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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_23_205244</id>
	<title>Apple's Obsession With Secrecy Grows Stronger</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245750120000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"The NY Times has a story on the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/technology/23apple.html">culture of secrecy at Apple</a> (registration possibly required). Secrecy is not just the prevailing communications strategy; it is baked into the corporate culture that had its origin in the release of the first Macintosh. 'It really started around trying to keep the surprise aspect to product launches, which can have a lot of power,' says marketing veteran Regis McKenna who advised Apple in its early days. Today few companies are more secretive than Apple, or as punitive to those who dare violate the company's rules on keeping tight control over information. Employees have been fired for leaking news tidbits to outsiders, and the company has been known to spread disinformation about product plans to its own workers and <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/13/178216&amp;tid=123">sue bloggers who cover the company</a>. Apple's decision to severely limit communication with the news media, shareholders, and the public is at odds with the approach taken by many other companies, and many experts agree that the secrecy that adds surprise and excitement to Apple product announcements is not serving the company well in corporate governance. Some say that recent reports that Steve Jobs may have had a <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/20/1119221/Steve-Jobs-Had-a-Liver-Transplant-Two-Months-Ago">liver transplant</a>, still not confirmed by the company, now makes one of Apple's assertions from January &mdash; that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance &mdash; <a href="http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2009/01/05sjletter.html">seem like a deliberate untruth</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " The NY Times has a story on the culture of secrecy at Apple ( registration possibly required ) .
Secrecy is not just the prevailing communications strategy ; it is baked into the corporate culture that had its origin in the release of the first Macintosh .
'It really started around trying to keep the surprise aspect to product launches , which can have a lot of power, ' says marketing veteran Regis McKenna who advised Apple in its early days .
Today few companies are more secretive than Apple , or as punitive to those who dare violate the company 's rules on keeping tight control over information .
Employees have been fired for leaking news tidbits to outsiders , and the company has been known to spread disinformation about product plans to its own workers and sue bloggers who cover the company .
Apple 's decision to severely limit communication with the news media , shareholders , and the public is at odds with the approach taken by many other companies , and many experts agree that the secrecy that adds surprise and excitement to Apple product announcements is not serving the company well in corporate governance .
Some say that recent reports that Steve Jobs may have had a liver transplant , still not confirmed by the company , now makes one of Apple 's assertions from January    that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance    seem like a deliberate untruth .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times has a story on the culture of secrecy at Apple (registration possibly required).
Secrecy is not just the prevailing communications strategy; it is baked into the corporate culture that had its origin in the release of the first Macintosh.
'It really started around trying to keep the surprise aspect to product launches, which can have a lot of power,' says marketing veteran Regis McKenna who advised Apple in its early days.
Today few companies are more secretive than Apple, or as punitive to those who dare violate the company's rules on keeping tight control over information.
Employees have been fired for leaking news tidbits to outsiders, and the company has been known to spread disinformation about product plans to its own workers and sue bloggers who cover the company.
Apple's decision to severely limit communication with the news media, shareholders, and the public is at odds with the approach taken by many other companies, and many experts agree that the secrecy that adds surprise and excitement to Apple product announcements is not serving the company well in corporate governance.
Some say that recent reports that Steve Jobs may have had a liver transplant, still not confirmed by the company, now makes one of Apple's assertions from January — that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance — seem like a deliberate untruth.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446197</id>
	<title>Not just a deliberate untruth, possibly illegal</title>
	<author>JoshuaZ</author>
	<datestamp>1245755160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a serious question if Apple obeyed the laws for not disclosing more about Jobs' health. There are strict rules about publicly traded companies having to disclose materially relevant information to share holders. Having your CEO, who is known for being extremely influential and essentially responsible for most of your major products, having a severe, life threatening illness and not disclosing it, might very well run afoul of those regulations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a serious question if Apple obeyed the laws for not disclosing more about Jobs ' health .
There are strict rules about publicly traded companies having to disclose materially relevant information to share holders .
Having your CEO , who is known for being extremely influential and essentially responsible for most of your major products , having a severe , life threatening illness and not disclosing it , might very well run afoul of those regulations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a serious question if Apple obeyed the laws for not disclosing more about Jobs' health.
There are strict rules about publicly traded companies having to disclose materially relevant information to share holders.
Having your CEO, who is known for being extremely influential and essentially responsible for most of your major products, having a severe, life threatening illness and not disclosing it, might very well run afoul of those regulations.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Anything is better than Microsoft FUD and whini</title>
	<author>GuldKalle</author>
	<datestamp>1245764760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hello, I'm a mac commercial who likes to criticize the competition...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hello , I 'm a mac commercial who likes to criticize the competition.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hello, I'm a mac commercial who likes to criticize the competition...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447213</id>
	<title>Do CEOs Matter?</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1245760380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From <i>The Atlantic.</i> Ruthlessly compressed.</p><p><i>It has become conventional to think that a corporation, for better or worse, takes on the coloration of its CEO--Jack Welch turns GE into a tribe of aggressive, rigorously unsentimental alpha dogs; Jeff Skilling populates Enron with nihilists expert in gaming the system.</i></p><p><i><br>But how strong is this power--or any executive power?</i></p><p><i><br>James March goes so far as to say that in any well-run company that's conscientious about grooming its managers, candidates for the top job are so similar in their education, skills, and psychology as to be virtually interchangeable. All that matters is that someone be in charge. "Management may be extremely difficult and important even though managers are indistinguishable. It is hard to tell the difference between two different light bulbs also; but if you take all the light bulbs away, it is difficult to read in the dark."</i></p><p><i><br>One problem with the idea of the transformative CEO, able to reshape corporate culture or inspire workers to new heights is that people simply don't feel allegiance to large entities like corporations, no matter who's at the helm. Their loyalties are far more localized. Like infantrymen, their sense of belonging extends to their own platoon but no farther. And in these postmodern times, employees are scornful of grandiose rhetoric about higher purposes and the nobility of their cause. From this perspective, the CEO's power to affect performance, while strong within the immediate team of top executives, rapidly diminishes as it extends beyond that team.</i></p><p><i><br>The highly localized nature of loyalty means that the real power to influence corporate performance resides not with the CEO but with middle management. In the The Truth About Middle Managers, Paul Osterman contends that middle managers are neither "victims," robbed of the ability to act independently by some faceless bureaucracy, nor "villains" like Dilbert's Bozo-haired boss, too clueless to do anything but gum up the works. In Osterman's view, the middle manager is the secret hero in the large corporation's rise to social and economic dominance. That rise "depended on middle managers, because you just couldn't achieve the scale that we have without people doing the kind of planning work that they do." As "craft workers," middle managers value their task, sense its importance to the larger cause, and feel great loyalty to the people they work with. But their loyalty to the corporation is fraying, largely because they see top management hogging all the rewards and glory. "There's more cynicism" in the middle-management ranks now, Osterman says. "There's less willingness to go the extra mile."</i></p><p><i><br>CEOs in some industries have a great deal of discretion. They're known as "Unconstrained Managers." In a company such as Apple, the CEO is the one who decides which new cell phone to release to a waiting public, which chip company will supply the integrated circuits that make it work, and which phone-service providers to partner with.</i></p><p><i><br>In hotly competitive industries where new-product development is crucial and choices about which markets to focus upon are difficult an Unconstrained Manager can have a big impact. Investors worry about Steve Jobs's health because they believe Apple needs his flair for making inspired choices.</i></p><p><i><br>Not every Unconstrained Manager is a Steve Jobs, of course. Donald Hambrick and Sydney Finkelstein, who coined the Titular Figurehead/Unconstrained Manager dichotomy in a 1987 article suggest that the world would be better off if leadership effects were always negligible. "If we had to choose as a society between doing away with Figureheads or Unconstrained Managers," they wrote, "it is the Figureheads we would keep."</i></p><p><i><br>"Good leaders can make a small positive difference; bad leaders can make a huge negative difference," Jeffrey Pfeffer told Fortune in 2006. Many Americans, surveying the aftermath of eight years with an Unconstrained Manager as their chief executive, might be tempted to agree. </i> </p><p> <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200906/steve-jobs" title="theatlantic.com">Do CEOs Matter?</a> [theatlantic.com] [June 2009]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From The Atlantic .
Ruthlessly compressed.It has become conventional to think that a corporation , for better or worse , takes on the coloration of its CEO--Jack Welch turns GE into a tribe of aggressive , rigorously unsentimental alpha dogs ; Jeff Skilling populates Enron with nihilists expert in gaming the system.But how strong is this power--or any executive power ? James March goes so far as to say that in any well-run company that 's conscientious about grooming its managers , candidates for the top job are so similar in their education , skills , and psychology as to be virtually interchangeable .
All that matters is that someone be in charge .
" Management may be extremely difficult and important even though managers are indistinguishable .
It is hard to tell the difference between two different light bulbs also ; but if you take all the light bulbs away , it is difficult to read in the dark .
" One problem with the idea of the transformative CEO , able to reshape corporate culture or inspire workers to new heights is that people simply do n't feel allegiance to large entities like corporations , no matter who 's at the helm .
Their loyalties are far more localized .
Like infantrymen , their sense of belonging extends to their own platoon but no farther .
And in these postmodern times , employees are scornful of grandiose rhetoric about higher purposes and the nobility of their cause .
From this perspective , the CEO 's power to affect performance , while strong within the immediate team of top executives , rapidly diminishes as it extends beyond that team.The highly localized nature of loyalty means that the real power to influence corporate performance resides not with the CEO but with middle management .
In the The Truth About Middle Managers , Paul Osterman contends that middle managers are neither " victims , " robbed of the ability to act independently by some faceless bureaucracy , nor " villains " like Dilbert 's Bozo-haired boss , too clueless to do anything but gum up the works .
In Osterman 's view , the middle manager is the secret hero in the large corporation 's rise to social and economic dominance .
That rise " depended on middle managers , because you just could n't achieve the scale that we have without people doing the kind of planning work that they do .
" As " craft workers , " middle managers value their task , sense its importance to the larger cause , and feel great loyalty to the people they work with .
But their loyalty to the corporation is fraying , largely because they see top management hogging all the rewards and glory .
" There 's more cynicism " in the middle-management ranks now , Osterman says .
" There 's less willingness to go the extra mile .
" CEOs in some industries have a great deal of discretion .
They 're known as " Unconstrained Managers .
" In a company such as Apple , the CEO is the one who decides which new cell phone to release to a waiting public , which chip company will supply the integrated circuits that make it work , and which phone-service providers to partner with.In hotly competitive industries where new-product development is crucial and choices about which markets to focus upon are difficult an Unconstrained Manager can have a big impact .
Investors worry about Steve Jobs 's health because they believe Apple needs his flair for making inspired choices.Not every Unconstrained Manager is a Steve Jobs , of course .
Donald Hambrick and Sydney Finkelstein , who coined the Titular Figurehead/Unconstrained Manager dichotomy in a 1987 article suggest that the world would be better off if leadership effects were always negligible .
" If we had to choose as a society between doing away with Figureheads or Unconstrained Managers , " they wrote , " it is the Figureheads we would keep .
" " Good leaders can make a small positive difference ; bad leaders can make a huge negative difference , " Jeffrey Pfeffer told Fortune in 2006 .
Many Americans , surveying the aftermath of eight years with an Unconstrained Manager as their chief executive , might be tempted to agree .
Do CEOs Matter ?
[ theatlantic.com ] [ June 2009 ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From The Atlantic.
Ruthlessly compressed.It has become conventional to think that a corporation, for better or worse, takes on the coloration of its CEO--Jack Welch turns GE into a tribe of aggressive, rigorously unsentimental alpha dogs; Jeff Skilling populates Enron with nihilists expert in gaming the system.But how strong is this power--or any executive power?James March goes so far as to say that in any well-run company that's conscientious about grooming its managers, candidates for the top job are so similar in their education, skills, and psychology as to be virtually interchangeable.
All that matters is that someone be in charge.
"Management may be extremely difficult and important even though managers are indistinguishable.
It is hard to tell the difference between two different light bulbs also; but if you take all the light bulbs away, it is difficult to read in the dark.
"One problem with the idea of the transformative CEO, able to reshape corporate culture or inspire workers to new heights is that people simply don't feel allegiance to large entities like corporations, no matter who's at the helm.
Their loyalties are far more localized.
Like infantrymen, their sense of belonging extends to their own platoon but no farther.
And in these postmodern times, employees are scornful of grandiose rhetoric about higher purposes and the nobility of their cause.
From this perspective, the CEO's power to affect performance, while strong within the immediate team of top executives, rapidly diminishes as it extends beyond that team.The highly localized nature of loyalty means that the real power to influence corporate performance resides not with the CEO but with middle management.
In the The Truth About Middle Managers, Paul Osterman contends that middle managers are neither "victims," robbed of the ability to act independently by some faceless bureaucracy, nor "villains" like Dilbert's Bozo-haired boss, too clueless to do anything but gum up the works.
In Osterman's view, the middle manager is the secret hero in the large corporation's rise to social and economic dominance.
That rise "depended on middle managers, because you just couldn't achieve the scale that we have without people doing the kind of planning work that they do.
" As "craft workers," middle managers value their task, sense its importance to the larger cause, and feel great loyalty to the people they work with.
But their loyalty to the corporation is fraying, largely because they see top management hogging all the rewards and glory.
"There's more cynicism" in the middle-management ranks now, Osterman says.
"There's less willingness to go the extra mile.
"CEOs in some industries have a great deal of discretion.
They're known as "Unconstrained Managers.
" In a company such as Apple, the CEO is the one who decides which new cell phone to release to a waiting public, which chip company will supply the integrated circuits that make it work, and which phone-service providers to partner with.In hotly competitive industries where new-product development is crucial and choices about which markets to focus upon are difficult an Unconstrained Manager can have a big impact.
Investors worry about Steve Jobs's health because they believe Apple needs his flair for making inspired choices.Not every Unconstrained Manager is a Steve Jobs, of course.
Donald Hambrick and Sydney Finkelstein, who coined the Titular Figurehead/Unconstrained Manager dichotomy in a 1987 article suggest that the world would be better off if leadership effects were always negligible.
"If we had to choose as a society between doing away with Figureheads or Unconstrained Managers," they wrote, "it is the Figureheads we would keep.
""Good leaders can make a small positive difference; bad leaders can make a huge negative difference," Jeffrey Pfeffer told Fortune in 2006.
Many Americans, surveying the aftermath of eight years with an Unconstrained Manager as their chief executive, might be tempted to agree.
Do CEOs Matter?
[theatlantic.com] [June 2009]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446829</id>
	<title>Re:"Deliberate untruth"?</title>
	<author>dimeglio</author>
	<datestamp>1245758280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They don't lie, they just express their own, corporate, nonobjective, exaggerated and skewed point of view and expect us to believe it. Apple didn't invent it but for fear of being sued by shareholders, they have to perpetuate it. Sad. Ok, time for me to tune-in to the shopping channel and get some facts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't lie , they just express their own , corporate , nonobjective , exaggerated and skewed point of view and expect us to believe it .
Apple did n't invent it but for fear of being sued by shareholders , they have to perpetuate it .
Sad. Ok , time for me to tune-in to the shopping channel and get some facts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't lie, they just express their own, corporate, nonobjective, exaggerated and skewed point of view and expect us to believe it.
Apple didn't invent it but for fear of being sued by shareholders, they have to perpetuate it.
Sad. Ok, time for me to tune-in to the shopping channel and get some facts.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28450241</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245835620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One must be pretty stupid to not know there will be a better product 6 months away.</p><p>On the other hand: would you buy a iPhone if you knew for sure this would be the last model and Apple had stopped development?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One must be pretty stupid to not know there will be a better product 6 months away.On the other hand : would you buy a iPhone if you knew for sure this would be the last model and Apple had stopped development ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One must be pretty stupid to not know there will be a better product 6 months away.On the other hand: would you buy a iPhone if you knew for sure this would be the last model and Apple had stopped development?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446805</id>
	<title>Re:Apple is not a tech company</title>
	<author>arminw</author>
	<datestamp>1245758100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...with competing products has fewer features, and is more expensive...</p><p>Anybody who can do this deserves all the money they can get from all of the supposed suckers who buy Apple products. All the other companies who sell all these fantastic products, especially Windows computers are losing money or maybe barely making a profit. A company who can sell you the sizzle and keep the steak must be doing something right.  After all, most businesses I know are there to make a profit and Apple is pretty profitable these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...with competing products has fewer features , and is more expensive...Anybody who can do this deserves all the money they can get from all of the supposed suckers who buy Apple products .
All the other companies who sell all these fantastic products , especially Windows computers are losing money or maybe barely making a profit .
A company who can sell you the sizzle and keep the steak must be doing something right .
After all , most businesses I know are there to make a profit and Apple is pretty profitable these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...with competing products has fewer features, and is more expensive...Anybody who can do this deserves all the money they can get from all of the supposed suckers who buy Apple products.
All the other companies who sell all these fantastic products, especially Windows computers are losing money or maybe barely making a profit.
A company who can sell you the sizzle and keep the steak must be doing something right.
After all, most businesses I know are there to make a profit and Apple is pretty profitable these days.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447771</id>
	<title>Re:It's a funny kind of ship that leaks from the t</title>
	<author>Banzai042</author>
	<datestamp>1245764580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There was actually speculation on Buzz Out Loud that the leak about Jobs' transplant was a very strategic and deliberate leak.  What it boiled down to is the fact that the WSJ got a report from an unnamed source that Jobs had a transplant, and broke the story after the markets had closed on friday and iPhone 3GS sales had gone well on release day.  Thus Apple stock didn't take the large hit it would have taken had this story hit during the week, instead of giving everybody a full weekend to calm down.  According to a later episode of BOL the unnamed source was in fact confirmed to be Apple, meaning that it was very likely a strategic press release.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There was actually speculation on Buzz Out Loud that the leak about Jobs ' transplant was a very strategic and deliberate leak .
What it boiled down to is the fact that the WSJ got a report from an unnamed source that Jobs had a transplant , and broke the story after the markets had closed on friday and iPhone 3GS sales had gone well on release day .
Thus Apple stock did n't take the large hit it would have taken had this story hit during the week , instead of giving everybody a full weekend to calm down .
According to a later episode of BOL the unnamed source was in fact confirmed to be Apple , meaning that it was very likely a strategic press release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There was actually speculation on Buzz Out Loud that the leak about Jobs' transplant was a very strategic and deliberate leak.
What it boiled down to is the fact that the WSJ got a report from an unnamed source that Jobs had a transplant, and broke the story after the markets had closed on friday and iPhone 3GS sales had gone well on release day.
Thus Apple stock didn't take the large hit it would have taken had this story hit during the week, instead of giving everybody a full weekend to calm down.
According to a later episode of BOL the unnamed source was in fact confirmed to be Apple, meaning that it was very likely a strategic press release.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28450255</id>
	<title>Re:Not everything is money</title>
	<author>ocularDeathRay</author>
	<datestamp>1245835860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Steve Jobs very well may die.</p></div><p>
I think it is safe to assume he will.... barring some really neat new technological breakthroughs.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Steve Jobs very well may die .
I think it is safe to assume he will.... barring some really neat new technological breakthroughs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve Jobs very well may die.
I think it is safe to assume he will.... barring some really neat new technological breakthroughs.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447517</id>
	<title>Steve's Health</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245762480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, Steve's health is his own personal business.  But like Martha Stewart and Oprah, they ARE the companies that they run.  Stock holders better be informed that there is something wrong with Steve, Martha, and Oprah, because without out them, the companies might not stay afloat.  Do people need to go running around flashing Steve's health records in front of every reporter who asks?  NO!  But lying doesn't help.  Either say no comment or come out and be real with people.  Let them know that Steve is not well, is taking time away from the company, and that you don't know when he'll be back.  In most companies, everyone is replaceable, certain companies don't have this luxury, Apple is one of them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Steve 's health is his own personal business .
But like Martha Stewart and Oprah , they ARE the companies that they run .
Stock holders better be informed that there is something wrong with Steve , Martha , and Oprah , because without out them , the companies might not stay afloat .
Do people need to go running around flashing Steve 's health records in front of every reporter who asks ?
NO ! But lying does n't help .
Either say no comment or come out and be real with people .
Let them know that Steve is not well , is taking time away from the company , and that you do n't know when he 'll be back .
In most companies , everyone is replaceable , certain companies do n't have this luxury , Apple is one of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Steve's health is his own personal business.
But like Martha Stewart and Oprah, they ARE the companies that they run.
Stock holders better be informed that there is something wrong with Steve, Martha, and Oprah, because without out them, the companies might not stay afloat.
Do people need to go running around flashing Steve's health records in front of every reporter who asks?
NO!  But lying doesn't help.
Either say no comment or come out and be real with people.
Let them know that Steve is not well, is taking time away from the company, and that you don't know when he'll be back.
In most companies, everyone is replaceable, certain companies don't have this luxury, Apple is one of them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447453</id>
	<title>Apple Lied?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245762060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any Mac bought in 1997 will run the new OS - the 20th Annv. Mac does not and I have a 1997 sales receipt.</p><p>Apple ][ forever</p><p>The Newton is an important part of our product line.  - Said by Apple salesmen in March after the Feb Steving of the Newton</p><p>Note how all of these were while Steve Jobs was in charge.</p><p>Other Jobs' truths:<br>Lisa is not my daughter<br>Apple owns the name Macintosh<br>Apple records - we won't get into music<br>Woz, dude.  This is all we were paid for the gig<br>The Apple<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/// is perfection in design due to the lack of a noisy fan</p><p>I'll be interested to see if Apple is more honest post Jobs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any Mac bought in 1997 will run the new OS - the 20th Annv .
Mac does not and I have a 1997 sales receipt.Apple ] [ foreverThe Newton is an important part of our product line .
- Said by Apple salesmen in March after the Feb Steving of the NewtonNote how all of these were while Steve Jobs was in charge.Other Jobs ' truths : Lisa is not my daughterApple owns the name MacintoshApple records - we wo n't get into musicWoz , dude .
This is all we were paid for the gigThe Apple /// is perfection in design due to the lack of a noisy fanI 'll be interested to see if Apple is more honest post Jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any Mac bought in 1997 will run the new OS - the 20th Annv.
Mac does not and I have a 1997 sales receipt.Apple ][ foreverThe Newton is an important part of our product line.
- Said by Apple salesmen in March after the Feb Steving of the NewtonNote how all of these were while Steve Jobs was in charge.Other Jobs' truths:Lisa is not my daughterApple owns the name MacintoshApple records - we won't get into musicWoz, dude.
This is all we were paid for the gigThe Apple /// is perfection in design due to the lack of a noisy fanI'll be interested to see if Apple is more honest post Jobs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446285</id>
	<title>Re:"Deliberate untruth"?</title>
	<author>Stray7Xi</author>
	<datestamp>1245755580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In plain English, that's called a lie.</p></div><p>Careful comrade, plusungoodwise nearful crimespeak, crimestop rapidwise.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In plain English , that 's called a lie.Careful comrade , plusungoodwise nearful crimespeak , crimestop rapidwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In plain English, that's called a lie.Careful comrade, plusungoodwise nearful crimespeak, crimestop rapidwise.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445989</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446075</id>
	<title>Who Cares?</title>
	<author>spiffydudex</author>
	<datestamp>1245754680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If all the underlying story is about Steve Jobs' health. I don't see any reason why the world should be prying into his medical records. Apple makes good products and creates that anticipation that can electrify a buying frenzy. I say go Apple.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If all the underlying story is about Steve Jobs ' health .
I do n't see any reason why the world should be prying into his medical records .
Apple makes good products and creates that anticipation that can electrify a buying frenzy .
I say go Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If all the underlying story is about Steve Jobs' health.
I don't see any reason why the world should be prying into his medical records.
Apple makes good products and creates that anticipation that can electrify a buying frenzy.
I say go Apple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447241</id>
	<title>Re:Comments on secrecy...</title>
	<author>bretticus</author>
	<datestamp>1245760680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Simple, use BugMeNot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple , use BugMeNot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple, use BugMeNot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445913</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447097</id>
	<title>MST3K episode 811</title>
	<author>XanC</author>
	<datestamp>1245759660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Parts: the Clonus Horror" with Peter Graves.  Classic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Parts : the Clonus Horror " with Peter Graves .
Classic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Parts: the Clonus Horror" with Peter Graves.
Classic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445861</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28449619</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245784560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really? Where can I buy a faster GFX card than one that was priced $500 on Christmas day 2008 for much cheaper? Nowhere?</p><p>Also, 1999 just called, they want their transient fast moving GFX card market back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
Where can I buy a faster GFX card than one that was priced $ 500 on Christmas day 2008 for much cheaper ?
Nowhere ? Also , 1999 just called , they want their transient fast moving GFX card market back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
Where can I buy a faster GFX card than one that was priced $500 on Christmas day 2008 for much cheaper?
Nowhere?Also, 1999 just called, they want their transient fast moving GFX card market back.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446725</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445965</id>
	<title>Misleading Shareholders?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245754200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Apple were lying about his health, could this be a case of misleading the shareholders and put Apple at risk legally?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Apple were lying about his health , could this be a case of misleading the shareholders and put Apple at risk legally ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Apple were lying about his health, could this be a case of misleading the shareholders and put Apple at risk legally?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446843</id>
	<title>Re:Comments on secrecy...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245758400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NYT sends its apologies for hassling you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NYT sends its apologies for hassling you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NYT sends its apologies for hassling you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445913</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28448231</id>
	<title>Re:Apple is not a tech company</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1245769020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Apple is very much a technology company</p></div></blockquote><p>

