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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_29_1441209</id>
	<title>Standard Cellphone Chargers For Europeans</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1246292340000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://proliferationoflinux.org/" rel="nofollow">k33l0r</a> writes <i>"The European Commission is confident that all major cellphone companies have reached an agreement on a <a href="http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE55S1XZ20090629">standard cellphone charger</a> for consumers within the EU. 'People will not have to throw away their charger whenever they buy a new phone,' said EU Industry Commissioner Guenter Verheugen.
Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, Apple, LG, NEC, Qualcomm, Research in Motion, Samsung and Texas Instruments have all signed the agreement."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>k33l0r writes " The European Commission is confident that all major cellphone companies have reached an agreement on a standard cellphone charger for consumers within the EU .
'People will not have to throw away their charger whenever they buy a new phone, ' said EU Industry Commissioner Guenter Verheugen .
Nokia , Sony Ericsson , Motorola , Apple , LG , NEC , Qualcomm , Research in Motion , Samsung and Texas Instruments have all signed the agreement .
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<sentencetext>k33l0r writes "The European Commission is confident that all major cellphone companies have reached an agreement on a standard cellphone charger for consumers within the EU.
'People will not have to throw away their charger whenever they buy a new phone,' said EU Industry Commissioner Guenter Verheugen.
Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, Apple, LG, NEC, Qualcomm, Research in Motion, Samsung and Texas Instruments have all signed the agreement.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28520945</id>
	<title>Re:Batteries too...</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1246274820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of the tricks they use to get more battery life is to shape the battery to the available space in the device, which makes standardization difficult if you want maximal battery life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the tricks they use to get more battery life is to shape the battery to the available space in the device , which makes standardization difficult if you want maximal battery life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the tricks they use to get more battery life is to shape the battery to the available space in the device, which makes standardization difficult if you want maximal battery life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515299</id>
	<title>It MUST be MiniUSB</title>
	<author>EkriirkE</author>
	<datestamp>1246296240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Otherwise you would need 2 adapters to plug into the wall and the computer at the same time.  It only makes sense to use 1 connector to handle both -- and that is probably so obvious that it won't be done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Otherwise you would need 2 adapters to plug into the wall and the computer at the same time .
It only makes sense to use 1 connector to handle both -- and that is probably so obvious that it wo n't be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Otherwise you would need 2 adapters to plug into the wall and the computer at the same time.
It only makes sense to use 1 connector to handle both -- and that is probably so obvious that it won't be done.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28518597</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>nido</author>
	<datestamp>1246309080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed.</p></div><p>You mean driver, right?  My Motorola phone charges on Windows just fine with the driver and a standard mini-usb cable, and it charges on FreeBSD 7.x without any special software.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed.You mean driver , right ?
My Motorola phone charges on Windows just fine with the driver and a standard mini-usb cable , and it charges on FreeBSD 7.x without any special software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed.You mean driver, right?
My Motorola phone charges on Windows just fine with the driver and a standard mini-usb cable, and it charges on FreeBSD 7.x without any special software.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28518429</id>
	<title>Re:Good!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246308300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sony Ericsson changed chargers when the platform changed and required a different voltage.  Whichever one of you has the older one has one from 4 or 5 years ago, which was the switch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony Ericsson changed chargers when the platform changed and required a different voltage .
Whichever one of you has the older one has one from 4 or 5 years ago , which was the switch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony Ericsson changed chargers when the platform changed and required a different voltage.
Whichever one of you has the older one has one from 4 or 5 years ago, which was the switch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517119</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks EU regulation</title>
	<author>itsme1234</author>
	<datestamp>1246303020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The market at least in the EU had already pretty much standardised on USB charging.. every non-nokia phone I've had used it. Nokia of course had to be different, but there's only 2 nokia charging standards and adapters are readily available (and since ~70\% of the phones you see around are Nokias, it's a sort of standard).</i></p><p><i>What this does is codify what was already happening.</i></p><p>In what world is this already happening?! We bought at the office recently two Nokia, two Sony-Ericsson and one Samsung. They are beyond craziness with respect to connectors.</p><p>- both Nokias have the "standard Nokia" thin connector that doesn't comply to ANY reasonable electric standard so you can't just connect it directly to USB or any power supply of any reasonable parameters. Specifications here: <a href="http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3378ff2b-4016-42b9-9118-d59e4313a521/Nokia\_2-mm\_DC\_Charging\_Interface\_Specification\_v1\_2\_en.pdf.html" title="nokia.com">http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3378ff2b-4016-42b9-9118-d59e4313a521/Nokia\_2-mm\_DC\_Charging\_Interface\_Specification\_v1\_2\_en.pdf.html</a> [nokia.com]<br>- one Nokia HAS a standard mini (or micro?) USB connector but it won't charge over it<br>- the other Nokia has a USB connector that LOOKS like mini but it doesn't fit anything but a specific Nokia cable. It still doesn't charge over it<br>- both S-E are equally crazy. You need to connect the headphones to the bottom of the phone via a proprietary connector! This is where power and USB cable also go! Still they would charge over USB but you need the proprietary cable and you need to have the proper drivers in the OS (yes, to charge). Because everything connects there you have interesting combinations like you can't charge when listening to the headphones or you can't listen to the radio while charging (because radio needs the headphones plugged in for antenna)<br>- Samsung has some kind of crazy flat connector, did not take a close look but certainly not USB of any kind<br>- for S-E and Samsung the old chargers don't fit the new phones.</p><p>I see this as a BIG MOVE for Europe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The market at least in the EU had already pretty much standardised on USB charging.. every non-nokia phone I 've had used it .
Nokia of course had to be different , but there 's only 2 nokia charging standards and adapters are readily available ( and since ~ 70 \ % of the phones you see around are Nokias , it 's a sort of standard ) .What this does is codify what was already happening.In what world is this already happening ? !
We bought at the office recently two Nokia , two Sony-Ericsson and one Samsung .
They are beyond craziness with respect to connectors.- both Nokias have the " standard Nokia " thin connector that does n't comply to ANY reasonable electric standard so you ca n't just connect it directly to USB or any power supply of any reasonable parameters .
Specifications here : http : //www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3378ff2b-4016-42b9-9118-d59e4313a521/Nokia \ _2-mm \ _DC \ _Charging \ _Interface \ _Specification \ _v1 \ _2 \ _en.pdf.html [ nokia.com ] - one Nokia HAS a standard mini ( or micro ?
) USB connector but it wo n't charge over it- the other Nokia has a USB connector that LOOKS like mini but it does n't fit anything but a specific Nokia cable .
It still does n't charge over it- both S-E are equally crazy .
You need to connect the headphones to the bottom of the phone via a proprietary connector !
This is where power and USB cable also go !
Still they would charge over USB but you need the proprietary cable and you need to have the proper drivers in the OS ( yes , to charge ) .
Because everything connects there you have interesting combinations like you ca n't charge when listening to the headphones or you ca n't listen to the radio while charging ( because radio needs the headphones plugged in for antenna ) - Samsung has some kind of crazy flat connector , did not take a close look but certainly not USB of any kind- for S-E and Samsung the old chargers do n't fit the new phones.I see this as a BIG MOVE for Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The market at least in the EU had already pretty much standardised on USB charging.. every non-nokia phone I've had used it.
Nokia of course had to be different, but there's only 2 nokia charging standards and adapters are readily available (and since ~70\% of the phones you see around are Nokias, it's a sort of standard).What this does is codify what was already happening.In what world is this already happening?!
We bought at the office recently two Nokia, two Sony-Ericsson and one Samsung.
They are beyond craziness with respect to connectors.- both Nokias have the "standard Nokia" thin connector that doesn't comply to ANY reasonable electric standard so you can't just connect it directly to USB or any power supply of any reasonable parameters.
Specifications here: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3378ff2b-4016-42b9-9118-d59e4313a521/Nokia\_2-mm\_DC\_Charging\_Interface\_Specification\_v1\_2\_en.pdf.html [nokia.com]- one Nokia HAS a standard mini (or micro?
) USB connector but it won't charge over it- the other Nokia has a USB connector that LOOKS like mini but it doesn't fit anything but a specific Nokia cable.
It still doesn't charge over it- both S-E are equally crazy.
You need to connect the headphones to the bottom of the phone via a proprietary connector!
This is where power and USB cable also go!
Still they would charge over USB but you need the proprietary cable and you need to have the proper drivers in the OS (yes, to charge).
Because everything connects there you have interesting combinations like you can't charge when listening to the headphones or you can't listen to the radio while charging (because radio needs the headphones plugged in for antenna)- Samsung has some kind of crazy flat connector, did not take a close look but certainly not USB of any kind- for S-E and Samsung the old chargers don't fit the new phones.I see this as a BIG MOVE for Europe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517701</id>
	<title>hahha</title>
	<author>pwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1246305300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So here I am, at work.  My phone dies and I need a charger.  we have all kinds of phones and not a single one has the same samsung connector... NOT EVEN THE ONE SAMSUNG PHONE I WAS ABLE TO FIND!

Too bad I don't live in the EU... but atleast this might make them go standard in all regions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So here I am , at work .
My phone dies and I need a charger .
we have all kinds of phones and not a single one has the same samsung connector... NOT EVEN THE ONE SAMSUNG PHONE I WAS ABLE TO FIND !
Too bad I do n't live in the EU... but atleast this might make them go standard in all regions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So here I am, at work.
My phone dies and I need a charger.
we have all kinds of phones and not a single one has the same samsung connector... NOT EVEN THE ONE SAMSUNG PHONE I WAS ABLE TO FIND!
Too bad I don't live in the EU... but atleast this might make them go standard in all regions.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28519717</id>
	<title>Re:How about the damn US?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246269600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having sold cellphones at a previous job I know that the companies LOVE the markup on chargers.  Especially selling the car charger in a bundle of accessories.  I doubt any company is keen to loose 270\% profit even on a small item when they can barely turn 5\% from the cellphone itself. That is of course before they get their contract incentives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having sold cellphones at a previous job I know that the companies LOVE the markup on chargers .
Especially selling the car charger in a bundle of accessories .
I doubt any company is keen to loose 270 \ % profit even on a small item when they can barely turn 5 \ % from the cellphone itself .
That is of course before they get their contract incentives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having sold cellphones at a previous job I know that the companies LOVE the markup on chargers.
Especially selling the car charger in a bundle of accessories.
I doubt any company is keen to loose 270\% profit even on a small item when they can barely turn 5\% from the cellphone itself.
That is of course before they get their contract incentives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515547</id>
	<title>Re:Good, I guess...</title>
	<author>ByOhTek</author>
	<datestamp>1246297140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/ptech/06/29/cellphones.universal.charger/index.html" title="cnn.com">another article</a> [cnn.com], Apple will be moving to the new format.</p><p>While you may have read TFA, you didn't read the post you replied to, or don't realize the iPhone isn't made by Nokia, but rather another company that likes using a lower-case 'i' in front of all of their product names.</p><p>iWonder who that would be?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From another article [ cnn.com ] , Apple will be moving to the new format.While you may have read TFA , you did n't read the post you replied to , or do n't realize the iPhone is n't made by Nokia , but rather another company that likes using a lower-case 'i ' in front of all of their product names.iWonder who that would be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From another article [cnn.com], Apple will be moving to the new format.While you may have read TFA, you didn't read the post you replied to, or don't realize the iPhone isn't made by Nokia, but rather another company that likes using a lower-case 'i' in front of all of their product names.iWonder who that would be?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515701</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>Forge</author>
	<datestamp>1246297860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>RTFA
<br>
It will be Mini-USB. However there are 2 issues still to clarify.
<br> <br>
1. Will the phone be required to charge at the standard voltages delivered by a PC USB port? I would hate to see that BS achieved by Motorola, where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed. I would prefer if everyone else has to change to match Blackberry. If my Blackberry runs low in the data center I can just plug into any exposed USB port on a powered up server. . A Dell waiting at the BIOS screen or a SUN in full production.
<br> <br>
2. Will this be coordinated with the Chinese standard? If both the EU and China agree on a standard, India and Japan can be convinced to adopt it. Leaving America to figure out which direction it wants to go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFA It will be Mini-USB .
However there are 2 issues still to clarify .
1. Will the phone be required to charge at the standard voltages delivered by a PC USB port ?
I would hate to see that BS achieved by Motorola , where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed .
I would prefer if everyone else has to change to match Blackberry .
If my Blackberry runs low in the data center I can just plug into any exposed USB port on a powered up server .
. A Dell waiting at the BIOS screen or a SUN in full production .
2. Will this be coordinated with the Chinese standard ?
If both the EU and China agree on a standard , India and Japan can be convinced to adopt it .
Leaving America to figure out which direction it wants to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFA

It will be Mini-USB.
However there are 2 issues still to clarify.
1. Will the phone be required to charge at the standard voltages delivered by a PC USB port?
I would hate to see that BS achieved by Motorola, where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed.
I would prefer if everyone else has to change to match Blackberry.
If my Blackberry runs low in the data center I can just plug into any exposed USB port on a powered up server.
. A Dell waiting at the BIOS screen or a SUN in full production.
2. Will this be coordinated with the Chinese standard?
If both the EU and China agree on a standard, India and Japan can be convinced to adopt it.
Leaving America to figure out which direction it wants to go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515819</id>
	<title>With regard to the iPhone</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1246298160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple indicates while it won't drop its connector, it will enable adaptors to be made:</p><p><a href="http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-won-t-drop-dock-connector-for-micro-usb-612103" title="techradar.com">http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-won-t-drop-dock-connector-for-micro-usb-612103</a> [techradar.com]</p><p>Considering that it already connects to USB sockets, then all that is needed is a USB - micro-USB adaptor.</p><p>The only question is whether USB power plugs will be made 'smarter', since there are still some that won't charge certain telephones for what ever reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple indicates while it wo n't drop its connector , it will enable adaptors to be made : http : //www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-won-t-drop-dock-connector-for-micro-usb-612103 [ techradar.com ] Considering that it already connects to USB sockets , then all that is needed is a USB - micro-USB adaptor.The only question is whether USB power plugs will be made 'smarter ' , since there are still some that wo n't charge certain telephones for what ever reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple indicates while it won't drop its connector, it will enable adaptors to be made:http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-won-t-drop-dock-connector-for-micro-usb-612103 [techradar.com]Considering that it already connects to USB sockets, then all that is needed is a USB - micro-USB adaptor.The only question is whether USB power plugs will be made 'smarter', since there are still some that won't charge certain telephones for what ever reason.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28522575</id>
	<title>Re:Mini-USB Lockin, there are ways</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246283340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Motorola came with a simple 2-wire mini-usb charger and will charge off anything that provides 5v at sufficient current. Admittedly I got it in China and the charger looks like it was intended for the European market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Motorola came with a simple 2-wire mini-usb charger and will charge off anything that provides 5v at sufficient current .
Admittedly I got it in China and the charger looks like it was intended for the European market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Motorola came with a simple 2-wire mini-usb charger and will charge off anything that provides 5v at sufficient current.
Admittedly I got it in China and the charger looks like it was intended for the European market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517321</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>fooslacker</author>
	<datestamp>1246303800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If my Blackberry runs low in the data center I can just plug into any exposed USB port on a powered up server. . A Dell waiting at the BIOS screen or a SUN in full production.</p></div><p>Would you mind plugging my BlackBerry into one of your production servers please?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If my Blackberry runs low in the data center I can just plug into any exposed USB port on a powered up server .
. A Dell waiting at the BIOS screen or a SUN in full production.Would you mind plugging my BlackBerry into one of your production servers please ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If my Blackberry runs low in the data center I can just plug into any exposed USB port on a powered up server.
. A Dell waiting at the BIOS screen or a SUN in full production.Would you mind plugging my BlackBerry into one of your production servers please?
;)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515303</id>
	<title>Douglas Adams would be delighted</title>
	<author>blutfink</author>
	<datestamp>1246296300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://douglasadams.com/dna/980707-03-a.html" title="douglasadams.com" rel="nofollow">http://douglasadams.com/dna/980707-03-a.html</a> [douglasadams.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //douglasadams.com/dna/980707-03-a.html [ douglasadams.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://douglasadams.com/dna/980707-03-a.html [douglasadams.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516235</id>
	<title>Part of the USB Spec</title>
	<author>pavon</author>
	<datestamp>1246299780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is part of the USB spec. Originally USB hosts were only required to provide a certain amount of current to devices. Later they decided to increase this, but to provide backwards compatibility the device has to ask if the host is capable of sourcing that much current before it starts drawing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is part of the USB spec .
Originally USB hosts were only required to provide a certain amount of current to devices .
Later they decided to increase this , but to provide backwards compatibility the device has to ask if the host is capable of sourcing that much current before it starts drawing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is part of the USB spec.
Originally USB hosts were only required to provide a certain amount of current to devices.
Later they decided to increase this, but to provide backwards compatibility the device has to ask if the host is capable of sourcing that much current before it starts drawing it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516325</id>
	<title>Only for data enabled phones</title>
	<author>farmerj</author>
	<datestamp>1246300140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the article:<p><div class="quote"><p>The chargers will be usable only for data-enabled phones, which have more capability than just standard calls and SMS texts. Data-enabled phones are expected to account for almost half of all new mobile handset purchases in 2010.</p></div><p>So while definitely a move in the right direction it looks like it's only going to effect around half of the mobile phones sold in Europe initially.
<br>
I would expect this proportion to increase as smart phones move down into the lower cost markets though.

