<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_27_0152216</id>
	<title>Emigrating To a Freer Country?</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1246118940000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>puroresu writes <i>"I currently reside in the UK. In recent years I've seen <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation\_of\_Investigatory\_Powers\_Act\_2000">privacy</a>, free expression and <a href="http://www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk/issues/6-free-speech/s44-terrorism-act/index.shtml">civil liberties steadily eroded</a>, and I can't see anything changing for the better any time soon. With people being <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8033060.stm">banned from the UK</a> for expressing (admittedly reprehensible) opinions, the continuing efforts to implement <a href="http://www.no2id.co.uk/">mandatory ID cards</a> and the prospect of a Conservative government in the near future, I'm seriously considering emigrating to a less restrictive country. Which countries would you recommend in terms of freedom and privacy? Distance is not an issue, though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>puroresu writes " I currently reside in the UK .
In recent years I 've seen privacy , free expression and civil liberties steadily eroded , and I ca n't see anything changing for the better any time soon .
With people being banned from the UK for expressing ( admittedly reprehensible ) opinions , the continuing efforts to implement mandatory ID cards and the prospect of a Conservative government in the near future , I 'm seriously considering emigrating to a less restrictive country .
Which countries would you recommend in terms of freedom and privacy ?
Distance is not an issue , though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus .
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<sentencetext>puroresu writes "I currently reside in the UK.
In recent years I've seen privacy, free expression and civil liberties steadily eroded, and I can't see anything changing for the better any time soon.
With people being banned from the UK for expressing (admittedly reprehensible) opinions, the continuing efforts to implement mandatory ID cards and the prospect of a Conservative government in the near future, I'm seriously considering emigrating to a less restrictive country.
Which countries would you recommend in terms of freedom and privacy?
Distance is not an issue, though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492237</id>
	<title>Try less developed countries</title>
	<author>squidinkcalligraphy</author>
	<datestamp>1246044300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Try less developed countries, but keep the focus on large ones. India and Indonesia spring to mind; basically large and anarchic enough that it will be difficult for a regime to control even if they wanted to. That in mind, corruption is always an issue, but without a huge respect for state enforced laws (due to lack of resources to enforce them), you will always get a large degree of freedom. Perhaps Mexico or parts of South America, but large and less developed will give you the freedom from the tyranny of the state you seek. That in mind, laws and customs in such countries tend to be much more localised and community enforced, which brings up another can of worms.</p><p>I'm not certain what the \_actual\_ situation is in China, which fits the bill somewhat, but they seem to have enough coercive power (in a large military) to be able to control a large population. This doesn't seem to be the general case, since keeping such a large police force/military is very expensive.</p><p>Perhaps the question shouldn't be so much about the laws themselves, but the state's ability to enforce them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Try less developed countries , but keep the focus on large ones .
India and Indonesia spring to mind ; basically large and anarchic enough that it will be difficult for a regime to control even if they wanted to .
That in mind , corruption is always an issue , but without a huge respect for state enforced laws ( due to lack of resources to enforce them ) , you will always get a large degree of freedom .
Perhaps Mexico or parts of South America , but large and less developed will give you the freedom from the tyranny of the state you seek .
That in mind , laws and customs in such countries tend to be much more localised and community enforced , which brings up another can of worms.I 'm not certain what the \ _actual \ _ situation is in China , which fits the bill somewhat , but they seem to have enough coercive power ( in a large military ) to be able to control a large population .
This does n't seem to be the general case , since keeping such a large police force/military is very expensive.Perhaps the question should n't be so much about the laws themselves , but the state 's ability to enforce them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try less developed countries, but keep the focus on large ones.
India and Indonesia spring to mind; basically large and anarchic enough that it will be difficult for a regime to control even if they wanted to.
That in mind, corruption is always an issue, but without a huge respect for state enforced laws (due to lack of resources to enforce them), you will always get a large degree of freedom.
Perhaps Mexico or parts of South America, but large and less developed will give you the freedom from the tyranny of the state you seek.
That in mind, laws and customs in such countries tend to be much more localised and community enforced, which brings up another can of worms.I'm not certain what the \_actual\_ situation is in China, which fits the bill somewhat, but they seem to have enough coercive power (in a large military) to be able to control a large population.
This doesn't seem to be the general case, since keeping such a large police force/military is very expensive.Perhaps the question shouldn't be so much about the laws themselves, but the state's ability to enforce them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492673</id>
	<title>Re:Anarchy?</title>
	<author>anticharisma</author>
	<datestamp>1246135860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I think your spot on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think your spot on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think your spot on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492085</id>
	<title>Frankly...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246042500000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>With the kinds of things we are seeing come out of places like Iran, Burma, and North Korea... isn't it a little bit naive and short sighted to be whining about freedom in the UK?  Granted, I wasn't at all thrilled with the way the Bush administration ran the US into the ground for the last 8 years, but I didn't consider leaving.  Maybe your elected officials aren't always doing what you want them to because there are definite flaws in the western dollarocracies--sorry, democracies (yes, money really runs them more than votes do), but at least you're not being gunned down in the street just because you're standing out there saying you think the election was rigged.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With the kinds of things we are seeing come out of places like Iran , Burma , and North Korea... is n't it a little bit naive and short sighted to be whining about freedom in the UK ?
Granted , I was n't at all thrilled with the way the Bush administration ran the US into the ground for the last 8 years , but I did n't consider leaving .
Maybe your elected officials are n't always doing what you want them to because there are definite flaws in the western dollarocracies--sorry , democracies ( yes , money really runs them more than votes do ) , but at least you 're not being gunned down in the street just because you 're standing out there saying you think the election was rigged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the kinds of things we are seeing come out of places like Iran, Burma, and North Korea... isn't it a little bit naive and short sighted to be whining about freedom in the UK?
Granted, I wasn't at all thrilled with the way the Bush administration ran the US into the ground for the last 8 years, but I didn't consider leaving.
Maybe your elected officials aren't always doing what you want them to because there are definite flaws in the western dollarocracies--sorry, democracies (yes, money really runs them more than votes do), but at least you're not being gunned down in the street just because you're standing out there saying you think the election was rigged.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491793</id>
	<title>Don't run away</title>
	<author>hessian</author>
	<datestamp>1246039920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Get involved.</p><p>Fix the situation.</p><p>If you run off somewhere else, when things go wrong there (as they do: entropy), you'll back out too.</p><p>Others will do the same, and nothing will emerge for the better.</p><p>It's like anti-natural selection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get involved.Fix the situation.If you run off somewhere else , when things go wrong there ( as they do : entropy ) , you 'll back out too.Others will do the same , and nothing will emerge for the better.It 's like anti-natural selection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get involved.Fix the situation.If you run off somewhere else, when things go wrong there (as they do: entropy), you'll back out too.Others will do the same, and nothing will emerge for the better.It's like anti-natural selection.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493703</id>
	<title>A couple of things</title>
	<author>cheros</author>
	<datestamp>1246106340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Freedom very much correlates with democracy, so look for a democracy.</p><p>Secondly, with rights come obligations.  If your aim is to escape your obligations, forget it.  If your aim is to find a nation where the laws make sense and enforced to their meaning rather than to he letter, I may have a strange answer for you.</p><p>You see, laws MUST be enforced.  The current UK mess is exactly because it's a non-democracy where a club has created a clique which tries to stay above the law.  Now, clique forming isn't a new feature to British society, but the current government has destroyed any value that it could have brought.  The parallel with the US is uncanny - there too do you have very nice people who all of a sudden have been manipulated in letting an idiot plus cronies destroy the country and its standing.</p><p>In this context, Switzerland isn't a bad place to examine.  It's the last surviving democracy, despite the US trying to break their laws (no news there).  For someone used to the UK's "we don't care" approach to law enforcement, however, it may come as a shock, but that's why it's also so safe.  I found the police to be extremely correct and very efficient, but you get the impression they have a low tolerance level for BS.  Which is fine with me..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Freedom very much correlates with democracy , so look for a democracy.Secondly , with rights come obligations .
If your aim is to escape your obligations , forget it .
If your aim is to find a nation where the laws make sense and enforced to their meaning rather than to he letter , I may have a strange answer for you.You see , laws MUST be enforced .
The current UK mess is exactly because it 's a non-democracy where a club has created a clique which tries to stay above the law .
Now , clique forming is n't a new feature to British society , but the current government has destroyed any value that it could have brought .
The parallel with the US is uncanny - there too do you have very nice people who all of a sudden have been manipulated in letting an idiot plus cronies destroy the country and its standing.In this context , Switzerland is n't a bad place to examine .
It 's the last surviving democracy , despite the US trying to break their laws ( no news there ) .
For someone used to the UK 's " we do n't care " approach to law enforcement , however , it may come as a shock , but that 's why it 's also so safe .
I found the police to be extremely correct and very efficient , but you get the impression they have a low tolerance level for BS .
Which is fine with me. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freedom very much correlates with democracy, so look for a democracy.Secondly, with rights come obligations.
If your aim is to escape your obligations, forget it.
If your aim is to find a nation where the laws make sense and enforced to their meaning rather than to he letter, I may have a strange answer for you.You see, laws MUST be enforced.
The current UK mess is exactly because it's a non-democracy where a club has created a clique which tries to stay above the law.
Now, clique forming isn't a new feature to British society, but the current government has destroyed any value that it could have brought.
The parallel with the US is uncanny - there too do you have very nice people who all of a sudden have been manipulated in letting an idiot plus cronies destroy the country and its standing.In this context, Switzerland isn't a bad place to examine.
It's the last surviving democracy, despite the US trying to break their laws (no news there).
For someone used to the UK's "we don't care" approach to law enforcement, however, it may come as a shock, but that's why it's also so safe.
I found the police to be extremely correct and very efficient, but you get the impression they have a low tolerance level for BS.
Which is fine with me..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492287</id>
	<title>Re:Canada would be a very good choice!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246044900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It's not anti-English as much as anti-canadian, we had enough quebec-bashing and disrespect from fellow canadian<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. even website dedicated to that (canadadivided.com, point godwin right on the forum title!), and major english newspaper (globe and mail ) with editorial bashing quebec that we learned to distrust hem all.</p><p>English-speaking from other country are generally welcome, but we do expect you to try to learn some french after a while, we pretty accomodating.</p><p>It's when you live here many years and still doesnt speak french, in a majority of 80\%+ french population (but a minority or 23\% in canada) that quite some disrespect dont you agree ?  Or you get a superiority complex we like to shit on.</p><p>If im going to live in china for a couple of year, I'd learn some chinese.. not expecting everyone to speak my language, and not showing contempt too</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not anti-English as much as anti-canadian , we had enough quebec-bashing and disrespect from fellow canadian .. even website dedicated to that ( canadadivided.com , point godwin right on the forum title !
) , and major english newspaper ( globe and mail ) with editorial bashing quebec that we learned to distrust hem all.English-speaking from other country are generally welcome , but we do expect you to try to learn some french after a while , we pretty accomodating.It 's when you live here many years and still doesnt speak french , in a majority of 80 \ % + french population ( but a minority or 23 \ % in canada ) that quite some disrespect dont you agree ?
Or you get a superiority complex we like to shit on.If im going to live in china for a couple of year , I 'd learn some chinese.. not expecting everyone to speak my language , and not showing contempt too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not anti-English as much as anti-canadian, we had enough quebec-bashing and disrespect from fellow canadian .. even website dedicated to that (canadadivided.com, point godwin right on the forum title!
), and major english newspaper (globe and mail ) with editorial bashing quebec that we learned to distrust hem all.English-speaking from other country are generally welcome, but we do expect you to try to learn some french after a while, we pretty accomodating.It's when you live here many years and still doesnt speak french, in a majority of 80\%+ french population (but a minority or 23\% in canada) that quite some disrespect dont you agree ?
Or you get a superiority complex we like to shit on.If im going to live in china for a couple of year, I'd learn some chinese.. not expecting everyone to speak my language, and not showing contempt too</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28555917</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>jameslore</author>
	<datestamp>1246538640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Vote with your feet.</p></div><p>All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.</p><p>If you continually vote with your feet, eventually you'll run out of places to walk to.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Vote with your feet.All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.If you continually vote with your feet , eventually you 'll run out of places to walk to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vote with your feet.All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.If you continually vote with your feet, eventually you'll run out of places to walk to.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28503051</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246197780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>They also have a rapidly encroaching nanny state mentality second only to that in the UK.  Sorry, but for anywhere down under it's only a matter of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They also have a rapidly encroaching nanny state mentality second only to that in the UK .
Sorry , but for anywhere down under it 's only a matter of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They also have a rapidly encroaching nanny state mentality second only to that in the UK.
Sorry, but for anywhere down under it's only a matter of time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28525463</id>
	<title>No need to emigrate to another country.</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1246353600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>If you intend to be a responsible and a free citizen, buy a licensed Beretta Pistol.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you intend to be a responsible and a free citizen , buy a licensed Beretta Pistol .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you intend to be a responsible and a free citizen, buy a licensed Beretta Pistol.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494713</id>
	<title>I can think of a few...</title>
	<author>theuhstuf</author>
	<datestamp>1246117680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Russia, India, New Zealand...maybe even China!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Russia , India , New Zealand...maybe even China !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Russia, India, New Zealand...maybe even China!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493149</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246098060000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I am an Arab living in Israel and I'm sorry if I don't buy your points about freedom of expression.</p><p>Exclaimer: I work for an international company, most of my friends are jews and most arabs hate me for my libertarian opinions</p><p>Pretty much everywhere in the western world you will get some sentence in prison for questioning the holocaust. Now don't get me wrong, I am not questioning it, and I couldn't really care enough to question it, *but* every human on this planet should have a right to do so if they chose to. With questioning historical events banned the floodgates have been opened for people to ban questioning other things(Religion is a good candidate there) which will ultimately doom any Free society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am an Arab living in Israel and I 'm sorry if I do n't buy your points about freedom of expression.Exclaimer : I work for an international company , most of my friends are jews and most arabs hate me for my libertarian opinionsPretty much everywhere in the western world you will get some sentence in prison for questioning the holocaust .
Now do n't get me wrong , I am not questioning it , and I could n't really care enough to question it , * but * every human on this planet should have a right to do so if they chose to .
With questioning historical events banned the floodgates have been opened for people to ban questioning other things ( Religion is a good candidate there ) which will ultimately doom any Free society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am an Arab living in Israel and I'm sorry if I don't buy your points about freedom of expression.Exclaimer: I work for an international company, most of my friends are jews and most arabs hate me for my libertarian opinionsPretty much everywhere in the western world you will get some sentence in prison for questioning the holocaust.
Now don't get me wrong, I am not questioning it, and I couldn't really care enough to question it, *but* every human on this planet should have a right to do so if they chose to.
With questioning historical events banned the floodgates have been opened for people to ban questioning other things(Religion is a good candidate there) which will ultimately doom any Free society.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494959</id>
	<title>You know the answer already</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246119780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Despite the biased view of UN/European sponsored surveys, the United States is the freest nation on Earth.  You won't find any laws on the books curtailing free expression of opinions that even the bulk of society judges to be morally reprehensible (ala most of Europe).  You won't find religious leaders jailed or fined for expressing opinions against various segments of society whose behavior their religion condemns (aka Canada).  In addition, we have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of our person and property.</p><p>The stories coming out of England these days are so disgusting that I can't see why any freedom loving person would even visit the country.</p><p>In sum, come to America, land of the free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Despite the biased view of UN/European sponsored surveys , the United States is the freest nation on Earth .
You wo n't find any laws on the books curtailing free expression of opinions that even the bulk of society judges to be morally reprehensible ( ala most of Europe ) .
You wo n't find religious leaders jailed or fined for expressing opinions against various segments of society whose behavior their religion condemns ( aka Canada ) .
In addition , we have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of our person and property.The stories coming out of England these days are so disgusting that I ca n't see why any freedom loving person would even visit the country.In sum , come to America , land of the free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Despite the biased view of UN/European sponsored surveys, the United States is the freest nation on Earth.
You won't find any laws on the books curtailing free expression of opinions that even the bulk of society judges to be morally reprehensible (ala most of Europe).
You won't find religious leaders jailed or fined for expressing opinions against various segments of society whose behavior their religion condemns (aka Canada).
In addition, we have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of our person and property.The stories coming out of England these days are so disgusting that I can't see why any freedom loving person would even visit the country.In sum, come to America, land of the free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492199</id>
	<title>Fewer rights as a foreigner</title>
	<author>Florian Weimer</author>
	<datestamp>1246043700000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Even if you emigrate to another democractic country, you will have fewer rights on paper than you have in the UK now.  Typically, there are registration requirements and restrictions on net-related activities (such as blogging; journalistic activities often need a special permit).  You will not have voting rights, either, and there's quite a bit of government-approved discrimination.  Taxation could be an issue, too, depending on how much you're paying.</p><p>For the Commonwealth, this might be different for you as a UK national, but then you've only got Canada and New Zealand, I think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if you emigrate to another democractic country , you will have fewer rights on paper than you have in the UK now .
Typically , there are registration requirements and restrictions on net-related activities ( such as blogging ; journalistic activities often need a special permit ) .
You will not have voting rights , either , and there 's quite a bit of government-approved discrimination .
Taxation could be an issue , too , depending on how much you 're paying.For the Commonwealth , this might be different for you as a UK national , but then you 've only got Canada and New Zealand , I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if you emigrate to another democractic country, you will have fewer rights on paper than you have in the UK now.
Typically, there are registration requirements and restrictions on net-related activities (such as blogging; journalistic activities often need a special permit).
You will not have voting rights, either, and there's quite a bit of government-approved discrimination.
Taxation could be an issue, too, depending on how much you're paying.For the Commonwealth, this might be different for you as a UK national, but then you've only got Canada and New Zealand, I think.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492907</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>PhilHibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1246094880000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Do you really think that the US army would open fire on its own citizens? Well, apart from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent\_State\_Shootings" title="wikipedia.org">the time they did</a> [wikipedia.org], but that was the National Guard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you really think that the US army would open fire on its own citizens ?
Well , apart from the time they did [ wikipedia.org ] , but that was the National Guard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really think that the US army would open fire on its own citizens?
Well, apart from the time they did [wikipedia.org], but that was the National Guard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497401</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246095240000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I lives in New Zealands now. i'ves got the internets thingy. One of my frend's has it too. We'ves even got ourselves a city here now too. Its a good place to lives herre now: we comes from  TasmaniaAustralia before and me and my sister have three kids now. We wouldna have had them in Tassie, so freedoms good here. My sister an I might get married soon.</p><p>Hells, I can even votes here</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I lives in New Zealands now .
i'ves got the internets thingy .
One of my frend 's has it too .
We'ves even got ourselves a city here now too .
Its a good place to lives herre now : we comes from TasmaniaAustralia before and me and my sister have three kids now .
We wouldna have had them in Tassie , so freedoms good here .
My sister an I might get married soon.Hells , I can even votes here</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lives in New Zealands now.
i'ves got the internets thingy.
One of my frend's has it too.
We'ves even got ourselves a city here now too.
Its a good place to lives herre now: we comes from  TasmaniaAustralia before and me and my sister have three kids now.
We wouldna have had them in Tassie, so freedoms good here.
My sister an I might get married soon.Hells, I can even votes here</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493737</id>
	<title>NH, USA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246106820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come join the free state project! The best place for us to be is together as neighbors!</p><p>http://www.freestateproject.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come join the free state project !
The best place for us to be is together as neighbors ! http : //www.freestateproject.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come join the free state project!
The best place for us to be is together as neighbors!http://www.freestateproject.org/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492761</id>
	<title>Take care what you wish for..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246093620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here in Peru, there's a lot of freedom, people do what they want, stop a cab in the middle of the street, pay some money to avoid a ticket, cross the street even when the light is red. People dont respect rules. If democracy means power to the people, we have too much power, its anarchy. So please, come here for a season (some people say that Lima's  constant gray sky is lil like London) and you ll see the problem of too much freedom. Without rules, people turn into spoiled kids that always want to get it their way.<br>When ppl ask me where do you want to live, I answer: Somewhere where ppl respect primary rules of society. (funny thing, i thought Uk was one of those).<br>How do you balance freedom, when is freedom too much? When you stop seeing the government as a problem but instead, you re trouble by other citizen, you re living and a country with too much freedom. As Sartre said: "Hell is other people" (L'enfer, c'est les autres).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here in Peru , there 's a lot of freedom , people do what they want , stop a cab in the middle of the street , pay some money to avoid a ticket , cross the street even when the light is red .
People dont respect rules .
If democracy means power to the people , we have too much power , its anarchy .
So please , come here for a season ( some people say that Lima 's constant gray sky is lil like London ) and you ll see the problem of too much freedom .
Without rules , people turn into spoiled kids that always want to get it their way.When ppl ask me where do you want to live , I answer : Somewhere where ppl respect primary rules of society .
( funny thing , i thought Uk was one of those ) .How do you balance freedom , when is freedom too much ?
When you stop seeing the government as a problem but instead , you re trouble by other citizen , you re living and a country with too much freedom .
As Sartre said : " Hell is other people " ( L'enfer , c'est les autres ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here in Peru, there's a lot of freedom, people do what they want, stop a cab in the middle of the street, pay some money to avoid a ticket, cross the street even when the light is red.
People dont respect rules.
If democracy means power to the people, we have too much power, its anarchy.
So please, come here for a season (some people say that Lima's  constant gray sky is lil like London) and you ll see the problem of too much freedom.
Without rules, people turn into spoiled kids that always want to get it their way.When ppl ask me where do you want to live, I answer: Somewhere where ppl respect primary rules of society.
(funny thing, i thought Uk was one of those).How do you balance freedom, when is freedom too much?
When you stop seeing the government as a problem but instead, you re trouble by other citizen, you re living and a country with too much freedom.
As Sartre said: "Hell is other people" (L'enfer, c'est les autres).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493343</id>
	<title>Re:ABOUT that</title>
	<author>jesusflores</author>
	<datestamp>1246100640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"But in Italy or Spain or Russia, if the cops want to interrogate you the first thing they do is beat you up."
I'm spanish and that is totally ridiculous, you really have no idea of what you're speaking about.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" But in Italy or Spain or Russia , if the cops want to interrogate you the first thing they do is beat you up .
" I 'm spanish and that is totally ridiculous , you really have no idea of what you 're speaking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"But in Italy or Spain or Russia, if the cops want to interrogate you the first thing they do is beat you up.
"
I'm spanish and that is totally ridiculous, you really have no idea of what you're speaking about.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492931</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498011</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246099200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Oh puhleeez. Seriously? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen? You know, the one that has more resources than the next five biggest militaries COMBINED? I don't think you've thought about this very seriously. Yes, I know that's the same thing "they" said about facing down the British back in 1775, but we're living in a different world. How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters? Cruise missiles? Not to mention: in what terrain has the US military been *training* for the last two hundred years? To paraphrase an awful movie, "When the day comes that we have to go to war against Utah, we're [the US military] really gonna kick ass".</i></p><p>Fighting back is a very real possibility, WITHOUT apaches and tanks.  If it weren't, imagine how different Vietnam would have been.</p><p>Guerrilla warfare against an indigenous people is very hard.  Notice how much trouble we had in Iraq and Afghanistan?  Now imagine the armed services are being told to shoot at their neighbors and parents.  Revolution is very possible.  We couldn't even keep LA under control when a small segment of the population got pissed off.</p><p>And defending yourself against your government is really what we're talking about... no need to mince words on the topic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh puhleeez .
Seriously ? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen ?
You know , the one that has more resources than the next five biggest militaries COMBINED ?
I do n't think you 've thought about this very seriously .
Yes , I know that 's the same thing " they " said about facing down the British back in 1775 , but we 're living in a different world .
How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters ?
Cruise missiles ?
Not to mention : in what terrain has the US military been * training * for the last two hundred years ?
To paraphrase an awful movie , " When the day comes that we have to go to war against Utah , we 're [ the US military ] really gon na kick ass " .Fighting back is a very real possibility , WITHOUT apaches and tanks .
If it were n't , imagine how different Vietnam would have been.Guerrilla warfare against an indigenous people is very hard .
Notice how much trouble we had in Iraq and Afghanistan ?
Now imagine the armed services are being told to shoot at their neighbors and parents .
Revolution is very possible .
We could n't even keep LA under control when a small segment of the population got pissed off.And defending yourself against your government is really what we 're talking about... no need to mince words on the topic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh puhleeez.
Seriously? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen?
You know, the one that has more resources than the next five biggest militaries COMBINED?
I don't think you've thought about this very seriously.
Yes, I know that's the same thing "they" said about facing down the British back in 1775, but we're living in a different world.
How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters?
Cruise missiles?
Not to mention: in what terrain has the US military been *training* for the last two hundred years?
To paraphrase an awful movie, "When the day comes that we have to go to war against Utah, we're [the US military] really gonna kick ass".Fighting back is a very real possibility, WITHOUT apaches and tanks.
If it weren't, imagine how different Vietnam would have been.Guerrilla warfare against an indigenous people is very hard.
Notice how much trouble we had in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Now imagine the armed services are being told to shoot at their neighbors and parents.
Revolution is very possible.
We couldn't even keep LA under control when a small segment of the population got pissed off.And defending yourself against your government is really what we're talking about... no need to mince words on the topic.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495539</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>aralin</author>
	<datestamp>1246124340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dare you to swim in the ocean anywhere near Venice<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dare you to swim in the ocean anywhere near Venice : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dare you to swim in the ocean anywhere near Venice :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491775</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494681</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1246117440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I think the word "freer" in this case is misleading, it almost sounds more like you crave for a society were privacy is respected and more protected, which I see as a different thing.</i></p><p>Privacy implies freedom.  If no one knows what you're doing, they can't do anything to stop you.  Freedom also implies privacy.  If you can't keep people out of your business, you're not really free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the word " freer " in this case is misleading , it almost sounds more like you crave for a society were privacy is respected and more protected , which I see as a different thing.Privacy implies freedom .
If no one knows what you 're doing , they ca n't do anything to stop you .
Freedom also implies privacy .
If you ca n't keep people out of your business , you 're not really free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the word "freer" in this case is misleading, it almost sounds more like you crave for a society were privacy is respected and more protected, which I see as a different thing.Privacy implies freedom.
If no one knows what you're doing, they can't do anything to stop you.
Freedom also implies privacy.
If you can't keep people out of your business, you're not really free.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492077</id>
	<title>Seasteading</title>
	<author>bencoder</author>
	<datestamp>1246042440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's no where free left on land. It's time to colonise and move on to the <a href="http://www.seasteading.org/" title="seasteading.org">High Seas</a> [seasteading.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's no where free left on land .
It 's time to colonise and move on to the High Seas [ seasteading.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's no where free left on land.
It's time to colonise and move on to the High Seas [seasteading.org].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492157</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Trogre</author>
	<datestamp>1246043220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well put, sir.  The right to bear arms is, and has been for at least 100 years now, nothing more than angry boys wanting to keep their toys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well put , sir .
The right to bear arms is , and has been for at least 100 years now , nothing more than angry boys wanting to keep their toys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well put, sir.
The right to bear arms is, and has been for at least 100 years now, nothing more than angry boys wanting to keep their toys.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493377</id>
	<title>Spain FTW!</title>
	<author>jesusflores</author>
	<datestamp>1246101060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You could try Spain, we have a good weather, beautiful ladies, privacy, right to download and copy of registered works if not for commercial purposes a lot of comfort social measures.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could try Spain , we have a good weather , beautiful ladies , privacy , right to download and copy of registered works if not for commercial purposes a lot of comfort social measures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could try Spain, we have a good weather, beautiful ladies, privacy, right to download and copy of registered works if not for commercial purposes a lot of comfort social measures.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493861</id>
	<title>Re:Estonia</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1246108860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Estonia is a nice place to visit, but a shitty place to live. Unfriendly people, bad weather, shitty roads, Tallinn smells bad (mostly because of old cars with damaged catalysers due to bad fuel), expensive food, eesti keel is a very difficult language (basically Finnish vocabulary paired with German syntax), economy without any foundation whatsoever and lots of unresolved issues with the enormous Russian minority.</p><p>They are some nice things about Estonia, though. Local apples and berries come late but are very tasty. Also, some of the other local gastronomic specialities are very good. I generally visit Estonia every two or three years, but after the second week of my vacation there I generally start missing the more "civilised" western Europe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Estonia is a nice place to visit , but a shitty place to live .
Unfriendly people , bad weather , shitty roads , Tallinn smells bad ( mostly because of old cars with damaged catalysers due to bad fuel ) , expensive food , eesti keel is a very difficult language ( basically Finnish vocabulary paired with German syntax ) , economy without any foundation whatsoever and lots of unresolved issues with the enormous Russian minority.They are some nice things about Estonia , though .
Local apples and berries come late but are very tasty .
Also , some of the other local gastronomic specialities are very good .
I generally visit Estonia every two or three years , but after the second week of my vacation there I generally start missing the more " civilised " western Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Estonia is a nice place to visit, but a shitty place to live.
Unfriendly people, bad weather, shitty roads, Tallinn smells bad (mostly because of old cars with damaged catalysers due to bad fuel), expensive food, eesti keel is a very difficult language (basically Finnish vocabulary paired with German syntax), economy without any foundation whatsoever and lots of unresolved issues with the enormous Russian minority.They are some nice things about Estonia, though.
Local apples and berries come late but are very tasty.
Also, some of the other local gastronomic specialities are very good.
I generally visit Estonia every two or three years, but after the second week of my vacation there I generally start missing the more "civilised" western Europe.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28500509</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246119840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think New Zealand was the first country to grant women he right to vote - 1893.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think New Zealand was the first country to grant women he right to vote - 1893 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think New Zealand was the first country to grant women he right to vote - 1893.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491895</id>
	<title>come to Belgium</title>
	<author>kdemetter</author>
	<datestamp>1246040760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A freer country.</p><p>Let's see :</p><p>In most EU countries , the same is going on as in the UK , just at a somewhat slower rate.<br>I don't think the US is shining beacon of freedom these days.</p><p>My country , Belgium , is probably still pretty free , though.<br>We just have some very silly laws that can be annoying (for instance , i man was fined lately for eating something while he waiting on a red light in his car ) , but nothing very serious anyway.</p><p>Also , we have a very lenient immigration system.<br>Also , English is a third language here.</p><p>Only problem is the high taxes and the bad weather.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A freer country.Let 's see : In most EU countries , the same is going on as in the UK , just at a somewhat slower rate.I do n't think the US is shining beacon of freedom these days.My country , Belgium , is probably still pretty free , though.We just have some very silly laws that can be annoying ( for instance , i man was fined lately for eating something while he waiting on a red light in his car ) , but nothing very serious anyway.Also , we have a very lenient immigration system.Also , English is a third language here.Only problem is the high taxes and the bad weather .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A freer country.Let's see :In most EU countries , the same is going on as in the UK , just at a somewhat slower rate.I don't think the US is shining beacon of freedom these days.My country , Belgium , is probably still pretty free , though.We just have some very silly laws that can be annoying (for instance , i man was fined lately for eating something while he waiting on a red light in his car ) , but nothing very serious anyway.Also , we have a very lenient immigration system.Also , English is a third language here.Only problem is the high taxes and the bad weather.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28503469</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>pbaer</author>
	<datestamp>1246201440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Switzerland is also very xenophobic, don't go there if you're black. By the way how would they react to a red haired person with white skin?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Switzerland is also very xenophobic , do n't go there if you 're black .
By the way how would they react to a red haired person with white skin ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland is also very xenophobic, don't go there if you're black.
By the way how would they react to a red haired person with white skin?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491775</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492211</id>
	<title>Easy one, dude.</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1246043820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do what all the bankers and arms manufacturers are doing.</p><p>Load up on tax-payer dollars then move to Monaco or one of the many Caribbean islands (especially those that cater to "offshore investors").</p><p>What you seek requires vast sums of money. Some people are simply willing to go to great lengths, or great crimes, to get that money.</p><p>And if you care, I don't like it much myself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do what all the bankers and arms manufacturers are doing.Load up on tax-payer dollars then move to Monaco or one of the many Caribbean islands ( especially those that cater to " offshore investors " ) .What you seek requires vast sums of money .
Some people are simply willing to go to great lengths , or great crimes , to get that money.And if you care , I do n't like it much myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do what all the bankers and arms manufacturers are doing.Load up on tax-payer dollars then move to Monaco or one of the many Caribbean islands (especially those that cater to "offshore investors").What you seek requires vast sums of money.
Some people are simply willing to go to great lengths, or great crimes, to get that money.And if you care, I don't like it much myself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493205</id>
	<title>Try closer to home</title>
	<author>gremlinuk</author>
	<datestamp>1246098720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about one of the Crown Dependencies of the UK... like the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands.</p><p>Both are natively English-speaking, have laws *based upon* but not direct copies of UK law. Personal taxes are lower than the UK, but the health care system is free at the point of delivery, like the NHS.</p><p>And it's quite convenient to get back to the UK to see your less adventurous relations.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>The only down side is that at least the Isle of Man requires you to get a work permit for the first five years, and I think some of the Channel Islands still have minimum income/assets requirements for residency.</p><p>They're even nice places to live.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about one of the Crown Dependencies of the UK... like the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands.Both are natively English-speaking , have laws * based upon * but not direct copies of UK law .
Personal taxes are lower than the UK , but the health care system is free at the point of delivery , like the NHS.And it 's quite convenient to get back to the UK to see your less adventurous relations .
: ) The only down side is that at least the Isle of Man requires you to get a work permit for the first five years , and I think some of the Channel Islands still have minimum income/assets requirements for residency.They 're even nice places to live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about one of the Crown Dependencies of the UK... like the Isle of Man or the Channel Islands.Both are natively English-speaking, have laws *based upon* but not direct copies of UK law.
Personal taxes are lower than the UK, but the health care system is free at the point of delivery, like the NHS.And it's quite convenient to get back to the UK to see your less adventurous relations.
:)The only down side is that at least the Isle of Man requires you to get a work permit for the first five years, and I think some of the Channel Islands still have minimum income/assets requirements for residency.They're even nice places to live.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491983</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>aztracker1</author>
	<datestamp>1246041480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd like to know what the OP means by social services.  I mean socialism generally leads to mor statism, which leads to fascism, which means less freedom...  I'll take more liberties and less government all around.  Also, it takes more balls to stick around and appose policy, than to chicken out and leave.  Things will never get better if everyone who disagrees chickens out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to know what the OP means by social services .
I mean socialism generally leads to mor statism , which leads to fascism , which means less freedom... I 'll take more liberties and less government all around .
Also , it takes more balls to stick around and appose policy , than to chicken out and leave .
Things will never get better if everyone who disagrees chickens out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to know what the OP means by social services.
I mean socialism generally leads to mor statism, which leads to fascism, which means less freedom...  I'll take more liberties and less government all around.
Also, it takes more balls to stick around and appose policy, than to chicken out and leave.
Things will never get better if everyone who disagrees chickens out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491453</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491397</id>
	<title>Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246037280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't listen to the crap you might see from the libertarians on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.  The USA is a great place to come if your own country is becoming more repressive than you like.  Here's my best argument ("best" at 12:30 saturday morning.)</p><p>#1: We have rights of expression, assembly, thought, speech, and, yes, privacy enshrined in the Constitution.  All the UK really has is the continued good will of the crown (or, if you rather, the respect for history in Parliament.)  We do, in fact, have the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) specifically so we can unseat any tyrant who tries to take our rights away.</p><p>#2: As a culture, we prize freedom the way Israel prizes "never again" or Iran prizes "Islam".  "I just want to be left alone" is the only argument you'll need to get any American on your side.  Our two major political parties argue about how we collaborate on things, and where we should extend legal privileges -- NOT on how free we should be.  (At least, not the serious ones.)</p><p>#3: America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era.  We do reactions VERY well in this country -- and that means the principle sin of the Bush, era, "sacraficing liberty for security", is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years.  If ever.</p><p>#4: you'd be in the same country as<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.!</p><p>#5: From a feudalistic standpoint, you would go from being a subject of a crown to a citizen of a country -- theoretically speaking, from a king's slave to a king's peer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't listen to the crap you might see from the libertarians on / .
The USA is a great place to come if your own country is becoming more repressive than you like .
Here 's my best argument ( " best " at 12 : 30 saturday morning .
) # 1 : We have rights of expression , assembly , thought , speech , and , yes , privacy enshrined in the Constitution .
All the UK really has is the continued good will of the crown ( or , if you rather , the respect for history in Parliament .
) We do , in fact , have the 2nd amendment ( right to bear arms ) specifically so we can unseat any tyrant who tries to take our rights away. # 2 : As a culture , we prize freedom the way Israel prizes " never again " or Iran prizes " Islam " .
" I just want to be left alone " is the only argument you 'll need to get any American on your side .
Our two major political parties argue about how we collaborate on things , and where we should extend legal privileges -- NOT on how free we should be .
( At least , not the serious ones .
) # 3 : America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era .
We do reactions VERY well in this country -- and that means the principle sin of the Bush , era , " sacraficing liberty for security " , is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years .
If ever. # 4 : you 'd be in the same country as / .
! # 5 : From a feudalistic standpoint , you would go from being a subject of a crown to a citizen of a country -- theoretically speaking , from a king 's slave to a king 's peer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't listen to the crap you might see from the libertarians on /.
The USA is a great place to come if your own country is becoming more repressive than you like.
Here's my best argument ("best" at 12:30 saturday morning.
)#1: We have rights of expression, assembly, thought, speech, and, yes, privacy enshrined in the Constitution.
All the UK really has is the continued good will of the crown (or, if you rather, the respect for history in Parliament.
)  We do, in fact, have the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) specifically so we can unseat any tyrant who tries to take our rights away.#2: As a culture, we prize freedom the way Israel prizes "never again" or Iran prizes "Islam".
"I just want to be left alone" is the only argument you'll need to get any American on your side.
Our two major political parties argue about how we collaborate on things, and where we should extend legal privileges -- NOT on how free we should be.
(At least, not the serious ones.
)#3: America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era.
We do reactions VERY well in this country -- and that means the principle sin of the Bush, era, "sacraficing liberty for security", is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years.
If ever.#4: you'd be in the same country as /.
!#5: From a feudalistic standpoint, you would go from being a subject of a crown to a citizen of a country -- theoretically speaking, from a king's slave to a king's peer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492327</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246045200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that QOL factor seems a bit artificial. and there are factors i don't consider having much effect on QOL. GDP for example. it says NOTHING. watch 'the gods must be crazy'.<br>and don't get me started on 'Community life'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that QOL factor seems a bit artificial .
and there are factors i do n't consider having much effect on QOL .
GDP for example .
it says NOTHING .
watch 'the gods must be crazy'.and do n't get me started on 'Community life'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that QOL factor seems a bit artificial.
and there are factors i don't consider having much effect on QOL.
GDP for example.
it says NOTHING.
watch 'the gods must be crazy'.and don't get me started on 'Community life'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491589</id>
	<title>the netherlands</title>
	<author>spiffmastercow</author>
	<datestamp>1246038360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the only western country smart enough to decriminalize weed, and a staunch supporter of free speech.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the only western country smart enough to decriminalize weed , and a staunch supporter of free speech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the only western country smart enough to decriminalize weed, and a staunch supporter of free speech.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491561</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246038120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That being said, my suggestion to the person who posted this article is the improve the local situation instead of fleeing from it.</p></div><p>Labour were elected by 22\% of the voters, the Tories aren't much different, though at least they'd get rid of ID cards, and they can't change much anyway because both parties have worked together over the last forty years to hand Britain's sovereignty over to the EU (I believe more than half of all new laws in the UK are now just rubber-stamping edicts from Brussels).</p><p>Given those facts, maybe you could suggest how the OP could 'improve the local situation' short of rioting in the streets and stringing up the politicos from lamp-posts on Westminster Bridge? At an absolute minimum, he'd have to get Britain out of the EU, and the entire politico-media establishment would oppose that.</p><p>The really scary part is that if things continue the way they're going, I could easily see people getting desperate enough to elect whackos like the BNP... now imagine a neo-Nazi government handed the keys to Brown's surveillance state and terrorist powers and it will make Iran look like a fun place to live.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That being said , my suggestion to the person who posted this article is the improve the local situation instead of fleeing from it.Labour were elected by 22 \ % of the voters , the Tories are n't much different , though at least they 'd get rid of ID cards , and they ca n't change much anyway because both parties have worked together over the last forty years to hand Britain 's sovereignty over to the EU ( I believe more than half of all new laws in the UK are now just rubber-stamping edicts from Brussels ) .Given those facts , maybe you could suggest how the OP could 'improve the local situation ' short of rioting in the streets and stringing up the politicos from lamp-posts on Westminster Bridge ?
At an absolute minimum , he 'd have to get Britain out of the EU , and the entire politico-media establishment would oppose that.The really scary part is that if things continue the way they 're going , I could easily see people getting desperate enough to elect whackos like the BNP... now imagine a neo-Nazi government handed the keys to Brown 's surveillance state and terrorist powers and it will make Iran look like a fun place to live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That being said, my suggestion to the person who posted this article is the improve the local situation instead of fleeing from it.Labour were elected by 22\% of the voters, the Tories aren't much different, though at least they'd get rid of ID cards, and they can't change much anyway because both parties have worked together over the last forty years to hand Britain's sovereignty over to the EU (I believe more than half of all new laws in the UK are now just rubber-stamping edicts from Brussels).Given those facts, maybe you could suggest how the OP could 'improve the local situation' short of rioting in the streets and stringing up the politicos from lamp-posts on Westminster Bridge?
At an absolute minimum, he'd have to get Britain out of the EU, and the entire politico-media establishment would oppose that.The really scary part is that if things continue the way they're going, I could easily see people getting desperate enough to elect whackos like the BNP... now imagine a neo-Nazi government handed the keys to Brown's surveillance state and terrorist powers and it will make Iran look like a fun place to live.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491453</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492149</id>
	<title>Re:Canada would be a very good choice!</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1246043100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure someone who wants to get away from the government would like Montreal.  The level of bureaucracy is rather higher here than elsewhere in Canada.  Admittedly, they're harmless, just always in the way and very slow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure someone who wants to get away from the government would like Montreal .
The level of bureaucracy is rather higher here than elsewhere in Canada .
Admittedly , they 're harmless , just always in the way and very slow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure someone who wants to get away from the government would like Montreal.
The level of bureaucracy is rather higher here than elsewhere in Canada.
Admittedly, they're harmless, just always in the way and very slow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494147</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1246112400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What are the deltas? The relative positions might not be very interesting when the actual data used to establish them are compared (I mean, if #1 is 1\% more developed than #20, the difference isn't likely to matter).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are the deltas ?
The relative positions might not be very interesting when the actual data used to establish them are compared ( I mean , if # 1 is 1 \ % more developed than # 20 , the difference is n't likely to matter ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are the deltas?
The relative positions might not be very interesting when the actual data used to establish them are compared (I mean, if #1 is 1\% more developed than #20, the difference isn't likely to matter).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491911</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492173</id>
	<title>Taxes will be your biggest problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246043400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Watch out for unpaid back taxes!  Even if you leave England for another country, you will still owe tax whether you pay it or not.</p><p>The consequences can be severe, as the amount owed will be compounded with interest.  If you leave England for 10 years then return on a lark, you could find yourself owing a ridiculous amount of money.</p><p>This used to happen to rock bands in the 70s, since they would tour all over the world, other people handled their money, and a lot of it was in cash.  They used to hole up in the Bahamas to avoid British taxes until the crown caught on and went after them.</p><p>This is true for Americans as well.  If you leave the United States, you \_still\_ own Federal Income Tax.  Uncle Sam will not forget who you are.  It's great to fantasize about the life of an ex-pat, that is until reality comes crashing in on you.  You are not James Bond.  Even Ernest Hemmingway spent his final years wracked with fear that Castro's men would track him down to his farm in the American countryside and force-feed him a bullet.  None of that is likely to happen to you.  You'll probably take a series of short-term jobs in strange town with oppressive heat, no AC, and unreliable electricity.</p><p>I guess what I'm saying: don't give up on your country so easily.  Americans and Brits alike.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Watch out for unpaid back taxes !
Even if you leave England for another country , you will still owe tax whether you pay it or not.The consequences can be severe , as the amount owed will be compounded with interest .
If you leave England for 10 years then return on a lark , you could find yourself owing a ridiculous amount of money.This used to happen to rock bands in the 70s , since they would tour all over the world , other people handled their money , and a lot of it was in cash .
They used to hole up in the Bahamas to avoid British taxes until the crown caught on and went after them.This is true for Americans as well .
If you leave the United States , you \ _still \ _ own Federal Income Tax .
Uncle Sam will not forget who you are .
It 's great to fantasize about the life of an ex-pat , that is until reality comes crashing in on you .
You are not James Bond .
Even Ernest Hemmingway spent his final years wracked with fear that Castro 's men would track him down to his farm in the American countryside and force-feed him a bullet .
None of that is likely to happen to you .
You 'll probably take a series of short-term jobs in strange town with oppressive heat , no AC , and unreliable electricity.I guess what I 'm saying : do n't give up on your country so easily .
Americans and Brits alike .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watch out for unpaid back taxes!
Even if you leave England for another country, you will still owe tax whether you pay it or not.The consequences can be severe, as the amount owed will be compounded with interest.
If you leave England for 10 years then return on a lark, you could find yourself owing a ridiculous amount of money.This used to happen to rock bands in the 70s, since they would tour all over the world, other people handled their money, and a lot of it was in cash.
They used to hole up in the Bahamas to avoid British taxes until the crown caught on and went after them.This is true for Americans as well.
If you leave the United States, you \_still\_ own Federal Income Tax.
Uncle Sam will not forget who you are.
It's great to fantasize about the life of an ex-pat, that is until reality comes crashing in on you.
You are not James Bond.
Even Ernest Hemmingway spent his final years wracked with fear that Castro's men would track him down to his farm in the American countryside and force-feed him a bullet.
None of that is likely to happen to you.
You'll probably take a series of short-term jobs in strange town with oppressive heat, no AC, and unreliable electricity.I guess what I'm saying: don't give up on your country so easily.
Americans and Brits alike.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492043</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>D H NG</author>
	<datestamp>1246042140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>About 1.5 million of the 7 million people living in Switzerland are not Swiss citizens.  <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3673736.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">Switzerland has some of the toughest citizenship rules in the world.</a> [bbc.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>About 1.5 million of the 7 million people living in Switzerland are not Swiss citizens .
Switzerland has some of the toughest citizenship rules in the world .
[ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About 1.5 million of the 7 million people living in Switzerland are not Swiss citizens.
Switzerland has some of the toughest citizenship rules in the world.
[bbc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493601</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246104420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;So stay my friend. Be that guy/gal, like Gandhi or Thoreau or Rosa Parks.</p><p>They had it easy. He doesn't. And no, britain hasn't belonged to the british for centuries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; So stay my friend .
Be that guy/gal , like Gandhi or Thoreau or Rosa Parks.They had it easy .
He does n't .
And no , britain has n't belonged to the british for centuries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;So stay my friend.
Be that guy/gal, like Gandhi or Thoreau or Rosa Parks.They had it easy.
He doesn't.
And no, britain hasn't belonged to the british for centuries.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491517</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496427</id>
	<title>Fix it yourself</title>
	<author>spaceyhackerlady</author>
	<datestamp>1246132260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My response to you is the same one I give to U.S. folks who thinks of moving to Canada
for many of the same reasons you've talked about.

</p><p> <b>You fucked it up. You fix it.</b>

</p><p>I've sometimes wondered what it would be like to work and work in other countries. Unlike some of the other people
posting here, I view language as an opportunity, not as a barrier. I wouldn't mind getting to know France better,
but am not sure how I could swing it (space stuff in French Guyana?). I think Germany is a great place to visit - everything works - but I think
it would drive me crazy if I tried to live there. I've spent time in Costa Rica with telescopes, but a country with no native
engineering or industrial heritage is not for me.

</p><p>As a Canadian, Australia bordered on anti-climax when i went there
in 2002: at times it felt like I hadn't gone anywhere. I've heard this from others, and am expecting this
when I go to New Zealand next July, en route to the Cook Islands for the eclipse.

</p><p>...laura</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My response to you is the same one I give to U.S. folks who thinks of moving to Canada for many of the same reasons you 've talked about .
You fucked it up .
You fix it .
I 've sometimes wondered what it would be like to work and work in other countries .
Unlike some of the other people posting here , I view language as an opportunity , not as a barrier .
I would n't mind getting to know France better , but am not sure how I could swing it ( space stuff in French Guyana ? ) .
I think Germany is a great place to visit - everything works - but I think it would drive me crazy if I tried to live there .
I 've spent time in Costa Rica with telescopes , but a country with no native engineering or industrial heritage is not for me .
As a Canadian , Australia bordered on anti-climax when i went there in 2002 : at times it felt like I had n't gone anywhere .
I 've heard this from others , and am expecting this when I go to New Zealand next July , en route to the Cook Islands for the eclipse .
...laura</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My response to you is the same one I give to U.S. folks who thinks of moving to Canada
for many of the same reasons you've talked about.
You fucked it up.
You fix it.
I've sometimes wondered what it would be like to work and work in other countries.
Unlike some of the other people
posting here, I view language as an opportunity, not as a barrier.
I wouldn't mind getting to know France better,
but am not sure how I could swing it (space stuff in French Guyana?).
I think Germany is a great place to visit - everything works - but I think
it would drive me crazy if I tried to live there.
I've spent time in Costa Rica with telescopes, but a country with no native
engineering or industrial heritage is not for me.
As a Canadian, Australia bordered on anti-climax when i went there
in 2002: at times it felt like I hadn't gone anywhere.
I've heard this from others, and am expecting this
when I go to New Zealand next July, en route to the Cook Islands for the eclipse.
...laura</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491745</id>
	<title>Re:I'd recommend Australia or Canada...NOT the U.S</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246039560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>take off the shutters and you'll see that both ideals trample on liberty.  conservatives trample liberty just as much as liberals do.  The only thing different is the laundry list of reasons and justifications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>take off the shutters and you 'll see that both ideals trample on liberty .
conservatives trample liberty just as much as liberals do .
The only thing different is the laundry list of reasons and justifications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>take off the shutters and you'll see that both ideals trample on liberty.
conservatives trample liberty just as much as liberals do.
The only thing different is the laundry list of reasons and justifications.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491529</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497843</id>
	<title>Check Phil Hughes's views</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246097880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Phil Hughes, former publisher of "Linux Journal", has been living in Central America for several years, first Costa Rica, and now Nicaragua, where he is building a resort/hotel/retreat/community.</p><p>See "Nicaragua Living" (www.nicaliving.com/) and CoolTop Eco-Resort (www.ctpni.com/).</p><p>Other resources: "CIA World Fact Book" (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/index.html) and "Latin America Herald Tribune" (http://www.laht.com/Index.asp).</p><p>I am not an expert, just offering resources. I hear that Paraguguay (or is it Uruguay?) is really nice, but (reletively) expensive.</p><p>Best wishes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Phil Hughes , former publisher of " Linux Journal " , has been living in Central America for several years , first Costa Rica , and now Nicaragua , where he is building a resort/hotel/retreat/community.See " Nicaragua Living " ( www.nicaliving.com/ ) and CoolTop Eco-Resort ( www.ctpni.com/ ) .Other resources : " CIA World Fact Book " ( https : //www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/index.html ) and " Latin America Herald Tribune " ( http : //www.laht.com/Index.asp ) .I am not an expert , just offering resources .
I hear that Paraguguay ( or is it Uruguay ?
) is really nice , but ( reletively ) expensive.Best wishes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Phil Hughes, former publisher of "Linux Journal", has been living in Central America for several years, first Costa Rica, and now Nicaragua, where he is building a resort/hotel/retreat/community.See "Nicaragua Living" (www.nicaliving.com/) and CoolTop Eco-Resort (www.ctpni.com/).Other resources: "CIA World Fact Book" (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/index.html) and "Latin America Herald Tribune" (http://www.laht.com/Index.asp).I am not an expert, just offering resources.
I hear that Paraguguay (or is it Uruguay?
) is really nice, but (reletively) expensive.Best wishes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492951</id>
	<title>not the worst country 'cmon...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246095540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean, have you ever been in italy?</p><p>-We won't even be able do do telephone tapping anymore, since one of the requirements will soon be "the person tapped has to be strongly suspected to be guilty" oh, and you can only tap his home telephone, too...</p><p>-We won't be able to summarize or say who is in a trial and for what untill the trial is finished (read: 10 years later)</p><p>-People with *millions* of supporters are never shown on national televisions just becouse they are against the current government</p><p>-We can no more process the 4 highest politicians</p><p>-They recently tried to pass a law where the political party with more votes would have got 55\% of sanate and palament, even if it had taken only, say, 30\% of the votes.<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Could go on, but really, your country seems nice when looked from here...</p><p>At least public opinion still counts, as shown in the latest expenses scandal.... that would have *never* happened in italy...</p><p>really, why don't you try to change your country while you still can?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , have you ever been in italy ? -We wo n't even be able do do telephone tapping anymore , since one of the requirements will soon be " the person tapped has to be strongly suspected to be guilty " oh , and you can only tap his home telephone , too...-We wo n't be able to summarize or say who is in a trial and for what untill the trial is finished ( read : 10 years later ) -People with * millions * of supporters are never shown on national televisions just becouse they are against the current government-We can no more process the 4 highest politicians-They recently tried to pass a law where the political party with more votes would have got 55 \ % of sanate and palament , even if it had taken only , say , 30 \ % of the votes .
...Could go on , but really , your country seems nice when looked from here...At least public opinion still counts , as shown in the latest expenses scandal.... that would have * never * happened in italy...really , why do n't you try to change your country while you still can ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, have you ever been in italy?-We won't even be able do do telephone tapping anymore, since one of the requirements will soon be "the person tapped has to be strongly suspected to be guilty" oh, and you can only tap his home telephone, too...-We won't be able to summarize or say who is in a trial and for what untill the trial is finished (read: 10 years later)-People with *millions* of supporters are never shown on national televisions just becouse they are against the current government-We can no more process the 4 highest politicians-They recently tried to pass a law where the political party with more votes would have got 55\% of sanate and palament, even if it had taken only, say, 30\% of the votes.
...Could go on, but really, your country seems nice when looked from here...At least public opinion still counts, as shown in the latest expenses scandal.... that would have *never* happened in italy...really, why don't you try to change your country while you still can?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493157</id>
	<title>Emigrating</title>
	<author>jusmah2cents</author>
	<datestamp>1246098120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am an American living in China.  I don't know Chinese and that can be a problem, but I manage.  But to say that it is freer, would be a stretch. I believe your best bet might be Singapore or Hong Kong, both of which are often regarded as the freest places to live. They are not however very cheap, but both have large populations that speak English.  Thailand, also has a large expat population speaking multiple languages and it is very inexpensive, but not necessarily freer.
Having said all of the above does not address whether or not you can make a living in those places.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am an American living in China .
I do n't know Chinese and that can be a problem , but I manage .
But to say that it is freer , would be a stretch .
I believe your best bet might be Singapore or Hong Kong , both of which are often regarded as the freest places to live .
They are not however very cheap , but both have large populations that speak English .
Thailand , also has a large expat population speaking multiple languages and it is very inexpensive , but not necessarily freer .
Having said all of the above does not address whether or not you can make a living in those places .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am an American living in China.
I don't know Chinese and that can be a problem, but I manage.
But to say that it is freer, would be a stretch.
I believe your best bet might be Singapore or Hong Kong, both of which are often regarded as the freest places to live.
They are not however very cheap, but both have large populations that speak English.
Thailand, also has a large expat population speaking multiple languages and it is very inexpensive, but not necessarily freer.
Having said all of the above does not address whether or not you can make a living in those places.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493107</id>
	<title>may I suggest..</title>
	<author>ypctx</author>
	<datestamp>1246097520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>..a different technique to solve your problem -- enlist as a red-cross or similar org volunteer and go see and live the life in Somalia and similar countries. There's a high chance than when you come back to UK, you'll be the happiest man on earth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>..a different technique to solve your problem -- enlist as a red-cross or similar org volunteer and go see and live the life in Somalia and similar countries .
There 's a high chance than when you come back to UK , you 'll be the happiest man on earth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..a different technique to solve your problem -- enlist as a red-cross or similar org volunteer and go see and live the life in Somalia and similar countries.
There's a high chance than when you come back to UK, you'll be the happiest man on earth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492713</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>21mhz</author>
	<datestamp>1246136340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finland is a very nice country to live in (if you don't mind some real seasons and 5pm sunsets in the winter), but I wouldn't point it out as a beacon of freedoms the poster seems to be asking for. Surveillance cameras are everywhere, you have to give your ID everywhere, and anyone can check your income by doing so much as sending an SMS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finland is a very nice country to live in ( if you do n't mind some real seasons and 5pm sunsets in the winter ) , but I would n't point it out as a beacon of freedoms the poster seems to be asking for .
Surveillance cameras are everywhere , you have to give your ID everywhere , and anyone can check your income by doing so much as sending an SMS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finland is a very nice country to live in (if you don't mind some real seasons and 5pm sunsets in the winter), but I wouldn't point it out as a beacon of freedoms the poster seems to be asking for.
Surveillance cameras are everywhere, you have to give your ID everywhere, and anyone can check your income by doing so much as sending an SMS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492985</id>
	<title>As a Brit, I am also considering emigrating</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246095900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have been learning Russian, with a view to emigrating there.<br>For the price of a flat in the UK, I can have a very nice house, and live in a country that is not subject to mass surveillance, like the UK or North America.<br>Also, in Russia, I can see a government that is prepared to invest in its own industrial base, protecting the jobs of its own workers from 'free market' ideologues, and oppose the imperial interests of the breathtakingly evil foreign policy of the United States and its shameful NATO puppets.<br>British and American society are the most lacking in social cohesion, in any industrialised nations.<br>&#208;&#208;&#208;&#208;&#208; &#208;&#208;&#190;&#208;&#208;&#208;&#189;&#208;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been learning Russian , with a view to emigrating there.For the price of a flat in the UK , I can have a very nice house , and live in a country that is not subject to mass surveillance , like the UK or North America.Also , in Russia , I can see a government that is prepared to invest in its own industrial base , protecting the jobs of its own workers from 'free market ' ideologues , and oppose the imperial interests of the breathtakingly evil foreign policy of the United States and its shameful NATO puppets.British and American society are the most lacking in social cohesion , in any industrialised nations.                          </tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been learning Russian, with a view to emigrating there.For the price of a flat in the UK, I can have a very nice house, and live in a country that is not subject to mass surveillance, like the UK or North America.Also, in Russia, I can see a government that is prepared to invest in its own industrial base, protecting the jobs of its own workers from 'free market' ideologues, and oppose the imperial interests of the breathtakingly evil foreign policy of the United States and its shameful NATO puppets.British and American society are the most lacking in social cohesion, in any industrialised nations.ÐÐÐÐÐ ÐÐ¾ÐÐÐ½Ð</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491529</id>
	<title>I'd recommend Australia or Canada...NOT the U.S.</title>
	<author>PortHaven</author>
	<datestamp>1246038000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please...whatever you do. DO NOT move to the U.S.</p><p>We have enough stinkin' liberals here trying to take everyone's rights away and blaming it always on the conservatives. We don't need another liberal like you, who will want to eliminate our right to bear arms, capitalism, and pillars of America's foundation.</p><p>Frankly, state migration is a big part of the problem in America. It started with the mass exodus of New England and the northeast. They moved to California and Florida. They took two states that more closely resembled Texas and turned them into bastions of liberal thought.  In the case of California, these migrants from the northeast passed socialism, liberal ideals, and have bankrupted California. Creating another exodus to states like Nevada, &amp; Colorado.  They began passing similar laws and legislation. Always trying to build their liberal utopia, and in the process taking away everyone's rights and heaping upon themselves a bureaucratic nightmare of regulations and restrictions,</p><p>Now these same liberals are seeking new states to destroy such as Montana, Nebraska and Texas. When are you guys going to figure out that the problem is YOU!!!!</p><p>(Sometimes I wish there were no conservatives, than the liberals would have no excuse, no one to blame but themselves.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please...whatever you do .
DO NOT move to the U.S.We have enough stinkin ' liberals here trying to take everyone 's rights away and blaming it always on the conservatives .
We do n't need another liberal like you , who will want to eliminate our right to bear arms , capitalism , and pillars of America 's foundation.Frankly , state migration is a big part of the problem in America .
It started with the mass exodus of New England and the northeast .
They moved to California and Florida .
They took two states that more closely resembled Texas and turned them into bastions of liberal thought .
In the case of California , these migrants from the northeast passed socialism , liberal ideals , and have bankrupted California .
Creating another exodus to states like Nevada , &amp; Colorado .
They began passing similar laws and legislation .
Always trying to build their liberal utopia , and in the process taking away everyone 's rights and heaping upon themselves a bureaucratic nightmare of regulations and restrictions,Now these same liberals are seeking new states to destroy such as Montana , Nebraska and Texas .
When are you guys going to figure out that the problem is YOU ! ! ! !
( Sometimes I wish there were no conservatives , than the liberals would have no excuse , no one to blame but themselves .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please...whatever you do.
DO NOT move to the U.S.We have enough stinkin' liberals here trying to take everyone's rights away and blaming it always on the conservatives.
We don't need another liberal like you, who will want to eliminate our right to bear arms, capitalism, and pillars of America's foundation.Frankly, state migration is a big part of the problem in America.
It started with the mass exodus of New England and the northeast.
They moved to California and Florida.
They took two states that more closely resembled Texas and turned them into bastions of liberal thought.
In the case of California, these migrants from the northeast passed socialism, liberal ideals, and have bankrupted California.
Creating another exodus to states like Nevada, &amp; Colorado.
They began passing similar laws and legislation.
Always trying to build their liberal utopia, and in the process taking away everyone's rights and heaping upon themselves a bureaucratic nightmare of regulations and restrictions,Now these same liberals are seeking new states to destroy such as Montana, Nebraska and Texas.
When are you guys going to figure out that the problem is YOU!!!!
(Sometimes I wish there were no conservatives, than the liberals would have no excuse, no one to blame but themselves.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491845</id>
	<title>Costa Rica</title>
	<author>evil\_aar0n</author>
	<datestamp>1246040340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I asked a similar question back before the US elections, just in case Bush, er, McCain won.  Someone suggested Costa Rica.  Apparently, they're "America-lite."  They have similar institutions - three branches of govt - but just not as useless, I guess.  Land is supposed to be cheap.  It has coastlines on both oceans.  I don't know about immigration laws, but it shouldn't be hard to look up.</p><p>I feel for ya, brother.  Good luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I asked a similar question back before the US elections , just in case Bush , er , McCain won .
Someone suggested Costa Rica .
Apparently , they 're " America-lite .
" They have similar institutions - three branches of govt - but just not as useless , I guess .
Land is supposed to be cheap .
It has coastlines on both oceans .
I do n't know about immigration laws , but it should n't be hard to look up.I feel for ya , brother .
Good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I asked a similar question back before the US elections, just in case Bush, er, McCain won.
Someone suggested Costa Rica.
Apparently, they're "America-lite.
"  They have similar institutions - three branches of govt - but just not as useless, I guess.
Land is supposed to be cheap.
It has coastlines on both oceans.
I don't know about immigration laws, but it shouldn't be hard to look up.I feel for ya, brother.
Good luck.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493689</id>
	<title>Re:what kind of freedoms?</title>
	<author>jevring</author>
	<datestamp>1246105980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too bad switzerland probably won't let you in (certainly not give you a citizenship), and that most people I know who live or have lived in switzerland say that the people are terrible.<br>But, that aside, it is an incredibly beautiful country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad switzerland probably wo n't let you in ( certainly not give you a citizenship ) , and that most people I know who live or have lived in switzerland say that the people are terrible.But , that aside , it is an incredibly beautiful country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad switzerland probably won't let you in (certainly not give you a citizenship), and that most people I know who live or have lived in switzerland say that the people are terrible.But, that aside, it is an incredibly beautiful country.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491505</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491283</id>
	<title>I suggest Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246036440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can type a comment</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can type a comment</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can type a comment</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493807</id>
	<title>Are You Kidding?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246107900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You ask inhabitants at the center of the tinfoil hat universe for advice on where to live? <br> <br>Gawd forbid you live under a conservative government. You might not be able to claim victim status, go on the government dole, or experience true freedom without government interference. Just for the record, there are several million Vietnamese people in the US, many who came here on leaky hand built boats. Many of those who wanted to come died on the way. Same is true for Cubans. Mexicans have been streaming across the southwestern border for decades, just to get here and work in a free economy so they can support their families. Could it be that these people know something you don't, because your skull full of mush has been perverted by the likes of Bill Ayers? Funny how the less educated don't see the problems you see.<br> <br>You arrogant, ignorant little shit. Stay in the UK and learn how to deal with your perceived loss of freedoms. I don't see a mass exodus from the UK or the US or any of those 'oppressive' western countries. I do see a constant stream of third world illegals pouring over the borders of those countries and then undermining the governments and social structures that the hard working citizens have tried to create and maintain.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ask inhabitants at the center of the tinfoil hat universe for advice on where to live ?
Gawd forbid you live under a conservative government .
You might not be able to claim victim status , go on the government dole , or experience true freedom without government interference .
Just for the record , there are several million Vietnamese people in the US , many who came here on leaky hand built boats .
Many of those who wanted to come died on the way .
Same is true for Cubans .
Mexicans have been streaming across the southwestern border for decades , just to get here and work in a free economy so they can support their families .
Could it be that these people know something you do n't , because your skull full of mush has been perverted by the likes of Bill Ayers ?
Funny how the less educated do n't see the problems you see .
You arrogant , ignorant little shit .
Stay in the UK and learn how to deal with your perceived loss of freedoms .
I do n't see a mass exodus from the UK or the US or any of those 'oppressive ' western countries .
I do see a constant stream of third world illegals pouring over the borders of those countries and then undermining the governments and social structures that the hard working citizens have tried to create and maintain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You ask inhabitants at the center of the tinfoil hat universe for advice on where to live?
Gawd forbid you live under a conservative government.
You might not be able to claim victim status, go on the government dole, or experience true freedom without government interference.
Just for the record, there are several million Vietnamese people in the US, many who came here on leaky hand built boats.
Many of those who wanted to come died on the way.
Same is true for Cubans.
Mexicans have been streaming across the southwestern border for decades, just to get here and work in a free economy so they can support their families.
Could it be that these people know something you don't, because your skull full of mush has been perverted by the likes of Bill Ayers?
Funny how the less educated don't see the problems you see.
You arrogant, ignorant little shit.
Stay in the UK and learn how to deal with your perceived loss of freedoms.
I don't see a mass exodus from the UK or the US or any of those 'oppressive' western countries.
I do see a constant stream of third world illegals pouring over the borders of those countries and then undermining the governments and social structures that the hard working citizens have tried to create and maintain.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495847</id>
	<title>Easier to change it from within?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246127100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead of abandoning it, have you considered changing it from within?  Its sometimes hard (ok, sometimes very hard), but might be very worthwhile, not just for you, but for your fellow freedom-loving citizens.  Why I say this is because I genuinely believe that the UK is in general a fairly liberal western democracy.  Perhaps less so than it used to be, but certainly more so than say the US, where the republicans (and lately democrats) have had a fairly consistent bent on being more totalitarian with each generation.  I am in no way comparing it to Iran or Iraq or North Korea, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Myanmar (Burma), China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia... the list of countries where many more would like to get out (than get into) is long.  Other British Commonwealth countries are moving in the general direction of the US and UK (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India), although some to a lesser/greater degree depending on exactly what your bent is.  Changing from within is difficult (see Burma, China, Iran, etc.), but may be a better solution to just moving on.  My advice is free, but consider it at least a little.  Erosion of freedom is a constant concern everywhere.  Abandoning a fight where you are, only to face a similar fight in a new country in only a few years won't make your job there any easier.  At the very least, opt for a country that has genuine democratic rule, as opposed to a 'strong boss', corrupt and paid (see countries mentioned (Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Myanmar (Burma), China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of abandoning it , have you considered changing it from within ?
Its sometimes hard ( ok , sometimes very hard ) , but might be very worthwhile , not just for you , but for your fellow freedom-loving citizens .
Why I say this is because I genuinely believe that the UK is in general a fairly liberal western democracy .
Perhaps less so than it used to be , but certainly more so than say the US , where the republicans ( and lately democrats ) have had a fairly consistent bent on being more totalitarian with each generation .
I am in no way comparing it to Iran or Iraq or North Korea , Somalia , Zimbabwe , Myanmar ( Burma ) , China , Pakistan , Saudi Arabia... the list of countries where many more would like to get out ( than get into ) is long .
Other British Commonwealth countries are moving in the general direction of the US and UK ( Australia , Canada , New Zealand , India ) , although some to a lesser/greater degree depending on exactly what your bent is .
Changing from within is difficult ( see Burma , China , Iran , etc .
) , but may be a better solution to just moving on .
My advice is free , but consider it at least a little .
Erosion of freedom is a constant concern everywhere .
Abandoning a fight where you are , only to face a similar fight in a new country in only a few years wo n't make your job there any easier .
At the very least , opt for a country that has genuine democratic rule , as opposed to a 'strong boss ' , corrupt and paid ( see countries mentioned ( Iran , Iraq , North Korea , Somalia , Zimbabwe , Myanmar ( Burma ) , China , Pakistan , Saudi Arabia , etc .
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of abandoning it, have you considered changing it from within?
Its sometimes hard (ok, sometimes very hard), but might be very worthwhile, not just for you, but for your fellow freedom-loving citizens.
Why I say this is because I genuinely believe that the UK is in general a fairly liberal western democracy.
Perhaps less so than it used to be, but certainly more so than say the US, where the republicans (and lately democrats) have had a fairly consistent bent on being more totalitarian with each generation.
I am in no way comparing it to Iran or Iraq or North Korea, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Myanmar (Burma), China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia... the list of countries where many more would like to get out (than get into) is long.
Other British Commonwealth countries are moving in the general direction of the US and UK (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, India), although some to a lesser/greater degree depending on exactly what your bent is.
Changing from within is difficult (see Burma, China, Iran, etc.
), but may be a better solution to just moving on.
My advice is free, but consider it at least a little.
Erosion of freedom is a constant concern everywhere.
Abandoning a fight where you are, only to face a similar fight in a new country in only a few years won't make your job there any easier.
At the very least, opt for a country that has genuine democratic rule, as opposed to a 'strong boss', corrupt and paid (see countries mentioned (Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Myanmar (Burma), China, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc.
).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492943</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of choices in Europe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246095480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually you need to have Swiss Citizenship to vote.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually you need to have Swiss Citizenship to vote .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually you need to have Swiss Citizenship to vote.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491819</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492993</id>
	<title>Re:what kind of freedoms?</title>
	<author>TheLink</author>
	<datestamp>1246096080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Switzerland, good social freedoms in the "big picture". And has cities in the "best cities to live in" list.<br><br>It seems there are lots of social rules in the "small picture" though - when you can do your laundry, how untidy your garden can be, etc<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Switzerland , good social freedoms in the " big picture " .
And has cities in the " best cities to live in " list.It seems there are lots of social rules in the " small picture " though - when you can do your laundry , how untidy your garden can be , etc : ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland, good social freedoms in the "big picture".
And has cities in the "best cities to live in" list.It seems there are lots of social rules in the "small picture" though - when you can do your laundry, how untidy your garden can be, etc :).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491505</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492301</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1246045020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Europe has European Convention on Human Rights. Just because it isn't called "Constitution", just because signatory countries often have that term reserved for something else, doesn't change how it's very similar in function.</p><p>In practice it might depend on the country of course...but the submitter is able to easily find a close one that has utmost respect to the principles of the Convention. Probably moreso than USA has to its Constitution recently...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Europe has European Convention on Human Rights .
Just because it is n't called " Constitution " , just because signatory countries often have that term reserved for something else , does n't change how it 's very similar in function.In practice it might depend on the country of course...but the submitter is able to easily find a close one that has utmost respect to the principles of the Convention .
Probably moreso than USA has to its Constitution recently.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Europe has European Convention on Human Rights.
Just because it isn't called "Constitution", just because signatory countries often have that term reserved for something else, doesn't change how it's very similar in function.In practice it might depend on the country of course...but the submitter is able to easily find a close one that has utmost respect to the principles of the Convention.
Probably moreso than USA has to its Constitution recently...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491397</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494927</id>
	<title>Come to America.....</title>
	<author>catsRus</author>
	<datestamp>1246119600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>.....and pretend you are free like everyone else here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>.....and pretend you are free like everyone else here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.....and pretend you are free like everyone else here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494121</id>
	<title>Somalia!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246112160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easy choice: Somalia.  You can't get freer than a country with no government at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy choice : Somalia .
You ca n't get freer than a country with no government at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy choice: Somalia.
You can't get freer than a country with no government at all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493043</id>
	<title>Don't.</title>
	<author>reiisi</author>
	<datestamp>1246096740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Way down here, no one will see this, but it has been said by others.</p><p>Stay and fight for freedom where you are. That's the only real way to be free.</p><p>But you do need to know what real freedom is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Way down here , no one will see this , but it has been said by others.Stay and fight for freedom where you are .
That 's the only real way to be free.But you do need to know what real freedom is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Way down here, no one will see this, but it has been said by others.Stay and fight for freedom where you are.
That's the only real way to be free.But you do need to know what real freedom is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495073</id>
	<title>Come to the Philippines</title>
	<author>nicodoggie</author>
	<datestamp>1246120440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where laws have no meaning.</p><p>
We <i>do</i> have the standard set of copyright laws and such, but expect no enforcement. Same with traffic laws and such.
</p><p>
Privacy here is generally respected, just as long as you aren't a celebrity or high-level official
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where laws have no meaning .
We do have the standard set of copyright laws and such , but expect no enforcement .
Same with traffic laws and such .
Privacy here is generally respected , just as long as you are n't a celebrity or high-level official</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where laws have no meaning.
We do have the standard set of copyright laws and such, but expect no enforcement.
Same with traffic laws and such.
Privacy here is generally respected, just as long as you aren't a celebrity or high-level official
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496115</id>
	<title>The planet will be a police state</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246129620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even though I think you are probably a troll, anyone who expects to find much improved civil liberties outside the UK (now or in the future) is an idiot. Maybe if you move to some undeveloped 3rd world shit hole, you would probably have to fend for yourself against flesh-eating tropical diseases, lions and random genocidal bandits, but at least the Government wouldn't be logging every thoughtcrime being committed as you browse 4chan on a dial-up connection.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even though I think you are probably a troll , anyone who expects to find much improved civil liberties outside the UK ( now or in the future ) is an idiot .
Maybe if you move to some undeveloped 3rd world shit hole , you would probably have to fend for yourself against flesh-eating tropical diseases , lions and random genocidal bandits , but at least the Government would n't be logging every thoughtcrime being committed as you browse 4chan on a dial-up connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even though I think you are probably a troll, anyone who expects to find much improved civil liberties outside the UK (now or in the future) is an idiot.
Maybe if you move to some undeveloped 3rd world shit hole, you would probably have to fend for yourself against flesh-eating tropical diseases, lions and random genocidal bandits, but at least the Government wouldn't be logging every thoughtcrime being committed as you browse 4chan on a dial-up connection.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498427</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand of course</title>
	<author>dinther</author>
	<datestamp>1246102500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm being marked as flamebait? The moderator must be one of the Obama worshippers. It is sad to see the USA destroying itself while the Obamessiah  parades wide eyed in front of his teleprompter.</p><p>The UK guys asked for a good alternative to live. I gave him a very honest answer. Many people from the UK emigrate to New Zealand as do the clever ones from the USA.</p><p>It is no secret that New Zealand is rapidly becoming Ayn Rands Galt's Gultch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm being marked as flamebait ?
The moderator must be one of the Obama worshippers .
It is sad to see the USA destroying itself while the Obamessiah parades wide eyed in front of his teleprompter.The UK guys asked for a good alternative to live .
I gave him a very honest answer .
Many people from the UK emigrate to New Zealand as do the clever ones from the USA.It is no secret that New Zealand is rapidly becoming Ayn Rands Galt 's Gultch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm being marked as flamebait?
The moderator must be one of the Obama worshippers.
It is sad to see the USA destroying itself while the Obamessiah  parades wide eyed in front of his teleprompter.The UK guys asked for a good alternative to live.
I gave him a very honest answer.
Many people from the UK emigrate to New Zealand as do the clever ones from the USA.It is no secret that New Zealand is rapidly becoming Ayn Rands Galt's Gultch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491977</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28508355</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1246195980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have national [military] service in Switzerland don't they?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have national [ military ] service in Switzerland do n't they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have national [military] service in Switzerland don't they?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491775</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491861</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246040460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would avoid the US unless you are here to retire and planing on bring large sacks of money with you. Otherwise, there are few jobs and foreigners are not welcome to steal the few that remain. Both the current and previous presidents are morons, the previous one felt it was good for the economy to outsource high paying jobs, and the current one is trying to fix the economy by causing hyperinflation....</p><p>Try New Zealand, Australia, or Canada, the area near Baniff in Canada is wonderful, and I here they have had a big oil strike in Alberta. You<br>would still be close to the USA if you desire to shop (About a 1 day drive).</p><p>I'm seriously thinking of leaving the US I haven't been able to get a decent job here in nearly 5 years of trying...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would avoid the US unless you are here to retire and planing on bring large sacks of money with you .
Otherwise , there are few jobs and foreigners are not welcome to steal the few that remain .
Both the current and previous presidents are morons , the previous one felt it was good for the economy to outsource high paying jobs , and the current one is trying to fix the economy by causing hyperinflation....Try New Zealand , Australia , or Canada , the area near Baniff in Canada is wonderful , and I here they have had a big oil strike in Alberta .
Youwould still be close to the USA if you desire to shop ( About a 1 day drive ) .I 'm seriously thinking of leaving the US I have n't been able to get a decent job here in nearly 5 years of trying.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would avoid the US unless you are here to retire and planing on bring large sacks of money with you.
Otherwise, there are few jobs and foreigners are not welcome to steal the few that remain.
Both the current and previous presidents are morons, the previous one felt it was good for the economy to outsource high paying jobs, and the current one is trying to fix the economy by causing hyperinflation....Try New Zealand, Australia, or Canada, the area near Baniff in Canada is wonderful, and I here they have had a big oil strike in Alberta.
Youwould still be close to the USA if you desire to shop (About a 1 day drive).I'm seriously thinking of leaving the US I haven't been able to get a decent job here in nearly 5 years of trying...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491397</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494329</id>
	<title>How 'bout India?</title>
	<author>bhagwad</author>
	<datestamp>1246114020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try India - too many people to monitor, a democracy, and very importantly, a Supreme Court which is fiercely independent and allows for the filing of something called a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public\_Interest\_Litigation" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Public Interest Litigation (PIL)</a> [wikipedia.org] where you can take the government straight to the Supreme Court even if you're not directly affected by the policy in question.<br> <br>

If you live in the cities, you can speak all the English you want. Of course, it's less developed but the main difference is restriction in shopping choice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try India - too many people to monitor , a democracy , and very importantly , a Supreme Court which is fiercely independent and allows for the filing of something called a Public Interest Litigation ( PIL ) [ wikipedia.org ] where you can take the government straight to the Supreme Court even if you 're not directly affected by the policy in question .
If you live in the cities , you can speak all the English you want .
Of course , it 's less developed but the main difference is restriction in shopping choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try India - too many people to monitor, a democracy, and very importantly, a Supreme Court which is fiercely independent and allows for the filing of something called a Public Interest Litigation (PIL) [wikipedia.org] where you can take the government straight to the Supreme Court even if you're not directly affected by the policy in question.
If you live in the cities, you can speak all the English you want.
Of course, it's less developed but the main difference is restriction in shopping choice.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494525</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>ghallberg</author>
	<datestamp>1246115700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the US, though there certainly are hoops to jump through.</p></div><p>Immigrants but not refugees?

