<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_29_2227237</id>
	<title>Madoff Sentenced To 150 Years</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1246273380000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>selven was one of several readers to send in the news that <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN2827208520090629">Bernie Madoff was sentenced to 150 years</a> in prison. <i>"Bernard Madoff's victims gasped and cheered when he was sentenced to 150 years in prison, but they walked away knowing little more about how he carried out the biggest robbery in Wall Street history. In one of the most dramatic courtroom conclusions to a corporate fraud case, the 71-year-old swindler was unemotional as he was berated by distraught investors during the 90-minute proceeding. Many former clients had hoped he would shed more light on his crime and explain why he victimized so many for so long. But he did not. Madoff called his crime 'an error of judgment' and his 'failure,' reiterating previous statements that he alone was responsible for the $65 billion investment fraud. His victims said they did not hear much new from Madoff in his five-minute statement. They also said they did not believe anything he said. As he handed down the maximum penalty allowed, US District Judge Denny Chin... [said], 'I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>selven was one of several readers to send in the news that Bernie Madoff was sentenced to 150 years in prison .
" Bernard Madoff 's victims gasped and cheered when he was sentenced to 150 years in prison , but they walked away knowing little more about how he carried out the biggest robbery in Wall Street history .
In one of the most dramatic courtroom conclusions to a corporate fraud case , the 71-year-old swindler was unemotional as he was berated by distraught investors during the 90-minute proceeding .
Many former clients had hoped he would shed more light on his crime and explain why he victimized so many for so long .
But he did not .
Madoff called his crime 'an error of judgment ' and his 'failure, ' reiterating previous statements that he alone was responsible for the $ 65 billion investment fraud .
His victims said they did not hear much new from Madoff in his five-minute statement .
They also said they did not believe anything he said .
As he handed down the maximum penalty allowed , US District Judge Denny Chin... [ said ] , 'I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>selven was one of several readers to send in the news that Bernie Madoff was sentenced to 150 years in prison.
"Bernard Madoff's victims gasped and cheered when he was sentenced to 150 years in prison, but they walked away knowing little more about how he carried out the biggest robbery in Wall Street history.
In one of the most dramatic courtroom conclusions to a corporate fraud case, the 71-year-old swindler was unemotional as he was berated by distraught investors during the 90-minute proceeding.
Many former clients had hoped he would shed more light on his crime and explain why he victimized so many for so long.
But he did not.
Madoff called his crime 'an error of judgment' and his 'failure,' reiterating previous statements that he alone was responsible for the $65 billion investment fraud.
His victims said they did not hear much new from Madoff in his five-minute statement.
They also said they did not believe anything he said.
As he handed down the maximum penalty allowed, US District Judge Denny Chin... [said], 'I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522079</id>
	<title>Re:Self delusion is a powerful force</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1246280700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What?</p><p>"for a long time I'm not sure he thought himself he was defrauding anyone"</p><p>What?</p><p>He took money.<br>He lied about investing it.<br>He lied about getting huge gains on those non-existent investments, in order to take more money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What ?
" for a long time I 'm not sure he thought himself he was defrauding anyone " What ? He took money.He lied about investing it.He lied about getting huge gains on those non-existent investments , in order to take more money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What?
"for a long time I'm not sure he thought himself he was defrauding anyone"What?He took money.He lied about investing it.He lied about getting huge gains on those non-existent investments, in order to take more money.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28526105</id>
	<title>And people wonder ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246363020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... why Jews have a money-grubbing reputation.</p><p>RIAA, Madoff, etc.</p><p>It's a long list. It's not pretty, and it reinforces some pretty ugly stereotypes, dating back to<br>the time before Shakespeare wrote "The Merchant of Venice" ( there was a reason he<br>wrote the character of Shylock ).</p><p>What I am saying isn't politically "correct", but if you have any intellectual courage, you will<br>know this :</p><p>The TRUTH doesn't have any relationship to politics or correctness. It is simply the truth,<br>and it stands alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... why Jews have a money-grubbing reputation.RIAA , Madoff , etc.It 's a long list .
It 's not pretty , and it reinforces some pretty ugly stereotypes , dating back tothe time before Shakespeare wrote " The Merchant of Venice " ( there was a reason hewrote the character of Shylock ) .What I am saying is n't politically " correct " , but if you have any intellectual courage , you willknow this : The TRUTH does n't have any relationship to politics or correctness .
It is simply the truth,and it stands alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... why Jews have a money-grubbing reputation.RIAA, Madoff, etc.It's a long list.
It's not pretty, and it reinforces some pretty ugly stereotypes, dating back tothe time before Shakespeare wrote "The Merchant of Venice" ( there was a reason hewrote the character of Shylock ).What I am saying isn't politically "correct", but if you have any intellectual courage, you willknow this :The TRUTH doesn't have any relationship to politics or correctness.
It is simply the truth,and it stands alone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521395</id>
	<title>DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246277220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the funniest thing ever to me, is that the people who have been dooped once already into losing their money are getting dooped for a second time with all of this disinfo about madolf being the only guy involved.</p><p>
There must have been dozens to hundreds of people orchestrating this. But it's ok, we'll pin it all on one guy and see how gullible the public is. This guy is up there with the Lee Harvey Oswalds of patsies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the funniest thing ever to me , is that the people who have been dooped once already into losing their money are getting dooped for a second time with all of this disinfo about madolf being the only guy involved .
There must have been dozens to hundreds of people orchestrating this .
But it 's ok , we 'll pin it all on one guy and see how gullible the public is .
This guy is up there with the Lee Harvey Oswalds of patsies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the funniest thing ever to me, is that the people who have been dooped once already into losing their money are getting dooped for a second time with all of this disinfo about madolf being the only guy involved.
There must have been dozens to hundreds of people orchestrating this.
But it's ok, we'll pin it all on one guy and see how gullible the public is.
This guy is up there with the Lee Harvey Oswalds of patsies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523027</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>twostix</author>
	<datestamp>1246286340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think people need to understand the difference between an observation of general society and a statement of personal belief.</p><p>Obviously Red Flayer was making an observation.  And he's largely correct.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think people need to understand the difference between an observation of general society and a statement of personal belief.Obviously Red Flayer was making an observation .
And he 's largely correct .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think people need to understand the difference between an observation of general society and a statement of personal belief.Obviously Red Flayer was making an observation.
And he's largely correct.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522231</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>ralphdaugherty</author>
	<datestamp>1246281480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I think it's very likely that there were others in-the-know. But they probably worked out a plea to provide documentation to nail the case against Madoff, which is why they won't be prosecuted.</i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; There's no indication at all this happened.</p><p>
&nbsp; rd</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's very likely that there were others in-the-know .
But they probably worked out a plea to provide documentation to nail the case against Madoff , which is why they wo n't be prosecuted .
      There 's no indication at all this happened .
  rd</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's very likely that there were others in-the-know.
But they probably worked out a plea to provide documentation to nail the case against Madoff, which is why they won't be prosecuted.
      There's no indication at all this happened.
  rd</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522509</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is content</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1246282920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You know why Bernie Madoff seems to be very complacent about the whole thing? Because his sons got off scot-free. Madoff is quite fine with sacrificing his freedom for the rest of his life... there are few things more [noble? gratifying?] than sacrificing yourself for your children.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Madoff will never see the inside of a real prison. The rich have a lot of resources to use to stay out of prison. All Madoff has to do is drag the trial/sentencing on long enough that something else big happens and quietly buys his way to freedom. In the off chance that the US court system works (I couldn't say that with a straight face) he'll be out on a medical release before he's finished stepping through the front gates (stress, heart attack, mental breakdown or some other ambiguous, hard to prove illness with a line of well paid experts to testify to his poor health).<br> <br>

That being said, you yanks are lucky he didn't pull a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skase#Exile\_to\_Spain" title="wikipedia.org">Skase</a> [wikipedia.org]. Don't give him back his passport.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know why Bernie Madoff seems to be very complacent about the whole thing ?
Because his sons got off scot-free .
Madoff is quite fine with sacrificing his freedom for the rest of his life... there are few things more [ noble ?
gratifying ? ] than sacrificing yourself for your children .
Madoff will never see the inside of a real prison .
The rich have a lot of resources to use to stay out of prison .
All Madoff has to do is drag the trial/sentencing on long enough that something else big happens and quietly buys his way to freedom .
In the off chance that the US court system works ( I could n't say that with a straight face ) he 'll be out on a medical release before he 's finished stepping through the front gates ( stress , heart attack , mental breakdown or some other ambiguous , hard to prove illness with a line of well paid experts to testify to his poor health ) .
That being said , you yanks are lucky he did n't pull a Skase [ wikipedia.org ] .
Do n't give him back his passport .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know why Bernie Madoff seems to be very complacent about the whole thing?
Because his sons got off scot-free.
Madoff is quite fine with sacrificing his freedom for the rest of his life... there are few things more [noble?
gratifying?] than sacrificing yourself for your children.
Madoff will never see the inside of a real prison.
The rich have a lot of resources to use to stay out of prison.
All Madoff has to do is drag the trial/sentencing on long enough that something else big happens and quietly buys his way to freedom.
In the off chance that the US court system works (I couldn't say that with a straight face) he'll be out on a medical release before he's finished stepping through the front gates (stress, heart attack, mental breakdown or some other ambiguous, hard to prove illness with a line of well paid experts to testify to his poor health).
That being said, you yanks are lucky he didn't pull a Skase [wikipedia.org].
Don't give him back his passport.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523277</id>
	<title>I hope they discover immortality next year</title>
	<author>smchris</author>
	<datestamp>1246288200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"A hundred and forty-eight years on the wall,<br>A hundred and forty-eight years,<br>If one of those years should happen to fall,<br>A hundred and forty-seven years on the wall."</p><p>[Repeat into the 23rd century]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A hundred and forty-eight years on the wall,A hundred and forty-eight years,If one of those years should happen to fall,A hundred and forty-seven years on the wall .
" [ Repeat into the 23rd century ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A hundred and forty-eight years on the wall,A hundred and forty-eight years,If one of those years should happen to fall,A hundred and forty-seven years on the wall.
"[Repeat into the 23rd century]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522107</id>
	<title>I see a Shawshank Redemption coming up</title>
	<author>PingXao</author>
	<datestamp>1246280940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey Bernie, why don't you tell me where you <i>really</i> hid the money?  Scummer.  I hope they get his family members who were in on it too some day, along with his SEC enablers.  The<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.gov also settled the case against his wife (former bookkeeper who knew <i>exactly</i> what was going on).  They let her keep $2.5 million.  Such a deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey Bernie , why do n't you tell me where you really hid the money ?
Scummer. I hope they get his family members who were in on it too some day , along with his SEC enablers .
The .gov also settled the case against his wife ( former bookkeeper who knew exactly what was going on ) .
They let her keep $ 2.5 million .
Such a deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey Bernie, why don't you tell me where you really hid the money?
Scummer.  I hope they get his family members who were in on it too some day, along with his SEC enablers.
The .gov also settled the case against his wife (former bookkeeper who knew exactly what was going on).
They let her keep $2.5 million.
Such a deal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522845</id>
	<title>Easy to get out of it</title>
	<author>tie\_guy\_matt</author>
	<datestamp>1246285080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He just needs to find a couple of inmates that are willing to do a couple more years of his jail time in order to be part of his plan. Those inmates need to find more people willing to do a couple more years of the jail time of all the people who got into the scheme before them, and those inmates need to get even more inmates willing to do more jail time. Soon Madoff will have enough sucker... I mean inmates to cover his time. Of course the last person in will need to do like 10000 years of jail time but then it will be up to the government to figure out how to keep the last inmate alive for that long.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He just needs to find a couple of inmates that are willing to do a couple more years of his jail time in order to be part of his plan .
Those inmates need to find more people willing to do a couple more years of the jail time of all the people who got into the scheme before them , and those inmates need to get even more inmates willing to do more jail time .
Soon Madoff will have enough sucker... I mean inmates to cover his time .
Of course the last person in will need to do like 10000 years of jail time but then it will be up to the government to figure out how to keep the last inmate alive for that long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He just needs to find a couple of inmates that are willing to do a couple more years of his jail time in order to be part of his plan.
Those inmates need to find more people willing to do a couple more years of the jail time of all the people who got into the scheme before them, and those inmates need to get even more inmates willing to do more jail time.
Soon Madoff will have enough sucker... I mean inmates to cover his time.
Of course the last person in will need to do like 10000 years of jail time but then it will be up to the government to figure out how to keep the last inmate alive for that long.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522391</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED! You Are So Wrong...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246282320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heh, that's actually pretty funny. Who were the idiots you worked for, and how were you stupid enough to get caught up with them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh , that 's actually pretty funny .
Who were the idiots you worked for , and how were you stupid enough to get caught up with them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh, that's actually pretty funny.
Who were the idiots you worked for, and how were you stupid enough to get caught up with them?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521699</id>
	<title>News For Nerds??!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246278720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>C'mon now.. what the fuck does this have to with my rights online??!<br>Oh wait, it's kdawson, using slashdot as his personal blog, yet again.</p><p>I understand it now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>C'mon now.. what the fuck does this have to with my rights online ? ?
! Oh wait , it 's kdawson , using slashdot as his personal blog , yet again.I understand it now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C'mon now.. what the fuck does this have to with my rights online??
!Oh wait, it's kdawson, using slashdot as his personal blog, yet again.I understand it now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521859</id>
	<title>Madoff is not the only one with greed</title>
	<author>microbee</author>
	<datestamp>1246279560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about all the clients who did everything they could to have the privilege of being Madoff's clients? I mean heck what were they thinking while they saw their accounts having unbelievable returns? They might as well take some responsibilities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about all the clients who did everything they could to have the privilege of being Madoff 's clients ?
I mean heck what were they thinking while they saw their accounts having unbelievable returns ?
They might as well take some responsibilities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about all the clients who did everything they could to have the privilege of being Madoff's clients?
I mean heck what were they thinking while they saw their accounts having unbelievable returns?
They might as well take some responsibilities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522755</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is content</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1246284420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You know why Bernie Madoff seems to be very complacent about the whole thing?</p> </div><p>Jail is only scary to people who are prone to intimidation.  After a while you grow up, get over your fears, and jail is just a consequence that you need to face.  I am not afraid of jail, in certain circumstances I am willing to risk it.  At some point, you need to start doing things because you have an internal morality, not because you are afraid of their legality.  The people in Iran are a great example of this.  Anyone who participates in civil disobedience understand this.<br> <br>
Madoff knew what the end result would be when he started down this path nearly 20 years ago.  He had plenty of time to get used to the idea of what was going to happen.  And now that it is happening, he's ready for it.  No reason to not be complacent.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know why Bernie Madoff seems to be very complacent about the whole thing ?
Jail is only scary to people who are prone to intimidation .
After a while you grow up , get over your fears , and jail is just a consequence that you need to face .
I am not afraid of jail , in certain circumstances I am willing to risk it .
At some point , you need to start doing things because you have an internal morality , not because you are afraid of their legality .
The people in Iran are a great example of this .
Anyone who participates in civil disobedience understand this .
Madoff knew what the end result would be when he started down this path nearly 20 years ago .
He had plenty of time to get used to the idea of what was going to happen .
And now that it is happening , he 's ready for it .
No reason to not be complacent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know why Bernie Madoff seems to be very complacent about the whole thing?
Jail is only scary to people who are prone to intimidation.
After a while you grow up, get over your fears, and jail is just a consequence that you need to face.
I am not afraid of jail, in certain circumstances I am willing to risk it.
At some point, you need to start doing things because you have an internal morality, not because you are afraid of their legality.
The people in Iran are a great example of this.
Anyone who participates in civil disobedience understand this.
Madoff knew what the end result would be when he started down this path nearly 20 years ago.
He had plenty of time to get used to the idea of what was going to happen.
And now that it is happening, he's ready for it.
No reason to not be complacent.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521857</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246279560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I still believe it very unlikely that Bernie's sons didn't knowingly participate in this... or at least were aware of it</p></div></blockquote><p>

Since Madoff's fund did not make a single trade for 20 years (or was it for the fund's existance?), I find it impossible to believe they did not know, unless they collected their huge salary checks for doing precisely nothing. <br> <br>
I wonder how that defence will fly when the son's are sued: "Your honor, members of the jury, my clients should not have to repay the millions of dollars that they received in salary, because they did nothing whatsoever to earn it."<br> <br>

But let's not forget the accountant who enabled this -- he should go away for 150 years also. That's probably more important from a deterrent perspective than Madoff going away for the rest of his life.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I still believe it very unlikely that Bernie 's sons did n't knowingly participate in this... or at least were aware of it Since Madoff 's fund did not make a single trade for 20 years ( or was it for the fund 's existance ?
) , I find it impossible to believe they did not know , unless they collected their huge salary checks for doing precisely nothing .
I wonder how that defence will fly when the son 's are sued : " Your honor , members of the jury , my clients should not have to repay the millions of dollars that they received in salary , because they did nothing whatsoever to earn it .
" But let 's not forget the accountant who enabled this -- he should go away for 150 years also .
That 's probably more important from a deterrent perspective than Madoff going away for the rest of his life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still believe it very unlikely that Bernie's sons didn't knowingly participate in this... or at least were aware of it

Since Madoff's fund did not make a single trade for 20 years (or was it for the fund's existance?
), I find it impossible to believe they did not know, unless they collected their huge salary checks for doing precisely nothing.
I wonder how that defence will fly when the son's are sued: "Your honor, members of the jury, my clients should not have to repay the millions of dollars that they received in salary, because they did nothing whatsoever to earn it.
" 