</p><p>
It's also not as big a jump for the manufactures this way as most of the smart phones already use some type of usb connection (mini or micro) so it shouldn't require a complete change of designs and tooling.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : The chargers will be usable only for data-enabled phones , which have more capability than just standard calls and SMS texts .
Data-enabled phones are expected to account for almost half of all new mobile handset purchases in 2010.So while definitely a move in the right direction it looks like it 's only going to effect around half of the mobile phones sold in Europe initially .
I would expect this proportion to increase as smart phones move down into the lower cost markets though .
It 's also not as big a jump for the manufactures this way as most of the smart phones already use some type of usb connection ( mini or micro ) so it should n't require a complete change of designs and tooling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:The chargers will be usable only for data-enabled phones, which have more capability than just standard calls and SMS texts.
Data-enabled phones are expected to account for almost half of all new mobile handset purchases in 2010.So while definitely a move in the right direction it looks like it's only going to effect around half of the mobile phones sold in Europe initially.
I would expect this proportion to increase as smart phones move down into the lower cost markets though.
It's also not as big a jump for the manufactures this way as most of the smart phones already use some type of usb connection (mini or micro) so it shouldn't require a complete change of designs and tooling.

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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517239</id>
	<title>Re:Micro is superior for this use...</title>
	<author>mlts</author>
	<datestamp>1246303500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What I wonder about is how this will hold up come USB 3.0 and the devices that come with that.  The MicroUSB connector has the new connections used for the 3.0 spec added on to the right, making the connector more than twice as wide.  From what I see, there isn't a mini USB spec for 3.0 yet.</p><p>Hopefully the micro USB cable has the abilities to last the same large amount of insert and release cycles as the current spec.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What I wonder about is how this will hold up come USB 3.0 and the devices that come with that .
The MicroUSB connector has the new connections used for the 3.0 spec added on to the right , making the connector more than twice as wide .
From what I see , there is n't a mini USB spec for 3.0 yet.Hopefully the micro USB cable has the abilities to last the same large amount of insert and release cycles as the current spec .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What I wonder about is how this will hold up come USB 3.0 and the devices that come with that.
The MicroUSB connector has the new connections used for the 3.0 spec added on to the right, making the connector more than twice as wide.
From what I see, there isn't a mini USB spec for 3.0 yet.Hopefully the micro USB cable has the abilities to last the same large amount of insert and release cycles as the current spec.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516249</id>
	<title>Re:Good!</title>
	<author>rthomanek</author>
	<datestamp>1246299840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My girlfriend and me have both a Sony-Ericson phone, bought 3 years apart. Guess what ? Both chargers and connectors are proprietary, fragile, weird and different! Of course if you lose it you'll have to spend an arm to get a replacement.</p></div><p>While I am more than happy to have the proprietary chargers replaced by a common standard, the statement above contains at least misinformation, if not ill will.</p><p>I've been using Ericsson phones since nearly 15 years now. For the better part of it, they had one standard of charging port. Some three years ago they decided to change it to a new standard. Yes, both were proprietary, but neither of them was weird nor fragile (they are not as trivial as a simple jack is but you quickly come to appreciate their actual solution when you notice it is just the right balance between stiffness/ stability of the connection and the protection from doing damage to either the port or the connector).</p><p>And no, they are not expensive to get. New chargers on Ebay cost some 3 EUR, if you are afraid they are not "genuine" you can go to a phone dealer and get one for twice as much (my estimate, given the cost of other accessories from SE).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My girlfriend and me have both a Sony-Ericson phone , bought 3 years apart .
Guess what ?
Both chargers and connectors are proprietary , fragile , weird and different !
Of course if you lose it you 'll have to spend an arm to get a replacement.While I am more than happy to have the proprietary chargers replaced by a common standard , the statement above contains at least misinformation , if not ill will.I 've been using Ericsson phones since nearly 15 years now .
For the better part of it , they had one standard of charging port .
Some three years ago they decided to change it to a new standard .
Yes , both were proprietary , but neither of them was weird nor fragile ( they are not as trivial as a simple jack is but you quickly come to appreciate their actual solution when you notice it is just the right balance between stiffness/ stability of the connection and the protection from doing damage to either the port or the connector ) .And no , they are not expensive to get .
New chargers on Ebay cost some 3 EUR , if you are afraid they are not " genuine " you can go to a phone dealer and get one for twice as much ( my estimate , given the cost of other accessories from SE ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My girlfriend and me have both a Sony-Ericson phone, bought 3 years apart.
Guess what ?
Both chargers and connectors are proprietary, fragile, weird and different!
Of course if you lose it you'll have to spend an arm to get a replacement.While I am more than happy to have the proprietary chargers replaced by a common standard, the statement above contains at least misinformation, if not ill will.I've been using Ericsson phones since nearly 15 years now.
For the better part of it, they had one standard of charging port.
Some three years ago they decided to change it to a new standard.
Yes, both were proprietary, but neither of them was weird nor fragile (they are not as trivial as a simple jack is but you quickly come to appreciate their actual solution when you notice it is just the right balance between stiffness/ stability of the connection and the protection from doing damage to either the port or the connector).And no, they are not expensive to get.
New chargers on Ebay cost some 3 EUR, if you are afraid they are not "genuine" you can go to a phone dealer and get one for twice as much (my estimate, given the cost of other accessories from SE).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515883</id>
	<title>Micro is superior for this use...</title>
	<author>nweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1246298400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MiniUSB is rated for 1000 connect/disconnect cycles</p><p>MicroUSB is rated for 10,000 connect/disconnect cycles, and is also thinner by about 1.5mm (critical on modern thin devices).</p><p>Given the power consumption on some smartphones, having the more durable connector is IMO, essential.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MiniUSB is rated for 1000 connect/disconnect cyclesMicroUSB is rated for 10,000 connect/disconnect cycles , and is also thinner by about 1.5mm ( critical on modern thin devices ) .Given the power consumption on some smartphones , having the more durable connector is IMO , essential .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MiniUSB is rated for 1000 connect/disconnect cyclesMicroUSB is rated for 10,000 connect/disconnect cycles, and is also thinner by about 1.5mm (critical on modern thin devices).Given the power consumption on some smartphones, having the more durable connector is IMO, essential.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517005</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>powerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1246302660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is a good example of why I will not get a Motorola phone, or get cell phone service from Verizon (despite how much I want all those people from the adverts to follow me around~).</p><p>Most other cell phones are "good enough" in my area, and I'd rather go with T-mobile who don't lock their phones to Kingdom Come just to force you to buy more services from them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is a good example of why I will not get a Motorola phone , or get cell phone service from Verizon ( despite how much I want all those people from the adverts to follow me around ~ ) .Most other cell phones are " good enough " in my area , and I 'd rather go with T-mobile who do n't lock their phones to Kingdom Come just to force you to buy more services from them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is a good example of why I will not get a Motorola phone, or get cell phone service from Verizon (despite how much I want all those people from the adverts to follow me around~).Most other cell phones are "good enough" in my area, and I'd rather go with T-mobile who don't lock their phones to Kingdom Come just to force you to buy more services from them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515283</id>
	<title>Micro</title>
	<author>pete-classic</author>
	<datestamp>1246296180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The story is incorrectly tagged miniusb.  It's actually micro USB (which is an inferior connector, in my opinion) which is slightly smaller and lacks the "ears" of mini USB, which is what the Blackberry uses.</p><p>-Peter</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The story is incorrectly tagged miniusb .
It 's actually micro USB ( which is an inferior connector , in my opinion ) which is slightly smaller and lacks the " ears " of mini USB , which is what the Blackberry uses.-Peter</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story is incorrectly tagged miniusb.
It's actually micro USB (which is an inferior connector, in my opinion) which is slightly smaller and lacks the "ears" of mini USB, which is what the Blackberry uses.-Peter</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515373</id>
	<title>Sure beats eating!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish I could power up with a cell phone charger. Europeans are so lucky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I could power up with a cell phone charger .
Europeans are so lucky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I could power up with a cell phone charger.
Europeans are so lucky.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516315</id>
	<title>Re:Everonmentalism I can agree with</title>
	<author>mini me</author>
	<datestamp>1246300080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Starving people that depend on Corn.</p></div></blockquote><p>- Corn is in such abundance that we have to pack it into things like soft drinks just to get rid of the stuff.</p><p>- The digestible compounds of the kernel just so happens to not be the parts that are useful for creating fuel. This means that you can extract the ethanol and then eat the byproduct.</p><p>- Ethanol is typically extracted from No. 2 yellow corn. Good eats for animals such as cattle, but it's not the same kind of corn found at your local grocery store.</p><p>Corn-based ethanol may have it's flaws, but running out of corn for humans to eat is not one of them.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Starving people that depend on Corn.- Corn is in such abundance that we have to pack it into things like soft drinks just to get rid of the stuff.- The digestible compounds of the kernel just so happens to not be the parts that are useful for creating fuel .
This means that you can extract the ethanol and then eat the byproduct.- Ethanol is typically extracted from No .
2 yellow corn .
Good eats for animals such as cattle , but it 's not the same kind of corn found at your local grocery store.Corn-based ethanol may have it 's flaws , but running out of corn for humans to eat is not one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Starving people that depend on Corn.- Corn is in such abundance that we have to pack it into things like soft drinks just to get rid of the stuff.- The digestible compounds of the kernel just so happens to not be the parts that are useful for creating fuel.
This means that you can extract the ethanol and then eat the byproduct.- Ethanol is typically extracted from No.
2 yellow corn.
Good eats for animals such as cattle, but it's not the same kind of corn found at your local grocery store.Corn-based ethanol may have it's flaws, but running out of corn for humans to eat is not one of them.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517529</id>
	<title>Re:How about the damn US?</title>
	<author>xgr3gx</author>
	<datestamp>1246304520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah really - and think of the waste.  I bet tons of those chargers get thrown out every year.  x2 if people buy another one for in the car.</p><p>Just use a mini-usb plug for charging and data.<br>Then all you'll ever need to charge any phone would be a USB cable.  If you want to use a wall charger, get a usb to 110V (or whatever for your locale's electrical system).<br>For your car, just get a usb to 12V.</p><p>Next step...do that for every small electronic device. That would be great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah really - and think of the waste .
I bet tons of those chargers get thrown out every year .
x2 if people buy another one for in the car.Just use a mini-usb plug for charging and data.Then all you 'll ever need to charge any phone would be a USB cable .
If you want to use a wall charger , get a usb to 110V ( or whatever for your locale 's electrical system ) .For your car , just get a usb to 12V.Next step...do that for every small electronic device .
That would be great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah really - and think of the waste.
I bet tons of those chargers get thrown out every year.
x2 if people buy another one for in the car.Just use a mini-usb plug for charging and data.Then all you'll ever need to charge any phone would be a USB cable.
If you want to use a wall charger, get a usb to 110V (or whatever for your locale's electrical system).For your car, just get a usb to 12V.Next step...do that for every small electronic device.
That would be great.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516423</id>
	<title>Re:Micro is superior for this use...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246300500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>MiniUSB is rated for 1000 connect/disconnect cycles<br>MicroUSB is rated for 10,000 connect/disconnect cycles, and is also thinner by about 1.5mm</p></div><p>MiniUSB is already widely deployed and incorporated into lots of devices and chargers.</p><p>MicroUSB will require us to buy another goddamn version of everything (lather, rinse, repeat once USB3.0 comes along).</p></div>
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<tokenext>MiniUSB is rated for 1000 connect/disconnect cyclesMicroUSB is rated for 10,000 connect/disconnect cycles , and is also thinner by about 1.5mmMiniUSB is already widely deployed and incorporated into lots of devices and chargers.MicroUSB will require us to buy another goddamn version of everything ( lather , rinse , repeat once USB3.0 comes along ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MiniUSB is rated for 1000 connect/disconnect cyclesMicroUSB is rated for 10,000 connect/disconnect cycles, and is also thinner by about 1.5mmMiniUSB is already widely deployed and incorporated into lots of devices and chargers.MicroUSB will require us to buy another goddamn version of everything (lather, rinse, repeat once USB3.0 comes along).
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28519345</id>
	<title>Re:Everonmentalism I can agree with</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246268400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NASCAR most certainly will not.  The very name is ironic: there is <em>nothing</em> stock about NASCAR vehicles, due to their history as disguised speed demons for booze smuggling.  From their tube frames (no crumple zones.  But.. it seems to work out pretty well for them.  Why don't the car bodies they're designed after feature that?) to their carbureted engines (none of the models they mock are carbureted any more), to their painted-on "headlights."  They don't even have <em>wipers</em>; they just have a few layers of plastic film they tear off if it gets hard to see.</p><p>Also, NASCAR is mainly about endurance, which is exactly the regime in which hybrids make no sense: there are two engines in a hybrid, but the electric engine is a performance boost for acceleration only.  During cruising, the best you can hope for is for it not to draw power from the gas engine.</p><p>We've long past the point where advances on the NASCAR circuit are likely to result in real world improvements.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NASCAR most certainly will not .
The very name is ironic : there is nothing stock about NASCAR vehicles , due to their history as disguised speed demons for booze smuggling .
From their tube frames ( no crumple zones .
But.. it seems to work out pretty well for them .
Why do n't the car bodies they 're designed after feature that ?
) to their carbureted engines ( none of the models they mock are carbureted any more ) , to their painted-on " headlights .
" They do n't even have wipers ; they just have a few layers of plastic film they tear off if it gets hard to see.Also , NASCAR is mainly about endurance , which is exactly the regime in which hybrids make no sense : there are two engines in a hybrid , but the electric engine is a performance boost for acceleration only .
During cruising , the best you can hope for is for it not to draw power from the gas engine.We 've long past the point where advances on the NASCAR circuit are likely to result in real world improvements .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASCAR most certainly will not.
The very name is ironic: there is nothing stock about NASCAR vehicles, due to their history as disguised speed demons for booze smuggling.
From their tube frames (no crumple zones.
But.. it seems to work out pretty well for them.
Why don't the car bodies they're designed after feature that?
) to their carbureted engines (none of the models they mock are carbureted any more), to their painted-on "headlights.
"  They don't even have wipers; they just have a few layers of plastic film they tear off if it gets hard to see.Also, NASCAR is mainly about endurance, which is exactly the regime in which hybrids make no sense: there are two engines in a hybrid, but the electric engine is a performance boost for acceleration only.
During cruising, the best you can hope for is for it not to draw power from the gas engine.We've long past the point where advances on the NASCAR circuit are likely to result in real world improvements.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515583</id>
	<title>Mini-USB Lockin, there are ways</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246297260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Motorola phone has a standard mini-usb connector but you STILL can't use it with standard charger. Why? "Un authorized charger".</p><p>From what I've pieced together it has a chip in it to fake that it is connected to a computer. This is a double edged sword of uselessness</p><p>1) I can't use my Garmin charger with my phone because it's "un authorized" and won't charge.<br>2) I can't use my Motorola charger with my Garmin because Garmin puts itself into PC mode (instead of navigation mode).</p><p>So now I have to carry 2 - 12V -&gt; USB devices with me because of Motorola.</p><p>Trust me, keep an eye out for the buzz words "authentic" "valid" "safe" "genuine".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Motorola phone has a standard mini-usb connector but you STILL ca n't use it with standard charger .
Why ? " Un authorized charger " .From what I 've pieced together it has a chip in it to fake that it is connected to a computer .
This is a double edged sword of uselessness1 ) I ca n't use my Garmin charger with my phone because it 's " un authorized " and wo n't charge.2 ) I ca n't use my Motorola charger with my Garmin because Garmin puts itself into PC mode ( instead of navigation mode ) .So now I have to carry 2 - 12V - &gt; USB devices with me because of Motorola.Trust me , keep an eye out for the buzz words " authentic " " valid " " safe " " genuine " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Motorola phone has a standard mini-usb connector but you STILL can't use it with standard charger.
Why? "Un authorized charger".From what I've pieced together it has a chip in it to fake that it is connected to a computer.
This is a double edged sword of uselessness1) I can't use my Garmin charger with my phone because it's "un authorized" and won't charge.2) I can't use my Motorola charger with my Garmin because Garmin puts itself into PC mode (instead of navigation mode).So now I have to carry 2 - 12V -&gt; USB devices with me because of Motorola.Trust me, keep an eye out for the buzz words "authentic" "valid" "safe" "genuine".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516973</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>MightyYar</author>
	<datestamp>1246302540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I would hate to see that BS achieved by Motorola, where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed.</p></div><p>While I suppose Motorola could have allowed the phone to be charged with the standard USB current of 100 mA. However, you can get a charge approximately 5x faster by installing the driver and getting the full 500 mA, so I'd wager that Motorola requires the driver for user experience reasons. My Sony-Ericsson charger puts out 450mA and my wife's Samsung puts out 700mA.</p><p>And on your second point, I doubt the US will take any action at all. We'll get phones either with the EU or the Chinese standard simply because the manufacturers won't want to make too many versions. Plus, they'll probably use the standard as an excuse to stop bundling chargers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would hate to see that BS achieved by Motorola , where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed.While I suppose Motorola could have allowed the phone to be charged with the standard USB current of 100 mA .
However , you can get a charge approximately 5x faster by installing the driver and getting the full 500 mA , so I 'd wager that Motorola requires the driver for user experience reasons .
My Sony-Ericsson charger puts out 450mA and my wife 's Samsung puts out 700mA.And on your second point , I doubt the US will take any action at all .
We 'll get phones either with the EU or the Chinese standard simply because the manufacturers wo n't want to make too many versions .
Plus , they 'll probably use the standard as an excuse to stop bundling chargers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would hate to see that BS achieved by Motorola, where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed.While I suppose Motorola could have allowed the phone to be charged with the standard USB current of 100 mA.
However, you can get a charge approximately 5x faster by installing the driver and getting the full 500 mA, so I'd wager that Motorola requires the driver for user experience reasons.
My Sony-Ericsson charger puts out 450mA and my wife's Samsung puts out 700mA.And on your second point, I doubt the US will take any action at all.
We'll get phones either with the EU or the Chinese standard simply because the manufacturers won't want to make too many versions.
Plus, they'll probably use the standard as an excuse to stop bundling chargers.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517831</id>
	<title>Re:Everonmentalism I can agree with</title>
	<author>gspear</author>
	<datestamp>1246305900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Other Hybrids... Before long, NASCAR is going to see that there's some way to make this hybrid stuff make cars go faster and farther without a pit-stop... There are four industries here that drive new tech for the consumer. Military, NASA, Nascar and pr0n.</p></div><p>KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) was introduced to Formula 1 this year.  A few teams have tried it but It hasn't been that successful yet.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Other Hybrids... Before long , NASCAR is going to see that there 's some way to make this hybrid stuff make cars go faster and farther without a pit-stop... There are four industries here that drive new tech for the consumer .
Military , NASA , Nascar and pr0n.KERS ( Kinetic Energy Recovery System ) was introduced to Formula 1 this year .
A few teams have tried it but It has n't been that successful yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Other Hybrids... Before long, NASCAR is going to see that there's some way to make this hybrid stuff make cars go faster and farther without a pit-stop... There are four industries here that drive new tech for the consumer.
Military, NASA, Nascar and pr0n.KERS (Kinetic Energy Recovery System) was introduced to Formula 1 this year.
A few teams have tried it but It hasn't been that successful yet.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515273</id>
	<title>FP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OMG FIRST</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG FIRST</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG FIRST</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28518325</id>
	<title>Re:Micro</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246307880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The story is incorrectly tagged miniusb. It's actually micro USB (which is an inferior connector, in my opinion) which is slightly smaller and lacks the "ears" of mini USB, which is what the Blackberry uses.</i></p><p>It's true that Blackberry has used mini-usb for many many years, but since the Storm came out, all the new phones are micro-usb.</p><p>I find it very annoying, since I have 5-6 mini-usb chargers/cables, and they all work fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The story is incorrectly tagged miniusb .
It 's actually micro USB ( which is an inferior connector , in my opinion ) which is slightly smaller and lacks the " ears " of mini USB , which is what the Blackberry uses.It 's true that Blackberry has used mini-usb for many many years , but since the Storm came out , all the new phones are micro-usb.I find it very annoying , since I have 5-6 mini-usb chargers/cables , and they all work fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story is incorrectly tagged miniusb.
It's actually micro USB (which is an inferior connector, in my opinion) which is slightly smaller and lacks the "ears" of mini USB, which is what the Blackberry uses.It's true that Blackberry has used mini-usb for many many years, but since the Storm came out, all the new phones are micro-usb.I find it very annoying, since I have 5-6 mini-usb chargers/cables, and they all work fine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515531</id>
	<title>Re:How about the damn US?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246297020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What.<br>My AT&amp;T phone charges fine with any mini-USB cable I find.</p><p>The weird thing is my GF has a similar model phone, but with Verizon, and hers won't charge through USB, but we can share the same wall outlet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What.My AT&amp;T phone charges fine with any mini-USB cable I find.The weird thing is my GF has a similar model phone , but with Verizon , and hers wo n't charge through USB , but we can share the same wall outlet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What.My AT&amp;T phone charges fine with any mini-USB cable I find.The weird thing is my GF has a similar model phone, but with Verizon, and hers won't charge through USB, but we can share the same wall outlet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515311</id>
	<title>Correction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean the manufacturers will be able to make the charger an accessory.</p><p>At additional cost^H^H^H^Hprofit.</p><p>Saving the planet, one quarter's financial results at a time.  I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy again, especially around my wallet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean the manufacturers will be able to make the charger an accessory.At additional cost ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ Hprofit.Saving the planet , one quarter 's financial results at a time .
I 'm feeling all warm and fuzzy again , especially around my wallet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean the manufacturers will be able to make the charger an accessory.At additional cost^H^H^H^Hprofit.Saving the planet, one quarter's financial results at a time.
I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy again, especially around my wallet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515685</id>
