wrong " in their teens and twenties not because they are " getting sick " but because they are failing to outgrow these normal childhood behaviours , which do n't work so well once you leave the nest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been saying for years that they are not separate disorders but rather a continuum, with OCD at one end, bipolar in the middle, and schizo at the other.I've also noted a cyclic pattern -- typically a crazed episode, followed by a brief apologetic period, then some unpredictable time of being apparently-normal.
If the cycle is not interrupted, or if it is in any way enabled, it trends toward worse with each cycle.I also content this: ALL children are schizophrenic, and progress thru bipolar and OCD phases as they mature.
NORMAL children eventually leave all of these behaviours behind.
We notice people "going wrong" in their teens and twenties not because they are "getting sick" but because they are failing to outgrow these normal childhood behaviours, which don't work so well once you leave the nest.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558807</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558557</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>xednieht</author>
	<datestamp>1246553340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since one of the symptoms is "purposeless agitation" it would seem that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is a schizo-magnet. <br>
Not me of course since the voices told me I wasn't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since one of the symptoms is " purposeless agitation " it would seem that / .
is a schizo-magnet .
Not me of course since the voices told me I was n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since one of the symptoms is "purposeless agitation" it would seem that /.
is a schizo-magnet.
Not me of course since the voices told me I wasn't.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558387</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558271</id>
	<title>I used to be schizophrenic</title>
	<author>jayme0227</author>
	<datestamp>1246552260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But we're all better now.</p><p>I know, I know, that's dissociative identity disorder, but you still laughed. Maybe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But we 're all better now.I know , I know , that 's dissociative identity disorder , but you still laughed .
Maybe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But we're all better now.I know, I know, that's dissociative identity disorder, but you still laughed.
Maybe.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559235</id>
	<title>Re:It's Not a "Disease"</title>
	<author>IflyRC</author>
	<datestamp>1246556040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just want to be able to marry myself and file myselves as a depedents.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just want to be able to marry myself and file myselves as a depedents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just want to be able to marry myself and file myselves as a depedents.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558273</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28573125</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246644780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you'd like to hear what a proponent of ECT has to say about the subject, listen to Sherwin Nuland (surgeon and lecturer at the Yale University School of Medicine) tell his own story about how it saved his life.</p><p>http://www.ted.com/talks/sherwin\_nuland\_on\_electroshock\_therapy.html</p><p>I challenge you to not be moved to tears by his story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 'd like to hear what a proponent of ECT has to say about the subject , listen to Sherwin Nuland ( surgeon and lecturer at the Yale University School of Medicine ) tell his own story about how it saved his life.http : //www.ted.com/talks/sherwin \ _nuland \ _on \ _electroshock \ _therapy.htmlI challenge you to not be moved to tears by his story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you'd like to hear what a proponent of ECT has to say about the subject, listen to Sherwin Nuland (surgeon and lecturer at the Yale University School of Medicine) tell his own story about how it saved his life.http://www.ted.com/talks/sherwin\_nuland\_on\_electroshock\_therapy.htmlI challenge you to not be moved to tears by his story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558531</id>
	<title>This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>bogaboga</author>
	<datestamp>1246553280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In order to treat these conditions, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive\_therapy" title="wikipedia.org"> ECT </a> [wikipedia.org] is the tool of choice these days. It has its own detractors (me inclusive) for I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual.</p><p>Worst of all you could lose all your memory. There was a story of a lady who did not remember anything about her clothes and wondered who had put "foreign" clothes in her closet. In another case, a former doctor could not remember who the hell he was after the procedure. Scary indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In order to treat these conditions , ECT [ wikipedia.org ] is the tool of choice these days .
It has its own detractors ( me inclusive ) for I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual.Worst of all you could lose all your memory .
There was a story of a lady who did not remember anything about her clothes and wondered who had put " foreign " clothes in her closet .
In another case , a former doctor could not remember who the hell he was after the procedure .
Scary indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order to treat these conditions,  ECT  [wikipedia.org] is the tool of choice these days.
It has its own detractors (me inclusive) for I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual.Worst of all you could lose all your memory.
There was a story of a lady who did not remember anything about her clothes and wondered who had put "foreign" clothes in her closet.
In another case, a former doctor could not remember who the hell he was after the procedure.
Scary indeed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559683</id>
	<title>Worked for Pirsig, he got a best-seller out of it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess Hemingway had a minor issue with the treatment, but I think he was able to resolve his situation in the end.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess Hemingway had a minor issue with the treatment , but I think he was able to resolve his situation in the end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess Hemingway had a minor issue with the treatment, but I think he was able to resolve his situation in the end.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558785</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246554300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually it is a bit nice.</p><p>as someone who's been diagnosed with schizophrenia; one of the biggest realisations that helps is that it's not so much people are out to get me but more people our just out to get anyone.</p><p>i just happen to be a bit over sensitive is all. then it just becomes important to remember that.</p><p>thanks for the reminder assholes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually it is a bit nice.as someone who 's been diagnosed with schizophrenia ; one of the biggest realisations that helps is that it 's not so much people are out to get me but more people our just out to get anyone.i just happen to be a bit over sensitive is all .
then it just becomes important to remember that.thanks for the reminder assholes : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually it is a bit nice.as someone who's been diagnosed with schizophrenia; one of the biggest realisations that helps is that it's not so much people are out to get me but more people our just out to get anyone.i just happen to be a bit over sensitive is all.
then it just becomes important to remember that.thanks for the reminder assholes :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558771</id>
	<title>Re:Clarification</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246554240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That would be CLINICAL depression. As in, the type caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain; as opposed to the type caused by your wife leaving you.</p></div></blockquote><p>Despite the drug company propaganda, there's no objective test to distinguish the two.  In general the levels of neurotransmitters in a patient's brain aren't measured anyway... and even if they were, there's no available way to tell if the levels were what they were because of some physical issue, or if they're that way because your wife left you.</p><p>However, TFA is talking about bipolar disorder, which is not the same as clinical depression.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be CLINICAL depression .
As in , the type caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain ; as opposed to the type caused by your wife leaving you.Despite the drug company propaganda , there 's no objective test to distinguish the two .
In general the levels of neurotransmitters in a patient 's brain are n't measured anyway... and even if they were , there 's no available way to tell if the levels were what they were because of some physical issue , or if they 're that way because your wife left you.However , TFA is talking about bipolar disorder , which is not the same as clinical depression .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be CLINICAL depression.
As in, the type caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain; as opposed to the type caused by your wife leaving you.Despite the drug company propaganda, there's no objective test to distinguish the two.
In general the levels of neurotransmitters in a patient's brain aren't measured anyway... and even if they were, there's no available way to tell if the levels were what they were because of some physical issue, or if they're that way because your wife left you.However, TFA is talking about bipolar disorder, which is not the same as clinical depression.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28562153</id>
	<title>Re:I used to be schizophrenic</title>
	<author>tech\_fixer</author>
	<datestamp>1246565040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, no, no... You shot yourself a couple minutes BEFORE destroying the nations credit system.</p><p>Man, get your delusions straight!</p><p>Or at least tell one of your other personalities to audit for you. That might actually be an interesting conversation...</p><p>"Did you ckeck everything? / Yes you did / Ok then, approve the release of Windows 7, THAT will destroy the nations credit system."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no , no... You shot yourself a couple minutes BEFORE destroying the nations credit system.Man , get your delusions straight ! Or at least tell one of your other personalities to audit for you .
That might actually be an interesting conversation... " Did you ckeck everything ?
/ Yes you did / Ok then , approve the release of Windows 7 , THAT will destroy the nations credit system .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no, no... You shot yourself a couple minutes BEFORE destroying the nations credit system.Man, get your delusions straight!Or at least tell one of your other personalities to audit for you.
That might actually be an interesting conversation..."Did you ckeck everything?
/ Yes you did / Ok then, approve the release of Windows 7, THAT will destroy the nations credit system.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28561645</id>
	<title>Manic Depression vs Clinical Depression</title>
	<author>irotsoma</author>
	<datestamp>1246563240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wanted to point out that this article is talking about Manic Depression (aka bipolar disorder) NOT clinical depression.  Manic is when you have lots of ups and downs.  Clinical is when you are only down.  In fact the article that you linked to on NIMH doesn't even use the word depression at all probably to avoid this confusion, it says bipolar disorder.  You may want to change the wording in this post.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wanted to point out that this article is talking about Manic Depression ( aka bipolar disorder ) NOT clinical depression .
Manic is when you have lots of ups and downs .
Clinical is when you are only down .
In fact the article that you linked to on NIMH does n't even use the word depression at all probably to avoid this confusion , it says bipolar disorder .
You may want to change the wording in this post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wanted to point out that this article is talking about Manic Depression (aka bipolar disorder) NOT clinical depression.
Manic is when you have lots of ups and downs.
Clinical is when you are only down.
In fact the article that you linked to on NIMH doesn't even use the word depression at all probably to avoid this confusion, it says bipolar disorder.
You may want to change the wording in this post.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560045</id>
	<title>Not For Everyone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have bipolar disorder. I go through manic phases followed by depressive phases.  Sometimes mine are short (i.e. hours) but intense. Other times they last for months. I am obsessed with the problem of P vs NP, and thinking about it too much can lead me into manic phases, where I become convinced that I've solved the problem, and that others (i.e. teachers and friends) are out to steal my ideas. I become paranoid and write my name and the date on everything I write, in case someone claims my notes as their own. I become convinced that I am the reincarnation of Godel, Turing, John Nash, or other mathematicians. I converse with my "former selves" and tell them about my ideas. They respond with fascination and sometimes suggestions of their own. My mind spins and reels, and it feels sometimes like it becomes completely detached from my body. </p><p>It's true that while I'm manic, I can get abnormal amounts of work done. I also speak incredibly quickly, and develop a stutter because my mind moves too fast for my mouth to keep up. I call them 'cache misses' because my brain has to stop and go back to where it was just seconds ago, in order to 'fill in' the missing words. Because I think so quickly while manic, I become frustrated and irritated with anyone and anything that stops me from thinking as quickly as I'd like to.  I have trouble sleeping at night, and when I do sleep, I dream of absurd mathematical problems that don't make any sense. Once I was skiing with some friends, and I had a dream wherein each ski route was assigned an integer value. It was up to me to make sure that the sum of the slopes traversed by my group was exactly zero. I had to keep convincing people to do different slopes in order to keep things balanced.  When I have those dreams, I have a hard time waking up because I want to solve the problem so badly that I can't get out of bed. Additionally, when I'm manic, I drive more recklessly and take risks that I shouldn't. I'm much more likely to go home from a bar with a girl that I shouldn't. It seems like my sex appeal dramatically increases while I'm manic. This could be because I'm just thinking more highly of myself in general, but it could also be because i'm more aggressive, bold, and confident, all of which are appealing to girls.</p><p>The flip side of the mania is depression. When a manic phase ends, it usually leads to a depressive phase, when I realize i'm not a super genius capable of anything, and that my conversations with past mathematical figures are hallucinations. I think of myself as hopelessly stupid and doomed to live an unhappy life.  It's not just being sad. It's a state of total hopelessness and despair. The only thing in the world that is remotely appealing is killing myself, which I dream of constantly. I've attempted suicide three times, each time getting closer to actually finishing the act. The last time I tried, I was standing on the 28th floor of a building in downtown Seattle, trying to work up the courage to jump off the ledge. If it weren't for some people who happened to come up the elevator as I was sitting on the ledge, I probably wouldn't be typing this today.  I know that suicide is a terribly selfish thing to do, but until you've experienced the despair and hopelessness associated with bipolar depression, you can't begin to understand how much it makes sense. After my second attempt, I was taken against my will to a mental hospital, where I spent a few days. It was the worst experience of my life. All it impressed upon me was that, if I ever feel like suicide again, I shouldn't tell any medical professionals because they might take me back there. Even when I'm perfectly happy and level(i.e. no longer in a depressive or manic phase) I still occasionally think about killing myself. When I hear a story in the news about a plane crash or a celebrity dying, my first thouhgt is always to be envious of them. Just writing this post is making me want to kill myself. </p><p> As if the hopelessness, despair, and suicidal idealization weren't bad enough, I lose my attentio</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have bipolar disorder .
I go through manic phases followed by depressive phases .
Sometimes mine are short ( i.e .
hours ) but intense .
Other times they last for months .
I am obsessed with the problem of P vs NP , and thinking about it too much can lead me into manic phases , where I become convinced that I 've solved the problem , and that others ( i.e .
teachers and friends ) are out to steal my ideas .
I become paranoid and write my name and the date on everything I write , in case someone claims my notes as their own .
I become convinced that I am the reincarnation of Godel , Turing , John Nash , or other mathematicians .
I converse with my " former selves " and tell them about my ideas .
They respond with fascination and sometimes suggestions of their own .
My mind spins and reels , and it feels sometimes like it becomes completely detached from my body .
It 's true that while I 'm manic , I can get abnormal amounts of work done .
I also speak incredibly quickly , and develop a stutter because my mind moves too fast for my mouth to keep up .
I call them 'cache misses ' because my brain has to stop and go back to where it was just seconds ago , in order to 'fill in ' the missing words .
Because I think so quickly while manic , I become frustrated and irritated with anyone and anything that stops me from thinking as quickly as I 'd like to .
I have trouble sleeping at night , and when I do sleep , I dream of absurd mathematical problems that do n't make any sense .
Once I was skiing with some friends , and I had a dream wherein each ski route was assigned an integer value .
It was up to me to make sure that the sum of the slopes traversed by my group was exactly zero .
I had to keep convincing people to do different slopes in order to keep things balanced .
When I have those dreams , I have a hard time waking up because I want to solve the problem so badly that I ca n't get out of bed .
Additionally , when I 'm manic , I drive more recklessly and take risks that I should n't .
I 'm much more likely to go home from a bar with a girl that I should n't .
It seems like my sex appeal dramatically increases while I 'm manic .
This could be because I 'm just thinking more highly of myself in general , but it could also be because i 'm more aggressive , bold , and confident , all of which are appealing to girls.The flip side of the mania is depression .
When a manic phase ends , it usually leads to a depressive phase , when I realize i 'm not a super genius capable of anything , and that my conversations with past mathematical figures are hallucinations .
I think of myself as hopelessly stupid and doomed to live an unhappy life .
It 's not just being sad .
It 's a state of total hopelessness and despair .
The only thing in the world that is remotely appealing is killing myself , which I dream of constantly .
I 've attempted suicide three times , each time getting closer to actually finishing the act .
The last time I tried , I was standing on the 28th floor of a building in downtown Seattle , trying to work up the courage to jump off the ledge .
If it were n't for some people who happened to come up the elevator as I was sitting on the ledge , I probably would n't be typing this today .
I know that suicide is a terribly selfish thing to do , but until you 've experienced the despair and hopelessness associated with bipolar depression , you ca n't begin to understand how much it makes sense .
After my second attempt , I was taken against my will to a mental hospital , where I spent a few days .
It was the worst experience of my life .
All it impressed upon me was that , if I ever feel like suicide again , I should n't tell any medical professionals because they might take me back there .
Even when I 'm perfectly happy and level ( i.e .
no longer in a depressive or manic phase ) I still occasionally think about killing myself .
When I hear a story in the news about a plane crash or a celebrity dying , my first thouhgt is always to be envious of them .
Just writing this post is making me want to kill myself .
As if the hopelessness , despair , and suicidal idealization were n't bad enough , I lose my attentio</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have bipolar disorder.
I go through manic phases followed by depressive phases.
Sometimes mine are short (i.e.
hours) but intense.
Other times they last for months.
I am obsessed with the problem of P vs NP, and thinking about it too much can lead me into manic phases, where I become convinced that I've solved the problem, and that others (i.e.
teachers and friends) are out to steal my ideas.
I become paranoid and write my name and the date on everything I write, in case someone claims my notes as their own.
I become convinced that I am the reincarnation of Godel, Turing, John Nash, or other mathematicians.
I converse with my "former selves" and tell them about my ideas.
They respond with fascination and sometimes suggestions of their own.
My mind spins and reels, and it feels sometimes like it becomes completely detached from my body.
It's true that while I'm manic, I can get abnormal amounts of work done.
I also speak incredibly quickly, and develop a stutter because my mind moves too fast for my mouth to keep up.
I call them 'cache misses' because my brain has to stop and go back to where it was just seconds ago, in order to 'fill in' the missing words.
Because I think so quickly while manic, I become frustrated and irritated with anyone and anything that stops me from thinking as quickly as I'd like to.
I have trouble sleeping at night, and when I do sleep, I dream of absurd mathematical problems that don't make any sense.
Once I was skiing with some friends, and I had a dream wherein each ski route was assigned an integer value.
It was up to me to make sure that the sum of the slopes traversed by my group was exactly zero.
I had to keep convincing people to do different slopes in order to keep things balanced.
When I have those dreams, I have a hard time waking up because I want to solve the problem so badly that I can't get out of bed.
Additionally, when I'm manic, I drive more recklessly and take risks that I shouldn't.
I'm much more likely to go home from a bar with a girl that I shouldn't.
It seems like my sex appeal dramatically increases while I'm manic.
This could be because I'm just thinking more highly of myself in general, but it could also be because i'm more aggressive, bold, and confident, all of which are appealing to girls.The flip side of the mania is depression.
When a manic phase ends, it usually leads to a depressive phase, when I realize i'm not a super genius capable of anything, and that my conversations with past mathematical figures are hallucinations.
I think of myself as hopelessly stupid and doomed to live an unhappy life.
It's not just being sad.
It's a state of total hopelessness and despair.
The only thing in the world that is remotely appealing is killing myself, which I dream of constantly.
I've attempted suicide three times, each time getting closer to actually finishing the act.
The last time I tried, I was standing on the 28th floor of a building in downtown Seattle, trying to work up the courage to jump off the ledge.
If it weren't for some people who happened to come up the elevator as I was sitting on the ledge, I probably wouldn't be typing this today.
I know that suicide is a terribly selfish thing to do, but until you've experienced the despair and hopelessness associated with bipolar depression, you can't begin to understand how much it makes sense.
After my second attempt, I was taken against my will to a mental hospital, where I spent a few days.
It was the worst experience of my life.
All it impressed upon me was that, if I ever feel like suicide again, I shouldn't tell any medical professionals because they might take me back there.
Even when I'm perfectly happy and level(i.e.
no longer in a depressive or manic phase) I still occasionally think about killing myself.
When I hear a story in the news about a plane crash or a celebrity dying, my first thouhgt is always to be envious of them.
Just writing this post is making me want to kill myself.
As if the hopelessness, despair, and suicidal idealization weren't bad enough, I lose my attentio</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28565449</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1246534200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Given that both are caused by imbalances in brain chemistry, and given that the same patient can be both, how big of a leap is it to notice that they're really just different manifestations of the same problem?</p></div><p>I figure there's a ton of psychiatric condition which can occur at the same time.  At some level, they're all caused by brain chemistry.</p><p>Are you saying that all psychiatric conditions are all the same thing?  Because your reasoning in this one particular case, when applied to all other cases, sure makes it sound like it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that both are caused by imbalances in brain chemistry , and given that the same patient can be both , how big of a leap is it to notice that they 're really just different manifestations of the same problem ? I figure there 's a ton of psychiatric condition which can occur at the same time .
At some level , they 're all caused by brain chemistry.Are you saying that all psychiatric conditions are all the same thing ?
Because your reasoning in this one particular case , when applied to all other cases , sure makes it sound like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that both are caused by imbalances in brain chemistry, and given that the same patient can be both, how big of a leap is it to notice that they're really just different manifestations of the same problem?I figure there's a ton of psychiatric condition which can occur at the same time.
At some level, they're all caused by brain chemistry.Are you saying that all psychiatric conditions are all the same thing?
Because your reasoning in this one particular case, when applied to all other cases, sure makes it sound like it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558301</id>
	<title>Downside</title>
	<author>Ukab the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1246552380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This could be very bad for the tin foil hat industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This could be very bad for the tin foil hat industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could be very bad for the tin foil hat industry.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28568865</id>
	<title>I was going to RTFA...</title>
	<author>Samah</author>
	<datestamp>1246562880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was going to RTFA but my other personality was too depressed.<br>
<b>NO I WASN'T!</b> <br>
<i>Yes he was!</i> <br>
Shut up you two!<br>
<i>I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed...</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was going to RTFA but my other personality was too depressed .
NO I WAS N'T !
Yes he was !
Shut up you two !
I think you ought to know I 'm feeling very depressed.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was going to RTFA but my other personality was too depressed.
NO I WASN'T!
Yes he was!
Shut up you two!
I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28576227</id>
	<title>I'm knowledgable in the ways of science</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246625160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course there is an  objective test. What do we know about schizophrenics? Well, we know they burn, as do logs. What else do logs do? That's right, they float. And what else floats on water? Yes, ducks. If the schizophrenic weighs more than a duck, fill them with mind altering drugs which will obviously help them think clearly.</p><p>Seriously, there is no empirical evidence yet it claims to be a science? Snake oil at its finest. Schizophrenia = resisting brainwashing by the system. Pink Floyd and all that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course there is an objective test .
What do we know about schizophrenics ?
Well , we know they burn , as do logs .
What else do logs do ?
That 's right , they float .
And what else floats on water ?
Yes , ducks .
If the schizophrenic weighs more than a duck , fill them with mind altering drugs which will obviously help them think clearly.Seriously , there is no empirical evidence yet it claims to be a science ?
Snake oil at its finest .
Schizophrenia = resisting brainwashing by the system .
Pink Floyd and all that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course there is an  objective test.
What do we know about schizophrenics?
Well, we know they burn, as do logs.
What else do logs do?
That's right, they float.
And what else floats on water?
Yes, ducks.
If the schizophrenic weighs more than a duck, fill them with mind altering drugs which will obviously help them think clearly.Seriously, there is no empirical evidence yet it claims to be a science?
Snake oil at its finest.
Schizophrenia = resisting brainwashing by the system.
Pink Floyd and all that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559423</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1246556640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I envy you then.</p><p>While mania makes me a lot more productive, since I don't sleep but 2-3 hours a night for a few weeks, it's not really worth it. My mind starts going so fast, I get dysphasic and develop a stutter, become even more ornery than I normally am because they're interrupting my brilliant works (even something as trivial as tweaking my mythbox's remote settings), and spend way too much money.</p><p>But nothing is as bad as the mixed episodes... Being depressed enough to off oneself at the same time as being hyper and judgement-impaired to actually start going through with it... that is some scary shit...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I envy you then.While mania makes me a lot more productive , since I do n't sleep but 2-3 hours a night for a few weeks , it 's not really worth it .
My mind starts going so fast , I get dysphasic and develop a stutter , become even more ornery than I normally am because they 're interrupting my brilliant works ( even something as trivial as tweaking my mythbox 's remote settings ) , and spend way too much money.But nothing is as bad as the mixed episodes... Being depressed enough to off oneself at the same time as being hyper and judgement-impaired to actually start going through with it... that is some scary shit.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I envy you then.While mania makes me a lot more productive, since I don't sleep but 2-3 hours a night for a few weeks, it's not really worth it.
My mind starts going so fast, I get dysphasic and develop a stutter, become even more ornery than I normally am because they're interrupting my brilliant works (even something as trivial as tweaking my mythbox's remote settings), and spend way too much money.But nothing is as bad as the mixed episodes... Being depressed enough to off oneself at the same time as being hyper and judgement-impaired to actually start going through with it... that is some scary shit...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558529</id>
	<title>Re:Need to slow down when reading the article titl</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246553280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Awesome. I have saidf for a while that will be the killer app for future devices. uilt in achievments, as well as achievements that can be added.</p><p>Achievement unlocked! you ahve walked 1,000,000 steps.<br>Achievement unlocked! You have run a 10 minute mile! next achievement, 8 minute mile.</p><p>You have listened to your 10000 th minute of music.</p><p>And so on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Awesome .
I have saidf for a while that will be the killer app for future devices .
uilt in achievments , as well as achievements that can be added.Achievement unlocked !
you ahve walked 1,000,000 steps.Achievement unlocked !
You have run a 10 minute mile !
next achievement , 8 minute mile.You have listened to your 10000 th minute of music.And so on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Awesome.
I have saidf for a while that will be the killer app for future devices.
uilt in achievments, as well as achievements that can be added.Achievement unlocked!
you ahve walked 1,000,000 steps.Achievement unlocked!
You have run a 10 minute mile!
next achievement, 8 minute mile.You have listened to your 10000 th minute of music.And so on.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28574555</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>aqk</author>
	<datestamp>1246611720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Nice to see the best elements of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. are here</tt> <br>
  There- corrected it for ya...<br>
 <br>
Hey, ladies-  I've had friends and acquaintances die from schizophrenia. (the usual self-administered way) <br>
And- I suffer from clinical depression. <br>
And- I am a kid at heart, but chronologically 68 years old. <br>
Agreed, many of the comments are in "bad" taste, but funny, nevertheless.
 If you cannot laugh at this shit, then GTF off of slashdot. <br>The rest of you guys? Thanx fer cheering me up.<br>
Try laughing at death sometime. But ladies, you're probably too "mature".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice to see the best elements of / .
are here There- corrected it for ya.. . Hey , ladies- I 've had friends and acquaintances die from schizophrenia .
( the usual self-administered way ) And- I suffer from clinical depression .
And- I am a kid at heart , but chronologically 68 years old .
Agreed , many of the comments are in " bad " taste , but funny , nevertheless .
If you can not laugh at this shit , then GTF off of slashdot .
The rest of you guys ?
Thanx fer cheering me up .
Try laughing at death sometime .
But ladies , you 're probably too " mature " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice to see the best elements of /.
are here 
  There- corrected it for ya...
 
