<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_01_1457243</id>
	<title>GPS-Based System For Driving Tax Being Field Tested</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1246462620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Apparently, since gas consumption is going down and fuel efficient cars are becoming more popular, the government is looking into a new form of taxation to create revenue for transportation projects. This new system is a 'by-the-mile tax,' <a href="http://www.kansascity.com/business/story/1299981.html">requiring GPS in cars so it can track the mileage</a>. Once a month, the data gets uploaded to a billing center and you are conveniently charged for how much you drove. 'A federal commission, after a two-year study, concluded earlier this year that the road tax was the "best path forward" to keep revenues flowing to highway and transportation projects, and could be an important new tool to help manage traffic and relieve congestion. ... The commission pegged 2020 as the year for the federal fuel tax, currently 18.5 cents a gallon, to be phased out and replaced by a road tax. One estimate of a road tax that would cover the current federal and state fuel taxes is 1 to 2 cents per mile for cars and light trucks.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Apparently , since gas consumption is going down and fuel efficient cars are becoming more popular , the government is looking into a new form of taxation to create revenue for transportation projects .
This new system is a 'by-the-mile tax, ' requiring GPS in cars so it can track the mileage .
Once a month , the data gets uploaded to a billing center and you are conveniently charged for how much you drove .
'A federal commission , after a two-year study , concluded earlier this year that the road tax was the " best path forward " to keep revenues flowing to highway and transportation projects , and could be an important new tool to help manage traffic and relieve congestion .
... The commission pegged 2020 as the year for the federal fuel tax , currently 18.5 cents a gallon , to be phased out and replaced by a road tax .
One estimate of a road tax that would cover the current federal and state fuel taxes is 1 to 2 cents per mile for cars and light trucks .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Apparently, since gas consumption is going down and fuel efficient cars are becoming more popular, the government is looking into a new form of taxation to create revenue for transportation projects.
This new system is a 'by-the-mile tax,' requiring GPS in cars so it can track the mileage.
Once a month, the data gets uploaded to a billing center and you are conveniently charged for how much you drove.
'A federal commission, after a two-year study, concluded earlier this year that the road tax was the "best path forward" to keep revenues flowing to highway and transportation projects, and could be an important new tool to help manage traffic and relieve congestion.
... The commission pegged 2020 as the year for the federal fuel tax, currently 18.5 cents a gallon, to be phased out and replaced by a road tax.
One estimate of a road tax that would cover the current federal and state fuel taxes is 1 to 2 cents per mile for cars and light trucks.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543395</id>
	<title>Positive Change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes we can!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes we can !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes we can!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543595</id>
	<title>It will be both taxes</title>
	<author>kperrier</author>
	<datestamp>1246467720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no way in hell that the government will remove any gas taxes, they will just add the per mile tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no way in hell that the government will remove any gas taxes , they will just add the per mile tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no way in hell that the government will remove any gas taxes, they will just add the per mile tax.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543607</id>
	<title>Re:At first I cringed.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Err - Think your sums are wrong - @ the moment you are paying 18.5 cents for each gallon this would mean 18.5/30 = 0.6166666666666667 per mile<br>If you pay 1 cent / mile this would equate to 30 cents for every gallon<br>If you pay 2 cents / mile this would equate to 60 cents for every gallon.</p><p>A big increase in either case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Err - Think your sums are wrong - @ the moment you are paying 18.5 cents for each gallon this would mean 18.5/30 = 0.6166666666666667 per mileIf you pay 1 cent / mile this would equate to 30 cents for every gallonIf you pay 2 cents / mile this would equate to 60 cents for every gallon.A big increase in either case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Err - Think your sums are wrong - @ the moment you are paying 18.5 cents for each gallon this would mean 18.5/30 = 0.6166666666666667 per mileIf you pay 1 cent / mile this would equate to 30 cents for every gallonIf you pay 2 cents / mile this would equate to 60 cents for every gallon.A big increase in either case.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543285</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546269</id>
	<title>Re:wtf</title>
	<author>dummondwhu</author>
	<datestamp>1246475460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're not using the highways often, then you're not buying much fuel, and thus you're already not paying much in the way of fuel tax, right?
<br> <br>
Do you use public transportation?  Is that not subsidized with tax dollars?  How much of my tax dollars go to networks of buses spewing diesel exhaust that I'm probably never going to ride?  We're all in this together, we just use different facets of the same infrastructure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're not using the highways often , then you 're not buying much fuel , and thus you 're already not paying much in the way of fuel tax , right ?
Do you use public transportation ?
Is that not subsidized with tax dollars ?
How much of my tax dollars go to networks of buses spewing diesel exhaust that I 'm probably never going to ride ?
We 're all in this together , we just use different facets of the same infrastructure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're not using the highways often, then you're not buying much fuel, and thus you're already not paying much in the way of fuel tax, right?
Do you use public transportation?
Is that not subsidized with tax dollars?
How much of my tax dollars go to networks of buses spewing diesel exhaust that I'm probably never going to ride?
We're all in this together, we just use different facets of the same infrastructure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543625</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544295</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246469700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ahh, the liberal mentality of wanting to force other people into their way of life and thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahh , the liberal mentality of wanting to force other people into their way of life and thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahh, the liberal mentality of wanting to force other people into their way of life and thinking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544165</id>
	<title>Re:This is (as usual) bullshit</title>
	<author>mikael</author>
	<datestamp>1246469340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thin kof the amount of mail that gets lost when people change addresses - that would create another set of bills that would remain unpaid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thin kof the amount of mail that gets lost when people change addresses - that would create another set of bills that would remain unpaid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thin kof the amount of mail that gets lost when people change addresses - that would create another set of bills that would remain unpaid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543603</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545133</id>
	<title>Re:Great Idea</title>
	<author>\_avs\_007</author>
	<datestamp>1246472160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>they can automatically charge tolls and even issue speeding tickets.</i> <br> <br>
Not using GPS they can't... (At least not reliably by itself) My GPS constantly gets confused on the freeway near my house, because there is a freeway-bypass that parallels the freeway. (It's actually the "old' freeway). In many places it is separated from the main freeway with nothing more than a concrete barrier... However, the speed limit on this bypass is 35, the speed limit of the main freeway is 65. If the GPS thinks you are on the bypass it will think you are speeding...<br> <br>
Likewise, there are many subdivisions built on arterial bypasses that are very similar. Side street parallels main street, with usually a simple curb that separates the street, sometimes small strip of grass/trees... If GPS thinks you are on the side-street, it will think speed limit is 25 instead of 45.</htmltext>
<tokenext>they can automatically charge tolls and even issue speeding tickets .
Not using GPS they ca n't... ( At least not reliably by itself ) My GPS constantly gets confused on the freeway near my house , because there is a freeway-bypass that parallels the freeway .
( It 's actually the " old ' freeway ) .
In many places it is separated from the main freeway with nothing more than a concrete barrier... However , the speed limit on this bypass is 35 , the speed limit of the main freeway is 65 .
If the GPS thinks you are on the bypass it will think you are speeding.. . Likewise , there are many subdivisions built on arterial bypasses that are very similar .
Side street parallels main street , with usually a simple curb that separates the street , sometimes small strip of grass/trees... If GPS thinks you are on the side-street , it will think speed limit is 25 instead of 45 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they can automatically charge tolls and even issue speeding tickets.
Not using GPS they can't... (At least not reliably by itself) My GPS constantly gets confused on the freeway near my house, because there is a freeway-bypass that parallels the freeway.
(It's actually the "old' freeway).
In many places it is separated from the main freeway with nothing more than a concrete barrier... However, the speed limit on this bypass is 35, the speed limit of the main freeway is 65.
If the GPS thinks you are on the bypass it will think you are speeding... 
Likewise, there are many subdivisions built on arterial bypasses that are very similar.
Side street parallels main street, with usually a simple curb that separates the street, sometimes small strip of grass/trees... If GPS thinks you are on the side-street, it will think speed limit is 25 instead of 45.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544201</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>LuminaireX</author>
	<datestamp>1246469460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then they just mandate the use of GPS on bicycles.  In urban areas they use the road too</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then they just mandate the use of GPS on bicycles .
In urban areas they use the road too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then they just mandate the use of GPS on bicycles.
In urban areas they use the road too</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546897</id>
	<title>Hackers will find a way around it,plain and simple</title>
	<author>pRtkL xLr8r</author>
	<datestamp>1246477500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just put a new tax on car owners.  If you own 1 car, you are taxed very lightly.  If you own say 3 cars, the tax starts getting heavier...tax the bastards that have a fleet of cars in a warehouse somewhere (and I'm not talking about dealerships).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just put a new tax on car owners .
If you own 1 car , you are taxed very lightly .
If you own say 3 cars , the tax starts getting heavier...tax the bastards that have a fleet of cars in a warehouse somewhere ( and I 'm not talking about dealerships ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just put a new tax on car owners.
If you own 1 car, you are taxed very lightly.
If you own say 3 cars, the tax starts getting heavier...tax the bastards that have a fleet of cars in a warehouse somewhere (and I'm not talking about dealerships).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545501</id>
	<title>Slick way to increase fuel tax!</title>
	<author>micron</author>
	<datestamp>1246473240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Currently, the fed tax on fuel is $0.18 (according to the link). Making the tax $.01 to $.02 cents a mile, and assuming that a car can get anywhere from 18 to 45 mpg, this makes the tax range effectively $0.18 to $.90 per gallon!</p><p>A few interesting points here:<br>1) Less fuel efficient cars will be less tax per gallon of gas consumed.<br>2) I thought there would be no new taxes on folks making less that $250,000 a year!<br>3) What will the states do to jump on this hidden tax inrease bandwagon?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Currently , the fed tax on fuel is $ 0.18 ( according to the link ) .
Making the tax $ .01 to $ .02 cents a mile , and assuming that a car can get anywhere from 18 to 45 mpg , this makes the tax range effectively $ 0.18 to $ .90 per gallon ! A few interesting points here : 1 ) Less fuel efficient cars will be less tax per gallon of gas consumed.2 ) I thought there would be no new taxes on folks making less that $ 250,000 a year ! 3 ) What will the states do to jump on this hidden tax inrease bandwagon ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Currently, the fed tax on fuel is $0.18 (according to the link).
Making the tax $.01 to $.02 cents a mile, and assuming that a car can get anywhere from 18 to 45 mpg, this makes the tax range effectively $0.18 to $.90 per gallon!A few interesting points here:1) Less fuel efficient cars will be less tax per gallon of gas consumed.2) I thought there would be no new taxes on folks making less that $250,000 a year!3) What will the states do to jump on this hidden tax inrease bandwagon?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545937</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>zehaeva</author>
	<datestamp>1246474560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My problem with this is if i spend a good bit of time driving in say Canada, does that mean I'm being taxed by America for driving on Canadian roads? Do I file for an exemption? How do I prove it? My first thought was to check the odometer too, but its just a problematic as well i think.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My problem with this is if i spend a good bit of time driving in say Canada , does that mean I 'm being taxed by America for driving on Canadian roads ?
Do I file for an exemption ?
How do I prove it ?
My first thought was to check the odometer too , but its just a problematic as well i think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My problem with this is if i spend a good bit of time driving in say Canada, does that mean I'm being taxed by America for driving on Canadian roads?
Do I file for an exemption?
How do I prove it?
My first thought was to check the odometer too, but its just a problematic as well i think.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543883</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Caste11an</author>
	<datestamp>1246468620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>My wife works 20 miles away from our home and the only viable route to her workplace is via a freeway. I work 7 miles from our home and while I could ride a bicycle there are two things that prevent it: (1) it's unbearably hot an muggy during the summer months, and (2) even my local roads which don't require me to use the freeway are extremely dangerous -- I've never before lived in a place with such angry drivers.