	<title>Re:Good!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246297740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Think your making stuff up, I have the charger from my T610 that will charge my K850i (it might not do the high speed usb access, but it will charge it)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think your making stuff up , I have the charger from my T610 that will charge my K850i ( it might not do the high speed usb access , but it will charge it )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think your making stuff up, I have the charger from my T610 that will charge my K850i (it might not do the high speed usb access, but it will charge it)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516257</id>
	<title>i'm a bit startled...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246299840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can remember an article posted on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. a year ago or something like that, saying that "the EU is considering to force a standard for cellphone chargers" and if memory serves me right, most of the posts there were ridiculing that idea, because<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; + companies know best what is good for their customers (or is it their own pockets?)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; + free market!!!<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; + regulation is bad<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; + oh, those European socialists<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; + <i>whatever reason</i></p><p>And now most comments are positive or at least neutral. What happened?</p><p>Well, whatever changed your minds, welcome to sanity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can remember an article posted on / .
a year ago or something like that , saying that " the EU is considering to force a standard for cellphone chargers " and if memory serves me right , most of the posts there were ridiculing that idea , because       + companies know best what is good for their customers ( or is it their own pockets ?
)       + free market ! ! !
      + regulation is bad       + oh , those European socialists       + whatever reasonAnd now most comments are positive or at least neutral .
What happened ? Well , whatever changed your minds , welcome to sanity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can remember an article posted on /.
a year ago or something like that, saying that "the EU is considering to force a standard for cellphone chargers" and if memory serves me right, most of the posts there were ridiculing that idea, because
      + companies know best what is good for their customers (or is it their own pockets?
)
      + free market!!!
      + regulation is bad
      + oh, those European socialists
      + whatever reasonAnd now most comments are positive or at least neutral.
What happened?Well, whatever changed your minds, welcome to sanity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516233</id>
	<title>Three cheers for government regulation!</title>
	<author>quax</author>
	<datestamp>1246299780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>C'mon market fetishist mod me down!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>C'mon market fetishist mod me down !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C'mon market fetishist mod me down!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516033</id>
	<title>Re:Everonmentalism I can agree with</title>
	<author>hattig</author>
	<datestamp>1246298880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mercury/Carpet/Kids don't mix.</p></div><p>Yeah, if they were to drink a visible quantity of it.</p><p>Not the wisp of mercury vapour in a CFL.</p><p>Still, whilst I use CFLs a lot, I'm waiting for LED and OLED panel lighting solutions, they will be awesome.</p><p>--<br>Slashdot requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.<br>It's been 14 minutes since you last successfully posted a comment</p><p>FUCK YOU.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Mercury/Carpet/Kids do n't mix.Yeah , if they were to drink a visible quantity of it.Not the wisp of mercury vapour in a CFL.Still , whilst I use CFLs a lot , I 'm waiting for LED and OLED panel lighting solutions , they will be awesome.--Slashdot requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.It 's been 14 minutes since you last successfully posted a commentFUCK YOU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mercury/Carpet/Kids don't mix.Yeah, if they were to drink a visible quantity of it.Not the wisp of mercury vapour in a CFL.Still, whilst I use CFLs a lot, I'm waiting for LED and OLED panel lighting solutions, they will be awesome.--Slashdot requires you to wait between each successful posting of a comment to allow everyone a fair chance at posting a comment.It's been 14 minutes since you last successfully posted a commentFUCK YOU.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517447</id>
	<title>USB standard -- a dodge at best</title>
	<author>swb</author>
	<datestamp>1246304280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will they standardize on the interface and how its used, though?</p><p>For example, my iPhone, as much as I love it, could be claimed to be "USB standard" for power.  It comes with a wall brick with a USB-A female jack.  The gotcha is the proprietary Apple dock connector cable with a USB-A male end on it.  IMHO, this is a standards dodge, even if it is mildly helpful in terms of sourcing power without carrying the brick, too.</p><p>If USB is going to be a standard, the device itself needs a female USB jack (micro-B seems to be the new standard standard they're heading towards) usable on its own, WITHOUT the $25 proprietary vendor cable to interface with USB.  Vendors can keep including their own proprietary interfaces, too, but it's not really a standard unless the device includes a standard connector.</p><p>We also need to avoid the bullshit where the "standard" interface has a cable with a bunch of embedded logic (whether analog or digital) that makes it *look* standard but doesn't actually work with a standard cable.</p><p>My guess is vendors will never give up the guilty lock-in pleasures of their nonstandard connectors or the revenue they get from selling $2 cables for $25.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will they standardize on the interface and how its used , though ? For example , my iPhone , as much as I love it , could be claimed to be " USB standard " for power .
It comes with a wall brick with a USB-A female jack .
The gotcha is the proprietary Apple dock connector cable with a USB-A male end on it .
IMHO , this is a standards dodge , even if it is mildly helpful in terms of sourcing power without carrying the brick , too.If USB is going to be a standard , the device itself needs a female USB jack ( micro-B seems to be the new standard standard they 're heading towards ) usable on its own , WITHOUT the $ 25 proprietary vendor cable to interface with USB .
Vendors can keep including their own proprietary interfaces , too , but it 's not really a standard unless the device includes a standard connector.We also need to avoid the bullshit where the " standard " interface has a cable with a bunch of embedded logic ( whether analog or digital ) that makes it * look * standard but does n't actually work with a standard cable.My guess is vendors will never give up the guilty lock-in pleasures of their nonstandard connectors or the revenue they get from selling $ 2 cables for $ 25 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will they standardize on the interface and how its used, though?For example, my iPhone, as much as I love it, could be claimed to be "USB standard" for power.
It comes with a wall brick with a USB-A female jack.
The gotcha is the proprietary Apple dock connector cable with a USB-A male end on it.
IMHO, this is a standards dodge, even if it is mildly helpful in terms of sourcing power without carrying the brick, too.If USB is going to be a standard, the device itself needs a female USB jack (micro-B seems to be the new standard standard they're heading towards) usable on its own, WITHOUT the $25 proprietary vendor cable to interface with USB.
Vendors can keep including their own proprietary interfaces, too, but it's not really a standard unless the device includes a standard connector.We also need to avoid the bullshit where the "standard" interface has a cable with a bunch of embedded logic (whether analog or digital) that makes it *look* standard but doesn't actually work with a standard cable.My guess is vendors will never give up the guilty lock-in pleasures of their nonstandard connectors or the revenue they get from selling $2 cables for $25.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515675</id>
	<title>Apple?</title>
	<author>nsteinme</author>
	<datestamp>1246297740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this mean that (future) iPhones in Europe will have to switch from Apple's beloved dock connector? That is quite significant for them. Also might they standardize all their connectors and thereby bring this exciting new change to the U.S.?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean that ( future ) iPhones in Europe will have to switch from Apple 's beloved dock connector ?
That is quite significant for them .
Also might they standardize all their connectors and thereby bring this exciting new change to the U.S. ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean that (future) iPhones in Europe will have to switch from Apple's beloved dock connector?
That is quite significant for them.
Also might they standardize all their connectors and thereby bring this exciting new change to the U.S.?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28520789</id>
	<title>Re:Good, I guess...</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1246273980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I take it that Apple isn't part of this little bandwagon</p></div><p>If you aren't going to read the article, you should at least read the summary.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I take it that Apple is n't part of this little bandwagonIf you are n't going to read the article , you should at least read the summary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take it that Apple isn't part of this little bandwagonIf you aren't going to read the article, you should at least read the summary.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515493</id>
	<title>The original post</title>
	<author>buchner.johannes</author>
	<datestamp>1246296900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/09/1049&amp;format=HTML&amp;aged=0&amp;language=EN&amp;guiLanguage=en" title="europa.eu">press release</a> [europa.eu] and a  <a href="http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/09/301&amp;format=HTML&amp;aged=0&amp;language=EN&amp;guiLanguage=en" title="europa.eu">memo</a> [europa.eu].</p><p>Most interesting parts:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Incompatibility of chargers for mobile phones is a major inconvenience for users and also leads to unnecessary waste. Therefore, the Commission has requested industry to come forward with a voluntary commitment to solve this problem so as to avoid legislation.</p></div><p>and</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Industry commits to provide chargers compatibility on the basis of the Micro-USB connector. Once the commitment becomes effective, it will be possible to charge data-enabled mobile phones from any charger compatible with the common specifications.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>press release [ europa.eu ] and a memo [ europa.eu ] .Most interesting parts : Incompatibility of chargers for mobile phones is a major inconvenience for users and also leads to unnecessary waste .
Therefore , the Commission has requested industry to come forward with a voluntary commitment to solve this problem so as to avoid legislation.andIndustry commits to provide chargers compatibility on the basis of the Micro-USB connector .
Once the commitment becomes effective , it will be possible to charge data-enabled mobile phones from any charger compatible with the common specifications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>press release [europa.eu] and a  memo [europa.eu].Most interesting parts:Incompatibility of chargers for mobile phones is a major inconvenience for users and also leads to unnecessary waste.
Therefore, the Commission has requested industry to come forward with a voluntary commitment to solve this problem so as to avoid legislation.andIndustry commits to provide chargers compatibility on the basis of the Micro-USB connector.
Once the commitment becomes effective, it will be possible to charge data-enabled mobile phones from any charger compatible with the common specifications.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516291</id>
	<title>Re:So...</title>
	<author>Splab</author>
	<datestamp>1246299960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No they wont.</p><p>1. Making that would be stupidly pricey.<br>2. It would go against the point of making this, you look at it the wrong way around. If everyone has a standard charger, that means no one needs a new charger with each phone, which means phones drop in price, which means higher handset turnover.</p><p>This is good news for the telecoms since they get a new chance at signing a customer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No they wont.1 .
Making that would be stupidly pricey.2 .
It would go against the point of making this , you look at it the wrong way around .
If everyone has a standard charger , that means no one needs a new charger with each phone , which means phones drop in price , which means higher handset turnover.This is good news for the telecoms since they get a new chance at signing a customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No they wont.1.
Making that would be stupidly pricey.2.
It would go against the point of making this, you look at it the wrong way around.
If everyone has a standard charger, that means no one needs a new charger with each phone, which means phones drop in price, which means higher handset turnover.This is good news for the telecoms since they get a new chance at signing a customer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28521121</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks EU regulation</title>
	<author>remmelt</author>
	<datestamp>1246275720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>- both Nokias have the "standard Nokia" thin connector that doesn't comply to ANY reasonable electric standard so you can't just connect it directly to USB or any power supply of any reasonable parameters. Specifications here: <a href="http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3378ff2b-4016-42b9-9118-d59e4313a521/Nokia\_2-mm\_DC\_Charging\_Interface\_Specification\_v1\_2\_en.pdf.html" title="nokia.com">http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3378ff2b-4016-42b9-9118-d59e4313a521/Nokia\_2-mm\_DC\_Charging\_Interface\_Specification\_v1\_2\_en.pdf.html</a> [nokia.com]</p> </div><p><a href="http://www.walrus.com/~raphael/html/usb\_charge.html" title="walrus.com">http://www.walrus.com/~raphael/html/usb\_charge.html</a> [walrus.com] Still shitty, but not quite as bad as you make it sound. I really disliked the fact that my last Nokia (6300, otherwise a fine phone) had a standard mini-usb (good!) but wouldn't charge over it (bad!)</p><p>Anyway, Nokia h as been pretty good so far because they only have two standards, even if they aren't a standard outside of Nokia's phones. Every charger fitted every phone, up until recently. The newer small plugs have a different size but are still the same charger. I've always thought that makes perfect sense, both for the customer and for Nokia.</p><p>Anyway, glad to see Europe's pushing this standard. I do hear it's only for data phones though:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The chargers will be usable only for data-enabled phones, which have more capability than just standard calls and SMS texts. Data-enabled phones are expected to account for almost half of all new mobile handset purchases in 2010.</p><p>The Commission hopes that as people discard their old handsets, within three to four years all data-enabled phones in Europe will be using standardized chargers.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/29/apple-to-adopt-micro-usb-connectors-for-iphone-charging-in-europe/" title="macrumors.com">http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/29/apple-to-adopt-micro-usb-connectors-for-iphone-charging-in-europe/</a> [macrumors.com]</p></div>
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<tokenext>- both Nokias have the " standard Nokia " thin connector that does n't comply to ANY reasonable electric standard so you ca n't just connect it directly to USB or any power supply of any reasonable parameters .
Specifications here : http : //www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3378ff2b-4016-42b9-9118-d59e4313a521/Nokia \ _2-mm \ _DC \ _Charging \ _Interface \ _Specification \ _v1 \ _2 \ _en.pdf.html [ nokia.com ] http : //www.walrus.com/ ~ raphael/html/usb \ _charge.html [ walrus.com ] Still shitty , but not quite as bad as you make it sound .
I really disliked the fact that my last Nokia ( 6300 , otherwise a fine phone ) had a standard mini-usb ( good !
) but would n't charge over it ( bad !
) Anyway , Nokia h as been pretty good so far because they only have two standards , even if they are n't a standard outside of Nokia 's phones .
Every charger fitted every phone , up until recently .
The newer small plugs have a different size but are still the same charger .
I 've always thought that makes perfect sense , both for the customer and for Nokia.Anyway , glad to see Europe 's pushing this standard .
I do hear it 's only for data phones though : The chargers will be usable only for data-enabled phones , which have more capability than just standard calls and SMS texts .
Data-enabled phones are expected to account for almost half of all new mobile handset purchases in 2010.The Commission hopes that as people discard their old handsets , within three to four years all data-enabled phones in Europe will be using standardized chargers .
http : //www.macrumors.com/2009/06/29/apple-to-adopt-micro-usb-connectors-for-iphone-charging-in-europe/ [ macrumors.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>- both Nokias have the "standard Nokia" thin connector that doesn't comply to ANY reasonable electric standard so you can't just connect it directly to USB or any power supply of any reasonable parameters.
Specifications here: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/3378ff2b-4016-42b9-9118-d59e4313a521/Nokia\_2-mm\_DC\_Charging\_Interface\_Specification\_v1\_2\_en.pdf.html [nokia.com] http://www.walrus.com/~raphael/html/usb\_charge.html [walrus.com] Still shitty, but not quite as bad as you make it sound.
I really disliked the fact that my last Nokia (6300, otherwise a fine phone) had a standard mini-usb (good!
) but wouldn't charge over it (bad!
)Anyway, Nokia h as been pretty good so far because they only have two standards, even if they aren't a standard outside of Nokia's phones.
Every charger fitted every phone, up until recently.
The newer small plugs have a different size but are still the same charger.
I've always thought that makes perfect sense, both for the customer and for Nokia.Anyway, glad to see Europe's pushing this standard.
I do hear it's only for data phones though:The chargers will be usable only for data-enabled phones, which have more capability than just standard calls and SMS texts.
Data-enabled phones are expected to account for almost half of all new mobile handset purchases in 2010.The Commission hopes that as people discard their old handsets, within three to four years all data-enabled phones in Europe will be using standardized chargers.
http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/29/apple-to-adopt-micro-usb-connectors-for-iphone-charging-in-europe/ [macrumors.com]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28520731</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks EU regulation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246273680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That approach tends to be most effective when the possibility of regulation is real.</p><p>It doesn't work if the industry knows that they can effectively prevent regulation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That approach tends to be most effective when the possibility of regulation is real.It does n't work if the industry knows that they can effectively prevent regulation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That approach tends to be most effective when the possibility of regulation is real.It doesn't work if the industry knows that they can effectively prevent regulation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517975</id>
	<title>Re:How does this Ensure Compatibility?</title>
	<author>Andy Dodd</author>
	<datestamp>1246306440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not enough detail in the article, but most likely by following the USB Battery Charging Specification.  (Which was, unfortunately, released long after numerous "de facto" standards for signaling dumb chargers became prolific, most of which involve tying mini-USB pin 4 to ground with varying amounts of resistance.  This can't be done in micro-USB, as micro-USB has specified meaning for pin 4.)</p><p>Does your Pre draw 1000 mA from a computer, or from a "dumb charger" that signals itself as such?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not enough detail in the article , but most likely by following the USB Battery Charging Specification .
( Which was , unfortunately , released long after numerous " de facto " standards for signaling dumb chargers became prolific , most of which involve tying mini-USB pin 4 to ground with varying amounts of resistance .
This ca n't be done in micro-USB , as micro-USB has specified meaning for pin 4 .
) Does your Pre draw 1000 mA from a computer , or from a " dumb charger " that signals itself as such ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not enough detail in the article, but most likely by following the USB Battery Charging Specification.
(Which was, unfortunately, released long after numerous "de facto" standards for signaling dumb chargers became prolific, most of which involve tying mini-USB pin 4 to ground with varying amounts of resistance.
This can't be done in micro-USB, as micro-USB has specified meaning for pin 4.
)Does your Pre draw 1000 mA from a computer, or from a "dumb charger" that signals itself as such?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28520643</id>
	<title>Re:Apple?</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1246273260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They'll probably just change the dock to contain a Micro-USB plug instead of the one Apple currently uses. That would be the cheapest way to go about it and fulfill the spec.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll probably just change the dock to contain a Micro-USB plug instead of the one Apple currently uses .
That would be the cheapest way to go about it and fulfill the spec .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll probably just change the dock to contain a Micro-USB plug instead of the one Apple currently uses.
That would be the cheapest way to go about it and fulfill the spec.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28520721</id>
	<title>Re:Mini-USB Lockin, there are ways</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246273620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know about you, but I'm charging my motorolla here with my mp3 player's connector because I lost the charger.</p><p>Maybe it is because I connected it to my Ubuntu machine? We all know Ubuntu ships with everything but the kitchen sink, wouldn't surprise me if they had a special case for Motorola phones</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about you , but I 'm charging my motorolla here with my mp3 player 's connector because I lost the charger.Maybe it is because I connected it to my Ubuntu machine ?
We all know Ubuntu ships with everything but the kitchen sink , would n't surprise me if they had a special case for Motorola phones</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about you, but I'm charging my motorolla here with my mp3 player's connector because I lost the charger.Maybe it is because I connected it to my Ubuntu machine?
We all know Ubuntu ships with everything but the kitchen sink, wouldn't surprise me if they had a special case for Motorola phones</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515271</id>
	<title>Good, I guess...</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1246296180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My last two phones have been Nokias, and both of them have had the same charger, with an adaptor for using older Nokia chargers.  My two phones before that were Sony-Ericsson and they also had compatible chargers.  Do people really throw away their old chargers?  If you're moving from one manufacturer to another, you can generally find someone switching in the opposite direction and swap with them.  Or sell your old phone including the charger.  </p><p>
While I like the idea of compatible chargers, I suspect that this means that all of the existing chargers will suddenly become obsolete with the next generation of phones...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My last two phones have been Nokias , and both of them have had the same charger , with an adaptor for using older Nokia chargers .
My two phones before that were Sony-Ericsson and they also had compatible chargers .
Do people really throw away their old chargers ?
If you 're moving from one manufacturer to another , you can generally find someone switching in the opposite direction and swap with them .
Or sell your old phone including the charger .
While I like the idea of compatible chargers , I suspect that this means that all of the existing chargers will suddenly become obsolete with the next generation of phones.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My last two phones have been Nokias, and both of them have had the same charger, with an adaptor for using older Nokia chargers.
My two phones before that were Sony-Ericsson and they also had compatible chargers.
Do people really throw away their old chargers?
If you're moving from one manufacturer to another, you can generally find someone switching in the opposite direction and swap with them.
Or sell your old phone including the charger.
While I like the idea of compatible chargers, I suspect that this means that all of the existing chargers will suddenly become obsolete with the next generation of phones...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515325</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA: "The Commission said the agreement would involve the creation of an EU norm, and that the new generation of mobile phones would use a standard micro-USB socket to ensure compatibility."<br>
&nbsp; <br>Seriously, do people even RTFA any more?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " The Commission said the agreement would involve the creation of an EU norm , and that the new generation of mobile phones would use a standard micro-USB socket to ensure compatibility .
"   Seriously , do people even RTFA any more ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: "The Commission said the agreement would involve the creation of an EU norm, and that the new generation of mobile phones would use a standard micro-USB socket to ensure compatibility.
"
  Seriously, do people even RTFA any more?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28525495</id>
	<title>Micro USB sucks as a standard</title>
	<author>Fjan11</author>
	<datestamp>1246354080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's also a good example of regulators asking industry for a solution will not find an optimal solution:
<ul>
<li>Micro USB is only 5V and 500mA, that's just enough to power a phone but not useful for the next generation of fast charging batteries (the iPhone charger is 1000mA already)</li><li>You have 20 charger in your house, only a very small part will be able to make do with this, so it is not universal at all</li><li>USB is not certified to be used in wet environments like the kitchen or bathroom, another class of devices out the window</li><li>It's not very user friendly, elder people need reading glasses to plug it in the right way up</li><li>The connector is about 10 times more expensive than a simple 2 or 3 prong jobby</li></ul><p>
There are multi-voltage adapters available that adress all of the above problems, albeit they cost 50 cents more to produce, so the phone suppliers went for the cheap option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also a good example of regulators asking industry for a solution will not find an optimal solution : Micro USB is only 5V and 500mA , that 's just enough to power a phone but not useful for the next generation of fast charging batteries ( the iPhone charger is 1000mA already ) You have 20 charger in your house , only a very small part will be able to make do with this , so it is not universal at allUSB is not certified to be used in wet environments like the kitchen or bathroom , another class of devices out the windowIt 's not very user friendly , elder people need reading glasses to plug it in the right way upThe connector is about 10 times more expensive than a simple 2 or 3 prong jobby There are multi-voltage adapters available that adress all of the above problems , albeit they cost 50 cents more to produce , so the phone suppliers went for the cheap option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also a good example of regulators asking industry for a solution will not find an optimal solution:

Micro USB is only 5V and 500mA, that's just enough to power a phone but not useful for the next generation of fast charging batteries (the iPhone charger is 1000mA already)You have 20 charger in your house, only a very small part will be able to make do with this, so it is not universal at allUSB is not certified to be used in wet environments like the kitchen or bathroom, another class of devices out the windowIt's not very user friendly, elder people need reading glasses to plug it in the right way upThe connector is about 10 times more expensive than a simple 2 or 3 prong jobby
There are multi-voltage adapters available that adress all of the above problems, albeit they cost 50 cents more to produce, so the phone suppliers went for the cheap option.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28518537</id>
	<title>Where is HTC?</title>
	<author>bjoeg</author>
	<datestamp>1246308840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sad they are not in the agreement since they too are a big player in the market, especially when we talk about the business market.
<br> <br>
And in my mind the answer for the standard charger would be HTC's ExtUSB. How come? It is nifty USB charger, and their phones get charged by regular USB as well.<br>
Plus a whole lot more like head set, adapters and so forth
<br> <br>
<a href="http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=ExtUSB" title="xda-developers.com" rel="nofollow">ExtUSB specification</a> [xda-developers.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sad they are not in the agreement since they too are a big player in the market , especially when we talk about the business market .
And in my mind the answer for the standard charger would be HTC 's ExtUSB .
How come ?
It is nifty USB charger , and their phones get charged by regular USB as well .
Plus a whole lot more like head set , adapters and so forth ExtUSB specification [ xda-developers.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sad they are not in the agreement since they too are a big player in the market, especially when we talk about the business market.
And in my mind the answer for the standard charger would be HTC's ExtUSB.
How come?
It is nifty USB charger, and their phones get charged by regular USB as well.
Plus a whole lot more like head set, adapters and so forth
 