Accepting refugees from countries at war or under despotic government should be a given for any democratic country.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the US , though there certainly are hoops to jump through.Immigrants but not refugees ?
Accepting refugees from countries at war or under despotic government should be a given for any democratic country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the US, though there certainly are hoops to jump through.Immigrants but not refugees?
Accepting refugees from countries at war or under despotic government should be a given for any democratic country.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491981</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28502127</id>
	<title>Go to South Africa or Australia.</title>
	<author>francoisdp</author>
	<datestamp>1246184940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Living in South Africa and having been to the US and to Australia, I would suggest that you look at either South Africa or Australia.  My brother is currently in the UK and I know a number of other South Africans and Australians in the UK and they all have the same complaint: the rules.  South Africans and Australians usually play by different rules and any Brit who visits these contries for an extended time usually find out that something just works differently there.  You can usually also spot these guys at a mile when they are in England - they just function differently.

So come on over and have a look.  I have met a Englishmen in Sydney last year who share my ideas on this and have worked with a couple of Englishmen in SA who did not want to go back after the end of the projects.

PM me to find out more.  There are some great tech jobs over in both countries.

Francois</htmltext>
<tokenext>Living in South Africa and having been to the US and to Australia , I would suggest that you look at either South Africa or Australia .
My brother is currently in the UK and I know a number of other South Africans and Australians in the UK and they all have the same complaint : the rules .
South Africans and Australians usually play by different rules and any Brit who visits these contries for an extended time usually find out that something just works differently there .
You can usually also spot these guys at a mile when they are in England - they just function differently .
So come on over and have a look .
I have met a Englishmen in Sydney last year who share my ideas on this and have worked with a couple of Englishmen in SA who did not want to go back after the end of the projects .
PM me to find out more .
There are some great tech jobs over in both countries .
Francois</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Living in South Africa and having been to the US and to Australia, I would suggest that you look at either South Africa or Australia.
My brother is currently in the UK and I know a number of other South Africans and Australians in the UK and they all have the same complaint: the rules.
South Africans and Australians usually play by different rules and any Brit who visits these contries for an extended time usually find out that something just works differently there.
You can usually also spot these guys at a mile when they are in England - they just function differently.
So come on over and have a look.
I have met a Englishmen in Sydney last year who share my ideas on this and have worked with a couple of Englishmen in SA who did not want to go back after the end of the projects.
PM me to find out more.
There are some great tech jobs over in both countries.
Francois</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492443</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>ageoffri</author>
	<datestamp>1246132800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh puhleeez. Seriously? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen? You know, the one that has more resources than the next five biggest militaries COMBINED? I don't think you've thought about this very seriously. Yes, I know that's the same thing "they" said about facing down the British back in 1775, but we're living in a different world. How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters? Cruise missiles? Not to mention: in what terrain has the US military been *training* for the last two hundred years? To paraphrase an awful movie, "When the day comes that we have to go to war against Utah, we're [the US military] really gonna kick ass".</p></div><p>There are several things wrong with your argument.  First if the situation every gets so bad again that civilians take up arms in mass against the Federal government you can bet that the military will be divided.  There is no way to now for sure but each member of the military will have 3 broad choices.  They could follow the orders of the government and fight the civilians.  Secondly they could join the uprising and finally they could attempt to stay neutral.  Unless a large majority chose the first action things will be very messy.  Given the emphasis on "just following orders" not being a valid defense since the end of WWII expect many to think long and hard about how they react.</p><p>Next don't doubt that the extremist is the US have paid attention to Iraq and Afghanistan.  Personal firearms are largely for self-defense, I.E.D's and small mortars have proven to be extremely effective.  I.E.D's would be relatively easy to make in the US, with the abundance of basic materials and commercial explosives.  </p><p>Part of what the 2nd Amendment stands for is that people will have the basic tools to oppose tyranny, it doesn't mean that a civilian uprising is likely to succeed.  It is just part of the system of checks and balances that the US Government was designed to have.  Without any of the first 10 Amendments key parts of the structure are removed and it becomes easier for abuse.  The Bush years have had serious attacks against the 1st and 4th Amendments and I hope to see things like the Patriot Act revoked, but at the same time we can not allow the 2nd Amendment to be attacked and weakened.  </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh puhleeez .
Seriously ? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen ?
You know , the one that has more resources than the next five biggest militaries COMBINED ?
I do n't think you 've thought about this very seriously .
Yes , I know that 's the same thing " they " said about facing down the British back in 1775 , but we 're living in a different world .
How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters ?
Cruise missiles ?
Not to mention : in what terrain has the US military been * training * for the last two hundred years ?
To paraphrase an awful movie , " When the day comes that we have to go to war against Utah , we 're [ the US military ] really gon na kick ass " .There are several things wrong with your argument .
First if the situation every gets so bad again that civilians take up arms in mass against the Federal government you can bet that the military will be divided .
There is no way to now for sure but each member of the military will have 3 broad choices .
They could follow the orders of the government and fight the civilians .
Secondly they could join the uprising and finally they could attempt to stay neutral .
Unless a large majority chose the first action things will be very messy .
Given the emphasis on " just following orders " not being a valid defense since the end of WWII expect many to think long and hard about how they react.Next do n't doubt that the extremist is the US have paid attention to Iraq and Afghanistan .
Personal firearms are largely for self-defense , I.E.D 's and small mortars have proven to be extremely effective .
I.E.D 's would be relatively easy to make in the US , with the abundance of basic materials and commercial explosives .
Part of what the 2nd Amendment stands for is that people will have the basic tools to oppose tyranny , it does n't mean that a civilian uprising is likely to succeed .
It is just part of the system of checks and balances that the US Government was designed to have .
Without any of the first 10 Amendments key parts of the structure are removed and it becomes easier for abuse .
The Bush years have had serious attacks against the 1st and 4th Amendments and I hope to see things like the Patriot Act revoked , but at the same time we can not allow the 2nd Amendment to be attacked and weakened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh puhleeez.
Seriously? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen?
You know, the one that has more resources than the next five biggest militaries COMBINED?
I don't think you've thought about this very seriously.
Yes, I know that's the same thing "they" said about facing down the British back in 1775, but we're living in a different world.
How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters?
Cruise missiles?
Not to mention: in what terrain has the US military been *training* for the last two hundred years?
To paraphrase an awful movie, "When the day comes that we have to go to war against Utah, we're [the US military] really gonna kick ass".There are several things wrong with your argument.
First if the situation every gets so bad again that civilians take up arms in mass against the Federal government you can bet that the military will be divided.
There is no way to now for sure but each member of the military will have 3 broad choices.
They could follow the orders of the government and fight the civilians.
Secondly they could join the uprising and finally they could attempt to stay neutral.
Unless a large majority chose the first action things will be very messy.
Given the emphasis on "just following orders" not being a valid defense since the end of WWII expect many to think long and hard about how they react.Next don't doubt that the extremist is the US have paid attention to Iraq and Afghanistan.
Personal firearms are largely for self-defense, I.E.D's and small mortars have proven to be extremely effective.
I.E.D's would be relatively easy to make in the US, with the abundance of basic materials and commercial explosives.
Part of what the 2nd Amendment stands for is that people will have the basic tools to oppose tyranny, it doesn't mean that a civilian uprising is likely to succeed.
It is just part of the system of checks and balances that the US Government was designed to have.
Without any of the first 10 Amendments key parts of the structure are removed and it becomes easier for abuse.
The Bush years have had serious attacks against the 1st and 4th Amendments and I hope to see things like the Patriot Act revoked, but at the same time we can not allow the 2nd Amendment to be attacked and weakened.  
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491773</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493887</id>
	<title>Not Denmark</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246109160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Consider scratching Denmark from that list. Our rights and freedoms here in Denmark have been on a decline lately. Norway seems like a better choice imo. They even celebrate their constitution every year and talk about how important it is. In Denmark, an estimated 3000 websites are blocked, including sites like thepiratebay.org and allofmp3.com (only DNS blocked though, can be easily circumvented). In Norway, such blocking is absolutely out of the question (or so I've heard). Denmark is under a lot of control by EU. In Norway, that too is absolutely out of the question.</p><p>Also, if you do move to Denmark, be aware that you will probably have to pay a periodic licence just for owning a computer or cell phone that's hooked up to the internet, because such a connection allows you to view/stream public service TV and radio. They call it media licence, but it's also known as media tax, computer tax, or technology tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider scratching Denmark from that list .
Our rights and freedoms here in Denmark have been on a decline lately .
Norway seems like a better choice imo .
They even celebrate their constitution every year and talk about how important it is .
In Denmark , an estimated 3000 websites are blocked , including sites like thepiratebay.org and allofmp3.com ( only DNS blocked though , can be easily circumvented ) .
In Norway , such blocking is absolutely out of the question ( or so I 've heard ) .
Denmark is under a lot of control by EU .
In Norway , that too is absolutely out of the question.Also , if you do move to Denmark , be aware that you will probably have to pay a periodic licence just for owning a computer or cell phone that 's hooked up to the internet , because such a connection allows you to view/stream public service TV and radio .
They call it media licence , but it 's also known as media tax , computer tax , or technology tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider scratching Denmark from that list.
Our rights and freedoms here in Denmark have been on a decline lately.
Norway seems like a better choice imo.
They even celebrate their constitution every year and talk about how important it is.
In Denmark, an estimated 3000 websites are blocked, including sites like thepiratebay.org and allofmp3.com (only DNS blocked though, can be easily circumvented).
In Norway, such blocking is absolutely out of the question (or so I've heard).
Denmark is under a lot of control by EU.
In Norway, that too is absolutely out of the question.Also, if you do move to Denmark, be aware that you will probably have to pay a periodic licence just for owning a computer or cell phone that's hooked up to the internet, because such a connection allows you to view/stream public service TV and radio.
They call it media licence, but it's also known as media tax, computer tax, or technology tax.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491501</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493439</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand of course</title>
	<author>bogjobber</author>
	<datestamp>1246102080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh God, they have them in New Zealand too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh God , they have them in New Zealand too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh God, they have them in New Zealand too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491977</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494865</id>
	<title>Free State Project</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246119120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're <a href="http://www.freestateproject.org/" title="freestateproject.org" rel="nofollow">making a decent go at it</a> [freestateproject.org] in New Hampshire...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're making a decent go at it [ freestateproject.org ] in New Hampshire.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're making a decent go at it [freestateproject.org] in New Hampshire...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498419</id>
	<title>The moon</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1246102440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That is about the last free place that is close.  Any country that you might actually want to live in is slowly heading towards an overly oppressive government, if they aren't already there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is about the last free place that is close .
Any country that you might actually want to live in is slowly heading towards an overly oppressive government , if they are n't already there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is about the last free place that is close.
Any country that you might actually want to live in is slowly heading towards an overly oppressive government, if they aren't already there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494033</id>
	<title>Emmigration?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246111260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, you allowed your freedoms to pass in the country you're in, and now you want to move to another country and let your apathy undermine its "freer" state? I would strongly recommend you fix the country you're in, instead. Quit your job, focus on the problems you perceive, instead of running away from them. These people who are cordoning you won't simply stop at their current borders.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , you allowed your freedoms to pass in the country you 're in , and now you want to move to another country and let your apathy undermine its " freer " state ?
I would strongly recommend you fix the country you 're in , instead .
Quit your job , focus on the problems you perceive , instead of running away from them .
These people who are cordoning you wo n't simply stop at their current borders .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, you allowed your freedoms to pass in the country you're in, and now you want to move to another country and let your apathy undermine its "freer" state?
I would strongly recommend you fix the country you're in, instead.
Quit your job, focus on the problems you perceive, instead of running away from them.
These people who are cordoning you won't simply stop at their current borders.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493575</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246104060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just because Iran sucks does not invalidate his point or make it any less important. Maybe if a few in Iran thought like this a little earlier the place would be empty and the nut bags could rule themselves. I am all for bailing out when the place turns into a shithole. We did it to England when they where being shit heads and now its time to do it to America because we are most definitely shit heads. The unfortunate part is it seems that America has done a good job of turning most of the world into mini-americas at least in a legal sense. The other alternative is revolution (see Iran) which, when it is the last resort is not a bad option but, intellectual flight seems like are more peaceful path to getting away from the wackos. The problem is the wackos tend to follow once they realize that the golden goose flew the coupe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because Iran sucks does not invalidate his point or make it any less important .
Maybe if a few in Iran thought like this a little earlier the place would be empty and the nut bags could rule themselves .
I am all for bailing out when the place turns into a shithole .
We did it to England when they where being shit heads and now its time to do it to America because we are most definitely shit heads .
The unfortunate part is it seems that America has done a good job of turning most of the world into mini-americas at least in a legal sense .
The other alternative is revolution ( see Iran ) which , when it is the last resort is not a bad option but , intellectual flight seems like are more peaceful path to getting away from the wackos .
The problem is the wackos tend to follow once they realize that the golden goose flew the coupe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because Iran sucks does not invalidate his point or make it any less important.
Maybe if a few in Iran thought like this a little earlier the place would be empty and the nut bags could rule themselves.
I am all for bailing out when the place turns into a shithole.
We did it to England when they where being shit heads and now its time to do it to America because we are most definitely shit heads.
The unfortunate part is it seems that America has done a good job of turning most of the world into mini-americas at least in a legal sense.
The other alternative is revolution (see Iran) which, when it is the last resort is not a bad option but, intellectual flight seems like are more peaceful path to getting away from the wackos.
The problem is the wackos tend to follow once they realize that the golden goose flew the coupe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28506673</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246180860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Modern" ?</p><p>"English Speaking" ?</p><p>New Zealand ??!!????</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Modern " ?
" English Speaking " ? New Zealand ? ? ! ! ? ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Modern" ?
"English Speaking" ?New Zealand ??!!???
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491471</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492335</id>
	<title>You've already broken your search</title>
	<author>Zylogue</author>
	<datestamp>1246045260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Distance is not an issue, though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus."</p><p>This alone limits your freedoms.</p><p>Look at it this way, the more 'services' a government provides, then the more government there is.  Consider how 'free' the UK or the US were 10, 20, and 50 years ago.  Look into the size of their respective governments and how much the current governments 'supply' as services.  With the increase of services the more restrictive the government becomes so the services are more needed.  Government, when left to a general populace so easily swayed by FUD as the Brits and the Americans (which I am one) are, will always grow and become self-perpetuating.</p><p>Zylogue</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Distance is not an issue , though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus .
" This alone limits your freedoms.Look at it this way , the more 'services ' a government provides , then the more government there is .
Consider how 'free ' the UK or the US were 10 , 20 , and 50 years ago .
Look into the size of their respective governments and how much the current governments 'supply ' as services .
With the increase of services the more restrictive the government becomes so the services are more needed .
Government , when left to a general populace so easily swayed by FUD as the Brits and the Americans ( which I am one ) are , will always grow and become self-perpetuating.Zylogue</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Distance is not an issue, though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus.
"This alone limits your freedoms.Look at it this way, the more 'services' a government provides, then the more government there is.
Consider how 'free' the UK or the US were 10, 20, and 50 years ago.
Look into the size of their respective governments and how much the current governments 'supply' as services.
With the increase of services the more restrictive the government becomes so the services are more needed.
Government, when left to a general populace so easily swayed by FUD as the Brits and the Americans (which I am one) are, will always grow and become self-perpetuating.Zylogue</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491499</id>
	<title>Canada would be a very good choice!</title>
	<author>uchar</author>
	<datestamp>1246037820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would recommend you to go to Montreal, Quebec, Canada... you would love it for sure, as for privacy, services and so on... you will have everything you wish for!!!  Privacy is one of the top sensitive subject here, even inter-governmental institution doesn't share personal information on citizen... If there's camera on some street, they aren't allowed to record anything...  Here you have nature minutes away, beautiful women on every corner and lots of entertainment...  Most of all, you won't find a city offering that much for that cheap!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would recommend you to go to Montreal , Quebec , Canada... you would love it for sure , as for privacy , services and so on... you will have everything you wish for ! ! !
Privacy is one of the top sensitive subject here , even inter-governmental institution does n't share personal information on citizen... If there 's camera on some street , they are n't allowed to record anything... Here you have nature minutes away , beautiful women on every corner and lots of entertainment... Most of all , you wo n't find a city offering that much for that cheap !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would recommend you to go to Montreal, Quebec, Canada... you would love it for sure, as for privacy, services and so on... you will have everything you wish for!!!
Privacy is one of the top sensitive subject here, even inter-governmental institution doesn't share personal information on citizen... If there's camera on some street, they aren't allowed to record anything...  Here you have nature minutes away, beautiful women on every corner and lots of entertainment...  Most of all, you won't find a city offering that much for that cheap!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28500089</id>
	<title>Privacy? Easy, Greece is #1</title>
	<author>Ecuador</author>
	<datestamp>1246116180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't really have to read the <a href="http://www.privacyinternational.org/survey/rankings2007/phrcomp\_sort.pdf" title="privacyinternational.org">privacy report</a> [privacyinternational.org] which ranks Greece at a comfortable #1. I come from Greece and I happen to know first hand how obsessed the "Personal Data Protection Agency" is with privacy. I actually find it silly that they won't even allow google street view, or even police cameras in public spaces. The only area where Greece does not rank higher in privacy is telecommunications, my guess is due to the fact that there was a well known wiretapping case. Of course the fact that the wiretaps were on politicians of all parties and especially of the governing party kind of tells you that it was not the Greeks who were doing the wiretapping (if you get my drift). But I digress. Anyway, after 6 years in NYC I am going back to Greece as well. My wife especially is sick of the feeling she gets that she is in "1984" (your belongings are subject to search, thumbprints please etc), and of course the climate is really annoying to both of us. We briefly considered going to the UK, however we have the same concerns you have, plus the Greek climate cannot be beat. Well, actually it can be equaled by Spain and Italy, but people don't speak English there, whereas most not too old people speak English in Greece. Now, the wages are much lower than the UK, however people manage to have a much better quality of life than, for example, most parts of the US, and housing, services etc are not as expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't really have to read the privacy report [ privacyinternational.org ] which ranks Greece at a comfortable # 1 .
I come from Greece and I happen to know first hand how obsessed the " Personal Data Protection Agency " is with privacy .
I actually find it silly that they wo n't even allow google street view , or even police cameras in public spaces .
The only area where Greece does not rank higher in privacy is telecommunications , my guess is due to the fact that there was a well known wiretapping case .
Of course the fact that the wiretaps were on politicians of all parties and especially of the governing party kind of tells you that it was not the Greeks who were doing the wiretapping ( if you get my drift ) .
But I digress .
Anyway , after 6 years in NYC I am going back to Greece as well .
My wife especially is sick of the feeling she gets that she is in " 1984 " ( your belongings are subject to search , thumbprints please etc ) , and of course the climate is really annoying to both of us .
We briefly considered going to the UK , however we have the same concerns you have , plus the Greek climate can not be beat .
Well , actually it can be equaled by Spain and Italy , but people do n't speak English there , whereas most not too old people speak English in Greece .
Now , the wages are much lower than the UK , however people manage to have a much better quality of life than , for example , most parts of the US , and housing , services etc are not as expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't really have to read the privacy report [privacyinternational.org] which ranks Greece at a comfortable #1.
I come from Greece and I happen to know first hand how obsessed the "Personal Data Protection Agency" is with privacy.
I actually find it silly that they won't even allow google street view, or even police cameras in public spaces.
The only area where Greece does not rank higher in privacy is telecommunications, my guess is due to the fact that there was a well known wiretapping case.
Of course the fact that the wiretaps were on politicians of all parties and especially of the governing party kind of tells you that it was not the Greeks who were doing the wiretapping (if you get my drift).
But I digress.
Anyway, after 6 years in NYC I am going back to Greece as well.
My wife especially is sick of the feeling she gets that she is in "1984" (your belongings are subject to search, thumbprints please etc), and of course the climate is really annoying to both of us.
We briefly considered going to the UK, however we have the same concerns you have, plus the Greek climate cannot be beat.
Well, actually it can be equaled by Spain and Italy, but people don't speak English there, whereas most not too old people speak English in Greece.
Now, the wages are much lower than the UK, however people manage to have a much better quality of life than, for example, most parts of the US, and housing, services etc are not as expensive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493527</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1246103520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Most of the people there will speak english to some degree, which should make communicating a little easier</p></div><p>Dude, have you ever been outside Helsinki? There was nobody, and I mean nobody, that spoke any English apart from people at the tourist places the last time I was there.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the people there will speak english to some degree , which should make communicating a little easierDude , have you ever been outside Helsinki ?
There was nobody , and I mean nobody , that spoke any English apart from people at the tourist places the last time I was there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the people there will speak english to some degree, which should make communicating a little easierDude, have you ever been outside Helsinki?
There was nobody, and I mean nobody, that spoke any English apart from people at the tourist places the last time I was there.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492477</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>TheoMurpse</author>
	<datestamp>1246133220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And their President looks like Conan O'Brien!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And their President looks like Conan O'Brien !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And their President looks like Conan O'Brien!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491933</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246041060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He would also have to be okay with the thought of being converted....to Rugby.</p><p>Which is a good thing in itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He would also have to be okay with the thought of being converted....to Rugby.Which is a good thing in itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He would also have to be okay with the thought of being converted....to Rugby.Which is a good thing in itself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491471</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492747</id>
	<title>If you like carnival and rapso, you'll love T&amp;</title>
	<author>WidgetGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1246093560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A few years back, I looked into emigrating to Trinidad and Tobago.  The official language is English with a parliamentary form of democratic government.  There are two types of English spoken: standard (British accent) English and "Trini" English.  The latter is quite melodic but can be quite a challenge for an English-speaking person to understand at first.

When I was researching the place a few years back, tne US dollar was good for six T&amp;T dollars.  This would be great for retirees at 6 times your SSA check -- if they would allow any in.    <br> <br>

T&amp;T is one of the richest Caribbean nations (due to offshore oil discovered recently). Tobago is about six miles off the coast of Argentina and both islands are below the "hurricane belt" (indeed, they are a port of refuge during the hurricane season for yachts and larger craft whose owners do not take them north and who still want to keep them insured).    <br> <br>

The capital is Port of Spain (the Spanish ran the place for quite some time before the British kicked them out).  There are many beautiful Spanish ruins.   <br> <br>

Trinidad is the butterfly capitol of the world.  They are very big into cricket and football (soccer, for us Americans).   <br> <br>

Internet connectivity is good, but expensive (compared to the UK or US).  It's actually cheaper (in the long run) to buy your own Hughes satellite ground station and use them as your ISP (of course, when it rains...).  A very nice setup with dish and all is only about US$2500.00.  Otherwise, you're at the mercy of the (one and only) local telephone company.  I believe it was $350 (T&amp;T) a month for "high speed" (DSL 1.5Mbs).  But, I'm working from memory, so make sure to check the current speeds and rates.  <br> <br>

T&amp;T ranks in the "high" UN HDI (along with US, Canada, et al.) group.  Their immigration rules at the time I was looking were pretty exclusionary, though.  Basically, you had to be a direct blood relative of a T&amp;T citizen or married to one.  Even in the married case, you might have to wait years to get your permanent residency papers.  During that time, you have to leave and return to your "from" country every six months.  Forget it if you're over 50 and not in either of those categories.  Forget it if you have health issues (e.g., cardiovascular/hypertension, diabetes -- basically, any chronic, incurable illness).  But, given the number of Indians and Middle Easterners living there, my suspicion is there must be another way (wink, wink) to get in.  Also, the Caribbean nations were planning to adopt a uniform immigration policy.  They may have done that by now and that may have changed some of the requirements.<br> <br>

Anyhow, nice place to take a vacation and check it out.  Rainy season is our (northern hemisphere's) summer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A few years back , I looked into emigrating to Trinidad and Tobago .
The official language is English with a parliamentary form of democratic government .
There are two types of English spoken : standard ( British accent ) English and " Trini " English .
The latter is quite melodic but can be quite a challenge for an English-speaking person to understand at first .
When I was researching the place a few years back , tne US dollar was good for six T&amp;T dollars .
This would be great for retirees at 6 times your SSA check -- if they would allow any in .
T&amp;T is one of the richest Caribbean nations ( due to offshore oil discovered recently ) .
Tobago is about six miles off the coast of Argentina and both islands are below the " hurricane belt " ( indeed , they are a port of refuge during the hurricane season for yachts and larger craft whose owners do not take them north and who still want to keep them insured ) .
The capital is Port of Spain ( the Spanish ran the place for quite some time before the British kicked them out ) .
There are many beautiful Spanish ruins .
Trinidad is the butterfly capitol of the world .
They are very big into cricket and football ( soccer , for us Americans ) .
Internet connectivity is good , but expensive ( compared to the UK or US ) .
It 's actually cheaper ( in the long run ) to buy your own Hughes satellite ground station and use them as your ISP ( of course , when it rains... ) .
A very nice setup with dish and all is only about US $ 2500.00 .
Otherwise , you 're at the mercy of the ( one and only ) local telephone company .
I believe it was $ 350 ( T&amp;T ) a month for " high speed " ( DSL 1.5Mbs ) .
But , I 'm working from memory , so make sure to check the current speeds and rates .
T&amp;T ranks in the " high " UN HDI ( along with US , Canada , et al .
) group .
Their immigration rules at the time I was looking were pretty exclusionary , though .
Basically , you had to be a direct blood relative of a T&amp;T citizen or married to one .
Even in the married case , you might have to wait years to get your permanent residency papers .
During that time , you have to leave and return to your " from " country every six months .
Forget it if you 're over 50 and not in either of those categories .
Forget it if you have health issues ( e.g. , cardiovascular/hypertension , diabetes -- basically , any chronic , incurable illness ) .
But , given the number of Indians and Middle Easterners living there , my suspicion is there must be another way ( wink , wink ) to get in .
Also , the Caribbean nations were planning to adopt a uniform immigration policy .
They may have done that by now and that may have changed some of the requirements .
Anyhow , nice place to take a vacation and check it out .
Rainy season is our ( northern hemisphere 's ) summer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few years back, I looked into emigrating to Trinidad and Tobago.
The official language is English with a parliamentary form of democratic government.
There are two types of English spoken: standard (British accent) English and "Trini" English.
The latter is quite melodic but can be quite a challenge for an English-speaking person to understand at first.
When I was researching the place a few years back, tne US dollar was good for six T&amp;T dollars.
This would be great for retirees at 6 times your SSA check -- if they would allow any in.
T&amp;T is one of the richest Caribbean nations (due to offshore oil discovered recently).
Tobago is about six miles off the coast of Argentina and both islands are below the "hurricane belt" (indeed, they are a port of refuge during the hurricane season for yachts and larger craft whose owners do not take them north and who still want to keep them insured).
The capital is Port of Spain (the Spanish ran the place for quite some time before the British kicked them out).
There are many beautiful Spanish ruins.
Trinidad is the butterfly capitol of the world.
They are very big into cricket and football (soccer, for us Americans).
Internet connectivity is good, but expensive (compared to the UK or US).
It's actually cheaper (in the long run) to buy your own Hughes satellite ground station and use them as your ISP (of course, when it rains...).
A very nice setup with dish and all is only about US$2500.00.
Otherwise, you're at the mercy of the (one and only) local telephone company.
I believe it was $350 (T&amp;T) a month for "high speed" (DSL 1.5Mbs).
But, I'm working from memory, so make sure to check the current speeds and rates.
T&amp;T ranks in the "high" UN HDI (along with US, Canada, et al.
) group.
Their immigration rules at the time I was looking were pretty exclusionary, though.
Basically, you had to be a direct blood relative of a T&amp;T citizen or married to one.
Even in the married case, you might have to wait years to get your permanent residency papers.
During that time, you have to leave and return to your "from" country every six months.
Forget it if you're over 50 and not in either of those categories.
Forget it if you have health issues (e.g., cardiovascular/hypertension, diabetes -- basically, any chronic, incurable illness).
But, given the number of Indians and Middle Easterners living there, my suspicion is there must be another way (wink, wink) to get in.
Also, the Caribbean nations were planning to adopt a uniform immigration policy.
They may have done that by now and that may have changed some of the requirements.
Anyhow, nice place to take a vacation and check it out.
Rainy season is our (northern hemisphere's) summer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28499417</id>
	<title>Brad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246110900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mexico. If you've got just ~$50k, you can basically buy your own town down there, and do whatever the hell you want.</p><p>Former Governor/actor/wrestler/football player Jesse Ventura now lives in Mexico on a large compound that he has built fairly cheaply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mexico .
If you 've got just ~ $ 50k , you can basically buy your own town down there , and do whatever the hell you want.Former Governor/actor/wrestler/football player Jesse Ventura now lives in Mexico on a large compound that he has built fairly cheaply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mexico.
If you've got just ~$50k, you can basically buy your own town down there, and do whatever the hell you want.Former Governor/actor/wrestler/football player Jesse Ventura now lives in Mexico on a large compound that he has built fairly cheaply.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496807</id>
	<title>Four more years</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246134660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait four more years, then see if the US is still freer or not.  Wish us, US, luck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait four more years , then see if the US is still freer or not .
Wish us , US , luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait four more years, then see if the US is still freer or not.
Wish us, US, luck.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28500021</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246115700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's just doing what the Mexicans are doing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's just doing what the Mexicans are doing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's just doing what the Mexicans are doing...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491517</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492117</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>D H NG</author>
	<datestamp>1246042800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like most European countries, citizenship in Finland is by blood, not by land.  That means that even if you're born in Finland to non-Finnish parents, you do not have suffrage.  The naturalization process in the Old World is also much harder than in the New World.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like most European countries , citizenship in Finland is by blood , not by land .
That means that even if you 're born in Finland to non-Finnish parents , you do not have suffrage .
The naturalization process in the Old World is also much harder than in the New World .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like most European countries, citizenship in Finland is by blood, not by land.
That means that even if you're born in Finland to non-Finnish parents, you do not have suffrage.
The naturalization process in the Old World is also much harder than in the New World.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492565</id>
	<title>Sable Island</title>
	<author>kawabago</author>
	<datestamp>1246134300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about Sable Island?  Miles of sandy beaches off picturesque Nova Scotia.  Lot's of privacy, just you and the horses!</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about Sable Island ?
Miles of sandy beaches off picturesque Nova Scotia .
Lot 's of privacy , just you and the horses !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about Sable Island?
Miles of sandy beaches off picturesque Nova Scotia.
Lot's of privacy, just you and the horses!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498401</id>
	<title>Maybe Argentina</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246102260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's begin with some cons:</p><ul> <li>ID is compulsory.</li><li>Spanish-speaking (you will have to learn it.)</li></ul><p>However, you have some good points:</p><ul> <li>As well as if you moved to a country in the EU, you are not treated "differently" for being foreign.</li><li>Freedom of speech is granted constitutionally.</li><li>One of the most HDIs in America.</li><li>If you moved, for instance, to Tierra del Fuego (somewhat cold weather),you wouldn't pay taxes to fe Federal Government such as VAT.</li><li>Software development is a rapidly growing sector currently.</li><li>Internet is mostly unrestricted.</li><li>Relatively <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PPP2003.svg" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">low prices</a> [wikipedia.org].</li><li>Public health and education (even colleges) are mostly free.</li><li>Laws regarding privacy are quite good.</li></ul><p>Of course that many of the suggestions you were given are pretty good, and under any circumstances, of course you should check carefully all these aspects in the country you choose before moving permanently.</p><p>Good luck!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's begin with some cons : ID is compulsory.Spanish-speaking ( you will have to learn it .
) However , you have some good points : As well as if you moved to a country in the EU , you are not treated " differently " for being foreign.Freedom of speech is granted constitutionally.One of the most HDIs in America.If you moved , for instance , to Tierra del Fuego ( somewhat cold weather ) ,you would n't pay taxes to fe Federal Government such as VAT.Software development is a rapidly growing sector currently.Internet is mostly unrestricted.Relatively low prices [ wikipedia.org ] .Public health and education ( even colleges ) are mostly free.Laws regarding privacy are quite good.Of course that many of the suggestions you were given are pretty good , and under any circumstances , of course you should check carefully all these aspects in the country you choose before moving permanently.Good luck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's begin with some cons: ID is compulsory.Spanish-speaking (you will have to learn it.
)However, you have some good points: As well as if you moved to a country in the EU, you are not treated "differently" for being foreign.Freedom of speech is granted constitutionally.One of the most HDIs in America.If you moved, for instance, to Tierra del Fuego (somewhat cold weather),you wouldn't pay taxes to fe Federal Government such as VAT.Software development is a rapidly growing sector currently.Internet is mostly unrestricted.Relatively low prices [wikipedia.org].Public health and education (even colleges) are mostly free.Laws regarding privacy are quite good.Of course that many of the suggestions you were given are pretty good, and under any circumstances, of course you should check carefully all these aspects in the country you choose before moving permanently.Good luck!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28513391</id>
	<title>Re:Not the U.S.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246287000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I reject the very concept of "race war", etc.  There is only one race - the Human Race.</p><p>However, I do not reject the idea of a coming Civil War.  On one hand, you have the Constitution and the writings of its authors to help clarify its meaning and intent.  On the other, you have the existing Socialist/Fascist state with its growing tendrils into everything it is supposedly forbidden from getting into.  Those two diametrically opposed states of existence cannot coincide for long before something breaks.</p><p>I fear for my children and grandchildren, for when the straw finally comes which breaks the camel's back, all hell will break loose and the outcome is unpredictable. Even if it is a positive outcome (whichever viewpoint applies to you), it will not come without a terrible cost. The ancient curse "May you live in interesting times" comes to mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I reject the very concept of " race war " , etc .
There is only one race - the Human Race.However , I do not reject the idea of a coming Civil War .
On one hand , you have the Constitution and the writings of its authors to help clarify its meaning and intent .
On the other , you have the existing Socialist/Fascist state with its growing tendrils into everything it is supposedly forbidden from getting into .
Those two diametrically opposed states of existence can not coincide for long before something breaks.I fear for my children and grandchildren , for when the straw finally comes which breaks the camel 's back , all hell will break loose and the outcome is unpredictable .
Even if it is a positive outcome ( whichever viewpoint applies to you ) , it will not come without a terrible cost .
The ancient curse " May you live in interesting times " comes to mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I reject the very concept of "race war", etc.
There is only one race - the Human Race.However, I do not reject the idea of a coming Civil War.
On one hand, you have the Constitution and the writings of its authors to help clarify its meaning and intent.
On the other, you have the existing Socialist/Fascist state with its growing tendrils into everything it is supposedly forbidden from getting into.
Those two diametrically opposed states of existence cannot coincide for long before something breaks.I fear for my children and grandchildren, for when the straw finally comes which breaks the camel's back, all hell will break loose and the outcome is unpredictable.
Even if it is a positive outcome (whichever viewpoint applies to you), it will not come without a terrible cost.
The ancient curse "May you live in interesting times" comes to mind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491487</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493001</id>
	<title>Re:Canada would be a very good choice!</title>
	<author>jacquie\_mt99</author>
	<datestamp>1246096140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree, Canada is a good place to set your sights, but Quebec might not be the best place for the most English of English speakers.  There are a lot of restrictions on employment in Quebec, if you don't read, write and speak French fluently.  Although Montreal is starting to move away from this French-purist attitude, employment is still challenging, to say the least.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , Canada is a good place to set your sights , but Quebec might not be the best place for the most English of English speakers .
There are a lot of restrictions on employment in Quebec , if you do n't read , write and speak French fluently .
Although Montreal is starting to move away from this French-purist attitude , employment is still challenging , to say the least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, Canada is a good place to set your sights, but Quebec might not be the best place for the most English of English speakers.
There are a lot of restrictions on employment in Quebec, if you don't read, write and speak French fluently.
Although Montreal is starting to move away from this French-purist attitude, employment is still challenging, to say the least.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491499</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496153</id>
	<title>USA, until Barack Obama</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246130040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The U.S. would have been a good choice, as long as it seemed Republicans would continue to dominate the Presidency, and repel the Democrats' impulses toward socialism and authoritarianism.  Unfortunately, America is headed toward repeating the mistakes not only of European Socialism, but Latin and South American State (Nationalized) Socialism.</p><p>Whatever you do, don't look to the U.S.  A free country it is not, under the Democrats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The U.S. would have been a good choice , as long as it seemed Republicans would continue to dominate the Presidency , and repel the Democrats ' impulses toward socialism and authoritarianism .
Unfortunately , America is headed toward repeating the mistakes not only of European Socialism , but Latin and South American State ( Nationalized ) Socialism.Whatever you do , do n't look to the U.S. A free country it is not , under the Democrats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The U.S. would have been a good choice, as long as it seemed Republicans would continue to dominate the Presidency, and repel the Democrats' impulses toward socialism and authoritarianism.
Unfortunately, America is headed toward repeating the mistakes not only of European Socialism, but Latin and South American State (Nationalized) Socialism.Whatever you do, don't look to the U.S.  A free country it is not, under the Democrats.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492817</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>jabithew</author>
	<datestamp>1246094040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Politicians overwhelmingly don't have support for what they're doing. Turnout at the last general election was something like 36\%. which means that the winner was "none of the above". The trouble is that our Westminister politicos have no power now. It's all been sent up to Brussels and Strasbourg or sent across to QUANGOs (e.g. NICE). New Labour has completely undermined Parliament at the Westminister level by allowing the Government to treat Parliament as a minor detail. MPs are now, broadly speaking, a waste of valuable London air.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Politicians overwhelmingly do n't have support for what they 're doing .
Turnout at the last general election was something like 36 \ % .
which means that the winner was " none of the above " .
The trouble is that our Westminister politicos have no power now .
It 's all been sent up to Brussels and Strasbourg or sent across to QUANGOs ( e.g .
NICE ) . New Labour has completely undermined Parliament at the Westminister level by allowing the Government to treat Parliament as a minor detail .
MPs are now , broadly speaking , a waste of valuable London air .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Politicians overwhelmingly don't have support for what they're doing.
Turnout at the last general election was something like 36\%.
which means that the winner was "none of the above".
The trouble is that our Westminister politicos have no power now.
It's all been sent up to Brussels and Strasbourg or sent across to QUANGOs (e.g.
NICE). New Labour has completely undermined Parliament at the Westminister level by allowing the Government to treat Parliament as a minor detail.
MPs are now, broadly speaking, a waste of valuable London air.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491705</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491657</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>joocemann</author>
	<datestamp>1246038840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well put.</p><p>I had modpoints earlier, but now they are gone...</p><p>+1 Interesting</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well put.I had modpoints earlier , but now they are gone... + 1 Interesting</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well put.I had modpoints earlier, but now they are gone...+1 Interesting</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491397</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498435</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>an unsound mind</author>
	<datestamp>1246102560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, what?</p><p>Surveillance cameras are everywhere? I haven't seen a security camera not privately installed in ages now, if ever. Are you trying to say it's a bad thing shops are allowed to install security cameras if they so desire?</p><p>You have to give your ID everywhere? Only times I need ID are when buying booze or other restricted items - and when I need to prove my identity. I can easily go months without showing my ID anywhere - given I don't drive and I stock up on the booze when I buy it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , what ? Surveillance cameras are everywhere ?
I have n't seen a security camera not privately installed in ages now , if ever .
Are you trying to say it 's a bad thing shops are allowed to install security cameras if they so desire ? You have to give your ID everywhere ?
Only times I need ID are when buying booze or other restricted items - and when I need to prove my identity .
I can easily go months without showing my ID anywhere - given I do n't drive and I stock up on the booze when I buy it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, what?Surveillance cameras are everywhere?
I haven't seen a security camera not privately installed in ages now, if ever.
Are you trying to say it's a bad thing shops are allowed to install security cameras if they so desire?You have to give your ID everywhere?
Only times I need ID are when buying booze or other restricted items - and when I need to prove my identity.
I can easily go months without showing my ID anywhere - given I don't drive and I stock up on the booze when I buy it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492713</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493345</id>
	<title>Honestly</title>
	<author>tkioz</author>
	<datestamp>1246100640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be bluntly honest I don't think there is a country left in the world that isn't heading in the direction you want to get away from, at least not one any sane person would like to live in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be bluntly honest I do n't think there is a country left in the world that is n't heading in the direction you want to get away from , at least not one any sane person would like to live in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be bluntly honest I don't think there is a country left in the world that isn't heading in the direction you want to get away from, at least not one any sane person would like to live in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492445</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>myowntrueself</author>
	<datestamp>1246132800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>New Zealand suffers from small town mentality.</p><p>Its very rural, even the cities are really just very large 'small country towns'.</p><p>The shops are pretty limited in what they stock, theres very little variety in the stores.</p><p>The people are slack, lazy and highly disorganised.</p><p>NZ businesses are, by and large, extremely poorly run and the management style leaves a LOT to be desired.</p><p>Theres a saying here "She'll be right mate"</p><p>It means "Don't worry about something that appears to be almost a disaster, it'll be ok"</p><p>Usually when you hear a kiwi say this phrase DUCK because something is about to explode.</p><p>I'm even considering going to the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New Zealand suffers from small town mentality.Its very rural , even the cities are really just very large 'small country towns'.The shops are pretty limited in what they stock , theres very little variety in the stores.The people are slack , lazy and highly disorganised.NZ businesses are , by and large , extremely poorly run and the management style leaves a LOT to be desired.Theres a saying here " She 'll be right mate " It means " Do n't worry about something that appears to be almost a disaster , it 'll be ok " Usually when you hear a kiwi say this phrase DUCK because something is about to explode.I 'm even considering going to the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Zealand suffers from small town mentality.Its very rural, even the cities are really just very large 'small country towns'.The shops are pretty limited in what they stock, theres very little variety in the stores.The people are slack, lazy and highly disorganised.NZ businesses are, by and large, extremely poorly run and the management style leaves a LOT to be desired.Theres a saying here "She'll be right mate"It means "Don't worry about something that appears to be almost a disaster, it'll be ok"Usually when you hear a kiwi say this phrase DUCK because something is about to explode.I'm even considering going to the UK.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495343</id>
	<title>Good luck with that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246122600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus."</p><p>Unfortunately, all the oppression you speak of has resulted at the desire for the above. People use government to keep their jobs, pay their medical expenses and other such things. If I can force you to pay me more,  pay my bills and fight my wars, everything will be great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus .
" Unfortunately , all the oppression you speak of has resulted at the desire for the above .
People use government to keep their jobs , pay their medical expenses and other such things .
If I can force you to pay me more , pay my bills and fight my wars , everything will be great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus.
"Unfortunately, all the oppression you speak of has resulted at the desire for the above.
People use government to keep their jobs, pay their medical expenses and other such things.
If I can force you to pay me more,  pay my bills and fight my wars, everything will be great.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492763</id>
	<title>go on then...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246093620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Idiot. You think the tories are going to worse than labour? They have already stated they will scrap the ID card and reduce speed cameras.</p><p>Please do move somewhere else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Idiot .
You think the tories are going to worse than labour ?
They have already stated they will scrap the ID card and reduce speed cameras.Please do move somewhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Idiot.
You think the tories are going to worse than labour?
They have already stated they will scrap the ID card and reduce speed cameras.Please do move somewhere else.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491307</id>
	<title>How about Belize?</title>
	<author>mhx</author>
	<datestamp>1246036620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belize" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belize</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belize [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belize [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493487</id>
	<title>Germany</title>
	<author>Frans Faase</author>
	<datestamp>1246102860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not so long ago, I came across a website on which Germany got the highest score with respect to the protection of human rights such as privacy and the freedom of speech.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not so long ago , I came across a website on which Germany got the highest score with respect to the protection of human rights such as privacy and the freedom of speech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not so long ago, I came across a website on which Germany got the highest score with respect to the protection of human rights such as privacy and the freedom of speech.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492337</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>Dustie</author>
	<datestamp>1246045260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about Norway? I'd rather move there but Switzerland could be okay too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about Norway ?
I 'd rather move there but Switzerland could be okay too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about Norway?
I'd rather move there but Switzerland could be okay too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492581</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Korey Kaczor</author>
	<datestamp>1246134600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>#2: As a culture, we prize freedom the way Israel prizes "Islam" or Iran prizes "never again"</p></div></blockquote><p>Fixed for you, after I considered the 2008 presidential debates.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext># 2 : As a culture , we prize freedom the way Israel prizes " Islam " or Iran prizes " never again " Fixed for you , after I considered the 2008 presidential debates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>#2: As a culture, we prize freedom the way Israel prizes "Islam" or Iran prizes "never again"Fixed for you, after I considered the 2008 presidential debates.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491397</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497153</id>
	<title>Look At Gun Laws</title>
	<author>DustoneGT</author>
	<datestamp>1246093800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately the last best defense against tyranny is the personally-owned firearm. Your government already took your guns and they are now no longer afraid of you. They think they can do whatever they want and they are probably right.<br> <br>
There are a few places in the United States, the Four Corners states (NM, AZ, UT, CO), Idaho, Montana, Texas and New Hampshire. They haven't disarmed us yet and they are not going to. I've tried to look at other countries to move to and there's truly nowhere for somebody like me to run. Join us where we still have a chance to fight and eventually we may just liberate the UK again so you can go back.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately the last best defense against tyranny is the personally-owned firearm .
Your government already took your guns and they are now no longer afraid of you .
They think they can do whatever they want and they are probably right .
There are a few places in the United States , the Four Corners states ( NM , AZ , UT , CO ) , Idaho , Montana , Texas and New Hampshire .
They have n't disarmed us yet and they are not going to .
I 've tried to look at other countries to move to and there 's truly nowhere for somebody like me to run .
Join us where we still have a chance to fight and eventually we may just liberate the UK again so you can go back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately the last best defense against tyranny is the personally-owned firearm.
Your government already took your guns and they are now no longer afraid of you.
They think they can do whatever they want and they are probably right.
There are a few places in the United States, the Four Corners states (NM, AZ, UT, CO), Idaho, Montana, Texas and New Hampshire.
They haven't disarmed us yet and they are not going to.
I've tried to look at other countries to move to and there's truly nowhere for somebody like me to run.
Join us where we still have a chance to fight and eventually we may just liberate the UK again so you can go back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493753</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246107240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in Switzerland (moved from the UK), and I back this comment totally. It's the only *actual functioning* democracy on the planet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Switzerland ( moved from the UK ) , and I back this comment totally .
It 's the only * actual functioning * democracy on the planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Switzerland (moved from the UK), and I back this comment totally.
It's the only *actual functioning* democracy on the planet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491775</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492451</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246132860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The US is HUGE and extremely diverse.  Pick your climate, scenery, culture, government, etc., and you'll find it somewhere in the US.</p></div><p>Mm-hmm. Any blanket statement of America doesn't work because parts of the country hate and would never be like other parts of the country.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The US is HUGE and extremely diverse .
Pick your climate , scenery , culture , government , etc. , and you 'll find it somewhere in the US.Mm-hmm .
Any blanket statement of America does n't work because parts of the country hate and would never be like other parts of the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US is HUGE and extremely diverse.
Pick your climate, scenery, culture, government, etc., and you'll find it somewhere in the US.Mm-hmm.
Any blanket statement of America doesn't work because parts of the country hate and would never be like other parts of the country.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497983</id>
	<title>You're jumping ahead of yourself.</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1246099020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have to start by defining "freedom" and evaluating threats to that freedom.</p><p>I'll give you an example, the mandatory ID card.  Yes, they've been abused in the past.  But it's not the ID card itself, it's how it's used.   That may seem like a quibbling point, but it matters now because with surveillance cameras, face recognition software and databases, a tyrant can get most of what he gets from the ID card, plus this: you never know for sure when you're being tracked.  It's the <em>network</em> and the <em>database</em> you ought to be worrying about.  With "papers, please" at least you know <em>when</em> you are being tracked.</p><p>Here in the US, we might not have an ID card, and we're way behind the UK in surveillance cameras, but private data miners have practically unlimited ability to track us by our transactions, and the government which by law is not allowed to collect such data is allowed to <em>buy</em> that. Why? Because unlike in the Europe, we don't recognize a right of data privacy; in fact our rights of privacy are not explicitly spelled out anywhere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have to start by defining " freedom " and evaluating threats to that freedom.I 'll give you an example , the mandatory ID card .
Yes , they 've been abused in the past .
But it 's not the ID card itself , it 's how it 's used .
That may seem like a quibbling point , but it matters now because with surveillance cameras , face recognition software and databases , a tyrant can get most of what he gets from the ID card , plus this : you never know for sure when you 're being tracked .
It 's the network and the database you ought to be worrying about .
With " papers , please " at least you know when you are being tracked.Here in the US , we might not have an ID card , and we 're way behind the UK in surveillance cameras , but private data miners have practically unlimited ability to track us by our transactions , and the government which by law is not allowed to collect such data is allowed to buy that .
Why ? Because unlike in the Europe , we do n't recognize a right of data privacy ; in fact our rights of privacy are not explicitly spelled out anywhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have to start by defining "freedom" and evaluating threats to that freedom.I'll give you an example, the mandatory ID card.
Yes, they've been abused in the past.
But it's not the ID card itself, it's how it's used.
That may seem like a quibbling point, but it matters now because with surveillance cameras, face recognition software and databases, a tyrant can get most of what he gets from the ID card, plus this: you never know for sure when you're being tracked.
It's the network and the database you ought to be worrying about.
With "papers, please" at least you know when you are being tracked.Here in the US, we might not have an ID card, and we're way behind the UK in surveillance cameras, but private data miners have practically unlimited ability to track us by our transactions, and the government which by law is not allowed to collect such data is allowed to buy that.
Why? Because unlike in the Europe, we don't recognize a right of data privacy; in fact our rights of privacy are not explicitly spelled out anywhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493167</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246098300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering the OP is from the UK, I should point out another thing that a british coworker who moved here (to Switzerland) said: he loves the reliability and price of public transport. You can pay about a thousand swiss francs for an yearly pass to ride on all the ZVV network, which is extremely large (this price is for the 9 o'clock pass, which is only valid starting 9AM during the week, all day on weekends and it covers a lot of places. I can basically go almost to all cities around the Zurich lake. For those I can't , there's the Half Fare card, which is extremely cheap as well and even valid in some other countries).<br>As for reliability, I know that during most hours, can just go to the station close to my house and at *:16 , *:36 and *:56 there's a train at the station that goes to Zurich main station. And at *:01, *:21, *:41, there's a train in the station close to work to bring me back home. (during peak hours, it's every 10 minutes, but I avoid peak hours even here). If the train gets delayed more than a couple minutes, they make sure to broadcast apologies at all stations in the way (I've been living here for about 4 months so far and I've only seen this happen only *once* and that happened due to a little construction issue in the Zurich main station that caused delays in all the Zurich network for a day).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering the OP is from the UK , I should point out another thing that a british coworker who moved here ( to Switzerland ) said : he loves the reliability and price of public transport .
You can pay about a thousand swiss francs for an yearly pass to ride on all the ZVV network , which is extremely large ( this price is for the 9 o'clock pass , which is only valid starting 9AM during the week , all day on weekends and it covers a lot of places .
I can basically go almost to all cities around the Zurich lake .
For those I ca n't , there 's the Half Fare card , which is extremely cheap as well and even valid in some other countries ) .As for reliability , I know that during most hours , can just go to the station close to my house and at * : 16 , * : 36 and * : 56 there 's a train at the station that goes to Zurich main station .
And at * : 01 , * : 21 , * : 41 , there 's a train in the station close to work to bring me back home .
( during peak hours , it 's every 10 minutes , but I avoid peak hours even here ) .
If the train gets delayed more than a couple minutes , they make sure to broadcast apologies at all stations in the way ( I 've been living here for about 4 months so far and I 've only seen this happen only * once * and that happened due to a little construction issue in the Zurich main station that caused delays in all the Zurich network for a day ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering the OP is from the UK, I should point out another thing that a british coworker who moved here (to Switzerland) said: he loves the reliability and price of public transport.
You can pay about a thousand swiss francs for an yearly pass to ride on all the ZVV network, which is extremely large (this price is for the 9 o'clock pass, which is only valid starting 9AM during the week, all day on weekends and it covers a lot of places.
I can basically go almost to all cities around the Zurich lake.
For those I can't , there's the Half Fare card, which is extremely cheap as well and even valid in some other countries).As for reliability, I know that during most hours, can just go to the station close to my house and at *:16 , *:36 and *:56 there's a train at the station that goes to Zurich main station.
And at *:01, *:21, *:41, there's a train in the station close to work to bring me back home.
(during peak hours, it's every 10 minutes, but I avoid peak hours even here).
If the train gets delayed more than a couple minutes, they make sure to broadcast apologies at all stations in the way (I've been living here for about 4 months so far and I've only seen this happen only *once* and that happened due to a little construction issue in the Zurich main station that caused delays in all the Zurich network for a day).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492535</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>jhol13</author>
	<datestamp>1246133940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fear invasion from Russia???</p><p>That was a good joke, I have to admit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fear invasion from Russia ? ?
? That was a good joke , I have to admit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fear invasion from Russia??
?That was a good joke, I have to admit!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493821</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of choices in Europe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246108140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My favorite list: Switzerland, Netherland, Finland, Sweden, Norway. I would love to live in Switzerland myself: I love the direct democracy there, the peaceful people and the beautiful nature and very high standard of living.<br>Another option is to become really rich! Rich people enjoy much more freedom all over the world!</p></div><p>So, having an expat experience already in two of the countries of that list, and truly appreciating the other scandinavian three, I have a few comments here:</p><p>First, being rich, says nothing about the topic at hand. If you are really rich, then you can also buy an island and let others remain in their own privacy.</p><p>The Netherlands is now being stubbed by its technological process, to the point that privacy-related practices found in the UK are being adopted at a fast rate.<br>Despite there's much open debate about the issues, as any open society should do, the facts overall count against . Been there, done that.</p><p>Switzerland is where I live right now. Pretty good balance among issues I have to admit, save for some skepticism about (not against!) foreigners. Direct Democracy here is a huge plus and does affect everyday life. You wouldn't have a say since you are not Swiss, but the feeling of fairness permeates the air. Being a Greek myself, I appreciate the country that actually *honors* direct democracy instead of theorizing about democracy and how good it should/could be.</p><p>To be fair, though, I recommend you have a look at the 2007 International Privacy Ranking:<br>http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd[347]=x-347-559597 (any latest version anybody?)<br>As you can see Greece favors pretty well there; actually I'm not surprised: after four centuries of ottoman rule,<br>people there have a developed a very sensitive nerve on authoritarian tactics and are pretty fast to object them.<br>(eg. the recent huge protests in December 2008 where triggered by a policeman opening fire at a 15-year-old).<br>State violence and oppression is not tolerated in any form (and citizen violence should not be either, to be sure).<br>Trying to be more exact, being the first in that list is just an effect of random small parameters -that huge fine for<br>Vodafone's wiretapping scandal has been appealed as of now- but it's indication of some bigger pattern going on:<br>http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/13/0055234/Greece-Halts-Googles-Street-View?art\_pos=1<br>The result of such objections are unpredictable (the Higher Court will really decide on this),<br>but at least there's a process going on that does not take things for granted and will set the field level for everyone.</p><p>Finally, to help you make a decision, you should judge every country in a holistic manner about what it can offer to *you*.<br>One country might be just optimal for a pensioner looking for a spot to settle in peace, in comparison to another spot that<br>might be just the right mix for a young scientist trying to establish a career and advance through his/her profession...<br>It's not all roses... yet again you might have another choice if you are a family-man. People in many countries have<br>struggled for this kind of movement freedom many of us enjoy today, so why not use it? (and let the system fit itself?)</p></div>
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<tokenext>My favorite list : Switzerland , Netherland , Finland , Sweden , Norway .
I would love to live in Switzerland myself : I love the direct democracy there , the peaceful people and the beautiful nature and very high standard of living.Another option is to become really rich !
Rich people enjoy much more freedom all over the world ! So , having an expat experience already in two of the countries of that list , and truly appreciating the other scandinavian three , I have a few comments here : First , being rich , says nothing about the topic at hand .
If you are really rich , then you can also buy an island and let others remain in their own privacy.The Netherlands is now being stubbed by its technological process , to the point that privacy-related practices found in the UK are being adopted at a fast rate.Despite there 's much open debate about the issues , as any open society should do , the facts overall count against .
Been there , done that.Switzerland is where I live right now .
Pretty good balance among issues I have to admit , save for some skepticism about ( not against !
) foreigners .
Direct Democracy here is a huge plus and does affect everyday life .
You would n't have a say since you are not Swiss , but the feeling of fairness permeates the air .
Being a Greek myself , I appreciate the country that actually * honors * direct democracy instead of theorizing about democracy and how good it should/could be.To be fair , though , I recommend you have a look at the 2007 International Privacy Ranking : http : //www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml ? cmd [ 347 ] = x-347-559597 ( any latest version anybody ?
) As you can see Greece favors pretty well there ; actually I 'm not surprised : after four centuries of ottoman rule,people there have a developed a very sensitive nerve on authoritarian tactics and are pretty fast to object them. ( eg .
the recent huge protests in December 2008 where triggered by a policeman opening fire at a 15-year-old ) .State violence and oppression is not tolerated in any form ( and citizen violence should not be either , to be sure ) .Trying to be more exact , being the first in that list is just an effect of random small parameters -that huge fine forVodafone 's wiretapping scandal has been appealed as of now- but it 's indication of some bigger pattern going on : http : //yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/13/0055234/Greece-Halts-Googles-Street-View ? art \ _pos = 1The result of such objections are unpredictable ( the Higher Court will really decide on this ) ,but at least there 's a process going on that does not take things for granted and will set the field level for everyone.Finally , to help you make a decision , you should judge every country in a holistic manner about what it can offer to * you * .One country might be just optimal for a pensioner looking for a spot to settle in peace , in comparison to another spot thatmight be just the right mix for a young scientist trying to establish a career and advance through his/her profession...It 's not all roses... yet again you might have another choice if you are a family-man .
People in many countries havestruggled for this kind of movement freedom many of us enjoy today , so why not use it ?
( and let the system fit itself ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My favorite list: Switzerland, Netherland, Finland, Sweden, Norway.
I would love to live in Switzerland myself: I love the direct democracy there, the peaceful people and the beautiful nature and very high standard of living.Another option is to become really rich!
Rich people enjoy much more freedom all over the world!So, having an expat experience already in two of the countries of that list, and truly appreciating the other scandinavian three, I have a few comments here:First, being rich, says nothing about the topic at hand.
If you are really rich, then you can also buy an island and let others remain in their own privacy.The Netherlands is now being stubbed by its technological process, to the point that privacy-related practices found in the UK are being adopted at a fast rate.Despite there's much open debate about the issues, as any open society should do, the facts overall count against .
Been there, done that.Switzerland is where I live right now.
Pretty good balance among issues I have to admit, save for some skepticism about (not against!
) foreigners.
Direct Democracy here is a huge plus and does affect everyday life.
You wouldn't have a say since you are not Swiss, but the feeling of fairness permeates the air.
Being a Greek myself, I appreciate the country that actually *honors* direct democracy instead of theorizing about democracy and how good it should/could be.To be fair, though, I recommend you have a look at the 2007 International Privacy Ranking:http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd[347]=x-347-559597 (any latest version anybody?
)As you can see Greece favors pretty well there; actually I'm not surprised: after four centuries of ottoman rule,people there have a developed a very sensitive nerve on authoritarian tactics and are pretty fast to object them.(eg.
the recent huge protests in December 2008 where triggered by a policeman opening fire at a 15-year-old).State violence and oppression is not tolerated in any form (and citizen violence should not be either, to be sure).Trying to be more exact, being the first in that list is just an effect of random small parameters -that huge fine forVodafone's wiretapping scandal has been appealed as of now- but it's indication of some bigger pattern going on:http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/05/13/0055234/Greece-Halts-Googles-Street-View?art\_pos=1The result of such objections are unpredictable (the Higher Court will really decide on this),but at least there's a process going on that does not take things for granted and will set the field level for everyone.Finally, to help you make a decision, you should judge every country in a holistic manner about what it can offer to *you*.One country might be just optimal for a pensioner looking for a spot to settle in peace, in comparison to another spot thatmight be just the right mix for a young scientist trying to establish a career and advance through his/her profession...It's not all roses... yet again you might have another choice if you are a family-man.
People in many countries havestruggled for this kind of movement freedom many of us enjoy today, so why not use it?
(and let the system fit itself?
)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491631</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>xednieht</author>
	<datestamp>1246038660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wake up - if you're the "king's peer" how come he takes money from you but gives nothing in return?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake up - if you 're the " king 's peer " how come he takes money from you but gives nothing in return ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake up - if you're the "king's peer" how come he takes money from you but gives nothing in return?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491293</id>
	<title>Hope you like guns</title>
	<author>Lije Baley</author>
	<datestamp>1246036500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where there is great freedom for you, there is great freedom for others to take advantage of you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where there is great freedom for you , there is great freedom for others to take advantage of you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where there is great freedom for you, there is great freedom for others to take advantage of you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494831</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246118760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hello...  Can you say gun control.  How can you say 'avoided many of the more "Police State-y" laws' when they have serious gun control laws on the books.  They have way too many restrictions on the purchase of guns and ammo and it will only get worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hello... Can you say gun control .
How can you say 'avoided many of the more " Police State-y " laws ' when they have serious gun control laws on the books .
They have way too many restrictions on the purchase of guns and ammo and it will only get worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hello...  Can you say gun control.
How can you say 'avoided many of the more "Police State-y" laws' when they have serious gun control laws on the books.
They have way too many restrictions on the purchase of guns and ammo and it will only get worse.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28503323</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246200300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters? Cruise missiles?</p></div><p>They don't have access to those things in Iraq.  We do.  The results, all things considered, have been a bit lopsided if you consider that combat is started and ended largely on public perception.  American troops won the <strong>war</strong> in Iraq quite handily, just as they would do in combat against civilians here armed with hand weapons.  They are well trained and largely well-equipped with the best that money freely given to defense contractors can buy.  However, they fared not as well against civilians with hand weapons and other things during the <strong>occupation,</strong> a distinction our corporate media steadfastly refuses to make.  The reason is simple enough--during a war you have massed forces, good supply lines, constant air support, etc.  Those things are too expensive to keep intact over long periods of time and so an occupying force generally has less real-time access to those resources.  Tanks and missiles and combat aircraft are not designed as weapons of occupation.  They can flatten whole cities, but keeping them intact while ruling them successfully is another story.</p><p>BTW, it must also be considered that American troops are, well, American, and generally won't fire on civilians en masse without very good reason.  Most of us gun-nuts are in fact counting that a lot of them will be on our side in an armed conflict.  However, there are always a few psychopaths in any group and I'm sure the military isn't immune.  The sorts of people who will follow any order without question (in contradiction of civil and military law) are few, but they exist.  What they need are force-multipliers to make them effective.  What do you think UAVs and killer robots are for?  I'm not saying the people who operate those things now are psychopaths and mindless killers, but that if they were replaced by those in a conflict things would get bloody.</p></div>
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<tokenext>How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters ?
Cruise missiles ? They do n't have access to those things in Iraq .
We do .
The results , all things considered , have been a bit lopsided if you consider that combat is started and ended largely on public perception .
American troops won the war in Iraq quite handily , just as they would do in combat against civilians here armed with hand weapons .
They are well trained and largely well-equipped with the best that money freely given to defense contractors can buy .
However , they fared not as well against civilians with hand weapons and other things during the occupation , a distinction our corporate media steadfastly refuses to make .
The reason is simple enough--during a war you have massed forces , good supply lines , constant air support , etc .
Those things are too expensive to keep intact over long periods of time and so an occupying force generally has less real-time access to those resources .
Tanks and missiles and combat aircraft are not designed as weapons of occupation .
They can flatten whole cities , but keeping them intact while ruling them successfully is another story.BTW , it must also be considered that American troops are , well , American , and generally wo n't fire on civilians en masse without very good reason .
Most of us gun-nuts are in fact counting that a lot of them will be on our side in an armed conflict .
However , there are always a few psychopaths in any group and I 'm sure the military is n't immune .
The sorts of people who will follow any order without question ( in contradiction of civil and military law ) are few , but they exist .
What they need are force-multipliers to make them effective .
What do you think UAVs and killer robots are for ?
I 'm not saying the people who operate those things now are psychopaths and mindless killers , but that if they were replaced by those in a conflict things would get bloody .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters?
Cruise missiles?They don't have access to those things in Iraq.
We do.
The results, all things considered, have been a bit lopsided if you consider that combat is started and ended largely on public perception.
American troops won the war in Iraq quite handily, just as they would do in combat against civilians here armed with hand weapons.
They are well trained and largely well-equipped with the best that money freely given to defense contractors can buy.
However, they fared not as well against civilians with hand weapons and other things during the occupation, a distinction our corporate media steadfastly refuses to make.
The reason is simple enough--during a war you have massed forces, good supply lines, constant air support, etc.
Those things are too expensive to keep intact over long periods of time and so an occupying force generally has less real-time access to those resources.
Tanks and missiles and combat aircraft are not designed as weapons of occupation.
They can flatten whole cities, but keeping them intact while ruling them successfully is another story.BTW, it must also be considered that American troops are, well, American, and generally won't fire on civilians en masse without very good reason.
Most of us gun-nuts are in fact counting that a lot of them will be on our side in an armed conflict.
However, there are always a few psychopaths in any group and I'm sure the military isn't immune.
The sorts of people who will follow any order without question (in contradiction of civil and military law) are few, but they exist.
What they need are force-multipliers to make them effective.
What do you think UAVs and killer robots are for?
I'm not saying the people who operate those things now are psychopaths and mindless killers, but that if they were replaced by those in a conflict things would get bloody.
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	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246132320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well said.</p><p>One has no obligation to some random piece of land on the planet, nor to the people who live there.  It only makes sense to move and live with people who have shown that they have values that are in line with one's own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well said.One has no obligation to some random piece of land on the planet , nor to the people who live there .
It only makes sense to move and live with people who have shown that they have values that are in line with one 's own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well said.One has no obligation to some random piece of land on the planet, nor to the people who live there.
It only makes sense to move and live with people who have shown that they have values that are in line with one's own.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494355</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246114320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You must be a terrible poker player. In fact you must be a terrible player in all games including the game of life. (and no I do not mean Conway's...)</p><p>Choosing the greener pasture is only natural and to be honest the UK's government has become out of touch. The same happened to Germany, France, Spain, Portugal and even Sweden and there is no way I will be canon meat just for the sake a pretty picture stating I am a real patriot !</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You must be a terrible poker player .
In fact you must be a terrible player in all games including the game of life .
( and no I do not mean Conway 's... ) Choosing the greener pasture is only natural and to be honest the UK 's government has become out of touch .
The same happened to Germany , France , Spain , Portugal and even Sweden and there is no way I will be canon meat just for the sake a pretty picture stating I am a real patriot !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You must be a terrible poker player.
In fact you must be a terrible player in all games including the game of life.
(and no I do not mean Conway's...)Choosing the greener pasture is only natural and to be honest the UK's government has become out of touch.
The same happened to Germany, France, Spain, Portugal and even Sweden and there is no way I will be canon meat just for the sake a pretty picture stating I am a real patriot !</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28499023</id>
	<title>Why do you even ask?</title>
	<author>Weezul</author>
	<datestamp>1246107960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>English citizens emigrate by the thousands every year sheerly for desire of food &amp; wine that actually have a taste, and maybe the scenery.  English ex-pats helped create Europe's budget airlines craze.  etc.  To answer your question, virtually any modern western country is "more free" than England on the measures you describe.  So ask the real questions : Where do you want to live?  Where can you get a jobs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>English citizens emigrate by the thousands every year sheerly for desire of food &amp; wine that actually have a taste , and maybe the scenery .
English ex-pats helped create Europe 's budget airlines craze .
etc. To answer your question , virtually any modern western country is " more free " than England on the measures you describe .
So ask the real questions : Where do you want to live ?
Where can you get a jobs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>English citizens emigrate by the thousands every year sheerly for desire of food &amp; wine that actually have a taste, and maybe the scenery.
English ex-pats helped create Europe's budget airlines craze.
etc.  To answer your question, virtually any modern western country is "more free" than England on the measures you describe.
So ask the real questions : Where do you want to live?
Where can you get a jobs?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493109</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>DoctorRock</author>
	<datestamp>1246097580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>   Precisely A.C.
I grep'd "fight", then ""stand" to get here - assuming somebody would have suggested you "stand and fight" for you rights.
Of course, you could cry on your blog like Perez Hilton about how "violence doesn't solve anything".  Then again, you can
let the bastards know that somebody's going to get hurt if they keep pushing.  Freedom is a very real commidity, and apparently
it's very real to you as you can measure it slipping away.  Good men died in order for you to enjoy what freedoms you enjoy today.
Perhaps you don't have a problem with that.  My answer to your question is that you're due for a come to Jesus moment.  Given
the choice, would you die free or live in slavery?  A very personal question yes, but you can't secure freedom by emigrating unless
of course somebody else has already done the wetwork.  You're stupid, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Precisely A.C . I grep 'd " fight " , then " " stand " to get here - assuming somebody would have suggested you " stand and fight " for you rights .
Of course , you could cry on your blog like Perez Hilton about how " violence does n't solve anything " .
Then again , you can let the bastards know that somebody 's going to get hurt if they keep pushing .
Freedom is a very real commidity , and apparently it 's very real to you as you can measure it slipping away .
Good men died in order for you to enjoy what freedoms you enjoy today .
Perhaps you do n't have a problem with that .
My answer to your question is that you 're due for a come to Jesus moment .
Given the choice , would you die free or live in slavery ?
A very personal question yes , but you ca n't secure freedom by emigrating unless of course somebody else has already done the wetwork .
You 're stupid , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>   Precisely A.C.
I grep'd "fight", then ""stand" to get here - assuming somebody would have suggested you "stand and fight" for you rights.
Of course, you could cry on your blog like Perez Hilton about how "violence doesn't solve anything".
Then again, you can
let the bastards know that somebody's going to get hurt if they keep pushing.
Freedom is a very real commidity, and apparently
it's very real to you as you can measure it slipping away.
Good men died in order for you to enjoy what freedoms you enjoy today.
Perhaps you don't have a problem with that.
My answer to your question is that you're due for a come to Jesus moment.
Given
the choice, would you die free or live in slavery?
A very personal question yes, but you can't secure freedom by emigrating unless
of course somebody else has already done the wetwork.
You're stupid, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491517</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493353</id>
	<title>My Guess</title>
	<author>rally2xs</author>
	<datestamp>1246100700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is that you couldn't handle real freedom.

First of all, real freedom means exactly that.  It means far fewer things are illegal.  Where on earth is that?  I don't think it exists, actually.

I'd say the US comes closest to real freedom.  Someone mentioned the cameras in the US?  Really?  What cameras?  The \_government\_ doesn't have all that many cameras.  They rush around and get privately owned surveillance camera tapes when they need to observe something in history, like a car crash, but they also CANNOT CONTROL the release of these tapes when some cop beats the tar out of a citizen, either.  IOW, for the government, the surveillance society that we have is a double edged sword, and cuts both ways.

Real freedom is pretty much unrestricted access to personal power.   That is, guns.  We have 250 million guns in American society, and the way the president is scaring the H out of everybody about everything, they are selling at an incredibly accelerated rate.  Therefore, the government has to consider their actions and moderate them, because they can't afford to P.O. too great a portion of the population at once.  For example, in the years of the Clintom administration, much consideration was given to "gun control" that scared a significant portion of the population, and we got the rise of "citizen's militias" that the press dutifully attempted to paint to be racist organizations, disregarding the fact that lots of them had black members, such as the Michigan Militia.  They weren't racist, they were simply pro-freedom and would have / will resist any attempt to collect up our guns with deadly force (if they come for mine, they will get them 220 grains at 3000 ft/sec at a time - I will die, but I will take more than 1 with me.  Collecting up the guns is the last step before the government gets really jiggy with the limiting freedom thing... governments always disarm the people before committing their atrocities upon them.  Not happenin' here, not without a fight.  I'm a pretty good shot, too.)

And the old commie bastard, Chairman Mao was right - political power comes out of the barrel of a gun, he said.  True.  My biggest fear right now is that the anti-freedom president we have right now, who is trying to destroy our country with measures that we cannot afford with the latest atrocity the cap and trade disaster that passed the house last night - well, my greatest fear is that someone is going to take a shot at him and not miss.  If he is assasinated, and I believe he is the best candidate for someone to attempt it in a long time, since he is black, there will be a devastating race war that will likely see the end of the USA as we know it.  Right now, the country is "dead" economically if "cap and trade" ultimately gets thru the senate, the remainder of our jobs will all move to other countries to be able to afford to produce affordable things, and we will resemble the economic landscape that is currently Zimbabwe.  Some people are smart enough to know that, and, like I said, blame the president whose loyalty to this country I certainly question at this time - he has to know what this is going to do to the jobs situation here - but doesn't seem to care.  He's 'round the bend on this global warming fraud - its amazing that ANYONE can reasonably believe that CO2 is a driver in this respect - it is a TRACE GAS, fer cryin' out loud, at 0.04\% of the atmoshphere, and is FOLLOWING the rise in temperature, not causing it.  But people that realize this, and blame the president for the coming economic depression brought on by this new nonsense, is going to get him shot at, I think.  Hopefully that patriot will miss, or we're likely dead as a nation.

