<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_29_1343225</id>
	<title>Ad Networks the Laggards In Jackson Traffic Spike</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1246287720000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/" rel="nofollow">miller60</a> writes <i>"Advertising networks are being cited as the <a href="http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/06/29/keynote-ad-networks-failed-not-news-sites/">major bottlenecks</a> in performance woes experienced by major news sites during the <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/26/1221214/News-Sites-Slammed-By-Michael-Jackson-Traffic">crush of Internet traffic</a> Thursday as news broke about the death of pop star Michael Jackson. An analysis by Keynote found that many news sites delivered their own content promptly, only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads. The inclusion of third-party content on high-traffic pages is a growing challenge for site operators. It's not just ads, as social media widgets are also seeing wider usage on commercial sites. How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>miller60 writes " Advertising networks are being cited as the major bottlenecks in performance woes experienced by major news sites during the crush of Internet traffic Thursday as news broke about the death of pop star Michael Jackson .
An analysis by Keynote found that many news sites delivered their own content promptly , only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads .
The inclusion of third-party content on high-traffic pages is a growing challenge for site operators .
It 's not just ads , as social media widgets are also seeing wider usage on commercial sites .
How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs ?
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<sentencetext>miller60 writes "Advertising networks are being cited as the major bottlenecks in performance woes experienced by major news sites during the crush of Internet traffic Thursday as news broke about the death of pop star Michael Jackson.
An analysis by Keynote found that many news sites delivered their own content promptly, only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads.
The inclusion of third-party content on high-traffic pages is a growing challenge for site operators.
It's not just ads, as social media widgets are also seeing wider usage on commercial sites.
How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514419</id>
	<title>I suppose the opposite motivation exists but ...</title>
	<author>Jumperalex</author>
	<datestamp>1246292340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it would seem easy enough with correct site coding / browser tabs [I admit to NOT being an html / css expert] to force the ads to load last so that at least the content loads regardless of the ads being slow / non-responsive.  Of course the advertisers would rather be first so they get your eyeballs before all that uber-distracting content<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-\</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it would seem easy enough with correct site coding / browser tabs [ I admit to NOT being an html / css expert ] to force the ads to load last so that at least the content loads regardless of the ads being slow / non-responsive .
Of course the advertisers would rather be first so they get your eyeballs before all that uber-distracting content : - \</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it would seem easy enough with correct site coding / browser tabs [I admit to NOT being an html / css expert] to force the ads to load last so that at least the content loads regardless of the ads being slow / non-responsive.
Of course the advertisers would rather be first so they get your eyeballs before all that uber-distracting content :-\</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516209</id>
	<title>Re:Mashups in general</title>
	<author>thesolo</author>
	<datestamp>1246299660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First thing I did with NoScript was block google analytics.  They're on about 99\% of the sites that I visit on a daily basis, and I'm really not comfortable with them tracking me from site to site like that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First thing I did with NoScript was block google analytics .
They 're on about 99 \ % of the sites that I visit on a daily basis , and I 'm really not comfortable with them tracking me from site to site like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First thing I did with NoScript was block google analytics.
They're on about 99\% of the sites that I visit on a daily basis, and I'm really not comfortable with them tracking me from site to site like that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514429</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515715</id>
	<title>I suggest using iframes</title>
	<author>martin\_dk</author>
	<datestamp>1246297860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When writing your HTML, just put your ads in iframes. Each iframe loads an ad, and your site always loads fast regardsless of lazy adservers. On top you get the ads seperated from your content from a domaine or DOM point of view. </p><ul>
<li>Your site:  www.mydomain.com </li><li>Your serverside ad script is the source of the iframe: www.ads.mydomain.com?adId=123 </li><li>The adscript serves whatever kind of ad-technology ie.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.swf/.js/.jpg/...</li>
</ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>When writing your HTML , just put your ads in iframes .
Each iframe loads an ad , and your site always loads fast regardsless of lazy adservers .
On top you get the ads seperated from your content from a domaine or DOM point of view .
Your site : www.mydomain.com Your serverside ad script is the source of the iframe : www.ads.mydomain.com ? adId = 123 The adscript serves whatever kind of ad-technology ie .
.swf/.js/.jpg/.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When writing your HTML, just put your ads in iframes.
Each iframe loads an ad, and your site always loads fast regardsless of lazy adservers.
On top you get the ads seperated from your content from a domaine or DOM point of view.
Your site:  www.mydomain.com Your serverside ad script is the source of the iframe: www.ads.mydomain.com?adId=123 The adscript serves whatever kind of ad-technology ie.
.swf/.js/.jpg/...
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515033</id>
	<title>The how and why</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246295040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>first of all let me pretext all this with the fact I have been working in online advertising for about 5 years for a caouple of major publishers and now an agency side adserving company. The industry as a whole has a glut of technical knowledge and is mostly sales driven. Calls to adservers usually use a call to an external javascript file which is dynamically generated by the adserver. When this call is made it passes along some variables to let the adserver know how that position is targeted. At this time some tracking also happens, so the system will count an impression against a certain ad. For this reason caching can't be done - the system has to record and decide which ad to return on the fly to make sure delivery is correct and possibly even do some optimizations around which ad to show. Think of it as a giant decision engine which also collects data and uses that to decide what to serve next. There is another way to call in an ad, and that is to use Iframes, unfortunately these will point at a different domain so it isn't possible to resize or do anything outside the box, unless the ad being served is a rich media provider who are allowed to have another little html page on the site's domain they can call up and then use to write back to the main page. Because of all the different types of javascript that can be served back depending on the company providing the ad, the ad has to be put in place if using javascript as it will often look at where in the DOM the script is called. There are too many providers doing different things, and the only way to make things work is to call it straight in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>first of all let me pretext all this with the fact I have been working in online advertising for about 5 years for a caouple of major publishers and now an agency side adserving company .
The industry as a whole has a glut of technical knowledge and is mostly sales driven .
Calls to adservers usually use a call to an external javascript file which is dynamically generated by the adserver .
When this call is made it passes along some variables to let the adserver know how that position is targeted .
At this time some tracking also happens , so the system will count an impression against a certain ad .
For this reason caching ca n't be done - the system has to record and decide which ad to return on the fly to make sure delivery is correct and possibly even do some optimizations around which ad to show .
Think of it as a giant decision engine which also collects data and uses that to decide what to serve next .
There is another way to call in an ad , and that is to use Iframes , unfortunately these will point at a different domain so it is n't possible to resize or do anything outside the box , unless the ad being served is a rich media provider who are allowed to have another little html page on the site 's domain they can call up and then use to write back to the main page .
Because of all the different types of javascript that can be served back depending on the company providing the ad , the ad has to be put in place if using javascript as it will often look at where in the DOM the script is called .
There are too many providers doing different things , and the only way to make things work is to call it straight in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first of all let me pretext all this with the fact I have been working in online advertising for about 5 years for a caouple of major publishers and now an agency side adserving company.
The industry as a whole has a glut of technical knowledge and is mostly sales driven.
Calls to adservers usually use a call to an external javascript file which is dynamically generated by the adserver.
When this call is made it passes along some variables to let the adserver know how that position is targeted.
At this time some tracking also happens, so the system will count an impression against a certain ad.
For this reason caching can't be done - the system has to record and decide which ad to return on the fly to make sure delivery is correct and possibly even do some optimizations around which ad to show.
Think of it as a giant decision engine which also collects data and uses that to decide what to serve next.
There is another way to call in an ad, and that is to use Iframes, unfortunately these will point at a different domain so it isn't possible to resize or do anything outside the box, unless the ad being served is a rich media provider who are allowed to have another little html page on the site's domain they can call up and then use to write back to the main page.
Because of all the different types of javascript that can be served back depending on the company providing the ad, the ad has to be put in place if using javascript as it will often look at where in the DOM the script is called.
There are too many providers doing different things, and the only way to make things work is to call it straight in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514753</id>
	<title>Re:Load the ads last</title>
	<author>NudeAvenger</author>
	<datestamp>1246293660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>actually it is difficult. The ads that get served to a page are usually more complex than the content on the page - they can call in javascripts that call in more javascripts that put iframes within iframes to expand on domains etc etc etc. If the ads wree all the same format then it would be a cinch to load up the ads at the end, but unfortunately due to ads being served through other providers that use a richer set of javascript it can't be done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>actually it is difficult .
The ads that get served to a page are usually more complex than the content on the page - they can call in javascripts that call in more javascripts that put iframes within iframes to expand on domains etc etc etc .
If the ads wree all the same format then it would be a cinch to load up the ads at the end , but unfortunately due to ads being served through other providers that use a richer set of javascript it ca n't be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually it is difficult.
The ads that get served to a page are usually more complex than the content on the page - they can call in javascripts that call in more javascripts that put iframes within iframes to expand on domains etc etc etc.
If the ads wree all the same format then it would be a cinch to load up the ads at the end, but unfortunately due to ads being served through other providers that use a richer set of javascript it can't be done.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514457</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514781</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise</title>
	<author>Relic of the Future</author>
	<datestamp>1246293780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>set content from other domains to be on a shorter timeout.</p></div></blockquote><p>Or the site designers could, you know, write the page so that it'll still display the content correctly while the off-site content is loading.  Actually, that should be the case for even the on-site content.  Isn't that that whole point of "height" and "width" attributes?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>set content from other domains to be on a shorter timeout.Or the site designers could , you know , write the page so that it 'll still display the content correctly while the off-site content is loading .
Actually , that should be the case for even the on-site content .
Is n't that that whole point of " height " and " width " attributes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>set content from other domains to be on a shorter timeout.Or the site designers could, you know, write the page so that it'll still display the content correctly while the off-site content is loading.
Actually, that should be the case for even the on-site content.
Isn't that that whole point of "height" and "width" attributes?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514263</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28526161</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246363620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And if anyone is wondering why I'm running an HTTP server just for this it's because serving the 404 kills the request much quicker than letting the browser timeout the connection.</p></div><p>This really makes no sense at all. Obviously you're not filtering TCP port 80 on localhost if you have the web server working. But you do realize that if you don't filter port 80 and there is no process servicing (no sockets bound) it, the port is closed in the TCP stack in the kernel and therefore the kernel will refuse the connection. The browser shouldn't have to timeout for anything, numbnuts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And if anyone is wondering why I 'm running an HTTP server just for this it 's because serving the 404 kills the request much quicker than letting the browser timeout the connection.This really makes no sense at all .
Obviously you 're not filtering TCP port 80 on localhost if you have the web server working .
But you do realize that if you do n't filter port 80 and there is no process servicing ( no sockets bound ) it , the port is closed in the TCP stack in the kernel and therefore the kernel will refuse the connection .
The browser should n't have to timeout for anything , numbnuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if anyone is wondering why I'm running an HTTP server just for this it's because serving the 404 kills the request much quicker than letting the browser timeout the connection.This really makes no sense at all.
Obviously you're not filtering TCP port 80 on localhost if you have the web server working.
But you do realize that if you don't filter port 80 and there is no process servicing (no sockets bound) it, the port is closed in the TCP stack in the kernel and therefore the kernel will refuse the connection.
The browser shouldn't have to timeout for anything, numbnuts.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516319</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514315</id>
	<title>Without those ads, it would be worse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246291800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Without those ads, there would not be the high number of news sites available for viewing breaking news stories that can drive this Jacko level of interest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without those ads , there would not be the high number of news sites available for viewing breaking news stories that can drive this Jacko level of interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without those ads, there would not be the high number of news sites available for viewing breaking news stories that can drive this Jacko level of interest.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28517331</id>
	<title>The Thriller Zombie Attack Strikes Again</title>
	<author>itsybitsy</author>
	<datestamp>1246303860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://pathstoknowledge.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/michael-joins-the-zombies-in-a-case-of-life-imitating-art/" title="wordpress.com">The Thriller Zombie Attack Strikes Yet Again</a> [wordpress.com] in it's myriad of ways infecting the population with an insatiable desire to consume Michael Jackson content. Some think that this phenomenon is because no one truly had a happy childhood and others speculate it's because most people just haven't become adults yet. Either way or yet another way it doesn't matter... this could be the last time the wave of The Thriller Zombie Attacks occur and for that many of us will be grateful. Although we need to be prepared for yet another wave as soon as the test results from The Thriller Zombie corpse inspection(s) have been released. And woe be to the world if foul play occurred. Well some do consider that "foul play" did occur and were paid off handsomely (sorry for the choice of that word). In any event is this the last time we'll see The Thriller Zombie Attack or will it strike again? <a href="http://pathstoknowledge.wordpress.com/category/zombies/" title="wordpress.com">Enquirering minds want to know more?</a> [wordpress.com] Well then <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyfcOriVKBM" title="youtube.com">Just Eat It!</a> [youtube.com]. Thank you Al.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Thriller Zombie Attack Strikes Yet Again [ wordpress.com ] in it 's myriad of ways infecting the population with an insatiable desire to consume Michael Jackson content .