Apple is first and foremost a marketing company, they spend more time and energy on creating images around their products then actually creating them.</p><blockquote><div><p>The HP that lacks "selling sex appeal, social status, and "having a good time"'</p></div></blockquote><p>

see.<br> <br>

HP's are complete crap, try Dell's or Lenovo's Business range (Latitude and Thinkpad respectively). They cost a little bit more then the consumer lines but come with better HW support. I just bought a 14" Lenovo R400 for A$1300, a 13" macbook is A$1600 both of these prices in are EOFY sales, The Lenovo has a newer C2D proc, same RAM (2 GB, 800Mhz) newer Intel IGM (X4500 in Lenovo, X3100 in Macbook), higher res screen (1200x800 for macbook, 1400x900 for Lenovo), 2yr RTB warranty (Apple is 1 yr RTB). The Lenovo came with Vista home basic (this is about the only major flaw I could find with the R400) which I quickly removed all trace of and instilled Ubuntu and it runs like a train.<br> <br>

When buying a laptop, always buy from the business range as there you get what you pay for and to the best of my knowledge, Apple has no business range.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is very much a technology company Apple is first and foremost a marketing company , they spend more time and energy on creating images around their products then actually creating them.The HP that lacks " selling sex appeal , social status , and " having a good time " ' see .
HP 's are complete crap , try Dell 's or Lenovo 's Business range ( Latitude and Thinkpad respectively ) .
They cost a little bit more then the consumer lines but come with better HW support .
I just bought a 14 " Lenovo R400 for A $ 1300 , a 13 " macbook is A $ 1600 both of these prices in are EOFY sales , The Lenovo has a newer C2D proc , same RAM ( 2 GB , 800Mhz ) newer Intel IGM ( X4500 in Lenovo , X3100 in Macbook ) , higher res screen ( 1200x800 for macbook , 1400x900 for Lenovo ) , 2yr RTB warranty ( Apple is 1 yr RTB ) .
The Lenovo came with Vista home basic ( this is about the only major flaw I could find with the R400 ) which I quickly removed all trace of and instilled Ubuntu and it runs like a train .
When buying a laptop , always buy from the business range as there you get what you pay for and to the best of my knowledge , Apple has no business range .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is very much a technology company

Apple is first and foremost a marketing company, they spend more time and energy on creating images around their products then actually creating them.The HP that lacks "selling sex appeal, social status, and "having a good time"'

see.
HP's are complete crap, try Dell's or Lenovo's Business range (Latitude and Thinkpad respectively).
They cost a little bit more then the consumer lines but come with better HW support.
I just bought a 14" Lenovo R400 for A$1300, a 13" macbook is A$1600 both of these prices in are EOFY sales, The Lenovo has a newer C2D proc, same RAM (2 GB, 800Mhz) newer Intel IGM (X4500 in Lenovo, X3100 in Macbook), higher res screen (1200x800 for macbook, 1400x900 for Lenovo), 2yr RTB warranty (Apple is 1 yr RTB).
The Lenovo came with Vista home basic (this is about the only major flaw I could find with the R400) which I quickly removed all trace of and instilled Ubuntu and it runs like a train.
When buying a laptop, always buy from the business range as there you get what you pay for and to the best of my knowledge, Apple has no business range.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446945</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446309</id>
	<title>Deliberate Untruth?</title>
	<author>al0ha</author>
	<datestamp>1245755700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;&gt; Some say that recent reports that Steve Jobs may have had a liver transplant, still not confirmed by the company, now makes one of Apple's assertions from January -- that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance -- seem like a deliberate untruth."
<br>
<br>
Hmmm, I would not classify that as a deliberate untruth since having a malfunctioning liver will indeed cause a hormonal imbalance.  I would classify it as a good 'ol half-truth instead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; Some say that recent reports that Steve Jobs may have had a liver transplant , still not confirmed by the company , now makes one of Apple 's assertions from January -- that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance -- seem like a deliberate untruth .
" Hmmm , I would not classify that as a deliberate untruth since having a malfunctioning liver will indeed cause a hormonal imbalance .
I would classify it as a good 'ol half-truth instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; Some say that recent reports that Steve Jobs may have had a liver transplant, still not confirmed by the company, now makes one of Apple's assertions from January -- that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance -- seem like a deliberate untruth.
"


Hmmm, I would not classify that as a deliberate untruth since having a malfunctioning liver will indeed cause a hormonal imbalance.
I would classify it as a good 'ol half-truth instead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445881</id>
	<title>Re:Parts: The Clonus Horror</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245753840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, that's a strategy that has worked out pretty well for Cher, hasn't it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that 's a strategy that has worked out pretty well for Cher , has n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that's a strategy that has worked out pretty well for Cher, hasn't it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445861</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446431</id>
	<title>Re:Personal Life</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245756240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No its not.  But since he did decide to share it, &amp; if it turns out that he purposely mislead people as to the true cause (several times potentially), an argument can be made he mislead investors so as to preserve the financial status of the company.  Whether or not that's the case, or can be proven is a different matter.  And whether or not they are alive now doesn't matter.  Usually he would have been involved with products perhaps 2 years down the line (i.e. already working on getting those built).  Roadmaps would probably be sketched out about 3-5 years - maybe even with rough ideas going out 10 years.  It's that time frame (3-10 years) where you should probably see the loss if there is one.  Of course a trully incompetent CEO (or negative shift in culture) could easily bring that up by screwing up products in the pipeline just as a trully competent CEO could keep the company succeeding.</p><p>Besides, Apple is pretty huge now &amp; successfully making lots of money of most of their product line.  They can keep this going for quite a while even with really good competition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No its not .
But since he did decide to share it , &amp; if it turns out that he purposely mislead people as to the true cause ( several times potentially ) , an argument can be made he mislead investors so as to preserve the financial status of the company .
Whether or not that 's the case , or can be proven is a different matter .
And whether or not they are alive now does n't matter .
Usually he would have been involved with products perhaps 2 years down the line ( i.e .
already working on getting those built ) .
Roadmaps would probably be sketched out about 3-5 years - maybe even with rough ideas going out 10 years .
It 's that time frame ( 3-10 years ) where you should probably see the loss if there is one .
Of course a trully incompetent CEO ( or negative shift in culture ) could easily bring that up by screwing up products in the pipeline just as a trully competent CEO could keep the company succeeding.Besides , Apple is pretty huge now &amp; successfully making lots of money of most of their product line .
They can keep this going for quite a while even with really good competition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No its not.
But since he did decide to share it, &amp; if it turns out that he purposely mislead people as to the true cause (several times potentially), an argument can be made he mislead investors so as to preserve the financial status of the company.
Whether or not that's the case, or can be proven is a different matter.
And whether or not they are alive now doesn't matter.
Usually he would have been involved with products perhaps 2 years down the line (i.e.
already working on getting those built).
Roadmaps would probably be sketched out about 3-5 years - maybe even with rough ideas going out 10 years.
It's that time frame (3-10 years) where you should probably see the loss if there is one.
Of course a trully incompetent CEO (or negative shift in culture) could easily bring that up by screwing up products in the pipeline just as a trully competent CEO could keep the company succeeding.Besides, Apple is pretty huge now &amp; successfully making lots of money of most of their product line.
They can keep this going for quite a while even with really good competition.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446057</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28451545</id>
	<title>Re:The SEC may be interested...</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1245853440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What exactly did the company lie about?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly did the company lie about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly did the company lie about?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446031</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446997</id>
	<title>Re:Steve Jobs is dead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245759060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh god, now apple records is gonna sue them over a business model patent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh god , now apple records is gon na sue them over a business model patent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh god, now apple records is gonna sue them over a business model patent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447695</id>
	<title>No, not quite.</title>
	<author>Estanislao Martínez</author>
	<datestamp>1245763920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Deliberate untruths are lies, but not all lies are deliberate untruths.  The most effective lies tend to be composed of nothing but true statements; the lie in that case consists of the deliberate omission of crucial information that the liar knows, in the expectation that the hearer will reach a desired false conclusion.  The thing that makes those lies the "best" is that they're verifyable; if your victim takes care to check whether what you actually said is true, they will find that indeed it is, and that will reinforce the conclusion you want them to reach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Deliberate untruths are lies , but not all lies are deliberate untruths .
The most effective lies tend to be composed of nothing but true statements ; the lie in that case consists of the deliberate omission of crucial information that the liar knows , in the expectation that the hearer will reach a desired false conclusion .
The thing that makes those lies the " best " is that they 're verifyable ; if your victim takes care to check whether what you actually said is true , they will find that indeed it is , and that will reinforce the conclusion you want them to reach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Deliberate untruths are lies, but not all lies are deliberate untruths.
The most effective lies tend to be composed of nothing but true statements; the lie in that case consists of the deliberate omission of crucial information that the liar knows, in the expectation that the hearer will reach a desired false conclusion.
The thing that makes those lies the "best" is that they're verifyable; if your victim takes care to check whether what you actually said is true, they will find that indeed it is, and that will reinforce the conclusion you want them to reach.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446571</id>
	<title>Re:Personal Life</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245756960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually Steve Jobs is seen as a major asset. If Apple was aware of his condition when they reported his "hormonal imbalance", they are guilt of SEC violations. It was obviously reported to protect stock values. You aren't allowed to manipulate stock values with misinformation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually Steve Jobs is seen as a major asset .
If Apple was aware of his condition when they reported his " hormonal imbalance " , they are guilt of SEC violations .
It was obviously reported to protect stock values .
You are n't allowed to manipulate stock values with misinformation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually Steve Jobs is seen as a major asset.
If Apple was aware of his condition when they reported his "hormonal imbalance", they are guilt of SEC violations.
It was obviously reported to protect stock values.
You aren't allowed to manipulate stock values with misinformation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446057</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446361</id>
	<title>Re:"Deliberate untruth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245755940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Deliberate Untruth" is a lot easier to stomach for the followers of the almighty Cult of Apple. There's lies, damn lies, and deliberate untruths.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Deliberate Untruth " is a lot easier to stomach for the followers of the almighty Cult of Apple .
There 's lies , damn lies , and deliberate untruths .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Deliberate Untruth" is a lot easier to stomach for the followers of the almighty Cult of Apple.
There's lies, damn lies, and deliberate untruths.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445989</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447115</id>
	<title>Re:It's a funny kind of ship that leaks from the t</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245759720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>See the difference?<br></i><br>Despite your attempt at sarcasm, I DO see the difference.  Generally people not in upper management making decisions that affect the whole company is frowned upon.  Do you also get equally upset when upper management decides to develop some new product, and they don't let you make that decision?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See the difference ? Despite your attempt at sarcasm , I DO see the difference .
Generally people not in upper management making decisions that affect the whole company is frowned upon .
Do you also get equally upset when upper management decides to develop some new product , and they do n't let you make that decision ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See the difference?Despite your attempt at sarcasm, I DO see the difference.
Generally people not in upper management making decisions that affect the whole company is frowned upon.
Do you also get equally upset when upper management decides to develop some new product, and they don't let you make that decision?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446729</id>
	<title>Re:It's a funny kind of ship that leaks from the t</title>
	<author>Rude Turnip</author>
	<datestamp>1245757620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, their leaks were planned and approved, which makes them strategic.  You did not have that right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , their leaks were planned and approved , which makes them strategic .
You did not have that right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, their leaks were planned and approved, which makes them strategic.
You did not have that right.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446021</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446615</id>
	<title>secrecy can go too far</title>
	<author>hedrick</author>
	<datestamp>1245757140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't have any problem with their hiding specific product details. But some of it is just insulting. All mention of ZFS has disappeared. Are they not ready? Have the reconsidered their commitment to it? Why should we be put in the position of Kremlin-watchers in the days of the Soviet Union, having to read meaning into the most minor of wording?