But as to the original question, I think you're looking for Utopia, which is, as we all know, impossible in the world of man.  You might as well stay put.  Or, if you're really desparate, get a plane ticket to Mexico and brush up on your desert survival skills - getting in and staying will be fairly easy, then, if you don't mind picking oranges for a living.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that you could n't handle real freedom .
First of all , real freedom means exactly that .
It means far fewer things are illegal .
Where on earth is that ?
I do n't think it exists , actually .
I 'd say the US comes closest to real freedom .
Someone mentioned the cameras in the US ?
Really ? What cameras ?
The \ _government \ _ does n't have all that many cameras .
They rush around and get privately owned surveillance camera tapes when they need to observe something in history , like a car crash , but they also CAN NOT CONTROL the release of these tapes when some cop beats the tar out of a citizen , either .
IOW , for the government , the surveillance society that we have is a double edged sword , and cuts both ways .
Real freedom is pretty much unrestricted access to personal power .
That is , guns .
We have 250 million guns in American society , and the way the president is scaring the H out of everybody about everything , they are selling at an incredibly accelerated rate .
Therefore , the government has to consider their actions and moderate them , because they ca n't afford to P.O .
too great a portion of the population at once .
For example , in the years of the Clintom administration , much consideration was given to " gun control " that scared a significant portion of the population , and we got the rise of " citizen 's militias " that the press dutifully attempted to paint to be racist organizations , disregarding the fact that lots of them had black members , such as the Michigan Militia .
They were n't racist , they were simply pro-freedom and would have / will resist any attempt to collect up our guns with deadly force ( if they come for mine , they will get them 220 grains at 3000 ft/sec at a time - I will die , but I will take more than 1 with me .
Collecting up the guns is the last step before the government gets really jiggy with the limiting freedom thing... governments always disarm the people before committing their atrocities upon them .
Not happenin ' here , not without a fight .
I 'm a pretty good shot , too .
) And the old commie bastard , Chairman Mao was right - political power comes out of the barrel of a gun , he said .
True. My biggest fear right now is that the anti-freedom president we have right now , who is trying to destroy our country with measures that we can not afford with the latest atrocity the cap and trade disaster that passed the house last night - well , my greatest fear is that someone is going to take a shot at him and not miss .
If he is assasinated , and I believe he is the best candidate for someone to attempt it in a long time , since he is black , there will be a devastating race war that will likely see the end of the USA as we know it .
Right now , the country is " dead " economically if " cap and trade " ultimately gets thru the senate , the remainder of our jobs will all move to other countries to be able to afford to produce affordable things , and we will resemble the economic landscape that is currently Zimbabwe .
Some people are smart enough to know that , and , like I said , blame the president whose loyalty to this country I certainly question at this time - he has to know what this is going to do to the jobs situation here - but does n't seem to care .
He 's 'round the bend on this global warming fraud - its amazing that ANYONE can reasonably believe that CO2 is a driver in this respect - it is a TRACE GAS , fer cryin ' out loud , at 0.04 \ % of the atmoshphere , and is FOLLOWING the rise in temperature , not causing it .
But people that realize this , and blame the president for the coming economic depression brought on by this new nonsense , is going to get him shot at , I think .
Hopefully that patriot will miss , or we 're likely dead as a nation .
But as to the original question , I think you 're looking for Utopia , which is , as we all know , impossible in the world of man .
You might as well stay put .
Or , if you 're really desparate , get a plane ticket to Mexico and brush up on your desert survival skills - getting in and staying will be fairly easy , then , if you do n't mind picking oranges for a living .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that you couldn't handle real freedom.
First of all, real freedom means exactly that.
It means far fewer things are illegal.
Where on earth is that?
I don't think it exists, actually.
I'd say the US comes closest to real freedom.
Someone mentioned the cameras in the US?
Really?  What cameras?
The \_government\_ doesn't have all that many cameras.
They rush around and get privately owned surveillance camera tapes when they need to observe something in history, like a car crash, but they also CANNOT CONTROL the release of these tapes when some cop beats the tar out of a citizen, either.
IOW, for the government, the surveillance society that we have is a double edged sword, and cuts both ways.
Real freedom is pretty much unrestricted access to personal power.
That is, guns.
We have 250 million guns in American society, and the way the president is scaring the H out of everybody about everything, they are selling at an incredibly accelerated rate.
Therefore, the government has to consider their actions and moderate them, because they can't afford to P.O.
too great a portion of the population at once.
For example, in the years of the Clintom administration, much consideration was given to "gun control" that scared a significant portion of the population, and we got the rise of "citizen's militias" that the press dutifully attempted to paint to be racist organizations, disregarding the fact that lots of them had black members, such as the Michigan Militia.
They weren't racist, they were simply pro-freedom and would have / will resist any attempt to collect up our guns with deadly force (if they come for mine, they will get them 220 grains at 3000 ft/sec at a time - I will die, but I will take more than 1 with me.
Collecting up the guns is the last step before the government gets really jiggy with the limiting freedom thing... governments always disarm the people before committing their atrocities upon them.
Not happenin' here, not without a fight.
I'm a pretty good shot, too.
)

And the old commie bastard, Chairman Mao was right - political power comes out of the barrel of a gun, he said.
True.  My biggest fear right now is that the anti-freedom president we have right now, who is trying to destroy our country with measures that we cannot afford with the latest atrocity the cap and trade disaster that passed the house last night - well, my greatest fear is that someone is going to take a shot at him and not miss.
If he is assasinated, and I believe he is the best candidate for someone to attempt it in a long time, since he is black, there will be a devastating race war that will likely see the end of the USA as we know it.
Right now, the country is "dead" economically if "cap and trade" ultimately gets thru the senate, the remainder of our jobs will all move to other countries to be able to afford to produce affordable things, and we will resemble the economic landscape that is currently Zimbabwe.
Some people are smart enough to know that, and, like I said, blame the president whose loyalty to this country I certainly question at this time - he has to know what this is going to do to the jobs situation here - but doesn't seem to care.
He's 'round the bend on this global warming fraud - its amazing that ANYONE can reasonably believe that CO2 is a driver in this respect - it is a TRACE GAS, fer cryin' out loud, at 0.04\% of the atmoshphere, and is FOLLOWING the rise in temperature, not causing it.
But people that realize this, and blame the president for the coming economic depression brought on by this new nonsense, is going to get him shot at, I think.
Hopefully that patriot will miss, or we're likely dead as a nation.
But as to the original question, I think you're looking for Utopia, which is, as we all know, impossible in the world of man.
You might as well stay put.
Or, if you're really desparate, get a plane ticket to Mexico and brush up on your desert survival skills - getting in and staying will be fairly easy, then, if you don't mind picking oranges for a living.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492255</id>
	<title>Re:Bobby Fischer's a good guide</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246044480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>TURKEY? You got to be kidding??</htmltext>
<tokenext>TURKEY ?
You got to be kidding ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TURKEY?
You got to be kidding?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491501</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496517</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>3p1ph4ny</author>
	<datestamp>1246132920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; urinating in public, in which case you'll get a disproportionate sentence, and in the latter case, a scarlet letter as a bonus.</p><p>FYI, you don't get put on the sex offender list for public urination. It's a $94 ticket in my state, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; urinating in public , in which case you 'll get a disproportionate sentence , and in the latter case , a scarlet letter as a bonus.FYI , you do n't get put on the sex offender list for public urination .
It 's a $ 94 ticket in my state , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; urinating in public, in which case you'll get a disproportionate sentence, and in the latter case, a scarlet letter as a bonus.FYI, you don't get put on the sex offender list for public urination.
It's a $94 ticket in my state, though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491785</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491977</id>
	<title>New Zealand of course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246041360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>New Zealand, the last Western bastion without a socialist government. (Well... in name anyway) We just had elections and kicked out the socialists while even the USA has embraced socialism/communism/totalitarianism under Obama. Damn, even the Aussies got damn socialist government.</p><p>Unfortunately we do have a democracy (Force by numbers) which unfortunately doesn't equate to freedom which is what you desire. The best country for you currently would be New Zealand but if the USA once day remembers what it's true foundations are and starts adhering to her constitution then the USA has got to be the best place for any freedom loving person.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New Zealand , the last Western bastion without a socialist government .
( Well... in name anyway ) We just had elections and kicked out the socialists while even the USA has embraced socialism/communism/totalitarianism under Obama .
Damn , even the Aussies got damn socialist government.Unfortunately we do have a democracy ( Force by numbers ) which unfortunately does n't equate to freedom which is what you desire .
The best country for you currently would be New Zealand but if the USA once day remembers what it 's true foundations are and starts adhering to her constitution then the USA has got to be the best place for any freedom loving person .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Zealand, the last Western bastion without a socialist government.
(Well... in name anyway) We just had elections and kicked out the socialists while even the USA has embraced socialism/communism/totalitarianism under Obama.
Damn, even the Aussies got damn socialist government.Unfortunately we do have a democracy (Force by numbers) which unfortunately doesn't equate to freedom which is what you desire.
The best country for you currently would be New Zealand but if the USA once day remembers what it's true foundations are and starts adhering to her constitution then the USA has got to be the best place for any freedom loving person.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492987</id>
	<title>Re:Anarchy?</title>
	<author>leftie</author>
	<datestamp>1246095960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somalia is the most free country in the world. Somalia is so free, no government interferes with the freedom of armed gangs to run the place. No government interfering with person's right to starve. Free to be desperate enough to row tiny inflatable rafts out to passing shipping and attempt to seize merchant ships with knives and forks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somalia is the most free country in the world .
Somalia is so free , no government interferes with the freedom of armed gangs to run the place .
No government interfering with person 's right to starve .
Free to be desperate enough to row tiny inflatable rafts out to passing shipping and attempt to seize merchant ships with knives and forks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somalia is the most free country in the world.
Somalia is so free, no government interferes with the freedom of armed gangs to run the place.
No government interfering with person's right to starve.
Free to be desperate enough to row tiny inflatable rafts out to passing shipping and attempt to seize merchant ships with knives and forks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491623</id>
	<title>Re:Hope you like guns</title>
	<author>RsG</author>
	<datestamp>1246038600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where there is great freedom for you, there is great freedom for others to take advantage of you.</p></div><p>It doesn't have to be that way.</p><p>Real life governance is not some sliding scale where total anarchy is one end and Orwellian tyranny is the other.  Is any social question so one dimensional?  Thinking that way boxes you in, because it starts to look like a damned if you do, damned if you don't, scenario.  You begin to accept corruption, because the anarchy scares you, or you embrace anarchy, because you don't see any alternative to getting rid of tyranny.</p><p>To give you a depressing example of why this line of thinking fails, consider this.  A government can be corrupt, tyrannical and totally ineffectual, all at once, such as to leave a country in a state whereby the citizenry have no freedom, and no safety.  That doesn't fit anywhere into the worldview that holds anarchy and tyranny as logically opposite extremes, because, hey, you have both.  Usually this comes about when a corrupt government is in a state of strife or internal warfare, while still aspiring to ironclad rule - think Afghanistan.</p><p>The reverse is also true.  An accountable government with limited, but not nonexistent, power, can run a country without falling into the pitfalls above.  It must be democratic, it must be as transparent as possible, and it must have a strong judiciary backed by laws that include some sort of bill of rights or equivalent document above all others.  Checks and balances are the key.  Cleaning out corruption when it occurs is also vital, and failure to do so is usually what trips the whole system up.</p><p>The problem is, and always has been, that maintaining good government is a lot of work.  Bad government is the default setting when it is not fought against.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where there is great freedom for you , there is great freedom for others to take advantage of you.It does n't have to be that way.Real life governance is not some sliding scale where total anarchy is one end and Orwellian tyranny is the other .
Is any social question so one dimensional ?
Thinking that way boxes you in , because it starts to look like a damned if you do , damned if you do n't , scenario .
You begin to accept corruption , because the anarchy scares you , or you embrace anarchy , because you do n't see any alternative to getting rid of tyranny.To give you a depressing example of why this line of thinking fails , consider this .
A government can be corrupt , tyrannical and totally ineffectual , all at once , such as to leave a country in a state whereby the citizenry have no freedom , and no safety .
That does n't fit anywhere into the worldview that holds anarchy and tyranny as logically opposite extremes , because , hey , you have both .
Usually this comes about when a corrupt government is in a state of strife or internal warfare , while still aspiring to ironclad rule - think Afghanistan.The reverse is also true .
An accountable government with limited , but not nonexistent , power , can run a country without falling into the pitfalls above .
It must be democratic , it must be as transparent as possible , and it must have a strong judiciary backed by laws that include some sort of bill of rights or equivalent document above all others .
Checks and balances are the key .
Cleaning out corruption when it occurs is also vital , and failure to do so is usually what trips the whole system up.The problem is , and always has been , that maintaining good government is a lot of work .
Bad government is the default setting when it is not fought against .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where there is great freedom for you, there is great freedom for others to take advantage of you.It doesn't have to be that way.Real life governance is not some sliding scale where total anarchy is one end and Orwellian tyranny is the other.
Is any social question so one dimensional?
Thinking that way boxes you in, because it starts to look like a damned if you do, damned if you don't, scenario.
You begin to accept corruption, because the anarchy scares you, or you embrace anarchy, because you don't see any alternative to getting rid of tyranny.To give you a depressing example of why this line of thinking fails, consider this.
A government can be corrupt, tyrannical and totally ineffectual, all at once, such as to leave a country in a state whereby the citizenry have no freedom, and no safety.
That doesn't fit anywhere into the worldview that holds anarchy and tyranny as logically opposite extremes, because, hey, you have both.
Usually this comes about when a corrupt government is in a state of strife or internal warfare, while still aspiring to ironclad rule - think Afghanistan.The reverse is also true.
An accountable government with limited, but not nonexistent, power, can run a country without falling into the pitfalls above.
It must be democratic, it must be as transparent as possible, and it must have a strong judiciary backed by laws that include some sort of bill of rights or equivalent document above all others.
Checks and balances are the key.
Cleaning out corruption when it occurs is also vital, and failure to do so is usually what trips the whole system up.The problem is, and always has been, that maintaining good government is a lot of work.
Bad government is the default setting when it is not fought against.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491285</id>
	<title>If stability is only a "plus", then</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246036440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Somalia?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Somalia ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somalia?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493809</id>
	<title>Counterpoint</title>
	<author>subreality</author>
	<datestamp>1246107960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I've stayed where I am through thick and thin, I have a Plan B in case things get worse.  At some point, I may need to accept that the majority of the population where I am disagrees with my values, and are also willing to stand up for what they believe in.</p><p>Why shouldn't I let them have their country the way they want it, and go somewhere more in line with the way I want things to be?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I 've stayed where I am through thick and thin , I have a Plan B in case things get worse .
At some point , I may need to accept that the majority of the population where I am disagrees with my values , and are also willing to stand up for what they believe in.Why should n't I let them have their country the way they want it , and go somewhere more in line with the way I want things to be ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I've stayed where I am through thick and thin, I have a Plan B in case things get worse.
At some point, I may need to accept that the majority of the population where I am disagrees with my values, and are also willing to stand up for what they believe in.Why shouldn't I let them have their country the way they want it, and go somewhere more in line with the way I want things to be?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491517</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493141</id>
	<title>There are other issues to consider...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246097940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I might be asking a strange question, but aren't there a lot a of other issues to consider, not just privacy etc.</p><p>What about all the family/friends/links you'd be leaving behind?</p><p>Although moving country doesn't have to mean burning bridges, it's pretty likely to be a one way trip.</p><p>At least one family I know, did this, and found that the grass wasn't greener, wanted to come back to the UK and couldn't afford it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I might be asking a strange question , but are n't there a lot a of other issues to consider , not just privacy etc.What about all the family/friends/links you 'd be leaving behind ? Although moving country does n't have to mean burning bridges , it 's pretty likely to be a one way trip.At least one family I know , did this , and found that the grass was n't greener , wanted to come back to the UK and could n't afford it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I might be asking a strange question, but aren't there a lot a of other issues to consider, not just privacy etc.What about all the family/friends/links you'd be leaving behind?Although moving country doesn't have to mean burning bridges, it's pretty likely to be a one way trip.At least one family I know, did this, and found that the grass wasn't greener, wanted to come back to the UK and couldn't afford it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28517013</id>
	<title>Re:Canada would be a very good choice!</title>
	<author>mr\_mischief</author>
	<datestamp>1246302720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Montreal is indeed a great place for Anglophones to get freedom of speech. The ones who understand English will ignore you anyway because you're not speaking French, so you don't have to worry what you say at all!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Montreal is indeed a great place for Anglophones to get freedom of speech .
The ones who understand English will ignore you anyway because you 're not speaking French , so you do n't have to worry what you say at all !
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Montreal is indeed a great place for Anglophones to get freedom of speech.
The ones who understand English will ignore you anyway because you're not speaking French, so you don't have to worry what you say at all!
;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491619</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246038600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>#3: America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era. We do reactions VERY well in this country -- and that means the principle sin of the Bush, era, "sacraficing liberty for security", is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years. If ever.</p></div><p>Yeah <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/07/1330229" title="slashdot.org">how that going for ya?</a> [slashdot.org]
<br>
<br>
I think The Who <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE" title="youtube.com">said it best</a> [youtube.com] "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext># 3 : America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era .
We do reactions VERY well in this country -- and that means the principle sin of the Bush , era , " sacraficing liberty for security " , is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years .
If ever.Yeah how that going for ya ?
[ slashdot.org ] I think The Who said it best [ youtube.com ] " Meet the new boss , same as the old boss "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>#3: America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era.
We do reactions VERY well in this country -- and that means the principle sin of the Bush, era, "sacraficing liberty for security", is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years.
If ever.Yeah how that going for ya?
[slashdot.org]


I think The Who said it best [youtube.com] "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494995</id>
	<title>Bad things happen when good people do nothing.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246120020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Moving to a 'freer' place, unless you are in immanent danger, is rather selfish. I always like to take such ideas to their logical conclusion. What if everyone who noticed the erosion of civil liberties just moved away? What is to prevent the same thing from happening wherever they move to? The people that notice it happening are reacting passively. Eventually, what's to stop the whole world becoming that way?

As to those folks who don't mind surveillance and invasion of privacy, it's not about privacy from your neighbors, but privacy from a government that has power over you. It takes courage to vote your conscience if your neighbors and your government, who might disagree with you, know how you vote because of a surveillance society. You just have to look at the behavior of the US TSA in the news to see how someone with just a little power to invade your privacy and act upon what they learn can pretty arbitrarily harass whoever doesn't look the way they like. In fact, I feel compelled to post this anonymously because I'm flying in a few days, and don't want to invite a body cavity search because I happened to voice my opinion. And beyond that, where does the surveillance stop. I might object to cameras watching me shop, but it might be OK for you. Where does it stop being OK for you? When your TV is watching you? When your cell phone camera turns on by itself in your bedroom? When they install wireless cameras in the shower? I don't know about you, but to me having some privacy is fundamental to human dignity. The less I can control when I am watched, they less dignity I feel I have. Not knowing about the watchers (NSA snooping) does not diminish the loss of dignity.

There is a balance, of course. You give up some privacy, some liberty, in exchange for security. The ironic thing is that if you give up enough liberty, you lose security as well, as the entity you have given up your liberty to has the power to harm you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Moving to a 'freer ' place , unless you are in immanent danger , is rather selfish .
I always like to take such ideas to their logical conclusion .
What if everyone who noticed the erosion of civil liberties just moved away ?
What is to prevent the same thing from happening wherever they move to ?
The people that notice it happening are reacting passively .
Eventually , what 's to stop the whole world becoming that way ?
As to those folks who do n't mind surveillance and invasion of privacy , it 's not about privacy from your neighbors , but privacy from a government that has power over you .
It takes courage to vote your conscience if your neighbors and your government , who might disagree with you , know how you vote because of a surveillance society .
You just have to look at the behavior of the US TSA in the news to see how someone with just a little power to invade your privacy and act upon what they learn can pretty arbitrarily harass whoever does n't look the way they like .
In fact , I feel compelled to post this anonymously because I 'm flying in a few days , and do n't want to invite a body cavity search because I happened to voice my opinion .
And beyond that , where does the surveillance stop .
I might object to cameras watching me shop , but it might be OK for you .
Where does it stop being OK for you ?
When your TV is watching you ?
When your cell phone camera turns on by itself in your bedroom ?
When they install wireless cameras in the shower ?
I do n't know about you , but to me having some privacy is fundamental to human dignity .
The less I can control when I am watched , they less dignity I feel I have .
Not knowing about the watchers ( NSA snooping ) does not diminish the loss of dignity .
There is a balance , of course .
You give up some privacy , some liberty , in exchange for security .
The ironic thing is that if you give up enough liberty , you lose security as well , as the entity you have given up your liberty to has the power to harm you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moving to a 'freer' place, unless you are in immanent danger, is rather selfish.
I always like to take such ideas to their logical conclusion.
What if everyone who noticed the erosion of civil liberties just moved away?
What is to prevent the same thing from happening wherever they move to?
The people that notice it happening are reacting passively.
Eventually, what's to stop the whole world becoming that way?
As to those folks who don't mind surveillance and invasion of privacy, it's not about privacy from your neighbors, but privacy from a government that has power over you.
It takes courage to vote your conscience if your neighbors and your government, who might disagree with you, know how you vote because of a surveillance society.
You just have to look at the behavior of the US TSA in the news to see how someone with just a little power to invade your privacy and act upon what they learn can pretty arbitrarily harass whoever doesn't look the way they like.
In fact, I feel compelled to post this anonymously because I'm flying in a few days, and don't want to invite a body cavity search because I happened to voice my opinion.
And beyond that, where does the surveillance stop.
I might object to cameras watching me shop, but it might be OK for you.
Where does it stop being OK for you?
When your TV is watching you?
When your cell phone camera turns on by itself in your bedroom?
When they install wireless cameras in the shower?
I don't know about you, but to me having some privacy is fundamental to human dignity.
The less I can control when I am watched, they less dignity I feel I have.
Not knowing about the watchers (NSA snooping) does not diminish the loss of dignity.
There is a balance, of course.
You give up some privacy, some liberty, in exchange for security.
The ironic thing is that if you give up enough liberty, you lose security as well, as the entity you have given up your liberty to has the power to harm you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494347</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>Haxzaw</author>
	<datestamp>1246114260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have used that same reasoning when it concerns folks who would be refugees from their war torn country.  Stay there and fight, don't run away.  Our USA forefathers left their respective countries looking for freedom in a new land.  When they found it, they fought to keep it, several times.  The problem now days is that most people figure things are still pretty good, and we're better than country X, so leave well enough alone.  If you can find a country, or island, or somewhere to conquer or simply claim as your own, go for it, build your own country.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have used that same reasoning when it concerns folks who would be refugees from their war torn country .
Stay there and fight , do n't run away .
Our USA forefathers left their respective countries looking for freedom in a new land .
When they found it , they fought to keep it , several times .
The problem now days is that most people figure things are still pretty good , and we 're better than country X , so leave well enough alone .
If you can find a country , or island , or somewhere to conquer or simply claim as your own , go for it , build your own country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have used that same reasoning when it concerns folks who would be refugees from their war torn country.
Stay there and fight, don't run away.
Our USA forefathers left their respective countries looking for freedom in a new land.
When they found it, they fought to keep it, several times.
The problem now days is that most people figure things are still pretty good, and we're better than country X, so leave well enough alone.
If you can find a country, or island, or somewhere to conquer or simply claim as your own, go for it, build your own country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494371</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246114440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>all the hardware you mention is operated by 'citizens' who could either refuse to serve, or turn them to our own purposes if the situation warrants it.   They are not operated by foreign mercenaries (like the revolutionary war Hessians) who are independent of the situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>all the hardware you mention is operated by 'citizens ' who could either refuse to serve , or turn them to our own purposes if the situation warrants it .
They are not operated by foreign mercenaries ( like the revolutionary war Hessians ) who are independent of the situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>all the hardware you mention is operated by 'citizens' who could either refuse to serve, or turn them to our own purposes if the situation warrants it.
They are not operated by foreign mercenaries (like the revolutionary war Hessians) who are independent of the situation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492517</id>
	<title>Re:Canada would be a very good choice!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246133700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How soon is the climate in Quebec projected to match that of today's Los Angeles?  Kind chilly in winter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How soon is the climate in Quebec projected to match that of today 's Los Angeles ?
Kind chilly in winter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How soon is the climate in Quebec projected to match that of today's Los Angeles?
Kind chilly in winter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493095</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>anticharisma</author>
	<datestamp>1246097340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>good point, but your point has its limitation when applied to situations like the jews in hitlers germany...</htmltext>
<tokenext>good point , but your point has its limitation when applied to situations like the jews in hitlers germany.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>good point, but your point has its limitation when applied to situations like the jews in hitlers germany...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497453</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246095540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck country loyalty, it's a human planet at this point for all intents and purposes.  Vote with your feet, vote with your wallet, and feel free to go help progressive people set a beacon to the feared masses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck country loyalty , it 's a human planet at this point for all intents and purposes .
Vote with your feet , vote with your wallet , and feel free to go help progressive people set a beacon to the feared masses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck country loyalty, it's a human planet at this point for all intents and purposes.
Vote with your feet, vote with your wallet, and feel free to go help progressive people set a beacon to the feared masses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495641</id>
	<title>SPAIN is your answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246125060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And if you move to the south or to some of the islands (Tenerife, Ibiza) you don&#194;t even need to know how to speak spanish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And if you move to the south or to some of the islands ( Tenerife , Ibiza ) you don   t even need to know how to speak spanish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if you move to the south or to some of the islands (Tenerife, Ibiza) you donÂt even need to know how to speak spanish.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491505</id>
	<title>what kind of freedoms?</title>
	<author>wizardforce</author>
	<datestamp>1246037820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>some countries have better economic freedom while less social freedom, which country you wish to move to depends on which of these are more important.  if it's econ then pick one of the top countries listed here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index\_of\_Economic\_Freedom\_historical\_rankings" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index\_of\_Economic\_Freedom\_historical\_rankings</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>if you want social freedom, countries in soe parts of europe are better; sweden, denmark, new zealand if outside of europe is ok..  overall between the two, switzerland is high on my own personal list.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>some countries have better economic freedom while less social freedom , which country you wish to move to depends on which of these are more important .
if it 's econ then pick one of the top countries listed here : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index \ _of \ _Economic \ _Freedom \ _historical \ _rankings [ wikipedia.org ] if you want social freedom , countries in soe parts of europe are better ; sweden , denmark , new zealand if outside of europe is ok.. overall between the two , switzerland is high on my own personal list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>some countries have better economic freedom while less social freedom, which country you wish to move to depends on which of these are more important.
if it's econ then pick one of the top countries listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index\_of\_Economic\_Freedom\_historical\_rankings [wikipedia.org]if you want social freedom, countries in soe parts of europe are better; sweden, denmark, new zealand if outside of europe is ok..  overall between the two, switzerland is high on my own personal list.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493191</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>anticharisma</author>
	<datestamp>1246098600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I found Switzerland to be the most beautiful place on earth, but I noted an unfriendliness to the swiss that made me think that Id never truly be accepted as one of them if i tried to stay there. They have I believe some exclusivist elements to their community. Its no point being emmerced in a community that dont accept you as much as everyone else. But yeh give me a shack on the mountains and a decent internet connection and walking in the mountains where theres hot sun green grass snow and herds of goats equiped with neck mounted bells that collectively make an enchanting symphony as you hike through the alpine forests and so on....But your not one of them...your an outsider! They aint multicultural like usa uk or NZ or australia.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I found Switzerland to be the most beautiful place on earth , but I noted an unfriendliness to the swiss that made me think that Id never truly be accepted as one of them if i tried to stay there .
They have I believe some exclusivist elements to their community .
Its no point being emmerced in a community that dont accept you as much as everyone else .
But yeh give me a shack on the mountains and a decent internet connection and walking in the mountains where theres hot sun green grass snow and herds of goats equiped with neck mounted bells that collectively make an enchanting symphony as you hike through the alpine forests and so on....But your not one of them...your an outsider !
They aint multicultural like usa uk or NZ or australia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found Switzerland to be the most beautiful place on earth, but I noted an unfriendliness to the swiss that made me think that Id never truly be accepted as one of them if i tried to stay there.
They have I believe some exclusivist elements to their community.
Its no point being emmerced in a community that dont accept you as much as everyone else.
But yeh give me a shack on the mountains and a decent internet connection and walking in the mountains where theres hot sun green grass snow and herds of goats equiped with neck mounted bells that collectively make an enchanting symphony as you hike through the alpine forests and so on....But your not one of them...your an outsider!
They aint multicultural like usa uk or NZ or australia.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494233</id>
	<title>Re:I'd recommend Australia or Canada...NOT the U.S</title>
	<author>amilo100</author>
	<datestamp>1246113240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i> tortured</i> <br> <br>

The Democratic Party leader in the senate knew about the interrogation techniques used.<br> <br>

<i> got rid of habeas corpus, </i> <br> <br>

Democrats also voted for the PATRIOT act. Prominent democrats (such as Hilary Clinton) also supported the Iraq war.<br> <br>

<i> Liberals haven't even made the slightest move to take away your guns,</i> <br> <br>

Liberals are excellent at taking away property. Since the Democrats controlled congress (2006) there have been many bailouts costing the tax payer billions of dollars (e.g. Bank bailout, auto bailout, etc&#226;&#166;).<br> <br>

Since the poster is talking about Britain, the Liberals fucked up pretty bad there too. A good example is going into the war in Iraq.</htmltext>
<tokenext>tortured The Democratic Party leader in the senate knew about the interrogation techniques used .
got rid of habeas corpus , Democrats also voted for the PATRIOT act .
Prominent democrats ( such as Hilary Clinton ) also supported the Iraq war .
Liberals have n't even made the slightest move to take away your guns , Liberals are excellent at taking away property .
Since the Democrats controlled congress ( 2006 ) there have been many bailouts costing the tax payer billions of dollars ( e.g .
Bank bailout , auto bailout , etc     ) .
Since the poster is talking about Britain , the Liberals fucked up pretty bad there too .
A good example is going into the war in Iraq .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> tortured  

The Democratic Party leader in the senate knew about the interrogation techniques used.
got rid of habeas corpus,   

Democrats also voted for the PATRIOT act.
Prominent democrats (such as Hilary Clinton) also supported the Iraq war.
Liberals haven't even made the slightest move to take away your guns,  

Liberals are excellent at taking away property.
Since the Democrats controlled congress (2006) there have been many bailouts costing the tax payer billions of dollars (e.g.
Bank bailout, auto bailout, etcâ¦).
Since the poster is talking about Britain, the Liberals fucked up pretty bad there too.
A good example is going into the war in Iraq.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494313</id>
	<title>Obvious Solution</title>
	<author>c0mpliant</author>
	<datestamp>1246113960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get your ass to mars...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get your ass to mars.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get your ass to mars...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493577</id>
	<title>Re:End of the Universe</title>
	<author>stellarcode</author>
	<datestamp>1246104120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love Milliways!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love Milliways !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love Milliways!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492479</id>
	<title>Rule of advice:</title>
	<author>Korey Kaczor</author>
	<datestamp>1246133220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Never take the advice of someone telling you to live somewhere else when they haven't even been there themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never take the advice of someone telling you to live somewhere else when they have n't even been there themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never take the advice of someone telling you to live somewhere else when they haven't even been there themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491909</id>
	<title>Oz/NZ?</title>
	<author>Saba</author>
	<datestamp>1246040880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Although it's surprisingly mentioned quite a lot on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., howabout Australia or New Zealand?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Although it 's surprisingly mentioned quite a lot on /. , howabout Australia or New Zealand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although it's surprisingly mentioned quite a lot on /., howabout Australia or New Zealand?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493447</id>
	<title>No country that is participating in ACTA?</title>
	<author>guidryp</author>
	<datestamp>1246102200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or other secret treaties.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting\_Trade\_Agreement" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting\_Trade\_Agreement</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Of course that eliminates a lot of countries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or other secret treaties.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting \ _Trade \ _Agreement [ wikipedia.org ] Of course that eliminates a lot of countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or other secret treaties.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting\_Trade\_Agreement [wikipedia.org]Of course that eliminates a lot of countries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494643</id>
	<title>Not all a bed of roses</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1246117020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Australia governmentally may or may not be better than some other places.  However, when you come here, you'll also have the following things waiting for you:-</p><p>-  Racism.  It wasn't always so bad in Australia, but it's getting a lot worse in recent years.  We had the Cronulla race riots a few years back, and then there were the Indian riots in Melbourne recently.  I consider the racism an American cultural import, personally; it isn't an inherently Aussie thing.</p><p>-  Alcoholism and drug abuse, integrated as part of the culture; along with the associated violence.  Methamphetamine abuse is chronic in Australia, and good luck finding anyone under the age of 35 or so who also doesn't smoke weed.  The Australian penchant for alcohol abuse is just as legendary these days as it has ever been, as well.</p><p>-  An angry, aggressive, unintelligent, anti-intellectual population, at least as far as whites are concerned.  You mentioned having some IT skills; that's a good thing, because the only other three jobs you'll be likely to get here involve either fixing cars, building houses, or agriculture.  Yes, of course we have a hospitality industry, but have fun getting into it.  My younger brother both holds a Gaming Liquor License and did a modelling course a while back, and the best jobs he's been able to get were tending bar and delivering pizzas.</p><p>-  A spineless, emasculated legal system.  If the above mentioned racist, drug addicted louts invade your home early one morning, (I've had it happen to me) you are not legally permitted to defend yourself, like you are in America.  You also aren't legally permitted to own a gun without a license in Australia, and the police are selective about who they give licenses to, as well.</p><p>If you happen to get murdered by said miscreants, you can also rest assured that they will be unlikely to serve more than ten years in jail, and in some cases, possibly not even five, depending on whether or not their lawyer is able to make a magistrate cry into his microphone about what broken homes they had.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Australia governmentally may or may not be better than some other places .
However , when you come here , you 'll also have the following things waiting for you : -- Racism .
It was n't always so bad in Australia , but it 's getting a lot worse in recent years .
We had the Cronulla race riots a few years back , and then there were the Indian riots in Melbourne recently .
I consider the racism an American cultural import , personally ; it is n't an inherently Aussie thing.- Alcoholism and drug abuse , integrated as part of the culture ; along with the associated violence .
Methamphetamine abuse is chronic in Australia , and good luck finding anyone under the age of 35 or so who also does n't smoke weed .
The Australian penchant for alcohol abuse is just as legendary these days as it has ever been , as well.- An angry , aggressive , unintelligent , anti-intellectual population , at least as far as whites are concerned .
You mentioned having some IT skills ; that 's a good thing , because the only other three jobs you 'll be likely to get here involve either fixing cars , building houses , or agriculture .
Yes , of course we have a hospitality industry , but have fun getting into it .
My younger brother both holds a Gaming Liquor License and did a modelling course a while back , and the best jobs he 's been able to get were tending bar and delivering pizzas.- A spineless , emasculated legal system .
If the above mentioned racist , drug addicted louts invade your home early one morning , ( I 've had it happen to me ) you are not legally permitted to defend yourself , like you are in America .
You also are n't legally permitted to own a gun without a license in Australia , and the police are selective about who they give licenses to , as well.If you happen to get murdered by said miscreants , you can also rest assured that they will be unlikely to serve more than ten years in jail , and in some cases , possibly not even five , depending on whether or not their lawyer is able to make a magistrate cry into his microphone about what broken homes they had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Australia governmentally may or may not be better than some other places.
However, when you come here, you'll also have the following things waiting for you:--  Racism.
It wasn't always so bad in Australia, but it's getting a lot worse in recent years.
We had the Cronulla race riots a few years back, and then there were the Indian riots in Melbourne recently.
I consider the racism an American cultural import, personally; it isn't an inherently Aussie thing.-  Alcoholism and drug abuse, integrated as part of the culture; along with the associated violence.
Methamphetamine abuse is chronic in Australia, and good luck finding anyone under the age of 35 or so who also doesn't smoke weed.
The Australian penchant for alcohol abuse is just as legendary these days as it has ever been, as well.-  An angry, aggressive, unintelligent, anti-intellectual population, at least as far as whites are concerned.
You mentioned having some IT skills; that's a good thing, because the only other three jobs you'll be likely to get here involve either fixing cars, building houses, or agriculture.
Yes, of course we have a hospitality industry, but have fun getting into it.
My younger brother both holds a Gaming Liquor License and did a modelling course a while back, and the best jobs he's been able to get were tending bar and delivering pizzas.-  A spineless, emasculated legal system.
If the above mentioned racist, drug addicted louts invade your home early one morning, (I've had it happen to me) you are not legally permitted to defend yourself, like you are in America.
You also aren't legally permitted to own a gun without a license in Australia, and the police are selective about who they give licenses to, as well.If you happen to get murdered by said miscreants, you can also rest assured that they will be unlikely to serve more than ten years in jail, and in some cases, possibly not even five, depending on whether or not their lawyer is able to make a magistrate cry into his microphone about what broken homes they had.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493497</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>xelah</author>
	<datestamp>1246103040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Countries don't have standards of living, people do. The average is irrelevant if yours is very different, which is quite likely if you're better educated and more experienced in a professional field than all but a tiny number of locals.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Countries do n't have standards of living , people do .
The average is irrelevant if yours is very different , which is quite likely if you 're better educated and more experienced in a professional field than all but a tiny number of locals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Countries don't have standards of living, people do.
The average is irrelevant if yours is very different, which is quite likely if you're better educated and more experienced in a professional field than all but a tiny number of locals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28503529</id>
	<title>San Francisco</title>
	<author>thenextstevejobs</author>
	<datestamp>1246201920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We're like our own miniature, awesome country.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're like our own miniature , awesome country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're like our own miniature, awesome country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28506957</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like I need a subject line to post...</title>
	<author>algoa456</author>
	<datestamp>1246183320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Free - you are kidding or (more likely) simply uninformed. Canada was the only country in the developed world to prosecute someone for publishing the Mohammed cartoons.

having lived in several countries and now Canada and can tell you that Canada is less free - despite the propaganda - than say a place like Aussie or NZ.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Free - you are kidding or ( more likely ) simply uninformed .
Canada was the only country in the developed world to prosecute someone for publishing the Mohammed cartoons .
having lived in several countries and now Canada and can tell you that Canada is less free - despite the propaganda - than say a place like Aussie or NZ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free - you are kidding or (more likely) simply uninformed.
Canada was the only country in the developed world to prosecute someone for publishing the Mohammed cartoons.
having lived in several countries and now Canada and can tell you that Canada is less free - despite the propaganda - than say a place like Aussie or NZ.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492591</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1246134780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Oh puhleeez. Seriously? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen?</p></div></blockquote><p>Hopefully we'll never have a chance to see it, but I doubt the army, police, or even politicians would function very well if they were part of a tyrannical regime. Don't forget, there's a helluva lot of people to coordinate to commit evil acts, and each has some degree of a moral compass. Some less than others, but it's still there.</p><p>I would think that a tyrant would have to convince everyone that what they're doing is right, not just a small party of co-conspirators. Then, no matter how armed the population is, they would get what they want.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh puhleeez .
Seriously ? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen ? Hopefully we 'll never have a chance to see it , but I doubt the army , police , or even politicians would function very well if they were part of a tyrannical regime .
Do n't forget , there 's a helluva lot of people to coordinate to commit evil acts , and each has some degree of a moral compass .
Some less than others , but it 's still there.I would think that a tyrant would have to convince everyone that what they 're doing is right , not just a small party of co-conspirators .
Then , no matter how armed the population is , they would get what they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh puhleeez.
Seriously? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen?Hopefully we'll never have a chance to see it, but I doubt the army, police, or even politicians would function very well if they were part of a tyrannical regime.
Don't forget, there's a helluva lot of people to coordinate to commit evil acts, and each has some degree of a moral compass.
Some less than others, but it's still there.I would think that a tyrant would have to convince everyone that what they're doing is right, not just a small party of co-conspirators.
Then, no matter how armed the population is, they would get what they want.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496479</id>
	<title>Re:Conservatives and ID Cards</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246132680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dammit.. my kingdom for some mod points!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dammit.. my kingdom for some mod points !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dammit.. my kingdom for some mod points!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491967</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246041180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I literally laughed when I read #3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I literally laughed when I read # 3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I literally laughed when I read #3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492089</id>
	<title>Thoughts from a world traveler...</title>
	<author>catapult01</author>
	<datestamp>1246042500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have lived on the east coast of the US, the west coast (in Silicon Valley), your fine country (in London, 2 years), and southern Chile (1 year. I arrived speaking no Spanish and was able to converse after about 4 months of constant studying/practicing).
<br> <br>
I think you'll find that if you leave your country for a freer country, you will find things in the new country that bother you just as much, if not more, than what you left behind. Don't get me wrong, I have very much enjoyed living in different countries. But I do find that every country is the same in that there are things you love and hate. It may seem obvious when I say it now, but if you really accept that ahead of time, you'll have a better experience, rather than just viewing it as going to a freer/better/whatever country.
<br> <br>
As for job opportunities, if you've got the skills and have the will, and patience, to make it work, then it will work out. Silicon Valley is still hiring and moving along just fine, despite the economic crisis (at least from what I can tell so far, having just returned from Chile).
<br> <br>
I am, obviously, recommending Silicon Valley in California. You'll find each state in the US is pretty distinct. I used to joke that when I moved from the east to the west coast that I moved to a different country. California is a great place to be. I've never lived anywhere that I felt more free. New York City would probably also be to your liking, if you are a big city person.
<br> <br>
But to keep it in perspective, I would also love to live in London again.
<br> <br>
Whatever you decide to do, I wish you all the best in your travels.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have lived on the east coast of the US , the west coast ( in Silicon Valley ) , your fine country ( in London , 2 years ) , and southern Chile ( 1 year .
I arrived speaking no Spanish and was able to converse after about 4 months of constant studying/practicing ) .
I think you 'll find that if you leave your country for a freer country , you will find things in the new country that bother you just as much , if not more , than what you left behind .
Do n't get me wrong , I have very much enjoyed living in different countries .
But I do find that every country is the same in that there are things you love and hate .
It may seem obvious when I say it now , but if you really accept that ahead of time , you 'll have a better experience , rather than just viewing it as going to a freer/better/whatever country .
As for job opportunities , if you 've got the skills and have the will , and patience , to make it work , then it will work out .
Silicon Valley is still hiring and moving along just fine , despite the economic crisis ( at least from what I can tell so far , having just returned from Chile ) .
I am , obviously , recommending Silicon Valley in California .
You 'll find each state in the US is pretty distinct .
I used to joke that when I moved from the east to the west coast that I moved to a different country .
California is a great place to be .
I 've never lived anywhere that I felt more free .
New York City would probably also be to your liking , if you are a big city person .
But to keep it in perspective , I would also love to live in London again .
Whatever you decide to do , I wish you all the best in your travels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have lived on the east coast of the US, the west coast (in Silicon Valley), your fine country (in London, 2 years), and southern Chile (1 year.
I arrived speaking no Spanish and was able to converse after about 4 months of constant studying/practicing).
I think you'll find that if you leave your country for a freer country, you will find things in the new country that bother you just as much, if not more, than what you left behind.
Don't get me wrong, I have very much enjoyed living in different countries.
But I do find that every country is the same in that there are things you love and hate.
It may seem obvious when I say it now, but if you really accept that ahead of time, you'll have a better experience, rather than just viewing it as going to a freer/better/whatever country.
As for job opportunities, if you've got the skills and have the will, and patience, to make it work, then it will work out.
Silicon Valley is still hiring and moving along just fine, despite the economic crisis (at least from what I can tell so far, having just returned from Chile).
I am, obviously, recommending Silicon Valley in California.
You'll find each state in the US is pretty distinct.
I used to joke that when I moved from the east to the west coast that I moved to a different country.
California is a great place to be.
I've never lived anywhere that I felt more free.
New York City would probably also be to your liking, if you are a big city person.
But to keep it in perspective, I would also love to live in London again.
Whatever you decide to do, I wish you all the best in your travels.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495899</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>zemkai</author>
	<datestamp>1246127520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How is a person in a country that is relatively free, but headed in the wrong direction, supposed to agitate for change in that worldview?</p></div><p>
  I dunno, but perhaps try less <em>agitating</em> and more <em>dialogue</em>?
</p><p>
Honestly, take a step back and look around and you'll see that everywhere we are inundated with declarations that "we" are bad and demands that "we" change our ways.  Few seem willing to establish mutual respect, they always demand that "the other guy" provide that courtesy.  And most attempts to point this out end with no more progress than the topical equivalent of "he started it!!!!"
</p><p>That is not a good starting place for compromise.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... all this IMHO, of course.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is a person in a country that is relatively free , but headed in the wrong direction , supposed to agitate for change in that worldview ?
I dunno , but perhaps try less agitating and more dialogue ?
Honestly , take a step back and look around and you 'll see that everywhere we are inundated with declarations that " we " are bad and demands that " we " change our ways .
Few seem willing to establish mutual respect , they always demand that " the other guy " provide that courtesy .
And most attempts to point this out end with no more progress than the topical equivalent of " he started it ! ! ! !
" That is not a good starting place for compromise .
... all this IMHO , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is a person in a country that is relatively free, but headed in the wrong direction, supposed to agitate for change in that worldview?
I dunno, but perhaps try less agitating and more dialogue?
Honestly, take a step back and look around and you'll see that everywhere we are inundated with declarations that "we" are bad and demands that "we" change our ways.
Few seem willing to establish mutual respect, they always demand that "the other guy" provide that courtesy.
And most attempts to point this out end with no more progress than the topical equivalent of "he started it!!!!
"
That is not a good starting place for compromise.
... all this IMHO, of course.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495429</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>bradley13</author>
	<datestamp>1246123380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Switzerland is a great place, but there are some things to be aware of
</p><ul> <li>If you want to have friends outside of other expats, you must learn the local language where you live. Everyone speaks English, but it remains a foreign language, and not what you speak in the pub over a beer.</li><li>Things move slowly here. The classic example is that women didn't get the right to vote until the 1970s. The advantage of moving slowly is that the politics avoid many of the extreme swings of the pendulum that you see elsewhere.</li><li>Your best way in is to find a job. Your employer will then take care of the paperwork.</li></ul><p>Learning the local language (Swiss German, French or Italian, depending) is really important. It is entirely possible to get by on English, however, you then wind up socially isolated from the locals. Another poster in this thread said that the Swiss seem hostile to foreigners. That's not true at all. They are, however, irritated by foreigners who live here for years, but make no effort to integrate themselves into the culture and language.
</p><p>As with any big move, you would probably be well advised to vacation here a couple of times, to see if the country suits your tastes...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Switzerland is a great place , but there are some things to be aware of If you want to have friends outside of other expats , you must learn the local language where you live .
Everyone speaks English , but it remains a foreign language , and not what you speak in the pub over a beer.Things move slowly here .
The classic example is that women did n't get the right to vote until the 1970s .
The advantage of moving slowly is that the politics avoid many of the extreme swings of the pendulum that you see elsewhere.Your best way in is to find a job .
Your employer will then take care of the paperwork.Learning the local language ( Swiss German , French or Italian , depending ) is really important .
It is entirely possible to get by on English , however , you then wind up socially isolated from the locals .
Another poster in this thread said that the Swiss seem hostile to foreigners .
That 's not true at all .
They are , however , irritated by foreigners who live here for years , but make no effort to integrate themselves into the culture and language .
As with any big move , you would probably be well advised to vacation here a couple of times , to see if the country suits your tastes.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland is a great place, but there are some things to be aware of
 If you want to have friends outside of other expats, you must learn the local language where you live.
Everyone speaks English, but it remains a foreign language, and not what you speak in the pub over a beer.Things move slowly here.
The classic example is that women didn't get the right to vote until the 1970s.
The advantage of moving slowly is that the politics avoid many of the extreme swings of the pendulum that you see elsewhere.Your best way in is to find a job.
Your employer will then take care of the paperwork.Learning the local language (Swiss German, French or Italian, depending) is really important.
It is entirely possible to get by on English, however, you then wind up socially isolated from the locals.
Another poster in this thread said that the Swiss seem hostile to foreigners.
That's not true at all.
They are, however, irritated by foreigners who live here for years, but make no effort to integrate themselves into the culture and language.
As with any big move, you would probably be well advised to vacation here a couple of times, to see if the country suits your tastes...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495453</id>
	<title>Fight for your freedom</title>
	<author>Martin Spamer</author>
	<datestamp>1246123680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are not prepared to fight for liberty then you don't deserve it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are not prepared to fight for liberty then you do n't deserve it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are not prepared to fight for liberty then you don't deserve it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493003</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246096260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a very insightful post and deserves an applause. However I can see the point of the OP, sometimes you get too tired fighthing the wind mills and you know, Gandhi was shot.</p><p>And please, for the love of god, don't mix up words 'lose' and 'loose'! Just did it, twice...</p><p>I live in Finland and it's decent here for the time being. We're unfortunately headed your way too, fast.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a very insightful post and deserves an applause .
However I can see the point of the OP , sometimes you get too tired fighthing the wind mills and you know , Gandhi was shot.And please , for the love of god , do n't mix up words 'lose ' and 'loose ' !
Just did it , twice...I live in Finland and it 's decent here for the time being .
We 're unfortunately headed your way too , fast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a very insightful post and deserves an applause.
However I can see the point of the OP, sometimes you get too tired fighthing the wind mills and you know, Gandhi was shot.And please, for the love of god, don't mix up words 'lose' and 'loose'!
Just did it, twice...I live in Finland and it's decent here for the time being.
We're unfortunately headed your way too, fast.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496155</id>
	<title>Re:Not the U.S.</title>
	<author>dkf</author>
	<datestamp>1246130040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Civil War requires geopolitical division</p></div><p>Not really, or not initially (that can develop later). What it requires is two groups of people living approximately together who totally disagree about who should be in charge. And it is quite possible to have a civil war without any trace of secessionism; e.g., in the English Civil War, both sides wanted the whole of England and had no plans to split the country.</p><p>In the US, everyone agrees that the President is in charge and that they are in for a limited term. You might or might not particularly like the incumbent, but you at least agree over who is in the office and that you don't need to have an uprising to kick them out. These are powerful reasons why a civil war is unlikely for now (and probably less likely than back after the 2000 election, to be honest). You have problems, yes, but a civil war is nowhere near one of them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Civil War requires geopolitical divisionNot really , or not initially ( that can develop later ) .
What it requires is two groups of people living approximately together who totally disagree about who should be in charge .
And it is quite possible to have a civil war without any trace of secessionism ; e.g. , in the English Civil War , both sides wanted the whole of England and had no plans to split the country.In the US , everyone agrees that the President is in charge and that they are in for a limited term .
You might or might not particularly like the incumbent , but you at least agree over who is in the office and that you do n't need to have an uprising to kick them out .
These are powerful reasons why a civil war is unlikely for now ( and probably less likely than back after the 2000 election , to be honest ) .
You have problems , yes , but a civil war is nowhere near one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Civil War requires geopolitical divisionNot really, or not initially (that can develop later).
What it requires is two groups of people living approximately together who totally disagree about who should be in charge.
And it is quite possible to have a civil war without any trace of secessionism; e.g., in the English Civil War, both sides wanted the whole of England and had no plans to split the country.In the US, everyone agrees that the President is in charge and that they are in for a limited term.
You might or might not particularly like the incumbent, but you at least agree over who is in the office and that you don't need to have an uprising to kick them out.
These are powerful reasons why a civil war is unlikely for now (and probably less likely than back after the 2000 election, to be honest).
You have problems, yes, but a civil war is nowhere near one of them.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495961</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246128240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having lived and worked in many countries I am shocked at the erosion of privacy and basic liberties in the UK. As for</p><p>"Stay in the UK. Its YOUR fucking country, damn it."</p><p>Considering that working in the UK is like working with pre-school children I have to disagree. There is little professionalism and an abundance of British arrogance. In the UK they denigrate rather than congratulate. The standards of education are falling rapidly and is affecting the populous as a whole. The BNP have seats in parliament.</p><p>It was never my country. It was a place I was born and then never accepted by its people. As with any company, the good people leave because they can.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having lived and worked in many countries I am shocked at the erosion of privacy and basic liberties in the UK .
As for " Stay in the UK .
Its YOUR fucking country , damn it .
" Considering that working in the UK is like working with pre-school children I have to disagree .
There is little professionalism and an abundance of British arrogance .
In the UK they denigrate rather than congratulate .
The standards of education are falling rapidly and is affecting the populous as a whole .
The BNP have seats in parliament.It was never my country .
It was a place I was born and then never accepted by its people .
As with any company , the good people leave because they can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having lived and worked in many countries I am shocked at the erosion of privacy and basic liberties in the UK.
As for"Stay in the UK.
Its YOUR fucking country, damn it.
"Considering that working in the UK is like working with pre-school children I have to disagree.
There is little professionalism and an abundance of British arrogance.
In the UK they denigrate rather than congratulate.
The standards of education are falling rapidly and is affecting the populous as a whole.
The BNP have seats in parliament.It was never my country.
It was a place I was born and then never accepted by its people.
As with any company, the good people leave because they can.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492739</id>
	<title>Somalia</title>
	<author>speedtux</author>
	<datestamp>1246093440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously, you should move to <a href="http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005/Democracy-For-$ale20feb05.htm" title="mindfully.org">Somalia</a> [mindfully.org].</p><p>Seriously, though: having lived in Europe and the US, I have to say: while privacy and liberty is out of fashion everywhere, the US is still one of the freest nations on earth. The US is getting so much bad press because Americans complain about laws and government actions that pass without much controversy in other nations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously , you should move to Somalia [ mindfully.org ] .Seriously , though : having lived in Europe and the US , I have to say : while privacy and liberty is out of fashion everywhere , the US is still one of the freest nations on earth .
The US is getting so much bad press because Americans complain about laws and government actions that pass without much controversy in other nations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously, you should move to Somalia [mindfully.org].Seriously, though: having lived in Europe and the US, I have to say: while privacy and liberty is out of fashion everywhere, the US is still one of the freest nations on earth.
The US is getting so much bad press because Americans complain about laws and government actions that pass without much controversy in other nations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491925</id>
	<title>Re:Bobby Fischer's a good guide</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246041000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> The wikipedia corruption index [wikipedia.org] may be of use, although I cannot vouch for its accuracy </i></p><p>
&nbsp; </p><p>I can: the Corruption Perceptions Index is shit. A mashup of whatever survey data happened to be flapping around when they crank it out each year. The wikipedia article has more content on "criticisms" than it does on the findings. There are better tools out there. Try <a href="http://report.globalintegrity.org/" title="globalintegrity.org" rel="nofollow">http://report.globalintegrity.org</a> [globalintegrity.org] if you insist on numbers.</p><p>
&nbsp; </p><p>The only sensible answer to this question is based entirely on food.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The wikipedia corruption index [ wikipedia.org ] may be of use , although I can not vouch for its accuracy   I can : the Corruption Perceptions Index is shit .
A mashup of whatever survey data happened to be flapping around when they crank it out each year .
The wikipedia article has more content on " criticisms " than it does on the findings .
There are better tools out there .
Try http : //report.globalintegrity.org [ globalintegrity.org ] if you insist on numbers .
  The only sensible answer to this question is based entirely on food .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The wikipedia corruption index [wikipedia.org] may be of use, although I cannot vouch for its accuracy 
  I can: the Corruption Perceptions Index is shit.
A mashup of whatever survey data happened to be flapping around when they crank it out each year.
The wikipedia article has more content on "criticisms" than it does on the findings.
There are better tools out there.
Try http://report.globalintegrity.org [globalintegrity.org] if you insist on numbers.
  The only sensible answer to this question is based entirely on food.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497681</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246096860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the most pain in the ass immigration processes in the world.  And an insular culture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the most pain in the ass immigration processes in the world .
And an insular culture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the most pain in the ass immigration processes in the world.
And an insular culture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493217</id>
	<title>Re:Anarchy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246099020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some of the old eastern block contries ? Not on your life , I'm only reading this topic because i want to get the hell out of here. It's nothing but horseshit and we're following the UK , the "good part" is that we don't quite have the money to implement everything the UK is implementing. The bad part...we don't have money<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:).<br>Also you'd change your mind about coming anywhere near here the moment you see how our hospitals look.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of the old eastern block contries ?
Not on your life , I 'm only reading this topic because i want to get the hell out of here .
It 's nothing but horseshit and we 're following the UK , the " good part " is that we do n't quite have the money to implement everything the UK is implementing .
The bad part...we do n't have money : ) .Also you 'd change your mind about coming anywhere near here the moment you see how our hospitals look .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of the old eastern block contries ?
Not on your life , I'm only reading this topic because i want to get the hell out of here.
It's nothing but horseshit and we're following the UK , the "good part" is that we don't quite have the money to implement everything the UK is implementing.
The bad part...we don't have money :).Also you'd change your mind about coming anywhere near here the moment you see how our hospitals look.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496625</id>
	<title>so you want freedom?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246133460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Want freedom? Come to Portugal. Since no one here cares about anything no one will bother to restrict your freedom in any way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Want freedom ?
Come to Portugal .
Since no one here cares about anything no one will bother to restrict your freedom in any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Want freedom?
Come to Portugal.
Since no one here cares about anything no one will bother to restrict your freedom in any way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495115</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Dracophile</author>
	<datestamp>1246120680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oops. It IS his country. He gets to moan about the state of affairs is he tries to do something about them, and if he prefers to just go somewhere else where that's been done for him then he gets to STFU.<br> <br>
And you don't vote with your feet. You vote with the ballot box, the soap box, the jury box and then the ammo box of all the others have been compromised.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oops .
It IS his country .
He gets to moan about the state of affairs is he tries to do something about them , and if he prefers to just go somewhere else where that 's been done for him then he gets to STFU .
And you do n't vote with your feet .
You vote with the ballot box , the soap box , the jury box and then the ammo box of all the others have been compromised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oops.
It IS his country.
He gets to moan about the state of affairs is he tries to do something about them, and if he prefers to just go somewhere else where that's been done for him then he gets to STFU.
And you don't vote with your feet.
You vote with the ballot box, the soap box, the jury box and then the ammo box of all the others have been compromised.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492339</id>
	<title>Re:Not the U.S.</title>
	<author>Hal\_Porter</author>
	<datestamp>1246045320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When life gives you Raptors, make Raptorade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When life gives you Raptors , make Raptorade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When life gives you Raptors, make Raptorade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498155</id>
	<title>Please -- STAY THERE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246100280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I currently reside in the UK. In recent years I've seen privacy, free expression and civil liberties steadily eroded, and I can't see anything changing for the better any time soon. With people being banned from the UK for expressing (admittedly reprehensible) opinions, the continuing efforts to implement mandatory ID cards and the prospect of a Conservative government in the near future, I'm seriously considering emigrating to a less restrictive country. Which countries would you recommend in terms of freedom and privacy? Distance is not an issue, though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus."</p><p>Well, since you don't seem to like Michael Savage (who is bold enough to speak the truth) and since you seem to be blaming an upcoming conservative government for all of the problems created by the past and current liberal governments, you're obviously have a severe case of rectal-cranial inversion, so do the world a favor and do NOT spread your disease to the rest of the world -- just stay where you are.  We have a big enough problem with liberal idiots here in the US -- please don't add to the problem.</p><p>And to all the liberals that have just gotten their hemp thongs in a bunch, how's all the "hope" and "change" working out for you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I currently reside in the UK .
In recent years I 've seen privacy , free expression and civil liberties steadily eroded , and I ca n't see anything changing for the better any time soon .
With people being banned from the UK for expressing ( admittedly reprehensible ) opinions , the continuing efforts to implement mandatory ID cards and the prospect of a Conservative government in the near future , I 'm seriously considering emigrating to a less restrictive country .
Which countries would you recommend in terms of freedom and privacy ?
Distance is not an issue , though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus .
" Well , since you do n't seem to like Michael Savage ( who is bold enough to speak the truth ) and since you seem to be blaming an upcoming conservative government for all of the problems created by the past and current liberal governments , you 're obviously have a severe case of rectal-cranial inversion , so do the world a favor and do NOT spread your disease to the rest of the world -- just stay where you are .
We have a big enough problem with liberal idiots here in the US -- please do n't add to the problem.And to all the liberals that have just gotten their hemp thongs in a bunch , how 's all the " hope " and " change " working out for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I currently reside in the UK.
In recent years I've seen privacy, free expression and civil liberties steadily eroded, and I can't see anything changing for the better any time soon.
With people being banned from the UK for expressing (admittedly reprehensible) opinions, the continuing efforts to implement mandatory ID cards and the prospect of a Conservative government in the near future, I'm seriously considering emigrating to a less restrictive country.
Which countries would you recommend in terms of freedom and privacy?
Distance is not an issue, though a reasonable level of stability and provision of public services would be a bonus.
"Well, since you don't seem to like Michael Savage (who is bold enough to speak the truth) and since you seem to be blaming an upcoming conservative government for all of the problems created by the past and current liberal governments, you're obviously have a severe case of rectal-cranial inversion, so do the world a favor and do NOT spread your disease to the rest of the world -- just stay where you are.
We have a big enough problem with liberal idiots here in the US -- please don't add to the problem.And to all the liberals that have just gotten their hemp thongs in a bunch, how's all the "hope" and "change" working out for you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491279</id>
	<title>Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>Augusto</author>
	<datestamp>1246036380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But to be quite honest with you, with what is going in Iran at this moment, your request seems frivolous.</p><p>I know I'm being a bit unfair, and that the mere existence of Iran doesn't excuse any violations into your privacy that you feel exist, but considering what is going on in the world this post seems ill-timed at best.</p><p>I think the word "freer" in this case is misleading, it almost sounds more like you crave for a society were privacy is respected and more protected, which I see as a different thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But to be quite honest with you , with what is going in Iran at this moment , your request seems frivolous.I know I 'm being a bit unfair , and that the mere existence of Iran does n't excuse any violations into your privacy that you feel exist , but considering what is going on in the world this post seems ill-timed at best.I think the word " freer " in this case is misleading , it almost sounds more like you crave for a society were privacy is respected and more protected , which I see as a different thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But to be quite honest with you, with what is going in Iran at this moment, your request seems frivolous.I know I'm being a bit unfair, and that the mere existence of Iran doesn't excuse any violations into your privacy that you feel exist, but considering what is going on in the world this post seems ill-timed at best.I think the word "freer" in this case is misleading, it almost sounds more like you crave for a society were privacy is respected and more protected, which I see as a different thing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493755</id>
	<title>Conservative is good!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246107300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..."prospect of a Conservative government"...<br>You should be encouraging this, British and European (paleo)conservatives are actually for less government interference, and more informal social control. Don't confuse Conservatism with Neocon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... " prospect of a Conservative government " ...You should be encouraging this , British and European ( paleo ) conservatives are actually for less government interference , and more informal social control .
Do n't confuse Conservatism with Neocon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..."prospect of a Conservative government"...You should be encouraging this, British and European (paleo)conservatives are actually for less government interference, and more informal social control.
Don't confuse Conservatism with Neocon.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493307</id>
	<title>South Africa</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246100280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously.</p><p>You can easily get a job in Cape Town, which is in the best governed district of South Africa.  Pridominately upper/middle class with excellent public services and beautiful landscape/surroundings.  One of the top tourist attractions in the World.  Oh, and awesome weather.</p><p>Very high tech market too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously.You can easily get a job in Cape Town , which is in the best governed district of South Africa .
Pridominately upper/middle class with excellent public services and beautiful landscape/surroundings .
One of the top tourist attractions in the World .
Oh , and awesome weather.Very high tech market too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.You can easily get a job in Cape Town, which is in the best governed district of South Africa.
Pridominately upper/middle class with excellent public services and beautiful landscape/surroundings.
One of the top tourist attractions in the World.
Oh, and awesome weather.Very high tech market too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492453</id>
	<title>Re:Canada would be a very good choice!</title>
	<author>TheoMurpse</author>
	<datestamp>1246132920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, you'd still have to deal with the Quebecois. Yeesh!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you 'd still have to deal with the Quebecois .
Yeesh ! ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you'd still have to deal with the Quebecois.
Yeesh! ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498297</id>
	<title>Re:Not the U.S.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246101420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Civil War is brewing.  Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes, Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield.</p></div><p>Bullocks.  Civil War requires geopolitical division -- and we don't have that.  If Obama fails, the Republican Party gets a new rallying cry.  If not, then they'll just reform or go the way of the Whigs.</p><p>There have been panderings of a coming "race war" or "civil war" or "red invasion" for longer than my father's been alive.  And they're all crap, with an amazing ability to underestimate the religious feeling that "America" inspires in its citizens.</p></div><p>No, the second civil war IS coming.</p><p>It happened once already -- or did you never learn that in the the pathetic public schools here in the US?  Have you checked the availability of ammunition lately?  Have you tried to find an AR-15 or any other military-pattern rifle?</p><p>For God's sake, man -- pull it out!  Otherwise you may wind up bringing a stout stick to a gunfight...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Civil War is brewing .
Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes , Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield.Bullocks .
Civil War requires geopolitical division -- and we do n't have that .
If Obama fails , the Republican Party gets a new rallying cry .
If not , then they 'll just reform or go the way of the Whigs.There have been panderings of a coming " race war " or " civil war " or " red invasion " for longer than my father 's been alive .
And they 're all crap , with an amazing ability to underestimate the religious feeling that " America " inspires in its citizens.No , the second civil war IS coming.It happened once already -- or did you never learn that in the the pathetic public schools here in the US ?
Have you checked the availability of ammunition lately ?
Have you tried to find an AR-15 or any other military-pattern rifle ? For God 's sake , man -- pull it out !
Otherwise you may wind up bringing a stout stick to a gunfight.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Civil War is brewing.
Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes, Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield.Bullocks.
Civil War requires geopolitical division -- and we don't have that.
If Obama fails, the Republican Party gets a new rallying cry.
If not, then they'll just reform or go the way of the Whigs.There have been panderings of a coming "race war" or "civil war" or "red invasion" for longer than my father's been alive.
And they're all crap, with an amazing ability to underestimate the religious feeling that "America" inspires in its citizens.No, the second civil war IS coming.It happened once already -- or did you never learn that in the the pathetic public schools here in the US?
Have you checked the availability of ammunition lately?
Have you tried to find an AR-15 or any other military-pattern rifle?For God's sake, man -- pull it out!
Otherwise you may wind up bringing a stout stick to a gunfight...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497809</id>
	<title>It depends on what you want out of society.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246097640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think taxation is slavery, and you don't want to help anybody, then move to the US.</p><p>If you like free health care and low crime rates, move to Canada.</p><p>That is all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think taxation is slavery , and you do n't want to help anybody , then move to the US.If you like free health care and low crime rates , move to Canada.That is all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think taxation is slavery, and you don't want to help anybody, then move to the US.If you like free health care and low crime rates, move to Canada.That is all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494117</id>
	<title>Kidding, right about the "rich, safe, peaceful" ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246112100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Rich : did you happen to follow the economic news since the last 12 months ? "rich" will pretty soon mean to have some positive bank account !!! (please, DO NOT look at the USA's financial records)</p><p>2) Safe : sure, you're safe in the sense that you're still breathing more or less rightly<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but try and take a lab test to know :<br>- which cancer-causing things you have in your bloodstream<br>- which ones you are constantly breathing (not odorless &amp; safe CO2, but the harmfull ones such as SO2 and NOx)<br>- then you can analyze your food for "safe" GMOs, having undergone harsh seconds of long-term effects testing<br>- world politics ? you're safe for just as long as the CIA's attempted coups &amp; genocide-sponsorships (practiced ever since Adolf went down, by the way) do not register on the other country's mindset</p><p>3) Peaceful ? sure, for now, while people around the world STILL have some (central-banks-illusory) money to consume their mind out of their apalling living conditions<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but just wait for a FEW months/years at most, and you'll see a world war (the causes for that one are US's NATO expansion into Russian territory &amp; provoking attacks through Georgia<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Rich : did you happen to follow the economic news since the last 12 months ?
" rich " will pretty soon mean to have some positive bank account ! ! !
( please , DO NOT look at the USA 's financial records ) 2 ) Safe : sure , you 're safe in the sense that you 're still breathing more or less rightly ... but try and take a lab test to know : - which cancer-causing things you have in your bloodstream- which ones you are constantly breathing ( not odorless &amp; safe CO2 , but the harmfull ones such as SO2 and NOx ) - then you can analyze your food for " safe " GMOs , having undergone harsh seconds of long-term effects testing- world politics ?
you 're safe for just as long as the CIA 's attempted coups &amp; genocide-sponsorships ( practiced ever since Adolf went down , by the way ) do not register on the other country 's mindset3 ) Peaceful ?
sure , for now , while people around the world STILL have some ( central-banks-illusory ) money to consume their mind out of their apalling living conditions ... ... but just wait for a FEW months/years at most , and you 'll see a world war ( the causes for that one are US 's NATO expansion into Russian territory &amp; provoking attacks through Georgia ... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Rich : did you happen to follow the economic news since the last 12 months ?
"rich" will pretty soon mean to have some positive bank account !!!
(please, DO NOT look at the USA's financial records)2) Safe : sure, you're safe in the sense that you're still breathing more or less rightly ... but try and take a lab test to know :- which cancer-causing things you have in your bloodstream- which ones you are constantly breathing (not odorless &amp; safe CO2, but the harmfull ones such as SO2 and NOx)- then you can analyze your food for "safe" GMOs, having undergone harsh seconds of long-term effects testing- world politics ?
you're safe for just as long as the CIA's attempted coups &amp; genocide-sponsorships (practiced ever since Adolf went down, by the way) do not register on the other country's mindset3) Peaceful ?
sure, for now, while people around the world STILL have some (central-banks-illusory) money to consume their mind out of their apalling living conditions ... ... but just wait for a FEW months/years at most, and you'll see a world war (the causes for that one are US's NATO expansion into Russian territory &amp; provoking attacks through Georgia ...)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492679</id>
	<title>I've thought the same thing...</title>
	<author>cowbutt</author>
	<datestamp>1246135920000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and my shortlist kinda worked like this:</p><p>- Ireland if I need to get out in a hurry, but still have family ties to the UK.<br>- France if I'm no longer active in my IT career, but have family ties.<br>- Germany or the Netherlands if I have a little bit more time to plan and still have ties.<br>- Canada or New Zealand if I have plenty of time and no ties (since I anticipate it being a one-way trip, given the way energy prices are heading long-term).</p><p>My requirements were; English-speaking, or a language I feel I can become functional in fairly quickly; preferably, a vibrant IT industry; a certain amount of distance from the UK-USA political axis (I realise that both Ireland and New Zealand are somewhat weak here) and a temperate climate; a reasonably strong culture of civil liberties (at least in recent years!)</p><p>Note that none of those choices are perfect, and German friends especially tell me that Germany is implementing many of the same anti-liberty policies as the UK. So I'm in no hurry, and have decided to stick around as long as I can and try to fight the changes here. Partly out of sheer laziness, partly because I feel if the UK falls to authoritarianism, other states (Ireland, NZ, Canada particularly) may well feel they have to fall in line too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and my shortlist kinda worked like this : - Ireland if I need to get out in a hurry , but still have family ties to the UK.- France if I 'm no longer active in my IT career , but have family ties.- Germany or the Netherlands if I have a little bit more time to plan and still have ties.- Canada or New Zealand if I have plenty of time and no ties ( since I anticipate it being a one-way trip , given the way energy prices are heading long-term ) .My requirements were ; English-speaking , or a language I feel I can become functional in fairly quickly ; preferably , a vibrant IT industry ; a certain amount of distance from the UK-USA political axis ( I realise that both Ireland and New Zealand are somewhat weak here ) and a temperate climate ; a reasonably strong culture of civil liberties ( at least in recent years !
) Note that none of those choices are perfect , and German friends especially tell me that Germany is implementing many of the same anti-liberty policies as the UK .
So I 'm in no hurry , and have decided to stick around as long as I can and try to fight the changes here .
Partly out of sheer laziness , partly because I feel if the UK falls to authoritarianism , other states ( Ireland , NZ , Canada particularly ) may well feel they have to fall in line too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and my shortlist kinda worked like this:- Ireland if I need to get out in a hurry, but still have family ties to the UK.- France if I'm no longer active in my IT career, but have family ties.- Germany or the Netherlands if I have a little bit more time to plan and still have ties.- Canada or New Zealand if I have plenty of time and no ties (since I anticipate it being a one-way trip, given the way energy prices are heading long-term).My requirements were; English-speaking, or a language I feel I can become functional in fairly quickly; preferably, a vibrant IT industry; a certain amount of distance from the UK-USA political axis (I realise that both Ireland and New Zealand are somewhat weak here) and a temperate climate; a reasonably strong culture of civil liberties (at least in recent years!
)Note that none of those choices are perfect, and German friends especially tell me that Germany is implementing many of the same anti-liberty policies as the UK.
So I'm in no hurry, and have decided to stick around as long as I can and try to fight the changes here.
Partly out of sheer laziness, partly because I feel if the UK falls to authoritarianism, other states (Ireland, NZ, Canada particularly) may well feel they have to fall in line too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493363</id>
	<title>Pirate Parties, Let's Take the Parliaments!!!</title>
	<author>zeekren</author>
	<datestamp>1246100940000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Keep reading, here are the basis of the definitive party, one which in less than 30 years will be #1 in more than 20 countries with up to 85\% vote<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)
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The big problem here is not some guys voting in a chamber about what to do with you privacy, the problem is why do we have those guys there taking decisions for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#1 The western model, called representative democracy, is not a democracy in its own, just took the word from the ancient Greece.<br>
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Greeks made a "lottery" to pick the public charges, in periods of one year. Then, the government of the city, thus, all citizens (yes, but slaves and women) checked the work made by the selected guys.
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This is cleary not what we have. We are not able to participate in such away in our governor's decisions. In fact, we are mostly choosing which group of fellas is going to make with our lives whatever the lobbies pay them to make us. Almost all we know it.
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Then, what is the problem? we are only asked from 2 to 3 times every 4 years to select people we will suffer until they leave.
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Of course, if you go against so, you are called anti-democratic or even a terrorist.
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Let's make this a bit more democratic but without completely breaking this model (yet):
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Present a party whose only principles are making electronic/non-electronic polls, and depending on people's vote (rudimentary maths accessible for everyone) , the representatives will vote proportionally. No LOBBY interests will affect public oppinion as strong as they can affect a bunch of corrupt representatives. No "party discipline" as seen in most countries...
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So, the idea is gathering votes to have a slice of any "government parliament" which will emit it's vote as a result of a poll/popular-votation.
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It's a joker party, as you can even vote it and "automate your vote to support party X", but you reserve your right to take control of your vote at any time!!!!!!!!!!!!! The perfect party for those who don't believe in parties, as well as those voters of the less hated, 85\% of population?
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This should work very well with most Pirate-Parties around the globe, as you don't express any oppinion at all and you don't need to make alliances. With time and increased visibility, this can only go growing.
<br> <br>
In most european countries this can work really well, once visible, it will cross the commonwealth, francophonie and latin america.
<br> <br>
Hey Pirate Parties, let's take the Parliaments!!!!!!!
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Yes we can doesn't mean yes we can make you make it, mr pressie. <br> <br>Yes we can means We can!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Keep reading , here are the basis of the definitive party , one which in less than 30 years will be # 1 in more than 20 countries with up to 85 \ % vote ; ) The big problem here is not some guys voting in a chamber about what to do with you privacy , the problem is why do we have those guys there taking decisions for us ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
# 1 The western model , called representative democracy , is not a democracy in its own , just took the word from the ancient Greece .
Greeks made a " lottery " to pick the public charges , in periods of one year .
Then , the government of the city , thus , all citizens ( yes , but slaves and women ) checked the work made by the selected guys .
This is cleary not what we have .
We are not able to participate in such away in our governor 's decisions .
In fact , we are mostly choosing which group of fellas is going to make with our lives whatever the lobbies pay them to make us .
Almost all we know it .
Then , what is the problem ?
we are only asked from 2 to 3 times every 4 years to select people we will suffer until they leave .
Of course , if you go against so , you are called anti-democratic or even a terrorist .
Let 's make this a bit more democratic but without completely breaking this model ( yet ) : Present a party whose only principles are making electronic/non-electronic polls , and depending on people 's vote ( rudimentary maths accessible for everyone ) , the representatives will vote proportionally .
No LOBBY interests will affect public oppinion as strong as they can affect a bunch of corrupt representatives .
No " party discipline " as seen in most countries.. . So , the idea is gathering votes to have a slice of any " government parliament " which will emit it 's vote as a result of a poll/popular-votation .
It 's a joker party , as you can even vote it and " automate your vote to support party X " , but you reserve your right to take control of your vote at any time ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
The perfect party for those who do n't believe in parties , as well as those voters of the less hated , 85 \ % of population ?
This should work very well with most Pirate-Parties around the globe , as you do n't express any oppinion at all and you do n't need to make alliances .
With time and increased visibility , this can only go growing .
In most european countries this can work really well , once visible , it will cross the commonwealth , francophonie and latin america .
Hey Pirate Parties , let 's take the Parliaments ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Yes we can does n't mean yes we can make you make it , mr pressie .
Yes we can means We can !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keep reading, here are the basis of the definitive party, one which in less than 30 years will be #1 in more than 20 countries with up to 85\% vote ;)
 
The big problem here is not some guys voting in a chamber about what to do with you privacy, the problem is why do we have those guys there taking decisions for us!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#1 The western model, called representative democracy, is not a democracy in its own, just took the word from the ancient Greece.
Greeks made a "lottery" to pick the public charges, in periods of one year.
Then, the government of the city, thus, all citizens (yes, but slaves and women) checked the work made by the selected guys.
This is cleary not what we have.
We are not able to participate in such away in our governor's decisions.
In fact, we are mostly choosing which group of fellas is going to make with our lives whatever the lobbies pay them to make us.
Almost all we know it.
Then, what is the problem?
we are only asked from 2 to 3 times every 4 years to select people we will suffer until they leave.
Of course, if you go against so, you are called anti-democratic or even a terrorist.
Let's make this a bit more democratic but without completely breaking this model (yet):
 

Present a party whose only principles are making electronic/non-electronic polls, and depending on people's vote (rudimentary maths accessible for everyone) , the representatives will vote proportionally.
No LOBBY interests will affect public oppinion as strong as they can affect a bunch of corrupt representatives.
No "party discipline" as seen in most countries...
 