Some think that this phenomenon is because no one truly had a happy childhood and others speculate it 's because most people just have n't become adults yet .
Either way or yet another way it does n't matter... this could be the last time the wave of The Thriller Zombie Attacks occur and for that many of us will be grateful .
Although we need to be prepared for yet another wave as soon as the test results from The Thriller Zombie corpse inspection ( s ) have been released .
And woe be to the world if foul play occurred .
Well some do consider that " foul play " did occur and were paid off handsomely ( sorry for the choice of that word ) .
In any event is this the last time we 'll see The Thriller Zombie Attack or will it strike again ?
Enquirering minds want to know more ?
[ wordpress.com ] Well then Just Eat It !
[ youtube.com ] . Thank you Al .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Thriller Zombie Attack Strikes Yet Again [wordpress.com] in it's myriad of ways infecting the population with an insatiable desire to consume Michael Jackson content.
Some think that this phenomenon is because no one truly had a happy childhood and others speculate it's because most people just haven't become adults yet.
Either way or yet another way it doesn't matter... this could be the last time the wave of The Thriller Zombie Attacks occur and for that many of us will be grateful.
Although we need to be prepared for yet another wave as soon as the test results from The Thriller Zombie corpse inspection(s) have been released.
And woe be to the world if foul play occurred.
Well some do consider that "foul play" did occur and were paid off handsomely (sorry for the choice of that word).
In any event is this the last time we'll see The Thriller Zombie Attack or will it strike again?
Enquirering minds want to know more?
[wordpress.com] Well then Just Eat It!
[youtube.com]. Thank you Al.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28518099</id>
	<title>Not surprising</title>
	<author>Brianwa</author>
	<datestamp>1246306860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ads have always been a bottleneck.  I first started using an ad blocker years ago because of this.  Slashdot used to be one of the worst offenders; none of the content would display until after the ads had loaded.  Sometimes the ad hosts would stop responding and you'd be left with a mostly blank page.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ads have always been a bottleneck .
I first started using an ad blocker years ago because of this .
Slashdot used to be one of the worst offenders ; none of the content would display until after the ads had loaded .
Sometimes the ad hosts would stop responding and you 'd be left with a mostly blank page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ads have always been a bottleneck.
I first started using an ad blocker years ago because of this.
Slashdot used to be one of the worst offenders; none of the content would display until after the ads had loaded.
Sometimes the ad hosts would stop responding and you'd be left with a mostly blank page.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514305</id>
	<title>Not only during the MJ-news breaking...</title>
	<author>anomnomnomymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246291800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can see how the ads would be the bottleneck in serving a site... if not only because it's the same case for users with most sites on normal days too.<br>
Very often I'm stuck waiting for the ads to load, before the actual site shows up on computers where I don't have the luxury of an adblocker; And even with an adblocker I sometimes see my computer still using some resources to get the ads down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see how the ads would be the bottleneck in serving a site... if not only because it 's the same case for users with most sites on normal days too .
Very often I 'm stuck waiting for the ads to load , before the actual site shows up on computers where I do n't have the luxury of an adblocker ; And even with an adblocker I sometimes see my computer still using some resources to get the ads down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see how the ads would be the bottleneck in serving a site... if not only because it's the same case for users with most sites on normal days too.
Very often I'm stuck waiting for the ads to load, before the actual site shows up on computers where I don't have the luxury of an adblocker; And even with an adblocker I sometimes see my computer still using some resources to get the ads down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28517561</id>
	<title>Re:Google and Slashdot handle it well</title>
	<author>rhizome</author>
	<datestamp>1246304640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Google and Slashdot handle it well</i></p><p>Then why, multiple times a day, do I have to hit ESC when there's a delay in loading whatever whoozit from "clients1.google.com." Don't tell me you've never seen that hostname in your status bar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google and Slashdot handle it wellThen why , multiple times a day , do I have to hit ESC when there 's a delay in loading whatever whoozit from " clients1.google.com .
" Do n't tell me you 've never seen that hostname in your status bar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google and Slashdot handle it wellThen why, multiple times a day, do I have to hit ESC when there's a delay in loading whatever whoozit from "clients1.google.com.
" Don't tell me you've never seen that hostname in your status bar.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514385</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28518179</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1246307220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope. We will just block comments like yours, that complain without adding anything to the story. ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope .
We will just block comments like yours , that complain without adding anything to the story .
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope.
We will just block comments like yours, that complain without adding anything to the story.
^^</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516111</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28519911</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>SuperQ</author>
	<datestamp>1246270260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you need a server unless you have broken firewall rules.  Your localhost should simply return TCP reset, which is much faster than having to actually service a page request.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you need a server unless you have broken firewall rules .
Your localhost should simply return TCP reset , which is much faster than having to actually service a page request .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you need a server unless you have broken firewall rules.
Your localhost should simply return TCP reset, which is much faster than having to actually service a page request.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516319</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515185</id>
	<title>Re:Where's the Billy Mays traffic spike?!</title>
	<author>Spatial</author>
	<datestamp>1246295760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yup... My guess is that he died from <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY2rD322UR4" title="youtube.com">injuries sustained in inter-salesman combat.</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup... My guess is that he died from injuries sustained in inter-salesman combat .
[ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup... My guess is that he died from injuries sustained in inter-salesman combat.
[youtube.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514293</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514261</id>
	<title>Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246291500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can't say that I noticed any of slowdown on Friday. All of the content continued to stream from my custom ad server (127.0.0.1) at exactly the same speed as usual...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't say that I noticed any of slowdown on Friday .
All of the content continued to stream from my custom ad server ( 127.0.0.1 ) at exactly the same speed as usual.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't say that I noticed any of slowdown on Friday.
All of the content continued to stream from my custom ad server (127.0.0.1) at exactly the same speed as usual...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515199</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246295880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This jackfuck should be moderated "Redundant" for signing his dumb post.  Yeah, RYAN, we figured out your name based on the username that is ALREADY ABOVE YOUR POST.</p><p>Go eat Richard "Bathroom Stall Fellater" Stallman's fecal matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This jackfuck should be moderated " Redundant " for signing his dumb post .
Yeah , RYAN , we figured out your name based on the username that is ALREADY ABOVE YOUR POST.Go eat Richard " Bathroom Stall Fellater " Stallman 's fecal matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This jackfuck should be moderated "Redundant" for signing his dumb post.
Yeah, RYAN, we figured out your name based on the username that is ALREADY ABOVE YOUR POST.Go eat Richard "Bathroom Stall Fellater" Stallman's fecal matter.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514273</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514275</id>
	<title>No Ads..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246291620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...no slow down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...no slow down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...no slow down.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514865</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1246294200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good point.</p><p>Yes, a browser should schedule the download of additional content, and it should give priority to same domain, next to different subdomains of same domain (e.g. "images.mysite.com") and last to other domains.</p><p>Of course, if that were the standard, the ad people would come up with something to defeat it. See, these are the people who are actively working on giving you content that you don't want, and they consider it important to bypass all your filters, to make sure you've seen their ads. Because you don't count, only our pageview or clickthrough does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good point.Yes , a browser should schedule the download of additional content , and it should give priority to same domain , next to different subdomains of same domain ( e.g .
" images.mysite.com " ) and last to other domains.Of course , if that were the standard , the ad people would come up with something to defeat it .
See , these are the people who are actively working on giving you content that you do n't want , and they consider it important to bypass all your filters , to make sure you 've seen their ads .
Because you do n't count , only our pageview or clickthrough does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good point.Yes, a browser should schedule the download of additional content, and it should give priority to same domain, next to different subdomains of same domain (e.g.
"images.mysite.com") and last to other domains.Of course, if that were the standard, the ad people would come up with something to defeat it.
See, these are the people who are actively working on giving you content that you don't want, and they consider it important to bypass all your filters, to make sure you've seen their ads.
Because you don't count, only our pageview or clickthrough does.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514263</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515993</id>
	<title>Get some balls</title>
	<author>Kaboom13</author>
	<datestamp>1246298760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is an easy solution to this problem.  Take advertising back into your own hands.  Don't sign up for some stupid ad network to shovel punch the monkey ads all your site.  Forming a relationship with companies your viewers are actually interested in will deliver better results for the advertisers and for your visitors.  Don't let them cover your page in huge javascript overlays and other nonsense, doing so shows they don't respect your content or your visitors.  Yes, it takes more work, but the end result is better and more profitable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is an easy solution to this problem .
Take advertising back into your own hands .
Do n't sign up for some stupid ad network to shovel punch the monkey ads all your site .
Forming a relationship with companies your viewers are actually interested in will deliver better results for the advertisers and for your visitors .
Do n't let them cover your page in huge javascript overlays and other nonsense , doing so shows they do n't respect your content or your visitors .
Yes , it takes more work , but the end result is better and more profitable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is an easy solution to this problem.
Take advertising back into your own hands.
Don't sign up for some stupid ad network to shovel punch the monkey ads all your site.
Forming a relationship with companies your viewers are actually interested in will deliver better results for the advertisers and for your visitors.
Don't let them cover your page in huge javascript overlays and other nonsense, doing so shows they don't respect your content or your visitors.
Yes, it takes more work, but the end result is better and more profitable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28517391</id>
	<title>Well...</title>
	<author>Nekomusume</author>
	<datestamp>1246304100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can start by killing off flash ads. They are a pox on the face of the internet. Seriously.</p><p>Ads should never take up more bandwidth, screen real-estate or other resources than a site's actual content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can start by killing off flash ads .
They are a pox on the face of the internet .
Seriously.Ads should never take up more bandwidth , screen real-estate or other resources than a site 's actual content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can start by killing off flash ads.
They are a pox on the face of the internet.
Seriously.Ads should never take up more bandwidth, screen real-estate or other resources than a site's actual content.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514557</id>
	<title>this is precisely why</title>
	<author>nimbius</author>
	<datestamp>1246292880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i keep slashdot bookmarked and in my RSS feed list.  critical and up to the minute information on content load times and ping response times related to michael jackson content on the web is crucial for system administrators tuning and building the next dimension of web 2.0 applications and cloud services.  these services, which have also in the past been dutifully covered by slashdot as well as service oriented architectures and grid computing, will continue to have a profound impact on the ways users and netizens alike gather important michael jackson death information in the times to come.  <br> <br> the content workaround to employ adblock is a brilliant first step to ensuring those in the meat-world are updated constantly through twitter, boingboing, facebook, and myspace via their iphone and android phone as to the ever changing and dynamic status of Michael Jacksons inanimate plastic corpse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i keep slashdot bookmarked and in my RSS feed list .
critical and up to the minute information on content load times and ping response times related to michael jackson content on the web is crucial for system administrators tuning and building the next dimension of web 2.0 applications and cloud services .
these services , which have also in the past been dutifully covered by slashdot as well as service oriented architectures and grid computing , will continue to have a profound impact on the ways users and netizens alike gather important michael jackson death information in the times to come .
the content workaround to employ adblock is a brilliant first step to ensuring those in the meat-world are updated constantly through twitter , boingboing , facebook , and myspace via their iphone and android phone as to the ever changing and dynamic status of Michael Jacksons inanimate plastic corpse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i keep slashdot bookmarked and in my RSS feed list.
critical and up to the minute information on content load times and ping response times related to michael jackson content on the web is crucial for system administrators tuning and building the next dimension of web 2.0 applications and cloud services.
these services, which have also in the past been dutifully covered by slashdot as well as service oriented architectures and grid computing, will continue to have a profound impact on the ways users and netizens alike gather important michael jackson death information in the times to come.
the content workaround to employ adblock is a brilliant first step to ensuring those in the meat-world are updated constantly through twitter, boingboing, facebook, and myspace via their iphone and android phone as to the ever changing and dynamic status of Michael Jacksons inanimate plastic corpse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516285</id>
	<title>Re:Without those ads, it would be worse</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1246299960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I reject your idea that 'ads are necessary'.</p><p>you are stuck in the current way of (broken) thinking.</p><p>get out of this 'info must be free/beer' mentality.</p><p>people HAVE paid for things and will continue to do so.</p><p>people will go out of their way to AVOID ads.  there's a gas station near me that has lcd monitors and they pump (heh) ads AT YOU while you are filling up the car.  I never go there anymore and the few times I did, I started the pump, got RIGHT in my car and turned the stereo up to block them out.  its annoying and rude and I won't stand for it.</p><p>micropayments are one method.</p><p>'but they are too expensive'.</p><p>ok, so blame THEM, then; not the users or the 'need' for ads.</p><p>solve the payment problem and I'll happily kick in a penny for each time I see your 'valuable' (cough) content.</p><p>ads are sickening and you should be ASHAMED of what you do for a living if you are an adman.</p><p>that includes ALL of google, btw.  all of google is just sugar coated advertising.  and the google search is so ruined by commercialism that the first 2 or 3 pages are USELESS JUNK.</p><p>tell me again how advertising is useful to anyone but business pukes, who can't earn an honest living any other way?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I reject your idea that 'ads are necessary'.you are stuck in the current way of ( broken ) thinking.get out of this 'info must be free/beer ' mentality.people HAVE paid for things and will continue to do so.people will go out of their way to AVOID ads .
there 's a gas station near me that has lcd monitors and they pump ( heh ) ads AT YOU while you are filling up the car .