I couldn't agree with you more that finding alternative ways to encourage the populace to conserve is a good thing, but a tax of this nature just punishes those of us who do not have alternatives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife works 20 miles away from our home and the only viable route to her workplace is via a freeway .
I work 7 miles from our home and while I could ride a bicycle there are two things that prevent it : ( 1 ) it 's unbearably hot an muggy during the summer months , and ( 2 ) even my local roads which do n't require me to use the freeway are extremely dangerous -- I 've never before lived in a place with such angry drivers .
I could n't agree with you more that finding alternative ways to encourage the populace to conserve is a good thing , but a tax of this nature just punishes those of us who do not have alternatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife works 20 miles away from our home and the only viable route to her workplace is via a freeway.
I work 7 miles from our home and while I could ride a bicycle there are two things that prevent it: (1) it's unbearably hot an muggy during the summer months, and (2) even my local roads which don't require me to use the freeway are extremely dangerous -- I've never before lived in a place with such angry drivers.
I couldn't agree with you more that finding alternative ways to encourage the populace to conserve is a good thing, but a tax of this nature just punishes those of us who do not have alternatives.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545601</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Spy Hunter</author>
	<datestamp>1246473540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't worry, DoD will be exempt, along with elected officials (for "security"). We couldn't have mere <i>citizens</i> finding out what their government is doing, now, could we?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't worry , DoD will be exempt , along with elected officials ( for " security " ) .
We could n't have mere citizens finding out what their government is doing , now , could we ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't worry, DoD will be exempt, along with elected officials (for "security").
We couldn't have mere citizens finding out what their government is doing, now, could we?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543425</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543917</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246468680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I already moderated and had to post as AC.  But what I suspect is that they also see that over the next 10 - 15 years there is going to be a shift in the technology used to power cars from gasoline to electric for a lot of people.  I drive less than 30 miles day and could get by on an electric car on most days and then have a gas powered hybrid car for longer trips.  (it's 210 miles from my front door to my dad's house, just outside of 1 electric charge these days.)</p><p>Although I could see them taking away the 18.5 cent gas tax for "roads" and replace it with a 50-cents per gallon CO2 tax or something for "emissions controls" plus the mileage tax, which will go towards "roads".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I already moderated and had to post as AC .
But what I suspect is that they also see that over the next 10 - 15 years there is going to be a shift in the technology used to power cars from gasoline to electric for a lot of people .
I drive less than 30 miles day and could get by on an electric car on most days and then have a gas powered hybrid car for longer trips .
( it 's 210 miles from my front door to my dad 's house , just outside of 1 electric charge these days .
) Although I could see them taking away the 18.5 cent gas tax for " roads " and replace it with a 50-cents per gallon CO2 tax or something for " emissions controls " plus the mileage tax , which will go towards " roads " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I already moderated and had to post as AC.
But what I suspect is that they also see that over the next 10 - 15 years there is going to be a shift in the technology used to power cars from gasoline to electric for a lot of people.
I drive less than 30 miles day and could get by on an electric car on most days and then have a gas powered hybrid car for longer trips.
(it's 210 miles from my front door to my dad's house, just outside of 1 electric charge these days.
)Although I could see them taking away the 18.5 cent gas tax for "roads" and replace it with a 50-cents per gallon CO2 tax or something for "emissions controls" plus the mileage tax, which will go towards "roads".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543333</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543307</id>
	<title>GPS Popping Good Time</title>
	<author>brainboyz</author>
	<datestamp>1246466940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mix one part electrode on the antenna with one part on the ground body. Add liberal amounts of high voltage at low current. Enjoy your GPS-free vehicle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mix one part electrode on the antenna with one part on the ground body .
Add liberal amounts of high voltage at low current .
Enjoy your GPS-free vehicle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mix one part electrode on the antenna with one part on the ground body.
Add liberal amounts of high voltage at low current.
Enjoy your GPS-free vehicle.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545199</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246472340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The idea is that it eliminates the fuel tax. It is being tested in Oregon and when you hit the pump the state tax is removed from your bill, the mileage is added (usually less that fuel tax)</p><p>The problem with odometer check is that each state has different tax and each state wants to collect it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea is that it eliminates the fuel tax .
It is being tested in Oregon and when you hit the pump the state tax is removed from your bill , the mileage is added ( usually less that fuel tax ) The problem with odometer check is that each state has different tax and each state wants to collect it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea is that it eliminates the fuel tax.
It is being tested in Oregon and when you hit the pump the state tax is removed from your bill, the mileage is added (usually less that fuel tax)The problem with odometer check is that each state has different tax and each state wants to collect it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546781</id>
	<title>Re:It will be both taxes</title>
	<author>iamangry</author>
	<datestamp>1246477080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, this is a way to allow the federal government to install a tracking device on your car under the guise of "wanting to tax the people based on how much they use the roads to work to create a better highway system for all (insert smiling children and puppies here)."  But make no mistake, this government wants to know where you're at.  I know this sounds like crazy talk because were talking about America, but how else can you explain the use of a system DESIGNED TO LOCATE AND TRACK THINGS?????  No bureaucrat is installing one of those on MY car!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , this is a way to allow the federal government to install a tracking device on your car under the guise of " wanting to tax the people based on how much they use the roads to work to create a better highway system for all ( insert smiling children and puppies here ) .
" But make no mistake , this government wants to know where you 're at .
I know this sounds like crazy talk because were talking about America , but how else can you explain the use of a system DESIGNED TO LOCATE AND TRACK THINGS ? ? ? ? ?
No bureaucrat is installing one of those on MY car !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, this is a way to allow the federal government to install a tracking device on your car under the guise of "wanting to tax the people based on how much they use the roads to work to create a better highway system for all (insert smiling children and puppies here).
"  But make no mistake, this government wants to know where you're at.
I know this sounds like crazy talk because were talking about America, but how else can you explain the use of a system DESIGNED TO LOCATE AND TRACK THINGS?????
No bureaucrat is installing one of those on MY car!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543595</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28550369</id>
	<title>Gas tax is the fairest of all</title>
	<author>hzhu</author>
	<datestamp>1246445280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's an argument to show that gas tax beats the alternative forms of transportation tax by a big margin.<br><br>Following are three potential revenue sources for road transportation:<br>1. Vehicle registration.<br>2. Mileage tracking / toll<br>3. Fuel tax.<br><br>Which one is the best?    What is a fair standard to compare them?   I think we should examine why the tax is needed in the first place, and which aspects of driving are relevant to this need.  Let's see:<br><br>1. Road construction and maintenance.   It mainly depends on mileage driven and vehicle weight.<br>2. Pollution cost.   It mainly depends on mileage driven and inefficiency of the vehicle.<br>3. Strategic cost of oil source (such as soldiers in foreign countries).  It mainly depends on the amount of fuel consumed.<br>4. Paper work for ownership.   It is essentially per vehicle.<br>5. Parking space.  It is roughly proportional to number of trips and size of vehicle.<br><br>Item 4 is the only one that should be addressed by vehicle tax.  All other items are nicely represented by gas tax.  For these items, either per vehicle or per mile taxes would be grossly biased.<br><br>Are there more important reasons to tax road transportation?   Are there fairer taxation methods?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's an argument to show that gas tax beats the alternative forms of transportation tax by a big margin.Following are three potential revenue sources for road transportation : 1 .
Vehicle registration.2 .
Mileage tracking / toll3 .
Fuel tax.Which one is the best ?
What is a fair standard to compare them ?
I think we should examine why the tax is needed in the first place , and which aspects of driving are relevant to this need .
Let 's see : 1 .
Road construction and maintenance .
It mainly depends on mileage driven and vehicle weight.2 .
Pollution cost .
It mainly depends on mileage driven and inefficiency of the vehicle.3 .
Strategic cost of oil source ( such as soldiers in foreign countries ) .
It mainly depends on the amount of fuel consumed.4 .
Paper work for ownership .
It is essentially per vehicle.5 .
Parking space .
It is roughly proportional to number of trips and size of vehicle.Item 4 is the only one that should be addressed by vehicle tax .
All other items are nicely represented by gas tax .
For these items , either per vehicle or per mile taxes would be grossly biased.Are there more important reasons to tax road transportation ?
Are there fairer taxation methods ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's an argument to show that gas tax beats the alternative forms of transportation tax by a big margin.Following are three potential revenue sources for road transportation:1.
Vehicle registration.2.
Mileage tracking / toll3.
Fuel tax.Which one is the best?
What is a fair standard to compare them?
I think we should examine why the tax is needed in the first place, and which aspects of driving are relevant to this need.
Let's see:1.
Road construction and maintenance.
It mainly depends on mileage driven and vehicle weight.2.
Pollution cost.
It mainly depends on mileage driven and inefficiency of the vehicle.3.
Strategic cost of oil source (such as soldiers in foreign countries).
It mainly depends on the amount of fuel consumed.4.
Paper work for ownership.
It is essentially per vehicle.5.
Parking space.
It is roughly proportional to number of trips and size of vehicle.Item 4 is the only one that should be addressed by vehicle tax.
All other items are nicely represented by gas tax.
For these items, either per vehicle or per mile taxes would be grossly biased.Are there more important reasons to tax road transportation?
Are there fairer taxation methods?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543785</id>
	<title>odometers do this for "free"</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1246468260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most states collect odometer date during emission tests, so they already [could] have this data.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most states collect odometer date during emission tests , so they already [ could ] have this data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most states collect odometer date during emission tests, so they already [could] have this data.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28562387</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>gstoddart</author>
	<datestamp>1246565760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I work for the DoD. There are those of us that work on "black" projects that have covert everything, including travel. It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been, either personal or rental, for an enemy agent to exploit.</p></div></blockquote><p>You know, for the rest of us, having the government knowing everywhere you've ever been would be completely intolerable.</p><p>The hell with National Security -- tracking everyone at all times is National Broken.  Unless, you're of the belief that the rest of the citizens should have to give up our privacy but you get a pass -- in which case, you should be fed to a herd of lemmings because you're part of the problem.</p><p>This is a shitty idea from a whole bunch of perspectives.  Identifying an example as silly as being worried about "black" projects is completely missing the point.  Invasive monitoring of your citizenry is <em>not</em> OK -- and this will only get progressively more abused to the point of requiring everyone to have a GPS implant to allow for constant tracking.</p><p>Cheers</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for the DoD .
There are those of us that work on " black " projects that have covert everything , including travel .
It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been , either personal or rental , for an enemy agent to exploit.You know , for the rest of us , having the government knowing everywhere you 've ever been would be completely intolerable.The hell with National Security -- tracking everyone at all times is National Broken .
Unless , you 're of the belief that the rest of the citizens should have to give up our privacy but you get a pass -- in which case , you should be fed to a herd of lemmings because you 're part of the problem.This is a shitty idea from a whole bunch of perspectives .
Identifying an example as silly as being worried about " black " projects is completely missing the point .
Invasive monitoring of your citizenry is not OK -- and this will only get progressively more abused to the point of requiring everyone to have a GPS implant to allow for constant tracking.Cheers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for the DoD.
There are those of us that work on "black" projects that have covert everything, including travel.
It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been, either personal or rental, for an enemy agent to exploit.You know, for the rest of us, having the government knowing everywhere you've ever been would be completely intolerable.The hell with National Security -- tracking everyone at all times is National Broken.
Unless, you're of the belief that the rest of the citizens should have to give up our privacy but you get a pass -- in which case, you should be fed to a herd of lemmings because you're part of the problem.This is a shitty idea from a whole bunch of perspectives.
Identifying an example as silly as being worried about "black" projects is completely missing the point.
Invasive monitoring of your citizenry is not OK -- and this will only get progressively more abused to the point of requiring everyone to have a GPS implant to allow for constant tracking.Cheers
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546673</id>
	<title>Higher Tax == Lower Consumption?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246476660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why not just continue to raise the fuel taxes to generate revenue? That would serve to continue to reduce fuel consumption which would be a good thing.</p></div><p>I keep seeing this argument thrown around. The problem is that people \_need\_ to go to work.</p><p>Sure, you may cut down on some vacation travel (even that is debatable, because if you're spending $100/night in a hotel, what's an extra $5 in fuel?).</p><p>You've essentially created a tax on the poor. People for whom buying a new, more efficient car isn't an option.</p><p>Anyone have any studies to this affect?<br>(and I don't mean just an analysis of recent trends, because a shitty economy and high gas prices would throw off any statistics. If no one is working then no one is driving to work or taking vacations or buying shipped goods.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just continue to raise the fuel taxes to generate revenue ?
That would serve to continue to reduce fuel consumption which would be a good thing.I keep seeing this argument thrown around .
The problem is that people \ _need \ _ to go to work.Sure , you may cut down on some vacation travel ( even that is debatable , because if you 're spending $ 100/night in a hotel , what 's an extra $ 5 in fuel ?
) .You 've essentially created a tax on the poor .
People for whom buying a new , more efficient car is n't an option.Anyone have any studies to this affect ?
( and I do n't mean just an analysis of recent trends , because a shitty economy and high gas prices would throw off any statistics .
If no one is working then no one is driving to work or taking vacations or buying shipped goods .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just continue to raise the fuel taxes to generate revenue?
That would serve to continue to reduce fuel consumption which would be a good thing.I keep seeing this argument thrown around.
The problem is that people \_need\_ to go to work.Sure, you may cut down on some vacation travel (even that is debatable, because if you're spending $100/night in a hotel, what's an extra $5 in fuel?
).You've essentially created a tax on the poor.
People for whom buying a new, more efficient car isn't an option.Anyone have any studies to this affect?
(and I don't mean just an analysis of recent trends, because a shitty economy and high gas prices would throw off any statistics.
If no one is working then no one is driving to work or taking vacations or buying shipped goods.
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28548747</id>
	<title>It SHOULD be both taxes</title>
	<author>Ichijo</author>
	<datestamp>1246440060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There is no way in hell that the government will remove any gas taxes, they will just add the per mile tax.</p></div></blockquote><p>And that's exactly how it should be. Some externalities are proportional to miles driven (road wear, traffic congestion) and others are proportional to the amount of fuel used (air pollution, energy dependence). Not taxing both creates an exploitable loophole.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no way in hell that the government will remove any gas taxes , they will just add the per mile tax.And that 's exactly how it should be .
Some externalities are proportional to miles driven ( road wear , traffic congestion ) and others are proportional to the amount of fuel used ( air pollution , energy dependence ) .
Not taxing both creates an exploitable loophole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no way in hell that the government will remove any gas taxes, they will just add the per mile tax.And that's exactly how it should be.
Some externalities are proportional to miles driven (road wear, traffic congestion) and others are proportional to the amount of fuel used (air pollution, energy dependence).
Not taxing both creates an exploitable loophole.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544719</id>
	<title>Re:Regressive tax, will hurt the poor</title>
	<author>squallbsr</author>
	<datestamp>1246470960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how many of our congress critters are driving fuel efficient vehicles that would be negatively impacted by this change, or do they all drive Chevy Tahoes at about 10-15MPG and it would be less in taxes each year...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many of our congress critters are driving fuel efficient vehicles that would be negatively impacted by this change , or do they all drive Chevy Tahoes at about 10-15MPG and it would be less in taxes each year.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many of our congress critters are driving fuel efficient vehicles that would be negatively impacted by this change, or do they all drive Chevy Tahoes at about 10-15MPG and it would be less in taxes each year...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543689</id>
	<title>We are already taxed on mileage.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Consuming more gasoline means more taxes paid. Can we please elect Ron Paul, already, so efforts like these get quashed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consuming more gasoline means more taxes paid .
Can we please elect Ron Paul , already , so efforts like these get quashed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consuming more gasoline means more taxes paid.
Can we please elect Ron Paul, already, so efforts like these get quashed?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543959</id>
	<title>Tracking is silly</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1246468800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just have your license-plate-renewal or inspection-sticker guy write down the milage and certify it as accurate under penalty of perjury, then pay the tax annually as part of your inspection or license plate renewal fee.</p><p>Of course, this will open up a whole new market for odometer fraud.</p><p>Tracking is just too big-brother for me.  I'd rather walk.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just have your license-plate-renewal or inspection-sticker guy write down the milage and certify it as accurate under penalty of perjury , then pay the tax annually as part of your inspection or license plate renewal fee.Of course , this will open up a whole new market for odometer fraud.Tracking is just too big-brother for me .
I 'd rather walk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just have your license-plate-renewal or inspection-sticker guy write down the milage and certify it as accurate under penalty of perjury, then pay the tax annually as part of your inspection or license plate renewal fee.Of course, this will open up a whole new market for odometer fraud.Tracking is just too big-brother for me.
I'd rather walk.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543349</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>wjsteele</author>
	<datestamp>1246467000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh, I'd love it if they did it during "emmissions checking."  I live in Indiana, where we don't such a "big brother" concept.<br> <br>Bill</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I 'd love it if they did it during " emmissions checking .
" I live in Indiana , where we do n't such a " big brother " concept .
Bill</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I'd love it if they did it during "emmissions checking.
"  I live in Indiana, where we don't such a "big brother" concept.
Bill</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543493</id>
	<title>Re:Tracking vs. billing</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1246467480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gas consumption is related to mileage driven with a proportionality constant that's different from one car to the next: gas efficiency. High-efficiency cars do as much damage to roads as low-efficiency cars, yet can have as much as one sixth the gas consumption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gas consumption is related to mileage driven with a proportionality constant that 's different from one car to the next : gas efficiency .
High-efficiency cars do as much damage to roads as low-efficiency cars , yet can have as much as one sixth the gas consumption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gas consumption is related to mileage driven with a proportionality constant that's different from one car to the next: gas efficiency.
High-efficiency cars do as much damage to roads as low-efficiency cars, yet can have as much as one sixth the gas consumption.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543219</id>
	<title>toll?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246466700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What ever happened to good ol toll roads? If you use the hwy it gets taken care of, if you dont,  then by by.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What ever happened to good ol toll roads ?
If you use the hwy it gets taken care of , if you dont , then by by .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What ever happened to good ol toll roads?
If you use the hwy it gets taken care of, if you dont,  then by by.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543505</id>
	<title>Re:Reasonable!</title>
	<author>operagost</author>
	<datestamp>1246467540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't care about the cost.  The federal government doesn't have the right to decide where we go and how we do it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care about the cost .
The federal government does n't have the right to decide where we go and how we do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't care about the cost.
The federal government doesn't have the right to decide where we go and how we do it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546719</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>taustin</author>
	<datestamp>1246476900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's more likely to get more Americans to vote. California handed Gray Davis his ass when he tripled our vehicle registration fees, for instance. Don't mess with the price of owning a vehicle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's more likely to get more Americans to vote .
California handed Gray Davis his ass when he tripled our vehicle registration fees , for instance .
Do n't mess with the price of owning a vehicle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's more likely to get more Americans to vote.
California handed Gray Davis his ass when he tripled our vehicle registration fees, for instance.
Don't mess with the price of owning a vehicle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543593</id>
	<title>Too Slow</title>
	<author>squoozer</author>
	<datestamp>1246467720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those crazy US politicians are so slow with this sort of privacy infringing legislation, they need to get their act together and get into the big leagues like the UK politicians who proposed essentially this idea on or before 6th June 2005 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4610755.stm). The people weren't over the moon at the idea so instead the government have supported building a nationwide ANPR (automatic number plate recognition) system which is pretty much the same end result. What's really great is they are now talking about hooking up all the CCTV cameras in the street to facial recognition systems so they can track pedestrians too. I'm sure we'll get the sat nav system first though - eroding privacy and passing dumb legislation seems to be the only thing we're good at any more.</p><p>The stupid thing is that I think if this system could be put together in such a way that it wasn't the worlds biggest privacy problem it could be quite useful. For a start it would map all the drivable roads in the country. Every car could / would have sat nav and it could be used to route around road network problems. Road network designers would love the anonymous data on traffic loads and common paths and I'm sure people would find stacks of other good uses for this data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those crazy US politicians are so slow with this sort of privacy infringing legislation , they need to get their act together and get into the big leagues like the UK politicians who proposed essentially this idea on or before 6th June 2005 ( http : //news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4610755.stm ) .
The people were n't over the moon at the idea so instead the government have supported building a nationwide ANPR ( automatic number plate recognition ) system which is pretty much the same end result .
What 's really great is they are now talking about hooking up all the CCTV cameras in the street to facial recognition systems so they can track pedestrians too .
I 'm sure we 'll get the sat nav system first though - eroding privacy and passing dumb legislation seems to be the only thing we 're good at any more.The stupid thing is that I think if this system could be put together in such a way that it was n't the worlds biggest privacy problem it could be quite useful .
For a start it would map all the drivable roads in the country .
Every car could / would have sat nav and it could be used to route around road network problems .
Road network designers would love the anonymous data on traffic loads and common paths and I 'm sure people would find stacks of other good uses for this data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those crazy US politicians are so slow with this sort of privacy infringing legislation, they need to get their act together and get into the big leagues like the UK politicians who proposed essentially this idea on or before 6th June 2005 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4610755.stm).
The people weren't over the moon at the idea so instead the government have supported building a nationwide ANPR (automatic number plate recognition) system which is pretty much the same end result.
What's really great is they are now talking about hooking up all the CCTV cameras in the street to facial recognition systems so they can track pedestrians too.
I'm sure we'll get the sat nav system first though - eroding privacy and passing dumb legislation seems to be the only thing we're good at any more.The stupid thing is that I think if this system could be put together in such a way that it wasn't the worlds biggest privacy problem it could be quite useful.
For a start it would map all the drivable roads in the country.
Every car could / would have sat nav and it could be used to route around road network problems.
Road network designers would love the anonymous data on traffic loads and common paths and I'm sure people would find stacks of other good uses for this data.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544323</id>
	<title>Re:Do the simple thing</title>
	<author>Ogive17</author>
	<datestamp>1246469820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what happens when just about everyone has an electric or super efficient hybrid?  Same amount of miles being driven but much less gas being bought.<br>
<br>
They are trying to be somewhat proactive and determine a better way of implementing this tax.  I'm not sure I like the idea of a gps-based system...  but I do believe the majority of tax should be based on miles driven.  They shouldn't totally get rid of the tax on gasoline though, those with less efficient vehicles should still pay more.  Maybe another part of the solution could be a tax based on your vehicle's make/model.  You pull up to the pump in a Hummer that gets 15mpg, you've got to pay $.05/gal tax.  Roll up in a Civc DX that gets 40mph and you only have to pay $.01/gal tax.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what happens when just about everyone has an electric or super efficient hybrid ?
Same amount of miles being driven but much less gas being bought .
They are trying to be somewhat proactive and determine a better way of implementing this tax .
I 'm not sure I like the idea of a gps-based system... but I do believe the majority of tax should be based on miles driven .
They should n't totally get rid of the tax on gasoline though , those with less efficient vehicles should still pay more .
Maybe another part of the solution could be a tax based on your vehicle 's make/model .
You pull up to the pump in a Hummer that gets 15mpg , you 've got to pay $ .05/gal tax .
Roll up in a Civc DX that gets 40mph and you only have to pay $ .01/gal tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what happens when just about everyone has an electric or super efficient hybrid?
Same amount of miles being driven but much less gas being bought.
They are trying to be somewhat proactive and determine a better way of implementing this tax.
I'm not sure I like the idea of a gps-based system...  but I do believe the majority of tax should be based on miles driven.
They shouldn't totally get rid of the tax on gasoline though, those with less efficient vehicles should still pay more.
Maybe another part of the solution could be a tax based on your vehicle's make/model.
You pull up to the pump in a Hummer that gets 15mpg, you've got to pay $.05/gal tax.
Roll up in a Civc DX that gets 40mph and you only have to pay $.01/gal tax.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28557523</id>
	<title>Punish the Suburbanites</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1246548480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here is my slant on this:</p><p>This is just one more way they want to try and force everyone who moved out of ghettos and slums to the suburbs (taking their money with them) back into the inner cities so we can get shot at again by drug dealers and thugs.</p><p>This has little to do with roads, there are hundreds of ways, just here on slashdot alone, that could get them additional revenue to support roads. This is pure social engineering nothing more.</p><p>This just goes back to use tax arguments that will never get resolved.</p><p>Tolls are far more effective IMHO then mileage tax. Limited private operated expressways may also be in order. More HOV lanes and expressPasses are better solutions. Tax credits on alternative fuel vechicles are better solutions.</p><p>This is domestic spying, plain and simple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is my slant on this : This is just one more way they want to try and force everyone who moved out of ghettos and slums to the suburbs ( taking their money with them ) back into the inner cities so we can get shot at again by drug dealers and thugs.This has little to do with roads , there are hundreds of ways , just here on slashdot alone , that could get them additional revenue to support roads .
This is pure social engineering nothing more.This just goes back to use tax arguments that will never get resolved.Tolls are far more effective IMHO then mileage tax .
Limited private operated expressways may also be in order .
More HOV lanes and expressPasses are better solutions .
Tax credits on alternative fuel vechicles are better solutions.This is domestic spying , plain and simple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is my slant on this:This is just one more way they want to try and force everyone who moved out of ghettos and slums to the suburbs (taking their money with them) back into the inner cities so we can get shot at again by drug dealers and thugs.This has little to do with roads, there are hundreds of ways, just here on slashdot alone, that could get them additional revenue to support roads.
This is pure social engineering nothing more.This just goes back to use tax arguments that will never get resolved.Tolls are far more effective IMHO then mileage tax.
Limited private operated expressways may also be in order.
More HOV lanes and expressPasses are better solutions.
Tax credits on alternative fuel vechicles are better solutions.This is domestic spying, plain and simple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544959</id>
	<title>Ivory Tower thinking at its worst</title>
	<author>wgkylep</author>
	<datestamp>1246471740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If these geniuses think it is a 'no-brainer' that you can get political support for a government-mandated tracking device being planted in every American's car, they have been sniffing the bunsen burner for way, way too long.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If these geniuses think it is a 'no-brainer ' that you can get political support for a government-mandated tracking device being planted in every American 's car , they have been sniffing the bunsen burner for way , way too long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If these geniuses think it is a 'no-brainer' that you can get political support for a government-mandated tracking device being planted in every American's car, they have been sniffing the bunsen burner for way, way too long.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545457</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>Jsprat23</author>
	<datestamp>1246473180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was my first thought too.  I ran the numbers based on the summary and a 12k mi/yr average.  With a car that gets 30 mpg, the annual tax comes to $74.  With a car that gets 35 mpg, the tax is $63.43.  With the distance based tax, the new rate is $120 or $240 per annum with the 1 and 2 cent/mi levies, respectively.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was my first thought too .
I ran the numbers based on the summary and a 12k mi/yr average .
With a car that gets 30 mpg , the annual tax comes to $ 74 .
With a car that gets 35 mpg , the tax is $ 63.43 .
With the distance based tax , the new rate is $ 120 or $ 240 per annum with the 1 and 2 cent/mi levies , respectively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was my first thought too.
I ran the numbers based on the summary and a 12k mi/yr average.
With a car that gets 30 mpg, the annual tax comes to $74.
With a car that gets 35 mpg, the tax is $63.43.
With the distance based tax, the new rate is $120 or $240 per annum with the 1 and 2 cent/mi levies, respectively.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543365</id>
	<title>Re:faraday cage anyone?</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1246467060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GPS can also be fairly easily jammed. In a number of areas (particularly with cheaper devices), it's very difficult to get reliable GPS signals, so blocking reception wouldn't be all that suspicious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GPS can also be fairly easily jammed .
In a number of areas ( particularly with cheaper devices ) , it 's very difficult to get reliable GPS signals , so blocking reception would n't be all that suspicious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GPS can also be fairly easily jammed.
In a number of areas (particularly with cheaper devices), it's very difficult to get reliable GPS signals, so blocking reception wouldn't be all that suspicious.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543163</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545065</id>
	<title>Re:What about Oklahoma?</title>
	<author>swb311</author>
	<datestamp>1246471980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, we're screwed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , we 're screwed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, we're screwed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543297</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546621</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246476480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what I like to see.</p><p>I ride a bicycle 40 miles round trip to and from work every day.</p><p>This also includes a 1,000 foot vertical climb twice per day.</p><p>It's fun and I am in real good health and shape.</p><p>This is a good way to keep ourselves green and cut down medical costs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what I like to see.I ride a bicycle 40 miles round trip to and from work every day.This also includes a 1,000 foot vertical climb twice per day.It 's fun and I am in real good health and shape.This is a good way to keep ourselves green and cut down medical costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what I like to see.I ride a bicycle 40 miles round trip to and from work every day.This also includes a 1,000 foot vertical climb twice per day.It's fun and I am in real good health and shape.This is a good way to keep ourselves green and cut down medical costs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28550701</id>
	<title>Trucks cause the damage</title>
	<author>anomaly</author>
	<datestamp>1246446600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From an engineering perspective, we could significantly reduce the amount of taxes needed for road maintenance if we had the guts to do three things:<br>1. Fix the #$@#$ rail system - so bureaucratic and mismanaged that rail freight is not economical<br>2. Compel heavy items and large volumes to transit via rail.  Heavy trucks are the things that destroy the roads!  The weight and stresses aplied by cars are substantively less than those freight trucks.  Of course, freight trucks pay more than you and I do, but not commensurate with the damage they do.<br>3. Be prepared to WAIT for products.  This is the death knell.  We're so impatient as a culture that the additional time it would take to manage freight efficiently over rail would mean that "air" shipments and "next day by 10:30" would likely be infeasible - unless we taxed their delivery a multiple of 10 or more to make up for the road damage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From an engineering perspective , we could significantly reduce the amount of taxes needed for road maintenance if we had the guts to do three things : 1 .
Fix the # $ @ # $ rail system - so bureaucratic and mismanaged that rail freight is not economical2 .
Compel heavy items and large volumes to transit via rail .
Heavy trucks are the things that destroy the roads !
The weight and stresses aplied by cars are substantively less than those freight trucks .
Of course , freight trucks pay more than you and I do , but not commensurate with the damage they do.3 .
Be prepared to WAIT for products .
This is the death knell .
We 're so impatient as a culture that the additional time it would take to manage freight efficiently over rail would mean that " air " shipments and " next day by 10 : 30 " would likely be infeasible - unless we taxed their delivery a multiple of 10 or more to make up for the road damage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From an engineering perspective, we could significantly reduce the amount of taxes needed for road maintenance if we had the guts to do three things:1.
Fix the #$@#$ rail system - so bureaucratic and mismanaged that rail freight is not economical2.
Compel heavy items and large volumes to transit via rail.
Heavy trucks are the things that destroy the roads!
The weight and stresses aplied by cars are substantively less than those freight trucks.
Of course, freight trucks pay more than you and I do, but not commensurate with the damage they do.3.
Be prepared to WAIT for products.
This is the death knell.
We're so impatient as a culture that the additional time it would take to manage freight efficiently over rail would mean that "air" shipments and "next day by 10:30" would likely be infeasible - unless we taxed their delivery a multiple of 10 or more to make up for the road damage.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547305</id>
	<title>Stupid idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246478880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work IT for a trucking company and all our trucks have satellite and GPS for location tracking and communications. The entire system can be defeated by putting a metal bucket over the dome, and drivers do this all the time when they want to drive somewhere and not be tracked. I can't imagine it would take much more than some aluminium foil to defeat the GPS signal.<br>Though I can't really fault Congress for their actions of late. If I had a few trillion dollars of someone else's money and knew they didn't give a crap what I did with it, I'd be completely retarded and irresponsible too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work IT for a trucking company and all our trucks have satellite and GPS for location tracking and communications .
The entire system can be defeated by putting a metal bucket over the dome , and drivers do this all the time when they want to drive somewhere and not be tracked .
I ca n't imagine it would take much more than some aluminium foil to defeat the GPS signal.Though I ca n't really fault Congress for their actions of late .
If I had a few trillion dollars of someone else 's money and knew they did n't give a crap what I did with it , I 'd be completely retarded and irresponsible too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work IT for a trucking company and all our trucks have satellite and GPS for location tracking and communications.
The entire system can be defeated by putting a metal bucket over the dome, and drivers do this all the time when they want to drive somewhere and not be tracked.
I can't imagine it would take much more than some aluminium foil to defeat the GPS signal.Though I can't really fault Congress for their actions of late.
If I had a few trillion dollars of someone else's money and knew they didn't give a crap what I did with it, I'd be completely retarded and irresponsible too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543615</id>
	<title>Incredibally Evil.</title>
	<author>gurps\_npc</author>
	<datestamp>1246467780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look, it's not just that the method they choose to do this is evil. It's not just that they could track us.
<p>It's the belief that they should be tracking mileage in the first place.</p><p>One of the major advantages of taxing gasoline instead of taxing miles its that <b>it rewards people who have better gas mileage</b>.
</p><p>If we just want to raise more cash, raise the general income or sales tax.
</p><p>If we just want to charge car owners to maintain the highways, use tollbooths and also put in higher registration fees.
</p><p> <strong>But the reason we put in a tax on gas was to charge MORE to people that use more GAS. </strong>  The idea is to thereby encourage people, financially, to use less gas.
</p><p>This is a blatant attempt to get rid of one of the best ideas we have ever had - to tax GASOLINE because it's use is bad for the environment and it is a limited commodity.
</p><p>Anyone that supports using a mileage tax by itself is an evil, vile person, and it should not be surprised that they would try the most evil method of all, trackign everyone everywhere they went via GPS.
</p><p> <b> <strong>If we are not getting enough money from the gas tax then raise the gas tax.</strong> </b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , it 's not just that the method they choose to do this is evil .
It 's not just that they could track us .
It 's the belief that they should be tracking mileage in the first place.One of the major advantages of taxing gasoline instead of taxing miles its that it rewards people who have better gas mileage .
If we just want to raise more cash , raise the general income or sales tax .
If we just want to charge car owners to maintain the highways , use tollbooths and also put in higher registration fees .
But the reason we put in a tax on gas was to charge MORE to people that use more GAS .
The idea is to thereby encourage people , financially , to use less gas .
This is a blatant attempt to get rid of one of the best ideas we have ever had - to tax GASOLINE because it 's use is bad for the environment and it is a limited commodity .
Anyone that supports using a mileage tax by itself is an evil , vile person , and it should not be surprised that they would try the most evil method of all , trackign everyone everywhere they went via GPS .
If we are not getting enough money from the gas tax then raise the gas tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, it's not just that the method they choose to do this is evil.
It's not just that they could track us.
It's the belief that they should be tracking mileage in the first place.One of the major advantages of taxing gasoline instead of taxing miles its that it rewards people who have better gas mileage.
If we just want to raise more cash, raise the general income or sales tax.
If we just want to charge car owners to maintain the highways, use tollbooths and also put in higher registration fees.
But the reason we put in a tax on gas was to charge MORE to people that use more GAS.
The idea is to thereby encourage people, financially, to use less gas.
This is a blatant attempt to get rid of one of the best ideas we have ever had - to tax GASOLINE because it's use is bad for the environment and it is a limited commodity.
Anyone that supports using a mileage tax by itself is an evil, vile person, and it should not be surprised that they would try the most evil method of all, trackign everyone everywhere they went via GPS.
If we are not getting enough money from the gas tax then raise the gas tax. </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546295</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>weszz</author>
	<datestamp>1246475580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I picked up an I-Pass but for purely financial reasons. I go to Chicago and Indianapolis, sometimes St Louis now and then, and Illinois made it half price for all I-pass users compared to cash, so between that and not haivng to stop is the only reason I got one.</p><p>The Tri state tollway has high fees and is constantly under construction...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I picked up an I-Pass but for purely financial reasons .
I go to Chicago and Indianapolis , sometimes St Louis now and then , and Illinois made it half price for all I-pass users compared to cash , so between that and not haivng to stop is the only reason I got one.The Tri state tollway has high fees and is constantly under construction.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I picked up an I-Pass but for purely financial reasons.
I go to Chicago and Indianapolis, sometimes St Louis now and then, and Illinois made it half price for all I-pass users compared to cash, so between that and not haivng to stop is the only reason I got one.The Tri state tollway has high fees and is constantly under construction...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547347</id>
	<title>Congratulations Libertarians</title>
	<author>Fujisawa Sensei</author>
	<datestamp>1246479000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would like the congratulate the Libertarians on getting this idea implemented.</p><p>Now that they have a way to tax people based on how much they drive, a long time goal of the party is to only tax people for services they use, and not the available services.</p><p>The next steps will be:</p><ol>
<li>Implement varying fees based on which roads people are driving on.</li><li>Hand the project over to a private company to manage and reduce the size of the government.</li></ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like the congratulate the Libertarians on getting this idea implemented.Now that they have a way to tax people based on how much they drive , a long time goal of the party is to only tax people for services they use , and not the available services.The next steps will be : Implement varying fees based on which roads people are driving on.Hand the project over to a private company to manage and reduce the size of the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like the congratulate the Libertarians on getting this idea implemented.Now that they have a way to tax people based on how much they drive, a long time goal of the party is to only tax people for services they use, and not the available services.The next steps will be:
Implement varying fees based on which roads people are driving on.Hand the project over to a private company to manage and reduce the size of the government.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543425</id>
	<title>Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work for the DoD.  There are those of us that work on "black" projects that have covert everything, including travel.  It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been, either personal or rental, for an enemy agent to exploit.  If there's a meeting of folks hammering out the requirements for a new fighter jet or littoral cruiser, who goes to the meeting, where the meeting was, what time the meeting was, etc. are all way too valuable to be recorded.</p><p>No, this idea is a non-starter for National security reasons.  We won't even talk about organized crime getting ahold of it in order to track likely kidnap candidates' usual movements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for the DoD .
There are those of us that work on " black " projects that have covert everything , including travel .
It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been , either personal or rental , for an enemy agent to exploit .
If there 's a meeting of folks hammering out the requirements for a new fighter jet or littoral cruiser , who goes to the meeting , where the meeting was , what time the meeting was , etc .
are all way too valuable to be recorded.No , this idea is a non-starter for National security reasons .
We wo n't even talk about organized crime getting ahold of it in order to track likely kidnap candidates ' usual movements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for the DoD.
There are those of us that work on "black" projects that have covert everything, including travel.
It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been, either personal or rental, for an enemy agent to exploit.
If there's a meeting of folks hammering out the requirements for a new fighter jet or littoral cruiser, who goes to the meeting, where the meeting was, what time the meeting was, etc.
are all way too valuable to be recorded.No, this idea is a non-starter for National security reasons.
We won't even talk about organized crime getting ahold of it in order to track likely kidnap candidates' usual movements.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544503</id>
	<title>Oh swell -- now they'll know</title>
	<author>Markvs</author>
	<datestamp>1246470300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The pattern I cut the grass with once they put the GPS on my lawn tractor!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The pattern I cut the grass with once they put the GPS on my lawn tractor !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The pattern I cut the grass with once they put the GPS on my lawn tractor!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543357</id>
	<title>I work at home...</title>
	<author>Stele</author>
	<datestamp>1246467060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I wonder how they are planning on taxing ME even more. A Federal Internet tax maybe? How about a "work-at-home" tax for income-earners who do not commute?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I wonder how they are planning on taxing ME even more .
A Federal Internet tax maybe ?
How about a " work-at-home " tax for income-earners who do not commute ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I wonder how they are planning on taxing ME even more.
A Federal Internet tax maybe?
How about a "work-at-home" tax for income-earners who do not commute?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544893</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1246471440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You seem to believe a common fallacy, that in a democracy (really a republic), the people have the power to change laws by voting for people who agree with them.  The recent Presidential elections should have made it pretty obvious that we, the people, don't really have that power, as the choices we're given are so limited.  We never get the choice of a candidate who agrees with the majority of us; instead, we get extremely polar candidates.  In the US, we get either someone who's a buddy to giant oil corporations and wants to give them subsidies so they can maintain record profits, and a buddy to war profiteers like Halliburton, or we can get someone who's a buddy to the RIAA and copyright lobby.  What's worse, when 3rd parties try to make some noise and get votes, they show themselves to be even more kooky and extreme than the two dominant parties.</p><p>I'm sure this Orwellian GPS-in-everyone's-car idea is perfectly OK with both parties in power, even though the majority of people most likely are firmly against it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You seem to believe a common fallacy , that in a democracy ( really a republic ) , the people have the power to change laws by voting for people who agree with them .
The recent Presidential elections should have made it pretty obvious that we , the people , do n't really have that power , as the choices we 're given are so limited .
We never get the choice of a candidate who agrees with the majority of us ; instead , we get extremely polar candidates .
In the US , we get either someone who 's a buddy to giant oil corporations and wants to give them subsidies so they can maintain record profits , and a buddy to war profiteers like Halliburton , or we can get someone who 's a buddy to the RIAA and copyright lobby .
What 's worse , when 3rd parties try to make some noise and get votes , they show themselves to be even more kooky and extreme than the two dominant parties.I 'm sure this Orwellian GPS-in-everyone 's-car idea is perfectly OK with both parties in power , even though the majority of people most likely are firmly against it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seem to believe a common fallacy, that in a democracy (really a republic), the people have the power to change laws by voting for people who agree with them.
The recent Presidential elections should have made it pretty obvious that we, the people, don't really have that power, as the choices we're given are so limited.
We never get the choice of a candidate who agrees with the majority of us; instead, we get extremely polar candidates.
In the US, we get either someone who's a buddy to giant oil corporations and wants to give them subsidies so they can maintain record profits, and a buddy to war profiteers like Halliburton, or we can get someone who's a buddy to the RIAA and copyright lobby.
What's worse, when 3rd parties try to make some noise and get votes, they show themselves to be even more kooky and extreme than the two dominant parties.I'm sure this Orwellian GPS-in-everyone's-car idea is perfectly OK with both parties in power, even though the majority of people most likely are firmly against it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546057</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>TooMuchToDo</author>
	<datestamp>1246474860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone from Illinois, I'd liken Indiana to Calcutta. Carry on complaining about actions being taken to prevent public resources from being abused.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone from Illinois , I 'd liken Indiana to Calcutta .
Carry on complaining about actions being taken to prevent public resources from being abused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone from Illinois, I'd liken Indiana to Calcutta.
Carry on complaining about actions being taken to prevent public resources from being abused.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543349</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543475</id>
	<title>Who gets exemptions from this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can see the way this would go down now. Once implemented, it will only be a matter of time before someone either hacks into and steals the tracking info, or a dishonest/underpaid "billing center" employee takes it and sells it to the highest bidder.</p><p>Because of this, we'd end up with all sorts of exceptions for the elite-class (law enforcement, celebs, politicians, etc.) After all, it's ok for the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.gov and some random gov contractor to know where YOU are and going at all times, but your congressman? What if someone finds out his driving patterns and assasinates him (or better yet discovers his indiscretions?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see the way this would go down now .
Once implemented , it will only be a matter of time before someone either hacks into and steals the tracking info , or a dishonest/underpaid " billing center " employee takes it and sells it to the highest bidder.Because of this , we 'd end up with all sorts of exceptions for the elite-class ( law enforcement , celebs , politicians , etc .
) After all , it 's ok for the .gov and some random gov contractor to know where YOU are and going at all times , but your congressman ?
What if someone finds out his driving patterns and assasinates him ( or better yet discovers his indiscretions ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see the way this would go down now.
Once implemented, it will only be a matter of time before someone either hacks into and steals the tracking info, or a dishonest/underpaid "billing center" employee takes it and sells it to the highest bidder.Because of this, we'd end up with all sorts of exceptions for the elite-class (law enforcement, celebs, politicians, etc.
) After all, it's ok for the .gov and some random gov contractor to know where YOU are and going at all times, but your congressman?
What if someone finds out his driving patterns and assasinates him (or better yet discovers his indiscretions?
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543813</id>
	<title>Re:As if...</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1246468380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...the gov't <i>ever</i> got rid of a tax that was "replaced" by another.</p></div><p>Sure they do, why in 2006 they got rid of the telephone tax that was imposed to pay for the Spanish-American War. So, you see, eventually they get rid of old taxes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the gov't ever got rid of a tax that was " replaced " by another.Sure they do , why in 2006 they got rid of the telephone tax that was imposed to pay for the Spanish-American War .
So , you see , eventually they get rid of old taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...the gov't ever got rid of a tax that was "replaced" by another.Sure they do, why in 2006 they got rid of the telephone tax that was imposed to pay for the Spanish-American War.
So, you see, eventually they get rid of old taxes.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543479</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543861</id>
	<title>Re:faraday cage anyone?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246468560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why bother with that?  Its an extremely weak signal from a distant satellite<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. Virtually any household item such as an old novel can be used to block signals from the GPS receiver in your car.</p><p>What I really want to do is to construct a GPS repeater or signal emulator which broadcasts fake signals so that I appear somewhere else or appear to be stationary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why bother with that ?
Its an extremely weak signal from a distant satellite .. Virtually any household item such as an old novel can be used to block signals from the GPS receiver in your car.What I really want to do is to construct a GPS repeater or signal emulator which broadcasts fake signals so that I appear somewhere else or appear to be stationary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why bother with that?
Its an extremely weak signal from a distant satellite .. Virtually any household item such as an old novel can be used to block signals from the GPS receiver in your car.What I really want to do is to construct a GPS repeater or signal emulator which broadcasts fake signals so that I appear somewhere else or appear to be stationary.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543163</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545081</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246472040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I drive a Prius, which is exempt from California emissions checking (for now, at least). Might other states have similar exemptions?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I drive a Prius , which is exempt from California emissions checking ( for now , at least ) .
Might other states have similar exemptions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I drive a Prius, which is exempt from California emissions checking (for now, at least).
Might other states have similar exemptions?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544081</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246469100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With a fast moving world, I doubt it that more Americans will move to bicycles.  People will bitch about it for a while and if the gov't doesn't make any concessions, we will accept this as reality and move on with our lives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With a fast moving world , I doubt it that more Americans will move to bicycles .
People will bitch about it for a while and if the gov't does n't make any concessions , we will accept this as reality and move on with our lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With a fast moving world, I doubt it that more Americans will move to bicycles.
People will bitch about it for a while and if the gov't doesn't make any concessions, we will accept this as reality and move on with our lives.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543513</id>
	<title>Put it on snowmobiles</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1246467540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Put GPS on snowmobiles and send me a check when they trespass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Put GPS on snowmobiles and send me a check when they trespass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Put GPS on snowmobiles and send me a check when they trespass.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28552959</id>
	<title>Question</title>
	<author>drkwatr</author>
	<datestamp>1246460160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If newer cars are becoming hybrid, or even electric aren't their overall weights lowering? And if they are doesn't that less weight on the road increase the longevity of it? And If that is correct wouldn't the cost of actually maintaining them decrease as well? This GPS shit is for knowing where you are plain and simple baby. Like the NAIA crap with cattle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If newer cars are becoming hybrid , or even electric are n't their overall weights lowering ?
And if they are does n't that less weight on the road increase the longevity of it ?
And If that is correct would n't the cost of actually maintaining them decrease as well ?
This GPS shit is for knowing where you are plain and simple baby .
Like the NAIA crap with cattle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If newer cars are becoming hybrid, or even electric aren't their overall weights lowering?
And if they are doesn't that less weight on the road increase the longevity of it?
And If that is correct wouldn't the cost of actually maintaining them decrease as well?
This GPS shit is for knowing where you are plain and simple baby.
Like the NAIA crap with cattle.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544981</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would like it on all patrol cars, so I could program a warning system when within a certain radius of said patrol cars...hahaha.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like it on all patrol cars , so I could program a warning system when within a certain radius of said patrol cars...hahaha .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like it on all patrol cars, so I could program a warning system when within a certain radius of said patrol cars...hahaha.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543425</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547503</id>
	<title>Heard of objectivity?</title>
	<author>hackel</author>
	<datestamp>1246479600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't stand the obviously biased, negative tone of this article summary.  Why do you people always assume any kind of taxation is a bad thing?  Personally, I would like to see at least a 500\% increase in our fuel taxes, to put us on-par with the rest of the world.  More importantly, however, this would make taxation much more fair by taxing people on what they actually *use*.  As it stands, I pay far more than my fair share of road taxes, since I only drive about 5000 mi/year, compared with disgusting sub- and ex-burbanites who commute ridiculous number of miles each day.  Taxation should increase exponentially the farther away ones home is from their place of business.  The reason GPS would be useful in the taxation, is that you could automatically charge more for certain high-value routes, like they do now for express lanes, bridges, etc.  I hope they implement this soon!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't stand the obviously biased , negative tone of this article summary .
Why do you people always assume any kind of taxation is a bad thing ?
Personally , I would like to see at least a 500 \ % increase in our fuel taxes , to put us on-par with the rest of the world .
More importantly , however , this would make taxation much more fair by taxing people on what they actually * use * .
As it stands , I pay far more than my fair share of road taxes , since I only drive about 5000 mi/year , compared with disgusting sub- and ex-burbanites who commute ridiculous number of miles each day .
Taxation should increase exponentially the farther away ones home is from their place of business .
The reason GPS would be useful in the taxation , is that you could automatically charge more for certain high-value routes , like they do now for express lanes , bridges , etc .
I hope they implement this soon !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't stand the obviously biased, negative tone of this article summary.
Why do you people always assume any kind of taxation is a bad thing?
Personally, I would like to see at least a 500\% increase in our fuel taxes, to put us on-par with the rest of the world.
More importantly, however, this would make taxation much more fair by taxing people on what they actually *use*.
As it stands, I pay far more than my fair share of road taxes, since I only drive about 5000 mi/year, compared with disgusting sub- and ex-burbanites who commute ridiculous number of miles each day.
Taxation should increase exponentially the farther away ones home is from their place of business.
The reason GPS would be useful in the taxation, is that you could automatically charge more for certain high-value routes, like they do now for express lanes, bridges, etc.
I hope they implement this soon!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543711</id>
	<title>Re:At first I cringed.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246468020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the other way around 18.5 cents/gallon / (30 miles / gallon) = (cents/mile) ~= 0.62</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the other way around 18.5 cents/gallon / ( 30 miles / gallon ) = ( cents/mile ) ~ = 0.62</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the other way around 18.5 cents/gallon / (30 miles / gallon) = (cents/mile) ~= 0.62</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543285</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544333</id>
	<title>Re:At first I cringed.</title>
	<author>Talderas</author>
	<datestamp>1246469820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You will only save money if your vehicle gets less than 18.5mpg, and that's if they tax you at $0.01/mile. If you are taxed at $0.02/mile you only save money if you get less than 9.25mpg.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You will only save money if your vehicle gets less than 18.5mpg , and that 's if they tax you at $ 0.01/mile .
If you are taxed at $ 0.02/mile you only save money if you get less than 9.25mpg .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You will only save money if your vehicle gets less than 18.5mpg, and that's if they tax you at $0.01/mile.
If you are taxed at $0.02/mile you only save money if you get less than 9.25mpg.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543285</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545553</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246473360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the stated purposes, any such vehicles would be exempted.</p><p>Of course, this reduces the taxable base, but no worries. The little, unimportant, easily-tracked American Sheeple will pick up the bill.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the stated purposes , any such vehicles would be exempted.Of course , this reduces the taxable base , but no worries .
The little , unimportant , easily-tracked American Sheeple will pick up the bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the stated purposes, any such vehicles would be exempted.Of course, this reduces the taxable base, but no worries.
The little, unimportant, easily-tracked American Sheeple will pick up the bill.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543425</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28551425</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246449960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speed limits don't get raised.  Rather, governments get ousted.</p><p>The cameras were used in Ontario for a while on the back of unmarked police vans so they could be covertly moved.  On election time one of the platforms of the soon-to-win government was to ban them outright.  They did it and people rejoiced (Although there were plenty of people that hated the new government for everything else THIS was one thing EVERYONE could get behind).</p><p>Speed limits, however, were not raised.  Considering the main road people speed on (Highway 401, incidentally the highway with the highest AADT in all of North America) had been lowered by about 15 km/h 20 years previous to this incident, I'm surprised they didn't raise it, but there you go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speed limits do n't get raised .
Rather , governments get ousted.The cameras were used in Ontario for a while on the back of unmarked police vans so they could be covertly moved .
On election time one of the platforms of the soon-to-win government was to ban them outright .
They did it and people rejoiced ( Although there were plenty of people that hated the new government for everything else THIS was one thing EVERYONE could get behind ) .Speed limits , however , were not raised .
Considering the main road people speed on ( Highway 401 , incidentally the highway with the highest AADT in all of North America ) had been lowered by about 15 km/h 20 years previous to this incident , I 'm surprised they did n't raise it , but there you go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speed limits don't get raised.
Rather, governments get ousted.The cameras were used in Ontario for a while on the back of unmarked police vans so they could be covertly moved.
On election time one of the platforms of the soon-to-win government was to ban them outright.
They did it and people rejoiced (Although there were plenty of people that hated the new government for everything else THIS was one thing EVERYONE could get behind).Speed limits, however, were not raised.
Considering the main road people speed on (Highway 401, incidentally the highway with the highest AADT in all of North America) had been lowered by about 15 km/h 20 years previous to this incident, I'm surprised they didn't raise it, but there you go.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28597219</id>
	<title>Yet Another Bad Idea ...</title>
	<author>Antony T Curtis</author>
	<datestamp>1246907280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Taxing road users per mile of use is a bad idea if it does not take into account the mass of the vehicle, condition of the vehicle and condition of the vehicle's exhaust.<br>Why:</p><ul> <li>Vehicles with more mass would put more static load on the road surface and damage the road, causing pot-holes etc.</li><li>Vehicles with poorly maintained and/or modified suspension will put more dynamic load on the road surface and damage the road, causing pot-holes etc.</li><li>Vehicles with poor emissions, oil/fuel in the exhaust will cause such matter to attack the road surface and damage the road, causing pot-holes etc.</li></ul><p>This will all be very difficult to regulate.</p><p>This is why a tax on gasoline works well:</p><ul> <li>Vehicles with more mass consume more fuel.</li><li>Vehicles which are poorly maintained and/or modified will consume more fuel.</li><li>Vehicles which are more polluting consume more fuel.<ul><li><p>In my opinion, they should be looking to double or triple the tax on fuel. They would easily collect more money and it is easy for them to collect payment as the infrastructure is already in place. It would cost the taxpayers nothing more in infrastructure and equipment. Even if they double the tax per gallon of fuel, it won't affect the price of gasoline as much as recent fuel price fluctuations during the past 12 months.</p><p>A tax on only milage will hurt fuel efficient and alternative fuel vehicles.</p></li></ul></li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>Taxing road users per mile of use is a bad idea if it does not take into account the mass of the vehicle , condition of the vehicle and condition of the vehicle 's exhaust.Why : Vehicles with more mass would put more static load on the road surface and damage the road , causing pot-holes etc.Vehicles with poorly maintained and/or modified suspension will put more dynamic load on the road surface and damage the road , causing pot-holes etc.Vehicles with poor emissions , oil/fuel in the exhaust will cause such matter to attack the road surface and damage the road , causing pot-holes etc.This will all be very difficult to regulate.This is why a tax on gasoline works well : Vehicles with more mass consume more fuel.Vehicles which are poorly maintained and/or modified will consume more fuel.Vehicles which are more polluting consume more fuel.In my opinion , they should be looking to double or triple the tax on fuel .
They would easily collect more money and it is easy for them to collect payment as the infrastructure is already in place .
It would cost the taxpayers nothing more in infrastructure and equipment .
Even if they double the tax per gallon of fuel , it wo n't affect the price of gasoline as much as recent fuel price fluctuations during the past 12 months.A tax on only milage will hurt fuel efficient and alternative fuel vehicles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taxing road users per mile of use is a bad idea if it does not take into account the mass of the vehicle, condition of the vehicle and condition of the vehicle's exhaust.Why: Vehicles with more mass would put more static load on the road surface and damage the road, causing pot-holes etc.Vehicles with poorly maintained and/or modified suspension will put more dynamic load on the road surface and damage the road, causing pot-holes etc.Vehicles with poor emissions, oil/fuel in the exhaust will cause such matter to attack the road surface and damage the road, causing pot-holes etc.This will all be very difficult to regulate.This is why a tax on gasoline works well: Vehicles with more mass consume more fuel.Vehicles which are poorly maintained and/or modified will consume more fuel.Vehicles which are more polluting consume more fuel.In my opinion, they should be looking to double or triple the tax on fuel.
They would easily collect more money and it is easy for them to collect payment as the infrastructure is already in place.
It would cost the taxpayers nothing more in infrastructure and equipment.
Even if they double the tax per gallon of fuel, it won't affect the price of gasoline as much as recent fuel price fluctuations during the past 12 months.A tax on only milage will hurt fuel efficient and alternative fuel vehicles.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28550055</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1246444080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think they do that already, but don't actually use what they get.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think they do that already , but do n't actually use what they get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think they do that already, but don't actually use what they get.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543885</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246468620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I think I understand your point, living in Los Angeles over the past 30 years has made me a believer in emissions control.  The increase in air quality has been incredible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I think I understand your point , living in Los Angeles over the past 30 years has made me a believer in emissions control .
The increase in air quality has been incredible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I think I understand your point, living in Los Angeles over the past 30 years has made me a believer in emissions control.
The increase in air quality has been incredible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28550385</id>
	<title>What about big States?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246445280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they penalize drivers in the big/rural States, where fuel use is more efficient, instead of the idiots who idle in traffic for hours because they refuse to ride the bus.</p><p>Nice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they penalize drivers in the big/rural States , where fuel use is more efficient , instead of the idiots who idle in traffic for hours because they refuse to ride the bus.Nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they penalize drivers in the big/rural States, where fuel use is more efficient, instead of the idiots who idle in traffic for hours because they refuse to ride the bus.Nice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543309</id>
	<title>Or...</title>
	<author>tirerim</author>
	<datestamp>1246466940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They could just tax gasoline more.  You know, the driving-related thing that they <em>already tax</em>.  That has the side benefit of helping to cut down on pollution more than a flat per-mile tax, too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They could just tax gasoline more .
You know , the driving-related thing that they already tax .
That has the side benefit of helping to cut down on pollution more than a flat per-mile tax , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could just tax gasoline more.
You know, the driving-related thing that they already tax.
That has the side benefit of helping to cut down on pollution more than a flat per-mile tax, too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28558653</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>holmstar</author>
	<datestamp>1246553820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is that the US population is rather polarized as well.  This polarization is rather encouraged because people fear voting for a third party will mean wasting their vote.  <br>
<br>
If you ever want a chance of a third party or independent (small 'i') candidate winning then we need a different election system.  My personal favorite is the instant run-off system, where each voter ranks their choices.  If their first choice fails to get a majority, then their vote falls to the next choice, and so-on, until one of the candidates gets a majority of votes.<br>
<br>
with this system, the voter can give their first choice to a third-party candidate without fear of "wasting" their vote.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that the US population is rather polarized as well .
This polarization is rather encouraged because people fear voting for a third party will mean wasting their vote .
If you ever want a chance of a third party or independent ( small 'i ' ) candidate winning then we need a different election system .
My personal favorite is the instant run-off system , where each voter ranks their choices .
If their first choice fails to get a majority , then their vote falls to the next choice , and so-on , until one of the candidates gets a majority of votes .
with this system , the voter can give their first choice to a third-party candidate without fear of " wasting " their vote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that the US population is rather polarized as well.
This polarization is rather encouraged because people fear voting for a third party will mean wasting their vote.
If you ever want a chance of a third party or independent (small 'i') candidate winning then we need a different election system.
My personal favorite is the instant run-off system, where each voter ranks their choices.
If their first choice fails to get a majority, then their vote falls to the next choice, and so-on, until one of the candidates gets a majority of votes.
with this system, the voter can give their first choice to a third-party candidate without fear of "wasting" their vote.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544893</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546433</id>
	<title>*Ahem* - GPS is far from dependable enough</title>
	<author>d474</author>
	<datestamp>1246475940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How can one challenge the accuracy or flaws in the record generated by the GPS receiver in your car?  GPS's suffer all kinds of issues in cities like New York with signal bounce, etc., which result in flawed positions.  Who reviews the accuracy of the data, or are you just SOL?<br> <br>
I can just see the fun government tax forms you'd have to fill out to get a refund for GPS errors that resulted in mileage errors over the course of a year.  Not to mention, what if you're a farmer who drives only on private roads not maintained by county/state/fed?  What if you're private road parallels a major highway and the GPS incorrectly thinks you're driving on the highway and hence taxes you?  There are dozens of issues this convoluted system will generate for the consumer/citizen/sheeple.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How can one challenge the accuracy or flaws in the record generated by the GPS receiver in your car ?
GPS 's suffer all kinds of issues in cities like New York with signal bounce , etc. , which result in flawed positions .
Who reviews the accuracy of the data , or are you just SOL ?
I can just see the fun government tax forms you 'd have to fill out to get a refund for GPS errors that resulted in mileage errors over the course of a year .
Not to mention , what if you 're a farmer who drives only on private roads not maintained by county/state/fed ?
What if you 're private road parallels a major highway and the GPS incorrectly thinks you 're driving on the highway and hence taxes you ?
There are dozens of issues this convoluted system will generate for the consumer/citizen/sheeple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can one challenge the accuracy or flaws in the record generated by the GPS receiver in your car?
GPS's suffer all kinds of issues in cities like New York with signal bounce, etc., which result in flawed positions.
Who reviews the accuracy of the data, or are you just SOL?
I can just see the fun government tax forms you'd have to fill out to get a refund for GPS errors that resulted in mileage errors over the course of a year.
Not to mention, what if you're a farmer who drives only on private roads not maintained by county/state/fed?
What if you're private road parallels a major highway and the GPS incorrectly thinks you're driving on the highway and hence taxes you?
There are dozens of issues this convoluted system will generate for the consumer/citizen/sheeple.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543787</id>
	<title>Re:old/weird cars?</title>
	<author>JBL2</author>
	<datestamp>1246468320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't forget: this is a GOVERNMENT program. Remember digital TV? By the time it's implemented, your "'65 Porsche" will be a 2065 Porsche.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget : this is a GOVERNMENT program .
Remember digital TV ?
By the time it 's implemented , your " '65 Porsche " will be a 2065 Porsche .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget: this is a GOVERNMENT program.
Remember digital TV?
By the time it's implemented, your "'65 Porsche" will be a 2065 Porsche.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544735</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"....clitoral cruiser, who goes to the meeting, where the meeting was, what time the meeting was, etc. are all way too valuable to be recorded."</p><p>so that's where all our tax dollars go to!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ....clitoral cruiser , who goes to the meeting , where the meeting was , what time the meeting was , etc .
are all way too valuable to be recorded .
" so that 's where all our tax dollars go to !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"....clitoral cruiser, who goes to the meeting, where the meeting was, what time the meeting was, etc.
are all way too valuable to be recorded.
"so that's where all our tax dollars go to!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543425</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545907</id>
	<title>Re:Calculations am I making a mistake</title>
	<author>beej</author>
	<datestamp>1246474500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your break-even tax rate for mileage "m" is going to be, I think:</p><p>t = 0.185 / m</p><p>If you get 10 mpg, any per mile tax less than $0.0185 (between 1 and 2 cents) is going to cost you less overall.</p><p>If you get 20 mpg, any per mile tax less than $0.00925 (just under 1 cent) will save you money.</p><p>If you get 35 mpg like me, the per mile tax will have to be about half a cent.  Which is obviously not going to happen.</p><p>The saving grace for all these numbers is that you will still pay less overall if you get a more fuel-efficient car.  Your mega-mileage car might be costing you $5/gallon in per-mile tax, but if you only buy two gallons per month, maybe it's no t so bad.</p><p>All this being said, the whole idea of GPS tracking is horrible, of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your break-even tax rate for mileage " m " is going to be , I think : t = 0.185 / mIf you get 10 mpg , any per mile tax less than $ 0.0185 ( between 1 and 2 cents ) is going to cost you less overall.If you get 20 mpg , any per mile tax less than $ 0.00925 ( just under 1 cent ) will save you money.If you get 35 mpg like me , the per mile tax will have to be about half a cent .
Which is obviously not going to happen.The saving grace for all these numbers is that you will still pay less overall if you get a more fuel-efficient car .
Your mega-mileage car might be costing you $ 5/gallon in per-mile tax , but if you only buy two gallons per month , maybe it 's no t so bad.All this being said , the whole idea of GPS tracking is horrible , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your break-even tax rate for mileage "m" is going to be, I think:t = 0.185 / mIf you get 10 mpg, any per mile tax less than $0.0185 (between 1 and 2 cents) is going to cost you less overall.If you get 20 mpg, any per mile tax less than $0.00925 (just under 1 cent) will save you money.If you get 35 mpg like me, the per mile tax will have to be about half a cent.
Which is obviously not going to happen.The saving grace for all these numbers is that you will still pay less overall if you get a more fuel-efficient car.
Your mega-mileage car might be costing you $5/gallon in per-mile tax, but if you only buy two gallons per month, maybe it's no t so bad.All this being said, the whole idea of GPS tracking is horrible, of course.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543707</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543975</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>inviolet</author>
	<datestamp>1246468860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Oh, I'd love it if they did it during "emmissions checking." I live in Indiana, where we don't such a "big brother" concept.</p></div></blockquote><p>I'll bet in Indiana you also don't have such concepts as "multiple point source problem" or "tragedy of the commons".  Must be nice to live there, as you must not have problems with fraud or litter.
</p><p>On a more serious note, emissions controls are NOT a big brother issue at all.  They become a necessity in dense cities where, for example in Houston, 5\% of cars on the road were spewing out 90\% of the pollution.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I 'd love it if they did it during " emmissions checking .
" I live in Indiana , where we do n't such a " big brother " concept.I 'll bet in Indiana you also do n't have such concepts as " multiple point source problem " or " tragedy of the commons " .
Must be nice to live there , as you must not have problems with fraud or litter .
On a more serious note , emissions controls are NOT a big brother issue at all .
They become a necessity in dense cities where , for example in Houston , 5 \ % of cars on the road were spewing out 90 \ % of the pollution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I'd love it if they did it during "emmissions checking.
" I live in Indiana, where we don't such a "big brother" concept.I'll bet in Indiana you also don't have such concepts as "multiple point source problem" or "tragedy of the commons".
Must be nice to live there, as you must not have problems with fraud or litter.
On a more serious note, emissions controls are NOT a big brother issue at all.
They become a necessity in dense cities where, for example in Houston, 5\% of cars on the road were spewing out 90\% of the pollution.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547389</id>
	<title>Re:GPS Jammer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246479180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that your car probably won't start unless it can call up the NSA and tell them your location.  Oops.  Did I say NSA?  I meant the federal road tax people.  Yeah, that's it.</p><p>TIA - Tax In Auto</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that your car probably wo n't start unless it can call up the NSA and tell them your location .
Oops. Did I say NSA ?
I meant the federal road tax people .
Yeah , that 's it.TIA - Tax In Auto</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that your car probably won't start unless it can call up the NSA and tell them your location.
Oops.  Did I say NSA?
I meant the federal road tax people.
Yeah, that's it.TIA - Tax In Auto</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543245</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546279</id>
	<title>HYBRIDS are the reason</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246475460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They use less fuel. With the mandate for more fuel efficient vehicles, the level of consumption will decrease as will the revenue from a gas tax.. With the per mile tax it allows them to get revenue from any vehicle including a 100\% solar powered vehicle.   As usual it's just big government trying to cover all the bases and ensure that there are no loop holes the average Joe can use to save a buck.</p><p>So how long after will it be before they start requiring the GPS's on bicycles or even worse on each and every one of us?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They use less fuel .
With the mandate for more fuel efficient vehicles , the level of consumption will decrease as will the revenue from a gas tax.. With the per mile tax it allows them to get revenue from any vehicle including a 100 \ % solar powered vehicle .
As usual it 's just big government trying to cover all the bases and ensure that there are no loop holes the average Joe can use to save a buck.So how long after will it be before they start requiring the GPS 's on bicycles or even worse on each and every one of us ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They use less fuel.
With the mandate for more fuel efficient vehicles, the level of consumption will decrease as will the revenue from a gas tax.. With the per mile tax it allows them to get revenue from any vehicle including a 100\% solar powered vehicle.
As usual it's just big government trying to cover all the bases and ensure that there are no loop holes the average Joe can use to save a buck.So how long after will it be before they start requiring the GPS's on bicycles or even worse on each and every one of us?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545001</id>
	<title>Speaking of Traffic</title>
	<author>TooMad</author>
	<datestamp>1246471860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mileage isn't good way to generate tax revenue.  In your average medium sized town you could drive 15 miles to work and do it in 20 minutes.  Now take LA, Chicago, New York, or any other large city and it takes more than 20 minutes to drive a lot less than 15 miles.  Stop and go traffic and idling still consumes gas. It would be unfair to the individual at the very least to tax some poor guy in Montana $0.60 a day and the other guy in LA only $0.10 for their daily commute.  It would probably be more difficult to anticipate revenue for both since there isn't nearly as much data on average commute distances as there is for average gasoline consumption in a given area.  Finally you would have less of an incentive to drive a more fuel efficient car which would drive down efficient car sales and in turn slow down development of such cars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mileage is n't good way to generate tax revenue .
In your average medium sized town you could drive 15 miles to work and do it in 20 minutes .
Now take LA , Chicago , New York , or any other large city and it takes more than 20 minutes to drive a lot less than 15 miles .
Stop and go traffic and idling still consumes gas .
It would be unfair to the individual at the very least to tax some poor guy in Montana $ 0.60 a day and the other guy in LA only $ 0.10 for their daily commute .
It would probably be more difficult to anticipate revenue for both since there is n't nearly as much data on average commute distances as there is for average gasoline consumption in a given area .
Finally you would have less of an incentive to drive a more fuel efficient car which would drive down efficient car sales and in turn slow down development of such cars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mileage isn't good way to generate tax revenue.
In your average medium sized town you could drive 15 miles to work and do it in 20 minutes.
Now take LA, Chicago, New York, or any other large city and it takes more than 20 minutes to drive a lot less than 15 miles.
Stop and go traffic and idling still consumes gas.
It would be unfair to the individual at the very least to tax some poor guy in Montana $0.60 a day and the other guy in LA only $0.10 for their daily commute.
It would probably be more difficult to anticipate revenue for both since there isn't nearly as much data on average commute distances as there is for average gasoline consumption in a given area.
Finally you would have less of an incentive to drive a more fuel efficient car which would drive down efficient car sales and in turn slow down development of such cars.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547153</id>
	<title>I find it interesting (and scary)</title>
	<author>jackspenn</author>
	<datestamp>1246478340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I find it interesting and scary that in a story about using GPS to apply vehicle taxes, most posts are suggesting alternative forms of taxation.
<br> <br>
"Just raise the gasoline tax"
<br>
"Tax based on the odometer reading."
<br> <br>
Why isn't anybody posting a more sensible alternative?  "Government shouldn't raise our taxes while we are hurting and must spend within it's means."
<br> <br>
Governments should spend within their means just like people who bought too much home or ran up large credit card balances or have taken an income hit are now learning to live within their means.  Citizens are having to seriously cut back on expenses and for the first time in decades are starting to save money and/or pay down debt.
<br> <br>
So why shouldn't we demand that our government do the same?"  In CA the government said "we will cut some spending, but we also want to raise your taxes as well."  The people in CA said "No, stop raising taxes, focus on cutting more spending."  The CA government and the Federal government aren't getting it, yet.  However, we have to stand tall and tell our local, state and federal governments to not tax us anymore, to stop borrowing and to spend less.
<br> <br>
If they are getting less tax revenue because people have lost their jobs or are trying to pay down debt, how does it seem sensible to anybody on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. that government be allowed to raise taxes on those very people?
<br> <br>
If you are unemployed (or retired living on a fixed income) right now, does it make sense for the government to increase the cost of electricity, heating oil and gasoline on you right now?  If you are trying to pay down your student loans or car loan or credit card debt, does it make sense for government to take more of your income and impede your efforts?  If you are trying to sell you house, does it make sense for the government to increase taxes and in the process reduce the number of potential buyers with enough remaining income to afford your house?"
<br> <br>
THE SOLUTION IS TO FIGHT ALL INCREASED TAX INCREASES AND VOTE OUT SUPPORTERS OF THEM REGARDLESS OF PARTY.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it interesting and scary that in a story about using GPS to apply vehicle taxes , most posts are suggesting alternative forms of taxation .
" Just raise the gasoline tax " " Tax based on the odometer reading .
" Why is n't anybody posting a more sensible alternative ?
" Government should n't raise our taxes while we are hurting and must spend within it 's means .
" Governments should spend within their means just like people who bought too much home or ran up large credit card balances or have taken an income hit are now learning to live within their means .
Citizens are having to seriously cut back on expenses and for the first time in decades are starting to save money and/or pay down debt .
So why should n't we demand that our government do the same ?
" In CA the government said " we will cut some spending , but we also want to raise your taxes as well .
" The people in CA said " No , stop raising taxes , focus on cutting more spending .
" The CA government and the Federal government are n't getting it , yet .
However , we have to stand tall and tell our local , state and federal governments to not tax us anymore , to stop borrowing and to spend less .
If they are getting less tax revenue because people have lost their jobs or are trying to pay down debt , how does it seem sensible to anybody on / .
that government be allowed to raise taxes on those very people ?
If you are unemployed ( or retired living on a fixed income ) right now , does it make sense for the government to increase the cost of electricity , heating oil and gasoline on you right now ?
If you are trying to pay down your student loans or car loan or credit card debt , does it make sense for government to take more of your income and impede your efforts ?
If you are trying to sell you house , does it make sense for the government to increase taxes and in the process reduce the number of potential buyers with enough remaining income to afford your house ?
" THE SOLUTION IS TO FIGHT ALL INCREASED TAX INCREASES AND VOTE OUT SUPPORTERS OF THEM REGARDLESS OF PARTY .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it interesting and scary that in a story about using GPS to apply vehicle taxes, most posts are suggesting alternative forms of taxation.
"Just raise the gasoline tax"