So, the idea is gathering votes to have a slice of any "government parliament" which will emit it's vote as a result of a poll/popular-votation.
It's a joker party, as you can even vote it and "automate your vote to support party X", but you reserve your right to take control of your vote at any time!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The perfect party for those who don't believe in parties, as well as those voters of the less hated, 85\% of population?
This should work very well with most Pirate-Parties around the globe, as you don't express any oppinion at all and you don't need to make alliances.
With time and increased visibility, this can only go growing.
In most european countries this can work really well, once visible, it will cross the commonwealth, francophonie and latin america.
Hey Pirate Parties, let's take the Parliaments!!!!!!!
Yes we can doesn't mean yes we can make you make it, mr pressie.
Yes we can means We can!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491295</id>
	<title>nowhere</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246036500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can try Somalia, but if you want any kind of services - like a stable government - you have to deal with the government. This whole concept of freedom and privacy is relatively new and I don't think it will last.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can try Somalia , but if you want any kind of services - like a stable government - you have to deal with the government .
This whole concept of freedom and privacy is relatively new and I do n't think it will last .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can try Somalia, but if you want any kind of services - like a stable government - you have to deal with the government.
This whole concept of freedom and privacy is relatively new and I don't think it will last.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491809</id>
	<title>Re:I'd recommend Australia or Canada...NOT the U.S</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246040100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not Canada. Nothing there but <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsgVspgy184" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">snow and hosers</a> [youtube.com]. Stay away, eh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not Canada .
Nothing there but snow and hosers [ youtube.com ] .
Stay away , eh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not Canada.
Nothing there but snow and hosers [youtube.com].
Stay away, eh.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28511693</id>
	<title>Re:Anarchy?</title>
	<author>mgcarley</author>
	<datestamp>1246272780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a list based on my own stays in those respective countries. I have some other countries also in this list based on a small amount of research (when I've thought "Hmm, I wonder what it's like living in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.....")</p><p>Some depend on whether religion is important to you. Others on language. Others on currency strength/purchasing power. Others that sound like they're rubbish but actually provide surprisingly decent services (food, water, roads, communications, language). The main thing is residency visas and obtaining accommodations. In Europe, this will not be a problem for you, as I assume you're a UK citizen.</p><p>Europe:<br>Czech Republic - Cheap(ish), OK taxes, decent services, even in some smaller cities. Gets a bit cold in the south during winter, though. Same is probably true of Slovakia. You're near to great places to ski (Austria, Switzerland, Italy) and nice places to take a bike-ride to (I stayed in Breclav for a while, just on the border with Austria. Used to bike to - and cross - the Austrian border or go out to many of the castles. Decent beer and wine, too!)</p><p>Italy/Spain/Portugal/Canaries/Gibraltar - I'm sure you've been to these places, and I doubt I need to mention why they would be on my list. Areas of each respective country can differ - I'd prefer Girona over Barcelona, or some small town east of Bologna as opposed to Milan, for example.</p><p>France - Not so great on taxes, but can still be good for UK immigrants. I'd like to move back there.</p><p>Romania - Very cheap. Decent services. Depends on which cities you go to, though. I would recommend Cluj over Bucharest, for example. Language may be a problem in some parts. Gets a bit cold in the south during winter. Center of the country (Cluj) seemed OK even in January. Some roads a bit dodgy.</p><p>Bulgaria - Very cheap. A bit cold. Somewhat corrupt, but EU, at least. Decent services in most of the country. On the eastern coast (black sea) there are even some resorts/tourist towns if that's your thing. May be a language barrier outside of Sofia (Bulgarian/Russian)</p><p>Turkey - Surprisingly good roads. Istanbul is great - a lot of western amenities available (Malls, Starbucks, Vodafone etc). Places like Samsun (North coast, on the black sea again) is also nice. You could even do short trips to Georgia and Armenia just to be interesting. Not as many Western Amenities, but friendly people.</p><p>Finland - Bit high taxes, high cost of living, but very good infrastructure. They're doing well on most fronts when it comes to privacy. Immigration should be a piece of cake as you're UK, but you'll probably need means of supporting yourself, therefore if you don't speak Finnish, this may be a problem (although, a large percentage of Finns, and almost all under 40 speak English). I left there in December '08 after living there for 3 years myself - I liked it there, but at the end of the day, I couldn't wait for the bureaucracy any longer to process my visa (I am not an EU citizen) - I'd already spent a big chunk of money and a combined total of 3 years (until May '09) waiting for visas. I know plenty of UK expats there, though.</p><p>Norway, Sweden, Denmark - Similar to Finland, without the language requirements in many cases.</p><p>You could also try places like Croatia and Slovenia, but I'm not 100\% sure on these ones as I haven't been for decent periods of time. Switzerland and Austria may also be worth a look. And Malta. And Cyprus. And Greece. Maybe.</p><p>Asia:<br>Thailand - Getting a residency visa may be an issue, but surely can be done. Reasonably priced communications (internet, mobile). Serviced Apartments very easy to obtain, and cheap, especially in Bangkok - but anywhere shouldn't be a problem. TESL a good option for full or part-time work if you're after it. Not much of a language barrier - most Thai people will try to speak English. At least the monarchy is stable!</p><p>Malaysia: Pretty good in most of the country, and if you live (for example) in KL, then taking a holiday to one of the Islands in the Andaman is j</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a list based on my own stays in those respective countries .
I have some other countries also in this list based on a small amount of research ( when I 've thought " Hmm , I wonder what it 's like living in ..... " ) Some depend on whether religion is important to you .
Others on language .
Others on currency strength/purchasing power .
Others that sound like they 're rubbish but actually provide surprisingly decent services ( food , water , roads , communications , language ) .
The main thing is residency visas and obtaining accommodations .
In Europe , this will not be a problem for you , as I assume you 're a UK citizen.Europe : Czech Republic - Cheap ( ish ) , OK taxes , decent services , even in some smaller cities .
Gets a bit cold in the south during winter , though .
Same is probably true of Slovakia .
You 're near to great places to ski ( Austria , Switzerland , Italy ) and nice places to take a bike-ride to ( I stayed in Breclav for a while , just on the border with Austria .
Used to bike to - and cross - the Austrian border or go out to many of the castles .
Decent beer and wine , too !
) Italy/Spain/Portugal/Canaries/Gibraltar - I 'm sure you 've been to these places , and I doubt I need to mention why they would be on my list .
Areas of each respective country can differ - I 'd prefer Girona over Barcelona , or some small town east of Bologna as opposed to Milan , for example.France - Not so great on taxes , but can still be good for UK immigrants .
I 'd like to move back there.Romania - Very cheap .
Decent services .
Depends on which cities you go to , though .
I would recommend Cluj over Bucharest , for example .
Language may be a problem in some parts .
Gets a bit cold in the south during winter .
Center of the country ( Cluj ) seemed OK even in January .
Some roads a bit dodgy.Bulgaria - Very cheap .
A bit cold .
Somewhat corrupt , but EU , at least .
Decent services in most of the country .
On the eastern coast ( black sea ) there are even some resorts/tourist towns if that 's your thing .
May be a language barrier outside of Sofia ( Bulgarian/Russian ) Turkey - Surprisingly good roads .
Istanbul is great - a lot of western amenities available ( Malls , Starbucks , Vodafone etc ) .
Places like Samsun ( North coast , on the black sea again ) is also nice .
You could even do short trips to Georgia and Armenia just to be interesting .
Not as many Western Amenities , but friendly people.Finland - Bit high taxes , high cost of living , but very good infrastructure .
They 're doing well on most fronts when it comes to privacy .
Immigration should be a piece of cake as you 're UK , but you 'll probably need means of supporting yourself , therefore if you do n't speak Finnish , this may be a problem ( although , a large percentage of Finns , and almost all under 40 speak English ) .
I left there in December '08 after living there for 3 years myself - I liked it there , but at the end of the day , I could n't wait for the bureaucracy any longer to process my visa ( I am not an EU citizen ) - I 'd already spent a big chunk of money and a combined total of 3 years ( until May '09 ) waiting for visas .
I know plenty of UK expats there , though.Norway , Sweden , Denmark - Similar to Finland , without the language requirements in many cases.You could also try places like Croatia and Slovenia , but I 'm not 100 \ % sure on these ones as I have n't been for decent periods of time .
Switzerland and Austria may also be worth a look .
And Malta .
And Cyprus .
And Greece .
Maybe.Asia : Thailand - Getting a residency visa may be an issue , but surely can be done .
Reasonably priced communications ( internet , mobile ) .
Serviced Apartments very easy to obtain , and cheap , especially in Bangkok - but anywhere should n't be a problem .
TESL a good option for full or part-time work if you 're after it .
Not much of a language barrier - most Thai people will try to speak English .
At least the monarchy is stable ! Malaysia : Pretty good in most of the country , and if you live ( for example ) in KL , then taking a holiday to one of the Islands in the Andaman is j</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a list based on my own stays in those respective countries.
I have some other countries also in this list based on a small amount of research (when I've thought "Hmm, I wonder what it's like living in .....")Some depend on whether religion is important to you.
Others on language.
Others on currency strength/purchasing power.
Others that sound like they're rubbish but actually provide surprisingly decent services (food, water, roads, communications, language).
The main thing is residency visas and obtaining accommodations.
In Europe, this will not be a problem for you, as I assume you're a UK citizen.Europe:Czech Republic - Cheap(ish), OK taxes, decent services, even in some smaller cities.
Gets a bit cold in the south during winter, though.
Same is probably true of Slovakia.
You're near to great places to ski (Austria, Switzerland, Italy) and nice places to take a bike-ride to (I stayed in Breclav for a while, just on the border with Austria.
Used to bike to - and cross - the Austrian border or go out to many of the castles.
Decent beer and wine, too!
)Italy/Spain/Portugal/Canaries/Gibraltar - I'm sure you've been to these places, and I doubt I need to mention why they would be on my list.
Areas of each respective country can differ - I'd prefer Girona over Barcelona, or some small town east of Bologna as opposed to Milan, for example.France - Not so great on taxes, but can still be good for UK immigrants.
I'd like to move back there.Romania - Very cheap.
Decent services.
Depends on which cities you go to, though.
I would recommend Cluj over Bucharest, for example.
Language may be a problem in some parts.
Gets a bit cold in the south during winter.
Center of the country (Cluj) seemed OK even in January.
Some roads a bit dodgy.Bulgaria - Very cheap.
A bit cold.
Somewhat corrupt, but EU, at least.
Decent services in most of the country.
On the eastern coast (black sea) there are even some resorts/tourist towns if that's your thing.
May be a language barrier outside of Sofia (Bulgarian/Russian)Turkey - Surprisingly good roads.
Istanbul is great - a lot of western amenities available (Malls, Starbucks, Vodafone etc).
Places like Samsun (North coast, on the black sea again) is also nice.
You could even do short trips to Georgia and Armenia just to be interesting.
Not as many Western Amenities, but friendly people.Finland - Bit high taxes, high cost of living, but very good infrastructure.
They're doing well on most fronts when it comes to privacy.
Immigration should be a piece of cake as you're UK, but you'll probably need means of supporting yourself, therefore if you don't speak Finnish, this may be a problem (although, a large percentage of Finns, and almost all under 40 speak English).
I left there in December '08 after living there for 3 years myself - I liked it there, but at the end of the day, I couldn't wait for the bureaucracy any longer to process my visa (I am not an EU citizen) - I'd already spent a big chunk of money and a combined total of 3 years (until May '09) waiting for visas.
I know plenty of UK expats there, though.Norway, Sweden, Denmark - Similar to Finland, without the language requirements in many cases.You could also try places like Croatia and Slovenia, but I'm not 100\% sure on these ones as I haven't been for decent periods of time.
Switzerland and Austria may also be worth a look.
And Malta.
And Cyprus.
And Greece.
Maybe.Asia:Thailand - Getting a residency visa may be an issue, but surely can be done.
Reasonably priced communications (internet, mobile).
Serviced Apartments very easy to obtain, and cheap, especially in Bangkok - but anywhere shouldn't be a problem.
TESL a good option for full or part-time work if you're after it.
Not much of a language barrier - most Thai people will try to speak English.
At least the monarchy is stable!Malaysia: Pretty good in most of the country, and if you live (for example) in KL, then taking a holiday to one of the Islands in the Andaman is j</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491633</id>
	<title>Survey says - Hong Kong.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246038660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, if you can believe <a href="http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking.aspx" title="heritage.org" rel="nofollow">this</a> [heritage.org]
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I live in California, which is really screwed up, but I personally don't feel the pain, yet.
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I see Australia and New Zealand rank higher, but even in California you can buy firearms still. My sister lived in New Zealand for a while, but said it seemed like she was living in the USA, in the 1950s... whatever that means, maybe that is a good thing.
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FWIW, the USA is #6, a few steps above the UK. We have some bad stuff going on, but in practice it is a big place where folks don't pay attention to the letter of the law in a lot of cases.
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<br>
Of course, this is an "economics" score, so it might not be what you are looking for. If you want freedom, as in anarchy, get your money first, then move to some hell-hole where you can hire thugs to protect you while you do whatever you want.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , if you can believe this [ heritage.org ] I live in California , which is really screwed up , but I personally do n't feel the pain , yet .
I see Australia and New Zealand rank higher , but even in California you can buy firearms still .
My sister lived in New Zealand for a while , but said it seemed like she was living in the USA , in the 1950s... whatever that means , maybe that is a good thing .
FWIW , the USA is # 6 , a few steps above the UK .
We have some bad stuff going on , but in practice it is a big place where folks do n't pay attention to the letter of the law in a lot of cases .
Of course , this is an " economics " score , so it might not be what you are looking for .
If you want freedom , as in anarchy , get your money first , then move to some hell-hole where you can hire thugs to protect you while you do whatever you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, if you can believe this [heritage.org]


I live in California, which is really screwed up, but I personally don't feel the pain, yet.
I see Australia and New Zealand rank higher, but even in California you can buy firearms still.
My sister lived in New Zealand for a while, but said it seemed like she was living in the USA, in the 1950s... whatever that means, maybe that is a good thing.
FWIW, the USA is #6, a few steps above the UK.
We have some bad stuff going on, but in practice it is a big place where folks don't pay attention to the letter of the law in a lot of cases.
Of course, this is an "economics" score, so it might not be what you are looking for.
If you want freedom, as in anarchy, get your money first, then move to some hell-hole where you can hire thugs to protect you while you do whatever you want.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491491</id>
	<title>Stay away from Canada</title>
	<author>Linegod</author>
	<datestamp>1246037760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stay away from Canada.   It's horrible here.  No freedom.  You wouldn't like it.   Try the US, I hear they have a magic president or something.</p><p>wanker...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stay away from Canada .
It 's horrible here .
No freedom .
You would n't like it .
Try the US , I hear they have a magic president or something.wanker.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stay away from Canada.
It's horrible here.
No freedom.
You wouldn't like it.
Try the US, I hear they have a magic president or something.wanker...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495591</id>
	<title>Re:Not the U.S.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246124700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Civil War is brewing.  Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes, Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield.</p></div><p>Bullocks.  Civil War requires geopolitical division -- and we don't have that.  If Obama fails, the Republican Party gets a new rallying cry.  If not, then they'll just reform or go the way of the Whigs.</p></div><p>What if Obama fails and re-images failure as victory?</p><p>And the media likes it?</p><p>And anyone of the media who doesn't agree is deemed "unfair" and shouted down?</p><p>And...</p><p>Actually, I agree with you, because, although there are enough people opposed to tyranny in principle, I don't see much sign that there are enough prepared to do anything about it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Civil War is brewing .
Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes , Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield.Bullocks .
Civil War requires geopolitical division -- and we do n't have that .
If Obama fails , the Republican Party gets a new rallying cry .
If not , then they 'll just reform or go the way of the Whigs.What if Obama fails and re-images failure as victory ? And the media likes it ? And anyone of the media who does n't agree is deemed " unfair " and shouted down ? And...Actually , I agree with you , because , although there are enough people opposed to tyranny in principle , I do n't see much sign that there are enough prepared to do anything about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Civil War is brewing.
Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes, Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield.Bullocks.
Civil War requires geopolitical division -- and we don't have that.
If Obama fails, the Republican Party gets a new rallying cry.
If not, then they'll just reform or go the way of the Whigs.What if Obama fails and re-images failure as victory?And the media likes it?And anyone of the media who doesn't agree is deemed "unfair" and shouted down?And...Actually, I agree with you, because, although there are enough people opposed to tyranny in principle, I don't see much sign that there are enough prepared to do anything about it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491487</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493397</id>
	<title>At a guess..</title>
	<author>malkavian</author>
	<datestamp>1246101360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're under 30, and never really lived under a conservative government.. The current one loves to spin, lie, and rely on knee jerk fear to shape the populace..  All the restrictions on liberty you mention are proposed by the current government and actually opposed by the one you're afraid of? What's that logic? There is a government that will likely give back some freedom, but you don't want them because they're tre bogeyman because labour tell you so?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're under 30 , and never really lived under a conservative government.. The current one loves to spin , lie , and rely on knee jerk fear to shape the populace.. All the restrictions on liberty you mention are proposed by the current government and actually opposed by the one you 're afraid of ?
What 's that logic ?
There is a government that will likely give back some freedom , but you do n't want them because they 're tre bogeyman because labour tell you so ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're under 30, and never really lived under a conservative government.. The current one loves to spin, lie, and rely on knee jerk fear to shape the populace..  All the restrictions on liberty you mention are proposed by the current government and actually opposed by the one you're afraid of?
What's that logic?
There is a government that will likely give back some freedom, but you don't want them because they're tre bogeyman because labour tell you so?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492637</id>
	<title>The CIA World Factbook -- A Good Start</title>
	<author>LowlyWorm</author>
	<datestamp>1246135440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The <a href="https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/" title="cia.gov" rel="nofollow">CIA World Factbook</a> [cia.gov] would be a good start. Lots of demographic information such as language, economy, geography, etc. are available. A lot can be determined from the information available there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The CIA World Factbook [ cia.gov ] would be a good start .
Lots of demographic information such as language , economy , geography , etc .
are available .
A lot can be determined from the information available there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The CIA World Factbook [cia.gov] would be a good start.
Lots of demographic information such as language, economy, geography, etc.
are available.
A lot can be determined from the information available there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493593</id>
	<title>Re:Come to Australia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246104360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A big problem with Australia is the xenophobic population. The poster might not feel the effect too much - coming from UK , but for a person from China/India/Africa etc, it would be big problem indeed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A big problem with Australia is the xenophobic population .
The poster might not feel the effect too much - coming from UK , but for a person from China/India/Africa etc , it would be big problem indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A big problem with Australia is the xenophobic population.
The poster might not feel the effect too much - coming from UK , but for a person from China/India/Africa etc, it would be big problem indeed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492193</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495517</id>
	<title>Life as an alien can be hard</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246124160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wherever you emigrate to, you'll enjoy <b>less</b> freedom that the locals, because as a (legal) alien, you usually don't enjoy all Citizen's rights. Effectively, you'll be at the mercy of the foreign government even more than at home. But if you're willing to accept that risk, there are plenty of countries outside the US/EU sphere that you can feel comfortable in... as long as you don't collide with their local taboos and social rules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wherever you emigrate to , you 'll enjoy less freedom that the locals , because as a ( legal ) alien , you usually do n't enjoy all Citizen 's rights .
Effectively , you 'll be at the mercy of the foreign government even more than at home .
But if you 're willing to accept that risk , there are plenty of countries outside the US/EU sphere that you can feel comfortable in... as long as you do n't collide with their local taboos and social rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wherever you emigrate to, you'll enjoy less freedom that the locals, because as a (legal) alien, you usually don't enjoy all Citizen's rights.
Effectively, you'll be at the mercy of the foreign government even more than at home.
But if you're willing to accept that risk, there are plenty of countries outside the US/EU sphere that you can feel comfortable in... as long as you don't collide with their local taboos and social rules.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498995</id>
	<title>May I suggest Texas?</title>
	<author>Luke has no name</author>
	<datestamp>1246107660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's easy for people to pick on Texas (like Fark picks on Florida), but Texas is pretty kick ass. Very independent, "fuck you" attitude here. Also, it might as well be its own country in terms of economic, geographical and societal diversity.</p><p>If you like the coast, we have 370 miles of it. If you like desert, we have 14 million acres in the Chihuahuan Desert. We have hillcountry, flatland, and farmland. No state income tax (we do have property, 8.25\% sales, and various others.)</p><p>I certainly enjoy it here. The economy is much freer here than in other parts of the US. Almost no unions (other than that bastard teachers' union), it's a right-to-work state, and less taxes than other places. Regularly our cities are ranked some of the best places in the US to live (Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's easy for people to pick on Texas ( like Fark picks on Florida ) , but Texas is pretty kick ass .
Very independent , " fuck you " attitude here .
Also , it might as well be its own country in terms of economic , geographical and societal diversity.If you like the coast , we have 370 miles of it .
If you like desert , we have 14 million acres in the Chihuahuan Desert .
We have hillcountry , flatland , and farmland .
No state income tax ( we do have property , 8.25 \ % sales , and various others .
) I certainly enjoy it here .
The economy is much freer here than in other parts of the US .
Almost no unions ( other than that bastard teachers ' union ) , it 's a right-to-work state , and less taxes than other places .
Regularly our cities are ranked some of the best places in the US to live ( Houston , San Antonio , Fort Worth ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's easy for people to pick on Texas (like Fark picks on Florida), but Texas is pretty kick ass.
Very independent, "fuck you" attitude here.
Also, it might as well be its own country in terms of economic, geographical and societal diversity.If you like the coast, we have 370 miles of it.
If you like desert, we have 14 million acres in the Chihuahuan Desert.
We have hillcountry, flatland, and farmland.
No state income tax (we do have property, 8.25\% sales, and various others.
)I certainly enjoy it here.
The economy is much freer here than in other parts of the US.
Almost no unions (other than that bastard teachers' union), it's a right-to-work state, and less taxes than other places.
Regularly our cities are ranked some of the best places in the US to live (Houston, San Antonio, Fort Worth).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491383</id>
	<title>Don't come to the U.S.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246037220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have the Department of Homeland Stupidity (English for Gestapo).  We have more Czar's than Soviet Russia.  You can't wipe your ass without Supreme Court Approval, and our government taxes the poor to ensure the welfare of the rich.<br> <br>
These days it seems like the world is upside down, so I would look to countries that claim to be communist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have the Department of Homeland Stupidity ( English for Gestapo ) .
We have more Czar 's than Soviet Russia .
You ca n't wipe your ass without Supreme Court Approval , and our government taxes the poor to ensure the welfare of the rich .
These days it seems like the world is upside down , so I would look to countries that claim to be communist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have the Department of Homeland Stupidity (English for Gestapo).
We have more Czar's than Soviet Russia.
You can't wipe your ass without Supreme Court Approval, and our government taxes the poor to ensure the welfare of the rich.
These days it seems like the world is upside down, so I would look to countries that claim to be communist.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28500927</id>
	<title>Mind local military draft laws when choosing</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1246123440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I won't add anything to many good lists people have already posted, but would like to remind of one aspect that may not be immediately obvious to a UK resident. Quite a few countries around the world, including Europe, still have military conscription. And in some of them, you have to do your time once you become a full citizen, so long as you're still of suitable age then. IIRC, this is the case for Switzerland, for example, and maybe also Finland?</p><p>Anyway, just something you want to check up the local laws on. Of course, it may well also be that you do not mind spending a year in what is essentially a free boy scout camp for adults(especially as conscripts don't generally get sent to active duty)... ~</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wo n't add anything to many good lists people have already posted , but would like to remind of one aspect that may not be immediately obvious to a UK resident .
Quite a few countries around the world , including Europe , still have military conscription .
And in some of them , you have to do your time once you become a full citizen , so long as you 're still of suitable age then .
IIRC , this is the case for Switzerland , for example , and maybe also Finland ? Anyway , just something you want to check up the local laws on .
Of course , it may well also be that you do not mind spending a year in what is essentially a free boy scout camp for adults ( especially as conscripts do n't generally get sent to active duty ) ... ~</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I won't add anything to many good lists people have already posted, but would like to remind of one aspect that may not be immediately obvious to a UK resident.
Quite a few countries around the world, including Europe, still have military conscription.
And in some of them, you have to do your time once you become a full citizen, so long as you're still of suitable age then.
IIRC, this is the case for Switzerland, for example, and maybe also Finland?Anyway, just something you want to check up the local laws on.
Of course, it may well also be that you do not mind spending a year in what is essentially a free boy scout camp for adults(especially as conscripts don't generally get sent to active duty)... ~</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492231</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246044180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, everybody loves Switzerland, but good luck getting a visa if you aren't one of the countries that already has bi-lateral agreements with them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , everybody loves Switzerland , but good luck getting a visa if you are n't one of the countries that already has bi-lateral agreements with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, everybody loves Switzerland, but good luck getting a visa if you aren't one of the countries that already has bi-lateral agreements with them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491775</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494449</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>Warlord88</author>
	<datestamp>1246115100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>17th out of what, 200 odd countries? I'd say its pretty much near the top. The top two countries according to the report are Iceland and Norway. Really? Would you prefer moving altogether to a new country like Iceland because of some newspaper articles that say your privacy is being invaded?</htmltext>
<tokenext>17th out of what , 200 odd countries ?
I 'd say its pretty much near the top .
The top two countries according to the report are Iceland and Norway .
Really ? Would you prefer moving altogether to a new country like Iceland because of some newspaper articles that say your privacy is being invaded ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>17th out of what, 200 odd countries?
I'd say its pretty much near the top.
The top two countries according to the report are Iceland and Norway.
Really? Would you prefer moving altogether to a new country like Iceland because of some newspaper articles that say your privacy is being invaded?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495353</id>
	<title>Re:Hope you like guns</title>
	<author>Lije Baley</author>
	<datestamp>1246122660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't believe I got modded Troll for this AFTER I made reasonable, clarifying responses to others' comments.  I'm sorry if I threatened some teenager's idealism, but I put forth a sincere opinion in this discussion, and apparently because I was too vague in my reference to guns, I get burned for it.  In the future, please read a poster's responses before modding.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe I got modded Troll for this AFTER I made reasonable , clarifying responses to others ' comments .
I 'm sorry if I threatened some teenager 's idealism , but I put forth a sincere opinion in this discussion , and apparently because I was too vague in my reference to guns , I get burned for it .
In the future , please read a poster 's responses before modding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe I got modded Troll for this AFTER I made reasonable, clarifying responses to others' comments.
I'm sorry if I threatened some teenager's idealism, but I put forth a sincere opinion in this discussion, and apparently because I was too vague in my reference to guns, I get burned for it.
In the future, please read a poster's responses before modding.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491293</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491625</id>
	<title>Living</title>
	<author>lsdi</author>
	<datestamp>1246038600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm from Brazil. I used to live in the US (one year contract only - an infamous H1B), Ireland and Italy. I found that there are types of freedom. Sometimes I felt that Brazil was a more free place than US. But when it comes to media, I don't think there are many countries with the US level of freedom of speech. Everything comes at a cost, even freedom.

In Brazil media is not under gov control, except for age classification. BUT, usually you get sued by who you are talking about and may have to pay some huge amount of money for it.

I would recommend Brazil, getting Brazilian citizenship is very easy, usually you just need to stay here for some years and giving up your origin citizenship. Getting a job... that's another story...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm from Brazil .
I used to live in the US ( one year contract only - an infamous H1B ) , Ireland and Italy .
I found that there are types of freedom .
Sometimes I felt that Brazil was a more free place than US .
But when it comes to media , I do n't think there are many countries with the US level of freedom of speech .
Everything comes at a cost , even freedom .
In Brazil media is not under gov control , except for age classification .
BUT , usually you get sued by who you are talking about and may have to pay some huge amount of money for it .
I would recommend Brazil , getting Brazilian citizenship is very easy , usually you just need to stay here for some years and giving up your origin citizenship .
Getting a job... that 's another story.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm from Brazil.
I used to live in the US (one year contract only - an infamous H1B), Ireland and Italy.
I found that there are types of freedom.
Sometimes I felt that Brazil was a more free place than US.
But when it comes to media, I don't think there are many countries with the US level of freedom of speech.
Everything comes at a cost, even freedom.
In Brazil media is not under gov control, except for age classification.
BUT, usually you get sued by who you are talking about and may have to pay some huge amount of money for it.
I would recommend Brazil, getting Brazilian citizenship is very easy, usually you just need to stay here for some years and giving up your origin citizenship.
Getting a job... that's another story...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492217</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>descil</author>
	<datestamp>1246043940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>&gt; You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen?<br><br>Yes. Isn't it obvious?<br><br>&gt; I don't think you've thought about this very seriously.<br><br>I think you're a coward.<br><br>&gt; How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters?<br><br>I'm not sure what the answer to that is, although I guarantee you it's more than you're thinking.<br>But here are some better questions: How many Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters will fire at US soil? How many will fire at the other tanks and helicopters?<br><br>&gt; "well, I WANT to do X, but since the citizens have so many guns, maybe that wouldn't be a good idea."<br><br>Hmmm. I don't see CCTV on MY streets. I get to smoke all I want and never have any trouble. In front of the police station, they sniff the air and then smile and wave. And yes, they're MY streets. You want to come take 'em? I don't care who you are, there's no way to do it. You gonna point a tank at every civilian? Sorry, the military's just not that well funded. the USA is BIG, dude.<br><br>&gt; It is a right to defend yourself from the government, not an establishment of the power to overthrow the government.<br><br>Nobody wants to overthrow the government. That'd be stupid - next thing you know, all the rich people lose all their money. Yeah, that's gonna happen. But we can defend ourselves, in a billion different ways, with guns made of paper and ink and money, mostly. So yeah, we may very well STILL BE THE FREEST NATION IN THE WORLD. go us. f* you.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen ? Yes .
Is n't it obvious ? &gt; I do n't think you 've thought about this very seriously.I think you 're a coward. &gt; How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters ? I 'm not sure what the answer to that is , although I guarantee you it 's more than you 're thinking.But here are some better questions : How many Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters will fire at US soil ?
How many will fire at the other tanks and helicopters ? &gt; " well , I WANT to do X , but since the citizens have so many guns , maybe that would n't be a good idea. " Hmmm .
I do n't see CCTV on MY streets .
I get to smoke all I want and never have any trouble .
In front of the police station , they sniff the air and then smile and wave .
And yes , they 're MY streets .
You want to come take 'em ?
I do n't care who you are , there 's no way to do it .
You gon na point a tank at every civilian ?
Sorry , the military 's just not that well funded .
the USA is BIG , dude. &gt; It is a right to defend yourself from the government , not an establishment of the power to overthrow the government.Nobody wants to overthrow the government .
That 'd be stupid - next thing you know , all the rich people lose all their money .
Yeah , that 's gon na happen .
But we can defend ourselves , in a billion different ways , with guns made of paper and ink and money , mostly .
So yeah , we may very well STILL BE THE FREEST NATION IN THE WORLD .
go us .
f * you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen?Yes.
Isn't it obvious?&gt; I don't think you've thought about this very seriously.I think you're a coward.&gt; How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters?I'm not sure what the answer to that is, although I guarantee you it's more than you're thinking.But here are some better questions: How many Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters will fire at US soil?
How many will fire at the other tanks and helicopters?&gt; "well, I WANT to do X, but since the citizens have so many guns, maybe that wouldn't be a good idea."Hmmm.
I don't see CCTV on MY streets.
I get to smoke all I want and never have any trouble.
In front of the police station, they sniff the air and then smile and wave.
And yes, they're MY streets.
You want to come take 'em?
I don't care who you are, there's no way to do it.
You gonna point a tank at every civilian?
Sorry, the military's just not that well funded.
the USA is BIG, dude.&gt; It is a right to defend yourself from the government, not an establishment of the power to overthrow the government.Nobody wants to overthrow the government.
That'd be stupid - next thing you know, all the rich people lose all their money.
Yeah, that's gonna happen.
But we can defend ourselves, in a billion different ways, with guns made of paper and ink and money, mostly.
So yeah, we may very well STILL BE THE FREEST NATION IN THE WORLD.
go us.
f* you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493143</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246098060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good points, all, I completely agree.</p><p>But I suspect the original post seeks more than just plain freedom, and I believe it has to do with the sampling of gobs of foreign pussy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good points , all , I completely agree.But I suspect the original post seeks more than just plain freedom , and I believe it has to do with the sampling of gobs of foreign pussy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good points, all, I completely agree.But I suspect the original post seeks more than just plain freedom, and I believe it has to do with the sampling of gobs of foreign pussy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493511</id>
	<title>Escape is Futile</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246103340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How long do you expect to flee diminishing freedom?!</p><p>Take a look to Germany for example: same thing. France: same thing. All over Europe: same thing. Some countries are ahead, others follow, but Sweden or Norway will -if not on their own- be forced to do the same thing than any other country. See the tax related discussions with Switzerland, Cayman etc. A litte "pressure" and there it goes, "freedom".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How long do you expect to flee diminishing freedom ?
! Take a look to Germany for example : same thing .
France : same thing .
All over Europe : same thing .
Some countries are ahead , others follow , but Sweden or Norway will -if not on their own- be forced to do the same thing than any other country .
See the tax related discussions with Switzerland , Cayman etc .
A litte " pressure " and there it goes , " freedom " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long do you expect to flee diminishing freedom?
!Take a look to Germany for example: same thing.
France: same thing.
All over Europe: same thing.
Some countries are ahead, others follow, but Sweden or Norway will -if not on their own- be forced to do the same thing than any other country.
See the tax related discussions with Switzerland, Cayman etc.
A litte "pressure" and there it goes, "freedom".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492193</id>
	<title>Come to Australia</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1246043640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reasons to come here:<br>Low interest rates (make sure you avoid the big banks, they are looking for more and more ways to rip you off)<br>One of the most stable economies of all the first world nations<br>A government that is building one of the largest single communications networks ever built (FTTP in all large cities and towns)<br>Real choice in ISPs (as long as you do a search on sites like yourbroadband.com.au before buying a house and make sure that ADSL is available to that house)<br>A brand new fiber link to Guam being installed (which will then on-link to the US, Japan etc) to provide faster connections to the rest of the world<br>A choice of not one but THREE different carriers who will sell you an iPhone (if Apple gear is your thing)<br>A lot less of those freedom-restricting laws you seem not to like<br>An upper house with real political power (the government does not hold the ballance of power in the Senate and those that do will block government measures if they dont like what the government wants to do)<br>No internet censorship (the government wants to bring it in but all the indications are that they wont get the numbers in the Senate to do it)<br>English speaking population<br>Lots of ties back to the UK (being a Commonwealth country and all)<br>A competition regulator with teeth who will actually ACT when companies do something anti-competitive<br>A decent health system</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reasons to come here : Low interest rates ( make sure you avoid the big banks , they are looking for more and more ways to rip you off ) One of the most stable economies of all the first world nationsA government that is building one of the largest single communications networks ever built ( FTTP in all large cities and towns ) Real choice in ISPs ( as long as you do a search on sites like yourbroadband.com.au before buying a house and make sure that ADSL is available to that house ) A brand new fiber link to Guam being installed ( which will then on-link to the US , Japan etc ) to provide faster connections to the rest of the worldA choice of not one but THREE different carriers who will sell you an iPhone ( if Apple gear is your thing ) A lot less of those freedom-restricting laws you seem not to likeAn upper house with real political power ( the government does not hold the ballance of power in the Senate and those that do will block government measures if they dont like what the government wants to do ) No internet censorship ( the government wants to bring it in but all the indications are that they wont get the numbers in the Senate to do it ) English speaking populationLots of ties back to the UK ( being a Commonwealth country and all ) A competition regulator with teeth who will actually ACT when companies do something anti-competitiveA decent health system</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reasons to come here:Low interest rates (make sure you avoid the big banks, they are looking for more and more ways to rip you off)One of the most stable economies of all the first world nationsA government that is building one of the largest single communications networks ever built (FTTP in all large cities and towns)Real choice in ISPs (as long as you do a search on sites like yourbroadband.com.au before buying a house and make sure that ADSL is available to that house)A brand new fiber link to Guam being installed (which will then on-link to the US, Japan etc) to provide faster connections to the rest of the worldA choice of not one but THREE different carriers who will sell you an iPhone (if Apple gear is your thing)A lot less of those freedom-restricting laws you seem not to likeAn upper house with real political power (the government does not hold the ballance of power in the Senate and those that do will block government measures if they dont like what the government wants to do)No internet censorship (the government wants to bring it in but all the indications are that they wont get the numbers in the Senate to do it)English speaking populationLots of ties back to the UK (being a Commonwealth country and all)A competition regulator with teeth who will actually ACT when companies do something anti-competitiveA decent health system</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494923</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>edivad</author>
	<datestamp>1246119600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only thing you might miss, is the ocean. For that you have to drive to Italy. (Right below it. At Venice for example.)</p><p>I dare you to beat that package.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></div><p>OK, I'm not arguing about your other points, but:<br>
<br>
1) Venice it's not under Switzerland<br> <br>
2) The Adriatic sea (the one on which Venice is) is NOT an Ocean<br> <br>
3) Driving down from Switzerland you get in the Genova region (Liguria), and that's the Mediterranean sea, that is NOT an Ocean too</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only thing you might miss , is the ocean .
For that you have to drive to Italy .
( Right below it .
At Venice for example .
) I dare you to beat that package .
: DOK , I 'm not arguing about your other points , but : 1 ) Venice it 's not under Switzerland 2 ) The Adriatic sea ( the one on which Venice is ) is NOT an Ocean 3 ) Driving down from Switzerland you get in the Genova region ( Liguria ) , and that 's the Mediterranean sea , that is NOT an Ocean too</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing you might miss, is the ocean.
For that you have to drive to Italy.
(Right below it.
At Venice for example.
)I dare you to beat that package.
:DOK, I'm not arguing about your other points, but:

1) Venice it's not under Switzerland 
2) The Adriatic sea (the one on which Venice is) is NOT an Ocean 
3) Driving down from Switzerland you get in the Genova region (Liguria), and that's the Mediterranean sea, that is NOT an Ocean too
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495197</id>
	<title>Re:List of Countries</title>
	<author>CannonballHead</author>
	<datestamp>1246121400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it interesting that the top countries according to the HDI all seem to rely on countries like the US or the UK when war comes around.  Hm.  I suppose the argument is that the US and UK deserve or somehow cause the wars, but still.  Look at WWII (only used as an example because most people agree it was a Good Thing to get rid of Hitler's Germany).  While involved, I doubt Canada, Ireland, and Norway helped a ton.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it interesting that the top countries according to the HDI all seem to rely on countries like the US or the UK when war comes around .
Hm. I suppose the argument is that the US and UK deserve or somehow cause the wars , but still .
Look at WWII ( only used as an example because most people agree it was a Good Thing to get rid of Hitler 's Germany ) .
While involved , I doubt Canada , Ireland , and Norway helped a ton .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it interesting that the top countries according to the HDI all seem to rely on countries like the US or the UK when war comes around.
Hm.  I suppose the argument is that the US and UK deserve or somehow cause the wars, but still.
Look at WWII (only used as an example because most people agree it was a Good Thing to get rid of Hitler's Germany).
While involved, I doubt Canada, Ireland, and Norway helped a ton.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492101</id>
	<title>Down with Big Brutha</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246042620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hear you man, I do.</p><p>At least in the USA we can feel free to talk loudly about the personal freedoms our militaristic government robs us of day after day.</p><p>The one thing we don't have to fear is prosecution from some evil electronic snooping agency....</p><p>Hang on, there's a knock on my door.  I'll be right back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear you man , I do.At least in the USA we can feel free to talk loudly about the personal freedoms our militaristic government robs us of day after day.The one thing we do n't have to fear is prosecution from some evil electronic snooping agency....Hang on , there 's a knock on my door .
I 'll be right back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear you man, I do.At least in the USA we can feel free to talk loudly about the personal freedoms our militaristic government robs us of day after day.The one thing we don't have to fear is prosecution from some evil electronic snooping agency....Hang on, there's a knock on my door.
I'll be right back.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493617</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>Paolone</author>
	<datestamp>1246104780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I'm an Italian expat living in the Italian speaking part of Switzerland and, before coming here, I lived 4 years in Glasgow, Scotland, UK, and before in Milan, Italy (don't move there).

I have the following commentary:

1: swiss people are really hard to make friends with (from my experience).
2: the average population is quite xenophobic. As in anti-non-swiss.
3: the average population is quite bigoted as well, except they drink a lot.
4: everything is really expensive (in relative terms). Food and rent first. My telco expenses are three times as much as in Britain but for inferior service.
5: also, you have to pay medical insurance (it's the law, you can't do without it).

And, other bits:

6: the F-19 doesn't really exist as such in NATO nomenclature. Your friend is possibly a liar, or F-19 is a name for a local plane.
7: Italy doesn't have any oceanic shores as the Mediterranean Sea, despite being nice and warm, is not an ocean. The nearest oceanic shores are in France or Germany.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 'm an Italian expat living in the Italian speaking part of Switzerland and , before coming here , I lived 4 years in Glasgow , Scotland , UK , and before in Milan , Italy ( do n't move there ) .
I have the following commentary : 1 : swiss people are really hard to make friends with ( from my experience ) .
2 : the average population is quite xenophobic .
As in anti-non-swiss .
3 : the average population is quite bigoted as well , except they drink a lot .
4 : everything is really expensive ( in relative terms ) .
Food and rent first .
My telco expenses are three times as much as in Britain but for inferior service .
5 : also , you have to pay medical insurance ( it 's the law , you ca n't do without it ) .
And , other bits : 6 : the F-19 does n't really exist as such in NATO nomenclature .
Your friend is possibly a liar , or F-19 is a name for a local plane .
7 : Italy does n't have any oceanic shores as the Mediterranean Sea , despite being nice and warm , is not an ocean .
The nearest oceanic shores are in France or Germany .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I'm an Italian expat living in the Italian speaking part of Switzerland and, before coming here, I lived 4 years in Glasgow, Scotland, UK, and before in Milan, Italy (don't move there).
I have the following commentary:

1: swiss people are really hard to make friends with (from my experience).
2: the average population is quite xenophobic.
As in anti-non-swiss.
3: the average population is quite bigoted as well, except they drink a lot.
4: everything is really expensive (in relative terms).
Food and rent first.
My telco expenses are three times as much as in Britain but for inferior service.
5: also, you have to pay medical insurance (it's the law, you can't do without it).
And, other bits:

6: the F-19 doesn't really exist as such in NATO nomenclature.
Your friend is possibly a liar, or F-19 is a name for a local plane.
7: Italy doesn't have any oceanic shores as the Mediterranean Sea, despite being nice and warm, is not an ocean.
The nearest oceanic shores are in France or Germany.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494349</id>
	<title>Having your cake</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246114260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You want a lot of free public services, but a free country? Really? Do you know anyone that will give you something for nothing? Sorry, life isn't like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You want a lot of free public services , but a free country ?
Really ? Do you know anyone that will give you something for nothing ?
Sorry , life is n't like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You want a lot of free public services, but a free country?
Really? Do you know anyone that will give you something for nothing?
Sorry, life isn't like that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491375</id>
	<title>End of the Universe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246037160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hear the end of the universe is a pretty cool place to hang out.</p><p>Apparently some good restaurants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear the end of the universe is a pretty cool place to hang out.Apparently some good restaurants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear the end of the universe is a pretty cool place to hang out.Apparently some good restaurants.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493629</id>
	<title>Prospect of a Conservative Government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246104960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't quite see how that would make us any less-free, given they have stated in previous manifestos they desire to abolish the ID cards, and the cuts to services.  Not to point fingers but most of the erosion of our civil liberties has been the current nanny-state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't quite see how that would make us any less-free , given they have stated in previous manifestos they desire to abolish the ID cards , and the cuts to services .
Not to point fingers but most of the erosion of our civil liberties has been the current nanny-state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't quite see how that would make us any less-free, given they have stated in previous manifestos they desire to abolish the ID cards, and the cuts to services.
Not to point fingers but most of the erosion of our civil liberties has been the current nanny-state.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28502647</id>
	<title>Austria, without a doubt</title>
	<author>PensivePeter</author>
	<datestamp>1246193100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am a Brit, who had the opportunity to work in Vienna for two years with the Government's eIdenity program.
The city is one of the most eco-friendly and pleasant places to live in that I have ever encountered, and I have travelled widely;
You can manage daily life comfortably in English only, although I spoke modest german.
Most importantly, however, for your criteria, it has the most imaginative and progressive identity policy on the planet: where else can you get highly secure, Government-brokered and yet anonymous online digital identity. the "B&#195;&#188;rgerkarte" framework is truly revolutionary and leaves the user the choice about where and how to assert their identity online, whilst always protecting anonymity. It is also the only other country apart from Great Britain where thre is no compulsory identity card and where the Government, and Parliament, have consistently refused to introduce biometrics in national passports.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am a Brit , who had the opportunity to work in Vienna for two years with the Government 's eIdenity program .
The city is one of the most eco-friendly and pleasant places to live in that I have ever encountered , and I have travelled widely ; You can manage daily life comfortably in English only , although I spoke modest german .
Most importantly , however , for your criteria , it has the most imaginative and progressive identity policy on the planet : where else can you get highly secure , Government-brokered and yet anonymous online digital identity .
the " B     rgerkarte " framework is truly revolutionary and leaves the user the choice about where and how to assert their identity online , whilst always protecting anonymity .
It is also the only other country apart from Great Britain where thre is no compulsory identity card and where the Government , and Parliament , have consistently refused to introduce biometrics in national passports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am a Brit, who had the opportunity to work in Vienna for two years with the Government's eIdenity program.
The city is one of the most eco-friendly and pleasant places to live in that I have ever encountered, and I have travelled widely;
You can manage daily life comfortably in English only, although I spoke modest german.
Most importantly, however, for your criteria, it has the most imaginative and progressive identity policy on the planet: where else can you get highly secure, Government-brokered and yet anonymous online digital identity.
the "BÃ¼rgerkarte" framework is truly revolutionary and leaves the user the choice about where and how to assert their identity online, whilst always protecting anonymity.
It is also the only other country apart from Great Britain where thre is no compulsory identity card and where the Government, and Parliament, have consistently refused to introduce biometrics in national passports.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492127</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246042980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure the US can be a great place if you got money, a good job and what you came from is less free. But to move to the US from the UK to be in a more free country? Please!


I'm thinking about moving too but I'd rather move to Sweden or Norway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure the US can be a great place if you got money , a good job and what you came from is less free .
But to move to the US from the UK to be in a more free country ?
Please ! I 'm thinking about moving too but I 'd rather move to Sweden or Norway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure the US can be a great place if you got money, a good job and what you came from is less free.
But to move to the US from the UK to be in a more free country?
Please!


I'm thinking about moving too but I'd rather move to Sweden or Norway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493177</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246098420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>"Oh puhleeez. Seriously? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen?"</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>You mean the military that is still preparing to fight the Soviet Army in Central Europe and couldn't handle a small group of insurgents using home made IED's?</p><p>Here's a history lesson for you, much more recent than 1775:</p><blockquote><div><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMinn\_County\_War" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMinn\_County\_War</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>The Battle of Athens (sometimes called the McMinn County War) was a rebellion led by citizens in Athens and Etowah, Tennessee, United States, against the local government in August 1946. The citizens, including some World War II veterans, accused the local officials of political corruption and voter intimidation. The event is sometimes cited by firearms ownership advocates as an example of the value of the Second Amendment to bring fair elections.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Oh puhleeez .
Seriously ? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen ?
" You mean the military that is still preparing to fight the Soviet Army in Central Europe and could n't handle a small group of insurgents using home made IED 's ? Here 's a history lesson for you , much more recent than 1775 : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMinn \ _County \ _War [ wikipedia.org ] The Battle of Athens ( sometimes called the McMinn County War ) was a rebellion led by citizens in Athens and Etowah , Tennessee , United States , against the local government in August 1946 .
The citizens , including some World War II veterans , accused the local officials of political corruption and voter intimidation .
The event is sometimes cited by firearms ownership advocates as an example of the value of the Second Amendment to bring fair elections .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "Oh puhleeez.
Seriously? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen?
" You mean the military that is still preparing to fight the Soviet Army in Central Europe and couldn't handle a small group of insurgents using home made IED's?Here's a history lesson for you, much more recent than 1775: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMinn\_County\_War [wikipedia.org]The Battle of Athens (sometimes called the McMinn County War) was a rebellion led by citizens in Athens and Etowah, Tennessee, United States, against the local government in August 1946.
The citizens, including some World War II veterans, accused the local officials of political corruption and voter intimidation.
The event is sometimes cited by firearms ownership advocates as an example of the value of the Second Amendment to bring fair elections.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495913</id>
	<title>Spain of course.</title>
	<author>jotaeleemeese</author>
	<datestamp>1246127700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is funny that you don't look at your own countrymen for a clue.</p><p>Spain has become one of the more liberal countries in the world and you can pretty much pursue your happiness as you see fit without the meddling of the state at every point.</p><p>Having said this, the Conservatives just promised a couple of days ago to start to dismantle the surveillance state that the closet socialists in Labour have built during the last 12 years.</p><p>I heard their statement on this regard and I was genuinely surprised and pleased, so maybe you are being a bit to irratonal about this<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is funny that you do n't look at your own countrymen for a clue.Spain has become one of the more liberal countries in the world and you can pretty much pursue your happiness as you see fit without the meddling of the state at every point.Having said this , the Conservatives just promised a couple of days ago to start to dismantle the surveillance state that the closet socialists in Labour have built during the last 12 years.I heard their statement on this regard and I was genuinely surprised and pleased , so maybe you are being a bit to irratonal about this ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is funny that you don't look at your own countrymen for a clue.Spain has become one of the more liberal countries in the world and you can pretty much pursue your happiness as you see fit without the meddling of the state at every point.Having said this, the Conservatives just promised a couple of days ago to start to dismantle the surveillance state that the closet socialists in Labour have built during the last 12 years.I heard their statement on this regard and I was genuinely surprised and pleased, so maybe you are being a bit to irratonal about this ....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492545</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Korey Kaczor</author>
	<datestamp>1246134000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>As someone who is kind of militantly for less government and taxation (libertarian???), I agree with your post.  I think a lot of these people just think the US is worse than it is just because they haven't been elsewhere.
<br> <br>
#2 is right... but in a bad way.  Both parties are no different in the scheme of things and continue to run their scams alongside of their owners/lobbyists.
<br> <br>
I will add two more points:
<br> <br>
#6: The US is huge and has a lot of fertile, sparsely populated land.  If worse comes to worse, if you can't find freedom from government, you could theoretically get freedom away from it.  Theoretically, though.
<br> <br>
#7: Chicks love guys with accents, and that's no secret.  You can be the mysterious British gent and you can take any girl you want home who will think you're James Bond.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who is kind of militantly for less government and taxation ( libertarian ? ? ?
) , I agree with your post .
I think a lot of these people just think the US is worse than it is just because they have n't been elsewhere .
# 2 is right... but in a bad way .
Both parties are no different in the scheme of things and continue to run their scams alongside of their owners/lobbyists .
I will add two more points : # 6 : The US is huge and has a lot of fertile , sparsely populated land .
If worse comes to worse , if you ca n't find freedom from government , you could theoretically get freedom away from it .
Theoretically , though .
# 7 : Chicks love guys with accents , and that 's no secret .
You can be the mysterious British gent and you can take any girl you want home who will think you 're James Bond .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who is kind of militantly for less government and taxation (libertarian???
), I agree with your post.
I think a lot of these people just think the US is worse than it is just because they haven't been elsewhere.
#2 is right... but in a bad way.
Both parties are no different in the scheme of things and continue to run their scams alongside of their owners/lobbyists.
I will add two more points:
 
#6: The US is huge and has a lot of fertile, sparsely populated land.
If worse comes to worse, if you can't find freedom from government, you could theoretically get freedom away from it.
Theoretically, though.
#7: Chicks love guys with accents, and that's no secret.
You can be the mysterious British gent and you can take any girl you want home who will think you're James Bond.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494243</id>
	<title>None. Stay and fight</title>
	<author>swordgeek</author>
	<datestamp>1246113300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Governments around the world are tightening the reins on their citizens. The only reason they can get away with it is because the citizens are allowing it.</p><p>I would say stay and fight your government. Fight the oppression. Fight for fundamental rights and freedoms. If people stand up for themselves, the corrupt and power-hungry politicians will have to capitulate, and the pendulum will start to swing the other way again. For now, at least--governments will always want more control over the populace, and the only way to stop them is CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!!</p><p>But if you leave, then things \_will\_ get more restrictive, because you are letting them. Then in Germany or New Zealand or Canada or anywhere else, they will start to feel pressure from the USA, Australia, and UK to tighten things up. The US is putting pressure on Canada to tighten its "lax" laws on immigration, copyright protection, and several other issues. If you walk away from the UK (or anywhere else), then it becomes harder for the countries that are more free to stay that way.</p><p>Stay. Fight. WIN! And send a postcard from your newly open native country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Governments around the world are tightening the reins on their citizens .
The only reason they can get away with it is because the citizens are allowing it.I would say stay and fight your government .
Fight the oppression .
Fight for fundamental rights and freedoms .
If people stand up for themselves , the corrupt and power-hungry politicians will have to capitulate , and the pendulum will start to swing the other way again .
For now , at least--governments will always want more control over the populace , and the only way to stop them is CONSTANT VIGILANCE ! !
! But if you leave , then things \ _will \ _ get more restrictive , because you are letting them .
Then in Germany or New Zealand or Canada or anywhere else , they will start to feel pressure from the USA , Australia , and UK to tighten things up .
The US is putting pressure on Canada to tighten its " lax " laws on immigration , copyright protection , and several other issues .
If you walk away from the UK ( or anywhere else ) , then it becomes harder for the countries that are more free to stay that way.Stay .
Fight. WIN !
And send a postcard from your newly open native country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Governments around the world are tightening the reins on their citizens.
The only reason they can get away with it is because the citizens are allowing it.I would say stay and fight your government.
Fight the oppression.
Fight for fundamental rights and freedoms.
If people stand up for themselves, the corrupt and power-hungry politicians will have to capitulate, and the pendulum will start to swing the other way again.
For now, at least--governments will always want more control over the populace, and the only way to stop them is CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!
!But if you leave, then things \_will\_ get more restrictive, because you are letting them.
Then in Germany or New Zealand or Canada or anywhere else, they will start to feel pressure from the USA, Australia, and UK to tighten things up.
The US is putting pressure on Canada to tighten its "lax" laws on immigration, copyright protection, and several other issues.
If you walk away from the UK (or anywhere else), then it becomes harder for the countries that are more free to stay that way.Stay.
Fight. WIN!
And send a postcard from your newly open native country.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492415</id>
	<title>odd that you have to ask</title>
	<author>superwiz</author>
	<datestamp>1246046100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems like the country for geeks is Scotland.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems like the country for geeks is Scotland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems like the country for geeks is Scotland.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496535</id>
	<title>NEW HAMPSHIRE</title>
	<author>kokojie</author>
	<datestamp>1246132980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>NEW HAMPSHIRE, it is the most free place on earth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>NEW HAMPSHIRE , it is the most free place on earth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NEW HAMPSHIRE, it is the most free place on earth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28505045</id>
	<title>Passport Id</title>
	<author>AndyCanfield</author>
	<datestamp>1246212900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mentioned "continuing efforts to implement mandatory ID cards". Remember that if you leave your country of citizenship, you must carry a passport. For example, if you move from the UK to the US, American citzens have no mandatory ID but you do - your British passport. Generally you must show it to any policeman who asks to see it for any reason, and he need not tell you his reason. I've lived with my (US) passport for nineteen years; mandatory ID has never bothered me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mentioned " continuing efforts to implement mandatory ID cards " .
Remember that if you leave your country of citizenship , you must carry a passport .
For example , if you move from the UK to the US , American citzens have no mandatory ID but you do - your British passport .
Generally you must show it to any policeman who asks to see it for any reason , and he need not tell you his reason .
I 've lived with my ( US ) passport for nineteen years ; mandatory ID has never bothered me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mentioned "continuing efforts to implement mandatory ID cards".
Remember that if you leave your country of citizenship, you must carry a passport.
For example, if you move from the UK to the US, American citzens have no mandatory ID but you do - your British passport.
Generally you must show it to any policeman who asks to see it for any reason, and he need not tell you his reason.
I've lived with my (US) passport for nineteen years; mandatory ID has never bothered me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497529</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246096020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>America: Land of the Free, Home of the Brave.</p><p>Except the free have the Homelands Security Act where if you wear a turban, and mention the words explosive and government in the same sentence you may end up strip-searched without a warrant. Where waterboarding is NOT a torture. Where taking the 5th Amendment brings an automatic presumption of guilt.</p><p>Where the brave hide behind unmanned drones to bomb the crap out of foreign people in foreign lands without the risk of getting hurt themselves. Or the brave set their military might against any country that may have a slight antiAmerican sentiment, and the government allow covert support of overseas dictatorships that in the past have included Afghanistan, Iraq.</p><p>Where after keeping foreigners illegally held in Guantanamo Bay, they make other countries take those ex-prisnoers as refugees because they won't.</p><p>Yup, com to the USA!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>America : Land of the Free , Home of the Brave.Except the free have the Homelands Security Act where if you wear a turban , and mention the words explosive and government in the same sentence you may end up strip-searched without a warrant .
Where waterboarding is NOT a torture .
Where taking the 5th Amendment brings an automatic presumption of guilt.Where the brave hide behind unmanned drones to bomb the crap out of foreign people in foreign lands without the risk of getting hurt themselves .
Or the brave set their military might against any country that may have a slight antiAmerican sentiment , and the government allow covert support of overseas dictatorships that in the past have included Afghanistan , Iraq.Where after keeping foreigners illegally held in Guantanamo Bay , they make other countries take those ex-prisnoers as refugees because they wo n't.Yup , com to the USA !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America: Land of the Free, Home of the Brave.Except the free have the Homelands Security Act where if you wear a turban, and mention the words explosive and government in the same sentence you may end up strip-searched without a warrant.
Where waterboarding is NOT a torture.
Where taking the 5th Amendment brings an automatic presumption of guilt.Where the brave hide behind unmanned drones to bomb the crap out of foreign people in foreign lands without the risk of getting hurt themselves.
Or the brave set their military might against any country that may have a slight antiAmerican sentiment, and the government allow covert support of overseas dictatorships that in the past have included Afghanistan, Iraq.Where after keeping foreigners illegally held in Guantanamo Bay, they make other countries take those ex-prisnoers as refugees because they won't.Yup, com to the USA!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491981</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492979</id>
	<title>parent not flamebait.</title>
	<author>reiisi</author>
	<datestamp>1246095840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Troll, maybe. But not flamebait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Troll , maybe .
But not flamebait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Troll, maybe.
But not flamebait.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491383</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491573</id>
	<title>The Great White North</title>
	<author>Lynchenstein</author>
	<datestamp>1246038300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Canada, eh!
We still love the Queen more-or-less and it rains a lot on the West Coast. You'll feel right at home.

Plus, you won't have to change the way you spell; colour, neighbourhood, etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Canada , eh !
We still love the Queen more-or-less and it rains a lot on the West Coast .
You 'll feel right at home .
Plus , you wo n't have to change the way you spell ; colour , neighbourhood , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Canada, eh!
We still love the Queen more-or-less and it rains a lot on the West Coast.
You'll feel right at home.
Plus, you won't have to change the way you spell; colour, neighbourhood, etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493827</id>
	<title>Culture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246108260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One thing to keep in mind is the culture you are used to and thrive on. I used to live in new jersey, and hated the place. I thought it was boring, and the people who lived there cultureless, and tasteless.</p><p>Recently I moved to guam and relized how good I had it in New Jersey.</p><p>Little things like small budget movies in big cinemas, theaters, underground music scenes for every type of music, which, cuased good music to be more availible because people were expposed to it, and the availibility of a varity of the printed word.</p><p>Also the varity of people that lived there and cultural backrounds ment that there was a many tastse and points of veiw floating around. Yes you can find all or most of this on the internet. but you would be supprised how much you realy on the stores and people around you(even complete strangers), to keep you in touch with all the intualectual comforts you have become acustomed to.</p><p>You may not think that this may affect you for one reason or another but what ever you do in your spare time, no matter how trivial it seems can be greatly affected by the culture, and availabilty of culture in the area where you live.</p><p>This is more then just culture shock, becuse its not getting used to how life is lived there. This affects the things you enjoy doing with your free time.</p><p>Its something to consider, the things you miss will seem now to be unimportant now, but you know I really just want a *:#? Lager that doesn't taste like skunk piss from the ride over here ! Stuff like that just starts eating at you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing to keep in mind is the culture you are used to and thrive on .
I used to live in new jersey , and hated the place .
I thought it was boring , and the people who lived there cultureless , and tasteless.Recently I moved to guam and relized how good I had it in New Jersey.Little things like small budget movies in big cinemas , theaters , underground music scenes for every type of music , which , cuased good music to be more availible because people were expposed to it , and the availibility of a varity of the printed word.Also the varity of people that lived there and cultural backrounds ment that there was a many tastse and points of veiw floating around .
Yes you can find all or most of this on the internet .
but you would be supprised how much you realy on the stores and people around you ( even complete strangers ) , to keep you in touch with all the intualectual comforts you have become acustomed to.You may not think that this may affect you for one reason or another but what ever you do in your spare time , no matter how trivial it seems can be greatly affected by the culture , and availabilty of culture in the area where you live.This is more then just culture shock , becuse its not getting used to how life is lived there .
This affects the things you enjoy doing with your free time.Its something to consider , the things you miss will seem now to be unimportant now , but you know I really just want a * : # ?
Lager that does n't taste like skunk piss from the ride over here !
Stuff like that just starts eating at you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing to keep in mind is the culture you are used to and thrive on.
I used to live in new jersey, and hated the place.
I thought it was boring, and the people who lived there cultureless, and tasteless.Recently I moved to guam and relized how good I had it in New Jersey.Little things like small budget movies in big cinemas, theaters, underground music scenes for every type of music, which, cuased good music to be more availible because people were expposed to it, and the availibility of a varity of the printed word.Also the varity of people that lived there and cultural backrounds ment that there was a many tastse and points of veiw floating around.
Yes you can find all or most of this on the internet.
but you would be supprised how much you realy on the stores and people around you(even complete strangers), to keep you in touch with all the intualectual comforts you have become acustomed to.You may not think that this may affect you for one reason or another but what ever you do in your spare time, no matter how trivial it seems can be greatly affected by the culture, and availabilty of culture in the area where you live.This is more then just culture shock, becuse its not getting used to how life is lived there.
This affects the things you enjoy doing with your free time.Its something to consider, the things you miss will seem now to be unimportant now, but you know I really just want a *:#?
Lager that doesn't taste like skunk piss from the ride over here !
Stuff like that just starts eating at you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494277</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246113540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) The states demanded and got the ability to have their own militias, for instance to fight against a federal aggressor (or another state). These are currently called the National Guard, but some states also organize smaller local militias. In any event, they have automatic weapons galore, planes, command &amp; control, etc.</p><p>2) If you know anything about the military, you would know that most soldiers are fierce libertarians that would never raise arms against another American citizen (unless you're from New York or LA)</p><p>One shouldn't be worried about the Army, Navy, or Airforce. These would never be used to oppress citizens. The FBI, ATF, DHS... these are currently being used to oppress citizens.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) The states demanded and got the ability to have their own militias , for instance to fight against a federal aggressor ( or another state ) .
These are currently called the National Guard , but some states also organize smaller local militias .
In any event , they have automatic weapons galore , planes , command &amp; control , etc.2 ) If you know anything about the military , you would know that most soldiers are fierce libertarians that would never raise arms against another American citizen ( unless you 're from New York or LA ) One should n't be worried about the Army , Navy , or Airforce .
These would never be used to oppress citizens .
The FBI , ATF , DHS... these are currently being used to oppress citizens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) The states demanded and got the ability to have their own militias, for instance to fight against a federal aggressor (or another state).
These are currently called the National Guard, but some states also organize smaller local militias.
In any event, they have automatic weapons galore, planes, command &amp; control, etc.2) If you know anything about the military, you would know that most soldiers are fierce libertarians that would never raise arms against another American citizen (unless you're from New York or LA)One shouldn't be worried about the Army, Navy, or Airforce.
These would never be used to oppress citizens.
The FBI, ATF, DHS... these are currently being used to oppress citizens.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28514083</id>
	<title>Glastonbury Festival...</title>
	<author>tyroneking</author>
	<datestamp>1246290540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... just spent a few days there and it is literally another world - reminds you what the UK could have been like if Churchill had become a follower of Ghandi...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... also, I'm still hungover.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... just spent a few days there and it is literally another world - reminds you what the UK could have been like if Churchill had become a follower of Ghandi... ... also , I 'm still hungover .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... just spent a few days there and it is literally another world - reminds you what the UK could have been like if Churchill had become a follower of Ghandi... ... also, I'm still hungover.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491781</id>
	<title>Are  you kidding me . . .</title>
	<author>MarkvW</author>
	<datestamp>1246039920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This must be a joke post.  It can't be serious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This must be a joke post .
It ca n't be serious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This must be a joke post.
It can't be serious.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498041</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1246099440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the US</p></div><p>It hasn't been true for a while. It's far easier to immigrate to Canada, Australia, New Zealand or Ireland than it is in U.S. (speaking as the one quite familiar with this topic).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the USIt has n't been true for a while .
It 's far easier to immigrate to Canada , Australia , New Zealand or Ireland than it is in U.S. ( speaking as the one quite familiar with this topic ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the USIt hasn't been true for a while.
It's far easier to immigrate to Canada, Australia, New Zealand or Ireland than it is in U.S. (speaking as the one quite familiar with this topic).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491981</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492143</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246043100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oi, quiet you.  Don't risk our low population density and relative lack of morons (well except for the odd socialist nutter who somehow gets into parliament).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oi , quiet you .
Do n't risk our low population density and relative lack of morons ( well except for the odd socialist nutter who somehow gets into parliament ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oi, quiet you.
Don't risk our low population density and relative lack of morons (well except for the odd socialist nutter who somehow gets into parliament).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491471</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491453</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>RsG</author>
	<datestamp>1246037580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I understand where you're coming from, I strongly disagree.  The existence of tyranny abroad does not excuse the erosion of liberty at home.  Hell, forget Iran, I could think of a dozen far worse places to live without thinking hard, and yet I still see the point of the person who posted the article.</p><p>Simply put, the attitude you're expressing, namely "it's much worse over there, so why are you complaining?" is a common one, and very problematic.  How is a person in a country that is relatively free, but headed in the wrong direction, supposed to agitate for change in that worldview?  There is, after all, always someplace worse.</p><p>We, in the rich, safe, peaceful developed world, should aspire to do much better than Iran.  We ought to make ourselves a bastion for civil liberties, human rights and responsible self-governance.  Iran has a bad situation made worse by factors beyond the control of the average citizen; we have no such excuse.</p><p>That being said, my suggestion to the person who posted this article is the improve the local situation instead of fleeing from it.  If you are among those who see the current trend as a step in the wrong direction, then fight it.  If enough people did that, the situation would change.  It's getting enough people to realize this that poses a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I understand where you 're coming from , I strongly disagree .
The existence of tyranny abroad does not excuse the erosion of liberty at home .
Hell , forget Iran , I could think of a dozen far worse places to live without thinking hard , and yet I still see the point of the person who posted the article.Simply put , the attitude you 're expressing , namely " it 's much worse over there , so why are you complaining ?
" is a common one , and very problematic .
How is a person in a country that is relatively free , but headed in the wrong direction , supposed to agitate for change in that worldview ?
There is , after all , always someplace worse.We , in the rich , safe , peaceful developed world , should aspire to do much better than Iran .
We ought to make ourselves a bastion for civil liberties , human rights and responsible self-governance .
Iran has a bad situation made worse by factors beyond the control of the average citizen ; we have no such excuse.That being said , my suggestion to the person who posted this article is the improve the local situation instead of fleeing from it .
If you are among those who see the current trend as a step in the wrong direction , then fight it .
If enough people did that , the situation would change .
It 's getting enough people to realize this that poses a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I understand where you're coming from, I strongly disagree.
The existence of tyranny abroad does not excuse the erosion of liberty at home.
Hell, forget Iran, I could think of a dozen far worse places to live without thinking hard, and yet I still see the point of the person who posted the article.Simply put, the attitude you're expressing, namely "it's much worse over there, so why are you complaining?
" is a common one, and very problematic.
How is a person in a country that is relatively free, but headed in the wrong direction, supposed to agitate for change in that worldview?
There is, after all, always someplace worse.We, in the rich, safe, peaceful developed world, should aspire to do much better than Iran.
We ought to make ourselves a bastion for civil liberties, human rights and responsible self-governance.
Iran has a bad situation made worse by factors beyond the control of the average citizen; we have no such excuse.That being said, my suggestion to the person who posted this article is the improve the local situation instead of fleeing from it.
If you are among those who see the current trend as a step in the wrong direction, then fight it.
If enough people did that, the situation would change.
It's getting enough people to realize this that poses a problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492829</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of choices in Europe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246094160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Switzerland is probably the most free country in Europe.</p><p>Coming from Finland, let me say a few words about Finland and Sweden. They are very socialist states with high taxes, slow ("free") health care etc. Sweden has higher total tax burden than Finland, but Finnish income tax especially punishes those educated people who earn around 30-50k &#226; / year. (about what an IT professional would earn). Both countries are quite safe and have lots of clean and unspoiled nature though, if you are ready to switch your purchasing power for that.</p><p>I'd like to live 10-20 years in some more economically free country and then come back when I have money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Switzerland is probably the most free country in Europe.Coming from Finland , let me say a few words about Finland and Sweden .
They are very socialist states with high taxes , slow ( " free " ) health care etc .
Sweden has higher total tax burden than Finland , but Finnish income tax especially punishes those educated people who earn around 30-50k   / year .
( about what an IT professional would earn ) .
Both countries are quite safe and have lots of clean and unspoiled nature though , if you are ready to switch your purchasing power for that.I 'd like to live 10-20 years in some more economically free country and then come back when I have money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Switzerland is probably the most free country in Europe.Coming from Finland, let me say a few words about Finland and Sweden.
They are very socialist states with high taxes, slow ("free") health care etc.
Sweden has higher total tax burden than Finland, but Finnish income tax especially punishes those educated people who earn around 30-50k â / year.
(about what an IT professional would earn).
Both countries are quite safe and have lots of clean and unspoiled nature though, if you are ready to switch your purchasing power for that.I'd like to live 10-20 years in some more economically free country and then come back when I have money.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492725</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>anticharisma</author>
	<datestamp>1246093260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Thing that scared me bout UK is the idea of A forced DNA database and B forced id card. I think the USA is undergoing renewal in the post bush era and may reinvent itself as a good place to be. I feel the US is poised on the verge of a shift in zeitgeist and acknowledging the innapropriateness of the neocon evangelical big brother way.