I never go there anymore and the few times I did , I started the pump , got RIGHT in my car and turned the stereo up to block them out .
its annoying and rude and I wo n't stand for it.micropayments are one method .
'but they are too expensive'.ok , so blame THEM , then ; not the users or the 'need ' for ads.solve the payment problem and I 'll happily kick in a penny for each time I see your 'valuable ' ( cough ) content.ads are sickening and you should be ASHAMED of what you do for a living if you are an adman.that includes ALL of google , btw .
all of google is just sugar coated advertising .
and the google search is so ruined by commercialism that the first 2 or 3 pages are USELESS JUNK.tell me again how advertising is useful to anyone but business pukes , who ca n't earn an honest living any other way ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I reject your idea that 'ads are necessary'.you are stuck in the current way of (broken) thinking.get out of this 'info must be free/beer' mentality.people HAVE paid for things and will continue to do so.people will go out of their way to AVOID ads.
there's a gas station near me that has lcd monitors and they pump (heh) ads AT YOU while you are filling up the car.
I never go there anymore and the few times I did, I started the pump, got RIGHT in my car and turned the stereo up to block them out.
its annoying and rude and I won't stand for it.micropayments are one method.
'but they are too expensive'.ok, so blame THEM, then; not the users or the 'need' for ads.solve the payment problem and I'll happily kick in a penny for each time I see your 'valuable' (cough) content.ads are sickening and you should be ASHAMED of what you do for a living if you are an adman.that includes ALL of google, btw.
all of google is just sugar coated advertising.
and the google search is so ruined by commercialism that the first 2 or 3 pages are USELESS JUNK.tell me again how advertising is useful to anyone but business pukes, who can't earn an honest living any other way?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514315</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516067</id>
	<title>They could...</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1246299000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being a programmer, I have often dealt with these pesky little ads...the best thing they could ever do, is have a separate tag, that allows to set a timeout length of time for the ads to load, else they just bounce back not available. This would shorten the loading time of many windows, and could be a usable configuration flag set by the user of a browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being a programmer , I have often dealt with these pesky little ads...the best thing they could ever do , is have a separate tag , that allows to set a timeout length of time for the ads to load , else they just bounce back not available .
This would shorten the loading time of many windows , and could be a usable configuration flag set by the user of a browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being a programmer, I have often dealt with these pesky little ads...the best thing they could ever do, is have a separate tag, that allows to set a timeout length of time for the ads to load, else they just bounce back not available.
This would shorten the loading time of many windows, and could be a usable configuration flag set by the user of a browser.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514855</id>
	<title>Re:Without those ads, it would be worse</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1246294140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is true, but successful advertising tends to enhance the experience of the media they support.  How many of us would listen to the radio of watch TV if the ads were just 30 seconds of monotonous droning, or if the ads interrupted the expected flow of content.  For instance, if the ads were placed mid sentence instead of act breaks?  How many of us would read magazines if there was a paragraph of text on each page, and the rest were ads.  In sophisticated media, there is some experience in what works and what does not.  The web is a free for all, unlike radio there was never even a hint of over arching philosophy or ethics for advertising, so we end up many pages that are just adverts.
<p>
I think much of the issues of ads is that they do tend to ill integrated on the page and do not enhance the viewing experience.  One issue is that a page may have to link with many domains, each involving multiple requests, and often the page will not render until all ads are loaded.  This is fair, but, again, does mature media expect to be successful if they serve lame ads?  Ads support content in a number of ways, but must not conflict with the content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is true , but successful advertising tends to enhance the experience of the media they support .
How many of us would listen to the radio of watch TV if the ads were just 30 seconds of monotonous droning , or if the ads interrupted the expected flow of content .
For instance , if the ads were placed mid sentence instead of act breaks ?
How many of us would read magazines if there was a paragraph of text on each page , and the rest were ads .
In sophisticated media , there is some experience in what works and what does not .
The web is a free for all , unlike radio there was never even a hint of over arching philosophy or ethics for advertising , so we end up many pages that are just adverts .
I think much of the issues of ads is that they do tend to ill integrated on the page and do not enhance the viewing experience .
One issue is that a page may have to link with many domains , each involving multiple requests , and often the page will not render until all ads are loaded .
This is fair , but , again , does mature media expect to be successful if they serve lame ads ?
Ads support content in a number of ways , but must not conflict with the content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is true, but successful advertising tends to enhance the experience of the media they support.
How many of us would listen to the radio of watch TV if the ads were just 30 seconds of monotonous droning, or if the ads interrupted the expected flow of content.
For instance, if the ads were placed mid sentence instead of act breaks?
How many of us would read magazines if there was a paragraph of text on each page, and the rest were ads.
In sophisticated media, there is some experience in what works and what does not.
The web is a free for all, unlike radio there was never even a hint of over arching philosophy or ethics for advertising, so we end up many pages that are just adverts.
I think much of the issues of ads is that they do tend to ill integrated on the page and do not enhance the viewing experience.
One issue is that a page may have to link with many domains, each involving multiple requests, and often the page will not render until all ads are loaded.
This is fair, but, again, does mature media expect to be successful if they serve lame ads?
Ads support content in a number of ways, but must not conflict with the content.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514315</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28517475</id>
	<title>Re:so annoying</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1246304400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm guessing there's a lot of web 2.0 bullshit going on in the background. You can't escape it by disabling Javascript because that'll break most of the sites out there.</p></div><p>I use noscript and have only a handful of sites permanently enabled for javascript (in fact, I even removed most of the ones in the default whitelist that comes with it). And I'd say at least 80\% of the websites I visit are perfectly functional without any javascript.  Maybe not quite as "pretty" as they would be with javascript, but I've always been a function over form guy anyway.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing there 's a lot of web 2.0 bullshit going on in the background .
You ca n't escape it by disabling Javascript because that 'll break most of the sites out there.I use noscript and have only a handful of sites permanently enabled for javascript ( in fact , I even removed most of the ones in the default whitelist that comes with it ) .
And I 'd say at least 80 \ % of the websites I visit are perfectly functional without any javascript .
Maybe not quite as " pretty " as they would be with javascript , but I 've always been a function over form guy anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing there's a lot of web 2.0 bullshit going on in the background.
You can't escape it by disabling Javascript because that'll break most of the sites out there.I use noscript and have only a handful of sites permanently enabled for javascript (in fact, I even removed most of the ones in the default whitelist that comes with it).
And I'd say at least 80\% of the websites I visit are perfectly functional without any javascript.
Maybe not quite as "pretty" as they would be with javascript, but I've always been a function over form guy anyway.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514537</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515503</id>
	<title>Not shocking at all...</title>
	<author>Evil Shabazz</author>
	<datestamp>1246296960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Almost any time I visit a website and the website is slow to load, I can be sure to look in the status bar of my browser and see that it's trying to get data from one of the advertising websites.  Ad networks are almost ALWAYS the bottleneck.  Sure, once in a while it's a massive site or poorly designed... but mostly, it's just stupid ads taking the time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost any time I visit a website and the website is slow to load , I can be sure to look in the status bar of my browser and see that it 's trying to get data from one of the advertising websites .
Ad networks are almost ALWAYS the bottleneck .
Sure , once in a while it 's a massive site or poorly designed... but mostly , it 's just stupid ads taking the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost any time I visit a website and the website is slow to load, I can be sure to look in the status bar of my browser and see that it's trying to get data from one of the advertising websites.
Ad networks are almost ALWAYS the bottleneck.
Sure, once in a while it's a massive site or poorly designed... but mostly, it's just stupid ads taking the time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28519107</id>
	<title>Serverside Ads</title>
	<author>ibookdb</author>
	<datestamp>1246267620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why does somebody not make server side ads? Putting ads on the clientside with JS makes them easy to block and the webmaster has no control.

On the server side I can request an ad, if ad takes more than 0.25 seconds, just display the damn page without ads for now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does somebody not make server side ads ?
Putting ads on the clientside with JS makes them easy to block and the webmaster has no control .
On the server side I can request an ad , if ad takes more than 0.25 seconds , just display the damn page without ads for now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does somebody not make server side ads?
Putting ads on the clientside with JS makes them easy to block and the webmaster has no control.
On the server side I can request an ad, if ad takes more than 0.25 seconds, just display the damn page without ads for now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515421</id>
	<title>Simple Text inserts</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1246296600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>without any javascript or whatsoever. just some plain formatted html coming from the 3rd party. thats the deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>without any javascript or whatsoever .
just some plain formatted html coming from the 3rd party .
thats the deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>without any javascript or whatsoever.
just some plain formatted html coming from the 3rd party.
thats the deal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28524467</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise</title>
	<author>Meski</author>
	<datestamp>1246298820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>edit your hosts file, 127.0.0.1 is fast!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>edit your hosts file , 127.0.0.1 is fast !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>edit your hosts file, 127.0.0.1 is fast!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514263</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514705</id>
	<title>How best to balance the content vs. performance ..</title>
	<author>RemoWilliams84</author>
	<datestamp>1246293480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>from summary:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs"</p></div><p>I don't know, kill the 3rd party adds and social networking widgets?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>from summary : How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs " I do n't know , kill the 3rd party adds and social networking widgets ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>from summary:How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs"I don't know, kill the 3rd party adds and social networking widgets?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28519597</id>
	<title>and the solution is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246269240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just make the ads the last thing that loads on the page.<br>Problem solved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just make the ads the last thing that loads on the page.Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just make the ads the last thing that loads on the page.Problem solved.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516005</id>
	<title>Re:Without those ads, it would be worse</title>
	<author>SatanicPuppy</author>
	<datestamp>1246298760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, no. The vast majority of news sites are supported by ad revenue drawn from traditional sources: newsprint advertising/subscriptions, tv news advertising/cable subscriptions.</p><p>Online ad revenue isn't very profitable for anyone except the big ad services (e.g. doubleclick) and Google, and in both of those cases it's because of volume.</p><p>Most news sites can't make enough on online ads to support themselves. I mean, if sites like Facebook and Twitter can't support themselves on ads, then how do you think LATimes.com (the first actually reliable site to confirm the MJ thing) can?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , no .
The vast majority of news sites are supported by ad revenue drawn from traditional sources : newsprint advertising/subscriptions , tv news advertising/cable subscriptions.Online ad revenue is n't very profitable for anyone except the big ad services ( e.g .
doubleclick ) and Google , and in both of those cases it 's because of volume.Most news sites ca n't make enough on online ads to support themselves .
I mean , if sites like Facebook and Twitter ca n't support themselves on ads , then how do you think LATimes.com ( the first actually reliable site to confirm the MJ thing ) can ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, no.
The vast majority of news sites are supported by ad revenue drawn from traditional sources: newsprint advertising/subscriptions, tv news advertising/cable subscriptions.Online ad revenue isn't very profitable for anyone except the big ad services (e.g.
doubleclick) and Google, and in both of those cases it's because of volume.Most news sites can't make enough on online ads to support themselves.
I mean, if sites like Facebook and Twitter can't support themselves on ads, then how do you think LATimes.com (the first actually reliable site to confirm the MJ thing) can?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514293</id>
	<title>Where's the Billy Mays traffic spike?!</title>
	<author>grub</author>
	<datestamp>1246291740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>
RIP, Billy Mays.<br>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtYdDK1uTDI" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Billy Mays ordering at McDonalds</a> [youtube.com]
<br> <br>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>RIP , Billy Mays .
Billy Mays ordering at McDonalds [ youtube.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
RIP, Billy Mays.
Billy Mays ordering at McDonalds [youtube.com]
 .</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514635</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>shamabaghodia</author>
	<datestamp>1246293180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I laughed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I laughed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I laughed.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28518463</id>
	<title>local cache</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1246308480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I think that the major companies will have to figure out how to cache a certain number of ads on their own servers and rotate them through.  Having a page be slow loading because an ad is slow, or worse, having a page not come up at all because the ad site is down, is absolutely unacceptable when your livelihood depends on it.  The solution will probably be something like what radio does now -- the studio has a copy of the ad which they insert at the proper moment.
</p><p>
Another thing driving this is that the more this happens, the more people will turn to ad blockers, which also deny companies revenue.  It's a problem that needs to be solved quickly if sites are going to continue to rely on ad revenue.
</p><p>
Somewhat related, have anyone else had problems with extreme captcha slowness lately?  It seems like every login page I've hit recently has an unacceptably long pause before the challenge arrives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that the major companies will have to figure out how to cache a certain number of ads on their own servers and rotate them through .
Having a page be slow loading because an ad is slow , or worse , having a page not come up at all because the ad site is down , is absolutely unacceptable when your livelihood depends on it .
The solution will probably be something like what radio does now -- the studio has a copy of the ad which they insert at the proper moment .
Another thing driving this is that the more this happens , the more people will turn to ad blockers , which also deny companies revenue .