But let's not forget the accountant who enabled this -- he should go away for 150 years also.
That's probably more important from a deterrent perspective than Madoff going away for the rest of his life.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522581</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED! You Are So Wrong...</title>
	<author>carlzum</author>
	<datestamp>1246283340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can find a <a href="http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/st\_madoff\_victims\_20081215.html" title="wsj.net">list of investors</a> [wsj.net] at the WSJ's site. There are a lot of schools, pension plans, and non-profits on the list that were significantly harmed, it's not a simple case of the wealthy stealing from the wealthy.
<br> <br>
On a lighter note, Madoff has an impressive Bacon Factor of 1. The actor wouldn't confirm how much he gave Madoff, but let's hope it was way less than the $10 million Zsa Zsa Gabor claims to have lost. I shudder at the thought of the horrible movies a financially desperate Kevin Bacon would churn out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can find a list of investors [ wsj.net ] at the WSJ 's site .
There are a lot of schools , pension plans , and non-profits on the list that were significantly harmed , it 's not a simple case of the wealthy stealing from the wealthy .
On a lighter note , Madoff has an impressive Bacon Factor of 1 .
The actor would n't confirm how much he gave Madoff , but let 's hope it was way less than the $ 10 million Zsa Zsa Gabor claims to have lost .
I shudder at the thought of the horrible movies a financially desperate Kevin Bacon would churn out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can find a list of investors [wsj.net] at the WSJ's site.
There are a lot of schools, pension plans, and non-profits on the list that were significantly harmed, it's not a simple case of the wealthy stealing from the wealthy.
On a lighter note, Madoff has an impressive Bacon Factor of 1.
The actor wouldn't confirm how much he gave Madoff, but let's hope it was way less than the $10 million Zsa Zsa Gabor claims to have lost.
I shudder at the thought of the horrible movies a financially desperate Kevin Bacon would churn out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522879</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED! You Are So Wrong...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1246285380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What GP meant, was not, that you would not care, but that the public, as a whole, could not care less.<br>That you lost your job over it, is exactly the sad thing that he wanted to point out that it is ignored.</p><p>I hope you can/could find a new job, man! And hopefully with a more wise boss.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What GP meant , was not , that you would not care , but that the public , as a whole , could not care less.That you lost your job over it , is exactly the sad thing that he wanted to point out that it is ignored.I hope you can/could find a new job , man !
And hopefully with a more wise boss .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What GP meant, was not, that you would not care, but that the public, as a whole, could not care less.That you lost your job over it, is exactly the sad thing that he wanted to point out that it is ignored.I hope you can/could find a new job, man!
And hopefully with a more wise boss.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522351</id>
	<title>Re:Tag "republicans"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246282080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe the tag is some kind of complaint against "The System" under which Madoff profited that the Republicans "allowed" to happen. Whatever that means.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the tag is some kind of complaint against " The System " under which Madoff profited that the Republicans " allowed " to happen .
Whatever that means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe the tag is some kind of complaint against "The System" under which Madoff profited that the Republicans "allowed" to happen.
Whatever that means.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521843</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246279440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now that's absolutely fucking bullshit. How many real heads of police do you actually know? They make your average corner crack dealing baby rapist look like a fucking saint.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now that 's absolutely fucking bullshit .
How many real heads of police do you actually know ?
They make your average corner crack dealing baby rapist look like a fucking saint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now that's absolutely fucking bullshit.
How many real heads of police do you actually know?
They make your average corner crack dealing baby rapist look like a fucking saint.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523295</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>atrocious cowpat</author>
	<datestamp>1246288320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm not sure you're aware of how the world of high-finance works. There have been hedge funds handling over $10B with FIVE employees. Seriously.</p></div> </blockquote><p>I'm not exactly doubting you (in 2009 sadly someting like this sounds all too believable), yet I'd rather have some (reliable, checkable) corroboration (i.e.: links) for that statement of yours. It was, after all, blindly believing in credible (but unchecked) statements from one trusted guy that got all those investors into the mess they're in.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure you 're aware of how the world of high-finance works .
There have been hedge funds handling over $ 10B with FIVE employees .
Seriously. I 'm not exactly doubting you ( in 2009 sadly someting like this sounds all too believable ) , yet I 'd rather have some ( reliable , checkable ) corroboration ( i.e .
: links ) for that statement of yours .
It was , after all , blindly believing in credible ( but unchecked ) statements from one trusted guy that got all those investors into the mess they 're in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure you're aware of how the world of high-finance works.
There have been hedge funds handling over $10B with FIVE employees.
Seriously. I'm not exactly doubting you (in 2009 sadly someting like this sounds all too believable), yet I'd rather have some (reliable, checkable) corroboration (i.e.
: links) for that statement of yours.
It was, after all, blindly believing in credible (but unchecked) statements from one trusted guy that got all those investors into the mess they're in.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522591</id>
	<title>What did he do with $65 BILLION??</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1246283400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean, If I would have had 65 billion dollars, you could bet your mom and your life on the fact, that I would have had such a great incredible and crazy life, that I would not care if they kill or imprison me. Oh, realistically, they would not get me alive anyway.</p><p>Then again, I may not be as boring as he is. ^^</p><p>65 BILLION. Imagine... Just imagine that. Even space and nuclear warheads on rockets would be an option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , If I would have had 65 billion dollars , you could bet your mom and your life on the fact , that I would have had such a great incredible and crazy life , that I would not care if they kill or imprison me .
Oh , realistically , they would not get me alive anyway.Then again , I may not be as boring as he is .
^ ^ 65 BILLION .
Imagine... Just imagine that .
Even space and nuclear warheads on rockets would be an option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, If I would have had 65 billion dollars, you could bet your mom and your life on the fact, that I would have had such a great incredible and crazy life, that I would not care if they kill or imprison me.
Oh, realistically, they would not get me alive anyway.Then again, I may not be as boring as he is.
^^65 BILLION.
Imagine... Just imagine that.
Even space and nuclear warheads on rockets would be an option.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521479</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>moon3</author>
	<datestamp>1246277640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because he was a former head of Nasdaq. He was one of the rule makers. You do not expect the head of the major exchange to be a Ponzi schemer. Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because he was a former head of Nasdaq .
He was one of the rule makers .
You do not expect the head of the major exchange to be a Ponzi schemer .
Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because he was a former head of Nasdaq.
He was one of the rule makers.
You do not expect the head of the major exchange to be a Ponzi schemer.
Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522899</id>
	<title>The Real Crooks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246285620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Awesome Rolling Stone article linked below on the real crooks behind most of this.  Nothing is happening to them...and the way things look nothing will.  Welcome to the new America.  Bernie was an easy fall guy.  Try putting the executhieves from the past 15 years of Goldman Sachs in jail for all of the securities fraud and Ponzi schemes they have and continue to pull!  You would probably be met by business end of an M-16 by our own military.  They have wiped out trillions from people of all walks of life all over the globe. Think it is only conspiracy theory?  Read the article.</p><p><a href="http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/goldman-sachs-engineering-every-major.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/goldman-sachs-engineering-every-major.html</a> [blogspot.com]</p><p>Enjoy!</p><p>P.S.  I am not affiliated with Rolling Stone magazine.  That said, for clearer text and to support the author and magazine for taking a stand, please get a copy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Awesome Rolling Stone article linked below on the real crooks behind most of this .
Nothing is happening to them...and the way things look nothing will .
Welcome to the new America .
Bernie was an easy fall guy .
Try putting the executhieves from the past 15 years of Goldman Sachs in jail for all of the securities fraud and Ponzi schemes they have and continue to pull !
You would probably be met by business end of an M-16 by our own military .
They have wiped out trillions from people of all walks of life all over the globe .
Think it is only conspiracy theory ?
Read the article.http : //zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/goldman-sachs-engineering-every-major.html [ blogspot.com ] Enjoy ! P.S .
I am not affiliated with Rolling Stone magazine .
That said , for clearer text and to support the author and magazine for taking a stand , please get a copy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Awesome Rolling Stone article linked below on the real crooks behind most of this.
Nothing is happening to them...and the way things look nothing will.
Welcome to the new America.
Bernie was an easy fall guy.
Try putting the executhieves from the past 15 years of Goldman Sachs in jail for all of the securities fraud and Ponzi schemes they have and continue to pull!
You would probably be met by business end of an M-16 by our own military.
They have wiped out trillions from people of all walks of life all over the globe.
Think it is only conspiracy theory?
Read the article.http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/goldman-sachs-engineering-every-major.html [blogspot.com]Enjoy!P.S.
I am not affiliated with Rolling Stone magazine.
That said, for clearer text and to support the author and magazine for taking a stand, please get a copy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28526327</id>
	<title>Tying up loose ends</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246365360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bernie is a very smart man and must know more than he's telling.  He knows this and so do those whom he worked with on this scheme.  He must also know that he's a dead man now that he's the "only" person involved.  I wonder just how long he will last in that fancy pants prison?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bernie is a very smart man and must know more than he 's telling .
He knows this and so do those whom he worked with on this scheme .
He must also know that he 's a dead man now that he 's the " only " person involved .
I wonder just how long he will last in that fancy pants prison ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bernie is a very smart man and must know more than he's telling.
He knows this and so do those whom he worked with on this scheme.
He must also know that he's a dead man now that he's the "only" person involved.
I wonder just how long he will last in that fancy pants prison?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525433</id>
	<title>Well, what did you expect...?</title>
	<author>GrahamCox</author>
	<datestamp>1246353360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What did you expect to happen to your money given to a man named Madoff. I assume it's pronounced with a long 'a'...</htmltext>
<tokenext>What did you expect to happen to your money given to a man named Madoff .
I assume it 's pronounced with a long 'a'.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What did you expect to happen to your money given to a man named Madoff.
I assume it's pronounced with a long 'a'...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28524929</id>
	<title>Comparison</title>
	<author>csrster</author>
	<datestamp>1246304160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The yanks can be brutal, eh<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)
<p>
Here in Denmark, "the Danish Bernie Madoff", Stein Bagger, just got 7 years. Of course he only
swindled about 150 <em>million</em> dollars, so proportionately he got off worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The yanks can be brutal , eh : - ) Here in Denmark , " the Danish Bernie Madoff " , Stein Bagger , just got 7 years .
Of course he only swindled about 150 million dollars , so proportionately he got off worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The yanks can be brutal, eh :-)

