<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_23_2338230</id>
	<title>On the Humble Default</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245779280000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/slashdot/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> sends along Kevin Kelly's <a href="http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2009/06/triumph\_of\_the.php">paean to the default</a>. <i>"One of the greatest unappreciated inventions of modern life is the default. 'Default' is a technical concept first used in computer science in the 1960s to indicate a preset standard. ... Today the notion of a default has spread beyond computer science to the culture at large.  It seems such a small thing, but the idea of the default is fundamental... It's hard to remember a time when defaults were not part of life. But defaults only arose as computing spread; they are an attribute of complex technological systems. There were no defaults in the industrial age. ... The hallmark of flexible technological systems is the ease by which they can be rewired, modified, reprogrammed, adapted, and changed to suit new uses and new users. Many (not all) of their assumptions can be altered. The upside to endless flexibility and multiple defaults lies in the genuine choice that an individual now has, if one wants it. ... Choices materialize when summoned. But these abundant choices never appeared in fixed designs. ... In properly designed default system, I always have my full freedoms, yet my choices are presented to me in a way that encourages taking those choices in time &mdash; in an incremental and educated manner. Defaults are a tool that tame expanding choice."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens sends along Kevin Kelly 's paean to the default .
" One of the greatest unappreciated inventions of modern life is the default .
'Default ' is a technical concept first used in computer science in the 1960s to indicate a preset standard .
... Today the notion of a default has spread beyond computer science to the culture at large .
It seems such a small thing , but the idea of the default is fundamental... It 's hard to remember a time when defaults were not part of life .
But defaults only arose as computing spread ; they are an attribute of complex technological systems .
There were no defaults in the industrial age .
... The hallmark of flexible technological systems is the ease by which they can be rewired , modified , reprogrammed , adapted , and changed to suit new uses and new users .
Many ( not all ) of their assumptions can be altered .
The upside to endless flexibility and multiple defaults lies in the genuine choice that an individual now has , if one wants it .
... Choices materialize when summoned .
But these abundant choices never appeared in fixed designs .
... In properly designed default system , I always have my full freedoms , yet my choices are presented to me in a way that encourages taking those choices in time    in an incremental and educated manner .
Defaults are a tool that tame expanding choice .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens sends along Kevin Kelly's paean to the default.
"One of the greatest unappreciated inventions of modern life is the default.
'Default' is a technical concept first used in computer science in the 1960s to indicate a preset standard.
... Today the notion of a default has spread beyond computer science to the culture at large.
It seems such a small thing, but the idea of the default is fundamental... It's hard to remember a time when defaults were not part of life.
But defaults only arose as computing spread; they are an attribute of complex technological systems.
There were no defaults in the industrial age.
... The hallmark of flexible technological systems is the ease by which they can be rewired, modified, reprogrammed, adapted, and changed to suit new uses and new users.
Many (not all) of their assumptions can be altered.
The upside to endless flexibility and multiple defaults lies in the genuine choice that an individual now has, if one wants it.
... Choices materialize when summoned.
But these abundant choices never appeared in fixed designs.
... In properly designed default system, I always have my full freedoms, yet my choices are presented to me in a way that encourages taking those choices in time — in an incremental and educated manner.
Defaults are a tool that tame expanding choice.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449981</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1245875340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do note that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. only allows ascii in posts.</p></div><p>Yeah, about that.....I asked for UTF8 and as a result we got strange bars and colored dots.  Careful what you ask for on slashdot.  They just might do something.  I still remember the horror of the pink ponies....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do note that / .
only allows ascii in posts.Yeah , about that.....I asked for UTF8 and as a result we got strange bars and colored dots .
Careful what you ask for on slashdot .
They just might do something .
I still remember the horror of the pink ponies... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do note that /.
only allows ascii in posts.Yeah, about that.....I asked for UTF8 and as a result we got strange bars and colored dots.
Careful what you ask for on slashdot.
They just might do something.
I still remember the horror of the pink ponies....
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28477057</id>
	<title>Re:Bollocks</title>
	<author>drissel</author>
	<datestamp>1245948060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I moved to Texas, my defaults had to change.  I knew it when some phrase would bring me up short<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... like "snow ski" - the default is water ski<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... "water well" - default is, of course, oil well.  One that I can't get over after 40 yrs is "Paris, France".  The default, at least in N Texas, is Paris, Texas.</p><p>Regards,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Bill Drissel</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I moved to Texas , my defaults had to change .
I knew it when some phrase would bring me up short ... like " snow ski " - the default is water ski ... " water well " - default is , of course , oil well .
One that I ca n't get over after 40 yrs is " Paris , France " .
The default , at least in N Texas , is Paris , Texas.Regards ,     Bill Drissel</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I moved to Texas, my defaults had to change.
I knew it when some phrase would bring me up short ... like "snow ski" - the default is water ski ... "water well" - default is, of course, oil well.
One that I can't get over after 40 yrs is "Paris, France".
The default, at least in N Texas, is Paris, Texas.Regards,
    Bill Drissel</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449495</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450741</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot defaults</title>
	<author>BookMama</author>
	<datestamp>1245844260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Uh-oh, I'm a newbie.  So the forums on slashdot don't work like the forums on most websites?
<br> <br>
That is the most user-unfriendly interface mistake.. to not match what the user expects based on their other experiences.
<br> <br>
Is there no preview message to clue people in?
<br> <br>
Ah.... so I just did a preview message and I see what you mean.  Okay, so I'll toss in a few HTML breaks to make paragraphs and...
<br> <br>
much better.  Guess I got lucky reading this early</htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh-oh , I 'm a newbie .
So the forums on slashdot do n't work like the forums on most websites ?
That is the most user-unfriendly interface mistake.. to not match what the user expects based on their other experiences .
Is there no preview message to clue people in ?
Ah.... so I just did a preview message and I see what you mean .
Okay , so I 'll toss in a few HTML breaks to make paragraphs and.. . much better .
Guess I got lucky reading this early</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh-oh, I'm a newbie.
So the forums on slashdot don't work like the forums on most websites?
That is the most user-unfriendly interface mistake.. to not match what the user expects based on their other experiences.
Is there no preview message to clue people in?
Ah.... so I just did a preview message and I see what you mean.
Okay, so I'll toss in a few HTML breaks to make paragraphs and...
 
much better.
Guess I got lucky reading this early</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449465</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449465</id>
	<title>Slashdot defaults</title>
	<author>IntlHarvester</author>
	<datestamp>1245783240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do the defaults on slashdot still require posters to manually type HTML codes for line breaks?</p><p>I always thought the misleading options on the posting form were a pretty funny newbie filter. Welcome to slashdot, RTFM.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do the defaults on slashdot still require posters to manually type HTML codes for line breaks ? I always thought the misleading options on the posting form were a pretty funny newbie filter .
Welcome to slashdot , RTFM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do the defaults on slashdot still require posters to manually type HTML codes for line breaks?I always thought the misleading options on the posting form were a pretty funny newbie filter.
Welcome to slashdot, RTFM.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28460507</id>
	<title>Re:Pre-1950 systems with configurable defaults.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245846180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about an automobile?  I'm sure that when you buy a car, the wipers, lights and radio tend to be in the off position by default.  Likewise, most all power tools and machinery are sold in the default state of being turned off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about an automobile ?
I 'm sure that when you buy a car , the wipers , lights and radio tend to be in the off position by default .
Likewise , most all power tools and machinery are sold in the default state of being turned off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about an automobile?
I'm sure that when you buy a car, the wipers, lights and radio tend to be in the off position by default.
Likewise, most all power tools and machinery are sold in the default state of being turned off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28453249</id>
	<title>Re:Pre-1950 systems with configurable defaults.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245861720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about a model T Ford (1908)?</p><p>By default, you got a black shell on wheels with a motor.</p><p>If you wanted to pay extra for a custom configuration you could get things like a shiny hood ornament, a cargo bed in place of the back seats, or a starter motor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about a model T Ford ( 1908 ) ? By default , you got a black shell on wheels with a motor.If you wanted to pay extra for a custom configuration you could get things like a shiny hood ornament , a cargo bed in place of the back seats , or a starter motor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about a model T Ford (1908)?By default, you got a black shell on wheels with a motor.If you wanted to pay extra for a custom configuration you could get things like a shiny hood ornament, a cargo bed in place of the back seats, or a starter motor.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451021</id>
	<title>Re:1960's?</title>
	<author>julesh</author>
	<datestamp>1245848760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Last time I checked, Computer Science has been around since way before the 1960's.</i></p><p>Yes, but prior to that the concept of a default was likely unnecessary.  At least until the 1950s, most software developed was pretty-much single purpose, and configuration options weren't really necessary.  Data entry was typically performed using punched cards/tape, so a user-interface default is something that didn't apply, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I checked , Computer Science has been around since way before the 1960 's.Yes , but prior to that the concept of a default was likely unnecessary .
At least until the 1950s , most software developed was pretty-much single purpose , and configuration options were n't really necessary .
Data entry was typically performed using punched cards/tape , so a user-interface default is something that did n't apply , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I checked, Computer Science has been around since way before the 1960's.Yes, but prior to that the concept of a default was likely unnecessary.
At least until the 1950s, most software developed was pretty-much single purpose, and configuration options weren't really necessary.
Data entry was typically performed using punched cards/tape, so a user-interface default is something that didn't apply, either.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449681</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449965</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>PearsSoap</author>
	<datestamp>1245875160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In French, it's usually <i>par defaut</i>, which is unsurprising considering the number of words we share.</p><p>
The etymology of the word is more apparent in French: it can be understood as <i>de faute</i>, literally "by lack [of something better/else]". You could translate the whole thing as "because of lacking-of-something-betterness".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In French , it 's usually par defaut , which is unsurprising considering the number of words we share .
The etymology of the word is more apparent in French : it can be understood as de faute , literally " by lack [ of something better/else ] " .
You could translate the whole thing as " because of lacking-of-something-betterness " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In French, it's usually par defaut, which is unsurprising considering the number of words we share.
The etymology of the word is more apparent in French: it can be understood as de faute, literally "by lack [of something better/else]".
You could translate the whole thing as "because of lacking-of-something-betterness".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450625</id>
	<title>Re:Pre-1950 systems with configurable defaults.</title>
	<author>dzfoo</author>
	<datestamp>1245842520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about a fancy 1930s toaster, with a "browning" knob, pre-set at the "center" for optimal toasting?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -dZ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about a fancy 1930s toaster , with a " browning " knob , pre-set at the " center " for optimal toasting ?
      -dZ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about a fancy 1930s toaster, with a "browning" knob, pre-set at the "center" for optimal toasting?
      -dZ.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450347</id>
	<title>Proper definition of the word "default"</title>
	<author>recrudescence</author>
	<datestamp>1245837540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>default: from the jamaican, "de fault widdis machine is yoo, man!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>default : from the jamaican , " de fault widdis machine is yoo , man !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>default: from the jamaican, "de fault widdis machine is yoo, man!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450661</id>
	<title>Re:Bollocks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245843180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suspect the OP is in New Zealand where I also live. What he says is true. Unfortunately it's also lead to a lot of people stuffing 1/2 more houses behind their own house as land values went up which is unfortunate</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect the OP is in New Zealand where I also live .
What he says is true .
Unfortunately it 's also lead to a lot of people stuffing 1/2 more houses behind their own house as land values went up which is unfortunate</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect the OP is in New Zealand where I also live.
What he says is true.
Unfortunately it's also lead to a lot of people stuffing 1/2 more houses behind their own house as land values went up which is unfortunate</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449693</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451833</id>
	<title>Re:Bah-loney</title>
	<author>descil</author>
	<datestamp>1245855360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>And here I thought the default motivation for writing was wanting to deliver a message. What a fool I am!</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>And here I thought the default motivation for writing was wanting to deliver a message .
What a fool I am !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here I thought the default motivation for writing was wanting to deliver a message.
What a fool I am!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449705</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449685</id>
	<title>A good translation for default to other languages</title>
	<author>codekavi</author>
	<datestamp>1245785400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Non English speakers / translators!</p><p>Did you have trouble translating the word "default" into other languages? How difficult/easy was it to find a translation for "default" for user manuals in, say, jp or cn or fr?</p><p>Asking because I had trouble figuring out a good word for it in Hindi. Still not sure if we have the right word.</p><p>Do note that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. only allows ascii in posts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Non English speakers / translators ! Did you have trouble translating the word " default " into other languages ?
How difficult/easy was it to find a translation for " default " for user manuals in , say , jp or cn or fr ? Asking because I had trouble figuring out a good word for it in Hindi .
Still not sure if we have the right word.Do note that / .
only allows ascii in posts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Non English speakers / translators!Did you have trouble translating the word "default" into other languages?
How difficult/easy was it to find a translation for "default" for user manuals in, say, jp or cn or fr?Asking because I had trouble figuring out a good word for it in Hindi.
Still not sure if we have the right word.Do note that /.
only allows ascii in posts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450823</id>
	<title>Humble Default? I don't think so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245845820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I particularly remember the one from John McEnroe.</p><p>The one where the chief umpire of Wimbledon, after being called on the court totally unnecessarily, simply said</p><p>'Mr McEnroe, please play'.</p><p>'What? Please F** y*** M***'</p><p>'Default Mr McEnroe!'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I particularly remember the one from John McEnroe.The one where the chief umpire of Wimbledon , after being called on the court totally unnecessarily , simply said'Mr McEnroe , please play'.'What ?
Please F * * y * * * M * * * ''Default Mr McEnroe !
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I particularly remember the one from John McEnroe.The one where the chief umpire of Wimbledon, after being called on the court totally unnecessarily, simply said'Mr McEnroe, please play'.'What?
Please F** y*** M***''Default Mr McEnroe!
'</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28452209</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245857400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Light switches, for instance in Australia, are up for off and down for on. (Cue Simpsons jokes).</p></div><p> Now I know why the power switch of my Techniworm Moccamaster coffee maker is the way it is. It was made for the Australian market, didn't get delivered there and was then sold in Europe. The pain was considerable as I was forced to think in the Australian way for a single household item.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Light switches , for instance in Australia , are up for off and down for on .
( Cue Simpsons jokes ) .
Now I know why the power switch of my Techniworm Moccamaster coffee maker is the way it is .
It was made for the Australian market , did n't get delivered there and was then sold in Europe .
The pain was considerable as I was forced to think in the Australian way for a single household item .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Light switches, for instance in Australia, are up for off and down for on.
(Cue Simpsons jokes).
Now I know why the power switch of my Techniworm Moccamaster coffee maker is the way it is.
It was made for the Australian market, didn't get delivered there and was then sold in Europe.
The pain was considerable as I was forced to think in the Australian way for a single household item.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450459</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449721</id>
	<title>Re:Bah-loney</title>
	<author>dword</author>
	<datestamp>1245785700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If defaults are to be defined as a configurable initial state, then they've been around for a lot longer than he's claiming.</p></div><p>As far as I can see, his point is that only in the past half century humans have started to consider <i>default</i> as a valid configuration and engineers carefully tweaked the <i>default</i> to be what most of their customers needed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If defaults are to be defined as a configurable initial state , then they 've been around for a lot longer than he 's claiming.As far as I can see , his point is that only in the past half century humans have started to consider default as a valid configuration and engineers carefully tweaked the default to be what most of their customers needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If defaults are to be defined as a configurable initial state, then they've been around for a lot longer than he's claiming.As far as I can see, his point is that only in the past half century humans have started to consider default as a valid configuration and engineers carefully tweaked the default to be what most of their customers needed.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449521</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451073</id>
	<title>Deafult position</title>
	<author>Keeper Of Keys</author>
	<datestamp>1245849240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I asked the guy who did the electrics in our loft to please make sure all the switches started in the ON position. Take that, determinism!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I asked the guy who did the electrics in our loft to please make sure all the switches started in the ON position .
Take that , determinism !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I asked the guy who did the electrics in our loft to please make sure all the switches started in the ON position.
