<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_23_1631231</id>
	<title>Could We Beam Broadband Internet Into Iran?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1245776100000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.nonprofittechblog.org/" rel="nofollow">abenamer</a> writes <i>"Some reporter at a recent White House press briefing just asked the White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, this question: Was 'the White House....considering <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/06/obama-and-iran-and-intelligence">beaming broad capability into Iran via satellite</a> so the opposition forces would be able to communicate with themselves and the outside world?' 'Gibbs said he didn't know such a thing was possible. (Is it?) But he said he would check on the technological feasibility and get back with an answer.' I'm not sure what the reporter meant by beaming broadband into Iran: Do they even have 3G? Would we bomb the Iranians with SIM cards that would allow them to get text messages from the VOA? Or somehow put up massive Wi-Fi transmitters from Iraq and beam it into Iran? How would you beam broadband into Iran?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>abenamer writes " Some reporter at a recent White House press briefing just asked the White House press secretary , Robert Gibbs , this question : Was 'the White House....considering beaming broad capability into Iran via satellite so the opposition forces would be able to communicate with themselves and the outside world ?
' 'Gibbs said he did n't know such a thing was possible .
( Is it ?
) But he said he would check on the technological feasibility and get back with an answer .
' I 'm not sure what the reporter meant by beaming broadband into Iran : Do they even have 3G ?
Would we bomb the Iranians with SIM cards that would allow them to get text messages from the VOA ?
Or somehow put up massive Wi-Fi transmitters from Iraq and beam it into Iran ?
How would you beam broadband into Iran ?
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<sentencetext>abenamer writes "Some reporter at a recent White House press briefing just asked the White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs, this question: Was 'the White House....considering beaming broad capability into Iran via satellite so the opposition forces would be able to communicate with themselves and the outside world?
' 'Gibbs said he didn't know such a thing was possible.
(Is it?
) But he said he would check on the technological feasibility and get back with an answer.
' I'm not sure what the reporter meant by beaming broadband into Iran: Do they even have 3G?
Would we bomb the Iranians with SIM cards that would allow them to get text messages from the VOA?
Or somehow put up massive Wi-Fi transmitters from Iraq and beam it into Iran?
How would you beam broadband into Iran?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28453931</id>
	<title>And Who The...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245864120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And who the fuck is going to pay for this idea of yours? I really can give a rat's ass about Iran at the moment, I have more pressing concerns closer to home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And who the fuck is going to pay for this idea of yours ?
I really can give a rat 's ass about Iran at the moment , I have more pressing concerns closer to home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And who the fuck is going to pay for this idea of yours?
I really can give a rat's ass about Iran at the moment, I have more pressing concerns closer to home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442249</id>
	<title>rewrite RFC 1149 for using camels</title>
	<author>marvinglenn</author>
	<datestamp>1245784260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A small modification to <a href="http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html" title="faqs.org">RFC 1149</a> [faqs.org] for using camels.  That should do it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A small modification to RFC 1149 [ faqs.org ] for using camels .
That should do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A small modification to RFC 1149 [faqs.org] for using camels.
That should do it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442235</id>
	<title>FUCK YEAH!!</title>
	<author>biscon</author>
	<datestamp>1245784200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Reading this thread I somehow got reminded of this:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdJRDpLHbw" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdJRDpLHbw</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>Once again America is trying to make the world a better place. It hasn't always worked out all that well for you.<br>One one hand: communication should be a basic human right, so what could probably go wrong?. On the other hand the Iraqis didn't much like Saddam, but many of them sure as hell didn't like it either when our tanks started patrolling their streets.<br>I'm comparing apples to oranges here and im only considering recent history. Just remember the world isn't black and white, but shades of grey.<br>Sure the Iranians seems pissed about the election fraud, but that doesn't guarantee they are ready for the "western world makeover" either (like the one you gave the Japanese).<br>Perhaps they really do prefer living in a barbaric society with laws based on religion, made up by some batshit insane clergy. Perhaps they just want their vote to count.<br>Personally I think helping them out with communication sounds like a great idea (not considering whether its technically possible or not). Just a word of warning from a smug european<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reading this thread I somehow got reminded of this : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = YZdJRDpLHbw [ youtube.com ] Once again America is trying to make the world a better place .
It has n't always worked out all that well for you.One one hand : communication should be a basic human right , so what could probably go wrong ? .
On the other hand the Iraqis did n't much like Saddam , but many of them sure as hell did n't like it either when our tanks started patrolling their streets.I 'm comparing apples to oranges here and im only considering recent history .
Just remember the world is n't black and white , but shades of grey.Sure the Iranians seems pissed about the election fraud , but that does n't guarantee they are ready for the " western world makeover " either ( like the one you gave the Japanese ) .Perhaps they really do prefer living in a barbaric society with laws based on religion , made up by some batshit insane clergy .
Perhaps they just want their vote to count.Personally I think helping them out with communication sounds like a great idea ( not considering whether its technically possible or not ) .
Just a word of warning from a smug european ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reading this thread I somehow got reminded of this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZdJRDpLHbw [youtube.com]Once again America is trying to make the world a better place.
It hasn't always worked out all that well for you.One one hand: communication should be a basic human right, so what could probably go wrong?.
On the other hand the Iraqis didn't much like Saddam, but many of them sure as hell didn't like it either when our tanks started patrolling their streets.I'm comparing apples to oranges here and im only considering recent history.
Just remember the world isn't black and white, but shades of grey.Sure the Iranians seems pissed about the election fraud, but that doesn't guarantee they are ready for the "western world makeover" either (like the one you gave the Japanese).Perhaps they really do prefer living in a barbaric society with laws based on religion, made up by some batshit insane clergy.
Perhaps they just want their vote to count.Personally I think helping them out with communication sounds like a great idea (not considering whether its technically possible or not).
Just a word of warning from a smug european ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28449583</id>
	<title>Re:DVB-S2/RCS or BGAN</title>
	<author>filmotheklown</author>
	<datestamp>1245784320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BGANs ROCK! It's a total geek mobility device. I was able to take an extended vacation to some very remote parts of Laos while still being able to check in on our servers and IT stuff. (We're a super small company, so I'm the IT guy even while on vacation.)</p><p>Any case, the BGAN is really small and also doubles as a satellite phone. I think phone service was like 0.75 or 1.00 per minute which was totally reasonable. Data rate was per MB and they also offer a 32, 64, and 128kbit streaming connection. I didn't use the streaming as it was more expensive than the packet rate data and I didn't have any need, but it's there if you need it.</p><p>As there are only a couple of satellites servicing the BGAN, I highly recommend you take a compass with you as you will need to point it in both the right direction and at the right amount of tilt to get a signal. It's fairly sensitive, so the compass helps you get it pointed in the right direction within a couple of degrees. Once you're in the ball park, a rising and falling tone will help you train in on the signal. It takes less than a minute to lock once you initiate a connection. Depending on how far you need to tilt down towards the horizon will determine how much 'clearing' you'll need to be in to get a signal. It works best in places you're least likely to have other sources of internet. When I tested in in Los Angeles prior to leaving, I pretty much had to point it the horizon towards South America. If you're near the equator, you'll more or less be pointing it straight up.</p><p>The one 'gotcha' that almost freaked me out is that when you move to different satellite zones, it takes A LONG TIME for it to initially acquire the new satellite the first time. The terminal uses GPS to determine what part of the world it's in and it's not super fast at determining this. I actually thought the damn thing was broken initially before I sat on the beach and RTFM. It was trying to connect to the satellite over South America instead of the one over South East Asia.  Expect to take like 20 to 30 minutes if you change zones before you can 'lock' the new satellite. The fewer GPS satellites covering your area, the longer it takes to figure out where it is. Once that's set though, assuming you don't move more than something like 400 miles away from the new location, you don't have to 'reset'; and the connection to the satellite can be acquired quite quickly on subsequent uplinks.</p><p>Since I was using it primarily to check email and shell into servers, I was able to keep my Bandwidth charges down. If you start downloading the NY Times home page every time you log in, expect a hefty bandwidth charge when you get back. The BGAN software provides a handy usage gauge, so you'll have nobody but yourself to blame if you start going crazy on the bandwidth.</p><p>Overall, highly recommended!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BGANs ROCK !
It 's a total geek mobility device .
I was able to take an extended vacation to some very remote parts of Laos while still being able to check in on our servers and IT stuff .
( We 're a super small company , so I 'm the IT guy even while on vacation .
) Any case , the BGAN is really small and also doubles as a satellite phone .
I think phone service was like 0.75 or 1.00 per minute which was totally reasonable .
Data rate was per MB and they also offer a 32 , 64 , and 128kbit streaming connection .
I did n't use the streaming as it was more expensive than the packet rate data and I did n't have any need , but it 's there if you need it.As there are only a couple of satellites servicing the BGAN , I highly recommend you take a compass with you as you will need to point it in both the right direction and at the right amount of tilt to get a signal .
It 's fairly sensitive , so the compass helps you get it pointed in the right direction within a couple of degrees .
Once you 're in the ball park , a rising and falling tone will help you train in on the signal .
It takes less than a minute to lock once you initiate a connection .
Depending on how far you need to tilt down towards the horizon will determine how much 'clearing ' you 'll need to be in to get a signal .
It works best in places you 're least likely to have other sources of internet .
When I tested in in Los Angeles prior to leaving , I pretty much had to point it the horizon towards South America .
If you 're near the equator , you 'll more or less be pointing it straight up.The one 'gotcha ' that almost freaked me out is that when you move to different satellite zones , it takes A LONG TIME for it to initially acquire the new satellite the first time .
The terminal uses GPS to determine what part of the world it 's in and it 's not super fast at determining this .
I actually thought the damn thing was broken initially before I sat on the beach and RTFM .
It was trying to connect to the satellite over South America instead of the one over South East Asia .
Expect to take like 20 to 30 minutes if you change zones before you can 'lock ' the new satellite .
The fewer GPS satellites covering your area , the longer it takes to figure out where it is .
Once that 's set though , assuming you do n't move more than something like 400 miles away from the new location , you do n't have to 'reset ' ; and the connection to the satellite can be acquired quite quickly on subsequent uplinks.Since I was using it primarily to check email and shell into servers , I was able to keep my Bandwidth charges down .
If you start downloading the NY Times home page every time you log in , expect a hefty bandwidth charge when you get back .
The BGAN software provides a handy usage gauge , so you 'll have nobody but yourself to blame if you start going crazy on the bandwidth.Overall , highly recommended !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BGANs ROCK!
It's a total geek mobility device.
I was able to take an extended vacation to some very remote parts of Laos while still being able to check in on our servers and IT stuff.
(We're a super small company, so I'm the IT guy even while on vacation.
)Any case, the BGAN is really small and also doubles as a satellite phone.
I think phone service was like 0.75 or 1.00 per minute which was totally reasonable.
Data rate was per MB and they also offer a 32, 64, and 128kbit streaming connection.
I didn't use the streaming as it was more expensive than the packet rate data and I didn't have any need, but it's there if you need it.As there are only a couple of satellites servicing the BGAN, I highly recommend you take a compass with you as you will need to point it in both the right direction and at the right amount of tilt to get a signal.
It's fairly sensitive, so the compass helps you get it pointed in the right direction within a couple of degrees.
Once you're in the ball park, a rising and falling tone will help you train in on the signal.
It takes less than a minute to lock once you initiate a connection.
Depending on how far you need to tilt down towards the horizon will determine how much 'clearing' you'll need to be in to get a signal.
It works best in places you're least likely to have other sources of internet.
When I tested in in Los Angeles prior to leaving, I pretty much had to point it the horizon towards South America.
If you're near the equator, you'll more or less be pointing it straight up.The one 'gotcha' that almost freaked me out is that when you move to different satellite zones, it takes A LONG TIME for it to initially acquire the new satellite the first time.
The terminal uses GPS to determine what part of the world it's in and it's not super fast at determining this.
I actually thought the damn thing was broken initially before I sat on the beach and RTFM.
It was trying to connect to the satellite over South America instead of the one over South East Asia.
Expect to take like 20 to 30 minutes if you change zones before you can 'lock' the new satellite.
The fewer GPS satellites covering your area, the longer it takes to figure out where it is.
Once that's set though, assuming you don't move more than something like 400 miles away from the new location, you don't have to 'reset'; and the connection to the satellite can be acquired quite quickly on subsequent uplinks.Since I was using it primarily to check email and shell into servers, I was able to keep my Bandwidth charges down.
If you start downloading the NY Times home page every time you log in, expect a hefty bandwidth charge when you get back.
The BGAN software provides a handy usage gauge, so you'll have nobody but yourself to blame if you start going crazy on the bandwidth.Overall, highly recommended!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28446831</id>
	<title>Do as I say... not as I do</title>
	<author>String Theory</author>
	<datestamp>1245758280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's sickening to hear the talking heads insist we must speak out over this crooked election.</p><p>Like they all did in 2000, huh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's sickening to hear the talking heads insist we must speak out over this crooked election.Like they all did in 2000 , huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's sickening to hear the talking heads insist we must speak out over this crooked election.Like they all did in 2000, huh?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441687</id>
	<title>If we did, they'd just...</title>
	<author>afabbro</author>
	<datestamp>1245782460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...use it for porn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...use it for porn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...use it for porn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442977</id>
	<title>Re:Google it</title>
	<author>Nethemas the Great</author>
	<datestamp>1245786780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I am recalling correctly, the US armed services in Iraq and Afghanistan are contracting with Hughes Satellite Systems.  They are almost certainly using their ordinary off the shelf commercial 2 watt transmitter and requisite dish.  It would be highly unlikely that the satellite footprint is not covering Iran.</p><p>If one were to research the providers listed from that aforementioned Google search they'd likely find that most, and probably all of them are just resellers for Hughes.</p><p>In short, we're <b>already "beaming"</b> them Internet.  It's probably one the conduits the "citizen journalists" are using to get what they are out of the country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I am recalling correctly , the US armed services in Iraq and Afghanistan are contracting with Hughes Satellite Systems .
They are almost certainly using their ordinary off the shelf commercial 2 watt transmitter and requisite dish .
It would be highly unlikely that the satellite footprint is not covering Iran.If one were to research the providers listed from that aforementioned Google search they 'd likely find that most , and probably all of them are just resellers for Hughes.In short , we 're already " beaming " them Internet .
It 's probably one the conduits the " citizen journalists " are using to get what they are out of the country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I am recalling correctly, the US armed services in Iraq and Afghanistan are contracting with Hughes Satellite Systems.
They are almost certainly using their ordinary off the shelf commercial 2 watt transmitter and requisite dish.
It would be highly unlikely that the satellite footprint is not covering Iran.If one were to research the providers listed from that aforementioned Google search they'd likely find that most, and probably all of them are just resellers for Hughes.In short, we're already "beaming" them Internet.
It's probably one the conduits the "citizen journalists" are using to get what they are out of the country.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441439</id>
	<title>Re:Get a pringles can and go to Iraq</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was my first thought too: just find a building that's relatively secure (any will do, just needs to be tall for line-of-sight purposes), put a (very?) high-gain directional antenna on it and link it to a base station in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Kuwait. You could do the satellite way, but it's likely to be a hell of a lot more expensive, and you can't break it down and hide it in the case of an emergency evacuation, etc.
<br> <br>
Might not be broadband, but it's the best you're going to do on such a short notice. Besides, Twitter messages are only 140 bytes. It's not like you have to send them over the cellular network where that would cost <a href="http://www.physorg.com/news129793047.html" title="physorg.com">approximately a trillion dollars</a> [physorg.com]...</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was my first thought too : just find a building that 's relatively secure ( any will do , just needs to be tall for line-of-sight purposes ) , put a ( very ?
) high-gain directional antenna on it and link it to a base station in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Kuwait .
You could do the satellite way , but it 's likely to be a hell of a lot more expensive , and you ca n't break it down and hide it in the case of an emergency evacuation , etc .
Might not be broadband , but it 's the best you 're going to do on such a short notice .
Besides , Twitter messages are only 140 bytes .
It 's not like you have to send them over the cellular network where that would cost approximately a trillion dollars [ physorg.com ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was my first thought too: just find a building that's relatively secure (any will do, just needs to be tall for line-of-sight purposes), put a (very?
) high-gain directional antenna on it and link it to a base station in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Kuwait.
You could do the satellite way, but it's likely to be a hell of a lot more expensive, and you can't break it down and hide it in the case of an emergency evacuation, etc.
Might not be broadband, but it's the best you're going to do on such a short notice.
Besides, Twitter messages are only 140 bytes.
It's not like you have to send them over the cellular network where that would cost approximately a trillion dollars [physorg.com]...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441425</id>
	<title>We could fox them!</title>
	<author>jerhurwitz</author>
	<datestamp>1245781620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ahchoo: Blinkin - what's the fastest way to reach the villagers?
Blinkin: Why don't we fox them?
Ahchoo: Fox them!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahchoo : Blinkin - what 's the fastest way to reach the villagers ?
Blinkin : Why do n't we fox them ?
Ahchoo : Fox them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahchoo: Blinkin - what's the fastest way to reach the villagers?
Blinkin: Why don't we fox them?
Ahchoo: Fox them!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441505</id>
	<title>US Navy cell-site ship would be very handy....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My wife and I were discussing something like this over the weekend: A US Navy ship could have standard GSM cell tower equipment, with much higher gain antennas. If the Iranian's cell phones were being shut off, then the Navy ship cranks up the power and allows cell phones to contact via the ship-based cell site.</p><p>With our technical assets, why are we NOT doing this right now???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My wife and I were discussing something like this over the weekend : A US Navy ship could have standard GSM cell tower equipment , with much higher gain antennas .
If the Iranian 's cell phones were being shut off , then the Navy ship cranks up the power and allows cell phones to contact via the ship-based cell site.With our technical assets , why are we NOT doing this right now ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My wife and I were discussing something like this over the weekend: A US Navy ship could have standard GSM cell tower equipment, with much higher gain antennas.
If the Iranian's cell phones were being shut off, then the Navy ship cranks up the power and allows cell phones to contact via the ship-based cell site.With our technical assets, why are we NOT doing this right now??
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444561</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245748980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442255</id>
	<title>Re:Don't do anything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245784260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are human garbage, and even that is far more response than you merit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are human garbage , and even that is far more response than you merit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are human garbage, and even that is far more response than you merit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441175</id>
	<title>Soup cans and string</title>
	<author>EmmDashNine</author>
	<datestamp>1245780600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
The majority of the country lives in mud huts with goats in their yards and are lucky to have elelectricity for even part day if at all.  Those that happen to live in the city are a little luckier in that they have a few more  amenities- possibly a phone, and even fewer a computer.  What use is setting up an infrastructure if the population is unable to use it?  Are we going to air-drop netbooks?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The majority of the country lives in mud huts with goats in their yards and are lucky to have elelectricity for even part day if at all .
Those that happen to live in the city are a little luckier in that they have a few more amenities- possibly a phone , and even fewer a computer .
What use is setting up an infrastructure if the population is unable to use it ?
Are we going to air-drop netbooks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The majority of the country lives in mud huts with goats in their yards and are lucky to have elelectricity for even part day if at all.
Those that happen to live in the city are a little luckier in that they have a few more  amenities- possibly a phone, and even fewer a computer.
What use is setting up an infrastructure if the population is unable to use it?
Are we going to air-drop netbooks?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28448981</id>
	<title>Re:DVB-S2/RCS or BGAN</title>
	<author>Dyne09</author>
	<datestamp>1245777060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>VSAT and BGAN were my first thoughts as well.  Data is already being "beamed" into Iran, and has been for the past 10 years.  I wouldn't really suggest using a VSAT though.  It's not like they are easy to conceal nor can they be broken down quickly.  BGANs are much more mobile and easy to hide.  Again, I don't know of many Iranians who could afford such a service, but it's not like many Iranians would have the connections or the know-how to smuggle in a huge satellite dish and set it up themselves anyways.</htmltext>
<tokenext>VSAT and BGAN were my first thoughts as well .
Data is already being " beamed " into Iran , and has been for the past 10 years .
I would n't really suggest using a VSAT though .
It 's not like they are easy to conceal nor can they be broken down quickly .
BGANs are much more mobile and easy to hide .
Again , I do n't know of many Iranians who could afford such a service , but it 's not like many Iranians would have the connections or the know-how to smuggle in a huge satellite dish and set it up themselves anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VSAT and BGAN were my first thoughts as well.
Data is already being "beamed" into Iran, and has been for the past 10 years.
I wouldn't really suggest using a VSAT though.
It's not like they are easy to conceal nor can they be broken down quickly.
BGANs are much more mobile and easy to hide.
Again, I don't know of many Iranians who could afford such a service, but it's not like many Iranians would have the connections or the know-how to smuggle in a huge satellite dish and set it up themselves anyways.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441333</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28446965</id>
	<title>CNN is slow. Anonymous fixed this problem days ago</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245759000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://iansbrain.com/2009/06/18/anonymous-launches-first-satellite/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //iansbrain.com/2009/06/18/anonymous-launches-first-satellite/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://iansbrain.com/2009/06/18/anonymous-launches-first-satellite/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28445327</id>
	<title>Re:An extention of the Sharks with Lasers Idea...</title>
	<author>RobBebop</author>
	<datestamp>1245751620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Camels with Wifi!</p></div><p>You joke, but Wifi Enabled Cows was one of my best drunken epiphanies for setting up ubiquitous broadband in Vermont.  </p><p>Solar (or bio) power + access point = statewide coverage!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Camels with Wifi ! You joke , but Wifi Enabled Cows was one of my best drunken epiphanies for setting up ubiquitous broadband in Vermont .
Solar ( or bio ) power + access point = statewide coverage !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Camels with Wifi!You joke, but Wifi Enabled Cows was one of my best drunken epiphanies for setting up ubiquitous broadband in Vermont.
Solar (or bio) power + access point = statewide coverage!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440969</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28446683</id>
	<title>Re:Google it</title>
	<author>gpowers</author>
	<datestamp>1245757440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Internet access over a "Satellite Phone?" Are you serious? I mean, have you actually tried to do this? Or, have you tried to ship a satellite dish into the middle east?</p><p>Commercial satellite operators can only offer service in countries they have a license to do so. Keeping that license often means acquiescing to the government of the day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Internet access over a " Satellite Phone ?
" Are you serious ?
I mean , have you actually tried to do this ?
Or , have you tried to ship a satellite dish into the middle east ? Commercial satellite operators can only offer service in countries they have a license to do so .
Keeping that license often means acquiescing to the government of the day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Internet access over a "Satellite Phone?
" Are you serious?
I mean, have you actually tried to do this?
Or, have you tried to ship a satellite dish into the middle east?Commercial satellite operators can only offer service in countries they have a license to do so.
Keeping that license often means acquiescing to the government of the day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441173</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440975</id>
	<title>Get a pringles can and go to Iraq</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245779880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why not set up 802.11 in east Iraq?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not set up 802.11 in east Iraq ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not set up 802.11 in east Iraq?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28468681</id>
	<title>Missing the forest for the trees</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245954360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>     Perspective on how relevant this "revolution" is to many Iranians: http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090622\_iranian\_election\_and\_revolution\_test<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Analysts at Stratfor, a well-respected geopolitical intelligence company, believe that the media have over-covered a small segment of the population interested in regime change.  They assert that Ahmadinejad remains popular with a majority of Iranians and in their article they give 3 justifications (See "Ahmadinejad's Popularity" within the Stratfor article).  Stratfor also describes, rather concisely, why our perceptions are distorted:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "...And these people [those accessible to English-speaking journalists] give Westerners a wildly distorted view of Iran. They can create the impression that a fantastic liberalization is at hand -- but not when you realize that iPod-owning Anglophones are not exactly the majority in Iran.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "Last Friday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was re-elected with about two-thirds of the vote. Supporters of his opponent, both inside and outside Iran, were stunned. A poll revealed that former Iranian Prime Minister Mir Hossein Mousavi was beating Ahmadinejad. It is, of course, interesting to meditate on how you could conduct a poll in a country where phones are not universal, and making a call once you have found a phone can be a trial. A poll therefore would probably reach people who had phones and lived in Tehran and other urban areas. Among those, Mousavi probably did win. But outside Tehran, and beyond persons easy to poll, the numbers turned out quite different."<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I am not suggesting that I agree with Ahmadinejad's policies or global intent; I am just suggesting that our (the Western world's) response to the election situation in Iran is perhaps wrong.  I wanted to make this idea available to the well-equipped minds of Slashdot readers-- maybe the question isn't just "How can we beam Internet into Iran right now?" but "How can we help technology to reach and positively influence a majority of Iranians in the future?"<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -Sam<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; sam at screpair d0t com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perspective on how relevant this " revolution " is to many Iranians : http : //www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090622 \ _iranian \ _election \ _and \ _revolution \ _test           Analysts at Stratfor , a well-respected geopolitical intelligence company , believe that the media have over-covered a small segment of the population interested in regime change .
They assert that Ahmadinejad remains popular with a majority of Iranians and in their article they give 3 justifications ( See " Ahmadinejad 's Popularity " within the Stratfor article ) .
Stratfor also describes , rather concisely , why our perceptions are distorted :           " ...And these people [ those accessible to English-speaking journalists ] give Westerners a wildly distorted view of Iran .
They can create the impression that a fantastic liberalization is at hand -- but not when you realize that iPod-owning Anglophones are not exactly the majority in Iran .
          " Last Friday , Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was re-elected with about two-thirds of the vote .
Supporters of his opponent , both inside and outside Iran , were stunned .
A poll revealed that former Iranian Prime Minister Mir Hossein Mousavi was beating Ahmadinejad .
It is , of course , interesting to meditate on how you could conduct a poll in a country where phones are not universal , and making a call once you have found a phone can be a trial .
A poll therefore would probably reach people who had phones and lived in Tehran and other urban areas .
Among those , Mousavi probably did win .
But outside Tehran , and beyond persons easy to poll , the numbers turned out quite different .
"           I am not suggesting that I agree with Ahmadinejad 's policies or global intent ; I am just suggesting that our ( the Western world 's ) response to the election situation in Iran is perhaps wrong .
I wanted to make this idea available to the well-equipped minds of Slashdot readers-- maybe the question is n't just " How can we beam Internet into Iran right now ?
" but " How can we help technology to reach and positively influence a majority of Iranians in the future ?
"           -Sam           sam at screpair d0t com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     Perspective on how relevant this "revolution" is to many Iranians: http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090622\_iranian\_election\_and\_revolution\_test
          Analysts at Stratfor, a well-respected geopolitical intelligence company, believe that the media have over-covered a small segment of the population interested in regime change.
They assert that Ahmadinejad remains popular with a majority of Iranians and in their article they give 3 justifications (See "Ahmadinejad's Popularity" within the Stratfor article).
Stratfor also describes, rather concisely, why our perceptions are distorted:
          "...And these people [those accessible to English-speaking journalists] give Westerners a wildly distorted view of Iran.
They can create the impression that a fantastic liberalization is at hand -- but not when you realize that iPod-owning Anglophones are not exactly the majority in Iran.
          "Last Friday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was re-elected with about two-thirds of the vote.
Supporters of his opponent, both inside and outside Iran, were stunned.
A poll revealed that former Iranian Prime Minister Mir Hossein Mousavi was beating Ahmadinejad.
It is, of course, interesting to meditate on how you could conduct a poll in a country where phones are not universal, and making a call once you have found a phone can be a trial.
A poll therefore would probably reach people who had phones and lived in Tehran and other urban areas.
Among those, Mousavi probably did win.
But outside Tehran, and beyond persons easy to poll, the numbers turned out quite different.
"
          I am not suggesting that I agree with Ahmadinejad's policies or global intent; I am just suggesting that our (the Western world's) response to the election situation in Iran is perhaps wrong.
I wanted to make this idea available to the well-equipped minds of Slashdot readers-- maybe the question isn't just "How can we beam Internet into Iran right now?
" but "How can we help technology to reach and positively influence a majority of Iranians in the future?
"
          -Sam
          sam at screpair d0t com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441559</id>
	<title>Re:ham radio</title>
	<author>grikdog</author>
	<datestamp>1245782040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Considering what Iranians have managed to accomplish with Bluetooth, why step back into the dark ages of 1950's single sideband?  I can just imagine it &mdash; a Morse code rendition of ASCII Art of Neda Agha-Soltan drawing her last breath in defiance of the Ayatollahs.

