<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_01_2255234</id>
	<title>Bike Projector Makes Lane For Rider</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1246468860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>hh4m writes <i>"Whether it's San Francisco, New York, or any bicyclistic city in between, you're destined to witness biker after biker dancing with danger, especially at night when visibility is uncomfortably low. Alex Tee and Evan Gant's LightLane device was recently just a concept but is soon to enter reality as a much-needed visual declaration of personal biking space. With a dire shortage of dedicated lanes, LightLane provides urban cyclists with a solution that adapts to them and any route they make take. The compact projector mounts easily to the rear of a bike frame and <a href="http://www.h2ovisions.com/smart-design/byol-bring-your-own-lane/">projects a bike lane-inspired linear pattern</a> that provides great visibility and a familiarity that helps catch a driver's attention."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>hh4m writes " Whether it 's San Francisco , New York , or any bicyclistic city in between , you 're destined to witness biker after biker dancing with danger , especially at night when visibility is uncomfortably low .
Alex Tee and Evan Gant 's LightLane device was recently just a concept but is soon to enter reality as a much-needed visual declaration of personal biking space .
With a dire shortage of dedicated lanes , LightLane provides urban cyclists with a solution that adapts to them and any route they make take .
The compact projector mounts easily to the rear of a bike frame and projects a bike lane-inspired linear pattern that provides great visibility and a familiarity that helps catch a driver 's attention .
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<sentencetext>hh4m writes "Whether it's San Francisco, New York, or any bicyclistic city in between, you're destined to witness biker after biker dancing with danger, especially at night when visibility is uncomfortably low.
Alex Tee and Evan Gant's LightLane device was recently just a concept but is soon to enter reality as a much-needed visual declaration of personal biking space.
With a dire shortage of dedicated lanes, LightLane provides urban cyclists with a solution that adapts to them and any route they make take.
The compact projector mounts easily to the rear of a bike frame and projects a bike lane-inspired linear pattern that provides great visibility and a familiarity that helps catch a driver's attention.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555611</id>
	<title>Re:So what make this news now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246534500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This kind of product is not interesting until it is actually built.</p><p>Same as the "Racetrack Memory" article in the scientific American. The article is full of: "this could replace hard disks a few years from now". However if you read carefully, it's been shown to work for about SIX bits. There is a barrier of a few orders of magnitude to overcome before this becomes "real".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This kind of product is not interesting until it is actually built.Same as the " Racetrack Memory " article in the scientific American .
The article is full of : " this could replace hard disks a few years from now " .
However if you read carefully , it 's been shown to work for about SIX bits .
There is a barrier of a few orders of magnitude to overcome before this becomes " real " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This kind of product is not interesting until it is actually built.Same as the "Racetrack Memory" article in the scientific American.
The article is full of: "this could replace hard disks a few years from now".
However if you read carefully, it's been shown to work for about SIX bits.
There is a barrier of a few orders of magnitude to overcome before this becomes "real".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554713</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555939</id>
	<title>The door prize</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1246538760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The city cyclists get out there like there's something to prove, riding 4 feet out into the lane</p></div><p>That's because they're used to there being a parked car lane next to the curb and they don't want to get <a href="http://bicyclesafe.com/#doored" title="bicyclesafe.com">doored</a> [bicyclesafe.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The city cyclists get out there like there 's something to prove , riding 4 feet out into the laneThat 's because they 're used to there being a parked car lane next to the curb and they do n't want to get doored [ bicyclesafe.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The city cyclists get out there like there's something to prove, riding 4 feet out into the laneThat's because they're used to there being a parked car lane next to the curb and they don't want to get doored [bicyclesafe.com].
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554485</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555997</id>
	<title>This is a pretty stupid idea</title>
	<author>WCMI92</author>
	<datestamp>1246539360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Make your own lane"?  WTF?  Why should someone on a bicycle be able to do that when someone in a car can't?  Besides, if you are in a car, YOU are the one actually PAYING for the road to begin with (gasoline taxes).</p><p>Bike riders put themselves in danger because they don't obey the rules of the road, instead, pretending to be a car when it's advantageous (ie: riding in the middle of the lane) and being a pedestrian when it isn't (ie: running red lights and stop signs).</p><p>If they obey traffic laws and avoid roads where the speed limit is higher than they can ride, they will be safe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Make your own lane " ?
WTF ? Why should someone on a bicycle be able to do that when someone in a car ca n't ?
Besides , if you are in a car , YOU are the one actually PAYING for the road to begin with ( gasoline taxes ) .Bike riders put themselves in danger because they do n't obey the rules of the road , instead , pretending to be a car when it 's advantageous ( ie : riding in the middle of the lane ) and being a pedestrian when it is n't ( ie : running red lights and stop signs ) .If they obey traffic laws and avoid roads where the speed limit is higher than they can ride , they will be safe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Make your own lane"?
WTF?  Why should someone on a bicycle be able to do that when someone in a car can't?
Besides, if you are in a car, YOU are the one actually PAYING for the road to begin with (gasoline taxes).Bike riders put themselves in danger because they don't obey the rules of the road, instead, pretending to be a car when it's advantageous (ie: riding in the middle of the lane) and being a pedestrian when it isn't (ie: running red lights and stop signs).If they obey traffic laws and avoid roads where the speed limit is higher than they can ride, they will be safe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554503</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246476780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Until you start paying <b>taxes</b> and obeying the road rules you don't have any moral right to make use of the road.</p></div><p>Fixed that for you.  Insurance doesn't pay for roads.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Until you start paying taxes and obeying the road rules you do n't have any moral right to make use of the road.Fixed that for you .
Insurance does n't pay for roads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until you start paying taxes and obeying the road rules you don't have any moral right to make use of the road.Fixed that for you.
Insurance doesn't pay for roads.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555079</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246526820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The real problem here is self-righteous assholes, not <b>cyclits</b> or motorists.</p></div></blockquote><p>Fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem here is self-righteous assholes , not cyclits or motorists.Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem here is self-righteous assholes, not cyclits or motorists.Fixed that for you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554485</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28559121</id>
	<title>Re:In NYC, we have less tolerance...for cars that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246555620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>London has (had?) a congestion vehicle charge and it went a long way to solving traffic problems in the inner city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>London has ( had ?
) a congestion vehicle charge and it went a long way to solving traffic problems in the inner city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>London has (had?
) a congestion vehicle charge and it went a long way to solving traffic problems in the inner city.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554597</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554861</id>
	<title>A 2 euro solution</title>
	<author>captainpanic</author>
	<datestamp>1246567380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see why having fancy (but fake) laser-system-bike-lane would be any good. I have seen people driving around with a thin, flimsy reflector which sticks out 30 centimeters (about 1 ft) from the side of the bike. It won't damage cars if they get hit and also won't cause the biker to fall, because it will just fold backwards... but it does show cars to go around the biker. It's a 2 euro solution for the problem we're dealing with here. It does not require batteries. It can easily be built on any bike. It already exists.</p><p>In addition, real bike lanes are worth the money. Great experiments (Denmark, Netherlands) show that this really works. Perhaps there is no space in Manhattan, but on 99.9\% of the surface of the earth, a 1 meter wide lane really isn't a big issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see why having fancy ( but fake ) laser-system-bike-lane would be any good .
I have seen people driving around with a thin , flimsy reflector which sticks out 30 centimeters ( about 1 ft ) from the side of the bike .
It wo n't damage cars if they get hit and also wo n't cause the biker to fall , because it will just fold backwards... but it does show cars to go around the biker .
It 's a 2 euro solution for the problem we 're dealing with here .
It does not require batteries .
It can easily be built on any bike .
It already exists.In addition , real bike lanes are worth the money .
Great experiments ( Denmark , Netherlands ) show that this really works .
Perhaps there is no space in Manhattan , but on 99.9 \ % of the surface of the earth , a 1 meter wide lane really is n't a big issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see why having fancy (but fake) laser-system-bike-lane would be any good.
I have seen people driving around with a thin, flimsy reflector which sticks out 30 centimeters (about 1 ft) from the side of the bike.
It won't damage cars if they get hit and also won't cause the biker to fall, because it will just fold backwards... but it does show cars to go around the biker.
It's a 2 euro solution for the problem we're dealing with here.
It does not require batteries.
It can easily be built on any bike.
It already exists.In addition, real bike lanes are worth the money.
Great experiments (Denmark, Netherlands) show that this really works.
Perhaps there is no space in Manhattan, but on 99.9\% of the surface of the earth, a 1 meter wide lane really isn't a big issue.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554875</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246567500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fortunately, the law is on the GP's side, and bikes may take the lane whenever they feel like it.</p><p>You don't like it? Change the laws. Alternatively, you can wait until it's safe to pass, and pass the "freeloader" (who pays taxes like everyone else) just as if they were a horse &amp; buggy or an especially slow gas-guzzler.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fortunately , the law is on the GP 's side , and bikes may take the lane whenever they feel like it.You do n't like it ?
Change the laws .
Alternatively , you can wait until it 's safe to pass , and pass the " freeloader " ( who pays taxes like everyone else ) just as if they were a horse &amp; buggy or an especially slow gas-guzzler .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fortunately, the law is on the GP's side, and bikes may take the lane whenever they feel like it.You don't like it?
Change the laws.
Alternatively, you can wait until it's safe to pass, and pass the "freeloader" (who pays taxes like everyone else) just as if they were a horse &amp; buggy or an especially slow gas-guzzler.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28558267</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep. Which means I'm assaulted about twice every minute I'm on my bike on the way to/from my work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep .
Which means I 'm assaulted about twice every minute I 'm on my bike on the way to/from my work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep.
Which means I'm assaulted about twice every minute I'm on my bike on the way to/from my work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556185</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556625</id>
	<title>Re:In NYC, we have less tolerance...for cars that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246544220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>From a NY perspective, the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all.  They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world's most crowded places.  Keep that sh*t parked outside the city and take public transportation.</p></div><p>I have  a better idea.  Let's keep the residents out of NYC, and then there shouldn't be as much need for bikes.  And we can bulldoze apartments to put in more expressways and parking garages.  That solves the problem nicely, and eliminates one of the very few things I dislike about NYC - New Yorkers!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From a NY perspective , the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all .
They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world 's most crowded places .
Keep that sh * t parked outside the city and take public transportation.I have a better idea .
Let 's keep the residents out of NYC , and then there should n't be as much need for bikes .
And we can bulldoze apartments to put in more expressways and parking garages .
That solves the problem nicely , and eliminates one of the very few things I dislike about NYC - New Yorkers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From a NY perspective, the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all.
They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world's most crowded places.
Keep that sh*t parked outside the city and take public transportation.I have  a better idea.
Let's keep the residents out of NYC, and then there shouldn't be as much need for bikes.
And we can bulldoze apartments to put in more expressways and parking garages.
That solves the problem nicely, and eliminates one of the very few things I dislike about NYC - New Yorkers!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554597</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557175</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>infolation</author>
	<datestamp>1246547160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>bike riders are <b>fucking douches</b> who need to <b>stay the fuck off the goddamn street.</b> Most of them are baby boomer scum and their douchebag offspring who've bankrupted the country and are now living out their <b>mid-life crises</b> and <b>only-child entitlements</b> in their <b>obnoxious bike shorts</b> and neon spandex and their <b>stupid-looking dickhead helmets</b> which are a slap in the face because they're playing chicken with multi-ton armored shells while swerving into busy streets at 3mph.</p></div><p>why is this modded 'troll'?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>bike riders are fucking douches who need to stay the fuck off the goddamn street .
Most of them are baby boomer scum and their douchebag offspring who 've bankrupted the country and are now living out their mid-life crises and only-child entitlements in their obnoxious bike shorts and neon spandex and their stupid-looking dickhead helmets which are a slap in the face because they 're playing chicken with multi-ton armored shells while swerving into busy streets at 3mph.why is this modded 'troll ' ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bike riders are fucking douches who need to stay the fuck off the goddamn street.
Most of them are baby boomer scum and their douchebag offspring who've bankrupted the country and are now living out their mid-life crises and only-child entitlements in their obnoxious bike shorts and neon spandex and their stupid-looking dickhead helmets which are a slap in the face because they're playing chicken with multi-ton armored shells while swerving into busy streets at 3mph.why is this modded 'troll'?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554357</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557743</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Nemyst</author>
	<datestamp>1246549560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do remember that the USA are 232 times larger than the Netherlands... Let's say creating bike lanes will take a TAD longer and cost a very small amount more than in your home country.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/sarcasm</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do remember that the USA are 232 times larger than the Netherlands... Let 's say creating bike lanes will take a TAD longer and cost a very small amount more than in your home country .
/sarcasm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do remember that the USA are 232 times larger than the Netherlands... Let's say creating bike lanes will take a TAD longer and cost a very small amount more than in your home country.
/sarcasm</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555073</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556085</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246540320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What you are implying is almost unthinkable. Are you suggesting it is possible to use only human locomotion to travel more than say... 500ft?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What you are implying is almost unthinkable .
Are you suggesting it is possible to use only human locomotion to travel more than say... 500ft ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you are implying is almost unthinkable.
Are you suggesting it is possible to use only human locomotion to travel more than say... 500ft?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555073</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28559311</id>
	<title>Re:A 2 euro solution</title>
	<author>Kabuthunk</author>
	<datestamp>1246556280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem around here is that most of the major roads and buildings around them were designed for horse and carriage, before cars even existed.  So a lot of those roads are virtually too thin for the irritatingly-wide SUV's that were so damn popular for so long, let alone vehicles AND bicycles beside them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem around here is that most of the major roads and buildings around them were designed for horse and carriage , before cars even existed .
So a lot of those roads are virtually too thin for the irritatingly-wide SUV 's that were so damn popular for so long , let alone vehicles AND bicycles beside them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem around here is that most of the major roads and buildings around them were designed for horse and carriage, before cars even existed.
So a lot of those roads are virtually too thin for the irritatingly-wide SUV's that were so damn popular for so long, let alone vehicles AND bicycles beside them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554861</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28565501</id>
	<title>Re:Gonna be a tough sell..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246534440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Huh. You're a bit dim, aren't you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh .
You 're a bit dim , are n't you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh.
You're a bit dim, aren't you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555117</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28560481</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, most of those "tidbits" you cite are plain wrong in most states.</p><p>A red light is a red light, and it doesn't matter if you're on bike or in a car or on foot you HAVE TO STOP. Period. End of Story. Same for stop signs.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>in a court of law, if the motorist hits a cyclist, and the cyclists was obeying the laws of the road, then that's assault with a deadly weapon, and the motorist will be brought up on at least vehicular man-slaughter charges, if not murder (if the cyclist dies).</p></div><p>NO. They would have to show that the driver of the vehicle INTENTIONALLY hit the cyclist for such a charge to apply. Incidentally, you can get charged for that when running into another car, if it's intentional.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If an aggressive motorist makes a movement of any sort towards you, or threatens you even if you are not touched or physically harmed, that is assault (if you even fear an aggressive driver, that's assault).</p></div><p>NO. I can drive 1 inch off your bumper and ride my horn all day long if I want, I'm not breaking any laws. Don't like it, get off the road. The best you can get is reckless driving, and the same thing can come right back on you for pulling stunts on a bike that endanger other cars/bikes on the road.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>And it also helps that my wife is a lawyer!</p></div><p>And not a very good one if she had anything to do with that post. For starters, in my state there are laws that explicitly contradict several of your points, in addition to the ones I refute above.</p><p>In any case, the point was that if you want to argue physically with a car, then that's probably the last argument you'll get to make, and a SMART cyclist will address the issue OFF THE STREETS instead of trying to prove something on the road.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , most of those " tidbits " you cite are plain wrong in most states.A red light is a red light , and it does n't matter if you 're on bike or in a car or on foot you HAVE TO STOP .
Period. End of Story .
Same for stop signs.in a court of law , if the motorist hits a cyclist , and the cyclists was obeying the laws of the road , then that 's assault with a deadly weapon , and the motorist will be brought up on at least vehicular man-slaughter charges , if not murder ( if the cyclist dies ) .NO .
They would have to show that the driver of the vehicle INTENTIONALLY hit the cyclist for such a charge to apply .
Incidentally , you can get charged for that when running into another car , if it 's intentional.If an aggressive motorist makes a movement of any sort towards you , or threatens you even if you are not touched or physically harmed , that is assault ( if you even fear an aggressive driver , that 's assault ) .NO .
I can drive 1 inch off your bumper and ride my horn all day long if I want , I 'm not breaking any laws .
Do n't like it , get off the road .
The best you can get is reckless driving , and the same thing can come right back on you for pulling stunts on a bike that endanger other cars/bikes on the road.And it also helps that my wife is a lawyer ! And not a very good one if she had anything to do with that post .
For starters , in my state there are laws that explicitly contradict several of your points , in addition to the ones I refute above.In any case , the point was that if you want to argue physically with a car , then that 's probably the last argument you 'll get to make , and a SMART cyclist will address the issue OFF THE STREETS instead of trying to prove something on the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, most of those "tidbits" you cite are plain wrong in most states.A red light is a red light, and it doesn't matter if you're on bike or in a car or on foot you HAVE TO STOP.
Period. End of Story.
Same for stop signs.in a court of law, if the motorist hits a cyclist, and the cyclists was obeying the laws of the road, then that's assault with a deadly weapon, and the motorist will be brought up on at least vehicular man-slaughter charges, if not murder (if the cyclist dies).NO.
They would have to show that the driver of the vehicle INTENTIONALLY hit the cyclist for such a charge to apply.
Incidentally, you can get charged for that when running into another car, if it's intentional.If an aggressive motorist makes a movement of any sort towards you, or threatens you even if you are not touched or physically harmed, that is assault (if you even fear an aggressive driver, that's assault).NO.
I can drive 1 inch off your bumper and ride my horn all day long if I want, I'm not breaking any laws.
Don't like it, get off the road.
The best you can get is reckless driving, and the same thing can come right back on you for pulling stunts on a bike that endanger other cars/bikes on the road.And it also helps that my wife is a lawyer!And not a very good one if she had anything to do with that post.
For starters, in my state there are laws that explicitly contradict several of your points, in addition to the ones I refute above.In any case, the point was that if you want to argue physically with a car, then that's probably the last argument you'll get to make, and a SMART cyclist will address the issue OFF THE STREETS instead of trying to prove something on the road.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28562693</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>JesseMcDonald</author>
	<datestamp>1246566540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bicycles aren't allowed on interstates in the U.S. Even ignoring the 'no cyclists allowed' signs, most interstates have a minimum speed limit of at least 45 MPG. If you decide to take your bike onto the interstate anyway, blatently ignoring the signs posted at every on-ramp, extreme personal danger is an obvious consequence.</p><p>If you can't keep up with the traffic, <b>stay off the road</b>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bicycles are n't allowed on interstates in the U.S. Even ignoring the 'no cyclists allowed ' signs , most interstates have a minimum speed limit of at least 45 MPG .
If you decide to take your bike onto the interstate anyway , blatently ignoring the signs posted at every on-ramp , extreme personal danger is an obvious consequence.If you ca n't keep up with the traffic , stay off the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bicycles aren't allowed on interstates in the U.S. Even ignoring the 'no cyclists allowed' signs, most interstates have a minimum speed limit of at least 45 MPG.
If you decide to take your bike onto the interstate anyway, blatently ignoring the signs posted at every on-ramp, extreme personal danger is an obvious consequence.If you can't keep up with the traffic, stay off the road.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555073</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556683</id>
	<title>Just great</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1246544520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There will be more dumbass cyclists who think that they have the right of way regardless of the law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There will be more dumbass cyclists who think that they have the right of way regardless of the law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There will be more dumbass cyclists who think that they have the right of way regardless of the law.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554417</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>polar red</author>
	<datestamp>1246475820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I do however ride a fair distance from the curb when the lane is narrow. The problem with riding close to the curb is that doing so will give impatient motorists the incorrect impression tha</p></div><p> hear hear! I do the same thing. I woul like to add to that : if you're already close to the curb, you don't have any space left to evade - very necessary.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do however ride a fair distance from the curb when the lane is narrow .
The problem with riding close to the curb is that doing so will give impatient motorists the incorrect impression tha hear hear !
I do the same thing .
I woul like to add to that : if you 're already close to the curb , you do n't have any space left to evade - very necessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do however ride a fair distance from the curb when the lane is narrow.
The problem with riding close to the curb is that doing so will give impatient motorists the incorrect impression tha hear hear!
I do the same thing.
I woul like to add to that : if you're already close to the curb, you don't have any space left to evade - very necessary.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554265</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555311</id>
	<title>Just get off the damn footpath</title>
	<author>dugeen</author>
	<datestamp>1246529940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't shell out vital cash on projectors. Simply improve bicycle safety by keeping off the pavement and stopping at red lights and pedestrian crossings.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't shell out vital cash on projectors .
Simply improve bicycle safety by keeping off the pavement and stopping at red lights and pedestrian crossings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't shell out vital cash on projectors.
Simply improve bicycle safety by keeping off the pavement and stopping at red lights and pedestrian crossings.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28558663</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246553820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ahh, so YOU'RE one of the assholes that everyone hates.  Way to be the prick that everyone wishes would be hit and die.</p><p>The LAW around here states you need to be and STAY within 2 feet of the curb.  This is because traffic is too heavy for 'an empty lane' to open up for everyone to go into to pass you.  You are a slowly-moving, unpredictable construction zone bottlenecking traffic.</p><p>The main roads here were made before cars even existed, let alone being made to have enough room for cars AND bikes.  The sidewalks are nice and wide though, and pedestrians are used to sharing it with bikers though.  Pile of people?  Either slow down and wait for them to pass, or go in the grass for a few seconds.</p><p>Can't do that?  Stay the fuck off the road.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahh , so YOU 'RE one of the assholes that everyone hates .
Way to be the prick that everyone wishes would be hit and die.The LAW around here states you need to be and STAY within 2 feet of the curb .
This is because traffic is too heavy for 'an empty lane ' to open up for everyone to go into to pass you .
You are a slowly-moving , unpredictable construction zone bottlenecking traffic.The main roads here were made before cars even existed , let alone being made to have enough room for cars AND bikes .
The sidewalks are nice and wide though , and pedestrians are used to sharing it with bikers though .
Pile of people ?
Either slow down and wait for them to pass , or go in the grass for a few seconds.Ca n't do that ?
Stay the fuck off the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahh, so YOU'RE one of the assholes that everyone hates.
Way to be the prick that everyone wishes would be hit and die.The LAW around here states you need to be and STAY within 2 feet of the curb.
This is because traffic is too heavy for 'an empty lane' to open up for everyone to go into to pass you.
You are a slowly-moving, unpredictable construction zone bottlenecking traffic.The main roads here were made before cars even existed, let alone being made to have enough room for cars AND bikes.
The sidewalks are nice and wide though, and pedestrians are used to sharing it with bikers though.
Pile of people?
Either slow down and wait for them to pass, or go in the grass for a few seconds.Can't do that?
Stay the fuck off the road.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555327</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556101</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246540380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The interstate wasn't designed for bike riders, or farm equipment, or any thing that can't reach at least 45 miles per hour consistent speed. Unless there is a special permit to do so. It does stink though, I would love to bike to work however either I would need to bike across some unsavory areas of the city, take an extra couple miles detour up steep hills to go around the city. Or illegal ride on the interstate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The interstate was n't designed for bike riders , or farm equipment , or any thing that ca n't reach at least 45 miles per hour consistent speed .
Unless there is a special permit to do so .
It does stink though , I would love to bike to work however either I would need to bike across some unsavory areas of the city , take an extra couple miles detour up steep hills to go around the city .
Or illegal ride on the interstate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The interstate wasn't designed for bike riders, or farm equipment, or any thing that can't reach at least 45 miles per hour consistent speed.
Unless there is a special permit to do so.
It does stink though, I would love to bike to work however either I would need to bike across some unsavory areas of the city, take an extra couple miles detour up steep hills to go around the city.
Or illegal ride on the interstate.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555073</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556065</id>
	<title>Re:Insurance</title>
	<author>jcupitt65</author>
	<datestamp>1246540140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yes folks, those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motorists</p></div><p>No they are not, please check your figures. The money raised by fuel duty, road tax and VAT on vehicles does NOT cover the cost of the UK road network. It has to be subsidised by general taxation.

