<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_01_1224235</id>
	<title>BD+ Resealed Once Again</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1246454700000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>IamTheRealMike writes <i>"It's been a few months <a href="//it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/13/137257&amp;tid=93">since we last checked in</a> on how the Blu-Ray group was doing in their fight against piracy. In December 2008, a new generation of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD\%2B">BD+ programs</a> had stopped both SlySoft AnyDVD HD and <a href="http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=140571">the open source effort at Doom9</a>. At the start of January, SlySoft released an update that could handle the new BD+ programs, meaning that Blu-Ray discs could not be decrypted for a period of time about the same length as SlySoft's <a href="http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=14786">worst case scenario</a>. The BD+ retaliation was swift, but largely ineffective, consisting of a unique program for every Blu-Ray master. Users had to upload log files to SlySoft for every new movie/region. They would then support that unique variant in their next update, usually released a few days later. Despite that, the open source effort never did manage to progress beyond the Winter 2008 programs and is currently stalled completely; SlySoft is the only group remaining. This situation remained for several months, but starting around <a href="http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/?ndmViewId=news\_view&amp;newsId=20090429005435&amp;newsLang=en">the same time as Paramount joined Fox in licensing BD+</a>, a new set of programs came out which have once again made Blu-Ray discs unrippable. There are currently <a href="http://forum.slysoft.com/showthread.php?t=29820">19 movies</a> that cannot be decrypted. It appears neither side is able to decisively gain the upper hand, but one thing seems clear &mdash; only full-time, for-profit professionals are able to consistently beat BD+."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>IamTheRealMike writes " It 's been a few months since we last checked in on how the Blu-Ray group was doing in their fight against piracy .
In December 2008 , a new generation of BD + programs had stopped both SlySoft AnyDVD HD and the open source effort at Doom9 .
At the start of January , SlySoft released an update that could handle the new BD + programs , meaning that Blu-Ray discs could not be decrypted for a period of time about the same length as SlySoft 's worst case scenario .
The BD + retaliation was swift , but largely ineffective , consisting of a unique program for every Blu-Ray master .
Users had to upload log files to SlySoft for every new movie/region .
They would then support that unique variant in their next update , usually released a few days later .
Despite that , the open source effort never did manage to progress beyond the Winter 2008 programs and is currently stalled completely ; SlySoft is the only group remaining .
This situation remained for several months , but starting around the same time as Paramount joined Fox in licensing BD + , a new set of programs came out which have once again made Blu-Ray discs unrippable .
There are currently 19 movies that can not be decrypted .
It appears neither side is able to decisively gain the upper hand , but one thing seems clear    only full-time , for-profit professionals are able to consistently beat BD + .
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<sentencetext>IamTheRealMike writes "It's been a few months since we last checked in on how the Blu-Ray group was doing in their fight against piracy.
In December 2008, a new generation of BD+ programs had stopped both SlySoft AnyDVD HD and the open source effort at Doom9.
At the start of January, SlySoft released an update that could handle the new BD+ programs, meaning that Blu-Ray discs could not be decrypted for a period of time about the same length as SlySoft's worst case scenario.
The BD+ retaliation was swift, but largely ineffective, consisting of a unique program for every Blu-Ray master.
Users had to upload log files to SlySoft for every new movie/region.
They would then support that unique variant in their next update, usually released a few days later.
Despite that, the open source effort never did manage to progress beyond the Winter 2008 programs and is currently stalled completely; SlySoft is the only group remaining.
This situation remained for several months, but starting around the same time as Paramount joined Fox in licensing BD+, a new set of programs came out which have once again made Blu-Ray discs unrippable.
There are currently 19 movies that cannot be decrypted.
It appears neither side is able to decisively gain the upper hand, but one thing seems clear — only full-time, for-profit professionals are able to consistently beat BD+.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541689</id>
	<title>It's not a charity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246460340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why can't people realise that movie companies aren't running a charity? Companies release films to make money! How many of those people who are complaining about the encryption here even pay for their DVDs these days? I'd love to place a wager on that!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't people realise that movie companies are n't running a charity ?
Companies release films to make money !
How many of those people who are complaining about the encryption here even pay for their DVDs these days ?
I 'd love to place a wager on that !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't people realise that movie companies aren't running a charity?
Companies release films to make money!
How many of those people who are complaining about the encryption here even pay for their DVDs these days?
I'd love to place a wager on that!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541461</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>corsec67</author>
	<datestamp>1246459020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hah, I doubt that such a lawsuit would get very far.</p><p>Just look at the rootkit lawsuit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hah , I doubt that such a lawsuit would get very far.Just look at the rootkit lawsuit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hah, I doubt that such a lawsuit would get very far.Just look at the rootkit lawsuit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541381</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28548097</id>
	<title>To all you BluRay nay-sayers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246481280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have this flow setup and tenuously working:
<br> <br>
Netflix-born-BluRay -&gt; AnyDVD-HD -&gt; 2TB HDD buffer -&gt; Virtual Clone Drive -&gt; PowerDVD (don't get me started) -&gt; 46" 1080P Sony LCD seated at 45-degree viewing angle (THX recommended minimum is 36-degree)
<br> <br>
I delete the rips after I watch them so I'm not stealing anything -- just time shifting. Though I'm sure I'm breaking the letter multiple BS laws. My conscious is clean (with a little guilt thrown to Netflix, but they enjoy a steady stream of good money from me).

If anyone were to try living with the above setup for a while, you will never want to give it up. BluRay and DVD look amazingly different at that viewing angle and level of quality. I'm not just a believer, but a junky. The blurriness of DVD hurts my eyes now (even though PDVD's upscaler is quite impressive).

Hell, even my stock-feminine wife could see a big difference when we switched from DVD Madmen to BluRay. And she sits on the bed behind the Captain's Chair at ~30-degree viewing angle. So to everyone here crapping on BluRay, you're flat wrong. You just don't have the proper environment to appreciate it, but you probably will within 2 years or so. So quit downplaying important technology (to me now, to you tomorrow).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have this flow setup and tenuously working : Netflix-born-BluRay - &gt; AnyDVD-HD - &gt; 2TB HDD buffer - &gt; Virtual Clone Drive - &gt; PowerDVD ( do n't get me started ) - &gt; 46 " 1080P Sony LCD seated at 45-degree viewing angle ( THX recommended minimum is 36-degree ) I delete the rips after I watch them so I 'm not stealing anything -- just time shifting .
Though I 'm sure I 'm breaking the letter multiple BS laws .
My conscious is clean ( with a little guilt thrown to Netflix , but they enjoy a steady stream of good money from me ) .
If anyone were to try living with the above setup for a while , you will never want to give it up .
BluRay and DVD look amazingly different at that viewing angle and level of quality .
I 'm not just a believer , but a junky .
The blurriness of DVD hurts my eyes now ( even though PDVD 's upscaler is quite impressive ) .
Hell , even my stock-feminine wife could see a big difference when we switched from DVD Madmen to BluRay .
And she sits on the bed behind the Captain 's Chair at ~ 30-degree viewing angle .
So to everyone here crapping on BluRay , you 're flat wrong .
You just do n't have the proper environment to appreciate it , but you probably will within 2 years or so .
So quit downplaying important technology ( to me now , to you tomorrow ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have this flow setup and tenuously working:
 
Netflix-born-BluRay -&gt; AnyDVD-HD -&gt; 2TB HDD buffer -&gt; Virtual Clone Drive -&gt; PowerDVD (don't get me started) -&gt; 46" 1080P Sony LCD seated at 45-degree viewing angle (THX recommended minimum is 36-degree)
 