Australia got fug'd up under Howard in the same way as USA under bush. Remember though last century was focused on things like aeroplanes and oil, where as this century will be information based. How to prevent your information being abused will become paramount this century.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thing that scared me bout UK is the idea of A forced DNA database and B forced id card .
I think the USA is undergoing renewal in the post bush era and may reinvent itself as a good place to be .
I feel the US is poised on the verge of a shift in zeitgeist and acknowledging the innapropriateness of the neocon evangelical big brother way .
Australia got fug 'd up under Howard in the same way as USA under bush .
Remember though last century was focused on things like aeroplanes and oil , where as this century will be information based .
How to prevent your information being abused will become paramount this century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thing that scared me bout UK is the idea of A forced DNA database and B forced id card.
I think the USA is undergoing renewal in the post bush era and may reinvent itself as a good place to be.
I feel the US is poised on the verge of a shift in zeitgeist and acknowledging the innapropriateness of the neocon evangelical big brother way.
Australia got fug'd up under Howard in the same way as USA under bush.
Remember though last century was focused on things like aeroplanes and oil, where as this century will be information based.
How to prevent your information being abused will become paramount this century.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493579</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1246104180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Pick your climate, scenery, culture, government, etc., and you'll find it somewhere in the US.</p></div><p>So, where do I go to find the monarchy?</p></div>
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<tokenext>Pick your climate , scenery , culture , government , etc. , and you 'll find it somewhere in the US.So , where do I go to find the monarchy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pick your climate, scenery, culture, government, etc., and you'll find it somewhere in the US.So, where do I go to find the monarchy?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491831</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>MindlessAutomata</author>
	<datestamp>1246040280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>We libertarians tend to think we are the freest country on Earth.  We just don't have any illusions about it being 'free enough'.</p><p>You however seem to have bought into our great myths.  I'll break it down:</p><p>#1:  Our rights to freedom of expression are often curtailed, sometimes with the blessing of the Supreme Court, depending on what mood it's in.  Obscenity is still regularly prosecuted.  Girls "sexting" (what a dumb term!) are charged with producing CHILD PORNOGRAPHY by taking nude pictures of themselves on cell phones!  Make no mistake, we are better than many European countries because we won't necessarily slam you in jail for expressing the wrong political opinion (though it can happen) like with holocaust deniers or such, but don't pretend that theory is practice here.  Also, the second amendment is constantly being reinterpreted by those that dislike it, and heavier and heavier controls are continually being placed on it.  I expect to see the 2nd amendment repealed in my lifetime, athough not without some redneck-caused violence (and "bless" some of those rednecks!).</p><p>#2:  We say we do, anyways.  Well, we do moreso than many countries, there's a reason why those libertarians (whom you show contempt for, it seems) are far more numerous in the USA than anywhere else in the world.    But you have a very rose-colored view of our two political parties.  They are like two cartels guarding the political gates and frequently compromising and collaborating with how to leech more money off of American workers and have no problem with taking away rights when it suits political ideology or is expedient for the government to do so.  Hell, I think the only serious politicians DO talk about how free we should be, and they are saying FREER.  It seems you're content with compromise after compromise in our political proceses, compromising our rights...!</p><p>#3:  The corollary is, however, that we are in the Obama era now, and that's not much better.  Take off those rose-colored Democrat glasses again.  You're boss is not much better than old boss.  "Sacrificing liberty for security?"  Hello?  FISA?  Obama's great flip flop?  That's not the only one.</p><p>#4: Are you trying to <i>encourage</i> him...?  In any case, you couldn't think of any more than 4 reasons so you threw one in the middle to make it seem like you had the nice round number of 5...</p><p>#5: That's all symbolic nowadays, not that I support the ridiculous monarchy in the first place but you need some perspective.  As for king's slave to king's peer?  Hah!  Hahahahaha!  I'd like to see what kind of weight YOU hold in regards to Congress?  You're nothing at all!  The "king" today is Obama, and it's his signature on bills that matter, NOT YOURS.  You have actually very little say at all.   King's peer... that's a good one.  I'd like to see me get the same type of say and treatment as even a Congressman...!</p><p>You've totally bought into the American nationalist pride--the left's version.  Obama is president!  Joy!  Joy!  Change!  Hope!  Sorry, Charlie, but Obama is just another politician.  Everyone wants, needs, a hero, but politicians--people that use your rights as bargaining chips for their own self-interest or ideologies--should never be the object of one's admiration, at least not one that isn't dismantling the whole evil machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We libertarians tend to think we are the freest country on Earth .
We just do n't have any illusions about it being 'free enough'.You however seem to have bought into our great myths .
I 'll break it down : # 1 : Our rights to freedom of expression are often curtailed , sometimes with the blessing of the Supreme Court , depending on what mood it 's in .
Obscenity is still regularly prosecuted .
Girls " sexting " ( what a dumb term !
) are charged with producing CHILD PORNOGRAPHY by taking nude pictures of themselves on cell phones !
Make no mistake , we are better than many European countries because we wo n't necessarily slam you in jail for expressing the wrong political opinion ( though it can happen ) like with holocaust deniers or such , but do n't pretend that theory is practice here .
Also , the second amendment is constantly being reinterpreted by those that dislike it , and heavier and heavier controls are continually being placed on it .
I expect to see the 2nd amendment repealed in my lifetime , athough not without some redneck-caused violence ( and " bless " some of those rednecks !
) . # 2 : We say we do , anyways .
Well , we do moreso than many countries , there 's a reason why those libertarians ( whom you show contempt for , it seems ) are far more numerous in the USA than anywhere else in the world .
But you have a very rose-colored view of our two political parties .
They are like two cartels guarding the political gates and frequently compromising and collaborating with how to leech more money off of American workers and have no problem with taking away rights when it suits political ideology or is expedient for the government to do so .
Hell , I think the only serious politicians DO talk about how free we should be , and they are saying FREER .
It seems you 're content with compromise after compromise in our political proceses , compromising our rights... ! # 3 : The corollary is , however , that we are in the Obama era now , and that 's not much better .
Take off those rose-colored Democrat glasses again .
You 're boss is not much better than old boss .
" Sacrificing liberty for security ?
" Hello ?
FISA ? Obama 's great flip flop ?
That 's not the only one. # 4 : Are you trying to encourage him... ?
In any case , you could n't think of any more than 4 reasons so you threw one in the middle to make it seem like you had the nice round number of 5... # 5 : That 's all symbolic nowadays , not that I support the ridiculous monarchy in the first place but you need some perspective .
As for king 's slave to king 's peer ?
Hah ! Hahahahaha !
I 'd like to see what kind of weight YOU hold in regards to Congress ?
You 're nothing at all !
The " king " today is Obama , and it 's his signature on bills that matter , NOT YOURS .
You have actually very little say at all .
King 's peer... that 's a good one .
I 'd like to see me get the same type of say and treatment as even a Congressman... ! You 've totally bought into the American nationalist pride--the left 's version .
Obama is president !
Joy ! Joy !
Change ! Hope !
Sorry , Charlie , but Obama is just another politician .
Everyone wants , needs , a hero , but politicians--people that use your rights as bargaining chips for their own self-interest or ideologies--should never be the object of one 's admiration , at least not one that is n't dismantling the whole evil machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We libertarians tend to think we are the freest country on Earth.
We just don't have any illusions about it being 'free enough'.You however seem to have bought into our great myths.
I'll break it down:#1:  Our rights to freedom of expression are often curtailed, sometimes with the blessing of the Supreme Court, depending on what mood it's in.
Obscenity is still regularly prosecuted.
Girls "sexting" (what a dumb term!
) are charged with producing CHILD PORNOGRAPHY by taking nude pictures of themselves on cell phones!
Make no mistake, we are better than many European countries because we won't necessarily slam you in jail for expressing the wrong political opinion (though it can happen) like with holocaust deniers or such, but don't pretend that theory is practice here.
Also, the second amendment is constantly being reinterpreted by those that dislike it, and heavier and heavier controls are continually being placed on it.
I expect to see the 2nd amendment repealed in my lifetime, athough not without some redneck-caused violence (and "bless" some of those rednecks!
).#2:  We say we do, anyways.
Well, we do moreso than many countries, there's a reason why those libertarians (whom you show contempt for, it seems) are far more numerous in the USA than anywhere else in the world.
But you have a very rose-colored view of our two political parties.
They are like two cartels guarding the political gates and frequently compromising and collaborating with how to leech more money off of American workers and have no problem with taking away rights when it suits political ideology or is expedient for the government to do so.
Hell, I think the only serious politicians DO talk about how free we should be, and they are saying FREER.
It seems you're content with compromise after compromise in our political proceses, compromising our rights...!#3:  The corollary is, however, that we are in the Obama era now, and that's not much better.
Take off those rose-colored Democrat glasses again.
You're boss is not much better than old boss.
"Sacrificing liberty for security?
"  Hello?
FISA?  Obama's great flip flop?
That's not the only one.#4: Are you trying to encourage him...?
In any case, you couldn't think of any more than 4 reasons so you threw one in the middle to make it seem like you had the nice round number of 5...#5: That's all symbolic nowadays, not that I support the ridiculous monarchy in the first place but you need some perspective.
As for king's slave to king's peer?
Hah!  Hahahahaha!
I'd like to see what kind of weight YOU hold in regards to Congress?
You're nothing at all!
The "king" today is Obama, and it's his signature on bills that matter, NOT YOURS.
You have actually very little say at all.
King's peer... that's a good one.
I'd like to see me get the same type of say and treatment as even a Congressman...!You've totally bought into the American nationalist pride--the left's version.
Obama is president!
Joy!  Joy!
Change!  Hope!
Sorry, Charlie, but Obama is just another politician.
Everyone wants, needs, a hero, but politicians--people that use your rights as bargaining chips for their own self-interest or ideologies--should never be the object of one's admiration, at least not one that isn't dismantling the whole evil machine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495717</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>tirnacopu</author>
	<datestamp>1246125780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>So you're a speed freak junkie anarchist looking for a country? Try Mexic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you 're a speed freak junkie anarchist looking for a country ?
Try Mexic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you're a speed freak junkie anarchist looking for a country?
Try Mexic.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493561</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of choices in Europe</title>
	<author>udippel</author>
	<datestamp>1246103880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>I'd rather know more about Switzerland.<br>The Netherlands, I'm a citizen, and it is okay; but used to be much better, and is currently driven downhill rapidly.<br>Scandinavia; that's also a remote choice; though neither does the climate really invite; and the liberties enjoyed are narrowing down as well; in the end probably there won't be enough to make up for long, cold winters and high taxes.<br>Denmark. How is Denmark, anyone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather know more about Switzerland.The Netherlands , I 'm a citizen , and it is okay ; but used to be much better , and is currently driven downhill rapidly.Scandinavia ; that 's also a remote choice ; though neither does the climate really invite ; and the liberties enjoyed are narrowing down as well ; in the end probably there wo n't be enough to make up for long , cold winters and high taxes.Denmark .
How is Denmark , anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather know more about Switzerland.The Netherlands, I'm a citizen, and it is okay; but used to be much better, and is currently driven downhill rapidly.Scandinavia; that's also a remote choice; though neither does the climate really invite; and the liberties enjoyed are narrowing down as well; in the end probably there won't be enough to make up for long, cold winters and high taxes.Denmark.
How is Denmark, anyone?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491575</id>
	<title>Estonia</title>
	<author>StealthyRoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246038300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I've been looking into this myself lately (US resident, hate the fact that the free market is quickly becoming an extinct beast here), and fwiw, Estonia and Hong Kong are at the top of my list.  Estonia b/c they have a flat tax (20\%), and are pretty libertarian-leaning currently (although their PM's party just narrowly avoided defeat in this last election, so keep an eye out).  Hong Kong is a little crowded, and there's the whole China thing to deal with, but for the most part, the Reds respect the "two systems, one country" policy that's kept Hong Kong prosperous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been looking into this myself lately ( US resident , hate the fact that the free market is quickly becoming an extinct beast here ) , and fwiw , Estonia and Hong Kong are at the top of my list .
Estonia b/c they have a flat tax ( 20 \ % ) , and are pretty libertarian-leaning currently ( although their PM 's party just narrowly avoided defeat in this last election , so keep an eye out ) .
Hong Kong is a little crowded , and there 's the whole China thing to deal with , but for the most part , the Reds respect the " two systems , one country " policy that 's kept Hong Kong prosperous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been looking into this myself lately (US resident, hate the fact that the free market is quickly becoming an extinct beast here), and fwiw, Estonia and Hong Kong are at the top of my list.
Estonia b/c they have a flat tax (20\%), and are pretty libertarian-leaning currently (although their PM's party just narrowly avoided defeat in this last election, so keep an eye out).
Hong Kong is a little crowded, and there's the whole China thing to deal with, but for the most part, the Reds respect the "two systems, one country" policy that's kept Hong Kong prosperous.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28557825</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>thisnamestoolong</author>
	<datestamp>1246549920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>It is all well and good to say that you want to do something -- but what really can be done? I don't know too much about the government in the UK so I will cover the situation here in the US -- <br> <br>

1. Ballot Box -- There are realistically only two parties that can be elected to office in America -- both of which are 100\% in the pocket of the major corporations.<br>
2. Soap Box -- Nobody is listening. Really. The information is out there for people to find, but they don't want to. Such a large majority of Americans think that 'being informed' is watching the O'Reilly Factor that it really is futile. I have had people almost come to physical violence when trying to tell them what a raw deal they are getting, so committed are Americans to the status quo.<br>
3. Jury Box -- Not sure where you are going with this one, but the American court system is run by the Golden Rule -- those who have the gold make the rules. Just look at how many more drug dealers than CEOs are in prison. Even if you do voice your just opinion as a member of a jury, there are still 11 other people there with you. See point #2.<br>
4. Ammo Box -- Are you serious? You really think that that is a feasible option? I could explain to you why that is asinine, but I don't want to waste the energy. Just take a look at the U.S. military expenditures. If you are hoping to get the military on your side, again, reference point #2.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is all well and good to say that you want to do something -- but what really can be done ?
I do n't know too much about the government in the UK so I will cover the situation here in the US -- 1 .
Ballot Box -- There are realistically only two parties that can be elected to office in America -- both of which are 100 \ % in the pocket of the major corporations .
2. Soap Box -- Nobody is listening .
Really. The information is out there for people to find , but they do n't want to .
Such a large majority of Americans think that 'being informed ' is watching the O'Reilly Factor that it really is futile .
I have had people almost come to physical violence when trying to tell them what a raw deal they are getting , so committed are Americans to the status quo .
3. Jury Box -- Not sure where you are going with this one , but the American court system is run by the Golden Rule -- those who have the gold make the rules .
Just look at how many more drug dealers than CEOs are in prison .
Even if you do voice your just opinion as a member of a jury , there are still 11 other people there with you .
See point # 2 .
4. Ammo Box -- Are you serious ?
You really think that that is a feasible option ?
I could explain to you why that is asinine , but I do n't want to waste the energy .
Just take a look at the U.S. military expenditures .
If you are hoping to get the military on your side , again , reference point # 2 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is all well and good to say that you want to do something -- but what really can be done?
I don't know too much about the government in the UK so I will cover the situation here in the US --  

1.
Ballot Box -- There are realistically only two parties that can be elected to office in America -- both of which are 100\% in the pocket of the major corporations.
2. Soap Box -- Nobody is listening.
Really. The information is out there for people to find, but they don't want to.
Such a large majority of Americans think that 'being informed' is watching the O'Reilly Factor that it really is futile.
I have had people almost come to physical violence when trying to tell them what a raw deal they are getting, so committed are Americans to the status quo.
3. Jury Box -- Not sure where you are going with this one, but the American court system is run by the Golden Rule -- those who have the gold make the rules.
Just look at how many more drug dealers than CEOs are in prison.
Even if you do voice your just opinion as a member of a jury, there are still 11 other people there with you.
See point #2.
4. Ammo Box -- Are you serious?
You really think that that is a feasible option?
I could explain to you why that is asinine, but I don't want to waste the energy.
Just take a look at the U.S. military expenditures.
If you are hoping to get the military on your side, again, reference point #2.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491773</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>memoryhole</author>
	<datestamp>1246039800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We do, in fact, have the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) specifically so we can unseat any tyrant who tries to take our rights away.</p></div><p>Oh puhleeez. Seriously? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen? You know, the one that has more resources than the next five biggest militaries COMBINED? I don't think you've thought about this very seriously. Yes, I know that's the same thing "they" said about facing down the British back in 1775, but we're living in a different world. How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters? Cruise missiles? Not to mention: in what terrain has the US military been *training* for the last two hundred years? To paraphrase an awful movie, "When the day comes that we have to go to war against Utah, we're [the US military] really gonna kick ass".</p><p>The 2nd Amendment right puts guns in the hands of civilians. Thick-headed civilians who can't think very far ahead work like gang members who get their first chrome-plated<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.45: they immediately feel invincible, and that leads to the assumption that the guns are for the purpose of standing watch over the government. Don't kid yourself that any politician in the history of the US has ever thought (or will ever think) to themselves "well, I WANT to do X, but since the citizens have so many guns, maybe that wouldn't be a good idea."</p><p>If you want to know what the 2nd Amendment is really for, look no further than St. George Tucker, a lawyer, Revolutionary War militia officer, legal scholar, and a U.S. District Court judge (appointed in 1813), who wrote about the amendment: <i>This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty... The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible.</i> It is a right to defend yourself from the government, not an establishment of the power to overthrow the government. It's an important distinction.</p></div>
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<tokenext>We do , in fact , have the 2nd amendment ( right to bear arms ) specifically so we can unseat any tyrant who tries to take our rights away.Oh puhleeez .
Seriously ? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen ?
You know , the one that has more resources than the next five biggest militaries COMBINED ?
I do n't think you 've thought about this very seriously .
Yes , I know that 's the same thing " they " said about facing down the British back in 1775 , but we 're living in a different world .
How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters ?
Cruise missiles ?
Not to mention : in what terrain has the US military been * training * for the last two hundred years ?
To paraphrase an awful movie , " When the day comes that we have to go to war against Utah , we 're [ the US military ] really gon na kick ass " .The 2nd Amendment right puts guns in the hands of civilians .
Thick-headed civilians who ca n't think very far ahead work like gang members who get their first chrome-plated .45 : they immediately feel invincible , and that leads to the assumption that the guns are for the purpose of standing watch over the government .
Do n't kid yourself that any politician in the history of the US has ever thought ( or will ever think ) to themselves " well , I WANT to do X , but since the citizens have so many guns , maybe that would n't be a good idea .
" If you want to know what the 2nd Amendment is really for , look no further than St. George Tucker , a lawyer , Revolutionary War militia officer , legal scholar , and a U.S. District Court judge ( appointed in 1813 ) , who wrote about the amendment : This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty... The right of self-defense is the first law of nature ; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible .
It is a right to defend yourself from the government , not an establishment of the power to overthrow the government .
It 's an important distinction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We do, in fact, have the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) specifically so we can unseat any tyrant who tries to take our rights away.Oh puhleeez.
Seriously? You think the weapons that civilians have on hand can take on the best-funded military the world has ever seen?
You know, the one that has more resources than the next five biggest militaries COMBINED?
I don't think you've thought about this very seriously.
Yes, I know that's the same thing "they" said about facing down the British back in 1775, but we're living in a different world.
How many civilians have access to Abrams tanks and Apache helicopters?
Cruise missiles?
Not to mention: in what terrain has the US military been *training* for the last two hundred years?
To paraphrase an awful movie, "When the day comes that we have to go to war against Utah, we're [the US military] really gonna kick ass".The 2nd Amendment right puts guns in the hands of civilians.
Thick-headed civilians who can't think very far ahead work like gang members who get their first chrome-plated .45: they immediately feel invincible, and that leads to the assumption that the guns are for the purpose of standing watch over the government.
Don't kid yourself that any politician in the history of the US has ever thought (or will ever think) to themselves "well, I WANT to do X, but since the citizens have so many guns, maybe that wouldn't be a good idea.
"If you want to know what the 2nd Amendment is really for, look no further than St. George Tucker, a lawyer, Revolutionary War militia officer, legal scholar, and a U.S. District Court judge (appointed in 1813), who wrote about the amendment: This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty... The right of self-defense is the first law of nature; in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible.
It is a right to defend yourself from the government, not an establishment of the power to overthrow the government.
It's an important distinction.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493765</id>
	<title>Did you vote?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246107360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you vote in the last  UK election? No? Then shame on you. It's your fault your country's going downhill. Stop being such a F****g whiner and start joining a politically active group.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you vote in the last UK election ?
No ? Then shame on you .
It 's your fault your country 's going downhill .
Stop being such a F * * * * g whiner and start joining a politically active group .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you vote in the last  UK election?
No? Then shame on you.
It's your fault your country's going downhill.
Stop being such a F****g whiner and start joining a politically active group.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491969</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>drdoot</author>
	<datestamp>1246041360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>New Zealand is a modern, English speaking, very politically free and open country.. They are very much a part of the "First World", but so far have avoided many of the more "Police State-y" laws and regulations that you seem eager to be away from.</p></div><p>+ 1 for NZ.

NZ is the only country in the world where, on average the women have had more sexual partners than men.

It has the highest non-religious population in the world - meaning no laws are influenced by religion.

Housing is cheap given the recession.

And if you earn an income from outside of NZ while living there, you enjoy 4 years 100\% tax free income.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>New Zealand is a modern , English speaking , very politically free and open country.. They are very much a part of the " First World " , but so far have avoided many of the more " Police State-y " laws and regulations that you seem eager to be away from. + 1 for NZ .
NZ is the only country in the world where , on average the women have had more sexual partners than men .
It has the highest non-religious population in the world - meaning no laws are influenced by religion .
Housing is cheap given the recession .
And if you earn an income from outside of NZ while living there , you enjoy 4 years 100 \ % tax free income .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Zealand is a modern, English speaking, very politically free and open country.. They are very much a part of the "First World", but so far have avoided many of the more "Police State-y" laws and regulations that you seem eager to be away from.+ 1 for NZ.
NZ is the only country in the world where, on average the women have had more sexual partners than men.
It has the highest non-religious population in the world - meaning no laws are influenced by religion.
Housing is cheap given the recession.
And if you earn an income from outside of NZ while living there, you enjoy 4 years 100\% tax free income.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491799</id>
	<title>You don't know what freedom is</title>
	<author>awol</author>
	<datestamp>1246039980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You even link to the site of Liberty, a group that actively monitors, publishes and criticises the policies and practices of the government of which you speak and is based in the same freakin' country. If you fear "erosion of privacy" then why on earth do you fear a Tory government, they should be your best friend? You have just had a huge scandal about the rorting of your MPs funding and there is a strong tradition (important with the kind of constitution in the UK) of privacy and reaction to government intervention.</p><p>You, human, are clearly an idiot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You even link to the site of Liberty , a group that actively monitors , publishes and criticises the policies and practices of the government of which you speak and is based in the same freakin ' country .
If you fear " erosion of privacy " then why on earth do you fear a Tory government , they should be your best friend ?
You have just had a huge scandal about the rorting of your MPs funding and there is a strong tradition ( important with the kind of constitution in the UK ) of privacy and reaction to government intervention.You , human , are clearly an idiot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You even link to the site of Liberty, a group that actively monitors, publishes and criticises the policies and practices of the government of which you speak and is based in the same freakin' country.
If you fear "erosion of privacy" then why on earth do you fear a Tory government, they should be your best friend?
You have just had a huge scandal about the rorting of your MPs funding and there is a strong tradition (important with the kind of constitution in the UK) of privacy and reaction to government intervention.You, human, are clearly an idiot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492733</id>
	<title>Brasil</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246093320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go to Brasil and forget about oral language. Body language is universal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go to Brasil and forget about oral language .
Body language is universal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go to Brasil and forget about oral language.
Body language is universal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493431</id>
	<title>UK will get better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246102020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My prediction is that while the UK is probably the worst English-speaking country in the world in terms of civil liberties and privacy right now, it will be one of the first to get a cluestick.

Unlike India, Fiji(!), and various other place that you might consider moving to, Britain has a long history of what I would call "bedrock freedom" and (despite recent expense claim scandals) a pretty healthy democracy with it. This isn't based on religion, or guns, or the death sentence like the US and other countries so it tends to have a more laid back characteristic that *can* go a bit awry at times (like now). Basically though, if enough people get pissed off at the idiocy of things like ID cards, they will vote for a party that will end that idiocy. Indeed, the Conservatives have said if elected they will scrap the proposed ID card system, for example. There is also civil protest and riot. Britain has a long and healthy tradition of rioting in the streets, much like France, and far more frequent than the US or Canada. It tends also to work as a last-ditch tactic (cf. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll\_tax\_riot" title="wikipedia.org">Poll Tax Riots</a> [wikipedia.org]).

In short, British society has shallow moods - right now we're in a mood to sleepwalk into a surveillance society, but I think we'll soon wake up and turn the other way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My prediction is that while the UK is probably the worst English-speaking country in the world in terms of civil liberties and privacy right now , it will be one of the first to get a cluestick .
Unlike India , Fiji ( !
) , and various other place that you might consider moving to , Britain has a long history of what I would call " bedrock freedom " and ( despite recent expense claim scandals ) a pretty healthy democracy with it .
This is n't based on religion , or guns , or the death sentence like the US and other countries so it tends to have a more laid back characteristic that * can * go a bit awry at times ( like now ) .
Basically though , if enough people get pissed off at the idiocy of things like ID cards , they will vote for a party that will end that idiocy .
Indeed , the Conservatives have said if elected they will scrap the proposed ID card system , for example .
There is also civil protest and riot .
Britain has a long and healthy tradition of rioting in the streets , much like France , and far more frequent than the US or Canada .
It tends also to work as a last-ditch tactic ( cf .
Poll Tax Riots [ wikipedia.org ] ) .
In short , British society has shallow moods - right now we 're in a mood to sleepwalk into a surveillance society , but I think we 'll soon wake up and turn the other way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My prediction is that while the UK is probably the worst English-speaking country in the world in terms of civil liberties and privacy right now, it will be one of the first to get a cluestick.
Unlike India, Fiji(!
), and various other place that you might consider moving to, Britain has a long history of what I would call "bedrock freedom" and (despite recent expense claim scandals) a pretty healthy democracy with it.
This isn't based on religion, or guns, or the death sentence like the US and other countries so it tends to have a more laid back characteristic that *can* go a bit awry at times (like now).
Basically though, if enough people get pissed off at the idiocy of things like ID cards, they will vote for a party that will end that idiocy.
Indeed, the Conservatives have said if elected they will scrap the proposed ID card system, for example.
There is also civil protest and riot.
Britain has a long and healthy tradition of rioting in the streets, much like France, and far more frequent than the US or Canada.
It tends also to work as a last-ditch tactic (cf.
Poll Tax Riots [wikipedia.org]).
In short, British society has shallow moods - right now we're in a mood to sleepwalk into a surveillance society, but I think we'll soon wake up and turn the other way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491303</id>
	<title>Anarchy?</title>
	<author>Sporkinum</author>
	<datestamp>1246036560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A Banana republic with a little anarchy thrown in for good measure would probably be the most "free". Obviously, most people would like a little civilization thrown in for good measure. The trick is finding the right balance. My guess would be maybe one of the old eastern block countries. I would have no idea which one though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A Banana republic with a little anarchy thrown in for good measure would probably be the most " free " .
Obviously , most people would like a little civilization thrown in for good measure .
The trick is finding the right balance .
My guess would be maybe one of the old eastern block countries .
I would have no idea which one though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Banana republic with a little anarchy thrown in for good measure would probably be the most "free".
Obviously, most people would like a little civilization thrown in for good measure.
The trick is finding the right balance.
My guess would be maybe one of the old eastern block countries.
I would have no idea which one though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492875</id>
	<title>Freedoms</title>
	<author>DaMattster</author>
	<datestamp>1246094640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately, things in the United States really aren't any better.  In some ways, freedoms are more covertly taken away.  I think if so-called democracy continues to get whittled away, we will be ripe for another revolution.  Government is scared of the internet as well.  The internet can quickly debunk propoganda.  The internet is the single greatest threat to the Chinese Communist Party.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , things in the United States really are n't any better .
In some ways , freedoms are more covertly taken away .
I think if so-called democracy continues to get whittled away , we will be ripe for another revolution .
Government is scared of the internet as well .
The internet can quickly debunk propoganda .
The internet is the single greatest threat to the Chinese Communist Party .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, things in the United States really aren't any better.
In some ways, freedoms are more covertly taken away.
I think if so-called democracy continues to get whittled away, we will be ripe for another revolution.
Government is scared of the internet as well.
The internet can quickly debunk propoganda.
The internet is the single greatest threat to the Chinese Communist Party.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493457</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246102380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What he is proposing to do is vote with his tax dollars.  Sure, one person's money doesn't make much difference, but if the UK sees a sudden outflux of skilled workers who care about their freedom, they might be inclined to do something.</p><p>Not everyone is destined to be great, but just acting in a rational economic way can still be a force for persuading governments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What he is proposing to do is vote with his tax dollars .
Sure , one person 's money does n't make much difference , but if the UK sees a sudden outflux of skilled workers who care about their freedom , they might be inclined to do something.Not everyone is destined to be great , but just acting in a rational economic way can still be a force for persuading governments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What he is proposing to do is vote with his tax dollars.
Sure, one person's money doesn't make much difference, but if the UK sees a sudden outflux of skilled workers who care about their freedom, they might be inclined to do something.Not everyone is destined to be great, but just acting in a rational economic way can still be a force for persuading governments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491445</id>
	<title>Re:Hope you like guns</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246037520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ooh you sound so smart, however, almost anyone would rather live in a world where people can take advantage of them over a world where some government controls everything.</p><p>"Hope you like guns"<br>This has been argued many times over, and anyone with common sense will understand that people who intend to kill will obtain guns/weapons wether or not they are legal-they're already going to kill someone, who cares if the gun is legal? If they cannot obtain these weapons, they will use different weapons. No ones going to go "Oh well, I was gonna shoot that guy but all I have is a baseball bat so I guess I won't."<br>The only exception is when some kid takes a parent's gun and shoots up his school. This is the parent's fault for being stupid enough to leave the gun where the kid can get it, and not recognizing the child's problems before hand (which are obviously there).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ooh you sound so smart , however , almost anyone would rather live in a world where people can take advantage of them over a world where some government controls everything .
" Hope you like guns " This has been argued many times over , and anyone with common sense will understand that people who intend to kill will obtain guns/weapons wether or not they are legal-they 're already going to kill someone , who cares if the gun is legal ?
If they can not obtain these weapons , they will use different weapons .
No ones going to go " Oh well , I was gon na shoot that guy but all I have is a baseball bat so I guess I wo n't .
" The only exception is when some kid takes a parent 's gun and shoots up his school .
This is the parent 's fault for being stupid enough to leave the gun where the kid can get it , and not recognizing the child 's problems before hand ( which are obviously there ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ooh you sound so smart, however, almost anyone would rather live in a world where people can take advantage of them over a world where some government controls everything.
"Hope you like guns"This has been argued many times over, and anyone with common sense will understand that people who intend to kill will obtain guns/weapons wether or not they are legal-they're already going to kill someone, who cares if the gun is legal?
If they cannot obtain these weapons, they will use different weapons.
No ones going to go "Oh well, I was gonna shoot that guy but all I have is a baseball bat so I guess I won't.
"The only exception is when some kid takes a parent's gun and shoots up his school.
This is the parent's fault for being stupid enough to leave the gun where the kid can get it, and not recognizing the child's problems before hand (which are obviously there).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493135</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>pyrotic</author>
	<datestamp>1246097880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would suggest either Somalia or Democratic Republic of Congo. Both are places where you can have your freedom, and where you can live tax free without government interference. I would suggest you bring a kalashnikov though.</p><p>But seriously, I've been living in Egypt for 2 years, although it's a corrupt dictatorship, as a foreigner it can work quite well. Bribes can get you almost anything if you do it right. And as a foreign passport holder, you are immune to arrest on most of the usual charges like running a blog or saying bad things about the King. If you can get work with Oracle or Microsoft, wages are comparable to the West. And living is cheap.</p><p>The infrastructure is crumbling though, and I'm sick of it. I could move into a gated compound, and hang out with expats and foreign-educated Egyptians, but that would bore me to death. If I wanted that, I'd move to Dubai. Which is a whole other bag of weird.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would suggest either Somalia or Democratic Republic of Congo .
Both are places where you can have your freedom , and where you can live tax free without government interference .
I would suggest you bring a kalashnikov though.But seriously , I 've been living in Egypt for 2 years , although it 's a corrupt dictatorship , as a foreigner it can work quite well .
Bribes can get you almost anything if you do it right .
And as a foreign passport holder , you are immune to arrest on most of the usual charges like running a blog or saying bad things about the King .
If you can get work with Oracle or Microsoft , wages are comparable to the West .
And living is cheap.The infrastructure is crumbling though , and I 'm sick of it .
I could move into a gated compound , and hang out with expats and foreign-educated Egyptians , but that would bore me to death .
If I wanted that , I 'd move to Dubai .
Which is a whole other bag of weird .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would suggest either Somalia or Democratic Republic of Congo.
Both are places where you can have your freedom, and where you can live tax free without government interference.
I would suggest you bring a kalashnikov though.But seriously, I've been living in Egypt for 2 years, although it's a corrupt dictatorship, as a foreigner it can work quite well.
Bribes can get you almost anything if you do it right.
And as a foreign passport holder, you are immune to arrest on most of the usual charges like running a blog or saying bad things about the King.
If you can get work with Oracle or Microsoft, wages are comparable to the West.
And living is cheap.The infrastructure is crumbling though, and I'm sick of it.
I could move into a gated compound, and hang out with expats and foreign-educated Egyptians, but that would bore me to death.
If I wanted that, I'd move to Dubai.
Which is a whole other bag of weird.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491533</id>
	<title>Antarctica</title>
	<author>unlametheweak</author>
	<datestamp>1246038000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Antarctica has no laws that I am aware of (aside from some UN treaties; though everybody knows how enforceable UN treaties are).</p><p>By "freer" I'm not sure what you mean, as the word "free" is quite ambiguous; free from what? Utopia is a place that literally means nowhere. As long as there are humans where you go then you will never be completely free, because humans gain status by controlling other people. Play the game, or get out of it completely. There is no need for money down there, no violence, rape, or thievery. It's a cool place to live. Don't forget to bring your snow shoes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Antarctica has no laws that I am aware of ( aside from some UN treaties ; though everybody knows how enforceable UN treaties are ) .By " freer " I 'm not sure what you mean , as the word " free " is quite ambiguous ; free from what ?
Utopia is a place that literally means nowhere .
As long as there are humans where you go then you will never be completely free , because humans gain status by controlling other people .
Play the game , or get out of it completely .
There is no need for money down there , no violence , rape , or thievery .
It 's a cool place to live .
Do n't forget to bring your snow shoes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Antarctica has no laws that I am aware of (aside from some UN treaties; though everybody knows how enforceable UN treaties are).By "freer" I'm not sure what you mean, as the word "free" is quite ambiguous; free from what?
Utopia is a place that literally means nowhere.
As long as there are humans where you go then you will never be completely free, because humans gain status by controlling other people.
Play the game, or get out of it completely.
There is no need for money down there, no violence, rape, or thievery.
It's a cool place to live.
Don't forget to bring your snow shoes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491823</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>elbobo</author>
	<datestamp>1246040220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. Sounds like the original question asker is ideology driven, not reality driven.</p><p>Are the privacy invasions *actually* hurting their quality of life? I seriously doubt it. They're letting ideology override their actual life experience.</p><p>Foolish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
Sounds like the original question asker is ideology driven , not reality driven.Are the privacy invasions * actually * hurting their quality of life ?
I seriously doubt it .
They 're letting ideology override their actual life experience.Foolish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
Sounds like the original question asker is ideology driven, not reality driven.Are the privacy invasions *actually* hurting their quality of life?
I seriously doubt it.
They're letting ideology override their actual life experience.Foolish.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493293</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand of course</title>
	<author>michaelnz</author>
	<datestamp>1246100040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>New Zealand, the last Western bastion without a socialist government. (Well... in name anyway) We just had elections and kicked out the socialists while even the USA has embraced socialism/communism/totalitarianism under Obama. Damn, even the Aussies got damn socialist government.</p><p>Unfortunately we do have a democracy (Force by numbers) which unfortunately doesn't equate to freedom which is what you desire. The best country for you currently would be New Zealand but if the USA once day remembers what it's true foundations are and starts adhering to her constitution then the USA has got to be the best place for any freedom loving person.</p></div><p>You throw around socialism rather quickly. Labour, the party that has been in power over the past 9 years until the recent election could only barely be considered socialist. National party managed to win mostly from a "it's now our turn" campaign and if they try to undo many of Labour's policies they'll be out next election.</p><p>I've never heard anyone refer to democracy as an unfortunate circumstance and I doubt the original poster has any desire to live in a non-Democratic nation as those have a tendency to have the least amount of privacy or freedoms.</p><p>Most New Zealanders value their current "socialist" health care system, zero fault insurance, and employee protections. Most New Zealanders are incredibly supportive of Obama's election and hated Bush. The way you throw around "socialism/communism/totalitarianism" I'm surprised you didn't equate us to Stalinist Russia.</p><p>One of the down sides of New Zealand's current parliament structure is that whatever party collation manages to gain power they can essentially pass every single piece of legislation they want as parliament members are selected by party leaders based on loyalty rather than individual states based on local representation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>New Zealand , the last Western bastion without a socialist government .
( Well... in name anyway ) We just had elections and kicked out the socialists while even the USA has embraced socialism/communism/totalitarianism under Obama .
Damn , even the Aussies got damn socialist government.Unfortunately we do have a democracy ( Force by numbers ) which unfortunately does n't equate to freedom which is what you desire .
The best country for you currently would be New Zealand but if the USA once day remembers what it 's true foundations are and starts adhering to her constitution then the USA has got to be the best place for any freedom loving person.You throw around socialism rather quickly .
Labour , the party that has been in power over the past 9 years until the recent election could only barely be considered socialist .
National party managed to win mostly from a " it 's now our turn " campaign and if they try to undo many of Labour 's policies they 'll be out next election.I 've never heard anyone refer to democracy as an unfortunate circumstance and I doubt the original poster has any desire to live in a non-Democratic nation as those have a tendency to have the least amount of privacy or freedoms.Most New Zealanders value their current " socialist " health care system , zero fault insurance , and employee protections .
Most New Zealanders are incredibly supportive of Obama 's election and hated Bush .
The way you throw around " socialism/communism/totalitarianism " I 'm surprised you did n't equate us to Stalinist Russia.One of the down sides of New Zealand 's current parliament structure is that whatever party collation manages to gain power they can essentially pass every single piece of legislation they want as parliament members are selected by party leaders based on loyalty rather than individual states based on local representation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Zealand, the last Western bastion without a socialist government.
(Well... in name anyway) We just had elections and kicked out the socialists while even the USA has embraced socialism/communism/totalitarianism under Obama.
Damn, even the Aussies got damn socialist government.Unfortunately we do have a democracy (Force by numbers) which unfortunately doesn't equate to freedom which is what you desire.
The best country for you currently would be New Zealand but if the USA once day remembers what it's true foundations are and starts adhering to her constitution then the USA has got to be the best place for any freedom loving person.You throw around socialism rather quickly.
Labour, the party that has been in power over the past 9 years until the recent election could only barely be considered socialist.
National party managed to win mostly from a "it's now our turn" campaign and if they try to undo many of Labour's policies they'll be out next election.I've never heard anyone refer to democracy as an unfortunate circumstance and I doubt the original poster has any desire to live in a non-Democratic nation as those have a tendency to have the least amount of privacy or freedoms.Most New Zealanders value their current "socialist" health care system, zero fault insurance, and employee protections.
Most New Zealanders are incredibly supportive of Obama's election and hated Bush.
The way you throw around "socialism/communism/totalitarianism" I'm surprised you didn't equate us to Stalinist Russia.One of the down sides of New Zealand's current parliament structure is that whatever party collation manages to gain power they can essentially pass every single piece of legislation they want as parliament members are selected by party leaders based on loyalty rather than individual states based on local representation.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491403</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246037280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But to be quite honest with you, with what is going in Iran at this moment, your request seems frivolous.</p></div><p>uh no.<br> <br>
Iran is a reminder of what happens when the government becomes too authoritarian and the people finally realize it.  You could then notice that one's own country was rapidly sliding down the authoritarian scale.  You then have to decide if you want to leave or hang around until the shit hits the fan.  You also have to consider that the point where you can freely leave is much sooner than the proverbial shit storm.
<br> <br>
You wouldn't shout down the frog in the 75 deg C water for saying "gee it's getting warmer in here" just because the pot next to him is finally boiling.  (assuming of course hypothetical frogs that can stand 75 deg C temps some how...)</p></div>
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<tokenext>But to be quite honest with you , with what is going in Iran at this moment , your request seems frivolous.uh no .
Iran is a reminder of what happens when the government becomes too authoritarian and the people finally realize it .
You could then notice that one 's own country was rapidly sliding down the authoritarian scale .
You then have to decide if you want to leave or hang around until the shit hits the fan .
You also have to consider that the point where you can freely leave is much sooner than the proverbial shit storm .
You would n't shout down the frog in the 75 deg C water for saying " gee it 's getting warmer in here " just because the pot next to him is finally boiling .
( assuming of course hypothetical frogs that can stand 75 deg C temps some how... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But to be quite honest with you, with what is going in Iran at this moment, your request seems frivolous.uh no.
Iran is a reminder of what happens when the government becomes too authoritarian and the people finally realize it.
You could then notice that one's own country was rapidly sliding down the authoritarian scale.
You then have to decide if you want to leave or hang around until the shit hits the fan.
You also have to consider that the point where you can freely leave is much sooner than the proverbial shit storm.
You wouldn't shout down the frog in the 75 deg C water for saying "gee it's getting warmer in here" just because the pot next to him is finally boiling.
(assuming of course hypothetical frogs that can stand 75 deg C temps some how...)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28501389</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>axllent</author>
	<datestamp>1246128540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The grass is always greener on the other side. I moved to New Zealand 3 years ago from the Netherlands, and this is now the third continent I have lived on. I moved here to get away from the busy lifestyle, the economic pressure and materialistic mentality. The general Kiwi youth attitude is that they all need to go either to Australia or the UK because it's so much better there. The funny thing is they are generally the same ones who have never in their life left the islands, so they actually have nothing to compare it to other than Holywood on TV.</p><p>The only reason they think it's all better is because they have a cousin or friend who did the same and is earning "big bucks" in comparison. It has nothing to do with lifestyle, and even more amusing is they almost all come back after several years<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The grass is always greener on the other side .
I moved to New Zealand 3 years ago from the Netherlands , and this is now the third continent I have lived on .
I moved here to get away from the busy lifestyle , the economic pressure and materialistic mentality .
The general Kiwi youth attitude is that they all need to go either to Australia or the UK because it 's so much better there .
The funny thing is they are generally the same ones who have never in their life left the islands , so they actually have nothing to compare it to other than Holywood on TV.The only reason they think it 's all better is because they have a cousin or friend who did the same and is earning " big bucks " in comparison .
It has nothing to do with lifestyle , and even more amusing is they almost all come back after several years ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The grass is always greener on the other side.
I moved to New Zealand 3 years ago from the Netherlands, and this is now the third continent I have lived on.
I moved here to get away from the busy lifestyle, the economic pressure and materialistic mentality.
The general Kiwi youth attitude is that they all need to go either to Australia or the UK because it's so much better there.
The funny thing is they are generally the same ones who have never in their life left the islands, so they actually have nothing to compare it to other than Holywood on TV.The only reason they think it's all better is because they have a cousin or friend who did the same and is earning "big bucks" in comparison.
It has nothing to do with lifestyle, and even more amusing is they almost all come back after several years ;-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494561</id>
	<title>Re:Conservatives and ID Cards</title>
	<author>Lawrence\_Bird</author>
	<datestamp>1246116000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only that but all the repressive policies he is complaining about came under which government? Hmm... lets see.. Labor!  And what is labor? Liberal left!   Of course that is not to say that conservatives can do no evil too (usa circa 2002-2006) but close inspection will show that the left is as bad, if not many times worse, for personal freedoms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that but all the repressive policies he is complaining about came under which government ?
Hmm... lets see.. Labor ! And what is labor ?
Liberal left !
Of course that is not to say that conservatives can do no evil too ( usa circa 2002-2006 ) but close inspection will show that the left is as bad , if not many times worse , for personal freedoms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that but all the repressive policies he is complaining about came under which government?
Hmm... lets see.. Labor!  And what is labor?
Liberal left!
Of course that is not to say that conservatives can do no evil too (usa circa 2002-2006) but close inspection will show that the left is as bad, if not many times worse, for personal freedoms.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498421</id>
	<title>Come To Aus</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246102440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Go to Australia. We've got literally no way of being stopped from downloading stuff<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D. The country looks nice, but if you can put up with bad drivers, slow internet and all the other crap you've heard about us then come on down<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go to Australia .
We 've got literally no way of being stopped from downloading stuff : D. The country looks nice , but if you can put up with bad drivers , slow internet and all the other crap you 've heard about us then come on down : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Go to Australia.
We've got literally no way of being stopped from downloading stuff :D. The country looks nice, but if you can put up with bad drivers, slow internet and all the other crap you've heard about us then come on down :D</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491869</id>
	<title>Re:Stay away from Canada</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246040580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wanker? Don't you mean <i>hoser</i>?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wanker ?
Do n't you mean hoser ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wanker?
Don't you mean hoser?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493505</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of choices in Europe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246103160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I currently reside in Sweden. And no, there's no expectation of privacy anymore than in the UK. There are cameras everywhere, the p-nummer system is reminescent of that 60s show "The Prisoner", and the drug (I don't use any, btw) policy is one of the most repressive in the world. There are state-monopolies in many sectors and the country is fairly racist (in that you're considered an immigrant if one of your parents was born outside the country). Also, the government's decisions seldom represent the will of the majority. Not to mention that it's a monarchy too. And the food and weather are about as horrible. </p><p>I would say stay in your country and fight the good fight (I'd end up shot, tortured or in jail if I stayed in mine). Never underestimate the power of a determined person to change things for the better! If you go to another country, you can't really bitch and moan without some idiot shouting "love it or leave it" at you.</p><p>P.S: Posted as AC for obvious reasons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I currently reside in Sweden .
And no , there 's no expectation of privacy anymore than in the UK .
There are cameras everywhere , the p-nummer system is reminescent of that 60s show " The Prisoner " , and the drug ( I do n't use any , btw ) policy is one of the most repressive in the world .
There are state-monopolies in many sectors and the country is fairly racist ( in that you 're considered an immigrant if one of your parents was born outside the country ) .
Also , the government 's decisions seldom represent the will of the majority .
Not to mention that it 's a monarchy too .
And the food and weather are about as horrible .
I would say stay in your country and fight the good fight ( I 'd end up shot , tortured or in jail if I stayed in mine ) .
Never underestimate the power of a determined person to change things for the better !
If you go to another country , you ca n't really bitch and moan without some idiot shouting " love it or leave it " at you.P.S : Posted as AC for obvious reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I currently reside in Sweden.
And no, there's no expectation of privacy anymore than in the UK.
There are cameras everywhere, the p-nummer system is reminescent of that 60s show "The Prisoner", and the drug (I don't use any, btw) policy is one of the most repressive in the world.
There are state-monopolies in many sectors and the country is fairly racist (in that you're considered an immigrant if one of your parents was born outside the country).
Also, the government's decisions seldom represent the will of the majority.
Not to mention that it's a monarchy too.
And the food and weather are about as horrible.
I would say stay in your country and fight the good fight (I'd end up shot, tortured or in jail if I stayed in mine).
Never underestimate the power of a determined person to change things for the better!
If you go to another country, you can't really bitch and moan without some idiot shouting "love it or leave it" at you.P.S: Posted as AC for obvious reasons.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491819</id>
	<title>Lots of choices in Europe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246040220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>My favorite list: Switzerland, Netherland, Finland, Sweden, Norway. I would love to live in Switzerland myself: I love the direct democracy there, the peaceful people and the beautiful nature and very high standard of living.
Another option is to become really rich! Rich people enjoy much more freedom all over the world!</htmltext>
<tokenext>My favorite list : Switzerland , Netherland , Finland , Sweden , Norway .
I would love to live in Switzerland myself : I love the direct democracy there , the peaceful people and the beautiful nature and very high standard of living .
Another option is to become really rich !
Rich people enjoy much more freedom all over the world !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My favorite list: Switzerland, Netherland, Finland, Sweden, Norway.
I would love to live in Switzerland myself: I love the direct democracy there, the peaceful people and the beautiful nature and very high standard of living.
Another option is to become really rich!
Rich people enjoy much more freedom all over the world!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491911</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246040880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>UN Human Development Index: UK ranks 17th<br>Human Poverty Index: UK ranks 15th<br>Economic Freedom Index: UK ranks 10th<br>Privacy Index: UK ranks 5th (higher is worse)</p><p>All numbers courtesy of The Economist Intelligence Unit. They indicate the UK is nowhere near having one of the highest standards of living in the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>UN Human Development Index : UK ranks 17thHuman Poverty Index : UK ranks 15thEconomic Freedom Index : UK ranks 10thPrivacy Index : UK ranks 5th ( higher is worse ) All numbers courtesy of The Economist Intelligence Unit .
They indicate the UK is nowhere near having one of the highest standards of living in the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>UN Human Development Index: UK ranks 17thHuman Poverty Index: UK ranks 15thEconomic Freedom Index: UK ranks 10thPrivacy Index: UK ranks 5th (higher is worse)All numbers courtesy of The Economist Intelligence Unit.
They indicate the UK is nowhere near having one of the highest standards of living in the world.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493757</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246107300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're forgetting the other likely possibility.</p><p>They could have really high standards, and they're all shagging the same few handsome, rich men, and the other guys are left out in the cold.</p><p>That doesn't sound so great to me, not feeling myself to be either rich or handsome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're forgetting the other likely possibility.They could have really high standards , and they 're all shagging the same few handsome , rich men , and the other guys are left out in the cold.That does n't sound so great to me , not feeling myself to be either rich or handsome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're forgetting the other likely possibility.They could have really high standards, and they're all shagging the same few handsome, rich men, and the other guys are left out in the cold.That doesn't sound so great to me, not feeling myself to be either rich or handsome.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493553</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1246103820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think reality is even more subtle than that.</p><p>Because America is a relatively free country where the troops are the people, rather than somewhere like say North Korea or Iran where the troops are above the people any attempt by an American government to impose tyranny to the point of rebellion would actually see their own military turn on them and overthrow them. This is not far fetched - we have seen it in places like Turkey and similarly Lebanon's secular military is the only thing really preventing the country becoming a Hezbollah stronghold.</p><p>People seem to assume the army would be against them, but unlike North Korea where the troops are troops because otherwise they and their families starve to death troops in the US have little to lose by defying government.</p><p>I think the 2nd amendment is irrelevant then not just for the reasons you state, but because civilians would never need to do any fighting against the military because it'd be on their side in the first place.</p><p>It would take a massive culture change to get the military to blindly follow the government, a change that would ultimately require the government to find some severe leverage over the armed forces - like the risk of starvation for soldiers and their families if they don't comply. But I cannot think of any way they could really get that leverage without the support of the military in the first place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think reality is even more subtle than that.Because America is a relatively free country where the troops are the people , rather than somewhere like say North Korea or Iran where the troops are above the people any attempt by an American government to impose tyranny to the point of rebellion would actually see their own military turn on them and overthrow them .
This is not far fetched - we have seen it in places like Turkey and similarly Lebanon 's secular military is the only thing really preventing the country becoming a Hezbollah stronghold.People seem to assume the army would be against them , but unlike North Korea where the troops are troops because otherwise they and their families starve to death troops in the US have little to lose by defying government.I think the 2nd amendment is irrelevant then not just for the reasons you state , but because civilians would never need to do any fighting against the military because it 'd be on their side in the first place.It would take a massive culture change to get the military to blindly follow the government , a change that would ultimately require the government to find some severe leverage over the armed forces - like the risk of starvation for soldiers and their families if they do n't comply .
But I can not think of any way they could really get that leverage without the support of the military in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think reality is even more subtle than that.Because America is a relatively free country where the troops are the people, rather than somewhere like say North Korea or Iran where the troops are above the people any attempt by an American government to impose tyranny to the point of rebellion would actually see their own military turn on them and overthrow them.
This is not far fetched - we have seen it in places like Turkey and similarly Lebanon's secular military is the only thing really preventing the country becoming a Hezbollah stronghold.People seem to assume the army would be against them, but unlike North Korea where the troops are troops because otherwise they and their families starve to death troops in the US have little to lose by defying government.I think the 2nd amendment is irrelevant then not just for the reasons you state, but because civilians would never need to do any fighting against the military because it'd be on their side in the first place.It would take a massive culture change to get the military to blindly follow the government, a change that would ultimately require the government to find some severe leverage over the armed forces - like the risk of starvation for soldiers and their families if they don't comply.
But I cannot think of any way they could really get that leverage without the support of the military in the first place.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492553</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246134060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're planning to move to Finland you better not be black.  They're a tad racist over there.  A mate was refused service at a bank branch because his colour was scaring the staff and customers.  Nice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're planning to move to Finland you better not be black .
They 're a tad racist over there .
A mate was refused service at a bank branch because his colour was scaring the staff and customers .
Nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're planning to move to Finland you better not be black.
They're a tad racist over there.
A mate was refused service at a bank branch because his colour was scaring the staff and customers.
Nice.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493725</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246106640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an Italian I wholly agree on Switzerland. I have a close friend who was lucky enough to move there many years ago and doesn't have the faintest idea to come back more than just a couple weeks during summer to see some sea water. You 're right about coming here to see the ocean (albeit the mediterranean isn't an ocean but an almost closed sea). Nowadays Italy is literally going down the shitter thanks to the criminal government gone completely out of control and the corrupt opposition that doesn't do anything to stop the criminals in power. For that matter If I had to choose a country in Europe with some sea I'd go for Spain. I have no personal accounts on how's going on there, but friends and colleagues still describe that place as very democratic and enjoyable. Then my choice would probably go to Norway, Sweden or Netherlands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an Italian I wholly agree on Switzerland .
I have a close friend who was lucky enough to move there many years ago and does n't have the faintest idea to come back more than just a couple weeks during summer to see some sea water .
You 're right about coming here to see the ocean ( albeit the mediterranean is n't an ocean but an almost closed sea ) .
Nowadays Italy is literally going down the shitter thanks to the criminal government gone completely out of control and the corrupt opposition that does n't do anything to stop the criminals in power .
For that matter If I had to choose a country in Europe with some sea I 'd go for Spain .
I have no personal accounts on how 's going on there , but friends and colleagues still describe that place as very democratic and enjoyable .
Then my choice would probably go to Norway , Sweden or Netherlands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an Italian I wholly agree on Switzerland.
I have a close friend who was lucky enough to move there many years ago and doesn't have the faintest idea to come back more than just a couple weeks during summer to see some sea water.
You 're right about coming here to see the ocean (albeit the mediterranean isn't an ocean but an almost closed sea).
Nowadays Italy is literally going down the shitter thanks to the criminal government gone completely out of control and the corrupt opposition that doesn't do anything to stop the criminals in power.
For that matter If I had to choose a country in Europe with some sea I'd go for Spain.
I have no personal accounts on how's going on there, but friends and colleagues still describe that place as very democratic and enjoyable.
Then my choice would probably go to Norway, Sweden or Netherlands.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495471</id>
	<title>India - and only India</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246123800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am an Indian and I have travelled and lived all over the world. No country is as free as India. Always has been<br>and still is the freest society of humans on this planet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am an Indian and I have travelled and lived all over the world .
No country is as free as India .
Always has beenand still is the freest society of humans on this planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am an Indian and I have travelled and lived all over the world.
No country is as free as India.
Always has beenand still is the freest society of humans on this planet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492837</id>
	<title>Live with the consequences of your actions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246094280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the reasons you give for wanting to leave the UK is "the prospect of a Conservative government in the near future," which indicates that you most likely vote for one of the the parties on the left of the political spectrum. But the parties that has been in power in the UK while all the freedoms you complain about are being taken away are the parties on the left of the political spectrum.</p><p>So you (most likely) vote for political parties that take your rights away and then you want to run away from the consequences of your votes.</p><p>Just do whatever country you move to a favor and don't vote to bring about the same type of government you have in the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the reasons you give for wanting to leave the UK is " the prospect of a Conservative government in the near future , " which indicates that you most likely vote for one of the the parties on the left of the political spectrum .
But the parties that has been in power in the UK while all the freedoms you complain about are being taken away are the parties on the left of the political spectrum.So you ( most likely ) vote for political parties that take your rights away and then you want to run away from the consequences of your votes.Just do whatever country you move to a favor and do n't vote to bring about the same type of government you have in the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the reasons you give for wanting to leave the UK is "the prospect of a Conservative government in the near future," which indicates that you most likely vote for one of the the parties on the left of the political spectrum.
But the parties that has been in power in the UK while all the freedoms you complain about are being taken away are the parties on the left of the political spectrum.So you (most likely) vote for political parties that take your rights away and then you want to run away from the consequences of your votes.Just do whatever country you move to a favor and don't vote to bring about the same type of government you have in the UK.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493955</id>
	<title>Kiwi for me</title>
	<author>Kensai7</author>
	<datestamp>1246110240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>New Zealand</b> is probably the best. Superb countryside, fantastic people, open uncomplexed society.<br>I'm moving there anytime they offered me the opportunity!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New Zealand is probably the best .
Superb countryside , fantastic people , open uncomplexed society.I 'm moving there anytime they offered me the opportunity !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Zealand is probably the best.
Superb countryside, fantastic people, open uncomplexed society.I'm moving there anytime they offered me the opportunity!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493365</id>
	<title>People with guns do affect politics here.</title>
	<author>nickruiz</author>
	<datestamp>1246100940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't kid yourself that any politician in the history of the US has ever thought (or will ever think) to themselves "well, I WANT to do X, but since the citizens have so many guns, maybe that wouldn't be a good idea."</p></div><p>Perhaps not in the positive light you're trying to shed. While a politician may not pursue justice for the sake of a well-armed constituency, seeds of corruption are sown in areas with high drug trafficking and gang violence [citation needed]. I'm sure that there are plenty of politicians who fear for their families, let alone their own lives, and by doing so fail to address the injustices that occur on a daily basis in those areas. Especially if their police department cannot provide them with the security they need.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't kid yourself that any politician in the history of the US has ever thought ( or will ever think ) to themselves " well , I WANT to do X , but since the citizens have so many guns , maybe that would n't be a good idea .
" Perhaps not in the positive light you 're trying to shed .
While a politician may not pursue justice for the sake of a well-armed constituency , seeds of corruption are sown in areas with high drug trafficking and gang violence [ citation needed ] .
I 'm sure that there are plenty of politicians who fear for their families , let alone their own lives , and by doing so fail to address the injustices that occur on a daily basis in those areas .
Especially if their police department can not provide them with the security they need .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't kid yourself that any politician in the history of the US has ever thought (or will ever think) to themselves "well, I WANT to do X, but since the citizens have so many guns, maybe that wouldn't be a good idea.
"Perhaps not in the positive light you're trying to shed.
While a politician may not pursue justice for the sake of a well-armed constituency, seeds of corruption are sown in areas with high drug trafficking and gang violence [citation needed].
I'm sure that there are plenty of politicians who fear for their families, let alone their own lives, and by doing so fail to address the injustices that occur on a daily basis in those areas.
Especially if their police department cannot provide them with the security they need.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491773</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493235</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246099200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think your best bet is to go on a few holidays and that you will have more of an idea of were you really want to be.........</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think your best bet is to go on a few holidays and that you will have more of an idea of were you really want to be........ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think your best bet is to go on a few holidays and that you will have more of an idea of were you really want to be.........</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495259</id>
	<title>Stay in the UK and fight</title>
	<author>prefec2</author>
	<datestamp>1246121880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beside the fact, that in most other countries you have to learn a new language. In most western countries you will find, ID cards, repressions, observation of the public, monitoring communication activities. The last one is done in every EU country. Cameras are not limited to the UK and even the Spanish have ID cards with fingerprints (was Franco's idea and I thought the idea came from Otto Schily). Instead of fleeing find a way to fight it. And one step to do so is, to get organized. You cannot win if you are not willing to leave the house.</p><p>Look we have the very same problems everywhere. So it might help to fight. Think about public health care. It was not invented by the establishment. People fought for it. So if you want to deorwellize the UK, Europe and the rest of the world. Start in your home country. Running away is no solution.</p><p>If you want to go to Germany, well we are building a new Internet censorship infrastructure, or go to France they just try to establish a three strike thingy for the MI. Or go to Sweden their already ahead of Germany. As I already said, there is no EU country without total communication monitoring. So you might think. The US, Australia, or Canada is an option. Well forget it, they are doing the very same thing. You might find countries like Columbia or Venezuela without more attractive. However, they have other problems.</p><p>So I only could ask you, beg you. Stay and fight, and not run and hide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beside the fact , that in most other countries you have to learn a new language .
In most western countries you will find , ID cards , repressions , observation of the public , monitoring communication activities .
The last one is done in every EU country .
Cameras are not limited to the UK and even the Spanish have ID cards with fingerprints ( was Franco 's idea and I thought the idea came from Otto Schily ) .
Instead of fleeing find a way to fight it .
And one step to do so is , to get organized .
You can not win if you are not willing to leave the house.Look we have the very same problems everywhere .
So it might help to fight .
Think about public health care .
It was not invented by the establishment .
People fought for it .
So if you want to deorwellize the UK , Europe and the rest of the world .
Start in your home country .
Running away is no solution.If you want to go to Germany , well we are building a new Internet censorship infrastructure , or go to France they just try to establish a three strike thingy for the MI .
Or go to Sweden their already ahead of Germany .
As I already said , there is no EU country without total communication monitoring .
So you might think .
The US , Australia , or Canada is an option .
Well forget it , they are doing the very same thing .
You might find countries like Columbia or Venezuela without more attractive .
However , they have other problems.So I only could ask you , beg you .
Stay and fight , and not run and hide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beside the fact, that in most other countries you have to learn a new language.
In most western countries you will find, ID cards, repressions, observation of the public, monitoring communication activities.
The last one is done in every EU country.
Cameras are not limited to the UK and even the Spanish have ID cards with fingerprints (was Franco's idea and I thought the idea came from Otto Schily).
Instead of fleeing find a way to fight it.
And one step to do so is, to get organized.
You cannot win if you are not willing to leave the house.Look we have the very same problems everywhere.
So it might help to fight.
Think about public health care.
It was not invented by the establishment.
People fought for it.
So if you want to deorwellize the UK, Europe and the rest of the world.
Start in your home country.
Running away is no solution.If you want to go to Germany, well we are building a new Internet censorship infrastructure, or go to France they just try to establish a three strike thingy for the MI.
Or go to Sweden their already ahead of Germany.
As I already said, there is no EU country without total communication monitoring.
So you might think.
The US, Australia, or Canada is an option.
Well forget it, they are doing the very same thing.
You might find countries like Columbia or Venezuela without more attractive.
However, they have other problems.So I only could ask you, beg you.
Stay and fight, and not run and hide.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28500595</id>
	<title>Re:Canada would be a very good choice!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246120560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Keep in mind however that Quebec (the province) news doesn't report much in the way of international news. I've got friends who hadn't even heard of 9/11 until 3-4 years later when they moved to Ontario.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Keep in mind however that Quebec ( the province ) news does n't report much in the way of international news .
I 've got friends who had n't even heard of 9/11 until 3-4 years later when they moved to Ontario .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Keep in mind however that Quebec (the province) news doesn't report much in the way of international news.
I've got friends who hadn't even heard of 9/11 until 3-4 years later when they moved to Ontario.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491499</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492049</id>
	<title>Unlike your choice of words...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246042200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure how friendly you want to get with all those beautiful women on the streetcorners...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure how friendly you want to get with all those beautiful women on the streetcorners.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure how friendly you want to get with all those beautiful women on the streetcorners...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491499</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491835</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>an unsound mind</author>
	<datestamp>1246040280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mosquitoes, cold winters, rampant xenophobia, crazy people and Helsinki smells like excrement.</p><p>Yes I'm a local.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mosquitoes , cold winters , rampant xenophobia , crazy people and Helsinki smells like excrement.Yes I 'm a local .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mosquitoes, cold winters, rampant xenophobia, crazy people and Helsinki smells like excrement.Yes I'm a local.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491297</id>
	<title>List of Countries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246036560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's a list of countries by Human Development Index

<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_Human\_Development\_Index#High" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_Human\_Development\_Index#High</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a list of countries by Human Development Index http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List \ _of \ _countries \ _by \ _Human \ _Development \ _Index # High [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a list of countries by Human Development Index

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_Human\_Development\_Index#High [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495321</id>
	<title>Chile</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1246122480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hundreds if not thousands of U.K. citizens have already done it.</p><p>Among other things, Chile has a corruption free, stable economy, and the government does not fear the people and the people do not fear the goverment. Neighbors leave neighbors alone, unless you go actively looking for friends. So, does the government. Chile is one of the few countries that is not going to debt to monitor every citizen, every second of day. It actually maintains a budget surplus.</p><p>Here is an example of the respect the people have for the police. The chief of police was recently killed in a helicopter crash in Panama. More people lined the streets around the country, and left flowers at police stations all over the country, than when the president or other politicians died. Police in Chile are viewed as not only as trust worthy, but almost family on a nation wide basis. They are able to better enforce the laws, because even the criminals view them as objective third-parties. They are not worried the police are going to beat con</p><p>The list of reasons is way way too long for why Chile, but try this site for a lot more details:</p><p><a href="http://www.allchile.net/" title="allchile.net">Chile</a> [allchile.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hundreds if not thousands of U.K. citizens have already done it.Among other things , Chile has a corruption free , stable economy , and the government does not fear the people and the people do not fear the goverment .
Neighbors leave neighbors alone , unless you go actively looking for friends .
So , does the government .
Chile is one of the few countries that is not going to debt to monitor every citizen , every second of day .
It actually maintains a budget surplus.Here is an example of the respect the people have for the police .
The chief of police was recently killed in a helicopter crash in Panama .
More people lined the streets around the country , and left flowers at police stations all over the country , than when the president or other politicians died .
Police in Chile are viewed as not only as trust worthy , but almost family on a nation wide basis .
They are able to better enforce the laws , because even the criminals view them as objective third-parties .
They are not worried the police are going to beat conThe list of reasons is way way too long for why Chile , but try this site for a lot more details : Chile [ allchile.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hundreds if not thousands of U.K. citizens have already done it.Among other things, Chile has a corruption free, stable economy, and the government does not fear the people and the people do not fear the goverment.
Neighbors leave neighbors alone, unless you go actively looking for friends.
So, does the government.
Chile is one of the few countries that is not going to debt to monitor every citizen, every second of day.
It actually maintains a budget surplus.Here is an example of the respect the people have for the police.
The chief of police was recently killed in a helicopter crash in Panama.
More people lined the streets around the country, and left flowers at police stations all over the country, than when the president or other politicians died.
Police in Chile are viewed as not only as trust worthy, but almost family on a nation wide basis.
They are able to better enforce the laws, because even the criminals view them as objective third-parties.
They are not worried the police are going to beat conThe list of reasons is way way too long for why Chile, but try this site for a lot more details:Chile [allchile.net]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492423</id>
	<title>Come to the USA</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1246046220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Things are not ideal here, but it's not yet a lost cause either. We could use some more people who still give a damn about freedom.</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Things are not ideal here , but it 's not yet a lost cause either .
We could use some more people who still give a damn about freedom.LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Things are not ideal here, but it's not yet a lost cause either.
We could use some more people who still give a damn about freedom.LK</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491705</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>RsG</author>
	<datestamp>1246039260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're falling into the trap of assuming that a political party is an entity in its own right, instead of an abstraction.  Rip open the heart of a party, and what falls out?  People.</p><p>Either change the views of the people who hold the power, or replace them with others, and the situation changes.  I'm not going to suggest this is easy, but I am going to suggest that if the constituents of a given Labour MP started flooding his or her office with letters pushing for change, it'd be a step in the right direction.</p><p>This does get us to the larger problems, which are apathy and support for the current state of affairs.  If the current crop of politicians didn't have popular support for what they were doing, they'd be out of a job.  So part of what needs to happen is getting through to enough of the people who either want the current government or don't care either way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're falling into the trap of assuming that a political party is an entity in its own right , instead of an abstraction .
Rip open the heart of a party , and what falls out ?
People.Either change the views of the people who hold the power , or replace them with others , and the situation changes .
I 'm not going to suggest this is easy , but I am going to suggest that if the constituents of a given Labour MP started flooding his or her office with letters pushing for change , it 'd be a step in the right direction.This does get us to the larger problems , which are apathy and support for the current state of affairs .
If the current crop of politicians did n't have popular support for what they were doing , they 'd be out of a job .
So part of what needs to happen is getting through to enough of the people who either want the current government or do n't care either way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're falling into the trap of assuming that a political party is an entity in its own right, instead of an abstraction.
Rip open the heart of a party, and what falls out?
People.Either change the views of the people who hold the power, or replace them with others, and the situation changes.
I'm not going to suggest this is easy, but I am going to suggest that if the constituents of a given Labour MP started flooding his or her office with letters pushing for change, it'd be a step in the right direction.This does get us to the larger problems, which are apathy and support for the current state of affairs.
If the current crop of politicians didn't have popular support for what they were doing, they'd be out of a job.
So part of what needs to happen is getting through to enough of the people who either want the current government or don't care either way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491561</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493399</id>
	<title>Re:ABOUT that</title>
	<author>jesusflores</author>
	<datestamp>1246101360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"But in Italy or Spain or Russia, if the cops want to interrogate you the first thing they do is beat you up."
I'm from Spain and what you say is nonsense. You really don't know of what you're speaking about, besides that's an ugly accusation you shouldn't say if you don't have any evidence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" But in Italy or Spain or Russia , if the cops want to interrogate you the first thing they do is beat you up .
" I 'm from Spain and what you say is nonsense .
You really do n't know of what you 're speaking about , besides that 's an ugly accusation you should n't say if you do n't have any evidence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"But in Italy or Spain or Russia, if the cops want to interrogate you the first thing they do is beat you up.
"
I'm from Spain and what you say is nonsense.
You really don't know of what you're speaking about, besides that's an ugly accusation you shouldn't say if you don't have any evidence.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492931</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493595</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>ChienAndalu</author>
	<datestamp>1246104360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Stay in the UK.  Its YOUR fucking country, damn it.</p></div><p>It is not. It is a random place on earth where he was born. He didn't choose to be there, he doesn't have any obligation to stay there and no obligation to the people who want to make his life miserable. By choosing to move to a better country with more freedoms, being a productive member of a free society and contributing to the prosperity of a better country, he supports freedom.</p><p>Vote with your feet.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stay in the UK .
Its YOUR fucking country , damn it.It is not .
It is a random place on earth where he was born .
He did n't choose to be there , he does n't have any obligation to stay there and no obligation to the people who want to make his life miserable .
By choosing to move to a better country with more freedoms , being a productive member of a free society and contributing to the prosperity of a better country , he supports freedom.Vote with your feet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stay in the UK.
Its YOUR fucking country, damn it.It is not.
It is a random place on earth where he was born.
He didn't choose to be there, he doesn't have any obligation to stay there and no obligation to the people who want to make his life miserable.
By choosing to move to a better country with more freedoms, being a productive member of a free society and contributing to the prosperity of a better country, he supports freedom.Vote with your feet.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491517</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494803</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>mcvos</author>
	<datestamp>1246118640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I know I'm being a bit unfair, and that the mere existence of Iran doesn't excuse any violations into your privacy that you feel exist, but considering what is going on in the world this post seems ill-timed at best.</p></div><p>Why is it ill timed? Should you wait to demand freedom until it's abundant? Seems to me the best time to demand it is when it's being threatened.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I 'm being a bit unfair , and that the mere existence of Iran does n't excuse any violations into your privacy that you feel exist , but considering what is going on in the world this post seems ill-timed at best.Why is it ill timed ?
Should you wait to demand freedom until it 's abundant ?
Seems to me the best time to demand it is when it 's being threatened .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I'm being a bit unfair, and that the mere existence of Iran doesn't excuse any violations into your privacy that you feel exist, but considering what is going on in the world this post seems ill-timed at best.Why is it ill timed?
Should you wait to demand freedom until it's abundant?
Seems to me the best time to demand it is when it's being threatened.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28506249</id>
	<title>Gay Pride Day Parade</title>
	<author>freeasinrealale</author>
	<datestamp>1246220700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right (sic) now I'm watching Toronto's gay pride parade on TV. This is a city sanctioned parade. Currently seeing the city police and OPP (provincial police) floats and participants going by. This is our 29th annual Pride parade. Although I didn't make it this year, I have ( as a staight person ) enjoyed the joie de vivre of this parade and will definitely attend again. I think this parade exemplifies life in southern Ontario. I love it here. Check us out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right ( sic ) now I 'm watching Toronto 's gay pride parade on TV .
This is a city sanctioned parade .
Currently seeing the city police and OPP ( provincial police ) floats and participants going by .
This is our 29th annual Pride parade .
Although I did n't make it this year , I have ( as a staight person ) enjoyed the joie de vivre of this parade and will definitely attend again .
I think this parade exemplifies life in southern Ontario .
I love it here .
Check us out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right (sic) now I'm watching Toronto's gay pride parade on TV.
This is a city sanctioned parade.
Currently seeing the city police and OPP (provincial police) floats and participants going by.
This is our 29th annual Pride parade.
Although I didn't make it this year, I have ( as a staight person ) enjoyed the joie de vivre of this parade and will definitely attend again.
I think this parade exemplifies life in southern Ontario.
I love it here.
Check us out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28526879</id>
	<title>Re:List of Countries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246370220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So Soulskill, it's going to be Australia or Canada for you? (first English speaking countries on the list).</p><p>Personally, I have no problem with a strong power to the police, as long as they obey democratically elected presidents.</p><p>The other alternative is total freedom, or anarchy which is great for a little while, but soon the strong rule the weak and this is far worse than a democracy with a strong police.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So Soulskill , it 's going to be Australia or Canada for you ?
( first English speaking countries on the list ) .Personally , I have no problem with a strong power to the police , as long as they obey democratically elected presidents.The other alternative is total freedom , or anarchy which is great for a little while , but soon the strong rule the weak and this is far worse than a democracy with a strong police .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Soulskill, it's going to be Australia or Canada for you?
(first English speaking countries on the list).Personally, I have no problem with a strong power to the police, as long as they obey democratically elected presidents.The other alternative is total freedom, or anarchy which is great for a little while, but soon the strong rule the weak and this is far worse than a democracy with a strong police.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491297</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28504131</id>
	<title>Estonia...</title>
	<author>ahow628</author>
	<datestamp>1246206780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to a slightly old State of World Liberty study, Estonia is has the most personal freedoms and is considered the most libertarian nation.

