<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_23_1442223</id>
	<title>The Commodore 64 vs. the iPhone 3G S</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1245770340000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:harry@technologizer.com" rel="nofollow">Harry</a> writes <i>"The unfortunate news about Apple <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/21/167239/Licensed-C64-Emulator-Rejected-From-App-Store">rejecting a Commodore 64 emulator</a> from the iPhone App Store inspired me to <a href="http://technologizer.com/2009/06/21/commodore-vs-iphone/">compare the C64 to the new iPhone 3G S</a>, in more detail than any rational person is likely to compare them, ever again. If nothing else, it's a snapshot of just how far technology has come since the C64's release in August of 1982."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Harry writes " The unfortunate news about Apple rejecting a Commodore 64 emulator from the iPhone App Store inspired me to compare the C64 to the new iPhone 3G S , in more detail than any rational person is likely to compare them , ever again .
If nothing else , it 's a snapshot of just how far technology has come since the C64 's release in August of 1982 .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Harry writes "The unfortunate news about Apple rejecting a Commodore 64 emulator from the iPhone App Store inspired me to compare the C64 to the new iPhone 3G S, in more detail than any rational person is likely to compare them, ever again.
If nothing else, it's a snapshot of just how far technology has come since the C64's release in August of 1982.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28447525</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1245762480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to find 99 Iphone developers? No thanks, I'd rather a platform that Just Works, Out Of The Box.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to find 99 Iphone developers ?
No thanks , I 'd rather a platform that Just Works , Out Of The Box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to find 99 Iphone developers?
No thanks, I'd rather a platform that Just Works, Out Of The Box.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439929</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28462107</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>metaforest</author>
	<datestamp>1245857760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>back in the old days ALL computer vendors included full schematics, including theory of operation, and Apple even included the LIST output from the assembler for the monitor ROM in the Technical Manual.  The first Disk<nobr> <wbr></nobr>// manuals also included this level of detail.</p><p>Even the IBM PC included all this technical info.... which proved to be their downfall.... and after that NO commercial computer vendor included technical information of such quality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>back in the old days ALL computer vendors included full schematics , including theory of operation , and Apple even included the LIST output from the assembler for the monitor ROM in the Technical Manual .
The first Disk // manuals also included this level of detail.Even the IBM PC included all this technical info.... which proved to be their downfall.... and after that NO commercial computer vendor included technical information of such quality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>back in the old days ALL computer vendors included full schematics, including theory of operation, and Apple even included the LIST output from the assembler for the monitor ROM in the Technical Manual.
The first Disk // manuals also included this level of detail.Even the IBM PC included all this technical info.... which proved to be their downfall.... and after that NO commercial computer vendor included technical information of such quality.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439925</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28441143</id>
	<title>pocket-size computer/communicator of 2035?</title>
	<author>peter303</author>
	<datestamp>1245780480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lets look as far into the future as the past.
<br>
I'll use my perspective as having been an experienced computer engineer back in 1982 (same age as Steve J).
<br>
Some aspects will evolve at Moore's Law.  Some aspects may reach saturation where new features dont make design or engineering sense (e.g. stagnant pocket calculators).  And the things that much slower than Moore's, e.g energy sources.
<br> <br>
First, will the pocket-to-palm size video screen form factor still make sense?  Yes it feels natural.  Perhaps thinner so it feels more like a credit card.
<br>
The pixel resolution may double.  Much more than that and the human eye really cant see the detail.  Color and contrast had a long way to go.  The superior experimental monitors at SIGGRAPH have such resolution, contrast and color that its hard to tell whether you are looking through a window or at a computer screen. Nd you'll have full phot-realistic 3D too. That already exists, but need miniaturization.
<br> <br>
Alternative video technologies might abandon a video screen altogether in favor of projecting on a flat surface, the eyeball, or into a 3D volume.  Scanning -projectors could be as small as keychain or a bump in your eyeglasses.  But I still think theres a usability advantage to a palm-size rigid screen.
<br> <br>
Storage will probably grow as fast in near decades as it has in recent decades.  Ten gigbytes of flash would become a 100 petabytes in that period.
<br> <br>
Communication bandwidths will increase too.  I expect several oscillations of client versus server storage wars as we have had recently.  Will all that storage be used for personal video libraries in your pocket, or will you store in a mass central location.
<br> <br>
Device power will continue to be a problem.  Both auto manufacturers and portable computer engineers know electric energy sources havent progessed that much in a century - maybe an order of magnitude over that time.
<br> <br>
Some version or descendent of UNIX will drive the product.  In my perspective software has been more conservative than hardware over the decades. You dont have to dig too deeply into Linus or Windows to find pieces from the 1970s or earlier.
<br> <br>
However, the other end of software- the end application- is much harder to predict.  With every new computer form factor there is an explosion of application creativity. And we are at the early end of the curve for pocket computers.  Part of this creativity is fueled by the variety of sensors all in one small box- camera, voice, touch, orientation, position, etc.  Perhaps more sensors will be added to sense the biological state of the hand or person holding it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets look as far into the future as the past .
I 'll use my perspective as having been an experienced computer engineer back in 1982 ( same age as Steve J ) .
Some aspects will evolve at Moore 's Law .
Some aspects may reach saturation where new features dont make design or engineering sense ( e.g .
stagnant pocket calculators ) .
And the things that much slower than Moore 's , e.g energy sources .
First , will the pocket-to-palm size video screen form factor still make sense ?
Yes it feels natural .
Perhaps thinner so it feels more like a credit card .
The pixel resolution may double .
Much more than that and the human eye really cant see the detail .
Color and contrast had a long way to go .
The superior experimental monitors at SIGGRAPH have such resolution , contrast and color that its hard to tell whether you are looking through a window or at a computer screen .
Nd you 'll have full phot-realistic 3D too .
That already exists , but need miniaturization .
Alternative video technologies might abandon a video screen altogether in favor of projecting on a flat surface , the eyeball , or into a 3D volume .
Scanning -projectors could be as small as keychain or a bump in your eyeglasses .
But I still think theres a usability advantage to a palm-size rigid screen .
Storage will probably grow as fast in near decades as it has in recent decades .
Ten gigbytes of flash would become a 100 petabytes in that period .
Communication bandwidths will increase too .
I expect several oscillations of client versus server storage wars as we have had recently .
Will all that storage be used for personal video libraries in your pocket , or will you store in a mass central location .
Device power will continue to be a problem .
Both auto manufacturers and portable computer engineers know electric energy sources havent progessed that much in a century - maybe an order of magnitude over that time .
Some version or descendent of UNIX will drive the product .
In my perspective software has been more conservative than hardware over the decades .
You dont have to dig too deeply into Linus or Windows to find pieces from the 1970s or earlier .
However , the other end of software- the end application- is much harder to predict .
With every new computer form factor there is an explosion of application creativity .
And we are at the early end of the curve for pocket computers .
Part of this creativity is fueled by the variety of sensors all in one small box- camera , voice , touch , orientation , position , etc .
Perhaps more sensors will be added to sense the biological state of the hand or person holding it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets look as far into the future as the past.
I'll use my perspective as having been an experienced computer engineer back in 1982 (same age as Steve J).
Some aspects will evolve at Moore's Law.
Some aspects may reach saturation where new features dont make design or engineering sense (e.g.
stagnant pocket calculators).
And the things that much slower than Moore's, e.g energy sources.
First, will the pocket-to-palm size video screen form factor still make sense?
Yes it feels natural.
Perhaps thinner so it feels more like a credit card.
The pixel resolution may double.
Much more than that and the human eye really cant see the detail.
Color and contrast had a long way to go.
The superior experimental monitors at SIGGRAPH have such resolution, contrast and color that its hard to tell whether you are looking through a window or at a computer screen.
Nd you'll have full phot-realistic 3D too.
That already exists, but need miniaturization.
Alternative video technologies might abandon a video screen altogether in favor of projecting on a flat surface, the eyeball, or into a 3D volume.
Scanning -projectors could be as small as keychain or a bump in your eyeglasses.
But I still think theres a usability advantage to a palm-size rigid screen.
Storage will probably grow as fast in near decades as it has in recent decades.
Ten gigbytes of flash would become a 100 petabytes in that period.
Communication bandwidths will increase too.
I expect several oscillations of client versus server storage wars as we have had recently.
Will all that storage be used for personal video libraries in your pocket, or will you store in a mass central location.
Device power will continue to be a problem.
Both auto manufacturers and portable computer engineers know electric energy sources havent progessed that much in a century - maybe an order of magnitude over that time.
Some version or descendent of UNIX will drive the product.
In my perspective software has been more conservative than hardware over the decades.
You dont have to dig too deeply into Linus or Windows to find pieces from the 1970s or earlier.
However, the other end of software- the end application- is much harder to predict.
With every new computer form factor there is an explosion of application creativity.
And we are at the early end of the curve for pocket computers.
Part of this creativity is fueled by the variety of sensors all in one small box- camera, voice, touch, orientation, position, etc.
Perhaps more sensors will be added to sense the biological state of the hand or person holding it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440617</id>
	<title>Re:Oh well...</title>
	<author>jekewa</author>
	<datestamp>1245778680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've got one in my garage. Still works. 170K floppy AND tape drive. I've got an Amiga 500, too. Even have an old Apple III (or was it IIi?). Sometimes called "the museum" by the wife. AFAIK they all work still.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got one in my garage .
Still works .
170K floppy AND tape drive .
I 've got an Amiga 500 , too .
Even have an old Apple III ( or was it IIi ? ) .
Sometimes called " the museum " by the wife .
AFAIK they all work still .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got one in my garage.
Still works.
170K floppy AND tape drive.
I've got an Amiga 500, too.
Even have an old Apple III (or was it IIi?).
Sometimes called "the museum" by the wife.
AFAIK they all work still.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439417</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28441443</id>
	<title>Re:The developers are spreading FUD</title>
	<author>jason.sweet</author>
	<datestamp>1245781680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple are shooting themselves in the foot with their rules.</p></div><p>I wish I had that kind of gun.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple are shooting themselves in the foot with their rules.I wish I had that kind of gun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple are shooting themselves in the foot with their rules.I wish I had that kind of gun.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440011</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28443349</id>
	<title>put it on Android</title>
	<author>Maarek Stele</author>
	<datestamp>1245788100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple rejects anything they think will turn them away from the phone's operation or make changes to it.</p><p>PUT IT ON ANDROID and WM.  You Won't be rejected there.</p><p>No Flash<br>No competitive Browsers<br>No File Exploring<br>No downloading to the phone</p><p>and people say I should get an iPhone, there's a couple of reasons NOT to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple rejects anything they think will turn them away from the phone 's operation or make changes to it.PUT IT ON ANDROID and WM .
You Wo n't be rejected there.No FlashNo competitive BrowsersNo File ExploringNo downloading to the phoneand people say I should get an iPhone , there 's a couple of reasons NOT to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple rejects anything they think will turn them away from the phone's operation or make changes to it.PUT IT ON ANDROID and WM.
You Won't be rejected there.No FlashNo competitive BrowsersNo File ExploringNo downloading to the phoneand people say I should get an iPhone, there's a couple of reasons NOT to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28442615</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1245785520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That was simpler time full of Compute and Byte magazine and taking your best girl to see ET and WarGames.</i></p><p>"Best girl" I take it meaning the most complete and functional of your robot companions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was simpler time full of Compute and Byte magazine and taking your best girl to see ET and WarGames .
" Best girl " I take it meaning the most complete and functional of your robot companions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was simpler time full of Compute and Byte magazine and taking your best girl to see ET and WarGames.
"Best girl" I take it meaning the most complete and functional of your robot companions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439925</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28448447</id>
	<title>Commodore SUX! ATARI Rulz!</title>
	<author>kevin7kal</author>
	<datestamp>1245771780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, it's been like 26 years since I've made a title like that, but it's still true!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , it 's been like 26 years since I 've made a title like that , but it 's still true !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, it's been like 26 years since I've made a title like that, but it's still true!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439417</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28447061</id>
	<title>Re:Missing categories...</title>
	<author>bhtooefr</author>
	<datestamp>1245759480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Multitasking (No for both?)</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.sics.se/contiki/" title="www.sics.se">http://www.sics.se/contiki/</a> [www.sics.se]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Multitasking ( No for both ?