I delete the rips after I watch them so I'm not stealing anything -- just time shifting.
Though I'm sure I'm breaking the letter multiple BS laws.
My conscious is clean (with a little guilt thrown to Netflix, but they enjoy a steady stream of good money from me).
If anyone were to try living with the above setup for a while, you will never want to give it up.
BluRay and DVD look amazingly different at that viewing angle and level of quality.
I'm not just a believer, but a junky.
The blurriness of DVD hurts my eyes now (even though PDVD's upscaler is quite impressive).
Hell, even my stock-feminine wife could see a big difference when we switched from DVD Madmen to BluRay.
And she sits on the bed behind the Captain's Chair at ~30-degree viewing angle.
So to everyone here crapping on BluRay, you're flat wrong.
You just don't have the proper environment to appreciate it, but you probably will within 2 years or so.
So quit downplaying important technology (to me now, to you tomorrow).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542837</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-ray?</title>
	<author>3waygeek</author>
	<datestamp>1246465320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can get good deals on BluRay discs from time to time.  About a month ago, my local Fry's had a box set of the first six Star Trek movies (i.e. those with TOS cast) for $59.95 -- $10 per disc.  Just about every week, Fry's has one or more similar deals; of course, most of them are for crap movies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can get good deals on BluRay discs from time to time .
About a month ago , my local Fry 's had a box set of the first six Star Trek movies ( i.e .
those with TOS cast ) for $ 59.95 -- $ 10 per disc .
Just about every week , Fry 's has one or more similar deals ; of course , most of them are for crap movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can get good deals on BluRay discs from time to time.
About a month ago, my local Fry's had a box set of the first six Star Trek movies (i.e.
those with TOS cast) for $59.95 -- $10 per disc.
Just about every week, Fry's has one or more similar deals; of course, most of them are for crap movies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541883</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1246461360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The power of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BD\%2B" title="wikipedia.org">BD+</a> [wikipedia.org] is that they can do this without breaking existing players, because they can actually <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Protecting\_Digital\_Content" title="wikipedia.org">change the encryption</a> [wikipedia.org] on the new disks, while still supporting the existing players.</p><p>Everybody laughs that DRM can never succeed - but BD+ has taken DRM to an entirely new level.  It is a shame so much brain power was devoted to hustling people - I like to think that if this same amount of intelligence were applied to legitimate problems, we might have a man on Mars, or a fusion power.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The power of BD + [ wikipedia.org ] is that they can do this without breaking existing players , because they can actually change the encryption [ wikipedia.org ] on the new disks , while still supporting the existing players.Everybody laughs that DRM can never succeed - but BD + has taken DRM to an entirely new level .
It is a shame so much brain power was devoted to hustling people - I like to think that if this same amount of intelligence were applied to legitimate problems , we might have a man on Mars , or a fusion power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The power of BD+ [wikipedia.org] is that they can do this without breaking existing players, because they can actually change the encryption [wikipedia.org] on the new disks, while still supporting the existing players.Everybody laughs that DRM can never succeed - but BD+ has taken DRM to an entirely new level.
It is a shame so much brain power was devoted to hustling people - I like to think that if this same amount of intelligence were applied to legitimate problems, we might have a man on Mars, or a fusion power.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543955</id>
	<title>Re:don't buy it</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1246468800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can buy a blu-ray and pop it into my PS3 and just play it.</p><p>If I buy a blu-ray drive for my PC, I can do the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can buy a blu-ray and pop it into my PS3 and just play it.If I buy a blu-ray drive for my PC , I can do the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can buy a blu-ray and pop it into my PS3 and just play it.If I buy a blu-ray drive for my PC, I can do the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541655</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>sleeponthemic</author>
	<datestamp>1246460100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're an early adopter and the reality of this is that often, you get the shaft.  I doubt you paid $300 and received a set in stone guarantee that your player would be able to player discs from now until eternity.
<br> <br>
Of course, I'm not saying that isn't massively unfair, I'm just saying, thinking about it for a moment, early adopters often get the shaft (without legal ramifications).  This doesn't appear to  generally discourage companies beyond that of souring your retail choice, which of course means nothing to them (as you are a minority).  Cutting it for you isn't their concern.  You are a beta tester.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're an early adopter and the reality of this is that often , you get the shaft .
I doubt you paid $ 300 and received a set in stone guarantee that your player would be able to player discs from now until eternity .
Of course , I 'm not saying that is n't massively unfair , I 'm just saying , thinking about it for a moment , early adopters often get the shaft ( without legal ramifications ) .
This does n't appear to generally discourage companies beyond that of souring your retail choice , which of course means nothing to them ( as you are a minority ) .
Cutting it for you is n't their concern .
You are a beta tester .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're an early adopter and the reality of this is that often, you get the shaft.
I doubt you paid $300 and received a set in stone guarantee that your player would be able to player discs from now until eternity.
Of course, I'm not saying that isn't massively unfair, I'm just saying, thinking about it for a moment, early adopters often get the shaft (without legal ramifications).
This doesn't appear to  generally discourage companies beyond that of souring your retail choice, which of course means nothing to them (as you are a minority).
Cutting it for you isn't their concern.
You are a beta tester.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542149</id>
	<title>Blu-Ray discs are not unrippable</title>
	<author>roystgnr</author>
	<datestamp>1246462320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>a new set of programs came out which have once again made Blu-Ray discs unrippable</i></p><p>At best, 19 Blu-Ray discs are unrippable - the rest are even easier to rip than they first were, because the "break old BD+ encryption" method of ripping has been supplemented with the "go online and download an already ripped copy" method.  So congratulations to the movie industry; a fraction of a percent of the titles they've released will take a little longer to join the rest being pirated.  In exchange, they've had to pay for a complex encryption system whose existence has delayed the development of HD home theater equipment, stopped me from buying their products (I didn't buy into DVD either until it had solid open source support, which as a corollary implies that a format is rippable) and failed frequently enough to scare away other early adopters.</p><p><i>neither side is able to consistently gain the upper hand</i></p><p>That's an understatement.  Fair use is still grossly inconvenient and/or illegal, and copyright infringement is practically unhindered.  It looks to me like both sides are losing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a new set of programs came out which have once again made Blu-Ray discs unrippableAt best , 19 Blu-Ray discs are unrippable - the rest are even easier to rip than they first were , because the " break old BD + encryption " method of ripping has been supplemented with the " go online and download an already ripped copy " method .
So congratulations to the movie industry ; a fraction of a percent of the titles they 've released will take a little longer to join the rest being pirated .
In exchange , they 've had to pay for a complex encryption system whose existence has delayed the development of HD home theater equipment , stopped me from buying their products ( I did n't buy into DVD either until it had solid open source support , which as a corollary implies that a format is rippable ) and failed frequently enough to scare away other early adopters.neither side is able to consistently gain the upper handThat 's an understatement .
Fair use is still grossly inconvenient and/or illegal , and copyright infringement is practically unhindered .
It looks to me like both sides are losing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a new set of programs came out which have once again made Blu-Ray discs unrippableAt best, 19 Blu-Ray discs are unrippable - the rest are even easier to rip than they first were, because the "break old BD+ encryption" method of ripping has been supplemented with the "go online and download an already ripped copy" method.
So congratulations to the movie industry; a fraction of a percent of the titles they've released will take a little longer to join the rest being pirated.
In exchange, they've had to pay for a complex encryption system whose existence has delayed the development of HD home theater equipment, stopped me from buying their products (I didn't buy into DVD either until it had solid open source support, which as a corollary implies that a format is rippable) and failed frequently enough to scare away other early adopters.neither side is able to consistently gain the upper handThat's an understatement.
Fair use is still grossly inconvenient and/or illegal, and copyright infringement is practically unhindered.
It looks to me like both sides are losing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543091</id>
	<title>Re:It's not a charity</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1246466280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I pay for lots of DVD's.  I'll buy 2-3 a month. That's because I can rip them to my media center to access them easily and use them how I want. I can't do the same with Blu-Ray, so I don't own any of them.<br> <br>
Any other trolls?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I pay for lots of DVD 's .
I 'll buy 2-3 a month .
That 's because I can rip them to my media center to access them easily and use them how I want .
I ca n't do the same with Blu-Ray , so I do n't own any of them .
Any other trolls ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pay for lots of DVD's.
I'll buy 2-3 a month.
That's because I can rip them to my media center to access them easily and use them how I want.
I can't do the same with Blu-Ray, so I don't own any of them.
Any other trolls?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28546029</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246474800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Try shutting off the laptop screen before running the movie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try shutting off the laptop screen before running the movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try shutting off the laptop screen before running the movie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28551343</id>
	<title>Re:Here's the real question</title>
	<author>darpo</author>
	<datestamp>1246449540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Answer: both. They are ripping BDs, then encoding into a file that ends up being smaller than the BD but higher quality than the DVD version.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Answer : both .
They are ripping BDs , then encoding into a file that ends up being smaller than the BD but higher quality than the DVD version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Answer: both.
They are ripping BDs, then encoding into a file that ends up being smaller than the BD but higher quality than the DVD version.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542325</id>
	<title>No, HERE's the real question</title>
	<author>Sloppy</author>
	<datestamp>1246463100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unplayable Blu-Ray disc or playable Blu-Ray rip?</p><p>Until BD+ is truly defeated, Blu-Ray discs are not a viable consumer choice.  I can buy a Blu-Ray drive and a Blu-Ray disc and still not have the capacity to watch the movie.  So why would I do that?  How do they expect to collect revenue?  From one-shot sucker buys, where someone buys a single movie, finds out the fraud, and then never repeats business?  I can't believe that's going to work.  Fraud is for fly-by-night operations, not entrenched and known industries like Hollywood.</p><p>The first step to having customers, is to refrain from telling <em>potential</em> customers, "Fuck off, we don't want your money, but if you do force it down our throats by buying our product, at least we won't let you play it."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unplayable Blu-Ray disc or playable Blu-Ray rip ? Until BD + is truly defeated , Blu-Ray discs are not a viable consumer choice .
I can buy a Blu-Ray drive and a Blu-Ray disc and still not have the capacity to watch the movie .
So why would I do that ?
How do they expect to collect revenue ?
From one-shot sucker buys , where someone buys a single movie , finds out the fraud , and then never repeats business ?
I ca n't believe that 's going to work .
Fraud is for fly-by-night operations , not entrenched and known industries like Hollywood.The first step to having customers , is to refrain from telling potential customers , " Fuck off , we do n't want your money , but if you do force it down our throats by buying our product , at least we wo n't let you play it .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unplayable Blu-Ray disc or playable Blu-Ray rip?Until BD+ is truly defeated, Blu-Ray discs are not a viable consumer choice.
I can buy a Blu-Ray drive and a Blu-Ray disc and still not have the capacity to watch the movie.
So why would I do that?
How do they expect to collect revenue?
From one-shot sucker buys, where someone buys a single movie, finds out the fraud, and then never repeats business?
I can't believe that's going to work.
Fraud is for fly-by-night operations, not entrenched and known industries like Hollywood.The first step to having customers, is to refrain from telling potential customers, "Fuck off, we don't want your money, but if you do force it down our throats by buying our product, at least we won't let you play it.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542285</id>
	<title>screw bluray</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246462920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Until they make it worthwhile to legitimately purchase their discs and play it on my hardware (no, not the hardware that they approve, I mean the stuff that <b>I</b> want to play it on), I'm happy getting x264 rips and watching them on my popcorn hour.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Until they make it worthwhile to legitimately purchase their discs and play it on my hardware ( no , not the hardware that they approve , I mean the stuff that I want to play it on ) , I 'm happy getting x264 rips and watching them on my popcorn hour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until they make it worthwhile to legitimately purchase their discs and play it on my hardware (no, not the hardware that they approve, I mean the stuff that I want to play it on), I'm happy getting x264 rips and watching them on my popcorn hour.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541931</id>
	<title>High Cost?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246461540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>For those complaining about the "high" cost... You can now get Blu-ray players for Walmart starting from $125 meanwhile Amazon is selling disks starting at $13. Sure it's not as cheap as DVD, but it's gone down in price significantly over the course of 1 year.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For those complaining about the " high " cost... You can now get Blu-ray players for Walmart starting from $ 125 meanwhile Amazon is selling disks starting at $ 13 .
Sure it 's not as cheap as DVD , but it 's gone down in price significantly over the course of 1 year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those complaining about the "high" cost... You can now get Blu-ray players for Walmart starting from $125 meanwhile Amazon is selling disks starting at $13.
Sure it's not as cheap as DVD, but it's gone down in price significantly over the course of 1 year.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28546053</id>
	<title>Re:The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1246474860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The industry only wins if people buy Blu-ray.  There's just not a lot of demand for it out there.  Maybe this is a bit like the XP vs Vista thing, once you get a product that's good enough there's no reason to spend a lot of money to upgrade to use a more complicated system.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The industry only wins if people buy Blu-ray .
There 's just not a lot of demand for it out there .
Maybe this is a bit like the XP vs Vista thing , once you get a product that 's good enough there 's no reason to spend a lot of money to upgrade to use a more complicated system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The industry only wins if people buy Blu-ray.
There's just not a lot of demand for it out there.
Maybe this is a bit like the XP vs Vista thing, once you get a product that's good enough there's no reason to spend a lot of money to upgrade to use a more complicated system.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542247</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28546373</id>
	<title>Re:Piracy Wars and the Halting Problem...</title>
	<author>ehovland</author>
	<datestamp>1246475760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see how this is clever. It actually causes the users and the hackers to work more closely and their numbers will always win out. I bet this concept dies too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see how this is clever .
It actually causes the users and the hackers to work more closely and their numbers will always win out .
I bet this concept dies too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see how this is clever.
It actually causes the users and the hackers to work more closely and their numbers will always win out.
I bet this concept dies too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542333</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28550625</id>
	<title>Re:The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246446300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The haven't won.<br>First, they keep needing to make changes<br>Second, Blu-Ray is just beginning to take a wide active interest in cracking Blu-Ray.</p><p>A week after DVD dies, you will be able to gt high quality rips.<br>Worst case, you need to convince the Blu-Ray player that is playing to a TV when it is writing to a hard drive.</p><p>Can you view it? then it can be copied.</p><p>Of course, none of this solves there real piracy prooblem. i.e. bit by bit copy onto disk and just played. THAT"S where they lose money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The have n't won.First , they keep needing to make changesSecond , Blu-Ray is just beginning to take a wide active interest in cracking Blu-Ray.A week after DVD dies , you will be able to gt high quality rips.Worst case , you need to convince the Blu-Ray player that is playing to a TV when it is writing to a hard drive.Can you view it ?
then it can be copied.Of course , none of this solves there real piracy prooblem .
i.e. bit by bit copy onto disk and just played .
THAT " S where they lose money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The haven't won.First, they keep needing to make changesSecond, Blu-Ray is just beginning to take a wide active interest in cracking Blu-Ray.A week after DVD dies, you will be able to gt high quality rips.Worst case, you need to convince the Blu-Ray player that is playing to a TV when it is writing to a hard drive.Can you view it?
then it can be copied.Of course, none of this solves there real piracy prooblem.
i.e. bit by bit copy onto disk and just played.
THAT"S where they lose money.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542247</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541325</id>
	<title>The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>FredFredrickson</author>
	<datestamp>1246458300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's important to remember that a lot of people aren't yet focused on bluray. DVD ripping was a must have and many different open-source and closed-source programs popped up over the years because DVD had critical mass. As a previous ex-blu-ray-early-adapter, it may be that people just don't care about blu-ray the same way.. yet. I think if blu-ray ever catches on like DVD did, the story would be different.<br> <br>I stopped caring about blu-rays, they became too much hassle (and too expensive) for not enough of a quality boost. Maybe in the future when they really start to overtake DVDs (on price too) I'll reconsider. But at the moment, I highly doubt I'm the only one who has no more than one or two blu-ray movies and rented the rest. The big reason I'd have wanted to rip was to keep a digital copy of my collection. Since I don't even have a collection, that will hold off till I stop caring about DVDs.<br> <br>Blu-ray may yet die a horrible death..</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's important to remember that a lot of people are n't yet focused on bluray .
DVD ripping was a must have and many different open-source and closed-source programs popped up over the years because DVD had critical mass .
As a previous ex-blu-ray-early-adapter , it may be that people just do n't care about blu-ray the same way.. yet. I think if blu-ray ever catches on like DVD did , the story would be different .
I stopped caring about blu-rays , they became too much hassle ( and too expensive ) for not enough of a quality boost .
Maybe in the future when they really start to overtake DVDs ( on price too ) I 'll reconsider .
But at the moment , I highly doubt I 'm the only one who has no more than one or two blu-ray movies and rented the rest .
The big reason I 'd have wanted to rip was to keep a digital copy of my collection .
Since I do n't even have a collection , that will hold off till I stop caring about DVDs .
Blu-ray may yet die a horrible death. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's important to remember that a lot of people aren't yet focused on bluray.
DVD ripping was a must have and many different open-source and closed-source programs popped up over the years because DVD had critical mass.
As a previous ex-blu-ray-early-adapter, it may be that people just don't care about blu-ray the same way.. yet. I think if blu-ray ever catches on like DVD did, the story would be different.
I stopped caring about blu-rays, they became too much hassle (and too expensive) for not enough of a quality boost.
Maybe in the future when they really start to overtake DVDs (on price too) I'll reconsider.
But at the moment, I highly doubt I'm the only one who has no more than one or two blu-ray movies and rented the rest.
The big reason I'd have wanted to rip was to keep a digital copy of my collection.
Since I don't even have a collection, that will hold off till I stop caring about DVDs.
Blu-ray may yet die a horrible death..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28575245</id>
	<title>Will BD computer drives still play BD+ movies?</title>
	<author>guidryp</author>
	<datestamp>1246616640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was considering a BD drive for my HTPC. I was ready to go for that HD quality. But it sounds like this arms race will probably render it hopeless at playing movies.</p><p>Either it won't play the latest BD+ or I will have to pay regularly for upgrades to play new movies.</p><p>This kind of war is the kind that keeps legitimate customers on the side lines.</p><p>I am not buying into a new format until they address the anti user features.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was considering a BD drive for my HTPC .
I was ready to go for that HD quality .
But it sounds like this arms race will probably render it hopeless at playing movies.Either it wo n't play the latest BD + or I will have to pay regularly for upgrades to play new movies.This kind of war is the kind that keeps legitimate customers on the side lines.I am not buying into a new format until they address the anti user features .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was considering a BD drive for my HTPC.
I was ready to go for that HD quality.
But it sounds like this arms race will probably render it hopeless at playing movies.Either it won't play the latest BD+ or I will have to pay regularly for upgrades to play new movies.This kind of war is the kind that keeps legitimate customers on the side lines.I am not buying into a new format until they address the anti user features.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542163</id>
	<title>"Lawyers don't sue people; people sue people"</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1246462380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>ambulance-chasing trial lawyers</p></div><p>Wow.  Why the hostility toward trial lawyers?</p></div><p>I assume that "ambulance-chasing" refers to law firms who promote the idea of suing in general. The term connotes the use of controversial tactics to convince prospective clients that they have a dispute that is best settled in court.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>lawyers don't sue people.<br>
NON-lawyers sue each other.</p></div><p>Guns don't kill people; people who promote killing cause people to be killed. Likewise, lawyers don't sue people; law firms who promote suing cause people to be sued.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>ambulance-chasing trial lawyersWow .
Why the hostility toward trial lawyers ? I assume that " ambulance-chasing " refers to law firms who promote the idea of suing in general .
The term connotes the use of controversial tactics to convince prospective clients that they have a dispute that is best settled in court.lawyers do n't sue people .
NON-lawyers sue each other.Guns do n't kill people ; people who promote killing cause people to be killed .
Likewise , lawyers do n't sue people ; law firms who promote suing cause people to be sued .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ambulance-chasing trial lawyersWow.
Why the hostility toward trial lawyers?I assume that "ambulance-chasing" refers to law firms who promote the idea of suing in general.
The term connotes the use of controversial tactics to convince prospective clients that they have a dispute that is best settled in court.lawyers don't sue people.
NON-lawyers sue each other.Guns don't kill people; people who promote killing cause people to be killed.
Likewise, lawyers don't sue people; law firms who promote suing cause people to be sued.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541867</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541687</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246460280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dear sony, I have yet to buy a BD player precisely because of the stupid encryption scheme. I'm perfectly happy with DVDs on my 40' hdtv, and the only way i'm getting a BD player is by having a PS3 (which I'll use to play downloaded content). Take a clue from the music industry, fighting against your customers is a bad business plan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dear sony , I have yet to buy a BD player precisely because of the stupid encryption scheme .
I 'm perfectly happy with DVDs on my 40 ' hdtv , and the only way i 'm getting a BD player is by having a PS3 ( which I 'll use to play downloaded content ) .
Take a clue from the music industry , fighting against your customers is a bad business plan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dear sony, I have yet to buy a BD player precisely because of the stupid encryption scheme.
I'm perfectly happy with DVDs on my 40' hdtv, and the only way i'm getting a BD player is by having a PS3 (which I'll use to play downloaded content).
Take a clue from the music industry, fighting against your customers is a bad business plan.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541381</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542087</id>
	<title>Attack angle</title>
	<author>mseeger</author>
	<datestamp>1246462080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi,</p><p>my best guess is, that the attack angle will shift soon. Instead of decrypting the<br>content of the disk, there will be software/hardware to break the HDCP-protection.<br>It would be a lot more difficult close holes there, as thousands of devices are<br>already out (which cannot be modified but only blacklisted).</p><p>CU, Martin</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi,my best guess is , that the attack angle will shift soon .
Instead of decrypting thecontent of the disk , there will be software/hardware to break the HDCP-protection.It would be a lot more difficult close holes there , as thousands of devices arealready out ( which can not be modified but only blacklisted ) .CU , Martin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi,my best guess is, that the attack angle will shift soon.
Instead of decrypting thecontent of the disk, there will be software/hardware to break the HDCP-protection.It would be a lot more difficult close holes there, as thousands of devices arealready out (which cannot be modified but only blacklisted).CU, Martin</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543087</id>
	<title>Re:Any "bricked" players out there?</title>
	<author>dknight</author>
	<datestamp>1246466220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Samsung BD-P1000 (one of the earliest players)<br>I forget what disc it was, but I did have to update the firmware at one point to get it to play a movie.  It was much simpler than I expected.  That said, I do find the player frequently has issues reading newer discs (I will need to re-load the movie MANY times to get it to play - older discs dont have this problem)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Samsung BD-P1000 ( one of the earliest players ) I forget what disc it was , but I did have to update the firmware at one point to get it to play a movie .
It was much simpler than I expected .
That said , I do find the player frequently has issues reading newer discs ( I will need to re-load the movie MANY times to get it to play - older discs dont have this problem )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Samsung BD-P1000 (one of the earliest players)I forget what disc it was, but I did have to update the firmware at one point to get it to play a movie.
It was much simpler than I expected.
That said, I do find the player frequently has issues reading newer discs (I will need to re-load the movie MANY times to get it to play - older discs dont have this problem)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541947</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542835</id>
	<title>They're sort of \_acting\_ like it's a charity</title>
	<author>Sloppy</author>
	<datestamp>1246465320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How many of those people who are complaining about the encryption here even pay for their DVDs these days?</p></div></blockquote><p>I do.  <em>Every</em> movie I have, I paid for.</p><p>The catch is that I don't have HD.  When I get an HD TV, I'm going to start seeing HD television from OTA.  Then I'll <em>get used to it</em> and want to play HD <em>movies</em> in MythTV.  And that's where things go badly, because Blu-ray hasn't got their stuff <em>working</em> yet.  I can buy a Blu-Ray disc but if it isn't going to be playable, then I'm not going to bother.</p><p>For SD, buying DVDs is an option (it's illegal (DMCA) for me to play the movies, but nobody really cares and tries to stop me) and it's basically the easiest thing to do, so that's what I do.  For HD, piracy is the only game in town.</p><blockquote><div><p>Why can't people realise that movie companies aren't running a charity?</p></div></blockquote><p>I'll realize it when they try to sell me an HD product instead of telling me that if I want to watch an HD movie, I have to pirate it.  They've <em>got</em> to open for business if they want to be seen as a business.</p><p>Hollywood's luddite vision of everyone staying with SD is a joke; HD equipment is getting cheaper and cheaper and as people upgrade, they go looking for content.  If Hollywood doesn't get ready for that market soon (by releasing all the BD+ keys and lobbying to repeal DMCA, or releasing a new format that improves on Blu-ray by removing the DRM) then "charity" might not be the <em>most</em> accurate label, but it's what they'll be wearing.  If my choice is between buying SD DVDs or pirating HD files, I'm going to want to fill up those pixels, and if that saves me money too, well, that's just a bonus.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many of those people who are complaining about the encryption here even pay for their DVDs these days ? I do .
Every movie I have , I paid for.The catch is that I do n't have HD .
When I get an HD TV , I 'm going to start seeing HD television from OTA .
Then I 'll get used to it and want to play HD movies in MythTV .
And that 's where things go badly , because Blu-ray has n't got their stuff working yet .
I can buy a Blu-Ray disc but if it is n't going to be playable , then I 'm not going to bother.For SD , buying DVDs is an option ( it 's illegal ( DMCA ) for me to play the movies , but nobody really cares and tries to stop me ) and it 's basically the easiest thing to do , so that 's what I do .
For HD , piracy is the only game in town.Why ca n't people realise that movie companies are n't running a charity ? I 'll realize it when they try to sell me an HD product instead of telling me that if I want to watch an HD movie , I have to pirate it .
They 've got to open for business if they want to be seen as a business.Hollywood 's luddite vision of everyone staying with SD is a joke ; HD equipment is getting cheaper and cheaper and as people upgrade , they go looking for content .
If Hollywood does n't get ready for that market soon ( by releasing all the BD + keys and lobbying to repeal DMCA , or releasing a new format that improves on Blu-ray by removing the DRM ) then " charity " might not be the most accurate label , but it 's what they 'll be wearing .
If my choice is between buying SD DVDs or pirating HD files , I 'm going to want to fill up those pixels , and if that saves me money too , well , that 's just a bonus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many of those people who are complaining about the encryption here even pay for their DVDs these days?I do.
Every movie I have, I paid for.The catch is that I don't have HD.
When I get an HD TV, I'm going to start seeing HD television from OTA.
Then I'll get used to it and want to play HD movies in MythTV.
And that's where things go badly, because Blu-ray hasn't got their stuff working yet.
I can buy a Blu-Ray disc but if it isn't going to be playable, then I'm not going to bother.For SD, buying DVDs is an option (it's illegal (DMCA) for me to play the movies, but nobody really cares and tries to stop me) and it's basically the easiest thing to do, so that's what I do.
For HD, piracy is the only game in town.Why can't people realise that movie companies aren't running a charity?I'll realize it when they try to sell me an HD product instead of telling me that if I want to watch an HD movie, I have to pirate it.
They've got to open for business if they want to be seen as a business.Hollywood's luddite vision of everyone staying with SD is a joke; HD equipment is getting cheaper and cheaper and as people upgrade, they go looking for content.
If Hollywood doesn't get ready for that market soon (by releasing all the BD+ keys and lobbying to repeal DMCA, or releasing a new format that improves on Blu-ray by removing the DRM) then "charity" might not be the most accurate label, but it's what they'll be wearing.
If my choice is between buying SD DVDs or pirating HD files, I'm going to want to fill up those pixels, and if that saves me money too, well, that's just a bonus.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541689</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28547065</id>
	<title>Re:DONT BOTHER RIPPING</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246478040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How do you suppose all that great 1080p content is getting online to begin with?  Right, ripping Bluray.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you suppose all that great 1080p content is getting online to begin with ?
Right , ripping Bluray .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you suppose all that great 1080p content is getting online to begin with?
Right, ripping Bluray.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28546645</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28544717</id>
	<title>Re:Yup</title>
	<author>qmaqdk</author>
	<datestamp>1246470960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have a Blu-ray player and HDTV.</p><p>I still buy DVDs, even when the Blu-ray disc is available, because Blu-ray isn't enough of a quality upgrade (compared to a DVD player with a good upscaler) to be worth the functionality loss.</p></div><p>I think you need a new pair of glasses (or a larger screen).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Blu-ray player and HDTV.I still buy DVDs , even when the Blu-ray disc is available , because Blu-ray is n't enough of a quality upgrade ( compared to a DVD player with a good upscaler ) to be worth the functionality loss.I think you need a new pair of glasses ( or a larger screen ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Blu-ray player and HDTV.I still buy DVDs, even when the Blu-ray disc is available, because Blu-ray isn't enough of a quality upgrade (compared to a DVD player with a good upscaler) to be worth the functionality loss.I think you need a new pair of glasses (or a larger screen).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542169</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541845</id>
	<title>Re:I win against blue ray every day</title>
	<author>bhtooefr</author>
	<datestamp>1246461120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you don't mind buying your players and discs from China, there's always CBHD...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't mind buying your players and discs from China , there 's always CBHD.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't mind buying your players and discs from China, there's always CBHD...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541767</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543789</id>
	<title>Re:Any "bricked" players out there?</title>
	<author>IamTheRealMike</author>
	<datestamp>1246468320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Bear in mind that if it's just a firmware upgrade, the BluRay disc can ship the upgrade on it and then require the player to update itself before it'll play. So no big deal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bear in mind that if it 's just a firmware upgrade , the BluRay disc can ship the upgrade on it and then require the player to update itself before it 'll play .
So no big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bear in mind that if it's just a firmware upgrade, the BluRay disc can ship the upgrade on it and then require the player to update itself before it'll play.
So no big deal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541947</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28556455</id>
	<title>Re:Care?</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1246543020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iPods never required DRM files. iTunes solds DRM-free tracks for some time now. Oh, and some number of DVDs is also DRM-free...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iPods never required DRM files .
iTunes solds DRM-free tracks for some time now .
Oh , and some number of DVDs is also DRM-free.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPods never required DRM files.
iTunes solds DRM-free tracks for some time now.
Oh, and some number of DVDs is also DRM-free...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541657</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28545147</id>
	<title>Re:It's not a charity</title>
	<author>spitzak</author>
	<datestamp>1246472220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I own hundreds of DVDs and also rent them from Netflix. I have NEVER watched a downloaded DVD and in fact I'm not even sure if I could set up a bittorrent client, I never tried, and I don't have any idea how you would look for real DVD copies.</p><p>You are seriously mistaken if you think the reason we are complaining is because we want free copies. In fact copy protection is probably the main reason I am not buying more. Until we searched and bought a region-free DVD player I had to play some of the European DVDs, purchased at great expense in France, on a Linux laptop because only it would ignore the region, and some of them did not work or at least the menus did not.</p><p>Once we broke some of the copy protection (the region encoding) we feel confident about buying full-price English and French PAL disks rather than pirated copies on the street. Before it was not worth the risk that the disk would not work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I own hundreds of DVDs and also rent them from Netflix .
I have NEVER watched a downloaded DVD and in fact I 'm not even sure if I could set up a bittorrent client , I never tried , and I do n't have any idea how you would look for real DVD copies.You are seriously mistaken if you think the reason we are complaining is because we want free copies .
In fact copy protection is probably the main reason I am not buying more .
Until we searched and bought a region-free DVD player I had to play some of the European DVDs , purchased at great expense in France , on a Linux laptop because only it would ignore the region , and some of them did not work or at least the menus did not.Once we broke some of the copy protection ( the region encoding ) we feel confident about buying full-price English and French PAL disks rather than pirated copies on the street .
Before it was not worth the risk that the disk would not work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I own hundreds of DVDs and also rent them from Netflix.
I have NEVER watched a downloaded DVD and in fact I'm not even sure if I could set up a bittorrent client, I never tried, and I don't have any idea how you would look for real DVD copies.You are seriously mistaken if you think the reason we are complaining is because we want free copies.
In fact copy protection is probably the main reason I am not buying more.
Until we searched and bought a region-free DVD player I had to play some of the European DVDs, purchased at great expense in France, on a Linux laptop because only it would ignore the region, and some of them did not work or at least the menus did not.Once we broke some of the copy protection (the region encoding) we feel confident about buying full-price English and French PAL disks rather than pirated copies on the street.
Before it was not worth the risk that the disk would not work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542759</id>
	<title>Re:give it some time...</title>
	<author>IamTheRealMike</author>
	<datestamp>1246464960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>BD+ can hash arbitrary sections of player memory. This is a key problem for anybody wanting to build an "emulation" - you have no choice but to ship a complete firmware image with your alternative implementation. At that point you're committing good old fashioned copyright violation, not a DMCA violation. No problem for the pirates, but it is a problem for the company that actually develops and maintains the solution. It's also a problem for open source distributors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>BD + can hash arbitrary sections of player memory .
This is a key problem for anybody wanting to build an " emulation " - you have no choice but to ship a complete firmware image with your alternative implementation .
At that point you 're committing good old fashioned copyright violation , not a DMCA violation .
No problem for the pirates , but it is a problem for the company that actually develops and maintains the solution .
It 's also a problem for open source distributors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BD+ can hash arbitrary sections of player memory.
This is a key problem for anybody wanting to build an "emulation" - you have no choice but to ship a complete firmware image with your alternative implementation.
At that point you're committing good old fashioned copyright violation, not a DMCA violation.
No problem for the pirates, but it is a problem for the company that actually develops and maintains the solution.
It's also a problem for open source distributors.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541783</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541625</id>
	<title>Re:Here's the real question</title>
	<author>afidel</author>
	<datestamp>1246459860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>More to the point, enjoy the movie in an hour or two or watch it tomorrow in HD? That's really the question for me, and 99/100 times it's watch it in an hour or two. If I really like a title and think I'll want to watch it a bunch it's probably worth DL'ing the BD rip in the background if it's a visually stunning movie, otherwise why bother? I can't wait till someone like Netflix can offer the same decisions for a reasonable fee, I don't mind paying for good content but it really needs to be on the customers terms.</htmltext>
<tokenext>More to the point , enjoy the movie in an hour or two or watch it tomorrow in HD ?
That 's really the question for me , and 99/100 times it 's watch it in an hour or two .
If I really like a title and think I 'll want to watch it a bunch it 's probably worth DL'ing the BD rip in the background if it 's a visually stunning movie , otherwise why bother ?
I ca n't wait till someone like Netflix can offer the same decisions for a reasonable fee , I do n't mind paying for good content but it really needs to be on the customers terms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More to the point, enjoy the movie in an hour or two or watch it tomorrow in HD?
That's really the question for me, and 99/100 times it's watch it in an hour or two.
If I really like a title and think I'll want to watch it a bunch it's probably worth DL'ing the BD rip in the background if it's a visually stunning movie, otherwise why bother?
I can't wait till someone like Netflix can offer the same decisions for a reasonable fee, I don't mind paying for good content but it really needs to be on the customers terms.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28555919</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-Ray was dead before it started</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246538640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>
2) Quality - VHS degraded over time and DVD had a much better resolution. Blu-Ray is supposedly better only if the original source was better than DVD. A lot of small studios don't have 1080p camera's, a lot of consumers don't have 1080p TV's. 720p or 1080i is the current budget format and <strong>unless you're going larger than 42" it's not really noticeable.</strong>
</p></div><p>BS.  <br> <br>
Tell that to everyone here at Slashdot who has a 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 monitor (22"/24"+).  There is definitely a difference.  All you need to do to "see 1080p" is sit at the correct viewing distance for your screen size.  I watch Blu-rays on my monitor and they look a hell of a lot better than on my SDTV.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 ) Quality - VHS degraded over time and DVD had a much better resolution .
Blu-Ray is supposedly better only if the original source was better than DVD .
A lot of small studios do n't have 1080p camera 's , a lot of consumers do n't have 1080p TV 's .
720p or 1080i is the current budget format and unless you 're going larger than 42 " it 's not really noticeable .
BS . Tell that to everyone here at Slashdot who has a 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 monitor ( 22 " /24 " + ) .
There is definitely a difference .
All you need to do to " see 1080p " is sit at the correct viewing distance for your screen size .
I watch Blu-rays on my monitor and they look a hell of a lot better than on my SDTV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
2) Quality - VHS degraded over time and DVD had a much better resolution.
Blu-Ray is supposedly better only if the original source was better than DVD.
A lot of small studios don't have 1080p camera's, a lot of consumers don't have 1080p TV's.
720p or 1080i is the current budget format and unless you're going larger than 42" it's not really noticeable.
BS.   
Tell that to everyone here at Slashdot who has a 1920x1080 or 1920x1200 monitor (22"/24"+).
There is definitely a difference.
All you need to do to "see 1080p" is sit at the correct viewing distance for your screen size.
I watch Blu-rays on my monitor and they look a hell of a lot better than on my SDTV.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542407</id>
	<title>Silly BLU-Ray and your silly child's disks</title>
	<author>AtomicDevice</author>
	<datestamp>1246463460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>30Gb can't possibly deliver the definition I require for my 90,000p 200' television.  That's why I use LTO tapes exclusively for my video pleasure.</htmltext>
<tokenext>30Gb ca n't possibly deliver the definition I require for my 90,000p 200 ' television .
That 's why I use LTO tapes exclusively for my video pleasure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>30Gb can't possibly deliver the definition I require for my 90,000p 200' television.
That's why I use LTO tapes exclusively for my video pleasure.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541615</id>
	<title>I win against blue ray every day</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1246459740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I win against blue ray every day because I don't own a blu ray player and have never bought a blu ray disc. I recommend you do the same. Don't buy the discs then get pissed and try to sue. Vote with your feet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I win against blue ray every day because I do n't own a blu ray player and have never bought a blu ray disc .
I recommend you do the same .
Do n't buy the discs then get pissed and try to sue .
Vote with your feet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I win against blue ray every day because I don't own a blu ray player and have never bought a blu ray disc.
I recommend you do the same.
Don't buy the discs then get pissed and try to sue.
Vote with your feet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541381</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28565111</id>
	<title>Enough Already!</title>
	<author>metaforest</author>
	<datestamp>1246532280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems to me that going after the LVDS stream to the display panel would be a much easier method of a good rip that cannot be easily prevented.  Capturing the audio is trivial.  It's only a matter of time before these hardware hacks are implemented and kits are provided to mod 1080p panels to spit out a convenient signal to either record or dynamically re-encode.</p><p>Eventually HDCP will get hacked.</p><p>To paraphrase an old movie quote:  "The tighter Sony's grip, the more the system will slip through their fingers."</p><p>On the quality issue:</p><p>Sony lost the VTR wars because Beta did not bring enough improvement in quality to overcome the VHS Consortium's low-cost solution.   Sony has a long history of being head of the pack on creating new formats and then finding that the market just is not willing to go there in the long run because superior quality alone does not trump affordability, choice, and enhanced functionality.   VHS to DVD was a no-brainer for the consumer.<br>DVD to BD... not so much.</p><p>On voting with dollars:</p><p>I personally do not support the media on their IP war.   I refuse to purchase their products, and if eventually that means I have NO access, so be it.  It's not entertaining any more.</p><p>The media companies have made the value proposition untenable as far as I am concerned. I have simply taken my dollars to entertainment formats that do not have such thorny issues.   Should there come a time that there is a must watch movie, the secondary market avoids giving the IP wars any of my money to fuel their folly.</p><p>The only thing that will stop this senseless war is to take the money out of it.   Don't buy it, avoid using it, even on the secondary market.  Eventually they will sell us exactly what we  we want.  We just will need to be clear about what that is, and refuse to compromise.</p><p>If enough people can apply a little discipline to their entertainment funds, this IP war can be won very quickly.</p><p>If 50\% of the market were to participate in a boycott the media companies would probably capitulate in less than a year.</p><p>BD can support unencrypted media as easily as encrypted media.<br>Watermark it if you want to chase down criminal bootlegging. (commercial infringement) I don't mind having my copies serialized and traceable to me if that will help put this piracy nonsense to rest.   However, the encryption bullshit must stop.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems to me that going after the LVDS stream to the display panel would be a much easier method of a good rip that can not be easily prevented .
Capturing the audio is trivial .
It 's only a matter of time before these hardware hacks are implemented and kits are provided to mod 1080p panels to spit out a convenient signal to either record or dynamically re-encode.Eventually HDCP will get hacked.To paraphrase an old movie quote : " The tighter Sony 's grip , the more the system will slip through their fingers .
" On the quality issue : Sony lost the VTR wars because Beta did not bring enough improvement in quality to overcome the VHS Consortium 's low-cost solution .
Sony has a long history of being head of the pack on creating new formats and then finding that the market just is not willing to go there in the long run because superior quality alone does not trump affordability , choice , and enhanced functionality .
VHS to DVD was a no-brainer for the consumer.DVD to BD... not so much.On voting with dollars : I personally do not support the media on their IP war .
I refuse to purchase their products , and if eventually that means I have NO access , so be it .
It 's not entertaining any more.The media companies have made the value proposition untenable as far as I am concerned .
I have simply taken my dollars to entertainment formats that do not have such thorny issues .
Should there come a time that there is a must watch movie , the secondary market avoids giving the IP wars any of my money to fuel their folly.The only thing that will stop this senseless war is to take the money out of it .
Do n't buy it , avoid using it , even on the secondary market .
Eventually they will sell us exactly what we we want .
We just will need to be clear about what that is , and refuse to compromise.If enough people can apply a little discipline to their entertainment funds , this IP war can be won very quickly.If 50 \ % of the market were to participate in a boycott the media companies would probably capitulate in less than a year.BD can support unencrypted media as easily as encrypted media.Watermark it if you want to chase down criminal bootlegging .
( commercial infringement ) I do n't mind having my copies serialized and traceable to me if that will help put this piracy nonsense to rest .
However , the encryption bullshit must stop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems to me that going after the LVDS stream to the display panel would be a much easier method of a good rip that cannot be easily prevented.
Capturing the audio is trivial.
It's only a matter of time before these hardware hacks are implemented and kits are provided to mod 1080p panels to spit out a convenient signal to either record or dynamically re-encode.Eventually HDCP will get hacked.To paraphrase an old movie quote:  "The tighter Sony's grip, the more the system will slip through their fingers.
"On the quality issue:Sony lost the VTR wars because Beta did not bring enough improvement in quality to overcome the VHS Consortium's low-cost solution.
Sony has a long history of being head of the pack on creating new formats and then finding that the market just is not willing to go there in the long run because superior quality alone does not trump affordability, choice, and enhanced functionality.
VHS to DVD was a no-brainer for the consumer.DVD to BD... not so much.On voting with dollars:I personally do not support the media on their IP war.
I refuse to purchase their products, and if eventually that means I have NO access, so be it.
It's not entertaining any more.The media companies have made the value proposition untenable as far as I am concerned.
I have simply taken my dollars to entertainment formats that do not have such thorny issues.
Should there come a time that there is a must watch movie, the secondary market avoids giving the IP wars any of my money to fuel their folly.The only thing that will stop this senseless war is to take the money out of it.
Don't buy it, avoid using it, even on the secondary market.
Eventually they will sell us exactly what we  we want.
We just will need to be clear about what that is, and refuse to compromise.If enough people can apply a little discipline to their entertainment funds, this IP war can be won very quickly.If 50\% of the market were to participate in a boycott the media companies would probably capitulate in less than a year.BD can support unencrypted media as easily as encrypted media.Watermark it if you want to chase down criminal bootlegging.
(commercial infringement) I don't mind having my copies serialized and traceable to me if that will help put this piracy nonsense to rest.
However, the encryption bullshit must stop.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543667</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-Ray discs are not unrippable</title>
	<author>houstonbofh</author>
	<datestamp>1246467900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>neither side is able to consistently gain the upper hand</i> </p><p>That's an understatement.  Fair use is still grossly inconvenient and/or illegal, and copyright infringement is practically unhindered.  It looks to me like both sides are losing.</p></div><p>Quote of the century here.  When will they stop beating on there own customers while the pirates laugh at them?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>neither side is able to consistently gain the upper hand That 's an understatement .
Fair use is still grossly inconvenient and/or illegal , and copyright infringement is practically unhindered .
It looks to me like both sides are losing.Quote of the century here .
When will they stop beating on there own customers while the pirates laugh at them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> neither side is able to consistently gain the upper hand That's an understatement.
Fair use is still grossly inconvenient and/or illegal, and copyright infringement is practically unhindered.
It looks to me like both sides are losing.Quote of the century here.
When will they stop beating on there own customers while the pirates laugh at them?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28544275</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-Ray was dead before it started</title>
	<author>Nimey</author>
	<datestamp>1246469640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Great, so what are you planning on doing when the studios don't sell DVDs anymore and all their content is on Blu-Ray?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , so what are you planning on doing when the studios do n't sell DVDs anymore and all their content is on Blu-Ray ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, so what are you planning on doing when the studios don't sell DVDs anymore and all their content is on Blu-Ray?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542727</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541867</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>Absolut187</author>
	<datestamp>1246461240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>ambulance-chasing trial lawyers</p></div> </blockquote><p>Wow.  Why the hostility toward trial lawyers?</p><p><b>YOU</b> are the one talking about suing someone.</p><p>People love to blame lawyers for every legal woe, but lawyers don't sue people.<br>NON-lawyers sue each other.<br>The lawyers just represent them in court..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>ambulance-chasing trial lawyers Wow .
Why the hostility toward trial lawyers ? YOU are the one talking about suing someone.People love to blame lawyers for every legal woe , but lawyers do n't sue people.NON-lawyers sue each other.The lawyers just represent them in court. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ambulance-chasing trial lawyers Wow.
Why the hostility toward trial lawyers?YOU are the one talking about suing someone.People love to blame lawyers for every legal woe, but lawyers don't sue people.NON-lawyers sue each other.The lawyers just represent them in court..
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541381</id>
	<title>Dear Sony</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1246458540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't care about your little IP war. All I know is, the first time I pop a blu-ray disc into my $300 player and it refuses to play because of one of your new little one-upmanship encryption schemes, I'm going to be plenty pissed. And I bet there are any number of ambulance-chasing trial lawyers out there are who going to be looking to make some big money off some nice class action suits everytime one of your new schemes renders all our existing players obsolete too.
</p><p>
P.S. And no, "Well you may be able to get a firmware update from your player's manufacturer" doesn't cut it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care about your little IP war .
All I know is , the first time I pop a blu-ray disc into my $ 300 player and it refuses to play because of one of your new little one-upmanship encryption schemes , I 'm going to be plenty pissed .
And I bet there are any number of ambulance-chasing trial lawyers out there are who going to be looking to make some big money off some nice class action suits everytime one of your new schemes renders all our existing players obsolete too .
P.S. And no , " Well you may be able to get a firmware update from your player 's manufacturer " does n't cut it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't care about your little IP war.
All I know is, the first time I pop a blu-ray disc into my $300 player and it refuses to play because of one of your new little one-upmanship encryption schemes, I'm going to be plenty pissed.
And I bet there are any number of ambulance-chasing trial lawyers out there are who going to be looking to make some big money off some nice class action suits everytime one of your new schemes renders all our existing players obsolete too.
P.S. And no, "Well you may be able to get a firmware update from your player's manufacturer" doesn't cut it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28546489</id>
	<title>Re:The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1246476120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The result will be quite interesting, because they will see their usual initial BD release sell much less, than they had initial DVD sales. They will start whining!......<br>
But reality will still be, that people will get pissed off when they have to get another high price copy of a disc because their is damaged. Or piracy will skyrocket.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The result will be quite interesting , because they will see their usual initial BD release sell much less , than they had initial DVD sales .
They will start whining ! ..... .
But reality will still be , that people will get pissed off when they have to get another high price copy of a disc because their is damaged .
Or piracy will skyrocket .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The result will be quite interesting, because they will see their usual initial BD release sell much less, than they had initial DVD sales.
They will start whining!......
But reality will still be, that people will get pissed off when they have to get another high price copy of a disc because their is damaged.
Or piracy will skyrocket.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542247</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28558095</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>justthinkit</author>
	<datestamp>1246551240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or whirled peas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or whirled peas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or whirled peas.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541883</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543411</id>
	<title>Just implement the BD+ VM</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1246467180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BD+ runs on a VM (Java based IIRC) so just reverse engineer the thing and write a compatible VM. If the BD+ programming on a given disk balks at your VM because it detects its running in a VM, reverse engineer that BD+ program and find out how it works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BD + runs on a VM ( Java based IIRC ) so just reverse engineer the thing and write a compatible VM .
If the BD + programming on a given disk balks at your VM because it detects its running in a VM , reverse engineer that BD + program and find out how it works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BD+ runs on a VM (Java based IIRC) so just reverse engineer the thing and write a compatible VM.
If the BD+ programming on a given disk balks at your VM because it detects its running in a VM, reverse engineer that BD+ program and find out how it works.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542085</id>
	<title>So sad.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246462080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would love to decrypt all my BlueRay discs. Oh wait, I don't have any, because I DON'T BUY DRM!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would love to decrypt all my BlueRay discs .
Oh wait , I do n't have any , because I DO N'T BUY DRM !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would love to decrypt all my BlueRay discs.
Oh wait, I don't have any, because I DON'T BUY DRM!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28554041</id>
	<title>RecordMyDesktop</title>
	<author>nikanth</author>
	<datestamp>1246471680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just let it play and record your desktop at 1080p resolution<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just let it play and record your desktop at 1080p resolution ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just let it play and record your desktop at 1080p resolution ;-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28554723</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-Ray was dead before it started</title>
	<author>mrchaotica</author>
	<datestamp>1246565580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I, for one, will either download illegally or not watch. If the megalomaniacal studios want to murder home movie-watching, it's <em>their</em> fault, not mine!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I , for one , will either download illegally or not watch .
If the megalomaniacal studios want to murder home movie-watching , it 's their fault , not mine !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I, for one, will either download illegally or not watch.
If the megalomaniacal studios want to murder home movie-watching, it's their fault, not mine!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28544275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541503</id>
	<title>don't buy it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246459260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's clear that it certainly isn't a straightforward thing to buy a BluRay movie (quite legally) and "just play it" - say, in your Linux PC.  It's locked down as tight as they possibly can lock it down.</p><p>So, why would anyone buy something designed to be so restrictive to legit owners?  I say: don't buy, don't pirate, just ignore the damn thing entirely.  The only way the industry is ever going to change their draconian ways is if no one buys their crap.</p><p>You might say, "they'll just chalk it up to piracy!"  But if no one is pirating either, it hardly matters.  They will either go out of business entirely and a new thing will pop up to fill that market niche, or they will change their tune.  Either way, it is consumers who have the power *if we are wise enough to use it*.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's clear that it certainly is n't a straightforward thing to buy a BluRay movie ( quite legally ) and " just play it " - say , in your Linux PC .
It 's locked down as tight as they possibly can lock it down.So , why would anyone buy something designed to be so restrictive to legit owners ?
I say : do n't buy , do n't pirate , just ignore the damn thing entirely .
The only way the industry is ever going to change their draconian ways is if no one buys their crap.You might say , " they 'll just chalk it up to piracy !
" But if no one is pirating either , it hardly matters .
They will either go out of business entirely and a new thing will pop up to fill that market niche , or they will change their tune .
Either way , it is consumers who have the power * if we are wise enough to use it * .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's clear that it certainly isn't a straightforward thing to buy a BluRay movie (quite legally) and "just play it" - say, in your Linux PC.
It's locked down as tight as they possibly can lock it down.So, why would anyone buy something designed to be so restrictive to legit owners?
I say: don't buy, don't pirate, just ignore the damn thing entirely.
The only way the industry is ever going to change their draconian ways is if no one buys their crap.You might say, "they'll just chalk it up to piracy!
"  But if no one is pirating either, it hardly matters.
They will either go out of business entirely and a new thing will pop up to fill that market niche, or they will change their tune.
Either way, it is consumers who have the power *if we are wise enough to use it*.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28552857</id>
	<title>Re:Here's the real question</title>
	<author>detect</author>
	<datestamp>1246459380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>4-8gb Blu-ray RiP or 1-3gb DVD-RiP?</p><p>Fixed that for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>4-8gb Blu-ray RiP or 1-3gb DVD-RiP ? Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4-8gb Blu-ray RiP or 1-3gb DVD-RiP?Fixed that for you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541489</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28561583</id>
	<title>Re:It's not a charity</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1246563060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why can't people realise that movie companies aren't running a charity? Companies release films to make money! How many of those people who are complaining about the encryption here even pay for their DVDs these days? I'd love to place a wager on that!</p></div><p>I pay for DVDs, and I generally support copyright. However, I'm not going to use a format that requires an active internet connection just to play movies, and can lock me out at any time just because somewhere, someone has cracked the protection of the player that I use (or for any other reason, since they don't have to provide any explanation for revoking the keys).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't people realise that movie companies are n't running a charity ?
Companies release films to make money !
How many of those people who are complaining about the encryption here even pay for their DVDs these days ?
I 'd love to place a wager on that ! I pay for DVDs , and I generally support copyright .
However , I 'm not going to use a format that requires an active internet connection just to play movies , and can lock me out at any time just because somewhere , someone has cracked the protection of the player that I use ( or for any other reason , since they do n't have to provide any explanation for revoking the keys ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't people realise that movie companies aren't running a charity?
Companies release films to make money!
How many of those people who are complaining about the encryption here even pay for their DVDs these days?
I'd love to place a wager on that!I pay for DVDs, and I generally support copyright.
However, I'm not going to use a format that requires an active internet connection just to play movies, and can lock me out at any time just because somewhere, someone has cracked the protection of the player that I use (or for any other reason, since they don't have to provide any explanation for revoking the keys).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541689</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542169</id>
	<title>Yup</title>
	<author>metamatic</author>
	<datestamp>1246462380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Blu-ray player and HDTV.</p><p>I still buy DVDs, even when the Blu-ray disc is available, because Blu-ray isn't enough of a quality upgrade (compared to a DVD player with a good upscaler) to be worth the functionality loss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Blu-ray player and HDTV.I still buy DVDs , even when the Blu-ray disc is available , because Blu-ray is n't enough of a quality upgrade ( compared to a DVD player with a good upscaler ) to be worth the functionality loss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Blu-ray player and HDTV.I still buy DVDs, even when the Blu-ray disc is available, because Blu-ray isn't enough of a quality upgrade (compared to a DVD player with a good upscaler) to be worth the functionality loss.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28550315</id>
	<title>Re:Any "bricked" players out there?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246445040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I<br>cant read<br>what<br>you wrote<br>because you inserted<br>your<br>own linebreaks<br>like an<br>IDIOT<br>instead of<br>letting my<br>browser<br>do it's job<br>of reflowing<br>the<br>text.<br>not<br>everyone<br>is browsing<br>at the<br>same<br>resolution<br>Jackass!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Icant readwhatyou wrotebecause you insertedyourown linebreakslike anIDIOTinstead ofletting mybrowserdo it 's jobof reflowingthetext.noteveryoneis browsingat thesameresolutionJackass !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Icant readwhatyou wrotebecause you insertedyourown linebreakslike anIDIOTinstead ofletting mybrowserdo it's jobof reflowingthetext.noteveryoneis browsingat thesameresolutionJackass!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541947</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28551423</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>adolf</author>
	<datestamp>1246449960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>News flash:</i></p><p><i>Man buys computer, is shocked to learn that it is more complicated than a toaster.  His complaints fall upon deaf ears at Slashdot.</i></p><p>There's a good lot of folks around playing Blu-Ray movies just fine on PCs (please note: I'm not one of them[1]).  And the key to it is having decent drivers (perhaps the video drivers provided by HP are shit -- it's very common for OEM drivers to be absolute crap), along with HDCP-compatible hardware along the whole chain.</p><p>You say your video card supports HDMI, and another poster says the 9600 supports HDCP (I know my 9800GT does, which is damn near the same card).  But does your <i>monitor</i> support HDCP?</p><p>According to Wikipedia's article on HDMI, it may not:  "In the U.S., HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) support is a standard feature on digital TVs while in the PC industry it can depend on the specific model. The first computer monitors with HDCP support started being released in 2005 and by February 2006 a dozen different models had been released."</p><p>HDCP isn't anything terribly new, it's just new to PCs.  I had an old Sony 32" CRT TV with a DVI input which supported HDCP just fine, whereas only my most recent computer monitor (a 24" Asus LCD) supports HDCP.</p><p>[1]:  One of these days, I'm going to set up the PS3 with some manner of Linux, and see about setting up its Blu-Ray drive as an iSCSI target so I can see about playing Blu-Ray movies over the network.  One of these days...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>News flash : Man buys computer , is shocked to learn that it is more complicated than a toaster .
His complaints fall upon deaf ears at Slashdot.There 's a good lot of folks around playing Blu-Ray movies just fine on PCs ( please note : I 'm not one of them [ 1 ] ) .
And the key to it is having decent drivers ( perhaps the video drivers provided by HP are shit -- it 's very common for OEM drivers to be absolute crap ) , along with HDCP-compatible hardware along the whole chain.You say your video card supports HDMI , and another poster says the 9600 supports HDCP ( I know my 9800GT does , which is damn near the same card ) .
But does your monitor support HDCP ? According to Wikipedia 's article on HDMI , it may not : " In the U.S. , HDCP ( High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection ) support is a standard feature on digital TVs while in the PC industry it can depend on the specific model .
The first computer monitors with HDCP support started being released in 2005 and by February 2006 a dozen different models had been released .
" HDCP is n't anything terribly new , it 's just new to PCs .
I had an old Sony 32 " CRT TV with a DVI input which supported HDCP just fine , whereas only my most recent computer monitor ( a 24 " Asus LCD ) supports HDCP .
[ 1 ] : One of these days , I 'm going to set up the PS3 with some manner of Linux , and see about setting up its Blu-Ray drive as an iSCSI target so I can see about playing Blu-Ray movies over the network .
One of these days.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>News flash:Man buys computer, is shocked to learn that it is more complicated than a toaster.
His complaints fall upon deaf ears at Slashdot.There's a good lot of folks around playing Blu-Ray movies just fine on PCs (please note: I'm not one of them[1]).
And the key to it is having decent drivers (perhaps the video drivers provided by HP are shit -- it's very common for OEM drivers to be absolute crap), along with HDCP-compatible hardware along the whole chain.You say your video card supports HDMI, and another poster says the 9600 supports HDCP (I know my 9800GT does, which is damn near the same card).
But does your monitor support HDCP?According to Wikipedia's article on HDMI, it may not:  "In the U.S., HDCP (High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection) support is a standard feature on digital TVs while in the PC industry it can depend on the specific model.
The first computer monitors with HDCP support started being released in 2005 and by February 2006 a dozen different models had been released.
"HDCP isn't anything terribly new, it's just new to PCs.
I had an old Sony 32" CRT TV with a DVI input which supported HDCP just fine, whereas only my most recent computer monitor (a 24" Asus LCD) supports HDCP.
[1]:  One of these days, I'm going to set up the PS3 with some manner of Linux, and see about setting up its Blu-Ray drive as an iSCSI target so I can see about playing Blu-Ray movies over the network.
One of these days...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28545365</id>
	<title>Why I won't buy it</title>
	<author>sunfly</author>
	<datestamp>1246472820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Until it is trivial to rip to my media center I won't spend a dime on BluRay.  We also take great pride in owning the physical media for everything on our media center (nothing stolen).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Until it is trivial to rip to my media center I wo n't spend a dime on BluRay .
We also take great pride in owning the physical media for everything on our media center ( nothing stolen ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until it is trivial to rip to my media center I won't spend a dime on BluRay.
We also take great pride in owning the physical media for everything on our media center (nothing stolen).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28545167</id>
	<title>Incentive</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1246472280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As soon as Hollywood releases a bunch of geek-friendly movies "only on Blu-Ray", that'll be the end of the effectiveness of the DRM.</p><p>Right now it sort of looks like Blu-Ray is winning because it's an active battle.  But as I understand BD+, that battle can't go on forever.  Once the entire virtual machine has been figured out, it's all over for the protection side.  Furthermore, even if that isn't the case, each release is in itself a stationary target.  So each will be cracked eventually.  If Hollywood only cares about first-mover advantage, that won't bother them.  But I think they're too greedy for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As soon as Hollywood releases a bunch of geek-friendly movies " only on Blu-Ray " , that 'll be the end of the effectiveness of the DRM.Right now it sort of looks like Blu-Ray is winning because it 's an active battle .
But as I understand BD + , that battle ca n't go on forever .
Once the entire virtual machine has been figured out , it 's all over for the protection side .
Furthermore , even if that is n't the case , each release is in itself a stationary target .
So each will be cracked eventually .
If Hollywood only cares about first-mover advantage , that wo n't bother them .
But I think they 're too greedy for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As soon as Hollywood releases a bunch of geek-friendly movies "only on Blu-Ray", that'll be the end of the effectiveness of the DRM.Right now it sort of looks like Blu-Ray is winning because it's an active battle.
But as I understand BD+, that battle can't go on forever.
Once the entire virtual machine has been figured out, it's all over for the protection side.
Furthermore, even if that isn't the case, each release is in itself a stationary target.
So each will be cracked eventually.
If Hollywood only cares about first-mover advantage, that won't bother them.
But I think they're too greedy for that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28550215</id>
	<title>Re:To paraphrase Tyler Durden...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246444620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ironic that it's a movie quote.</p><p>it is also a baseless rambling.</p><p>and what they fuck does this mean:<br>"We're the middle children of history, man. "</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ironic that it 's a movie quote.it is also a baseless rambling.and what they fuck does this mean : " We 're the middle children of history , man .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ironic that it's a movie quote.it is also a baseless rambling.and what they fuck does this mean:"We're the middle children of history, man.
"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543155</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542405</id>
	<title>Re:The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>houstonbofh</author>
	<datestamp>1246463460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When DVD came out it offered a quality boost, but also a convenience boost.  VHS had no chapters, and fast forward stunk.  One huge benefit was being able to skip around.  Where is that kind of new benefit with Blue Ray?</htmltext>
<tokenext>When DVD came out it offered a quality boost , but also a convenience boost .
VHS had no chapters , and fast forward stunk .
One huge benefit was being able to skip around .
Where is that kind of new benefit with Blue Ray ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When DVD came out it offered a quality boost, but also a convenience boost.
VHS had no chapters, and fast forward stunk.
One huge benefit was being able to skip around.
Where is that kind of new benefit with Blue Ray?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28552419</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-ray?</title>
	<author>CronoCloud</author>
	<datestamp>1246455900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Blu-Ray isn't a Sony only format, it's a consortium format, like CD and DVD are.  Sony just sells one of the better and most useful players from a price/features/performance standpoint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blu-Ray is n't a Sony only format , it 's a consortium format , like CD and DVD are .
Sony just sells one of the better and most useful players from a price/features/performance standpoint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blu-Ray isn't a Sony only format, it's a consortium format, like CD and DVD are.
Sony just sells one of the better and most useful players from a price/features/performance standpoint.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541533</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542431</id>
	<title>popularity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246463520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>perhaps its more that HD-DVD is STILL outselling Blu-ray (even though it was discontinued)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>perhaps its more that HD-DVD is STILL outselling Blu-ray ( even though it was discontinued ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>perhaps its more that HD-DVD is STILL outselling Blu-ray (even though it was discontinued)?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28552153</id>
	<title>Re:The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246454040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I very much doubt this.  If DVD dies or is executed like you say, there will be a lot of incentive to break blu-ray's encryption.  The even bigger problem for the content industry is that people want to be able to watch the video content on the discs they buy.  This means that, at some point, that content must be decoded into a format that can be viewed.  Once that's done, it's trivial to convert that material into the video format of your choice.</p><p>No, the genie is out and there is no putting it back in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I very much doubt this .
If DVD dies or is executed like you say , there will be a lot of incentive to break blu-ray 's encryption .
The even bigger problem for the content industry is that people want to be able to watch the video content on the discs they buy .
This means that , at some point , that content must be decoded into a format that can be viewed .
Once that 's done , it 's trivial to convert that material into the video format of your choice.No , the genie is out and there is no putting it back in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I very much doubt this.
If DVD dies or is executed like you say, there will be a lot of incentive to break blu-ray's encryption.
The even bigger problem for the content industry is that people want to be able to watch the video content on the discs they buy.
This means that, at some point, that content must be decoded into a format that can be viewed.
Once that's done, it's trivial to convert that material into the video format of your choice.No, the genie is out and there is no putting it back in.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542247</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28544791</id>
	<title>Re:Here's the real question</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1246471200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If rips and reencodes were apples and oranges, guess what you're comparing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If rips and reencodes were apples and oranges , guess what you 're comparing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If rips and reencodes were apples and oranges, guess what you're comparing?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541489</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542247</id>
	<title>Re:The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1246462740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's important to remember that a lot of people aren't yet focused on bluray.</p></div></blockquote><p>DVD Jon and Co. cracked CSS in 1999, long before DVD hit its stride. The reality is that CSS was vastly easier to circumvent, virtually trivial, compared to the protections on HD media. AES encryption is not something that can be broken in a few minutes by a cracking program. We're talking about a fundamentally difficult encryption method.</p><p>The main issue here is that the content industry has built Blu-Ray distribution around devices which do not trust their owners. This is the first concrete deployment of "trusted computing" type system, and the reality is that <i>it is working</i>. Despite the best efforts of hackers everywhere, Blu-Ray has not been cracked and most likely never will be.</p><p>The content industry has won this round, and will continue to win with ever more secure encryption and a legion of untrusting, internet connected players in peoples living rooms. The genie is back in the bottle. Once DVD dies, or is executed, the age of high quality movie rips will be behind us.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's important to remember that a lot of people are n't yet focused on bluray.DVD Jon and Co. cracked CSS in 1999 , long before DVD hit its stride .
The reality is that CSS was vastly easier to circumvent , virtually trivial , compared to the protections on HD media .
AES encryption is not something that can be broken in a few minutes by a cracking program .
We 're talking about a fundamentally difficult encryption method.The main issue here is that the content industry has built Blu-Ray distribution around devices which do not trust their owners .
This is the first concrete deployment of " trusted computing " type system , and the reality is that it is working .
Despite the best efforts of hackers everywhere , Blu-Ray has not been cracked and most likely never will be.The content industry has won this round , and will continue to win with ever more secure encryption and a legion of untrusting , internet connected players in peoples living rooms .
The genie is back in the bottle .
Once DVD dies , or is executed , the age of high quality movie rips will be behind us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's important to remember that a lot of people aren't yet focused on bluray.DVD Jon and Co. cracked CSS in 1999, long before DVD hit its stride.
The reality is that CSS was vastly easier to circumvent, virtually trivial, compared to the protections on HD media.
AES encryption is not something that can be broken in a few minutes by a cracking program.
We're talking about a fundamentally difficult encryption method.The main issue here is that the content industry has built Blu-Ray distribution around devices which do not trust their owners.
This is the first concrete deployment of "trusted computing" type system, and the reality is that it is working.
Despite the best efforts of hackers everywhere, Blu-Ray has not been cracked and most likely never will be.The content industry has won this round, and will continue to win with ever more secure encryption and a legion of untrusting, internet connected players in peoples living rooms.
The genie is back in the bottle.
Once DVD dies, or is executed, the age of high quality movie rips will be behind us.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541583</id>
	<title>Re:Here's the real question</title>
	<author>IamTheRealMike</author>
	<datestamp>1246459560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, exactly. I'd be surprised if BD+ really reduced piracy. I suspect most pirates will just grab the lower quality but still highly watchable DVD rips. I guess if BluRay penetration increases studios might start releasing the DVD copies months after the BluRay copies, but there'll always be a large contigent of people who just don't care about the quality increase. I think piracy is mostly about convenience after all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , exactly .
I 'd be surprised if BD + really reduced piracy .
I suspect most pirates will just grab the lower quality but still highly watchable DVD rips .
I guess if BluRay penetration increases studios might start releasing the DVD copies months after the BluRay copies , but there 'll always be a large contigent of people who just do n't care about the quality increase .
I think piracy is mostly about convenience after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, exactly.
I'd be surprised if BD+ really reduced piracy.
I suspect most pirates will just grab the lower quality but still highly watchable DVD rips.
I guess if BluRay penetration increases studios might start releasing the DVD copies months after the BluRay copies, but there'll always be a large contigent of people who just don't care about the quality increase.
I think piracy is mostly about convenience after all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543879</id>
	<title>Re:give it some time...</title>
	<author>complete loony</author>
	<datestamp>1246468620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sony are writing all the test cases one at a time, drip feeding the hackers with examples of how their VM implementation is flawed so they can fix it. It's like the ideal implementation of extreme programming<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony are writing all the test cases one at a time , drip feeding the hackers with examples of how their VM implementation is flawed so they can fix it .
It 's like the ideal implementation of extreme programming ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony are writing all the test cases one at a time, drip feeding the hackers with examples of how their VM implementation is flawed so they can fix it.
It's like the ideal implementation of extreme programming ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541865</id>
	<title>Re:Here's the real question</title>
	<author>acohen1</author>
	<datestamp>1246461240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are comparing apples to oranges. A compressed DVD format movie is typically 1.4GB but can be up to 8.5GB on disc, usually 4.5 for single layer though. Similarly a 1080P BD dump may start as large as 50GB but is usually compressed down to 8.5GB. 720P can easily be compressed to 4.5GB when scaled from BD source. So really the question is Uncompressed do I want 50GB or 8.5GB or compressed to I want 8.5GB or 1.4GB. The also standard def BD rips weighing in around 2GB that at least dont have de-interlacing noise.