Hey, ladies-  I've had friends and acquaintances die from schizophrenia.
(the usual self-administered way) 
And- I suffer from clinical depression.
And- I am a kid at heart, but chronologically 68 years old.
Agreed, many of the comments are in "bad" taste, but funny, nevertheless.
If you cannot laugh at this shit, then GTF off of slashdot.
The rest of you guys?
Thanx fer cheering me up.
Try laughing at death sometime.
But ladies, you're probably too "mature".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560007</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1246558260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure you understand how statistical correlation works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure you understand how statistical correlation works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure you understand how statistical correlation works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560165</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1246558680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anecdote != Data. You make an interesting point, but without corroborating data points, it's not very useful for the larger population.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anecdote ! = Data .
You make an interesting point , but without corroborating data points , it 's not very useful for the larger population .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anecdote != Data.
You make an interesting point, but without corroborating data points, it's not very useful for the larger population.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28564301</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246528920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because they present very differently and disorders can be comorbid? No! That's right, those guys are stupid and they should have been going by the anecdotal evidence of their patient's relatives! Besides, there is already a diagnosis for people who exhibit both schizophrenia and bi-polar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they present very differently and disorders can be comorbid ?
No ! That 's right , those guys are stupid and they should have been going by the anecdotal evidence of their patient 's relatives !
Besides , there is already a diagnosis for people who exhibit both schizophrenia and bi-polar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they present very differently and disorders can be comorbid?
No! That's right, those guys are stupid and they should have been going by the anecdotal evidence of their patient's relatives!
Besides, there is already a diagnosis for people who exhibit both schizophrenia and bi-polar.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558833</id>
	<title>Re:Clarification</title>
	<author>Dzonatas</author>
	<datestamp>1246554540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clinical depression is someone who is experiencing depression and diagnosed as such. Someone that experiences a number of depression symptoms for a period of time without an immediate reason why for each episode is then determined to have major depression (unipolar) or bipolar disorder.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... from someone that is certified disabled from being unipolar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clinical depression is someone who is experiencing depression and diagnosed as such .
Someone that experiences a number of depression symptoms for a period of time without an immediate reason why for each episode is then determined to have major depression ( unipolar ) or bipolar disorder .
... from someone that is certified disabled from being unipolar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clinical depression is someone who is experiencing depression and diagnosed as such.
Someone that experiences a number of depression symptoms for a period of time without an immediate reason why for each episode is then determined to have major depression (unipolar) or bipolar disorder.
... from someone that is certified disabled from being unipolar.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560275</id>
	<title>Re:Downside</title>
	<author>Alzheimers</author>
	<datestamp>1246559040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The tin foil hat industry has been gone a long time.  Most people have switched to Aluminum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The tin foil hat industry has been gone a long time .
Most people have switched to Aluminum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The tin foil hat industry has been gone a long time.
Most people have switched to Aluminum.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28561081</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246561260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you can harness it, manic depression is wonderful thing.</p></div><p>Sure it's fun to harness until the mania's gone and I'm swinging hard in the other direction.  Then it takes all I can give for months on end to try and forget everything, especially how bad I feel.  After life has become a barren wasteland with no purpose to it whatsoever, one day I wake up and remember why life is so important and I can't seem to recall why I ever felt bad to begin with.<br> <br>I feel ya on ditching the meds though, tried them and they worked but they took away everything that made me feel like me.  I know if things swing south for too long I can always go back to them for help.<br> <br>Posted anonymously not out of shame or stigma, but I fear talking about these things could bar me from a really good job one day.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can harness it , manic depression is wonderful thing.Sure it 's fun to harness until the mania 's gone and I 'm swinging hard in the other direction .
Then it takes all I can give for months on end to try and forget everything , especially how bad I feel .
After life has become a barren wasteland with no purpose to it whatsoever , one day I wake up and remember why life is so important and I ca n't seem to recall why I ever felt bad to begin with .
I feel ya on ditching the meds though , tried them and they worked but they took away everything that made me feel like me .
I know if things swing south for too long I can always go back to them for help .
Posted anonymously not out of shame or stigma , but I fear talking about these things could bar me from a really good job one day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can harness it, manic depression is wonderful thing.Sure it's fun to harness until the mania's gone and I'm swinging hard in the other direction.
Then it takes all I can give for months on end to try and forget everything, especially how bad I feel.
After life has become a barren wasteland with no purpose to it whatsoever, one day I wake up and remember why life is so important and I can't seem to recall why I ever felt bad to begin with.
I feel ya on ditching the meds though, tried them and they worked but they took away everything that made me feel like me.
I know if things swing south for too long I can always go back to them for help.
Posted anonymously not out of shame or stigma, but I fear talking about these things could bar me from a really good job one day.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28565211</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246532820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When I on lithium (~15 years ago) I found my creative spark had gone. Sure, the window of emotion had narrowed considerably, but the super-fast mental edge was lost. That made me even more depressed when the time came. Spoke with my doc, dropped all the meds (but can get lithium if I become Superman again)</p><p>If you can harness it, manic depression is wonderful thing.</p><p>Posted non-anonymously because it's not embarrassing or a big stigma.</p></div><p>As a psychiatrist, I see many people with Bipolar Disorder on a daily basis. Many individuals express a similar sentiment. The problem is that a single manic episode MAY ruin part/all of your life (e.g. sending your money to those pesky Nigerians who's emails sound a whole lot more reasonable all of the sudden). Episodes tend to be infrequent early in life (average time between 1st and 2nd manic episode ~10 years), but often increase in frequency over time. A person in a manic state may be increasingly productive and creative, and many past artistic greats are thought to have had bipolar. However the impact of the manic episodes on the individual plus the depressive episodes (which there are ~20 for every manic episode) frequently drain the person and their loved ones. Their mania may benefit society by great works of art at the cost of the individual. By no means is this universal, but I see too often lives ruined from this disease. As for lithium, the newer atypical antipsychotics often work equally well and are much less likely to cause cognitive dulling.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I on lithium ( ~ 15 years ago ) I found my creative spark had gone .
Sure , the window of emotion had narrowed considerably , but the super-fast mental edge was lost .
That made me even more depressed when the time came .
Spoke with my doc , dropped all the meds ( but can get lithium if I become Superman again ) If you can harness it , manic depression is wonderful thing.Posted non-anonymously because it 's not embarrassing or a big stigma.As a psychiatrist , I see many people with Bipolar Disorder on a daily basis .
Many individuals express a similar sentiment .
The problem is that a single manic episode MAY ruin part/all of your life ( e.g .
sending your money to those pesky Nigerians who 's emails sound a whole lot more reasonable all of the sudden ) .
Episodes tend to be infrequent early in life ( average time between 1st and 2nd manic episode ~ 10 years ) , but often increase in frequency over time .
A person in a manic state may be increasingly productive and creative , and many past artistic greats are thought to have had bipolar .
However the impact of the manic episodes on the individual plus the depressive episodes ( which there are ~ 20 for every manic episode ) frequently drain the person and their loved ones .
Their mania may benefit society by great works of art at the cost of the individual .
By no means is this universal , but I see too often lives ruined from this disease .
As for lithium , the newer atypical antipsychotics often work equally well and are much less likely to cause cognitive dulling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I on lithium (~15 years ago) I found my creative spark had gone.
Sure, the window of emotion had narrowed considerably, but the super-fast mental edge was lost.
That made me even more depressed when the time came.
Spoke with my doc, dropped all the meds (but can get lithium if I become Superman again)If you can harness it, manic depression is wonderful thing.Posted non-anonymously because it's not embarrassing or a big stigma.As a psychiatrist, I see many people with Bipolar Disorder on a daily basis.
Many individuals express a similar sentiment.
The problem is that a single manic episode MAY ruin part/all of your life (e.g.
sending your money to those pesky Nigerians who's emails sound a whole lot more reasonable all of the sudden).
Episodes tend to be infrequent early in life (average time between 1st and 2nd manic episode ~10 years), but often increase in frequency over time.
A person in a manic state may be increasingly productive and creative, and many past artistic greats are thought to have had bipolar.
However the impact of the manic episodes on the individual plus the depressive episodes (which there are ~20 for every manic episode) frequently drain the person and their loved ones.
Their mania may benefit society by great works of art at the cost of the individual.
By no means is this universal, but I see too often lives ruined from this disease.
As for lithium, the newer atypical antipsychotics often work equally well and are much less likely to cause cognitive dulling.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559087</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246555440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ECT, Electro-Convulsive Therapy, also often called "electrical lobotomy".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ECT , Electro-Convulsive Therapy , also often called " electrical lobotomy " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ECT, Electro-Convulsive Therapy, also often called "electrical lobotomy".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28562397</id>
	<title>Manic depression != Depression</title>
	<author>crmarvin42</author>
	<datestamp>1246565820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"According to the US National Institute for Mental Health in Bethesda, Maryland, scientists have discovered a remarkable similarity between the genetic faults behind both <b>schizophrenia and manic depression</b> in a breakthrough that is expected to open the way to new treatments for two of the most common mental illnesses, affecting millions of people. Previously <b>schizophrenia and depression</b> were assumed to be two separate conditions, but the new research shows for the first time that both have a common genetic basis that leads people to develop one or the other of the two illnesses."</p></div><p>I havn't read the article, so I don't know which one is actually being connected to schizophrenia but I do know that Manic Depression is very different disease from Depression symptomatically.  <br> <br>Manic depressives have mood swings that include a manic phase in which much of their risk assessment skills go away and they engage in reckless and frequently life threatening behavior.  These are usually followed by depressive phases that may be similar to that experienced by a Depressive person.  Antidepressants have been shown to be counter productive in Manic Depressives because of the unfortunate interaction between the medication and the Manic phase.  <br> <br>Besides, I was under the impression that there has always been a belief that manic depression and schizophrenia were related somehow.  At least that's what my mother (who works as a psychiatric nurse) told me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" According to the US National Institute for Mental Health in Bethesda , Maryland , scientists have discovered a remarkable similarity between the genetic faults behind both schizophrenia and manic depression in a breakthrough that is expected to open the way to new treatments for two of the most common mental illnesses , affecting millions of people .
Previously schizophrenia and depression were assumed to be two separate conditions , but the new research shows for the first time that both have a common genetic basis that leads people to develop one or the other of the two illnesses .
" I hav n't read the article , so I do n't know which one is actually being connected to schizophrenia but I do know that Manic Depression is very different disease from Depression symptomatically .
Manic depressives have mood swings that include a manic phase in which much of their risk assessment skills go away and they engage in reckless and frequently life threatening behavior .
These are usually followed by depressive phases that may be similar to that experienced by a Depressive person .
Antidepressants have been shown to be counter productive in Manic Depressives because of the unfortunate interaction between the medication and the Manic phase .
Besides , I was under the impression that there has always been a belief that manic depression and schizophrenia were related somehow .
At least that 's what my mother ( who works as a psychiatric nurse ) told me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"According to the US National Institute for Mental Health in Bethesda, Maryland, scientists have discovered a remarkable similarity between the genetic faults behind both schizophrenia and manic depression in a breakthrough that is expected to open the way to new treatments for two of the most common mental illnesses, affecting millions of people.
Previously schizophrenia and depression were assumed to be two separate conditions, but the new research shows for the first time that both have a common genetic basis that leads people to develop one or the other of the two illnesses.
"I havn't read the article, so I don't know which one is actually being connected to schizophrenia but I do know that Manic Depression is very different disease from Depression symptomatically.
Manic depressives have mood swings that include a manic phase in which much of their risk assessment skills go away and they engage in reckless and frequently life threatening behavior.
These are usually followed by depressive phases that may be similar to that experienced by a Depressive person.
Antidepressants have been shown to be counter productive in Manic Depressives because of the unfortunate interaction between the medication and the Manic phase.
Besides, I was under the impression that there has always been a belief that manic depression and schizophrenia were related somehow.
At least that's what my mother (who works as a psychiatric nurse) told me.
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Thanks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i'd like to thank Steve Ballmer for making himself available for this important breakthrough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'd like to thank Steve Ballmer for making himself available for this important breakthrough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'd like to thank Steve Ballmer for making himself available for this important breakthrough.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28571127</id>
	<title>Re:Important findings</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246632780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and that they invented the iPhone. (And Apple II)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and that they invented the iPhone .
( And Apple II )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and that they invented the iPhone.
(And Apple II)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558475</id>
	<title>Important findings</title>
	<author>Cluster2k1</author>
	<datestamp>1246553100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anything that sheds new light onto Schizophrenia and related disorders is very welcome.  It's heart breaking to watch someone close to you go through Schizophrenia symptoms.  It's not the funny Hollywood version of split personalities.  People suffering the disorder believe they are incredibly important (on a world scale), that they're on a special mission, they're related to Jesus, that others are coming to commit harm.  Most of all, they can't tell you who sent them on the 'mission' or why.  They sometimes turn on friends and accuse them of literally giving the disease.

The paranoia accompanying the illness can reach critical levels.

Saddest of all, a person with Schizophrenia does not believe they have a problem.  They believe everyone else is either wrong, out to get them, or 'just doesn't understand.'  Getting a sufferer to realise anything is wrong, let alone getting them to accept medical treatment is a real trial.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything that sheds new light onto Schizophrenia and related disorders is very welcome .
It 's heart breaking to watch someone close to you go through Schizophrenia symptoms .
It 's not the funny Hollywood version of split personalities .
People suffering the disorder believe they are incredibly important ( on a world scale ) , that they 're on a special mission , they 're related to Jesus , that others are coming to commit harm .
Most of all , they ca n't tell you who sent them on the 'mission ' or why .
They sometimes turn on friends and accuse them of literally giving the disease .
The paranoia accompanying the illness can reach critical levels .
Saddest of all , a person with Schizophrenia does not believe they have a problem .
They believe everyone else is either wrong , out to get them , or 'just does n't understand .
' Getting a sufferer to realise anything is wrong , let alone getting them to accept medical treatment is a real trial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anything that sheds new light onto Schizophrenia and related disorders is very welcome.
It's heart breaking to watch someone close to you go through Schizophrenia symptoms.
It's not the funny Hollywood version of split personalities.
People suffering the disorder believe they are incredibly important (on a world scale), that they're on a special mission, they're related to Jesus, that others are coming to commit harm.
Most of all, they can't tell you who sent them on the 'mission' or why.
They sometimes turn on friends and accuse them of literally giving the disease.
The paranoia accompanying the illness can reach critical levels.
Saddest of all, a person with Schizophrenia does not believe they have a problem.
They believe everyone else is either wrong, out to get them, or 'just doesn't understand.
'  Getting a sufferer to realise anything is wrong, let alone getting them to accept medical treatment is a real trial.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>jcgf</author>
	<datestamp>1246563180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had 8 rounds of ECT a few years back (the big scary bilateral kind too).  It helped more and had fewer side effects than any medication that I had tried.  I experienced no memory loss and was only mildly disoriented upon waking up from the anesthesia (no more than other times I had surgery).  I would go again tomorrow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had 8 rounds of ECT a few years back ( the big scary bilateral kind too ) .
It helped more and had fewer side effects than any medication that I had tried .
I experienced no memory loss and was only mildly disoriented upon waking up from the anesthesia ( no more than other times I had surgery ) .
I would go again tomorrow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had 8 rounds of ECT a few years back (the big scary bilateral kind too).
It helped more and had fewer side effects than any medication that I had tried.
I experienced no memory loss and was only mildly disoriented upon waking up from the anesthesia (no more than other times I had surgery).
I would go again tomorrow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28561215</id>
	<title>Re:Downside</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1246561740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean the aluminum foil industry.  Chances are, they are making the hats and the reasoning for them, all on their own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean the aluminum foil industry .
Chances are , they are making the hats and the reasoning for them , all on their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean the aluminum foil industry.
Chances are, they are making the hats and the reasoning for them, all on their own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558805</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1246554420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only thing I harnessed with my highs was fist fighting and acting like a tool and the only thing I harnessed from my lows is excessive sleep and suicidal tendencies.</p><p>Apparently it's a YMMV thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing I harnessed with my highs was fist fighting and acting like a tool and the only thing I harnessed from my lows is excessive sleep and suicidal tendencies.Apparently it 's a YMMV thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing I harnessed with my highs was fist fighting and acting like a tool and the only thing I harnessed from my lows is excessive sleep and suicidal tendencies.Apparently it's a YMMV thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558325</id>
	<title>Science for the win!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More articles like this one, please.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More articles like this one , please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More articles like this one, please.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28561363</id>
	<title>Re:This is a very interesting finding</title>
	<author>Brigadier</author>
	<datestamp>1246562280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we don't appreciate you making fun of us like that.... we all have feelings too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we do n't appreciate you making fun of us like that.... we all have feelings too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we don't appreciate you making fun of us like that.... we all have feelings too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28574801</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246613460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anybody know the name of the Abstract in wich this info. is?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anybody know the name of the Abstract in wich this info .
is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anybody know the name of the Abstract in wich this info.
is?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559025</id>
	<title>Medications vs. Treatment</title>
	<author>StealthEMD</author>
	<datestamp>1246555260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know this is an unrelated disorder but the idea I want to present still holds.

My father has Epilepsy (non-genetic) and has been on prescription Phenobarbital, dilatin, and Folic Acid most of my life. Though this helped control the seizures it did not address the primary problem... Damage to the right side of his brain. The bigger problem is the impact of the medication on his ability to operate in the world around him. His reaction time, cognition, and memory are all greatly affected and external stimuli can make a tremendous impact on his life. If not for the medication he would probably qualify as a borderline genius, but he would have 3-4 Gran Mal seizures a day. To try and help him doctors have tried him on multiple medications and are now evaluating him for surgery.

This is where I make my point. the medications though helpful do not address the problem: damage to the brain. The solution is to remove the damage. The question is how will this affect the rest of his life.

The same is true here: Medications do not solve the underlying cause of Schizophrenia or Bi-Polar Disorder. A lasting treatment needs to be developed to provide this capacity. There are underlying problems (genetic, physical, chemical, all of thee above) that need to be treated in a lasting manner.

