<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_22_225207</id>
	<title>ASCAP Wants To Be Paid When Your Phone Rings</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245666000000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>gerddie notes a piece up on the EFF site outlining the <a href="http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/06/ascap-wants-be-paid-">fairly outlandish legal theories</a> ASCAP is trying out in their court fight with AT&amp;T. <i>"<a href="http://www.ascap.com/">ASCAP</a> (the same folks who went after <a href="http://www.brandnamebullies.com/excerpts.html">Girl Scouts for singing around a campfire</a>) appears to believe that every time your musical ringtone rings in public, you're violating copyright law by 'publicly performing' it without a license. At least that's the import of a <a href="http://www.eff.org/files/(Redacted)\%20ASCAP's\%20Opposition\%20to\%20AT&amp;T's\%20MSJ\%20Ringtones.pdf">brief</a> (PDF, 2.5 MB) it filed in ASCAP's court battle with mobile phone giant AT&amp;T."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>gerddie notes a piece up on the EFF site outlining the fairly outlandish legal theories ASCAP is trying out in their court fight with AT&amp;T .
" ASCAP ( the same folks who went after Girl Scouts for singing around a campfire ) appears to believe that every time your musical ringtone rings in public , you 're violating copyright law by 'publicly performing ' it without a license .
At least that 's the import of a brief ( PDF , 2.5 MB ) it filed in ASCAP 's court battle with mobile phone giant AT&amp;T .
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<sentencetext>gerddie notes a piece up on the EFF site outlining the fairly outlandish legal theories ASCAP is trying out in their court fight with AT&amp;T.
"ASCAP (the same folks who went after Girl Scouts for singing around a campfire) appears to believe that every time your musical ringtone rings in public, you're violating copyright law by 'publicly performing' it without a license.
At least that's the import of a brief (PDF, 2.5 MB) it filed in ASCAP's court battle with mobile phone giant AT&amp;T.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430447</id>
	<title>I don't mean to be ridiculous but ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245670800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I once fell down the stairs and the next day I recieved a bill from ASCAP and RIAA for performing a Lars Ulrich drum solo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... ok, maybe I do mean to be ridiculous.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I once fell down the stairs and the next day I recieved a bill from ASCAP and RIAA for performing a Lars Ulrich drum solo ... ok , maybe I do mean to be ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I once fell down the stairs and the next day I recieved a bill from ASCAP and RIAA for performing a Lars Ulrich drum solo ... ok, maybe I do mean to be ridiculous.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28446119</id>
	<title>Re:One cannot help but wonder . . .</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1245754860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever read the bible?</p><p>God is the most foul and evil creature in all of fiction, the bastard drowned everyone at least once in the storyline.</p><p>The RIAA would certainly be a creation of GOD.<br>I don't know why Satan gets such bad rep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever read the bible ? God is the most foul and evil creature in all of fiction , the bastard drowned everyone at least once in the storyline.The RIAA would certainly be a creation of GOD.I do n't know why Satan gets such bad rep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever read the bible?God is the most foul and evil creature in all of fiction, the bastard drowned everyone at least once in the storyline.The RIAA would certainly be a creation of GOD.I don't know why Satan gets such bad rep.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431757</id>
	<title>Reverend Mike</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245675540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay. This is just retarded. A musical ringtone is not a public performance and it definitely does not violate copyright law.</p><p>Even if we give them the benefit of the doubt and agree that it is a public performance, ringtones NEVER contain the entire song. Using only a portion of a copyrighted piece of work without the artist's permission qualifies as fair use and is therefore perfectly legal.</p><p>Go eat a bag of dicks, ASCAP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay .
This is just retarded .
A musical ringtone is not a public performance and it definitely does not violate copyright law.Even if we give them the benefit of the doubt and agree that it is a public performance , ringtones NEVER contain the entire song .
Using only a portion of a copyrighted piece of work without the artist 's permission qualifies as fair use and is therefore perfectly legal.Go eat a bag of dicks , ASCAP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay.
This is just retarded.
A musical ringtone is not a public performance and it definitely does not violate copyright law.Even if we give them the benefit of the doubt and agree that it is a public performance, ringtones NEVER contain the entire song.
Using only a portion of a copyrighted piece of work without the artist's permission qualifies as fair use and is therefore perfectly legal.Go eat a bag of dicks, ASCAP.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432441</id>
	<title>Re:Everybody wants to be rich...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245678660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fo shizzle. I want to be rich from doing nothing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fo shizzle .
I want to be rich from doing nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fo shizzle.
I want to be rich from doing nothing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28442743</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245785940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except for making it less convenient, for an interested party, to somehow "facilitate" the copyright owner's departure.<br>I mean, you wouldn't cut someone's car's brake lines knowing that, 30 years from now, you'll be able to profit from his inventions.<br>If the patent protection disappears just a few days after that, the "facilitated suicide" of the holder may become quite an appealing option for ruthless businessmen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except for making it less convenient , for an interested party , to somehow " facilitate " the copyright owner 's departure.I mean , you would n't cut someone 's car 's brake lines knowing that , 30 years from now , you 'll be able to profit from his inventions.If the patent protection disappears just a few days after that , the " facilitated suicide " of the holder may become quite an appealing option for ruthless businessmen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except for making it less convenient, for an interested party, to somehow "facilitate" the copyright owner's departure.I mean, you wouldn't cut someone's car's brake lines knowing that, 30 years from now, you'll be able to profit from his inventions.If the patent protection disappears just a few days after that, the "facilitated suicide" of the holder may become quite an appealing option for ruthless businessmen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431661</id>
	<title>Re:Slippery slope on "public performance"</title>
	<author>Basilius</author>
	<datestamp>1245675000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I really would prefer it if you people could just turn your music down. I don't care if you want to destroy your eardrums listening to crap. I just don't want to hear music so loud it drowns out normal conversations from people on the street.</p></div><p>See, the thing is, it doesn't have to be THAT loud.</p><p>All it has to be is loud enough for <i>someone</i> else to hear. Could be the person in the neighboring car. If we're both stopped at a light next to each other, it doesn't take a whole lot of volume for my music to be audible in your car. And that, by ASCAP's logic, is a public "performance."</p><p>And you can't tell me you've never cranked your stereo when one of your favorite songs comes on.  We've all done it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really would prefer it if you people could just turn your music down .
I do n't care if you want to destroy your eardrums listening to crap .
I just do n't want to hear music so loud it drowns out normal conversations from people on the street.See , the thing is , it does n't have to be THAT loud.All it has to be is loud enough for someone else to hear .
Could be the person in the neighboring car .
If we 're both stopped at a light next to each other , it does n't take a whole lot of volume for my music to be audible in your car .
And that , by ASCAP 's logic , is a public " performance .
" And you ca n't tell me you 've never cranked your stereo when one of your favorite songs comes on .
We 've all done it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really would prefer it if you people could just turn your music down.
I don't care if you want to destroy your eardrums listening to crap.
I just don't want to hear music so loud it drowns out normal conversations from people on the street.See, the thing is, it doesn't have to be THAT loud.All it has to be is loud enough for someone else to hear.
Could be the person in the neighboring car.
If we're both stopped at a light next to each other, it doesn't take a whole lot of volume for my music to be audible in your car.
And that, by ASCAP's logic, is a public "performance.
"And you can't tell me you've never cranked your stereo when one of your favorite songs comes on.
We've all done it.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28435245</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245697140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Patents have nothing to do with copyright and neither should they be extended past their current term.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Patents have nothing to do with copyright and neither should they be extended past their current term .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Patents have nothing to do with copyright and neither should they be extended past their current term.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28434041</id>
	<title>Re:I don't mean to be ridiculous but ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245687420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you get the name of the lawyer?  I'm looking for one.  I swear those iFart app guys totally ripped me off!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you get the name of the lawyer ?
I 'm looking for one .
I swear those iFart app guys totally ripped me off !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you get the name of the lawyer?
I'm looking for one.
I swear those iFart app guys totally ripped me off!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430183</id>
	<title>Everybody wants to be rich...</title>
	<author>msantosn</author>
	<datestamp>1245669840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can't believe why everybody wants to be rich without doing nothing... Really, this is just going insane!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe why everybody wants to be rich without doing nothing... Really , this is just going insane !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe why everybody wants to be rich without doing nothing... Really, this is just going insane!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430815</id>
	<title>Re:What about radios, etc?</title>
	<author>Vectronic</author>
	<datestamp>1245672120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/30/1724210" title="slashdot.org">PRS Demands License Fee To Play Music To Horses</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>PRS Demands License Fee To Play Music To Horses [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>PRS Demands License Fee To Play Music To Horses [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431353</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1245673920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even if ASCAP doesn't win, the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones.</p></div><p>If i cut a ringtone from a song I own as mp3, its probably an illegal copy to them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if ASCAP does n't win , the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones.If i cut a ringtone from a song I own as mp3 , its probably an illegal copy to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if ASCAP doesn't win, the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones.If i cut a ringtone from a song I own as mp3, its probably an illegal copy to them.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432407</id>
	<title>Re:Hold on, ASCAP != RIAA</title>
	<author>Jaime2</author>
	<datestamp>1245678480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...to retrive the royalties I had earned...</p></div><p>Exactly what did you do to earn those dollars from the performance in Poland?  Had they not played the music, would you have more free time to be with your family or to produce more music?  Don't get me wrong, I'm for the fair compensation of artists.  However, I believe that society should choose to provide incentives for artists to continue producing works of art.  This is a willfull decision to give people a means to live (money) even though they don't produce anything that is physically valuable to society.  It is a gift.  You seem to believe that that money was rightfully owed to you and copyright law only serves to clarify that fact.  The right to be free is natural, the right to be payed for music is not.<br>
<br>
The public tide is turning.  If you guys don't act a bit more gracious and keep letting these ruthless organizations do your dirty work, the people of the world may decide you are not worth the investment and go back to the old "patron of the arts" model where you get to be some rich guy's live-in artist.</p></div>
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<tokenext>...to retrive the royalties I had earned...Exactly what did you do to earn those dollars from the performance in Poland ?
Had they not played the music , would you have more free time to be with your family or to produce more music ?
Do n't get me wrong , I 'm for the fair compensation of artists .
However , I believe that society should choose to provide incentives for artists to continue producing works of art .
This is a willfull decision to give people a means to live ( money ) even though they do n't produce anything that is physically valuable to society .
It is a gift .
You seem to believe that that money was rightfully owed to you and copyright law only serves to clarify that fact .
The right to be free is natural , the right to be payed for music is not .
The public tide is turning .
If you guys do n't act a bit more gracious and keep letting these ruthless organizations do your dirty work , the people of the world may decide you are not worth the investment and go back to the old " patron of the arts " model where you get to be some rich guy 's live-in artist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...to retrive the royalties I had earned...Exactly what did you do to earn those dollars from the performance in Poland?
Had they not played the music, would you have more free time to be with your family or to produce more music?
Don't get me wrong, I'm for the fair compensation of artists.
However, I believe that society should choose to provide incentives for artists to continue producing works of art.
This is a willfull decision to give people a means to live (money) even though they don't produce anything that is physically valuable to society.
It is a gift.
You seem to believe that that money was rightfully owed to you and copyright law only serves to clarify that fact.
The right to be free is natural, the right to be payed for music is not.
The public tide is turning.
If you guys don't act a bit more gracious and keep letting these ruthless organizations do your dirty work, the people of the world may decide you are not worth the investment and go back to the old "patron of the arts" model where you get to be some rich guy's live-in artist.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28435915</id>
	<title>Re:No Ringtones</title>
	<author>IBBoard</author>
	<datestamp>1245790080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eaxctly - I <i>want</i> them to ring so that I don't have to listen to tinny, fuzzy, crackling "songs" as people's ringtones. It'd be even better if it could then be followed up by law suits against all the idiots who play songs through their phones and just wander down the street with some horribly tinny dance/charts track playing away for everyone to hear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Eaxctly - I want them to ring so that I do n't have to listen to tinny , fuzzy , crackling " songs " as people 's ringtones .
It 'd be even better if it could then be followed up by law suits against all the idiots who play songs through their phones and just wander down the street with some horribly tinny dance/charts track playing away for everyone to hear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eaxctly - I want them to ring so that I don't have to listen to tinny, fuzzy, crackling "songs" as people's ringtones.
It'd be even better if it could then be followed up by law suits against all the idiots who play songs through their phones and just wander down the street with some horribly tinny dance/charts track playing away for everyone to hear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431537</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>TemporalBeing</author>
	<datestamp>1245674460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Even if ASCAP doesn't win, the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones.</p></div><p>Well, I think the case begs an interesting question:  If this isn't a <a href="http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/scope.html#performance" title="bitlaw.com">public performance</a> [bitlaw.com], then why not?  <a href="http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110" title="copyright.gov">Which exception</a> [copyright.gov] governs it?</p><p>I'm not an IP law student or lawyer, but I don't see an exception that governs this case.  I'd imagine that determining when and how to bill when your phone rings in a situation that's sufficiently public would be nightmarish, but it seems like their case passes the laugh test.</p></div><p>While IANAL, I think it would go under the the intended use. While some people have specifically loaded MP3/RAW Media tracks/etc onto their phone for use, the number of people that only get their ringtone's form "official providers" (e.g. their phone service, etc.) and probably either purchase (or receive for free) the ringtones from that official service. Thus, if the service licensed the use of the media with the intent of offering on that service - which probably would have had to be in their contract - then it probably goes that the intent of a ringtone is by nature a public performance and thus non-infringing by definition.
<br> <br>
A suitable metaphor would be if you picked up a CD, and put it in your CD player. If you had license to use it in your CD player and the definition of the CD player was such that it made a "public performance" then the license would be required to allow such "public performance".
<br> <br>
That's not to say that I agree with their definition of a "public performance" - I quite likely don't. For example, my freshmen year of college we frequently watched movies in a common area of the dorm - available only to other students and/or residents and their guests. (E.g. you had to be a student or faculty to gain access; guests had to register at the front desk.) People would come and go, and there'd probably be at most 20 people there. My sophomore year they told us we couldn't do that any more as it was a "public performance" - simply because there was no regulation of who could come by and watch, and they didn't want to deal with any legal issues that may further arise if they didn't; dorm staff did enforce it (they had to, not blaming them). Yet if we stuffed those same 20 people into a dorm room, and let anyone come and go into the dorm room it would have been a "private performance".
<br> <br>
That's not to say that there is legitimate need to regulate "public performances" - there is. But the definition needs to be narrowed down a lot more than it is currently, and should probably require a minimum number of people and more.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Even if ASCAP does n't win , the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones.Well , I think the case begs an interesting question : If this is n't a public performance [ bitlaw.com ] , then why not ?
Which exception [ copyright.gov ] governs it ? I 'm not an IP law student or lawyer , but I do n't see an exception that governs this case .
I 'd imagine that determining when and how to bill when your phone rings in a situation that 's sufficiently public would be nightmarish , but it seems like their case passes the laugh test.While IANAL , I think it would go under the the intended use .
While some people have specifically loaded MP3/RAW Media tracks/etc onto their phone for use , the number of people that only get their ringtone 's form " official providers " ( e.g .
their phone service , etc .
) and probably either purchase ( or receive for free ) the ringtones from that official service .
Thus , if the service licensed the use of the media with the intent of offering on that service - which probably would have had to be in their contract - then it probably goes that the intent of a ringtone is by nature a public performance and thus non-infringing by definition .
A suitable metaphor would be if you picked up a CD , and put it in your CD player .
If you had license to use it in your CD player and the definition of the CD player was such that it made a " public performance " then the license would be required to allow such " public performance " .
That 's not to say that I agree with their definition of a " public performance " - I quite likely do n't .
For example , my freshmen year of college we frequently watched movies in a common area of the dorm - available only to other students and/or residents and their guests .
( E.g. you had to be a student or faculty to gain access ; guests had to register at the front desk .
) People would come and go , and there 'd probably be at most 20 people there .
My sophomore year they told us we could n't do that any more as it was a " public performance " - simply because there was no regulation of who could come by and watch , and they did n't want to deal with any legal issues that may further arise if they did n't ; dorm staff did enforce it ( they had to , not blaming them ) .
Yet if we stuffed those same 20 people into a dorm room , and let anyone come and go into the dorm room it would have been a " private performance " .
That 's not to say that there is legitimate need to regulate " public performances " - there is .
But the definition needs to be narrowed down a lot more than it is currently , and should probably require a minimum number of people and more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if ASCAP doesn't win, the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones.Well, I think the case begs an interesting question:  If this isn't a public performance [bitlaw.com], then why not?
Which exception [copyright.gov] governs it?I'm not an IP law student or lawyer, but I don't see an exception that governs this case.
I'd imagine that determining when and how to bill when your phone rings in a situation that's sufficiently public would be nightmarish, but it seems like their case passes the laugh test.While IANAL, I think it would go under the the intended use.
While some people have specifically loaded MP3/RAW Media tracks/etc onto their phone for use, the number of people that only get their ringtone's form "official providers" (e.g.
their phone service, etc.
) and probably either purchase (or receive for free) the ringtones from that official service.
Thus, if the service licensed the use of the media with the intent of offering on that service - which probably would have had to be in their contract - then it probably goes that the intent of a ringtone is by nature a public performance and thus non-infringing by definition.
A suitable metaphor would be if you picked up a CD, and put it in your CD player.
If you had license to use it in your CD player and the definition of the CD player was such that it made a "public performance" then the license would be required to allow such "public performance".
That's not to say that I agree with their definition of a "public performance" - I quite likely don't.
For example, my freshmen year of college we frequently watched movies in a common area of the dorm - available only to other students and/or residents and their guests.
(E.g. you had to be a student or faculty to gain access; guests had to register at the front desk.
) People would come and go, and there'd probably be at most 20 people there.
My sophomore year they told us we couldn't do that any more as it was a "public performance" - simply because there was no regulation of who could come by and watch, and they didn't want to deal with any legal issues that may further arise if they didn't; dorm staff did enforce it (they had to, not blaming them).
Yet if we stuffed those same 20 people into a dorm room, and let anyone come and go into the dorm room it would have been a "private performance".
That's not to say that there is legitimate need to regulate "public performances" - there is.
But the definition needs to be narrowed down a lot more than it is currently, and should probably require a minimum number of people and more.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431623</id>
	<title>Sampling</title>
	<author>anexkahn</author>
	<datestamp>1245674820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought you were allowed to play a certain length clip of a song, video, etc... without worrying about copy write.  Since ring tones are only 15 seconds long, wouldn't that fall into that category?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought you were allowed to play a certain length clip of a song , video , etc... without worrying about copy write .
Since ring tones are only 15 seconds long , would n't that fall into that category ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought you were allowed to play a certain length clip of a song, video, etc... without worrying about copy write.
Since ring tones are only 15 seconds long, wouldn't that fall into that category?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430169</id>
	<title>Well....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245669840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Normally I might say something like come and try to get it.  You're nuts!  But in this case, seems how they want to charge AT&amp;T every time my phone rings,  I say get 'em ASCAP.  I know my rates will rise as a result but work pays for my phone.  Anyways,  AT&amp;T needs a little smack down once in a while.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Normally I might say something like come and try to get it .
You 're nuts !
But in this case , seems how they want to charge AT&amp;T every time my phone rings , I say get 'em ASCAP .
I know my rates will rise as a result but work pays for my phone .
Anyways , AT&amp;T needs a little smack down once in a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Normally I might say something like come and try to get it.
You're nuts!
But in this case, seems how they want to charge AT&amp;T every time my phone rings,  I say get 'em ASCAP.
I know my rates will rise as a result but work pays for my phone.
Anyways,  AT&amp;T needs a little smack down once in a while.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28444739</id>
	<title>Re:What about radios, etc?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245749580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Does this mean if I have a radio with speakers in a public place I need to pay some kind of fee?  I know that businesses which have radios that their customers can hear pay a license fee, but what about people, say, on the beach listening to a boom box?  If they don't have to pay a fee, why should people with cell phones or their providers pay a public performance fee?</p></div><p>Technically speaking, yes you would be required to have a public performance license to play it in such situations.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean if I have a radio with speakers in a public place I need to pay some kind of fee ?
I know that businesses which have radios that their customers can hear pay a license fee , but what about people , say , on the beach listening to a boom box ?
If they do n't have to pay a fee , why should people with cell phones or their providers pay a public performance fee ? Technically speaking , yes you would be required to have a public performance license to play it in such situations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean if I have a radio with speakers in a public place I need to pay some kind of fee?
I know that businesses which have radios that their customers can hear pay a license fee, but what about people, say, on the beach listening to a boom box?
If they don't have to pay a fee, why should people with cell phones or their providers pay a public performance fee?Technically speaking, yes you would be required to have a public performance license to play it in such situations.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28437187</id>
	<title>Re:ASCAP is not RIAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245762540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't get paid for test equipment I built 5 years ago, and neither should you be paid for work you did years ago. Write more music if you want to get paid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't get paid for test equipment I built 5 years ago , and neither should you be paid for work you did years ago .
Write more music if you want to get paid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't get paid for test equipment I built 5 years ago, and neither should you be paid for work you did years ago.
Write more music if you want to get paid.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431291</id>
	<title>Re:One cannot help but wonder . . .</title>
	<author>snStarter</author>
	<datestamp>1245673740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'll have to take that up with the department of vindictive meteorology...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll have to take that up with the department of vindictive meteorology.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll have to take that up with the department of vindictive meteorology...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430195</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431739</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA</title>
	<author>Ucklak</author>
	<datestamp>1245675420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For downloaded ringtones, doesn't the RIAA get their cut anyway?<br>Isn't it already legal to play up to 15 seconds of copyrighted music publicly?  The radio stations do it all the time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For downloaded ringtones , does n't the RIAA get their cut anyway ? Is n't it already legal to play up to 15 seconds of copyrighted music publicly ?
The radio stations do it all the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For downloaded ringtones, doesn't the RIAA get their cut anyway?Isn't it already legal to play up to 15 seconds of copyrighted music publicly?
The radio stations do it all the time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430143</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28433801</id>
	<title>Re:Hold on, ASCAP != RIAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245685980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or are you just an ASCAP astroturfer?  I remember of reading in the news of an independent performer that was charged by ASCAP for performing his own original music.  I don't think they are the sugar and light that you portray.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or are you just an ASCAP astroturfer ?
I remember of reading in the news of an independent performer that was charged by ASCAP for performing his own original music .
I do n't think they are the sugar and light that you portray .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or are you just an ASCAP astroturfer?
I remember of reading in the news of an independent performer that was charged by ASCAP for performing his own original music.
I don't think they are the sugar and light that you portray.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430363</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430991</id>
	<title>Re:Hold on, ASCAP != RIAA</title>
	<author>WiiVault</author>
	<datestamp>1245672840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While I respect what you are saying, and agree that some are miss equating the two. I also hope you can see it from the consumer side. Stuff like this makes us at odds with the industry, and as I think we can tell the customer always wins. To you that means people choosing to steal because they believe it is OK based on the treatment they received when they were (paying) customers.  Right now the industry you are a part of is dying. When shit like this is being supported by the "industry" are you really surprised we stopped buying your stuff? If this is a reflection of ASCAP or its membership I am proud to say I have not given a cent (directly) to them in years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>While I respect what you are saying , and agree that some are miss equating the two .
I also hope you can see it from the consumer side .
Stuff like this makes us at odds with the industry , and as I think we can tell the customer always wins .
To you that means people choosing to steal because they believe it is OK based on the treatment they received when they were ( paying ) customers .
Right now the industry you are a part of is dying .
When shit like this is being supported by the " industry " are you really surprised we stopped buying your stuff ?
If this is a reflection of ASCAP or its membership I am proud to say I have not given a cent ( directly ) to them in years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I respect what you are saying, and agree that some are miss equating the two.
I also hope you can see it from the consumer side.
Stuff like this makes us at odds with the industry, and as I think we can tell the customer always wins.
To you that means people choosing to steal because they believe it is OK based on the treatment they received when they were (paying) customers.
Right now the industry you are a part of is dying.
When shit like this is being supported by the "industry" are you really surprised we stopped buying your stuff?
If this is a reflection of ASCAP or its membership I am proud to say I have not given a cent (directly) to them in years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28434287</id>
	<title>Re:Good news</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1245688680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best part about these not being widely reported, but widely believed:  Rumors similar to them will be believed too.  Did you hear that potential recording devices count as an audience?  Since your iphone counts as an audience, playing your itunes to yourself is a performance for which you should be paying a fee.  Am I joking?  Maaaaybe I am, Maaaybe I'm not.  We just don't know.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best part about these not being widely reported , but widely believed : Rumors similar to them will be believed too .
Did you hear that potential recording devices count as an audience ?
Since your iphone counts as an audience , playing your itunes to yourself is a performance for which you should be paying a fee .
Am I joking ?
Maaaaybe I am , Maaaybe I 'm not .
We just do n't know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best part about these not being widely reported, but widely believed:  Rumors similar to them will be believed too.
Did you hear that potential recording devices count as an audience?
Since your iphone counts as an audience, playing your itunes to yourself is a performance for which you should be paying a fee.
Am I joking?
Maaaaybe I am, Maaaybe I'm not.
We just don't know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28450875</id>
	<title>So I can't sing to my kids anymore?</title>
	<author>skiman1979</author>
	<datestamp>1245846600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I should be careful about singing songs to my kids in the car when we're traveling?  My wife and I often sing songs from the Wiggles, or various Disney songs, Hannah Montana (my 3-year old daughter LOVES her), and the like to the kids to entertain them on long trips.  If we sing too loudly, someone outside the car might hear us and report us!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I should be careful about singing songs to my kids in the car when we 're traveling ?
My wife and I often sing songs from the Wiggles , or various Disney songs , Hannah Montana ( my 3-year old daughter LOVES her ) , and the like to the kids to entertain them on long trips .
If we sing too loudly , someone outside the car might hear us and report us !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I should be careful about singing songs to my kids in the car when we're traveling?
My wife and I often sing songs from the Wiggles, or various Disney songs, Hannah Montana (my 3-year old daughter LOVES her), and the like to the kids to entertain them on long trips.
If we sing too loudly, someone outside the car might hear us and report us!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28433143</id>
	<title>Re:One cannot help but wonder . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245682080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>. . . why these people have not been struck by a meteor. If there were a God in this universe, there would be a meteor.</p></div><p>LOL!  Remember that scene in Armageddon when Paris was taken out by that meteor fragment?  Yeah......when the meteor strikes ASCAP it will be just like that.  Hell, perhaps ASCAP and the RIAA will be together when it happens.</p><p>And I'll be in a lawn chair just out of the blast radius enjoying the view with a bag of freshly popped popcorn.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
why these people have not been struck by a meteor .
If there were a God in this universe , there would be a meteor.LOL !
Remember that scene in Armageddon when Paris was taken out by that meteor fragment ?
Yeah......when the meteor strikes ASCAP it will be just like that .
Hell , perhaps ASCAP and the RIAA will be together when it happens.And I 'll be in a lawn chair just out of the blast radius enjoying the view with a bag of freshly popped popcorn .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .
why these people have not been struck by a meteor.
If there were a God in this universe, there would be a meteor.LOL!
Remember that scene in Armageddon when Paris was taken out by that meteor fragment?
Yeah......when the meteor strikes ASCAP it will be just like that.
Hell, perhaps ASCAP and the RIAA will be together when it happens.And I'll be in a lawn chair just out of the blast radius enjoying the view with a bag of freshly popped popcorn.
:)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430279</id>
	<title>Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Manip</author>
	<datestamp>1245670200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Copyright law needs a review across the board. By which I mean on an international level.</p><p>Here is my short list:<br>
&nbsp; - Licences across borders has to be easier<br>
&nbsp; - Software Patents should be revoked (in the US et al)<br>
&nbsp; - Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator's death<br>
&nbsp; - Public performance should have "fair use" exclusions<br>
&nbsp; - Heck, all copyright should have "fair use"<br>
&nbsp; - Damages should be limited to value (e.g. 100\% of damages, not 10,000\%)</p><p>I'm sure there are other things. But frankly the copyright system as it stands is broken. When web-sites have to buy highly expensive licences in dozens of states and companies are winning millions for a few MP3s something is wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Copyright law needs a review across the board .
By which I mean on an international level.Here is my short list :   - Licences across borders has to be easier   - Software Patents should be revoked ( in the US et al )   - Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator 's death   - Public performance should have " fair use " exclusions   - Heck , all copyright should have " fair use "   - Damages should be limited to value ( e.g .
100 \ % of damages , not 10,000 \ % ) I 'm sure there are other things .
But frankly the copyright system as it stands is broken .
When web-sites have to buy highly expensive licences in dozens of states and companies are winning millions for a few MP3s something is wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Copyright law needs a review across the board.
By which I mean on an international level.Here is my short list:
  - Licences across borders has to be easier
  - Software Patents should be revoked (in the US et al)
  - Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator's death
  - Public performance should have "fair use" exclusions
  - Heck, all copyright should have "fair use"
  - Damages should be limited to value (e.g.
100\% of damages, not 10,000\%)I'm sure there are other things.
But frankly the copyright system as it stands is broken.
When web-sites have to buy highly expensive licences in dozens of states and companies are winning millions for a few MP3s something is wrong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28434727</id>
	<title>10 Years is Probably too short</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245692040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Today, unlike 20 years ago, everyone has access they need to sell an invention within a few days. Exposure is almost instant, and someone will do it better than you did in one year or less, anyway.</i></p><p>Inventions are different than creative works, but even then, with short terms of protection, there's the problem that any invention that will be bought will have to be valuable enough to the new owner that they can make more off of buying related patents in the near term than they could just waiting 10 years for the term to expire. A longer term makes greater investments possible. This isn't the only worthwhile consideration w/ respect to patent/copyright protection, and we've gotten to a bad place imagining that it is, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a worthwhile consideration.</p><p>Creative works... in order to really profit from them, you need time for them to reach a critical mass of popularity. Even though there are some artists who seemingly become famous inside of a year or two, it's a *lot* more common to take 5-10 years of work. Sometimes a *lifetime* isn't enough, though I don't think that means copyright should extend beyond it. The original terms of 14 years plus an additional 14 years if the author was still alive seem about right to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Today , unlike 20 years ago , everyone has access they need to sell an invention within a few days .
Exposure is almost instant , and someone will do it better than you did in one year or less , anyway.Inventions are different than creative works , but even then , with short terms of protection , there 's the problem that any invention that will be bought will have to be valuable enough to the new owner that they can make more off of buying related patents in the near term than they could just waiting 10 years for the term to expire .
A longer term makes greater investments possible .
This is n't the only worthwhile consideration w/ respect to patent/copyright protection , and we 've gotten to a bad place imagining that it is , but that does n't mean that it is n't a worthwhile consideration.Creative works... in order to really profit from them , you need time for them to reach a critical mass of popularity .
Even though there are some artists who seemingly become famous inside of a year or two , it 's a * lot * more common to take 5-10 years of work .
Sometimes a * lifetime * is n't enough , though I do n't think that means copyright should extend beyond it .
The original terms of 14 years plus an additional 14 years if the author was still alive seem about right to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Today, unlike 20 years ago, everyone has access they need to sell an invention within a few days.
Exposure is almost instant, and someone will do it better than you did in one year or less, anyway.Inventions are different than creative works, but even then, with short terms of protection, there's the problem that any invention that will be bought will have to be valuable enough to the new owner that they can make more off of buying related patents in the near term than they could just waiting 10 years for the term to expire.
A longer term makes greater investments possible.
This isn't the only worthwhile consideration w/ respect to patent/copyright protection, and we've gotten to a bad place imagining that it is, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a worthwhile consideration.Creative works... in order to really profit from them, you need time for them to reach a critical mass of popularity.
Even though there are some artists who seemingly become famous inside of a year or two, it's a *lot* more common to take 5-10 years of work.
Sometimes a *lifetime* isn't enough, though I don't think that means copyright should extend beyond it.
The original terms of 14 years plus an additional 14 years if the author was still alive seem about right to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431045</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>Neanderthal Ninny</author>
	<datestamp>1245672960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the ASCAP, they can take cup of Botulinum toxin and<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the ASCAP , they can take cup of Botulinum toxin and .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the ASCAP, they can take cup of Botulinum toxin and ...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28438087</id>
	<title>Re:If I were a plumber...</title>
	<author>Cro Magnon</author>
	<datestamp>1245768240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe you should create a toilet that plays a flatulent song every time it's used.  Surely that would give you a continuing stream.  Of income.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you should create a toilet that plays a flatulent song every time it 's used .
Surely that would give you a continuing stream .
Of income .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you should create a toilet that plays a flatulent song every time it's used.
Surely that would give you a continuing stream.
Of income.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430343</id>
	<title>ASCAP is one step away...</title>
	<author>swanzilla</author>
	<datestamp>1245670440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...from hustling stopped motorists for change in intersections.  For what it is worth, I would like to collect everytime I hear my coworker's Nicklback ringtone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...from hustling stopped motorists for change in intersections .
For what it is worth , I would like to collect everytime I hear my coworker 's Nicklback ringtone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...from hustling stopped motorists for change in intersections.
For what it is worth, I would like to collect everytime I hear my coworker's Nicklback ringtone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28454431</id>
	<title>As a member of ASCAP....</title>
	<author>TheReverandND</author>
	<datestamp>1245865680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am disgusted that an organization I have trusted to represent me in matters of royalty so blatantly misrepresent my interests. I may have to seriously rethink my membership.
Should you happen upon some of works feel free to use it as a ring tone, I don't mind, I already got paid.