Since I used to only download the dvd isos at 4.5GB getting a 1080P at 8.5 is really no big deal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are comparing apples to oranges .
A compressed DVD format movie is typically 1.4GB but can be up to 8.5GB on disc , usually 4.5 for single layer though .
Similarly a 1080P BD dump may start as large as 50GB but is usually compressed down to 8.5GB .
720P can easily be compressed to 4.5GB when scaled from BD source .
So really the question is Uncompressed do I want 50GB or 8.5GB or compressed to I want 8.5GB or 1.4GB .
The also standard def BD rips weighing in around 2GB that at least dont have de-interlacing noise .
Since I used to only download the dvd isos at 4.5GB getting a 1080P at 8.5 is really no big deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are comparing apples to oranges.
A compressed DVD format movie is typically 1.4GB but can be up to 8.5GB on disc, usually 4.5 for single layer though.
Similarly a 1080P BD dump may start as large as 50GB but is usually compressed down to 8.5GB.
720P can easily be compressed to 4.5GB when scaled from BD source.
So really the question is Uncompressed do I want 50GB or 8.5GB or compressed to I want 8.5GB or 1.4GB.
The also standard def BD rips weighing in around 2GB that at least dont have de-interlacing noise.
Since I used to only download the dvd isos at 4.5GB getting a 1080P at 8.5 is really no big deal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541783</id>
	<title>give it some time...</title>
	<author>rob13572468</author>
	<datestamp>1246460760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The arms race with BD+ mirrors exactly what happened with sattv hacking 10 years ago. The encryption starts out simple and uses a minimal implementation of the BD spec. Once that is compromised the ip holders inevitably move to the more complex implementation of the spec. Currently this involves uploading a code package with each new release that performs the decryption, blacklist checking, and ultimately a system integrity check (the latter makes sure that BD+ API has not been patched to allow unconditional decryption which is the method slysoft uses). With every release, the IP holder looks at how the system has been hacked and writes a specific code package to detect those changes. The end result of this game is that the system will become totally compromised as hackers will simply rebuild the entire BD+ VM and API in emulation and allow for patching outside of the VM implementation (e.g. the system will respond as a valid unhacked system to any checks via VM code packages but will still perform unconditional decryption) Once that happens its over for BD+ as the only possible countermeasure is to attack flaws in the emulator implementation and those are easily fixed.