Take that, determinism!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28453127</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245861300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thats failure to set up regional settings when setting up your computer. nearly 99\% of Operating Systems have that option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thats failure to set up regional settings when setting up your computer .
nearly 99 \ % of Operating Systems have that option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thats failure to set up regional settings when setting up your computer.
nearly 99\% of Operating Systems have that option.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451627</id>
	<title>Re:Not only that</title>
	<author>Spatial</author>
	<datestamp>1245854220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The password for one of the billing systems at my workplace is <i>literally</i> 'default'.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The password for one of the billing systems at my workplace is literally 'default' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The password for one of the billing systems at my workplace is literally 'default'.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449507</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450651</id>
	<title>In Other News</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1245843000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another invention of computer science is spreading rapidly to the world at large. Genetic algorithms have been adopted by organic objects having the peculiar ability to temporarily operate on a self-organizing principle based on reverse entropy. They have been observed following this process in order to alter their nature, and one would assume to improve it, over time. This improvement to "life" is called "evolution", and in all but the simplest of these objects is carried out through the act of information recombination called "sex". Obviously computer science is responsible for the creation of these concepts, and "life" owes its nature to this field.</p><p>Another creation of computer science is to be investigated for its role in the creation of creation. The effect on hardware when confronted with an overpowering surge of energy is called a "bang". Computer science is to investigate how big of a bang would be required to result in reality.</p><p>In the beginning was the void. Computer Science looked across the face of the void and said "Let there be Bits." And there was Bits. And thus did Computer Science create all that is, and ever shall be, for ever and ever, End Of Line. Let us bow our heads and program.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another invention of computer science is spreading rapidly to the world at large .
Genetic algorithms have been adopted by organic objects having the peculiar ability to temporarily operate on a self-organizing principle based on reverse entropy .
They have been observed following this process in order to alter their nature , and one would assume to improve it , over time .
This improvement to " life " is called " evolution " , and in all but the simplest of these objects is carried out through the act of information recombination called " sex " .
Obviously computer science is responsible for the creation of these concepts , and " life " owes its nature to this field.Another creation of computer science is to be investigated for its role in the creation of creation .
The effect on hardware when confronted with an overpowering surge of energy is called a " bang " .
Computer science is to investigate how big of a bang would be required to result in reality.In the beginning was the void .
Computer Science looked across the face of the void and said " Let there be Bits .
" And there was Bits .
And thus did Computer Science create all that is , and ever shall be , for ever and ever , End Of Line .
Let us bow our heads and program .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another invention of computer science is spreading rapidly to the world at large.
Genetic algorithms have been adopted by organic objects having the peculiar ability to temporarily operate on a self-organizing principle based on reverse entropy.
They have been observed following this process in order to alter their nature, and one would assume to improve it, over time.
This improvement to "life" is called "evolution", and in all but the simplest of these objects is carried out through the act of information recombination called "sex".
Obviously computer science is responsible for the creation of these concepts, and "life" owes its nature to this field.Another creation of computer science is to be investigated for its role in the creation of creation.
The effect on hardware when confronted with an overpowering surge of energy is called a "bang".
Computer science is to investigate how big of a bang would be required to result in reality.In the beginning was the void.
Computer Science looked across the face of the void and said "Let there be Bits.
" And there was Bits.
And thus did Computer Science create all that is, and ever shall be, for ever and ever, End Of Line.
Let us bow our heads and program.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450605</id>
	<title>Definition</title>
	<author>Peet42</author>
	<datestamp>1245842220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Default" - the state of Windows configurations that need to be changed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Default " - the state of Windows configurations that need to be changed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Default" - the state of Windows configurations that need to be changed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451287</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Klistvud</author>
	<datestamp>1245851520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cars should be designed so as to run right smack in the middle of the road by default, unless the user changes the default -- to accomplish which, a reasonably complex procedure should be put in place, in order to avoid accidental/unwanted changes to the sane defaults.</p><p>Alternatively, cars could be produced to run on the right side of the road, whereas trucks could be produced to run on the left side by default.</p><p>That would avoid the localization problems mentioned in the above post. Similar solutions could be provided for other localization problems (for example: by default, in place of light switches, there should be two live wires protruding from the wall, leaving it to the user to change that default configuration). And so on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cars should be designed so as to run right smack in the middle of the road by default , unless the user changes the default -- to accomplish which , a reasonably complex procedure should be put in place , in order to avoid accidental/unwanted changes to the sane defaults.Alternatively , cars could be produced to run on the right side of the road , whereas trucks could be produced to run on the left side by default.That would avoid the localization problems mentioned in the above post .
Similar solutions could be provided for other localization problems ( for example : by default , in place of light switches , there should be two live wires protruding from the wall , leaving it to the user to change that default configuration ) .
And so on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cars should be designed so as to run right smack in the middle of the road by default, unless the user changes the default -- to accomplish which, a reasonably complex procedure should be put in place, in order to avoid accidental/unwanted changes to the sane defaults.Alternatively, cars could be produced to run on the right side of the road, whereas trucks could be produced to run on the left side by default.That would avoid the localization problems mentioned in the above post.
Similar solutions could be provided for other localization problems (for example: by default, in place of light switches, there should be two live wires protruding from the wall, leaving it to the user to change that default configuration).
And so on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450459</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449475</id>
	<title>On a related note</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I request in this comment that people not respond to it, for how many people will the default behavior be responding to it? Please do not respond to this comment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I request in this comment that people not respond to it , for how many people will the default behavior be responding to it ?
Please do not respond to this comment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I request in this comment that people not respond to it, for how many people will the default behavior be responding to it?
Please do not respond to this comment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451607</id>
	<title>Nonsense</title>
	<author>PGC</author>
	<datestamp>1245853980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My first google hit regarding background on default<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:<p>
<a href="http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=default" title="etymonline.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=default</a> [etymonline.com]</p><p>
-------------<br>
c.1225, "failure, failure to act," from O.Fr. defaute, from M.L. defalta "a deficiency or failure," from L. dis- "away" + fallere "to be wanting." The financial sense is first recorded 1858; the computing sense is from 1966.<br>
-------------</p><p>
How I see it, all the word 'default' means is the state an object is in if you don't mess with it. e.g. the default position of a football is on the centre of the playing field, until one of the players kicks it. They didn't need computer science for that.</p><p>
Please keep your rants to your blog.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My first google hit regarding background on default : http : //www.etymonline.com/index.php ? term = default [ etymonline.com ] ------------- c.1225 , " failure , failure to act , " from O.Fr .
defaute , from M.L .
defalta " a deficiency or failure , " from L. dis- " away " + fallere " to be wanting .
" The financial sense is first recorded 1858 ; the computing sense is from 1966 .
------------- How I see it , all the word 'default ' means is the state an object is in if you do n't mess with it .
e.g. the default position of a football is on the centre of the playing field , until one of the players kicks it .
They did n't need computer science for that .
Please keep your rants to your blog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My first google hit regarding background on default :
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=default [etymonline.com]
-------------
c.1225, "failure, failure to act," from O.Fr.
defaute, from M.L.
defalta "a deficiency or failure," from L. dis- "away" + fallere "to be wanting.
" The financial sense is first recorded 1858; the computing sense is from 1966.
-------------
How I see it, all the word 'default' means is the state an object is in if you don't mess with it.
e.g. the default position of a football is on the centre of the playing field, until one of the players kicks it.
They didn't need computer science for that.
Please keep your rants to your blog.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451971</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>moose\_hp</author>
	<datestamp>1245856080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In (mexican) spanish we use to translate default to "por defecto" (very roughly translated as "by defect") or "por omision" ("by omission") I don't think we have a single word with the exact meaning as default (however, that don't stop many bad translators to use "estandar" ("standard") instead).</htmltext>
<tokenext>In ( mexican ) spanish we use to translate default to " por defecto " ( very roughly translated as " by defect " ) or " por omision " ( " by omission " ) I do n't think we have a single word with the exact meaning as default ( however , that do n't stop many bad translators to use " estandar " ( " standard " ) instead ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In (mexican) spanish we use to translate default to "por defecto" (very roughly translated as "by defect") or "por omision" ("by omission") I don't think we have a single word with the exact meaning as default (however, that don't stop many bad translators to use "estandar" ("standard") instead).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449685</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451415</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1245852480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>An American thinks his local usage is just "the default" for everyone. Light switches, for instance in Australia, are up for off and down for on. (Cue Simpsons jokes).</p></div></blockquote><p>Woah! Woah! Are you telling me that some countries have <i>standards</i> for light switch positions? Such enlightenment!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>An American thinks his local usage is just " the default " for everyone .
Light switches , for instance in Australia , are up for off and down for on .
( Cue Simpsons jokes ) .Woah !
Woah ! Are you telling me that some countries have standards for light switch positions ?
Such enlightenment !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An American thinks his local usage is just "the default" for everyone.
Light switches, for instance in Australia, are up for off and down for on.
(Cue Simpsons jokes).Woah!
Woah! Are you telling me that some countries have standards for light switch positions?
Such enlightenment!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450243</id>
	<title>Dunno... I didn't RTFA ;)</title>
	<author>TheLink</author>
	<datestamp>1245835620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>But defaults aren't automatically good. Good defaults are good. Bad defaults aren't<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;).<br><br>So what are good defaults for configuration? I think of it as a form of compression.<br><br>The most common+safe+useful settings should be the default. The trouble is figuring out the right balance of safety and usability for your product or system.<br><br>It's not easy to get right, and that's why a lot of stuff is crappy or just mediocre[1]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;).<br><br>For many things it doesn't have to be just "default vs ADVANCED mode with zillions of settings".<br><br>It could be: Small, Regular, Large, Extra Large, Custom/Advanced. With Regular being the default selected option.<br><br>See the compression of the decision tree? You don't want most of your users to have to make too many unnecessary decisions. Even if they can make the decisions - it's more work for them and makes things more error prone.<br><br>McD doesn't have their staff ask users the details of what they want upfront- they don't ask whether you want ketchup, pickle etc. The sets are listed and there's Regular and Large (and supersize?). Any further customization if possible is on demand.<br><br>And they go "Will you have fries with that" even if you already said "No" or "yes" to fries... Hmmm maybe McD isn't such a good example<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;).<br><br>[1] The dev gives up thinking really hard about what the default should be, picks the first somewhat usable one and replies with "WORKSFORME" if users complain.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But defaults are n't automatically good .
Good defaults are good .
Bad defaults are n't ; ) .So what are good defaults for configuration ?
I think of it as a form of compression.The most common + safe + useful settings should be the default .
The trouble is figuring out the right balance of safety and usability for your product or system.It 's not easy to get right , and that 's why a lot of stuff is crappy or just mediocre [ 1 ] ; ) .For many things it does n't have to be just " default vs ADVANCED mode with zillions of settings " .It could be : Small , Regular , Large , Extra Large , Custom/Advanced .
With Regular being the default selected option.See the compression of the decision tree ?
You do n't want most of your users to have to make too many unnecessary decisions .
Even if they can make the decisions - it 's more work for them and makes things more error prone.McD does n't have their staff ask users the details of what they want upfront- they do n't ask whether you want ketchup , pickle etc .
The sets are listed and there 's Regular and Large ( and supersize ? ) .
Any further customization if possible is on demand.And they go " Will you have fries with that " even if you already said " No " or " yes " to fries... Hmmm maybe McD is n't such a good example ; ) .
[ 1 ] The dev gives up thinking really hard about what the default should be , picks the first somewhat usable one and replies with " WORKSFORME " if users complain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But defaults aren't automatically good.
Good defaults are good.
Bad defaults aren't ;).So what are good defaults for configuration?
I think of it as a form of compression.The most common+safe+useful settings should be the default.
The trouble is figuring out the right balance of safety and usability for your product or system.It's not easy to get right, and that's why a lot of stuff is crappy or just mediocre[1] ;).For many things it doesn't have to be just "default vs ADVANCED mode with zillions of settings".It could be: Small, Regular, Large, Extra Large, Custom/Advanced.
With Regular being the default selected option.See the compression of the decision tree?
You don't want most of your users to have to make too many unnecessary decisions.
Even if they can make the decisions - it's more work for them and makes things more error prone.McD doesn't have their staff ask users the details of what they want upfront- they don't ask whether you want ketchup, pickle etc.
The sets are listed and there's Regular and Large (and supersize?).
Any further customization if possible is on demand.And they go "Will you have fries with that" even if you already said "No" or "yes" to fries... Hmmm maybe McD isn't such a good example ;).
[1] The dev gives up thinking really hard about what the default should be, picks the first somewhat usable one and replies with "WORKSFORME" if users complain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450477</id>
	<title>Perhaps the first default?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245839940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know this is going to start a brushfire:</p><p>ORIGINAL SIN.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know this is going to start a brushfire : ORIGINAL SIN .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know this is going to start a brushfire:ORIGINAL SIN.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28456157</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245871500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In german we use "standard" (literally) or what would translate to "factory set"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In german we use " standard " ( literally ) or what would translate to " factory set "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In german we use "standard" (literally) or what would translate to "factory set"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451803</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>psm321</author>
	<datestamp>1245855180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It bothers us Americans too.  Almost any open source office app has A4 paper by default, even if you have American localization, which means weird prints until you figure that out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It bothers us Americans too .
Almost any open source office app has A4 paper by default , even if you have American localization , which means weird prints until you figure that out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It bothers us Americans too.
Almost any open source office app has A4 paper by default, even if you have American localization, which means weird prints until you figure that out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450459</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28455813</id>
	<title>Bullshit navel-contemplation/-aggrandizing nerds</title>
	<author>(arg!)Styopa</author>
	<datestamp>1245870180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Default" as a concept is the result of INDUSTRIALIZATION and mass production.<br>To suggest that somehow this is a result of computerization is amazingly naive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Default " as a concept is the result of INDUSTRIALIZATION and mass production.To suggest that somehow this is a result of computerization is amazingly naive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Default" as a concept is the result of INDUSTRIALIZATION and mass production.To suggest that somehow this is a result of computerization is amazingly naive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449973</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245875220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not in all countries. In some countries the light is turned on by flipping the switch down. Gets confusing for the first few weeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not in all countries .
In some countries the light is turned on by flipping the switch down .
Gets confusing for the first few weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not in all countries.
In some countries the light is turned on by flipping the switch down.
Gets confusing for the first few weeks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449497</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449681</id>
	<title>1960's?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245785400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last time I checked, Computer Science has been around since way before the 1960's.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I checked , Computer Science has been around since way before the 1960 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I checked, Computer Science has been around since way before the 1960's.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451043</id>
	<title>Re:Bollocks</title>
	<author>Chris Mattern</author>
	<datestamp>1245848940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Default *land* area.  In other words, default size of the plot of land you built your house on.  Not the size of the house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Default * land * area .
In other words , default size of the plot of land you built your house on .
Not the size of the house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Default *land* area.
In other words, default size of the plot of land you built your house on.
Not the size of the house.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449693</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450543</id>
	<title>Re:Pre-1950 systems with configurable defaults.</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1245841200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mechanical railway signals had a default setting - horizontal (meaning stop).  It required tension on a wire to pull them into the up (go) state.  Thus if the wire broke it would cause a delay rather than a disaster.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mechanical railway signals had a default setting - horizontal ( meaning stop ) .
It required tension on a wire to pull them into the up ( go ) state .
Thus if the wire broke it would cause a delay rather than a disaster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mechanical railway signals had a default setting - horizontal (meaning stop).
It required tension on a wire to pull them into the up (go) state.
Thus if the wire broke it would cause a delay rather than a disaster.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449987</id>
	<title>Re:constant verdict</title>
	<author>pr100</author>
	<datestamp>1245875340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Spanish Inquisition had a constant verdict - even simpler than a default one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Spanish Inquisition had a constant verdict - even simpler than a default one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Spanish Inquisition had a constant verdict - even simpler than a default one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449567</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450233</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245835500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would not be a setting if there were not a choice to be made.  Again, "default" is what you get if you choose to not choose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would not be a setting if there were not a choice to be made .
Again , " default " is what you get if you choose to not choose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would not be a setting if there were not a choice to be made.