Here in Denmark, "the Danish Bernie Madoff", Stein Bagger, just got 7 years.
Of course he only
swindled about 150 million dollars, so proportionately he got off worse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28528953</id>
	<title>150 ? was that really the best thing?</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246379160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What we have is a non violent crime. And now we get to pay for his incaqrceration for 10-15 years. I wouldn't think he will live much longer past that.</p><p>How about we strip all his assets, bar him from making investments or working in the financial sector, and make him a felon.</p><p>This seems cheaper and more just.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What we have is a non violent crime .
And now we get to pay for his incaqrceration for 10-15 years .
I would n't think he will live much longer past that.How about we strip all his assets , bar him from making investments or working in the financial sector , and make him a felon.This seems cheaper and more just .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What we have is a non violent crime.
And now we get to pay for his incaqrceration for 10-15 years.
I wouldn't think he will live much longer past that.How about we strip all his assets, bar him from making investments or working in the financial sector, and make him a felon.This seems cheaper and more just.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521569</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1246278060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>There must have been dozens to hundreds of people orchestrating this. But it's ok, we'll pin it all on one guy and see how gullible the public is. This guy is up there with the Lee Harvey Oswalds of patsies.</p></div></blockquote><p>I'm not sure you're aware of how the world of high-finance works.  There have been hedge funds handling over $10B with FIVE employees.  Seriously.  <br> <br>I think it's very likely that there were others in-the-know.  But they probably worked out a plea to provide documentation to nail the case against Madoff, which is why they won't be prosecuted.  Or Madoff is looking for redemption after perpetrating this fraud, and decided to shoulder the rap for everyone else involved.  I think the last option is the most likely, and I think that his sons were who he was protecting.<br> <br>But it doesn't really matter, does it?  These were the extremely wealthy who were conned.  As long as someone gets hanged (or imprisoned forever) we don't care.  Hell, look at the swindling by Enron execs... that directly affected the retirement savings of millions of people, and in the end, we didn't really care.<br> <br>As far as the general public is concerned, it's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the wealthy.  That's business by another name.  And it's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the poor -- that's business as usual.  All we really care about is when the poor steal from the wealthy, because we always look down on those poorer than us, we like to imagine ourselves as wealthy, and so when the poor steal, it's an affront to our ideals.<br> <br>Anyway, I'm rambling a bit... so I'll just sum up by saying: Yes, others were likely involved.  Yes, he took the fall.  But no one cares, as long as there's a spectacle.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There must have been dozens to hundreds of people orchestrating this .
But it 's ok , we 'll pin it all on one guy and see how gullible the public is .
This guy is up there with the Lee Harvey Oswalds of patsies.I 'm not sure you 're aware of how the world of high-finance works .
There have been hedge funds handling over $ 10B with FIVE employees .
Seriously. I think it 's very likely that there were others in-the-know .
But they probably worked out a plea to provide documentation to nail the case against Madoff , which is why they wo n't be prosecuted .
Or Madoff is looking for redemption after perpetrating this fraud , and decided to shoulder the rap for everyone else involved .
I think the last option is the most likely , and I think that his sons were who he was protecting .
But it does n't really matter , does it ?
These were the extremely wealthy who were conned .
As long as someone gets hanged ( or imprisoned forever ) we do n't care .
Hell , look at the swindling by Enron execs... that directly affected the retirement savings of millions of people , and in the end , we did n't really care .
As far as the general public is concerned , it 's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the wealthy .
That 's business by another name .
And it 's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the poor -- that 's business as usual .
All we really care about is when the poor steal from the wealthy , because we always look down on those poorer than us , we like to imagine ourselves as wealthy , and so when the poor steal , it 's an affront to our ideals .
Anyway , I 'm rambling a bit... so I 'll just sum up by saying : Yes , others were likely involved .
Yes , he took the fall .
But no one cares , as long as there 's a spectacle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There must have been dozens to hundreds of people orchestrating this.
But it's ok, we'll pin it all on one guy and see how gullible the public is.
This guy is up there with the Lee Harvey Oswalds of patsies.I'm not sure you're aware of how the world of high-finance works.
There have been hedge funds handling over $10B with FIVE employees.
Seriously.   I think it's very likely that there were others in-the-know.
But they probably worked out a plea to provide documentation to nail the case against Madoff, which is why they won't be prosecuted.
Or Madoff is looking for redemption after perpetrating this fraud, and decided to shoulder the rap for everyone else involved.
I think the last option is the most likely, and I think that his sons were who he was protecting.
But it doesn't really matter, does it?
These were the extremely wealthy who were conned.
As long as someone gets hanged (or imprisoned forever) we don't care.
Hell, look at the swindling by Enron execs... that directly affected the retirement savings of millions of people, and in the end, we didn't really care.
As far as the general public is concerned, it's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the wealthy.
That's business by another name.
And it's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the poor -- that's business as usual.
All we really care about is when the poor steal from the wealthy, because we always look down on those poorer than us, we like to imagine ourselves as wealthy, and so when the poor steal, it's an affront to our ideals.
Anyway, I'm rambling a bit... so I'll just sum up by saying: Yes, others were likely involved.
Yes, he took the fall.
But no one cares, as long as there's a spectacle.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28531667</id>
	<title>Re:Self delusion is a powerful force</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1246387200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry, why does it take serious economic knowledge to run Nasdaq?  Running it doesn't involve trading.  All it takes is knowing how to run a business and how to hire the people that know how to do the work that needs to be done.</p><p>The guy 'in charge' at any large well off company is never the guy with the most knowledge about what they do, he's the guy who hires the people with the knowledge about what they do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry , why does it take serious economic knowledge to run Nasdaq ?
Running it does n't involve trading .
All it takes is knowing how to run a business and how to hire the people that know how to do the work that needs to be done.The guy 'in charge ' at any large well off company is never the guy with the most knowledge about what they do , he 's the guy who hires the people with the knowledge about what they do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry, why does it take serious economic knowledge to run Nasdaq?
Running it doesn't involve trading.
All it takes is knowing how to run a business and how to hire the people that know how to do the work that needs to be done.The guy 'in charge' at any large well off company is never the guy with the most knowledge about what they do, he's the guy who hires the people with the knowledge about what they do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522475</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522295</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1246281840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, they were appointed  by Get-The-Government-Off-Our-Backs politicos.  BTW,  who did your vote for  in 2000?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , they were appointed by Get-The-Government-Off-Our-Backs politicos .
BTW , who did your vote for in 2000 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, they were appointed  by Get-The-Government-Off-Our-Backs politicos.
BTW,  who did your vote for  in 2000?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521391</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522281</id>
	<title>Re:Tag "republicans"</title>
	<author>DigiShaman</author>
	<datestamp>1246281780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't be an idiot. This *is* Slashdot after all. Revealing the truth (and facts) is like showing a group of Vampire's the Cross.</p><p>Sir, I highly recommend you don't go Vampire hunting anymore. Not around here anyways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't be an idiot .
This * is * Slashdot after all .
Revealing the truth ( and facts ) is like showing a group of Vampire 's the Cross.Sir , I highly recommend you do n't go Vampire hunting anymore .
Not around here anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't be an idiot.
This *is* Slashdot after all.
Revealing the truth (and facts) is like showing a group of Vampire's the Cross.Sir, I highly recommend you don't go Vampire hunting anymore.
Not around here anyways.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28526019</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1246361580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hedge fonds are one thing, they are at least officially legal (albeit a crime against business, but who cares anymore?), what he did was quite blatantly a crime. Anyone who checked his books at least halfway throughly would have seen at the very least that SOMETHING is fishy. You don't make the same profits no matter how the markets fare (actually, the worse the rest of the stocks work the better you perform... does that sound like you're working the same markets everyone else does?).</p><p>I am actually (nearly... call me dumb for not taking that final test and finishing) a bank auditor. You cannot overlook something like this (and other things like his trading habits... or the lack thereof) when you prod at his books. Unless you are either even less of an auditor than I wanted to be or you have a good reason not to look too closely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hedge fonds are one thing , they are at least officially legal ( albeit a crime against business , but who cares anymore ?
) , what he did was quite blatantly a crime .
Anyone who checked his books at least halfway throughly would have seen at the very least that SOMETHING is fishy .
You do n't make the same profits no matter how the markets fare ( actually , the worse the rest of the stocks work the better you perform... does that sound like you 're working the same markets everyone else does ?
) .I am actually ( nearly... call me dumb for not taking that final test and finishing ) a bank auditor .
You can not overlook something like this ( and other things like his trading habits... or the lack thereof ) when you prod at his books .
Unless you are either even less of an auditor than I wanted to be or you have a good reason not to look too closely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hedge fonds are one thing, they are at least officially legal (albeit a crime against business, but who cares anymore?
), what he did was quite blatantly a crime.
Anyone who checked his books at least halfway throughly would have seen at the very least that SOMETHING is fishy.
You don't make the same profits no matter how the markets fare (actually, the worse the rest of the stocks work the better you perform... does that sound like you're working the same markets everyone else does?
).I am actually (nearly... call me dumb for not taking that final test and finishing) a bank auditor.
You cannot overlook something like this (and other things like his trading habits... or the lack thereof) when you prod at his books.
Unless you are either even less of an auditor than I wanted to be or you have a good reason not to look too closely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522569</id>
	<title>Re:Last thing to do</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246283280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, don't go last!  Everyone knows if you don't get into these "first post" pyramid schemes early, you lose everything!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , do n't go last !
Everyone knows if you do n't get into these " first post " pyramid schemes early , you lose everything !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, don't go last!
Everyone knows if you don't get into these "first post" pyramid schemes early, you lose everything!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28527735</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246374180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer.</p></div><p>It turns out that the incidence of criminal behavior among police is almost identical to the incidence of criminal behavior among civilians. You hear about it less often because the police is such a small population, and you hear about it loudly because they are supposed to be extra-trustworthy.  Go figure: people are people.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer.It turns out that the incidence of criminal behavior among police is almost identical to the incidence of criminal behavior among civilians .
You hear about it less often because the police is such a small population , and you hear about it loudly because they are supposed to be extra-trustworthy .
Go figure : people are people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer.It turns out that the incidence of criminal behavior among police is almost identical to the incidence of criminal behavior among civilians.
You hear about it less often because the police is such a small population, and you hear about it loudly because they are supposed to be extra-trustworthy.
Go figure: people are people.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523809</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1246292760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because he was a former head of Nasdaq. He was one of the rule makers. You do not expect the head of the major exchange to be a Ponzi schemer. Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer.</p></div><p>These days, those are precisely the kind of people I'm the most suspicious of.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because he was a former head of Nasdaq .
He was one of the rule makers .
You do not expect the head of the major exchange to be a Ponzi schemer .
Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer.These days , those are precisely the kind of people I 'm the most suspicious of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because he was a former head of Nasdaq.
He was one of the rule makers.
You do not expect the head of the major exchange to be a Ponzi schemer.
Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer.These days, those are precisely the kind of people I'm the most suspicious of.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522477</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Bad Trade</title>
	<author>demachina</author>
	<datestamp>1246282740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"read and relax where he is safe"</p><p>They haven't decided where he is serving his sentence yet.  If its a minimum security country club prison your assessment might be correct.  If it a real federal penitentiary with violent criminals it might not be so safe or easy.  There are also more than a few people who might wish him harm and people can be harmed in prison for a price.</p><p>All in all I really don't feel any sympathy for his victims.  To me it was a greedy crook fleecing greedy people who were borderline themselves.  It is more than a little unrealistic to expect 10-12\% annual returns year after year with no risk.  You can make a LOT of money compounding at that rate.  Getting that kind of annual return pretty much always entails high risk.  There is an old saying you should be very afraid when you are making a lot of money because its usually too good to be true and wont last, and you can make a lot of money when everyone else is afraid.</p><p>His victims were in a lot of ways just as greedy as he was. His feeder funds and victims must have suspected it was fishy, but went along as long as they got theirs out of it.  They mostly seem to have thought they were special and privileged and deserved to get returns ordinary people couldn't.  I feel no sympathy for people like that.  They gambled in the casino Wall Street has turned in to and lost.  Tough luck, nothing to see here and time to move on. Stop crying.  Your own fault you put all your money in to an investment that was too good to be true.</p><p>About the only good thing that could come out of it is to compel meaningful reform and regulation of Wall Steet and and all indications are that isn't going to happen.  Wall Street is rapidly going back to business as usual.  Wall Street cost people like 14 trillion in wealth in the last collapse and most of it was due to criminal fraud and Ponzi schemes just as bad as Madoff and very few of those fat cats are going to jail.  Obama and Geitner's proposed reforms are toothless.</p><p>I saw in passing a week or so some British lord and financial type was testifying in front of an EU commission.  His take was the big banks and hedge funds were threatening regulators with blackmail. If the EU and the US go too far with regulation, they would move to Switzerland or the Caribbean and take their money with them.  His take was the fat cats were racing to get back to were they were in 2006, demanding ridiculously high compensation, resuming the high risk investments, undermining reforms and he fully expects another bubble and collapse in 10 or 15 years. The tax payers and ordinary Joe's will be screwed again and the rich will just keep getting richer.  It seems almost inevitable because the banks conned all their governments in to bailing them out.  The essential concept of moral hazard has been completely undermined.  The fat cats now know they can gamble and take all the winnings and when they lose taxpayers will take all the losses.  If the banks were "too big to fail" before its even worse now because due to the forced mergers of the last year America three biggest banks are now bigger than ever.  JP Morgan, B of A and Citibank are now the three largest banks in the world based on tier 1 capital due to mergers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" read and relax where he is safe " They have n't decided where he is serving his sentence yet .
If its a minimum security country club prison your assessment might be correct .
If it a real federal penitentiary with violent criminals it might not be so safe or easy .
There are also more than a few people who might wish him harm and people can be harmed in prison for a price.All in all I really do n't feel any sympathy for his victims .
To me it was a greedy crook fleecing greedy people who were borderline themselves .
It is more than a little unrealistic to expect 10-12 \ % annual returns year after year with no risk .
You can make a LOT of money compounding at that rate .
Getting that kind of annual return pretty much always entails high risk .
There is an old saying you should be very afraid when you are making a lot of money because its usually too good to be true and wont last , and you can make a lot of money when everyone else is afraid.His victims were in a lot of ways just as greedy as he was .
His feeder funds and victims must have suspected it was fishy , but went along as long as they got theirs out of it .
They mostly seem to have thought they were special and privileged and deserved to get returns ordinary people could n't .
I feel no sympathy for people like that .
They gambled in the casino Wall Street has turned in to and lost .
Tough luck , nothing to see here and time to move on .
Stop crying .
Your own fault you put all your money in to an investment that was too good to be true.About the only good thing that could come out of it is to compel meaningful reform and regulation of Wall Steet and and all indications are that is n't going to happen .
Wall Street is rapidly going back to business as usual .
Wall Street cost people like 14 trillion in wealth in the last collapse and most of it was due to criminal fraud and Ponzi schemes just as bad as Madoff and very few of those fat cats are going to jail .
Obama and Geitner 's proposed reforms are toothless.I saw in passing a week or so some British lord and financial type was testifying in front of an EU commission .
His take was the big banks and hedge funds were threatening regulators with blackmail .
If the EU and the US go too far with regulation , they would move to Switzerland or the Caribbean and take their money with them .
His take was the fat cats were racing to get back to were they were in 2006 , demanding ridiculously high compensation , resuming the high risk investments , undermining reforms and he fully expects another bubble and collapse in 10 or 15 years .
The tax payers and ordinary Joe 's will be screwed again and the rich will just keep getting richer .
It seems almost inevitable because the banks conned all their governments in to bailing them out .
The essential concept of moral hazard has been completely undermined .
The fat cats now know they can gamble and take all the winnings and when they lose taxpayers will take all the losses .
If the banks were " too big to fail " before its even worse now because due to the forced mergers of the last year America three biggest banks are now bigger than ever .
JP Morgan , B of A and Citibank are now the three largest banks in the world based on tier 1 capital due to mergers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"read and relax where he is safe"They haven't decided where he is serving his sentence yet.
If its a minimum security country club prison your assessment might be correct.
If it a real federal penitentiary with violent criminals it might not be so safe or easy.
There are also more than a few people who might wish him harm and people can be harmed in prison for a price.All in all I really don't feel any sympathy for his victims.
To me it was a greedy crook fleecing greedy people who were borderline themselves.
It is more than a little unrealistic to expect 10-12\% annual returns year after year with no risk.
You can make a LOT of money compounding at that rate.
Getting that kind of annual return pretty much always entails high risk.
There is an old saying you should be very afraid when you are making a lot of money because its usually too good to be true and wont last, and you can make a lot of money when everyone else is afraid.His victims were in a lot of ways just as greedy as he was.
His feeder funds and victims must have suspected it was fishy, but went along as long as they got theirs out of it.
They mostly seem to have thought they were special and privileged and deserved to get returns ordinary people couldn't.
I feel no sympathy for people like that.
They gambled in the casino Wall Street has turned in to and lost.
Tough luck, nothing to see here and time to move on.
Stop crying.
Your own fault you put all your money in to an investment that was too good to be true.About the only good thing that could come out of it is to compel meaningful reform and regulation of Wall Steet and and all indications are that isn't going to happen.
Wall Street is rapidly going back to business as usual.
Wall Street cost people like 14 trillion in wealth in the last collapse and most of it was due to criminal fraud and Ponzi schemes just as bad as Madoff and very few of those fat cats are going to jail.
Obama and Geitner's proposed reforms are toothless.I saw in passing a week or so some British lord and financial type was testifying in front of an EU commission.
His take was the big banks and hedge funds were threatening regulators with blackmail.
If the EU and the US go too far with regulation, they would move to Switzerland or the Caribbean and take their money with them.
His take was the fat cats were racing to get back to were they were in 2006, demanding ridiculously high compensation, resuming the high risk investments, undermining reforms and he fully expects another bubble and collapse in 10 or 15 years.
The tax payers and ordinary Joe's will be screwed again and the rich will just keep getting richer.
It seems almost inevitable because the banks conned all their governments in to bailing them out.
The essential concept of moral hazard has been completely undermined.
The fat cats now know they can gamble and take all the winnings and when they lose taxpayers will take all the losses.
If the banks were "too big to fail" before its even worse now because due to the forced mergers of the last year America three biggest banks are now bigger than ever.
JP Morgan, B of A and Citibank are now the three largest banks in the world based on tier 1 capital due to mergers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523441</id>
	<title>The one good thing about this...</title>
	<author>Cormophyte</author>
	<datestamp>1246289280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...is that prison will be able to provide true justice in this case. There comes a time where you have to cut your losses. There's no way to make things right, so we have to try to make him truly understand what he's done and to feel remorse for what he's done to people who had just as much of a right to be happy as he did, and from whom he stole that possibility.</p><p>What better path to that realization than buttsecks? Lots and lots of sweaty buttsecks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...is that prison will be able to provide true justice in this case .
There comes a time where you have to cut your losses .
There 's no way to make things right , so we have to try to make him truly understand what he 's done and to feel remorse for what he 's done to people who had just as much of a right to be happy as he did , and from whom he stole that possibility.What better path to that realization than buttsecks ?
Lots and lots of sweaty buttsecks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is that prison will be able to provide true justice in this case.
There comes a time where you have to cut your losses.
There's no way to make things right, so we have to try to make him truly understand what he's done and to feel remorse for what he's done to people who had just as much of a right to be happy as he did, and from whom he stole that possibility.What better path to that realization than buttsecks?
Lots and lots of sweaty buttsecks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523015</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1246286280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He was talking about it not mattering from the perspective of the general public's reaction and outrage.  He was explaining why we let a patsy like Madoff take the rap and that's it.  And he's right.  Yes people get mad, and the people directly affected by it stay mad, but the rest of the country just kinda shrugs and moves on.  Same with Enron.  There just aren't the same kinds of reactions to this white-collar crime, even if it ends up being more devastating than other kinds of crime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He was talking about it not mattering from the perspective of the general public 's reaction and outrage .
He was explaining why we let a patsy like Madoff take the rap and that 's it .
And he 's right .
Yes people get mad , and the people directly affected by it stay mad , but the rest of the country just kinda shrugs and moves on .
Same with Enron .
There just are n't the same kinds of reactions to this white-collar crime , even if it ends up being more devastating than other kinds of crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He was talking about it not mattering from the perspective of the general public's reaction and outrage.
He was explaining why we let a patsy like Madoff take the rap and that's it.
And he's right.
Yes people get mad, and the people directly affected by it stay mad, but the rest of the country just kinda shrugs and moves on.
Same with Enron.
There just aren't the same kinds of reactions to this white-collar crime, even if it ends up being more devastating than other kinds of crime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522019</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1246280280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure you're aware of how Madoff supposedly worked.</p><p>He took moneys.<br>Said he invested it, but didn't.<br>Said investors had huge gains, and got more investment moneys.</p><p>He was one man acting alone with no actual financial institution backing him.</p><p>If you go to a legitimate investor, they're not operating out of their fucking house.  Those 5 guys overseeing the fund are 5 guys that work for a huge megabank.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure you 're aware of how Madoff supposedly worked.He took moneys.Said he invested it , but did n't.Said investors had huge gains , and got more investment moneys.He was one man acting alone with no actual financial institution backing him.If you go to a legitimate investor , they 're not operating out of their fucking house .
Those 5 guys overseeing the fund are 5 guys that work for a huge megabank .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure you're aware of how Madoff supposedly worked.He took moneys.Said he invested it, but didn't.Said investors had huge gains, and got more investment moneys.He was one man acting alone with no actual financial institution backing him.If you go to a legitimate investor, they're not operating out of their fucking house.
Those 5 guys overseeing the fund are 5 guys that work for a huge megabank.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522407</id>
	<title>Re:Tag "republicans"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246282440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Can I ask why this article is tagged "republicans"?</p></div> </blockquote><p>The same reason <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/24/746358/-Fox-News:-Sanford-a-Democrat" title="dailykos.com" rel="nofollow">this guy</a> [dailykos.com] is tagged (D). Except with Madoff as Mark Sanford, Republican as Democrat, and Slashdot as Fox News.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I ask why this article is tagged " republicans " ?
The same reason this guy [ dailykos.com ] is tagged ( D ) .
Except with Madoff as Mark Sanford , Republican as Democrat , and Slashdot as Fox News .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I ask why this article is tagged "republicans"?
The same reason this guy [dailykos.com] is tagged (D).
Except with Madoff as Mark Sanford, Republican as Democrat, and Slashdot as Fox News.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525567</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is content</title>
	<author>Spy Handler</author>
	<datestamp>1246355040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>10 more indictments are coming. I'm guessing/hoping his wife and sons will be on the list.<br> <br>

<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap\_on\_bi\_ge/us\_madoff\_scandal" title="yahoo.com">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap\_on\_bi\_ge/us\_madoff\_scandal</a> [yahoo.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>10 more indictments are coming .
I 'm guessing/hoping his wife and sons will be on the list .
http : //news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap \ _on \ _bi \ _ge/us \ _madoff \ _scandal [ yahoo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>10 more indictments are coming.
I'm guessing/hoping his wife and sons will be on the list.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090630/ap\_on\_bi\_ge/us\_madoff\_scandal [yahoo.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522487</id>
	<title>He still gets more!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246282800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now we victims get to pay for his room and board and medical and . . .</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now we victims get to pay for his room and board and medical and .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now we victims get to pay for his room and board and medical and .
. .</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522721</id>
	<title>Where do I sign up?</title>
	<author>Maxwell</author>
	<datestamp>1246284300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fifty years of the most luxurious lifestyle imaginable, every financial dream at your dospaoals, walthy than the ealthiest kings - without all the hassle.</p><p>Followed by 2-5 years in prison and a quiet death?</p><p>I'll take it. Where do I sign up?</p><p>Real punishment would be making him work to pay something - ANYTHING- back.  Not to the people he fleeced, who were almost as greedy, but to soceity as whole.  Now taxpayers have to pay to house and feed this guy!  Make him work as a waiter, or cold call salesman or some other crap drop until he drops dead. Every penny gets invested into a trust fund for children's education or some other noble cause.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fifty years of the most luxurious lifestyle imaginable , every financial dream at your dospaoals , walthy than the ealthiest kings - without all the hassle.Followed by 2-5 years in prison and a quiet death ? I 'll take it .
Where do I sign up ? Real punishment would be making him work to pay something - ANYTHING- back .
Not to the people he fleeced , who were almost as greedy , but to soceity as whole .
Now taxpayers have to pay to house and feed this guy !
Make him work as a waiter , or cold call salesman or some other crap drop until he drops dead .
Every penny gets invested into a trust fund for children 's education or some other noble cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fifty years of the most luxurious lifestyle imaginable, every financial dream at your dospaoals, walthy than the ealthiest kings - without all the hassle.Followed by 2-5 years in prison and a quiet death?I'll take it.
Where do I sign up?Real punishment would be making him work to pay something - ANYTHING- back.
Not to the people he fleeced, who were almost as greedy, but to soceity as whole.
Now taxpayers have to pay to house and feed this guy!
Make him work as a waiter, or cold call salesman or some other crap drop until he drops dead.
Every penny gets invested into a trust fund for children's education or some other noble cause.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521519</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246277820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hell for that matter what about all the other irresponsible jackasses that damaged far more than just rich investors? What about the politicians that enabled them? What about Greenspan? Why aren't we kicking the shit out of everyone involved?</p><p>To answer you and I both: because the rich jerks behind all this wish to sacrifice as few of their ilk as it takes to pacify the masses, not actually punish everyone involved because it's the right thing to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell for that matter what about all the other irresponsible jackasses that damaged far more than just rich investors ?
What about the politicians that enabled them ?
What about Greenspan ?
Why are n't we kicking the shit out of everyone involved ? To answer you and I both : because the rich jerks behind all this wish to sacrifice as few of their ilk as it takes to pacify the masses , not actually punish everyone involved because it 's the right thing to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell for that matter what about all the other irresponsible jackasses that damaged far more than just rich investors?
What about the politicians that enabled them?
What about Greenspan?
Why aren't we kicking the shit out of everyone involved?To answer you and I both: because the rich jerks behind all this wish to sacrifice as few of their ilk as it takes to pacify the masses, not actually punish everyone involved because it's the right thing to do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521837</id>
	<title>...and now</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246279440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We can go after the IRS, House, Senate and president for the screwing we're getting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We can go after the IRS , House , Senate and president for the screwing we 're getting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can go after the IRS, House, Senate and president for the screwing we're getting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521365</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522029</id>
	<title>Not a Bad Trade</title>
	<author>Sponge Bath</author>
	<datestamp>1246280340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The guy lives in extreme luxury based on fraud. Now, at 70 with most of his years behind him he can contemplate, read and relax where he is safe, his meals are payed for, and he gets free medical care.</p><p>I doubt he has any real regrets, just the faked remorse shown in court.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The guy lives in extreme luxury based on fraud .
Now , at 70 with most of his years behind him he can contemplate , read and relax where he is safe , his meals are payed for , and he gets free medical care.I doubt he has any real regrets , just the faked remorse shown in court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guy lives in extreme luxury based on fraud.
Now, at 70 with most of his years behind him he can contemplate, read and relax where he is safe, his meals are payed for, and he gets free medical care.I doubt he has any real regrets, just the faked remorse shown in court.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28531533</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED! You Are So Wrong...</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1246386780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You lost your job because the business you worked for was ran by an idiot.  Considering the way Madoff's scam worked, you weren't living off his scam, you were suffering the entire time.</p><p>I realize you feel you were ripped off, however indirectly.</p><p>The reality of it is however, if your business failed because of this, it was going to fail anyway.</p><p>When the survival of your business depends on how someone outside your organization invests your money, then you have already failed, its just a matter of when you close the doors at that point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You lost your job because the business you worked for was ran by an idiot .
Considering the way Madoff 's scam worked , you were n't living off his scam , you were suffering the entire time.I realize you feel you were ripped off , however indirectly.The reality of it is however , if your business failed because of this , it was going to fail anyway.When the survival of your business depends on how someone outside your organization invests your money , then you have already failed , its just a matter of when you close the doors at that point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You lost your job because the business you worked for was ran by an idiot.
Considering the way Madoff's scam worked, you weren't living off his scam, you were suffering the entire time.I realize you feel you were ripped off, however indirectly.The reality of it is however, if your business failed because of this, it was going to fail anyway.When the survival of your business depends on how someone outside your organization invests your money, then you have already failed, its just a matter of when you close the doors at that point.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521909</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28524597</id>
	<title>Bitter Antisemitism, Slashdot?  Not surprised.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246300080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More antisemitism from the Slashdot crowd.  If they wanted to do the job right, Madoff should have gotten 5 years (tops), 10 years probation and be tasked with recovering the money with market-based solutions.</p><p>Instead, you all are cheering as an old Jewish man goes to jail.  I smell 1930s Germany here and I don't like it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More antisemitism from the Slashdot crowd .
If they wanted to do the job right , Madoff should have gotten 5 years ( tops ) , 10 years probation and be tasked with recovering the money with market-based solutions.Instead , you all are cheering as an old Jewish man goes to jail .
I smell 1930s Germany here and I do n't like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More antisemitism from the Slashdot crowd.
If they wanted to do the job right, Madoff should have gotten 5 years (tops), 10 years probation and be tasked with recovering the money with market-based solutions.Instead, you all are cheering as an old Jewish man goes to jail.
I smell 1930s Germany here and I don't like it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521391</id>
	<title>Now what about</title>
	<author>al0ha</author>
	<datestamp>1246277220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>all the jackasses at the SEC that ignored data again and again which pointed to fraud and enabled him to get away with this for so many years?</htmltext>
<tokenext>all the jackasses at the SEC that ignored data again and again which pointed to fraud and enabled him to get away with this for so many years ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>all the jackasses at the SEC that ignored data again and again which pointed to fraud and enabled him to get away with this for so many years?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521911</id>
	<title>Tag "republicans"</title>
	<author>mathx314</author>
	<datestamp>1246279860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can I ask why this article is tagged "republicans"?  Bernard Madoff isn't one, since he gave 88\% of his political spending to the Democratic party (<a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/22/nation/na-madoff-hill22" title="latimes.com" rel="nofollow">source</a> [latimes.com]).  Nor is Judge Denny Chin a definite Republican (his affiliation is unknown).  Alright, so some of the victims were, and probably some of the conspirators, but there's no reason this should be tagged the way it is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I ask why this article is tagged " republicans " ?
Bernard Madoff is n't one , since he gave 88 \ % of his political spending to the Democratic party ( source [ latimes.com ] ) .
Nor is Judge Denny Chin a definite Republican ( his affiliation is unknown ) .
Alright , so some of the victims were , and probably some of the conspirators , but there 's no reason this should be tagged the way it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I ask why this article is tagged "republicans"?
Bernard Madoff isn't one, since he gave 88\% of his political spending to the Democratic party (source [latimes.com]).
Nor is Judge Denny Chin a definite Republican (his affiliation is unknown).
Alright, so some of the victims were, and probably some of the conspirators, but there's no reason this should be tagged the way it is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28526695</id>
	<title>Poor rating on parent</title>
	<author>pkbarbiedoll</author>
	<datestamp>1246368960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is righteous anger.   Madoff WILL be transferred to a min. security holding center - which is a far cry from the cell pictured elsewhere.  He'll have phone, TV, hell probably golf and god knows what else his friends in high places will provide.