ExtUSB specification [xda-developers.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517165</id>
	<title>Re:How about the damn US?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246303200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I run a small cell phone accessory website - <a href="http://www.cellup.com/" title="cellup.com" rel="nofollow">CellUp.com</a> [cellup.com] and make most of my money selling replacement chargers and batteries. The phone manufacturers and Carrier stores make billions (yes billions) off of proprietary chargers and batteries. The chargers cost about $0.20 each to manufacture and sell for up to $30 at the carrier retail stores. I'm very surprised that they are agreeing to do this in Europe and will be even more surprised if it actually happens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I run a small cell phone accessory website - CellUp.com [ cellup.com ] and make most of my money selling replacement chargers and batteries .
The phone manufacturers and Carrier stores make billions ( yes billions ) off of proprietary chargers and batteries .
The chargers cost about $ 0.20 each to manufacture and sell for up to $ 30 at the carrier retail stores .
I 'm very surprised that they are agreeing to do this in Europe and will be even more surprised if it actually happens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run a small cell phone accessory website - CellUp.com [cellup.com] and make most of my money selling replacement chargers and batteries.
The phone manufacturers and Carrier stores make billions (yes billions) off of proprietary chargers and batteries.
The chargers cost about $0.20 each to manufacture and sell for up to $30 at the carrier retail stores.
I'm very surprised that they are agreeing to do this in Europe and will be even more surprised if it actually happens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515489</id>
	<title>Sure, why not...</title>
	<author>dvh.tosomja</author>
	<datestamp>1246296900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will be a standard equipment of electric car, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will be a standard equipment of electric car , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will be a standard equipment of electric car, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516417</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246300440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did read. It said MICRO-USB...</p><p>Not MINI USB...</p><p>Which sucks since I've strategically purchased virtually everything I buy based on using the same Mini-USB cable for charging and connectivity.</p><p>Micro-USB really isn't THAT much smaller!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did read .
It said MICRO-USB...Not MINI USB...Which sucks since I 've strategically purchased virtually everything I buy based on using the same Mini-USB cable for charging and connectivity.Micro-USB really is n't THAT much smaller !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did read.
It said MICRO-USB...Not MINI USB...Which sucks since I've strategically purchased virtually everything I buy based on using the same Mini-USB cable for charging and connectivity.Micro-USB really isn't THAT much smaller!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516799</id>
	<title>Now you need a firewall for the charger.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246301880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The trouble with charging through a USB connector is that it's also a USB port.  Most phones aren't well-protected against attacks via the USB port.  With a common charger interface, you're going to find charger outlets everywhere.  Some of them will be hostile.
</p><p>
So now you need a cable that only passes power.  But that may not be enough.   Motorola RAZR phones, for example, won't charge on PCs unless the Motorola driver is present to do the handshake.  By default,a USB port will deliver at least 100mA, but if asked, it may deliver up to 500mA.  Laptops actively manage USB power; desktop systems often don't bother.
</p><p>
So you may need a data connection, which opens up a whole new range of attacks on phones. Which means you may sometimes need a "firewall", a device which does the USB handshake and requests 500mA, then delivers it over a cable with no data wires.
</p><p>
This has been possible for a while, but with standardization, we'll have outlet strips with USB ports all over the place, in cafes, on aircraft, in cars, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The trouble with charging through a USB connector is that it 's also a USB port .
Most phones are n't well-protected against attacks via the USB port .
With a common charger interface , you 're going to find charger outlets everywhere .
Some of them will be hostile .
So now you need a cable that only passes power .
But that may not be enough .
Motorola RAZR phones , for example , wo n't charge on PCs unless the Motorola driver is present to do the handshake .
By default,a USB port will deliver at least 100mA , but if asked , it may deliver up to 500mA .
Laptops actively manage USB power ; desktop systems often do n't bother .
So you may need a data connection , which opens up a whole new range of attacks on phones .
Which means you may sometimes need a " firewall " , a device which does the USB handshake and requests 500mA , then delivers it over a cable with no data wires .
This has been possible for a while , but with standardization , we 'll have outlet strips with USB ports all over the place , in cafes , on aircraft , in cars , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The trouble with charging through a USB connector is that it's also a USB port.
Most phones aren't well-protected against attacks via the USB port.
With a common charger interface, you're going to find charger outlets everywhere.
Some of them will be hostile.
So now you need a cable that only passes power.
But that may not be enough.
Motorola RAZR phones, for example, won't charge on PCs unless the Motorola driver is present to do the handshake.
By default,a USB port will deliver at least 100mA, but if asked, it may deliver up to 500mA.
Laptops actively manage USB power; desktop systems often don't bother.
So you may need a data connection, which opens up a whole new range of attacks on phones.
Which means you may sometimes need a "firewall", a device which does the USB handshake and requests 500mA, then delivers it over a cable with no data wires.
This has been possible for a while, but with standardization, we'll have outlet strips with USB ports all over the place, in cafes, on aircraft, in cars, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28520837</id>
	<title>Re:Now you need a firewall for the charger.</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1246274280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This has been possible for a while, but with standardization, we'll have outlet strips with USB ports all over the place, in cafes, on aircraft, in cars, etc.</p></div></blockquote><p>Actually not really, I'd expect. A USB port in a public place just asks for someone to stick a bit of gum in it - a regular wall socket doesn't quite garner that kind of attention as few people like to stick their fingers inside those. On airplanes you'll find the same sockets you find now. I see no reason to install USB ports just because one can charge their phone over those - notebooks do well with airplane power adapters so why not phones? Standardized chargers mean that the adapters become interchangable and cheap. Besides, if you plug in your notebook you can charge over that. And the only USB plug in a car you're going to use is that in your own car (or a leased one). I doubt that someone will go through the trouble of infecting car computers with mobile phone viruses; that just screams "high risk, low potential profit".<br>
<br>
Besides, there's still a simple barrier to USB viruses - pairing. When you connect the phone to a USB host you need to tell the phone (by physically entering it) that you wish to establish data connections with that host. Prior to that the phone will not accept any data and just charge via the USB Battery Charging specification (= the host will not even be able to tell it's a phone).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This has been possible for a while , but with standardization , we 'll have outlet strips with USB ports all over the place , in cafes , on aircraft , in cars , etc.Actually not really , I 'd expect .
A USB port in a public place just asks for someone to stick a bit of gum in it - a regular wall socket does n't quite garner that kind of attention as few people like to stick their fingers inside those .
On airplanes you 'll find the same sockets you find now .
I see no reason to install USB ports just because one can charge their phone over those - notebooks do well with airplane power adapters so why not phones ?
Standardized chargers mean that the adapters become interchangable and cheap .
Besides , if you plug in your notebook you can charge over that .
And the only USB plug in a car you 're going to use is that in your own car ( or a leased one ) .
I doubt that someone will go through the trouble of infecting car computers with mobile phone viruses ; that just screams " high risk , low potential profit " .
Besides , there 's still a simple barrier to USB viruses - pairing .
When you connect the phone to a USB host you need to tell the phone ( by physically entering it ) that you wish to establish data connections with that host .
Prior to that the phone will not accept any data and just charge via the USB Battery Charging specification ( = the host will not even be able to tell it 's a phone ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has been possible for a while, but with standardization, we'll have outlet strips with USB ports all over the place, in cafes, on aircraft, in cars, etc.Actually not really, I'd expect.
A USB port in a public place just asks for someone to stick a bit of gum in it - a regular wall socket doesn't quite garner that kind of attention as few people like to stick their fingers inside those.
On airplanes you'll find the same sockets you find now.
I see no reason to install USB ports just because one can charge their phone over those - notebooks do well with airplane power adapters so why not phones?
Standardized chargers mean that the adapters become interchangable and cheap.
Besides, if you plug in your notebook you can charge over that.
And the only USB plug in a car you're going to use is that in your own car (or a leased one).
I doubt that someone will go through the trouble of infecting car computers with mobile phone viruses; that just screams "high risk, low potential profit".
Besides, there's still a simple barrier to USB viruses - pairing.
When you connect the phone to a USB host you need to tell the phone (by physically entering it) that you wish to establish data connections with that host.
Prior to that the phone will not accept any data and just charge via the USB Battery Charging specification (= the host will not even be able to tell it's a phone).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516045</id>
	<title>Charger efficiency</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1246298880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once they do this, I hope someone makes an efficient multi-charger.</p><p>I collect wall warts.  Some are 15 years old, and I can confirm that they got smaller over time.  But what strikes me most is the Apple's transformers are often half the size (or less) of other transformers at the same power.  It seems silly to me to have dozens of these things clustered onto one power strip, all with varying size, efficiency, and quality.  It would be better to have one highly efficient transformer with multiple plugs, that could charge multiple devices.</p><p>Perhaps this decision is the first step toward achieving this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once they do this , I hope someone makes an efficient multi-charger.I collect wall warts .
Some are 15 years old , and I can confirm that they got smaller over time .
But what strikes me most is the Apple 's transformers are often half the size ( or less ) of other transformers at the same power .
It seems silly to me to have dozens of these things clustered onto one power strip , all with varying size , efficiency , and quality .
It would be better to have one highly efficient transformer with multiple plugs , that could charge multiple devices.Perhaps this decision is the first step toward achieving this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once they do this, I hope someone makes an efficient multi-charger.I collect wall warts.
Some are 15 years old, and I can confirm that they got smaller over time.
But what strikes me most is the Apple's transformers are often half the size (or less) of other transformers at the same power.
It seems silly to me to have dozens of these things clustered onto one power strip, all with varying size, efficiency, and quality.
It would be better to have one highly efficient transformer with multiple plugs, that could charge multiple devices.Perhaps this decision is the first step toward achieving this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516723</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>MattXBlack</author>
	<datestamp>1246301580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>When this came up first time round I emailed G&#195;&#188;nter Verheugen, Vice President of the European Commission and in charge of this. One of his staff replied after a few weeks (in TIF format, usefully). This is hastily retyped, so spelling mistakes are likely mine.<p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...
You observe that phones have non-standard connectors and therefore require special cables to be connected to computers. A standardised charger requires a standard plug. I expect that this standard plug would not just be used for charging, but also for connecting to computers. The issue will therefore be addressed in parallel.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>So it seems they are aware of the issue and 'addressing' it. I'm interpreting 'expect' in the sense of 'England expects every man to do his duty' rather than 'I expect it'll be alright'.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When this came up first time round I emailed G     nter Verheugen , Vice President of the European Commission and in charge of this .
One of his staff replied after a few weeks ( in TIF format , usefully ) .
This is hastily retyped , so spelling mistakes are likely mine .
.. . You observe that phones have non-standard connectors and therefore require special cables to be connected to computers .
A standardised charger requires a standard plug .
I expect that this standard plug would not just be used for charging , but also for connecting to computers .
The issue will therefore be addressed in parallel .
...So it seems they are aware of the issue and 'addressing ' it .
I 'm interpreting 'expect ' in the sense of 'England expects every man to do his duty ' rather than 'I expect it 'll be alright' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When this came up first time round I emailed GÃ¼nter Verheugen, Vice President of the European Commission and in charge of this.
One of his staff replied after a few weeks (in TIF format, usefully).
This is hastily retyped, so spelling mistakes are likely mine.
...
You observe that phones have non-standard connectors and therefore require special cables to be connected to computers.
A standardised charger requires a standard plug.
I expect that this standard plug would not just be used for charging, but also for connecting to computers.
The issue will therefore be addressed in parallel.
...So it seems they are aware of the issue and 'addressing' it.
I'm interpreting 'expect' in the sense of 'England expects every man to do his duty' rather than 'I expect it'll be alright'.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515333</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>microUSB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>microUSB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>microUSB</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28523887</id>
	<title>Re:Good!</title>
	<author>Kalriath</author>
	<datestamp>1246293480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quit whining until you've seen Nokia's latest innovation in phone charging.</p><p>A 1.5MM thick round DC plug!  Yay!</p><p>Breathe in its general direction and it breaks.  Plug it in 20 times and it starts suffering metal fatigue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quit whining until you 've seen Nokia 's latest innovation in phone charging.A 1.5MM thick round DC plug !
Yay ! Breathe in its general direction and it breaks .
Plug it in 20 times and it starts suffering metal fatigue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quit whining until you've seen Nokia's latest innovation in phone charging.A 1.5MM thick round DC plug!
Yay!Breathe in its general direction and it breaks.
Plug it in 20 times and it starts suffering metal fatigue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515369</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516849</id>
	<title>Re:Everonmentalism I can agree with</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246302060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NASCAR driving new tech for the consumer? Really dude? I mean.... Really? You couldn't have chosen Formula or Le Mans or WRC or any racing series that actually innovates new technology?</p><p>I'll give you-- 750 HP out of a pushrod engine with no forced induction is pretty impressive, but pretty much anything NASCAR is going to "give back" to consumers happened in the 1960s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NASCAR driving new tech for the consumer ?
Really dude ?
I mean.... Really ? You could n't have chosen Formula or Le Mans or WRC or any racing series that actually innovates new technology ? I 'll give you-- 750 HP out of a pushrod engine with no forced induction is pretty impressive , but pretty much anything NASCAR is going to " give back " to consumers happened in the 1960s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NASCAR driving new tech for the consumer?
Really dude?
I mean.... Really? You couldn't have chosen Formula or Le Mans or WRC or any racing series that actually innovates new technology?I'll give you-- 750 HP out of a pushrod engine with no forced induction is pretty impressive, but pretty much anything NASCAR is going to "give back" to consumers happened in the 1960s.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515461</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515417</id>
	<title>Re:Good, I guess...</title>
	<author>ColdWetDog</author>
	<datestamp>1246296600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>While I like the idea of compatible chargers, I suspect that this means that all of the existing chargers will suddenly become obsolete with the next generation of phones...</p></div></blockquote><p>
Nah, your iPhone charger will still work.<br> <br>
With your iPhone and nothing else, of course.  I take it that Apple isn't part of this little bandwagon.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I like the idea of compatible chargers , I suspect that this means that all of the existing chargers will suddenly become obsolete with the next generation of phones.. . Nah , your iPhone charger will still work .
With your iPhone and nothing else , of course .
I take it that Apple is n't part of this little bandwagon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I like the idea of compatible chargers, I suspect that this means that all of the existing chargers will suddenly become obsolete with the next generation of phones...
Nah, your iPhone charger will still work.
With your iPhone and nothing else, of course.
I take it that Apple isn't part of this little bandwagon.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515271</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516311</id>
	<title>Just to be pedantic</title>
	<author>CrashandDie</author>
	<datestamp>1246300020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But if it's in Europe, then it should be "Mobile phone".</htmltext>
<tokenext>But if it 's in Europe , then it should be " Mobile phone " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if it's in Europe, then it should be "Mobile phone".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28525435</id>
	<title>Re:How about the damn US?</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1246353360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Verizon LG phone (enV2) has a micro-USB charger.  I believe most other current models have the same.</p><p>I lost my original one, was in an urgent situation, and bought one from the local Verizon store.  It was a generic model, and cost about $10 (no authentication, DRM, or anything of that sort).  The salesman explained to me that Verizon themselves are sick of stocking 50 different kinds of chargers, and are trying to standardize on micro-USB for new models.  People lose and re-buy chargers fast enough that they're not worried about losing a few sales.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Verizon LG phone ( enV2 ) has a micro-USB charger .
I believe most other current models have the same.I lost my original one , was in an urgent situation , and bought one from the local Verizon store .
It was a generic model , and cost about $ 10 ( no authentication , DRM , or anything of that sort ) .
The salesman explained to me that Verizon themselves are sick of stocking 50 different kinds of chargers , and are trying to standardize on micro-USB for new models .
People lose and re-buy chargers fast enough that they 're not worried about losing a few sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Verizon LG phone (enV2) has a micro-USB charger.
I believe most other current models have the same.I lost my original one, was in an urgent situation, and bought one from the local Verizon store.
It was a generic model, and cost about $10 (no authentication, DRM, or anything of that sort).
The salesman explained to me that Verizon themselves are sick of stocking 50 different kinds of chargers, and are trying to standardize on micro-USB for new models.
People lose and re-buy chargers fast enough that they're not worried about losing a few sales.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515263</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516025</id>
	<title>Re:Micro</title>
	<author>AlecC</author>
	<datestamp>1246298820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The micro-USB is superior to the mini-USB in that the springs which provide the retaining force are on the cable side and not on the phone side. If the spring breaks, you throw away the cable/charger, not the phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The micro-USB is superior to the mini-USB in that the springs which provide the retaining force are on the cable side and not on the phone side .
If the spring breaks , you throw away the cable/charger , not the phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The micro-USB is superior to the mini-USB in that the springs which provide the retaining force are on the cable side and not on the phone side.
If the spring breaks, you throw away the cable/charger, not the phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515283</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516605</id>
	<title>Re:Micro</title>
	<author>jeffmeden</author>
	<datestamp>1246301160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The story is incorrectly tagged miniusb.  It's actually micro USB (which is an inferior connector, in my opinion) which is slightly smaller and lacks the "ears" of mini USB, which is what the Blackberry uses. <b>(in my opinion)</b> </p><p>-Peter</p></div><p>Fixed that for ya.  New BlackBerry devices will use the micro-usb connection (some, like the Storm, already do).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The story is incorrectly tagged miniusb .
It 's actually micro USB ( which is an inferior connector , in my opinion ) which is slightly smaller and lacks the " ears " of mini USB , which is what the Blackberry uses .
( in my opinion ) -PeterFixed that for ya .
New BlackBerry devices will use the micro-usb connection ( some , like the Storm , already do ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The story is incorrectly tagged miniusb.
It's actually micro USB (which is an inferior connector, in my opinion) which is slightly smaller and lacks the "ears" of mini USB, which is what the Blackberry uses.
(in my opinion) -PeterFixed that for ya.
New BlackBerry devices will use the micro-usb connection (some, like the Storm, already do).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515283</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28520097</id>
	<title>Damn !</title>
	<author>32771</author>
	<datestamp>1246270920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just offered my dad to solder a fancy golden SMA connector to his cell phone for this purpose. Finally something solid looking. Since you guys like WLAN routers with detacheable antennas so much they aren't even the most expensive anymore. Besides, they go from DC to 4GHz, so why shouldn't I.</p><p>I might even decide on an efficient 48 Volts low voltage device home standard. Unfortunately the industry hasn't come my way yet, but they will figure this out some time soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just offered my dad to solder a fancy golden SMA connector to his cell phone for this purpose .
Finally something solid looking .
Since you guys like WLAN routers with detacheable antennas so much they are n't even the most expensive anymore .
Besides , they go from DC to 4GHz , so why should n't I.I might even decide on an efficient 48 Volts low voltage device home standard .
Unfortunately the industry has n't come my way yet , but they will figure this out some time soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just offered my dad to solder a fancy golden SMA connector to his cell phone for this purpose.
Finally something solid looking.
Since you guys like WLAN routers with detacheable antennas so much they aren't even the most expensive anymore.
Besides, they go from DC to 4GHz, so why shouldn't I.I might even decide on an efficient 48 Volts low voltage device home standard.
Unfortunately the industry hasn't come my way yet, but they will figure this out some time soon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28520691</id>
	<title>Re:Now you need a firewall for the charger.</title>
	<author>Nikademus</author>
	<datestamp>1246273500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Motorola RAZR phones, for example, won't charge on PCs unless the Motorola driver is present to do the handshake.</p></div><p>This only happens on windows, if you are running whatever other OS (Solaris, Linux, OpenBSD, MacOSX), it will charge on USB without any supplementary driver of any kind.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Motorola RAZR phones , for example , wo n't charge on PCs unless the Motorola driver is present to do the handshake.This only happens on windows , if you are running whatever other OS ( Solaris , Linux , OpenBSD , MacOSX ) , it will charge on USB without any supplementary driver of any kind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Motorola RAZR phones, for example, won't charge on PCs unless the Motorola driver is present to do the handshake.This only happens on windows, if you are running whatever other OS (Solaris, Linux, OpenBSD, MacOSX), it will charge on USB without any supplementary driver of any kind.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516799</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28521427</id>
	<title>Re:Now you need a firewall for the charger.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246277460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Duh,<br>Idiot,<br>How can it do the current-request handshake with NO DATA&#194;WIRES.</p><p>Why is it that the rest of the world is NOTICING how your educational system works NOT!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Duh,Idiot,How can it do the current-request handshake with NO DATA   WIRES.Why is it that the rest of the world is NOTICING how your educational system works NOT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Duh,Idiot,How can it do the current-request handshake with NO DATAÂWIRES.Why is it that the rest of the world is NOTICING how your educational system works NOT!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516799</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515541</id>
	<title>God damned liberal communists</title>
	<author>meist3r</author>
	<datestamp>1246297140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Limiting the free market 'n shit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Limiting the free market 'n shit .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Limiting the free market 'n shit ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517071</id>
	<title>"Dumb phones" exempt?</title>
	<author>FrostDust</author>
	<datestamp>1246302900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The chargers will be usable only for data-enabled phones... Data-enabled phones are expected to account for almost half of all new mobile handset purchases in 2010.</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>New data-enabled phones will come with a standardized charger</p></div><p>What's up with this? Is there something about MicroUSB that requires a phone with a data plan?</p><p>The only thin I can think of is that this is a a way out for manufacturers, so that they can keep costs down on bargain phones by manufacturing them with cheaper chargers and connectors.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The chargers will be usable only for data-enabled phones... Data-enabled phones are expected to account for almost half of all new mobile handset purchases in 2010.New data-enabled phones will come with a standardized chargerWhat 's up with this ?
Is there something about MicroUSB that requires a phone with a data plan ? The only thin I can think of is that this is a a way out for manufacturers , so that they can keep costs down on bargain phones by manufacturing them with cheaper chargers and connectors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The chargers will be usable only for data-enabled phones... Data-enabled phones are expected to account for almost half of all new mobile handset purchases in 2010.New data-enabled phones will come with a standardized chargerWhat's up with this?
Is there something about MicroUSB that requires a phone with a data plan?The only thin I can think of is that this is a a way out for manufacturers, so that they can keep costs down on bargain phones by manufacturing them with cheaper chargers and connectors.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517303</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>Kadagan AU</author>
	<datestamp>1246303740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>2. Will this be coordinated with the Chinese standard? If both the EU and China agree on a standard, India and Japan can be convinced to adopt it. Leaving America to figure out which direction it wants to go.</i>
<br> <br>
If the metric system vs. SAE is any gauge, we'll use our own thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 .
Will this be coordinated with the Chinese standard ?
If both the EU and China agree on a standard , India and Japan can be convinced to adopt it .
Leaving America to figure out which direction it wants to go .
If the metric system vs. SAE is any gauge , we 'll use our own thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2.
Will this be coordinated with the Chinese standard?
If both the EU and China agree on a standard, India and Japan can be convinced to adopt it.
Leaving America to figure out which direction it wants to go.
If the metric system vs. SAE is any gauge, we'll use our own thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515701</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517847</id>
	<title>Re:Batteries too...</title>
	<author>kroyd</author>
	<datestamp>1246305960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Clearly the right answer to this is to buy a combined shaver and mobile phone! (http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.23065 is one example)<p>

Sadly, so far the mobile phones with built in shaves have had two batteries, but they do seem to charge from USB.</p><p>

Now, if only the shaverphone had wireless and ran say Android.. This is clearly a missed opportunity for the mobile phone makers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly the right answer to this is to buy a combined shaver and mobile phone !
( http : //www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.23065 is one example ) Sadly , so far the mobile phones with built in shaves have had two batteries , but they do seem to charge from USB .
Now , if only the shaverphone had wireless and ran say Android.. This is clearly a missed opportunity for the mobile phone makers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly the right answer to this is to buy a combined shaver and mobile phone!
(http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.23065 is one example)