(I am not just blowing smoke out my ass I too deal with imbalance issues including ADD and hormonal imbalances causing gender dysphoria, it is a chemical problem and I find a way to live my life normally despite the fact but I still wish there was permanent treatment.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is an unrelated disorder but the idea I want to present still holds .
My father has Epilepsy ( non-genetic ) and has been on prescription Phenobarbital , dilatin , and Folic Acid most of my life .
Though this helped control the seizures it did not address the primary problem... Damage to the right side of his brain .
The bigger problem is the impact of the medication on his ability to operate in the world around him .
His reaction time , cognition , and memory are all greatly affected and external stimuli can make a tremendous impact on his life .
If not for the medication he would probably qualify as a borderline genius , but he would have 3-4 Gran Mal seizures a day .
To try and help him doctors have tried him on multiple medications and are now evaluating him for surgery .
This is where I make my point .
the medications though helpful do not address the problem : damage to the brain .
The solution is to remove the damage .
The question is how will this affect the rest of his life .
The same is true here : Medications do not solve the underlying cause of Schizophrenia or Bi-Polar Disorder .
A lasting treatment needs to be developed to provide this capacity .
There are underlying problems ( genetic , physical , chemical , all of thee above ) that need to be treated in a lasting manner .
( I am not just blowing smoke out my ass I too deal with imbalance issues including ADD and hormonal imbalances causing gender dysphoria , it is a chemical problem and I find a way to live my life normally despite the fact but I still wish there was permanent treatment .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is an unrelated disorder but the idea I want to present still holds.
My father has Epilepsy (non-genetic) and has been on prescription Phenobarbital, dilatin, and Folic Acid most of my life.
Though this helped control the seizures it did not address the primary problem... Damage to the right side of his brain.
The bigger problem is the impact of the medication on his ability to operate in the world around him.
His reaction time, cognition, and memory are all greatly affected and external stimuli can make a tremendous impact on his life.
If not for the medication he would probably qualify as a borderline genius, but he would have 3-4 Gran Mal seizures a day.
To try and help him doctors have tried him on multiple medications and are now evaluating him for surgery.
This is where I make my point.
the medications though helpful do not address the problem: damage to the brain.
The solution is to remove the damage.
The question is how will this affect the rest of his life.
The same is true here: Medications do not solve the underlying cause of Schizophrenia or Bi-Polar Disorder.
A lasting treatment needs to be developed to provide this capacity.
There are underlying problems (genetic, physical, chemical, all of thee above) that need to be treated in a lasting manner.
(I am not just blowing smoke out my ass I too deal with imbalance issues including ADD and hormonal imbalances causing gender dysphoria, it is a chemical problem and I find a way to live my life normally despite the fact but I still wish there was permanent treatment.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559119</id>
	<title>Re:Downside</title>
	<author>davidbrit2</author>
	<datestamp>1246555620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On the contrary, now you'll be able to purchase tinfoil hats that also play cheerful music.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the contrary , now you 'll be able to purchase tinfoil hats that also play cheerful music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the contrary, now you'll be able to purchase tinfoil hats that also play cheerful music.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559175</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1246555800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sounds a lot like me, actually. I do not think I am manic depressive, though if I am it's a very mild case. I have amazing highs and then horrible lows where I can hardly stop thinking of suicide in great detail. However, I wouldn't give it up for *anything*. Most of my favourite art, and ALL the works (poems, pencil drawings, and paintings) I ever sold were created during the low state. I think most great artists had this "problem", as you hear about the crazy things they did, or the alcohol problems they had, and etc. It's like one of those super powers that comes with its own downside or consequence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds a lot like me , actually .
I do not think I am manic depressive , though if I am it 's a very mild case .
I have amazing highs and then horrible lows where I can hardly stop thinking of suicide in great detail .
However , I would n't give it up for * anything * .
Most of my favourite art , and ALL the works ( poems , pencil drawings , and paintings ) I ever sold were created during the low state .
I think most great artists had this " problem " , as you hear about the crazy things they did , or the alcohol problems they had , and etc .
It 's like one of those super powers that comes with its own downside or consequence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds a lot like me, actually.
I do not think I am manic depressive, though if I am it's a very mild case.
I have amazing highs and then horrible lows where I can hardly stop thinking of suicide in great detail.
However, I wouldn't give it up for *anything*.
Most of my favourite art, and ALL the works (poems, pencil drawings, and paintings) I ever sold were created during the low state.
I think most great artists had this "problem", as you hear about the crazy things they did, or the alcohol problems they had, and etc.
It's like one of those super powers that comes with its own downside or consequence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558335</id>
	<title>manic depression is biopolar disorder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... it is not the 'depression' you may be lead to believe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... it is not the 'depression ' you may be lead to believe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... it is not the 'depression' you may be lead to believe.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28563609</id>
	<title>Schizophrenia != Multiple personalities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246526220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Note that schizophrenia and dissociative personality disorder (formerly multiple personality disorder) are two distinct conditions.</p><p>Schizophrenia is characterized by auditory and/or visual hallucinations, plus delusions.  See also <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Note that schizophrenia and dissociative personality disorder ( formerly multiple personality disorder ) are two distinct conditions.Schizophrenia is characterized by auditory and/or visual hallucinations , plus delusions .
See also http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Note that schizophrenia and dissociative personality disorder (formerly multiple personality disorder) are two distinct conditions.Schizophrenia is characterized by auditory and/or visual hallucinations, plus delusions.
See also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560425</id>
	<title>Sure, let's medicate it..</title>
	<author>Seth Kriticos</author>
	<datestamp>1246559400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always thought this kind of condition would have something to do with people having shitty jobs, financial troubles, dysfunctional families, partners spying on them to see if they are faithful or similar circumstances.<br><br>It's all about genes, what a relief. We just have to takes some more of those funny looking pills, and everything will be alright.<br><br>Now excuse me, I'll go kill myself.. should I bring something on the way back?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought this kind of condition would have something to do with people having shitty jobs , financial troubles , dysfunctional families , partners spying on them to see if they are faithful or similar circumstances.It 's all about genes , what a relief .
We just have to takes some more of those funny looking pills , and everything will be alright.Now excuse me , I 'll go kill myself.. should I bring something on the way back ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always thought this kind of condition would have something to do with people having shitty jobs, financial troubles, dysfunctional families, partners spying on them to see if they are faithful or similar circumstances.It's all about genes, what a relief.
We just have to takes some more of those funny looking pills, and everything will be alright.Now excuse me, I'll go kill myself.. should I bring something on the way back?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28561249</id>
	<title>Re:Clarification</title>
	<author>maxwell demon</author>
	<datestamp>1246561860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, and I thought it was economic depression and a schizophrenic financial system<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , and I thought it was economic depression and a schizophrenic financial system ... : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, and I thought it was economic depression and a schizophrenic financial system ... :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28562687</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>Polarism</author>
	<datestamp>1246566540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depacote caused massive weight gain in someone I know who was prescribed it.  They're on something else now.. not sure what.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depacote caused massive weight gain in someone I know who was prescribed it .
They 're on something else now.. not sure what .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depacote caused massive weight gain in someone I know who was prescribed it.
They're on something else now.. not sure what.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559669</id>
	<title>Re:Important findings</title>
	<author>Jellybob</author>
	<datestamp>1246557360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So very true, my fiance suffers from manic depression, with occasional paranoia, and it's terrifying when it happens. Obviously not enough to stop me marrying her, but still very scary.</p><p>Usually she's absolutely fine, and you wouldn't be able to tell if you didn't know, but every now and then something completely off the wall will happen. Recently I was going to sleep, when I noticed that she was sitting at the end of the bed crying. Turns out she was trying not to go to sleep, because she needed to stand guard in case anything happened in the night. Thankfully it's very rare, and usually there are other things which trigger it (in this case that we've just moved into a new house), but I'm still incredibly happy to see some progress being made to treating it more effectively.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So very true , my fiance suffers from manic depression , with occasional paranoia , and it 's terrifying when it happens .
Obviously not enough to stop me marrying her , but still very scary.Usually she 's absolutely fine , and you would n't be able to tell if you did n't know , but every now and then something completely off the wall will happen .
Recently I was going to sleep , when I noticed that she was sitting at the end of the bed crying .
Turns out she was trying not to go to sleep , because she needed to stand guard in case anything happened in the night .
Thankfully it 's very rare , and usually there are other things which trigger it ( in this case that we 've just moved into a new house ) , but I 'm still incredibly happy to see some progress being made to treating it more effectively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So very true, my fiance suffers from manic depression, with occasional paranoia, and it's terrifying when it happens.
Obviously not enough to stop me marrying her, but still very scary.Usually she's absolutely fine, and you wouldn't be able to tell if you didn't know, but every now and then something completely off the wall will happen.
Recently I was going to sleep, when I noticed that she was sitting at the end of the bed crying.
Turns out she was trying not to go to sleep, because she needed to stand guard in case anything happened in the night.
Thankfully it's very rare, and usually there are other things which trigger it (in this case that we've just moved into a new house), but I'm still incredibly happy to see some progress being made to treating it more effectively.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559655</id>
	<title>Re:Downside</title>
	<author>damien\_kane</author>
	<datestamp>1246557300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you are truly paranoid though, you extract your own tin and make it into foil then fold the foil into hats. Its the only way to be sure.</p></div><p>No, the only way to be sure is to nuke the site from orbit.
Yours is a distant second, though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are truly paranoid though , you extract your own tin and make it into foil then fold the foil into hats .
Its the only way to be sure.No , the only way to be sure is to nuke the site from orbit .
Yours is a distant second , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are truly paranoid though, you extract your own tin and make it into foil then fold the foil into hats.
Its the only way to be sure.No, the only way to be sure is to nuke the site from orbit.
Yours is a distant second, though.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559443</id>
	<title>Re:Clarification</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1246556700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. Especially in times, where people prefer to take meds, instead of healing their problems, it should always be made <em>very clear</em>, that <strong>there is a huge difference between genetic disorders, and environment-based disorders.</strong> And that <strong>there also is a huge difference between intoxication (bad food, toxic waste, polluted nature, etc) and purely psychological influences (evil people, mind-boggling events, wars, extreme mobbing, and especially bad parents)</strong>.</p><p>Because the last one can't be cured by and medicine at all! At least not in your lifetime.<br>It can only be partially overlayed, and numbed down, having more bad than good effects.<br>That kind has to be treated with a proper psychotherapy. With the help of someone, who does not fear to take you at the hand and help you go to the deepest and darkest place in your soul, to face it. Luckily this has a very good chance of really healing you.</p><p>But the genetic kind of course can only be treated with meds.</p><p>It is very important to make this distinction, for sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
Especially in times , where people prefer to take meds , instead of healing their problems , it should always be made very clear , that there is a huge difference between genetic disorders , and environment-based disorders .
And that there also is a huge difference between intoxication ( bad food , toxic waste , polluted nature , etc ) and purely psychological influences ( evil people , mind-boggling events , wars , extreme mobbing , and especially bad parents ) .Because the last one ca n't be cured by and medicine at all !
At least not in your lifetime.It can only be partially overlayed , and numbed down , having more bad than good effects.That kind has to be treated with a proper psychotherapy .
With the help of someone , who does not fear to take you at the hand and help you go to the deepest and darkest place in your soul , to face it .
Luckily this has a very good chance of really healing you.But the genetic kind of course can only be treated with meds.It is very important to make this distinction , for sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
Especially in times, where people prefer to take meds, instead of healing their problems, it should always be made very clear, that there is a huge difference between genetic disorders, and environment-based disorders.
And that there also is a huge difference between intoxication (bad food, toxic waste, polluted nature, etc) and purely psychological influences (evil people, mind-boggling events, wars, extreme mobbing, and especially bad parents).Because the last one can't be cured by and medicine at all!
At least not in your lifetime.It can only be partially overlayed, and numbed down, having more bad than good effects.That kind has to be treated with a proper psychotherapy.
With the help of someone, who does not fear to take you at the hand and help you go to the deepest and darkest place in your soul, to face it.
Luckily this has a very good chance of really healing you.But the genetic kind of course can only be treated with meds.It is very important to make this distinction, for sure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28568963</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>dickens</author>
	<datestamp>1246564140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>pity you can't bottle that stuff, and take it in small doses...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>pity you ca n't bottle that stuff , and take it in small doses.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pity you can't bottle that stuff, and take it in small doses...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28571155</id>
	<title>Another Pharmaceutical Trick?</title>
	<author>pendrag</author>
	<datestamp>1246632900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Guys, have you wonder if this is just another threat orchestrated by the big pharmaceuticals to keep the population sedated for not so clear clinical reasons?

Now, it turns out that the normal states of joy and sadness in any individual are prescribed with bipolarity by psychiatras and psychology experts.

Think about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Guys , have you wonder if this is just another threat orchestrated by the big pharmaceuticals to keep the population sedated for not so clear clinical reasons ?
Now , it turns out that the normal states of joy and sadness in any individual are prescribed with bipolarity by psychiatras and psychology experts .
Think about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guys, have you wonder if this is just another threat orchestrated by the big pharmaceuticals to keep the population sedated for not so clear clinical reasons?
Now, it turns out that the normal states of joy and sadness in any individual are prescribed with bipolarity by psychiatras and psychology experts.
Think about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558765</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1246554240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>by grub (11606)</p></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><p>Posted non-anonymously because it's not embarrassing or a big stigma.</p></div></blockquote><p>I applaud your courage, but I find it humorous that you feel you are posting non-anonymously when using an anonymous pseudonym.<br> <br>I know there's a lot of truth to the fact that our online personas, in the context of online interactions, are an analogue to our meatspace personas, and we have a sense of identity with them that is really not much different (if it differs at all) from our meatspace identities.<br> <br>But it still makes me chuckle.</p></div>
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<tokenext>by grub ( 11606 ) Posted non-anonymously because it 's not embarrassing or a big stigma.I applaud your courage , but I find it humorous that you feel you are posting non-anonymously when using an anonymous pseudonym .
I know there 's a lot of truth to the fact that our online personas , in the context of online interactions , are an analogue to our meatspace personas , and we have a sense of identity with them that is really not much different ( if it differs at all ) from our meatspace identities .
But it still makes me chuckle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>by grub (11606)Posted non-anonymously because it's not embarrassing or a big stigma.I applaud your courage, but I find it humorous that you feel you are posting non-anonymously when using an anonymous pseudonym.
I know there's a lot of truth to the fact that our online personas, in the context of online interactions, are an analogue to our meatspace personas, and we have a sense of identity with them that is really not much different (if it differs at all) from our meatspace identities.
But it still makes me chuckle.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558443</id>
	<title>that's absurd</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you're just hearing things...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you 're just hearing things.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you're just hearing things...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559779</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope.  My doctor offered me a choice: I could take lithium, which would make me closer to 'normal', or I could take lamotrigine (which wasn't approved until a few years ago) and be a functional hypomanic.  I chose the lamotrigine, and now I'm getting the best of both worlds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope .
My doctor offered me a choice : I could take lithium , which would make me closer to 'normal ' , or I could take lamotrigine ( which was n't approved until a few years ago ) and be a functional hypomanic .
I chose the lamotrigine , and now I 'm getting the best of both worlds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope.
My doctor offered me a choice: I could take lithium, which would make me closer to 'normal', or I could take lamotrigine (which wasn't approved until a few years ago) and be a functional hypomanic.
I chose the lamotrigine, and now I'm getting the best of both worlds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560947</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246560960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>I had the pleasure (and I do say this with complete sincerity) of dating a girl back in college who was suffering from bipolar disorder.  She was a photographer and a "crafter" by nature, and her manic periods were full of photography, knitting, etc.  Unfortunately, she was not all that able to capture her depressive states (which I feel that you incorrectly overgeneralize as being suicidal), and so did not have the chance to funnel her sadness into new art.  She had the low days quite a bit (made worse by medication that was targeted at depression instead of bipolar disorder, which cause rapid cycling of her emotional state).

I have met other people who were a little better at channeling their depressed states and made some really beautiful art.  A lot of creative drive can come from reflecting upon the sad times (why is so much music made around breaking up, loss, death, sadness, etc?), and those who can experience the wider rage of emotions more constantly can better capture them.

One of the problems, though, is that many people in the depressive state are upset by very small things - a song about how "my roommate left a damp towel on the bathroom floor and a dish in the sink and then the bus was five minutes late and I didn't want it to be five minutes late" might not be as gripping to the listener as it was to the person who happened to be depressed that day.

