<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_19_047252</id>
	<title>German Parliament Enacts Internet Censorship Law</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1245433560000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>TheTinyToon writes that by a vote of 389 to 128, <i>"the <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/16/1657255/A-Black-Day-For-Internet-Freedom-In-Germany">proposed censorship law to block child porn</a> <a href="http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,4406608,00.html">has been passed by the German government</a>. Not surprisingly, a member of the conservative party (CDU) announced plans to also check if the law could be extended to include so-called 'killer games' like Counterstrike, only two hours after the law was passed. <a href="http://netzpolitik.org/2009/bundestag-beschliesst-netzzensur/">More [in German] on netzpolitik.org</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>TheTinyToon writes that by a vote of 389 to 128 , " the proposed censorship law to block child porn has been passed by the German government .
Not surprisingly , a member of the conservative party ( CDU ) announced plans to also check if the law could be extended to include so-called 'killer games ' like Counterstrike , only two hours after the law was passed .
More [ in German ] on netzpolitik.org .
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<sentencetext>TheTinyToon writes that by a vote of 389 to 128, "the proposed censorship law to block child porn has been passed by the German government.
Not surprisingly, a member of the conservative party (CDU) announced plans to also check if the law could be extended to include so-called 'killer games' like Counterstrike, only two hours after the law was passed.
More [in German] on netzpolitik.org.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385901</id>
	<title>Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245352140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the movie Euro Trip there was a scene where the guy goes to meet his German girfriend and a boy does the Hitler salute with the moustache.<br>It raised an uproar, especially in Germany and many German politicians swore up and down that they had excercised the Ghost of Hitler.<br>Have they?<br>If i remember the massive book "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", Nazi movies in theaters were do devoid of audience that Wilhelm Frick, the Minister of the Interior, issued a stern warning against "treasonable behavior on the part of cinema audiences."<br>First you start by censoring what's available. Then you start by slowly ratcheting up the local propaganda, and then you outlaw any and all unapproved broadcasts and networks.<br>German politicians are treading the thinnest line possible between Liberty and Hitler.<br>
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<tokenext>In the movie Euro Trip there was a scene where the guy goes to meet his German girfriend and a boy does the Hitler salute with the moustache.It raised an uproar , especially in Germany and many German politicians swore up and down that they had excercised the Ghost of Hitler.Have they ? If i remember the massive book " The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich " , Nazi movies in theaters were do devoid of audience that Wilhelm Frick , the Minister of the Interior , issued a stern warning against " treasonable behavior on the part of cinema audiences .
" First you start by censoring what 's available .
Then you start by slowly ratcheting up the local propaganda , and then you outlaw any and all unapproved broadcasts and networks.German politicians are treading the thinnest line possible between Liberty and Hitler .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the movie Euro Trip there was a scene where the guy goes to meet his German girfriend and a boy does the Hitler salute with the moustache.It raised an uproar, especially in Germany and many German politicians swore up and down that they had excercised the Ghost of Hitler.Have they?If i remember the massive book "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich", Nazi movies in theaters were do devoid of audience that Wilhelm Frick, the Minister of the Interior, issued a stern warning against "treasonable behavior on the part of cinema audiences.
"First you start by censoring what's available.
Then you start by slowly ratcheting up the local propaganda, and then you outlaw any and all unapproved broadcasts and networks.German politicians are treading the thinnest line possible between Liberty and Hitler.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386487</id>
	<title>Re:But what next?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245443820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was never about the children in the first place.</p><p>It's either about establishing a censorship infrastructure - which will definitely be expanded to include other content in the future (every other week another association or politician wants to add things) - or a mere election campaign sacrifice.</p><p>Considering the impressive resistence to facts and reality of our politicians, it's hard to pick one of the two.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was never about the children in the first place.It 's either about establishing a censorship infrastructure - which will definitely be expanded to include other content in the future ( every other week another association or politician wants to add things ) - or a mere election campaign sacrifice.Considering the impressive resistence to facts and reality of our politicians , it 's hard to pick one of the two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was never about the children in the first place.It's either about establishing a censorship infrastructure - which will definitely be expanded to include other content in the future (every other week another association or politician wants to add things) - or a mere election campaign sacrifice.Considering the impressive resistence to facts and reality of our politicians, it's hard to pick one of the two.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386847</id>
	<title>It's not a law yet...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245405300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually the president has to sign it before it becomes official (which he refused to do in a prior case). Plus the german Supreme Court is already on it too. They sacked quite a few earlier atempts of this government to build a police state (of course to protect us from terrorism and whatnot).