<a href="http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/index.html" title="stateofworldliberty.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/index.html</a> [stateofworldliberty.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to a slightly old State of World Liberty study , Estonia is has the most personal freedoms and is considered the most libertarian nation .
http : //www.stateofworldliberty.org/index.html [ stateofworldliberty.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to a slightly old State of World Liberty study, Estonia is has the most personal freedoms and is considered the most libertarian nation.
http://www.stateofworldliberty.org/index.html [stateofworldliberty.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493639</id>
	<title>if you really want a a free country..</title>
	<author>Psylok</author>
	<datestamp>1246105020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>(absolutly don't) come to Italy!</htmltext>
<tokenext>( absolutly do n't ) come to Italy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(absolutly don't) come to Italy!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493749</id>
	<title>I'm just curious about something...</title>
	<author>joedoc</author>
	<datestamp>1246107180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You included some kind of apprehension of a "Conservative" government taking over power in the UK. As someone who is politically conservative in the US, I can't help but wonder why that would be a factor. I'm not the smartest man in the world, but it looks to me as though many of the privacy issues you have have been put in place by the current Liberal government.
<br> <br>
But if the Conservatives really frighten you that much, I'd avoid coming you the US. The liberal government in place here now is doing a really fine job of eroding many of our rights, including many related to what a person does, in private, with their own income, health care and automotive choices. Hell, our congress just partially approved legislation that would make all living creatures in America polluters, since they believe that if you're a carbon-based life form, you're destroying the environment.
<br> <br>
Nonetheless, things are getting bad here now, and I expect that the tide is going to turn the other way in the next few years. I'm predicting lots of liberal/Democratic/"progressives" will be tossed out in the mid-term elections, and Barak Obama will be shown the door after one term.
<br> <br>
So, you might want to scratch the US from your short list.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You included some kind of apprehension of a " Conservative " government taking over power in the UK .
As someone who is politically conservative in the US , I ca n't help but wonder why that would be a factor .
I 'm not the smartest man in the world , but it looks to me as though many of the privacy issues you have have been put in place by the current Liberal government .
But if the Conservatives really frighten you that much , I 'd avoid coming you the US .
The liberal government in place here now is doing a really fine job of eroding many of our rights , including many related to what a person does , in private , with their own income , health care and automotive choices .
Hell , our congress just partially approved legislation that would make all living creatures in America polluters , since they believe that if you 're a carbon-based life form , you 're destroying the environment .
Nonetheless , things are getting bad here now , and I expect that the tide is going to turn the other way in the next few years .
I 'm predicting lots of liberal/Democratic/ " progressives " will be tossed out in the mid-term elections , and Barak Obama will be shown the door after one term .
So , you might want to scratch the US from your short list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You included some kind of apprehension of a "Conservative" government taking over power in the UK.
As someone who is politically conservative in the US, I can't help but wonder why that would be a factor.
I'm not the smartest man in the world, but it looks to me as though many of the privacy issues you have have been put in place by the current Liberal government.
But if the Conservatives really frighten you that much, I'd avoid coming you the US.
The liberal government in place here now is doing a really fine job of eroding many of our rights, including many related to what a person does, in private, with their own income, health care and automotive choices.
Hell, our congress just partially approved legislation that would make all living creatures in America polluters, since they believe that if you're a carbon-based life form, you're destroying the environment.
Nonetheless, things are getting bad here now, and I expect that the tide is going to turn the other way in the next few years.
I'm predicting lots of liberal/Democratic/"progressives" will be tossed out in the mid-term elections, and Barak Obama will be shown the door after one term.
So, you might want to scratch the US from your short list.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492137</id>
	<title>Been thinking the same thing in the US</title>
	<author>DrBuzzo</author>
	<datestamp>1246043040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since the recent political shift in the US we've been headed toward higher taxes, socialized health care, very regressive taxation on energy and crippling restrictions on industry. The financial system has been designed to make government control over the financial sector while rigging bonds to assure they fail.  (I don't know if this was the original intention)    I have always wanted to be a buisiness owner and I don't think I can do that successfully in the US with the current administration.
<br> <br>
I don't know that it will ever offer the true freedom of privacy, but as far as economic freedom goes:  Hong Kong seems like a descent place.   Granted it's part of Red China, but it is generally self-governed.  I also have thought of Fiji.  It's the kind of place where the government is pretty weak and doesn't bother people too much.
<br> <br>

Man, and I thought Bush was bad.   It's starting to feel like Poland in 1945 - we finally got rid of Hitler and now we're living under Stalin.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since the recent political shift in the US we 've been headed toward higher taxes , socialized health care , very regressive taxation on energy and crippling restrictions on industry .
The financial system has been designed to make government control over the financial sector while rigging bonds to assure they fail .
( I do n't know if this was the original intention ) I have always wanted to be a buisiness owner and I do n't think I can do that successfully in the US with the current administration .
I do n't know that it will ever offer the true freedom of privacy , but as far as economic freedom goes : Hong Kong seems like a descent place .
Granted it 's part of Red China , but it is generally self-governed .
I also have thought of Fiji .
It 's the kind of place where the government is pretty weak and does n't bother people too much .
Man , and I thought Bush was bad .
It 's starting to feel like Poland in 1945 - we finally got rid of Hitler and now we 're living under Stalin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since the recent political shift in the US we've been headed toward higher taxes, socialized health care, very regressive taxation on energy and crippling restrictions on industry.
The financial system has been designed to make government control over the financial sector while rigging bonds to assure they fail.
(I don't know if this was the original intention)    I have always wanted to be a buisiness owner and I don't think I can do that successfully in the US with the current administration.
I don't know that it will ever offer the true freedom of privacy, but as far as economic freedom goes:  Hong Kong seems like a descent place.
Granted it's part of Red China, but it is generally self-governed.
I also have thought of Fiji.
It's the kind of place where the government is pretty weak and doesn't bother people too much.
Man, and I thought Bush was bad.
It's starting to feel like Poland in 1945 - we finally got rid of Hitler and now we're living under Stalin.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491935</id>
	<title>where the bloody hell are you?</title>
	<author>neonsignal</author>
	<datestamp>1246041060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
come to Australia - we love pommie whingers here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>come to Australia - we love pommie whingers here : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
come to Australia - we love pommie whingers here :-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492007</id>
	<title>sigh...</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1246041780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
We're all running out of places to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're all running out of places to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
We're all running out of places to go.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28499445</id>
	<title>degrees of freedom</title>
	<author>hherb</author>
	<datestamp>1246111020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have lived and worked in Germany, Spain, Argentina, Paraguay, Chile, RSA, Norway, and now in Australia. I spent quite a lot of time in the US too but only for scientific exchanges and research projects, though I got a permanent visa there too. Whenever I can, I travel and see other countries and there are not that many I haven't visited yet in the past 30 years. I think this gives me a good overview of how different countries work and are worthwhile to live in.</p><p>If you seek freedom as in "do as you please as long as you can fend for yourself", then many 3rd world countries are hard to beat; requires very little money or influence  to make law enforcement look away if you break the rules. However, there will always be people with more money and influence than you, and their "doing as they please" might hurt you grievously.</p><p>If you seek freedom as in guaranteed civil liberties and rights and a chance to have your say *and* get heared, I'd look at Norway, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and perhaps New Zealand.</p><p>US and UK are pretty much at the top of my list of "countries that suck". Currently I live in Australia, because it is a good compromise for my own preferences, but free it is definitely not.</p><p>The most important freedom t look for in a country is the freedom to walk away from it with all your possessions and family members whenever you want - you'll be surprised how many countries don't qualify for even this once you look closer.</p><p>Horst</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have lived and worked in Germany , Spain , Argentina , Paraguay , Chile , RSA , Norway , and now in Australia .
I spent quite a lot of time in the US too but only for scientific exchanges and research projects , though I got a permanent visa there too .
Whenever I can , I travel and see other countries and there are not that many I have n't visited yet in the past 30 years .
I think this gives me a good overview of how different countries work and are worthwhile to live in.If you seek freedom as in " do as you please as long as you can fend for yourself " , then many 3rd world countries are hard to beat ; requires very little money or influence to make law enforcement look away if you break the rules .
However , there will always be people with more money and influence than you , and their " doing as they please " might hurt you grievously.If you seek freedom as in guaranteed civil liberties and rights and a chance to have your say * and * get heared , I 'd look at Norway , Denmark , Finland , Netherlands , Luxembourg , Switzerland , and perhaps New Zealand.US and UK are pretty much at the top of my list of " countries that suck " .
Currently I live in Australia , because it is a good compromise for my own preferences , but free it is definitely not.The most important freedom t look for in a country is the freedom to walk away from it with all your possessions and family members whenever you want - you 'll be surprised how many countries do n't qualify for even this once you look closer.Horst</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have lived and worked in Germany, Spain, Argentina, Paraguay, Chile, RSA, Norway, and now in Australia.
I spent quite a lot of time in the US too but only for scientific exchanges and research projects, though I got a permanent visa there too.
Whenever I can, I travel and see other countries and there are not that many I haven't visited yet in the past 30 years.
I think this gives me a good overview of how different countries work and are worthwhile to live in.If you seek freedom as in "do as you please as long as you can fend for yourself", then many 3rd world countries are hard to beat; requires very little money or influence  to make law enforcement look away if you break the rules.
However, there will always be people with more money and influence than you, and their "doing as they please" might hurt you grievously.If you seek freedom as in guaranteed civil liberties and rights and a chance to have your say *and* get heared, I'd look at Norway, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Switzerland, and perhaps New Zealand.US and UK are pretty much at the top of my list of "countries that suck".
Currently I live in Australia, because it is a good compromise for my own preferences, but free it is definitely not.The most important freedom t look for in a country is the freedom to walk away from it with all your possessions and family members whenever you want - you'll be surprised how many countries don't qualify for even this once you look closer.Horst</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493971</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>jsa95</author>
	<datestamp>1246110360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Don't kid yourself that any politician in the history of the US has ever thought (or will ever think) to themselves "well, I WANT to do X, but since the citizens have so many guns, maybe that wouldn't be a good idea."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

Except of course for "X=gun abolition".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't kid yourself that any politician in the history of the US has ever thought ( or will ever think ) to themselves " well , I WANT to do X , but since the citizens have so many guns , maybe that would n't be a good idea .
" Except of course for " X = gun abolition " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't kid yourself that any politician in the history of the US has ever thought (or will ever think) to themselves "well, I WANT to do X, but since the citizens have so many guns, maybe that wouldn't be a good idea.
"


Except of course for "X=gun abolition".
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493227</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand of course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246099080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you think obama is a socialist , you are an idiot.. how anybody can say something like that after the country just escaped from the worst president in its history is beyond me. But what I really want to say is, don't throw around words that you don't comprehend.</p><p>If obama was a politician in Europe, he would be considered right-winged. If bush was a politician in Europe he would be considered a fascist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you think obama is a socialist , you are an idiot.. how anybody can say something like that after the country just escaped from the worst president in its history is beyond me .
But what I really want to say is , do n't throw around words that you do n't comprehend.If obama was a politician in Europe , he would be considered right-winged .
If bush was a politician in Europe he would be considered a fascist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you think obama is a socialist , you are an idiot.. how anybody can say something like that after the country just escaped from the worst president in its history is beyond me.
But what I really want to say is, don't throw around words that you don't comprehend.If obama was a politician in Europe, he would be considered right-winged.
If bush was a politician in Europe he would be considered a fascist.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491977</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494695</id>
	<title>For the sake of humanity</title>
	<author>okmijnuhb</author>
	<datestamp>1246117560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For the sake of humanity, use the energies you would to flee, and instead direct them towards reforming your country.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For the sake of humanity , use the energies you would to flee , and instead direct them towards reforming your country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the sake of humanity, use the energies you would to flee, and instead direct them towards reforming your country.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28559709</id>
	<title>Privacy International</title>
	<author>goltz20707</author>
	<datestamp>1246557420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>PI (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy\_International" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy\_International</a> [wikipedia.org]) publishes a list of countries by Privacy Index.  The UK is 1.5 ("Endemic surveillance societies", just ahead of Singapore), and the US is 2.0 ("Extensive surveillance societies", between Israel and Thailand).  Based on that list, your best bets are Germany (3.9) or Canada (3.6) (both in the category "Consistently upholds human rights standards").</htmltext>
<tokenext>PI ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy \ _International [ wikipedia.org ] ) publishes a list of countries by Privacy Index .
The UK is 1.5 ( " Endemic surveillance societies " , just ahead of Singapore ) , and the US is 2.0 ( " Extensive surveillance societies " , between Israel and Thailand ) .
Based on that list , your best bets are Germany ( 3.9 ) or Canada ( 3.6 ) ( both in the category " Consistently upholds human rights standards " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privacy\_International [wikipedia.org]) publishes a list of countries by Privacy Index.
The UK is 1.5 ("Endemic surveillance societies", just ahead of Singapore), and the US is 2.0 ("Extensive surveillance societies", between Israel and Thailand).
Based on that list, your best bets are Germany (3.9) or Canada (3.6) (both in the category "Consistently upholds human rights standards").</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491827</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>plover</author>
	<datestamp>1246040220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Go ahead, move to a Scandinavian country.  Regarding cold, it's overrated as a problem.  As the temperature drops, you can always put on another layer of clothing and stay warm.  But in a hot clime, there's only so much you can take off before you're roasting under the sun.  Besides, the dramatic change in seasons is nice.  You get very used to a rhythmic year of variations.  And living in England you're used to the four seasons, although it never gets too hot or too cold.  But if you go someplace tropical, the lack of variation in the weather can slowly drive you mad.
</p><p>
It's funny how you can seriously miss things that sound bad, like cold weather.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Go ahead , move to a Scandinavian country .
Regarding cold , it 's overrated as a problem .
As the temperature drops , you can always put on another layer of clothing and stay warm .
But in a hot clime , there 's only so much you can take off before you 're roasting under the sun .
Besides , the dramatic change in seasons is nice .
You get very used to a rhythmic year of variations .
And living in England you 're used to the four seasons , although it never gets too hot or too cold .
But if you go someplace tropical , the lack of variation in the weather can slowly drive you mad .
It 's funny how you can seriously miss things that sound bad , like cold weather .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Go ahead, move to a Scandinavian country.
Regarding cold, it's overrated as a problem.
As the temperature drops, you can always put on another layer of clothing and stay warm.
But in a hot clime, there's only so much you can take off before you're roasting under the sun.
Besides, the dramatic change in seasons is nice.
You get very used to a rhythmic year of variations.
And living in England you're used to the four seasons, although it never gets too hot or too cold.
But if you go someplace tropical, the lack of variation in the weather can slowly drive you mad.
It's funny how you can seriously miss things that sound bad, like cold weather.
</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493513</id>
	<title>What a tool!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246103400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beat the crap out of him and send him to Somalia. He doesn't know a thing about how happy he is being born in the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beat the crap out of him and send him to Somalia .
He does n't know a thing about how happy he is being born in the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beat the crap out of him and send him to Somalia.
He doesn't know a thing about how happy he is being born in the UK.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28501923</id>
	<title>Canada..</title>
	<author>tickticker</author>
	<datestamp>1246181280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a real nice city. I've been there once.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a real nice city .
I 've been there once .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a real nice city.
I've been there once.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28506489</id>
	<title>Some real world advice to the naive</title>
	<author>algoa456</author>
	<datestamp>1246222560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh what a dumb ass <i>"prospect of a Conservative government in the near future".</i> It was the left wing Labour governments of Blair and Brown that brought in the restrictive 'police state' measures you twit.
</p><p>

I have lived in SA, UK, Australia, NZ and Canada. And each of these countries has strengths and weaknesses.  I'd say that Australians are the least tolerant of government interference and push back on government meddling. They have a commendable disrespect and suspicion of authority; UK is simply a crap place to live unless you are excited by the coming prospect of Sharia law; NZ is intrinsically socialist (only recently has a conservative been elected) and Canada has a pretty acquiescent population keen to follow orders and with no sense of humour. (All their funny guys moved to Hollywood.) Canadians are unusual too in that unlike other cultures they define themselves by what they are not: "Hello, I am not American." To be fair it has an advantage that it is close to the US (that you may be able to tolerate now that the Dark Doofus is running things there)</p><p>

But why stop there (or bankrupt Ireland) - obviously from your comments you are a keen (though confused) lefty so why not try an English speaking country in Africa.  South Africa is the quintessential 'new Wild West'.  Few laws apply and the authorities sure aren't watching you. Everybody is too busy avoiding being killed by the lawless mob.  Police are easily bribed (R100 - about $10 - get you off most traffic offences), law enforcement rarely bothers to come when you call them (can be a problem if you are in danger) and it is pretty easy to avoid tax.  It is easy to fly under the authorities' radar and the populace - white and black - have a great sense of humour, are anarchic by nature and are most emphatically not politically correct.  Can be a great place to live if you don't mind carrying a gun. See for example, a real non PC TV ad from SA
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCL9tcxBOMs" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCL9tcxBOMs</a> [youtube.com]
</p><p>

My experience though is that despite protestations to the contrary most Brits really do miss the grubby streets of England;  houses the size of American dog kennels; the unbelievable prices of everything - almost $10 a cup at Starbucks - and most of all the misguided and truly unfounded sense of superiority Brits have towards the rest of the world. </p><p>

Best advice I can give: Stay Home and ignore the cameras.
</p><p>
A postscript: ignore the best city/country ratings - these are just anti-American politically motivated propaganda unless you truly think Ottawa (rated 16th) with -30C winters, dull suburbs and people, miles from the sea has more zing and livability than (say) San Francisco (rated 30th).  For the record I live in Canada.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh what a dumb ass " prospect of a Conservative government in the near future " .
It was the left wing Labour governments of Blair and Brown that brought in the restrictive 'police state ' measures you twit .
I have lived in SA , UK , Australia , NZ and Canada .
And each of these countries has strengths and weaknesses .
I 'd say that Australians are the least tolerant of government interference and push back on government meddling .
They have a commendable disrespect and suspicion of authority ; UK is simply a crap place to live unless you are excited by the coming prospect of Sharia law ; NZ is intrinsically socialist ( only recently has a conservative been elected ) and Canada has a pretty acquiescent population keen to follow orders and with no sense of humour .
( All their funny guys moved to Hollywood .
) Canadians are unusual too in that unlike other cultures they define themselves by what they are not : " Hello , I am not American .
" To be fair it has an advantage that it is close to the US ( that you may be able to tolerate now that the Dark Doofus is running things there ) But why stop there ( or bankrupt Ireland ) - obviously from your comments you are a keen ( though confused ) lefty so why not try an English speaking country in Africa .
South Africa is the quintessential 'new Wild West' .
Few laws apply and the authorities sure are n't watching you .
Everybody is too busy avoiding being killed by the lawless mob .
Police are easily bribed ( R100 - about $ 10 - get you off most traffic offences ) , law enforcement rarely bothers to come when you call them ( can be a problem if you are in danger ) and it is pretty easy to avoid tax .
It is easy to fly under the authorities ' radar and the populace - white and black - have a great sense of humour , are anarchic by nature and are most emphatically not politically correct .
Can be a great place to live if you do n't mind carrying a gun .
See for example , a real non PC TV ad from SA http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = bCL9tcxBOMs [ youtube.com ] My experience though is that despite protestations to the contrary most Brits really do miss the grubby streets of England ; houses the size of American dog kennels ; the unbelievable prices of everything - almost $ 10 a cup at Starbucks - and most of all the misguided and truly unfounded sense of superiority Brits have towards the rest of the world .
Best advice I can give : Stay Home and ignore the cameras .
A postscript : ignore the best city/country ratings - these are just anti-American politically motivated propaganda unless you truly think Ottawa ( rated 16th ) with -30C winters , dull suburbs and people , miles from the sea has more zing and livability than ( say ) San Francisco ( rated 30th ) .
For the record I live in Canada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh what a dumb ass "prospect of a Conservative government in the near future".
It was the left wing Labour governments of Blair and Brown that brought in the restrictive 'police state' measures you twit.
I have lived in SA, UK, Australia, NZ and Canada.
And each of these countries has strengths and weaknesses.
I'd say that Australians are the least tolerant of government interference and push back on government meddling.
They have a commendable disrespect and suspicion of authority; UK is simply a crap place to live unless you are excited by the coming prospect of Sharia law; NZ is intrinsically socialist (only recently has a conservative been elected) and Canada has a pretty acquiescent population keen to follow orders and with no sense of humour.
(All their funny guys moved to Hollywood.
) Canadians are unusual too in that unlike other cultures they define themselves by what they are not: "Hello, I am not American.
" To be fair it has an advantage that it is close to the US (that you may be able to tolerate now that the Dark Doofus is running things there)

But why stop there (or bankrupt Ireland) - obviously from your comments you are a keen (though confused) lefty so why not try an English speaking country in Africa.
South Africa is the quintessential 'new Wild West'.
Few laws apply and the authorities sure aren't watching you.
Everybody is too busy avoiding being killed by the lawless mob.
Police are easily bribed (R100 - about $10 - get you off most traffic offences), law enforcement rarely bothers to come when you call them (can be a problem if you are in danger) and it is pretty easy to avoid tax.
It is easy to fly under the authorities' radar and the populace - white and black - have a great sense of humour, are anarchic by nature and are most emphatically not politically correct.
Can be a great place to live if you don't mind carrying a gun.
See for example, a real non PC TV ad from SA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCL9tcxBOMs [youtube.com]


My experience though is that despite protestations to the contrary most Brits really do miss the grubby streets of England;  houses the size of American dog kennels; the unbelievable prices of everything - almost $10 a cup at Starbucks - and most of all the misguided and truly unfounded sense of superiority Brits have towards the rest of the world.
Best advice I can give: Stay Home and ignore the cameras.
A postscript: ignore the best city/country ratings - these are just anti-American politically motivated propaganda unless you truly think Ottawa (rated 16th) with -30C winters, dull suburbs and people, miles from the sea has more zing and livability than (say) San Francisco (rated 30th).
For the record I live in Canada.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28504385</id>
	<title>Re:Anarchy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246208700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you don't mind getting kicked in the face once in a month you should come to Lithuania. We don't have any electronic monitoring because our government is computer illiterate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't mind getting kicked in the face once in a month you should come to Lithuania .
We do n't have any electronic monitoring because our government is computer illiterate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't mind getting kicked in the face once in a month you should come to Lithuania.
We don't have any electronic monitoring because our government is computer illiterate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492103</id>
	<title>Another vote for Canada</title>
	<author>woopate</author>
	<datestamp>1246042680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet another person suggesting Canada as an amazing place to live. 3rd place on the HDI, incredible natural beauty, and the population of a much, much smaller country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another person suggesting Canada as an amazing place to live .
3rd place on the HDI , incredible natural beauty , and the population of a much , much smaller country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another person suggesting Canada as an amazing place to live.
3rd place on the HDI, incredible natural beauty, and the population of a much, much smaller country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491487</id>
	<title>Re:Not the U.S.</title>
	<author>Planesdragon</author>
	<datestamp>1246037760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Civil War is brewing.  Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes, Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield.</p></div><p>Bullocks.  Civil War requires geopolitical division -- and we don't have that.  If Obama fails, the Republican Party gets a new rallying cry.  If not, then they'll just reform or go the way of the Whigs.</p><p>There have been panderings of a coming "race war" or "civil war" or "red invasion" for longer than my father's been alive.  And they're all crap, with an amazing ability to underestimate the religious feeling that "America" inspires in its citizens.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Civil War is brewing .
Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes , Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield.Bullocks .
Civil War requires geopolitical division -- and we do n't have that .
If Obama fails , the Republican Party gets a new rallying cry .
If not , then they 'll just reform or go the way of the Whigs.There have been panderings of a coming " race war " or " civil war " or " red invasion " for longer than my father 's been alive .
And they 're all crap , with an amazing ability to underestimate the religious feeling that " America " inspires in its citizens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Civil War is brewing.
Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes, Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield.Bullocks.
Civil War requires geopolitical division -- and we don't have that.
If Obama fails, the Republican Party gets a new rallying cry.
If not, then they'll just reform or go the way of the Whigs.There have been panderings of a coming "race war" or "civil war" or "red invasion" for longer than my father's been alive.
And they're all crap, with an amazing ability to underestimate the religious feeling that "America" inspires in its citizens.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493373</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>triplepoint217</author>
	<datestamp>1246101060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like your point here, and substantially agree.  However in the interest of sparking a lively discussion on this topic (which I think is an interesting topic and worth discussing), I am going to play devil's advocate for a minute her.</p><p>In a way he is standing up for his freedoms/exercising them, at least in a weak easy way.  He is voting with his feet (kind of like Amazon just did in North Carolina).  Nominally if England (or any country) suffers severe brain drain among its highly educated (and hopefully highly productive, though he is posting on slashdot, so no guarantee's on that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) ) taxpayers, I mean citizens, I mean subjects, ah, call it whatever you want, that should sent a message to someone that their policies are disapproved of.  It will probably go unheard, but it does at least hit send.</p><p>On the flip side, if all the people who cared enough about freedom to move to another country to secure it moved to a small list of countries that would, or at least should, give those countries a substantial population of people who care about freedom, and hopefully would be willing to protect it.</p><p>So while I agree with you that it is kind of the cop out answer to this problem, it is an answer of sorts, and is not completely invalid.  I can see where he is coming from, the interests that fight against our freedoms are very entrenched and powerful, so it can feel futile.  Don't let that stop you from trying though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like your point here , and substantially agree .
However in the interest of sparking a lively discussion on this topic ( which I think is an interesting topic and worth discussing ) , I am going to play devil 's advocate for a minute her.In a way he is standing up for his freedoms/exercising them , at least in a weak easy way .
He is voting with his feet ( kind of like Amazon just did in North Carolina ) .
Nominally if England ( or any country ) suffers severe brain drain among its highly educated ( and hopefully highly productive , though he is posting on slashdot , so no guarantee 's on that : ) ) taxpayers , I mean citizens , I mean subjects , ah , call it whatever you want , that should sent a message to someone that their policies are disapproved of .
It will probably go unheard , but it does at least hit send.On the flip side , if all the people who cared enough about freedom to move to another country to secure it moved to a small list of countries that would , or at least should , give those countries a substantial population of people who care about freedom , and hopefully would be willing to protect it.So while I agree with you that it is kind of the cop out answer to this problem , it is an answer of sorts , and is not completely invalid .
I can see where he is coming from , the interests that fight against our freedoms are very entrenched and powerful , so it can feel futile .
Do n't let that stop you from trying though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like your point here, and substantially agree.
However in the interest of sparking a lively discussion on this topic (which I think is an interesting topic and worth discussing), I am going to play devil's advocate for a minute her.In a way he is standing up for his freedoms/exercising them, at least in a weak easy way.
He is voting with his feet (kind of like Amazon just did in North Carolina).
Nominally if England (or any country) suffers severe brain drain among its highly educated (and hopefully highly productive, though he is posting on slashdot, so no guarantee's on that :) ) taxpayers, I mean citizens, I mean subjects, ah, call it whatever you want, that should sent a message to someone that their policies are disapproved of.
It will probably go unheard, but it does at least hit send.On the flip side, if all the people who cared enough about freedom to move to another country to secure it moved to a small list of countries that would, or at least should, give those countries a substantial population of people who care about freedom, and hopefully would be willing to protect it.So while I agree with you that it is kind of the cop out answer to this problem, it is an answer of sorts, and is not completely invalid.
I can see where he is coming from, the interests that fight against our freedoms are very entrenched and powerful, so it can feel futile.
Don't let that stop you from trying though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496047</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of choices in Europe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246128960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm with Warm3ch - Switzerland is a fantastic country, especially if you enjoy nature (if not, why not?  Buy some hiking boots!), but speaking German definitely helps there, and you should learn to understand a bit of Swiss-German too (it comes with time).  But from my personal experience, both Switzerland and the Netherlands have enough big companies whose IT departments are english-based.  Switzerland's cost of living is more expensive than the Netherlands, but you do get better wages and low taxes.  The Netherlands has great tax benefits for skilled expats (you have to get the job offer while you're abroad, and the company has to show that they tried to fill the position internally first, but most people get it easily - you shouldn't have any big gaps in your CV for this, either).  If you're single, both countries girls' are tough nuts - quite demanding in most cases, but you could be the perfect match.  The Dutch will discriminate a bit against English, because of their drunken ways (many young dutch guys are often close behind in their drunken antics, though).  In both Switzerland and the Netherlands, English is very widely spoken on the streets and you shouldn't have any troubles.  Still, it's nice to learn the local language.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm with Warm3ch - Switzerland is a fantastic country , especially if you enjoy nature ( if not , why not ?
Buy some hiking boots !
) , but speaking German definitely helps there , and you should learn to understand a bit of Swiss-German too ( it comes with time ) .
But from my personal experience , both Switzerland and the Netherlands have enough big companies whose IT departments are english-based .
Switzerland 's cost of living is more expensive than the Netherlands , but you do get better wages and low taxes .
The Netherlands has great tax benefits for skilled expats ( you have to get the job offer while you 're abroad , and the company has to show that they tried to fill the position internally first , but most people get it easily - you should n't have any big gaps in your CV for this , either ) .
If you 're single , both countries girls ' are tough nuts - quite demanding in most cases , but you could be the perfect match .
The Dutch will discriminate a bit against English , because of their drunken ways ( many young dutch guys are often close behind in their drunken antics , though ) .
In both Switzerland and the Netherlands , English is very widely spoken on the streets and you should n't have any troubles .
Still , it 's nice to learn the local language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm with Warm3ch - Switzerland is a fantastic country, especially if you enjoy nature (if not, why not?
Buy some hiking boots!
), but speaking German definitely helps there, and you should learn to understand a bit of Swiss-German too (it comes with time).
But from my personal experience, both Switzerland and the Netherlands have enough big companies whose IT departments are english-based.
Switzerland's cost of living is more expensive than the Netherlands, but you do get better wages and low taxes.
The Netherlands has great tax benefits for skilled expats (you have to get the job offer while you're abroad, and the company has to show that they tried to fill the position internally first, but most people get it easily - you shouldn't have any big gaps in your CV for this, either).
If you're single, both countries girls' are tough nuts - quite demanding in most cases, but you could be the perfect match.
The Dutch will discriminate a bit against English, because of their drunken ways (many young dutch guys are often close behind in their drunken antics, though).
In both Switzerland and the Netherlands, English is very widely spoken on the streets and you shouldn't have any troubles.
Still, it's nice to learn the local language.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492931</id>
	<title>ABOUT that</title>
	<author>rs79</author>
	<datestamp>1246095180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I've been giving it some thought too mate. I was born in Wales, grew up in suburban Toronto and lived, worked and married in LA for 10 years then moved to the rural countryside back in Canada.</p><p>The federal government here in Canada still suffers the mental derangement Bush had, we haven't got our Obama yet and no signs of one on the horizon. Bob Rae was as good as we had but people here are as dumb and blind as they were in the US towards Bush.</p><p>Enough 1984-ish crap is happening here in Canada now that I'd consider leaving. Almost every functional process you have to do that involves "the government" is 10X more complicated and 4X as expensive now that it's "all on the computer".</p><p>Hello but I'm old school and think things should be better after you computerize something not OMG worse, Microsoft products notwithstanding.</p><p>And I'd really like to live in a place where a quarter of the people aren't addicted to an opiate or crack and live in welfare. God love 'em and all but these aren't the people I associate daily with and all things being equal if I can't live in some hi tech colony of clever and witty people then at least can I live somewhere where they aren't all drug addled criminals? I lived in LA at a time when freebase/crack was invented and holy cow talk about the needle and the damage done down there at that time starting with Belushi. And what powerful stimlants and opiates have done to north america and britain aye aye aye. "House" is more a sad reflection on our society than humor.</p><p>Here's the pros and cons:</p><p>The cops. Yeah, um, we're kinda spoiled by this, but those of us living in the UK, Canada, US, Germany and a few but not many more places, if we're taken by the police they'll be polite, you have rights, all in all it would pass muster on a "are cops following proper and ethical procedure" tv reality show. But in Italy or Spain or Russia, if the cops want to interrogate you the first thing they do is beat you up. So you're really on a short list when it comes to "civilized" contries, very short in fact. Jersey and the other channel islands, too, have the benefit of first world police. The Durrell is on Jersey too which alone makes it a cool place to live if you're anything of a naturalist.</p><p>I have a list of places as I've been keeping track of this too.</p><p>Yes: Uruguay, Cameroon, Kenya.</p><p>Kenya only recently got added to this list it was a bit bouncy before but the other two have been cool and have less problems than most. It's been this way for a while and friends who go there fairly frequently say it's still the place to to.</p><p>Not: Costa rica/Belize. Don't buy into the lie. Not cool any more.</p><p>Of the places left there's a couple that look ok if you're careful but keep in mind you're not in the first world any more. Havnoig said that a dentist in Thailand in a very average looking strip-mall will look like a Beverly Hills dentist with all the latest gear operated by kind consummate professionals who charge $28 for a root canal not $1200 like in North America.</p><p>Borneo is cool too. One of the very few places where the different races reallu do live as one: Chinese, Indian and Utang.</p><p>("utang" is Malaysian for "human" or "person". So, "forest person" in Malay is Oran Utang, "Utang" is what they call themselves)</p><p>And whats interesting about this is these are the three basic type of human phenotype and the only place on earth where they do actually seem to be able to live in peace. Plus Borneo is 95\% unexplored for all you extreme sports enthusiasts.</p><p>Madagascar would be worth putting up with.</p><p>A lot of it's attitude, too. You'd probably find Brits and Canadians that would be happier in each others contries and yanks and new zealanders in the same situation. For my money they're really all the same, little but more of this here little but less of that there but they're fairly homogenius.</p><p>Switzerland maybe too, but it's expensive.</p><p>Uruguay is my first choice. And if you're really into getting way from it all, look at downt</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been giving it some thought too mate .
I was born in Wales , grew up in suburban Toronto and lived , worked and married in LA for 10 years then moved to the rural countryside back in Canada.The federal government here in Canada still suffers the mental derangement Bush had , we have n't got our Obama yet and no signs of one on the horizon .
Bob Rae was as good as we had but people here are as dumb and blind as they were in the US towards Bush.Enough 1984-ish crap is happening here in Canada now that I 'd consider leaving .
Almost every functional process you have to do that involves " the government " is 10X more complicated and 4X as expensive now that it 's " all on the computer " .Hello but I 'm old school and think things should be better after you computerize something not OMG worse , Microsoft products notwithstanding.And I 'd really like to live in a place where a quarter of the people are n't addicted to an opiate or crack and live in welfare .
God love 'em and all but these are n't the people I associate daily with and all things being equal if I ca n't live in some hi tech colony of clever and witty people then at least can I live somewhere where they are n't all drug addled criminals ?
I lived in LA at a time when freebase/crack was invented and holy cow talk about the needle and the damage done down there at that time starting with Belushi .
And what powerful stimlants and opiates have done to north america and britain aye aye aye .
" House " is more a sad reflection on our society than humor.Here 's the pros and cons : The cops .
Yeah , um , we 're kinda spoiled by this , but those of us living in the UK , Canada , US , Germany and a few but not many more places , if we 're taken by the police they 'll be polite , you have rights , all in all it would pass muster on a " are cops following proper and ethical procedure " tv reality show .
But in Italy or Spain or Russia , if the cops want to interrogate you the first thing they do is beat you up .
So you 're really on a short list when it comes to " civilized " contries , very short in fact .
Jersey and the other channel islands , too , have the benefit of first world police .
The Durrell is on Jersey too which alone makes it a cool place to live if you 're anything of a naturalist.I have a list of places as I 've been keeping track of this too.Yes : Uruguay , Cameroon , Kenya.Kenya only recently got added to this list it was a bit bouncy before but the other two have been cool and have less problems than most .
It 's been this way for a while and friends who go there fairly frequently say it 's still the place to to.Not : Costa rica/Belize .
Do n't buy into the lie .
Not cool any more.Of the places left there 's a couple that look ok if you 're careful but keep in mind you 're not in the first world any more .
Havnoig said that a dentist in Thailand in a very average looking strip-mall will look like a Beverly Hills dentist with all the latest gear operated by kind consummate professionals who charge $ 28 for a root canal not $ 1200 like in North America.Borneo is cool too .
One of the very few places where the different races reallu do live as one : Chinese , Indian and Utang .
( " utang " is Malaysian for " human " or " person " .
So , " forest person " in Malay is Oran Utang , " Utang " is what they call themselves ) And whats interesting about this is these are the three basic type of human phenotype and the only place on earth where they do actually seem to be able to live in peace .
Plus Borneo is 95 \ % unexplored for all you extreme sports enthusiasts.Madagascar would be worth putting up with.A lot of it 's attitude , too .
You 'd probably find Brits and Canadians that would be happier in each others contries and yanks and new zealanders in the same situation .
For my money they 're really all the same , little but more of this here little but less of that there but they 're fairly homogenius.Switzerland maybe too , but it 's expensive.Uruguay is my first choice .
And if you 're really into getting way from it all , look at downt</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been giving it some thought too mate.
I was born in Wales, grew up in suburban Toronto and lived, worked and married in LA for 10 years then moved to the rural countryside back in Canada.The federal government here in Canada still suffers the mental derangement Bush had, we haven't got our Obama yet and no signs of one on the horizon.
Bob Rae was as good as we had but people here are as dumb and blind as they were in the US towards Bush.Enough 1984-ish crap is happening here in Canada now that I'd consider leaving.
Almost every functional process you have to do that involves "the government" is 10X more complicated and 4X as expensive now that it's "all on the computer".Hello but I'm old school and think things should be better after you computerize something not OMG worse, Microsoft products notwithstanding.And I'd really like to live in a place where a quarter of the people aren't addicted to an opiate or crack and live in welfare.
God love 'em and all but these aren't the people I associate daily with and all things being equal if I can't live in some hi tech colony of clever and witty people then at least can I live somewhere where they aren't all drug addled criminals?
I lived in LA at a time when freebase/crack was invented and holy cow talk about the needle and the damage done down there at that time starting with Belushi.
And what powerful stimlants and opiates have done to north america and britain aye aye aye.
"House" is more a sad reflection on our society than humor.Here's the pros and cons:The cops.
Yeah, um, we're kinda spoiled by this, but those of us living in the UK, Canada, US, Germany and a few but not many more places, if we're taken by the police they'll be polite, you have rights, all in all it would pass muster on a "are cops following proper and ethical procedure" tv reality show.
But in Italy or Spain or Russia, if the cops want to interrogate you the first thing they do is beat you up.
So you're really on a short list when it comes to "civilized" contries, very short in fact.
Jersey and the other channel islands, too, have the benefit of first world police.
The Durrell is on Jersey too which alone makes it a cool place to live if you're anything of a naturalist.I have a list of places as I've been keeping track of this too.Yes: Uruguay, Cameroon, Kenya.Kenya only recently got added to this list it was a bit bouncy before but the other two have been cool and have less problems than most.
It's been this way for a while and friends who go there fairly frequently say it's still the place to to.Not: Costa rica/Belize.
Don't buy into the lie.
Not cool any more.Of the places left there's a couple that look ok if you're careful but keep in mind you're not in the first world any more.
Havnoig said that a dentist in Thailand in a very average looking strip-mall will look like a Beverly Hills dentist with all the latest gear operated by kind consummate professionals who charge $28 for a root canal not $1200 like in North America.Borneo is cool too.
One of the very few places where the different races reallu do live as one: Chinese, Indian and Utang.
("utang" is Malaysian for "human" or "person".
So, "forest person" in Malay is Oran Utang, "Utang" is what they call themselves)And whats interesting about this is these are the three basic type of human phenotype and the only place on earth where they do actually seem to be able to live in peace.
Plus Borneo is 95\% unexplored for all you extreme sports enthusiasts.Madagascar would be worth putting up with.A lot of it's attitude, too.
You'd probably find Brits and Canadians that would be happier in each others contries and yanks and new zealanders in the same situation.
For my money they're really all the same, little but more of this here little but less of that there but they're fairly homogenius.Switzerland maybe too, but it's expensive.Uruguay is my first choice.
And if you're really into getting way from it all, look at downt</sentencetext>
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	<title>Bobby Fischer's a good guide</title>
	<author>BountyX</author>
	<datestamp>1246037820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The famous american chess player was notoriously anti-american. He fled the US to several countries. You can trace his <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby\_Fisher#Life\_as\_an\_.C3.A9migr.C3.A9" title="wikipedia.org">life as an emigre</a> [wikipedia.org]. It serves as a good guide. The wikipedia <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption\_Perceptions\_Index" title="wikipedia.org">corruption index</a> [wikipedia.org] may be of use, although I cannot vouch for its accuracy. I favorite Turkey, Japan, Sweden, Austria, or Denmark. Good luck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The famous american chess player was notoriously anti-american .
He fled the US to several countries .
You can trace his life as an emigre [ wikipedia.org ] .
It serves as a good guide .
The wikipedia corruption index [ wikipedia.org ] may be of use , although I can not vouch for its accuracy .
I favorite Turkey , Japan , Sweden , Austria , or Denmark .
Good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The famous american chess player was notoriously anti-american.
He fled the US to several countries.
You can trace his life as an emigre [wikipedia.org].
It serves as a good guide.
The wikipedia corruption index [wikipedia.org] may be of use, although I cannot vouch for its accuracy.
I favorite Turkey, Japan, Sweden, Austria, or Denmark.
Good luck.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I'd recommend Australia or Canada...NOT the U.S</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246040520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(Sometimes I wish there were no conservatives,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>Funny, I wish for the exact same thing.</p></div>
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<tokenext>( Sometimes I wish there were no conservatives , ...Funny , I wish for the exact same thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Sometimes I wish there were no conservatives, ...Funny, I wish for the exact same thing.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28500437</id>
	<title>Re:come to Belgium</title>
	<author>Krunch</author>
	<datestamp>1246119240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am Belgian and I lived there for over 20 years (mostly as a kid and student but I worked there for a few months too). I have been living in the UK for over a year now.</p><p>&gt; i man was fined lately for eating something<br>&gt; while he waiting on a red light in his car</p><p>I would be curious to see that. Any reference? My best guess is that he was fined because he wasn't really in control of his car (red light or not).</p><p>&gt; Also , English is a third language here.</p><p>Since when? Official languages in Belgium are French, Dutch and German (all "localized" to varying extend compared to the original version). Most things available in the three languages are also available in English for foreigners' convenience but English is not an official language (yet?) AFAIK. However, most Belgian kids are taught English as a second language in school (at the loss of the two other national languages that are not their native one).</p><p>While I stopped bothering with politics long ago, I have the feeling Belgium is still relatively free only because all politics just keep fighting without ever reaching a proper consensus to be able to make things moving (in good or bad).</p><p>Some things that are different from the UK in my experience (some are good, some are bad):<br>- people smoke in bars;<br>- you can find bars open until the wee hours of the morning, no need to go clubbing or whatever;<br>- taxes are higher;<br>- public transportation is much cheaper;<br>- accommodations (and general cost of life) is much cheaper;<br>- salary is a bit lower;<br>- proper food and beer (less of a junk food culture);<br>- girls generally dress and act less slutty (and are less fat, see above);<br>- there aren't five CCTV camera pointed at you constantly;<br>- written press is generally less sensationalist (even if you just compare tabloids).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am Belgian and I lived there for over 20 years ( mostly as a kid and student but I worked there for a few months too ) .
I have been living in the UK for over a year now. &gt; i man was fined lately for eating something &gt; while he waiting on a red light in his carI would be curious to see that .
Any reference ?
My best guess is that he was fined because he was n't really in control of his car ( red light or not ) . &gt; Also , English is a third language here.Since when ?
Official languages in Belgium are French , Dutch and German ( all " localized " to varying extend compared to the original version ) .
Most things available in the three languages are also available in English for foreigners ' convenience but English is not an official language ( yet ?
) AFAIK .
However , most Belgian kids are taught English as a second language in school ( at the loss of the two other national languages that are not their native one ) .While I stopped bothering with politics long ago , I have the feeling Belgium is still relatively free only because all politics just keep fighting without ever reaching a proper consensus to be able to make things moving ( in good or bad ) .Some things that are different from the UK in my experience ( some are good , some are bad ) : - people smoke in bars ; - you can find bars open until the wee hours of the morning , no need to go clubbing or whatever ; - taxes are higher ; - public transportation is much cheaper ; - accommodations ( and general cost of life ) is much cheaper ; - salary is a bit lower ; - proper food and beer ( less of a junk food culture ) ; - girls generally dress and act less slutty ( and are less fat , see above ) ; - there are n't five CCTV camera pointed at you constantly ; - written press is generally less sensationalist ( even if you just compare tabloids ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am Belgian and I lived there for over 20 years (mostly as a kid and student but I worked there for a few months too).
I have been living in the UK for over a year now.&gt; i man was fined lately for eating something&gt; while he waiting on a red light in his carI would be curious to see that.
Any reference?
My best guess is that he was fined because he wasn't really in control of his car (red light or not).&gt; Also , English is a third language here.Since when?
Official languages in Belgium are French, Dutch and German (all "localized" to varying extend compared to the original version).
Most things available in the three languages are also available in English for foreigners' convenience but English is not an official language (yet?
) AFAIK.
However, most Belgian kids are taught English as a second language in school (at the loss of the two other national languages that are not their native one).While I stopped bothering with politics long ago, I have the feeling Belgium is still relatively free only because all politics just keep fighting without ever reaching a proper consensus to be able to make things moving (in good or bad).Some things that are different from the UK in my experience (some are good, some are bad):- people smoke in bars;- you can find bars open until the wee hours of the morning, no need to go clubbing or whatever;- taxes are higher;- public transportation is much cheaper;- accommodations (and general cost of life) is much cheaper;- salary is a bit lower;- proper food and beer (less of a junk food culture);- girls generally dress and act less slutty (and are less fat, see above);- there aren't five CCTV camera pointed at you constantly;- written press is generally less sensationalist (even if you just compare tabloids).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491669</id>
	<title>Re:List of Countries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246038960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not stay in your own country and fight for those rights? Run as an independent for government. Organize resistance to the plans.</p><p>How about Australia or Canada?</p><p>I'm in Australia at the moment, broadband prices arn't amazing, and they're trying to implement a useless filter, but generally speaking the police are nice and we're universally known for hating our politicians (more then most countries).</p><p>Even if the government wanted to implement some scheme to restrict freedoms, it would mean they would have to actually go about doing some governmental work. That's something that rarely happens here. For example our *entire* government, including some state governments, spent the last two weeks trying to work out who made up some email about some car dealer.</p><p>We're also notoriously fickle when it comes to freedoms and politics. The public doesn't vote along party lines so much as they do for a lesser wanker (idiot).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not stay in your own country and fight for those rights ?
Run as an independent for government .
Organize resistance to the plans.How about Australia or Canada ? I 'm in Australia at the moment , broadband prices ar n't amazing , and they 're trying to implement a useless filter , but generally speaking the police are nice and we 're universally known for hating our politicians ( more then most countries ) .Even if the government wanted to implement some scheme to restrict freedoms , it would mean they would have to actually go about doing some governmental work .
That 's something that rarely happens here .
For example our * entire * government , including some state governments , spent the last two weeks trying to work out who made up some email about some car dealer.We 're also notoriously fickle when it comes to freedoms and politics .
The public does n't vote along party lines so much as they do for a lesser wanker ( idiot ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not stay in your own country and fight for those rights?
Run as an independent for government.
Organize resistance to the plans.How about Australia or Canada?I'm in Australia at the moment, broadband prices arn't amazing, and they're trying to implement a useless filter, but generally speaking the police are nice and we're universally known for hating our politicians (more then most countries).Even if the government wanted to implement some scheme to restrict freedoms, it would mean they would have to actually go about doing some governmental work.
That's something that rarely happens here.
For example our *entire* government, including some state governments, spent the last two weeks trying to work out who made up some email about some car dealer.We're also notoriously fickle when it comes to freedoms and politics.
The public doesn't vote along party lines so much as they do for a lesser wanker (idiot).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494475</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246115340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I typically do not jump into these debates, but I the irony and hypocrisy is getting overwhelming. Countries like the US and the UK may treat *their* citizens much better than those of Iran/Syria etc, but that is meaningless in the face of what these countries do to others. As an American citizen I am thankful that I am not on the receiving end of, for instance, weapons of mass destruction used against an unarguably civilian target (Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and many more if we had more nukes available at the time, see Wiki), the mass bombing/napalming of Vietnam, the "Imposed War" where we and the Gulf countries funded Saddam's invasion and use of chemical weapons against the Iranian civilian population, the first Gulf war were we carpet bombed Baghdad continuously (what does that have to do with liberating Kuwait?), and finally the invasion of Iraq...how many civilians have died in that aggressive war (which had nothing to do with ousting Saddam, a single bullet could do that). In summary, I do not judge the actions of my country against it citizens as the true indicator, it is against other civilians in the world that is the real test. According to that metric, the US and UK (probably moreso) are the two most oppressive regimes on Earth, democratic or not.</p><p>I do encourage the poster to stay and try and become more active is human rights work. I do not know if that will make a difference in the UK, but as a citizen I believe it is your duty to do so. Although if you do decide to cut and run, Montreal is the place to be<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I typically do not jump into these debates , but I the irony and hypocrisy is getting overwhelming .
Countries like the US and the UK may treat * their * citizens much better than those of Iran/Syria etc , but that is meaningless in the face of what these countries do to others .
As an American citizen I am thankful that I am not on the receiving end of , for instance , weapons of mass destruction used against an unarguably civilian target ( Hiroshima and Nagasaki , and many more if we had more nukes available at the time , see Wiki ) , the mass bombing/napalming of Vietnam , the " Imposed War " where we and the Gulf countries funded Saddam 's invasion and use of chemical weapons against the Iranian civilian population , the first Gulf war were we carpet bombed Baghdad continuously ( what does that have to do with liberating Kuwait ?
) , and finally the invasion of Iraq...how many civilians have died in that aggressive war ( which had nothing to do with ousting Saddam , a single bullet could do that ) .
In summary , I do not judge the actions of my country against it citizens as the true indicator , it is against other civilians in the world that is the real test .
According to that metric , the US and UK ( probably moreso ) are the two most oppressive regimes on Earth , democratic or not.I do encourage the poster to stay and try and become more active is human rights work .
I do not know if that will make a difference in the UK , but as a citizen I believe it is your duty to do so .
Although if you do decide to cut and run , Montreal is the place to be ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I typically do not jump into these debates, but I the irony and hypocrisy is getting overwhelming.
Countries like the US and the UK may treat *their* citizens much better than those of Iran/Syria etc, but that is meaningless in the face of what these countries do to others.
As an American citizen I am thankful that I am not on the receiving end of, for instance, weapons of mass destruction used against an unarguably civilian target (Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and many more if we had more nukes available at the time, see Wiki), the mass bombing/napalming of Vietnam, the "Imposed War" where we and the Gulf countries funded Saddam's invasion and use of chemical weapons against the Iranian civilian population, the first Gulf war were we carpet bombed Baghdad continuously (what does that have to do with liberating Kuwait?
), and finally the invasion of Iraq...how many civilians have died in that aggressive war (which had nothing to do with ousting Saddam, a single bullet could do that).
In summary, I do not judge the actions of my country against it citizens as the true indicator, it is against other civilians in the world that is the real test.
According to that metric, the US and UK (probably moreso) are the two most oppressive regimes on Earth, democratic or not.I do encourage the poster to stay and try and become more active is human rights work.
I do not know if that will make a difference in the UK, but as a citizen I believe it is your duty to do so.
Although if you do decide to cut and run, Montreal is the place to be ;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492009</id>
	<title>An unfortunate choice of words....</title>
	<author>Roger W Moore</author>
	<datestamp>1246041780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>.....beautiful women on every corner and lots of entertainment... Most of all, you won't find a city offering that much for that cheap!</p></div><p>
I don't think that quite conjures up the picture of Montreal that you had in mind.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.....beautiful women on every corner and lots of entertainment... Most of all , you wo n't find a city offering that much for that cheap !
I do n't think that quite conjures up the picture of Montreal that you had in mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> .....beautiful women on every corner and lots of entertainment... Most of all, you won't find a city offering that much for that cheap!
I don't think that quite conjures up the picture of Montreal that you had in mind.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494425</id>
	<title>Re:My Guess</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1246114860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'd say the US comes closest to real freedom.</i></p><p>I'm honestly trying to understand, here.  How is it that there is a single American left in existent, who still believes this?</p><p>Seriously, Americans; what will have to happen for you to finally stop drinking the ideological Kool-Aid which your education system pours down your throats?  Will a future government literally have to start shooting you in the streets before you grow out of the fairy tales that you were raised with?</p><p>If the mythology about American freedom was <i>ever</i> true, it certainly isn't after the second Bush government.  You've proven that your government is no better than any other tyranny on the face of the planet, morally speaking.  The only real difference is that they're slightly less blatant, and more careful about making sure they don't get caught.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say the US comes closest to real freedom.I 'm honestly trying to understand , here .
How is it that there is a single American left in existent , who still believes this ? Seriously , Americans ; what will have to happen for you to finally stop drinking the ideological Kool-Aid which your education system pours down your throats ?
Will a future government literally have to start shooting you in the streets before you grow out of the fairy tales that you were raised with ? If the mythology about American freedom was ever true , it certainly is n't after the second Bush government .
You 've proven that your government is no better than any other tyranny on the face of the planet , morally speaking .
The only real difference is that they 're slightly less blatant , and more careful about making sure they do n't get caught .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say the US comes closest to real freedom.I'm honestly trying to understand, here.
How is it that there is a single American left in existent, who still believes this?Seriously, Americans; what will have to happen for you to finally stop drinking the ideological Kool-Aid which your education system pours down your throats?
Will a future government literally have to start shooting you in the streets before you grow out of the fairy tales that you were raised with?If the mythology about American freedom was ever true, it certainly isn't after the second Bush government.
You've proven that your government is no better than any other tyranny on the face of the planet, morally speaking.
The only real difference is that they're slightly less blatant, and more careful about making sure they don't get caught.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491783</id>
	<title>Two suggetions</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1246039920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><ol>
<li>Antarctica - buying food may be a problem</li><li>The Moon - I hear Hadley Rille is nice this time of year</li></ol><p>
Everywhere else the Government either owns you, or wants to own you. The UK is actually pretty free by world standards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Antarctica - buying food may be a problemThe Moon - I hear Hadley Rille is nice this time of year Everywhere else the Government either owns you , or wants to own you .
The UK is actually pretty free by world standards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Antarctica - buying food may be a problemThe Moon - I hear Hadley Rille is nice this time of year
Everywhere else the Government either owns you, or wants to own you.
The UK is actually pretty free by world standards.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491393</id>
	<title>Science Fiction author</title>
	<author>mrmeval</author>
	<datestamp>1246037220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dave Freer is having to get out of Africa. It's getting very bad there. It is a beautiful land and based on his and several other peoples comments it's like having to leave paradise so he has not been quick to leave.</p><p>Some of his books are in the Baen free library<br><a href="http://www.webscription.net/s-45-dave-freer.aspx?CategoryFilterID=1&amp;ManufacturerFilterID=0&amp;" title="webscription.net">http://www.webscription.net/s-45-dave-freer.aspx?CategoryFilterID=1&amp;ManufacturerFilterID=0&amp;</a> [webscription.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dave Freer is having to get out of Africa .
It 's getting very bad there .
It is a beautiful land and based on his and several other peoples comments it 's like having to leave paradise so he has not been quick to leave.Some of his books are in the Baen free libraryhttp : //www.webscription.net/s-45-dave-freer.aspx ? CategoryFilterID = 1&amp;ManufacturerFilterID = 0&amp; [ webscription.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dave Freer is having to get out of Africa.
It's getting very bad there.
It is a beautiful land and based on his and several other peoples comments it's like having to leave paradise so he has not been quick to leave.Some of his books are in the Baen free libraryhttp://www.webscription.net/s-45-dave-freer.aspx?CategoryFilterID=1&amp;ManufacturerFilterID=0&amp; [webscription.net]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491601</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246038420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once the lumpen citizen loses his home, car, and wide screen TV to the depression that is getting rolling here in the US, he will start to pay attention. Things will change pretty quickly once that happens.  The web is getting the truth out there.  I am betting that the government that caused this mess will be the first thing to be put in it's place.   I'm not sure if the people will take over the government, there will be a revolution, or the country will fragment, but it will be interesting.  It will also be much freer once the statists go down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once the lumpen citizen loses his home , car , and wide screen TV to the depression that is getting rolling here in the US , he will start to pay attention .
Things will change pretty quickly once that happens .
The web is getting the truth out there .
I am betting that the government that caused this mess will be the first thing to be put in it 's place .
I 'm not sure if the people will take over the government , there will be a revolution , or the country will fragment , but it will be interesting .
It will also be much freer once the statists go down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once the lumpen citizen loses his home, car, and wide screen TV to the depression that is getting rolling here in the US, he will start to pay attention.
Things will change pretty quickly once that happens.
The web is getting the truth out there.
I am betting that the government that caused this mess will be the first thing to be put in it's place.
I'm not sure if the people will take over the government, there will be a revolution, or the country will fragment, but it will be interesting.
It will also be much freer once the statists go down.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493195</id>
	<title>belgium</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246098600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd say Belgium.</p><p>The country has some disadvantages ( one of the highest tax rates in the world), but as far as privacy &amp; freedom go, it's probably a very interesting country.<br>Also, in the north part of the country, which is 60\%, just about anybody speaks fluently english.<br>Added to that is the fact that the EC is there, which provides many jobs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say Belgium.The country has some disadvantages ( one of the highest tax rates in the world ) , but as far as privacy &amp; freedom go , it 's probably a very interesting country.Also , in the north part of the country , which is 60 \ % , just about anybody speaks fluently english.Added to that is the fact that the EC is there , which provides many jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say Belgium.The country has some disadvantages ( one of the highest tax rates in the world), but as far as privacy &amp; freedom go, it's probably a very interesting country.Also, in the north part of the country, which is 60\%, just about anybody speaks fluently english.Added to that is the fact that the EC is there, which provides many jobs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496579</id>
	<title>Emanem - not logged in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246133220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mate I just moved (with my GF) to UK. Everything is reltive...guess where I'm coming from...It's a european country, with nice people, nice food, nice fashion, but still a freaking PM that goes with prostitutes... UK seems to be the most free country of the world and actually the fact you don't have a compulsory ID card is shocking to me... Good luck!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mate I just moved ( with my GF ) to UK .
Everything is reltive...guess where I 'm coming from...It 's a european country , with nice people , nice food , nice fashion , but still a freaking PM that goes with prostitutes... UK seems to be the most free country of the world and actually the fact you do n't have a compulsory ID card is shocking to me... Good luck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mate I just moved (with my GF) to UK.
Everything is reltive...guess where I'm coming from...It's a european country, with nice people, nice food, nice fashion, but still a freaking PM that goes with prostitutes... UK seems to be the most free country of the world and actually the fact you don't have a compulsory ID card is shocking to me... Good luck!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28555279</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of choices in Europe</title>
	<author>HiramvdG</author>
	<datestamp>1246529520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Netherlands are not at all a freedom-loving country anymore. I live there, I carry a Dutch passport. This used to be a liberal country, where some things were legal that were outlawed elsewhere -- a lot of that has already changed, and soon smoking weed and squatting will be outlawed here, too. We have a very nasty extreme-right party growing in the polls, that wants to kick all muslims out. Asylum seekers are treated very badly by the state. Some die in custody. And the Dutch government is introducing one law after another that dismantles what little privacy we still enjoy in an overcrowded country. For the first time since the German occupation, people all have to carry ID now. There will be fingerprints in the new passports, from september. CCTV cameras proliferate. Parents have to answer the wildest questions about themselves and their children (like: Does you daughter have pubic hair already? How much What colour? -- I am NOT making this up). In fact, the loss of privacy and freedom is reason for my wife and me to seriously consider leaving the Netherlands. And go<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... where?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Netherlands are not at all a freedom-loving country anymore .
I live there , I carry a Dutch passport .
This used to be a liberal country , where some things were legal that were outlawed elsewhere -- a lot of that has already changed , and soon smoking weed and squatting will be outlawed here , too .
We have a very nasty extreme-right party growing in the polls , that wants to kick all muslims out .
Asylum seekers are treated very badly by the state .
Some die in custody .
And the Dutch government is introducing one law after another that dismantles what little privacy we still enjoy in an overcrowded country .
For the first time since the German occupation , people all have to carry ID now .
There will be fingerprints in the new passports , from september .
CCTV cameras proliferate .
Parents have to answer the wildest questions about themselves and their children ( like : Does you daughter have pubic hair already ?
How much What colour ?
-- I am NOT making this up ) .
In fact , the loss of privacy and freedom is reason for my wife and me to seriously consider leaving the Netherlands .
And go ... where ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Netherlands are not at all a freedom-loving country anymore.
I live there, I carry a Dutch passport.
This used to be a liberal country, where some things were legal that were outlawed elsewhere -- a lot of that has already changed, and soon smoking weed and squatting will be outlawed here, too.
We have a very nasty extreme-right party growing in the polls, that wants to kick all muslims out.
Asylum seekers are treated very badly by the state.
Some die in custody.
And the Dutch government is introducing one law after another that dismantles what little privacy we still enjoy in an overcrowded country.
For the first time since the German occupation, people all have to carry ID now.
There will be fingerprints in the new passports, from september.
CCTV cameras proliferate.
Parents have to answer the wildest questions about themselves and their children (like: Does you daughter have pubic hair already?
How much What colour?
-- I am NOT making this up).
In fact, the loss of privacy and freedom is reason for my wife and me to seriously consider leaving the Netherlands.
And go ... where?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28506215</id>
	<title>The US is great, but...</title>
	<author>ermoody</author>
	<datestamp>1246220520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Don't listen to the left wing socialist crap, or to the right wing nonsense or to the suicidal progressive idiocy coming from both sides. We are witnessing the decline of the US as a world power as our government implements an increasingly progressive agenda and that means less freedom all around. If you want to truly understand where the US is headed, you must understand the history of progressivism in the US, beginning in the 1820's, advanced in the 1930's, and fully codified beginning in 2009.

<p>Here's the truth:

</p><p>The US is a country where campus newspapers are thrown into the trash en mass when they contain content that is objectionable (subjectively defined, usually by the left). So much for freedom of the press.

</p><p>The US is a country wherein a person expressing an opinion supported by the majority of a state is vilified in the press and media by those who disagree with that expressed opinion. I won't even begin to describe the hypocrisy of the loudest of the critics of that opinion. So much for freedom of expression.

</p><p>The US constitution is being shredded as we speak. The view of progressives is that the constitution is a "breathing" document. Isn't that a nice euphemism? Breathing! Breathing is good! Anyway, things like our constitution's checks and balances are being usurped with unappointed czars, increasing power of the unelected fed, and a very activist unelected judiciary where compassion and empathy trump written law. Eminent domain laws are now used for the public interest rather than the public good, "interest" being the operative word here. "Good" meant a road or a school. "Interest" means tax revenue.

</p><p>Some refer to the 2nd amendment being used to keep the government under control. The idea that the 2nd amendment would be used to unseat a tyrant is ridiculous. If a "tyrant" were "seated" it would have been through the democratic process. Can you imagine what would happen if we were to use guns to unseat that tyrant? It would make Iran look like a water balloon fight. Talk about a crackdown...

</p><p>It's funny how we all have different ideas about liberty. Some would say we sacrificed liberty for security. Personally, I never felt constrained by the Bush era security measures but that's just me. Maybe others really did have their liberty constrained. I'd like to hear some stories about that. The most likely argument will be about airport security, which is actually less invasive than the physical patdown I get walking into a House of Blues concert.

</p><p>I'm not sure how having someone else tell me that I shouldn't drive a gas guzzling road hog, or that I shouldn't be able to pay for my own health care (without insurance), or that I have to move because the town can make more tax money by kicking me out to make room for condos developed by a private firm adds to my liberty. </p><p>How does an incarcerated innocent man being denied a DNA test equate to liberty? </p><p>How does removing the privacy of union votes square with the concept of liberty? </p><p>How the hell does a census bureau that forces me to answer unbelievably personal and increasingly invasive questions under the guise of a census supplement add to my liberty???

</p><p>How does any of that equate to the notion of "leave me alone"? </p><p>I would argue that the biggest part of freedom is the freedom to fail, and I'm not just talking about money. If you want to be truly free, then you must reap the rewards and suffer the consequences of your decisions. The US is quickly becoming a nation that rewards failure and punishes success (unless it's the correct form of success).

</p><p>No, the US is not the place to come if you truly value freedom and liberty. Not any more. If you leave the UK, you will no longer be a subject to the crown but you will not become a citizen of the US. You will become a US taxpayer. We are no longer referred to as citizens by our government. How's that for a cynical ruling class?

</p><p>Look, I love this country but I abhor what it's becoming. Like you, I have been looking for somepla</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't listen to the left wing socialist crap , or to the right wing nonsense or to the suicidal progressive idiocy coming from both sides .
We are witnessing the decline of the US as a world power as our government implements an increasingly progressive agenda and that means less freedom all around .
If you want to truly understand where the US is headed , you must understand the history of progressivism in the US , beginning in the 1820 's , advanced in the 1930 's , and fully codified beginning in 2009 .
Here 's the truth : The US is a country where campus newspapers are thrown into the trash en mass when they contain content that is objectionable ( subjectively defined , usually by the left ) .
So much for freedom of the press .
The US is a country wherein a person expressing an opinion supported by the majority of a state is vilified in the press and media by those who disagree with that expressed opinion .
I wo n't even begin to describe the hypocrisy of the loudest of the critics of that opinion .
So much for freedom of expression .
The US constitution is being shredded as we speak .
The view of progressives is that the constitution is a " breathing " document .
Is n't that a nice euphemism ?
Breathing ! Breathing is good !
Anyway , things like our constitution 's checks and balances are being usurped with unappointed czars , increasing power of the unelected fed , and a very activist unelected judiciary where compassion and empathy trump written law .
Eminent domain laws are now used for the public interest rather than the public good , " interest " being the operative word here .
" Good " meant a road or a school .
" Interest " means tax revenue .
Some refer to the 2nd amendment being used to keep the government under control .
The idea that the 2nd amendment would be used to unseat a tyrant is ridiculous .
If a " tyrant " were " seated " it would have been through the democratic process .
Can you imagine what would happen if we were to use guns to unseat that tyrant ?
It would make Iran look like a water balloon fight .
Talk about a crackdown.. . It 's funny how we all have different ideas about liberty .
Some would say we sacrificed liberty for security .
Personally , I never felt constrained by the Bush era security measures but that 's just me .
Maybe others really did have their liberty constrained .
I 'd like to hear some stories about that .
The most likely argument will be about airport security , which is actually less invasive than the physical patdown I get walking into a House of Blues concert .
I 'm not sure how having someone else tell me that I should n't drive a gas guzzling road hog , or that I should n't be able to pay for my own health care ( without insurance ) , or that I have to move because the town can make more tax money by kicking me out to make room for condos developed by a private firm adds to my liberty .
How does an incarcerated innocent man being denied a DNA test equate to liberty ?
How does removing the privacy of union votes square with the concept of liberty ?
How the hell does a census bureau that forces me to answer unbelievably personal and increasingly invasive questions under the guise of a census supplement add to my liberty ? ? ?
How does any of that equate to the notion of " leave me alone " ?
I would argue that the biggest part of freedom is the freedom to fail , and I 'm not just talking about money .
If you want to be truly free , then you must reap the rewards and suffer the consequences of your decisions .
The US is quickly becoming a nation that rewards failure and punishes success ( unless it 's the correct form of success ) .
No , the US is not the place to come if you truly value freedom and liberty .
Not any more .
If you leave the UK , you will no longer be a subject to the crown but you will not become a citizen of the US .
You will become a US taxpayer .
We are no longer referred to as citizens by our government .
How 's that for a cynical ruling class ?
Look , I love this country but I abhor what it 's becoming .
Like you , I have been looking for somepla</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't listen to the left wing socialist crap, or to the right wing nonsense or to the suicidal progressive idiocy coming from both sides.
We are witnessing the decline of the US as a world power as our government implements an increasingly progressive agenda and that means less freedom all around.
If you want to truly understand where the US is headed, you must understand the history of progressivism in the US, beginning in the 1820's, advanced in the 1930's, and fully codified beginning in 2009.
Here's the truth:

The US is a country where campus newspapers are thrown into the trash en mass when they contain content that is objectionable (subjectively defined, usually by the left).
So much for freedom of the press.
The US is a country wherein a person expressing an opinion supported by the majority of a state is vilified in the press and media by those who disagree with that expressed opinion.
I won't even begin to describe the hypocrisy of the loudest of the critics of that opinion.
So much for freedom of expression.
The US constitution is being shredded as we speak.
The view of progressives is that the constitution is a "breathing" document.
Isn't that a nice euphemism?
Breathing! Breathing is good!
Anyway, things like our constitution's checks and balances are being usurped with unappointed czars, increasing power of the unelected fed, and a very activist unelected judiciary where compassion and empathy trump written law.
Eminent domain laws are now used for the public interest rather than the public good, "interest" being the operative word here.
"Good" meant a road or a school.
"Interest" means tax revenue.
Some refer to the 2nd amendment being used to keep the government under control.
The idea that the 2nd amendment would be used to unseat a tyrant is ridiculous.
If a "tyrant" were "seated" it would have been through the democratic process.
Can you imagine what would happen if we were to use guns to unseat that tyrant?
It would make Iran look like a water balloon fight.
Talk about a crackdown...