Duh, people.  Iran is already technologically sophisticated.  They don't need us, except as witnesses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering what Iranians have managed to accomplish with Bluetooth , why step back into the dark ages of 1950 's single sideband ?
I can just imagine it    a Morse code rendition of ASCII Art of Neda Agha-Soltan drawing her last breath in defiance of the Ayatollahs .
Duh , people .
Iran is already technologically sophisticated .
They do n't need us , except as witnesses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering what Iranians have managed to accomplish with Bluetooth, why step back into the dark ages of 1950's single sideband?
I can just imagine it — a Morse code rendition of ASCII Art of Neda Agha-Soltan drawing her last breath in defiance of the Ayatollahs.
Duh, people.
Iran is already technologically sophisticated.
They don't need us, except as witnesses.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441215</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444973</id>
	<title>Better aims</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245750360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just aim the laser beams to those few people harassing the Iranian people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just aim the laser beams to those few people harassing the Iranian people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just aim the laser beams to those few people harassing the Iranian people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440985</id>
	<title>Satellite tech.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245779940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Low orbit satellites with directional antennas and GSM network would probably work. Not too different from Iridium.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Low orbit satellites with directional antennas and GSM network would probably work .
Not too different from Iridium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Low orbit satellites with directional antennas and GSM network would probably work.
Not too different from Iridium.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441633</id>
	<title>obvious application for the Digital Donkey</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245782280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne\_0x3a\_\_The\_Digital\_Donkey.aspx</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne \ _0x3a \ _ \ _The \ _Digital \ _Donkey.aspx</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne\_0x3a\_\_The\_Digital\_Donkey.aspx</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444917</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245750180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good to see others of us here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good to see others of us here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good to see others of us here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441479</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28450193</id>
	<title>Re:ham radio</title>
	<author>JumperCable</author>
	<datestamp>1245834900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ham Radio was banned a long time ago (hard for the state to control communication).  Only a handful of people there have licenses &amp; equipment to broadcast.
<br> <br>
Plus tracking down a radio broadcaster is not that hard anymore.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ham Radio was banned a long time ago ( hard for the state to control communication ) .
Only a handful of people there have licenses &amp; equipment to broadcast .
Plus tracking down a radio broadcaster is not that hard anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ham Radio was banned a long time ago (hard for the state to control communication).
Only a handful of people there have licenses &amp; equipment to broadcast.
Plus tracking down a radio broadcaster is not that hard anymore.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441215</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28451223</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245851040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record!</i></p><p>That's dumb. And undemocratic. Yer doin it wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record ! That 's dumb .
And undemocratic .
Yer doin it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record!That's dumb.
And undemocratic.
Yer doin it wrong.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442337</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442451</id>
	<title>News of mass destruction...</title>
	<author>SebaSOFT</author>
	<datestamp>1245784860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you talk of beaming Iran, or "bombing" Iran with SIM cards?<br>Can't you just handle the SIM cards gently?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you talk of beaming Iran , or " bombing " Iran with SIM cards ? Ca n't you just handle the SIM cards gently ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you talk of beaming Iran, or "bombing" Iran with SIM cards?Can't you just handle the SIM cards gently?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28446927</id>
	<title>Re:Don't do anything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245758760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The British don't have much to talk about, considering they've historically done most of the oppressing (even if it was enlightened!), but as an American I'm fairly thankful the French decided to throw their lot in with us.</p><p>As a counter-argument though, shouldn't it matter equally that people are being oppressed, regardless of their nationality?<br>Is my being American and their being Iranian more important than our similar (way out on a limb here ascribing motive) beliefs in equal and inalienable rights?</p><p>Your original argument is kind of like the Black Panthers arguing that whites had no place in the racial struggle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The British do n't have much to talk about , considering they 've historically done most of the oppressing ( even if it was enlightened !
) , but as an American I 'm fairly thankful the French decided to throw their lot in with us.As a counter-argument though , should n't it matter equally that people are being oppressed , regardless of their nationality ? Is my being American and their being Iranian more important than our similar ( way out on a limb here ascribing motive ) beliefs in equal and inalienable rights ? Your original argument is kind of like the Black Panthers arguing that whites had no place in the racial struggle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The British don't have much to talk about, considering they've historically done most of the oppressing (even if it was enlightened!
), but as an American I'm fairly thankful the French decided to throw their lot in with us.As a counter-argument though, shouldn't it matter equally that people are being oppressed, regardless of their nationality?Is my being American and their being Iranian more important than our similar (way out on a limb here ascribing motive) beliefs in equal and inalienable rights?Your original argument is kind of like the Black Panthers arguing that whites had no place in the racial struggle.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442193</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441383</id>
	<title>Indirect evidence</title>
	<author>moon3</author>
	<datestamp>1245781440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they planned for this big firewall operation, I have no doubt they also rigged the election. Having the landslide victory why fear the recount ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they planned for this big firewall operation , I have no doubt they also rigged the election .
Having the landslide victory why fear the recount ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they planned for this big firewall operation, I have no doubt they also rigged the election.
Having the landslide victory why fear the recount ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443339</id>
	<title>Re:DVB-S2/RCS or BGAN</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245788040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Connect this equipment to an open WiFi unit and you could serve potentially thousands of people.<br>Or, some kind of mobile GSM transmitter, like used at sporting or media events, but configured to accept subscriptionless connections.</p><p>You will not be able to serve the entire country, but really, you could serve a wide chunks of Tehran, which is where all the news is coming from anyway.</p><p>Presumably, an on-the-ground network of old-fashioned people and word of mouth could continue the information networking to other groups in the city, even if only a few free, wireless geographic info-portals existed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Connect this equipment to an open WiFi unit and you could serve potentially thousands of people.Or , some kind of mobile GSM transmitter , like used at sporting or media events , but configured to accept subscriptionless connections.You will not be able to serve the entire country , but really , you could serve a wide chunks of Tehran , which is where all the news is coming from anyway.Presumably , an on-the-ground network of old-fashioned people and word of mouth could continue the information networking to other groups in the city , even if only a few free , wireless geographic info-portals existed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Connect this equipment to an open WiFi unit and you could serve potentially thousands of people.Or, some kind of mobile GSM transmitter, like used at sporting or media events, but configured to accept subscriptionless connections.You will not be able to serve the entire country, but really, you could serve a wide chunks of Tehran, which is where all the news is coming from anyway.Presumably, an on-the-ground network of old-fashioned people and word of mouth could continue the information networking to other groups in the city, even if only a few free, wireless geographic info-portals existed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441333</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441563</id>
	<title>hey</title>
	<author>Sam36</author>
	<datestamp>1245782100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if the republicans can't have iraq then the the democrats can't have iran.</htmltext>
<tokenext>if the republicans ca n't have iraq then the the democrats ca n't have iran .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if the republicans can't have iraq then the the democrats can't have iran.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441859</id>
	<title>Re:Get a pringles can and go to Iraq</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Strap some mobile internet satellites and extended range APs onto some predators... just don't expect it to work. I'm no freakin' engineer. Physics be damned.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Strap some mobile internet satellites and extended range APs onto some predators... just do n't expect it to work .
I 'm no freakin ' engineer .
Physics be damned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strap some mobile internet satellites and extended range APs onto some predators... just don't expect it to work.
I'm no freakin' engineer.
Physics be damned.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440975</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28446677</id>
	<title>Re:Satellite Internet exists</title>
	<author>secretplans</author>
	<datestamp>1245757440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty certain the Wildblue FAP would get in the way.</p><p>"Death to the dic..."</p><p>"We're sorry but you've used too much internet this month. Please continue your revolution when you have returned your rolling usage to 80 percent."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty certain the Wildblue FAP would get in the way .
" Death to the dic... " " We 're sorry but you 've used too much internet this month .
Please continue your revolution when you have returned your rolling usage to 80 percent .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty certain the Wildblue FAP would get in the way.
"Death to the dic...""We're sorry but you've used too much internet this month.
Please continue your revolution when you have returned your rolling usage to 80 percent.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441161</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442419</id>
	<title>Satellite internet is available</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245784800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>INMARSAT, THURAYA, IRIDIUM, etc... these are the most common satellite coms available in the middle east, and the most widely used. They are expensive, and are mostly used in maritime shipping but there's nothing Iran could do to stop someone from "obtaining" this equipment and getting on the signal. There's no way they can jam the entire country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>INMARSAT , THURAYA , IRIDIUM , etc... these are the most common satellite coms available in the middle east , and the most widely used .
They are expensive , and are mostly used in maritime shipping but there 's nothing Iran could do to stop someone from " obtaining " this equipment and getting on the signal .
There 's no way they can jam the entire country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>INMARSAT, THURAYA, IRIDIUM, etc... these are the most common satellite coms available in the middle east, and the most widely used.
They are expensive, and are mostly used in maritime shipping but there's nothing Iran could do to stop someone from "obtaining" this equipment and getting on the signal.
There's no way they can jam the entire country.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441483</id>
	<title>Internet, no. But maybe more satellite TV.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The US is <a href="http://ibb7-2.ibb.gov/tvschedule/getlisting.cfm" title="ibb.gov">currently sending out satellite TV news in Persian 24 hours a day.</a> [ibb.gov] It's on Telstar 12; the eastern edge of coverage is near the Iran-Pakistan border, and the whole EU is covered.  Someone please take a look and see what they're sending. The IBB doesn't seem to have the transponder number, symbol rate, or frequency on their site, which is lame.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US is currently sending out satellite TV news in Persian 24 hours a day .
[ ibb.gov ] It 's on Telstar 12 ; the eastern edge of coverage is near the Iran-Pakistan border , and the whole EU is covered .
Someone please take a look and see what they 're sending .
The IBB does n't seem to have the transponder number , symbol rate , or frequency on their site , which is lame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The US is currently sending out satellite TV news in Persian 24 hours a day.
[ibb.gov] It's on Telstar 12; the eastern edge of coverage is near the Iran-Pakistan border, and the whole EU is covered.
Someone please take a look and see what they're sending.
The IBB doesn't seem to have the transponder number, symbol rate, or frequency on their site, which is lame.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440957</id>
	<title>Ummm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245779820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could they beam broadband into New York City first? Thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could they beam broadband into New York City first ?
Thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could they beam broadband into New York City first?
Thanks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442221</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>afxgrin</author>
	<datestamp>1245784140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A group of - knowledgeable - independent individuals - should attempt to render the monitoring system useless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A group of - knowledgeable - independent individuals - should attempt to render the monitoring system useless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A group of - knowledgeable - independent individuals - should attempt to render the monitoring system useless.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441027</id>
	<title>Re:Ummm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245780120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.earthlink.net/access/satellite.faces" title="earthlink.net"> Done </a> [earthlink.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Done [ earthlink.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Done  [earthlink.net]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440971</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442245</id>
	<title>Re:Don't do anything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245784200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Frankly I'm sure glad that France meddled in our/Britain's affairs 200 some odd years ago. I'll also bet that most of Europe is glad we meddled in theirs some 70 years ago. There is no general rule of thumb here and trying to apply one to every conflict is not the right answer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Frankly I 'm sure glad that France meddled in our/Britain 's affairs 200 some odd years ago .
I 'll also bet that most of Europe is glad we meddled in theirs some 70 years ago .
There is no general rule of thumb here and trying to apply one to every conflict is not the right answer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frankly I'm sure glad that France meddled in our/Britain's affairs 200 some odd years ago.
I'll also bet that most of Europe is glad we meddled in theirs some 70 years ago.
There is no general rule of thumb here and trying to apply one to every conflict is not the right answer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441411</id>
	<title>Re:Get a pringles can and go to Iraq</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do they make Halal Pringles?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they make Halal Pringles ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they make Halal Pringles?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440975</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443433</id>
	<title>What's the problem ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245788400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see any problem. All we need is a series of tubes and there are plenty of tubes in that oil-rich country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see any problem .
All we need is a series of tubes and there are plenty of tubes in that oil-rich country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see any problem.
All we need is a series of tubes and there are plenty of tubes in that oil-rich country.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442057</id>
	<title>I've got a crazy idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just this once, let's not mess with the internal affairs of another country.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just this once , let 's not mess with the internal affairs of another country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just this once, let's not mess with the internal affairs of another country.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441173</id>
	<title>Google it</title>
	<author>R4nm4-kun</author>
	<datestamp>1245780600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>There already are various Satellite Providers that offer Internet Connectivity also in Iran, just try to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:<a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;rls=en&amp;num=100&amp;q=satellite+internet+iran" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">google it</a> [google.com]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.<br> I'm pretty sure the US Army already has it's own satellite ISP that works in Iraq, which means it also works in Iran, they'd just have to be so generous to let the Iranis use it, they don't really need special equipment for this, they can buy satellite capable phones in Iran, they just need the access to the US army networks, or commercial networks. Just give them some access to satellite providers, then they can set up their own networks on site if they're the least bit organized, otherwise it's no use anyway. <br> <br>
Wifi from Irak isn't really possible, It would work around the borders, but that's all, Iran is a pretty big country, it's meaningless, satellite is the only option, either that or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP\_over\_Avian\_Carriers" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP\_over\_Avian\_Carriers</a> [wikipedia.org] .</htmltext>
<tokenext>There already are various Satellite Providers that offer Internet Connectivity also in Iran , just try to : google it [ google.com ] .
I 'm pretty sure the US Army already has it 's own satellite ISP that works in Iraq , which means it also works in Iran , they 'd just have to be so generous to let the Iranis use it , they do n't really need special equipment for this , they can buy satellite capable phones in Iran , they just need the access to the US army networks , or commercial networks .
Just give them some access to satellite providers , then they can set up their own networks on site if they 're the least bit organized , otherwise it 's no use anyway .
Wifi from Irak is n't really possible , It would work around the borders , but that 's all , Iran is a pretty big country , it 's meaningless , satellite is the only option , either that or http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP \ _over \ _Avian \ _Carriers [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There already are various Satellite Providers that offer Internet Connectivity also in Iran, just try to :google it [google.com] .
I'm pretty sure the US Army already has it's own satellite ISP that works in Iraq, which means it also works in Iran, they'd just have to be so generous to let the Iranis use it, they don't really need special equipment for this, they can buy satellite capable phones in Iran, they just need the access to the US army networks, or commercial networks.
Just give them some access to satellite providers, then they can set up their own networks on site if they're the least bit organized, otherwise it's no use anyway.
Wifi from Irak isn't really possible, It would work around the borders, but that's all, Iran is a pretty big country, it's meaningless, satellite is the only option, either that or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP\_over\_Avian\_Carriers [wikipedia.org] .</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441435</id>
	<title>beta me</title>
	<author>xactuary</author>
	<datestamp>1245781680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one welcome our broadband-beaming overlords. Please beam it into Algonquin, IL first.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one welcome our broadband-beaming overlords .
Please beam it into Algonquin , IL first .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one welcome our broadband-beaming overlords.
Please beam it into Algonquin, IL first.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28452105</id>
	<title>Re:SIM cards would not work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245856800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if andersh even knows what sarcasm is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if andersh even knows what sarcasm is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if andersh even knows what sarcasm is.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28448891</id>
	<title>Re:No</title>
	<author>linzeal</author>
	<datestamp>1245776160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is supposition and bullshit.  Mod parent down.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is supposition and bullshit .
Mod parent down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is supposition and bullshit.
Mod parent down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441925</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441717</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but</title>
	<author>damburger</author>
	<datestamp>1245782520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The French resistance got away with it, and the Gestapo were hardly shy about crushing dissent. A whole bunch of people, in an urban environment, only connecting for a few minutes at a time, will be hard for the authorities to crack down on. They will run out of manpower and equipment before the Iranian people run out of the desire to tweet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The French resistance got away with it , and the Gestapo were hardly shy about crushing dissent .
A whole bunch of people , in an urban environment , only connecting for a few minutes at a time , will be hard for the authorities to crack down on .
They will run out of manpower and equipment before the Iranian people run out of the desire to tweet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The French resistance got away with it, and the Gestapo were hardly shy about crushing dissent.
A whole bunch of people, in an urban environment, only connecting for a few minutes at a time, will be hard for the authorities to crack down on.
They will run out of manpower and equipment before the Iranian people run out of the desire to tweet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441209</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28449083</id>
	<title>How about ad hoc networking support?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245778500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We could provide software to support ad hoc networking between smart phones.  All they really seem to need is a crush-resistant way to send text messages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We could provide software to support ad hoc networking between smart phones .
All they really seem to need is a crush-resistant way to send text messages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We could provide software to support ad hoc networking between smart phones.
All they really seem to need is a crush-resistant way to send text messages.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443823</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>daem0n1x</author>
	<datestamp>1245789720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Why on Earth should the USA interfere with the communications of a sovereign country to benefit one of the parties of an election? Would you have liked Iran giving free broadband in the USA to Al Gore when Bush Jr. stole the election?
</p><p>
Mind your own business. Let the Iranians solve their own problems. Every time you interfere, things get shittier.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why on Earth should the USA interfere with the communications of a sovereign country to benefit one of the parties of an election ?
Would you have liked Iran giving free broadband in the USA to Al Gore when Bush Jr. stole the election ?
Mind your own business .
Let the Iranians solve their own problems .
Every time you interfere , things get shittier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Why on Earth should the USA interfere with the communications of a sovereign country to benefit one of the parties of an election?
Would you have liked Iran giving free broadband in the USA to Al Gore when Bush Jr. stole the election?
Mind your own business.
Let the Iranians solve their own problems.
Every time you interfere, things get shittier.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443443</id>
	<title>how would they use their bandwidth?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245788460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you gave the Iranians access to the internet, they'd just suck up all the bandwidth with YouTube, MySpace, Facebook and Second Life.  Half of them would be inspired to overthrow their government, and the other half would see the outside world as a vast wasteland, and embrace their isolation.  I'm pretty sure that this is why North Korea's like this.  They saw an episode of "Mr. Ed" and decided that isolationism isn't so bad after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you gave the Iranians access to the internet , they 'd just suck up all the bandwidth with YouTube , MySpace , Facebook and Second Life .
Half of them would be inspired to overthrow their government , and the other half would see the outside world as a vast wasteland , and embrace their isolation .
I 'm pretty sure that this is why North Korea 's like this .
They saw an episode of " Mr. Ed " and decided that isolationism is n't so bad after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you gave the Iranians access to the internet, they'd just suck up all the bandwidth with YouTube, MySpace, Facebook and Second Life.
Half of them would be inspired to overthrow their government, and the other half would see the outside world as a vast wasteland, and embrace their isolation.
I'm pretty sure that this is why North Korea's like this.
They saw an episode of "Mr. Ed" and decided that isolationism isn't so bad after all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28447705</id>
	<title>High altitude solar powered helium WIFI crafts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245763980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best way to distribute Internet in peace/neutral zones is with high altitude solar powered WIFI helium crafts (NASA working on prototypes), low maintenance cost, free broadband for the population.<br>In an hostile zone the best way to distribute Internet is still through satelitte, but it's so slow for gaming<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best way to distribute Internet in peace/neutral zones is with high altitude solar powered WIFI helium crafts ( NASA working on prototypes ) , low maintenance cost , free broadband for the population.In an hostile zone the best way to distribute Internet is still through satelitte , but it 's so slow for gaming ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best way to distribute Internet in peace/neutral zones is with high altitude solar powered WIFI helium crafts (NASA working on prototypes), low maintenance cost, free broadband for the population.In an hostile zone the best way to distribute Internet is still through satelitte, but it's so slow for gaming ;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444001</id>
	<title>Absolutely, but they'd need the right equipme</title>
	<author>DrBuzzo</author>
	<datestamp>1245790260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Broadband internet is avaliable anywhere in the world via satellite.   The services can be slightly laggy due to the distance the signal must travel, so it's not good for gaming or anything but it's find for uploading and downloading.  Anyone in Iran could get a signal outside the government's control by getting service from any one of the satellites in the region that provide broadband service.   Slight problem though - you'd need the satellite modem, dish, transmitter and so on and this is likely not avaliable in the country.   You'd also need a service contract with the provider, but I suppose it could be given away for free.
<br> <br>
So you could smuggle it in for one thing, but the dish needs clear southern exposure and it's likely to get you beheaded.  There are smaller portable satellite systems like Inmarsat BGAN and Thuraya virtual DSL but they tend to be expensive and are slower.   Those systems are usually 128K, which is not very fast (but arguably fast enough).
<br> <br>
Either way you have some other issues.   These signals could be sniffed because the dishes are not perfect in focusing the signal and very simple equipment could find them.  That would likely get you beheaded.
<br> <br>
So could you beam in some kind of signal that doesn't need special equipment and could be avaliable to everyone?   Probably not.  There's wifi, and presumably a lot of equipment could already receive that, but Wifi is not designed for such long distances and most antennas won't work.   A high gain directional antenna might if you put big transmitters on towers at the border.   Still, it could be easily sniffed back and it could be even more easily jammed.   Wifi doesn't work very well for this kind of broad geographic application.  There turns out to be too much reuse of frequencies and local sources drown it out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Broadband internet is avaliable anywhere in the world via satellite .
The services can be slightly laggy due to the distance the signal must travel , so it 's not good for gaming or anything but it 's find for uploading and downloading .
Anyone in Iran could get a signal outside the government 's control by getting service from any one of the satellites in the region that provide broadband service .
Slight problem though - you 'd need the satellite modem , dish , transmitter and so on and this is likely not avaliable in the country .
You 'd also need a service contract with the provider , but I suppose it could be given away for free .
So you could smuggle it in for one thing , but the dish needs clear southern exposure and it 's likely to get you beheaded .
There are smaller portable satellite systems like Inmarsat BGAN and Thuraya virtual DSL but they tend to be expensive and are slower .
Those systems are usually 128K , which is not very fast ( but arguably fast enough ) .
Either way you have some other issues .
These signals could be sniffed because the dishes are not perfect in focusing the signal and very simple equipment could find them .
That would likely get you beheaded .
So could you beam in some kind of signal that does n't need special equipment and could be avaliable to everyone ?
Probably not .
There 's wifi , and presumably a lot of equipment could already receive that , but Wifi is not designed for such long distances and most antennas wo n't work .
A high gain directional antenna might if you put big transmitters on towers at the border .
Still , it could be easily sniffed back and it could be even more easily jammed .
Wifi does n't work very well for this kind of broad geographic application .
There turns out to be too much reuse of frequencies and local sources drown it out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Broadband internet is avaliable anywhere in the world via satellite.
The services can be slightly laggy due to the distance the signal must travel, so it's not good for gaming or anything but it's find for uploading and downloading.
Anyone in Iran could get a signal outside the government's control by getting service from any one of the satellites in the region that provide broadband service.
Slight problem though - you'd need the satellite modem, dish, transmitter and so on and this is likely not avaliable in the country.
You'd also need a service contract with the provider, but I suppose it could be given away for free.
So you could smuggle it in for one thing, but the dish needs clear southern exposure and it's likely to get you beheaded.
There are smaller portable satellite systems like Inmarsat BGAN and Thuraya virtual DSL but they tend to be expensive and are slower.
Those systems are usually 128K, which is not very fast (but arguably fast enough).
Either way you have some other issues.
These signals could be sniffed because the dishes are not perfect in focusing the signal and very simple equipment could find them.
That would likely get you beheaded.
So could you beam in some kind of signal that doesn't need special equipment and could be avaliable to everyone?
Probably not.
There's wifi, and presumably a lot of equipment could already receive that, but Wifi is not designed for such long distances and most antennas won't work.
A high gain directional antenna might if you put big transmitters on towers at the border.
Still, it could be easily sniffed back and it could be even more easily jammed.
Wifi doesn't work very well for this kind of broad geographic application.
There turns out to be too much reuse of frequencies and local sources drown it out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442207</id>
	<title>Re:An extention of the Sharks with Lasers Idea...</title>
	<author>Synchis</author>
	<datestamp>1245784080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hydro electric? Or solar?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hydro electric ?
Or solar ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hydro electric?
Or solar?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440969</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441193</id>
	<title>IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245780660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2549.txt" title="rfc-editor.org">RFC2549</a> [rfc-editor.org] seems to be a perfect fit here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>RFC2549 [ rfc-editor.org ] seems to be a perfect fit here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RFC2549 [rfc-editor.org] seems to be a perfect fit here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440971</id>
	<title>Ummm</title>
	<author>clang\_jangle</author>
	<datestamp>1245779880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about we "beam broadband" to our own have-nots first?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about we " beam broadband " to our own have-nots first ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about we "beam broadband" to our own have-nots first?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441897</id>
	<title>Re:Don't do anything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but in the age of international politics that's simply not an option.  For as long as we can remember countries have always tried to extend their influence into other regions, and if you think the United States is the only one playing for a piece of Iran or Iraq you're quite mistaken.  The only reason the US is having international difficulty right now is that democracy means the president is beholden to elections (i.e. public opinion).  In the most egregious countries that's not the case, and the leaders can do what they want with little to no interference domestically.  They are probably lapping this whole situation up waiting for their chance to exploit the region's instability.</p><p>And if you think that stopping now will stop generating ill will, that's so completely disingenuous.  If you think that bad will is generated by anything other than P.R. campaigns by politicians you have much reading to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but in the age of international politics that 's simply not an option .
For as long as we can remember countries have always tried to extend their influence into other regions , and if you think the United States is the only one playing for a piece of Iran or Iraq you 're quite mistaken .
The only reason the US is having international difficulty right now is that democracy means the president is beholden to elections ( i.e .
public opinion ) .
In the most egregious countries that 's not the case , and the leaders can do what they want with little to no interference domestically .
They are probably lapping this whole situation up waiting for their chance to exploit the region 's instability.And if you think that stopping now will stop generating ill will , that 's so completely disingenuous .
If you think that bad will is generated by anything other than P.R .
campaigns by politicians you have much reading to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but in the age of international politics that's simply not an option.
For as long as we can remember countries have always tried to extend their influence into other regions, and if you think the United States is the only one playing for a piece of Iran or Iraq you're quite mistaken.
The only reason the US is having international difficulty right now is that democracy means the president is beholden to elections (i.e.
public opinion).
In the most egregious countries that's not the case, and the leaders can do what they want with little to no interference domestically.
They are probably lapping this whole situation up waiting for their chance to exploit the region's instability.And if you think that stopping now will stop generating ill will, that's so completely disingenuous.
If you think that bad will is generated by anything other than P.R.
campaigns by politicians you have much reading to do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444137</id>
	<title>balloons, maybe</title>
	<author>roc97007</author>
	<datestamp>1245790680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I remember reading a story about how some African nations were creating a wifi network via balloon.  The wireless router hangs off a weather balloon and gets it's network connection either via satellite or a dedicated link to a ground station.  The advantage may be that it could be done cheaply and easily replenished.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember reading a story about how some African nations were creating a wifi network via balloon .
The wireless router hangs off a weather balloon and gets it 's network connection either via satellite or a dedicated link to a ground station .
The advantage may be that it could be done cheaply and easily replenished .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I remember reading a story about how some African nations were creating a wifi network via balloon.
The wireless router hangs off a weather balloon and gets it's network connection either via satellite or a dedicated link to a ground station.
The advantage may be that it could be done cheaply and easily replenished.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441215</id>
	<title>ham radio</title>
	<author>fenring</author>
	<datestamp>1245780780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Iranians don't need broadband right now. All they need is a way of comunicating with the outside world. Maybe someone (read CIA) should teach them about Ham Radio.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Iranians do n't need broadband right now .
All they need is a way of comunicating with the outside world .
Maybe someone ( read CIA ) should teach them about Ham Radio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Iranians don't need broadband right now.
All they need is a way of comunicating with the outside world.
Maybe someone (read CIA) should teach them about Ham Radio.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442683</id>
	<title>Re:The Tor project is already doing this</title>
	<author>alain\_delon</author>
	<datestamp>1245785760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>TOR is not exactly broadband, capping at 9600 baud.  The main issue with it, however is how easy it is to radiolocate ham radios (which is what one would be using for TOR in Iran).  Once the government get wind of this, it would be like painting a target on your house.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TOR is not exactly broadband , capping at 9600 baud .
The main issue with it , however is how easy it is to radiolocate ham radios ( which is what one would be using for TOR in Iran ) .
Once the government get wind of this , it would be like painting a target on your house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TOR is not exactly broadband, capping at 9600 baud.
The main issue with it, however is how easy it is to radiolocate ham radios (which is what one would be using for TOR in Iran).
Once the government get wind of this, it would be like painting a target on your house.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441387</id>
	<title>The Tor project is already doing this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Tor project has taken it upon themselves to help out the resistance in Iran. They have instructions to setup Iran only Tor bridges to provide secure/anonymous internet access to and from Iran.</p><p>https://blog.torproject.org/blog/measuring-tor-and-iran</p><p>Too bad the press isn't paying attention to the (very successful) efforts by the Tor project in helping out the people of Iran get communications in and out of Iran. No need for the White House to do anything, the good folks and volunteers at Tor are taking care of it in a much more practical way.</p><p>Also, whoever wrote this article/said that comment has no idea about physics and technology. Some of the comments here talking about how unbelievably implausible "beaming broadband" into Iran is are very funny.</p><p>You can't just throw internet into a country.... not in any practical way anyways, especially from a satellite without proper ground equipment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Tor project has taken it upon themselves to help out the resistance in Iran .
They have instructions to setup Iran only Tor bridges to provide secure/anonymous internet access to and from Iran.https : //blog.torproject.org/blog/measuring-tor-and-iranToo bad the press is n't paying attention to the ( very successful ) efforts by the Tor project in helping out the people of Iran get communications in and out of Iran .
No need for the White House to do anything , the good folks and volunteers at Tor are taking care of it in a much more practical way.Also , whoever wrote this article/said that comment has no idea about physics and technology .
Some of the comments here talking about how unbelievably implausible " beaming broadband " into Iran is are very funny.You ca n't just throw internet into a country.... not in any practical way anyways , especially from a satellite without proper ground equipment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Tor project has taken it upon themselves to help out the resistance in Iran.
They have instructions to setup Iran only Tor bridges to provide secure/anonymous internet access to and from Iran.https://blog.torproject.org/blog/measuring-tor-and-iranToo bad the press isn't paying attention to the (very successful) efforts by the Tor project in helping out the people of Iran get communications in and out of Iran.
No need for the White House to do anything, the good folks and volunteers at Tor are taking care of it in a much more practical way.Also, whoever wrote this article/said that comment has no idea about physics and technology.
Some of the comments here talking about how unbelievably implausible "beaming broadband" into Iran is are very funny.You can't just throw internet into a country.... not in any practical way anyways, especially from a satellite without proper ground equipment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441999</id>
	<title>Ask Ted Stevens..</title>
	<author>stillpixel</author>
	<datestamp>1245783420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hear they could simply use a series of tubes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear they could simply use a series of tubes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear they could simply use a series of tubes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441721</id>
	<title>The question is wrong. Let Iranians figure it out.</title>
	<author>postbigbang</author>
	<datestamp>1245782580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Iran, murky as it is, is a sovereign nation. Revolutions come from within, which is why we're spending trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan. The clue is: the iranians will figure it out. The more external influences are brought to bear, the more a subsequent government will be suspect by its people. They have to do it. We have to sit back and watch. Otherwise, it won't stick, and it will devolve into the seventh civil war in the Middle East. Here's the current list, if you're not sure: Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Palestine, Pakistan, Somalia, Eritrea/Ethiopia. A quiet revolution makes much more sense than one that will continue to divide what were once peace-loving peoples.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Iran , murky as it is , is a sovereign nation .
Revolutions come from within , which is why we 're spending trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan .
The clue is : the iranians will figure it out .
The more external influences are brought to bear , the more a subsequent government will be suspect by its people .
They have to do it .
We have to sit back and watch .
Otherwise , it wo n't stick , and it will devolve into the seventh civil war in the Middle East .
Here 's the current list , if you 're not sure : Iraq , Afghanistan , Lebanon , Palestine , Pakistan , Somalia , Eritrea/Ethiopia .
A quiet revolution makes much more sense than one that will continue to divide what were once peace-loving peoples .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Iran, murky as it is, is a sovereign nation.
Revolutions come from within, which is why we're spending trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The clue is: the iranians will figure it out.
The more external influences are brought to bear, the more a subsequent government will be suspect by its people.
They have to do it.
We have to sit back and watch.
Otherwise, it won't stick, and it will devolve into the seventh civil war in the Middle East.
Here's the current list, if you're not sure: Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Palestine, Pakistan, Somalia, Eritrea/Ethiopia.
A quiet revolution makes much more sense than one that will continue to divide what were once peace-loving peoples.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440963</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444885</id>
	<title>Re:The question is wrong. Let Iranians figure it o</title>
	<author>wizden</author>
	<datestamp>1245750060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A little meddling certainly helped us in our revolutionary war. I tend to agree with you but it is not always so clear cut.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A little meddling certainly helped us in our revolutionary war .
I tend to agree with you but it is not always so clear cut .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A little meddling certainly helped us in our revolutionary war.
I tend to agree with you but it is not always so clear cut.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441721</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443719</id>
	<title>Re:The Tor project is already doing this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245789360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Too bad the press isn't paying attention to the (very successful) efforts by the Tor project in helping out the people of Iran get communications in and out of Iran.</p></div><p>Actually I don't think this is all that bad.  Perhaps it's better for Tor not to get the publicity and thus stay off the regime's radar.  Let word-of-mouth (or word-of-thumb?) take care of spreading the news.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad the press is n't paying attention to the ( very successful ) efforts by the Tor project in helping out the people of Iran get communications in and out of Iran.Actually I do n't think this is all that bad .
Perhaps it 's better for Tor not to get the publicity and thus stay off the regime 's radar .
Let word-of-mouth ( or word-of-thumb ?
) take care of spreading the news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad the press isn't paying attention to the (very successful) efforts by the Tor project in helping out the people of Iran get communications in and out of Iran.Actually I don't think this is all that bad.
Perhaps it's better for Tor not to get the publicity and thus stay off the regime's radar.
Let word-of-mouth (or word-of-thumb?
) take care of spreading the news.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442237</id>
	<title>Re:An extention of the Sharks with Lasers Idea...</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1245784200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wifi'ed and mesh networked. Camels or Marlboros, it doesn't really matter what brand we use as long as it gets picked-up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wifi'ed and mesh networked .
Camels or Marlboros , it does n't really matter what brand we use as long as it gets picked-up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wifi'ed and mesh networked.
Camels or Marlboros, it doesn't really matter what brand we use as long as it gets picked-up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440969</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441665</id>
	<title>No more beaming! This time I'm gonna walk</title>
	<author>smitty97</author>
	<datestamp>1245782400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>President Skroob:      I don't know about that beaming stuff. Is it safe?<br>Cmdr. Zircon:     Oh, yes. Snotty beamed me twice last night. It was wonderful.<br>President Skroob:     Alright, I'll take a shot at it. What the Hell, it works on Star Trek.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>President Skroob : I do n't know about that beaming stuff .
Is it safe ? Cmdr .
Zircon : Oh , yes .
Snotty beamed me twice last night .
It was wonderful.President Skroob : Alright , I 'll take a shot at it .
What the Hell , it works on Star Trek .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>President Skroob:      I don't know about that beaming stuff.
Is it safe?Cmdr.
Zircon:     Oh, yes.
Snotty beamed me twice last night.
It was wonderful.President Skroob:     Alright, I'll take a shot at it.
What the Hell, it works on Star Trek.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442097</id>
	<title>Re:Don't do anything</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1245783720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If 'meddling' means 'helping oppressed people communicate their true opinions' then I am willing to do it any day of the week.<br> <br>
If helping people overcome their repressive regimes means the world will have ill will, then that is a price I am willing to pay.  If doing good generates ill will, then your good will isn't worth having.<br> <br>
The reason people were (rightfully) upset with Iraq was because it was clearly done with arrogance and selfishness.  There were other ways to solve that problem that didn't involve invasions, killing lots of people, sham dictator trials, or defensive insurgencies or beheadings.<br> <br>
Also, I don't know who you are, but before you talk about what 'the world' wants, and how 'the world' wants us to stop meddling, remember all the calls from 'the world' to do something about Darfur?  Strangely sounds like they <i>wanted</i> the US to do meddle.  Same thing with Rwanda several years earlier.  The world does want the US to meddle, but only when they want them to meddle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If 'meddling ' means 'helping oppressed people communicate their true opinions ' then I am willing to do it any day of the week .
If helping people overcome their repressive regimes means the world will have ill will , then that is a price I am willing to pay .
If doing good generates ill will , then your good will is n't worth having .
The reason people were ( rightfully ) upset with Iraq was because it was clearly done with arrogance and selfishness .
There were other ways to solve that problem that did n't involve invasions , killing lots of people , sham dictator trials , or defensive insurgencies or beheadings .
Also , I do n't know who you are , but before you talk about what 'the world ' wants , and how 'the world ' wants us to stop meddling , remember all the calls from 'the world ' to do something about Darfur ?
Strangely sounds like they wanted the US to do meddle .
Same thing with Rwanda several years earlier .
The world does want the US to meddle , but only when they want them to meddle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If 'meddling' means 'helping oppressed people communicate their true opinions' then I am willing to do it any day of the week.
If helping people overcome their repressive regimes means the world will have ill will, then that is a price I am willing to pay.
If doing good generates ill will, then your good will isn't worth having.
The reason people were (rightfully) upset with Iraq was because it was clearly done with arrogance and selfishness.
There were other ways to solve that problem that didn't involve invasions, killing lots of people, sham dictator trials, or defensive insurgencies or beheadings.
Also, I don't know who you are, but before you talk about what 'the world' wants, and how 'the world' wants us to stop meddling, remember all the calls from 'the world' to do something about Darfur?
Strangely sounds like they wanted the US to do meddle.
Same thing with Rwanda several years earlier.
The world does want the US to meddle, but only when they want them to meddle.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28448605</id>
	<title>Weather balloons...</title>
	<author>who's got my nicknam</author>
	<datestamp>1245773340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This isn't complex tech. You launch a bunch of helium-filled weather balloons from bordering countries; under each one is a payload of wifi gear that repeats a transmission from ground-based terminals. 60,000 feet is nothing for consumer-grade wifi gear. At around $1000 a pop, they are cheap (disposable), and a turn-key package can be shipped out for deployment by regional hackers (hackerswithoutborders.org, for example).