The Reverand</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am disgusted that an organization I have trusted to represent me in matters of royalty so blatantly misrepresent my interests .
I may have to seriously rethink my membership .
Should you happen upon some of works feel free to use it as a ring tone , I do n't mind , I already got paid .
The Reverand</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am disgusted that an organization I have trusted to represent me in matters of royalty so blatantly misrepresent my interests.
I may have to seriously rethink my membership.
Should you happen upon some of works feel free to use it as a ring tone, I don't mind, I already got paid.
The Reverand</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430199</id>
	<title>Suck it, ASSCRAP.</title>
	<author>Mix+Master+Nixon</author>
	<datestamp>1245669900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fine, you pricks.  We'll stop providing you with free exposure for your shitty music.  Happy now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fine , you pricks .
We 'll stop providing you with free exposure for your shitty music .
Happy now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fine, you pricks.
We'll stop providing you with free exposure for your shitty music.
Happy now?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431435</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245674160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'll probably re-think the situation of patents expiring upon the death of the author somewhere in between the part where the bus 'accidentally' hits you, and where it 'accidentally' backs over you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'll probably re-think the situation of patents expiring upon the death of the author somewhere in between the part where the bus 'accidentally ' hits you , and where it 'accidentally ' backs over you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'll probably re-think the situation of patents expiring upon the death of the author somewhere in between the part where the bus 'accidentally' hits you, and where it 'accidentally' backs over you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430677</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432091</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA</title>
	<author>stonewallred</author>
	<datestamp>1245677100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh well, guess my standard bell type ringer is going to go. Where can I find a Metallica ringtone at for free?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh well , guess my standard bell type ringer is going to go .
Where can I find a Metallica ringtone at for free ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh well, guess my standard bell type ringer is going to go.
Where can I find a Metallica ringtone at for free?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28436739</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245756960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if someone comes up with a great invention, patents it, but isn't able/willing to mass-produce the thing personally, shouldn't it be possible to sell the idea to some company that is?<br>Obviously ideas from people with higher life expectancies would be worth more, since you'd expect the patent to last longer as well.<br>I don't think it would be fair for a healty 20-year old to get more money than somebody who just heard he has five years to live and intends to spend that time enjoying the money selling his invention got him.</p><p>I'm not happy with copyrights/patents lasting till the heat death of the universe plus twenty years, but I do think there should just be a fixed duration. 50 years sounds like plenty of time to me to cash in on your ideas, even if you only have one brilliant idea in your lifetime you'd be pretty much on your way to retirement by the time the protection runs out. It's just that I don't feel simply living longer somehow makes your ideas deserve longer protection than people who aren't as lucky.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if someone comes up with a great invention , patents it , but is n't able/willing to mass-produce the thing personally , should n't it be possible to sell the idea to some company that is ? Obviously ideas from people with higher life expectancies would be worth more , since you 'd expect the patent to last longer as well.I do n't think it would be fair for a healty 20-year old to get more money than somebody who just heard he has five years to live and intends to spend that time enjoying the money selling his invention got him.I 'm not happy with copyrights/patents lasting till the heat death of the universe plus twenty years , but I do think there should just be a fixed duration .
50 years sounds like plenty of time to me to cash in on your ideas , even if you only have one brilliant idea in your lifetime you 'd be pretty much on your way to retirement by the time the protection runs out .
It 's just that I do n't feel simply living longer somehow makes your ideas deserve longer protection than people who are n't as lucky .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if someone comes up with a great invention, patents it, but isn't able/willing to mass-produce the thing personally, shouldn't it be possible to sell the idea to some company that is?Obviously ideas from people with higher life expectancies would be worth more, since you'd expect the patent to last longer as well.I don't think it would be fair for a healty 20-year old to get more money than somebody who just heard he has five years to live and intends to spend that time enjoying the money selling his invention got him.I'm not happy with copyrights/patents lasting till the heat death of the universe plus twenty years, but I do think there should just be a fixed duration.
50 years sounds like plenty of time to me to cash in on your ideas, even if you only have one brilliant idea in your lifetime you'd be pretty much on your way to retirement by the time the protection runs out.
It's just that I don't feel simply living longer somehow makes your ideas deserve longer protection than people who aren't as lucky.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430677</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28434497</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1245690180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's stretching it quite a bit, I do believe that in this case the RIAA would be the group that has the relevant rights. In this case, yes somebody should be paying money to somebody, but not to ASCAP for the performance, to the label for the recording.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's stretching it quite a bit , I do believe that in this case the RIAA would be the group that has the relevant rights .
In this case , yes somebody should be paying money to somebody , but not to ASCAP for the performance , to the label for the recording .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's stretching it quite a bit, I do believe that in this case the RIAA would be the group that has the relevant rights.
In this case, yes somebody should be paying money to somebody, but not to ASCAP for the performance, to the label for the recording.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28433065</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430647</id>
	<title>The silver lining?</title>
	<author>Roger W Moore</author>
	<datestamp>1245671460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If a ring tone counts as a public performance then does playing it so loud on your earphones that everyone sitting nearby can recognize the tune also count? If so could ASCAP come after them as well....please!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a ring tone counts as a public performance then does playing it so loud on your earphones that everyone sitting nearby can recognize the tune also count ?
If so could ASCAP come after them as well....please !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a ring tone counts as a public performance then does playing it so loud on your earphones that everyone sitting nearby can recognize the tune also count?
If so could ASCAP come after them as well....please!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430437</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28434847</id>
	<title>Give a finger, get an arm taken</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245693000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Such harebrained ideas are only hatched because they're used to getting away with ludicrous claims and actually getting what they want.</p><p>Copyright claims have left the borders of sanity. Actually they lept over it by some margin. Copyright was about creating a balance between creators and consumers of content. It's anything but this today.</p><p>It's time to get back to sensible copyright. Either that or a battle will ensue that the rights holders cannot win. They depend on income from content consumers. Content consumers, otoh, can live well without the content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Such harebrained ideas are only hatched because they 're used to getting away with ludicrous claims and actually getting what they want.Copyright claims have left the borders of sanity .
Actually they lept over it by some margin .
Copyright was about creating a balance between creators and consumers of content .
It 's anything but this today.It 's time to get back to sensible copyright .
Either that or a battle will ensue that the rights holders can not win .
They depend on income from content consumers .
Content consumers , otoh , can live well without the content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Such harebrained ideas are only hatched because they're used to getting away with ludicrous claims and actually getting what they want.Copyright claims have left the borders of sanity.
Actually they lept over it by some margin.
Copyright was about creating a balance between creators and consumers of content.
It's anything but this today.It's time to get back to sensible copyright.
Either that or a battle will ensue that the rights holders cannot win.
They depend on income from content consumers.
Content consumers, otoh, can live well without the content.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430467</id>
	<title>Pick you battles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245670860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do we just let AT&amp;T and ASCAP fight this one out?  This is like Iran and North Korea going at it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do we just let AT&amp;T and ASCAP fight this one out ?
This is like Iran and North Korea going at it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do we just let AT&amp;T and ASCAP fight this one out?
This is like Iran and North Korea going at it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430839</id>
	<title>Re:No Ringtones</title>
	<author>shrikel</author>
	<datestamp>1245672240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>doesn't selling a license to a song as a ringtone imply the right to use the ring tone without paying each time?
--</p></div><p>The problem is that it's not ASCAP who sold you the ringtone.  The carrier that sold it to you has no authority to grant you rights to public performance of that ringtone.</p><p>What ASCAP wants is to get a piece of the money from the sale^H^H^H^H licensing of that ringtone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>does n't selling a license to a song as a ringtone imply the right to use the ring tone without paying each time ?
--The problem is that it 's not ASCAP who sold you the ringtone .
The carrier that sold it to you has no authority to grant you rights to public performance of that ringtone.What ASCAP wants is to get a piece of the money from the sale ^ H ^ H ^ H ^ H licensing of that ringtone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>doesn't selling a license to a song as a ringtone imply the right to use the ring tone without paying each time?
--The problem is that it's not ASCAP who sold you the ringtone.
The carrier that sold it to you has no authority to grant you rights to public performance of that ringtone.What ASCAP wants is to get a piece of the money from the sale^H^H^H^H licensing of that ringtone.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430243</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28437843</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245766800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How many times do you people have to be reminded that the music "industry" is just<br>a subsidiary of another, older "industry" - the MAFIA?</p><p>It IS organized crime. Plenty of proof of that. But they can pay off politicians to ignore that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many times do you people have to be reminded that the music " industry " is justa subsidiary of another , older " industry " - the MAFIA ? It IS organized crime .
Plenty of proof of that .
But they can pay off politicians to ignore that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many times do you people have to be reminded that the music "industry" is justa subsidiary of another, older "industry" - the MAFIA?It IS organized crime.
Plenty of proof of that.
But they can pay off politicians to ignore that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430227</id>
	<title>What else is there to say?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245670080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They're a bunch of ass-hats. Or caps, as it were.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 're a bunch of ass-hats .
Or caps , as it were .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They're a bunch of ass-hats.
Or caps, as it were.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431201</id>
	<title>Re:No Ringtones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245673440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Not saying they are correct, just that I hate being forced to listen to someone's obnoxious music every time their phone rings.</p></div></blockquote><p>But. . . but. . . my ringtone is the Futurama theme!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not saying they are correct , just that I hate being forced to listen to someone 's obnoxious music every time their phone rings.But .
. .
but. .
. my ringtone is the Futurama theme !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not saying they are correct, just that I hate being forced to listen to someone's obnoxious music every time their phone rings.But.
. .
but. .
. my ringtone is the Futurama theme!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430243</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430895</id>
	<title>Re:Hold on, ASCAP != RIAA</title>
	<author>MrMista\_B</author>
	<datestamp>1245672420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, 'help' the creators of content, by preventing people from listening to it.</p><p>Sorry, but fuck the ASCAP, they're at least as bad if not worse than the RIAA. And if you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/support/ anti-artist organizations like the ASCAP, then I look upon you with suspicion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , 'help ' the creators of content , by preventing people from listening to it.Sorry , but fuck the ASCAP , they 're at least as bad if not worse than the RIAA .
And if you /support/ anti-artist organizations like the ASCAP , then I look upon you with suspicion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, 'help' the creators of content, by preventing people from listening to it.Sorry, but fuck the ASCAP, they're at least as bad if not worse than the RIAA.
And if you /support/ anti-artist organizations like the ASCAP, then I look upon you with suspicion.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430363</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28435607</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245700500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Spoken like someone who has never created anything and holds no copyrights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Spoken like someone who has never created anything and holds no copyrights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spoken like someone who has never created anything and holds no copyrights.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430537</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430553</id>
	<title>Would this apply...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245671160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would this apply even if your ringtone is an illegally downloaded MP3 (like with my, uh, friend's phone)? It's kind of Al Capone having to pay taxes on money he got from drug trafficking.</p><p>(Actually, strange as it may sound, in the US one is supposed to pay taxes on illegitimately acquired income)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would this apply even if your ringtone is an illegally downloaded MP3 ( like with my , uh , friend 's phone ) ?
It 's kind of Al Capone having to pay taxes on money he got from drug trafficking .
( Actually , strange as it may sound , in the US one is supposed to pay taxes on illegitimately acquired income )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would this apply even if your ringtone is an illegally downloaded MP3 (like with my, uh, friend's phone)?
It's kind of Al Capone having to pay taxes on money he got from drug trafficking.
(Actually, strange as it may sound, in the US one is supposed to pay taxes on illegitimately acquired income)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431195</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245673440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator's death</i></p><p>There is no justification for patents (or copyrights) to last an instant past the inventor's death.</p></div><p>Yes there is... you don't want to give competitors an incentive to kill off an inventor just to end a lucrative patent.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator 's deathThere is no justification for patents ( or copyrights ) to last an instant past the inventor 's death.Yes there is... you do n't want to give competitors an incentive to kill off an inventor just to end a lucrative patent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator's deathThere is no justification for patents (or copyrights) to last an instant past the inventor's death.Yes there is... you don't want to give competitors an incentive to kill off an inventor just to end a lucrative patent.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430677</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28439319</id>
	<title>I'm bothered... by the general Slashdot response</title>
	<author>DigitalSorceress</author>
	<datestamp>1245773640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, I'm a bit bothered by how many responses here are going along the lines of "ASCAP are evil IP mongers who I'd normally want to fight against, but I personally don't like others' ringtones, so I don't mind so much".</p><p>HYPOCRITES!</p><p>If you don't like obnoxious ringtones (obnoxious is usually defined as 'stuff that isn't coming from your phone' of course), then fine, discuss noise pollution or novel technical means to battle them. Whatever... just don't be a hypocrite and decide that its ok to let the ASCAP be douchebags to someone else just because you happen to agree with the side-effects of their douchbaggery. If you do that, you're no better than the folks who claim to be pro-life, but then applaud the murder of a doctor who performs services they don't like.</p><p>Just for the record, I'm not saying this to be a troll. I seriously feel this way. Yes, I am often annoyed by others' obnoxious tones, but supporting the ASCAP or the **AA in this one instance would be really shortsighted and hypocritical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , I 'm a bit bothered by how many responses here are going along the lines of " ASCAP are evil IP mongers who I 'd normally want to fight against , but I personally do n't like others ' ringtones , so I do n't mind so much " .HYPOCRITES ! If you do n't like obnoxious ringtones ( obnoxious is usually defined as 'stuff that is n't coming from your phone ' of course ) , then fine , discuss noise pollution or novel technical means to battle them .
Whatever... just do n't be a hypocrite and decide that its ok to let the ASCAP be douchebags to someone else just because you happen to agree with the side-effects of their douchbaggery .
If you do that , you 're no better than the folks who claim to be pro-life , but then applaud the murder of a doctor who performs services they do n't like.Just for the record , I 'm not saying this to be a troll .
I seriously feel this way .
Yes , I am often annoyed by others ' obnoxious tones , but supporting the ASCAP or the * * AA in this one instance would be really shortsighted and hypocritical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, I'm a bit bothered by how many responses here are going along the lines of "ASCAP are evil IP mongers who I'd normally want to fight against, but I personally don't like others' ringtones, so I don't mind so much".HYPOCRITES!If you don't like obnoxious ringtones (obnoxious is usually defined as 'stuff that isn't coming from your phone' of course), then fine, discuss noise pollution or novel technical means to battle them.
Whatever... just don't be a hypocrite and decide that its ok to let the ASCAP be douchebags to someone else just because you happen to agree with the side-effects of their douchbaggery.
If you do that, you're no better than the folks who claim to be pro-life, but then applaud the murder of a doctor who performs services they don't like.Just for the record, I'm not saying this to be a troll.
I seriously feel this way.
Yes, I am often annoyed by others' obnoxious tones, but supporting the ASCAP or the **AA in this one instance would be really shortsighted and hypocritical.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430563</id>
	<title>Re:Suck it, ASSCRAP.</title>
	<author>\_Sprocket\_</author>
	<datestamp>1245671220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Fine, you pricks.  We'll stop providing you with free exposure for your shitty music.  Happy now?</p></div><p>ASCAP is preparing a report that shows public performances of ring-tones has affected ring-tone sales causing a recent, drastic drop in units sold.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fine , you pricks .
We 'll stop providing you with free exposure for your shitty music .
Happy now ? ASCAP is preparing a report that shows public performances of ring-tones has affected ring-tone sales causing a recent , drastic drop in units sold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fine, you pricks.
We'll stop providing you with free exposure for your shitty music.
Happy now?ASCAP is preparing a report that shows public performances of ring-tones has affected ring-tone sales causing a recent, drastic drop in units sold.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430199</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431229</id>
	<title>Ugh</title>
	<author>visible.frylock</author>
	<datestamp>1245673500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can we just abolish intellectual monopoly already? (And all government-granted monopolies while we're at it?) I'm not seeing any baby in this bathwater.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we just abolish intellectual monopoly already ?
( And all government-granted monopolies while we 're at it ?
) I 'm not seeing any baby in this bathwater .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we just abolish intellectual monopoly already?
(And all government-granted monopolies while we're at it?
) I'm not seeing any baby in this bathwater.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28442085</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>CorporateSuit</author>
	<datestamp>1245783660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Spoken like someone who has never created anything and holds no copyrights.</p></div><p>and spoken BY someone who has.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Spoken like someone who has never created anything and holds no copyrights.and spoken BY someone who has .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spoken like someone who has never created anything and holds no copyrights.and spoken BY someone who has.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28435607</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431027</id>
	<title>Just FYI</title>
	<author>mellestad</author>
	<datestamp>1245672900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It sounds like they are suing because they think the providers should be paying them a fee, not the end user.  At least that is what their website says about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds like they are suing because they think the providers should be paying them a fee , not the end user .
At least that is what their website says about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds like they are suing because they think the providers should be paying them a fee, not the end user.
At least that is what their website says about it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431787</id>
	<title>Re:What a crazy world</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245675660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I already get all of my music free.  How can I possibly spend any less?  (Yes, I steal music.)</p><p>Sincerely,<br>The only honest slashdotter</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I already get all of my music free .
How can I possibly spend any less ?
( Yes , I steal music .
) Sincerely,The only honest slashdotter</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I already get all of my music free.
How can I possibly spend any less?
(Yes, I steal music.
)Sincerely,The only honest slashdotter</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430337</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28437667</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245765960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why were you modded 5: Interesting when you undermine your own argument?</p><p>Take a beginning band, for instance. For the most part, it takes about three albums for any band to become even remotely well-known enough for people to buy their music. Because there are so many artists today publishing stuff it ebcomes harder and harder to differentiate. So by the time they release their third album, maybe their first albums start to drop out of copyright, so the first ten years of their career, which are usually the most difficult, have been for nought.</p><p>I agree that copyright should not be extended indefinitely (Disney et al) but ten years seems a bit on the short side.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why were you modded 5 : Interesting when you undermine your own argument ? Take a beginning band , for instance .
For the most part , it takes about three albums for any band to become even remotely well-known enough for people to buy their music .
Because there are so many artists today publishing stuff it ebcomes harder and harder to differentiate .
So by the time they release their third album , maybe their first albums start to drop out of copyright , so the first ten years of their career , which are usually the most difficult , have been for nought.I agree that copyright should not be extended indefinitely ( Disney et al ) but ten years seems a bit on the short side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why were you modded 5: Interesting when you undermine your own argument?Take a beginning band, for instance.
For the most part, it takes about three albums for any band to become even remotely well-known enough for people to buy their music.
Because there are so many artists today publishing stuff it ebcomes harder and harder to differentiate.
So by the time they release their third album, maybe their first albums start to drop out of copyright, so the first ten years of their career, which are usually the most difficult, have been for nought.I agree that copyright should not be extended indefinitely (Disney et al) but ten years seems a bit on the short side.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430537</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430587</id>
	<title>ASCAP?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245671280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More like ASSHATS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More like ASSHATS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More like ASSHATS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430315</id>
	<title>Obligatory</title>
	<author>copponex</author>
	<datestamp>1245670320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The interest of the dealers, however, in any particular branch of trade or manufacture, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public. To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens. The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it.</i></p><p><i>-Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The interest of the dealers , however , in any particular branch of trade or manufacture , is always in some respects different from , and even opposite to , that of the public .
To widen the market and to narrow the competition , is always the interest of the dealers .
To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public ; but to narrow the competition must always be against it , and can serve only to enable the dealers , by raising their profits above what they naturally would be , to levy , for their own benefit , an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens .
The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order , ought always be listened to with great precaution , and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined , not only with the most scrupulous , but with the most suspicious attention .
It comes from an order of men , whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public , who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public , and who accordingly have upon many occasions , both deceived and oppressed it.-Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The interest of the dealers, however, in any particular branch of trade or manufacture, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public.
To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers.
To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens.
The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention.
It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it.-Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430677</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>drsmithy</author>
	<datestamp>1245671580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator's death</i>
</p><p>There is no justification for patents (or copyrights) to last an instant past the inventor's death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator 's death There is no justification for patents ( or copyrights ) to last an instant past the inventor 's death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator's death
There is no justification for patents (or copyrights) to last an instant past the inventor's death.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28433939</id>
	<title>Re:Everybody wants to be rich...</title>
	<author>UncleTogie</author>
	<datestamp>1245686880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I can't believe why everybody wants to be rich without doing nothing... Really, this is just going insane!</p></div><p>It's only worth it if you get your chicks for free...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe why everybody wants to be rich without doing nothing... Really , this is just going insane ! It 's only worth it if you get your chicks for free.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe why everybody wants to be rich without doing nothing... Really, this is just going insane!It's only worth it if you get your chicks for free...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431037</id>
	<title>Re:One cannot help but wonder . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245672900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you have just proven that god does not exist.  Congratulations!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you have just proven that god does not exist .
Congratulations ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you have just proven that god does not exist.
Congratulations!!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430401</id>
	<title>iTunes Ringtone Fees</title>
	<author>Cboyd0319</author>
	<datestamp>1245670560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Theoretically, if I purchase a song from Apple, and then I would like to make that into a ringtone, I have to pay Apple for that right. Where does that money go? I assumed that they were paying a portion of it to a third party for different playing rights.
<br> <br>
The issue is moot, of course, since <a href="http://www.iringer.net/" title="iringer.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.iringer.net/</a> [iringer.net] is free, which makes my ringtones the same.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Theoretically , if I purchase a song from Apple , and then I would like to make that into a ringtone , I have to pay Apple for that right .
Where does that money go ?
I assumed that they were paying a portion of it to a third party for different playing rights .
The issue is moot , of course , since http : //www.iringer.net/ [ iringer.net ] is free , which makes my ringtones the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Theoretically, if I purchase a song from Apple, and then I would like to make that into a ringtone, I have to pay Apple for that right.
Where does that money go?
I assumed that they were paying a portion of it to a third party for different playing rights.
The issue is moot, of course, since http://www.iringer.net/ [iringer.net] is free, which makes my ringtones the same.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28437741</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1245766260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I welcome this idea.</p><p>If only we could execute people who dont shut their stupid phone up within a reasonable time frame we would be on easy street.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I welcome this idea.If only we could execute people who dont shut their stupid phone up within a reasonable time frame we would be on easy street .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I welcome this idea.If only we could execute people who dont shut their stupid phone up within a reasonable time frame we would be on easy street.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430135</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431897</id>
	<title>Re:Hold on, ASCAP != RIAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245676140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I can respect your position, It's hard not to despise the organization that sues little girls for singing around a campfire ( God forbid they should sing Happy Birthday!)</p><p>I'm not saying they do no good for anybody, but they do seem to be in the habit of overreaching, to the detriment of all.</p><p>Your union doesn't make you look very good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I can respect your position , It 's hard not to despise the organization that sues little girls for singing around a campfire ( God forbid they should sing Happy Birthday !
) I 'm not saying they do no good for anybody , but they do seem to be in the habit of overreaching , to the detriment of all.Your union does n't make you look very good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I can respect your position, It's hard not to despise the organization that sues little girls for singing around a campfire ( God forbid they should sing Happy Birthday!
)I'm not saying they do no good for anybody, but they do seem to be in the habit of overreaching, to the detriment of all.Your union doesn't make you look very good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430363</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431403</id>
	<title>Settlement (was:Someone...)</title>
	<author>Lead Butthead</author>
	<datestamp>1245674100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...needs a cup of tea and a lie down</p></div></blockquote><p>Actually, I settle for having them put down.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...needs a cup of tea and a lie downActually , I settle for having them put down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...needs a cup of tea and a lie downActually, I settle for having them put down.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430135</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28436433</id>
	<title>Re:ASSCAP demands payment when your phone rings</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1245753120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Without the money going to [John Cage's] estate, he may never write another measured piece of silence again."</p></div><p>Flawless Victory</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without the money going to [ John Cage 's ] estate , he may never write another measured piece of silence again .
" Flawless Victory</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without the money going to [John Cage's] estate, he may never write another measured piece of silence again.
"Flawless Victory
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430783</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430629</id>
	<title>If I were a plumber...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245671400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I were a plumber, and I installed a toilet, I don't get paid every time someone takes a dump.
If I designed a toilet, ditto.
If I own a patent on some new-fangled kind of super-toilet, ditto.
So do other creative professions seem to think that they deserve to get paid every time their work gets used...?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I were a plumber , and I installed a toilet , I do n't get paid every time someone takes a dump .
If I designed a toilet , ditto .
If I own a patent on some new-fangled kind of super-toilet , ditto .
So do other creative professions seem to think that they deserve to get paid every time their work gets used... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I were a plumber, and I installed a toilet, I don't get paid every time someone takes a dump.
If I designed a toilet, ditto.
If I own a patent on some new-fangled kind of super-toilet, ditto.
So do other creative professions seem to think that they deserve to get paid every time their work gets used...?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430525</id>
	<title>I draw the line at.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245671040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>their belching and farting patents. The dairy farmers are freaking out as are the ball parks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>their belching and farting patents .
The dairy farmers are freaking out as are the ball parks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>their belching and farting patents.
The dairy farmers are freaking out as are the ball parks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430853</id>
	<title>I propose.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245672300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> That anytime someone publicly comes up with an assinine idea like this, that they get commited to a mental hospital and given a full battery of tests to determine their mental stability. All results should be on public file.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That anytime someone publicly comes up with an assinine idea like this , that they get commited to a mental hospital and given a full battery of tests to determine their mental stability .
All results should be on public file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> That anytime someone publicly comes up with an assinine idea like this, that they get commited to a mental hospital and given a full battery of tests to determine their mental stability.
All results should be on public file.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28439109</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245772860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, there is one.  If a patent or copyright expired with the creator, anybody could ignore the patents and copyrights simply by offing them.</p><p>The solution is to have patents and copyrights each last for a reasonable term (10 or 20 years respectively), regardless of how long the creator lives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , there is one .
If a patent or copyright expired with the creator , anybody could ignore the patents and copyrights simply by offing them.The solution is to have patents and copyrights each last for a reasonable term ( 10 or 20 years respectively ) , regardless of how long the creator lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, there is one.
If a patent or copyright expired with the creator, anybody could ignore the patents and copyrights simply by offing them.The solution is to have patents and copyrights each last for a reasonable term (10 or 20 years respectively), regardless of how long the creator lives.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430677</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431493</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1245674340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Presumably the place that sold the ringtone to you gave you a license in the first place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Presumably the place that sold the ringtone to you gave you a license in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Presumably the place that sold the ringtone to you gave you a license in the first place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430437</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28450043</id>
	<title>Re:Why am I not surprised...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245875940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Copyright is a temporary monopoly</i> </p><p>Yemporary, my ass. If I'm 20 yo and write a story or a song, then live to 90, that's 70 remaining years of my life and 70 more after my death -- 140 years total of protection. That's SEVEN FUCKING GENERATIONS!!!</p><p>If that's "temporary", who the fuck are you -- Methusaleh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Copyright is a temporary monopoly Yemporary , my ass .
If I 'm 20 yo and write a story or a song , then live to 90 , that 's 70 remaining years of my life and 70 more after my death -- 140 years total of protection .
That 's SEVEN FUCKING GENERATIONS ! !
! If that 's " temporary " , who the fuck are you -- Methusaleh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Copyright is a temporary monopoly Yemporary, my ass.
If I'm 20 yo and write a story or a song, then live to 90, that's 70 remaining years of my life and 70 more after my death -- 140 years total of protection.
That's SEVEN FUCKING GENERATIONS!!
!If that's "temporary", who the fuck are you -- Methusaleh?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430381</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28434297</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>stinerman</author>
	<datestamp>1245688740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right.</p><p>I think it is a public performance as is defined by the law.  I'd expect any good judge to make a decision based on the law, rather than what the law should be.</p><p>The ASCAP probably has a case.  That is the scary part.  The law shouldn't allow them to have one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right.I think it is a public performance as is defined by the law .
I 'd expect any good judge to make a decision based on the law , rather than what the law should be.The ASCAP probably has a case .
That is the scary part .
The law should n't allow them to have one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.I think it is a public performance as is defined by the law.
I'd expect any good judge to make a decision based on the law, rather than what the law should be.The ASCAP probably has a case.
That is the scary part.
The law shouldn't allow them to have one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430437</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430251</id>
	<title>Slippery slope on "public performance"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245670140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They gonna come after me when I've got my car stereo cranked and the windows down?</p><p>I know the people driving around me probably should, but is that really a "public performance?"  A ringtone is no different than playing a stereo. It just goes off when you're not expecting it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They gon na come after me when I 've got my car stereo cranked and the windows down ? I know the people driving around me probably should , but is that really a " public performance ?
" A ringtone is no different than playing a stereo .
It just goes off when you 're not expecting it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They gonna come after me when I've got my car stereo cranked and the windows down?I know the people driving around me probably should, but is that really a "public performance?
"  A ringtone is no different than playing a stereo.
It just goes off when you're not expecting it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431069</id>
	<title>fair use?</title>
	<author>teknosapien</author>
	<datestamp>1245673020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>SO if a ring tone is less than 30 seconds long doesn't that constitute fair use</htmltext>
<tokenext>SO if a ring tone is less than 30 seconds long does n't that constitute fair use</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SO if a ring tone is less than 30 seconds long doesn't that constitute fair use</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430549</id>
	<title>Re:What about radios, etc?</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1245671160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, this might be a good thing -- wouldn't you like to see all the a-holes that drive down the road with the volume on 11 pounding out the bass so load it makes their mirrors rattle get fined by ASCAP for their "public performance"? I sure would!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , this might be a good thing -- would n't you like to see all the a-holes that drive down the road with the volume on 11 pounding out the bass so load it makes their mirrors rattle get fined by ASCAP for their " public performance " ?
I sure would !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, this might be a good thing -- wouldn't you like to see all the a-holes that drive down the road with the volume on 11 pounding out the bass so load it makes their mirrors rattle get fined by ASCAP for their "public performance"?
I sure would!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28444481</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>MozeeToby</author>
	<datestamp>1245748680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Which exception governs it?</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>(4) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work otherwise than in a transmission to the public, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without payment of any fee or other compensation for the performance to any of its performers, promoters, or organizers, if --</p><p>(A) there is no direct or indirect admission charge; or</p><p>(B) the proceeds, after deducting the reasonable costs of producing the performance, are used exclusively for educational, religious, or charitable purposes and not for private financial gain, except where the copyright owner has served notice of objection to the performance under the following conditions:</p></div><p>You are 'performing' a song (nondramatic musical work) and not charging an admission.  I don't see how that fails to qualify for exception #4, though of course, IANAL.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Which exception governs it ?
( 4 ) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work otherwise than in a transmission to the public , without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without payment of any fee or other compensation for the performance to any of its performers , promoters , or organizers , if -- ( A ) there is no direct or indirect admission charge ; or ( B ) the proceeds , after deducting the reasonable costs of producing the performance , are used exclusively for educational , religious , or charitable purposes and not for private financial gain , except where the copyright owner has served notice of objection to the performance under the following conditions : You are 'performing ' a song ( nondramatic musical work ) and not charging an admission .
I do n't see how that fails to qualify for exception # 4 , though of course , IANAL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which exception governs it?
(4) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work otherwise than in a transmission to the public, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without payment of any fee or other compensation for the performance to any of its performers, promoters, or organizers, if --(A) there is no direct or indirect admission charge; or(B) the proceeds, after deducting the reasonable costs of producing the performance, are used exclusively for educational, religious, or charitable purposes and not for private financial gain, except where the copyright owner has served notice of objection to the performance under the following conditions:You are 'performing' a song (nondramatic musical work) and not charging an admission.
I don't see how that fails to qualify for exception #4, though of course, IANAL.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28438671</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245771180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Another word for "composer" is "handicrafter." Another word for "publisher" is "typesetter." So ASCAP should change their name from "American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers" to "American Society of Skilled Handicrafting, Authoring and Typesetting Specialists."</p><p>Short form: ASSHATS.</p></div><p>If I could mod you into god status, I would. That is just genius friend.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Another word for " composer " is " handicrafter .
" Another word for " publisher " is " typesetter .
" So ASCAP should change their name from " American Society of Composers , Authors and Publishers " to " American Society of Skilled Handicrafting , Authoring and Typesetting Specialists .
" Short form : ASSHATS.If I could mod you into god status , I would .
That is just genius friend .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another word for "composer" is "handicrafter.
" Another word for "publisher" is "typesetter.
" So ASCAP should change their name from "American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers" to "American Society of Skilled Handicrafting, Authoring and Typesetting Specialists.
"Short form: ASSHATS.If I could mod you into god status, I would.
That is just genius friend.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28436621</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1245755700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see why it should be related to the inventor's death at all. Assuming it's some sort of "asset", it should be part of the estate and passed to their heirs. Otherwise you'd create a very strange situation where say a dying inventor would rather patent it in the wife/kids' name since they'd hold the patent much longer. A fixed number of years is IMO the best.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see why it should be related to the inventor 's death at all .
Assuming it 's some sort of " asset " , it should be part of the estate and passed to their heirs .
Otherwise you 'd create a very strange situation where say a dying inventor would rather patent it in the wife/kids ' name since they 'd hold the patent much longer .
A fixed number of years is IMO the best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see why it should be related to the inventor's death at all.
Assuming it's some sort of "asset", it should be part of the estate and passed to their heirs.
Otherwise you'd create a very strange situation where say a dying inventor would rather patent it in the wife/kids' name since they'd hold the patent much longer.
A fixed number of years is IMO the best.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28437293</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1245763260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Section 4 sounds like it should do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Section 4 sounds like it should do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Section 4 sounds like it should do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28439449</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>tixxit</author>
	<datestamp>1245774240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>
    * With respect to ringtones, ASCAP seeks to license the wireless carriers' transmissions of your music. ASCAP is not seeking to charge consumers.
</p></div></div><p>Because, surely, the wireless carriers would never think to recoup that cost by charging more. I think somebody really doesn't get basic economics.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>* With respect to ringtones , ASCAP seeks to license the wireless carriers ' transmissions of your music .
ASCAP is not seeking to charge consumers .
Because , surely , the wireless carriers would never think to recoup that cost by charging more .
I think somebody really does n't get basic economics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
    * With respect to ringtones, ASCAP seeks to license the wireless carriers' transmissions of your music.
ASCAP is not seeking to charge consumers.
Because, surely, the wireless carriers would never think to recoup that cost by charging more.
I think somebody really doesn't get basic economics.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28439943</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>afabbro</author>
	<datestamp>1245776160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With respect to ringtones, ASCAP seeks to license the wireless carriers' transmissions of your music. ASCAP is not seeking to charge consumers. In fact, ASCAP has been licensing wireless carriers and ringtone content providers since 2001.</p></div><p>So they charge the carriers, but not consumers.  I think it's real sweet that the carriers pass the hat around the office every year to pay for these charges, rather than passing them on to consumers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With respect to ringtones , ASCAP seeks to license the wireless carriers ' transmissions of your music .
ASCAP is not seeking to charge consumers .
In fact , ASCAP has been licensing wireless carriers and ringtone content providers since 2001.So they charge the carriers , but not consumers .
I think it 's real sweet that the carriers pass the hat around the office every year to pay for these charges , rather than passing them on to consumers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With respect to ringtones, ASCAP seeks to license the wireless carriers' transmissions of your music.
ASCAP is not seeking to charge consumers.
In fact, ASCAP has been licensing wireless carriers and ringtone content providers since 2001.So they charge the carriers, but not consumers.
I think it's real sweet that the carriers pass the hat around the office every year to pay for these charges, rather than passing them on to consumers.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28440101</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>rgarbacz</author>
	<datestamp>1245776700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about following the real spirit of promoting innovations, not protecting monopolies, i.e.:
<ul>
 <li> 10-20 years of exclusive monopoly granted by the public in exchange of one's idea publication (from the moment of granting the monopoly)</li>
 <li> patents are granted as "first come first serve" (the real spirit of promoting innovation, i.e. better hurry with polishing and "announcing" an idea, because someone can be faster)</li>
 <li> it is no one else's business what one does at home with his purchased items, if it is safe for others (i.e. one can make a coffee machine from his car if wishes, also one can disassemble any piece of code, when wishes)</li>
</ul><p>
Lets not forget that "intellectual property" is an oxymoron. When someone takes your property, you do not have it anymore, but when someone adopts your idea, you still have it, and still can use it to the full extent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about following the real spirit of promoting innovations , not protecting monopolies , i.e .
: 10-20 years of exclusive monopoly granted by the public in exchange of one 's idea publication ( from the moment of granting the monopoly ) patents are granted as " first come first serve " ( the real spirit of promoting innovation , i.e .
better hurry with polishing and " announcing " an idea , because someone can be faster ) it is no one else 's business what one does at home with his purchased items , if it is safe for others ( i.e .
one can make a coffee machine from his car if wishes , also one can disassemble any piece of code , when wishes ) Lets not forget that " intellectual property " is an oxymoron .
When someone takes your property , you do not have it anymore , but when someone adopts your idea , you still have it , and still can use it to the full extent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about following the real spirit of promoting innovations, not protecting monopolies, i.e.
:

  10-20 years of exclusive monopoly granted by the public in exchange of one's idea publication (from the moment of granting the monopoly)
  patents are granted as "first come first serve" (the real spirit of promoting innovation, i.e.
better hurry with polishing and "announcing" an idea, because someone can be faster)
  it is no one else's business what one does at home with his purchased items, if it is safe for others (i.e.
one can make a coffee machine from his car if wishes, also one can disassemble any piece of code, when wishes)

Lets not forget that "intellectual property" is an oxymoron.
When someone takes your property, you do not have it anymore, but when someone adopts your idea, you still have it, and still can use it to the full extent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430783</id>
	<title>ASSCAP demands payment when your phone rings</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245672060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>(to be posted on <a href="http://notnews.today.com/" title="today.com">NotN</a> [today.com] tomorrow, probably)</i>

</p><p>The American Super-Society of Composers and Performers has filed a brief in a lawsuit against AT&amp;T arguing that its members deserve payment every time a mobile phone rings.

</p><p>The owners of the musical compositions are already paid for each ringtone download, but this does not cover ASSCAP public performance royalties.

</p><p>"The musicians and songwriters are the true creators of objective value in society," said ASSCAP spokesdroid Ayn Rand. "They deserve your support. How would civilisation survive without Crazy Frog or the Nokia Tune?

</p><p>"To this end, we are bringing suits against those individuals who, having purchased RIAA-licensed ringtones, do not then silence them when in public. Statutory damages of $80,000 should have a salutary effect on our coffers and, of course, our public image."

</p><p>Further lawsuits will then be brought against those who silence their mobile phones. "<i>4'33'</i> by John Cage is a copyrighted work. Without the money going to his estate, he may never write another measured piece of silence again."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( to be posted on NotN [ today.com ] tomorrow , probably ) The American Super-Society of Composers and Performers has filed a brief in a lawsuit against AT&amp;T arguing that its members deserve payment every time a mobile phone rings .
The owners of the musical compositions are already paid for each ringtone download , but this does not cover ASSCAP public performance royalties .
" The musicians and songwriters are the true creators of objective value in society , " said ASSCAP spokesdroid Ayn Rand .
" They deserve your support .
How would civilisation survive without Crazy Frog or the Nokia Tune ?
" To this end , we are bringing suits against those individuals who , having purchased RIAA-licensed ringtones , do not then silence them when in public .
Statutory damages of $ 80,000 should have a salutary effect on our coffers and , of course , our public image .
" Further lawsuits will then be brought against those who silence their mobile phones .
" 4'33 ' by John Cage is a copyrighted work .
Without the money going to his estate , he may never write another measured piece of silence again .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> (to be posted on NotN [today.com] tomorrow, probably)

The American Super-Society of Composers and Performers has filed a brief in a lawsuit against AT&amp;T arguing that its members deserve payment every time a mobile phone rings.
The owners of the musical compositions are already paid for each ringtone download, but this does not cover ASSCAP public performance royalties.
"The musicians and songwriters are the true creators of objective value in society," said ASSCAP spokesdroid Ayn Rand.
"They deserve your support.
How would civilisation survive without Crazy Frog or the Nokia Tune?
"To this end, we are bringing suits against those individuals who, having purchased RIAA-licensed ringtones, do not then silence them when in public.
Statutory damages of $80,000 should have a salutary effect on our coffers and, of course, our public image.
"