</p><p>Cyclists are (usually, heh) tax payers and have as much right to use the road as you do.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes folks , those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motoristsNo they are not , please check your figures .
The money raised by fuel duty , road tax and VAT on vehicles does NOT cover the cost of the UK road network .
It has to be subsidised by general taxation .
Cyclists are ( usually , heh ) tax payers and have as much right to use the road as you do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes folks, those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motoristsNo they are not, please check your figures.
The money raised by fuel duty, road tax and VAT on vehicles does NOT cover the cost of the UK road network.
It has to be subsidised by general taxation.
Cyclists are (usually, heh) tax payers and have as much right to use the road as you do.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555249</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556051</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246539960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is illegal to bike, walk, skate or use any form of transportation except a road legal vehicle on Interstates unless they have a specifically marked bike lane. There's a good reason that big yellow "Motorized Vehicles Only" Signs are posted at every on ramp.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is illegal to bike , walk , skate or use any form of transportation except a road legal vehicle on Interstates unless they have a specifically marked bike lane .
There 's a good reason that big yellow " Motorized Vehicles Only " Signs are posted at every on ramp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is illegal to bike, walk, skate or use any form of transportation except a road legal vehicle on Interstates unless they have a specifically marked bike lane.
There's a good reason that big yellow "Motorized Vehicles Only" Signs are posted at every on ramp.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555891</id>
	<title>Good Bike Cities</title>
	<author>ATestR</author>
	<datestamp>1246538340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I admit that I am a few years past my peak biking years, but I remember certain cities as being more bike friendly than others.  Anchorage, AK had an extensive bike path through the parks and greenways, with major street crossings through very large (10'+) arch culverts under the roads.  Seattle was also pretty good, especially around the university area.  Eugene, OR as similar, although not as extensive.  I never did find any good bike riding in California.</p><p>I live on the east coast now, and in general the lack of decent bike facilities is one reason I don't take to the pedals much any more.  I discourage my kids from riding outside of the subdivision, because bikes on the main roads are just moving targets to many of the drivers. (10 points!)  I know why cities, counties, and the state are slow to provide dedicated bicycle lanes (and paths!), but it sure would be nice if they would.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I admit that I am a few years past my peak biking years , but I remember certain cities as being more bike friendly than others .
Anchorage , AK had an extensive bike path through the parks and greenways , with major street crossings through very large ( 10 ' + ) arch culverts under the roads .
Seattle was also pretty good , especially around the university area .
Eugene , OR as similar , although not as extensive .
I never did find any good bike riding in California.I live on the east coast now , and in general the lack of decent bike facilities is one reason I do n't take to the pedals much any more .
I discourage my kids from riding outside of the subdivision , because bikes on the main roads are just moving targets to many of the drivers .
( 10 points !
) I know why cities , counties , and the state are slow to provide dedicated bicycle lanes ( and paths !
) , but it sure would be nice if they would .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I admit that I am a few years past my peak biking years, but I remember certain cities as being more bike friendly than others.
Anchorage, AK had an extensive bike path through the parks and greenways, with major street crossings through very large (10'+) arch culverts under the roads.
Seattle was also pretty good, especially around the university area.
Eugene, OR as similar, although not as extensive.
I never did find any good bike riding in California.I live on the east coast now, and in general the lack of decent bike facilities is one reason I don't take to the pedals much any more.
I discourage my kids from riding outside of the subdivision, because bikes on the main roads are just moving targets to many of the drivers.
(10 points!
)  I know why cities, counties, and the state are slow to provide dedicated bicycle lanes (and paths!
), but it sure would be nice if they would.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554591</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1246477800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The problem with riding close to the curb is that doing so will give impatient motorists the incorrect impression that there is safe room to pass.</i></p><p>It's also the case that, on a lot of roads, the edge is in pretty poor shape... more bumps, cracks, and gravel that you don't have to deal with if you ride in the lane a bit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with riding close to the curb is that doing so will give impatient motorists the incorrect impression that there is safe room to pass.It 's also the case that , on a lot of roads , the edge is in pretty poor shape... more bumps , cracks , and gravel that you do n't have to deal with if you ride in the lane a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with riding close to the curb is that doing so will give impatient motorists the incorrect impression that there is safe room to pass.It's also the case that, on a lot of roads, the edge is in pretty poor shape... more bumps, cracks, and gravel that you don't have to deal with if you ride in the lane a bit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554265</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555587</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>novakreo</author>
	<datestamp>1246534140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know if it's different where you are, but where I live cyclists can legally ride two abreast ('for no reason'), and a third cyclist is permitted to overtake. My experience of riding on roads is that unless you move to the middle of the lane, ignorant/lazy drivers will try to squeeze past with the smallest of margins instead of overtaking properly with enough room to spare.</p><p>Roads belong to the public, not just motorists. If you can't wait a minute or two to overtake you should leave earlier.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if it 's different where you are , but where I live cyclists can legally ride two abreast ( 'for no reason ' ) , and a third cyclist is permitted to overtake .
My experience of riding on roads is that unless you move to the middle of the lane , ignorant/lazy drivers will try to squeeze past with the smallest of margins instead of overtaking properly with enough room to spare.Roads belong to the public , not just motorists .
If you ca n't wait a minute or two to overtake you should leave earlier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if it's different where you are, but where I live cyclists can legally ride two abreast ('for no reason'), and a third cyclist is permitted to overtake.
My experience of riding on roads is that unless you move to the middle of the lane, ignorant/lazy drivers will try to squeeze past with the smallest of margins instead of overtaking properly with enough room to spare.Roads belong to the public, not just motorists.
If you can't wait a minute or two to overtake you should leave earlier.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554485</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554623</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246478100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ok, I've been a bike rider and a car driver. One thing I have learned as both, if the bigger vehicle can cause you considerable harm, MOVE THE F&amp;^\% OUT OF THE WAY!!!!! If you're a bicyclist on what is known to be a very busy street and you are riding in the middle of the friggin road, don't be surprised if a pissed off driver decides they own the road instead of you. If the bicyclist is going 35 in a 50, fine. That's an inconvenience but not a biggie. If the bicyclist is going 20 in a 50 they are a HAZARD!!!! Just like there are upper limits, there are lower limits as well and if you don't feel you can stay between those two limits you don't belong on the road, I don't care what entitlement you think you have, YOU ARE A DANGER!!!!! I'm SO sick of this in the town I live in. There are cyclists that truly belong on the road. They know the road rules, they follow them, they keep a good solid, consistant speed, and don't take stupid risks. Then there are the ones that ride slow, swerve all over the place, ride right through red lights because they feel they can, and generally are complete utter assholes. Just to give everyone a hint and see how many agree or disagree, I live in Christchurch NZ. Tell me I'm wrong about what I just ranted about.....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I 've been a bike rider and a car driver .
One thing I have learned as both , if the bigger vehicle can cause you considerable harm , MOVE THE F&amp; ^ \ % OUT OF THE WAY ! ! ! ! !
If you 're a bicyclist on what is known to be a very busy street and you are riding in the middle of the friggin road , do n't be surprised if a pissed off driver decides they own the road instead of you .
If the bicyclist is going 35 in a 50 , fine .
That 's an inconvenience but not a biggie .
If the bicyclist is going 20 in a 50 they are a HAZARD ! ! ! !
Just like there are upper limits , there are lower limits as well and if you do n't feel you can stay between those two limits you do n't belong on the road , I do n't care what entitlement you think you have , YOU ARE A DANGER ! ! ! ! !
I 'm SO sick of this in the town I live in .
There are cyclists that truly belong on the road .
They know the road rules , they follow them , they keep a good solid , consistant speed , and do n't take stupid risks .
Then there are the ones that ride slow , swerve all over the place , ride right through red lights because they feel they can , and generally are complete utter assholes .
Just to give everyone a hint and see how many agree or disagree , I live in Christchurch NZ .
Tell me I 'm wrong about what I just ranted about.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, I've been a bike rider and a car driver.
One thing I have learned as both, if the bigger vehicle can cause you considerable harm, MOVE THE F&amp;^\% OUT OF THE WAY!!!!!
If you're a bicyclist on what is known to be a very busy street and you are riding in the middle of the friggin road, don't be surprised if a pissed off driver decides they own the road instead of you.
If the bicyclist is going 35 in a 50, fine.
That's an inconvenience but not a biggie.
If the bicyclist is going 20 in a 50 they are a HAZARD!!!!
Just like there are upper limits, there are lower limits as well and if you don't feel you can stay between those two limits you don't belong on the road, I don't care what entitlement you think you have, YOU ARE A DANGER!!!!!
I'm SO sick of this in the town I live in.
There are cyclists that truly belong on the road.
They know the road rules, they follow them, they keep a good solid, consistant speed, and don't take stupid risks.
Then there are the ones that ride slow, swerve all over the place, ride right through red lights because they feel they can, and generally are complete utter assholes.
Just to give everyone a hint and see how many agree or disagree, I live in Christchurch NZ.
Tell me I'm wrong about what I just ranted about.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555995</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>J4</author>
	<datestamp>1246539360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Ultimately, I don't care if you're pissed off that you have to slow down to 35k in a 50k zone as long as you don't crash into me."</p><p>You win the door prize!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Ultimately , I do n't care if you 're pissed off that you have to slow down to 35k in a 50k zone as long as you do n't crash into me .
" You win the door prize ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Ultimately, I don't care if you're pissed off that you have to slow down to 35k in a 50k zone as long as you don't crash into me.
"You win the door prize!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556285</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246541880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I haven't seen any bikers get hurt, but I HAVE seen more than one car wrecked or off the road while trying to pass a cyclist who keeps drifting farther and farther left while oncoming traffic keeps whipping by around blind corners.</p><p>Well, I haven't heard of a single accident involving a car and a bicycle, where car driver was injured, or the car damaged.<br>And why would a driver, which was obviously able to avoid the bicyclist by steering out of the lane not be able to slow down or, god forbid, stop the car?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I have n't seen any bikers get hurt , but I HAVE seen more than one car wrecked or off the road while trying to pass a cyclist who keeps drifting farther and farther left while oncoming traffic keeps whipping by around blind corners.Well , I have n't heard of a single accident involving a car and a bicycle , where car driver was injured , or the car damaged.And why would a driver , which was obviously able to avoid the bicyclist by steering out of the lane not be able to slow down or , god forbid , stop the car ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I haven't seen any bikers get hurt, but I HAVE seen more than one car wrecked or off the road while trying to pass a cyclist who keeps drifting farther and farther left while oncoming traffic keeps whipping by around blind corners.Well, I haven't heard of a single accident involving a car and a bicycle, where car driver was injured, or the car damaged.And why would a driver, which was obviously able to avoid the bicyclist by steering out of the lane not be able to slow down or, god forbid, stop the car?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555881</id>
	<title>Re:Insurance</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1246538280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Sounds like a good way to stop loads of kids (and adults) cycling. Then they'll end up really fat, and cost the NHS loads. Good plan!</p><p>(TFL estimated that everyone in London who cycles at least 3 days a week per year saves the taxpayer &pound;200 or so, in reduced expenditure required on roads/railways and less cost to the NHS, and less days off work as they're healthier. Bike insurance is about &pound;30, so it doesn't really seem worthwhile... though I have it anyway, as I'm a member of the London Cycling Campaign.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a good way to stop loads of kids ( and adults ) cycling .
Then they 'll end up really fat , and cost the NHS loads .
Good plan !
( TFL estimated that everyone in London who cycles at least 3 days a week per year saves the taxpayer   200 or so , in reduced expenditure required on roads/railways and less cost to the NHS , and less days off work as they 're healthier .
Bike insurance is about   30 , so it does n't really seem worthwhile... though I have it anyway , as I 'm a member of the London Cycling Campaign .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a good way to stop loads of kids (and adults) cycling.
Then they'll end up really fat, and cost the NHS loads.
Good plan!
(TFL estimated that everyone in London who cycles at least 3 days a week per year saves the taxpayer £200 or so, in reduced expenditure required on roads/railways and less cost to the NHS, and less days off work as they're healthier.
Bike insurance is about £30, so it doesn't really seem worthwhile... though I have it anyway, as I'm a member of the London Cycling Campaign.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28558799</id>
	<title>Re:In NYC, we have less tolerance...for cars that</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1246554360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Damn them and their "freedom!" Can you believe the gall of wanting to make use of roads their (substantially-more-than-yours) fuel taxes paid for? Those assholes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn them and their " freedom !
" Can you believe the gall of wanting to make use of roads their ( substantially-more-than-yours ) fuel taxes paid for ?
Those assholes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn them and their "freedom!
" Can you believe the gall of wanting to make use of roads their (substantially-more-than-yours) fuel taxes paid for?
Those assholes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555441</id>
	<title>wow...</title>
	<author>evil\_marty</author>
	<datestamp>1246531860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>this is the perfect tool for grunts as it will indicate the direction in which they are heading and also visibly tells surrounding people how far away they should be from this person should they throw up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>this is the perfect tool for grunts as it will indicate the direction in which they are heading and also visibly tells surrounding people how far away they should be from this person should they throw up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is the perfect tool for grunts as it will indicate the direction in which they are heading and also visibly tells surrounding people how far away they should be from this person should they throw up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557061</id>
	<title>Re:This is a pretty stupid idea</title>
	<author>SendBot</author>
	<datestamp>1246546680000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What a minute... how did the romans ever build so many roads without having gasoline to tax to pay for it?</p><p>Enjoying one's legal right to pedal a bike in a lane is not the same as pretending to be a car.</p><p>I ride faster than cars 90\% of the time in urban settings. They're a lot harder to maneuver past than bikes, AND I have to breathe their exhaust when they're clogging up all the damn roadways because more often than not, these people are too lazy to walk, ride a bike, or take public transit.</p><p>Breaking the law, in a pedantic sense, is only correlated to my safety as a cyclist. I've had far more dangerous encounters with cars during times when I was in 100\% compliance with the law. One time I even got my upper body up on some a-hole's fender going 35mph while I was in my own bike lane and he tried to hook me.</p><p>A friend of mine was hit by a SUV that cruised right through a stoplight, admitted this to the police, and DIDN'T EVEN GET A TICKET. He had to get surgery on his knee and couldn't bike for two months.</p><p>If you think personal safety is a function solely of obeying the law and forfeiting your legal rights, then I have some beachfront property in arizona I'd like to show you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What a minute... how did the romans ever build so many roads without having gasoline to tax to pay for it ? Enjoying one 's legal right to pedal a bike in a lane is not the same as pretending to be a car.I ride faster than cars 90 \ % of the time in urban settings .
They 're a lot harder to maneuver past than bikes , AND I have to breathe their exhaust when they 're clogging up all the damn roadways because more often than not , these people are too lazy to walk , ride a bike , or take public transit.Breaking the law , in a pedantic sense , is only correlated to my safety as a cyclist .
I 've had far more dangerous encounters with cars during times when I was in 100 \ % compliance with the law .
One time I even got my upper body up on some a-hole 's fender going 35mph while I was in my own bike lane and he tried to hook me.A friend of mine was hit by a SUV that cruised right through a stoplight , admitted this to the police , and DID N'T EVEN GET A TICKET .
He had to get surgery on his knee and could n't bike for two months.If you think personal safety is a function solely of obeying the law and forfeiting your legal rights , then I have some beachfront property in arizona I 'd like to show you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a minute... how did the romans ever build so many roads without having gasoline to tax to pay for it?Enjoying one's legal right to pedal a bike in a lane is not the same as pretending to be a car.I ride faster than cars 90\% of the time in urban settings.
They're a lot harder to maneuver past than bikes, AND I have to breathe their exhaust when they're clogging up all the damn roadways because more often than not, these people are too lazy to walk, ride a bike, or take public transit.Breaking the law, in a pedantic sense, is only correlated to my safety as a cyclist.
I've had far more dangerous encounters with cars during times when I was in 100\% compliance with the law.
One time I even got my upper body up on some a-hole's fender going 35mph while I was in my own bike lane and he tried to hook me.A friend of mine was hit by a SUV that cruised right through a stoplight, admitted this to the police, and DIDN'T EVEN GET A TICKET.
He had to get surgery on his knee and couldn't bike for two months.If you think personal safety is a function solely of obeying the law and forfeiting your legal rights, then I have some beachfront property in arizona I'd like to show you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554837</id>
	<title>But does it etch the lane in the road permanently?</title>
	<author>itsybitsy</author>
	<datestamp>1246567020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>No? That's good considering how meandering most bike riders actually are. Besides a laser powerful enough to etch the lane in pavement or concrete would likely slice off your legs. The one benefit is that you'd not need to have an external power source as the bike could have a generator installed. Think of how much fat you could burn in no time! What's that smell?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No ?
That 's good considering how meandering most bike riders actually are .
Besides a laser powerful enough to etch the lane in pavement or concrete would likely slice off your legs .
The one benefit is that you 'd not need to have an external power source as the bike could have a generator installed .
Think of how much fat you could burn in no time !
What 's that smell ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No?
That's good considering how meandering most bike riders actually are.
Besides a laser powerful enough to etch the lane in pavement or concrete would likely slice off your legs.
The one benefit is that you'd not need to have an external power source as the bike could have a generator installed.
Think of how much fat you could burn in no time!
What's that smell?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28570169</id>
	<title>Re:This is a pretty stupid idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246624680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I think you may be missing the point of this. It's so that inexperienced drivers (recently qualified) can get a better guide to how much room to leave when safely overtaking.

An experienced driver, such as yourself, wouldn't need this so I'm sure it might not seem necessary in that situation.

It's not intended to imply any other right of way other you would give, say, a parked car whose door could open. You can judge that easily but others less skilled might not be able to and this helps to protect them from the trauma of accidentally killing someone.