"Tax based on the odometer reading.
"
 
Why isn't anybody posting a more sensible alternative?
"Government shouldn't raise our taxes while we are hurting and must spend within it's means.
"
 
Governments should spend within their means just like people who bought too much home or ran up large credit card balances or have taken an income hit are now learning to live within their means.
Citizens are having to seriously cut back on expenses and for the first time in decades are starting to save money and/or pay down debt.
So why shouldn't we demand that our government do the same?
"  In CA the government said "we will cut some spending, but we also want to raise your taxes as well.
"  The people in CA said "No, stop raising taxes, focus on cutting more spending.
"  The CA government and the Federal government aren't getting it, yet.
However, we have to stand tall and tell our local, state and federal governments to not tax us anymore, to stop borrowing and to spend less.
If they are getting less tax revenue because people have lost their jobs or are trying to pay down debt, how does it seem sensible to anybody on /.
that government be allowed to raise taxes on those very people?
If you are unemployed (or retired living on a fixed income) right now, does it make sense for the government to increase the cost of electricity, heating oil and gasoline on you right now?
If you are trying to pay down your student loans or car loan or credit card debt, does it make sense for government to take more of your income and impede your efforts?
If you are trying to sell you house, does it make sense for the government to increase taxes and in the process reduce the number of potential buyers with enough remaining income to afford your house?
"
 
THE SOLUTION IS TO FIGHT ALL INCREASED TAX INCREASES AND VOTE OUT SUPPORTERS OF THEM REGARDLESS OF PARTY.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544887</id>
	<title>Too Much Common Sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why not just continue to raise the fuel taxes to generate revenue?    That would serve to continue to reduce fuel consumption which would be a good thing.</p></div><p>I'm afraid that would make too much sense.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just continue to raise the fuel taxes to generate revenue ?
That would serve to continue to reduce fuel consumption which would be a good thing.I 'm afraid that would make too much sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just continue to raise the fuel taxes to generate revenue?
That would serve to continue to reduce fuel consumption which would be a good thing.I'm afraid that would make too much sense.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543855</id>
	<title>Emission Checking wouldn't work</title>
	<author>Laebshade</author>
	<datestamp>1246468560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least where I live.  Only the Atlanta/metro area require emissions checking.  Not required in the relatively small city I live in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least where I live .
Only the Atlanta/metro area require emissions checking .
Not required in the relatively small city I live in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least where I live.
Only the Atlanta/metro area require emissions checking.
Not required in the relatively small city I live in.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544493</id>
	<title>Common sense</title>
	<author>CopaceticOpus</author>
	<datestamp>1246470240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aside from the privacy issues, this strikes me as a foolish waste of resources. How many millions of dollars will be spent to install GPS units and to track and bill every driver? The money could be raised just as easily from a flat fuel tax, a system which is already in place with little overhead.</p><p>If more fuel efficient cars pay less tax, that simply encourages efficient cars, which is great. If electric cars get out of paying road tax, consider that a subsidy to encourage adoption of electric cars. If electric cars eventually become commonplace, then use electricity taxes for the roads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aside from the privacy issues , this strikes me as a foolish waste of resources .
How many millions of dollars will be spent to install GPS units and to track and bill every driver ?
The money could be raised just as easily from a flat fuel tax , a system which is already in place with little overhead.If more fuel efficient cars pay less tax , that simply encourages efficient cars , which is great .
If electric cars get out of paying road tax , consider that a subsidy to encourage adoption of electric cars .
If electric cars eventually become commonplace , then use electricity taxes for the roads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aside from the privacy issues, this strikes me as a foolish waste of resources.
How many millions of dollars will be spent to install GPS units and to track and bill every driver?
The money could be raised just as easily from a flat fuel tax, a system which is already in place with little overhead.If more fuel efficient cars pay less tax, that simply encourages efficient cars, which is great.
If electric cars get out of paying road tax, consider that a subsidy to encourage adoption of electric cars.
If electric cars eventually become commonplace, then use electricity taxes for the roads.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545075</id>
	<title>Road wear is fourth power of vehicle mass.</title>
	<author>earthworm2</author>
	<datestamp>1246471980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Road wear-and-tear is the <a href="http://cedb.asce.org/cgi/WWWdisplay.cgi?0201135" title="asce.org" rel="nofollow"> fourth power of vehicle mass</a> [asce.org].</p><p>Fuel usage is roughly correlated with vehicle mass.  It isn't perfect, but heavy cars  tend to use more fuel.</p><p>So they are starting with the fuel usage tax (roughly correlated with first power of vehicle mass).  If you really want to tax people for the damage they cause for roads, they should move towards a *greater* dependence on vehicle mass (towards fourth power).  Instead, they are moving in precisely the opposite direction.</p><p>This proposed change simply isn't rationale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Road wear-and-tear is the fourth power of vehicle mass [ asce.org ] .Fuel usage is roughly correlated with vehicle mass .
It is n't perfect , but heavy cars tend to use more fuel.So they are starting with the fuel usage tax ( roughly correlated with first power of vehicle mass ) .
If you really want to tax people for the damage they cause for roads , they should move towards a * greater * dependence on vehicle mass ( towards fourth power ) .
Instead , they are moving in precisely the opposite direction.This proposed change simply is n't rationale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Road wear-and-tear is the  fourth power of vehicle mass [asce.org].Fuel usage is roughly correlated with vehicle mass.
It isn't perfect, but heavy cars  tend to use more fuel.So they are starting with the fuel usage tax (roughly correlated with first power of vehicle mass).
If you really want to tax people for the damage they cause for roads, they should move towards a *greater* dependence on vehicle mass (towards fourth power).
Instead, they are moving in precisely the opposite direction.This proposed change simply isn't rationale.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544015</id>
	<title>Monopoly on driving surfaces required</title>
	<author>LuminaireX</author>
	<datestamp>1246468920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The government does not hold a monopoly on every driving surface on earth.  What about private driveways?  Unpaved roads? Tunnels?  Moreover, why GPS? You can get the same system with a publicly displayed odometer.</p><p>If this is ever mandated to be in a vehicle, I'll be wrapping that little bundle of joy in aluminum foil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The government does not hold a monopoly on every driving surface on earth .
What about private driveways ?
Unpaved roads ?
Tunnels ? Moreover , why GPS ?
You can get the same system with a publicly displayed odometer.If this is ever mandated to be in a vehicle , I 'll be wrapping that little bundle of joy in aluminum foil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The government does not hold a monopoly on every driving surface on earth.
What about private driveways?
Unpaved roads?
Tunnels?  Moreover, why GPS?
You can get the same system with a publicly displayed odometer.If this is ever mandated to be in a vehicle, I'll be wrapping that little bundle of joy in aluminum foil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28549287</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246441620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then they'll just make us put GPS on our bikes.</p><p>(Gotta love it: the captcha is "paranoid".)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then they 'll just make us put GPS on our bikes .
( Got ta love it : the captcha is " paranoid " .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then they'll just make us put GPS on our bikes.
(Gotta love it: the captcha is "paranoid".
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28548241</id>
	<title>NOT A CHANCE IN HELL.....</title>
	<author>IHC Navistar</author>
	<datestamp>1246481700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This idea is the perfect example of how a politician would execute the perfect political suicide.</p><p>This is simply a huge waste of money, as it has absolutely no chace of passing. This wouold be the perfect way o piss off the American people, an nobody wants to pay the government every single time they pull out of their driveway.</p><p>Plus, given the "Hacker Ethic" of gearheads, it'll be no time at all before someone figures out how to cheat the system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This idea is the perfect example of how a politician would execute the perfect political suicide.This is simply a huge waste of money , as it has absolutely no chace of passing .
This wouold be the perfect way o piss off the American people , an nobody wants to pay the government every single time they pull out of their driveway.Plus , given the " Hacker Ethic " of gearheads , it 'll be no time at all before someone figures out how to cheat the system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This idea is the perfect example of how a politician would execute the perfect political suicide.This is simply a huge waste of money, as it has absolutely no chace of passing.
This wouold be the perfect way o piss off the American people, an nobody wants to pay the government every single time they pull out of their driveway.Plus, given the "Hacker Ethic" of gearheads, it'll be no time at all before someone figures out how to cheat the system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543187</id>
	<title>old/weird cars?</title>
	<author>i.r.id10t</author>
	<datestamp>1246466580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I guess they will have exemptions for older cars, cars that have value in original condition and adding/changing something will reduce value, etc.</p><p>For example - what would happen to the value of my all original '65 Porsche 356 if a hole was cut in the dash, another in the body for the antenna, etc?  Not to mention running whatever they design off of a 44+ year old 6v electrical system...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I guess they will have exemptions for older cars , cars that have value in original condition and adding/changing something will reduce value , etc.For example - what would happen to the value of my all original '65 Porsche 356 if a hole was cut in the dash , another in the body for the antenna , etc ?
Not to mention running whatever they design off of a 44 + year old 6v electrical system.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I guess they will have exemptions for older cars, cars that have value in original condition and adding/changing something will reduce value, etc.For example - what would happen to the value of my all original '65 Porsche 356 if a hole was cut in the dash, another in the body for the antenna, etc?
Not to mention running whatever they design off of a 44+ year old 6v electrical system...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543673</id>
	<title>EZ-Pass already tracks me</title>
	<author>barzok</author>
	<datestamp>1246467900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>EZ-Pass already knows every time I get onto a toll road &amp; every time I get off. No GPS tracking, just a simple clock-in/clock out.</p><p>What really pisses me off about it is that my NY tolls don't just pay for my NY toll roads, they are also the primary revenue stream which pays for the canal system (the NY canal system is owned by the NY Thruway Authority).</p><p>The NYS Thruway was actually paid off over 15 years ago (the tolls were meant to cover the cost of construction), and was supposed to become free after that - instead, they're paying for maintenance <b>and</b> a totally unrelated line of "business".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>EZ-Pass already knows every time I get onto a toll road &amp; every time I get off .
No GPS tracking , just a simple clock-in/clock out.What really pisses me off about it is that my NY tolls do n't just pay for my NY toll roads , they are also the primary revenue stream which pays for the canal system ( the NY canal system is owned by the NY Thruway Authority ) .The NYS Thruway was actually paid off over 15 years ago ( the tolls were meant to cover the cost of construction ) , and was supposed to become free after that - instead , they 're paying for maintenance and a totally unrelated line of " business " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>EZ-Pass already knows every time I get onto a toll road &amp; every time I get off.
No GPS tracking, just a simple clock-in/clock out.What really pisses me off about it is that my NY tolls don't just pay for my NY toll roads, they are also the primary revenue stream which pays for the canal system (the NY canal system is owned by the NY Thruway Authority).The NYS Thruway was actually paid off over 15 years ago (the tolls were meant to cover the cost of construction), and was supposed to become free after that - instead, they're paying for maintenance and a totally unrelated line of "business".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543435</id>
	<title>GPS Simulator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would be putting together a GPS simulator system that would overload the real GPS signal.  This simulated signal would indicate that I never drive anywhere.  If you could access the antenna, you could pipe this signal in directly enabling other GPS based systems to still function.  I am sure that any engine running indicator signal could be spoofed as well.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be putting together a GPS simulator system that would overload the real GPS signal .
This simulated signal would indicate that I never drive anywhere .
If you could access the antenna , you could pipe this signal in directly enabling other GPS based systems to still function .
I am sure that any engine running indicator signal could be spoofed as well .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be putting together a GPS simulator system that would overload the real GPS signal.
This simulated signal would indicate that I never drive anywhere.
If you could access the antenna, you could pipe this signal in directly enabling other GPS based systems to still function.
I am sure that any engine running indicator signal could be spoofed as well.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543871</id>
	<title>Re:What about Oklahoma?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246468560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <em>We don't do shit to repair the roads as it is! </em> </p></div>
</blockquote><p>A truck damages roads between 10,000 to 30,000 times than a car.</p><p>The license for a truck <strong>**IS NOT**</strong> 10,000 to 30,000 times as expensive than a car&rsquo;s.</p><p>Heaven forbid the license rates for trucks be raised They might have to resort to &mdash; heaven forbid! &mdash; shipping by rail!!!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't do shit to repair the roads as it is !
A truck damages roads between 10,000 to 30,000 times than a car.The license for a truck * * IS NOT * * 10,000 to 30,000 times as expensive than a car    s.Heaven forbid the license rates for trucks be raised They might have to resort to    heaven forbid !
   shipping by rail ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext> We don't do shit to repair the roads as it is!
A truck damages roads between 10,000 to 30,000 times than a car.The license for a truck **IS NOT** 10,000 to 30,000 times as expensive than a car’s.Heaven forbid the license rates for trucks be raised They might have to resort to — heaven forbid!
— shipping by rail!!
!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543297</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544057</id>
	<title>Except They Won't Issue Speeding Tickets</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246469040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>We've had the technology for years for 100\% speeding enforcement. We don't use it because it'd kill this vital form of revenue. People would both change their behavior and make speed limits in various areas a top priority in state and local elections if they new that they'd get ticketed 100\% of the time when they were speeding. The current random approach keeps the whole issue under the radar of most people. Sure you might get a speeding ticket every few years, but it's not annoying enough to actually do anything about it.
<p>
What it <i>could</i> be used for though, would be in investigations and criminal cases where the state might be interested. For example, we could have figured out Sanford was having an affair much sooner if we'd had GPS tracking on him all the time. And you know it's only a matter of time before law enforcement starts watching the GPS data for patterns and flagging any deviation from daily patterns as suspicious and worthy of investigation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've had the technology for years for 100 \ % speeding enforcement .
We do n't use it because it 'd kill this vital form of revenue .
People would both change their behavior and make speed limits in various areas a top priority in state and local elections if they new that they 'd get ticketed 100 \ % of the time when they were speeding .
The current random approach keeps the whole issue under the radar of most people .
Sure you might get a speeding ticket every few years , but it 's not annoying enough to actually do anything about it .
What it could be used for though , would be in investigations and criminal cases where the state might be interested .
For example , we could have figured out Sanford was having an affair much sooner if we 'd had GPS tracking on him all the time .
And you know it 's only a matter of time before law enforcement starts watching the GPS data for patterns and flagging any deviation from daily patterns as suspicious and worthy of investigation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've had the technology for years for 100\% speeding enforcement.
We don't use it because it'd kill this vital form of revenue.
People would both change their behavior and make speed limits in various areas a top priority in state and local elections if they new that they'd get ticketed 100\% of the time when they were speeding.
The current random approach keeps the whole issue under the radar of most people.
Sure you might get a speeding ticket every few years, but it's not annoying enough to actually do anything about it.
What it could be used for though, would be in investigations and criminal cases where the state might be interested.
For example, we could have figured out Sanford was having an affair much sooner if we'd had GPS tracking on him all the time.
And you know it's only a matter of time before law enforcement starts watching the GPS data for patterns and flagging any deviation from daily patterns as suspicious and worthy of investigation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28548463</id>
	<title>The day after this goes into effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246439220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I tell my boss "You want to retain my services? Well, it's 100\% telework from now on, unless the company covers my commute tax... and by the way my hourly rates are going up, punitively..."</p><p>My real need to drive is practically nonexistent. My work doesn't require my physical presence. I can walk to groceries. I don't otherwise go out much or travel. Make driving even more expensive and burdensome? Go ahead, I won't drive. Where's your tax now? In your wallet? No? Where? Hmm? IN MY BANK ACCOUNT WHERE IT STAYS, MOTHER FUCKER</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I tell my boss " You want to retain my services ?
Well , it 's 100 \ % telework from now on , unless the company covers my commute tax... and by the way my hourly rates are going up , punitively... " My real need to drive is practically nonexistent .
My work does n't require my physical presence .
I can walk to groceries .
I do n't otherwise go out much or travel .
Make driving even more expensive and burdensome ?
Go ahead , I wo n't drive .
Where 's your tax now ?
In your wallet ?
No ? Where ?
Hmm ? IN MY BANK ACCOUNT WHERE IT STAYS , MOTHER FUCKER</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tell my boss "You want to retain my services?
Well, it's 100\% telework from now on, unless the company covers my commute tax... and by the way my hourly rates are going up, punitively..."My real need to drive is practically nonexistent.
My work doesn't require my physical presence.
I can walk to groceries.
I don't otherwise go out much or travel.
Make driving even more expensive and burdensome?
Go ahead, I won't drive.
Where's your tax now?
In your wallet?
No? Where?
Hmm? IN MY BANK ACCOUNT WHERE IT STAYS, MOTHER FUCKER</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28559591</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1246557180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would be nice, except the two parties in power will never approve it because they know it would give them more competition, which they don't want.</p><p>Not only that, but our third-party choices haven't been all that great, either, with a few exceptions like Ross Perot.  For instance, I frequently call myself "libertarian" because I believe in a lot more liberty than the two parties want us to have, but the Libertarian Party always runs extremist nutcases who think things like all roads should be privatized toll roads.  It seems like there's never a middle-of-the-road Centrist candidate; all you get are a bunch of highly extremist choices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be nice , except the two parties in power will never approve it because they know it would give them more competition , which they do n't want.Not only that , but our third-party choices have n't been all that great , either , with a few exceptions like Ross Perot .
For instance , I frequently call myself " libertarian " because I believe in a lot more liberty than the two parties want us to have , but the Libertarian Party always runs extremist nutcases who think things like all roads should be privatized toll roads .
It seems like there 's never a middle-of-the-road Centrist candidate ; all you get are a bunch of highly extremist choices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be nice, except the two parties in power will never approve it because they know it would give them more competition, which they don't want.Not only that, but our third-party choices haven't been all that great, either, with a few exceptions like Ross Perot.
For instance, I frequently call myself "libertarian" because I believe in a lot more liberty than the two parties want us to have, but the Libertarian Party always runs extremist nutcases who think things like all roads should be privatized toll roads.
It seems like there's never a middle-of-the-road Centrist candidate; all you get are a bunch of highly extremist choices.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28558653</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28550655</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>wellingj</author>
	<datestamp>1246446300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since when has the law limited the US government?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when has the law limited the US government ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when has the law limited the US government?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543425</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543523</id>
	<title>Costs should be dropping with revenues</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1246467540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, Big Brother, privacy, tracking, etc.  I agree that it's horrible for all those reasons.</p><p>Second, it's a load of crap.  Fuel consumption is roughly inversely proportional to weight, so on average, less fuel consumption means lighter vehicles.  Lighter vehicles means far less road damage.  I've heard (but not verified) that damage is proportional to weight to the 4th power, so if one vehicle weighs 20\% less than another, it'll cause about 40\% of the damage.  That makes at least intuitive sense, as at some point damage drops off to effectively zero.  How many bike riders would it take to destroy a highway as much as a single semi truck?</p><p>Isn't that a <em>good thing</em>? Except for new road building and repairs due to weather, I'd think that maintenance would drop dramatically as vehicles get lighter, and would in fact drop faster than the revenue from fuel tax.</p><p>BTW, remember yesterday's story about Amazon cutting off affiliates in Rhode Island, and people claiming that the fuel taxes paid by UPS and FedEx weren't used for road maintenance?  Yeah.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , Big Brother , privacy , tracking , etc .
I agree that it 's horrible for all those reasons.Second , it 's a load of crap .
Fuel consumption is roughly inversely proportional to weight , so on average , less fuel consumption means lighter vehicles .
Lighter vehicles means far less road damage .
I 've heard ( but not verified ) that damage is proportional to weight to the 4th power , so if one vehicle weighs 20 \ % less than another , it 'll cause about 40 \ % of the damage .
That makes at least intuitive sense , as at some point damage drops off to effectively zero .
How many bike riders would it take to destroy a highway as much as a single semi truck ? Is n't that a good thing ?
Except for new road building and repairs due to weather , I 'd think that maintenance would drop dramatically as vehicles get lighter , and would in fact drop faster than the revenue from fuel tax.BTW , remember yesterday 's story about Amazon cutting off affiliates in Rhode Island , and people claiming that the fuel taxes paid by UPS and FedEx were n't used for road maintenance ?
Yeah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, Big Brother, privacy, tracking, etc.
I agree that it's horrible for all those reasons.Second, it's a load of crap.
Fuel consumption is roughly inversely proportional to weight, so on average, less fuel consumption means lighter vehicles.
Lighter vehicles means far less road damage.
I've heard (but not verified) that damage is proportional to weight to the 4th power, so if one vehicle weighs 20\% less than another, it'll cause about 40\% of the damage.
That makes at least intuitive sense, as at some point damage drops off to effectively zero.
How many bike riders would it take to destroy a highway as much as a single semi truck?Isn't that a good thing?
Except for new road building and repairs due to weather, I'd think that maintenance would drop dramatically as vehicles get lighter, and would in fact drop faster than the revenue from fuel tax.BTW, remember yesterday's story about Amazon cutting off affiliates in Rhode Island, and people claiming that the fuel taxes paid by UPS and FedEx weren't used for road maintenance?
Yeah.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543935</id>
	<title>Re:Tracking vs. billing</title>
	<author>gid</author>
	<datestamp>1246468740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If cars are getting more efficient, then the tax just needs to be raised to go along with the increased average mpg for newer cars.</p><p>With that being said, it almost seems that cars aren't getting more fuel efficient.  The original Insight got 51 mpg according to consumer reports, and the new one gets something only like 38mpg. I remember my Dad bragging about his '85 Toyota Camry getting 42 mpg on the highway, try getting that in a Camry now.</p><p>Cars are heavier now, better crash ratings, more safety features, more luxury items, the new Insight has a back seat, etc.</p><p>Of course these are just a few examples, overall the efficiency may have gone up with less gas guzzlers, but from my limited experience with the cars I've been around, it's seems to be the reverse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If cars are getting more efficient , then the tax just needs to be raised to go along with the increased average mpg for newer cars.With that being said , it almost seems that cars are n't getting more fuel efficient .
The original Insight got 51 mpg according to consumer reports , and the new one gets something only like 38mpg .
I remember my Dad bragging about his '85 Toyota Camry getting 42 mpg on the highway , try getting that in a Camry now.Cars are heavier now , better crash ratings , more safety features , more luxury items , the new Insight has a back seat , etc.Of course these are just a few examples , overall the efficiency may have gone up with less gas guzzlers , but from my limited experience with the cars I 've been around , it 's seems to be the reverse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If cars are getting more efficient, then the tax just needs to be raised to go along with the increased average mpg for newer cars.With that being said, it almost seems that cars aren't getting more fuel efficient.
The original Insight got 51 mpg according to consumer reports, and the new one gets something only like 38mpg.
I remember my Dad bragging about his '85 Toyota Camry getting 42 mpg on the highway, try getting that in a Camry now.Cars are heavier now, better crash ratings, more safety features, more luxury items, the new Insight has a back seat, etc.Of course these are just a few examples, overall the efficiency may have gone up with less gas guzzlers, but from my limited experience with the cars I've been around, it's seems to be the reverse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543345</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28554847</id>
	<title>Re:Maybe I'll start a pool ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246567200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe a pool on how long it takes the government to realize they implemented the perfect per-person tracking system ever.<br>My bet is in the negatives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe a pool on how long it takes the government to realize they implemented the perfect per-person tracking system ever.My bet is in the negatives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe a pool on how long it takes the government to realize they implemented the perfect per-person tracking system ever.My bet is in the negatives.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543317</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547441</id>
	<title>Re:What about Oklahoma?</title>
	<author>FrankieBaby1986</author>
	<datestamp>1246479360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>haha, ya know what else sucks? In my township, every time they freshly pave a road, some dipshit goes "OH SHIT we forgot to put X there". Then the dig up part of the road, and make a nice fresh, uneven patch. WTF?</htmltext>
<tokenext>haha , ya know what else sucks ?
In my township , every time they freshly pave a road , some dipshit goes " OH SHIT we forgot to put X there " .
Then the dig up part of the road , and make a nice fresh , uneven patch .
WTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>haha, ya know what else sucks?
In my township, every time they freshly pave a road, some dipshit goes "OH SHIT we forgot to put X there".
Then the dig up part of the road, and make a nice fresh, uneven patch.
WTF?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28549953</id>
	<title>retirement sux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246443600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>well there goes retirement and my plans to haul my little hybrid around on a trailer behind my RV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>well there goes retirement and my plans to haul my little hybrid around on a trailer behind my RV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well there goes retirement and my plans to haul my little hybrid around on a trailer behind my RV.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543509</id>
	<title>Re:Reasonable!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but for us commuters who do 320 miles/day that's $3.20 to $6.40 in federal road tax per day!<br>I already pay enough in federal fuel tax in the gas I buy per day.</p><p>Don't think for one minute that a state won't revise their fuel tax to be a percentage of the fuel tax or<br>a piggyback tax.</p><p>And, once all the state and federal fuel taxes are removed, don't think for one minute that the fuel price will come down<br>since the gas companies now can raise/keep the fuel price at what it is currently, and get additional profits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but for us commuters who do 320 miles/day that 's $ 3.20 to $ 6.40 in federal road tax per day ! I already pay enough in federal fuel tax in the gas I buy per day.Do n't think for one minute that a state wo n't revise their fuel tax to be a percentage of the fuel tax ora piggyback tax.And , once all the state and federal fuel taxes are removed , do n't think for one minute that the fuel price will come downsince the gas companies now can raise/keep the fuel price at what it is currently , and get additional profits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but for us commuters who do 320 miles/day that's $3.20 to $6.40 in federal road tax per day!I already pay enough in federal fuel tax in the gas I buy per day.Don't think for one minute that a state won't revise their fuel tax to be a percentage of the fuel tax ora piggyback tax.And, once all the state and federal fuel taxes are removed, don't think for one minute that the fuel price will come downsince the gas companies now can raise/keep the fuel price at what it is currently, and get additional profits.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543217</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544505</id>
	<title>Answer: Public Transportation</title>
	<author>Gruff1002</author>
	<datestamp>1246470300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The government already subsidizes most forms of public transportation if more people would use it... But it also has to be more available and more easily accessible as it is in Europe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The government already subsidizes most forms of public transportation if more people would use it... But it also has to be more available and more easily accessible as it is in Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The government already subsidizes most forms of public transportation if more people would use it... But it also has to be more available and more easily accessible as it is in Europe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545701</id>
	<title>Politicians!</title>
	<author>failedlogic</author>
	<datestamp>1246473900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Politicians talk at a rate exceeding a mile-a-minute. I think this warrants a tax, especially when you consider the emissions. Can we GPS their lips?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Politicians talk at a rate exceeding a mile-a-minute .
I think this warrants a tax , especially when you consider the emissions .
Can we GPS their lips ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Politicians talk at a rate exceeding a mile-a-minute.
I think this warrants a tax, especially when you consider the emissions.
Can we GPS their lips?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28554487</id>
	<title>Re:faraday cage anyone?</title>
	<author>Hordeking</author>
	<datestamp>1246476720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just find where the receiver/transceiver is and pop on a Faraday Cage.</p><p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday\_cage" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday\_cage</a> [wikipedia.org] </p><p>
Or, since the antenna would need to be somewhat exposed, just make a "sleeve" that blocks RF?</p><p>
Just as a show of good faith, leave it off for trips to work and pop it on during long trips?  Or just leave it on and claim you're a hermit?</p></div><p>I was thinking the same thing, but wouldn't it be simpler to simply break the antenna, and/or overpower the receiver with some DC power?<br> <br>

If someone wanted a little project, and it didn't prevent the vehicle from working, why not just uninstall the GPS? Of course, they'll probably make it some kind of federal felony like it is with odometer tampering to do this sort of thing.<br> <br>

Another thought: How would it report back?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just find where the receiver/transceiver is and pop on a Faraday Cage .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday \ _cage [ wikipedia.org ] Or , since the antenna would need to be somewhat exposed , just make a " sleeve " that blocks RF ?
Just as a show of good faith , leave it off for trips to work and pop it on during long trips ?
Or just leave it on and claim you 're a hermit ? I was thinking the same thing , but would n't it be simpler to simply break the antenna , and/or overpower the receiver with some DC power ?
If someone wanted a little project , and it did n't prevent the vehicle from working , why not just uninstall the GPS ?
Of course , they 'll probably make it some kind of federal felony like it is with odometer tampering to do this sort of thing .
Another thought : How would it report back ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just find where the receiver/transceiver is and pop on a Faraday Cage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday\_cage [wikipedia.org] 
Or, since the antenna would need to be somewhat exposed, just make a "sleeve" that blocks RF?
Just as a show of good faith, leave it off for trips to work and pop it on during long trips?
Or just leave it on and claim you're a hermit?I was thinking the same thing, but wouldn't it be simpler to simply break the antenna, and/or overpower the receiver with some DC power?
If someone wanted a little project, and it didn't prevent the vehicle from working, why not just uninstall the GPS?
Of course, they'll probably make it some kind of federal felony like it is with odometer tampering to do this sort of thing.
Another thought: How would it report back?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543477</id>
	<title>Re:Reasonable!</title>
	<author>brainboyz</author>
	<datestamp>1246467420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're an idiot with no concept of freedom or the limitless bounds of government corruption.</p><p>-The system will be abused.<br>-The money won't go to what you hope it will.<br>-That would quadruple the transportation tax for many people (I pay $0.005/mile or so with current gas taxes).<br>-If I feel the need to drive "excessively" by your definition, what makes you think you have the right to impose a deterrent on me?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're an idiot with no concept of freedom or the limitless bounds of government corruption.-The system will be abused.-The money wo n't go to what you hope it will.-That would quadruple the transportation tax for many people ( I pay $ 0.005/mile or so with current gas taxes ) .-If I feel the need to drive " excessively " by your definition , what makes you think you have the right to impose a deterrent on me ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're an idiot with no concept of freedom or the limitless bounds of government corruption.-The system will be abused.-The money won't go to what you hope it will.-That would quadruple the transportation tax for many people (I pay $0.005/mile or so with current gas taxes).-If I feel the need to drive "excessively" by your definition, what makes you think you have the right to impose a deterrent on me?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543217</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545475</id>
	<title>Boy, are they confused!</title>
	<author>hazydave</author>
	<datestamp>1246473180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, so to re-state the obvious... it's a GPS <i>and</i> a cellular modem... so that's a monthly fee to someone, unless they set aside some government bandwidth, and a huge network of radios, to receive these monthly reports. They would need this, because, if the receivers were short range and small in number, they would shortly be available on maps for your navigation GPS, just like traffic cameras.</p><p>But that's not even thinking creatively.. have these guys ever actually used a GPS? Sure, they're pretty good at pulling in those -100dBm GPS signals these days, but that wouldn't be the case when everyone's buying little 1mW 1575.42 MHz/1227.6 MHz jammers to totally block the GPS.</p><p>They also seem to know nothing about the Chevy Volt... it's a series plug-in hybrid. After about 40 miles (which is probably more like 30miles with the AC or heat on) the engine kicks in... they will use petrol. And not only that, but as we're trying to move to greener technology, we ought to be increasing taxes on those who aren't following.</p><p>This should be done like local property taxes. The tax assessor rates your home price in dollars, but it might as well just be gold-pressed latinum, the numbers are meaningless. It's only the relative value of your property vs. your neighbors. They add up all the value, figure out what they need in tax, and do a little math to calculate the "tax per dollar".</p><p>Similarly, they ought to float the gasoline/diesel taxes based on the total consumption vs. the total cash they expect to bring in... at least as long as gasoline remains a significant fuel (and obviously, different taxes may be applied, to electric power, ethanol, H2, whatever, based on Uncle Sam's desire to see that fuel replace dino-juice). That way, over time, those clinging to the past will find it more expensive to do so... which is precisely the effect we should want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , so to re-state the obvious... it 's a GPS and a cellular modem... so that 's a monthly fee to someone , unless they set aside some government bandwidth , and a huge network of radios , to receive these monthly reports .
They would need this , because , if the receivers were short range and small in number , they would shortly be available on maps for your navigation GPS , just like traffic cameras.But that 's not even thinking creatively.. have these guys ever actually used a GPS ?
Sure , they 're pretty good at pulling in those -100dBm GPS signals these days , but that would n't be the case when everyone 's buying little 1mW 1575.42 MHz/1227.6 MHz jammers to totally block the GPS.They also seem to know nothing about the Chevy Volt... it 's a series plug-in hybrid .
After about 40 miles ( which is probably more like 30miles with the AC or heat on ) the engine kicks in... they will use petrol .
And not only that , but as we 're trying to move to greener technology , we ought to be increasing taxes on those who are n't following.This should be done like local property taxes .
The tax assessor rates your home price in dollars , but it might as well just be gold-pressed latinum , the numbers are meaningless .
It 's only the relative value of your property vs. your neighbors .
They add up all the value , figure out what they need in tax , and do a little math to calculate the " tax per dollar " .Similarly , they ought to float the gasoline/diesel taxes based on the total consumption vs. the total cash they expect to bring in... at least as long as gasoline remains a significant fuel ( and obviously , different taxes may be applied , to electric power , ethanol , H2 , whatever , based on Uncle Sam 's desire to see that fuel replace dino-juice ) .
That way , over time , those clinging to the past will find it more expensive to do so... which is precisely the effect we should want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, so to re-state the obvious... it's a GPS and a cellular modem... so that's a monthly fee to someone, unless they set aside some government bandwidth, and a huge network of radios, to receive these monthly reports.
They would need this, because, if the receivers were short range and small in number, they would shortly be available on maps for your navigation GPS, just like traffic cameras.But that's not even thinking creatively.. have these guys ever actually used a GPS?
Sure, they're pretty good at pulling in those -100dBm GPS signals these days, but that wouldn't be the case when everyone's buying little 1mW 1575.42 MHz/1227.6 MHz jammers to totally block the GPS.They also seem to know nothing about the Chevy Volt... it's a series plug-in hybrid.
After about 40 miles (which is probably more like 30miles with the AC or heat on) the engine kicks in... they will use petrol.
And not only that, but as we're trying to move to greener technology, we ought to be increasing taxes on those who aren't following.This should be done like local property taxes.
The tax assessor rates your home price in dollars, but it might as well just be gold-pressed latinum, the numbers are meaningless.
It's only the relative value of your property vs. your neighbors.
They add up all the value, figure out what they need in tax, and do a little math to calculate the "tax per dollar".Similarly, they ought to float the gasoline/diesel taxes based on the total consumption vs. the total cash they expect to bring in... at least as long as gasoline remains a significant fuel (and obviously, different taxes may be applied, to electric power, ethanol, H2, whatever, based on Uncle Sam's desire to see that fuel replace dino-juice).
That way, over time, those clinging to the past will find it more expensive to do so... which is precisely the effect we should want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545083</id>
	<title>channelling Instapundit...</title>
	<author>bnenning</author>
	<datestamp>1246472040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They told me that if I voted for McCain the government would end up tracking my every move. And they were right!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They told me that if I voted for McCain the government would end up tracking my every move .
And they were right !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They told me that if I voted for McCain the government would end up tracking my every move.
And they were right!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544083</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>james\_shoemaker</author>
	<datestamp>1246469100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car. </i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Not sure where you live, there aren't any toll roads around me so nobody has an EX-pass equivalent.  So MOST is a bit of an exaggeration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car .
    Not sure where you live , there are n't any toll roads around me so nobody has an EX-pass equivalent .
So MOST is a bit of an exaggeration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car.
    Not sure where you live, there aren't any toll roads around me so nobody has an EX-pass equivalent.
So MOST is a bit of an exaggeration.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546599</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246476420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I work for the DoD. </p></div><p>No you don't.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> There are those of us that work on "black" projects that have covert everything, including travel.  It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been, either personal or rental, for an enemy agent to exploit.  If there's a meeting of folks hammering out the requirements for a new fighter jet or littoral cruiser, who goes to the meeting, where the meeting was, what time the meeting was, etc. are all way too valuable to be recorded.</p><p>No, this idea is a non-starter for National security reasons.  We won't even talk about organized crime getting ahold of it in order to track likely kidnap candidates' usual movements.</p></div><p>Hey, "DoD guy", I bet when you go travel on one of your "black ops", your alien overfiend commanders will be able requisition a car for you <i>without the alien overfiend mandated gps devices</i>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for the DoD .
No you do n't .
There are those of us that work on " black " projects that have covert everything , including travel .
It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been , either personal or rental , for an enemy agent to exploit .
If there 's a meeting of folks hammering out the requirements for a new fighter jet or littoral cruiser , who goes to the meeting , where the meeting was , what time the meeting was , etc .
are all way too valuable to be recorded.No , this idea is a non-starter for National security reasons .
We wo n't even talk about organized crime getting ahold of it in order to track likely kidnap candidates ' usual movements.Hey , " DoD guy " , I bet when you go travel on one of your " black ops " , your alien overfiend commanders will be able requisition a car for you without the alien overfiend mandated gps devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for the DoD.
No you don't.
There are those of us that work on "black" projects that have covert everything, including travel.
It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been, either personal or rental, for an enemy agent to exploit.
If there's a meeting of folks hammering out the requirements for a new fighter jet or littoral cruiser, who goes to the meeting, where the meeting was, what time the meeting was, etc.
are all way too valuable to be recorded.No, this idea is a non-starter for National security reasons.
We won't even talk about organized crime getting ahold of it in order to track likely kidnap candidates' usual movements.Hey, "DoD guy", I bet when you go travel on one of your "black ops", your alien overfiend commanders will be able requisition a car for you without the alien overfiend mandated gps devices.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543425</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543707</id>
	<title>Calculations am I making a mistake</title>
	<author>Buzz\_Litebeer</author>
	<datestamp>1246468020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>at 26 mpg (what i get) at 18.5 cents a gallon it means that you spend 71.115 cents per 100 miles.</p><p>If its a 1 cent a mile then you spend 1 dollar per mile (100 cents)</p><p>If its  2 cent a mile you spend 2 dollars per mile.</p><p>Which means that for a car at 26 MPG the current system is almost 42\% more  tax burden at 1 cent tax and 280 \% at 2 cents?</p><p>Why, other than the privacy concerns, would America want this if it was completely benign (and they never used it to watch you).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>at 26 mpg ( what i get ) at 18.5 cents a gallon it means that you spend 71.115 cents per 100 miles.If its a 1 cent a mile then you spend 1 dollar per mile ( 100 cents ) If its 2 cent a mile you spend 2 dollars per mile.Which means that for a car at 26 MPG the current system is almost 42 \ % more tax burden at 1 cent tax and 280 \ % at 2 cents ? Why , other than the privacy concerns , would America want this if it was completely benign ( and they never used it to watch you ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at 26 mpg (what i get) at 18.5 cents a gallon it means that you spend 71.115 cents per 100 miles.If its a 1 cent a mile then you spend 1 dollar per mile (100 cents)If its  2 cent a mile you spend 2 dollars per mile.Which means that for a car at 26 MPG the current system is almost 42\% more  tax burden at 1 cent tax and 280 \% at 2 cents?Why, other than the privacy concerns, would America want this if it was completely benign (and they never used it to watch you).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544513</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246470300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is this "bicycle" that you speak of? Does it have a big engine? Is it a V8?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is this " bicycle " that you speak of ?
Does it have a big engine ?
Is it a V8 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is this "bicycle" that you speak of?
Does it have a big engine?
Is it a V8?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543317</id>
	<title>Maybe I'll start a pool ...</title>
	<author>richg74</author>
	<datestamp>1246466940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is anyone else interested in making bets on how long a system like this will take to be hacked?   But then, it will be OK -- the politicians can crow about how much they've reduced carbon emissions, as "proved" by the large decrease in miles driven!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is anyone else interested in making bets on how long a system like this will take to be hacked ?
But then , it will be OK -- the politicians can crow about how much they 've reduced carbon emissions , as " proved " by the large decrease in miles driven !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is anyone else interested in making bets on how long a system like this will take to be hacked?
But then, it will be OK -- the politicians can crow about how much they've reduced carbon emissions, as "proved" by the large decrease in miles driven!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547097</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>LanMan04</author>
	<datestamp>1246478160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a lot of places that don't do ANY emissions testing.  That's predominately a large-urban-area thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a lot of places that do n't do ANY emissions testing .
That 's predominately a large-urban-area thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a lot of places that don't do ANY emissions testing.
That's predominately a large-urban-area thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546699</id>
	<title>Over Double the cost?</title>
	<author>djrosen</author>
	<datestamp>1246476780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fill my tank once a week @10 gallons *<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.185 cents * 52 weeks = $96.20 per year under current taxation. I drive 15,000 miles per year. Lets call it 1.5 cents for the new tax, (15,000 *  $0.015 per mile) that's $225 per year best case. Gotta love politicos. Something is going away so lets not just figure out a way to get it back, lets get double, the sheeple will never notice</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fill my tank once a week @ 10 gallons * .185 cents * 52 weeks = $ 96.20 per year under current taxation .
I drive 15,000 miles per year .
Lets call it 1.5 cents for the new tax , ( 15,000 * $ 0.015 per mile ) that 's $ 225 per year best case .
Got ta love politicos .
Something is going away so lets not just figure out a way to get it back , lets get double , the sheeple will never notice</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fill my tank once a week @10 gallons * .185 cents * 52 weeks = $96.20 per year under current taxation.
I drive 15,000 miles per year.
Lets call it 1.5 cents for the new tax, (15,000 *  $0.015 per mile) that's $225 per year best case.
Gotta love politicos.
Something is going away so lets not just figure out a way to get it back, lets get double, the sheeple will never notice</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545151</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>Solandri</author>
	<datestamp>1246472220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Way to double, triple, or more the gas tax without looking like it.</p></div></blockquote><p>
This, I think, is the Achilles' heel of democracy.  So much effort is put into disguising and sugar-coating things so the public will accept them, that you end up with a convoluted mess where it's nearly impossible to quickly and easily tell exactly what the cost of doing one thing vs. another thing are.
<br> <br>
If it were just a gas tax, I could figure out how much gas my vehicle would use in a moth, and multiply that by the tax.  But instead, I have to do that, multiply the miles driven by another tax, estimate what proportion of my driving will be on toll roads, add in some other tax based on the type of vehicle I have, etc., then add it all together to figure out how much it's gonna cost me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Way to double , triple , or more the gas tax without looking like it .
This , I think , is the Achilles ' heel of democracy .
So much effort is put into disguising and sugar-coating things so the public will accept them , that you end up with a convoluted mess where it 's nearly impossible to quickly and easily tell exactly what the cost of doing one thing vs. another thing are .
If it were just a gas tax , I could figure out how much gas my vehicle would use in a moth , and multiply that by the tax .
But instead , I have to do that , multiply the miles driven by another tax , estimate what proportion of my driving will be on toll roads , add in some other tax based on the type of vehicle I have , etc. , then add it all together to figure out how much it 's gon na cost me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way to double, triple, or more the gas tax without looking like it.
This, I think, is the Achilles' heel of democracy.
So much effort is put into disguising and sugar-coating things so the public will accept them, that you end up with a convoluted mess where it's nearly impossible to quickly and easily tell exactly what the cost of doing one thing vs. another thing are.
If it were just a gas tax, I could figure out how much gas my vehicle would use in a moth, and multiply that by the tax.
But instead, I have to do that, multiply the miles driven by another tax, estimate what proportion of my driving will be on toll roads, add in some other tax based on the type of vehicle I have, etc., then add it all together to figure out how much it's gonna cost me.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543333</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545597</id>
	<title>More money for our precious gommint...</title>
	<author>interval1066</author>
	<datestamp>1246473540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Time to dust off the old bike.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to dust off the old bike .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to dust off the old bike.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543807</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1246468380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet another symptom of how the government has forgotten it exists to SERVE We The People; contrary to the direction of current policies, We The People don't exist solely to be the government's revenue stream!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another symptom of how the government has forgotten it exists to SERVE We The People ; contrary to the direction of current policies , We The People do n't exist solely to be the government 's revenue stream !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another symptom of how the government has forgotten it exists to SERVE We The People; contrary to the direction of current policies, We The People don't exist solely to be the government's revenue stream!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543333</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543469</id>
	<title>Do the simple thing</title>
	<author>Geoffrey.landis</author>
	<datestamp>1246467360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's idiotic.
</p><p>Just put a tax on gasoline.  Cars that use more fossil fuel and polute more will pay more.  Simple.
</p><p>At the moment, federal gas taxes don't even pay for the highway subsidies, much less paying for oil infrastructure and other things-- income taxes are subsidizing our roads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's idiotic .
Just put a tax on gasoline .
Cars that use more fossil fuel and polute more will pay more .
Simple . At the moment , federal gas taxes do n't even pay for the highway subsidies , much less paying for oil infrastructure and other things-- income taxes are subsidizing our roads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's idiotic.
Just put a tax on gasoline.
Cars that use more fossil fuel and polute more will pay more.
Simple.
At the moment, federal gas taxes don't even pay for the highway subsidies, much less paying for oil infrastructure and other things-- income taxes are subsidizing our roads.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544143</id>
	<title>Re:Great Idea</title>
	<author>Philosinfinity</author>
	<datestamp>1246469220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Illinois, the tollway system was brought forth for initial construction of roads, only.  The idea was that once tolls had paid for the road construction, the tollway would be given over to IDOT and tolls would be removed.  However, with the realization of how much money could be genereated from tolls, they were kept in place citing utilization of toll funds for upkeep and maintenance.