Oh yeah, and the above was an actual exchange that was made over the phone on one of her bad mornings.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had the pleasure ( and I do say this with complete sincerity ) of dating a girl back in college who was suffering from bipolar disorder .
She was a photographer and a " crafter " by nature , and her manic periods were full of photography , knitting , etc .
Unfortunately , she was not all that able to capture her depressive states ( which I feel that you incorrectly overgeneralize as being suicidal ) , and so did not have the chance to funnel her sadness into new art .
She had the low days quite a bit ( made worse by medication that was targeted at depression instead of bipolar disorder , which cause rapid cycling of her emotional state ) .
I have met other people who were a little better at channeling their depressed states and made some really beautiful art .
A lot of creative drive can come from reflecting upon the sad times ( why is so much music made around breaking up , loss , death , sadness , etc ?
) , and those who can experience the wider rage of emotions more constantly can better capture them .
One of the problems , though , is that many people in the depressive state are upset by very small things - a song about how " my roommate left a damp towel on the bathroom floor and a dish in the sink and then the bus was five minutes late and I did n't want it to be five minutes late " might not be as gripping to the listener as it was to the person who happened to be depressed that day .
Oh yeah , and the above was an actual exchange that was made over the phone on one of her bad mornings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had the pleasure (and I do say this with complete sincerity) of dating a girl back in college who was suffering from bipolar disorder.
She was a photographer and a "crafter" by nature, and her manic periods were full of photography, knitting, etc.
Unfortunately, she was not all that able to capture her depressive states (which I feel that you incorrectly overgeneralize as being suicidal), and so did not have the chance to funnel her sadness into new art.
She had the low days quite a bit (made worse by medication that was targeted at depression instead of bipolar disorder, which cause rapid cycling of her emotional state).
I have met other people who were a little better at channeling their depressed states and made some really beautiful art.
A lot of creative drive can come from reflecting upon the sad times (why is so much music made around breaking up, loss, death, sadness, etc?
), and those who can experience the wider rage of emotions more constantly can better capture them.
One of the problems, though, is that many people in the depressive state are upset by very small things - a song about how "my roommate left a damp towel on the bathroom floor and a dish in the sink and then the bus was five minutes late and I didn't want it to be five minutes late" might not be as gripping to the listener as it was to the person who happened to be depressed that day.
Oh yeah, and the above was an actual exchange that was made over the phone on one of her bad mornings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558273</id>
	<title>It's Not a "Disease"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's an Orientation.</p><p>Get with the program.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's an Orientation.Get with the program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's an Orientation.Get with the program.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558853</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246554600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The significant element that is common to Rivera, Siqueros, Picasso, Pollock, Van Gogh and Frida Kahlo is the expression of pain. (Bill Cannon)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The significant element that is common to Rivera , Siqueros , Picasso , Pollock , Van Gogh and Frida Kahlo is the expression of pain .
( Bill Cannon )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The significant element that is common to Rivera, Siqueros, Picasso, Pollock, Van Gogh and Frida Kahlo is the expression of pain.
(Bill Cannon)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558719</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>WilyCoder</author>
	<datestamp>1246554060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hell yeah! I was on a regimen of Sam-E in college. It put me into a hypomanic state. It was the best time of my life! I was sleeping 6 hours a night, full of energy, and wanted nothing more than to fuck all the college girls I saw. Very different from my usual bored apathetic state<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell yeah !
I was on a regimen of Sam-E in college .
It put me into a hypomanic state .
It was the best time of my life !
I was sleeping 6 hours a night , full of energy , and wanted nothing more than to fuck all the college girls I saw .
Very different from my usual bored apathetic state : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell yeah!
I was on a regimen of Sam-E in college.
It put me into a hypomanic state.
It was the best time of my life!
I was sleeping 6 hours a night, full of energy, and wanted nothing more than to fuck all the college girls I saw.
Very different from my usual bored apathetic state :D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28561091</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>Shadowhawk</author>
	<datestamp>1246561320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm guessing you never studied the scientific method. One point of data (anecdotal evidence) means nothing, even in a "soft science" like psychology.</p><p>The linked story says that both conditions can linked to "the same chromosomal neighborhoods", which is nowhere near the same thing as equating the two conditions (which the summary incorrectly implies). For my counter-point, my mother had bi-polar disorder. She never had any symptoms of schizophrenia or paranoia (and yes, I understand what those symptoms are), but looking back over my childhood, the manic and depressed periods are easy to recognize.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing you never studied the scientific method .
One point of data ( anecdotal evidence ) means nothing , even in a " soft science " like psychology.The linked story says that both conditions can linked to " the same chromosomal neighborhoods " , which is nowhere near the same thing as equating the two conditions ( which the summary incorrectly implies ) .
For my counter-point , my mother had bi-polar disorder .
She never had any symptoms of schizophrenia or paranoia ( and yes , I understand what those symptoms are ) , but looking back over my childhood , the manic and depressed periods are easy to recognize .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing you never studied the scientific method.
One point of data (anecdotal evidence) means nothing, even in a "soft science" like psychology.The linked story says that both conditions can linked to "the same chromosomal neighborhoods", which is nowhere near the same thing as equating the two conditions (which the summary incorrectly implies).
For my counter-point, my mother had bi-polar disorder.
She never had any symptoms of schizophrenia or paranoia (and yes, I understand what those symptoms are), but looking back over my childhood, the manic and depressed periods are easy to recognize.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28566683</id>
	<title>First AIDS, Now mental Illness...</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1246541280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Soon you will say Cancer has been cured as well, are we going to hit the singularity like a brick wall?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Soon you will say Cancer has been cured as well , are we going to hit the singularity like a brick wall ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Soon you will say Cancer has been cured as well, are we going to hit the singularity like a brick wall?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28568373</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>marty23571113</author>
	<datestamp>1246556280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>If you know how to harness HYPO manic energy with going over the line to true MANIC energy  (which you must be referring to as MANIC energy is totally unfocused - with the possible exception of sex) - please share this secret.  As the saying goes "many have tried and many have failed".  Harness such energy could be potentially game changing for the race.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you know how to harness HYPO manic energy with going over the line to true MANIC energy ( which you must be referring to as MANIC energy is totally unfocused - with the possible exception of sex ) - please share this secret .
As the saying goes " many have tried and many have failed " .
Harness such energy could be potentially game changing for the race .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you know how to harness HYPO manic energy with going over the line to true MANIC energy  (which you must be referring to as MANIC energy is totally unfocused - with the possible exception of sex) - please share this secret.
As the saying goes "many have tried and many have failed".
Harness such energy could be potentially game changing for the race.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559535</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1246557000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><i>I don't normally do angry rants</i> Glad to hear the meds are working (most of the time)...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't normally do angry rants Glad to hear the meds are working ( most of the time ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't normally do angry rants Glad to hear the meds are working (most of the time)...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559955</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1246558080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Exactly. One should note, that being religious essentially is a light schizophrenia. (Usually noting too bad though.) You can notice the extreme similarity in their behavior. (Being detached from reality. Using an inner reality, and basing cause and effect on it. Being unable to be reasonable or having huge lapses in logic and associations.)</p><p>I know that this will offend all religious people. And by definition they will not be able to accept that.<br>So I am sorry. But I just say it how it is. This does not mean I do not respect them or think they are worse humans. I value all humans equally. Period.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
One should note , that being religious essentially is a light schizophrenia .
( Usually noting too bad though .
) You can notice the extreme similarity in their behavior .
( Being detached from reality .
Using an inner reality , and basing cause and effect on it .
Being unable to be reasonable or having huge lapses in logic and associations .
) I know that this will offend all religious people .
And by definition they will not be able to accept that.So I am sorry .
But I just say it how it is .
This does not mean I do not respect them or think they are worse humans .
I value all humans equally .
Period. : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
One should note, that being religious essentially is a light schizophrenia.
(Usually noting too bad though.
) You can notice the extreme similarity in their behavior.
(Being detached from reality.
Using an inner reality, and basing cause and effect on it.
Being unable to be reasonable or having huge lapses in logic and associations.
)I know that this will offend all religious people.
And by definition they will not be able to accept that.So I am sorry.
But I just say it how it is.
This does not mean I do not respect them or think they are worse humans.
I value all humans equally.
Period. :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28563333</id>
	<title>Not surprising, but very important research</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246525380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As people have commented, yes, clinicians, sufferers etc. have long suspected there is a link between these illnesses, based on similarities between certain symptoms, mutual effectiveness of drug regimens like the atypical anti-psychotics, and so forth. However of course in science it is nice to have empirical evidence for such suspicions.</p><p>To me, while many of the comments were if anything a little above<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. standards, it was a bit disappointing to see (Clinical) Depression and Manic Depression / Bipolar Disorder conflated so readily in the OP. While we have good reason to suspect (again, more evidence would be nice) that the two exist on something like a continuous spectrum of mood disorders, nonetheless the distinction between them is a real one. I would know - I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder (Type I for those who care to observe the distinction) following a Manic episode which landed me in a psychiatric ward. I certainly found a great deal to empathise there with my fellow patients including several who were presumably Schizophrenic. I must say though I am glad I am not affected by the latter; it is undoubtedly tougher to live with, since at least with Bipolar you get a mixture of less rational periods (both up and down) with periods of relatively "normal" thinking and mood. So you get a mixed perspective of both more and less sane viewpoints, which I find valuable at least.</p><p>OTOH my dad has suffered from Clinical Depression throughout much of his life, which has included a period of severe substance abuse, so of course I have familiarity with that condition as well. Trust me, its really not the same thing. He has never felt inspired to become the prophet of a new religion, for example, or engaged in cryptic metaphorical conversations with other psych patients, or experienced paranoia strong enough to require sleeping at a family's friend's place to avoid a potential murderer. I have (and for what its worth have never touched any non-prescribed mind altering substance stronger than one or two puffs of pot in my entire life.) You only have to experience full blown Mania - or witness it first hand, so my friends and family tell me - to appreciate that Manic Depression is not really the same as plain old Depression.</p><p>So while labels aren't something that concern me a great deal, and I would be just as comfortable to be described with the term Manic Depression, I begin to appreciate why the medical community changed the name of this particular condition to try and reduce the possible confusion surrounding the terminology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As people have commented , yes , clinicians , sufferers etc .
have long suspected there is a link between these illnesses , based on similarities between certain symptoms , mutual effectiveness of drug regimens like the atypical anti-psychotics , and so forth .
However of course in science it is nice to have empirical evidence for such suspicions.To me , while many of the comments were if anything a little above / .
standards , it was a bit disappointing to see ( Clinical ) Depression and Manic Depression / Bipolar Disorder conflated so readily in the OP .
While we have good reason to suspect ( again , more evidence would be nice ) that the two exist on something like a continuous spectrum of mood disorders , nonetheless the distinction between them is a real one .
I would know - I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder ( Type I for those who care to observe the distinction ) following a Manic episode which landed me in a psychiatric ward .
I certainly found a great deal to empathise there with my fellow patients including several who were presumably Schizophrenic .
I must say though I am glad I am not affected by the latter ; it is undoubtedly tougher to live with , since at least with Bipolar you get a mixture of less rational periods ( both up and down ) with periods of relatively " normal " thinking and mood .
So you get a mixed perspective of both more and less sane viewpoints , which I find valuable at least.OTOH my dad has suffered from Clinical Depression throughout much of his life , which has included a period of severe substance abuse , so of course I have familiarity with that condition as well .
Trust me , its really not the same thing .
He has never felt inspired to become the prophet of a new religion , for example , or engaged in cryptic metaphorical conversations with other psych patients , or experienced paranoia strong enough to require sleeping at a family 's friend 's place to avoid a potential murderer .
I have ( and for what its worth have never touched any non-prescribed mind altering substance stronger than one or two puffs of pot in my entire life .
) You only have to experience full blown Mania - or witness it first hand , so my friends and family tell me - to appreciate that Manic Depression is not really the same as plain old Depression.So while labels are n't something that concern me a great deal , and I would be just as comfortable to be described with the term Manic Depression , I begin to appreciate why the medical community changed the name of this particular condition to try and reduce the possible confusion surrounding the terminology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As people have commented, yes, clinicians, sufferers etc.
have long suspected there is a link between these illnesses, based on similarities between certain symptoms, mutual effectiveness of drug regimens like the atypical anti-psychotics, and so forth.
However of course in science it is nice to have empirical evidence for such suspicions.To me, while many of the comments were if anything a little above /.
standards, it was a bit disappointing to see (Clinical) Depression and Manic Depression / Bipolar Disorder conflated so readily in the OP.
While we have good reason to suspect (again, more evidence would be nice) that the two exist on something like a continuous spectrum of mood disorders, nonetheless the distinction between them is a real one.
I would know - I was diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder (Type I for those who care to observe the distinction) following a Manic episode which landed me in a psychiatric ward.
I certainly found a great deal to empathise there with my fellow patients including several who were presumably Schizophrenic.
I must say though I am glad I am not affected by the latter; it is undoubtedly tougher to live with, since at least with Bipolar you get a mixture of less rational periods (both up and down) with periods of relatively "normal" thinking and mood.
So you get a mixed perspective of both more and less sane viewpoints, which I find valuable at least.OTOH my dad has suffered from Clinical Depression throughout much of his life, which has included a period of severe substance abuse, so of course I have familiarity with that condition as well.
Trust me, its really not the same thing.
He has never felt inspired to become the prophet of a new religion, for example, or engaged in cryptic metaphorical conversations with other psych patients, or experienced paranoia strong enough to require sleeping at a family's friend's place to avoid a potential murderer.
I have (and for what its worth have never touched any non-prescribed mind altering substance stronger than one or two puffs of pot in my entire life.
) You only have to experience full blown Mania - or witness it first hand, so my friends and family tell me - to appreciate that Manic Depression is not really the same as plain old Depression.So while labels aren't something that concern me a great deal, and I would be just as comfortable to be described with the term Manic Depression, I begin to appreciate why the medical community changed the name of this particular condition to try and reduce the possible confusion surrounding the terminology.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28568397</id>
	<title>This has got to be propaganda.</title>
	<author>terbo</author>
	<datestamp>1246556700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until something changes, I have to treat this as more propaganda.<br>When the same press release admits to many other factors in these<br>"diseases" and even its own "medicine" system to be at fault, this just<br>sounds like more dribble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until something changes , I have to treat this as more propaganda.When the same press release admits to many other factors in these " diseases " and even its own " medicine " system to be at fault , this justsounds like more dribble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until something changes, I have to treat this as more propaganda.When the same press release admits to many other factors in these"diseases" and even its own "medicine" system to be at fault, this justsounds like more dribble.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28563209</id>
	<title>a /. record for misleading story title</title>
	<author>cinnamon colbert</author>
	<datestamp>1246568160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>gosh, even the PR from the NIH can't make it sound that exciting: in ONE of the studies, the 2 diseases map IN PART to the same regions of the chromosome...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>gosh , even the PR from the NIH ca n't make it sound that exciting : in ONE of the studies , the 2 diseases map IN PART to the same regions of the chromosome.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gosh, even the PR from the NIH can't make it sound that exciting: in ONE of the studies, the 2 diseases map IN PART to the same regions of the chromosome...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559083</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246555440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... how would they determine how they are related in the first place? Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to the central nervous system.</p></div><p>Same way they diagnose people. They guess.</p><p>Psychiatry is the only industry where someone can present the same affect to 10 shrinks and get 10 different diagnoses. Trust me on this.</p><p>...and no, no Dianetics, e-meters, or Xenu for me, thanks for asking.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... how would they determine how they are related in the first place ?
Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to the central nervous system.Same way they diagnose people .
They guess.Psychiatry is the only industry where someone can present the same affect to 10 shrinks and get 10 different diagnoses .
Trust me on this....and no , no Dianetics , e-meters , or Xenu for me , thanks for asking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... how would they determine how they are related in the first place?
Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to the central nervous system.Same way they diagnose people.
They guess.Psychiatry is the only industry where someone can present the same affect to 10 shrinks and get 10 different diagnoses.
Trust me on this....and no, no Dianetics, e-meters, or Xenu for me, thanks for asking.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558371</id>
	<title>Depression vs. Bipolar</title>
	<author>david\_thornley</author>
	<datestamp>1246552680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The summary seems to confuse being depressive with being bipolar (i.e., manic-depressive).  Clinical depression is a common problem, and is generally treatable to some extent with drug and cognitive therapy.  Last I checked, bipolar was much less common and a lot less treatable.
</p><p>
So, it isn't going to lead to new treatments for two common problems.  It may well lead to new treatments for two problems, one of which is distinctly less common.  Those who are clinically depressed but not bipolar may well not benefit at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary seems to confuse being depressive with being bipolar ( i.e. , manic-depressive ) .
Clinical depression is a common problem , and is generally treatable to some extent with drug and cognitive therapy .
Last I checked , bipolar was much less common and a lot less treatable .
So , it is n't going to lead to new treatments for two common problems .
It may well lead to new treatments for two problems , one of which is distinctly less common .
Those who are clinically depressed but not bipolar may well not benefit at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The summary seems to confuse being depressive with being bipolar (i.e., manic-depressive).
Clinical depression is a common problem, and is generally treatable to some extent with drug and cognitive therapy.
Last I checked, bipolar was much less common and a lot less treatable.
So, it isn't going to lead to new treatments for two common problems.
It may well lead to new treatments for two problems, one of which is distinctly less common.
Those who are clinically depressed but not bipolar may well not benefit at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559625</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>Have Brain Will Rent</author>
	<datestamp>1246557240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know about its use with manic depression or schizophrenia but ECT is not the tool of choice for chronic depression. It is sometimes used in cases of severe depression that are drug and therapy resistant. In those cases it is more or less ECT or depression which may lead to suicide. And apparently it frequently does completely do away with the depression,and produces the negative effects you mention, but only lasts about 6 months and has to be repeated.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about its use with manic depression or schizophrenia but ECT is not the tool of choice for chronic depression .
It is sometimes used in cases of severe depression that are drug and therapy resistant .
In those cases it is more or less ECT or depression which may lead to suicide .
And apparently it frequently does completely do away with the depression,and produces the negative effects you mention , but only lasts about 6 months and has to be repeated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about its use with manic depression or schizophrenia but ECT is not the tool of choice for chronic depression.
It is sometimes used in cases of severe depression that are drug and therapy resistant.
In those cases it is more or less ECT or depression which may lead to suicide.
And apparently it frequently does completely do away with the depression,and produces the negative effects you mention, but only lasts about 6 months and has to be repeated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28564127</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246528200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lithium should not have been considered a long term medication unless it was absolutely necessary:  kidney damage. See wiki.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lithium should not have been considered a long term medication unless it was absolutely necessary : kidney damage .
See wiki .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lithium should not have been considered a long term medication unless it was absolutely necessary:  kidney damage.
See wiki.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560781</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>bmacs27</author>
	<datestamp>1246560420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be clear ECT is not the same thing as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep\_brain\_stimulation" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">DBS</a> [wikipedia.org] which is actually a promising therapy for a number of mental disorders.  In fact, as a neuroscientist I believe it has a brighter future than much of psychopharmacology as it is more easily localized, and the delivery is more easily controlled.  At a meeting this past month I heard some encouraging results from people working with depressed individuals using DBS.  They've made great progress in identifying the areas associated with reward processing and motivation.  That circuit has been fairly well identified, and seems to be involved with many neurological dysfunctions.  It's been used for successful treatment of parkinsons, etc...
<br> <br>
I'm not recommending that you go see the neurologist for your surgery if you feel a little sad.  I'm just saying that you should write off the potential for electrical therapy because of the crude understanding we had 50 years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be clear ECT is not the same thing as DBS [ wikipedia.org ] which is actually a promising therapy for a number of mental disorders .
In fact , as a neuroscientist I believe it has a brighter future than much of psychopharmacology as it is more easily localized , and the delivery is more easily controlled .
At a meeting this past month I heard some encouraging results from people working with depressed individuals using DBS .
They 've made great progress in identifying the areas associated with reward processing and motivation .
That circuit has been fairly well identified , and seems to be involved with many neurological dysfunctions .
It 's been used for successful treatment of parkinsons , etc.. . I 'm not recommending that you go see the neurologist for your surgery if you feel a little sad .
I 'm just saying that you should write off the potential for electrical therapy because of the crude understanding we had 50 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be clear ECT is not the same thing as DBS [wikipedia.org] which is actually a promising therapy for a number of mental disorders.
In fact, as a neuroscientist I believe it has a brighter future than much of psychopharmacology as it is more easily localized, and the delivery is more easily controlled.
At a meeting this past month I heard some encouraging results from people working with depressed individuals using DBS.
They've made great progress in identifying the areas associated with reward processing and motivation.
That circuit has been fairly well identified, and seems to be involved with many neurological dysfunctions.
It's been used for successful treatment of parkinsons, etc...
 