Again, "default" is what you get if you choose to not choose.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449629</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450647</id>
	<title>Stupid defaults</title>
	<author>troon</author>
	<datestamp>1245842880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course, if you're going to use defaults, it's a good idea to <a href="http://mark.tranchant.co.uk/2008/07/choosing-defaults-and-giving-e" title="tranchant.co.uk">choose them wisely</a> [tranchant.co.uk]...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , if you 're going to use defaults , it 's a good idea to choose them wisely [ tranchant.co.uk ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, if you're going to use defaults, it's a good idea to choose them wisely [tranchant.co.uk]...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450331</id>
	<title>Re:Bollocks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245837180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We were using it in England back in the 1500's...</p><p>Even as soon as thou canst, for thou hast to pull at<br>a smack o' the contrary. If ever thou be'st bound<br>in thy scarf and beaten, thou shalt find what it is<br>to be proud of thy bondage. I have a desire to hold<br>my acquaintance with thee, or rather my knowledge,<br>that I may say in the default, he is a man I know.</p><p>William Shakespeare</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We were using it in England back in the 1500 's...Even as soon as thou canst , for thou hast to pull ata smack o ' the contrary .
If ever thou be'st boundin thy scarf and beaten , thou shalt find what it isto be proud of thy bondage .
I have a desire to holdmy acquaintance with thee , or rather my knowledge,that I may say in the default , he is a man I know.William Shakespeare</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We were using it in England back in the 1500's...Even as soon as thou canst, for thou hast to pull ata smack o' the contrary.
If ever thou be'st boundin thy scarf and beaten, thou shalt find what it isto be proud of thy bondage.
I have a desire to holdmy acquaintance with thee, or rather my knowledge,that I may say in the default, he is a man I know.William Shakespeare</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449495</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28473915</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245930840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where exactly did he say that the light-switch thing applied to the whole world?</p><p>He didn't specify planet Earth either. I'm sure the Martians are pissed.</p><p>His point is still valid, up = ON. The fact that up = OFF somewhere else doesn't change the fact that it is a default.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where exactly did he say that the light-switch thing applied to the whole world ? He did n't specify planet Earth either .
I 'm sure the Martians are pissed.His point is still valid , up = ON .
The fact that up = OFF somewhere else does n't change the fact that it is a default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where exactly did he say that the light-switch thing applied to the whole world?He didn't specify planet Earth either.
I'm sure the Martians are pissed.His point is still valid, up = ON.
The fact that up = OFF somewhere else doesn't change the fact that it is a default.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450459</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28457723</id>
	<title>Re:A few examples</title>
	<author>kamochan</author>
	<datestamp>1245834480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>macbook:~$ man defaults<br><br>DEFAULTS(1)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;BSD General Commands Manual&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; DEFAULTS(1)<br><br>NAME<br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;defaults -- access the Mac OS X user defaults system<br></tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>macbook : ~ $ man defaultsDEFAULTS ( 1 )                 BSD General Commands Manual               DEFAULTS ( 1 ) NAME       defaults -- access the Mac OS X user defaults system</tokentext>
<sentencetext>macbook:~$ man defaultsDEFAULTS(1)               BSD General Commands Manual              DEFAULTS(1)NAME     defaults -- access the Mac OS X user defaults system</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449759</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450957</id>
	<title>Obligatory Simpsons quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245847920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Homer: Default?  Woo hoo!  The two sweetest words in the language: de-fault!  De-fault!  De-fault!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Homer : Default ?
Woo hoo !
The two sweetest words in the language : de-fault !
De-fault ! De-fault !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Homer: Default?
Woo hoo!
The two sweetest words in the language: de-fault!
De-fault!  De-fault!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449637</id>
	<title>Re:Bollocks</title>
	<author>EricX2</author>
	<datestamp>1245784860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had to explain what default meant to my dad a few years ago... to him it meant this:</p><p>Failure to perform a task or fulfill an obligation, especially failure to meet a financial obligation: in default on a loan.</p><p>Although from your subject I'm guessing your part of the world and my part of the world are far apart...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had to explain what default meant to my dad a few years ago... to him it meant this : Failure to perform a task or fulfill an obligation , especially failure to meet a financial obligation : in default on a loan.Although from your subject I 'm guessing your part of the world and my part of the world are far apart... : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had to explain what default meant to my dad a few years ago... to him it meant this:Failure to perform a task or fulfill an obligation, especially failure to meet a financial obligation: in default on a loan.Although from your subject I'm guessing your part of the world and my part of the world are far apart... :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449495</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451085</id>
	<title>Re:It's not my fault</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245849420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This race-to-the-first-post is getting tiresome. The Admins should modify their software: by default, every first post should be deleted, so that the 2nd post becomes 1st. Then, the 1st post should be deleted, so that the 2nd post becomes 1st. Then, the 1st post should be deleted, so that the 2nd post becomes 1st. Then...</p><p>That would simplify SlashDot and make it more user-friendly, making AJAX and other complex technologies virtually obsolete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This race-to-the-first-post is getting tiresome .
The Admins should modify their software : by default , every first post should be deleted , so that the 2nd post becomes 1st .
Then , the 1st post should be deleted , so that the 2nd post becomes 1st .
Then , the 1st post should be deleted , so that the 2nd post becomes 1st .
Then...That would simplify SlashDot and make it more user-friendly , making AJAX and other complex technologies virtually obsolete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This race-to-the-first-post is getting tiresome.
The Admins should modify their software: by default, every first post should be deleted, so that the 2nd post becomes 1st.
Then, the 1st post should be deleted, so that the 2nd post becomes 1st.
Then, the 1st post should be deleted, so that the 2nd post becomes 1st.
Then...That would simplify SlashDot and make it more user-friendly, making AJAX and other complex technologies virtually obsolete.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449445</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449497</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Defaults have been around for a long time. For example. When an electrician installs your light switch, the default is for up to mean ON, and down to mean OFF.  To flush most toilets, push Down on the lever.  etc</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Defaults have been around for a long time .
For example .
When an electrician installs your light switch , the default is for up to mean ON , and down to mean OFF .
To flush most toilets , push Down on the lever .
etc</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Defaults have been around for a long time.
For example.
When an electrician installs your light switch, the default is for up to mean ON, and down to mean OFF.
To flush most toilets, push Down on the lever.
etc</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450811</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245845520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would it be confusing?</p><p>On == Light. If the light isn't there, the switch isn't on.</p><p>(Though, have you ever wondered whether a light was off or on when you were about replace it? Forget what I just said.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would it be confusing ? On = = Light .
If the light is n't there , the switch is n't on .
( Though , have you ever wondered whether a light was off or on when you were about replace it ?
Forget what I just said .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would it be confusing?On == Light.
If the light isn't there, the switch isn't on.
(Though, have you ever wondered whether a light was off or on when you were about replace it?
Forget what I just said.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449973</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449777</id>
	<title>Pre-1950 systems with configurable defaults.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245786360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I'm trying to think of something prior to 1950 that had an overridable, configurable default. It's hard. Business telephone systems had some configurable defaults, but setting them up required physical wiring.  The same was true of Plan 55-A Teletype message switching.
IBM plugboard-wired tabulators didn't really have defaults as we think of them today.  Machine tools had adjustable speeds and feeds, but no real defaults.  Jacquard looms didn't have defaults. Linotypes didn't have defaults. Chain-programmed embroidery machines - no.
</p><p>
The closest thing I can think of was <a href="http://nxsys.nycsubway.org/" title="nycsubway.org">General Railway Signal's NX signaling system</a> [nycsubway.org] for controlling railroad interlockings. This 1930s system may have been the first "user-friendly interface".  An NX system controlled multiple switches and signals in an area (an "interlocking") preventing conflicts.  Interlocked signal controls had been around for years, and they handled the safety issue, but before NX, it was the user's responsibility to figure out the desired path from A to B.  With an NX system, you selected an "entry" point where a train was going to enter the interlocking, and all the reachable "exit" points would light up.  The "reachable" logic took into account other trains that were in the interlocking area.  When the operator selected an "exit", the NX system would pick a path between the entry and exit, routing around other trains or even track locked out of service.
</p><p>
A default "best" routing was hard-wired into the system, but the operator could override the default routing manually, by picking some intermediate point along the path as the "exit", then selecting that as an "entry" and picking the final "exit".
</p><p>
That's the oldest system I know of with a real "default" mechanism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm trying to think of something prior to 1950 that had an overridable , configurable default .
It 's hard .
Business telephone systems had some configurable defaults , but setting them up required physical wiring .
The same was true of Plan 55-A Teletype message switching .
IBM plugboard-wired tabulators did n't really have defaults as we think of them today .
Machine tools had adjustable speeds and feeds , but no real defaults .
Jacquard looms did n't have defaults .
Linotypes did n't have defaults .
Chain-programmed embroidery machines - no .
The closest thing I can think of was General Railway Signal 's NX signaling system [ nycsubway.org ] for controlling railroad interlockings .
This 1930s system may have been the first " user-friendly interface " .
An NX system controlled multiple switches and signals in an area ( an " interlocking " ) preventing conflicts .
Interlocked signal controls had been around for years , and they handled the safety issue , but before NX , it was the user 's responsibility to figure out the desired path from A to B. With an NX system , you selected an " entry " point where a train was going to enter the interlocking , and all the reachable " exit " points would light up .
The " reachable " logic took into account other trains that were in the interlocking area .
When the operator selected an " exit " , the NX system would pick a path between the entry and exit , routing around other trains or even track locked out of service .
A default " best " routing was hard-wired into the system , but the operator could override the default routing manually , by picking some intermediate point along the path as the " exit " , then selecting that as an " entry " and picking the final " exit " .
That 's the oldest system I know of with a real " default " mechanism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I'm trying to think of something prior to 1950 that had an overridable, configurable default.
It's hard.
Business telephone systems had some configurable defaults, but setting them up required physical wiring.
The same was true of Plan 55-A Teletype message switching.
IBM plugboard-wired tabulators didn't really have defaults as we think of them today.
Machine tools had adjustable speeds and feeds, but no real defaults.
Jacquard looms didn't have defaults.
Linotypes didn't have defaults.
Chain-programmed embroidery machines - no.
The closest thing I can think of was General Railway Signal's NX signaling system [nycsubway.org] for controlling railroad interlockings.
This 1930s system may have been the first "user-friendly interface".
An NX system controlled multiple switches and signals in an area (an "interlocking") preventing conflicts.
Interlocked signal controls had been around for years, and they handled the safety issue, but before NX, it was the user's responsibility to figure out the desired path from A to B.  With an NX system, you selected an "entry" point where a train was going to enter the interlocking, and all the reachable "exit" points would light up.
The "reachable" logic took into account other trains that were in the interlocking area.
When the operator selected an "exit", the NX system would pick a path between the entry and exit, routing around other trains or even track locked out of service.
A default "best" routing was hard-wired into the system, but the operator could override the default routing manually, by picking some intermediate point along the path as the "exit", then selecting that as an "entry" and picking the final "exit".
That's the oldest system I know of with a real "default" mechanism.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450733</id>
	<title>default shakespeare</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245844140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't think that the concept of default is particularly new.</p><p>grep -i default complete\_shakespeare.txt<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; knowledge, that I may say in the default 'He is a man I know.'<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Are penitent for your default to-day.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; CHARLES. Duke of Alencon, this was your default<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; And Talbot perisheth by your default.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think that the concept of default is particularly new.grep -i default complete \ _shakespeare.txt         knowledge , that I may say in the default 'He is a man I know .
'     Are penitent for your default to-day .
    CHARLES .
Duke of Alencon , this was your default         And Talbot perisheth by your default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think that the concept of default is particularly new.grep -i default complete\_shakespeare.txt
        knowledge, that I may say in the default 'He is a man I know.
'
    Are penitent for your default to-day.
    CHARLES.
Duke of Alencon, this was your default
        And Talbot perisheth by your default.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451737</id>
	<title>It's a natural concept too.</title>
	<author>Metasquares</author>
	<datestamp>1245854760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What about the laws of thermodynamics? They seem to establish a default state of the universe which may only be altered with an input of energy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What about the laws of thermodynamics ?
They seem to establish a default state of the universe which may only be altered with an input of energy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about the laws of thermodynamics?
They seem to establish a default state of the universe which may only be altered with an input of energy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449809</id>
	<title>Land Area</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1245786660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Each house is almost 11,000 square feet?</i></p><p>Land area means the land the house sits on, not only the house.  A quarter acre is not really that large.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Each house is almost 11,000 square feet ? Land area means the land the house sits on , not only the house .
A quarter acre is not really that large .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Each house is almost 11,000 square feet?Land area means the land the house sits on, not only the house.
A quarter acre is not really that large.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449693</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449913</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245874440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, the financial meaning of default comes from the original meaning which is the default reconciliation of a (loan) contract when its terms are breached.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , the financial meaning of default comes from the original meaning which is the default reconciliation of a ( loan ) contract when its terms are breached .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, the financial meaning of default comes from the original meaning which is the default reconciliation of a (loan) contract when its terms are breached.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449861</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451781</id>
	<title>defaults in common language</title>
	<author>psm321</author>
	<datestamp>1245855060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently default isn't as commonly used as I thought.  I asked what toppings came on a burger by default at a restaurant once and got a blank stare.  Coworkers who were there later told me that default was too technical a term (which surprised me)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently default is n't as commonly used as I thought .
I asked what toppings came on a burger by default at a restaurant once and got a blank stare .
Coworkers who were there later told me that default was too technical a term ( which surprised me )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently default isn't as commonly used as I thought.
I asked what toppings came on a burger by default at a restaurant once and got a blank stare.
Coworkers who were there later told me that default was too technical a term (which surprised me)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450869</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>gr8dude</author>
	<datestamp>1245846540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I often deal with Romanian and Russian translations - both these languages have an equivalent for 'default'.</p><p>See the suggestion of another poster, find an equivalent expression, such as "factory settings".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I often deal with Romanian and Russian translations - both these languages have an equivalent for 'default'.See the suggestion of another poster , find an equivalent expression , such as " factory settings " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I often deal with Romanian and Russian translations - both these languages have an equivalent for 'default'.See the suggestion of another poster, find an equivalent expression, such as "factory settings".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28453717</id>
	<title>Ahh, the inspiration for my username...</title>
	<author>default luser</author>
	<datestamp>1245863340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...Or should I say, luser name?</p><p>I love the concept of "default."  It means I don't have to think about \%99 the things I do on a daily basis, simply because the defaults are good enough.  Without this concept driving design and development, we would have never gotten this far with technology, as each extra layer would have added way to much complexity for the user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...Or should I say , luser name ? I love the concept of " default .
" It means I do n't have to think about \ % 99 the things I do on a daily basis , simply because the defaults are good enough .
Without this concept driving design and development , we would have never gotten this far with technology , as each extra layer would have added way to much complexity for the user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Or should I say, luser name?I love the concept of "default.
"  It means I don't have to think about \%99 the things I do on a daily basis, simply because the defaults are good enough.
Without this concept driving design and development, we would have never gotten this far with technology, as each extra layer would have added way to much complexity for the user.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449611</id>
	<title>Bah-um?</title>
	<author>pasakie</author>
	<datestamp>1245784500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i thought da fault came from cali... 'neath etsy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i thought da fault came from cali... 'neath etsy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i thought da fault came from cali... 'neath etsy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451525</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>ScentCone</author>
	<datestamp>1245853320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i> It really, really pisses me off when software defaults to Letter size paper, Imperial (non-metric) measures, MDY dates, American spelling. Often WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING OR ASKING THE USERL</i>
<br> <br>
Well, maybe you should use properly licensed, regionalized software, instead of pirated warez based on stuff published for U.S. users? Or, maybe there should be something like a major Australian software company that sees things the way you'd prefer them? Then you can gloat when pirated copies of <i>their</i> products don't make any damn sense to people in other cultures.
<br> <br>
Really, it's simple. Just don't buy products you don't like, and don't bitch if you're using stuff you haven't paid for. You can either roll your own, or pay someone who makes something the way you like it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It really , really pisses me off when software defaults to Letter size paper , Imperial ( non-metric ) measures , MDY dates , American spelling .