Considering this, I think your post brings up an interesting point.  Besides all the other issues with this plan, do they expect me to pay for tolls plus a mileage tax for driving on the toll road?  In essence, this would generate a dual taxation against the same mileage driven.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Illinois , the tollway system was brought forth for initial construction of roads , only .
The idea was that once tolls had paid for the road construction , the tollway would be given over to IDOT and tolls would be removed .
However , with the realization of how much money could be genereated from tolls , they were kept in place citing utilization of toll funds for upkeep and maintenance .
Considering this , I think your post brings up an interesting point .
Besides all the other issues with this plan , do they expect me to pay for tolls plus a mileage tax for driving on the toll road ?
In essence , this would generate a dual taxation against the same mileage driven .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Illinois, the tollway system was brought forth for initial construction of roads, only.
The idea was that once tolls had paid for the road construction, the tollway would be given over to IDOT and tolls would be removed.
However, with the realization of how much money could be genereated from tolls, they were kept in place citing utilization of toll funds for upkeep and maintenance.
Considering this, I think your post brings up an interesting point.
Besides all the other issues with this plan, do they expect me to pay for tolls plus a mileage tax for driving on the toll road?
In essence, this would generate a dual taxation against the same mileage driven.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543245</id>
	<title>GPS Jammer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246466820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here I was just wondering what kind of a job I'd need to have in order to need one of these:
<a href="http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8758" title="dealextreme.com">http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8758</a> [dealextreme.com]
$33 for a GPS blocker/jammer seems like it'd be a lot cheaper than paying tolls.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here I was just wondering what kind of a job I 'd need to have in order to need one of these : http : //dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8758 [ dealextreme.com ] $ 33 for a GPS blocker/jammer seems like it 'd be a lot cheaper than paying tolls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here I was just wondering what kind of a job I'd need to have in order to need one of these:
http://dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8758 [dealextreme.com]
$33 for a GPS blocker/jammer seems like it'd be a lot cheaper than paying tolls.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543531</id>
	<title>Re:Reasonable!</title>
	<author>Em Emalb</author>
	<datestamp>1246467600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure.  It'll <i>start</i> out "reasonable"...and in the end, it'll be another "based off how much you earn" bullshit tax.  I'm guessing most middle class americans will end up in the 20\%-30\% range.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure .
It 'll start out " reasonable " ...and in the end , it 'll be another " based off how much you earn " bullshit tax .
I 'm guessing most middle class americans will end up in the 20 \ % -30 \ % range .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure.
It'll start out "reasonable"...and in the end, it'll be another "based off how much you earn" bullshit tax.
I'm guessing most middle class americans will end up in the 20\%-30\% range.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544009</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1246468920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Oh, I'd love it if they did it during "emmissions checking." I live in Indiana, where we don't such a "big brother" concept.</i></p><p>You can damn well bet Indiana will <i>start</i> believing in them, even if they don't actually do any emissions testing and are only checking to make sure your GPS device still works and is accurately reporting how much money you're going to be giving them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I 'd love it if they did it during " emmissions checking .
" I live in Indiana , where we do n't such a " big brother " concept.You can damn well bet Indiana will start believing in them , even if they do n't actually do any emissions testing and are only checking to make sure your GPS device still works and is accurately reporting how much money you 're going to be giving them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I'd love it if they did it during "emmissions checking.
" I live in Indiana, where we don't such a "big brother" concept.You can damn well bet Indiana will start believing in them, even if they don't actually do any emissions testing and are only checking to make sure your GPS device still works and is accurately reporting how much money you're going to be giving them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543349</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543333</id>
	<title>Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>jnaujok</author>
	<datestamp>1246467000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See, the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax, which is 18.5 cents a gallon.</p><p>But, since we're going to mandate that all cars get 35 miles per gallon, and then we charge 1 to 2 cents (and it'll be two cents, if not four by the time it gets passed), then that means we've effectively upped the gas tax to between 35 and 70 cents a gallon (or $1.40 by four cents a mile). And the great part is that, just like income tax, they won't see the per gallon increase, they just get a bill at the end of the month that they have to pay.</p><p>Way to double, triple, or more the gas tax without looking like it.</p><p>Also, by the law of unintended consequences, by removing the tax from the gas, it makes it more cost effective to buy an older, cheaper gas guzzler, than a new, expensive, hybrid car. Thanks for destroying the environment, morons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See , the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax , which is 18.5 cents a gallon.But , since we 're going to mandate that all cars get 35 miles per gallon , and then we charge 1 to 2 cents ( and it 'll be two cents , if not four by the time it gets passed ) , then that means we 've effectively upped the gas tax to between 35 and 70 cents a gallon ( or $ 1.40 by four cents a mile ) .
And the great part is that , just like income tax , they wo n't see the per gallon increase , they just get a bill at the end of the month that they have to pay.Way to double , triple , or more the gas tax without looking like it.Also , by the law of unintended consequences , by removing the tax from the gas , it makes it more cost effective to buy an older , cheaper gas guzzler , than a new , expensive , hybrid car .
Thanks for destroying the environment , morons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax, which is 18.5 cents a gallon.But, since we're going to mandate that all cars get 35 miles per gallon, and then we charge 1 to 2 cents (and it'll be two cents, if not four by the time it gets passed), then that means we've effectively upped the gas tax to between 35 and 70 cents a gallon (or $1.40 by four cents a mile).
And the great part is that, just like income tax, they won't see the per gallon increase, they just get a bill at the end of the month that they have to pay.Way to double, triple, or more the gas tax without looking like it.Also, by the law of unintended consequences, by removing the tax from the gas, it makes it more cost effective to buy an older, cheaper gas guzzler, than a new, expensive, hybrid car.
Thanks for destroying the environment, morons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28553505</id>
	<title>Re:Or...</title>
	<author>sincewhen</author>
	<datestamp>1246464780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But you are thinking about this the wrong way. Their revenue base is eroding as people move to more fuel-efficient (and eventually electric) cars.
<br> <br>
They want revenue to increase, not decrease.
<br> <br>
Thus this is the initial planning for a non-fuel dependent income stream.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But you are thinking about this the wrong way .
Their revenue base is eroding as people move to more fuel-efficient ( and eventually electric ) cars .
They want revenue to increase , not decrease .
Thus this is the initial planning for a non-fuel dependent income stream .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But you are thinking about this the wrong way.
Their revenue base is eroding as people move to more fuel-efficient (and eventually electric) cars.
They want revenue to increase, not decrease.
Thus this is the initial planning for a non-fuel dependent income stream.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543309</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545647</id>
	<title>Some math</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246473720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I got insurance for my car, the form asked for an estimate of how many miles I expected to drive in a year.  At the bottom, it said normal drivers average about 12,000 miles per year.  While I thought that number seemed a little low, I'll use that here.  1 to 2 cents per mile, for 12,000 miles, is $120-$240 per year.  Compared to the system we have now: 12,000 miles/22 mpg* = 545 gallons.  According to this site: <a href="http://www.factsonfuel.org/images/pdf/Gasoline\_Taxes\_Map\_Jan-2009.pdf" title="factsonfuel.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.factsonfuel.org/images/pdf/Gasoline\_Taxes\_Map\_Jan-2009.pdf</a> [factsonfuel.org], I have to pay 38.4 cents per gallon of fuel for tax in Texas.  That is $209.

If I drive 15,000 miles per year, which I think is a better estimate, then the road tax would be $150-$300, while the gas tax would be $261.  Of course, these numbers would change depending on your own tax rates, fuel efficiency, and driving habits.  But for me, it looks like the road tax is somewhat in the range of the gas tax, especially if the rate ends up being closer to 1 penny per gallon instead of 2.


*The average fuel efficiency of my car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I got insurance for my car , the form asked for an estimate of how many miles I expected to drive in a year .
At the bottom , it said normal drivers average about 12,000 miles per year .
While I thought that number seemed a little low , I 'll use that here .
1 to 2 cents per mile , for 12,000 miles , is $ 120- $ 240 per year .
Compared to the system we have now : 12,000 miles/22 mpg * = 545 gallons .
According to this site : http : //www.factsonfuel.org/images/pdf/Gasoline \ _Taxes \ _Map \ _Jan-2009.pdf [ factsonfuel.org ] , I have to pay 38.4 cents per gallon of fuel for tax in Texas .
That is $ 209 .
If I drive 15,000 miles per year , which I think is a better estimate , then the road tax would be $ 150- $ 300 , while the gas tax would be $ 261 .
Of course , these numbers would change depending on your own tax rates , fuel efficiency , and driving habits .
But for me , it looks like the road tax is somewhat in the range of the gas tax , especially if the rate ends up being closer to 1 penny per gallon instead of 2 .
* The average fuel efficiency of my car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I got insurance for my car, the form asked for an estimate of how many miles I expected to drive in a year.
At the bottom, it said normal drivers average about 12,000 miles per year.
While I thought that number seemed a little low, I'll use that here.
1 to 2 cents per mile, for 12,000 miles, is $120-$240 per year.
Compared to the system we have now: 12,000 miles/22 mpg* = 545 gallons.
According to this site: http://www.factsonfuel.org/images/pdf/Gasoline\_Taxes\_Map\_Jan-2009.pdf [factsonfuel.org], I have to pay 38.4 cents per gallon of fuel for tax in Texas.
That is $209.
If I drive 15,000 miles per year, which I think is a better estimate, then the road tax would be $150-$300, while the gas tax would be $261.
Of course, these numbers would change depending on your own tax rates, fuel efficiency, and driving habits.
But for me, it looks like the road tax is somewhat in the range of the gas tax, especially if the rate ends up being closer to 1 penny per gallon instead of 2.
*The average fuel efficiency of my car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544151</id>
	<title>Re:Great Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246469280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup... gps not only knows where you were but how fast you were travelling while you were there...</p><p>Welcome to a big stack of speeding tickets in with your monthly road tax bill....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup... gps not only knows where you were but how fast you were travelling while you were there...Welcome to a big stack of speeding tickets in with your monthly road tax bill... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup... gps not only knows where you were but how fast you were travelling while you were there...Welcome to a big stack of speeding tickets in with your monthly road tax bill....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543985</id>
	<title>johnny126</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246468860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not use odometer? It can be tampered with, but same goes for GPS. It probably won't be to hard to disconnect or jamm.<br>You can easily google something...<br>http://www.ladyada.net/make/wavebubble/<br>http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2007/01/29/homemade-gps-jammer<br>I know with GPS they can make difference in tax based on roads driven, but they don't do this now and it is not big deal.</p><p>What worries me more is that they'll know where I was, when I was there and everyhing else. Who will control that information?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not use odometer ?
It can be tampered with , but same goes for GPS .
It probably wo n't be to hard to disconnect or jamm.You can easily google something...http : //www.ladyada.net/make/wavebubble/http : //www.navigadget.com/index.php/2007/01/29/homemade-gps-jammerI know with GPS they can make difference in tax based on roads driven , but they do n't do this now and it is not big deal.What worries me more is that they 'll know where I was , when I was there and everyhing else .
Who will control that information ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not use odometer?
It can be tampered with, but same goes for GPS.
It probably won't be to hard to disconnect or jamm.You can easily google something...http://www.ladyada.net/make/wavebubble/http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2007/01/29/homemade-gps-jammerI know with GPS they can make difference in tax based on roads driven, but they don't do this now and it is not big deal.What worries me more is that they'll know where I was, when I was there and everyhing else.
Who will control that information?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544929</id>
	<title>Raise the gas tax, stupid.</title>
	<author>Jawn98685</author>
	<datestamp>1246471620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Revenues are falling because people buy/use less gas. (debatable, but let's just say...)<br>
Roadway maintenance and other costs are going up.<br>
Fine. Raise the gas tax to the point where revenue is adequate. Econo-car drivers still get a break, gas-hog drivers don't. So what's the problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Revenues are falling because people buy/use less gas .
( debatable , but let 's just say... ) Roadway maintenance and other costs are going up .
Fine. Raise the gas tax to the point where revenue is adequate .
Econo-car drivers still get a break , gas-hog drivers do n't .
So what 's the problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Revenues are falling because people buy/use less gas.
(debatable, but let's just say...)
Roadway maintenance and other costs are going up.
Fine. Raise the gas tax to the point where revenue is adequate.
Econo-car drivers still get a break, gas-hog drivers don't.
So what's the problem?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545257</id>
	<title>Re:GPS Jammer</title>
	<author>Solandri</author>
	<datestamp>1246472580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just fill a zip-lock bag with water and put it on top of the GPS antenna.  When we were trying to use GPS for position fixes on our autonomous submarines, we found to our consternation that just a few millimeters of seawater on top of the antenna would prevent a signal lock.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just fill a zip-lock bag with water and put it on top of the GPS antenna .
When we were trying to use GPS for position fixes on our autonomous submarines , we found to our consternation that just a few millimeters of seawater on top of the antenna would prevent a signal lock .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just fill a zip-lock bag with water and put it on top of the GPS antenna.
When we were trying to use GPS for position fixes on our autonomous submarines, we found to our consternation that just a few millimeters of seawater on top of the antenna would prevent a signal lock.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543245</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544813</id>
	<title>Re:wtf</title>
	<author>Volante3192</author>
	<datestamp>1246471260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like...you?</p><p>You think those long haul trucks delivering your food and consumer level electronics magically float above the ground and don't damage the road they travel on?  Just because you, personally, don't use highways doesn't mean you don't benefit from them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like...you ? You think those long haul trucks delivering your food and consumer level electronics magically float above the ground and do n't damage the road they travel on ?
Just because you , personally , do n't use highways does n't mean you do n't benefit from them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like...you?You think those long haul trucks delivering your food and consumer level electronics magically float above the ground and don't damage the road they travel on?
Just because you, personally, don't use highways doesn't mean you don't benefit from them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543625</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28550117</id>
	<title>Tax hike for all but gas guzzlers</title>
	<author>jsimon12</author>
	<datestamp>1246444200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do the math, if you assume you drive 20,000 miles a year that comes out to 200-400 dollars if they do it by mile. As opposed to driving a car that gets 20mpg you would only pay 180 dollars at 18 cents a gallon for the same 20,000 miles.</p><p>Not to mention they can then track people, levy fines, charge more for certain roads etc etc etc</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do the math , if you assume you drive 20,000 miles a year that comes out to 200-400 dollars if they do it by mile .
As opposed to driving a car that gets 20mpg you would only pay 180 dollars at 18 cents a gallon for the same 20,000 miles.Not to mention they can then track people , levy fines , charge more for certain roads etc etc etc</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do the math, if you assume you drive 20,000 miles a year that comes out to 200-400 dollars if they do it by mile.
As opposed to driving a car that gets 20mpg you would only pay 180 dollars at 18 cents a gallon for the same 20,000 miles.Not to mention they can then track people, levy fines, charge more for certain roads etc etc etc</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28553669</id>
	<title>Re:Tracking vs. billing</title>
	<author>toddestan</author>
	<datestamp>1246466400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Road damage is proportional to the third power of the vehicles weight.  That means a SUV that weighs twice as much as a small car is also doing eight times the damage to the road.  The fact that the small car generally doesn't get eight times the mileage of the SUV means that if anything, we are subsidizing the large vehicles on the road under the current system.  Of course, it's actually the trucking companies that are making out like bandits - even a Hummer H2 does negligable damage to the road compared to a 40-ton semi.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Road damage is proportional to the third power of the vehicles weight .
That means a SUV that weighs twice as much as a small car is also doing eight times the damage to the road .
The fact that the small car generally does n't get eight times the mileage of the SUV means that if anything , we are subsidizing the large vehicles on the road under the current system .
Of course , it 's actually the trucking companies that are making out like bandits - even a Hummer H2 does negligable damage to the road compared to a 40-ton semi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Road damage is proportional to the third power of the vehicles weight.
That means a SUV that weighs twice as much as a small car is also doing eight times the damage to the road.
The fact that the small car generally doesn't get eight times the mileage of the SUV means that if anything, we are subsidizing the large vehicles on the road under the current system.
Of course, it's actually the trucking companies that are making out like bandits - even a Hummer H2 does negligable damage to the road compared to a 40-ton semi.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544737</id>
	<title>Ever hear of an 'Odometer'????</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always wondered why insurance companies don't require odometer readings to be submitted when renewing the insurance... Rates IMO should be based on usage, not time. Drive lots of miles? Pay more overall. Drive safely, pay less per mile. The mileage could be tied to registration and the suggested road tax collected.</p><p>I hate new taxes, but the reality is 'someone has to pay the piper'. In my fantasy world, governments would abolish the fuel tax(es) and replace them with this road tax which would be function of miles driven, weight of vehicle and things like trailer hitches.</p><p>(Posting anonymously because my new Ubuntu installation doesn't seem to want to follow the Login link on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always wondered why insurance companies do n't require odometer readings to be submitted when renewing the insurance... Rates IMO should be based on usage , not time .
Drive lots of miles ?
Pay more overall .
Drive safely , pay less per mile .
The mileage could be tied to registration and the suggested road tax collected.I hate new taxes , but the reality is 'someone has to pay the piper' .
In my fantasy world , governments would abolish the fuel tax ( es ) and replace them with this road tax which would be function of miles driven , weight of vehicle and things like trailer hitches .
( Posting anonymously because my new Ubuntu installation does n't seem to want to follow the Login link on / .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always wondered why insurance companies don't require odometer readings to be submitted when renewing the insurance... Rates IMO should be based on usage, not time.
Drive lots of miles?
Pay more overall.
Drive safely, pay less per mile.
The mileage could be tied to registration and the suggested road tax collected.I hate new taxes, but the reality is 'someone has to pay the piper'.
In my fantasy world, governments would abolish the fuel tax(es) and replace them with this road tax which would be function of miles driven, weight of vehicle and things like trailer hitches.
(Posting anonymously because my new Ubuntu installation doesn't seem to want to follow the Login link on /.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547197</id>
	<title>Re:What about motorcycles or old vehicles?</title>
	<author>pentalive</author>
	<datestamp>1246478460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even then I'll start bicycling or walking.</p></div><p>Probably exactly what the enviro-nanies want of you anyway.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even then I 'll start bicycling or walking.Probably exactly what the enviro-nanies want of you anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even then I'll start bicycling or walking.Probably exactly what the enviro-nanies want of you anyway.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545751</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543977</id>
	<title>Tax, tax, and tax again!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246468860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, there's the fuel tax (which they say will go away, but probably won't).  Then there's this shiny new mileage tax.  Then there's the tax that's not called a tax (because some idiot politician promised not to raise taxes) -- toll roads.</p><p>Just \%()*#$\%(# raise income tax 0.5\% and get rid of all this other waste of time, waste of money crap!  Americans would be better off in the end because 100\% of the money could go to roads instead of half of it going to the enormous overhead of building toll roads compared to regular roads (and don't forget all the cash that's going to foreign operators of the toll roads) and installing devices in every car to track and upload all this mileage data (oh, and don't forget all the infrastructure and people required to run the "billing center").</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , there 's the fuel tax ( which they say will go away , but probably wo n't ) .
Then there 's this shiny new mileage tax .
Then there 's the tax that 's not called a tax ( because some idiot politician promised not to raise taxes ) -- toll roads.Just \ % ( ) * # $ \ % ( # raise income tax 0.5 \ % and get rid of all this other waste of time , waste of money crap !
Americans would be better off in the end because 100 \ % of the money could go to roads instead of half of it going to the enormous overhead of building toll roads compared to regular roads ( and do n't forget all the cash that 's going to foreign operators of the toll roads ) and installing devices in every car to track and upload all this mileage data ( oh , and do n't forget all the infrastructure and people required to run the " billing center " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, there's the fuel tax (which they say will go away, but probably won't).
Then there's this shiny new mileage tax.
Then there's the tax that's not called a tax (because some idiot politician promised not to raise taxes) -- toll roads.Just \%()*#$\%(# raise income tax 0.5\% and get rid of all this other waste of time, waste of money crap!
Americans would be better off in the end because 100\% of the money could go to roads instead of half of it going to the enormous overhead of building toll roads compared to regular roads (and don't forget all the cash that's going to foreign operators of the toll roads) and installing devices in every car to track and upload all this mileage data (oh, and don't forget all the infrastructure and people required to run the "billing center").</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545751</id>
	<title>What about motorcycles or old vehicles?</title>
	<author>$criptah</author>
	<datestamp>1246474080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If tax applies only to cars and trucks, then let's ride motorcycles.  It is fun and fuel efficient.  Many motorcycles come with heated grips, ABS and other stuff that makes two-wheel travel more civilized and if it can help me to avoid taxes that's great.  Plus brand new motorcycles are way cheaper than brand new cars.  You can have a nice top of the line touring BMW bike for under $20K OTD.  How much does the entry level 3 series cost?
</p><p>The alternative is to stick with older cars unless gov't decides to put a GPS in every vehicle on the road. Even then I'll start bicycling or walking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If tax applies only to cars and trucks , then let 's ride motorcycles .
It is fun and fuel efficient .
Many motorcycles come with heated grips , ABS and other stuff that makes two-wheel travel more civilized and if it can help me to avoid taxes that 's great .
Plus brand new motorcycles are way cheaper than brand new cars .
You can have a nice top of the line touring BMW bike for under $ 20K OTD .
How much does the entry level 3 series cost ?
The alternative is to stick with older cars unless gov't decides to put a GPS in every vehicle on the road .
Even then I 'll start bicycling or walking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If tax applies only to cars and trucks, then let's ride motorcycles.
It is fun and fuel efficient.
Many motorcycles come with heated grips, ABS and other stuff that makes two-wheel travel more civilized and if it can help me to avoid taxes that's great.
Plus brand new motorcycles are way cheaper than brand new cars.
You can have a nice top of the line touring BMW bike for under $20K OTD.
How much does the entry level 3 series cost?
The alternative is to stick with older cars unless gov't decides to put a GPS in every vehicle on the road.
Even then I'll start bicycling or walking.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547211</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246478520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right.  Just like, for the same reason, the DoD wouldn't be stupid enough to use keyloggers on the computers of their employees and contractors...  Oh wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
Just like , for the same reason , the DoD would n't be stupid enough to use keyloggers on the computers of their employees and contractors... Oh wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
Just like, for the same reason, the DoD wouldn't be stupid enough to use keyloggers on the computers of their employees and contractors...  Oh wait...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543425</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545249</id>
	<title>Taxes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246472520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They will tax the money when you make it. When you buy a car.  There will be property tax on that car and other taxes on maintenance stuff.  Then there will be a tax on driving the car and most likely sales tax still on the fuel.</p><p>How many times does the government need to tax us?</p><p>For cars that get that get less than 18 mpg if the tax is 1 cent this will less expensive (only based on tax not price of fuel) for cars that get more it will be more expensive.  For cars that get 36 mpg or above and the tax being at 1 cent per mile, the cost will double.</p><p>If the tax is 2 cents, then for cars that get less than 9 mpg,  it will be less expensive.  For cars that get 18 mpg it will be twice as expensive.  For cars that get 36 mpg it will be four times as expensive.</p><p>So if you own a car that get 36 mpg (priuses and other hybrids get considerably more) then you will pay roughly 74 cents tax on a gallon of gas.  If the mileage tax is 2 cents per mile.</p><p>I dont know about everyone else but this is out of line.  Doubling or quadrupling taxes on vehicles which are better for the environment will only hinder their uptake as well as hurt our wallets.</p><p>This must be fought.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They will tax the money when you make it .
When you buy a car .
There will be property tax on that car and other taxes on maintenance stuff .
Then there will be a tax on driving the car and most likely sales tax still on the fuel.How many times does the government need to tax us ? For cars that get that get less than 18 mpg if the tax is 1 cent this will less expensive ( only based on tax not price of fuel ) for cars that get more it will be more expensive .
For cars that get 36 mpg or above and the tax being at 1 cent per mile , the cost will double.If the tax is 2 cents , then for cars that get less than 9 mpg , it will be less expensive .
For cars that get 18 mpg it will be twice as expensive .
For cars that get 36 mpg it will be four times as expensive.So if you own a car that get 36 mpg ( priuses and other hybrids get considerably more ) then you will pay roughly 74 cents tax on a gallon of gas .
If the mileage tax is 2 cents per mile.I dont know about everyone else but this is out of line .
Doubling or quadrupling taxes on vehicles which are better for the environment will only hinder their uptake as well as hurt our wallets.This must be fought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They will tax the money when you make it.
When you buy a car.
There will be property tax on that car and other taxes on maintenance stuff.
Then there will be a tax on driving the car and most likely sales tax still on the fuel.How many times does the government need to tax us?For cars that get that get less than 18 mpg if the tax is 1 cent this will less expensive (only based on tax not price of fuel) for cars that get more it will be more expensive.
For cars that get 36 mpg or above and the tax being at 1 cent per mile, the cost will double.If the tax is 2 cents, then for cars that get less than 9 mpg,  it will be less expensive.
For cars that get 18 mpg it will be twice as expensive.
For cars that get 36 mpg it will be four times as expensive.So if you own a car that get 36 mpg (priuses and other hybrids get considerably more) then you will pay roughly 74 cents tax on a gallon of gas.
If the mileage tax is 2 cents per mile.I dont know about everyone else but this is out of line.
Doubling or quadrupling taxes on vehicles which are better for the environment will only hinder their uptake as well as hurt our wallets.This must be fought.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546341</id>
	<title>Going to get a horse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246475700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am going to get a horse.  Then what?  They can shove the GPS up its ass!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am going to get a horse .
Then what ?
They can shove the GPS up its ass !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am going to get a horse.
Then what?
They can shove the GPS up its ass!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544599</id>
	<title>It's inevitable</title>
	<author>DarksideDaveOR</author>
	<datestamp>1246470600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sooner or later all motor vehicle travel is going to be subject to government tracking via technology.  Automated traffic light and speeding cameras should be evidence enough of that.</p><p>Using that technology to tax road usage, especially if it's proportionate to the amount of wear a vehicle causes to the road (I'd be willing to bet that the higher gas tax a Semi driver pays does not account for the extra wear he causes compared to my Civic), is a positive use of that technology - it will encourage people to use more efficient cars, maybe even to carpool.</p><p>Using that technology to track locations and drivers is also a good thing, provided that information is properly protected by law.  Rather than fighting a natural extension of technology, let's start working on figuring out what the proper legal protections are, and making sure those are included when this tech is deployed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sooner or later all motor vehicle travel is going to be subject to government tracking via technology .
Automated traffic light and speeding cameras should be evidence enough of that.Using that technology to tax road usage , especially if it 's proportionate to the amount of wear a vehicle causes to the road ( I 'd be willing to bet that the higher gas tax a Semi driver pays does not account for the extra wear he causes compared to my Civic ) , is a positive use of that technology - it will encourage people to use more efficient cars , maybe even to carpool.Using that technology to track locations and drivers is also a good thing , provided that information is properly protected by law .
Rather than fighting a natural extension of technology , let 's start working on figuring out what the proper legal protections are , and making sure those are included when this tech is deployed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sooner or later all motor vehicle travel is going to be subject to government tracking via technology.
Automated traffic light and speeding cameras should be evidence enough of that.Using that technology to tax road usage, especially if it's proportionate to the amount of wear a vehicle causes to the road (I'd be willing to bet that the higher gas tax a Semi driver pays does not account for the extra wear he causes compared to my Civic), is a positive use of that technology - it will encourage people to use more efficient cars, maybe even to carpool.Using that technology to track locations and drivers is also a good thing, provided that information is properly protected by law.
Rather than fighting a natural extension of technology, let's start working on figuring out what the proper legal protections are, and making sure those are included when this tech is deployed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543297</id>
	<title>What about Oklahoma?</title>
	<author>AioKits</author>
	<datestamp>1246466940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>We don't do shit to repair the roads as it is!  If this was put into place we'd find a way to further screw over our highways.  Some of these potholes are big enough the only way we get them filled is to hold a funeral in one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't do shit to repair the roads as it is !
If this was put into place we 'd find a way to further screw over our highways .
Some of these potholes are big enough the only way we get them filled is to hold a funeral in one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't do shit to repair the roads as it is!
If this was put into place we'd find a way to further screw over our highways.
Some of these potholes are big enough the only way we get them filled is to hold a funeral in one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28549661</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246442700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Riiight! That's why this is a bad idea - it is bad for national security. NOT because most of those "black" projects actually involve things that are illegal and/or offensive to citizens, NOT because the gummint actually will use the data to make MORE of these "black" projects to spy on and harass legal citizens, but because people involved in "black" projects are actually doing something to protect citizens and the data might fall into "terrorist" hands.</p><p>Riiight!</p><p>(ironically enough, the catcha is "patriots"; God is an iron)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Riiight !
That 's why this is a bad idea - it is bad for national security .
NOT because most of those " black " projects actually involve things that are illegal and/or offensive to citizens , NOT because the gummint actually will use the data to make MORE of these " black " projects to spy on and harass legal citizens , but because people involved in " black " projects are actually doing something to protect citizens and the data might fall into " terrorist " hands.Riiight !
( ironically enough , the catcha is " patriots " ; God is an iron )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Riiight!
That's why this is a bad idea - it is bad for national security.
NOT because most of those "black" projects actually involve things that are illegal and/or offensive to citizens, NOT because the gummint actually will use the data to make MORE of these "black" projects to spy on and harass legal citizens, but because people involved in "black" projects are actually doing something to protect citizens and the data might fall into "terrorist" hands.Riiight!
(ironically enough, the catcha is "patriots"; God is an iron)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543425</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28552045</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246453440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CLITTORAL CRUISER<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CLITTORAL CRUISER : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CLITTORAL CRUISER :D</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543425</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544753</id>
	<title>What pays for the GPS Satellites?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, how does this, or any, taxation come close to paying to launch multi-million dollar GPS satellites? If we chose to do this before GPS already existed, then it no one would have supported it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , how does this , or any , taxation come close to paying to launch multi-million dollar GPS satellites ?
If we chose to do this before GPS already existed , then it no one would have supported it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, how does this, or any, taxation come close to paying to launch multi-million dollar GPS satellites?
If we chose to do this before GPS already existed, then it no one would have supported it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547321</id>
	<title>Re:Just awful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246478880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should adjust the per mile tax rate by the nominal weight of the vehicle - or some function of it.  Civil engineers have a pretty good idea how much the weight, axle count, etc, of a vehicle affects the wear and tear it puts on the road.  It's more complicated than a flat tax when purchasing the vehicle, but it's more realistic of the situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should adjust the per mile tax rate by the nominal weight of the vehicle - or some function of it .
Civil engineers have a pretty good idea how much the weight , axle count , etc , of a vehicle affects the wear and tear it puts on the road .
It 's more complicated than a flat tax when purchasing the vehicle , but it 's more realistic of the situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should adjust the per mile tax rate by the nominal weight of the vehicle - or some function of it.
Civil engineers have a pretty good idea how much the weight, axle count, etc, of a vehicle affects the wear and tear it puts on the road.
It's more complicated than a flat tax when purchasing the vehicle, but it's more realistic of the situation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543583</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28549865</id>
	<title>You don't need to track where I drive</title>
	<author>okmijnuhb</author>
	<datestamp>1246443300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Use a fuel tax.
There is no need for such an invasive "tax" system.
Do you know how easy it is to defeat GPS signals?
Too often you lose signal when you're driving in certain areas.
This pay per use is unpalatable. For example, even those who do not drive benefit from the road/highway system, by having their goods and services delivered via it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Use a fuel tax .
There is no need for such an invasive " tax " system .
Do you know how easy it is to defeat GPS signals ?
Too often you lose signal when you 're driving in certain areas .
This pay per use is unpalatable .
For example , even those who do not drive benefit from the road/highway system , by having their goods and services delivered via it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Use a fuel tax.
There is no need for such an invasive "tax" system.
Do you know how easy it is to defeat GPS signals?
Too often you lose signal when you're driving in certain areas.
This pay per use is unpalatable.
For example, even those who do not drive benefit from the road/highway system, by having their goods and services delivered via it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543763</id>
	<title>Novel idea.....</title>
	<author>raymansean</author>
	<datestamp>1246468200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>increase the road tax for gasoline. This is a tax already implemented that require no new technology and does not track my movements. Or yearly national vehicle tax that is based on vehicle weight (either full load or empty). There are an infinite number of ways to collect the money necessary to facilitate the growth of the gov't I mean maintain our public roads that do not include tracking my whereabouts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>increase the road tax for gasoline .
This is a tax already implemented that require no new technology and does not track my movements .
Or yearly national vehicle tax that is based on vehicle weight ( either full load or empty ) .
There are an infinite number of ways to collect the money necessary to facilitate the growth of the gov't I mean maintain our public roads that do not include tracking my whereabouts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>increase the road tax for gasoline.
This is a tax already implemented that require no new technology and does not track my movements.
Or yearly national vehicle tax that is based on vehicle weight (either full load or empty).
There are an infinite number of ways to collect the money necessary to facilitate the growth of the gov't I mean maintain our public roads that do not include tracking my whereabouts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544189</id>
	<title>Re:Great Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246469400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>They tried to do this on the Pennsylvania turnpike YEARS ago (cross-check the time you entered the turnpike with the time you left, and based on how far you drove to get to a particular exit, calculated your average speed to determine if you should get a ticket).  The law was overturned after somebody sued...</htmltext>
<tokenext>They tried to do this on the Pennsylvania turnpike YEARS ago ( cross-check the time you entered the turnpike with the time you left , and based on how far you drove to get to a particular exit , calculated your average speed to determine if you should get a ticket ) .
The law was overturned after somebody sued.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They tried to do this on the Pennsylvania turnpike YEARS ago (cross-check the time you entered the turnpike with the time you left, and based on how far you drove to get to a particular exit, calculated your average speed to determine if you should get a ticket).
The law was overturned after somebody sued...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545157</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>PhreakOfTime</author>
	<datestamp>1246472220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. You live in a county in Indiana that doesn't do emission testing.

</p><p>For those in Lake and Porter counties in Indiana, they do indeed do emission testing.

</p><p>Now stop posting and giving everyone a reason to validate their stereotypes of Indiana residents being under-educated about their immediate surroundings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
You live in a county in Indiana that does n't do emission testing .
For those in Lake and Porter counties in Indiana , they do indeed do emission testing .
Now stop posting and giving everyone a reason to validate their stereotypes of Indiana residents being under-educated about their immediate surroundings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
You live in a county in Indiana that doesn't do emission testing.
For those in Lake and Porter counties in Indiana, they do indeed do emission testing.
Now stop posting and giving everyone a reason to validate their stereotypes of Indiana residents being under-educated about their immediate surroundings.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545027</id>
	<title>By Neruos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Capitalism is here and you Americans better get with the idea that all those privacy laws you have will eventually count in your "HOME" only. Once you leave your front door or connect to an outside line be prepared to pay and be seen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Capitalism is here and you Americans better get with the idea that all those privacy laws you have will eventually count in your " HOME " only .
Once you leave your front door or connect to an outside line be prepared to pay and be seen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Capitalism is here and you Americans better get with the idea that all those privacy laws you have will eventually count in your "HOME" only.
Once you leave your front door or connect to an outside line be prepared to pay and be seen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546571</id>
	<title>Government's Do Not Give Up Taxes</title>
	<author>Hangtime</author>
	<datestamp>1246476360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There will be a fuel + GPS Mileage tax. No bureaucrat will give up that revenue source no matter how small it is. BTW, I don't own an aluminum foil hat but I am not even comfortable with this. I fully recognize the government could conduct surveillance and track my whereabouts today. However, today its HARD to do so. Things like warrants and satellites and patching into the cellular phone system to triangulate must be done. While there are procedures to do so, I like the fact that its HARD and not easy. Having a repository of easily viewed and mined locational data is not my idea of a good time.</p><p>GPS Mileage tax = FAIL</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There will be a fuel + GPS Mileage tax .
No bureaucrat will give up that revenue source no matter how small it is .
BTW , I do n't own an aluminum foil hat but I am not even comfortable with this .
I fully recognize the government could conduct surveillance and track my whereabouts today .
However , today its HARD to do so .
Things like warrants and satellites and patching into the cellular phone system to triangulate must be done .
While there are procedures to do so , I like the fact that its HARD and not easy .
Having a repository of easily viewed and mined locational data is not my idea of a good time.GPS Mileage tax = FAIL</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There will be a fuel + GPS Mileage tax.
No bureaucrat will give up that revenue source no matter how small it is.
BTW, I don't own an aluminum foil hat but I am not even comfortable with this.
I fully recognize the government could conduct surveillance and track my whereabouts today.
However, today its HARD to do so.
Things like warrants and satellites and patching into the cellular phone system to triangulate must be done.
While there are procedures to do so, I like the fact that its HARD and not easy.
Having a repository of easily viewed and mined locational data is not my idea of a good time.GPS Mileage tax = FAIL</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28548235</id>
	<title>Re:I work at home...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246481700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're not commuting, you're saving wear and tear on the roads - well done.  With the current gas tax, this hare-brained GPS scheme, or any other use-based tax, you won't pay much in taxes for road maintenance.  If more people did what you did, revenue would go down, but so would the need for road work.  Problem solved.</p><p>Of course, if you'd rather support the roads based on income taxes... the rest of us thank you very much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're not commuting , you 're saving wear and tear on the roads - well done .
With the current gas tax , this hare-brained GPS scheme , or any other use-based tax , you wo n't pay much in taxes for road maintenance .
If more people did what you did , revenue would go down , but so would the need for road work .
Problem solved.Of course , if you 'd rather support the roads based on income taxes... the rest of us thank you very much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're not commuting, you're saving wear and tear on the roads - well done.
With the current gas tax, this hare-brained GPS scheme, or any other use-based tax, you won't pay much in taxes for road maintenance.
If more people did what you did, revenue would go down, but so would the need for road work.
Problem solved.Of course, if you'd rather support the roads based on income taxes... the rest of us thank you very much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543525</id>
	<title>tax overhead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if everyone drove electric cars the gov't wouldn't get any money from a gas tax...<br>so they plan on taxing you by how much you drive.<br>collecting this tax is going to be expensive however.<br>putting a gps in every car and monitoring it isn't going to be cheap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if everyone drove electric cars the gov't would n't get any money from a gas tax...so they plan on taxing you by how much you drive.collecting this tax is going to be expensive however.putting a gps in every car and monitoring it is n't going to be cheap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if everyone drove electric cars the gov't wouldn't get any money from a gas tax...so they plan on taxing you by how much you drive.collecting this tax is going to be expensive however.putting a gps in every car and monitoring it isn't going to be cheap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28549573</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246442460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes...but if it's the government collecting all this data, nothing could possibly go wrong!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes...but if it 's the government collecting all this data , nothing could possibly go wrong !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes...but if it's the government collecting all this data, nothing could possibly go wrong!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543301</id>
	<title>Roads/infrastructure need to be paid for</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246466940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I actually don't have much of a problem with pay-as-you-go roads. The roads have to be taken care of, new bridges buit, etc.

