<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_25_1514223</id>
	<title>Microsoft Discloses Windows 7 Pricing</title>
	<author>CmdrTaco</author>
	<datestamp>1245944580000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>It's the tripnaut! writes <i>"Information Week has <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218101310&amp;subSection=All+Stories">posted prices for Windows 7</a>.  From the article: 'The full version of Windows 7 Home Premium is priced at $199, with an upgrade from Vista or XP costing $119. The full version of Windows 7 Professional is $299, with upgrades going for $199. Windows 7 Ultimate is priced at $319, with the upgrade version at $219.'  In a nod to the global economic downturn, it is interesting to note that prices are 10\% lower than Vista."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the tripnaut !
writes " Information Week has posted prices for Windows 7 .
From the article : 'The full version of Windows 7 Home Premium is priced at $ 199 , with an upgrade from Vista or XP costing $ 119 .
The full version of Windows 7 Professional is $ 299 , with upgrades going for $ 199 .
Windows 7 Ultimate is priced at $ 319 , with the upgrade version at $ 219 .
' In a nod to the global economic downturn , it is interesting to note that prices are 10 \ % lower than Vista .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the tripnaut!
writes "Information Week has posted prices for Windows 7.
From the article: 'The full version of Windows 7 Home Premium is priced at $199, with an upgrade from Vista or XP costing $119.
The full version of Windows 7 Professional is $299, with upgrades going for $199.
Windows 7 Ultimate is priced at $319, with the upgrade version at $219.
'  In a nod to the global economic downturn, it is interesting to note that prices are 10\% lower than Vista.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467865</id>
	<title>Re:More importantly...</title>
	<author>AndrewNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1245951420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, the Professional edition comes with XP mode.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , the Professional edition comes with XP mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, the Professional edition comes with XP mode.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468245</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Rolgar</author>
	<datestamp>1245952800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WGA will still be required, right?  Onerous licensing that means you don't have final authority over your OS?  As far as increasing their market share, most Apple fans probably aren't going to be buying Win 7, and many Linux users probably won't either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WGA will still be required , right ?
Onerous licensing that means you do n't have final authority over your OS ?
As far as increasing their market share , most Apple fans probably are n't going to be buying Win 7 , and many Linux users probably wo n't either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WGA will still be required, right?
Onerous licensing that means you don't have final authority over your OS?
As far as increasing their market share, most Apple fans probably aren't going to be buying Win 7, and many Linux users probably won't either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467615</id>
	<title>Re:Wow! Microsoft you really dont have a clue do y</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1245950520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I suggest you HIRE SOMEONE WITH A CLUE.</i></p><p>It's not necessary to have clues, honesty, professionalism, courtesy, security, or lack of bugs when you have the market share Microsoft does. Hell, if I could make tons of money producing overpriced crap, I'd sell crap and overprice it, too!</p><p>Gees, guys, lay off poor Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suggest you HIRE SOMEONE WITH A CLUE.It 's not necessary to have clues , honesty , professionalism , courtesy , security , or lack of bugs when you have the market share Microsoft does .
Hell , if I could make tons of money producing overpriced crap , I 'd sell crap and overprice it , too ! Gees , guys , lay off poor Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suggest you HIRE SOMEONE WITH A CLUE.It's not necessary to have clues, honesty, professionalism, courtesy, security, or lack of bugs when you have the market share Microsoft does.
Hell, if I could make tons of money producing overpriced crap, I'd sell crap and overprice it, too!Gees, guys, lay off poor Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470217</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>The End Of Days</author>
	<datestamp>1245960120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, you true believers really haven't come up with any new lines in like 10 years.  You oughta have a conference to invent some modern insults.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , you true believers really have n't come up with any new lines in like 10 years .
You oughta have a conference to invent some modern insults .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, you true believers really haven't come up with any new lines in like 10 years.
You oughta have a conference to invent some modern insults.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28476929</id>
	<title>I'd like to see Mac OS X on generic PC mobos</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1245947220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd like to see the installer DVD for Snow Leopard, <i>surprise!</i>, install on any Core 2 mobo. If Apple didn't advertise it and didn't promote it, and didn't <i>officially</i> support it, but let "it just work", imagine the turmoil in Redmond when a $39 competitor's upgrade runs on all of the hardware they were hoping to co-opt at $100+ a pop.<br> <br>

After all, later versions of the Leopard installer DVD will install <i>surprise!</i> onto certain Dell laptops without intervention, and this is not an accident of Dell design...<br> <br>

The Dell support staff will even give advice on how to make it work better!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to see the installer DVD for Snow Leopard , surprise ! , install on any Core 2 mobo .
If Apple did n't advertise it and did n't promote it , and did n't officially support it , but let " it just work " , imagine the turmoil in Redmond when a $ 39 competitor 's upgrade runs on all of the hardware they were hoping to co-opt at $ 100 + a pop .
After all , later versions of the Leopard installer DVD will install surprise !
onto certain Dell laptops without intervention , and this is not an accident of Dell design.. . The Dell support staff will even give advice on how to make it work better !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to see the installer DVD for Snow Leopard, surprise!, install on any Core 2 mobo.
If Apple didn't advertise it and didn't promote it, and didn't officially support it, but let "it just work", imagine the turmoil in Redmond when a $39 competitor's upgrade runs on all of the hardware they were hoping to co-opt at $100+ a pop.
After all, later versions of the Leopard installer DVD will install surprise!
onto certain Dell laptops without intervention, and this is not an accident of Dell design... 

The Dell support staff will even give advice on how to make it work better!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467069</id>
	<title>Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245948360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I ended up getting Vista Ultimate.</p><p>Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.</p><p>The upgrade from Vista Ultimate to Win 7 Ultimate should be free.</p><p>That will teach me for buying a boxed, non-OEM version of Windows I guess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ended up getting Vista Ultimate.Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.The upgrade from Vista Ultimate to Win 7 Ultimate should be free.That will teach me for buying a boxed , non-OEM version of Windows I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ended up getting Vista Ultimate.Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.The upgrade from Vista Ultimate to Win 7 Ultimate should be free.That will teach me for buying a boxed, non-OEM version of Windows I guess.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467285</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're forgetting that Apple makes most of its profits off it's hardware, not their operating system. Microsoft doesn't have that comfort.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're forgetting that Apple makes most of its profits off it 's hardware , not their operating system .
Microsoft does n't have that comfort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're forgetting that Apple makes most of its profits off it's hardware, not their operating system.
Microsoft doesn't have that comfort.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468999</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone actually buy windows?</title>
	<author>pregister</author>
	<datestamp>1245955620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I buy Windows.  I use an iMac and linux via vmware for most of my computing needs, but I do build a new gaming PC every 3-4 years.  I'm no longer a poor college student and I no longer pirate my games or OS.  I, and most of my friends, stopped pirating software once we got real jobs and could afford to buy the software we use.  I simply prefer to have a completely legal and clean PC.</p><p>That said, I'm still using XP.  I'll probably buy Windows 7 at some point.  I'd like to try the 64 bit version and have heard decent things about DX10 from gaming friends.  I saw zero point in giving Microsoft money for Vista but will probably make the jump to 7.</p><p>So.  Some of us actually do go out and buy Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I buy Windows .
I use an iMac and linux via vmware for most of my computing needs , but I do build a new gaming PC every 3-4 years .
I 'm no longer a poor college student and I no longer pirate my games or OS .
I , and most of my friends , stopped pirating software once we got real jobs and could afford to buy the software we use .
I simply prefer to have a completely legal and clean PC.That said , I 'm still using XP .
I 'll probably buy Windows 7 at some point .
I 'd like to try the 64 bit version and have heard decent things about DX10 from gaming friends .
I saw zero point in giving Microsoft money for Vista but will probably make the jump to 7.So .
Some of us actually do go out and buy Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I buy Windows.
I use an iMac and linux via vmware for most of my computing needs, but I do build a new gaming PC every 3-4 years.
I'm no longer a poor college student and I no longer pirate my games or OS.
I, and most of my friends, stopped pirating software once we got real jobs and could afford to buy the software we use.
I simply prefer to have a completely legal and clean PC.That said, I'm still using XP.
I'll probably buy Windows 7 at some point.
I'd like to try the 64 bit version and have heard decent things about DX10 from gaming friends.
I saw zero point in giving Microsoft money for Vista but will probably make the jump to 7.So.
Some of us actually do go out and buy Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469371</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>drsmithy</author>
	<datestamp>1245956880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Well if you don't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing.</i>
</p><p>There is no such thing as a "non-upgrade FULL VERSION" of OS X.  All retail copies of OS X are priced as upgrades.  You are not licensed to use them unless you already have an OS X license (by owning a Mac).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if you do n't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $ 120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing .
There is no such thing as a " non-upgrade FULL VERSION " of OS X. All retail copies of OS X are priced as upgrades .
You are not licensed to use them unless you already have an OS X license ( by owning a Mac ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Well if you don't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing.
There is no such thing as a "non-upgrade FULL VERSION" of OS X.  All retail copies of OS X are priced as upgrades.
You are not licensed to use them unless you already have an OS X license (by owning a Mac).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467389</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone actually buy windows?</title>
	<author>cliffski</author>
	<datestamp>1245949620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a legit copy.<br>I store my business details and do internet banking from my PC. Why would I be dense enough to trust a copy downloaded from thepiratebay?</p><p>Theres no need to write trojans that bypass windows security and firewalls when there are people happy to actually get hold of a malware-infested O/S from day one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a legit copy.I store my business details and do internet banking from my PC .
Why would I be dense enough to trust a copy downloaded from thepiratebay ? Theres no need to write trojans that bypass windows security and firewalls when there are people happy to actually get hold of a malware-infested O/S from day one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a legit copy.I store my business details and do internet banking from my PC.
Why would I be dense enough to trust a copy downloaded from thepiratebay?Theres no need to write trojans that bypass windows security and firewalls when there are people happy to actually get hold of a malware-infested O/S from day one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28475173</id>
	<title>WHY NO 32Bit TO 64Bit UPGRADE ??</title>
	<author>Latinhypercube</author>
	<datestamp>1245935640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is Microsoft RETARDING the move to 64bit by FORCING users to pay the FULL PRICE and not allowing a 32bit xp to 64-bit Win7 UPGRADE ??!!! (or 32bit XP to 64 XP upgrade)
It is little wonder that Apple sails by, since Apple encouraged upgrading from OS9 to OSX instead of PENALIZING !
Especially when Windows 7 consumes TWICE AS MUCH RAM ! (64bit allows over 4 GB of ram)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is Microsoft RETARDING the move to 64bit by FORCING users to pay the FULL PRICE and not allowing a 32bit xp to 64-bit Win7 UPGRADE ? ? ! ! !
( or 32bit XP to 64 XP upgrade ) It is little wonder that Apple sails by , since Apple encouraged upgrading from OS9 to OSX instead of PENALIZING !
Especially when Windows 7 consumes TWICE AS MUCH RAM !
( 64bit allows over 4 GB of ram )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is Microsoft RETARDING the move to 64bit by FORCING users to pay the FULL PRICE and not allowing a 32bit xp to 64-bit Win7 UPGRADE ??!!!
(or 32bit XP to 64 XP upgrade)
It is little wonder that Apple sails by, since Apple encouraged upgrading from OS9 to OSX instead of PENALIZING !
Especially when Windows 7 consumes TWICE AS MUCH RAM !
(64bit allows over 4 GB of ram)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467203</id>
	<title>10\% cheaper but...</title>
	<author>Lord Jester</author>
	<datestamp>1245948900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>still 100\% overpriced.</p><p>Sure, Mac OSX is less, but you are paying for that with the outrageously over-priced hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>still 100 \ % overpriced.Sure , Mac OSX is less , but you are paying for that with the outrageously over-priced hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>still 100\% overpriced.Sure, Mac OSX is less, but you are paying for that with the outrageously over-priced hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468939</id>
	<title>Re:Do not hate me.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245955380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You really haven't given a very convincing reason to shell out a couple hundred bucks for a new OS.  Is "on par with XP" supposed to be a feature?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You really have n't given a very convincing reason to shell out a couple hundred bucks for a new OS .
Is " on par with XP " supposed to be a feature ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really haven't given a very convincing reason to shell out a couple hundred bucks for a new OS.
Is "on par with XP" supposed to be a feature?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467961</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245951720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why not give away the lowest level of your OS for free to retain your market share?</p></div><p>Because 1 million * $0 &lt; 1 thousand * $120.  For a business, market share is only useful if that portion of the market will pay you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not give away the lowest level of your OS for free to retain your market share ? Because 1 million * $ 0</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not give away the lowest level of your OS for free to retain your market share?Because 1 million * $0 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467691</id>
	<title>No thanks, I'll be pirating Windows 7.</title>
	<author>Doug52392</author>
	<datestamp>1245950820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>After the two years I had to spend on Windows Vista, I figure a free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate is a justifiable compensation for all of the frustration and emotional trauma I have endured.</htmltext>
<tokenext>After the two years I had to spend on Windows Vista , I figure a free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate is a justifiable compensation for all of the frustration and emotional trauma I have endured .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After the two years I had to spend on Windows Vista, I figure a free copy of Windows 7 Ultimate is a justifiable compensation for all of the frustration and emotional trauma I have endured.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468769</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>Poingggg</author>
	<datestamp>1245954720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think OEM's and shops should be obliged to have their pc's standard without an OS installed on it, and sell the (installation of the) OS as a separate item. So in a catalog it should be something like:<br>PC $$<br>Installed with Windows $$$$$ (Windows Super Ultra DeLuxe DRM-Enhanced Turbo Diesel Version $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ )<br>Installed with Ubuntu (or your Linux flavor of choice) $$$</p><p>That way, it would become clear to customers that there is a MS-tax and that there are other OS-es than Windows AND they would be given a choice.</p><p>But i'm afraid some firm from Redmont (or Redmond, too lazy to look it up), might object....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think OEM 's and shops should be obliged to have their pc 's standard without an OS installed on it , and sell the ( installation of the ) OS as a separate item .
So in a catalog it should be something like : PC $ $ Installed with Windows $ $ $ $ $ ( Windows Super Ultra DeLuxe DRM-Enhanced Turbo Diesel Version $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ ) Installed with Ubuntu ( or your Linux flavor of choice ) $ $ $ That way , it would become clear to customers that there is a MS-tax and that there are other OS-es than Windows AND they would be given a choice.But i 'm afraid some firm from Redmont ( or Redmond , too lazy to look it up ) , might object... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think OEM's and shops should be obliged to have their pc's standard without an OS installed on it, and sell the (installation of the) OS as a separate item.
So in a catalog it should be something like:PC $$Installed with Windows $$$$$ (Windows Super Ultra DeLuxe DRM-Enhanced Turbo Diesel Version $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ )Installed with Ubuntu (or your Linux flavor of choice) $$$That way, it would become clear to customers that there is a MS-tax and that there are other OS-es than Windows AND they would be given a choice.But i'm afraid some firm from Redmont (or Redmond, too lazy to look it up), might object....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467985</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone actually buy windows?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245951840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Especially since for home power-users, if you're going to drop $300 on an MS OS, you might as well spend $350 for a TechNet subscription, which lets you get any MS OS you want and upgrade/downgrade all the PCs in the house (in a quasi-legal sort of way...) As a bonus, if they release a new version within your subscription period, you can get the upgrade, too.</p><p>As a bonus, you can grab Office, too...</p><p>Not that *I* would ever do such a thing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Especially since for home power-users , if you 're going to drop $ 300 on an MS OS , you might as well spend $ 350 for a TechNet subscription , which lets you get any MS OS you want and upgrade/downgrade all the PCs in the house ( in a quasi-legal sort of way... ) As a bonus , if they release a new version within your subscription period , you can get the upgrade , too.As a bonus , you can grab Office , too...Not that * I * would ever do such a thing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Especially since for home power-users, if you're going to drop $300 on an MS OS, you might as well spend $350 for a TechNet subscription, which lets you get any MS OS you want and upgrade/downgrade all the PCs in the house (in a quasi-legal sort of way...) As a bonus, if they release a new version within your subscription period, you can get the upgrade, too.As a bonus, you can grab Office, too...Not that *I* would ever do such a thing...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467633</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>riegel</author>
	<datestamp>1245950640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WOW! Its free! And I am sure Microsoft would love for everyone to continue to think that.</p><p>And the government is out to get nice cuddly Microsoft for anti trust. How can it be they give me their OS for free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WOW !
Its free !
And I am sure Microsoft would love for everyone to continue to think that.And the government is out to get nice cuddly Microsoft for anti trust .
How can it be they give me their OS for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WOW!
Its free!
And I am sure Microsoft would love for everyone to continue to think that.And the government is out to get nice cuddly Microsoft for anti trust.
How can it be they give me their OS for free.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467397</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1245949620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $30 [...]</i></p><p>...If you already have 10.5.</p></div><p>I do believe that is what <i>upgrade</i> means.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $ 30 [ ... ] ...If you already have 10.5.I do believe that is what upgrade means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $30 [...]...If you already have 10.5.I do believe that is what upgrade means.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469119</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>maugle</author>
	<datestamp>1245955920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get out of the 90's?  Where cave were you living in when Vista was released?  It had plenty of security problems, and while it didn't have much in the way of crashes it compensated by being the very <i>definition</i> of bloat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get out of the 90 's ?
Where cave were you living in when Vista was released ?
It had plenty of security problems , and while it did n't have much in the way of crashes it compensated by being the very definition of bloat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get out of the 90's?
Where cave were you living in when Vista was released?
It had plenty of security problems, and while it didn't have much in the way of crashes it compensated by being the very definition of bloat.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468097</id>
	<title>Re:IMO...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245952320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is it that an OS you're going to use for 8+ hours a day for 3+ years should never cost even double a game that you'll play maybe 4 hours a day for a couple weeks?  Also the OS is well more then twice as complicated and cost well more then twice as much to create.  MS doesn't just make these prices up.  People will pay more then twice as much.  They do market research.   You, on the other hand, are just making stuff up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it that an OS you 're going to use for 8 + hours a day for 3 + years should never cost even double a game that you 'll play maybe 4 hours a day for a couple weeks ?
Also the OS is well more then twice as complicated and cost well more then twice as much to create .
MS does n't just make these prices up .
People will pay more then twice as much .
They do market research .
You , on the other hand , are just making stuff up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it that an OS you're going to use for 8+ hours a day for 3+ years should never cost even double a game that you'll play maybe 4 hours a day for a couple weeks?
Also the OS is well more then twice as complicated and cost well more then twice as much to create.
MS doesn't just make these prices up.
People will pay more then twice as much.
They do market research.
You, on the other hand, are just making stuff up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467731</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Graff</author>
	<datestamp>1245950940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $30 [...]</p></div><p>...If you already have 10.5.</p></div><p>Well if you don't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing.  Compare that to the equivalent Windows 7 Professional at $299.  And yes, you compare the regular version of Snow Leopard to Windows 7 Professional.  Unlike Microsoft, Apple doesn't cripple their product for the home user.  All the "professional" features in Windows 7 Professional are pretty much the same as what's in regular version of Snow Leopard.</p><p>Apple has 3 pricing levels for their consumer (non-server) operating systems:<br>$29 upgrade<br>$120 home (same as Windows Professional)<br>$199 family (5 license version of home)</p><p>You can get discounts on these if you are a student, an educator, or a developer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $ 30 [ ... ] ...If you already have 10.5.Well if you do n't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $ 120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing .
Compare that to the equivalent Windows 7 Professional at $ 299 .
And yes , you compare the regular version of Snow Leopard to Windows 7 Professional .
Unlike Microsoft , Apple does n't cripple their product for the home user .
All the " professional " features in Windows 7 Professional are pretty much the same as what 's in regular version of Snow Leopard.Apple has 3 pricing levels for their consumer ( non-server ) operating systems : $ 29 upgrade $ 120 home ( same as Windows Professional ) $ 199 family ( 5 license version of home ) You can get discounts on these if you are a student , an educator , or a developer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $30 [...]...If you already have 10.5.Well if you don't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing.
Compare that to the equivalent Windows 7 Professional at $299.
And yes, you compare the regular version of Snow Leopard to Windows 7 Professional.
Unlike Microsoft, Apple doesn't cripple their product for the home user.
All the "professional" features in Windows 7 Professional are pretty much the same as what's in regular version of Snow Leopard.Apple has 3 pricing levels for their consumer (non-server) operating systems:$29 upgrade$120 home (same as Windows Professional)$199 family (5 license version of home)You can get discounts on these if you are a student, an educator, or a developer.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470381</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>onefriedrice</author>
	<datestamp>1245960780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, but this is slashdot.  Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure.  Get out of the 90's.</p></div><p>I don't have to be stuck in the 90's to remember Vista.  It's still all too fresh on my mind.  I'm... damaged.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , but this is slashdot .
Anything Microsoft = bloat , crashes , unsecure .
Get out of the 90 's.I do n't have to be stuck in the 90 's to remember Vista .
It 's still all too fresh on my mind .
I 'm... damaged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, but this is slashdot.
Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure.
Get out of the 90's.I don't have to be stuck in the 90's to remember Vista.
It's still all too fresh on my mind.
I'm... damaged.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467823</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>IsaacD</author>
	<datestamp>1245951300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>you slimy little windows fanboi!!! rot in hell!! Linux was sent by God himself. Microshaft suckware is useless. No one can accomplish anything using anything from Micro$hit. Linux and OSS has never once suffered any type of security flaw or any shortcoming of any type. Linux works flawlessly and requires zero time for configuration. Getting Windoze installed takes 4 days and costs 90 gazillion dollars - IT'S USELESS!!! The only way to be productive is to use Linux and OSS!!!!