Madoff got off with a slap on the wrist.  He may ought to be hanged.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is righteous anger .
Madoff WILL be transferred to a min .
security holding center - which is a far cry from the cell pictured elsewhere .
He 'll have phone , TV , hell probably golf and god knows what else his friends in high places will provide .
Madoff got off with a slap on the wrist .
He may ought to be hanged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is righteous anger.
Madoff WILL be transferred to a min.
security holding center - which is a far cry from the cell pictured elsewhere.
He'll have phone, TV, hell probably golf and god knows what else his friends in high places will provide.
Madoff got off with a slap on the wrist.
He may ought to be hanged.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523761</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525471</id>
	<title>poor bastard,</title>
	<author>Dr. Hellno</author>
	<datestamp>1246353660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>nobody wants to spend their 200th birthday in prison</htmltext>
<tokenext>nobody wants to spend their 200th birthday in prison</tokentext>
<sentencetext>nobody wants to spend their 200th birthday in prison</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522251</id>
	<title>Re:Pathetic</title>
	<author>RightSaidFred99</author>
	<datestamp>1246281600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What do you think "justice" is, dipshit?  You can call it what you want, but prison is about punishment and about prevention.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you think " justice " is , dipshit ?
You can call it what you want , but prison is about punishment and about prevention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you think "justice" is, dipshit?
You can call it what you want, but prison is about punishment and about prevention.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521757</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525903</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is content</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1246359900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And it is not at all possible that Bernie gave a few million to his sons simply because <i>they were his sons</i> and he wanted them to be happy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And it is not at all possible that Bernie gave a few million to his sons simply because they were his sons and he wanted them to be happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it is not at all possible that Bernie gave a few million to his sons simply because they were his sons and he wanted them to be happy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521857</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522603</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246283520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The SEC is always put in a very hard place.  When things are going well (read stock market up) they are told that the market will take care of everything.  Enjoy the good times.</p><p>As soon as things go bad (read down turn in market) they are the bad guy as the are supposed to do more.</p><p>I think the question that should be asked is what kind of auditing is taking place?  Does another Anderson/Enron situation exist here?  If no outside auditing is being done, do we need more regulation?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The SEC is always put in a very hard place .
When things are going well ( read stock market up ) they are told that the market will take care of everything .
Enjoy the good times.As soon as things go bad ( read down turn in market ) they are the bad guy as the are supposed to do more.I think the question that should be asked is what kind of auditing is taking place ?
Does another Anderson/Enron situation exist here ?
If no outside auditing is being done , do we need more regulation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The SEC is always put in a very hard place.
When things are going well (read stock market up) they are told that the market will take care of everything.
Enjoy the good times.As soon as things go bad (read down turn in market) they are the bad guy as the are supposed to do more.I think the question that should be asked is what kind of auditing is taking place?
Does another Anderson/Enron situation exist here?
If no outside auditing is being done, do we need more regulation?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521391</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521365</id>
	<title>Last thing to do</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246277040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last post!</p><p>-- Madoff</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last post ! -- Madoff</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last post!-- Madoff</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523787</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>bennomatic</author>
	<datestamp>1246292460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You, my friend, have clearly never seen the movie "Diva".</htmltext>
<tokenext>You , my friend , have clearly never seen the movie " Diva " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You, my friend, have clearly never seen the movie "Diva".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521479</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28526405</id>
	<title>why tagged republican :)</title>
	<author>rs232</author>
	<datestamp>1246366140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>Can I ask why this article is tagged "republicans"?</i> <br> <br>
Cause republican is a generic term for a complete anal-retentive bastard. As in hey dude, are you a republican or something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Can I ask why this article is tagged " republicans " ?
Cause republican is a generic term for a complete anal-retentive bastard .
As in hey dude , are you a republican or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Can I ask why this article is tagged "republicans"?
Cause republican is a generic term for a complete anal-retentive bastard.
As in hey dude, are you a republican or something.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522315</id>
	<title>We should send him to China.</title>
	<author>Neanderthal Ninny</author>
	<datestamp>1246281960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China allows firing squad for these types of crimes. However, dying is too good for him but letting him live in a nice white collar prison is not right. I believe that we should send him to Gitmo before it closes and consider him a terrorist so the people there can....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China allows firing squad for these types of crimes .
However , dying is too good for him but letting him live in a nice white collar prison is not right .
I believe that we should send him to Gitmo before it closes and consider him a terrorist so the people there can... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China allows firing squad for these types of crimes.
However, dying is too good for him but letting him live in a nice white collar prison is not right.
I believe that we should send him to Gitmo before it closes and consider him a terrorist so the people there can....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522043</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is content</title>
	<author>Marcika</author>
	<datestamp>1246280460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think Bernie is at least partly taking the fall for his sons.  I only wish we could find out the whole truth.</p></div><p>It is very very obvious that the sons knew. The 5+ million dollar loans that each of them received from daddy just before the arrest (never to be repaid, obviously), the sham divorce proceedings that son Andrew and is wife went through right after daddy's arrest (only to be seen splurging on shopping together just days after), the mailing-out of jewellery and other untraceable assets to the sons and the families...
That all is very obvious. (Less provable is of course the origin of the rest of their wealth... Tens of millions in real estate in Manhattan and Greenwich each, etc etc)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think Bernie is at least partly taking the fall for his sons .
I only wish we could find out the whole truth.It is very very obvious that the sons knew .
The 5 + million dollar loans that each of them received from daddy just before the arrest ( never to be repaid , obviously ) , the sham divorce proceedings that son Andrew and is wife went through right after daddy 's arrest ( only to be seen splurging on shopping together just days after ) , the mailing-out of jewellery and other untraceable assets to the sons and the families.. . That all is very obvious .
( Less provable is of course the origin of the rest of their wealth... Tens of millions in real estate in Manhattan and Greenwich each , etc etc )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think Bernie is at least partly taking the fall for his sons.
I only wish we could find out the whole truth.It is very very obvious that the sons knew.
The 5+ million dollar loans that each of them received from daddy just before the arrest (never to be repaid, obviously), the sham divorce proceedings that son Andrew and is wife went through right after daddy's arrest (only to be seen splurging on shopping together just days after), the mailing-out of jewellery and other untraceable assets to the sons and the families...
That all is very obvious.
(Less provable is of course the origin of the rest of their wealth... Tens of millions in real estate in Manhattan and Greenwich each, etc etc)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521463</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521489</id>
	<title>Tricky</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246277640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Often court judgments have more advertising value than real value. <i>"Madoff Sentenced To 150 Years"</i> should be "A 71-year-old man was sentenced to about 15 years, his normal lifetime".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Often court judgments have more advertising value than real value .
" Madoff Sentenced To 150 Years " should be " A 71-year-old man was sentenced to about 15 years , his normal lifetime " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Often court judgments have more advertising value than real value.
"Madoff Sentenced To 150 Years" should be "A 71-year-old man was sentenced to about 15 years, his normal lifetime".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521373</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525351</id>
	<title>Dd anyone buy his apology?</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1246395480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought it was awfully late for that pig fucker to grow a conscience. He certainly didn't show any such regard for the people whose lives he was going to ruin while he was living his life of lavish luxury. Most of us will never see a fraction of what he had. The people he defrauded will be lucky if they don't end up homeless because of his actions. I think he wasn't sorry he did those things. I think he's sorry he got caught. No punishment that we could come up with could possibly make up for that. Although I tend to atheism, it's guys like this that make me hope that I'm wrong and that there <i>is</i> actually a Hell, even though I'd be joining him there eventually as a nonbeliever. I'd have a few suggestions for the suggestion box, at least.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought it was awfully late for that pig fucker to grow a conscience .
He certainly did n't show any such regard for the people whose lives he was going to ruin while he was living his life of lavish luxury .
Most of us will never see a fraction of what he had .
The people he defrauded will be lucky if they do n't end up homeless because of his actions .
I think he was n't sorry he did those things .
I think he 's sorry he got caught .
No punishment that we could come up with could possibly make up for that .
Although I tend to atheism , it 's guys like this that make me hope that I 'm wrong and that there is actually a Hell , even though I 'd be joining him there eventually as a nonbeliever .
I 'd have a few suggestions for the suggestion box , at least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought it was awfully late for that pig fucker to grow a conscience.
He certainly didn't show any such regard for the people whose lives he was going to ruin while he was living his life of lavish luxury.
Most of us will never see a fraction of what he had.
The people he defrauded will be lucky if they don't end up homeless because of his actions.
I think he wasn't sorry he did those things.
I think he's sorry he got caught.
No punishment that we could come up with could possibly make up for that.
Although I tend to atheism, it's guys like this that make me hope that I'm wrong and that there is actually a Hell, even though I'd be joining him there eventually as a nonbeliever.
I'd have a few suggestions for the suggestion box, at least.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28524247</id>
	<title>Not justice.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's justice.  Put Madoff in the stocks off Times Square.   Put a Presidential and heck, Gubernatorial, Pardon, absolving anybody who kills the bastard, mutilates his corpse, or otherwise does something in the area.</p><p>For good measure, throw in his wife and sons, and any of the executives or decision makers of his companies or even financial regulators involved.</p><p>Too bad the constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.  Oh well.   But it'd be a nice and savage lesson.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's justice .
Put Madoff in the stocks off Times Square .
Put a Presidential and heck , Gubernatorial , Pardon , absolving anybody who kills the bastard , mutilates his corpse , or otherwise does something in the area.For good measure , throw in his wife and sons , and any of the executives or decision makers of his companies or even financial regulators involved.Too bad the constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment .
Oh well .
But it 'd be a nice and savage lesson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's justice.
Put Madoff in the stocks off Times Square.
Put a Presidential and heck, Gubernatorial, Pardon, absolving anybody who kills the bastard, mutilates his corpse, or otherwise does something in the area.For good measure, throw in his wife and sons, and any of the executives or decision makers of his companies or even financial regulators involved.Too bad the constitution prohibits cruel and unusual punishment.
Oh well.
But it'd be a nice and savage lesson.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521373</id>
	<title>Good... although</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246277160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will this send a message to other would-be scammers?  Nope.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will this send a message to other would-be scammers ?
Nope .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will this send a message to other would-be scammers?
Nope.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522143</id>
	<title>Re:Last thing to do</title>
	<author>ocularDeathRay</author>
	<datestamp>1246281060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the words of my hero, Mike Tyson:
<br> <br>
"I'll fuck you till you love me! Faggot."
<br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/me considers clicking post anonymously, but I have excellent karma, I am sure I don't deserve that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the words of my hero , Mike Tyson : " I 'll fuck you till you love me !
Faggot. " /me considers clicking post anonymously , but I have excellent karma , I am sure I do n't deserve that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the words of my hero, Mike Tyson:
 
"I'll fuck you till you love me!
Faggot."
  /me considers clicking post anonymously, but I have excellent karma, I am sure I don't deserve that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521365</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523107</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is not the only one with greed</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1246287000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except they weren't unbelievable returns for much of the time frame covered by the scam. He was promising, I think it was 10-12\% and there were fairly long periods of time when that was considered underperforming the market.<br> <br>

The stock market as a whole has a historic return of something around 10\%. In that context it doesn't really seem that unbelievable to most people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except they were n't unbelievable returns for much of the time frame covered by the scam .
He was promising , I think it was 10-12 \ % and there were fairly long periods of time when that was considered underperforming the market .
The stock market as a whole has a historic return of something around 10 \ % .
In that context it does n't really seem that unbelievable to most people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except they weren't unbelievable returns for much of the time frame covered by the scam.
He was promising, I think it was 10-12\% and there were fairly long periods of time when that was considered underperforming the market.
The stock market as a whole has a historic return of something around 10\%.
In that context it doesn't really seem that unbelievable to most people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521517</id>
	<title>Re:Self delusion is a powerful force</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246277820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your kidding right?</p><p>If he was doing from the beggining what he was suppose be doing instead of defrauding people he wouldn't have had any issues.</p><p>The fact remains he wasn't investing peoples money, he simply kept it (somewhere) and when people cashed out he just used someone elses money to pay them.  When too many people wanted too much money back at once because of the markets collapse he simply couldn't hide it anymore.</p><p>He wasn't dillusional he knew very well what he was doing you don't come to manage BILLIONS of dollars if you don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your kidding right ? If he was doing from the beggining what he was suppose be doing instead of defrauding people he would n't have had any issues.The fact remains he was n't investing peoples money , he simply kept it ( somewhere ) and when people cashed out he just used someone elses money to pay them .
When too many people wanted too much money back at once because of the markets collapse he simply could n't hide it anymore.He was n't dillusional he knew very well what he was doing you do n't come to manage BILLIONS of dollars if you do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your kidding right?If he was doing from the beggining what he was suppose be doing instead of defrauding people he wouldn't have had any issues.The fact remains he wasn't investing peoples money, he simply kept it (somewhere) and when people cashed out he just used someone elses money to pay them.
When too many people wanted too much money back at once because of the markets collapse he simply couldn't hide it anymore.He wasn't dillusional he knew very well what he was doing you don't come to manage BILLIONS of dollars if you don't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28524755</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246301940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The list is old and inaccurate.  Many on the list got their money out before the fall.  Some face the clawback provision of the law for gains they made.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The list is old and inaccurate .
Many on the list got their money out before the fall .
Some face the clawback provision of the law for gains they made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The list is old and inaccurate.
Many on the list got their money out before the fall.
Some face the clawback provision of the law for gains they made.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522063</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28532007</id>
	<title>Re:Where do I sign up?</title>
	<author>Fëanáro</author>
	<datestamp>1246388400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Make him work as a waiter, or cold call salesman or some other crap drop until he drops dead. Every penny gets invested into a trust fund for children's education or some other noble cause.</p></div></blockquote><p>So slavery is ok as long as the slave has been evil enough?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Make him work as a waiter , or cold call salesman or some other crap drop until he drops dead .
Every penny gets invested into a trust fund for children 's education or some other noble cause.So slavery is ok as long as the slave has been evil enough ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make him work as a waiter, or cold call salesman or some other crap drop until he drops dead.
Every penny gets invested into a trust fund for children's education or some other noble cause.So slavery is ok as long as the slave has been evil enough?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28528521</id>
	<title>lame.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246377480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only 150 years? They should have sentenced him for 15,000 years so when he gets out the bene gesserit and Atreides can kick his ass.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only 150 years ?
They should have sentenced him for 15,000 years so when he gets out the bene gesserit and Atreides can kick his ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only 150 years?
They should have sentenced him for 15,000 years so when he gets out the bene gesserit and Atreides can kick his ass.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28537269</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1246371240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK, sure you don't expect it, but that means you don't check into anything at all, especially when you're doing an audit? What did these investigators do during the audit? Just shoot the shit with Madoff? "Hey, how are thing over at NASDAQ? Heh, heh, heh, yup... Say, remember the time..."<br> <br>This is a crock of shit. If there were an investigation of the Police Chief, and he were a drug dealer, I would think they would find something. MAdoff *hadn't made a single trade*.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , sure you do n't expect it , but that means you do n't check into anything at all , especially when you 're doing an audit ?
What did these investigators do during the audit ?
Just shoot the shit with Madoff ?
" Hey , how are thing over at NASDAQ ?
Heh , heh , heh , yup... Say , remember the time... " This is a crock of shit .
If there were an investigation of the Police Chief , and he were a drug dealer , I would think they would find something .
MAdoff * had n't made a single trade * .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, sure you don't expect it, but that means you don't check into anything at all, especially when you're doing an audit?
What did these investigators do during the audit?
Just shoot the shit with Madoff?
"Hey, how are thing over at NASDAQ?
Heh, heh, heh, yup... Say, remember the time..." This is a crock of shit.
If there were an investigation of the Police Chief, and he were a drug dealer, I would think they would find something.
MAdoff *hadn't made a single trade*.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522757</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>MrPhilby</author>
	<datestamp>1246284420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What are charites and unions doing investing in this sort of shit? Playing big man that's what.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What are charites and unions doing investing in this sort of shit ?
Playing big man that 's what .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are charites and unions doing investing in this sort of shit?
Playing big man that's what.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522753</id>
	<title>How he did it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246284420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>they walked away knowing little more about how he carried out the biggest robbery in Wall Street history.</b></p><p>He Madoff with the money...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they walked away knowing little more about how he carried out the biggest robbery in Wall Street history.He Madoff with the money.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they walked away knowing little more about how he carried out the biggest robbery in Wall Street history.He Madoff with the money...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522001</id>
	<title>let's make a deal</title>
	<author>supernova87a</author>
	<datestamp>1246280220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about the judge offers him a deal -- 1 year off of his sentence for every $1B he reveals and pays back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about the judge offers him a deal -- 1 year off of his sentence for every $ 1B he reveals and pays back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about the judge offers him a deal -- 1 year off of his sentence for every $1B he reveals and pays back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28524661</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246300620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Behind every great fortune there is a CRIME." --Honore de Balzac