I'm not recommending that you go see the neurologist for your surgery if you feel a little sad.
I'm just saying that you should write off the potential for electrical therapy because of the crude understanding we had 50 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558883</id>
	<title>Re:Clarification</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246554720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The type cause by your wife leaving you is called "adjustment disorder with depressed mood", and they'll prescribe the same drugs as they prescribe for depression (SSRIs like Paxil and Zoloft).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The type cause by your wife leaving you is called " adjustment disorder with depressed mood " , and they 'll prescribe the same drugs as they prescribe for depression ( SSRIs like Paxil and Zoloft ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The type cause by your wife leaving you is called "adjustment disorder with depressed mood", and they'll prescribe the same drugs as they prescribe for depression (SSRIs like Paxil and Zoloft).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559569</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>jtev</author>
	<datestamp>1246557060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ECT is not the "Tool of Choice" to treat anything.  It's a very efective too, but it's also the tool of last resort.  It is unknown why the seizures correct mental health disorders, only that they do.  The fact that there are very bad side effects mean that it is not used except where other treatments have already failed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ECT is not the " Tool of Choice " to treat anything .
It 's a very efective too , but it 's also the tool of last resort .
It is unknown why the seizures correct mental health disorders , only that they do .
The fact that there are very bad side effects mean that it is not used except where other treatments have already failed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ECT is not the "Tool of Choice" to treat anything.
It's a very efective too, but it's also the tool of last resort.
It is unknown why the seizures correct mental health disorders, only that they do.
The fact that there are very bad side effects mean that it is not used except where other treatments have already failed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558471</id>
	<title>Re:I used to be schizophrenic</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246553100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was until I shot myself in the head after destroying the nations credit system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was until I shot myself in the head after destroying the nations credit system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was until I shot myself in the head after destroying the nations credit system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559241</id>
	<title>Just a wild guess but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246556040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would believe they first studied the subject for better part of a decade in university, got good enough reputation in their area of expertise that they were awarded large sum of money to research the subject, then spent lots of resources (money, skill and time) to come up with their results...</p><p>Honestly, if there was one or two sentences of explanation to sum all that up in a way that Joe Sixpack would understand it... That would be a lot more dubious.</p><p>To determine how reliable this research is we need to wait for experts to comment on it. I wouldn't trust Internet commenters' analysis of it any more than I would trust a PhD in neurology to code review my work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would believe they first studied the subject for better part of a decade in university , got good enough reputation in their area of expertise that they were awarded large sum of money to research the subject , then spent lots of resources ( money , skill and time ) to come up with their results...Honestly , if there was one or two sentences of explanation to sum all that up in a way that Joe Sixpack would understand it... That would be a lot more dubious.To determine how reliable this research is we need to wait for experts to comment on it .
I would n't trust Internet commenters ' analysis of it any more than I would trust a PhD in neurology to code review my work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would believe they first studied the subject for better part of a decade in university, got good enough reputation in their area of expertise that they were awarded large sum of money to research the subject, then spent lots of resources (money, skill and time) to come up with their results...Honestly, if there was one or two sentences of explanation to sum all that up in a way that Joe Sixpack would understand it... That would be a lot more dubious.To determine how reliable this research is we need to wait for experts to comment on it.
I wouldn't trust Internet commenters' analysis of it any more than I would trust a PhD in neurology to code review my work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558391</id>
	<title>All those making jokes...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Schizophrenia is not the same as dissociative identity disorder.  It means split mind, not split personality.  BUT don't feel too bad, ignorance about mental disorders is normal.</p><p>Also, schizophrenics are less likely to be violent than a person without Schizophrenia, except against themselves.  Schizophrenics' suicide rate is 1 in 10.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Schizophrenia is not the same as dissociative identity disorder .
It means split mind , not split personality .
BUT do n't feel too bad , ignorance about mental disorders is normal.Also , schizophrenics are less likely to be violent than a person without Schizophrenia , except against themselves .
Schizophrenics ' suicide rate is 1 in 10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Schizophrenia is not the same as dissociative identity disorder.
It means split mind, not split personality.
BUT don't feel too bad, ignorance about mental disorders is normal.Also, schizophrenics are less likely to be violent than a person without Schizophrenia, except against themselves.
Schizophrenics' suicide rate is 1 in 10.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559369</id>
	<title>A return to the pre-Thorazine days</title>
	<author>benwaggoner</author>
	<datestamp>1246556520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting.</p><p>Back before psychopharmaceuticals, schizophrenia and depression were thought to be very similar or even the same thing.  It was only once we had Thorazine (first antipsychotic) and then later tricyclics (first antidepressents) that in the clinical settings schizophrenia and depression began to be sorted much more distinctly, essentially based on the kinds of patients that got better with antipsychotics versus those that got better with antidepressants.</p><p>It's pretty common for diagnostic definitions to align with successful treatment methadologies, since "what will help" is the fundamental answer that diagnosis hopes to lead to.</p><p>Sounds like we're now getting back to the perspective of a half-century ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting.Back before psychopharmaceuticals , schizophrenia and depression were thought to be very similar or even the same thing .
It was only once we had Thorazine ( first antipsychotic ) and then later tricyclics ( first antidepressents ) that in the clinical settings schizophrenia and depression began to be sorted much more distinctly , essentially based on the kinds of patients that got better with antipsychotics versus those that got better with antidepressants.It 's pretty common for diagnostic definitions to align with successful treatment methadologies , since " what will help " is the fundamental answer that diagnosis hopes to lead to.Sounds like we 're now getting back to the perspective of a half-century ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting.Back before psychopharmaceuticals, schizophrenia and depression were thought to be very similar or even the same thing.
It was only once we had Thorazine (first antipsychotic) and then later tricyclics (first antidepressents) that in the clinical settings schizophrenia and depression began to be sorted much more distinctly, essentially based on the kinds of patients that got better with antipsychotics versus those that got better with antidepressants.It's pretty common for diagnostic definitions to align with successful treatment methadologies, since "what will help" is the fundamental answer that diagnosis hopes to lead to.Sounds like we're now getting back to the perspective of a half-century ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28568941</id>
	<title>Re:Clarification</title>
	<author>dickens</author>
	<datestamp>1246563840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless your wife left you because you were clinically depressed.  It can be hard to separate cause from effect sometimes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless your wife left you because you were clinically depressed .
It can be hard to separate cause from effect sometimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless your wife left you because you were clinically depressed.
It can be hard to separate cause from effect sometimes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560167</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>avandesande</author>
	<datestamp>1246558680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually I bet you there is a negative correlation between tooth brushing and intravenous drug abuse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually I bet you there is a negative correlation between tooth brushing and intravenous drug abuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually I bet you there is a negative correlation between tooth brushing and intravenous drug abuse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559251</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246556040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, my eyes have been opened to the Truth!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , my eyes have been opened to the Truth !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, my eyes have been opened to the Truth!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559643</id>
	<title>Re:I used to be schizophrenic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I laughed!<br>We did too!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I laughed ! We did too !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I laughed!We did too!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28565185</id>
	<title>Re:It's Not a "Disease"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246532700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congratulations on creating the most intentionally brain-hemorrhage inducing sentence I think I've ever seen on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. You win the internets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations on creating the most intentionally brain-hemorrhage inducing sentence I think I 've ever seen on / .
You win the internets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations on creating the most intentionally brain-hemorrhage inducing sentence I think I've ever seen on /.
You win the internets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558743</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1246554120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Taking mental illness seriously basically means admitting that "you" are chemical meat first and "willpower", "soul", or whatever only secondarily, if at all. That isn't what I'd call a wildly popular idea, so it isn't a huge surprise that almost any research on the biology of mental illness would draw some flack and immaturity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Taking mental illness seriously basically means admitting that " you " are chemical meat first and " willpower " , " soul " , or whatever only secondarily , if at all .
That is n't what I 'd call a wildly popular idea , so it is n't a huge surprise that almost any research on the biology of mental illness would draw some flack and immaturity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taking mental illness seriously basically means admitting that "you" are chemical meat first and "willpower", "soul", or whatever only secondarily, if at all.
That isn't what I'd call a wildly popular idea, so it isn't a huge surprise that almost any research on the biology of mental illness would draw some flack and immaturity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559791</id>
	<title>That's all very well but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about the slightly grumpy first thing in the morning disorder, or inability to concentrate when the neighbours are shouting at each other syndrome. Perhaps they could concentrate their efforts on the sitting in the basement coding malady.</p><p>Different doesn't mean ill. Psychiatrists suffer from the desire to interpret human characteristics which they aren't keen on as a syndrome. That inclination in itself is probably worthy of further study, and in my opinion should be top of the list. Trouble is we couldn't trust the psychiatrists with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the slightly grumpy first thing in the morning disorder , or inability to concentrate when the neighbours are shouting at each other syndrome .
Perhaps they could concentrate their efforts on the sitting in the basement coding malady.Different does n't mean ill. Psychiatrists suffer from the desire to interpret human characteristics which they are n't keen on as a syndrome .
That inclination in itself is probably worthy of further study , and in my opinion should be top of the list .
Trouble is we could n't trust the psychiatrists with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the slightly grumpy first thing in the morning disorder, or inability to concentrate when the neighbours are shouting at each other syndrome.
Perhaps they could concentrate their efforts on the sitting in the basement coding malady.Different doesn't mean ill. Psychiatrists suffer from the desire to interpret human characteristics which they aren't keen on as a syndrome.
That inclination in itself is probably worthy of further study, and in my opinion should be top of the list.
Trouble is we couldn't trust the psychiatrists with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558835</id>
	<title>Awesome but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246554540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slashdot won't be helped until the secrets of Aspergers Syndrome are "Unlocked"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot wo n't be helped until the secrets of Aspergers Syndrome are " Unlocked "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot won't be helped until the secrets of Aspergers Syndrome are "Unlocked"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559457</id>
	<title>Re:Need to slow down when reading the article titl</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246556700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about give them some Medical grade American-Grown skunk Cannabis, and monitor the changes!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about give them some Medical grade American-Grown skunk Cannabis , and monitor the changes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about give them some Medical grade American-Grown skunk Cannabis, and monitor the changes!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560105</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>bmacs27</author>
	<datestamp>1246558560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Back to the correlation is not causation crowd.  You do realize these are scientists.  They are smarter than you.
<br> <br>
Further, unless you were indicating that there is likely an inverse correlation here, it is unlikely to be significant.  People low on IV drug abuse are likely high on toothbrushing.  People high on IV drug abuse are also likely high on toothbrushing.  It's a horizontal line.  No correlation.
<br> <br>
That is of course unless you are talking about how people high on IV drug abuse are less likely to brush teeth, and hence there is an anti-correlation.  That's possible, I guess.  My hunch however is that isn't where you were going.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Back to the correlation is not causation crowd .
You do realize these are scientists .
They are smarter than you .
Further , unless you were indicating that there is likely an inverse correlation here , it is unlikely to be significant .
People low on IV drug abuse are likely high on toothbrushing .
People high on IV drug abuse are also likely high on toothbrushing .
It 's a horizontal line .
No correlation .
That is of course unless you are talking about how people high on IV drug abuse are less likely to brush teeth , and hence there is an anti-correlation .
That 's possible , I guess .
My hunch however is that is n't where you were going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back to the correlation is not causation crowd.
You do realize these are scientists.
They are smarter than you.
Further, unless you were indicating that there is likely an inverse correlation here, it is unlikely to be significant.
People low on IV drug abuse are likely high on toothbrushing.
People high on IV drug abuse are also likely high on toothbrushing.
It's a horizontal line.
No correlation.
That is of course unless you are talking about how people high on IV drug abuse are less likely to brush teeth, and hence there is an anti-correlation.
That's possible, I guess.
My hunch however is that isn't where you were going.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Clarification</title>
	<author>Peregr1n</author>
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	<htmltext>That would be CLINICAL depression. As in, the type caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain; as opposed to the type caused by your wife leaving you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be CLINICAL depression .
As in , the type caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain ; as opposed to the type caused by your wife leaving you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be CLINICAL depression.
As in, the type caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain; as opposed to the type caused by your wife leaving you.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Optimus6128</author>
	<datestamp>1246562040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Interesting example.</p><p>Sometimes you come into this world and it just happens to have a different brain chemistry than most other people. This might create conflicts or confuse people who aren't hanging regularly with people like you. Because they expect the usual norms and attitude that they are used to from common people. Yet, the notion of "disorder" means really that and the incompatibility. There is not a disorder really, just neurodiversity. The only thing that remains is to find who we really are (and how differently our brain works than the norm) and find a ballance between our different state and the general population.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting example.Sometimes you come into this world and it just happens to have a different brain chemistry than most other people .
This might create conflicts or confuse people who are n't hanging regularly with people like you .
Because they expect the usual norms and attitude that they are used to from common people .
Yet , the notion of " disorder " means really that and the incompatibility .
There is not a disorder really , just neurodiversity .
The only thing that remains is to find who we really are ( and how differently our brain works than the norm ) and find a ballance between our different state and the general population .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting example.Sometimes you come into this world and it just happens to have a different brain chemistry than most other people.
This might create conflicts or confuse people who aren't hanging regularly with people like you.
Because they expect the usual norms and attitude that they are used to from common people.
Yet, the notion of "disorder" means really that and the incompatibility.
There is not a disorder really, just neurodiversity.
The only thing that remains is to find who we really are (and how differently our brain works than the norm) and find a ballance between our different state and the general population.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p>It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.</p><p>What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:</p><ul><li> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Linus Torvalds</a> [microsoft.com] is an anagram of <b>slit anus or VD 'L,'</b> clearly referring to himself by the first initial.</li><li> <a href="http://www.geocities.com/stallmanus/" title="geocities.com" rel="nofollow">Richard M. Stallman</a> [geocities.com], spokespervert for the <b>G</b>aysex's <b>N</b>ot <b>U</b>nusual 'movement' is an anagram of <b>mans cram thrill ad.</b> </li><li> <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Alan Cox</a> [microsoft.com] is <i>barely</i> an anagram of <b>anal cox</b> which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.</li></ul><p>I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe <i>The Cathedral and the Bizarre,</i> is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. <i>Update:</i> Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for <b>secondary rim</b> and <b>cord in my arse.</b> It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.</p><p> <i>Update the Second:</i> It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Fetchmail</a> [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'</p><p>As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was <a href="http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/05/26/free\_love/index.html" title="salon.com" rel="nofollow">actually quoted</a> [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.</p><p>And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net] <a href="http://vagina.rotten.com/fecaljapan/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">slut</a> [rotten.com]!</p><p>Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] perversion of <a href="http://slashdot.org/features/99/07/22/173256.shtml" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">corrupting the innocence of young children</a> [slashdot.org]. To quote from the article linked:</p><p>'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'</p><p>Is this why you were touching your <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?</p><p>We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' <i>Is there any more doubt?</i> For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.</p><p>Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.</p><p>In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The <a href="http://www.redhat.com/" title="redhat.com" rel="nofollow">Slackware</a> [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of <b>claw arse</b>, a reference to the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The <a href="http://www.slackware.com/" title="slackware.com" rel="nofollow">Mandrake</a> [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for <b>dark amen</b> and <b>ram naked,</b> which is what they do.</p><p>Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexuals</a> [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is <a href="http://www.mandrake.com/" title="mandrake.com" rel="nofollow">Debian,</a> [mandrake.com] an anagram of <b>in a bed,</b> which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com], glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.</p><p>And <a href="http://www.debian.org/" title="debian.org" rel="nofollow">Red Hat</a> [debian.org] is secret <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.</p><p>The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">mount each other</a> [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.</p><p>The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously<tt>/anus</tt>, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no<tt>/opt</tt> mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.</p><p>More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love <tt>`man`</tt>, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out <tt>`man`</tt>. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.</p><p>Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit <i>gayness.</i> For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual <a href="http://www.amiga.com/" title="amiga.com" rel="nofollow">Windows</a> [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: <i>Faggot Anal Quest:</i> the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!</p><p>Even the title '<a href="http://www.geekizoid.com/" title="geekizoid.com" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [geekizoid.com]' originally referred to a <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice. <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/" title="kuro5hin.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexuals</a> [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, <a href="http://www.eff.org/" title="eff.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.eff.org/</a> [eff.org].</p><p>The editors of <a href="http://www.slashduh.org/" title="slashduh.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [slashduh.org] also have <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with <a href="http://pboy.com/shteatrfrk/images01/" title="pboy.com" rel="nofollow">excrement</a> [pboy.com]. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of <a href="http://smoke.rotten.com/bird/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">penis</a> [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, <a href="http://notslashdot.org/" title="notslashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Slashdot</a> [notslashdot.org] runs on <i>Apache!</i> </p><p>The <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/iis/" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Apache</a> [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.</p><p>And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.</p><p>To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And <a href="http://www.apple.com/macosx/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">BeOS</a> [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'</p><p> <b>FEEDBACK</b> </p><blockquote><div><p> <i>What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to <i>warn</i> them of the impending <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homo</a> [comp-u-geek.net]-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=mighty\%20jebus" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">mighty jebus</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's <a href="http://www.happy.bodysnatchers.co.uk/deadcunt/" title="bodysnatchers.co.uk" rel="nofollow">vagina</a> [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the <a href="http://www.hitler.org/" title="hitler.org" rel="nofollow">unknown liberator</a> [hitler.org].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of <i>Baywatch</i> until the very mention of <a href="http://fotm.rotten.com/fotm/vertical.html" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">Pamela Anderson</a> [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual <a href="http://www.zillabunny.com/express/" title="zillabunny.com" rel="nofollow">jism</a> [zillabunny.com].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?)</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=double\_h" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">double\_h</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the <a href="http://www.xbox.com/" title="xbox.com" rel="nofollow">PS2</a> [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, <a href="http://www.linux.com/" title="linux.com" rel="nofollow">NT</a> [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a <i>sin</i> in the eyes of the <a href="http://www.atheism.org/" title="atheism.org" rel="nofollow">Catholic church</a> [atheism.org]. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.</p><p>Secondly, this message is for <i>every</i> man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by <i> <a href="http://www.stileproject.com/" title="stileproject.com" rel="nofollow">a Black Man</a> [stileproject.com] </i>. Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=phee" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">phee</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that <a href="http://www.python.org/" title="python.org" rel="nofollow">Perl</a> [python.org] (standing for <b>P</b>ansies <b>E</b>ntering <b>R</b>ectums <b>L</b>ocally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'</p><p>One scary thing about <a href="http://java.sun.com/" title="sun.com" rel="nofollow">Perl</a> [sun.com] is that it contains hidden <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: <tt>LWP::Simple</tt> -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: <i>There are two colons next to each other!</i> As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'</p><p>And <a href="http://www.perl.org/" title="perl.org" rel="nofollow">PHP</a> [perl.org] stands for <b>P</b>erverted <b>H</b>omosexual <b>P</b>enetration. Didn't you know?</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa.</i> -- <a href="http://slashdot.org/users.pl?nick=Eimernase" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Eimernase</a> [slashdot.org], Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I <i>do</i> know that <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p> <i>*sniff*</i> That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the <a href="http://www.atheism.org/" title="atheism.org" rel="nofollow">Good Lord</a> [atheism.org]'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.</p><p>However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)</p><p>In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (<b>L</b>ove of <b>A</b>nal <b>N</b>aughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (<i>i.e.,</i> kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality!</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in <a href="http://slashdot.org/metamod.pl" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Metamoderation</a> [slashdot.org]. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???</p><p>If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived <i>forever!</i> Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I am compelled to document the foulness and <a href="http://www.catholic.net/" title="catholic.net" rel="nofollow">carnal depravity</a> [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?!</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>I sincerely hope you're <a href="http://www.geocities.com/signal\_sig/petri.html" title="geocities.com" rel="nofollow">Natalie Portman</a> [geocities.com].</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>What the <i>fuck?</i> </p><blockquote><div><p> <i>I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing <a href="http://www.comp-u-geek.net/" title="comp-u-geek.net" rel="nofollow">homos</a> [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again.</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Well bugger me!</p><blockquote><div><p> <i>ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you</i> -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot</p></div></blockquote><p>Fuck <i>right</i> off!</p><p>IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not <a href="http://www.linux.org/" title="linux.org" rel="nofollow">HURD</a> [linux.org], which is an acronym for '<b>H</b>uge <b>U</b>nclean <b>R</b>ectal <b>D</b>ilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the <a href="http://www.icopyright.com/" title="icopyright.com" rel="nofollow">Public Domain</a> [icopyright.com]. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the <a href="http://www.publicsource.apple.com/apsl/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">GPL</a> [apple.com] (<b>G</b>ay <b>P</b>enetration <b>L</b>icense) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest <a href="http://vagina.rotten.com/fecaljapan/" title="rotten.com" rel="nofollow">feces-encrusted</a> [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on <a href="http://www.adultmember.com/freshmeat/" title="adultmember.com" rel="nofollow">Freshmeat</a> [adultmember.com], but that name is <i>known</i> to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.</p><p>Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">homosexual</a> [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.</p><p> <b>Contributors:</b> (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double\_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.</p><p> <b>Current changes:</b> This version sent to <a href="http://slashdot.org/~Free\%20WIPO/" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow"> <em>FreeWIPO</em> </a> [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?</p><p> <b>Previous changes:</b> Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding <tt>`man`</tt> and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.</p><p> <b>ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... <i>Up your ass!</i> </b> </p></div>
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<tokenext>It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality, ' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux 's most outspoken advocates : Linus Torvalds [ microsoft.com ] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L, ' clearly referring to himself by the first initial .
Richard M. Stallman [ geocities.com ] , spokespervert for the Gaysex 's Not Unusual 'movement ' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad .
Alan Cox [ microsoft.com ] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.I 'm sure that Eric S. Raymond , composer of the satanic homosexual [ goatse.fr ] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre , is probably an anagram of something queer , but we do n't need to look that far as we know he 's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy 's rectum .
Update : Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse .
It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer .
Update the Second : It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [ microsoft.com ] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male ' -- a disgusting practise .
For those not in the know , 'felching ' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other 's rectum .
In fact , it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail , turning it into 'e-male .
'As far as Richard 'Master ' Stallman goes , that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [ salon.com ] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following : 'I 've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance, ' he says .
'It 's about being able to question conventional wisdom, ' he asserts .
'I believe in love , but not monogamy, ' he says plainly.And this is n't a made up troll bullshit either !
He actually stated this tripe , which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he 's a flaming homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] slut [ rotten.com ] ! Speaking about 'flaming, ' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot 's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz .
Although an obvious deviant anagram can not be found from his name , he has already confessed , nay boasted of the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [ slashdot.org ] .
To quote from the article linked : 'I 've got a rare kidney disease, ' I told her .
'I have to go to the bathroom a lot .
You can come with me if you want , but it takes a while .
Is that okay with you ?
Do you want a note from my doctor ?
'Is this why you were touching your penis [ rotten.com ] in the cinema , Jon ?
And letting the other boys touch it too ? We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot 's resident Gasbag .
' Is there any more doubt ?
For those fortunate few who are n't aware of the list of homosexual [ goatse.fr ] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code, ' a 'Gasbag ' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra ( or to use the common parlance , 'piss-pipe ' ) , then his homosexual [ goatse.fr ] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum .
This is , of course , when he 's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.Sick , disgusting antichristian perverts , the lot of them.In addition , many of the Linux distributions ( a 'distribution ' is the most common way to spread the faggots ' wares ) are run by faggot groups .
The Slackware [ redhat.com ] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear ' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes .
Furthermore , Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse , a reference to the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practise of anal fisting .
The Mandrake [ slackware.com ] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists , and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator .
It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked , which is what they do.Another 'distro, ' ( abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco, ' which is where homosexuals [ goatse.fr ] preyed on young boys in the 1970s ) , is Debian , [ mandrake.com ] an anagram of in a bed , which could be considered innocent enough ( after all , a bed is both where we sleep and pray ) , until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares .
'Woody ' is obvious enough , being a term for the erect male penis [ rotten.com ] , glistening with pre-cum .
But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato ' that they use .
This filthy term , again found in the secret homosexual [ goatse.fr ] 'Sauce Code, ' refers to the solo homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag , shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus , then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid .
The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato ' up his own rectum , squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.And Red Hat [ debian.org ] is secret homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] slang for the tip of a penis [ rotten.com ] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry !
For example , the 'supermount ' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration , which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland .
'Automount ' is used , on the other hand , because Linux users are all fat and gay , and need to mount each other [ comp-u-geek.net ] automatically.The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points .
' These are , plainly speaking , the different points of penetration .
The main one is obviously/anus , but there are others .
Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point ' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love ` man ` , even going so far as to say that all new Linux users ( who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda ) should try out ` man ` .
In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.Other areas of the system also show Linux 's inherit gayness .
For example , people are often told of the 'FAQ, ' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [ amiga.com ] users know what this actually means .
The answer is shocking : Faggot Anal Quest : the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags ! Even the title 'Slashdot [ geekizoid.com ] ' originally referred to a homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice .
Slashdot [ kuro5hin.org ] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting .
The Slashbots , of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [ goatse.fr ] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses , as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users , the depraved work of Satan , http : //www.eff.org/ [ eff.org ] .The editors of Slashdot [ slashduh.org ] also have homosexual [ goatse.fr ] names : 'Hemos ' is obvious in itself , being one vowel away from 'Homos .
' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco ' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco, ' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [ pboy.com ] .
( The best form of lubrication , they insist .
) Sometimes , these 'Taco Commodes ' have special 'Salsa Sauce ' ( blood from a ruptured rectum ) and 'Cheese ' ( rancid flakes of penis [ rotten.com ] discharge ) toppings .
And to make it even worse , Slashdot [ notslashdot.org ] runs on Apache !
The Apache [ microsoft.com ] server , whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS , is named after homosexual [ goatse.fr ] activity -- as everyone knows , popular faggot band , the Village People , featured an Apache Indian , and it is for him that this gay program is named.And that 's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.To summarise : Linux is gay .
'Slash -- Dot ' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy 's scrotum and anus .
And BeOS [ apple.com ] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers .
' FEEDBACK What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do .
I 'm scared I actually read this whole thing .
I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people .
This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this .
And actually take the time to do it too .
Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it 's early .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWell , the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code ' once .
Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer ( and have n't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel ' ?
) , this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race , as well as a few of the major animal species .
It has shocked and disturbed me , to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [ comp-u-geek.net ] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet .
You must work for the government .
Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot wo n't be able to continue or something , due to legal woes .
If i ever see your ugly face , i 'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass , after it 's nice and hot , to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotDoes n't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it 's way up my most sacred of sphincters ?
You 're beyond help , my friend , as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man .
Are you sure you 're not Eric Raymond ?
The government , being populated by limp-wristed liberals , could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [ goatse.fr ] child molesting Linux advocacy .
Hell , they 've given NAMBLA free reign for years !
you really should post this logged in .
i wish i could remember jebus 's password , cuz i 'd give it to you .
-- mighty jebus [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotThank you for your kind words of support .
However , this document shall only ever be posted anonymously .
This is because the 'Open Sauce ' movement is a sham , proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom .
I speak for the common man .
For any man who prefers the warm , enveloping velvet folds of a woman 's vagina [ bodysnatchers.co.uk ] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child .
These men , being common , decent folk , do n't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture .
I am the unknown liberator [ hitler.org ] .
ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWe should n't hate them , we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society .
This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [ rotten.com ] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [ zillabunny.com ] .
Actually , that 's not at all how scrotal inflation works .
I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum .
I 've never tried this , but you can read how to do it safely in case you 're interested .
( Before you moderate this down , ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation , or people who pay $ 1000 + for a game console ?
) -- double \ _h [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotWell , it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code ' is riddled with bugs that need fixing .
( The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me .
) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this , with their queer slogan : 'Given enough arms , all rectums are shallow .
' And anyway , the PS2 [ xbox.com ] sucks major cock and is n't worth the money .
Intellivision forever !
dude did u used to post on msnbc 's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotFor one thing , whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing , NT [ linux.com ] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film , enjoying the restriction enforced onto them .
Remember , a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [ atheism.org ] .
Clearly , the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor .
All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems .
It is the only route to salvation.Secondly , this message is for every man .
Computers know no colour .
Not only that , but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [ stileproject.com ] .
Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher .
And do n't forget that slashdot was written in Perl , which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace ' for comfort.... oh wait ; that 's something all you heterosexuals do.... I ca n't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them .
-- phee [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotAlthough there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman 's breasts , squirting one 's load up towards her neck and chin area , it should be noted that Perl [ python.org ] ( standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally ) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle, ' 'Pearl Nosering, ' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema .
'One scary thing about Perl [ sun.com ] is that it contains hidden homosexual [ goatse.fr ] messages .
Take the following code : LWP : : Simple -- It looks innocuous enough , does n't it ?
But look at the line closely : There are two colons next to each other !
As Larry 'Balls to the ' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation , Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it 's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing, ' whereby two homosexual [ goatse.fr ] queers spread their buttocks wide , pressing their filthy torn sphincters together .
They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone .
This is also referred to in programming 'circles ' as 'Parameter Passing .
'And PHP [ perl.org ] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration .
Did n't you know ?
Thank you for your valuable input on this .
I am sure you will be never forgotten .
BTW : Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars ?
Mars rulaa .
-- Eimernase [ slashdot.org ] , SlashdotWell , I do n't know about terraforming Mars , but I do know that homosexual [ goatse.fr ] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years .
That 's inspiring .
Keep up the good work , AC .
May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community , and make it pure again .
Yours , Cerberus .
-- Anonymous Coward , Slashdot * sniff * That brings a tear to my eye .
Thank you once more for your kind support .
I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [ atheism.org ] 's work , but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.However , I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus ' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot .
It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos ' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing , in intimate , exacting detail , how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals ; be they domesticated , wild , or mythical .
Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide , treating it as an 'extension ' to the Linux 'Sauce Code, ' for the sake of 'interoperability .
' ( The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind .
) In fact , sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties , ( Love of Anal Naughtiness , needless to say .
) , wherein they entice a stray dog , known as the 'Samba Mount, ' into their homes .
Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect , throbbing , uncircumcised members , conkers-deep , into the rectum , mouth , and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal .
Eventually , the 'Samba Mount ' collapses due to 'overload, ' and needs to be 'rebooted .
' ( i.e. , kicked out into the street , and left to fend for itself .
) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime ' in such situations .
Inspiring stuff !
If only all trolls were this quality !
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotIf only indeed .
You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible .
I recommend ' + 1 , Underrated, ' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [ slashdot.org ] .
Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture .
Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender ' ? ?
? If we can get just one of these postings up to at least ' + 1, ' then it will be archived forever !
Others will learn of our struggle , and join with us in our battle for freedom !
It 's pathetic you 've spent so much time writing this .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [ catholic.net ] that is Linux , in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow .
It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment .
As with any great open-source project , you need someone asking this question , so I 'll do it .
When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready ? ! ? !
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI could make an arrogant , childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0 , I wo n't release it for another 24 hours, ' but the truth of the matter is that I 'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two, ' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I 've even had chance to wipe .
I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel , you sexy hunk , you .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotI sincerely hope you 're Natalie Portman [ geocities.com ] .
Dude , nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading .
Try to distill the message , whatever it was , and maybe I 'll read it .
As it is , I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time .
10 seconds is all its gon na take M $ to whoop Linux 's ass .
Vigilence is the price of Free ( as in libre -- from the fine , frou frou French language ) Software .
Hack on fellow geeks , and remember : Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins .
Those godless , oil drench , bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons ( another fine , fine French word ) and eat that .
Anyway , try to keep your message focused and concise .
For concision is the soul of derision .
Way. -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWhat the fuck ?
I 've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I 'm impressed .
In particular , I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [ comp-u-geek.net ] tend to be full of .
Thank you again .
-- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotWell bugger me !
ooooh honey .
how insecure are you ! ! !
wann a little massage from deare bruci .
love you -- Anonymous Coward , SlashdotFuck right off ! IMPORTANT : This message needs to be heard ( Not HURD [ linux.org ] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator ' ) across the whole community , so it has been released into the Public Domain [ icopyright.com ] .
You know , that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [ apple.com ] ( Gay Penetration License ) that is no more than an excuse to see who 's got the biggest feces-encrusted [ rotten.com ] cock .
I would have put this up on Freshmeat [ adultmember.com ] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.Come to think of it , the whole concept of 'Source Control ' unnerves me , because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control, ' which is a description of the homosexual [ goatse.fr ] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation , thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver 's scrotum .
And 'Open Sauce ' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later .
Obviously , 'Closed Sauce ' is the only Christian thing to do , as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about .
Contributors : ( although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit ' that open 'sauce ' development has become ) Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , phee , Anonymous Coward , mighty jebus , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , double \ _h , Anonymous Coward , Eimernase , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward , Anonymous Coward .
Further contributions are welcome .
Current changes : This version sent to FreeWIPO [ slashdot.org ] by 'Bring BackATV ' as plain text .
Reformatted everything , added all links back in ( that we could match from the previous version ) , many new ones ( Slashbot bait links ) .
Even more spelling fixed .
Who wrote this thing , CmdrTaco himself ?
Previous changes : Yet more changes added .
Spelling fixed .
Feedback added .
Explanation of 'distro ' system .
'Mount Point ' syntax described .
More filth regarding ` man ` and Slashdot .
Yet more fucking spelling fixed .
'Fetchmail ' uncovered further .
More Slashbot baiting .
Apache exposed .
Distribution licence at foot of document .
ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates: Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
Richard M. Stallman [geocities.com], spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum.
Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse.
It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.
Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise.
For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum.
In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.
'As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says.
'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts.
'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either!
He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com]!Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz.
Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org].
To quote from the article linked:'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her.
'I have to go to the bathroom a lot.
You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while.
Is that okay with you?
Do you want a note from my doctor?
'Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon?
And letting the other boys touch it too?We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.
' Is there any more doubt?
For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum.
This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups.
The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes.
Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting.
The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator.
It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares.
'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com], glistening with pre-cum.
But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use.
This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid.
The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry!
For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland.
'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.
' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration.
The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others.
Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`.
In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness.
For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means.
The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com]' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice.
Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting.
The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org].The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.
' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com].
(The best form of lubrication, they insist.
) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings.
And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!
The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.To summarise: Linux is gay.
'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus.
And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.
' FEEDBACK  What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do.
I'm scared I actually read this whole thing.
I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people.
This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this.
And actually take the time to do it too.
Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWell, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once.
Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?
), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species.
It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net]-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.
You must work for the government.
Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes.
If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotDoesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters?
You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man.
Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond?
The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy.
Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!
you really should post this logged in.
i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you.
-- mighty jebus [slashdot.org], SlashdotThank you for your kind words of support.
However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously.
This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom.
I speak for the common man.
For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child.
These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture.
I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org].
ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWe shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society.
This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com].
Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works.
I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum.
I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested.
(Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?
) -- double\_h [slashdot.org], SlashdotWell, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing.
(The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.
) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.
' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money.
Intellivision forever!
dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotFor one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them.
Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org].
Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor.
All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems.
It is the only route to salvation.Secondly, this message is for every man.
Computers know no colour.
Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by  a Black Man [stileproject.com] .
Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.
And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them.
-- phee [slashdot.org], SlashdotAlthough there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.
'One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages.
Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it?
But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other!
As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together.
They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone.
This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.
'And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration.
Didn't you know?
Thank you for your valuable input on this.
I am sure you will be never forgotten.
BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars?
Mars rulaa.
-- Eimernase [slashdot.org], SlashdotWell, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.
That's inspiring.
Keep up the good work, AC.
May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again.
Yours, Cerberus.
-- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot *sniff* That brings a tear to my eye.
Thank you once more for your kind support.
I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org]'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot.
It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical.
Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.
' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.
)In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.
), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes.
Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal.
Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.
' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.
) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.
Inspiring stuff!
If only all trolls were this quality!
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotIf only indeed.
You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible.
I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org].
Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture.
Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'??
?If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever!
Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!
It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow.
It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.
As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it.
When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?!
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.
I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotI sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [geocities.com].
Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading.
Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it.
As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time.
10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass.
Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software.
Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins.
Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that.
Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise.
For concision is the soul of derision.
Way. -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWhat the fuck?
I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed.
In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of.
Thank you again.
-- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotWell bugger me!
ooooh honey.
how insecure are you!!!
wann a little massage from deare bruci.
love you -- Anonymous Coward, SlashdotFuck right off!IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org], which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com].
You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock.
I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com], but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum.
And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later.
Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.
Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double\_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward.
Further contributions are welcome.
Current changes: This version sent to  FreeWIPO  [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text.
Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links).
Even more spelling fixed.
Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?
Previous changes: Yet more changes added.
Spelling fixed.
Feedback added.
Explanation of 'distro' system.
'Mount Point' syntax described.
More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot.
Yet more fucking spelling fixed.
'Fetchmail' uncovered further.
More Slashbot baiting.
Apache exposed.
Distribution licence at foot of document.
ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!  
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559041</id>
	<title>Re:Downside</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1246555260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How do you know the government didn't put fake tin into the ground?  They do that, you know.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you know the government did n't put fake tin into the ground ?
They do that , you know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you know the government didn't put fake tin into the ground?
They do that, you know.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558767</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560445</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You make a very good point. Many of highly talented scientists suffered from these conditions; for example Norbert Wiener suffered from depression, Newton is suspected to have suffered from schizophrenia, and John Nash is schizophrenic as well. As you said, the mental edge is lost when using medication. As breakthroughs in math and other fields require mental superpowers, I really hope that not everyone who has the slightest symptoms is put on medication..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You make a very good point .
Many of highly talented scientists suffered from these conditions ; for example Norbert Wiener suffered from depression , Newton is suspected to have suffered from schizophrenia , and John Nash is schizophrenic as well .
As you said , the mental edge is lost when using medication .
As breakthroughs in math and other fields require mental superpowers , I really hope that not everyone who has the slightest symptoms is put on medication. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You make a very good point.
Many of highly talented scientists suffered from these conditions; for example Norbert Wiener suffered from depression, Newton is suspected to have suffered from schizophrenia, and John Nash is schizophrenic as well.
As you said, the mental edge is lost when using medication.
As breakthroughs in math and other fields require mental superpowers, I really hope that not everyone who has the slightest symptoms is put on medication..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558367</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558289</id>
	<title>Warning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BadAnalogyGuy (945258) is a scientologist.<br>If he contacts you about a free personality test, firmly refuse him.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BadAnalogyGuy ( 945258 ) is a scientologist.If he contacts you about a free personality test , firmly refuse him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BadAnalogyGuy (945258) is a scientologist.If he contacts you about a free personality test, firmly refuse him.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558243</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558367</id>
	<title>Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>grub</author>
	<datestamp>1246552620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>When I on lithium (~15 years ago) I found my creative spark had gone. Sure, the window of emotion had narrowed considerably, but the super-fast mental edge was lost. That made me even more depressed when the time came. Spoke with my doc, dropped all the meds (but can get lithium if I become Superman again)<br> <br>If you can harness it, manic depression is wonderful thing.<br> <br>Posted non-anonymously because it's not embarrassing or a big stigma.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I on lithium ( ~ 15 years ago ) I found my creative spark had gone .
Sure , the window of emotion had narrowed considerably , but the super-fast mental edge was lost .
That made me even more depressed when the time came .
Spoke with my doc , dropped all the meds ( but can get lithium if I become Superman again ) If you can harness it , manic depression is wonderful thing .
Posted non-anonymously because it 's not embarrassing or a big stigma .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I on lithium (~15 years ago) I found my creative spark had gone.
Sure, the window of emotion had narrowed considerably, but the super-fast mental edge was lost.
That made me even more depressed when the time came.
Spoke with my doc, dropped all the meds (but can get lithium if I become Superman again) If you can harness it, manic depression is wonderful thing.
Posted non-anonymously because it's not embarrassing or a big stigma.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28567893</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>electrons\_are\_brave</author>
	<datestamp>1246551660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>how would they determine how they are related in the first place? Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to the central nervous system </i> <p>