It's kind of sad to see these laws stopped only at the last chance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually the president has to sign it before it becomes official ( which he refused to do in a prior case ) .
Plus the german Supreme Court is already on it too .
They sacked quite a few earlier atempts of this government to build a police state ( of course to protect us from terrorism and whatnot ) .
It 's kind of sad to see these laws stopped only at the last chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually the president has to sign it before it becomes official (which he refused to do in a prior case).
Plus the german Supreme Court is already on it too.
They sacked quite a few earlier atempts of this government to build a police state (of course to protect us from terrorism and whatnot).
It's kind of sad to see these laws stopped only at the last chance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386791</id>
	<title>Re:Don't they get attacked for those lies?</title>
	<author>pinky99</author>
	<datestamp>1245404700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>because the first politician to state that is blamed as being PRO-child-porn, "most likely he is also having that at home"!</htmltext>
<tokenext>because the first politician to state that is blamed as being PRO-child-porn , " most likely he is also having that at home " !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>because the first politician to state that is blamed as being PRO-child-porn, "most likely he is also having that at home"!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385837</id>
	<title>Step up and do the movies!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245351240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Living in Australia I have the joy of having games censored for the localised version. Violent movies are still widely available in comparison, why is it that the games are always targeted and not the movies. There has been plenty of films i've watched over the years I wouldn't suggest to under 18's but for them it is suprisingly easy to hire said movies from the local video shop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Living in Australia I have the joy of having games censored for the localised version .
Violent movies are still widely available in comparison , why is it that the games are always targeted and not the movies .
There has been plenty of films i 've watched over the years I would n't suggest to under 18 's but for them it is suprisingly easy to hire said movies from the local video shop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Living in Australia I have the joy of having games censored for the localised version.
Violent movies are still widely available in comparison, why is it that the games are always targeted and not the movies.
There has been plenty of films i've watched over the years I wouldn't suggest to under 18's but for them it is suprisingly easy to hire said movies from the local video shop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386389</id>
	<title>hahaha</title>
	<author>noric</author>
	<datestamp>1245442920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was trying to think of an analogy for dns-based censorship that would resonate with politicians. Got it =D<br> <br>

It's like paying millions of dollars to keep prostitutes out of the phone book.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was trying to think of an analogy for dns-based censorship that would resonate with politicians .
Got it = D It 's like paying millions of dollars to keep prostitutes out of the phone book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was trying to think of an analogy for dns-based censorship that would resonate with politicians.
Got it =D 

It's like paying millions of dollars to keep prostitutes out of the phone book.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385873</id>
	<title>Seig heil!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245351780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vee must schtop zee pornografers zat wud defile our glorious heestory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vee must schtop zee pornografers zat wud defile our glorious heestory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vee must schtop zee pornografers zat wud defile our glorious heestory.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386015</id>
	<title>But what next?</title>
	<author>Sumbius</author>
	<datestamp>1245353340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It indeed may be able to reduce the amount of child porn watched in Germany. The problem is that once something has been censored or blocked, if someone wants to get their hands on that censored material, they will find a way. Child porn is not very "mainstream" and I'm pretty sure that quite many of those who are watching it are able to find a new way of watching it. Be it different sites (like you all know, the internet has a habit of rerouting itself once a part of it has been cut. I don't think that this will happen though), proxies or real children (not a likely outcome though).
The thing I'm worried about is the fact that once you started censoring something, the threshold to censor something else falls. Once you have started, you may easily start censoring some other things, just like those killer games that were mentioned. First the porn, then the games and what next?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It indeed may be able to reduce the amount of child porn watched in Germany .
The problem is that once something has been censored or blocked , if someone wants to get their hands on that censored material , they will find a way .
Child porn is not very " mainstream " and I 'm pretty sure that quite many of those who are watching it are able to find a new way of watching it .
Be it different sites ( like you all know , the internet has a habit of rerouting itself once a part of it has been cut .
I do n't think that this will happen though ) , proxies or real children ( not a likely outcome though ) .
The thing I 'm worried about is the fact that once you started censoring something , the threshold to censor something else falls .
Once you have started , you may easily start censoring some other things , just like those killer games that were mentioned .