It 's a problem that needs to be solved quickly if sites are going to continue to rely on ad revenue .
Somewhat related , have anyone else had problems with extreme captcha slowness lately ?
It seems like every login page I 've hit recently has an unacceptably long pause before the challenge arrives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I think that the major companies will have to figure out how to cache a certain number of ads on their own servers and rotate them through.
Having a page be slow loading because an ad is slow, or worse, having a page not come up at all because the ad site is down, is absolutely unacceptable when your livelihood depends on it.
The solution will probably be something like what radio does now -- the studio has a copy of the ad which they insert at the proper moment.
Another thing driving this is that the more this happens, the more people will turn to ad blockers, which also deny companies revenue.
It's a problem that needs to be solved quickly if sites are going to continue to rely on ad revenue.
Somewhat related, have anyone else had problems with extreme captcha slowness lately?
It seems like every login page I've hit recently has an unacceptably long pause before the challenge arrives.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515237</id>
	<title>content vs. performance</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1246296060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when is an advertisement considered content ( to us regular folk, not the media giants that care more about the ad then the story, and often the story IS an ad )</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when is an advertisement considered content ( to us regular folk , not the media giants that care more about the ad then the story , and often the story IS an ad )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when is an advertisement considered content ( to us regular folk, not the media giants that care more about the ad then the story, and often the story IS an ad )</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516977</id>
	<title>Control of the ad server</title>
	<author>SgtChaireBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1246302540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Whenever the ad servers get to a critical overusage point, replace them with a set of text ads.</p></div><p>Except you want to get paid for banners especially when you got the most visitors.</p></div><p>
Control of the ad server gives economic control over the sites themselves.  "Sorry 'bout that."
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever the ad servers get to a critical overusage point , replace them with a set of text ads.Except you want to get paid for banners especially when you got the most visitors .
Control of the ad server gives economic control over the sites themselves .
" Sorry 'bout that .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever the ad servers get to a critical overusage point, replace them with a set of text ads.Except you want to get paid for banners especially when you got the most visitors.
Control of the ad server gives economic control over the sites themselves.
"Sorry 'bout that.
"

	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514805</id>
	<title>Re:No surprise</title>
	<author>datapharmer</author>
	<datestamp>1246293900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google anal-ytics has been a real real pain in the... well you can guess... lately - I had a couple sites running slow and couldn't figure it out. I removed analytics and voila! all better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google anal-ytics has been a real real pain in the... well you can guess... lately - I had a couple sites running slow and could n't figure it out .
I removed analytics and voila !
all better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google anal-ytics has been a real real pain in the... well you can guess... lately - I had a couple sites running slow and couldn't figure it out.
I removed analytics and voila!
all better.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514263</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516917</id>
	<title>Proper web site design would resolve that...</title>
	<author>DigitalCrackPipe</author>
	<datestamp>1246302300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem here is with pages designed to not load until the ads are shown.  Optimizing the page to load each piece as it is available would greatly reduce any hangups - the problem is likely that the ad companies desire this broken methodology so you read the ads while the content loads.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem here is with pages designed to not load until the ads are shown .
Optimizing the page to load each piece as it is available would greatly reduce any hangups - the problem is likely that the ad companies desire this broken methodology so you read the ads while the content loads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem here is with pages designed to not load until the ads are shown.
Optimizing the page to load each piece as it is available would greatly reduce any hangups - the problem is likely that the ad companies desire this broken methodology so you read the ads while the content loads.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28521477</id>
	<title>Not again :/</title>
	<author>Bender Unit 22</author>
	<datestamp>1246277640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well they never learn. I worked for some newspaper websites some time ago. We had our own ad servers which performed really well. But they decided not to keep them but to "outsource" them.<br>I did tell them that they would have performance issues with that ad company since I had noticed that they were slow on other sites even when not in peak hours. And so we did manage to get performance problems with the sites.<br>That was when I installed adblock for the first time, so when they called and said the sites was slow, I could see that they were performing well and document it with the tamperdata plugin.</p><p>It was ironic that we had templates for the websites that was without the ads ready for those occations where we got big news like that. Our servers could handle the traffic because I had scaled the systems properly. I also asked them if there were some performance / response time / capacity included in the contract but I never got a straight answer about that.<br>The next step was they spent a great deal of time rearranging the templates so that the sites would render in the browser even if the ads had not been loaded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well they never learn .
I worked for some newspaper websites some time ago .
We had our own ad servers which performed really well .
But they decided not to keep them but to " outsource " them.I did tell them that they would have performance issues with that ad company since I had noticed that they were slow on other sites even when not in peak hours .
And so we did manage to get performance problems with the sites.That was when I installed adblock for the first time , so when they called and said the sites was slow , I could see that they were performing well and document it with the tamperdata plugin.It was ironic that we had templates for the websites that was without the ads ready for those occations where we got big news like that .
Our servers could handle the traffic because I had scaled the systems properly .
I also asked them if there were some performance / response time / capacity included in the contract but I never got a straight answer about that.The next step was they spent a great deal of time rearranging the templates so that the sites would render in the browser even if the ads had not been loaded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well they never learn.
I worked for some newspaper websites some time ago.
We had our own ad servers which performed really well.
But they decided not to keep them but to "outsource" them.I did tell them that they would have performance issues with that ad company since I had noticed that they were slow on other sites even when not in peak hours.
And so we did manage to get performance problems with the sites.That was when I installed adblock for the first time, so when they called and said the sites was slow, I could see that they were performing well and document it with the tamperdata plugin.It was ironic that we had templates for the websites that was without the ads ready for those occations where we got big news like that.
Our servers could handle the traffic because I had scaled the systems properly.
I also asked them if there were some performance / response time / capacity included in the contract but I never got a straight answer about that.The next step was they spent a great deal of time rearranging the templates so that the sites would render in the browser even if the ads had not been loaded.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514273</id>
	<title>Easy solution.</title>
	<author>RyanFenton</author>
	<datestamp>1246291620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whenever the ad servers get to a critical overusage point, replace them with a set of text ads.  Or better yet, replace them with a text ad for <a href="http://adblockplus.org/en/" title="adblockplus.org">AdBlock Plus</a> [adblockplus.org].  Hey, a guy can dream, right?</p><p>Ryan Fenton</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever the ad servers get to a critical overusage point , replace them with a set of text ads .
Or better yet , replace them with a text ad for AdBlock Plus [ adblockplus.org ] .
Hey , a guy can dream , right ? Ryan Fenton</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever the ad servers get to a critical overusage point, replace them with a set of text ads.
Or better yet, replace them with a text ad for AdBlock Plus [adblockplus.org].
Hey, a guy can dream, right?Ryan Fenton</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516111</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246299180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The worst part about stories like this is having to skip past the 3 dozen Slashdot posts that all say "I don't see ads because I block them! Hyuk! Hyuk!"</p><p>Yes, we all get it. Lots of Slashdotters block ads. We know. We've read it a million times on this site. Could you just shut the hell up so we can comment on the actual story? Thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The worst part about stories like this is having to skip past the 3 dozen Slashdot posts that all say " I do n't see ads because I block them !
Hyuk ! Hyuk !
" Yes , we all get it .
Lots of Slashdotters block ads .
We know .
We 've read it a million times on this site .
Could you just shut the hell up so we can comment on the actual story ?
Thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The worst part about stories like this is having to skip past the 3 dozen Slashdot posts that all say "I don't see ads because I block them!
Hyuk! Hyuk!
"Yes, we all get it.
Lots of Slashdotters block ads.
We know.
We've read it a million times on this site.
Could you just shut the hell up so we can comment on the actual story?
Thank you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516201</id>
	<title>Obviously,</title>
	<author>toby</author>
	<datestamp>1246299600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The answer is for Michael Jackson not to die again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The answer is for Michael Jackson not to die again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The answer is for Michael Jackson not to die again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515217</id>
	<title>Define 'content'</title>
	<author>vawarayer</author>
	<datestamp>1246295940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Quote: How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?

Please define "content". I don't think ads is "content".</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quote : How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs ?
Please define " content " .
I do n't think ads is " content " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quote: How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?
Please define "content".
I don't think ads is "content".
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514877</id>
	<title>Re:I suppose the opposite motivation exists but ..</title>
	<author>NudeAvenger</author>
	<datestamp>1246294260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry, but it's not possible with some of the ad formats being used. I actually have looked in to this and have set up some sites so the ads do load last, this unfortunately is a fair bit of work for the publisher not only initially but also going forward and most online advertising companies do not have the technical expertise - they are primarily sales focused institutions. It also means that they lose flexibility in what they can serve and as such may lose out on money to other websites that can do what a client wants.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but it 's not possible with some of the ad formats being used .
I actually have looked in to this and have set up some sites so the ads do load last , this unfortunately is a fair bit of work for the publisher not only initially but also going forward and most online advertising companies do not have the technical expertise - they are primarily sales focused institutions .
It also means that they lose flexibility in what they can serve and as such may lose out on money to other websites that can do what a client wants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but it's not possible with some of the ad formats being used.
I actually have looked in to this and have set up some sites so the ads do load last, this unfortunately is a fair bit of work for the publisher not only initially but also going forward and most online advertising companies do not have the technical expertise - they are primarily sales focused institutions.
It also means that they lose flexibility in what they can serve and as such may lose out on money to other websites that can do what a client wants.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514925</id>
	<title>Well, duh.</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1246294500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads.</i>
</p><p>
Well, duh.  I've been complaining about this for the past year.  Too much ad code is using "document.write()", often for no really good reason.  Browsers can load content from multiple sites in parallel, and not wait for ad content, unless Javascript is used to prevent that.
All too often, Javascript is used in just that way.  (As on, well, Slashdot. Earth to Slashdot: your Javascript is embarrassingly slow.  Get someone with a clue.)
</p><p>
One of the more painful things I have to do for <a href="http://www.sitetruth.com/downloads" title="sitetruth.com">AdRater</a> [sitetruth.com] is to recognize dynamically loaded ad content.  Google ads are loaded using at least five completely different code styles.  So I actually have to look at other people's ad-serving code in some detail.  It's not fun.
Fortunately, one generic mechanism handles most of the cases; I don't have to track their code changes in detail.
</p><p>
Most of this doesn't seem to be intended to get around ad-blocking software, and isn't successful at that.  It's usually either tracking-related, concerned with displaying the ad in a different CSS context than that of the surrounding content, or just the result of ineptly cutting and pasting JavaScript from multiple sources.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads .
Well , duh .
I 've been complaining about this for the past year .
Too much ad code is using " document.write ( ) " , often for no really good reason .
Browsers can load content from multiple sites in parallel , and not wait for ad content , unless Javascript is used to prevent that .
All too often , Javascript is used in just that way .
( As on , well , Slashdot .
Earth to Slashdot : your Javascript is embarrassingly slow .
Get someone with a clue .
) One of the more painful things I have to do for AdRater [ sitetruth.com ] is to recognize dynamically loaded ad content .
Google ads are loaded using at least five completely different code styles .
So I actually have to look at other people 's ad-serving code in some detail .
It 's not fun .
Fortunately , one generic mechanism handles most of the cases ; I do n't have to track their code changes in detail .
Most of this does n't seem to be intended to get around ad-blocking software , and is n't successful at that .
It 's usually either tracking-related , concerned with displaying the ad in a different CSS context than that of the surrounding content , or just the result of ineptly cutting and pasting JavaScript from multiple sources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads.
Well, duh.
I've been complaining about this for the past year.
Too much ad code is using "document.write()", often for no really good reason.
Browsers can load content from multiple sites in parallel, and not wait for ad content, unless Javascript is used to prevent that.
All too often, Javascript is used in just that way.
(As on, well, Slashdot.
Earth to Slashdot: your Javascript is embarrassingly slow.
Get someone with a clue.
)

One of the more painful things I have to do for AdRater [sitetruth.com] is to recognize dynamically loaded ad content.
Google ads are loaded using at least five completely different code styles.
So I actually have to look at other people's ad-serving code in some detail.
It's not fun.
Fortunately, one generic mechanism handles most of the cases; I don't have to track their code changes in detail.
Most of this doesn't seem to be intended to get around ad-blocking software, and isn't successful at that.
It's usually either tracking-related, concerned with displaying the ad in a different CSS context than that of the surrounding content, or just the result of ineptly cutting and pasting JavaScript from multiple sources.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514703</id>
	<title>Re:Cache?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246293480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If the news sites aren't having any problems serving their pages could they cache the ads as well so their users get a consistent experience? Just curious.</i></p><p>The better question is: since the ad networks are in the business of serving ads, and without serving ads they get no money, why don't the ad networks have faster, burstable, more reliable bandwidth?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the news sites are n't having any problems serving their pages could they cache the ads as well so their users get a consistent experience ?
Just curious.The better question is : since the ad networks are in the business of serving ads , and without serving ads they get no money , why do n't the ad networks have faster , burstable , more reliable bandwidth ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the news sites aren't having any problems serving their pages could they cache the ads as well so their users get a consistent experience?