) http : //www.sics.se/contiki/ [ www.sics.se ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Multitasking (No for both?
) http://www.sics.se/contiki/ [www.sics.se]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439543</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440429</id>
	<title>Re:The only comparison that matters</title>
	<author>hattig</author>
	<datestamp>1245778020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, unless you download the free iPhone SDK and develop applications using that, which you can then distribute to up to 100 people without involving iTunes. That's a lot of tape copying on the C64! Hardly ideal though, it's rather limiting in this day and age.</p><p>Of course you can't code ON the iPhone itself, unless there's a website out there with a Javascript editor and execution environment. Then again, a bluetooth keyboard would be handy first. Not that I think a simple BASIC environment should be blocked, it's quite ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , unless you download the free iPhone SDK and develop applications using that , which you can then distribute to up to 100 people without involving iTunes .
That 's a lot of tape copying on the C64 !
Hardly ideal though , it 's rather limiting in this day and age.Of course you ca n't code ON the iPhone itself , unless there 's a website out there with a Javascript editor and execution environment .
Then again , a bluetooth keyboard would be handy first .
Not that I think a simple BASIC environment should be blocked , it 's quite ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, unless you download the free iPhone SDK and develop applications using that, which you can then distribute to up to 100 people without involving iTunes.
That's a lot of tape copying on the C64!
Hardly ideal though, it's rather limiting in this day and age.Of course you can't code ON the iPhone itself, unless there's a website out there with a Javascript editor and execution environment.
Then again, a bluetooth keyboard would be handy first.
Not that I think a simple BASIC environment should be blocked, it's quite ridiculous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439709</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28567977</id>
	<title>It's funny...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... how screen resolution didn't changed over those years))</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... how screen resolution did n't changed over those years ) )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... how screen resolution didn't changed over those years))</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28447919</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>CrashNBrn</author>
	<datestamp>1245765720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Interested in hacking on a modern-day C64, some interesting stuff done on the C-ONE Reconfigurable Computer: <a href="http://c64upgra.de/c-one/" title="c64upgra.de" rel="nofollow">http://c64upgra.de/c-one/</a> [c64upgra.de]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Interested in hacking on a modern-day C64 , some interesting stuff done on the C-ONE Reconfigurable Computer : http : //c64upgra.de/c-one/ [ c64upgra.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interested in hacking on a modern-day C64, some interesting stuff done on the C-ONE Reconfigurable Computer: http://c64upgra.de/c-one/ [c64upgra.de]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439925</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439959</id>
	<title>Re:Price comparison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245776220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh yeah, and because this is such a serious comparison, he should also take inflation since release into account. We should also consider that the C64 was price reduced many times in its life, so maybe they should be considered as well (inflation adjusted).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh yeah , and because this is such a serious comparison , he should also take inflation since release into account .
We should also consider that the C64 was price reduced many times in its life , so maybe they should be considered as well ( inflation adjusted ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh yeah, and because this is such a serious comparison, he should also take inflation since release into account.
We should also consider that the C64 was price reduced many times in its life, so maybe they should be considered as well (inflation adjusted).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440331</id>
	<title>Price is wrong</title>
	<author>dzfoo</author>
	<datestamp>1245777660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article compares the <i>current</i> price of the iPhone with the <i>introductory</i> price of the C=64.  A few years in (circa 1984), you could buy a C=64 from K-mart at $90.00 USD.  This was convenience, since the cheap power supply tended to burn up and die, and it was sometimes easier and cheaper to just buy a replacement machine.  I went through three of the things back then!</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -dZ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article compares the current price of the iPhone with the introductory price of the C = 64 .
A few years in ( circa 1984 ) , you could buy a C = 64 from K-mart at $ 90.00 USD .
This was convenience , since the cheap power supply tended to burn up and die , and it was sometimes easier and cheaper to just buy a replacement machine .
I went through three of the things back then !
      -dZ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article compares the current price of the iPhone with the introductory price of the C=64.
A few years in (circa 1984), you could buy a C=64 from K-mart at $90.00 USD.
This was convenience, since the cheap power supply tended to burn up and die, and it was sometimes easier and cheaper to just buy a replacement machine.
I went through three of the things back then!
      -dZ.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28448571</id>
	<title>Re:Missing categories...</title>
	<author>kevin7kal</author>
	<datestamp>1245772980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ATARI RULZ!

ahhh, it feels so good!</htmltext>
<tokenext>ATARI RULZ !
ahhh , it feels so good !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ATARI RULZ!
ahhh, it feels so good!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439543</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440559</id>
	<title>The emulator thing has an easy acid test</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245778440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can you create your own app store, and cut Apple's 30\% (what is their cut of every app sold?) out of the equation? Don't assume because an app is free, download and popularity data isn't worthless.</p><p>If yes, reject app. If no, move to some other random criteria.</p><p>The emulator clause is clearly spelled out in the developer agreement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you create your own app store , and cut Apple 's 30 \ % ( what is their cut of every app sold ?
) out of the equation ?
Do n't assume because an app is free , download and popularity data is n't worthless.If yes , reject app .
If no , move to some other random criteria.The emulator clause is clearly spelled out in the developer agreement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you create your own app store, and cut Apple's 30\% (what is their cut of every app sold?
) out of the equation?
Don't assume because an app is free, download and popularity data isn't worthless.If yes, reject app.
If no, move to some other random criteria.The emulator clause is clearly spelled out in the developer agreement.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28449329</id>
	<title>Yes, units... they do suck...</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1245781440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Please, "nerds", make an attempt to understand units.</p></div><p>It's quite easy, just follow this: <a href="http://xkcd.com/394/" title="xkcd.com">http://xkcd.com/394/</a> [xkcd.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please , " nerds " , make an attempt to understand units.It 's quite easy , just follow this : http : //xkcd.com/394/ [ xkcd.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please, "nerds", make an attempt to understand units.It's quite easy, just follow this: http://xkcd.com/394/ [xkcd.com]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439851</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440017</id>
	<title>Re:3D acceleration is just the new 2D acceleration</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245776460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>True, but at the time, 2D hardware features were as much a bullet-point as 3D acceleration today, and the C64 had some quite impressive 2D tricks up its sleeve.</p></div><p>Indeed - the C64 had some impressive graphics and truly amazing sound capabilities for it's time.  One has to keep in mind that the C=64 appears just a little after <a href="http://nitros9.lcurtisboyle.com/dinowars.html" title="lcurtisboyle.com">dinosaurs first roamed the earth</a> [lcurtisboyle.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>True , but at the time , 2D hardware features were as much a bullet-point as 3D acceleration today , and the C64 had some quite impressive 2D tricks up its sleeve.Indeed - the C64 had some impressive graphics and truly amazing sound capabilities for it 's time .
One has to keep in mind that the C = 64 appears just a little after dinosaurs first roamed the earth [ lcurtisboyle.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, but at the time, 2D hardware features were as much a bullet-point as 3D acceleration today, and the C64 had some quite impressive 2D tricks up its sleeve.Indeed - the C64 had some impressive graphics and truly amazing sound capabilities for it's time.
One has to keep in mind that the C=64 appears just a little after dinosaurs first roamed the earth [lcurtisboyle.com].
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439545</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28442015</id>
	<title>Re:Nice comparison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245783420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Commodore SX-64 executive (which I have) has a built in CRT monitor and (5.25 inch) disk drive. It just requires a "kettle lead" power plog.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Commodore SX-64 executive ( which I have ) has a built in CRT monitor and ( 5.25 inch ) disk drive .
It just requires a " kettle lead " power plog .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Commodore SX-64 executive (which I have) has a built in CRT monitor and (5.25 inch) disk drive.
It just requires a "kettle lead" power plog.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439571</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28441697</id>
	<title>Boot times?</title>
	<author>89cents</author>
	<datestamp>1245782520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about compare boot times. It would be hard to beat a C64 1 or 2 second boot up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about compare boot times .
It would be hard to beat a C64 1 or 2 second boot up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about compare boot times.
It would be hard to beat a C64 1 or 2 second boot up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28449419</id>
	<title>Re:Price comparison</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245782820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you aren't going to talk about the phone features, then why not compare it to an ipod touch ($229)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are n't going to talk about the phone features , then why not compare it to an ipod touch ( $ 229 ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you aren't going to talk about the phone features, then why not compare it to an ipod touch ($229)?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439599</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440321</id>
	<title>Re:3D acceleration is just the new 2D acceleration</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1245777540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, wasn't there a version of Space Harrier for the C-64?  Plus some flight simulators I'm sure...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , was n't there a version of Space Harrier for the C-64 ?
Plus some flight simulators I 'm sure.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, wasn't there a version of Space Harrier for the C-64?
Plus some flight simulators I'm sure...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439545</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440033</id>
	<title>Re:The only comparison that matters</title>
	<author>Snocone</author>
	<datestamp>1245776520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As I pointed out above, if passing the minimal sanity and seriousness validation of acquiring a developer account is too much of a hurdle for you, well then no you actually should not be playing with the grownup toys, kid. The C64 is, indeed, right up your alley in that case, and I eagerly encourage you to use one instead of an iPhone for either forever or until you can come up with $99, whichever comes first.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and actually, you wouldn't have to come up with the $99 yourself for that matter, if you could convince even one of the 60,000 or so registered developers to date to sign you up for one of the 100 spots on their developer device list.</p><p>So if you can't make any friends, and you can't come up with $99<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... nope, I'm just not finding any sympathy left over, loser-boy. Go play with Android or something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As I pointed out above , if passing the minimal sanity and seriousness validation of acquiring a developer account is too much of a hurdle for you , well then no you actually should not be playing with the grownup toys , kid .
The C64 is , indeed , right up your alley in that case , and I eagerly encourage you to use one instead of an iPhone for either forever or until you can come up with $ 99 , whichever comes first .
... and actually , you would n't have to come up with the $ 99 yourself for that matter , if you could convince even one of the 60,000 or so registered developers to date to sign you up for one of the 100 spots on their developer device list.So if you ca n't make any friends , and you ca n't come up with $ 99 ... nope , I 'm just not finding any sympathy left over , loser-boy .
Go play with Android or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I pointed out above, if passing the minimal sanity and seriousness validation of acquiring a developer account is too much of a hurdle for you, well then no you actually should not be playing with the grownup toys, kid.
The C64 is, indeed, right up your alley in that case, and I eagerly encourage you to use one instead of an iPhone for either forever or until you can come up with $99, whichever comes first.
... and actually, you wouldn't have to come up with the $99 yourself for that matter, if you could convince even one of the 60,000 or so registered developers to date to sign you up for one of the 100 spots on their developer device list.So if you can't make any friends, and you can't come up with $99 ... nope, I'm just not finding any sympathy left over, loser-boy.
Go play with Android or something.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439709</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28453733</id>
	<title>There's an app for that!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245863400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No there isn't! Bite it, apple.  I just bought a Nokia so I can play Frodo!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No there is n't !
Bite it , apple .
I just bought a Nokia so I can play Frodo !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No there isn't!
Bite it, apple.
I just bought a Nokia so I can play Frodo!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28441305</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>schmiddy</author>
	<datestamp>1245781140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>if AT&amp;T catches you, you will be kicked off their network.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Bollocks. AT&amp;T could give a rat's ass what you do with your phone, as long as they're getting their $90/month from you. Apple, on the other hand, loses a lot of money if people start getting their apps from somewhere else. If AT&amp;T kicks you off their network, they lose a customer who they had managed to lock in for <b>2 years</b> of overpriced service.
</p><p>(Actually, AT&amp;T might care if a whole bunch of people started tethering their iPhones without approval, or using their phones as dial-up modems to a free ISP without paying extra for the data plans. Beyond that, they have no reason to care.)
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>if AT&amp;T catches you , you will be kicked off their network .
Bollocks. AT&amp;T could give a rat 's ass what you do with your phone , as long as they 're getting their $ 90/month from you .
Apple , on the other hand , loses a lot of money if people start getting their apps from somewhere else .
If AT&amp;T kicks you off their network , they lose a customer who they had managed to lock in for 2 years of overpriced service .
( Actually , AT&amp;T might care if a whole bunch of people started tethering their iPhones without approval , or using their phones as dial-up modems to a free ISP without paying extra for the data plans .