Often WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING OR ASKING THE USERL Well , maybe you should use properly licensed , regionalized software , instead of pirated warez based on stuff published for U.S. users ? Or , maybe there should be something like a major Australian software company that sees things the way you 'd prefer them ?
Then you can gloat when pirated copies of their products do n't make any damn sense to people in other cultures .
Really , it 's simple .
Just do n't buy products you do n't like , and do n't bitch if you 're using stuff you have n't paid for .
You can either roll your own , or pay someone who makes something the way you like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It really, really pisses me off when software defaults to Letter size paper, Imperial (non-metric) measures, MDY dates, American spelling.
Often WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING OR ASKING THE USERL
 
Well, maybe you should use properly licensed, regionalized software, instead of pirated warez based on stuff published for U.S. users? Or, maybe there should be something like a major Australian software company that sees things the way you'd prefer them?
Then you can gloat when pirated copies of their products don't make any damn sense to people in other cultures.
Really, it's simple.
Just don't buy products you don't like, and don't bitch if you're using stuff you haven't paid for.
You can either roll your own, or pay someone who makes something the way you like it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28452681</id>
	<title>default for fixed systems</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245859560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>:) Interesting - I always thought that unchangeable (fixed) systems are always in their default state - the only state they could have. Only mutable systems have to define the term "default", but the state is inherited by all systems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>: ) Interesting - I always thought that unchangeable ( fixed ) systems are always in their default state - the only state they could have .
Only mutable systems have to define the term " default " , but the state is inherited by all systems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>:) Interesting - I always thought that unchangeable (fixed) systems are always in their default state - the only state they could have.
Only mutable systems have to define the term "default", but the state is inherited by all systems.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449693</id>
	<title>Re:Bollocks</title>
	<author>JakartaDean</author>
	<datestamp>1245785520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, they made 'em big where you lived.  Each house is almost <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=acre+in+square+feet" title="google.com">11,000 square feet</a> [google.com]?  Are you sure you didn't mean the average <em>mansion</em>?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , they made 'em big where you lived .
Each house is almost 11,000 square feet [ google.com ] ?
Are you sure you did n't mean the average mansion ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, they made 'em big where you lived.
Each house is almost 11,000 square feet [google.com]?
Are you sure you didn't mean the average mansion?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28452649</id>
	<title>No defaults before computing?  WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245859440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My car is turned off by default.  So was every one that came off Ford's assembly line, including the Tin Lizzy.  That predates (digital electronic) computing by decades.</p><p>My car also steers straight ahead by default.  Any properly aligned vehicle will do this.  In the absence of a command to do otherwise, all steering systems return to center.</p><p>Any momentary switch has a default.  Your doorbell doesn't ring unless given input to cause it.</p><p>And so on.</p><p>Jeez.  Just because they weren't CALLED defaults didn't mean they weren't there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My car is turned off by default .
So was every one that came off Ford 's assembly line , including the Tin Lizzy .
That predates ( digital electronic ) computing by decades.My car also steers straight ahead by default .
Any properly aligned vehicle will do this .
In the absence of a command to do otherwise , all steering systems return to center.Any momentary switch has a default .
Your doorbell does n't ring unless given input to cause it.And so on.Jeez .
Just because they were n't CALLED defaults did n't mean they were n't there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My car is turned off by default.
So was every one that came off Ford's assembly line, including the Tin Lizzy.
That predates (digital electronic) computing by decades.My car also steers straight ahead by default.
Any properly aligned vehicle will do this.
In the absence of a command to do otherwise, all steering systems return to center.Any momentary switch has a default.
Your doorbell doesn't ring unless given input to cause it.And so on.Jeez.
Just because they weren't CALLED defaults didn't mean they weren't there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451575</id>
	<title>Re:Pre-1950 systems with configurable defaults.</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1245853800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm trying to think of something prior to 1950 that had an overridable, configurable default. [...]</p></div><p>Trousers.</p><p>Default length is about 33" nowadays. You can turn them up or hem them, your choice.</p><p>Did you mean something technological: How about the tune in a player piano (aka pianola) - the default music program. The needle on a sewing machine. The gearing ratio on a pedal bike. The governor weights (ie speed) of a steam engine<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>Something electronic? Possibly the receiving frequency of a crystal set or the gap on a morse key?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm trying to think of something prior to 1950 that had an overridable , configurable default .
[ ... ] Trousers.Default length is about 33 " nowadays .
You can turn them up or hem them , your choice.Did you mean something technological : How about the tune in a player piano ( aka pianola ) - the default music program .
The needle on a sewing machine .
The gearing ratio on a pedal bike .
The governor weights ( ie speed ) of a steam engine ...Something electronic ?
Possibly the receiving frequency of a crystal set or the gap on a morse key ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm trying to think of something prior to 1950 that had an overridable, configurable default.
[...]Trousers.Default length is about 33" nowadays.
You can turn them up or hem them, your choice.Did you mean something technological: How about the tune in a player piano (aka pianola) - the default music program.
The needle on a sewing machine.
The gearing ratio on a pedal bike.
The governor weights (ie speed) of a steam engine ...Something electronic?
Possibly the receiving frequency of a crystal set or the gap on a morse key?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449705</id>
	<title>Re:Bah-loney</title>
	<author>mapkinase</author>
	<datestamp>1245785580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"He's just writing for the sake of reading his own words."</p><p>That's default motivation for writing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" He 's just writing for the sake of reading his own words .
" That 's default motivation for writing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"He's just writing for the sake of reading his own words.
"That's default motivation for writing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28459757</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>waveclaw</author>
	<datestamp>1245842400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And here we have an example: An American thinks his local usage is just "the default" for everyone. Light switches, for instance in Australia, are up for off and down for on. (Cue Simpsons jokes).</p></div></blockquote><p>Local usage?  There is a wiring pattern called a traveler circuit used with three-way or four-way switches.  It's used to hook one light to two switches among other things. It's very common in America since we have these things called houses that often come with long hallways.</p><p>One of the side effects of this is that when you flip one switch to on or off, you invert the meaning of the other switch.  So, if one switch was up for on and down for off then flipping the other switch makes it up for off and down for on.</p><blockquote><div><p>When an electrician installs your light switch, the default is for up to mean ON, and down to mean OFF.</p></div> </blockquote><p>While I've yet to see a house in America with toggle-switch lighting controls facing sideways, it is certainly possible to install them or change them to be so.  But as even a quick search on Wikipedia would reveal, the direction has a lot to do with city/state/country zoning ordinances and more than a little cultural inertia.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And here we have an example : An American thinks his local usage is just " the default " for everyone .
Light switches , for instance in Australia , are up for off and down for on .
( Cue Simpsons jokes ) .Local usage ?
There is a wiring pattern called a traveler circuit used with three-way or four-way switches .
It 's used to hook one light to two switches among other things .
It 's very common in America since we have these things called houses that often come with long hallways.One of the side effects of this is that when you flip one switch to on or off , you invert the meaning of the other switch .
So , if one switch was up for on and down for off then flipping the other switch makes it up for off and down for on.When an electrician installs your light switch , the default is for up to mean ON , and down to mean OFF .
While I 've yet to see a house in America with toggle-switch lighting controls facing sideways , it is certainly possible to install them or change them to be so .
But as even a quick search on Wikipedia would reveal , the direction has a lot to do with city/state/country zoning ordinances and more than a little cultural inertia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here we have an example: An American thinks his local usage is just "the default" for everyone.
Light switches, for instance in Australia, are up for off and down for on.
(Cue Simpsons jokes).Local usage?
There is a wiring pattern called a traveler circuit used with three-way or four-way switches.
It's used to hook one light to two switches among other things.
It's very common in America since we have these things called houses that often come with long hallways.One of the side effects of this is that when you flip one switch to on or off, you invert the meaning of the other switch.
So, if one switch was up for on and down for off then flipping the other switch makes it up for off and down for on.When an electrician installs your light switch, the default is for up to mean ON, and down to mean OFF.
While I've yet to see a house in America with toggle-switch lighting controls facing sideways, it is certainly possible to install them or change them to be so.
But as even a quick search on Wikipedia would reveal, the direction has a lot to do with city/state/country zoning ordinances and more than a little cultural inertia.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451351</id>
	<title>Re:Default is for wimps...</title>
	<author>lsommerer</author>
	<datestamp>1245852060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's true. Even when I write my own software, I always make sure the setting that *I* will be using are not the default settings. Only wimps use the default settings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's true .
Even when I write my own software , I always make sure the setting that * I * will be using are not the default settings .
Only wimps use the default settings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's true.
Even when I write my own software, I always make sure the setting that *I* will be using are not the default settings.
Only wimps use the default settings.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451911</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245855840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And here we have an example: An American thinks his local usage is just "the default" for everyone. Light switches, for instance in Australia, are up for off and down for on.</p></div><p>Where did the AC assert that? Up-on/down-off is certainly the default in the US, and slashdot is a US-centric website by its own admission. I see nowhere where the AC expressed the opinion that this applied "for everyone" outside the US.</p><p>Your rant about English is also unwarranted. Did an English-speaker kick your puppy recently?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And here we have an example : An American thinks his local usage is just " the default " for everyone .
Light switches , for instance in Australia , are up for off and down for on.Where did the AC assert that ?
Up-on/down-off is certainly the default in the US , and slashdot is a US-centric website by its own admission .
I see nowhere where the AC expressed the opinion that this applied " for everyone " outside the US.Your rant about English is also unwarranted .
Did an English-speaker kick your puppy recently ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And here we have an example: An American thinks his local usage is just "the default" for everyone.
Light switches, for instance in Australia, are up for off and down for on.Where did the AC assert that?
Up-on/down-off is certainly the default in the US, and slashdot is a US-centric website by its own admission.
I see nowhere where the AC expressed the opinion that this applied "for everyone" outside the US.Your rant about English is also unwarranted.
Did an English-speaker kick your puppy recently?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449481</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the hell does any of that incomprehensible gibberish mean?</p><p>'Default good lol 'cause like computers are hard'?</p><p>Seriously?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the hell does any of that incomprehensible gibberish mean ?
'Default good lol 'cause like computers are hard ' ? Seriously ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the hell does any of that incomprehensible gibberish mean?
'Default good lol 'cause like computers are hard'?Seriously?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28454271</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1245865200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a lot of 3 way switches in my house, so up or down doesn't mean squat.</p><p>I've been in a lot of countries where the right or left side of the road doesn't really matter, neither do lanes... go figure.</p><p>Microsoft is a US company so the default would be English (United States).  If you don't like that default, build your own software empire in the UK.  Speaking of which are there any mainstream products being produced outside the US? I mean we have all the major players, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter.  What have you guys made lately?  Its our internet, if you don't like it, make your own!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a lot of 3 way switches in my house , so up or down does n't mean squat.I 've been in a lot of countries where the right or left side of the road does n't really matter , neither do lanes... go figure.Microsoft is a US company so the default would be English ( United States ) .
If you do n't like that default , build your own software empire in the UK .
Speaking of which are there any mainstream products being produced outside the US ?
I mean we have all the major players , Microsoft , Google , Facebook , YouTube , Twitter .
What have you guys made lately ?
Its our internet , if you do n't like it , make your own !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a lot of 3 way switches in my house, so up or down doesn't mean squat.I've been in a lot of countries where the right or left side of the road doesn't really matter, neither do lanes... go figure.Microsoft is a US company so the default would be English (United States).
If you don't like that default, build your own software empire in the UK.
Speaking of which are there any mainstream products being produced outside the US?
I mean we have all the major players, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter.
What have you guys made lately?
Its our internet, if you don't like it, make your own!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449495</id>
	<title>Bollocks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Default was first used in computer science in the 1960s because that is when computer science, as we knew it, began.  It was picked up from common usage outside of computer science, and was general use well before then.  Unfortunately I am old enough to remember it as a common term in the 1950s.  For example the default land area for a house (at least in my part of the world) was a quarter of an acre and it used to be referred to as the default area.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Default was first used in computer science in the 1960s because that is when computer science , as we knew it , began .
It was picked up from common usage outside of computer science , and was general use well before then .
Unfortunately I am old enough to remember it as a common term in the 1950s .
For example the default land area for a house ( at least in my part of the world ) was a quarter of an acre and it used to be referred to as the default area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Default was first used in computer science in the 1960s because that is when computer science, as we knew it, began.
It was picked up from common usage outside of computer science, and was general use well before then.
Unfortunately I am old enough to remember it as a common term in the 1950s.
For example the default land area for a house (at least in my part of the world) was a quarter of an acre and it used to be referred to as the default area.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449471</id>
	<title>Look at our financial system</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More and more are taking the choice to default than ever before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More and more are taking the choice to default than ever before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More and more are taking the choice to default than ever before.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449775</id>
	<title>Default is for wimps...</title>
	<author>yourassOA</author>
	<datestamp>1245786360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>No real geek/nerd would ever even consider using the default settings. Only real men use the default, real geeks use their own settings. Thats why none of their shit works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No real geek/nerd would ever even consider using the default settings .
Only real men use the default , real geeks use their own settings .
Thats why none of their shit works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No real geek/nerd would ever even consider using the default settings.
Only real men use the default, real geeks use their own settings.
Thats why none of their shit works.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28452859</id>
	<title>Re:Look at our financial system</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245860220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love default passwords on adsl and wifi routers<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love default passwords on adsl and wifi routers ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love default passwords on adsl and wifi routers ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450877</id>
	<title>It's from Latin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245846600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Computer Science has <i>added</i> a new meaning to the word - a preset value. Before that, "default" had to do with financial obligations. It came to English a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/long/ time ago, from Old French "defaut", which means "to fail", and back to Latin "fallere", which means "disappoint".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Computer Science has added a new meaning to the word - a preset value .
Before that , " default " had to do with financial obligations .
It came to English a /long/ time ago , from Old French " defaut " , which means " to fail " , and back to Latin " fallere " , which means " disappoint " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Computer Science has added a new meaning to the word - a preset value.
Before that, "default" had to do with financial obligations.
It came to English a /long/ time ago, from Old French "defaut", which means "to fail", and back to Latin "fallere", which means "disappoint".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451103</id>
	<title>Defaults \_MUCH\_ older -- Wills</title>
	<author>redelm</author>
	<datestamp>1245849660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Defaults are much older than the information age.  They've existed wherever there is choice.  One very common one is the division of property after death -- a Will.  All societies have a "default" way of handling this is there were no instructions (the person died intestate).  But also have provisions for deviating from this default.<p>
Getting married without a prenup is like dying without a will -- works great so long as the default law fits your situation.  Otherwise, someone takes advantage of the default law.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Defaults are much older than the information age .
They 've existed wherever there is choice .
One very common one is the division of property after death -- a Will .
All societies have a " default " way of handling this is there were no instructions ( the person died intestate ) .
But also have provisions for deviating from this default .
Getting married without a prenup is like dying without a will -- works great so long as the default law fits your situation .
Otherwise , someone takes advantage of the default law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Defaults are much older than the information age.
They've existed wherever there is choice.
One very common one is the division of property after death -- a Will.
All societies have a "default" way of handling this is there were no instructions (the person died intestate).
But also have provisions for deviating from this default.
Getting married without a prenup is like dying without a will -- works great so long as the default law fits your situation.
Otherwise, someone takes advantage of the default law.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450473</id>
	<title>Tales from a open source game dev</title>
	<author>Tei</author>
	<datestamp>1245839820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is true.</p><p>I started my quake engine from a different engine. There are like 3 different designs for a quake engine: faifhfull to the original,  eyecandy and e-sport.  Faifhfull engines are as similar to the carmack one as posible,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...as similar as what is delivered, since the intention of carmack is unknom.  Eyecandy engines are as pretty as posible, with better textures, particles, colors and effects. And e-sport engines make the game as fast as posible, easy to sport enemyes,...  most screenshots of a e-sport engine look somewhat like Tron from the disney Tron movie.</p><p>Since I am in the eyecandy camp, my first release whas the original engine (tomazquake) with different "defaults". Most stuff that can be modified, was setting to "eyecandy".  Like shadows-on,  use better particles, etc..   That was already a different engine. A project start with a different taste, and everything grows around it. And a "Default" is this taste in the world.</p><p>----</p><p>Bonus comment:</p><p>Some applications grows soo big (soo bloated), that the "defaults" is what define the application, since most people will play with the default, but changing these can be something else.  In some ways (not really true)a "distro" is a different "defaults" for Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is true.I started my quake engine from a different engine .