Oh, and Bill Gates is Satan!</htmltext>
<tokenext>you slimy little windows fanboi ! ! !
rot in hell ! !
Linux was sent by God himself .
Microshaft suckware is useless .
No one can accomplish anything using anything from Micro $ hit .
Linux and OSS has never once suffered any type of security flaw or any shortcoming of any type .
Linux works flawlessly and requires zero time for configuration .
Getting Windoze installed takes 4 days and costs 90 gazillion dollars - IT 'S USELESS ! ! !
The only way to be productive is to use Linux and OSS ! ! ! !
Oh , and Bill Gates is Satan !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you slimy little windows fanboi!!!
rot in hell!!
Linux was sent by God himself.
Microshaft suckware is useless.
No one can accomplish anything using anything from Micro$hit.
Linux and OSS has never once suffered any type of security flaw or any shortcoming of any type.
Linux works flawlessly and requires zero time for configuration.
Getting Windoze installed takes 4 days and costs 90 gazillion dollars - IT'S USELESS!!!
The only way to be productive is to use Linux and OSS!!!!
Oh, and Bill Gates is Satan!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469103</id>
	<title>Re:Editions</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245955920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm glad that with Windows 7 Microsoft mostly reverted back to the kind of editions they marketed Windows XP with. It's now much more clear which one to buy when it is distinguised by Home and Professional, then Ultimate for the power user.</p></div><p>Power User?   What "power" does Ultimate provide of interest to a Power User?</p><p>
&nbsp; </p><p>Vista Ultimate, if I'm not mistaken, is Vista Business with the Home Premium apps (aka, Microsoft's half-baked attempt at Apple's iLife suite, bundled free with every copy of Leopard).   7 would probably follow the same model?</p><p>
&nbsp; </p><p>Windows 7 Business is probably the version of most interest to the Power User.  The Home version has historically been a crippled version of the Business or Pro version, with useful network and other OS features deliberately limited or disabled altogether.  Power Users would probably care less about the Home-based Ultimate stuff for which there are better, cheaper, and probably free alternatives (and "Power Users" know how to find them!)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad that with Windows 7 Microsoft mostly reverted back to the kind of editions they marketed Windows XP with .
It 's now much more clear which one to buy when it is distinguised by Home and Professional , then Ultimate for the power user.Power User ?
What " power " does Ultimate provide of interest to a Power User ?
  Vista Ultimate , if I 'm not mistaken , is Vista Business with the Home Premium apps ( aka , Microsoft 's half-baked attempt at Apple 's iLife suite , bundled free with every copy of Leopard ) .
7 would probably follow the same model ?
  Windows 7 Business is probably the version of most interest to the Power User .
The Home version has historically been a crippled version of the Business or Pro version , with useful network and other OS features deliberately limited or disabled altogether .
Power Users would probably care less about the Home-based Ultimate stuff for which there are better , cheaper , and probably free alternatives ( and " Power Users " know how to find them !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad that with Windows 7 Microsoft mostly reverted back to the kind of editions they marketed Windows XP with.
It's now much more clear which one to buy when it is distinguised by Home and Professional, then Ultimate for the power user.Power User?
What "power" does Ultimate provide of interest to a Power User?
  Vista Ultimate, if I'm not mistaken, is Vista Business with the Home Premium apps (aka, Microsoft's half-baked attempt at Apple's iLife suite, bundled free with every copy of Leopard).
7 would probably follow the same model?
  Windows 7 Business is probably the version of most interest to the Power User.
The Home version has historically been a crippled version of the Business or Pro version, with useful network and other OS features deliberately limited or disabled altogether.
Power Users would probably care less about the Home-based Ultimate stuff for which there are better, cheaper, and probably free alternatives (and "Power Users" know how to find them!
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468459</id>
	<title>Re:IMO...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245953640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make that $100, $50, and $20 respectively, and you'll get my vote.<br>
&nbsp; <br>I justify my prices based on the frequency with which I'd like to purchase such things.  (I mean really, a video game shouldn't cost more than a quarter of a minimum wage worker's paycheck for fuck's sake).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make that $ 100 , $ 50 , and $ 20 respectively , and you 'll get my vote .
  I justify my prices based on the frequency with which I 'd like to purchase such things .
( I mean really , a video game should n't cost more than a quarter of a minimum wage worker 's paycheck for fuck 's sake ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make that $100, $50, and $20 respectively, and you'll get my vote.
  I justify my prices based on the frequency with which I'd like to purchase such things.
(I mean really, a video game shouldn't cost more than a quarter of a minimum wage worker's paycheck for fuck's sake).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467483</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1245950040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.</p></div><p>The "Ultimate" content is available, you have to download it through Windows Update.  But I really don't feel it is worth price difference.  All you get are a few animated wallpapers and some half-assed security/encryption/backup features.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.The " Ultimate " content is available , you have to download it through Windows Update .
But I really do n't feel it is worth price difference .
All you get are a few animated wallpapers and some half-assed security/encryption/backup features .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.The "Ultimate" content is available, you have to download it through Windows Update.
But I really don't feel it is worth price difference.
All you get are a few animated wallpapers and some half-assed security/encryption/backup features.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468273</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245952920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dropping the price may well increase the number of copies sold, but Microsoft doesn't directly care about that metric.  It's all about the bottom line.</p><p>If you sell 100 copies at $300, you have $30,000 total, and 100 users to support.</p><p>If you sell 1000 copies at $30, you still have $30,000, but now you must support 1000 users.</p><p>The lower volume at a higher price is thus more profitable due to reduced support/maintenance costs.  There is also the argument to be said that people who pirate Windows are likely to pirate it regardless of price, because there is little if any incentive to go legit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dropping the price may well increase the number of copies sold , but Microsoft does n't directly care about that metric .
It 's all about the bottom line.If you sell 100 copies at $ 300 , you have $ 30,000 total , and 100 users to support.If you sell 1000 copies at $ 30 , you still have $ 30,000 , but now you must support 1000 users.The lower volume at a higher price is thus more profitable due to reduced support/maintenance costs .
There is also the argument to be said that people who pirate Windows are likely to pirate it regardless of price , because there is little if any incentive to go legit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dropping the price may well increase the number of copies sold, but Microsoft doesn't directly care about that metric.
It's all about the bottom line.If you sell 100 copies at $300, you have $30,000 total, and 100 users to support.If you sell 1000 copies at $30, you still have $30,000, but now you must support 1000 users.The lower volume at a higher price is thus more profitable due to reduced support/maintenance costs.
There is also the argument to be said that people who pirate Windows are likely to pirate it regardless of price, because there is little if any incentive to go legit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468445</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245953640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do realize that something like 80\%+ of the people on Slashdot run Windows, right?  (from site statistics)</p><p>Slashdot the site may have a Linux bias but the people here are mostly running Windows.  Most of the Microsoft bashing is just poseur herd mentality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize that something like 80 \ % + of the people on Slashdot run Windows , right ?
( from site statistics ) Slashdot the site may have a Linux bias but the people here are mostly running Windows .
Most of the Microsoft bashing is just poseur herd mentality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize that something like 80\%+ of the people on Slashdot run Windows, right?
(from site statistics)Slashdot the site may have a Linux bias but the people here are mostly running Windows.
Most of the Microsoft bashing is just poseur herd mentality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467151</id>
	<title>10\% lower than Vista?</title>
	<author>pushing-robot</author>
	<datestamp>1245948720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They've dropped Home Basic and moved Home Premium into its price slot.<br>Other than that, every version of Windows 7 costs as much as Vista does now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've dropped Home Basic and moved Home Premium into its price slot.Other than that , every version of Windows 7 costs as much as Vista does now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've dropped Home Basic and moved Home Premium into its price slot.Other than that, every version of Windows 7 costs as much as Vista does now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468351</id>
	<title>Re:So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245953220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Of course, it is possible that the purchase was subsidized by the TDSB, in which case I will be very upset. The TDSB just ok'd the use of OpenOffice, and thus should have no need to spend the money.</p></div></blockquote><p>I think you just answered your own question. It seems to be a typical Microsoft ploy - once confronted with a possibility of alternate products in a marketplace, the price drops dramatically.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , it is possible that the purchase was subsidized by the TDSB , in which case I will be very upset .
The TDSB just ok 'd the use of OpenOffice , and thus should have no need to spend the money.I think you just answered your own question .
It seems to be a typical Microsoft ploy - once confronted with a possibility of alternate products in a marketplace , the price drops dramatically .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, it is possible that the purchase was subsidized by the TDSB, in which case I will be very upset.
The TDSB just ok'd the use of OpenOffice, and thus should have no need to spend the money.I think you just answered your own question.
It seems to be a typical Microsoft ploy - once confronted with a possibility of alternate products in a marketplace, the price drops dramatically.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28479957</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246018740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Given that Win 7 is essentially just a Vista service pack by another name, I will not be paying several hundred bucks to upgrade. I'll stick with XP until it is unsupported, and then I'll switch away from Microsoft altogether.</i> </p><p>Windows 7 isn't just a service pack for Vista.  For one, it's not just bug fixes.  For another, it doesn't install on top of Vista.  It is a new version of the OS with new features, and major improvements to older features.  Everyone who I have talked to who has used the beta or RC on Windows 7 has been solidly impressed.  It really is like night and day.</p><p><i><br>$30-40 I might just have considered paying, after trying Win7 myself to confirm that the problems were solved. What *should* have happened, though, was a free upgrade to the equivalent version for anybody who returned a retail copy of Vista, and a $30-40 paid upgrade to Win7 or a free downgrade to WinXP for anybody who bought a PC with Vista included.</i> </p><p>I can't help you with that.  Vista itself wasn't bad, especially after the first service pack, Windows 7 is much, much better.  On the bright side, if you pre-order (starting today, ending July 11th) you can get the upgrade for $49 (Home Premium) or $99 (Professional) rather than paying $119 and $199.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that Win 7 is essentially just a Vista service pack by another name , I will not be paying several hundred bucks to upgrade .
I 'll stick with XP until it is unsupported , and then I 'll switch away from Microsoft altogether .
Windows 7 is n't just a service pack for Vista .
For one , it 's not just bug fixes .
For another , it does n't install on top of Vista .
It is a new version of the OS with new features , and major improvements to older features .
Everyone who I have talked to who has used the beta or RC on Windows 7 has been solidly impressed .
It really is like night and day. $ 30-40 I might just have considered paying , after trying Win7 myself to confirm that the problems were solved .
What * should * have happened , though , was a free upgrade to the equivalent version for anybody who returned a retail copy of Vista , and a $ 30-40 paid upgrade to Win7 or a free downgrade to WinXP for anybody who bought a PC with Vista included .
I ca n't help you with that .
Vista itself was n't bad , especially after the first service pack , Windows 7 is much , much better .
On the bright side , if you pre-order ( starting today , ending July 11th ) you can get the upgrade for $ 49 ( Home Premium ) or $ 99 ( Professional ) rather than paying $ 119 and $ 199 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that Win 7 is essentially just a Vista service pack by another name, I will not be paying several hundred bucks to upgrade.
I'll stick with XP until it is unsupported, and then I'll switch away from Microsoft altogether.
Windows 7 isn't just a service pack for Vista.
For one, it's not just bug fixes.
For another, it doesn't install on top of Vista.
It is a new version of the OS with new features, and major improvements to older features.
Everyone who I have talked to who has used the beta or RC on Windows 7 has been solidly impressed.
It really is like night and day.$30-40 I might just have considered paying, after trying Win7 myself to confirm that the problems were solved.
What *should* have happened, though, was a free upgrade to the equivalent version for anybody who returned a retail copy of Vista, and a $30-40 paid upgrade to Win7 or a free downgrade to WinXP for anybody who bought a PC with Vista included.
I can't help you with that.
Vista itself wasn't bad, especially after the first service pack, Windows 7 is much, much better.
On the bright side, if you pre-order (starting today, ending July 11th) you can get the upgrade for $49 (Home Premium) or $99 (Professional) rather than paying $119 and $199.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467755</id>
	<title>Re:More importantly...</title>
	<author>arkhan\_jg</author>
	<datestamp>1245951060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2009/06/19/windows\_7\_downgrade\_rights\_clarity/" title="channelregister.co.uk">Yes</a> [channelregister.co.uk], for up to 18 months.</p><p>"You can only move from Windows 7 Professional to Windows Vista Business or Windows XP Professional, and from Windows 7 Ultimate to Windows Vista Ultimate or Windows XP Professional.</p><p>Organizations with Windows volume licenses, which cover 250 PCs or more, will be able to downgrade to any prior version of Windows - a standard policy.</p><p>But the downgrade window will expire before 18 months if a service pack ships. Downgrade rights to Windows Vista will not expire."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes [ channelregister.co.uk ] , for up to 18 months .
" You can only move from Windows 7 Professional to Windows Vista Business or Windows XP Professional , and from Windows 7 Ultimate to Windows Vista Ultimate or Windows XP Professional.Organizations with Windows volume licenses , which cover 250 PCs or more , will be able to downgrade to any prior version of Windows - a standard policy.But the downgrade window will expire before 18 months if a service pack ships .
Downgrade rights to Windows Vista will not expire .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes [channelregister.co.uk], for up to 18 months.
"You can only move from Windows 7 Professional to Windows Vista Business or Windows XP Professional, and from Windows 7 Ultimate to Windows Vista Ultimate or Windows XP Professional.Organizations with Windows volume licenses, which cover 250 PCs or more, will be able to downgrade to any prior version of Windows - a standard policy.But the downgrade window will expire before 18 months if a service pack ships.
Downgrade rights to Windows Vista will not expire.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28478429</id>
	<title>Re:Do not hate me.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246046520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Possibly because of all the sparse files created during installation; a large part of MS users are actually impressed by a huge OS footprint, so bigger is better...</p><p>Also, last time I checked a single layer DVD holds about 4.7GBs, not 3 (but that's just me being pedantic).</p><p>The first part of the first line was tongue-in-cheek, though the second part of it seems to be sadly true.</p><p>Spending multiple hours on an install? What a bloody waste of time; reminds me of the good old days of having to install W3.11 from 7 floppy disks though. Glad to see MS keeps the good old days alive... (no really).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Possibly because of all the sparse files created during installation ; a large part of MS users are actually impressed by a huge OS footprint , so bigger is better...Also , last time I checked a single layer DVD holds about 4.7GBs , not 3 ( but that 's just me being pedantic ) .The first part of the first line was tongue-in-cheek , though the second part of it seems to be sadly true.Spending multiple hours on an install ?
What a bloody waste of time ; reminds me of the good old days of having to install W3.11 from 7 floppy disks though .
Glad to see MS keeps the good old days alive... ( no really ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Possibly because of all the sparse files created during installation; a large part of MS users are actually impressed by a huge OS footprint, so bigger is better...Also, last time I checked a single layer DVD holds about 4.7GBs, not 3 (but that's just me being pedantic).The first part of the first line was tongue-in-cheek, though the second part of it seems to be sadly true.Spending multiple hours on an install?
What a bloody waste of time; reminds me of the good old days of having to install W3.11 from 7 floppy disks though.
Glad to see MS keeps the good old days alive... (no really).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467709</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone actually buy windows?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245950880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It seems to me that everyone I know has a pirated copy of windows: the few people people that have legal copies have them because they were bundled with the computer they bought. When was the last time someone actually went out specifically to bought a copy?</p></div><p>Your average "Joe Sixpack" home user will probably be running a pirated copy of Windows.  Their computer may have come with a legal OEM license once upon a time...  But they probably lost the discs somewhere along the way, and their OEM key probably didn't work with the discs their buddy found when they had to reload their computer to get rid of the viruses, so they wound up with a cracked copy of Windows.  And then they heard about the shiny new Vista thing and their buddy hooked them up with a cracked copy of that, too.</p><p>Mot IT-ish folks I know have legal copies - frequently acquired using some kind of student discount or corporate volume licensing program.  They aren't paying retail, but frequently don't trust the cracked copies available.</p><p>Most of the gamer folks I know have legal copies, but they're usually buying the OS with a pile of new hardware and get some kind of OEM version, so they aren't paying retail.</p><p>The <b>big</b> businesses will be on some kind of software maintenance plan with Microsoft.  They'll be able to download and install whatever flavor of Windows they feel like.  So they won't be paying retail.</p><p>The folks who typically wind up paying retail prices, from what I've seen, are the small/medium sized businesses.  They don't want to run a cracked copy of Windows for fear of being audited...  But they don't need enough licenses to make volume licensing or maintenance plans affordable...  So they wind up buying a pile of retail boxes.  And it can be <i>expensive</i>.  Sometimes it is actually cheaper just to replace their computers entirely, and get the new version of Windows pre-installed on the machine.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that everyone I know has a pirated copy of windows : the few people people that have legal copies have them because they were bundled with the computer they bought .
When was the last time someone actually went out specifically to bought a copy ? Your average " Joe Sixpack " home user will probably be running a pirated copy of Windows .
Their computer may have come with a legal OEM license once upon a time... But they probably lost the discs somewhere along the way , and their OEM key probably did n't work with the discs their buddy found when they had to reload their computer to get rid of the viruses , so they wound up with a cracked copy of Windows .
And then they heard about the shiny new Vista thing and their buddy hooked them up with a cracked copy of that , too.Mot IT-ish folks I know have legal copies - frequently acquired using some kind of student discount or corporate volume licensing program .
They are n't paying retail , but frequently do n't trust the cracked copies available.Most of the gamer folks I know have legal copies , but they 're usually buying the OS with a pile of new hardware and get some kind of OEM version , so they are n't paying retail.The big businesses will be on some kind of software maintenance plan with Microsoft .
They 'll be able to download and install whatever flavor of Windows they feel like .
So they wo n't be paying retail.The folks who typically wind up paying retail prices , from what I 've seen , are the small/medium sized businesses .
They do n't want to run a cracked copy of Windows for fear of being audited... But they do n't need enough licenses to make volume licensing or maintenance plans affordable... So they wind up buying a pile of retail boxes .
And it can be expensive .
Sometimes it is actually cheaper just to replace their computers entirely , and get the new version of Windows pre-installed on the machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that everyone I know has a pirated copy of windows: the few people people that have legal copies have them because they were bundled with the computer they bought.
When was the last time someone actually went out specifically to bought a copy?Your average "Joe Sixpack" home user will probably be running a pirated copy of Windows.
Their computer may have come with a legal OEM license once upon a time...  But they probably lost the discs somewhere along the way, and their OEM key probably didn't work with the discs their buddy found when they had to reload their computer to get rid of the viruses, so they wound up with a cracked copy of Windows.
And then they heard about the shiny new Vista thing and their buddy hooked them up with a cracked copy of that, too.Mot IT-ish folks I know have legal copies - frequently acquired using some kind of student discount or corporate volume licensing program.
They aren't paying retail, but frequently don't trust the cracked copies available.Most of the gamer folks I know have legal copies, but they're usually buying the OS with a pile of new hardware and get some kind of OEM version, so they aren't paying retail.The big businesses will be on some kind of software maintenance plan with Microsoft.
They'll be able to download and install whatever flavor of Windows they feel like.
So they won't be paying retail.The folks who typically wind up paying retail prices, from what I've seen, are the small/medium sized businesses.
They don't want to run a cracked copy of Windows for fear of being audited...  But they don't need enough licenses to make volume licensing or maintenance plans affordable...  So they wind up buying a pile of retail boxes.
And it can be expensive.
Sometimes it is actually cheaper just to replace their computers entirely, and get the new version of Windows pre-installed on the machine.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470125</id>
	<title>IBuyPower</title>
	<author>BJ\_Covert\_Action</author>
	<datestamp>1245959760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've bought a few computers from <a href="http://www.ibuypower.com/" title="ibuypower.com" rel="nofollow">IBuyPower</a> [ibuypower.com] now and have been very pleased with the results. While they specialize in customizable gaming computers, they do have some precofigured packages available for sale. You can navigate to the third set of customize options when checking out the computer package you want and select a pre-formatted, no OS hard drive. Again, this is more of a customize your own ePeen-computer type site, but they might warrant your attention.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've bought a few computers from IBuyPower [ ibuypower.com ] now and have been very pleased with the results .
While they specialize in customizable gaming computers , they do have some precofigured packages available for sale .
You can navigate to the third set of customize options when checking out the computer package you want and select a pre-formatted , no OS hard drive .
Again , this is more of a customize your own ePeen-computer type site , but they might warrant your attention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've bought a few computers from IBuyPower [ibuypower.com] now and have been very pleased with the results.
While they specialize in customizable gaming computers, they do have some precofigured packages available for sale.
You can navigate to the third set of customize options when checking out the computer package you want and select a pre-formatted, no OS hard drive.
Again, this is more of a customize your own ePeen-computer type site, but they might warrant your attention.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469113</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Jeng</author>
	<datestamp>1245955920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree that Windows 7 does indeed rock, but the RC I'm using is Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and my opinion is tied to that fact.</p><p>I do not think that Windows 7 Ultimate is worth $319.00 and I have no experience with the lower tier options to be able to know before buying them whether they are worthwhile for the prices listed.</p><p>The difference between XP-64 and Windows 7 Ultimate is not worth $319.00</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that Windows 7 does indeed rock , but the RC I 'm using is Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and my opinion is tied to that fact.I do not think that Windows 7 Ultimate is worth $ 319.00 and I have no experience with the lower tier options to be able to know before buying them whether they are worthwhile for the prices listed.The difference between XP-64 and Windows 7 Ultimate is not worth $ 319.00</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that Windows 7 does indeed rock, but the RC I'm using is Windows 7 Ultimate x64 and my opinion is tied to that fact.I do not think that Windows 7 Ultimate is worth $319.00 and I have no experience with the lower tier options to be able to know before buying them whether they are worthwhile for the prices listed.The difference between XP-64 and Windows 7 Ultimate is not worth $319.00</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467161</id>
	<title>Time will tell.</title>
	<author>gubers33</author>
	<datestamp>1245948720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I doubt we are going to see any big move towards Windows 7 until people see that is is worth the price tag. I mean with all the issues people saw with Windows Vista, no one is going to want to upgrade their working Windows XP for a Windows 7 that could be just as bad as Vista. If we see that Windows 7 is stable and worth the money we might begin to see a larger transition to it 6 months from now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt we are going to see any big move towards Windows 7 until people see that is is worth the price tag .
I mean with all the issues people saw with Windows Vista , no one is going to want to upgrade their working Windows XP for a Windows 7 that could be just as bad as Vista .
If we see that Windows 7 is stable and worth the money we might begin to see a larger transition to it 6 months from now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt we are going to see any big move towards Windows 7 until people see that is is worth the price tag.
I mean with all the issues people saw with Windows Vista, no one is going to want to upgrade their working Windows XP for a Windows 7 that could be just as bad as Vista.
If we see that Windows 7 is stable and worth the money we might begin to see a larger transition to it 6 months from now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471059</id>
	<title>Re:Not in Europe</title>
	<author>RonnyJ</author>
	<datestamp>1245920400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article you linked to:</p><p>"In Europe, the full version will be priced as if it were an upgrade version." - where's the increased price you mention?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article you linked to : " In Europe , the full version will be priced as if it were an upgrade version .
" - where 's the increased price you mention ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article you linked to:"In Europe, the full version will be priced as if it were an upgrade version.
" - where's the increased price you mention?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468035</id>
	<title>Re:What exactly do I get?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245952020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What comes on that DVD?</p><p>- A file manager that crashes every time I use it and a forum response for support telling me to edit some config file and reinstall the package? (example only)<br>- Shinier icons?<br>- A DRM-less media player that can't play the "approved formats" that the end users recieve?<br>- A lack of drivers<br>- A free web browser that you could have gotten anyway<br>- More of the same?<br>- No promised compatibility with old software, or even current software<br>- Potentially more of the<br>- SAME</p><p>I'm not bashing Linux, it's just that there isn't as big a difference as you think, other than the price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What comes on that DVD ? - A file manager that crashes every time I use it and a forum response for support telling me to edit some config file and reinstall the package ?
( example only ) - Shinier icons ? - A DRM-less media player that ca n't play the " approved formats " that the end users recieve ? - A lack of drivers- A free web browser that you could have gotten anyway- More of the same ? - No promised compatibility with old software , or even current software- Potentially more of the- SAMEI 'm not bashing Linux , it 's just that there is n't as big a difference as you think , other than the price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What comes on that DVD?- A file manager that crashes every time I use it and a forum response for support telling me to edit some config file and reinstall the package?
(example only)- Shinier icons?- A DRM-less media player that can't play the "approved formats" that the end users recieve?- A lack of drivers- A free web browser that you could have gotten anyway- More of the same?- No promised compatibility with old software, or even current software- Potentially more of the- SAMEI'm not bashing Linux, it's just that there isn't as big a difference as you think, other than the price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468703</id>
	<title>Re:Do not hate me.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245954480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only down-side has been the installation time (hours, even on my beast) and the size of the OS(how <i>DO</i> you fit 20GB of data on a 3GB DVD anyways????).</p></div><p>Uh.. something isn't right there.  It installed on my 'beast' in less than thirty minutes. Or maybe my beast is just beastlier than yours..<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only down-side has been the installation time ( hours , even on my beast ) and the size of the OS ( how DO you fit 20GB of data on a 3GB DVD anyways ? ? ? ? ) .Uh. .
something is n't right there .
It installed on my 'beast ' in less than thirty minutes .
Or maybe my beast is just beastlier than yours.. : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only down-side has been the installation time (hours, even on my beast) and the size of the OS(how DO you fit 20GB of data on a 3GB DVD anyways????).Uh..
something isn't right there.
It installed on my 'beast' in less than thirty minutes.
Or maybe my beast is just beastlier than yours.. :)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467663</id>
	<title>Re:You Mean</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245950700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ian Alexander's shitty post should be modded 'Redundant'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ian Alexander 's shitty post should be modded 'Redundant' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ian Alexander's shitty post should be modded 'Redundant'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467321</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>mejogid</author>
	<datestamp>1245949380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Snow Leopards adds no significant (home-)user visible changes - most of the changes are architectural and under the hood, aimed at developers.  You won't get developers using features that most users don't have, so you can't sell a platform based on developer potential alone.</p><p>Apple has recognised this and priced Snow Leopard to tempt developers, so that they can use the same base in future OSes (Open CL, 64-bit, full Cocoa etc).  On the other hand, Vista is that new base and MS doesn't really care if you develop for Vista or 7, although you could argue they should've priced Vista more competitively.</p><p>Oh, and you seem to be neglecting the fact that Snow Leopard is only that cheap for Leopard users - Tiger users need to shell out $169 for iWork, iLife and Snow Leopard.  And let's not forget that Apple uses software to sell hardware - users will upgrade to Snow Leopard then realise they need a 64-bit processor (so no first-gen Intels) and a recent graphics processor (last couple of years) to take advantage of the most of the improvements.  PowerPC users will also need to buy a whole new PC to use the new OS.</p><p>MS' pricing may not be as low as we may have hoped, but let's not paint Apple as the angel it clearly isn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Snow Leopards adds no significant ( home- ) user visible changes - most of the changes are architectural and under the hood , aimed at developers .
You wo n't get developers using features that most users do n't have , so you ca n't sell a platform based on developer potential alone.Apple has recognised this and priced Snow Leopard to tempt developers , so that they can use the same base in future OSes ( Open CL , 64-bit , full Cocoa etc ) .
On the other hand , Vista is that new base and MS does n't really care if you develop for Vista or 7 , although you could argue they should 've priced Vista more competitively.Oh , and you seem to be neglecting the fact that Snow Leopard is only that cheap for Leopard users - Tiger users need to shell out $ 169 for iWork , iLife and Snow Leopard .
And let 's not forget that Apple uses software to sell hardware - users will upgrade to Snow Leopard then realise they need a 64-bit processor ( so no first-gen Intels ) and a recent graphics processor ( last couple of years ) to take advantage of the most of the improvements .
PowerPC users will also need to buy a whole new PC to use the new OS.MS ' pricing may not be as low as we may have hoped , but let 's not paint Apple as the angel it clearly is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Snow Leopards adds no significant (home-)user visible changes - most of the changes are architectural and under the hood, aimed at developers.
You won't get developers using features that most users don't have, so you can't sell a platform based on developer potential alone.Apple has recognised this and priced Snow Leopard to tempt developers, so that they can use the same base in future OSes (Open CL, 64-bit, full Cocoa etc).
On the other hand, Vista is that new base and MS doesn't really care if you develop for Vista or 7, although you could argue they should've priced Vista more competitively.Oh, and you seem to be neglecting the fact that Snow Leopard is only that cheap for Leopard users - Tiger users need to shell out $169 for iWork, iLife and Snow Leopard.
And let's not forget that Apple uses software to sell hardware - users will upgrade to Snow Leopard then realise they need a 64-bit processor (so no first-gen Intels) and a recent graphics processor (last couple of years) to take advantage of the most of the improvements.
PowerPC users will also need to buy a whole new PC to use the new OS.MS' pricing may not be as low as we may have hoped, but let's not paint Apple as the angel it clearly isn't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28472767</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1245925860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I use a Microsoft Mouse on my Linux laptop!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I use a Microsoft Mouse on my Linux laptop !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use a Microsoft Mouse on my Linux laptop!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28472219</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1245923940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>For example, if you buy a game console when there are enough games for it out already that you can justify the cost even if no other game ever comes out, then you'll never be disappointed with it.</i></p><p>If everyone waits for great games to come out for a console before they buy it, there will be no user base for that console, and no one will publish games for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For example , if you buy a game console when there are enough games for it out already that you can justify the cost even if no other game ever comes out , then you 'll never be disappointed with it.If everyone waits for great games to come out for a console before they buy it , there will be no user base for that console , and no one will publish games for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For example, if you buy a game console when there are enough games for it out already that you can justify the cost even if no other game ever comes out, then you'll never be disappointed with it.If everyone waits for great games to come out for a console before they buy it, there will be no user base for that console, and no one will publish games for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470447</id>
	<title>XP FTW</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245960960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meh, what's the point of using Vista or 7? XP still does everything I need and much faster/better than Vista (and I'm guessing 7 too).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh , what 's the point of using Vista or 7 ?
XP still does everything I need and much faster/better than Vista ( and I 'm guessing 7 too ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh, what's the point of using Vista or 7?
XP still does everything I need and much faster/better than Vista (and I'm guessing 7 too).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467263</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OSX is there to make their hardware more appealing. From the price of their computers, I'm pretty sure the hardware's where they make their money. At prices like that, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a loss leader to get people to stay on their platform.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OSX is there to make their hardware more appealing .
From the price of their computers , I 'm pretty sure the hardware 's where they make their money .
At prices like that , I would n't be surprised if it 's a loss leader to get people to stay on their platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OSX is there to make their hardware more appealing.
From the price of their computers, I'm pretty sure the hardware's where they make their money.
At prices like that, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a loss leader to get people to stay on their platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469905</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>FrostDust</author>
	<datestamp>1245958980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with statistics is that they only answer one question, and inferences have to be made to their origin.</p><p>In this case, the only answer you get is that "80\% of people visiting Slashdot are using Windows", not that they WANT to use Windows, or have the ability to use an OS of their choice.</p><p>I'm sure a large amount of users are browsing from their work computers, with the standard Windows 2000/XP image everyone else in the office has.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with statistics is that they only answer one question , and inferences have to be made to their origin.In this case , the only answer you get is that " 80 \ % of people visiting Slashdot are using Windows " , not that they WANT to use Windows , or have the ability to use an OS of their choice.I 'm sure a large amount of users are browsing from their work computers , with the standard Windows 2000/XP image everyone else in the office has .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with statistics is that they only answer one question, and inferences have to be made to their origin.In this case, the only answer you get is that "80\% of people visiting Slashdot are using Windows", not that they WANT to use Windows, or have the ability to use an OS of their choice.I'm sure a large amount of users are browsing from their work computers, with the standard Windows 2000/XP image everyone else in the office has.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469633</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Scroatzilla</author>
	<datestamp>1245957960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't speak for everyone who has negative feelings toward Windows; but there are some really practical reasons to dislike the MS monopoly.</p><p>If you have a computer that does everything you want, why would you want to change the foundation upon which it works? In the MS world, it is because they are going to drop support for your version of Windows; and because of that, software companies are going to stop supporting their software for that unsupported Windows platform.</p><p>If that software is windows only, there's a pretty good chance that any data created with it that you value will be damaged, if not rendered completely unusable.</p><p>Further, one of the most important pieces of software that will likely stop working on an unsupported version of Windows is the Antivirus software-- it's not economically feasible for AV companies to keep pumping out updated virus definitions for an outdated and unsupported operating system.</p><p>Add to this the fact that there will no longer be updates for that Windows version, and continuing to run the unsupported OS is a pretty big security risk (assuming, of course, that you care about connecting to the Internet).</p><p>So, do you not see that in the Windows world you have no *choice* but to eventually upgrade, if you are at all interested in being able to continue to use your computer?</p><p>When my Windows XP machines start breaking, that will likely mark my exit from the Windows world. If I'm going to have to learn a new UI anyway, and if I'm going to invest in new hardware, I may as well make a clean break from my dependency on Windows. I know that I can do this with very little pain because I only choose platform-agnostic software so that my data has a better chance of remaining usable for a longer period of time.</p><p>So, the point isn't whether Windows 7 is good or not. It probably is, judging from what I've read. But I'm not likely to get any first-hand experience with it. I will have real freedom of OS choice when I'm ready to upgrade my hardware, and I will make my choice based on the longevity, usefulness, and accessibility of my data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't speak for everyone who has negative feelings toward Windows ; but there are some really practical reasons to dislike the MS monopoly.If you have a computer that does everything you want , why would you want to change the foundation upon which it works ?
In the MS world , it is because they are going to drop support for your version of Windows ; and because of that , software companies are going to stop supporting their software for that unsupported Windows platform.If that software is windows only , there 's a pretty good chance that any data created with it that you value will be damaged , if not rendered completely unusable.Further , one of the most important pieces of software that will likely stop working on an unsupported version of Windows is the Antivirus software-- it 's not economically feasible for AV companies to keep pumping out updated virus definitions for an outdated and unsupported operating system.Add to this the fact that there will no longer be updates for that Windows version , and continuing to run the unsupported OS is a pretty big security risk ( assuming , of course , that you care about connecting to the Internet ) .So , do you not see that in the Windows world you have no * choice * but to eventually upgrade , if you are at all interested in being able to continue to use your computer ? When my Windows XP machines start breaking , that will likely mark my exit from the Windows world .
If I 'm going to have to learn a new UI anyway , and if I 'm going to invest in new hardware , I may as well make a clean break from my dependency on Windows .
I know that I can do this with very little pain because I only choose platform-agnostic software so that my data has a better chance of remaining usable for a longer period of time.So , the point is n't whether Windows 7 is good or not .
It probably is , judging from what I 've read .
But I 'm not likely to get any first-hand experience with it .
I will have real freedom of OS choice when I 'm ready to upgrade my hardware , and I will make my choice based on the longevity , usefulness , and accessibility of my data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't speak for everyone who has negative feelings toward Windows; but there are some really practical reasons to dislike the MS monopoly.If you have a computer that does everything you want, why would you want to change the foundation upon which it works?
In the MS world, it is because they are going to drop support for your version of Windows; and because of that, software companies are going to stop supporting their software for that unsupported Windows platform.If that software is windows only, there's a pretty good chance that any data created with it that you value will be damaged, if not rendered completely unusable.Further, one of the most important pieces of software that will likely stop working on an unsupported version of Windows is the Antivirus software-- it's not economically feasible for AV companies to keep pumping out updated virus definitions for an outdated and unsupported operating system.Add to this the fact that there will no longer be updates for that Windows version, and continuing to run the unsupported OS is a pretty big security risk (assuming, of course, that you care about connecting to the Internet).So, do you not see that in the Windows world you have no *choice* but to eventually upgrade, if you are at all interested in being able to continue to use your computer?When my Windows XP machines start breaking, that will likely mark my exit from the Windows world.
If I'm going to have to learn a new UI anyway, and if I'm going to invest in new hardware, I may as well make a clean break from my dependency on Windows.
I know that I can do this with very little pain because I only choose platform-agnostic software so that my data has a better chance of remaining usable for a longer period of time.So, the point isn't whether Windows 7 is good or not.
It probably is, judging from what I've read.
But I'm not likely to get any first-hand experience with it.
I will have real freedom of OS choice when I'm ready to upgrade my hardware, and I will make my choice based on the longevity, usefulness, and accessibility of my data.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28472049</id>
	<title>Clarification</title>
	<author>raijinsetsu</author>
	<datestamp>1245923340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ISO, and hence the DVD, is 3GB. I did not say that Win7 came on a DVD that was in some mystical, previously unheard of, 3GB format. Please have a little common sense.<br> <br>
Windows 7's interface?? I have not seen it. I continue to use AstonShell, which still works like a charm.<br> <br>
Windows XP is old. It's very old. It's so old that all the other operating systems are laughing at it (except the other Windows operating system - they just drool a lot). It will not support future generations of hardware, especially those that take advantage of 64-bit functionality. It does not support more than 4gb of memory space(subtract your devices memory space from this and you get the total remaining available memory in your system - many memory cards will chew up 512mb of this space). Windows XP has been Microsoft's best personal (and commercial??) OS yet, but you can only keep an old car on the road for so long before it's time for a new one.<br> <br>
Win7 seems to be exactly what the next generation of Windows should be.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ISO , and hence the DVD , is 3GB .
I did not say that Win7 came on a DVD that was in some mystical , previously unheard of , 3GB format .
Please have a little common sense .
Windows 7 's interface ? ?
I have not seen it .
I continue to use AstonShell , which still works like a charm .
Windows XP is old .
It 's very old .
It 's so old that all the other operating systems are laughing at it ( except the other Windows operating system - they just drool a lot ) .
It will not support future generations of hardware , especially those that take advantage of 64-bit functionality .
It does not support more than 4gb of memory space ( subtract your devices memory space from this and you get the total remaining available memory in your system - many memory cards will chew up 512mb of this space ) .
Windows XP has been Microsoft 's best personal ( and commercial ? ?
) OS yet , but you can only keep an old car on the road for so long before it 's time for a new one .
Win7 seems to be exactly what the next generation of Windows should be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ISO, and hence the DVD, is 3GB.
I did not say that Win7 came on a DVD that was in some mystical, previously unheard of, 3GB format.
Please have a little common sense.
Windows 7's interface??
I have not seen it.
I continue to use AstonShell, which still works like a charm.
Windows XP is old.
It's very old.
It's so old that all the other operating systems are laughing at it (except the other Windows operating system - they just drool a lot).
It will not support future generations of hardware, especially those that take advantage of 64-bit functionality.
It does not support more than 4gb of memory space(subtract your devices memory space from this and you get the total remaining available memory in your system - many memory cards will chew up 512mb of this space).
Windows XP has been Microsoft's best personal (and commercial??
) OS yet, but you can only keep an old car on the road for so long before it's time for a new one.
Win7 seems to be exactly what the next generation of Windows should be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470457</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245961080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Zealots"...ah, yes, right.  From one AC to another, I will say:  Yes, yes in fact I have used Windows 7.  Beta AND release candidate.  In fact, I am forced to use it and test on it at work.</p><p>It still sucks.  All the foaming at the mouth you Windows "zealots" (see, i can use that word too) do over Windows 7 has baffled me from the start.  Win7 is awful.  It's just as bloated as Vista.  It does absolutely NOTHING to fix the mass compatibility breakage Vista introduced.  It manages to further break things that were broken by Vista, then fixed for Vista.  The interface is even worse than Vista.  Where did classic mode go?  Oh right...a single radio box I could click on Vista or XP has been replaced by futzing with dozens of settings to make that godawful Dock ripoff look like a typical Windows task bar.</p><p>Windows 7 is a triumph of marketing.  Microsoft still has it, folks.  After the stinking bomb that Vista was, they still managed a hail mary of marketing and managed to make Vista's replacement look like an all new operating system.  And they still have their army of "Steve Barktos" running around the net playing interference for them too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Zealots " ...ah , yes , right .
From one AC to another , I will say : Yes , yes in fact I have used Windows 7 .
Beta AND release candidate .
In fact , I am forced to use it and test on it at work.It still sucks .
All the foaming at the mouth you Windows " zealots " ( see , i can use that word too ) do over Windows 7 has baffled me from the start .
Win7 is awful .
It 's just as bloated as Vista .
It does absolutely NOTHING to fix the mass compatibility breakage Vista introduced .
It manages to further break things that were broken by Vista , then fixed for Vista .
The interface is even worse than Vista .
Where did classic mode go ?
Oh right...a single radio box I could click on Vista or XP has been replaced by futzing with dozens of settings to make that godawful Dock ripoff look like a typical Windows task bar.Windows 7 is a triumph of marketing .
Microsoft still has it , folks .
After the stinking bomb that Vista was , they still managed a hail mary of marketing and managed to make Vista 's replacement look like an all new operating system .
And they still have their army of " Steve Barktos " running around the net playing interference for them too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Zealots"...ah, yes, right.
From one AC to another, I will say:  Yes, yes in fact I have used Windows 7.
Beta AND release candidate.
In fact, I am forced to use it and test on it at work.It still sucks.
All the foaming at the mouth you Windows "zealots" (see, i can use that word too) do over Windows 7 has baffled me from the start.
Win7 is awful.
It's just as bloated as Vista.
It does absolutely NOTHING to fix the mass compatibility breakage Vista introduced.
It manages to further break things that were broken by Vista, then fixed for Vista.
The interface is even worse than Vista.
Where did classic mode go?
Oh right...a single radio box I could click on Vista or XP has been replaced by futzing with dozens of settings to make that godawful Dock ripoff look like a typical Windows task bar.Windows 7 is a triumph of marketing.
Microsoft still has it, folks.
After the stinking bomb that Vista was, they still managed a hail mary of marketing and managed to make Vista's replacement look like an all new operating system.
And they still have their army of "Steve Barktos" running around the net playing interference for them too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470673</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone actually buy windows?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245962040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"these beers are 6 dollars fifty"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" these beers are 6 dollars fifty "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"these beers are 6 dollars fifty"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28484419</id>
	<title>Re:Can be cheaper if you order before 7-11</title>
	<author>ais523</author>
	<datestamp>1246037640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This strikes me as desperation, in a way. You get a discount if you install something before everyone's got a chance to find out it's no good? The discount worries me; I'd expect early installs to cost <i>more</i> if there was nothing to hide.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This strikes me as desperation , in a way .
You get a discount if you install something before everyone 's got a chance to find out it 's no good ?
The discount worries me ; I 'd expect early installs to cost more if there was nothing to hide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This strikes me as desperation, in a way.
You get a discount if you install something before everyone's got a chance to find out it's no good?
The discount worries me; I'd expect early installs to cost more if there was nothing to hide.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468325</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245953160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree completely; I had a test machine and was involved in the Windows 7 beta and saw very few issues with it.  The day it was available as a release candidate I downloaded it and have been running it exclusively at both home and work.</p><p>I have 0 issues in either regard running it with major office and business applications, including Office 2007, Open Office 3, Visual Studio 2008, SQL Server 2005, I.E. 8, Firefox 3, etc.</p><p>Windows 7 is what Vista should have been when it released.  I wish the upgrade would be cheaper/free for those of us that had to deal with the Vista fiasco but I will be buying a Windows 7 upgrade on Oct 22 when it releases.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree completely ; I had a test machine and was involved in the Windows 7 beta and saw very few issues with it .
The day it was available as a release candidate I downloaded it and have been running it exclusively at both home and work.I have 0 issues in either regard running it with major office and business applications , including Office 2007 , Open Office 3 , Visual Studio 2008 , SQL Server 2005 , I.E .
8 , Firefox 3 , etc.Windows 7 is what Vista should have been when it released .
I wish the upgrade would be cheaper/free for those of us that had to deal with the Vista fiasco but I will be buying a Windows 7 upgrade on Oct 22 when it releases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree completely; I had a test machine and was involved in the Windows 7 beta and saw very few issues with it.
The day it was available as a release candidate I downloaded it and have been running it exclusively at both home and work.I have 0 issues in either regard running it with major office and business applications, including Office 2007, Open Office 3, Visual Studio 2008, SQL Server 2005, I.E.
8, Firefox 3, etc.Windows 7 is what Vista should have been when it released.
I wish the upgrade would be cheaper/free for those of us that had to deal with the Vista fiasco but I will be buying a Windows 7 upgrade on Oct 22 when it releases.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470285</id>
	<title>How much extra...</title>
	<author>CannedTurkey</author>
	<datestamp>1245960360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... for an actual start menu?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... for an actual start menu ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... for an actual start menu?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467149</id>
	<title>Can be cheaper if you order before 7-11</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245948720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I do not mean the store 7-11.</p><p>Here:<br><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/ptech/06/25/cnet.windows7.pricing.upgrade/index.html" title="cnn.com">http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/ptech/06/25/cnet.windows7.pricing.upgrade/index.html</a> [cnn.com]</p><p>From the article: "From Friday through July 11, consumers in the U.S. will be able to buy an upgrade copy of Windows 7 Home premium for $49 or Windows 7 Professional for $99."</p><p>No ultimate and an upgrade not full though. But the upgrade from XP is a full wipe install anyway.</p><p>And I do agree with others who said that upgrade from vista ultimate should be free to win 7 ultimate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I do not mean the store 7-11.Here : http : //www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/ptech/06/25/cnet.windows7.pricing.upgrade/index.html [ cnn.com ] From the article : " From Friday through July 11 , consumers in the U.S. will be able to buy an upgrade copy of Windows 7 Home premium for $ 49 or Windows 7 Professional for $ 99 .
" No ultimate and an upgrade not full though .
But the upgrade from XP is a full wipe install anyway.And I do agree with others who said that upgrade from vista ultimate should be free to win 7 ultimate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I do not mean the store 7-11.Here:http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/ptech/06/25/cnet.windows7.pricing.upgrade/index.html [cnn.com]From the article: "From Friday through July 11, consumers in the U.S. will be able to buy an upgrade copy of Windows 7 Home premium for $49 or Windows 7 Professional for $99.
"No ultimate and an upgrade not full though.
But the upgrade from XP is a full wipe install anyway.And I do agree with others who said that upgrade from vista ultimate should be free to win 7 ultimate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467639</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>PishiGorbeh</author>
	<datestamp>1245950640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought Windows was freeware... None of the torrent sites ever asked for payment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Windows was freeware... None of the torrent sites ever asked for payment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Windows was freeware... None of the torrent sites ever asked for payment.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469893</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>Risen888</author>
	<datestamp>1245958980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Given that Win 7 is essentially just a Vista service pack by another name, I will not be paying several hundred bucks to upgrade. I'll stick with XP until it is unsupported, and then I'll switch away from Microsoft altogether.</i></p><p>Sure you will, buddy. And if cigarettes go up any more I'm quitting them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that Win 7 is essentially just a Vista service pack by another name , I will not be paying several hundred bucks to upgrade .
I 'll stick with XP until it is unsupported , and then I 'll switch away from Microsoft altogether.Sure you will , buddy .
And if cigarettes go up any more I 'm quitting them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that Win 7 is essentially just a Vista service pack by another name, I will not be paying several hundred bucks to upgrade.
I'll stick with XP until it is unsupported, and then I'll switch away from Microsoft altogether.Sure you will, buddy.
And if cigarettes go up any more I'm quitting them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468079</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>QuantumPion</author>
	<datestamp>1245952260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me, or did the W7 Beta run faster and smoother then the RC? When I was using the Beta, I thought it was very fast and streamlined like XP. The RC feels exactly like Vista (i.e. slow and bloated, hard drive chugging constantly). The one good point I'll concede is that the RC actually had all the newest drivers for all my hardware, even the motherboard chipset, which blew my mind since I have a custom built rig.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me , or did the W7 Beta run faster and smoother then the RC ?
When I was using the Beta , I thought it was very fast and streamlined like XP .
The RC feels exactly like Vista ( i.e .
slow and bloated , hard drive chugging constantly ) .
The one good point I 'll concede is that the RC actually had all the newest drivers for all my hardware , even the motherboard chipset , which blew my mind since I have a custom built rig .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me, or did the W7 Beta run faster and smoother then the RC?
When I was using the Beta, I thought it was very fast and streamlined like XP.
The RC feels exactly like Vista (i.e.
slow and bloated, hard drive chugging constantly).
The one good point I'll concede is that the RC actually had all the newest drivers for all my hardware, even the motherboard chipset, which blew my mind since I have a custom built rig.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28480031</id>
	<title>Re:And Apple's Not?</title>
	<author>metaforest</author>
	<datestamp>1246019460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Apple charges $29 for their OS upgrade, but the Mac user who's getting that cheap upgrade paid 50\% more up front for the computer that he bought from Apple.</i></p><p>Utter bullshit.   Apple hardware prices have typically been less than 1:1,  generation over generation.   The notable exception is the high end towers and servers, where the prices are very volatile from generation to generation.</p><p>I have built high-end PCs and purchased midrange macs.... I get WAY more bang for my buck out of the Macs than the PCs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple charges $ 29 for their OS upgrade , but the Mac user who 's getting that cheap upgrade paid 50 \ % more up front for the computer that he bought from Apple.Utter bullshit .
Apple hardware prices have typically been less than 1 : 1 , generation over generation .
The notable exception is the high end towers and servers , where the prices are very volatile from generation to generation.I have built high-end PCs and purchased midrange macs.... I get WAY more bang for my buck out of the Macs than the PCs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple charges $29 for their OS upgrade, but the Mac user who's getting that cheap upgrade paid 50\% more up front for the computer that he bought from Apple.Utter bullshit.
Apple hardware prices have typically been less than 1:1,  generation over generation.
The notable exception is the high end towers and servers, where the prices are very volatile from generation to generation.I have built high-end PCs and purchased midrange macs.... I get WAY more bang for my buck out of the Macs than the PCs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467625</id>
	<title>What I really want to know ...</title>
	<author>Jumperalex</author>
	<datestamp>1245950580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is how much will it be as an "OEM" version from the likes of Newegg when I purchase it with a HD?  Because anyone paying Brick and Mortor retail pricing is just paying an ignorance-tax.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is how much will it be as an " OEM " version from the likes of Newegg when I purchase it with a HD ?
Because anyone paying Brick and Mortor retail pricing is just paying an ignorance-tax .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is how much will it be as an "OEM" version from the likes of Newegg when I purchase it with a HD?
Because anyone paying Brick and Mortor retail pricing is just paying an ignorance-tax.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469579</id>
	<title>Re:Can be cheaper if you order before 7-11</title>
	<author>RightSaidFred99</author>
	<datestamp>1245957720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You do know Windows 7 is out and well reviewed already in pre-release form, right?  Or do you think they're just going to say "screw it, let's totally change it over the next 2 months and obsolete all those reviews!"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do know Windows 7 is out and well reviewed already in pre-release form , right ?
Or do you think they 're just going to say " screw it , let 's totally change it over the next 2 months and obsolete all those reviews !
" ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do know Windows 7 is out and well reviewed already in pre-release form, right?
Or do you think they're just going to say "screw it, let's totally change it over the next 2 months and obsolete all those reviews!
"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471007</id>
	<title>Re:What exactly do I get?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1245963360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What exactly do I get for my hard-earned $199 or $119?</p></div><p>An OS that runs most applications on the market (and particularly games).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly do I get for my hard-earned $ 199 or $ 119 ? An OS that runs most applications on the market ( and particularly games ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly do I get for my hard-earned $199 or $119?An OS that runs most applications on the market (and particularly games).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468597</id>
	<title>Re:So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245954120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the Microsoft&reg; GetEmWhileThey'reYoung&reg; scheme, that is run by the <em>First Hit Is Free</em> division of Micrososft&reg;.</p><p>Go ahead, e-mail the Vice President of Soul Stealing and Leeching off Society, Brad Fuckbuddy, if you don't believe me: fuckbuddy@microsoft.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the Microsoft   GetEmWhileThey'reYoung   scheme , that is run by the First Hit Is Free division of Micrososft   .Go ahead , e-mail the Vice President of Soul Stealing and Leeching off Society , Brad Fuckbuddy , if you do n't believe me : fuckbuddy @ microsoft.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the Microsoft® GetEmWhileThey'reYoung® scheme, that is run by the First Hit Is Free division of Micrososft®.Go ahead, e-mail the Vice President of Soul Stealing and Leeching off Society, Brad Fuckbuddy, if you don't believe me: fuckbuddy@microsoft.com</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467815</id>
	<title>Re:Going right after Mac OS X</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245951240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The bigger difference is that Mac OS X is one SKU, while MS Windows 7 is n SKUs, where n&gt;&gt;1, to such a degree that it makes my head hurt.  I know they do this to reach certain price points in the market, as well as to collude with the OEM to make it cheaper to buy a machine that to upgrade an old machine, but the strategy sucks for the consumer.
<p>
I can't believe that they can't see that part of the problem is the SKUS.  For XP there was pretty much home and pro, with media center added later.  I can see the need for entry level home, and full copy of home, but why fragment the bussiness market?  Why not have simply a pro version.  If one wanted some sort of developer version, why not sell it as part of the MSDN?  As far as the home market goes, why not allow users to install the home premium on a few machines, or at least buy discounted licenses.
</p><p>
Of course I answered the question.  MS does not want to sell individual copies of the software.  Even with the outrageous prices, they probably don't make any money off of it.  They have to provide support, they have to package the product, they are responsible if something goes wrong.  Blame is not shifted to the OEM.  And the high cost fo the MS product means that the OEM only makes money off volume, so MS  has to make the retail version as complex and undesirable as possible.  So old machines go into the landfill to make way for new machines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The bigger difference is that Mac OS X is one SKU , while MS Windows 7 is n SKUs , where n &gt; &gt; 1 , to such a degree that it makes my head hurt .
I know they do this to reach certain price points in the market , as well as to collude with the OEM to make it cheaper to buy a machine that to upgrade an old machine , but the strategy sucks for the consumer .
I ca n't believe that they ca n't see that part of the problem is the SKUS .
For XP there was pretty much home and pro , with media center added later .
I can see the need for entry level home , and full copy of home , but why fragment the bussiness market ?
Why not have simply a pro version .
If one wanted some sort of developer version , why not sell it as part of the MSDN ?
As far as the home market goes , why not allow users to install the home premium on a few machines , or at least buy discounted licenses .
Of course I answered the question .
MS does not want to sell individual copies of the software .
Even with the outrageous prices , they probably do n't make any money off of it .
They have to provide support , they have to package the product , they are responsible if something goes wrong .
Blame is not shifted to the OEM .
And the high cost fo the MS product means that the OEM only makes money off volume , so MS has to make the retail version as complex and undesirable as possible .
So old machines go into the landfill to make way for new machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bigger difference is that Mac OS X is one SKU, while MS Windows 7 is n SKUs, where n&gt;&gt;1, to such a degree that it makes my head hurt.
I know they do this to reach certain price points in the market, as well as to collude with the OEM to make it cheaper to buy a machine that to upgrade an old machine, but the strategy sucks for the consumer.
I can't believe that they can't see that part of the problem is the SKUS.
For XP there was pretty much home and pro, with media center added later.
I can see the need for entry level home, and full copy of home, but why fragment the bussiness market?
Why not have simply a pro version.
If one wanted some sort of developer version, why not sell it as part of the MSDN?
As far as the home market goes, why not allow users to install the home premium on a few machines, or at least buy discounted licenses.
Of course I answered the question.
MS does not want to sell individual copies of the software.
Even with the outrageous prices, they probably don't make any money off of it.
They have to provide support, they have to package the product, they are responsible if something goes wrong.
Blame is not shifted to the OEM.
And the high cost fo the MS product means that the OEM only makes money off volume, so MS  has to make the retail version as complex and undesirable as possible.
So old machines go into the landfill to make way for new machines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468995</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>gbarules2999</author>
	<datestamp>1245955560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How many of you zealots have actually used the W7 release candidate?</p></div><p>*raises hand*<br> <br>I thought it was okay. If I didn't already have XP installations for gaming, I'd probably install it instead. But there's no chance it hell I'd actually pay money for it; it really has nothing, on the user side of things, that my XP/Ubuntu dual boot can't.<br> <br>I've gone beyond the days where I actually care about the OS I use, and Windows 7 simply doesn't add enough to the equation to change that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many of you zealots have actually used the W7 release candidate ?
* raises hand * I thought it was okay .
If I did n't already have XP installations for gaming , I 'd probably install it instead .
But there 's no chance it hell I 'd actually pay money for it ; it really has nothing , on the user side of things , that my XP/Ubuntu dual boot ca n't .
I 've gone beyond the days where I actually care about the OS I use , and Windows 7 simply does n't add enough to the equation to change that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many of you zealots have actually used the W7 release candidate?
*raises hand* I thought it was okay.
If I didn't already have XP installations for gaming, I'd probably install it instead.
But there's no chance it hell I'd actually pay money for it; it really has nothing, on the user side of things, that my XP/Ubuntu dual boot can't.
I've gone beyond the days where I actually care about the OS I use, and Windows 7 simply doesn't add enough to the equation to change that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467329</id>
	<title>Upgrade paths</title>
	<author>haystor</author>
	<datestamp>1245949380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone know if it is possible to move from Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Pro with an upgrade, or does that require another full license?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone know if it is possible to move from Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Pro with an upgrade , or does that require another full license ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone know if it is possible to move from Vista Home Premium to Windows 7 Pro with an upgrade, or does that require another full license?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471301</id>
	<title>Hey MS, suck me off</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245921120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I reject your "nod to the global economic downturn". Fuck you. You need to do more than nod. How about get up out of your $14000 chair and hand me a copy? Either do a good deed, or stop fucking pretending you are. A 10\% discount. That's not significant to consumers, don't you GET it?</p><p>Microsoft just can't bring themselves to do something totally pro-consumer. If there's nothing in it for them, they won't do it.</p><p>And, shut up capitalist zealots, I'm not saying they haven't the legal right to make a profit. I know what you're thinking, you fucking idiots! I'm just saying, their attitude makes me want to pirate their software, and they can change or not, it really has nothing to do with legality or capitalism. Just... do they want customers? Do they want people to like them?</p><p>Well, looks like I'll be clicking "Resolve Later" (just be patient Bill, the check's in the mail) for a couple years yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I reject your " nod to the global economic downturn " .
Fuck you .
You need to do more than nod .
How about get up out of your $ 14000 chair and hand me a copy ?
Either do a good deed , or stop fucking pretending you are .
A 10 \ % discount .
That 's not significant to consumers , do n't you GET it ? Microsoft just ca n't bring themselves to do something totally pro-consumer .
If there 's nothing in it for them , they wo n't do it.And , shut up capitalist zealots , I 'm not saying they have n't the legal right to make a profit .
I know what you 're thinking , you fucking idiots !
I 'm just saying , their attitude makes me want to pirate their software , and they can change or not , it really has nothing to do with legality or capitalism .
Just... do they want customers ?
Do they want people to like them ? Well , looks like I 'll be clicking " Resolve Later " ( just be patient Bill , the check 's in the mail ) for a couple years yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I reject your "nod to the global economic downturn".
Fuck you.
You need to do more than nod.
How about get up out of your $14000 chair and hand me a copy?
Either do a good deed, or stop fucking pretending you are.
A 10\% discount.
That's not significant to consumers, don't you GET it?Microsoft just can't bring themselves to do something totally pro-consumer.
If there's nothing in it for them, they won't do it.And, shut up capitalist zealots, I'm not saying they haven't the legal right to make a profit.
I know what you're thinking, you fucking idiots!
I'm just saying, their attitude makes me want to pirate their software, and they can change or not, it really has nothing to do with legality or capitalism.
Just... do they want customers?
Do they want people to like them?Well, looks like I'll be clicking "Resolve Later" (just be patient Bill, the check's in the mail) for a couple years yet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468141</id>
	<title>And Apple's Not?</title>
	<author>bkaul</author>
	<datestamp>1245952440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple charges $29 for their OS upgrade, but the Mac user who's getting that cheap upgrade paid 50\% more up front for the computer that he bought <i>from Apple</i>.  Microsoft, despite selling a few keyboards and mice, is not a hardware company, and doesn't make its money by maintaining exclusive manufacturing control of the hardware that Windows runs on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple charges $ 29 for their OS upgrade , but the Mac user who 's getting that cheap upgrade paid 50 \ % more up front for the computer that he bought from Apple .
Microsoft , despite selling a few keyboards and mice , is not a hardware company , and does n't make its money by maintaining exclusive manufacturing control of the hardware that Windows runs on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple charges $29 for their OS upgrade, but the Mac user who's getting that cheap upgrade paid 50\% more up front for the computer that he bought from Apple.
Microsoft, despite selling a few keyboards and mice, is not a hardware company, and doesn't make its money by maintaining exclusive manufacturing control of the hardware that Windows runs on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28477561</id>
	<title>Re:So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245952020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Schools almost for sure to get deep discounts from companies like Microsoft, not subsidized.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Schools almost for sure to get deep discounts from companies like Microsoft , not subsidized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Schools almost for sure to get deep discounts from companies like Microsoft, not subsidized.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468925</id>
	<title>Re:Bad summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245955320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is there somewhere we can see that official press release? It claims it's between June 25th (today) and July 11th, and Windows 7 shows nothing special on Amazon and I can't even find it on Best Buy's site. Something smells fishy about the info.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there somewhere we can see that official press release ?
It claims it 's between June 25th ( today ) and July 11th , and Windows 7 shows nothing special on Amazon and I ca n't even find it on Best Buy 's site .
Something smells fishy about the info .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there somewhere we can see that official press release?
It claims it's between June 25th (today) and July 11th, and Windows 7 shows nothing special on Amazon and I can't even find it on Best Buy's site.
Something smells fishy about the info.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28482945</id>
	<title>Re:Time will tell.</title>
	<author>WuphonsReach</author>
	<datestamp>1246032480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mmm, I pretty much plan on moving PCs to Win7 (we skipped Vista) starting in 2010.  A lot of it depends on the economy and how soon we run out of stockpiled WinXP licenses.<br>
<br>
More likely, 2nd half of 2010 for us.  Which should be just about the time that SP1 comes out.<br>
<br>
Still on the fence about upgrades.  All of our boxes are dual-core, 64bit, 2GHz+, with at least 2GB RAM.  Bumping them up to 4GB would be inexpensive and will probably be enough for Win7.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mmm , I pretty much plan on moving PCs to Win7 ( we skipped Vista ) starting in 2010 .
A lot of it depends on the economy and how soon we run out of stockpiled WinXP licenses .
More likely , 2nd half of 2010 for us .
Which should be just about the time that SP1 comes out .
Still on the fence about upgrades .
All of our boxes are dual-core , 64bit , 2GHz + , with at least 2GB RAM .
Bumping them up to 4GB would be inexpensive and will probably be enough for Win7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mmm, I pretty much plan on moving PCs to Win7 (we skipped Vista) starting in 2010.
A lot of it depends on the economy and how soon we run out of stockpiled WinXP licenses.
More likely, 2nd half of 2010 for us.
Which should be just about the time that SP1 comes out.
Still on the fence about upgrades.
All of our boxes are dual-core, 64bit, 2GHz+, with at least 2GB RAM.
Bumping them up to 4GB would be inexpensive and will probably be enough for Win7.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471507</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Cross-Threaded</author>
	<datestamp>1245921780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are missing an important issue that muddies the waters a bit. (Ignoring the piracy issue you mentioned.)</p><p>Support call fees. (Assume that each customer would need a maximum of 1 support call, and that we are talking about retail users.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If you sell 100 copies at $300, you have $30,000 total, and 100 users to support.</p></div><p>When you charge each user a $35.00 fee for technical support, your potential revenue from these users is $3500.00.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If you sell 1000 copies at $30, you still have $30,000, but now you must support 1000 users.</p></div><p>Here you have a potential revenue of $35,000.00 for technical support.</p><p>So, that looks like a potential revenue for 100 users is $33,500.00, compared to $65,000.00.</p><p>Now which way looks more attractive?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are missing an important issue that muddies the waters a bit .
( Ignoring the piracy issue you mentioned .
) Support call fees .
( Assume that each customer would need a maximum of 1 support call , and that we are talking about retail users .
) If you sell 100 copies at $ 300 , you have $ 30,000 total , and 100 users to support.When you charge each user a $ 35.00 fee for technical support , your potential revenue from these users is $ 3500.00.If you sell 1000 copies at $ 30 , you still have $ 30,000 , but now you must support 1000 users.Here you have a potential revenue of $ 35,000.00 for technical support.So , that looks like a potential revenue for 100 users is $ 33,500.00 , compared to $ 65,000.00.Now which way looks more attractive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are missing an important issue that muddies the waters a bit.
(Ignoring the piracy issue you mentioned.
)Support call fees.
(Assume that each customer would need a maximum of 1 support call, and that we are talking about retail users.
)If you sell 100 copies at $300, you have $30,000 total, and 100 users to support.When you charge each user a $35.00 fee for technical support, your potential revenue from these users is $3500.00.If you sell 1000 copies at $30, you still have $30,000, but now you must support 1000 users.Here you have a potential revenue of $35,000.00 for technical support.So, that looks like a potential revenue for 100 users is $33,500.00, compared to $65,000.00.Now which way looks more attractive?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470083</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245959580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, that's the case for much of slashdot as well.  Heck, when you can buy a computer at Dell with either Windows or Ubuntu - where both cost the same price - and Ubuntu is free, the math works out pretty clearly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , that 's the case for much of slashdot as well .
Heck , when you can buy a computer at Dell with either Windows or Ubuntu - where both cost the same price - and Ubuntu is free , the math works out pretty clearly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, that's the case for much of slashdot as well.
Heck, when you can buy a computer at Dell with either Windows or Ubuntu - where both cost the same price - and Ubuntu is free, the math works out pretty clearly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467747</id>
	<title>buy Naked</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245951000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>perhaps I could direct your attention to a fine catalog of vendors prepared to sell a PC in the natural state - start naked and free from all operating systems. For those who prefer not to pay for an unwanted proprietary operating system there are Naked Computers. If anyone sees a vendor out there with a naked system for sale please let me know. It has to be an up front option (full frontal if you prefer) not an under the counter, if you ask specially kind of deal. We are also mostly interested in complete computers, not a pile of bits, and we want a minimum order quantity of a single unit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>perhaps I could direct your attention to a fine catalog of vendors prepared to sell a PC in the natural state - start naked and free from all operating systems .
For those who prefer not to pay for an unwanted proprietary operating system there are Naked Computers .
If anyone sees a vendor out there with a naked system for sale please let me know .
It has to be an up front option ( full frontal if you prefer ) not an under the counter , if you ask specially kind of deal .
We are also mostly interested in complete computers , not a pile of bits , and we want a minimum order quantity of a single unit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>perhaps I could direct your attention to a fine catalog of vendors prepared to sell a PC in the natural state - start naked and free from all operating systems.
For those who prefer not to pay for an unwanted proprietary operating system there are Naked Computers.
If anyone sees a vendor out there with a naked system for sale please let me know.
It has to be an up front option (full frontal if you prefer) not an under the counter, if you ask specially kind of deal.
We are also mostly interested in complete computers, not a pile of bits, and we want a minimum order quantity of a single unit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471027</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245963480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Oh, but this is slashdot. Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure. Get out of the 90's.</p><p>What was Windows in the 90s ? 95/98 and NT4.</p><p>Are you claiming that Windows 7 is 'less bloated' than these ?</p><p>It may well be less boated than Vista, but is still more than the post-90s ME/2000/XP.</p><p>I am certain that there are far more Windows zombie botnets now than there were in the 90s. Maybe most are XP, but that is still more than 95/98/NT4 ever had.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Oh , but this is slashdot .
Anything Microsoft = bloat , crashes , unsecure .
Get out of the 90 's.What was Windows in the 90s ?
95/98 and NT4.Are you claiming that Windows 7 is 'less bloated ' than these ? It may well be less boated than Vista , but is still more than the post-90s ME/2000/XP.I am certain that there are far more Windows zombie botnets now than there were in the 90s .
Maybe most are XP , but that is still more than 95/98/NT4 ever had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Oh, but this is slashdot.
Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure.
Get out of the 90's.What was Windows in the 90s ?
95/98 and NT4.Are you claiming that Windows 7 is 'less bloated' than these ?It may well be less boated than Vista, but is still more than the post-90s ME/2000/XP.I am certain that there are far more Windows zombie botnets now than there were in the 90s.
Maybe most are XP, but that is still more than 95/98/NT4 ever had.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469709</id>
	<title>Correction</title>
	<author>dedazo</author>
	<datestamp>1245958260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <b>All</b> of the people who will pay $29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardware</p></div></blockquote><p>There we go.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All of the people who will pay $ 29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardwareThere we go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> All of the people who will pay $29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardwareThere we go.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468165</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245952500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and if you have intel hardware.</p><p>sorry but my dual dual core G5 (4 cores) kicks the crap out of many people's current Intel machines,  Why should I upgrade hardware when this one works great?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and if you have intel hardware.sorry but my dual dual core G5 ( 4 cores ) kicks the crap out of many people 's current Intel machines , Why should I upgrade hardware when this one works great ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and if you have intel hardware.sorry but my dual dual core G5 (4 cores) kicks the crap out of many people's current Intel machines,  Why should I upgrade hardware when this one works great?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467291</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>elevtro</author>
	<datestamp>1245949260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Agreed.
<br> <br>
MS should give the crippled version away free. The one that runs only 3 apps. Then there would be no getting your money back when you purchase a computer. It would also compete with the price of Linux and BSD. Then drop your tiered pricing by a lot. Home basic at $30, Home premium $50, Professional $150 and Ultimate at $175.
<br>
I bet a lot more people would "purchase" their OS if they structured it like that. I also think it would help in the level of illegal copies.
<br> <br>
How did MS win in the web browser market? They made it free and included it in their OS.
<br>
Why not give away the lowest level of your OS for free to retain your market share?
<br>
That makes better sense to me at least.
<br> <br>
Regards,
Ben</htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
MS should give the crippled version away free .
The one that runs only 3 apps .
Then there would be no getting your money back when you purchase a computer .
It would also compete with the price of Linux and BSD .
Then drop your tiered pricing by a lot .
Home basic at $ 30 , Home premium $ 50 , Professional $ 150 and Ultimate at $ 175 .
I bet a lot more people would " purchase " their OS if they structured it like that .
I also think it would help in the level of illegal copies .
How did MS win in the web browser market ?
They made it free and included it in their OS .
Why not give away the lowest level of your OS for free to retain your market share ?
That makes better sense to me at least .
Regards , Ben</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
MS should give the crippled version away free.
The one that runs only 3 apps.
Then there would be no getting your money back when you purchase a computer.
It would also compete with the price of Linux and BSD.
Then drop your tiered pricing by a lot.
Home basic at $30, Home premium $50, Professional $150 and Ultimate at $175.
I bet a lot more people would "purchase" their OS if they structured it like that.
I also think it would help in the level of illegal copies.
How did MS win in the web browser market?
They made it free and included it in their OS.
Why not give away the lowest level of your OS for free to retain your market share?
That makes better sense to me at least.
Regards,
Ben</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28478465</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246046700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have an IntelliMouse, you insensitive clod!</p></div><p>[citation needed]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an IntelliMouse , you insensitive clod !
[ citation needed ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an IntelliMouse, you insensitive clod!
[citation needed]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468993</id>
	<title>Re:Do not hate me.</title>
	<author>jj00</author>
	<datestamp>1245955560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been trying it out, and so far I'm liking it for the most part.  I completely skipped Vista, so I must admit some of the features are new to me.
<br> <br>
I do have some gripes here and there, but I can't help but think back to the days when I hated XP and swore I would never use that crayon-colored bloated OS.  Eventually I had to use it, and I discovered the Windows Classic theme (is also included in Win7).
<br> <br>
My biggest fear so far has been the upgrade policy for the RC.  I know that it's a beta product, but from what I understand you have to reinstall the entire OS once the final product comes out.  I would really love to see a simple upgrade path - enter a new license number, upgrade a few files, etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been trying it out , and so far I 'm liking it for the most part .
I completely skipped Vista , so I must admit some of the features are new to me .
I do have some gripes here and there , but I ca n't help but think back to the days when I hated XP and swore I would never use that crayon-colored bloated OS .
Eventually I had to use it , and I discovered the Windows Classic theme ( is also included in Win7 ) .
My biggest fear so far has been the upgrade policy for the RC .
I know that it 's a beta product , but from what I understand you have to reinstall the entire OS once the final product comes out .
I would really love to see a simple upgrade path - enter a new license number , upgrade a few files , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been trying it out, and so far I'm liking it for the most part.
I completely skipped Vista, so I must admit some of the features are new to me.
I do have some gripes here and there, but I can't help but think back to the days when I hated XP and swore I would never use that crayon-colored bloated OS.
Eventually I had to use it, and I discovered the Windows Classic theme (is also included in Win7).
My biggest fear so far has been the upgrade policy for the RC.
I know that it's a beta product, but from what I understand you have to reinstall the entire OS once the final product comes out.
I would really love to see a simple upgrade path - enter a new license number, upgrade a few files, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469529</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245957600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The risk/benefit for MS doing shady stuff with their OS is quite different from some random hacker dude online.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The risk/benefit for MS doing shady stuff with their OS is quite different from some random hacker dude online .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>The risk/benefit for MS doing shady stuff with their OS is quite different from some random hacker dude online.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468857</id>
	<title>Re:IMO...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245955080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And the work <i>you</i> do should cost no more than $3!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p><p>Setting prices for others is fun!  And egocentric.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the work you do should cost no more than $ 3 !
: DSetting prices for others is fun !
And egocentric .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the work you do should cost no more than $3!
:DSetting prices for others is fun!
And egocentric.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467643</id>
	<title>Stop Comparing to MacOS Pricing</title>
	<author>xianthax</author>
	<datestamp>1245950640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, not the same market...</p><p>Mac computers can run Windows, but this is a second operating system purchase to the user, thus not the same primary OS market.</p><p>Windows users can not run Mac OS on their machines (at least not legally/easily) therefore this is again, a different market.</p><p>Mac OS upgrade has better be cheaper as their hardware costs a large amount more.</p><p>The only direct competition with windows on the desktop with generic hardware is linux (solaris/freebsd to lesser extent) but quite clearly this issue is much more complicated than pricing alone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , not the same market...Mac computers can run Windows , but this is a second operating system purchase to the user , thus not the same primary OS market.Windows users can not run Mac OS on their machines ( at least not legally/easily ) therefore this is again , a different market.Mac OS upgrade has better be cheaper as their hardware costs a large amount more.The only direct competition with windows on the desktop with generic hardware is linux ( solaris/freebsd to lesser extent ) but quite clearly this issue is much more complicated than pricing alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, not the same market...Mac computers can run Windows, but this is a second operating system purchase to the user, thus not the same primary OS market.Windows users can not run Mac OS on their machines (at least not legally/easily) therefore this is again, a different market.Mac OS upgrade has better be cheaper as their hardware costs a large amount more.The only direct competition with windows on the desktop with generic hardware is linux (solaris/freebsd to lesser extent) but quite clearly this issue is much more complicated than pricing alone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469957</id>
	<title>Re:Do not hate me.</title>
	<author>AndyGJ</author>
	<datestamp>1245959160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I ran into the installation size surprise when I was testing server 2008 - I was pretty surprised when the system partition was about 20gb a few days after install without me installing anything on it.</p><p>
<a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2008/11/19/disk-space.aspx" title="msdn.com" rel="nofollow">This is how</a> [msdn.com] they fit 20gb onto a 3gb DVD.<br> <br>
So its using hardlinks, but the kicker is I think every installer, and explorer report the size as multiples of the actual file size.<br> <br> Id love somone to tell me that I'm wrong here, as that seems pretty crazy to me!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ran into the installation size surprise when I was testing server 2008 - I was pretty surprised when the system partition was about 20gb a few days after install without me installing anything on it .
This is how [ msdn.com ] they fit 20gb onto a 3gb DVD .
So its using hardlinks , but the kicker is I think every installer , and explorer report the size as multiples of the actual file size .
Id love somone to tell me that I 'm wrong here , as that seems pretty crazy to me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ran into the installation size surprise when I was testing server 2008 - I was pretty surprised when the system partition was about 20gb a few days after install without me installing anything on it.
This is how [msdn.com] they fit 20gb onto a 3gb DVD.
So its using hardlinks, but the kicker is I think every installer, and explorer report the size as multiples of the actual file size.
Id love somone to tell me that I'm wrong here, as that seems pretty crazy to me!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468105</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1245952320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>for the majority of users, Windows comes 'for free' with their PC.</p></div><p>Linux subnotebook: $299.88. Windows subnotebook: $349.88. What's free now?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>for the majority of users , Windows comes 'for free ' with their PC.Linux subnotebook : $ 299.88 .
Windows subnotebook : $ 349.88 .
What 's free now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for the majority of users, Windows comes 'for free' with their PC.Linux subnotebook: $299.88.
Windows subnotebook: $349.88.
What's free now?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467393</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone actually buy windows?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I downloaded XP, off edonkey2000, over a 56k modem.<br>Though I didn't buy it, I feel I earned it.</p><p>That was before I went to university, and found they had free student licences anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I downloaded XP , off edonkey2000 , over a 56k modem.Though I did n't buy it , I feel I earned it.That was before I went to university , and found they had free student licences anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I downloaded XP, off edonkey2000, over a 56k modem.Though I didn't buy it, I feel I earned it.That was before I went to university, and found they had free student licences anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467949</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245951720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no version that only runs three apps anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no version that only runs three apps anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no version that only runs three apps anymore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468719</id>
	<title>Re:Time will tell.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245954540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm curious.  For everyone touting these 'problems' with Vista, how long did you actually give it?  I mean what actual 'problems' did you have?  Be specific....and don't include anything that was caused either by your inability to adapt and change, or bad hardware drivers.</p><p>For my own part I can't believe anyone actually uses Linux.  I mean I installed it and when I couldn't immediately install and run Hello Kitty Island Adventure I gave up.  Maybe when the OS doesn't have so many 'problems' we'll see a larger transition.  (There, that's about on par with your comment.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm curious .
For everyone touting these 'problems ' with Vista , how long did you actually give it ?
I mean what actual 'problems ' did you have ?
Be specific....and do n't include anything that was caused either by your inability to adapt and change , or bad hardware drivers.For my own part I ca n't believe anyone actually uses Linux .
I mean I installed it and when I could n't immediately install and run Hello Kitty Island Adventure I gave up .
Maybe when the OS does n't have so many 'problems ' we 'll see a larger transition .
( There , that 's about on par with your comment .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm curious.
For everyone touting these 'problems' with Vista, how long did you actually give it?
I mean what actual 'problems' did you have?
Be specific....and don't include anything that was caused either by your inability to adapt and change, or bad hardware drivers.For my own part I can't believe anyone actually uses Linux.
I mean I installed it and when I couldn't immediately install and run Hello Kitty Island Adventure I gave up.
Maybe when the OS doesn't have so many 'problems' we'll see a larger transition.
(There, that's about on par with your comment.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467247</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1245949080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But MS is competitively priced, if you already are running it. If your system is setup as Windows then the cost to learn and use Mac may not be worth the savings on the upgrade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But MS is competitively priced , if you already are running it .
If your system is setup as Windows then the cost to learn and use Mac may not be worth the savings on the upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But MS is competitively priced, if you already are running it.
If your system is setup as Windows then the cost to learn and use Mac may not be worth the savings on the upgrade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471435</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>trampel</author>
	<datestamp>1245921540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't disagree that (according to what I heard) Windows 7 is pretty good, but
<i>increasing</i> Microsoft's market share?</p><p>That would mean that somebody would switch from OS X or Linux to Windows, wouldn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't disagree that ( according to what I heard ) Windows 7 is pretty good , but increasing Microsoft 's market share ? That would mean that somebody would switch from OS X or Linux to Windows , would n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't disagree that (according to what I heard) Windows 7 is pretty good, but
increasing Microsoft's market share?That would mean that somebody would switch from OS X or Linux to Windows, wouldn't it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467667</id>
	<title>Re:You Mean</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245950700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Micro$oft already lost me as a customer. I switched to Ubuntu when I bought my last laptop with Vista on it. I asked and Best Buy wouldn't even give me the option to have XP installed.<br>
<br>
When it came to that trial software package thing. The technician at the store said he would uninstall it for me for $100. I said how about you don't put anything on it in the first place, save me $100 and then you wouldn't have to waste either of our time uninstalling it.<br>
<br>
I took the machine home, wiped it and went back the next day with a bill for time they cost me... Something tells me I'm never going to collect on that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Micro $ oft already lost me as a customer .
I switched to Ubuntu when I bought my last laptop with Vista on it .
I asked and Best Buy would n't even give me the option to have XP installed .
When it came to that trial software package thing .
The technician at the store said he would uninstall it for me for $ 100 .
I said how about you do n't put anything on it in the first place , save me $ 100 and then you would n't have to waste either of our time uninstalling it .
I took the machine home , wiped it and went back the next day with a bill for time they cost me... Something tells me I 'm never going to collect on that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Micro$oft already lost me as a customer.
I switched to Ubuntu when I bought my last laptop with Vista on it.
I asked and Best Buy wouldn't even give me the option to have XP installed.
When it came to that trial software package thing.
The technician at the store said he would uninstall it for me for $100.
I said how about you don't put anything on it in the first place, save me $100 and then you wouldn't have to waste either of our time uninstalling it.
I took the machine home, wiped it and went back the next day with a bill for time they cost me... Something tells me I'm never going to collect on that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28473823</id>
	<title>Suckers!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245930480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the release of Windows Vista &amp; 7,  everyone should now be aware that "There is a sucker born every minute" has now been officially changed to "There are 100 suckers born every minute"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the release of Windows Vista &amp; 7 , everyone should now be aware that " There is a sucker born every minute " has now been officially changed to " There are 100 suckers born every minute "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the release of Windows Vista &amp; 7,  everyone should now be aware that "There is a sucker born every minute" has now been officially changed to "There are 100 suckers born every minute"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468775</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245954780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you ever even look at what Ultimate was? It's just the features of Home Premium + Business combined.</p><p>In short, you get both Media Center *and* Active Directory. (In other words, there was pretty much no reason ever that anyone should have bought Ultimate, unless you're some weirdo who likes running their own Win2k3 servers at home and also wants to stream video to their Xbox)</p><p>I'm sorry, friend, but it pays to do a little research before you run off spending hundreds of dollars on something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you ever even look at what Ultimate was ?
It 's just the features of Home Premium + Business combined.In short , you get both Media Center * and * Active Directory .
( In other words , there was pretty much no reason ever that anyone should have bought Ultimate , unless you 're some weirdo who likes running their own Win2k3 servers at home and also wants to stream video to their Xbox ) I 'm sorry , friend , but it pays to do a little research before you run off spending hundreds of dollars on something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you ever even look at what Ultimate was?
It's just the features of Home Premium + Business combined.In short, you get both Media Center *and* Active Directory.
(In other words, there was pretty much no reason ever that anyone should have bought Ultimate, unless you're some weirdo who likes running their own Win2k3 servers at home and also wants to stream video to their Xbox)I'm sorry, friend, but it pays to do a little research before you run off spending hundreds of dollars on something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470587</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1245961620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt; &gt; I thought Windows was freeware... None of the torrent sites ever asked for payment.<br>&gt; Freeware or malware?<br><br>Outlook and Windows Media Player are Microsoft's main malware products.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; I thought Windows was freeware... None of the torrent sites ever asked for payment. &gt; Freeware or malware ? Outlook and Windows Media Player are Microsoft 's main malware products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; &gt; I thought Windows was freeware... None of the torrent sites ever asked for payment.&gt; Freeware or malware?Outlook and Windows Media Player are Microsoft's main malware products.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468763</id>
	<title>Re:Do not hate me.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245954720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"(how DO you fit 20GB of data on a 3GB DVD anyways????)"</p><p>Huh? Where do you get a 3GB DVD from? Never heard of dual layer? Double sided dual layer?</p><p>Windows 7's interface is atrocious. Microsoft have let 'The Ribbon' (another bad idea) go to their heads. Now we have a huge taskbar - is Windows 7 designed for the partially sighted? Three year olds? All I want is Windows XP just as it is - it works fine for me, and I don't NEED another 'better' OS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ( how DO you fit 20GB of data on a 3GB DVD anyways ? ? ? ? ) " Huh ?
Where do you get a 3GB DVD from ?
Never heard of dual layer ?
Double sided dual layer ? Windows 7 's interface is atrocious .
Microsoft have let 'The Ribbon ' ( another bad idea ) go to their heads .
Now we have a huge taskbar - is Windows 7 designed for the partially sighted ?
Three year olds ?
All I want is Windows XP just as it is - it works fine for me , and I do n't NEED another 'better ' OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"(how DO you fit 20GB of data on a 3GB DVD anyways????)"Huh?
Where do you get a 3GB DVD from?
Never heard of dual layer?
Double sided dual layer?Windows 7's interface is atrocious.
Microsoft have let 'The Ribbon' (another bad idea) go to their heads.
Now we have a huge taskbar - is Windows 7 designed for the partially sighted?
Three year olds?
All I want is Windows XP just as it is - it works fine for me, and I don't NEED another 'better' OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28476489</id>
	<title>Re:Do not hate me.</title>
	<author>ajlisows</author>
	<datestamp>1245943680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I too have used the RC for some time now and find it to be quite good.  It is stable and reasonably fast (Although logging onto a domain seems to take a much much longer amount of time than it does in Windows XP for some reason.  Completely anecdotal though as I've only tested it on one machine.)</p><p>The one thing that really really bothers me that started late in Windows XP is the new "Desktop Search."  Maybe I'm a complete idiot but A. Having Search indexing turned on bogs down the machine at times and B. I'll do a Search for a file that I KNOW is present (As in, I browse to a directory and look at the file) and Search simply doesn't find it!?!?!  I'm talking non-system, non-hidden files.  Just foobar.txt or the like. There is probably some utility I can install but more and more I have found myself dropping to the command line to do a dir<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/s foobar* or something to find the files.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I too have used the RC for some time now and find it to be quite good .
It is stable and reasonably fast ( Although logging onto a domain seems to take a much much longer amount of time than it does in Windows XP for some reason .
Completely anecdotal though as I 've only tested it on one machine .
) The one thing that really really bothers me that started late in Windows XP is the new " Desktop Search .
" Maybe I 'm a complete idiot but A. Having Search indexing turned on bogs down the machine at times and B. I 'll do a Search for a file that I KNOW is present ( As in , I browse to a directory and look at the file ) and Search simply does n't find it ! ? ! ? !
I 'm talking non-system , non-hidden files .
Just foobar.txt or the like .
There is probably some utility I can install but more and more I have found myself dropping to the command line to do a dir /s foobar * or something to find the files .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I too have used the RC for some time now and find it to be quite good.
It is stable and reasonably fast (Although logging onto a domain seems to take a much much longer amount of time than it does in Windows XP for some reason.
Completely anecdotal though as I've only tested it on one machine.
)The one thing that really really bothers me that started late in Windows XP is the new "Desktop Search.
"  Maybe I'm a complete idiot but A. Having Search indexing turned on bogs down the machine at times and B. I'll do a Search for a file that I KNOW is present (As in, I browse to a directory and look at the file) and Search simply doesn't find it!?!?!
I'm talking non-system, non-hidden files.
Just foobar.txt or the like.
There is probably some utility I can install but more and more I have found myself dropping to the command line to do a dir /s foobar* or something to find the files.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467765</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of posting with your username</title>
	<author>DeskLazer</author>
	<datestamp>1245951060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have really no issues with Vista to be honest, and Windows 7 seems like it'd be alright.  But seriously, if you're going to have an opinion and criticize other users for what they've said, at least post under your handle and have some balls so it doesn't look like cheap attempts at astroturfing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have really no issues with Vista to be honest , and Windows 7 seems like it 'd be alright .
But seriously , if you 're going to have an opinion and criticize other users for what they 've said , at least post under your handle and have some balls so it does n't look like cheap attempts at astroturfing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have really no issues with Vista to be honest, and Windows 7 seems like it'd be alright.
But seriously, if you're going to have an opinion and criticize other users for what they've said, at least post under your handle and have some balls so it doesn't look like cheap attempts at astroturfing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471127</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1245920580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean like the Xbox 360 with it's over priced wireless adapter and custom and highly over priced hard drives?
<br> <br>
While a 360 isn't required for a PC and, in fact, has little to do with a PC (other than MS would love for it to replace the PC) it just goes to show, if given a chance, MS will gouge the customer on hardware as well as software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean like the Xbox 360 with it 's over priced wireless adapter and custom and highly over priced hard drives ?
While a 360 is n't required for a PC and , in fact , has little to do with a PC ( other than MS would love for it to replace the PC ) it just goes to show , if given a chance , MS will gouge the customer on hardware as well as software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean like the Xbox 360 with it's over priced wireless adapter and custom and highly over priced hard drives?
While a 360 isn't required for a PC and, in fact, has little to do with a PC (other than MS would love for it to replace the PC) it just goes to show, if given a chance, MS will gouge the customer on hardware as well as software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467933</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>lawnboy5-O</author>
	<datestamp>1245951660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>80\% of MS office is profit.  I would gather its close to the same with OS on the desktop; maybe not so much with server products.  what is your point?  lets face it. MS has always produced an average product.  and like the car industry, it will slowly find its way to a point where everyone will realize there are much better technologies out there to consider.</htmltext>
<tokenext>80 \ % of MS office is profit .
I would gather its close to the same with OS on the desktop ; maybe not so much with server products .
what is your point ?
lets face it .
MS has always produced an average product .
and like the car industry , it will slowly find its way to a point where everyone will realize there are much better technologies out there to consider .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>80\% of MS office is profit.
I would gather its close to the same with OS on the desktop; maybe not so much with server products.
what is your point?
lets face it.
MS has always produced an average product.
and like the car industry, it will slowly find its way to a point where everyone will realize there are much better technologies out there to consider.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468967</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245955500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 3 app limit was removed a month ago at least...</p><p>There is NO running application limit in the Starter edition of Windows 7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 3 app limit was removed a month ago at least...There is NO running application limit in the Starter edition of Windows 7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 3 app limit was removed a month ago at least...There is NO running application limit in the Starter edition of Windows 7.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468409</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245953460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I run an OS from a torrent without an MD5... specifically, I run Windows XP but I do it in a VirtualBox virtual machine and I only do it to stream netflix.  I would never check my bank account or do anything else in there.  If the OS that I have is full of trojans / backdoors / spyware they can have at my NetFlix account.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I run an OS from a torrent without an MD5... specifically , I run Windows XP but I do it in a VirtualBox virtual machine and I only do it to stream netflix .
I would never check my bank account or do anything else in there .
If the OS that I have is full of trojans / backdoors / spyware they can have at my NetFlix account .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I run an OS from a torrent without an MD5... specifically, I run Windows XP but I do it in a VirtualBox virtual machine and I only do it to stream netflix.
I would never check my bank account or do anything else in there.
If the OS that I have is full of trojans / backdoors / spyware they can have at my NetFlix account.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470743</id>
	<title>Re:IMO...</title>
	<author>berwiki</author>
	<datestamp>1245962400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if you said that in the 60's, cars would never cost more than a few grand and salaries would still be around 6k per year.