Further lawsuits will then be brought against those who silence their mobile phones.
"4'33' by John Cage is a copyrighted work.
Without the money going to his estate, he may never write another measured piece of silence again.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28433263</id>
	<title>So that would be....?</title>
	<author>smchris</author>
	<datestamp>1245682740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the joy your friggin' phone is bringing to those around you when it goes off?  ASCAP should be forced to set aside a fund to pay \_US\_.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the joy your friggin ' phone is bringing to those around you when it goes off ?
ASCAP should be forced to set aside a fund to pay \ _US \ _ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the joy your friggin' phone is bringing to those around you when it goes off?
ASCAP should be forced to set aside a fund to pay \_US\_.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431173</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>severoon</author>
	<datestamp>1245673320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another word for "composer" is "handicrafter." Another word for "publisher" is "typesetter." So ASCAP should change their name from "American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers" to "American Society of Skilled Handicrafting, Authoring and Typesetting Specialists."
</p><p>Short form: ASSHATS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another word for " composer " is " handicrafter .
" Another word for " publisher " is " typesetter .
" So ASCAP should change their name from " American Society of Composers , Authors and Publishers " to " American Society of Skilled Handicrafting , Authoring and Typesetting Specialists .
" Short form : ASSHATS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another word for "composer" is "handicrafter.
" Another word for "publisher" is "typesetter.
" So ASCAP should change their name from "American Society of Composers, Authors and Publishers" to "American Society of Skilled Handicrafting, Authoring and Typesetting Specialists.
"
Short form: ASSHATS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431051</id>
	<title>Go AT&amp;T!</title>
	<author>WiiVault</author>
	<datestamp>1245672960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Kick their asses.... Boy never thought I would be siding with big telcom. Just goes to show that the entertainment industry beats big oil and evil utilities when it comes to the biggest corporate douche olympics. A perfect 10 indeed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Kick their asses.... Boy never thought I would be siding with big telcom .
Just goes to show that the entertainment industry beats big oil and evil utilities when it comes to the biggest corporate douche olympics .
A perfect 10 indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kick their asses.... Boy never thought I would be siding with big telcom.
Just goes to show that the entertainment industry beats big oil and evil utilities when it comes to the biggest corporate douche olympics.
A perfect 10 indeed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430195</id>
	<title>One cannot help but wonder . . .</title>
	<author>taustin</author>
	<datestamp>1245669900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>. . . why these people have not been struck by a meteor. If there were a God in this universe, there would be a meteor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
why these people have not been struck by a meteor .
If there were a God in this universe , there would be a meteor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .
why these people have not been struck by a meteor.
If there were a God in this universe, there would be a meteor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432835</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1245680580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, we already pay AT&amp;T and others to download ring tones and for the right to play those songs.  I'd hate to think people were giving AT&amp;T money for the privilege of violating copyright when they could have violated copyright for free...<br><br>As far as I understand it, ASCAP doesn't own any copyrights and it's just a middle-man that makes royalty collections more convenient.  So if the original artist is fine with the arrangements with AT&amp;T and Verizon and others, then it's none of ASCAP's damned business to step in and get some money on the side.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , we already pay AT&amp;T and others to download ring tones and for the right to play those songs .
I 'd hate to think people were giving AT&amp;T money for the privilege of violating copyright when they could have violated copyright for free...As far as I understand it , ASCAP does n't own any copyrights and it 's just a middle-man that makes royalty collections more convenient .
So if the original artist is fine with the arrangements with AT&amp;T and Verizon and others , then it 's none of ASCAP 's damned business to step in and get some money on the side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, we already pay AT&amp;T and others to download ring tones and for the right to play those songs.
I'd hate to think people were giving AT&amp;T money for the privilege of violating copyright when they could have violated copyright for free...As far as I understand it, ASCAP doesn't own any copyrights and it's just a middle-man that makes royalty collections more convenient.
So if the original artist is fine with the arrangements with AT&amp;T and Verizon and others, then it's none of ASCAP's damned business to step in and get some money on the side.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28448101</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245767520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unethical pharmaceutical company that's already demonstrated it will release a known bad product and bribe doctors to prescribe good products when they're not the appropriate option knows the patent for the VERY lucrative product their competitor is selling is theirs to sell too if something should "happen" to the other company's researcher...</p><p>They have motive and an established disregard for life.</p><p>Consider how Monsanto's extortion can ruin small farms, consider all the white collar crimes that knowingly eliminate hundreds or thousands of jobs for padding their own paychecks.</p><p>That the world of business is filled with the kinds of people who consider the lives of others to be of NO value is an established fact.  The last thing we need to do is to tempt a group already going well beyond any reasonable bounds and encourage them to make the hop from "ruin lives" to "end lives".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unethical pharmaceutical company that 's already demonstrated it will release a known bad product and bribe doctors to prescribe good products when they 're not the appropriate option knows the patent for the VERY lucrative product their competitor is selling is theirs to sell too if something should " happen " to the other company 's researcher...They have motive and an established disregard for life.Consider how Monsanto 's extortion can ruin small farms , consider all the white collar crimes that knowingly eliminate hundreds or thousands of jobs for padding their own paychecks.That the world of business is filled with the kinds of people who consider the lives of others to be of NO value is an established fact .
The last thing we need to do is to tempt a group already going well beyond any reasonable bounds and encourage them to make the hop from " ruin lives " to " end lives " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unethical pharmaceutical company that's already demonstrated it will release a known bad product and bribe doctors to prescribe good products when they're not the appropriate option knows the patent for the VERY lucrative product their competitor is selling is theirs to sell too if something should "happen" to the other company's researcher...They have motive and an established disregard for life.Consider how Monsanto's extortion can ruin small farms, consider all the white collar crimes that knowingly eliminate hundreds or thousands of jobs for padding their own paychecks.That the world of business is filled with the kinds of people who consider the lives of others to be of NO value is an established fact.
The last thing we need to do is to tempt a group already going well beyond any reasonable bounds and encourage them to make the hop from "ruin lives" to "end lives".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432409</id>
	<title>Re:Slippery slope on "public performance"</title>
	<author>dstates</author>
	<datestamp>1245678480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, they are asking the stereo manufacturers to put Doppler radar and a credit card reader into speaker systems so that they can count the number of heart beats listening to a song and bill you accordingly. After all, the Barry Manilow Foundation needs to get paid every time your girlfriend listens to your CD with you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , they are asking the stereo manufacturers to put Doppler radar and a credit card reader into speaker systems so that they can count the number of heart beats listening to a song and bill you accordingly .
After all , the Barry Manilow Foundation needs to get paid every time your girlfriend listens to your CD with you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, they are asking the stereo manufacturers to put Doppler radar and a credit card reader into speaker systems so that they can count the number of heart beats listening to a song and bill you accordingly.
After all, the Barry Manilow Foundation needs to get paid every time your girlfriend listens to your CD with you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28436965</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245759840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, they're simply (continuing) to live up to their name!</p><p>When I was in college (went to a small christian college in IL), the students were doing a self-led 10pm worship that was nothing but singing.  I was the only guy on campus that owned an accoustic bass guitar, so I was asked to play along with the other guitarists, and agreed.  We basically sang whatever praise and worship songs people started singing, and the guitarists went along with it and ad-libbed.</p><p>Well - about 2 weeks after we started this, the college got a letter from ASCAP demanding performance payments.  I kid you not - someone on campus turned us in.  For doing praise and worship in a private group.  The girl scouts around a camp fire at least is a large enough organization that I can almost see it, but someone on campus was just feeling spiteful, and even after explaining the situation ASCAP would not back down and threaten to sue us if we continued.</p><p>So we couldn't do it anymore.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p><p>Absolute idiocy.  If ever a group was aptly named, ASCAP has done themselves a service at least in that department.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , they 're simply ( continuing ) to live up to their name ! When I was in college ( went to a small christian college in IL ) , the students were doing a self-led 10pm worship that was nothing but singing .
I was the only guy on campus that owned an accoustic bass guitar , so I was asked to play along with the other guitarists , and agreed .
We basically sang whatever praise and worship songs people started singing , and the guitarists went along with it and ad-libbed.Well - about 2 weeks after we started this , the college got a letter from ASCAP demanding performance payments .
I kid you not - someone on campus turned us in .
For doing praise and worship in a private group .
The girl scouts around a camp fire at least is a large enough organization that I can almost see it , but someone on campus was just feeling spiteful , and even after explaining the situation ASCAP would not back down and threaten to sue us if we continued.So we could n't do it anymore .
: ( Absolute idiocy .
If ever a group was aptly named , ASCAP has done themselves a service at least in that department .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, they're simply (continuing) to live up to their name!When I was in college (went to a small christian college in IL), the students were doing a self-led 10pm worship that was nothing but singing.
I was the only guy on campus that owned an accoustic bass guitar, so I was asked to play along with the other guitarists, and agreed.
We basically sang whatever praise and worship songs people started singing, and the guitarists went along with it and ad-libbed.Well - about 2 weeks after we started this, the college got a letter from ASCAP demanding performance payments.
I kid you not - someone on campus turned us in.
For doing praise and worship in a private group.
The girl scouts around a camp fire at least is a large enough organization that I can almost see it, but someone on campus was just feeling spiteful, and even after explaining the situation ASCAP would not back down and threaten to sue us if we continued.So we couldn't do it anymore.
:(Absolute idiocy.
If ever a group was aptly named, ASCAP has done themselves a service at least in that department.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430135</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28434493</id>
	<title>Suck it, ASCAP</title>
	<author>kheldan</author>
	<datestamp>1245690180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can't charge me a royalty when my phone rings, because it rings like a <a href="http://www.mobango.com/media\_details/uniphone/fphnK!2csxo\%3D/?pni=9" title="mobango.com">standard Bell telephone</a> [mobango.com]. No copyright on that, assholes!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't charge me a royalty when my phone rings , because it rings like a standard Bell telephone [ mobango.com ] .
No copyright on that , assholes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't charge me a royalty when my phone rings, because it rings like a standard Bell telephone [mobango.com].
No copyright on that, assholes!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431441</id>
	<title>Re:What about radios, etc?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245674160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, based on prior public use of air wave transmissions in public places, aka radio. This practice is also supported by movies and newscasts where a 'boom box is used in public and starts festival like dancing by the people nearby. Ok, sentence one of my statement can be used in court no problem, sentence two, well it is stretching it a bit, but could be argued by a decent lawyer that it is allowed because the entertainment industry showed us by example to play our music loudly to create a festive mood.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , based on prior public use of air wave transmissions in public places , aka radio .
This practice is also supported by movies and newscasts where a 'boom box is used in public and starts festival like dancing by the people nearby .
Ok , sentence one of my statement can be used in court no problem , sentence two , well it is stretching it a bit , but could be argued by a decent lawyer that it is allowed because the entertainment industry showed us by example to play our music loudly to create a festive mood .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, based on prior public use of air wave transmissions in public places, aka radio.
This practice is also supported by movies and newscasts where a 'boom box is used in public and starts festival like dancing by the people nearby.
Ok, sentence one of my statement can be used in court no problem, sentence two, well it is stretching it a bit, but could be argued by a decent lawyer that it is allowed because the entertainment industry showed us by example to play our music loudly to create a festive mood.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432859</id>
	<title>You know, i might be for this.</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1245680700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they jack the price up so no one can afford to have those damned annoying tunes on their phones that always seem to go off during meetings or at the movie house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they jack the price up so no one can afford to have those damned annoying tunes on their phones that always seem to go off during meetings or at the movie house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they jack the price up so no one can afford to have those damned annoying tunes on their phones that always seem to go off during meetings or at the movie house.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28434901</id>
	<title>ASCAP</title>
	<author>altek</author>
	<datestamp>1245693600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>is that some type of ASSHAT?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is that some type of ASSHAT ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is that some type of ASSHAT?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28433011</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1245681480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They renamed file-sharing into "piracy". When do we start renaming copyright claims into "extorsion" ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>They renamed file-sharing into " piracy " .
When do we start renaming copyright claims into " extorsion " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They renamed file-sharing into "piracy".
When do we start renaming copyright claims into "extorsion" ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431375</id>
	<title>Well, someone should have to pay</title>
	<author>Groggnrath</author>
	<datestamp>1245673980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As far as I'm concerned, someone should have to pay ever time a cell phone goes off in, say, the middle of a movie theater.<br> <br>I couldn't care less who gets the money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as I 'm concerned , someone should have to pay ever time a cell phone goes off in , say , the middle of a movie theater .
I could n't care less who gets the money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as I'm concerned, someone should have to pay ever time a cell phone goes off in, say, the middle of a movie theater.
I couldn't care less who gets the money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431283</id>
	<title>EVEN WORSE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245673740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ASPCA Wants To Be Paid When Your Dog Rings.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ASPCA Wants To Be Paid When Your Dog Rings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ASPCA Wants To Be Paid When Your Dog Rings.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430759</id>
	<title>missing tag</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245672000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where is the "insanity" tag? Seriously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where is the " insanity " tag ?
Seriously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where is the "insanity" tag?
Seriously.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28436425</id>
	<title>I'm rooting for North Korea!</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1245753000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is like Iran and North Korea going at it.</p></div><p>Seeing how this is going to be a nuclear war, let's consider the collateral damages to neighboring countries.</p><p>When North Korea gets hit, that's going to affect South Korea, which means I might be unable to watch Starcraft on GomTV.</p><p>If Iran gets hit, that's going to affect Iraq.  Let's see, what do they provide of value... Oil to Bush?  Oh, that was way back when?  Uhmm....</p><p>Yeah, I want my Starcraft.  Go NK, Go Kim!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is like Iran and North Korea going at it.Seeing how this is going to be a nuclear war , let 's consider the collateral damages to neighboring countries.When North Korea gets hit , that 's going to affect South Korea , which means I might be unable to watch Starcraft on GomTV.If Iran gets hit , that 's going to affect Iraq .
Let 's see , what do they provide of value... Oil to Bush ?
Oh , that was way back when ?
Uhmm....Yeah , I want my Starcraft .
Go NK , Go Kim !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is like Iran and North Korea going at it.Seeing how this is going to be a nuclear war, let's consider the collateral damages to neighboring countries.When North Korea gets hit, that's going to affect South Korea, which means I might be unable to watch Starcraft on GomTV.If Iran gets hit, that's going to affect Iraq.
Let's see, what do they provide of value... Oil to Bush?
Oh, that was way back when?
Uhmm....Yeah, I want my Starcraft.
Go NK, Go Kim!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430467</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430157</id>
	<title>What about radios, etc?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245669780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this mean if I have a radio with speakers in a public place I need to pay some kind of fee?  I know that businesses which have radios that their customers can hear pay a license fee, but what about people, say, on the beach listening to a boom box?  If they don't have to pay a fee, why should people with cell phones or their providers pay a public performance fee?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean if I have a radio with speakers in a public place I need to pay some kind of fee ?
I know that businesses which have radios that their customers can hear pay a license fee , but what about people , say , on the beach listening to a boom box ?
If they do n't have to pay a fee , why should people with cell phones or their providers pay a public performance fee ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean if I have a radio with speakers in a public place I need to pay some kind of fee?
I know that businesses which have radios that their customers can hear pay a license fee, but what about people, say, on the beach listening to a boom box?
If they don't have to pay a fee, why should people with cell phones or their providers pay a public performance fee?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431083</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>Smooth and Shiny</author>
	<datestamp>1245673080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tea? No, they need a hefty dose of cyanide washed down with Foaming Liquid Drano(tm).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tea ?
No , they need a hefty dose of cyanide washed down with Foaming Liquid Drano ( tm ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tea?
No, they need a hefty dose of cyanide washed down with Foaming Liquid Drano(tm).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430135</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430381</id>
	<title>Why am I not surprised...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245670500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This has got to be the dumbest thing I've heard.</p><p>Next, they will sue any device capable of making sounds in public. Phones are just the beginning, how about iPods, car makers, "boom box" (portable stereo system) makers. While I'd love it if the guys blasting their audio in their car would stop the noise pollution when I'm in their vacinity, I don't think suing them for publicly performing a copywritten work will effect change... And I don't think AT&amp;T is to blame here.</p><p>Copyright is a temporary monopoly given to content creators on their works so that they can earn money without being ripped off. It is not intended to be used to stranglehold any company making a device which can play a sound to pay an extortion fee to a group representing content creators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This has got to be the dumbest thing I 've heard.Next , they will sue any device capable of making sounds in public .
Phones are just the beginning , how about iPods , car makers , " boom box " ( portable stereo system ) makers .
While I 'd love it if the guys blasting their audio in their car would stop the noise pollution when I 'm in their vacinity , I do n't think suing them for publicly performing a copywritten work will effect change... And I do n't think AT&amp;T is to blame here.Copyright is a temporary monopoly given to content creators on their works so that they can earn money without being ripped off .
It is not intended to be used to stranglehold any company making a device which can play a sound to pay an extortion fee to a group representing content creators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This has got to be the dumbest thing I've heard.Next, they will sue any device capable of making sounds in public.
Phones are just the beginning, how about iPods, car makers, "boom box" (portable stereo system) makers.
While I'd love it if the guys blasting their audio in their car would stop the noise pollution when I'm in their vacinity, I don't think suing them for publicly performing a copywritten work will effect change... And I don't think AT&amp;T is to blame here.Copyright is a temporary monopoly given to content creators on their works so that they can earn money without being ripped off.
It is not intended to be used to stranglehold any company making a device which can play a sound to pay an extortion fee to a group representing content creators.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430243</id>
	<title>No Ringtones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245670140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet one more reason to avoid ringtones.</p><p>Not saying they are correct, just that I hate being forced to listen to someone's obnoxious music every time their phone rings.</p><p>Besides, even if it does count as a performance... doesn't selling a license to a song as a ringtone <i>imply</i> the right to use the ring tone without paying each time?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet one more reason to avoid ringtones.Not saying they are correct , just that I hate being forced to listen to someone 's obnoxious music every time their phone rings.Besides , even if it does count as a performance... does n't selling a license to a song as a ringtone imply the right to use the ring tone without paying each time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet one more reason to avoid ringtones.Not saying they are correct, just that I hate being forced to listen to someone's obnoxious music every time their phone rings.Besides, even if it does count as a performance... doesn't selling a license to a song as a ringtone imply the right to use the ring tone without paying each time?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431023</id>
	<title>This is great news!</title>
	<author>kpainter</author>
	<datestamp>1245672900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the ASCAP were actually to win and they were able to charge every time a ringtone encumbered cellphone rang, everybody would quit using those annoying ringtones!  I can't wait.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the ASCAP were actually to win and they were able to charge every time a ringtone encumbered cellphone rang , everybody would quit using those annoying ringtones !
I ca n't wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the ASCAP were actually to win and they were able to charge every time a ringtone encumbered cellphone rang, everybody would quit using those annoying ringtones!
I can't wait.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432877</id>
	<title>Performance</title>
	<author>blamanj</author>
	<datestamp>1245680760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If ASCAP really believes that ringtones constitute a performance, then surely they won't mind standing between any decent rock band and their fans when the band comes out and only performs 16 bars of all their hit songs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If ASCAP really believes that ringtones constitute a performance , then surely they wo n't mind standing between any decent rock band and their fans when the band comes out and only performs 16 bars of all their hit songs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If ASCAP really believes that ringtones constitute a performance, then surely they won't mind standing between any decent rock band and their fans when the band comes out and only performs 16 bars of all their hit songs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28448141</id>
	<title>Re:ASCAP is not RIAA</title>
	<author>iggymanz</author>
	<datestamp>1245767940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>no.  Those fucking pricks at the ASCAP have been known to prevent performances of entirely original material at open mike events with the b.s. line that there's no way to know beforehand if the performer will choose to violate copyright during the event!  they can burn in the same hell with the other entertainment cartel thugs</htmltext>
<tokenext>no .
Those fucking pricks at the ASCAP have been known to prevent performances of entirely original material at open mike events with the b.s .
line that there 's no way to know beforehand if the performer will choose to violate copyright during the event !
they can burn in the same hell with the other entertainment cartel thugs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no.
Those fucking pricks at the ASCAP have been known to prevent performances of entirely original material at open mike events with the b.s.
line that there's no way to know beforehand if the performer will choose to violate copyright during the event!
they can burn in the same hell with the other entertainment cartel thugs</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432893</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432797</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>GumphMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1245680400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It might be a public performance in some sense, but I venture that a lot of the ring tones that people have on their phones are paid for by the subscriber (through their carrier, phone manufacturer, or one of the underhand subscription services) and therefore legally licensed for the purpose for which they are being used.  ASCAP is trying to retrospectively change the agreements it knowingly entered into with the ring tone vendors to allow use of the tones as the audible ring of a phone.</p><p>If people were deliberately ringing their own phone and charging admission to hear the ring tone then maybe the case would cease to be a horrendous waste of court time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It might be a public performance in some sense , but I venture that a lot of the ring tones that people have on their phones are paid for by the subscriber ( through their carrier , phone manufacturer , or one of the underhand subscription services ) and therefore legally licensed for the purpose for which they are being used .
ASCAP is trying to retrospectively change the agreements it knowingly entered into with the ring tone vendors to allow use of the tones as the audible ring of a phone.If people were deliberately ringing their own phone and charging admission to hear the ring tone then maybe the case would cease to be a horrendous waste of court time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It might be a public performance in some sense, but I venture that a lot of the ring tones that people have on their phones are paid for by the subscriber (through their carrier, phone manufacturer, or one of the underhand subscription services) and therefore legally licensed for the purpose for which they are being used.
ASCAP is trying to retrospectively change the agreements it knowingly entered into with the ring tone vendors to allow use of the tones as the audible ring of a phone.If people were deliberately ringing their own phone and charging admission to hear the ring tone then maybe the case would cease to be a horrendous waste of court time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430437</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28441509</id>
	<title>Who should get paid</title>
	<author>pfant</author>
	<datestamp>1245781860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>so cellphone companies can charge for the ringtones but the composers can't?</htmltext>
<tokenext>so cellphone companies can charge for the ringtones but the composers ca n't ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so cellphone companies can charge for the ringtones but the composers can't?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28434715</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>JohnRoss1968</author>
	<datestamp>1245691980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry all out of tea...would a bullet do ??</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry all out of tea...would a bullet do ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry all out of tea...would a bullet do ?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430135</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432887</id>
	<title>Re:What about radios, etc?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1245680820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its always been that way if people can hear your stereo, just never is enforced.</p><p>Technically, if you have friends over for a party and bring out your CD's, its a violation too. The radio might be ok in that situation tho, not sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its always been that way if people can hear your stereo , just never is enforced.Technically , if you have friends over for a party and bring out your CD 's , its a violation too .
The radio might be ok in that situation tho , not sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its always been that way if people can hear your stereo, just never is enforced.Technically, if you have friends over for a party and bring out your CD's, its a violation too.
The radio might be ok in that situation tho, not sure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431929</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>dgatwood</author>
	<datestamp>1245676320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm not an IP law student or lawyer, but I don't see an exception that governs this case.</p></div></blockquote><p>On the contrary, potentially both #4 and #5 cover such use:</p><blockquote><div><p>(4) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work otherwise than in a transmission to the public, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without payment of any fee or other compensation for the performance to any of its performers, promoters, or organizers, if -- </p><p>(A) there is no direct or indirect admission charge; or....</p><p>----</p><p>(5)(A) except as provided in subparagraph (B), communication of a transmission embodying a performance or display of a work by the public reception of the transmission on a single receiving apparatus of a kind commonly used in private homes, unless -- </p><p>(i) a direct charge is made to see or hear the transmission; or</p><p>(ii) the transmission thus received is further transmitted to the public;</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Where the exception in 5(B) says that commercial entities are not eligible for that exemption.  In short, AT&amp;T causing the public performance to occur is not exempt if it is shown that ringtones are public performances, but an individual installing a ringtone on a phone is exempt.  AT&amp;T would probably also be exempt if they hadn't sold the ringtones... but of course, they did.</p><p>Like I said in another post, this case is about AT&amp;T charging people extortionate fees for ringtones under the guise of it being required because of license fees, but then not paying those license fees.  ASCAP is not trying to make individuals pay per play for ringtones.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not an IP law student or lawyer , but I do n't see an exception that governs this case.On the contrary , potentially both # 4 and # 5 cover such use : ( 4 ) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work otherwise than in a transmission to the public , without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without payment of any fee or other compensation for the performance to any of its performers , promoters , or organizers , if -- ( A ) there is no direct or indirect admission charge ; or....---- ( 5 ) ( A ) except as provided in subparagraph ( B ) , communication of a transmission embodying a performance or display of a work by the public reception of the transmission on a single receiving apparatus of a kind commonly used in private homes , unless -- ( i ) a direct charge is made to see or hear the transmission ; or ( ii ) the transmission thus received is further transmitted to the public ; Where the exception in 5 ( B ) says that commercial entities are not eligible for that exemption .
In short , AT&amp;T causing the public performance to occur is not exempt if it is shown that ringtones are public performances , but an individual installing a ringtone on a phone is exempt .
AT&amp;T would probably also be exempt if they had n't sold the ringtones... but of course , they did.Like I said in another post , this case is about AT&amp;T charging people extortionate fees for ringtones under the guise of it being required because of license fees , but then not paying those license fees .
ASCAP is not trying to make individuals pay per play for ringtones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not an IP law student or lawyer, but I don't see an exception that governs this case.On the contrary, potentially both #4 and #5 cover such use:(4) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work otherwise than in a transmission to the public, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without payment of any fee or other compensation for the performance to any of its performers, promoters, or organizers, if -- (A) there is no direct or indirect admission charge; or....----(5)(A) except as provided in subparagraph (B), communication of a transmission embodying a performance or display of a work by the public reception of the transmission on a single receiving apparatus of a kind commonly used in private homes, unless -- (i) a direct charge is made to see or hear the transmission; or(ii) the transmission thus received is further transmitted to the public;
Where the exception in 5(B) says that commercial entities are not eligible for that exemption.
In short, AT&amp;T causing the public performance to occur is not exempt if it is shown that ringtones are public performances, but an individual installing a ringtone on a phone is exempt.
AT&amp;T would probably also be exempt if they hadn't sold the ringtones... but of course, they did.Like I said in another post, this case is about AT&amp;T charging people extortionate fees for ringtones under the guise of it being required because of license fees, but then not paying those license fees.
ASCAP is not trying to make individuals pay per play for ringtones.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430707</id>
	<title>Re:Everybody wants to be rich...</title>
	<author>Fluffeh</author>
	<datestamp>1245671700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, when the media stop pumping into everyone just how special they are, how rich they will become and how little they will have to do to get it all, people will wake up and smell the roses. Until the time that people realize that wealth and power generally come from hard work or extreme talent (or normally both) they will keep clutching at straws to try to take the easy road to achieve the same end result.<br> <br>