<br>SEC must REGULATE the Market Capitalization of all Listed Companies to TWICE their Quarterly Revenue.
This will
<ul>
<li>Will open markets for entrepreneurs resulting in millions of new jobs in start-ups.</li>
<li>Prevent Ponzi type scams in Corporate Management and Stock Markets.</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Behind every great fortune there is a CRIME .
" --Honore de Balzac SEC must REGULATE the Market Capitalization of all Listed Companies to TWICE their Quarterly Revenue .
This will Will open markets for entrepreneurs resulting in millions of new jobs in start-ups .
Prevent Ponzi type scams in Corporate Management and Stock Markets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Behind every great fortune there is a CRIME.
" --Honore de Balzac

SEC must REGULATE the Market Capitalization of all Listed Companies to TWICE their Quarterly Revenue.
This will

Will open markets for entrepreneurs resulting in millions of new jobs in start-ups.
Prevent Ponzi type scams in Corporate Management and Stock Markets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28536275</id>
	<title>Are you sure?</title>
	<author>microbee</author>
	<datestamp>1246364160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Living a lie for your entire life is not as easy as you think. Can you fall asleep at night? Do you feel guilty for betraying people's trust? Have you thought about what your children would think of you when they find out?</p><p>I am not as wealthy as Madoff. Heck, I am not really wealthy at all. I still have to go to work every weekday. But I like my life, and I enjoy my job. I'd rather having an honest, normal, quiet life than living in a mansion but worrying about the knocking of my door every day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Living a lie for your entire life is not as easy as you think .
Can you fall asleep at night ?
Do you feel guilty for betraying people 's trust ?
Have you thought about what your children would think of you when they find out ? I am not as wealthy as Madoff .
Heck , I am not really wealthy at all .
I still have to go to work every weekday .
But I like my life , and I enjoy my job .
I 'd rather having an honest , normal , quiet life than living in a mansion but worrying about the knocking of my door every day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Living a lie for your entire life is not as easy as you think.
Can you fall asleep at night?
Do you feel guilty for betraying people's trust?
Have you thought about what your children would think of you when they find out?I am not as wealthy as Madoff.
Heck, I am not really wealthy at all.
I still have to go to work every weekday.
But I like my life, and I enjoy my job.
I'd rather having an honest, normal, quiet life than living in a mansion but worrying about the knocking of my door every day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28536667</id>
	<title>Re:Tag "republicans"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246366380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The first sentence *might* be considered informative.  The second is wingnut material.  If he contributed to Republicans more, you'd be complaining he was rewarding his buddies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The first sentence * might * be considered informative .
The second is wingnut material .
If he contributed to Republicans more , you 'd be complaining he was rewarding his buddies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first sentence *might* be considered informative.
The second is wingnut material.
If he contributed to Republicans more, you'd be complaining he was rewarding his buddies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28526293</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>Pecisk</author>
	<datestamp>1246364940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, in what naive world we live in. In fact, I *expect* head of police to have his own drug mob. Heck, why not? You have authorisation, you have power....</p><p>Someone who had to check Madoff has been too soft, period. And this 'someone' should be identified and brought to court, too. Someone hasn't done their job well, and maybe there are even financial reasons why.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , in what naive world we live in .
In fact , I * expect * head of police to have his own drug mob .
Heck , why not ?
You have authorisation , you have power....Someone who had to check Madoff has been too soft , period .
And this 'someone ' should be identified and brought to court , too .
Someone has n't done their job well , and maybe there are even financial reasons why .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, in what naive world we live in.
In fact, I *expect* head of police to have his own drug mob.
Heck, why not?
You have authorisation, you have power....Someone who had to check Madoff has been too soft, period.
And this 'someone' should be identified and brought to court, too.
Someone hasn't done their job well, and maybe there are even financial reasons why.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521479</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523121</id>
	<title>Re:Tag "republicans"</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1246287120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's tagged Republicans because they were the ones that deregulated the markets, filled the SEC with people that they believed would look the other way and were by and large the loudest voices decrying efforts to keep tabs of what they're doing.<br> <br>

Of course he gave most of his money to the Democrats for God's sake, you don't give a lot of money to the people that are on your side regardless. You give money to people who you want to sway in your direction.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's tagged Republicans because they were the ones that deregulated the markets , filled the SEC with people that they believed would look the other way and were by and large the loudest voices decrying efforts to keep tabs of what they 're doing .
Of course he gave most of his money to the Democrats for God 's sake , you do n't give a lot of money to the people that are on your side regardless .
You give money to people who you want to sway in your direction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's tagged Republicans because they were the ones that deregulated the markets, filled the SEC with people that they believed would look the other way and were by and large the loudest voices decrying efforts to keep tabs of what they're doing.
Of course he gave most of his money to the Democrats for God's sake, you don't give a lot of money to the people that are on your side regardless.
You give money to people who you want to sway in your direction.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28527799</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is not the only one with greed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246374480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Blame the victim. Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blame the victim .
Brilliant ! Why did n't I think of that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blame the victim.
Brilliant! Why didn't I think of that?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521859</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522181</id>
	<title>Parity (parody?)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246281240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Rape: 10 years<br>Murder: 25 years<br>Fraud: 150 years</p><p>What a joke.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rape : 10 yearsMurder : 25 yearsFraud : 150 yearsWhat a joke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rape: 10 yearsMurder: 25 yearsFraud: 150 yearsWhat a joke.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522707</id>
	<title>Miscarriage of Justice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246284180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone else think so?</p><p>I see a lot of people whining because they lost their entire life savings to this bozo. I see the government pushing for and getting maximum sentence. I see people applauding over the 150 year sentence.</p><p>Simple fact that anyone with a brain can tell you about investing is that you do not pt everything in one place. You diversify to reduce your exposure to risk. I have no sympathy for the schmucks who lost everything. Why? Because they decided to listen to greed instead of sound financial planning and advice.</p><p>Simple fact is that this dude is 71 years old. Chances are that he will not live 15 years, let alone the obvious overkill of 150. Point being is that his life is already behind him, he basically got away with this and need only live a few years in the pen and kick off. Sure what he did is terrible, but its not murder. I am continually amazed at how insanely greedy people are - and this just adds to that. You basically want to put this guy in prison until he is dead because you were scammed and lost what you tried to invest. Get a life and take some responsibility for yourself. You are the one who decided to invest everything in one place. You are the one who lost all your money, not Bernie. Your bad decisions lost you the money, and now you have to have your vengeance and put an old man away forever. Sorry, but this sickens me. Put him in there for 10-12 years like he suggested. Let him out in time to have a year or two with his family before he dies. That would be humane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else think so ? I see a lot of people whining because they lost their entire life savings to this bozo .
I see the government pushing for and getting maximum sentence .
I see people applauding over the 150 year sentence.Simple fact that anyone with a brain can tell you about investing is that you do not pt everything in one place .
You diversify to reduce your exposure to risk .
I have no sympathy for the schmucks who lost everything .
Why ? Because they decided to listen to greed instead of sound financial planning and advice.Simple fact is that this dude is 71 years old .
Chances are that he will not live 15 years , let alone the obvious overkill of 150 .
Point being is that his life is already behind him , he basically got away with this and need only live a few years in the pen and kick off .
Sure what he did is terrible , but its not murder .
I am continually amazed at how insanely greedy people are - and this just adds to that .
You basically want to put this guy in prison until he is dead because you were scammed and lost what you tried to invest .
Get a life and take some responsibility for yourself .
You are the one who decided to invest everything in one place .
You are the one who lost all your money , not Bernie .
Your bad decisions lost you the money , and now you have to have your vengeance and put an old man away forever .
Sorry , but this sickens me .
Put him in there for 10-12 years like he suggested .
Let him out in time to have a year or two with his family before he dies .
That would be humane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else think so?I see a lot of people whining because they lost their entire life savings to this bozo.
I see the government pushing for and getting maximum sentence.
I see people applauding over the 150 year sentence.Simple fact that anyone with a brain can tell you about investing is that you do not pt everything in one place.
You diversify to reduce your exposure to risk.
I have no sympathy for the schmucks who lost everything.
Why? Because they decided to listen to greed instead of sound financial planning and advice.Simple fact is that this dude is 71 years old.
Chances are that he will not live 15 years, let alone the obvious overkill of 150.
Point being is that his life is already behind him, he basically got away with this and need only live a few years in the pen and kick off.
Sure what he did is terrible, but its not murder.
I am continually amazed at how insanely greedy people are - and this just adds to that.
You basically want to put this guy in prison until he is dead because you were scammed and lost what you tried to invest.
Get a life and take some responsibility for yourself.
You are the one who decided to invest everything in one place.
You are the one who lost all your money, not Bernie.
Your bad decisions lost you the money, and now you have to have your vengeance and put an old man away forever.
Sorry, but this sickens me.
Put him in there for 10-12 years like he suggested.
Let him out in time to have a year or two with his family before he dies.
That would be humane.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28529451</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246380960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like a "who's who" of crooked international bankers, super-rich celebrities, charity scams, and random charlatans. Kinda hard to shed a tear.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "OMG, won't someone please think of Zsa Zsa!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like a " who 's who " of crooked international bankers , super-rich celebrities , charity scams , and random charlatans .
Kinda hard to shed a tear .
      " OMG , wo n't someone please think of Zsa Zsa !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like a "who's who" of crooked international bankers, super-rich celebrities, charity scams, and random charlatans.
Kinda hard to shed a tear.
      "OMG, won't someone please think of Zsa Zsa!
"</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28524031</id>
	<title>To the greedy bastards who invested with Madoff</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246294680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that thought he was their greedy ticket to early riches - you deserved this.  There is no short-cut in life.  You took one and you were wiped out because of your greed.  Perhaps you'll learn in your next life.  And welcome back to the work force.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that thought he was their greedy ticket to early riches - you deserved this .
There is no short-cut in life .
You took one and you were wiped out because of your greed .
Perhaps you 'll learn in your next life .
And welcome back to the work force .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that thought he was their greedy ticket to early riches - you deserved this.
There is no short-cut in life.
You took one and you were wiped out because of your greed.
Perhaps you'll learn in your next life.
And welcome back to the work force.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522191</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>InterGuru</author>
	<datestamp>1246281240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are many charities that lost much of all of their endowments. Some closed down.  The people and causes that depended on them are innocent losers.</p><p><a href="http://bookwormhole.net/" title="bookwormhole.net">Bookwormhole.net</a> [bookwormhole.net]  -- over 12,000 published book reviews.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are many charities that lost much of all of their endowments .
Some closed down .
The people and causes that depended on them are innocent losers.Bookwormhole.net [ bookwormhole.net ] -- over 12,000 published book reviews .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are many charities that lost much of all of their endowments.
Some closed down.
The people and causes that depended on them are innocent losers.Bookwormhole.net [bookwormhole.net]  -- over 12,000 published book reviews.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522159</id>
	<title>this news for nerds</title>
	<author>nimbius</author>
	<datestamp>1246281180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>brought to you once again by slashdot.  we all knew he would be sentenced harshly, so its hardly news.  this doesnt seem to have anything to do with nerds or nerd culture, so aside from finding a face to put on the financial crisis and kick the teeth out of, i do not see how this story matters to slashdotters.<br> <br>  if i wanted to find out what happened in meatworld politics, id hit NBC or something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>brought to you once again by slashdot .
we all knew he would be sentenced harshly , so its hardly news .
this doesnt seem to have anything to do with nerds or nerd culture , so aside from finding a face to put on the financial crisis and kick the teeth out of , i do not see how this story matters to slashdotters .
if i wanted to find out what happened in meatworld politics , id hit NBC or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>brought to you once again by slashdot.
we all knew he would be sentenced harshly, so its hardly news.
this doesnt seem to have anything to do with nerds or nerd culture, so aside from finding a face to put on the financial crisis and kick the teeth out of, i do not see how this story matters to slashdotters.
if i wanted to find out what happened in meatworld politics, id hit NBC or something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28527381</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is not the only one with greed</title>
	<author>UnknowingFool</author>
	<datestamp>1246372620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well part of the why Madoff was allowed to operate for many years was secrecy.  Some people invested directly with Madoff; however, the majority did not.  In the last 10 years, the majority of the money came from feeder funds like Fairfield Greenwich Group.  It was a hedge fund that existed out of Connecticut and had an outstanding reputation.  Their Emerald fund invested 100\% in Madoff but didn't really tell their investors nor list it on their prospectus about the fund.  They also failed to do due diligence and actually verify Madoff was performing the trades he said he was performing.  So if you were an investor in Fairfield Greenwich's Emerald fund, you never knew it was Madoff.  It was a good hedge fund that gave solid returns from a solid company.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well part of the why Madoff was allowed to operate for many years was secrecy .
Some people invested directly with Madoff ; however , the majority did not .
In the last 10 years , the majority of the money came from feeder funds like Fairfield Greenwich Group .
It was a hedge fund that existed out of Connecticut and had an outstanding reputation .
Their Emerald fund invested 100 \ % in Madoff but did n't really tell their investors nor list it on their prospectus about the fund .
They also failed to do due diligence and actually verify Madoff was performing the trades he said he was performing .
So if you were an investor in Fairfield Greenwich 's Emerald fund , you never knew it was Madoff .
It was a good hedge fund that gave solid returns from a solid company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well part of the why Madoff was allowed to operate for many years was secrecy.
Some people invested directly with Madoff; however, the majority did not.
In the last 10 years, the majority of the money came from feeder funds like Fairfield Greenwich Group.
It was a hedge fund that existed out of Connecticut and had an outstanding reputation.
Their Emerald fund invested 100\% in Madoff but didn't really tell their investors nor list it on their prospectus about the fund.
They also failed to do due diligence and actually verify Madoff was performing the trades he said he was performing.
So if you were an investor in Fairfield Greenwich's Emerald fund, you never knew it was Madoff.
It was a good hedge fund that gave solid returns from a solid company.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522985</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>mattack2</author>
	<datestamp>1246286160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What is the funniest thing ever to me, is that the people who have been dooped once already into losing their money are getting dooped for a second time with all of this disinfo about madolf being the only guy involved.</p></div></blockquote><p>(BTW, the word is "duped".  In the title I thought it was just for exaggeration.)</p><p>I don't think that people have been duped "a second time".  For example, from one of the AP stories (I can't link it or the 'lameness filter' triggers), the judge said:</p><p>"I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the funniest thing ever to me , is that the people who have been dooped once already into losing their money are getting dooped for a second time with all of this disinfo about madolf being the only guy involved .
( BTW , the word is " duped " .
In the title I thought it was just for exaggeration .
) I do n't think that people have been duped " a second time " .
For example , from one of the AP stories ( I ca n't link it or the 'lameness filter ' triggers ) , the judge said : " I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the funniest thing ever to me, is that the people who have been dooped once already into losing their money are getting dooped for a second time with all of this disinfo about madolf being the only guy involved.
(BTW, the word is "duped".
In the title I thought it was just for exaggeration.
)I don't think that people have been duped "a second time".
For example, from one of the AP stories (I can't link it or the 'lameness filter' triggers), the judge said:"I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows.
"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521873</id>
	<title>Knowing My Rights</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1246279620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Knowing my rights should allow be to beat the crap out of this guy until he gives up all of the hidden assets, and all of the people who helped him along the way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Knowing my rights should allow be to beat the crap out of this guy until he gives up all of the hidden assets , and all of the people who helped him along the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Knowing my rights should allow be to beat the crap out of this guy until he gives up all of the hidden assets, and all of the people who helped him along the way.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522381</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246282320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I still believe it very unlikely that Bernie's sons didn't knowingly participate in this... or at least were aware of it.</i></p><p>Generally speaking, there is no obligation to report someone else's crime to the police if you become aware of it. There are some exceptions, like teachers observing child abuse have to report it.</p><p>Now, the accountants who audited the investment funds for so long and noticed nothing must be incompetent, negligent, idiots or in on the scam.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I still believe it very unlikely that Bernie 's sons did n't knowingly participate in this... or at least were aware of it.Generally speaking , there is no obligation to report someone else 's crime to the police if you become aware of it .
There are some exceptions , like teachers observing child abuse have to report it.Now , the accountants who audited the investment funds for so long and noticed nothing must be incompetent , negligent , idiots or in on the scam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still believe it very unlikely that Bernie's sons didn't knowingly participate in this... or at least were aware of it.Generally speaking, there is no obligation to report someone else's crime to the police if you become aware of it.
There are some exceptions, like teachers observing child abuse have to report it.Now, the accountants who audited the investment funds for so long and noticed nothing must be incompetent, negligent, idiots or in on the scam.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521757</id>
	<title>Pathetic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246279020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>US District Judge Denny Chin... [said]: I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows</i> <p>
And what, after 150 years in prison you think he will say something? Just plain stinking vengeance...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>US District Judge Denny Chin... [ said ] : I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows And what , after 150 years in prison you think he will say something ?
Just plain stinking vengeance.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US District Judge Denny Chin... [said]: I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows 
And what, after 150 years in prison you think he will say something?
Just plain stinking vengeance...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522063</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>FooAtWFU</author>
	<datestamp>1246280580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But it doesn't really matter, does it? These were the extremely wealthy who were conned.</p></div> </blockquote><p>
Sure. The extremely wealthy. And, also, charities. What do you think of stealing $15 million from The Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity? Maybe $24 mill from New York University or $3 million from Bard College bothers you? I wonder what United Association Plumbers &amp; Steamfitters Local 267 in Syracuse thinks about your blanket characterization which indicates that their loss (still under calculation) doesn't matter.</p><p>
(For reference, <a href="http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/st\_madoff\_victims\_20081215.html" title="wsj.net">the victim list</a> [wsj.net].)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But it does n't really matter , does it ?
These were the extremely wealthy who were conned .
Sure. The extremely wealthy .
And , also , charities .
What do you think of stealing $ 15 million from The Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity ?
Maybe $ 24 mill from New York University or $ 3 million from Bard College bothers you ?
I wonder what United Association Plumbers &amp; Steamfitters Local 267 in Syracuse thinks about your blanket characterization which indicates that their loss ( still under calculation ) does n't matter .
( For reference , the victim list [ wsj.net ] .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it doesn't really matter, does it?
These were the extremely wealthy who were conned.
Sure. The extremely wealthy.
And, also, charities.
What do you think of stealing $15 million from The Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity?
Maybe $24 mill from New York University or $3 million from Bard College bothers you?
I wonder what United Association Plumbers &amp; Steamfitters Local 267 in Syracuse thinks about your blanket characterization which indicates that their loss (still under calculation) doesn't matter.
(For reference, the victim list [wsj.net].
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521403</id>
	<title>Self delusion is a powerful force</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246277280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure he really did know how bad things were, except for perhaps at the very end... for a long time I'm not sure he thought himself he was defrauding anyone.</p><p>I'm not sure even he himself can tell us exactly how this happened, beyond the fact it just did...</p><p>Sad how many people grew to be hurt by one mans illusions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure he really did know how bad things were , except for perhaps at the very end... for a long time I 'm not sure he thought himself he was defrauding anyone.I 'm not sure even he himself can tell us exactly how this happened , beyond the fact it just did...Sad how many people grew to be hurt by one mans illusions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure he really did know how bad things were, except for perhaps at the very end... for a long time I'm not sure he thought himself he was defrauding anyone.I'm not sure even he himself can tell us exactly how this happened, beyond the fact it just did...Sad how many people grew to be hurt by one mans illusions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523645</id>
	<title>Who will be incarcerated longest: Madoff of Lenin?</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1246291020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Russians have kept Lenin incarcerated for one heck of a long time now - Will the Americans outdo them with Bernie Madoff?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Russians have kept Lenin incarcerated for one heck of a long time now - Will the Americans outdo them with Bernie Madoff ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Russians have kept Lenin incarcerated for one heck of a long time now - Will the Americans outdo them with Bernie Madoff?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28528459</id>
	<title>James Bond</title>
	<author>somecreepyoldguy</author>
	<datestamp>1246377240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Couldn't a guy with billions of dollars in unknown assets call for someone to break him out of prison and transport him to an island in the shape of a skull or spider where he could carry out more evil deeds with the rest of his billions?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't a guy with billions of dollars in unknown assets call for someone to break him out of prison and transport him to an island in the shape of a skull or spider where he could carry out more evil deeds with the rest of his billions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't a guy with billions of dollars in unknown assets call for someone to break him out of prison and transport him to an island in the shape of a skull or spider where he could carry out more evil deeds with the rest of his billions?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525339</id>
	<title>So</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246395300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as it is white collar crime, he will be out in 11 months or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as it is white collar crime , he will be out in 11 months or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as it is white collar crime, he will be out in 11 months or so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28524095</id>
	<title>Treason-like to me</title>
	<author>Cross-Threaded</author>
	<datestamp>1246295400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know that I tend to take an extreme view when I see shit like this, so bear with me.</p><p>And I don't know what the legal definition of fraud versus treason is, but, I'd like to pose the question:</p><p>When you defraud a large number of people, isn't that a lot like committing treason against your country? If so, where do you draw the line, and say, "THE LINE HAS BEEN CROSSED"?</p><p>Considering this was the largest Ponzi scam ever, and it touched probably hundreds of thousands of lives, either directly, or indirectly, would you be willing to call it Treason?</p><p>I don't think I would mind, but, more importantly, what do you think?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that I tend to take an extreme view when I see shit like this , so bear with me.And I do n't know what the legal definition of fraud versus treason is , but , I 'd like to pose the question : When you defraud a large number of people , is n't that a lot like committing treason against your country ?
If so , where do you draw the line , and say , " THE LINE HAS BEEN CROSSED " ? Considering this was the largest Ponzi scam ever , and it touched probably hundreds of thousands of lives , either directly , or indirectly , would you be willing to call it Treason ? I do n't think I would mind , but , more importantly , what do you think ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that I tend to take an extreme view when I see shit like this, so bear with me.And I don't know what the legal definition of fraud versus treason is, but, I'd like to pose the question:When you defraud a large number of people, isn't that a lot like committing treason against your country?
If so, where do you draw the line, and say, "THE LINE HAS BEEN CROSSED"?Considering this was the largest Ponzi scam ever, and it touched probably hundreds of thousands of lives, either directly, or indirectly, would you be willing to call it Treason?I don't think I would mind, but, more importantly, what do you think?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522279</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246281780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I for one am not surprised that the head of one of the world's largest Ponzi schemes stepped down to run his own personal Ponzi scheme-- and that the SEC looked away while he ran it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one am not surprised that the head of one of the world 's largest Ponzi schemes stepped down to run his own personal Ponzi scheme-- and that the SEC looked away while he ran it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one am not surprised that the head of one of the world's largest Ponzi schemes stepped down to run his own personal Ponzi scheme-- and that the SEC looked away while he ran it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28524345</id>
	<title>Madoff's full statement</title>
	<author>Rick Bentley</author>
	<datestamp>1246297620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/business/30bernietext.html" title="nytimes.com">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/business/30bernietext.html</a> [nytimes.com]
<br> <br>
Following is a transcript of Bernard L. Madoff&#226;(TM)s statement to the court during his sentencing, as provided by the court:
<br> <br>