<br> <br>Inflation is (generally) all relative.  You make 10 times what you made in the 60s, and stuff costs 10 times as much. <br> Apples to Apples.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if you said that in the 60 's , cars would never cost more than a few grand and salaries would still be around 6k per year .
Inflation is ( generally ) all relative .
You make 10 times what you made in the 60s , and stuff costs 10 times as much .
Apples to Apples .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you said that in the 60's, cars would never cost more than a few grand and salaries would still be around 6k per year.
Inflation is (generally) all relative.
You make 10 times what you made in the 60s, and stuff costs 10 times as much.
Apples to Apples.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28473311</id>
	<title>windows should cost as much as an xbox game</title>
	<author>Flentil</author>
	<datestamp>1245928080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's all.  Just as much work goes into an xbox game, and you probably get much more enjoyment from the game.  Windows is and has always been too expensive for people not to pirate.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's all .
Just as much work goes into an xbox game , and you probably get much more enjoyment from the game .
Windows is and has always been too expensive for people not to pirate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's all.
Just as much work goes into an xbox game, and you probably get much more enjoyment from the game.
Windows is and has always been too expensive for people not to pirate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28477049</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245948000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuck microshit windaids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck microshit windaids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck microshit windaids.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471055</id>
	<title>What the heck!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245920400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had heard rumors that the upgrade would be free for Vista users since Vista sucked so badly. I guess this really proves why we should all turn to Ubuntu!</p><p>Die Microsoft, Die!</p><p>Sithlord Coward</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had heard rumors that the upgrade would be free for Vista users since Vista sucked so badly .
I guess this really proves why we should all turn to Ubuntu ! Die Microsoft , Die ! Sithlord Coward</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had heard rumors that the upgrade would be free for Vista users since Vista sucked so badly.
I guess this really proves why we should all turn to Ubuntu!Die Microsoft, Die!Sithlord Coward</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468977</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>jmorris42</author>
	<datestamp>1245955500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Well if you don't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing.</p><p>I'm really tired of that bullshit line.  If the boxed copies of OS X were "non-upgrade FULL VERSION" then Apple wouldn't have a case against Pystar.  It really is time for Apple and you fanbois to stop trying to have it both ways.  Either the "non-upgrade FULL VERSION" is what it says or it is just an upgrade that will upgrade an older version than the $30 upgrade does.  But being able to run around saying OS X is less expensive than Windows (see the $130 FULL VERSION") yet launching lawyers at anyone who actually believes it is dishonest to the core.  Decide one way or the other and live with the consequences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Well if you do n't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $ 120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing.I 'm really tired of that bullshit line .
If the boxed copies of OS X were " non-upgrade FULL VERSION " then Apple would n't have a case against Pystar .
It really is time for Apple and you fanbois to stop trying to have it both ways .
Either the " non-upgrade FULL VERSION " is what it says or it is just an upgrade that will upgrade an older version than the $ 30 upgrade does .
But being able to run around saying OS X is less expensive than Windows ( see the $ 130 FULL VERSION " ) yet launching lawyers at anyone who actually believes it is dishonest to the core .
Decide one way or the other and live with the consequences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Well if you don't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing.I'm really tired of that bullshit line.
If the boxed copies of OS X were "non-upgrade FULL VERSION" then Apple wouldn't have a case against Pystar.
It really is time for Apple and you fanbois to stop trying to have it both ways.
Either the "non-upgrade FULL VERSION" is what it says or it is just an upgrade that will upgrade an older version than the $30 upgrade does.
But being able to run around saying OS X is less expensive than Windows (see the $130 FULL VERSION") yet launching lawyers at anyone who actually believes it is dishonest to the core.
Decide one way or the other and live with the consequences.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28479905</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>metaforest</author>
	<datestamp>1246017900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'd like to know what happy Microsoft consumers are thinking.</i></p><p>I'd ask the same thing about happy Americans.   I don't know any.<br>And I don't know any happy Windows users either...</p><p>They both whine like abused wives that haven't accepted that the hubby has got to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to know what happy Microsoft consumers are thinking.I 'd ask the same thing about happy Americans .
I do n't know any.And I do n't know any happy Windows users either...They both whine like abused wives that have n't accepted that the hubby has got to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to know what happy Microsoft consumers are thinking.I'd ask the same thing about happy Americans.
I don't know any.And I don't know any happy Windows users either...They both whine like abused wives that haven't accepted that the hubby has got to go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469041</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>timster</author>
	<datestamp>1245955680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I guess if you're satisfied with your current setup (which does sound sweet) then you get to not upgrade for free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I guess if you 're satisfied with your current setup ( which does sound sweet ) then you get to not upgrade for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I guess if you're satisfied with your current setup (which does sound sweet) then you get to not upgrade for free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469079</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>Scroatzilla</author>
	<datestamp>1245955800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think your post is at all a flame. I'll go one step farther and say that I don't think most people even *know* what an Operating System is. This is at the heart of why, outside of tech circles, praise for Linux falls on deaf ears.</p><p>Don't get me wrong: They know that there is this thing called "Windows". I just think that, much like people think that Internet Explorer *is* the internet, they think that Windows *is* the computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think your post is at all a flame .
I 'll go one step farther and say that I do n't think most people even * know * what an Operating System is .
This is at the heart of why , outside of tech circles , praise for Linux falls on deaf ears.Do n't get me wrong : They know that there is this thing called " Windows " .
I just think that , much like people think that Internet Explorer * is * the internet , they think that Windows * is * the computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think your post is at all a flame.
I'll go one step farther and say that I don't think most people even *know* what an Operating System is.
This is at the heart of why, outside of tech circles, praise for Linux falls on deaf ears.Don't get me wrong: They know that there is this thing called "Windows".
I just think that, much like people think that Internet Explorer *is* the internet, they think that Windows *is* the computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467459</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>p1r4t3</author>
	<datestamp>1245949920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How else will they continue to fun their legal battles and OS development.  LOL  Plus they need to make up for vista and other projects that don't turn a profit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How else will they continue to fun their legal battles and OS development .
LOL Plus they need to make up for vista and other projects that do n't turn a profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How else will they continue to fun their legal battles and OS development.
LOL  Plus they need to make up for vista and other projects that don't turn a profit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471065</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of posting with your username</title>
	<author>CyberDragon777</author>
	<datestamp>1245920460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p><p>He is brave, but not insane!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is /.He is brave , but not insane !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is /.He is brave, but not insane!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467433</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1245949800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The update of Windows 7 is cheaper than the full version, unless you only have Windows 2K, Windows 98, or Windows ME.<br>It's not unusual for an update to be limited to recent versions. Once you skip a couple of updates you have to pay full price again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The update of Windows 7 is cheaper than the full version , unless you only have Windows 2K , Windows 98 , or Windows ME.It 's not unusual for an update to be limited to recent versions .
Once you skip a couple of updates you have to pay full price again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The update of Windows 7 is cheaper than the full version, unless you only have Windows 2K, Windows 98, or Windows ME.It's not unusual for an update to be limited to recent versions.
Once you skip a couple of updates you have to pay full price again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28473933</id>
	<title>Re:buy Naked</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245930840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mostly they seem to bundle FreeDOS rather than selling a truely naked computer, as the manufacturers' deal with Microsoft requires them to bundle an operating system (funny that the OS is never Linux, maybe there is something in the fineprint of that contract).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mostly they seem to bundle FreeDOS rather than selling a truely naked computer , as the manufacturers ' deal with Microsoft requires them to bundle an operating system ( funny that the OS is never Linux , maybe there is something in the fineprint of that contract ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mostly they seem to bundle FreeDOS rather than selling a truely naked computer, as the manufacturers' deal with Microsoft requires them to bundle an operating system (funny that the OS is never Linux, maybe there is something in the fineprint of that contract).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470933</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Abreu</author>
	<datestamp>1245963120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People have always been able to get a copy of Windows for about $1.00USD in the markets down the street.</p><p>And all the small computer shops will include you free copies of MS Office, Nero, PowerDVD, Photoshop, Autocad, etc. plus anything else you wish to ask for, when you buy a new computer off them.</p><p>This is the main reason people see no need to switch to Linux in the developing world</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People have always been able to get a copy of Windows for about $ 1.00USD in the markets down the street.And all the small computer shops will include you free copies of MS Office , Nero , PowerDVD , Photoshop , Autocad , etc .
plus anything else you wish to ask for , when you buy a new computer off them.This is the main reason people see no need to switch to Linux in the developing world</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People have always been able to get a copy of Windows for about $1.00USD in the markets down the street.And all the small computer shops will include you free copies of MS Office, Nero, PowerDVD, Photoshop, Autocad, etc.
plus anything else you wish to ask for, when you buy a new computer off them.This is the main reason people see no need to switch to Linux in the developing world</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469303</id>
	<title>Re:buy Naked</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245956640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slashdot is not the place to whore out your shitty attempt at beating newegg.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot is not the place to whore out your shitty attempt at beating newegg .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot is not the place to whore out your shitty attempt at beating newegg.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467351</id>
	<title>Really?</title>
	<author>dr00g911</author>
	<datestamp>1245949500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a nod to the global economic downturn, it is interesting to note that upgrade prices are <i>still</i> more expensive than a non-upgrade OEM copy with far more reinstallation hassles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a nod to the global economic downturn , it is interesting to note that upgrade prices are still more expensive than a non-upgrade OEM copy with far more reinstallation hassles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a nod to the global economic downturn, it is interesting to note that upgrade prices are still more expensive than a non-upgrade OEM copy with far more reinstallation hassles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28479677</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone actually buy windows?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246015200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I did. Two years ago. I guess my time of freeloading is over - I'm actually buying almost all of my games now<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>XP cost me 99 euros (about 120 dollars?).</p><p>- jcz</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did .
Two years ago .
I guess my time of freeloading is over - I 'm actually buying almost all of my games now ; ) XP cost me 99 euros ( about 120 dollars ?
) .- jcz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did.
Two years ago.
I guess my time of freeloading is over - I'm actually buying almost all of my games now ;)XP cost me 99 euros (about 120 dollars?
).- jcz</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469237</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1245956400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the big scheme of things, how many people go out and buy the full retail version of ANY Microsoft operating system?  OEM versions are much cheaper and easy enough to get hold of from most retailers and if I wanted a copy at home I wouldn't think twice about buying one.</p><p>Businesses buy the volume licensing version and upgrade whatever their PCs ship with; <b>most</b> individuals don't voluntarily install an operating system of any description, much less perform an upgrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the big scheme of things , how many people go out and buy the full retail version of ANY Microsoft operating system ?
OEM versions are much cheaper and easy enough to get hold of from most retailers and if I wanted a copy at home I would n't think twice about buying one.Businesses buy the volume licensing version and upgrade whatever their PCs ship with ; most individuals do n't voluntarily install an operating system of any description , much less perform an upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the big scheme of things, how many people go out and buy the full retail version of ANY Microsoft operating system?
OEM versions are much cheaper and easy enough to get hold of from most retailers and if I wanted a copy at home I wouldn't think twice about buying one.Businesses buy the volume licensing version and upgrade whatever their PCs ship with; most individuals don't voluntarily install an operating system of any description, much less perform an upgrade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467121</id>
	<title>Going right after Mac OS X</title>
	<author>guruevi</author>
	<datestamp>1245948600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently they have noticed their pricing was too ridiculous compared to other systems. Vista was the pinnacle of it, a crappy system that was sold for what... $499 retail?</p><p>Mac OS X starts off at $129 as well for new releases (and goes down from there) and $199 for a 5 license pack and I believe that Apple has been eating Microsoft for lunch on the home desktop market and is making inroads on the business as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently they have noticed their pricing was too ridiculous compared to other systems .
Vista was the pinnacle of it , a crappy system that was sold for what... $ 499 retail ? Mac OS X starts off at $ 129 as well for new releases ( and goes down from there ) and $ 199 for a 5 license pack and I believe that Apple has been eating Microsoft for lunch on the home desktop market and is making inroads on the business as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently they have noticed their pricing was too ridiculous compared to other systems.
Vista was the pinnacle of it, a crappy system that was sold for what... $499 retail?Mac OS X starts off at $129 as well for new releases (and goes down from there) and $199 for a 5 license pack and I believe that Apple has been eating Microsoft for lunch on the home desktop market and is making inroads on the business as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467365</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>iamacat</author>
	<datestamp>1245949500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cue in to Apple ads where people are sent to Best Buy to find an operating system for fifty bucks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cue in to Apple ads where people are sent to Best Buy to find an operating system for fifty bucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cue in to Apple ads where people are sent to Best Buy to find an operating system for fifty bucks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467693</id>
	<title>Alternatives?</title>
	<author>macbeth66</author>
	<datestamp>1245950820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If we, in the Linux world, would stop all of the BS bickering, we could have taken advantage of this situation.  Arguments over Gnome vs KDE vs whatever and the horrible treatment newbies get on the forums are killing any kind of mass migration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If we , in the Linux world , would stop all of the BS bickering , we could have taken advantage of this situation .
Arguments over Gnome vs KDE vs whatever and the horrible treatment newbies get on the forums are killing any kind of mass migration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we, in the Linux world, would stop all of the BS bickering, we could have taken advantage of this situation.
Arguments over Gnome vs KDE vs whatever and the horrible treatment newbies get on the forums are killing any kind of mass migration.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468051</id>
	<title>Re:You Mean</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1245952080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why start now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why start now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why start now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469419</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245957120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We wanted out of the 90s, then MS gave us Vista and reset the clock!</p><p>I do like Win 7 very much though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We wanted out of the 90s , then MS gave us Vista and reset the clock ! I do like Win 7 very much though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We wanted out of the 90s, then MS gave us Vista and reset the clock!I do like Win 7 very much though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469291</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>keytoe</author>
	<datestamp>1245956640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>$6100 dollars for 8 4Gb sticks from the apple store (configuring a mac pro). That's about $400 at newegg.</p></div></blockquote><p>You're either lying or misinformed. You need DDR3 PC3-8500 ECC RAM for a Mac Pro. That's some beefy stuff on it's own. You're also talking about getting it in 4GB sticks, which is about as big as they make a single stick these days. And you're talking about needing 8 of them to fill the slots available to get to 32GB total. Those are the requirements.</p><p>Newegg carries DDR3 PC3-8500 ECC RAM, but only in densities up to 1GB per stick. They're from Crucial and they cost $18.99 as of right now. That's interesting, but that's not what you said. Crucial does actually make 4GB sticks of the correct RAM, but they go for $430 <b>each</b>. Purchasing 8 of them would run you about $3440.</p><p>Now, I'll admit that a $2660 premium for getting the RAM configured directly by Apple is a terrible deal - but most everyone already knows by now to never by RAM from Apple. Had you perhaps used real numbers to make your point, it would have stood and no foul committed. Instead, you discredited yourself.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 6100 dollars for 8 4Gb sticks from the apple store ( configuring a mac pro ) .
That 's about $ 400 at newegg.You 're either lying or misinformed .
You need DDR3 PC3-8500 ECC RAM for a Mac Pro .
That 's some beefy stuff on it 's own .
You 're also talking about getting it in 4GB sticks , which is about as big as they make a single stick these days .
And you 're talking about needing 8 of them to fill the slots available to get to 32GB total .
Those are the requirements.Newegg carries DDR3 PC3-8500 ECC RAM , but only in densities up to 1GB per stick .
They 're from Crucial and they cost $ 18.99 as of right now .
That 's interesting , but that 's not what you said .
Crucial does actually make 4GB sticks of the correct RAM , but they go for $ 430 each .
Purchasing 8 of them would run you about $ 3440.Now , I 'll admit that a $ 2660 premium for getting the RAM configured directly by Apple is a terrible deal - but most everyone already knows by now to never by RAM from Apple .
Had you perhaps used real numbers to make your point , it would have stood and no foul committed .
Instead , you discredited yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$6100 dollars for 8 4Gb sticks from the apple store (configuring a mac pro).
That's about $400 at newegg.You're either lying or misinformed.
You need DDR3 PC3-8500 ECC RAM for a Mac Pro.
That's some beefy stuff on it's own.
You're also talking about getting it in 4GB sticks, which is about as big as they make a single stick these days.
And you're talking about needing 8 of them to fill the slots available to get to 32GB total.
Those are the requirements.Newegg carries DDR3 PC3-8500 ECC RAM, but only in densities up to 1GB per stick.
They're from Crucial and they cost $18.99 as of right now.
That's interesting, but that's not what you said.
Crucial does actually make 4GB sticks of the correct RAM, but they go for $430 each.
Purchasing 8 of them would run you about $3440.Now, I'll admit that a $2660 premium for getting the RAM configured directly by Apple is a terrible deal - but most everyone already knows by now to never by RAM from Apple.
Had you perhaps used real numbers to make your point, it would have stood and no foul committed.
Instead, you discredited yourself.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467159</id>
	<title>You Mean</title>
	<author>Ian Alexander</author>
	<datestamp>1245948720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Microsoft expects people to <i>pay</i> for Windows?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft expects people to pay for Windows ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft expects people to pay for Windows?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469497</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1245957420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Most of the people who will pay $29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardware.  <strong>How many vista users bought their hardware from microsoft?</strong></p> </div><p>All of the ones that bought Vista bundled with their PC, since all OEMs have to pay Microsoft to do that.
<br> <br>
Keep in mind that this constitutes a large portion of their user base.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the people who will pay $ 29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardware .
How many vista users bought their hardware from microsoft ?
All of the ones that bought Vista bundled with their PC , since all OEMs have to pay Microsoft to do that .
Keep in mind that this constitutes a large portion of their user base .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the people who will pay $29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardware.
How many vista users bought their hardware from microsoft?
All of the ones that bought Vista bundled with their PC, since all OEMs have to pay Microsoft to do that.
Keep in mind that this constitutes a large portion of their user base.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470799</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1245962700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well if you don't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing.</p> </div><p>You forgot the part of the price that's on the hardware sticker. When Apple will sell full version of OS X without a license that restricts its usage to Apple machines only, then we can consider $120 as the real, actual price. Until then the actual price is simply hidden in the overpriced hardware.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if you do n't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $ 120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing .
You forgot the part of the price that 's on the hardware sticker .
When Apple will sell full version of OS X without a license that restricts its usage to Apple machines only , then we can consider $ 120 as the real , actual price .
Until then the actual price is simply hidden in the overpriced hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if you don't have 10.5 already then Snow Leopard is $120 for the non-upgrade FULL VERSION pricing.
You forgot the part of the price that's on the hardware sticker.
When Apple will sell full version of OS X without a license that restricts its usage to Apple machines only, then we can consider $120 as the real, actual price.
Until then the actual price is simply hidden in the overpriced hardware.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28477973</id>
	<title>Microsoft Windows 7 Release Candidate + Upgrade</title>
	<author>JakFrost</author>
	<datestamp>1245955920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unbeknown to me I ordered <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Windows Vista 64-bit for System Builders - OEM for $99.99 USD</a> [newegg.com] edition just two days before this limited-time upgrade deal was announced and now the package is in the mail.  Luckily for me, I intend to refuse delivery and Newegg will take the items back and refund me the money.  I'll be able to recoup my costs.</p><p>Strangely if I bought my Vista version after June 26, 2009 I could get Windows 7 for only $9.99 USD for the upgrade, but because I placed the order on June 24th I don't get squat.</p><p>I just downloaded the <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/download.aspx" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Windows 7 Release Candidate 64-bit</a> [microsoft.com] version for free and got a product key that will work all the way until March 1, 2010 and then expire June 1, 2010.  I'm going to install this version on a new system upgrade that I just built with <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">Intel Core i7 920 2.6 GHz</a> [newegg.com], <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131359" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">Asus P6T</a> [newegg.com], <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231247" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">G.Skill 6GB DDR3-1600 C8</a> [newegg.com] memory, and <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233023" title="newegg.com" rel="nofollow">Xigmatek HDT-S1284EE</a> [newegg.com] cooler.</p><p>If I purchase the <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/buy/offers/pre-order.aspx" title="microsoft.com" rel="nofollow">Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade pre-order for $49.99 USD</a> [microsoft.com] by July 11, 2009 then I can jump from my Windows XP to Windows 7 for only $50 USD and I get to do a clean install anyway.</p><p>When October 22, 2009 rolls around and they release the full version of Windows 7 then I can either update, upgrade, or at worst do a clean reinstall to the full release RTM version then.  I think that this is the path that I'm going to take and save myself half costs and skip Windows Vista along the way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unbeknown to me I ordered Microsoft Windows Vista 64-bit for System Builders - OEM for $ 99.99 USD [ newegg.com ] edition just two days before this limited-time upgrade deal was announced and now the package is in the mail .
Luckily for me , I intend to refuse delivery and Newegg will take the items back and refund me the money .
I 'll be able to recoup my costs.Strangely if I bought my Vista version after June 26 , 2009 I could get Windows 7 for only $ 9.99 USD for the upgrade , but because I placed the order on June 24th I do n't get squat.I just downloaded the Microsoft Windows 7 Release Candidate 64-bit [ microsoft.com ] version for free and got a product key that will work all the way until March 1 , 2010 and then expire June 1 , 2010 .
I 'm going to install this version on a new system upgrade that I just built with Intel Core i7 920 2.6 GHz [ newegg.com ] , Asus P6T [ newegg.com ] , G.Skill 6GB DDR3-1600 C8 [ newegg.com ] memory , and Xigmatek HDT-S1284EE [ newegg.com ] cooler.If I purchase the Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade pre-order for $ 49.99 USD [ microsoft.com ] by July 11 , 2009 then I can jump from my Windows XP to Windows 7 for only $ 50 USD and I get to do a clean install anyway.When October 22 , 2009 rolls around and they release the full version of Windows 7 then I can either update , upgrade , or at worst do a clean reinstall to the full release RTM version then .
I think that this is the path that I 'm going to take and save myself half costs and skip Windows Vista along the way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unbeknown to me I ordered Microsoft Windows Vista 64-bit for System Builders - OEM for $99.99 USD [newegg.com] edition just two days before this limited-time upgrade deal was announced and now the package is in the mail.
Luckily for me, I intend to refuse delivery and Newegg will take the items back and refund me the money.
I'll be able to recoup my costs.Strangely if I bought my Vista version after June 26, 2009 I could get Windows 7 for only $9.99 USD for the upgrade, but because I placed the order on June 24th I don't get squat.I just downloaded the Microsoft Windows 7 Release Candidate 64-bit [microsoft.com] version for free and got a product key that will work all the way until March 1, 2010 and then expire June 1, 2010.
I'm going to install this version on a new system upgrade that I just built with Intel Core i7 920 2.6 GHz [newegg.com], Asus P6T [newegg.com], G.Skill 6GB DDR3-1600 C8 [newegg.com] memory, and Xigmatek HDT-S1284EE [newegg.com] cooler.If I purchase the Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium Upgrade pre-order for $49.99 USD [microsoft.com] by July 11, 2009 then I can jump from my Windows XP to Windows 7 for only $50 USD and I get to do a clean install anyway.When October 22, 2009 rolls around and they release the full version of Windows 7 then I can either update, upgrade, or at worst do a clean reinstall to the full release RTM version then.
I think that this is the path that I'm going to take and save myself half costs and skip Windows Vista along the way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468583</id>
	<title>Re:So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245954060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work in academics and see those similar price deals for MS software.  It comes from the fact that most school license MS software per person, not per machine.  So if the school has 4000 students they pay $x per student per year to be able to use the core MS products (OS and Office).  The agreements also usually also students and sometimes faculty/staff to purchase at low rates such about $20.  The $20 is actually more of a "processing fee" the pays for the media and distribution.  The license to use is based on being a student or employee and usually you are only allowed one copy.</p><p>This does show very well though one way that microsoft double charges a lot of companies.  As a school we pay $x per student/employee per year for the MS products.  But with virtually every Windows computer we purchase we are also paying the vendor for a copy of the OS since you can rarely get a computer without an OS installed.  At least it lets me get a free copy of Windows though to run as a VM on my Mac when I need it though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work in academics and see those similar price deals for MS software .
It comes from the fact that most school license MS software per person , not per machine .
So if the school has 4000 students they pay $ x per student per year to be able to use the core MS products ( OS and Office ) .
The agreements also usually also students and sometimes faculty/staff to purchase at low rates such about $ 20 .
The $ 20 is actually more of a " processing fee " the pays for the media and distribution .
The license to use is based on being a student or employee and usually you are only allowed one copy.This does show very well though one way that microsoft double charges a lot of companies .
As a school we pay $ x per student/employee per year for the MS products .
But with virtually every Windows computer we purchase we are also paying the vendor for a copy of the OS since you can rarely get a computer without an OS installed .
At least it lets me get a free copy of Windows though to run as a VM on my Mac when I need it though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work in academics and see those similar price deals for MS software.
It comes from the fact that most school license MS software per person, not per machine.
So if the school has 4000 students they pay $x per student per year to be able to use the core MS products (OS and Office).
The agreements also usually also students and sometimes faculty/staff to purchase at low rates such about $20.
The $20 is actually more of a "processing fee" the pays for the media and distribution.
The license to use is based on being a student or employee and usually you are only allowed one copy.This does show very well though one way that microsoft double charges a lot of companies.
As a school we pay $x per student/employee per year for the MS products.
But with virtually every Windows computer we purchase we are also paying the vendor for a copy of the OS since you can rarely get a computer without an OS installed.
At least it lets me get a free copy of Windows though to run as a VM on my Mac when I need it though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467883</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>Graff</author>
	<datestamp>1245951540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah, and if I could buy snow leopard for my PC, I might actually consider it.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.hackintosh.com/" title="hackintosh.com">If</a> [hackintosh.com] <a href="http://lifehacker.com/software/hack-attack/build-a-hackintosh-mac-for-under-800-321913.php" title="lifehacker.com">you</a> [lifehacker.com] <a href="http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main\_Page" title="osx86project.org">look</a> [osx86project.org] <a href="http://www.hackint0sh.org/forum/f104/" title="hackint0sh.org">around</a> [hackint0sh.org] you might find a few ways to do that...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and if I could buy snow leopard for my PC , I might actually consider it .
If [ hackintosh.com ] you [ lifehacker.com ] look [ osx86project.org ] around [ hackint0sh.org ] you might find a few ways to do that.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and if I could buy snow leopard for my PC, I might actually consider it.
If [hackintosh.com] you [lifehacker.com] look [osx86project.org] around [hackint0sh.org] you might find a few ways to do that...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28473967</id>
	<title>300 for an OS</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1245930960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So that could be actually more then you paid for your entire PC these days.</p><p>ya, makes tons of sense..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So that could be actually more then you paid for your entire PC these days.ya , makes tons of sense. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So that could be actually more then you paid for your entire PC these days.ya, makes tons of sense..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470715</id>
	<title>What is the OEM / SYSTEM builder price? The buy a</title>
	<author>Joe The Dragon</author>
	<datestamp>1245962280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the OEM / SYSTEM builder price? The buy a new pc with vista and later go to 7 price?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the OEM / SYSTEM builder price ?
The buy a new pc with vista and later go to 7 price ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the OEM / SYSTEM builder price?
The buy a new pc with vista and later go to 7 price?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467915</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Ascagnel</author>
	<datestamp>1245951600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't trust an OS from a torrent aggregator unless I have some way to check its veracity (i.e.: Ubuntu posts md5's of its ISOs, but you won't find one for an iffy torrent.</p><p>This doesn't matter much anyways, since most corporate environments are on a volume license, and most home users will get Win7 preinstalled.  It really only matters to geeks like us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't trust an OS from a torrent aggregator unless I have some way to check its veracity ( i.e .
: Ubuntu posts md5 's of its ISOs , but you wo n't find one for an iffy torrent.This does n't matter much anyways , since most corporate environments are on a volume license , and most home users will get Win7 preinstalled .
It really only matters to geeks like us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't trust an OS from a torrent aggregator unless I have some way to check its veracity (i.e.
: Ubuntu posts md5's of its ISOs, but you won't find one for an iffy torrent.This doesn't matter much anyways, since most corporate environments are on a volume license, and most home users will get Win7 preinstalled.
It really only matters to geeks like us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467385</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For businesses , its about reliability, not price. If they ship it with default admin user again, it has no way of being secure and reliable, with the UAC bug and all.<br>On the other hand, home user doesn't care about owning a legal copy, and will use pirated if presented the opportunity. Home users that buy original mostly do so UNKNOWINGLY, when buying laptop or brand machine. Or when the price is expressed as total - and the price is still right. That being said, those machines tend to be awful - for example where I live, a relatively big company sells their desktop machines with horrible hardware, Asus motherboards with tons of bios bugs, cheapest possible PSU, memory and disk. Price is OK, but without Windows user would get MUCH better machine for the same amount of money. So the choice is -  bad bad machine with legal Windows, or decent machine with pirated Windows. (disclaimer: IMHO Asus is not too bad as mobos go, but really those specific motherboards are some of the worst Asus mobos that I've ever seen - and I've seen a LOT).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For businesses , its about reliability , not price .
If they ship it with default admin user again , it has no way of being secure and reliable , with the UAC bug and all.On the other hand , home user does n't care about owning a legal copy , and will use pirated if presented the opportunity .
Home users that buy original mostly do so UNKNOWINGLY , when buying laptop or brand machine .
Or when the price is expressed as total - and the price is still right .
That being said , those machines tend to be awful - for example where I live , a relatively big company sells their desktop machines with horrible hardware , Asus motherboards with tons of bios bugs , cheapest possible PSU , memory and disk .
Price is OK , but without Windows user would get MUCH better machine for the same amount of money .
So the choice is - bad bad machine with legal Windows , or decent machine with pirated Windows .
( disclaimer : IMHO Asus is not too bad as mobos go , but really those specific motherboards are some of the worst Asus mobos that I 've ever seen - and I 've seen a LOT ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For businesses , its about reliability, not price.
If they ship it with default admin user again, it has no way of being secure and reliable, with the UAC bug and all.On the other hand, home user doesn't care about owning a legal copy, and will use pirated if presented the opportunity.
Home users that buy original mostly do so UNKNOWINGLY, when buying laptop or brand machine.
Or when the price is expressed as total - and the price is still right.
That being said, those machines tend to be awful - for example where I live, a relatively big company sells their desktop machines with horrible hardware, Asus motherboards with tons of bios bugs, cheapest possible PSU, memory and disk.
Price is OK, but without Windows user would get MUCH better machine for the same amount of money.
So the choice is -  bad bad machine with legal Windows, or decent machine with pirated Windows.
(disclaimer: IMHO Asus is not too bad as mobos go, but really those specific motherboards are some of the worst Asus mobos that I've ever seen - and I've seen a LOT).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468437</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>sarhjinian</author>
	<datestamp>1245953580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple doesn't have the comfort of being able to sell software at the kinds of margin that Microsoft does.</p><p>And no, I don't mean Windows.  Price out licenses for SQL Server, Exchange, Windows Server (especially the higher-end editions), Terminal Server (that one always pissed me off) or anything in the Dynamics suite.  Oh, and then there's software assurance and the guaranteed-purchase volume Select agreements.</p><p>Believe you me, Microsoft has plenty of avenues for high-margin sales.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple does n't have the comfort of being able to sell software at the kinds of margin that Microsoft does.And no , I do n't mean Windows .
Price out licenses for SQL Server , Exchange , Windows Server ( especially the higher-end editions ) , Terminal Server ( that one always pissed me off ) or anything in the Dynamics suite .
Oh , and then there 's software assurance and the guaranteed-purchase volume Select agreements.Believe you me , Microsoft has plenty of avenues for high-margin sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple doesn't have the comfort of being able to sell software at the kinds of margin that Microsoft does.And no, I don't mean Windows.
Price out licenses for SQL Server, Exchange, Windows Server (especially the higher-end editions), Terminal Server (that one always pissed me off) or anything in the Dynamics suite.
Oh, and then there's software assurance and the guaranteed-purchase volume Select agreements.Believe you me, Microsoft has plenty of avenues for high-margin sales.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28473953</id>
	<title>Full is 199?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1245930900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, my vendor is FAR cheaper.  You might have heard of them before, piratebay?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , my vendor is FAR cheaper .
You might have heard of them before , piratebay ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, my vendor is FAR cheaper.
You might have heard of them before, piratebay?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28479879</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>metaforest</author>
	<datestamp>1246017660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmmm  Snow Cat.... wont run on that.....  I'd say thats incentive to sell the G5 QC.....</p><p>YMMV</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm Snow Cat.... wont run on that..... I 'd say thats incentive to sell the G5 QC.....YMMV</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm  Snow Cat.... wont run on that.....  I'd say thats incentive to sell the G5 QC.....YMMV</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467621</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245950580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure if someoen already mentioned it...</p><p>but they removed the 3-app cripple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure if someoen already mentioned it...but they removed the 3-app cripple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure if someoen already mentioned it...but they removed the 3-app cripple.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467239</id>
	<title>You mean people..</title>
	<author>stillpixel</author>
	<datestamp>1245949020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>actually PAY to have Windows on the PCs?</htmltext>
<tokenext>actually PAY to have Windows on the PCs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually PAY to have Windows on the PCs?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467901</id>
	<title>Microsoft makes input devices too</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1245951600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Most of the people who will pay $29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardware.  How many vista users bought their hardware from microsoft?</p></div><p>Microsoft sells a good deal of replacement keyboards and mice, as well as smaller mice for laptop PCs. Microsoft also sells Windows-compatible USB gamepads under the Xbox 360 brand.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the people who will pay $ 29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardware .
How many vista users bought their hardware from microsoft ? Microsoft sells a good deal of replacement keyboards and mice , as well as smaller mice for laptop PCs .
Microsoft also sells Windows-compatible USB gamepads under the Xbox 360 brand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the people who will pay $29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardware.
How many vista users bought their hardware from microsoft?Microsoft sells a good deal of replacement keyboards and mice, as well as smaller mice for laptop PCs.
Microsoft also sells Windows-compatible USB gamepads under the Xbox 360 brand.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467825</id>
	<title>Bad summary</title>
	<author>ProppaT</author>
	<datestamp>1245951300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where's the part of the summary telling people that they can upgrade for $49.99 by pre-ordering?</p><p>"Finally, as a way of saying thank you to our loyal Windows customers, we are excited to introduce a special time limited offer! We will offer people in select markets the opportunity to pre-order Windows 7 at a more than 50\% discount. In the US, this will mean you can pre-order Windows 7 Home Premium for USD $49.99 or Windows 7 Professional for USD $99.99. You can take advantage of this special offer online via select retail partners such as Best Buy or Amazon, or the online Microsoft Store (in participating markets).</p><p>This program begins tomorrow in the U.S., Canada and Japan. The offer ends July 11th in the U.S. and Canada and on July 5th for Japan or while supplies last. Customers in the UK, France and Germany, can pre-order their copy of Windows 7 starting July 15th and will run until August 14th (or supplies last) to ensure folks don&#226;(TM)t miss out on this. Act fast if you want to be the first in line to get Windows 7 at this screaming deal! Note: The special low pre-order price will vary per country."</p><p>Granted, it's a small window for a bloated Windows, but you have to applaud Microsoft for this.  If you hate Vista and are convinced you want an upgrade, it's only $49.99 if you do in in the next few weeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where 's the part of the summary telling people that they can upgrade for $ 49.99 by pre-ordering ?
" Finally , as a way of saying thank you to our loyal Windows customers , we are excited to introduce a special time limited offer !
We will offer people in select markets the opportunity to pre-order Windows 7 at a more than 50 \ % discount .
In the US , this will mean you can pre-order Windows 7 Home Premium for USD $ 49.99 or Windows 7 Professional for USD $ 99.99 .
You can take advantage of this special offer online via select retail partners such as Best Buy or Amazon , or the online Microsoft Store ( in participating markets ) .This program begins tomorrow in the U.S. , Canada and Japan .
The offer ends July 11th in the U.S. and Canada and on July 5th for Japan or while supplies last .
Customers in the UK , France and Germany , can pre-order their copy of Windows 7 starting July 15th and will run until August 14th ( or supplies last ) to ensure folks don   ( TM ) t miss out on this .
Act fast if you want to be the first in line to get Windows 7 at this screaming deal !
Note : The special low pre-order price will vary per country .
" Granted , it 's a small window for a bloated Windows , but you have to applaud Microsoft for this .
If you hate Vista and are convinced you want an upgrade , it 's only $ 49.99 if you do in in the next few weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where's the part of the summary telling people that they can upgrade for $49.99 by pre-ordering?
"Finally, as a way of saying thank you to our loyal Windows customers, we are excited to introduce a special time limited offer!
We will offer people in select markets the opportunity to pre-order Windows 7 at a more than 50\% discount.
In the US, this will mean you can pre-order Windows 7 Home Premium for USD $49.99 or Windows 7 Professional for USD $99.99.
You can take advantage of this special offer online via select retail partners such as Best Buy or Amazon, or the online Microsoft Store (in participating markets).This program begins tomorrow in the U.S., Canada and Japan.
The offer ends July 11th in the U.S. and Canada and on July 5th for Japan or while supplies last.
Customers in the UK, France and Germany, can pre-order their copy of Windows 7 starting July 15th and will run until August 14th (or supplies last) to ensure folks donâ(TM)t miss out on this.
Act fast if you want to be the first in line to get Windows 7 at this screaming deal!
Note: The special low pre-order price will vary per country.
"Granted, it's a small window for a bloated Windows, but you have to applaud Microsoft for this.
If you hate Vista and are convinced you want an upgrade, it's only $49.99 if you do in in the next few weeks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467791</id>
	<title>So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>ratboy666</author>
	<datestamp>1245951180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have purchased only one copy of Windows(tm) in the last years; XP Professional(tm), and I paid almost $300 for it (all in, after taxes). Yes, I know I was taken for a fool, more on this later.</p><p>Now, I know that OEMs can't possibly be paying anything CLOSE to that, because I can buy a computer now WITH Windows and pay just a bit more than that.</p><p>So, I was led to believe that as a single consumer, I was being ripped off, and the only way to get a reasonable price for Windows was with a new computer. Simple, right?</p><p>Wrong. My wife works as a middle-school teach in the TDSB (Toronto District School Board). They have, what, 40,000 (more?) employees. My wife just got an offer - buy Windows Vista(tm) (Business?) for $21, and Office(tm) for $21. As far as I can tell (from the literature), there don't seem to any resale restrictions. And no "OEM" restrictions. The literature also mentions that the retail price for Office is north of $600.</p><p>How much DO Windows and Office cost? Since only idiots would buy retail Windows or Office (yes, I used to be in that category), the only reason to have ANY "suggested retail price" is to attempt to establish some sort of valuation.</p><p>"It's expensive, it MUST be good",</p><p>but no-one actually pays that price</p><p>"but I got a GREAT deal on the software!".</p><p>And now the suggested retail pricing pops up here, just to help spread the meme.</p><p>Of course, it is possible that the purchase was subsidized by the TDSB, in which case I will be very upset. The TDSB just ok'd the use of OpenOffice, and thus should have no need to spend the money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have purchased only one copy of Windows ( tm ) in the last years ; XP Professional ( tm ) , and I paid almost $ 300 for it ( all in , after taxes ) .
Yes , I know I was taken for a fool , more on this later.Now , I know that OEMs ca n't possibly be paying anything CLOSE to that , because I can buy a computer now WITH Windows and pay just a bit more than that.So , I was led to believe that as a single consumer , I was being ripped off , and the only way to get a reasonable price for Windows was with a new computer .
Simple , right ? Wrong .
My wife works as a middle-school teach in the TDSB ( Toronto District School Board ) .
They have , what , 40,000 ( more ?
) employees .
My wife just got an offer - buy Windows Vista ( tm ) ( Business ?
) for $ 21 , and Office ( tm ) for $ 21 .
As far as I can tell ( from the literature ) , there do n't seem to any resale restrictions .
And no " OEM " restrictions .
The literature also mentions that the retail price for Office is north of $ 600.How much DO Windows and Office cost ?
Since only idiots would buy retail Windows or Office ( yes , I used to be in that category ) , the only reason to have ANY " suggested retail price " is to attempt to establish some sort of valuation .
" It 's expensive , it MUST be good " ,but no-one actually pays that price " but I got a GREAT deal on the software !
" .And now the suggested retail pricing pops up here , just to help spread the meme.Of course , it is possible that the purchase was subsidized by the TDSB , in which case I will be very upset .
The TDSB just ok 'd the use of OpenOffice , and thus should have no need to spend the money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have purchased only one copy of Windows(tm) in the last years; XP Professional(tm), and I paid almost $300 for it (all in, after taxes).
Yes, I know I was taken for a fool, more on this later.Now, I know that OEMs can't possibly be paying anything CLOSE to that, because I can buy a computer now WITH Windows and pay just a bit more than that.So, I was led to believe that as a single consumer, I was being ripped off, and the only way to get a reasonable price for Windows was with a new computer.
Simple, right?Wrong.
My wife works as a middle-school teach in the TDSB (Toronto District School Board).
They have, what, 40,000 (more?
) employees.
My wife just got an offer - buy Windows Vista(tm) (Business?
) for $21, and Office(tm) for $21.
As far as I can tell (from the literature), there don't seem to any resale restrictions.
And no "OEM" restrictions.
The literature also mentions that the retail price for Office is north of $600.How much DO Windows and Office cost?
Since only idiots would buy retail Windows or Office (yes, I used to be in that category), the only reason to have ANY "suggested retail price" is to attempt to establish some sort of valuation.
"It's expensive, it MUST be good",but no-one actually pays that price"but I got a GREAT deal on the software!
".And now the suggested retail pricing pops up here, just to help spread the meme.Of course, it is possible that the purchase was subsidized by the TDSB, in which case I will be very upset.
The TDSB just ok'd the use of OpenOffice, and thus should have no need to spend the money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468379</id>
	<title>Re:Editions</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245953340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should just have one edition.</p><p>I do not understand why the extra cost of ahving many editions outways the cost of one edition. When you consider thay all come from the same base code, the cost to write that code is sunkm, plus the adition boxing, manufacturing, markets and support costs.</p><p>"Windows 7 - one version for all peoples needs. MS, making your life easier."</p><p>then sell the damn thing for 99 bucks.</p><p>One of the big goals on windows 7 is too make it attractive enough in features, performance and cost to get people to leave XP in droves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should just have one edition.I do not understand why the extra cost of ahving many editions outways the cost of one edition .
When you consider thay all come from the same base code , the cost to write that code is sunkm , plus the adition boxing , manufacturing , markets and support costs .
" Windows 7 - one version for all peoples needs .
MS , making your life easier .
" then sell the damn thing for 99 bucks.One of the big goals on windows 7 is too make it attractive enough in features , performance and cost to get people to leave XP in droves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should just have one edition.I do not understand why the extra cost of ahving many editions outways the cost of one edition.
When you consider thay all come from the same base code, the cost to write that code is sunkm, plus the adition boxing, manufacturing, markets and support costs.
"Windows 7 - one version for all peoples needs.
MS, making your life easier.
"then sell the damn thing for 99 bucks.One of the big goals on windows 7 is too make it attractive enough in features, performance and cost to get people to leave XP in droves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468085</id>
	<title>PC games cost $159.96</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1245952260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Games should never cost more than $50.</p></div><p>Then why does a PC game for four players cost $159.96 plus shipping and tax? In other words, why does a PC game require that each player use a separate copy? And why does a year of World of Warcraft or many other MMORPGs cost well over $100?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Games should never cost more than $ 50.Then why does a PC game for four players cost $ 159.96 plus shipping and tax ?
In other words , why does a PC game require that each player use a separate copy ?
And why does a year of World of Warcraft or many other MMORPGs cost well over $ 100 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Games should never cost more than $50.Then why does a PC game for four players cost $159.96 plus shipping and tax?
In other words, why does a PC game require that each player use a separate copy?
And why does a year of World of Warcraft or many other MMORPGs cost well over $100?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467811</id>
	<title>Upgrade pricing should be permanent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245951240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's too bad the 50\% discount on upgrade pricing only lasts until July 11. $50 for an upgrade copy of Win7 seems workable.