I DO have a problem with the gov't potentially keeping track of where I go!

How about we track based on odometer readings? Perhaps when your car goes in for inspection every year, the odometer data is sent to the DMV, which charges you along with your yearly registration?

The roads have to be paid for, and it seems reasonable that the people who use them the most should pay the most.

The only problem with this might arise from people choosing to drive less because of *this*, and then, where will the money come from?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually do n't have much of a problem with pay-as-you-go roads .
The roads have to be taken care of , new bridges buit , etc .
I DO have a problem with the gov't potentially keeping track of where I go !
How about we track based on odometer readings ?
Perhaps when your car goes in for inspection every year , the odometer data is sent to the DMV , which charges you along with your yearly registration ?
The roads have to be paid for , and it seems reasonable that the people who use them the most should pay the most .
The only problem with this might arise from people choosing to drive less because of * this * , and then , where will the money come from ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually don't have much of a problem with pay-as-you-go roads.
The roads have to be taken care of, new bridges buit, etc.
I DO have a problem with the gov't potentially keeping track of where I go!
How about we track based on odometer readings?
Perhaps when your car goes in for inspection every year, the odometer data is sent to the DMV, which charges you along with your yearly registration?
The roads have to be paid for, and it seems reasonable that the people who use them the most should pay the most.
The only problem with this might arise from people choosing to drive less because of *this*, and then, where will the money come from?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543937</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1246468740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They could just check the odometer during emissions checking.</p></div><p>How does that handle farm trucks, or other vehicles that almost never use public roads?  Should you be taxed for driving around in your own field?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They could just check the odometer during emissions checking.How does that handle farm trucks , or other vehicles that almost never use public roads ?
Should you be taxed for driving around in your own field ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could just check the odometer during emissions checking.How does that handle farm trucks, or other vehicles that almost never use public roads?
Should you be taxed for driving around in your own field?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28556743</id>
	<title>Not about tracking mileage</title>
	<author>thomasdn</author>
	<datestamp>1246544880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is not about tracking mileage. It is about tracking people. The tax on gas is already a "tax on mileage". It does not make any sense to tax mileage itself...</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not about tracking mileage .
It is about tracking people .
The tax on gas is already a " tax on mileage " .
It does not make any sense to tax mileage itself.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not about tracking mileage.
It is about tracking people.
The tax on gas is already a "tax on mileage".
It does not make any sense to tax mileage itself...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545703</id>
	<title>this is rediculous - classic liberal thinking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246473900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>taxing gasoline does the same thing philosophically as implanting cars with GPS units and taxing the miles people drive.... you are taxed based on consumption &amp; use. the only real difference w/GPS is you could localize investments to specific roads that people drive on but honestly, that's a waste of time.</p><p>on top of this, the natural incentives that play into helping people into fuel efficient vehicles is lost.</p><p>this idea is a waste of money to even think about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>taxing gasoline does the same thing philosophically as implanting cars with GPS units and taxing the miles people drive.... you are taxed based on consumption &amp; use .
the only real difference w/GPS is you could localize investments to specific roads that people drive on but honestly , that 's a waste of time.on top of this , the natural incentives that play into helping people into fuel efficient vehicles is lost.this idea is a waste of money to even think about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>taxing gasoline does the same thing philosophically as implanting cars with GPS units and taxing the miles people drive.... you are taxed based on consumption &amp; use.
the only real difference w/GPS is you could localize investments to specific roads that people drive on but honestly, that's a waste of time.on top of this, the natural incentives that play into helping people into fuel efficient vehicles is lost.this idea is a waste of money to even think about.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543755</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>Ziggy2k8</author>
	<datestamp>1246468200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> I always thought that vehicle registration costs also went into road maintenance funds. Maybe they should get rid of that along with the gas tax.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought that vehicle registration costs also went into road maintenance funds .
Maybe they should get rid of that along with the gas tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I always thought that vehicle registration costs also went into road maintenance funds.
Maybe they should get rid of that along with the gas tax.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543625</id>
	<title>Re:wtf</title>
	<author>global\_diffusion</author>
	<datestamp>1246467780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I dunno.  For someone like me, who doesn't use highways very often, it would be nice to be relieved of a tax burden and have it put back on the people who actually benefit from the highway system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno .
For someone like me , who does n't use highways very often , it would be nice to be relieved of a tax burden and have it put back on the people who actually benefit from the highway system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno.
For someone like me, who doesn't use highways very often, it would be nice to be relieved of a tax burden and have it put back on the people who actually benefit from the highway system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544849</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>Pig Hogger</author>
	<datestamp>1246471320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <em>See, the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax, which is 18.5 cents a gallon.</em> </p></div>
</blockquote><p>They certainly did not do so when gas hit $4 a gallon</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>See , the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax , which is 18.5 cents a gallon .
They certainly did not do so when gas hit $ 4 a gallon</tokentext>
<sentencetext> See, the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax, which is 18.5 cents a gallon.
They certainly did not do so when gas hit $4 a gallon
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28552581</id>
	<title>Unintended consequence</title>
	<author>tcgroat</author>
	<datestamp>1246457400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The fuel tax has a useful advantage: drivers of heavier, less fuel-efficient vehicles pay more tax. Consider a 45 cent per gallon fuel tax and 2 cent per mile road-use tax. Drivers of a Suburban getting 15 miles per gallon pay 3 cents a mile for the fuel tax, so the road use fee saves them a penny per mile. If you have a Prius getting 45 miles per gallon, you pay only one cent per mile for fuel tax, so the road use fee costs you an extra penny per mile. If you have a Tesla, your tax went from nothing to 2 cents per mile: about the same as the cost of electricity to recharge the car in many states (200 mile range on a 40 kWhr recharge = 5 miles per kWhr and 10 cents per kWhr). It reverses the tax incentive to drive a more efficient car!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The fuel tax has a useful advantage : drivers of heavier , less fuel-efficient vehicles pay more tax .
Consider a 45 cent per gallon fuel tax and 2 cent per mile road-use tax .
Drivers of a Suburban getting 15 miles per gallon pay 3 cents a mile for the fuel tax , so the road use fee saves them a penny per mile .
If you have a Prius getting 45 miles per gallon , you pay only one cent per mile for fuel tax , so the road use fee costs you an extra penny per mile .
If you have a Tesla , your tax went from nothing to 2 cents per mile : about the same as the cost of electricity to recharge the car in many states ( 200 mile range on a 40 kWhr recharge = 5 miles per kWhr and 10 cents per kWhr ) .
It reverses the tax incentive to drive a more efficient car !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fuel tax has a useful advantage: drivers of heavier, less fuel-efficient vehicles pay more tax.
Consider a 45 cent per gallon fuel tax and 2 cent per mile road-use tax.
Drivers of a Suburban getting 15 miles per gallon pay 3 cents a mile for the fuel tax, so the road use fee saves them a penny per mile.
If you have a Prius getting 45 miles per gallon, you pay only one cent per mile for fuel tax, so the road use fee costs you an extra penny per mile.
If you have a Tesla, your tax went from nothing to 2 cents per mile: about the same as the cost of electricity to recharge the car in many states (200 mile range on a 40 kWhr recharge = 5 miles per kWhr and 10 cents per kWhr).
It reverses the tax incentive to drive a more efficient car!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543723</id>
	<title>Re:At first I cringed.</title>
	<author>Kryptonian Jor-El</author>
	<datestamp>1246468020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>WRONG. I think you meant to do cents per mile, not mile per cents. 18.5/30 =<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.61666 cents.
<br> <br>
Anybody who is getting better than 18.5 miles per gallon will LOSE money if this happens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>WRONG .
I think you meant to do cents per mile , not mile per cents .
18.5/30 = .61666 cents .
Anybody who is getting better than 18.5 miles per gallon will LOSE money if this happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WRONG.
I think you meant to do cents per mile, not mile per cents.
18.5/30 = .61666 cents.
Anybody who is getting better than 18.5 miles per gallon will LOSE money if this happens.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543817</id>
	<title>Diebold will design it I bet</title>
	<author>Moof123</author>
	<datestamp>1246468380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't wait to see if the guv-mint can contract someone to write tax software that tallies up any better than what they spent billions on for elections.</p><p>At least for the next decade or so increasing the existing gas tax would still get the job done.  After that a one time road fee at the time of purchase, or yearly road fee as part of your registration would simply make more sense.</p><p>We need fewer taxes, not more.  I'm fine with those taxes being adjusted as needed, but stop nickel and diming me dozens of different ways...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't wait to see if the guv-mint can contract someone to write tax software that tallies up any better than what they spent billions on for elections.At least for the next decade or so increasing the existing gas tax would still get the job done .
After that a one time road fee at the time of purchase , or yearly road fee as part of your registration would simply make more sense.We need fewer taxes , not more .
I 'm fine with those taxes being adjusted as needed , but stop nickel and diming me dozens of different ways.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't wait to see if the guv-mint can contract someone to write tax software that tallies up any better than what they spent billions on for elections.At least for the next decade or so increasing the existing gas tax would still get the job done.
After that a one time road fee at the time of purchase, or yearly road fee as part of your registration would simply make more sense.We need fewer taxes, not more.
I'm fine with those taxes being adjusted as needed, but stop nickel and diming me dozens of different ways...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543479</id>
	<title>As if...</title>
	<author>TaleSpinner</author>
	<datestamp>1246467420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...the gov't <i>ever</i> got rid of a tax that was "replaced" by another.</p><p>Continuous tracking of all motor vehicles, and thereby of most citizens.  Oh, well, they do that already with cell phones.  It won't be abused.  <i>Sssuuurrreee</i> it won't.</p><p>"The Chevy volt won't pay a penny of fuel tax..." - not on gasoline, but it does pay the same tax we all pay on electricity.  It will also pay the VAT when, not if, that is imposed by the Obamacists.  It was <i>supposed</i> to be freer of taxes in order to encourage transitioning to "less polluting" (again, AS IF) technology.</p><p>Can the gov't even <i>spell</i> "cross-purposes"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...the gov't ever got rid of a tax that was " replaced " by another.Continuous tracking of all motor vehicles , and thereby of most citizens .
Oh , well , they do that already with cell phones .
It wo n't be abused .
Sssuuurrreee it wo n't .
" The Chevy volt wo n't pay a penny of fuel tax... " - not on gasoline , but it does pay the same tax we all pay on electricity .
It will also pay the VAT when , not if , that is imposed by the Obamacists .
It was supposed to be freer of taxes in order to encourage transitioning to " less polluting " ( again , AS IF ) technology.Can the gov't even spell " cross-purposes " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...the gov't ever got rid of a tax that was "replaced" by another.Continuous tracking of all motor vehicles, and thereby of most citizens.
Oh, well, they do that already with cell phones.
It won't be abused.
Sssuuurrreee it won't.
"The Chevy volt won't pay a penny of fuel tax..." - not on gasoline, but it does pay the same tax we all pay on electricity.
It will also pay the VAT when, not if, that is imposed by the Obamacists.
It was supposed to be freer of taxes in order to encourage transitioning to "less polluting" (again, AS IF) technology.Can the gov't even spell "cross-purposes"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544301</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>veranikon</author>
	<datestamp>1246469760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If simply rolling along a public paved surface (whether powered or not) becomes a taxable event, then why limit it just to cars?</p><p>Despite the heroic efforts of the selfless folks in your local transportation lobby, roads, bridges, and other elements of the asphalt jungle are still really darned expensive.  Each penny you can squeeze out to offset the destructive effects of every tire rotation is one less 1/1000th of a pothole, the lobby would like you to know.</p><p>Perhaps the better response is "Something that might get more Americans to ride <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIT\_Daedalus" title="wikipedia.org">pedal-operated aircraft</a> [wikipedia.org]."  Very little lateral traversal of pavement there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If simply rolling along a public paved surface ( whether powered or not ) becomes a taxable event , then why limit it just to cars ? Despite the heroic efforts of the selfless folks in your local transportation lobby , roads , bridges , and other elements of the asphalt jungle are still really darned expensive .
Each penny you can squeeze out to offset the destructive effects of every tire rotation is one less 1/1000th of a pothole , the lobby would like you to know.Perhaps the better response is " Something that might get more Americans to ride pedal-operated aircraft [ wikipedia.org ] .
" Very little lateral traversal of pavement there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If simply rolling along a public paved surface (whether powered or not) becomes a taxable event, then why limit it just to cars?Despite the heroic efforts of the selfless folks in your local transportation lobby, roads, bridges, and other elements of the asphalt jungle are still really darned expensive.
Each penny you can squeeze out to offset the destructive effects of every tire rotation is one less 1/1000th of a pothole, the lobby would like you to know.Perhaps the better response is "Something that might get more Americans to ride pedal-operated aircraft [wikipedia.org].
"  Very little lateral traversal of pavement there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546497</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Wowlapalooza</author>
	<datestamp>1246476120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I work for the DoD.  There are those of us that work on "black" projects that have covert everything, including travel.  It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been, either personal or rental, for an enemy agent to exploit.  If there's a meeting of folks hammering out the requirements for a new fighter jet or littoral cruiser, who goes to the meeting, where the meeting was, what time the meeting was, etc. are all way too valuable to be recorded.</p><p>No, this idea is a non-starter for National security reasons.  We won't even talk about organized crime getting ahold of it in order to track likely kidnap candidates' usual movements.</p></div><p>Translation: we (the government) can't trust ourselves to keep "black project" information secret. But you can trust us to wisely spend billions of dollars for the development of new fighter jets and littoral cruisers</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for the DoD .
There are those of us that work on " black " projects that have covert everything , including travel .
It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been , either personal or rental , for an enemy agent to exploit .
If there 's a meeting of folks hammering out the requirements for a new fighter jet or littoral cruiser , who goes to the meeting , where the meeting was , what time the meeting was , etc .
are all way too valuable to be recorded.No , this idea is a non-starter for National security reasons .
We wo n't even talk about organized crime getting ahold of it in order to track likely kidnap candidates ' usual movements.Translation : we ( the government ) ca n't trust ourselves to keep " black project " information secret .
But you can trust us to wisely spend billions of dollars for the development of new fighter jets and littoral cruisers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for the DoD.
There are those of us that work on "black" projects that have covert everything, including travel.
It would be absolutely intolerable to have a record of where a car has been, either personal or rental, for an enemy agent to exploit.
If there's a meeting of folks hammering out the requirements for a new fighter jet or littoral cruiser, who goes to the meeting, where the meeting was, what time the meeting was, etc.
are all way too valuable to be recorded.No, this idea is a non-starter for National security reasons.
We won't even talk about organized crime getting ahold of it in order to track likely kidnap candidates' usual movements.Translation: we (the government) can't trust ourselves to keep "black project" information secret.
But you can trust us to wisely spend billions of dollars for the development of new fighter jets and littoral cruisers
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546215</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>hmar</author>
	<datestamp>1246475340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The current gas tax doesn't take taxable roads into account, so I don't see why this would.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The current gas tax does n't take taxable roads into account , so I do n't see why this would .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The current gas tax doesn't take taxable roads into account, so I don't see why this would.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543653</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543517</id>
	<title>Fair or regressive?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a load of problems with this proposal:</p><p>1. There's already a device for tracking mileage in cars: it's called an odometer<br>2. GPS is good, but not immune to spoofing or erroneous readings<br>3. No way do I want the government to have access to tracking information or automatic uploading of data from such a system<br>4. Eliminate the gas tax??  Way to go: you've just eliminated one of the added incentives for reducing gas consumption!!!</p><p>I don't *want* a mile driven by someone in a big, honking SUV to cost the same in taxes/tolls as a fuel efficient car, especially because less efficient cars tend to be heavier and cause more wear on the roads anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a load of problems with this proposal : 1 .
There 's already a device for tracking mileage in cars : it 's called an odometer2 .
GPS is good , but not immune to spoofing or erroneous readings3 .
No way do I want the government to have access to tracking information or automatic uploading of data from such a system4 .
Eliminate the gas tax ? ?
Way to go : you 've just eliminated one of the added incentives for reducing gas consumption ! !
! I do n't * want * a mile driven by someone in a big , honking SUV to cost the same in taxes/tolls as a fuel efficient car , especially because less efficient cars tend to be heavier and cause more wear on the roads anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a load of problems with this proposal:1.
There's already a device for tracking mileage in cars: it's called an odometer2.
GPS is good, but not immune to spoofing or erroneous readings3.
No way do I want the government to have access to tracking information or automatic uploading of data from such a system4.
Eliminate the gas tax??
Way to go: you've just eliminated one of the added incentives for reducing gas consumption!!
!I don't *want* a mile driven by someone in a big, honking SUV to cost the same in taxes/tolls as a fuel efficient car, especially because less efficient cars tend to be heavier and cause more wear on the roads anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546559</id>
	<title>Downsides</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246476360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you kidding me?  I have to travel upwards of 100+ miles to get *anywhere* worthwhile here, and even then it's only worthwhile by dint of being compared to middle 'o nowhere Arkansas - what the hell is this supposed to accomplish, aside from keeping me tethered to failure?</p><p>There's literally no alternative to driving here - public transportation does not exist beyond school buses and bikes aren't useful over 40+ miles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you kidding me ?
I have to travel upwards of 100 + miles to get * anywhere * worthwhile here , and even then it 's only worthwhile by dint of being compared to middle 'o nowhere Arkansas - what the hell is this supposed to accomplish , aside from keeping me tethered to failure ? There 's literally no alternative to driving here - public transportation does not exist beyond school buses and bikes are n't useful over 40 + miles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you kidding me?
I have to travel upwards of 100+ miles to get *anywhere* worthwhile here, and even then it's only worthwhile by dint of being compared to middle 'o nowhere Arkansas - what the hell is this supposed to accomplish, aside from keeping me tethered to failure?There's literally no alternative to driving here - public transportation does not exist beyond school buses and bikes aren't useful over 40+ miles.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546509</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1246476180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, I'd love it if they did it during "emmissions checking."  I live in Indiana, where we don't such a "big brother" concept.</p><p>Bill</p></div><p>I thought Tennessee was the only state that didn't have emissions checking. In Tennessee, if you can get the vehicle on the road, then they won't say anything.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I 'd love it if they did it during " emmissions checking .
" I live in Indiana , where we do n't such a " big brother " concept.BillI thought Tennessee was the only state that did n't have emissions checking .
In Tennessee , if you can get the vehicle on the road , then they wo n't say anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I'd love it if they did it during "emmissions checking.
"  I live in Indiana, where we don't such a "big brother" concept.BillI thought Tennessee was the only state that didn't have emissions checking.
In Tennessee, if you can get the vehicle on the road, then they won't say anything.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543349</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543213</id>
	<title>Great Idea</title>
	<author>bdenton42</author>
	<datestamp>1246466700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GPS would be infinitely useful for governments.  In addition to tracking mileage they can automatically charge tolls and even issue speeding tickets.</p><p>Why not just continue to raise the fuel taxes to generate revenue?    That would serve to continue to reduce fuel consumption which would be a good thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GPS would be infinitely useful for governments .
In addition to tracking mileage they can automatically charge tolls and even issue speeding tickets.Why not just continue to raise the fuel taxes to generate revenue ?
That would serve to continue to reduce fuel consumption which would be a good thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GPS would be infinitely useful for governments.
In addition to tracking mileage they can automatically charge tolls and even issue speeding tickets.Why not just continue to raise the fuel taxes to generate revenue?
That would serve to continue to reduce fuel consumption which would be a good thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544657</id>
	<title>Large Tractors (18 wheelers) already do this.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246470720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anonymous because no good deed goes unpunished;</p><p>We have about 5000 tractors/power units/large trucks/18 wheelers -- whatever you want to call them.</p><p>Our fuel tax for these type of vehicles are already partially based off of miles pulled through GPS.</p><p>I spent about a year writing software that takes GPS data sent in over satellites in real time, collected about every 15 minutes, sending it to a highway/streets mileage calculator (PCMiler, RandMcNally, those types) and calculating our fuel tax.   I feel we have the most accurate reporting of any fleet, and state audits have proven this.</p><p>That said, here is what you need to think about;</p><p>What about gasoline that is not used in an automobile?  If it's not taxed at the pump, how do you tax mowers, ATV's, generators?   Granted, this is a highway tax.  But these are currently being taxed and you rarely see the government dropping a tax.   Right now we calculate diesel used in the various generators on trucks such as the refrigeration unit out, and file for a refund with the federal government and the states.</p><p>What about GPS failures?   We often see our GPS units miscalculate a point and put the unit 5000 miles away in the middle of the ocean.   Sometimes it's just off by 50 miles.   Sanity checks are partially why it took so long to write the software I wrote.</p><p>Off road use.   Legally, we shouldn't pay the highway use tax on local street use.  This is very difficult to calculate, as the roads are changing every day.   PCMiler and RandMcNally streets products have to make best guesses as to what road you are on, and it's not always right.    Are you on a toll road which has no road tax, or are you on the outer road, or the highway next to the outer road which does have road tax?   Moving 60MPH, GPS drift and changes in roads make this very difficult to be accurate 100\% of the time.</p><p>What about accidents, when the GPS is damaged or damage is not noticed?</p><p>What about when a car is toed?   Sometimes our units have to be toed hundreds of miles.   Legally, the toe truck is responsible.</p><p>What about ferries?   Michigan has a ferry which travels across lake Michigan a long ways.  This should movement should not be taxes.</p><p>What about trains?  Sometimes we place our units on trains.  Not sure if that is common with cars.</p><p>Anyway, we are doing this now with our units.  It's doable.  Our accuracy is a lot higher than the old paper trip method.   I just hope they make the tax amount a federal standard.  It sucks having to support different tax rates and structures in different states and figuring out what state to buy in.  Go IFTA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anonymous because no good deed goes unpunished ; We have about 5000 tractors/power units/large trucks/18 wheelers -- whatever you want to call them.Our fuel tax for these type of vehicles are already partially based off of miles pulled through GPS.I spent about a year writing software that takes GPS data sent in over satellites in real time , collected about every 15 minutes , sending it to a highway/streets mileage calculator ( PCMiler , RandMcNally , those types ) and calculating our fuel tax .
I feel we have the most accurate reporting of any fleet , and state audits have proven this.That said , here is what you need to think about ; What about gasoline that is not used in an automobile ?
If it 's not taxed at the pump , how do you tax mowers , ATV 's , generators ?
Granted , this is a highway tax .
But these are currently being taxed and you rarely see the government dropping a tax .
Right now we calculate diesel used in the various generators on trucks such as the refrigeration unit out , and file for a refund with the federal government and the states.What about GPS failures ?
We often see our GPS units miscalculate a point and put the unit 5000 miles away in the middle of the ocean .
Sometimes it 's just off by 50 miles .
Sanity checks are partially why it took so long to write the software I wrote.Off road use .
Legally , we should n't pay the highway use tax on local street use .
This is very difficult to calculate , as the roads are changing every day .
PCMiler and RandMcNally streets products have to make best guesses as to what road you are on , and it 's not always right .
Are you on a toll road which has no road tax , or are you on the outer road , or the highway next to the outer road which does have road tax ?
Moving 60MPH , GPS drift and changes in roads make this very difficult to be accurate 100 \ % of the time.What about accidents , when the GPS is damaged or damage is not noticed ? What about when a car is toed ?
Sometimes our units have to be toed hundreds of miles .
Legally , the toe truck is responsible.What about ferries ?
Michigan has a ferry which travels across lake Michigan a long ways .
This should movement should not be taxes.What about trains ?
Sometimes we place our units on trains .
Not sure if that is common with cars.Anyway , we are doing this now with our units .
It 's doable .
Our accuracy is a lot higher than the old paper trip method .
I just hope they make the tax amount a federal standard .
It sucks having to support different tax rates and structures in different states and figuring out what state to buy in .
Go IFTA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anonymous because no good deed goes unpunished;We have about 5000 tractors/power units/large trucks/18 wheelers -- whatever you want to call them.Our fuel tax for these type of vehicles are already partially based off of miles pulled through GPS.I spent about a year writing software that takes GPS data sent in over satellites in real time, collected about every 15 minutes, sending it to a highway/streets mileage calculator (PCMiler, RandMcNally, those types) and calculating our fuel tax.
I feel we have the most accurate reporting of any fleet, and state audits have proven this.That said, here is what you need to think about;What about gasoline that is not used in an automobile?
If it's not taxed at the pump, how do you tax mowers, ATV's, generators?
Granted, this is a highway tax.
But these are currently being taxed and you rarely see the government dropping a tax.
Right now we calculate diesel used in the various generators on trucks such as the refrigeration unit out, and file for a refund with the federal government and the states.What about GPS failures?
We often see our GPS units miscalculate a point and put the unit 5000 miles away in the middle of the ocean.
Sometimes it's just off by 50 miles.
Sanity checks are partially why it took so long to write the software I wrote.Off road use.
Legally, we shouldn't pay the highway use tax on local street use.
This is very difficult to calculate, as the roads are changing every day.
PCMiler and RandMcNally streets products have to make best guesses as to what road you are on, and it's not always right.
Are you on a toll road which has no road tax, or are you on the outer road, or the highway next to the outer road which does have road tax?
Moving 60MPH, GPS drift and changes in roads make this very difficult to be accurate 100\% of the time.What about accidents, when the GPS is damaged or damage is not noticed?What about when a car is toed?
Sometimes our units have to be toed hundreds of miles.
Legally, the toe truck is responsible.What about ferries?
Michigan has a ferry which travels across lake Michigan a long ways.
This should movement should not be taxes.What about trains?
Sometimes we place our units on trains.
Not sure if that is common with cars.Anyway, we are doing this now with our units.
It's doable.
Our accuracy is a lot higher than the old paper trip method.
I just hope they make the tax amount a federal standard.
It sucks having to support different tax rates and structures in different states and figuring out what state to buy in.
Go IFTA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546675</id>
	<title>Re:Positive Change</title>
	<author>iamangry</author>
	<datestamp>1246476660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, you can.  But FFS please don't!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , you can .
But FFS please do n't !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, you can.
But FFS please don't!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543897</id>
	<title>Simple solution to that tax issue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246468620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just take half of my paycheck every week and my ex can take the rest<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just take half of my paycheck every week and my ex can take the rest : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just take half of my paycheck every week and my ex can take the rest :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543771</id>
	<title>Simple math</title>
	<author>TINGEA77</author>
	<datestamp>1246468260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is it that 1 or 2 cents per mile will cover the current fuel taxes? Simple math:

Let's take the average: 1.5 cents per mile. My car does 26 miles a gallon on average, so that's 39 cents a gallon, compared to the current 18.5 cents per gallon, that's a nice 110\% tax increase. I like how the government sneaks in additional taxes as a new way of collecting existing taxes!

Just my 0.02 cents per mile.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is it that 1 or 2 cents per mile will cover the current fuel taxes ?
Simple math : Let 's take the average : 1.5 cents per mile .
My car does 26 miles a gallon on average , so that 's 39 cents a gallon , compared to the current 18.5 cents per gallon , that 's a nice 110 \ % tax increase .
I like how the government sneaks in additional taxes as a new way of collecting existing taxes !
Just my 0.02 cents per mile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is it that 1 or 2 cents per mile will cover the current fuel taxes?
Simple math:

Let's take the average: 1.5 cents per mile.
My car does 26 miles a gallon on average, so that's 39 cents a gallon, compared to the current 18.5 cents per gallon, that's a nice 110\% tax increase.
I like how the government sneaks in additional taxes as a new way of collecting existing taxes!
Just my 0.02 cents per mile.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544549</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246470420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.</i></p><p>The implication being... what? That you'll be able to avoid having your movements taxed by riding a bicycle? Please understand... Obama's only been in office less than a year. Give the man time. He'll eventually propose a solution to the problem of improperly-taxed bicycle riding activities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.The implication being... what ? That you 'll be able to avoid having your movements taxed by riding a bicycle ?
Please understand... Obama 's only been in office less than a year .
Give the man time .
He 'll eventually propose a solution to the problem of improperly-taxed bicycle riding activities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.The implication being... what? That you'll be able to avoid having your movements taxed by riding a bicycle?
Please understand... Obama's only been in office less than a year.
Give the man time.
He'll eventually propose a solution to the problem of improperly-taxed bicycle riding activities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543833</id>
	<title>Make it scale by mass/fuel efficiency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246468440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"One estimate of a road tax that would cover the current federal and state fuel taxes is 1 to 2 cents per mile for cars and light trucks."</p><p>*IF* they do this, and there are good reasons why they shouldn't, the tax should be scaled for the mass  (road wear) and fuel efficiency of the vehicle, otherwise you've eliminated the incentive for fuel efficiency.  Same tax for less efficient and heavier vehicles (read: "light trucks / SUVs") makes no sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" One estimate of a road tax that would cover the current federal and state fuel taxes is 1 to 2 cents per mile for cars and light trucks .
" * IF * they do this , and there are good reasons why they should n't , the tax should be scaled for the mass ( road wear ) and fuel efficiency of the vehicle , otherwise you 've eliminated the incentive for fuel efficiency .
Same tax for less efficient and heavier vehicles ( read : " light trucks / SUVs " ) makes no sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"One estimate of a road tax that would cover the current federal and state fuel taxes is 1 to 2 cents per mile for cars and light trucks.
"*IF* they do this, and there are good reasons why they shouldn't, the tax should be scaled for the mass  (road wear) and fuel efficiency of the vehicle, otherwise you've eliminated the incentive for fuel efficiency.
Same tax for less efficient and heavier vehicles (read: "light trucks / SUVs") makes no sense.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547837</id>
	<title>Issues</title>
	<author>MikeURL</author>
	<datestamp>1246480560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><ol>
<li>Not every car will have a GPS built in</li>
<li>The GPS unit will be subject to tampering</li>
<li>GPS units, at times, make huge errors in tracking</li>
<li>Motorcycles get off scot free</li>
<li>This would become a huge complex system of billing</li>
</ol><p>
In short, DOA.  A much, much more workable solution is to put surcharges on the yearly registration of electric vehicles.  That could be rolled out in a fairly straightforward way and would ensure that people in EVs pay for their share of road maintenance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not every car will have a GPS built in The GPS unit will be subject to tampering GPS units , at times , make huge errors in tracking Motorcycles get off scot free This would become a huge complex system of billing In short , DOA .
A much , much more workable solution is to put surcharges on the yearly registration of electric vehicles .
That could be rolled out in a fairly straightforward way and would ensure that people in EVs pay for their share of road maintenance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Not every car will have a GPS built in
The GPS unit will be subject to tampering
GPS units, at times, make huge errors in tracking
Motorcycles get off scot free
This would become a huge complex system of billing

In short, DOA.
A much, much more workable solution is to put surcharges on the yearly registration of electric vehicles.
That could be rolled out in a fairly straightforward way and would ensure that people in EVs pay for their share of road maintenance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546633</id>
	<title>*sigh*</title>
	<author>TheDarkener</author>
	<datestamp>1246476540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your tax dollars, being thrown away for no good reason.</p><p>I say we boycott money. We can get along without it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your tax dollars , being thrown away for no good reason.I say we boycott money .
We can get along without it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your tax dollars, being thrown away for no good reason.I say we boycott money.
We can get along without it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28551585</id>
	<title>Foiled again</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1246450800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This plan can be easily foiled with a car tinfoil hat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This plan can be easily foiled with a car tinfoil hat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This plan can be easily foiled with a car tinfoil hat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28551245</id>
	<title>Re:wtf</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246449060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, it's fucking double dipping. So I hear ya! People should say NO to this proposed idea. This is what licensing fees (and tolls for some roads) are already supposed to cover. And they should be using taxes on fuel, if more new cars get fuel efficient - raising the fuel tax will still help encourage older less efficient vehicles off the road.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it 's fucking double dipping .
So I hear ya !
People should say NO to this proposed idea .
This is what licensing fees ( and tolls for some roads ) are already supposed to cover .
And they should be using taxes on fuel , if more new cars get fuel efficient - raising the fuel tax will still help encourage older less efficient vehicles off the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it's fucking double dipping.
So I hear ya!
People should say NO to this proposed idea.
This is what licensing fees (and tolls for some roads) are already supposed to cover.
And they should be using taxes on fuel, if more new cars get fuel efficient - raising the fuel tax will still help encourage older less efficient vehicles off the road.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543149</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28552173</id>
	<title>Re:GPS Simulator</title>
	<author>wellingj</author>
	<datestamp>1246454220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Access to the hardware is the death to any "secure" system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Access to the hardware is the death to any " secure " system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Access to the hardware is the death to any "secure" system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543435</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543627</id>
	<title>Re:Reasonable!</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1246467780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And the bonus is, it would reduce the incentive to buy a fuel efficient car, since gas would cost less after they eliminate the gas tax. This is a great idea. <br>
Of course it would have the additional bonus of allowing the government to identify who went to that subversive protest, you know, the one protesting the suspension of elections.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And the bonus is , it would reduce the incentive to buy a fuel efficient car , since gas would cost less after they eliminate the gas tax .
This is a great idea .
Of course it would have the additional bonus of allowing the government to identify who went to that subversive protest , you know , the one protesting the suspension of elections .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the bonus is, it would reduce the incentive to buy a fuel efficient car, since gas would cost less after they eliminate the gas tax.
This is a great idea.
Of course it would have the additional bonus of allowing the government to identify who went to that subversive protest, you know, the one protesting the suspension of elections.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543217</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544871</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>StormReaver</author>
	<datestamp>1246471440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.</p><p>Americans held back on travel to conserve fuel and cut expenses, resulting in a Federal proclamation that the Government was losing too much money, and new distance-based taxes being created.  If too many Americans starting riding bicycles instead of driving cars, the Government would start taxing miles ridden on a bicycle to make up for money lost by people not driving a lot.  It's a no-win situation for American tax payers.</p><p>Hell, even the car insurance business has a guaranteed tax stream, even from drivers who don't own cars.  If you <b>ever</b> had car insurance, you <b>must</b> keep it for the rest of your life or face being put on the "high risk" insurance list.  This is the list that convicted drunk drivers are on.  When you're on this list, your insurance premiums are astronomical.  Even if you no longer have a car, and don't drive, you must keep some form of car insurance or be put on the high risk list.  In the distant past, I had lost my job just before my car died.  Since I wasn't going to be driving a car for the foreseeable future, I called Allstate and told them I wanted to cancel my car insurance for a while.  This is when I found out about all this.</p><p>Back to the subject at hand.  If we do anything that saves us tax money, our various Governments will find some other taxes to make up the difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.Americans held back on travel to conserve fuel and cut expenses , resulting in a Federal proclamation that the Government was losing too much money , and new distance-based taxes being created .
If too many Americans starting riding bicycles instead of driving cars , the Government would start taxing miles ridden on a bicycle to make up for money lost by people not driving a lot .
It 's a no-win situation for American tax payers.Hell , even the car insurance business has a guaranteed tax stream , even from drivers who do n't own cars .
If you ever had car insurance , you must keep it for the rest of your life or face being put on the " high risk " insurance list .
This is the list that convicted drunk drivers are on .
When you 're on this list , your insurance premiums are astronomical .
Even if you no longer have a car , and do n't drive , you must keep some form of car insurance or be put on the high risk list .
In the distant past , I had lost my job just before my car died .
Since I was n't going to be driving a car for the foreseeable future , I called Allstate and told them I wanted to cancel my car insurance for a while .
This is when I found out about all this.Back to the subject at hand .
If we do anything that saves us tax money , our various Governments will find some other taxes to make up the difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.Americans held back on travel to conserve fuel and cut expenses, resulting in a Federal proclamation that the Government was losing too much money, and new distance-based taxes being created.
If too many Americans starting riding bicycles instead of driving cars, the Government would start taxing miles ridden on a bicycle to make up for money lost by people not driving a lot.
It's a no-win situation for American tax payers.Hell, even the car insurance business has a guaranteed tax stream, even from drivers who don't own cars.
If you ever had car insurance, you must keep it for the rest of your life or face being put on the "high risk" insurance list.
This is the list that convicted drunk drivers are on.
When you're on this list, your insurance premiums are astronomical.
Even if you no longer have a car, and don't drive, you must keep some form of car insurance or be put on the high risk list.
In the distant past, I had lost my job just before my car died.
Since I wasn't going to be driving a car for the foreseeable future, I called Allstate and told them I wanted to cancel my car insurance for a while.
This is when I found out about all this.Back to the subject at hand.
If we do anything that saves us tax money, our various Governments will find some other taxes to make up the difference.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543583</id>
	<title>Just awful</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1246467720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This concept stinks like crude oil.  Probably because it's heavily supported by the oil industry.<br> <br>A 'miles driven' tax is exactly the kind of problem that allows people to completely externalize a lot of the public the cost of their fuel-inefficient vehicles (pollution, dependence on foreign oil, etc).  We need to force people to pay those costs, in order to provide a disincentive to buying inefficient vehicles.<br> <br>If we're going to switch to a miles-driven tax instead of a gas tax, then let's put a surchage tax on the purchase of inefficient vehicles.  Let's make it $100 per rated mpg under 50.<br> <br>Here's the math:<br> <br>Say a pickup truck gets 20 mpg (generous), and will be driven for only 100,000 miles over its life.  That's 5,000 gallons of fuel -- at federal excise rate of 18.4 cents/gal, that's $920 in gas taxes over the life of the vehicle.  <br> <br>Now look at a truck that gets 15 mpg.  Fuel taxes over the life of the vehicle are $1380 (again, assuming only 100k miles driven).<br> <br>A miles-driven tax, where both trucks pay the same amount, completely removes a big incentive to purchasing a fuel-efficient vehicle.  And given that the low mpg rating is typical of heavier vehicles that cause more road wear-and-tear, it's only fair that they pay higher taxes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This concept stinks like crude oil .
Probably because it 's heavily supported by the oil industry .
A 'miles driven ' tax is exactly the kind of problem that allows people to completely externalize a lot of the public the cost of their fuel-inefficient vehicles ( pollution , dependence on foreign oil , etc ) .
We need to force people to pay those costs , in order to provide a disincentive to buying inefficient vehicles .
If we 're going to switch to a miles-driven tax instead of a gas tax , then let 's put a surchage tax on the purchase of inefficient vehicles .
Let 's make it $ 100 per rated mpg under 50 .
Here 's the math : Say a pickup truck gets 20 mpg ( generous ) , and will be driven for only 100,000 miles over its life .
That 's 5,000 gallons of fuel -- at federal excise rate of 18.4 cents/gal , that 's $ 920 in gas taxes over the life of the vehicle .
Now look at a truck that gets 15 mpg .
Fuel taxes over the life of the vehicle are $ 1380 ( again , assuming only 100k miles driven ) .
A miles-driven tax , where both trucks pay the same amount , completely removes a big incentive to purchasing a fuel-efficient vehicle .
And given that the low mpg rating is typical of heavier vehicles that cause more road wear-and-tear , it 's only fair that they pay higher taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This concept stinks like crude oil.
Probably because it's heavily supported by the oil industry.
A 'miles driven' tax is exactly the kind of problem that allows people to completely externalize a lot of the public the cost of their fuel-inefficient vehicles (pollution, dependence on foreign oil, etc).
We need to force people to pay those costs, in order to provide a disincentive to buying inefficient vehicles.
If we're going to switch to a miles-driven tax instead of a gas tax, then let's put a surchage tax on the purchase of inefficient vehicles.
Let's make it $100 per rated mpg under 50.
Here's the math: Say a pickup truck gets 20 mpg (generous), and will be driven for only 100,000 miles over its life.
That's 5,000 gallons of fuel -- at federal excise rate of 18.4 cents/gal, that's $920 in gas taxes over the life of the vehicle.
Now look at a truck that gets 15 mpg.
Fuel taxes over the life of the vehicle are $1380 (again, assuming only 100k miles driven).
A miles-driven tax, where both trucks pay the same amount, completely removes a big incentive to purchasing a fuel-efficient vehicle.
And given that the low mpg rating is typical of heavier vehicles that cause more road wear-and-tear, it's only fair that they pay higher taxes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543335</id>
	<title>Bad idea</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1246467000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>We are coming up with all sorts of expensive plans to try to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and reduce the consumption of foreign oil, so why are we also trying to come up with a way to reduce the incentive to get a more fuel efficient car? Instead we should be massively increasing the tax on gasoline and possibly offering a flat rebate to counteract the regressive nature of use based taxes. That way tax revenue would keep up with decreasing demand and we would actually be naturally moving the market towards our long term goals.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We are coming up with all sorts of expensive plans to try to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and reduce the consumption of foreign oil , so why are we also trying to come up with a way to reduce the incentive to get a more fuel efficient car ?
Instead we should be massively increasing the tax on gasoline and possibly offering a flat rebate to counteract the regressive nature of use based taxes .
That way tax revenue would keep up with decreasing demand and we would actually be naturally moving the market towards our long term goals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are coming up with all sorts of expensive plans to try to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and reduce the consumption of foreign oil, so why are we also trying to come up with a way to reduce the incentive to get a more fuel efficient car?
Instead we should be massively increasing the tax on gasoline and possibly offering a flat rebate to counteract the regressive nature of use based taxes.
That way tax revenue would keep up with decreasing demand and we would actually be naturally moving the market towards our long term goals.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544531</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>cayenne8</author>
	<datestamp>1246470360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>"Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car."</i> <p>
Really? Where did you get this idea? I've never had one...never really have ever needed one.</p><p>
I only recently (past year or so) ran into the system at all...when after Katrina I had to live on the northshore side of Lake Pontchartrain. They have that EZ pass thing for crossing the bridge. I was only living over there for a year, and didn't want one...so I just paid in cash. Hell, I can write it off on my company taxes..so, no big deal.</p><p>
I get the feeling lots of the roads up in the NE of the US must be toll roads or something, but, away from there, at least down south and where I've lived in the west, I never ran into toll roads really.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car .
" Really ?
Where did you get this idea ?
I 've never had one...never really have ever needed one .
I only recently ( past year or so ) ran into the system at all...when after Katrina I had to live on the northshore side of Lake Pontchartrain .
They have that EZ pass thing for crossing the bridge .
I was only living over there for a year , and did n't want one...so I just paid in cash .
Hell , I can write it off on my company taxes..so , no big deal .
I get the feeling lots of the roads up in the NE of the US must be toll roads or something , but , away from there , at least down south and where I 've lived in the west , I never ran into toll roads really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car.
" 
Really?
Where did you get this idea?
I've never had one...never really have ever needed one.
I only recently (past year or so) ran into the system at all...when after Katrina I had to live on the northshore side of Lake Pontchartrain.
They have that EZ pass thing for crossing the bridge.
I was only living over there for a year, and didn't want one...so I just paid in cash.
Hell, I can write it off on my company taxes..so, no big deal.
I get the feeling lots of the roads up in the NE of the US must be toll roads or something, but, away from there, at least down south and where I've lived in the west, I never ran into toll roads really.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543275</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543453</id>
	<title>Needs another implementation...</title>
	<author>danking</author>
	<datestamp>1246467360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like the idea of a distance based tax instead of the amount of gasoline consumed. Since roadways are a major, major source of infrastructure dollars and the majority of those roads and only used by drivers. It is just the idea of having a government controlled GPS device scares me and they should think of a different implementation other than using the GPS device.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the idea of a distance based tax instead of the amount of gasoline consumed .
Since roadways are a major , major source of infrastructure dollars and the majority of those roads and only used by drivers .
It is just the idea of having a government controlled GPS device scares me and they should think of a different implementation other than using the GPS device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the idea of a distance based tax instead of the amount of gasoline consumed.
Since roadways are a major, major source of infrastructure dollars and the majority of those roads and only used by drivers.
It is just the idea of having a government controlled GPS device scares me and they should think of a different implementation other than using the GPS device.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545649</id>
	<title>Sounds like a perfect question for Sotamayor</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1246473720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Should we allow citizens be tracked in real time, just for the collection of taxes?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Should we allow citizens be tracked in real time , just for the collection of taxes ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Should we allow citizens be tracked in real time, just for the collection of taxes?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544673</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>nrozema</author>
	<datestamp>1246470780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>See, the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax, which is 18.5 cents a gallon.</p></div><p>Sad priorities we have in this country. The government knows that a tax increase is suicide, but pushing a technically complicated privacy nightmare will sail right through due to the "I've got nothing to hide" mentality of the majority.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>See , the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax , which is 18.5 cents a gallon.Sad priorities we have in this country .
The government knows that a tax increase is suicide , but pushing a technically complicated privacy nightmare will sail right through due to the " I 've got nothing to hide " mentality of the majority .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax, which is 18.5 cents a gallon.Sad priorities we have in this country.
The government knows that a tax increase is suicide, but pushing a technically complicated privacy nightmare will sail right through due to the "I've got nothing to hide" mentality of the majority.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543333</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543889</id>
	<title>Towing and tunnels?</title>
	<author>Gattman01</author>
	<datestamp>1246468620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about when a car is towed, or ferried, or moved some other way which gas isn't used?</p><p>How about driving through tunnels where you can get a GPS signal? I say we build our own underground road network!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about when a car is towed , or ferried , or moved some other way which gas is n't used ? How about driving through tunnels where you can get a GPS signal ?
I say we build our own underground road network !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about when a car is towed, or ferried, or moved some other way which gas isn't used?How about driving through tunnels where you can get a GPS signal?
I say we build our own underground road network!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543519</id>
	<title>Obvious problem</title>
	<author>nasor</author>
	<datestamp>1246467540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The obvious problem is that there are a LOT of places where people drive where you can't get good GPS signals (it's often impossible to pick up GPS signals in downtown areas with skyscrapers all around, for example). Do their plans include a way to magically make GPS receivers pick up signals where they currently can't?