There are like 3 different designs for a quake engine : faifhfull to the original , eyecandy and e-sport .
Faifhfull engines are as similar to the carmack one as posible , ...as similar as what is delivered , since the intention of carmack is unknom .
Eyecandy engines are as pretty as posible , with better textures , particles , colors and effects .
And e-sport engines make the game as fast as posible , easy to sport enemyes,... most screenshots of a e-sport engine look somewhat like Tron from the disney Tron movie.Since I am in the eyecandy camp , my first release whas the original engine ( tomazquake ) with different " defaults " .
Most stuff that can be modified , was setting to " eyecandy " .
Like shadows-on , use better particles , etc.. That was already a different engine .
A project start with a different taste , and everything grows around it .
And a " Default " is this taste in the world.----Bonus comment : Some applications grows soo big ( soo bloated ) , that the " defaults " is what define the application , since most people will play with the default , but changing these can be something else .
In some ways ( not really true ) a " distro " is a different " defaults " for Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is true.I started my quake engine from a different engine.
There are like 3 different designs for a quake engine: faifhfull to the original,  eyecandy and e-sport.
Faifhfull engines are as similar to the carmack one as posible, ...as similar as what is delivered, since the intention of carmack is unknom.
Eyecandy engines are as pretty as posible, with better textures, particles, colors and effects.
And e-sport engines make the game as fast as posible, easy to sport enemyes,...  most screenshots of a e-sport engine look somewhat like Tron from the disney Tron movie.Since I am in the eyecandy camp, my first release whas the original engine (tomazquake) with different "defaults".
Most stuff that can be modified, was setting to "eyecandy".
Like shadows-on,  use better particles, etc..   That was already a different engine.
A project start with a different taste, and everything grows around it.
And a "Default" is this taste in the world.----Bonus comment:Some applications grows soo big (soo bloated), that the "defaults" is what define the application, since most people will play with the default, but changing these can be something else.
In some ways (not really true)a "distro" is a different "defaults" for Linux.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450339</id>
	<title>UI: The Good, The Bad and The Lame</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1245837300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A good UI is not one that limits options of the user, but one that has sensible defaults, and options tiered by theme and frequency of use.<br>A bad UI is either too stuffed with options to navigate, or simply has no good defaults.<br>A lame UI is one that purposely limits options "because the user could be confused". (an unchecked checkbox "[ ] advanced options" won't confuse an inexperienced user, but lack of it will irk advanced user to no end. Yes, Gnome, I'm looking at you!)</p><p>If you know your UI is bad, but have no clue how to make it good, simply make it so customizable that the blame of "not making it good" can be passed on the user.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A good UI is not one that limits options of the user , but one that has sensible defaults , and options tiered by theme and frequency of use.A bad UI is either too stuffed with options to navigate , or simply has no good defaults.A lame UI is one that purposely limits options " because the user could be confused " .
( an unchecked checkbox " [ ] advanced options " wo n't confuse an inexperienced user , but lack of it will irk advanced user to no end .
Yes , Gnome , I 'm looking at you !
) If you know your UI is bad , but have no clue how to make it good , simply make it so customizable that the blame of " not making it good " can be passed on the user .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A good UI is not one that limits options of the user, but one that has sensible defaults, and options tiered by theme and frequency of use.A bad UI is either too stuffed with options to navigate, or simply has no good defaults.A lame UI is one that purposely limits options "because the user could be confused".
(an unchecked checkbox "[ ] advanced options" won't confuse an inexperienced user, but lack of it will irk advanced user to no end.
Yes, Gnome, I'm looking at you!
)If you know your UI is bad, but have no clue how to make it good, simply make it so customizable that the blame of "not making it good" can be passed on the user.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28452817</id>
	<title>Defaults are hard</title>
	<author>hedronist</author>
	<datestamp>1245860100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In 1974 I was talking to Pentti Kanerva about a text editor he had written for a TENEX system at Stanford. I asked about the possibility of adding a new command and he said 'sure, but not until you tell me the default behavior.' It turned out he had lots of requests for new features, but when put to the test the requesters couldn't articulate what the default should be in any one of a number of different situations.</p><p>His point was that adding new features was relatively easy, but getting the defaults correct was considerably harder because it had to do with discerning the user's intent. 35 years later I still think this was one of the more insightful things I've heard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In 1974 I was talking to Pentti Kanerva about a text editor he had written for a TENEX system at Stanford .
I asked about the possibility of adding a new command and he said 'sure , but not until you tell me the default behavior .
' It turned out he had lots of requests for new features , but when put to the test the requesters could n't articulate what the default should be in any one of a number of different situations.His point was that adding new features was relatively easy , but getting the defaults correct was considerably harder because it had to do with discerning the user 's intent .
35 years later I still think this was one of the more insightful things I 've heard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In 1974 I was talking to Pentti Kanerva about a text editor he had written for a TENEX system at Stanford.
I asked about the possibility of adding a new command and he said 'sure, but not until you tell me the default behavior.
' It turned out he had lots of requests for new features, but when put to the test the requesters couldn't articulate what the default should be in any one of a number of different situations.His point was that adding new features was relatively easy, but getting the defaults correct was considerably harder because it had to do with discerning the user's intent.
35 years later I still think this was one of the more insightful things I've heard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450997</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot defaults</title>
	<author>vic-traill</author>
	<datestamp>1245848340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And would it kill them to put in a WYSIWYG toolbar (tinyMCE, fckeditor, etc.)?</p></div><p>I don't know about Taco, but it might kill me.  If we can't get away from JS editor toolbars on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., then they truly have taken over the world, I suppose.</p><p>I think a little manual markup is good for the soul, myself. Strictly IMHO.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And would it kill them to put in a WYSIWYG toolbar ( tinyMCE , fckeditor , etc .
) ? I do n't know about Taco , but it might kill me .
If we ca n't get away from JS editor toolbars on /. , then they truly have taken over the world , I suppose.I think a little manual markup is good for the soul , myself .
Strictly IMHO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And would it kill them to put in a WYSIWYG toolbar (tinyMCE, fckeditor, etc.
)?I don't know about Taco, but it might kill me.
If we can't get away from JS editor toolbars on /., then they truly have taken over the world, I suppose.I think a little manual markup is good for the soul, myself.
Strictly IMHO.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450315</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Vintermann</author>
	<datestamp>1245836760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sometimes they are on the wrong side of the door, too. I can't count the number of times I slapped my hand to the right of the doors in my old house.</p><p>Right is the standard here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes they are on the wrong side of the door , too .
I ca n't count the number of times I slapped my hand to the right of the doors in my old house.Right is the standard here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes they are on the wrong side of the door, too.
I can't count the number of times I slapped my hand to the right of the doors in my old house.Right is the standard here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450151</id>
	<title>Re:Bollocks</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1245834360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It was picked up from common usage outside of computer science, and was general use well before then. </i></p><p>Phew, for a moment there I thought that before computer science was invented, everything came in random configuration.</p><p>This whole story is a waste of space. Slow news day I guess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was picked up from common usage outside of computer science , and was general use well before then .
Phew , for a moment there I thought that before computer science was invented , everything came in random configuration.This whole story is a waste of space .
Slow news day I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was picked up from common usage outside of computer science, and was general use well before then.
Phew, for a moment there I thought that before computer science was invented, everything came in random configuration.This whole story is a waste of space.
Slow news day I guess.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450329</id>
	<title>In Icelandic</title>
	<author>Exception Duck</author>
	<datestamp>1245837060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Icelandic<br>It is "Sj&#195;lfgefi&#195;" or "Sjalfgefid"(since the special characters get fubar) which translated literally to English, would mean "Given by itself".</p><p>I think it's a very old word, since it also can mean "taking something for granted".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In IcelandicIt is " Sj   lfgefi   " or " Sjalfgefid " ( since the special characters get fubar ) which translated literally to English , would mean " Given by itself " .I think it 's a very old word , since it also can mean " taking something for granted " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In IcelandicIt is "SjÃlfgefiÃ" or "Sjalfgefid"(since the special characters get fubar) which translated literally to English, would mean "Given by itself".I think it's a very old word, since it also can mean "taking something for granted".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450657</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>oxygen\_deprived</author>
	<datestamp>1245843060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Hindi, default will roughly translate to
"poorva-nirdharit",which is identical to pre assigned.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Hindi , default will roughly translate to " poorva-nirdharit " ,which is identical to pre assigned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Hindi, default will roughly translate to
"poorva-nirdharit",which is identical to pre assigned.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450701</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245843720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In German, the default is to simply use "default", at least in the context of computers. An alternative would be "Werkseinstellung" literally "factory setting2</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In German , the default is to simply use " default " , at least in the context of computers .
An alternative would be " Werkseinstellung " literally " factory setting2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In German, the default is to simply use "default", at least in the context of computers.
An alternative would be "Werkseinstellung" literally "factory setting2</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449521</id>
	<title>Bah-loney</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't subscribe to his crazy theory. If defaults are to be defined as a configurable initial state, then they've been around for a lot longer than he's claiming. He's just writing for the sake of reading his own words.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't subscribe to his crazy theory .
If defaults are to be defined as a configurable initial state , then they 've been around for a lot longer than he 's claiming .
He 's just writing for the sake of reading his own words .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't subscribe to his crazy theory.
If defaults are to be defined as a configurable initial state, then they've been around for a lot longer than he's claiming.
He's just writing for the sake of reading his own words.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449927</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>davidgay</author>
	<datestamp>1245874560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well the French word starts with d, contains an f, and ends in t. And it isn't borrowed from English either. Hmm...
<p>
David Gay</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well the French word starts with d , contains an f , and ends in t. And it is n't borrowed from English either .
Hmm.. . David Gay</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well the French word starts with d, contains an f, and ends in t. And it isn't borrowed from English either.
Hmm...

David Gay</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450469</id>
	<title>Re:Bah-loney</title>
	<author>bostei2008</author>
	<datestamp>1245839820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't default in English also mean "to go bankrupt"? Someone defaulting on the credit you extend to him means he won't pay it back?</p><p>Somehow that usage of "default" always confused me (as a non-english-speaker). So, is "defaulting on a credit" the default?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't default in English also mean " to go bankrupt " ?
Someone defaulting on the credit you extend to him means he wo n't pay it back ? Somehow that usage of " default " always confused me ( as a non-english-speaker ) .
So , is " defaulting on a credit " the default ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't default in English also mean "to go bankrupt"?
Someone defaulting on the credit you extend to him means he won't pay it back?Somehow that usage of "default" always confused me (as a non-english-speaker).
So, is "defaulting on a credit" the default?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449861</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>gzipped\_tar</author>
	<datestamp>1245873720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quite easy in Chinese. Since<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is too US-centric to tolerate Unicode, I'll just post the Unicode codepoints for these two characters: U+9ED8 and U+8BA4. Look them up in a Unicode table<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>This Chinese word for "default", in a more literal translation, means "tacitly accepted/recognized". It has nothing to do with the financial meaning of the word "default", which translates to a completely different word in Chinese.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite easy in Chinese .
Since / .
is too US-centric to tolerate Unicode , I 'll just post the Unicode codepoints for these two characters : U + 9ED8 and U + 8BA4 .
Look them up in a Unicode table ; ) This Chinese word for " default " , in a more literal translation , means " tacitly accepted/recognized " .
It has nothing to do with the financial meaning of the word " default " , which translates to a completely different word in Chinese .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite easy in Chinese.
Since /.
is too US-centric to tolerate Unicode, I'll just post the Unicode codepoints for these two characters: U+9ED8 and U+8BA4.
Look them up in a Unicode table ;)This Chinese word for "default", in a more literal translation, means "tacitly accepted/recognized".
It has nothing to do with the financial meaning of the word "default", which translates to a completely different word in Chinese.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28455637</id>
	<title>Knobs with Detents</title>
	<author>metallurge</author>
	<datestamp>1245869700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know, mechanical knobs which have a default position which you can feel, a detent. (What I am describing is not a switch, but a variable resistor or capacitor). The most common place we will have seen these today is in a L-R fader or a F-B fader in a car stereo. Analog equalizers also frequently have a detent.
<br> <br>
Adjustable pushbutton radio tuners are another example.
<br> <br>
These are two contenders for non-digital forerunners of "defaults".
<br> <br>
What I'd like to see is a rotary optomechanical knob with software-controllable detents. Preferably also with a springloaded push switch, a springloaded pull switch, and a joystick mode.
<br> <br>
For all that digital makes possible, the mechanical interface to so many of our digital devices is simply horrible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , mechanical knobs which have a default position which you can feel , a detent .
( What I am describing is not a switch , but a variable resistor or capacitor ) .
The most common place we will have seen these today is in a L-R fader or a F-B fader in a car stereo .
Analog equalizers also frequently have a detent .
Adjustable pushbutton radio tuners are another example .
These are two contenders for non-digital forerunners of " defaults " .
What I 'd like to see is a rotary optomechanical knob with software-controllable detents .
Preferably also with a springloaded push switch , a springloaded pull switch , and a joystick mode .
For all that digital makes possible , the mechanical interface to so many of our digital devices is simply horrible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, mechanical knobs which have a default position which you can feel, a detent.
(What I am describing is not a switch, but a variable resistor or capacitor).
The most common place we will have seen these today is in a L-R fader or a F-B fader in a car stereo.
Analog equalizers also frequently have a detent.
Adjustable pushbutton radio tuners are another example.
These are two contenders for non-digital forerunners of "defaults".
What I'd like to see is a rotary optomechanical knob with software-controllable detents.
Preferably also with a springloaded push switch, a springloaded pull switch, and a joystick mode.
For all that digital makes possible, the mechanical interface to so many of our digital devices is simply horrible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450481</id>
	<title>Defaults can be real time savers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245840000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you've ever tried ordering a meal at the Mac (or most fast food restaurants) for that matter,<br>you'll appreciate defaults. Unless you REALLY try, you'll always get a counter questions from<br>them. </p><p>Unless you effort, you'll get a conversation like this:</p><p>me&gt;Can I have a big mac meal?</p><p>them&gt; What would you like to drink with that?</p><p>me&gt; A coke please.</p><p>them&gt; Diet or regular?</p><p>me&gt; Regular please.</p><p>them&gt; Small, medium, large?</p><p>me&gt; Ehm.. medium I guess. That's 400ml right?</p><p>them&gt; Ehm... I don't know.</p><p>me&gt; Anyway, medium.</p><p>them&gt; Would you like fries with that?</p><p>me&gt; That's part of the meal, isn't it?</p><p>them&gt; Eh, yes. Small, medium or large?</p><p>me&gt; Medium please.</p><p>them&gt; That'll be [price].</p><p>Even if you *do* effort, they'll manage to come up with counter questions:</p><p>me&gt; I'd like a non-supersized big-mac meal- medium fries, medium regular coke with ice.</p><p>them&gt; Is that all?</p><p>me&gt; Yes.</p><p>them&gt; That'll be [price].</p><p>me&gt; Thank you.</p><p>them&gt; Oh, by the way, do you want any cheese on that?</p><p>Or you get the Blonde with a Very Small Memory:</p><p>me&gt; I'd like a non-supersized big-mac meal- medium fries, medium regular coke with ice.</p><p>them&gt; Sorry, did you say a supersized big mac meal with medium fries and medium regular coke?</p><p>me&gt; No, I don't want it supersized. I told you.</p><p>them&gt; All right. Do you want any ice?</p><p>Then there's the Stubborn Salesman:</p><p>me&gt; I'd like just a Big Mac please.</p><p>them&gt; Would you like fries with that?</p><p>me&gt; No, just a Big Mac please.</p><p>them&gt; What would you like to drink?</p><p>me&gt; Nothing. I'd just like a Big Mac please.</p><p>them&gt; Do you want any cheese on that?</p><p>me&gt; No, just a Big Mac please.</p><p>them&gt; Would you like to supersize that?</p><p>me&gt; No.</p><p>them&gt; Anything else?</p><p>me&gt; No, just a Big Mac please.</p><p>It would be SO much easier and faster if I could just go</p><p>me&gt; I'd like a meal number one please. That's all.</p><p>them&gt; That'll be [price].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 've ever tried ordering a meal at the Mac ( or most fast food restaurants ) for that matter,you 'll appreciate defaults .