Give it a year or so...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The arms race with BD + mirrors exactly what happened with sattv hacking 10 years ago .
The encryption starts out simple and uses a minimal implementation of the BD spec .
Once that is compromised the ip holders inevitably move to the more complex implementation of the spec .
Currently this involves uploading a code package with each new release that performs the decryption , blacklist checking , and ultimately a system integrity check ( the latter makes sure that BD + API has not been patched to allow unconditional decryption which is the method slysoft uses ) .
With every release , the IP holder looks at how the system has been hacked and writes a specific code package to detect those changes .
The end result of this game is that the system will become totally compromised as hackers will simply rebuild the entire BD + VM and API in emulation and allow for patching outside of the VM implementation ( e.g .
the system will respond as a valid unhacked system to any checks via VM code packages but will still perform unconditional decryption ) Once that happens its over for BD + as the only possible countermeasure is to attack flaws in the emulator implementation and those are easily fixed .
Give it a year or so.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The arms race with BD+ mirrors exactly what happened with sattv hacking 10 years ago.
The encryption starts out simple and uses a minimal implementation of the BD spec.
Once that is compromised the ip holders inevitably move to the more complex implementation of the spec.
Currently this involves uploading a code package with each new release that performs the decryption, blacklist checking, and ultimately a system integrity check (the latter makes sure that BD+ API has not been patched to allow unconditional decryption which is the method slysoft uses).
With every release, the IP holder looks at how the system has been hacked and writes a specific code package to detect those changes.
The end result of this game is that the system will become totally compromised as hackers will simply rebuild the entire BD+ VM and API in emulation and allow for patching outside of the VM implementation (e.g.
the system will respond as a valid unhacked system to any checks via VM code packages but will still perform unconditional decryption) Once that happens its over for BD+ as the only possible countermeasure is to attack flaws in the emulator implementation and those are easily fixed.
Give it a year or so...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28547597</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-Ray was dead before it started</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1246479960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually VHS stuck around for a long time because it was recordable.  Ie, a multi-use format.  DVD recorders still are pretty rare, and I think DVRs did more than DVDs to get rid of VHS.  DVD was better for the Blockbuster rental model, but VHS was better for convenience of recording, time shifting, home videos, etc.  Most homes with DVD players also had VHS recorders.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually VHS stuck around for a long time because it was recordable .
Ie , a multi-use format .
DVD recorders still are pretty rare , and I think DVRs did more than DVDs to get rid of VHS .
DVD was better for the Blockbuster rental model , but VHS was better for convenience of recording , time shifting , home videos , etc .
Most homes with DVD players also had VHS recorders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually VHS stuck around for a long time because it was recordable.
Ie, a multi-use format.
DVD recorders still are pretty rare, and I think DVRs did more than DVDs to get rid of VHS.
DVD was better for the Blockbuster rental model, but VHS was better for convenience of recording, time shifting, home videos, etc.
Most homes with DVD players also had VHS recorders.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28545007</id>
	<title>Re:Yup</title>
	<author>profplump</author>
	<datestamp>1246471860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got a 120" projection system that I used to think looked pretty good playing upscaled DVDs. Then I got a BD player, and I immediately wanted to replace all my old content -- it's so much better than even months later I'm still impressed when I switch from TV captures or DVDs to BD.