<b>Blame the media who is playing right into the hands of lazy people.</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , when the media stop pumping into everyone just how special they are , how rich they will become and how little they will have to do to get it all , people will wake up and smell the roses .
Until the time that people realize that wealth and power generally come from hard work or extreme talent ( or normally both ) they will keep clutching at straws to try to take the easy road to achieve the same end result .
Blame the media who is playing right into the hands of lazy people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, when the media stop pumping into everyone just how special they are, how rich they will become and how little they will have to do to get it all, people will wake up and smell the roses.
Until the time that people realize that wealth and power generally come from hard work or extreme talent (or normally both) they will keep clutching at straws to try to take the easy road to achieve the same end result.
Blame the media who is playing right into the hands of lazy people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430183</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430957</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>amRadioHed</author>
	<datestamp>1245672660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well if it is a public performance, than listening to a CD in your apartment or car with the windows open would also constitute a public performance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well if it is a public performance , than listening to a CD in your apartment or car with the windows open would also constitute a public performance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well if it is a public performance, than listening to a CD in your apartment or car with the windows open would also constitute a public performance.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430437</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430501</id>
	<title>Re:Slippery slope on "public performance"</title>
	<author>Lunoria</author>
	<datestamp>1245670980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They gonna come after me when I've got my car stereo cranked and the windows down?</p><p>I know the people driving around me probably should, but is that really a "public performance?"  A ringtone is no different than playing a stereo. It just goes off when you're not expecting it.</p></div><p>I really would prefer it if you people could just turn your music down. I don't care if you want to destroy your eardrums listening to crap. I just don't want to hear music so loud it drowns out normal conversations from people on the street.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They gon na come after me when I 've got my car stereo cranked and the windows down ? I know the people driving around me probably should , but is that really a " public performance ?
" A ringtone is no different than playing a stereo .
It just goes off when you 're not expecting it.I really would prefer it if you people could just turn your music down .
I do n't care if you want to destroy your eardrums listening to crap .
I just do n't want to hear music so loud it drowns out normal conversations from people on the street .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They gonna come after me when I've got my car stereo cranked and the windows down?I know the people driving around me probably should, but is that really a "public performance?
"  A ringtone is no different than playing a stereo.
It just goes off when you're not expecting it.I really would prefer it if you people could just turn your music down.
I don't care if you want to destroy your eardrums listening to crap.
I just don't want to hear music so loud it drowns out normal conversations from people on the street.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430251</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432205</id>
	<title>How about just paying up?</title>
	<author>AnnaZed</author>
	<datestamp>1245677520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about not being jerks and letting the authors collect their fractions of pennies for the use of their compositions to amuse yourself, impress your friends or whatever satisfaction is derived (presumed to be something, since it was worth it to you to pay to put it on your phone) from having the recognizable ringtone in the first place. How about that for being edgy and cool?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about not being jerks and letting the authors collect their fractions of pennies for the use of their compositions to amuse yourself , impress your friends or whatever satisfaction is derived ( presumed to be something , since it was worth it to you to pay to put it on your phone ) from having the recognizable ringtone in the first place .
How about that for being edgy and cool ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about not being jerks and letting the authors collect their fractions of pennies for the use of their compositions to amuse yourself, impress your friends or whatever satisfaction is derived (presumed to be something, since it was worth it to you to pay to put it on your phone) from having the recognizable ringtone in the first place.
How about that for being edgy and cool?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28442871</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1245786420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmmm. Well, my ringtone is a recording of frogs going "greedeep... greedeep..."<br> <br>Although I actually don't necessarily have a problem with paying the beasties royalties, I do have some difficulty establishing the exchange rate for frog dollars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmm .
Well , my ringtone is a recording of frogs going " greedeep... greedeep... " Although I actually do n't necessarily have a problem with paying the beasties royalties , I do have some difficulty establishing the exchange rate for frog dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmm.
Well, my ringtone is a recording of frogs going "greedeep... greedeep..." Although I actually don't necessarily have a problem with paying the beasties royalties, I do have some difficulty establishing the exchange rate for frog dollars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432229</id>
	<title>Inaccurate slashdot/EFF summary</title>
	<author>brit74</author>
	<datestamp>1245677700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Based on my reading of the article, they aren't threatening to sue individuals for "public performance".  Rather, they are using this as a ploy to wrangle more fees out of the phone companies.  Quotes like "you're violating copyright law by 'publicly performing' it without a license." are inaccurate.  Afterall, if you look at the article, it's part of a court document involving AT&amp;T - which shows who this is aimed at (i.e. not you, the consumer)  I will say that it sounds greedy, but it sounds more like a legal maneuver to get paid more, rather than an attack on the consumer.  But, congratulations to the EFF for getting everyone up in arms.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Based on my reading of the article , they are n't threatening to sue individuals for " public performance " .
Rather , they are using this as a ploy to wrangle more fees out of the phone companies .
Quotes like " you 're violating copyright law by 'publicly performing ' it without a license .
" are inaccurate .
Afterall , if you look at the article , it 's part of a court document involving AT&amp;T - which shows who this is aimed at ( i.e .
not you , the consumer ) I will say that it sounds greedy , but it sounds more like a legal maneuver to get paid more , rather than an attack on the consumer .
But , congratulations to the EFF for getting everyone up in arms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Based on my reading of the article, they aren't threatening to sue individuals for "public performance".
Rather, they are using this as a ploy to wrangle more fees out of the phone companies.
Quotes like "you're violating copyright law by 'publicly performing' it without a license.
" are inaccurate.
Afterall, if you look at the article, it's part of a court document involving AT&amp;T - which shows who this is aimed at (i.e.
not you, the consumer)  I will say that it sounds greedy, but it sounds more like a legal maneuver to get paid more, rather than an attack on the consumer.
But, congratulations to the EFF for getting everyone up in arms.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28435961</id>
	<title>Re:RIAA</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1245790500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And when they've searched my phone they'll sue me again because mine is too old to use downloaded ringtones, which celarly illegally deprives them of income. Great.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And when they 've searched my phone they 'll sue me again because mine is too old to use downloaded ringtones , which celarly illegally deprives them of income .
Great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And when they've searched my phone they'll sue me again because mine is too old to use downloaded ringtones, which celarly illegally deprives them of income.
Great.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28436207</id>
	<title>Wow seriously&#226;&#166;</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245750540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and I thought the british "Performing Rights Society" was bad for demanding money for music played in offices and canteens but this just takes the biscuit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and I thought the british " Performing Rights Society " was bad for demanding money for music played in offices and canteens but this just takes the biscuit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and I thought the british "Performing Rights Society" was bad for demanding money for music played in offices and canteens but this just takes the biscuit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430363</id>
	<title>Hold on, ASCAP != RIAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245670440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm an independent musician, and hate the RIAA, but ASCAP is more of a musician's union than anything else. They are one of the only groups that truly helps artists get paid for their work, in situations where money is already supposed to be set aside for the artists themselves. I have made a fair bit of cash in royalties from tracks that have appeared on networks like VH1 and A&amp;E -- that is money that would have never been reported to me otherwise. If some network wants to use my track in some show, and generate advertising money off of it, then I think the artist deserves their rightful share. FYI: I am not signed to a major label, and I don't have the resources or connections that those acts have. They also help in situations such as radio reporting in places where I don't even speak the language -- as one example, they discovered my music playing on a commercial radio station in eastern Poland, and were able to retrive the royalties I had earned.</p><p>So, please don't instinctively tar them with the same brush as the idiots at the RIAA. I don't agree with everything ASCAP does, but in general they are a positive force for trying to help the actual creators of content, not the big labels and corporations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm an independent musician , and hate the RIAA , but ASCAP is more of a musician 's union than anything else .
They are one of the only groups that truly helps artists get paid for their work , in situations where money is already supposed to be set aside for the artists themselves .
I have made a fair bit of cash in royalties from tracks that have appeared on networks like VH1 and A&amp;E -- that is money that would have never been reported to me otherwise .
If some network wants to use my track in some show , and generate advertising money off of it , then I think the artist deserves their rightful share .
FYI : I am not signed to a major label , and I do n't have the resources or connections that those acts have .
They also help in situations such as radio reporting in places where I do n't even speak the language -- as one example , they discovered my music playing on a commercial radio station in eastern Poland , and were able to retrive the royalties I had earned.So , please do n't instinctively tar them with the same brush as the idiots at the RIAA .
I do n't agree with everything ASCAP does , but in general they are a positive force for trying to help the actual creators of content , not the big labels and corporations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm an independent musician, and hate the RIAA, but ASCAP is more of a musician's union than anything else.
They are one of the only groups that truly helps artists get paid for their work, in situations where money is already supposed to be set aside for the artists themselves.
I have made a fair bit of cash in royalties from tracks that have appeared on networks like VH1 and A&amp;E -- that is money that would have never been reported to me otherwise.
If some network wants to use my track in some show, and generate advertising money off of it, then I think the artist deserves their rightful share.
FYI: I am not signed to a major label, and I don't have the resources or connections that those acts have.
They also help in situations such as radio reporting in places where I don't even speak the language -- as one example, they discovered my music playing on a commercial radio station in eastern Poland, and were able to retrive the royalties I had earned.So, please don't instinctively tar them with the same brush as the idiots at the RIAA.
I don't agree with everything ASCAP does, but in general they are a positive force for trying to help the actual creators of content, not the big labels and corporations.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430229</id>
	<title>Flashback...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245670080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember joking about this around the time of Napster's downfall. What a horrible age we live in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember joking about this around the time of Napster 's downfall .
What a horrible age we live in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember joking about this around the time of Napster's downfall.
What a horrible age we live in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28435985</id>
	<title>Fuck the music industry</title>
	<author>ischorr</author>
	<datestamp>1245790740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd rather stop listening to any music ever than spend money on them again.  Every time I think they can't be more douchetastic, they find a way.<br>
<br>
As soon as it stops being another greedy profit factory, I'll start buying again.  I'm not holding my breath.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather stop listening to any music ever than spend money on them again .
Every time I think they ca n't be more douchetastic , they find a way .
As soon as it stops being another greedy profit factory , I 'll start buying again .
I 'm not holding my breath .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather stop listening to any music ever than spend money on them again.
Every time I think they can't be more douchetastic, they find a way.
As soon as it stops being another greedy profit factory, I'll start buying again.
I'm not holding my breath.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28437233</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245762840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its an impromptu performance. It has no scheduled time (you don't know when the phone will ring). Thus, certainly in the UK at least, this doesn't have a leg to stand on. You don't need a license for such a performance.</p><p>Also, its typically not the full musical piece, which means its most likely "fair use" under the Berne convention.</p><p>Consider this (true in the UK): If you compose some music and record it (or record your version of someone else's tune) and a TV company like it, they can use up to 30 seconds of your tune for a musical segue in their program and pay you nothing. As soon as they hit 30 seconds, they owe you money. I know this because a friend of mine has had this happen to him. I've seen the program and heard his music. He gets nothing because they fade out at about 26 seconds (Uilleann pipes over a view of a Scottish Highland scene - typical film makers, just grab anything Celtic never mind its the wrong instrument from the wrong country).</p><p>Now if thats the case for music composes with a substantial chunk of the original composition, how on earth can they claim it for the not so good rendering of a shorter snippet the tune/song on a mobile phone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its an impromptu performance .
It has no scheduled time ( you do n't know when the phone will ring ) .
Thus , certainly in the UK at least , this does n't have a leg to stand on .
You do n't need a license for such a performance.Also , its typically not the full musical piece , which means its most likely " fair use " under the Berne convention.Consider this ( true in the UK ) : If you compose some music and record it ( or record your version of someone else 's tune ) and a TV company like it , they can use up to 30 seconds of your tune for a musical segue in their program and pay you nothing .
As soon as they hit 30 seconds , they owe you money .
I know this because a friend of mine has had this happen to him .
I 've seen the program and heard his music .
He gets nothing because they fade out at about 26 seconds ( Uilleann pipes over a view of a Scottish Highland scene - typical film makers , just grab anything Celtic never mind its the wrong instrument from the wrong country ) .Now if thats the case for music composes with a substantial chunk of the original composition , how on earth can they claim it for the not so good rendering of a shorter snippet the tune/song on a mobile phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its an impromptu performance.
It has no scheduled time (you don't know when the phone will ring).
Thus, certainly in the UK at least, this doesn't have a leg to stand on.
You don't need a license for such a performance.Also, its typically not the full musical piece, which means its most likely "fair use" under the Berne convention.Consider this (true in the UK): If you compose some music and record it (or record your version of someone else's tune) and a TV company like it, they can use up to 30 seconds of your tune for a musical segue in their program and pay you nothing.
As soon as they hit 30 seconds, they owe you money.
I know this because a friend of mine has had this happen to him.
I've seen the program and heard his music.
He gets nothing because they fade out at about 26 seconds (Uilleann pipes over a view of a Scottish Highland scene - typical film makers, just grab anything Celtic never mind its the wrong instrument from the wrong country).Now if thats the case for music composes with a substantial chunk of the original composition, how on earth can they claim it for the not so good rendering of a shorter snippet the tune/song on a mobile phone?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430191</id>
	<title>omg OMG</title>
	<author>hh4m</author>
	<datestamp>1245669900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>OMG im gna hav to pay ASCRAP royalty every time i flush my toilet!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG im gna hav to pay ASCRAP royalty every time i flush my toilet ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG im gna hav to pay ASCRAP royalty every time i flush my toilet!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430823</id>
	<title>Does AT&amp;T get credited for ring tones in songs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245672180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Several modern songs include standard cellular "ring" tones such as the infamous nokia tone within their songs.  Shouldn't music companies have to pay for the right to include these ring tones in their songs and pay AT&amp;T for their use every time their song is played by anyone in the world where it is remotly possible said song may be overheard by unlicensed ears?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Several modern songs include standard cellular " ring " tones such as the infamous nokia tone within their songs .
Should n't music companies have to pay for the right to include these ring tones in their songs and pay AT&amp;T for their use every time their song is played by anyone in the world where it is remotly possible said song may be overheard by unlicensed ears ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Several modern songs include standard cellular "ring" tones such as the infamous nokia tone within their songs.
Shouldn't music companies have to pay for the right to include these ring tones in their songs and pay AT&amp;T for their use every time their song is played by anyone in the world where it is remotly possible said song may be overheard by unlicensed ears?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430679</id>
	<title>Wang :/</title>
	<author>DavidR1991</author>
	<datestamp>1245671580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely, for the sake of reason, "Public performance" constitutes use by a commercial body of some form? (e.g. shopping centres, radio stations etc.) Otherwise there are millions of possible scenarios (which are completely inane from a copyright/licensing POV) where it could inadvertently happen - loud music from someone's car, a person having their MP3 player music very loud and hence audible...</p><p>If the court / legal bodies "buy" this kind of thing as being a violation, it's going to open the floodgates for a whole new wave of stinking turd - the world is already paranoid about liability, this kind of stuff just pushes us to the brink of practically "denouncing" others for supposed 'public performance'. Crazy, completely crazy. This is a said day for the world<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely , for the sake of reason , " Public performance " constitutes use by a commercial body of some form ?
( e.g. shopping centres , radio stations etc .
) Otherwise there are millions of possible scenarios ( which are completely inane from a copyright/licensing POV ) where it could inadvertently happen - loud music from someone 's car , a person having their MP3 player music very loud and hence audible...If the court / legal bodies " buy " this kind of thing as being a violation , it 's going to open the floodgates for a whole new wave of stinking turd - the world is already paranoid about liability , this kind of stuff just pushes us to the brink of practically " denouncing " others for supposed 'public performance' .
Crazy , completely crazy .
This is a said day for the world : /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely, for the sake of reason, "Public performance" constitutes use by a commercial body of some form?
(e.g. shopping centres, radio stations etc.
) Otherwise there are millions of possible scenarios (which are completely inane from a copyright/licensing POV) where it could inadvertently happen - loud music from someone's car, a person having their MP3 player music very loud and hence audible...If the court / legal bodies "buy" this kind of thing as being a violation, it's going to open the floodgates for a whole new wave of stinking turd - the world is already paranoid about liability, this kind of stuff just pushes us to the brink of practically "denouncing" others for supposed 'public performance'.
Crazy, completely crazy.
This is a said day for the world :/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28450855</id>
	<title>Sound systems in cars</title>
	<author>skiman1979</author>
	<datestamp>1245846300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about all those people with HUGE sound systems in their cars?  The type that pump out so much bass that the entire frame of the car rattles as the car moves down the road, and the music can be heard hundreds of meters away.  I guess the RIAA will be going after them too, if they haven't already, assuming the driver is playing CDs rather than public radio broadcasts which would be covered by royalties paid by the radio station.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about all those people with HUGE sound systems in their cars ?
The type that pump out so much bass that the entire frame of the car rattles as the car moves down the road , and the music can be heard hundreds of meters away .
I guess the RIAA will be going after them too , if they have n't already , assuming the driver is playing CDs rather than public radio broadcasts which would be covered by royalties paid by the radio station .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about all those people with HUGE sound systems in their cars?
The type that pump out so much bass that the entire frame of the car rattles as the car moves down the road, and the music can be heard hundreds of meters away.
I guess the RIAA will be going after them too, if they haven't already, assuming the driver is playing CDs rather than public radio broadcasts which would be covered by royalties paid by the radio station.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432233</id>
	<title>They can go pound sand.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245677700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My cell-phone ring is a recording of a WD-500 telephone set. A real ringer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My cell-phone ring is a recording of a WD-500 telephone set .
A real ringer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My cell-phone ring is a recording of a WD-500 telephone set.
A real ringer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430665</id>
	<title>Luckily...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245671520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I always keep my phone on vibrate.<br> <br>