Jine Lee/Bloomberg News
" Your Honor, I cannot offer you an excuse for my behavior. How do you excuse betraying thousands of investors who entrusted me with their life savings? How do you excuse deceiving 200 employees who have spent most of their working life working for me? How do you excuse lying to your brother and two sons who spent their whole adult life helping to build a successful and respectful business? How do you excuse lying and deceiving a wife who stood by you for 50 years, and still stands by you? And how do you excuse deceiving an industry that you spent a better part of your life trying to improve?
<br> <br>
There is no excuse for that, and I don&#226;(TM)t ask any forgiveness.
<br> <br>
Although I may not have intended any harm, I did a great deal of harm. I believed when I started this problem, this crime, that it would be something I would be able to work my way out of, but that became impossible. As hard as I tried, the deeper I dug myself into a hole. I made a terrible mistake, but it wasn&#226;(TM)t the kind of mistake that I had made time and time again, which is a trading mistake. In my business, when you make a trading error, you&#226;(TM)re expected to make a trading error, it&#226;(TM)s accepted. My error was much more serious. I made an error of judgment. I refused to accept the fact, could not accept the fact, that for once in my life I failed. I couldn&#226;(TM)t admit that failure and that was a tragic mistake.
<br> <br>
I am responsible for a great deal of suffering and pain. I understand that. I live in a tormented state now knowing of all the pain and suffering that I have created. I have left a legacy of shame, as some of my victims have pointed out, to my family and my grandchildren. That&#226;(TM)s something I will live with for the rest of my life. People have accused me of being silent and not being sympathetic. That is not true. They have accused my wife of being silent and not being sympathetic. Nothing could be further from the truth. She cries herself to sleep every night knowing of all the pain and suffering I have caused, and I am tormented by that as well. She was advised not to speak publicly until after my sentencing by our attorneys, and she complied with that. Today she will make a statement about how she feels about my crimes. I ask you to listen to that. She is sincere and all I ask you is to listen to her.
<br> <br>
Apologizing and saying I am sorry, that&#226;(TM)s not enough. Nothing I can say will correct the things I have done. I feel terrible that an industry I spent my life trying to improve is being criticized terribly now, that regulators who I helped work with over the years are being criticized by what I have done. That is a horrible guilt to live with. There is nothing I can do that will make anyone feel better for the pain and suffering I caused them, but I will live with this pain, with this torment for the rest of my life. I apologize to my victims. I will turn and face you. I am sorry. I know that doesn&#226;(TM)t help you. Your Honor, thank you for listening to me. &#226;</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/business/30bernietext.html [ nytimes.com ] Following is a transcript of Bernard L. Madoff   ( TM ) s statement to the court during his sentencing , as provided by the court : Jine Lee/Bloomberg News " Your Honor , I can not offer you an excuse for my behavior .
How do you excuse betraying thousands of investors who entrusted me with their life savings ?
How do you excuse deceiving 200 employees who have spent most of their working life working for me ?
How do you excuse lying to your brother and two sons who spent their whole adult life helping to build a successful and respectful business ?
How do you excuse lying and deceiving a wife who stood by you for 50 years , and still stands by you ?
And how do you excuse deceiving an industry that you spent a better part of your life trying to improve ?
There is no excuse for that , and I don   ( TM ) t ask any forgiveness .
Although I may not have intended any harm , I did a great deal of harm .
I believed when I started this problem , this crime , that it would be something I would be able to work my way out of , but that became impossible .
As hard as I tried , the deeper I dug myself into a hole .
I made a terrible mistake , but it wasn   ( TM ) t the kind of mistake that I had made time and time again , which is a trading mistake .
In my business , when you make a trading error , you   ( TM ) re expected to make a trading error , it   ( TM ) s accepted .
My error was much more serious .
I made an error of judgment .
I refused to accept the fact , could not accept the fact , that for once in my life I failed .
I couldn   ( TM ) t admit that failure and that was a tragic mistake .
I am responsible for a great deal of suffering and pain .
I understand that .
I live in a tormented state now knowing of all the pain and suffering that I have created .
I have left a legacy of shame , as some of my victims have pointed out , to my family and my grandchildren .
That   ( TM ) s something I will live with for the rest of my life .
People have accused me of being silent and not being sympathetic .
That is not true .
They have accused my wife of being silent and not being sympathetic .
Nothing could be further from the truth .
She cries herself to sleep every night knowing of all the pain and suffering I have caused , and I am tormented by that as well .
She was advised not to speak publicly until after my sentencing by our attorneys , and she complied with that .
Today she will make a statement about how she feels about my crimes .
I ask you to listen to that .
She is sincere and all I ask you is to listen to her .
Apologizing and saying I am sorry , that   ( TM ) s not enough .
Nothing I can say will correct the things I have done .
I feel terrible that an industry I spent my life trying to improve is being criticized terribly now , that regulators who I helped work with over the years are being criticized by what I have done .
That is a horrible guilt to live with .
There is nothing I can do that will make anyone feel better for the pain and suffering I caused them , but I will live with this pain , with this torment for the rest of my life .
I apologize to my victims .
I will turn and face you .
I am sorry .
I know that doesn   ( TM ) t help you .
Your Honor , thank you for listening to me .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/30/business/30bernietext.html [nytimes.com]
 
Following is a transcript of Bernard L. Madoffâ(TM)s statement to the court during his sentencing, as provided by the court:
 

Jine Lee/Bloomberg News
" Your Honor, I cannot offer you an excuse for my behavior.
How do you excuse betraying thousands of investors who entrusted me with their life savings?
How do you excuse deceiving 200 employees who have spent most of their working life working for me?
How do you excuse lying to your brother and two sons who spent their whole adult life helping to build a successful and respectful business?
How do you excuse lying and deceiving a wife who stood by you for 50 years, and still stands by you?
And how do you excuse deceiving an industry that you spent a better part of your life trying to improve?
There is no excuse for that, and I donâ(TM)t ask any forgiveness.
Although I may not have intended any harm, I did a great deal of harm.
I believed when I started this problem, this crime, that it would be something I would be able to work my way out of, but that became impossible.
As hard as I tried, the deeper I dug myself into a hole.
I made a terrible mistake, but it wasnâ(TM)t the kind of mistake that I had made time and time again, which is a trading mistake.
In my business, when you make a trading error, youâ(TM)re expected to make a trading error, itâ(TM)s accepted.
My error was much more serious.
I made an error of judgment.
I refused to accept the fact, could not accept the fact, that for once in my life I failed.
I couldnâ(TM)t admit that failure and that was a tragic mistake.
I am responsible for a great deal of suffering and pain.
I understand that.
I live in a tormented state now knowing of all the pain and suffering that I have created.
I have left a legacy of shame, as some of my victims have pointed out, to my family and my grandchildren.
Thatâ(TM)s something I will live with for the rest of my life.
People have accused me of being silent and not being sympathetic.
That is not true.
They have accused my wife of being silent and not being sympathetic.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
She cries herself to sleep every night knowing of all the pain and suffering I have caused, and I am tormented by that as well.
She was advised not to speak publicly until after my sentencing by our attorneys, and she complied with that.
Today she will make a statement about how she feels about my crimes.
I ask you to listen to that.
She is sincere and all I ask you is to listen to her.
Apologizing and saying I am sorry, thatâ(TM)s not enough.
Nothing I can say will correct the things I have done.
I feel terrible that an industry I spent my life trying to improve is being criticized terribly now, that regulators who I helped work with over the years are being criticized by what I have done.
That is a horrible guilt to live with.
There is nothing I can do that will make anyone feel better for the pain and suffering I caused them, but I will live with this pain, with this torment for the rest of my life.
I apologize to my victims.
I will turn and face you.
I am sorry.
I know that doesnâ(TM)t help you.
Your Honor, thank you for listening to me.
â</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522081</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246280760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We cared about Enron until Kenneth Lay kicked the bucket.  Seems like people really only want the head man to fall, and after Lay died the bloodlust went away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We cared about Enron until Kenneth Lay kicked the bucket .
Seems like people really only want the head man to fall , and after Lay died the bloodlust went away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We cared about Enron until Kenneth Lay kicked the bucket.
Seems like people really only want the head man to fall, and after Lay died the bloodlust went away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523317</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is content</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1246288380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I wonder how that defence will fly when the son's are sued: "Your honor, members of the jury, my clients should not have to repay the millions of dollars that they received in salary, because they did nothing whatsoever to earn it."</p></div></blockquote><p>

People don't care about that, look how they cry about the so-called "death tax."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how that defence will fly when the son 's are sued : " Your honor , members of the jury , my clients should not have to repay the millions of dollars that they received in salary , because they did nothing whatsoever to earn it .
" People do n't care about that , look how they cry about the so-called " death tax .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how that defence will fly when the son's are sued: "Your honor, members of the jury, my clients should not have to repay the millions of dollars that they received in salary, because they did nothing whatsoever to earn it.
"