Beyond that , they have no reason to care .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if AT&amp;T catches you, you will be kicked off their network.
Bollocks. AT&amp;T could give a rat's ass what you do with your phone, as long as they're getting their $90/month from you.
Apple, on the other hand, loses a lot of money if people start getting their apps from somewhere else.
If AT&amp;T kicks you off their network, they lose a customer who they had managed to lock in for 2 years of overpriced service.
(Actually, AT&amp;T might care if a whole bunch of people started tethering their iPhones without approval, or using their phones as dial-up modems to a free ISP without paying extra for the data plans.
Beyond that, they have no reason to care.
)

	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439697</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439697</id>
	<title>Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They forgot to include FREEDOM. You were free on the C64, no one could stop you from making applications, running them and distributing them freely to friends, who in turn, without big brother watching, could distribute your creations as well. You're not even allowed ot run a python interpreter on the iphone.</p><p>And don't tell me about jailbreaking, jailbreaking is a DMCA violation and if AT&amp;T catches you, you will be kicked off their network. You don't have control of your device, with the C64 you did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They forgot to include FREEDOM .
You were free on the C64 , no one could stop you from making applications , running them and distributing them freely to friends , who in turn , without big brother watching , could distribute your creations as well .
You 're not even allowed ot run a python interpreter on the iphone.And do n't tell me about jailbreaking , jailbreaking is a DMCA violation and if AT&amp;T catches you , you will be kicked off their network .
You do n't have control of your device , with the C64 you did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They forgot to include FREEDOM.
You were free on the C64, no one could stop you from making applications, running them and distributing them freely to friends, who in turn, without big brother watching, could distribute your creations as well.
You're not even allowed ot run a python interpreter on the iphone.And don't tell me about jailbreaking, jailbreaking is a DMCA violation and if AT&amp;T catches you, you will be kicked off their network.
You don't have control of your device, with the C64 you did.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440955</id>
	<title>Re:The only comparison that matters</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1245779820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can. You just need to either jailbreak it, or become an iPhone developer, which is ridiculously easy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can .
You just need to either jailbreak it , or become an iPhone developer , which is ridiculously easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can.
You just need to either jailbreak it, or become an iPhone developer, which is ridiculously easy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439709</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440755</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245779100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ha! People that develop for iPhone don't have 100 friends. Also, does Apple allow more then one person to use an account?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha !
People that develop for iPhone do n't have 100 friends .
Also , does Apple allow more then one person to use an account ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha!
People that develop for iPhone don't have 100 friends.
Also, does Apple allow more then one person to use an account?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439929</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28445707</id>
	<title>Ah, that must be nobody bothers jailbreaking (!)</title>
	<author>cbhacking</author>
	<datestamp>1245753120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact that jailbreaking is non-trivial and that there is still anything which requires it is proof that no, you can't. You can write applications against a published SDK running on a specific operating system, but you can't affect the underlying system in any meaningful way without jailbreaking. You can run any code you like on your phone - except a program to patch out the inhibition against *actually* running any code you want (OK, there are lots of other things you can't do, but that's the point). I'm sure the 3G S will be jailbroken soon enough, but until then you're still limited to the development tools and toys that Apple lets you play with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that jailbreaking is non-trivial and that there is still anything which requires it is proof that no , you ca n't .
You can write applications against a published SDK running on a specific operating system , but you ca n't affect the underlying system in any meaningful way without jailbreaking .
You can run any code you like on your phone - except a program to patch out the inhibition against * actually * running any code you want ( OK , there are lots of other things you ca n't do , but that 's the point ) .
I 'm sure the 3G S will be jailbroken soon enough , but until then you 're still limited to the development tools and toys that Apple lets you play with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that jailbreaking is non-trivial and that there is still anything which requires it is proof that no, you can't.
You can write applications against a published SDK running on a specific operating system, but you can't affect the underlying system in any meaningful way without jailbreaking.
You can run any code you like on your phone - except a program to patch out the inhibition against *actually* running any code you want (OK, there are lots of other things you can't do, but that's the point).
I'm sure the 3G S will be jailbroken soon enough, but until then you're still limited to the development tools and toys that Apple lets you play with.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440025</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28441513</id>
	<title>Re:Missing categories...</title>
	<author>Captain Spam</author>
	<datestamp>1245781860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Number of owners who arent fanbois (C64 has more)</p></div><p>Given the iPhone does, believe it or not*, have some users who aren't hardcore Apple enthusiasts ("normal people"), and the C64, as it's been out of production for upwards of 20 years now and is therefore effectively <i>entirely</i> used by Commodore enthusiasts nowadays and not by "normal people", I'd say the iPhone wins that category.</p><p>If either instance of "enthusiasts" in that previous sentence is to be replaced with "fanboys" or "zealots" or similar, the other must be as well.</p><p>*: Yes, I know, the answer is you <i>don't</i> believe it, but too bad, reality rears its inconvenient head again.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Number of owners who arent fanbois ( C64 has more ) Given the iPhone does , believe it or not * , have some users who are n't hardcore Apple enthusiasts ( " normal people " ) , and the C64 , as it 's been out of production for upwards of 20 years now and is therefore effectively entirely used by Commodore enthusiasts nowadays and not by " normal people " , I 'd say the iPhone wins that category.If either instance of " enthusiasts " in that previous sentence is to be replaced with " fanboys " or " zealots " or similar , the other must be as well .
* : Yes , I know , the answer is you do n't believe it , but too bad , reality rears its inconvenient head again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Number of owners who arent fanbois (C64 has more)Given the iPhone does, believe it or not*, have some users who aren't hardcore Apple enthusiasts ("normal people"), and the C64, as it's been out of production for upwards of 20 years now and is therefore effectively entirely used by Commodore enthusiasts nowadays and not by "normal people", I'd say the iPhone wins that category.If either instance of "enthusiasts" in that previous sentence is to be replaced with "fanboys" or "zealots" or similar, the other must be as well.
*: Yes, I know, the answer is you don't believe it, but too bad, reality rears its inconvenient head again.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439543</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28441191</id>
	<title>Apple][e</title>
	<author>Erik Greenwald</author>
	<datestamp>1245780660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder if an emulator for the apple 2 series would be approved?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if an emulator for the apple 2 series would be approved ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if an emulator for the apple 2 series would be approved?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439955</id>
	<title>Re:Flash emulator</title>
	<author>mikael\_j</author>
	<datestamp>1245776220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's so odd about pressing " oh, I mean shift+2 to get a "?</p><p>It's a pretty standard way to type that character on a lot of non-US keyboard layouts.</p><p>/Mikael</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's so odd about pressing " oh , I mean shift + 2 to get a " ? It 's a pretty standard way to type that character on a lot of non-US keyboard layouts./Mikael</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's so odd about pressing " oh, I mean shift+2 to get a "?It's a pretty standard way to type that character on a lot of non-US keyboard layouts./Mikael</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439645</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28441295</id>
	<title>Could have made me an iPhone customer!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, this would have gotten me to buy an iPhone!  I didn't think anything could.  Thanks for turning me away, Apple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , this would have gotten me to buy an iPhone !
I did n't think anything could .
Thanks for turning me away , Apple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, this would have gotten me to buy an iPhone!
I didn't think anything could.
Thanks for turning me away, Apple.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440305</id>
	<title>C64 hosted website got /.ed</title>
	<author>mrstrano</author>
	<datestamp>1245777480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I cannot say I didn't see <a href="http://www.c64web.com/" title="c64web.com" rel="nofollow">that</a> [c64web.com] coming!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I can not say I did n't see that [ c64web.com ] coming !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I cannot say I didn't see that [c64web.com] coming!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439417</id>
	<title>Oh well...</title>
	<author>Luc1fel</author>
	<datestamp>1245774120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then it's settled. I'm getting a Commodore instead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then it 's settled .
I 'm getting a Commodore instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then it's settled.
I'm getting a Commodore instead.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28449239</id>
	<title>Underhand C code contest?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1245780360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it, and not arbitrary code.</p></div><p>This sounds like the perfect scenario for a practical application of the Underhand C Code Contest ideas<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-&gt;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it , and not arbitrary code.This sounds like the perfect scenario for a practical application of the Underhand C Code Contest ideas : - &gt;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it, and not arbitrary code.This sounds like the perfect scenario for a practical application of the Underhand C Code Contest ideas :-&gt;
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439445</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440025</id>
	<title>You *can* write &amp; run your own code on the iPh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245776460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you have to buy the development key ($99) to deploy to a physical phone, but you can write whatever you like and deploy it to your phone.  You can deploy to as many as 50 different phones without going through the app store or buying a site license.</p><p>I don't remember for sure - you might even be able to deploy to a phone that's physically connected to your Mac without paying anything.</p><p>I agree that you're nowhere near as free on the iPhone as we were on the C64, but it's just wrong to say that we can't run any code we like on our phone.</p><p>I think it's also worth pointing out that there are huge potential exploits on a phone that weren't there on a C64.  E.g. I could distribute a free app that eventually calls a 1-900 number I own, with no modem sticking out the back for you to disconnect.</p><p>I have written and distributed an <a href="http://www.pharceapp.com/buy" title="pharceapp.com">iPhone app</a> [pharceapp.com] (and written C64 apps), so I'm not just spouting BS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you have to buy the development key ( $ 99 ) to deploy to a physical phone , but you can write whatever you like and deploy it to your phone .
You can deploy to as many as 50 different phones without going through the app store or buying a site license.I do n't remember for sure - you might even be able to deploy to a phone that 's physically connected to your Mac without paying anything.I agree that you 're nowhere near as free on the iPhone as we were on the C64 , but it 's just wrong to say that we ca n't run any code we like on our phone.I think it 's also worth pointing out that there are huge potential exploits on a phone that were n't there on a C64 .
E.g. I could distribute a free app that eventually calls a 1-900 number I own , with no modem sticking out the back for you to disconnect.I have written and distributed an iPhone app [ pharceapp.com ] ( and written C64 apps ) , so I 'm not just spouting BS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you have to buy the development key ($99) to deploy to a physical phone, but you can write whatever you like and deploy it to your phone.
You can deploy to as many as 50 different phones without going through the app store or buying a site license.I don't remember for sure - you might even be able to deploy to a phone that's physically connected to your Mac without paying anything.I agree that you're nowhere near as free on the iPhone as we were on the C64, but it's just wrong to say that we can't run any code we like on our phone.I think it's also worth pointing out that there are huge potential exploits on a phone that weren't there on a C64.
E.g. I could distribute a free app that eventually calls a 1-900 number I own, with no modem sticking out the back for you to disconnect.I have written and distributed an iPhone app [pharceapp.com] (and written C64 apps), so I'm not just spouting BS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439511</id>
	<title>Sad news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just heard some sad news on talk radio... Ed McMahon dead at 86. There weren't any more details. Even if you didn't enjoy Star Search or the Tonight Show, there's no denying his contribution to popular culture. Truly an American icon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just heard some sad news on talk radio... Ed McMahon dead at 86 .
There were n't any more details .
Even if you did n't enjoy Star Search or the Tonight Show , there 's no denying his contribution to popular culture .
Truly an American icon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just heard some sad news on talk radio... Ed McMahon dead at 86.
There weren't any more details.
Even if you didn't enjoy Star Search or the Tonight Show, there's no denying his contribution to popular culture.
Truly an American icon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28518147</id>
	<title>Re:Oh well...</title>
	<author>Mike Buddha</author>
	<datestamp>1246307160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a much more open platform.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a much more open platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a much more open platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439623</id>
	<title>Progress</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least this time Apple rejected something that was actually forbidden by the app store's rules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least this time Apple rejected something that was actually forbidden by the app store 's rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least this time Apple rejected something that was actually forbidden by the app store's rules.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439857</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>msbmsb</author>
	<datestamp>1245775740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know I was always free to get a sandwich waiting for a program to load I had foolishly saved at the end of the cassette tape.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know I was always free to get a sandwich waiting for a program to load I had foolishly saved at the end of the cassette tape .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know I was always free to get a sandwich waiting for a program to load I had foolishly saved at the end of the cassette tape.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439697</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439501</id>
	<title>C64</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just got all warm and fuzzy remembering Lode Runner. Oh those were the days. We used to install CTR+ALT+Delete hardwired switches into friends C64 for $50. I still have two working and a whole bunch of games. My kids love them, almost as much as playing on my iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just got all warm and fuzzy remembering Lode Runner .