Imagine if your daughter accidentally killed a cyclist, following all the rules and riding responsibly, through poor judgement and inexperience. You'd tell her it was an accident but she might never forgive her self and the cyclist, on her way home from work, of course, would be dead whatever.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you may be missing the point of this .
It 's so that inexperienced drivers ( recently qualified ) can get a better guide to how much room to leave when safely overtaking .
An experienced driver , such as yourself , would n't need this so I 'm sure it might not seem necessary in that situation .
It 's not intended to imply any other right of way other you would give , say , a parked car whose door could open .
You can judge that easily but others less skilled might not be able to and this helps to protect them from the trauma of accidentally killing someone .
Imagine if your daughter accidentally killed a cyclist , following all the rules and riding responsibly , through poor judgement and inexperience .
You 'd tell her it was an accident but she might never forgive her self and the cyclist , on her way home from work , of course , would be dead whatever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you may be missing the point of this.
It's so that inexperienced drivers (recently qualified) can get a better guide to how much room to leave when safely overtaking.
An experienced driver, such as yourself, wouldn't need this so I'm sure it might not seem necessary in that situation.
It's not intended to imply any other right of way other you would give, say, a parked car whose door could open.
You can judge that easily but others less skilled might not be able to and this helps to protect them from the trauma of accidentally killing someone.
Imagine if your daughter accidentally killed a cyclist, following all the rules and riding responsibly, through poor judgement and inexperience.
You'd tell her it was an accident but she might never forgive her self and the cyclist, on her way home from work, of course, would be dead whatever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556083</id>
	<title>If you're in the UK it's not illegal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246540260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or, if you want to get picky, it's as illegal as a Black Taxi Cab in London not having a bale of hay in the trunk.</p><p>Personally I cycle where the passenger side wheel leaves its track: if a car with suspension and four-wheel stability isn't driving that close to the kerb, neither will I.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , if you want to get picky , it 's as illegal as a Black Taxi Cab in London not having a bale of hay in the trunk.Personally I cycle where the passenger side wheel leaves its track : if a car with suspension and four-wheel stability is n't driving that close to the kerb , neither will I .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, if you want to get picky, it's as illegal as a Black Taxi Cab in London not having a bale of hay in the trunk.Personally I cycle where the passenger side wheel leaves its track: if a car with suspension and four-wheel stability isn't driving that close to the kerb, neither will I.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557755</id>
	<title>Um - that's just going to get someone killed.</title>
	<author>(arg!)Styopa</author>
	<datestamp>1246549620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Does it come with the subsequent "body on the pavement outline-drawer" module too?  Because it IS going to be needed.</p><p>Insisting something is true doesn't make it so.</p><p>If I 'insist' that the space I'm riding in is a bike space that I'm entitled to, all it gives me is a ludicrous false sense of security.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it come with the subsequent " body on the pavement outline-drawer " module too ?
Because it IS going to be needed.Insisting something is true does n't make it so.If I 'insist ' that the space I 'm riding in is a bike space that I 'm entitled to , all it gives me is a ludicrous false sense of security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it come with the subsequent "body on the pavement outline-drawer" module too?
Because it IS going to be needed.Insisting something is true doesn't make it so.If I 'insist' that the space I'm riding in is a bike space that I'm entitled to, all it gives me is a ludicrous false sense of security.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555501</id>
	<title>ACME Bike Lane Projector</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1246532820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Turn it on and next thing you know - "brring! brring! crunch!" - you're lying on your back covered with tyre tracks and with little tweeting birds flying round your head.
</p><p>Almost as dangerous as painting a railway tunnel entrance on the side of a cliff...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Turn it on and next thing you know - " brring !
brring ! crunch !
" - you 're lying on your back covered with tyre tracks and with little tweeting birds flying round your head .
Almost as dangerous as painting a railway tunnel entrance on the side of a cliff.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turn it on and next thing you know - "brring!
brring! crunch!
" - you're lying on your back covered with tyre tracks and with little tweeting birds flying round your head.
Almost as dangerous as painting a railway tunnel entrance on the side of a cliff...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28562129</id>
	<title>Re:This is a pretty stupid idea</title>
	<author>Celeste R</author>
	<datestamp>1246564920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>'Making my own lane' isn't a solution in those situations, because 'making my own lane' only works well on wide roads at nighttime.  Tell me, what's the <b>right</b> solution?</p><p>The visible intent here is to give cyclists some safety space while they have to ride among the cars, especially at night.  Cars tend to push that safety space to the limits (how many times have I almost been clipped by a car's mirror?), and <b>any</b> practical edge is worth it.</p><p>Who pays for the road is a question of how corporatist might makes right.  The real, tangible question here is SAFETY.  Is it safe for me to share the road with cars?  Generally so, but how about doing the same, going up hills?  Or in inclement weather, like wind, or heavy rain?  <b>That</b> is why bicycle lanes are important.</p><p>I am responsible for my own safety, and moreso, because I don't have the protection that a car would afford me.  I have to be able to say that it would be better for me to ride slowly on that sidewalk than it would be for me to ride among the cars in heavy, visibility-reducing rain, or when I'm riding into the sunlight at dawn or dusk (sunglare on windows and/or driver dazzle).</p><p>Bike riders may put themselves in danger by not following the rules, but pretending to be something I'm not (a car) has landed me in more potentially dangerous situations than taking comprehensive control of the situation in the first place.  To my irritation, that also includes bending rules not meant to be bent.  What is truly important here is that we be given a place (a bicycle lane) where they can both follow the rules and be safe 99\% of the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Making my own lane ' is n't a solution in those situations , because 'making my own lane ' only works well on wide roads at nighttime .
Tell me , what 's the right solution ? The visible intent here is to give cyclists some safety space while they have to ride among the cars , especially at night .
Cars tend to push that safety space to the limits ( how many times have I almost been clipped by a car 's mirror ?
) , and any practical edge is worth it.Who pays for the road is a question of how corporatist might makes right .
The real , tangible question here is SAFETY .
Is it safe for me to share the road with cars ?
Generally so , but how about doing the same , going up hills ?
Or in inclement weather , like wind , or heavy rain ?
That is why bicycle lanes are important.I am responsible for my own safety , and moreso , because I do n't have the protection that a car would afford me .
I have to be able to say that it would be better for me to ride slowly on that sidewalk than it would be for me to ride among the cars in heavy , visibility-reducing rain , or when I 'm riding into the sunlight at dawn or dusk ( sunglare on windows and/or driver dazzle ) .Bike riders may put themselves in danger by not following the rules , but pretending to be something I 'm not ( a car ) has landed me in more potentially dangerous situations than taking comprehensive control of the situation in the first place .
To my irritation , that also includes bending rules not meant to be bent .
What is truly important here is that we be given a place ( a bicycle lane ) where they can both follow the rules and be safe 99 \ % of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Making my own lane' isn't a solution in those situations, because 'making my own lane' only works well on wide roads at nighttime.
Tell me, what's the right solution?The visible intent here is to give cyclists some safety space while they have to ride among the cars, especially at night.
Cars tend to push that safety space to the limits (how many times have I almost been clipped by a car's mirror?
), and any practical edge is worth it.Who pays for the road is a question of how corporatist might makes right.
The real, tangible question here is SAFETY.
Is it safe for me to share the road with cars?
Generally so, but how about doing the same, going up hills?
Or in inclement weather, like wind, or heavy rain?
That is why bicycle lanes are important.I am responsible for my own safety, and moreso, because I don't have the protection that a car would afford me.
I have to be able to say that it would be better for me to ride slowly on that sidewalk than it would be for me to ride among the cars in heavy, visibility-reducing rain, or when I'm riding into the sunlight at dawn or dusk (sunglare on windows and/or driver dazzle).Bike riders may put themselves in danger by not following the rules, but pretending to be something I'm not (a car) has landed me in more potentially dangerous situations than taking comprehensive control of the situation in the first place.
To my irritation, that also includes bending rules not meant to be bent.
What is truly important here is that we be given a place (a bicycle lane) where they can both follow the rules and be safe 99\% of the time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28564587</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>shermo</author>
	<datestamp>1246530180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Parent poster here. Actually, I agree with you. I don't ride in the middle of the road for extended periods of time. There's probably the next set of lights within 90 seconds anyway, where I'll catch right back up to traffic that squeezed past me.</p><p>The law here makes it a crime to travel less than 20kph below the speed limit on a highway. This doesn't apply to residential roads, but perhaps it's useful as a guide. That means if you're travelling less than 30k you shouldn't be obstructing traffic flow. Or conversely, motorists should be ready to slow down to 30kph if necessary. If you'd prefer to use a geometric relationship, use 40kph instead. That's probably slightly faster than cruising speed on level ground, but not significantly so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Parent poster here .
Actually , I agree with you .
I do n't ride in the middle of the road for extended periods of time .
There 's probably the next set of lights within 90 seconds anyway , where I 'll catch right back up to traffic that squeezed past me.The law here makes it a crime to travel less than 20kph below the speed limit on a highway .
This does n't apply to residential roads , but perhaps it 's useful as a guide .
That means if you 're travelling less than 30k you should n't be obstructing traffic flow .
Or conversely , motorists should be ready to slow down to 30kph if necessary .
If you 'd prefer to use a geometric relationship , use 40kph instead .
That 's probably slightly faster than cruising speed on level ground , but not significantly so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Parent poster here.
Actually, I agree with you.
I don't ride in the middle of the road for extended periods of time.
There's probably the next set of lights within 90 seconds anyway, where I'll catch right back up to traffic that squeezed past me.The law here makes it a crime to travel less than 20kph below the speed limit on a highway.
This doesn't apply to residential roads, but perhaps it's useful as a guide.
That means if you're travelling less than 30k you shouldn't be obstructing traffic flow.
Or conversely, motorists should be ready to slow down to 30kph if necessary.
If you'd prefer to use a geometric relationship, use 40kph instead.
That's probably slightly faster than cruising speed on level ground, but not significantly so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28558041</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246550880000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agreed with everything you said except: "-cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs, and they CAN travel through red lights.".  I've never heard this.  AFAIK, bikers follow the same laws as cars.  I always obey all lights and signs when I bike, and all those bikers that don't are asking for trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agreed with everything you said except : " -cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs , and they CAN travel through red lights. " .
I 've never heard this .
AFAIK , bikers follow the same laws as cars .
I always obey all lights and signs when I bike , and all those bikers that do n't are asking for trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agreed with everything you said except: "-cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs, and they CAN travel through red lights.".
I've never heard this.
AFAIK, bikers follow the same laws as cars.
I always obey all lights and signs when I bike, and all those bikers that don't are asking for trouble.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557209</id>
	<title>Unfortunately no one cares about bikes or the lane</title>
	<author>dindi</author>
	<datestamp>1246547280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where I live (Costa Rica) it is a tidbit better than where I used to live before (Hungary), but generally at both places the sad truth comes down to this:</p><p>1. no one cares/respects bikes<br>2. when you are on the sidewalk you are a damn bicycle<br>3. when you are on the road you are not a vehicle enough - people would actually pull out in front of you thinking that you are just a bike and will definitely stop easily.... I ended up on the windshield like that once and believe me I have total control over my brakes and the bike as I was racing for years (now doing enduro which is a more high speed activity)<br>4. when you are on the bike lane (which is shared/divided by a line from the walking lane) you get people walking on the bike lane and I actually got into a fight over people blocking the way and then making nasty comments when you politely remind them that the pedestrian part of the was is over the line<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... (it sucks to tell a dad in front of his family to please not get beaten up by you in front of the whole family and to politely stand down before bad things happen when he runs at you in a fist-fight position)....<br>5. If there is no physical protection on the lane it is used to : a: overtake other cars b: park cars</p><p>Well at least in Hungary there is a bicycle lane in the capital (dunno what is up with other cities) and mostly it is a lane divided from the sidewalk, but in Costa Rica there is not even a sidewalk for pedestrians...   which sucks as I love to walk to places. Never rode a bicycle here, but have several heated conversation while riding my motorbike and idiots do not respect your way at all.......</p><p>Most bikers generally agree that if something happens here, just gently kick the door/blinkers of the car if an apology does not follow - motocross boots can do some damage with one single kick<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...... I personally prefer to confront people and explain to them to respect bikers because one day someone will beat the crap out of them if you push the wrong biker too much. Hitting on the roof and screaming at the driver usually provides them with enough of a shock to look out before turning the next time....</p><p>Back to the topic: maybe in 50 years when we decide to build side walks bigger than 1meter and when these people learn how to keep their own lane.... maybe then.. just maybe we can have projected lanes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... yeah right</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where I live ( Costa Rica ) it is a tidbit better than where I used to live before ( Hungary ) , but generally at both places the sad truth comes down to this : 1. no one cares/respects bikes2 .
when you are on the sidewalk you are a damn bicycle3 .
when you are on the road you are not a vehicle enough - people would actually pull out in front of you thinking that you are just a bike and will definitely stop easily.... I ended up on the windshield like that once and believe me I have total control over my brakes and the bike as I was racing for years ( now doing enduro which is a more high speed activity ) 4. when you are on the bike lane ( which is shared/divided by a line from the walking lane ) you get people walking on the bike lane and I actually got into a fight over people blocking the way and then making nasty comments when you politely remind them that the pedestrian part of the was is over the line ... ( it sucks to tell a dad in front of his family to please not get beaten up by you in front of the whole family and to politely stand down before bad things happen when he runs at you in a fist-fight position ) ....5 .
If there is no physical protection on the lane it is used to : a : overtake other cars b : park carsWell at least in Hungary there is a bicycle lane in the capital ( dunno what is up with other cities ) and mostly it is a lane divided from the sidewalk , but in Costa Rica there is not even a sidewalk for pedestrians... which sucks as I love to walk to places .
Never rode a bicycle here , but have several heated conversation while riding my motorbike and idiots do not respect your way at all.......Most bikers generally agree that if something happens here , just gently kick the door/blinkers of the car if an apology does not follow - motocross boots can do some damage with one single kick ...... I personally prefer to confront people and explain to them to respect bikers because one day someone will beat the crap out of them if you push the wrong biker too much .
Hitting on the roof and screaming at the driver usually provides them with enough of a shock to look out before turning the next time....Back to the topic : maybe in 50 years when we decide to build side walks bigger than 1meter and when these people learn how to keep their own lane.... maybe then.. just maybe we can have projected lanes .... yeah right</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where I live (Costa Rica) it is a tidbit better than where I used to live before (Hungary), but generally at both places the sad truth comes down to this:1. no one cares/respects bikes2.
when you are on the sidewalk you are a damn bicycle3.
when you are on the road you are not a vehicle enough - people would actually pull out in front of you thinking that you are just a bike and will definitely stop easily.... I ended up on the windshield like that once and believe me I have total control over my brakes and the bike as I was racing for years (now doing enduro which is a more high speed activity)4. when you are on the bike lane (which is shared/divided by a line from the walking lane) you get people walking on the bike lane and I actually got into a fight over people blocking the way and then making nasty comments when you politely remind them that the pedestrian part of the was is over the line ... (it sucks to tell a dad in front of his family to please not get beaten up by you in front of the whole family and to politely stand down before bad things happen when he runs at you in a fist-fight position)....5.
If there is no physical protection on the lane it is used to : a: overtake other cars b: park carsWell at least in Hungary there is a bicycle lane in the capital (dunno what is up with other cities) and mostly it is a lane divided from the sidewalk, but in Costa Rica there is not even a sidewalk for pedestrians...   which sucks as I love to walk to places.
Never rode a bicycle here, but have several heated conversation while riding my motorbike and idiots do not respect your way at all.......Most bikers generally agree that if something happens here, just gently kick the door/blinkers of the car if an apology does not follow - motocross boots can do some damage with one single kick ...... I personally prefer to confront people and explain to them to respect bikers because one day someone will beat the crap out of them if you push the wrong biker too much.
Hitting on the roof and screaming at the driver usually provides them with enough of a shock to look out before turning the next time....Back to the topic: maybe in 50 years when we decide to build side walks bigger than 1meter and when these people learn how to keep their own lane.... maybe then.. just maybe we can have projected lanes .... yeah right</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:In NYC, we have less tolerance...for cars that</title>
	<author>spiffmastercow</author>
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That's because you live in a densely populated area, where nobody could go more than 5 mph even if they wanted to.  Spend an hour on the freeway at 20 mph because there's cyclist blocking the entire road and you'll understand where the bike haters are coming from.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because you live in a densely populated area , where nobody could go more than 5 mph even if they wanted to .
Spend an hour on the freeway at 20 mph because there 's cyclist blocking the entire road and you 'll understand where the bike haters are coming from .</tokentext>
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That's because you live in a densely populated area, where nobody could go more than 5 mph even if they wanted to.
Spend an hour on the freeway at 20 mph because there's cyclist blocking the entire road and you'll understand where the bike haters are coming from.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556377</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p><i>I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... worthless and dangerous.</i></p><p>It's illegal for bicycles (and pedestrians) to be on interstates, for their own safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville , a minor 10 mile ride , and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous.It 's illegal for bicycles ( and pedestrians ) to be on interstates , for their own safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous.It's illegal for bicycles (and pedestrians) to be on interstates, for their own safety.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557623</id>
	<title>Re:In NYC, we have less tolerance...for cars that</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>From a NY perspective, the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all. They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world's most crowded places. Keep that sh*t parked outside the city and take public transportation.</p></div><p>Yeah.  It's almost like they think they're allowed to drive on the paved, motor-vehicle-centric streets that they paid for.  I'll let you in on a secret: people with your unjustified sense of entitlement are the reason most motorists shrug when they hear about a biker getting run over.</p><p>Yes, I ride my bike to work sometimes.  No, I'm unlikely to get run over by leaping in front of a vehicle even if I technically had the right to.</p></div>
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<tokenext>From a NY perspective , the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all .
They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world 's most crowded places .
Keep that sh * t parked outside the city and take public transportation.Yeah .
It 's almost like they think they 're allowed to drive on the paved , motor-vehicle-centric streets that they paid for .
I 'll let you in on a secret : people with your unjustified sense of entitlement are the reason most motorists shrug when they hear about a biker getting run over.Yes , I ride my bike to work sometimes .
No , I 'm unlikely to get run over by leaping in front of a vehicle even if I technically had the right to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From a NY perspective, the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all.
They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world's most crowded places.
Keep that sh*t parked outside the city and take public transportation.Yeah.
It's almost like they think they're allowed to drive on the paved, motor-vehicle-centric streets that they paid for.
I'll let you in on a secret: people with your unjustified sense of entitlement are the reason most motorists shrug when they hear about a biker getting run over.Yes, I ride my bike to work sometimes.
No, I'm unlikely to get run over by leaping in front of a vehicle even if I technically had the right to.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28558449</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>NP-Incomplete</author>
	<datestamp>1246552980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Traffic laws vary by state. 2x2 riding is allowed in Texas but was NOT in Massachusetts until April 15th of 2009 <a href="http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/85-11b.htm" title="mass.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/85-11b.htm</a> [mass.gov]. I'm curious which states allow bikes to ignore traffic control devices because the above two most certainly do not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Traffic laws vary by state .
2x2 riding is allowed in Texas but was NOT in Massachusetts until April 15th of 2009 http : //www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/85-11b.htm [ mass.gov ] .
I 'm curious which states allow bikes to ignore traffic control devices because the above two most certainly do not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Traffic laws vary by state.
2x2 riding is allowed in Texas but was NOT in Massachusetts until April 15th of 2009 http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/85-11b.htm [mass.gov].
I'm curious which states allow bikes to ignore traffic control devices because the above two most certainly do not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28560747</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p><i>Anyway, as a dutch person who has biked in the states (Knoxville, TN area) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads. </i></p><p>As an American visiting Amsterdam, I was absolutely appalled by the risks pedestrians have to take when crossing the roads to avoid being run over by bicyclists talking on their cellphoness!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyway , as a dutch person who has biked in the states ( Knoxville , TN area ) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads .
As an American visiting Amsterdam , I was absolutely appalled by the risks pedestrians have to take when crossing the roads to avoid being run over by bicyclists talking on their cellphoness !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyway, as a dutch person who has biked in the states (Knoxville, TN area) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads.
As an American visiting Amsterdam, I was absolutely appalled by the risks pedestrians have to take when crossing the roads to avoid being run over by bicyclists talking on their cellphoness!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28558681</id>
	<title>This "Bikes vs Cars" Mentality is Damaging</title>
	<author>harpune</author>
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	<htmltext>This "Cars vs Bikes" argument is old and played out. I'm a cyclist who drives occasionally and I'm a driver who bikes for fun. I can understand the frustration on both sides of the issue. I don't tend to give much though to the law, but in this case having rules to follow keeps both parties safe, happy and on-time. For the most part, both the drivers and cyclists I have encountered have followed those rules, and so I don't know why these internet discussions get so heated. When I'm in a car my mild inconvenience is worth your safety as a cyclist, and if I'm on my bike, respecting traffic signals and right-of-way doesn't significantly decrease my own travel time. No one should be in such a hurry that they put their safety and the safety of others at risk. Admittedly, though I regularly participate in Seattle's Critical Mass, which damages my moral standing in the argument.
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More on topic, this idea isn't really that great. It all depends on how it is implemented and marketed. Something like this might give a self-righteous rider more encouragement. It does seem like it could be useful, merely as a visibility tool, but the pattern that is projected probably has as big an effect on the inflation of the riders sense of importance as it does on the driver's visibility of the rider, and so I'm not sure the 'bike lane' metaphor is the best choice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This " Cars vs Bikes " argument is old and played out .
I 'm a cyclist who drives occasionally and I 'm a driver who bikes for fun .
I can understand the frustration on both sides of the issue .
I do n't tend to give much though to the law , but in this case having rules to follow keeps both parties safe , happy and on-time .
For the most part , both the drivers and cyclists I have encountered have followed those rules , and so I do n't know why these internet discussions get so heated .
When I 'm in a car my mild inconvenience is worth your safety as a cyclist , and if I 'm on my bike , respecting traffic signals and right-of-way does n't significantly decrease my own travel time .
No one should be in such a hurry that they put their safety and the safety of others at risk .
Admittedly , though I regularly participate in Seattle 's Critical Mass , which damages my moral standing in the argument .
More on topic , this idea is n't really that great .
It all depends on how it is implemented and marketed .
Something like this might give a self-righteous rider more encouragement .
It does seem like it could be useful , merely as a visibility tool , but the pattern that is projected probably has as big an effect on the inflation of the riders sense of importance as it does on the driver 's visibility of the rider , and so I 'm not sure the 'bike lane ' metaphor is the best choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This "Cars vs Bikes" argument is old and played out.
I'm a cyclist who drives occasionally and I'm a driver who bikes for fun.
I can understand the frustration on both sides of the issue.
I don't tend to give much though to the law, but in this case having rules to follow keeps both parties safe, happy and on-time.
For the most part, both the drivers and cyclists I have encountered have followed those rules, and so I don't know why these internet discussions get so heated.
When I'm in a car my mild inconvenience is worth your safety as a cyclist, and if I'm on my bike, respecting traffic signals and right-of-way doesn't significantly decrease my own travel time.
No one should be in such a hurry that they put their safety and the safety of others at risk.
Admittedly, though I regularly participate in Seattle's Critical Mass, which damages my moral standing in the argument.
More on topic, this idea isn't really that great.
It all depends on how it is implemented and marketed.
Something like this might give a self-righteous rider more encouragement.
It does seem like it could be useful, merely as a visibility tool, but the pattern that is projected probably has as big an effect on the inflation of the riders sense of importance as it does on the driver's visibility of the rider, and so I'm not sure the 'bike lane' metaphor is the best choice.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555121</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>serviscope\_minor</author>
	<datestamp>1246527300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>and.... you're the jerk that causes accidents. You have a baseless sense of entitlement. The road IS for CARS. When there is a BIKE LANE, it is for BOTH CARS and BIKES.</i></p><p>You know, ignorance of the law is no excuse in the eyes of the law, right?</p><p><i>If you're upset that you don't have enough bike lanes where you are then get together and form a group. Press your local politicians to add access for bicyclists. That maybe if it was much safer for all of you, that more people would choose it. More of a green solution and get's people exercise. Heck, even go militant and start painting bike lanes yourself.</i></p><p>If your upset about cars on the road, then form  group and try to get them banned.</p><p><i>Your complaint about "safe room to pass" completely, and in accordance with your poor attitude, ignores the fact that those roads were not designed to have both a car and a bike in that space. If it were, after all, there might be a bike lane. While you're "pissing off" the cars behind you that have to slow down do you realize that by doing so you are creating an environment where it is more likely for accidents to occur? I bet not.</i></p><p>I love when I see people like you stuck behing a tractor, combine or swather. There's no way you can bully a vehicle of that size, so the best you can do is sit in your car turning purple. That's really funny to watch.</p><p><i>You're fairly stupid too. Do you realize that you are directly, and petulantly, confronting people in multi-ton objects that can move faster and with more force than you, and have considerably more safety features (and the ability to withstand crashes) than you do? That's not flaming, but an honest assesment of your behavior. But, that's okay. Be right. DEAD right.</i></p><p>Out of interest, if I changed the game by (eg) carrying around an RPG-7 on my bike does that make it OK? You see, then I'm confronting a multi-ton object wich has no defense in the face of superior firepower. That way, I can be wrong but very much alive. By your (lack of) logic, this is the best course to take, and the car is obliged to give me right of way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and.... you 're the jerk that causes accidents .
You have a baseless sense of entitlement .
The road IS for CARS .
When there is a BIKE LANE , it is for BOTH CARS and BIKES.You know , ignorance of the law is no excuse in the eyes of the law , right ? If you 're upset that you do n't have enough bike lanes where you are then get together and form a group .
Press your local politicians to add access for bicyclists .
That maybe if it was much safer for all of you , that more people would choose it .
More of a green solution and get 's people exercise .
Heck , even go militant and start painting bike lanes yourself.If your upset about cars on the road , then form group and try to get them banned.Your complaint about " safe room to pass " completely , and in accordance with your poor attitude , ignores the fact that those roads were not designed to have both a car and a bike in that space .
If it were , after all , there might be a bike lane .
While you 're " pissing off " the cars behind you that have to slow down do you realize that by doing so you are creating an environment where it is more likely for accidents to occur ?
I bet not.I love when I see people like you stuck behing a tractor , combine or swather .
There 's no way you can bully a vehicle of that size , so the best you can do is sit in your car turning purple .
That 's really funny to watch.You 're fairly stupid too .
Do you realize that you are directly , and petulantly , confronting people in multi-ton objects that can move faster and with more force than you , and have considerably more safety features ( and the ability to withstand crashes ) than you do ?
That 's not flaming , but an honest assesment of your behavior .
But , that 's okay .
Be right .
DEAD right.Out of interest , if I changed the game by ( eg ) carrying around an RPG-7 on my bike does that make it OK ?
You see , then I 'm confronting a multi-ton object wich has no defense in the face of superior firepower .
That way , I can be wrong but very much alive .
By your ( lack of ) logic , this is the best course to take , and the car is obliged to give me right of way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and.... you're the jerk that causes accidents.
You have a baseless sense of entitlement.
The road IS for CARS.
When there is a BIKE LANE, it is for BOTH CARS and BIKES.You know, ignorance of the law is no excuse in the eyes of the law, right?If you're upset that you don't have enough bike lanes where you are then get together and form a group.
Press your local politicians to add access for bicyclists.
That maybe if it was much safer for all of you, that more people would choose it.
More of a green solution and get's people exercise.
Heck, even go militant and start painting bike lanes yourself.If your upset about cars on the road, then form  group and try to get them banned.Your complaint about "safe room to pass" completely, and in accordance with your poor attitude, ignores the fact that those roads were not designed to have both a car and a bike in that space.
If it were, after all, there might be a bike lane.
While you're "pissing off" the cars behind you that have to slow down do you realize that by doing so you are creating an environment where it is more likely for accidents to occur?
I bet not.I love when I see people like you stuck behing a tractor, combine or swather.
There's no way you can bully a vehicle of that size, so the best you can do is sit in your car turning purple.
That's really funny to watch.You're fairly stupid too.
Do you realize that you are directly, and petulantly, confronting people in multi-ton objects that can move faster and with more force than you, and have considerably more safety features (and the ability to withstand crashes) than you do?
That's not flaming, but an honest assesment of your behavior.
But, that's okay.
Be right.
DEAD right.Out of interest, if I changed the game by (eg) carrying around an RPG-7 on my bike does that make it OK?
You see, then I'm confronting a multi-ton object wich has no defense in the face of superior firepower.
That way, I can be wrong but very much alive.
By your (lack of) logic, this is the best course to take, and the car is obliged to give me right of way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28558661</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p>Another idiot self-righteous commuter who makes up rules as they go along, relying on books written by those making a dubious political statement:</p><p>"-motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists, including passing laws. It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass' line on their side, just as it is when passing a car. "</p><p>Except it's not.  You're wrong.  While true a motorist must obey all laws, you aren't very knowledgeable about road laws.</p><p>I suggest you read more state laws.  For example, most states allow passing of any vehicle that is travelling less than half of the posted speed limit.  Doesn't matter if there is a solid yellow or double solid yellow.  It's legal as long as it is safely done.  It has crap to do with yellow lines, it has more to do with the posted speed limit and distance from formal intersections.  In doing so, a vehicle operator is obeying the law and, in turn, passes the cyclist, which you stated as fact that this was prohibited.</p><p>Most cyclists can hardly maintain 17mph on a road.  Where I am, most aren't pushing 12.  iow, they are legal to pass on most through streets where I live.  You seem confused as if the yellow means absolutely no pass, and it doesn't.  It simply means road laws are in force, as opposed to a residential area, where in some states the road laws are relaxed, i.e. no posted speed limits but lawfully it's 25mph.</p><p>"-cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs, and they CAN travel through red lights. They have to make a concerted effort, however, to show responsibility and safety"</p><p>This depends on the laws of the state and case law.  For example, in my state, if you are operating a bicycle on a road, acting like a vehicle, and in particular hold a driver's license of any sort and put that argument forward in court, you in turn must operate like a vehicle.  That means coming to stops and signaling.  You can be cited (albeit hugely unlikely).</p><p>If the state considers the bicyclist a pedestrian, then he can be cited for jaywalking or moving against a light.</p><p>You seem to come to a similar conclusion later when you state "-in general, a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway."  Weird that you have exceptions when stating these tidbits or points of "fact" that are so blatently against most states road laws.</p><p>"While that may be true from a physical standpoint, in a court of law, if the motorist hits a cyclist, and the cyclists was obeying the laws of the road, then that's assault with a deadly weapon, and the motorist will be brought up on at least vehicular man-slaughter charges, if not murder (if the cyclist dies)."</p><p>BS.  You've given numerous examples above where you think the cyclist was EXEMPT from rules of the road, even giving straight point blank blowing stop signs and red lights.  Give me a case where a cyclist was hit in an accident where the motorist was brought up on typical murder chargers.  At best it's manslaughter, and the prosecutor better have a solid case before proceeding or threatening to.</p><p>It's attitudes like yours which makes it a worse world for all of us.  Many states, mine included, have more recently passed laws to hold bicyclists on motor vehicle roads as pedestrians (unless the bicyclist offers up they are a vehicle because the rider has a valid driver's license, see above), and have since passed laws that pedestrians are 2nd to vehicles on roads unless in crosswalks or intersections obeying the light.  This puts all pedestrians, mainly walkers, at risk, because of a few jackasses.</p><p>It's simply wishful thinking of you to cite everything advantageous to bicycles when clearly it's not.</p><p>"If an aggressive motorist makes a movement of any sort towards you, or threatens you even if you are not touched or physically harmed, that is assault (if you even fear an aggressive driver, that's assault)."</p><p>First, in practice, simple and pure assault charges are rarely given in physical confrontations, much less road cases.  Usually they a</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another idiot self-righteous commuter who makes up rules as they go along , relying on books written by those making a dubious political statement : " -motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists , including passing laws .
It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass ' line on their side , just as it is when passing a car .
" Except it 's not .
You 're wrong .
While true a motorist must obey all laws , you are n't very knowledgeable about road laws.I suggest you read more state laws .
For example , most states allow passing of any vehicle that is travelling less than half of the posted speed limit .
Does n't matter if there is a solid yellow or double solid yellow .
It 's legal as long as it is safely done .
It has crap to do with yellow lines , it has more to do with the posted speed limit and distance from formal intersections .
In doing so , a vehicle operator is obeying the law and , in turn , passes the cyclist , which you stated as fact that this was prohibited.Most cyclists can hardly maintain 17mph on a road .
Where I am , most are n't pushing 12. iow , they are legal to pass on most through streets where I live .
You seem confused as if the yellow means absolutely no pass , and it does n't .
It simply means road laws are in force , as opposed to a residential area , where in some states the road laws are relaxed , i.e .
no posted speed limits but lawfully it 's 25mph .
" -cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs , and they CAN travel through red lights .
They have to make a concerted effort , however , to show responsibility and safety " This depends on the laws of the state and case law .
For example , in my state , if you are operating a bicycle on a road , acting like a vehicle , and in particular hold a driver 's license of any sort and put that argument forward in court , you in turn must operate like a vehicle .
That means coming to stops and signaling .
You can be cited ( albeit hugely unlikely ) .If the state considers the bicyclist a pedestrian , then he can be cited for jaywalking or moving against a light.You seem to come to a similar conclusion later when you state " -in general , a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway .
" Weird that you have exceptions when stating these tidbits or points of " fact " that are so blatently against most states road laws .
" While that may be true from a physical standpoint , in a court of law , if the motorist hits a cyclist , and the cyclists was obeying the laws of the road , then that 's assault with a deadly weapon , and the motorist will be brought up on at least vehicular man-slaughter charges , if not murder ( if the cyclist dies ) . " BS .
You 've given numerous examples above where you think the cyclist was EXEMPT from rules of the road , even giving straight point blank blowing stop signs and red lights .
Give me a case where a cyclist was hit in an accident where the motorist was brought up on typical murder chargers .
At best it 's manslaughter , and the prosecutor better have a solid case before proceeding or threatening to.It 's attitudes like yours which makes it a worse world for all of us .
Many states , mine included , have more recently passed laws to hold bicyclists on motor vehicle roads as pedestrians ( unless the bicyclist offers up they are a vehicle because the rider has a valid driver 's license , see above ) , and have since passed laws that pedestrians are 2nd to vehicles on roads unless in crosswalks or intersections obeying the light .
This puts all pedestrians , mainly walkers , at risk , because of a few jackasses.It 's simply wishful thinking of you to cite everything advantageous to bicycles when clearly it 's not .
" If an aggressive motorist makes a movement of any sort towards you , or threatens you even if you are not touched or physically harmed , that is assault ( if you even fear an aggressive driver , that 's assault ) .
" First , in practice , simple and pure assault charges are rarely given in physical confrontations , much less road cases .
Usually they a</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another idiot self-righteous commuter who makes up rules as they go along, relying on books written by those making a dubious political statement:"-motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists, including passing laws.
It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass' line on their side, just as it is when passing a car.
"Except it's not.
You're wrong.
While true a motorist must obey all laws, you aren't very knowledgeable about road laws.I suggest you read more state laws.
For example, most states allow passing of any vehicle that is travelling less than half of the posted speed limit.
Doesn't matter if there is a solid yellow or double solid yellow.
It's legal as long as it is safely done.
It has crap to do with yellow lines, it has more to do with the posted speed limit and distance from formal intersections.
In doing so, a vehicle operator is obeying the law and, in turn, passes the cyclist, which you stated as fact that this was prohibited.Most cyclists can hardly maintain 17mph on a road.
Where I am, most aren't pushing 12.  iow, they are legal to pass on most through streets where I live.
You seem confused as if the yellow means absolutely no pass, and it doesn't.
It simply means road laws are in force, as opposed to a residential area, where in some states the road laws are relaxed, i.e.
no posted speed limits but lawfully it's 25mph.
"-cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs, and they CAN travel through red lights.
They have to make a concerted effort, however, to show responsibility and safety"This depends on the laws of the state and case law.
For example, in my state, if you are operating a bicycle on a road, acting like a vehicle, and in particular hold a driver's license of any sort and put that argument forward in court, you in turn must operate like a vehicle.
That means coming to stops and signaling.
You can be cited (albeit hugely unlikely).If the state considers the bicyclist a pedestrian, then he can be cited for jaywalking or moving against a light.You seem to come to a similar conclusion later when you state "-in general, a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway.
"  Weird that you have exceptions when stating these tidbits or points of "fact" that are so blatently against most states road laws.
"While that may be true from a physical standpoint, in a court of law, if the motorist hits a cyclist, and the cyclists was obeying the laws of the road, then that's assault with a deadly weapon, and the motorist will be brought up on at least vehicular man-slaughter charges, if not murder (if the cyclist dies)."BS.
You've given numerous examples above where you think the cyclist was EXEMPT from rules of the road, even giving straight point blank blowing stop signs and red lights.
Give me a case where a cyclist was hit in an accident where the motorist was brought up on typical murder chargers.
At best it's manslaughter, and the prosecutor better have a solid case before proceeding or threatening to.It's attitudes like yours which makes it a worse world for all of us.
Many states, mine included, have more recently passed laws to hold bicyclists on motor vehicle roads as pedestrians (unless the bicyclist offers up they are a vehicle because the rider has a valid driver's license, see above), and have since passed laws that pedestrians are 2nd to vehicles on roads unless in crosswalks or intersections obeying the light.
This puts all pedestrians, mainly walkers, at risk, because of a few jackasses.It's simply wishful thinking of you to cite everything advantageous to bicycles when clearly it's not.
"If an aggressive motorist makes a movement of any sort towards you, or threatens you even if you are not touched or physically harmed, that is assault (if you even fear an aggressive driver, that's assault).
"First, in practice, simple and pure assault charges are rarely given in physical confrontations, much less road cases.
Usually they a</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555327</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Manic Miner</author>
	<datestamp>1246530420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So let me get this right.... you think it is the cyclists fault if a car driver passes them on a blind corner and then has an accident? If it's a blind corner then the car driver should wait until they can see! Would you blame a tractor or other slow moving vehicle if you had a crash while trying to overtake them on a blind corner??</p><p>Cyclists cycle out from the curb because it is the safest way to cycle, otherwise they frequently end up getting run over / pushed off the road as cars try and squeeze past while traffic is in the other lane. I've been run off the road by a car trying to squeeze past then suddenly realising there is a truck coming so they need to move over more.. right into me.</p><p>I used to try and cycle in a way that made it easy for car drivers to get past etc. But I've been nearly hit, cut up and run off the road too many times. Now I cycle out from the curb and car drivers pass me properly and I've had no issues with being cut up, it is by far the safest way to cycle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So let me get this right.... you think it is the cyclists fault if a car driver passes them on a blind corner and then has an accident ?
If it 's a blind corner then the car driver should wait until they can see !
Would you blame a tractor or other slow moving vehicle if you had a crash while trying to overtake them on a blind corner ?
? Cyclists cycle out from the curb because it is the safest way to cycle , otherwise they frequently end up getting run over / pushed off the road as cars try and squeeze past while traffic is in the other lane .
I 've been run off the road by a car trying to squeeze past then suddenly realising there is a truck coming so they need to move over more.. right into me.I used to try and cycle in a way that made it easy for car drivers to get past etc .
But I 've been nearly hit , cut up and run off the road too many times .
Now I cycle out from the curb and car drivers pass me properly and I 've had no issues with being cut up , it is by far the safest way to cycle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So let me get this right.... you think it is the cyclists fault if a car driver passes them on a blind corner and then has an accident?
If it's a blind corner then the car driver should wait until they can see!
Would you blame a tractor or other slow moving vehicle if you had a crash while trying to overtake them on a blind corner?
?Cyclists cycle out from the curb because it is the safest way to cycle, otherwise they frequently end up getting run over / pushed off the road as cars try and squeeze past while traffic is in the other lane.
I've been run off the road by a car trying to squeeze past then suddenly realising there is a truck coming so they need to move over more.. right into me.I used to try and cycle in a way that made it easy for car drivers to get past etc.
But I've been nearly hit, cut up and run off the road too many times.
Now I cycle out from the curb and car drivers pass me properly and I've had no issues with being cut up, it is by far the safest way to cycle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554395</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246475520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until you start paying rego, compulsary third party insurance and obeying the road rules you don't have any moral right to make use of the road.</p><p>Also one person holding up 10, 20 or 100 others while freeloading on the road that the others are paying for isn't exactly the way to make friends.</p><p>Or in other words, move the fuck over.</p><p>And I ask you this, would it bother you if I ride my unregistered dirt bike,  horse or skateboard in the "bike lane" slowing you down?  Goddamned right it would, you pricks are as aggressive as, it even shows in your attitude in internet postings.</p><p>Ultimately I don't care if you have to ride in the gutter because you want to do 20k in a 80k zone as long as you don't crash into me.</p><p>I ride three or four times a week and know my place when I hit the road, that is I'm living on borrowed time at everybody elses expense, patience and convenience riding my bike on a piece of government infrastructure that was not designed for nor payed for by push bike riders.  When your in that position it's best to at least be a little coy about it, strangely there's a type of person who thinks that they're somehow entitled to freeload and intentionally piss everyone else off just because they feel like it.</p><p>Attention whores generally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until you start paying rego , compulsary third party insurance and obeying the road rules you do n't have any moral right to make use of the road.Also one person holding up 10 , 20 or 100 others while freeloading on the road that the others are paying for is n't exactly the way to make friends.Or in other words , move the fuck over.And I ask you this , would it bother you if I ride my unregistered dirt bike , horse or skateboard in the " bike lane " slowing you down ?
Goddamned right it would , you pricks are as aggressive as , it even shows in your attitude in internet postings.Ultimately I do n't care if you have to ride in the gutter because you want to do 20k in a 80k zone as long as you do n't crash into me.I ride three or four times a week and know my place when I hit the road , that is I 'm living on borrowed time at everybody elses expense , patience and convenience riding my bike on a piece of government infrastructure that was not designed for nor payed for by push bike riders .
When your in that position it 's best to at least be a little coy about it , strangely there 's a type of person who thinks that they 're somehow entitled to freeload and intentionally piss everyone else off just because they feel like it.Attention whores generally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until you start paying rego, compulsary third party insurance and obeying the road rules you don't have any moral right to make use of the road.Also one person holding up 10, 20 or 100 others while freeloading on the road that the others are paying for isn't exactly the way to make friends.Or in other words, move the fuck over.And I ask you this, would it bother you if I ride my unregistered dirt bike,  horse or skateboard in the "bike lane" slowing you down?
Goddamned right it would, you pricks are as aggressive as, it even shows in your attitude in internet postings.Ultimately I don't care if you have to ride in the gutter because you want to do 20k in a 80k zone as long as you don't crash into me.I ride three or four times a week and know my place when I hit the road, that is I'm living on borrowed time at everybody elses expense, patience and convenience riding my bike on a piece of government infrastructure that was not designed for nor payed for by push bike riders.
When your in that position it's best to at least be a little coy about it, strangely there's a type of person who thinks that they're somehow entitled to freeload and intentionally piss everyone else off just because they feel like it.Attention whores generally.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28567409</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Lunzo</author>
	<datestamp>1246546860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The key words which describe why the cyclists are taking up a whole lane are "bike race". No one rides single file in a race. In fact, I'm surprised the road isn't closed to normal traffic while the race is on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The key words which describe why the cyclists are taking up a whole lane are " bike race " .
No one rides single file in a race .
In fact , I 'm surprised the road is n't closed to normal traffic while the race is on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The key words which describe why the cyclists are taking up a whole lane are "bike race".
No one rides single file in a race.
In fact, I'm surprised the road isn't closed to normal traffic while the race is on.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555935</id>
	<title>Re:Insurance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246538760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What insurance do you have that raises your rates for an accident that you are not found to be at fault for? I don't think I have heard of such a thing before...</p><p>As for the roads being paid for by taxation, I'm guessing a lot of that taxation is just on people, not just motorists. Also, it's not like bicycles are the cause of deteriorating roads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What insurance do you have that raises your rates for an accident that you are not found to be at fault for ?
I do n't think I have heard of such a thing before...As for the roads being paid for by taxation , I 'm guessing a lot of that taxation is just on people , not just motorists .
Also , it 's not like bicycles are the cause of deteriorating roads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What insurance do you have that raises your rates for an accident that you are not found to be at fault for?
I don't think I have heard of such a thing before...As for the roads being paid for by taxation, I'm guessing a lot of that taxation is just on people, not just motorists.
Also, it's not like bicycles are the cause of deteriorating roads.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554357</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>Ethanol-fueled</author>
	<datestamp>1246475100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh noes, it's "illegal" to ride on the footpaths! Trust me, that cop in the right lane will thank you for staying the fuck off the goddamn street, and every other motorist will also.<br> <br>