My problem is the odd division of features between versions. For example, Home Premium does not include a remote desktop server (client yes), but Windows Homer Server has the ability to remote into client computers. How dumb is it that Home Premium does not allow a remote desktop connection from Home Server? Hello, "Home!".</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's too bad the 50 \ % discount on upgrade pricing only lasts until July 11 .
$ 50 for an upgrade copy of Win7 seems workable .
My problem is the odd division of features between versions .
For example , Home Premium does not include a remote desktop server ( client yes ) , but Windows Homer Server has the ability to remote into client computers .
How dumb is it that Home Premium does not allow a remote desktop connection from Home Server ?
Hello , " Home !
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's too bad the 50\% discount on upgrade pricing only lasts until July 11.
$50 for an upgrade copy of Win7 seems workable.
My problem is the odd division of features between versions.
For example, Home Premium does not include a remote desktop server (client yes), but Windows Homer Server has the ability to remote into client computers.
How dumb is it that Home Premium does not allow a remote desktop connection from Home Server?
Hello, "Home!
".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468447</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Xarin</author>
	<datestamp>1245953640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I thought Windows was freeware... None of the torrent sites ever asked for payment.</p></div><p>Freeware or malware?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Windows was freeware... None of the torrent sites ever asked for payment.Freeware or malware ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Windows was freeware... None of the torrent sites ever asked for payment.Freeware or malware?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469869</id>
	<title>Re:So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1245958860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe the $20 is a media fee, the fee charged to cover the processing and media.  IIRC, at lest back when I was in academic, the campus license for MS products covered  not only the machines on campus, but also employee and student personal machines.  This allowed employees to take work home and students to learn how to use the software.  It was actually quite lucrative. While one could argue that Linux is a better deal than MS since with MS you have to pay for all this other stuff, with the MS licensing the way it is, MS becomes the better deal because the application are free.  In fact this has been pretty constant through most of my career.  MS has won by shifting all computing costs to the employer.  I wonder why employers do not complain about this practice they way they complain about health care.
<p>
In any case, I think MS has it set up so that each user has to buy the OS, which is why MS hate naked PCs.  For each naked PC they lose revenue, revenue that is often a result of a duplicated charge.  The PC industry is based on people buying new computers, not upgrading the OS, which is why the retail cost of the OS must be as high as possible, while the applications must be as low as possible, at least as seen by the consumer.
</p><p>
In fact, I believe, employee can install a copy of most MS products on their personal machine.  Even more interesting, I recently read where Sutodesk was allowing customers to do the same thing, install Autodesk Software on non-corporate machines with a site license.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the $ 20 is a media fee , the fee charged to cover the processing and media .
IIRC , at lest back when I was in academic , the campus license for MS products covered not only the machines on campus , but also employee and student personal machines .
This allowed employees to take work home and students to learn how to use the software .
It was actually quite lucrative .
While one could argue that Linux is a better deal than MS since with MS you have to pay for all this other stuff , with the MS licensing the way it is , MS becomes the better deal because the application are free .
In fact this has been pretty constant through most of my career .
MS has won by shifting all computing costs to the employer .
I wonder why employers do not complain about this practice they way they complain about health care .
In any case , I think MS has it set up so that each user has to buy the OS , which is why MS hate naked PCs .
For each naked PC they lose revenue , revenue that is often a result of a duplicated charge .
The PC industry is based on people buying new computers , not upgrading the OS , which is why the retail cost of the OS must be as high as possible , while the applications must be as low as possible , at least as seen by the consumer .
In fact , I believe , employee can install a copy of most MS products on their personal machine .
Even more interesting , I recently read where Sutodesk was allowing customers to do the same thing , install Autodesk Software on non-corporate machines with a site license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe the $20 is a media fee, the fee charged to cover the processing and media.
IIRC, at lest back when I was in academic, the campus license for MS products covered  not only the machines on campus, but also employee and student personal machines.
This allowed employees to take work home and students to learn how to use the software.
It was actually quite lucrative.
While one could argue that Linux is a better deal than MS since with MS you have to pay for all this other stuff, with the MS licensing the way it is, MS becomes the better deal because the application are free.
In fact this has been pretty constant through most of my career.
MS has won by shifting all computing costs to the employer.
I wonder why employers do not complain about this practice they way they complain about health care.
In any case, I think MS has it set up so that each user has to buy the OS, which is why MS hate naked PCs.
For each naked PC they lose revenue, revenue that is often a result of a duplicated charge.
The PC industry is based on people buying new computers, not upgrading the OS, which is why the retail cost of the OS must be as high as possible, while the applications must be as low as possible, at least as seen by the consumer.
In fact, I believe, employee can install a copy of most MS products on their personal machine.
Even more interesting, I recently read where Sutodesk was allowing customers to do the same thing, install Autodesk Software on non-corporate machines with a site license.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28476025</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245940500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think most people here agree with that, their point is that it should be cheaper cuz they paid a lot for Vista and to them it was crap.</p><p>Apple isn't helping here, specially since the upgrade price for Snow Leopard is around $30 and a family pack is around $50 and there is another version that sells for $170 if you don't have Leopard, but it also includes the latest versions iWork and iLife.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think most people here agree with that , their point is that it should be cheaper cuz they paid a lot for Vista and to them it was crap.Apple is n't helping here , specially since the upgrade price for Snow Leopard is around $ 30 and a family pack is around $ 50 and there is another version that sells for $ 170 if you do n't have Leopard , but it also includes the latest versions iWork and iLife .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think most people here agree with that, their point is that it should be cheaper cuz they paid a lot for Vista and to them it was crap.Apple isn't helping here, specially since the upgrade price for Snow Leopard is around $30 and a family pack is around $50 and there is another version that sells for $170 if you don't have Leopard, but it also includes the latest versions iWork and iLife.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470749</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245962460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, but this is slashdot.  Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure.  Get out of the 90's.</p></div><p>That's not slashdot, that's the real world.  It just stands out more to people that are used to using oses that are efficient, stable, and secure.  Particularly when said oses cost significantly less, if they cost anything at all.</p><p>As far as getting out of the 90's, of the 3 consumer oses that MS has released since 2000 (me, xp, and vista), only xp has been worth a shit.  Vista was dissapointing on such a level that you can still purchase pcs with xp preinstalled instead.  So please forgive us our skepticism when 2/3rds of the oses they've released for consumers in the last decade have been downgrades from previous versions, while costing upwards of twice as much as their competitors if bought on their own.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , but this is slashdot .
Anything Microsoft = bloat , crashes , unsecure .
Get out of the 90 's.That 's not slashdot , that 's the real world .
It just stands out more to people that are used to using oses that are efficient , stable , and secure .
Particularly when said oses cost significantly less , if they cost anything at all.As far as getting out of the 90 's , of the 3 consumer oses that MS has released since 2000 ( me , xp , and vista ) , only xp has been worth a shit .
Vista was dissapointing on such a level that you can still purchase pcs with xp preinstalled instead .
So please forgive us our skepticism when 2/3rds of the oses they 've released for consumers in the last decade have been downgrades from previous versions , while costing upwards of twice as much as their competitors if bought on their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, but this is slashdot.
Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure.
Get out of the 90's.That's not slashdot, that's the real world.
It just stands out more to people that are used to using oses that are efficient, stable, and secure.
Particularly when said oses cost significantly less, if they cost anything at all.As far as getting out of the 90's, of the 3 consumer oses that MS has released since 2000 (me, xp, and vista), only xp has been worth a shit.
Vista was dissapointing on such a level that you can still purchase pcs with xp preinstalled instead.
So please forgive us our skepticism when 2/3rds of the oses they've released for consumers in the last decade have been downgrades from previous versions, while costing upwards of twice as much as their competitors if bought on their own.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467109</id>
	<title>Editions</title>
	<author>sleekware</author>
	<datestamp>1245948540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm glad that with Windows 7 Microsoft mostly reverted back to the kind of editions they marketed Windows XP with. It's now much more clear which one to buy when it is distinguised by Home and Professional, then Ultimate for the power user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad that with Windows 7 Microsoft mostly reverted back to the kind of editions they marketed Windows XP with .
It 's now much more clear which one to buy when it is distinguised by Home and Professional , then Ultimate for the power user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad that with Windows 7 Microsoft mostly reverted back to the kind of editions they marketed Windows XP with.
It's now much more clear which one to buy when it is distinguised by Home and Professional, then Ultimate for the power user.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467325</id>
	<title>Re:More importantly...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since Windows 7 comes with "XP mode" for compatibility, I'd say that yes you can.<br> <br>
I'll stick with Ubuntu and run a virtual XP for all the "windows only" things I need to do thank-you-very-much.  <br> <br>
Seriously, Vista and Windows 7 pricing are such a joke.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since Windows 7 comes with " XP mode " for compatibility , I 'd say that yes you can .
I 'll stick with Ubuntu and run a virtual XP for all the " windows only " things I need to do thank-you-very-much .
Seriously , Vista and Windows 7 pricing are such a joke .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since Windows 7 comes with "XP mode" for compatibility, I'd say that yes you can.
I'll stick with Ubuntu and run a virtual XP for all the "windows only" things I need to do thank-you-very-much.
Seriously, Vista and Windows 7 pricing are such a joke.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467743</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1245951000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Comfort"? Microsoft prints money, Apple does the hard work of building computers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Comfort " ?
Microsoft prints money , Apple does the hard work of building computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Comfort"?
Microsoft prints money, Apple does the hard work of building computers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467221</id>
	<title>Wow, $319US!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>$319 United States dollars for the opportunity to have my computer assimilated by a botnet? I think I'll stick with Ubuntu for free.  I've also just realized that Windows Vista is much more difficult to administer than Linux has become so if you want simple and easy to manage, it's now Linux not Windows.</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 319 United States dollars for the opportunity to have my computer assimilated by a botnet ?
I think I 'll stick with Ubuntu for free .
I 've also just realized that Windows Vista is much more difficult to administer than Linux has become so if you want simple and easy to manage , it 's now Linux not Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$319 United States dollars for the opportunity to have my computer assimilated by a botnet?
I think I'll stick with Ubuntu for free.
I've also just realized that Windows Vista is much more difficult to administer than Linux has become so if you want simple and easy to manage, it's now Linux not Windows.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28483663</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246034820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Abandonware - no one has been maintaining it properly for years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Abandonware - no one has been maintaining it properly for years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Abandonware - no one has been maintaining it properly for years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467163</id>
	<title>Preordering it is cheaper starting tomorrow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245948720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think starting June 26, you can preorder the upgrades for a lot cheaper.