But most people don't have 120" screens, and at say a 12' viewing distance you probably can't see more than a few hundred lines of resolution on any screen under 50", so BD isn't a huge benefit even if you technically have a 1080p display -- on my 32" screen the DVD player is perfectly sufficient in terms of image quality, and testing on the screen with the BD player there was no appreciable increase in perceived quality from my regular viewing position.

I would still like to be able to rip BDs though, because I don't want to pay another $300 to watch BD on another monitor in the same house -- if I could rip them it wouldn't be necessary.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a 120 " projection system that I used to think looked pretty good playing upscaled DVDs .
Then I got a BD player , and I immediately wanted to replace all my old content -- it 's so much better than even months later I 'm still impressed when I switch from TV captures or DVDs to BD .
But most people do n't have 120 " screens , and at say a 12 ' viewing distance you probably ca n't see more than a few hundred lines of resolution on any screen under 50 " , so BD is n't a huge benefit even if you technically have a 1080p display -- on my 32 " screen the DVD player is perfectly sufficient in terms of image quality , and testing on the screen with the BD player there was no appreciable increase in perceived quality from my regular viewing position .
I would still like to be able to rip BDs though , because I do n't want to pay another $ 300 to watch BD on another monitor in the same house -- if I could rip them it would n't be necessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a 120" projection system that I used to think looked pretty good playing upscaled DVDs.
Then I got a BD player, and I immediately wanted to replace all my old content -- it's so much better than even months later I'm still impressed when I switch from TV captures or DVDs to BD.
But most people don't have 120" screens, and at say a 12' viewing distance you probably can't see more than a few hundred lines of resolution on any screen under 50", so BD isn't a huge benefit even if you technically have a 1080p display -- on my 32" screen the DVD player is perfectly sufficient in terms of image quality, and testing on the screen with the BD player there was no appreciable increase in perceived quality from my regular viewing position.
I would still like to be able to rip BDs though, because I don't want to pay another $300 to watch BD on another monitor in the same house -- if I could rip them it wouldn't be necessary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28557529</id>
	<title>Re:The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>thexile</author>
	<datestamp>1246548540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can get to see high-def cunts in porn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can get to see high-def cunts in porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can get to see high-def cunts in porn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541913</id>
	<title>Re:I win against blue ray every day</title>
	<author>thedonger</author>
	<datestamp>1246461420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Blu-ray seems more geared to the studios; their trailers, their encryption, etc.; than to the person actually BUYING the disc. It's like the studios invented blu-ray just to piss people off and turn them off to the whole idea of a HD video format.</p></div><p>They invented Blu-Ray to <em>fully</em> monetize the high-def video market, which includes all those things in the first sentence.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Blu-ray seems more geared to the studios ; their trailers , their encryption , etc .
; than to the person actually BUYING the disc .
It 's like the studios invented blu-ray just to piss people off and turn them off to the whole idea of a HD video format.They invented Blu-Ray to fully monetize the high-def video market , which includes all those things in the first sentence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blu-ray seems more geared to the studios; their trailers, their encryption, etc.
; than to the person actually BUYING the disc.
It's like the studios invented blu-ray just to piss people off and turn them off to the whole idea of a HD video format.They invented Blu-Ray to fully monetize the high-def video market, which includes all those things in the first sentence.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541777</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1246460760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>All I know is, the first time I pop a blu-ray disc into my $300 player and it refuses to play because of one of your new little one-upmanship encryption schemes, I'm going to be plenty pissed.</p></div><p>Amen brother. I recently bought a $1200 HP Pavillion with blu-ray player and gf9600, 4gb ram yadda yadda. What interested me the most was 500gb HDD, blu-ray player, and hdmi out...
<br> <br>
I <i>was</i> pissed off the very <b> <i>first</i> </b> time I played a blu-ray. You see, HDCP shut me down before I even got to the blu-ray menu. I am <i>still</i> very pissed off because nowhere on the box, or in the press kit; was a notification saying that although this computer has a blu-ray player <i>AND</i> HDMI out, that you will not be able to play a single blu-ray disc through that port. The best I get is upscaled DVDs, which I'm not surprised they haven't put BD+ on dvd's now to prevent me from doing even this.<br> <br>
I tried to purchase AnyDVD-HD but my Visa is declined for "109 Euros too high, authorization declined" which my bank has no idea what that means. I refuse to buy a PS3 for many reasons and I refuse to pay out another $200+ for a standalone player. I feel a bit duped by the movie studios into buying a blu-ray player that is only good on the small 17" screen built into my laptop, which does not handle 1080p<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All I know is , the first time I pop a blu-ray disc into my $ 300 player and it refuses to play because of one of your new little one-upmanship encryption schemes , I 'm going to be plenty pissed.Amen brother .
I recently bought a $ 1200 HP Pavillion with blu-ray player and gf9600 , 4gb ram yadda yadda .
What interested me the most was 500gb HDD , blu-ray player , and hdmi out.. . I was pissed off the very first time I played a blu-ray .
You see , HDCP shut me down before I even got to the blu-ray menu .
I am still very pissed off because nowhere on the box , or in the press kit ; was a notification saying that although this computer has a blu-ray player AND HDMI out , that you will not be able to play a single blu-ray disc through that port .
The best I get is upscaled DVDs , which I 'm not surprised they have n't put BD + on dvd 's now to prevent me from doing even this .
I tried to purchase AnyDVD-HD but my Visa is declined for " 109 Euros too high , authorization declined " which my bank has no idea what that means .
I refuse to buy a PS3 for many reasons and I refuse to pay out another $ 200 + for a standalone player .
I feel a bit duped by the movie studios into buying a blu-ray player that is only good on the small 17 " screen built into my laptop , which does not handle 1080p : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All I know is, the first time I pop a blu-ray disc into my $300 player and it refuses to play because of one of your new little one-upmanship encryption schemes, I'm going to be plenty pissed.Amen brother.
I recently bought a $1200 HP Pavillion with blu-ray player and gf9600, 4gb ram yadda yadda.
What interested me the most was 500gb HDD, blu-ray player, and hdmi out...
 
I was pissed off the very  first  time I played a blu-ray.
You see, HDCP shut me down before I even got to the blu-ray menu.
I am still very pissed off because nowhere on the box, or in the press kit; was a notification saying that although this computer has a blu-ray player AND HDMI out, that you will not be able to play a single blu-ray disc through that port.
The best I get is upscaled DVDs, which I'm not surprised they haven't put BD+ on dvd's now to prevent me from doing even this.
I tried to purchase AnyDVD-HD but my Visa is declined for "109 Euros too high, authorization declined" which my bank has no idea what that means.
I refuse to buy a PS3 for many reasons and I refuse to pay out another $200+ for a standalone player.
I feel a bit duped by the movie studios into buying a blu-ray player that is only good on the small 17" screen built into my laptop, which does not handle 1080p :(
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28550237</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-Ray was dead before it started</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246444740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's only a matter of time before someone release a BD+ update that breaks a bunch of players.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's only a matter of time before someone release a BD + update that breaks a bunch of players .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's only a matter of time before someone release a BD+ update that breaks a bunch of players.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28545531</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-Ray was dead before it started</title>
	<author>Jeremy Erwin</author>
	<datestamp>1246473300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DVDs only offer 480i resolution, and all  the artifacts of mpeg2. You can upscale and deinterlace it all you want, but it's still going to be inferior to a bluray image-- even one that's  been squeezed down into a 720p television.</p><p>Think about it-- a upconversion adds detail that isn't there. A downconversion discards detail that isn't required.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DVDs only offer 480i resolution , and all the artifacts of mpeg2 .
You can upscale and deinterlace it all you want , but it 's still going to be inferior to a bluray image-- even one that 's been squeezed down into a 720p television.Think about it-- a upconversion adds detail that is n't there .
A downconversion discards detail that is n't required .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DVDs only offer 480i resolution, and all  the artifacts of mpeg2.
You can upscale and deinterlace it all you want, but it's still going to be inferior to a bluray image-- even one that's  been squeezed down into a 720p television.Think about it-- a upconversion adds detail that isn't there.
A downconversion discards detail that isn't required.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28544625</id>
	<title>I'm surprised BD+  is not used more than it is</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1246470660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>BD+ is not uncrackable but it makes it very difficult to extract the disk's volume key because a machine is required to run a program to obtain it. BD+ programs can be model specific and involve memory or timing tests making it difficult to emulate. Slysoft has just been able to cope so far because relatively few disks used BD+ and did so in relatively unsophisticated form.

But if more studios come on board Slysoft is going to have severe trouble keeping up. This is ultimately what BD+ is meant to do - to delay and impede piracy (and fair use). The more disks that use it, the more cracks appear in the supported disk list. It's not inconceivable the big studios are planning a "big bang" where suddenly and in a coordinated fashion they all go BD+. Then it's lights out for AnyDVD. It will never recover from that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>BD + is not uncrackable but it makes it very difficult to extract the disk 's volume key because a machine is required to run a program to obtain it .
BD + programs can be model specific and involve memory or timing tests making it difficult to emulate .
Slysoft has just been able to cope so far because relatively few disks used BD + and did so in relatively unsophisticated form .
But if more studios come on board Slysoft is going to have severe trouble keeping up .
This is ultimately what BD + is meant to do - to delay and impede piracy ( and fair use ) .
The more disks that use it , the more cracks appear in the supported disk list .
It 's not inconceivable the big studios are planning a " big bang " where suddenly and in a coordinated fashion they all go BD + .
Then it 's lights out for AnyDVD .
It will never recover from that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BD+ is not uncrackable but it makes it very difficult to extract the disk's volume key because a machine is required to run a program to obtain it.
BD+ programs can be model specific and involve memory or timing tests making it difficult to emulate.
Slysoft has just been able to cope so far because relatively few disks used BD+ and did so in relatively unsophisticated form.
But if more studios come on board Slysoft is going to have severe trouble keeping up.
This is ultimately what BD+ is meant to do - to delay and impede piracy (and fair use).
The more disks that use it, the more cracks appear in the supported disk list.
It's not inconceivable the big studios are planning a "big bang" where suddenly and in a coordinated fashion they all go BD+.
Then it's lights out for AnyDVD.
It will never recover from that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542107</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>h4rm0ny</author>
	<datestamp>1246462140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>
"Lawyers don't sue people. People sue people."<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Lawyers do n't sue people .
People sue people .
" : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
"Lawyers don't sue people.
People sue people.
" :D</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541599</id>
	<title>No problem here.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246459680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People, like me, are completely uninterested in bluray movies atm. Why would I pay $200+ dollars to be able to rent a bluray if I can just use my existing dvd drive to play any movie I want with already satisfactory quality? Plus bluray is much more expensive compared to renting/buying dvds. Wake me up when bluray *burners* are  $50.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People , like me , are completely uninterested in bluray movies atm .
Why would I pay $ 200 + dollars to be able to rent a bluray if I can just use my existing dvd drive to play any movie I want with already satisfactory quality ?
Plus bluray is much more expensive compared to renting/buying dvds .
Wake me up when bluray * burners * are $ 50 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People, like me, are completely uninterested in bluray movies atm.
Why would I pay $200+ dollars to be able to rent a bluray if I can just use my existing dvd drive to play any movie I want with already satisfactory quality?
Plus bluray is much more expensive compared to renting/buying dvds.
Wake me up when bluray *burners* are  $50.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28548067</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246481160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It'll still be of no use as long as the chain of trust isn't completely secure on all systems that can play BDs. And that will never happen, yes it is more complicated to circumvent it, yes it is a completely new level but as long as some crappy Windows BD playback software has a bug in it's theme loader code (stupid example^^) it'll always be possible to circumvent the protection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 'll still be of no use as long as the chain of trust is n't completely secure on all systems that can play BDs .
And that will never happen , yes it is more complicated to circumvent it , yes it is a completely new level but as long as some crappy Windows BD playback software has a bug in it 's theme loader code ( stupid example ^ ^ ) it 'll always be possible to circumvent the protection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It'll still be of no use as long as the chain of trust isn't completely secure on all systems that can play BDs.
And that will never happen, yes it is more complicated to circumvent it, yes it is a completely new level but as long as some crappy Windows BD playback software has a bug in it's theme loader code (stupid example^^) it'll always be possible to circumvent the protection.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541883</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542207</id>
	<title>BR vs DVD</title>
	<author>bbroerman</author>
	<datestamp>1246462560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Again, one more reason for me NOT to upgrade to HD / BlueRay... There is no incentive for me.<br>
<br>
With 3 kids, I do not want to have to shell out THAT MUCH money when the scratch / break a disc. That's why my originals are NOT on the shelves. I also like having my homebrew HTPC... I can have my DVDs on hard drive, and watch/dvr my TV shows. I can't do that with HDTV or Blue Ray as effectively. Yes, I can get OTA ATSC, but that's what 4 channels out of the hundred or so I get now with Cable Ready and the hundreds I can get with a set top box connected to my DVR? With HDCP required, that blows that scheme out of the water. No homebrew DVR there... <br>
<br>
Again, I see no compelling reason to upgrade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Again , one more reason for me NOT to upgrade to HD / BlueRay... There is no incentive for me .
With 3 kids , I do not want to have to shell out THAT MUCH money when the scratch / break a disc .
That 's why my originals are NOT on the shelves .
I also like having my homebrew HTPC... I can have my DVDs on hard drive , and watch/dvr my TV shows .
I ca n't do that with HDTV or Blue Ray as effectively .
Yes , I can get OTA ATSC , but that 's what 4 channels out of the hundred or so I get now with Cable Ready and the hundreds I can get with a set top box connected to my DVR ?
With HDCP required , that blows that scheme out of the water .
No homebrew DVR there.. . Again , I see no compelling reason to upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Again, one more reason for me NOT to upgrade to HD / BlueRay... There is no incentive for me.
With 3 kids, I do not want to have to shell out THAT MUCH money when the scratch / break a disc.
That's why my originals are NOT on the shelves.
I also like having my homebrew HTPC... I can have my DVDs on hard drive, and watch/dvr my TV shows.
I can't do that with HDTV or Blue Ray as effectively.
Yes, I can get OTA ATSC, but that's what 4 channels out of the hundred or so I get now with Cable Ready and the hundreds I can get with a set top box connected to my DVR?
With HDCP required, that blows that scheme out of the water.
No homebrew DVR there... 