Take <i>that</i> ASCAP!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I always keep my phone on vibrate .
Take that ASCAP !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always keep my phone on vibrate.
Take that ASCAP!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431875</id>
	<title>Pure ignorance</title>
	<author>CaptSaltyJack</author>
	<datestamp>1245676080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So much ignorance in these comments. People really don't understand how ASCAP works, otherwise you'd realize it's not possible for ASCAP to collect money from people singing around a camp fire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So much ignorance in these comments .
People really do n't understand how ASCAP works , otherwise you 'd realize it 's not possible for ASCAP to collect money from people singing around a camp fire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So much ignorance in these comments.
People really don't understand how ASCAP works, otherwise you'd realize it's not possible for ASCAP to collect money from people singing around a camp fire.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28438227</id>
	<title>ASCAP has no positive image left</title>
	<author>betterunixthanunix</author>
	<datestamp>1245768900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone who is familiar with ASCAP but not a member is already aware of their ludicrous claims and tactics, and their ridiculous methods of making money.  How much of a PR hit could they possibly take?  This sounds like "more of the same" to me...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who is familiar with ASCAP but not a member is already aware of their ludicrous claims and tactics , and their ridiculous methods of making money .
How much of a PR hit could they possibly take ?
This sounds like " more of the same " to me.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who is familiar with ASCAP but not a member is already aware of their ludicrous claims and tactics, and their ridiculous methods of making money.
How much of a PR hit could they possibly take?
This sounds like "more of the same" to me...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430225</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28436411</id>
	<title>I hope they get what they wanted</title>
	<author>mapkinase</author>
	<datestamp>1245752880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I really hope they get their measure passed. Any incentive for people to abuse my ear less with this idiotic invention of "ringtone" is very welcome by me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I really hope they get their measure passed .
Any incentive for people to abuse my ear less with this idiotic invention of " ringtone " is very welcome by me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really hope they get their measure passed.
Any incentive for people to abuse my ear less with this idiotic invention of "ringtone" is very welcome by me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430143</id>
	<title>RIAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245669720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if ASCAP doesn't win, the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if ASCAP does n't win , the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if ASCAP doesn't win, the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430607</id>
	<title>Can I charge them?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245671340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't ever want to hear an ASCAP licensed ringtone performed in a public place. Can I charge them whenever I hear one?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't ever want to hear an ASCAP licensed ringtone performed in a public place .
Can I charge them whenever I hear one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't ever want to hear an ASCAP licensed ringtone performed in a public place.
Can I charge them whenever I hear one?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28442853</id>
	<title>A few fun implications</title>
	<author>Banzai042</author>
	<datestamp>1245786360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One thing that worries me about this is the fact that ASCAP requires the entity paying for the public performance to collect data on what songs are played, and the number of times that they are played, so that the artists can be compensated in proportion to how often their songs are played (which does actually happen, believe it or not).  This would mean that AT&amp;T would be required to set up a system where every time an individual's phone rings the ringtone used on the phone would be reported back to AT&amp;T.  After all, how are they to know which of the 10 mangled song clips a user paid for are being used as a ringtone, or what if they're in a movie and actually set their phone on vibrate?  And what about user created ringtones?  Do they just assume that the filename accurately describes the song being played?
<br>
<br>
Of course there's also the fact that AT&amp;T will need to raise prices to cover the added cost, and since the royalty is not a one-time fee users will need to pay a subscription cost for each ringtone.  And if AT&amp;T ends up with an arrangement where they are charged each time a phone rings, then users will need to pay something like $.01 every time their phone rings.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing that worries me about this is the fact that ASCAP requires the entity paying for the public performance to collect data on what songs are played , and the number of times that they are played , so that the artists can be compensated in proportion to how often their songs are played ( which does actually happen , believe it or not ) .
This would mean that AT&amp;T would be required to set up a system where every time an individual 's phone rings the ringtone used on the phone would be reported back to AT&amp;T .
After all , how are they to know which of the 10 mangled song clips a user paid for are being used as a ringtone , or what if they 're in a movie and actually set their phone on vibrate ?
And what about user created ringtones ?
Do they just assume that the filename accurately describes the song being played ?
Of course there 's also the fact that AT&amp;T will need to raise prices to cover the added cost , and since the royalty is not a one-time fee users will need to pay a subscription cost for each ringtone .
And if AT&amp;T ends up with an arrangement where they are charged each time a phone rings , then users will need to pay something like $ .01 every time their phone rings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing that worries me about this is the fact that ASCAP requires the entity paying for the public performance to collect data on what songs are played, and the number of times that they are played, so that the artists can be compensated in proportion to how often their songs are played (which does actually happen, believe it or not).
This would mean that AT&amp;T would be required to set up a system where every time an individual's phone rings the ringtone used on the phone would be reported back to AT&amp;T.
After all, how are they to know which of the 10 mangled song clips a user paid for are being used as a ringtone, or what if they're in a movie and actually set their phone on vibrate?
And what about user created ringtones?
Do they just assume that the filename accurately describes the song being played?
Of course there's also the fact that AT&amp;T will need to raise prices to cover the added cost, and since the royalty is not a one-time fee users will need to pay a subscription cost for each ringtone.
And if AT&amp;T ends up with an arrangement where they are charged each time a phone rings, then users will need to pay something like $.01 every time their phone rings.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28433301</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1245682920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm guessing by "Patents should be 70 years..." you mean Copyrights.  Because Patents are completely different entities and already have a pretty decent expiration date on them.  For Copyrights, I'm a fan of reverting to the original format we had when the Constitution was written.  When your work is created, you get 14 years of copyright protection.  (I'm willing to keep the "no need to file every thing for copyright" rule.)  After that 14 years, you need to apply for a one-time 14 year extension.  Otherwise, your work goes into the Public Domain.  After that 14 year extension, your work goes into the Public Domain.</p><p>My only concession to the extra-long copyrights that we have now would be a system to phase in the new copyright lengths.  Something like items copyrighted just before the new system but under 20 years automatically get a full 28 years while other items slowly get phased into the public domain one decade at a time (starting with the earliest decades).  In the end, though, I think that the 14+14 system would be the best.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing by " Patents should be 70 years... " you mean Copyrights .
Because Patents are completely different entities and already have a pretty decent expiration date on them .
For Copyrights , I 'm a fan of reverting to the original format we had when the Constitution was written .
When your work is created , you get 14 years of copyright protection .
( I 'm willing to keep the " no need to file every thing for copyright " rule .
) After that 14 years , you need to apply for a one-time 14 year extension .
Otherwise , your work goes into the Public Domain .
After that 14 year extension , your work goes into the Public Domain.My only concession to the extra-long copyrights that we have now would be a system to phase in the new copyright lengths .
Something like items copyrighted just before the new system but under 20 years automatically get a full 28 years while other items slowly get phased into the public domain one decade at a time ( starting with the earliest decades ) .
In the end , though , I think that the 14 + 14 system would be the best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing by "Patents should be 70 years..." you mean Copyrights.
Because Patents are completely different entities and already have a pretty decent expiration date on them.
For Copyrights, I'm a fan of reverting to the original format we had when the Constitution was written.
When your work is created, you get 14 years of copyright protection.
(I'm willing to keep the "no need to file every thing for copyright" rule.
)  After that 14 years, you need to apply for a one-time 14 year extension.
Otherwise, your work goes into the Public Domain.
After that 14 year extension, your work goes into the Public Domain.My only concession to the extra-long copyrights that we have now would be a system to phase in the new copyright lengths.
Something like items copyrighted just before the new system but under 20 years automatically get a full 28 years while other items slowly get phased into the public domain one decade at a time (starting with the earliest decades).
In the end, though, I think that the 14+14 system would be the best.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28436399</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1245752760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"VIEW ME AS THE ARTIST I AM!"</p></div><p>And patents are not meant for art, but (simplifying and generalizing) the products of engineering: transistors, stronger-than-known magnets, chemicals, kinetic insights (swinging sideways on a swing ~\_~), etc.</p><p>Yes, just like there's an art of programming there's an art of engineering (and, heck, an art of medicine).  That doesn't mean I think of programmers, engineers or doctors as artists.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" VIEW ME AS THE ARTIST I AM !
" And patents are not meant for art , but ( simplifying and generalizing ) the products of engineering : transistors , stronger-than-known magnets , chemicals , kinetic insights ( swinging sideways on a swing ~ \ _ ~ ) , etc.Yes , just like there 's an art of programming there 's an art of engineering ( and , heck , an art of medicine ) .
That does n't mean I think of programmers , engineers or doctors as artists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"VIEW ME AS THE ARTIST I AM!
"And patents are not meant for art, but (simplifying and generalizing) the products of engineering: transistors, stronger-than-known magnets, chemicals, kinetic insights (swinging sideways on a swing ~\_~), etc.Yes, just like there's an art of programming there's an art of engineering (and, heck, an art of medicine).
That doesn't mean I think of programmers, engineers or doctors as artists.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430537</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28437411</id>
	<title>of course we can</title>
	<author>nimbius</author>
	<datestamp>1245764160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>begin collecting ring metrics so you can request audio ringtone royalties from our customers whom we routinely sell to advertisers.  dont be surprised to see a professional services invoice for this custom solution from your friendly AT&amp;T engineering and development team.</htmltext>
<tokenext>begin collecting ring metrics so you can request audio ringtone royalties from our customers whom we routinely sell to advertisers .
dont be surprised to see a professional services invoice for this custom solution from your friendly AT&amp;T engineering and development team .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>begin collecting ring metrics so you can request audio ringtone royalties from our customers whom we routinely sell to advertisers.
dont be surprised to see a professional services invoice for this custom solution from your friendly AT&amp;T engineering and development team.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28433065</id>
	<title>Re:Someone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245681780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I got an email from ASCAP on this, since I am a member...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Whether you are someone that is just starting out, struggling to get your music heard or an accomplished music creator with an extensive catalogue, nothing we do is more important than advocating for your copyrights and the livelihood that they can provide. No other performing rights organization is advocating across such a comprehensive platform as ASCAP, from legislative efforts in Washington to copyright education in American schools. Additionally, we've brought a dozen legal actions with digital companies whose business models do not include fair payment for the use of your music.</p><p>You may see or read accounts of our legal actions from those arguing to limit your potential income. Not surprisingly, they misstate our efforts on your behalf. When it comes to the wireless carriers and ASCAP, here are the facts:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * ASCAP is in Federal Rate Court with the two largest U.S. wireless carriers. We are seeking to ensure that they pay you a share of the substantial revenue they derive from content using your music. This includes the delivery of full track songs, music videos, television content, ringtones and ringback tones.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * All this content generates revenue for the carriers, whether sold a la carte or on a subscription fee basis or bundled with voice, data and messaging services.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * With respect to ringtones, ASCAP seeks to license the wireless carriers' transmissions of your music. ASCAP is not seeking to charge consumers. In fact, ASCAP has been licensing wireless carriers and ringtone content providers since 2001. Now, the carriers want to avoid that payment.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Wireless carriers make billions of dollars in a variety of ways from ringtones including per tone charges and multiple additional charges surrounding the transmission of ringtones. These billions are more than sufficient to cover a reasonable payment to ASCAP members and to allow the carriers an ample profit margin.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Bottom line, we are striving to license those that make a business of transmitting your music. This holds true for any medium where businesses have been built on the back of your music, whether terrestrial broadcast, satellite, cable, Internet or wireless carriers providing audio and video content. To be completely clear, our approach has always been to license these businesses, not to charge listeners.</p><p>As ASCAP approaches the mid-point of 2009, we are gratified that more people choose membership in ASCAP than any other American performing rights organization. Nearly 100 new members are elected every day bringing our total membership to 360,000. Unlike the other U.S. performing rights organizations, we are a membership organization. As such, we have an obligation to represent all members in the pursuit of fair compensation for the use of their music.</p></div><p>It really skirts around what's actually in the briefing.  Basically ASACP is claiming that because AT&amp;T controls the distribution, use, and "performance" (by triggering the ringtone when a call comes in) that they are responsible for public performance royalties.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I got an email from ASCAP on this , since I am a member...Whether you are someone that is just starting out , struggling to get your music heard or an accomplished music creator with an extensive catalogue , nothing we do is more important than advocating for your copyrights and the livelihood that they can provide .
No other performing rights organization is advocating across such a comprehensive platform as ASCAP , from legislative efforts in Washington to copyright education in American schools .
Additionally , we 've brought a dozen legal actions with digital companies whose business models do not include fair payment for the use of your music.You may see or read accounts of our legal actions from those arguing to limit your potential income .
Not surprisingly , they misstate our efforts on your behalf .
When it comes to the wireless carriers and ASCAP , here are the facts :         * ASCAP is in Federal Rate Court with the two largest U.S. wireless carriers .
We are seeking to ensure that they pay you a share of the substantial revenue they derive from content using your music .
This includes the delivery of full track songs , music videos , television content , ringtones and ringback tones .
        * All this content generates revenue for the carriers , whether sold a la carte or on a subscription fee basis or bundled with voice , data and messaging services .
        * With respect to ringtones , ASCAP seeks to license the wireless carriers ' transmissions of your music .
ASCAP is not seeking to charge consumers .
In fact , ASCAP has been licensing wireless carriers and ringtone content providers since 2001 .
Now , the carriers want to avoid that payment .
        * Wireless carriers make billions of dollars in a variety of ways from ringtones including per tone charges and multiple additional charges surrounding the transmission of ringtones .
These billions are more than sufficient to cover a reasonable payment to ASCAP members and to allow the carriers an ample profit margin .
        * Bottom line , we are striving to license those that make a business of transmitting your music .
This holds true for any medium where businesses have been built on the back of your music , whether terrestrial broadcast , satellite , cable , Internet or wireless carriers providing audio and video content .
To be completely clear , our approach has always been to license these businesses , not to charge listeners.As ASCAP approaches the mid-point of 2009 , we are gratified that more people choose membership in ASCAP than any other American performing rights organization .
Nearly 100 new members are elected every day bringing our total membership to 360,000 .
Unlike the other U.S. performing rights organizations , we are a membership organization .
As such , we have an obligation to represent all members in the pursuit of fair compensation for the use of their music.It really skirts around what 's actually in the briefing .
Basically ASACP is claiming that because AT&amp;T controls the distribution , use , and " performance " ( by triggering the ringtone when a call comes in ) that they are responsible for public performance royalties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got an email from ASCAP on this, since I am a member...Whether you are someone that is just starting out, struggling to get your music heard or an accomplished music creator with an extensive catalogue, nothing we do is more important than advocating for your copyrights and the livelihood that they can provide.
No other performing rights organization is advocating across such a comprehensive platform as ASCAP, from legislative efforts in Washington to copyright education in American schools.
Additionally, we've brought a dozen legal actions with digital companies whose business models do not include fair payment for the use of your music.You may see or read accounts of our legal actions from those arguing to limit your potential income.
Not surprisingly, they misstate our efforts on your behalf.
When it comes to the wireless carriers and ASCAP, here are the facts:
        * ASCAP is in Federal Rate Court with the two largest U.S. wireless carriers.
We are seeking to ensure that they pay you a share of the substantial revenue they derive from content using your music.
This includes the delivery of full track songs, music videos, television content, ringtones and ringback tones.
        * All this content generates revenue for the carriers, whether sold a la carte or on a subscription fee basis or bundled with voice, data and messaging services.
        * With respect to ringtones, ASCAP seeks to license the wireless carriers' transmissions of your music.
ASCAP is not seeking to charge consumers.
In fact, ASCAP has been licensing wireless carriers and ringtone content providers since 2001.
Now, the carriers want to avoid that payment.
        * Wireless carriers make billions of dollars in a variety of ways from ringtones including per tone charges and multiple additional charges surrounding the transmission of ringtones.
These billions are more than sufficient to cover a reasonable payment to ASCAP members and to allow the carriers an ample profit margin.
        * Bottom line, we are striving to license those that make a business of transmitting your music.
This holds true for any medium where businesses have been built on the back of your music, whether terrestrial broadcast, satellite, cable, Internet or wireless carriers providing audio and video content.
To be completely clear, our approach has always been to license these businesses, not to charge listeners.As ASCAP approaches the mid-point of 2009, we are gratified that more people choose membership in ASCAP than any other American performing rights organization.
Nearly 100 new members are elected every day bringing our total membership to 360,000.
Unlike the other U.S. performing rights organizations, we are a membership organization.
As such, we have an obligation to represent all members in the pursuit of fair compensation for the use of their music.It really skirts around what's actually in the briefing.
Basically ASACP is claiming that because AT&amp;T controls the distribution, use, and "performance" (by triggering the ringtone when a call comes in) that they are responsible for public performance royalties.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432165</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>scotsghost</author>
	<datestamp>1245677400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe exception 4 covers the consumer's use of such a ringtone:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>(4) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work otherwise than in a transmission to the public, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without payment of any fee or other compensation for the performance to any of its performers, promoters, or organizers, if --</p><p>(A) there is no direct or indirect admission charge; [...]</p></div><p>Clearly a ringtone playing is "otherwise than in a transmission", and just as clearly the owner of the phone isn't charging admission to the people around him to hear his ringtone.  However, this exception does seem to be aimed towards live performances, and it probably won't protect AT&amp;T as a ringtone provider.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I believe exception 4 covers the consumer 's use of such a ringtone : ( 4 ) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work otherwise than in a transmission to the public , without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without payment of any fee or other compensation for the performance to any of its performers , promoters , or organizers , if -- ( A ) there is no direct or indirect admission charge ; [ ... ] Clearly a ringtone playing is " otherwise than in a transmission " , and just as clearly the owner of the phone is n't charging admission to the people around him to hear his ringtone .
However , this exception does seem to be aimed towards live performances , and it probably wo n't protect AT&amp;T as a ringtone provider .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe exception 4 covers the consumer's use of such a ringtone:(4) performance of a nondramatic literary or musical work otherwise than in a transmission to the public, without any purpose of direct or indirect commercial advantage and without payment of any fee or other compensation for the performance to any of its performers, promoters, or organizers, if --(A) there is no direct or indirect admission charge; [...]Clearly a ringtone playing is "otherwise than in a transmission", and just as clearly the owner of the phone isn't charging admission to the people around him to hear his ringtone.
However, this exception does seem to be aimed towards live performances, and it probably won't protect AT&amp;T as a ringtone provider.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431645</id>
	<title>Re:If I were a plumber...</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1245674940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because they are ARTISTS and need to be CODDLED so they can CREATE more for us.</p><p>I know plenty of artists, painters, sculptors, musicians and writers.</p><p>ALL of them will still create every minute of the day if tommorow Obama passed a law that states there is no such thing as Intellectual Property anymore. Everything can be freely copied and distributed.</p><p>Real artist create not because they want to make money, hell not even because they want to, it's because they NEED TO.   I was told by one of the musician friends of mine that if he does not get  the songs out they will drive them crazy.</p><p>He's just a 2 bit  musician. he made over $52,000 last year in playing gigs and CD sales just at his gigs. he gives away most of his music online.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they are ARTISTS and need to be CODDLED so they can CREATE more for us.I know plenty of artists , painters , sculptors , musicians and writers.ALL of them will still create every minute of the day if tommorow Obama passed a law that states there is no such thing as Intellectual Property anymore .
Everything can be freely copied and distributed.Real artist create not because they want to make money , hell not even because they want to , it 's because they NEED TO .
I was told by one of the musician friends of mine that if he does not get the songs out they will drive them crazy.He 's just a 2 bit musician .
he made over $ 52,000 last year in playing gigs and CD sales just at his gigs .
he gives away most of his music online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they are ARTISTS and need to be CODDLED so they can CREATE more for us.I know plenty of artists, painters, sculptors, musicians and writers.ALL of them will still create every minute of the day if tommorow Obama passed a law that states there is no such thing as Intellectual Property anymore.
Everything can be freely copied and distributed.Real artist create not because they want to make money, hell not even because they want to, it's because they NEED TO.
I was told by one of the musician friends of mine that if he does not get  the songs out they will drive them crazy.He's just a 2 bit  musician.
he made over $52,000 last year in playing gigs and CD sales just at his gigs.
he gives away most of his music online.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430517</id>
	<title>The most dangerous animal is the middle man</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1245671040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As far as I can tell, this is simply a temper tantrum because the middle men are not getting their cut.  The dollar ring tones seems to be the primary method in which catalog tracks can make money, now that no one has to replace worn plastic.  Someone really should have figured out a way to pay off the these people.  It is just like renting music.  The RIAA does not really care if anyone makes any money off it, as long as they get their cut.  And when someone seems to making too much money, the come in to find out why.
<p>
Out fo court settlement.  Throw them a crumb just like one would with any other bugger.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as I can tell , this is simply a temper tantrum because the middle men are not getting their cut .
The dollar ring tones seems to be the primary method in which catalog tracks can make money , now that no one has to replace worn plastic .
Someone really should have figured out a way to pay off the these people .
It is just like renting music .
The RIAA does not really care if anyone makes any money off it , as long as they get their cut .
And when someone seems to making too much money , the come in to find out why .