$50 for a Home upgrade and $100 for a Pro upgrade.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think starting June 26 , you can preorder the upgrades for a lot cheaper .
$ 50 for a Home upgrade and $ 100 for a Pro upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think starting June 26, you can preorder the upgrades for a lot cheaper.
$50 for a Home upgrade and $100 for a Pro upgrade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471527</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone actually buy windows?</title>
	<author>rnelsonee</author>
	<datestamp>1245921780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nearly everyone pays for Windows... I remember when I was jaded too (in college) and thought a lot of people pirated Windows. But it's more like <a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39284449,00.htm" title="zdnet.co.uk">just 12\%</a> [zdnet.co.uk], almost all of which are younger people, especially college students.</p><p>As you pointed out, it comes pre-loaded on machines, so that's how a lot of people get it. But it's not like they're suckers, nor are the people who actually pay for new versions and upgrades.</p><p>I buy Windows, and I also paid for Office 2007 Ultimate. Yeah, I could have torrented it, but you know what? Being able to write my term papers without worrying about new updates or WGA routes disabling features in either my OS or my document-writing program of choice. I know that I have the most up-to-date software, with no hassle, no registry hacks, and no waiting around for hacking updates.</p><p>Then of course there's businesses. They nearly always buy their OSes for obvious reasons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nearly everyone pays for Windows... I remember when I was jaded too ( in college ) and thought a lot of people pirated Windows .
But it 's more like just 12 \ % [ zdnet.co.uk ] , almost all of which are younger people , especially college students.As you pointed out , it comes pre-loaded on machines , so that 's how a lot of people get it .
But it 's not like they 're suckers , nor are the people who actually pay for new versions and upgrades.I buy Windows , and I also paid for Office 2007 Ultimate .
Yeah , I could have torrented it , but you know what ?
Being able to write my term papers without worrying about new updates or WGA routes disabling features in either my OS or my document-writing program of choice .
I know that I have the most up-to-date software , with no hassle , no registry hacks , and no waiting around for hacking updates.Then of course there 's businesses .
They nearly always buy their OSes for obvious reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nearly everyone pays for Windows... I remember when I was jaded too (in college) and thought a lot of people pirated Windows.
But it's more like just 12\% [zdnet.co.uk], almost all of which are younger people, especially college students.As you pointed out, it comes pre-loaded on machines, so that's how a lot of people get it.
But it's not like they're suckers, nor are the people who actually pay for new versions and upgrades.I buy Windows, and I also paid for Office 2007 Ultimate.
Yeah, I could have torrented it, but you know what?
Being able to write my term papers without worrying about new updates or WGA routes disabling features in either my OS or my document-writing program of choice.
I know that I have the most up-to-date software, with no hassle, no registry hacks, and no waiting around for hacking updates.Then of course there's businesses.
They nearly always buy their OSes for obvious reasons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468931</id>
	<title>Did You Say Free?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245955320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860\_3-10272703-56.html" title="cnet.com" rel="nofollow">http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860\_3-10272703-56.html</a> [cnet.com]</p><p>Did you say it shoud be free? You even got the "Vista Ultimate" bit right. Microsoft must be reading messages here on Slashdot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //news.cnet.com/8301-13860 \ _3-10272703-56.html [ cnet.com ] Did you say it shoud be free ?
You even got the " Vista Ultimate " bit right .
Microsoft must be reading messages here on Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860\_3-10272703-56.html [cnet.com]Did you say it shoud be free?
You even got the "Vista Ultimate" bit right.
Microsoft must be reading messages here on Slashdot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467349</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>MoOsEb0y</author>
	<datestamp>1245949440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, and if I could buy snow leopard for my PC, I might actually consider it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and if I could buy snow leopard for my PC , I might actually consider it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and if I could buy snow leopard for my PC, I might actually consider it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467859</id>
	<title>The upgrade price should be lower</title>
	<author>Radical Moderate</author>
	<datestamp>1245951420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Honestly, Vista was pretty much just a beta for 7, asking people to pay $119+ to upgrade an OS that shouldn't have been released is an insult.  I'm not an MS hater, I'm running 7 and like it pretty well so far.  Did my best to like Vista but went back to XP after a few months.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly , Vista was pretty much just a beta for 7 , asking people to pay $ 119 + to upgrade an OS that should n't have been released is an insult .
I 'm not an MS hater , I 'm running 7 and like it pretty well so far .
Did my best to like Vista but went back to XP after a few months .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly, Vista was pretty much just a beta for 7, asking people to pay $119+ to upgrade an OS that shouldn't have been released is an insult.
I'm not an MS hater, I'm running 7 and like it pretty well so far.
Did my best to like Vista but went back to XP after a few months.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467415</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>robbiethefett</author>
	<datestamp>1245949740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if 1 in 500 PCs has a boxed copy of an OS and the other 499 have pre-installed versions, why would the OS maker care in the slightest about "competitive pricing?"
<br> <br>
what competition? apple? *nix? laughable.  There is no competition and the consumer has no choice.  if it was $5 or $500 there would be an 80\% market share.  I'm running a pirated copy of XP right now because my legit version that i payed for (in a box, btw) was installed on this same machine more than the allowed 3 times in the past 7 or so years.  I refuse to call an 800 number and have some jerkoff ask me to explain myself in order to use the product i purchased years ago.  The funny part is, once I (fairly painlessly) removed all the backdoors and keyloggers, etc from this installation of xp, it runs WAY better than the boxed version.  Pirated versions often come with all the most annoying bloated shit stripped out, as well as changing up some settings to a more sane configuration.
<br> <br>
So i guess there is a choice for the consumer after all.. either buy MS or pirate MS.  I suggest pirating it, it usually works better.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if 1 in 500 PCs has a boxed copy of an OS and the other 499 have pre-installed versions , why would the OS maker care in the slightest about " competitive pricing ?
" what competition ?
apple ? * nix ?
laughable. There is no competition and the consumer has no choice .
if it was $ 5 or $ 500 there would be an 80 \ % market share .
I 'm running a pirated copy of XP right now because my legit version that i payed for ( in a box , btw ) was installed on this same machine more than the allowed 3 times in the past 7 or so years .
I refuse to call an 800 number and have some jerkoff ask me to explain myself in order to use the product i purchased years ago .
The funny part is , once I ( fairly painlessly ) removed all the backdoors and keyloggers , etc from this installation of xp , it runs WAY better than the boxed version .
Pirated versions often come with all the most annoying bloated shit stripped out , as well as changing up some settings to a more sane configuration .
So i guess there is a choice for the consumer after all.. either buy MS or pirate MS. I suggest pirating it , it usually works better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if 1 in 500 PCs has a boxed copy of an OS and the other 499 have pre-installed versions, why would the OS maker care in the slightest about "competitive pricing?
"
 
what competition?
apple? *nix?
laughable.  There is no competition and the consumer has no choice.
if it was $5 or $500 there would be an 80\% market share.
I'm running a pirated copy of XP right now because my legit version that i payed for (in a box, btw) was installed on this same machine more than the allowed 3 times in the past 7 or so years.
I refuse to call an 800 number and have some jerkoff ask me to explain myself in order to use the product i purchased years ago.
The funny part is, once I (fairly painlessly) removed all the backdoors and keyloggers, etc from this installation of xp, it runs WAY better than the boxed version.
Pirated versions often come with all the most annoying bloated shit stripped out, as well as changing up some settings to a more sane configuration.
So i guess there is a choice for the consumer after all.. either buy MS or pirate MS.  I suggest pirating it, it usually works better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28478553</id>
	<title>Fucking scam</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246047360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...while supplies last." - I must have woken up in bizzaro world today. These are digital bits and bobs(tm) - where the HELL is the restriction on supplies coming from, not from a limit on natural resources of any kind that I can see. It's a just a frenzy-inducing marketing line. Quick - TWO for the price of THREE - for a limited time only !!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...while supplies last .
" - I must have woken up in bizzaro world today .
These are digital bits and bobs ( tm ) - where the HELL is the restriction on supplies coming from , not from a limit on natural resources of any kind that I can see .
It 's a just a frenzy-inducing marketing line .
Quick - TWO for the price of THREE - for a limited time only ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...while supplies last.
" - I must have woken up in bizzaro world today.
These are digital bits and bobs(tm) - where the HELL is the restriction on supplies coming from, not from a limit on natural resources of any kind that I can see.
It's a just a frenzy-inducing marketing line.
Quick - TWO for the price of THREE - for a limited time only !!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467095</id>
	<title>How....</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1245948480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>How does MS think this pricing is competitive in the least? Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $30 for upgrades while 7 costs $120?!!?! Really, MS needs to learn that those who actually buy their products in-box (not from OEMs) are going to be people who are their valuable customers who are going to have a lot of influence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How does MS think this pricing is competitive in the least ?
Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $ 30 for upgrades while 7 costs $ 120 ? ! ! ? !
Really , MS needs to learn that those who actually buy their products in-box ( not from OEMs ) are going to be people who are their valuable customers who are going to have a lot of influence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does MS think this pricing is competitive in the least?
Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $30 for upgrades while 7 costs $120?!!?!
Really, MS needs to learn that those who actually buy their products in-box (not from OEMs) are going to be people who are their valuable customers who are going to have a lot of influence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470997</id>
	<title>$299 Is Not Enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245963300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft will have to pony up more than $299 to get me to install Windows 7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft will have to pony up more than $ 299 to get me to install Windows 7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft will have to pony up more than $299 to get me to install Windows 7.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468637</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>greenbird</author>
	<datestamp>1245954180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How many of you zealots have actually used the W7 release candidate?</p></div><p>You know, I haven't seen one post, or for that mater any articles in the press, touting all these new better features that I'm supposed to be paying $120 dollars for. As far as I can see, the marketing for it has been it fixes all the screwups in Vista. Strangely, every new version of Ubuntu, which is on a fixed 6 month release schedule, compared to Microsoft's maybe every couple years (if you include service packs that add significant features like Microsoft's genuine advantage), includes a list of new and improved features. Some are rather esoteric and somewhat arcane to the average user but they are there none the less. What compelling new features does Windows 7 have that should compel someone to shell out $120 dollars for it?</p><p>But, I know, I know, we zealots shouldn't actually be looking for value in spending our hard earned money. We should just be giving our money to Billy Boy simple because he's deemed to give us another of his infinity superior products.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How many of you zealots have actually used the W7 release candidate ? You know , I have n't seen one post , or for that mater any articles in the press , touting all these new better features that I 'm supposed to be paying $ 120 dollars for .
As far as I can see , the marketing for it has been it fixes all the screwups in Vista .
Strangely , every new version of Ubuntu , which is on a fixed 6 month release schedule , compared to Microsoft 's maybe every couple years ( if you include service packs that add significant features like Microsoft 's genuine advantage ) , includes a list of new and improved features .
Some are rather esoteric and somewhat arcane to the average user but they are there none the less .
What compelling new features does Windows 7 have that should compel someone to shell out $ 120 dollars for it ? But , I know , I know , we zealots should n't actually be looking for value in spending our hard earned money .
We should just be giving our money to Billy Boy simple because he 's deemed to give us another of his infinity superior products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many of you zealots have actually used the W7 release candidate?You know, I haven't seen one post, or for that mater any articles in the press, touting all these new better features that I'm supposed to be paying $120 dollars for.
As far as I can see, the marketing for it has been it fixes all the screwups in Vista.
Strangely, every new version of Ubuntu, which is on a fixed 6 month release schedule, compared to Microsoft's maybe every couple years (if you include service packs that add significant features like Microsoft's genuine advantage), includes a list of new and improved features.
Some are rather esoteric and somewhat arcane to the average user but they are there none the less.
What compelling new features does Windows 7 have that should compel someone to shell out $120 dollars for it?But, I know, I know, we zealots shouldn't actually be looking for value in spending our hard earned money.
We should just be giving our money to Billy Boy simple because he's deemed to give us another of his infinity superior products.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469033</id>
	<title>Re:IMO...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245955680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, and caramels should never cost more than 5 cents!  It's unfair to charge more.</p><p>(hint: your opinion is part of what helps set prices in a capitalist economy but you're only one person and many others are willing to pay more)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , and caramels should never cost more than 5 cents !
It 's unfair to charge more .
( hint : your opinion is part of what helps set prices in a capitalist economy but you 're only one person and many others are willing to pay more )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, and caramels should never cost more than 5 cents!
It's unfair to charge more.
(hint: your opinion is part of what helps set prices in a capitalist economy but you're only one person and many others are willing to pay more)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28486075</id>
	<title>Linux...</title>
	<author>programmer780</author>
	<datestamp>1246044000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well that brings my count of reasons to switch to GNU/Linux to <i>about</i> 1,000</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well that brings my count of reasons to switch to GNU/Linux to about 1,000</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well that brings my count of reasons to switch to GNU/Linux to about 1,000</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467959</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Bakkster</author>
	<datestamp>1245951720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $30 [...]</i>
</p><p>...If you already have 10.5.</p></div><p>And there was roughly the same pricing structure for every incremental release.  Upgrading from Vista to Vista SP1 to Vista SP2 to 7 should still be cheaper than from OS X to 10.2 to 10.2 to 10.3 to 10.4 to 10.5.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $ 30 [ ... ] ...If you already have 10.5.And there was roughly the same pricing structure for every incremental release .
Upgrading from Vista to Vista SP1 to Vista SP2 to 7 should still be cheaper than from OS X to 10.2 to 10.2 to 10.3 to 10.4 to 10.5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $30 [...]
...If you already have 10.5.And there was roughly the same pricing structure for every incremental release.
Upgrading from Vista to Vista SP1 to Vista SP2 to 7 should still be cheaper than from OS X to 10.2 to 10.2 to 10.3 to 10.4 to 10.5.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28476713</id>
	<title>I wouldnt mind paying</title>
	<author>saur2004</author>
	<datestamp>1245945300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I quite seriously would not mind shelling out 299 for the full professional if it weren't for that pesky little thing in my head called morals.<p>
It is morally reprehensible that INTEL was literally crucified when they came up with the idea of a processor ID and yet Microsoft gets away, fairly unscathed when they implement a hash of hardware data as part of WPA. To me, there is zero difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I quite seriously would not mind shelling out 299 for the full professional if it were n't for that pesky little thing in my head called morals .
It is morally reprehensible that INTEL was literally crucified when they came up with the idea of a processor ID and yet Microsoft gets away , fairly unscathed when they implement a hash of hardware data as part of WPA .
To me , there is zero difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I quite seriously would not mind shelling out 299 for the full professional if it weren't for that pesky little thing in my head called morals.
It is morally reprehensible that INTEL was literally crucified when they came up with the idea of a processor ID and yet Microsoft gets away, fairly unscathed when they implement a hash of hardware data as part of WPA.
To me, there is zero difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467439</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have an IntelliMouse, you insensitive clod!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have an IntelliMouse , you insensitive clod !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have an IntelliMouse, you insensitive clod!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469611</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>tabdelgawad</author>
	<datestamp>1245957900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since Apple also sells (and marks up) its own hardware, they get to distribute their margins however they like between hardware and software.  Microsoft doesn't have that degree of freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since Apple also sells ( and marks up ) its own hardware , they get to distribute their margins however they like between hardware and software .
Microsoft does n't have that degree of freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since Apple also sells (and marks up) its own hardware, they get to distribute their margins however they like between hardware and software.
Microsoft doesn't have that degree of freedom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469181</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1245956160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure if that argument has ever made sense.  There have been so many changes to consumer operating systems over the years that "being able to deal with change" is more-or-less a prerequisite for anyone using computers for any length of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure if that argument has ever made sense .
There have been so many changes to consumer operating systems over the years that " being able to deal with change " is more-or-less a prerequisite for anyone using computers for any length of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure if that argument has ever made sense.
There have been so many changes to consumer operating systems over the years that "being able to deal with change" is more-or-less a prerequisite for anyone using computers for any length of time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467251</id>
	<title>Wow!  Microsoft you really dont have a clue do ya?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Goin for the $200 price point after that last pile of shit you tried to sell us?  And in this economy.  You must be crazy..</p><p>$200 for some software that by itself wont do a god dammed thing for you.  still gotta buy all the stuff to run on it.</p><p>And these are the prices for people who already have some sort of OS working on their system.  Not the bundled with their brand new dell price..  The price you expect people to pay to upgrade their already working computer to the latest greatest?   $200... really?</p><p>Home premium should start at $100.  And the ultimate wizbang got everydammthingincluded should be a MAX of $200s</p><p>s<br>Look.  after all these years its pretty obvious you guys at microsoft dont have a clue at all about what to do and how to make things work.   I suggest you HIRE SOMEONE WITH A CLUE.   Any geek off the street could do a better job these days.  And hey. theres alot of them laid off right now.   SO get out there.  get you a clue!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Goin for the $ 200 price point after that last pile of shit you tried to sell us ?
And in this economy .
You must be crazy.. $ 200 for some software that by itself wont do a god dammed thing for you .
still got ta buy all the stuff to run on it.And these are the prices for people who already have some sort of OS working on their system .
Not the bundled with their brand new dell price.. The price you expect people to pay to upgrade their already working computer to the latest greatest ?
$ 200... really ? Home premium should start at $ 100 .
And the ultimate wizbang got everydammthingincluded should be a MAX of $ 200ssLook .
after all these years its pretty obvious you guys at microsoft dont have a clue at all about what to do and how to make things work .
I suggest you HIRE SOMEONE WITH A CLUE .
Any geek off the street could do a better job these days .
And hey .
theres alot of them laid off right now .
SO get out there .
get you a clue !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Goin for the $200 price point after that last pile of shit you tried to sell us?
And in this economy.
You must be crazy..$200 for some software that by itself wont do a god dammed thing for you.
still gotta buy all the stuff to run on it.And these are the prices for people who already have some sort of OS working on their system.
Not the bundled with their brand new dell price..  The price you expect people to pay to upgrade their already working computer to the latest greatest?
$200... really?Home premium should start at $100.
And the ultimate wizbang got everydammthingincluded should be a MAX of $200ssLook.
after all these years its pretty obvious you guys at microsoft dont have a clue at all about what to do and how to make things work.
I suggest you HIRE SOMEONE WITH A CLUE.
Any geek off the street could do a better job these days.
And hey.
theres alot of them laid off right now.
SO get out there.
get you a clue!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468473</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>billcopc</author>
	<datestamp>1245953700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While it's no secret that Apple's markup on hardware upgrades is excessive, you're comparing apples to oranges.  Those 4gb sticks for your Mac Pro are FB-DIMMs, while the ram you most likely saw at NewEgg is DDR2-SDRAM.  The former is "server" memory, not unlike the "Registered SDRAM" of days gone by.  It is significantly more expensive than regular desktop memory due to the higher density and the fact that they have a built-in serial controller.  Right now, it's the only way to get more than 16gb of memory on a board, because regular memory modules are quite demanding on the motherboard's controller, while FB-DIMMs provide their own "smart" interface.</p><p>The differences don't matter to regular users, and likely not for servers either, but checklist-marketing aside the product is more expensive from the get-go.</p><p>If you were upgrading a PC with the same motherboard chipset as your Mac Pro, you would likely be spending upwards of $4000 for that same ram.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While it 's no secret that Apple 's markup on hardware upgrades is excessive , you 're comparing apples to oranges .
Those 4gb sticks for your Mac Pro are FB-DIMMs , while the ram you most likely saw at NewEgg is DDR2-SDRAM .
The former is " server " memory , not unlike the " Registered SDRAM " of days gone by .
It is significantly more expensive than regular desktop memory due to the higher density and the fact that they have a built-in serial controller .
Right now , it 's the only way to get more than 16gb of memory on a board , because regular memory modules are quite demanding on the motherboard 's controller , while FB-DIMMs provide their own " smart " interface.The differences do n't matter to regular users , and likely not for servers either , but checklist-marketing aside the product is more expensive from the get-go.If you were upgrading a PC with the same motherboard chipset as your Mac Pro , you would likely be spending upwards of $ 4000 for that same ram .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While it's no secret that Apple's markup on hardware upgrades is excessive, you're comparing apples to oranges.
Those 4gb sticks for your Mac Pro are FB-DIMMs, while the ram you most likely saw at NewEgg is DDR2-SDRAM.
The former is "server" memory, not unlike the "Registered SDRAM" of days gone by.
It is significantly more expensive than regular desktop memory due to the higher density and the fact that they have a built-in serial controller.
Right now, it's the only way to get more than 16gb of memory on a board, because regular memory modules are quite demanding on the motherboard's controller, while FB-DIMMs provide their own "smart" interface.The differences don't matter to regular users, and likely not for servers either, but checklist-marketing aside the product is more expensive from the get-go.If you were upgrading a PC with the same motherboard chipset as your Mac Pro, you would likely be spending upwards of $4000 for that same ram.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467525</id>
	<title>Re:Can be cheaper if you order before 7-11</title>
	<author>The Moof</author>
	<datestamp>1245950160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So they're offering you a discount if you purchase before any reviews of the OS are released.  Maybe they did learn from Vista...<br> <br>
Also, I was looking at the <a href="http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare-editions" title="microsoft.com">Edition Comparisons</a> [microsoft.com] (curious what was left out of 'Ultimate' since it's not in the discounted upgrade offer).  Does that say you can't choose your language unless you buy Ultimate, or am I just reading that chart incorrectly?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So they 're offering you a discount if you purchase before any reviews of the OS are released .
Maybe they did learn from Vista.. . Also , I was looking at the Edition Comparisons [ microsoft.com ] ( curious what was left out of 'Ultimate ' since it 's not in the discounted upgrade offer ) .
Does that say you ca n't choose your language unless you buy Ultimate , or am I just reading that chart incorrectly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they're offering you a discount if you purchase before any reviews of the OS are released.
Maybe they did learn from Vista... 
Also, I was looking at the Edition Comparisons [microsoft.com] (curious what was left out of 'Ultimate' since it's not in the discounted upgrade offer).
Does that say you can't choose your language unless you buy Ultimate, or am I just reading that chart incorrectly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470605</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245961680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>microsoft has said that anybody that bought vista after a certain date would get a free upgrade to windows 7. check it out, maybe you'll get lucky</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>microsoft has said that anybody that bought vista after a certain date would get a free upgrade to windows 7. check it out , maybe you 'll get lucky</tokentext>
<sentencetext>microsoft has said that anybody that bought vista after a certain date would get a free upgrade to windows 7. check it out, maybe you'll get lucky</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467687</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>jozeph78</author>
	<datestamp>1245950760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeesh... apple is releasing snow leopard for $29 and microsoft is still pricing stuff like this?  When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it.</p></div><p>Sure, you only have to pay twice as much for the non-upgradable hardware to run it. </p><p>

$6100 dollars for 8 4Gb sticks from the apple store (configuring a mac pro). That's about $400 at newegg.</p><p>

It's crap to compare the price of Mac OSX to Windows. I'd gladly pay Vista prices to run OSX on a PC.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeesh... apple is releasing snow leopard for $ 29 and microsoft is still pricing stuff like this ?
When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it.Sure , you only have to pay twice as much for the non-upgradable hardware to run it .
$ 6100 dollars for 8 4Gb sticks from the apple store ( configuring a mac pro ) .
That 's about $ 400 at newegg .
It 's crap to compare the price of Mac OSX to Windows .
I 'd gladly pay Vista prices to run OSX on a PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeesh... apple is releasing snow leopard for $29 and microsoft is still pricing stuff like this?
When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it.Sure, you only have to pay twice as much for the non-upgradable hardware to run it.
$6100 dollars for 8 4Gb sticks from the apple store (configuring a mac pro).
That's about $400 at newegg.
It's crap to compare the price of Mac OSX to Windows.
I'd gladly pay Vista prices to run OSX on a PC.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468043</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>pnewhook</author>
	<datestamp>1245952020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But I really don't feel it is worth price difference.</p></div><p>Well I dont feel any version of Windows is worth the price period.  THe last OS I bought was OS/2 because it worked.  I've never paid a cent for any version of Windows and will not until they make a quality product that stops crashing.
</p><p>Currently running XP Professional SP3.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But I really do n't feel it is worth price difference.Well I dont feel any version of Windows is worth the price period .
THe last OS I bought was OS/2 because it worked .
I 've never paid a cent for any version of Windows and will not until they make a quality product that stops crashing .
Currently running XP Professional SP3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I really don't feel it is worth price difference.Well I dont feel any version of Windows is worth the price period.
THe last OS I bought was OS/2 because it worked.
I've never paid a cent for any version of Windows and will not until they make a quality product that stops crashing.
Currently running XP Professional SP3.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28478345</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245959280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The more reason this sort of bundling should be made illegal. That's the only way to get a level playing field and real competition. Along with a stricter law prohibiting dumping practices. If you're selling a retail version of a product for $100 then flog it for $10 to an OEM, with the main difference the packaging and an installation CD worth a couple of cents, that's dumping in my view. (prices are there just to make a point.</p><p>Consumers are not given a choice and most are not even aware there is one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The more reason this sort of bundling should be made illegal .
That 's the only way to get a level playing field and real competition .
Along with a stricter law prohibiting dumping practices .
If you 're selling a retail version of a product for $ 100 then flog it for $ 10 to an OEM , with the main difference the packaging and an installation CD worth a couple of cents , that 's dumping in my view .
( prices are there just to make a point.Consumers are not given a choice and most are not even aware there is one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The more reason this sort of bundling should be made illegal.
That's the only way to get a level playing field and real competition.
Along with a stricter law prohibiting dumping practices.
If you're selling a retail version of a product for $100 then flog it for $10 to an OEM, with the main difference the packaging and an installation CD worth a couple of cents, that's dumping in my view.
(prices are there just to make a point.Consumers are not given a choice and most are not even aware there is one.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467595</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245950400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are still paying for Windows they just don't realize it because the cost is included in the price of the PC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are still paying for Windows they just do n't realize it because the cost is included in the price of the PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are still paying for Windows they just don't realize it because the cost is included in the price of the PC.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467603</id>
	<title>Re:Time will tell.</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1245950460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We just did a big upgrade (22 workstations), and because of my budget, I couldn't pay for the downgrade rights to XP.  Thus far, Vista hasn't been the pain that I had thought it would be.  Of course, this is a domain environment, so group policies can rescue you from a lot of crap.  I have no intention of putting $200 per workstation to get them up Windows 7 Pro, not at this stage.  In a couple of years that may happen, but until then, it's Vista.</p><p>Heck, by then I may actually have convinced my boss to go to web-based groupware and we'll just kiss Windows goodbye entirely.  After my five month experience with their SAM licensing guys on a crusade to shore up Microsoft's bottom line by finding license non-compliance, I'm seriously looking at a long-term upgrade path *away* from Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We just did a big upgrade ( 22 workstations ) , and because of my budget , I could n't pay for the downgrade rights to XP .
Thus far , Vista has n't been the pain that I had thought it would be .
Of course , this is a domain environment , so group policies can rescue you from a lot of crap .
I have no intention of putting $ 200 per workstation to get them up Windows 7 Pro , not at this stage .
In a couple of years that may happen , but until then , it 's Vista.Heck , by then I may actually have convinced my boss to go to web-based groupware and we 'll just kiss Windows goodbye entirely .
After my five month experience with their SAM licensing guys on a crusade to shore up Microsoft 's bottom line by finding license non-compliance , I 'm seriously looking at a long-term upgrade path * away * from Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We just did a big upgrade (22 workstations), and because of my budget, I couldn't pay for the downgrade rights to XP.
Thus far, Vista hasn't been the pain that I had thought it would be.
Of course, this is a domain environment, so group policies can rescue you from a lot of crap.
I have no intention of putting $200 per workstation to get them up Windows 7 Pro, not at this stage.
In a couple of years that may happen, but until then, it's Vista.Heck, by then I may actually have convinced my boss to go to web-based groupware and we'll just kiss Windows goodbye entirely.
After my five month experience with their SAM licensing guys on a crusade to shore up Microsoft's bottom line by finding license non-compliance, I'm seriously looking at a long-term upgrade path *away* from Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470063</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245959520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, but this is slashdot.  Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure.  Get out of the 90's.</p></div><p>let's see :<br>Vista == 00's<br>ME == 00's</p><p>care to tell us what was so much worse in the 90's or do you want to keep some of this credibility?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , but this is slashdot .
Anything Microsoft = bloat , crashes , unsecure .
Get out of the 90 's.let 's see : Vista = = 00'sME = = 00'scare to tell us what was so much worse in the 90 's or do you want to keep some of this credibility ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, but this is slashdot.
Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure.
Get out of the 90's.let's see :Vista == 00'sME == 00'scare to tell us what was so much worse in the 90's or do you want to keep some of this credibility?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467715</id>
	<title>Do not hate me.</title>
	<author>raijinsetsu</author>
	<datestamp>1245950880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have been using Windows 7 for the last month or so (since it went from beta to RC) and, I have to say that I have liked MOST of the experience so far.<br> <br>
Stability is at least on par with XP (have not had to restart since I finished driver installs). Annoying messages have been minimal - they only appear when I am doing something that should require administrator credentials, such as installing a new application or driver.<br> <br>
Performance... I have no concrete figures but this also seems on par with XP.<br> <br>
The only down-side has been the installation time (hours, even on my beast) and the size of the OS(how <i>DO</i> you fit 20GB of data on a 3GB DVD anyways????).<br> <br>
So, the reason I want Windows 7 is so I can use all of my system's memory without a ramdisk/virtual memory hack and 64-bit support. There is really no other reason to upgrade because everything else seems on par with XP.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have been using Windows 7 for the last month or so ( since it went from beta to RC ) and , I have to say that I have liked MOST of the experience so far .
Stability is at least on par with XP ( have not had to restart since I finished driver installs ) .
Annoying messages have been minimal - they only appear when I am doing something that should require administrator credentials , such as installing a new application or driver .
Performance... I have no concrete figures but this also seems on par with XP .
The only down-side has been the installation time ( hours , even on my beast ) and the size of the OS ( how DO you fit 20GB of data on a 3GB DVD anyways ? ? ? ? ) .
So , the reason I want Windows 7 is so I can use all of my system 's memory without a ramdisk/virtual memory hack and 64-bit support .
There is really no other reason to upgrade because everything else seems on par with XP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have been using Windows 7 for the last month or so (since it went from beta to RC) and, I have to say that I have liked MOST of the experience so far.
Stability is at least on par with XP (have not had to restart since I finished driver installs).
Annoying messages have been minimal - they only appear when I am doing something that should require administrator credentials, such as installing a new application or driver.
Performance... I have no concrete figures but this also seems on par with XP.
The only down-side has been the installation time (hours, even on my beast) and the size of the OS(how DO you fit 20GB of data on a 3GB DVD anyways????).
So, the reason I want Windows 7 is so I can use all of my system's memory without a ramdisk/virtual memory hack and 64-bit support.
There is really no other reason to upgrade because everything else seems on par with XP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470629</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245961800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's probably because most people read the site from work, and have to use a windows PC at their job.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's probably because most people read the site from work , and have to use a windows PC at their job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's probably because most people read the site from work, and have to use a windows PC at their job.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467043</id>
	<title>The answer is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245948240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's too much!</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's too much !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's too much!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28480719</id>
	<title>windows 7 home premium professional ultimate upgra</title>
	<author>rs232</author>
	<datestamp>1246025040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apart from the price what's the difference between 'Windows 7 Home Premium' and 'Windows 7 Ultimate'. Is it a case of taking 'Windows 7 Ultimate' and disabling core functionality and renaming it 'Windows 7 Home Premium', and then charging people more money to subsequently re-enable it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..<br> <br>

<i>Windows 7 Home Premium $199, Windows 7 Home Premium upgrade $119, Windows 7 Professional $299, Windows 7 Professional upgrades $199, Windows 7 Ultimate upgrade $219, Windows 7 Ultimate $319</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apart from the price what 's the difference between 'Windows 7 Home Premium ' and 'Windows 7 Ultimate' .
Is it a case of taking 'Windows 7 Ultimate ' and disabling core functionality and renaming it 'Windows 7 Home Premium ' , and then charging people more money to subsequently re-enable it . . Windows 7 Home Premium $ 199 , Windows 7 Home Premium upgrade $ 119 , Windows 7 Professional $ 299 , Windows 7 Professional upgrades $ 199 , Windows 7 Ultimate upgrade $ 219 , Windows 7 Ultimate $ 319</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apart from the price what's the difference between 'Windows 7 Home Premium' and 'Windows 7 Ultimate'.
Is it a case of taking 'Windows 7 Ultimate' and disabling core functionality and renaming it 'Windows 7 Home Premium', and then charging people more money to subsequently re-enable it .. 