It's funny how we all have different ideas about liberty.
Some would say we sacrificed liberty for security.
Personally, I never felt constrained by the Bush era security measures but that's just me.
Maybe others really did have their liberty constrained.
I'd like to hear some stories about that.
The most likely argument will be about airport security, which is actually less invasive than the physical patdown I get walking into a House of Blues concert.
I'm not sure how having someone else tell me that I shouldn't drive a gas guzzling road hog, or that I shouldn't be able to pay for my own health care (without insurance), or that I have to move because the town can make more tax money by kicking me out to make room for condos developed by a private firm adds to my liberty.
How does an incarcerated innocent man being denied a DNA test equate to liberty?
How does removing the privacy of union votes square with the concept of liberty?
How the hell does a census bureau that forces me to answer unbelievably personal and increasingly invasive questions under the guise of a census supplement add to my liberty???
How does any of that equate to the notion of "leave me alone"?
I would argue that the biggest part of freedom is the freedom to fail, and I'm not just talking about money.
If you want to be truly free, then you must reap the rewards and suffer the consequences of your decisions.
The US is quickly becoming a nation that rewards failure and punishes success (unless it's the correct form of success).
No, the US is not the place to come if you truly value freedom and liberty.
Not any more.
If you leave the UK, you will no longer be a subject to the crown but you will not become a citizen of the US.
You will become a US taxpayer.
We are no longer referred to as citizens by our government.
How's that for a cynical ruling class?
Look, I love this country but I abhor what it's becoming.
Like you, I have been looking for somepla</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28510007</id>
	<title>Re:Anarchy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246211940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Used to be pretty clearly Estonia. Then it joined the EU and Mr Putin took charge in Russia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Used to be pretty clearly Estonia .
Then it joined the EU and Mr Putin took charge in Russia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Used to be pretty clearly Estonia.
Then it joined the EU and Mr Putin took charge in Russia.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491963</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246041180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where do I get what you're smoking?</p><p>There are a small group of elites in this country, many descendants of the elites from the OP's country.  They run the show, and have no intention of allowing any of the peons to be "peers of the king"</p><p>Adams wanted most of the power in the Senate "house of lords", little in the House "house of commons", and the President to be little more than a clerical position.  This was part of the democracy, only in name, to appease the masses who were looking at the amazing ideas coming out of France.  But, only lip-service was payed to power for the people.</p><p>The executive ended up with more power, but the Electoral College allowed the elites to prevent the masses from electing the wrong president.  You little kings have your vote-- then we'll decide what is best.</p><p>More recently, Reagan, (war criminal to the informed, great president to the stupid and ignorant masses), stated that, "Educating the Proletariat would be dynamite [explosive, damaging]."   -- yeah, he really said that.   Apparently Reagan would be pleased in reading your comment.</p><p>Turn off the T.V. (and AM radio) folks, and read.  There really is no excuse for how stupid Americans are.  Yeah, I live in the US, and like the OP in the U.K., I want to get the hell out of my country too.</p><p>To the OP: there are very few places (none?) to go that are not run by the same global cabal of Corporations and old money.  Mussolini's Fascism is taking over the entire planet.  The few bright spots like those associated with the Bolevarian movements, will be cut down when the cabal decides it's time (they already tried once in Venezuela).</p><p>Homework for Americans:<br>Which of the following were \_democracies\_ when overthrown by the U.S., and which were \_bloody dictatorships\_ propped up by the US after?  Which were due to wanting control of the nations resources?<br>Iran, Guatemala, Chile<br>(Answer: all of them.   Easy exercise for reader to find at least 10 more countries overthrown by the US in pursuit of stealing their natural resources for the benefit of the ruling cabal)</p><p>Which country used its Air Force Bombers to put down a union movement by mine workers?  You guessed it.  The f'ing US.</p><p>Which country called out its military against students in its universities, twice (murdering students on both occasions)?  The f'ing US.</p><p>So, if you are a peer to kings and in control of all these decisions, pardon me but you are pretty f'ed up, Planesdragon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where do I get what you 're smoking ? There are a small group of elites in this country , many descendants of the elites from the OP 's country .
They run the show , and have no intention of allowing any of the peons to be " peers of the king " Adams wanted most of the power in the Senate " house of lords " , little in the House " house of commons " , and the President to be little more than a clerical position .
This was part of the democracy , only in name , to appease the masses who were looking at the amazing ideas coming out of France .
But , only lip-service was payed to power for the people.The executive ended up with more power , but the Electoral College allowed the elites to prevent the masses from electing the wrong president .
You little kings have your vote-- then we 'll decide what is best.More recently , Reagan , ( war criminal to the informed , great president to the stupid and ignorant masses ) , stated that , " Educating the Proletariat would be dynamite [ explosive , damaging ] .
" -- yeah , he really said that .
Apparently Reagan would be pleased in reading your comment.Turn off the T.V .
( and AM radio ) folks , and read .
There really is no excuse for how stupid Americans are .
Yeah , I live in the US , and like the OP in the U.K. , I want to get the hell out of my country too.To the OP : there are very few places ( none ?
) to go that are not run by the same global cabal of Corporations and old money .
Mussolini 's Fascism is taking over the entire planet .
The few bright spots like those associated with the Bolevarian movements , will be cut down when the cabal decides it 's time ( they already tried once in Venezuela ) .Homework for Americans : Which of the following were \ _democracies \ _ when overthrown by the U.S. , and which were \ _bloody dictatorships \ _ propped up by the US after ?
Which were due to wanting control of the nations resources ? Iran , Guatemala , Chile ( Answer : all of them .
Easy exercise for reader to find at least 10 more countries overthrown by the US in pursuit of stealing their natural resources for the benefit of the ruling cabal ) Which country used its Air Force Bombers to put down a union movement by mine workers ?
You guessed it .
The f'ing US.Which country called out its military against students in its universities , twice ( murdering students on both occasions ) ?
The f'ing US.So , if you are a peer to kings and in control of all these decisions , pardon me but you are pretty f'ed up , Planesdragon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where do I get what you're smoking?There are a small group of elites in this country, many descendants of the elites from the OP's country.
They run the show, and have no intention of allowing any of the peons to be "peers of the king"Adams wanted most of the power in the Senate "house of lords", little in the House "house of commons", and the President to be little more than a clerical position.
This was part of the democracy, only in name, to appease the masses who were looking at the amazing ideas coming out of France.
But, only lip-service was payed to power for the people.The executive ended up with more power, but the Electoral College allowed the elites to prevent the masses from electing the wrong president.
You little kings have your vote-- then we'll decide what is best.More recently, Reagan, (war criminal to the informed, great president to the stupid and ignorant masses), stated that, "Educating the Proletariat would be dynamite [explosive, damaging].
"   -- yeah, he really said that.
Apparently Reagan would be pleased in reading your comment.Turn off the T.V.
(and AM radio) folks, and read.
There really is no excuse for how stupid Americans are.
Yeah, I live in the US, and like the OP in the U.K., I want to get the hell out of my country too.To the OP: there are very few places (none?
) to go that are not run by the same global cabal of Corporations and old money.
Mussolini's Fascism is taking over the entire planet.
The few bright spots like those associated with the Bolevarian movements, will be cut down when the cabal decides it's time (they already tried once in Venezuela).Homework for Americans:Which of the following were \_democracies\_ when overthrown by the U.S., and which were \_bloody dictatorships\_ propped up by the US after?
Which were due to wanting control of the nations resources?Iran, Guatemala, Chile(Answer: all of them.
Easy exercise for reader to find at least 10 more countries overthrown by the US in pursuit of stealing their natural resources for the benefit of the ruling cabal)Which country used its Air Force Bombers to put down a union movement by mine workers?
You guessed it.
The f'ing US.Which country called out its military against students in its universities, twice (murdering students on both occasions)?
The f'ing US.So, if you are a peer to kings and in control of all these decisions, pardon me but you are pretty f'ed up, Planesdragon.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491883</id>
	<title>Not Australia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246040640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're going to be using their Internet firewall to ban video games not suitable for 15 year olds even though, allegedly, some people in Australia are over 15 years old.  http://bit.ly/ausvg</p><p>Pretty soon they'll be saving the world from cartoon characters too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're going to be using their Internet firewall to ban video games not suitable for 15 year olds even though , allegedly , some people in Australia are over 15 years old .
http : //bit.ly/ausvgPretty soon they 'll be saving the world from cartoon characters too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're going to be using their Internet firewall to ban video games not suitable for 15 year olds even though, allegedly, some people in Australia are over 15 years old.
http://bit.ly/ausvgPretty soon they'll be saving the world from cartoon characters too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28508579</id>
	<title>DO NOT Recommend United States Of America!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246197720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DO NOT Recommend United States Of America!</p><p>The FORMERLY FREE u s of a is vastly becomming a europeon socialist, facisist, progressive, kingdom with b. o. and the dems!!!!</p><p>Our tax rate will soon exceed that of the U.K. - we were lower than they were.</p><p>Our freedoms are being taken away from weekly by b. o. and the dems.</p><p>The frustrating thing is the idiot, moron democrats that voted these people in dont seem to mind the loss of the Freedom, Liberty and Pursuit Of Happiness that was granted by our Founding Fathers and maintained by all those United States military people who have died throughout the years!</p><p>Impeach obama!!!!  Impeach ALL democrats!!!!</p><p>Remove the czars!!!   Remove the cabinet members - they are corrupt!!!</p><p>Remove the ploitical appointees and Hillary Clinton - they are corrupt!!!!</p><p>Remove the illegal aliens!!!!!  They are criminals!!!!</p><p>NO government run health plan!!!!!!</p><p>NO government climate change bill - it i sfull of corrupt spending and taxation that line the pockets of the democrats and the companies they have invested in - that go them elected!!!!</p><p>LESS GOVERNMENT IN OUR LIVES AND BUSINESS!!!!</p><p>NO NEW TAXES!!!!!</p><p>NO INCREASE IN TAXES!!!!!</p><p>NO JUDGE SOTOMAYER - SHE IS BIASED AND CORRUPT!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DO NOT Recommend United States Of America ! The FORMERLY FREE u s of a is vastly becomming a europeon socialist , facisist , progressive , kingdom with b. o. and the dems ! ! !
! Our tax rate will soon exceed that of the U.K. - we were lower than they were.Our freedoms are being taken away from weekly by b. o. and the dems.The frustrating thing is the idiot , moron democrats that voted these people in dont seem to mind the loss of the Freedom , Liberty and Pursuit Of Happiness that was granted by our Founding Fathers and maintained by all those United States military people who have died throughout the years ! Impeach obama ! ! ! !
Impeach ALL democrats ! ! !
! Remove the czars ! ! !
Remove the cabinet members - they are corrupt ! !
! Remove the ploitical appointees and Hillary Clinton - they are corrupt ! ! !
! Remove the illegal aliens ! ! ! ! !
They are criminals ! ! !
! NO government run health plan ! ! ! ! !
! NO government climate change bill - it i sfull of corrupt spending and taxation that line the pockets of the democrats and the companies they have invested in - that go them elected ! ! !
! LESS GOVERNMENT IN OUR LIVES AND BUSINESS ! ! !
! NO NEW TAXES ! ! ! !
! NO INCREASE IN TAXES ! ! ! !
! NO JUDGE SOTOMAYER - SHE IS BIASED AND CORRUPT ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DO NOT Recommend United States Of America!The FORMERLY FREE u s of a is vastly becomming a europeon socialist, facisist, progressive, kingdom with b. o. and the dems!!!
!Our tax rate will soon exceed that of the U.K. - we were lower than they were.Our freedoms are being taken away from weekly by b. o. and the dems.The frustrating thing is the idiot, moron democrats that voted these people in dont seem to mind the loss of the Freedom, Liberty and Pursuit Of Happiness that was granted by our Founding Fathers and maintained by all those United States military people who have died throughout the years!Impeach obama!!!!
Impeach ALL democrats!!!
!Remove the czars!!!
Remove the cabinet members - they are corrupt!!
!Remove the ploitical appointees and Hillary Clinton - they are corrupt!!!
!Remove the illegal aliens!!!!!
They are criminals!!!
!NO government run health plan!!!!!
!NO government climate change bill - it i sfull of corrupt spending and taxation that line the pockets of the democrats and the companies they have invested in - that go them elected!!!
!LESS GOVERNMENT IN OUR LIVES AND BUSINESS!!!
!NO NEW TAXES!!!!
!NO INCREASE IN TAXES!!!!
!NO JUDGE SOTOMAYER - SHE IS BIASED AND CORRUPT!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493153</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246098060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those in the LGBTQQI crowd is more than free to marry whomever they choose. They are not, however, entitled to the governmental acceptance of their marriage.</p><p>marriage isn't a freedom. marriage is an exclusive recognition by the culture of acceptance of one's relationship. the tax benefits and other legal consequence of marriage are incentives to get married.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those in the LGBTQQI crowd is more than free to marry whomever they choose .
They are not , however , entitled to the governmental acceptance of their marriage.marriage is n't a freedom .
marriage is an exclusive recognition by the culture of acceptance of one 's relationship .
the tax benefits and other legal consequence of marriage are incentives to get married .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those in the LGBTQQI crowd is more than free to marry whomever they choose.
They are not, however, entitled to the governmental acceptance of their marriage.marriage isn't a freedom.
marriage is an exclusive recognition by the culture of acceptance of one's relationship.
the tax benefits and other legal consequence of marriage are incentives to get married.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491785</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493023</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>FilatovEV</author>
	<datestamp>1246096500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ha-ha! Finlands looks to be just a proper country to conquer! Bloody Russian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha-ha !
Finlands looks to be just a proper country to conquer !
Bloody Russian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha-ha!
Finlands looks to be just a proper country to conquer!
Bloody Russian.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493103</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1246097460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"A country is not made of land; a country is made of its people." -- Unknown</htmltext>
<tokenext>" A country is not made of land ; a country is made of its people .
" -- Unknown</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A country is not made of land; a country is made of its people.
" -- Unknown</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491517</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496173</id>
	<title>Won't you be my neighbor?</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1246130220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can be my neighbor in Memphis TN. Heres a <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;source=s\_q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=550+pruitt+road+oakland+tn&amp;sll=35.169213,-89.53409&amp;sspn=0.008858,0.01929&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=35.169283,-89.533896&amp;spn=0.008858,0.01929&amp;z=16&amp;iwloc=A" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">6-acre empty lot</a> [google.com] for US$100k.  Work locally in IT at FedEx or International Paper or Service Master. Or like me, hop on Northwest-Airlines and contract all over the USA! We blow up stuff on weekends, ride 4wheelers, build <a href="http://benedicts.webs.com/howtobuildawallthing.htm" title="webs.com" rel="nofollow"> Wallthings, normal stuff.</a> [webs.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can be my neighbor in Memphis TN .
Heres a 6-acre empty lot [ google.com ] for US $ 100k .
Work locally in IT at FedEx or International Paper or Service Master .
Or like me , hop on Northwest-Airlines and contract all over the USA !
We blow up stuff on weekends , ride 4wheelers , build Wallthings , normal stuff .
[ webs.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can be my neighbor in Memphis TN.
Heres a 6-acre empty lot [google.com] for US$100k.
Work locally in IT at FedEx or International Paper or Service Master.
Or like me, hop on Northwest-Airlines and contract all over the USA!
We blow up stuff on weekends, ride 4wheelers, build  Wallthings, normal stuff.
[webs.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491749</id>
	<title>Re:I'd recommend Australia or Canada...NOT the U.S</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246039560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Conservatives tapped your phone without a warrant, got rid of habeas corpus, threw away proper rules of evidence, tortured, murdered, and generally wiped their ass with the Constitution... that's all good with you.</p><p>Liberals haven't even made the slightest move to take away your guns, and you're screaming about your rights being violated.  Disproportionate much?</p><p>(Sometimes I wish there were no conservatives... we'd have a lot less shit to clean up.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Conservatives tapped your phone without a warrant , got rid of habeas corpus , threw away proper rules of evidence , tortured , murdered , and generally wiped their ass with the Constitution... that 's all good with you.Liberals have n't even made the slightest move to take away your guns , and you 're screaming about your rights being violated .
Disproportionate much ?
( Sometimes I wish there were no conservatives... we 'd have a lot less shit to clean up .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Conservatives tapped your phone without a warrant, got rid of habeas corpus, threw away proper rules of evidence, tortured, murdered, and generally wiped their ass with the Constitution... that's all good with you.Liberals haven't even made the slightest move to take away your guns, and you're screaming about your rights being violated.
Disproportionate much?
(Sometimes I wish there were no conservatives... we'd have a lot less shit to clean up.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491775</id>
	<title>Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246039860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recommend Switzerland. They have the most democratic and fair government system on the planet (from what I know).</p><p>The fairness of the election in their capital city is <em>mathematically proven</em> to be the fairest system possible!</p><p>The control of the government is very grassroots-style. People have the last word. (Read more about it on Wikipedia.)</p><p>The nature there is incredibly beautiful! I recommend living on the hillside of a green valley, with huge mountains around you, with snow on top. In the summer, it is hot. In the winter there is much snow.</p><p>And from what I saw, people are very relaxed down there. We in Germany joke about them being a bit "slow" when speaking. But that is only a result of this.</p><p>Also I don't think there are many other places in the world, that offer you nice broadband connections, and such a clean nature (with the water you are drinking coming directly from the glaciers!)</p><p>Even their military is so cool, they have bunkers in the hills, were they hide their modern fighter jets. And they are so independent, that they don't even need to be in the EU. (As a military pilot, you have a good chance of flying a F-19. At least a guy who actually flew one, told me this.)</p><p>The only thing you might miss, is the ocean. For that you have to drive to Italy. (Right below it. At Venice for example.)</p><p>I dare you to beat that package.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recommend Switzerland .
They have the most democratic and fair government system on the planet ( from what I know ) .The fairness of the election in their capital city is mathematically proven to be the fairest system possible ! The control of the government is very grassroots-style .
People have the last word .
( Read more about it on Wikipedia .
) The nature there is incredibly beautiful !
I recommend living on the hillside of a green valley , with huge mountains around you , with snow on top .
In the summer , it is hot .
In the winter there is much snow.And from what I saw , people are very relaxed down there .
We in Germany joke about them being a bit " slow " when speaking .
But that is only a result of this.Also I do n't think there are many other places in the world , that offer you nice broadband connections , and such a clean nature ( with the water you are drinking coming directly from the glaciers !
) Even their military is so cool , they have bunkers in the hills , were they hide their modern fighter jets .
And they are so independent , that they do n't even need to be in the EU .
( As a military pilot , you have a good chance of flying a F-19 .
At least a guy who actually flew one , told me this .
) The only thing you might miss , is the ocean .
For that you have to drive to Italy .
( Right below it .
At Venice for example .
) I dare you to beat that package .
: D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recommend Switzerland.
They have the most democratic and fair government system on the planet (from what I know).The fairness of the election in their capital city is mathematically proven to be the fairest system possible!The control of the government is very grassroots-style.
People have the last word.
(Read more about it on Wikipedia.
)The nature there is incredibly beautiful!
I recommend living on the hillside of a green valley, with huge mountains around you, with snow on top.
In the summer, it is hot.
In the winter there is much snow.And from what I saw, people are very relaxed down there.
We in Germany joke about them being a bit "slow" when speaking.
But that is only a result of this.Also I don't think there are many other places in the world, that offer you nice broadband connections, and such a clean nature (with the water you are drinking coming directly from the glaciers!
)Even their military is so cool, they have bunkers in the hills, were they hide their modern fighter jets.
And they are so independent, that they don't even need to be in the EU.
(As a military pilot, you have a good chance of flying a F-19.
At least a guy who actually flew one, told me this.
)The only thing you might miss, is the ocean.
For that you have to drive to Italy.
(Right below it.
At Venice for example.
)I dare you to beat that package.
:D</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492851</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246094400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But how is their "count" of "quotation marks" going?</p><p>I "hear" that they have a lot more of them "down there".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But how is their " count " of " quotation marks " going ? I " hear " that they have a lot more of them " down there " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But how is their "count" of "quotation marks" going?I "hear" that they have a lot more of them "down there".</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492735</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>jjriggs</author>
	<datestamp>1246093440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thank you. No argument for or against the US is bulletproof, because this country is far from perfect. But I would stand up for it in a heartbeat, because I've never lived in fear of the government (as much as I might complain about it), never worried that I wouldn't have food or water, and never felt as though my own future was out of my hands. Yes, I'm an idealist, but isn't our country (our world, for that matter) what we make it? We should all be idealists.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you .
No argument for or against the US is bulletproof , because this country is far from perfect .
But I would stand up for it in a heartbeat , because I 've never lived in fear of the government ( as much as I might complain about it ) , never worried that I would n't have food or water , and never felt as though my own future was out of my hands .
Yes , I 'm an idealist , but is n't our country ( our world , for that matter ) what we make it ?
We should all be idealists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you.
No argument for or against the US is bulletproof, because this country is far from perfect.
But I would stand up for it in a heartbeat, because I've never lived in fear of the government (as much as I might complain about it), never worried that I wouldn't have food or water, and never felt as though my own future was out of my hands.
Yes, I'm an idealist, but isn't our country (our world, for that matter) what we make it?
We should all be idealists.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491305</id>
	<title>Not the U.S.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246036560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Civil War is brewing.  Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes, Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Civil War is brewing .
Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes , Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Civil War is brewing.
Should be a whole lot of fun with nukes, Raptors and Abrams on the battlefield.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497371</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1246095000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If you are starting from the UK, Ireland has to be the easiest country to move to.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are starting from the UK , Ireland has to be the easiest country to move to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are starting from the UK, Ireland has to be the easiest country to move to.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491733</id>
	<title>Re:Canada would be a very good choice!</title>
	<author>Jerry Rivers</author>
	<datestamp>1246039440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I would recommend you to go to Montreal, Quebec, Canada"</p><p>Montr&#233;al is without a doubt one of the great cities of the world.  Unfortunately, he probably doesn't speak ANY French.  Furthermore, rabid anti-English/foreigner sentiment by s&#233;paratistes makes Qu&#233;bec a less than welcoming place for many.  The recent antics during f&#234;te nationale of some very vocal English haters directed at two English bands in Montr&#233;al illustrates what anglos can expect from some in that province.</p><p>I spent a goodly amount of time in Qu&#233;bec as a youth (I'm a bilingual Western Canadian) working for the young Liberals.  I have first-hand experience with anti-English bigotry.  It's not at all easy to avoid or dismiss if you don't speak French (and even if you do and you have an English accent).</p><p>Canada is an excellent choice however, and you are absolutely correct that privacy in Canada is taken much more seriously than in many countries (including the U.S. where I now live).  Sadly, I must recommend he consider anywhere in Canada but Qu&#233;bec.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I would recommend you to go to Montreal , Quebec , Canada " Montr   al is without a doubt one of the great cities of the world .
Unfortunately , he probably does n't speak ANY French .
Furthermore , rabid anti-English/foreigner sentiment by s   paratistes makes Qu   bec a less than welcoming place for many .
The recent antics during f   te nationale of some very vocal English haters directed at two English bands in Montr   al illustrates what anglos can expect from some in that province.I spent a goodly amount of time in Qu   bec as a youth ( I 'm a bilingual Western Canadian ) working for the young Liberals .
I have first-hand experience with anti-English bigotry .
It 's not at all easy to avoid or dismiss if you do n't speak French ( and even if you do and you have an English accent ) .Canada is an excellent choice however , and you are absolutely correct that privacy in Canada is taken much more seriously than in many countries ( including the U.S. where I now live ) .
Sadly , I must recommend he consider anywhere in Canada but Qu   bec .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I would recommend you to go to Montreal, Quebec, Canada"Montréal is without a doubt one of the great cities of the world.
Unfortunately, he probably doesn't speak ANY French.
Furthermore, rabid anti-English/foreigner sentiment by séparatistes makes Québec a less than welcoming place for many.
The recent antics during fête nationale of some very vocal English haters directed at two English bands in Montréal illustrates what anglos can expect from some in that province.I spent a goodly amount of time in Québec as a youth (I'm a bilingual Western Canadian) working for the young Liberals.
I have first-hand experience with anti-English bigotry.
It's not at all easy to avoid or dismiss if you don't speak French (and even if you do and you have an English accent).Canada is an excellent choice however, and you are absolutely correct that privacy in Canada is taken much more seriously than in many countries (including the U.S. where I now live).
Sadly, I must recommend he consider anywhere in Canada but Québec.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492717</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246093200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> NZ is the only country in the world where, on average the women have had more sexual partners than men.</p></div></blockquote><p>How does that math work?</p><p>Are there more lesbians in NZ?</p><p>Are there a lower female/male ratio in NZ?</p><p>Those are the two only reasons I can imagine.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>NZ is the only country in the world where , on average the women have had more sexual partners than men.How does that math work ? Are there more lesbians in NZ ? Are there a lower female/male ratio in NZ ? Those are the two only reasons I can imagine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> NZ is the only country in the world where, on average the women have had more sexual partners than men.How does that math work?Are there more lesbians in NZ?Are there a lower female/male ratio in NZ?Those are the two only reasons I can imagine.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491969</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493549</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>jez9999</author>
	<datestamp>1246103760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd seriously love to move to work and live in Canada, have wanted to for ages, but can't because finding a job there as a UKian is spectacularly difficult (anyone have any suggestions, by the way?  I'm a skilled programmer with good working knowledge of things like C#, C, Perl, SQL Server, MySQL, (X)HTML, Javascript, etc.)</p><p>I thought I'd enumerate a list of reasons I hate the UK so much I want to emigrate, which I'm sure some people will partially disagree with, but which I think that the UK really *is* that bad, alas.</p><p>* Surveillance.  We're the most watched country in the world, and the majority of people don't have too much of a problem with it.  This sucks.<br>* Speed cameras.  They're regularly used, all over the place, by local authorities as a means of revenue generation.  Get caught going 57 MPH in a 50MPH zone 4 times (these zones can be and frequently are dual-carriageways), and you're banned from driving for half a year.  North America would respect a lot more that cars are downright necessary for many people and would not ban you for such frivolous infringements.<br>* Apalling electoral system.  Ours is one of the most antiquated, useless electoral systems in the Western world... not surprising considering it's one of the oldest and hasn't been reformed much at all.  It's widely accepted that a one-MP-per-constituency system is a Good Thing and somehow makes MPs more accountable, precluding the possibility of us ever getting a decent system of proportional representation.  This sucks.<br>* Soft drugs are illegal.  This is generally the case in the Western world, but at least there are pro-cannabis movements in Canada and the US.  Over here, there's very little debate about this matter, it's just generally 'accepted' that (soft) drugs are guaranteed to be a bad thing for society, in large part because of...<br>* The BBC.  Yeah, this one's gonna be contraversial, but I personally strongly object to being forced to pay a licence fee because of one fucking broadcaster that I consider mediocre at best, and certainly very biased with its news output.  It chooses what to report very selectively, not to mention how it reports it, and has quite a few agendas (it tends to be in favour of big government, ever-more police, banning as much as possible including soft drugs, and just generally being apologists for the government-du-jour's authoritatian policies).  As far as I'm concerned, the BBC is to some extent responsible for a lot of the bullshit opinions many people in the UK hold, because they have so much sway over people's opinions and use it to make people think stupid things.</p><p>I could go on, but I feel this post has gotten long enough.  Suffice it to say... if anyone knows how I could get a half-decent programming job (I'll be a team leader too!  I wouldn't mind trying management!) in Canada, please contact me.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd seriously love to move to work and live in Canada , have wanted to for ages , but ca n't because finding a job there as a UKian is spectacularly difficult ( anyone have any suggestions , by the way ?
I 'm a skilled programmer with good working knowledge of things like C # , C , Perl , SQL Server , MySQL , ( X ) HTML , Javascript , etc .
) I thought I 'd enumerate a list of reasons I hate the UK so much I want to emigrate , which I 'm sure some people will partially disagree with , but which I think that the UK really * is * that bad , alas .
* Surveillance .
We 're the most watched country in the world , and the majority of people do n't have too much of a problem with it .
This sucks .
* Speed cameras .
They 're regularly used , all over the place , by local authorities as a means of revenue generation .
Get caught going 57 MPH in a 50MPH zone 4 times ( these zones can be and frequently are dual-carriageways ) , and you 're banned from driving for half a year .
North America would respect a lot more that cars are downright necessary for many people and would not ban you for such frivolous infringements .
* Apalling electoral system .
Ours is one of the most antiquated , useless electoral systems in the Western world... not surprising considering it 's one of the oldest and has n't been reformed much at all .
It 's widely accepted that a one-MP-per-constituency system is a Good Thing and somehow makes MPs more accountable , precluding the possibility of us ever getting a decent system of proportional representation .
This sucks .
* Soft drugs are illegal .
This is generally the case in the Western world , but at least there are pro-cannabis movements in Canada and the US .
Over here , there 's very little debate about this matter , it 's just generally 'accepted ' that ( soft ) drugs are guaranteed to be a bad thing for society , in large part because of... * The BBC .
Yeah , this one 's gon na be contraversial , but I personally strongly object to being forced to pay a licence fee because of one fucking broadcaster that I consider mediocre at best , and certainly very biased with its news output .
It chooses what to report very selectively , not to mention how it reports it , and has quite a few agendas ( it tends to be in favour of big government , ever-more police , banning as much as possible including soft drugs , and just generally being apologists for the government-du-jour 's authoritatian policies ) .
As far as I 'm concerned , the BBC is to some extent responsible for a lot of the bullshit opinions many people in the UK hold , because they have so much sway over people 's opinions and use it to make people think stupid things.I could go on , but I feel this post has gotten long enough .
Suffice it to say... if anyone knows how I could get a half-decent programming job ( I 'll be a team leader too !
I would n't mind trying management !
) in Canada , please contact me .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd seriously love to move to work and live in Canada, have wanted to for ages, but can't because finding a job there as a UKian is spectacularly difficult (anyone have any suggestions, by the way?
I'm a skilled programmer with good working knowledge of things like C#, C, Perl, SQL Server, MySQL, (X)HTML, Javascript, etc.
)I thought I'd enumerate a list of reasons I hate the UK so much I want to emigrate, which I'm sure some people will partially disagree with, but which I think that the UK really *is* that bad, alas.
* Surveillance.
We're the most watched country in the world, and the majority of people don't have too much of a problem with it.
This sucks.
* Speed cameras.
They're regularly used, all over the place, by local authorities as a means of revenue generation.
Get caught going 57 MPH in a 50MPH zone 4 times (these zones can be and frequently are dual-carriageways), and you're banned from driving for half a year.
North America would respect a lot more that cars are downright necessary for many people and would not ban you for such frivolous infringements.
* Apalling electoral system.
Ours is one of the most antiquated, useless electoral systems in the Western world... not surprising considering it's one of the oldest and hasn't been reformed much at all.
It's widely accepted that a one-MP-per-constituency system is a Good Thing and somehow makes MPs more accountable, precluding the possibility of us ever getting a decent system of proportional representation.
This sucks.
* Soft drugs are illegal.
This is generally the case in the Western world, but at least there are pro-cannabis movements in Canada and the US.
Over here, there's very little debate about this matter, it's just generally 'accepted' that (soft) drugs are guaranteed to be a bad thing for society, in large part because of...* The BBC.
Yeah, this one's gonna be contraversial, but I personally strongly object to being forced to pay a licence fee because of one fucking broadcaster that I consider mediocre at best, and certainly very biased with its news output.
It chooses what to report very selectively, not to mention how it reports it, and has quite a few agendas (it tends to be in favour of big government, ever-more police, banning as much as possible including soft drugs, and just generally being apologists for the government-du-jour's authoritatian policies).
As far as I'm concerned, the BBC is to some extent responsible for a lot of the bullshit opinions many people in the UK hold, because they have so much sway over people's opinions and use it to make people think stupid things.I could go on, but I feel this post has gotten long enough.
Suffice it to say... if anyone knows how I could get a half-decent programming job (I'll be a team leader too!
I wouldn't mind trying management!
) in Canada, please contact me.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492499</id>
	<title>You made the mess...</title>
	<author>mellon</author>
	<datestamp>1246133400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...now clean it up.   I know that sounds a bit harsh, but why do people expect government to be any different than anything else?   In order for it to work well, it requires maintenance.   You're basically asking that some country that's been properly maintained allow you in, even though you've demonstrated your inability to maintain the government you have now.   In addition to being a bit unfair, that's pretty defeatist.   The U.K. is not unsalvageable, but if everybody with sense leaves, it will be.   Your proposed actions do not scale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...now clean it up .
I know that sounds a bit harsh , but why do people expect government to be any different than anything else ?
In order for it to work well , it requires maintenance .
You 're basically asking that some country that 's been properly maintained allow you in , even though you 've demonstrated your inability to maintain the government you have now .
In addition to being a bit unfair , that 's pretty defeatist .
The U.K. is not unsalvageable , but if everybody with sense leaves , it will be .
Your proposed actions do not scale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...now clean it up.
I know that sounds a bit harsh, but why do people expect government to be any different than anything else?
In order for it to work well, it requires maintenance.
You're basically asking that some country that's been properly maintained allow you in, even though you've demonstrated your inability to maintain the government you have now.
In addition to being a bit unfair, that's pretty defeatist.
The U.K. is not unsalvageable, but if everybody with sense leaves, it will be.
Your proposed actions do not scale.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491955</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246041120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you don't mind the government snooping on what you're reading when researching your speech. http://bit.ly/xB1xQ</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't mind the government snooping on what you 're reading when researching your speech .
http : //bit.ly/xB1xQ</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't mind the government snooping on what you're reading when researching your speech.
http://bit.ly/xB1xQ</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497291</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246094520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The continent of Europe is HUGE - (larger than the US!) and possibly the most culturally diverse area on the planet. Certainly a wider variety of politics than the US that's for sure.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The continent of Europe is HUGE - ( larger than the US !
) and possibly the most culturally diverse area on the planet .
Certainly a wider variety of politics than the US that 's for sure .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The continent of Europe is HUGE - (larger than the US!
) and possibly the most culturally diverse area on the planet.
Certainly a wider variety of politics than the US that's for sure.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493295</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of choices in Europe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246100100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget about the Netherlands, we are going down hill fast and the government is putting the pedal to the metal to ruin this country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget about the Netherlands , we are going down hill fast and the government is putting the pedal to the metal to ruin this country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget about the Netherlands, we are going down hill fast and the government is putting the pedal to the metal to ruin this country.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497227</id>
	<title>Eastern Tennessee</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246094100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Backwoods of East Tennessee.  You'll have to lean a new language, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Backwoods of East Tennessee .
You 'll have to lean a new language , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Backwoods of East Tennessee.
You'll have to lean a new language, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491517</id>
	<title>Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246037940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stay in the UK.  Its YOUR fucking country, damn it.  Stand up for it.</p><p>See, the problem with emigrating to another country because you won't stand up for freedom is that you have a problem in the first place.  You won't safe guard your freedoms.  So you move to another country and you will eventually loose your freedoms there too, since you (the people) aren't taking care of them.  Freedom is like muscle, if you don't exercise and use it, you will loose it.</p><p>So stay my friend.  Be that guy/gal, like Gandhi or Thoreau or Rosa Parks.<br>Unless your life is at risk, stay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stay in the UK .
Its YOUR fucking country , damn it .
Stand up for it.See , the problem with emigrating to another country because you wo n't stand up for freedom is that you have a problem in the first place .
You wo n't safe guard your freedoms .
So you move to another country and you will eventually loose your freedoms there too , since you ( the people ) are n't taking care of them .
Freedom is like muscle , if you do n't exercise and use it , you will loose it.So stay my friend .
Be that guy/gal , like Gandhi or Thoreau or Rosa Parks.Unless your life is at risk , stay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stay in the UK.
Its YOUR fucking country, damn it.
Stand up for it.See, the problem with emigrating to another country because you won't stand up for freedom is that you have a problem in the first place.
You won't safe guard your freedoms.
So you move to another country and you will eventually loose your freedoms there too, since you (the people) aren't taking care of them.
Freedom is like muscle, if you don't exercise and use it, you will loose it.So stay my friend.
Be that guy/gal, like Gandhi or Thoreau or Rosa Parks.Unless your life is at risk, stay.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493555</id>
	<title>Re:Science Fiction author</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246103880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when is a whole continent a land/country? Jes' askin' y'know. If you have an income in Euro/US Dollar you can well afford to pay for the private security necessary. Just don't expect to find work, as local legislations often don't allow you to.</p><p>Get a genetic tan, tho, and u can do what you want. Pretty much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when is a whole continent a land/country ?
Jes ' askin ' y'know .
If you have an income in Euro/US Dollar you can well afford to pay for the private security necessary .
Just do n't expect to find work , as local legislations often do n't allow you to.Get a genetic tan , tho , and u can do what you want .
Pretty much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when is a whole continent a land/country?
Jes' askin' y'know.
If you have an income in Euro/US Dollar you can well afford to pay for the private security necessary.
Just don't expect to find work, as local legislations often don't allow you to.Get a genetic tan, tho, and u can do what you want.
Pretty much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28501965</id>
	<title>Re:Lots of choices in Europe</title>
	<author>Corbets</author>
	<datestamp>1246182120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My favorite list: Switzerland, Netherland, Finland, Sweden, Norway. I would love to live in Switzerland myself: I love the direct democracy there, the peaceful people and the beautiful nature and very high standard of living.<br>Another option is to become really rich! Rich people enjoy much more freedom all over the world!</p></div><p>As an American currently living in Switzerland and looking to get my citizenship in a few years, I have to agree with that. I love this country - it's everything America wanted to be before it grew up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My favorite list : Switzerland , Netherland , Finland , Sweden , Norway .
I would love to live in Switzerland myself : I love the direct democracy there , the peaceful people and the beautiful nature and very high standard of living.Another option is to become really rich !
Rich people enjoy much more freedom all over the world ! As an American currently living in Switzerland and looking to get my citizenship in a few years , I have to agree with that .
I love this country - it 's everything America wanted to be before it grew up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My favorite list: Switzerland, Netherland, Finland, Sweden, Norway.
I would love to live in Switzerland myself: I love the direct democracy there, the peaceful people and the beautiful nature and very high standard of living.Another option is to become really rich!
Rich people enjoy much more freedom all over the world!As an American currently living in Switzerland and looking to get my citizenship in a few years, I have to agree with that.
I love this country - it's everything America wanted to be before it grew up.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491321</id>
	<title>Public's problem.</title>
	<author>enigma32</author>
	<datestamp>1246036680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think one of the primary issues is the general lack of interest by the general public in maintaining freedom.</p><p>I've had extended conversations with people about why the requirements for air travel are such a bad thing and had them tell me they have no problem bearing their entire lives when they go through the airport -- they even have no problem with people monitoring them by video 24 hours a day if it means that they will be "safe".</p><p>Honestly, the general population is so unaware of their circumstances and has so little imagination that they have no idea how bad it can get.</p><p>If you find someplace better (I certainly wouldn't move to the UK from the US but it isn't so good here either) let me know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think one of the primary issues is the general lack of interest by the general public in maintaining freedom.I 've had extended conversations with people about why the requirements for air travel are such a bad thing and had them tell me they have no problem bearing their entire lives when they go through the airport -- they even have no problem with people monitoring them by video 24 hours a day if it means that they will be " safe " .Honestly , the general population is so unaware of their circumstances and has so little imagination that they have no idea how bad it can get.If you find someplace better ( I certainly would n't move to the UK from the US but it is n't so good here either ) let me know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think one of the primary issues is the general lack of interest by the general public in maintaining freedom.I've had extended conversations with people about why the requirements for air travel are such a bad thing and had them tell me they have no problem bearing their entire lives when they go through the airport -- they even have no problem with people monitoring them by video 24 hours a day if it means that they will be "safe".Honestly, the general population is so unaware of their circumstances and has so little imagination that they have no idea how bad it can get.If you find someplace better (I certainly wouldn't move to the UK from the US but it isn't so good here either) let me know.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28501323</id>
	<title>Antarctica</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1246127520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hear there's no police there, and you'll never be bored by your weather forecast.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear there 's no police there , and you 'll never be bored by your weather forecast .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear there's no police there, and you'll never be bored by your weather forecast.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28500183</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>nbates</author>
	<datestamp>1246117140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want freedom, I wouldn't choose Switzerland. As far as I know, people are very uptight there, you will have trouble if you make noises (or even take a shower) after 20pm and all sort  of bullshit like that, straight from a country that has little real problems so they make up their own.</p><p>My neighbor is Swiss, and he always speaks about how he hated the fact that people in Switzerland speak a lot about freedom but in practice there is too little freedom since you are over-regulated by your neighbors. He prefers Argentina, where he lives in a small town, with nobody telling him what to do.</p><p>I think Argentina is a great place to live if you aren't planing to do business here and you have an external source of income. But I agree Argentina is not the most stable country in the world, and we Argentineans (in average) are not to be trusted so much when doing business. But you can mostly do whatever you want here in Argentina, not because there aren't laws but because laws are seldom enforced. When I think about Argentina I think about chaos, thus the freedom to go unregulated. When I think about Switzerland I think about the opposite. Argentina is a de-facto Anarchy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want freedom , I would n't choose Switzerland .
As far as I know , people are very uptight there , you will have trouble if you make noises ( or even take a shower ) after 20pm and all sort of bullshit like that , straight from a country that has little real problems so they make up their own.My neighbor is Swiss , and he always speaks about how he hated the fact that people in Switzerland speak a lot about freedom but in practice there is too little freedom since you are over-regulated by your neighbors .
He prefers Argentina , where he lives in a small town , with nobody telling him what to do.I think Argentina is a great place to live if you are n't planing to do business here and you have an external source of income .
But I agree Argentina is not the most stable country in the world , and we Argentineans ( in average ) are not to be trusted so much when doing business .
But you can mostly do whatever you want here in Argentina , not because there are n't laws but because laws are seldom enforced .
When I think about Argentina I think about chaos , thus the freedom to go unregulated .
When I think about Switzerland I think about the opposite .
Argentina is a de-facto Anarchy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want freedom, I wouldn't choose Switzerland.
As far as I know, people are very uptight there, you will have trouble if you make noises (or even take a shower) after 20pm and all sort  of bullshit like that, straight from a country that has little real problems so they make up their own.My neighbor is Swiss, and he always speaks about how he hated the fact that people in Switzerland speak a lot about freedom but in practice there is too little freedom since you are over-regulated by your neighbors.
He prefers Argentina, where he lives in a small town, with nobody telling him what to do.I think Argentina is a great place to live if you aren't planing to do business here and you have an external source of income.
But I agree Argentina is not the most stable country in the world, and we Argentineans (in average) are not to be trusted so much when doing business.
But you can mostly do whatever you want here in Argentina, not because there aren't laws but because laws are seldom enforced.
When I think about Argentina I think about chaos, thus the freedom to go unregulated.
When I think about Switzerland I think about the opposite.
Argentina is a de-facto Anarchy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494521</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246115700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lol, invasion from russia, the ivans have tried, twice, failed both times, will fail again if they try(i doubt they will any time soon)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lol , invasion from russia , the ivans have tried , twice , failed both times , will fail again if they try ( i doubt they will any time soon )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lol, invasion from russia, the ivans have tried, twice, failed both times, will fail again if they try(i doubt they will any time soon)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492839</id>
	<title>Threats to freedom?</title>
	<author>reiisi</author>
	<datestamp>1246094280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't condone suicide missions, and I'm not trying to justify the attack on the world trade center, but, in a very real sense, the situation in (the Sudan), Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. are rather a product of a "free" people being not brave enough to uphold our freedoms the right way.</p><p>Free people respect each others' freedoms.</p><p>Free people respect other peoples' freedoms, as well.</p><p>Free people share when they have more than enough, and I don't mean sharing infectious diseases.</p><p>Free people are willing to put themselves out to help others on occasion.</p><p>We (including western Europe) tried to protect our freedoms by forcibly converting the "savage races" to Christianity, a completely self-contradictory effort.</p><p>We tried to protect our material prosperity by, not just giving people in "undeveloped" countries new opportunities to work, but letting the economic and political differences excuse in taking excessively more than we should have.</p><p>When we should have been setting an example of freedom that included self-control, well, look at how we have rewarded the "freedom" of expression in popular theater and literature. Why do we, as a society, claim that we are free when we are so willing to spend our valuable time and money on bondage and fetish? That's not freedom.</p><p>And so forth.</p><p>And, now that we find that we have raced to the bottom and won, protecting our "freedoms" and "prosperity" the wrong way until there is nothing left to protect, we turn back to the old ways of oppression. Copyright abuse and mandatory ID is just the tip of the iceberg.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't condone suicide missions , and I 'm not trying to justify the attack on the world trade center , but , in a very real sense , the situation in ( the Sudan ) , Iran , Pakistan , Afghanistan , etc .
are rather a product of a " free " people being not brave enough to uphold our freedoms the right way.Free people respect each others ' freedoms.Free people respect other peoples ' freedoms , as well.Free people share when they have more than enough , and I do n't mean sharing infectious diseases.Free people are willing to put themselves out to help others on occasion.We ( including western Europe ) tried to protect our freedoms by forcibly converting the " savage races " to Christianity , a completely self-contradictory effort.We tried to protect our material prosperity by , not just giving people in " undeveloped " countries new opportunities to work , but letting the economic and political differences excuse in taking excessively more than we should have.When we should have been setting an example of freedom that included self-control , well , look at how we have rewarded the " freedom " of expression in popular theater and literature .
Why do we , as a society , claim that we are free when we are so willing to spend our valuable time and money on bondage and fetish ?
That 's not freedom.And so forth.And , now that we find that we have raced to the bottom and won , protecting our " freedoms " and " prosperity " the wrong way until there is nothing left to protect , we turn back to the old ways of oppression .
Copyright abuse and mandatory ID is just the tip of the iceberg .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't condone suicide missions, and I'm not trying to justify the attack on the world trade center, but, in a very real sense, the situation in (the Sudan), Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc.
are rather a product of a "free" people being not brave enough to uphold our freedoms the right way.Free people respect each others' freedoms.Free people respect other peoples' freedoms, as well.Free people share when they have more than enough, and I don't mean sharing infectious diseases.Free people are willing to put themselves out to help others on occasion.We (including western Europe) tried to protect our freedoms by forcibly converting the "savage races" to Christianity, a completely self-contradictory effort.We tried to protect our material prosperity by, not just giving people in "undeveloped" countries new opportunities to work, but letting the economic and political differences excuse in taking excessively more than we should have.When we should have been setting an example of freedom that included self-control, well, look at how we have rewarded the "freedom" of expression in popular theater and literature.
Why do we, as a society, claim that we are free when we are so willing to spend our valuable time and money on bondage and fetish?
That's not freedom.And so forth.And, now that we find that we have raced to the bottom and won, protecting our "freedoms" and "prosperity" the wrong way until there is nothing left to protect, we turn back to the old ways of oppression.
Copyright abuse and mandatory ID is just the tip of the iceberg.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497929</id>
	<title>Re:List of Countries</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1246098480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why not stay in your own country and fight for those rights? Run as an independent for government. Organize resistance to the plans.</p></div><p>How long do you have to keep trying before you give up?</p><p>Some - actually, most - people don't want to sacrifice their lives (not just literally, but also figuratively) fighting oppressive governments. Not when there is an option to move somewhere more sane. They just want to live their lives.</p><p>And before anyone asks - when you're up against the wall (e.g. Iran), it's a very different situation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not stay in your own country and fight for those rights ?
Run as an independent for government .
Organize resistance to the plans.How long do you have to keep trying before you give up ? Some - actually , most - people do n't want to sacrifice their lives ( not just literally , but also figuratively ) fighting oppressive governments .
Not when there is an option to move somewhere more sane .
They just want to live their lives.And before anyone asks - when you 're up against the wall ( e.g .
Iran ) , it 's a very different situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not stay in your own country and fight for those rights?
Run as an independent for government.
Organize resistance to the plans.How long do you have to keep trying before you give up?Some - actually, most - people don't want to sacrifice their lives (not just literally, but also figuratively) fighting oppressive governments.
Not when there is an option to move somewhere more sane.
They just want to live their lives.And before anyone asks - when you're up against the wall (e.g.
Iran), it's a very different situation.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492373</id>
	<title>Re:Canada would be a very good choice!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246045680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>beautiful women on every corner</i> </p><p>I know a few corners like that in San Francisco, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>beautiful women on every corner I know a few corners like that in San Francisco , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>beautiful women on every corner I know a few corners like that in San Francisco, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492709</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246136280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Invation from Russia? You mean the very likelly event that Russia would decide to attack a state in the worlds largest economy? A block with more than 3 times the population than Russia and with a 10 times higher GDP. Sure, the EU does not have as many nukes as Russia, but more than enough to oblitterate Russia.</p><p>But yeah, that is a very likelly scenario.</p><p>And in case you dont think the rest would come to Finlands aid, maybe the mutual defense agreement in the treaty of Lisbon will convince you.</p><p>I agree, the language may be an issue, but most Finns speak English, and in some areas you might get around with Swedish instead which is easier to learn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Invation from Russia ?
You mean the very likelly event that Russia would decide to attack a state in the worlds largest economy ?
A block with more than 3 times the population than Russia and with a 10 times higher GDP .
Sure , the EU does not have as many nukes as Russia , but more than enough to oblitterate Russia.But yeah , that is a very likelly scenario.And in case you dont think the rest would come to Finlands aid , maybe the mutual defense agreement in the treaty of Lisbon will convince you.I agree , the language may be an issue , but most Finns speak English , and in some areas you might get around with Swedish instead which is easier to learn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Invation from Russia?
You mean the very likelly event that Russia would decide to attack a state in the worlds largest economy?
A block with more than 3 times the population than Russia and with a 10 times higher GDP.
Sure, the EU does not have as many nukes as Russia, but more than enough to oblitterate Russia.But yeah, that is a very likelly scenario.And in case you dont think the rest would come to Finlands aid, maybe the mutual defense agreement in the treaty of Lisbon will convince you.I agree, the language may be an issue, but most Finns speak English, and in some areas you might get around with Swedish instead which is easier to learn.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494981</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246119960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ah.. that's obvious. Finns naturally don't speak English any more than they do Finnish, which isn't much.<br>However, I've yet to meet a finn between ages 20 and 40 who didn't KNOW English.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah.. that 's obvious .
Finns naturally do n't speak English any more than they do Finnish , which is n't much.However , I 've yet to meet a finn between ages 20 and 40 who did n't KNOW English .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah.. that's obvious.
Finns naturally don't speak English any more than they do Finnish, which isn't much.However, I've yet to meet a finn between ages 20 and 40 who didn't KNOW English.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492759</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>madprof</author>
	<datestamp>1246093620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have a very odd view of the UK.<br>The UK has a constitution, it's just not in the same form as the US one. And freedom of speech is explicitly protected under human rights law.<br>We stopped being subjects a long long time ago. Just as we stopped saying "forsooth sire", wearing ruffs and burning witches.<br>I can't think of anyone in the UK who actually has the same amount of concentrated power as the POTUS which also undermines the whole "under someone" point you were making.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have a very odd view of the UK.The UK has a constitution , it 's just not in the same form as the US one .
And freedom of speech is explicitly protected under human rights law.We stopped being subjects a long long time ago .
Just as we stopped saying " forsooth sire " , wearing ruffs and burning witches.I ca n't think of anyone in the UK who actually has the same amount of concentrated power as the POTUS which also undermines the whole " under someone " point you were making .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have a very odd view of the UK.The UK has a constitution, it's just not in the same form as the US one.
And freedom of speech is explicitly protected under human rights law.We stopped being subjects a long long time ago.
Just as we stopped saying "forsooth sire", wearing ruffs and burning witches.I can't think of anyone in the UK who actually has the same amount of concentrated power as the POTUS which also undermines the whole "under someone" point you were making.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494851</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>PastaLover</author>
	<datestamp>1246119000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I totally agree. I'd go as far as say that if you really think it's this bad you have the moral duty to stay as long as you can do so safely. Try to change things whichever way you can (within reason, of course). Simply saying "well fuck this" and moving out of the country is IMHO taking the easy way out, fleeing the battlefield before the fight has even really begun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree .
I 'd go as far as say that if you really think it 's this bad you have the moral duty to stay as long as you can do so safely .
Try to change things whichever way you can ( within reason , of course ) .
Simply saying " well fuck this " and moving out of the country is IMHO taking the easy way out , fleeing the battlefield before the fight has even really begun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree.
I'd go as far as say that if you really think it's this bad you have the moral duty to stay as long as you can do so safely.
Try to change things whichever way you can (within reason, of course).
Simply saying "well fuck this" and moving out of the country is IMHO taking the easy way out, fleeing the battlefield before the fight has even really begun.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491517</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493851</id>
	<title>I've done this!</title>
	<author>stevedcc</author>
	<datestamp>1246108620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I left the UK and moved to Germany, about 18 months ago.  I barely spoke a word of German when I arrived.  Admittedly the main reason was that my fiancee is German, but I'd been uncomfortable about the same issues you mention regarding the UK and the direction it's heading.  It's the best thing I ever did.</p><p>I learned German for 4 months, then started looking for work.  I had an MSc in IT, but no IT experience.  I got a job within 1 month of looking, the firm speaks German, but most of the developers speak good English.  At first I only spoke English at work, but now I speak German where I can, English the rest of the time</p><p>I have to say that Germany is FAR better than the UK on most of these issues.  Whilst they do have ID cards here, they're not electronic and probably only exist as a hangover from being an occupied state after WWII (the allies required it).</p><p>My advice would be take the plunge!  Don't worry about language too much within the EU if you're going for IT jobs (maybe apart from France, but that could be just reputation).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I left the UK and moved to Germany , about 18 months ago .
I barely spoke a word of German when I arrived .
Admittedly the main reason was that my fiancee is German , but I 'd been uncomfortable about the same issues you mention regarding the UK and the direction it 's heading .
It 's the best thing I ever did.I learned German for 4 months , then started looking for work .
I had an MSc in IT , but no IT experience .
I got a job within 1 month of looking , the firm speaks German , but most of the developers speak good English .
At first I only spoke English at work , but now I speak German where I can , English the rest of the timeI have to say that Germany is FAR better than the UK on most of these issues .
Whilst they do have ID cards here , they 're not electronic and probably only exist as a hangover from being an occupied state after WWII ( the allies required it ) .My advice would be take the plunge !
Do n't worry about language too much within the EU if you 're going for IT jobs ( maybe apart from France , but that could be just reputation ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I left the UK and moved to Germany, about 18 months ago.
I barely spoke a word of German when I arrived.
Admittedly the main reason was that my fiancee is German, but I'd been uncomfortable about the same issues you mention regarding the UK and the direction it's heading.
It's the best thing I ever did.I learned German for 4 months, then started looking for work.
I had an MSc in IT, but no IT experience.
I got a job within 1 month of looking, the firm speaks German, but most of the developers speak good English.
At first I only spoke English at work, but now I speak German where I can, English the rest of the timeI have to say that Germany is FAR better than the UK on most of these issues.
Whilst they do have ID cards here, they're not electronic and probably only exist as a hangover from being an occupied state after WWII (the allies required it).My advice would be take the plunge!
Don't worry about language too much within the EU if you're going for IT jobs (maybe apart from France, but that could be just reputation).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28499883</id>
	<title>Stay the fuck away from my country</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246114500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in Canada.  I don't want some dumbass who's too lazy to be politically active here.  Fix the problems in your country, then move here and help me fix Canada's problems.  Until then, the grass will always look greener on the other side.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Canada .
I do n't want some dumbass who 's too lazy to be politically active here .
Fix the problems in your country , then move here and help me fix Canada 's problems .
Until then , the grass will always look greener on the other side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Canada.
I don't want some dumbass who's too lazy to be politically active here.
Fix the problems in your country, then move here and help me fix Canada's problems.
Until then, the grass will always look greener on the other side.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494837</id>
	<title>Real conservatives will protect privacy &amp; libe</title>
	<author>Tangential</author>
	<datestamp>1246118820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A true Conservative government would actually pursue less government interference in personal affairs. Conservatives want to conserve things (liberty, the environment, stability, etc..) Unfortunately, most governments are not particularly bound to their political ideology. Instead, they are focused on staying in power and building their bureaucracy. That doesn't happen by keeping the government's nose out of peoples day to day lives. The government has to always grow.

We haven't had a conservative government here in the US since the 50's. After that, JFK was a fiscal conservative, but everyone after him has been pretty much a disaster as far as conservatism goes. While we've seen a lot of our rights disappear (the right to travel freely within the country, the unlimited right of a person over 65 to go to the Dr of their choice, the right to deal privately in cash, etc..), I don't think it is as quite as intrusive (yet) as what you face in the U.K. though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A true Conservative government would actually pursue less government interference in personal affairs .
Conservatives want to conserve things ( liberty , the environment , stability , etc.. ) Unfortunately , most governments are not particularly bound to their political ideology .
Instead , they are focused on staying in power and building their bureaucracy .
That does n't happen by keeping the government 's nose out of peoples day to day lives .
The government has to always grow .
We have n't had a conservative government here in the US since the 50 's .
After that , JFK was a fiscal conservative , but everyone after him has been pretty much a disaster as far as conservatism goes .
While we 've seen a lot of our rights disappear ( the right to travel freely within the country , the unlimited right of a person over 65 to go to the Dr of their choice , the right to deal privately in cash , etc.. ) , I do n't think it is as quite as intrusive ( yet ) as what you face in the U.K. though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A true Conservative government would actually pursue less government interference in personal affairs.
Conservatives want to conserve things (liberty, the environment, stability, etc..) Unfortunately, most governments are not particularly bound to their political ideology.
Instead, they are focused on staying in power and building their bureaucracy.
That doesn't happen by keeping the government's nose out of peoples day to day lives.
The government has to always grow.
We haven't had a conservative government here in the US since the 50's.
After that, JFK was a fiscal conservative, but everyone after him has been pretty much a disaster as far as conservatism goes.
While we've seen a lot of our rights disappear (the right to travel freely within the country, the unlimited right of a person over 65 to go to the Dr of their choice, the right to deal privately in cash, etc..), I don't think it is as quite as intrusive (yet) as what you face in the U.K. though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491313</id>
	<title>agreed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246036620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wish i could find a country that stood for freedom and liberty, American has lost this beacon and does not appear to want to regain it anytime soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wish i could find a country that stood for freedom and liberty , American has lost this beacon and does not appear to want to regain it anytime soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wish i could find a country that stood for freedom and liberty, American has lost this beacon and does not appear to want to regain it anytime soon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491387</id>
	<title>Seems like I need a subject line to post...</title>
	<author>Snarky McButtface</author>
	<datestamp>1246037220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Canada, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Canada , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Canada, eh?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492317</id>
	<title>Re:List of Countries</title>
	<author>Hal\_Porter</author>
	<datestamp>1246045140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can recommend Taiwan. HDI of 0.932. Low taxes, very free place.</p><p>All those Scandinavian countries score higher but frankly I've lived in Sweden it gave me the creeps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can recommend Taiwan .
HDI of 0.932 .
Low taxes , very free place.All those Scandinavian countries score higher but frankly I 've lived in Sweden it gave me the creeps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can recommend Taiwan.
HDI of 0.932.
Low taxes, very free place.All those Scandinavian countries score higher but frankly I've lived in Sweden it gave me the creeps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491297</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493189</id>
	<title>The Netherlands</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246098540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Come to the Netherlands:</p><p>- right across the pond for you;</p><p>- Everybody talks English;</p><p>- True parliamentary democracy;</p><p>- We have a constitution guarantying your rights;</p><p>- A Royal Family that provides you a day off a year and a reason to celebrate;</p><p>- Our Crown Prince is popular and doesn't talk to plants, plus he has a hot hot wife;</p><p>- Dutch citizens have no restrictions on travel (unlike US citizens, who are prohibited travel to certain countries. So much for 'freedom');</p><p>- very good social laws, including universal health care;</p><p>- very good public transport infrastructure;</p><p>- tulips, cheese, windmills, the red light district and coffeeshops;</p><p>- We do have 'mandatory' ID since a while, but nobody takes it serious really;</p><p>- Good standard of living (one of the best in Europe);</p><p>- relatively low unemployment;</p><p>- very low corruption;</p><p>- low crime rates;</p><p>- scores very high on the list of 'nations that feel happiest';</p><p>- Chicks dig British accents;</p><p>A serious drawback though is an excessive amount of red tape when dealing with local or national government bodies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Come to the Netherlands : - right across the pond for you ; - Everybody talks English ; - True parliamentary democracy ; - We have a constitution guarantying your rights ; - A Royal Family that provides you a day off a year and a reason to celebrate ; - Our Crown Prince is popular and does n't talk to plants , plus he has a hot hot wife ; - Dutch citizens have no restrictions on travel ( unlike US citizens , who are prohibited travel to certain countries .
So much for 'freedom ' ) ; - very good social laws , including universal health care ; - very good public transport infrastructure ; - tulips , cheese , windmills , the red light district and coffeeshops ; - We do have 'mandatory ' ID since a while , but nobody takes it serious really ; - Good standard of living ( one of the best in Europe ) ; - relatively low unemployment ; - very low corruption ; - low crime rates ; - scores very high on the list of 'nations that feel happiest ' ; - Chicks dig British accents ; A serious drawback though is an excessive amount of red tape when dealing with local or national government bodies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come to the Netherlands:- right across the pond for you;- Everybody talks English;- True parliamentary democracy;- We have a constitution guarantying your rights;- A Royal Family that provides you a day off a year and a reason to celebrate;- Our Crown Prince is popular and doesn't talk to plants, plus he has a hot hot wife;- Dutch citizens have no restrictions on travel (unlike US citizens, who are prohibited travel to certain countries.
So much for 'freedom');- very good social laws, including universal health care;- very good public transport infrastructure;- tulips, cheese, windmills, the red light district and coffeeshops;- We do have 'mandatory' ID since a while, but nobody takes it serious really;- Good standard of living (one of the best in Europe);- relatively low unemployment;- very low corruption;- low crime rates;- scores very high on the list of 'nations that feel happiest';- Chicks dig British accents;A serious drawback though is an excessive amount of red tape when dealing with local or national government bodies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492431</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246046280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That all sounds pretty cool, but still I do know a lot of people who went their and came back to wherever they came from, crying.</p><p>Granted: the country is a beauty, the food is good and the standard of living is high. A lot of freedoms might be guaranteed by law as well. The Swiss are a tough people to work and live with. They really stick to themselves so it is very hard to integrate. So you will probably end up connecting only to other foreign people you meet there. Oh, and then there is this concept of keeping everything clean and proper that will get on your nerves one day (there are a lot of advantages to it, but it will get on your nerves).</p><p>So although you might have a lot of freedoms, it might not "feel" like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That all sounds pretty cool , but still I do know a lot of people who went their and came back to wherever they came from , crying.Granted : the country is a beauty , the food is good and the standard of living is high .
A lot of freedoms might be guaranteed by law as well .
The Swiss are a tough people to work and live with .
They really stick to themselves so it is very hard to integrate .
So you will probably end up connecting only to other foreign people you meet there .
Oh , and then there is this concept of keeping everything clean and proper that will get on your nerves one day ( there are a lot of advantages to it , but it will get on your nerves ) .So although you might have a lot of freedoms , it might not " feel " like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That all sounds pretty cool, but still I do know a lot of people who went their and came back to wherever they came from, crying.Granted: the country is a beauty, the food is good and the standard of living is high.
A lot of freedoms might be guaranteed by law as well.
The Swiss are a tough people to work and live with.
They really stick to themselves so it is very hard to integrate.
So you will probably end up connecting only to other foreign people you meet there.
Oh, and then there is this concept of keeping everything clean and proper that will get on your nerves one day (there are a lot of advantages to it, but it will get on your nerves).So although you might have a lot of freedoms, it might not "feel" like that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491775</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28501207</id>
	<title>Re:Anarchy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246125960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nope.  Anarchy != Freedom.  In fact, a just government ensures our freedom.  Read up on your Locke.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nope .
Anarchy ! = Freedom .
In fact , a just government ensures our freedom .
Read up on your Locke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nope.
Anarchy != Freedom.
In fact, a just government ensures our freedom.
Read up on your Locke.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494623</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246116720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some parts of Finland are Swedish speaking so you don't \_have\_ to learn Finnish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some parts of Finland are Swedish speaking so you do n't \ _have \ _ to learn Finnish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some parts of Finland are Swedish speaking so you don't \_have\_ to learn Finnish.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492623</id>
	<title>why fleeing?</title>
	<author>teghem</author>
	<datestamp>1246135200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>don't emigrate
fight for your rights</htmltext>
<tokenext>do n't emigrate fight for your rights</tokentext>
<sentencetext>don't emigrate
fight for your rights</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493229</id>
	<title>Democracy</title>
	<author>jedigeek</author>
	<datestamp>1246099080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're bothered about the way your country is being run, why don't you do something to improve it?  The UK is a free country, you're free to take part in politics.  Start by supporting initiatives like no2id.net.</p><p>Every developed country has its share of issues, moving might not be the best solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're bothered about the way your country is being run , why do n't you do something to improve it ?
The UK is a free country , you 're free to take part in politics .
Start by supporting initiatives like no2id.net.Every developed country has its share of issues , moving might not be the best solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're bothered about the way your country is being run, why don't you do something to improve it?
The UK is a free country, you're free to take part in politics.
Start by supporting initiatives like no2id.net.Every developed country has its share of issues, moving might not be the best solution.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28501033</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1246124400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Patriotism is Oxymoron in Globalization.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Patriotism is Oxymoron in Globalization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Patriotism is Oxymoron in Globalization.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491517</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495021</id>
	<title>Re:Anarchy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246120140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Then again, why would onyone want to deal with the corruption or arbitrary goverment decicions confiscating your land or other property over night, or waiting for a construction permit over 19 years? The puzzling question is why it is so difficult to combine the respect for the individual with well functioning goverment?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then again , why would onyone want to deal with the corruption or arbitrary goverment decicions confiscating your land or other property over night , or waiting for a construction permit over 19 years ?
The puzzling question is why it is so difficult to combine the respect for the individual with well functioning goverment ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then again, why would onyone want to deal with the corruption or arbitrary goverment decicions confiscating your land or other property over night, or waiting for a construction permit over 19 years?
The puzzling question is why it is so difficult to combine the respect for the individual with well functioning goverment?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493839</id>
	<title>Asking for public services is part of the problem</title>
	<author>CharlieHedlin</author>
	<datestamp>1246108440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want freedom you need to stop asking for the government to take care of you.  Come to a small government state like Texas or New Hampshire.</p><p>And no, G. W. Bush was not a native Texan, and his record certainly shows he wasn't for a small government.  Problem is that he ran on that platform in 2000, and in 2004 as the incumbent there wasn't a chance to kick him out in the primaries.  So we were left with a big government fraud or an even bigger government liberal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want freedom you need to stop asking for the government to take care of you .
Come to a small government state like Texas or New Hampshire.And no , G. W. Bush was not a native Texan , and his record certainly shows he was n't for a small government .
Problem is that he ran on that platform in 2000 , and in 2004 as the incumbent there was n't a chance to kick him out in the primaries .
So we were left with a big government fraud or an even bigger government liberal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want freedom you need to stop asking for the government to take care of you.
Come to a small government state like Texas or New Hampshire.And no, G. W. Bush was not a native Texan, and his record certainly shows he wasn't for a small government.
Problem is that he ran on that platform in 2000, and in 2004 as the incumbent there wasn't a chance to kick him out in the primaries.
So we were left with a big government fraud or an even bigger government liberal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494289</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>Crypto Gnome</author>
	<datestamp>1246113720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I recommend Switzerland. They have the most democratic and fair government system on the planet (from what I know).</p></div><p>Seriously folks, Switzerland has the best:
</p><ul> <li>Chocolate</li><li>clocks</li><li>army knives</li><li>government</li><li>chees</li><li>scenery</li></ul><p>And their wimmin-folk aren't as ugly as most (must be all that quality chocolate, and good healthy living).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I recommend Switzerland .
They have the most democratic and fair government system on the planet ( from what I know ) .Seriously folks , Switzerland has the best : Chocolateclocksarmy knivesgovernmentcheessceneryAnd their wimmin-folk are n't as ugly as most ( must be all that quality chocolate , and good healthy living ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recommend Switzerland.
They have the most democratic and fair government system on the planet (from what I know).Seriously folks, Switzerland has the best:
 Chocolateclocksarmy knivesgovernmentcheessceneryAnd their wimmin-folk aren't as ugly as most (must be all that quality chocolate, and good healthy living).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491775</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492657</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1246135680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>#6: Stick around a few years and watch the economy tank.</htmltext>
<tokenext># 6 : Stick around a few years and watch the economy tank .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>#6: Stick around a few years and watch the economy tank.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491397</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492067</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>carping demon</author>
	<datestamp>1246042320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I gotta say, man, Planesdragon speaks truth.  No matter how else we may f**k up, you just  can't beat that 1st amendment, and I've never heard of another place which has anything like it. I can stand on the street corner and shout as long as I want that Muslims and queers and cops stink, and several decent people may wait in line to beat the crap out of me, but I have nothing to fear from the state.  Even as a visitor, you would have the same freedom.  Of course, there's a constant struggle between those who value that freedom and those, some very powerful,  who , for their own benighted reasons, seek to suborn and disfigure it.  But that happens everywhere.  Three hundred years isn't a long time, compared to how long the UK has been there, but every time there's been a serious threat to that right,  and there have been several, Americans  have risen to reaffirm  it.  For that reason alone, I would say the US would be your best bet.  And most people here would agree. Just sayin'.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got ta say , man , Planesdragon speaks truth .
No matter how else we may f * * k up , you just ca n't beat that 1st amendment , and I 've never heard of another place which has anything like it .
I can stand on the street corner and shout as long as I want that Muslims and queers and cops stink , and several decent people may wait in line to beat the crap out of me , but I have nothing to fear from the state .
Even as a visitor , you would have the same freedom .
Of course , there 's a constant struggle between those who value that freedom and those , some very powerful , who , for their own benighted reasons , seek to suborn and disfigure it .
But that happens everywhere .
Three hundred years is n't a long time , compared to how long the UK has been there , but every time there 's been a serious threat to that right , and there have been several , Americans have risen to reaffirm it .
For that reason alone , I would say the US would be your best bet .
And most people here would agree .
Just sayin' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I gotta say, man, Planesdragon speaks truth.
No matter how else we may f**k up, you just  can't beat that 1st amendment, and I've never heard of another place which has anything like it.
I can stand on the street corner and shout as long as I want that Muslims and queers and cops stink, and several decent people may wait in line to beat the crap out of me, but I have nothing to fear from the state.
Even as a visitor, you would have the same freedom.
Of course, there's a constant struggle between those who value that freedom and those, some very powerful,  who , for their own benighted reasons, seek to suborn and disfigure it.
But that happens everywhere.
Three hundred years isn't a long time, compared to how long the UK has been there, but every time there's been a serious threat to that right,  and there have been several, Americans  have risen to reaffirm  it.
For that reason alone, I would say the US would be your best bet.
And most people here would agree.
Just sayin'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494655</id>
	<title>False Assumptions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246117140000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately, you are laboring under false assumptions. There are no other "Free Countries" any more and one of your criteria spells it out, "provision of public services". Once you involve the government in Public Services, it has to be paid for, it gets paid for by taxes, once they attach to your money, they own you. See?
America, land of the free...the free to be taxed at 38\% of their income, 25\% of their purchases, and just about every-other tax you can think of. All to pay for things that we don't need, and we don't want.
A free country would follow their "constitution" or other governing document...our Government isn't supposed to charge an income tax...read the Constitution, it is supposed to charge tariffs, which it doesn't do...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , you are laboring under false assumptions .
There are no other " Free Countries " any more and one of your criteria spells it out , " provision of public services " .
Once you involve the government in Public Services , it has to be paid for , it gets paid for by taxes , once they attach to your money , they own you .
See ? America , land of the free...the free to be taxed at 38 \ % of their income , 25 \ % of their purchases , and just about every-other tax you can think of .
All to pay for things that we do n't need , and we do n't want .
A free country would follow their " constitution " or other governing document...our Government is n't supposed to charge an income tax...read the Constitution , it is supposed to charge tariffs , which it does n't do.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, you are laboring under false assumptions.
There are no other "Free Countries" any more and one of your criteria spells it out, "provision of public services".
Once you involve the government in Public Services, it has to be paid for, it gets paid for by taxes, once they attach to your money, they own you.
See?
America, land of the free...the free to be taxed at 38\% of their income, 25\% of their purchases, and just about every-other tax you can think of.
All to pay for things that we don't need, and we don't want.
A free country would follow their "constitution" or other governing document...our Government isn't supposed to charge an income tax...read the Constitution, it is supposed to charge tariffs, which it doesn't do...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28506829</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246182480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>If you opt for New Zealand (I would), consider joining the New Z-land Project (http://www.new-zland.com/). You would be as free as can be, and you could even help other people be more free as well! I live in Canada right now, and things a quite good here too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you opt for New Zealand ( I would ) , consider joining the New Z-land Project ( http : //www.new-zland.com/ ) .
You would be as free as can be , and you could even help other people be more free as well !
I live in Canada right now , and things a quite good here too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you opt for New Zealand (I would), consider joining the New Z-land Project (http://www.new-zland.com/).
You would be as free as can be, and you could even help other people be more free as well!
I live in Canada right now, and things a quite good here too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492975</id>
	<title>The other option.</title>
	<author>lattyware</author>
	<datestamp>1246095840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Vote for Cameron and hope that he follows through on <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1195374/Cameron-pledges-war-Big-Brother-state-opening-government-voters.html" title="dailymail.co.uk">his promises</a> [dailymail.co.uk]. If he does, problem solved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Vote for Cameron and hope that he follows through on his promises [ dailymail.co.uk ] .
If he does , problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vote for Cameron and hope that he follows through on his promises [dailymail.co.uk].
If he does, problem solved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493075</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246097100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Finland also had women's suffrage in 1906</p></div><p>Today our thoughts go to all the poor women out there. We must end women's suffrage!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Finland also had women 's suffrage in 1906Today our thoughts go to all the poor women out there .
We must end women 's suffrage !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finland also had women's suffrage in 1906Today our thoughts go to all the poor women out there.
We must end women's suffrage!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492155</id>
	<title>Agora!  Anarchy!  Action!</title>
	<author>inertia@yahoo.com</author>
	<datestamp>1246043160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>May I suggest that you instead stay put and study Agorism: <a href="http://www.agorism.info/" title="agorism.info" rel="nofollow">http://www.agorism.info/</a> [agorism.info]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>May I suggest that you instead stay put and study Agorism : http : //www.agorism.info/ [ agorism.info ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>May I suggest that you instead stay put and study Agorism: http://www.agorism.info/ [agorism.info]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492203</id>
	<title>I'd say the United States</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246043760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Look, nowhere is perfect - sounds like you'd like to move to some sort of paradise, a perfect place, which does not exist, because people are not perfect, and even if they were, each person would be perfectly different from the other.</p><p>I've been to many places, and I decided to settle in the United States, more specifically the Bay Area.  This is a country that received me with open arms, and as long as you play by the rules, work hard and smart, you can succeed on anything you want. Especially here in the Bay Area, nobody is going to bother you because of your race, color, religion, sexual orientation, political affiliation or anything.</p><p>May God continue to bless America</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , nowhere is perfect - sounds like you 'd like to move to some sort of paradise , a perfect place , which does not exist , because people are not perfect , and even if they were , each person would be perfectly different from the other.I 've been to many places , and I decided to settle in the United States , more specifically the Bay Area .
This is a country that received me with open arms , and as long as you play by the rules , work hard and smart , you can succeed on anything you want .
Especially here in the Bay Area , nobody is going to bother you because of your race , color , religion , sexual orientation , political affiliation or anything.May God continue to bless America</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, nowhere is perfect - sounds like you'd like to move to some sort of paradise, a perfect place, which does not exist, because people are not perfect, and even if they were, each person would be perfectly different from the other.I've been to many places, and I decided to settle in the United States, more specifically the Bay Area.
This is a country that received me with open arms, and as long as you play by the rules, work hard and smart, you can succeed on anything you want.
Especially here in the Bay Area, nobody is going to bother you because of your race, color, religion, sexual orientation, political affiliation or anything.May God continue to bless America</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492075</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246042440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't listen to the crap you might see from the libertarians on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.  The USA is a great place to come if your own country is becoming more repressive than you like.  Here's my best argument ("best" at 12:30 saturday morning.)</p><p>#1: We have rights of expression, assembly, thought, speech, and, yes, privacy enshrined in the Constitution.  All the UK really has is the continued good will of the crown (or, if you rather, the respect for history in Parliament.)</p></div><p>However, the written constitution has been immensely devalued by many years of governments and Supreme Courts changing its meaning, to the point that it needs a revolution to reinstate it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>We do, in fact, have the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) specifically so we can unseat any tyrant who tries to take our rights away.</p></div><p>However, while that was specifically the right to bear arms in order that a militia can enforce a change of government willed by the people, there is no longer any realistic possibility of a militia overthrowing the US government by force; the only way to do that would be with WMDs, and for some reason the very weapons that are protected by the second amendment (those which could be used to overthrow a bad government) cannot be obtained by militias.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>#2: As a culture, we prize freedom the way Israel prizes "never again" or Iran prizes "Islam".  "I just want to be left alone" is the only argument you'll need to get any American on your side.  Our two major political parties argue about how we collaborate on things, and where we should extend legal privileges -- NOT on how free we should be. </p></div><p>Not very true.  Given that there's no such thing as absolute freedom, there are endless tensions about the relative merits of different approaches.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>(At least, not the serious ones.)</p><p>#3: America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era.  We do reactions VERY well in this country -- and that means the principle sin of the Bush, era, "sacraficing liberty for security", is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years.  If ever.</p><p>#4: you'd be in the same country as<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.!</p><p>#5: From a feudalistic standpoint, you would go from being a subject of a crown to a citizen of a country -- theoretically speaking, from a king's slave to a king's peer.</p></div><p>But you'll move from a country where you're free to use your own judgment in deciding where to cross the road to one where doing so is against the law, and from one where you're free to express yourself without worrying about wackos with guns to one where you have to keep quiet in case the person you address is crazy and armed.  You'll be moving to a country where you almost always have to be rich to be successful in politics, and to one where the government kills people in the name of justice and fails to provide a tolerable level of healthcare for a large fraction of its own population.  You'll move to the country that not so long ago started a war that was probably illegal (and violated its own constitution in so doing, because Congress did not declare the war), that has condoned the use of practices widely considered to be torture.  A country whose constitution prohibits government from involvement in religion, but whose currency and pledge of allegiance both contain religious messages.  And a country with more lawyers per capita than anywhere else, mostly making life worse for people who can't afford armies of lawyers.  A country with the world's most stifling patent system, and one which is deeply in denial about its own realities.</p><p>There's a lot to like about the US, but you won't find out about it on Slashdot.  There's also a lot to like about the UK, and you won't find out about that on Slashdot either.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Do n't listen to the crap you might see from the libertarians on / .
The USA is a great place to come if your own country is becoming more repressive than you like .
Here 's my best argument ( " best " at 12 : 30 saturday morning .
) # 1 : We have rights of expression , assembly , thought , speech , and , yes , privacy enshrined in the Constitution .
All the UK really has is the continued good will of the crown ( or , if you rather , the respect for history in Parliament .
) However , the written constitution has been immensely devalued by many years of governments and Supreme Courts changing its meaning , to the point that it needs a revolution to reinstate it.We do , in fact , have the 2nd amendment ( right to bear arms ) specifically so we can unseat any tyrant who tries to take our rights away.However , while that was specifically the right to bear arms in order that a militia can enforce a change of government willed by the people , there is no longer any realistic possibility of a militia overthrowing the US government by force ; the only way to do that would be with WMDs , and for some reason the very weapons that are protected by the second amendment ( those which could be used to overthrow a bad government ) can not be obtained by militias. # 2 : As a culture , we prize freedom the way Israel prizes " never again " or Iran prizes " Islam " .
" I just want to be left alone " is the only argument you 'll need to get any American on your side .
Our two major political parties argue about how we collaborate on things , and where we should extend legal privileges -- NOT on how free we should be .
Not very true .
Given that there 's no such thing as absolute freedom , there are endless tensions about the relative merits of different approaches .
( At least , not the serious ones .
) # 3 : America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era .
We do reactions VERY well in this country -- and that means the principle sin of the Bush , era , " sacraficing liberty for security " , is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years .
If ever. # 4 : you 'd be in the same country as / .
! # 5 : From a feudalistic standpoint , you would go from being a subject of a crown to a citizen of a country -- theoretically speaking , from a king 's slave to a king 's peer.But you 'll move from a country where you 're free to use your own judgment in deciding where to cross the road to one where doing so is against the law , and from one where you 're free to express yourself without worrying about wackos with guns to one where you have to keep quiet in case the person you address is crazy and armed .
You 'll be moving to a country where you almost always have to be rich to be successful in politics , and to one where the government kills people in the name of justice and fails to provide a tolerable level of healthcare for a large fraction of its own population .
You 'll move to the country that not so long ago started a war that was probably illegal ( and violated its own constitution in so doing , because Congress did not declare the war ) , that has condoned the use of practices widely considered to be torture .
A country whose constitution prohibits government from involvement in religion , but whose currency and pledge of allegiance both contain religious messages .
And a country with more lawyers per capita than anywhere else , mostly making life worse for people who ca n't afford armies of lawyers .
A country with the world 's most stifling patent system , and one which is deeply in denial about its own realities.There 's a lot to like about the US , but you wo n't find out about it on Slashdot .
There 's also a lot to like about the UK , and you wo n't find out about that on Slashdot either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't listen to the crap you might see from the libertarians on /.
The USA is a great place to come if your own country is becoming more repressive than you like.
Here's my best argument ("best" at 12:30 saturday morning.
)#1: We have rights of expression, assembly, thought, speech, and, yes, privacy enshrined in the Constitution.
All the UK really has is the continued good will of the crown (or, if you rather, the respect for history in Parliament.
)However, the written constitution has been immensely devalued by many years of governments and Supreme Courts changing its meaning, to the point that it needs a revolution to reinstate it.We do, in fact, have the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms) specifically so we can unseat any tyrant who tries to take our rights away.However, while that was specifically the right to bear arms in order that a militia can enforce a change of government willed by the people, there is no longer any realistic possibility of a militia overthrowing the US government by force; the only way to do that would be with WMDs, and for some reason the very weapons that are protected by the second amendment (those which could be used to overthrow a bad government) cannot be obtained by militias.#2: As a culture, we prize freedom the way Israel prizes "never again" or Iran prizes "Islam".
"I just want to be left alone" is the only argument you'll need to get any American on your side.
Our two major political parties argue about how we collaborate on things, and where we should extend legal privileges -- NOT on how free we should be.
Not very true.
Given that there's no such thing as absolute freedom, there are endless tensions about the relative merits of different approaches.
(At least, not the serious ones.
)#3: America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era.
We do reactions VERY well in this country -- and that means the principle sin of the Bush, era, "sacraficing liberty for security", is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years.
If ever.#4: you'd be in the same country as /.
!#5: From a feudalistic standpoint, you would go from being a subject of a crown to a citizen of a country -- theoretically speaking, from a king's slave to a king's peer.But you'll move from a country where you're free to use your own judgment in deciding where to cross the road to one where doing so is against the law, and from one where you're free to express yourself without worrying about wackos with guns to one where you have to keep quiet in case the person you address is crazy and armed.
You'll be moving to a country where you almost always have to be rich to be successful in politics, and to one where the government kills people in the name of justice and fails to provide a tolerable level of healthcare for a large fraction of its own population.
You'll move to the country that not so long ago started a war that was probably illegal (and violated its own constitution in so doing, because Congress did not declare the war), that has condoned the use of practices widely considered to be torture.
A country whose constitution prohibits government from involvement in religion, but whose currency and pledge of allegiance both contain religious messages.
And a country with more lawyers per capita than anywhere else, mostly making life worse for people who can't afford armies of lawyers.
A country with the world's most stifling patent system, and one which is deeply in denial about its own realities.There's a lot to like about the US, but you won't find out about it on Slashdot.
There's also a lot to like about the UK, and you won't find out about that on Slashdot either.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28501223</id>
	<title>Bob the Yank</title>
	<author>Bob the Yank</author>
	<datestamp>1246126080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I emigrated from the US to Tasmania, Australia nearly 40 years ago and have never regretted the move.  For what it's worth, emmigrants to New Zealand and Australia (in that order) have been found to be happer than emmigrants to anywhere else.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I emigrated from the US to Tasmania , Australia nearly 40 years ago and have never regretted the move .
For what it 's worth , emmigrants to New Zealand and Australia ( in that order ) have been found to be happer than emmigrants to anywhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I emigrated from the US to Tasmania, Australia nearly 40 years ago and have never regretted the move.
For what it's worth, emmigrants to New Zealand and Australia (in that order) have been found to be happer than emmigrants to anywhere else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492025</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246041900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Although I do find that having at least two public service adverts every commercial break, telling you how to drive or feed your baby, incredibly annoying.</p><p>Anyway, NZ sure doesn't have the police state laws that UK seems to have but the political system is such that the Government can pretty much legislate how they want (no upper house, no entrenched bill of rights, no entrenched human rights etc) - so a paranoid executive could quickly lead the country down the UK's path.<br>There have been many abuses of power by the NZ government (eg the 'clyde dam affair' where the govt used legislation to get its way and build a dam, after the courts supported an appeal against it), most recently<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New\_Zealand\_foreshore\_and\_seabed\_controversy<br>although this was shrouded in knee-jerk bullshit, the simple fact was that once again the govt didn't like a court decision so passed legislation to circumvent it.<br>Democratic principles anyone? Rule of law?<br>Just because NZ touts itself as a forward thinking, liberal wonderland, and the rest of the world basically has no idea where it even is, doesn't mean it's 'free'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Although I do find that having at least two public service adverts every commercial break , telling you how to drive or feed your baby , incredibly annoying.Anyway , NZ sure does n't have the police state laws that UK seems to have but the political system is such that the Government can pretty much legislate how they want ( no upper house , no entrenched bill of rights , no entrenched human rights etc ) - so a paranoid executive could quickly lead the country down the UK 's path.There have been many abuses of power by the NZ government ( eg the 'clyde dam affair ' where the govt used legislation to get its way and build a dam , after the courts supported an appeal against it ) , most recentlyhttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New \ _Zealand \ _foreshore \ _and \ _seabed \ _controversyalthough this was shrouded in knee-jerk bullshit , the simple fact was that once again the govt did n't like a court decision so passed legislation to circumvent it.Democratic principles anyone ?
Rule of law ? Just because NZ touts itself as a forward thinking , liberal wonderland , and the rest of the world basically has no idea where it even is , does n't mean it 's 'free' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although I do find that having at least two public service adverts every commercial break, telling you how to drive or feed your baby, incredibly annoying.Anyway, NZ sure doesn't have the police state laws that UK seems to have but the political system is such that the Government can pretty much legislate how they want (no upper house, no entrenched bill of rights, no entrenched human rights etc) - so a paranoid executive could quickly lead the country down the UK's path.There have been many abuses of power by the NZ government (eg the 'clyde dam affair' where the govt used legislation to get its way and build a dam, after the courts supported an appeal against it), most recentlyhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New\_Zealand\_foreshore\_and\_seabed\_controversyalthough this was shrouded in knee-jerk bullshit, the simple fact was that once again the govt didn't like a court decision so passed legislation to circumvent it.Democratic principles anyone?
Rule of law?Just because NZ touts itself as a forward thinking, liberal wonderland, and the rest of the world basically has no idea where it even is, doesn't mean it's 'free'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493163</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246098180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Came here to say that + just stop reading the Daily Mail with its sensationalist journalism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Came here to say that + just stop reading the Daily Mail with its sensationalist journalism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Came here to say that + just stop reading the Daily Mail with its sensationalist journalism.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495703</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246125600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And his mother is a random person who has happened to give him birth? That's bull.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And his mother is a random person who has happened to give him birth ?
That 's bull .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And his mother is a random person who has happened to give him birth?
That's bull.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491471</id>
	<title>New Zealand</title>
	<author>Binkleyz</author>
	<datestamp>1246037640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Jokes about "Flight of the Conchords" (and sheep) aside, New Zealand is a modern, English speaking, very politically free and open country.. They are very much a part of the "First World", but so far have avoided many of the more "Police State-y" laws and regulations that you seem eager to be away from.
<p>
They have a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-Life\_Index" title="wikipedia.org">"Quality of Life"</a> [wikipedia.org] score just below the US and considerably better than the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jokes about " Flight of the Conchords " ( and sheep ) aside , New Zealand is a modern , English speaking , very politically free and open country.. They are very much a part of the " First World " , but so far have avoided many of the more " Police State-y " laws and regulations that you seem eager to be away from .
They have a " Quality of Life " [ wikipedia.org ] score just below the US and considerably better than the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jokes about "Flight of the Conchords" (and sheep) aside, New Zealand is a modern, English speaking, very politically free and open country.. They are very much a part of the "First World", but so far have avoided many of the more "Police State-y" laws and regulations that you seem eager to be away from.
They have a "Quality of Life" [wikipedia.org] score just below the US and considerably better than the UK.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493333</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246100580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Income is low though (and modern might be a stretch at times). Nanny state has the potential to be a problem here. Also many sheep have been replaced by dairy cows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Income is low though ( and modern might be a stretch at times ) .
Nanny state has the potential to be a problem here .
Also many sheep have been replaced by dairy cows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Income is low though (and modern might be a stretch at times).
Nanny state has the potential to be a problem here.
Also many sheep have been replaced by dairy cows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493203</id>
	<title>Conservatives and ID Cards</title>
	<author>dannywoodz</author>
	<datestamp>1246098720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interesting that two of your concerns about the UK are mandatory ID cards and a future Conservative government, given that the two are <a href="http://www.conservatives.com/News/News\_stories/2009/06/A\_Conservative\_government\_will\_scrap\_the\_ID\_Card\_scheme.aspx" title="conservatives.com" rel="nofollow">mutually exclusive</a> [conservatives.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting that two of your concerns about the UK are mandatory ID cards and a future Conservative government , given that the two are mutually exclusive [ conservatives.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting that two of your concerns about the UK are mandatory ID cards and a future Conservative government, given that the two are mutually exclusive [conservatives.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492967</id>
	<title>First</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1246095660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>First start with finding what countries are willing to have you.  The list may be depressingly short unless you really are a superstar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First start with finding what countries are willing to have you .
The list may be depressingly short unless you really are a superstar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First start with finding what countries are willing to have you.
The list may be depressingly short unless you really are a superstar.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491785</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246039920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>#1: We have rights of expression, assembly, thought, speech, and, yes, privacy enshrined in the Constitution. </i></p><p>assembly:  Three words for you - Free speech zones<br>thought: Didn't we just see a story about a man arrested for possessing child porn that didn't actually depict children?<br>privacy: Well, minus the wiretapping... and the GOP's insane desire to dictate what goes on in people's bedrooms.</p><p>Speech I'll give you, though... the US has been pretty strong about protecting speech... to the point that donating money even qualifies as speech, hence why bribary... err, that is, lobbying is legal.</p><p><i>#2: As a culture, we prize freedom the way Israel prizes "never again" or Iran prizes "Islam". </i></p><p>Well, unless you're caught using harmless drugs, or urinating in public, in which case you'll get a disproportionate sentence, and in the latter case, a scarlet letter as a bonus.</p><p>And if you want to be free to, say, marry the person you love, well, you're screwed there, too.</p><p>Basically you're free to do whatever you want as long as the moral majority has decided it's okay.</p><p><i>#3: America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era.</i></p><p>I'd ask the LGBT community how that's going.  They might disagree.</p><p>Alright alright, yeah, he's better than Bush... but that ain't saying much, and thus far, I'd say the jury's out on just how much better.</p><p><i>#4: you'd be in the same country as<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.!</i></p><p>I thought this was a list of reasons to move to the US...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p><i>#5: From a feudalistic standpoint, you would go from being a subject of a crown to a citizen of a country</i></p><p>*snicker*  Please... anyone who's lived in a commonwealth country will tell you that the "subject of a crown" BS is nothing but a formality.  You know, kinda like American representative democracy. *duck*!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext># 1 : We have rights of expression , assembly , thought , speech , and , yes , privacy enshrined in the Constitution .
assembly : Three words for you - Free speech zonesthought : Did n't we just see a story about a man arrested for possessing child porn that did n't actually depict children ? privacy : Well , minus the wiretapping... and the GOP 's insane desire to dictate what goes on in people 's bedrooms.Speech I 'll give you , though... the US has been pretty strong about protecting speech... to the point that donating money even qualifies as speech , hence why bribary... err , that is , lobbying is legal. # 2 : As a culture , we prize freedom the way Israel prizes " never again " or Iran prizes " Islam " .
Well , unless you 're caught using harmless drugs , or urinating in public , in which case you 'll get a disproportionate sentence , and in the latter case , a scarlet letter as a bonus.And if you want to be free to , say , marry the person you love , well , you 're screwed there , too.Basically you 're free to do whatever you want as long as the moral majority has decided it 's okay. # 3 : America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era.I 'd ask the LGBT community how that 's going .
They might disagree.Alright alright , yeah , he 's better than Bush... but that ai n't saying much , and thus far , I 'd say the jury 's out on just how much better. # 4 : you 'd be in the same country as / .
! I thought this was a list of reasons to move to the US... : ) # 5 : From a feudalistic standpoint , you would go from being a subject of a crown to a citizen of a country * snicker * Please... anyone who 's lived in a commonwealth country will tell you that the " subject of a crown " BS is nothing but a formality .
You know , kinda like American representative democracy .
* duck * ! ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>#1: We have rights of expression, assembly, thought, speech, and, yes, privacy enshrined in the Constitution.
assembly:  Three words for you - Free speech zonesthought: Didn't we just see a story about a man arrested for possessing child porn that didn't actually depict children?privacy: Well, minus the wiretapping... and the GOP's insane desire to dictate what goes on in people's bedrooms.Speech I'll give you, though... the US has been pretty strong about protecting speech... to the point that donating money even qualifies as speech, hence why bribary... err, that is, lobbying is legal.#2: As a culture, we prize freedom the way Israel prizes "never again" or Iran prizes "Islam".
Well, unless you're caught using harmless drugs, or urinating in public, in which case you'll get a disproportionate sentence, and in the latter case, a scarlet letter as a bonus.And if you want to be free to, say, marry the person you love, well, you're screwed there, too.Basically you're free to do whatever you want as long as the moral majority has decided it's okay.#3: America is currently in the beginings of its post-Bush era.I'd ask the LGBT community how that's going.
They might disagree.Alright alright, yeah, he's better than Bush... but that ain't saying much, and thus far, I'd say the jury's out on just how much better.#4: you'd be in the same country as /.
!I thought this was a list of reasons to move to the US... :)#5: From a feudalistic standpoint, you would go from being a subject of a crown to a citizen of a country*snicker*  Please... anyone who's lived in a commonwealth country will tell you that the "subject of a crown" BS is nothing but a formality.
You know, kinda like American representative democracy.
*duck*! ;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491981</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>evilviper</author>
	<datestamp>1246041480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the above points are good ones, but others may be more important.</p><p>The US is HUGE and extremely diverse.  Pick your climate, scenery, culture, government, etc., and you'll find it somewhere in the US.</p><p>Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the US, though there certainly are hoops to jump through.</p><p>With the exchange rate what it is, you'll find yourself pretty well off after converting your savings.</p><p>While jobs may not pay what you'd expect, with the considerably lower cost of living in most areas, less expensive products, and much lower taxes, I expect you'll find yourself better off.</p><p>I just happen to know 3 British Ex-pats here in Southern California, all of them all seemingly content with their near minimum-wage jobs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the above points are good ones , but others may be more important.The US is HUGE and extremely diverse .
Pick your climate , scenery , culture , government , etc. , and you 'll find it somewhere in the US.Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the US , though there certainly are hoops to jump through.With the exchange rate what it is , you 'll find yourself pretty well off after converting your savings.While jobs may not pay what you 'd expect , with the considerably lower cost of living in most areas , less expensive products , and much lower taxes , I expect you 'll find yourself better off.I just happen to know 3 British Ex-pats here in Southern California , all of them all seemingly content with their near minimum-wage jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the above points are good ones, but others may be more important.The US is HUGE and extremely diverse.
Pick your climate, scenery, culture, government, etc., and you'll find it somewhere in the US.Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the US, though there certainly are hoops to jump through.With the exchange rate what it is, you'll find yourself pretty well off after converting your savings.While jobs may not pay what you'd expect, with the considerably lower cost of living in most areas, less expensive products, and much lower taxes, I expect you'll find yourself better off.I just happen to know 3 British Ex-pats here in Southern California, all of them all seemingly content with their near minimum-wage jobs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494369</id>
	<title>Re:UK will get better</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1246114440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>My prediction is that while the UK is probably the worst English-speaking country in the world in terms of civil liberties and privacy right now, it will be one of the first to get a cluestick.</i></p><p>If that <i>is</i> going to happen, it won't until the fear of terrorism dies down, and that probably won't happen for another generation or so.</p><p>Last I heard, the UK government uses the spectre of terrorism as their excuse for every single fascist thing they do.  From the cameras and assorted forms of spying, to all the rest of it.</p><p>The public needs to stop falling for terrorism as a bogeyman, and realise that it is nothing but a con game from government to boost its' own power.  Unfortunately, at the moment all the government needs to do is point to the London tube bombing, and the sheep will obediently fall into line.</p><p>Given who the primary beneficiaries of terrorism have really been, it sort of makes you wonder who, in reality, was possibly responsible for the various bombings, doesn't it?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My prediction is that while the UK is probably the worst English-speaking country in the world in terms of civil liberties and privacy right now , it will be one of the first to get a cluestick.If that is going to happen , it wo n't until the fear of terrorism dies down , and that probably wo n't happen for another generation or so.Last I heard , the UK government uses the spectre of terrorism as their excuse for every single fascist thing they do .
From the cameras and assorted forms of spying , to all the rest of it.The public needs to stop falling for terrorism as a bogeyman , and realise that it is nothing but a con game from government to boost its ' own power .
Unfortunately , at the moment all the government needs to do is point to the London tube bombing , and the sheep will obediently fall into line.Given who the primary beneficiaries of terrorism have really been , it sort of makes you wonder who , in reality , was possibly responsible for the various bombings , does n't it ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My prediction is that while the UK is probably the worst English-speaking country in the world in terms of civil liberties and privacy right now, it will be one of the first to get a cluestick.If that is going to happen, it won't until the fear of terrorism dies down, and that probably won't happen for another generation or so.Last I heard, the UK government uses the spectre of terrorism as their excuse for every single fascist thing they do.
From the cameras and assorted forms of spying, to all the rest of it.The public needs to stop falling for terrorism as a bogeyman, and realise that it is nothing but a con game from government to boost its' own power.
Unfortunately, at the moment all the government needs to do is point to the London tube bombing, and the sheep will obediently fall into line.Given who the primary beneficiaries of terrorism have really been, it sort of makes you wonder who, in reality, was possibly responsible for the various bombings, doesn't it?
;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493695</id>
	<title>Think again</title>
	<author>OldCrasher</author>
	<datestamp>1246106220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Political asylum is a mugs game. The grass is always the same shade of green of the other side of the fence, which ever way you go.</p><p>You need a better angle.</p><p>I chose Climatological Asylum. The weather is miserable in the UK (most years, though not this by all accounts), with cold damp winters leading to cold damp summers. It made me really depressed, so I fled. Love New Mexico, much better weather. And the grass is always browner on the other side of the fence!</p><p>Only the Icelandic people would think you stupid from fleeing on climatological grounds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Political asylum is a mugs game .
The grass is always the same shade of green of the other side of the fence , which ever way you go.You need a better angle.I chose Climatological Asylum .
The weather is miserable in the UK ( most years , though not this by all accounts ) , with cold damp winters leading to cold damp summers .
It made me really depressed , so I fled .
Love New Mexico , much better weather .
And the grass is always browner on the other side of the fence ! Only the Icelandic people would think you stupid from fleeing on climatological grounds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Political asylum is a mugs game.
The grass is always the same shade of green of the other side of the fence, which ever way you go.You need a better angle.I chose Climatological Asylum.
The weather is miserable in the UK (most years, though not this by all accounts), with cold damp winters leading to cold damp summers.
It made me really depressed, so I fled.
Love New Mexico, much better weather.
And the grass is always browner on the other side of the fence!Only the Icelandic people would think you stupid from fleeing on climatological grounds.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491265</id>
	<title>What languages?</title>
	<author>squisher</author>
	<datestamp>1246036320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh come on, if you're asking about this issue seriously, how can you omit what languages you speak?</p><p>If you only speak English, then your options are obviously limited, the English speaking countries are quickly enumerated.</p><p>Or, if you are willing to learn a language, then that is an important piece of the puzzle, isn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh come on , if you 're asking about this issue seriously , how can you omit what languages you speak ? If you only speak English , then your options are obviously limited , the English speaking countries are quickly enumerated.Or , if you are willing to learn a language , then that is an important piece of the puzzle , is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh come on, if you're asking about this issue seriously, how can you omit what languages you speak?If you only speak English, then your options are obviously limited, the English speaking countries are quickly enumerated.Or, if you are willing to learn a language, then that is an important piece of the puzzle, isn't it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492887</id>
	<title>Re:List of Countries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246094700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Straight from the horse's mouth: <a href="http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/" title="undp.org" rel="nofollow">http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/</a> [undp.org]<br>With som additional statistics and explanations.</p><p>My home country, Sweden (#7 in the HDI list), seem to be the best country at empovering women (GDI). I'm not very surprised as there has for decades been a steady stream of enterprising women from all parts of the world migrating to Sweden because they don't get the same chances in their home countries. But I am a bit disappointed as there is still some gender discrimination in Sweden and I thought there would be at least some countries where they treat their women better.</p><p>Sigh, and there where just some guy being prosecuted, in Sweden, for linking to a live, and legal, video stream of a hockey game.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Straight from the horse 's mouth : http : //hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/ [ undp.org ] With som additional statistics and explanations.My home country , Sweden ( # 7 in the HDI list ) , seem to be the best country at empovering women ( GDI ) .
I 'm not very surprised as there has for decades been a steady stream of enterprising women from all parts of the world migrating to Sweden because they do n't get the same chances in their home countries .
But I am a bit disappointed as there is still some gender discrimination in Sweden and I thought there would be at least some countries where they treat their women better.Sigh , and there where just some guy being prosecuted , in Sweden , for linking to a live , and legal , video stream of a hockey game .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Straight from the horse's mouth: http://hdr.undp.org/en/statistics/ [undp.org]With som additional statistics and explanations.My home country, Sweden (#7 in the HDI list), seem to be the best country at empovering women (GDI).
I'm not very surprised as there has for decades been a steady stream of enterprising women from all parts of the world migrating to Sweden because they don't get the same chances in their home countries.
But I am a bit disappointed as there is still some gender discrimination in Sweden and I thought there would be at least some countries where they treat their women better.Sigh, and there where just some guy being prosecuted, in Sweden, for linking to a live, and legal, video stream of a hockey game.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495803</id>
	<title>Antarctica</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246126560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Antarctica, no government pushing you around out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Antarctica , no government pushing you around out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Antarctica, no government pushing you around out there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492147</id>
	<title>Not the solution?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246043100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you, who sees the privacy eroding in the UK, decide to leave, doesn't that leave a greater percentage of the population residing in the UK who doesn't see this problem?</p><p>Sure, perhaps an oppressive country shrinking in population is a good thing, but what about staying and fighting to change things?</p><p>In contrast, living in the States, do I leave my state to find another state that has a more progressive tax system, or do I stay here trying to reform what's going on? Although not privacy related, still.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you , who sees the privacy eroding in the UK , decide to leave , does n't that leave a greater percentage of the population residing in the UK who does n't see this problem ? Sure , perhaps an oppressive country shrinking in population is a good thing , but what about staying and fighting to change things ? In contrast , living in the States , do I leave my state to find another state that has a more progressive tax system , or do I stay here trying to reform what 's going on ?
Although not privacy related , still .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you, who sees the privacy eroding in the UK, decide to leave, doesn't that leave a greater percentage of the population residing in the UK who doesn't see this problem?Sure, perhaps an oppressive country shrinking in population is a good thing, but what about staying and fighting to change things?In contrast, living in the States, do I leave my state to find another state that has a more progressive tax system, or do I stay here trying to reform what's going on?
Although not privacy related, still.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492091</id>
	<title>Revolt</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246042560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Screw that man where is your British spirit?, you should be raising hell and over throwing your government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw that man where is your British spirit ? , you should be raising hell and over throwing your government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw that man where is your British spirit?, you should be raising hell and over throwing your government.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492041</id>
	<title>Greece</title>
	<author>tirerim</author>
	<datestamp>1246042080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At least, as of a year and a half ago, according to the <a href="http://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd\%5B347\%5D=x-347-559597" title="privacyinternational.org">State of Privacy Map</a> [privacyinternational.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least , as of a year and a half ago , according to the State of Privacy Map [ privacyinternational.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least, as of a year and a half ago, according to the State of Privacy Map [privacyinternational.org].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492017</id>
	<title>Declare independence and start your own state</title>
	<author>gzipped\_tar</author>
	<datestamp>1246041840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frestonia" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">like your fellow Brits once did</a> [wikipedia.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>... like your fellow Brits once did [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... like your fellow Brits once did [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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	<title>And what have you done to reverse that trend?</title>
	<author>macbeth66</author>
	<datestamp>1246101300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dammit, people!  Freedom is NOT FREE!  You have to work at it.  I love people who sit back and do nothing and then complain when things are not to their liking.</p><p>To the OP, you live in the UK.  Do you really think there is another place that is practically better?  You may not be in the best place to live, but not far from it.  Get involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dammit , people !
Freedom is NOT FREE !
You have to work at it .
I love people who sit back and do nothing and then complain when things are not to their liking.To the OP , you live in the UK .
Do you really think there is another place that is practically better ?
You may not be in the best place to live , but not far from it .
Get involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dammit, people!
Freedom is NOT FREE!
You have to work at it.
I love people who sit back and do nothing and then complain when things are not to their liking.To the OP, you live in the UK.
Do you really think there is another place that is practically better?
You may not be in the best place to live, but not far from it.
Get involved.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28501135</id>
	<title>Re:Anarchy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246125300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Paraguay fits perfectly in that category =)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Paraguay fits perfectly in that category = )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Paraguay fits perfectly in that category =)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493261</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>KarlIsNotMyName</author>
	<datestamp>1246099560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Prize freedom? By allowing your rights to be taken away, as well starting wars?