How "they" are related? By "they" you mean bipolar and schizophrenia? Apart from looking at the co-morbidity of the two conditions, they also use data from studies looking at rates in identical twins, non-identical twins, siblings who have various degrees of genetic overlap versus the overal prevelance. Plus, in a logical, theoretical sense there is diagnostic overlap -bipolar, in a severe from can include delusions, halluncinations, highly inappropriate behaviour, loss of inhibition, sleeplessness, irritability and paranioa, as can some forms of schizophrenia. Likewise, social withdrawal, lack of affect, hyposomnia ect which can occur in the depressed phase of bipolar can also occur in some sorts of schizophrenia. This is the same as any sort of medical diagnosis - both pneumonia, the flu and asthma involve breathing difficulties, so it's not too far fetched to think that there might be some common underlying mechanisms. So that points where to look. </p><p>

There's a lot more than this, of course. But epidemiology and reasoning are really the only is the only way you really can go, given that you can't ever get random assignment to conditions and can't "give" someone BP or schizo. So it's got to be correlation. </p><p>

If you meant something different by "they" then I'm not sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how would they determine how they are related in the first place ?
Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to the central nervous system How " they " are related ?
By " they " you mean bipolar and schizophrenia ?
Apart from looking at the co-morbidity of the two conditions , they also use data from studies looking at rates in identical twins , non-identical twins , siblings who have various degrees of genetic overlap versus the overal prevelance .
Plus , in a logical , theoretical sense there is diagnostic overlap -bipolar , in a severe from can include delusions , halluncinations , highly inappropriate behaviour , loss of inhibition , sleeplessness , irritability and paranioa , as can some forms of schizophrenia .
Likewise , social withdrawal , lack of affect , hyposomnia ect which can occur in the depressed phase of bipolar can also occur in some sorts of schizophrenia .
This is the same as any sort of medical diagnosis - both pneumonia , the flu and asthma involve breathing difficulties , so it 's not too far fetched to think that there might be some common underlying mechanisms .
So that points where to look .
There 's a lot more than this , of course .
But epidemiology and reasoning are really the only is the only way you really can go , given that you ca n't ever get random assignment to conditions and ca n't " give " someone BP or schizo .
So it 's got to be correlation .
If you meant something different by " they " then I 'm not sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how would they determine how they are related in the first place?
Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to the central nervous system  

How "they" are related?
By "they" you mean bipolar and schizophrenia?
Apart from looking at the co-morbidity of the two conditions, they also use data from studies looking at rates in identical twins, non-identical twins, siblings who have various degrees of genetic overlap versus the overal prevelance.
Plus, in a logical, theoretical sense there is diagnostic overlap -bipolar, in a severe from can include delusions, halluncinations, highly inappropriate behaviour, loss of inhibition, sleeplessness, irritability and paranioa, as can some forms of schizophrenia.
Likewise, social withdrawal, lack of affect, hyposomnia ect which can occur in the depressed phase of bipolar can also occur in some sorts of schizophrenia.
This is the same as any sort of medical diagnosis - both pneumonia, the flu and asthma involve breathing difficulties, so it's not too far fetched to think that there might be some common underlying mechanisms.
So that points where to look.
There's a lot more than this, of course.
But epidemiology and reasoning are really the only is the only way you really can go, given that you can't ever get random assignment to conditions and can't "give" someone BP or schizo.
So it's got to be correlation.
If you meant something different by "they" then I'm not sure.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558353</id>
	<title>So what is it?</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1246552620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Depression" of "<i>manic</i> depression"(aka bipolar disorder)? These are two very different things.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Depression " of " manic depression " ( aka bipolar disorder ) ?
These are two very different things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Depression" of "manic depression"(aka bipolar disorder)?
These are two very different things.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28561037</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246561200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ditto experience for me.  First reaction from people close to me was that I seemed slow or dull.  I suddenly couldn't do math like I used to.</p><p>Saw some interesting studies linking depression to swelling of the hippocampus (iirc), a part of brain also used for geospatial and (some) logical reasoning.</p><p>Other side effect: loss of sexual interest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ditto experience for me .
First reaction from people close to me was that I seemed slow or dull .
I suddenly could n't do math like I used to.Saw some interesting studies linking depression to swelling of the hippocampus ( iirc ) , a part of brain also used for geospatial and ( some ) logical reasoning.Other side effect : loss of sexual interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ditto experience for me.
First reaction from people close to me was that I seemed slow or dull.
I suddenly couldn't do math like I used to.Saw some interesting studies linking depression to swelling of the hippocampus (iirc), a part of brain also used for geospatial and (some) logical reasoning.Other side effect: loss of sexual interest.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558593</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>religious freak</author>
	<datestamp>1246553580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't normally do angry rants, but sometimes I'm surprised by the juvenile and compassionless attitudes of some people on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></div><p>I'd really love to know the average age of the typical<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. reader.  There are brilliant minds here, for sure, but I agree with you that some comments (outside of just this one story) and overall community attitudes are lacking in maturity.  I largely hope these attitudes are held by kids - smart kids, but kids nonetheless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't normally do angry rants , but sometimes I 'm surprised by the juvenile and compassionless attitudes of some people on /.I 'd really love to know the average age of the typical / .
reader. There are brilliant minds here , for sure , but I agree with you that some comments ( outside of just this one story ) and overall community attitudes are lacking in maturity .
I largely hope these attitudes are held by kids - smart kids , but kids nonetheless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't normally do angry rants, but sometimes I'm surprised by the juvenile and compassionless attitudes of some people on /.I'd really love to know the average age of the typical /.
reader.  There are brilliant minds here, for sure, but I agree with you that some comments (outside of just this one story) and overall community attitudes are lacking in maturity.
I largely hope these attitudes are held by kids - smart kids, but kids nonetheless.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28562385</id>
	<title>Re:manic depression is biopolar disorder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246565760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not the depression you're looking for... (Waves had) Move along.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not the depression you 're looking for... ( Waves had ) Move along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not the depression you're looking for... (Waves had) Move along.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559099</id>
	<title>Schizophrenia</title>
	<author>Elwar123</author>
	<datestamp>1246555560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was kinda caught off guard when I was diagnosed with Schizophrenia.