Windows 7 Home Premium $199, Windows 7 Home Premium upgrade $119, Windows 7 Professional $299, Windows 7 Professional upgrades $199, Windows 7 Ultimate upgrade $219, Windows 7 Ultimate $319</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468973</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1245955500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then why can't I buy a PC without Windows at all?  And why do I have to go through six hoops of hell to attempt a refund if I refuse the first boot EULA?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then why ca n't I buy a PC without Windows at all ?
And why do I have to go through six hoops of hell to attempt a refund if I refuse the first boot EULA ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then why can't I buy a PC without Windows at all?
And why do I have to go through six hoops of hell to attempt a refund if I refuse the first boot EULA?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28475093</id>
	<title>Don't trust MD5 either...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245935280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MD5 is <a href="http://www.mscs.dal.ca/~selinger/md5collision/" title="mscs.dal.ca" rel="nofollow">broken</a> [mscs.dal.ca].  There's an <a href="http://th.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/People/lucks/HashCollisions/" title="uni-mannheim.de" rel="nofollow">example</a> [uni-mannheim.de] based on documents and EXEs.</p><p>SHA1 is weakening, but there are no known practical collisions yet, that I know of.  Even so, most Linux distros are now using SHA256 for their ISO sums and binary packages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MD5 is broken [ mscs.dal.ca ] .
There 's an example [ uni-mannheim.de ] based on documents and EXEs.SHA1 is weakening , but there are no known practical collisions yet , that I know of .
Even so , most Linux distros are now using SHA256 for their ISO sums and binary packages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MD5 is broken [mscs.dal.ca].
There's an example [uni-mannheim.de] based on documents and EXEs.SHA1 is weakening, but there are no known practical collisions yet, that I know of.
Even so, most Linux distros are now using SHA256 for their ISO sums and binary packages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28478469</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246046700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought Windows 7 was open source.... None of the torrent sites suggested otherwise...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Windows 7 was open source.... None of the torrent sites suggested otherwise.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Windows 7 was open source.... None of the torrent sites suggested otherwise...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469555</id>
	<title>Re:IMO...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245957660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>An OS should never cost more than $80.</p><p>System Utilities should never cost more than $40.</p><p>Games should never cost more than $50.</p><p>Productivity apps can cost whatever, based on the size of their target market.</p></div><p>Hey, you and my old boss would get along well.  You choose pricing the same way he chooses static buffer sizes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>An OS should never cost more than $ 80.System Utilities should never cost more than $ 40.Games should never cost more than $ 50.Productivity apps can cost whatever , based on the size of their target market.Hey , you and my old boss would get along well .
You choose pricing the same way he chooses static buffer sizes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An OS should never cost more than $80.System Utilities should never cost more than $40.Games should never cost more than $50.Productivity apps can cost whatever, based on the size of their target market.Hey, you and my old boss would get along well.
You choose pricing the same way he chooses static buffer sizes.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470787</id>
	<title>Re:IMO...</title>
	<author>berwiki</author>
	<datestamp>1245962580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>in case someone wants to get smart with me:<br>
<br>
"The median income in 1960 was 5,600":  <a href="http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-036.pdf" title="census.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-036.pdf</a> [census.gov]</htmltext>
<tokenext>in case someone wants to get smart with me : " The median income in 1960 was 5,600 " : http : //www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-036.pdf [ census.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in case someone wants to get smart with me:

"The median income in 1960 was 5,600":  http://www2.census.gov/prod2/popscan/p60-036.pdf [census.gov]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467887</id>
	<title>Re:Wow, $319US!</title>
	<author>AndrewNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1245951540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're stupid enough to think that your Windows installation is going to be automatically assimilated by a botnet (or you're stupid enough to let it happen), then you're probably stupid enough to let it happen on Linux, too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're stupid enough to think that your Windows installation is going to be automatically assimilated by a botnet ( or you 're stupid enough to let it happen ) , then you 're probably stupid enough to let it happen on Linux , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're stupid enough to think that your Windows installation is going to be automatically assimilated by a botnet (or you're stupid enough to let it happen), then you're probably stupid enough to let it happen on Linux, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469987</id>
	<title>Re:Editions</title>
	<author>dogmatixpsych</author>
	<datestamp>1245959280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is this insightful? The parent wasn't bashing Microsoft and slobbering over Apple or UNIX or Linux.<br> <br>
Seriously, their edition simplification is nice, although they do have a Starter Edition too! Of course, why don't they just make one version of their OS like a company I will not name does with their OS?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this insightful ?
The parent was n't bashing Microsoft and slobbering over Apple or UNIX or Linux .
Seriously , their edition simplification is nice , although they do have a Starter Edition too !
Of course , why do n't they just make one version of their OS like a company I will not name does with their OS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this insightful?
The parent wasn't bashing Microsoft and slobbering over Apple or UNIX or Linux.
Seriously, their edition simplification is nice, although they do have a Starter Edition too!
Of course, why don't they just make one version of their OS like a company I will not name does with their OS?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468529</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>benwaggoner</author>
	<datestamp>1245953880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.</p></div><p>"Benefits" are a subjective concept, but the actual content is easy to find.</p><p>Control Panel &gt; Secuirty &gt; Windows Update</p><p>There will be a blue box listing any available Windows Ultimate Extras you don't have installed there.</p><p>IIRC, there's Dream Scene (animated backgrounds) and a bunch of content packs, extra Sound Schemes, and the Hold Em Poker and Tinker games.  Tinker is pretty cool.</p><p>The biggest benefits are having both domain support and Media Center, some Bitlocker stuff, and being able to have lots of languages to switch Windows between.</p><p>Since I demo media playback on my work laptop, Domain + Media Center was the critical reason for me to have Ultimate.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised .
" Benefits " are a subjective concept , but the actual content is easy to find.Control Panel &gt; Secuirty &gt; Windows UpdateThere will be a blue box listing any available Windows Ultimate Extras you do n't have installed there.IIRC , there 's Dream Scene ( animated backgrounds ) and a bunch of content packs , extra Sound Schemes , and the Hold Em Poker and Tinker games .
Tinker is pretty cool.The biggest benefits are having both domain support and Media Center , some Bitlocker stuff , and being able to have lots of languages to switch Windows between.Since I demo media playback on my work laptop , Domain + Media Center was the critical reason for me to have Ultimate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.
"Benefits" are a subjective concept, but the actual content is easy to find.Control Panel &gt; Secuirty &gt; Windows UpdateThere will be a blue box listing any available Windows Ultimate Extras you don't have installed there.IIRC, there's Dream Scene (animated backgrounds) and a bunch of content packs, extra Sound Schemes, and the Hold Em Poker and Tinker games.
Tinker is pretty cool.The biggest benefits are having both domain support and Media Center, some Bitlocker stuff, and being able to have lots of languages to switch Windows between.Since I demo media playback on my work laptop, Domain + Media Center was the critical reason for me to have Ultimate.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468267</id>
	<title>Re:Time will tell.</title>
	<author>lawnboy5-O</author>
	<datestamp>1245952860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It took XP 3 years to get decent - and i love my XP 64 build finally!!.  Win 2000 less time.  but your point is exposed - its always been average and a struggle (always!!) - what's the point at all?  even if Win7 turns out to be good - really good - whats the point? after 15 years+ they finally got it! yeah!!   to bad I have been happily in UNIX and Mac OS for over 25 years.

what are all you people clamoring about? its junk - it always has been and always will be.  now, I use junk, and sometime happily roll around it.  but lets get real and with some perspective. Ford put a car in everyones driveway, and MS a computer on everyones desk.  doesn't mean its the best option - just an accessible one for the common man.  and like anything in this forsaken country and western world, they spoon feed us third rate stuff with first rate hype and crackpot marketing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It took XP 3 years to get decent - and i love my XP 64 build finally ! ! .
Win 2000 less time .
but your point is exposed - its always been average and a struggle ( always ! !
) - what 's the point at all ?
even if Win7 turns out to be good - really good - whats the point ?
after 15 years + they finally got it !
yeah ! ! to bad I have been happily in UNIX and Mac OS for over 25 years .
what are all you people clamoring about ?
its junk - it always has been and always will be .
now , I use junk , and sometime happily roll around it .
but lets get real and with some perspective .
Ford put a car in everyones driveway , and MS a computer on everyones desk .
does n't mean its the best option - just an accessible one for the common man .
and like anything in this forsaken country and western world , they spoon feed us third rate stuff with first rate hype and crackpot marketing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It took XP 3 years to get decent - and i love my XP 64 build finally!!.
Win 2000 less time.
but your point is exposed - its always been average and a struggle (always!!
) - what's the point at all?
even if Win7 turns out to be good - really good - whats the point?
after 15 years+ they finally got it!
yeah!!   to bad I have been happily in UNIX and Mac OS for over 25 years.
what are all you people clamoring about?
its junk - it always has been and always will be.
now, I use junk, and sometime happily roll around it.
but lets get real and with some perspective.
Ford put a car in everyones driveway, and MS a computer on everyones desk.
doesn't mean its the best option - just an accessible one for the common man.
and like anything in this forsaken country and western world, they spoon feed us third rate stuff with first rate hype and crackpot marketing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28473785</id>
	<title>Re:Bad summary</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245930300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in Australia, you insensitive clod.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Australia , you insensitive clod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Australia, you insensitive clod.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469665</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>courtjester801</author>
	<datestamp>1245958140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure, $299 obviously is more expensive than the $120, except for the fact that I can throw together at least one box from discarded parts at my desk for $0 and use the windows, as opposed to having to pay X amount for an apple product to use the $120 snow leopard.  That's something to take into consideration when comparing this particular set of apples and oranges.
<br> <br>
Not to mention that Snow Leopard is just an upgrade (hence the 10<b>.6</b> in the version), where Windows 7 is a completely new release.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure , $ 299 obviously is more expensive than the $ 120 , except for the fact that I can throw together at least one box from discarded parts at my desk for $ 0 and use the windows , as opposed to having to pay X amount for an apple product to use the $ 120 snow leopard .
That 's something to take into consideration when comparing this particular set of apples and oranges .
Not to mention that Snow Leopard is just an upgrade ( hence the 10.6 in the version ) , where Windows 7 is a completely new release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure, $299 obviously is more expensive than the $120, except for the fact that I can throw together at least one box from discarded parts at my desk for $0 and use the windows, as opposed to having to pay X amount for an apple product to use the $120 snow leopard.
That's something to take into consideration when comparing this particular set of apples and oranges.
Not to mention that Snow Leopard is just an upgrade (hence the 10.6 in the version), where Windows 7 is a completely new release.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28473033</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>PingXao</author>
	<datestamp>1245926880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Spoken like a true Anonymous Coward.  How long did it take you to rate this up to a 5 using your sockpuppets?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Spoken like a true Anonymous Coward .
How long did it take you to rate this up to a 5 using your sockpuppets ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spoken like a true Anonymous Coward.
How long did it take you to rate this up to a 5 using your sockpuppets?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470463</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245961140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't call it fantastic. I would call it one of the best OS's MS has put out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't call it fantastic .
I would call it one of the best OS 's MS has put out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't call it fantastic.
I would call it one of the best OS's MS has put out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467371</id>
	<title>IMO...</title>
	<author>stalky14</author>
	<datestamp>1245949560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>
An OS should never cost more than $80.<p>

System Utilities should never cost more than $40.</p><p>

Games should never cost more than $50.</p><p>

Productivity apps can cost whatever, based on the size of their target market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An OS should never cost more than $ 80 .
System Utilities should never cost more than $ 40 .
Games should never cost more than $ 50 .
Productivity apps can cost whatever , based on the size of their target market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
An OS should never cost more than $80.
System Utilities should never cost more than $40.
Games should never cost more than $50.
Productivity apps can cost whatever, based on the size of their target market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468017</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1245951960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I know much of slashdot would vehemently disagree, but for the majority of users, Windows comes 'for free' with their PC.  They buy a computer from Dell or whomever and it comes with Windows, then when the buy a new PC 4 or 5 years later, it comes with Windows again.  Virtually no one I know 'buys' the OS - They'll simply get a the newest / latest when they buy a new computer.</p></div><p>While it is certainly true that most "Joe Sixpack" home users have never actually purchased an OS...  And many other people buy their OS for non-retail prices...  That doesn't negate the fact that the retail pricing is excessive.</p><p>We support a lot of small/medium sized businesses, and OS licensing can be a <i>huge</i> expense for them.  Expensive enough that it becomes cost-effective to simply replace perfectly good computers with new ones, and get the OS "for free" with the new hardware.  There's something wrong with that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know much of slashdot would vehemently disagree , but for the majority of users , Windows comes 'for free ' with their PC .
They buy a computer from Dell or whomever and it comes with Windows , then when the buy a new PC 4 or 5 years later , it comes with Windows again .
Virtually no one I know 'buys ' the OS - They 'll simply get a the newest / latest when they buy a new computer.While it is certainly true that most " Joe Sixpack " home users have never actually purchased an OS... And many other people buy their OS for non-retail prices... That does n't negate the fact that the retail pricing is excessive.We support a lot of small/medium sized businesses , and OS licensing can be a huge expense for them .
Expensive enough that it becomes cost-effective to simply replace perfectly good computers with new ones , and get the OS " for free " with the new hardware .
There 's something wrong with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know much of slashdot would vehemently disagree, but for the majority of users, Windows comes 'for free' with their PC.
They buy a computer from Dell or whomever and it comes with Windows, then when the buy a new PC 4 or 5 years later, it comes with Windows again.
Virtually no one I know 'buys' the OS - They'll simply get a the newest / latest when they buy a new computer.While it is certainly true that most "Joe Sixpack" home users have never actually purchased an OS...  And many other people buy their OS for non-retail prices...  That doesn't negate the fact that the retail pricing is excessive.We support a lot of small/medium sized businesses, and OS licensing can be a huge expense for them.
Expensive enough that it becomes cost-effective to simply replace perfectly good computers with new ones, and get the OS "for free" with the new hardware.
There's something wrong with that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467983</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245951780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>MS dropped the 3 apps limit...
How did you got to those prices ? I bet ms did that less randomly.
They have the majority of the market share and you want them to give free copies ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>MS dropped the 3 apps limit.. . How did you got to those prices ?
I bet ms did that less randomly .
They have the majority of the market share and you want them to give free copies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS dropped the 3 apps limit...
How did you got to those prices ?
I bet ms did that less randomly.
They have the majority of the market share and you want them to give free copies ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467997</id>
	<title>Re:Editions</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1245951900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm glad that with Windows 7 Microsoft mostly reverted back to the kind of editions they marketed Windows XP with. It's now much more clear which one to buy when it is distinguised by Home and Professional, then Ultimate for the power user.</p></div><ul>
<li>XP: Home, Media Center (Home with media), Professional (no media)</li><li>Vista: Home Basic, Home Premium (Home Basic with Aero and media), Business (no Aero, no media), Ultimate (Business with Aero, media, and BitLocker)</li><li>7: Starter, Home Premium, Professional (now includes Aero and media), Ultimate</li></ul><p>
The big change from Windows Vista to Windows 7 is that Professional is now a strict superset of Home Premium. But then what's the big draw for Ultimate?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad that with Windows 7 Microsoft mostly reverted back to the kind of editions they marketed Windows XP with .
It 's now much more clear which one to buy when it is distinguised by Home and Professional , then Ultimate for the power user .
XP : Home , Media Center ( Home with media ) , Professional ( no media ) Vista : Home Basic , Home Premium ( Home Basic with Aero and media ) , Business ( no Aero , no media ) , Ultimate ( Business with Aero , media , and BitLocker ) 7 : Starter , Home Premium , Professional ( now includes Aero and media ) , Ultimate The big change from Windows Vista to Windows 7 is that Professional is now a strict superset of Home Premium .
But then what 's the big draw for Ultimate ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad that with Windows 7 Microsoft mostly reverted back to the kind of editions they marketed Windows XP with.
It's now much more clear which one to buy when it is distinguised by Home and Professional, then Ultimate for the power user.
XP: Home, Media Center (Home with media), Professional (no media)Vista: Home Basic, Home Premium (Home Basic with Aero and media), Business (no Aero, no media), Ultimate (Business with Aero, media, and BitLocker)7: Starter, Home Premium, Professional (now includes Aero and media), Ultimate
The big change from Windows Vista to Windows 7 is that Professional is now a strict superset of Home Premium.
But then what's the big draw for Ultimate?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467225</id>
	<title>MacOSX starts as free</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1245949020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, free with purchase of overpriced computer.</p><p>If Apple hardware was sold at prices for comparable non-Apple hardware, they would have to raise their software prices or eat the loss.</p><p>Of course, there are some operating systems that are free, companies make their money on services.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , free with purchase of overpriced computer.If Apple hardware was sold at prices for comparable non-Apple hardware , they would have to raise their software prices or eat the loss.Of course , there are some operating systems that are free , companies make their money on services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, free with purchase of overpriced computer.If Apple hardware was sold at prices for comparable non-Apple hardware, they would have to raise their software prices or eat the loss.Of course, there are some operating systems that are free, companies make their money on services.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28479007</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246007940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What makes you think that Microsoft and the OEM that customises the disks are more trustworthy than a torrent site?</p></div></blockquote><p>They probably try to avoid including malware on purpose.</p><blockquote><div><p>Or did you want the MD5 for checking that the torrent downloaded properly? Bittorrent does that itself.</p></div></blockquote><p>No, he wanted it to check that the copy off the torrent is the same as would have come from Microsoft in a retail box.</p><p>Anyway, such a checksum is probably impossible to get, since every retail copy differs at least by the serial number.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What makes you think that Microsoft and the OEM that customises the disks are more trustworthy than a torrent site ? They probably try to avoid including malware on purpose.Or did you want the MD5 for checking that the torrent downloaded properly ?
Bittorrent does that itself.No , he wanted it to check that the copy off the torrent is the same as would have come from Microsoft in a retail box.Anyway , such a checksum is probably impossible to get , since every retail copy differs at least by the serial number .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What makes you think that Microsoft and the OEM that customises the disks are more trustworthy than a torrent site?They probably try to avoid including malware on purpose.Or did you want the MD5 for checking that the torrent downloaded properly?
Bittorrent does that itself.No, he wanted it to check that the copy off the torrent is the same as would have come from Microsoft in a retail box.Anyway, such a checksum is probably impossible to get, since every retail copy differs at least by the serial number.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470795</id>
	<title>wow</title>
	<author>JustNiz</author>
	<datestamp>1245962640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$319 for a graphical program launcher loaded with DRM? wow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 319 for a graphical program launcher loaded with DRM ?
wow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$319 for a graphical program launcher loaded with DRM?
wow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471951</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>CrashNBrn</author>
	<datestamp>1245923100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>IANAEBLPA<br>
Mac releases an OS/or updates every year. Mac charges for updates.<br>
<br>
Microsoft releases an OS every 2-3 Years (Vista/XP being an exception)<br>
<br>
Microsoft's "updates" are free to anyone that has purchased the product within it's lifespan.<br>
<br>
In many articles here on slashdot over the years, it has been mentioned time and again that "free software" is not equated as having value compared to commercial software. And the value associated with commercial software increases it's adoption (likewise piracy).<br>
<br>
If microsoft stand-alone purchase price was too low, or lower than XP was many years ago. It would decrease its viewed value -- as well as decrease the discount value that OEM's receive. I believe Microsoft has little option but charging at least $200 and more likely the $300 price range for the top tier of their latest OS. <br>
<br>
*******
I Am Not An Enconomist, but Lets Pretend Anyways!</htmltext>
<tokenext>IANAEBLPA Mac releases an OS/or updates every year .
Mac charges for updates .
Microsoft releases an OS every 2-3 Years ( Vista/XP being an exception ) Microsoft 's " updates " are free to anyone that has purchased the product within it 's lifespan .
In many articles here on slashdot over the years , it has been mentioned time and again that " free software " is not equated as having value compared to commercial software .
And the value associated with commercial software increases it 's adoption ( likewise piracy ) .
If microsoft stand-alone purchase price was too low , or lower than XP was many years ago .
It would decrease its viewed value -- as well as decrease the discount value that OEM 's receive .
I believe Microsoft has little option but charging at least $ 200 and more likely the $ 300 price range for the top tier of their latest OS .
* * * * * * * I Am Not An Enconomist , but Lets Pretend Anyways !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANAEBLPA
Mac releases an OS/or updates every year.
Mac charges for updates.
Microsoft releases an OS every 2-3 Years (Vista/XP being an exception)

Microsoft's "updates" are free to anyone that has purchased the product within it's lifespan.
In many articles here on slashdot over the years, it has been mentioned time and again that "free software" is not equated as having value compared to commercial software.
And the value associated with commercial software increases it's adoption (likewise piracy).
If microsoft stand-alone purchase price was too low, or lower than XP was many years ago.
It would decrease its viewed value -- as well as decrease the discount value that OEM's receive.
I believe Microsoft has little option but charging at least $200 and more likely the $300 price range for the top tier of their latest OS.
*******
I Am Not An Enconomist, but Lets Pretend Anyways!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469617</id>
	<title>Re:Do not hate me.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245957900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>have you noticed winsxs lately?  I can't say that I agree with why it is there, but space is cheap these days anyways, so I don't care how much windows uses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>have you noticed winsxs lately ?
I ca n't say that I agree with why it is there , but space is cheap these days anyways , so I do n't care how much windows uses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>have you noticed winsxs lately?
I can't say that I agree with why it is there, but space is cheap these days anyways, so I don't care how much windows uses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467631</id>
	<title>Re:10\% cheaper but...</title>
	<author>stalky14</author>
	<datestamp>1245950580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only <i>outrageously</i> overpriced Macs these days are the Mini and the Pro... and a case can be made for the Pro.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only outrageously overpriced Macs these days are the Mini and the Pro... and a case can be made for the Pro .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only outrageously overpriced Macs these days are the Mini and the Pro... and a case can be made for the Pro.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467461</id>
	<title>Yuo fail 1t!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">United States. Coming a piss LLOk at your soft, some intelligent</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>United States .
Coming a piss LLOk at your soft , some intelligent [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>United States.
Coming a piss LLOk at your soft, some intelligent [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467971</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245951780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a link to check for free windows 7 upgrade if you purchased a pre-installed or packaged version of vista. I'm not sure what makes you eligible for the free upgrade since the site isn't available until June 26th, but I wrote a mean letter to microsoft complaining since I dished out $399 for Vista Ultimate and never got any of the extra's I was promiced and they totally just gave up on Vista. If I am not eligible for the free upgrade I'm going to be extremely pissed and write an even meaner letter. I love how the treated me as an interested person on information for Windows 7 and not an upset consumer, the link and response from microsoft is here:</p><p>I understand that you would like to obtain information about Windows 7 Upgrade Options program.</p><p>I would like you to know that specifically designated PCs that are pre-installed with Windows Vista Home Premium, Windows Vista Business, or Windows Vista Ultimate may qualify for an upgrade to the equivalent Windows 7 product. Similarly, retail packaged Windows Vista software products (sold separately from PCs) may also qualify for an upgrade to the equivalent Windows 7 product. The upgrades will be provided to qualifying customers when the Windows 7 product becomes available in the market (also known as &#226;oeWindows 7 General Availability&#226;).</p><p>Please note that Windows 7 Upgrade Option Program will begin June 26, 2009.<br>For more information regarding this, I recommend you to please visit the web link provided below for update regarding this concern:</p><p>https://windows7upgradeoption.com/Landing.aspx</p><p>I hope the above information is helpful.</p><p>Thank you,</p><p>Rachit</p><p>Microsoft Customer Service Representative</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a link to check for free windows 7 upgrade if you purchased a pre-installed or packaged version of vista .
I 'm not sure what makes you eligible for the free upgrade since the site is n't available until June 26th , but I wrote a mean letter to microsoft complaining since I dished out $ 399 for Vista Ultimate and never got any of the extra 's I was promiced and they totally just gave up on Vista .
If I am not eligible for the free upgrade I 'm going to be extremely pissed and write an even meaner letter .
I love how the treated me as an interested person on information for Windows 7 and not an upset consumer , the link and response from microsoft is here : I understand that you would like to obtain information about Windows 7 Upgrade Options program.I would like you to know that specifically designated PCs that are pre-installed with Windows Vista Home Premium , Windows Vista Business , or Windows Vista Ultimate may qualify for an upgrade to the equivalent Windows 7 product .
Similarly , retail packaged Windows Vista software products ( sold separately from PCs ) may also qualify for an upgrade to the equivalent Windows 7 product .
The upgrades will be provided to qualifying customers when the Windows 7 product becomes available in the market ( also known as   oeWindows 7 General Availability   ) .Please note that Windows 7 Upgrade Option Program will begin June 26 , 2009.For more information regarding this , I recommend you to please visit the web link provided below for update regarding this concern : https : //windows7upgradeoption.com/Landing.aspxI hope the above information is helpful.Thank you,RachitMicrosoft Customer Service Representative</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a link to check for free windows 7 upgrade if you purchased a pre-installed or packaged version of vista.
I'm not sure what makes you eligible for the free upgrade since the site isn't available until June 26th, but I wrote a mean letter to microsoft complaining since I dished out $399 for Vista Ultimate and never got any of the extra's I was promiced and they totally just gave up on Vista.
If I am not eligible for the free upgrade I'm going to be extremely pissed and write an even meaner letter.
I love how the treated me as an interested person on information for Windows 7 and not an upset consumer, the link and response from microsoft is here:I understand that you would like to obtain information about Windows 7 Upgrade Options program.I would like you to know that specifically designated PCs that are pre-installed with Windows Vista Home Premium, Windows Vista Business, or Windows Vista Ultimate may qualify for an upgrade to the equivalent Windows 7 product.
Similarly, retail packaged Windows Vista software products (sold separately from PCs) may also qualify for an upgrade to the equivalent Windows 7 product.
The upgrades will be provided to qualifying customers when the Windows 7 product becomes available in the market (also known as âoeWindows 7 General Availabilityâ).Please note that Windows 7 Upgrade Option Program will begin June 26, 2009.For more information regarding this, I recommend you to please visit the web link provided below for update regarding this concern:https://windows7upgradeoption.com/Landing.aspxI hope the above information is helpful.Thank you,RachitMicrosoft Customer Service Representative</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467767</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245951060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No. Microsoft fails to deliver on it's promises time and time again.</p><p>They might have finally broken this habit. However, until my own<br>circle of acquaintances are no longer being subjected to Microsoft<br>driven malware infestations I will be staying as far away from<br>Microsoft products as I can.</p><p>So yeah... of course this Zealot hasn't run the latest pre-release<br>version of Microsoft Broken Promises and Technological Sandbagging.</p><p>If I get OS Wanderlust I will put MacOS back on one of my Macs and upgrade it to Snow Leopard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No .
Microsoft fails to deliver on it 's promises time and time again.They might have finally broken this habit .
However , until my owncircle of acquaintances are no longer being subjected to Microsoftdriven malware infestations I will be staying as far away fromMicrosoft products as I can.So yeah... of course this Zealot has n't run the latest pre-releaseversion of Microsoft Broken Promises and Technological Sandbagging.If I get OS Wanderlust I will put MacOS back on one of my Macs and upgrade it to Snow Leopard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No.
Microsoft fails to deliver on it's promises time and time again.They might have finally broken this habit.
However, until my owncircle of acquaintances are no longer being subjected to Microsoftdriven malware infestations I will be staying as far away fromMicrosoft products as I can.So yeah... of course this Zealot hasn't run the latest pre-releaseversion of Microsoft Broken Promises and Technological Sandbagging.If I get OS Wanderlust I will put MacOS back on one of my Macs and upgrade it to Snow Leopard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468457</id>
	<title>Re:So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1245953640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's with this "buy" of the operating system? All you are getting for your money is a promise that Microsoft will permit you to  run it on one specific machine, witt no guarentees that it will do anything useful. You own nothing, you get no promises of its worth. You only get a half-hearted promise that they might not send the BSA after you if you can prove that you actually bought it, but then again, they might do it any way. Make sure that you have a receipt with: the serial number of your copy of Windows, the serial number of the PC you are going to run it on, a DNA sample of the person who will be using it, signatures of three Microsoft lawyers,  and the signatures of seven arch-bishops. Even then, they'll probably print it on that termal paper that fades within days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's with this " buy " of the operating system ?
All you are getting for your money is a promise that Microsoft will permit you to run it on one specific machine , witt no guarentees that it will do anything useful .
You own nothing , you get no promises of its worth .
You only get a half-hearted promise that they might not send the BSA after you if you can prove that you actually bought it , but then again , they might do it any way .
Make sure that you have a receipt with : the serial number of your copy of Windows , the serial number of the PC you are going to run it on , a DNA sample of the person who will be using it , signatures of three Microsoft lawyers , and the signatures of seven arch-bishops .
Even then , they 'll probably print it on that termal paper that fades within days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's with this "buy" of the operating system?
All you are getting for your money is a promise that Microsoft will permit you to  run it on one specific machine, witt no guarentees that it will do anything useful.
You own nothing, you get no promises of its worth.
You only get a half-hearted promise that they might not send the BSA after you if you can prove that you actually bought it, but then again, they might do it any way.
Make sure that you have a receipt with: the serial number of your copy of Windows, the serial number of the PC you are going to run it on, a DNA sample of the person who will be using it, signatures of three Microsoft lawyers,  and the signatures of seven arch-bishops.
Even then, they'll probably print it on that termal paper that fades within days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471447</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>TrancePhreak</author>
	<datestamp>1245921540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If XP SP3 is crashing for you, ur doin it wrong. You probably have a highly infested machine with malware that all borks it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If XP SP3 is crashing for you , ur doin it wrong .
You probably have a highly infested machine with malware that all borks it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If XP SP3 is crashing for you, ur doin it wrong.
You probably have a highly infested machine with malware that all borks it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467575</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245950340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The one they announced won't have a running app limit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The one they announced wo n't have a running app limit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one they announced won't have a running app limit?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467335</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>Endo13</author>
	<datestamp>1245949440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, to <i>use</i> snow leopard you have to have a mac, but let's not let the facts get in the way.</p><p>I do agree though that the prices are still too high. I'd say starting at $50 for home version and tacking on an extra $50 for each higher version would be about right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , to use snow leopard you have to have a mac , but let 's not let the facts get in the way.I do agree though that the prices are still too high .
I 'd say starting at $ 50 for home version and tacking on an extra $ 50 for each higher version would be about right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, to use snow leopard you have to have a mac, but let's not let the facts get in the way.I do agree though that the prices are still too high.
I'd say starting at $50 for home version and tacking on an extra $50 for each higher version would be about right.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28473317</id>
	<title>Re:So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245928200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iirc, back in 2003, the wholesale price for an oem xp licence was about $90-120 depending on the flavor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iirc , back in 2003 , the wholesale price for an oem xp licence was about $ 90-120 depending on the flavor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iirc, back in 2003, the wholesale price for an oem xp licence was about $90-120 depending on the flavor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468101</id>
	<title>Re:So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>Ephemeriis</author>
	<datestamp>1245952320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How much DO Windows and Office cost?</p></div><p>How much are you willing to spend?</p><p>The fact of the matter is that Microsoft has no standard price.  They've got discounts and deals to fit pretty much anyone and everyone - you just have to know about them.  Government deals, educational deals, developer deals, big business deals...</p><p>It's ridiculous.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How much DO Windows and Office cost ? How much are you willing to spend ? The fact of the matter is that Microsoft has no standard price .
They 've got discounts and deals to fit pretty much anyone and everyone - you just have to know about them .
Government deals , educational deals , developer deals , big business deals...It 's ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much DO Windows and Office cost?How much are you willing to spend?The fact of the matter is that Microsoft has no standard price.
They've got discounts and deals to fit pretty much anyone and everyone - you just have to know about them.
Government deals, educational deals, developer deals, big business deals...It's ridiculous.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28475685</id>
	<title>Re:Time will tell.</title>
	<author>Cl1mh4224rd</author>
	<datestamp>1245938580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If we see that Windows 7 is stable and worth the money we might begin to see a larger transition to it 6 months from now.</p></div><p>Umm... This is quite likely one of the reasons why Microsoft is allowing the Windows 7 RC to be used absolutely free for so long.</p><p>If you're at all interested in the stability and viability of Windows 7, you're either going to try it out yourself or check out the reviews of those who have.</p><p>They're giving you plenty of time to come to a conclusion before the release date.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we see that Windows 7 is stable and worth the money we might begin to see a larger transition to it 6 months from now.Umm... This is quite likely one of the reasons why Microsoft is allowing the Windows 7 RC to be used absolutely free for so long.If you 're at all interested in the stability and viability of Windows 7 , you 're either going to try it out yourself or check out the reviews of those who have.They 're giving you plenty of time to come to a conclusion before the release date .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we see that Windows 7 is stable and worth the money we might begin to see a larger transition to it 6 months from now.Umm... This is quite likely one of the reasons why Microsoft is allowing the Windows 7 RC to be used absolutely free for so long.If you're at all interested in the stability and viability of Windows 7, you're either going to try it out yourself or check out the reviews of those who have.They're giving you plenty of time to come to a conclusion before the release date.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471033</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245963480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>90's?  My new dvd r/w is causing bsod's on my xp build right now with the newest drivers from the vendor.  Works fine in linux.  My vista install on my laptop takes 7 minutes to boot and get into a usable state, and then is sluggish as hell.Forgive me though if I haven't installed an RC to see how much greaterest this version will be, it must be the zealot in me.<br>Disclaimer: Some MS products don't suck.  But to say their products are categorically secure, stable, and slim ain't my experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>90 's ?
My new dvd r/w is causing bsod 's on my xp build right now with the newest drivers from the vendor .
Works fine in linux .
My vista install on my laptop takes 7 minutes to boot and get into a usable state , and then is sluggish as hell.Forgive me though if I have n't installed an RC to see how much greaterest this version will be , it must be the zealot in me.Disclaimer : Some MS products do n't suck .
But to say their products are categorically secure , stable , and slim ai n't my experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>90's?
My new dvd r/w is causing bsod's on my xp build right now with the newest drivers from the vendor.
Works fine in linux.
My vista install on my laptop takes 7 minutes to boot and get into a usable state, and then is sluggish as hell.Forgive me though if I haven't installed an RC to see how much greaterest this version will be, it must be the zealot in me.Disclaimer: Some MS products don't suck.
But to say their products are categorically secure, stable, and slim ain't my experience.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468201</id>
	<title>Valid point, but...</title>
	<author>Radical Moderate</author>
	<datestamp>1245952620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, the OS is perceived as "free" by many.  If you remember the dark days of Win ME, it really  sucked, and a lot of people had problems with it.  Yes, MS killed it as soon as they could, but that left millions of people with a crappy, poorly supported OS that developers didn't want to write apps and drivers for.
<br> <br>
I expect people running Vista will soon be in the same boat, and the solution will be to spend $500 for a new computer or $119+ to upgrade the OS.  Who wants to invest $119 in a 2-3 year old machine?  MS should do the right thing and make the upgrade dirt cheap, to get all their users on the same page.    But they have a near-monopoly so why should they care if they piss off millions of customers?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , the OS is perceived as " free " by many .
If you remember the dark days of Win ME , it really sucked , and a lot of people had problems with it .
Yes , MS killed it as soon as they could , but that left millions of people with a crappy , poorly supported OS that developers did n't want to write apps and drivers for .
I expect people running Vista will soon be in the same boat , and the solution will be to spend $ 500 for a new computer or $ 119 + to upgrade the OS .
Who wants to invest $ 119 in a 2-3 year old machine ?
MS should do the right thing and make the upgrade dirt cheap , to get all their users on the same page .
But they have a near-monopoly so why should they care if they piss off millions of customers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, the OS is perceived as "free" by many.
If you remember the dark days of Win ME, it really  sucked, and a lot of people had problems with it.
Yes, MS killed it as soon as they could, but that left millions of people with a crappy, poorly supported OS that developers didn't want to write apps and drivers for.
I expect people running Vista will soon be in the same boat, and the solution will be to spend $500 for a new computer or $119+ to upgrade the OS.
Who wants to invest $119 in a 2-3 year old machine?
MS should do the right thing and make the upgrade dirt cheap, to get all their users on the same page.
But they have a near-monopoly so why should they care if they piss off millions of customers?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468137</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245952440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My keyboard, mouse, joystick, and webcam are all from Microsoft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My keyboard , mouse , joystick , and webcam are all from Microsoft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My keyboard, mouse, joystick, and webcam are all from Microsoft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467359</id>
	<title>Convenient...</title>
	<author>ternarybit</author>
	<datestamp>1245949500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I still think it's a bit convenient that M$ takes 6+ years to develop something as awful as Vista, then spends less than 3 developing something remarkably usable, innovative and stable (at least compared to its predecessor.)