Sadly, so far the mobile phones with built in shaves have had two batteries, but they do seem to charge from USB.
Now, if only the shaverphone had wireless and ran say Android.. This is clearly a missed opportunity for the mobile phone makers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515305</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515695</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks EU regulation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246297800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the market IS working in the environment that exists - that it, it is taking full advantage of the fact that the cell phone charging industry does not bear the external cost of disposing of perfectly good chargers every time we get a new device.  We need the regulation to push that external cost to be part of the product - then market forces will adjust.</p><p>Rather than a universal charger designed by committee and consensus, I'd rather see regulation aimed directly at closing off the externality.  Like maybe requiring cell phone companies to accept old charges back for a credit.  Or not being allowed to package a charger along with the phone - make the consumer buy them separately.  I think something along those lines would have the same effect, getting better, cheaper, and universal chargers with minimal overhead.</p><p>But either way, I sure hope it spills over to the US - and to other devices.  If I have a device that needs 5v, seems like I should only need a transformer of the proper rating - not a random connector as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the market IS working in the environment that exists - that it , it is taking full advantage of the fact that the cell phone charging industry does not bear the external cost of disposing of perfectly good chargers every time we get a new device .
We need the regulation to push that external cost to be part of the product - then market forces will adjust.Rather than a universal charger designed by committee and consensus , I 'd rather see regulation aimed directly at closing off the externality .
Like maybe requiring cell phone companies to accept old charges back for a credit .
Or not being allowed to package a charger along with the phone - make the consumer buy them separately .
I think something along those lines would have the same effect , getting better , cheaper , and universal chargers with minimal overhead.But either way , I sure hope it spills over to the US - and to other devices .
If I have a device that needs 5v , seems like I should only need a transformer of the proper rating - not a random connector as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the market IS working in the environment that exists - that it, it is taking full advantage of the fact that the cell phone charging industry does not bear the external cost of disposing of perfectly good chargers every time we get a new device.
We need the regulation to push that external cost to be part of the product - then market forces will adjust.Rather than a universal charger designed by committee and consensus, I'd rather see regulation aimed directly at closing off the externality.
Like maybe requiring cell phone companies to accept old charges back for a credit.
Or not being allowed to package a charger along with the phone - make the consumer buy them separately.
I think something along those lines would have the same effect, getting better, cheaper, and universal chargers with minimal overhead.But either way, I sure hope it spills over to the US - and to other devices.
If I have a device that needs 5v, seems like I should only need a transformer of the proper rating - not a random connector as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515419</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516189</id>
	<title>*bicycle* chargers</title>
	<author>Dystopian Rebel</author>
	<datestamp>1246299540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The manufacturers of mobile telephones need to take environmental responsibility. A standard connector for AC charging is a step in the right direction. This should make it easier to develop a standard mobile telephone charger for bicycles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The manufacturers of mobile telephones need to take environmental responsibility .
A standard connector for AC charging is a step in the right direction .
This should make it easier to develop a standard mobile telephone charger for bicycles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The manufacturers of mobile telephones need to take environmental responsibility.
A standard connector for AC charging is a step in the right direction.
This should make it easier to develop a standard mobile telephone charger for bicycles.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515263</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515915</id>
	<title>Why stop at phones?</title>
	<author>dfxm</author>
	<datestamp>1246298460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I like that my PS3 controller uses mini USB for charging. I can even charge it right from my MacBook!

There are a lot of things that can be recharged, and as things get more wireless, it's going to become more important.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I like that my PS3 controller uses mini USB for charging .
I can even charge it right from my MacBook !
There are a lot of things that can be recharged , and as things get more wireless , it 's going to become more important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like that my PS3 controller uses mini USB for charging.
I can even charge it right from my MacBook!
There are a lot of things that can be recharged, and as things get more wireless, it's going to become more important.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517257</id>
	<title>i'm startled...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246303560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember a similar article posted on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., when the EU first announced, that it wanted to force a standard for cellphone chargers, a year ago or something like that. If memory serves me right most of the posts back then ridiculed this idea, giving reasons like<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; + companies know best what is good for their customers (or is their very own pockets?)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; + free market!!!<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; + regulation is bad<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; + (fill in your own reasons)</p><p>And now most posts are positive or neutral? What the hell happened to <b>the land of the free?</b><br>Well, whatever it was, welcome to sanity!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember a similar article posted on /. , when the EU first announced , that it wanted to force a standard for cellphone chargers , a year ago or something like that .
If memory serves me right most of the posts back then ridiculed this idea , giving reasons like       + companies know best what is good for their customers ( or is their very own pockets ?
)       + free market ! ! !
      + regulation is bad       + ( fill in your own reasons ) And now most posts are positive or neutral ?
What the hell happened to the land of the free ? Well , whatever it was , welcome to sanity !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember a similar article posted on /., when the EU first announced, that it wanted to force a standard for cellphone chargers, a year ago or something like that.
If memory serves me right most of the posts back then ridiculed this idea, giving reasons like
      + companies know best what is good for their customers (or is their very own pockets?
)
      + free market!!!
      + regulation is bad
      + (fill in your own reasons)And now most posts are positive or neutral?
What the hell happened to the land of the free?Well, whatever it was, welcome to sanity!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516451</id>
	<title>Re:Mini-USB Lockin, there are ways</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1246300620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no chip it just puts a little voltage on the data lines. Just take a usb extender and splice one in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no chip it just puts a little voltage on the data lines .
Just take a usb extender and splice one in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no chip it just puts a little voltage on the data lines.
Just take a usb extender and splice one in.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515739</id>
	<title>meanwhile, when I switched from my Razr to my G1..</title>
	<author>Laebshade</author>
	<datestamp>1246297920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I switched from my Razr to my G1 and was able to keep all my chargers.  All my data cables worked, too.   Even though the HTC G1 uses the proprietary Ext USB connector, it is backwards compatible with mini-USB connectors.  1 charger and data cable at work, 2 chargers and a data cable at home, and 1 data cable to carry in my bag.  I wish more vendors were like Motorola and HTC.</p><p>Unfortunately, my new stereo bluetooh Lubix headset has a microUSB charger.  Damn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I switched from my Razr to my G1 and was able to keep all my chargers .
All my data cables worked , too .
Even though the HTC G1 uses the proprietary Ext USB connector , it is backwards compatible with mini-USB connectors .
1 charger and data cable at work , 2 chargers and a data cable at home , and 1 data cable to carry in my bag .
I wish more vendors were like Motorola and HTC.Unfortunately , my new stereo bluetooh Lubix headset has a microUSB charger .
Damn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I switched from my Razr to my G1 and was able to keep all my chargers.
All my data cables worked, too.
Even though the HTC G1 uses the proprietary Ext USB connector, it is backwards compatible with mini-USB connectors.
1 charger and data cable at work, 2 chargers and a data cable at home, and 1 data cable to carry in my bag.
I wish more vendors were like Motorola and HTC.Unfortunately, my new stereo bluetooh Lubix headset has a microUSB charger.
Damn.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515257</id>
	<title>So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will it be Mini-USB or some proprietary connector?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will it be Mini-USB or some proprietary connector ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will it be Mini-USB or some proprietary connector?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515625</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>Forge</author>
	<datestamp>1246297500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>RTFA
It will be Mini-USB.  However there are 2 issues still to clarify.

1. Will the phone be required to charge at the standard voltages delivered by a PC USB port?  I would hate to see that BS achieved by Motorola, where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed.  I would prefer if everyone else has to change to match Blackberry.  If my Blackberry runs low in the data center I can just plug into any exposed USB port on a powered up server.  .  A Dell waiting at the BIOS screen or a SUN in full production.

2. Will this be coordinated with the Chinese standard? If both the EU and China agree on a standard, India and Japan can be convinced to adopt it.  Leaving America to figure out which direction it wants to go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFA It will be Mini-USB .
However there are 2 issues still to clarify .
1. Will the phone be required to charge at the standard voltages delivered by a PC USB port ?
I would hate to see that BS achieved by Motorola , where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed .
I would prefer if everyone else has to change to match Blackberry .
If my Blackberry runs low in the data center I can just plug into any exposed USB port on a powered up server .
. A Dell waiting at the BIOS screen or a SUN in full production .
2. Will this be coordinated with the Chinese standard ?
If both the EU and China agree on a standard , India and Japan can be convinced to adopt it .
Leaving America to figure out which direction it wants to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFA
It will be Mini-USB.
However there are 2 issues still to clarify.
1. Will the phone be required to charge at the standard voltages delivered by a PC USB port?
I would hate to see that BS achieved by Motorola, where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed.
I would prefer if everyone else has to change to match Blackberry.
If my Blackberry runs low in the data center I can just plug into any exposed USB port on a powered up server.
.  A Dell waiting at the BIOS screen or a SUN in full production.
2. Will this be coordinated with the Chinese standard?
If both the EU and China agree on a standard, India and Japan can be convinced to adopt it.
Leaving America to figure out which direction it wants to go.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515257</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515439</id>
	<title>So...</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1246296660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any word on whether or not they'll be adding a cryptographic handshake that will lock the chargers down harder than connector swapping ever did?<br> <br>

They could even adopt a wireless commerce model: "The charger you have connected is not an official 'Motorola by Verizon' brand charger. Press 'OK' to activate the charger for a payment of $29.95 or purchase an official charger." With cellphone location services, you could even do location based selective lockouts! "I'm sorry, your charger is authorized for home use only. Please subscribe to our 'Home and Business' charger plan or, for travellers, 'National Omnicharge Premium' for just $19.95 a month."<br> <br>

Ah, evil.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any word on whether or not they 'll be adding a cryptographic handshake that will lock the chargers down harder than connector swapping ever did ?
They could even adopt a wireless commerce model : " The charger you have connected is not an official 'Motorola by Verizon ' brand charger .
Press 'OK ' to activate the charger for a payment of $ 29.95 or purchase an official charger .
" With cellphone location services , you could even do location based selective lockouts !
" I 'm sorry , your charger is authorized for home use only .
Please subscribe to our 'Home and Business ' charger plan or , for travellers , 'National Omnicharge Premium ' for just $ 19.95 a month .
" Ah , evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any word on whether or not they'll be adding a cryptographic handshake that will lock the chargers down harder than connector swapping ever did?
They could even adopt a wireless commerce model: "The charger you have connected is not an official 'Motorola by Verizon' brand charger.
Press 'OK' to activate the charger for a payment of $29.95 or purchase an official charger.
" With cellphone location services, you could even do location based selective lockouts!
"I'm sorry, your charger is authorized for home use only.
Please subscribe to our 'Home and Business' charger plan or, for travellers, 'National Omnicharge Premium' for just $19.95 a month.
" 