Just curious.The better question is: since the ad networks are in the business of serving ads, and without serving ads they get no money, why don't the ad networks have faster, burstable, more reliable bandwidth?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514497</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514269</id>
	<title>Ad Caching?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246291560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Many news web sites use advertising networks rather than serving ads from their own servers.</p></div><p>Luckily I don't deal with ads.  But if I did, I would try to work something out where I'd have a temporary directory with the cached ads<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... especially if they were some hit-the-monkey-resource-intensive-flash-ad.  Then I'd have a cron job or maybe just a servlet running on a timer that queries my ad provider's site for new ads, replace the ads in the directory with their names being generic so that they can be randomly selected based on size and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... you're a whole lot nicer for the internet.  Sure, now it's your traffic that's being taxed but at least you're not taking part in a massive attack on your ad server.  <br> <br>

I understand the beauty of not knowing anything about the ads and just getting whatever AdSense or AdWords or whoever serves you up your ads<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but when they're hogs like the article's flash ads are, you would expect some better design or fallback.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many news web sites use advertising networks rather than serving ads from their own servers.Luckily I do n't deal with ads .
But if I did , I would try to work something out where I 'd have a temporary directory with the cached ads ... especially if they were some hit-the-monkey-resource-intensive-flash-ad .
Then I 'd have a cron job or maybe just a servlet running on a timer that queries my ad provider 's site for new ads , replace the ads in the directory with their names being generic so that they can be randomly selected based on size and ... you 're a whole lot nicer for the internet .
Sure , now it 's your traffic that 's being taxed but at least you 're not taking part in a massive attack on your ad server .
I understand the beauty of not knowing anything about the ads and just getting whatever AdSense or AdWords or whoever serves you up your ads ... but when they 're hogs like the article 's flash ads are , you would expect some better design or fallback .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many news web sites use advertising networks rather than serving ads from their own servers.Luckily I don't deal with ads.
But if I did, I would try to work something out where I'd have a temporary directory with the cached ads ... especially if they were some hit-the-monkey-resource-intensive-flash-ad.
Then I'd have a cron job or maybe just a servlet running on a timer that queries my ad provider's site for new ads, replace the ads in the directory with their names being generic so that they can be randomly selected based on size and ... you're a whole lot nicer for the internet.
Sure, now it's your traffic that's being taxed but at least you're not taking part in a massive attack on your ad server.
I understand the beauty of not knowing anything about the ads and just getting whatever AdSense or AdWords or whoever serves you up your ads ... but when they're hogs like the article's flash ads are, you would expect some better design or fallback.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514301</id>
	<title>Aww come on!</title>
	<author>Starturtle</author>
	<datestamp>1246291740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would have been first to post but the bloody advertising bottlenecked me.  I'm going to head over to Rotten Tomatoes, I'm sure that won't happen there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would have been first to post but the bloody advertising bottlenecked me .
I 'm going to head over to Rotten Tomatoes , I 'm sure that wo n't happen there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would have been first to post but the bloody advertising bottlenecked me.
I'm going to head over to Rotten Tomatoes, I'm sure that won't happen there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514347</id>
	<title>Light the dark cables!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246291980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is the solution - just like more energy, not less, is what will benefit the environment and the economy. Archimedes, don't you know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is the solution - just like more energy , not less , is what will benefit the environment and the economy .
Archimedes , do n't you know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is the solution - just like more energy, not less, is what will benefit the environment and the economy.
Archimedes, don't you know.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28517959</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>CorporateSuit</author>
	<datestamp>1246306380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The worst part about stories like this is having to skip past the 3 dozen Slashdot posts that all say "I don't see ads because I block them! Hyuk! Hyuk!"</p></div><p>Sounds like you need an AdBlock Ad Blocker.  It hides any posts that may be construed as viral advertisements to block advertisements from your browser.  It allows those like you and me to learn about new car insurance rates and punch the monkey in peace.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The worst part about stories like this is having to skip past the 3 dozen Slashdot posts that all say " I do n't see ads because I block them !
Hyuk ! Hyuk !
" Sounds like you need an AdBlock Ad Blocker .
It hides any posts that may be construed as viral advertisements to block advertisements from your browser .
It allows those like you and me to learn about new car insurance rates and punch the monkey in peace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The worst part about stories like this is having to skip past the 3 dozen Slashdot posts that all say "I don't see ads because I block them!
Hyuk! Hyuk!
"Sounds like you need an AdBlock Ad Blocker.
It hides any posts that may be construed as viral advertisements to block advertisements from your browser.
It allows those like you and me to learn about new car insurance rates and punch the monkey in peace.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516111</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514885</id>
	<title>AdMuncher</title>
	<author>Anonymous Showered</author>
	<datestamp>1246294260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For a one-time fee of 25$ USD, you will get the best Win32 ad blocking software out there. I haven't seen an ad, popup or any other type of advertisement since <a href="http://www.admuncher.com/" title="admuncher.com" rel="nofollow">AdMuncher</a> [admuncher.com] first came out. If only they made it for OSX...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a one-time fee of 25 $ USD , you will get the best Win32 ad blocking software out there .
I have n't seen an ad , popup or any other type of advertisement since AdMuncher [ admuncher.com ] first came out .
If only they made it for OSX.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a one-time fee of 25$ USD, you will get the best Win32 ad blocking software out there.
I haven't seen an ad, popup or any other type of advertisement since AdMuncher [admuncher.com] first came out.
If only they made it for OSX...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28518845</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>Thaelon</author>
	<datestamp>1246266600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>0.0.0.0 may provide even faster routing as your machine won't try to connect to a server hosted at itself.</p><p>In short, a null route is faster even than localhost on some systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>0.0.0.0 may provide even faster routing as your machine wo n't try to connect to a server hosted at itself.In short , a null route is faster even than localhost on some systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>0.0.0.0 may provide even faster routing as your machine won't try to connect to a server hosted at itself.In short, a null route is faster even than localhost on some systems.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514261</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514517</id>
	<title>Re:Where's the Billy Mays traffic spike?!</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1246292700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>OxiClean works on the internet tubes so there were no clogs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OxiClean works on the internet tubes so there were no clogs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OxiClean works on the internet tubes so there were no clogs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514293</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28520261</id>
	<title>Re:Well, duh.</title>
	<author>mibus</author>
	<datestamp>1246271520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed - as someone who used to run some reasonably-sized forums and ad server to match, I spent some time making sure that the ads didn't slow the loading of the page, and didn't kill the page when the ad server decided to go loopy.</p><p>The solution? IFRAMEs. Simple, basic, but entirely effective at both of the above. 99.9\% of the time, it didn't matter - but the other 0.1\%, it saved the site. (We learnt the downsides of all of the other methods the hard way<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).</p><p>The biggest problem with IFRAMEs was that we had to have greater control over the ads - we ended up having to patch SWFs from some advertisers to load in \_blank, the ones we were supplied would often try to load inside the IFRAME only.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed - as someone who used to run some reasonably-sized forums and ad server to match , I spent some time making sure that the ads did n't slow the loading of the page , and did n't kill the page when the ad server decided to go loopy.The solution ?
IFRAMEs. Simple , basic , but entirely effective at both of the above .
99.9 \ % of the time , it did n't matter - but the other 0.1 \ % , it saved the site .
( We learnt the downsides of all of the other methods the hard way : ) .The biggest problem with IFRAMEs was that we had to have greater control over the ads - we ended up having to patch SWFs from some advertisers to load in \ _blank , the ones we were supplied would often try to load inside the IFRAME only .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed - as someone who used to run some reasonably-sized forums and ad server to match, I spent some time making sure that the ads didn't slow the loading of the page, and didn't kill the page when the ad server decided to go loopy.The solution?
IFRAMEs. Simple, basic, but entirely effective at both of the above.
99.9\% of the time, it didn't matter - but the other 0.1\%, it saved the site.
(We learnt the downsides of all of the other methods the hard way :).The biggest problem with IFRAMEs was that we had to have greater control over the ads - we ended up having to patch SWFs from some advertisers to load in \_blank, the ones we were supplied would often try to load inside the IFRAME only.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514925</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514815</id>
	<title>That explains it!</title>
	<author>antdude</author>
	<datestamp>1246293960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That explains why I didn't notice any slow downs because I use AdBlock Plus and many filters.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That explains why I did n't notice any slow downs because I use AdBlock Plus and many filters .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That explains why I didn't notice any slow downs because I use AdBlock Plus and many filters.
;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514287</id>
	<title>block the ads !</title>
	<author>Spaham</author>
	<datestamp>1246291680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>another great reason to use ad blockers.<br>I often noticed loading slowdowns because of web bugs and ads...<br>And once you get used to it, if you ever come back to ad filled pages,<br>it feels like watching a formula 1 car covered by stickers:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>another great reason to use ad blockers.I often noticed loading slowdowns because of web bugs and ads...And once you get used to it , if you ever come back to ad filled pages,it feels like watching a formula 1 car covered by stickers : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>another great reason to use ad blockers.I often noticed loading slowdowns because of web bugs and ads...And once you get used to it, if you ever come back to ad filled pages,it feels like watching a formula 1 car covered by stickers:(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515169</id>
	<title>very simple solution...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246295640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Web sites should display the CONTENT first, THEN load the ads. People can read the articles while all that other stuff gets it's act together.  If the ad servers are too slow, then the reader will have moved on before the ads finish loading, thus freeing up resources on the ad server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Web sites should display the CONTENT first , THEN load the ads .
People can read the articles while all that other stuff gets it 's act together .
If the ad servers are too slow , then the reader will have moved on before the ads finish loading , thus freeing up resources on the ad server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Web sites should display the CONTENT first, THEN load the ads.
People can read the articles while all that other stuff gets it's act together.
If the ad servers are too slow, then the reader will have moved on before the ads finish loading, thus freeing up resources on the ad server.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514543</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246292760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Whenever the ad servers get to a critical overusage point, replace them with a set of text ads.</p></div><p>Except you want to get paid for banners especially when you got the most visitors.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whenever the ad servers get to a critical overusage point , replace them with a set of text ads.Except you want to get paid for banners especially when you got the most visitors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whenever the ad servers get to a critical overusage point, replace them with a set of text ads.Except you want to get paid for banners especially when you got the most visitors.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514273</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28518193</id>
	<title>Re:Without those ads, it would be worse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246307280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can tell you I'd listen to the radio a hell of a lot more if there were NO advertisements.  As it is, I skip to another station when an ad comes on... because when they do, I swear it's 10 minutes of straight ads... and if ads are on all the 3 miserable stations I listen to around here, I shut it off entirely and listen to a CD.  Now you've lost a listener to your ads AND your content.  Good job.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can tell you I 'd listen to the radio a hell of a lot more if there were NO advertisements .
As it is , I skip to another station when an ad comes on... because when they do , I swear it 's 10 minutes of straight ads... and if ads are on all the 3 miserable stations I listen to around here , I shut it off entirely and listen to a CD .
Now you 've lost a listener to your ads AND your content .
Good job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can tell you I'd listen to the radio a hell of a lot more if there were NO advertisements.
As it is, I skip to another station when an ad comes on... because when they do, I swear it's 10 minutes of straight ads... and if ads are on all the 3 miserable stations I listen to around here, I shut it off entirely and listen to a CD.
Now you've lost a listener to your ads AND your content.
Good job.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514487</id>
	<title>Solution: Turn Off Javascript!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246292580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... or use noscript with firefox.</p><p>Your pages will load much, much faster. Even better, since many ad networks only serve ads with javascript, you get less ads.</p><p>There are some websites that don't work with javascript, but you can whitelist them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... or use noscript with firefox.Your pages will load much , much faster .
Even better , since many ad networks only serve ads with javascript , you get less ads.There are some websites that do n't work with javascript , but you can whitelist them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... or use noscript with firefox.Your pages will load much, much faster.
Even better, since many ad networks only serve ads with javascript, you get less ads.There are some websites that don't work with javascript, but you can whitelist them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514923</id>
	<title>WEDJE to the rescue</title>
	<author>gravyface</author>
	<datestamp>1246294500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks promising; found this in a link from TFA:</p><blockquote><div><p>WEDJE is similar to the innerHTML method above except it creates what is effectively a cross-platform, cross-browser defer, enabling your script to load and execute asynchronously across all environments. We write out a div with javascript, then we create a script element with javascript, and then we append the script element to the div, again with javascript.</p><p>By linking elements together in this way, browsers appear to completely decouple the loading and execution of our attached javascript from the loading and execution of the original document, which is exactly what we&#226;(TM)re looking for.</p></div></blockquote><p>Their example/demo worked in Chrome 2.x, and FF3.5 for me:</p><p><a href="http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/06/widget-deployment-with-wedje" title="mikeindustries.com">http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/06/widget-deployment-with-wedje</a> [mikeindustries.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks promising ; found this in a link from TFA : WEDJE is similar to the innerHTML method above except it creates what is effectively a cross-platform , cross-browser defer , enabling your script to load and execute asynchronously across all environments .