</p><p>Enterprise customers expect a bit more communication, and as a consumer customer I'd appreciate it as well.

</p><p>Another big problem is serious product defects. When the newsgroups are full of people who are having problems, would it hurt their image to say "we acknowledge that this is a problem, and we're doing something about it. Stay tuned." The current approach encourages lawsuits by angry customers who think they're being stonewalled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't have any problem with their hiding specific product details .
But some of it is just insulting .
All mention of ZFS has disappeared .
Are they not ready ?
Have the reconsidered their commitment to it ?
Why should we be put in the position of Kremlin-watchers in the days of the Soviet Union , having to read meaning into the most minor of wording ?
Enterprise customers expect a bit more communication , and as a consumer customer I 'd appreciate it as well .
Another big problem is serious product defects .
When the newsgroups are full of people who are having problems , would it hurt their image to say " we acknowledge that this is a problem , and we 're doing something about it .
Stay tuned .
" The current approach encourages lawsuits by angry customers who think they 're being stonewalled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't have any problem with their hiding specific product details.
But some of it is just insulting.
All mention of ZFS has disappeared.
Are they not ready?
Have the reconsidered their commitment to it?
Why should we be put in the position of Kremlin-watchers in the days of the Soviet Union, having to read meaning into the most minor of wording?
Enterprise customers expect a bit more communication, and as a consumer customer I'd appreciate it as well.
Another big problem is serious product defects.
When the newsgroups are full of people who are having problems, would it hurt their image to say "we acknowledge that this is a problem, and we're doing something about it.
Stay tuned.
" The current approach encourages lawsuits by angry customers who think they're being stonewalled.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446697</id>
	<title>Re:Personal Life</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1245757500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Being a CEO of a publicly traded company DOES mean you need to reveal to shareholders any information you have that could impact the company's value (stock price).</p><p>Apple, including Jobs himself, are VERY well aware of the impact Steve Jobs' health has upon the stock price.  They've seen it happen before when he was sick, and when he was rumored to have died.</p><p>Then again, Steve Jobs shouldn't be back-dating his stock options either.</p><p>Apple shouldn't be hiding continued costs for product development and support by charging a nominal fee for software updates.  (No, it has nothing to do with SARBOX, it has to do with Apple not wanting to reveal how long they plan to support product X, so they keep the support and development cost projections off the balance sheet by lying and claiming the sales of the patches cover the cost!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Being a CEO of a publicly traded company DOES mean you need to reveal to shareholders any information you have that could impact the company 's value ( stock price ) .Apple , including Jobs himself , are VERY well aware of the impact Steve Jobs ' health has upon the stock price .
They 've seen it happen before when he was sick , and when he was rumored to have died.Then again , Steve Jobs should n't be back-dating his stock options either.Apple should n't be hiding continued costs for product development and support by charging a nominal fee for software updates .
( No , it has nothing to do with SARBOX , it has to do with Apple not wanting to reveal how long they plan to support product X , so they keep the support and development cost projections off the balance sheet by lying and claiming the sales of the patches cover the cost !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being a CEO of a publicly traded company DOES mean you need to reveal to shareholders any information you have that could impact the company's value (stock price).Apple, including Jobs himself, are VERY well aware of the impact Steve Jobs' health has upon the stock price.
They've seen it happen before when he was sick, and when he was rumored to have died.Then again, Steve Jobs shouldn't be back-dating his stock options either.Apple shouldn't be hiding continued costs for product development and support by charging a nominal fee for software updates.
(No, it has nothing to do with SARBOX, it has to do with Apple not wanting to reveal how long they plan to support product X, so they keep the support and development cost projections off the balance sheet by lying and claiming the sales of the patches cover the cost!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447483</id>
	<title>Re:It's a funny kind of ship that leaks from the t</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245762240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I was with Apple through the late 90's.  Yes, that was an era of leaks -- but more often than not, they came from up top, not from the folks down in the trenches.</p><p>What was the difference?  If I or a colleague said anything, it was a leak, and we'd be fried.  But if someone on top said something, well, that was <i>strategic.</i></p><p>See the difference?</p></div><p>maybe the guy on top had permission to speak and it was a thought through decision! did you sign NDAs? Were you given permission to speak about an unreleased product?</p><p>Just a thought.</p><p>P.S. I don't have a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. account that's why i used AC.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was with Apple through the late 90 's .
Yes , that was an era of leaks -- but more often than not , they came from up top , not from the folks down in the trenches.What was the difference ?
If I or a colleague said anything , it was a leak , and we 'd be fried .
But if someone on top said something , well , that was strategic.See the difference ? maybe the guy on top had permission to speak and it was a thought through decision !
did you sign NDAs ?
Were you given permission to speak about an unreleased product ? Just a thought.P.S .
I do n't have a / .
account that 's why i used AC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was with Apple through the late 90's.
Yes, that was an era of leaks -- but more often than not, they came from up top, not from the folks down in the trenches.What was the difference?
If I or a colleague said anything, it was a leak, and we'd be fried.
But if someone on top said something, well, that was strategic.See the difference?maybe the guy on top had permission to speak and it was a thought through decision!
did you sign NDAs?
Were you given permission to speak about an unreleased product?Just a thought.P.S.
I don't have a /.
account that's why i used AC.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447451</id>
	<title>the last apple product I had was purchased</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245762000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>in the 1970s.  the apple II</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in the 1970s .
the apple II</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in the 1970s.
the apple II</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447263</id>
	<title>Re:Anything is better than Microsoft FUD and whini</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245760740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wah-wait wait what? No, seriously. WHAT?<br>I'm a Mac.<br>I'm a PC.<br>I'm totally not criticizing the competition.<br>Again and again and again.</p><p>I'm not a fan of Monopolysoft, and, granted, this is after several Anti-trust suits, but One Microsoft Way (cue ominous music) has almost ALMOST become a helpful though reluctant neighbor as opposed to the We're hip; We're cool; We're an exclusive clique; We repeatedly make fun of anyone who is not with us (just like high school); We cost at least 50\% more than we should (I reference the Mac Pro and I have done the math); Heaven help you should you ever need to buy one of our replacement parts (you techs know what I'm talking about); and We'd sooner die than tell you the very least of our secrets! lunatics at #1 Infinite Loop.</p><p>Dammit, I wish I hadn't sold my penguin box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wah-wait wait what ?
No , seriously .
WHAT ? I 'm a Mac.I 'm a PC.I 'm totally not criticizing the competition.Again and again and again.I 'm not a fan of Monopolysoft , and , granted , this is after several Anti-trust suits , but One Microsoft Way ( cue ominous music ) has almost ALMOST become a helpful though reluctant neighbor as opposed to the We 're hip ; We 're cool ; We 're an exclusive clique ; We repeatedly make fun of anyone who is not with us ( just like high school ) ; We cost at least 50 \ % more than we should ( I reference the Mac Pro and I have done the math ) ; Heaven help you should you ever need to buy one of our replacement parts ( you techs know what I 'm talking about ) ; and We 'd sooner die than tell you the very least of our secrets !
lunatics at # 1 Infinite Loop.Dammit , I wish I had n't sold my penguin box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wah-wait wait what?
No, seriously.
WHAT?I'm a Mac.I'm a PC.I'm totally not criticizing the competition.Again and again and again.I'm not a fan of Monopolysoft, and, granted, this is after several Anti-trust suits, but One Microsoft Way (cue ominous music) has almost ALMOST become a helpful though reluctant neighbor as opposed to the We're hip; We're cool; We're an exclusive clique; We repeatedly make fun of anyone who is not with us (just like high school); We cost at least 50\% more than we should (I reference the Mac Pro and I have done the math); Heaven help you should you ever need to buy one of our replacement parts (you techs know what I'm talking about); and We'd sooner die than tell you the very least of our secrets!
lunatics at #1 Infinite Loop.Dammit, I wish I hadn't sold my penguin box.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447291</id>
	<title>Liver problems and IGF-1...</title>
	<author>divisionbyzero</author>
	<datestamp>1245760980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Some say that recent reports that Steve Jobs may have had a liver transplant, still not confirmed by the company, now makes one of Apple's assertions from January &#226;" that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance &#226;" seem like a deliberate untruth."</p><p>Really?  You know IGF-1 is produced in the liver right?  Lack of IGF-1 can affect weight.  It's directly related to growth hormone.  So, at worst, we're talking misdirection here, not deliberate untruth.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Some say that recent reports that Steve Jobs may have had a liver transplant , still not confirmed by the company , now makes one of Apple 's assertions from January   " that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance   " seem like a deliberate untruth. " Really ?
You know IGF-1 is produced in the liver right ?
Lack of IGF-1 can affect weight .
It 's directly related to growth hormone .
So , at worst , we 're talking misdirection here , not deliberate untruth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Some say that recent reports that Steve Jobs may have had a liver transplant, still not confirmed by the company, now makes one of Apple's assertions from January â" that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance â" seem like a deliberate untruth."Really?
You know IGF-1 is produced in the liver right?
Lack of IGF-1 can affect weight.
It's directly related to growth hormone.
So, at worst, we're talking misdirection here, not deliberate untruth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446897</id>
	<title>isn't the SEC going to come down hard on apple?</title>
	<author>DragonTHC</author>
	<datestamp>1245758640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't this like withholding info from shareholders?</p><p>I would think that the health of Steve Jobs is quite important to the stock price of apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't this like withholding info from shareholders ? I would think that the health of Steve Jobs is quite important to the stock price of apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't this like withholding info from shareholders?I would think that the health of Steve Jobs is quite important to the stock price of apple.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447319</id>
	<title>"1984"</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1245761100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they don't appear to criticize the competition (or if they do it doesn't make the news). They get on with what they do best.</i> </p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYecfV3ubP8" title="youtube.com">1984 Apple's Macintosh Commercial</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they do n't appear to criticize the competition ( or if they do it does n't make the news ) .
They get on with what they do best .
1984 Apple 's Macintosh Commercial [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they don't appear to criticize the competition (or if they do it doesn't make the news).
They get on with what they do best.
1984 Apple's Macintosh Commercial [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28466215</id>
	<title>Re:Parts: The Clonus Horror</title>
	<author>zizinya</author>
	<datestamp>1245943920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you were a large Apple shareholder I think you would see things differently. It's not a black and white issue- it's definitely grey. It's a difficult balancing act, however, when you take on the celebrity role of CEO of a company like Apple, and you are the embodiment of all the success the company has achieved, the job comes with responsibilities- including a certain degree of truthfulness with your investors.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you were a large Apple shareholder I think you would see things differently .
It 's not a black and white issue- it 's definitely grey .
It 's a difficult balancing act , however , when you take on the celebrity role of CEO of a company like Apple , and you are the embodiment of all the success the company has achieved , the job comes with responsibilities- including a certain degree of truthfulness with your investors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you were a large Apple shareholder I think you would see things differently.
It's not a black and white issue- it's definitely grey.
It's a difficult balancing act, however, when you take on the celebrity role of CEO of a company like Apple, and you are the embodiment of all the success the company has achieved, the job comes with responsibilities- including a certain degree of truthfulness with your investors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28450359</id>
	<title>Genius move</title>
	<author>az1324</author>
	<datestamp>1245837780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wait... all of this is going to seem like a genius move when the iLiver comes out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wait... all of this is going to seem like a genius move when the iLiver comes out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wait... all of this is going to seem like a genius move when the iLiver comes out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28456913</id>
	<title>Re:Better title would be...</title>
	<author>sribe</author>
	<datestamp>1245874620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The point is that Apple decided to lie about Steve Jobs health to avoid a stock price crash.</p></div><p>No, jackass, if you'd ever had a family member with a rare illness you'd know that it can take months of tests, and multiple tentative but ultimately incorrect diagnoses before finding out what's really wrong. To date there is NO evidence whatsoever that when they announced it was a simple hormonal imbalance that they knew anything else, that it wasn't exactly what the doctors were saying. The emotional roller coaster of this kind of thing is severely awful enough in private, without exposing every symptom, hypothesis and test to public scrutiny.</p><p>And yes, the same thing applies to that "common bug" line. No one has ever presented any evidence that Apple knew otherwise. The article you link is just conjecture, nothing more.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The point is that Apple decided to lie about Steve Jobs health to avoid a stock price crash.No , jackass , if you 'd ever had a family member with a rare illness you 'd know that it can take months of tests , and multiple tentative but ultimately incorrect diagnoses before finding out what 's really wrong .
To date there is NO evidence whatsoever that when they announced it was a simple hormonal imbalance that they knew anything else , that it was n't exactly what the doctors were saying .
The emotional roller coaster of this kind of thing is severely awful enough in private , without exposing every symptom , hypothesis and test to public scrutiny.And yes , the same thing applies to that " common bug " line .
No one has ever presented any evidence that Apple knew otherwise .
The article you link is just conjecture , nothing more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point is that Apple decided to lie about Steve Jobs health to avoid a stock price crash.No, jackass, if you'd ever had a family member with a rare illness you'd know that it can take months of tests, and multiple tentative but ultimately incorrect diagnoses before finding out what's really wrong.
To date there is NO evidence whatsoever that when they announced it was a simple hormonal imbalance that they knew anything else, that it wasn't exactly what the doctors were saying.
The emotional roller coaster of this kind of thing is severely awful enough in private, without exposing every symptom, hypothesis and test to public scrutiny.And yes, the same thing applies to that "common bug" line.
No one has ever presented any evidence that Apple knew otherwise.
The article you link is just conjecture, nothing more.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447431</id>
	<title>Re:Personal Life</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1245761880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> It might not fold, but dramatic shrinkage (massive layoffs, etc.) is very likely.</p></div><p>What are you talking about?  What about Steve Jobs dying would cause massive layoffs and dramatic shrinkage?  Because he is the one designing ipods?  Because no one else in the company can continue the music and computer business?  It's not like Steve makes all this stuff, he approves it, and decides the general direction.  And now the direction is pretty clear in the Mac, Phone, and music industries that Apple should have enough to go on for a while, even without any new revolutionary devices.  Please explain how exactly Steve Jobs death would ruin Apple, why they can't just keep going on the momentum they have.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It might not fold , but dramatic shrinkage ( massive layoffs , etc .
) is very likely.What are you talking about ?
What about Steve Jobs dying would cause massive layoffs and dramatic shrinkage ?
Because he is the one designing ipods ?
Because no one else in the company can continue the music and computer business ?
It 's not like Steve makes all this stuff , he approves it , and decides the general direction .
And now the direction is pretty clear in the Mac , Phone , and music industries that Apple should have enough to go on for a while , even without any new revolutionary devices .
Please explain how exactly Steve Jobs death would ruin Apple , why they ca n't just keep going on the momentum they have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> It might not fold, but dramatic shrinkage (massive layoffs, etc.
) is very likely.What are you talking about?
What about Steve Jobs dying would cause massive layoffs and dramatic shrinkage?
Because he is the one designing ipods?
Because no one else in the company can continue the music and computer business?
It's not like Steve makes all this stuff, he approves it, and decides the general direction.
And now the direction is pretty clear in the Mac, Phone, and music industries that Apple should have enough to go on for a while, even without any new revolutionary devices.
Please explain how exactly Steve Jobs death would ruin Apple, why they can't just keep going on the momentum they have.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447861</id>
	<title>Re:Parts: The Clonus Horror</title>
	<author>Prien715</author>
	<datestamp>1245765240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He has the right for privacy, but investors have the right to speculate -- that's what investors do.</p><p>Steve Jobs being at Apple must have some measurable financing impact on the company or else he wouldn't get paid his bonuses.</p><p>If Steve wants his privacy, that comes with a share price that's volatile on the basis of speculation.  I don't think that's too high a price to pay personally, but he seems very irritable about that reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He has the right for privacy , but investors have the right to speculate -- that 's what investors do.Steve Jobs being at Apple must have some measurable financing impact on the company or else he would n't get paid his bonuses.If Steve wants his privacy , that comes with a share price that 's volatile on the basis of speculation .
I do n't think that 's too high a price to pay personally , but he seems very irritable about that reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He has the right for privacy, but investors have the right to speculate -- that's what investors do.Steve Jobs being at Apple must have some measurable financing impact on the company or else he wouldn't get paid his bonuses.If Steve wants his privacy, that comes with a share price that's volatile on the basis of speculation.
I don't think that's too high a price to pay personally, but he seems very irritable about that reality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446507</id>
	<title>Sometimes their security sucks.</title>
	<author>Ungrounded Lightning</author>
	<datestamp>1245756600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recall, back in the mid-eighties, visiting an Apple development site (on business I won't go into here).  I noticed that they had a bunch of trays lying around with encouragement for the people to deposit used papers in them for recycling.  Lots of rah-rah-eco-responsibility slogans on them.  My impression was that these were pervasive throughout the company.</p><p>They were full of listings of the software under development.</p><p>They were provided by an external service.</p><p>OCR systems for stock printer fonts were just getting really reliable.</p><p>Soon after that visit the source code for Finder was leaked broadly.  It was apparently a development version rather than any of the released versions.</p><p>I have often wondered if these facts are related.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recall , back in the mid-eighties , visiting an Apple development site ( on business I wo n't go into here ) .
I noticed that they had a bunch of trays lying around with encouragement for the people to deposit used papers in them for recycling .
Lots of rah-rah-eco-responsibility slogans on them .
My impression was that these were pervasive throughout the company.They were full of listings of the software under development.They were provided by an external service.OCR systems for stock printer fonts were just getting really reliable.Soon after that visit the source code for Finder was leaked broadly .
It was apparently a development version rather than any of the released versions.I have often wondered if these facts are related .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recall, back in the mid-eighties, visiting an Apple development site (on business I won't go into here).
I noticed that they had a bunch of trays lying around with encouragement for the people to deposit used papers in them for recycling.