Unless you REALLY try , you 'll always get a counter questions fromthem .
Unless you effort , you 'll get a conversation like this : me &gt; Can I have a big mac meal ? them &gt; What would you like to drink with that ? me &gt; A coke please.them &gt; Diet or regular ? me &gt; Regular please.them &gt; Small , medium , large ? me &gt; Ehm.. medium I guess .
That 's 400ml right ? them &gt; Ehm... I do n't know.me &gt; Anyway , medium.them &gt; Would you like fries with that ? me &gt; That 's part of the meal , is n't it ? them &gt; Eh , yes .
Small , medium or large ? me &gt; Medium please.them &gt; That 'll be [ price ] .Even if you * do * effort , they 'll manage to come up with counter questions : me &gt; I 'd like a non-supersized big-mac meal- medium fries , medium regular coke with ice.them &gt; Is that all ? me &gt; Yes.them &gt; That 'll be [ price ] .me &gt; Thank you.them &gt; Oh , by the way , do you want any cheese on that ? Or you get the Blonde with a Very Small Memory : me &gt; I 'd like a non-supersized big-mac meal- medium fries , medium regular coke with ice.them &gt; Sorry , did you say a supersized big mac meal with medium fries and medium regular coke ? me &gt; No , I do n't want it supersized .
I told you.them &gt; All right .
Do you want any ice ? Then there 's the Stubborn Salesman : me &gt; I 'd like just a Big Mac please.them &gt; Would you like fries with that ? me &gt; No , just a Big Mac please.them &gt; What would you like to drink ? me &gt; Nothing .
I 'd just like a Big Mac please.them &gt; Do you want any cheese on that ? me &gt; No , just a Big Mac please.them &gt; Would you like to supersize that ? me &gt; No.them &gt; Anything else ? me &gt; No , just a Big Mac please.It would be SO much easier and faster if I could just gome &gt; I 'd like a meal number one please .
That 's all.them &gt; That 'll be [ price ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you've ever tried ordering a meal at the Mac (or most fast food restaurants) for that matter,you'll appreciate defaults.
Unless you REALLY try, you'll always get a counter questions fromthem.
Unless you effort, you'll get a conversation like this:me&gt;Can I have a big mac meal?them&gt; What would you like to drink with that?me&gt; A coke please.them&gt; Diet or regular?me&gt; Regular please.them&gt; Small, medium, large?me&gt; Ehm.. medium I guess.
That's 400ml right?them&gt; Ehm... I don't know.me&gt; Anyway, medium.them&gt; Would you like fries with that?me&gt; That's part of the meal, isn't it?them&gt; Eh, yes.
Small, medium or large?me&gt; Medium please.them&gt; That'll be [price].Even if you *do* effort, they'll manage to come up with counter questions:me&gt; I'd like a non-supersized big-mac meal- medium fries, medium regular coke with ice.them&gt; Is that all?me&gt; Yes.them&gt; That'll be [price].me&gt; Thank you.them&gt; Oh, by the way, do you want any cheese on that?Or you get the Blonde with a Very Small Memory:me&gt; I'd like a non-supersized big-mac meal- medium fries, medium regular coke with ice.them&gt; Sorry, did you say a supersized big mac meal with medium fries and medium regular coke?me&gt; No, I don't want it supersized.
I told you.them&gt; All right.
Do you want any ice?Then there's the Stubborn Salesman:me&gt; I'd like just a Big Mac please.them&gt; Would you like fries with that?me&gt; No, just a Big Mac please.them&gt; What would you like to drink?me&gt; Nothing.
I'd just like a Big Mac please.them&gt; Do you want any cheese on that?me&gt; No, just a Big Mac please.them&gt; Would you like to supersize that?me&gt; No.them&gt; Anything else?me&gt; No, just a Big Mac please.It would be SO much easier and faster if I could just gome&gt; I'd like a meal number one please.
That's all.them&gt; That'll be [price].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451035</id>
	<title>Defaults existed before</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245848880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Think of the restaurant.  What's listed in the menu is the "default" settings for the preparation, but you could say, "No sour cream," or "extra spicy."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think of the restaurant .
What 's listed in the menu is the " default " settings for the preparation , but you could say , " No sour cream , " or " extra spicy .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think of the restaurant.
What's listed in the menu is the "default" settings for the preparation, but you could say, "No sour cream," or "extra spicy.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449979</id>
	<title>Re:Bah-loney</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1245875280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a French person, I resent what the author is implying. Defau(l)t is a french word. It means "inaction", "failure", or "inactive state". And if anybody invented "inaction", we certainly did. We have prior art. It's part of our cultural heritage. And you guys, you were just lucky that we even taught it to Great Britain in the twelve century, for without that specialized knowledge, that special concept of defaults would never even have arrived in America!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a French person , I resent what the author is implying .
Defau ( l ) t is a french word .
It means " inaction " , " failure " , or " inactive state " .
And if anybody invented " inaction " , we certainly did .
We have prior art .
It 's part of our cultural heritage .
And you guys , you were just lucky that we even taught it to Great Britain in the twelve century , for without that specialized knowledge , that special concept of defaults would never even have arrived in America !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a French person, I resent what the author is implying.
Defau(l)t is a french word.
It means "inaction", "failure", or "inactive state".
And if anybody invented "inaction", we certainly did.
We have prior art.
It's part of our cultural heritage.
And you guys, you were just lucky that we even taught it to Great Britain in the twelve century, for without that specialized knowledge, that special concept of defaults would never even have arrived in America!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450459</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>1u3hr</author>
	<datestamp>1245839640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>When an electrician installs your light switch, the default is for up to mean ON, and down to mean OFF. </i> <p>

And here we have an example: An American thinks his local usage is just "the default" for everyone. Light switches, for instance in Australia, are up for off and down for on. (Cue Simpsons jokes).</p><p>
And in some countries, the default side of the road is the left, not the right!  Some countries DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH!! Believe it or not.
</p><p>
Back to computer defaults: It really, really pisses me off when software defaults to Letter size paper, Imperial (non-metric) measures, MDY dates, American spelling. Often WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING OR ASKING THE USER. And so 90\% of people in the world (okay, 90\% of the computers in other countries I have personally seen) are set up with these inappropriate settings. So print jobs are weirdly distorted, spelling is mysteriously "corrected", spreadsheet dates are scrambled. Etc, etc. All thanks to "User friendly" install defaults.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When an electrician installs your light switch , the default is for up to mean ON , and down to mean OFF .
And here we have an example : An American thinks his local usage is just " the default " for everyone .
Light switches , for instance in Australia , are up for off and down for on .
( Cue Simpsons jokes ) .
And in some countries , the default side of the road is the left , not the right !
Some countries DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH ! !
Believe it or not .
Back to computer defaults : It really , really pisses me off when software defaults to Letter size paper , Imperial ( non-metric ) measures , MDY dates , American spelling .
Often WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING OR ASKING THE USER .
And so 90 \ % of people in the world ( okay , 90 \ % of the computers in other countries I have personally seen ) are set up with these inappropriate settings .
So print jobs are weirdly distorted , spelling is mysteriously " corrected " , spreadsheet dates are scrambled .
Etc , etc .
All thanks to " User friendly " install defaults .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When an electrician installs your light switch, the default is for up to mean ON, and down to mean OFF.
And here we have an example: An American thinks his local usage is just "the default" for everyone.
Light switches, for instance in Australia, are up for off and down for on.
(Cue Simpsons jokes).
And in some countries, the default side of the road is the left, not the right!
Some countries DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH!!
Believe it or not.
Back to computer defaults: It really, really pisses me off when software defaults to Letter size paper, Imperial (non-metric) measures, MDY dates, American spelling.
Often WITHOUT EVEN MENTIONING OR ASKING THE USER.
And so 90\% of people in the world (okay, 90\% of the computers in other countries I have personally seen) are set up with these inappropriate settings.
So print jobs are weirdly distorted, spelling is mysteriously "corrected", spreadsheet dates are scrambled.
Etc, etc.
All thanks to "User friendly" install defaults.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450495</id>
	<title>Re:Bollocks</title>
	<author>dzfoo</author>
	<datestamp>1245840300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly.  The author implies that mechanical systems built before the 1960s came without built-in functionality or options.  For an obvious example, take the toaster:  since the dawn of the bread-toasting craze, it has included a "browning" control.  This mechanical control, be it a knob, slider, or switch, had a base setting which was calibrated at the factory.  This was its "default" position for optimum toasting.  You could always change it up or down, as you desire, and return it back to its original setting.</p><p>"Defaults", as we know them, have always been there, though perhaps not called as such.  The term "default" technically means "failure to act", and throughout its history has had negative connotations, which is why the author may not have seen it in the same context when reading pre-computer nomenclature.  "Base settings", or "factory configurations" are synonymous in this context.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -dZ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
The author implies that mechanical systems built before the 1960s came without built-in functionality or options .
For an obvious example , take the toaster : since the dawn of the bread-toasting craze , it has included a " browning " control .
This mechanical control , be it a knob , slider , or switch , had a base setting which was calibrated at the factory .
This was its " default " position for optimum toasting .
You could always change it up or down , as you desire , and return it back to its original setting .
" Defaults " , as we know them , have always been there , though perhaps not called as such .
The term " default " technically means " failure to act " , and throughout its history has had negative connotations , which is why the author may not have seen it in the same context when reading pre-computer nomenclature .
" Base settings " , or " factory configurations " are synonymous in this context .
          -dZ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
The author implies that mechanical systems built before the 1960s came without built-in functionality or options.
For an obvious example, take the toaster:  since the dawn of the bread-toasting craze, it has included a "browning" control.
This mechanical control, be it a knob, slider, or switch, had a base setting which was calibrated at the factory.
This was its "default" position for optimum toasting.
You could always change it up or down, as you desire, and return it back to its original setting.
"Defaults", as we know them, have always been there, though perhaps not called as such.
The term "default" technically means "failure to act", and throughout its history has had negative connotations, which is why the author may not have seen it in the same context when reading pre-computer nomenclature.
"Base settings", or "factory configurations" are synonymous in this context.
          -dZ.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450549</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>WetCat</author>
	<datestamp>1245841260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Russian, this has been split into two meanings:<br>- "po-umolchaniu" - this is about computer or equipment default settings<br>- "defolt" - about financial situations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Russian , this has been split into two meanings : - " po-umolchaniu " - this is about computer or equipment default settings- " defolt " - about financial situations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Russian, this has been split into two meanings:- "po-umolchaniu" - this is about computer or equipment default settings- "defolt" - about financial situations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449445</id>
	<title>It's not my fault</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>response by default</htmltext>
<tokenext>response by default</tokentext>
<sentencetext>response by default</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28452057</id>
	<title>Re:Pre-1950 systems with configurable defaults.</title>
	<author>ari\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1245856620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The law has been a set of default configurations more or less since the invention of the contract.  By default, you cannot trespass on another man's land.  By default, the damages you can recover for breach of a contractual agreement are limited to the amount that the breaching party could have foreseen you would incur.
<br> <br>
Others have mentioned product defaults.  The default Model T color was black. (Of course, that one was only user-configurable with a paint brush.)  There were also service defaults.  You had to buy an Air Mail stamp to get your letter off the ground.
<br> <br>
As to configurable systems like you mentioned, though, while I am not personally knowledgeable about anything earlier than that I am sure that others existed.  It is next to impossible to come up with a process that does not have a default configuration, and it is human nature to desire the ability to change that configuration to suit oneself.
<br> <br>
The article is stupid and so is the editor who approved it for the main page.  But we already knew that before getting to the text of the summary.  This belongs on Idle, at best.  I thought that Idle was added to keep all this crap in one place, but of course the editors would all have to be bright enough to put idle nonsense there for that plan to work.  Maybe the default category should be set to Idle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The law has been a set of default configurations more or less since the invention of the contract .
By default , you can not trespass on another man 's land .
By default , the damages you can recover for breach of a contractual agreement are limited to the amount that the breaching party could have foreseen you would incur .
Others have mentioned product defaults .
The default Model T color was black .
( Of course , that one was only user-configurable with a paint brush .
) There were also service defaults .
You had to buy an Air Mail stamp to get your letter off the ground .
As to configurable systems like you mentioned , though , while I am not personally knowledgeable about anything earlier than that I am sure that others existed .
It is next to impossible to come up with a process that does not have a default configuration , and it is human nature to desire the ability to change that configuration to suit oneself .
The article is stupid and so is the editor who approved it for the main page .
But we already knew that before getting to the text of the summary .
This belongs on Idle , at best .
I thought that Idle was added to keep all this crap in one place , but of course the editors would all have to be bright enough to put idle nonsense there for that plan to work .
Maybe the default category should be set to Idle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The law has been a set of default configurations more or less since the invention of the contract.
By default, you cannot trespass on another man's land.
By default, the damages you can recover for breach of a contractual agreement are limited to the amount that the breaching party could have foreseen you would incur.
Others have mentioned product defaults.
The default Model T color was black.
(Of course, that one was only user-configurable with a paint brush.
)  There were also service defaults.
You had to buy an Air Mail stamp to get your letter off the ground.
As to configurable systems like you mentioned, though, while I am not personally knowledgeable about anything earlier than that I am sure that others existed.
It is next to impossible to come up with a process that does not have a default configuration, and it is human nature to desire the ability to change that configuration to suit oneself.
The article is stupid and so is the editor who approved it for the main page.
But we already knew that before getting to the text of the summary.
This belongs on Idle, at best.
I thought that Idle was added to keep all this crap in one place, but of course the editors would all have to be bright enough to put idle nonsense there for that plan to work.
Maybe the default category should be set to Idle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451929</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>Saija</author>
	<datestamp>1245855900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Spanish its "Por Defecto"(By default), like "Opcion por defecto"(default option) and so on...</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Spanish its " Por Defecto " ( By default ) , like " Opcion por defecto " ( default option ) and so on.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Spanish its "Por Defecto"(By default), like "Opcion por defecto"(default option) and so on...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449459</id>
	<title>Netcraft confirms *BSD is dying</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Suicide is Painless</p><p>In 2000, chief *BSD developer Matt Damon left the project after penning a long, meandering suicide note, loosely based on a novel by renowned playwright Buzz Aldrin.</p><p>
    FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.</p><p>
    It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.</p><p>[edit] Netcraft Weighs In</p><p>Not long after Matt's suicide, the United Nations Commission for Wresting Control of the DNS Root Servers from the Imperialist United States ("UN-USA")'s Netcraft project weighed in with its final judgement. In typical Netcraft fashion, the writer kept to the facts and looked to the numbers:</p><p>
    It is now official. Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying</p><p>
    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.</p><p>
    You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.</p><p>
    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93\% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.</p><p>
    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.</p><p>
    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.</p><p>
    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.</p><p>
    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.</p><p>That crippling bombshell sent *BSD fans into</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Suicide is PainlessIn 2000 , chief * BSD developer Matt Damon left the project after penning a long , meandering suicide note , loosely based on a novel by renowned playwright Buzz Aldrin .
FreeBSD used to be fun .
It used to be about doing things the right way .
It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down .
It was something cool and exciting ; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile .
It 's not anymore .
It 's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones , telling others what to do and doing what you 're told .
It 's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best .
Individuals notwithstanding , the project as a whole has lost track of where it 's going , and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics .
[ edit ] Netcraft Weighs InNot long after Matt 's suicide , the United Nations Commission for Wresting Control of the DNS Root Servers from the Imperialist United States ( " UN-USA " ) 's Netcraft project weighed in with its final judgement .