Again, I see no compelling reason to upgrade.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541767</id>
	<title>Re:I win against blue ray every day</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1246460700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sadly, if you want HD content (and not that overcompressed downloaded crap), blu-ray is the only choice now. It's a shame too. I have an HD-DVD player which loads discs and performs MUCH faster than any blu-ray player I've ever had. And the HD-DVD format had a lot cheaper prices for discs, more lax region coding, didn't make unskippable opening trailers a seeming prerequsite for the format (seriously, every single blu-ray I buy seems to have these annoying things), and was generally WAY more consumer friendly. Blu-ray seems more geared to the studios; their trailers, their encryption, etc.; than to the person actually BUYING the disc. It's like the studios invented blu-ray just to piss people off and turn them off to the whole idea of a HD video format.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sadly , if you want HD content ( and not that overcompressed downloaded crap ) , blu-ray is the only choice now .
It 's a shame too .
I have an HD-DVD player which loads discs and performs MUCH faster than any blu-ray player I 've ever had .
And the HD-DVD format had a lot cheaper prices for discs , more lax region coding , did n't make unskippable opening trailers a seeming prerequsite for the format ( seriously , every single blu-ray I buy seems to have these annoying things ) , and was generally WAY more consumer friendly .
Blu-ray seems more geared to the studios ; their trailers , their encryption , etc .
; than to the person actually BUYING the disc .
It 's like the studios invented blu-ray just to piss people off and turn them off to the whole idea of a HD video format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sadly, if you want HD content (and not that overcompressed downloaded crap), blu-ray is the only choice now.
It's a shame too.
I have an HD-DVD player which loads discs and performs MUCH faster than any blu-ray player I've ever had.
And the HD-DVD format had a lot cheaper prices for discs, more lax region coding, didn't make unskippable opening trailers a seeming prerequsite for the format (seriously, every single blu-ray I buy seems to have these annoying things), and was generally WAY more consumer friendly.
Blu-ray seems more geared to the studios; their trailers, their encryption, etc.
; than to the person actually BUYING the disc.
It's like the studios invented blu-ray just to piss people off and turn them off to the whole idea of a HD video format.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541615</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542033</id>
	<title>Wrong professionals</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1246461960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>one thing seems clear &#226;" only full-time, for-profit professionals are able to consistently beat BD+.</p></div><p>In this case, the "professionals" (hah!) would be the knuckledraggers at Sony who approved this fiasco.  They beat BD+ so thoroughly that I have no desire to go anywhere near it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>one thing seems clear   " only full-time , for-profit professionals are able to consistently beat BD + .In this case , the " professionals " ( hah !
) would be the knuckledraggers at Sony who approved this fiasco .
They beat BD + so thoroughly that I have no desire to go anywhere near it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>one thing seems clear â" only full-time, for-profit professionals are able to consistently beat BD+.In this case, the "professionals" (hah!
) would be the knuckledraggers at Sony who approved this fiasco.
They beat BD+ so thoroughly that I have no desire to go anywhere near it.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28549961</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>k10quaint</author>
	<datestamp>1246443660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>BD+ is the same old "distribute the key/hide the algorithm" style of DRM. The key is the VM or "fingerprint" of the player, the algorithm is the execution code on the blu-ray disc. The disc asks the player questions, and checks the answers against a scorecard. If the Blu-Ray player can play the disc, a computer program that emulates the player can play it as well. Then the next release of Blu-Ray discs disallow that player's fingerprint or VM. So you either update the fingerprint, or pick a new VM (preferably the best selling Sony Blu-Ray player) to emulate. Rinse, repeat.
<br> <br>
The only difference I see between this scheme and the one for games on the commodore 64 is the size and complexity of  the key.</htmltext>
<tokenext>BD + is the same old " distribute the key/hide the algorithm " style of DRM .
The key is the VM or " fingerprint " of the player , the algorithm is the execution code on the blu-ray disc .
The disc asks the player questions , and checks the answers against a scorecard .
If the Blu-Ray player can play the disc , a computer program that emulates the player can play it as well .
Then the next release of Blu-Ray discs disallow that player 's fingerprint or VM .
So you either update the fingerprint , or pick a new VM ( preferably the best selling Sony Blu-Ray player ) to emulate .
Rinse , repeat .
The only difference I see between this scheme and the one for games on the commodore 64 is the size and complexity of the key .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BD+ is the same old "distribute the key/hide the algorithm" style of DRM.
The key is the VM or "fingerprint" of the player, the algorithm is the execution code on the blu-ray disc.
The disc asks the player questions, and checks the answers against a scorecard.
If the Blu-Ray player can play the disc, a computer program that emulates the player can play it as well.
Then the next release of Blu-Ray discs disallow that player's fingerprint or VM.
So you either update the fingerprint, or pick a new VM (preferably the best selling Sony Blu-Ray player) to emulate.
Rinse, repeat.
The only difference I see between this scheme and the one for games on the commodore 64 is the size and complexity of  the key.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541883</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541533</id>
	<title>Blu-ray?</title>
	<author>Fnord666</author>
	<datestamp>1246459380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is blu-ray still around?  I thought it had gone the way that all the proprietary Sony formats had gone before.  That is, it had faded into obscurity from disinterest. Let me know when players are less than $100 and discs are under $15.  Meanwhile I will continue to use my HD-DVD player, which was purchased for $50 and for which I bought season one of Heroes yesterday for $9.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is blu-ray still around ?
I thought it had gone the way that all the proprietary Sony formats had gone before .
That is , it had faded into obscurity from disinterest .
Let me know when players are less than $ 100 and discs are under $ 15 .
Meanwhile I will continue to use my HD-DVD player , which was purchased for $ 50 and for which I bought season one of Heroes yesterday for $ 9 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is blu-ray still around?
I thought it had gone the way that all the proprietary Sony formats had gone before.
That is, it had faded into obscurity from disinterest.
Let me know when players are less than $100 and discs are under $15.
Meanwhile I will continue to use my HD-DVD player, which was purchased for $50 and for which I bought season one of Heroes yesterday for $9.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28546645</id>
	<title>DONT BOTHER RIPPING</title>
	<author>Latinhypercube</author>
	<datestamp>1246476600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>BluRay is ALREADY OBSOLETE. Yes it's a bitch to rip. But who cares. Media is all online and streaming now. Broadcasts are in HD 1080p. There are SOO MANY OTHER WAYS to get the same content. ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT YOU CAN HAVE A 4GB HD MOVIE THAT LOOKS THE SAME AS A 30GB BLURAY. All this 1080p content is becoming available as torrents, just download as normal (hint searching for mkv files may help).</htmltext>
<tokenext>BluRay is ALREADY OBSOLETE .
Yes it 's a bitch to rip .
But who cares .
Media is all online and streaming now .
Broadcasts are in HD 1080p .
There are SOO MANY OTHER WAYS to get the same content .
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT YOU CAN HAVE A 4GB HD MOVIE THAT LOOKS THE SAME AS A 30GB BLURAY .
All this 1080p content is becoming available as torrents , just download as normal ( hint searching for mkv files may help ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BluRay is ALREADY OBSOLETE.
Yes it's a bitch to rip.
But who cares.
Media is all online and streaming now.
Broadcasts are in HD 1080p.
There are SOO MANY OTHER WAYS to get the same content.
ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU REALIZE THAT YOU CAN HAVE A 4GB HD MOVIE THAT LOOKS THE SAME AS A 30GB BLURAY.
All this 1080p content is becoming available as torrents, just download as normal (hint searching for mkv files may help).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28558933</id>
	<title>Decent TrueHD Playback</title>
	<author>\_32nHz</author>
	<datestamp>1246554840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lets focus less on the 16 disks we can't yet rip, and a bit more on the thousands of discs that rip fine, but then have difficulty playing back (particularly TrueHD audio).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets focus less on the 16 disks we ca n't yet rip , and a bit more on the thousands of discs that rip fine , but then have difficulty playing back ( particularly TrueHD audio ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets focus less on the 16 disks we can't yet rip, and a bit more on the thousands of discs that rip fine, but then have difficulty playing back (particularly TrueHD audio).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28550183</id>
	<title>haha</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246444500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah. So they are spending more and more money creating new 'protection schemes' to prevent piracy? they same type of piracy that cost's them almost nothing?</p><p>Meanwhile the high dollar pirates, the onse that just make bit by bit copies and restamp them, still go unchecked? Way to go.</p><p>Also, if the movies cannot be decrypted, then they can't be PLAYED.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
So they are spending more and more money creating new 'protection schemes ' to prevent piracy ?
they same type of piracy that cost 's them almost nothing ? Meanwhile the high dollar pirates , the onse that just make bit by bit copies and restamp them , still go unchecked ?
Way to go.Also , if the movies can not be decrypted , then they ca n't be PLAYED .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
So they are spending more and more money creating new 'protection schemes' to prevent piracy?
they same type of piracy that cost's them almost nothing?Meanwhile the high dollar pirates, the onse that just make bit by bit copies and restamp them, still go unchecked?
Way to go.Also, if the movies cannot be decrypted, then they can't be PLAYED.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28547853</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1246480620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you sure your external screen is HDCP compliant?</p><p>Have you bothered calling Hp about this? The geforce 9600 is HDCP compatible. <a href="http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/hp-pavilion-slimline-s3330f/4864-3118\_7-32814503-4.html" title="cnet.com">According to this its a bug</a> [cnet.com], not an HDCP issue.  Who knows maybe they have a fix for this already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you sure your external screen is HDCP compliant ? Have you bothered calling Hp about this ?
The geforce 9600 is HDCP compatible .
According to this its a bug [ cnet.com ] , not an HDCP issue .
Who knows maybe they have a fix for this already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you sure your external screen is HDCP compliant?Have you bothered calling Hp about this?
The geforce 9600 is HDCP compatible.
According to this its a bug [cnet.com], not an HDCP issue.
Who knows maybe they have a fix for this already.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543069</id>
	<title>Re:Any "bricked" players out there?</title>
	<author>Chaos Incarnate</author>
	<datestamp>1246466220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have had to update my firmware at least once to get a disc to play (the first batch of Bond Blu-rays wouldn't actually play--the menu would work, but choosing Play just dumped me back to the menu as if the movie had finished).</p><p>I don't believe that it was a BD+ problem, or the menu would have never loaded (unless I misunderstand how BD+ works). It's even odds as to whether it was a bug in the player or a bug in the authoring software that they added a workaround for, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have had to update my firmware at least once to get a disc to play ( the first batch of Bond Blu-rays would n't actually play--the menu would work , but choosing Play just dumped me back to the menu as if the movie had finished ) .I do n't believe that it was a BD + problem , or the menu would have never loaded ( unless I misunderstand how BD + works ) .
It 's even odds as to whether it was a bug in the player or a bug in the authoring software that they added a workaround for , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have had to update my firmware at least once to get a disc to play (the first batch of Bond Blu-rays wouldn't actually play--the menu would work, but choosing Play just dumped me back to the menu as if the movie had finished).I don't believe that it was a BD+ problem, or the menu would have never loaded (unless I misunderstand how BD+ works).
It's even odds as to whether it was a bug in the player or a bug in the authoring software that they added a workaround for, though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541947</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543399</id>
	<title>Re:Any "bricked" players out there?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yes it has happened.. I remember my friend telling me he couldn't play I think it was Iron Man the first day he got it... then I read about a lot of people couldn't because the "dial home" servers got overloaded from the players updating the firmware and confirming the units were legit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yes it has happened.. I remember my friend telling me he could n't play I think it was Iron Man the first day he got it... then I read about a lot of people could n't because the " dial home " servers got overloaded from the players updating the firmware and confirming the units were legit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yes it has happened.. I remember my friend telling me he couldn't play I think it was Iron Man the first day he got it... then I read about a lot of people couldn't because the "dial home" servers got overloaded from the players updating the firmware and confirming the units were legit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541947</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541645</id>
	<title>Decrypted at some point</title>
	<author>Haiyadragon</author>
	<datestamp>1246460040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The data is decrypted at some point. Is it that hard to just capture the output from whatever device is doing the decrypting? We only need one person to rip it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The data is decrypted at some point .
Is it that hard to just capture the output from whatever device is doing the decrypting ?
We only need one person to rip it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The data is decrypted at some point.
Is it that hard to just capture the output from whatever device is doing the decrypting?
We only need one person to rip it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543367</id>
	<title>Re:It's not a charity</title>
	<author>houstonbofh</author>
	<datestamp>1246467060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would gladly pay for HD content that will play on my Linux systems.  Quite a lot, actually.  But they don't sell that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would gladly pay for HD content that will play on my Linux systems .
Quite a lot , actually .
But they do n't sell that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would gladly pay for HD content that will play on my Linux systems.
Quite a lot, actually.
But they don't sell that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541689</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542669</id>
	<title>Re:I win against blue ray every day</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246464600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm... the HD content I download looks just fine to me<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>*Wham*, Anonymous Cowardon strikes again</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm... the HD content I download looks just fine to me ; ) * Wham * , Anonymous Cowardon strikes again</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm... the HD content I download looks just fine to me ;)*Wham*, Anonymous Cowardon strikes again</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541767</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542727</id>
	<title>Blu-Ray was dead before it started</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246464840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are certain reasons people want to switch to a new format (eg. VHS -&gt; DVD or DVD -&gt; Blu-Ray)</p><p>1) Convenience - VHS had to be rewound, you had to wait for it to fast forward in order to skip parts. DVD can be repositioned on the fly. Blu-Ray is similar to DVD in that regard, so no win.<br>2) Quality - VHS degraded over time and DVD had a much better resolution. Blu-Ray is supposedly better only if the original source was better than DVD. A lot of small studios don't have 1080p camera's, a lot of consumers don't have 1080p TV's. 720p or 1080i is the current budget format and unless you're going larger than 42" it's not really noticeable.<br>3) Price - Maybe that should be on top but DVD in the beginning was just as expensive as Blu-Ray. The only reason it took off fairly fast was because of 1 and 2. DVD only killed VHS when the prices had come down so low that there was no real difference between a VHS or a DVD player and a VHS tape or a DVD disc. By then DVD was cracked by a certain kid named Jon.<br>4) Features - DVD had features that VHS couldn't give (commentary, different audio tracks, extra's) and Blu-Ray has the same exact features. However the added features of Blu-Ray (internet connectivity etc.) will hardly be used because of the inconvenience of having to put in the disk. DVD's have the capability of similar features like games etc. on some discs but again hardly anyone uses them.</p><p>The problem that Blu-Ray has which will leave it dead is that the price can never be on par with DVD if the studios are trying to keep control over the Blu-Ray format. How much does it cost to keep re-encrypting, offering firmware, fine-tuning the DRM? You can put it on a DVD and press it for cheap with or without the encryption. Blu-Ray already costs more to press it but now you're going to have to keep remastering it as well and then you'll have to contact all the vendors and let them update firmware in their current stock, at the customers' side, deal with complaints and keep exchanging units where either flashing went wrong or the customer is too incompetent to do it themselves. This will keep the cost of both players and media high and then the customer will complain to their friends that Blu-Ray players are always having issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are certain reasons people want to switch to a new format ( eg .
VHS - &gt; DVD or DVD - &gt; Blu-Ray ) 1 ) Convenience - VHS had to be rewound , you had to wait for it to fast forward in order to skip parts .
DVD can be repositioned on the fly .
Blu-Ray is similar to DVD in that regard , so no win.2 ) Quality - VHS degraded over time and DVD had a much better resolution .
Blu-Ray is supposedly better only if the original source was better than DVD .
A lot of small studios do n't have 1080p camera 's , a lot of consumers do n't have 1080p TV 's .
720p or 1080i is the current budget format and unless you 're going larger than 42 " it 's not really noticeable.3 ) Price - Maybe that should be on top but DVD in the beginning was just as expensive as Blu-Ray .
The only reason it took off fairly fast was because of 1 and 2 .
DVD only killed VHS when the prices had come down so low that there was no real difference between a VHS or a DVD player and a VHS tape or a DVD disc .
By then DVD was cracked by a certain kid named Jon.4 ) Features - DVD had features that VHS could n't give ( commentary , different audio tracks , extra 's ) and Blu-Ray has the same exact features .
However the added features of Blu-Ray ( internet connectivity etc .
) will hardly be used because of the inconvenience of having to put in the disk .
DVD 's have the capability of similar features like games etc .
on some discs but again hardly anyone uses them.The problem that Blu-Ray has which will leave it dead is that the price can never be on par with DVD if the studios are trying to keep control over the Blu-Ray format .
How much does it cost to keep re-encrypting , offering firmware , fine-tuning the DRM ?
You can put it on a DVD and press it for cheap with or without the encryption .
Blu-Ray already costs more to press it but now you 're going to have to keep remastering it as well and then you 'll have to contact all the vendors and let them update firmware in their current stock , at the customers ' side , deal with complaints and keep exchanging units where either flashing went wrong or the customer is too incompetent to do it themselves .
This will keep the cost of both players and media high and then the customer will complain to their friends that Blu-Ray players are always having issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are certain reasons people want to switch to a new format (eg.
VHS -&gt; DVD or DVD -&gt; Blu-Ray)1) Convenience - VHS had to be rewound, you had to wait for it to fast forward in order to skip parts.
DVD can be repositioned on the fly.
Blu-Ray is similar to DVD in that regard, so no win.2) Quality - VHS degraded over time and DVD had a much better resolution.
Blu-Ray is supposedly better only if the original source was better than DVD.
A lot of small studios don't have 1080p camera's, a lot of consumers don't have 1080p TV's.
720p or 1080i is the current budget format and unless you're going larger than 42" it's not really noticeable.3) Price - Maybe that should be on top but DVD in the beginning was just as expensive as Blu-Ray.
The only reason it took off fairly fast was because of 1 and 2.
DVD only killed VHS when the prices had come down so low that there was no real difference between a VHS or a DVD player and a VHS tape or a DVD disc.
By then DVD was cracked by a certain kid named Jon.4) Features - DVD had features that VHS couldn't give (commentary, different audio tracks, extra's) and Blu-Ray has the same exact features.
However the added features of Blu-Ray (internet connectivity etc.
) will hardly be used because of the inconvenience of having to put in the disk.
DVD's have the capability of similar features like games etc.
on some discs but again hardly anyone uses them.The problem that Blu-Ray has which will leave it dead is that the price can never be on par with DVD if the studios are trying to keep control over the Blu-Ray format.
How much does it cost to keep re-encrypting, offering firmware, fine-tuning the DRM?
You can put it on a DVD and press it for cheap with or without the encryption.
Blu-Ray already costs more to press it but now you're going to have to keep remastering it as well and then you'll have to contact all the vendors and let them update firmware in their current stock, at the customers' side, deal with complaints and keep exchanging units where either flashing went wrong or the customer is too incompetent to do it themselves.
This will keep the cost of both players and media high and then the customer will complain to their friends that Blu-Ray players are always having issues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541827</id>
	<title>what is this blue-ray you speak of</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246461060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Laser Disc is better than any DVD or Blue-Ray.  It's the only way to watch japanese anime!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Laser Disc is better than any DVD or Blue-Ray .
It 's the only way to watch japanese anime !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Laser Disc is better than any DVD or Blue-Ray.
It's the only way to watch japanese anime!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542445</id>
	<title>Re:The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>jonnyj</author>
	<datestamp>1246463580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most consumers (not nerds) care about convenience, price and quality - in that order.  DVD scored massively over VHS on convenience, the price premium was small and the quality improvement was a bonus.  So DVD was a massive success.</p><p>Blu-ray is less convenient than DVD.  Most blu-ray users have only one blu-ray player but several DVD players.  If the kids want to watch a blu-ray movie, the parents get relegated to the small screen in the kitchen; result: unhappiness and no more blu-ray sales.</p><p>The massive price premium is a second problem: why would I pay so much more for something that's less convenient?</p><p>And, in the UK, the quality uplift isn't so important.  PAL DVDs are higher quality than North American ones, so Blu-ray offers less of an improvement.  Also, we have smaller houses and smaller TV sets - almost all of my friends have bought LCD or plasma sets in the past few years, but very few have gone above 32" as that's the largest size that fits comfortably in the fireside alcove of a traditional UK propety.</p><p>I can't see blu-ray ever reaching a mass market.  It'll be obsolete before it reaches critical mass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most consumers ( not nerds ) care about convenience , price and quality - in that order .
DVD scored massively over VHS on convenience , the price premium was small and the quality improvement was a bonus .
So DVD was a massive success.Blu-ray is less convenient than DVD .
Most blu-ray users have only one blu-ray player but several DVD players .
If the kids want to watch a blu-ray movie , the parents get relegated to the small screen in the kitchen ; result : unhappiness and no more blu-ray sales.The massive price premium is a second problem : why would I pay so much more for something that 's less convenient ? And , in the UK , the quality uplift is n't so important .
PAL DVDs are higher quality than North American ones , so Blu-ray offers less of an improvement .
Also , we have smaller houses and smaller TV sets - almost all of my friends have bought LCD or plasma sets in the past few years , but very few have gone above 32 " as that 's the largest size that fits comfortably in the fireside alcove of a traditional UK propety.I ca n't see blu-ray ever reaching a mass market .
It 'll be obsolete before it reaches critical mass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most consumers (not nerds) care about convenience, price and quality - in that order.
DVD scored massively over VHS on convenience, the price premium was small and the quality improvement was a bonus.
So DVD was a massive success.Blu-ray is less convenient than DVD.
Most blu-ray users have only one blu-ray player but several DVD players.
If the kids want to watch a blu-ray movie, the parents get relegated to the small screen in the kitchen; result: unhappiness and no more blu-ray sales.The massive price premium is a second problem: why would I pay so much more for something that's less convenient?And, in the UK, the quality uplift isn't so important.
PAL DVDs are higher quality than North American ones, so Blu-ray offers less of an improvement.
Also, we have smaller houses and smaller TV sets - almost all of my friends have bought LCD or plasma sets in the past few years, but very few have gone above 32" as that's the largest size that fits comfortably in the fireside alcove of a traditional UK propety.I can't see blu-ray ever reaching a mass market.
It'll be obsolete before it reaches critical mass.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541935</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-ray?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246461540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Is blu-ray still around?"</p><p>Yes it is, don't be stupid.  Try leaving your parents' basement once a month or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Is blu-ray still around ?
" Yes it is , do n't be stupid .
Try leaving your parents ' basement once a month or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Is blu-ray still around?
"Yes it is, don't be stupid.
Try leaving your parents' basement once a month or so.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541533</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542815</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1246465200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uuum... Have you ever tried this: <a href="http://btjunkie.org/search?q=any-dvd" title="btjunkie.org">http://btjunkie.org/search?q=any-dvd</a> [btjunkie.org]<br>I'm just sayin'...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uuum... Have you ever tried this : http : //btjunkie.org/search ? q = any-dvd [ btjunkie.org ] I 'm just sayin'.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uuum... Have you ever tried this: http://btjunkie.org/search?q=any-dvd [btjunkie.org]I'm just sayin'...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28544163</id>
	<title>Re:I win against blue ray every day</title>
	<author>u-235-sentinel</author>
	<datestamp>1246469340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>vote with your feet?</p><p>I vote with my cash.  Meaning they don't get any Blu-Ray dollars from me.  Hell they don't get any DVD dollars either since I buy them second hand from sites like second spin or Amazon.com marketplace.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>vote with your feet ? I vote with my cash .
Meaning they do n't get any Blu-Ray dollars from me .
Hell they do n't get any DVD dollars either since I buy them second hand from sites like second spin or Amazon.com marketplace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>vote with your feet?I vote with my cash.
Meaning they don't get any Blu-Ray dollars from me.
Hell they don't get any DVD dollars either since I buy them second hand from sites like second spin or Amazon.com marketplace.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541615</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28547195</id>
	<title>Re:don't buy it</title>
	<author>SwordsmanLuke</author>
	<datestamp>1246478460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it is consumers who have the power *if we are wise enough to use it*.</p></div><p>Why would we start now?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it is consumers who have the power * if we are wise enough to use it * .Why would we start now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it is consumers who have the power *if we are wise enough to use it*.Why would we start now?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541575</id>
	<title>Re:Here's the real question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246459560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>or 4.3-6gb 720p encode of the 50gb Blu-Ray rip that I can't tell the difference between the 720p encode and the 1080p source on my 43" TV?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>or 4.3-6gb 720p encode of the 50gb Blu-Ray rip that I ca n't tell the difference between the 720p encode and the 1080p source on my 43 " TV ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>or 4.3-6gb 720p encode of the 50gb Blu-Ray rip that I can't tell the difference between the 720p encode and the 1080p source on my 43" TV?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541489</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28546031</id>
	<title>mmmm No....</title>
	<author>h2okies</author>
	<datestamp>1246474800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Blu-Ray is supposedly better only if the original source was better than DVD. A lot of small studios don't have 1080p camera's,"