Lots of rah-rah-eco-responsibility slogans on them.
My impression was that these were pervasive throughout the company.They were full of listings of the software under development.They were provided by an external service.OCR systems for stock printer fonts were just getting really reliable.Soon after that visit the source code for Finder was leaked broadly.
It was apparently a development version rather than any of the released versions.I have often wondered if these facts are related.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446307</id>
	<title>I've heard this before</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245755700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article about Apple's secrecy sounds amazingly like North Korea. I wonder how ronery Steve Jobs is?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article about Apple 's secrecy sounds amazingly like North Korea .
I wonder how ronery Steve Jobs is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article about Apple's secrecy sounds amazingly like North Korea.
I wonder how ronery Steve Jobs is?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446643</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1245757260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>One of the things Microsoft learned well by observing others was the Osborne Effect. And its true: Would you buy a "new" Windows OS if you were told a better one was  on it's way, and all the cool features it would have eventually?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Not fixing, I just wanted to see how it looked.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the things Microsoft learned well by observing others was the Osborne Effect .
And its true : Would you buy a " new " Windows OS if you were told a better one was on it 's way , and all the cool features it would have eventually ?
Not fixing , I just wanted to see how it looked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the things Microsoft learned well by observing others was the Osborne Effect.
And its true: Would you buy a "new" Windows OS if you were told a better one was  on it's way, and all the cool features it would have eventually?
Not fixing, I just wanted to see how it looked.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446849</id>
	<title>Re:Anything is better than Microsoft FUD and whini</title>
	<author>fiannaFailMan</author>
	<datestamp>1245758400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they don't appear to criticise the competition (or if they do it doesn't make the news). They get on with what they do best.</p></div><p>Never seen the "I'm a Mac - I'm a PC" advertising campaign?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they do n't appear to criticise the competition ( or if they do it does n't make the news ) .
They get on with what they do best.Never seen the " I 'm a Mac - I 'm a PC " advertising campaign ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they don't appear to criticise the competition (or if they do it doesn't make the news).
They get on with what they do best.Never seen the "I'm a Mac - I'm a PC" advertising campaign?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447955</id>
	<title>Re:Anything is better than Microsoft FUD and whini</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245765960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't be so ignorant. Apple's entire marketing campaign is based upon criticising the competition!</p><p>Ever see those Mac vs PC ads?</p><p>Who the hell modded you insightful?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't be so ignorant .
Apple 's entire marketing campaign is based upon criticising the competition ! Ever see those Mac vs PC ads ? Who the hell modded you insightful ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't be so ignorant.
Apple's entire marketing campaign is based upon criticising the competition!Ever see those Mac vs PC ads?Who the hell modded you insightful?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446421</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446291</id>
	<title>Apple is not a tech company</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1245755640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple isn't a technology company. I know saying that's going to piss off a lot of people, but it's true. They don't sell technology -- they sell experiences, status, and other social intangibles. When you see a commercial of Miller Lite, they aren't selling beer. They are selling sex appeal, social status, and "having a good time".</p><p>Please try to remember that when discussing the faux-secrecy surrounding Apple. It's no secret what they do -- they sell computer hardware that in many (if not most) comparisons with competing products has fewer features, and is more expensive. But it's very pretty. And shiny. Oh, and that whole ease of use thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is n't a technology company .
I know saying that 's going to piss off a lot of people , but it 's true .
They do n't sell technology -- they sell experiences , status , and other social intangibles .
When you see a commercial of Miller Lite , they are n't selling beer .
They are selling sex appeal , social status , and " having a good time " .Please try to remember that when discussing the faux-secrecy surrounding Apple .
It 's no secret what they do -- they sell computer hardware that in many ( if not most ) comparisons with competing products has fewer features , and is more expensive .
But it 's very pretty .
And shiny .
Oh , and that whole ease of use thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple isn't a technology company.
I know saying that's going to piss off a lot of people, but it's true.
They don't sell technology -- they sell experiences, status, and other social intangibles.
When you see a commercial of Miller Lite, they aren't selling beer.
They are selling sex appeal, social status, and "having a good time".Please try to remember that when discussing the faux-secrecy surrounding Apple.
It's no secret what they do -- they sell computer hardware that in many (if not most) comparisons with competing products has fewer features, and is more expensive.
But it's very pretty.
And shiny.
Oh, and that whole ease of use thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28448513</id>
	<title>Shhhhh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245772500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course they are obsessed with secrecy, Big Brother is watching you know.</p><p>Shhhhhhh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course they are obsessed with secrecy , Big Brother is watching you know.Shhhhhhh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course they are obsessed with secrecy, Big Brother is watching you know.Shhhhhhh.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446495</id>
	<title>Re:Better title would be...</title>
	<author>timeOday</author>
	<datestamp>1245756600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Anyone who is upset about a so called "deliberate untruth" regarding someone's health is a total jackass.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Huh?  I would think the company's owners have every right to know who is actually running it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who is upset about a so called " deliberate untruth " regarding someone 's health is a total jackass .
Huh ? I would think the company 's owners have every right to know who is actually running it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who is upset about a so called "deliberate untruth" regarding someone's health is a total jackass.
Huh?  I would think the company's owners have every right to know who is actually running it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446039</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446373</id>
	<title>i, for one, am glad to see jobs on his feet again.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245756000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>now he can resume fucking apple fanbois up the ass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>now he can resume fucking apple fanbois up the ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>now he can resume fucking apple fanbois up the ass.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446773</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>IntlHarvester</author>
	<datestamp>1245757920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Osborne Effect may have been true during the late PPC era when Apple had a flat marketshare and grim upgrade prospects. But the average iPhone/MacBook customer doesn't follow the Apple rumormill and doesn't give a flip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Osborne Effect may have been true during the late PPC era when Apple had a flat marketshare and grim upgrade prospects .
But the average iPhone/MacBook customer does n't follow the Apple rumormill and does n't give a flip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Osborne Effect may have been true during the late PPC era when Apple had a flat marketshare and grim upgrade prospects.
But the average iPhone/MacBook customer doesn't follow the Apple rumormill and doesn't give a flip.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445943</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446327</id>
	<title>That's odd...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245755760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always thought that Apple's biggest secret was the *fact* that we have such a strict culture of secrecy. Oh, wait, I probably shouldn't have said that.  Uh-oh! Who is at the door?  Hey,  just forget this post.  No, really, I was just making a little joke. Look, I thought we decided that waterboarding is torture after all!  Arghhh.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always thought that Apple 's biggest secret was the * fact * that we have such a strict culture of secrecy .
Oh , wait , I probably should n't have said that .
Uh-oh ! Who is at the door ?
Hey , just forget this post .
No , really , I was just making a little joke .
Look , I thought we decided that waterboarding is torture after all !
Arghhh.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always thought that Apple's biggest secret was the *fact* that we have such a strict culture of secrecy.
Oh, wait, I probably shouldn't have said that.
Uh-oh! Who is at the door?
Hey,  just forget this post.
No, really, I was just making a little joke.
Look, I thought we decided that waterboarding is torture after all!
Arghhh.....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446471</id>
	<title>iPhone 4G?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245756480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I heard something about it... no idea if it is just a rumor..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard something about it... no idea if it is just a rumor. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard something about it... no idea if it is just a rumor..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28448103</id>
	<title>Re:Anything is better than Microsoft FUD and whini</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245767520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever heard of the "Hello, I'm A Mac" advertising campaign?</p><p>Apple doesn't appear to criticise the competition? "Redmond, start your copiers."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever heard of the " Hello , I 'm A Mac " advertising campaign ? Apple does n't appear to criticise the competition ?
" Redmond , start your copiers .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever heard of the "Hello, I'm A Mac" advertising campaign?Apple doesn't appear to criticise the competition?
"Redmond, start your copiers.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446421</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446417</id>
	<title>New Mac Commercial</title>
	<author>Korey Kaczor</author>
	<datestamp>1245756180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>PC: Hello, I'm a PC.
<br> <br>
Apple: Hi, I'm a Mac.
<br> <br>
PC: Hey, Mac, that's a very professional looking suit you have on there.  Quite a change: is it an Armani, by any chance?
<br> <br>
Apple: Oh, no. I'm just here to deliver you these papers.  See you in court.
<br> <br>
*Commercial ends with  "Think Different (R)" on the screen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>PC : Hello , I 'm a PC .
Apple : Hi , I 'm a Mac .
PC : Hey , Mac , that 's a very professional looking suit you have on there .
Quite a change : is it an Armani , by any chance ?
Apple : Oh , no .
I 'm just here to deliver you these papers .
See you in court .
* Commercial ends with " Think Different ( R ) " on the screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PC: Hello, I'm a PC.
Apple: Hi, I'm a Mac.
PC: Hey, Mac, that's a very professional looking suit you have on there.
Quite a change: is it an Armani, by any chance?
Apple: Oh, no.
I'm just here to deliver you these papers.
See you in court.
*Commercial ends with  "Think Different (R)" on the screen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28448601</id>
	<title>Show some humanity...</title>
	<author>MacOSXHead</author>
	<datestamp>1245773220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where is the empathy on this list for someone who has health problems, especially when it is a man who has a wife and kids?  It really sickens me to see the "humor" on some of these posts.  Steve Jobs has done more for the personal computer industry than anyone I know.  He has restored Apple, Inc to profitability. No analyst, no investor, no Mac or iPhone owner can dispute this.</p><p>The infantile need to judge someone who has achieved more than you will ever will is an ugly thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where is the empathy on this list for someone who has health problems , especially when it is a man who has a wife and kids ?
It really sickens me to see the " humor " on some of these posts .
Steve Jobs has done more for the personal computer industry than anyone I know .
He has restored Apple , Inc to profitability .
No analyst , no investor , no Mac or iPhone owner can dispute this.The infantile need to judge someone who has achieved more than you will ever will is an ugly thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where is the empathy on this list for someone who has health problems, especially when it is a man who has a wife and kids?
It really sickens me to see the "humor" on some of these posts.
Steve Jobs has done more for the personal computer industry than anyone I know.
He has restored Apple, Inc to profitability.
No analyst, no investor, no Mac or iPhone owner can dispute this.The infantile need to judge someone who has achieved more than you will ever will is an ugly thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28448117</id>
	<title>Re:Not everything is money</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1245767580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are right, don't go after Steve, but do go after Apple. Since the CEO is an important part of the company, no more so than at Apple, it is important for them to make public this information, no matter how appalling it might seem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are right , do n't go after Steve , but do go after Apple .
Since the CEO is an important part of the company , no more so than at Apple , it is important for them to make public this information , no matter how appalling it might seem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are right, don't go after Steve, but do go after Apple.
Since the CEO is an important part of the company, no more so than at Apple, it is important for them to make public this information, no matter how appalling it might seem.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446005</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447471</id>
	<title>Re:"Deliberate untruth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245762180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So are you saying that he wasn't suffering from a hormonal imbalance? I could certainly see how someone with a failing liver would be having hormone issues. Is it understating the situation? Absolutely. Is it telling a lie? Not at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So are you saying that he was n't suffering from a hormonal imbalance ?
I could certainly see how someone with a failing liver would be having hormone issues .
Is it understating the situation ?
Absolutely. Is it telling a lie ?
Not at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So are you saying that he wasn't suffering from a hormonal imbalance?
I could certainly see how someone with a failing liver would be having hormone issues.
Is it understating the situation?
Absolutely. Is it telling a lie?
Not at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445989</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28449479</id>
	<title>Re:Show some humanity...</title>
	<author>cockpitcomp</author>
	<datestamp>1245783420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Steve Job's abilities is a big part of stock's value.
It IS his track record of achievements that is used to predict future success.
Whether his perceived value is more or less than his actual value is a risk who's scope cannot be measured until he is gone. Release of medical information goes with the high profile CEO job like being able to lift 40# is to a warehouseman job. I assume he is being compensated for this burden.
Imagine a similar but more extreme case of Oprah Inc or Martha Stewart Inc without those people. They lied about his health to protect the stock price not to protect his privacy.
It's not that people don't empathize with him as a human being. It sucks to be human, we get sick, we die. If we are lucky, we accomplish something memorable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Steve Job 's abilities is a big part of stock 's value .
It IS his track record of achievements that is used to predict future success .
Whether his perceived value is more or less than his actual value is a risk who 's scope can not be measured until he is gone .
Release of medical information goes with the high profile CEO job like being able to lift 40 # is to a warehouseman job .
I assume he is being compensated for this burden .
Imagine a similar but more extreme case of Oprah Inc or Martha Stewart Inc without those people .
They lied about his health to protect the stock price not to protect his privacy .
It 's not that people do n't empathize with him as a human being .
It sucks to be human , we get sick , we die .
If we are lucky , we accomplish something memorable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve Job's abilities is a big part of stock's value.
It IS his track record of achievements that is used to predict future success.
Whether his perceived value is more or less than his actual value is a risk who's scope cannot be measured until he is gone.
Release of medical information goes with the high profile CEO job like being able to lift 40# is to a warehouseman job.
I assume he is being compensated for this burden.
Imagine a similar but more extreme case of Oprah Inc or Martha Stewart Inc without those people.
They lied about his health to protect the stock price not to protect his privacy.
It's not that people don't empathize with him as a human being.
It sucks to be human, we get sick, we die.
If we are lucky, we accomplish something memorable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28448601</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445989</id>
	<title>"Deliberate untruth"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245754320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In plain English, that's called a lie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In plain English , that 's called a lie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In plain English, that's called a lie.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446039</id>
	<title>Better title would be...</title>
	<author>FloydTheDroid</author>
	<datestamp>1245754500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are people's obsession with conspiracy theories growing?
<p>The culture of secrecy is not an Apple exclusive. Any company that has an inventory which needs to be sold would be foolish to open it's future product line to the public's eyes.</p><p>Any company which has a carefully crafted public image will not suffer just anyone to make public announcements about them. This goes double (well, a few billion times actually) for companies which are publicly traded.</p><p>Anyone who is upset about a so called "deliberate untruth" regarding someone's health is a total jackass. This article is almost too stupid to respond to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are people 's obsession with conspiracy theories growing ?
The culture of secrecy is not an Apple exclusive .
Any company that has an inventory which needs to be sold would be foolish to open it 's future product line to the public 's eyes.Any company which has a carefully crafted public image will not suffer just anyone to make public announcements about them .
This goes double ( well , a few billion times actually ) for companies which are publicly traded.Anyone who is upset about a so called " deliberate untruth " regarding someone 's health is a total jackass .
This article is almost too stupid to respond to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are people's obsession with conspiracy theories growing?
The culture of secrecy is not an Apple exclusive.
Any company that has an inventory which needs to be sold would be foolish to open it's future product line to the public's eyes.Any company which has a carefully crafted public image will not suffer just anyone to make public announcements about them.
This goes double (well, a few billion times actually) for companies which are publicly traded.Anyone who is upset about a so called "deliberate untruth" regarding someone's health is a total jackass.
This article is almost too stupid to respond to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28449505</id>
	<title>Keep it down...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Shhhhhhh people, let's keep it between us... is't supposed to be a secret...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shhhhhhh people , let 's keep it between us... is't supposed to be a secret.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shhhhhhh people, let's keep it between us... is't supposed to be a secret...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446165</id>
	<title>obsession of obsession</title>
	<author>avandesande</author>
	<datestamp>1245755040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about an article about the medias obsession over Apples obsession about secrecy?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about an article about the medias obsession over Apples obsession about secrecy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about an article about the medias obsession over Apples obsession about secrecy?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446231</id>
	<title>Atleast one thing is not a secret...</title>
	<author>binaryartist</author>
	<datestamp>1245755280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that apple has a "keep everything secret" policy... oxymoron?</htmltext>
<tokenext>that apple has a " keep everything secret " policy... oxymoron ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that apple has a "keep everything secret" policy... oxymoron?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445913</id>
	<title>Comments on secrecy...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245753960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...from a web site that requires registration. Think I'll pass...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...from a web site that requires registration .
Think I 'll pass.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...from a web site that requires registration.
Think I'll pass...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28451053</id>
	<title>Let Me Fix That For Ya....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245849000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Slashdot's Obsession With Apple Grows Stronger<br> <br>