Girlintraining has a point - bike riders are <b>fucking douches</b> who need to <b>stay the fuck off the goddamn street.</b> Most of them are baby boomer scum and their douchebag offspring who've bankrupted the country and are now living out their <b>mid-life crises</b> and <b>only-child entitlements</b> in their <b>obnoxious bike shorts</b> and neon spandex and their <b>stupid-looking dickhead helmets</b> which are a slap in the face because they're playing chicken with multi-ton armored shells while swerving into busy streets at 3mph. <br> <br>

I love riding bikes and skateboarding but I stay the fuck off the goddamn road. I've rode on the sidewalk my <i>entire life</i> and I've never been cited, even as cops drove right by. I like it better that way because I know I won't be knocked the fuck off my bike. Motorists like it that way because they don't have to deal with your 50-million dollar lawsuit and medical bills.<br> <br>

<b>2 things</b> in life will always succeed in pissing me the fuck off. The first is fucking religious morons, Jesus and Allah suck my cock etc. The second is fucking silver-spoon douchebags or dumb-shit starving students, breast-fed and ass-wiped by mommy till age 20, riding their fucking bikes in the street. They make me want to do a Grizwold <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgCU4xwZ1SU" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">European Vacation</a> [youtube.com][skip to 5:00] on their ass.<br> <br>