Alternatively, you spend a bit of real money and deploy <a href="http://www.sanswire.com/" title="sanswire.com" rel="nofollow">Stratellites</a> [sanswire.com]. Of course, those would probably be easier to shoot down, and the loss would sting a bit financially. Also, see "Still a Prototype".</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't complex tech .
You launch a bunch of helium-filled weather balloons from bordering countries ; under each one is a payload of wifi gear that repeats a transmission from ground-based terminals .
60,000 feet is nothing for consumer-grade wifi gear .
At around $ 1000 a pop , they are cheap ( disposable ) , and a turn-key package can be shipped out for deployment by regional hackers ( hackerswithoutborders.org , for example ) .
Alternatively , you spend a bit of real money and deploy Stratellites [ sanswire.com ] .
Of course , those would probably be easier to shoot down , and the loss would sting a bit financially .
Also , see " Still a Prototype " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't complex tech.
You launch a bunch of helium-filled weather balloons from bordering countries; under each one is a payload of wifi gear that repeats a transmission from ground-based terminals.
60,000 feet is nothing for consumer-grade wifi gear.
At around $1000 a pop, they are cheap (disposable), and a turn-key package can be shipped out for deployment by regional hackers (hackerswithoutborders.org, for example).
Alternatively, you spend a bit of real money and deploy Stratellites [sanswire.com].
Of course, those would probably be easier to shoot down, and the loss would sting a bit financially.
Also, see "Still a Prototype".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28446485</id>
	<title>May as well</title>
	<author>TopperMcNabb</author>
	<datestamp>1245756540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>May as well drop several crates of pistols, assault rifles and grenades if you want to support a revolution.</htmltext>
<tokenext>May as well drop several crates of pistols , assault rifles and grenades if you want to support a revolution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>May as well drop several crates of pistols, assault rifles and grenades if you want to support a revolution.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441769</id>
	<title>Re:Get a pringles can and go to Iraq</title>
	<author>egregious</author>
	<datestamp>1245782700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um, no. You don't have a grasp of the geography. It's not beaming a signal across the street, it's more like coast-to-coast, LA to NY. You have to go to space to get high up enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , no .
You do n't have a grasp of the geography .
It 's not beaming a signal across the street , it 's more like coast-to-coast , LA to NY .
You have to go to space to get high up enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, no.
You don't have a grasp of the geography.
It's not beaming a signal across the street, it's more like coast-to-coast, LA to NY.
You have to go to space to get high up enough.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441439</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442899</id>
	<title>Re:The question is wrong. Let Iranians figure it o</title>
	<author>cekander</author>
	<datestamp>1245786480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a reason we propped up the Shah. And there a reason we went into Iraq. There's a reason we're in Afghanistan. Everything has to do with resource control. Meddling with Iran has less to do with defeating evil, and more to do with destabilization.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a reason we propped up the Shah .
And there a reason we went into Iraq .
There 's a reason we 're in Afghanistan .
Everything has to do with resource control .
Meddling with Iran has less to do with defeating evil , and more to do with destabilization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a reason we propped up the Shah.
And there a reason we went into Iraq.
There's a reason we're in Afghanistan.
Everything has to do with resource control.
Meddling with Iran has less to do with defeating evil, and more to do with destabilization.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441721</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443335</id>
	<title>you're ignorant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245788040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"For one thing, this isn't a popular uprising. It's taking place in a liberal city and is mostly students (although not entirely)."</p><p>the protests are not by a few iranian hippies. this is a gross distortion of the facts of the wide appeal this uprising has across all demographic groups</p><p>"It's currently Iran's problem and it should be up to the Iranian people to resolve it, not for the outside to decide what they think is best for them."</p><p>good. so shut up and stop trying to characterize what is going on iran as anything else but a genuine, vast, multidemographic uprising</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" For one thing , this is n't a popular uprising .
It 's taking place in a liberal city and is mostly students ( although not entirely ) .
" the protests are not by a few iranian hippies .
this is a gross distortion of the facts of the wide appeal this uprising has across all demographic groups " It 's currently Iran 's problem and it should be up to the Iranian people to resolve it , not for the outside to decide what they think is best for them. " good .
so shut up and stop trying to characterize what is going on iran as anything else but a genuine , vast , multidemographic uprising</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"For one thing, this isn't a popular uprising.
It's taking place in a liberal city and is mostly students (although not entirely).
"the protests are not by a few iranian hippies.
this is a gross distortion of the facts of the wide appeal this uprising has across all demographic groups"It's currently Iran's problem and it should be up to the Iranian people to resolve it, not for the outside to decide what they think is best for them."good.
so shut up and stop trying to characterize what is going on iran as anything else but a genuine, vast, multidemographic uprising</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441925</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441507</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, in any long term situation Iran can set up jamming just as North Korea does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , in any long term situation Iran can set up jamming just as North Korea does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, in any long term situation Iran can set up jamming just as North Korea does.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440943</id>
	<title>VOAol</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245779820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not affiliated with Time-Warner.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not affiliated with Time-Warner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not affiliated with Time-Warner.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443621</id>
	<title>Re:IP Datagrams on Avian Carriers</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1245789060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1149 should be enough in this situation; it's not like they need QoS...</htmltext>
<tokenext>1149 should be enough in this situation ; it 's not like they need QoS.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1149 should be enough in this situation; it's not like they need QoS...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441193</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444231</id>
	<title>Re:The question is wrong. Let Iranians figure it o</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245747780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How did your revolution against the British turn out on your own?  Oh wait - it didn't.  The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American\_Revolution#Summary" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">French</a> [wikipedia.org] helped - as did the Dutch &amp; Spanish.</p><blockquote><div><p>The Americans formed an alliance with France in 1778 that evened the military and naval strengths, later bringing Spain and the Dutch Republic into the conflict by their own alliance with France</p></div></blockquote><p>But go on it seems to be the prevailing thought process on Slashdot today so you'll get your +5 insightful.  Iraq &amp; Afghanistan btw have different problems as to why they are currently expensive (probably has a lot to do with the horrible mismanagement &amp; wide-spread corruption with the private contractors Bush liked so much).</p><p>BTW the CIA promised help thus encouraging the Hungary Revolution in 1956 against the Soviets.  Guess how well that turned out for them without any external help.  What do you realistically expect to happen here?  If we leave things alone, the Iranians potentially could get slaughtered (however, I'm not going to presume to understand all the intricacies of the political system - it's extremely complex with lots of factors like the guardian council, which elects the Ayatollah actually supporting a recount AFAIK).  Simply saying it's in our best interest to stay out of it is extremely stupid - it's hedging the bet that everything will remain status quo.  If there is a successful overthrow, they probably won't appreciate not getting help from the States while they were dying - they might not care, they might understand, they might not.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How did your revolution against the British turn out on your own ?
Oh wait - it did n't .
The French [ wikipedia.org ] helped - as did the Dutch &amp; Spanish.The Americans formed an alliance with France in 1778 that evened the military and naval strengths , later bringing Spain and the Dutch Republic into the conflict by their own alliance with FranceBut go on it seems to be the prevailing thought process on Slashdot today so you 'll get your + 5 insightful .
Iraq &amp; Afghanistan btw have different problems as to why they are currently expensive ( probably has a lot to do with the horrible mismanagement &amp; wide-spread corruption with the private contractors Bush liked so much ) .BTW the CIA promised help thus encouraging the Hungary Revolution in 1956 against the Soviets .
Guess how well that turned out for them without any external help .
What do you realistically expect to happen here ?
If we leave things alone , the Iranians potentially could get slaughtered ( however , I 'm not going to presume to understand all the intricacies of the political system - it 's extremely complex with lots of factors like the guardian council , which elects the Ayatollah actually supporting a recount AFAIK ) .
Simply saying it 's in our best interest to stay out of it is extremely stupid - it 's hedging the bet that everything will remain status quo .
If there is a successful overthrow , they probably wo n't appreciate not getting help from the States while they were dying - they might not care , they might understand , they might not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How did your revolution against the British turn out on your own?
Oh wait - it didn't.
The French [wikipedia.org] helped - as did the Dutch &amp; Spanish.The Americans formed an alliance with France in 1778 that evened the military and naval strengths, later bringing Spain and the Dutch Republic into the conflict by their own alliance with FranceBut go on it seems to be the prevailing thought process on Slashdot today so you'll get your +5 insightful.
Iraq &amp; Afghanistan btw have different problems as to why they are currently expensive (probably has a lot to do with the horrible mismanagement &amp; wide-spread corruption with the private contractors Bush liked so much).BTW the CIA promised help thus encouraging the Hungary Revolution in 1956 against the Soviets.
Guess how well that turned out for them without any external help.
What do you realistically expect to happen here?
If we leave things alone, the Iranians potentially could get slaughtered (however, I'm not going to presume to understand all the intricacies of the political system - it's extremely complex with lots of factors like the guardian council, which elects the Ayatollah actually supporting a recount AFAIK).
Simply saying it's in our best interest to stay out of it is extremely stupid - it's hedging the bet that everything will remain status quo.
If there is a successful overthrow, they probably won't appreciate not getting help from the States while they were dying - they might not care, they might understand, they might not.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441721</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444575</id>
	<title>Re:Ummm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245749040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I second this I'm tired of ISDN being the only way for me to get online at home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I second this I 'm tired of ISDN being the only way for me to get online at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I second this I'm tired of ISDN being the only way for me to get online at home.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440957</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441537</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was yesterday's news, and generally agreed to be a snow job by the WSJ.  These companies sold <i>network equipment</i>.  The same equipment that is probably allowing information to seep out of Iran.  Please mod down this blatant hijacking, especially in light of the fact that it <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/06/22/1245205" title="slashdot.org">already has its own topic</a> [slashdot.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was yesterday 's news , and generally agreed to be a snow job by the WSJ .
These companies sold network equipment .
The same equipment that is probably allowing information to seep out of Iran .
Please mod down this blatant hijacking , especially in light of the fact that it already has its own topic [ slashdot.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was yesterday's news, and generally agreed to be a snow job by the WSJ.
These companies sold network equipment.
The same equipment that is probably allowing information to seep out of Iran.
Please mod down this blatant hijacking, especially in light of the fact that it already has its own topic [slashdot.org].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28445577</id>
	<title>Jedi Council vs Iran Guardian Council</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245752580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I belive I am on to <a href="http://www.cloverspace.com/" title="cloverspace.com" rel="nofollow">something</a> [cloverspace.com].<br>We need Vader and a swarm of droids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I belive I am on to something [ cloverspace.com ] .We need Vader and a swarm of droids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I belive I am on to something [cloverspace.com].We need Vader and a swarm of droids.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441321</id>
	<title>We sure as hell could.</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1245781200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bet a few AWACS aircraft orbiting just outside of the Iranian border could serve as communications relays.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet a few AWACS aircraft orbiting just outside of the Iranian border could serve as communications relays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet a few AWACS aircraft orbiting just outside of the Iranian border could serve as communications relays.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442337</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245784560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have said it before and I say it now.<br>I am not voting in another US pres election until its done online. Any bank or CPA firm or pricewaterhouse could make it legit. Todays system is fraught with errors, not from the senior-citizens who administer it, but from the layers above who act in secrecy. I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have said it before and I say it now.I am not voting in another US pres election until its done online .
Any bank or CPA firm or pricewaterhouse could make it legit .
Todays system is fraught with errors , not from the senior-citizens who administer it , but from the layers above who act in secrecy .
I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have said it before and I say it now.I am not voting in another US pres election until its done online.
Any bank or CPA firm or pricewaterhouse could make it legit.
Todays system is fraught with errors, not from the senior-citizens who administer it, but from the layers above who act in secrecy.
I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443665</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1245789180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I hear this, why do I think of a bunch of garden hoses linked together going across the Iran border?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I hear this , why do I think of a bunch of garden hoses linked together going across the Iran border ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I hear this, why do I think of a bunch of garden hoses linked together going across the Iran border?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443129</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>HTH NE1</author>
	<datestamp>1245787260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Paper ballots?"<br>"Digital voting machines are <em>way</em> too easy to tamper with, and campaigns get really competitive around here."<br>-- Sheriff Jack Carter and Deputy Jo Lupo; <i>Eureka</i> "Here Come The Suns"</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record!</p></div><p>So... you want a system where your employer can retaliate against you for voting the wrong way?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Paper ballots ?
" " Digital voting machines are way too easy to tamper with , and campaigns get really competitive around here .
" -- Sheriff Jack Carter and Deputy Jo Lupo ; Eureka " Here Come The Suns " I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record ! So... you want a system where your employer can retaliate against you for voting the wrong way ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Paper ballots?
""Digital voting machines are way too easy to tamper with, and campaigns get really competitive around here.
"-- Sheriff Jack Carter and Deputy Jo Lupo; Eureka "Here Come The Suns"I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record!So... you want a system where your employer can retaliate against you for voting the wrong way?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442337</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440963</id>
	<title>Balloons?</title>
	<author>knothead99</author>
	<datestamp>1245779880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just recently there was a story on slashdot about using balloons in Africa to distribute internet connectivity.  I don't recall the speeds they considered feasible.  Such a deployment in Iran may also have to contend with attempts to shoot down or disable said balloons by those in power.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just recently there was a story on slashdot about using balloons in Africa to distribute internet connectivity .
I do n't recall the speeds they considered feasible .
Such a deployment in Iran may also have to contend with attempts to shoot down or disable said balloons by those in power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just recently there was a story on slashdot about using balloons in Africa to distribute internet connectivity.
I don't recall the speeds they considered feasible.
Such a deployment in Iran may also have to contend with attempts to shoot down or disable said balloons by those in power.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441819</id>
	<title>Another option is shortwave</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1245782880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The shortwave band frequencies (2 MHz to 25 MHz<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... depending on time of day and other conditions) could be used, too.  The underground in Germany did that during World War 2.  A lot got caught by direction finders.  A lot didn't.  It would be low bandwidth, but could supplement satellite based communications.  Ham radio operators inside Kuwait used this to communicate out when Iraq invaded Kuwait.  And hams are using lots of data/packet communications even over these frequencies these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The shortwave band frequencies ( 2 MHz to 25 MHz ... depending on time of day and other conditions ) could be used , too .
The underground in Germany did that during World War 2 .
A lot got caught by direction finders .
A lot did n't .
It would be low bandwidth , but could supplement satellite based communications .
Ham radio operators inside Kuwait used this to communicate out when Iraq invaded Kuwait .
And hams are using lots of data/packet communications even over these frequencies these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The shortwave band frequencies (2 MHz to 25 MHz ... depending on time of day and other conditions) could be used, too.
The underground in Germany did that during World War 2.
A lot got caught by direction finders.
A lot didn't.
It would be low bandwidth, but could supplement satellite based communications.
Ham radio operators inside Kuwait used this to communicate out when Iraq invaded Kuwait.
And hams are using lots of data/packet communications even over these frequencies these days.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28449369</id>
	<title>Obl. "Singularity Sky" quote</title>
	<author>dp\_wiz</author>
	<datestamp>1245782160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Entertain us</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Entertain us</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Entertain us
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441805</id>
	<title>Duhhh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245782820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone knows the internet is a series of tubes you moran, the real question is whether we have enough PVC to reach from our satellites down into Iran.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone knows the internet is a series of tubes you moran , the real question is whether we have enough PVC to reach from our satellites down into Iran .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone knows the internet is a series of tubes you moran, the real question is whether we have enough PVC to reach from our satellites down into Iran.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28450367</id>
	<title>Could? Should?</title>
	<author>jandersen</author>
	<datestamp>1245837900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course we can - it is technically feasible. The question is if it is the right thing to do, morally and politically.</p><p>Morals first: Does any nation have the moral right to go and interfere in the affairs of another? Well, of course, if they attack us we have to defend ourselves, which certainly amounts to "interference", but for all their hostile rhetorics, Iran are not actually attacking any western country or threatening to do so. In fact, all their signals are that they have no intentions to do so. I don't know what it is that gives certain Americans the idea that they have a right to go and dictate what is right or not - after all, you guys don't certainly like having others tell you what you should do.</p><p>Apart from that, the political effect of doing so would not be to help the Iranian opposition; on the contrary. It would play into the hands of Ahmadinejad, giving him a clear example of what a threat the US are to the people of Iran, and it would once again make the rest of world lose confidence in America's fitness as a top-player in international politics. I mean, after nearly a century of idiotic, bungled attempts at interfering in the internal affairs of other countries, you still don't get it? How many Vietnams and Iraqs does it take?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course we can - it is technically feasible .
The question is if it is the right thing to do , morally and politically.Morals first : Does any nation have the moral right to go and interfere in the affairs of another ?
Well , of course , if they attack us we have to defend ourselves , which certainly amounts to " interference " , but for all their hostile rhetorics , Iran are not actually attacking any western country or threatening to do so .
In fact , all their signals are that they have no intentions to do so .
I do n't know what it is that gives certain Americans the idea that they have a right to go and dictate what is right or not - after all , you guys do n't certainly like having others tell you what you should do.Apart from that , the political effect of doing so would not be to help the Iranian opposition ; on the contrary .
It would play into the hands of Ahmadinejad , giving him a clear example of what a threat the US are to the people of Iran , and it would once again make the rest of world lose confidence in America 's fitness as a top-player in international politics .
I mean , after nearly a century of idiotic , bungled attempts at interfering in the internal affairs of other countries , you still do n't get it ?
How many Vietnams and Iraqs does it take ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course we can - it is technically feasible.
The question is if it is the right thing to do, morally and politically.Morals first: Does any nation have the moral right to go and interfere in the affairs of another?
Well, of course, if they attack us we have to defend ourselves, which certainly amounts to "interference", but for all their hostile rhetorics, Iran are not actually attacking any western country or threatening to do so.
In fact, all their signals are that they have no intentions to do so.
I don't know what it is that gives certain Americans the idea that they have a right to go and dictate what is right or not - after all, you guys don't certainly like having others tell you what you should do.Apart from that, the political effect of doing so would not be to help the Iranian opposition; on the contrary.
It would play into the hands of Ahmadinejad, giving him a clear example of what a threat the US are to the people of Iran, and it would once again make the rest of world lose confidence in America's fitness as a top-player in international politics.
I mean, after nearly a century of idiotic, bungled attempts at interfering in the internal affairs of other countries, you still don't get it?
How many Vietnams and Iraqs does it take?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441953</id>
	<title>Re:Get a pringles can and go to Iraq</title>
	<author>Sponge Bath</author>
	<datestamp>1245783240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't the Iraqi government have to sign off on that, since Iraq is sovereign nation? I suspect there is enough Iranian influence that they would not allow it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't the Iraqi government have to sign off on that , since Iraq is sovereign nation ?
I suspect there is enough Iranian influence that they would not allow it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't the Iraqi government have to sign off on that, since Iraq is sovereign nation?
I suspect there is enough Iranian influence that they would not allow it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440975</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28446819</id>
	<title>Re:The Tor project is already doing this</title>
	<author>brkello</author>
	<datestamp>1245758100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, can you blame the media?  With a scary name like Tor, no one would ever use it.  That's why they love twitter...because it is cute.  Tor should change it's name to flutter or bunny-kittens and then the media will be all over it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , can you blame the media ?
With a scary name like Tor , no one would ever use it .
That 's why they love twitter...because it is cute .
Tor should change it 's name to flutter or bunny-kittens and then the media will be all over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, can you blame the media?
With a scary name like Tor, no one would ever use it.
That's why they love twitter...because it is cute.
Tor should change it's name to flutter or bunny-kittens and then the media will be all over it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442433</id>
	<title>Forget beaming internet into Iran</title>
	<author>davegravy</author>
	<datestamp>1245784800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A Care Bear Stare would be far more effective and less complicated from an IT standpoint.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A Care Bear Stare would be far more effective and less complicated from an IT standpoint .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Care Bear Stare would be far more effective and less complicated from an IT standpoint.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441783</id>
	<title>It's a bad idea but...</title>
	<author>morgauxo</author>
	<datestamp>1245782760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To all those who say...
<br> <br>
Let's take care of our own first
Various versions of "the world doesn't want our interference"
<br> <br>
I agree!
<br> <br>
But just to play with the idea it seems like a great application for the OLPC and it's mesh networking capability.  If we air-dropped enough of them, spread out throughout the country with either the hand crank or solar option....  It would make for an interesting show...</htmltext>
<tokenext>To all those who say.. . Let 's take care of our own first Various versions of " the world does n't want our interference " I agree !
But just to play with the idea it seems like a great application for the OLPC and it 's mesh networking capability .
If we air-dropped enough of them , spread out throughout the country with either the hand crank or solar option.... It would make for an interesting show.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To all those who say...
 