There you go.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot 's Obsession With Apple Grows Stronger There you go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot's Obsession With Apple Grows Stronger 

There you go.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446723</id>
	<title>Re:Comments on secrecy...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245757620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Blackadder:  You do know what irony is, don't you, Baldrick?</p><p>Baldrick: Yeh, it's like goldy, or silvery, only it's iron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blackadder : You do know what irony is , do n't you , Baldrick ? Baldrick : Yeh , it 's like goldy , or silvery , only it 's iron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blackadder:  You do know what irony is, don't you, Baldrick?Baldrick: Yeh, it's like goldy, or silvery, only it's iron.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445913</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446569</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>Aladrin</author>
	<datestamp>1245756960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought the G1 months after it came out.  I bought it knowing that Samsung, HTC, and about 7 other companies have already announced that they are making new Android phones.  At least 1 of them will be better than the one I have, and it'll probably be within 6 months.  I signed a 2 year contract with my provider to get the phone as cheap as possible.</p><p>So yes, even knowing that newer, better things were coming out, I did buy the current offerings.</p><p>With computers, this is -always- the case.  Every computer will be replaced by a better model the next year.  Cars, too.  And just about everything that has to do with technology.</p><p>Yes, there are some people who will say 'oh, there's a better one coming' and wait 6 months for it...  But most people won't wait more than a month.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought the G1 months after it came out .
I bought it knowing that Samsung , HTC , and about 7 other companies have already announced that they are making new Android phones .
At least 1 of them will be better than the one I have , and it 'll probably be within 6 months .
I signed a 2 year contract with my provider to get the phone as cheap as possible.So yes , even knowing that newer , better things were coming out , I did buy the current offerings.With computers , this is -always- the case .
Every computer will be replaced by a better model the next year .
Cars , too .
And just about everything that has to do with technology.Yes , there are some people who will say 'oh , there 's a better one coming ' and wait 6 months for it... But most people wo n't wait more than a month .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought the G1 months after it came out.
I bought it knowing that Samsung, HTC, and about 7 other companies have already announced that they are making new Android phones.
At least 1 of them will be better than the one I have, and it'll probably be within 6 months.
I signed a 2 year contract with my provider to get the phone as cheap as possible.So yes, even knowing that newer, better things were coming out, I did buy the current offerings.With computers, this is -always- the case.
Every computer will be replaced by a better model the next year.
Cars, too.
And just about everything that has to do with technology.Yes, there are some people who will say 'oh, there's a better one coming' and wait 6 months for it...  But most people won't wait more than a month.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446005</id>
	<title>Not everything is money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245754380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So we realize that instead of it being something mild, Steve Jobs very well may die. Does it really make sense to go after someone who is dying for not being completely honest about well, their mortality? I mean, I'm a shareholder of Apple, and I just don't find myself furious at someone who is dying from illness.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So we realize that instead of it being something mild , Steve Jobs very well may die .
Does it really make sense to go after someone who is dying for not being completely honest about well , their mortality ?
I mean , I 'm a shareholder of Apple , and I just do n't find myself furious at someone who is dying from illness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So we realize that instead of it being something mild, Steve Jobs very well may die.
Does it really make sense to go after someone who is dying for not being completely honest about well, their mortality?
I mean, I'm a shareholder of Apple, and I just don't find myself furious at someone who is dying from illness.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28450631</id>
	<title>OSS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245842640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple is heavily reliant on open-source software, so IMO, they just owe transparency to the public.</p><p>Anyway, with that kind of attitude, I'm not sure if I want to use their technology. We have no idea what will be supported in the future and for how long. Also getting more in-depth information about a product (perhaps even source-level) will of course be impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is heavily reliant on open-source software , so IMO , they just owe transparency to the public.Anyway , with that kind of attitude , I 'm not sure if I want to use their technology .
We have no idea what will be supported in the future and for how long .
Also getting more in-depth information about a product ( perhaps even source-level ) will of course be impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is heavily reliant on open-source software, so IMO, they just owe transparency to the public.Anyway, with that kind of attitude, I'm not sure if I want to use their technology.
We have no idea what will be supported in the future and for how long.
Also getting more in-depth information about a product (perhaps even source-level) will of course be impossible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446591</id>
	<title>Yes, yes but. . .</title>
	<author>PeanutButterBreath</author>
	<datestamp>1245757080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.the article also claims that Apple's policy "is at odds with the approach taken by many other companies".  So. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.uh. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.so how do you like those apples?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .the article also claims that Apple 's policy " is at odds with the approach taken by many other companies " .
So. .
.uh. .
.so how do you like those apples ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .the article also claims that Apple's policy "is at odds with the approach taken by many other companies".
So. .
.uh. .
.so how do you like those apples?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446969</id>
	<title>Re:Anything is better than Microsoft FUD and whini</title>
	<author>FishWithAHammer</author>
	<datestamp>1245759000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they don't appear to criticise the competition (or if they do it doesn't make the news).</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upzKj-1HaKw&amp;feature=player\_embedded" title="youtube.com">They certainly do.</a> [youtube.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they do n't appear to criticise the competition ( or if they do it does n't make the news ) .
They certainly do .
[ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they don't appear to criticise the competition (or if they do it doesn't make the news).
They certainly do.
[youtube.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446945</id>
	<title>Re:Apple is not a tech company</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245758820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure...</p><p>OK, we have a 1099 dollar MacBook here and a 799 HP laptop here. The Apple is more expensive, one less USB port, same size screen, and IEEE 1394 port on my Mac.</p><p>The HP that lacks "selling sex appeal, social status, and "having a good time"' hangs every couple hours, wifi drops hourly and reboots 3-5 times a week. My sexy, social status having a good time Mac has 9 days uptime right now.</p><p>I've been using computers for 30 years now, our first computer was a IBM PC XT in April '83, first laptop I used was a Toshiba T1000, so I've been around the sexy and unsexy for a while, I use a Mac because I find them to be more stable and reliable, not because they have cool commercials and neat stores.</p><p>Apple is very much a technology company, they invented Firewire/IEEE 1394, pioneered USB and Wifi enabled computers across entire lines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure...OK , we have a 1099 dollar MacBook here and a 799 HP laptop here .
The Apple is more expensive , one less USB port , same size screen , and IEEE 1394 port on my Mac.The HP that lacks " selling sex appeal , social status , and " having a good time " ' hangs every couple hours , wifi drops hourly and reboots 3-5 times a week .
My sexy , social status having a good time Mac has 9 days uptime right now.I 've been using computers for 30 years now , our first computer was a IBM PC XT in April '83 , first laptop I used was a Toshiba T1000 , so I 've been around the sexy and unsexy for a while , I use a Mac because I find them to be more stable and reliable , not because they have cool commercials and neat stores.Apple is very much a technology company , they invented Firewire/IEEE 1394 , pioneered USB and Wifi enabled computers across entire lines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure...OK, we have a 1099 dollar MacBook here and a 799 HP laptop here.
The Apple is more expensive, one less USB port, same size screen, and IEEE 1394 port on my Mac.The HP that lacks "selling sex appeal, social status, and "having a good time"' hangs every couple hours, wifi drops hourly and reboots 3-5 times a week.
My sexy, social status having a good time Mac has 9 days uptime right now.I've been using computers for 30 years now, our first computer was a IBM PC XT in April '83, first laptop I used was a Toshiba T1000, so I've been around the sexy and unsexy for a while, I use a Mac because I find them to be more stable and reliable, not because they have cool commercials and neat stores.Apple is very much a technology company, they invented Firewire/IEEE 1394, pioneered USB and Wifi enabled computers across entire lines.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447313</id>
	<title>Re:Apple is not a tech company</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1245761100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Predictably you got modded down, as does anything that doesn't praise Apple (I browse Apple stories at -1, because of the moderation abuse). But I agree. And more to the point, surely so do Apple fans - consider how many times that they themselves argue:</p><p><i>Sure, that other phone may look better on paper, but who cares about features. What Apple are selling is an experience. I can't explain that to you, because it's not measurable, it's intangible.</i></p><p>I've also certainly heard on Slashdot the argument that the Iphone is better on the grounds of its looks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Predictably you got modded down , as does anything that does n't praise Apple ( I browse Apple stories at -1 , because of the moderation abuse ) .
But I agree .
And more to the point , surely so do Apple fans - consider how many times that they themselves argue : Sure , that other phone may look better on paper , but who cares about features .
What Apple are selling is an experience .
I ca n't explain that to you , because it 's not measurable , it 's intangible.I 've also certainly heard on Slashdot the argument that the Iphone is better on the grounds of its looks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Predictably you got modded down, as does anything that doesn't praise Apple (I browse Apple stories at -1, because of the moderation abuse).
But I agree.
And more to the point, surely so do Apple fans - consider how many times that they themselves argue:Sure, that other phone may look better on paper, but who cares about features.
What Apple are selling is an experience.
I can't explain that to you, because it's not measurable, it's intangible.I've also certainly heard on Slashdot the argument that the Iphone is better on the grounds of its looks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28449701</id>
	<title>Re:Parts: The Clonus Horror</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245785520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>   What I dont understand is why people always tie Apples success to this one man.  Do people really think Apple would just wither and die if the almighty Jobs wasnt around?  People always seem to give him sole credit for anything innovative that apple does disregarding the huge number of lowely peon engineers and design teams that bring a product to the market.  If anything, Jobs has hindered innovation that comes from the community that has given apple the financial sucess that it has by being obsessed with control of source code and enterprise image. Perhaps withput Jobs Apple will become a true force in the OS market that embraces development and innovation from the people that matter, the ones that spend money on its products and would like to improve them.<br> <br>

How does the slashdot community that embraces open source and free exchange of information worship Apple as the company that will dethrone Microsoft?  I for one am happy that Apple is not in the position that Microsoft is in, and is not the domminent company in the OS and software development market.  I will take the lesser of two evils, thank you very much.<br> <br>

Anyone care to describe what they think an Apple domminated PC market would look like? <br> <br>

Permission to flame away...<br> <br>

(Just to throw this in I dont think his personal medical history should be revealed to anyone that he does not want it revealed to, wether its the SEC, shareholders, or the zombie apple consumer)</htmltext>
<tokenext>What I dont understand is why people always tie Apples success to this one man .
Do people really think Apple would just wither and die if the almighty Jobs wasnt around ?
People always seem to give him sole credit for anything innovative that apple does disregarding the huge number of lowely peon engineers and design teams that bring a product to the market .
If anything , Jobs has hindered innovation that comes from the community that has given apple the financial sucess that it has by being obsessed with control of source code and enterprise image .
Perhaps withput Jobs Apple will become a true force in the OS market that embraces development and innovation from the people that matter , the ones that spend money on its products and would like to improve them .
How does the slashdot community that embraces open source and free exchange of information worship Apple as the company that will dethrone Microsoft ?
I for one am happy that Apple is not in the position that Microsoft is in , and is not the domminent company in the OS and software development market .
I will take the lesser of two evils , thank you very much .
Anyone care to describe what they think an Apple domminated PC market would look like ?
Permission to flame away.. . ( Just to throw this in I dont think his personal medical history should be revealed to anyone that he does not want it revealed to , wether its the SEC , shareholders , or the zombie apple consumer )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>   What I dont understand is why people always tie Apples success to this one man.
Do people really think Apple would just wither and die if the almighty Jobs wasnt around?
People always seem to give him sole credit for anything innovative that apple does disregarding the huge number of lowely peon engineers and design teams that bring a product to the market.
If anything, Jobs has hindered innovation that comes from the community that has given apple the financial sucess that it has by being obsessed with control of source code and enterprise image.
Perhaps withput Jobs Apple will become a true force in the OS market that embraces development and innovation from the people that matter, the ones that spend money on its products and would like to improve them.
How does the slashdot community that embraces open source and free exchange of information worship Apple as the company that will dethrone Microsoft?
I for one am happy that Apple is not in the position that Microsoft is in, and is not the domminent company in the OS and software development market.
I will take the lesser of two evils, thank you very much.
Anyone care to describe what they think an Apple domminated PC market would look like?
Permission to flame away... 

(Just to throw this in I dont think his personal medical history should be revealed to anyone that he does not want it revealed to, wether its the SEC, shareholders, or the zombie apple consumer)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446057</id>
	<title>Personal Life</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1245754620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is no reason that every bit of Steve Jobs personal life needs to be on display for the world.   Being a CEO of a prominent company does not mean that you need to show your medical records to everybody.  All it means is that he needs to make sure there is a plan for the company to continue running if something does happen to him.  I have to same responsibility to my company: make sure there is someone else who can take over my projects reasonably well if I happen to get hit by a bus.  It doesn't matter if he has cancer, a liver transplant, or is 100\% healthy, he still might die tomorrow if the bus comes with his name on it.  The only right shareholders have is to know that the company will continue on if he dies.  And all signs point to YES.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no reason that every bit of Steve Jobs personal life needs to be on display for the world .
Being a CEO of a prominent company does not mean that you need to show your medical records to everybody .
All it means is that he needs to make sure there is a plan for the company to continue running if something does happen to him .
I have to same responsibility to my company : make sure there is someone else who can take over my projects reasonably well if I happen to get hit by a bus .
It does n't matter if he has cancer , a liver transplant , or is 100 \ % healthy , he still might die tomorrow if the bus comes with his name on it .
The only right shareholders have is to know that the company will continue on if he dies .
And all signs point to YES .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no reason that every bit of Steve Jobs personal life needs to be on display for the world.
Being a CEO of a prominent company does not mean that you need to show your medical records to everybody.
All it means is that he needs to make sure there is a plan for the company to continue running if something does happen to him.
I have to same responsibility to my company: make sure there is someone else who can take over my projects reasonably well if I happen to get hit by a bus.
It doesn't matter if he has cancer, a liver transplant, or is 100\% healthy, he still might die tomorrow if the bus comes with his name on it.
The only right shareholders have is to know that the company will continue on if he dies.
And all signs point to YES.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446235</id>
	<title>Blizzard Entertainment</title>
	<author>spydabyte</author>
	<datestamp>1245755340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would argue that <a href="http://www.blizzard.com/us/" title="blizzard.com">blizzard</a> [blizzard.com] does this <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/5/23/" title="penny-arcade.com">quite well</a> [penny-arcade.com]. I don't think this has to do with Vivendi, Blizzard's mother company, either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would argue that blizzard [ blizzard.com ] does this quite well [ penny-arcade.com ] .
I do n't think this has to do with Vivendi , Blizzard 's mother company , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would argue that blizzard [blizzard.com] does this quite well [penny-arcade.com].
I don't think this has to do with Vivendi, Blizzard's mother company, either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446725</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>rtechie</author>
	<datestamp>1245757620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that it isn't true. The "Osborne Effect" didn't even apply to the Osborne. If this WERE true the computer video card industry, with it's 6 month refresh cycles, would have collapsed years ago. In case you aren't familiar, in the video card industry you buy a $500 video card knowing, with absolute certainty, that a much cheaper and faster card will be available at the same price or lower in 6 months. Yet people still buy video cards.</p><p>And the cellphone market is an even better example of this. Some "early adopters" (including the key teenage girl demographic) buy new cellphones 6 every months, no matter what. The vast majority of those who bought the iPhone 3GS ALREADY HAD an iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that it is n't true .
The " Osborne Effect " did n't even apply to the Osborne .
If this WERE true the computer video card industry , with it 's 6 month refresh cycles , would have collapsed years ago .
In case you are n't familiar , in the video card industry you buy a $ 500 video card knowing , with absolute certainty , that a much cheaper and faster card will be available at the same price or lower in 6 months .
Yet people still buy video cards.And the cellphone market is an even better example of this .
Some " early adopters " ( including the key teenage girl demographic ) buy new cellphones 6 every months , no matter what .
The vast majority of those who bought the iPhone 3GS ALREADY HAD an iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that it isn't true.
The "Osborne Effect" didn't even apply to the Osborne.
If this WERE true the computer video card industry, with it's 6 month refresh cycles, would have collapsed years ago.
In case you aren't familiar, in the video card industry you buy a $500 video card knowing, with absolute certainty, that a much cheaper and faster card will be available at the same price or lower in 6 months.
Yet people still buy video cards.And the cellphone market is an even better example of this.
Some "early adopters" (including the key teenage girl demographic) buy new cellphones 6 every months, no matter what.
The vast majority of those who bought the iPhone 3GS ALREADY HAD an iPhone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446421</id>
	<title>Anything is better than Microsoft FUD and whining</title>
	<author>gilesjuk</author>
	<datestamp>1245756240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd sooner have secrecy than having to listen to Balmer and co whinging about Google and talking about suing Linux vendors all the time.</p><p>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they don't appear to criticise the competition (or if they do it doesn't make the news). They get on with what they do best.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd sooner have secrecy than having to listen to Balmer and co whinging about Google and talking about suing Linux vendors all the time.Apple is pretty good in the sense that they do n't appear to criticise the competition ( or if they do it does n't make the news ) .
They get on with what they do best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd sooner have secrecy than having to listen to Balmer and co whinging about Google and talking about suing Linux vendors all the time.Apple is pretty good in the sense that they don't appear to criticise the competition (or if they do it doesn't make the news).
They get on with what they do best.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445985</id>
	<title>...so?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245754260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>They want to keep their company secrets, secret.  Put a slanted evil spin on the title just a little more please...<br> <br>

[sarcasm]<br>
SHOCK<br>
HORROR<br> <br>

How DARE they keep secrets secret!!! I am entitled to know everything they do, when they do it, and if I don't like it, I am entitled to force them to change it because I am entitled!
<br>[/sarcasm]<br>
<br> <br>
*rolls eyes*</htmltext>
<tokenext>They want to keep their company secrets , secret .
Put a slanted evil spin on the title just a little more please.. . [ sarcasm ] SHOCK HORROR How DARE they keep secrets secret ! ! !
I am entitled to know everything they do , when they do it , and if I do n't like it , I am entitled to force them to change it because I am entitled !
[ /sarcasm ] * rolls eyes *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They want to keep their company secrets, secret.
Put a slanted evil spin on the title just a little more please... 