Oh those were the days .
We used to install CTR + ALT + Delete hardwired switches into friends C64 for $ 50 .
I still have two working and a whole bunch of games .
My kids love them , almost as much as playing on my iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just got all warm and fuzzy remembering Lode Runner.
Oh those were the days.
We used to install CTR+ALT+Delete hardwired switches into friends C64 for $50.
I still have two working and a whole bunch of games.
My kids love them, almost as much as playing on my iPhone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28442049</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>Anonymusing</author>
	<datestamp>1245783600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, since the C64 is so free, why aren't you still using it?  You are STILL free on it.  Not sure why you keep putting it in the past tense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , since the C64 is so free , why are n't you still using it ?
You are STILL free on it .
Not sure why you keep putting it in the past tense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, since the C64 is so free, why aren't you still using it?
You are STILL free on it.
Not sure why you keep putting it in the past tense.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439697</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440119</id>
	<title>Re:Nice Shapshot!</title>
	<author>jandrese</author>
	<datestamp>1245776820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Last time someone posted it the thing held up remarkably well because the author cheated a bit and made his webserver completely stateless, making the only limitation the speed of the network interface and processor.  The site would take a long time to respond, but it never crashed the way most webservers (or, more often, their attached databases) do when slammed with requests.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time someone posted it the thing held up remarkably well because the author cheated a bit and made his webserver completely stateless , making the only limitation the speed of the network interface and processor .
The site would take a long time to respond , but it never crashed the way most webservers ( or , more often , their attached databases ) do when slammed with requests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time someone posted it the thing held up remarkably well because the author cheated a bit and made his webserver completely stateless, making the only limitation the speed of the network interface and processor.
The site would take a long time to respond, but it never crashed the way most webservers (or, more often, their attached databases) do when slammed with requests.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439705</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440153</id>
	<title>Re:Price comparison</title>
	<author>SuiteSisterMary</author>
	<datestamp>1245776940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I also don't recall if he mentioned having adjusted the C64 price for inflation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also do n't recall if he mentioned having adjusted the C64 price for inflation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also don't recall if he mentioned having adjusted the C64 price for inflation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439599</id>
	<title>Price comparison</title>
	<author>furby076</author>
	<datestamp>1245774720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The iPhone 3G S  has 4,000 times the RAM (256MB) for one-third the price (with an AT&amp;T contract)</p></div><p>Your price comparison is not really good.  You should compare an uncontracted iphone price (500 or 600) to that of a c64.  The contract lock is worth money - especially considering how much you buy to maintain your service.  THen again you get more from the contract (phone service, access to the internet, etc).  So a better comparison is the straight phone price to the c64 price.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone 3G S has 4,000 times the RAM ( 256MB ) for one-third the price ( with an AT&amp;T contract ) Your price comparison is not really good .
You should compare an uncontracted iphone price ( 500 or 600 ) to that of a c64 .
The contract lock is worth money - especially considering how much you buy to maintain your service .
THen again you get more from the contract ( phone service , access to the internet , etc ) .
So a better comparison is the straight phone price to the c64 price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone 3G S  has 4,000 times the RAM (256MB) for one-third the price (with an AT&amp;T contract)Your price comparison is not really good.
You should compare an uncontracted iphone price (500 or 600) to that of a c64.
The contract lock is worth money - especially considering how much you buy to maintain your service.
THen again you get more from the contract (phone service, access to the internet, etc).
So a better comparison is the straight phone price to the c64 price.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439977</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>Anonymous Monkey</author>
	<datestamp>1245776280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think I would add FUN to that list.  The C64 was fun to play with (programing or games).  I remember one time my dad, big brother, and me hooked up our Commodore up to our Betamax VCR and recorded about eight hours of dig-dug.  We took turns playing a marathon game and by the end of it we had about 20 roses and the fruit you got after dropping two rocks was any number of weird things, from the dig dug guy to a rock.  I can't imagine iPhone ever being so much fun.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think I would add FUN to that list .
The C64 was fun to play with ( programing or games ) .
I remember one time my dad , big brother , and me hooked up our Commodore up to our Betamax VCR and recorded about eight hours of dig-dug .
We took turns playing a marathon game and by the end of it we had about 20 roses and the fruit you got after dropping two rocks was any number of weird things , from the dig dug guy to a rock .
I ca n't imagine iPhone ever being so much fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think I would add FUN to that list.
The C64 was fun to play with (programing or games).
I remember one time my dad, big brother, and me hooked up our Commodore up to our Betamax VCR and recorded about eight hours of dig-dug.
We took turns playing a marathon game and by the end of it we had about 20 roses and the fruit you got after dropping two rocks was any number of weird things, from the dig dug guy to a rock.
I can't imagine iPhone ever being so much fun.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439697</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28447193</id>
	<title>Re:Oh well...</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1245760260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well hey - it had <a href="http://www.commodore.ca/history/company/turks\_geos.htm" title="commodore.ca">copy and paste</a> [commodore.ca].</p><p>But it's still unknown as to which of them will finally get Java support first.</p><p>To be honest, I think the comparison understates the revolution of modern technology by limiting itself to the Iphone. Nevermind $199 - with any old dirt cheap phone these days, I can browse the Internet, navigate with Google maps, and store GBs of music, photos and other data. (Without being locked into a carrier!) And the comparison of 30 million to one million is very misleading - the Commodore 64 is the single best selling computer, and was one of the mainstream home platforms in its day. The Iphone however isn't even close - far from the market shrinking, there are now something like <a href="http://www.java.com/en/about/" title="java.com">2.1 <b>billion</b> Java phones</a> [java.com] out there. That's before you consider the range of choice offered by PC laptops and netbooks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well hey - it had copy and paste [ commodore.ca ] .But it 's still unknown as to which of them will finally get Java support first.To be honest , I think the comparison understates the revolution of modern technology by limiting itself to the Iphone .
Nevermind $ 199 - with any old dirt cheap phone these days , I can browse the Internet , navigate with Google maps , and store GBs of music , photos and other data .
( Without being locked into a carrier !
) And the comparison of 30 million to one million is very misleading - the Commodore 64 is the single best selling computer , and was one of the mainstream home platforms in its day .
The Iphone however is n't even close - far from the market shrinking , there are now something like 2.1 billion Java phones [ java.com ] out there .
That 's before you consider the range of choice offered by PC laptops and netbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well hey - it had copy and paste [commodore.ca].But it's still unknown as to which of them will finally get Java support first.To be honest, I think the comparison understates the revolution of modern technology by limiting itself to the Iphone.
Nevermind $199 - with any old dirt cheap phone these days, I can browse the Internet, navigate with Google maps, and store GBs of music, photos and other data.
(Without being locked into a carrier!
) And the comparison of 30 million to one million is very misleading - the Commodore 64 is the single best selling computer, and was one of the mainstream home platforms in its day.
The Iphone however isn't even close - far from the market shrinking, there are now something like 2.1 billion Java phones [java.com] out there.
That's before you consider the range of choice offered by PC laptops and netbooks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28443981</id>
	<title>I LUV MY C64!</title>
	<author>sxmjmae</author>
	<datestamp>1245790200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saved and saved to get my C64.  Way better than that stupid VIC 20.</p><p>
I have hundreds games for it.  About a dozen or so game that I enjoy so much I keep my C64 around and 'load' it up so I can play them.  A emulator for the Iphone/touch would be something I would love to have and pay for it - provided it had the games I love to play.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saved and saved to get my C64 .
Way better than that stupid VIC 20 .
I have hundreds games for it .
About a dozen or so game that I enjoy so much I keep my C64 around and 'load ' it up so I can play them .
A emulator for the Iphone/touch would be something I would love to have and pay for it - provided it had the games I love to play .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saved and saved to get my C64.
Way better than that stupid VIC 20.
I have hundreds games for it.
About a dozen or so game that I enjoy so much I keep my C64 around and 'load' it up so I can play them.
A emulator for the Iphone/touch would be something I would love to have and pay for it - provided it had the games I love to play.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440011</id>
	<title>Re:The developers are spreading FUD</title>
	<author>gilesjuk</author>
	<datestamp>1245776460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would agree with you if it wasn't for the SID player that does the same thing but for C64 music.</p><p>Apple are shooting themselves in the foot with their rules. I know what they're trying to do, prevent unlocking of the phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would agree with you if it was n't for the SID player that does the same thing but for C64 music.Apple are shooting themselves in the foot with their rules .
I know what they 're trying to do , prevent unlocking of the phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would agree with you if it wasn't for the SID player that does the same thing but for C64 music.Apple are shooting themselves in the foot with their rules.
I know what they're trying to do, prevent unlocking of the phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28480895</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>just fiddling around</author>
	<datestamp>1246025880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Compute and Byte were, at the time I read them, utter crap.   Adverts with a thin wrapping of comparos and "toy of the month" articles.</p><p>Granted, this was the end of the '80s and BASIC was way out of style...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Compute and Byte were , at the time I read them , utter crap .
Adverts with a thin wrapping of comparos and " toy of the month " articles.Granted , this was the end of the '80s and BASIC was way out of style.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Compute and Byte were, at the time I read them, utter crap.
Adverts with a thin wrapping of comparos and "toy of the month" articles.Granted, this was the end of the '80s and BASIC was way out of style...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440219</id>
	<title>Re:The developers are spreading FUD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245777180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure if they restricted their Emulator to packs that can be downloaded using iTunes DLC system, there wouldn't be an issue. I think Apple wants a piece of everything that runs on your iPhone.</p><p>The Chip-8 emulator allows users to type in arbitrary code, so that's clearly not a hard and fast rule.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure if they restricted their Emulator to packs that can be downloaded using iTunes DLC system , there would n't be an issue .
I think Apple wants a piece of everything that runs on your iPhone.The Chip-8 emulator allows users to type in arbitrary code , so that 's clearly not a hard and fast rule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure if they restricted their Emulator to packs that can be downloaded using iTunes DLC system, there wouldn't be an issue.
I think Apple wants a piece of everything that runs on your iPhone.The Chip-8 emulator allows users to type in arbitrary code, so that's clearly not a hard and fast rule.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439555</id>
	<title>C64 didn't use a 6502</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It used a 6510, which is a modified version of the 6502 with an extra IO port.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It used a 6510 , which is a modified version of the 6502 with an extra IO port .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It used a 6510, which is a modified version of the 6502 with an extra IO port.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440415</id>
	<title>Re:Nice Shapshot!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245777960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Good overview of the two technologies.</p><p>One point of correction the iPhone has successful run Apache so it can be used as a web server (for what it's worth).  Here's a related article -</p><p> <a href="http://www.modmyi.com/forums/native-iphone-ipod-touch-app-launches/2665-apache-iphone-how-cool.html" title="modmyi.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.modmyi.com/forums/native-iphone-ipod-touch-app-launches/2665-apache-iphone-how-cool.html</a> [modmyi.com] </p></div><p>Oh well, Nokia offers a full feature mobile web server for free, without hacks, weird urls... Full working with a dynamic host name.</p><p>http://mymobilesite.net/</p><p>That is why Nokia and other Symbian vendors are still being chosen by people like me. Freedom... Evil Apple shows Nokia as some freedom fighter.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good overview of the two technologies.One point of correction the iPhone has successful run Apache so it can be used as a web server ( for what it 's worth ) .
Here 's a related article - http : //www.modmyi.com/forums/native-iphone-ipod-touch-app-launches/2665-apache-iphone-how-cool.html [ modmyi.com ] Oh well , Nokia offers a full feature mobile web server for free , without hacks , weird urls... Full working with a dynamic host name.http : //mymobilesite.net/That is why Nokia and other Symbian vendors are still being chosen by people like me .
Freedom... Evil Apple shows Nokia as some freedom fighter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good overview of the two technologies.One point of correction the iPhone has successful run Apache so it can be used as a web server (for what it's worth).