-1, motherfuckers!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh noes , it 's " illegal " to ride on the footpaths !
Trust me , that cop in the right lane will thank you for staying the fuck off the goddamn street , and every other motorist will also .
Girlintraining has a point - bike riders are fucking douches who need to stay the fuck off the goddamn street .
Most of them are baby boomer scum and their douchebag offspring who 've bankrupted the country and are now living out their mid-life crises and only-child entitlements in their obnoxious bike shorts and neon spandex and their stupid-looking dickhead helmets which are a slap in the face because they 're playing chicken with multi-ton armored shells while swerving into busy streets at 3mph .
I love riding bikes and skateboarding but I stay the fuck off the goddamn road .
I 've rode on the sidewalk my entire life and I 've never been cited , even as cops drove right by .
I like it better that way because I know I wo n't be knocked the fuck off my bike .
Motorists like it that way because they do n't have to deal with your 50-million dollar lawsuit and medical bills .
2 things in life will always succeed in pissing me the fuck off .
The first is fucking religious morons , Jesus and Allah suck my cock etc .
The second is fucking silver-spoon douchebags or dumb-shit starving students , breast-fed and ass-wiped by mommy till age 20 , riding their fucking bikes in the street .
They make me want to do a Grizwold European Vacation [ youtube.com ] [ skip to 5 : 00 ] on their ass .
-1 , motherfuckers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh noes, it's "illegal" to ride on the footpaths!
Trust me, that cop in the right lane will thank you for staying the fuck off the goddamn street, and every other motorist will also.
Girlintraining has a point - bike riders are fucking douches who need to stay the fuck off the goddamn street.
Most of them are baby boomer scum and their douchebag offspring who've bankrupted the country and are now living out their mid-life crises and only-child entitlements in their obnoxious bike shorts and neon spandex and their stupid-looking dickhead helmets which are a slap in the face because they're playing chicken with multi-ton armored shells while swerving into busy streets at 3mph.
I love riding bikes and skateboarding but I stay the fuck off the goddamn road.
I've rode on the sidewalk my entire life and I've never been cited, even as cops drove right by.
I like it better that way because I know I won't be knocked the fuck off my bike.
Motorists like it that way because they don't have to deal with your 50-million dollar lawsuit and medical bills.
2 things in life will always succeed in pissing me the fuck off.
The first is fucking religious morons, Jesus and Allah suck my cock etc.
The second is fucking silver-spoon douchebags or dumb-shit starving students, breast-fed and ass-wiped by mommy till age 20, riding their fucking bikes in the street.
They make me want to do a Grizwold European Vacation [youtube.com][skip to 5:00] on their ass.
-1, motherfuckers!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557037</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246546500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this exact thing happened to me while motor biking in malaysia.  no fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this exact thing happened to me while motor biking in malaysia .
no fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this exact thing happened to me while motor biking in malaysia.
no fun.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554881</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246567500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and.... you're the jerk that causes accidents.  You have a baseless sense of entitlement.  The road IS for CARS.  When there is a BIKE LANE, it is for BOTH CARS and BIKES.</p><p>Your complaint about "safe room to pass" completely, and in accordance with your poor attitude, ignores the fact that those roads <i>were not designed</i> to have both a car and a bike in that space.  If it were, after all, there <i>might be a bike lane</i>.</p><p>While you're "pissing off" the cars behind you that have to slow down do you realize that by doing so you are creating an environment where it is more likely for accidents to occur?  I bet not.</p><p>Bicyclists like you wear shirts, "Share the road" and whatnot, and force yourself upon the rest of us on the road and damnit all, if we just don't have to bow down and kiss your asses.  It's either that, or KILL YOU.  Which nobody with a car really wants to do, being human you know.</p><p>So how are you any different than a terrorist?  You're not.</p><p>Get over yourself.  Go where there are bike lanes, and yield as much as possible to cars where there are not, but "ultimately" respect that you don't have a <i>right</i> to be there.</p><p>You're fairly stupid too.  Do you realize that you are directly, and petulantly, confronting people in multi-ton objects that can move faster and with more force than you, and have considerably more safety features (and the ability to withstand crashes) than you do?  That's not flaming, but an honest assesment of your behavior.  But, that's okay.  Be right.  DEAD right.</p><p>If you're upset that you don't have enough bike lanes where you are then get together and form a group.  Press your local politicians to add access for bicyclists.  That maybe if it was much safer for all of you, that more people would choose it.  More of a green solution and get's people exercise.  Heck, even go militant and start painting bike lanes yourself.</p><p>Just stop foolishly engaging in a war with cars that you just can't possibly win.  It's statistics and physics.  The saddest part is that you might take somebody's else's life along with your own with your piss poor attitude.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and.... you 're the jerk that causes accidents .
You have a baseless sense of entitlement .
The road IS for CARS .
When there is a BIKE LANE , it is for BOTH CARS and BIKES.Your complaint about " safe room to pass " completely , and in accordance with your poor attitude , ignores the fact that those roads were not designed to have both a car and a bike in that space .
If it were , after all , there might be a bike lane.While you 're " pissing off " the cars behind you that have to slow down do you realize that by doing so you are creating an environment where it is more likely for accidents to occur ?
I bet not.Bicyclists like you wear shirts , " Share the road " and whatnot , and force yourself upon the rest of us on the road and damnit all , if we just do n't have to bow down and kiss your asses .
It 's either that , or KILL YOU .
Which nobody with a car really wants to do , being human you know.So how are you any different than a terrorist ?
You 're not.Get over yourself .
Go where there are bike lanes , and yield as much as possible to cars where there are not , but " ultimately " respect that you do n't have a right to be there.You 're fairly stupid too .
Do you realize that you are directly , and petulantly , confronting people in multi-ton objects that can move faster and with more force than you , and have considerably more safety features ( and the ability to withstand crashes ) than you do ?
That 's not flaming , but an honest assesment of your behavior .
But , that 's okay .
Be right .
DEAD right.If you 're upset that you do n't have enough bike lanes where you are then get together and form a group .
Press your local politicians to add access for bicyclists .
That maybe if it was much safer for all of you , that more people would choose it .
More of a green solution and get 's people exercise .
Heck , even go militant and start painting bike lanes yourself.Just stop foolishly engaging in a war with cars that you just ca n't possibly win .
It 's statistics and physics .
The saddest part is that you might take somebody 's else 's life along with your own with your piss poor attitude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and.... you're the jerk that causes accidents.
You have a baseless sense of entitlement.
The road IS for CARS.
When there is a BIKE LANE, it is for BOTH CARS and BIKES.Your complaint about "safe room to pass" completely, and in accordance with your poor attitude, ignores the fact that those roads were not designed to have both a car and a bike in that space.
If it were, after all, there might be a bike lane.While you're "pissing off" the cars behind you that have to slow down do you realize that by doing so you are creating an environment where it is more likely for accidents to occur?
I bet not.Bicyclists like you wear shirts, "Share the road" and whatnot, and force yourself upon the rest of us on the road and damnit all, if we just don't have to bow down and kiss your asses.
It's either that, or KILL YOU.
Which nobody with a car really wants to do, being human you know.So how are you any different than a terrorist?
You're not.Get over yourself.
Go where there are bike lanes, and yield as much as possible to cars where there are not, but "ultimately" respect that you don't have a right to be there.You're fairly stupid too.
Do you realize that you are directly, and petulantly, confronting people in multi-ton objects that can move faster and with more force than you, and have considerably more safety features (and the ability to withstand crashes) than you do?
That's not flaming, but an honest assesment of your behavior.
But, that's okay.
Be right.
DEAD right.If you're upset that you don't have enough bike lanes where you are then get together and form a group.
Press your local politicians to add access for bicyclists.
That maybe if it was much safer for all of you, that more people would choose it.
More of a green solution and get's people exercise.
Heck, even go militant and start painting bike lanes yourself.Just stop foolishly engaging in a war with cars that you just can't possibly win.
It's statistics and physics.
The saddest part is that you might take somebody's else's life along with your own with your piss poor attitude.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1246551900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>-cyclists can ride as 'close as practicable from the side of the road', meaning they do NOT have to ride within the boundary of the shoulder, especially if there is debris on the far side.</i></p><p>There are also laws usually against impeding the normal flow of traffic.  So yes, the cyclist DOES have to move out of the way.</p><p><i>-motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists, including passing laws. It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass' line on their side, just as it is when passing a car. Furthermore, motorists must use the same discretion when passing cyclists, say on a hill or around a curve, as they would when passing another automobile.</i></p><p>It is legal to overtake a slow moving vehicle on the left, and the slow moving vehicle MUST stay right.</p><p><a href="http://law.justia.com/california/codes/veh/21750-21759.html" title="justia.com">http://law.justia.com/california/codes/veh/21750-21759.html</a> [justia.com]</p><p><i>cyclists have the right to ride 2x2 in the road, but must let traffic pass when appropriate</i></p><p>I call bull.  Show me.  Motorcycles can't ride side by side, why would bicycles be any different?</p><p><i>cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs, and they CAN travel through red lights. They have to make a concerted effort, however, to show responsibility and safety</i></p><p>Bullshit.</p><p><i>in general, a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway. The problem is not with MOST drivers or cyclists- both parties share ignorance when it comes to cyclists. The problem is with a few, but I would say that most drivers are not aware of, or refuse to acknowledge, the laws regarding cyclists.</i></p><p>This contradicts your assertion about stop signs and red lights.</p><p>Also, in my experience, its the cyclists that don't know the laws (see running of stop signs / red lights, but pretty much any rule you have they break).</p><p>Statistics say both are equally at fault.</p><p>So take the high road; when its 94\% the fault of the driver for the accident with the bike, I'll bite.  But as it stands now, its 47\% driver fault, 47\% cyclists fault.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>-cyclists can ride as 'close as practicable from the side of the road ' , meaning they do NOT have to ride within the boundary of the shoulder , especially if there is debris on the far side.There are also laws usually against impeding the normal flow of traffic .
So yes , the cyclist DOES have to move out of the way.-motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists , including passing laws .
It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass ' line on their side , just as it is when passing a car .
Furthermore , motorists must use the same discretion when passing cyclists , say on a hill or around a curve , as they would when passing another automobile.It is legal to overtake a slow moving vehicle on the left , and the slow moving vehicle MUST stay right.http : //law.justia.com/california/codes/veh/21750-21759.html [ justia.com ] cyclists have the right to ride 2x2 in the road , but must let traffic pass when appropriateI call bull .
Show me .
Motorcycles ca n't ride side by side , why would bicycles be any different ? cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs , and they CAN travel through red lights .
They have to make a concerted effort , however , to show responsibility and safetyBullshit.in general , a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway .
The problem is not with MOST drivers or cyclists- both parties share ignorance when it comes to cyclists .
The problem is with a few , but I would say that most drivers are not aware of , or refuse to acknowledge , the laws regarding cyclists.This contradicts your assertion about stop signs and red lights.Also , in my experience , its the cyclists that do n't know the laws ( see running of stop signs / red lights , but pretty much any rule you have they break ) .Statistics say both are equally at fault.So take the high road ; when its 94 \ % the fault of the driver for the accident with the bike , I 'll bite .
But as it stands now , its 47 \ % driver fault , 47 \ % cyclists fault .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-cyclists can ride as 'close as practicable from the side of the road', meaning they do NOT have to ride within the boundary of the shoulder, especially if there is debris on the far side.There are also laws usually against impeding the normal flow of traffic.
So yes, the cyclist DOES have to move out of the way.-motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists, including passing laws.
It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass' line on their side, just as it is when passing a car.
Furthermore, motorists must use the same discretion when passing cyclists, say on a hill or around a curve, as they would when passing another automobile.It is legal to overtake a slow moving vehicle on the left, and the slow moving vehicle MUST stay right.http://law.justia.com/california/codes/veh/21750-21759.html [justia.com]cyclists have the right to ride 2x2 in the road, but must let traffic pass when appropriateI call bull.
Show me.
Motorcycles can't ride side by side, why would bicycles be any different?cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs, and they CAN travel through red lights.
They have to make a concerted effort, however, to show responsibility and safetyBullshit.in general, a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway.
The problem is not with MOST drivers or cyclists- both parties share ignorance when it comes to cyclists.
The problem is with a few, but I would say that most drivers are not aware of, or refuse to acknowledge, the laws regarding cyclists.This contradicts your assertion about stop signs and red lights.Also, in my experience, its the cyclists that don't know the laws (see running of stop signs / red lights, but pretty much any rule you have they break).Statistics say both are equally at fault.So take the high road; when its 94\% the fault of the driver for the accident with the bike, I'll bite.
But as it stands now, its 47\% driver fault, 47\% cyclists fault.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555317</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246530120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Did you fucker ever realize that roads were \_not\_ made for cars only? Where did you get that false impression from? Unless these roads are clearly marked as cars-only they are free to use for everybody. Especially inside cities.</p><p>And cut that "living on borrowed time" crap. Ever thought about that driving your car makes \_you\_ live on everybodyies ecosystem, climate, health and time? What do you thing turns our big cities into traffic jam nightmares? Or causes these fuckloads of smog? Or this stupid war for oil? Pedestrians? Bikes? No, don't think so.</p><p>In your own words: Move the fuck over.</p><p>Yt,</p><p>Gunnar</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you fucker ever realize that roads were \ _not \ _ made for cars only ?
Where did you get that false impression from ?
Unless these roads are clearly marked as cars-only they are free to use for everybody .
Especially inside cities.And cut that " living on borrowed time " crap .
Ever thought about that driving your car makes \ _you \ _ live on everybodyies ecosystem , climate , health and time ?
What do you thing turns our big cities into traffic jam nightmares ?
Or causes these fuckloads of smog ?
Or this stupid war for oil ?
Pedestrians ? Bikes ?
No , do n't think so.In your own words : Move the fuck over.Yt,Gunnar</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you fucker ever realize that roads were \_not\_ made for cars only?
Where did you get that false impression from?
Unless these roads are clearly marked as cars-only they are free to use for everybody.
Especially inside cities.And cut that "living on borrowed time" crap.
Ever thought about that driving your car makes \_you\_ live on everybodyies ecosystem, climate, health and time?
What do you thing turns our big cities into traffic jam nightmares?
Or causes these fuckloads of smog?
Or this stupid war for oil?
Pedestrians? Bikes?
No, don't think so.In your own words: Move the fuck over.Yt,Gunnar</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555411</id>
	<title>Reflective vest and lights are not suffisient ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246531440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Cheap, efficient</p><p>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&amp;um=1&amp;q=reflective+vest&amp;sa=N&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=21<br>http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&amp;um=1&amp;sa=1&amp;q=led+bicycle+lights&amp;btnG=Search+images&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cheap , efficienthttp : //images.google.com/images ? hl = en&amp;um = 1&amp;q = reflective + vest&amp;sa = N&amp;start = 0&amp;ndsp = 21http : //images.google.com/images ? hl = en&amp;um = 1&amp;sa = 1&amp;q = led + bicycle + lights&amp;btnG = Search + images&amp;aq = f&amp;oq =</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cheap, efficienthttp://images.google.com/images?hl=en&amp;um=1&amp;q=reflective+vest&amp;sa=N&amp;start=0&amp;ndsp=21http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&amp;um=1&amp;sa=1&amp;q=led+bicycle+lights&amp;btnG=Search+images&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555901</id>
	<title>How about projecting an object on the left?</title>
	<author>smchris</author>
	<datestamp>1246538520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Some guy did a study many years ago showing that if a runner carries a glass water bottle in the hand facing the lane, cars are significantly more likely to give him leeway.  Which just goes to show that a significant percentage of drivers don't give a rat's ass about creaming your squishy body but don't want their paint scratched by a hard object.  Physically innumerate and morally bankrupt but that's the results, so project something that will cause a driver to give the bicyclist leeway, not something that gives the driver a heads up that a target is "there".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some guy did a study many years ago showing that if a runner carries a glass water bottle in the hand facing the lane , cars are significantly more likely to give him leeway .
Which just goes to show that a significant percentage of drivers do n't give a rat 's ass about creaming your squishy body but do n't want their paint scratched by a hard object .
Physically innumerate and morally bankrupt but that 's the results , so project something that will cause a driver to give the bicyclist leeway , not something that gives the driver a heads up that a target is " there " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some guy did a study many years ago showing that if a runner carries a glass water bottle in the hand facing the lane, cars are significantly more likely to give him leeway.
Which just goes to show that a significant percentage of drivers don't give a rat's ass about creaming your squishy body but don't want their paint scratched by a hard object.
Physically innumerate and morally bankrupt but that's the results, so project something that will cause a driver to give the bicyclist leeway, not something that gives the driver a heads up that a target is "there".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28636059</id>
	<title>Re:In NYC, we have less tolerance...for cars that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247152440000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Funny to hear how much ire there is for bicyclists in other parts of the country.</p><p>As a Manhattan native I can confidently say that the most annoying thing on the road is the douchebags who feel like its a good idea to bring their massive cars in from Jersey, Westchester and Long Island -- and clog up traffic.</p><p>From a NY perspective, the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all.  They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world's most crowded places.  Keep that sh*t parked outside the city and take public transportation.</p><p>I'm all for a $50 toll for commuters.  Clogging up the city should be incredibly expensive for non-commercial traffic.</p><p>Cities should be primarily mass transit, taxis, pedestrians and bicycles.  Douchebags feeling like they have a right to bring their suburban into the city is a much bigger problem than some dude on a bike.</p></div><p>Win. That is all.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Funny to hear how much ire there is for bicyclists in other parts of the country.As a Manhattan native I can confidently say that the most annoying thing on the road is the douchebags who feel like its a good idea to bring their massive cars in from Jersey , Westchester and Long Island -- and clog up traffic.From a NY perspective , the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all .
They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world 's most crowded places .
Keep that sh * t parked outside the city and take public transportation.I 'm all for a $ 50 toll for commuters .
Clogging up the city should be incredibly expensive for non-commercial traffic.Cities should be primarily mass transit , taxis , pedestrians and bicycles .
Douchebags feeling like they have a right to bring their suburban into the city is a much bigger problem than some dude on a bike.Win .
That is all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny to hear how much ire there is for bicyclists in other parts of the country.As a Manhattan native I can confidently say that the most annoying thing on the road is the douchebags who feel like its a good idea to bring their massive cars in from Jersey, Westchester and Long Island -- and clog up traffic.From a NY perspective, the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all.
They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world's most crowded places.
Keep that sh*t parked outside the city and take public transportation.I'm all for a $50 toll for commuters.
Clogging up the city should be incredibly expensive for non-commercial traffic.Cities should be primarily mass transit, taxis, pedestrians and bicycles.
Douchebags feeling like they have a right to bring their suburban into the city is a much bigger problem than some dude on a bike.Win.
That is all.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555425</id>
	<title>Re:A 2 euro solution</title>
	<author>zmollusc</author>
	<datestamp>1246531560000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>This sounds like it could be even more useful with further development. You could make the reflective area into an actual mirror and mount it on the handlebars. You will never get cyclists  to turn their heads to look behind them or give signals before they change lanes or before they suddenly veer into the centre of the road because there is a parked car 600 yards ahead, but with proper training they might develop enough responsibility to use a mirror.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like it could be even more useful with further development .
You could make the reflective area into an actual mirror and mount it on the handlebars .
You will never get cyclists to turn their heads to look behind them or give signals before they change lanes or before they suddenly veer into the centre of the road because there is a parked car 600 yards ahead , but with proper training they might develop enough responsibility to use a mirror .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like it could be even more useful with further development.
You could make the reflective area into an actual mirror and mount it on the handlebars.
You will never get cyclists  to turn their heads to look behind them or give signals before they change lanes or before they suddenly veer into the centre of the road because there is a parked car 600 yards ahead, but with proper training they might develop enough responsibility to use a mirror.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28564181</id>
	<title>Lasers are regulated by the FDA...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246528500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To bring this product to market they will have to prove to the FDA that this device is safe for the public (no more than 5mW is the general rule, MPE is very strict). This is using a DPSS lasers which takes 808nm infrared light through a crystal to get 1064nm light then through another doubling crystal to get 532nm light. If no proper IR filtering is in place these can blind people! I am not saying it isn't a bad idea but the certification process can take a long time (laser mice even take a long time to get certified). The other thing is they have to consider the liability from these devices, it may pass the CDRH process but may never make it out of the legal department...</p><p>-Anony Mouse</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To bring this product to market they will have to prove to the FDA that this device is safe for the public ( no more than 5mW is the general rule , MPE is very strict ) .
This is using a DPSS lasers which takes 808nm infrared light through a crystal to get 1064nm light then through another doubling crystal to get 532nm light .
If no proper IR filtering is in place these can blind people !
I am not saying it is n't a bad idea but the certification process can take a long time ( laser mice even take a long time to get certified ) .
The other thing is they have to consider the liability from these devices , it may pass the CDRH process but may never make it out of the legal department...-Anony Mouse</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To bring this product to market they will have to prove to the FDA that this device is safe for the public (no more than 5mW is the general rule, MPE is very strict).
This is using a DPSS lasers which takes 808nm infrared light through a crystal to get 1064nm light then through another doubling crystal to get 532nm light.
If no proper IR filtering is in place these can blind people!
I am not saying it isn't a bad idea but the certification process can take a long time (laser mice even take a long time to get certified).
The other thing is they have to consider the liability from these devices, it may pass the CDRH process but may never make it out of the legal department...-Anony Mouse</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556809</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Peter La Casse</author>
	<datestamp>1246545300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>So let me get this right.... you think it is the cyclists fault if a car driver passes them on a blind corner and then has an accident?</p></div></blockquote><p>It depends how loosely you define "fault".  In the situation described, both the cyclist and the driver share some of the blame (the cyclist for unnecessarily blocking traffic and the driver for passing foolishly).  If you verbally taunt somebody and he punches you in the nose, it's his "fault" but you both contributed to that event happening.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So let me get this right.... you think it is the cyclists fault if a car driver passes them on a blind corner and then has an accident ? It depends how loosely you define " fault " .
In the situation described , both the cyclist and the driver share some of the blame ( the cyclist for unnecessarily blocking traffic and the driver for passing foolishly ) .
If you verbally taunt somebody and he punches you in the nose , it 's his " fault " but you both contributed to that event happening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So let me get this right.... you think it is the cyclists fault if a car driver passes them on a blind corner and then has an accident?It depends how loosely you define "fault".
In the situation described, both the cyclist and the driver share some of the blame (the cyclist for unnecessarily blocking traffic and the driver for passing foolishly).
If you verbally taunt somebody and he punches you in the nose, it's his "fault" but you both contributed to that event happening.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554651</id>
	<title>regenerative braking</title>
	<author>H310iSe</author>
	<datestamp>1246564800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Want to hijack this trollfest and see if I can get some useful information - the thing city bikes REALLY need is regenerative breaking - compared to cars, bikes suck at acceleration, and trying to conserve precious momentum makes breaking traffic laws way too tempting - some regenerative breaking would solve both problems and more.</p><p><a href="http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Regenerative\_20Brake\_20Bike" title="halfbakery.com">http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Regenerative\_20Brake\_20Bike</a> [halfbakery.com] here are some <a href="http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-206514.html" title="physicsforums.com">http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-206514.html</a> [physicsforums.com]links but it seems while everyone agrees 'it's tricky but can be done' no one has actually done it.</p><p>Not sure why that is, any additional info/ideas would be welcome.  I think it would really transform the urban environment if it could be worked out.  And I have fantasies of keeping peddling at stoplights then shooting off @ proper street speeds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Want to hijack this trollfest and see if I can get some useful information - the thing city bikes REALLY need is regenerative breaking - compared to cars , bikes suck at acceleration , and trying to conserve precious momentum makes breaking traffic laws way too tempting - some regenerative breaking would solve both problems and more.http : //www.halfbakery.com/idea/Regenerative \ _20Brake \ _20Bike [ halfbakery.com ] here are some http : //www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-206514.html [ physicsforums.com ] links but it seems while everyone agrees 'it 's tricky but can be done ' no one has actually done it.Not sure why that is , any additional info/ideas would be welcome .
I think it would really transform the urban environment if it could be worked out .
And I have fantasies of keeping peddling at stoplights then shooting off @ proper street speeds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Want to hijack this trollfest and see if I can get some useful information - the thing city bikes REALLY need is regenerative breaking - compared to cars, bikes suck at acceleration, and trying to conserve precious momentum makes breaking traffic laws way too tempting - some regenerative breaking would solve both problems and more.http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Regenerative\_20Brake\_20Bike [halfbakery.com] here are some http://www.physicsforums.com/archive/index.php/t-206514.html [physicsforums.com]links but it seems while everyone agrees 'it's tricky but can be done' no one has actually done it.Not sure why that is, any additional info/ideas would be welcome.
I think it would really transform the urban environment if it could be worked out.
And I have fantasies of keeping peddling at stoplights then shooting off @ proper street speeds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28558375</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Haxzaw</author>
	<datestamp>1246552680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure, fine, cyclists have all the legal rights as a motorist.  How about they also get licensed and pay a registration fee?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , fine , cyclists have all the legal rights as a motorist .
How about they also get licensed and pay a registration fee ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, fine, cyclists have all the legal rights as a motorist.
How about they also get licensed and pay a registration fee?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28559501</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246556880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Nobody bikes on the highway in America.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody bikes on the highway in America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody bikes on the highway in America.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554105</id>
	<title>Nice thought, bad planning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246472700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Lasers? We're worried enough about people shining them at airplanes on purpose. Now we'd have to worry about one straying off the road and hitting a driver in the eye who would then likely cause an accident. Good intentions, possibly rethink the implimentation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lasers ?
We 're worried enough about people shining them at airplanes on purpose .
Now we 'd have to worry about one straying off the road and hitting a driver in the eye who would then likely cause an accident .
Good intentions , possibly rethink the implimentation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lasers?
We're worried enough about people shining them at airplanes on purpose.
Now we'd have to worry about one straying off the road and hitting a driver in the eye who would then likely cause an accident.
Good intentions, possibly rethink the implimentation.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555021</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>Wolfjjj</author>
	<datestamp>1246525920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>--Until you start paying rego, compulsary third party insurance and obeying the road rules you don't have --any moral right to make use of the road.
<br> <br>
I think you'll find the majority of cyclists have cars, pay rego, third park insurance just like everyone else you muppet, how do you think we do our shopping, go on road trips. The thing is we choose to ride either as a hobby or as an alternative to commuting in a car thus freeing up the road<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... just think more cycles = less cars on the road that you need to deal with.
<br> <br>
----I don't care if you're pissed off that you have to slow down to 35k in a 50k zone as long as you don't ----crash into me.<br>
--and that's the attitude that causes such ire amongst drivers. <br>
&amp; <br>
--Cars always win, show some respect and don't be the jerk holding up 40 cars simply because you can't --be arsed to pull over to the side and let people pass.<br>
<br> <br>
I think if you were in their place and your life was on the line you'd probably feel the same way, generally I'll sit a couple of feet from the curb (so their is enough room to go either way in an emergency) but if it's dangerous I'll happily take more room if it's required.
<br> <br>
Do you have the same attitude toward trucks/18 wheelers/lorries whatever you call them in your locale? they are generally slow, take up a lot of room<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... would you consider running them off the road? Of course not as you'd come off second best.
<br> <br>
What I think it comes down to is that there are douches on both sides and having an attitude like that well I'd assume makes you one of them<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the roads are there for everyone, share and treat other road users how'd you'd like to be treated yourself. Next time you almost cleanup a cyclist think about how you'd be  feeling if a truck/18 wheeler/lorry did the same to you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>--Until you start paying rego , compulsary third party insurance and obeying the road rules you do n't have --any moral right to make use of the road .
I think you 'll find the majority of cyclists have cars , pay rego , third park insurance just like everyone else you muppet , how do you think we do our shopping , go on road trips .
The thing is we choose to ride either as a hobby or as an alternative to commuting in a car thus freeing up the road ... just think more cycles = less cars on the road that you need to deal with .
----I do n't care if you 're pissed off that you have to slow down to 35k in a 50k zone as long as you do n't ----crash into me .
--and that 's the attitude that causes such ire amongst drivers .
&amp; --Cars always win , show some respect and do n't be the jerk holding up 40 cars simply because you ca n't --be arsed to pull over to the side and let people pass .
I think if you were in their place and your life was on the line you 'd probably feel the same way , generally I 'll sit a couple of feet from the curb ( so their is enough room to go either way in an emergency ) but if it 's dangerous I 'll happily take more room if it 's required .
Do you have the same attitude toward trucks/18 wheelers/lorries whatever you call them in your locale ?
they are generally slow , take up a lot of room ... would you consider running them off the road ?
Of course not as you 'd come off second best .
What I think it comes down to is that there are douches on both sides and having an attitude like that well I 'd assume makes you one of them ... the roads are there for everyone , share and treat other road users how 'd you 'd like to be treated yourself .
Next time you almost cleanup a cyclist think about how you 'd be feeling if a truck/18 wheeler/lorry did the same to you .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>--Until you start paying rego, compulsary third party insurance and obeying the road rules you don't have --any moral right to make use of the road.
I think you'll find the majority of cyclists have cars, pay rego, third park insurance just like everyone else you muppet, how do you think we do our shopping, go on road trips.
The thing is we choose to ride either as a hobby or as an alternative to commuting in a car thus freeing up the road ... just think more cycles = less cars on the road that you need to deal with.
----I don't care if you're pissed off that you have to slow down to 35k in a 50k zone as long as you don't ----crash into me.
--and that's the attitude that causes such ire amongst drivers.
&amp; 
--Cars always win, show some respect and don't be the jerk holding up 40 cars simply because you can't --be arsed to pull over to the side and let people pass.
I think if you were in their place and your life was on the line you'd probably feel the same way, generally I'll sit a couple of feet from the curb (so their is enough room to go either way in an emergency) but if it's dangerous I'll happily take more room if it's required.
Do you have the same attitude toward trucks/18 wheelers/lorries whatever you call them in your locale?
they are generally slow, take up a lot of room ... would you consider running them off the road?
Of course not as you'd come off second best.
What I think it comes down to is that there are douches on both sides and having an attitude like that well I'd assume makes you one of them ... the roads are there for everyone, share and treat other road users how'd you'd like to be treated yourself.
Next time you almost cleanup a cyclist think about how you'd be  feeling if a truck/18 wheeler/lorry did the same to you ...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556715</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246544640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>My problem with these "bikers" is the fact that they think they own the road.  First off they constantly travel WITH the flow of traffic which is stupid.  They need to travel AGAINST the flow so that everyone sees everyone.  Secondly I'm sick of bikers who take up the whole road because they can't be bothered to ride on sidewalk/grass, even when there is no pedestrians.   Most of the bikers also travel in their own little world paying absolutly no attention whatsoever to the vehicals behind them that are trying to get around.  I think there needs to be a law that states cyclists must move out of the way of vehicles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My problem with these " bikers " is the fact that they think they own the road .
First off they constantly travel WITH the flow of traffic which is stupid .
They need to travel AGAINST the flow so that everyone sees everyone .
Secondly I 'm sick of bikers who take up the whole road because they ca n't be bothered to ride on sidewalk/grass , even when there is no pedestrians .
Most of the bikers also travel in their own little world paying absolutly no attention whatsoever to the vehicals behind them that are trying to get around .
I think there needs to be a law that states cyclists must move out of the way of vehicles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My problem with these "bikers" is the fact that they think they own the road.
First off they constantly travel WITH the flow of traffic which is stupid.
They need to travel AGAINST the flow so that everyone sees everyone.
Secondly I'm sick of bikers who take up the whole road because they can't be bothered to ride on sidewalk/grass, even when there is no pedestrians.
Most of the bikers also travel in their own little world paying absolutly no attention whatsoever to the vehicals behind them that are trying to get around.
I think there needs to be a law that states cyclists must move out of the way of vehicles.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28561593</id>
	<title>Re:How about projecting an object on the left?</title>
	<author>Celeste R</author>
	<datestamp>1246563060000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The bike projector would give a similar reaction to a car driver.</p><p>Even a wobbly line would tell a driver "oh, i need to give him a little space if possible".  Lines and space-giving are very much in a driver's mentality.  Scoring points (+1 for that cyclist!) isn't reality.</p><p>I agree that most drivers tend not to care, and that's why we need things that work, even if they don't work perfectly.  I seriously doubt that this would give a driver a "hunter mentality".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The bike projector would give a similar reaction to a car driver.Even a wobbly line would tell a driver " oh , i need to give him a little space if possible " .
Lines and space-giving are very much in a driver 's mentality .
Scoring points ( + 1 for that cyclist !
) is n't reality.I agree that most drivers tend not to care , and that 's why we need things that work , even if they do n't work perfectly .
I seriously doubt that this would give a driver a " hunter mentality " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bike projector would give a similar reaction to a car driver.Even a wobbly line would tell a driver "oh, i need to give him a little space if possible".
Lines and space-giving are very much in a driver's mentality.
Scoring points (+1 for that cyclist!
) isn't reality.I agree that most drivers tend not to care, and that's why we need things that work, even if they don't work perfectly.
I seriously doubt that this would give a driver a "hunter mentality".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555073</id>
	<title>Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246526700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... the cyclist in the picture doesn't actually have any lighting on his bike apart from the lane-thingy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p><p>Anyway, as a dutch person who has biked in the states (Knoxville, TN area) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads. I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... worthless and dangerous.</p><p>To paint the picture, in the Netherlands you could cycle the whole country without having to share a lane with a car once<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... we have a pretty good infrastructure with bike lanes and even seperate bike paths with run parallel to the roads.</p><p>My point being, this 'solution' sucks, is overengineered and impratical. If you want to really encourage people riding bikes instead of taking the car, build the infrastructure for it.</p><p>It can be done, even in formerly very car-centric cities. Take, for example, Paris, where the last years biking has taken off hugely because of a city push for more biking, including cheap rental bikes and massive new bike lane building.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... the cyclist in the picture does n't actually have any lighting on his bike apart from the lane-thingy : DAnyway , as a dutch person who has biked in the states ( Knoxville , TN area ) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads .
I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville , a minor 10 mile ride , and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous.To paint the picture , in the Netherlands you could cycle the whole country without having to share a lane with a car once ... we have a pretty good infrastructure with bike lanes and even seperate bike paths with run parallel to the roads.My point being , this 'solution ' sucks , is overengineered and impratical .
If you want to really encourage people riding bikes instead of taking the car , build the infrastructure for it.It can be done , even in formerly very car-centric cities .
Take , for example , Paris , where the last years biking has taken off hugely because of a city push for more biking , including cheap rental bikes and massive new bike lane building .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the cyclist in the picture doesn't actually have any lighting on his bike apart from the lane-thingy :DAnyway, as a dutch person who has biked in the states (Knoxville, TN area) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads.
I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous.To paint the picture, in the Netherlands you could cycle the whole country without having to share a lane with a car once ... we have a pretty good infrastructure with bike lanes and even seperate bike paths with run parallel to the roads.My point being, this 'solution' sucks, is overengineered and impratical.
If you want to really encourage people riding bikes instead of taking the car, build the infrastructure for it.It can be done, even in formerly very car-centric cities.
Take, for example, Paris, where the last years biking has taken off hugely because of a city push for more biking, including cheap rental bikes and massive new bike lane building.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556187</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Chris Mattern</author>
	<datestamp>1246541160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Anyway, as a dutch person who has biked in the states (Knoxville, TN area) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads. I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... worthless and dangerous.</p></div></blockquote><p>And illegal.  Bikes are not allowed on to interstate highways.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Anyway , as a dutch person who has biked in the states ( Knoxville , TN area ) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads .
I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville , a minor 10 mile ride , and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous.And illegal .
Bikes are not allowed on to interstate highways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyway, as a dutch person who has biked in the states (Knoxville, TN area) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads.
I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous.And illegal.
Bikes are not allowed on to interstate highways.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555669</id>
	<title>How does this work?</title>
	<author>MMC Monster</author>
	<datestamp>1246535220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the grand<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. tradition, I didn't RTFA.</p><p>Does this device shine a light (laser ?) in front of and behind the bicycle?  If so, how does it compensate for the wobble and slight variations that a bicycle may make that is not exactly parallel to the curb?</p><p>Or is this a more sophisticated solution that can determine where exactly the side of the road is, and where obstructions are up ahead, heralding cards that can drive themselves?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the grand / .
tradition , I did n't RTFA.Does this device shine a light ( laser ?
) in front of and behind the bicycle ?
If so , how does it compensate for the wobble and slight variations that a bicycle may make that is not exactly parallel to the curb ? Or is this a more sophisticated solution that can determine where exactly the side of the road is , and where obstructions are up ahead , heralding cards that can drive themselves ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the grand /.
tradition, I didn't RTFA.Does this device shine a light (laser ?
) in front of and behind the bicycle?
If so, how does it compensate for the wobble and slight variations that a bicycle may make that is not exactly parallel to the curb?Or is this a more sophisticated solution that can determine where exactly the side of the road is, and where obstructions are up ahead, heralding cards that can drive themselves?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555573</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246533900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>just remember ultimately you are responsible for your own safety. im not sure where this false concept that everyone is responsible for you came from. The Cemeteries are full of right people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>just remember ultimately you are responsible for your own safety .
im not sure where this false concept that everyone is responsible for you came from .
The Cemeteries are full of right people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just remember ultimately you are responsible for your own safety.
im not sure where this false concept that everyone is responsible for you came from.
The Cemeteries are full of right people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28560205</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246558800000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So let me get this right.... you think it is the cyclists fault if a car driver passes them on a blind corner and then has an accident?</p></div><p>Actually, what he said was:</p><p><div class="quote"><p> riding 4 feet out into the lane, often 2 abreast</p></div><p>Which is illegal, just like in a car or on a motorcycle it's single file, people.<br>He then goes on to give his point:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The road is big enough if both parties just share. The real problem here is self-righteous assholes, not cyclists or motorists.</p></div><p>But I can see you didn't bother to read that far into the post.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Would you blame a tractor or other slow moving vehicle if you had a crash while trying to overtake them on a blind corner??</p></div><p>Most states have laws that require slow moving vehicles to carry signs, just like wide loads are required to carry signs. In addition, most states have laws that require slow moving vehicles to pull over and yield the road if there isn't room to pass.</p><p>So YES, I would blame them, since they are the ones creating the road hazard it IS their fault.</p><p>I both drive &amp; ride a bike. In my experience, the people in cars are not usually jerks (some are), but they are often not paying attention or simply incompetent, which is often worse.<br>I see many bikers that are quite arrogant about their road use, however, and seem to think they have a right to intentionally create dangerous situations. I often see other bikers passing cars on the right, using crosswalks inside city limits, using the gutter to get to the front of the line at a stop light, not using any turn or hand signals at all, riding double, or even triple file, and hogging the car lane even when there are wide shoulders or clearly marked bike lanes.<br>In short, on a daily average, I'd say that almost all bikers routinely violate multiple traffic/safety laws, to the point where if they were on a motorcycle it would look like a scene out of Grand Theft Auto .</p></div>
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<tokenext>So let me get this right.... you think it is the cyclists fault if a car driver passes them on a blind corner and then has an accident ? Actually , what he said was : riding 4 feet out into the lane , often 2 abreastWhich is illegal , just like in a car or on a motorcycle it 's single file , people.He then goes on to give his point : The road is big enough if both parties just share .
The real problem here is self-righteous assholes , not cyclists or motorists.But I can see you did n't bother to read that far into the post.Would you blame a tractor or other slow moving vehicle if you had a crash while trying to overtake them on a blind corner ?
? Most states have laws that require slow moving vehicles to carry signs , just like wide loads are required to carry signs .
In addition , most states have laws that require slow moving vehicles to pull over and yield the road if there is n't room to pass.So YES , I would blame them , since they are the ones creating the road hazard it IS their fault.I both drive &amp; ride a bike .
In my experience , the people in cars are not usually jerks ( some are ) , but they are often not paying attention or simply incompetent , which is often worse.I see many bikers that are quite arrogant about their road use , however , and seem to think they have a right to intentionally create dangerous situations .
I often see other bikers passing cars on the right , using crosswalks inside city limits , using the gutter to get to the front of the line at a stop light , not using any turn or hand signals at all , riding double , or even triple file , and hogging the car lane even when there are wide shoulders or clearly marked bike lanes.In short , on a daily average , I 'd say that almost all bikers routinely violate multiple traffic/safety laws , to the point where if they were on a motorcycle it would look like a scene out of Grand Theft Auto .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So let me get this right.... you think it is the cyclists fault if a car driver passes them on a blind corner and then has an accident?Actually, what he said was: riding 4 feet out into the lane, often 2 abreastWhich is illegal, just like in a car or on a motorcycle it's single file, people.He then goes on to give his point:The road is big enough if both parties just share.
The real problem here is self-righteous assholes, not cyclists or motorists.But I can see you didn't bother to read that far into the post.Would you blame a tractor or other slow moving vehicle if you had a crash while trying to overtake them on a blind corner?
?Most states have laws that require slow moving vehicles to carry signs, just like wide loads are required to carry signs.
In addition, most states have laws that require slow moving vehicles to pull over and yield the road if there isn't room to pass.So YES, I would blame them, since they are the ones creating the road hazard it IS their fault.I both drive &amp; ride a bike.
In my experience, the people in cars are not usually jerks (some are), but they are often not paying attention or simply incompetent, which is often worse.I see many bikers that are quite arrogant about their road use, however, and seem to think they have a right to intentionally create dangerous situations.
I often see other bikers passing cars on the right, using crosswalks inside city limits, using the gutter to get to the front of the line at a stop light, not using any turn or hand signals at all, riding double, or even triple file, and hogging the car lane even when there are wide shoulders or clearly marked bike lanes.In short, on a daily average, I'd say that almost all bikers routinely violate multiple traffic/safety laws, to the point where if they were on a motorcycle it would look like a scene out of Grand Theft Auto .
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555713</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246536000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Except in the Netherlands where there is a bicycle lane you HAVE to use it, even if it rough paving with lots of bumps and the road is smooth smooth BMW friendly tarmac. After I while I became convinced the cycle paths were to keep the pesky cyclists off the nice tarmac roads.</p><p>I thought those nice Target devices on the front or Mercedes cars were so they could line themselves up to polish off errant cyclists, now they can simply follow the laser lines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except in the Netherlands where there is a bicycle lane you HAVE to use it , even if it rough paving with lots of bumps and the road is smooth smooth BMW friendly tarmac .
After I while I became convinced the cycle paths were to keep the pesky cyclists off the nice tarmac roads.I thought those nice Target devices on the front or Mercedes cars were so they could line themselves up to polish off errant cyclists , now they can simply follow the laser lines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except in the Netherlands where there is a bicycle lane you HAVE to use it, even if it rough paving with lots of bumps and the road is smooth smooth BMW friendly tarmac.
After I while I became convinced the cycle paths were to keep the pesky cyclists off the nice tarmac roads.I thought those nice Target devices on the front or Mercedes cars were so they could line themselves up to polish off errant cyclists, now they can simply follow the laser lines.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28558515</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>SaDan</author>
	<datestamp>1246553220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, this isn't insightful in the least.  You don't HAVE to take an interstate anywhere, there are always side roads or frontage roads for vehicles prohibited from traveling on interstate highways.</p><p>You can bike, walk, run across the US without touching an interstate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , this is n't insightful in the least .
You do n't HAVE to take an interstate anywhere , there are always side roads or frontage roads for vehicles prohibited from traveling on interstate highways.You can bike , walk , run across the US without touching an interstate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, this isn't insightful in the least.
You don't HAVE to take an interstate anywhere, there are always side roads or frontage roads for vehicles prohibited from traveling on interstate highways.You can bike, walk, run across the US without touching an interstate.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554173</id>
	<title>Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246473420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cyclists are already huge douches (atleast here in the twin cities). They ride 8 feet out from the curb, blocking the lane to motorists, and yet bitch when periodically one of them becomes a speed bump. We have dedicated lanes for bicyclists downtown -- and everywhere else there are sidewalks. Yes, it's a little more work. Yes, you'll have to use your brakes and be more alert to pedestrians -- but a bike/pedestrian accident usually results in profanity. A bike/motor vehicle accident almost always ends in tears. Not only that, but it's not like they're helping their cause -- mounting strobe lights as a "safety feature"? Events like "Critical Mass" that clog streets and result in clashes with the police?</p><p>I'm sorry, but nobody's going to be fooled by your latest bike accessory -- they're still going to side-swipe you in the middle of the night because you're in the middle of the lane and it's hard to have compassion for someone doing 15 in a 45, especially when nobody's around to protest reducing them to a twisted mass of aluminum and hamburger. If you have a problem with this, ride on the shoulder or near the curb, which is what every safety instructor has told you, along with wearing a helmet and reflective clothing. But you don't do either because you want to feel liberated when a twig jams your front wheel and you face plant, or get run over by a car because wearing all black at night makes you feel like a bad-ass. Don't laugh -- it's more common than you think. Every motorist in the Twin Cities that has more than about 20,000 miles under their belt has witnessed one of these kamikazi nut jobs.</p><p>Americans will tolerate just about anything so long as it doesn't obstruct the flow of traffic. Many bicyclists are the anti-thesis of this statement. You may now mod me down, because it's easier to write a pleasant fiction that sounds socially sophisticated and intellectual than to write down a blunt truth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cyclists are already huge douches ( atleast here in the twin cities ) .
They ride 8 feet out from the curb , blocking the lane to motorists , and yet bitch when periodically one of them becomes a speed bump .
We have dedicated lanes for bicyclists downtown -- and everywhere else there are sidewalks .
Yes , it 's a little more work .
Yes , you 'll have to use your brakes and be more alert to pedestrians -- but a bike/pedestrian accident usually results in profanity .
A bike/motor vehicle accident almost always ends in tears .
Not only that , but it 's not like they 're helping their cause -- mounting strobe lights as a " safety feature " ?
Events like " Critical Mass " that clog streets and result in clashes with the police ? I 'm sorry , but nobody 's going to be fooled by your latest bike accessory -- they 're still going to side-swipe you in the middle of the night because you 're in the middle of the lane and it 's hard to have compassion for someone doing 15 in a 45 , especially when nobody 's around to protest reducing them to a twisted mass of aluminum and hamburger .
If you have a problem with this , ride on the shoulder or near the curb , which is what every safety instructor has told you , along with wearing a helmet and reflective clothing .
But you do n't do either because you want to feel liberated when a twig jams your front wheel and you face plant , or get run over by a car because wearing all black at night makes you feel like a bad-ass .
Do n't laugh -- it 's more common than you think .
Every motorist in the Twin Cities that has more than about 20,000 miles under their belt has witnessed one of these kamikazi nut jobs.Americans will tolerate just about anything so long as it does n't obstruct the flow of traffic .
Many bicyclists are the anti-thesis of this statement .
You may now mod me down , because it 's easier to write a pleasant fiction that sounds socially sophisticated and intellectual than to write down a blunt truth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cyclists are already huge douches (atleast here in the twin cities).
They ride 8 feet out from the curb, blocking the lane to motorists, and yet bitch when periodically one of them becomes a speed bump.
We have dedicated lanes for bicyclists downtown -- and everywhere else there are sidewalks.
Yes, it's a little more work.
Yes, you'll have to use your brakes and be more alert to pedestrians -- but a bike/pedestrian accident usually results in profanity.
A bike/motor vehicle accident almost always ends in tears.
Not only that, but it's not like they're helping their cause -- mounting strobe lights as a "safety feature"?
Events like "Critical Mass" that clog streets and result in clashes with the police?I'm sorry, but nobody's going to be fooled by your latest bike accessory -- they're still going to side-swipe you in the middle of the night because you're in the middle of the lane and it's hard to have compassion for someone doing 15 in a 45, especially when nobody's around to protest reducing them to a twisted mass of aluminum and hamburger.
If you have a problem with this, ride on the shoulder or near the curb, which is what every safety instructor has told you, along with wearing a helmet and reflective clothing.
But you don't do either because you want to feel liberated when a twig jams your front wheel and you face plant, or get run over by a car because wearing all black at night makes you feel like a bad-ass.
Don't laugh -- it's more common than you think.
Every motorist in the Twin Cities that has more than about 20,000 miles under their belt has witnessed one of these kamikazi nut jobs.Americans will tolerate just about anything so long as it doesn't obstruct the flow of traffic.
Many bicyclists are the anti-thesis of this statement.
You may now mod me down, because it's easier to write a pleasant fiction that sounds socially sophisticated and intellectual than to write down a blunt truth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556561</id>
	<title>Re:In NYC, we have less tolerance...for cars that</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1246543740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Douchebags feeling like they have a right to bring their suburban into the city is a much bigger problem than some dude on a bike.</p></div><p>The douchebags paid road taxes when they bought fuel, and they do indeed have a right to bring their Suburban into the city, because that's how the law is written. Maybe you should go to the Chevron and drink some gasoline, then you'll have a right to be there too.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Douchebags feeling like they have a right to bring their suburban into the city is a much bigger problem than some dude on a bike.The douchebags paid road taxes when they bought fuel , and they do indeed have a right to bring their Suburban into the city , because that 's how the law is written .
Maybe you should go to the Chevron and drink some gasoline , then you 'll have a right to be there too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Douchebags feeling like they have a right to bring their suburban into the city is a much bigger problem than some dude on a bike.The douchebags paid road taxes when they bought fuel, and they do indeed have a right to bring their Suburban into the city, because that's how the law is written.
Maybe you should go to the Chevron and drink some gasoline, then you'll have a right to be there too.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554485</id>
	<title>Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246476720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live in a very rural area where there are no bike lanes and cyclists tend to ride on the road very often.