[sarcasm]
SHOCK
HORROR 

How DARE they keep secrets secret!!!
I am entitled to know everything they do, when they do it, and if I don't like it, I am entitled to force them to change it because I am entitled!
[/sarcasm]
 
*rolls eyes*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28448655</id>
	<title>And his tea leaves too!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple should  be required to post to their website an image of the bottom of every cup of tea or coffee that Steve drinks, so stock analysts can exercise their sacred rights and interpret the patterns of the leavings to foretell the market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple should be required to post to their website an image of the bottom of every cup of tea or coffee that Steve drinks , so stock analysts can exercise their sacred rights and interpret the patterns of the leavings to foretell the market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple should  be required to post to their website an image of the bottom of every cup of tea or coffee that Steve drinks, so stock analysts can exercise their sacred rights and interpret the patterns of the leavings to foretell the market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447425</id>
	<title>Re:Comments on secrecy...</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1245761820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...from a web site that requires registration. Think I'll pass...</p></div><p>Yeah, those newspapers are the worst of the bunch.  They never disclose anything to anyone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...from a web site that requires registration .
Think I 'll pass...Yeah , those newspapers are the worst of the bunch .
They never disclose anything to anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...from a web site that requires registration.
Think I'll pass...Yeah, those newspapers are the worst of the bunch.
They never disclose anything to anyone.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446739</id>
	<title>Re:obsession of obsession</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1245757680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about an article about slashdotters' obsession over the media's obsession over Apple's obsession about secrecy? These things wouldn't get posted if people didn't read them, y'know.</p><p>And yes, I'm aware I'm part of the problem as well, but its always fun to watch the Apple fanboys 'in their own turf', so to speak<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about an article about slashdotters ' obsession over the media 's obsession over Apple 's obsession about secrecy ?
These things would n't get posted if people did n't read them , y'know.And yes , I 'm aware I 'm part of the problem as well , but its always fun to watch the Apple fanboys 'in their own turf ' , so to speak ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about an article about slashdotters' obsession over the media's obsession over Apple's obsession about secrecy?
These things wouldn't get posted if people didn't read them, y'know.And yes, I'm aware I'm part of the problem as well, but its always fun to watch the Apple fanboys 'in their own turf', so to speak ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447349</id>
	<title>Big Successfull Companies like Apple&#194;&#174;..</title>
	<author>Phizzle</author>
	<datestamp>1245761340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>are Secretive Copyright Nazis and Lie for Profit and this is news how? Oh and Dear Apple&#194;&#174;&#226; Legal Person, please do not sue my ass off!</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>are Secretive Copyright Nazis and Lie for Profit and this is news how ?
Oh and Dear Apple       Legal Person , please do not sue my ass off !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are Secretive Copyright Nazis and Lie for Profit and this is news how?
Oh and Dear AppleÂ®â Legal Person, please do not sue my ass off!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447041</id>
	<title>Re:The SEC may be interested...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245759360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It seems impossible to me to attribute All Things To Chairman Steve"</p><p>Chairman and CEO Steve Jobs?...  or<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Chair-Man Steve Ballmer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It seems impossible to me to attribute All Things To Chairman Steve " Chairman and CEO Steve Jobs ? .. .
or ... Chair-Man Steve Ballmer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It seems impossible to me to attribute All Things To Chairman Steve"Chairman and CEO Steve Jobs?...
or ... Chair-Man Steve Ballmer?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446031</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446437</id>
	<title>Steve's health affected stock price - NOT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245756300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you look at Apple's stock price around the times health issues were declared, then you will see that it mirrors more the general tech market than knee jerk reactions to his health.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you look at Apple 's stock price around the times health issues were declared , then you will see that it mirrors more the general tech market than knee jerk reactions to his health .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you look at Apple's stock price around the times health issues were declared, then you will see that it mirrors more the general tech market than knee jerk reactions to his health.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28450229</id>
	<title>Re:Better title would be...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245835440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly, Apple is obliged to report any news or information to the shareholders and public that may have material effect on there shareprice. The fact Steve is a significant factor in Apple's shareprice and hence his health (or more important his lack of health) needs to be on public record so that those with ainside knowledge (eg a doctor or nurse) can't take financial benefit on the stock from insider knowledge.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly , Apple is obliged to report any news or information to the shareholders and public that may have material effect on there shareprice .
The fact Steve is a significant factor in Apple 's shareprice and hence his health ( or more important his lack of health ) needs to be on public record so that those with ainside knowledge ( eg a doctor or nurse ) ca n't take financial benefit on the stock from insider knowledge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly, Apple is obliged to report any news or information to the shareholders and public that may have material effect on there shareprice.
The fact Steve is a significant factor in Apple's shareprice and hence his health (or more important his lack of health) needs to be on public record so that those with ainside knowledge (eg a doctor or nurse) can't take financial benefit on the stock from insider knowledge.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446755</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446673</id>
	<title>Steve Jobs is dead</title>
	<author>nausea\_malvarma</author>
	<datestamp>1245757440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>He died in a car accident in 2006. The Steve Jobs you see today is a look-alike hired by Apple. The whole illness story was fabricated to explain the subtle differences in appearance between the the look-alike and the real Jobs. What's left of Steve is being held at a cryogenics facility in silicon valley. It's all true.  Don't believe me? Play the latest iphone commercial backwards. You can hear a voice say "Steve Jobs is Dead".</htmltext>
<tokenext>He died in a car accident in 2006 .
The Steve Jobs you see today is a look-alike hired by Apple .
The whole illness story was fabricated to explain the subtle differences in appearance between the the look-alike and the real Jobs .
What 's left of Steve is being held at a cryogenics facility in silicon valley .
It 's all true .
Do n't believe me ?
Play the latest iphone commercial backwards .
You can hear a voice say " Steve Jobs is Dead " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He died in a car accident in 2006.
The Steve Jobs you see today is a look-alike hired by Apple.
The whole illness story was fabricated to explain the subtle differences in appearance between the the look-alike and the real Jobs.
What's left of Steve is being held at a cryogenics facility in silicon valley.
It's all true.
Don't believe me?
Play the latest iphone commercial backwards.
You can hear a voice say "Steve Jobs is Dead".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28451149</id>
	<title>Re:Parts: The Clonus Horror</title>
	<author>akayani</author>
	<datestamp>1245850260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Remember, there's a little piece of all of you inside me"<br><br>That is so gay.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Remember , there 's a little piece of all of you inside me " That is so gay .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Remember, there's a little piece of all of you inside me"That is so gay.
;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445861</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447555</id>
	<title>Re:It's a funny kind of ship that leaks from the t</title>
	<author>nEoN nOoDlE</author>
	<datestamp>1245762720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> If I or a colleague said anything, it was a leak... But if someone on top said something, well, that was strategic.</p></div><p>But that is a huge distinction. If I tell you my secret, that's me confiding in you. If you tell someone else my secret, you're breaking my trust. Since the people at the top are the ones who own the secrets, it's theirs to tell.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I or a colleague said anything , it was a leak... But if someone on top said something , well , that was strategic.But that is a huge distinction .
If I tell you my secret , that 's me confiding in you .
If you tell someone else my secret , you 're breaking my trust .
Since the people at the top are the ones who own the secrets , it 's theirs to tell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If I or a colleague said anything, it was a leak... But if someone on top said something, well, that was strategic.But that is a huge distinction.
If I tell you my secret, that's me confiding in you.
If you tell someone else my secret, you're breaking my trust.
Since the people at the top are the ones who own the secrets, it's theirs to tell.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446021</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28451495</id>
	<title>Re:Parts: The Clonus Horror</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1245852960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've met some Apple fanboys so dedicated to the cause they probably would have given if Steve asked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've met some Apple fanboys so dedicated to the cause they probably would have given if Steve asked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've met some Apple fanboys so dedicated to the cause they probably would have given if Steve asked.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445861</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28462647</id>
	<title>Re:Apple is not a tech company</title>
	<author>toddestan</author>
	<datestamp>1245862560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What, do you keep the MacBook in your freezer or something?  There's simply no way you've had a Macbook on for 9 days without it overheating and crashing, the cooling in them is totally inadequate.</p><p>Though if you want to compare uptimes, I once went over 6 months without rebooting a Thinkpad running XP, with suspending/resuming it several times a day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What , do you keep the MacBook in your freezer or something ?
There 's simply no way you 've had a Macbook on for 9 days without it overheating and crashing , the cooling in them is totally inadequate.Though if you want to compare uptimes , I once went over 6 months without rebooting a Thinkpad running XP , with suspending/resuming it several times a day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What, do you keep the MacBook in your freezer or something?
There's simply no way you've had a Macbook on for 9 days without it overheating and crashing, the cooling in them is totally inadequate.Though if you want to compare uptimes, I once went over 6 months without rebooting a Thinkpad running XP, with suspending/resuming it several times a day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446945</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446941</id>
	<title>Re:Anything is better than Microsoft FUD and whini</title>
	<author>kitsunewarlock</author>
	<datestamp>1245758820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apparently you don't watch much TV; Apples entire advertising strategy is criticizing the competition for claims which, in many cases, simply fantasy (such as "1,000 years in the future, we will still be a superior machine").</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently you do n't watch much TV ; Apples entire advertising strategy is criticizing the competition for claims which , in many cases , simply fantasy ( such as " 1,000 years in the future , we will still be a superior machine " ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently you don't watch much TV; Apples entire advertising strategy is criticizing the competition for claims which, in many cases, simply fantasy (such as "1,000 years in the future, we will still be a superior machine").</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446421</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446721</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245757620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right - if I knew what was coming out, I'd be able to make better purchasing decisions.</p><p>Why do we give corporations any right of privacy, again?  Is there any social benefit to it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right - if I knew what was coming out , I 'd be able to make better purchasing decisions.Why do we give corporations any right of privacy , again ?
Is there any social benefit to it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right - if I knew what was coming out, I'd be able to make better purchasing decisions.Why do we give corporations any right of privacy, again?
Is there any social benefit to it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445943</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446299</id>
	<title>Deliberate Untruth?</title>
	<author>booleanoperator</author>
	<datestamp>1245755640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just another term for lie when coming from a fanboy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just another term for lie when coming from a fanboy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just another term for lie when coming from a fanboy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445911</id>
	<title>Iran</title>
	<author>sys.stdout.write</author>
	<datestamp>1245753900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>needs to hire Apple.</htmltext>
<tokenext>needs to hire Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>needs to hire Apple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446027</id>
	<title>Or maybe it's a deliberate partial truth...</title>
	<author>bennomatic</author>
	<datestamp>1245754440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's quite possible that they knew of the likelihood of cancer at the time of the announcement, but that only the hormonal imbalance had been officially diagnosed.  I mean, I think that Jobs has done a great job since his return to Apple, but there's more than one way to skin a cat, and it's possible that someone like Cook could take over and take the company even further into the stratosphere.  I'm just saying, Jobs is only a man.
<br> <br>
Combine that with the fact that plenty of perfectly healthy CEOs have been raping and plundering their companies, destroying entire industries with practices ranging from questionable to outright fraudulent.  Jobs' health is his own concern, and I wish him good health for its own sake, not the value of my share in Apple.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's quite possible that they knew of the likelihood of cancer at the time of the announcement , but that only the hormonal imbalance had been officially diagnosed .
I mean , I think that Jobs has done a great job since his return to Apple , but there 's more than one way to skin a cat , and it 's possible that someone like Cook could take over and take the company even further into the stratosphere .
I 'm just saying , Jobs is only a man .
Combine that with the fact that plenty of perfectly healthy CEOs have been raping and plundering their companies , destroying entire industries with practices ranging from questionable to outright fraudulent .
Jobs ' health is his own concern , and I wish him good health for its own sake , not the value of my share in Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's quite possible that they knew of the likelihood of cancer at the time of the announcement, but that only the hormonal imbalance had been officially diagnosed.
I mean, I think that Jobs has done a great job since his return to Apple, but there's more than one way to skin a cat, and it's possible that someone like Cook could take over and take the company even further into the stratosphere.
I'm just saying, Jobs is only a man.
Combine that with the fact that plenty of perfectly healthy CEOs have been raping and plundering their companies, destroying entire industries with practices ranging from questionable to outright fraudulent.
Jobs' health is his own concern, and I wish him good health for its own sake, not the value of my share in Apple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446767</id>
	<title>Re:Anything is better than Microsoft FUD and whini</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245757860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they don't appear to criticise the competition (or if they do it doesn't make the news). They get on with what they do best.</p></div><p>And how did the Mac vs. PC ads not criticize the competition?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they do n't appear to criticise the competition ( or if they do it does n't make the news ) .
They get on with what they do best.And how did the Mac vs. PC ads not criticize the competition ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is pretty good in the sense that they don't appear to criticise the competition (or if they do it doesn't make the news).
They get on with what they do best.And how did the Mac vs. PC ads not criticize the competition?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446421</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28448211</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>Fulcrum of Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1245768720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In case you aren't familiar, in the video card industry you buy a $500 video card knowing, with absolute certainty, that a much cheaper and faster card will be available at the same price or lower in 6 months. Yet people still buy video cards.</p></div><p>Nvidia doesn't announce new graphics cards before they're available, tanking demand for the current product, then discounts the old generation (which is cheap to make at that point) to reduce inventory. It helps that the graphics card market is nicely segmented between gamers, gadget freaks, and don't cares.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In case you are n't familiar , in the video card industry you buy a $ 500 video card knowing , with absolute certainty , that a much cheaper and faster card will be available at the same price or lower in 6 months .
Yet people still buy video cards.Nvidia does n't announce new graphics cards before they 're available , tanking demand for the current product , then discounts the old generation ( which is cheap to make at that point ) to reduce inventory .
It helps that the graphics card market is nicely segmented between gamers , gadget freaks , and do n't cares .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In case you aren't familiar, in the video card industry you buy a $500 video card knowing, with absolute certainty, that a much cheaper and faster card will be available at the same price or lower in 6 months.
Yet people still buy video cards.Nvidia doesn't announce new graphics cards before they're available, tanking demand for the current product, then discounts the old generation (which is cheap to make at that point) to reduce inventory.
It helps that the graphics card market is nicely segmented between gamers, gadget freaks, and don't cares.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446725</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447283</id>
	<title>Re:Anything is better than Microsoft FUD and whini</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245760860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah apple never whines or criticizes it's competition.  Well except for nearly all of their commercials where they rely on stereotypes to bash Microsoft.  Those commercials are the ultimate whine about their competition and they are annoying as hell.  Im not a fan of MS but honestly when was the last time XPsp2 crashed or didn't "just work"?  Maybe I'm just jaded because I admin 50 XP boxes and 20 OSX boxes, but the people using OSX have a significantly greater rate of needing assistance than my windows users...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah apple never whines or criticizes it 's competition .
Well except for nearly all of their commercials where they rely on stereotypes to bash Microsoft .
Those commercials are the ultimate whine about their competition and they are annoying as hell .
Im not a fan of MS but honestly when was the last time XPsp2 crashed or did n't " just work " ?
Maybe I 'm just jaded because I admin 50 XP boxes and 20 OSX boxes , but the people using OSX have a significantly greater rate of needing assistance than my windows users.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah apple never whines or criticizes it's competition.
Well except for nearly all of their commercials where they rely on stereotypes to bash Microsoft.
Those commercials are the ultimate whine about their competition and they are annoying as hell.
Im not a fan of MS but honestly when was the last time XPsp2 crashed or didn't "just work"?
Maybe I'm just jaded because I admin 50 XP boxes and 20 OSX boxes, but the people using OSX have a significantly greater rate of needing assistance than my windows users...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446421</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28448065</id>
	<title>A Company W/o Trade Secrets Isn't Competing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245767160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every business entity has something their coulda/woulda/shoulda done differently. And, every stock holder wants complete transparency for all business dealings and information but their own.</p><p>Apple feels it realizes a business advantage from playing its cards a bit closer to the vest than - say - Dell. The only difference, <i>the only difference</i> between the trade secrets Apple holds dear (starting from the very existence of an unreleased product, on down) to those for Dell (a US$0.02 price advantage on sata cables) is that Apple's are vastly more interesting to read about.</p><p>Therefore, what Apple considers a trade secret is of great financial interest to writers and publishers who are accustomed to knowing every corporate detail except how the execs are manipulating the company stock this week, and which subordinates they're dicking.</p><p>If the press, or more to the point the stockholders, don't think they're feeling enough love, they can sell the other owners on the Transparent Apple, Inc. concept at the next stockholders meeting, and vote a new board accordingly. Until I see signs of a nasty proxy fight over this, the whole thing is <i>made up news</i>, or in the word of the metatags, !news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every business entity has something their coulda/woulda/shoulda done differently .
And , every stock holder wants complete transparency for all business dealings and information but their own.Apple feels it realizes a business advantage from playing its cards a bit closer to the vest than - say - Dell .
The only difference , the only difference between the trade secrets Apple holds dear ( starting from the very existence of an unreleased product , on down ) to those for Dell ( a US $ 0.02 price advantage on sata cables ) is that Apple 's are vastly more interesting to read about.Therefore , what Apple considers a trade secret is of great financial interest to writers and publishers who are accustomed to knowing every corporate detail except how the execs are manipulating the company stock this week , and which subordinates they 're dicking.If the press , or more to the point the stockholders , do n't think they 're feeling enough love , they can sell the other owners on the Transparent Apple , Inc. concept at the next stockholders meeting , and vote a new board accordingly .
Until I see signs of a nasty proxy fight over this , the whole thing is made up news , or in the word of the metatags , ! news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every business entity has something their coulda/woulda/shoulda done differently.
And, every stock holder wants complete transparency for all business dealings and information but their own.Apple feels it realizes a business advantage from playing its cards a bit closer to the vest than - say - Dell.
The only difference, the only difference between the trade secrets Apple holds dear (starting from the very existence of an unreleased product, on down) to those for Dell (a US$0.02 price advantage on sata cables) is that Apple's are vastly more interesting to read about.Therefore, what Apple considers a trade secret is of great financial interest to writers and publishers who are accustomed to knowing every corporate detail except how the execs are manipulating the company stock this week, and which subordinates they're dicking.If the press, or more to the point the stockholders, don't think they're feeling enough love, they can sell the other owners on the Transparent Apple, Inc. concept at the next stockholders meeting, and vote a new board accordingly.
Until I see signs of a nasty proxy fight over this, the whole thing is made up news, or in the word of the metatags, !news.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446083</id>
	<title>Re:Parts: The Clonus Horror</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245754740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I (sorta) see where you're coming from; the problem is one of "just because he's a CEO doesn't mean he's not entitled to privacy about medical matters."  It was announced that he was having "medical problems;" past that I don't really see as it's the world's business.  If it was, we'd not have things such as HIPAA in place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ( sorta ) see where you 're coming from ; the problem is one of " just because he 's a CEO does n't mean he 's not entitled to privacy about medical matters .
" It was announced that he was having " medical problems ; " past that I do n't really see as it 's the world 's business .
If it was , we 'd not have things such as HIPAA in place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I (sorta) see where you're coming from; the problem is one of "just because he's a CEO doesn't mean he's not entitled to privacy about medical matters.
"  It was announced that he was having "medical problems;" past that I don't really see as it's the world's business.