<br> <br>
Also, what's to stop me from simply covering my GPS in grounded foil or something?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The obvious problem is that there are a LOT of places where people drive where you ca n't get good GPS signals ( it 's often impossible to pick up GPS signals in downtown areas with skyscrapers all around , for example ) .
Do their plans include a way to magically make GPS receivers pick up signals where they currently ca n't ?
Also , what 's to stop me from simply covering my GPS in grounded foil or something ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The obvious problem is that there are a LOT of places where people drive where you can't get good GPS signals (it's often impossible to pick up GPS signals in downtown areas with skyscrapers all around, for example).
Do their plans include a way to magically make GPS receivers pick up signals where they currently can't?
Also, what's to stop me from simply covering my GPS in grounded foil or something?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543487</id>
	<title>Good! GPS will die in a few years anyway</title>
	<author>Iffie</author>
	<datestamp>1246467420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just wanted to share that with you guys..
Check out climatebabes!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wanted to share that with you guys. . Check out climatebabes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wanted to share that with you guys..
Check out climatebabes!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544815</id>
	<title>Of course, revenue isn't the issue...</title>
	<author>binary paladin</author>
	<datestamp>1246471260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Revenue, the environment, foreign oil and hybrids have nothing to do with this. This has to do, plain and simple, with keeping track of people. Of course, the naysayers will be asked the age old question, "Well, if you haven't got anything to hide..." How anyone with an organ RESEMBLING a brain can make that argument is beyond me.</p><p>This is about knowing where you go and what you do.</p><p>Here's an idea, instead of trying to figure out how to offset the loss in gas taxes by finding new taxes how about you fat fucking greedy pieces of dog shit in DC stop filling every motherfucking bill passed, from those on military issues to cutting emissions, with pork that just oozes from every single crevice.</p><p>"With my taxes I pay for civilization." No. You don't. You pay for corrupt people with the most flexible sorts of morality on the planet to figure out ways to steal even more money from you.</p><p>What the fuck is wrong with this country? Every couple years I think, "Well, it has to rebound at some point." Apparently not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Revenue , the environment , foreign oil and hybrids have nothing to do with this .
This has to do , plain and simple , with keeping track of people .
Of course , the naysayers will be asked the age old question , " Well , if you have n't got anything to hide... " How anyone with an organ RESEMBLING a brain can make that argument is beyond me.This is about knowing where you go and what you do.Here 's an idea , instead of trying to figure out how to offset the loss in gas taxes by finding new taxes how about you fat fucking greedy pieces of dog shit in DC stop filling every motherfucking bill passed , from those on military issues to cutting emissions , with pork that just oozes from every single crevice .
" With my taxes I pay for civilization .
" No .
You do n't .
You pay for corrupt people with the most flexible sorts of morality on the planet to figure out ways to steal even more money from you.What the fuck is wrong with this country ?
Every couple years I think , " Well , it has to rebound at some point .
" Apparently not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Revenue, the environment, foreign oil and hybrids have nothing to do with this.
This has to do, plain and simple, with keeping track of people.
Of course, the naysayers will be asked the age old question, "Well, if you haven't got anything to hide..." How anyone with an organ RESEMBLING a brain can make that argument is beyond me.This is about knowing where you go and what you do.Here's an idea, instead of trying to figure out how to offset the loss in gas taxes by finding new taxes how about you fat fucking greedy pieces of dog shit in DC stop filling every motherfucking bill passed, from those on military issues to cutting emissions, with pork that just oozes from every single crevice.
"With my taxes I pay for civilization.
" No.
You don't.
You pay for corrupt people with the most flexible sorts of morality on the planet to figure out ways to steal even more money from you.What the fuck is wrong with this country?
Every couple years I think, "Well, it has to rebound at some point.
" Apparently not.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544913</id>
	<title>Re:Regressive tax, will hurt the poor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, this is a *flat tax* on road consumption. Everyone pays the same amount per mile of road. One could argue that a mile of bridge is more expensive than a mile of plain road, but this closer to even taxation.</p><p>Also, lower-income people *do not* tend to drive small fuel-efficient cars. They tend to drive older cars, which may be less fuel-efficient. Older cars save thousands of dollars over a few gallons of gas.</p><p>I became 16 (and not rich) in the late 1980's and all the 5 to 10 year old cars were small fuel-efficient ones due to the 1973 gas crisis. Today, those 5 year old cars are SUVs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , this is a * flat tax * on road consumption .
Everyone pays the same amount per mile of road .
One could argue that a mile of bridge is more expensive than a mile of plain road , but this closer to even taxation.Also , lower-income people * do not * tend to drive small fuel-efficient cars .
They tend to drive older cars , which may be less fuel-efficient .
Older cars save thousands of dollars over a few gallons of gas.I became 16 ( and not rich ) in the late 1980 's and all the 5 to 10 year old cars were small fuel-efficient ones due to the 1973 gas crisis .
Today , those 5 year old cars are SUVs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, this is a *flat tax* on road consumption.
Everyone pays the same amount per mile of road.
One could argue that a mile of bridge is more expensive than a mile of plain road, but this closer to even taxation.Also, lower-income people *do not* tend to drive small fuel-efficient cars.
They tend to drive older cars, which may be less fuel-efficient.
Older cars save thousands of dollars over a few gallons of gas.I became 16 (and not rich) in the late 1980's and all the 5 to 10 year old cars were small fuel-efficient ones due to the 1973 gas crisis.
Today, those 5 year old cars are SUVs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543499</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543221</id>
	<title>Yet another reason to install linux in your car</title>
	<author>iCantSpell</author>
	<datestamp>1246466700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This idea is a complete joke. Who would seriously allow the government to be attatched to their car? Onstar probably already lets the NSA have what ever access they want.</p><p>Also how would anyone know what exactly is being sent? You would think tracking credit cards, cell phones, laptops, social sites, and digital television would be enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This idea is a complete joke .
Who would seriously allow the government to be attatched to their car ?
Onstar probably already lets the NSA have what ever access they want.Also how would anyone know what exactly is being sent ?
You would think tracking credit cards , cell phones , laptops , social sites , and digital television would be enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This idea is a complete joke.
Who would seriously allow the government to be attatched to their car?
Onstar probably already lets the NSA have what ever access they want.Also how would anyone know what exactly is being sent?
You would think tracking credit cards, cell phones, laptops, social sites, and digital television would be enough.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546411</id>
	<title>Re:Reasonable!</title>
	<author>hmar</author>
	<datestamp>1246475940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Another advantage of a fuel tax is that it is taken when I buy my gas, like sales tax. I don't need to think about it, or remember to mail a check, and the existing infrastructure can handle it. This GPS tax will require huge amounts of effort to implement and enforce, either causing a larger IRS, or a whole new taxing division. This will offset any gains made, and force the government to increase the amount almost immediately, not to mention that the federal government will need to spend a fortune subsidizing the initial purchases of GPS units.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another advantage of a fuel tax is that it is taken when I buy my gas , like sales tax .
I do n't need to think about it , or remember to mail a check , and the existing infrastructure can handle it .
This GPS tax will require huge amounts of effort to implement and enforce , either causing a larger IRS , or a whole new taxing division .
This will offset any gains made , and force the government to increase the amount almost immediately , not to mention that the federal government will need to spend a fortune subsidizing the initial purchases of GPS units .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another advantage of a fuel tax is that it is taken when I buy my gas, like sales tax.
I don't need to think about it, or remember to mail a check, and the existing infrastructure can handle it.
This GPS tax will require huge amounts of effort to implement and enforce, either causing a larger IRS, or a whole new taxing division.
This will offset any gains made, and force the government to increase the amount almost immediately, not to mention that the federal government will need to spend a fortune subsidizing the initial purchases of GPS units.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543509</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547593</id>
	<title>What if?</title>
	<author>slapout</author>
	<datestamp>1246479960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens when the GPS system goes down?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when the GPS system goes down ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when the GPS system goes down?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28548645</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1246439700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude. You don't exist, remember? Stop posting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude .
You do n't exist , remember ?
Stop posting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude.
You don't exist, remember?
Stop posting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543425</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543291</id>
	<title>Sounds familiar.</title>
	<author>scld</author>
	<datestamp>1246466940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And here I thought the UK was going to win the race to 1984.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And here I thought the UK was going to win the race to 1984 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here I thought the UK was going to win the race to 1984.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545941</id>
	<title>Land of the Free, Home of the Brave</title>
	<author>PinchDuck</author>
	<datestamp>1246474620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where the government tracks your every movement. What bullshit. Of course, GPS is very easily blocked or washed out. This means that they will also have to notice when your car's odometer changes without the GPS appearing to move. Which can only mean one thing: The 10-4 FU form on your tax return, comparing odometer movement to GPS logs.<br>How about our government just figure out how to balance their damned budget with the money they have coming in? Or is that to bloody easy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where the government tracks your every movement .
What bullshit .
Of course , GPS is very easily blocked or washed out .
This means that they will also have to notice when your car 's odometer changes without the GPS appearing to move .
Which can only mean one thing : The 10-4 FU form on your tax return , comparing odometer movement to GPS logs.How about our government just figure out how to balance their damned budget with the money they have coming in ?
Or is that to bloody easy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where the government tracks your every movement.
What bullshit.
Of course, GPS is very easily blocked or washed out.
This means that they will also have to notice when your car's odometer changes without the GPS appearing to move.
Which can only mean one thing: The 10-4 FU form on your tax return, comparing odometer movement to GPS logs.How about our government just figure out how to balance their damned budget with the money they have coming in?
Or is that to bloody easy?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543961</id>
	<title>Re:Do the simple thing</title>
	<author>Pig Hogger</author>
	<datestamp>1246468800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <em>Just put a tax on gasoline.  Cars that use more fossil fuel and polute more will pay more.  Simple. </em> </p></div>
</blockquote><p>Better yet, heavier vehicle (trucks) damage roads more. And they need more gasoline to go the same way than a smaller car. So you get revenue more proportional to road damage to pay for maintenance.</p><p>That&rsquo;s a double win-win!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just put a tax on gasoline .
Cars that use more fossil fuel and polute more will pay more .
Simple . Better yet , heavier vehicle ( trucks ) damage roads more .
And they need more gasoline to go the same way than a smaller car .
So you get revenue more proportional to road damage to pay for maintenance.That    s a double win-win !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Just put a tax on gasoline.
Cars that use more fossil fuel and polute more will pay more.
Simple.  
Better yet, heavier vehicle (trucks) damage roads more.
And they need more gasoline to go the same way than a smaller car.
So you get revenue more proportional to road damage to pay for maintenance.That’s a double win-win!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543469</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</id>
	<title>Odometer</title>
	<author>White Flame</author>
	<datestamp>1246466580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They could just check the odometer during emissions checking.</p><p>Plus, if they go through with something like this, then they'd better eliminate the fuel taxes.  (fat chance, I know)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They could just check the odometer during emissions checking.Plus , if they go through with something like this , then they 'd better eliminate the fuel taxes .
( fat chance , I know )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could just check the odometer during emissions checking.Plus, if they go through with something like this, then they'd better eliminate the fuel taxes.
(fat chance, I know)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543603</id>
	<title>This is (as usual) bullshit</title>
	<author>Pig Hogger</author>
	<datestamp>1246467780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is just bullshit to make sure that a guy driving a Hummer will pay no more taxes than a guy who drives a Prius.<p>
A gas tax has the advantage of taxing pollution, but the americans seem to enjoy polluting, so they will penalize instead those who don't pollute.</p><p>
Never mind that a gas tax is easier to collect than having to read the data from a zillion vehicles and compile bills and mail them and collect them!!!</p><p>
I thought that O'Bama was not an oil industry shill???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just bullshit to make sure that a guy driving a Hummer will pay no more taxes than a guy who drives a Prius .
A gas tax has the advantage of taxing pollution , but the americans seem to enjoy polluting , so they will penalize instead those who do n't pollute .
Never mind that a gas tax is easier to collect than having to read the data from a zillion vehicles and compile bills and mail them and collect them ! ! !
I thought that O'Bama was not an oil industry shill ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just bullshit to make sure that a guy driving a Hummer will pay no more taxes than a guy who drives a Prius.
A gas tax has the advantage of taxing pollution, but the americans seem to enjoy polluting, so they will penalize instead those who don't pollute.
Never mind that a gas tax is easier to collect than having to read the data from a zillion vehicles and compile bills and mail them and collect them!!!
I thought that O'Bama was not an oil industry shill??
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544069</id>
	<title>Re:This is (as usual) bullshit</title>
	<author>blueg3</author>
	<datestamp>1246469100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where does Obama factor in to this? Is he even on the National Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing Commission? Or are you just assuming that anything remotely relating to the federal government must be based on a decision by Obama? Apparently he's some sort of king and every politician and government official in Washington asks his opinion of every matter and does his bidding.</p><p>Oh wait, I found a mention of Obama on the second page: "U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood earlier this year said the road tax should be among the options considered for future financing, but he backtracked with a statement that such a tax was not Obama administration policy."</p><p>Except that doesn't agree with you at all! I'm no Obama fanboy, but you could at least be a little more factually accurate in your criticism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where does Obama factor in to this ?
Is he even on the National Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing Commission ?
Or are you just assuming that anything remotely relating to the federal government must be based on a decision by Obama ?
Apparently he 's some sort of king and every politician and government official in Washington asks his opinion of every matter and does his bidding.Oh wait , I found a mention of Obama on the second page : " U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood earlier this year said the road tax should be among the options considered for future financing , but he backtracked with a statement that such a tax was not Obama administration policy .
" Except that does n't agree with you at all !
I 'm no Obama fanboy , but you could at least be a little more factually accurate in your criticism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where does Obama factor in to this?
Is he even on the National Surface Transportation Infrastructure Financing Commission?
Or are you just assuming that anything remotely relating to the federal government must be based on a decision by Obama?
Apparently he's some sort of king and every politician and government official in Washington asks his opinion of every matter and does his bidding.Oh wait, I found a mention of Obama on the second page: "U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood earlier this year said the road tax should be among the options considered for future financing, but he backtracked with a statement that such a tax was not Obama administration policy.
"Except that doesn't agree with you at all!
I'm no Obama fanboy, but you could at least be a little more factually accurate in your criticism.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543603</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546093</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong with the gas tax?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246474980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My guess is it's the rich idiots driving 10 mpg SUVs that think global warming is a myth pushing for this. Odd, the SUV owners all whine "but I need a big car to haul a bunch of people" but I rarely see one of these monstrosities with more than one person in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My guess is it 's the rich idiots driving 10 mpg SUVs that think global warming is a myth pushing for this .
Odd , the SUV owners all whine " but I need a big car to haul a bunch of people " but I rarely see one of these monstrosities with more than one person in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My guess is it's the rich idiots driving 10 mpg SUVs that think global warming is a myth pushing for this.
Odd, the SUV owners all whine "but I need a big car to haul a bunch of people" but I rarely see one of these monstrosities with more than one person in it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543677</id>
	<title>Re:Positive Change</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yes we can!</p></div><p>2 year commission. Just concluded.. Hmm...</p><p>Think about it.</p><p>Then stfu.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes we can ! 2 year commission .
Just concluded.. Hmm...Think about it.Then stfu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes we can!2 year commission.
Just concluded.. Hmm...Think about it.Then stfu.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543947</id>
	<title>Re:Tracking vs. billing</title>
	<author>Ares</author>
	<datestamp>1246468740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i don't buy for a minute that a 1 ton highly fuel efficient car puts more wear on the roads than a 3 ton suv or a 18-wheeler. generally speaking heavier vehicles consume more fuel than lighter vehicles do. coincidentally, heavier vehicles also tend to consume more energy (note that i didn't say fuel) per unit distance than lighter vehicles do. thus if the problem is falling gas tax revenue because vehicles are becoming more fuel efficient (a goal which we should be embracing), the solution is to increase the gas tax, and come up with some way of metering plug-in electric's electricity usage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i do n't buy for a minute that a 1 ton highly fuel efficient car puts more wear on the roads than a 3 ton suv or a 18-wheeler .
generally speaking heavier vehicles consume more fuel than lighter vehicles do .
coincidentally , heavier vehicles also tend to consume more energy ( note that i did n't say fuel ) per unit distance than lighter vehicles do .
thus if the problem is falling gas tax revenue because vehicles are becoming more fuel efficient ( a goal which we should be embracing ) , the solution is to increase the gas tax , and come up with some way of metering plug-in electric 's electricity usage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i don't buy for a minute that a 1 ton highly fuel efficient car puts more wear on the roads than a 3 ton suv or a 18-wheeler.
generally speaking heavier vehicles consume more fuel than lighter vehicles do.
coincidentally, heavier vehicles also tend to consume more energy (note that i didn't say fuel) per unit distance than lighter vehicles do.
thus if the problem is falling gas tax revenue because vehicles are becoming more fuel efficient (a goal which we should be embracing), the solution is to increase the gas tax, and come up with some way of metering plug-in electric's electricity usage.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543493</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543995</id>
	<title>Re:As if...</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1246468860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can the gov't even <i>spell?</i></p> </div><p>Fixed =)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can the gov't even spell ?
Fixed = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can the gov't even spell?
Fixed =)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543479</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544329</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246469820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not if they would tax differently depending on the type of vehicle you drive.  If they can install GPS device and track it, they can easily tell what care you're driving.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not if they would tax differently depending on the type of vehicle you drive .
If they can install GPS device and track it , they can easily tell what care you 're driving .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not if they would tax differently depending on the type of vehicle you drive.
If they can install GPS device and track it, they can easily tell what care you're driving.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543333</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544571</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246470540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not all states do emissions testing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not all states do emissions testing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not all states do emissions testing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544053</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>tconnors</author>
	<datestamp>1246469040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But WHY?  What on earth do they aim to achieve?  I am honestly baffled by this.</p><p>Apart from not being convinced that fuel usage is actually going down per kilometer (maybe it is in the US, but it certainly isn't in Australia, where we liked bigger cars up until last year), if you are getting less income through fuel tax, increase the tax.  Since they are presumably wanting to</p><p>1) earn tax revenues<br>2) perhaps, if they're really enlightened, discourage CO2 emission</p><p>both of those can be achieved by increasing the tax rate on the fuel (km is only a loose proxy for CO2 emission, whereas fuel usage is directly proportional to CO2 emission and *very easily measured* and *already taken care of, dammit*, and not a flat rate charge that discourages people from driving lighter more fuel efficient vehicles.</p><p><i>"The Chevrolet Volt won't pay a penny of fuel tax," Rahn said of the electric car that will make its debut next year.</i></p><p>Yeah, but it will pay a carbon tax if the car is charged up from a typical power source.  Which, in a sensible world, would actually be a non-negligible amount of money.</p><p><i>"If you're committed to the system being improved then it was a no-brainer," he said.</i><br>Clearly.  The stupidity.  It hurts!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But WHY ?
What on earth do they aim to achieve ?
I am honestly baffled by this.Apart from not being convinced that fuel usage is actually going down per kilometer ( maybe it is in the US , but it certainly is n't in Australia , where we liked bigger cars up until last year ) , if you are getting less income through fuel tax , increase the tax .
Since they are presumably wanting to1 ) earn tax revenues2 ) perhaps , if they 're really enlightened , discourage CO2 emissionboth of those can be achieved by increasing the tax rate on the fuel ( km is only a loose proxy for CO2 emission , whereas fuel usage is directly proportional to CO2 emission and * very easily measured * and * already taken care of , dammit * , and not a flat rate charge that discourages people from driving lighter more fuel efficient vehicles .
" The Chevrolet Volt wo n't pay a penny of fuel tax , " Rahn said of the electric car that will make its debut next year.Yeah , but it will pay a carbon tax if the car is charged up from a typical power source .
Which , in a sensible world , would actually be a non-negligible amount of money .
" If you 're committed to the system being improved then it was a no-brainer , " he said.Clearly .
The stupidity .
It hurts !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But WHY?
What on earth do they aim to achieve?
I am honestly baffled by this.Apart from not being convinced that fuel usage is actually going down per kilometer (maybe it is in the US, but it certainly isn't in Australia, where we liked bigger cars up until last year), if you are getting less income through fuel tax, increase the tax.
Since they are presumably wanting to1) earn tax revenues2) perhaps, if they're really enlightened, discourage CO2 emissionboth of those can be achieved by increasing the tax rate on the fuel (km is only a loose proxy for CO2 emission, whereas fuel usage is directly proportional to CO2 emission and *very easily measured* and *already taken care of, dammit*, and not a flat rate charge that discourages people from driving lighter more fuel efficient vehicles.
"The Chevrolet Volt won't pay a penny of fuel tax," Rahn said of the electric car that will make its debut next year.Yeah, but it will pay a carbon tax if the car is charged up from a typical power source.
Which, in a sensible world, would actually be a non-negligible amount of money.
"If you're committed to the system being improved then it was a no-brainer," he said.Clearly.
The stupidity.
It hurts!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543149</id>
	<title>wtf</title>
	<author>WilyCoder</author>
	<datestamp>1246466460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what the fuck man</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what the fuck man</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what the fuck man</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543439</id>
	<title>$47 a week to drive</title>
	<author>quall</author>
	<datestamp>1246467300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1 cent a mile would cost me about $2.50 a week just to drive to work. That is $0.50 more than the 18cent tax. In 10 years though, that may not seem like much more. Parking is then $15 a week and at $2.60 a gallon, I would be spending $30 a week on gas.

So, it would cost me $47 a week just to go to work and back. With a rising cost in parking and now more to just drive, all this means is that I will drive even less by moving closer to work or simply working from home (network infrastructure is set up for this, but it is not preferred.) Maybe I will take a bus (OMG!)

I would like to know where on my motorcycle they are going to put the GPS. I already power my own and a few other trinkets, I hope they plan on supplying batteries lol.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 cent a mile would cost me about $ 2.50 a week just to drive to work .
That is $ 0.50 more than the 18cent tax .
In 10 years though , that may not seem like much more .
Parking is then $ 15 a week and at $ 2.60 a gallon , I would be spending $ 30 a week on gas .
So , it would cost me $ 47 a week just to go to work and back .
With a rising cost in parking and now more to just drive , all this means is that I will drive even less by moving closer to work or simply working from home ( network infrastructure is set up for this , but it is not preferred .
) Maybe I will take a bus ( OMG !
) I would like to know where on my motorcycle they are going to put the GPS .
I already power my own and a few other trinkets , I hope they plan on supplying batteries lol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1 cent a mile would cost me about $2.50 a week just to drive to work.
That is $0.50 more than the 18cent tax.
In 10 years though, that may not seem like much more.
Parking is then $15 a week and at $2.60 a gallon, I would be spending $30 a week on gas.
So, it would cost me $47 a week just to go to work and back.
With a rising cost in parking and now more to just drive, all this means is that I will drive even less by moving closer to work or simply working from home (network infrastructure is set up for this, but it is not preferred.
) Maybe I will take a bus (OMG!
)

I would like to know where on my motorcycle they are going to put the GPS.
I already power my own and a few other trinkets, I hope they plan on supplying batteries lol.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28552115</id>
	<title>Re:Just awful</title>
	<author>Leuf</author>
	<datestamp>1246453800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you're suggesting the other 90\% of the cost of gas doesn't provide any incentive for better fuel economy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you 're suggesting the other 90 \ % of the cost of gas does n't provide any incentive for better fuel economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you're suggesting the other 90\% of the cost of gas doesn't provide any incentive for better fuel economy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543583</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544311</id>
	<title>Re:What's wrong with the gas tax?</title>
	<author>LordKronos</author>
	<datestamp>1246469760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd agree if all vehicles were gas powered, but now we are looking at other fuels. Most of those could be taxed similarly, but you run into a little hitch with electric plugins. The only way to tax them appropriately would be to mandate that they only be charged via special, separately metered outlets but it's going to be pretty difficult to prevent people from plugging it in to the normal outlet. Even if you change the plug configuration, people will just use adapters. The only solutions I see are:</p><p>1) make some sort of DRM-like system for the meter to communicate with the car, where the car will only initiate charging once the meter authenticates itself. Good luck with that.</p><p>2) have a system where non electric cars are taxed on the fuel, but electrics meter their own use and report back (like this proposed GPS system, except without the GPS).</p><p>Or you can just outright give up on the fuel tax and go to a mileage tax as this article discusses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd agree if all vehicles were gas powered , but now we are looking at other fuels .
Most of those could be taxed similarly , but you run into a little hitch with electric plugins .
The only way to tax them appropriately would be to mandate that they only be charged via special , separately metered outlets but it 's going to be pretty difficult to prevent people from plugging it in to the normal outlet .
Even if you change the plug configuration , people will just use adapters .
The only solutions I see are : 1 ) make some sort of DRM-like system for the meter to communicate with the car , where the car will only initiate charging once the meter authenticates itself .
Good luck with that.2 ) have a system where non electric cars are taxed on the fuel , but electrics meter their own use and report back ( like this proposed GPS system , except without the GPS ) .Or you can just outright give up on the fuel tax and go to a mileage tax as this article discusses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd agree if all vehicles were gas powered, but now we are looking at other fuels.
Most of those could be taxed similarly, but you run into a little hitch with electric plugins.
The only way to tax them appropriately would be to mandate that they only be charged via special, separately metered outlets but it's going to be pretty difficult to prevent people from plugging it in to the normal outlet.
Even if you change the plug configuration, people will just use adapters.
The only solutions I see are:1) make some sort of DRM-like system for the meter to communicate with the car, where the car will only initiate charging once the meter authenticates itself.
Good luck with that.2) have a system where non electric cars are taxed on the fuel, but electrics meter their own use and report back (like this proposed GPS system, except without the GPS).Or you can just outright give up on the fuel tax and go to a mileage tax as this article discusses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546573</id>
	<title>Apparently Congress is Bi...</title>
	<author>quickpick</author>
	<datestamp>1246476360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn it so they tell the auto industry to make more efficient cars then they fuck us over by making us pay more since we're being good 'green' citizens?  How about actually REVIEWING these "Transportation Projects" by determining who it connects whom to, dividing the cost of the project by the number of people it will affect and then deducting from the cost the amount of increased consumer spending times the amount of tax generated to come up with is this a sound project.  If you can't justify it DON'T WASTE THE TAXPAYERS DOLLAR!  <p>Sorry, I get annoyed when we the stupid elect the Inept.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn it so they tell the auto industry to make more efficient cars then they fuck us over by making us pay more since we 're being good 'green ' citizens ?
How about actually REVIEWING these " Transportation Projects " by determining who it connects whom to , dividing the cost of the project by the number of people it will affect and then deducting from the cost the amount of increased consumer spending times the amount of tax generated to come up with is this a sound project .
If you ca n't justify it DO N'T WASTE THE TAXPAYERS DOLLAR !
Sorry , I get annoyed when we the stupid elect the Inept .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn it so they tell the auto industry to make more efficient cars then they fuck us over by making us pay more since we're being good 'green' citizens?
How about actually REVIEWING these "Transportation Projects" by determining who it connects whom to, dividing the cost of the project by the number of people it will affect and then deducting from the cost the amount of increased consumer spending times the amount of tax generated to come up with is this a sound project.
If you can't justify it DON'T WASTE THE TAXPAYERS DOLLAR!
Sorry, I get annoyed when we the stupid elect the Inept.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28549923</id>
	<title>Re:Odometers lie!</title>
	<author>colinnwn</author>
	<datestamp>1246443480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Odometers fail, they can lie, they can be defeated. Of course there are ways to prevent a GPS based system from working too. Don't know that there is an easy answer here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Odometers fail , they can lie , they can be defeated .
Of course there are ways to prevent a GPS based system from working too .
Do n't know that there is an easy answer here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Odometers fail, they can lie, they can be defeated.
Of course there are ways to prevent a GPS based system from working too.
Don't know that there is an easy answer here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28548181</id>
	<title>Tin Foil</title>
	<author>RsJtSu</author>
	<datestamp>1246481580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this is passed and all vehicles are required to have a GPS, I will just simply locate it and wrap it in tin foil!<br>
On a serious note, how will this effect people whose jobs require them to drive daily on a sales route? What about truckers whose job it is to take freight across the country? Do you have any idea how much more the costs of goods would become IF there is a per mile tax? I mean come on, the IRS recommends $.50 a mile PAY for someone who works a route, so suddenly $.50 a mile no longer covers gas, wear and tear, plus incentive to drive freight/goods/services.<p>
And another thing, with the recent number of 1 out of 6 Americans out of work, why do we not start a federally funded infrastructure rebuilding project using those who are currently out of work? You could use labor, engineers, managers, etc to repair the failing infrastructure we currently have.
</p><p> <b>NOW THAT'S A BAILOUT THAT HELPS EVERYONE!</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this is passed and all vehicles are required to have a GPS , I will just simply locate it and wrap it in tin foil !
On a serious note , how will this effect people whose jobs require them to drive daily on a sales route ?
What about truckers whose job it is to take freight across the country ?
Do you have any idea how much more the costs of goods would become IF there is a per mile tax ?
I mean come on , the IRS recommends $ .50 a mile PAY for someone who works a route , so suddenly $ .50 a mile no longer covers gas , wear and tear , plus incentive to drive freight/goods/services .
And another thing , with the recent number of 1 out of 6 Americans out of work , why do we not start a federally funded infrastructure rebuilding project using those who are currently out of work ?
You could use labor , engineers , managers , etc to repair the failing infrastructure we currently have .
NOW THAT 'S A BAILOUT THAT HELPS EVERYONE !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this is passed and all vehicles are required to have a GPS, I will just simply locate it and wrap it in tin foil!
On a serious note, how will this effect people whose jobs require them to drive daily on a sales route?
What about truckers whose job it is to take freight across the country?
Do you have any idea how much more the costs of goods would become IF there is a per mile tax?
I mean come on, the IRS recommends $.50 a mile PAY for someone who works a route, so suddenly $.50 a mile no longer covers gas, wear and tear, plus incentive to drive freight/goods/services.
And another thing, with the recent number of 1 out of 6 Americans out of work, why do we not start a federally funded infrastructure rebuilding project using those who are currently out of work?
You could use labor, engineers, managers, etc to repair the failing infrastructure we currently have.
NOW THAT'S A BAILOUT THAT HELPS EVERYONE!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543303</id>
	<title>What's wrong with the gas tax?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246466940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the government pushing through cap and trade, why would we replace the gas tax?  The gas tax both taxes people based on distance driven and pollution generated.  Now, if cars become more efficient, we might need to raise it, but from where I'm sitting it offers a nice incentive for people to drive more fuel efficient vehicles and pays for the roads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the government pushing through cap and trade , why would we replace the gas tax ?
The gas tax both taxes people based on distance driven and pollution generated .
Now , if cars become more efficient , we might need to raise it , but from where I 'm sitting it offers a nice incentive for people to drive more fuel efficient vehicles and pays for the roads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the government pushing through cap and trade, why would we replace the gas tax?
The gas tax both taxes people based on distance driven and pollution generated.
Now, if cars become more efficient, we might need to raise it, but from where I'm sitting it offers a nice incentive for people to drive more fuel efficient vehicles and pays for the roads.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543939</id>
	<title>GPS Interference an accident?</title>
	<author>meerling</author>
	<datestamp>1246468740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Considering how easy it is to mess with a GPS receiver, I wonder how many of them will suffer from <i>"reception issues"</i>.<br> <br>

Also, what will the government do about all those long drives in non-reception areas, like all those mountains we have here in Oregon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering how easy it is to mess with a GPS receiver , I wonder how many of them will suffer from " reception issues " .
Also , what will the government do about all those long drives in non-reception areas , like all those mountains we have here in Oregon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering how easy it is to mess with a GPS receiver, I wonder how many of them will suffer from "reception issues".
Also, what will the government do about all those long drives in non-reception areas, like all those mountains we have here in Oregon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546965</id>
	<title>Re:Just awful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246477740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why make it so complicated? Just have a different rate depending on the vehicle type. For instance lightweight cars are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.02, lighweight trucks and SUVs are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.03, middle weight trucks and SUVS (based on a 3/4 ton chassis) are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.04, full ton chassis are<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.05, and so on.</p><p>Also, I really would like to see a study that clearly states a 3/4 ton chassis pickup does any more damage to the road surface than standard minivan does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why make it so complicated ?
Just have a different rate depending on the vehicle type .
For instance lightweight cars are .02 , lighweight trucks and SUVs are .03 , middle weight trucks and SUVS ( based on a 3/4 ton chassis ) are .04 , full ton chassis are .05 , and so on.Also , I really would like to see a study that clearly states a 3/4 ton chassis pickup does any more damage to the road surface than standard minivan does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why make it so complicated?
Just have a different rate depending on the vehicle type.
For instance lightweight cars are .02, lighweight trucks and SUVs are .03, middle weight trucks and SUVS (based on a 3/4 ton chassis) are .04, full ton chassis are .05, and so on.Also, I really would like to see a study that clearly states a 3/4 ton chassis pickup does any more damage to the road surface than standard minivan does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543165</id>
	<title>Tracking vs. billing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246466520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they instead mandated a counter in the ECM that tracked mileage, I'd think maybe I was all for it.  But they want GPS "tracking", and they're not even hiding the fact.  If they want money for highway/construction projects, then just jack up the gas tax.  Gas consumption is directly related to mileage driven.<br><br>Keep your fucking GPS trackers out of my life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they instead mandated a counter in the ECM that tracked mileage , I 'd think maybe I was all for it .
But they want GPS " tracking " , and they 're not even hiding the fact .
If they want money for highway/construction projects , then just jack up the gas tax .
Gas consumption is directly related to mileage driven.Keep your fucking GPS trackers out of my life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they instead mandated a counter in the ECM that tracked mileage, I'd think maybe I was all for it.
But they want GPS "tracking", and they're not even hiding the fact.
If they want money for highway/construction projects, then just jack up the gas tax.
Gas consumption is directly related to mileage driven.Keep your fucking GPS trackers out of my life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28555283</id>
	<title>Congestion by charging better than by distance?</title>
	<author>NMansfield</author>
	<datestamp>1246529580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The book ("Sustainable Energy - without the hot air") in <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/submission/1030811/Solving-the-Energy-Crisis-by-Tripling-Electricity" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://tech.slashdot.org/submission/1030811/Solving-the-Energy-Crisis-by-Tripling-Electricity</a> [slashdot.org] describes an interesting variant on this.
Instead of charging by distance travelled, the idea is the charge by the level of congestion, which is measured by a radio transmitter/receiver which detects the proximity of other (similarly equipped) vehicles.  Congested driving leads to higher fuel consumption, so congestion charging taxes both high fuel consumption and impact on other road users.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The book ( " Sustainable Energy - without the hot air " ) in http : //tech.slashdot.org/submission/1030811/Solving-the-Energy-Crisis-by-Tripling-Electricity [ slashdot.org ] describes an interesting variant on this .
Instead of charging by distance travelled , the idea is the charge by the level of congestion , which is measured by a radio transmitter/receiver which detects the proximity of other ( similarly equipped ) vehicles .
Congested driving leads to higher fuel consumption , so congestion charging taxes both high fuel consumption and impact on other road users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The book ("Sustainable Energy - without the hot air") in http://tech.slashdot.org/submission/1030811/Solving-the-Energy-Crisis-by-Tripling-Electricity [slashdot.org] describes an interesting variant on this.
Instead of charging by distance travelled, the idea is the charge by the level of congestion, which is measured by a radio transmitter/receiver which detects the proximity of other (similarly equipped) vehicles.
Congested driving leads to higher fuel consumption, so congestion charging taxes both high fuel consumption and impact on other road users.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546643</id>
	<title>The actual solution:</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1246476540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First let us define the problem:<br>Electric vehicles do not use gasoline and therefore are not taxed to pay for road maintenance. More fuel efficient vehicles pay less tax.</p><p>So now that the problem is defined here are a few non-intrusive solutions that don't involve new technology:<br>1. One time tax at the time of purchase.  The average car lifespan is somewhere around 100,000 miles.  Compute what the expected tax should be and add it to the purchase price of the car.<br>2. Registration tax.  I pay one already and it is approx. $70 a year.  They check the odometer when I go for my new tags, charge for mileage then.<br>3. Tire tax:  Tires last on average about 50,000 miles.  Say you want a $0.01 per mile tax, then the per tire tax would be $0.0025 * 50,000.  If a big truck uses more than 4 tires they are having a larger impact on the roads, esp 18 wheelers.  Also if you drive hard then your tires wear out faster (as does the road) so you pay more tax.  If you drive more gently then you get more miles out of your car and pay less tax.  (Also "Big Rigs" leave tires on the highway which need to be cleaned up...)</p><p>Also a Tariff on imported oil would really help national security.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First let us define the problem : Electric vehicles do not use gasoline and therefore are not taxed to pay for road maintenance .
More fuel efficient vehicles pay less tax.So now that the problem is defined here are a few non-intrusive solutions that do n't involve new technology : 1 .
One time tax at the time of purchase .
The average car lifespan is somewhere around 100,000 miles .
Compute what the expected tax should be and add it to the purchase price of the car.2 .
Registration tax .
I pay one already and it is approx .
$ 70 a year .
They check the odometer when I go for my new tags , charge for mileage then.3 .
Tire tax : Tires last on average about 50,000 miles .
Say you want a $ 0.01 per mile tax , then the per tire tax would be $ 0.0025 * 50,000 .
If a big truck uses more than 4 tires they are having a larger impact on the roads , esp 18 wheelers .
Also if you drive hard then your tires wear out faster ( as does the road ) so you pay more tax .
If you drive more gently then you get more miles out of your car and pay less tax .
( Also " Big Rigs " leave tires on the highway which need to be cleaned up... ) Also a Tariff on imported oil would really help national security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First let us define the problem:Electric vehicles do not use gasoline and therefore are not taxed to pay for road maintenance.
More fuel efficient vehicles pay less tax.So now that the problem is defined here are a few non-intrusive solutions that don't involve new technology:1.
One time tax at the time of purchase.
The average car lifespan is somewhere around 100,000 miles.
Compute what the expected tax should be and add it to the purchase price of the car.2.
Registration tax.
I pay one already and it is approx.
$70 a year.
They check the odometer when I go for my new tags, charge for mileage then.3.
Tire tax:  Tires last on average about 50,000 miles.
Say you want a $0.01 per mile tax, then the per tire tax would be $0.0025 * 50,000.
If a big truck uses more than 4 tires they are having a larger impact on the roads, esp 18 wheelers.
Also if you drive hard then your tires wear out faster (as does the road) so you pay more tax.
If you drive more gently then you get more miles out of your car and pay less tax.
(Also "Big Rigs" leave tires on the highway which need to be cleaned up...)Also a Tariff on imported oil would really help national security.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544789</id>
	<title>Road usage tax</title>
	<author>cpm80</author>
	<datestamp>1246471200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The issue is how to fairly collect taxes to pay for maintenance of roads and highways.  How do we make those who use public roads and highways the most pay the most for their maintenance?  Using GPS data to determine this is a poor solution.