The bikers who live around here tend to ride on the white line, one abreast. Motorists give them room and slow down to pass, since there's little traffic usually and the roads are wide enough for a bike and a car to ride side by side. There's no problem with this setup. Until, of course, there's a bike race and hundreds of city dwellers descend on the town. The city cyclists get out there like there's something to prove, riding 4 feet out into the lane, often 2 abreast for no reason. The people here have no desire to hit a cyclist and aren't used to this asshole road-blocking behavior. I haven't seen any bikers get hurt, but I HAVE seen more than one car wrecked or off the road while trying to pass a cyclist who keeps drifting farther and farther left while oncoming traffic keeps whipping by around blind corners.

And the they try to brush it off like they had nothing to do with it. Oh, like a goddamned rolling roadblock ignoring your horn and shouts for 2 miles wouldn't cause you to make some less than ideal choices.
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The road is big enough if both parties just share. The real problem here is self-righteous assholes, not cyclists or motorists.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in a very rural area where there are no bike lanes and cyclists tend to ride on the road very often .
The bikers who live around here tend to ride on the white line , one abreast .
Motorists give them room and slow down to pass , since there 's little traffic usually and the roads are wide enough for a bike and a car to ride side by side .
There 's no problem with this setup .
Until , of course , there 's a bike race and hundreds of city dwellers descend on the town .
The city cyclists get out there like there 's something to prove , riding 4 feet out into the lane , often 2 abreast for no reason .
The people here have no desire to hit a cyclist and are n't used to this asshole road-blocking behavior .
I have n't seen any bikers get hurt , but I HAVE seen more than one car wrecked or off the road while trying to pass a cyclist who keeps drifting farther and farther left while oncoming traffic keeps whipping by around blind corners .
And the they try to brush it off like they had nothing to do with it .
Oh , like a goddamned rolling roadblock ignoring your horn and shouts for 2 miles would n't cause you to make some less than ideal choices .
The road is big enough if both parties just share .
The real problem here is self-righteous assholes , not cyclists or motorists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in a very rural area where there are no bike lanes and cyclists tend to ride on the road very often.
The bikers who live around here tend to ride on the white line, one abreast.
Motorists give them room and slow down to pass, since there's little traffic usually and the roads are wide enough for a bike and a car to ride side by side.
There's no problem with this setup.
Until, of course, there's a bike race and hundreds of city dwellers descend on the town.
The city cyclists get out there like there's something to prove, riding 4 feet out into the lane, often 2 abreast for no reason.
The people here have no desire to hit a cyclist and aren't used to this asshole road-blocking behavior.
I haven't seen any bikers get hurt, but I HAVE seen more than one car wrecked or off the road while trying to pass a cyclist who keeps drifting farther and farther left while oncoming traffic keeps whipping by around blind corners.
And the they try to brush it off like they had nothing to do with it.
Oh, like a goddamned rolling roadblock ignoring your horn and shouts for 2 miles wouldn't cause you to make some less than ideal choices.
The road is big enough if both parties just share.
The real problem here is self-righteous assholes, not cyclists or motorists.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554713</id>
	<title>So what make this news now?</title>
	<author>RevWaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1246565340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Instead of when it was first reported in January?
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<a href="http://slashdot.org/submission/928767/Virtual-Bike-Lane-proposed-by-designers?art\_pos=1" title="slashdot.org">http://slashdot.org/submission/928767/Virtual-Bike-Lane-proposed-by-designers?art\_pos=1</a> [slashdot.org]
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Sheesh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of when it was first reported in January ?
http : //slashdot.org/submission/928767/Virtual-Bike-Lane-proposed-by-designers ? art \ _pos = 1 [ slashdot.org ] Sheesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of when it was first reported in January?
http://slashdot.org/submission/928767/Virtual-Bike-Lane-proposed-by-designers?art\_pos=1 [slashdot.org]


Sheesh.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555007</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246525800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>make more bike paths.<br>Visit Davis CA sometime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>make more bike paths.Visit Davis CA sometime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>make more bike paths.Visit Davis CA sometime.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556519</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1246543440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First of all, let me just say that it's a good fucking thing that your wife is the lawyer and not you; perhaps SHE understands that federal law is just one layer, and there are others on top of it. If you tried to apply these laws in California, you would <em>fail</em>. My responses are California-centric:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>cyclists can ride as 'close as practicable from the side of the road', meaning they do NOT have to ride within the boundary of the shoulder, especially if there is debris on the far side.<br>-motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists, including passing laws. It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass' line on their side, just as it is when passing a car. Furthermore, motorists must use the same discretion when passing cyclists, say on a hill or around a curve, as they would when passing another automobile.</p></div><p>And yet, it is still illegal for a bicyclist to ride in a fashion such that they create a road hazard, and they must pull over to permit passing if five or more vehicles stack up behind them, regardless of the speed at which they travel. (Same for cars and bicycles)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>-cyclists have the right to ride 2x2 in the road, but must let traffic pass when appropriate</p></div><p>Just like motorcycles, except that you need to get out of my fucking way when it's possible.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>cyclists MAY take up an entire lane if they deem the situation to be potentially hazardous to them, eg when going over a hill. If the cyclists suspects that their well being will be endangered by a driver wanting to pass them from behind while going over a hill or around a curve, they can effectively stop this from happening by taking up the lane. This is a tricky predicament because the aggressive driver behind you may want to pass anyway</p></div><p>It's also a tricky predicament because if you're going too slow up the middle of the lane, you're creating an unsafe situation, which is illegal even when your action is otherwise permitted by law.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs, and they CAN travel through red lights.</p> </div><p>Not in California.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>at night, bikes MUST have both front and rear lights, clearly visible to the driver, as well as side reflectors, and preferably reflective clothing.</p></div><p>In California, you need a front light and rear reflector, that's it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>in general, a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway.</p></div><p>Which is why most of what you said is nonsense.</p></div>
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<tokenext>First of all , let me just say that it 's a good fucking thing that your wife is the lawyer and not you ; perhaps SHE understands that federal law is just one layer , and there are others on top of it .
If you tried to apply these laws in California , you would fail .
My responses are California-centric : cyclists can ride as 'close as practicable from the side of the road ' , meaning they do NOT have to ride within the boundary of the shoulder , especially if there is debris on the far side.-motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists , including passing laws .
It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass ' line on their side , just as it is when passing a car .
Furthermore , motorists must use the same discretion when passing cyclists , say on a hill or around a curve , as they would when passing another automobile.And yet , it is still illegal for a bicyclist to ride in a fashion such that they create a road hazard , and they must pull over to permit passing if five or more vehicles stack up behind them , regardless of the speed at which they travel .
( Same for cars and bicycles ) -cyclists have the right to ride 2x2 in the road , but must let traffic pass when appropriateJust like motorcycles , except that you need to get out of my fucking way when it 's possible.cyclists MAY take up an entire lane if they deem the situation to be potentially hazardous to them , eg when going over a hill .
If the cyclists suspects that their well being will be endangered by a driver wanting to pass them from behind while going over a hill or around a curve , they can effectively stop this from happening by taking up the lane .
This is a tricky predicament because the aggressive driver behind you may want to pass anywayIt 's also a tricky predicament because if you 're going too slow up the middle of the lane , you 're creating an unsafe situation , which is illegal even when your action is otherwise permitted by law.cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs , and they CAN travel through red lights .
Not in California.at night , bikes MUST have both front and rear lights , clearly visible to the driver , as well as side reflectors , and preferably reflective clothing.In California , you need a front light and rear reflector , that 's it.in general , a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway.Which is why most of what you said is nonsense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, let me just say that it's a good fucking thing that your wife is the lawyer and not you; perhaps SHE understands that federal law is just one layer, and there are others on top of it.
If you tried to apply these laws in California, you would fail.
My responses are California-centric:cyclists can ride as 'close as practicable from the side of the road', meaning they do NOT have to ride within the boundary of the shoulder, especially if there is debris on the far side.-motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists, including passing laws.
It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass' line on their side, just as it is when passing a car.
Furthermore, motorists must use the same discretion when passing cyclists, say on a hill or around a curve, as they would when passing another automobile.And yet, it is still illegal for a bicyclist to ride in a fashion such that they create a road hazard, and they must pull over to permit passing if five or more vehicles stack up behind them, regardless of the speed at which they travel.
(Same for cars and bicycles)-cyclists have the right to ride 2x2 in the road, but must let traffic pass when appropriateJust like motorcycles, except that you need to get out of my fucking way when it's possible.cyclists MAY take up an entire lane if they deem the situation to be potentially hazardous to them, eg when going over a hill.
If the cyclists suspects that their well being will be endangered by a driver wanting to pass them from behind while going over a hill or around a curve, they can effectively stop this from happening by taking up the lane.
This is a tricky predicament because the aggressive driver behind you may want to pass anywayIt's also a tricky predicament because if you're going too slow up the middle of the lane, you're creating an unsafe situation, which is illegal even when your action is otherwise permitted by law.cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs, and they CAN travel through red lights.
Not in California.at night, bikes MUST have both front and rear lights, clearly visible to the driver, as well as side reflectors, and preferably reflective clothing.In California, you need a front light and rear reflector, that's it.in general, a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway.Which is why most of what you said is nonsense.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555511</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>alexibu</author>
	<datestamp>1246532880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd gladly pay rego and insurance for my bike. It would be a lot less that that for a car.<br>
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And car drivers can pay for the oil wars, hospitals for the obese caused by inactivity, lung disease caused by emissions and most cancers which are reduced by active lifestyles.<br>
And the massive government subsidies funding roads in most countries, the benefits of which I don't think you can argue is equally shared by bike riders, who cause less wear and tear and require less road space.<br>
And pay for the realestate and mainetence costs for all the car lots, car parks, traffic lights etc whose costs are currently socialised for the benefit of car drivers.<br>
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I really don't think bike riders are free loading.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd gladly pay rego and insurance for my bike .
It would be a lot less that that for a car .
And car drivers can pay for the oil wars , hospitals for the obese caused by inactivity , lung disease caused by emissions and most cancers which are reduced by active lifestyles .
And the massive government subsidies funding roads in most countries , the benefits of which I do n't think you can argue is equally shared by bike riders , who cause less wear and tear and require less road space .
And pay for the realestate and mainetence costs for all the car lots , car parks , traffic lights etc whose costs are currently socialised for the benefit of car drivers .
I really do n't think bike riders are free loading .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd gladly pay rego and insurance for my bike.
It would be a lot less that that for a car.
And car drivers can pay for the oil wars, hospitals for the obese caused by inactivity, lung disease caused by emissions and most cancers which are reduced by active lifestyles.
And the massive government subsidies funding roads in most countries, the benefits of which I don't think you can argue is equally shared by bike riders, who cause less wear and tear and require less road space.
And pay for the realestate and mainetence costs for all the car lots, car parks, traffic lights etc whose costs are currently socialised for the benefit of car drivers.
I really don't think bike riders are free loading.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554597</id>
	<title>In NYC, we have less tolerance...for cars that is</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246477920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny to hear how much ire there is for bicyclists in other parts of the country.</p><p>As a Manhattan native I can confidently say that the most annoying thing on the road is the douchebags who feel like its a good idea to bring their massive cars in from Jersey, Westchester and Long Island -- and clog up traffic.</p><p>From a NY perspective, the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all.  They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world's most crowded places.  Keep that sh*t parked outside the city and take public transportation.</p><p>I'm all for a $50 toll for commuters.  Clogging up the city should be incredibly expensive for non-commercial traffic.</p><p>Cities should be primarily mass transit, taxis, pedestrians and bicycles.  Douchebags feeling like they have a right to bring their suburban into the city is a much bigger problem than some dude on a bike.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny to hear how much ire there is for bicyclists in other parts of the country.As a Manhattan native I can confidently say that the most annoying thing on the road is the douchebags who feel like its a good idea to bring their massive cars in from Jersey , Westchester and Long Island -- and clog up traffic.From a NY perspective , the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all .
They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world 's most crowded places .
Keep that sh * t parked outside the city and take public transportation.I 'm all for a $ 50 toll for commuters .
Clogging up the city should be incredibly expensive for non-commercial traffic.Cities should be primarily mass transit , taxis , pedestrians and bicycles .
Douchebags feeling like they have a right to bring their suburban into the city is a much bigger problem than some dude on a bike .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny to hear how much ire there is for bicyclists in other parts of the country.As a Manhattan native I can confidently say that the most annoying thing on the road is the douchebags who feel like its a good idea to bring their massive cars in from Jersey, Westchester and Long Island -- and clog up traffic.From a NY perspective, the traffic problems have nothing to do with cyclists at all.
They have more to do with a perceived right to bring a massive metal and glass behemoth into the world's most crowded places.
Keep that sh*t parked outside the city and take public transportation.I'm all for a $50 toll for commuters.
Clogging up the city should be incredibly expensive for non-commercial traffic.Cities should be primarily mass transit, taxis, pedestrians and bicycles.
Douchebags feeling like they have a right to bring their suburban into the city is a much bigger problem than some dude on a bike.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555019</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>profplump</author>
	<datestamp>1246525920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there was a slow-moving motorized vehicle -- something traveling at less than say 75\% of the median speed of other traffic on the road -- many drivers would expect that vehicle to pull over to allow them to pass, rather than forcing them to drive long distances behind me at low speeds. And in many cases the driver of the slow-moving vehicle will comply on a relatively frequent basis; I have rarely been stuck behind a slow-moving motorized vehicle for more than 60-90 seconds before they pulled over to allow safe passing.</p><p>I expect the same sort of behavior from bicyclists -- if they can't keep up with the normal flow of traffic it's their duty to take the same actions we'd expect from drivers of motorized vehicles:<br>A) choose another route better suited for the limitations of their vehicle (either wider or slower moving or with less traffic)<br>B) allow other vehicles to pass as frequently as is practical, at intervals of no more than about a minute, even if that requires them to pull out of the roadway from time to time.</p><p>I'll give you that a good half of the ire that cyclists get is undeserved; most people are not great drivers, don't terribly enjoy the activity, and are annoyed by anything that even slightly upsets their expectations. But the other half of what gets cyclists honked at is either a failure to extend such basic roadway courtesy, or the hypocritical attitude that asks motorists to "share the road" while spouting things like "I don't care...that you have to slow down". You'd never tolerate someone driving at 2/3 the speed limit and justifying it by saying "I don't feel safe driving faster", so why should we tolerate it from people on bikes?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there was a slow-moving motorized vehicle -- something traveling at less than say 75 \ % of the median speed of other traffic on the road -- many drivers would expect that vehicle to pull over to allow them to pass , rather than forcing them to drive long distances behind me at low speeds .
And in many cases the driver of the slow-moving vehicle will comply on a relatively frequent basis ; I have rarely been stuck behind a slow-moving motorized vehicle for more than 60-90 seconds before they pulled over to allow safe passing.I expect the same sort of behavior from bicyclists -- if they ca n't keep up with the normal flow of traffic it 's their duty to take the same actions we 'd expect from drivers of motorized vehicles : A ) choose another route better suited for the limitations of their vehicle ( either wider or slower moving or with less traffic ) B ) allow other vehicles to pass as frequently as is practical , at intervals of no more than about a minute , even if that requires them to pull out of the roadway from time to time.I 'll give you that a good half of the ire that cyclists get is undeserved ; most people are not great drivers , do n't terribly enjoy the activity , and are annoyed by anything that even slightly upsets their expectations .
But the other half of what gets cyclists honked at is either a failure to extend such basic roadway courtesy , or the hypocritical attitude that asks motorists to " share the road " while spouting things like " I do n't care...that you have to slow down " .
You 'd never tolerate someone driving at 2/3 the speed limit and justifying it by saying " I do n't feel safe driving faster " , so why should we tolerate it from people on bikes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there was a slow-moving motorized vehicle -- something traveling at less than say 75\% of the median speed of other traffic on the road -- many drivers would expect that vehicle to pull over to allow them to pass, rather than forcing them to drive long distances behind me at low speeds.
And in many cases the driver of the slow-moving vehicle will comply on a relatively frequent basis; I have rarely been stuck behind a slow-moving motorized vehicle for more than 60-90 seconds before they pulled over to allow safe passing.I expect the same sort of behavior from bicyclists -- if they can't keep up with the normal flow of traffic it's their duty to take the same actions we'd expect from drivers of motorized vehicles:A) choose another route better suited for the limitations of their vehicle (either wider or slower moving or with less traffic)B) allow other vehicles to pass as frequently as is practical, at intervals of no more than about a minute, even if that requires them to pull out of the roadway from time to time.I'll give you that a good half of the ire that cyclists get is undeserved; most people are not great drivers, don't terribly enjoy the activity, and are annoyed by anything that even slightly upsets their expectations.
But the other half of what gets cyclists honked at is either a failure to extend such basic roadway courtesy, or the hypocritical attitude that asks motorists to "share the road" while spouting things like "I don't care...that you have to slow down".
You'd never tolerate someone driving at 2/3 the speed limit and justifying it by saying "I don't feel safe driving faster", so why should we tolerate it from people on bikes?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556191</id>
	<title>Re:A 2 euro solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246541160000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"99.9\% of the surface of the earth"</p><p>Aprox 70\% of the earths surface is water, how do you purpose to build bike lanes on that....</p><p>Hey moron, check your facts before creating false stats, it just makes you look like a fool.</p><p>Have the best day ever!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" 99.9 \ % of the surface of the earth " Aprox 70 \ % of the earths surface is water , how do you purpose to build bike lanes on that....Hey moron , check your facts before creating false stats , it just makes you look like a fool.Have the best day ever !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"99.9\% of the surface of the earth"Aprox 70\% of the earths surface is water, how do you purpose to build bike lanes on that....Hey moron, check your facts before creating false stats, it just makes you look like a fool.Have the best day ever!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28558879</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1246554660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>Anyway, as a dutch person who has biked in the states (Knoxville, TN area) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads. I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... worthless and dangerous.</i></p><p>An Interstate? Or just a highway?</p><p>It's illegal to bring a bike (or really anything that can't do at least 45-50 MPH) onto an freeway. And all Interstates are freeways. Given that, of course they don't bother to make them safe for bikes. You're lucky you didn't get an expensive ticket for that.</p><p>If you're talking about just a highway, then, yeah, those are pretty bad in some states... Highway 2 and Highway 9 in Washington State are almost suicide with a bike, and in a lot of places don't have reasonable alternate routes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyway , as a dutch person who has biked in the states ( Knoxville , TN area ) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads .
I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville , a minor 10 mile ride , and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous.An Interstate ?
Or just a highway ? It 's illegal to bring a bike ( or really anything that ca n't do at least 45-50 MPH ) onto an freeway .
And all Interstates are freeways .
Given that , of course they do n't bother to make them safe for bikes .
You 're lucky you did n't get an expensive ticket for that.If you 're talking about just a highway , then , yeah , those are pretty bad in some states... Highway 2 and Highway 9 in Washington State are almost suicide with a bike , and in a lot of places do n't have reasonable alternate routes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyway, as a dutch person who has biked in the states (Knoxville, TN area) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads.
I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous.An Interstate?
Or just a highway?It's illegal to bring a bike (or really anything that can't do at least 45-50 MPH) onto an freeway.
And all Interstates are freeways.
Given that, of course they don't bother to make them safe for bikes.
You're lucky you didn't get an expensive ticket for that.If you're talking about just a highway, then, yeah, those are pretty bad in some states... Highway 2 and Highway 9 in Washington State are almost suicide with a bike, and in a lot of places don't have reasonable alternate routes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554629</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1246478160000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And I ask you this, would it bother you if I ride my unregistered dirt bike, horse or skateboard in the "bike lane" slowing you down? Goddamned right it would,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</i></p><p>We know what assuming does, right?</p><p>If you weren't being a dick about it, no, it wouldn't bother me much. I would simply wait for a break in the real traffic lane and pass you. (If you sped up to prevent that, that would qualify as you being a dick.) Cyclists get behind slower cyclists all the time, and motorists get behind slower motorists all the time, and we seem to deal with it reasonably well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I ask you this , would it bother you if I ride my unregistered dirt bike , horse or skateboard in the " bike lane " slowing you down ?
Goddamned right it would , ...We know what assuming does , right ? If you were n't being a dick about it , no , it would n't bother me much .
I would simply wait for a break in the real traffic lane and pass you .
( If you sped up to prevent that , that would qualify as you being a dick .
) Cyclists get behind slower cyclists all the time , and motorists get behind slower motorists all the time , and we seem to deal with it reasonably well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I ask you this, would it bother you if I ride my unregistered dirt bike, horse or skateboard in the "bike lane" slowing you down?
Goddamned right it would, ...We know what assuming does, right?If you weren't being a dick about it, no, it wouldn't bother me much.
I would simply wait for a break in the real traffic lane and pass you.
(If you sped up to prevent that, that would qualify as you being a dick.
) Cyclists get behind slower cyclists all the time, and motorists get behind slower motorists all the time, and we seem to deal with it reasonably well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28559009</id>
	<title>I'll never understand anti-biker hate</title>
	<author>GodfatherofSoul</author>
	<datestamp>1246555200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my life, I cannot recall a cyclist doing something jerk-wad-ish on the road.  I can only recall a few incidents of motorcyclists being reckless.  Yet, EVERY WEEK I have at least once incident with some dumbass in a car doing something thoughtless, reckless, or stupid.  This week I had a woman cruising the wrong way through the parking garage who ran me off the ramp, an idiot who pulled into a parking space and immediately decided to dive back into traffic without looking, and a neighbor who backed up his truck into the road without looking for cars.  I've never understood how drivers can be so annoyed by the few minutes of their lives inconvenienced by having to navigate around bikes.  Do you not understand that your 2 ton vehicle will KILL people if you aren't careful?  There is NO competition and even if a cyclist was being careless, you're going to end up with maybe a dent while he'll end up in traction for a year.</p><p>Instead of all the bitching about the "slow bikes" in front of you, how about you put down your damned cell phone and pay attention to the road?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my life , I can not recall a cyclist doing something jerk-wad-ish on the road .
I can only recall a few incidents of motorcyclists being reckless .
Yet , EVERY WEEK I have at least once incident with some dumbass in a car doing something thoughtless , reckless , or stupid .
This week I had a woman cruising the wrong way through the parking garage who ran me off the ramp , an idiot who pulled into a parking space and immediately decided to dive back into traffic without looking , and a neighbor who backed up his truck into the road without looking for cars .
I 've never understood how drivers can be so annoyed by the few minutes of their lives inconvenienced by having to navigate around bikes .
Do you not understand that your 2 ton vehicle will KILL people if you are n't careful ?
There is NO competition and even if a cyclist was being careless , you 're going to end up with maybe a dent while he 'll end up in traction for a year.Instead of all the bitching about the " slow bikes " in front of you , how about you put down your damned cell phone and pay attention to the road ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my life, I cannot recall a cyclist doing something jerk-wad-ish on the road.
I can only recall a few incidents of motorcyclists being reckless.
Yet, EVERY WEEK I have at least once incident with some dumbass in a car doing something thoughtless, reckless, or stupid.
This week I had a woman cruising the wrong way through the parking garage who ran me off the ramp, an idiot who pulled into a parking space and immediately decided to dive back into traffic without looking, and a neighbor who backed up his truck into the road without looking for cars.
I've never understood how drivers can be so annoyed by the few minutes of their lives inconvenienced by having to navigate around bikes.
Do you not understand that your 2 ton vehicle will KILL people if you aren't careful?
There is NO competition and even if a cyclist was being careless, you're going to end up with maybe a dent while he'll end up in traction for a year.Instead of all the bitching about the "slow bikes" in front of you, how about you put down your damned cell phone and pay attention to the road?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28558459</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>plague3106</author>
	<datestamp>1246553040000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... worthless and dangerous.</i></p><p>You were NOT forced to take an interstate.  There's always another road to use.  Its actually illegal to ride a bike on ANY interstate.. which is probably why you found it dangerous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville , a minor 10 mile ride , and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous.You were NOT forced to take an interstate .
There 's always another road to use .
Its actually illegal to ride a bike on ANY interstate.. which is probably why you found it dangerous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous.You were NOT forced to take an interstate.
There's always another road to use.
Its actually illegal to ride a bike on ANY interstate.. which is probably why you found it dangerous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28561475</id>
	<title>Re:Just get off the damn footpath</title>
	<author>Celeste R</author>
	<datestamp>1246562640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In many parts of the country, keeping off the pavement means riding through mud, grass, and people's property.  Riding on sidewalks is <b>not a safe solution</b>, and is prone to finding that crack in the sidewalk that punctures your tire, but it's often (at least in my experience) a better solution than running along with thoroughfare traffic.</p><p>Lumping bicycles together with large vehicle traffic is an imperfect solution (30mph tops, sometimes on 50mph roads), and is a 'solution' that the highway department doesn't want to solve appropriately by actually building more infrastructure.  Building appropriate lanes would also encourage proper rule-following.</p><p>We can hold bicyclists to the same rules as cars, but this is like expecting an oversize truck to share a road with a car on a narrow 2-lane road.  Someone has to give, and it makes sense to avoid an accident in the first place.  I'd rather face the ditch than to face (another) car who thinks that it's safe to tailgate me when the road is wet, very dry (sand drifts), or debris-ridden.</p><p>There is much more liability to a bicycle rider in an accident.  Sure, carrying insurance helps, but it doesn't fix your broken back from when a car rear-ended you.  We also know that insurance companies don't have your welfare in mind.</p><p>The problem isn't the rules; the problem is the way that we expect to put apples and oranges together and expect apple juice, when clearly it would be better separately.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In many parts of the country , keeping off the pavement means riding through mud , grass , and people 's property .
Riding on sidewalks is not a safe solution , and is prone to finding that crack in the sidewalk that punctures your tire , but it 's often ( at least in my experience ) a better solution than running along with thoroughfare traffic.Lumping bicycles together with large vehicle traffic is an imperfect solution ( 30mph tops , sometimes on 50mph roads ) , and is a 'solution ' that the highway department does n't want to solve appropriately by actually building more infrastructure .
Building appropriate lanes would also encourage proper rule-following.We can hold bicyclists to the same rules as cars , but this is like expecting an oversize truck to share a road with a car on a narrow 2-lane road .
Someone has to give , and it makes sense to avoid an accident in the first place .
I 'd rather face the ditch than to face ( another ) car who thinks that it 's safe to tailgate me when the road is wet , very dry ( sand drifts ) , or debris-ridden.There is much more liability to a bicycle rider in an accident .
Sure , carrying insurance helps , but it does n't fix your broken back from when a car rear-ended you .
We also know that insurance companies do n't have your welfare in mind.The problem is n't the rules ; the problem is the way that we expect to put apples and oranges together and expect apple juice , when clearly it would be better separately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In many parts of the country, keeping off the pavement means riding through mud, grass, and people's property.
Riding on sidewalks is not a safe solution, and is prone to finding that crack in the sidewalk that punctures your tire, but it's often (at least in my experience) a better solution than running along with thoroughfare traffic.Lumping bicycles together with large vehicle traffic is an imperfect solution (30mph tops, sometimes on 50mph roads), and is a 'solution' that the highway department doesn't want to solve appropriately by actually building more infrastructure.
Building appropriate lanes would also encourage proper rule-following.We can hold bicyclists to the same rules as cars, but this is like expecting an oversize truck to share a road with a car on a narrow 2-lane road.
Someone has to give, and it makes sense to avoid an accident in the first place.
I'd rather face the ditch than to face (another) car who thinks that it's safe to tailgate me when the road is wet, very dry (sand drifts), or debris-ridden.There is much more liability to a bicycle rider in an accident.
Sure, carrying insurance helps, but it doesn't fix your broken back from when a car rear-ended you.
We also know that insurance companies don't have your welfare in mind.The problem isn't the rules; the problem is the way that we expect to put apples and oranges together and expect apple juice, when clearly it would be better separately.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556237</id>
	<title>Urban roads are paid out of council taxes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246541580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which cyclists pay for.</p><p>Epic.</p><p>Fail.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which cyclists pay for.Epic.Fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which cyclists pay for.Epic.Fail.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555081</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1246526820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just stop foolishly engaging in a war with cars that you just can't possibly win. It's statistics and physics. The saddest part is that you might take somebody's else's life along with your own with your piss poor attitude.</p></div><p>I thought that's what the 2nd Amendment is for?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just stop foolishly engaging in a war with cars that you just ca n't possibly win .
It 's statistics and physics .
The saddest part is that you might take somebody 's else 's life along with your own with your piss poor attitude.I thought that 's what the 2nd Amendment is for ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just stop foolishly engaging in a war with cars that you just can't possibly win.
It's statistics and physics.
The saddest part is that you might take somebody's else's life along with your own with your piss poor attitude.I thought that's what the 2nd Amendment is for?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557907</id>
	<title>I'm standing on your fins ... can you move ?</title>
	<author>freaker\_TuC</author>
	<datestamp>1246550220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds good<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Only<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... How will you move while I'm standing on your "reflector" ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds good ... Only ... How will you move while I 'm standing on your " reflector " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds good ... Only ... How will you move while I'm standing on your "reflector" ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28569995</id>
	<title>Re:In NYC, we have less tolerance...for cars that</title>
	<author>ltrm</author>
	<datestamp>1246621860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Spend an hour on the freeway at 20 mph because there's cyclist blocking the entire road and you'll understand where the bike haters are coming from.</p></div><p>
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P
<br>An hour!