If it was, we'd not have things such as HIPAA in place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445861</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28448719</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>Uberbah</author>
	<datestamp>1245774780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If this WERE true the computer video card industry, with it's 6 month refresh cycles, would have collapsed years ago. </i></p><p>Except that Nvidia and ATI only unveil new product specs when they are close to launch, and when they're ready to start discounting the current generation.  Exactly what Apple does.  I know Nvidia will have a faster card next year, and Apple will have iPods with more memory for the same or lesser price, but wont know the details until they've been announced.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this WERE true the computer video card industry , with it 's 6 month refresh cycles , would have collapsed years ago .
Except that Nvidia and ATI only unveil new product specs when they are close to launch , and when they 're ready to start discounting the current generation .
Exactly what Apple does .
I know Nvidia will have a faster card next year , and Apple will have iPods with more memory for the same or lesser price , but wont know the details until they 've been announced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this WERE true the computer video card industry, with it's 6 month refresh cycles, would have collapsed years ago.
Except that Nvidia and ATI only unveil new product specs when they are close to launch, and when they're ready to start discounting the current generation.
Exactly what Apple does.
I know Nvidia will have a faster card next year, and Apple will have iPods with more memory for the same or lesser price, but wont know the details until they've been announced.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446725</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446031</id>
	<title>The SEC may be interested...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245754440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It seems impossible to me to attribute All Things To Chairman Steve, and at the same time suggest that serious illness of the CEO, Chief Designer, Head Boffin, and the virtual Persona of Apple Inc is not a material event, and is something the company can glibly lie about.  <a href="http://valleywag.gawker.com/5028508/steve-jobss-health-leads-top-apple-flack-to-contract-common-bug-with-the-truth" title="gawker.com">http://valleywag.gawker.com/5028508/steve-jobss-health-leads-top-apple-flack-to-contract-common-bug-with-the-truth</a> [gawker.com]</p><p>If true that Jobs had liver replacement, why is this not a violation of reporting requirements?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems impossible to me to attribute All Things To Chairman Steve , and at the same time suggest that serious illness of the CEO , Chief Designer , Head Boffin , and the virtual Persona of Apple Inc is not a material event , and is something the company can glibly lie about .
http : //valleywag.gawker.com/5028508/steve-jobss-health-leads-top-apple-flack-to-contract-common-bug-with-the-truth [ gawker.com ] If true that Jobs had liver replacement , why is this not a violation of reporting requirements ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems impossible to me to attribute All Things To Chairman Steve, and at the same time suggest that serious illness of the CEO, Chief Designer, Head Boffin, and the virtual Persona of Apple Inc is not a material event, and is something the company can glibly lie about.
http://valleywag.gawker.com/5028508/steve-jobss-health-leads-top-apple-flack-to-contract-common-bug-with-the-truth [gawker.com]If true that Jobs had liver replacement, why is this not a violation of reporting requirements?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446313</id>
	<title>Definition, please.</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1245755700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Apple's assertions from January &#226;" that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance &#226;" seem like a deliberate untruth.</p></div></blockquote><p>Is that anything like a lie?</p><p>If I was still an Apple shareholder I would be extremely pissed at the Apple CEO for keeping such an important bit of information secret.  How much you want to bet that the very few people who knew the truth made some interesting trades in Apple stock during the period this deliberate lie was in effect.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple 's assertions from January   " that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance   " seem like a deliberate untruth.Is that anything like a lie ? If I was still an Apple shareholder I would be extremely pissed at the Apple CEO for keeping such an important bit of information secret .
How much you want to bet that the very few people who knew the truth made some interesting trades in Apple stock during the period this deliberate lie was in effect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple's assertions from January â" that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance â" seem like a deliberate untruth.Is that anything like a lie?If I was still an Apple shareholder I would be extremely pissed at the Apple CEO for keeping such an important bit of information secret.
How much you want to bet that the very few people who knew the truth made some interesting trades in Apple stock during the period this deliberate lie was in effect.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446909</id>
	<title>RDF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245758700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is just a side effect of the Reality Distortion Field. Nothing to see here, just move along .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just a side effect of the Reality Distortion Field .
Nothing to see here , just move along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just a side effect of the Reality Distortion Field.
Nothing to see here, just move along .</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447563</id>
	<title>Re:Anything is better than Microsoft FUD and whini</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245762840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you miss all those PC/Mac ads where they roundly criticise the competition?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you miss all those PC/Mac ads where they roundly criticise the competition ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you miss all those PC/Mac ads where they roundly criticise the competition?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446421</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445921</id>
	<title>Here come the fanboys</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245753960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"A god does not reveal his plan to his subjects!" "Don't question Steve Jobs!" "I love Apple!" Etc etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" A god does not reveal his plan to his subjects !
" " Do n't question Steve Jobs !
" " I love Apple !
" Etc etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A god does not reveal his plan to his subjects!
" "Don't question Steve Jobs!
" "I love Apple!
" Etc etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445861</id>
	<title>Parts:  The Clonus Horror</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245753720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But even by Apple's standards, its handling of news about the health of its chief executive and co-founder, Steven P. Jobs, who has battled pancreatic cancer and recently had a liver transplant while on a leave of absence, is unparalleled.</p></div><p>Indeed, very little of the matter comprising Steve Jobs is still Steve Jobs.  The man's like a <a href="http://www.delorean.com/newbuild.asp" title="delorean.com" rel="nofollow">rebuilt Delorian</a> [delorean.com].  Am I the only person that shudders when he closes all of his speeches  with "Remember, there's a little piece of all of you inside me"?  <br> <br>I guess if I ran a cult I'd be asking for new organs from my younger zealots too.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But even by Apple 's standards , its handling of news about the health of its chief executive and co-founder , Steven P. Jobs , who has battled pancreatic cancer and recently had a liver transplant while on a leave of absence , is unparalleled.Indeed , very little of the matter comprising Steve Jobs is still Steve Jobs .
The man 's like a rebuilt Delorian [ delorean.com ] .
Am I the only person that shudders when he closes all of his speeches with " Remember , there 's a little piece of all of you inside me " ?
I guess if I ran a cult I 'd be asking for new organs from my younger zealots too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But even by Apple's standards, its handling of news about the health of its chief executive and co-founder, Steven P. Jobs, who has battled pancreatic cancer and recently had a liver transplant while on a leave of absence, is unparalleled.Indeed, very little of the matter comprising Steve Jobs is still Steve Jobs.
The man's like a rebuilt Delorian [delorean.com].
Am I the only person that shudders when he closes all of his speeches  with "Remember, there's a little piece of all of you inside me"?
I guess if I ran a cult I'd be asking for new organs from my younger zealots too.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446021</id>
	<title>It's a funny kind of ship that leaks from the top.</title>
	<author>sillivalley</author>
	<datestamp>1245754440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was with Apple through the late 90's.  Yes, that was an era of leaks -- but more often than not, they came from up top, not from the folks down in the trenches.
<p>What was the difference?  If I or a colleague said anything, it was a leak, and we'd be fried.  But if someone on top said something, well, that was <i>strategic.</i>
</p><p>See the difference?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was with Apple through the late 90 's .
Yes , that was an era of leaks -- but more often than not , they came from up top , not from the folks down in the trenches .
What was the difference ?
If I or a colleague said anything , it was a leak , and we 'd be fried .
But if someone on top said something , well , that was strategic .
See the difference ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was with Apple through the late 90's.
Yes, that was an era of leaks -- but more often than not, they came from up top, not from the folks down in the trenches.
What was the difference?
If I or a colleague said anything, it was a leak, and we'd be fried.
But if someone on top said something, well, that was strategic.
See the difference?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446881</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1245758580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...Would you buy a "new" iPhone if you were told a better one was 6 months away, and all the cool features it would have eventually?</p></div><p>But there's more to it than the Osborne effect.  Apple's innovations are often the sort that can be echoed by competitors, diluting the return on their initiative and investment if disclosed too early.  In this respect they're no different from any other toy company.  I remember it once being said that it was easier to enter the offices of the Pentagon than to acquire a visitors pass to Mattel, so the secrecy may be simply good business.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...Would you buy a " new " iPhone if you were told a better one was 6 months away , and all the cool features it would have eventually ? But there 's more to it than the Osborne effect .
Apple 's innovations are often the sort that can be echoed by competitors , diluting the return on their initiative and investment if disclosed too early .
In this respect they 're no different from any other toy company .
I remember it once being said that it was easier to enter the offices of the Pentagon than to acquire a visitors pass to Mattel , so the secrecy may be simply good business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...Would you buy a "new" iPhone if you were told a better one was 6 months away, and all the cool features it would have eventually?But there's more to it than the Osborne effect.
Apple's innovations are often the sort that can be echoed by competitors, diluting the return on their initiative and investment if disclosed too early.
In this respect they're no different from any other toy company.
I remember it once being said that it was easier to enter the offices of the Pentagon than to acquire a visitors pass to Mattel, so the secrecy may be simply good business.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445943</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446817</id>
	<title>enough with beating around the bush</title>
	<author>jollyreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1245758100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Steve Jobs may have had a liver transplant, still not confirmed by the company, now makes one of Apple's assertions from January -- that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance -- seem like a deliberate untruth."</p></div><p>"Deliberate untruth?" How about "bald-faced lie?" That's like trying to recast rape as "surprise sex."</p><p>Apple deliberately lied and concealed the state of Steve's health because they wanted to prevent a public panic. The public would panic because Jobs' has been made the public face of the company, is Apple to the public's perception, and the wheels will fall off if he's out of the picture. Whether or not that would be the case, this is how the public feels. Given his rock star CEO status and given that the stock may well drop with this disclosure, there may very well be a case for the shareholders to file a class-action suit calling this fraud.</p><p>I do think that the lack of public awareness of any succession policy within Apple, the naming of an appointed and groomed successor puts the company at risk. Smart people have always worked at Apple but we saw how lost they became after Jobs was kicked out. Smart people working at cross purposes leads to a giant mess. The wiki writeup on the development of OSX was an eye-opener. Jobs had to be brought in as a consultant to clean up the mess left by the aborted OS9 replacement efforts. The company needed a benign dictator to sort things out.</p><p>Some will point out that many other technology companies survive without having a CEO who is on a first name basis with the global public. This is true but Apple is as much a fashion label as a technology company. He's more akin to Oprah or Richard Branson than, say, the heads of Sony or IBM or Samsung whose names I can't even think of at the moment because nobody's made an issue of it. I don't think anybody would panic if the CEO of American Airlines dropped dead but if Richard Branson croaked, I think the Virgin brands would take a hit even if it wasn't really warranted.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Steve Jobs may have had a liver transplant , still not confirmed by the company , now makes one of Apple 's assertions from January -- that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance -- seem like a deliberate untruth .
" " Deliberate untruth ?
" How about " bald-faced lie ?
" That 's like trying to recast rape as " surprise sex .
" Apple deliberately lied and concealed the state of Steve 's health because they wanted to prevent a public panic .
The public would panic because Jobs ' has been made the public face of the company , is Apple to the public 's perception , and the wheels will fall off if he 's out of the picture .
Whether or not that would be the case , this is how the public feels .
Given his rock star CEO status and given that the stock may well drop with this disclosure , there may very well be a case for the shareholders to file a class-action suit calling this fraud.I do think that the lack of public awareness of any succession policy within Apple , the naming of an appointed and groomed successor puts the company at risk .
Smart people have always worked at Apple but we saw how lost they became after Jobs was kicked out .
Smart people working at cross purposes leads to a giant mess .
The wiki writeup on the development of OSX was an eye-opener .
Jobs had to be brought in as a consultant to clean up the mess left by the aborted OS9 replacement efforts .
The company needed a benign dictator to sort things out.Some will point out that many other technology companies survive without having a CEO who is on a first name basis with the global public .
This is true but Apple is as much a fashion label as a technology company .
He 's more akin to Oprah or Richard Branson than , say , the heads of Sony or IBM or Samsung whose names I ca n't even think of at the moment because nobody 's made an issue of it .
I do n't think anybody would panic if the CEO of American Airlines dropped dead but if Richard Branson croaked , I think the Virgin brands would take a hit even if it was n't really warranted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve Jobs may have had a liver transplant, still not confirmed by the company, now makes one of Apple's assertions from January -- that Jobs was suffering only from a hormonal imbalance -- seem like a deliberate untruth.
""Deliberate untruth?
" How about "bald-faced lie?
" That's like trying to recast rape as "surprise sex.
"Apple deliberately lied and concealed the state of Steve's health because they wanted to prevent a public panic.
The public would panic because Jobs' has been made the public face of the company, is Apple to the public's perception, and the wheels will fall off if he's out of the picture.
Whether or not that would be the case, this is how the public feels.
Given his rock star CEO status and given that the stock may well drop with this disclosure, there may very well be a case for the shareholders to file a class-action suit calling this fraud.I do think that the lack of public awareness of any succession policy within Apple, the naming of an appointed and groomed successor puts the company at risk.
Smart people have always worked at Apple but we saw how lost they became after Jobs was kicked out.
Smart people working at cross purposes leads to a giant mess.
The wiki writeup on the development of OSX was an eye-opener.
Jobs had to be brought in as a consultant to clean up the mess left by the aborted OS9 replacement efforts.
The company needed a benign dictator to sort things out.Some will point out that many other technology companies survive without having a CEO who is on a first name basis with the global public.
This is true but Apple is as much a fashion label as a technology company.
He's more akin to Oprah or Richard Branson than, say, the heads of Sony or IBM or Samsung whose names I can't even think of at the moment because nobody's made an issue of it.
I don't think anybody would panic if the CEO of American Airlines dropped dead but if Richard Branson croaked, I think the Virgin brands would take a hit even if it wasn't really warranted.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28449209</id>
	<title>Sorry, but...</title>
	<author>spacefiddle</author>
	<datestamp>1245780000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"The NY Times has a story on the culture of secrecy at Apple (registration possibly required)."</p></div><p>/facepalm</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The NY Times has a story on the culture of secrecy at Apple ( registration possibly required ) .
" /facepalm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The NY Times has a story on the culture of secrecy at Apple (registration possibly required).
"/facepalm
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447689</id>
	<title>I read that as:</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245763860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple's Obsession With Sorcery Grows Stronger</p><p>which would explain a few things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple 's Obsession With Sorcery Grows Strongerwhich would explain a few things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple's Obsession With Sorcery Grows Strongerwhich would explain a few things.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446625</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245757200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The page you linked to offers logical proof that the osborne effect was a myth and did not cause any negative effects, indicating that anyone who holds true to that belief is wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The page you linked to offers logical proof that the osborne effect was a myth and did not cause any negative effects , indicating that anyone who holds true to that belief is wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The page you linked to offers logical proof that the osborne effect was a myth and did not cause any negative effects, indicating that anyone who holds true to that belief is wrong.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445943</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446989</id>
	<title>Re:It's a funny kind of ship that leaks from the t</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1245759060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...it was a leak, and we'd be fried</p></div></blockquote><p>
mmMMmm...Delicious Apple Fritters.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...it was a leak , and we 'd be fried mmMMmm...Delicious Apple Fritters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it was a leak, and we'd be fried
mmMMmm...Delicious Apple Fritters.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446021</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28449413</id>
	<title>Re:Better title would be...</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1245782700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you have any evidence that Apple has lied about this? I thought not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have any evidence that Apple has lied about this ?
I thought not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have any evidence that Apple has lied about this?
I thought not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446755</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446579</id>
	<title>G-Damned Hippies!!!</title>
	<author>jameskojiro</author>
	<datestamp>1245757020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are all about free love and freedom of information when they pass out those silly ass pamphlets to everyone in the street.   But you give them some money and power and they go bat shit insane and against their own ethics to try to keep as much as they possibly can.</p><p>I would rather deal with someone who is a staunch capitalist from the get go because you at least know what you are getting.   Rather than dealing with some back stabbing hippie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are all about free love and freedom of information when they pass out those silly ass pamphlets to everyone in the street .
But you give them some money and power and they go bat shit insane and against their own ethics to try to keep as much as they possibly can.I would rather deal with someone who is a staunch capitalist from the get go because you at least know what you are getting .
Rather than dealing with some back stabbing hippie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are all about free love and freedom of information when they pass out those silly ass pamphlets to everyone in the street.
But you give them some money and power and they go bat shit insane and against their own ethics to try to keep as much as they possibly can.I would rather deal with someone who is a staunch capitalist from the get go because you at least know what you are getting.
Rather than dealing with some back stabbing hippie.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446755</id>
	<title>Re:Better title would be...</title>
	<author>Abreu</author>
	<datestamp>1245757800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point is that Apple decided to lie about Steve Jobs health to avoid a stock price crash.</p><p>There is a good reason why stockholders and the SEC should be angry</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point is that Apple decided to lie about Steve Jobs health to avoid a stock price crash.There is a good reason why stockholders and the SEC should be angry</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point is that Apple decided to lie about Steve Jobs health to avoid a stock price crash.There is a good reason why stockholders and the SEC should be angry</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446039</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447243</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1245760680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given how much hype there is over every future possible Apple product, it's not clear to me that Apple have mastered the Osborne Effect - far from it (although I suppose it could be argued that since there's so much hype over even mere rumour, people have no way of telling actual planned products from vapourware when it comes to Apple). Talking of which, the idea that Apple are a secret company seems rather odd, given the coverage they get. It's been what, three Apple stories just today? If Steve Jobs so much as picks his nose, there'll be a Slashdot story about it. Whilst actual news from actual major players in the phone market like Nokia gets ignored (unless they're doing something bad, of course).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given how much hype there is over every future possible Apple product , it 's not clear to me that Apple have mastered the Osborne Effect - far from it ( although I suppose it could be argued that since there 's so much hype over even mere rumour , people have no way of telling actual planned products from vapourware when it comes to Apple ) .
Talking of which , the idea that Apple are a secret company seems rather odd , given the coverage they get .
It 's been what , three Apple stories just today ?
If Steve Jobs so much as picks his nose , there 'll be a Slashdot story about it .
Whilst actual news from actual major players in the phone market like Nokia gets ignored ( unless they 're doing something bad , of course ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given how much hype there is over every future possible Apple product, it's not clear to me that Apple have mastered the Osborne Effect - far from it (although I suppose it could be argued that since there's so much hype over even mere rumour, people have no way of telling actual planned products from vapourware when it comes to Apple).
Talking of which, the idea that Apple are a secret company seems rather odd, given the coverage they get.
It's been what, three Apple stories just today?
If Steve Jobs so much as picks his nose, there'll be a Slashdot story about it.
Whilst actual news from actual major players in the phone market like Nokia gets ignored (unless they're doing something bad, of course).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445943</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447899</id>
	<title>Re:Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1245765600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The vast majority of those who bought the iPhone 3GS ALREADY HAD an iPhone. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation\_needed" title="wikipedia.org">[citation needed]</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The vast majority of those who bought the iPhone 3GS ALREADY HAD an iPhone .
[ citation needed ] [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The vast majority of those who bought the iPhone 3GS ALREADY HAD an iPhone.
[citation needed] [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28448451</id>
	<title>The Pearl White Throne</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245771840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, you are gravely mistaken. From the Lexicanum:
Steve Jobs is confined within the Pearl White Throne, vast bio-mechanical machinery forming the great Sanctum Pommumnis, located deep within the continent-spanning complex in California known as the Cupertino Palace. There Steve Job's physical form is sustained by carefully-maintained machinery.