Let's take care of our own first
Various versions of "the world doesn't want our interference"
 
I agree!
But just to play with the idea it seems like a great application for the OLPC and it's mesh networking capability.
If we air-dropped enough of them, spread out throughout the country with either the hand crank or solar option....  It would make for an interesting show...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28450447</id>
	<title>Re:DVB-S2/RCS or BGAN</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245839520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's trivially easy to jam satellite communications.  I'm sure Inmarsat would just love it if you used their service and drew such a response from the Iranians.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's trivially easy to jam satellite communications .
I 'm sure Inmarsat would just love it if you used their service and drew such a response from the Iranians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's trivially easy to jam satellite communications.
I'm sure Inmarsat would just love it if you used their service and drew such a response from the Iranians.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441333</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444201</id>
	<title>Ham radio.</title>
	<author>Doug52392</author>
	<datestamp>1245747720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In theory, amateur radio satellites could be used to beam Internet access into Iran, since it is possible to use TCP/IP via ham radio. It would, however, be very slow.</p><p>However, if they have ham radios to begin with, why bother making them Internet enabled?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In theory , amateur radio satellites could be used to beam Internet access into Iran , since it is possible to use TCP/IP via ham radio .
It would , however , be very slow.However , if they have ham radios to begin with , why bother making them Internet enabled ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In theory, amateur radio satellites could be used to beam Internet access into Iran, since it is possible to use TCP/IP via ham radio.
It would, however, be very slow.However, if they have ham radios to begin with, why bother making them Internet enabled?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441521</id>
	<title>Re:Use Wildblue</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1245781920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The satellites for those services are in geostationary orbit, pointed so that they have a footprint in the U.S., so they wouldn't work in Iran (Looking around for a second, it sounds like they specifically use a satellite called Anik-F2).</p><p>The tiny little dish has to be pointed pretty carefully to make the uplink work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The satellites for those services are in geostationary orbit , pointed so that they have a footprint in the U.S. , so they would n't work in Iran ( Looking around for a second , it sounds like they specifically use a satellite called Anik-F2 ) .The tiny little dish has to be pointed pretty carefully to make the uplink work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The satellites for those services are in geostationary orbit, pointed so that they have a footprint in the U.S., so they wouldn't work in Iran (Looking around for a second, it sounds like they specifically use a satellite called Anik-F2).The tiny little dish has to be pointed pretty carefully to make the uplink work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441179</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441645</id>
	<title>Re:Soup cans and string</title>
	<author>damburger</author>
	<datestamp>1245782340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Based on what? Yes, Iran has infrastructure problems. No, it isn't a country of mud huts. Are you simply assuming it is because it is a muslim country?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Based on what ?
Yes , Iran has infrastructure problems .
No , it is n't a country of mud huts .
Are you simply assuming it is because it is a muslim country ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Based on what?
Yes, Iran has infrastructure problems.
No, it isn't a country of mud huts.
Are you simply assuming it is because it is a muslim country?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441409</id>
	<title>Re:Eh sonny?</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1245781560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, we've been eavesdropping on microwave transmissions via satellite for decades now..  We could just have the NSA satellites answer back....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , we 've been eavesdropping on microwave transmissions via satellite for decades now.. We could just have the NSA satellites answer back.... ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, we've been eavesdropping on microwave transmissions via satellite for decades now..  We could just have the NSA satellites answer back.... ;)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441131</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441479</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has already <a href="http://iran.whyweprotest.net/news-current-events/506-nokia-siemens-disconnects-people.html" title="whyweprotest.net">caught</a> [whyweprotest.net] <a href="http://iran.whyweprotest.net/news-current-events/1889-damn-nokia-siemens.html" title="whyweprotest.net">the</a> [whyweprotest.net] <a href="http://iran.whyweprotest.net/news-current-events/1700-there-new-group-facebook-boycott-nokia-siemens.html" title="whyweprotest.net">attention</a> [whyweprotest.net] <a href="http://iran.whyweprotest.net/general-discussion/1192-leads-anon-nokia-connection.html" title="whyweprotest.net">of</a> [whyweprotest.net] <a href="http://iran.whyweprotest.net/news-current-events/738-boycott-nokia-siemens-supplying-system-used-crackdown-boycott.html" title="whyweprotest.net">Anonymous</a> [whyweprotest.net].</p><p>Perhaps <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_\_81LkSI9RI&amp;" title="youtube.com">Anonymous will respond</a> [youtube.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has already caught [ whyweprotest.net ] the [ whyweprotest.net ] attention [ whyweprotest.net ] of [ whyweprotest.net ] Anonymous [ whyweprotest.net ] .Perhaps Anonymous will respond [ youtube.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has already caught [whyweprotest.net] the [whyweprotest.net] attention [whyweprotest.net] of [whyweprotest.net] Anonymous [whyweprotest.net].Perhaps Anonymous will respond [youtube.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441465</id>
	<title>Powerful Ground Transmitter/Receivers Not Needed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The mistake I am hearing is that sending and receiving need BIG powerful equipment. What about going way back in history to mirrors, that is to say light? Perhaps a cheap modified DLP mirror chip could act as both receiver and sender (using a cheap hand laser). Hand lasers easily reach jets. Yes, a very cloudy or foggy country would have difficulty but a country with a lot of arid and desert climate has a lot of sunshine and open sky.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The mistake I am hearing is that sending and receiving need BIG powerful equipment .
What about going way back in history to mirrors , that is to say light ?
Perhaps a cheap modified DLP mirror chip could act as both receiver and sender ( using a cheap hand laser ) .
Hand lasers easily reach jets .
Yes , a very cloudy or foggy country would have difficulty but a country with a lot of arid and desert climate has a lot of sunshine and open sky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The mistake I am hearing is that sending and receiving need BIG powerful equipment.
What about going way back in history to mirrors, that is to say light?
Perhaps a cheap modified DLP mirror chip could act as both receiver and sender (using a cheap hand laser).
Hand lasers easily reach jets.
Yes, a very cloudy or foggy country would have difficulty but a country with a lot of arid and desert climate has a lot of sunshine and open sky.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443249</id>
	<title>Re:An extention of the Sharks with Lasers Idea...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1245787740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, there <em>are</em> donkeys with satellite Internet: <a href="http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne\_0x3a\_\_The\_Digital\_Donkey.aspx" title="thedailywtf.com">http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne\_0x3a\_\_The\_Digital\_Donkey.aspx</a> [thedailywtf.com]<br>(Don't miss out on the other parts of the series. It's a great read. And I can assure you that I checked it, and it is true.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , there are donkeys with satellite Internet : http : //thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne \ _0x3a \ _ \ _The \ _Digital \ _Donkey.aspx [ thedailywtf.com ] ( Do n't miss out on the other parts of the series .
It 's a great read .
And I can assure you that I checked it , and it is true .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, there are donkeys with satellite Internet: http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne\_0x3a\_\_The\_Digital\_Donkey.aspx [thedailywtf.com](Don't miss out on the other parts of the series.
It's a great read.
And I can assure you that I checked it, and it is true.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440969</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441475</id>
	<title>Be not afraid of Internet;</title>
	<author>booyabazooka</author>
	<datestamp>1245781800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some are born with Internet, some pay a lot for Internet, and others have Internet thrust upon them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some are born with Internet , some pay a lot for Internet , and others have Internet thrust upon them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some are born with Internet, some pay a lot for Internet, and others have Internet thrust upon them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28449801</id>
	<title>Our  BIGGEST satellite</title>
	<author>DogToy</author>
	<datestamp>1245786600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I believe one of the best ways to "BEAM" data into areas with little or no net access would be to bounce RF encoded data packets off the moon.  Any HAM radio operator knows that voice streams can be bounced off the surface of the moon and picked up in far away places.  Moonbounce would be perfect for underground low bit-rate data streams, such as twitter or facebook posts.<br><br>If coordinated properly with someone in an outside country (possibly even via amateur radio) these &amp;#181blogs could then be posted to the net.<br><br>Also there is the possibility for internal communications within local communities via packet radio technologies like AX.25 which can be used to access local bulletin boards to post updates, coordinate with others, etc.<br><br>Then there is also the possibility of 802.11s which can be used to create shared connections over longer distances, and also can provide some redundancy when nodes are taken down.<br><br>The options for providing connectivity are plethora, the problem is in coordinating an approach between enough people for it to make a difference.<br><br>Cheers!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe one of the best ways to " BEAM " data into areas with little or no net access would be to bounce RF encoded data packets off the moon .
Any HAM radio operator knows that voice streams can be bounced off the surface of the moon and picked up in far away places .
Moonbounce would be perfect for underground low bit-rate data streams , such as twitter or facebook posts.If coordinated properly with someone in an outside country ( possibly even via amateur radio ) these &amp; # 181blogs could then be posted to the net.Also there is the possibility for internal communications within local communities via packet radio technologies like AX.25 which can be used to access local bulletin boards to post updates , coordinate with others , etc.Then there is also the possibility of 802.11s which can be used to create shared connections over longer distances , and also can provide some redundancy when nodes are taken down.The options for providing connectivity are plethora , the problem is in coordinating an approach between enough people for it to make a difference.Cheers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe one of the best ways to "BEAM" data into areas with little or no net access would be to bounce RF encoded data packets off the moon.
Any HAM radio operator knows that voice streams can be bounced off the surface of the moon and picked up in far away places.
Moonbounce would be perfect for underground low bit-rate data streams, such as twitter or facebook posts.If coordinated properly with someone in an outside country (possibly even via amateur radio) these &amp;#181blogs could then be posted to the net.Also there is the possibility for internal communications within local communities via packet radio technologies like AX.25 which can be used to access local bulletin boards to post updates, coordinate with others, etc.Then there is also the possibility of 802.11s which can be used to create shared connections over longer distances, and also can provide some redundancy when nodes are taken down.The options for providing connectivity are plethora, the problem is in coordinating an approach between enough people for it to make a difference.Cheers!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443627</id>
	<title>a better question...</title>
	<author>Gravis Zero</author>
	<datestamp>1245789060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Should we "beam" broadband internet into Iran?  I dont know if interfering with other governments is a good idea.  A lot of people seem to be for interfering with a regime until we actually go to war with them at which point those same people scorn and point blame at others for doing exactly what they wanted.</p><p>I'm not trying to troll, I'm bringing up a valid point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Should we " beam " broadband internet into Iran ?
I dont know if interfering with other governments is a good idea .
A lot of people seem to be for interfering with a regime until we actually go to war with them at which point those same people scorn and point blame at others for doing exactly what they wanted.I 'm not trying to troll , I 'm bringing up a valid point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Should we "beam" broadband internet into Iran?
I dont know if interfering with other governments is a good idea.
A lot of people seem to be for interfering with a regime until we actually go to war with them at which point those same people scorn and point blame at others for doing exactly what they wanted.I'm not trying to troll, I'm bringing up a valid point.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443397</id>
	<title>anonymous coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245788220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The United States doesn't give a crap about protecting people from tyranny unless it is anti-capitalist tyranny.  The US only acts against tyranny if it gets in the way of multinational corporations or the harvesting of strategic resources.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The United States does n't give a crap about protecting people from tyranny unless it is anti-capitalist tyranny .
The US only acts against tyranny if it gets in the way of multinational corporations or the harvesting of strategic resources .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The United States doesn't give a crap about protecting people from tyranny unless it is anti-capitalist tyranny.
The US only acts against tyranny if it gets in the way of multinational corporations or the harvesting of strategic resources.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441565</id>
	<title>Singularity Sky</title>
	<author>Viadd</author>
	<datestamp>1245782100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The day war was declared, a rain of telephones fell clattering to the coblestones from the skies above Novy Petrograd."<br>Charles Stross</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The day war was declared , a rain of telephones fell clattering to the coblestones from the skies above Novy Petrograd .
" Charles Stross</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The day war was declared, a rain of telephones fell clattering to the coblestones from the skies above Novy Petrograd.
"Charles Stross</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441893</id>
	<title>Re:Soup cans and string</title>
	<author>NeutronCowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1245783120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, and the Greeks are still using chariots for travel, the French all live in castles, the Germans all wear Lederhosen and sit in a Bierstube all day, the Swiss communicate via yodeling, the British only drink tea with their right pinky in the air, the Russians are all enslaved in Gulags....</p><p>Yeah, these are all idiotic stereotypes I've heard from Americans who were surprised when they actually visisted the damn country. I'll file the parent under the same stereotypical ignorant American.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , and the Greeks are still using chariots for travel , the French all live in castles , the Germans all wear Lederhosen and sit in a Bierstube all day , the Swiss communicate via yodeling , the British only drink tea with their right pinky in the air , the Russians are all enslaved in Gulags....Yeah , these are all idiotic stereotypes I 've heard from Americans who were surprised when they actually visisted the damn country .
I 'll file the parent under the same stereotypical ignorant American .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, and the Greeks are still using chariots for travel, the French all live in castles, the Germans all wear Lederhosen and sit in a Bierstube all day, the Swiss communicate via yodeling, the British only drink tea with their right pinky in the air, the Russians are all enslaved in Gulags....Yeah, these are all idiotic stereotypes I've heard from Americans who were surprised when they actually visisted the damn country.
I'll file the parent under the same stereotypical ignorant American.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441901</id>
	<title>Re:ham radio</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1245783120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yea that would be hard to track down. So why sir do you have that 20 meter rig?<br>Countries have been using DF to stop that kind of stuff since WWII.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea that would be hard to track down .
So why sir do you have that 20 meter rig ? Countries have been using DF to stop that kind of stuff since WWII .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea that would be hard to track down.
So why sir do you have that 20 meter rig?Countries have been using DF to stop that kind of stuff since WWII.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441215</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441303</id>
	<title>Don't do anything</title>
	<author>giorgiofr</author>
	<datestamp>1245781080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The world has been clamoring for you guys to stop meddling in their affairs and only mind your own. So I suggest that you should do just that: it will cost you nothing and you won't generate any further ill will towards you. What's not to like?<br>Maybe people will change their mind or maybe they won't, either way you'll be covered.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The world has been clamoring for you guys to stop meddling in their affairs and only mind your own .
So I suggest that you should do just that : it will cost you nothing and you wo n't generate any further ill will towards you .
What 's not to like ? Maybe people will change their mind or maybe they wo n't , either way you 'll be covered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The world has been clamoring for you guys to stop meddling in their affairs and only mind your own.
So I suggest that you should do just that: it will cost you nothing and you won't generate any further ill will towards you.
What's not to like?Maybe people will change their mind or maybe they won't, either way you'll be covered.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444041</id>
	<title>Re:The question is wrong. Let Iranians figure it o</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245790440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Eritrea/Ethiopia are not in the middle east. Somalia, Eritrea/Ethiopia are in Africa. Check your geography</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Afghanistan , Pakistan , Somalia , Eritrea/Ethiopia are not in the middle east .
Somalia , Eritrea/Ethiopia are in Africa .
Check your geography</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Afghanistan, Pakistan, Somalia, Eritrea/Ethiopia are not in the middle east.
Somalia, Eritrea/Ethiopia are in Africa.
Check your geography</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441721</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441847</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>delta98</author>
	<datestamp>1245782940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>yeah because the WALL STREET journal really could care less about what the potential back lash would be if this is in fact true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>yeah because the WALL STREET journal really could care less about what the potential back lash would be if this is in fact true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeah because the WALL STREET journal really could care less about what the potential back lash would be if this is in fact true.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441537</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28450249</id>
	<title>US Goverment should stay out of this</title>
	<author>JumperCable</author>
	<datestamp>1245835680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Any US governmental response will only make it harder for the Iranian protesters.  The Iranians do not like external governments meddling with their affairs given their history.  As much as it may suck to watch them suffer going it alone, anything the US government does will only make it worse &amp; give the middle east another reason to hate the US.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Any US governmental response will only make it harder for the Iranian protesters .
The Iranians do not like external governments meddling with their affairs given their history .
As much as it may suck to watch them suffer going it alone , anything the US government does will only make it worse &amp; give the middle east another reason to hate the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any US governmental response will only make it harder for the Iranian protesters.
The Iranians do not like external governments meddling with their affairs given their history.
As much as it may suck to watch them suffer going it alone, anything the US government does will only make it worse &amp; give the middle east another reason to hate the US.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28447365</id>
	<title>People will hate the US either way</title>
	<author>Zantetsuken</author>
	<datestamp>1245761460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As for the "image" of the US among the rest of the world, it doesn't really matter what the US government does - you see, if we help the Iranian voters, everybody hates us for interfering yet again in somebody's business when they may well have been able to get through it themselves, only to have the US fuck it up for them. On the other side, if we don't do anything, as some people on here are advocating, and the Iranian voters all get slaughtered by the new regime, the whole world goes and says "Look at those hypocritical bastards in the US! They claim to love democracy and give full support to any nation that wants to oust a tyrant to put democracy in, but see what they do in the real world! Nothing!"
<br> <br>
So like I said, its not like anything good is going to come out of it for the US anyway. We help them and are seen as warmongers, or not and seen as hypocrites...</htmltext>
<tokenext>As for the " image " of the US among the rest of the world , it does n't really matter what the US government does - you see , if we help the Iranian voters , everybody hates us for interfering yet again in somebody 's business when they may well have been able to get through it themselves , only to have the US fuck it up for them .
On the other side , if we do n't do anything , as some people on here are advocating , and the Iranian voters all get slaughtered by the new regime , the whole world goes and says " Look at those hypocritical bastards in the US !
They claim to love democracy and give full support to any nation that wants to oust a tyrant to put democracy in , but see what they do in the real world !
Nothing ! " So like I said , its not like anything good is going to come out of it for the US anyway .
We help them and are seen as warmongers , or not and seen as hypocrites.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As for the "image" of the US among the rest of the world, it doesn't really matter what the US government does - you see, if we help the Iranian voters, everybody hates us for interfering yet again in somebody's business when they may well have been able to get through it themselves, only to have the US fuck it up for them.
On the other side, if we don't do anything, as some people on here are advocating, and the Iranian voters all get slaughtered by the new regime, the whole world goes and says "Look at those hypocritical bastards in the US!
They claim to love democracy and give full support to any nation that wants to oust a tyrant to put democracy in, but see what they do in the real world!
Nothing!"
 