And how come that wonderful 2nd amendment didn't allow you to dethrone Bush and Cheney the instant it was clear that they violated both your constitution, as well as international law?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Prize freedom ?
By allowing your rights to be taken away , as well starting wars ?
And how come that wonderful 2nd amendment did n't allow you to dethrone Bush and Cheney the instant it was clear that they violated both your constitution , as well as international law ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prize freedom?
By allowing your rights to be taken away, as well starting wars?
And how come that wonderful 2nd amendment didn't allow you to dethrone Bush and Cheney the instant it was clear that they violated both your constitution, as well as international law?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497585</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246096380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess you're overreacting a little but<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... come to Central/Eastern Europe.</p><p>If you're working in IT I don't think you'll have a problem finding a job here (Romania/Bulgaria/Czech Republic/Hungary).</p><p>You can always switch between countries until you find the right one.</p><p>A Romanian guy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess you 're overreacting a little but ... come to Central/Eastern Europe.If you 're working in IT I do n't think you 'll have a problem finding a job here ( Romania/Bulgaria/Czech Republic/Hungary ) .You can always switch between countries until you find the right one.A Romanian guy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess you're overreacting a little but ... come to Central/Eastern Europe.If you're working in IT I don't think you'll have a problem finding a job here (Romania/Bulgaria/Czech Republic/Hungary).You can always switch between countries until you find the right one.A Romanian guy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496695</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246134060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having lived and worked in many countries I am shocked at the erosion of privacy and basic liberties in the UK. As for "Stay in the UK. Its YOUR fucking country, damn it." Considering that working in the UK is like working with pre-school children I have to disagree. There is little professionalism and an abundance of British arrogance. In the UK they denigrate rather than congratulate. The standards of education are falling rapidly and is affecting the populous as a whole. The BNP have seats in parliament. It was never my country. It was a place I was born and then never accepted by its people. As with any company, the good people leave because they can.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having lived and worked in many countries I am shocked at the erosion of privacy and basic liberties in the UK .
As for " Stay in the UK .
Its YOUR fucking country , damn it .
" Considering that working in the UK is like working with pre-school children I have to disagree .
There is little professionalism and an abundance of British arrogance .
In the UK they denigrate rather than congratulate .
The standards of education are falling rapidly and is affecting the populous as a whole .
The BNP have seats in parliament .
It was never my country .
It was a place I was born and then never accepted by its people .
As with any company , the good people leave because they can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having lived and worked in many countries I am shocked at the erosion of privacy and basic liberties in the UK.
As for "Stay in the UK.
Its YOUR fucking country, damn it.
" Considering that working in the UK is like working with pre-school children I have to disagree.
There is little professionalism and an abundance of British arrogance.
In the UK they denigrate rather than congratulate.
The standards of education are falling rapidly and is affecting the populous as a whole.
The BNP have seats in parliament.
It was never my country.
It was a place I was born and then never accepted by its people.
As with any company, the good people leave because they can.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491885</id>
	<title>No way, go to Brazil</title>
	<author>lsdi</author>
	<datestamp>1246040640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You should consider coming to Brazil. You can do pretty much anything and you will not go to jail. Well, the only bad thing is that people can do pretty much anything to you also.

In Brazil, you need to do that to get in jail:
-&gt; racism: beleive or not, you will get to jail and will get killed there.
-&gt; rape: once in jail, you are dead in some very cruel fashion
-&gt; not paying pension to you ex-wife/son, you will get raped in prison then.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You should consider coming to Brazil .
You can do pretty much anything and you will not go to jail .
Well , the only bad thing is that people can do pretty much anything to you also .
In Brazil , you need to do that to get in jail : - &gt; racism : beleive or not , you will get to jail and will get killed there .
- &gt; rape : once in jail , you are dead in some very cruel fashion - &gt; not paying pension to you ex-wife/son , you will get raped in prison then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should consider coming to Brazil.
You can do pretty much anything and you will not go to jail.
Well, the only bad thing is that people can do pretty much anything to you also.
In Brazil, you need to do that to get in jail:
-&gt; racism: beleive or not, you will get to jail and will get killed there.
-&gt; rape: once in jail, you are dead in some very cruel fashion
-&gt; not paying pension to you ex-wife/son, you will get raped in prison then.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492107</id>
	<title>Singapore</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246042680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Over here, the government only messes with you (caning etc are common) if you go out of your way to be a pain in the a$$ to others. That and the government makes it compulsory for you to save money for emergencies and your post-retirement life. Only drawbacks, your kids might need to serve in the military and you will be fined heavily (or even caned; drug trafficking gets you a death sentence) if you break laws (nothing wrong with that). Singaporeans enjoy a very high per capita income and a very low crime rate. No Singaporean I know would want to live in another country.

Although you seem to want "freedom". Ever thought what would happen to those excellent public services if the government tried to "get itself out of the way"? You can't expect people to behave, history has taught us that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Over here , the government only messes with you ( caning etc are common ) if you go out of your way to be a pain in the a $ $ to others .
That and the government makes it compulsory for you to save money for emergencies and your post-retirement life .
Only drawbacks , your kids might need to serve in the military and you will be fined heavily ( or even caned ; drug trafficking gets you a death sentence ) if you break laws ( nothing wrong with that ) .
Singaporeans enjoy a very high per capita income and a very low crime rate .
No Singaporean I know would want to live in another country .
Although you seem to want " freedom " .
Ever thought what would happen to those excellent public services if the government tried to " get itself out of the way " ?
You ca n't expect people to behave , history has taught us that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Over here, the government only messes with you (caning etc are common) if you go out of your way to be a pain in the a$$ to others.
That and the government makes it compulsory for you to save money for emergencies and your post-retirement life.
Only drawbacks, your kids might need to serve in the military and you will be fined heavily (or even caned; drug trafficking gets you a death sentence) if you break laws (nothing wrong with that).
Singaporeans enjoy a very high per capita income and a very low crime rate.
No Singaporean I know would want to live in another country.
Although you seem to want "freedom".
Ever thought what would happen to those excellent public services if the government tried to "get itself out of the way"?
You can't expect people to behave, history has taught us that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491545</id>
	<title>Re:Sorry but ...</title>
	<author>Warlord88</author>
	<datestamp>1246038060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also, UK has one of the highest standards of living in the world. Is the privacy situation so bad that you are considering emigrating? I really don't think it is possible for you to find a country with standard of living at par with that of UK and where you can put your skills (if any) to full use.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , UK has one of the highest standards of living in the world .
Is the privacy situation so bad that you are considering emigrating ?
I really do n't think it is possible for you to find a country with standard of living at par with that of UK and where you can put your skills ( if any ) to full use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, UK has one of the highest standards of living in the world.
Is the privacy situation so bad that you are considering emigrating?
I really don't think it is possible for you to find a country with standard of living at par with that of UK and where you can put your skills (if any) to full use.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493155</id>
	<title>US has 50 different sets of laws.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246098120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The U.S. may be what you want. In a sense we are 50 different countries with 50 different sets of laws and viewpoints.</p><p>You want near total freedom of Speech, Religion, Sexual Expresion. Try California, specifically San Francisco. Google Pics 'Folsom Street Fair'</p><p>You want rights to own guns. Try Nevada or Texas. Last I heard if you get pulled over in Texas and they don't find a gun in your car your fined $100 dollars and given your choice of a 9mm or 44 magnum.</p><p>Want Gay rights and Gay marriage. Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont and Maine. And within 10 years I predict half a dozen more will follow suit.</p><p>Want Freedom to Gamble. Nevada has slot machines in grocery stores, Car washes, and I understand for $100 they will install one in your car. Also parts of California, New Jersey and probably half a dozen other states.</p><p>Economic Freedom (low Taxes and minimal Government regulations). Nevada and Alaska I believe qualify.</p><p>Marijuana is practically legal in some parts of California. I have had friends pulled over by police with a visible joint and the cop ignored it.</p><p>Prostitution. Some parts of Nevada, and while illegal in other parts of the country, in some areas it might as well be legal.</p><p>Freedom to teach your kids at home, Many states allow this. Freedom to start your own religion and teach  your kids really weird stuff. Unless you go to extreme levels you can pull this off in a good dozen states.</p><p>Freedom to drop out of society and bum around. Several areas in California you can do just that.</p><p>It all depends on what you want. Note not all of these will be found in the same place.</p><p>Note there are probably many more states that also match the above catagories, but I am working off the top of my head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The U.S. may be what you want .
In a sense we are 50 different countries with 50 different sets of laws and viewpoints.You want near total freedom of Speech , Religion , Sexual Expresion .
Try California , specifically San Francisco .
Google Pics 'Folsom Street Fair'You want rights to own guns .
Try Nevada or Texas .
Last I heard if you get pulled over in Texas and they do n't find a gun in your car your fined $ 100 dollars and given your choice of a 9mm or 44 magnum.Want Gay rights and Gay marriage .
Massachusetts , Connecticut , Iowa , Vermont and Maine .
And within 10 years I predict half a dozen more will follow suit.Want Freedom to Gamble .
Nevada has slot machines in grocery stores , Car washes , and I understand for $ 100 they will install one in your car .
Also parts of California , New Jersey and probably half a dozen other states.Economic Freedom ( low Taxes and minimal Government regulations ) .
Nevada and Alaska I believe qualify.Marijuana is practically legal in some parts of California .
I have had friends pulled over by police with a visible joint and the cop ignored it.Prostitution .
Some parts of Nevada , and while illegal in other parts of the country , in some areas it might as well be legal.Freedom to teach your kids at home , Many states allow this .
Freedom to start your own religion and teach your kids really weird stuff .
Unless you go to extreme levels you can pull this off in a good dozen states.Freedom to drop out of society and bum around .
Several areas in California you can do just that.It all depends on what you want .
Note not all of these will be found in the same place.Note there are probably many more states that also match the above catagories , but I am working off the top of my head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The U.S. may be what you want.
In a sense we are 50 different countries with 50 different sets of laws and viewpoints.You want near total freedom of Speech, Religion, Sexual Expresion.
Try California, specifically San Francisco.
Google Pics 'Folsom Street Fair'You want rights to own guns.
Try Nevada or Texas.
Last I heard if you get pulled over in Texas and they don't find a gun in your car your fined $100 dollars and given your choice of a 9mm or 44 magnum.Want Gay rights and Gay marriage.
Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, Vermont and Maine.
And within 10 years I predict half a dozen more will follow suit.Want Freedom to Gamble.
Nevada has slot machines in grocery stores, Car washes, and I understand for $100 they will install one in your car.
Also parts of California, New Jersey and probably half a dozen other states.Economic Freedom (low Taxes and minimal Government regulations).
Nevada and Alaska I believe qualify.Marijuana is practically legal in some parts of California.
I have had friends pulled over by police with a visible joint and the cop ignored it.Prostitution.
Some parts of Nevada, and while illegal in other parts of the country, in some areas it might as well be legal.Freedom to teach your kids at home, Many states allow this.
Freedom to start your own religion and teach  your kids really weird stuff.
Unless you go to extreme levels you can pull this off in a good dozen states.Freedom to drop out of society and bum around.
Several areas in California you can do just that.It all depends on what you want.
Note not all of these will be found in the same place.Note there are probably many more states that also match the above catagories, but I am working off the top of my head.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494443</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246115040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I just happen to know 3 British Ex-pats here in Southern California, all of them all seemingly content with their near minimum-wage jobs.</i><br>That'll change as soon as they have a real medical problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just happen to know 3 British Ex-pats here in Southern California , all of them all seemingly content with their near minimum-wage jobs.That 'll change as soon as they have a real medical problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just happen to know 3 British Ex-pats here in Southern California, all of them all seemingly content with their near minimum-wage jobs.That'll change as soon as they have a real medical problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494099</id>
	<title>Move to India</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246111860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With no national ID card system as yet, English as the common language of business throughout the country, plenty of IT opportunities, lower cost of living and very affordable availability of healthcare and services. I live in Europe but plan to move back to India when I've saved enough. Coming from an upper middle class family, I find I had a higher standard of living in India - I never had to cook back home, wash my own dishes, vacuum my floors, or clean up after a party, the maids did it all. Its not to expensive to hire a house maid.</p><p>I know a number of Europeans, mostly French, who have lived in India for years. The people are friendly, but watch out for neighbors who get too friendly. Yes it has its drawbacks like the recent terrorist attacks reported in the media, but if you stay in an affluent satellite suburb away from historic landmarks you won't see any of this personally.</p><p>You won't make as much money working there as you would in the UK, but with the right planning you would make enough to give you a very comfortable life.</p><p>Experiences of your mileage may vary, its best to visit a country &amp; actually live there for a good few months to get a feel of the place before committing to it.</p><p>Good luck &amp; keep this thread updated!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With no national ID card system as yet , English as the common language of business throughout the country , plenty of IT opportunities , lower cost of living and very affordable availability of healthcare and services .
I live in Europe but plan to move back to India when I 've saved enough .
Coming from an upper middle class family , I find I had a higher standard of living in India - I never had to cook back home , wash my own dishes , vacuum my floors , or clean up after a party , the maids did it all .
Its not to expensive to hire a house maid.I know a number of Europeans , mostly French , who have lived in India for years .
The people are friendly , but watch out for neighbors who get too friendly .
Yes it has its drawbacks like the recent terrorist attacks reported in the media , but if you stay in an affluent satellite suburb away from historic landmarks you wo n't see any of this personally.You wo n't make as much money working there as you would in the UK , but with the right planning you would make enough to give you a very comfortable life.Experiences of your mileage may vary , its best to visit a country &amp; actually live there for a good few months to get a feel of the place before committing to it.Good luck &amp; keep this thread updated !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With no national ID card system as yet, English as the common language of business throughout the country, plenty of IT opportunities, lower cost of living and very affordable availability of healthcare and services.
I live in Europe but plan to move back to India when I've saved enough.
Coming from an upper middle class family, I find I had a higher standard of living in India - I never had to cook back home, wash my own dishes, vacuum my floors, or clean up after a party, the maids did it all.
Its not to expensive to hire a house maid.I know a number of Europeans, mostly French, who have lived in India for years.
The people are friendly, but watch out for neighbors who get too friendly.
Yes it has its drawbacks like the recent terrorist attacks reported in the media, but if you stay in an affluent satellite suburb away from historic landmarks you won't see any of this personally.You won't make as much money working there as you would in the UK, but with the right planning you would make enough to give you a very comfortable life.Experiences of your mileage may vary, its best to visit a country &amp; actually live there for a good few months to get a feel of the place before committing to it.Good luck &amp; keep this thread updated!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28503303</id>
	<title>Spain is good</title>
	<author>c.agger</author>
	<datestamp>1246200180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you want to stay in Europe, Spain should do it. It has a rather progressive government (pulled out of Iraq, issued strong condemndation of war) and don't have the economy to put up a lot of surveillance infrastructure.

Plus, you're really pretty much free to do as you like. Nasty unemployment though, which means finding a job might be a challenge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to stay in Europe , Spain should do it .
It has a rather progressive government ( pulled out of Iraq , issued strong condemndation of war ) and do n't have the economy to put up a lot of surveillance infrastructure .
Plus , you 're really pretty much free to do as you like .
Nasty unemployment though , which means finding a job might be a challenge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to stay in Europe, Spain should do it.
It has a rather progressive government (pulled out of Iraq, issued strong condemndation of war) and don't have the economy to put up a lot of surveillance infrastructure.
Plus, you're really pretty much free to do as you like.
Nasty unemployment though, which means finding a job might be a challenge.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28506837</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246182480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'From what I know" - yeh right, they even monitor your trash there to ensure you don't transgress the recycling laws.  You can't make this up. They employ people to check they you obey the trash laws.</p><p>Other police are employed for other transgressors too.</p><p>Switzerland is a police state before they invented police states.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'From what I know " - yeh right , they even monitor your trash there to ensure you do n't transgress the recycling laws .
You ca n't make this up .
They employ people to check they you obey the trash laws.Other police are employed for other transgressors too.Switzerland is a police state before they invented police states .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'From what I know" - yeh right, they even monitor your trash there to ensure you don't transgress the recycling laws.
You can't make this up.
They employ people to check they you obey the trash laws.Other police are employed for other transgressors too.Switzerland is a police state before they invented police states.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491775</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492597</id>
	<title>Costa Rica</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1246134900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Services and stability, yes. What little leanings they might have towards reduction in liberties they don't have the resources to enact. In general they're very people oriented - most national university programs are humanitarian in nature. They have specific requirements for 'rentistas' (foreigners who come there permanently but retain their citizenship), but the required monetary income isn't that large. Down side, you can't get a job that might go to a national. You'll need an immigration attorney that speaks Espanol. If you intend to take up citizenship, you'll need to speak it too.<br><a href="http://www.costaricalaw.com/legalnet/residency.html" title="costaricalaw.com">http://www.costaricalaw.com/legalnet/residency.html</a> [costaricalaw.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Services and stability , yes .
What little leanings they might have towards reduction in liberties they do n't have the resources to enact .
In general they 're very people oriented - most national university programs are humanitarian in nature .
They have specific requirements for 'rentistas ' ( foreigners who come there permanently but retain their citizenship ) , but the required monetary income is n't that large .
Down side , you ca n't get a job that might go to a national .
You 'll need an immigration attorney that speaks Espanol .
If you intend to take up citizenship , you 'll need to speak it too.http : //www.costaricalaw.com/legalnet/residency.html [ costaricalaw.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Services and stability, yes.
What little leanings they might have towards reduction in liberties they don't have the resources to enact.
In general they're very people oriented - most national university programs are humanitarian in nature.
They have specific requirements for 'rentistas' (foreigners who come there permanently but retain their citizenship), but the required monetary income isn't that large.
Down side, you can't get a job that might go to a national.
You'll need an immigration attorney that speaks Espanol.
If you intend to take up citizenship, you'll need to speak it too.http://www.costaricalaw.com/legalnet/residency.html [costaricalaw.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491777</id>
	<title>Ummm</title>
	<author>sv\_libertarian</author>
	<datestamp>1246039860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Come on.  You want "free" and "public services" rolled into one.  There is a balance between what the state provides, and what the state takes away.  Somewhere between the public services rich cesspool of the UK and no public services at all, is a happy medium.  Try doing for yourself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on .
You want " free " and " public services " rolled into one .
There is a balance between what the state provides , and what the state takes away .
Somewhere between the public services rich cesspool of the UK and no public services at all , is a happy medium .
Try doing for yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on.
You want "free" and "public services" rolled into one.
There is a balance between what the state provides, and what the state takes away.
Somewhere between the public services rich cesspool of the UK and no public services at all, is a happy medium.
Try doing for yourself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498061</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1246099620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>NZ is the only country in the world where, on average the women have had more sexual partners than men.</p></div><p>How does that math work?</p></div><p>It just means that an average NZ woman changes partners (or has more partners at the same time) than an average man.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>NZ is the only country in the world where , on average the women have had more sexual partners than men.How does that math work ? It just means that an average NZ woman changes partners ( or has more partners at the same time ) than an average man .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NZ is the only country in the world where, on average the women have had more sexual partners than men.How does that math work?It just means that an average NZ woman changes partners (or has more partners at the same time) than an average man.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494335</id>
	<title>Nice loaded introduction</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246114140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You talk about all of the ills that have been done or enacted recently.  This was done under your leftist regime!  And then end it with the prospect of a conservative government.  You are very confused</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You talk about all of the ills that have been done or enacted recently .
This was done under your leftist regime !
And then end it with the prospect of a conservative government .
You are very confused</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You talk about all of the ills that have been done or enacted recently.
This was done under your leftist regime!
And then end it with the prospect of a conservative government.
You are very confused</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492163</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246043280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. We have rights of expression, assembly, thought, speech, and, yes, privacy enshrined in the Constitution.</p><p>Status Quo for the better part of 100 years: Warrant-less Wire taps, presidential PARDONS, poverty, prison systems, bigotry, religious fanatics, Christianity, "we support our troops" mentality (Fascism).</p><p>2."NOT on how free we should be"</p><p>Suspension of Habeas Corpus, Constitution applies to only nationals aka "to me not you, because i am me and you are you," water boarding, Watch your neighbor for suspicious activity...."Please report any unattended bag to the proper authorities -- remember SAFETY is EVERYONE'S responsibility."</p><p>3."sacrificing liberty for security", is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years. If ever.</p><p>I might agree on this point...we are more likely in that time scale to kill ourselves in a world war then actually sacrifice liberty. Check mate earth.</p><p>4.king's slave to a king's peer.</p><p>Poverty... 10\% unemployment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
We have rights of expression , assembly , thought , speech , and , yes , privacy enshrined in the Constitution.Status Quo for the better part of 100 years : Warrant-less Wire taps , presidential PARDONS , poverty , prison systems , bigotry , religious fanatics , Christianity , " we support our troops " mentality ( Fascism ) .2 .
" NOT on how free we should be " Suspension of Habeas Corpus , Constitution applies to only nationals aka " to me not you , because i am me and you are you , " water boarding , Watch your neighbor for suspicious activity.... " Please report any unattended bag to the proper authorities -- remember SAFETY is EVERYONE 'S responsibility. " 3 .
" sacrificing liberty for security " , is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years .
If ever.I might agree on this point...we are more likely in that time scale to kill ourselves in a world war then actually sacrifice liberty .
Check mate earth.4.king 's slave to a king 's peer.Poverty... 10 \ % unemployment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
We have rights of expression, assembly, thought, speech, and, yes, privacy enshrined in the Constitution.Status Quo for the better part of 100 years: Warrant-less Wire taps, presidential PARDONS, poverty, prison systems, bigotry, religious fanatics, Christianity, "we support our troops" mentality (Fascism).2.
"NOT on how free we should be"Suspension of Habeas Corpus, Constitution applies to only nationals aka "to me not you, because i am me and you are you," water boarding, Watch your neighbor for suspicious activity...."Please report any unattended bag to the proper authorities -- remember SAFETY is EVERYONE'S responsibility."3.
"sacrificing liberty for security", is likely not to be repeated in the next 10-20 years.
If ever.I might agree on this point...we are more likely in that time scale to kill ourselves in a world war then actually sacrifice liberty.
Check mate earth.4.king's slave to a king's peer.Poverty... 10\% unemployment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492033</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1246042020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Don't listen to the crap you might see from the libertarians on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></div><p>In defense of us Libertarians here on Slashdot I feel that I must point out that we are all about freedom and against violence and coercion. In fact, we have always held the United States Constitution and especially the Bill of Rights in very high esteem and wish that our Federal Government would conform more closely to the limited role outlined in those documents instead of experimenting with socialism as Obama seems determined to do. However, as Bush and others have demonstrated, there is really only so much damage that one President can do and in the long run the United States has some pretty well engineered self correcting mechanisms (our founding fathers saw to that when they set the whole thing up). In response to the emigrating author, I would definitely recommend the United States in general and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free\_State\_Project" title="wikipedia.org">Free State Project</a> [wikipedia.org] states (New Hampshire and Wyoming) in particular if he is looking to maximize his freedoms. Although, compared to what we see and hear coming out of the UK these days, just about anywhere in the United States is going to be a breath of fresh air by way of comparison. The United States also has the advantage that the residency requirements and path to citizenship are easier when coming from the UK which enjoys the "special relationship" with the United States. So he really should take a second look at the United States; we really do have a lot to offer as a free country.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Do n't listen to the crap you might see from the libertarians on /.In defense of us Libertarians here on Slashdot I feel that I must point out that we are all about freedom and against violence and coercion .
In fact , we have always held the United States Constitution and especially the Bill of Rights in very high esteem and wish that our Federal Government would conform more closely to the limited role outlined in those documents instead of experimenting with socialism as Obama seems determined to do .
However , as Bush and others have demonstrated , there is really only so much damage that one President can do and in the long run the United States has some pretty well engineered self correcting mechanisms ( our founding fathers saw to that when they set the whole thing up ) .
In response to the emigrating author , I would definitely recommend the United States in general and the Free State Project [ wikipedia.org ] states ( New Hampshire and Wyoming ) in particular if he is looking to maximize his freedoms .
Although , compared to what we see and hear coming out of the UK these days , just about anywhere in the United States is going to be a breath of fresh air by way of comparison .
The United States also has the advantage that the residency requirements and path to citizenship are easier when coming from the UK which enjoys the " special relationship " with the United States .
So he really should take a second look at the United States ; we really do have a lot to offer as a free country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't listen to the crap you might see from the libertarians on /.In defense of us Libertarians here on Slashdot I feel that I must point out that we are all about freedom and against violence and coercion.
In fact, we have always held the United States Constitution and especially the Bill of Rights in very high esteem and wish that our Federal Government would conform more closely to the limited role outlined in those documents instead of experimenting with socialism as Obama seems determined to do.
However, as Bush and others have demonstrated, there is really only so much damage that one President can do and in the long run the United States has some pretty well engineered self correcting mechanisms (our founding fathers saw to that when they set the whole thing up).
In response to the emigrating author, I would definitely recommend the United States in general and the Free State Project [wikipedia.org] states (New Hampshire and Wyoming) in particular if he is looking to maximize his freedoms.
Although, compared to what we see and hear coming out of the UK these days, just about anywhere in the United States is going to be a breath of fresh air by way of comparison.
The United States also has the advantage that the residency requirements and path to citizenship are easier when coming from the UK which enjoys the "special relationship" with the United States.
So he really should take a second look at the United States; we really do have a lot to offer as a free country.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492719</id>
	<title>How about a community</title>
	<author>Shahar\_Or</author>
	<datestamp>1246093200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a few interesting communities which can be a wonderful place to live in and really good people around you all of the time.</p><p>I've been in <a href="http://tamera.org/" title="tamera.org" rel="nofollow">Tamera</a> [tamera.org] which is a "healing biotope" about the healing of the earth and humanity and making models of living in peace.</p><p>I've also heard of a community called <a href="http://www.damanhur.org/" title="damanhur.org" rel="nofollow">Damanhur</a> [damanhur.org] which looks amazing to me.</p><p>I think that in such communities the least oppression can be found.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a few interesting communities which can be a wonderful place to live in and really good people around you all of the time.I 've been in Tamera [ tamera.org ] which is a " healing biotope " about the healing of the earth and humanity and making models of living in peace.I 've also heard of a community called Damanhur [ damanhur.org ] which looks amazing to me.I think that in such communities the least oppression can be found .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a few interesting communities which can be a wonderful place to live in and really good people around you all of the time.I've been in Tamera [tamera.org] which is a "healing biotope" about the healing of the earth and humanity and making models of living in peace.I've also heard of a community called Damanhur [damanhur.org] which looks amazing to me.I think that in such communities the least oppression can be found.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491511</id>
	<title>Finland</title>
	<author>pbaer</author>
	<datestamp>1246037880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Finland has the best privacy laws in the world, and Finns enjoy a lot of rights, such as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right\_to\_roam#Finland" title="wikipedia.org">"right to roam"</a> [wikipedia.org]. Finland also had women's suffrage in 1906, much earlier than most countries. Finland is also a highly technological nation, which since you post on slashdot, is probably a plus. Most of the people there will speak english to some degree, which should make communicating a little easier.<p>

Finland, however has disadvantages such as, a very difficult native language, immigrating will be tougher than other nations, cold weather, and possible invasion from Russia. If you like Finland, but can't handle the language, you could try a different Scandinavian country, as they all share the same basic values. </p><p>

You  should find this link helpful, it has an immigration section.
<a href="http://www.finlandforum.org/index.php" title="finlandforum.org">http://www.finlandforum.org/index.php</a> [finlandforum.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finland has the best privacy laws in the world , and Finns enjoy a lot of rights , such as " right to roam " [ wikipedia.org ] .
Finland also had women 's suffrage in 1906 , much earlier than most countries .
Finland is also a highly technological nation , which since you post on slashdot , is probably a plus .
Most of the people there will speak english to some degree , which should make communicating a little easier .
Finland , however has disadvantages such as , a very difficult native language , immigrating will be tougher than other nations , cold weather , and possible invasion from Russia .
If you like Finland , but ca n't handle the language , you could try a different Scandinavian country , as they all share the same basic values .
You should find this link helpful , it has an immigration section .
http : //www.finlandforum.org/index.php [ finlandforum.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finland has the best privacy laws in the world, and Finns enjoy a lot of rights, such as "right to roam" [wikipedia.org].
Finland also had women's suffrage in 1906, much earlier than most countries.
Finland is also a highly technological nation, which since you post on slashdot, is probably a plus.
Most of the people there will speak english to some degree, which should make communicating a little easier.
Finland, however has disadvantages such as, a very difficult native language, immigrating will be tougher than other nations, cold weather, and possible invasion from Russia.
If you like Finland, but can't handle the language, you could try a different Scandinavian country, as they all share the same basic values.
You  should find this link helpful, it has an immigration section.
http://www.finlandforum.org/index.php [finlandforum.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493297</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>fastest fascist</author>
	<datestamp>1246100160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know if I would classify Finland as a particularly "free" country. It's been fairly open-minded for a long time, but that's mainly because the population has historically been highly homogeneous. Things are changing slowly now, or at least people think they are, and the police-state legislation the OP found unpalatable is making headway into the Finnish system as well.  Internet censorship, erosion of the right of journalists to protect their sources, data retention, giving private entities the right to monitor teletraffic data... It may not be as bad as in some other places right now, but I wouldn't bet on it not getting worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if I would classify Finland as a particularly " free " country .
It 's been fairly open-minded for a long time , but that 's mainly because the population has historically been highly homogeneous .
Things are changing slowly now , or at least people think they are , and the police-state legislation the OP found unpalatable is making headway into the Finnish system as well .
Internet censorship , erosion of the right of journalists to protect their sources , data retention , giving private entities the right to monitor teletraffic data... It may not be as bad as in some other places right now , but I would n't bet on it not getting worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if I would classify Finland as a particularly "free" country.
It's been fairly open-minded for a long time, but that's mainly because the population has historically been highly homogeneous.
Things are changing slowly now, or at least people think they are, and the police-state legislation the OP found unpalatable is making headway into the Finnish system as well.
Internet censorship, erosion of the right of journalists to protect their sources, data retention, giving private entities the right to monitor teletraffic data... It may not be as bad as in some other places right now, but I wouldn't bet on it not getting worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494343</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Mechanized Elf</author>
	<datestamp>1246114200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh god, don't believe the hype about NZ.  Freer perhaps, if you don't count the social incarceration of the Anglo-regressive bigots who run the country.  That country is SOLD OUT, and you will be too if you go there with anything less than a fortune of investment capital.  You'll find your job options very limited as well, especially if you're asian or some other less white race.  Immigration Services likes to talk about how they have lots of jobs and too few Kiwis to fill them--but they neglect to mention that most Kiwis are reluctant to hire foreigners, no matter how good their qualifications.  Also know that you can be free with your opinions in NZ, so long as you don't criticize NZ or the Kiwi way of life.  Believe me, not even a humble helping of constructive criticism goes down easy in New Zealand...not when it's offered by a foreigner.  Finally, consider the freedom afforded you by your information infrastructure.  NZ's is as antiquated as its building codes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh god , do n't believe the hype about NZ .
Freer perhaps , if you do n't count the social incarceration of the Anglo-regressive bigots who run the country .
That country is SOLD OUT , and you will be too if you go there with anything less than a fortune of investment capital .
You 'll find your job options very limited as well , especially if you 're asian or some other less white race .
Immigration Services likes to talk about how they have lots of jobs and too few Kiwis to fill them--but they neglect to mention that most Kiwis are reluctant to hire foreigners , no matter how good their qualifications .
Also know that you can be free with your opinions in NZ , so long as you do n't criticize NZ or the Kiwi way of life .
Believe me , not even a humble helping of constructive criticism goes down easy in New Zealand...not when it 's offered by a foreigner .
Finally , consider the freedom afforded you by your information infrastructure .
NZ 's is as antiquated as its building codes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh god, don't believe the hype about NZ.
Freer perhaps, if you don't count the social incarceration of the Anglo-regressive bigots who run the country.
That country is SOLD OUT, and you will be too if you go there with anything less than a fortune of investment capital.
You'll find your job options very limited as well, especially if you're asian or some other less white race.
Immigration Services likes to talk about how they have lots of jobs and too few Kiwis to fill them--but they neglect to mention that most Kiwis are reluctant to hire foreigners, no matter how good their qualifications.
Also know that you can be free with your opinions in NZ, so long as you don't criticize NZ or the Kiwi way of life.
Believe me, not even a humble helping of constructive criticism goes down easy in New Zealand...not when it's offered by a foreigner.
Finally, consider the freedom afforded you by your information infrastructure.
NZ's is as antiquated as its building codes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493041</id>
	<title>Being refugee light (TM)?</title>
	<author>einar2</author>
	<datestamp>1246096740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, you want to leave your country because the grass is greener somewhere else? You think at becoming a "refugee light" (0\% oppression, maximum comfort)?<br>
<br>

Well, although I think this is absolutely justified, you are free to move around, be aware that in most cultures you will not be welcome. You might have a look how your own society treats immigrants. This is what you can expect abroad.<br>
Yes, you might find a job and you shall be able to make a living. Do not expect to meet friends, do not expect to be invited to our BBQs</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , you want to leave your country because the grass is greener somewhere else ?
You think at becoming a " refugee light " ( 0 \ % oppression , maximum comfort ) ?
Well , although I think this is absolutely justified , you are free to move around , be aware that in most cultures you will not be welcome .
You might have a look how your own society treats immigrants .
This is what you can expect abroad .
Yes , you might find a job and you shall be able to make a living .
Do not expect to meet friends , do not expect to be invited to our BBQs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, you want to leave your country because the grass is greener somewhere else?
You think at becoming a "refugee light" (0\% oppression, maximum comfort)?
Well, although I think this is absolutely justified, you are free to move around, be aware that in most cultures you will not be welcome.
You might have a look how your own society treats immigrants.
This is what you can expect abroad.
Yes, you might find a job and you shall be able to make a living.
Do not expect to meet friends, do not expect to be invited to our BBQs</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28507095</id>
	<title>Re:Switzerland and perhaps Estonia!</title>
	<author>mcvos</author>
	<datestamp>1246184640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only thing you might miss, is the ocean. For that you have to drive to Italy. (Right below it. At Venice for example.)</p></div><p>Venice is not by the ocean, it's by the Mediteranean. To see the ocean, you'd have to go through France.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The only thing you might miss , is the ocean .
For that you have to drive to Italy .
( Right below it .
At Venice for example .
) Venice is not by the ocean , it 's by the Mediteranean .
To see the ocean , you 'd have to go through France .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only thing you might miss, is the ocean.
For that you have to drive to Italy.
(Right below it.
At Venice for example.
)Venice is not by the ocean, it's by the Mediteranean.
To see the ocean, you'd have to go through France.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493557</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246103880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fewer women, more sheep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fewer women , more sheep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fewer women, more sheep.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497279</id>
	<title>Re:New Zealand</title>
	<author>tonyr60</author>
	<datestamp>1246094520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>New Zealand suffers from small town mentality.</p><p>Its very rural, even the cities are really just very large 'small country towns'.</p><p>The shops are pretty limited in what they stock, theres very little variety in the stores.</p><p>The people are slack, lazy and highly disorganised.</p><p>NZ businesses are, by and large, extremely poorly run and the management style leaves a LOT to be desired.</p><p>Theres a saying here "She'll be right mate"</p><p>It means "Don't worry about something that appears to be almost a disaster, it'll be ok"</p><p>Usually when you hear a kiwi say this phrase DUCK because something is about to explode.</p><p>I'm even considering going to the UK.</p></div><p>Dead right.  Now you just toddle off to the UK just as fast you little legs can carry you and we will both be happy.  And BTW, all that my little friend said is dead right.</p><p>We don't want any more people here, we have far too many as it is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>New Zealand suffers from small town mentality.Its very rural , even the cities are really just very large 'small country towns'.The shops are pretty limited in what they stock , theres very little variety in the stores.The people are slack , lazy and highly disorganised.NZ businesses are , by and large , extremely poorly run and the management style leaves a LOT to be desired.Theres a saying here " She 'll be right mate " It means " Do n't worry about something that appears to be almost a disaster , it 'll be ok " Usually when you hear a kiwi say this phrase DUCK because something is about to explode.I 'm even considering going to the UK.Dead right .
Now you just toddle off to the UK just as fast you little legs can carry you and we will both be happy .
And BTW , all that my little friend said is dead right.We do n't want any more people here , we have far too many as it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Zealand suffers from small town mentality.Its very rural, even the cities are really just very large 'small country towns'.The shops are pretty limited in what they stock, theres very little variety in the stores.The people are slack, lazy and highly disorganised.NZ businesses are, by and large, extremely poorly run and the management style leaves a LOT to be desired.Theres a saying here "She'll be right mate"It means "Don't worry about something that appears to be almost a disaster, it'll be ok"Usually when you hear a kiwi say this phrase DUCK because something is about to explode.I'm even considering going to the UK.Dead right.
Now you just toddle off to the UK just as fast you little legs can carry you and we will both be happy.
And BTW, all that my little friend said is dead right.We don't want any more people here, we have far too many as it is.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493477</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>caluml</author>
	<datestamp>1246102680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, cos that's always worked out well for everyone that's tried it. Sometimes, it's easier to just pick another country that matches your political persuasions more so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , cos that 's always worked out well for everyone that 's tried it .
Sometimes , it 's easier to just pick another country that matches your political persuasions more so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, cos that's always worked out well for everyone that's tried it.
Sometimes, it's easier to just pick another country that matches your political persuasions more so.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28494271</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246113480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever read the US Declaration of Independence?  The right to revolution is a MAJOR reason for the second amendment.  Take, for example, the first sentence, "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."  It is saying that when a government is violating the natural rights of the people, they have the obligation to separate.</p><p>And a few lines later, "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."  That seems pretty clear to me that we have the right to dissolve the government when it tramples the rights of the people.</p><p>And don't claim that the Declaration is not law, its the first three pages of US Code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever read the US Declaration of Independence ?
The right to revolution is a MAJOR reason for the second amendment .
Take , for example , the first sentence , " When in the Course of human events , it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another , and to assume among the powers of the earth , the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature 's God entitle them , a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation .
" It is saying that when a government is violating the natural rights of the people , they have the obligation to separate.And a few lines later , " That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends , it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it , and to institute new Government , laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form , as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness .
" That seems pretty clear to me that we have the right to dissolve the government when it tramples the rights of the people.And do n't claim that the Declaration is not law , its the first three pages of US Code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever read the US Declaration of Independence?
The right to revolution is a MAJOR reason for the second amendment.
Take, for example, the first sentence, "When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
"  It is saying that when a government is violating the natural rights of the people, they have the obligation to separate.And a few lines later, "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
"  That seems pretty clear to me that we have the right to dissolve the government when it tramples the rights of the people.And don't claim that the Declaration is not law, its the first three pages of US Code.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496483</id>
	<title>I know where not to go</title>
	<author>chiefbutz</author>
	<datestamp>1246132740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live in the US, and I suggest not here. The way some things are looking we may be heading down the road the UK is on. Something to keep in mind is that Scotland gets to decide in 2010 if they want to be a free country. That could be an interesting thing. I don't know what the Republic of Ireland is like as far as freedom, but I have visited it and it seems nice enough.

If language isn't a problem I have heard some nice things about Germany, though I have also heard bad things. Switzerland could also be an option. Just some places to look into.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in the US , and I suggest not here .
The way some things are looking we may be heading down the road the UK is on .
Something to keep in mind is that Scotland gets to decide in 2010 if they want to be a free country .
That could be an interesting thing .
I do n't know what the Republic of Ireland is like as far as freedom , but I have visited it and it seems nice enough .
If language is n't a problem I have heard some nice things about Germany , though I have also heard bad things .
Switzerland could also be an option .
Just some places to look into .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in the US, and I suggest not here.
The way some things are looking we may be heading down the road the UK is on.
Something to keep in mind is that Scotland gets to decide in 2010 if they want to be a free country.
That could be an interesting thing.
I don't know what the Republic of Ireland is like as far as freedom, but I have visited it and it seems nice enough.
If language isn't a problem I have heard some nice things about Germany, though I have also heard bad things.
Switzerland could also be an option.
Just some places to look into.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28497557</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246096200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finland.... it sucks!</p><p>I used to live there and these are the most annoying things there:</p><p>1) the government attempts to run everybodys life<br>2) extremely high taxes<br>3) lacking health care (you will need a private plan especially if you have familty)<br>4) low wages<br>5) bad services about everywhere<br>6) lot of drunks and bums</p><p>etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finland.... it sucks ! I used to live there and these are the most annoying things there : 1 ) the government attempts to run everybodys life2 ) extremely high taxes3 ) lacking health care ( you will need a private plan especially if you have familty ) 4 ) low wages5 ) bad services about everywhere6 ) lot of drunks and bumsetc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finland.... it sucks!I used to live there and these are the most annoying things there:1) the government attempts to run everybodys life2) extremely high taxes3) lacking health care (you will need a private plan especially if you have familty)4) low wages5) bad services about everywhere6) lot of drunks and bumsetc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28498459</id>
	<title>Freedom? Where?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246102740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean, you could move to a third world country, or one run by drug lords. But a wealthy and free nation? Good luck, tell me when you find one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , you could move to a third world country , or one run by drug lords .
But a wealthy and free nation ?
Good luck , tell me when you find one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, you could move to a third world country, or one run by drug lords.
But a wealthy and free nation?
Good luck, tell me when you find one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491725</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>lsdi</author>
	<datestamp>1246039380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes... but. I'm from Brazil. I lived 13 months in the US - under the infamous H1B visa. I went there just to learn something etc, not making money. But I have to tell you that some things really scared me, like health and education. I really didn't feel free having to pay an absurd amout of money for health insurance, I felt like if in the case of losing a job I would die in front of a hospital.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes... but. I 'm from Brazil .
I lived 13 months in the US - under the infamous H1B visa .
I went there just to learn something etc , not making money .
But I have to tell you that some things really scared me , like health and education .
I really did n't feel free having to pay an absurd amout of money for health insurance , I felt like if in the case of losing a job I would die in front of a hospital .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes... but. I'm from Brazil.
I lived 13 months in the US - under the infamous H1B visa.
I went there just to learn something etc, not making money.
But I have to tell you that some things really scared me, like health and education.
I really didn't feel free having to pay an absurd amout of money for health insurance, I felt like if in the case of losing a job I would die in front of a hospital.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493907</id>
	<title>Channel Islands</title>
	<author>funkboy</author>
	<datestamp>1246109460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As you're a British subject, you will have 0 problems with residency, currency, or language.  If you can handle living in a fairly small community (less than 100k residents on each island), Jersey and Guernsey have very very low taxes, more sunshine than anywhere in England, friendly people, and good food (they pride themselves on their agriculture)  and .  Most people are either into boating or aviation.  There are tech jobs available as the islands are financial havens, and the financial industry needs geeks.  If you need to go back to England for whatever reason, it's a short flight away.  You can also hop over to France anytime and enjoy the Breton and Normand countryside.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As you 're a British subject , you will have 0 problems with residency , currency , or language .
If you can handle living in a fairly small community ( less than 100k residents on each island ) , Jersey and Guernsey have very very low taxes , more sunshine than anywhere in England , friendly people , and good food ( they pride themselves on their agriculture ) and .
Most people are either into boating or aviation .
There are tech jobs available as the islands are financial havens , and the financial industry needs geeks .
If you need to go back to England for whatever reason , it 's a short flight away .
You can also hop over to France anytime and enjoy the Breton and Normand countryside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As you're a British subject, you will have 0 problems with residency, currency, or language.
If you can handle living in a fairly small community (less than 100k residents on each island), Jersey and Guernsey have very very low taxes, more sunshine than anywhere in England, friendly people, and good food (they pride themselves on their agriculture)  and .
Most people are either into boating or aviation.
There are tech jobs available as the islands are financial havens, and the financial industry needs geeks.
If you need to go back to England for whatever reason, it's a short flight away.
You can also hop over to France anytime and enjoy the Breton and Normand countryside.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492469</id>
	<title>Trash</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246133100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How did this trash make it to the front page of a tech website?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How did this trash make it to the front page of a tech website ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How did this trash make it to the front page of a tech website?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495807</id>
	<title>CERN is a very good option</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246126620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CERN [http://cern.ch] is a very good option. You can either live in Switzerland or in France. They accept English-only speakers (actually I work with a few). The salaries are good, the food is pretty good and the environment is awesome! Plus they have their own Internet Exchange Point! You will never be the bottleneck again!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CERN [ http : //cern.ch ] is a very good option .
You can either live in Switzerland or in France .
They accept English-only speakers ( actually I work with a few ) .
The salaries are good , the food is pretty good and the environment is awesome !
Plus they have their own Internet Exchange Point !
You will never be the bottleneck again !
: D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CERN [http://cern.ch] is a very good option.
You can either live in Switzerland or in France.
They accept English-only speakers (actually I work with a few).
The salaries are good, the food is pretty good and the environment is awesome!
Plus they have their own Internet Exchange Point!
You will never be the bottleneck again!
:D</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493437</id>
	<title>Very difficult to decide</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246102020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The western-style countries are going to hell all. Among GB, France, Germany.., etc., there is no choice. Yes, the Central European countries like Czech, Hungary, Poland there are more free.., yet, but the situation became worse.., so in 10 years you are forced to move again.... Also the climate can be an issue: If you don't mind long winters, the Sweden  or Norway can be a choice.<br>If you like the hot climate, the best choice is some tropical country.<br>The money is also serious issue. If you have enough money to live without income, some suitable developing country could be the best. The government does not care, you can do what you want. you can easily bribe locals if some problem occur. But be prepared for some uncomfort and unexpected situations also.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The western-style countries are going to hell all .
Among GB , France , Germany.. , etc. , there is no choice .
Yes , the Central European countries like Czech , Hungary , Poland there are more free.. , yet , but the situation became worse.. , so in 10 years you are forced to move again.... Also the climate can be an issue : If you do n't mind long winters , the Sweden or Norway can be a choice.If you like the hot climate , the best choice is some tropical country.The money is also serious issue .
If you have enough money to live without income , some suitable developing country could be the best .
The government does not care , you can do what you want .
you can easily bribe locals if some problem occur .
But be prepared for some uncomfort and unexpected situations also .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The western-style countries are going to hell all.
Among GB, France, Germany.., etc., there is no choice.
Yes, the Central European countries like Czech, Hungary, Poland there are more free.., yet, but the situation became worse.., so in 10 years you are forced to move again.... Also the climate can be an issue: If you don't mind long winters, the Sweden  or Norway can be a choice.If you like the hot climate, the best choice is some tropical country.The money is also serious issue.
If you have enough money to live without income, some suitable developing country could be the best.
The government does not care, you can do what you want.
you can easily bribe locals if some problem occur.
But be prepared for some uncomfort and unexpected situations also.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28518439</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>mr\_mischief</author>
	<datestamp>1246308360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Emergency medicine is generally available. It's preventative care and care for minor health problems that turn into major ones later that you'd be likely to be denied. The emergency room will treat you and bill you later, then hound you for years and sue you into bankruptcy, but at least you'd have that care. It'd be cheaper to prevent illnesses and accidental injuries that can be prevented, but that shifts the costs around. Any time you shift costs, you're going to be fighting the ones who profit more from the current scheme.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Emergency medicine is generally available .
It 's preventative care and care for minor health problems that turn into major ones later that you 'd be likely to be denied .
The emergency room will treat you and bill you later , then hound you for years and sue you into bankruptcy , but at least you 'd have that care .
It 'd be cheaper to prevent illnesses and accidental injuries that can be prevented , but that shifts the costs around .
Any time you shift costs , you 're going to be fighting the ones who profit more from the current scheme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Emergency medicine is generally available.
It's preventative care and care for minor health problems that turn into major ones later that you'd be likely to be denied.
The emergency room will treat you and bill you later, then hound you for years and sue you into bankruptcy, but at least you'd have that care.
It'd be cheaper to prevent illnesses and accidental injuries that can be prevented, but that shifts the costs around.
Any time you shift costs, you're going to be fighting the ones who profit more from the current scheme.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28496183</id>
	<title>Re:Stay.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246130280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's... bullshit. So you keep moving from country to country when freedom vanishes, until what? It's freedom what should be moving...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's... bullshit. So you keep moving from country to country when freedom vanishes , until what ?
It 's freedom what should be moving.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's... bullshit. So you keep moving from country to country when freedom vanishes, until what?
It's freedom what should be moving...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492557</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Korey Kaczor</author>
	<datestamp>1246134120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because it's just so logical to keep defending yourself from government until you're all out of bubblegum...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because it 's just so logical to keep defending yourself from government until you 're all out of bubblegum.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because it's just so logical to keep defending yourself from government until you're all out of bubblegum...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491931</id>
	<title>Re:List of Countries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246041000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Australia. Fuck yeah!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Australia .
Fuck yeah !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Australia.
Fuck yeah!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28491905</id>
	<title>freedonia</title>
	<author>ushere</author>
	<datestamp>1246040880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it's a marxist state - of the groucho school</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's a marxist state - of the groucho school</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's a marxist state - of the groucho school</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28492745</id>
	<title>Re:Come to the USA!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246093500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the US, though there certainly are hoops to jump through.</p><p>Ask Art Bell about those hoops!<br>Art Bell's Wife Denied U.S. Visa</p><p>http://www.coasttocoastam.com/cimages/var/ezwebin\_site/storage/images/coast-to-coast/repository/photos/art-s-postal-receipts/409589-1-eng-US/Art-s-Postal-Receipts.jpg</p><p>The problem the USA has is corrupt officials, oath breakers, a fractional reserve system which has been fractured by bankster gambling, corporate media, electronic vote tabulation devices which firewall out public oversight, and the wrong approach to health.  All of them are now using timing as their weapon of choice. When a bill passes, when a law takes effect, etc. And obscurity in operations, spying, lies, state secrets and dirty tricks. Eliminate the listed parasites and America would indeed be the best place on Earth. What we have now is a trust problem because there is no transparency in monetary, elections, security.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the US , though there certainly are hoops to jump through.Ask Art Bell about those hoops ! Art Bell 's Wife Denied U.S. Visahttp : //www.coasttocoastam.com/cimages/var/ezwebin \ _site/storage/images/coast-to-coast/repository/photos/art-s-postal-receipts/409589-1-eng-US/Art-s-Postal-Receipts.jpgThe problem the USA has is corrupt officials , oath breakers , a fractional reserve system which has been fractured by bankster gambling , corporate media , electronic vote tabulation devices which firewall out public oversight , and the wrong approach to health .
All of them are now using timing as their weapon of choice .
When a bill passes , when a law takes effect , etc .
And obscurity in operations , spying , lies , state secrets and dirty tricks .
Eliminate the listed parasites and America would indeed be the best place on Earth .
What we have now is a trust problem because there is no transparency in monetary , elections , security .
   </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Few countries allow such a large number of immigrants as the US, though there certainly are hoops to jump through.Ask Art Bell about those hoops!Art Bell's Wife Denied U.S. Visahttp://www.coasttocoastam.com/cimages/var/ezwebin\_site/storage/images/coast-to-coast/repository/photos/art-s-postal-receipts/409589-1-eng-US/Art-s-Postal-Receipts.jpgThe problem the USA has is corrupt officials, oath breakers, a fractional reserve system which has been fractured by bankster gambling, corporate media, electronic vote tabulation devices which firewall out public oversight, and the wrong approach to health.
All of them are now using timing as their weapon of choice.
When a bill passes, when a law takes effect, etc.
And obscurity in operations, spying, lies, state secrets and dirty tricks.
Eliminate the listed parasites and America would indeed be the best place on Earth.
What we have now is a trust problem because there is no transparency in monetary, elections, security.
   </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493647</id>
	<title>Come to Italy!</title>
	<author>Silvio Berlusconi</author>
	<datestamp>1246105140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm working hard as Italy's Prime Minister to build a country where your criminal record counts as a job resume. Therefore if you're a thief, a drugs dealer, a money launderer for the Mafia, a murderer or simply someone who cheats on his wife using government's money to hire high rank escorts and let them fly on government's planes, you will have a high chance to become an honorable citizen over here and maybe also get a government job.
To be honest, you could get badly beaten by our police if you talk in public about such nonsenses as democracy or freedom, and no newspaper or tv news would give a slight detail about that because I own them as well, but these are details only subversive communists should be concerned about. The country I'm building will be really nice to the <i>right</i> people like you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm working hard as Italy 's Prime Minister to build a country where your criminal record counts as a job resume .
Therefore if you 're a thief , a drugs dealer , a money launderer for the Mafia , a murderer or simply someone who cheats on his wife using government 's money to hire high rank escorts and let them fly on government 's planes , you will have a high chance to become an honorable citizen over here and maybe also get a government job .
To be honest , you could get badly beaten by our police if you talk in public about such nonsenses as democracy or freedom , and no newspaper or tv news would give a slight detail about that because I own them as well , but these are details only subversive communists should be concerned about .
The country I 'm building will be really nice to the right people like you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm working hard as Italy's Prime Minister to build a country where your criminal record counts as a job resume.
Therefore if you're a thief, a drugs dealer, a money launderer for the Mafia, a murderer or simply someone who cheats on his wife using government's money to hire high rank escorts and let them fly on government's planes, you will have a high chance to become an honorable citizen over here and maybe also get a government job.
To be honest, you could get badly beaten by our police if you talk in public about such nonsenses as democracy or freedom, and no newspaper or tv news would give a slight detail about that because I own them as well, but these are details only subversive communists should be concerned about.
The country I'm building will be really nice to the right people like you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28495597</id>
	<title>Don't leave, join the Pirate Party and fight back</title>
	<author>cabalamat3</author>
	<datestamp>1246124700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One problem with leaving the UK is that assaults on civil liberties are happening in other Western democracies too. So instead of leaving the country, you should fight back.

</p><p>One way to do this is to join the <a href="http://pirateparty.org.uk/" title="pirateparty.org.uk" rel="nofollow">Pirate Party UK</a> [pirateparty.org.uk], which is focussed on defending your civil liberties from governments and corporations that want to destroy them. We're for freedom of speech (and therefore against people having their net access cut off), against ID cards, against software patents, and against the government snooping on your email and phone calls.

</p><p>One objection is that campaigning doesn't achieve results. This is untrue: Pirate Party achieved 7\% in the recent Swedish election, and since the Internet and issues involved are worldwide, there's no reason PPUK can't achieve similar results. In fact, we should be able to achieve an even higher vote share because:

</p><ul>
<li>Every year, more people use the Internet, and they use it to do more stuff. There are an estimated 7 million fileshares in the UK today; in two years time there may be 8 million, or 10 million, or 15 million. That's more people who care about the issues we care about and the big parties ignore.</li><li>Our support is concentrated among mainly younger voters who use the Internet as part of their native culture. Every year, another load of 18 year olds get to vote, and many will vote for us, if the Swedish example is anything to go by.</li><li>the entertainment industry and the government aren't going to stop trying to take away our liberties. Every time they do, we'll get more coverage and support.</li><li>Swedish PP support is skewed towards male voters. But women use the Internet just as much as men, and have as much reason to care about their liberties. Once we've cracked the problem of getting women to vote for us in equal numbers, our vote share could almost double.</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>One problem with leaving the UK is that assaults on civil liberties are happening in other Western democracies too .
So instead of leaving the country , you should fight back .
One way to do this is to join the Pirate Party UK [ pirateparty.org.uk ] , which is focussed on defending your civil liberties from governments and corporations that want to destroy them .
We 're for freedom of speech ( and therefore against people having their net access cut off ) , against ID cards , against software patents , and against the government snooping on your email and phone calls .
One objection is that campaigning does n't achieve results .
This is untrue : Pirate Party achieved 7 \ % in the recent Swedish election , and since the Internet and issues involved are worldwide , there 's no reason PPUK ca n't achieve similar results .
In fact , we should be able to achieve an even higher vote share because : Every year , more people use the Internet , and they use it to do more stuff .
There are an estimated 7 million fileshares in the UK today ; in two years time there may be 8 million , or 10 million , or 15 million .
That 's more people who care about the issues we care about and the big parties ignore.Our support is concentrated among mainly younger voters who use the Internet as part of their native culture .
Every year , another load of 18 year olds get to vote , and many will vote for us , if the Swedish example is anything to go by.the entertainment industry and the government are n't going to stop trying to take away our liberties .
Every time they do , we 'll get more coverage and support.Swedish PP support is skewed towards male voters .
But women use the Internet just as much as men , and have as much reason to care about their liberties .
Once we 've cracked the problem of getting women to vote for us in equal numbers , our vote share could almost double .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One problem with leaving the UK is that assaults on civil liberties are happening in other Western democracies too.
So instead of leaving the country, you should fight back.
One way to do this is to join the Pirate Party UK [pirateparty.org.uk], which is focussed on defending your civil liberties from governments and corporations that want to destroy them.
We're for freedom of speech (and therefore against people having their net access cut off), against ID cards, against software patents, and against the government snooping on your email and phone calls.
One objection is that campaigning doesn't achieve results.
This is untrue: Pirate Party achieved 7\% in the recent Swedish election, and since the Internet and issues involved are worldwide, there's no reason PPUK can't achieve similar results.
In fact, we should be able to achieve an even higher vote share because:


Every year, more people use the Internet, and they use it to do more stuff.
There are an estimated 7 million fileshares in the UK today; in two years time there may be 8 million, or 10 million, or 15 million.
That's more people who care about the issues we care about and the big parties ignore.Our support is concentrated among mainly younger voters who use the Internet as part of their native culture.
Every year, another load of 18 year olds get to vote, and many will vote for us, if the Swedish example is anything to go by.the entertainment industry and the government aren't going to stop trying to take away our liberties.
Every time they do, we'll get more coverage and support.Swedish PP support is skewed towards male voters.
But women use the Internet just as much as men, and have as much reason to care about their liberties.
Once we've cracked the problem of getting women to vote for us in equal numbers, our vote share could almost double.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493811</id>
	<title>like it or not</title>
	<author>j1mmy</author>
	<datestamp>1246107960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you're probably more free as a citizen of your native UK than you would be as a foreign worker in some other country</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you 're probably more free as a citizen of your native UK than you would be as a foreign worker in some other country</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you're probably more free as a citizen of your native UK than you would be as a foreign worker in some other country</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0152216.28493493</id>
	<title>Re:Finland</title>
	<author>jez9999</author>
	<datestamp>1246102980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Finland has the best privacy laws in the world, and Finns enjoy a lot of rights, such as "right to roam" [wikipedia.org]. Finland also had women's suffrage in 1906, much earlier than most countries. Finland is also a highly technological nation, which since you post on slashdot, is probably a plus.</i></p><p>Out of interest, I just thought I'd point out that Finland has, in my opinion, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finland#Politics\_and\_government" title="wikipedia.org">the best</a> [wikipedia.org] electoral system in the world.  Open-list Proportional Representation, with a unicameral parliament (IMHO, the only reason you ever need a second chamber is because the first one is so shit it needs to be slapped down occasionally - make the first better, and you don't need a second one).  Maybe a coincidence, but I doubt it.  Anyone who says first-past-the-post is better is, well, wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finland has the best privacy laws in the world , and Finns enjoy a lot of rights , such as " right to roam " [ wikipedia.org ] .
Finland also had women 's suffrage in 1906 , much earlier than most countries .
Finland is also a highly technological nation , which since you post on slashdot , is probably a plus.Out of interest , I just thought I 'd point out that Finland has , in my opinion , the best [ wikipedia.org ] electoral system in the world .
Open-list Proportional Representation , with a unicameral parliament ( IMHO , the only reason you ever need a second chamber is because the first one is so shit it needs to be slapped down occasionally - make the first better , and you do n't need a second one ) .
Maybe a coincidence , but I doubt it .
Anyone who says first-past-the-post is better is , well , wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finland has the best privacy laws in the world, and Finns enjoy a lot of rights, such as "right to roam" [wikipedia.org].
Finland also had women's suffrage in 1906, much earlier than most countries.
Finland is also a highly technological nation, which since you post on slashdot, is probably a plus.Out of interest, I just thought I'd point out that Finland has, in my opinion, the best [wikipedia.org] electoral system in the world.
Open-list Proportional Representation, with a unicameral parliament (IMHO, the only reason you ever need a second chamber is because the first one is so shit it needs to be slapped down occasionally - make the first better, and you don't need a second one).
Maybe a coincidence, but I doubt it.
Anyone who says first-past-the-post is better is, well, wrong.</sentencetext>
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