Ah, evil.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516405</id>
	<title>Re:How about the damn US?</title>
	<author>Maxo-Texas</author>
	<datestamp>1246300380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since you can buy chargers for $9 to $14 at the local walmart (I have one for my office, home, car), there is not much lockin.</p><p>But it is idiotic.  There should be one kind of charger.  Then chargers would be $5.  And you would have a lot less waste (my last phone chargers became junk when I changed phones).<br>I can use the same micro-sd memory card on my various phones-- that's nice for transferring data.  And I can plug them into my laptop.</p><p>Multiple charger formats is as dumb as having more than 5 or 6 kinds of alternators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since you can buy chargers for $ 9 to $ 14 at the local walmart ( I have one for my office , home , car ) , there is not much lockin.But it is idiotic .
There should be one kind of charger .
Then chargers would be $ 5 .
And you would have a lot less waste ( my last phone chargers became junk when I changed phones ) .I can use the same micro-sd memory card on my various phones-- that 's nice for transferring data .
And I can plug them into my laptop.Multiple charger formats is as dumb as having more than 5 or 6 kinds of alternators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since you can buy chargers for $9 to $14 at the local walmart (I have one for my office, home, car), there is not much lockin.But it is idiotic.
There should be one kind of charger.
Then chargers would be $5.
And you would have a lot less waste (my last phone chargers became junk when I changed phones).I can use the same micro-sd memory card on my various phones-- that's nice for transferring data.
And I can plug them into my laptop.Multiple charger formats is as dumb as having more than 5 or 6 kinds of alternators.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515263</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515391</id>
	<title>Standard Charges?</title>
	<author>ArhcAngel</author>
	<datestamp>1246296540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man, I knew that headline was too good to be true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , I knew that headline was too good to be true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, I knew that headline was too good to be true.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516969</id>
	<title>Re:Everonmentalism I can agree with</title>
	<author>compro01</author>
	<datestamp>1246302480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>E-85 - Ethanol is pointless without forced induction, but with it, it crushes gasoline, as you can ramp up the boost and thus the efficiency, enough that you can match milage.  And there's lots more sources than corn (which sucks profoundly) like sugar cane and sugar beets, the latter would grow GREAT in most of the US.  And it'll be even better when/if we figure out cellulose ethanol.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>E-85 - Ethanol is pointless without forced induction , but with it , it crushes gasoline , as you can ramp up the boost and thus the efficiency , enough that you can match milage .
And there 's lots more sources than corn ( which sucks profoundly ) like sugar cane and sugar beets , the latter would grow GREAT in most of the US .
And it 'll be even better when/if we figure out cellulose ethanol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>E-85 - Ethanol is pointless without forced induction, but with it, it crushes gasoline, as you can ramp up the boost and thus the efficiency, enough that you can match milage.
And there's lots more sources than corn (which sucks profoundly) like sugar cane and sugar beets, the latter would grow GREAT in most of the US.
And it'll be even better when/if we figure out cellulose ethanol.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515461</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516441</id>
	<title>Re:Correction</title>
	<author>Wisconsingod</author>
	<datestamp>1246300560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy again, especially around my wallet.</p></div><p>Be careful, that warm and fuzzy feeling is what you get when you're getting pickpocketed</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm feeling all warm and fuzzy again , especially around my wallet.Be careful , that warm and fuzzy feeling is what you get when you 're getting pickpocketed</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I'm feeling all warm and fuzzy again, especially around my wallet.Be careful, that warm and fuzzy feeling is what you get when you're getting pickpocketed
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515311</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515369</id>
	<title>Good!</title>
	<author>zebslash</author>
	<datestamp>1246296480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My girlfriend and me have both a Sony-Ericson phone, bought 3 years apart. Guess what ? Both chargers and connectors are proprietary, fragile, weird and different! Of course if you lose it you'll have to spend an arm to get a replacement.</p><p>However this will only work if vendors give the option NOT to get a new charger with a new phone. Otherwise, this will not be really useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My girlfriend and me have both a Sony-Ericson phone , bought 3 years apart .
Guess what ?
Both chargers and connectors are proprietary , fragile , weird and different !
Of course if you lose it you 'll have to spend an arm to get a replacement.However this will only work if vendors give the option NOT to get a new charger with a new phone .
Otherwise , this will not be really useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My girlfriend and me have both a Sony-Ericson phone, bought 3 years apart.
Guess what ?
Both chargers and connectors are proprietary, fragile, weird and different!
Of course if you lose it you'll have to spend an arm to get a replacement.However this will only work if vendors give the option NOT to get a new charger with a new phone.
Otherwise, this will not be really useful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28518507</id>
	<title>Re:Mini-USB Lockin, there are ways</title>
	<author>stuffeh</author>
	<datestamp>1246308720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You must have verizon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You must have verizon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must have verizon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515583</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515845</id>
	<title>Cutting costs for consumers</title>
	<author>zhilla2</author>
	<datestamp>1246298280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I work at a small company ( 200 workers) and there is always a box with bunch of working mobile phones with dead chargers. Or working chargers from long dead mobile phones - all being kept for "pairing" - so until a match pops up, it's a box full of junk. If this was mandatory 10 years ago, we would have definitely saved some money. And have -1 box of junk.
Oh and standard batteries would also rock. Of course, at least 3-4 standard types would be necessary due to different phone forms, but still much better than this proprietary mess.
And that's just the financial/practical side. Don't get me started on the ecological side<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I work at a small company ( 200 workers ) and there is always a box with bunch of working mobile phones with dead chargers .
Or working chargers from long dead mobile phones - all being kept for " pairing " - so until a match pops up , it 's a box full of junk .
If this was mandatory 10 years ago , we would have definitely saved some money .
And have -1 box of junk .
Oh and standard batteries would also rock .
Of course , at least 3-4 standard types would be necessary due to different phone forms , but still much better than this proprietary mess .
And that 's just the financial/practical side .
Do n't get me started on the ecological side : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work at a small company ( 200 workers) and there is always a box with bunch of working mobile phones with dead chargers.
Or working chargers from long dead mobile phones - all being kept for "pairing" - so until a match pops up, it's a box full of junk.
If this was mandatory 10 years ago, we would have definitely saved some money.
And have -1 box of junk.
Oh and standard batteries would also rock.
Of course, at least 3-4 standard types would be necessary due to different phone forms, but still much better than this proprietary mess.
And that's just the financial/practical side.
Don't get me started on the ecological side :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515345</id>
	<title>Those EUROS! Lol</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Those Euros think they are so smart making their chargers standard. Nonsense I'd say! Bell Tech Support told me once that they HAVE to make special chargers that I have to buy or replace for each phone. These of course were made with HIGH quality materials and so cost a heck of a lot more. So how are they going to charge their phones with a "standard" charger? Bell said they're the right ones on the TV on their pretty advertisement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those Euros think they are so smart making their chargers standard .
Nonsense I 'd say !
Bell Tech Support told me once that they HAVE to make special chargers that I have to buy or replace for each phone .
These of course were made with HIGH quality materials and so cost a heck of a lot more .
So how are they going to charge their phones with a " standard " charger ?
Bell said they 're the right ones on the TV on their pretty advertisement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those Euros think they are so smart making their chargers standard.
Nonsense I'd say!
Bell Tech Support told me once that they HAVE to make special chargers that I have to buy or replace for each phone.
These of course were made with HIGH quality materials and so cost a heck of a lot more.
So how are they going to charge their phones with a "standard" charger?
Bell said they're the right ones on the TV on their pretty advertisement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516023</id>
	<title>Sony, Apple and Standard in the same line?</title>
	<author>WarwickRyan</author>
	<datestamp>1246298820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, can't believe that.  The only standard they ever follow are their own.</p><p>They're so only going to use the same plug but put the charging ability in software/hardware to force you to buy their accessories.  Like they both already do (but with their own connectors).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , ca n't believe that .
The only standard they ever follow are their own.They 're so only going to use the same plug but put the charging ability in software/hardware to force you to buy their accessories .
Like they both already do ( but with their own connectors ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, can't believe that.
The only standard they ever follow are their own.They're so only going to use the same plug but put the charging ability in software/hardware to force you to buy their accessories.
Like they both already do (but with their own connectors).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515419</id>
	<title>Thanks EU regulation</title>
	<author>slb</author>
	<datestamp>1246296600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A good exemple that sometimes the market is unable to find the most optimal solution and someone has to regulate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A good exemple that sometimes the market is unable to find the most optimal solution and someone has to regulate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A good exemple that sometimes the market is unable to find the most optimal solution and someone has to regulate.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516701</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>cowbutt</author>
	<datestamp>1246301520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200612/19/eng20061219\_334047.html" title="peopledaily.com.cn">China mandated micro-USB charging sockets in December 2006</a> [peopledaily.com.cn], so <a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/communications/0,1000000085,39289524,00.htm" title="zdnet.co.uk">the EU is just falling in line</a> [zdnet.co.uk]. Yawn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>China mandated micro-USB charging sockets in December 2006 [ peopledaily.com.cn ] , so the EU is just falling in line [ zdnet.co.uk ] .
Yawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China mandated micro-USB charging sockets in December 2006 [peopledaily.com.cn], so the EU is just falling in line [zdnet.co.uk].
Yawn.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515625</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517929</id>
	<title>We're the telephone company</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1246306320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ah, evil.</p></div><p>We don't need to be evil, we're the telephone com... wait!</p><p>What was that line again?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah , evil.We do n't need to be evil , we 're the telephone com... wait ! What was that line again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah, evil.We don't need to be evil, we're the telephone com... wait!What was that line again?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515439</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515461</id>
	<title>Everonmentalism I can agree with</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm no environ-nut.  I don't bend over backwards to save the earth.  But I do make a change when something 'makes sense.'</p><p>A prius? Value isn't there.  High up-front costs, low performance.  I think not.</p><p>E-85?  Lower energy output than gasoline.  Starving people that depend on Corn.  Did you know that last year the Mexicans had a shortage of corn products.  Do you know they use a LOT more corn than we (US-IANS) do<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.Glad we're past that.</p><p>On the other hand:<br>CFL - A time and a place.  I leave our front porch lights on at night, and a few others for security.  I put in CFLs to save a little money.  They run all night and I don't need them instantly, so the warm up time doesn't bother me.  I tried them in a closet... No way.  I'm done in the closet before they warm up.  They make all of my clothes look blue so I can't figure out which pants are which.  And I'll be damned if I ever put them in the kids room.  HIGH chance of broken bulb.  Mercury/Carpet/Kids don't mix.</p><p>LED bulbs... I can't wait (till they're under $5.)  Instant-on, LOW wattage, user-selectable colors.  The US may as well skip mandating CFL because LED is where we're going.</p><p>Other Hybrids... Before long, NASCAR is going to see that there's some way to make this hybrid stuff make cars go faster and farther without a pit-stop... There are four industries here that drive new tech for the consumer. Military, NASA, Nascar and pr0n.</p><p>And all my devices on the same plug?  GREAT.  Less waste will hopefully mean less cost for me.  Sure the manufacturers are going to eat most of that money as profit.  But, if it means that I don't have to worry about buying a $30 car charger from ATT, I can just use a generic one for $5.  Plus I can have a charger in the car, a charger at home and one at the office.  I'll never have to worry about being without my iPhone cable again.  At a neighbor's house?  Good, their's is the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm no environ-nut .
I do n't bend over backwards to save the earth .
But I do make a change when something 'makes sense .
'A prius ?
Value is n't there .
High up-front costs , low performance .
I think not.E-85 ?
Lower energy output than gasoline .
Starving people that depend on Corn .
Did you know that last year the Mexicans had a shortage of corn products .
Do you know they use a LOT more corn than we ( US-IANS ) do .Glad we 're past that.On the other hand : CFL - A time and a place .
I leave our front porch lights on at night , and a few others for security .
I put in CFLs to save a little money .
They run all night and I do n't need them instantly , so the warm up time does n't bother me .
I tried them in a closet... No way .
I 'm done in the closet before they warm up .
They make all of my clothes look blue so I ca n't figure out which pants are which .
And I 'll be damned if I ever put them in the kids room .
HIGH chance of broken bulb .
Mercury/Carpet/Kids do n't mix.LED bulbs... I ca n't wait ( till they 're under $ 5 .
) Instant-on , LOW wattage , user-selectable colors .
The US may as well skip mandating CFL because LED is where we 're going.Other Hybrids... Before long , NASCAR is going to see that there 's some way to make this hybrid stuff make cars go faster and farther without a pit-stop... There are four industries here that drive new tech for the consumer .
Military , NASA , Nascar and pr0n.And all my devices on the same plug ?
GREAT. Less waste will hopefully mean less cost for me .
Sure the manufacturers are going to eat most of that money as profit .
But , if it means that I do n't have to worry about buying a $ 30 car charger from ATT , I can just use a generic one for $ 5 .
Plus I can have a charger in the car , a charger at home and one at the office .
I 'll never have to worry about being without my iPhone cable again .
At a neighbor 's house ?
Good , their 's is the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm no environ-nut.
I don't bend over backwards to save the earth.
But I do make a change when something 'makes sense.
'A prius?
Value isn't there.
High up-front costs, low performance.
I think not.E-85?
Lower energy output than gasoline.
Starving people that depend on Corn.
Did you know that last year the Mexicans had a shortage of corn products.
Do you know they use a LOT more corn than we (US-IANS) do .Glad we're past that.On the other hand:CFL - A time and a place.
I leave our front porch lights on at night, and a few others for security.
I put in CFLs to save a little money.
They run all night and I don't need them instantly, so the warm up time doesn't bother me.
I tried them in a closet... No way.
I'm done in the closet before they warm up.
They make all of my clothes look blue so I can't figure out which pants are which.
And I'll be damned if I ever put them in the kids room.
HIGH chance of broken bulb.
Mercury/Carpet/Kids don't mix.LED bulbs... I can't wait (till they're under $5.
)  Instant-on, LOW wattage, user-selectable colors.
The US may as well skip mandating CFL because LED is where we're going.Other Hybrids... Before long, NASCAR is going to see that there's some way to make this hybrid stuff make cars go faster and farther without a pit-stop... There are four industries here that drive new tech for the consumer.
Military, NASA, Nascar and pr0n.And all my devices on the same plug?
GREAT.  Less waste will hopefully mean less cost for me.
Sure the manufacturers are going to eat most of that money as profit.
But, if it means that I don't have to worry about buying a $30 car charger from ATT, I can just use a generic one for $5.
Plus I can have a charger in the car, a charger at home and one at the office.
I'll never have to worry about being without my iPhone cable again.
At a neighbor's house?
Good, their's is the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516549</id>
	<title>Re:Good!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246300860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>However this will only work if vendors give the option NOT to get a new charger with a new phone.</p></div><p>Of course they'll give that option. I'd bet they make it standard practise that new phones ship with no charger. But that won't bring down the price of new phones, the phone manufacturers will just happily keep the money they would have otherwise spent on packaging a charger with the phone<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>However this will only work if vendors give the option NOT to get a new charger with a new phone.Of course they 'll give that option .
I 'd bet they make it standard practise that new phones ship with no charger .
But that wo n't bring down the price of new phones , the phone manufacturers will just happily keep the money they would have otherwise spent on packaging a charger with the phone : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However this will only work if vendors give the option NOT to get a new charger with a new phone.Of course they'll give that option.
I'd bet they make it standard practise that new phones ship with no charger.
But that won't bring down the price of new phones, the phone manufacturers will just happily keep the money they would have otherwise spent on packaging a charger with the phone :)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28522885</id>
	<title>Re:Everonmentalism I can agree with</title>
	<author>ingulsrud</author>
	<datestamp>1246285440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, leaving your porch lights on all night is where the "everon" in the title comes from?<p><div class="quote"><p>A prius? Value isn't there.  High up-front costs, low performance.  I think not.</p></div><p>The Prius blows away just about every other gasoline powered vehicle available today in the highest up-front cost performance factor in history: Emissions. Extremely low emissions is the best reason to get a Prius, especially if you live in an area with a high incidence of respiratory disease amongst children.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Other Hybrids... Before long, NASCAR is going to see that there's some way to make this hybrid stuff make cars go faster and farther without a pit-stop... There are four industries here that drive new tech for the consumer. Military, NASA, Nascar and pr0n.</p></div><p>Toyota and others put electric motors in their SUV drivetrains for the acceleration performance enhancement (peak torque available at zero RPM) as much as the eco-branding. No, NASCAR is not going to be the primary race format to develop this technology, unless they start adding a lot more road courses that actually require the use of brakes.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I'll never have to worry about being without my iPhone cable again.  At a neighbor's house?  Good, their's is the same.</p></div><p>USB was already becoming the de-facto power port for low power devices like mobile phones, especially in the form of AC adapters and battery packs with the ubiquitous USB Type A receptacle. The new EU standard enforces USB power negotiation (thus the "data phone" mandate), but I'd bet real money that Apple bundles a dock connector-to-microUSB adapter instead of polluting the iPhone enclosure with an extra port, and continues shipping a version of its Type A receptacle AC adapter updated to comply with the new EU mandate.</p></div>
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<tokenext>So , leaving your porch lights on all night is where the " everon " in the title comes from ? A prius ?
Value is n't there .
High up-front costs , low performance .
I think not.The Prius blows away just about every other gasoline powered vehicle available today in the highest up-front cost performance factor in history : Emissions .
Extremely low emissions is the best reason to get a Prius , especially if you live in an area with a high incidence of respiratory disease amongst children.Other Hybrids... Before long , NASCAR is going to see that there 's some way to make this hybrid stuff make cars go faster and farther without a pit-stop... There are four industries here that drive new tech for the consumer .
Military , NASA , Nascar and pr0n.Toyota and others put electric motors in their SUV drivetrains for the acceleration performance enhancement ( peak torque available at zero RPM ) as much as the eco-branding .
No , NASCAR is not going to be the primary race format to develop this technology , unless they start adding a lot more road courses that actually require the use of brakes.I 'll never have to worry about being without my iPhone cable again .
At a neighbor 's house ?
Good , their 's is the same.USB was already becoming the de-facto power port for low power devices like mobile phones , especially in the form of AC adapters and battery packs with the ubiquitous USB Type A receptacle .
The new EU standard enforces USB power negotiation ( thus the " data phone " mandate ) , but I 'd bet real money that Apple bundles a dock connector-to-microUSB adapter instead of polluting the iPhone enclosure with an extra port , and continues shipping a version of its Type A receptacle AC adapter updated to comply with the new EU mandate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, leaving your porch lights on all night is where the "everon" in the title comes from?A prius?
Value isn't there.
High up-front costs, low performance.
I think not.The Prius blows away just about every other gasoline powered vehicle available today in the highest up-front cost performance factor in history: Emissions.
Extremely low emissions is the best reason to get a Prius, especially if you live in an area with a high incidence of respiratory disease amongst children.Other Hybrids... Before long, NASCAR is going to see that there's some way to make this hybrid stuff make cars go faster and farther without a pit-stop... There are four industries here that drive new tech for the consumer.
Military, NASA, Nascar and pr0n.Toyota and others put electric motors in their SUV drivetrains for the acceleration performance enhancement (peak torque available at zero RPM) as much as the eco-branding.
No, NASCAR is not going to be the primary race format to develop this technology, unless they start adding a lot more road courses that actually require the use of brakes.I'll never have to worry about being without my iPhone cable again.
At a neighbor's house?
Good, their's is the same.USB was already becoming the de-facto power port for low power devices like mobile phones, especially in the form of AC adapters and battery packs with the ubiquitous USB Type A receptacle.
The new EU standard enforces USB power negotiation (thus the "data phone" mandate), but I'd bet real money that Apple bundles a dock connector-to-microUSB adapter instead of polluting the iPhone enclosure with an extra port, and continues shipping a version of its Type A receptacle AC adapter updated to comply with the new EU mandate.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516427</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>R0UTE</author>
	<datestamp>1246300500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe on the newest Blackberry's that is true but certainly not on my Blackberry 8320. I have to use the bcharge app on Linux or whatever the software is that comes with windows in order to charge mine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe on the newest Blackberry 's that is true but certainly not on my Blackberry 8320 .
I have to use the bcharge app on Linux or whatever the software is that comes with windows in order to charge mine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe on the newest Blackberry's that is true but certainly not on my Blackberry 8320.
I have to use the bcharge app on Linux or whatever the software is that comes with windows in order to charge mine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517377</id>
	<title>Now, if only...</title>
	<author>XB-70</author>
	<datestamp>1246304040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...If only we could get the douche-pail carriers to standardize their rate 'plans' so that we could compare apples to apples. It would feel a smidgen less painful when they jamb yet another ridiculously overpriced contract up our dangerously dilated and sorry asses.
</p><p>I have been feeling for a long time that the issue is not the vendors or the carriers. The issue is with our elected representatives. When was the last time your political party said: "Hey! Bank charges are usurious. Phone plans are completely lop-sided in favour of the vendor. Consumers should be able to re-sell Windows licenses. Chrysler should make a transmission that still functions after only 100,000 fucking kms."
</p><p>..and when was the last time OUR representatives actually did something about it??
</p><p>Don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those sanctimonious Subaru-driving, Jesus-boot wearing tree-huggers - much the opposite. I was brought up on a wild mix of Big tits, V8's, heavy metal, Pimm's #3 and polo matches. I believe strongly in hard work paying off. Wealth creation is a GOOD thing. It's how our society moves forward.
</p><p>What I'm bitching about is that the deals need to be fair. A monopoly should be a license to make money, not print it. Don't pay your cell bill, the telco cuts you off - plain and simple. But, if your call drops, the fucking call should be free! Buy a machine with Vista on it and pay M$ as much as they figure they can charge you. But M$ should be accountable for the terrible software they wrote and give you a refund if you ask for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...If only we could get the douche-pail carriers to standardize their rate 'plans ' so that we could compare apples to apples .
It would feel a smidgen less painful when they jamb yet another ridiculously overpriced contract up our dangerously dilated and sorry asses .
I have been feeling for a long time that the issue is not the vendors or the carriers .
The issue is with our elected representatives .
When was the last time your political party said : " Hey !
Bank charges are usurious .
Phone plans are completely lop-sided in favour of the vendor .
Consumers should be able to re-sell Windows licenses .
Chrysler should make a transmission that still functions after only 100,000 fucking kms .
" ..and when was the last time OUR representatives actually did something about it ? ?
Do n't get me wrong .
I 'm not one of those sanctimonious Subaru-driving , Jesus-boot wearing tree-huggers - much the opposite .
I was brought up on a wild mix of Big tits , V8 's , heavy metal , Pimm 's # 3 and polo matches .
I believe strongly in hard work paying off .
Wealth creation is a GOOD thing .
It 's how our society moves forward .
What I 'm bitching about is that the deals need to be fair .
A monopoly should be a license to make money , not print it .
Do n't pay your cell bill , the telco cuts you off - plain and simple .
But , if your call drops , the fucking call should be free !
Buy a machine with Vista on it and pay M $ as much as they figure they can charge you .
But M $ should be accountable for the terrible software they wrote and give you a refund if you ask for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...If only we could get the douche-pail carriers to standardize their rate 'plans' so that we could compare apples to apples.
It would feel a smidgen less painful when they jamb yet another ridiculously overpriced contract up our dangerously dilated and sorry asses.
I have been feeling for a long time that the issue is not the vendors or the carriers.
The issue is with our elected representatives.
When was the last time your political party said: "Hey!
Bank charges are usurious.
Phone plans are completely lop-sided in favour of the vendor.
Consumers should be able to re-sell Windows licenses.
Chrysler should make a transmission that still functions after only 100,000 fucking kms.
"
..and when was the last time OUR representatives actually did something about it??
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not one of those sanctimonious Subaru-driving, Jesus-boot wearing tree-huggers - much the opposite.
I was brought up on a wild mix of Big tits, V8's, heavy metal, Pimm's #3 and polo matches.
I believe strongly in hard work paying off.
Wealth creation is a GOOD thing.
It's how our society moves forward.
What I'm bitching about is that the deals need to be fair.
A monopoly should be a license to make money, not print it.
Don't pay your cell bill, the telco cuts you off - plain and simple.
But, if your call drops, the fucking call should be free!
Buy a machine with Vista on it and pay M$ as much as they figure they can charge you.
But M$ should be accountable for the terrible software they wrote and give you a refund if you ask for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515559</id>
	<title>Re:Correction</title>
	<author>hansamurai</author>
	<datestamp>1246297200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you buy the accessory once (for dirt cheap because every cable manufacturer will be making them) and you're set.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you buy the accessory once ( for dirt cheap because every cable manufacturer will be making them ) and you 're set .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you buy the accessory once (for dirt cheap because every cable manufacturer will be making them) and you're set.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515353</id>
	<title>RTFA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's Micro USB</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's Micro USB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's Micro USB</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516485</id>
	<title>Horror!</title>
	<author>Kostya</author>
	<datestamp>1246300680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forcing companies to standardize?!?  Will no one think of the innovation?  Who's protecting the innocent innovation from being preyed upon?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forcing companies to standardize ? ! ?
Will no one think of the innovation ?
Who 's protecting the innocent innovation from being preyed upon ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forcing companies to standardize?!?
Will no one think of the innovation?
Who's protecting the innocent innovation from being preyed upon?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517133</id>
	<title>Re:Mini-USB Lockin, there are ways</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246303080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You might be able to modify your Garmin charger to work with the Motorola by <a href="http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/razrv3\_charger\_pinout.shtml" title="pinouts.ru" rel="nofollow">adding a resistor</a> [pinouts.ru].  You could even do the mod in a USB extension cable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You might be able to modify your Garmin charger to work with the Motorola by adding a resistor [ pinouts.ru ] .
You could even do the mod in a USB extension cable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You might be able to modify your Garmin charger to work with the Motorola by adding a resistor [pinouts.ru].
You could even do the mod in a USB extension cable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516143</id>
	<title>Re:Everonmentalism I can agree with</title>
	<author>jhoger</author>
	<datestamp>1246299360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A prius? Value isn't there.  High up-front costs, low performance.  I think not.</p></div><p>Well, maybe the value isn't there for you. But in California, when I bought mine we got carpool (HOV) lane access. That is the main reason I bought the car. It was shaving about a 1/2 hour per weekday off my commute which allowed me to get to night classes on time, and when school was out, I got to spend that 1/2 hour with my family.</p><p>I don't know what the performance thing is about... it's not a drag racer, but it isn't like it's scary to merge into traffic which in Southern California is the important thing. Unless you drive like a jerk, speed is a function of the surrounding traffic, not the car itself. For many people higher gas mileage is a more important measure of performance once the basics like "acceleration to merge" are covered.</p><p>And the car is roomier than one would expect</p><p>But today the calculus would be different and I probably wouldn't buy one, because of no carpool lane stickers.</p></div>
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<tokenext>A prius ?
Value is n't there .
High up-front costs , low performance .
I think not.Well , maybe the value is n't there for you .
But in California , when I bought mine we got carpool ( HOV ) lane access .
That is the main reason I bought the car .
It was shaving about a 1/2 hour per weekday off my commute which allowed me to get to night classes on time , and when school was out , I got to spend that 1/2 hour with my family.I do n't know what the performance thing is about... it 's not a drag racer , but it is n't like it 's scary to merge into traffic which in Southern California is the important thing .
Unless you drive like a jerk , speed is a function of the surrounding traffic , not the car itself .
For many people higher gas mileage is a more important measure of performance once the basics like " acceleration to merge " are covered.And the car is roomier than one would expectBut today the calculus would be different and I probably would n't buy one , because of no carpool lane stickers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A prius?
Value isn't there.
High up-front costs, low performance.
I think not.Well, maybe the value isn't there for you.
But in California, when I bought mine we got carpool (HOV) lane access.
That is the main reason I bought the car.
It was shaving about a 1/2 hour per weekday off my commute which allowed me to get to night classes on time, and when school was out, I got to spend that 1/2 hour with my family.I don't know what the performance thing is about... it's not a drag racer, but it isn't like it's scary to merge into traffic which in Southern California is the important thing.
Unless you drive like a jerk, speed is a function of the surrounding traffic, not the car itself.
For many people higher gas mileage is a more important measure of performance once the basics like "acceleration to merge" are covered.And the car is roomier than one would expectBut today the calculus would be different and I probably wouldn't buy one, because of no carpool lane stickers.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515703</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks EU regulation</title>
	<author>teg</author>
	<datestamp>1246297860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>