An good solution is to build the increased cost of road maintenance into a tax for new tires sold for on road use in the United States.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The issue is how to fairly collect taxes to pay for maintenance of roads and highways .
How do we make those who use public roads and highways the most pay the most for their maintenance ?
Using GPS data to determine this is a poor solution .
An good solution is to build the increased cost of road maintenance into a tax for new tires sold for on road use in the United States .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The issue is how to fairly collect taxes to pay for maintenance of roads and highways.
How do we make those who use public roads and highways the most pay the most for their maintenance?
Using GPS data to determine this is a poor solution.
An good solution is to build the increased cost of road maintenance into a tax for new tires sold for on road use in the United States.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543345</id>
	<title>Re:Tracking vs. billing</title>
	<author>Psyberian</author>
	<datestamp>1246467000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gas consumption wouldn't work as more and more cars are getting better and better gas mileage.  Let alone electric or alternative fuels which aren't taxed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gas consumption would n't work as more and more cars are getting better and better gas mileage .
Let alone electric or alternative fuels which are n't taxed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gas consumption wouldn't work as more and more cars are getting better and better gas mileage.
Let alone electric or alternative fuels which aren't taxed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544659</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246470720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.</p></div><p>just announced, to counter the loss in revenue due to increased bicycle and foot use the government will be installing gps tracking devices on pedestrians; you will receive a sidewalk tax bill at the end of each month.<br>for convenience the amount owed will be deducted automatically from your bank account. should your account have insufficient funds your biking/walking privelages will be revoked until the outstanding balance is rectified.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.just announced , to counter the loss in revenue due to increased bicycle and foot use the government will be installing gps tracking devices on pedestrians ; you will receive a sidewalk tax bill at the end of each month.for convenience the amount owed will be deducted automatically from your bank account .
should your account have insufficient funds your biking/walking privelages will be revoked until the outstanding balance is rectified .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.just announced, to counter the loss in revenue due to increased bicycle and foot use the government will be installing gps tracking devices on pedestrians; you will receive a sidewalk tax bill at the end of each month.for convenience the amount owed will be deducted automatically from your bank account.
should your account have insufficient funds your biking/walking privelages will be revoked until the outstanding balance is rectified.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544035</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>Kryptonian Jor-El</author>
	<datestamp>1246468980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its only more cost effective from a tax perspective. You'd be paying the same no matter what car you drive in terms of taxes, but you'd be buying 2x or more gas than the fuel efficient cars</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its only more cost effective from a tax perspective .
You 'd be paying the same no matter what car you drive in terms of taxes , but you 'd be buying 2x or more gas than the fuel efficient cars</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its only more cost effective from a tax perspective.
You'd be paying the same no matter what car you drive in terms of taxes, but you'd be buying 2x or more gas than the fuel efficient cars</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543157</id>
	<title>Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246466460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If we end up with GPS systems in every car by 2020, I'd be interested how quickly the systems are used to also track your speed   whenever they want to know.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we end up with GPS systems in every car by 2020 , I 'd be interested how quickly the systems are used to also track your speed whenever they want to know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we end up with GPS systems in every car by 2020, I'd be interested how quickly the systems are used to also track your speed   whenever they want to know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28568799</id>
	<title>Re:Just awful</title>
	<author>Viperpete</author>
	<datestamp>1246561860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would suggest it is a circumstance as depicted by Noam Chomsky:<br><br><a href="http://www.cdi.org/adm/Transcripts/923/" title="cdi.org" rel="nofollow">A CONVERSATION WITH NOAM CHOMSKY</a> [cdi.org]<br><br>"Mr. CHOMSKY: You're supposed to love the flag, but you're supposed to hate the government. You're supposed to love the symbols, you're supposed -- You have to be a jingoist, otherwise you're not going to accept things like Pentagon spending. So, it's a complicated operation, but, you know, not that complicated.<br><br>You're sitting in a PR office, you can figure it out. Get people to be patriotic, subordinate, silent, hate government, blame government for everything that goes wrong, think governments can do nothing right, not notice that more and more power is being turned over to private hands, which are completely unaccountable and are totally --<br><br>Mr. SHORR: And those private hands are?<br><br>Mr. CHOMSKY: Corporations, which is a totalitarian institution. People are unhappy. A lot of things are going wrong with their lives. Real income is going down, working hours are going up, families are falling apart, a lot of bad things. And you've been taught for 50 years that it's the government's fault, so you bomb a -- you don't bomb the GE headquarters, you don't read the Fortune 500 and find out who's got all the money, you don't notice that they've just celebrated their fourth straight year of double digit profit growth. That stuff is for special people.<br><br>What you're supposed to know is, 'yeah, those bad government guys, they're doing it.' And government is bad because it's potentially influenceable. You could take part in it an change it. So, hate them. And that creates the mood of anti-politics, and that's part of the -- you know, that's part of the propaganda. "</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would suggest it is a circumstance as depicted by Noam Chomsky : A CONVERSATION WITH NOAM CHOMSKY [ cdi.org ] " Mr. CHOMSKY : You 're supposed to love the flag , but you 're supposed to hate the government .
You 're supposed to love the symbols , you 're supposed -- You have to be a jingoist , otherwise you 're not going to accept things like Pentagon spending .
So , it 's a complicated operation , but , you know , not that complicated.You 're sitting in a PR office , you can figure it out .
Get people to be patriotic , subordinate , silent , hate government , blame government for everything that goes wrong , think governments can do nothing right , not notice that more and more power is being turned over to private hands , which are completely unaccountable and are totally --Mr. SHORR : And those private hands are ? Mr .
CHOMSKY : Corporations , which is a totalitarian institution .
People are unhappy .
A lot of things are going wrong with their lives .
Real income is going down , working hours are going up , families are falling apart , a lot of bad things .
And you 've been taught for 50 years that it 's the government 's fault , so you bomb a -- you do n't bomb the GE headquarters , you do n't read the Fortune 500 and find out who 's got all the money , you do n't notice that they 've just celebrated their fourth straight year of double digit profit growth .
That stuff is for special people.What you 're supposed to know is , 'yeah , those bad government guys , they 're doing it .
' And government is bad because it 's potentially influenceable .
You could take part in it an change it .
So , hate them .
And that creates the mood of anti-politics , and that 's part of the -- you know , that 's part of the propaganda .
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<sentencetext>I would suggest it is a circumstance as depicted by Noam Chomsky:A CONVERSATION WITH NOAM CHOMSKY [cdi.org]"Mr. CHOMSKY: You're supposed to love the flag, but you're supposed to hate the government.
You're supposed to love the symbols, you're supposed -- You have to be a jingoist, otherwise you're not going to accept things like Pentagon spending.
So, it's a complicated operation, but, you know, not that complicated.You're sitting in a PR office, you can figure it out.
Get people to be patriotic, subordinate, silent, hate government, blame government for everything that goes wrong, think governments can do nothing right, not notice that more and more power is being turned over to private hands, which are completely unaccountable and are totally --Mr. SHORR: And those private hands are?Mr.
CHOMSKY: Corporations, which is a totalitarian institution.
People are unhappy.
A lot of things are going wrong with their lives.
Real income is going down, working hours are going up, families are falling apart, a lot of bad things.
And you've been taught for 50 years that it's the government's fault, so you bomb a -- you don't bomb the GE headquarters, you don't read the Fortune 500 and find out who's got all the money, you don't notice that they've just celebrated their fourth straight year of double digit profit growth.
That stuff is for special people.What you're supposed to know is, 'yeah, those bad government guys, they're doing it.
' And government is bad because it's potentially influenceable.
You could take part in it an change it.
So, hate them.
And that creates the mood of anti-politics, and that's part of the -- you know, that's part of the propaganda.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543629</id>
	<title>Oh really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suppose they're going to make us pay for these specialized GPS receivers out of our own pockets? Require professional installation? What about my motorcycle, are they going to insist I fuck that up by putting their piece of crap on it too? Fuck this bullshit. Won't vote for it, and if they try to jam it down our throats, I won't co-operate with it either. For fuck's sake, just increase the damned gasoline tax instead you idiots! NOBODY is going to go for this except the damned politicians and the bastards who want a police state!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose they 're going to make us pay for these specialized GPS receivers out of our own pockets ?
Require professional installation ?
What about my motorcycle , are they going to insist I fuck that up by putting their piece of crap on it too ?
Fuck this bullshit .
Wo n't vote for it , and if they try to jam it down our throats , I wo n't co-operate with it either .
For fuck 's sake , just increase the damned gasoline tax instead you idiots !
NOBODY is going to go for this except the damned politicians and the bastards who want a police state !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose they're going to make us pay for these specialized GPS receivers out of our own pockets?
Require professional installation?
What about my motorcycle, are they going to insist I fuck that up by putting their piece of crap on it too?
Fuck this bullshit.
Won't vote for it, and if they try to jam it down our throats, I won't co-operate with it either.
For fuck's sake, just increase the damned gasoline tax instead you idiots!
NOBODY is going to go for this except the damned politicians and the bastards who want a police state!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545559</id>
	<title>Due process violations.</title>
	<author>plasmacutter</author>
	<datestamp>1246473420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You need a warrant if you're going to bug MY property.</p><p>Try this and you'll have privacy advocates from the left and anti-government advocates from the right forming powerful coalitions to block it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You need a warrant if you 're going to bug MY property.Try this and you 'll have privacy advocates from the left and anti-government advocates from the right forming powerful coalitions to block it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need a warrant if you're going to bug MY property.Try this and you'll have privacy advocates from the left and anti-government advocates from the right forming powerful coalitions to block it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</id>
	<title>Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545061</id>
	<title>Change...</title>
	<author>thebard</author>
	<datestamp>1246471980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Change you can believe in!</p><p>Oh... Wait....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Change you can believe in ! Oh... Wait... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Change you can believe in!Oh... Wait....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544675</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>Colonel Korn</author>
	<datestamp>1246470780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>See, the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax, which is 18.5 cents a gallon.</p><p>But, since we're going to mandate that all cars get 35 miles per gallon, and then we charge 1 to 2 cents (and it'll be two cents, if not four by the time it gets passed), then that means we've effectively upped the gas tax to between 35 and 70 cents a gallon (or $1.40 by four cents a mile). And the great part is that, just like income tax, they won't see the per gallon increase, they just get a bill at the end of the month that they have to pay.</p><p>Way to double, triple, or more the gas tax without looking like it.</p><p>Also, by the law of unintended consequences, by removing the tax from the gas, it makes it more cost effective to buy an older, cheaper gas guzzler, than a new, expensive, hybrid car. Thanks for destroying the environment, morons.</p></div><p>Destroying the environment AND shifting massive wealth to oil producing nations...</p><p>With a lower gas tax and the associated increase in gas guzzler mileage, oil consumption will go up while the government cut of it (that is, the proportion that gets spent to pay wages in this country to do things like repair roads) will instead go to the nations producing the oil.  On the other hand, if the gas tax were increased to $5/gallon, oil consumption would go down and the wealth currently going to oil producers would instead go to the US government.  This increased instance could, for instance, be used to reduce income taxes so that the net tax cost for US citizens remained constant but a larger proportion of consumer transportation spending would stay in the US.  This is what much of Europe does.</p></div>
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<tokenext>See , the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax , which is 18.5 cents a gallon.But , since we 're going to mandate that all cars get 35 miles per gallon , and then we charge 1 to 2 cents ( and it 'll be two cents , if not four by the time it gets passed ) , then that means we 've effectively upped the gas tax to between 35 and 70 cents a gallon ( or $ 1.40 by four cents a mile ) .
And the great part is that , just like income tax , they wo n't see the per gallon increase , they just get a bill at the end of the month that they have to pay.Way to double , triple , or more the gas tax without looking like it.Also , by the law of unintended consequences , by removing the tax from the gas , it makes it more cost effective to buy an older , cheaper gas guzzler , than a new , expensive , hybrid car .
Thanks for destroying the environment , morons.Destroying the environment AND shifting massive wealth to oil producing nations...With a lower gas tax and the associated increase in gas guzzler mileage , oil consumption will go up while the government cut of it ( that is , the proportion that gets spent to pay wages in this country to do things like repair roads ) will instead go to the nations producing the oil .
On the other hand , if the gas tax were increased to $ 5/gallon , oil consumption would go down and the wealth currently going to oil producers would instead go to the US government .
This increased instance could , for instance , be used to reduce income taxes so that the net tax cost for US citizens remained constant but a larger proportion of consumer transportation spending would stay in the US .
This is what much of Europe does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax, which is 18.5 cents a gallon.But, since we're going to mandate that all cars get 35 miles per gallon, and then we charge 1 to 2 cents (and it'll be two cents, if not four by the time it gets passed), then that means we've effectively upped the gas tax to between 35 and 70 cents a gallon (or $1.40 by four cents a mile).
And the great part is that, just like income tax, they won't see the per gallon increase, they just get a bill at the end of the month that they have to pay.Way to double, triple, or more the gas tax without looking like it.Also, by the law of unintended consequences, by removing the tax from the gas, it makes it more cost effective to buy an older, cheaper gas guzzler, than a new, expensive, hybrid car.
Thanks for destroying the environment, morons.Destroying the environment AND shifting massive wealth to oil producing nations...With a lower gas tax and the associated increase in gas guzzler mileage, oil consumption will go up while the government cut of it (that is, the proportion that gets spent to pay wages in this country to do things like repair roads) will instead go to the nations producing the oil.
On the other hand, if the gas tax were increased to $5/gallon, oil consumption would go down and the wealth currently going to oil producers would instead go to the US government.
This increased instance could, for instance, be used to reduce income taxes so that the net tax cost for US citizens remained constant but a larger proportion of consumer transportation spending would stay in the US.
This is what much of Europe does.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546087</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1246474980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.</p></div></blockquote><p>Oh, thank you for reminding us that we need to make a bicycle version!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.Oh , thank you for reminding us that we need to make a bicycle version !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.Oh, thank you for reminding us that we need to make a bicycle version!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28552285</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Stormy Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1246454940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh, I'm sure they'll make a low power unit powered by the wheel spinning for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , I 'm sure they 'll make a low power unit powered by the wheel spinning for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I'm sure they'll make a low power unit powered by the wheel spinning for them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544961</id>
	<title>Why do we need a GPS to do this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do we need a device to do this?<br>Everytime you get your car inspected, they record the mileage.<br>Mileage from current year - mileage from previous year = tax.<br>It is either that or my home made faraday cage around the GPS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do we need a device to do this ? Everytime you get your car inspected , they record the mileage.Mileage from current year - mileage from previous year = tax.It is either that or my home made faraday cage around the GPS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do we need a device to do this?Everytime you get your car inspected, they record the mileage.Mileage from current year - mileage from previous year = tax.It is either that or my home made faraday cage around the GPS.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545541</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246473360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You haven't read the "Human Powered Vehicle" provisions in the bill, have you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have n't read the " Human Powered Vehicle " provisions in the bill , have you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You haven't read the "Human Powered Vehicle" provisions in the bill, have you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544437</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>langelgjm</author>
	<datestamp>1246470120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, I'd love it if they did it during "emmissions checking." I live in Indiana, where we don't such a "big brother" concept.</p></div><p>Does Indiana also not require car registrations? 'Cause that has about the same "big brother" effect as emissions testing.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Oh , I 'd love it if they did it during " emmissions checking .
" I live in Indiana , where we do n't such a " big brother " concept.Does Indiana also not require car registrations ?
'Cause that has about the same " big brother " effect as emissions testing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, I'd love it if they did it during "emmissions checking.
" I live in Indiana, where we don't such a "big brother" concept.Does Indiana also not require car registrations?
'Cause that has about the same "big brother" effect as emissions testing.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547297</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246478820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, you're really going to be sucessful getting me to ride a bike to visit Mike in St Louis, 100 miles away. You're going to have a hard time convincing me to ride a bike to work in the snow, or below freezing weather, or rain, or summer days when the temperature is a hundred degrees F.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , you 're really going to be sucessful getting me to ride a bike to visit Mike in St Louis , 100 miles away .
You 're going to have a hard time convincing me to ride a bike to work in the snow , or below freezing weather , or rain , or summer days when the temperature is a hundred degrees F .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, you're really going to be sucessful getting me to ride a bike to visit Mike in St Louis, 100 miles away.
You're going to have a hard time convincing me to ride a bike to work in the snow, or below freezing weather, or rain, or summer days when the temperature is a hundred degrees F.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545323</id>
	<title>Re:Seriously Bad Idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246472700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You say that like there are not GPS jammers for your dark ops rental cars, as posted repeatedly in these comments.<br>You also say that like official cars won't have the GPS trackers removed for "security" reasons. In California, state cars already get to drive through toll gates without paying. I'm pretty sure that government cars would eliminate the hassle of needing the government to bill itself for gas taxes. The fact that the super covert GPS-free cars would be used for every family vacation and personal trip would be entirely coincidental.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You say that like there are not GPS jammers for your dark ops rental cars , as posted repeatedly in these comments.You also say that like official cars wo n't have the GPS trackers removed for " security " reasons .
In California , state cars already get to drive through toll gates without paying .
I 'm pretty sure that government cars would eliminate the hassle of needing the government to bill itself for gas taxes .
The fact that the super covert GPS-free cars would be used for every family vacation and personal trip would be entirely coincidental .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You say that like there are not GPS jammers for your dark ops rental cars, as posted repeatedly in these comments.You also say that like official cars won't have the GPS trackers removed for "security" reasons.
In California, state cars already get to drive through toll gates without paying.
I'm pretty sure that government cars would eliminate the hassle of needing the government to bill itself for gas taxes.
The fact that the super covert GPS-free cars would be used for every family vacation and personal trip would be entirely coincidental.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544525</id>
	<title>GPS isn't all that tough to jam...</title>
	<author>BattyMan</author>
	<datestamp>1246470360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>And I could build a portable gyzmo to do just that.<br>Of course it'd be illegal in many states (as radar detectors already are), but there must be some way around <i>that</i>.</p><p>It'd fsck yer [GPS] navigation, but who needs navigation if it's gonna be taxed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I could build a portable gyzmo to do just that.Of course it 'd be illegal in many states ( as radar detectors already are ) , but there must be some way around that.It 'd fsck yer [ GPS ] navigation , but who needs navigation if it 's gon na be taxed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I could build a portable gyzmo to do just that.Of course it'd be illegal in many states (as radar detectors already are), but there must be some way around that.It'd fsck yer [GPS] navigation, but who needs navigation if it's gonna be taxed?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544121</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246469220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>"...by the law of unintended consequences..."</p><p>Unintended? Heck no! They don't WANT you to think about the consumption of what you drive every time you fuel up.<br>Just like they hide the true cost of imported petroleum at the pump, but having the cost of CentCom military operations to protect oil supplies paid for by INCOME taxes, rather than consumption taxes on the commidity in question.</p><p>Even though an F150 does more damage to public roads than, say, a Toyota Yaris, they'd charge them the same fee per mile. Stellar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...by the law of unintended consequences... " Unintended ?
Heck no !
They do n't WANT you to think about the consumption of what you drive every time you fuel up.Just like they hide the true cost of imported petroleum at the pump , but having the cost of CentCom military operations to protect oil supplies paid for by INCOME taxes , rather than consumption taxes on the commidity in question.Even though an F150 does more damage to public roads than , say , a Toyota Yaris , they 'd charge them the same fee per mile .
Stellar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...by the law of unintended consequences..."Unintended?
Heck no!
They don't WANT you to think about the consumption of what you drive every time you fuel up.Just like they hide the true cost of imported petroleum at the pump, but having the cost of CentCom military operations to protect oil supplies paid for by INCOME taxes, rather than consumption taxes on the commidity in question.Even though an F150 does more damage to public roads than, say, a Toyota Yaris, they'd charge them the same fee per mile.
Stellar.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547399</id>
	<title>They'll need some major improvements in GPS first</title>
	<author>jc42</author>
	<datestamp>1246479180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>We've had a portable GPS gadget (from Garmin) that we use in our cars for about 6 years now, and we now have a couple of cell phones (an iPhone and an Android G1) now with GPS, so we've gotten some idea how well the known problems with GPS have been debugged in recent years.  The answer is that GPS just isn't ready for prime time.</p><p>One of my favorite anecdotes about the older one (which is actually still the best) was when I was driving south on a street a couple of towns away, and noticed that the GPS map showed me about a block north of where I actually was, and headed north.  I pressed the button that switches to the number display, and sure enough, it said I was headed north at something like 50 mph, well over the speed limit.  I switched back to the map, and after a few seconds, the "you are here" icon was at my current position, aimed south.  I switched back to the numbers, and it said I was headed south - at over 250 mph!.</p><p>One thing that obviously bogus speed implies is that it thought I had reversed direction and travelled over the 2 blocks or so at high speed.  So I switched to the "trip" display, and sure enough, it showed that I'd travelled nearly a mile so far on this trip, although I was only about half a mile south of my starting point.  It had added up the backtracking as I switched direction twice, and included the extra 3 blocks or so in the trip, with the 3rd time over that block at high speed.</p><p>I've mentioned this before, in online discussions of proposals to use GPS trip records as court evidence.  I've also looked at the trip records in a few friends' GPS gadgets, and all of them have shown similar wild driving.  When you consider it as court evidence, it seems pretty clear that this sort of thing would simply disqualify the GPS records as valid evidence, since it would be obvious to anyone (even a judge) that the car simply can't perform the maneuvers that the GPS claims it did.</p><p>When it comes to mere mileage reports, however, I'd guess that it could be a lot harder to get the records thrown out.  We're talking about bean counters here, not courts of law, and their approach would be to politely listen to you, then put the GPS data into their database as-is.</p><p>But it's possible that appeals could lead to rejection of the GPS data.  Thus, a few days ago while driving somewhere nearby, my wife and I found that our GPS phones both reported our positions as around 100 miles away from where we were.  The G1, for example, said that we were driving about 20 miles east of Cape Cod.  After a while, it showed us at close to our correct position.  Presumably that little (and wet) detour was done at around Mach 4 or 5, since that's the speed we'd need to travel from our position to the outer Cape in the second or so that the GPS said we did it in.  And, as with the older GPS, our trip records did show that we made that detour, adding 200 miles or so to the trip of maybe 3 miles.</p><p>The iPhone showed a similar detail, but it had us driving on land on a road in the western part of the state, which was a place that the car actually could have been (except for taking only a second or two to get there).</p><p>Anyway, I sorta have the feeling that when the GPS trip record shows a car as driving along out in the ocean, that just might be the evidence that will get all its data dismissed as bogus.</p><p>GPS is useful for some things.  It's a long way from being useful for official records of where the GPS gadget has actually been.  And the behavior of commercial GPS gadgets hasn't improved in this regard over the last 5 or 6 years.  They still show wild, instantaneous changes of position and physically impossible speeds for part of some trips.  If there are exceptions, nobody I know has one.  This is easy to show by just mentioning some of the funny data in ours, and listening while others regale listeners with their similar stories.  As a gadget that's good at what it does, these occasional flukes are just funny.  As the source of official data that we'll be charged for (in court or invoi</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've had a portable GPS gadget ( from Garmin ) that we use in our cars for about 6 years now , and we now have a couple of cell phones ( an iPhone and an Android G1 ) now with GPS , so we 've gotten some idea how well the known problems with GPS have been debugged in recent years .
The answer is that GPS just is n't ready for prime time.One of my favorite anecdotes about the older one ( which is actually still the best ) was when I was driving south on a street a couple of towns away , and noticed that the GPS map showed me about a block north of where I actually was , and headed north .
I pressed the button that switches to the number display , and sure enough , it said I was headed north at something like 50 mph , well over the speed limit .
I switched back to the map , and after a few seconds , the " you are here " icon was at my current position , aimed south .
I switched back to the numbers , and it said I was headed south - at over 250 mph ! .One thing that obviously bogus speed implies is that it thought I had reversed direction and travelled over the 2 blocks or so at high speed .
So I switched to the " trip " display , and sure enough , it showed that I 'd travelled nearly a mile so far on this trip , although I was only about half a mile south of my starting point .
It had added up the backtracking as I switched direction twice , and included the extra 3 blocks or so in the trip , with the 3rd time over that block at high speed.I 've mentioned this before , in online discussions of proposals to use GPS trip records as court evidence .
I 've also looked at the trip records in a few friends ' GPS gadgets , and all of them have shown similar wild driving .
When you consider it as court evidence , it seems pretty clear that this sort of thing would simply disqualify the GPS records as valid evidence , since it would be obvious to anyone ( even a judge ) that the car simply ca n't perform the maneuvers that the GPS claims it did.When it comes to mere mileage reports , however , I 'd guess that it could be a lot harder to get the records thrown out .
We 're talking about bean counters here , not courts of law , and their approach would be to politely listen to you , then put the GPS data into their database as-is.But it 's possible that appeals could lead to rejection of the GPS data .
Thus , a few days ago while driving somewhere nearby , my wife and I found that our GPS phones both reported our positions as around 100 miles away from where we were .
The G1 , for example , said that we were driving about 20 miles east of Cape Cod .
After a while , it showed us at close to our correct position .
Presumably that little ( and wet ) detour was done at around Mach 4 or 5 , since that 's the speed we 'd need to travel from our position to the outer Cape in the second or so that the GPS said we did it in .
And , as with the older GPS , our trip records did show that we made that detour , adding 200 miles or so to the trip of maybe 3 miles.The iPhone showed a similar detail , but it had us driving on land on a road in the western part of the state , which was a place that the car actually could have been ( except for taking only a second or two to get there ) .Anyway , I sorta have the feeling that when the GPS trip record shows a car as driving along out in the ocean , that just might be the evidence that will get all its data dismissed as bogus.GPS is useful for some things .
It 's a long way from being useful for official records of where the GPS gadget has actually been .
And the behavior of commercial GPS gadgets has n't improved in this regard over the last 5 or 6 years .
They still show wild , instantaneous changes of position and physically impossible speeds for part of some trips .
If there are exceptions , nobody I know has one .
This is easy to show by just mentioning some of the funny data in ours , and listening while others regale listeners with their similar stories .
As a gadget that 's good at what it does , these occasional flukes are just funny .
As the source of official data that we 'll be charged for ( in court or invoi</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've had a portable GPS gadget (from Garmin) that we use in our cars for about 6 years now, and we now have a couple of cell phones (an iPhone and an Android G1) now with GPS, so we've gotten some idea how well the known problems with GPS have been debugged in recent years.
The answer is that GPS just isn't ready for prime time.One of my favorite anecdotes about the older one (which is actually still the best) was when I was driving south on a street a couple of towns away, and noticed that the GPS map showed me about a block north of where I actually was, and headed north.
I pressed the button that switches to the number display, and sure enough, it said I was headed north at something like 50 mph, well over the speed limit.
I switched back to the map, and after a few seconds, the "you are here" icon was at my current position, aimed south.
I switched back to the numbers, and it said I was headed south - at over 250 mph!.One thing that obviously bogus speed implies is that it thought I had reversed direction and travelled over the 2 blocks or so at high speed.
So I switched to the "trip" display, and sure enough, it showed that I'd travelled nearly a mile so far on this trip, although I was only about half a mile south of my starting point.
It had added up the backtracking as I switched direction twice, and included the extra 3 blocks or so in the trip, with the 3rd time over that block at high speed.I've mentioned this before, in online discussions of proposals to use GPS trip records as court evidence.
I've also looked at the trip records in a few friends' GPS gadgets, and all of them have shown similar wild driving.
When you consider it as court evidence, it seems pretty clear that this sort of thing would simply disqualify the GPS records as valid evidence, since it would be obvious to anyone (even a judge) that the car simply can't perform the maneuvers that the GPS claims it did.When it comes to mere mileage reports, however, I'd guess that it could be a lot harder to get the records thrown out.
We're talking about bean counters here, not courts of law, and their approach would be to politely listen to you, then put the GPS data into their database as-is.But it's possible that appeals could lead to rejection of the GPS data.
Thus, a few days ago while driving somewhere nearby, my wife and I found that our GPS phones both reported our positions as around 100 miles away from where we were.
The G1, for example, said that we were driving about 20 miles east of Cape Cod.
After a while, it showed us at close to our correct position.
Presumably that little (and wet) detour was done at around Mach 4 or 5, since that's the speed we'd need to travel from our position to the outer Cape in the second or so that the GPS said we did it in.
And, as with the older GPS, our trip records did show that we made that detour, adding 200 miles or so to the trip of maybe 3 miles.The iPhone showed a similar detail, but it had us driving on land on a road in the western part of the state, which was a place that the car actually could have been (except for taking only a second or two to get there).Anyway, I sorta have the feeling that when the GPS trip record shows a car as driving along out in the ocean, that just might be the evidence that will get all its data dismissed as bogus.GPS is useful for some things.
It's a long way from being useful for official records of where the GPS gadget has actually been.
And the behavior of commercial GPS gadgets hasn't improved in this regard over the last 5 or 6 years.
They still show wild, instantaneous changes of position and physically impossible speeds for part of some trips.
If there are exceptions, nobody I know has one.
This is easy to show by just mentioning some of the funny data in ours, and listening while others regale listeners with their similar stories.
As a gadget that's good at what it does, these occasional flukes are just funny.
As the source of official data that we'll be charged for (in court or invoi</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28547517</id>
	<title>WTF is wrong with everybody????</title>
	<author>Kr1ll1n</author>
	<datestamp>1246479660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>75\% of the comments are saying "there are better ways to get the money......" tax me like this, or tax me like that! Does nobody even wonder why all of a sudden, states get a multi-billion dollar stimulus JUST FOR public works, and now they want to bump taxes on one of the key selling points of the stimulus? this is called payback, and when the federal government is the lender, payback is is an ass-raping bitch!</htmltext>
<tokenext>75 \ % of the comments are saying " there are better ways to get the money...... " tax me like this , or tax me like that !
Does nobody even wonder why all of a sudden , states get a multi-billion dollar stimulus JUST FOR public works , and now they want to bump taxes on one of the key selling points of the stimulus ?
this is called payback , and when the federal government is the lender , payback is is an ass-raping bitch !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>75\% of the comments are saying "there are better ways to get the money......" tax me like this, or tax me like that!
Does nobody even wonder why all of a sudden, states get a multi-billion dollar stimulus JUST FOR public works, and now they want to bump taxes on one of the key selling points of the stimulus?
this is called payback, and when the federal government is the lender, payback is is an ass-raping bitch!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543163</id>
	<title>faraday cage anyone?</title>
	<author>rotide</author>
	<datestamp>1246466520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just find where the receiver/transceiver is and pop on a Faraday Cage.<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday\_cage" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday\_cage</a> [wikipedia.org] </p><p>
Or, since the antenna would need to be somewhat exposed, just make a "sleeve" that blocks RF?</p><p>
Just as a show of good faith, leave it off for trips to work and pop it on during long trips?  Or just leave it on and claim you're a hermit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just find where the receiver/transceiver is and pop on a Faraday Cage .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday \ _cage [ wikipedia.org ] Or , since the antenna would need to be somewhat exposed , just make a " sleeve " that blocks RF ?
Just as a show of good faith , leave it off for trips to work and pop it on during long trips ?
Or just leave it on and claim you 're a hermit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just find where the receiver/transceiver is and pop on a Faraday Cage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday\_cage [wikipedia.org] 
Or, since the antenna would need to be somewhat exposed, just make a "sleeve" that blocks RF?
Just as a show of good faith, leave it off for trips to work and pop it on during long trips?
Or just leave it on and claim you're a hermit?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545533</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246473300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also, by the law of unintended consequences, by removing the tax from the gas, it makes it more cost effective to buy an older, cheaper gas guzzler, than a new, expensive, hybrid car. Thanks for destroying the environment, morons.</p></div><p>Well, here's a simple solution for you: Tax by the mile AND by the gallon! Clearly this will benefit the people most.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , by the law of unintended consequences , by removing the tax from the gas , it makes it more cost effective to buy an older , cheaper gas guzzler , than a new , expensive , hybrid car .
Thanks for destroying the environment , morons.Well , here 's a simple solution for you : Tax by the mile AND by the gallon !
Clearly this will benefit the people most .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, by the law of unintended consequences, by removing the tax from the gas, it makes it more cost effective to buy an older, cheaper gas guzzler, than a new, expensive, hybrid car.
Thanks for destroying the environment, morons.Well, here's a simple solution for you: Tax by the mile AND by the gallon!
Clearly this will benefit the people most.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543333</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544921</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1246471620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car.</i></p><p>Huh?  What the hell are you talking about?  Where do you live?  I don't have any "EZ-pass", whatever that is, and I don't know anyone who does.  Is that one of those toll booth payment things?  If so, you seem to be unaware that most of the USA does not have toll roads!</p><p>It's bad enough when people from California talk like everyone lives in California, but it's even worse when someone from the Rust Belt talks like everyone lives in Pennsylvania or New Jersey, even though people have been fleeing that part of the country for decades.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car.Huh ?
What the hell are you talking about ?
Where do you live ?
I do n't have any " EZ-pass " , whatever that is , and I do n't know anyone who does .
Is that one of those toll booth payment things ?
If so , you seem to be unaware that most of the USA does not have toll roads ! It 's bad enough when people from California talk like everyone lives in California , but it 's even worse when someone from the Rust Belt talks like everyone lives in Pennsylvania or New Jersey , even though people have been fleeing that part of the country for decades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car.Huh?
What the hell are you talking about?
Where do you live?
I don't have any "EZ-pass", whatever that is, and I don't know anyone who does.
Is that one of those toll booth payment things?
If so, you seem to be unaware that most of the USA does not have toll roads!It's bad enough when people from California talk like everyone lives in California, but it's even worse when someone from the Rust Belt talks like everyone lives in Pennsylvania or New Jersey, even though people have been fleeing that part of the country for decades.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543463</id>
	<title>Re:old/weird cars?</title>
	<author>operagost</author>
	<datestamp>1246467360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <tt>So I guess they will have exemptions for older cars, cars that have value in original condition and adding/changing something will reduce value, etc.</tt></p></div> </blockquote><p>Not likely.  These are the same fascists who are pushing through a bill that would require you to make your old home "green" before you could sell it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So I guess they will have exemptions for older cars , cars that have value in original condition and adding/changing something will reduce value , etc .
Not likely .
These are the same fascists who are pushing through a bill that would require you to make your old home " green " before you could sell it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> So I guess they will have exemptions for older cars, cars that have value in original condition and adding/changing something will reduce value, etc.
Not likely.
These are the same fascists who are pushing through a bill that would require you to make your old home "green" before you could sell it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543187</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545235</id>
	<title>Re:toll?</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1246472460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What ever happened to good ol toll roads? If you use the hwy it gets taken care of, if you dont, then by by.</p></div></blockquote><p>Tolls are very inefficient.<br> <br>(1) increased congestion is wasted resources (fuel, time, etc).<br>(2) Toll roads disproportionately tax those who use toll roads instead of alternative routes.  You're taxing people who use *certain* roads, rather than taxing usage of roads in general.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What ever happened to good ol toll roads ?
If you use the hwy it gets taken care of , if you dont , then by by.Tolls are very inefficient .
( 1 ) increased congestion is wasted resources ( fuel , time , etc ) .
( 2 ) Toll roads disproportionately tax those who use toll roads instead of alternative routes .
You 're taxing people who use * certain * roads , rather than taxing usage of roads in general .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What ever happened to good ol toll roads?
If you use the hwy it gets taken care of, if you dont, then by by.Tolls are very inefficient.
(1) increased congestion is wasted resources (fuel, time, etc).
(2) Toll roads disproportionately tax those who use toll roads instead of alternative routes.
You're taxing people who use *certain* roads, rather than taxing usage of roads in general.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543219</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28548491</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1246439280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That gets me thinking... If I put an electronic motor on that bicycle, do I have to have a GPS on it too?  What about other devices that use gasoline, like boats?  Do they need GPS?  How about planes?  Or R/C devices like cars, boats, and subs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That gets me thinking... If I put an electronic motor on that bicycle , do I have to have a GPS on it too ?
What about other devices that use gasoline , like boats ?
Do they need GPS ?
How about planes ?
Or R/C devices like cars , boats , and subs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That gets me thinking... If I put an electronic motor on that bicycle, do I have to have a GPS on it too?
What about other devices that use gasoline, like boats?
Do they need GPS?
How about planes?
Or R/C devices like cars, boats, and subs?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544109</id>
	<title>Re:Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246469160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some of us who bought diesel cars that get upwards of 50mpg wouldn't be affected with a $2/gallon tax.</p><p>When you fill up every 600+ miles, who cares?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of us who bought diesel cars that get upwards of 50mpg would n't be affected with a $ 2/gallon tax.When you fill up every 600 + miles , who cares ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of us who bought diesel cars that get upwards of 50mpg wouldn't be affected with a $2/gallon tax.When you fill up every 600+ miles, who cares?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543333</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543285</id>
	<title>At first I cringed.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246466880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I saw 1 cent per mile I cringed but then like the reasonable person I am I pulled out my trusty calculator.

I own a 2007 Civic Sedan.  Let's low ball and say 30ish miles to the gallon when I combine my city/highway driving.  For ease of conversion I pay 30/18.5 = 1.62 cents per mile right now.  Someone double check my math since I am notoriously bad at arithmetic.