People don't care about that, look how they cry about the so-called "death tax.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522605</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is content</title>
	<author>gigabites2</author>
	<datestamp>1246283520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I couldn't help but think of <a href="http://dilbert.com/dyn/str\_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/30000/3000/000/33084/33084.strip.gif" title="dilbert.com" rel="nofollow">this Dilbert cartoon</a> [dilbert.com] when I read your comment. It certainly rings true...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could n't help but think of this Dilbert cartoon [ dilbert.com ] when I read your comment .
It certainly rings true.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I couldn't help but think of this Dilbert cartoon [dilbert.com] when I read your comment.
It certainly rings true...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521463</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525689</id>
	<title>Rich people moaning because they are now poor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246356540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The people who lost money in the Madoff scam are no worse off than the vast majority of people in this world who did not have hundreds of thousands sitting around in investments.</p><p>I find it hard to get upset about their plight.</p><p>Do those people now find it easier to sympathise with the plight of the other poor people of the world? No they don't. They just care about themselves and whine endlessly. It is worth pointing out that the attitude of most of those whose voices have been heard on the news, towards the thief who took their money, is also extremely unChristian.</p><p>They allowed their own greed to dictate their actions and look where it got them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The people who lost money in the Madoff scam are no worse off than the vast majority of people in this world who did not have hundreds of thousands sitting around in investments.I find it hard to get upset about their plight.Do those people now find it easier to sympathise with the plight of the other poor people of the world ?
No they do n't .
They just care about themselves and whine endlessly .
It is worth pointing out that the attitude of most of those whose voices have been heard on the news , towards the thief who took their money , is also extremely unChristian.They allowed their own greed to dictate their actions and look where it got them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The people who lost money in the Madoff scam are no worse off than the vast majority of people in this world who did not have hundreds of thousands sitting around in investments.I find it hard to get upset about their plight.Do those people now find it easier to sympathise with the plight of the other poor people of the world?
No they don't.
They just care about themselves and whine endlessly.
It is worth pointing out that the attitude of most of those whose voices have been heard on the news, towards the thief who took their money, is also extremely unChristian.They allowed their own greed to dictate their actions and look where it got them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525063</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>mpe</author>
	<datestamp>1246392180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Because he was a former head of Nasdaq. He was one of the rule makers. You do not expect the head of the major exchange to be a Ponzi schemer. Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer.</i> <br> <br>Next you'll be telling me that politicians are unlikely to be dishonest. "High" criminals most certainly do exist. One thing that makes them especially dangerous is that they tend to be more able to conceal their activities.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because he was a former head of Nasdaq .
He was one of the rule makers .
You do not expect the head of the major exchange to be a Ponzi schemer .
Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer .
Next you 'll be telling me that politicians are unlikely to be dishonest .
" High " criminals most certainly do exist .
One thing that makes them especially dangerous is that they tend to be more able to conceal their activities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because he was a former head of Nasdaq.
He was one of the rule makers.
You do not expect the head of the major exchange to be a Ponzi schemer.
Just like a head of police is very unlikely to be a drug dealer.
Next you'll be telling me that politicians are unlikely to be dishonest.
"High" criminals most certainly do exist.
One thing that makes them especially dangerous is that they tend to be more able to conceal their activities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525661</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246356300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>$24 mill from New York University or $3 million from Bard College</p></div><p>Why do <i>universities</i> invest money ? Aren't they supposed to provide an education ? Oh, right, it's the US mode of thinking that anything should be run as a business whose only objective is to make money...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 24 mill from New York University or $ 3 million from Bard CollegeWhy do universities invest money ?
Are n't they supposed to provide an education ?
Oh , right , it 's the US mode of thinking that anything should be run as a business whose only objective is to make money.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$24 mill from New York University or $3 million from Bard CollegeWhy do universities invest money ?
Aren't they supposed to provide an education ?
Oh, right, it's the US mode of thinking that anything should be run as a business whose only objective is to make money...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522797</id>
	<title>i'm sure linux bitches wish they were there</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246284720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>they like getting fucked in the ass by some ass raping prisoner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>they like getting fucked in the ass by some ass raping prisoner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they like getting fucked in the ass by some ass raping prisoner.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523761</id>
	<title>Bullshit</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1246292220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If he was black and if we sentenced along the lines of crack possession ($300 worth will get you 5 years) he'd be serving 1.08 billion years for 65 billion. Only 120 years?! Yeah he won't live that long.. duh.. but way to chop off a few 0s there.</p><p>In contrast to any "non-white collar crime" he'd be looking at no less then a million years.</p><p>Yeah he should have gotten a few 000s on the end of that in the name of principle.</p><p>Shit the wife\accomplice is walking away with 2 million! I can't buy a fucking beer without my wife knowing it. That bitch knew just as plain as day. She actually gets to KEEP 2 million. The two should be rotting in jail then when they fucking die their bodies should be cremated and poured into a sewer drain. Burial is too good for that piece of shit and that hag of a wife.</p><p>Fuck it, white collar crime pays apparently. No hard labor. No punishment really. He had his fun, now off to a minimum security prison while his senator friends ensure he's in "The nice area". Now he can rot on tax payer's tab. Maybe do some tutoring, write a book, maybe take up painting.</p><p>Remember: if your white apparently you get to live a life of privlege then get caught and waste your last 10 or so years in jail. If you are a minority expect to live all BUT 10 years of your life in jail or the slums. This is bullshit.</p><p>Judicial hipocracy never ceases to stun me.</p><p>Here turn over everything you have. No wait your wife can keep 2 million and the millions you paid out to your friends and family is legitmate income to them so just give us back what is left.</p><p>So who got political contributions from him?</p><p>My opinion: He needs his fucking legs cheese gratered off and his face given a date with a belt sander. That wouldn't be cruel or unusual... rather fitting and the closest thing his victims will get to justice. For those with weak stomaches how about he pushes a rock uphill every day until the rock and gravity win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If he was black and if we sentenced along the lines of crack possession ( $ 300 worth will get you 5 years ) he 'd be serving 1.08 billion years for 65 billion .
Only 120 years ? !
Yeah he wo n't live that long.. duh.. but way to chop off a few 0s there.In contrast to any " non-white collar crime " he 'd be looking at no less then a million years.Yeah he should have gotten a few 000s on the end of that in the name of principle.Shit the wife \ accomplice is walking away with 2 million !
I ca n't buy a fucking beer without my wife knowing it .
That bitch knew just as plain as day .
She actually gets to KEEP 2 million .
The two should be rotting in jail then when they fucking die their bodies should be cremated and poured into a sewer drain .
Burial is too good for that piece of shit and that hag of a wife.Fuck it , white collar crime pays apparently .
No hard labor .
No punishment really .
He had his fun , now off to a minimum security prison while his senator friends ensure he 's in " The nice area " .
Now he can rot on tax payer 's tab .
Maybe do some tutoring , write a book , maybe take up painting.Remember : if your white apparently you get to live a life of privlege then get caught and waste your last 10 or so years in jail .
If you are a minority expect to live all BUT 10 years of your life in jail or the slums .
This is bullshit.Judicial hipocracy never ceases to stun me.Here turn over everything you have .
No wait your wife can keep 2 million and the millions you paid out to your friends and family is legitmate income to them so just give us back what is left.So who got political contributions from him ? My opinion : He needs his fucking legs cheese gratered off and his face given a date with a belt sander .
That would n't be cruel or unusual... rather fitting and the closest thing his victims will get to justice .
For those with weak stomaches how about he pushes a rock uphill every day until the rock and gravity win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If he was black and if we sentenced along the lines of crack possession ($300 worth will get you 5 years) he'd be serving 1.08 billion years for 65 billion.
Only 120 years?!
Yeah he won't live that long.. duh.. but way to chop off a few 0s there.In contrast to any "non-white collar crime" he'd be looking at no less then a million years.Yeah he should have gotten a few 000s on the end of that in the name of principle.Shit the wife\accomplice is walking away with 2 million!
I can't buy a fucking beer without my wife knowing it.
That bitch knew just as plain as day.
She actually gets to KEEP 2 million.
The two should be rotting in jail then when they fucking die their bodies should be cremated and poured into a sewer drain.
Burial is too good for that piece of shit and that hag of a wife.Fuck it, white collar crime pays apparently.
No hard labor.
No punishment really.
He had his fun, now off to a minimum security prison while his senator friends ensure he's in "The nice area".
Now he can rot on tax payer's tab.
Maybe do some tutoring, write a book, maybe take up painting.Remember: if your white apparently you get to live a life of privlege then get caught and waste your last 10 or so years in jail.
If you are a minority expect to live all BUT 10 years of your life in jail or the slums.
This is bullshit.Judicial hipocracy never ceases to stun me.Here turn over everything you have.
No wait your wife can keep 2 million and the millions you paid out to your friends and family is legitmate income to them so just give us back what is left.So who got political contributions from him?My opinion: He needs his fucking legs cheese gratered off and his face given a date with a belt sander.
That wouldn't be cruel or unusual... rather fitting and the closest thing his victims will get to justice.
For those with weak stomaches how about he pushes a rock uphill every day until the rock and gravity win.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28531609</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1246386960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't really bother me at all, seems to me like they should have been using this money to run the schools or fund the charities.</p><p>If they have millions left over to invest than they are charging to much for services that they pretend are 'for the public good'.</p><p>We should probably go after them next.</p><p>No, I don't feel any sympathy for those who invest in plans that are obviously too good to be true, sorry if you disagree with it but I'll never feel sorry for those who miss the glaring red flags.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't really bother me at all , seems to me like they should have been using this money to run the schools or fund the charities.If they have millions left over to invest than they are charging to much for services that they pretend are 'for the public good'.We should probably go after them next.No , I do n't feel any sympathy for those who invest in plans that are obviously too good to be true , sorry if you disagree with it but I 'll never feel sorry for those who miss the glaring red flags .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't really bother me at all, seems to me like they should have been using this money to run the schools or fund the charities.If they have millions left over to invest than they are charging to much for services that they pretend are 'for the public good'.We should probably go after them next.No, I don't feel any sympathy for those who invest in plans that are obviously too good to be true, sorry if you disagree with it but I'll never feel sorry for those who miss the glaring red flags.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28531323</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1246386120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know what world you live in, but these are EXACTLY the people you watch for these sorts of things.  Some of the best, most reliable drug dealers I've known are near the top of the food chain at police departments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know what world you live in , but these are EXACTLY the people you watch for these sorts of things .
Some of the best , most reliable drug dealers I 've known are near the top of the food chain at police departments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what world you live in, but these are EXACTLY the people you watch for these sorts of things.
Some of the best, most reliable drug dealers I've known are near the top of the food chain at police departments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522211</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is content</title>
	<author>DigiShaman</author>
	<datestamp>1246281360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Martyrdom is the highest calling in life. It's the ultimate sacrifice one can give. It truely is above life and law!</p><p>It's part of life, and there's not a damn thing you or I can do about it except to endure the aftermath. Frustrating, but true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Martyrdom is the highest calling in life .
It 's the ultimate sacrifice one can give .
It truely is above life and law ! It 's part of life , and there 's not a damn thing you or I can do about it except to endure the aftermath .
Frustrating , but true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Martyrdom is the highest calling in life.
It's the ultimate sacrifice one can give.
It truely is above life and law!It's part of life, and there's not a damn thing you or I can do about it except to endure the aftermath.
Frustrating, but true.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28528919</id>
	<title>By Neruos</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246379040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"No amount of money is worth 1 human life. When you understand and accept that fundimental rule, humans will then posses the mindset to move past material gain and into the stars we all share."</p><p>-Neruos, 2009</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" No amount of money is worth 1 human life .
When you understand and accept that fundimental rule , humans will then posses the mindset to move past material gain and into the stars we all share .
" -Neruos , 2009</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"No amount of money is worth 1 human life.
When you understand and accept that fundimental rule, humans will then posses the mindset to move past material gain and into the stars we all share.
"-Neruos, 2009</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525081</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED! You Are So Wrong...</title>
	<author>PMBjornerud</author>
	<datestamp>1246392480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>But it doesn't really matter, does it? These were the extremely wealthy who were conned.</p><p>As far as the general public is concerned, it's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the wealthy.</p></div></blockquote><p>Excuse me, but...</p><p>I lost my job over this when my employer tanked because of Madoff's scam, and I never had a dime invested with him. This has affected all kinds of people!</p></div><p>Grandparent post, 2 sentences later:</p><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p> <b>And it's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the poor -- that's business as usual.</b> </p></div></blockquote></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But it does n't really matter , does it ?
These were the extremely wealthy who were conned.As far as the general public is concerned , it 's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the wealthy.Excuse me , but...I lost my job over this when my employer tanked because of Madoff 's scam , and I never had a dime invested with him .
This has affected all kinds of people ! Grandparent post , 2 sentences later : And it 's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the poor -- that 's business as usual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it doesn't really matter, does it?
These were the extremely wealthy who were conned.As far as the general public is concerned, it's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the wealthy.Excuse me, but...I lost my job over this when my employer tanked because of Madoff's scam, and I never had a dime invested with him.
This has affected all kinds of people!Grandparent post, 2 sentences later: And it's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the poor -- that's business as usual. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28527733</id>
	<title>so...</title>
	<author>fulldecent</author>
	<datestamp>1246374180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; Madoff's victims gasped and cheered when he was sentenced to 150 years in prison</p><p>That's just leaves the SEC and the Fed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Madoff 's victims gasped and cheered when he was sentenced to 150 years in prisonThat 's just leaves the SEC and the Fed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; Madoff's victims gasped and cheered when he was sentenced to 150 years in prisonThat's just leaves the SEC and the Fed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28526359</id>
	<title>Madoff'll be 221 when he gets out</title>
	<author>rs232</author>
	<datestamp>1246365660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does that mean he'll be 221 when he gets out ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does that mean he 'll be 221 when he gets out ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does that mean he'll be 221 when he gets out ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523003</id>
	<title>Re:Not a Bad Trade</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1246286220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you need to visit a federal prison. safe and relaxing are not words to describe it. "pound me in the ass federal prison" isn't far off the mark.</htmltext>
<tokenext>you need to visit a federal prison .
safe and relaxing are not words to describe it .
" pound me in the ass federal prison " is n't far off the mark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you need to visit a federal prison.
safe and relaxing are not words to describe it.
"pound me in the ass federal prison" isn't far off the mark.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522475</id>
	<title>Re:Self delusion is a powerful force</title>
	<author>jamstar7</author>
	<datestamp>1246282740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm not sure he really did know how bad things were, except for perhaps at the very end... for a long time I'm not sure he thought himself he was defrauding anyone.</p></div></blockquote><p>
He ran <b>NASDAQ</b> for fuck's sake.  That takes some serious economic knowledge as well as some heavy connections.  That kind of background, he <b>knew</b> what he was doing.  Ponzi schemes are <b>not</b> hard to spot if you know what to look for.  He knew.  He <b>knew</b> the bottom would drop out someday, and just bet that it would happen <b>after</b> he croaked.  He lost.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure he really did know how bad things were , except for perhaps at the very end... for a long time I 'm not sure he thought himself he was defrauding anyone .
He ran NASDAQ for fuck 's sake .
That takes some serious economic knowledge as well as some heavy connections .
That kind of background , he knew what he was doing .
Ponzi schemes are not hard to spot if you know what to look for .
He knew .
He knew the bottom would drop out someday , and just bet that it would happen after he croaked .
He lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure he really did know how bad things were, except for perhaps at the very end... for a long time I'm not sure he thought himself he was defrauding anyone.
He ran NASDAQ for fuck's sake.
That takes some serious economic knowledge as well as some heavy connections.
That kind of background, he knew what he was doing.
Ponzi schemes are not hard to spot if you know what to look for.
He knew.
He knew the bottom would drop out someday, and just bet that it would happen after he croaked.
He lost.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521403</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28531457</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is not the only one with greed</title>
	<author>nasor</author>
	<datestamp>1246386480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The thing is, Madoff's returns weren't that unbelievable. He was careful to always have slightly high-than-normal (but plausible) returns. That's a big part of the reason why so many extremely knowledgeable, competent investors were suckered by him. There were some other firms that very carefully studied his trading strategy so as to try to copy his success, and some of them eventually concluded that he was probably crooked, but it wasn't at all obvious to most people.