I just thank Canonical, FOSS coders everywhere, and the good man upstairs for (K/U)buntu!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I still think it 's a bit convenient that M $ takes 6 + years to develop something as awful as Vista , then spends less than 3 developing something remarkably usable , innovative and stable ( at least compared to its predecessor .
) I just thank Canonical , FOSS coders everywhere , and the good man upstairs for ( K/U ) buntu !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I still think it's a bit convenient that M$ takes 6+ years to develop something as awful as Vista, then spends less than 3 developing something remarkably usable, innovative and stable (at least compared to its predecessor.
)

I just thank Canonical, FOSS coders everywhere, and the good man upstairs for (K/U)buntu!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467173</id>
	<title>More importantly...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245948780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can I use the windows 7 license to legally run windows XP?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I use the windows 7 license to legally run windows XP ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I use the windows 7 license to legally run windows XP?
;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467707</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1245950880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.
<br> <br>
The upgrade from Vista Ultimate to Win 7 Ultimate should be free.
<br> <br>
That will teach me for buying a boxed, non-OEM version of Windows I guess.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Personally, when I receive a promise from a company and feel that they didn't deliver, I show my dissatisfaction with that company by no longer buying their products.  That is, I try not to support business practices that are abusive or unfavorable or fail to deliver.  That works because in most markets there are other companies to choose from.
<br> <br>
If there were any real competition in this market, you'd probably be saying "that will teach me for buying <i>Microsoft</i>".  Just think about that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised .
The upgrade from Vista Ultimate to Win 7 Ultimate should be free .
That will teach me for buying a boxed , non-OEM version of Windows I guess .
Personally , when I receive a promise from a company and feel that they did n't deliver , I show my dissatisfaction with that company by no longer buying their products .
That is , I try not to support business practices that are abusive or unfavorable or fail to deliver .
That works because in most markets there are other companies to choose from .
If there were any real competition in this market , you 'd probably be saying " that will teach me for buying Microsoft " .
Just think about that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.
The upgrade from Vista Ultimate to Win 7 Ultimate should be free.
That will teach me for buying a boxed, non-OEM version of Windows I guess.
Personally, when I receive a promise from a company and feel that they didn't deliver, I show my dissatisfaction with that company by no longer buying their products.
That is, I try not to support business practices that are abusive or unfavorable or fail to deliver.
That works because in most markets there are other companies to choose from.
If there were any real competition in this market, you'd probably be saying "that will teach me for buying Microsoft".
Just think about that.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469445</id>
	<title>Should be enough for anybody...</title>
	<author>AmigaHeretic</author>
	<datestamp>1245957240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And computers should never have more than 640K of RAM...</htmltext>
<tokenext>And computers should never have more than 640K of RAM.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And computers should never have more than 640K of RAM...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28474559</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>Knara</author>
	<datestamp>1245933120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't matter to the consumer, because the ones who perceive it to be "free" with the computer, in all likelihood, won't be buying the Linux version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't matter to the consumer , because the ones who perceive it to be " free " with the computer , in all likelihood , wo n't be buying the Linux version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't matter to the consumer, because the ones who perceive it to be "free" with the computer, in all likelihood, won't be buying the Linux version.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471043</id>
	<title>Re:So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>inject\_hotmail.com</author>
	<datestamp>1245963540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I may weigh in on the subject, I can offer some insight.</p><p>I bet the $21 price tag does come with restrictions.  It is probably "non-production" use only.  I recall buying Visual Studio during school, and inside the readme.txt (or maybe license.txt) file it went into detail as to how the various types of licenses apply.  Is it a boxed copy?  Is it just a license sticker?  More info is required.</p><p>As for have a "worth", you're right, many companies do this to establish a newbie fee.  Anyone that isn't aware of the various sources for any given product will likely pay the highest marked value.  Take car parts for example.  I bought a pretty simple device, called a purge valve solenoid the other day.  I was quoted $33, at which I was a little shocked.  The sales clerk said "well, I could charge you list price!" with a bit of a smirk.  I laughed a bit, and said that it was ok, I like my money in my pocket just fine...he said list was going to be $50.</p><p>All companies sell stuff, and they establish various prices based on their customer.  Some companies hide them, charge the public the highest price, but give their returning customers a discount.</p><p>In my above case, the car parts store cares more about making a sale than fleecing its customers, so they are willing to show the different prices (they know that another store is willing to sell at a lower price, so they do as well).  And this is the point.  Stores will sell products at a price that is acceptable by most people.  If every other car parts store sold at list price, I would have been charged $50.  Same thing with Microsoft's apps and OSes, there are many places that sell them at lower prices, so people expect it.</p><p>How much does Windows or Office cost?  It depends on the buyer.  There are OEM and Retail version of these licenses.  If the buyer is Dell, HP, Gateway, or the like, they pay a very small amount (XP Pro OEM is likely near $30, Office 2007 Small Business OEM is likely near $130) because these companies have to support them, not Microsoft.  Retail versions, completely different angle.  Microsoft has to support them.  In essence, Retail versions include a support fee in the price.  Supposedly, any OEM is supposed to charge a little bit extra to cover support costs...so the raw dollar value of the OS/app is low.</p><p>Having said that, Microsoft's requirement to have a properly license OEM version is pretty relaxed.  One could buy XP Pro OEM for around $135 at one point, as long as some piece of hardware was included in the sale (a hard drive, cpu, ram, memory stick).  Thus Microsoft doesn't support it (no calling them if something isn't working...which is how MS likes it.  I bet over 95\% of all Windows sales are OEM), you get a piece of hardware all for less than the cost of the retail version.</p><p>So yes, the retail price is an inflated price so that they can say "Wow!  You can save $300 off the full price!", which is good marketing-speak...which is something we all know Microsoft has a lot of experience.</p><p>I doubt it's subsidized by the TDSB...it's more like they have a bit of leverage because they'd buy so many licenses.</p><p>Nuff said.</p><p>(sorry, no time to proof read my post...if I goofed anything up, it's because I'm goofy)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I may weigh in on the subject , I can offer some insight.I bet the $ 21 price tag does come with restrictions .
It is probably " non-production " use only .
I recall buying Visual Studio during school , and inside the readme.txt ( or maybe license.txt ) file it went into detail as to how the various types of licenses apply .
Is it a boxed copy ?
Is it just a license sticker ?
More info is required.As for have a " worth " , you 're right , many companies do this to establish a newbie fee .
Anyone that is n't aware of the various sources for any given product will likely pay the highest marked value .
Take car parts for example .
I bought a pretty simple device , called a purge valve solenoid the other day .
I was quoted $ 33 , at which I was a little shocked .
The sales clerk said " well , I could charge you list price !
" with a bit of a smirk .
I laughed a bit , and said that it was ok , I like my money in my pocket just fine...he said list was going to be $ 50.All companies sell stuff , and they establish various prices based on their customer .
Some companies hide them , charge the public the highest price , but give their returning customers a discount.In my above case , the car parts store cares more about making a sale than fleecing its customers , so they are willing to show the different prices ( they know that another store is willing to sell at a lower price , so they do as well ) .
And this is the point .
Stores will sell products at a price that is acceptable by most people .
If every other car parts store sold at list price , I would have been charged $ 50 .
Same thing with Microsoft 's apps and OSes , there are many places that sell them at lower prices , so people expect it.How much does Windows or Office cost ?
It depends on the buyer .
There are OEM and Retail version of these licenses .
If the buyer is Dell , HP , Gateway , or the like , they pay a very small amount ( XP Pro OEM is likely near $ 30 , Office 2007 Small Business OEM is likely near $ 130 ) because these companies have to support them , not Microsoft .
Retail versions , completely different angle .
Microsoft has to support them .
In essence , Retail versions include a support fee in the price .
Supposedly , any OEM is supposed to charge a little bit extra to cover support costs...so the raw dollar value of the OS/app is low.Having said that , Microsoft 's requirement to have a properly license OEM version is pretty relaxed .
One could buy XP Pro OEM for around $ 135 at one point , as long as some piece of hardware was included in the sale ( a hard drive , cpu , ram , memory stick ) .
Thus Microsoft does n't support it ( no calling them if something is n't working...which is how MS likes it .
I bet over 95 \ % of all Windows sales are OEM ) , you get a piece of hardware all for less than the cost of the retail version.So yes , the retail price is an inflated price so that they can say " Wow !
You can save $ 300 off the full price !
" , which is good marketing-speak...which is something we all know Microsoft has a lot of experience.I doubt it 's subsidized by the TDSB...it 's more like they have a bit of leverage because they 'd buy so many licenses.Nuff said .
( sorry , no time to proof read my post...if I goofed anything up , it 's because I 'm goofy )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I may weigh in on the subject, I can offer some insight.I bet the $21 price tag does come with restrictions.
It is probably "non-production" use only.
I recall buying Visual Studio during school, and inside the readme.txt (or maybe license.txt) file it went into detail as to how the various types of licenses apply.
Is it a boxed copy?
Is it just a license sticker?
More info is required.As for have a "worth", you're right, many companies do this to establish a newbie fee.
Anyone that isn't aware of the various sources for any given product will likely pay the highest marked value.
Take car parts for example.
I bought a pretty simple device, called a purge valve solenoid the other day.
I was quoted $33, at which I was a little shocked.
The sales clerk said "well, I could charge you list price!
" with a bit of a smirk.
I laughed a bit, and said that it was ok, I like my money in my pocket just fine...he said list was going to be $50.All companies sell stuff, and they establish various prices based on their customer.
Some companies hide them, charge the public the highest price, but give their returning customers a discount.In my above case, the car parts store cares more about making a sale than fleecing its customers, so they are willing to show the different prices (they know that another store is willing to sell at a lower price, so they do as well).
And this is the point.
Stores will sell products at a price that is acceptable by most people.
If every other car parts store sold at list price, I would have been charged $50.
Same thing with Microsoft's apps and OSes, there are many places that sell them at lower prices, so people expect it.How much does Windows or Office cost?
It depends on the buyer.
There are OEM and Retail version of these licenses.
If the buyer is Dell, HP, Gateway, or the like, they pay a very small amount (XP Pro OEM is likely near $30, Office 2007 Small Business OEM is likely near $130) because these companies have to support them, not Microsoft.
Retail versions, completely different angle.
Microsoft has to support them.
In essence, Retail versions include a support fee in the price.
Supposedly, any OEM is supposed to charge a little bit extra to cover support costs...so the raw dollar value of the OS/app is low.Having said that, Microsoft's requirement to have a properly license OEM version is pretty relaxed.
One could buy XP Pro OEM for around $135 at one point, as long as some piece of hardware was included in the sale (a hard drive, cpu, ram, memory stick).
Thus Microsoft doesn't support it (no calling them if something isn't working...which is how MS likes it.
I bet over 95\% of all Windows sales are OEM), you get a piece of hardware all for less than the cost of the retail version.So yes, the retail price is an inflated price so that they can say "Wow!
You can save $300 off the full price!
", which is good marketing-speak...which is something we all know Microsoft has a lot of experience.I doubt it's subsidized by the TDSB...it's more like they have a bit of leverage because they'd buy so many licenses.Nuff said.
(sorry, no time to proof read my post...if I goofed anything up, it's because I'm goofy)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467333</id>
	<title>Need a price for ...</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1245949380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...upgrading from Vista Home Edition, but then I discovered that it lacked features I needed, so I switched to Vista Professional. But then that didn't support my hardware and ran slow as a pig. So I switched to XP, which ran fine, but Microsoft might discontinue support for that any day. So I'll give them just one more chance and try Windows 7. Or just say, "F*ck it all" and go to Ubuntu.
</p><p>What's the price going to be for that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...upgrading from Vista Home Edition , but then I discovered that it lacked features I needed , so I switched to Vista Professional .
But then that did n't support my hardware and ran slow as a pig .
So I switched to XP , which ran fine , but Microsoft might discontinue support for that any day .
So I 'll give them just one more chance and try Windows 7 .
Or just say , " F * ck it all " and go to Ubuntu .
What 's the price going to be for that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...upgrading from Vista Home Edition, but then I discovered that it lacked features I needed, so I switched to Vista Professional.
But then that didn't support my hardware and ran slow as a pig.
So I switched to XP, which ran fine, but Microsoft might discontinue support for that any day.
So I'll give them just one more chance and try Windows 7.
Or just say, "F*ck it all" and go to Ubuntu.
What's the price going to be for that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468701</id>
	<title>Re:Wow, $319US!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245954420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LOL @ kawabago who thinks Windows is more difficult to admininster than Linux.</p><p>Ever tried setting up grandma's dual monitors and printer on Linux ?<br>If you did it successfully, you should know better ; I am taking away your geek badge and giving you this troll badge.<br>If you failed, I am taking away your geek badge and giving you this Newbie badge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL @ kawabago who thinks Windows is more difficult to admininster than Linux.Ever tried setting up grandma 's dual monitors and printer on Linux ? If you did it successfully , you should know better ; I am taking away your geek badge and giving you this troll badge.If you failed , I am taking away your geek badge and giving you this Newbie badge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL @ kawabago who thinks Windows is more difficult to admininster than Linux.Ever tried setting up grandma's dual monitors and printer on Linux ?If you did it successfully, you should know better ; I am taking away your geek badge and giving you this troll badge.If you failed, I am taking away your geek badge and giving you this Newbie badge.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468567</id>
	<title>Re:Time will tell.</title>
	<author>xxuserxx</author>
	<datestamp>1245954000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would say your average user has no idea that Vista has flaws. Currently with SP1 Vista has no serious issues that would keep me from reccomending it to a client other than "Dont get Vista because 7 is about to come out."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would say your average user has no idea that Vista has flaws .
Currently with SP1 Vista has no serious issues that would keep me from reccomending it to a client other than " Dont get Vista because 7 is about to come out .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would say your average user has no idea that Vista has flaws.
Currently with SP1 Vista has no serious issues that would keep me from reccomending it to a client other than "Dont get Vista because 7 is about to come out.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467581</id>
	<title>The price of Windows is factored into PC's price.</title>
	<author>Doug52392</author>
	<datestamp>1245950340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Technically, the price of Windows is factored into the cost of a new PC. Even though it might seem like Windows is "free" when purchasing a new computer, it's not. The companies don't include "Windows - $x.xx" in their pricing breakdown, so you can't tell the difference.<p><div class="quote"><p> "You didn't pay anything for Windows."<br>
<br>
Since the price of Windows was included in the price of the computer, they may try to argue that you didn't pay anything for it. This one is easy to debunk. Windows costs money -- everyone knows that. Once you establish that Windows does indeed cost money (and you can't get it for free) then the only remaining issue is how much you paid. Since Microsoft contracts out with hardware vendors, there's no actual way to know how much Windows costs a given retailer. This being the case, I was asking for the price of an OEM copy of Windows XP Home SP2 that I found on Newegg, which was $89. In the end they gave me $52.50. I don't know if this is really how much Windows costs, but it's a non-trivial amount and I can well imagine that one of the world's largest computer makers can get a good deal on Windows licenses from Microsoft.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/59381" title="linux.com">http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/59381</a> [linux.com] <br>
<br>
In this case, it was determined that Windows XP added $52.50 to the price of a Dell PC.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Technically , the price of Windows is factored into the cost of a new PC .
Even though it might seem like Windows is " free " when purchasing a new computer , it 's not .
The companies do n't include " Windows - $ x.xx " in their pricing breakdown , so you ca n't tell the difference .
" You did n't pay anything for Windows .
" Since the price of Windows was included in the price of the computer , they may try to argue that you did n't pay anything for it .
This one is easy to debunk .
Windows costs money -- everyone knows that .
Once you establish that Windows does indeed cost money ( and you ca n't get it for free ) then the only remaining issue is how much you paid .
Since Microsoft contracts out with hardware vendors , there 's no actual way to know how much Windows costs a given retailer .
This being the case , I was asking for the price of an OEM copy of Windows XP Home SP2 that I found on Newegg , which was $ 89 .
In the end they gave me $ 52.50 .
I do n't know if this is really how much Windows costs , but it 's a non-trivial amount and I can well imagine that one of the world 's largest computer makers can get a good deal on Windows licenses from Microsoft .
http : //www.linux.com/archive/articles/59381 [ linux.com ] In this case , it was determined that Windows XP added $ 52.50 to the price of a Dell PC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Technically, the price of Windows is factored into the cost of a new PC.
Even though it might seem like Windows is "free" when purchasing a new computer, it's not.
The companies don't include "Windows - $x.xx" in their pricing breakdown, so you can't tell the difference.
"You didn't pay anything for Windows.
"

Since the price of Windows was included in the price of the computer, they may try to argue that you didn't pay anything for it.
This one is easy to debunk.
Windows costs money -- everyone knows that.
Once you establish that Windows does indeed cost money (and you can't get it for free) then the only remaining issue is how much you paid.
Since Microsoft contracts out with hardware vendors, there's no actual way to know how much Windows costs a given retailer.
This being the case, I was asking for the price of an OEM copy of Windows XP Home SP2 that I found on Newegg, which was $89.
In the end they gave me $52.50.
I don't know if this is really how much Windows costs, but it's a non-trivial amount and I can well imagine that one of the world's largest computer makers can get a good deal on Windows licenses from Microsoft.
http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/59381 [linux.com] 

In this case, it was determined that Windows XP added $52.50 to the price of a Dell PC.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467449</id>
	<title>Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many of you zealots have actually used the W7 release candidate?  From the look of the comments, not many.  It's a fantastic OS already, and I'm betting it will be very successful, increasing Microsoft's market share.</p><p>Oh, but this is slashdot.  Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure.  Get out of the 90's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many of you zealots have actually used the W7 release candidate ?
From the look of the comments , not many .
It 's a fantastic OS already , and I 'm betting it will be very successful , increasing Microsoft 's market share.Oh , but this is slashdot .
Anything Microsoft = bloat , crashes , unsecure .
Get out of the 90 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many of you zealots have actually used the W7 release candidate?
From the look of the comments, not many.
It's a fantastic OS already, and I'm betting it will be very successful, increasing Microsoft's market share.Oh, but this is slashdot.
Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure.
Get out of the 90's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467879</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>lawnboy5-O</author>
	<datestamp>1245951540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>irrelevant unless your point has something to do with how WELL the software works due to understanding the hardware platform intimately.</htmltext>
<tokenext>irrelevant unless your point has something to do with how WELL the software works due to understanding the hardware platform intimately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>irrelevant unless your point has something to do with how WELL the software works due to understanding the hardware platform intimately.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468919</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245955320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MS TechNet provides SHA-1 for all of their isos.  Individual files in the distribution can be checked for digital signature of Windows Publisher.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS TechNet provides SHA-1 for all of their isos .
Individual files in the distribution can be checked for digital signature of Windows Publisher .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS TechNet provides SHA-1 for all of their isos.
Individual files in the distribution can be checked for digital signature of Windows Publisher.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469791</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>Legion303</author>
	<datestamp>1245958560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Best thing to ever feature the MS brand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Best thing to ever feature the MS brand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Best thing to ever feature the MS brand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469305</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone actually buy windows?</title>
	<author>Thaelon</author>
	<datestamp>1245956640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got a free copy of Windows XP by attending the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.NET launch at George Mason University.</p><p>I got another one through my college's MSDN license program as a Computer Science student.</p><p>So I own two legitimate licenses and paid for neither.</p><p>I currently have no plans to pay for a shiny new version with irritating usability features for the braindead like and DRM in the kernel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I got a free copy of Windows XP by attending the .NET launch at George Mason University.I got another one through my college 's MSDN license program as a Computer Science student.So I own two legitimate licenses and paid for neither.I currently have no plans to pay for a shiny new version with irritating usability features for the braindead like and DRM in the kernel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got a free copy of Windows XP by attending the .NET launch at George Mason University.I got another one through my college's MSDN license program as a Computer Science student.So I own two legitimate licenses and paid for neither.I currently have no plans to pay for a shiny new version with irritating usability features for the braindead like and DRM in the kernel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468643</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone actually buy windows?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245954240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In 2008 I dropped $20 each on *two* legit OEM discs, plus a little more for Office 2007.  From my University computer store.  Academic licensing rocks, dude.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In 2008 I dropped $ 20 each on * two * legit OEM discs , plus a little more for Office 2007 .
From my University computer store .
Academic licensing rocks , dude .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 2008 I dropped $20 each on *two* legit OEM discs, plus a little more for Office 2007.
From my University computer store.
Academic licensing rocks, dude.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469475</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>Mister\_Stoopid</author>
	<datestamp>1245957360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure. Get out of the 90's.<br>95 = bloat, crashes, unsecure<br>98 = bloat, crashes, unsecure<br>ME = bloat, crashes, unsecure<br>NT/2k = good<br>XP = somewhat bloat but mostly good<br>Vista = bloat, crashes, unsecure</p><p>To me it looks more like the norm for Microsoft is bloat, crashes, unsecure, and occasionally they get it right on a fluke.  I'll wait a year or so after 7 is officially released to think about evaluating it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Anything Microsoft = bloat , crashes , unsecure .
Get out of the 90 's.95 = bloat , crashes , unsecure98 = bloat , crashes , unsecureME = bloat , crashes , unsecureNT/2k = goodXP = somewhat bloat but mostly goodVista = bloat , crashes , unsecureTo me it looks more like the norm for Microsoft is bloat , crashes , unsecure , and occasionally they get it right on a fluke .
I 'll wait a year or so after 7 is officially released to think about evaluating it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Anything Microsoft = bloat, crashes, unsecure.
Get out of the 90's.95 = bloat, crashes, unsecure98 = bloat, crashes, unsecureME = bloat, crashes, unsecureNT/2k = goodXP = somewhat bloat but mostly goodVista = bloat, crashes, unsecureTo me it looks more like the norm for Microsoft is bloat, crashes, unsecure, and occasionally they get it right on a fluke.
I'll wait a year or so after 7 is officially released to think about evaluating it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467271</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>drsmithy</author>
	<datestamp>1245949140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $30 [...]</i>
</p><p>...If you already have 10.5.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $ 30 [ ... ] ...If you already have 10.5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Snow Leopard is going to be sold for $30 [...]
...If you already have 10.5.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467147</id>
	<title>Value proposition</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1245948720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>200 Buck's, might be worth waiting till the next version of Windows comes out since they are releasing it early and often nowadays.</htmltext>
<tokenext>200 Buck 's , might be worth waiting till the next version of Windows comes out since they are releasing it early and often nowadays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>200 Buck's, might be worth waiting till the next version of Windows comes out since they are releasing it early and often nowadays.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467559</id>
	<title>What exactly do I get?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245950280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What exactly do I get for my hard-earned $199 or $119?</p><p>-A glorified file manager?<br>-Shiny new icons?<br>-a DRM crippled media player, that can only play "approved" formats<br>-Buggy drivers<br>-A "free" web browser, full of security holes<br>-Wordpad, Solitaire, Reversi?<br>-"Promised" compatibility with old software<br>-A crippled email application<br>-A crippled media recorder/editor</p><p>So lets see, I basically get a glorified file manager, and at worst case, need to repurchase new versions of most of the critical applications, unless I do so, my system is mostly useless, unless I'm satisfied with web broswing and typing in wordpad.</p><p>Sorry, not worth it. I'd rather pay/donate to slackware/ubuntu and get a DVD that contains USEFUL software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly do I get for my hard-earned $ 199 or $ 119 ? -A glorified file manager ? -Shiny new icons ? -a DRM crippled media player , that can only play " approved " formats-Buggy drivers-A " free " web browser , full of security holes-Wordpad , Solitaire , Reversi ? - " Promised " compatibility with old software-A crippled email application-A crippled media recorder/editorSo lets see , I basically get a glorified file manager , and at worst case , need to repurchase new versions of most of the critical applications , unless I do so , my system is mostly useless , unless I 'm satisfied with web broswing and typing in wordpad.Sorry , not worth it .
I 'd rather pay/donate to slackware/ubuntu and get a DVD that contains USEFUL software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly do I get for my hard-earned $199 or $119?-A glorified file manager?-Shiny new icons?-a DRM crippled media player, that can only play "approved" formats-Buggy drivers-A "free" web browser, full of security holes-Wordpad, Solitaire, Reversi?-"Promised" compatibility with old software-A crippled email application-A crippled media recorder/editorSo lets see, I basically get a glorified file manager, and at worst case, need to repurchase new versions of most of the critical applications, unless I do so, my system is mostly useless, unless I'm satisfied with web broswing and typing in wordpad.Sorry, not worth it.
I'd rather pay/donate to slackware/ubuntu and get a DVD that contains USEFUL software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468401</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245953460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aha! You are forced to overpay for your standard PC components to make up the true cost of the operating system, OS X.</p><p>The irony is that not a single GNU or BSD distro can charge as much as Apple, apparently because they don't also overcharge for some standard PC parts...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aha !
You are forced to overpay for your standard PC components to make up the true cost of the operating system , OS X.The irony is that not a single GNU or BSD distro can charge as much as Apple , apparently because they do n't also overcharge for some standard PC parts.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aha!
You are forced to overpay for your standard PC components to make up the true cost of the operating system, OS X.The irony is that not a single GNU or BSD distro can charge as much as Apple, apparently because they don't also overcharge for some standard PC parts...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469407</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>webheaded</author>
	<datestamp>1245957060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you kidding me?  I trust the people pirating the software for me more than the people that made the software.  The pirates don't let people down nearly as much.  Their hacks allow people to use the software easier than the people who bought it.  Especially with Microsoft software.  You'd have to be pretty bad at it to actually get a copy of something with a virus in it or something.  Seriously.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you kidding me ?
I trust the people pirating the software for me more than the people that made the software .
The pirates do n't let people down nearly as much .
Their hacks allow people to use the software easier than the people who bought it .
Especially with Microsoft software .
You 'd have to be pretty bad at it to actually get a copy of something with a virus in it or something .
Seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you kidding me?
I trust the people pirating the software for me more than the people that made the software.
The pirates don't let people down nearly as much.
Their hacks allow people to use the software easier than the people who bought it.
Especially with Microsoft software.
You'd have to be pretty bad at it to actually get a copy of something with a virus in it or something.
Seriously.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28472137</id>
	<title>Pewpdaddy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245923640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I smell more Linux users... At least at my house, my children have not yet experienced Winblows and will be introduced to Mandrake or Ubuntu before they have been polluted by this garbage.  A re-hashed version of Vista IMO,  long live solid free OS's  =]  Also who wants to spend $399 to be a guinea pig for all the adware/malware monkeys for the next year until they finally get majority of the bugs worked out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I smell more Linux users... At least at my house , my children have not yet experienced Winblows and will be introduced to Mandrake or Ubuntu before they have been polluted by this garbage .
A re-hashed version of Vista IMO , long live solid free OS 's = ] Also who wants to spend $ 399 to be a guinea pig for all the adware/malware monkeys for the next year until they finally get majority of the bugs worked out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I smell more Linux users... At least at my house, my children have not yet experienced Winblows and will be introduced to Mandrake or Ubuntu before they have been polluted by this garbage.
A re-hashed version of Vista IMO,  long live solid free OS's  =]  Also who wants to spend $399 to be a guinea pig for all the adware/malware monkeys for the next year until they finally get majority of the bugs worked out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28474679</id>
	<title>Re:What exactly do I get?</title>
	<author>dave420</author>
	<datestamp>1245933540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not this tired shit again.  Jesus Christ get a grip.  If you can't be bothered to read <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features\_new\_to\_Windows\_7" title="wikipedia.org">the list of new features to Windows 7</a> [wikipedia.org], why bother posting to slashdot just to show everyone how ignorant you are.  Also:</p><p>1.  The file manager does a lot more than allow you to move files around.<br>2.  The icons, while new and shiny, are merely there for aesthetic reasons, and not a feature in and of themselves<br>3.  Windows Media Player is not crippled, and will play anything thrown at it provided the provider of the content has not explicitly stated they don't want you to (allowing anyone to watch more media on it than any other video player.  With DRM you get *more* content.  But that's not a fashionable thing to say on slashdot, even though it's clearly demonstrably true<br>4.  The drivers aren't buggy.  Windows has WHQL driver certification for drivers, providing excellent drivers.  Any bugs are not from MS but from the companies who wrote the drivers.  Guess what - the same issue affects Linux<br>5.  IE8 isn't as bad as you seem to think.  It's not full of security holes, at least not on Vista and 7<br>6.  Yes, you get those.  And a shit-tonne more.<br>7.  Yes, the compatibility is there, and it's actually fucking impressive.<br>8.  It's not crippled - it's powerful.  It works very well indeed.<br>9.  Media recorder?  Can you be more clear?</p><p>You also missed the fact you get Media Center, Powershell, disk encryption, compatibility with most of the software and hardware out there, and, shit - just go read the list and save yourself more humiliation.  Also, if money's your issue, you can still go and download Open Office and all the other OSS you want, as a great deal of that works in Windows, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not this tired shit again .
Jesus Christ get a grip .
If you ca n't be bothered to read the list of new features to Windows 7 [ wikipedia.org ] , why bother posting to slashdot just to show everyone how ignorant you are .
Also : 1. The file manager does a lot more than allow you to move files around.2 .
The icons , while new and shiny , are merely there for aesthetic reasons , and not a feature in and of themselves3 .
Windows Media Player is not crippled , and will play anything thrown at it provided the provider of the content has not explicitly stated they do n't want you to ( allowing anyone to watch more media on it than any other video player .
With DRM you get * more * content .
But that 's not a fashionable thing to say on slashdot , even though it 's clearly demonstrably true4 .
The drivers are n't buggy .
Windows has WHQL driver certification for drivers , providing excellent drivers .
Any bugs are not from MS but from the companies who wrote the drivers .
Guess what - the same issue affects Linux5 .
IE8 is n't as bad as you seem to think .
It 's not full of security holes , at least not on Vista and 76 .
Yes , you get those .
And a shit-tonne more.7 .
Yes , the compatibility is there , and it 's actually fucking impressive.8 .
It 's not crippled - it 's powerful .
It works very well indeed.9 .
Media recorder ?
Can you be more clear ? You also missed the fact you get Media Center , Powershell , disk encryption , compatibility with most of the software and hardware out there , and , shit - just go read the list and save yourself more humiliation .
Also , if money 's your issue , you can still go and download Open Office and all the other OSS you want , as a great deal of that works in Windows , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not this tired shit again.
Jesus Christ get a grip.
If you can't be bothered to read the list of new features to Windows 7 [wikipedia.org], why bother posting to slashdot just to show everyone how ignorant you are.
Also:1.  The file manager does a lot more than allow you to move files around.2.
The icons, while new and shiny, are merely there for aesthetic reasons, and not a feature in and of themselves3.
Windows Media Player is not crippled, and will play anything thrown at it provided the provider of the content has not explicitly stated they don't want you to (allowing anyone to watch more media on it than any other video player.
With DRM you get *more* content.
But that's not a fashionable thing to say on slashdot, even though it's clearly demonstrably true4.
The drivers aren't buggy.
Windows has WHQL driver certification for drivers, providing excellent drivers.
Any bugs are not from MS but from the companies who wrote the drivers.
Guess what - the same issue affects Linux5.
IE8 isn't as bad as you seem to think.
It's not full of security holes, at least not on Vista and 76.
Yes, you get those.
And a shit-tonne more.7.
Yes, the compatibility is there, and it's actually fucking impressive.8.
It's not crippled - it's powerful.
It works very well indeed.9.
Media recorder?
Can you be more clear?You also missed the fact you get Media Center, Powershell, disk encryption, compatibility with most of the software and hardware out there, and, shit - just go read the list and save yourself more humiliation.
Also, if money's your issue, you can still go and download Open Office and all the other OSS you want, as a great deal of that works in Windows, too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467871</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245951480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And how much did Microsoft pay you to write that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>And how much did Microsoft pay you to write that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how much did Microsoft pay you to write that?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467387</id>
	<title>for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>CohibaVancouver</author>
	<datestamp>1245949620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>[flame suit on]<br> <br>
I know much of slashdot would vehemently disagree, but for the majority of users, Windows comes 'for free' with their PC.  They buy a computer from Dell or whomever and it comes with Windows, then when the buy a new PC 4 or 5 years later, it comes with Windows again.  Virtually no one I know 'buys' the OS - They'll simply get a the newest / latest when they buy a new computer.