Here's a related article - http://www.modmyi.com/forums/native-iphone-ipod-touch-app-launches/2665-apache-iphone-how-cool.html [modmyi.com] Oh well, Nokia offers a full feature mobile web server for free, without hacks, weird urls... Full working with a dynamic host name.http://mymobilesite.net/That is why Nokia and other Symbian vendors are still being chosen by people like me.
Freedom... Evil Apple shows Nokia as some freedom fighter.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439645</id>
	<title>Flash emulator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The iPhone might have hardware 3D graphics, but only the C64 had hardware sprites.</p><p>This <a href="http://codeazur.com.br/stuff/fc64\_final/" title="codeazur.com.br">Flash C64 emulator</a> [codeazur.com.br] is pretty nifty. It still needs some work though. I guess the iPhone doesn't support flash, but other phones might be able to run it.</p><p>If you want to run a little C64 basic on that emulator, be aware that the key for the double quote character is SHIFT-2. (I can't believe I remembered that!)<br><tt><br>10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"<br>20 GOTO 10<br>RUN<br></tt></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone might have hardware 3D graphics , but only the C64 had hardware sprites.This Flash C64 emulator [ codeazur.com.br ] is pretty nifty .
It still needs some work though .
I guess the iPhone does n't support flash , but other phones might be able to run it.If you want to run a little C64 basic on that emulator , be aware that the key for the double quote character is SHIFT-2 .
( I ca n't believe I remembered that !
) 10 PRINT " HELLO WORLD " 20 GOTO 10RUN</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone might have hardware 3D graphics, but only the C64 had hardware sprites.This Flash C64 emulator [codeazur.com.br] is pretty nifty.
It still needs some work though.
I guess the iPhone doesn't support flash, but other phones might be able to run it.If you want to run a little C64 basic on that emulator, be aware that the key for the double quote character is SHIFT-2.
(I can't believe I remembered that!
)10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD"20 GOTO 10RUN
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28493021</id>
	<title>Brings back memories</title>
	<author>betterpc</author>
	<datestamp>1246096500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah... Commodore was planning to kill Apple like 30 years ago: <a href="http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=4407" title="eatliver.com" rel="nofollow">http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=4407</a> [eatliver.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah... Commodore was planning to kill Apple like 30 years ago : http : //eatliver.com/i.php ? n = 4407 [ eatliver.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah... Commodore was planning to kill Apple like 30 years ago: http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=4407 [eatliver.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439659</id>
	<title>Re:The developers are spreading FUD</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1245774840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not FUD if it's true.  Are you even reading what you're writing?<p><div class="quote"><p>It's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it, and not arbitrary code.</p></div><p>It's okay to use this device that you've bought for running Apple-approved software, but not for running arbitrary code.  That's not FUD, it's Apple's policy.  If you're happy with a device that has this kind of restriction, then that's great, enjoy yourself.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not FUD if it 's true .
Are you even reading what you 're writing ? It 's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it , and not arbitrary code.It 's okay to use this device that you 've bought for running Apple-approved software , but not for running arbitrary code .
That 's not FUD , it 's Apple 's policy .
If you 're happy with a device that has this kind of restriction , then that 's great , enjoy yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not FUD if it's true.
Are you even reading what you're writing?It's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it, and not arbitrary code.It's okay to use this device that you've bought for running Apple-approved software, but not for running arbitrary code.
That's not FUD, it's Apple's policy.
If you're happy with a device that has this kind of restriction, then that's great, enjoy yourself.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439445</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439545</id>
	<title>3D acceleration is just the new 2D acceleration</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1245774480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>MOS Technology VIC-II; no 3D capability</i> <br>
<br>
True, but at the time, 2D hardware features were as much a bullet-point as 3D acceleration today, and the C64 had some quite impressive 2D tricks up its sleeve.</htmltext>
<tokenext>MOS Technology VIC-II ; no 3D capability True , but at the time , 2D hardware features were as much a bullet-point as 3D acceleration today , and the C64 had some quite impressive 2D tricks up its sleeve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MOS Technology VIC-II; no 3D capability 

True, but at the time, 2D hardware features were as much a bullet-point as 3D acceleration today, and the C64 had some quite impressive 2D tricks up its sleeve.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439493</id>
	<title>Nice Shapshot!</title>
	<author>jchawk</author>
	<datestamp>1245774360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good overview of the two technologies.</p><p>One point of correction the iPhone has successful run Apache so it can be used as a web server (for what it's worth).  Here's a related article -</p><p><a href="http://www.modmyi.com/forums/native-iphone-ipod-touch-app-launches/2665-apache-iphone-how-cool.html" title="modmyi.com">http://www.modmyi.com/forums/native-iphone-ipod-touch-app-launches/2665-apache-iphone-how-cool.html</a> [modmyi.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good overview of the two technologies.One point of correction the iPhone has successful run Apache so it can be used as a web server ( for what it 's worth ) .
Here 's a related article -http : //www.modmyi.com/forums/native-iphone-ipod-touch-app-launches/2665-apache-iphone-how-cool.html [ modmyi.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good overview of the two technologies.One point of correction the iPhone has successful run Apache so it can be used as a web server (for what it's worth).
Here's a related article -http://www.modmyi.com/forums/native-iphone-ipod-touch-app-launches/2665-apache-iphone-how-cool.html [modmyi.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28442439</id>
	<title>They forgot one benchmark</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245784860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Time to load Slashdot 2.0: [still waiting] [still waiting]</p><p>Though there's a 50-50 chance the C64 would <a href="http://pixelcity.com/slashdot-iphone.jpg" title="pixelcity.com">render it better.</a> [pixelcity.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Time to load Slashdot 2.0 : [ still waiting ] [ still waiting ] Though there 's a 50-50 chance the C64 would render it better .
[ pixelcity.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Time to load Slashdot 2.0: [still waiting] [still waiting]Though there's a 50-50 chance the C64 would render it better.
[pixelcity.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440151</id>
	<title>Re:Nice Shapshot!</title>
	<author>spydabyte</author>
	<datestamp>1245776940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is it a good review? Many of the fields he entered "you know.. I'm really not sure". A quick google or hacking the device itself will tell you more answers than this "review".</htmltext>
<tokenext>How is it a good review ?
Many of the fields he entered " you know.. I 'm really not sure " .
A quick google or hacking the device itself will tell you more answers than this " review " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is it a good review?
Many of the fields he entered "you know.. I'm really not sure".
A quick google or hacking the device itself will tell you more answers than this "review".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439493</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28445471</id>
	<title>100\% Pure Apple Juice - No Gunk, No Junk</title>
	<author>WhiteFluffyChest</author>
	<datestamp>1245752160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obviously, Apple want their users to get everything through their checkout machine (the app store).</p><p>No Java,</p><p>No Flash,</p><p>No emulators,</p><p>They control everything you get...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...Hmmmmm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously , Apple want their users to get everything through their checkout machine ( the app store ) .No Java,No Flash,No emulators,They control everything you get... ...Hmmmmm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obviously, Apple want their users to get everything through their checkout machine (the app store).No Java,No Flash,No emulators,They control everything you get... ...Hmmmmm</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28449509</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1245783660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We should relaunch the C64 as a handheld. The C64F (the F is for freedom). For the marketing campaign we can get David Hasselhoff to perform "I've Been Looking For Freedom". It'll surely be successful. Well, at least in Germany.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We should relaunch the C64 as a handheld .
The C64F ( the F is for freedom ) .
For the marketing campaign we can get David Hasselhoff to perform " I 've Been Looking For Freedom " .
It 'll surely be successful .
Well , at least in Germany .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We should relaunch the C64 as a handheld.
The C64F (the F is for freedom).
For the marketing campaign we can get David Hasselhoff to perform "I've Been Looking For Freedom".
It'll surely be successful.
Well, at least in Germany.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439697</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28442835</id>
	<title>Re:Oh well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245786300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DITTO<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I just got out the manual and my old doepfer 8 bit sampler<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... now where the hell did I put all that copper<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I love that machine. Oh. my. The VIC20 just woke up the Apple 2c and it looks like I may be in for a bit of aaaaaaaaaaa</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DITTO ... I just got out the manual and my old doepfer 8 bit sampler ... now where the hell did I put all that copper ... I love that machine .
Oh. my .
The VIC20 just woke up the Apple 2c and it looks like I may be in for a bit of aaaaaaaaaaa</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DITTO ... I just got out the manual and my old doepfer 8 bit sampler ... now where the hell did I put all that copper ... I love that machine.
Oh. my.
The VIC20 just woke up the Apple 2c and it looks like I may be in for a bit of aaaaaaaaaaa</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439417</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439829</id>
	<title>notably missing...</title>
	<author>motherpusbucket</author>
	<datestamp>1245775620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Instead of Ms. Pac Man, I would suggest Lode Runner or Jumpman.<br>
Some other items to compare:<br>
DRM-Free SID file compatibility?<br>
Soothing knocking sounds from removable media (i.e. 1541 floppy drive)<br>
Game DRM ease of circumvention (i.e. resistor on parallel port for Links)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of Ms. Pac Man , I would suggest Lode Runner or Jumpman .
Some other items to compare : DRM-Free SID file compatibility ?
Soothing knocking sounds from removable media ( i.e .
1541 floppy drive ) Game DRM ease of circumvention ( i.e .
resistor on parallel port for Links )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of Ms. Pac Man, I would suggest Lode Runner or Jumpman.
Some other items to compare:
DRM-Free SID file compatibility?
Soothing knocking sounds from removable media (i.e.
1541 floppy drive)
Game DRM ease of circumvention (i.e.
resistor on parallel port for Links)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28443759</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245789540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And Commodore dealers were not pure Koolaid drinking scum</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Commodore dealers were not pure Koolaid drinking scum</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Commodore dealers were not pure Koolaid drinking scum</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439697</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28443199</id>
	<title>Longevity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245787500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder how many folks will still have, much less use, their iPhone in 27 years...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many folks will still have , much less use , their iPhone in 27 years.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many folks will still have, much less use, their iPhone in 27 years...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440365</id>
	<title>You think your Commodore 64 is really neat-o?</title>
	<author>Tetsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1245777780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What kinda chip you got in there, a Dorito?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What kinda chip you got in there , a Dorito ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What kinda chip you got in there, a Dorito?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28450847</id>
	<title>Keyboard?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245846180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who've got the best keyboard, huh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who 've got the best keyboard , huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who've got the best keyboard, huh?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439863</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245775740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>kinda: http://hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lunix.html<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>kinda : http : //hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lunix.html : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>kinda: http://hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lunix.html :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439719</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439917</id>
	<title>Re:Flash emulator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245776100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the Atari 8-bit machines had sprites in hardware too, and had it before the C-64 came out.</p><p>But that's not why I'm following up. When I read your shift-2 comment, my first thought was "well, of COURSE! Where else would it be? That's not changed in the last 20 years or...</p><p>(looking down at my keyboard)</p><p>Huh. I guess I've retrained my fingers."</p><p>I don't have any problems typing them, but if you asked me, I'd probably say "shift-2" is the location of double quotes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the Atari 8-bit machines had sprites in hardware too , and had it before the C-64 came out.But that 's not why I 'm following up .
When I read your shift-2 comment , my first thought was " well , of COURSE !
Where else would it be ?
That 's not changed in the last 20 years or... ( looking down at my keyboard ) Huh .
I guess I 've retrained my fingers .
" I do n't have any problems typing them , but if you asked me , I 'd probably say " shift-2 " is the location of double quotes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the Atari 8-bit machines had sprites in hardware too, and had it before the C-64 came out.But that's not why I'm following up.
When I read your shift-2 comment, my first thought was "well, of COURSE!
Where else would it be?
That's not changed in the last 20 years or...(looking down at my keyboard)Huh.
I guess I've retrained my fingers.