A good exemple that sometimes the market is unable to find the most optimal solution and someone has to regulate.
</i> </p><p>
While I agree that some regulation is necessary - among other things to maintain healthy competition and free markets - they didn't actually regulate it. They hinted that they might, so the vendors found a solution themselves instead. A gentle, but firm, push in the right direction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A good exemple that sometimes the market is unable to find the most optimal solution and someone has to regulate .
While I agree that some regulation is necessary - among other things to maintain healthy competition and free markets - they did n't actually regulate it .
They hinted that they might , so the vendors found a solution themselves instead .
A gentle , but firm , push in the right direction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> 

A good exemple that sometimes the market is unable to find the most optimal solution and someone has to regulate.
While I agree that some regulation is necessary - among other things to maintain healthy competition and free markets - they didn't actually regulate it.
They hinted that they might, so the vendors found a solution themselves instead.
A gentle, but firm, push in the right direction.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515689</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks EU regulation</title>
	<author>Tony Hoyle</author>
	<datestamp>1246297740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The market at least in the EU had already pretty much standardised on USB charging.. every non-nokia phone I've had used it.  Nokia of course had to be different, but there's only 2 nokia charging standards and adapters are readily available (and since ~70\% of the phones you see around are Nokias, it's a sort of standard).</p><p>What this does is codify what was already happening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The market at least in the EU had already pretty much standardised on USB charging.. every non-nokia phone I 've had used it .
Nokia of course had to be different , but there 's only 2 nokia charging standards and adapters are readily available ( and since ~ 70 \ % of the phones you see around are Nokias , it 's a sort of standard ) .What this does is codify what was already happening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The market at least in the EU had already pretty much standardised on USB charging.. every non-nokia phone I've had used it.
Nokia of course had to be different, but there's only 2 nokia charging standards and adapters are readily available (and since ~70\% of the phones you see around are Nokias, it's a sort of standard).What this does is codify what was already happening.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515539</id>
	<title>Any traction on this issue in the USA?</title>
	<author>bogaboga</author>
	<datestamp>1246297140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there anything like this in these United States of America? I will not be surprised if there is none.</p><p>Why? Because such a thing would be tantamount to "limiting our freedoms." We do the same thing in the Linux space.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there anything like this in these United States of America ?
I will not be surprised if there is none.Why ?
Because such a thing would be tantamount to " limiting our freedoms .
" We do the same thing in the Linux space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there anything like this in these United States of America?
I will not be surprised if there is none.Why?
Because such a thing would be tantamount to "limiting our freedoms.
" We do the same thing in the Linux space.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515525</id>
	<title>Re:Correction</title>
	<author>oneirophrenos</author>
	<datestamp>1246297020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You mean the manufacturers will be able to make the charger an accessory.</p></div><p>Well, isn't that a good thing? What would be the logic of this agreement if the companies just continued supplying chargers with each phone?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean the manufacturers will be able to make the charger an accessory.Well , is n't that a good thing ?
What would be the logic of this agreement if the companies just continued supplying chargers with each phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean the manufacturers will be able to make the charger an accessory.Well, isn't that a good thing?
What would be the logic of this agreement if the companies just continued supplying chargers with each phone?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516655</id>
	<title>How does this Ensure Compatibility?</title>
	<author>Slashdot Parent</author>
	<datestamp>1246301340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How does this ensure compatibility if the manufacturers don't agree to follow the USB spec?  Having a micro-usb plug doesn't mean anything if the device doesn't follow the spec.</p><p>For instance, the spec says the USB port must provide 500 mA to the device.  But my Palm Pre draws 1000 mA over the micro-USB port.  If memory serves, blackberries draw 850 mA.</p><p>So what good is standardizing only on the plug, when what's going over the wire is nonstandard?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How does this ensure compatibility if the manufacturers do n't agree to follow the USB spec ?
Having a micro-usb plug does n't mean anything if the device does n't follow the spec.For instance , the spec says the USB port must provide 500 mA to the device .
But my Palm Pre draws 1000 mA over the micro-USB port .
If memory serves , blackberries draw 850 mA.So what good is standardizing only on the plug , when what 's going over the wire is nonstandard ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does this ensure compatibility if the manufacturers don't agree to follow the USB spec?
Having a micro-usb plug doesn't mean anything if the device doesn't follow the spec.For instance, the spec says the USB port must provide 500 mA to the device.
But my Palm Pre draws 1000 mA over the micro-USB port.
If memory serves, blackberries draw 850 mA.So what good is standardizing only on the plug, when what's going over the wire is nonstandard?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515561</id>
	<title>Hardly</title>
	<author>ArchieBunker</author>
	<datestamp>1246297200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently you've never seen a place called Ebay. You can get a wall and car charger together for under $10 including shipping.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently you 've never seen a place called Ebay .
You can get a wall and car charger together for under $ 10 including shipping .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently you've never seen a place called Ebay.
You can get a wall and car charger together for under $10 including shipping.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515311</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28517123</id>
	<title>Re:Micro is superior for this use...</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1246303020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And MicroUSB gets the joy of having to double check the orientation of the plug, every time you plug the darn thing in.  It does not "slide right in" as nicely as the standard or Mini USB.  My old phone had one, and it was a pain in the rear.  My new phone has a MiniUSB, and I can plug it in in the dark.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And MicroUSB gets the joy of having to double check the orientation of the plug , every time you plug the darn thing in .
It does not " slide right in " as nicely as the standard or Mini USB .
My old phone had one , and it was a pain in the rear .
My new phone has a MiniUSB , and I can plug it in in the dark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And MicroUSB gets the joy of having to double check the orientation of the plug, every time you plug the darn thing in.
It does not "slide right in" as nicely as the standard or Mini USB.
My old phone had one, and it was a pain in the rear.
My new phone has a MiniUSB, and I can plug it in in the dark.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515305</id>
	<title>Batteries too...</title>
	<author>zebslash</author>
	<datestamp>1246296300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would be nice to have a standard for Li-ion batteries too, from mobile phones to shavers and laptops. This way, it would be easier to recycle and replace batteries, lower costs and remove vendor-specific locks. I like alkaline batteries: around 4-5 different formats to power most of our stuff. With Li-ion, we have gained in power and time, but lost in flexibility. Is that so difficult to implement ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be nice to have a standard for Li-ion batteries too , from mobile phones to shavers and laptops .
This way , it would be easier to recycle and replace batteries , lower costs and remove vendor-specific locks .
I like alkaline batteries : around 4-5 different formats to power most of our stuff .
With Li-ion , we have gained in power and time , but lost in flexibility .
Is that so difficult to implement ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be nice to have a standard for Li-ion batteries too, from mobile phones to shavers and laptops.
This way, it would be easier to recycle and replace batteries, lower costs and remove vendor-specific locks.
I like alkaline batteries: around 4-5 different formats to power most of our stuff.
With Li-ion, we have gained in power and time, but lost in flexibility.
Is that so difficult to implement ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515263</id>
	<title>How about the damn US?</title>
	<author>furby076</author>
	<datestamp>1246296120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well this may carry over as a convenience to the US but I doubt it.(why have two plants making two different types of chargers when you can have one plant making one charger type).  That why is Verizon &amp; AT&amp;T. They love locking people in, and since there are so many service carriers they do so with products (iPhone for one).<br> <br>

Hopefully this will spread - but I doubt it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well this may carry over as a convenience to the US but I doubt it .
( why have two plants making two different types of chargers when you can have one plant making one charger type ) .
That why is Verizon &amp; AT&amp;T .
They love locking people in , and since there are so many service carriers they do so with products ( iPhone for one ) .
Hopefully this will spread - but I doubt it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well this may carry over as a convenience to the US but I doubt it.
(why have two plants making two different types of chargers when you can have one plant making one charger type).
That why is Verizon &amp; AT&amp;T.
They love locking people in, and since there are so many service carriers they do so with products (iPhone for one).
Hopefully this will spread - but I doubt it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28518995</id>
	<title>Re:Everonmentalism I can agree with</title>
	<author>Vegeta99</author>
	<datestamp>1246267200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's your karma, buddy? I've never had to wait more than two minutes!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's your karma , buddy ?
I 've never had to wait more than two minutes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's your karma, buddy?
I've never had to wait more than two minutes!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516033</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515497</id>
	<title>My Favorite Part...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..is how even if it's a standard plug (mini or micro USB) they tweek the phone so it won't accept a standard USB cable rather you get the "Unauthorized Charger" message.  Good for the EU...  I wish the US consumer protection agencies would step up on issues like this that would make a difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..is how even if it 's a standard plug ( mini or micro USB ) they tweek the phone so it wo n't accept a standard USB cable rather you get the " Unauthorized Charger " message .
Good for the EU... I wish the US consumer protection agencies would step up on issues like this that would make a difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..is how even if it's a standard plug (mini or micro USB) they tweek the phone so it won't accept a standard USB cable rather you get the "Unauthorized Charger" message.
Good for the EU...  I wish the US consumer protection agencies would step up on issues like this that would make a difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515309</id>
	<title>Re:So what's it gonna be?</title>
	<author>furby076</author>
	<datestamp>1246296300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe instead of just trying to get a first post in you read the damn article.<p><div class="quote"><p>The Commission said the agreement would involve the creation of an EU norm, and that the new generation of mobile phones would use a standard micro-USB socket to ensure compatibility.</p></div><p>4th paragraph</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe instead of just trying to get a first post in you read the damn article.The Commission said the agreement would involve the creation of an EU norm , and that the new generation of mobile phones would use a standard micro-USB socket to ensure compatibility.4th paragraph</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe instead of just trying to get a first post in you read the damn article.The Commission said the agreement would involve the creation of an EU norm, and that the new generation of mobile phones would use a standard micro-USB socket to ensure compatibility.4th paragraph
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28515595</id>
	<title>Re:Good, I guess...</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1246297320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do people really throw away their old chargers?</p></div><p>I would suspect that if you're buying a new phone, old accessories tend to share the same fate as the phone.  If you're throwing away the phone, you generally throw away the chargers, too.  And why not?  The new phone will come with a new charger.  The only real exception I can see is if your new phone has the same charger and you want a second charger-- but then again, if you really need a second charger, you may have already bought a second charger for your old phone, still leaving you with an extra.
</p><p>And so this is where the standardization comes into play: new phones won't be packaged with their own chargers.  It will be an optional add-on, since the manufacturer can assume that you probably have an appropriate charger already.  And even if you don't, it will be easy enough to find one.  Because all phones will charge using the same port, compatible chargers will be sold everywhere.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do people really throw away their old chargers ? I would suspect that if you 're buying a new phone , old accessories tend to share the same fate as the phone .
If you 're throwing away the phone , you generally throw away the chargers , too .
And why not ?
The new phone will come with a new charger .
The only real exception I can see is if your new phone has the same charger and you want a second charger-- but then again , if you really need a second charger , you may have already bought a second charger for your old phone , still leaving you with an extra .
And so this is where the standardization comes into play : new phones wo n't be packaged with their own chargers .
It will be an optional add-on , since the manufacturer can assume that you probably have an appropriate charger already .
And even if you do n't , it will be easy enough to find one .
Because all phones will charge using the same port , compatible chargers will be sold everywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do people really throw away their old chargers?I would suspect that if you're buying a new phone, old accessories tend to share the same fate as the phone.
If you're throwing away the phone, you generally throw away the chargers, too.
And why not?
The new phone will come with a new charger.
The only real exception I can see is if your new phone has the same charger and you want a second charger-- but then again, if you really need a second charger, you may have already bought a second charger for your old phone, still leaving you with an extra.
And so this is where the standardization comes into play: new phones won't be packaged with their own chargers.
It will be an optional add-on, since the manufacturer can assume that you probably have an appropriate charger already.
And even if you don't, it will be easy enough to find one.
Because all phones will charge using the same port, compatible chargers will be sold everywhere.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28516227</id>
	<title>Induction chargers</title>
	<author>gilesjuk</author>
	<datestamp>1246299780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Induction chargers are the solution, you don't need any sockets.</p><p>Plus you can just place multiple items on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Induction chargers are the solution , you do n't need any sockets.Plus you can just place multiple items on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Induction chargers are the solution, you don't need any sockets.Plus you can just place multiple items on it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1441209.28587741</id>
	<title>Re:Thanks EU regulation</title>
	<author>Lamieur</author>
	<datestamp>1246824360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A good exemple that sometimes the market is unable to find the most optimal solution and someone has to regulate.</p></div><p>Actually, if there were no patents, free market would produce a standard by this time. Smaller manufacturers would make their devices compatible with chargers that people already have, from big companies, most probably Nokia.</p><p>But in reality, noone is permitted to use the same connector because they'd have lawyers on their back. So the tiny players started to use standard mini-USB, because they aren't in business of selling chargers.</p><p>Take patents aside and see the market work. Until then, your mention of market being unable to do things is true. But reacting with regulation is hiding, not resolving the main problem.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A good exemple that sometimes the market is unable to find the most optimal solution and someone has to regulate.Actually , if there were no patents , free market would produce a standard by this time .
Smaller manufacturers would make their devices compatible with chargers that people already have , from big companies , most probably Nokia.But in reality , noone is permitted to use the same connector because they 'd have lawyers on their back .
So the tiny players started to use standard mini-USB , because they are n't in business of selling chargers.Take patents aside and see the market work .
Until then , your mention of market being unable to do things is true .
But reacting with regulation is hiding , not resolving the main problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A good exemple that sometimes the market is unable to find the most optimal solution and someone has to regulate.Actually, if there were no patents, free market would produce a standard by this time.
Smaller manufacturers would make their devices compatible with chargers that people already have, from big companies, most probably Nokia.But in reality, noone is permitted to use the same connector because they'd have lawyers on their back.
So the tiny players started to use standard mini-USB, because they aren't in business of selling chargers.Take patents aside and see the market work.
Until then, your mention of market being unable to do things is true.
But reacting with regulation is hiding, not resolving the main problem.
	</sentencetext>
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