We write out a div with javascript , then we create a script element with javascript , and then we append the script element to the div , again with javascript.By linking elements together in this way , browsers appear to completely decouple the loading and execution of our attached javascript from the loading and execution of the original document , which is exactly what we   ( TM ) re looking for.Their example/demo worked in Chrome 2.x , and FF3.5 for me : http : //www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/06/widget-deployment-with-wedje [ mikeindustries.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks promising; found this in a link from TFA:WEDJE is similar to the innerHTML method above except it creates what is effectively a cross-platform, cross-browser defer, enabling your script to load and execute asynchronously across all environments.
We write out a div with javascript, then we create a script element with javascript, and then we append the script element to the div, again with javascript.By linking elements together in this way, browsers appear to completely decouple the loading and execution of our attached javascript from the loading and execution of the original document, which is exactly what weâ(TM)re looking for.Their example/demo worked in Chrome 2.x, and FF3.5 for me:http://www.mikeindustries.com/blog/archive/2007/06/widget-deployment-with-wedje [mikeindustries.com]
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28517589</id>
	<title>Wait, who died?</title>
	<author>honestmonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1246304820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Farrah's initials are FF, or maybe FO, since I think she got married the day before. Why's everyone writing MJ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Farrah 's initials are FF , or maybe FO , since I think she got married the day before .
Why 's everyone writing MJ ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Farrah's initials are FF, or maybe FO, since I think she got married the day before.
Why's everyone writing MJ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514655</id>
	<title>Re:Easy solution.</title>
	<author>VShael</author>
	<datestamp>1246293300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've shown some non-geek friends of mine that there is nothing wrong with their web browser, or their laptop, or their internet connection. Web browsing is really very fast, provided you turn off advertising.</p><p>I set them up with a combo of Ad Block Plus on Firefox, and a customised hosts file. They can't believe the difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've shown some non-geek friends of mine that there is nothing wrong with their web browser , or their laptop , or their internet connection .
Web browsing is really very fast , provided you turn off advertising.I set them up with a combo of Ad Block Plus on Firefox , and a customised hosts file .
They ca n't believe the difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've shown some non-geek friends of mine that there is nothing wrong with their web browser, or their laptop, or their internet connection.
Web browsing is really very fast, provided you turn off advertising.I set them up with a combo of Ad Block Plus on Firefox, and a customised hosts file.
They can't believe the difference.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514273</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514627</id>
	<title>Ads?  What ads?</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1246293180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?</p><p>Privoxy does the job for me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs ? Privoxy does the job for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?Privoxy does the job for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28533535</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1246394460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, we all get it. Lots of Slashdotters don't block ads. We know. We've read it a million times on this site. Could you just shut the hell up so we (the "3 dozen" you refer to) can comment on the actual story? Thank you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , we all get it .
Lots of Slashdotters do n't block ads .
We know .
We 've read it a million times on this site .
Could you just shut the hell up so we ( the " 3 dozen " you refer to ) can comment on the actual story ?
Thank you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, we all get it.
Lots of Slashdotters don't block ads.
We know.
We've read it a million times on this site.
Could you just shut the hell up so we (the "3 dozen" you refer to) can comment on the actual story?
Thank you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516111</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516641</id>
	<title>Simple solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246301280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Add an attribute to all manner of embedded objects giving the browser a hint as to the nature or priority of the content.  This serves two purposes:<br>1) The user can instruct the browser to render the page without waiting on "low priority" content such as ads or images<br>2) The user can instruct the browser not to retrieve certain types of content<br>3) During expected high traffic periods the site could dynamically adjust the content type hints to further improve the user experience</p><p>Hmm.  Maybe I should patent this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Add an attribute to all manner of embedded objects giving the browser a hint as to the nature or priority of the content .
This serves two purposes : 1 ) The user can instruct the browser to render the page without waiting on " low priority " content such as ads or images2 ) The user can instruct the browser not to retrieve certain types of content3 ) During expected high traffic periods the site could dynamically adjust the content type hints to further improve the user experienceHmm .
Maybe I should patent this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Add an attribute to all manner of embedded objects giving the browser a hint as to the nature or priority of the content.
This serves two purposes:1) The user can instruct the browser to render the page without waiting on "low priority" content such as ads or images2) The user can instruct the browser not to retrieve certain types of content3) During expected high traffic periods the site could dynamically adjust the content type hints to further improve the user experienceHmm.
Maybe I should patent this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514321</id>
	<title>That explains it!</title>
	<author>H0p313ss</author>
	<datestamp>1246291860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had not noticed any issues on Friday at all so I was rather surprised by the news reports about net slowdowns. Adblock FTW!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had not noticed any issues on Friday at all so I was rather surprised by the news reports about net slowdowns .
Adblock FTW !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had not noticed any issues on Friday at all so I was rather surprised by the news reports about net slowdowns.
Adblock FTW!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515111</id>
	<title>Misconception</title>
	<author>frank\_adrian314159</author>
	<datestamp>1246295400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>... many news sites delivered their own content promptly, only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads... How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?"</i> </p><p>Ads are not content (at least not for most viewers) - they are an annoyance.  How to balance it?  Get rid of the ads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... many news sites delivered their own content promptly , only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads... How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs ?
" Ads are not content ( at least not for most viewers ) - they are an annoyance .
How to balance it ?
Get rid of the ads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... many news sites delivered their own content promptly, only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads... How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?
" Ads are not content (at least not for most viewers) - they are an annoyance.
How to balance it?
Get rid of the ads.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514801</id>
	<title>Re:Ad Caching?</title>
	<author>NudeAvenger</author>
	<datestamp>1246293900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>actually the most important thing is not showing the ads, but counting the ads shown. I did work at a company that had a fallback where if there was a bottleneck it would switch to serving a default ad - but that makes no money. Clients pay on the number of views/clicks an ad gets and you have to have the request go through to the server to get this. Also the adserver needs to decide what ads to show.

It might be acceptable for click only ads - but it's the view based ads that make the most money, and you would get rid of any possibility of optimizing delivery of those ads - i.e. less money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>actually the most important thing is not showing the ads , but counting the ads shown .
I did work at a company that had a fallback where if there was a bottleneck it would switch to serving a default ad - but that makes no money .
Clients pay on the number of views/clicks an ad gets and you have to have the request go through to the server to get this .
Also the adserver needs to decide what ads to show .
It might be acceptable for click only ads - but it 's the view based ads that make the most money , and you would get rid of any possibility of optimizing delivery of those ads - i.e .
less money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually the most important thing is not showing the ads, but counting the ads shown.
I did work at a company that had a fallback where if there was a bottleneck it would switch to serving a default ad - but that makes no money.
Clients pay on the number of views/clicks an ad gets and you have to have the request go through to the server to get this.
Also the adserver needs to decide what ads to show.
It might be acceptable for click only ads - but it's the view based ads that make the most money, and you would get rid of any possibility of optimizing delivery of those ads - i.e.
less money.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514269</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515705</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>al0ha</author>
	<datestamp>1246297860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah this is news?  Man the main reason why I originally started blocking ads was not because I necessarily objected to them, it was because the ad servers always seem to hang up the page loads.  Web 2.0 as it is called simply made this problem even worse with sites cross loading content.  Web 2.0 sucks!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah this is news ?
Man the main reason why I originally started blocking ads was not because I necessarily objected to them , it was because the ad servers always seem to hang up the page loads .
Web 2.0 as it is called simply made this problem even worse with sites cross loading content .
Web 2.0 sucks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah this is news?
Man the main reason why I originally started blocking ads was not because I necessarily objected to them, it was because the ad servers always seem to hang up the page loads.
Web 2.0 as it is called simply made this problem even worse with sites cross loading content.
Web 2.0 sucks!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514261</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515387</id>
	<title>Billy Mays RIP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last week we had 3 celebrity deaths in rapid succession, but thanks to Billy Mays, he throws in a 4th one for ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last week we had 3 celebrity deaths in rapid succession , but thanks to Billy Mays , he throws in a 4th one for ABSOLUTELY FREE ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last week we had 3 celebrity deaths in rapid succession, but thanks to Billy Mays, he throws in a 4th one for ABSOLUTELY FREE!!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514293</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515779</id>
	<title>Re:Where's the Billy Mays traffic spike?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246298040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know you're joking, but FWIW I'd say the lack of Billy Mays traffic spike is because absolutely no fucker outside the USA has ever heard of him.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you 're joking , but FWIW I 'd say the lack of Billy Mays traffic spike is because absolutely no fucker outside the USA has ever heard of him .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you're joking, but FWIW I'd say the lack of Billy Mays traffic spike is because absolutely no fucker outside the USA has ever heard of him.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514293</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28517645</id>
	<title>Proxy the Ads</title>
	<author>johanwanderer</author>
	<datestamp>1246305120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I used to work for a company that serves up millions of page views a day, we had to build our own servers to serve as proxy to the Ad traffics. That way, we only served up contents that are fully available on our server, and not subjecting our clients to the delays caused by the ads.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I used to work for a company that serves up millions of page views a day , we had to build our own servers to serve as proxy to the Ad traffics .
That way , we only served up contents that are fully available on our server , and not subjecting our clients to the delays caused by the ads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I used to work for a company that serves up millions of page views a day, we had to build our own servers to serve as proxy to the Ad traffics.
That way, we only served up contents that are fully available on our server, and not subjecting our clients to the delays caused by the ads.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514397</id>
	<title>Re:Without those ads, it would be worse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246292220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's not a reasonable excuse for ad servers to often be slow as hell (note that I am on 768 kb/s), sometimes even right-out timing out.<br>Maybe some particularly popular sites should add a service-level clause for the ad providers (if they need more than 20 ms to prepare+transmit the ads, they must switch them off)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not a reasonable excuse for ad servers to often be slow as hell ( note that I am on 768 kb/s ) , sometimes even right-out timing out.Maybe some particularly popular sites should add a service-level clause for the ad providers ( if they need more than 20 ms to prepare + transmit the ads , they must switch them off ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not a reasonable excuse for ad servers to often be slow as hell (note that I am on 768 kb/s), sometimes even right-out timing out.Maybe some particularly popular sites should add a service-level clause for the ad providers (if they need more than 20 ms to prepare+transmit the ads, they must switch them off)?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514315</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514411</id>
	<title>Greed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246292340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>News sites are often too greedy to remove ads.  They have to decide whether to take a lesser paycut from less ads or to get a reputation for loading slowly because of ads.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>News sites are often too greedy to remove ads .
They have to decide whether to take a lesser paycut from less ads or to get a reputation for loading slowly because of ads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>News sites are often too greedy to remove ads.
They have to decide whether to take a lesser paycut from less ads or to get a reputation for loading slowly because of ads.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514457</id>
	<title>Load the ads last</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246292520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the ads are holding up the delivery of the site, load them last. It's not too hard to structure a site so that the primary content renders and gets delivered while other stuff loads next.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the ads are holding up the delivery of the site , load them last .
It 's not too hard to structure a site so that the primary content renders and gets delivered while other stuff loads next .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the ads are holding up the delivery of the site, load them last.
It's not too hard to structure a site so that the primary content renders and gets delivered while other stuff loads next.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514733</id>
	<title>What are these 'ads' you speak of?</title>
	<author>Sun.Jedi</author>
	<datestamp>1246293600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>This post blocked by category advertisement.</tt>

.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This post blocked by category advertisement .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This post blocked by category advertisement.
.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514515</id>
	<title>AJAX Ads</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246292700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have this problem at work with a lot of our client sites. The general solution (if possible) is to load ads after the document is ready.</p><p>There is no way I am going to wait for a server in god knows where to respond back via a  tag.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have this problem at work with a lot of our client sites .
The general solution ( if possible ) is to load ads after the document is ready.There is no way I am going to wait for a server in god knows where to respond back via a tag .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have this problem at work with a lot of our client sites.
The general solution (if possible) is to load ads after the document is ready.There is no way I am going to wait for a server in god knows where to respond back via a  tag.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514551</id>
	<title>Local caches.</title>
	<author>MouseR</author>
	<datestamp>1246292820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think adds shouldn't be delivered through a query while you're loading a page but rather cached on the content provider directly for faster delivery.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think adds should n't be delivered through a query while you 're loading a page but rather cached on the content provider directly for faster delivery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think adds shouldn't be delivered through a query while you're loading a page but rather cached on the content provider directly for faster delivery.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28518983</id>
	<title>Re:Billy Mays RIP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246267140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are a horrible, horrible person.</p><p>So am I, since this made me lol. Out loud even.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are a horrible , horrible person.So am I , since this made me lol .
Out loud even .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are a horrible, horrible person.So am I, since this made me lol.