<br>At 20mph?

<br>For one cyclist?!</p><p>Oh, come on, you must be able to safely overtake 1 cyclist in less time than that.  I don't believe you've ever been held up for a whole hour by one cyclist, what a load of old bollox!</p><p>I highly doubt anyone who can hold 20mph+ average for an hour is not to give you safe pace to pace in one whole hour.  For starters, they'd have been run off the road years ago.</p><p>Just YOU wait till this happens to you 'cause it aign't happened yet!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Spend an hour on the freeway at 20 mph because there 's cyclist blocking the entire road and you 'll understand where the bike haters are coming from .
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE !
: P An hour !
At 20mph ?
For one cyclist ?
! Oh , come on , you must be able to safely overtake 1 cyclist in less time than that .
I do n't believe you 've ever been held up for a whole hour by one cyclist , what a load of old bollox ! I highly doubt anyone who can hold 20mph + average for an hour is not to give you safe pace to pace in one whole hour .
For starters , they 'd have been run off the road years ago.Just YOU wait till this happens to you 'cause it aig n't happened yet !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spend an hour on the freeway at 20 mph because there's cyclist blocking the entire road and you'll understand where the bike haters are coming from.
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!
:P
An hour!
At 20mph?
For one cyclist?
!Oh, come on, you must be able to safely overtake 1 cyclist in less time than that.
I don't believe you've ever been held up for a whole hour by one cyclist, what a load of old bollox!I highly doubt anyone who can hold 20mph+ average for an hour is not to give you safe pace to pace in one whole hour.
For starters, they'd have been run off the road years ago.Just YOU wait till this happens to you 'cause it aign't happened yet!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28561889</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246564020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yep here in oregon bikes are considered the same as cars and motorbikes, which means you ride on the road unless there is a specific bike lane... ride on the sidewalk thats a ticket, break a 35mph speed-limit thats a ticket,  basically here things are a common sense rule, the one thing you dont do is act like your bike has special rights, or is the same as a pedestrian... you will be killed.</p><p>besides how long will it be until some idiot gets hit and claims I was in a clearly marked bike lane! just because this dumb device gives them some comfort and they stop realizing/worrying about the fact they are one a 30 pound bike frame and there's a 2.5 ton SUV ready to grind them into a paste.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yep here in oregon bikes are considered the same as cars and motorbikes , which means you ride on the road unless there is a specific bike lane... ride on the sidewalk thats a ticket , break a 35mph speed-limit thats a ticket , basically here things are a common sense rule , the one thing you dont do is act like your bike has special rights , or is the same as a pedestrian... you will be killed.besides how long will it be until some idiot gets hit and claims I was in a clearly marked bike lane !
just because this dumb device gives them some comfort and they stop realizing/worrying about the fact they are one a 30 pound bike frame and there 's a 2.5 ton SUV ready to grind them into a paste .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yep here in oregon bikes are considered the same as cars and motorbikes, which means you ride on the road unless there is a specific bike lane... ride on the sidewalk thats a ticket, break a 35mph speed-limit thats a ticket,  basically here things are a common sense rule, the one thing you dont do is act like your bike has special rights, or is the same as a pedestrian... you will be killed.besides how long will it be until some idiot gets hit and claims I was in a clearly marked bike lane!
just because this dumb device gives them some comfort and they stop realizing/worrying about the fact they are one a 30 pound bike frame and there's a 2.5 ton SUV ready to grind them into a paste.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556767</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246545000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Congratulations on figuring out why it is illegal to ride a bicycle on the interstate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations on figuring out why it is illegal to ride a bicycle on the interstate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations on figuring out why it is illegal to ride a bicycle on the interstate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557511</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246548480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"There's no problem with this setup. Until, of course, there's a bike race and hundreds of city dwellers descend on the town. The city cyclists get out there like there's something to prove, riding 4 feet out into the lane, often 2 abreast for no reason. The people here have no desire to hit a cyclist and aren't used to this asshole road-blocking behavior."</p><p>This blows my mind. It's a RACE!!! You have a big crowd of people racing (which they all paid good money to do) and you think they should all queue up single file to let you pass? Who exactly is the self righteous one here? The rules for the racers is that they stay to the right of the yellow line. You should have no problem passing in a passing zone.  Believe me, you are the last thing on the racers mind. Do you get this pissed off when you have to wait behind a tractor or is your rage only reserved for "city dwellers"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" There 's no problem with this setup .
Until , of course , there 's a bike race and hundreds of city dwellers descend on the town .
The city cyclists get out there like there 's something to prove , riding 4 feet out into the lane , often 2 abreast for no reason .
The people here have no desire to hit a cyclist and are n't used to this asshole road-blocking behavior .
" This blows my mind .
It 's a RACE ! ! !
You have a big crowd of people racing ( which they all paid good money to do ) and you think they should all queue up single file to let you pass ?
Who exactly is the self righteous one here ?
The rules for the racers is that they stay to the right of the yellow line .
You should have no problem passing in a passing zone .
Believe me , you are the last thing on the racers mind .
Do you get this pissed off when you have to wait behind a tractor or is your rage only reserved for " city dwellers " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There's no problem with this setup.
Until, of course, there's a bike race and hundreds of city dwellers descend on the town.
The city cyclists get out there like there's something to prove, riding 4 feet out into the lane, often 2 abreast for no reason.
The people here have no desire to hit a cyclist and aren't used to this asshole road-blocking behavior.
"This blows my mind.
It's a RACE!!!
You have a big crowd of people racing (which they all paid good money to do) and you think they should all queue up single file to let you pass?
Who exactly is the self righteous one here?
The rules for the racers is that they stay to the right of the yellow line.
You should have no problem passing in a passing zone.
Believe me, you are the last thing on the racers mind.
Do you get this pissed off when you have to wait behind a tractor or is your rage only reserved for "city dwellers"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556185</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>jdoc</author>
	<datestamp>1246541160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>The laws regarding cyclists and motorists on the roads in the US are pretty clear.  I've been commuting to work for about 8 years now, and have witnessed or been a part of practically every situation imaginable.  Cyclists have all of the same 'rights' to the road as motorists do, except when stated clearly otherwise (eg, on highways- 'no cyclists allowed').</p><p>Tidbits:<br>-cyclists can ride as 'close as practicable from the side of the road', meaning they do NOT have to ride within the boundary of the shoulder, especially if there is debris on the far side.<br>-motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists, including passing laws.  It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass' line on their side, just as it is when passing a car.  Furthermore, motorists must use the same discretion when passing cyclists, say on a hill or around a curve, as they would when passing another automobile.<br>-cyclists have the right to ride 2x2 in the road, but must let traffic pass when appropriate<br>-cyclists MAY take up an entire lane if they deem the situation to be potentially hazardous to them, eg when going over a hill.  If the cyclists suspects that their well being will be endangered by a driver wanting to pass them from behind while going over a hill or around a curve, they can effectively stop this from happening by taking up the lane.  This is a tricky predicament because the aggressive driver behind you may want to pass anyway<br>-cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs, and they CAN travel through red lights.  They have to make a concerted effort, however, to show responsibility and safety<br>-at night, bikes MUST have both front and rear lights, clearly visible to the driver, as well as side reflectors, and preferably reflective clothing.<br>-in general, a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway.  The problem is not with MOST drivers or cyclists- both parties share ignorance when it comes to cyclists.  The problem is with a few, but I would say that most drivers are not aware of, or refuse to acknowledge, the laws regarding cyclists.</p><p>One last tidbit- someone mentioned in a prior post here that 'cars will always win the battle in a confrontation (paraphrase)'.  While that may be true from a physical standpoint, in a court of law, if the motorist hits a cyclist, and the cyclists was obeying the laws of the road, then that's assault with a deadly weapon, and the motorist will be brought up on at least vehicular man-slaughter charges, if not murder (if the cyclist dies).</p><p>If an aggressive motorist makes a movement of any sort towards you, or threatens you even if you are not touched or physically harmed, that is assault (if you even fear an aggressive driver, that's assault).</p><p>There are some great books regarding the laws surrounding cyclists.  And it also helps that my wife is a lawyer!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The laws regarding cyclists and motorists on the roads in the US are pretty clear .
I 've been commuting to work for about 8 years now , and have witnessed or been a part of practically every situation imaginable .
Cyclists have all of the same 'rights ' to the road as motorists do , except when stated clearly otherwise ( eg , on highways- 'no cyclists allowed ' ) .Tidbits : -cyclists can ride as 'close as practicable from the side of the road ' , meaning they do NOT have to ride within the boundary of the shoulder , especially if there is debris on the far side.-motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists , including passing laws .
It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass ' line on their side , just as it is when passing a car .
Furthermore , motorists must use the same discretion when passing cyclists , say on a hill or around a curve , as they would when passing another automobile.-cyclists have the right to ride 2x2 in the road , but must let traffic pass when appropriate-cyclists MAY take up an entire lane if they deem the situation to be potentially hazardous to them , eg when going over a hill .
If the cyclists suspects that their well being will be endangered by a driver wanting to pass them from behind while going over a hill or around a curve , they can effectively stop this from happening by taking up the lane .
This is a tricky predicament because the aggressive driver behind you may want to pass anyway-cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs , and they CAN travel through red lights .
They have to make a concerted effort , however , to show responsibility and safety-at night , bikes MUST have both front and rear lights , clearly visible to the driver , as well as side reflectors , and preferably reflective clothing.-in general , a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway .
The problem is not with MOST drivers or cyclists- both parties share ignorance when it comes to cyclists .
The problem is with a few , but I would say that most drivers are not aware of , or refuse to acknowledge , the laws regarding cyclists.One last tidbit- someone mentioned in a prior post here that 'cars will always win the battle in a confrontation ( paraphrase ) ' .
While that may be true from a physical standpoint , in a court of law , if the motorist hits a cyclist , and the cyclists was obeying the laws of the road , then that 's assault with a deadly weapon , and the motorist will be brought up on at least vehicular man-slaughter charges , if not murder ( if the cyclist dies ) .If an aggressive motorist makes a movement of any sort towards you , or threatens you even if you are not touched or physically harmed , that is assault ( if you even fear an aggressive driver , that 's assault ) .There are some great books regarding the laws surrounding cyclists .
And it also helps that my wife is a lawyer !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The laws regarding cyclists and motorists on the roads in the US are pretty clear.
I've been commuting to work for about 8 years now, and have witnessed or been a part of practically every situation imaginable.
Cyclists have all of the same 'rights' to the road as motorists do, except when stated clearly otherwise (eg, on highways- 'no cyclists allowed').Tidbits:-cyclists can ride as 'close as practicable from the side of the road', meaning they do NOT have to ride within the boundary of the shoulder, especially if there is debris on the far side.-motorists MUST obey all road laws when dealing with cyclists, including passing laws.
It is against the law to pass cyclists with a solid yellow 'no pass' line on their side, just as it is when passing a car.
Furthermore, motorists must use the same discretion when passing cyclists, say on a hill or around a curve, as they would when passing another automobile.-cyclists have the right to ride 2x2 in the road, but must let traffic pass when appropriate-cyclists MAY take up an entire lane if they deem the situation to be potentially hazardous to them, eg when going over a hill.
If the cyclists suspects that their well being will be endangered by a driver wanting to pass them from behind while going over a hill or around a curve, they can effectively stop this from happening by taking up the lane.
This is a tricky predicament because the aggressive driver behind you may want to pass anyway-cyclists DO NOT have to come to a complete stop at stop signs, and they CAN travel through red lights.
They have to make a concerted effort, however, to show responsibility and safety-at night, bikes MUST have both front and rear lights, clearly visible to the driver, as well as side reflectors, and preferably reflective clothing.-in general, a bicycle is just another vehicle on the roadway.
The problem is not with MOST drivers or cyclists- both parties share ignorance when it comes to cyclists.
The problem is with a few, but I would say that most drivers are not aware of, or refuse to acknowledge, the laws regarding cyclists.One last tidbit- someone mentioned in a prior post here that 'cars will always win the battle in a confrontation (paraphrase)'.
While that may be true from a physical standpoint, in a court of law, if the motorist hits a cyclist, and the cyclists was obeying the laws of the road, then that's assault with a deadly weapon, and the motorist will be brought up on at least vehicular man-slaughter charges, if not murder (if the cyclist dies).If an aggressive motorist makes a movement of any sort towards you, or threatens you even if you are not touched or physically harmed, that is assault (if you even fear an aggressive driver, that's assault).There are some great books regarding the laws surrounding cyclists.
And it also helps that my wife is a lawyer!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555285</id>
	<title>Slight tweak to work better</title>
	<author>Arimus</author>
	<datestamp>1246529640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Only going to make life safer if you can crank the power up to several hundred MW and blow the annoying cars up before they reach you...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only going to make life safer if you can crank the power up to several hundred MW and blow the annoying cars up before they reach you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only going to make life safer if you can crank the power up to several hundred MW and blow the annoying cars up before they reach you...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555421</id>
	<title>Re:Insurance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246531560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>(Yes folks, those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motorists)</p></div> </blockquote><p>
No they're not. Did you forget the knee-jerk reference to "Road Fund Licence" that normally accompanies rants of this nature?</p><p>


Vehicle Excise Duty is not a hypothecated tax - it's just a tax.  In the UK, roads are paid for through general taxation, and <b>everyone</b> who pays tax, whether it be Income Tax, Value-Added Tax, Fuel Duty or whatever, driver, pedestrian or cyclist, is paying for road maintenance.  Even those kids on your lawn are paying VAT on their sweets and crisps!</p></div>
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<tokenext>( Yes folks , those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motorists ) No they 're not .
Did you forget the knee-jerk reference to " Road Fund Licence " that normally accompanies rants of this nature ?
Vehicle Excise Duty is not a hypothecated tax - it 's just a tax .
In the UK , roads are paid for through general taxation , and everyone who pays tax , whether it be Income Tax , Value-Added Tax , Fuel Duty or whatever , driver , pedestrian or cyclist , is paying for road maintenance .
Even those kids on your lawn are paying VAT on their sweets and crisps !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Yes folks, those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motorists) 
No they're not.
Did you forget the knee-jerk reference to "Road Fund Licence" that normally accompanies rants of this nature?
Vehicle Excise Duty is not a hypothecated tax - it's just a tax.
In the UK, roads are paid for through general taxation, and everyone who pays tax, whether it be Income Tax, Value-Added Tax, Fuel Duty or whatever, driver, pedestrian or cyclist, is paying for road maintenance.
Even those kids on your lawn are paying VAT on their sweets and crisps!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557533</id>
	<title>Re:Insurance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246548540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(Yes folks, those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motorists)</p></div><p>Dunno about the UK, but here in the States most people who ride bikes also drive. It's rare to find the bike only person.</p></div>
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<tokenext>( Yes folks , those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motorists ) Dunno about the UK , but here in the States most people who ride bikes also drive .
It 's rare to find the bike only person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Yes folks, those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motorists)Dunno about the UK, but here in the States most people who ride bikes also drive.
It's rare to find the bike only person.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554081</id>
	<title>About an Autobahn lane projector ?</title>
	<author>ls671</author>
	<datestamp>1246472460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where this projector would be adapted on a car to project an autobahn lane with no speed limit while driving on the highway<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)) ?</p><p><a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Zeichen\_330.svg/100px-Zeichen\_330.svg.png" title="wikimedia.org">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Zeichen\_330.svg/100px-Zeichen\_330.svg.png</a> [wikimedia.org]</p><p>Anyway, would this type of device be legal everywhere even for bikes ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where this projector would be adapted on a car to project an autobahn lane with no speed limit while driving on the highway ; - ) ) ? http : //upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Zeichen \ _330.svg/100px-Zeichen \ _330.svg.png [ wikimedia.org ] Anyway , would this type of device be legal everywhere even for bikes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where this projector would be adapted on a car to project an autobahn lane with no speed limit while driving on the highway ;-)) ?http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b4/Zeichen\_330.svg/100px-Zeichen\_330.svg.png [wikimedia.org]Anyway, would this type of device be legal everywhere even for bikes ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555741</id>
	<title>WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246536480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look, I am all for alternative transportation <i>and dedicated bike lanes, but this is just stupid. Near the top of the list of stupid ideas, in fact, is the idea of cyclists (too many of whom already have a badly skewed sense of entitlement when it comes to roadways) "creating" their own lanes and expecting everyone else to respect them.</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , I am all for alternative transportation and dedicated bike lanes , but this is just stupid .
Near the top of the list of stupid ideas , in fact , is the idea of cyclists ( too many of whom already have a badly skewed sense of entitlement when it comes to roadways ) " creating " their own lanes and expecting everyone else to respect them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, I am all for alternative transportation and dedicated bike lanes, but this is just stupid.
Near the top of the list of stupid ideas, in fact, is the idea of cyclists (too many of whom already have a badly skewed sense of entitlement when it comes to roadways) "creating" their own lanes and expecting everyone else to respect them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557473</id>
	<title>Re:So what make this news now?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246548300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The editors don't like youse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The editors do n't like youse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The editors don't like youse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556897</id>
	<title>Re:Just get off the damn footpath</title>
	<author>SendBot</author>
	<datestamp>1246545780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Simply improve bicycle safety by keeping off the pavement and...</p></div><p>Holy shit - where can I buy a hoverbike!?</p><p>TELL ME NOW!!!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Simply improve bicycle safety by keeping off the pavement and...Holy shit - where can I buy a hoverbike !
? TELL ME NOW ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simply improve bicycle safety by keeping off the pavement and...Holy shit - where can I buy a hoverbike!
?TELL ME NOW!!
!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555869</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246538220000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate </i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; So you found yourself forced to break the law? Bicycles are not allowed on interstates - shoulder or not.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; And then people blame automobiles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate       So you found yourself forced to break the law ?
Bicycles are not allowed on interstates - shoulder or not .
      And then people blame automobiles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate 
      So you found yourself forced to break the law?
Bicycles are not allowed on interstates - shoulder or not.
      And then people blame automobiles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557687</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246549320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Canada, the yellow line is a suggestion and does not need to be heeded. Though the recommendations tend to be rather sound.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Canada , the yellow line is a suggestion and does not need to be heeded .
Though the recommendations tend to be rather sound .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Canada, the yellow line is a suggestion and does not need to be heeded.
Though the recommendations tend to be rather sound.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554925</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>sqldr</author>
	<datestamp>1246567980000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Until you start paying rego, compulsary third party insurance and obeying the road rules you don't have any moral right to make use of the road.</p></div></blockquote><p>

I do.  Costs me &pound;30/year and insures me for &pound;1000000 in damages.</p><blockquote><div><p>Or in other words, move the fuck over.</p></div></blockquote><p>

I'll move the fuck over when it's safe for you to overtake.  I expect 70 cm between me and kerb, and a further 70cm between me and passing car, as dictated by the highway code.  If there are hazards, crossings, or junctions coming up, then I'm not pulling in, but I'm happy to peddle at 30mph whilst doing so.  IF you hit me, then I hope your cellmate prefers being the woman.</p><blockquote><div><p>I ride three or four times a week and know my place when I hit the road, that is I'm living on borrowed time at everybody elses expense, patience and convenience riding my bike on a piece of government infrastructure that was not designed for nor payed for by push bike riders.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Given your attitude, I sincerely doubt you actually ride at all, ever.  I could bring up various factors such as the fact that I also paid for that road with my annual road tax, or that my bike causes about 1\% as much wear and tear as the fat fucks in cars who think they're the only ones entitled to use it.  Then of course, there's congestsion - it's YOU that's jamming the roads up, not us.  A little knowledge of how traffic jams occur might help you.  I won't quote the equations because I expect you'll find them difficult, but in a 30mph limit with a single lane, if there is a bike doing 20mph half way down it, then the only effect will be a brief gap in the traffic around the cyclist.  Upon reaching the next junction after overtaking the bike, you will have lost ZERO time, except maybe some fuel as you put down the accellerator and power up to tailgate the car that's in front.  That's what you can't pass.  In fact, look up "rolling blockade" - police cars use this very tactic to relieve pressure at junctions.  If everyone piles up to a junction as fast as they can, it creates a bottleneck.  If there isn't a car in front, then chances are it's safe to overtake the cyclist anyway because the road is open.  What next, charging pedestrians for crossings?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Until you start paying rego , compulsary third party insurance and obeying the road rules you do n't have any moral right to make use of the road .
I do .
Costs me   30/year and insures me for   1000000 in damages.Or in other words , move the fuck over .
I 'll move the fuck over when it 's safe for you to overtake .
I expect 70 cm between me and kerb , and a further 70cm between me and passing car , as dictated by the highway code .
If there are hazards , crossings , or junctions coming up , then I 'm not pulling in , but I 'm happy to peddle at 30mph whilst doing so .
IF you hit me , then I hope your cellmate prefers being the woman.I ride three or four times a week and know my place when I hit the road , that is I 'm living on borrowed time at everybody elses expense , patience and convenience riding my bike on a piece of government infrastructure that was not designed for nor payed for by push bike riders .
Given your attitude , I sincerely doubt you actually ride at all , ever .
I could bring up various factors such as the fact that I also paid for that road with my annual road tax , or that my bike causes about 1 \ % as much wear and tear as the fat fucks in cars who think they 're the only ones entitled to use it .
Then of course , there 's congestsion - it 's YOU that 's jamming the roads up , not us .
A little knowledge of how traffic jams occur might help you .
I wo n't quote the equations because I expect you 'll find them difficult , but in a 30mph limit with a single lane , if there is a bike doing 20mph half way down it , then the only effect will be a brief gap in the traffic around the cyclist .
Upon reaching the next junction after overtaking the bike , you will have lost ZERO time , except maybe some fuel as you put down the accellerator and power up to tailgate the car that 's in front .
That 's what you ca n't pass .
In fact , look up " rolling blockade " - police cars use this very tactic to relieve pressure at junctions .
If everyone piles up to a junction as fast as they can , it creates a bottleneck .
If there is n't a car in front , then chances are it 's safe to overtake the cyclist anyway because the road is open .
What next , charging pedestrians for crossings ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until you start paying rego, compulsary third party insurance and obeying the road rules you don't have any moral right to make use of the road.
I do.
Costs me £30/year and insures me for £1000000 in damages.Or in other words, move the fuck over.
I'll move the fuck over when it's safe for you to overtake.
I expect 70 cm between me and kerb, and a further 70cm between me and passing car, as dictated by the highway code.
If there are hazards, crossings, or junctions coming up, then I'm not pulling in, but I'm happy to peddle at 30mph whilst doing so.
IF you hit me, then I hope your cellmate prefers being the woman.I ride three or four times a week and know my place when I hit the road, that is I'm living on borrowed time at everybody elses expense, patience and convenience riding my bike on a piece of government infrastructure that was not designed for nor payed for by push bike riders.
Given your attitude, I sincerely doubt you actually ride at all, ever.
I could bring up various factors such as the fact that I also paid for that road with my annual road tax, or that my bike causes about 1\% as much wear and tear as the fat fucks in cars who think they're the only ones entitled to use it.
Then of course, there's congestsion - it's YOU that's jamming the roads up, not us.
A little knowledge of how traffic jams occur might help you.
I won't quote the equations because I expect you'll find them difficult, but in a 30mph limit with a single lane, if there is a bike doing 20mph half way down it, then the only effect will be a brief gap in the traffic around the cyclist.
Upon reaching the next junction after overtaking the bike, you will have lost ZERO time, except maybe some fuel as you put down the accellerator and power up to tailgate the car that's in front.
That's what you can't pass.
In fact, look up "rolling blockade" - police cars use this very tactic to relieve pressure at junctions.
If everyone piles up to a junction as fast as they can, it creates a bottleneck.
If there isn't a car in front, then chances are it's safe to overtake the cyclist anyway because the road is open.
What next, charging pedestrians for crossings?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556303</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246542000000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) It is impossible to be 'forced' onto the interstate.  There are *always* alternatives to the freeway, and riding a bicycle on the freeway is illegal anyway.</p><p>2) America is bigger than you think.  Tennessee alone is bigger than your home country.  Do you think, just maybe, that the situation is different in different parts of the country?  Nah.  Better generalize your one poorly-thought-out experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) It is impossible to be 'forced ' onto the interstate .
There are * always * alternatives to the freeway , and riding a bicycle on the freeway is illegal anyway.2 ) America is bigger than you think .
Tennessee alone is bigger than your home country .
Do you think , just maybe , that the situation is different in different parts of the country ?
Nah. Better generalize your one poorly-thought-out experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) It is impossible to be 'forced' onto the interstate.
There are *always* alternatives to the freeway, and riding a bicycle on the freeway is illegal anyway.2) America is bigger than you think.
Tennessee alone is bigger than your home country.
Do you think, just maybe, that the situation is different in different parts of the country?
Nah.  Better generalize your one poorly-thought-out experience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554265</id>
	<title>Re:Here's a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246474140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's illegal to ride on footpaths here.</p><p>I don't ride '8 feet out from the curb', indeed that would be almost in the next lane in most cities.</p><p>I do however ride a fair distance from the curb when the lane is narrow. The problem with riding close to the curb is that doing so will give impatient motorists the incorrect impression that there is safe room to pass. By riding in the middle of the road drivers with poor spatial awareness won't attempt to pass me while there is insufficient room to do so. When the road is wide enough to allow a cyclist + a car, I hug the white line.</p><p>Ultimately, I don't care if you're pissed off that you have to slow down to 35k in a 50k zone as long as you don't crash into me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's illegal to ride on footpaths here.I do n't ride '8 feet out from the curb ' , indeed that would be almost in the next lane in most cities.I do however ride a fair distance from the curb when the lane is narrow .
The problem with riding close to the curb is that doing so will give impatient motorists the incorrect impression that there is safe room to pass .
By riding in the middle of the road drivers with poor spatial awareness wo n't attempt to pass me while there is insufficient room to do so .
When the road is wide enough to allow a cyclist + a car , I hug the white line.Ultimately , I do n't care if you 're pissed off that you have to slow down to 35k in a 50k zone as long as you do n't crash into me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's illegal to ride on footpaths here.I don't ride '8 feet out from the curb', indeed that would be almost in the next lane in most cities.I do however ride a fair distance from the curb when the lane is narrow.
The problem with riding close to the curb is that doing so will give impatient motorists the incorrect impression that there is safe room to pass.
By riding in the middle of the road drivers with poor spatial awareness won't attempt to pass me while there is insufficient room to do so.
When the road is wide enough to allow a cyclist + a car, I hug the white line.Ultimately, I don't care if you're pissed off that you have to slow down to 35k in a 50k zone as long as you don't crash into me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28569763</id>
	<title>Re:regenerative braking</title>
	<author>mcvos</author>
	<datestamp>1246618500000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the thing city bikes REALLY need is regenerative breaking - compared to cars, bikes suck at acceleration,</p></div><p>That depends entirely on who's riding the bike. I've never met a car that can accellerate faster than I can (although motorbikes are usually a lot faster).</p><p>I agree that saving my kinetic energy when braking would be really cool, though.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the thing city bikes REALLY need is regenerative breaking - compared to cars , bikes suck at acceleration,That depends entirely on who 's riding the bike .
I 've never met a car that can accellerate faster than I can ( although motorbikes are usually a lot faster ) .I agree that saving my kinetic energy when braking would be really cool , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the thing city bikes REALLY need is regenerative breaking - compared to cars, bikes suck at acceleration,That depends entirely on who's riding the bike.
I've never met a car that can accellerate faster than I can (although motorbikes are usually a lot faster).I agree that saving my kinetic energy when braking would be really cool, though.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557051</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246546620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://bicyclesafe.com/<br>Ten Ways To Not Get Hit</p><p>Basically, ride further left to avoid accidents and when in doubt about a situation, take the whole lane and force vehicles to pass as they would any other slow moving vehicle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //bicyclesafe.com/Ten Ways To Not Get HitBasically , ride further left to avoid accidents and when in doubt about a situation , take the whole lane and force vehicles to pass as they would any other slow moving vehicle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://bicyclesafe.com/Ten Ways To Not Get HitBasically, ride further left to avoid accidents and when in doubt about a situation, take the whole lane and force vehicles to pass as they would any other slow moving vehicle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556601</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>NES HQ</author>
	<datestamp>1246544040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Anyway, as a dutch person who has biked in the states (Knoxville, TN area) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads. I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... worthless and dangerous.