It's not like he was promising 15\% returns/year, or some other outlandish amount that would raise people's suspicions. It was more like everyone else was achieving 5\%-6\%, and he was claiming 5.5\%-6.5\%.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing is , Madoff 's returns were n't that unbelievable .
He was careful to always have slightly high-than-normal ( but plausible ) returns .
That 's a big part of the reason why so many extremely knowledgeable , competent investors were suckered by him .
There were some other firms that very carefully studied his trading strategy so as to try to copy his success , and some of them eventually concluded that he was probably crooked , but it was n't at all obvious to most people .
It 's not like he was promising 15 \ % returns/year , or some other outlandish amount that would raise people 's suspicions .
It was more like everyone else was achieving 5 \ % -6 \ % , and he was claiming 5.5 \ % -6.5 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing is, Madoff's returns weren't that unbelievable.
He was careful to always have slightly high-than-normal (but plausible) returns.
That's a big part of the reason why so many extremely knowledgeable, competent investors were suckered by him.
There were some other firms that very carefully studied his trading strategy so as to try to copy his success, and some of them eventually concluded that he was probably crooked, but it wasn't at all obvious to most people.
It's not like he was promising 15\% returns/year, or some other outlandish amount that would raise people's suspicions.
It was more like everyone else was achieving 5\%-6\%, and he was claiming 5.5\%-6.5\%.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521859</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521903</id>
	<title>Here's a moral question for you.</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1246279800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you could think of a way to do it. Is it OK to steal a little bit of money from everyone?</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you could think of a way to do it .
Is it OK to steal a little bit of money from everyone ?
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you could think of a way to do it.
Is it OK to steal a little bit of money from everyone?
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28531443</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is not the only one with greed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246386480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tell me: Is it more gratifying to judge other people from high atop your pillar of hindsight; or just easier?[/snark] Sorry, no disrespect intended<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>From what I understand about who this man was; I believe that if you were an investor in-the-know 5 years ago, and you were presented with the possibility that Bernie Madoff was either <br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; A) Running a ponzi scheme, or<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; B) Crapping out gold bricks.<br>
&nbsp; <br>You would be justified in presuming the latter; such was the man's reputation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell me : Is it more gratifying to judge other people from high atop your pillar of hindsight ; or just easier ?
[ /snark ] Sorry , no disrespect intended : ) From what I understand about who this man was ; I believe that if you were an investor in-the-know 5 years ago , and you were presented with the possibility that Bernie Madoff was either     A ) Running a ponzi scheme , or     B ) Crapping out gold bricks .
  You would be justified in presuming the latter ; such was the man 's reputation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell me: Is it more gratifying to judge other people from high atop your pillar of hindsight; or just easier?
[/snark] Sorry, no disrespect intended :)From what I understand about who this man was; I believe that if you were an investor in-the-know 5 years ago, and you were presented with the possibility that Bernie Madoff was either 
    A) Running a ponzi scheme, or
    B) Crapping out gold bricks.
  You would be justified in presuming the latter; such was the man's reputation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523383</id>
	<title>What if they put him in a cell with Bernie?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246288680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Ebbers, that is). Those two should have lots to talk about. I believe Ebbers was a patsy. Madoff, not so much. But both were, I think, surrounded by people who knew what was going on and didn't care because they assumed the top guy would take the fall and they would go free (and mostly they were right).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Ebbers , that is ) .
Those two should have lots to talk about .
I believe Ebbers was a patsy .
Madoff , not so much .
But both were , I think , surrounded by people who knew what was going on and did n't care because they assumed the top guy would take the fall and they would go free ( and mostly they were right ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Ebbers, that is).
Those two should have lots to talk about.
I believe Ebbers was a patsy.
Madoff, not so much.
But both were, I think, surrounded by people who knew what was going on and didn't care because they assumed the top guy would take the fall and they would go free (and mostly they were right).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28526047</id>
	<title>Re:torture</title>
	<author>Imsdal</author>
	<datestamp>1246362060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My understanding, after listening to Mr Cheney, is that waterboarding isn't torture, so you'll have to think of something else, I'm afraid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My understanding , after listening to Mr Cheney , is that waterboarding is n't torture , so you 'll have to think of something else , I 'm afraid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My understanding, after listening to Mr Cheney, is that waterboarding isn't torture, so you'll have to think of something else, I'm afraid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28527237</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is not the only one with greed</title>
	<author>Leafheart</author>
	<datestamp>1246371840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> wait, what??? You are seriously saying that the fact that I searched for a good deal makes me a type of "criminal", or at least responsible for some nefarious scheme? Even with the fact that I had no bloody idea this was going on?!?!?</p><p>Remember, Madoff had respect. People trusted him, and trusted his judgment. Everyone thought he was on the right and doing the right thing. No one expect this. And now, suddenly, those that invested are guilty!?!?!? And not only that, there are people that didn't even know they had investments with Madoff, they would investment in a foreign bank, on a hedge fund. And this bank would invest on Madoff's fund.</p><p>I'm sure I'm been trolled, and I will lose mod points by reply, but the fact that you are score:5 is just impressive</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wait , what ? ? ?
You are seriously saying that the fact that I searched for a good deal makes me a type of " criminal " , or at least responsible for some nefarious scheme ?
Even with the fact that I had no bloody idea this was going on ? ! ? !
? Remember , Madoff had respect .
People trusted him , and trusted his judgment .
Everyone thought he was on the right and doing the right thing .
No one expect this .
And now , suddenly , those that invested are guilty ! ? ! ? ! ?
And not only that , there are people that did n't even know they had investments with Madoff , they would investment in a foreign bank , on a hedge fund .
And this bank would invest on Madoff 's fund.I 'm sure I 'm been trolled , and I will lose mod points by reply , but the fact that you are score : 5 is just impressive</tokentext>
<sentencetext> wait, what???
You are seriously saying that the fact that I searched for a good deal makes me a type of "criminal", or at least responsible for some nefarious scheme?
Even with the fact that I had no bloody idea this was going on?!?!
?Remember, Madoff had respect.
People trusted him, and trusted his judgment.
Everyone thought he was on the right and doing the right thing.
No one expect this.
And now, suddenly, those that invested are guilty!?!?!?
And not only that, there are people that didn't even know they had investments with Madoff, they would investment in a foreign bank, on a hedge fund.
And this bank would invest on Madoff's fund.I'm sure I'm been trolled, and I will lose mod points by reply, but the fact that you are score:5 is just impressive</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525643</id>
	<title>Re:Where do I sign up?</title>
	<author>klui</author>
	<datestamp>1246356000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>May I suggest Madoff work here? <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/67483" title="newsweek.com">http://www.newsweek.com/id/67483</a> [newsweek.com] In 1 page <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/67483/output/print" title="newsweek.com">http://www.newsweek.com/id/67483/output/print</a> [newsweek.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>May I suggest Madoff work here ?
http : //www.newsweek.com/id/67483 [ newsweek.com ] In 1 page http : //www.newsweek.com/id/67483/output/print [ newsweek.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>May I suggest Madoff work here?
http://www.newsweek.com/id/67483 [newsweek.com] In 1 page http://www.newsweek.com/id/67483/output/print [newsweek.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525055</id>
	<title>Re:What did he do with $65 BILLION??</title>
	<author>Bonobo\_Unknown</author>
	<datestamp>1246392120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>65 BILLION. Imagine...</p></div><p>Half of one billion should be enough really...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>65 BILLION .
Imagine...Half of one billion should be enough really.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>65 BILLION.
Imagine...Half of one billion should be enough really...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28524277</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246297020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are going to spam your website everywhere, at least do it in your signature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are going to spam your website everywhere , at least do it in your signature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are going to spam your website everywhere, at least do it in your signature.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522191</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521773</id>
	<title>torture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246279080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why don't they use torture? Like waterboarding or maybe drug him and then hypnotize him. Who cares if it's against the constitution, this is an exceptional case (plus it's not like the constitution stopped this kind of thing before)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why do n't they use torture ?
Like waterboarding or maybe drug him and then hypnotize him .
Who cares if it 's against the constitution , this is an exceptional case ( plus it 's not like the constitution stopped this kind of thing before )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why don't they use torture?
Like waterboarding or maybe drug him and then hypnotize him.
Who cares if it's against the constitution, this is an exceptional case (plus it's not like the constitution stopped this kind of thing before)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522379</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>rubycodez</author>
	<datestamp>1246282260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>millions of people care very much, they lost a significant chunk of their retirement account because of this fraudster and the hundreds (if not thousands) who helped his scam.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>millions of people care very much , they lost a significant chunk of their retirement account because of this fraudster and the hundreds ( if not thousands ) who helped his scam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>millions of people care very much, they lost a significant chunk of their retirement account because of this fraudster and the hundreds (if not thousands) who helped his scam.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522853</id>
	<title>They should find a way to make live longer so he c</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1246285140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should find a way to make live longer so he can serve the full 150 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should find a way to make live longer so he can serve the full 150 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should find a way to make live longer so he can serve the full 150 years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523031</id>
	<title>Wikipedia...</title>
	<author>ProteusQ</author>
	<datestamp>1246286400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The online encyclopedia that anyone (who is \_in\_ with Jimbo Wales) can edit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The online encyclopedia that anyone ( who is \ _in \ _ with Jimbo Wales ) can edit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The online encyclopedia that anyone (who is \_in\_ with Jimbo Wales) can edit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522535</id>
	<title>Re:Madoff is not the only one with greed</title>
	<author>ctmurray</author>
	<datestamp>1246283100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The rich ones thought they were getting what they thought they deserved - high returns from being in the club. Rich seem to have access to investments that the average person does not (<a href="http://www.scribd.com/full/16868596?access\_key=key-k5z6qsr8uyarm9jnbi8" title="scribd.com">IPOs schemes</a> [scribd.com] for example). There have been many scandals along these lines. Then the charities and pension funds were just looking for a good return and probably thought they had gotten lucky to get refered to Maddof by their rich contacts.<br> <br>
Its not that hard to believe that they did not suspect anything was wrong. He used great tactics (by referral only - an exclusive club).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The rich ones thought they were getting what they thought they deserved - high returns from being in the club .
Rich seem to have access to investments that the average person does not ( IPOs schemes [ scribd.com ] for example ) .
There have been many scandals along these lines .
Then the charities and pension funds were just looking for a good return and probably thought they had gotten lucky to get refered to Maddof by their rich contacts .
Its not that hard to believe that they did not suspect anything was wrong .
He used great tactics ( by referral only - an exclusive club ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rich ones thought they were getting what they thought they deserved - high returns from being in the club.
Rich seem to have access to investments that the average person does not (IPOs schemes [scribd.com] for example).
There have been many scandals along these lines.
Then the charities and pension funds were just looking for a good return and probably thought they had gotten lucky to get refered to Maddof by their rich contacts.
Its not that hard to believe that they did not suspect anything was wrong.
He used great tactics (by referral only - an exclusive club).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522111</id>
	<title>Re:Now what about</title>
	<author>j. andrew rogers</author>
	<datestamp>1246280940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>all the jackasses at the SEC that ignored data again and again which pointed to fraud and enabled him to get away with this for so many years?</p></div></blockquote><p>
They not only were not punished, they were given a promotion. The Obama administration made Mary Schapiro the head of the SEC, despite a pattern of what could only be described as egregious incompetence if we are generous, stonewalling or ignoring whistleblowers in a number of high-profile fraud cases including Madoff.</p><p>
Madoff goes to prison, the regulators who bent over backward to not notice the fraud when it was brought to their attention get a promotion.  See how this works?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>all the jackasses at the SEC that ignored data again and again which pointed to fraud and enabled him to get away with this for so many years ?
They not only were not punished , they were given a promotion .
The Obama administration made Mary Schapiro the head of the SEC , despite a pattern of what could only be described as egregious incompetence if we are generous , stonewalling or ignoring whistleblowers in a number of high-profile fraud cases including Madoff .
Madoff goes to prison , the regulators who bent over backward to not notice the fraud when it was brought to their attention get a promotion .
See how this works ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>all the jackasses at the SEC that ignored data again and again which pointed to fraud and enabled him to get away with this for so many years?
They not only were not punished, they were given a promotion.
The Obama administration made Mary Schapiro the head of the SEC, despite a pattern of what could only be described as egregious incompetence if we are generous, stonewalling or ignoring whistleblowers in a number of high-profile fraud cases including Madoff.
Madoff goes to prison, the regulators who bent over backward to not notice the fraud when it was brought to their attention get a promotion.
See how this works?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28530683</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>ralphdaugherty</author>
	<datestamp>1246384440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Why do universities invest money ?</i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; They invest private endowments and use for annual scholarships and the like from the proceeds.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; It's impossible not to invest it, even if you buy US Treasuries with it.</p><p>
&nbsp; rd<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do universities invest money ?
      They invest private endowments and use for annual scholarships and the like from the proceeds .
      It 's impossible not to invest it , even if you buy US Treasuries with it .
  rd  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do universities invest money ?
      They invest private endowments and use for annual scholarships and the like from the proceeds.
      It's impossible not to invest it, even if you buy US Treasuries with it.
  rd
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28525073</id>
	<title>I have a better idea.</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1246392300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think he should have been sentenced to 1 year for every million dollars he stole. He'd be doing over 40,000 years.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think he should have been sentenced to 1 year for every million dollars he stole .
He 'd be doing over 40,000 years.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think he should have been sentenced to 1 year for every million dollars he stole.
He'd be doing over 40,000 years.LK</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28522467</id>
	<title>Re:Parity (parody?)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246282740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you rape or murder over 13000 people, you'll probably get a long sentence too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you rape or murder over 13000 people , you 'll probably get a long sentence too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you rape or murder over 13000 people, you'll probably get a long sentence too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521463</id>
	<title>Madoff is content</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246277580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've thought this since news of the scandal broke:<br> <br>You know why Bernie Madoff seems to be very complacent about the whole thing?  Because his sons got off scot-free.  Madoff is quite fine with sacrificing his freedom for the rest of his life... there are few things more [noble? gratifying?] than sacrificing yourself for your children.<br> <br>I still believe it very unlikely that Bernie's sons didn't knowingly participate in this... or at least were aware of it.  The whole way that the story broke... Madoff confessed to his son when he caught him trying to cover it up or something... then the sons convincing him to turn himself in...<br> <br>I think Bernie is at least partly taking the fall for his sons.  I only wish we could find out the whole truth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've thought this since news of the scandal broke : You know why Bernie Madoff seems to be very complacent about the whole thing ?
Because his sons got off scot-free .
Madoff is quite fine with sacrificing his freedom for the rest of his life... there are few things more [ noble ?
gratifying ? ] than sacrificing yourself for your children .
I still believe it very unlikely that Bernie 's sons did n't knowingly participate in this... or at least were aware of it .
The whole way that the story broke... Madoff confessed to his son when he caught him trying to cover it up or something... then the sons convincing him to turn himself in... I think Bernie is at least partly taking the fall for his sons .
I only wish we could find out the whole truth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've thought this since news of the scandal broke: You know why Bernie Madoff seems to be very complacent about the whole thing?
Because his sons got off scot-free.
Madoff is quite fine with sacrificing his freedom for the rest of his life... there are few things more [noble?
gratifying?] than sacrificing yourself for your children.
I still believe it very unlikely that Bernie's sons didn't knowingly participate in this... or at least were aware of it.
The whole way that the story broke... Madoff confessed to his son when he caught him trying to cover it up or something... then the sons convincing him to turn himself in... I think Bernie is at least partly taking the fall for his sons.
I only wish we could find out the whole truth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521909</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED! You Are So Wrong...</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1246279860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But it doesn't really matter, does it? These were the extremely wealthy who were conned.<br>
As far as the general public is concerned, it's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the wealthy.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Excuse me, but...
<br> <br>
I lost my job over this when my employer tanked because of Madoff's scam, and I never had a dime invested with him. This has affected all kinds of people!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But it does n't really matter , does it ?
These were the extremely wealthy who were conned .
As far as the general public is concerned , it 's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the wealthy .
Excuse me , but.. . I lost my job over this when my employer tanked because of Madoff 's scam , and I never had a dime invested with him .
This has affected all kinds of people !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But it doesn't really matter, does it?
These were the extremely wealthy who were conned.
As far as the general public is concerned, it's not a big deal when the wealthy steal from the wealthy.
Excuse me, but...
 
I lost my job over this when my employer tanked because of Madoff's scam, and I never had a dime invested with him.
This has affected all kinds of people!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523179</id>
	<title>America doesn't but Dick Cheney does!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246287540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows.'</p><p>And if they kill him, they'll never know.<br>I say bring on Dick Cheney and get the rest out of him!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows .
'And if they kill him , they 'll never know.I say bring on Dick Cheney and get the rest out of him !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'I simply do not get the sense that Mr. Madoff has done all that he could or told all that he knows.
'And if they kill him, they'll never know.I say bring on Dick Cheney and get the rest out of him!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28529791</id>
	<title>this man needs to be made an Example of</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246381980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this man needs to be torture'ed beating to with in inches of his life<br>then kanned salt poured over his wounds<br>left to heal then the process started all over again</p><p>all of the people that worked with him also same treatment for them</p><p>the people that was suppost to be watching all of this  sames needs to be done<br>the man is 77 years old with a 150 year sentence<br>hes going to end up at a old people fed resort  low to mid range prison most likely fort dix or something</p><p>living out the rest of his live in a fed resort with out much fear for his life</p><p>this man is worst them all of the pedos out there that distroy peoples lifes<br>hes has distroys so many countless more</p><p>i really think that this man should be hung out to dry for along time so as to let be known that this will not be allowed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this man needs to be torture'ed beating to with in inches of his lifethen kanned salt poured over his woundsleft to heal then the process started all over againall of the people that worked with him also same treatment for themthe people that was suppost to be watching all of this sames needs to be donethe man is 77 years old with a 150 year sentencehes going to end up at a old people fed resort low to mid range prison most likely fort dix or somethingliving out the rest of his live in a fed resort with out much fear for his lifethis man is worst them all of the pedos out there that distroy peoples lifeshes has distroys so many countless morei really think that this man should be hung out to dry for along time so as to let be known that this will not be allowed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this man needs to be torture'ed beating to with in inches of his lifethen kanned salt poured over his woundsleft to heal then the process started all over againall of the people that worked with him also same treatment for themthe people that was suppost to be watching all of this  sames needs to be donethe man is 77 years old with a 150 year sentencehes going to end up at a old people fed resort  low to mid range prison most likely fort dix or somethingliving out the rest of his live in a fed resort with out much fear for his lifethis man is worst them all of the pedos out there that distroy peoples lifeshes has distroys so many countless morei really think that this man should be hung out to dry for along time so as to let be known that this will not be allowed</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28527519</id>
	<title>Bogus Figure</title>
	<author>Narcogen</author>
	<datestamp>1246373100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the love of Mike, can we get people to stop quoting the bogus $65B figure?</p><p>If I take a dollor from you today and claim I'm going to turn it into a million by tomorrow, and tomorrow I don't have the million, how much have I swindled? One million? Or one dollar?</p><p>$65B is the total of money Madoff said he made for all his clients. The thing is, he never made it, since he was using money from later investors to show gains for old ones. That's why it's a pyramid scheme. The "value" of a pyramid isn't the amount of the supposed, fictional eventual payoff, it's the value of all the real money that went into it, which in this case was a lot less than $65B.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the love of Mike , can we get people to stop quoting the bogus $ 65B figure ? If I take a dollor from you today and claim I 'm going to turn it into a million by tomorrow , and tomorrow I do n't have the million , how much have I swindled ?
One million ?
Or one dollar ? $ 65B is the total of money Madoff said he made for all his clients .
The thing is , he never made it , since he was using money from later investors to show gains for old ones .
That 's why it 's a pyramid scheme .
The " value " of a pyramid is n't the amount of the supposed , fictional eventual payoff , it 's the value of all the real money that went into it , which in this case was a lot less than $ 65B .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the love of Mike, can we get people to stop quoting the bogus $65B figure?If I take a dollor from you today and claim I'm going to turn it into a million by tomorrow, and tomorrow I don't have the million, how much have I swindled?
One million?
Or one dollar?$65B is the total of money Madoff said he made for all his clients.
The thing is, he never made it, since he was using money from later investors to show gains for old ones.
That's why it's a pyramid scheme.
The "value" of a pyramid isn't the amount of the supposed, fictional eventual payoff, it's the value of all the real money that went into it, which in this case was a lot less than $65B.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28529055</id>
	<title>Re:Bullshit</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246379520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fisrt off, while it won't be with muderers and rapist, it's still not pleasant.</p><p>Secondly, If your Boss was found to be ripping off investors, should you give back all the money you earned while working for them?</p><p>"If you are a minority expect to live all BUT 10 years of your life in jail or the slums. "<br>Bull. Shit.</p><p>You are an angry person bordering on psychotic. I suggest you seek help.</p><p>I would argue he should be stripped of all his assets, marked as a felon, and not allowed to work  or invest in any financial aspect of the financial industry.<br>His life would be harder and we wouldn't be paying for his incarceration. Maybe make him pick up trash on week ends for the rest of his life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fisrt off , while it wo n't be with muderers and rapist , it 's still not pleasant.Secondly , If your Boss was found to be ripping off investors , should you give back all the money you earned while working for them ?
" If you are a minority expect to live all BUT 10 years of your life in jail or the slums .
" Bull. Shit.You are an angry person bordering on psychotic .
I suggest you seek help.I would argue he should be stripped of all his assets , marked as a felon , and not allowed to work or invest in any financial aspect of the financial industry.His life would be harder and we would n't be paying for his incarceration .
Maybe make him pick up trash on week ends for the rest of his life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fisrt off, while it won't be with muderers and rapist, it's still not pleasant.Secondly, If your Boss was found to be ripping off investors, should you give back all the money you earned while working for them?
"If you are a minority expect to live all BUT 10 years of your life in jail or the slums.
"Bull. Shit.You are an angry person bordering on psychotic.
I suggest you seek help.I would argue he should be stripped of all his assets, marked as a felon, and not allowed to work  or invest in any financial aspect of the financial industry.His life would be harder and we wouldn't be paying for his incarceration.
Maybe make him pick up trash on week ends for the rest of his life.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28523761</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2227237.28521721</id>
	<title>Re:DOOOOOOPED!</title>
	<author>$RANDOMLUSER</author>
	<datestamp>1246278840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know. I get dooped at Slashdot all the time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know .
I get dooped at Slashdot all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know.
I get dooped at Slashdot all the time.</sentencetext>
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