In typical Netcraft fashion , the writer kept to the facts and looked to the numbers : It is now official .
Netcraft has confirmed : * BSD is dying One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered * BSD community when IDC confirmed that * BSD market share has dropped yet again , now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers .
Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that * BSD has lost more market share , this news serves to reinforce what we 've known all along .
* BSD is collapsing in complete disarray , as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [ samag.com ] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test .
You do n't need to be the Amazing Kreskin [ amazingkreskin.com ] to predict * BSD 's future .
The hand writing is on the wall : * BSD faces a bleak future .
In fact there wo n't be any future at all for * BSD because * BSD is dying .
Things are looking very bad for * BSD .
As many of us are already aware , * BSD continues to lose market share .
Red ink flows like a river of blood .
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all , having lost 93 \ % of its core developers .
The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly .
There can no longer be any doubt : FreeBSD is dying .
Let 's keep to the facts and look at the numbers .
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD .
How many users of NetBSD are there ?
Let 's see .
The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1 .
Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users .
BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts .
Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS .
A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the * BSD market .
Therefore there are ( 7000 + 1400 + 700 ) * 4 = 36400 FreeBSD users .
This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts .
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek , abysmal sales and so on , FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS .
Now BSDI is also dead , its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house .
All major surveys show that * BSD has steadily declined in market share .
* BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim .
If * BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers .
* BSD continues to decay .
Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time .
For all practical purposes , * BSD is dead.That crippling bombshell sent * BSD fans into</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suicide is PainlessIn 2000, chief *BSD developer Matt Damon left the project after penning a long, meandering suicide note, loosely based on a novel by renowned playwright Buzz Aldrin.
FreeBSD used to be fun.
It used to be about doing things the right way.
It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down.
It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.
It's not anymore.
It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told.
It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best.
Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.
[edit] Netcraft Weighs InNot long after Matt's suicide, the United Nations Commission for Wresting Control of the DNS Root Servers from the Imperialist United States ("UN-USA")'s Netcraft project weighed in with its final judgement.
In typical Netcraft fashion, the writer kept to the facts and looked to the numbers:
    It is now official.
Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying
    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers.
Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along.
*BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future.
The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future.
In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying.
Things are looking very bad for *BSD.
As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share.
Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93\% of its core developers.
The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly.
There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD.
How many users of NetBSD are there?
Let's see.
The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1.
Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users.
BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts.
Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS.
A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market.
Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users.
This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS.
Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share.
*BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim.
If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers.
*BSD continues to decay.
Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time.
For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.That crippling bombshell sent *BSD fans into</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450501</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>wisdom\_brewing</author>
	<datestamp>1245840420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why "default" rather than "standard"? Why are people constantly giving words multiple meanings? bastards.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why " default " rather than " standard " ?
Why are people constantly giving words multiple meanings ?
bastards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why "default" rather than "standard"?
Why are people constantly giving words multiple meanings?
bastards.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449711</id>
	<title>On the not so humble paean</title>
	<author>tgv</author>
	<datestamp>1245785580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does convoluted writing add credibility to your statement?</p><p>Does not knowing the slightest thing about cognitive psychology help you get attention?</p><p>Not in the rest of the world, but on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. it gets you to the front page.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does convoluted writing add credibility to your statement ? Does not knowing the slightest thing about cognitive psychology help you get attention ? Not in the rest of the world , but on / .
it gets you to the front page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does convoluted writing add credibility to your statement?Does not knowing the slightest thing about cognitive psychology help you get attention?Not in the rest of the world, but on /.
it gets you to the front page.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449567</id>
	<title>Default is way older</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245784260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We might not have called it that, but default solutions and default products have been around since the invention of mass production. From then on, there was a "default" product, a standard product that works as the default if you didn't order something specifically different.</p><p>Hell, even the spanish inquisition had a default verdict.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We might not have called it that , but default solutions and default products have been around since the invention of mass production .
From then on , there was a " default " product , a standard product that works as the default if you did n't order something specifically different.Hell , even the spanish inquisition had a default verdict .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We might not have called it that, but default solutions and default products have been around since the invention of mass production.
From then on, there was a "default" product, a standard product that works as the default if you didn't order something specifically different.Hell, even the spanish inquisition had a default verdict.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449629</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245784740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That is a standard, not a default. A default is a common initial setting, e.g. all light switches starting out in the 'off' position when installed (which is a terrible example).</htmltext>
<tokenext>That is a standard , not a default .
A default is a common initial setting , e.g .
all light switches starting out in the 'off ' position when installed ( which is a terrible example ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is a standard, not a default.
A default is a common initial setting, e.g.
all light switches starting out in the 'off' position when installed (which is a terrible example).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449497</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449507</id>
	<title>Not only that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... but them damn defaults are also responsible for a good number of security vulnerabilities. Default passwords and what not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... but them damn defaults are also responsible for a good number of security vulnerabilities .
Default passwords and what not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but them damn defaults are also responsible for a good number of security vulnerabilities.
Default passwords and what not.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451277</id>
	<title>Re:Bah-loney</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1245851400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a French person, I resent what the author is implying. Defau(l)t is a french word. It means "inaction", "failure", or "inactive state". And if anybody invented "inaction", we certainly did. We have prior art. It's part of our cultural heritage. And you guys, you were just lucky that we even taught it to Great Britain in the twelve century, for without that specialized knowledge, that special concept of defaults would never even have arrived in America!!</p></div><p>You may have invented it, but we perfected it!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a French person , I resent what the author is implying .
Defau ( l ) t is a french word .
It means " inaction " , " failure " , or " inactive state " .
And if anybody invented " inaction " , we certainly did .
We have prior art .
It 's part of our cultural heritage .
And you guys , you were just lucky that we even taught it to Great Britain in the twelve century , for without that specialized knowledge , that special concept of defaults would never even have arrived in America !
! You may have invented it , but we perfected it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a French person, I resent what the author is implying.
Defau(l)t is a french word.
It means "inaction", "failure", or "inactive state".
And if anybody invented "inaction", we certainly did.
We have prior art.
It's part of our cultural heritage.
And you guys, you were just lucky that we even taught it to Great Britain in the twelve century, for without that specialized knowledge, that special concept of defaults would never even have arrived in America!
!You may have invented it, but we perfected it!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449979</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28453063</id>
	<title>That's no default!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245861000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the US, having a light-switch up for on is not the default.  It is the legally required setting.  You cannot install the switch the other way without breakng a law called The National Electical Code.  Likewise, you can't drive on the left side of the road in the US without break the vehicle code.  Of course, one is more likely to be prosecuted than the other.  But believe me, if you do your own wiring, the inspector will not sign off your bulding permit until you comply.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the US , having a light-switch up for on is not the default .
It is the legally required setting .
You can not install the switch the other way without breakng a law called The National Electical Code .
Likewise , you ca n't drive on the left side of the road in the US without break the vehicle code .
Of course , one is more likely to be prosecuted than the other .
But believe me , if you do your own wiring , the inspector will not sign off your bulding permit until you comply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the US, having a light-switch up for on is not the default.
It is the legally required setting.
You cannot install the switch the other way without breakng a law called The National Electical Code.
Likewise, you can't drive on the left side of the road in the US without break the vehicle code.
Of course, one is more likely to be prosecuted than the other.
But believe me, if you do your own wiring, the inspector will not sign off your bulding permit until you comply.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450459</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450907</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1245847080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Asking because I had trouble figuring out a good word for it in Hindi.</p></div><p>Don't most Indians speak English too?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Asking because I had trouble figuring out a good word for it in Hindi.Do n't most Indians speak English too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Asking because I had trouble figuring out a good word for it in Hindi.Don't most Indians speak English too?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451221</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot defaults</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1245851040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, there's a way to automatically parse line breaks?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , there 's a way to automatically parse line breaks ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, there's a way to automatically parse line breaks?
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449465</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28461271</id>
	<title>Re:Default is way older</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245851220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the decades I worked for IBM we were bedeviled by defaults. The equipment arrived with the defaults in place but the manuals had recommended settings which were necessary for it to work. The defaults were never the same as the recommended settings, ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the decades I worked for IBM we were bedeviled by defaults .
The equipment arrived with the defaults in place but the manuals had recommended settings which were necessary for it to work .
The defaults were never the same as the recommended settings , ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the decades I worked for IBM we were bedeviled by defaults.
The equipment arrived with the defaults in place but the manuals had recommended settings which were necessary for it to work.
The defaults were never the same as the recommended settings, ever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449567</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451587</id>
	<title>Re:Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>clam666</author>
	<datestamp>1245853860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Countries that don't speak English are, by default, terrorists.  Don't you watch the news?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Countries that do n't speak English are , by default , terrorists .
Do n't you watch the news ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Countries that don't speak English are, by default, terrorists.
Don't you watch the news?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450459</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449759</id>
	<title>A few examples</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245786120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know if defaults really appeared in the 1960's in IT, but this guy has a point : computers and others toys have become so somplex these days that the quality of a device or application often lies in the choices made by its designers. A few examples:<ul>
<li>Apple is excellent at producing things which "just work", among others because the default values are chosen with care, and only a few can be overriden with a configuration GUI. Some people like it, some hate it.</li><li>FireFox is a great browser because its default values are also chosen with care, so that an "out of the box" FireFox is easy to use and relatively safe at the same time. Contrarily to Apple, however, FireFox's default settings can be altered; this can be done at different levels (native configuration GUI, extensions, or about:config) depending on the user's capabilities. What makes FireFox great is that it is at the same time a good browser for beginners AND for advanced users.</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if defaults really appeared in the 1960 's in IT , but this guy has a point : computers and others toys have become so somplex these days that the quality of a device or application often lies in the choices made by its designers .
A few examples : Apple is excellent at producing things which " just work " , among others because the default values are chosen with care , and only a few can be overriden with a configuration GUI .
Some people like it , some hate it.FireFox is a great browser because its default values are also chosen with care , so that an " out of the box " FireFox is easy to use and relatively safe at the same time .
Contrarily to Apple , however , FireFox 's default settings can be altered ; this can be done at different levels ( native configuration GUI , extensions , or about : config ) depending on the user 's capabilities .
What makes FireFox great is that it is at the same time a good browser for beginners AND for advanced users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if defaults really appeared in the 1960's in IT, but this guy has a point : computers and others toys have become so somplex these days that the quality of a device or application often lies in the choices made by its designers.
A few examples:
Apple is excellent at producing things which "just work", among others because the default values are chosen with care, and only a few can be overriden with a configuration GUI.
Some people like it, some hate it.FireFox is a great browser because its default values are also chosen with care, so that an "out of the box" FireFox is easy to use and relatively safe at the same time.
Contrarily to Apple, however, FireFox's default settings can be altered; this can be done at different levels (native configuration GUI, extensions, or about:config) depending on the user's capabilities.
What makes FireFox great is that it is at the same time a good browser for beginners AND for advanced users.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28455353</id>
	<title>Only 10\% of users even consider changing defaults</title>
	<author>Xoc-S</author>
	<datestamp>1245868860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was at a meeting at Microsoft recently. A program manager on Visual Studio said that in their metrics, only 10\% of the people <i>ever</i> open the Options dialog in a program, much less change anything. For that reason, the default configurations have to be right, and it takes a very strong argument to add the feature to make changing the default configurations even possible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was at a meeting at Microsoft recently .
A program manager on Visual Studio said that in their metrics , only 10 \ % of the people ever open the Options dialog in a program , much less change anything .
For that reason , the default configurations have to be right , and it takes a very strong argument to add the feature to make changing the default configurations even possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was at a meeting at Microsoft recently.
A program manager on Visual Studio said that in their metrics, only 10\% of the people ever open the Options dialog in a program, much less change anything.
For that reason, the default configurations have to be right, and it takes a very strong argument to add the feature to make changing the default configurations even possible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449775</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450743</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot defaults</title>
	<author>gravyface</author>
	<datestamp>1245844320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And would it kill them to put in a WYSIWYG toolbar (tinyMCE, fckeditor, etc.)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And would it kill them to put in a WYSIWYG toolbar ( tinyMCE , fckeditor , etc .
) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And would it kill them to put in a WYSIWYG toolbar (tinyMCE, fckeditor, etc.
)?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449465</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450411</id>
	<title>Oh bullshit.</title>
	<author>niteshifter</author>
	<datestamp>1245838920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got a feeling I'm one of the few (maybe the only) here who has ever programmed an analog computer. They had default settings, be they operational amplifier (electronic) or shaft/cam/lever (mechanical) designs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a feeling I 'm one of the few ( maybe the only ) here who has ever programmed an analog computer .
They had default settings , be they operational amplifier ( electronic ) or shaft/cam/lever ( mechanical ) designs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a feeling I'm one of the few (maybe the only) here who has ever programmed an analog computer.
They had default settings, be they operational amplifier (electronic) or shaft/cam/lever (mechanical) designs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28463269</id>
	<title>This is good history of ideas</title>
	<author>adpads</author>
	<datestamp>1245870180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is good Foucauldian history. The author has an excellent point about a nearly invisible way that choice is structured in our age. The fact that the word 'default' has a long etymology, like all words do is natural enough - and even that the technology had a predecessor in the way that NY subway trains were routed in the 1930s only serves to reinforce the author's point. Nothing is ever born out of nothing: it evolves - repetition with a difference. What the author has identified is a really important aspect of the management of knowledge in our age (all the more clearly so because it appears so 'basic' to us), and I think it's really insightful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is good Foucauldian history .
The author has an excellent point about a nearly invisible way that choice is structured in our age .
The fact that the word 'default ' has a long etymology , like all words do is natural enough - and even that the technology had a predecessor in the way that NY subway trains were routed in the 1930s only serves to reinforce the author 's point .
Nothing is ever born out of nothing : it evolves - repetition with a difference .
What the author has identified is a really important aspect of the management of knowledge in our age ( all the more clearly so because it appears so 'basic ' to us ) , and I think it 's really insightful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is good Foucauldian history.
The author has an excellent point about a nearly invisible way that choice is structured in our age.
The fact that the word 'default' has a long etymology, like all words do is natural enough - and even that the technology had a predecessor in the way that NY subway trains were routed in the 1930s only serves to reinforce the author's point.
Nothing is ever born out of nothing: it evolves - repetition with a difference.
What the author has identified is a really important aspect of the management of knowledge in our age (all the more clearly so because it appears so 'basic' to us), and I think it's really insightful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450747</id>
	<title>The concept is 'choice' - defaults follow</title>
	<author>St.Creed</author>
	<datestamp>1245844380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The concept of default arrived when choices started to appear. The 'default' paintjob on the T-Ford was black. No sense in calling it default then. When choices appear you also have people saying 'duh, i don't care'. Hence the default (cheapest) option provided by the producer. Did someone really need a whole article for this?
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The concept of default arrived when choices started to appear .
The 'default ' paintjob on the T-Ford was black .
No sense in calling it default then .
When choices appear you also have people saying 'duh , i do n't care' .
Hence the default ( cheapest ) option provided by the producer .
Did someone really need a whole article for this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The concept of default arrived when choices started to appear.
The 'default' paintjob on the T-Ford was black.
No sense in calling it default then.
When choices appear you also have people saying 'duh, i don't care'.
Hence the default (cheapest) option provided by the producer.
Did someone really need a whole article for this?
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450349</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>Novus</author>
	<datestamp>1245837540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Assuming we're talking about the noun "default", it translates very differently to different languages. For example, Finnish uses constructions based on "oletus-" ("assumed"), such as "oletusarvo" (default value) or "oletusselain" (default browser). In Swedish, "f&ouml;rvald" ("preselected") is used for default somethings (e.g. "f&ouml;rvalt v&auml;rde" for default value) and a default in general is a "f&ouml;rval" ("preselection").</p><p>Spend enough time using a translated computer system or studying or practising CS in a language and you'll pick up the terminology. The problems start when translators have decided to translate things differently. For example, both Windows and Mac OS have "File" menus, but Finnish Windows calls them "Tiedosto" ("File") and Finnish Mac OS (IIRC) calls them "Arkisto" ("Archive").</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Assuming we 're talking about the noun " default " , it translates very differently to different languages .