Out fo court settlement .
Throw them a crumb just like one would with any other bugger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as I can tell, this is simply a temper tantrum because the middle men are not getting their cut.
The dollar ring tones seems to be the primary method in which catalog tracks can make money, now that no one has to replace worn plastic.
Someone really should have figured out a way to pay off the these people.
It is just like renting music.
The RIAA does not really care if anyone makes any money off it, as long as they get their cut.
And when someone seems to making too much money, the come in to find out why.
Out fo court settlement.
Throw them a crumb just like one would with any other bugger.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28435623</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245700680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'm not an IP law student or lawyer, but I don't see an exception that governs this case. I'd imagine that determining when and how to bill when your phone rings in a situation that's sufficiently public would be nightmarish, but it seems like their case passes the laugh test.</i> </p><p>Let's not forget the asshats (in England, I believe) who found that a woman was playing classical music off a radio in her horse barn because it had a calming effect on the horses.</p><p>The dumb dicks asserted that so doing constituted a "public performance".</p><p>OK, Lady -- you've got the horses; we've got the asses."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not an IP law student or lawyer , but I do n't see an exception that governs this case .
I 'd imagine that determining when and how to bill when your phone rings in a situation that 's sufficiently public would be nightmarish , but it seems like their case passes the laugh test .
Let 's not forget the asshats ( in England , I believe ) who found that a woman was playing classical music off a radio in her horse barn because it had a calming effect on the horses.The dumb dicks asserted that so doing constituted a " public performance " .OK , Lady -- you 've got the horses ; we 've got the asses .
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<sentencetext>I'm not an IP law student or lawyer, but I don't see an exception that governs this case.
I'd imagine that determining when and how to bill when your phone rings in a situation that's sufficiently public would be nightmarish, but it seems like their case passes the laugh test.
Let's not forget the asshats (in England, I believe) who found that a woman was playing classical music off a radio in her horse barn because it had a calming effect on the horses.The dumb dicks asserted that so doing constituted a "public performance".OK, Lady -- you've got the horses; we've got the asses.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430537</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>CorporateSuit</author>
	<datestamp>1245671100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>-Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator's death</p></div><p>How about not?  Make them 10 years.  You have 10 years to cash in on your ideas.  You want to screw the whole world over in a fit of selfish "VIEW ME AS THE ARTIST I AM!" tantrum, enjoy your 10 years, but the government should not support you after a decade of your decadence.  This isn't the industrial revolution or some atomic age.  This is the information age where ideas are a dime a million.  Today, unlike 20 years ago, everyone has access they need to sell an invention within a few days.  Exposure is almost instant, and someone will do it better than you did in one year or less, anyway.</p></div>
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<tokenext>-Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator 's deathHow about not ?
Make them 10 years .
You have 10 years to cash in on your ideas .
You want to screw the whole world over in a fit of selfish " VIEW ME AS THE ARTIST I AM !
" tantrum , enjoy your 10 years , but the government should not support you after a decade of your decadence .
This is n't the industrial revolution or some atomic age .
This is the information age where ideas are a dime a million .
Today , unlike 20 years ago , everyone has access they need to sell an invention within a few days .
Exposure is almost instant , and someone will do it better than you did in one year or less , anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>-Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator's deathHow about not?
Make them 10 years.
You have 10 years to cash in on your ideas.
You want to screw the whole world over in a fit of selfish "VIEW ME AS THE ARTIST I AM!
" tantrum, enjoy your 10 years, but the government should not support you after a decade of your decadence.
This isn't the industrial revolution or some atomic age.
This is the information age where ideas are a dime a million.
Today, unlike 20 years ago, everyone has access they need to sell an invention within a few days.
Exposure is almost instant, and someone will do it better than you did in one year or less, anyway.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28433837</id>
	<title>Why does anyone buy ringtones?</title>
	<author>Nekomusume</author>
	<datestamp>1245686280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Though you may have to hunt around for the software to transcode mp3s into the DRM package your maker uses, it's generally fairly easy to make your own ringtones.</p><p>For example, right here on their own website, the DRM packager for sony ericsson phones: <a href="http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/docstools/misc/p\_misc.jsp" title="sonyericsson.com" rel="nofollow">http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/docstools/misc/p\_misc.jsp</a> [sonyericsson.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Though you may have to hunt around for the software to transcode mp3s into the DRM package your maker uses , it 's generally fairly easy to make your own ringtones.For example , right here on their own website , the DRM packager for sony ericsson phones : http : //developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/docstools/misc/p \ _misc.jsp [ sonyericsson.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Though you may have to hunt around for the software to transcode mp3s into the DRM package your maker uses, it's generally fairly easy to make your own ringtones.For example, right here on their own website, the DRM packager for sony ericsson phones: http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/docstools/misc/p\_misc.jsp [sonyericsson.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432021</id>
	<title>Why fight it?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245676740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are plenty of ring tones that are listed as in the public domain or creative commons.  The only way to convince ASCAP to be reasonable is to make them completely irrelevant until they decide to be reasonable.  Support your local bands and their home-made recordings.  Download songs in the public domain or registered under Creative Commons.  It isn't worth it to fight these people because they use your tax dollars to hire more lawyers than you can.  If a local restaurant makes food that you don't like, do you keep going to that restaurant or does it go out of business? (sometimes very quickly!)  There isn't anything that ASCAP, BMI or the RIAA make that we need to survive.  If they refuse to recognize the advertising revenue that they get every time their silly ring tones play on our phones, it's their loss.  This is a war that you can't win, and don't really need to fight.  The artists who create these things don't make anything anyway.  All of the money goes to the distributors and resalers. If they want a fight, I say let's completely ignore them.  How long will it take for them to get the message?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are plenty of ring tones that are listed as in the public domain or creative commons .
The only way to convince ASCAP to be reasonable is to make them completely irrelevant until they decide to be reasonable .
Support your local bands and their home-made recordings .
Download songs in the public domain or registered under Creative Commons .
It is n't worth it to fight these people because they use your tax dollars to hire more lawyers than you can .
If a local restaurant makes food that you do n't like , do you keep going to that restaurant or does it go out of business ?
( sometimes very quickly !
) There is n't anything that ASCAP , BMI or the RIAA make that we need to survive .
If they refuse to recognize the advertising revenue that they get every time their silly ring tones play on our phones , it 's their loss .
This is a war that you ca n't win , and do n't really need to fight .
The artists who create these things do n't make anything anyway .
All of the money goes to the distributors and resalers .
If they want a fight , I say let 's completely ignore them .
How long will it take for them to get the message ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are plenty of ring tones that are listed as in the public domain or creative commons.
The only way to convince ASCAP to be reasonable is to make them completely irrelevant until they decide to be reasonable.
Support your local bands and their home-made recordings.
Download songs in the public domain or registered under Creative Commons.
It isn't worth it to fight these people because they use your tax dollars to hire more lawyers than you can.
If a local restaurant makes food that you don't like, do you keep going to that restaurant or does it go out of business?
(sometimes very quickly!
)  There isn't anything that ASCAP, BMI or the RIAA make that we need to survive.
If they refuse to recognize the advertising revenue that they get every time their silly ring tones play on our phones, it's their loss.
This is a war that you can't win, and don't really need to fight.
The artists who create these things don't make anything anyway.
All of the money goes to the distributors and resalers.
If they want a fight, I say let's completely ignore them.
How long will it take for them to get the message?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28435633</id>
	<title>Re:Hold on, ASCAP != RIAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245700740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find your informative post out of place. Please do not visit slashdot again. We prefer our torches and pitchforks, thank you. Reasonable discourse on copyright is that way ---&gt;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find your informative post out of place .
Please do not visit slashdot again .
We prefer our torches and pitchforks , thank you .
Reasonable discourse on copyright is that way --- &gt;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find your informative post out of place.
Please do not visit slashdot again.
We prefer our torches and pitchforks, thank you.
Reasonable discourse on copyright is that way ---&gt;</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28438003</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>phiwum</author>
	<datestamp>1245767820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're discussing two completely different issues: patents and copyrights.</p><p>In particular, did you really mean to advocate a radical <b>lengthening</b> of patent terms?  You wrote:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator's death</p></div><p>As it stands, most patents are only valid for 20 years (some have different terms in the US, depending on subject matter, I think).</p></div>
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<tokenext>You 're discussing two completely different issues : patents and copyrights.In particular , did you really mean to advocate a radical lengthening of patent terms ?
You wrote : Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator 's deathAs it stands , most patents are only valid for 20 years ( some have different terms in the US , depending on subject matter , I think ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're discussing two completely different issues: patents and copyrights.In particular, did you really mean to advocate a radical lengthening of patent terms?
You wrote:Patents should be 70 years or 30 years after the creator's deathAs it stands, most patents are only valid for 20 years (some have different terms in the US, depending on subject matter, I think).
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430611</id>
	<title>Re:Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>jd</author>
	<datestamp>1245671340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At that length, "fair use" probably applies. But as it is a private phone, it's not a public performance - the other listeners are eavesdropping and don't count.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At that length , " fair use " probably applies .
But as it is a private phone , it 's not a public performance - the other listeners are eavesdropping and do n't count .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At that length, "fair use" probably applies.
But as it is a private phone, it's not a public performance - the other listeners are eavesdropping and don't count.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431573</id>
	<title>Re:One cannot help but wonder . . .</title>
	<author>Lesrahpem</author>
	<datestamp>1245674580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>. . . why these people have not been struck by a meteor. If there were a God in this universe, there would be a meteor.</p></div><p>Ah, so this is the reason for the <a href="http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/06/22/1625254/US-Military-Blocks-Data-On-Incoming-Meteors" title="slashdot.org">coverup we discussed earlier today</a> [slashdot.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
why these people have not been struck by a meteor .
If there were a God in this universe , there would be a meteor.Ah , so this is the reason for the coverup we discussed earlier today [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .
why these people have not been struck by a meteor.
If there were a God in this universe, there would be a meteor.Ah, so this is the reason for the coverup we discussed earlier today [slashdot.org]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432893</id>
	<title>ASCAP is not RIAA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245680880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This topic has really taken me off-guard. For years I've followed Slashdot stories and I have been fairly strongly against the RIAA because they represent the interests of corporations, not artists. This is not the case with ASCAP. ASCAP is literally the only advocate for us composers and songwriters. Hollywood made sure in the early days that composers were not adequately compensated, and were basically studio in-house serfs. Unfortunately, now that composers work freelance and not for the studios, the pay scale has stayed the same. The only people negotiating for composers are ASCAP and BMI. Granted, these are not perfect organizations, but they're all we have to insure that the composer of that jingle which made the corporation $20 million is getting paid his/her share. And it is a tiny share, I assure you. For example, it is standard practice for the studios to own the copyright of music composed for their films or tv shows.</p><p>Frankly, I'm shocked at the responses on here. I've always thought of Slashdot as a community of at least reasonably educated and thoughtful, if humorous people. But here I see dozens of people blasting ASCAP as if it were the RIAA or some other entity representing the fat cats. ASCAP represents the composers/songwriters.</p><p>Now, should we be paid every time the phone rings? No. Should we be paid if someone buys a ringtone? Hell yes. Why should anyone be allowed to make money off of our compositions without compensating us?</p><p>And for any programmers out there who are blasting the idea of compensation to ASCAP for media created for devices which have an ever-increasing importance in people's lives, I take that as direct permission for me to bittorrent your software that you've been working on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This topic has really taken me off-guard .
For years I 've followed Slashdot stories and I have been fairly strongly against the RIAA because they represent the interests of corporations , not artists .
This is not the case with ASCAP .
ASCAP is literally the only advocate for us composers and songwriters .
Hollywood made sure in the early days that composers were not adequately compensated , and were basically studio in-house serfs .
Unfortunately , now that composers work freelance and not for the studios , the pay scale has stayed the same .
The only people negotiating for composers are ASCAP and BMI .
Granted , these are not perfect organizations , but they 're all we have to insure that the composer of that jingle which made the corporation $ 20 million is getting paid his/her share .
And it is a tiny share , I assure you .
For example , it is standard practice for the studios to own the copyright of music composed for their films or tv shows.Frankly , I 'm shocked at the responses on here .
I 've always thought of Slashdot as a community of at least reasonably educated and thoughtful , if humorous people .
But here I see dozens of people blasting ASCAP as if it were the RIAA or some other entity representing the fat cats .
ASCAP represents the composers/songwriters.Now , should we be paid every time the phone rings ?
No. Should we be paid if someone buys a ringtone ?
Hell yes .
Why should anyone be allowed to make money off of our compositions without compensating us ? And for any programmers out there who are blasting the idea of compensation to ASCAP for media created for devices which have an ever-increasing importance in people 's lives , I take that as direct permission for me to bittorrent your software that you 've been working on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This topic has really taken me off-guard.
For years I've followed Slashdot stories and I have been fairly strongly against the RIAA because they represent the interests of corporations, not artists.
This is not the case with ASCAP.
ASCAP is literally the only advocate for us composers and songwriters.
Hollywood made sure in the early days that composers were not adequately compensated, and were basically studio in-house serfs.
Unfortunately, now that composers work freelance and not for the studios, the pay scale has stayed the same.
The only people negotiating for composers are ASCAP and BMI.
Granted, these are not perfect organizations, but they're all we have to insure that the composer of that jingle which made the corporation $20 million is getting paid his/her share.
And it is a tiny share, I assure you.
For example, it is standard practice for the studios to own the copyright of music composed for their films or tv shows.Frankly, I'm shocked at the responses on here.
I've always thought of Slashdot as a community of at least reasonably educated and thoughtful, if humorous people.
But here I see dozens of people blasting ASCAP as if it were the RIAA or some other entity representing the fat cats.
ASCAP represents the composers/songwriters.Now, should we be paid every time the phone rings?
No. Should we be paid if someone buys a ringtone?
Hell yes.
Why should anyone be allowed to make money off of our compositions without compensating us?And for any programmers out there who are blasting the idea of compensation to ASCAP for media created for devices which have an ever-increasing importance in people's lives, I take that as direct permission for me to bittorrent your software that you've been working on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431161</id>
	<title>Re:Copyright law...</title>
	<author>Fulcrum of Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1245673320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So if you make a billion dollar idea and patent it, I can just kill you and the patent dissolves into the ether? No potential for abuse there. Anyway, are you sure you don't mean copyrights?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So if you make a billion dollar idea and patent it , I can just kill you and the patent dissolves into the ether ?
No potential for abuse there .
Anyway , are you sure you do n't mean copyrights ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if you make a billion dollar idea and patent it, I can just kill you and the patent dissolves into the ether?
No potential for abuse there.
Anyway, are you sure you don't mean copyrights?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28449953</id>
	<title>ASCAP = ASSHAT</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1245874980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are just an ASSHAT shill. Their actions are clearly completely retarded, and anyone who doesn't represent them will know that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are just an ASSHAT shill .
Their actions are clearly completely retarded , and anyone who does n't represent them will know that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are just an ASSHAT shill.
Their actions are clearly completely retarded, and anyone who doesn't represent them will know that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28432745</id>
	<title>Re:One cannot help but wonder . . .</title>
	<author>Samah</author>
	<datestamp>1245680160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>. . . why these people have not been struck by a meteor. If there were a God in this universe, there would be a meteor.</p></div><p>Unfortunately, the concept of meteors potentially striking the Earth has been joint-copyrighted by Touchstone and Paramount on <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120591/" title="imdb.com">previous</a> [imdb.com] <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120647/" title="imdb.com">occasions</a> [imdb.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
why these people have not been struck by a meteor .
If there were a God in this universe , there would be a meteor.Unfortunately , the concept of meteors potentially striking the Earth has been joint-copyrighted by Touchstone and Paramount on previous [ imdb.com ] occasions [ imdb.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .
why these people have not been struck by a meteor.
If there were a God in this universe, there would be a meteor.Unfortunately, the concept of meteors potentially striking the Earth has been joint-copyrighted by Touchstone and Paramount on previous [imdb.com] occasions [imdb.com].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430489</id>
	<title>They're Absolutely Right!</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1245670980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Initially I thought they were on crack. Then I realized what would happen if they actually won. Consider the implications for a minute or two and then see if you don't agree...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Initially I thought they were on crack .
Then I realized what would happen if they actually won .
Consider the implications for a minute or two and then see if you do n't agree.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Initially I thought they were on crack.
Then I realized what would happen if they actually won.
Consider the implications for a minute or two and then see if you don't agree...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430541</id>
	<title>Re: Constitutional Foundation...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245671160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries."</p><p>I'm pretty certain that the Framers didn't intend for your ringtone to be covered by copyright -- seeing as there's no way it can be considered to promote the Progress of either Science or useful Arts...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts , by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries .
" I 'm pretty certain that the Framers did n't intend for your ringtone to be covered by copyright -- seeing as there 's no way it can be considered to promote the Progress of either Science or useful Arts.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
"I'm pretty certain that the Framers didn't intend for your ringtone to be covered by copyright -- seeing as there's no way it can be considered to promote the Progress of either Science or useful Arts...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430135</id>
	<title>Someone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245669720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...needs a cup of tea and a lie down</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...needs a cup of tea and a lie down</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...needs a cup of tea and a lie down</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28434257</id>
	<title>So Don't</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245688560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously.  Really annoyed by such "ring tones" anyway.  If it's not your music and you didn't license it from the owner for such a purpose, knock it off.</p><p>I agree, copyright is broken (or badly bent, at least).  But there is a ton of free (as in beer) music you can use to make annoying ringtones.  And there are plenty of free tools you can use to make your own music.</p><p>If your idea of "individuality" is to use someone else's music to indicate that someone is trying to communicate with you, you're a sad little person anyway.  So quit it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously .
Really annoyed by such " ring tones " anyway .
If it 's not your music and you did n't license it from the owner for such a purpose , knock it off.I agree , copyright is broken ( or badly bent , at least ) .
But there is a ton of free ( as in beer ) music you can use to make annoying ringtones .
And there are plenty of free tools you can use to make your own music.If your idea of " individuality " is to use someone else 's music to indicate that someone is trying to communicate with you , you 're a sad little person anyway .
So quit it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously.
Really annoyed by such "ring tones" anyway.
If it's not your music and you didn't license it from the owner for such a purpose, knock it off.I agree, copyright is broken (or badly bent, at least).
But there is a ton of free (as in beer) music you can use to make annoying ringtones.
And there are plenty of free tools you can use to make your own music.If your idea of "individuality" is to use someone else's music to indicate that someone is trying to communicate with you, you're a sad little person anyway.
So quit it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431271</id>
	<title>Re:What about radios, etc?</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1245673680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually Yes you do.</p><p>ASCAP and BMI both firmly believe that short of listening on headphones or at a low volume in a soundproof room you OWE THEM money...</p><p>Anyone that has ever dealt with those terrorists knows how big of scumbags they really are.</p><p>If they get a snif of you, they can easily outspend you in court.  They effectively are the BSA of the music world. they only exist to extort money out of people.</p><p>90\% of the mobile DJ services in the USA are operating "ILLEGALLY" as far as ascap and bmi are concerned.  You have to pay a performance fee for every use of every track, or buy a blanket license (which is what they always push) for the far more affordable $10,000 a year price for a fricking small time local party DJ.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually Yes you do.ASCAP and BMI both firmly believe that short of listening on headphones or at a low volume in a soundproof room you OWE THEM money...Anyone that has ever dealt with those terrorists knows how big of scumbags they really are.If they get a snif of you , they can easily outspend you in court .
They effectively are the BSA of the music world .
they only exist to extort money out of people.90 \ % of the mobile DJ services in the USA are operating " ILLEGALLY " as far as ascap and bmi are concerned .
You have to pay a performance fee for every use of every track , or buy a blanket license ( which is what they always push ) for the far more affordable $ 10,000 a year price for a fricking small time local party DJ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually Yes you do.ASCAP and BMI both firmly believe that short of listening on headphones or at a low volume in a soundproof room you OWE THEM money...Anyone that has ever dealt with those terrorists knows how big of scumbags they really are.If they get a snif of you, they can easily outspend you in court.
They effectively are the BSA of the music world.
they only exist to extort money out of people.90\% of the mobile DJ services in the USA are operating "ILLEGALLY" as far as ascap and bmi are concerned.
You have to pay a performance fee for every use of every track, or buy a blanket license (which is what they always push) for the far more affordable $10,000 a year price for a fricking small time local party DJ.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28431627</id>
	<title>Re:What about radios, etc?</title>
	<author>Kamineko</author>
	<datestamp>1245674880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the UK, most record labels have an arrangement with the organisation PRS, granting it power to legally pursue people who 'perform' the licensed music in a public setting. (This power comes from UK copyright law, not from some PRS self-derived magic mojo.) For businesses, this allows them to pay a single orgnaisation a single fee for a great deal of licensed content (a good thing if one considers the current state of copyright and performance licensing to be apt). For everyone else, they have kind of become a bogeyman who goes after anybody that performs 'any song ever', as most 'modern' music would be associated with PRS.