So like I said, its not like anything good is going to come out of it for the US anyway.
We help them and are seen as warmongers, or not and seen as hypocrites...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441925</id>
	<title>No</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Could we beam broadband internet into Iran? Yes. Could they send anything back? No.</p><p>However, everyone assumes that we 'should' be doing this and helping the revolution so they can experience 'freedom'.</p><p>For one thing, this isn't a popular uprising. It's taking place in a liberal city and is mostly students (although not entirely). Polls taken beforehand that were trustworthy indicate that Ahmadinejad could've expected between 40-50\% of the vote in the election. That means he has a whole lot of supporters out there.</p><p>How do you think these supporters would feel if the opposition not only got brought into power on the basis of 'liberal' protesters who didn't represent them, but they were helped and organised through American help? Even if it wasn't state sanctioned, they'll still see it as America behind it.</p><p>All this to get a president into power who isn't that much better than the current one in terms of how liberal he is.</p><p>Brown and Obama have taken a strictly hands off approach for a reason. It's best at the moment to hope the situation resolves itself without excessive bloodshed. Too much pushing will at best, make a good portion of the country think we're meddling, at worst, it'll push the two entrenched sides into a bloody civil war.</p><p>It's currently Iran's problem and it should be up to the Iranian people to resolve it, not for the outside to decide what they think is best for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could we beam broadband internet into Iran ?
Yes. Could they send anything back ?
No.However , everyone assumes that we 'should ' be doing this and helping the revolution so they can experience 'freedom'.For one thing , this is n't a popular uprising .
It 's taking place in a liberal city and is mostly students ( although not entirely ) .
Polls taken beforehand that were trustworthy indicate that Ahmadinejad could 've expected between 40-50 \ % of the vote in the election .
That means he has a whole lot of supporters out there.How do you think these supporters would feel if the opposition not only got brought into power on the basis of 'liberal ' protesters who did n't represent them , but they were helped and organised through American help ?
Even if it was n't state sanctioned , they 'll still see it as America behind it.All this to get a president into power who is n't that much better than the current one in terms of how liberal he is.Brown and Obama have taken a strictly hands off approach for a reason .
It 's best at the moment to hope the situation resolves itself without excessive bloodshed .
Too much pushing will at best , make a good portion of the country think we 're meddling , at worst , it 'll push the two entrenched sides into a bloody civil war.It 's currently Iran 's problem and it should be up to the Iranian people to resolve it , not for the outside to decide what they think is best for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could we beam broadband internet into Iran?
Yes. Could they send anything back?
No.However, everyone assumes that we 'should' be doing this and helping the revolution so they can experience 'freedom'.For one thing, this isn't a popular uprising.
It's taking place in a liberal city and is mostly students (although not entirely).
Polls taken beforehand that were trustworthy indicate that Ahmadinejad could've expected between 40-50\% of the vote in the election.
That means he has a whole lot of supporters out there.How do you think these supporters would feel if the opposition not only got brought into power on the basis of 'liberal' protesters who didn't represent them, but they were helped and organised through American help?
Even if it wasn't state sanctioned, they'll still see it as America behind it.All this to get a president into power who isn't that much better than the current one in terms of how liberal he is.Brown and Obama have taken a strictly hands off approach for a reason.
It's best at the moment to hope the situation resolves itself without excessive bloodshed.
Too much pushing will at best, make a good portion of the country think we're meddling, at worst, it'll push the two entrenched sides into a bloody civil war.It's currently Iran's problem and it should be up to the Iranian people to resolve it, not for the outside to decide what they think is best for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442133</id>
	<title>Re:Don't do anything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good advice, Herr Goebbels.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; - AC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good advice , Herr Goebbels .
    - AC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good advice, Herr Goebbels.
    - AC</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441141</id>
	<title>Of course</title>
	<author>saleenS281</author>
	<datestamp>1245780480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We can send sattelite internet to them quite easily.  The real issue is that they have no gear to receive it.  I'm sure we could dump stuff off by the truckload... but then I have to ask why?  If the opposition loses, we have an even BIGGER diplomatic issue on our hand with a country we need to try to repair relations with over the long-term.  I'd say we're best suited sitting back and letting it play out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We can send sattelite internet to them quite easily .
The real issue is that they have no gear to receive it .
I 'm sure we could dump stuff off by the truckload... but then I have to ask why ?
If the opposition loses , we have an even BIGGER diplomatic issue on our hand with a country we need to try to repair relations with over the long-term .
I 'd say we 're best suited sitting back and letting it play out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We can send sattelite internet to them quite easily.
The real issue is that they have no gear to receive it.
I'm sure we could dump stuff off by the truckload... but then I have to ask why?
If the opposition loses, we have an even BIGGER diplomatic issue on our hand with a country we need to try to repair relations with over the long-term.
I'd say we're best suited sitting back and letting it play out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440969</id>
	<title>An extention of the Sharks with Lasers Idea...</title>
	<author>Het Irv</author>
	<datestamp>1245779880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Camels with Wifi!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Camels with Wifi !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Camels with Wifi!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441741</id>
	<title>Re:Don't do anything</title>
	<author>deKernel</author>
	<datestamp>1245782640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I guess I can think of a continent that twice should be happy that we "meddled" in their affairs as well as several countries that have half of their population happy that we again "meddled" in their affairs. I will leave out the whole Eastern Bloc countries including Russia for the sake of brevity.</p><p>Now regarding Iran, we, the US, are pretty darn certain that the opposition leader is really no better than the current leader. What we object to is that a select few individuals in Iran have decided the outcome of the election regardless of the general population or even their laws on elections (whether we like the results or the people elected).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I guess I can think of a continent that twice should be happy that we " meddled " in their affairs as well as several countries that have half of their population happy that we again " meddled " in their affairs .
I will leave out the whole Eastern Bloc countries including Russia for the sake of brevity.Now regarding Iran , we , the US , are pretty darn certain that the opposition leader is really no better than the current leader .
What we object to is that a select few individuals in Iran have decided the outcome of the election regardless of the general population or even their laws on elections ( whether we like the results or the people elected ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I guess I can think of a continent that twice should be happy that we "meddled" in their affairs as well as several countries that have half of their population happy that we again "meddled" in their affairs.
I will leave out the whole Eastern Bloc countries including Russia for the sake of brevity.Now regarding Iran, we, the US, are pretty darn certain that the opposition leader is really no better than the current leader.
What we object to is that a select few individuals in Iran have decided the outcome of the election regardless of the general population or even their laws on elections (whether we like the results or the people elected).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441303</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442429</id>
	<title>Dear Slashdot Chipheads: +1, Helpful</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245784800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Before you beam broadband internet into Iran, would you please beam broadband internet into the United Gulags of America.</p><p>Thank you for your attention to this important matter.</p><p>Yours In Technology,<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMw8Jsqrnaw&amp;feature=related" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Kilggore Trout</a> [youtube.com], C.I.O.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Before you beam broadband internet into Iran , would you please beam broadband internet into the United Gulags of America.Thank you for your attention to this important matter.Yours In Technology,Kilggore Trout [ youtube.com ] , C.I.O .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before you beam broadband internet into Iran, would you please beam broadband internet into the United Gulags of America.Thank you for your attention to this important matter.Yours In Technology,Kilggore Trout [youtube.com], C.I.O.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28457675</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>discogravy</author>
	<datestamp>1245834240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <b>I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record!</b></p></div> </blockquote><p>You obviously haven't thought this idea out very well; that's just asking for the system to be abused.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record !
You obviously have n't thought this idea out very well ; that 's just asking for the system to be abused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I want a website where my ssn and vote are public record!
You obviously haven't thought this idea out very well; that's just asking for the system to be abused.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442337</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441603</id>
	<title>Re:Soup cans and string</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245782160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>while it is true that "beaming" broadband into Iran is absurd.  as others have said, whomever asked the press secretary that question is ignorant of how broadband works and deserves to be laughed at soundly by their peers.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p><p>that said, your characterization of Iran is way off.  Iran is considerably more civilized then what you think it is.  Electricity, cell phones, computers, and internet access are all relatively common place in Iran.</p><p>The place that you are describing is called Afghanistan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>while it is true that " beaming " broadband into Iran is absurd .
as others have said , whomever asked the press secretary that question is ignorant of how broadband works and deserves to be laughed at soundly by their peers .
: pthat said , your characterization of Iran is way off .
Iran is considerably more civilized then what you think it is .
Electricity , cell phones , computers , and internet access are all relatively common place in Iran.The place that you are describing is called Afghanistan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>while it is true that "beaming" broadband into Iran is absurd.
as others have said, whomever asked the press secretary that question is ignorant of how broadband works and deserves to be laughed at soundly by their peers.
:pthat said, your characterization of Iran is way off.
Iran is considerably more civilized then what you think it is.
Electricity, cell phones, computers, and internet access are all relatively common place in Iran.The place that you are describing is called Afghanistan.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441175</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441437</id>
	<title>Re:Google it</title>
	<author>tibman</author>
	<datestamp>1245781680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When i was deployed to Iraq my platoon was in a tiny coalition camp, no internet, phones, mail, tv, pay, or anything.  So we found a local guy in the city that sold us a civilian satelite dish.  We paid him in cash each month and he took it to bagdad and paid somebody for the service.  We convoyed to the nearest FOB with payservices to get the cash (and the mail, ANCD fills, candy, taco bell, whatever).</p><p>I think we had 12 unique IPs and the bandwidth was decent.  The only problems we had was people leaving their torrents on all day!  You'd have to practically cordon and search the area to find the offending laptop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When i was deployed to Iraq my platoon was in a tiny coalition camp , no internet , phones , mail , tv , pay , or anything .
So we found a local guy in the city that sold us a civilian satelite dish .
We paid him in cash each month and he took it to bagdad and paid somebody for the service .
We convoyed to the nearest FOB with payservices to get the cash ( and the mail , ANCD fills , candy , taco bell , whatever ) .I think we had 12 unique IPs and the bandwidth was decent .
The only problems we had was people leaving their torrents on all day !
You 'd have to practically cordon and search the area to find the offending laptop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When i was deployed to Iraq my platoon was in a tiny coalition camp, no internet, phones, mail, tv, pay, or anything.
So we found a local guy in the city that sold us a civilian satelite dish.
We paid him in cash each month and he took it to bagdad and paid somebody for the service.
We convoyed to the nearest FOB with payservices to get the cash (and the mail, ANCD fills, candy, taco bell, whatever).I think we had 12 unique IPs and the bandwidth was decent.
The only problems we had was people leaving their torrents on all day!
You'd have to practically cordon and search the area to find the offending laptop.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441173</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441503</id>
	<title>Re:Ummm</title>
	<author>CarpetShark</author>
	<datestamp>1245781860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the point?  NY doesn't have anywhere near as much (potential for) oil as Iran.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the point ?
NY does n't have anywhere near as much ( potential for ) oil as Iran .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the point?
NY doesn't have anywhere near as much (potential for) oil as Iran.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440957</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441681</id>
	<title>Combine two goals</title>
	<author>odoketa</author>
	<datestamp>1245782460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had already discarded this idea, because of the lack of hardware, but it does open the question as to whether the US should direct future research into broadband into satellite internet. The two birds you could kill at once would be domestic access and, assuming you could get the hardware accepted into other countries, a tool for future operations of this nature.</p><p>Promote the hardware, perhaps at a discounted price, perhaps even in partnership with local resellers. It's the newest thing, a great option for getting internet to poor people, heck - you could even throw money at people to deploy it.</p><p>You wouldn't need very deep market penetration into a country, though obviously it would be better if the technology worked with mobile devices.</p><p>If you're a tinfoil hat type, I would keep my eyes peeled for something like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had already discarded this idea , because of the lack of hardware , but it does open the question as to whether the US should direct future research into broadband into satellite internet .
The two birds you could kill at once would be domestic access and , assuming you could get the hardware accepted into other countries , a tool for future operations of this nature.Promote the hardware , perhaps at a discounted price , perhaps even in partnership with local resellers .
It 's the newest thing , a great option for getting internet to poor people , heck - you could even throw money at people to deploy it.You would n't need very deep market penetration into a country , though obviously it would be better if the technology worked with mobile devices.If you 're a tinfoil hat type , I would keep my eyes peeled for something like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had already discarded this idea, because of the lack of hardware, but it does open the question as to whether the US should direct future research into broadband into satellite internet.
The two birds you could kill at once would be domestic access and, assuming you could get the hardware accepted into other countries, a tool for future operations of this nature.Promote the hardware, perhaps at a discounted price, perhaps even in partnership with local resellers.
It's the newest thing, a great option for getting internet to poor people, heck - you could even throw money at people to deploy it.You wouldn't need very deep market penetration into a country, though obviously it would be better if the technology worked with mobile devices.If you're a tinfoil hat type, I would keep my eyes peeled for something like this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444369</id>
	<title>HOW? I wouldn't for one thing</title>
	<author>justdrew</author>
	<datestamp>1245748260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd mind my own damn business.

I'd stop getting news from infotainment ad outlets known as the mainstream media.

<a href="http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090622\_iranian\_election\_and\_revolution\_test" title="stratfor.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090622\_iranian\_election\_and\_revolution\_test</a> [stratfor.com]

This is a battle between the elite clerical families, the rich over-educated kids in the street (when it's not MKO terrorists, supported by the US ) are fool risking their lives for nothing.