Me too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was kinda caught off guard when I was diagnosed with Schizophrenia .
Me too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was kinda caught off guard when I was diagnosed with Schizophrenia.
Me too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560957</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246561020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, ECT is not the treatment of choice for Bipolar and Schizophrenia. ECT is the treatment of choice for Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) that has not responded to medication and therapy. Although historically ECT was used for Bipolar and Schizophrenia treatment (and is still in limited use) it has been demonstrated to greatly improve symptoms of MDD.</p><p>As for memory loss with ECT there is evidence that short term (lasting less than 24 hours) memory loss occurs but this memory loss generally associated with the pre/intra and post procedure period.</p><p>"I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual"</p><p>There are soooo many things I don't understand, like how string theory helps physicists model matter/energy. With medicine 90\% of what the body does is not understood, we are mostly still treating people by changing input and measuring output with very little understood regarding what is going on in vivo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , ECT is not the treatment of choice for Bipolar and Schizophrenia .
ECT is the treatment of choice for Major Depressive Disorder ( MDD ) that has not responded to medication and therapy .
Although historically ECT was used for Bipolar and Schizophrenia treatment ( and is still in limited use ) it has been demonstrated to greatly improve symptoms of MDD.As for memory loss with ECT there is evidence that short term ( lasting less than 24 hours ) memory loss occurs but this memory loss generally associated with the pre/intra and post procedure period .
" I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual " There are soooo many things I do n't understand , like how string theory helps physicists model matter/energy .
With medicine 90 \ % of what the body does is not understood , we are mostly still treating people by changing input and measuring output with very little understood regarding what is going on in vivo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, ECT is not the treatment of choice for Bipolar and Schizophrenia.
ECT is the treatment of choice for Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) that has not responded to medication and therapy.
Although historically ECT was used for Bipolar and Schizophrenia treatment (and is still in limited use) it has been demonstrated to greatly improve symptoms of MDD.As for memory loss with ECT there is evidence that short term (lasting less than 24 hours) memory loss occurs but this memory loss generally associated with the pre/intra and post procedure period.
"I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual"There are soooo many things I don't understand, like how string theory helps physicists model matter/energy.
With medicine 90\% of what the body does is not understood, we are mostly still treating people by changing input and measuring output with very little understood regarding what is going on in vivo.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558543</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1246553340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can see how the mania would be potentially useful for harnessed. But the depression too? So when one wants to hang themselves in the garage or just stay in bad for days, how is that 'awesome'? Are you in a mania right now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see how the mania would be potentially useful for harnessed .
But the depression too ?
So when one wants to hang themselves in the garage or just stay in bad for days , how is that 'awesome ' ?
Are you in a mania right now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see how the mania would be potentially useful for harnessed.
But the depression too?
So when one wants to hang themselves in the garage or just stay in bad for days, how is that 'awesome'?
Are you in a mania right now?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558807</id>
	<title>Duh</title>
	<author>Areyoukiddingme</author>
	<datestamp>1246554420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anybody who has had long association with a manic-depressive already knew this.  I'm related to one.  The first time, he went completely manic.  Didn't sleep for a week, etc.  The last time he went around the bend, he DIDN'T go manic-depressive.  He went paranoid schizophrenic.  I can't believe any competent clinician hadn't already noticed that the same patient can easily exhibit symptoms of both, even at the same time.  Given that both are caused by imbalances in brain chemistry, and given that the same patient can be both, how big of a leap is it to notice that they're really just different manifestations of the same problem?</p><p>He's much better now, though he still prefers his own flights of fancy to reality.  But at least he's capable of distinguishing the two again.  After over a decade of on-again off-again lunacy, he's finally decided to take his meds regularly, and he, his therapist, and his mother have found an effective dosage (of Depacote, for the morbidly curious.  The stuff works very well, IF, and I repeat IF the dosage is precisely correct.  Too little does nothing.  Too much ruins the patient's ability to stay awake, let alone function.)  It is perhaps telling that regardless of whether he was manic, depressive, paranoid, or schizophrenic, his therapist wanted him to use Depacote.  Practitioners already know that the same drug can treat a patient with any of those symptoms.</p><p>So, at the risk of repeating myself... duh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody who has had long association with a manic-depressive already knew this .
I 'm related to one .
The first time , he went completely manic .
Did n't sleep for a week , etc .
The last time he went around the bend , he DID N'T go manic-depressive .
He went paranoid schizophrenic .
I ca n't believe any competent clinician had n't already noticed that the same patient can easily exhibit symptoms of both , even at the same time .
Given that both are caused by imbalances in brain chemistry , and given that the same patient can be both , how big of a leap is it to notice that they 're really just different manifestations of the same problem ? He 's much better now , though he still prefers his own flights of fancy to reality .
But at least he 's capable of distinguishing the two again .
After over a decade of on-again off-again lunacy , he 's finally decided to take his meds regularly , and he , his therapist , and his mother have found an effective dosage ( of Depacote , for the morbidly curious .
The stuff works very well , IF , and I repeat IF the dosage is precisely correct .
Too little does nothing .
Too much ruins the patient 's ability to stay awake , let alone function .
) It is perhaps telling that regardless of whether he was manic , depressive , paranoid , or schizophrenic , his therapist wanted him to use Depacote .
Practitioners already know that the same drug can treat a patient with any of those symptoms.So , at the risk of repeating myself... duh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody who has had long association with a manic-depressive already knew this.
I'm related to one.
The first time, he went completely manic.
Didn't sleep for a week, etc.
The last time he went around the bend, he DIDN'T go manic-depressive.
He went paranoid schizophrenic.
I can't believe any competent clinician hadn't already noticed that the same patient can easily exhibit symptoms of both, even at the same time.
Given that both are caused by imbalances in brain chemistry, and given that the same patient can be both, how big of a leap is it to notice that they're really just different manifestations of the same problem?He's much better now, though he still prefers his own flights of fancy to reality.
But at least he's capable of distinguishing the two again.
After over a decade of on-again off-again lunacy, he's finally decided to take his meds regularly, and he, his therapist, and his mother have found an effective dosage (of Depacote, for the morbidly curious.
The stuff works very well, IF, and I repeat IF the dosage is precisely correct.
Too little does nothing.
Too much ruins the patient's ability to stay awake, let alone function.
)  It is perhaps telling that regardless of whether he was manic, depressive, paranoid, or schizophrenic, his therapist wanted him to use Depacote.
Practitioners already know that the same drug can treat a patient with any of those symptoms.So, at the risk of repeating myself... duh?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558313</id>
	<title>I find it highly dubious</title>
	<author>ihatewinXP</author>
	<datestamp>1246552440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... how would you determine how they are related in the first place if you dont RTFA? Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to your understanding of them.</p><p>There, fixed it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... how would you determine how they are related in the first place if you dont RTFA ?
Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to your understanding of them.There , fixed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... how would you determine how they are related in the first place if you dont RTFA?
Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to your understanding of them.There, fixed it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28562495</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246566060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or maybe you can grow a pair and learn to act intelligently without doping yourself up on the next miracle med.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or maybe you can grow a pair and learn to act intelligently without doping yourself up on the next miracle med .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or maybe you can grow a pair and learn to act intelligently without doping yourself up on the next miracle med.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558711</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246554060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>QTL Mapping. Basically, compare gene expression patterns in the brains of those [usually mice] known to have the disorder vs. "normal" ones, and determine which genes are being expressed. Subtract out the common ones. Then do the same for those known to have a different disorder. Lather, rinse, repeat. The union of those trait loci is what's common to both. Large amount of commonality suggests a relationship.</p><p>See: www.genenetwork.org/home.html for more...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>QTL Mapping .
Basically , compare gene expression patterns in the brains of those [ usually mice ] known to have the disorder vs. " normal " ones , and determine which genes are being expressed .
Subtract out the common ones .
Then do the same for those known to have a different disorder .
Lather , rinse , repeat .
The union of those trait loci is what 's common to both .
Large amount of commonality suggests a relationship.See : www.genenetwork.org/home.html for more.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>QTL Mapping.
Basically, compare gene expression patterns in the brains of those [usually mice] known to have the disorder vs. "normal" ones, and determine which genes are being expressed.
Subtract out the common ones.
Then do the same for those known to have a different disorder.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
The union of those trait loci is what's common to both.
Large amount of commonality suggests a relationship.See: www.genenetwork.org/home.html for more...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559797</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246557720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>same story here- only less thn 2 years ago- i agree- it's awesome</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>same story here- only less thn 2 years ago- i agree- it 's awesome</tokentext>
<sentencetext>same story here- only less thn 2 years ago- i agree- it's awesome</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558337</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>$RANDOMLUSER</author>
	<datestamp>1246552560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Statistical correlation.  You know, like the link between tooth-brushing and intravenous drug abuse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Statistical correlation .
You know , like the link between tooth-brushing and intravenous drug abuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Statistical correlation.
You know, like the link between tooth-brushing and intravenous drug abuse.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558735</id>
	<title>DSM diagnostic criteria:</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1246554120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>poor impulse control, disinhibition, lack of concern for others, overly aggressive emphasis on one's own pleasure</p><p>this is the mental condition known as "internet troll"</p><p>familiarize yourself with the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders entry for this particular disorder, and show some sensitivity to those affected</p><p>your anger doesn't help in the care and treatment of the mentally altered. more compassion next time please for these poor suffering souls. thank you</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>poor impulse control , disinhibition , lack of concern for others , overly aggressive emphasis on one 's own pleasurethis is the mental condition known as " internet troll " familiarize yourself with the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders entry for this particular disorder , and show some sensitivity to those affectedyour anger does n't help in the care and treatment of the mentally altered .
more compassion next time please for these poor suffering souls .
thank you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>poor impulse control, disinhibition, lack of concern for others, overly aggressive emphasis on one's own pleasurethis is the mental condition known as "internet troll"familiarize yourself with the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders entry for this particular disorder, and show some sensitivity to those affectedyour anger doesn't help in the care and treatment of the mentally altered.
more compassion next time please for these poor suffering souls.
thank you</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558657</id>
	<title>Re:This is a very interesting finding</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1246553820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are very happy that a solution has been found.  REALLY HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!  JOY AND BUTTERFLIES OH THE WORLD IS WONDERFUL<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>oh what the heck, there is no point, I might as well just give up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are very happy that a solution has been found .
REALLY HAPPY ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
JOY AND BUTTERFLIES OH THE WORLD IS WONDERFUL ...oh what the heck , there is no point , I might as well just give up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are very happy that a solution has been found.
REALLY HAPPY!!!!!!!!!!
JOY AND BUTTERFLIES OH THE WORLD IS WONDERFUL ...oh what the heck, there is no point, I might as well just give up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558243</id>
	<title>This is a very interesting finding</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No it isn't, you moron. These people are lying. They're all lying.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No it is n't , you moron .
These people are lying .
They 're all lying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No it isn't, you moron.
These people are lying.
They're all lying.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28572299</id>
	<title>Re:Clarification</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1246639560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Specifically the "serotonin hypothesis" of endogenous depression seems to be a shambles. SSRIs help in some cases but it's clear that low seratonin levels aren't the underlying cause of depression, endogenous or otherwise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Specifically the " serotonin hypothesis " of endogenous depression seems to be a shambles .
SSRIs help in some cases but it 's clear that low seratonin levels are n't the underlying cause of depression , endogenous or otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Specifically the "serotonin hypothesis" of endogenous depression seems to be a shambles.
SSRIs help in some cases but it's clear that low seratonin levels aren't the underlying cause of depression, endogenous or otherwise.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558269</id>
	<title>I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... how would they determine how they are related in the first place?  Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to the central nervous system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... how would they determine how they are related in the first place ?
Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to the central nervous system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... how would they determine how they are related in the first place?
Especially given the complexity of these issues in their relation to the central nervous system.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559929</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From your link:</p><p>"There is considerable variability among practitioners in the frequency with which ECT is used as first-line/primary treatment or is only considered for secondary use after patients have not responded to other interventions.</p><p>The APA 2001 guidelines give the primary indications for ECT among patients with depression as a lack of a response to, or intolerance of, antidepressant medications; a good response to previous ECT; and the need for a rapid and definitive response (e.g. because of psychosis or a risk of suicide)."</p><p>Further:</p><p>"The 2001 APA ECT guidelines say that ECT is rarely used as a first-line treatment for schizophrenia but is considered after unsuccessful treatment with antipsychotic medication, and may also be considered in the treatment of patients with schizoaffective or schizophreniform disorder. The 2003 NICE ECT guidelines do not recommend ECT for Schizophrenia."</p><p>So, basically, yes, ECT is a treatment that is used, but generally only for people who really need treatment (mostly because of suicide risk) and don't respond to the first choices, which are usually anti-depressant / anti-psychotic medications. It's not something most practitioners leap to, unless they're extremely behind the times. Anti-psychiatry groups (like the Church of Scientology) like to grab onto ECT as an example of the horrors of treatment, because it does carry some severe drawbacks, and they tend to inflate ideas about how prevalent it is.</p><p>Side note: One of my best friends growing up had a severe case of treatment-resistant bipolar disorder, and his doctors tried all sorts of things, Lithium, other drugs, but never ECT, even though his other treatments were less than helpful.</p><p>Second side note: IANAP (I Am Not A Psychiatrist), but I am a student about to finish a Bachelor's in Clinical Psychology.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From your link : " There is considerable variability among practitioners in the frequency with which ECT is used as first-line/primary treatment or is only considered for secondary use after patients have not responded to other interventions.The APA 2001 guidelines give the primary indications for ECT among patients with depression as a lack of a response to , or intolerance of , antidepressant medications ; a good response to previous ECT ; and the need for a rapid and definitive response ( e.g .
because of psychosis or a risk of suicide ) .
" Further : " The 2001 APA ECT guidelines say that ECT is rarely used as a first-line treatment for schizophrenia but is considered after unsuccessful treatment with antipsychotic medication , and may also be considered in the treatment of patients with schizoaffective or schizophreniform disorder .
The 2003 NICE ECT guidelines do not recommend ECT for Schizophrenia .
" So , basically , yes , ECT is a treatment that is used , but generally only for people who really need treatment ( mostly because of suicide risk ) and do n't respond to the first choices , which are usually anti-depressant / anti-psychotic medications .
It 's not something most practitioners leap to , unless they 're extremely behind the times .
Anti-psychiatry groups ( like the Church of Scientology ) like to grab onto ECT as an example of the horrors of treatment , because it does carry some severe drawbacks , and they tend to inflate ideas about how prevalent it is.Side note : One of my best friends growing up had a severe case of treatment-resistant bipolar disorder , and his doctors tried all sorts of things , Lithium , other drugs , but never ECT , even though his other treatments were less than helpful.Second side note : IANAP ( I Am Not A Psychiatrist ) , but I am a student about to finish a Bachelor 's in Clinical Psychology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From your link:"There is considerable variability among practitioners in the frequency with which ECT is used as first-line/primary treatment or is only considered for secondary use after patients have not responded to other interventions.The APA 2001 guidelines give the primary indications for ECT among patients with depression as a lack of a response to, or intolerance of, antidepressant medications; a good response to previous ECT; and the need for a rapid and definitive response (e.g.
because of psychosis or a risk of suicide).
"Further:"The 2001 APA ECT guidelines say that ECT is rarely used as a first-line treatment for schizophrenia but is considered after unsuccessful treatment with antipsychotic medication, and may also be considered in the treatment of patients with schizoaffective or schizophreniform disorder.
The 2003 NICE ECT guidelines do not recommend ECT for Schizophrenia.
"So, basically, yes, ECT is a treatment that is used, but generally only for people who really need treatment (mostly because of suicide risk) and don't respond to the first choices, which are usually anti-depressant / anti-psychotic medications.
It's not something most practitioners leap to, unless they're extremely behind the times.
Anti-psychiatry groups (like the Church of Scientology) like to grab onto ECT as an example of the horrors of treatment, because it does carry some severe drawbacks, and they tend to inflate ideas about how prevalent it is.Side note: One of my best friends growing up had a severe case of treatment-resistant bipolar disorder, and his doctors tried all sorts of things, Lithium, other drugs, but never ECT, even though his other treatments were less than helpful.Second side note: IANAP (I Am Not A Psychiatrist), but I am a student about to finish a Bachelor's in Clinical Psychology.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28562285</id>
	<title>Re:Duh</title>
	<author>TheLink</author>
	<datestamp>1246565520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; They are failing to outgrow these normal childhood behaviours, which don't work so well once you leave the nest.<br><br>Leave the nest?<br><br>What's this crazy talk? We're fine here in our mom's basement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; They are failing to outgrow these normal childhood behaviours , which do n't work so well once you leave the nest.Leave the nest ? What 's this crazy talk ?
We 're fine here in our mom 's basement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; They are failing to outgrow these normal childhood behaviours, which don't work so well once you leave the nest.Leave the nest?What's this crazy talk?
We're fine here in our mom's basement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28568909</id>
	<title>Re:I used to be schizophrenic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246563360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice Enron reference. I'm assuming you're referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.\_Clifford\_Baxter or did I miss something?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice Enron reference .
I 'm assuming you 're referring to http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J. \ _Clifford \ _Baxter or did I miss something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice Enron reference.
I'm assuming you're referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.\_Clifford\_Baxter or did I miss something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558767</id>
	<title>Re:Downside</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246554240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you are truly paranoid though, you extract your own tin and make it into foil then fold the foil into hats. Its the only way to be sure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are truly paranoid though , you extract your own tin and make it into foil then fold the foil into hats .
Its the only way to be sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are truly paranoid though, you extract your own tin and make it into foil then fold the foil into hats.
Its the only way to be sure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559925</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ECT is idoitic moronic and just plain stupid. It's like stating that frying an egg will help it grow into a chick. ECT is good if you are a violent sociopath, then again so is a frontal labodamy.

ECT should be illegal in all countries. Your neural tissue was never designed to deal with that kind of shock.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ECT is idoitic moronic and just plain stupid .
It 's like stating that frying an egg will help it grow into a chick .
ECT is good if you are a violent sociopath , then again so is a frontal labodamy .
ECT should be illegal in all countries .
Your neural tissue was never designed to deal with that kind of shock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ECT is idoitic moronic and just plain stupid.
It's like stating that frying an egg will help it grow into a chick.
ECT is good if you are a violent sociopath, then again so is a frontal labodamy.
ECT should be illegal in all countries.
Your neural tissue was never designed to deal with that kind of shock.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558433</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Xaedalus</author>
	<datestamp>1246552920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Kudos to you for posting w/ your name. I agree, IF you can harness it then yes, it can be a wonderful thing. The sticky point is being able to harness it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Kudos to you for posting w/ your name .
I agree , IF you can harness it then yes , it can be a wonderful thing .
The sticky point is being able to harness it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kudos to you for posting w/ your name.
I agree, IF you can harness it then yes, it can be a wonderful thing.
The sticky point is being able to harness it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28563707</id>
	<title>But how to rescue it?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1246526520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This could be very bad for the tin foil hat industry.</p></div><p>Clearly this calls for a big government bailout!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This could be very bad for the tin foil hat industry.Clearly this calls for a big government bailout !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This could be very bad for the tin foil hat industry.Clearly this calls for a big government bailout!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559363</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246556460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ECT is a good example of why "psychiatry" is NOT a branch of science, but rather pseudo-science like chiropractic.</p><p>It was discovered that after having a seizure, people became docile and tended to have an upbeat mood.</p><p>So, some psychiatrist got the bright idea of shocking the fuck out of depressed and schizophrenic people. The electrocution produced seizures, and afterwards the patients were docile and had an upbeat mood (just ask 'em! "Do you feel as though you have an upbeat mood, or should I shock the fuck out of you again?").</p><p>The way Psychiatry is pursued is absolutely ridiculous.  They're experimenting with people's BRAINS here. They have no business monkeying around in there; they're barely competent to do so. No honest psychiatrist will claim that he really understands how the brain works. Yet they regularly deliberately alter brain chemistry and "see what happens".</p><p>Do you know what "Let's see what happens" means?  It means "If this drug doesn't make you act normal, we'll use another one on you, until you're either A) happy, B) a vegetable, or C) A little of A, a little of B".</p><p>The whole thing ought to be stopped.</p><p>As my final, irrefutable condemnation of psychiatry, I would like to point out that in the first half of the 20th century, tens of thousands of patients had their brains' frontal lobes DELIBERATELY DESTROYED WITHOUT ANESTHESIA by psychiatrists who felt it was easier to care for vegetables than active, thinking patients.</p><p>The WHOLE GOAL was to make the psychiatric staff's jobs easier.</p><p>They went straight from lobotomizing monkeys to performing this horrible operation on humans.</p><p>How many good people were destroyed during this period?</p><p>How many eccentrics -- that's YOU, slashdotters -- had their minds destroyed?</p><p>Psychiatry is evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ECT is a good example of why " psychiatry " is NOT a branch of science , but rather pseudo-science like chiropractic.It was discovered that after having a seizure , people became docile and tended to have an upbeat mood.So , some psychiatrist got the bright idea of shocking the fuck out of depressed and schizophrenic people .
The electrocution produced seizures , and afterwards the patients were docile and had an upbeat mood ( just ask 'em !
" Do you feel as though you have an upbeat mood , or should I shock the fuck out of you again ?
" ) .The way Psychiatry is pursued is absolutely ridiculous .
They 're experimenting with people 's BRAINS here .
They have no business monkeying around in there ; they 're barely competent to do so .
No honest psychiatrist will claim that he really understands how the brain works .
Yet they regularly deliberately alter brain chemistry and " see what happens " .Do you know what " Let 's see what happens " means ?
It means " If this drug does n't make you act normal , we 'll use another one on you , until you 're either A ) happy , B ) a vegetable , or C ) A little of A , a little of B " .The whole thing ought to be stopped.As my final , irrefutable condemnation of psychiatry , I would like to point out that in the first half of the 20th century , tens of thousands of patients had their brains ' frontal lobes DELIBERATELY DESTROYED WITHOUT ANESTHESIA by psychiatrists who felt it was easier to care for vegetables than active , thinking patients.The WHOLE GOAL was to make the psychiatric staff 's jobs easier.They went straight from lobotomizing monkeys to performing this horrible operation on humans.How many good people were destroyed during this period ? How many eccentrics -- that 's YOU , slashdotters -- had their minds destroyed ? Psychiatry is evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ECT is a good example of why "psychiatry" is NOT a branch of science, but rather pseudo-science like chiropractic.It was discovered that after having a seizure, people became docile and tended to have an upbeat mood.So, some psychiatrist got the bright idea of shocking the fuck out of depressed and schizophrenic people.
The electrocution produced seizures, and afterwards the patients were docile and had an upbeat mood (just ask 'em!
"Do you feel as though you have an upbeat mood, or should I shock the fuck out of you again?
").The way Psychiatry is pursued is absolutely ridiculous.
They're experimenting with people's BRAINS here.
They have no business monkeying around in there; they're barely competent to do so.
No honest psychiatrist will claim that he really understands how the brain works.
Yet they regularly deliberately alter brain chemistry and "see what happens".Do you know what "Let's see what happens" means?
It means "If this drug doesn't make you act normal, we'll use another one on you, until you're either A) happy, B) a vegetable, or C) A little of A, a little of B".The whole thing ought to be stopped.As my final, irrefutable condemnation of psychiatry, I would like to point out that in the first half of the 20th century, tens of thousands of patients had their brains' frontal lobes DELIBERATELY DESTROYED WITHOUT ANESTHESIA by psychiatrists who felt it was easier to care for vegetables than active, thinking patients.The WHOLE GOAL was to make the psychiatric staff's jobs easier.They went straight from lobotomizing monkeys to performing this horrible operation on humans.How many good people were destroyed during this period?How many eccentrics -- that's YOU, slashdotters -- had their minds destroyed?Psychiatry is evil.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558991</id>
	<title>Yeah, Yeah...</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1246555080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Problem is science doesn't really go that fast, and we're on a 24 hour news cycle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Problem is science does n't really go that fast , and we 're on a 24 hour news cycle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Problem is science doesn't really go that fast, and we're on a 24 hour news cycle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559227</id>
	<title>Roses are red,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246555980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Violets are blue.<br>
I'm schiophrenic,<br>
And so am I.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Violets are blue .
I 'm schiophrenic , And so am I .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Violets are blue.
I'm schiophrenic,
And so am I.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560101</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1246558500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In order to treat these conditions, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive\_therapy" title="wikipedia.org"> ECT </a> [wikipedia.org] is the tool of choice these days. It has its own detractors (me inclusive) for I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual.</p></div><p>from your wikipedia link (emphasis mine):</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Today, ECT is most often used as a treatment for <b>severe major depression which has not responded to other treatment</b>,[1] and is also used in the treatment of mania (often in bipolar disorder), catatonia and schizophrenia.</p> </div><p>Also:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>today, an estimated 1 million people worldwide receive ECT every year</p></div><p>To put that in context, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoloft" title="wikipedia.org">Zoloft</a> [wikipedia.org] has been prescribed 29 million times in 2007. I would not call  ECT a "tool of choice", so much as a "last resort".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In order to treat these conditions , ECT [ wikipedia.org ] is the tool of choice these days .
It has its own detractors ( me inclusive ) for I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual.from your wikipedia link ( emphasis mine ) : Today , ECT is most often used as a treatment for severe major depression which has not responded to other treatment , [ 1 ] and is also used in the treatment of mania ( often in bipolar disorder ) , catatonia and schizophrenia .
Also : today , an estimated 1 million people worldwide receive ECT every yearTo put that in context , Zoloft [ wikipedia.org ] has been prescribed 29 million times in 2007 .
I would not call ECT a " tool of choice " , so much as a " last resort " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order to treat these conditions,  ECT  [wikipedia.org] is the tool of choice these days.
It has its own detractors (me inclusive) for I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual.from your wikipedia link (emphasis mine):Today, ECT is most often used as a treatment for severe major depression which has not responded to other treatment,[1] and is also used in the treatment of mania (often in bipolar disorder), catatonia and schizophrenia.
Also:today, an estimated 1 million people worldwide receive ECT every yearTo put that in context, Zoloft [wikipedia.org] has been prescribed 29 million times in 2007.
I would not call  ECT a "tool of choice", so much as a "last resort".
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559387</id>
	<title>And here I thought..</title>
	<author>Drathos</author>
	<datestamp>1246556580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..that the Secret of NIMH was super-intelligent, magic using rats..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..that the Secret of NIMH was super-intelligent , magic using rats. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..that the Secret of NIMH was super-intelligent, magic using rats..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558307</id>
	<title>Need to slow down when reading the article titles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Achievement unlocked: Secrets of Schizophrenia and Depression!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Achievement unlocked : Secrets of Schizophrenia and Depression !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Achievement unlocked: Secrets of Schizophrenia and Depression!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28567821</id>
	<title>Re:I find this highly dubious...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246551060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Politics.  You'd get 11.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Politics .
You 'd get 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Politics.
You'd get 11.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28568649</id>
	<title>Bull Puckey</title>
	<author>zaivala</author>
	<datestamp>1246560120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They have yet to prove a chemical imbalance (or even test for it, except in cadavers), and their attempts to test for a genetic cause seem to consist of one group claiming they found something and another group saying, no, that's not provable, or we didn't find that in our subjects.  Why don't we just wake up and say that depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, or whatever label-of-the-month has an EMOTIONAL cause and DEAL WITH THE EMOTIONS THAT CAUSED IT.  Every blog out there by a survivor of bad psychiatry states this clearly, and almost 10\% of the psychiatrists themselves (in the US -- much larger percentages in Europe) have admitted it.<p>

Dr. Peter Breggin was published just Tuesday in The Huffington Post <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/medication-madness-how-ps\_b\_223922.html" title="huffingtonpost.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/medication-madness-how-ps\_b\_223922.html</a> [huffingtonpost.com] about the BS involved, and stated that when we are in crisis we need our entire abilities to help us get out -- and that psychiatric drugs ALL remove some part of these abilities.  </p><p>