Of course, they don't have any powers to pursue people who perform songs that aren't licensed to PRS. For example, if you wrote a song yourself. There's no reason why they would have any sort of power related to that song; they have no relationship with you. Same goes for most of the songs you see on Newgrounds, as another example. As far as I know, most of the folks on Newgrounds release their content under CC while retain full rights for themselves.*

A lot of people don't know this though.

PRS website:
<a href="http://www.prsformusic.com/Pages/default.aspx" title="prsformusic.com">http://www.prsformusic.com/Pages/default.aspx</a> [prsformusic.com]

* Although, God knows what Newgrounds attempts to appropriate in their sign-up terms.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the UK , most record labels have an arrangement with the organisation PRS , granting it power to legally pursue people who 'perform ' the licensed music in a public setting .
( This power comes from UK copyright law , not from some PRS self-derived magic mojo .
) For businesses , this allows them to pay a single orgnaisation a single fee for a great deal of licensed content ( a good thing if one considers the current state of copyright and performance licensing to be apt ) .
For everyone else , they have kind of become a bogeyman who goes after anybody that performs 'any song ever ' , as most 'modern ' music would be associated with PRS .
Of course , they do n't have any powers to pursue people who perform songs that are n't licensed to PRS .
For example , if you wrote a song yourself .
There 's no reason why they would have any sort of power related to that song ; they have no relationship with you .
Same goes for most of the songs you see on Newgrounds , as another example .
As far as I know , most of the folks on Newgrounds release their content under CC while retain full rights for themselves .
* A lot of people do n't know this though .
PRS website : http : //www.prsformusic.com/Pages/default.aspx [ prsformusic.com ] * Although , God knows what Newgrounds attempts to appropriate in their sign-up terms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the UK, most record labels have an arrangement with the organisation PRS, granting it power to legally pursue people who 'perform' the licensed music in a public setting.
(This power comes from UK copyright law, not from some PRS self-derived magic mojo.
) For businesses, this allows them to pay a single orgnaisation a single fee for a great deal of licensed content (a good thing if one considers the current state of copyright and performance licensing to be apt).
For everyone else, they have kind of become a bogeyman who goes after anybody that performs 'any song ever', as most 'modern' music would be associated with PRS.
Of course, they don't have any powers to pursue people who perform songs that aren't licensed to PRS.
For example, if you wrote a song yourself.
There's no reason why they would have any sort of power related to that song; they have no relationship with you.
Same goes for most of the songs you see on Newgrounds, as another example.
As far as I know, most of the folks on Newgrounds release their content under CC while retain full rights for themselves.
*

A lot of people don't know this though.
PRS website:
http://www.prsformusic.com/Pages/default.aspx [prsformusic.com]

* Although, God knows what Newgrounds attempts to appropriate in their sign-up terms.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430225</id>
	<title>Good news</title>
	<author>jimshatt</author>
	<datestamp>1245670080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is good news right? Every time some greedy company or organization does something stupid like this in public, they take a (small) PR hit. At least, hopefully. They get away with it because it's not widely known yet, but I have the feeling people are starting to know more and more about this kind of thing going on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is good news right ?
Every time some greedy company or organization does something stupid like this in public , they take a ( small ) PR hit .
At least , hopefully .
They get away with it because it 's not widely known yet , but I have the feeling people are starting to know more and more about this kind of thing going on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is good news right?
Every time some greedy company or organization does something stupid like this in public, they take a (small) PR hit.
At least, hopefully.
They get away with it because it's not widely known yet, but I have the feeling people are starting to know more and more about this kind of thing going on.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28435831</id>
	<title>Re:No Ringtones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245789060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Not saying they are correct, just that I hate being forced to listen to someone's obnoxious music every time their phone rings.</i> </p><p>Damned right. I hate being with people who won't RTFM and find out how to turn the volume down. The ring is at the default max loudness.</p><p>Even worse is when they never put the fucking thing in the same pocket. Every time it rings, they have to rapidly fondle themselves all over to find out where it is. Since it's usually in a pocket loaded with other shit, I get to listen to the goddamned ring for about five cycles.</p><p>Assholes!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not saying they are correct , just that I hate being forced to listen to someone 's obnoxious music every time their phone rings .
Damned right .
I hate being with people who wo n't RTFM and find out how to turn the volume down .
The ring is at the default max loudness.Even worse is when they never put the fucking thing in the same pocket .
Every time it rings , they have to rapidly fondle themselves all over to find out where it is .
Since it 's usually in a pocket loaded with other shit , I get to listen to the goddamned ring for about five cycles.Assholes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not saying they are correct, just that I hate being forced to listen to someone's obnoxious music every time their phone rings.
Damned right.
I hate being with people who won't RTFM and find out how to turn the volume down.
The ring is at the default max loudness.Even worse is when they never put the fucking thing in the same pocket.
Every time it rings, they have to rapidly fondle themselves all over to find out where it is.
Since it's usually in a pocket loaded with other shit, I get to listen to the goddamned ring for about five cycles.Assholes!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28437019</id>
	<title>Why thank you!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245760380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have made the patent open for ME too, so I get it for the same price!</p><p>Better still, I'll shop you in (reward?) and that's one less competitor!</p><p>Woohoo!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have made the patent open for ME too , so I get it for the same price ! Better still , I 'll shop you in ( reward ?
) and that 's one less competitor ! Woohoo !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have made the patent open for ME too, so I get it for the same price!Better still, I'll shop you in (reward?
) and that's one less competitor!Woohoo!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28435287</id>
	<title>I agree with you here</title>
	<author>tanveer1979</author>
	<datestamp>1245697380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Suppose you play music in your car, and are in a traffic jam with windows rolled down.Do you have to pay royalty for public performance?<br>Ringing phone is the same thing. I don't think its going to stand up in court. Just because somebody can hear what you play does not mean its public performance.<br>However if you booked an auditorium, hooked your phone to the mic and let it ring, it would be public performance.<br>What next, if you play music in your house, and somebody passing by the window can hear it, you need to pay royalty?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Suppose you play music in your car , and are in a traffic jam with windows rolled down.Do you have to pay royalty for public performance ? Ringing phone is the same thing .
I do n't think its going to stand up in court .
Just because somebody can hear what you play does not mean its public performance.However if you booked an auditorium , hooked your phone to the mic and let it ring , it would be public performance.What next , if you play music in your house , and somebody passing by the window can hear it , you need to pay royalty ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Suppose you play music in your car, and are in a traffic jam with windows rolled down.Do you have to pay royalty for public performance?Ringing phone is the same thing.
I don't think its going to stand up in court.
Just because somebody can hear what you play does not mean its public performance.However if you booked an auditorium, hooked your phone to the mic and let it ring, it would be public performance.What next, if you play music in your house, and somebody passing by the window can hear it, you need to pay royalty?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430911</id>
	<title>And I want to be paid for ....</title>
	<author>3seas</author>
	<datestamp>1245672480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... every time a trunk rattling boom boom drives past my place ine the middle of the night waking me up....<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...for every time I am interrupted with some damn silly ringtone in a theater...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...for every time I hear a song that annoys me.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... every time a trunk rattling boom boom drives past my place ine the middle of the night waking me up.... ...for every time I am interrupted with some damn silly ringtone in a theater... ...for every time I hear a song that annoys me.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... every time a trunk rattling boom boom drives past my place ine the middle of the night waking me up.... ...for every time I am interrupted with some damn silly ringtone in a theater... ...for every time I hear a song that annoys me.....</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28436629</id>
	<title>Sweet relief</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245755760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am heartened to see<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ beginning to take a balanced view by covering the positive aspects of the RIAA's activities as well.</p><p>This action by RIAA will finally offer relief those of us who profoundly hate each and every one of your,yes I am talking to you, your musical ringtones, who stare in wonder as you appear to not be humiliated  when a live round of The Macarena detonates in your purse and you calmly dig for the ordinance while continuing to talk, in the apparent belief that you have somehow not brutally savaged any and all civilization which might have bloomed from our conversation.</p><p>To the RIAA I say: Give 'em hell you  parasitic bastards, you finally struck a noble vein, now drink the Blood of Righteousness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am heartened to see ./ beginning to take a balanced view by covering the positive aspects of the RIAA 's activities as well.This action by RIAA will finally offer relief those of us who profoundly hate each and every one of your,yes I am talking to you , your musical ringtones , who stare in wonder as you appear to not be humiliated when a live round of The Macarena detonates in your purse and you calmly dig for the ordinance while continuing to talk , in the apparent belief that you have somehow not brutally savaged any and all civilization which might have bloomed from our conversation.To the RIAA I say : Give 'em hell you parasitic bastards , you finally struck a noble vein , now drink the Blood of Righteousness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am heartened to see ./ beginning to take a balanced view by covering the positive aspects of the RIAA's activities as well.This action by RIAA will finally offer relief those of us who profoundly hate each and every one of your,yes I am talking to you, your musical ringtones, who stare in wonder as you appear to not be humiliated  when a live round of The Macarena detonates in your purse and you calmly dig for the ordinance while continuing to talk, in the apparent belief that you have somehow not brutally savaged any and all civilization which might have bloomed from our conversation.To the RIAA I say: Give 'em hell you  parasitic bastards, you finally struck a noble vein, now drink the Blood of Righteousness.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430661</id>
	<title>Anyone Interested?</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1245671520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about I write and record a song with a chorus of "Fuck you ASCAP, lamest member of the mafIAA". Then I'll cut out the chorus, make it available as a ringtone. People can download it, others can hear it and notify ASCAP. If they choose to pursue, we can waste a great deal of their time and money before I decide it's public domain. If they choose not to, they'll be pursuing selectively, disproving their standing as supporting any song writers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about I write and record a song with a chorus of " Fuck you ASCAP , lamest member of the mafIAA " .
Then I 'll cut out the chorus , make it available as a ringtone .
People can download it , others can hear it and notify ASCAP .
If they choose to pursue , we can waste a great deal of their time and money before I decide it 's public domain .
If they choose not to , they 'll be pursuing selectively , disproving their standing as supporting any song writers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about I write and record a song with a chorus of "Fuck you ASCAP, lamest member of the mafIAA".
Then I'll cut out the chorus, make it available as a ringtone.
People can download it, others can hear it and notify ASCAP.
If they choose to pursue, we can waste a great deal of their time and money before I decide it's public domain.
If they choose not to, they'll be pursuing selectively, disproving their standing as supporting any song writers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430337</id>
	<title>What a crazy world</title>
	<author>cyber-vandal</author>
	<datestamp>1245670380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously who comes up with this idiotic nonsense.  All that will happen is that consumers will spend less money on their music.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously who comes up with this idiotic nonsense .
All that will happen is that consumers will spend less money on their music .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously who comes up with this idiotic nonsense.
All that will happen is that consumers will spend less money on their music.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_22_225207.28430437</id>
	<title>Begs an interesting question.</title>
	<author>Valdrax</author>
	<datestamp>1245670740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even if ASCAP doesn't win, the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones.</p></div><p>Well, I think the case begs an interesting question:  If this isn't a <a href="http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/scope.html#performance" title="bitlaw.com">public performance</a> [bitlaw.com], then why not?  <a href="http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#110" title="copyright.gov">Which exception</a> [copyright.gov] governs it?</p><p>I'm not an IP law student or lawyer, but I don't see an exception that governs this case.  I'd imagine that determining when and how to bill when your phone rings in a situation that's sufficiently public would be nightmarish, but it seems like their case passes the laugh test.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Even if ASCAP does n't win , the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones.Well , I think the case begs an interesting question : If this is n't a public performance [ bitlaw.com ] , then why not ?
Which exception [ copyright.gov ] governs it ? I 'm not an IP law student or lawyer , but I do n't see an exception that governs this case .
I 'd imagine that determining when and how to bill when your phone rings in a situation that 's sufficiently public would be nightmarish , but it seems like their case passes the laugh test .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if ASCAP doesn't win, the RIAA will sue for your phone to see if you have any illegal downloaded ring tones.Well, I think the case begs an interesting question:  If this isn't a public performance [bitlaw.com], then why not?
Which exception [copyright.gov] governs it?I'm not an IP law student or lawyer, but I don't see an exception that governs this case.
I'd imagine that determining when and how to bill when your phone rings in a situation that's sufficiently public would be nightmarish, but it seems like their case passes the laugh test.
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