Do not encourage them further or their blood will be on your hands.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd mind my own damn business .
I 'd stop getting news from infotainment ad outlets known as the mainstream media .
http : //www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090622 \ _iranian \ _election \ _and \ _revolution \ _test [ stratfor.com ] This is a battle between the elite clerical families , the rich over-educated kids in the street ( when it 's not MKO terrorists , supported by the US ) are fool risking their lives for nothing .
Do not encourage them further or their blood will be on your hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd mind my own damn business.
I'd stop getting news from infotainment ad outlets known as the mainstream media.
http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090622\_iranian\_election\_and\_revolution\_test [stratfor.com]

This is a battle between the elite clerical families, the rich over-educated kids in the street (when it's not MKO terrorists, supported by the US ) are fool risking their lives for nothing.
Do not encourage them further or their blood will be on your hands.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28451919</id>
	<title>Doing It Now</title>
	<author>BigBlueOx</author>
	<datestamp>1245855840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In answer to the reporter's question, yes, we CAN beam The Internet into Iran.</p><p>If we re-route The Internet signal carrier using multi-nodal reflection sorting to feed the main dish, we can create an anomaly that would allow a inverted tachyon field to penetrate the Iranian government's censorship thereby allowing Iranians to access The Internet or at least print it out.</p><p>And on a related note, I'd like to point out that without traditional media news outlets, penetrating questions like this would never be asked of government officials. No "blogger" would ever had thought to ask a question like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In answer to the reporter 's question , yes , we CAN beam The Internet into Iran.If we re-route The Internet signal carrier using multi-nodal reflection sorting to feed the main dish , we can create an anomaly that would allow a inverted tachyon field to penetrate the Iranian government 's censorship thereby allowing Iranians to access The Internet or at least print it out.And on a related note , I 'd like to point out that without traditional media news outlets , penetrating questions like this would never be asked of government officials .
No " blogger " would ever had thought to ask a question like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In answer to the reporter's question, yes, we CAN beam The Internet into Iran.If we re-route The Internet signal carrier using multi-nodal reflection sorting to feed the main dish, we can create an anomaly that would allow a inverted tachyon field to penetrate the Iranian government's censorship thereby allowing Iranians to access The Internet or at least print it out.And on a related note, I'd like to point out that without traditional media news outlets, penetrating questions like this would never be asked of government officials.
No "blogger" would ever had thought to ask a question like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442267</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>DriedClexler</author>
	<datestamp>1245784260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fine with me.  Iran could use a lot of "joint ventures involving Siemens" right about now, if you ask me<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>*ducks*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fine with me .
Iran could use a lot of " joint ventures involving Siemens " right about now , if you ask me ; - ) * ducks *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fine with me.
Iran could use a lot of "joint ventures involving Siemens" right about now, if you ask me ;-)*ducks*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440911</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444265</id>
	<title>HF/VHF radio</title>
	<author>walshy007</author>
	<datestamp>1245747900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using HF radio you could easily beam internet to anyone who wanted it in the country and has an appropriate transceiver, knows how to put up a good directional antenna (at about 1200 baud... shared) But people who have that equipment and know how likely aren't having any problems communicating anyway</p><p>VHF would yield much better throughput, with standard modems managing about 9600baud, but greatly diminished range and a lot more juice needed to extend it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using HF radio you could easily beam internet to anyone who wanted it in the country and has an appropriate transceiver , knows how to put up a good directional antenna ( at about 1200 baud... shared ) But people who have that equipment and know how likely are n't having any problems communicating anywayVHF would yield much better throughput , with standard modems managing about 9600baud , but greatly diminished range and a lot more juice needed to extend it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using HF radio you could easily beam internet to anyone who wanted it in the country and has an appropriate transceiver, knows how to put up a good directional antenna (at about 1200 baud... shared) But people who have that equipment and know how likely aren't having any problems communicating anywayVHF would yield much better throughput, with standard modems managing about 9600baud, but greatly diminished range and a lot more juice needed to extend it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440963</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28448993</id>
	<title>Export controls undermine our efforts...</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1245777180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems to me the best thing to help free speech in Iran or many other countries is to allow the transfer, to civilians, of really good encryption technology.  Our government may not be able to read their stuff, but their government won't either, and that's probably more in line with what we want.  If anything, the fact that our government could not read their stuff would probably garner more popular acceptance of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems to me the best thing to help free speech in Iran or many other countries is to allow the transfer , to civilians , of really good encryption technology .
Our government may not be able to read their stuff , but their government wo n't either , and that 's probably more in line with what we want .
If anything , the fact that our government could not read their stuff would probably garner more popular acceptance of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems to me the best thing to help free speech in Iran or many other countries is to allow the transfer, to civilians, of really good encryption technology.
Our government may not be able to read their stuff, but their government won't either, and that's probably more in line with what we want.
If anything, the fact that our government could not read their stuff would probably garner more popular acceptance of it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442609</id>
	<title>Re:Ummm</title>
	<author>hoooocheymomma</author>
	<datestamp>1245785520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about we let them go to the damn library where they can get it already?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about we let them go to the damn library where they can get it already ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about we let them go to the damn library where they can get it already?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440971</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444115</id>
	<title>I'm an American</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245790620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I'm not going to listen to a "suggestion" from a squalid peasant on slashdot, because I don't care about your "ill will" or the "clamoring" of some rabble of untermensch. We *will* meddle in your affairs if it suits us, and the only thing left for you to do is to yell "yes sir" and step the fuck out of our way. Judging by your user name however, I have to assume that you're posting from some irrelevant, mediterranean old-europe country; some open-air mausoleum with a rapidly-aging population- flyover country for that side of the atlantic. In that case your comment comes off as yet another nobody talking shit about his employer. Maybe you're the one who needs to do a better job minding his own affairs- as your neighborhoods are being inundated by khat-chewing somalis, and yemeni men who wipe their asses with their own hands and grope your women- because while we might decide to park some f16s or construct a missle silo on your land, you probably don't have anything that's worth any serious "meddling." ^\_^</p><p>Have a nice day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I 'm not going to listen to a " suggestion " from a squalid peasant on slashdot , because I do n't care about your " ill will " or the " clamoring " of some rabble of untermensch .
We * will * meddle in your affairs if it suits us , and the only thing left for you to do is to yell " yes sir " and step the fuck out of our way .
Judging by your user name however , I have to assume that you 're posting from some irrelevant , mediterranean old-europe country ; some open-air mausoleum with a rapidly-aging population- flyover country for that side of the atlantic .
In that case your comment comes off as yet another nobody talking shit about his employer .
Maybe you 're the one who needs to do a better job minding his own affairs- as your neighborhoods are being inundated by khat-chewing somalis , and yemeni men who wipe their asses with their own hands and grope your women- because while we might decide to park some f16s or construct a missle silo on your land , you probably do n't have anything that 's worth any serious " meddling .
" ^ \ _ ^ Have a nice day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I'm not going to listen to a "suggestion" from a squalid peasant on slashdot, because I don't care about your "ill will" or the "clamoring" of some rabble of untermensch.
We *will* meddle in your affairs if it suits us, and the only thing left for you to do is to yell "yes sir" and step the fuck out of our way.
Judging by your user name however, I have to assume that you're posting from some irrelevant, mediterranean old-europe country; some open-air mausoleum with a rapidly-aging population- flyover country for that side of the atlantic.
In that case your comment comes off as yet another nobody talking shit about his employer.
Maybe you're the one who needs to do a better job minding his own affairs- as your neighborhoods are being inundated by khat-chewing somalis, and yemeni men who wipe their asses with their own hands and grope your women- because while we might decide to park some f16s or construct a missle silo on your land, you probably don't have anything that's worth any serious "meddling.
" ^\_^Have a nice day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441303</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441861</id>
	<title>Unhelpful Question</title>
	<author>dbcad7</author>
	<datestamp>1245783000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>In Iran.. protesters that have been arrested, have been put on TV to tell how they have been influenced by the BBC and Voice of America to riot.. This is part of their punishment. The government is spinning everything as a western plot.. The latest is that the shooting of the girl Neda, was somehow staged by the west.. The Iranian governments propaganda is is like conspiricist  theories on steroids.. They will use a question about beaming broadband to prove that the west is behind it all, you can be sure,</htmltext>
<tokenext>In Iran.. protesters that have been arrested , have been put on TV to tell how they have been influenced by the BBC and Voice of America to riot.. This is part of their punishment .
The government is spinning everything as a western plot.. The latest is that the shooting of the girl Neda , was somehow staged by the west.. The Iranian governments propaganda is is like conspiricist theories on steroids.. They will use a question about beaming broadband to prove that the west is behind it all , you can be sure,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Iran.. protesters that have been arrested, have been put on TV to tell how they have been influenced by the BBC and Voice of America to riot.. This is part of their punishment.
The government is spinning everything as a western plot.. The latest is that the shooting of the girl Neda, was somehow staged by the west.. The Iranian governments propaganda is is like conspiricist  theories on steroids.. They will use a question about beaming broadband to prove that the west is behind it all, you can be sure,</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28449183</id>
	<title>Broadband via satellite</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245779640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>     Could "we" provide broadband to Iran?<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; First, a description of the existing systems.  They, in short, use a ground satellite dish (like Dish Network sized or a bit bigger) to receive signals from a satellite, and (on older systems) use a dialup return or (on newer systems) a transmitter on the satellite dish beams signals back to the satellite.  See hughesnet and wildblue for 2 US examples that do multi-megabit speeds.  This will have a regular beam, and "spot beams" to cover higher usage areas.  This is not just a SIM card, this is a whole satellite receiver/transmit system.  Sat phone systems exist but typically run about 9600bps data (that is 0.9kbps or so), with a larger antenna required for higher-speed data.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Problems with this:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; A) Who's "we"?  There are commercial companies that do provide satellite data, and at reasonable speeds at that, but most use geosynchronous satellites and aren't goint to just let someone move a sat over Iran.  It's not like the gov't going to magically make a satellite appear either.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; B)  No.  Barring the practical reasons of the satellite and distributing receivers, there is:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1) Legal reasons.  There's FCC-like regulations at the international level, there's licenses for certain frequencies at a certain orbital location.  And don't forget, the ground stations are transmitting out on reserved frequencies as well.  Countries do take this stuff seriously too!  Leading to:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 2) Within-the-country legal problems.    You've got a special data receiver setup on-site, and it's *transmitting*, so it's not like it'll be hard to track them down.  This won't be a portable solution if you're "on the lam" either.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 3) Practical reasons.  Iran's got like 30 million people in it.  Put a fat satellite in place, get people using it, and it'll be uselessly overloaded and slow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Could " we " provide broadband to Iran ?
          First , a description of the existing systems .
They , in short , use a ground satellite dish ( like Dish Network sized or a bit bigger ) to receive signals from a satellite , and ( on older systems ) use a dialup return or ( on newer systems ) a transmitter on the satellite dish beams signals back to the satellite .
See hughesnet and wildblue for 2 US examples that do multi-megabit speeds .
This will have a regular beam , and " spot beams " to cover higher usage areas .
This is not just a SIM card , this is a whole satellite receiver/transmit system .
Sat phone systems exist but typically run about 9600bps data ( that is 0.9kbps or so ) , with a larger antenna required for higher-speed data .
          Problems with this :           A ) Who 's " we " ?
There are commercial companies that do provide satellite data , and at reasonable speeds at that , but most use geosynchronous satellites and are n't goint to just let someone move a sat over Iran .
It 's not like the gov't going to magically make a satellite appear either .
          B ) No .
Barring the practical reasons of the satellite and distributing receivers , there is :                     1 ) Legal reasons .
There 's FCC-like regulations at the international level , there 's licenses for certain frequencies at a certain orbital location .
And do n't forget , the ground stations are transmitting out on reserved frequencies as well .
Countries do take this stuff seriously too !
Leading to :                     2 ) Within-the-country legal problems .
You 've got a special data receiver setup on-site , and it 's * transmitting * , so it 's not like it 'll be hard to track them down .
This wo n't be a portable solution if you 're " on the lam " either .
                  3 ) Practical reasons .
Iran 's got like 30 million people in it .
Put a fat satellite in place , get people using it , and it 'll be uselessly overloaded and slow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>     Could "we" provide broadband to Iran?
          First, a description of the existing systems.
They, in short, use a ground satellite dish (like Dish Network sized or a bit bigger) to receive signals from a satellite, and (on older systems) use a dialup return or (on newer systems) a transmitter on the satellite dish beams signals back to the satellite.
See hughesnet and wildblue for 2 US examples that do multi-megabit speeds.
This will have a regular beam, and "spot beams" to cover higher usage areas.
This is not just a SIM card, this is a whole satellite receiver/transmit system.
Sat phone systems exist but typically run about 9600bps data (that is 0.9kbps or so), with a larger antenna required for higher-speed data.
          Problems with this:
          A) Who's "we"?
There are commercial companies that do provide satellite data, and at reasonable speeds at that, but most use geosynchronous satellites and aren't goint to just let someone move a sat over Iran.
It's not like the gov't going to magically make a satellite appear either.
          B)  No.
Barring the practical reasons of the satellite and distributing receivers, there is:
                    1) Legal reasons.
There's FCC-like regulations at the international level, there's licenses for certain frequencies at a certain orbital location.
And don't forget, the ground stations are transmitting out on reserved frequencies as well.
Countries do take this stuff seriously too!
Leading to:
                    2) Within-the-country legal problems.
You've got a special data receiver setup on-site, and it's *transmitting*, so it's not like it'll be hard to track them down.
This won't be a portable solution if you're "on the lam" either.
                  3) Practical reasons.
Iran's got like 30 million people in it.
Put a fat satellite in place, get people using it, and it'll be uselessly overloaded and slow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441195</id>
	<title>SIM cards would not work</title>
	<author>andersh</author>
	<datestamp>1245780660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if abenamer even knows what SIM cards are? Does he know that they are subject to "approval" from the network? So unless he wants to send a GSM network as well they are <b>useless</b>. There are ways of spoofing and cloning of course, but that would also be quite simple to fix from an Iranian point of view; shut down the whole GSM phone network. Of course if they gave them <b>satellite</b> phones that <b>would</b> work! For both voice and data communications.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if abenamer even knows what SIM cards are ?
Does he know that they are subject to " approval " from the network ?
So unless he wants to send a GSM network as well they are useless .
There are ways of spoofing and cloning of course , but that would also be quite simple to fix from an Iranian point of view ; shut down the whole GSM phone network .
Of course if they gave them satellite phones that would work !
For both voice and data communications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if abenamer even knows what SIM cards are?
Does he know that they are subject to "approval" from the network?
So unless he wants to send a GSM network as well they are useless.
There are ways of spoofing and cloning of course, but that would also be quite simple to fix from an Iranian point of view; shut down the whole GSM phone network.
Of course if they gave them satellite phones that would work!
For both voice and data communications.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28449467</id>
	<title>balloon mesh network</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Something like this:<br>http://www.v3.co.uk/vnunet/news/2144393/wi-balloon-delivers-broadband</p><p>A series of balloons  launched in sequence using omni gain antennas at 5GHz to form a mesh backbone between them.<br>These 5GHz radios would be amp'ed up to 10 watts or so. The base station outside Iran would use high gain antennas to link up to 1 or more<br>of these balloons.  Each balloon has a patch antenna pointing down at 2.45GHz and would provide the range needed to connect with ppl on the ground. The launch site must be chosen carefully to make the balloons fly over populated areas. One would perhaps need some altitude control unit regulating the balloon pressure to maintain correct altitude to be within range for people with normal wifi gear to get connection. It's however very easy to make a 10dBi or so antenna for your wlan card on the ground to get a better/stable link.</p><p>The point here is not for US or anyone to root for one side or the other, but to provide the people of Iran the tools to organize and communicate<br>against the oppressing forces in their society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Something like this : http : //www.v3.co.uk/vnunet/news/2144393/wi-balloon-delivers-broadbandA series of balloons launched in sequence using omni gain antennas at 5GHz to form a mesh backbone between them.These 5GHz radios would be amp'ed up to 10 watts or so .
The base station outside Iran would use high gain antennas to link up to 1 or moreof these balloons .
Each balloon has a patch antenna pointing down at 2.45GHz and would provide the range needed to connect with ppl on the ground .
The launch site must be chosen carefully to make the balloons fly over populated areas .
One would perhaps need some altitude control unit regulating the balloon pressure to maintain correct altitude to be within range for people with normal wifi gear to get connection .
It 's however very easy to make a 10dBi or so antenna for your wlan card on the ground to get a better/stable link.The point here is not for US or anyone to root for one side or the other , but to provide the people of Iran the tools to organize and communicateagainst the oppressing forces in their society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something like this:http://www.v3.co.uk/vnunet/news/2144393/wi-balloon-delivers-broadbandA series of balloons  launched in sequence using omni gain antennas at 5GHz to form a mesh backbone between them.These 5GHz radios would be amp'ed up to 10 watts or so.
The base station outside Iran would use high gain antennas to link up to 1 or moreof these balloons.
Each balloon has a patch antenna pointing down at 2.45GHz and would provide the range needed to connect with ppl on the ground.
The launch site must be chosen carefully to make the balloons fly over populated areas.
One would perhaps need some altitude control unit regulating the balloon pressure to maintain correct altitude to be within range for people with normal wifi gear to get connection.
It's however very easy to make a 10dBi or so antenna for your wlan card on the ground to get a better/stable link.The point here is not for US or anyone to root for one side or the other, but to provide the people of Iran the tools to organize and communicateagainst the oppressing forces in their society.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441217</id>
	<title>Re:Ummm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245780780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So opposition forces could communicate with the outside world?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So opposition forces could communicate with the outside world ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So opposition forces could communicate with the outside world?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440957</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28445269</id>
	<title>Hot air balloons...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245751440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We could always just use hot air balloons like in this comic here... http://toblender.com/comic/?p=360</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We could always just use hot air balloons like in this comic here... http : //toblender.com/comic/ ? p = 360</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We could always just use hot air balloons like in this comic here... http://toblender.com/comic/?p=360</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28445867</id>
	<title>I don't know about YOUR Internet, but mine ...</title>
	<author>really?</author>
	<datestamp>1245753780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...requires two way communication. So, beaming whatever into Iran, even assuming it's the right thing to do, is easy. But unless they have a way to beam back<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... it's called "AM radio".</p><p>The answer to "proper" Internet access would depend on whether access is needed  "this week" "this month" or "this year". Also, access for a few? The many? etc, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...requires two way communication .
So , beaming whatever into Iran , even assuming it 's the right thing to do , is easy .
But unless they have a way to beam back ... it 's called " AM radio " .The answer to " proper " Internet access would depend on whether access is needed " this week " " this month " or " this year " .
Also , access for a few ?
The many ?
etc , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...requires two way communication.
So, beaming whatever into Iran, even assuming it's the right thing to do, is easy.
But unless they have a way to beam back ... it's called "AM radio".The answer to "proper" Internet access would depend on whether access is needed  "this week" "this month" or "this year".
Also, access for a few?
The many?
etc, etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441309</id>
	<title>Hardware necessity</title>
	<author>phantomcircuit</author>
	<datestamp>1245781140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The hardware necessary for them to acquire a signal from inside Iran to outside would be pretty damn obvious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The hardware necessary for them to acquire a signal from inside Iran to outside would be pretty damn obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hardware necessary for them to acquire a signal from inside Iran to outside would be pretty damn obvious.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28447455</id>
	<title>Shower them with AOL Discs</title>
	<author>droidsURlooking4</author>
	<datestamp>1245762060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They can all refer eachother and get 2 months free!</htmltext>
<tokenext>They can all refer eachother and get 2 months free !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They can all refer eachother and get 2 months free!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443135</id>
	<title>Answers the age old question</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1245787320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Q: Why do some camels have two humps?</p><p>A: Dual channel</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Q : Why do some camels have two humps ? A : Dual channel</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Q: Why do some camels have two humps?A: Dual channel</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440969</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441723</id>
	<title>Who asked that question...?</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1245782580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, he's a politician so we can make educated guesses about the depth of his knowledge.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , he 's a politician so we can make educated guesses about the depth of his knowledge .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, he's a politician so we can make educated guesses about the depth of his knowledge.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441131</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441631</id>
	<title>Typical Engineering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245782280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Before you even indulge in the technology, please think about the consequences of such actions and validate your claim/right to make such decisions on behalf of others. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Science in the past has repeatedly ignored this vital step; atomic bomb comes into mind. We invent destruction, ignoring what we all know to be harmful, we give blinding incomplete arguments in support of such creation. Once the damage has been done, we still do not confess our wrongs but rather satisfy our consciences with more illogical arguments full of IFs and BUTs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Before you even indulge in the technology , please think about the consequences of such actions and validate your claim/right to make such decisions on behalf of others .
Just because you can does n't mean you should .
Science in the past has repeatedly ignored this vital step ; atomic bomb comes into mind .
We invent destruction , ignoring what we all know to be harmful , we give blinding incomplete arguments in support of such creation .
Once the damage has been done , we still do not confess our wrongs but rather satisfy our consciences with more illogical arguments full of IFs and BUTs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before you even indulge in the technology, please think about the consequences of such actions and validate your claim/right to make such decisions on behalf of others.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Science in the past has repeatedly ignored this vital step; atomic bomb comes into mind.
We invent destruction, ignoring what we all know to be harmful, we give blinding incomplete arguments in support of such creation.
Once the damage has been done, we still do not confess our wrongs but rather satisfy our consciences with more illogical arguments full of IFs and BUTs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442933</id>
	<title>Re:Ummm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245786660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A good question. It's entirely possible to do so. I know of one company based out of mexico that does this, as well as a company that does it in various islands around asia-pac.  It's completely possible, you'll have around a six to ten second latency and you won't get anything like what we consider broadband. You'll see more like a T1 speed(1.54 Mbps)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A good question .
It 's entirely possible to do so .
I know of one company based out of mexico that does this , as well as a company that does it in various islands around asia-pac .
It 's completely possible , you 'll have around a six to ten second latency and you wo n't get anything like what we consider broadband .
You 'll see more like a T1 speed ( 1.54 Mbps )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A good question.
It's entirely possible to do so.
I know of one company based out of mexico that does this, as well as a company that does it in various islands around asia-pac.
It's completely possible, you'll have around a six to ten second latency and you won't get anything like what we consider broadband.
You'll see more like a T1 speed(1.54 Mbps)</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444385</id>
	<title>You're doing it wrong!</title>
	<author>gnarlyhotep</author>
	<datestamp>1245748320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can't beam a series of tubes!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't beam a series of tubes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't beam a series of tubes!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440911</id>
	<title>Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245779760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Nokia Siemens Networks, the joint venture of Siemens AG and Nokia Corp, provided the deep packet inspection monitoring center within the Iranian government's telecom monopoly as part of a larger contract with Iran that included mobile-phone networking technology, according to the following article:
<br> <br>
<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html" title="wsj.com" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html</a> [wsj.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia Siemens Networks , the joint venture of Siemens AG and Nokia Corp , provided the deep packet inspection monitoring center within the Iranian government 's telecom monopoly as part of a larger contract with Iran that included mobile-phone networking technology , according to the following article : http : //online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html [ wsj.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Nokia Siemens Networks, the joint venture of Siemens AG and Nokia Corp, provided the deep packet inspection monitoring center within the Iranian government's telecom monopoly as part of a larger contract with Iran that included mobile-phone networking technology, according to the following article:
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124562668777335653.html [wsj.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441655</id>
	<title>Re:Eh sonny?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245782400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But the phones are more powerful than the rifles!!!  Because it lets them spread ideas.  Any physical revolt would be squashed.  The mental/intellectual revolt will take time, and the best thing we can do, in Iran, North Korea, China, is to facilitate their westernization and the ease of information sharing between individuals.  That is the power of the internet.  It undermines the power of the media.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But the phones are more powerful than the rifles ! ! !
Because it lets them spread ideas .
Any physical revolt would be squashed .
The mental/intellectual revolt will take time , and the best thing we can do , in Iran , North Korea , China , is to facilitate their westernization and the ease of information sharing between individuals .
That is the power of the internet .
It undermines the power of the media .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the phones are more powerful than the rifles!!!
Because it lets them spread ideas.
Any physical revolt would be squashed.
The mental/intellectual revolt will take time, and the best thing we can do, in Iran, North Korea, China, is to facilitate their westernization and the ease of information sharing between individuals.
That is the power of the internet.
It undermines the power of the media.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441131</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443221</id>
	<title>Could they send back? YES! Easily</title>
	<author>Anubis IV</author>
	<datestamp>1245787620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>People here are saying it would be trivial for us to send, but difficult for the Iranians to respond. I think that's mistaken.
<br>
<br>
I recall seeing an extensive feature on TV a few months back regarding the illegal use of US satellites in Columbia by drug traffickers (I'd cite a source, but I'm afraid I can't find anything).  It turns out that with a few parts you could buy at the third-world equivalent of a Radio Shack, you can easily modify existing radio handsets to communicate via some of the older US satellites. Traffickers have been using this trick for several years now to evade the authorities by telling remote locations when they need to pack up and move out because raids are on the way.
<br>
<br>
From what I recall, the satellites can't be software patched to handle the issue, so the only way to stop the traffic is to get rid of the handsets, which is nearly impossible, since they're so cheap and easy to produce illegally. I don't see why it would be so difficult to slap a modem on it and turn it into a mobile satellite modem using a few spare parts and a couple hours of work if you knew what you were doing. Granted, it's not a private channel of communication, but it's something at least.</htmltext>
<tokenext>People here are saying it would be trivial for us to send , but difficult for the Iranians to respond .
I think that 's mistaken .
I recall seeing an extensive feature on TV a few months back regarding the illegal use of US satellites in Columbia by drug traffickers ( I 'd cite a source , but I 'm afraid I ca n't find anything ) .
It turns out that with a few parts you could buy at the third-world equivalent of a Radio Shack , you can easily modify existing radio handsets to communicate via some of the older US satellites .
Traffickers have been using this trick for several years now to evade the authorities by telling remote locations when they need to pack up and move out because raids are on the way .
From what I recall , the satellites ca n't be software patched to handle the issue , so the only way to stop the traffic is to get rid of the handsets , which is nearly impossible , since they 're so cheap and easy to produce illegally .
I do n't see why it would be so difficult to slap a modem on it and turn it into a mobile satellite modem using a few spare parts and a couple hours of work if you knew what you were doing .
Granted , it 's not a private channel of communication , but it 's something at least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People here are saying it would be trivial for us to send, but difficult for the Iranians to respond.
I think that's mistaken.
I recall seeing an extensive feature on TV a few months back regarding the illegal use of US satellites in Columbia by drug traffickers (I'd cite a source, but I'm afraid I can't find anything).
It turns out that with a few parts you could buy at the third-world equivalent of a Radio Shack, you can easily modify existing radio handsets to communicate via some of the older US satellites.
Traffickers have been using this trick for several years now to evade the authorities by telling remote locations when they need to pack up and move out because raids are on the way.
From what I recall, the satellites can't be software patched to handle the issue, so the only way to stop the traffic is to get rid of the handsets, which is nearly impossible, since they're so cheap and easy to produce illegally.
I don't see why it would be so difficult to slap a modem on it and turn it into a mobile satellite modem using a few spare parts and a couple hours of work if you knew what you were doing.
Granted, it's not a private channel of communication, but it's something at least.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441733</id>
	<title>Really big pringles cans.</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1245782640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or giant parrots on the hiltops, screaming in FSK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or giant parrots on the hiltops , screaming in FSK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or giant parrots on the hiltops, screaming in FSK.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444701</id>
	<title>Re:The Tor project is already doing this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245749520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You can't just throw internet into a country...."</p><p>Eureka!</p><p>Replace the discus toss with the "How far can you throw the reel of fiber cable"? competition at the next Oly games!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You ca n't just throw internet into a country.... " Eureka ! Replace the discus toss with the " How far can you throw the reel of fiber cable " ?
competition at the next Oly games !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You can't just throw internet into a country...."Eureka!Replace the discus toss with the "How far can you throw the reel of fiber cable"?
competition at the next Oly games!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28446835</id>
	<title>Re:Satellite Internet exists</title>
	<author>secretplans</author>
	<datestamp>1245758340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
I'm pretty certain the Wildblue FAP would get in the way.