Say what? Did i miss the boat? When did film suddenly require a "1080p" camera? By default all analog cameras are high definition. It's the subsequent post processing and scanning that converts them to high definition digital format.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Blu-Ray is supposedly better only if the original source was better than DVD .
A lot of small studios do n't have 1080p camera 's , " Say what ?
Did i miss the boat ?
When did film suddenly require a " 1080p " camera ?
By default all analog cameras are high definition .
It 's the subsequent post processing and scanning that converts them to high definition digital format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Blu-Ray is supposedly better only if the original source was better than DVD.
A lot of small studios don't have 1080p camera's,"

Say what?
Did i miss the boat?
When did film suddenly require a "1080p" camera?
By default all analog cameras are high definition.
It's the subsequent post processing and scanning that converts them to high definition digital format.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542727</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28547081</id>
	<title>Patience Grasshopper</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1246478160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>meaning that Blu-Ray discs could not be decrypted for a period of time about the same length as SlySoft's worst case scenario.<br> <br>
There are currently 19 movies that cannot be decrypted.</p></div></blockquote><p>
The blu-ray discs could certainly be decrypted after that period of time.  And the unrippable discs of today will certainly be cracked tomorrow, or the day after, simply because the movie studios will continue to use the same method until it's again cracked.<br> <br>
If you can live with not having the disc on Day 1 then the movie studios lose. If you've simply gotta have it on the week of release then they win. They believe that you have no self-control when it comes to your viewing habits and unfortunately too many of you keep proving them right.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>meaning that Blu-Ray discs could not be decrypted for a period of time about the same length as SlySoft 's worst case scenario .
There are currently 19 movies that can not be decrypted .
The blu-ray discs could certainly be decrypted after that period of time .
And the unrippable discs of today will certainly be cracked tomorrow , or the day after , simply because the movie studios will continue to use the same method until it 's again cracked .
If you can live with not having the disc on Day 1 then the movie studios lose .
If you 've simply got ta have it on the week of release then they win .
They believe that you have no self-control when it comes to your viewing habits and unfortunately too many of you keep proving them right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>meaning that Blu-Ray discs could not be decrypted for a period of time about the same length as SlySoft's worst case scenario.
There are currently 19 movies that cannot be decrypted.
The blu-ray discs could certainly be decrypted after that period of time.
And the unrippable discs of today will certainly be cracked tomorrow, or the day after, simply because the movie studios will continue to use the same method until it's again cracked.
If you can live with not having the disc on Day 1 then the movie studios lose.
If you've simply gotta have it on the week of release then they win.
They believe that you have no self-control when it comes to your viewing habits and unfortunately too many of you keep proving them right.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28544875</id>
	<title>maybe im stupid ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but if there are Blueray (sic) players for the computer, can't<br>you just share the drive (samba); obviously the official Blueray drive can read the<br>disc and then re-sample (h.264) it on another computer which is connected to<br>the first one (with the blueray drive) via ethernet?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but if there are Blueray ( sic ) players for the computer , can'tyou just share the drive ( samba ) ; obviously the official Blueray drive can read thedisc and then re-sample ( h.264 ) it on another computer which is connected tothe first one ( with the blueray drive ) via ethernet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but if there are Blueray (sic) players for the computer, can'tyou just share the drive (samba); obviously the official Blueray drive can read thedisc and then re-sample (h.264) it on another computer which is connected tothe first one (with the blueray drive) via ethernet?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542997</id>
	<title>Re:Any "bricked" players out there?</title>
	<author>rundgong</author>
	<datestamp>1246465980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I understood what i have read about BD+ correctly it has a big set of features that is known by the people who make the BD players. Only a few of the features has been used by the ones making the discs. Each time a BD+ feature gets cracked by for example SlySoft the disc manufacturer move to the next thing.
Most decent players will probably have a lot of the BD+ features implemented and will last a long time before they stop working.
<br> <br>
This does of course not mean that crappy players won't need an update each time you buy a new disc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I understood what i have read about BD + correctly it has a big set of features that is known by the people who make the BD players .
Only a few of the features has been used by the ones making the discs .
Each time a BD + feature gets cracked by for example SlySoft the disc manufacturer move to the next thing .
Most decent players will probably have a lot of the BD + features implemented and will last a long time before they stop working .
This does of course not mean that crappy players wo n't need an update each time you buy a new disc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I understood what i have read about BD+ correctly it has a big set of features that is known by the people who make the BD players.
Only a few of the features has been used by the ones making the discs.
Each time a BD+ feature gets cracked by for example SlySoft the disc manufacturer move to the next thing.
Most decent players will probably have a lot of the BD+ features implemented and will last a long time before they stop working.
This does of course not mean that crappy players won't need an update each time you buy a new disc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541947</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543155</id>
	<title>To paraphrase Tyler Durden...</title>
	<author>tholomyes</author>
	<datestamp>1246466460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man, I see in Slashdot the smartest men who've ever lived.  I see all this potential, and I see squandering.  God damn it, an entire generation fighting encryption, cracking protection; slaves with DRM collars.  Advertising has us chasing movies and music, using formats we hate so we can watch movies we don't need.  We're the middle children of history, man.  No purpose of place.  We have no Great War.  No Great Depression.  Our Great War is a format war; our Great Depression is our lives.  We've all been raised by technology to believe that one day we would have universal formats, backwards compatibility, and ease of use.  But we won't.  And we're slowly learning that fact.  And we're very, very pissed off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , I see in Slashdot the smartest men who 've ever lived .
I see all this potential , and I see squandering .
God damn it , an entire generation fighting encryption , cracking protection ; slaves with DRM collars .
Advertising has us chasing movies and music , using formats we hate so we can watch movies we do n't need .
We 're the middle children of history , man .
No purpose of place .
We have no Great War .
No Great Depression .
Our Great War is a format war ; our Great Depression is our lives .
We 've all been raised by technology to believe that one day we would have universal formats , backwards compatibility , and ease of use .
But we wo n't .
And we 're slowly learning that fact .
And we 're very , very pissed off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, I see in Slashdot the smartest men who've ever lived.
I see all this potential, and I see squandering.
God damn it, an entire generation fighting encryption, cracking protection; slaves with DRM collars.
Advertising has us chasing movies and music, using formats we hate so we can watch movies we don't need.
We're the middle children of history, man.
No purpose of place.
We have no Great War.
No Great Depression.
Our Great War is a format war; our Great Depression is our lives.
We've all been raised by technology to believe that one day we would have universal formats, backwards compatibility, and ease of use.
But we won't.
And we're slowly learning that fact.
And we're very, very pissed off.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28555101</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-Ray was dead before it started</title>
	<author>CyberDragon777</author>
	<datestamp>1246527060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't buy movies?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't buy movies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't buy movies?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28544275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542077</id>
	<title>Physical Media Is Outdated</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246462080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I never plan on touching a blu-ray as they are expensive and take up physical space. Terabyte (even multiple terabyte) hard drives are pretty cheap these days and can hold a LOT of movies. I can easily stream them to my TV through my xbox 360 and don't even have to get off my ass to change the movie.<br>I don't know why people are bothering with blu-ray, media centers ftw!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I never plan on touching a blu-ray as they are expensive and take up physical space .
Terabyte ( even multiple terabyte ) hard drives are pretty cheap these days and can hold a LOT of movies .
I can easily stream them to my TV through my xbox 360 and do n't even have to get off my ass to change the movie.I do n't know why people are bothering with blu-ray , media centers ftw !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I never plan on touching a blu-ray as they are expensive and take up physical space.
Terabyte (even multiple terabyte) hard drives are pretty cheap these days and can hold a LOT of movies.
I can easily stream them to my TV through my xbox 360 and don't even have to get off my ass to change the movie.I don't know why people are bothering with blu-ray, media centers ftw!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541947</id>
	<title>Any "bricked" players out there?</title>
	<author>scharkalvin</author>
	<datestamp>1246461600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anybody reading this own an early BD player that no longer will work<br>due to changes in BD+?  Has anybody reading this had to get their BD<br>player firmware updated to play existing or new discs as a result of<br>changes in BD+ (firmware updates to get new features such as BD live<br>don't count)?  I know that the design of BD+ makes this possible, but<br>has it actually happened?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anybody reading this own an early BD player that no longer will workdue to changes in BD + ?
Has anybody reading this had to get their BDplayer firmware updated to play existing or new discs as a result ofchanges in BD + ( firmware updates to get new features such as BD livedo n't count ) ?
I know that the design of BD + makes this possible , buthas it actually happened ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anybody reading this own an early BD player that no longer will workdue to changes in BD+?
Has anybody reading this had to get their BDplayer firmware updated to play existing or new discs as a result ofchanges in BD+ (firmware updates to get new features such as BD livedon't count)?
I know that the design of BD+ makes this possible, buthas it actually happened?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28547229</id>
	<title>Re:The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>ChaosDiscord</author>
	<datestamp>1246478640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you reconcile that SlySoft can provide high quality rips of all but 19 Blu-Ray disks with the statement "Blu-Ray has not been cracked?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you reconcile that SlySoft can provide high quality rips of all but 19 Blu-Ray disks with the statement " Blu-Ray has not been cracked ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you reconcile that SlySoft can provide high quality rips of all but 19 Blu-Ray disks with the statement "Blu-Ray has not been cracked?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541569</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>sjwest</author>
	<datestamp>1246459560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bet Michael Lynton of Sony Corp is happy that Sony is screwing its clients in way he publically wants.</p><p>Blueray (or any dvd replacement) is not on my wishlist anytime soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet Michael Lynton of Sony Corp is happy that Sony is screwing its clients in way he publically wants.Blueray ( or any dvd replacement ) is not on my wishlist anytime soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet Michael Lynton of Sony Corp is happy that Sony is screwing its clients in way he publically wants.Blueray (or any dvd replacement) is not on my wishlist anytime soon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542609</id>
	<title>Re:I win against blue ray every day</title>
	<author>The Cisco Kid</author>
	<datestamp>1246464360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Absolutely right. Blueray, at least as a format for purchasing anything in, has no major advantages over standard DVD. Stick with dvd's. Encourage your friends, family, and neighbors to avoid blueray and stick with dvd.</p><p>Now, as a writable optical data format for data storage, while still kinda expensive, it looks pretty cool. Just imagine how many ripped DVD movies you could store on one BD-R disc, especially if you compress them a little bit more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely right .
Blueray , at least as a format for purchasing anything in , has no major advantages over standard DVD .
Stick with dvd 's .
Encourage your friends , family , and neighbors to avoid blueray and stick with dvd.Now , as a writable optical data format for data storage , while still kinda expensive , it looks pretty cool .
Just imagine how many ripped DVD movies you could store on one BD-R disc , especially if you compress them a little bit more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely right.
Blueray, at least as a format for purchasing anything in, has no major advantages over standard DVD.
Stick with dvd's.
Encourage your friends, family, and neighbors to avoid blueray and stick with dvd.Now, as a writable optical data format for data storage, while still kinda expensive, it looks pretty cool.
Just imagine how many ripped DVD movies you could store on one BD-R disc, especially if you compress them a little bit more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28563385</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1246525500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>FYI, my monitor is a 32" Sony Bravia XBR7 1080p HDTV. I have not had problems playing my blu-ray discs on my friend's PS3 with it. I am pretty sure this was poor advertising by either HP or Costco, or it was intentionally misleading.
<br> <br>
As I said in a previous post, it works with Anydvd HD. It just seems to me that they spent a lot of money on the press kit to tell everyone it's features, and intentionally neglected to say that the blu-ray player doesn't work on external monitors OUT OF THE BOX.</htmltext>
<tokenext>FYI , my monitor is a 32 " Sony Bravia XBR7 1080p HDTV .
I have not had problems playing my blu-ray discs on my friend 's PS3 with it .
I am pretty sure this was poor advertising by either HP or Costco , or it was intentionally misleading .
As I said in a previous post , it works with Anydvd HD .
It just seems to me that they spent a lot of money on the press kit to tell everyone it 's features , and intentionally neglected to say that the blu-ray player does n't work on external monitors OUT OF THE BOX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FYI, my monitor is a 32" Sony Bravia XBR7 1080p HDTV.
I have not had problems playing my blu-ray discs on my friend's PS3 with it.
I am pretty sure this was poor advertising by either HP or Costco, or it was intentionally misleading.
As I said in a previous post, it works with Anydvd HD.
It just seems to me that they spent a lot of money on the press kit to tell everyone it's features, and intentionally neglected to say that the blu-ray player doesn't work on external monitors OUT OF THE BOX.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542067</id>
	<title>Re:Blu-ray?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246462020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let us know how season 2 on HD DVD looks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let us know how season 2 on HD DVD looks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let us know how season 2 on HD DVD looks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28543429</id>
	<title>Re:High Cost?</title>
	<author>houstonbofh</author>
	<datestamp>1246467300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A lot of the cheap players only do BD 1.0, so when the DRM war ratchets up, they will not play new content.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of the cheap players only do BD 1.0 , so when the DRM war ratchets up , they will not play new content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of the cheap players only do BD 1.0, so when the DRM war ratchets up, they will not play new content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541489</id>
	<title>Here's the real question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246459200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>50gb Blu-ray RiP or 1-3gb DVD-RiP?</htmltext>
<tokenext>50gb Blu-ray RiP or 1-3gb DVD-RiP ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>50gb Blu-ray RiP or 1-3gb DVD-RiP?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28566631</id>
	<title>Re:Any "bricked" players out there?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246540920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;own an early BD player that no longer will work due to changes in BD+?<br>Thats the point. The system is design so that this will never happen. "resealing" it doesn't require changes to the player only the disc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; own an early BD player that no longer will work due to changes in BD + ? Thats the point .
The system is design so that this will never happen .
" resealing " it does n't require changes to the player only the disc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;own an early BD player that no longer will work due to changes in BD+?Thats the point.
The system is design so that this will never happen.
"resealing" it doesn't require changes to the player only the disc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28554525</id>
	<title>Re:The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>suckmysav</author>
	<datestamp>1246477020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This is the first concrete deployment of "trusted computing" type system, and the reality is that it is working"<br><br>OK, that may be true in a purely technical sense.<br><br>"The content industry has won this round"<br><br>Ummm, if by winning you mean "Blue Ray is a successful platform that has been widely adopted by a large number of paying customers" then you would be totally wrong. They may have won the battle, but the have not won the war.<br>
&nbsp; <br>", and will continue to win with ever more secure encryption and a legion of untrusting, internet connected players in peoples living rooms."<br><br>Only if they manage to force people to buy that stuff. or somehow manage to make stuff that does what you say and somehow manage to provide value for money and user satisfaction as well, which would be no mean feat I assure you.<br><br>P.S. Why is it that I now have to manually put in HTML break codes to insert blank lines between paragraphs now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This is the first concrete deployment of " trusted computing " type system , and the reality is that it is working " OK , that may be true in a purely technical sense .
" The content industry has won this round " Ummm , if by winning you mean " Blue Ray is a successful platform that has been widely adopted by a large number of paying customers " then you would be totally wrong .
They may have won the battle , but the have not won the war .
  " , and will continue to win with ever more secure encryption and a legion of untrusting , internet connected players in peoples living rooms .
" Only if they manage to force people to buy that stuff .
or somehow manage to make stuff that does what you say and somehow manage to provide value for money and user satisfaction as well , which would be no mean feat I assure you.P.S .
Why is it that I now have to manually put in HTML break codes to insert blank lines between paragraphs now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This is the first concrete deployment of "trusted computing" type system, and the reality is that it is working"OK, that may be true in a purely technical sense.
"The content industry has won this round"Ummm, if by winning you mean "Blue Ray is a successful platform that has been widely adopted by a large number of paying customers" then you would be totally wrong.
They may have won the battle, but the have not won the war.
  ", and will continue to win with ever more secure encryption and a legion of untrusting, internet connected players in peoples living rooms.
"Only if they manage to force people to buy that stuff.
or somehow manage to make stuff that does what you say and somehow manage to provide value for money and user satisfaction as well, which would be no mean feat I assure you.P.S.
Why is it that I now have to manually put in HTML break codes to insert blank lines between paragraphs now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542333</id>
	<title>Piracy Wars and the Halting Problem...</title>
	<author>nweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1246463160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Piracy wars are not solved by solving the halting problem.  Piracy wars are solved by making the other poor bastard solve the halting problem..."</p><p>This is actually a really clever and somewhat unexpected approach that the BluRay DRM folks have hit on.  Rather than doing DRM, have a program and basically force those who are cracking the disks to crack every title differently.  Its basically force those who want to develop ripping software to do AV style analysis on every new disk that comes out.</p><p>Yes, the DRM on any individual disk will always fall eventually because all the data must be on the disk and recoverable from the disk by the player.  But it makes it very VERY annoying for those writing the unauthorized decryption software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Piracy wars are not solved by solving the halting problem .
Piracy wars are solved by making the other poor bastard solve the halting problem... " This is actually a really clever and somewhat unexpected approach that the BluRay DRM folks have hit on .
Rather than doing DRM , have a program and basically force those who are cracking the disks to crack every title differently .
Its basically force those who want to develop ripping software to do AV style analysis on every new disk that comes out.Yes , the DRM on any individual disk will always fall eventually because all the data must be on the disk and recoverable from the disk by the player .
But it makes it very VERY annoying for those writing the unauthorized decryption software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Piracy wars are not solved by solving the halting problem.
Piracy wars are solved by making the other poor bastard solve the halting problem..."This is actually a really clever and somewhat unexpected approach that the BluRay DRM folks have hit on.
Rather than doing DRM, have a program and basically force those who are cracking the disks to crack every title differently.
Its basically force those who want to develop ripping software to do AV style analysis on every new disk that comes out.Yes, the DRM on any individual disk will always fall eventually because all the data must be on the disk and recoverable from the disk by the player.
But it makes it very VERY annoying for those writing the unauthorized decryption software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541657</id>
	<title>Care?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246460100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't buy DRM crap.<br>DVD/CSS can go to hell.<br>Ipods can go to hell.<br>Who needs Blueray/HDDVD anyway? They can go to hell too.<br>I do not even buy CDs if they don't explicitly state that they employ no DRM scheme.(*)<br>I really have no use for crappy music installing Trojans on my computer. If I want to listen to crappy music I turn on the radio, which I rarely do.<br>I have no use for a "calling home" video player either.</p><p><b>I have more important things to spend my money on than privacy-eroding, basic liberties eroding, greedy, amoral mega corporations.</b></p><p>People should stop watching so much advertising. Works wonders...</p><p>(*) A good sign that they do not is this old Redbook CD-DA Logo. Manufacturers are only allowed to put it on if they adhere to the spec. DRM is a spec violation, so no logo!</p><p>Captcha: educator hehe</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't buy DRM crap.DVD/CSS can go to hell.Ipods can go to hell.Who needs Blueray/HDDVD anyway ?
They can go to hell too.I do not even buy CDs if they do n't explicitly state that they employ no DRM scheme .
( * ) I really have no use for crappy music installing Trojans on my computer .
If I want to listen to crappy music I turn on the radio , which I rarely do.I have no use for a " calling home " video player either.I have more important things to spend my money on than privacy-eroding , basic liberties eroding , greedy , amoral mega corporations.People should stop watching so much advertising .
Works wonders... ( * ) A good sign that they do not is this old Redbook CD-DA Logo .
Manufacturers are only allowed to put it on if they adhere to the spec .
DRM is a spec violation , so no logo ! Captcha : educator hehe</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't buy DRM crap.DVD/CSS can go to hell.Ipods can go to hell.Who needs Blueray/HDDVD anyway?
They can go to hell too.I do not even buy CDs if they don't explicitly state that they employ no DRM scheme.
(*)I really have no use for crappy music installing Trojans on my computer.
If I want to listen to crappy music I turn on the radio, which I rarely do.I have no use for a "calling home" video player either.I have more important things to spend my money on than privacy-eroding, basic liberties eroding, greedy, amoral mega corporations.People should stop watching so much advertising.
Works wonders...(*) A good sign that they do not is this old Redbook CD-DA Logo.
Manufacturers are only allowed to put it on if they adhere to the spec.
DRM is a spec violation, so no logo!Captcha: educator hehe</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28548239</id>
	<title>No region coding for BluRay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246481700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've bought BluRay movies in Europe and Asia and they play fine on a PS3 bought in the USA.</p><p>As far as I can tell, almost none of the BluRay movies are region locked. There are rumours that such movies do exist, but I've yet to see one.</p><p>DVDs have the same unskippable feature, so there's no "one up" for DVDs there. I suspect your DVD experience is made up from more pirate DVDs which typically have that cruft removed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've bought BluRay movies in Europe and Asia and they play fine on a PS3 bought in the USA.As far as I can tell , almost none of the BluRay movies are region locked .
There are rumours that such movies do exist , but I 've yet to see one.DVDs have the same unskippable feature , so there 's no " one up " for DVDs there .
I suspect your DVD experience is made up from more pirate DVDs which typically have that cruft removed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've bought BluRay movies in Europe and Asia and they play fine on a PS3 bought in the USA.As far as I can tell, almost none of the BluRay movies are region locked.
There are rumours that such movies do exist, but I've yet to see one.DVDs have the same unskippable feature, so there's no "one up" for DVDs there.
I suspect your DVD experience is made up from more pirate DVDs which typically have that cruft removed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28555845</id>
	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1246537920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously - who cares about Blu-Ray?<br>Why pay out in the order of a thousand pounds to completely replace your entire TV system - from screen to player to the stand that the TV is on to replacing the shelves on the wall behind the TV with ones that can accommodate a flat panel display - everything has to go. And for what? No increase in quality and a lot more hassles.</p><p>I don't see this entire generation of technologies getting sufficient traction to make me replace everything. I'll look at the issue again in a decade or so and see if anything is still surviving then.</p><p>(I should point out that it was the wife's idea to get a TV. I was perfectly happy with the radio, and that's still mostly what I use the TV system for, since it's radio reception is better than the analogue radio. I might try looking at DAB when it's settled down a bit.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously - who cares about Blu-Ray ? Why pay out in the order of a thousand pounds to completely replace your entire TV system - from screen to player to the stand that the TV is on to replacing the shelves on the wall behind the TV with ones that can accommodate a flat panel display - everything has to go .
And for what ?
No increase in quality and a lot more hassles.I do n't see this entire generation of technologies getting sufficient traction to make me replace everything .
I 'll look at the issue again in a decade or so and see if anything is still surviving then .
( I should point out that it was the wife 's idea to get a TV .
I was perfectly happy with the radio , and that 's still mostly what I use the TV system for , since it 's radio reception is better than the analogue radio .
I might try looking at DAB when it 's settled down a bit .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously - who cares about Blu-Ray?Why pay out in the order of a thousand pounds to completely replace your entire TV system - from screen to player to the stand that the TV is on to replacing the shelves on the wall behind the TV with ones that can accommodate a flat panel display - everything has to go.
And for what?
No increase in quality and a lot more hassles.I don't see this entire generation of technologies getting sufficient traction to make me replace everything.
I'll look at the issue again in a decade or so and see if anything is still surviving then.
(I should point out that it was the wife's idea to get a TV.
I was perfectly happy with the radio, and that's still mostly what I use the TV system for, since it's radio reception is better than the analogue radio.
I might try looking at DAB when it's settled down a bit.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28555347</id>
	<title>Re:Here's the real question</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1246530600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You've just invented a new form of DRM - security by inconvenience!
<br>
"I could DL it, but I can't be bothered..."</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've just invented a new form of DRM - security by inconvenience !
" I could DL it , but I ca n't be bothered... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've just invented a new form of DRM - security by inconvenience!
"I could DL it, but I can't be bothered..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541933</id>
	<title>Re:Just wait for more users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246461540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>(I even recall an article a couple weeks ago about avericans having more HD-DVD players in circulation than BD players!)</i> <br> <br>