Out loud even.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515049</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>Em Emalb</author>
	<datestamp>1246295100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hope you don't mind, but I'm using your ad server too.</p><p>Dang you must have one hell of a pipe to the internets.</p><p>It's....<b>FAST</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hope you do n't mind , but I 'm using your ad server too.Dang you must have one hell of a pipe to the internets.It 's....FAST</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hope you don't mind, but I'm using your ad server too.Dang you must have one hell of a pipe to the internets.It's....FAST</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514261</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516561</id>
	<title>Re:Without those ads, it would be worse</title>
	<author>pla</author>
	<datestamp>1246300920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>successful advertising tends to enhance the experience of the media they support.</i> <br>
<br>
Based on that premise, I have to conclude that no such thing as "successful advertising" exists, with
the <i>possible</i> exception of Superbowl ads - And I wouldn't say they enhance the media itself, so
much as they exist as content on their own (an idea supported by more people watching the halftime ads than
the game itself).<br>
<br>
<br>
<i>How many of us would listen to the radio of watch TV if the ads were just 30 seconds of monotonous droning</i> <br>
<br>
Well now, I expect in that situation, you would see massive numbers of people avoiding "live" TV, instead
preferring to watch everything later via TiVo where they can skip the commercials.  But with the commercials as such fun and
exciting content, dare I say rivaling the actual programs they break, I suppose we don't have to worry about such a
grim world full of ad-skipping thieves.
<br>
Oh, wait...<br>
<br>
<br>
<i>or if the ads interrupted the expected flow of content.</i> <br>
<br>
You do realize modern TV has ad-breaks <b>designed in</b> to the script, right?  The ads don't come
mid-sentence, they come at an arguable "worse" time - Right before an artificially-introduced cliffhanger
inserted solely to keep you from changing the channel for the next 3 minutes of garbage.<br>
<br>
<br>
<i>In sophisticated media, there is some experience in what works and what does not.</i> <br>
<br>
What "sophisticated" media?  If you mean we haven't figured out a way to skip ads in print media,
I can't argue that... But the fact that we can't skip it doesn't make it any more <i>effective</i>,
just more <i>intrusive</i>.<br>
<br>
<br>
I grudgingly have to accept that advertising pays for most of the so-called "free" content we have
available to us (and subsidizes even most for-pay content; compare the cost of a subscription to SciAm
vs Science).  But don't pretend that advertising has <b>any</b> merit, or nobility, or class <i>whatsoever</i>
beyond the base fact that it helps pay the bills.  In every other aspect it can do nothing but offend,
both through its interruption of actual content, and through the insulting tricks it uses to get us to
bend to someone else's will.</htmltext>
<tokenext>successful advertising tends to enhance the experience of the media they support .
Based on that premise , I have to conclude that no such thing as " successful advertising " exists , with the possible exception of Superbowl ads - And I would n't say they enhance the media itself , so much as they exist as content on their own ( an idea supported by more people watching the halftime ads than the game itself ) .
How many of us would listen to the radio of watch TV if the ads were just 30 seconds of monotonous droning Well now , I expect in that situation , you would see massive numbers of people avoiding " live " TV , instead preferring to watch everything later via TiVo where they can skip the commercials .
But with the commercials as such fun and exciting content , dare I say rivaling the actual programs they break , I suppose we do n't have to worry about such a grim world full of ad-skipping thieves .
Oh , wait.. . or if the ads interrupted the expected flow of content .
You do realize modern TV has ad-breaks designed in to the script , right ?
The ads do n't come mid-sentence , they come at an arguable " worse " time - Right before an artificially-introduced cliffhanger inserted solely to keep you from changing the channel for the next 3 minutes of garbage .
In sophisticated media , there is some experience in what works and what does not .
What " sophisticated " media ?
If you mean we have n't figured out a way to skip ads in print media , I ca n't argue that... But the fact that we ca n't skip it does n't make it any more effective , just more intrusive .
I grudgingly have to accept that advertising pays for most of the so-called " free " content we have available to us ( and subsidizes even most for-pay content ; compare the cost of a subscription to SciAm vs Science ) .
But do n't pretend that advertising has any merit , or nobility , or class whatsoever beyond the base fact that it helps pay the bills .
In every other aspect it can do nothing but offend , both through its interruption of actual content , and through the insulting tricks it uses to get us to bend to someone else 's will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>successful advertising tends to enhance the experience of the media they support.
Based on that premise, I have to conclude that no such thing as "successful advertising" exists, with
the possible exception of Superbowl ads - And I wouldn't say they enhance the media itself, so
much as they exist as content on their own (an idea supported by more people watching the halftime ads than
the game itself).
How many of us would listen to the radio of watch TV if the ads were just 30 seconds of monotonous droning 

Well now, I expect in that situation, you would see massive numbers of people avoiding "live" TV, instead
preferring to watch everything later via TiVo where they can skip the commercials.
But with the commercials as such fun and
exciting content, dare I say rivaling the actual programs they break, I suppose we don't have to worry about such a
grim world full of ad-skipping thieves.
Oh, wait...


or if the ads interrupted the expected flow of content.
You do realize modern TV has ad-breaks designed in to the script, right?
The ads don't come
mid-sentence, they come at an arguable "worse" time - Right before an artificially-introduced cliffhanger
inserted solely to keep you from changing the channel for the next 3 minutes of garbage.
In sophisticated media, there is some experience in what works and what does not.
What "sophisticated" media?
If you mean we haven't figured out a way to skip ads in print media,
I can't argue that... But the fact that we can't skip it doesn't make it any more effective,
just more intrusive.
I grudgingly have to accept that advertising pays for most of the so-called "free" content we have
available to us (and subsidizes even most for-pay content; compare the cost of a subscription to SciAm
vs Science).
But don't pretend that advertising has any merit, or nobility, or class whatsoever
beyond the base fact that it helps pay the bills.
In every other aspect it can do nothing but offend,
both through its interruption of actual content, and through the insulting tricks it uses to get us to
bend to someone else's will.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516319</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>unfasten</author>
	<datestamp>1246300080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. I have a lighttpd instance running on my computer just for this reason. It serves up a single page containing only the following text:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>404 - ad fail</p></div><p>And if anyone is wondering why I'm running an HTTP server just for this it's because serving the 404 kills the request much quicker than letting the browser timeout the connection. Lighttpd is very light on resources but also allows me to have access logs, which allows me to get some interesting data. For instance, I split the logs up by month and here are some of the sizes:
</p><ul> <li>June (to date): 2.95 MB with 13,550 lines</li><li>May: 2.87 MB with 11,354 entries</li><li>April: 2.69 MB with 14,931 entries</li></ul><p>I've also written a perl script to import the logs into an SQLite database. Which allows things like:
</p><p>All hosts blocked with over 1,000 hits  (from the aforementioned April to June logs)</p><blockquote><div><p> <tt>req\_subd    req\_domain    Total hits<br> <br>ad       doubleclick   14556<br>www      google-analytics 3927<br>media     fastclick    3339<br>ads      adbrite     1920<br>content    pulse360     1692<br>ad       yieldmanager   1158</tt></p></div> </blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
I have a lighttpd instance running on my computer just for this reason .
It serves up a single page containing only the following text : 404 - ad failAnd if anyone is wondering why I 'm running an HTTP server just for this it 's because serving the 404 kills the request much quicker than letting the browser timeout the connection .
Lighttpd is very light on resources but also allows me to have access logs , which allows me to get some interesting data .
For instance , I split the logs up by month and here are some of the sizes : June ( to date ) : 2.95 MB with 13,550 linesMay : 2.87 MB with 11,354 entriesApril : 2.69 MB with 14,931 entriesI 've also written a perl script to import the logs into an SQLite database .
Which allows things like : All hosts blocked with over 1,000 hits ( from the aforementioned April to June logs ) req \ _subd req \ _domain Total hits ad doubleclick 14556www google-analytics 3927media fastclick 3339ads adbrite 1920content pulse360 1692ad yieldmanager 1158</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
I have a lighttpd instance running on my computer just for this reason.
It serves up a single page containing only the following text:404 - ad failAnd if anyone is wondering why I'm running an HTTP server just for this it's because serving the 404 kills the request much quicker than letting the browser timeout the connection.
Lighttpd is very light on resources but also allows me to have access logs, which allows me to get some interesting data.
For instance, I split the logs up by month and here are some of the sizes:
 June (to date): 2.95 MB with 13,550 linesMay: 2.87 MB with 11,354 entriesApril: 2.69 MB with 14,931 entriesI've also written a perl script to import the logs into an SQLite database.
Which allows things like:
All hosts blocked with over 1,000 hits  (from the aforementioned April to June logs) req\_subd    req\_domain    Total hits ad       doubleclick   14556www      google-analytics 3927media     fastclick    3339ads      adbrite     1920content    pulse360     1692ad       yieldmanager   1158 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514261</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514279</id>
	<title>MJ Clogged the toobs?</title>
	<author>toygeek</author>
	<datestamp>1246291680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll bet THAT isn't in the autopsy report.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bet THAT is n't in the autopsy report .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bet THAT isn't in the autopsy report.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514869</id>
	<title>Tune max RTT down</title>
	<author>wsanders</author>
	<datestamp>1246294200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can tune your max RTT down globally, but I don't know how to do that on a application by application basis. The default is usually 120 sec, which is in general, very generous by today's internet performance standards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can tune your max RTT down globally , but I do n't know how to do that on a application by application basis .
The default is usually 120 sec , which is in general , very generous by today 's internet performance standards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can tune your max RTT down globally, but I don't know how to do that on a application by application basis.
The default is usually 120 sec, which is in general, very generous by today's internet performance standards.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514263</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516741</id>
	<title>Re:MJ Clogged the toobs?</title>
	<author>GMFTatsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1246301640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, but it IS in the affidavit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , but it IS in the affidavit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, but it IS in the affidavit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515599</id>
	<title>How to load 3rd party content and still load fast</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246297380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At my previous employer I devised a pretty simple hack for this.  A 3rd party was slowing down our page loads so I moved their content to the bottom of the page.  Where the original banners were placed I put a few empty placeholder DIVs.  The content was being loaded by a SCRIPT tag so after each script tag I copied the innerHTML up into the placeholder DIV.  Simple as that and it worked like a charm.  The ads would show up whenever the 3rd party got them back to us and our page loaded nice and quickly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At my previous employer I devised a pretty simple hack for this .
A 3rd party was slowing down our page loads so I moved their content to the bottom of the page .
Where the original banners were placed I put a few empty placeholder DIVs .
The content was being loaded by a SCRIPT tag so after each script tag I copied the innerHTML up into the placeholder DIV .
Simple as that and it worked like a charm .
The ads would show up whenever the 3rd party got them back to us and our page loaded nice and quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At my previous employer I devised a pretty simple hack for this.
A 3rd party was slowing down our page loads so I moved their content to the bottom of the page.
Where the original banners were placed I put a few empty placeholder DIVs.
The content was being loaded by a SCRIPT tag so after each script tag I copied the innerHTML up into the placeholder DIV.
Simple as that and it worked like a charm.
The ads would show up whenever the 3rd party got them back to us and our page loaded nice and quickly.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514537</id>
	<title>so annoying</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1246292760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When running on a browser without ad block, pages will take forever to load. The basic shell will come up but it will lag when feeding content from the advertiser servers. You cannot move on with your life until the ad loads and the page content will not load until the ad. Very annoying.</p><p>Also surprising is how much of the lag comes from the computer, not the bandwidth. I upgraded the home machine recently and am amazed at how quickly sites load now. I'd assumed previously that delays in loading were just waiting for data from the site but it appears that there's a lot of overhead with the bloat that is the modern browswer. I'm guessing there's a lot of web 2.0 bullshit going on in the background. You can't escape it by disabling Javascript because that'll break most of the sites out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When running on a browser without ad block , pages will take forever to load .
The basic shell will come up but it will lag when feeding content from the advertiser servers .
You can not move on with your life until the ad loads and the page content will not load until the ad .
Very annoying.Also surprising is how much of the lag comes from the computer , not the bandwidth .
I upgraded the home machine recently and am amazed at how quickly sites load now .
I 'd assumed previously that delays in loading were just waiting for data from the site but it appears that there 's a lot of overhead with the bloat that is the modern browswer .
I 'm guessing there 's a lot of web 2.0 bullshit going on in the background .
You ca n't escape it by disabling Javascript because that 'll break most of the sites out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When running on a browser without ad block, pages will take forever to load.
The basic shell will come up but it will lag when feeding content from the advertiser servers.
You cannot move on with your life until the ad loads and the page content will not load until the ad.
Very annoying.Also surprising is how much of the lag comes from the computer, not the bandwidth.
I upgraded the home machine recently and am amazed at how quickly sites load now.
I'd assumed previously that delays in loading were just waiting for data from the site but it appears that there's a lot of overhead with the bloat that is the modern browswer.
I'm guessing there's a lot of web 2.0 bullshit going on in the background.