"I don't have any problems typing them, but if you asked me, I'd probably say "shift-2" is the location of double quotes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439645</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439657</id>
	<title>Couldn't find the size?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lazy bastard!</p><p>Commodore C64 Physical Specifications.<br>Weight of machine:1820g.<br>Physical dimensions:404 mm * 216mm * 75mm</p><p>http://www.retrocomputermuseum.co.uk/display\_system.php?display=25</p><p>[Cause if it's on the net, it has to be true]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lazy bastard ! Commodore C64 Physical Specifications.Weight of machine : 1820g.Physical dimensions : 404 mm * 216mm * 75mmhttp : //www.retrocomputermuseum.co.uk/display \ _system.php ? display = 25 [ Cause if it 's on the net , it has to be true ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lazy bastard!Commodore C64 Physical Specifications.Weight of machine:1820g.Physical dimensions:404 mm * 216mm * 75mmhttp://www.retrocomputermuseum.co.uk/display\_system.php?display=25[Cause if it's on the net, it has to be true]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28443327</id>
	<title>Re:The only comparison that matters</title>
	<author>KZigurs</author>
	<datestamp>1245787980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uhm? Yes, you can. Sure, you will need ether jailbroken phone or an iphone dev account (where they will happily give you all necessary keys to run anything you compile on your device), but still - ether is simple and easy to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uhm ?
Yes , you can .
Sure , you will need ether jailbroken phone or an iphone dev account ( where they will happily give you all necessary keys to run anything you compile on your device ) , but still - ether is simple and easy to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uhm?
Yes, you can.
Sure, you will need ether jailbroken phone or an iphone dev account (where they will happily give you all necessary keys to run anything you compile on your device), but still - ether is simple and easy to do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439709</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28447419</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1245761820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree - if the Iphone really was the modern C64, that would be depressing for the reasons you give. Thankfully freedom remains, with wide availability of PCs, laptops and netbooks. Netbooks in particular I am glad to have appeared - they're very portable, but still full blown computers, with the same freedom, rather than locked down devices like the Iphone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree - if the Iphone really was the modern C64 , that would be depressing for the reasons you give .
Thankfully freedom remains , with wide availability of PCs , laptops and netbooks .
Netbooks in particular I am glad to have appeared - they 're very portable , but still full blown computers , with the same freedom , rather than locked down devices like the Iphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree - if the Iphone really was the modern C64, that would be depressing for the reasons you give.
Thankfully freedom remains, with wide availability of PCs, laptops and netbooks.
Netbooks in particular I am glad to have appeared - they're very portable, but still full blown computers, with the same freedom, rather than locked down devices like the Iphone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439697</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439543</id>
	<title>Missing categories...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Number of owners who arent fanbois (C64 has more)<br>Number of games (C64 has more)<br>Number of useful apps (C64 has more)<br>Multitasking (No for both?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Number of owners who arent fanbois ( C64 has more ) Number of games ( C64 has more ) Number of useful apps ( C64 has more ) Multitasking ( No for both ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Number of owners who arent fanbois (C64 has more)Number of games (C64 has more)Number of useful apps (C64 has more)Multitasking (No for both?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28441519</id>
	<title>Inaccurate</title>
	<author>Zedrick</author>
	<datestamp>1245781920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>Total applications available 10,000</i>"
<br> <br>
Nonsense. I have around 17000 C64 <i>games</i> in my collection, and at least 7000 demos. I don't how many applications there are in total, but I bet two sacks of gold it's <i>at least</i> 100.000.
<br> <br>
And what's that about "<i>Major Hollywood releases available for download same date as DVD</i>"? No, but a lot of titles hit the shops the same day as the movie they were based on premiered at the cinema. <br> <br>
On the one hand it's nice to see stuff about the C64 on Slashdot, but it's kinda silly when it's because of some stupid blogpost that hasn't been researched for more than 2 minutes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Total applications available 10,000 " Nonsense .
I have around 17000 C64 games in my collection , and at least 7000 demos .
I do n't how many applications there are in total , but I bet two sacks of gold it 's at least 100.000 .
And what 's that about " Major Hollywood releases available for download same date as DVD " ?
No , but a lot of titles hit the shops the same day as the movie they were based on premiered at the cinema .
On the one hand it 's nice to see stuff about the C64 on Slashdot , but it 's kinda silly when it 's because of some stupid blogpost that has n't been researched for more than 2 minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Total applications available 10,000"
 
Nonsense.
I have around 17000 C64 games in my collection, and at least 7000 demos.
I don't how many applications there are in total, but I bet two sacks of gold it's at least 100.000.
And what's that about "Major Hollywood releases available for download same date as DVD"?
No, but a lot of titles hit the shops the same day as the movie they were based on premiered at the cinema.
On the one hand it's nice to see stuff about the C64 on Slashdot, but it's kinda silly when it's because of some stupid blogpost that hasn't been researched for more than 2 minutes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28461143</id>
	<title>Re:Oh well...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245850320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because nobody could <i>ever</i> need more than 170K.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because nobody could ever need more than 170K .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because nobody could ever need more than 170K.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440617</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28462067</id>
	<title>Re:Joystick + RS232 Bluetooth</title>
	<author>metaforest</author>
	<datestamp>1245857460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iPhones have a serial port, USB 2.0 OTG port, video out, stereo\_audio\_line\_out, and stereo\_audio\_line\_in all on the interface connector, as well as a 3V ADC input (used for device/power detection)</p><p>BlueTooth provides support for HID, audio I/O and bulk data transfer.</p><p>Theoretically, you could plug your iPhone into a TV and use a WiiMote to control a game.</p><p>The iPhone is more like a handheld version of a high-end 1998-2000 desktop computer than a bleeding edge 1980's game-console cum desktop computer.</p><p>If you want to compare it to any 80's hardware, an Amiga would be a much fairer comparison.  The Amiga actually had hardware accelerated video AND provisions for video capture....  which the iPhone 3Gs can also do via the Camera....</p><p>Interestingly the iPhone 3Gs would easily outperform any laptop with a build date before circa 2001 in a computational benchmark, and any laptop build before 1998 in terms of available memory, and available storage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhones have a serial port , USB 2.0 OTG port , video out , stereo \ _audio \ _line \ _out , and stereo \ _audio \ _line \ _in all on the interface connector , as well as a 3V ADC input ( used for device/power detection ) BlueTooth provides support for HID , audio I/O and bulk data transfer.Theoretically , you could plug your iPhone into a TV and use a WiiMote to control a game.The iPhone is more like a handheld version of a high-end 1998-2000 desktop computer than a bleeding edge 1980 's game-console cum desktop computer.If you want to compare it to any 80 's hardware , an Amiga would be a much fairer comparison .
The Amiga actually had hardware accelerated video AND provisions for video capture.... which the iPhone 3Gs can also do via the Camera....Interestingly the iPhone 3Gs would easily outperform any laptop with a build date before circa 2001 in a computational benchmark , and any laptop build before 1998 in terms of available memory , and available storage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhones have a serial port, USB 2.0 OTG port, video out, stereo\_audio\_line\_out, and stereo\_audio\_line\_in all on the interface connector, as well as a 3V ADC input (used for device/power detection)BlueTooth provides support for HID, audio I/O and bulk data transfer.Theoretically, you could plug your iPhone into a TV and use a WiiMote to control a game.The iPhone is more like a handheld version of a high-end 1998-2000 desktop computer than a bleeding edge 1980's game-console cum desktop computer.If you want to compare it to any 80's hardware, an Amiga would be a much fairer comparison.
The Amiga actually had hardware accelerated video AND provisions for video capture....  which the iPhone 3Gs can also do via the Camera....Interestingly the iPhone 3Gs would easily outperform any laptop with a build date before circa 2001 in a computational benchmark, and any laptop build before 1998 in terms of available memory, and available storage.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439687</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28535207</id>
	<title>Re:Oh well...</title>
	<author>TheUnixGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1246358640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, I was thinking the same thing.. Well, almost.  (I already have a Commodore).

I don't own an iPhone, and am continually disappointed at Apple's blocking quality applications, and especially, not being consistent with what they allow, and what they don't.

This Commodore 64 emulator looks really nice.  I'd almost be tempted to buy an iPhone if this app were available.  But why would I buy a device I know won't run anything I want?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , I was thinking the same thing.. Well , almost .
( I already have a Commodore ) .
I do n't own an iPhone , and am continually disappointed at Apple 's blocking quality applications , and especially , not being consistent with what they allow , and what they do n't .
This Commodore 64 emulator looks really nice .
I 'd almost be tempted to buy an iPhone if this app were available .
But why would I buy a device I know wo n't run anything I want ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, I was thinking the same thing.. Well, almost.
(I already have a Commodore).
I don't own an iPhone, and am continually disappointed at Apple's blocking quality applications, and especially, not being consistent with what they allow, and what they don't.
This Commodore 64 emulator looks really nice.
I'd almost be tempted to buy an iPhone if this app were available.
But why would I buy a device I know won't run anything I want?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439417</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439445</id>
	<title>The developers are spreading FUD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's quite clear what Apple approved was selling individual C64 games or apps individually that used an emulator underneath. Not a full fledged emulator that would let you program your own games, or play whatever C64 software you have.</p><p>Apple probably read their website and realized their goal was quite different then what they were told earlier.</p><p>It's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it, and not arbitrary code.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's quite clear what Apple approved was selling individual C64 games or apps individually that used an emulator underneath .
Not a full fledged emulator that would let you program your own games , or play whatever C64 software you have.Apple probably read their website and realized their goal was quite different then what they were told earlier.It 's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it , and not arbitrary code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's quite clear what Apple approved was selling individual C64 games or apps individually that used an emulator underneath.
Not a full fledged emulator that would let you program your own games, or play whatever C64 software you have.Apple probably read their website and realized their goal was quite different then what they were told earlier.It's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it, and not arbitrary code.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440195</id>
	<title>Re:The only comparison that matters</title>
	<author>jandrese</author>
	<datestamp>1245777060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heck, if you jailbreak it you can develop on the phone itself.  I can't recommend that to all but the most hardened touchscreen enthusiast, but it is possible.  There are packages that have gcc and development headers available on Cydia, and they do work.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heck , if you jailbreak it you can develop on the phone itself .
I ca n't recommend that to all but the most hardened touchscreen enthusiast , but it is possible .
There are packages that have gcc and development headers available on Cydia , and they do work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heck, if you jailbreak it you can develop on the phone itself.
I can't recommend that to all but the most hardened touchscreen enthusiast, but it is possible.
There are packages that have gcc and development headers available on Cydia, and they do work.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439709</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28442459</id>
	<title>Re:The developers are spreading FUD</title>
	<author>vertinox</author>
	<datestamp>1245784920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's quite clear what Apple approved was selling individual C64 games or apps individually that used an emulator underneath. Not a full fledged emulator that would let you program your own games, or play whatever C64 software you have.</i></p><p>Which is why smart developers create <a href="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/appstoreeasteregg/" title="wired.com">"Easter Eggs"</a> [wired.com] in their iPhone apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's quite clear what Apple approved was selling individual C64 games or apps individually that used an emulator underneath .
Not a full fledged emulator that would let you program your own games , or play whatever C64 software you have.Which is why smart developers create " Easter Eggs " [ wired.com ] in their iPhone apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's quite clear what Apple approved was selling individual C64 games or apps individually that used an emulator underneath.
Not a full fledged emulator that would let you program your own games, or play whatever C64 software you have.Which is why smart developers create "Easter Eggs" [wired.com] in their iPhone apps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439445</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28441077</id>
	<title>Re:You *can* write &amp; run your own code on the</title>
	<author>bnenning</author>
	<datestamp>1245780300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I don't remember for sure - you might even be able to deploy to a phone that's physically connected to your Mac without paying anything.</i></p><p>You can, but only if you jailbreak. Build the app in Xcode without code signing, scp it to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/Applications on the iPhone, then run ldid (available in Cydia) to give it a fake signature that will allow it to run. Yes, this is very stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't remember for sure - you might even be able to deploy to a phone that 's physically connected to your Mac without paying anything.You can , but only if you jailbreak .
Build the app in Xcode without code signing , scp it to /Applications on the iPhone , then run ldid ( available in Cydia ) to give it a fake signature that will allow it to run .
Yes , this is very stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't remember for sure - you might even be able to deploy to a phone that's physically connected to your Mac without paying anything.You can, but only if you jailbreak.
Build the app in Xcode without code signing, scp it to /Applications on the iPhone, then run ldid (available in Cydia) to give it a fake signature that will allow it to run.