To paint the picture, in the Netherlands you could cycle the whole country without having to share a lane with a car once<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... we have a pretty good infrastructure with bike lanes and even seperate bike paths with run parallel to the roads.</i>

<p>Netherlands Size: 16,033 sq mi

</p><p>US Size: 3,794,066 sq mi

</p><p>No surprise that it's easier to build an extensive biking network in The Netherlands than the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyway , as a dutch person who has biked in the states ( Knoxville , TN area ) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads .
I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville , a minor 10 mile ride , and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous .
To paint the picture , in the Netherlands you could cycle the whole country without having to share a lane with a car once ... we have a pretty good infrastructure with bike lanes and even seperate bike paths with run parallel to the roads .
Netherlands Size : 16,033 sq mi US Size : 3,794,066 sq mi No surprise that it 's easier to build an extensive biking network in The Netherlands than the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyway, as a dutch person who has biked in the states (Knoxville, TN area) I was absolutely appaled by the risks bikers have to take on americans roads.
I was trying to make my way from my parents house to knoxville, a minor 10 mile ride, and at one point found myself forced to take an interstate ... holding to the shoulder of course but it was rocky and all ... worthless and dangerous.
To paint the picture, in the Netherlands you could cycle the whole country without having to share a lane with a car once ... we have a pretty good infrastructure with bike lanes and even seperate bike paths with run parallel to the roads.
Netherlands Size: 16,033 sq mi

US Size: 3,794,066 sq mi

No surprise that it's easier to build an extensive biking network in The Netherlands than the US.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555249</id>
	<title>Insurance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246529280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I see all these people arguing about cyclists vs cars, obnoxious vs pleasant, etc and I really don't care. All I do care about though, is that cyclists should be forced to have insurance when they are given the privilege of using the Queen's Highway free of charge. (Yes folks, those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motorists)
<br> <br>
Sure, smack my mirror on the way past down the queue of traffic, maybe scratch the side of my door with the pedal clips, and I just love it when a cyclist comes barrelling out a side street and into the side of my vehicle leaving a nice big dent in the door.
<br> <br>
Yes, the cyclist may have a few scratches from his or her own carelessness, but it's \_my\_ insurance premiums that are going up due to someone elses carelessness. If cyclists want to be treated equally on these roads, then they can start being charged equally and held equally responsible for damage. For what it's worth, I am both a cyclist and a car driver, and yes... I do have insurance for my cycling stuff. Liability up to &#194;&pound;3 million if memory serves.
<br> <br>
Now, gerroff my lawn!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see all these people arguing about cyclists vs cars , obnoxious vs pleasant , etc and I really do n't care .
All I do care about though , is that cyclists should be forced to have insurance when they are given the privilege of using the Queen 's Highway free of charge .
( Yes folks , those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motorists ) Sure , smack my mirror on the way past down the queue of traffic , maybe scratch the side of my door with the pedal clips , and I just love it when a cyclist comes barrelling out a side street and into the side of my vehicle leaving a nice big dent in the door .
Yes , the cyclist may have a few scratches from his or her own carelessness , but it 's \ _my \ _ insurance premiums that are going up due to someone elses carelessness .
If cyclists want to be treated equally on these roads , then they can start being charged equally and held equally responsible for damage .
For what it 's worth , I am both a cyclist and a car driver , and yes... I do have insurance for my cycling stuff .
Liability up to     3 million if memory serves .
Now , gerroff my lawn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see all these people arguing about cyclists vs cars, obnoxious vs pleasant, etc and I really don't care.
All I do care about though, is that cyclists should be forced to have insurance when they are given the privilege of using the Queen's Highway free of charge.
(Yes folks, those lovely roads you cycle on are paid from the taxation of motorists)
 
Sure, smack my mirror on the way past down the queue of traffic, maybe scratch the side of my door with the pedal clips, and I just love it when a cyclist comes barrelling out a side street and into the side of my vehicle leaving a nice big dent in the door.
Yes, the cyclist may have a few scratches from his or her own carelessness, but it's \_my\_ insurance premiums that are going up due to someone elses carelessness.
If cyclists want to be treated equally on these roads, then they can start being charged equally and held equally responsible for damage.
For what it's worth, I am both a cyclist and a car driver, and yes... I do have insurance for my cycling stuff.
Liability up to Â£3 million if memory serves.
Now, gerroff my lawn!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557365</id>
	<title>Re:In NYC, we have less tolerance...for cars that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246547940000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, with one anecdotal caveat:  the only shitty drivers that have ever hit me on my bike in Manhattan have been cabbies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , with one anecdotal caveat : the only shitty drivers that have ever hit me on my bike in Manhattan have been cabbies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, with one anecdotal caveat:  the only shitty drivers that have ever hit me on my bike in Manhattan have been cabbies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555517</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>aclarke</author>
	<datestamp>1246532940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you get upset at runners during a running race?  We drove by a bunch of runners during a race yesterday.  We slowed down, waited until we could respectfully and safely pass each runner, and then went by.  It took up an extra 30 seconds of my day, maybe.  However, we were the losers in the car while they were the people out enjoying the summer and staying in shape.
<br> <br>
For the occasional bike race or running race, what's the problem with riding two abreast?  Perhaps they should have obtained a city permit to close the road down completely, which often happens.  Then what would you have done?
<br> <br>
Also, as a cyclist (and motorist) I can attest that MOST drivers are courteous and give me plenty of space when they pass.  I also try to stay to the right wherever practical.  However, a surprisingly high minority percentage of drivers blast by me like I don't exist.  I honestly don't think they noticed me.  A very small minority of drivers will actively try to harass me.  Often also, there will be road debris or poor pavement at the edge of the road.  It may not even be visible to a driver, but it will render the right edge virtually unusable for a cyclist.  It is safe, reasonable, and perfectly legal (here anyway, check your driving code) for a cyclist to venture as far into the lane as is needed to ride safely.  Just because it seems to YOU that it's unreasonable doesn't mean that you're right.  You can't necessarily see the road conditions as well as the cyclist, or from the same point of view.
<br> <br>
There are poor cyclists out there, just as there are poor drivers.  That doesn't mean that they should not be respected, though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you get upset at runners during a running race ?
We drove by a bunch of runners during a race yesterday .
We slowed down , waited until we could respectfully and safely pass each runner , and then went by .
It took up an extra 30 seconds of my day , maybe .
However , we were the losers in the car while they were the people out enjoying the summer and staying in shape .
For the occasional bike race or running race , what 's the problem with riding two abreast ?
Perhaps they should have obtained a city permit to close the road down completely , which often happens .
Then what would you have done ?
Also , as a cyclist ( and motorist ) I can attest that MOST drivers are courteous and give me plenty of space when they pass .
I also try to stay to the right wherever practical .
However , a surprisingly high minority percentage of drivers blast by me like I do n't exist .
I honestly do n't think they noticed me .
A very small minority of drivers will actively try to harass me .
Often also , there will be road debris or poor pavement at the edge of the road .
It may not even be visible to a driver , but it will render the right edge virtually unusable for a cyclist .
It is safe , reasonable , and perfectly legal ( here anyway , check your driving code ) for a cyclist to venture as far into the lane as is needed to ride safely .
Just because it seems to YOU that it 's unreasonable does n't mean that you 're right .
You ca n't necessarily see the road conditions as well as the cyclist , or from the same point of view .
There are poor cyclists out there , just as there are poor drivers .
That does n't mean that they should not be respected , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you get upset at runners during a running race?
We drove by a bunch of runners during a race yesterday.
We slowed down, waited until we could respectfully and safely pass each runner, and then went by.
It took up an extra 30 seconds of my day, maybe.
However, we were the losers in the car while they were the people out enjoying the summer and staying in shape.
For the occasional bike race or running race, what's the problem with riding two abreast?
Perhaps they should have obtained a city permit to close the road down completely, which often happens.
Then what would you have done?
Also, as a cyclist (and motorist) I can attest that MOST drivers are courteous and give me plenty of space when they pass.
I also try to stay to the right wherever practical.
However, a surprisingly high minority percentage of drivers blast by me like I don't exist.
I honestly don't think they noticed me.
A very small minority of drivers will actively try to harass me.
Often also, there will be road debris or poor pavement at the edge of the road.
It may not even be visible to a driver, but it will render the right edge virtually unusable for a cyclist.
It is safe, reasonable, and perfectly legal (here anyway, check your driving code) for a cyclist to venture as far into the lane as is needed to ride safely.
Just because it seems to YOU that it's unreasonable doesn't mean that you're right.
You can't necessarily see the road conditions as well as the cyclist, or from the same point of view.
There are poor cyclists out there, just as there are poor drivers.
That doesn't mean that they should not be respected, though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28561901</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246564080000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Part of the problem there is that bikes are specifically prohibited from the interstate.  Instead you are supposed to use an alternate route.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Part of the problem there is that bikes are specifically prohibited from the interstate .
Instead you are supposed to use an alternate route .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Part of the problem there is that bikes are specifically prohibited from the interstate.
Instead you are supposed to use an alternate route.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557905</id>
	<title>Non sequitur</title>
	<author>jasper\_amsterdam</author>
	<datestamp>1246550220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the article: "new bike-lane inhibition is promoted by arguments on a legislative level, such as one in San Francisco that accuses the city&#226;(TM)s large bicycle population of creating more pollution than automobiles because they supposedly impede the flow of traffic." Oh, right; and they would impede traffic MORE if they had dedicated bike lanes?! Visit Amsterdam sometimes, and see how it's done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : " new bike-lane inhibition is promoted by arguments on a legislative level , such as one in San Francisco that accuses the city   ( TM ) s large bicycle population of creating more pollution than automobiles because they supposedly impede the flow of traffic .
" Oh , right ; and they would impede traffic MORE if they had dedicated bike lanes ? !
Visit Amsterdam sometimes , and see how it 's done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article: "new bike-lane inhibition is promoted by arguments on a legislative level, such as one in San Francisco that accuses the cityâ(TM)s large bicycle population of creating more pollution than automobiles because they supposedly impede the flow of traffic.
" Oh, right; and they would impede traffic MORE if they had dedicated bike lanes?!
Visit Amsterdam sometimes, and see how it's done.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555941</id>
	<title>Actually, their premise is wrong</title>
	<author>lisp-hacker</author>
	<datestamp>1246538760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The inventors of this projector thingy suggest, that a bike lane protects you in shared trafficspace,
when there is no extra bike lane on the street.
</p><p>
Contrary to public belief and repeated myths there is scientific evidence, that sharing the road with
the cars is definitely safer than cycling at the very right edge or even on a separate lane.
This is especially because there is no absolute separation: at every crossing you "meet" the cars again
and they will hardly recognize you on the bike lane.
</p><p>
Instead of strange devices I would invest in strong LED lights with hub generator that make you seen
in darkness.
</p><p>

Refs:
<a href="http://www.cyclecraft.co.uk/digest/research.html" title="cyclecraft.co.uk" rel="nofollow"> English overview</a> [cyclecraft.co.uk] <br>

<a href="http://www.erika-ciesla.privat.t-online.de/radweg-sicher.html" title="t-online.de" rel="nofollow"> German quick risk picture</a> [t-online.de]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The inventors of this projector thingy suggest , that a bike lane protects you in shared trafficspace , when there is no extra bike lane on the street .
Contrary to public belief and repeated myths there is scientific evidence , that sharing the road with the cars is definitely safer than cycling at the very right edge or even on a separate lane .
This is especially because there is no absolute separation : at every crossing you " meet " the cars again and they will hardly recognize you on the bike lane .
Instead of strange devices I would invest in strong LED lights with hub generator that make you seen in darkness .
Refs : English overview [ cyclecraft.co.uk ] German quick risk picture [ t-online.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The inventors of this projector thingy suggest, that a bike lane protects you in shared trafficspace,
when there is no extra bike lane on the street.
Contrary to public belief and repeated myths there is scientific evidence, that sharing the road with
the cars is definitely safer than cycling at the very right edge or even on a separate lane.
This is especially because there is no absolute separation: at every crossing you "meet" the cars again
and they will hardly recognize you on the bike lane.
Instead of strange devices I would invest in strong LED lights with hub generator that make you seen
in darkness.
Refs:
 English overview [cyclecraft.co.uk] 

 German quick risk picture [t-online.de]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555593</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246534200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Biking side by side is legal in many places, such as California. If you can't pass safely, you shouldn't pass. It's the same as if there's a slow-moving car there.</p><p>If you get into an accident trying to pass a bicyclist in an unsafe way, then I've got no sympathy for you. Just the poor fool who you ran into. I hope they take away your license.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Biking side by side is legal in many places , such as California .
If you ca n't pass safely , you should n't pass .
It 's the same as if there 's a slow-moving car there.If you get into an accident trying to pass a bicyclist in an unsafe way , then I 've got no sympathy for you .
Just the poor fool who you ran into .
I hope they take away your license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Biking side by side is legal in many places, such as California.
If you can't pass safely, you shouldn't pass.
It's the same as if there's a slow-moving car there.If you get into an accident trying to pass a bicyclist in an unsafe way, then I've got no sympathy for you.
Just the poor fool who you ran into.
I hope they take away your license.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556113</id>
	<title>Hats</title>
	<author>doas777</author>
	<datestamp>1246540500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if this works, then so does my "Designated Smoking Area" hat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if this works , then so does my " Designated Smoking Area " hat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if this works, then so does my "Designated Smoking Area" hat.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28557695</id>
	<title>Re:In NYC, we have less tolerance...for cars that</title>
	<author>phantomcircuit</author>
	<datestamp>1246549320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You said it yourself NYC is the most crowded place (in the US at least).  NYC is unique, there is a functioning large scale subway system, the entire island of Manhattan is only 2 miles wide, NYC is uniquely suited to pedestrian and bike traffic.</p><p>Unfortunately for the rest of the country bicycles more often than not have a combined negative effect. Most urban area's around the country have little residential traffic and most of the commuters are coming from widely dispersed areas.  Widely disbursed commuters means that mass transit is essentially impossible.  The Bay Area has one of the best mass transit systems (especially when you consider that most of the commuters are commuting to san francisco from places across the bay). But if you have work at 9am you would still need to be catching the bus at 7:45am to guarantee you get to work by 9am, and that's if you're in the city i can barely imagine relying on mass transit to commute from a place farther away.</p><p>Bikes and cars should not be sharing the same roads.  It's dangerous for all parties involved.  I know that a lot of the bicycle riders want to believe that everybody could ride a bike everywhere, but it's just not true; i would contend that the vast majority of people could not physically bike to work unless that was time they were paid too bike.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You said it yourself NYC is the most crowded place ( in the US at least ) .
NYC is unique , there is a functioning large scale subway system , the entire island of Manhattan is only 2 miles wide , NYC is uniquely suited to pedestrian and bike traffic.Unfortunately for the rest of the country bicycles more often than not have a combined negative effect .
Most urban area 's around the country have little residential traffic and most of the commuters are coming from widely dispersed areas .
Widely disbursed commuters means that mass transit is essentially impossible .
The Bay Area has one of the best mass transit systems ( especially when you consider that most of the commuters are commuting to san francisco from places across the bay ) .
But if you have work at 9am you would still need to be catching the bus at 7 : 45am to guarantee you get to work by 9am , and that 's if you 're in the city i can barely imagine relying on mass transit to commute from a place farther away.Bikes and cars should not be sharing the same roads .
It 's dangerous for all parties involved .
I know that a lot of the bicycle riders want to believe that everybody could ride a bike everywhere , but it 's just not true ; i would contend that the vast majority of people could not physically bike to work unless that was time they were paid too bike .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You said it yourself NYC is the most crowded place (in the US at least).
NYC is unique, there is a functioning large scale subway system, the entire island of Manhattan is only 2 miles wide, NYC is uniquely suited to pedestrian and bike traffic.Unfortunately for the rest of the country bicycles more often than not have a combined negative effect.
Most urban area's around the country have little residential traffic and most of the commuters are coming from widely dispersed areas.
Widely disbursed commuters means that mass transit is essentially impossible.
The Bay Area has one of the best mass transit systems (especially when you consider that most of the commuters are commuting to san francisco from places across the bay).
But if you have work at 9am you would still need to be catching the bus at 7:45am to guarantee you get to work by 9am, and that's if you're in the city i can barely imagine relying on mass transit to commute from a place farther away.Bikes and cars should not be sharing the same roads.
It's dangerous for all parties involved.
I know that a lot of the bicycle riders want to believe that everybody could ride a bike everywhere, but it's just not true; i would contend that the vast majority of people could not physically bike to work unless that was time they were paid too bike.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555027</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Renraku</author>
	<datestamp>1246525980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I understand logic from both sides.</p><p>The cyclists have every right to be on the road where it isn't specifically prohibited.  The motorists have the same right.</p><p>However, it's just not right to intentionally block traffic just because you can legally be on the road.  Technically I could walk in the middle of a lane if I wanted to, most areas don't have laws preventing that.  Not to say that a cop wouldn't tell me to knock it off when they saw me, but if a car hit me for whatever reason, it would automatically be their fault and I would get a huge settlement out of it.</p><p>If traffic laws were enforced on bicyclers as well, there wouldn't be much of an issue.  Those bikers would be guilty of creating a dangerous situation or obstructing the flow of traffic.  Likewise, jackasses in cars that open their doors to try to hassle the riders could be arrested for the same reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I understand logic from both sides.The cyclists have every right to be on the road where it is n't specifically prohibited .
The motorists have the same right.However , it 's just not right to intentionally block traffic just because you can legally be on the road .
Technically I could walk in the middle of a lane if I wanted to , most areas do n't have laws preventing that .
Not to say that a cop would n't tell me to knock it off when they saw me , but if a car hit me for whatever reason , it would automatically be their fault and I would get a huge settlement out of it.If traffic laws were enforced on bicyclers as well , there would n't be much of an issue .
Those bikers would be guilty of creating a dangerous situation or obstructing the flow of traffic .
Likewise , jackasses in cars that open their doors to try to hassle the riders could be arrested for the same reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I understand logic from both sides.The cyclists have every right to be on the road where it isn't specifically prohibited.
The motorists have the same right.However, it's just not right to intentionally block traffic just because you can legally be on the road.
Technically I could walk in the middle of a lane if I wanted to, most areas don't have laws preventing that.
Not to say that a cop wouldn't tell me to knock it off when they saw me, but if a car hit me for whatever reason, it would automatically be their fault and I would get a huge settlement out of it.If traffic laws were enforced on bicyclers as well, there wouldn't be much of an issue.
Those bikers would be guilty of creating a dangerous situation or obstructing the flow of traffic.
Likewise, jackasses in cars that open their doors to try to hassle the riders could be arrested for the same reason.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555117</id>
	<title>Gonna be a tough sell..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246527300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Inventor: Hey, bicycle enthusiasts! Want to buy a neat safety device?</p><p>Cyclists: Sure! We are all about safety, look at the styrofoam on our heads and these lycra shorts! We care about safety because many of us are killed or injured in the most baffling circumstances.</p><p>Inventor: Ah, ok! This is a device that projects a cycle lane onto the road so that traffic behind you is made more aware of your presence on the road.</p><p>Cyclists: 'Be-hind'? What is 'be-hind'? Is it something to do with my shorts?</p><p>Inventor: Not shorts related. Behind you. To your rear. The traffic coming up behind you.</p><p>Cyclists: Traffic coming up behind us? What are you talking about?</p><p>Inventor: You know, when you look behind you and..</p><p>Cyclists: LOOK BEHIND? Are you crazy? Your words don't make any sense.</p><p>Inventor: Well, when you turn your head..</p><p>Cyclists: TURN the HEAD? You are nuts! The head doesn't turn! The head looks down at the front wheel spindle. You are a crazy man!</p><p>Darwin: Dude, you are wasting your time with those cyclists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Inventor : Hey , bicycle enthusiasts !
Want to buy a neat safety device ? Cyclists : Sure !
We are all about safety , look at the styrofoam on our heads and these lycra shorts !
We care about safety because many of us are killed or injured in the most baffling circumstances.Inventor : Ah , ok !
This is a device that projects a cycle lane onto the road so that traffic behind you is made more aware of your presence on the road.Cyclists : 'Be-hind ' ?
What is 'be-hind ' ?
Is it something to do with my shorts ? Inventor : Not shorts related .
Behind you .
To your rear .
The traffic coming up behind you.Cyclists : Traffic coming up behind us ?
What are you talking about ? Inventor : You know , when you look behind you and..Cyclists : LOOK BEHIND ?
Are you crazy ?
Your words do n't make any sense.Inventor : Well , when you turn your head..Cyclists : TURN the HEAD ?
You are nuts !
The head does n't turn !
The head looks down at the front wheel spindle .
You are a crazy man ! Darwin : Dude , you are wasting your time with those cyclists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Inventor: Hey, bicycle enthusiasts!
Want to buy a neat safety device?Cyclists: Sure!
We are all about safety, look at the styrofoam on our heads and these lycra shorts!
We care about safety because many of us are killed or injured in the most baffling circumstances.Inventor: Ah, ok!
This is a device that projects a cycle lane onto the road so that traffic behind you is made more aware of your presence on the road.Cyclists: 'Be-hind'?
What is 'be-hind'?
Is it something to do with my shorts?Inventor: Not shorts related.
Behind you.
To your rear.
The traffic coming up behind you.Cyclists: Traffic coming up behind us?
What are you talking about?Inventor: You know, when you look behind you and..Cyclists: LOOK BEHIND?
Are you crazy?
Your words don't make any sense.Inventor: Well, when you turn your head..Cyclists: TURN the HEAD?
You are nuts!
The head doesn't turn!
The head looks down at the front wheel spindle.
You are a crazy man!Darwin: Dude, you are wasting your time with those cyclists.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28560963</id>
	<title>Re:Funny ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246561020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For everyone pointing out that it is illegal to ride on the interstate: he is probably talking about Alcoa Highway or some other such major road.  It isn't illegal to ride there (and it isn't an interstate), it's just extremely dangerous.  I've ridden on it, too, and it's the only place in Knoxville where I'll ride on the shoulder instead of in the road.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For everyone pointing out that it is illegal to ride on the interstate : he is probably talking about Alcoa Highway or some other such major road .
It is n't illegal to ride there ( and it is n't an interstate ) , it 's just extremely dangerous .
I 've ridden on it , too , and it 's the only place in Knoxville where I 'll ride on the shoulder instead of in the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For everyone pointing out that it is illegal to ride on the interstate: he is probably talking about Alcoa Highway or some other such major road.
It isn't illegal to ride there (and it isn't an interstate), it's just extremely dangerous.
I've ridden on it, too, and it's the only place in Knoxville where I'll ride on the shoulder instead of in the road.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555073</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28555983</id>
	<title>" ...catch a driver's attention."</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1246539180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And while the driver is staring at the pretty lights he runs over the cyclist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And while the driver is staring at the pretty lights he runs over the cyclist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And while the driver is staring at the pretty lights he runs over the cyclist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28556301</id>
	<title>Re:Cities breed misplaced self-righteousness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246542000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The city cyclists get out there like there's something to prove, riding 4 feet out into the lane, often 2 abreast for no reason. </i></p><p>In every jurisdiction I've lived in, cyclists are not allowed to travel 2 abreast. A group of cyclists are required to travel single-file.</p><p>Have the local cops looked into this money-making opportunity?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The city cyclists get out there like there 's something to prove , riding 4 feet out into the lane , often 2 abreast for no reason .
In every jurisdiction I 've lived in , cyclists are not allowed to travel 2 abreast .
A group of cyclists are required to travel single-file.Have the local cops looked into this money-making opportunity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The city cyclists get out there like there's something to prove, riding 4 feet out into the lane, often 2 abreast for no reason.
In every jurisdiction I've lived in, cyclists are not allowed to travel 2 abreast.
A group of cyclists are required to travel single-file.Have the local cops looked into this money-making opportunity?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_2255234.28554485</parent>
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