<br> <br>


[/flame]</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ flame suit on ] I know much of slashdot would vehemently disagree , but for the majority of users , Windows comes 'for free ' with their PC .
They buy a computer from Dell or whomever and it comes with Windows , then when the buy a new PC 4 or 5 years later , it comes with Windows again .
Virtually no one I know 'buys ' the OS - They 'll simply get a the newest / latest when they buy a new computer .
[ /flame ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[flame suit on] 
I know much of slashdot would vehemently disagree, but for the majority of users, Windows comes 'for free' with their PC.
They buy a computer from Dell or whomever and it comes with Windows, then when the buy a new PC 4 or 5 years later, it comes with Windows again.
Virtually no one I know 'buys' the OS - They'll simply get a the newest / latest when they buy a new computer.
[/flame]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467453</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>vux984</author>
	<datestamp>1245949920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I ended up getting Vista Ultimate.</i></p><p>Me too.</p><p><i>Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.</i></p><p>I however knew what I was getting:</p><p>1) Disk encryption -- in ultimate only (and enterprise which is only by VLA)<br>2) licensed dvd codecs  -- in home prem and ultimate but not in business<br>3) ability to connect to a domain, IIS, etc -- business and ultimate but not home<br>etc</p><p>But if you only bought Vista ultimate based on the handful of exclusive ultimate freebies that came at launch, and the half hearted promise that theird be some more cool stuff... that was idiotic. You should have just bought home premium or business as applicable, and then done an in place key upgrade if / when they ever released a bonus feature that made the ultimate upgrade price worth it to you.</p><p>For me, ultimate was the right choice right out of the gate. The features I wanted to play with were in the box, and I could only get everything i wanted in ultimate.</p><p><i>That will teach me for buying a boxed, non-OEM version of Windows I guess.</i></p><p>Meh, I did that so I'd have I'd have a legit key, 32 and 64 bit disks, and no grey area about whether I could move it from machine to machine, run it in a VM, etc, etc. Of course I bought the 'upgrade' so it cost the same as the oem version, and I knew about the double install trick for doing clean installs. (And I have multiple licenses for XP to legitimize the Vista upgrade.)</p><p>But the lesson that you should be learning is to buy products for what they have today, not to buy them on some vague promise of what they might one day have. That lesson will serve you will in general. For example, if you buy a game console when there are enough games for it out already that you can justify the cost even if no other game ever comes out, then you'll never be disappointed with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ended up getting Vista Ultimate.Me too.Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.I however knew what I was getting : 1 ) Disk encryption -- in ultimate only ( and enterprise which is only by VLA ) 2 ) licensed dvd codecs -- in home prem and ultimate but not in business3 ) ability to connect to a domain , IIS , etc -- business and ultimate but not homeetcBut if you only bought Vista ultimate based on the handful of exclusive ultimate freebies that came at launch , and the half hearted promise that theird be some more cool stuff... that was idiotic .
You should have just bought home premium or business as applicable , and then done an in place key upgrade if / when they ever released a bonus feature that made the ultimate upgrade price worth it to you.For me , ultimate was the right choice right out of the gate .
The features I wanted to play with were in the box , and I could only get everything i wanted in ultimate.That will teach me for buying a boxed , non-OEM version of Windows I guess.Meh , I did that so I 'd have I 'd have a legit key , 32 and 64 bit disks , and no grey area about whether I could move it from machine to machine , run it in a VM , etc , etc .
Of course I bought the 'upgrade ' so it cost the same as the oem version , and I knew about the double install trick for doing clean installs .
( And I have multiple licenses for XP to legitimize the Vista upgrade .
) But the lesson that you should be learning is to buy products for what they have today , not to buy them on some vague promise of what they might one day have .
That lesson will serve you will in general .
For example , if you buy a game console when there are enough games for it out already that you can justify the cost even if no other game ever comes out , then you 'll never be disappointed with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I ended up getting Vista Ultimate.Me too.Never saw ANY of the benefits/Ultimate Content that was promised.I however knew what I was getting:1) Disk encryption -- in ultimate only (and enterprise which is only by VLA)2) licensed dvd codecs  -- in home prem and ultimate but not in business3) ability to connect to a domain, IIS, etc -- business and ultimate but not homeetcBut if you only bought Vista ultimate based on the handful of exclusive ultimate freebies that came at launch, and the half hearted promise that theird be some more cool stuff... that was idiotic.
You should have just bought home premium or business as applicable, and then done an in place key upgrade if / when they ever released a bonus feature that made the ultimate upgrade price worth it to you.For me, ultimate was the right choice right out of the gate.
The features I wanted to play with were in the box, and I could only get everything i wanted in ultimate.That will teach me for buying a boxed, non-OEM version of Windows I guess.Meh, I did that so I'd have I'd have a legit key, 32 and 64 bit disks, and no grey area about whether I could move it from machine to machine, run it in a VM, etc, etc.
Of course I bought the 'upgrade' so it cost the same as the oem version, and I knew about the double install trick for doing clean installs.
(And I have multiple licenses for XP to legitimize the Vista upgrade.
)But the lesson that you should be learning is to buy products for what they have today, not to buy them on some vague promise of what they might one day have.
That lesson will serve you will in general.
For example, if you buy a game console when there are enough games for it out already that you can justify the cost even if no other game ever comes out, then you'll never be disappointed with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468439</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245953580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're installing a closed-source OS anyway. What makes you think that Microsoft and the OEM that customises the disks are more trustworthy than a torrent site?<br> <br>Or did you want the MD5 for checking that the torrent downloaded properly? Bittorrent does that itself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're installing a closed-source OS anyway .
What makes you think that Microsoft and the OEM that customises the disks are more trustworthy than a torrent site ?
Or did you want the MD5 for checking that the torrent downloaded properly ?
Bittorrent does that itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're installing a closed-source OS anyway.
What makes you think that Microsoft and the OEM that customises the disks are more trustworthy than a torrent site?
Or did you want the MD5 for checking that the torrent downloaded properly?
Bittorrent does that itself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28472405</id>
	<title>Re:IMO...</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1245924480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you saying they should put a steep discount on the OS?<br>Or that they shouldn't put as much functionality in it as they do?</p><p>Cos XP is worth far more than that out of the box, and if you don't hate it Vista is worth far more than XP.  And 7 is apparently just Vista without some of the annoying crap.</p><p>Most of the drivers you would need are included, certainly almost any typical hardware like mouse, keyboard, printer, scanner, lots of modems.  It includes basic word processing, a web browser, SMTP mail via Outlook, media player, file sharing... you can do piles of stuff without ever installing anything.  It includes a lot of system utilities already.</p><p>So how should they get down to an $80 value?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you saying they should put a steep discount on the OS ? Or that they should n't put as much functionality in it as they do ? Cos XP is worth far more than that out of the box , and if you do n't hate it Vista is worth far more than XP .
And 7 is apparently just Vista without some of the annoying crap.Most of the drivers you would need are included , certainly almost any typical hardware like mouse , keyboard , printer , scanner , lots of modems .
It includes basic word processing , a web browser , SMTP mail via Outlook , media player , file sharing... you can do piles of stuff without ever installing anything .
It includes a lot of system utilities already.So how should they get down to an $ 80 value ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you saying they should put a steep discount on the OS?Or that they shouldn't put as much functionality in it as they do?Cos XP is worth far more than that out of the box, and if you don't hate it Vista is worth far more than XP.
And 7 is apparently just Vista without some of the annoying crap.Most of the drivers you would need are included, certainly almost any typical hardware like mouse, keyboard, printer, scanner, lots of modems.
It includes basic word processing, a web browser, SMTP mail via Outlook, media player, file sharing... you can do piles of stuff without ever installing anything.
It includes a lot of system utilities already.So how should they get down to an $80 value?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468179</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1245952560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>MS should give the crippled version away free</i></p><p>Except this flies in the face of Microsoft's culture.  'Free' is not for countries that have consumers that can easily pay for a windows license.</p><p><i>Then drop your tiered pricing by a lot.</i><br>If executives could handle that idea, shareholders would be mad as hell so it probably will never happen.</p><p>Sadly, summaries like this draw strong opinions and then the comments just follow in the same vein.   This thread in particular is drawing the anti-Microsoft crowd.  I'd like to know what happy Microsoft consumers are thinking.</p><p>For pessimists, this is the start of a slow-motion implosion similar to Nortel and GM.  I have a hard time seeing how/where Microsoft is attracting new customers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MS should give the crippled version away freeExcept this flies in the face of Microsoft 's culture .
'Free ' is not for countries that have consumers that can easily pay for a windows license.Then drop your tiered pricing by a lot.If executives could handle that idea , shareholders would be mad as hell so it probably will never happen.Sadly , summaries like this draw strong opinions and then the comments just follow in the same vein .
This thread in particular is drawing the anti-Microsoft crowd .
I 'd like to know what happy Microsoft consumers are thinking.For pessimists , this is the start of a slow-motion implosion similar to Nortel and GM .
I have a hard time seeing how/where Microsoft is attracting new customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS should give the crippled version away freeExcept this flies in the face of Microsoft's culture.
'Free' is not for countries that have consumers that can easily pay for a windows license.Then drop your tiered pricing by a lot.If executives could handle that idea, shareholders would be mad as hell so it probably will never happen.Sadly, summaries like this draw strong opinions and then the comments just follow in the same vein.
This thread in particular is drawing the anti-Microsoft crowd.
I'd like to know what happy Microsoft consumers are thinking.For pessimists, this is the start of a slow-motion implosion similar to Nortel and GM.
I have a hard time seeing how/where Microsoft is attracting new customers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469685</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245958200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why doesn't Microsoft just post the md5 so we can download a verified copy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does n't Microsoft just post the md5 so we can download a verified copy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why doesn't Microsoft just post the md5 so we can download a verified copy?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28477869</id>
	<title>Re:So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>Allador</author>
	<datestamp>1245954900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You cant compare education pricing to the real world.  Educational pricing for MS software is like 10-cents on the dollar, or thereabouts.</p><p>Plus much of the time the deal the school has with MS includes 'home use' rights for a pittance, which is not much more than the price of labor &amp; materials to burn a new CD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You cant compare education pricing to the real world .
Educational pricing for MS software is like 10-cents on the dollar , or thereabouts.Plus much of the time the deal the school has with MS includes 'home use ' rights for a pittance , which is not much more than the price of labor &amp; materials to burn a new CD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You cant compare education pricing to the real world.
Educational pricing for MS software is like 10-cents on the dollar, or thereabouts.Plus much of the time the deal the school has with MS includes 'home use' rights for a pittance, which is not much more than the price of labor &amp; materials to burn a new CD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467407</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>gweilo8888</author>
	<datestamp>1245949680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ditto. Resisted upgrading from XP to Vista for a long time, finally gave up a year ago after somebody I trusted insisted it was stable and better than XP. I've regretted my decision ever since.<br>
<br>
Given that Win 7 is essentially just a Vista service pack by another name, I will not be paying several hundred bucks to upgrade. I'll stick with XP until it is unsupported, and then I'll switch away from Microsoft altogether.<br>
<br>
$30-40 I might just have considered paying, after trying Win7 myself to confirm that the problems were solved. What *should* have happened, though, was a free upgrade to the equivalent version for anybody who returned a retail copy of Vista, and a $30-40 paid upgrade to Win7 or a free downgrade to WinXP for anybody who bought a PC with Vista included.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ditto .
Resisted upgrading from XP to Vista for a long time , finally gave up a year ago after somebody I trusted insisted it was stable and better than XP .
I 've regretted my decision ever since .
Given that Win 7 is essentially just a Vista service pack by another name , I will not be paying several hundred bucks to upgrade .
I 'll stick with XP until it is unsupported , and then I 'll switch away from Microsoft altogether .
$ 30-40 I might just have considered paying , after trying Win7 myself to confirm that the problems were solved .
What * should * have happened , though , was a free upgrade to the equivalent version for anybody who returned a retail copy of Vista , and a $ 30-40 paid upgrade to Win7 or a free downgrade to WinXP for anybody who bought a PC with Vista included .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ditto.
Resisted upgrading from XP to Vista for a long time, finally gave up a year ago after somebody I trusted insisted it was stable and better than XP.
I've regretted my decision ever since.
Given that Win 7 is essentially just a Vista service pack by another name, I will not be paying several hundred bucks to upgrade.
I'll stick with XP until it is unsupported, and then I'll switch away from Microsoft altogether.
$30-40 I might just have considered paying, after trying Win7 myself to confirm that the problems were solved.
What *should* have happened, though, was a free upgrade to the equivalent version for anybody who returned a retail copy of Vista, and a $30-40 paid upgrade to Win7 or a free downgrade to WinXP for anybody who bought a PC with Vista included.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468001</id>
	<title>Re:IMO...</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1245951900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>An OS should never cost more than $80.</p><p>System Utilities should never cost more than $40.</p><p>Games should never cost more than $50.</p><p>Productivity apps can cost whatever, based on the size of their target market.</p></div><p>Those are the prices I grew up knowing. True inflation has got to be biting these companies in the ass. Dos 5 was $90 if I recall. I also remember games sold on the 5-1/4 floppies in the huge boxes going for $50 and seeing the Sierra games listed in their catalog at something like $75. With all the inflation, that $50 can't be worth what it was back in the day even though it still feels like a chunk of change.</p><p>This is not a defense of Microsoft's prices, more just shaking my head in bewilderment at inflation. I know I damn well won't pay $100 for a game, no matter how good it is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>An OS should never cost more than $ 80.System Utilities should never cost more than $ 40.Games should never cost more than $ 50.Productivity apps can cost whatever , based on the size of their target market.Those are the prices I grew up knowing .
True inflation has got to be biting these companies in the ass .
Dos 5 was $ 90 if I recall .
I also remember games sold on the 5-1/4 floppies in the huge boxes going for $ 50 and seeing the Sierra games listed in their catalog at something like $ 75 .
With all the inflation , that $ 50 ca n't be worth what it was back in the day even though it still feels like a chunk of change.This is not a defense of Microsoft 's prices , more just shaking my head in bewilderment at inflation .
I know I damn well wo n't pay $ 100 for a game , no matter how good it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An OS should never cost more than $80.System Utilities should never cost more than $40.Games should never cost more than $50.Productivity apps can cost whatever, based on the size of their target market.Those are the prices I grew up knowing.
True inflation has got to be biting these companies in the ass.
Dos 5 was $90 if I recall.
I also remember games sold on the 5-1/4 floppies in the huge boxes going for $50 and seeing the Sierra games listed in their catalog at something like $75.
With all the inflation, that $50 can't be worth what it was back in the day even though it still feels like a chunk of change.This is not a defense of Microsoft's prices, more just shaking my head in bewilderment at inflation.
I know I damn well won't pay $100 for a game, no matter how good it is.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467301</id>
	<title>Not in Europe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're missing the bigger picture. MS is selling a version without IE in Europe, at increased prices, and you have to erase and install.<p>
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8118749.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8118749.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're missing the bigger picture .
MS is selling a version without IE in Europe , at increased prices , and you have to erase and install .
http : //news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8118749.stm [ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're missing the bigger picture.
MS is selling a version without IE in Europe, at increased prices, and you have to erase and install.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8118749.stm [bbc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468689</id>
	<title>Re:Do not hate me.</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1245954360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've seen pretty much the same thing with my Windows 7 install. Sad thing is that Ubuntu's unstable with the SATA drivers on the same machine (keeps disconnecting drives under heavy load), so I'm seriously considering switching the machine to 100\% Windows<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen pretty much the same thing with my Windows 7 install .
Sad thing is that Ubuntu 's unstable with the SATA drivers on the same machine ( keeps disconnecting drives under heavy load ) , so I 'm seriously considering switching the machine to 100 \ % Windows : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen pretty much the same thing with my Windows 7 install.
Sad thing is that Ubuntu's unstable with the SATA drivers on the same machine (keeps disconnecting drives under heavy load), so I'm seriously considering switching the machine to 100\% Windows :(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468535</id>
	<title>Re:IMO...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245953880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I should be surrounded by beautiful naked women 24/7!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I should be surrounded by beautiful naked women 24/7 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I should be surrounded by beautiful naked women 24/7!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470551</id>
	<title>Re:Do not hate me.</title>
	<author>Iberian</author>
	<datestamp>1245961500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There must be a bug with some machines. My Asus eee pc 1000h installed from a USB drive in about 17 minutes to full ready to use W7.  Two other newer desktops with new intel CPU's took almost an hour. Both Asus mobos ironically enough. The VM install on Fusion took 1+ hour as well. There is a write up on HardOCP and their install was quick.</p><p>Not sure what the deal is but hopefully some larger data sets can turn up something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There must be a bug with some machines .
My Asus eee pc 1000h installed from a USB drive in about 17 minutes to full ready to use W7 .
Two other newer desktops with new intel CPU 's took almost an hour .
Both Asus mobos ironically enough .
The VM install on Fusion took 1 + hour as well .
There is a write up on HardOCP and their install was quick.Not sure what the deal is but hopefully some larger data sets can turn up something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There must be a bug with some machines.
My Asus eee pc 1000h installed from a USB drive in about 17 minutes to full ready to use W7.
Two other newer desktops with new intel CPU's took almost an hour.
Both Asus mobos ironically enough.
The VM install on Fusion took 1+ hour as well.
There is a write up on HardOCP and their install was quick.Not sure what the deal is but hopefully some larger data sets can turn up something.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469173</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1245956100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it.</i></p><p>The won't. They (like the record and movie companies) believe that anybody who would pirate it wouldn't buy it no matter what the price, as long as the price is above "free", and that their wares are so wonderful and everyone has a limitless supply of money so everyone but pirates will pay any price they want to charge..</p><p>It's an incredibly stupid, belief, but they believe it anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it.The wo n't .
They ( like the record and movie companies ) believe that anybody who would pirate it would n't buy it no matter what the price , as long as the price is above " free " , and that their wares are so wonderful and everyone has a limitless supply of money so everyone but pirates will pay any price they want to charge..It 's an incredibly stupid , belief , but they believe it anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it.The won't.
They (like the record and movie companies) believe that anybody who would pirate it wouldn't buy it no matter what the price, as long as the price is above "free", and that their wares are so wonderful and everyone has a limitless supply of money so everyone but pirates will pay any price they want to charge..It's an incredibly stupid, belief, but they believe it anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470907</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>vux984</author>
	<datestamp>1245963060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And how much did Microsoft pay you to write that?</i></p><p>Yeah. Microsoft paid me to agree with the parent poster that the Vista Ultimate extra's were a complete sham. And to take a shot at their OEM licensing restrictions. Not to mention how I talked about the double install trick to work around the idiotic restriction in the upgrade disk without having to shell out for the over priced full version.</p><p>Yeah, Microsoft paid me handsomely for all that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how much did Microsoft pay you to write that ? Yeah .
Microsoft paid me to agree with the parent poster that the Vista Ultimate extra 's were a complete sham .
And to take a shot at their OEM licensing restrictions .
Not to mention how I talked about the double install trick to work around the idiotic restriction in the upgrade disk without having to shell out for the over priced full version.Yeah , Microsoft paid me handsomely for all that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how much did Microsoft pay you to write that?Yeah.
Microsoft paid me to agree with the parent poster that the Vista Ultimate extra's were a complete sham.
And to take a shot at their OEM licensing restrictions.
Not to mention how I talked about the double install trick to work around the idiotic restriction in the upgrade disk without having to shell out for the over priced full version.Yeah, Microsoft paid me handsomely for all that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468707</id>
	<title>Re:IMO...</title>
	<author>jank1887</author>
	<datestamp>1245954480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want to know how in the '90s it became acceptable for games to cost $50.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to know how in the '90s it became acceptable for games to cost $ 50 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to know how in the '90s it became acceptable for games to cost $50.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467233</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>roemcke</author>
	<datestamp>1245949020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They don't expect people to buy stuff at those prices. The prices are high so that they can pressure OEMs into making shady deals.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't expect people to buy stuff at those prices .
The prices are high so that they can pressure OEMs into making shady deals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't expect people to buy stuff at those prices.
The prices are high so that they can pressure OEMs into making shady deals.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467097</id>
	<title>Overpriced.</title>
	<author>barnyjr</author>
	<datestamp>1245948480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeesh... apple is releasing snow leopard for $29 and microsoft is still pricing stuff like this?  When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeesh... apple is releasing snow leopard for $ 29 and microsoft is still pricing stuff like this ?
When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeesh... apple is releasing snow leopard for $29 and microsoft is still pricing stuff like this?
When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468441</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245953640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>MS should give the crippled version away free.</p> </div><p>If you want something that isn't crippled, buy a Mac. All Windows is crippled in their own way. If you want something free, not crippled, but with a little maintenance, install some flavor of Linux.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>MS should give the crippled version away free .
If you want something that is n't crippled , buy a Mac .
All Windows is crippled in their own way .
If you want something free , not crippled , but with a little maintenance , install some flavor of Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS should give the crippled version away free.
If you want something that isn't crippled, buy a Mac.
All Windows is crippled in their own way.
If you want something free, not crippled, but with a little maintenance, install some flavor of Linux.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469435</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>grumpyman</author>
	<datestamp>1245957180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it.</p><p>

MS are not dumb - because with their current pricing will squeeze more $$$ from their user-base (customers and pirates). I.e. 100 @ $139 + 200 @ $0 is better than 300 @ $39.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it .
MS are not dumb - because with their current pricing will squeeze more $ $ $ from their user-base ( customers and pirates ) .
I.e. 100 @ $ 139 + 200 @ $ 0 is better than 300 @ $ 39 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When will they learn that a lower price will likely increase the number of people willing to pay for it instead of pirating it.
MS are not dumb - because with their current pricing will squeeze more $$$ from their user-base (customers and pirates).
I.e. 100 @ $139 + 200 @ $0 is better than 300 @ $39.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467947</id>
	<title>I'm upgrading to Snow Leopard for $9.95.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245951720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those who bought new computers from Apple after June 8 get it for $9.95 to cover shipping and handling.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those who bought new computers from Apple after June 8 get it for $ 9.95 to cover shipping and handling .
: )  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those who bought new computers from Apple after June 8 get it for $9.95 to cover shipping and handling.
:)
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28475147</id>
	<title>You Microsoft, You.</title>
	<author>atramentum</author>
	<datestamp>1245935460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>They should sell full versions (not upgrades) of every OS they've ever built for $35 (OEM only, no end user support).

Then sell their current release at $60 upgrade / $70 new - and offer their genuine validation service at $35 to convert illegitimate installs to new keys.

If it was $60 or $70 I would think, "Oh that's just about 1.5 tanks of gas.  So I'll take a Win 7, 4 xp's, a 2000, and just for kicks give me one '98."  There's $280 for MSFT, and I would actually feel satisfied that it was a fair purchase.

The only reason why I bought a legit copy of XP was because eventually nothing useful would install without having sp2 updates.  The only reason why I will upgrade is either lack of 3rd party development, or significant performance benefit from new OS's.

The only reason why I bought Office 2007 was because it was on sale for a while, at about $50 (student) for the full version.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They should sell full versions ( not upgrades ) of every OS they 've ever built for $ 35 ( OEM only , no end user support ) .
Then sell their current release at $ 60 upgrade / $ 70 new - and offer their genuine validation service at $ 35 to convert illegitimate installs to new keys .
If it was $ 60 or $ 70 I would think , " Oh that 's just about 1.5 tanks of gas .
So I 'll take a Win 7 , 4 xp 's , a 2000 , and just for kicks give me one '98 .
" There 's $ 280 for MSFT , and I would actually feel satisfied that it was a fair purchase .
The only reason why I bought a legit copy of XP was because eventually nothing useful would install without having sp2 updates .
The only reason why I will upgrade is either lack of 3rd party development , or significant performance benefit from new OS 's .
The only reason why I bought Office 2007 was because it was on sale for a while , at about $ 50 ( student ) for the full version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should sell full versions (not upgrades) of every OS they've ever built for $35 (OEM only, no end user support).
Then sell their current release at $60 upgrade / $70 new - and offer their genuine validation service at $35 to convert illegitimate installs to new keys.
If it was $60 or $70 I would think, "Oh that's just about 1.5 tanks of gas.
So I'll take a Win 7, 4 xp's, a 2000, and just for kicks give me one '98.
"  There's $280 for MSFT, and I would actually feel satisfied that it was a fair purchase.
The only reason why I bought a legit copy of XP was because eventually nothing useful would install without having sp2 updates.
The only reason why I will upgrade is either lack of 3rd party development, or significant performance benefit from new OS's.
The only reason why I bought Office 2007 was because it was on sale for a while, at about $50 (student) for the full version.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28483421</id>
	<title>Re:The answer is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246033920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>more like it's the same malware, except now it's free malware!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>more like it 's the same malware , except now it 's free malware !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>more like it's the same malware, except now it's free malware!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468799</id>
	<title>Re:Fear of Windows 7</title>
	<author>funkatron</author>
	<datestamp>1245954840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've just loaded up the release candidate in a VM. While it's pretty, there are still some problems. First, minesweeper won't work on my virtual graphics card (stupid design decision). Second, it's told me to install antivirus. Call me oldfashioned but if I NEED a piece of software shouldn't it be installed by default.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've just loaded up the release candidate in a VM .
While it 's pretty , there are still some problems .
First , minesweeper wo n't work on my virtual graphics card ( stupid design decision ) .
Second , it 's told me to install antivirus .
Call me oldfashioned but if I NEED a piece of software should n't it be installed by default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've just loaded up the release candidate in a VM.
While it's pretty, there are still some problems.
First, minesweeper won't work on my virtual graphics card (stupid design decision).
Second, it's told me to install antivirus.
Call me oldfashioned but if I NEED a piece of software shouldn't it be installed by default.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28470927</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>DannyO152</author>
	<datestamp>1245963120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple's case against PsyStar isn't about the way Psystar used deep voodoo to get boxed OS X onto their systems. It's that Apple's terms of sale, as outlined in the EULA, do not allow for its use in the manner Psystar wishes, nay, have built their business model around. Psystar disagrees and off to court every one goes.</p><p>Your retail or upgrade Snow Leopard won't do a thing for you if you have a PowerPC processor. That's a technical issue. Apple will not release builds for that architecture.</p><p>There were a few months where Intel Macs were available in advance of Leopard. Any of those people who did not upgrade to Leopard, and saved their $129, will have to pay $129 to upgrade to Snow Leopard. So they saved $29 for the delay. They could save $158 by staying on Tiger.</p><p>The box sets are complete. You may install from scratch without providing any details about prior operating systems installed. Since operating systems prior to Tiger could not be installed on Intel systems, as a practical matter, there are two types of upgrades that may occur this go around. It has been Apple's policy that every boxed upgrade will install over any prior version. Of course, that may change next go round.</p><p>I am intrigued, as an upgrade eligible Mac user, how adamantly they will enforce the $29/$129 pricing. I'm wondering if to get $29 Snow Leopard there has to be some mechanism whereby you identify the systems and get a coupon from Apple online which may be used at the Apple store or for direct download. It may be only direct download and Software Update, which already knows the version of the installed os, is involved.  Maybe there will be four SKUs on the shelf in September: Upgrade, Upgrade Family, Snow Leopard, Snow Leopard Family, instead of the two, but this seems like a waste of paper and materials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple 's case against PsyStar is n't about the way Psystar used deep voodoo to get boxed OS X onto their systems .
It 's that Apple 's terms of sale , as outlined in the EULA , do not allow for its use in the manner Psystar wishes , nay , have built their business model around .
Psystar disagrees and off to court every one goes.Your retail or upgrade Snow Leopard wo n't do a thing for you if you have a PowerPC processor .
That 's a technical issue .
Apple will not release builds for that architecture.There were a few months where Intel Macs were available in advance of Leopard .
Any of those people who did not upgrade to Leopard , and saved their $ 129 , will have to pay $ 129 to upgrade to Snow Leopard .
So they saved $ 29 for the delay .
They could save $ 158 by staying on Tiger.The box sets are complete .
You may install from scratch without providing any details about prior operating systems installed .
Since operating systems prior to Tiger could not be installed on Intel systems , as a practical matter , there are two types of upgrades that may occur this go around .
It has been Apple 's policy that every boxed upgrade will install over any prior version .
Of course , that may change next go round.I am intrigued , as an upgrade eligible Mac user , how adamantly they will enforce the $ 29/ $ 129 pricing .
I 'm wondering if to get $ 29 Snow Leopard there has to be some mechanism whereby you identify the systems and get a coupon from Apple online which may be used at the Apple store or for direct download .
It may be only direct download and Software Update , which already knows the version of the installed os , is involved .
Maybe there will be four SKUs on the shelf in September : Upgrade , Upgrade Family , Snow Leopard , Snow Leopard Family , instead of the two , but this seems like a waste of paper and materials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple's case against PsyStar isn't about the way Psystar used deep voodoo to get boxed OS X onto their systems.
It's that Apple's terms of sale, as outlined in the EULA, do not allow for its use in the manner Psystar wishes, nay, have built their business model around.
Psystar disagrees and off to court every one goes.Your retail or upgrade Snow Leopard won't do a thing for you if you have a PowerPC processor.
That's a technical issue.
Apple will not release builds for that architecture.There were a few months where Intel Macs were available in advance of Leopard.
Any of those people who did not upgrade to Leopard, and saved their $129, will have to pay $129 to upgrade to Snow Leopard.
So they saved $29 for the delay.
They could save $158 by staying on Tiger.The box sets are complete.
You may install from scratch without providing any details about prior operating systems installed.
Since operating systems prior to Tiger could not be installed on Intel systems, as a practical matter, there are two types of upgrades that may occur this go around.
It has been Apple's policy that every boxed upgrade will install over any prior version.
Of course, that may change next go round.I am intrigued, as an upgrade eligible Mac user, how adamantly they will enforce the $29/$129 pricing.
I'm wondering if to get $29 Snow Leopard there has to be some mechanism whereby you identify the systems and get a coupon from Apple online which may be used at the Apple store or for direct download.
It may be only direct download and Software Update, which already knows the version of the installed os, is involved.
Maybe there will be four SKUs on the shelf in September: Upgrade, Upgrade Family, Snow Leopard, Snow Leopard Family, instead of the two, but this seems like a waste of paper and materials.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468305</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245953040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, ummmm, . . . did you figure that out all by yourself?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , ummmm , .
. .
did you figure that out all by yourself ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, ummmm, .
. .
did you figure that out all by yourself?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468865</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1245955140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The upgrade from Vista to Win7 will be free.  Just wait for The Pirate Bay to announce the special upgrade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The upgrade from Vista to Win7 will be free .
Just wait for The Pirate Bay to announce the special upgrade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The upgrade from Vista to Win7 will be free.
Just wait for The Pirate Bay to announce the special upgrade.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468695</id>
	<title>Through a glass, darkly</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1245954420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>When was the last time someone actually went out specifically to buy a copy?</i> </p><p>Today:</p><p> <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/software/229655/ref=pd\_zg\_hrsr\_sw\_1\_3" title="amazon.com">The most popular items in Microsoft Windows. Updated hourly.</a> [amazon.com] </p><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/software/ref=pd\_ts\_sw\_bcrm\_software" title="amazon.com">Software Best Sellers</a> [amazon.com] </p><p>24. Windows XP Home SP2 1056 Days In The Top 100.</p><p><i>the few people people that have legal copies have them because they were bundled with the computer they bought</i> </p><p>In other words as close to 100\% of the home and SOHO markets for the last twenty-five years as makes no difference.</p><p>sThe geek really, really, needs to spend less time looking in the mirror.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When was the last time someone actually went out specifically to buy a copy ?
Today : The most popular items in Microsoft Windows .
Updated hourly .
[ amazon.com ] Software Best Sellers [ amazon.com ] 24 .
Windows XP Home SP2 1056 Days In The Top 100.the few people people that have legal copies have them because they were bundled with the computer they bought In other words as close to 100 \ % of the home and SOHO markets for the last twenty-five years as makes no difference.sThe geek really , really , needs to spend less time looking in the mirror .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When was the last time someone actually went out specifically to buy a copy?
Today: The most popular items in Microsoft Windows.
Updated hourly.
[amazon.com] Software Best Sellers [amazon.com] 24.
Windows XP Home SP2 1056 Days In The Top 100.the few people people that have legal copies have them because they were bundled with the computer they bought In other words as close to 100\% of the home and SOHO markets for the last twenty-five years as makes no difference.sThe geek really, really, needs to spend less time looking in the mirror.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467253</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Until you can install OS X on non-Apple hardware, I doubt Apple is going to make inroads selling their OS.

And who buys retail Windows?  People who build their own computers know enough to buy OEM, and the average consumer upgrades when they buy a new computer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Until you can install OS X on non-Apple hardware , I doubt Apple is going to make inroads selling their OS .
And who buys retail Windows ?
People who build their own computers know enough to buy OEM , and the average consumer upgrades when they buy a new computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until you can install OS X on non-Apple hardware, I doubt Apple is going to make inroads selling their OS.
And who buys retail Windows?
People who build their own computers know enough to buy OEM, and the average consumer upgrades when they buy a new computer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468183</id>
	<title>As a Mac user...</title>
	<author>geoffrobinson</author>
	<datestamp>1245952560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>let me say I overpay for hardware so I can use a nice Unix operating system with a great GUI without the need to tinker with it like Linux. Plus, I get more app support than Linux.</p><p>I'm paying extra so I don't have to use Windows. It's my decision and I think it is worth every penny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>let me say I overpay for hardware so I can use a nice Unix operating system with a great GUI without the need to tinker with it like Linux .
Plus , I get more app support than Linux.I 'm paying extra so I do n't have to use Windows .
It 's my decision and I think it is worth every penny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>let me say I overpay for hardware so I can use a nice Unix operating system with a great GUI without the need to tinker with it like Linux.
Plus, I get more app support than Linux.I'm paying extra so I don't have to use Windows.
It's my decision and I think it is worth every penny.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467269</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245949140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most of the people who will pay $29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardware.  How many vista users bought their hardware from microsoft?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the people who will pay $ 29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardware .
How many vista users bought their hardware from microsoft ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the people who will pay $29 for snow leopard paid apple for their hardware.
How many vista users bought their hardware from microsoft?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468045</id>
	<title>Re:Ultimate Rip-Off</title>
	<author>Rolgar</author>
	<datestamp>1245952080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you pre-order, you can upgrade from Vista for half of these prices.  Limited time, don't wait!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you pre-order , you can upgrade from Vista for half of these prices .
Limited time , do n't wait !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you pre-order, you can upgrade from Vista for half of these prices.
Limited time, don't wait!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28476555</id>
	<title>Re:So how much does it cost?</title>
	<author>Shados</author>
	<datestamp>1245944160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Educational pricing aside, thats always how commercial software works when it comes from the big companies (Microsoft, Oracle, etc).</p><p>Take MSDN Subscriptions for example.</p><p>1 year subscription, 2000$~ (Im making numbers up, but the proportion is accurate)<br>2 year subscription, 2250$~<br>3 year subscription, 2350$</p><p>See where this is going?</p><p>Where i'm working for is a corporation that is not educational or charity in nature (nowhere close...making billions in profit), and Microsoft sells us Windows and Office for something silly like a few douzan dollars per seat for all of it together, including sharepoint enterprise CAL and whatsnot, and we only pay at the end of a given period of time (so if someone gets hired and then quit before the period is up, we dont pay for them).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Educational pricing aside , thats always how commercial software works when it comes from the big companies ( Microsoft , Oracle , etc ) .Take MSDN Subscriptions for example.1 year subscription , 2000 $ ~ ( Im making numbers up , but the proportion is accurate ) 2 year subscription , 2250 $ ~ 3 year subscription , 2350 $ See where this is going ? Where i 'm working for is a corporation that is not educational or charity in nature ( nowhere close...making billions in profit ) , and Microsoft sells us Windows and Office for something silly like a few douzan dollars per seat for all of it together , including sharepoint enterprise CAL and whatsnot , and we only pay at the end of a given period of time ( so if someone gets hired and then quit before the period is up , we dont pay for them ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Educational pricing aside, thats always how commercial software works when it comes from the big companies (Microsoft, Oracle, etc).Take MSDN Subscriptions for example.1 year subscription, 2000$~ (Im making numbers up, but the proportion is accurate)2 year subscription, 2250$~3 year subscription, 2350$See where this is going?Where i'm working for is a corporation that is not educational or charity in nature (nowhere close...making billions in profit), and Microsoft sells us Windows and Office for something silly like a few douzan dollars per seat for all of it together, including sharepoint enterprise CAL and whatsnot, and we only pay at the end of a given period of time (so if someone gets hired and then quit before the period is up, we dont pay for them).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469737</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>adamstew</author>
	<datestamp>1245958380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple completed their intel transition in August of 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple\_intel\_transition).  It will be september when Snow Leopard is released.  This will be full 3 years from the last Power PC processor shipped by apple.</p><p>Eventually, apple will have to stop updating the old platform so that they can move forward and advance their current one.  I consider 3 years to be the useful lifespan of a computer.</p><p>The intel transition was ANNOUNCED in June of 2005 and started in January of 2006.  Anyone who bought an Apple after June of 2005 knew that the Power PC platform was just declared dead and should have expected this day to come.  That's over 4 full years from the announced "End of Life" for the platform.  I think the Power PC drop is expected and very reasonable, if not overdue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple completed their intel transition in August of 2006 ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple \ _intel \ _transition ) .
It will be september when Snow Leopard is released .
This will be full 3 years from the last Power PC processor shipped by apple.Eventually , apple will have to stop updating the old platform so that they can move forward and advance their current one .
I consider 3 years to be the useful lifespan of a computer.The intel transition was ANNOUNCED in June of 2005 and started in January of 2006 .
Anyone who bought an Apple after June of 2005 knew that the Power PC platform was just declared dead and should have expected this day to come .
That 's over 4 full years from the announced " End of Life " for the platform .
I think the Power PC drop is expected and very reasonable , if not overdue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple completed their intel transition in August of 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple\_intel\_transition).
It will be september when Snow Leopard is released.
This will be full 3 years from the last Power PC processor shipped by apple.Eventually, apple will have to stop updating the old platform so that they can move forward and advance their current one.
I consider 3 years to be the useful lifespan of a computer.The intel transition was ANNOUNCED in June of 2005 and started in January of 2006.
Anyone who bought an Apple after June of 2005 knew that the Power PC platform was just declared dead and should have expected this day to come.
That's over 4 full years from the announced "End of Life" for the platform.
I think the Power PC drop is expected and very reasonable, if not overdue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467841</id>
	<title>Re:Wow, $319US!</title>
	<author>WndrBr3d</author>
	<datestamp>1245951300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh yeah, because Ubuntu has never had remote exploit. Ever.</p><p>Who mods this crap?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yeah , because Ubuntu has never had remote exploit .
Ever.Who mods this crap ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah, because Ubuntu has never had remote exploit.
Ever.Who mods this crap?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467717</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1245950880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Prices of previous OS X upgrades haven't been exactly cheap either and seem to come 2 or 3 times for every one for Windows. Unless you skip them, chances are you're paying as much as Windows costs for an upgrade anyway.
<p>
That doesn't excuse Microsoft, but the point is Apple aren't exactly better. Especially if you drop a few point releases behind you may as well not exist as far as most new software is concerned. At least Windows tends to be better supported as well for its lifetime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Prices of previous OS X upgrades have n't been exactly cheap either and seem to come 2 or 3 times for every one for Windows .
Unless you skip them , chances are you 're paying as much as Windows costs for an upgrade anyway .
That does n't excuse Microsoft , but the point is Apple are n't exactly better .
Especially if you drop a few point releases behind you may as well not exist as far as most new software is concerned .
At least Windows tends to be better supported as well for its lifetime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prices of previous OS X upgrades haven't been exactly cheap either and seem to come 2 or 3 times for every one for Windows.
Unless you skip them, chances are you're paying as much as Windows costs for an upgrade anyway.
That doesn't excuse Microsoft, but the point is Apple aren't exactly better.
Especially if you drop a few point releases behind you may as well not exist as far as most new software is concerned.
At least Windows tends to be better supported as well for its lifetime.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28476497</id>
	<title>Re:How....</title>
	<author>GaryPatterson</author>
	<datestamp>1245943740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All these years, and still there are people who don't get that Apple's numbering system is non-standard.</p><p>Every OS X.n is a major release.<br>Every OS X.n.o.p is a minor release for security, bug fixes, etc.</p><p>Both the OS X and Windows releases are consolidation releases, with a few new features but mostly performance improvements and under-the-hood stuff. They're identical in scale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All these years , and still there are people who do n't get that Apple 's numbering system is non-standard.Every OS X.n is a major release.Every OS X.n.o.p is a minor release for security , bug fixes , etc.Both the OS X and Windows releases are consolidation releases , with a few new features but mostly performance improvements and under-the-hood stuff .
They 're identical in scale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All these years, and still there are people who don't get that Apple's numbering system is non-standard.Every OS X.n is a major release.Every OS X.n.o.p is a minor release for security, bug fixes, etc.Both the OS X and Windows releases are consolidation releases, with a few new features but mostly performance improvements and under-the-hood stuff.
They're identical in scale.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467593</id>
	<title>Re:for most people Windows is free...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245950400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So.... the cost of Windows is nil as long as you buy a new computer? Like the cost of food is nil as long as I buy a new refrigerator every couple of years, or the cost of gas is nil as long as I buy a new car every couple of years, or...</p><p>I suspect that 'for free' doesn't mean what you think it does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So.... the cost of Windows is nil as long as you buy a new computer ?
Like the cost of food is nil as long as I buy a new refrigerator every couple of years , or the cost of gas is nil as long as I buy a new car every couple of years , or...I suspect that 'for free ' does n't mean what you think it does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So.... the cost of Windows is nil as long as you buy a new computer?
Like the cost of food is nil as long as I buy a new refrigerator every couple of years, or the cost of gas is nil as long as I buy a new car every couple of years, or...I suspect that 'for free' doesn't mean what you think it does.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467699</id>
	<title>Re:Overpriced.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245950820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always considered Snow Leopard to be more of a service pack than a new Operating System.  Comparing it's pricing to Windows 7 isn't fair.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always considered Snow Leopard to be more of a service pack than a new Operating System .
Comparing it 's pricing to Windows 7 is n't fair .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always considered Snow Leopard to be more of a service pack than a new Operating System.
Comparing it's pricing to Windows 7 isn't fair.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467139</id>
	<title>Does anyone actually buy windows?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245948660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems to me that everyone I know has a pirated copy of windows: the few people people that have legal copies have them because they were bundled with the computer they bought. When was the last time someone actually went out specifically to bought a copy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems to me that everyone I know has a pirated copy of windows : the few people people that have legal copies have them because they were bundled with the computer they bought .
When was the last time someone actually went out specifically to bought a copy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems to me that everyone I know has a pirated copy of windows: the few people people that have legal copies have them because they were bundled with the computer they bought.
When was the last time someone actually went out specifically to bought a copy?</sentencetext>
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--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467621
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468273
---http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28471507
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467949
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468179
---http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28479905
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28476929
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28468967
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467961
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467983
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467321
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469737
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28467247
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1514223.28469181
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