"Death to the dic..."

"We're sorry but you've used too much internet this month. Please continue your revolution when you have returned your rolling usage to 80 percent."</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty certain the Wildblue FAP would get in the way .
" Death to the dic... " " We 're sorry but you 've used too much internet this month .
Please continue your revolution when you have returned your rolling usage to 80 percent .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I'm pretty certain the Wildblue FAP would get in the way.
"Death to the dic..."

"We're sorry but you've used too much internet this month.
Please continue your revolution when you have returned your rolling usage to 80 percent.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441161</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441131</id>
	<title>Eh sonny?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245780420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does whoever asked that question know absolutely nothing about how "beaming" works? We could easily transmit more or less whatever we like <i>down</i>; but that won't magically turn Iranian cell phones or wifi devices into satellite modems. You'd need to substantially change, and upgrade, the hardware that they are using for any sort of communication to be established.<br> <br>
And, if the plan is to provide large quantities of Officially Discouraged Hardware to all and sundry, we might as well just mix rifles in with the phones and call it a day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does whoever asked that question know absolutely nothing about how " beaming " works ?
We could easily transmit more or less whatever we like down ; but that wo n't magically turn Iranian cell phones or wifi devices into satellite modems .
You 'd need to substantially change , and upgrade , the hardware that they are using for any sort of communication to be established .
And , if the plan is to provide large quantities of Officially Discouraged Hardware to all and sundry , we might as well just mix rifles in with the phones and call it a day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does whoever asked that question know absolutely nothing about how "beaming" works?
We could easily transmit more or less whatever we like down; but that won't magically turn Iranian cell phones or wifi devices into satellite modems.
You'd need to substantially change, and upgrade, the hardware that they are using for any sort of communication to be established.
And, if the plan is to provide large quantities of Officially Discouraged Hardware to all and sundry, we might as well just mix rifles in with the phones and call it a day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441429</id>
	<title>Satellite Phone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just use a satellite phone w/ data connection.  Done.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just use a satellite phone w/ data connection .
Done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just use a satellite phone w/ data connection.
Done.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441155</id>
	<title>Lets not and say we did</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245780540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm for letting the world get a good dose of mullah rule without any 'help' from us.  They'll hate the west if we get involved, if we don't, if we caused the problem or if we're blameless.  Enjoy living at the pleasure of your preferred priests.  It makes good TV sometimes.</p><p>Keep in mind that the day your priesthood detonates its first test nuke you and yours go on the nuclear counterstrike target lists of the US, UK, France and Israel.  Right up near the top.  Good luck with that sons of Cyrus.</p><p>Allah Akbar!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm for letting the world get a good dose of mullah rule without any 'help ' from us .
They 'll hate the west if we get involved , if we do n't , if we caused the problem or if we 're blameless .
Enjoy living at the pleasure of your preferred priests .
It makes good TV sometimes.Keep in mind that the day your priesthood detonates its first test nuke you and yours go on the nuclear counterstrike target lists of the US , UK , France and Israel .
Right up near the top .
Good luck with that sons of Cyrus.Allah Akbar !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm for letting the world get a good dose of mullah rule without any 'help' from us.
They'll hate the west if we get involved, if we don't, if we caused the problem or if we're blameless.
Enjoy living at the pleasure of your preferred priests.
It makes good TV sometimes.Keep in mind that the day your priesthood detonates its first test nuke you and yours go on the nuclear counterstrike target lists of the US, UK, France and Israel.
Right up near the top.
Good luck with that sons of Cyrus.Allah Akbar!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28466067</id>
	<title>Huh what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245943200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>We are thinking of bringing broadband to the censored Iranians, but not the citizens of other censored countries? I love this slippery slope. No offense, but we apparently love pushing OUR values on others (but our justification is: in the name of peace)</htmltext>
<tokenext>We are thinking of bringing broadband to the censored Iranians , but not the citizens of other censored countries ?
I love this slippery slope .
No offense , but we apparently love pushing OUR values on others ( but our justification is : in the name of peace )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are thinking of bringing broadband to the censored Iranians, but not the citizens of other censored countries?
I love this slippery slope.
No offense, but we apparently love pushing OUR values on others (but our justification is: in the name of peace)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442259</id>
	<title>Re:DVB-S2/RCS or BGAN</title>
	<author>bmajik</author>
	<datestamp>1245784260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I've got a co-worker here who's very concerned about his Iranian family members back home, I was looking into this a bit.</p><p>VSAT or any of the small dishes of course work great technologically.  Except he tells me that satellite internet hardware is completely illegal in Iran.</p><p>Sorry - they already thought of it.</p><p>The interesting thing is that Iran has not shut down its internet egress/ingree entirely -- must be too dependant on it.  This has allowed clever people to make holes in the existing rules and communication \_is\_ happening.</p><p>It did get me thinking alot about satellite internet here in the US though.</p><p>I also thought a bit about amateur radio or radio packet relay approaches.  Here in the US there are a ton of HAMs that can get any message anywhere in the US no matter how much of the rest of American society has collapsed.  But i could find no evidence of amateur radio or repeaters or anything else in Iran.</p><p>People in the US should start thinking about no-point-of-failure, not-subject-to-US-rules ways of accessing the internet, even here in the US.  Not to download torrents, but to send emails like "we are still alive" or "the strange helicopters you can see but not hear are still hovering near the intersectino of 8th and Grand ave."   Packet radio seems like a good mechanism for this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I 've got a co-worker here who 's very concerned about his Iranian family members back home , I was looking into this a bit.VSAT or any of the small dishes of course work great technologically .
Except he tells me that satellite internet hardware is completely illegal in Iran.Sorry - they already thought of it.The interesting thing is that Iran has not shut down its internet egress/ingree entirely -- must be too dependant on it .
This has allowed clever people to make holes in the existing rules and communication \ _is \ _ happening.It did get me thinking alot about satellite internet here in the US though.I also thought a bit about amateur radio or radio packet relay approaches .
Here in the US there are a ton of HAMs that can get any message anywhere in the US no matter how much of the rest of American society has collapsed .
But i could find no evidence of amateur radio or repeaters or anything else in Iran.People in the US should start thinking about no-point-of-failure , not-subject-to-US-rules ways of accessing the internet , even here in the US .
Not to download torrents , but to send emails like " we are still alive " or " the strange helicopters you can see but not hear are still hovering near the intersectino of 8th and Grand ave. " Packet radio seems like a good mechanism for this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I've got a co-worker here who's very concerned about his Iranian family members back home, I was looking into this a bit.VSAT or any of the small dishes of course work great technologically.
Except he tells me that satellite internet hardware is completely illegal in Iran.Sorry - they already thought of it.The interesting thing is that Iran has not shut down its internet egress/ingree entirely -- must be too dependant on it.
This has allowed clever people to make holes in the existing rules and communication \_is\_ happening.It did get me thinking alot about satellite internet here in the US though.I also thought a bit about amateur radio or radio packet relay approaches.
Here in the US there are a ton of HAMs that can get any message anywhere in the US no matter how much of the rest of American society has collapsed.
But i could find no evidence of amateur radio or repeaters or anything else in Iran.People in the US should start thinking about no-point-of-failure, not-subject-to-US-rules ways of accessing the internet, even here in the US.
Not to download torrents, but to send emails like "we are still alive" or "the strange helicopters you can see but not hear are still hovering near the intersectino of 8th and Grand ave."   Packet radio seems like a good mechanism for this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441333</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441179</id>
	<title>Use Wildblue</title>
	<author>bzzfzz</author>
	<datestamp>1245780660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://www.wildblue.com/" title="wildblue.com">WildBlue</a> [wildblue.com] provides satellite service throughout most of the U.S.  Speeds, low.  Latency, high.  Gaming, impossible.  But at least it works.</p><p>I believe that they use <a href="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Low\_Earth\_orbit" title="wikimedia.org">low earth orbit</a> [wikimedia.org] satellites, which means that they may not have the technical capability to provide coverage over Iran, at least not all the time.  And then there's the matter of getting ground stations smuggled in and installed, and they're large enough (the size of a DirectTV dish) to be difficult to conceal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WildBlue [ wildblue.com ] provides satellite service throughout most of the U.S. Speeds , low .
Latency , high .
Gaming , impossible .
But at least it works.I believe that they use low earth orbit [ wikimedia.org ] satellites , which means that they may not have the technical capability to provide coverage over Iran , at least not all the time .
And then there 's the matter of getting ground stations smuggled in and installed , and they 're large enough ( the size of a DirectTV dish ) to be difficult to conceal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> WildBlue [wildblue.com] provides satellite service throughout most of the U.S.  Speeds, low.
Latency, high.
Gaming, impossible.
But at least it works.I believe that they use low earth orbit [wikimedia.org] satellites, which means that they may not have the technical capability to provide coverage over Iran, at least not all the time.
And then there's the matter of getting ground stations smuggled in and installed, and they're large enough (the size of a DirectTV dish) to be difficult to conceal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444423</id>
	<title>As usual "It Depends"</title>
	<author>Venotar</author>
	<datestamp>1245748500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In theory, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimax#Limitations" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">WIMAX can give you usable (if somewhat slow) speeds out to 50km</a> [wikipedia.org] - which might get some villages close to Iran's borders but won't help Tehran at all.</p><p>Anyone who has the right sort of CPE, the right knowledge, and proper credentials can use a dish subscriber network to get as much as 2mbps down and 1mbps up.  The latency blows, but it's not like the service is meant for playing the latest FPS.  The big downside is the customer equipment - satellite dishes are thick on the ground in most areas of the middle east, but I'd be a little surprised if enough of them are the right sort of dish to matter.  If they are, it may not matter - Iran's been taking various <a href="http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/06/tehrans-war-satellite-dishes" title="motherjones.com" rel="nofollow">measures</a> [motherjones.com] to <a href="http://www.rferl.org/content/Iran\_Jams\_Foreign\_Satellite\_News\_In\_Bid\_To\_Isolate\_Public/1761064.html" title="rferl.org" rel="nofollow">reduce citizen's access to satellites</a> [rferl.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In theory , WIMAX can give you usable ( if somewhat slow ) speeds out to 50km [ wikipedia.org ] - which might get some villages close to Iran 's borders but wo n't help Tehran at all.Anyone who has the right sort of CPE , the right knowledge , and proper credentials can use a dish subscriber network to get as much as 2mbps down and 1mbps up .
The latency blows , but it 's not like the service is meant for playing the latest FPS .
The big downside is the customer equipment - satellite dishes are thick on the ground in most areas of the middle east , but I 'd be a little surprised if enough of them are the right sort of dish to matter .
If they are , it may not matter - Iran 's been taking various measures [ motherjones.com ] to reduce citizen 's access to satellites [ rferl.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In theory, WIMAX can give you usable (if somewhat slow) speeds out to 50km [wikipedia.org] - which might get some villages close to Iran's borders but won't help Tehran at all.Anyone who has the right sort of CPE, the right knowledge, and proper credentials can use a dish subscriber network to get as much as 2mbps down and 1mbps up.
The latency blows, but it's not like the service is meant for playing the latest FPS.
The big downside is the customer equipment - satellite dishes are thick on the ground in most areas of the middle east, but I'd be a little surprised if enough of them are the right sort of dish to matter.
If they are, it may not matter - Iran's been taking various measures [motherjones.com] to reduce citizen's access to satellites [rferl.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28448297</id>
	<title>the locals have turned...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245769800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!!!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BEAM ME UP SCOTTY ! ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BEAM ME UP SCOTTY!!!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28446379</id>
	<title>3G</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245756000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do they even have 3G?</p></div><p>You could ask the same question about the US. *ducks*</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they even have 3G ? You could ask the same question about the US .
* ducks *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they even have 3G?You could ask the same question about the US.
*ducks*
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441945</id>
	<title>Re:Ummm</title>
	<author>Bill\_the\_Engineer</author>
	<datestamp>1245783240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Really? So how does the "have nots" get the government to pay the bill?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
So how does the " have nots " get the government to pay the bill ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
So how does the "have nots" get the government to pay the bill?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441027</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441347</id>
	<title>Re:Use Wildblue</title>
	<author>Spazmania</author>
	<datestamp>1245781380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.wildblue.com/aboutWildblue/how\_it\_works\_demo.jsp" title="wildblue.com">http://www.wildblue.com/aboutWildblue/how\_it\_works\_demo.jsp</a> [wildblue.com]</p><p><em>WildBlue's two satellites, located 22,500 miles above the Earth's equator in geostationary orbit</em></p><p>So no, that isn't LEO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.wildblue.com/aboutWildblue/how \ _it \ _works \ _demo.jsp [ wildblue.com ] WildBlue 's two satellites , located 22,500 miles above the Earth 's equator in geostationary orbitSo no , that is n't LEO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.wildblue.com/aboutWildblue/how\_it\_works\_demo.jsp [wildblue.com]WildBlue's two satellites, located 22,500 miles above the Earth's equator in geostationary orbitSo no, that isn't LEO.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441179</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443749</id>
	<title>Re:SIM cards would not work</title>
	<author>abenamer</author>
	<datestamp>1245789480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, I know what SIM cards. I would think you would know what sarcasm was.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I know what SIM cards .
I would think you would know what sarcasm was .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I know what SIM cards.
I would think you would know what sarcasm was.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441161</id>
	<title>Satellite Internet exists</title>
	<author>Delwin</author>
	<datestamp>1245780600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>There's a number of places that offer satellite internet to geosync satellites.

<a href="http://www.wildblue.com/aboutWildblue/how\_it\_works\_demo.jsp" title="wildblue.com">http://www.wildblue.com/aboutWildblue/how\_it\_works\_demo.jsp</a> [wildblue.com]

<a href="http://www.ussatellite.com/how-satellite-internet-works.html" title="ussatellite.com">http://www.ussatellite.com/how-satellite-internet-works.html</a> [ussatellite.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a number of places that offer satellite internet to geosync satellites .
http : //www.wildblue.com/aboutWildblue/how \ _it \ _works \ _demo.jsp [ wildblue.com ] http : //www.ussatellite.com/how-satellite-internet-works.html [ ussatellite.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a number of places that offer satellite internet to geosync satellites.
http://www.wildblue.com/aboutWildblue/how\_it\_works\_demo.jsp [wildblue.com]

http://www.ussatellite.com/how-satellite-internet-works.html [ussatellite.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441333</id>
	<title>DVB-S2/RCS or BGAN</title>
	<author>Bluefirebird</author>
	<datestamp>1245781320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are two possible technologies (among other similar ones)
<br> <br>
With <b>DVB-S2/RCS</b> you have a bidirectional satellite system that requires a 1.2 meter dish antenna and a satellite terminal composed of an indoor unit (about the size of a bulky cable-modem) and an outdoor unit (transmitter and receiver horn mounted on the focus point of the satellite dish. This costs around US$1000 dollars and it takes about 30min to install (if you are an experienced installer).
<br> <br>
With <b>BGAN</b> you have a very portable terminal (about the size of a netbook) that only requires you to point it in the general vicinity of the satellite location in the horizon.
<br> <br>
Both systems use GEO (geostationary) satellites, which means that they have a fixed location in the horizon. They are actually located over the equator (0&#194; latitude) and they orbit the earth in 24h cycles, thus appearing to be stationary.
<br>
With <b>DVB-S2/RCS</b> you can have a 50Mbit/s in the downlink, although most services provide less than 10Mbit/s. The usually upload speed is 1Mbit/s. This speeds are shared between all terminals within a beam (similar to Internet over cable, where you share your Internet within a residential area of about 1000 persons).
 <br>
With <b>BGAN</b> you only have 492Kbit/s in both the downlink and uplink. On the other hand, it is designed for mobility.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are two possible technologies ( among other similar ones ) With DVB-S2/RCS you have a bidirectional satellite system that requires a 1.2 meter dish antenna and a satellite terminal composed of an indoor unit ( about the size of a bulky cable-modem ) and an outdoor unit ( transmitter and receiver horn mounted on the focus point of the satellite dish .
This costs around US $ 1000 dollars and it takes about 30min to install ( if you are an experienced installer ) .
With BGAN you have a very portable terminal ( about the size of a netbook ) that only requires you to point it in the general vicinity of the satellite location in the horizon .
Both systems use GEO ( geostationary ) satellites , which means that they have a fixed location in the horizon .
They are actually located over the equator ( 0   latitude ) and they orbit the earth in 24h cycles , thus appearing to be stationary .
With DVB-S2/RCS you can have a 50Mbit/s in the downlink , although most services provide less than 10Mbit/s .
The usually upload speed is 1Mbit/s .
This speeds are shared between all terminals within a beam ( similar to Internet over cable , where you share your Internet within a residential area of about 1000 persons ) .
With BGAN you only have 492Kbit/s in both the downlink and uplink .
On the other hand , it is designed for mobility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are two possible technologies (among other similar ones)
 