Yes, this is very stupid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440025</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439571</id>
	<title>Nice comparison</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1245774600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, the AT&amp;T contract was only required in the USA; in parts of the rest of the world dial-up access was available without a contract from a phone company in the '80s.  The price comparison doesn't include the contract for the iPhone.  Comparing it to one on a pre-pay contract would be more fair, which brings the C-64 a lot closer (until you account for inflation).  </p><p>
The iPhone wins on portability, although the C-64 could drive an external display including a large TV (no HD support though).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , the AT&amp;T contract was only required in the USA ; in parts of the rest of the world dial-up access was available without a contract from a phone company in the '80s .
The price comparison does n't include the contract for the iPhone .
Comparing it to one on a pre-pay contract would be more fair , which brings the C-64 a lot closer ( until you account for inflation ) .
The iPhone wins on portability , although the C-64 could drive an external display including a large TV ( no HD support though ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, the AT&amp;T contract was only required in the USA; in parts of the rest of the world dial-up access was available without a contract from a phone company in the '80s.
The price comparison doesn't include the contract for the iPhone.
Comparing it to one on a pre-pay contract would be more fair, which brings the C-64 a lot closer (until you account for inflation).
The iPhone wins on portability, although the C-64 could drive an external display including a large TV (no HD support though).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440185</id>
	<title>Re:Nice Shapshot!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245777000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bah, you don't need that fat old Apache.<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contiki" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contiki</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Web brower / server / and even ipv6 stack (does the iPhone have ipv6?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bah , you do n't need that fat old Apache.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contiki [ wikipedia.org ] Web brower / server / and even ipv6 stack ( does the iPhone have ipv6 ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bah, you don't need that fat old Apache.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contiki [wikipedia.org]Web brower / server / and even ipv6 stack (does the iPhone have ipv6?
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439493</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28442311</id>
	<title>Will this set the standard for emulator support</title>
	<author>Orion Blastar</author>
	<datestamp>1245784440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>on the iPhone?</p><p>So no Apple<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//, Mac OS 9-, Commodore Amiga, Atari ST, Atari 400/800, or even TRS-80 and MS-DOS emulators on the iPhone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>on the iPhone ? So no Apple // , Mac OS 9- , Commodore Amiga , Atari ST , Atari 400/800 , or even TRS-80 and MS-DOS emulators on the iPhone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>on the iPhone?So no Apple //, Mac OS 9-, Commodore Amiga, Atari ST, Atari 400/800, or even TRS-80 and MS-DOS emulators on the iPhone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28448375</id>
	<title>Commodore SUX! ATARI Rulz!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245770880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's the first time I've typed that title in at least 24 years, but it's still true!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... dammit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's the first time I 've typed that title in at least 24 years , but it 's still true !
... dammit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's the first time I've typed that title in at least 24 years, but it's still true!
... dammit!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439903</id>
	<title>Re:The only comparison that matters</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245776040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, you can write and run your own code on your iPhone.  Just <a href="http://developer.apple.com/iphone/" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">download the SDK</a> [apple.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , you can write and run your own code on your iPhone .
Just download the SDK [ apple.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, you can write and run your own code on your iPhone.
Just download the SDK [apple.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439709</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440293</id>
	<title>Darned work computer...</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1245777420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just realized yesterday that my phone (Motorola i776) has as much memory as the computer at work which they refuse to upgrade. The first computer I had that would run DOS was a used IBM-XT, with 1/5 the drive space my phone has memory (unless I'm screwing up the math, I think I'm getting heat stroke from foolishly going outside). The XT had 175k IIRC.</p><p>I just read TFA, what are the respective clock speeds? The XP was 4 mz, I have no idea how fast my phone's (or the iPhone's) processor is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just realized yesterday that my phone ( Motorola i776 ) has as much memory as the computer at work which they refuse to upgrade .
The first computer I had that would run DOS was a used IBM-XT , with 1/5 the drive space my phone has memory ( unless I 'm screwing up the math , I think I 'm getting heat stroke from foolishly going outside ) .
The XT had 175k IIRC.I just read TFA , what are the respective clock speeds ?
The XP was 4 mz , I have no idea how fast my phone 's ( or the iPhone 's ) processor is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just realized yesterday that my phone (Motorola i776) has as much memory as the computer at work which they refuse to upgrade.
The first computer I had that would run DOS was a used IBM-XT, with 1/5 the drive space my phone has memory (unless I'm screwing up the math, I think I'm getting heat stroke from foolishly going outside).
The XT had 175k IIRC.I just read TFA, what are the respective clock speeds?
The XP was 4 mz, I have no idea how fast my phone's (or the iPhone's) processor is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439719</id>
	<title>Yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245775020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...can they run Linux?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...can they run Linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...can they run Linux?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440661</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245778800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, maybe...;-)</p><p><a href="http://lng.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net" rel="nofollow">http://lng.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , maybe... ; - ) http : //lng.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, maybe...;-)http://lng.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439719</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28441033</id>
	<title>Re:Nice comparison</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1245780120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare the iPhone 3GS to the Apple IIgs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it be more appropriate to compare the iPhone 3GS to the Apple IIgs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it be more appropriate to compare the iPhone 3GS to the Apple IIgs?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439571</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439875</id>
	<title>cmon...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245775800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>can I have my click back?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>can I have my click back ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can I have my click back?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439687</id>
	<title>Joystick + RS232  Bluetooth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know about you guys, but I'd take joysticks ports and RS232 over Bluetooth any day.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about you guys , but I 'd take joysticks ports and RS232 over Bluetooth any day .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about you guys, but I'd take joysticks ports and RS232 over Bluetooth any day.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28448859</id>
	<title>Re:The developers are spreading FUD</title>
	<author>Nazlfrag</author>
	<datestamp>1245775860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yep. They missed one comparison:</p><p>Freedom to use your own device as you see fit.</p><p>Before you yell 'Jailbreak!' I'm talking about what Apple vs. Commodore offers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep .
They missed one comparison : Freedom to use your own device as you see fit.Before you yell 'Jailbreak !
' I 'm talking about what Apple vs. Commodore offers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep.
They missed one comparison:Freedom to use your own device as you see fit.Before you yell 'Jailbreak!
' I'm talking about what Apple vs. Commodore offers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439445</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28448953</id>
	<title>"Those were the days"...</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1245776760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.kyon.pl/swf/12286.html" title="www.kyon.pl">http://www.kyon.pl/swf/12286.html</a> [www.kyon.pl] (a bit British-centric, but still...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.kyon.pl/swf/12286.html [ www.kyon.pl ] ( a bit British-centric , but still... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.kyon.pl/swf/12286.html [www.kyon.pl] (a bit British-centric, but still...)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439501</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439929</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245776100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>They forgot to include FREEDOM. You were free on the C64, no one could stop you from making applications, running them and distributing them freely to friends, </i></p><p>And for $0.99 apiece 100 of you and your friends can chip in for a developer account which gives you all that F-F-FREEEEEDDDOOOMMMM.</p><p>If passing the minimal sanity and seriousness validation of acquiring a developer account is too much of a hurdle for you, well then no you actually should not be playing with the grownup toys, kid. Back to F-F-FRREEEDDOOOMMMM whiny git land with you!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They forgot to include FREEDOM .
You were free on the C64 , no one could stop you from making applications , running them and distributing them freely to friends , And for $ 0.99 apiece 100 of you and your friends can chip in for a developer account which gives you all that F-F-FREEEEEDDDOOOMMMM.If passing the minimal sanity and seriousness validation of acquiring a developer account is too much of a hurdle for you , well then no you actually should not be playing with the grownup toys , kid .
Back to F-F-FRREEEDDOOOMMMM whiny git land with you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They forgot to include FREEDOM.
You were free on the C64, no one could stop you from making applications, running them and distributing them freely to friends, And for $0.99 apiece 100 of you and your friends can chip in for a developer account which gives you all that F-F-FREEEEEDDDOOOMMMM.If passing the minimal sanity and seriousness validation of acquiring a developer account is too much of a hurdle for you, well then no you actually should not be playing with the grownup toys, kid.
Back to F-F-FRREEEDDOOOMMMM whiny git land with you!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28447123</id>
	<title>Re:Flash emulator</title>
	<author>bhtooefr</author>
	<datestamp>1245759780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slashdot is US-centric, so we're used to shift-'. (Which is the key to the immediate left of a horizontal enter key.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot is US-centric , so we 're used to shift-' .
( Which is the key to the immediate left of a horizontal enter key .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot is US-centric, so we're used to shift-'.
(Which is the key to the immediate left of a horizontal enter key.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439851</id>
	<title>Units... sigh.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245775740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; 300-bps, initially</p><p>&gt; 7.2mbps, if AT&amp;T ever supports it nationwide</p><p>Well... 300 bits per second is indeed more than 7.2 millibits per second.  I guess the Commodore wins.</p><p>Why am I nitting on this?  Because typical unit failure tends to make software people look bad when interfacing with engineers/physicists, etc.   Please, "nerds", make an attempt to understand units.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; 300-bps , initially &gt; 7.2mbps , if AT&amp;T ever supports it nationwideWell... 300 bits per second is indeed more than 7.2 millibits per second .
I guess the Commodore wins.Why am I nitting on this ?
Because typical unit failure tends to make software people look bad when interfacing with engineers/physicists , etc .
Please , " nerds " , make an attempt to understand units .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; 300-bps, initially&gt; 7.2mbps, if AT&amp;T ever supports it nationwideWell... 300 bits per second is indeed more than 7.2 millibits per second.
I guess the Commodore wins.Why am I nitting on this?
Because typical unit failure tends to make software people look bad when interfacing with engineers/physicists, etc.
Please, "nerds", make an attempt to understand units.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28447185</id>
	<title>Re:The only comparison that matters</title>
	<author>LihTox</author>
	<datestamp>1245760200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The only comparison that matters is you could write and run your own code on the C64 and you cannot on the iPhone.</i></p><p>Hmm, I would have thought another important distinction would be that one of them fits in your pocket, and the other is the size of a breadbox, not including the monitor.</p><p>Not to dismiss the calls for greater openness on the iPhone, which I fully support, but I can't help but imagine what a typical C64 user back in the day would think about this conversation.  "Wait, you want to run a program on your WHAT?  Your PHONE?  Does your program have to be all in numbers, or what?  Can I program with a rotary dial?"  (I know most phones were touch-tone at the time, but we still had a rotary dial.)</p><p>It's just funny.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only comparison that matters is you could write and run your own code on the C64 and you can not on the iPhone.Hmm , I would have thought another important distinction would be that one of them fits in your pocket , and the other is the size of a breadbox , not including the monitor.Not to dismiss the calls for greater openness on the iPhone , which I fully support , but I ca n't help but imagine what a typical C64 user back in the day would think about this conversation .
" Wait , you want to run a program on your WHAT ?
Your PHONE ?
Does your program have to be all in numbers , or what ?
Can I program with a rotary dial ?
" ( I know most phones were touch-tone at the time , but we still had a rotary dial .
) It 's just funny .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only comparison that matters is you could write and run your own code on the C64 and you cannot on the iPhone.Hmm, I would have thought another important distinction would be that one of them fits in your pocket, and the other is the size of a breadbox, not including the monitor.Not to dismiss the calls for greater openness on the iPhone, which I fully support, but I can't help but imagine what a typical C64 user back in the day would think about this conversation.
"Wait, you want to run a program on your WHAT?
Your PHONE?
Does your program have to be all in numbers, or what?
Can I program with a rotary dial?
"  (I know most phones were touch-tone at the time, but we still had a rotary dial.
)It's just funny.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439709</id>
	<title>The only comparison that matters</title>
	<author>h4rr4r</author>
	<datestamp>1245775020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only comparison that matters is you could write and run your own code on the C64 and you cannot on the iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only comparison that matters is you could write and run your own code on the C64 and you can not on the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only comparison that matters is you could write and run your own code on the C64 and you cannot on the iPhone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440113</id>
	<title>Re:The developers are spreading FUD</title>
	<author>mini me</author>
	<datestamp>1245776820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it, and not arbitrary code.</p></div></blockquote><p>Except it's not clear. There's a <a href="http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=308138830&amp;mt=8" title="apple.com">Brainfuck interpreter</a> [apple.com], as well as a <a href="http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=287653015&amp;mt=8" title="apple.com">Z-machine interpreter</a> [apple.com]. Both execute arbitrary code which can be downloaded from a remote source, or entered right on the device itself.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it , and not arbitrary code.Except it 's not clear .