Then you should also recall that those numbers didn't take PS3 sales into account, which is fucking ridiculous. No, there aren't more HD-DVD players in circulation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>( I even recall an article a couple weeks ago about avericans having more HD-DVD players in circulation than BD players !
) Then you should also recall that those numbers did n't take PS3 sales into account , which is fucking ridiculous .
No , there are n't more HD-DVD players in circulation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(I even recall an article a couple weeks ago about avericans having more HD-DVD players in circulation than BD players!
)  

Then you should also recall that those numbers didn't take PS3 sales into account, which is fucking ridiculous.
No, there aren't more HD-DVD players in circulation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28563187</id>
	<title>Blu-Ray Haters Don't Have Home Theaters</title>
	<author>bmcent1</author>
	<datestamp>1246568100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The difficulty ripping blu-rays, the forced warnings and trailers, the bugginess of players... all suck.
<br>

<br>
However, I can easily say, if you are watching movies on a 120" projection screen, at 1080p and even at 720p, there is a significant improvement in picture quality. Just as standard def TV looked bad when shown on 42"+ TVs, DVDs (including upscaled) can look similarly bad on 120"+ screens. I've got an Oppo DVD player, known as one of the best upscalers out there. It does a good job and animated films look great projected. But for movies with real actors, a quality Blu-Ray film blows away a DVD on a large projection screen.
<br>

<br>
Projectors are so cheap these days (a good 720p projector can be had for about the same as a good 40-50" plasma) that I wouldn't be surprised to see many more people adopting projectors. There's something very different about sitting down to watch a movie with friends or family in front of a 10' screen compared to a 42" TV.
<br>

<br>
I'd love to see Blu-Ray without the cumbersome, anti-fair-use (aka anti-"toddler insurance") crap. But I want the format to succeed because nothing else offers video quality that holds a candle to it. Some people think we'll skip mass adoption of Blu-Ray and go straight to digital delivery... okay as long as your net connection stays up. If you've got backup power and a library of disks, you've still got a movie night when the power goes out in the middle of a snow storm. With a physical disk and a player, you're not at the whim of your ISP, cable, or fiber provider when you have people over for a movie.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The difficulty ripping blu-rays , the forced warnings and trailers , the bugginess of players... all suck .
However , I can easily say , if you are watching movies on a 120 " projection screen , at 1080p and even at 720p , there is a significant improvement in picture quality .
Just as standard def TV looked bad when shown on 42 " + TVs , DVDs ( including upscaled ) can look similarly bad on 120 " + screens .
I 've got an Oppo DVD player , known as one of the best upscalers out there .
It does a good job and animated films look great projected .
But for movies with real actors , a quality Blu-Ray film blows away a DVD on a large projection screen .
Projectors are so cheap these days ( a good 720p projector can be had for about the same as a good 40-50 " plasma ) that I would n't be surprised to see many more people adopting projectors .
There 's something very different about sitting down to watch a movie with friends or family in front of a 10 ' screen compared to a 42 " TV .
I 'd love to see Blu-Ray without the cumbersome , anti-fair-use ( aka anti- " toddler insurance " ) crap .
But I want the format to succeed because nothing else offers video quality that holds a candle to it .
Some people think we 'll skip mass adoption of Blu-Ray and go straight to digital delivery... okay as long as your net connection stays up .
If you 've got backup power and a library of disks , you 've still got a movie night when the power goes out in the middle of a snow storm .
With a physical disk and a player , you 're not at the whim of your ISP , cable , or fiber provider when you have people over for a movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difficulty ripping blu-rays, the forced warnings and trailers, the bugginess of players... all suck.
However, I can easily say, if you are watching movies on a 120" projection screen, at 1080p and even at 720p, there is a significant improvement in picture quality.
Just as standard def TV looked bad when shown on 42"+ TVs, DVDs (including upscaled) can look similarly bad on 120"+ screens.
I've got an Oppo DVD player, known as one of the best upscalers out there.
It does a good job and animated films look great projected.
But for movies with real actors, a quality Blu-Ray film blows away a DVD on a large projection screen.
Projectors are so cheap these days (a good 720p projector can be had for about the same as a good 40-50" plasma) that I wouldn't be surprised to see many more people adopting projectors.
There's something very different about sitting down to watch a movie with friends or family in front of a 10' screen compared to a 42" TV.
I'd love to see Blu-Ray without the cumbersome, anti-fair-use (aka anti-"toddler insurance") crap.
But I want the format to succeed because nothing else offers video quality that holds a candle to it.
Some people think we'll skip mass adoption of Blu-Ray and go straight to digital delivery... okay as long as your net connection stays up.
If you've got backup power and a library of disks, you've still got a movie night when the power goes out in the middle of a snow storm.
With a physical disk and a player, you're not at the whim of your ISP, cable, or fiber provider when you have people over for a movie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542715</id>
	<title>Re:don't buy it</title>
	<author>houstonbofh</author>
	<datestamp>1246464840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why limit to Linux?  I have only see one guy actually play a BlueRay on a big screen in full resolution with a Computer.  Normally some part of the computer protests, and you are downscaled.  The funny part is that some people don't notice!  So a increase in cost, and complexity for a quality difference that many people won't notice unless they are looking for it.  We got a winner here!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why limit to Linux ?
I have only see one guy actually play a BlueRay on a big screen in full resolution with a Computer .
Normally some part of the computer protests , and you are downscaled .
The funny part is that some people do n't notice !
So a increase in cost , and complexity for a quality difference that many people wo n't notice unless they are looking for it .
We got a winner here !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why limit to Linux?
I have only see one guy actually play a BlueRay on a big screen in full resolution with a Computer.
Normally some part of the computer protests, and you are downscaled.
The funny part is that some people don't notice!
So a increase in cost, and complexity for a quality difference that many people won't notice unless they are looking for it.
We got a winner here!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541503</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541851</id>
	<title>troll article is trolling</title>
	<author>Tiber</author>
	<datestamp>1246461180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It appears neither side is able to decisively gain the upper hand, but one thing seems clear &#226;" only full-time, for-profit professionals are able to consistently beat BD+.</i></p><p>That's like saying "only government funded, for profit individuals have any hope of working on the space shuttle". But the space shuttle isn't represented in the majority of homes yet. Come back when enough people have BD+ to make it interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It appears neither side is able to decisively gain the upper hand , but one thing seems clear   " only full-time , for-profit professionals are able to consistently beat BD + .That 's like saying " only government funded , for profit individuals have any hope of working on the space shuttle " .
But the space shuttle is n't represented in the majority of homes yet .
Come back when enough people have BD + to make it interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It appears neither side is able to decisively gain the upper hand, but one thing seems clear â" only full-time, for-profit professionals are able to consistently beat BD+.That's like saying "only government funded, for profit individuals have any hope of working on the space shuttle".
But the space shuttle isn't represented in the majority of homes yet.
Come back when enough people have BD+ to make it interesting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541587</id>
	<title>Just wait for more users</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246459620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AFAIK BD still have a small penetration and most people are still using standard DVD's (I even recall an article a couple weeks ago about avericans having more HD-DVD players in circulation than BD players!)</p><p>Just wait until more people use DB and I'm sure it won't be long before each new BD+ gets cracked promptly...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AFAIK BD still have a small penetration and most people are still using standard DVD 's ( I even recall an article a couple weeks ago about avericans having more HD-DVD players in circulation than BD players !
) Just wait until more people use DB and I 'm sure it wo n't be long before each new BD + gets cracked promptly.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AFAIK BD still have a small penetration and most people are still using standard DVD's (I even recall an article a couple weeks ago about avericans having more HD-DVD players in circulation than BD players!
)Just wait until more people use DB and I'm sure it won't be long before each new BD+ gets cracked promptly...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28553903</id>
	<title>Boycott Blu-Ray!</title>
	<author>wshwe</author>
	<datestamp>1246469520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The answer is to boycott Blu-Ray all together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The answer is to boycott Blu-Ray all together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The answer is to boycott Blu-Ray all together.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542239</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246462740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you retarded?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you retarded ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you retarded?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28547201</id>
	<title>Re:I win against blue ray every day</title>
	<author>Repossessed</author>
	<datestamp>1246478460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HD-DVD also hadd a dual dvd/HD-dvd format, which would have been awesome, I could build up a collection, then get the player once I had enough movies for it to make sense.  Instead I keep buying DVD because blu ray doesn't do anything for me right away.</p><p>I have to wonder if all the bad things about blu ray are *why* the studios chose it though, worse drm, more expensive to build a library later on, unskippable trailers etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HD-DVD also hadd a dual dvd/HD-dvd format , which would have been awesome , I could build up a collection , then get the player once I had enough movies for it to make sense .
Instead I keep buying DVD because blu ray does n't do anything for me right away.I have to wonder if all the bad things about blu ray are * why * the studios chose it though , worse drm , more expensive to build a library later on , unskippable trailers etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HD-DVD also hadd a dual dvd/HD-dvd format, which would have been awesome, I could build up a collection, then get the player once I had enough movies for it to make sense.
Instead I keep buying DVD because blu ray doesn't do anything for me right away.I have to wonder if all the bad things about blu ray are *why* the studios chose it though, worse drm, more expensive to build a library later on, unskippable trailers etc.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542795</id>
	<title>Re:Dear Sony</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246465140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny that, I've got a new *laptop* that can't play BluRay on the --built-in-- screen. I fire the movie demo disc (from 2005) into my new acer (now running windows 7) and it says "cannot play, unauthorized screen".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny that , I 've got a new * laptop * that ca n't play BluRay on the --built-in-- screen .
I fire the movie demo disc ( from 2005 ) into my new acer ( now running windows 7 ) and it says " can not play , unauthorized screen " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny that, I've got a new *laptop* that can't play BluRay on the --built-in-- screen.
I fire the movie demo disc (from 2005) into my new acer (now running windows 7) and it says "cannot play, unauthorized screen".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541777</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28555213</id>
	<title>Sensationalism at it's worst</title>
	<author>LostMyBeaver</author>
	<datestamp>1246528560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, you seem to think that the BD+ has won. If anything you're missing out on a few interesting points here.<br><br>First, if they won, then even Slysoft wouldn't be able to create new patches to circumvent the encryption. The issue here isn't whether they will or not. The issue is, how long will it take them to get around it this time. If anything, it keeps things a little entertaining, but it's still a non-issue.<br><br>Second, apparently BD+ is losing in many ways since there's not even enough interest in Blu-Ray for the open source community to waste their efforts in making the format consistently playable. Therefore, it's not an issue of trusted computing as much as a "Who really gives a crap" type scenario.<br><br>Third, high quality movie rips are entirely possible through many alternate methods, even if they are more time consuming and less convenient. As long as a film can be played, it can be copied. It's only a matter of how long does it take. For the moment, the convenience level is low since the resolutions are high enough that the time required to re-encode an HD film is high. Using new technologies like Intel's Larabee will change the playing field by quite a bit since there will be more processing power for running x264 or other encoders coming around.<br><br>I work in the world of hardware video encoders and real-time in full-HD is still a challenge, even with specialized hardware. These days, it's the average time it takes to rip and re-encode a DVD with 2-pass high quality encoding is 15 minutes on a not-so-special PC. To do a roughly similar job from an unencrypted Blu-Ray takes 24 hours at least.<br><br>Don't mistake lack of interest as being defeat. There just isn't enough interest in busting the encryption on Blu-Ray because the time to reencode is just TOO much. Once the CPU power for HD encoding becomes more readily available, if Blu-Ray even still exists, it will be cracked and present in a lot more systems.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , you seem to think that the BD + has won .
If anything you 're missing out on a few interesting points here.First , if they won , then even Slysoft would n't be able to create new patches to circumvent the encryption .
The issue here is n't whether they will or not .
The issue is , how long will it take them to get around it this time .
If anything , it keeps things a little entertaining , but it 's still a non-issue.Second , apparently BD + is losing in many ways since there 's not even enough interest in Blu-Ray for the open source community to waste their efforts in making the format consistently playable .
Therefore , it 's not an issue of trusted computing as much as a " Who really gives a crap " type scenario.Third , high quality movie rips are entirely possible through many alternate methods , even if they are more time consuming and less convenient .
As long as a film can be played , it can be copied .
It 's only a matter of how long does it take .
For the moment , the convenience level is low since the resolutions are high enough that the time required to re-encode an HD film is high .
Using new technologies like Intel 's Larabee will change the playing field by quite a bit since there will be more processing power for running x264 or other encoders coming around.I work in the world of hardware video encoders and real-time in full-HD is still a challenge , even with specialized hardware .
These days , it 's the average time it takes to rip and re-encode a DVD with 2-pass high quality encoding is 15 minutes on a not-so-special PC .
To do a roughly similar job from an unencrypted Blu-Ray takes 24 hours at least.Do n't mistake lack of interest as being defeat .
There just is n't enough interest in busting the encryption on Blu-Ray because the time to reencode is just TOO much .
Once the CPU power for HD encoding becomes more readily available , if Blu-Ray even still exists , it will be cracked and present in a lot more systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, you seem to think that the BD+ has won.
If anything you're missing out on a few interesting points here.First, if they won, then even Slysoft wouldn't be able to create new patches to circumvent the encryption.
The issue here isn't whether they will or not.
The issue is, how long will it take them to get around it this time.
If anything, it keeps things a little entertaining, but it's still a non-issue.Second, apparently BD+ is losing in many ways since there's not even enough interest in Blu-Ray for the open source community to waste their efforts in making the format consistently playable.
Therefore, it's not an issue of trusted computing as much as a "Who really gives a crap" type scenario.Third, high quality movie rips are entirely possible through many alternate methods, even if they are more time consuming and less convenient.
As long as a film can be played, it can be copied.
It's only a matter of how long does it take.
For the moment, the convenience level is low since the resolutions are high enough that the time required to re-encode an HD film is high.
Using new technologies like Intel's Larabee will change the playing field by quite a bit since there will be more processing power for running x264 or other encoders coming around.I work in the world of hardware video encoders and real-time in full-HD is still a challenge, even with specialized hardware.
These days, it's the average time it takes to rip and re-encode a DVD with 2-pass high quality encoding is 15 minutes on a not-so-special PC.
To do a roughly similar job from an unencrypted Blu-Ray takes 24 hours at least.Don't mistake lack of interest as being defeat.
There just isn't enough interest in busting the encryption on Blu-Ray because the time to reencode is just TOO much.
Once the CPU power for HD encoding becomes more readily available, if Blu-Ray even still exists, it will be cracked and present in a lot more systems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28542247</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541735</id>
	<title>Good news and better news...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246460520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The good news is, pretty much all of those movies (minus maybe the original Earth Stood Still and History of the World), to put it politely, suck and aren't worth even not paying for.</p><p>The better news is, if you absolutely, positively have to have a rip of "Marley And Me," a Hauppauge HD-PVR hooked up to your component outs will cure what ails you (even if it doesn't give you better taste in movies).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The good news is , pretty much all of those movies ( minus maybe the original Earth Stood Still and History of the World ) , to put it politely , suck and are n't worth even not paying for.The better news is , if you absolutely , positively have to have a rip of " Marley And Me , " a Hauppauge HD-PVR hooked up to your component outs will cure what ails you ( even if it does n't give you better taste in movies ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The good news is, pretty much all of those movies (minus maybe the original Earth Stood Still and History of the World), to put it politely, suck and aren't worth even not paying for.The better news is, if you absolutely, positively have to have a rip of "Marley And Me," a Hauppauge HD-PVR hooked up to your component outs will cure what ails you (even if it doesn't give you better taste in movies).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_1224235.28541763</id>
	<title>Re:The summary is missing something...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246460700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I pay around $10-12 per movie on Bluray.  I recently started building up a collection after only owning 5 Bluray movies (the free Blu-ray promotion with select Bluray players, including PS3).

<br> <br>
Amazon has some great deals on Blu-rays, you just have to look and be open to buying something on spur of the moment (eg, the Gold Box deals).  Amazon had a glitch or something where they sold Ghostbusters on Bluray for $9.99 after 2 $5 coupon codes. The deal only lasted 6 hours.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I pay around $ 10-12 per movie on Bluray .
I recently started building up a collection after only owning 5 Bluray movies ( the free Blu-ray promotion with select Bluray players , including PS3 ) .
Amazon has some great deals on Blu-rays , you just have to look and be open to buying something on spur of the moment ( eg , the Gold Box deals ) .
Amazon had a glitch or something where they sold Ghostbusters on Bluray for $ 9.99 after 2 $ 5 coupon codes .
The deal only lasted 6 hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pay around $10-12 per movie on Bluray.
I recently started building up a collection after only owning 5 Bluray movies (the free Blu-ray promotion with select Bluray players, including PS3).
Amazon has some great deals on Blu-rays, you just have to look and be open to buying something on spur of the moment (eg, the Gold Box deals).
Amazon had a glitch or something where they sold Ghostbusters on Bluray for $9.99 after 2 $5 coupon codes.
The deal only lasted 6 hours.</sentencetext>
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