Do you want to lose your ability to program or hack because some doctor slaps a diagnosis on you and poisons you with psych drugs until you can't even sit up without drooling?  Psychiatry is flat-out pessimistic about any "treatment" they have.  All diagnoses are "permanent" and "not curable but treatable", and are caused by a "chemical imbalance in your brain".  Then why is it that, with no treatment or declined treatment, over half of all "psychiatric patients" recover completely?  Get your act together, psychiatry is BAD SCIENCE or NONE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have yet to prove a chemical imbalance ( or even test for it , except in cadavers ) , and their attempts to test for a genetic cause seem to consist of one group claiming they found something and another group saying , no , that 's not provable , or we did n't find that in our subjects .
Why do n't we just wake up and say that depression , bipolar , schizophrenia , or whatever label-of-the-month has an EMOTIONAL cause and DEAL WITH THE EMOTIONS THAT CAUSED IT .
Every blog out there by a survivor of bad psychiatry states this clearly , and almost 10 \ % of the psychiatrists themselves ( in the US -- much larger percentages in Europe ) have admitted it .
Dr. Peter Breggin was published just Tuesday in The Huffington Post http : //www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/medication-madness-how-ps \ _b \ _223922.html [ huffingtonpost.com ] about the BS involved , and stated that when we are in crisis we need our entire abilities to help us get out -- and that psychiatric drugs ALL remove some part of these abilities .
Do you want to lose your ability to program or hack because some doctor slaps a diagnosis on you and poisons you with psych drugs until you ca n't even sit up without drooling ?
Psychiatry is flat-out pessimistic about any " treatment " they have .
All diagnoses are " permanent " and " not curable but treatable " , and are caused by a " chemical imbalance in your brain " .
Then why is it that , with no treatment or declined treatment , over half of all " psychiatric patients " recover completely ?
Get your act together , psychiatry is BAD SCIENCE or NONE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have yet to prove a chemical imbalance (or even test for it, except in cadavers), and their attempts to test for a genetic cause seem to consist of one group claiming they found something and another group saying, no, that's not provable, or we didn't find that in our subjects.
Why don't we just wake up and say that depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, or whatever label-of-the-month has an EMOTIONAL cause and DEAL WITH THE EMOTIONS THAT CAUSED IT.
Every blog out there by a survivor of bad psychiatry states this clearly, and almost 10\% of the psychiatrists themselves (in the US -- much larger percentages in Europe) have admitted it.
Dr. Peter Breggin was published just Tuesday in The Huffington Post http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-peter-breggin/medication-madness-how-ps\_b\_223922.html [huffingtonpost.com] about the BS involved, and stated that when we are in crisis we need our entire abilities to help us get out -- and that psychiatric drugs ALL remove some part of these abilities.
Do you want to lose your ability to program or hack because some doctor slaps a diagnosis on you and poisons you with psych drugs until you can't even sit up without drooling?
Psychiatry is flat-out pessimistic about any "treatment" they have.
All diagnoses are "permanent" and "not curable but treatable", and are caused by a "chemical imbalance in your brain".
Then why is it that, with no treatment or declined treatment, over half of all "psychiatric patients" recover completely?
Get your act together, psychiatry is BAD SCIENCE or NONE.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28570733</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246630080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In order to treat these conditions, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive\_therapy" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow"> ECT </a> [wikipedia.org] is the tool of choice these days. It has its own detractors (me inclusive) for I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual.</p><p>Worst of all you could lose all your memory. There was a story of a lady who did not remember anything about her clothes and wondered who had put "foreign" clothes in her closet. In another case, a former doctor could not remember who the hell he was after the procedure. Scary indeed.</p></div><p>In other words ECT caused this woman symptoms which mimic schizophrenia.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In order to treat these conditions , ECT [ wikipedia.org ] is the tool of choice these days .
It has its own detractors ( me inclusive ) for I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual.Worst of all you could lose all your memory .
There was a story of a lady who did not remember anything about her clothes and wondered who had put " foreign " clothes in her closet .
In another case , a former doctor could not remember who the hell he was after the procedure .
Scary indeed.In other words ECT caused this woman symptoms which mimic schizophrenia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order to treat these conditions,  ECT  [wikipedia.org] is the tool of choice these days.
It has its own detractors (me inclusive) for I do not see how inducing a seizure helps an individual.Worst of all you could lose all your memory.
There was a story of a lady who did not remember anything about her clothes and wondered who had put "foreign" clothes in her closet.
In another case, a former doctor could not remember who the hell he was after the procedure.
Scary indeed.In other words ECT caused this woman symptoms which mimic schizophrenia.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559085</id>
	<title>depression is a rational response to the world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246555440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>- in most cases. And is motivation to improve the human condition.</p><p>Mood-altering medication makes those who want to improve the world too apatheic to cause a fuss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>- in most cases .
And is motivation to improve the human condition.Mood-altering medication makes those who want to improve the world too apatheic to cause a fuss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- in most cases.
And is motivation to improve the human condition.Mood-altering medication makes those who want to improve the world too apatheic to cause a fuss.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558387</id>
	<title>Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>NoNeeeed</author>
	<datestamp>1246552740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With three comments, this article has already been tagged with "nutjobs".</p><p>Grow up.  Chances are you know someone who has (or will develop) one of these conditions to some degree, even if you don't know it (which is likely if you are that much of a jackass, they probably wouldn't tell you).</p><p>I don't normally do angry rants, but sometimes I'm surprised by the juvenile and compassionless attitudes of some people on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With three comments , this article has already been tagged with " nutjobs " .Grow up .
Chances are you know someone who has ( or will develop ) one of these conditions to some degree , even if you do n't know it ( which is likely if you are that much of a jackass , they probably would n't tell you ) .I do n't normally do angry rants , but sometimes I 'm surprised by the juvenile and compassionless attitudes of some people on / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With three comments, this article has already been tagged with "nutjobs".Grow up.
Chances are you know someone who has (or will develop) one of these conditions to some degree, even if you don't know it (which is likely if you are that much of a jackass, they probably wouldn't tell you).I don't normally do angry rants, but sometimes I'm surprised by the juvenile and compassionless attitudes of some people on /.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559071</id>
	<title>Am I really going to be the first. . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246555380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>. . . to suggest that this is the Secret of NIMH?</p><p>I'm disappointed in you Slashdot. Very Disappointed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
to suggest that this is the Secret of NIMH ? I 'm disappointed in you Slashdot .
Very Disappointed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .
to suggest that this is the Secret of NIMH?I'm disappointed in you Slashdot.
Very Disappointed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28560249</id>
	<title>Re:Need to slow down when reading the article titl</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Achievement unlocked! you have watched your 10,000,000 hour of pr0n.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Achievement unlocked !
you have watched your 10,000,000 hour of pr0n .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Achievement unlocked!
you have watched your 10,000,000 hour of pr0n.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559521</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>Have Brain Will Rent</author>
	<datestamp>1246556940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like lithium I think that a lot of the anti-depressants, perhaps most or even all, aren't so much anti-depressants as they are mood stabilizers. They act to compress your emotional range... they so no more big lows, but also no more big highs either... life becomes less sad but it also becomes less joyful. Better than ending up suicidal but a poor solution at best.<br> <br>
And I agree, mental health issues should not be embarrassing or a stigma any more than is a malfunctioning bile duct or arthritis. Unfortunately they still are a magnet for discrimination of all sorts. So good for you for being non-anonymous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like lithium I think that a lot of the anti-depressants , perhaps most or even all , are n't so much anti-depressants as they are mood stabilizers .
They act to compress your emotional range... they so no more big lows , but also no more big highs either... life becomes less sad but it also becomes less joyful .
Better than ending up suicidal but a poor solution at best .
And I agree , mental health issues should not be embarrassing or a stigma any more than is a malfunctioning bile duct or arthritis .
Unfortunately they still are a magnet for discrimination of all sorts .
So good for you for being non-anonymous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like lithium I think that a lot of the anti-depressants, perhaps most or even all, aren't so much anti-depressants as they are mood stabilizers.
They act to compress your emotional range... they so no more big lows, but also no more big highs either... life becomes less sad but it also becomes less joyful.
Better than ending up suicidal but a poor solution at best.
And I agree, mental health issues should not be embarrassing or a stigma any more than is a malfunctioning bile duct or arthritis.
Unfortunately they still are a magnet for discrimination of all sorts.
So good for you for being non-anonymous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28570161</id>
	<title>story</title>
	<author>Gar-fonz</author>
	<datestamp>1246624560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am not a student of the Psychiatric discipline.  I have learned through my experiences and reflection to manage my thoughts.  I was  'diagnosed' with Schizophrenia a few years ago, and took Risperdal for about 2 1/2 years.  During the first six months of the 2.5 years, my dosage increased from 0.5 mg to 4 mg.  I stopped taking the medicine in October, 2008.  The  voices returned in about 2-4 weeks.

"People with schizophrenia have reduced brain receptors for the dopamine messenger. "
from:
<a href="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/unlocked-the-secrets-of-schizophrenia-1727987.html" title="independent.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/unlocked-the-secrets-of-schizophrenia-1727987.html</a> [independent.co.uk]


I believe that this is inconsistent with 'facts' that my ex-psychiatrist told me ( although I could be remembering wrong, which just creates the need to investigate the facts that scientists have found by means that, well, I do not possess knowledge of).  I thought that Schizophrenia is a result of an overproduction of dopamine, oh, oops, now I get it.\   I think the Risperdal is supposed to suppress the production of dopamine, perhaps the surplus of the messenger creates the hallucination.

For me, the hallucinations are (attempting mental reconstruction to change the present state of is to past tense) my interpretation of the source of the voices.  I used to think that other people's thoughts were being transmitted into my mind.  I honestly believed it was, just because the 'hear-think' (that's my term for the voices) always had personal information about me, and well, I was around people that would have facts to produce the analysis (negative at first...). I used to conclude that the voices were not invoked by my volition.  Well, yeah, OK, whatever, let's shoot that one down.  How do I know that it isn't just my brain using the presence of the those around me, to help me realize new perceptions on past situations in order to affect my future choices in a way that I perceive will increase my self-image.  Typing of self-image, maybe my mind/soul/etc is just creating a way to reflect so that my volition doesn't have to be the naysayer.  With my mind operating this way, I can now respond to the critique of the voices, as if I am holding a conversation in my mind.  Oh yeah, one interesting thing about hear-think is that is seems to be occurring outside of my body, in a variety of locations in space. I hear male and female voices, with classic gender roles intact, with a varying degree of acuity in expression, tone, knowledge, and insight.  I think the longest phrase lasted between 1-2 minutes.  Another unusual occurrence is how in sync the voices can be with my surroundings, meaning that the voices will match body language of other people, and the hear-think seems to be originating from their bodies.  I think that I am just imagining an interpretation.

the real struggle for me was learning not to trust the voices by using scientific method, by testing their validity against family and friends.

 have heart.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not a student of the Psychiatric discipline .
I have learned through my experiences and reflection to manage my thoughts .
I was 'diagnosed ' with Schizophrenia a few years ago , and took Risperdal for about 2 1/2 years .
During the first six months of the 2.5 years , my dosage increased from 0.5 mg to 4 mg. I stopped taking the medicine in October , 2008 .
The voices returned in about 2-4 weeks .
" People with schizophrenia have reduced brain receptors for the dopamine messenger .
" from : http : //www.independent.co.uk/news/science/unlocked-the-secrets-of-schizophrenia-1727987.html [ independent.co.uk ] I believe that this is inconsistent with 'facts ' that my ex-psychiatrist told me ( although I could be remembering wrong , which just creates the need to investigate the facts that scientists have found by means that , well , I do not possess knowledge of ) .
I thought that Schizophrenia is a result of an overproduction of dopamine , oh , oops , now I get it. \ I think the Risperdal is supposed to suppress the production of dopamine , perhaps the surplus of the messenger creates the hallucination .
For me , the hallucinations are ( attempting mental reconstruction to change the present state of is to past tense ) my interpretation of the source of the voices .
I used to think that other people 's thoughts were being transmitted into my mind .
I honestly believed it was , just because the 'hear-think ' ( that 's my term for the voices ) always had personal information about me , and well , I was around people that would have facts to produce the analysis ( negative at first... ) .
I used to conclude that the voices were not invoked by my volition .
Well , yeah , OK , whatever , let 's shoot that one down .
How do I know that it is n't just my brain using the presence of the those around me , to help me realize new perceptions on past situations in order to affect my future choices in a way that I perceive will increase my self-image .
Typing of self-image , maybe my mind/soul/etc is just creating a way to reflect so that my volition does n't have to be the naysayer .
With my mind operating this way , I can now respond to the critique of the voices , as if I am holding a conversation in my mind .
Oh yeah , one interesting thing about hear-think is that is seems to be occurring outside of my body , in a variety of locations in space .
I hear male and female voices , with classic gender roles intact , with a varying degree of acuity in expression , tone , knowledge , and insight .
I think the longest phrase lasted between 1-2 minutes .
Another unusual occurrence is how in sync the voices can be with my surroundings , meaning that the voices will match body language of other people , and the hear-think seems to be originating from their bodies .
I think that I am just imagining an interpretation .
the real struggle for me was learning not to trust the voices by using scientific method , by testing their validity against family and friends .
have heart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not a student of the Psychiatric discipline.
I have learned through my experiences and reflection to manage my thoughts.
I was  'diagnosed' with Schizophrenia a few years ago, and took Risperdal for about 2 1/2 years.
During the first six months of the 2.5 years, my dosage increased from 0.5 mg to 4 mg.  I stopped taking the medicine in October, 2008.
The  voices returned in about 2-4 weeks.
"People with schizophrenia have reduced brain receptors for the dopamine messenger.
"
from:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/unlocked-the-secrets-of-schizophrenia-1727987.html [independent.co.uk]


I believe that this is inconsistent with 'facts' that my ex-psychiatrist told me ( although I could be remembering wrong, which just creates the need to investigate the facts that scientists have found by means that, well, I do not possess knowledge of).
I thought that Schizophrenia is a result of an overproduction of dopamine, oh, oops, now I get it.\   I think the Risperdal is supposed to suppress the production of dopamine, perhaps the surplus of the messenger creates the hallucination.
For me, the hallucinations are (attempting mental reconstruction to change the present state of is to past tense) my interpretation of the source of the voices.
I used to think that other people's thoughts were being transmitted into my mind.
I honestly believed it was, just because the 'hear-think' (that's my term for the voices) always had personal information about me, and well, I was around people that would have facts to produce the analysis (negative at first...).
I used to conclude that the voices were not invoked by my volition.
Well, yeah, OK, whatever, let's shoot that one down.
How do I know that it isn't just my brain using the presence of the those around me, to help me realize new perceptions on past situations in order to affect my future choices in a way that I perceive will increase my self-image.
Typing of self-image, maybe my mind/soul/etc is just creating a way to reflect so that my volition doesn't have to be the naysayer.
With my mind operating this way, I can now respond to the critique of the voices, as if I am holding a conversation in my mind.
Oh yeah, one interesting thing about hear-think is that is seems to be occurring outside of my body, in a variety of locations in space.
I hear male and female voices, with classic gender roles intact, with a varying degree of acuity in expression, tone, knowledge, and insight.
I think the longest phrase lasted between 1-2 minutes.
Another unusual occurrence is how in sync the voices can be with my surroundings, meaning that the voices will match body language of other people, and the hear-think seems to be originating from their bodies.
I think that I am just imagining an interpretation.
the real struggle for me was learning not to trust the voices by using scientific method, by testing their validity against family and friends.
have heart.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28570001</id>
	<title>Re:This is what is being done now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246621980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In order to treat these conditions, ECT is the tool of choice these days.<br>[<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... ]<br>Worst of all you could lose all your memory.</p></div><p>I for one would rather welcome that side effect<br>where do I sign up?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In order to treat these conditions , ECT is the tool of choice these days .
[ ... ] Worst of all you could lose all your memory.I for one would rather welcome that side effectwhere do I sign up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In order to treat these conditions, ECT is the tool of choice these days.
[ ... ]Worst of all you could lose all your memory.I for one would rather welcome that side effectwhere do I sign up?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28559347</id>
	<title>Re:Manic Depression is awesome</title>
	<author>arb phd slp</author>
	<datestamp>1246556460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mania can be just as dangerous as depression, especially since depression doesn't always lead to suicidal thoughts. I used to work at a rehab for people with traumatic brain injuries and behavior impairments and we had a lot of people who got their brain injury because they were in a manic phase and did something really crazy and got hurt.<br>Bipolar disorder can be tough with an intact frontal lobe. With a damaged frontal lobe, you're not going to be "harnessing" anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mania can be just as dangerous as depression , especially since depression does n't always lead to suicidal thoughts .
I used to work at a rehab for people with traumatic brain injuries and behavior impairments and we had a lot of people who got their brain injury because they were in a manic phase and did something really crazy and got hurt.Bipolar disorder can be tough with an intact frontal lobe .
With a damaged frontal lobe , you 're not going to be " harnessing " anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mania can be just as dangerous as depression, especially since depression doesn't always lead to suicidal thoughts.
I used to work at a rehab for people with traumatic brain injuries and behavior impairments and we had a lot of people who got their brain injury because they were in a manic phase and did something really crazy and got hurt.Bipolar disorder can be tough with an intact frontal lobe.
With a damaged frontal lobe, you're not going to be "harnessing" anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28575165</id>
	<title>Hold off on the party</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1246615920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Claiming that the secrets are unlocked is WAY premature. What we have is a tantalizing hint and some new information.</p><p>They have found through statistical analysis several hundred genes that seem to contribute to the odds of suffering schizophrenia or depression.</p><p>As for what those genes do? "some of them somehow influence the immune system. That's it, full stop. They do some unknown thing that causes some unknown thing that makes it more likely that you'll suffer from a condition caused by an unknown mechanism.</p><p>So yeah, all we have to do is &lt;handwaving level=extremelyvigorous&gt;some immune system thingy&lt;/handwaving&gt; and everybody's cured.</p><p>Not saying the research isn't important and useful, just that it doesn't constitute a cure or treatment nor does it even suggest a mechanism for the disease.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Claiming that the secrets are unlocked is WAY premature .
What we have is a tantalizing hint and some new information.They have found through statistical analysis several hundred genes that seem to contribute to the odds of suffering schizophrenia or depression.As for what those genes do ?
" some of them somehow influence the immune system .
That 's it , full stop .
They do some unknown thing that causes some unknown thing that makes it more likely that you 'll suffer from a condition caused by an unknown mechanism.So yeah , all we have to do is some immune system thingy and everybody 's cured.Not saying the research is n't important and useful , just that it does n't constitute a cure or treatment nor does it even suggest a mechanism for the disease .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Claiming that the secrets are unlocked is WAY premature.
What we have is a tantalizing hint and some new information.They have found through statistical analysis several hundred genes that seem to contribute to the odds of suffering schizophrenia or depression.As for what those genes do?
"some of them somehow influence the immune system.
That's it, full stop.
They do some unknown thing that causes some unknown thing that makes it more likely that you'll suffer from a condition caused by an unknown mechanism.So yeah, all we have to do is some immune system thingy and everybody's cured.Not saying the research isn't important and useful, just that it doesn't constitute a cure or treatment nor does it even suggest a mechanism for the disease.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28563669</id>
	<title>Re:Clarification</title>
	<author>gestalt\_n\_pepper</author>
	<datestamp>1246526400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, there is if you don't mind having your brain ground up and assayed in a test tube, but you're probably fussy about that sort of thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , there is if you do n't mind having your brain ground up and assayed in a test tube , but you 're probably fussy about that sort of thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, there is if you don't mind having your brain ground up and assayed in a test tube, but you're probably fussy about that sort of thing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558519</id>
	<title>Re:Nice to see the worst elements of /. are here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246553220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People that feel the need to shout that sort of nonsense probably have something going on themselves....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People that feel the need to shout that sort of nonsense probably have something going on themselves... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People that feel the need to shout that sort of nonsense probably have something going on themselves....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28558999</id>
	<title>Re:Clarification</title>
	<author>Llywelyn</author>
	<datestamp>1246555140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, that would be *bipolar disorder* which is not the same thing as *clinical depression.*<br><br>Major depressive disorder (clinical depression) can also be triggered by a grief incident.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , that would be * bipolar disorder * which is not the same thing as * clinical depression .
* Major depressive disorder ( clinical depression ) can also be triggered by a grief incident .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, that would be *bipolar disorder* which is not the same thing as *clinical depression.
*Major depressive disorder (clinical depression) can also be triggered by a grief incident.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_1347210.28561667</id>
	<title>Re:It's Not a "Disease"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246563300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's an Orientation.</p></div><p>The politically correct term would be <i>Asian</i>tation.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It 's an Orientation.The politically correct term would be Asiantation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's an Orientation.The politically correct term would be Asiantation.
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	<title>Re:I used to be schizophrenic</title>
	<author>MattXBlack</author>
	<datestamp>1246566360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>That sort of delusion (suicidal, blaming oneself) is more likely to be associated with a psychotic episode as part of depression or the depressed part of bipolar disorder. Schizophrenic delusions are more likely to be bizarre (think aliens) and may involve a belief that one is being controlled by others, or that one's thoughts are being broadcast or played on the tv, or that one can hear others' thoughts.

That said, depression is often a comorbid factor of schizophrenia, and it is entirely possible that a schizophrenic person would think that, but the example you gave is not stereotypical.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That sort of delusion ( suicidal , blaming oneself ) is more likely to be associated with a psychotic episode as part of depression or the depressed part of bipolar disorder .
Schizophrenic delusions are more likely to be bizarre ( think aliens ) and may involve a belief that one is being controlled by others , or that one 's thoughts are being broadcast or played on the tv , or that one can hear others ' thoughts .
That said , depression is often a comorbid factor of schizophrenia , and it is entirely possible that a schizophrenic person would think that , but the example you gave is not stereotypical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That sort of delusion (suicidal, blaming oneself) is more likely to be associated with a psychotic episode as part of depression or the depressed part of bipolar disorder.
Schizophrenic delusions are more likely to be bizarre (think aliens) and may involve a belief that one is being controlled by others, or that one's thoughts are being broadcast or played on the tv, or that one can hear others' thoughts.
That said, depression is often a comorbid factor of schizophrenia, and it is entirely possible that a schizophrenic person would think that, but the example you gave is not stereotypical.</sentencetext>
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