With DVB-S2/RCS you have a bidirectional satellite system that requires a 1.2 meter dish antenna and a satellite terminal composed of an indoor unit (about the size of a bulky cable-modem) and an outdoor unit (transmitter and receiver horn mounted on the focus point of the satellite dish.
This costs around US$1000 dollars and it takes about 30min to install (if you are an experienced installer).
With BGAN you have a very portable terminal (about the size of a netbook) that only requires you to point it in the general vicinity of the satellite location in the horizon.
Both systems use GEO (geostationary) satellites, which means that they have a fixed location in the horizon.
They are actually located over the equator (0Â latitude) and they orbit the earth in 24h cycles, thus appearing to be stationary.
With DVB-S2/RCS you can have a 50Mbit/s in the downlink, although most services provide less than 10Mbit/s.
The usually upload speed is 1Mbit/s.
This speeds are shared between all terminals within a beam (similar to Internet over cable, where you share your Internet within a residential area of about 1000 persons).
With BGAN you only have 492Kbit/s in both the downlink and uplink.
On the other hand, it is designed for mobility.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441343</id>
	<title>Re:Ummm</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1245781380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think maybe he was using a different definition of have than you. $60 a month with a 2 year minimum contract is quite a bit of money for some people (along with an upfront fee or increased monthly price).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think maybe he was using a different definition of have than you .
$ 60 a month with a 2 year minimum contract is quite a bit of money for some people ( along with an upfront fee or increased monthly price ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think maybe he was using a different definition of have than you.
$60 a month with a 2 year minimum contract is quite a bit of money for some people (along with an upfront fee or increased monthly price).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441027</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443431</id>
	<title>Could you stop interfering in foreign elections?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245788400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, it didn't work out too well the last time you guys did it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , it did n't work out too well the last time you guys did it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, it didn't work out too well the last time you guys did it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441209</id>
	<title>Yes, but</title>
	<author>Spazmania</author>
	<datestamp>1245780720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, we could beam a high-power 802.11 service into at least the border regions of Iran and we could use well enough focused antenna arrays to pick up the wimpy signals their 802.11 cards sent back. And the nature of spread spectrum is such that they'd have a devil of a time jamming it.</p><p>The problem is, the friendly policefolk in Iran would be able to pick up the wimpy 802.11 signals as well, and trace them right back to the Iranians who are transmitting. It isn't like an AM radio signal where the receivers are, in a practical sense, untraceable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , we could beam a high-power 802.11 service into at least the border regions of Iran and we could use well enough focused antenna arrays to pick up the wimpy signals their 802.11 cards sent back .
And the nature of spread spectrum is such that they 'd have a devil of a time jamming it.The problem is , the friendly policefolk in Iran would be able to pick up the wimpy 802.11 signals as well , and trace them right back to the Iranians who are transmitting .
It is n't like an AM radio signal where the receivers are , in a practical sense , untraceable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, we could beam a high-power 802.11 service into at least the border regions of Iran and we could use well enough focused antenna arrays to pick up the wimpy signals their 802.11 cards sent back.
And the nature of spread spectrum is such that they'd have a devil of a time jamming it.The problem is, the friendly policefolk in Iran would be able to pick up the wimpy 802.11 signals as well, and trace them right back to the Iranians who are transmitting.
It isn't like an AM radio signal where the receivers are, in a practical sense, untraceable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441695</id>
	<title>Re:Don't do anything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245782520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The world has been clamoring for you guys to stop meddling in their affairs and only mind your own. So I suggest that you should do just that: it will cost you nothing and you won't generate any further ill will towards you. What's not to like?<br>Maybe people will change their mind or maybe they won't, either way you'll be covered.</p></div><p>Pity the US didn't learn to do just that in 1941.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The world has been clamoring for you guys to stop meddling in their affairs and only mind your own .
So I suggest that you should do just that : it will cost you nothing and you wo n't generate any further ill will towards you .
What 's not to like ? Maybe people will change their mind or maybe they wo n't , either way you 'll be covered.Pity the US did n't learn to do just that in 1941 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The world has been clamoring for you guys to stop meddling in their affairs and only mind your own.
So I suggest that you should do just that: it will cost you nothing and you won't generate any further ill will towards you.
What's not to like?Maybe people will change their mind or maybe they won't, either way you'll be covered.Pity the US didn't learn to do just that in 1941.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442561</id>
	<title>What a *great* idea</title>
	<author>goffster</author>
	<datestamp>1245785400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And while we are at it, can we beam these "censorship free"<br>signals here to the rest of the so called "free world" where<br>our freedom of speech is under constant attack?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And while we are at it , can we beam these " censorship free " signals here to the rest of the so called " free world " whereour freedom of speech is under constant attack ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And while we are at it, can we beam these "censorship free"signals here to the rest of the so called "free world" whereour freedom of speech is under constant attack?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443217</id>
	<title>That's what I thought when I read the question</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1245787560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>And, if the plan is to provide large quantities of Officially Discouraged Hardware to all and sundry, we might as well just mix rifles in with the phones and call it a day.</i></p><p>I had the exact same thought.  I fully encourage the protesters and express my support, but if we start airdropping satellite internet equipment we have officially crossed the line into the dreaded Meddling category.</p><p>Now maybe we should send that (along with the rifles) but that's a whole different discussion!!</p><p>Someday in the future there will be Quantum Twitterers that let you twitter from anywhere to a secure facility, but we are not there yet.  Until then, you need a network to reach others...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And , if the plan is to provide large quantities of Officially Discouraged Hardware to all and sundry , we might as well just mix rifles in with the phones and call it a day.I had the exact same thought .
I fully encourage the protesters and express my support , but if we start airdropping satellite internet equipment we have officially crossed the line into the dreaded Meddling category.Now maybe we should send that ( along with the rifles ) but that 's a whole different discussion !
! Someday in the future there will be Quantum Twitterers that let you twitter from anywhere to a secure facility , but we are not there yet .
Until then , you need a network to reach others.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And, if the plan is to provide large quantities of Officially Discouraged Hardware to all and sundry, we might as well just mix rifles in with the phones and call it a day.I had the exact same thought.
I fully encourage the protesters and express my support, but if we start airdropping satellite internet equipment we have officially crossed the line into the dreaded Meddling category.Now maybe we should send that (along with the rifles) but that's a whole different discussion!
!Someday in the future there will be Quantum Twitterers that let you twitter from anywhere to a secure facility, but we are not there yet.
Until then, you need a network to reach others...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441131</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28451997</id>
	<title>Re:Ummm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245856260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>absolutely. Let's be serious, other than getting Iran's oil, why would the US want to help???</p><p>I'm always shocked by the US pretending to generously help when all their government and big companies just want more wealth and power.</p><p>You already have Afghanistan and Irak to mess with, leave iran alone please.</p><p>Remember that today's crisis is not just because of the banks, it's also because of the wars the US is fighting.</p><p>I know thousands were killed in the twin towers and it is sad, but how many more death were caused by the US's answer.<br>Okay, I'm getting off topic<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>absolutely .
Let 's be serious , other than getting Iran 's oil , why would the US want to help ? ?
? I 'm always shocked by the US pretending to generously help when all their government and big companies just want more wealth and power.You already have Afghanistan and Irak to mess with , leave iran alone please.Remember that today 's crisis is not just because of the banks , it 's also because of the wars the US is fighting.I know thousands were killed in the twin towers and it is sad , but how many more death were caused by the US 's answer.Okay , I 'm getting off topic .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>absolutely.
Let's be serious, other than getting Iran's oil, why would the US want to help??
?I'm always shocked by the US pretending to generously help when all their government and big companies just want more wealth and power.You already have Afghanistan and Irak to mess with, leave iran alone please.Remember that today's crisis is not just because of the banks, it's also because of the wars the US is fighting.I know thousands were killed in the twin towers and it is sad, but how many more death were caused by the US's answer.Okay, I'm getting off topic ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441523</id>
	<title>Any historians in the audience?</title>
	<author>jerhurwitz</author>
	<datestamp>1245781920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Where there any revolutions recorded in history before the internet existed? Sorry if this seems like a dumb question. Maybe someone is doing their thesis on it or something.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where there any revolutions recorded in history before the internet existed ?
Sorry if this seems like a dumb question .
Maybe someone is doing their thesis on it or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where there any revolutions recorded in history before the internet existed?
Sorry if this seems like a dumb question.
Maybe someone is doing their thesis on it or something.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443193</id>
	<title>Re:An extention of the Sharks with Lasers Idea...</title>
	<author>mhall119</author>
	<datestamp>1245787440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Virtudyne\_0x3a\_\_The\_Digital\_Donkey.aspx" title="thedailywtf.com">Digital Donkeys!</a> [thedailywtf.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Digital Donkeys !
[ thedailywtf.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Digital Donkeys!
[thedailywtf.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440969</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442101</id>
	<title>Re:Google it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A few years ago a few middle easterners approached me in Northern Virginia with an idea they had.  They wanted to buy high speed cable connections here in the states and route the bandwidth over there via VPNs because internet is expensive in the middle-east and they wanted to resell it at a profit. They looked very disappointed when I explained why it would not work.</p><p>Missing\_dc posting AC in a public place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A few years ago a few middle easterners approached me in Northern Virginia with an idea they had .
They wanted to buy high speed cable connections here in the states and route the bandwidth over there via VPNs because internet is expensive in the middle-east and they wanted to resell it at a profit .
They looked very disappointed when I explained why it would not work.Missing \ _dc posting AC in a public place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few years ago a few middle easterners approached me in Northern Virginia with an idea they had.
They wanted to buy high speed cable connections here in the states and route the bandwidth over there via VPNs because internet is expensive in the middle-east and they wanted to resell it at a profit.
They looked very disappointed when I explained why it would not work.Missing\_dc posting AC in a public place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441173</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443307</id>
	<title>Re:An extention of the Sharks with Lasers Idea...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245787920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Meh... TCP/IP over pigeon^Wcamel carrier will do</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh... TCP/IP over pigeon ^ Wcamel carrier will do</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh... TCP/IP over pigeon^Wcamel carrier will do</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440969</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443375</id>
	<title>Re:The question is wrong. Let Iranians figure it o</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245788160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There's a reason we propped up the Shah. And there a reason we went into Iraq. There's a reason we're in Afghanistan. Everything has to do with resource control. Meddling with Iran has less to do with defeating evil, and more to do with destabilization.</p></div><p>Well, at least you didn't continue that ludicrous diatribe of "we're stealing their oil!!!"  As though we don't pay top dollar (along with the rest of the World) for every barrel we use.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a reason we propped up the Shah .
And there a reason we went into Iraq .
There 's a reason we 're in Afghanistan .
Everything has to do with resource control .
Meddling with Iran has less to do with defeating evil , and more to do with destabilization.Well , at least you did n't continue that ludicrous diatribe of " we 're stealing their oil ! ! !
" As though we do n't pay top dollar ( along with the rest of the World ) for every barrel we use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a reason we propped up the Shah.
And there a reason we went into Iraq.
There's a reason we're in Afghanistan.
Everything has to do with resource control.
Meddling with Iran has less to do with defeating evil, and more to do with destabilization.Well, at least you didn't continue that ludicrous diatribe of "we're stealing their oil!!!
"  As though we don't pay top dollar (along with the rest of the World) for every barrel we use.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442899</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28448337</id>
	<title>Re:The question is wrong. Let Iranians figure it o</title>
	<author>xkcdFan1011011101111</author>
	<datestamp>1245770280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Revolutions usually have substantial external influences.</p><p>American Revolution: the American founding fathers were partially armed, equipped, and funded by the French who at the time were all about meddling with England.</p><p>American Civil War: the United States worked very hard to prevent the British from supplying the Confederate States.  A lack of supplies, weapons, and trade partners on the Confederate front and the industrial prowess of the North are thought to be some of the deciding factors in the war.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Revolutions usually have substantial external influences.American Revolution : the American founding fathers were partially armed , equipped , and funded by the French who at the time were all about meddling with England.American Civil War : the United States worked very hard to prevent the British from supplying the Confederate States .
A lack of supplies , weapons , and trade partners on the Confederate front and the industrial prowess of the North are thought to be some of the deciding factors in the war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Revolutions usually have substantial external influences.American Revolution: the American founding fathers were partially armed, equipped, and funded by the French who at the time were all about meddling with England.American Civil War: the United States worked very hard to prevent the British from supplying the Confederate States.
A lack of supplies, weapons, and trade partners on the Confederate front and the industrial prowess of the North are thought to be some of the deciding factors in the war.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441721</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28452973</id>
	<title>Re:The question is wrong. Let Iranians figure it o</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1245860700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you make his point for him with the quote you supplied. "The Americans formed an alliance with France "  Note that France did not invade, but the Americans worked with the French to form an Alliance.  Also note that the conflict you reference there is not quite the same thing.  Separatists in England trying to secede from England or overthrow the English gov't would be a closer analogy.  A remote colony seeking independence might be philosophically the same (freedom) but not geo-politically the same because it's a separate, distant geographical region seeking independence/gov't overthrow.</p><p>I know where you were going on this but you analogy doesn't seem to quite fit.  I think the poster has a good point in that the people of Iran must be fed up enough to lay their lives on the line in the interests of freedom before any intervention/support from us will be welcome or useful.  I say we try to ensure that people have access to information, but otherwise keep out of it.  The US has done enough nation building (or destroying) in the last few decades, and I think we should take some time off from "promoting freedom" (or whatever the current political catchphrase designed to pacify the blindly patriotic and weak-minded) and turn our resources to fixing/restoring some freedoms here at home that seem to have been eroded lately.  Sort of a "physician heal thyself" approach before we meddle any more.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you make his point for him with the quote you supplied .
" The Americans formed an alliance with France " Note that France did not invade , but the Americans worked with the French to form an Alliance .
Also note that the conflict you reference there is not quite the same thing .
Separatists in England trying to secede from England or overthrow the English gov't would be a closer analogy .
A remote colony seeking independence might be philosophically the same ( freedom ) but not geo-politically the same because it 's a separate , distant geographical region seeking independence/gov't overthrow.I know where you were going on this but you analogy does n't seem to quite fit .
I think the poster has a good point in that the people of Iran must be fed up enough to lay their lives on the line in the interests of freedom before any intervention/support from us will be welcome or useful .
I say we try to ensure that people have access to information , but otherwise keep out of it .
The US has done enough nation building ( or destroying ) in the last few decades , and I think we should take some time off from " promoting freedom " ( or whatever the current political catchphrase designed to pacify the blindly patriotic and weak-minded ) and turn our resources to fixing/restoring some freedoms here at home that seem to have been eroded lately .
Sort of a " physician heal thyself " approach before we meddle any more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you make his point for him with the quote you supplied.
"The Americans formed an alliance with France "  Note that France did not invade, but the Americans worked with the French to form an Alliance.
Also note that the conflict you reference there is not quite the same thing.
Separatists in England trying to secede from England or overthrow the English gov't would be a closer analogy.
A remote colony seeking independence might be philosophically the same (freedom) but not geo-politically the same because it's a separate, distant geographical region seeking independence/gov't overthrow.I know where you were going on this but you analogy doesn't seem to quite fit.
I think the poster has a good point in that the people of Iran must be fed up enough to lay their lives on the line in the interests of freedom before any intervention/support from us will be welcome or useful.
I say we try to ensure that people have access to information, but otherwise keep out of it.
The US has done enough nation building (or destroying) in the last few decades, and I think we should take some time off from "promoting freedom" (or whatever the current political catchphrase designed to pacify the blindly patriotic and weak-minded) and turn our resources to fixing/restoring some freedoms here at home that seem to have been eroded lately.
Sort of a "physician heal thyself" approach before we meddle any more.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444231</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441871</id>
	<title>Re:SIM cards would not work</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1245783060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Valid foreign SIM cards would work, providing the foreign carrier has a roaming agreement in place and people had unlocked devices... at least until the local network operator caught on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Valid foreign SIM cards would work , providing the foreign carrier has a roaming agreement in place and people had unlocked devices... at least until the local network operator caught on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Valid foreign SIM cards would work, providing the foreign carrier has a roaming agreement in place and people had unlocked devices... at least until the local network operator caught on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442753</id>
	<title>Re:The question is wrong. Let Iranians figure it o</title>
	<author>digitalsolo</author>
	<datestamp>1245786000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We have to sit back and watch. Otherwise, it won't stick</p></div><p>
Not to split hairs, but Iran's governments haven't proven particularly sticky, regardless of our (or anyone else's) attempts to fiddle with them.
<br>
<br>
That said, I do agree with your sentiment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have to sit back and watch .
Otherwise , it wo n't stick Not to split hairs , but Iran 's governments have n't proven particularly sticky , regardless of our ( or anyone else 's ) attempts to fiddle with them .
That said , I do agree with your sentiment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have to sit back and watch.
Otherwise, it won't stick
Not to split hairs, but Iran's governments haven't proven particularly sticky, regardless of our (or anyone else's) attempts to fiddle with them.
That said, I do agree with your sentiment.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441721</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444639</id>
	<title>Re:The question is wrong. Let Iranians figure it o</title>
	<author>Ornedan</author>
	<datestamp>1245749280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The situations are largely different in Iran currently vs America during the independence. And there is also the very important matter of US having interfered with Iran before, with negative consequences for the people in general. So interfering in favor of the opposition would pretty much kill their support from the general public - in Iran, US-backing means US-puppet and they have no reason to believe it would be different this time. Hell, probably the best way for US to support the opposition would be to declare support for the government, though how you'd do that and still be believable I have no idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The situations are largely different in Iran currently vs America during the independence .
And there is also the very important matter of US having interfered with Iran before , with negative consequences for the people in general .
So interfering in favor of the opposition would pretty much kill their support from the general public - in Iran , US-backing means US-puppet and they have no reason to believe it would be different this time .
Hell , probably the best way for US to support the opposition would be to declare support for the government , though how you 'd do that and still be believable I have no idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The situations are largely different in Iran currently vs America during the independence.
And there is also the very important matter of US having interfered with Iran before, with negative consequences for the people in general.
So interfering in favor of the opposition would pretty much kill their support from the general public - in Iran, US-backing means US-puppet and they have no reason to believe it would be different this time.
Hell, probably the best way for US to support the opposition would be to declare support for the government, though how you'd do that and still be believable I have no idea.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444231</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441791</id>
	<title>Re:Nokia / Siemens could provide an answer</title>
	<author>Wingman 5</author>
	<datestamp>1245782760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yea, and IBM built counting machines for the Nazis to count "Prisoners"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea , and IBM built counting machines for the Nazis to count " Prisoners "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea, and IBM built counting machines for the Nazis to count "Prisoners"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442003</id>
	<title>Re:An extention of the Sharks with Lasers Idea...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are camels a sort of camouflage now ?<br>You know they have cars in Iran for normal transportation needs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are camels a sort of camouflage now ? You know they have cars in Iran for normal transportation needs .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are camels a sort of camouflage now ?You know they have cars in Iran for normal transportation needs ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28440969</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444043</id>
	<title>Re:The question is wrong. Let Iranians figure it o</title>
	<author>stubob</author>
	<datestamp>1245790440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...Revolutions come from within, which is why we're spending trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>Not sure I follow that logic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...Revolutions come from within , which is why we 're spending trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan .
...Not sure I follow that logic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Revolutions come from within, which is why we're spending trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan.
...Not sure I follow that logic.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441721</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442193</id>
	<title>Re:Don't do anything</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245784020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are too many people in the U.S. and UK who are WAY too into meddling in this fight. This is something the Iranians have to do or not do on their own. Nothing good can come of western meddling in this case. It will only give the Ahmadinejad regime an excuse to crack down on the dissenters as western-sponsored traitors. Even in the best case scenarios, the people we help will likely only resent us for it in the end (since it will taint their movement with the possibility that it was just some CIA sponsored coup, instead of a legitimate grass roots movement).
</p><p>
The best thing the west can do right now is to stay out of it and stfu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are too many people in the U.S. and UK who are WAY too into meddling in this fight .
This is something the Iranians have to do or not do on their own .
Nothing good can come of western meddling in this case .
It will only give the Ahmadinejad regime an excuse to crack down on the dissenters as western-sponsored traitors .
Even in the best case scenarios , the people we help will likely only resent us for it in the end ( since it will taint their movement with the possibility that it was just some CIA sponsored coup , instead of a legitimate grass roots movement ) .
The best thing the west can do right now is to stay out of it and stfu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are too many people in the U.S. and UK who are WAY too into meddling in this fight.
This is something the Iranians have to do or not do on their own.
Nothing good can come of western meddling in this case.
It will only give the Ahmadinejad regime an excuse to crack down on the dissenters as western-sponsored traitors.
Even in the best case scenarios, the people we help will likely only resent us for it in the end (since it will taint their movement with the possibility that it was just some CIA sponsored coup, instead of a legitimate grass roots movement).
The best thing the west can do right now is to stay out of it and stfu.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441303</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28443773</id>
	<title>Could we?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1245789540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure we could, hell we already do with satellites..</p><p>Bigger question is should we. They are a sovereign nation, don't they have a right to decide what their people have access to? And if you say no they don't have a right, i bet you would be opposed to another nation telling YOU what you can and cant get access to.  Cant have it both ways.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure we could , hell we already do with satellites..Bigger question is should we .
They are a sovereign nation , do n't they have a right to decide what their people have access to ?
And if you say no they do n't have a right , i bet you would be opposed to another nation telling YOU what you can and cant get access to .
Cant have it both ways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure we could, hell we already do with satellites..Bigger question is should we.
They are a sovereign nation, don't they have a right to decide what their people have access to?
And if you say no they don't have a right, i bet you would be opposed to another nation telling YOU what you can and cant get access to.
Cant have it both ways.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28450213</id>
	<title>Re:Internet, no. But maybe more satellite TV.</title>
	<author>JumperCable</author>
	<datestamp>1245835200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Iranian government has been going door to door smashing satellite dishes to limit news from outside their control.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Iranian government has been going door to door smashing satellite dishes to limit news from outside their control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Iranian government has been going door to door smashing satellite dishes to limit news from outside their control.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441483</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28445887</id>
	<title>Re:Ummm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245753840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>oh yeah?!!!,... go scour the beaches of long island and the jersey shore.<br>NY's got "Italian Crude"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>oh yeah ? ! ! ! ,.. .
go scour the beaches of long island and the jersey shore.NY 's got " Italian Crude "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>oh yeah?!!!,...
go scour the beaches of long island and the jersey shore.NY's got "Italian Crude"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28449157</id>
	<title>ballon with cantenna</title>
	<author>fadethepolice</author>
	<datestamp>1245779400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I absolutely had to get information into iran via satellite I would do it this way:

create a system that broadcasts via satellite into iran a set of websites / tv stations / misc. news outlets that is reflective of demand for news in iran.

The request side of this system could be composed of:

continuously rotating proxies (freenet?)
ip dns requests via shortwave
ip dns requests via satellite
ip dns requests via cellphone
ip dns requests via point to point transmission to afghanistan / persin gulf where possible

There would have to be designed a software suite capable of amalgamating various sources of demand for news from various sources that could be dynamic.

The satellite would then broadcast the information most in demand from the people within iran.

with the prohibitive cost of satellites it might be more pragmatic to float high altitude balloons over the persian gulf that contained satellite type broadcast equipment, or better yet more common wireless internet technology that would be harder to trace via equipment purchases or by having a frakking dish on your roof.  A dynamic set of locations for receiving point to point wireless transmissions from the persion gulf (cantenna anyone) with requests coming from sources within iran would work.  It would be like old school satellite where the dns request was sent out via modem, but the transmission was received via more capable wireless transmission.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I absolutely had to get information into iran via satellite I would do it this way : create a system that broadcasts via satellite into iran a set of websites / tv stations / misc .
news outlets that is reflective of demand for news in iran .
The request side of this system could be composed of : continuously rotating proxies ( freenet ?
) ip dns requests via shortwave ip dns requests via satellite ip dns requests via cellphone ip dns requests via point to point transmission to afghanistan / persin gulf where possible There would have to be designed a software suite capable of amalgamating various sources of demand for news from various sources that could be dynamic .
The satellite would then broadcast the information most in demand from the people within iran .
with the prohibitive cost of satellites it might be more pragmatic to float high altitude balloons over the persian gulf that contained satellite type broadcast equipment , or better yet more common wireless internet technology that would be harder to trace via equipment purchases or by having a frakking dish on your roof .
A dynamic set of locations for receiving point to point wireless transmissions from the persion gulf ( cantenna anyone ) with requests coming from sources within iran would work .
It would be like old school satellite where the dns request was sent out via modem , but the transmission was received via more capable wireless transmission .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I absolutely had to get information into iran via satellite I would do it this way:

create a system that broadcasts via satellite into iran a set of websites / tv stations / misc.
news outlets that is reflective of demand for news in iran.
The request side of this system could be composed of:

continuously rotating proxies (freenet?
)
ip dns requests via shortwave
ip dns requests via satellite
ip dns requests via cellphone
ip dns requests via point to point transmission to afghanistan / persin gulf where possible

There would have to be designed a software suite capable of amalgamating various sources of demand for news from various sources that could be dynamic.
The satellite would then broadcast the information most in demand from the people within iran.
with the prohibitive cost of satellites it might be more pragmatic to float high altitude balloons over the persian gulf that contained satellite type broadcast equipment, or better yet more common wireless internet technology that would be harder to trace via equipment purchases or by having a frakking dish on your roof.
A dynamic set of locations for receiving point to point wireless transmissions from the persion gulf (cantenna anyone) with requests coming from sources within iran would work.
It would be like old school satellite where the dns request was sent out via modem, but the transmission was received via more capable wireless transmission.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28472647</id>
	<title>Responsibility or Irrisponsible?</title>
	<author>thebiss</author>
	<datestamp>1245925380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The world has been clamoring for you guys to stop meddling in their affairs and only mind your own. So I suggest that you should do just that: it will cost you nothing and you won't generate any further ill will towards you. What's not to like?<br>Maybe people will change their mind or maybe they won't, either way you'll be covered.</p></div><p>If I watch people die, and I have the power to act, but don't, am I innocent or guilty?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The world has been clamoring for you guys to stop meddling in their affairs and only mind your own .
So I suggest that you should do just that : it will cost you nothing and you wo n't generate any further ill will towards you .
What 's not to like ? Maybe people will change their mind or maybe they wo n't , either way you 'll be covered.If I watch people die , and I have the power to act , but do n't , am I innocent or guilty ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The world has been clamoring for you guys to stop meddling in their affairs and only mind your own.
So I suggest that you should do just that: it will cost you nothing and you won't generate any further ill will towards you.
What's not to like?Maybe people will change their mind or maybe they won't, either way you'll be covered.If I watch people die, and I have the power to act, but don't, am I innocent or guilty?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441303</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441835</id>
	<title>Do you really want to start a war?</title>
	<author>topham</author>
	<datestamp>1245782880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the end of the day, when all is said and done, do you really want to start another war?<br>There is a point where interference in a country constitutes an act of war.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the end of the day , when all is said and done , do you really want to start another war ? There is a point where interference in a country constitutes an act of war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the end of the day, when all is said and done, do you really want to start another war?There is a point where interference in a country constitutes an act of war.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28444911</id>
	<title>Re:The Tor project is already doing this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245750180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, you can.  There are satellite systems that are very easy to use and deploy that provide broadband connectivity.</p><p>There is latency involved and the cost is high per megabyte, but it's certainly feasible.  Iridium and BGAN come to mind and have already been discussed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , you can .
There are satellite systems that are very easy to use and deploy that provide broadband connectivity.There is latency involved and the cost is high per megabyte , but it 's certainly feasible .
Iridium and BGAN come to mind and have already been discussed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, you can.
There are satellite systems that are very easy to use and deploy that provide broadband connectivity.There is latency involved and the cost is high per megabyte, but it's certainly feasible.
Iridium and BGAN come to mind and have already been discussed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441387</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28441315</id>
	<title>How would I beam Broadband Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suppose I would use some sort of dish or antenna. That will be a $400 consulting fee.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose I would use some sort of dish or antenna .
That will be a $ 400 consulting fee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose I would use some sort of dish or antenna.
That will be a $400 consulting fee.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1631231.28442071</id>
	<title>We had the solution, but...</title>
	<author>ctrl-alt-canc</author>
	<datestamp>1245783600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shortwave radio (SW) has been around for years, and if we look at what happened behind the iron curtain, it seems that SW radio was a quite effective communications medium. Sending jazz and news from the free world to Moscow was easy despite KGB jamming attempts. But no, now we have internet, digital media, satellite radio, and most of the SW stations have been dismantled so that the land covered by their antenna could be sold for real estate development. Then sometimes somebody somewhere shuts down internet, jails all opponents who have  a parabolic antenna on their roof and voila', another iron curtain has been raised. And now what ?!?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Shortwave radio ( SW ) has been around for years , and if we look at what happened behind the iron curtain , it seems that SW radio was a quite effective communications medium .
Sending jazz and news from the free world to Moscow was easy despite KGB jamming attempts .
But no , now we have internet , digital media , satellite radio , and most of the SW stations have been dismantled so that the land covered by their antenna could be sold for real estate development .
Then sometimes somebody somewhere shuts down internet , jails all opponents who have a parabolic antenna on their roof and voila ' , another iron curtain has been raised .
And now what ? !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shortwave radio (SW) has been around for years, and if we look at what happened behind the iron curtain, it seems that SW radio was a quite effective communications medium.
Sending jazz and news from the free world to Moscow was easy despite KGB jamming attempts.
But no, now we have internet, digital media, satellite radio, and most of the SW stations have been dismantled so that the land covered by their antenna could be sold for real estate development.
Then sometimes somebody somewhere shuts down internet, jails all opponents who have  a parabolic antenna on their roof and voila', another iron curtain has been raised.
And now what ?!
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
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