For example , Finnish uses constructions based on " oletus- " ( " assumed " ) , such as " oletusarvo " ( default value ) or " oletusselain " ( default browser ) .
In Swedish , " f   rvald " ( " preselected " ) is used for default somethings ( e.g .
" f   rvalt v   rde " for default value ) and a default in general is a " f   rval " ( " preselection " ) .Spend enough time using a translated computer system or studying or practising CS in a language and you 'll pick up the terminology .
The problems start when translators have decided to translate things differently .
For example , both Windows and Mac OS have " File " menus , but Finnish Windows calls them " Tiedosto " ( " File " ) and Finnish Mac OS ( IIRC ) calls them " Arkisto " ( " Archive " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assuming we're talking about the noun "default", it translates very differently to different languages.
For example, Finnish uses constructions based on "oletus-" ("assumed"), such as "oletusarvo" (default value) or "oletusselain" (default browser).
In Swedish, "förvald" ("preselected") is used for default somethings (e.g.
"förvalt värde" for default value) and a default in general is a "förval" ("preselection").Spend enough time using a translated computer system or studying or practising CS in a language and you'll pick up the terminology.
The problems start when translators have decided to translate things differently.
For example, both Windows and Mac OS have "File" menus, but Finnish Windows calls them "Tiedosto" ("File") and Finnish Mac OS (IIRC) calls them "Arkisto" ("Archive").</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449733</id>
	<title>In fashion everywhere I work</title>
	<author>xcut</author>
	<datestamp>1245785820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ever since Lehman Brothers, the default has definitely been making a comeback. Let's see how much money I lost today.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ever since Lehman Brothers , the default has definitely been making a comeback .
Let 's see how much money I lost today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ever since Lehman Brothers, the default has definitely been making a comeback.
Let's see how much money I lost today.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450993</id>
	<title>Re:Bah-loney</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1245848340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am fairly sure default wasn't originally intended as the "configurable initial state". But more of a "Safe Mode" settings where things can work and you can put your configurations back. So default was actually a state when an error occurred. However over time people started to realize for most of their usage the default configuration was rather optimal for their needs thus started to change the meaning of the word from a failure state to a preconfigured initial state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am fairly sure default was n't originally intended as the " configurable initial state " .
But more of a " Safe Mode " settings where things can work and you can put your configurations back .
So default was actually a state when an error occurred .
However over time people started to realize for most of their usage the default configuration was rather optimal for their needs thus started to change the meaning of the word from a failure state to a preconfigured initial state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am fairly sure default wasn't originally intended as the "configurable initial state".
But more of a "Safe Mode" settings where things can work and you can put your configurations back.
So default was actually a state when an error occurred.
However over time people started to realize for most of their usage the default configuration was rather optimal for their needs thus started to change the meaning of the word from a failure state to a preconfigured initial state.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451159</id>
	<title>Two greatest words in the English language!</title>
	<author>ahow628</author>
	<datestamp>1245850380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>DE FAULT!</htmltext>
<tokenext>DE FAULT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DE FAULT!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28459827</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>trickycamel</author>
	<datestamp>1245842880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also pretty easy in Russian.  Literally translated, means something like "in the event of silence" or "when unspecified."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also pretty easy in Russian .
Literally translated , means something like " in the event of silence " or " when unspecified .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also pretty easy in Russian.
Literally translated, means something like "in the event of silence" or "when unspecified.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451835</id>
	<title>Definition: default</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1245855360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Default: What you should do on student loans when you can't make payments on both them AND the rent.</p><p>(not me, some story I saw on one of those newsmag shows).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Default : What you should do on student loans when you ca n't make payments on both them AND the rent .
( not me , some story I saw on one of those newsmag shows ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Default: What you should do on student loans when you can't make payments on both them AND the rent.
(not me, some story I saw on one of those newsmag shows).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449597</id>
	<title>wow zzz</title>
	<author>cathector</author>
	<datestamp>1245784380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Choices materialize when summoned. [rest elided]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Choices materialize when summoned .
[ rest elided ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Choices materialize when summoned.
[rest elided]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450311</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245836580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>English language has so very very few words that I would imagine translating FROM English to some other language would rarely be a problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>English language has so very very few words that I would imagine translating FROM English to some other language would rarely be a problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>English language has so very very few words that I would imagine translating FROM English to some other language would rarely be a problem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450581</id>
	<title>What I'd really like...</title>
	<author>Godwin O'Hitler</author>
	<datestamp>1245841740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...is for there always to be a "restore itemised factory defaults" function as well as the usual "restore the whole fucking lot and sacrifice all the customisations you've spent months getting right" function.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...is for there always to be a " restore itemised factory defaults " function as well as the usual " restore the whole fucking lot and sacrifice all the customisations you 've spent months getting right " function .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is for there always to be a "restore itemised factory defaults" function as well as the usual "restore the whole fucking lot and sacrifice all the customisations you've spent months getting right" function.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450125</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>Tinctorius</author>
	<datestamp>1245877140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I often see it translated as "standaard" (adj.), mostly as "standaardwaarde" ("standard value") in Dutch. A more accurate translation would be "verstekwaarde" (literally "default value"), but I doubt many users would understand that word nowadays.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I often see it translated as " standaard " ( adj .
) , mostly as " standaardwaarde " ( " standard value " ) in Dutch .
A more accurate translation would be " verstekwaarde " ( literally " default value " ) , but I doubt many users would understand that word nowadays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I often see it translated as "standaard" (adj.
), mostly as "standaardwaarde" ("standard value") in Dutch.
A more accurate translation would be "verstekwaarde" (literally "default value"), but I doubt many users would understand that word nowadays.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449685</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28453129</id>
	<title>Default is a *simplification*!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1245861300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, that a good set of defaults is the best thing a software can have. But most deveolpers are not thinking this to the end.<br>Defaults are the solution, for the perfect merger, of freedom, and simplicity (which is closely related to efficiency, but not the same, and often confused). That's why they are so important.</p><p>Two examples are Gnome and KDE, the old arch rival friends.</p><p>Gnome decided, that the most important part, is simplicity. But their developers thought, you could not reach this, without removing freedom. So they hard-coded options, which also saved them the time to implement the other options. But in the end it was a pointless loss of efficiency and freedom, because of laziness and that false dichotomy.</p><p>KDE decided, that freedom is the most important part. But their developers thought, you could not reach this, without removing simplicity. So they added every option and feature they could think of, which unfortunately killed it for users who just want to use it, and not do a thousand decisions every time they use something with an obvious default. In the end, this was pointless too, because of the loss of efficiency and simplicity, because of that same false dichotomy.</p><p>If you now think, that I show no respect for their hard efforts, to make a good desktop environment, you are wrong. I love their hard work, that they are doing entirely *for free*. So I can't make any demands anyway, and so can't you. But you can inspire them with your ideas for improvements!</p><p>And my idea here, is that you can have both. Without any losses. Freedom <em>and</em> simplicity.<br>Trough actually allowing choices, and implementing options. (I think you can do much better there, Gnome developers!)<br>And then choosing the absolute best defaults. These are the defaults that are determined by the usage patters of your user base. And nothing else. (I think you both can do better there, KDE and Gnome developers!)<br>And then there is a second level of defaults. Those of the specific user.</p><p>The idea is that you only change the things, where your preferences differ from the usual. Of the user base. And of your own usual usage.<br>Apart from that, those choices and options have to be completely out of the view and not disturb you in any way (I think you can do much better there, KDE developers!), but be available in the blink of an eye.</p><p>And finally, to perfect it, and actually make a step beyond the basics that are know for decades, offer a hierarchic set of presets.<br>On the fist level, offer people to download and activate one of many presets for <em>the whole of KDE or Gnome</em>, on installation. And let them make their own.<br>On the second level, offer a choice and the creation of presets for specific applications and application groups. Just by having a preset on-line browser on the first start, and giving you an export and publish function for your configuration state.<br>Those global presets could be created out of those specific presets, by bundling them.</p><p>That way, a designer could choose the (in)official "Designer" master preset, but the "Kenny's DVD authoring presets" group, for the burning and video applications. And then only have to set one single option, to reach his state of perfection, in terms of efficiency without playing with that thing all day long, just to be able to use it like he wants.</p><p>As a final thought, I hope at least someone will be inspired by this.<br>Remember that I wrote this, to improve the state. Not to to slam anyone. So I also hope that I'm not misunderstood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , that a good set of defaults is the best thing a software can have .
But most deveolpers are not thinking this to the end.Defaults are the solution , for the perfect merger , of freedom , and simplicity ( which is closely related to efficiency , but not the same , and often confused ) .
That 's why they are so important.Two examples are Gnome and KDE , the old arch rival friends.Gnome decided , that the most important part , is simplicity .
But their developers thought , you could not reach this , without removing freedom .
So they hard-coded options , which also saved them the time to implement the other options .
But in the end it was a pointless loss of efficiency and freedom , because of laziness and that false dichotomy.KDE decided , that freedom is the most important part .
But their developers thought , you could not reach this , without removing simplicity .
So they added every option and feature they could think of , which unfortunately killed it for users who just want to use it , and not do a thousand decisions every time they use something with an obvious default .
In the end , this was pointless too , because of the loss of efficiency and simplicity , because of that same false dichotomy.If you now think , that I show no respect for their hard efforts , to make a good desktop environment , you are wrong .
I love their hard work , that they are doing entirely * for free * .
So I ca n't make any demands anyway , and so ca n't you .
But you can inspire them with your ideas for improvements ! And my idea here , is that you can have both .
Without any losses .
Freedom and simplicity.Trough actually allowing choices , and implementing options .
( I think you can do much better there , Gnome developers !
) And then choosing the absolute best defaults .
These are the defaults that are determined by the usage patters of your user base .
And nothing else .
( I think you both can do better there , KDE and Gnome developers !
) And then there is a second level of defaults .
Those of the specific user.The idea is that you only change the things , where your preferences differ from the usual .
Of the user base .
And of your own usual usage.Apart from that , those choices and options have to be completely out of the view and not disturb you in any way ( I think you can do much better there , KDE developers !
) , but be available in the blink of an eye.And finally , to perfect it , and actually make a step beyond the basics that are know for decades , offer a hierarchic set of presets.On the fist level , offer people to download and activate one of many presets for the whole of KDE or Gnome , on installation .
And let them make their own.On the second level , offer a choice and the creation of presets for specific applications and application groups .
Just by having a preset on-line browser on the first start , and giving you an export and publish function for your configuration state.Those global presets could be created out of those specific presets , by bundling them.That way , a designer could choose the ( in ) official " Designer " master preset , but the " Kenny 's DVD authoring presets " group , for the burning and video applications .
And then only have to set one single option , to reach his state of perfection , in terms of efficiency without playing with that thing all day long , just to be able to use it like he wants.As a final thought , I hope at least someone will be inspired by this.Remember that I wrote this , to improve the state .
Not to to slam anyone .
So I also hope that I 'm not misunderstood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, that a good set of defaults is the best thing a software can have.
But most deveolpers are not thinking this to the end.Defaults are the solution, for the perfect merger, of freedom, and simplicity (which is closely related to efficiency, but not the same, and often confused).
That's why they are so important.Two examples are Gnome and KDE, the old arch rival friends.Gnome decided, that the most important part, is simplicity.
But their developers thought, you could not reach this, without removing freedom.
So they hard-coded options, which also saved them the time to implement the other options.
But in the end it was a pointless loss of efficiency and freedom, because of laziness and that false dichotomy.KDE decided, that freedom is the most important part.
But their developers thought, you could not reach this, without removing simplicity.
So they added every option and feature they could think of, which unfortunately killed it for users who just want to use it, and not do a thousand decisions every time they use something with an obvious default.
In the end, this was pointless too, because of the loss of efficiency and simplicity, because of that same false dichotomy.If you now think, that I show no respect for their hard efforts, to make a good desktop environment, you are wrong.
I love their hard work, that they are doing entirely *for free*.
So I can't make any demands anyway, and so can't you.
But you can inspire them with your ideas for improvements!And my idea here, is that you can have both.
Without any losses.
Freedom and simplicity.Trough actually allowing choices, and implementing options.
(I think you can do much better there, Gnome developers!
)And then choosing the absolute best defaults.
These are the defaults that are determined by the usage patters of your user base.
And nothing else.
(I think you both can do better there, KDE and Gnome developers!
)And then there is a second level of defaults.
Those of the specific user.The idea is that you only change the things, where your preferences differ from the usual.
Of the user base.
And of your own usual usage.Apart from that, those choices and options have to be completely out of the view and not disturb you in any way (I think you can do much better there, KDE developers!
), but be available in the blink of an eye.And finally, to perfect it, and actually make a step beyond the basics that are know for decades, offer a hierarchic set of presets.On the fist level, offer people to download and activate one of many presets for the whole of KDE or Gnome, on installation.
And let them make their own.On the second level, offer a choice and the creation of presets for specific applications and application groups.
Just by having a preset on-line browser on the first start, and giving you an export and publish function for your configuration state.Those global presets could be created out of those specific presets, by bundling them.That way, a designer could choose the (in)official "Designer" master preset, but the "Kenny's DVD authoring presets" group, for the burning and video applications.
And then only have to set one single option, to reach his state of perfection, in terms of efficiency without playing with that thing all day long, just to be able to use it like he wants.As a final thought, I hope at least someone will be inspired by this.Remember that I wrote this, to improve the state.
Not to to slam anyone.
So I also hope that I'm not misunderstood.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450407</id>
	<title>Re:A good translation for default to other languag</title>
	<author>jez9999</author>
	<datestamp>1245838860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>How difficult/easy was it to find a translation for "default" for user manuals in, say, [...] fr?</i></p><p>'Default' actually COMES from french.  The translation is d&eacute;faut.  Surely you could've found that out pretty easily.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How difficult/easy was it to find a translation for " default " for user manuals in , say , [ ... ] fr ?
'Default ' actually COMES from french .
The translation is d   faut .
Surely you could 've found that out pretty easily .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How difficult/easy was it to find a translation for "default" for user manuals in, say, [...] fr?
'Default' actually COMES from french.
The translation is défaut.
Surely you could've found that out pretty easily.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28449463</id>
	<title>It's not default...</title>
	<author>realnrh</author>
	<datestamp>1245783240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>... of de programming language that your code doesn't compile!</htmltext>
<tokenext>... of de programming language that your code does n't compile !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... of de programming language that your code doesn't compile!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28450489</id>
	<title>*Real* geeks</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1245840120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Real geeks submit comments using their own home-grown browsegmentation fault</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Real geeks submit comments using their own home-grown browsegmentation fault</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Real geeks submit comments using their own home-grown browsegmentation fault</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_2338230.28451619</id>
	<title>Re:On the not so humble paean</title>
	<author>iHal</author>
	<datestamp>1245854160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>@ TGV - Agreed; well on the first part of point two (... that's just me being nice to the poster).  If anything, the concept of "default" is a discovery, not an invention as the post claims.  If you look at biological and cognitive systems you see "defaults" everywhere...instincts, reflexes, prepotent responses... are all terms used to describe "default" behavior or functioning in biological systems; and they've been around since before the 60's<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... or so I've been told<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>@ TGV - Agreed ; well on the first part of point two ( ... that 's just me being nice to the poster ) .
If anything , the concept of " default " is a discovery , not an invention as the post claims .
If you look at biological and cognitive systems you see " defaults " everywhere...instincts , reflexes , prepotent responses... are all terms used to describe " default " behavior or functioning in biological systems ; and they 've been around since before the 60 's ... or so I 've been told ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>@ TGV - Agreed; well on the first part of point two (... that's just me being nice to the poster).
If anything, the concept of "default" is a discovery, not an invention as the post claims.
If you look at biological and cognitive systems you see "defaults" everywhere...instincts, reflexes, prepotent responses... are all terms used to describe "default" behavior or functioning in biological systems; and they've been around since before the 60's ... or so I've been told ;)</sentencetext>
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