There 's a Brainfuck interpreter [ apple.com ] , as well as a Z-machine interpreter [ apple.com ] .
Both execute arbitrary code which can be downloaded from a remote source , or entered right on the device itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's quite clear that an emulator is OK as long as it can only run the app sold with it, and not arbitrary code.Except it's not clear.
There's a Brainfuck interpreter [apple.com], as well as a Z-machine interpreter [apple.com].
Both execute arbitrary code which can be downloaded from a remote source, or entered right on the device itself.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28443323</id>
	<title>10000 apps? I don't think so.</title>
	<author>Perseid</author>
	<datestamp>1245787980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.gamebase64.com/" title="gamebase64.com">http://www.gamebase64.com/</a> [gamebase64.com] This database has 20000 games. Those are just the ones they've found and it doesn't even include actual applications, only games. The total number of programs for the C-64 is probably far more than 50000.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.gamebase64.com/ [ gamebase64.com ] This database has 20000 games .
Those are just the ones they 've found and it does n't even include actual applications , only games .
The total number of programs for the C-64 is probably far more than 50000 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.gamebase64.com/ [gamebase64.com] This database has 20000 games.
Those are just the ones they've found and it doesn't even include actual applications, only games.
The total number of programs for the C-64 is probably far more than 50000.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439831</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245775620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>who gives a fuck. go read that article about condoms. linux fags are too dumb to use a condom and are all dying of aids. i hate linux and the faggot fucks who use it. fucking homosexual ass lickers. <br> <br>DIE DIE DIE!!!!! BURN IN HELL FAGGOTS!!!!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>who gives a fuck .
go read that article about condoms .
linux fags are too dumb to use a condom and are all dying of aids .
i hate linux and the faggot fucks who use it .
fucking homosexual ass lickers .
DIE DIE DIE ! ! ! ! !
BURN IN HELL FAGGOTS ! ! ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>who gives a fuck.
go read that article about condoms.
linux fags are too dumb to use a condom and are all dying of aids.
i hate linux and the faggot fucks who use it.
fucking homosexual ass lickers.
DIE DIE DIE!!!!!
BURN IN HELL FAGGOTS!!!!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440225</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245777240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wank wank wank...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wank wank wank.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wank wank wank...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440847</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>leighklotz</author>
	<datestamp>1245779460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They forgot to include FREEDOM. You were free on the C64, no one could stop you from making applications, running them and distributing them freely to friends, who in turn, without big brother watching, could distribute your creations as well. You're not even allowed ot run a python interpreter on the iphone.</p><p>And don't tell me about jailbreaking, jailbreaking is a DMCA violation and if AT&amp;T catches you, you will be kicked off their network. You don't have control of your device, with the C64 you did.</p></div><p>So get a G1 phone.  It has a keyboard.  And with the developer (unsubsidized)  version you get to choose your network.<br>I don't understand why everybody plays Apple's game and gives them publicity about, for Pete's sake, turning down applications!<br>Just abandon them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They forgot to include FREEDOM .
You were free on the C64 , no one could stop you from making applications , running them and distributing them freely to friends , who in turn , without big brother watching , could distribute your creations as well .
You 're not even allowed ot run a python interpreter on the iphone.And do n't tell me about jailbreaking , jailbreaking is a DMCA violation and if AT&amp;T catches you , you will be kicked off their network .
You do n't have control of your device , with the C64 you did.So get a G1 phone .
It has a keyboard .
And with the developer ( unsubsidized ) version you get to choose your network.I do n't understand why everybody plays Apple 's game and gives them publicity about , for Pete 's sake , turning down applications ! Just abandon them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They forgot to include FREEDOM.
You were free on the C64, no one could stop you from making applications, running them and distributing them freely to friends, who in turn, without big brother watching, could distribute your creations as well.
You're not even allowed ot run a python interpreter on the iphone.And don't tell me about jailbreaking, jailbreaking is a DMCA violation and if AT&amp;T catches you, you will be kicked off their network.
You don't have control of your device, with the C64 you did.So get a G1 phone.
It has a keyboard.
And with the developer (unsubsidized)  version you get to choose your network.I don't understand why everybody plays Apple's game and gives them publicity about, for Pete's sake, turning down applications!Just abandon them.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439849</id>
	<title>Surprised to see that C64 won all benchmark tests</title>
	<author>julie-h</author>
	<datestamp>1245775680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I must say I was surprised to see that the C64 won all the benchmark tests.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I must say I was surprised to see that the C64 won all the benchmark tests .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must say I was surprised to see that the C64 won all the benchmark tests.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440407</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>ckaminski</author>
	<datestamp>1245777900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry, in the Palm world, or the Windows Mobile world, the cost of entry, aside from the phone itself, is exactly $0.  There are no gatekeepers.  I'm holding out hope the Pre will turn out the same fashion, but I doubt it.  Looks like I'm switching to AT&amp;T so I can import some of the better European phones.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , in the Palm world , or the Windows Mobile world , the cost of entry , aside from the phone itself , is exactly $ 0 .
There are no gatekeepers .
I 'm holding out hope the Pre will turn out the same fashion , but I doubt it .
Looks like I 'm switching to AT&amp;T so I can import some of the better European phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, in the Palm world, or the Windows Mobile world, the cost of entry, aside from the phone itself, is exactly $0.
There are no gatekeepers.
I'm holding out hope the Pre will turn out the same fashion, but I doubt it.
Looks like I'm switching to AT&amp;T so I can import some of the better European phones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28447657</id>
	<title>Re:The developers are spreading FUD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245763560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>their goal was quite different then what they were told earlier.</i> <br>
&nbsp; <br>THAN not THEN, you idiot! Learn the difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>their goal was quite different then what they were told earlier .
  THAN not THEN , you idiot !
Learn the difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>their goal was quite different then what they were told earlier.
  THAN not THEN, you idiot!
Learn the difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28441243</id>
	<title>Re:Flash emulator</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245780900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>10 x=int(15*rnd(1))<br>20 poke 53280,x:poke 53281,x<br>30 goto 10</p><p>I still remember those poke values and many others.  Wow, I am lame.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>10 x = int ( 15 * rnd ( 1 ) ) 20 poke 53280,x : poke 53281,x30 goto 10I still remember those poke values and many others .
Wow , I am lame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>10 x=int(15*rnd(1))20 poke 53280,x:poke 53281,x30 goto 10I still remember those poke values and many others.
Wow, I am lame.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439925</id>
	<title>Re:Unfair comparison -- didn't include FREEDOM</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1245776100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Calm down.<br>I agree not only could you write any code you wanted for free but Commodore included the scematics of the C-64! At least they did with mine but I had an early one.<br>Not only that people disassembled the kernel and wrote books that included the listing and nobody sent them a take down notice!<br>That was simpler time full of Compute and Byte magazine and taking your best girl to see ET and WarGames.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Calm down.I agree not only could you write any code you wanted for free but Commodore included the scematics of the C-64 !
At least they did with mine but I had an early one.Not only that people disassembled the kernel and wrote books that included the listing and nobody sent them a take down notice ! That was simpler time full of Compute and Byte magazine and taking your best girl to see ET and WarGames .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Calm down.I agree not only could you write any code you wanted for free but Commodore included the scematics of the C-64!
At least they did with mine but I had an early one.Not only that people disassembled the kernel and wrote books that included the listing and nobody sent them a take down notice!That was simpler time full of Compute and Byte magazine and taking your best girl to see ET and WarGames.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28439705</id>
	<title>Re:Nice Shapshot!</title>
	<author>downix</author>
	<datestamp>1245774960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So has the Commodore 64:</p><p><a href="http://www.c64web.com/" title="c64web.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.c64web.com/</a> [c64web.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So has the Commodore 64 : http : //www.c64web.com/ [ c64web.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So has the Commodore 64:http://www.c64web.com/ [c64web.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28456617</id>
	<title>Re:The only comparison that matters</title>
	<author>Mr Z</author>
	<datestamp>1245873300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does it run on the iPhone or do I have to go buy proprietary hardware to run the SDK?  From what my iPhone-owning (and developing) friend tells me, the SDK won't even run on his dual G5 Mac.  He tried to sell it to me, and I'm like "What good is it?  Jobs has decreed it obsolete."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does it run on the iPhone or do I have to go buy proprietary hardware to run the SDK ?
From what my iPhone-owning ( and developing ) friend tells me , the SDK wo n't even run on his dual G5 Mac .
He tried to sell it to me , and I 'm like " What good is it ?
Jobs has decreed it obsolete .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does it run on the iPhone or do I have to go buy proprietary hardware to run the SDK?
From what my iPhone-owning (and developing) friend tells me, the SDK won't even run on his dual G5 Mac.
He tried to sell it to me, and I'm like "What good is it?
Jobs has decreed it obsolete.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28440291</id>
	<title>Hah awesome article</title>
	<author>xednieht</author>
	<datestamp>1245777420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nice stroll down memory lane... heh</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice stroll down memory lane... heh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice stroll down memory lane... heh</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1442223.28450257</id>
	<title>Re:You *can* write &amp; run your own code on the</title>
	<author>peppepz</author>
	<datestamp>1245835860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I agree that you're nowhere near as free on the iPhone as we were on the C64, but <b>it's just wrong to say that we can't run any code we like on our phone</b></p> </div><p>
No, it&rsquo;s just true.<br>
In order to make <i>any</i> use of the iPhone SDK, you must accept its license agreements, which greatly limits the code you can write for your phone without breaking the law.<br>
So you can&rsquo;t &ldquo;run any code you like&rdquo; on your phone, not more than you can grab as much money as you like from your bank if you&rsquo;re bold enough.
</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I think it's also worth pointing out that there are huge potential exploits on a phone that weren't there on a C64.  E.g. I could distribute a free app that eventually calls a 1-900 number I own, with no modem sticking out the back for you to disconnect.</p></div><p>This is FUD. The vast majority of the smartphones sold worldwide have the same potential exploits, yet their manufacturers do not enforce any limit on the freedom of their developers. Applications simply popup a warning asking the user to confirm the use of potentially problematic features. And remember that applications are digitally signed, so the authors of rogue applications would be promptly spotted.<br>
Apple&rsquo;s restrictions on the iPhone offer security as a side effect, but what they really are about is control.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree that you 're nowhere near as free on the iPhone as we were on the C64 , but it 's just wrong to say that we ca n't run any code we like on our phone No , it    s just true .
In order to make any use of the iPhone SDK , you must accept its license agreements , which greatly limits the code you can write for your phone without breaking the law .
So you can    t    run any code you like    on your phone , not more than you can grab as much money as you like from your bank if you    re bold enough .
I think it 's also worth pointing out that there are huge potential exploits on a phone that were n't there on a C64 .
E.g. I could distribute a free app that eventually calls a 1-900 number I own , with no modem sticking out the back for you to disconnect.This is FUD .
The vast majority of the smartphones sold worldwide have the same potential exploits , yet their manufacturers do not enforce any limit on the freedom of their developers .
Applications simply popup a warning asking the user to confirm the use of potentially problematic features .
And remember that applications are digitally signed , so the authors of rogue applications would be promptly spotted .
Apple    s restrictions on the iPhone offer security as a side effect , but what they really are about is control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree that you're nowhere near as free on the iPhone as we were on the C64, but it's just wrong to say that we can't run any code we like on our phone 
No, it’s just true.
In order to make any use of the iPhone SDK, you must accept its license agreements, which greatly limits the code you can write for your phone without breaking the law.
So you can’t “run any code you like” on your phone, not more than you can grab as much money as you like from your bank if you’re bold enough.
I think it's also worth pointing out that there are huge potential exploits on a phone that weren't there on a C64.
E.g. I could distribute a free app that eventually calls a 1-900 number I own, with no modem sticking out the back for you to disconnect.This is FUD.
The vast majority of the smartphones sold worldwide have the same potential exploits, yet their manufacturers do not enforce any limit on the freedom of their developers.
Applications simply popup a warning asking the user to confirm the use of potentially problematic features.
And remember that applications are digitally signed, so the authors of rogue applications would be promptly spotted.
Apple’s restrictions on the iPhone offer security as a side effect, but what they really are about is control.
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