Physically, the enthroned Steve Jobs is a ravaged corpse. The last surviving cells in his shattered body are sustained by the Pearl White Throne, providing an anchor for his spirit, which extends across the entire Internet . While his body is sustained, his will endures.

His existence is said to be an unending torment, with his every thought enslaved to the task of ruling, guiding and protecting his release dates. Ultimately it is only his will to endure that allows him to survive, as he knows his death would lead to the destruction of the Apple Empire and leave mankind without the guidance it needs to survive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you are gravely mistaken .
From the Lexicanum : Steve Jobs is confined within the Pearl White Throne , vast bio-mechanical machinery forming the great Sanctum Pommumnis , located deep within the continent-spanning complex in California known as the Cupertino Palace .
There Steve Job 's physical form is sustained by carefully-maintained machinery .
Physically , the enthroned Steve Jobs is a ravaged corpse .
The last surviving cells in his shattered body are sustained by the Pearl White Throne , providing an anchor for his spirit , which extends across the entire Internet .
While his body is sustained , his will endures .
His existence is said to be an unending torment , with his every thought enslaved to the task of ruling , guiding and protecting his release dates .
Ultimately it is only his will to endure that allows him to survive , as he knows his death would lead to the destruction of the Apple Empire and leave mankind without the guidance it needs to survive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you are gravely mistaken.
From the Lexicanum:
Steve Jobs is confined within the Pearl White Throne, vast bio-mechanical machinery forming the great Sanctum Pommumnis, located deep within the continent-spanning complex in California known as the Cupertino Palace.
There Steve Job's physical form is sustained by carefully-maintained machinery.
Physically, the enthroned Steve Jobs is a ravaged corpse.
The last surviving cells in his shattered body are sustained by the Pearl White Throne, providing an anchor for his spirit, which extends across the entire Internet .
While his body is sustained, his will endures.
His existence is said to be an unending torment, with his every thought enslaved to the task of ruling, guiding and protecting his release dates.
Ultimately it is only his will to endure that allows him to survive, as he knows his death would lead to the destruction of the Apple Empire and leave mankind without the guidance it needs to survive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447257</id>
	<title>Re:The SEC may not be all that interested...</title>
	<author>Gary W. Longsine</author>
	<datestamp>1245760740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>He was on openly announced medical leave, and was plainly, visibly, quite ill.  The fact that he didn't send a bunch of bloggers and IT pundits a weekly email update on his health is, officially and in all probability, legally, of no consequence, due to his leave of absence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He was on openly announced medical leave , and was plainly , visibly , quite ill. The fact that he did n't send a bunch of bloggers and IT pundits a weekly email update on his health is , officially and in all probability , legally , of no consequence , due to his leave of absence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He was on openly announced medical leave, and was plainly, visibly, quite ill.  The fact that he didn't send a bunch of bloggers and IT pundits a weekly email update on his health is, officially and in all probability, legally, of no consequence, due to his leave of absence.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446031</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446657</id>
	<title>Re:Misleading Shareholders?</title>
	<author>LSDelirious</author>
	<datestamp>1245757380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>His liver was under a NDA</htmltext>
<tokenext>His liver was under a NDA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His liver was under a NDA</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28445943</id>
	<title>Avoid the Osborne Effect</title>
	<author>nweaver</author>
	<datestamp>1245754020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the things Apple learned well by observing others was the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne\_Effect" title="wikipedia.org">Osborne Effect</a> [wikipedia.org].  And its true: Would you buy a "new" iPhone if you were told a better one was 6 months away, and all the cool features it would have eventually?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the things Apple learned well by observing others was the Osborne Effect [ wikipedia.org ] .
And its true : Would you buy a " new " iPhone if you were told a better one was 6 months away , and all the cool features it would have eventually ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the things Apple learned well by observing others was the Osborne Effect [wikipedia.org].
And its true: Would you buy a "new" iPhone if you were told a better one was 6 months away, and all the cool features it would have eventually?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28449113</id>
	<title>Re:Parts: The Clonus Horror</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1245778920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rumor has it he is 99.999999\% empty space, is full of charged particles, some moving at relativistic speeds, and is largely comprised of matter from a ancient supernova. Clearly then, he can't be human.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rumor has it he is 99.999999 \ % empty space , is full of charged particles , some moving at relativistic speeds , and is largely comprised of matter from a ancient supernova .
Clearly then , he ca n't be human .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rumor has it he is 99.999999\% empty space, is full of charged particles, some moving at relativistic speeds, and is largely comprised of matter from a ancient supernova.
Clearly then, he can't be human.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28449669</id>
	<title>Re:isn't the SEC going to come down hard on apple?</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1245785280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So? If your shareholders base decisions on the health of your penis, doesn't make them entitled to be notified when you get a genital wart.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So ?
If your shareholders base decisions on the health of your penis , does n't make them entitled to be notified when you get a genital wart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So?
If your shareholders base decisions on the health of your penis, doesn't make them entitled to be notified when you get a genital wart.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446433</id>
	<title>Re:obsession of obsession</title>
	<author>mkiwi</author>
	<datestamp>1245756240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"I learned, from a trusted source, that Steve Jobs likes avocado."</p><p>In the beginning, it was my sig.  I have since removed it as some of the  newer slashdotters have thought it was a troll.<br>Its underlying meaning is all too relevant to this article, though- the obsession is not just with apple, but with Steve Jobs himself.  It's the tabloid mentality we live in today.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I learned , from a trusted source , that Steve Jobs likes avocado .
" In the beginning , it was my sig .
I have since removed it as some of the newer slashdotters have thought it was a troll.Its underlying meaning is all too relevant to this article , though- the obsession is not just with apple , but with Steve Jobs himself .
It 's the tabloid mentality we live in today .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I learned, from a trusted source, that Steve Jobs likes avocado.
"In the beginning, it was my sig.
I have since removed it as some of the  newer slashdotters have thought it was a troll.Its underlying meaning is all too relevant to this article, though- the obsession is not just with apple, but with Steve Jobs himself.
It's the tabloid mentality we live in today.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28447457</id>
	<title>nytimes blogsafe links</title>
	<author>Jeremy Erwin</author>
	<datestamp>1245762060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://nytimes.blogspace.com/genlink" title="blogspace.com">New York Times link generator</a> [blogspace.com]</p><p>For instance <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/technology/23apple.html?partner=rss&amp;emc=rss&amp;pagewanted=all" title="nytimes.com">Apple's Obsession With Secrecy Grows Stronger</a> [nytimes.com]</p><p>In this case, "?partner=rss&amp;emc=rss&amp;pagewanted=all" was appended, though at times, other magic keys have been required.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New York Times link generator [ blogspace.com ] For instance Apple 's Obsession With Secrecy Grows Stronger [ nytimes.com ] In this case , " ? partner = rss&amp;emc = rss&amp;pagewanted = all " was appended , though at times , other magic keys have been required .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New York Times link generator [blogspace.com]For instance Apple's Obsession With Secrecy Grows Stronger [nytimes.com]In this case, "?partner=rss&amp;emc=rss&amp;pagewanted=all" was appended, though at times, other magic keys have been required.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446601</id>
	<title>Re:Personal Life</title>
	<author>rtechie</author>
	<datestamp>1245757080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you're the CEO and public face of a major corporation your health is of great legitimate interest to shareholders, bondholders, and other interested parties as it can have a major affect on share price.</p><p>And Steve Jobs isn't just any CEO. He is associated more strongly with Apple than perhaps any CEO is associated with any large company in America. Apple has a history of being adrift without Steve Jobs at the helm.</p><p>It doesn't matter that Jobs doesn't run Apple day to day. In the stock market perception is EVERYTHING and if Steve Jobs dies the perception will be that Apple is once again rudderless and the stock price WILL plummet. In this weak economy that could very well mean the Apple.</p><p>So your core premise is wrong. If Jobs dies or steps down in the near future that could easily mean the end of Apple as we know it. It might not fold, but dramatic shrinkage (massive layoffs, etc.) is very likely.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you 're the CEO and public face of a major corporation your health is of great legitimate interest to shareholders , bondholders , and other interested parties as it can have a major affect on share price.And Steve Jobs is n't just any CEO .
He is associated more strongly with Apple than perhaps any CEO is associated with any large company in America .
Apple has a history of being adrift without Steve Jobs at the helm.It does n't matter that Jobs does n't run Apple day to day .
In the stock market perception is EVERYTHING and if Steve Jobs dies the perception will be that Apple is once again rudderless and the stock price WILL plummet .
In this weak economy that could very well mean the Apple.So your core premise is wrong .
If Jobs dies or steps down in the near future that could easily mean the end of Apple as we know it .
It might not fold , but dramatic shrinkage ( massive layoffs , etc .
) is very likely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you're the CEO and public face of a major corporation your health is of great legitimate interest to shareholders, bondholders, and other interested parties as it can have a major affect on share price.And Steve Jobs isn't just any CEO.
He is associated more strongly with Apple than perhaps any CEO is associated with any large company in America.
Apple has a history of being adrift without Steve Jobs at the helm.It doesn't matter that Jobs doesn't run Apple day to day.
In the stock market perception is EVERYTHING and if Steve Jobs dies the perception will be that Apple is once again rudderless and the stock price WILL plummet.
In this weak economy that could very well mean the Apple.So your core premise is wrong.
If Jobs dies or steps down in the near future that could easily mean the end of Apple as we know it.
It might not fold, but dramatic shrinkage (massive layoffs, etc.
) is very likely.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28446057</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28450951</id>
	<title>Obligatory Airplane Reference</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245847860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and Larry is getting laaaaarrrrrrger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and Larry is getting laaaaarrrrrrger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and Larry is getting laaaaarrrrrrger.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_205244.28451369</id>
	<title>Re:Personal Life</title>
	<author>gillbates</author>
	<datestamp>1245852120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I have no doubt that Apple will continue should Jobs leave.
</p><p>
The problem is that this has happened before, and the company tanked.  An Apple without Jobs is just another electronics company.
</p><p>
There is no shortage of visionaries in the world who could replace Jobs.  The problem, however, is that venture capitalists tend to be incapable of differentiating between someone with vision, purpose, and the pragmatism required to get things done, and the inevitable pie-in-the-sky salesman/dreamer who will only bankrupt the company with crazy, unworkable schemes.  Jobs is important because he's a known, good bet.  There's very little risk that he would bankrupt the company.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have no doubt that Apple will continue should Jobs leave .
The problem is that this has happened before , and the company tanked .
An Apple without Jobs is just another electronics company .
There is no shortage of visionaries in the world who could replace Jobs .
The problem , however , is that venture capitalists tend to be incapable of differentiating between someone with vision , purpose , and the pragmatism required to get things done , and the inevitable pie-in-the-sky salesman/dreamer who will only bankrupt the company with crazy , unworkable schemes .
Jobs is important because he 's a known , good bet .
There 's very little risk that he would bankrupt the company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I have no doubt that Apple will continue should Jobs leave.
The problem is that this has happened before, and the company tanked.
An Apple without Jobs is just another electronics company.
There is no shortage of visionaries in the world who could replace Jobs.
The problem, however, is that venture capitalists tend to be incapable of differentiating between someone with vision, purpose, and the pragmatism required to get things done, and the inevitable pie-in-the-sky salesman/dreamer who will only bankrupt the company with crazy, unworkable schemes.
Jobs is important because he's a known, good bet.
There's very little risk that he would bankrupt the company.
</sentencetext>
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