You can't escape it by disabling Javascript because that'll break most of the sites out there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28533029</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>dstones</author>
	<datestamp>1246392120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>my custom ad server (127.0.0.1)</p></div><p>lol way to throw that in there.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>my custom ad server ( 127.0.0.1 ) lol way to throw that in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>my custom ad server (127.0.0.1)lol way to throw that in there.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514261</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514235</id>
	<title>Frist Opst?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246291440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>hmmmm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>hmmmm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hmmmm</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514385</id>
	<title>Google and Slashdot handle it well</title>
	<author>Blixinator</author>
	<datestamp>1246292160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Google has always appealed to me because of it's VERY basic homepage. No extra crap unless you want it there (iGoogle). I understand that it would be hard for a website to thrive without a method of revenue, either through a store or ads, but I tend to stick with sites that keep ads to a minimum. I've even stopped going to sites because of the overbearing amounts of ads. Slashdot has a nice system too. Giving you the option to turn off ads if you contribute.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google has always appealed to me because of it 's VERY basic homepage .
No extra crap unless you want it there ( iGoogle ) .
I understand that it would be hard for a website to thrive without a method of revenue , either through a store or ads , but I tend to stick with sites that keep ads to a minimum .
I 've even stopped going to sites because of the overbearing amounts of ads .
Slashdot has a nice system too .
Giving you the option to turn off ads if you contribute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google has always appealed to me because of it's VERY basic homepage.
No extra crap unless you want it there (iGoogle).
I understand that it would be hard for a website to thrive without a method of revenue, either through a store or ads, but I tend to stick with sites that keep ads to a minimum.
I've even stopped going to sites because of the overbearing amounts of ads.
Slashdot has a nice system too.
Giving you the option to turn off ads if you contribute.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514527</id>
	<title>content vs. performance tradeoffs</title>
	<author>viralMeme</author>
	<datestamp>1246292760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>many news sites delivered their own content promptly, only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?</i>"<br> <br>
Slashdot also suffers from this. The solution is to feed the adverts directly to the site and then serve up dynamically created static pages.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" many news sites delivered their own content promptly , only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads .. How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs ?
" Slashdot also suffers from this .
The solution is to feed the adverts directly to the site and then serve up dynamically created static pages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"many news sites delivered their own content promptly, only to find their page delivery delayed by slow-loading ads .. How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?
" 
Slashdot also suffers from this.
The solution is to feed the adverts directly to the site and then serve up dynamically created static pages.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28515579</id>
	<title>My favorite annoyance</title>
	<author>British</author>
	<datestamp>1246297260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..is when you go to a site, and visually, everything appears to be fine. Everything looks loaded up wonderfully, and you can use it as you please. However, firefox on its tab still perpetually says "Loading.....". I know it's ad-related. I just hit Stop and go along my way. Myspace is one of the worst offenders. guess they need more bandwidth to <a href="http://ads-featuring-gangsta-rappers.myspace.com./" title="ads-featur...yspace.com">http://ads-featuring-gangsta-rappers.myspace.com./</a> [ads-featur...yspace.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..is when you go to a site , and visually , everything appears to be fine .
Everything looks loaded up wonderfully , and you can use it as you please .
However , firefox on its tab still perpetually says " Loading..... " .
I know it 's ad-related .
I just hit Stop and go along my way .
Myspace is one of the worst offenders .
guess they need more bandwidth to http : //ads-featuring-gangsta-rappers.myspace.com./ [ ads-featur...yspace.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..is when you go to a site, and visually, everything appears to be fine.
Everything looks loaded up wonderfully, and you can use it as you please.
However, firefox on its tab still perpetually says "Loading.....".
I know it's ad-related.
I just hit Stop and go along my way.
Myspace is one of the worst offenders.
guess they need more bandwidth to http://ads-featuring-gangsta-rappers.myspace.com./ [ads-featur...yspace.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28524545</id>
	<title>"How best to balance ..."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246299540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Simple, quit rigging web sites so ads load first, and the page will not draw until the ads have loaded.  You know what the banner size is, specify the size and the page should draw without the images(/flash) loaded yet.  That's how they ALL worked in the early days -- well, the EARLY early days there were no ads... but after that, the ads all played nice like this.. no popups, no noise, no flash, just a GIF or JPEG in a box.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; One of the ad companies, I've blocked them at work for over 6 months -- they must have one or two crapped out ad servers.  At home, no sweat, never had a problem; at work, *the rest* of a page will load in a few seconds, then there's this 15 second + delay (during which of course the browser shows NOTHING) while this ad server FINALLY responds (I finally ran ethereal just to make sure.)  If these pages were set up politely, instead of a blank page for 15+ seconds (or my solution where the banner ads don't load at all) I'd have a page where the ads just load late, unobtrusively.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs ?
"           Simple , quit rigging web sites so ads load first , and the page will not draw until the ads have loaded .
You know what the banner size is , specify the size and the page should draw without the images ( /flash ) loaded yet .
That 's how they ALL worked in the early days -- well , the EARLY early days there were no ads... but after that , the ads all played nice like this.. no popups , no noise , no flash , just a GIF or JPEG in a box .
          One of the ad companies , I 've blocked them at work for over 6 months -- they must have one or two crapped out ad servers .
At home , no sweat , never had a problem ; at work , * the rest * of a page will load in a few seconds , then there 's this 15 second + delay ( during which of course the browser shows NOTHING ) while this ad server FINALLY responds ( I finally ran ethereal just to make sure .
) If these pages were set up politely , instead of a blank page for 15 + seconds ( or my solution where the banner ads do n't load at all ) I 'd have a page where the ads just load late , unobtrusively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"How best to balance the content vs. performance tradeoffs?
"
          Simple, quit rigging web sites so ads load first, and the page will not draw until the ads have loaded.
You know what the banner size is, specify the size and the page should draw without the images(/flash) loaded yet.
That's how they ALL worked in the early days -- well, the EARLY early days there were no ads... but after that, the ads all played nice like this.. no popups, no noise, no flash, just a GIF or JPEG in a box.
          One of the ad companies, I've blocked them at work for over 6 months -- they must have one or two crapped out ad servers.
At home, no sweat, never had a problem; at work, *the rest* of a page will load in a few seconds, then there's this 15 second + delay (during which of course the browser shows NOTHING) while this ad server FINALLY responds (I finally ran ethereal just to make sure.
)  If these pages were set up politely, instead of a blank page for 15+ seconds (or my solution where the banner ads don't load at all) I'd have a page where the ads just load late, unobtrusively.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514429</id>
	<title>Mashups in general</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246292400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've seen this as a big issue with mashups of all sorts for a while.</p><p>When google was down a few months ago many sites I visited...including this one...had issues. Turns out that google was only down for my ISP due to a routing problem, but it didn't matter. The google analytics used by the site failed to load causing some weird issues. Just think how many sites are depenedent on services from third party's like google.</p><p>This to me is more of a general browser web 2.0 issue that needs to get addressed. If the ads where inserted using some sort of ajax control the news sites could easily load their content and then stream the ads in after the main content was up.</p><p>Using the html "script" tag doesn't have a lot of controls for when it loads a script that doesn't compile right or when it takes forever to load. A timeout attribute....wrap in try/catch...ignore on compile error...and some other attributes might be useful. The same would go from image tags and all other tags that have some sort of src attribute.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen this as a big issue with mashups of all sorts for a while.When google was down a few months ago many sites I visited...including this one...had issues .
Turns out that google was only down for my ISP due to a routing problem , but it did n't matter .
The google analytics used by the site failed to load causing some weird issues .
Just think how many sites are depenedent on services from third party 's like google.This to me is more of a general browser web 2.0 issue that needs to get addressed .
If the ads where inserted using some sort of ajax control the news sites could easily load their content and then stream the ads in after the main content was up.Using the html " script " tag does n't have a lot of controls for when it loads a script that does n't compile right or when it takes forever to load .
A timeout attribute....wrap in try/catch...ignore on compile error...and some other attributes might be useful .
The same would go from image tags and all other tags that have some sort of src attribute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen this as a big issue with mashups of all sorts for a while.When google was down a few months ago many sites I visited...including this one...had issues.
Turns out that google was only down for my ISP due to a routing problem, but it didn't matter.
The google analytics used by the site failed to load causing some weird issues.
Just think how many sites are depenedent on services from third party's like google.This to me is more of a general browser web 2.0 issue that needs to get addressed.
If the ads where inserted using some sort of ajax control the news sites could easily load their content and then stream the ads in after the main content was up.Using the html "script" tag doesn't have a lot of controls for when it loads a script that doesn't compile right or when it takes forever to load.
A timeout attribute....wrap in try/catch...ignore on compile error...and some other attributes might be useful.
The same would go from image tags and all other tags that have some sort of src attribute.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514483</id>
	<title>Stupid question but why...</title>
	<author>Chyeld</author>
	<datestamp>1246292580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, I get the idea that you need ads on your site. And I fully understand that those ads are probably going to be served from an outside source who you don't have control over.</p><p>That being said, WHY, WHY, did you design your layout in such a way that a slow ad could slow down the page load? Aren't their about a hundred and one ways to slip ads into a page that ensure that the actual page loads and the ad just gets there when it gets there?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I get the idea that you need ads on your site .
And I fully understand that those ads are probably going to be served from an outside source who you do n't have control over.That being said , WHY , WHY , did you design your layout in such a way that a slow ad could slow down the page load ?
Are n't their about a hundred and one ways to slip ads into a page that ensure that the actual page loads and the ad just gets there when it gets there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, I get the idea that you need ads on your site.
And I fully understand that those ads are probably going to be served from an outside source who you don't have control over.That being said, WHY, WHY, did you design your layout in such a way that a slow ad could slow down the page load?
Aren't their about a hundred and one ways to slip ads into a page that ensure that the actual page loads and the ad just gets there when it gets there?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514675</id>
	<title>Re:Load the ads last</title>
	<author>John Hasler</author>
	<datestamp>1246293360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They *are* loading the "primary content" first.  They just differ with you as to what constitutes "primary".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They * are * loading the " primary content " first .
They just differ with you as to what constitutes " primary " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They *are* loading the "primary content" first.
They just differ with you as to what constitutes "primary".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514457</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28518053</id>
	<title>Re:Didn't notice...</title>
	<author>hibiki\_r</author>
	<datestamp>1246306740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think those comments can be meaningful. I avoid doing massive ad blocking, but in some cases, I've blocked ads from locations that created major slowdown in page loads.</p><p>It's an example of why ad delivery services are failing us: In modern browsers, delays for ad loading do happen from time to time, regardless of the size of your internet tubes. Bad performance makes even users that aren't ad averse want to block them, just for the performance gain, just like aggressive DRM makes users that have no problem paying for software be tempted to become pirates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think those comments can be meaningful .
I avoid doing massive ad blocking , but in some cases , I 've blocked ads from locations that created major slowdown in page loads.It 's an example of why ad delivery services are failing us : In modern browsers , delays for ad loading do happen from time to time , regardless of the size of your internet tubes .
Bad performance makes even users that are n't ad averse want to block them , just for the performance gain , just like aggressive DRM makes users that have no problem paying for software be tempted to become pirates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think those comments can be meaningful.
I avoid doing massive ad blocking, but in some cases, I've blocked ads from locations that created major slowdown in page loads.It's an example of why ad delivery services are failing us: In modern browsers, delays for ad loading do happen from time to time, regardless of the size of your internet tubes.
Bad performance makes even users that aren't ad averse want to block them, just for the performance gain, just like aggressive DRM makes users that have no problem paying for software be tempted to become pirates.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28516111</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514497</id>
	<title>Cache?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246292640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the news sites aren't having any problems serving their pages could they cache the ads as well so their users get a consistent experience? Just curious.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the news sites are n't having any problems serving their pages could they cache the ads as well so their users get a consistent experience ?
Just curious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the news sites aren't having any problems serving their pages could they cache the ads as well so their users get a consistent experience?
Just curious.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_1343225.28514263</id>
	<title>No surprise</title>
	<author>LordSnooty</author>
	<datestamp>1246291560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even at times of average load you can see delays as the browser goes off to find some unresponsive ad server. Google analytics and other stat-gatherers can be a problem too. It's annoying when it prevents the appearance of a page. Seems easily solvable within the browser though, set content from other domains to be on a shorter timeout. If the site fails because some off-server content isn't available, that's a badly-designed site. Ordinarily I'd just miss out on a few ads. Boo hoo!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even at times of average load you can see delays as the browser goes off to find some unresponsive ad server .
Google analytics and other stat-gatherers can be a problem too .
It 's annoying when it prevents the appearance of a page .
Seems easily solvable within the browser though , set content from other domains to be on a shorter timeout .
If the site fails because some off-server content is n't available , that 's a badly-designed site .
Ordinarily I 'd just miss out on a few ads .
Boo hoo !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even at times of average load you can see delays as the browser goes off to find some unresponsive ad server.
Google analytics and other stat-gatherers can be a problem too.
It's annoying when it prevents the appearance of a page.
Seems easily solvable within the browser though, set content from other domains to be on a shorter timeout.
If the site fails because some off-server content isn't available, that's a badly-designed site.
Ordinarily I'd just miss out on a few ads.
Boo hoo!</sentencetext>
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