So 1 cent/mile would save me a decent amount of money, while 2 cents would raise my current cost.  Of course who knows what the value of a penny will be and the current gas tax in 2020.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I saw 1 cent per mile I cringed but then like the reasonable person I am I pulled out my trusty calculator .
I own a 2007 Civic Sedan .
Let 's low ball and say 30ish miles to the gallon when I combine my city/highway driving .
For ease of conversion I pay 30/18.5 = 1.62 cents per mile right now .
Someone double check my math since I am notoriously bad at arithmetic .
So 1 cent/mile would save me a decent amount of money , while 2 cents would raise my current cost .
Of course who knows what the value of a penny will be and the current gas tax in 2020 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I saw 1 cent per mile I cringed but then like the reasonable person I am I pulled out my trusty calculator.
I own a 2007 Civic Sedan.
Let's low ball and say 30ish miles to the gallon when I combine my city/highway driving.
For ease of conversion I pay 30/18.5 = 1.62 cents per mile right now.
Someone double check my math since I am notoriously bad at arithmetic.
So 1 cent/mile would save me a decent amount of money, while 2 cents would raise my current cost.
Of course who knows what the value of a penny will be and the current gas tax in 2020.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28553273</id>
	<title>Per gallon tax works</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246462620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The current, per gallon tax is working.<br>Heavier vehicles use more fuel and put more wear and tear on the roads.<br>Driving further means higher fuel use.</p><p>If you are a poor family driving a 20 yr old suburban, you are taxed higher than a multi-millionaire driving a tesla or Insight.  But your car is actually causing more damage and isn't that what we want to discourage?</p><p>Technology isn't always a good answer. KISS is usually the better solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The current , per gallon tax is working.Heavier vehicles use more fuel and put more wear and tear on the roads.Driving further means higher fuel use.If you are a poor family driving a 20 yr old suburban , you are taxed higher than a multi-millionaire driving a tesla or Insight .
But your car is actually causing more damage and is n't that what we want to discourage ? Technology is n't always a good answer .
KISS is usually the better solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The current, per gallon tax is working.Heavier vehicles use more fuel and put more wear and tear on the roads.Driving further means higher fuel use.If you are a poor family driving a 20 yr old suburban, you are taxed higher than a multi-millionaire driving a tesla or Insight.
But your car is actually causing more damage and isn't that what we want to discourage?Technology isn't always a good answer.
KISS is usually the better solution.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546629</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246476540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They could just check the odometer during emissions checking.</p></div><p>Not everyone lives in a state with emissions testing, you know.</p><p>For instance, my state's politicians continue to argue that requiring emissions testing is a tax on the poor.  So, not every state has a mechanism in place or even a opportunity for recording mileage.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They could just check the odometer during emissions checking.Not everyone lives in a state with emissions testing , you know.For instance , my state 's politicians continue to argue that requiring emissions testing is a tax on the poor .
So , not every state has a mechanism in place or even a opportunity for recording mileage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could just check the odometer during emissions checking.Not everyone lives in a state with emissions testing, you know.For instance, my state's politicians continue to argue that requiring emissions testing is a tax on the poor.
So, not every state has a mechanism in place or even a opportunity for recording mileage.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544923</id>
	<title>There's already a nice solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It taxes by the mile but penalizes cars with poor mileage more. It doesn't have any privacy concerns. It's easy to implement. It's called the gas tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It taxes by the mile but penalizes cars with poor mileage more .
It does n't have any privacy concerns .
It 's easy to implement .
It 's called the gas tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It taxes by the mile but penalizes cars with poor mileage more.
It doesn't have any privacy concerns.
It's easy to implement.
It's called the gas tax.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28548459</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>Carnildo</author>
	<datestamp>1246439220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car.</p></div></blockquote><p>Really?  Where do you live?  I think there's a toll bridge across the Columbia at Portland, 400 road miles from me.  If not, I know there are some in San Francisco (1000 road miles) and there's a toll road in the Chicago area (1800 miles).  Somehow, I doubt anybody around here has one of those things.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car.Really ?
Where do you live ?
I think there 's a toll bridge across the Columbia at Portland , 400 road miles from me .
If not , I know there are some in San Francisco ( 1000 road miles ) and there 's a toll road in the Chicago area ( 1800 miles ) .
Somehow , I doubt anybody around here has one of those things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car.Really?
Where do you live?
I think there's a toll bridge across the Columbia at Portland, 400 road miles from me.
If not, I know there are some in San Francisco (1000 road miles) and there's a toll road in the Chicago area (1800 miles).
Somehow, I doubt anybody around here has one of those things.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543529</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>guruevi</author>
	<datestamp>1246467600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They already do in many states so they could easily use this to track taxes. On cars built after 1992 they check your odometer against rollbacks. If the odometer has been rolled back, it is reported on your title. They just want to be able to track you in more detail, see when and where you are speeding (automatic speeding tickets), see where you were the night of the murder, which protests you attended, what church you belong to etc. etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They already do in many states so they could easily use this to track taxes .
On cars built after 1992 they check your odometer against rollbacks .
If the odometer has been rolled back , it is reported on your title .
They just want to be able to track you in more detail , see when and where you are speeding ( automatic speeding tickets ) , see where you were the night of the murder , which protests you attended , what church you belong to etc .
etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They already do in many states so they could easily use this to track taxes.
On cars built after 1992 they check your odometer against rollbacks.
If the odometer has been rolled back, it is reported on your title.
They just want to be able to track you in more detail, see when and where you are speeding (automatic speeding tickets), see where you were the night of the murder, which protests you attended, what church you belong to etc.
etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544749</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1246471080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless you are planning on making a bridge from my home to work out of discarded GPS units, I don't see how this helps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you are planning on making a bridge from my home to work out of discarded GPS units , I do n't see how this helps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you are planning on making a bridge from my home to work out of discarded GPS units, I don't see how this helps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28550085</id>
	<title>Take that Tesla Motors</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1246444140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And your zero petrol car!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And your zero petrol car !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And your zero petrol car!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543695</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>RendonWI</author>
	<datestamp>1246467960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not every state does emissions checking, like Wisconsin for example.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not every state does emissions checking , like Wisconsin for example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not every state does emissions checking, like Wisconsin for example.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543275</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>CosmeticLobotamy</author>
	<datestamp>1246466880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car.  We also have license plate reading cameras.  Ticketing virtually all speeders, at least on highways, is possible now.  They will never, ever do this because if you ticket all speeders, no one will speed.  They will lose millions of dollars in fines, on top of creating massive anger and traffic clogs that would result in the speed limit being raised to the speed people actually go anyway.</p><p>So it's much too good an idea and will never be done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car .
We also have license plate reading cameras .
Ticketing virtually all speeders , at least on highways , is possible now .
They will never , ever do this because if you ticket all speeders , no one will speed .
They will lose millions of dollars in fines , on top of creating massive anger and traffic clogs that would result in the speed limit being raised to the speed people actually go anyway.So it 's much too good an idea and will never be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people have an EZ-pass equivalent in their car.
We also have license plate reading cameras.
Ticketing virtually all speeders, at least on highways, is possible now.
They will never, ever do this because if you ticket all speeders, no one will speed.
They will lose millions of dollars in fines, on top of creating massive anger and traffic clogs that would result in the speed limit being raised to the speed people actually go anyway.So it's much too good an idea and will never be done.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28555181</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246527960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bikes are great but won't do over 25 mph or get me to work on time. I don't get it I pay $120 per year for plates $520.00 per year for insurance and $50 every four years for just the right to drive my car down the road, so what more do you want. I love bicycles but if you live 25 miles from town they are not logical. I sincerely think we need things that use less or no fuel, but if Americans (like me) don't want to drive a smart car then I'm not going to cry about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bikes are great but wo n't do over 25 mph or get me to work on time .
I do n't get it I pay $ 120 per year for plates $ 520.00 per year for insurance and $ 50 every four years for just the right to drive my car down the road , so what more do you want .
I love bicycles but if you live 25 miles from town they are not logical .
I sincerely think we need things that use less or no fuel , but if Americans ( like me ) do n't want to drive a smart car then I 'm not going to cry about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bikes are great but won't do over 25 mph or get me to work on time.
I don't get it I pay $120 per year for plates $520.00 per year for insurance and $50 every four years for just the right to drive my car down the road, so what more do you want.
I love bicycles but if you live 25 miles from town they are not logical.
I sincerely think we need things that use less or no fuel, but if Americans (like me) don't want to drive a smart car then I'm not going to cry about it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543251</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1246466820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't need to do that - you just install a nationwide series of cameras doing "average speed checks" as in the UK.</p><p>Then again, if you don't agree with speed limits, get them changed - don't just break them and hope you don't get caught.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't need to do that - you just install a nationwide series of cameras doing " average speed checks " as in the UK.Then again , if you do n't agree with speed limits , get them changed - do n't just break them and hope you do n't get caught .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't need to do that - you just install a nationwide series of cameras doing "average speed checks" as in the UK.Then again, if you don't agree with speed limits, get them changed - don't just break them and hope you don't get caught.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28548049</id>
	<title>Backwards!</title>
	<author>BruceSchaller</author>
	<datestamp>1246481100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Highly regessive tax structure!  Taxing by the mile hurts car drivers who get better miles per gallon!

Keep increasing the gas tax!  That's fine!  As the gas tax increases it hurts the trucking industry, but can be used to help create considerably greener railroad shipping options for the long haul.  Roads will last longer since they are really only damaged by large trucks.

"One legal 80,000 pound GVW tractor-trailer truck does as much damage to road pavement as 9,600 cars. (Highway Research Board, NAS, 1962). Overweight trucks chronically underpay their fair share of taxes and user fees for the repair of U.S. roads and bridges. By damaging roads, large trucks further degrade highway safety. (U.S. DOT, 1997)."
<a href="http://www.saferoads.org/dangers-large-trucks" title="saferoads.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.saferoads.org/dangers-large-trucks</a> [saferoads.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Highly regessive tax structure !
Taxing by the mile hurts car drivers who get better miles per gallon !
Keep increasing the gas tax !
That 's fine !
As the gas tax increases it hurts the trucking industry , but can be used to help create considerably greener railroad shipping options for the long haul .
Roads will last longer since they are really only damaged by large trucks .
" One legal 80,000 pound GVW tractor-trailer truck does as much damage to road pavement as 9,600 cars .
( Highway Research Board , NAS , 1962 ) .
Overweight trucks chronically underpay their fair share of taxes and user fees for the repair of U.S. roads and bridges .
By damaging roads , large trucks further degrade highway safety .
( U.S. DOT , 1997 ) .
" http : //www.saferoads.org/dangers-large-trucks [ saferoads.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Highly regessive tax structure!
Taxing by the mile hurts car drivers who get better miles per gallon!
Keep increasing the gas tax!
That's fine!
As the gas tax increases it hurts the trucking industry, but can be used to help create considerably greener railroad shipping options for the long haul.
Roads will last longer since they are really only damaged by large trucks.
"One legal 80,000 pound GVW tractor-trailer truck does as much damage to road pavement as 9,600 cars.
(Highway Research Board, NAS, 1962).
Overweight trucks chronically underpay their fair share of taxes and user fees for the repair of U.S. roads and bridges.
By damaging roads, large trucks further degrade highway safety.
(U.S. DOT, 1997).
"
http://www.saferoads.org/dangers-large-trucks [saferoads.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544955</id>
	<title>Actually, this is a great idea...</title>
	<author>agentkhaki</author>
	<datestamp>1246471740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd just move the GPS to my bike and wire it up to a spare car battery. Then I'd have a good excuse not to work out ("But honey, if I go for a ride, it'll cost us...") AND I'd save money in taxes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd just move the GPS to my bike and wire it up to a spare car battery .
Then I 'd have a good excuse not to work out ( " But honey , if I go for a ride , it 'll cost us... " ) AND I 'd save money in taxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd just move the GPS to my bike and wire it up to a spare car battery.
Then I'd have a good excuse not to work out ("But honey, if I go for a ride, it'll cost us...") AND I'd save money in taxes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543783</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>istartedi</author>
	<datestamp>1246468260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, and they could just use pencils in space
instead of designing zero-gravity pens; but where's
the taxpayer funded windfall in that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and they could just use pencils in space instead of designing zero-gravity pens ; but where 's the taxpayer funded windfall in that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and they could just use pencils in space
instead of designing zero-gravity pens; but where's
the taxpayer funded windfall in that?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28550043</id>
	<title>fuel efficient cars are becoming more popular?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1246444020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its not just that but as the government pushes them onto us the 'problem' will get worse. Interesting excuse to dig more into our private lives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its not just that but as the government pushes them onto us the 'problem ' will get worse .
Interesting excuse to dig more into our private lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its not just that but as the government pushes them onto us the 'problem' will get worse.
Interesting excuse to dig more into our private lives.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28554467</id>
	<title>Live in Tax Free countries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246476480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By 2020 most of the people would have fled the tax heavy countries and moved to the tax free countries like a few in the Middle East. Not having to pay taxes also makes you live longer as you don't have to worry about all the complicated tax systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By 2020 most of the people would have fled the tax heavy countries and moved to the tax free countries like a few in the Middle East .
Not having to pay taxes also makes you live longer as you do n't have to worry about all the complicated tax systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By 2020 most of the people would have fled the tax heavy countries and moved to the tax free countries like a few in the Middle East.
Not having to pay taxes also makes you live longer as you don't have to worry about all the complicated tax systems.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543653</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>LoRdTAW</author>
	<datestamp>1246467840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It says in the summary that hopefully they will phase out the gas tax ($0.28) by 2020.</p><p>My concern is how will you be taxed? What if the vehicle is driven off road, will the GPS unit know for sure you didn't put those miles on regulated roads? What about heavier vehicles such as trucks, how will they be charged? What is to stop someone from altering the unit so that long 3000 mile road trip they took does not show up? I realize there could be a discrepancy in the odometer and actual road tax GPS unit. But how could it b proved that the car was driven on taxable roads?</p><p>Sounds like an interesting idea, especially for trucks that have to report their mileage for the IFTA which is a pain in the ass. Now they can just drive and receive a bill instead of logging miles compiling them and figuring out which states they drove in and how many miles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It says in the summary that hopefully they will phase out the gas tax ( $ 0.28 ) by 2020.My concern is how will you be taxed ?
What if the vehicle is driven off road , will the GPS unit know for sure you did n't put those miles on regulated roads ?
What about heavier vehicles such as trucks , how will they be charged ?
What is to stop someone from altering the unit so that long 3000 mile road trip they took does not show up ?
I realize there could be a discrepancy in the odometer and actual road tax GPS unit .
But how could it b proved that the car was driven on taxable roads ? Sounds like an interesting idea , especially for trucks that have to report their mileage for the IFTA which is a pain in the ass .
Now they can just drive and receive a bill instead of logging miles compiling them and figuring out which states they drove in and how many miles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It says in the summary that hopefully they will phase out the gas tax ($0.28) by 2020.My concern is how will you be taxed?
What if the vehicle is driven off road, will the GPS unit know for sure you didn't put those miles on regulated roads?
What about heavier vehicles such as trucks, how will they be charged?
What is to stop someone from altering the unit so that long 3000 mile road trip they took does not show up?
I realize there could be a discrepancy in the odometer and actual road tax GPS unit.
But how could it b proved that the car was driven on taxable roads?Sounds like an interesting idea, especially for trucks that have to report their mileage for the IFTA which is a pain in the ass.
Now they can just drive and receive a bill instead of logging miles compiling them and figuring out which states they drove in and how many miles.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543923</id>
	<title>Brilliant</title>
	<author>MBoffin</author>
	<datestamp>1246468680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like how it takes into account solar flares that knock out GPS reception, and signal reflection in the city that causes location jumps, and non-public roads that shouldn't be taxed, and size and weight of the car as related to the actual effect the car has on the roads, and, and, and....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like how it takes into account solar flares that knock out GPS reception , and signal reflection in the city that causes location jumps , and non-public roads that should n't be taxed , and size and weight of the car as related to the actual effect the car has on the roads , and , and , and... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like how it takes into account solar flares that knock out GPS reception, and signal reflection in the city that causes location jumps, and non-public roads that shouldn't be taxed, and size and weight of the car as related to the actual effect the car has on the roads, and, and, and....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543687</id>
	<title>Re:At first I cringed.</title>
	<author>FutureDomain</author>
	<datestamp>1246467900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So 1 cent/mile would save me a decent amount of money, while 2 cents would raise my current cost.  Of course who knows what the value of a penny will be and the current gas tax in 2020.</p></div><p>My guess is that it'll be more than 1 or 2 cents per mile after it is fully implemented. Taxes have an uncanny way of always going up, never down. After another state almost goes bankrupt or Al Gore starts whining about global warming again, it'll be raised.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So 1 cent/mile would save me a decent amount of money , while 2 cents would raise my current cost .
Of course who knows what the value of a penny will be and the current gas tax in 2020.My guess is that it 'll be more than 1 or 2 cents per mile after it is fully implemented .
Taxes have an uncanny way of always going up , never down .
After another state almost goes bankrupt or Al Gore starts whining about global warming again , it 'll be raised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So 1 cent/mile would save me a decent amount of money, while 2 cents would raise my current cost.
Of course who knows what the value of a penny will be and the current gas tax in 2020.My guess is that it'll be more than 1 or 2 cents per mile after it is fully implemented.
Taxes have an uncanny way of always going up, never down.
After another state almost goes bankrupt or Al Gore starts whining about global warming again, it'll be raised.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543285</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546537</id>
	<title>Charging meter?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246476300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not just put a meter on electric car chargers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just put a meter on electric car chargers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just put a meter on electric car chargers?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543217</id>
	<title>Reasonable!</title>
	<author>Gulthek</author>
	<datestamp>1246466700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1 to 2 cents per mile actually sounds quite reasonable and a good idea.</p><p>That's only $20 or $40 bucks for a 2000 mile trip.</p><p>It would serve as a dampening effect for the excessive driving we embrace in the states. Sure gas already costs, but the knowledge that each mile is ticking away money would, I think, be more directly noticeable.</p><p>Bonus points would be the funds from this going to transportation projects that provide good alternatives to driving: light rail, good bus network, etc. Then we'd be getting both incentive and alternative at once.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 to 2 cents per mile actually sounds quite reasonable and a good idea.That 's only $ 20 or $ 40 bucks for a 2000 mile trip.It would serve as a dampening effect for the excessive driving we embrace in the states .
Sure gas already costs , but the knowledge that each mile is ticking away money would , I think , be more directly noticeable.Bonus points would be the funds from this going to transportation projects that provide good alternatives to driving : light rail , good bus network , etc .
Then we 'd be getting both incentive and alternative at once .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1 to 2 cents per mile actually sounds quite reasonable and a good idea.That's only $20 or $40 bucks for a 2000 mile trip.It would serve as a dampening effect for the excessive driving we embrace in the states.
Sure gas already costs, but the knowledge that each mile is ticking away money would, I think, be more directly noticeable.Bonus points would be the funds from this going to transportation projects that provide good alternatives to driving: light rail, good bus network, etc.
Then we'd be getting both incentive and alternative at once.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544685</id>
	<title>There is a much easier solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246470840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They already make you get emissions when you pay your ad valorem tax in most states, why not just record the millage then and add the "road" tax to the ad valorem tax each year. ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They already make you get emissions when you pay your ad valorem tax in most states , why not just record the millage then and add the " road " tax to the ad valorem tax each year .
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They already make you get emissions when you pay your ad valorem tax in most states, why not just record the millage then and add the "road" tax to the ad valorem tax each year.
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545135</id>
	<title>It works in France</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246472160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about some good old fashioned tollbooths?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about some good old fashioned tollbooths ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about some good old fashioned tollbooths?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28548507</id>
	<title>Re:At first I cringed.</title>
	<author>jamstar7</author>
	<datestamp>1246439340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Anybody who is getting better than 18.5 miles per gallon will LOSE money if this happens.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Sounds like a subsidy for SUVs to me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody who is getting better than 18.5 miles per gallon will LOSE money if this happens .
Sounds like a subsidy for SUVs to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody who is getting better than 18.5 miles per gallon will LOSE money if this happens.
Sounds like a subsidy for SUVs to me.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543723</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543645</id>
	<title>Or try a simpler method...</title>
	<author>FTWinston</author>
	<datestamp>1246467840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not just tax fuel more? If fuel use is going down and more tax money is needed, why not just increase the fuel tax? Such a system would be many times more efficient, and doesn't require sticking GPS and net access into every car.</p><p>If they're worried about electric cars, simply taxing more on electricity would work, you know? Same with any other alternate fuels</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just tax fuel more ?
If fuel use is going down and more tax money is needed , why not just increase the fuel tax ?
Such a system would be many times more efficient , and does n't require sticking GPS and net access into every car.If they 're worried about electric cars , simply taxing more on electricity would work , you know ?
Same with any other alternate fuels</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just tax fuel more?
If fuel use is going down and more tax money is needed, why not just increase the fuel tax?
Such a system would be many times more efficient, and doesn't require sticking GPS and net access into every car.If they're worried about electric cars, simply taxing more on electricity would work, you know?
Same with any other alternate fuels</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544841</id>
	<title>Re:Better watch your speed...</title>
	<author>funkyloki</author>
	<datestamp>1246471320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, I pay cash for my gas, the gov gets their bit, and I get the fuel for my car, without anyone else knowing what I specifically spent my money on.  I don't like this new idea one bit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I pay cash for my gas , the gov gets their bit , and I get the fuel for my car , without anyone else knowing what I specifically spent my money on .
I do n't like this new idea one bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I pay cash for my gas, the gov gets their bit, and I get the fuel for my car, without anyone else knowing what I specifically spent my money on.
I don't like this new idea one bit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543499</id>
	<title>Regressive tax, will hurt the poor</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1246467480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Side effect: it becomes cheaper to drive a gas guzzler, and more expensive to drive an economy engine:</p><p>At current gas tax rates, that trip would cost my truck somewhere around $60 in existing gas taxes.</p><p>Existing gas tax would be about $10 in a fuel-efficient car.</p><p>Small fuel-efficient cars tend to be driven by lower-income people, who will therefore be hardest hit by this as their economy cars will pay a disproportionate amount of tax, based on per mile rather than per gallon.</p><p>So -- this is a regressive tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Side effect : it becomes cheaper to drive a gas guzzler , and more expensive to drive an economy engine : At current gas tax rates , that trip would cost my truck somewhere around $ 60 in existing gas taxes.Existing gas tax would be about $ 10 in a fuel-efficient car.Small fuel-efficient cars tend to be driven by lower-income people , who will therefore be hardest hit by this as their economy cars will pay a disproportionate amount of tax , based on per mile rather than per gallon.So -- this is a regressive tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Side effect: it becomes cheaper to drive a gas guzzler, and more expensive to drive an economy engine:At current gas tax rates, that trip would cost my truck somewhere around $60 in existing gas taxes.Existing gas tax would be about $10 in a fuel-efficient car.Small fuel-efficient cars tend to be driven by lower-income people, who will therefore be hardest hit by this as their economy cars will pay a disproportionate amount of tax, based on per mile rather than per gallon.So -- this is a regressive tax.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28562555</id>
	<title>Re:Costs should be dropping with revenues</title>
	<author>gstoddart</author>
	<datestamp>1246566240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Second, it's a load of crap. Fuel consumption is roughly inversely proportional to weight, so on average, less fuel consumption means lighter vehicles.</p></div></blockquote><p>Surely you mean that it's roughly <em>proportional</em> to weight.  As in, the more your vehicle weighs, the more fuel it costs to operate.</p><p><em>Inversely</em> proportional would probably violate several of Newton's laws -- by the time you had infinite mass it would require zero energy to move it, and a tiny mass would require an astronomical amount of energy.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</p><p>It just can't be <em>inversely</em> proportional.</p><p>Cheers</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Second , it 's a load of crap .
Fuel consumption is roughly inversely proportional to weight , so on average , less fuel consumption means lighter vehicles.Surely you mean that it 's roughly proportional to weight .
As in , the more your vehicle weighs , the more fuel it costs to operate.Inversely proportional would probably violate several of Newton 's laws -- by the time you had infinite mass it would require zero energy to move it , and a tiny mass would require an astronomical amount of energy .
: -PIt just ca n't be inversely proportional.Cheers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Second, it's a load of crap.
Fuel consumption is roughly inversely proportional to weight, so on average, less fuel consumption means lighter vehicles.Surely you mean that it's roughly proportional to weight.
As in, the more your vehicle weighs, the more fuel it costs to operate.Inversely proportional would probably violate several of Newton's laws -- by the time you had infinite mass it would require zero energy to move it, and a tiny mass would require an astronomical amount of energy.
:-PIt just can't be inversely proportional.Cheers
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544171</id>
	<title>Re:faraday cage anyone?</title>
	<author>corcoranp</author>
	<datestamp>1246469340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the government we are talking about.....haven't you heard of the AMT <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative\_Minimum\_Tax" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative\_Minimum\_Tax</a> [wikipedia.org]?<br> <br>They would impose some sort of minimum fee regardless, with some new form of the IRS (IMS Internal Motorist Service) that would audit your odometer....</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the government we are talking about.....have n't you heard of the AMT http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative \ _Minimum \ _Tax [ wikipedia.org ] ?
They would impose some sort of minimum fee regardless , with some new form of the IRS ( IMS Internal Motorist Service ) that would audit your odometer... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the government we are talking about.....haven't you heard of the AMT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative\_Minimum\_Tax [wikipedia.org]?
They would impose some sort of minimum fee regardless, with some new form of the IRS (IMS Internal Motorist Service) that would audit your odometer....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543163</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543537</id>
	<title>Re:Yet another reason to install linux in your car</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Onstar=owned by GM</p><p>GM=owned by Obama</p><p>Onstar=Obama, QED</p><p>This is the change you voted for.</p><p>I, for one, embrace our benevolent despot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Onstar = owned by GMGM = owned by ObamaOnstar = Obama , QEDThis is the change you voted for.I , for one , embrace our benevolent despot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Onstar=owned by GMGM=owned by ObamaOnstar=Obama, QEDThis is the change you voted for.I, for one, embrace our benevolent despot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543221</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544709</id>
	<title>My 70 Chevelle SS 454 didn't come with a GPS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246470900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who is going to make sure I have a GPS in it when I drive it?</p><p>Oh, and it gets 8-9 MPG.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who is going to make sure I have a GPS in it when I drive it ? Oh , and it gets 8-9 MPG .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who is going to make sure I have a GPS in it when I drive it?Oh, and it gets 8-9 MPG.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543843</id>
	<title>Fire up your soldering irons!</title>
	<author>aceofspades1217</author>
	<datestamp>1246468500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HAH! And you thought modchips were just for running *legal* backups of your own games...think again!</p><p>At least geeks will have a steady income installing them once every new car has this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HAH !
And you thought modchips were just for running * legal * backups of your own games...think again ! At least geeks will have a steady income installing them once every new car has this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HAH!
And you thought modchips were just for running *legal* backups of your own games...think again!At least geeks will have a steady income installing them once every new car has this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544063</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>VelocityZero</author>
	<datestamp>1246469040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, I'll get a bicycle so that I can take it to work....  It's only 20 miles away, so I'll be on the bike for at least an hour and half.  And in a NY winter that will be great!  Two feet of snow won't slow me down a bit!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I 'll get a bicycle so that I can take it to work.... It 's only 20 miles away , so I 'll be on the bike for at least an hour and half .
And in a NY winter that will be great !
Two feet of snow wo n't slow me down a bit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I'll get a bicycle so that I can take it to work....  It's only 20 miles away, so I'll be on the bike for at least an hour and half.
And in a NY winter that will be great!
Two feet of snow won't slow me down a bit!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546475</id>
	<title>Gas tax redaction?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246476060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't suppose that the federal and state governments would also be willing to rescind gas taxes as well? If we are going to be charged "usage" taxes, which currently are in the form of gasoline taxes, then I suppose it would be asking too much that gasoline taxes be reduced significantly, or rescinded altogether? One thing I know, that if you aren't in the 2\% richest category, your taxes almost never go down...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't suppose that the federal and state governments would also be willing to rescind gas taxes as well ?
If we are going to be charged " usage " taxes , which currently are in the form of gasoline taxes , then I suppose it would be asking too much that gasoline taxes be reduced significantly , or rescinded altogether ?
One thing I know , that if you are n't in the 2 \ % richest category , your taxes almost never go down.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't suppose that the federal and state governments would also be willing to rescind gas taxes as well?
If we are going to be charged "usage" taxes, which currently are in the form of gasoline taxes, then I suppose it would be asking too much that gasoline taxes be reduced significantly, or rescinded altogether?
One thing I know, that if you aren't in the 2\% richest category, your taxes almost never go down...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28551571</id>
	<title>Another system you can't tamper with</title>
	<author>putaro</author>
	<datestamp>1246450680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This now adds a ridiculously complicated system that will have legal penalties if you "tamper" with it.  What happens if you add a part to your car shields the GPS antenna and it can't get a fix anymore?  If you bust the electrical system and the tax tracker no longer gets powered.</p><p>We don't need any mandated, you can't touch this, systems in our lives.</p><p>The report is wrong anyhow.  This is no longer a tax.  This is now a fee.  The government should not be in the business of collecting fees for usage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This now adds a ridiculously complicated system that will have legal penalties if you " tamper " with it .
What happens if you add a part to your car shields the GPS antenna and it ca n't get a fix anymore ?
If you bust the electrical system and the tax tracker no longer gets powered.We do n't need any mandated , you ca n't touch this , systems in our lives.The report is wrong anyhow .
This is no longer a tax .
This is now a fee .
The government should not be in the business of collecting fees for usage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This now adds a ridiculously complicated system that will have legal penalties if you "tamper" with it.
What happens if you add a part to your car shields the GPS antenna and it can't get a fix anymore?
If you bust the electrical system and the tax tracker no longer gets powered.We don't need any mandated, you can't touch this, systems in our lives.The report is wrong anyhow.
This is no longer a tax.
This is now a fee.
The government should not be in the business of collecting fees for usage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28550915</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246447500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Something that might get <b>more</b> Americans to ride bicycles.</p></div><p>
More americans, not necessarily you.  We understand that biking isn't going to be viable for every idiot who moves 20 miles away from where they work.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles .
More americans , not necessarily you .
We understand that biking is n't going to be viable for every idiot who moves 20 miles away from where they work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.
More americans, not necessarily you.
We understand that biking isn't going to be viable for every idiot who moves 20 miles away from where they work.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543883</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544569</id>
	<title>Re:Great Idea</title>
	<author>bdenton42</author>
	<datestamp>1246470480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In reference to the Illinois Tollway system I found this kind of interesting: <a href="http://www.jschoenberg.org/tollway/Illinois\_Report\_Final.pdf" title="jschoenberg.org">http://www.jschoenberg.org/tollway/Illinois\_Report\_Final.pdf</a> [jschoenberg.org] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In reference to the Illinois Tollway system I found this kind of interesting : http : //www.jschoenberg.org/tollway/Illinois \ _Report \ _Final.pdf [ jschoenberg.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In reference to the Illinois Tollway system I found this kind of interesting: http://www.jschoenberg.org/tollway/Illinois\_Report\_Final.pdf [jschoenberg.org] </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28549705</id>
	<title>Re:Just awful</title>
	<author>ChartBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1246442820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rather than weighting by fuel consumption, why not introduce a multiplier based on vehicle weight?
<br> <br>The heavier vehicle puts more wear on the road, so it should pay more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rather than weighting by fuel consumption , why not introduce a multiplier based on vehicle weight ?
The heavier vehicle puts more wear on the road , so it should pay more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rather than weighting by fuel consumption, why not introduce a multiplier based on vehicle weight?
The heavier vehicle puts more wear on the road, so it should pay more.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543583</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543811</id>
	<title>Why not test this with Truck Drivers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246468380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I cannot understand why they cannot test this with truck drivers first to work out the bugs. They already pay fuel taxes and registration fees based on how many miles they drive in each state so it would be logical to let the device keep track of the mileage rather than the driver.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not understand why they can not test this with truck drivers first to work out the bugs .
They already pay fuel taxes and registration fees based on how many miles they drive in each state so it would be logical to let the device keep track of the mileage rather than the driver .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot understand why they cannot test this with truck drivers first to work out the bugs.
They already pay fuel taxes and registration fees based on how many miles they drive in each state so it would be logical to let the device keep track of the mileage rather than the driver.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543423</id>
	<title>And this encourages conservation how???</title>
	<author>DRBivens</author>
	<datestamp>1246467240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like it or not, a direct result of higher fuel prices is a drop is demand. Regardless of your views on oil production/drilling/exploration, it seems like it would be in everyone's best interest to use less fuel.</p><p>There was once--many years ago--talk of taxing motor fuel to reduce consumption. While I never personally agreed with the proposal, the idea of removing taxes from gasoline (which would make it appear cheaper to consumers) seems like a step in the wrong direction.</p><p>I wonder who is advising the "federal commission" on the options available to them? Why on earth would they decide a massive new taxation infrastructure was the "best path forward" unless they were being advised by someone who would benefit in some way from the massive purchase of new GPS tracking equipment?</p><p>Call me a curmudgeon, but I'd really like to know...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like it or not , a direct result of higher fuel prices is a drop is demand .
Regardless of your views on oil production/drilling/exploration , it seems like it would be in everyone 's best interest to use less fuel.There was once--many years ago--talk of taxing motor fuel to reduce consumption .
While I never personally agreed with the proposal , the idea of removing taxes from gasoline ( which would make it appear cheaper to consumers ) seems like a step in the wrong direction.I wonder who is advising the " federal commission " on the options available to them ?
Why on earth would they decide a massive new taxation infrastructure was the " best path forward " unless they were being advised by someone who would benefit in some way from the massive purchase of new GPS tracking equipment ? Call me a curmudgeon , but I 'd really like to know.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like it or not, a direct result of higher fuel prices is a drop is demand.
Regardless of your views on oil production/drilling/exploration, it seems like it would be in everyone's best interest to use less fuel.There was once--many years ago--talk of taxing motor fuel to reduce consumption.
While I never personally agreed with the proposal, the idea of removing taxes from gasoline (which would make it appear cheaper to consumers) seems like a step in the wrong direction.I wonder who is advising the "federal commission" on the options available to them?
Why on earth would they decide a massive new taxation infrastructure was the "best path forward" unless they were being advised by someone who would benefit in some way from the massive purchase of new GPS tracking equipment?Call me a curmudgeon, but I'd really like to know...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28553527</id>
	<title>Infrastructure?</title>
	<author>sincewhen</author>
	<datestamp>1246465020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>uploaded to a billing center</i> <br>
<br>
Can someone explain to me how it would be feasible to have millions of cars uploading data regularly? Where is the infrastructure for this? Who pays for the comms and equipment?</htmltext>
<tokenext>uploaded to a billing center Can someone explain to me how it would be feasible to have millions of cars uploading data regularly ?
Where is the infrastructure for this ?
Who pays for the comms and equipment ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>uploaded to a billing center 

Can someone explain to me how it would be feasible to have millions of cars uploading data regularly?
Where is the infrastructure for this?
Who pays for the comms and equipment?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543355</id>
	<title>Fraud</title>
	<author>RandomU</author>
	<datestamp>1246467060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why use this as opposed to simply using the cars odometer? The govenrment better not say fraud (Setting the Odometer back, or disconecting the cable). After all how easy will it be to disconect, or better still shield or jam the attena so the signal doesn't reach the GPS unit. Simply claim you parked your car in a place where the signal couldn't reach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why use this as opposed to simply using the cars odometer ?
The govenrment better not say fraud ( Setting the Odometer back , or disconecting the cable ) .
After all how easy will it be to disconect , or better still shield or jam the attena so the signal does n't reach the GPS unit .
Simply claim you parked your car in a place where the signal could n't reach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why use this as opposed to simply using the cars odometer?
The govenrment better not say fraud (Setting the Odometer back, or disconecting the cable).
After all how easy will it be to disconect, or better still shield or jam the attena so the signal doesn't reach the GPS unit.
Simply claim you parked your car in a place where the signal couldn't reach.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544551</id>
	<title>Re:Odometer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246470420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They also don't "sppell checkers".  Or grrammar ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They also do n't " sppell checkers " .
Or grrammar ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They also don't "sppell checkers".
Or grrammar ones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28546415</id>
	<title>Another step towards socialism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246475940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only person that this worries?</p><p>The government's ability to track me is a violation of privacy laws and is therefore unconstitutional. Of course, that has never stopped the idiots in Washington from doing things in the past. Oh well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only person that this worries ? The government 's ability to track me is a violation of privacy laws and is therefore unconstitutional .
Of course , that has never stopped the idiots in Washington from doing things in the past .
Oh well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only person that this worries?The government's ability to track me is a violation of privacy laws and is therefore unconstitutional.
Of course, that has never stopped the idiots in Washington from doing things in the past.
Oh well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545497</id>
	<title>Will GPS still work in 2020?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246473240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The GPS satellites are run by the U.S. Air Force, and the first generation satellies are close to their design end of life. The program to replace them is currently running three years behind schedule and $870 million over budget.</p><p>In view of this potential problem, combined with the current economic situation, is it reasonable to expect the system to still be running reliably in 2020?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The GPS satellites are run by the U.S. Air Force , and the first generation satellies are close to their design end of life .
The program to replace them is currently running three years behind schedule and $ 870 million over budget.In view of this potential problem , combined with the current economic situation , is it reasonable to expect the system to still be running reliably in 2020 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The GPS satellites are run by the U.S. Air Force, and the first generation satellies are close to their design end of life.
The program to replace them is currently running three years behind schedule and $870 million over budget.In view of this potential problem, combined with the current economic situation, is it reasonable to expect the system to still be running reliably in 2020?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28548649</id>
	<title>Fat Chance</title>
	<author>Mycroft\_514</author>
	<datestamp>1246439700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, some states have the emissions checks done by private enterprises (CT for one).  And then you get states like Florida, that do not do an Emissions check at all.  In fact, there is no check of any car in Florida that would involve looking at the odometer.</p><p>Oops....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , some states have the emissions checks done by private enterprises ( CT for one ) .
And then you get states like Florida , that do not do an Emissions check at all .
In fact , there is no check of any car in Florida that would involve looking at the odometer.Oops... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, some states have the emissions checks done by private enterprises (CT for one).
And then you get states like Florida, that do not do an Emissions check at all.
In fact, there is no check of any car in Florida that would involve looking at the odometer.Oops....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543195</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28544173</id>
	<title>Re:Roads/infrastructure need to be paid for</title>
	<author>Christopher01</author>
	<datestamp>1246469340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought that we were paying for road repairs already through our local city, state sales taxes, registration fees, through our moving violation fines, hotel taxes. Or when people choose to purchase vanity plates for their vehicle.
I personally despise seeing city construction workers on site when six men are watching man person shovel. A great allocation of resources there. Will my new GPS tax fund another watcher?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought that we were paying for road repairs already through our local city , state sales taxes , registration fees , through our moving violation fines , hotel taxes .
Or when people choose to purchase vanity plates for their vehicle .
I personally despise seeing city construction workers on site when six men are watching man person shovel .
A great allocation of resources there .
Will my new GPS tax fund another watcher ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought that we were paying for road repairs already through our local city, state sales taxes, registration fees, through our moving violation fines, hotel taxes.
Or when people choose to purchase vanity plates for their vehicle.
I personally despise seeing city construction workers on site when six men are watching man person shovel.
A great allocation of resources there.
Will my new GPS tax fund another watcher?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543301</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543511</id>
	<title>Well lets add this one to the list eh?</title>
	<author>zerointeger</author>
	<datestamp>1246467540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Accounts Receivable Tax<br>
Building Permit Tax<br>
CDL License Tax<br>
Cigarette Tax<br>
Corporate Income Tax<br>
Dog License Tax<br>
Federal Income Tax<br>
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)<br>
Fishing License Tax<br>
Food License Tax<br>
Fue l Permit Tax<br>
Gasoline Tax<br>
Hunting License Tax<br>
Inheritance Tax<br>
Inventory Tax<br>
IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)<br>
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)<br>
Liquor Tax<br>
Luxury Tax<br>
Marriage License Tax<br>
Medicare Tax<br>
Property Tax<br>
Real Estate Tax<br>
Service charge taxes<br>
Social Security Tax<br>
Road Usage Tax (Truckers)<br>
Sales Taxes<br>
Recreational Vehicle Tax<br>
School Tax<br>
State Income Tax <br>
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)<br>
Telephone Federal Excise Tax<br>
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax<br>
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax<br>
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax<br>
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax <br>
Telephone State and Local Tax<br>
Telephone Usage Charge Tax<br>
Utility Tax<br>
Vehicle License Registration Tax<br>
Vehicle Sales Tax<br>
Watercraft Registration Tax<br>
Well Permit Tax<br>
Workers Compensation Tax<br>
<br>
Tax me driving (NEW!!!)<br>

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago...
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Accounts Receivable Tax Building Permit Tax CDL License Tax Cigarette Tax Corporate Income Tax Dog License Tax Federal Income Tax Federal Unemployment Tax ( FUTA ) Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fue l Permit Tax Gasoline Tax Hunting License Tax Inheritance Tax Inventory Tax IRS Interest Charges ( tax on top of tax ) IRS Penalties ( tax on top of tax ) Liquor Tax Luxury Tax Marriage License Tax Medicare Tax Property Tax Real Estate Tax Service charge taxes Social Security Tax Road Usage Tax ( Truckers ) Sales Taxes Recreational Vehicle Tax School Tax State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax ( SUTA ) Telephone Federal Excise Tax Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax Telephone Federal , State and Local Surcharge Tax Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax Telephone State and Local Tax Telephone Usage Charge Tax Utility Tax Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Watercraft Registration Tax Well Permit Tax Workers Compensation Tax Tax me driving ( NEW ! ! !
) Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago.. . and our nation was the most prosperous in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fue l Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Tax
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service charge taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax 
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax 
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Tax
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Tax me driving (NEW!!!
)

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago...
and our nation was the most prosperous in the world.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543071</id>
	<title>Do we really need GPS to track mileage ?</title>
	<author>ls671</author>
	<datestamp>1246466220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me like GPS provides other features than mileage tracking which the government could use.</p><p>If we are only concerned about tracking the mileage, there is already nice tool that does just this, couldn't it be used to also display how much it costs us in real time ?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)))</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taximeter" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taximeter</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me like GPS provides other features than mileage tracking which the government could use.If we are only concerned about tracking the mileage , there is already nice tool that does just this , could n't it be used to also display how much it costs us in real time ?
; - ) ) ) http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taximeter [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me like GPS provides other features than mileage tracking which the government could use.If we are only concerned about tracking the mileage, there is already nice tool that does just this, couldn't it be used to also display how much it costs us in real time ?
;-)))http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taximeter [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545651</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246473720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You obviously don't live anywhere that gets snow. Try riding a bicycle through 2 feet of snow, on icy roads, in freezing temperatures. No thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You obviously do n't live anywhere that gets snow .
Try riding a bicycle through 2 feet of snow , on icy roads , in freezing temperatures .
No thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You obviously don't live anywhere that gets snow.
Try riding a bicycle through 2 feet of snow, on icy roads, in freezing temperatures.
No thanks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543455</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28545481</id>
	<title>Re:old/weird cars?</title>
	<author>j-turkey</author>
	<datestamp>1246473240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So I guess they will have exemptions for older cars, cars that have value in original condition and adding/changing something will reduce value, etc.</p><p>For example - what would happen to the value of my all original '65 Porsche 356 if a hole was cut in the dash, another in the body for the antenna, etc?  Not to mention running whatever they design off of a 44+ year old 6v electrical system...</p></div><p>Just like other federal auto regulations (like emissions, safety, etc), your 356 will most likely be exempt.  You haven't had to add a cat, EGR, shoulder-belt, third brake-light, rear seat belts, OBD, etc.  This won't be any different</p><p>
My guess is that the fed will mandate GPS devices in <i>new</i> cars over the next few years, and will start taxing based on the readings 10 years later.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So I guess they will have exemptions for older cars , cars that have value in original condition and adding/changing something will reduce value , etc.For example - what would happen to the value of my all original '65 Porsche 356 if a hole was cut in the dash , another in the body for the antenna , etc ?
Not to mention running whatever they design off of a 44 + year old 6v electrical system...Just like other federal auto regulations ( like emissions , safety , etc ) , your 356 will most likely be exempt .
You have n't had to add a cat , EGR , shoulder-belt , third brake-light , rear seat belts , OBD , etc .
This wo n't be any different My guess is that the fed will mandate GPS devices in new cars over the next few years , and will start taxing based on the readings 10 years later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I guess they will have exemptions for older cars, cars that have value in original condition and adding/changing something will reduce value, etc.For example - what would happen to the value of my all original '65 Porsche 356 if a hole was cut in the dash, another in the body for the antenna, etc?
Not to mention running whatever they design off of a 44+ year old 6v electrical system...Just like other federal auto regulations (like emissions, safety, etc), your 356 will most likely be exempt.
You haven't had to add a cat, EGR, shoulder-belt, third brake-light, rear seat belts, OBD, etc.
This won't be any different
My guess is that the fed will mandate GPS devices in new cars over the next few years, and will start taxing based on the readings 10 years later.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1457243.28543187</parent>
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