First the porn , then the games and what next ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It indeed may be able to reduce the amount of child porn watched in Germany.
The problem is that once something has been censored or blocked, if someone wants to get their hands on that censored material, they will find a way.
Child porn is not very "mainstream" and I'm pretty sure that quite many of those who are watching it are able to find a new way of watching it.
Be it different sites (like you all know, the internet has a habit of rerouting itself once a part of it has been cut.
I don't think that this will happen though), proxies or real children (not a likely outcome though).
The thing I'm worried about is the fact that once you started censoring something, the threshold to censor something else falls.
Once you have started, you may easily start censoring some other things, just like those killer games that were mentioned.
First the porn, then the games and what next?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385813</id>
	<title>Quick, extend this law to Tetris</title>
	<author>Rosco P. Coltrane</author>
	<datestamp>1245351120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>some of the blocks have a very phallic shapes. Like for instance:<br><tt><br>#####<br>#<br></tt></p><p>Eew... Think of the children!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>some of the blocks have a very phallic shapes .
Like for instance : # # # # # # Eew... Think of the children !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>some of the blocks have a very phallic shapes.
Like for instance:######Eew... Think of the children!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386477</id>
	<title>Re:But what next?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245443760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It won't reduce the amount at all. The reasons are simple, and please excuse when I use filesharing as a parallel. They actually share a few traits: First, both are illegal. Second, both use the internet as a staple medium for the transfer of content. Third, both consist of groups of people that tend to aid each other due to the "siege mentality" associated with it.</p><p>In other words, it is quite unlikely that this will achive anything in the sense of blocking child porn at all. Aside of various YouTube videos that already show you how to ignore the filters ("circumvent" is too strong a word, it sounds like there is some work, hardship or hassle associated with it).</p><p>If anything, it will make the work of law enforcement a lot harder. Until now, you could at least catch the "dumb" ones, the ones that use no proxy and download their porn directly. Every time there's a sting, you get to see a lot of people (also from Germany) arrested because their IPs have been used to download stuff. Why are people so "dumb"? Because it works. They have no reason to dig into the technical matter, they have no reason to search for solutions, they have no reason to even know about proxies.</p><p>Now they get to see a big STOP sign. What will they do? Stop getting child pron? C'mon, we're talking about the major driving force in a human being, the sex drive. They will fire up google and search for solutions. As a (for them beneficial...) side effect they will learn that 'til now they were essentially under the sword of Damocles, any time "their" server was busted they would have been in! So they learn now about proxies, they learn now how to mask behind onion routing... they didn't really want that. They are basically "forced" to use it if they want to continue seeing their porn. And they want.</p><p>So what will come out of this? Well, certainly for one, it will look a lot better on the child pron crime statistics. The next sting, there probably won't be any child porn consumers from Germany rounded up. And we'll feel good about ourselves because there are no kiddiporn enthusiasts in Germany anymore.</p><p>What the statistic fails to see is that all we accomplished is that we can't catch them anymore. Well done, Mrs. von der Leyen, you didn't manage to protect children, but you managed to protect child porn consumers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It wo n't reduce the amount at all .
The reasons are simple , and please excuse when I use filesharing as a parallel .
They actually share a few traits : First , both are illegal .
Second , both use the internet as a staple medium for the transfer of content .
Third , both consist of groups of people that tend to aid each other due to the " siege mentality " associated with it.In other words , it is quite unlikely that this will achive anything in the sense of blocking child porn at all .
Aside of various YouTube videos that already show you how to ignore the filters ( " circumvent " is too strong a word , it sounds like there is some work , hardship or hassle associated with it ) .If anything , it will make the work of law enforcement a lot harder .
Until now , you could at least catch the " dumb " ones , the ones that use no proxy and download their porn directly .
Every time there 's a sting , you get to see a lot of people ( also from Germany ) arrested because their IPs have been used to download stuff .
Why are people so " dumb " ?
Because it works .
They have no reason to dig into the technical matter , they have no reason to search for solutions , they have no reason to even know about proxies.Now they get to see a big STOP sign .
What will they do ?
Stop getting child pron ?
C'mon , we 're talking about the major driving force in a human being , the sex drive .
They will fire up google and search for solutions .
As a ( for them beneficial... ) side effect they will learn that 'til now they were essentially under the sword of Damocles , any time " their " server was busted they would have been in !
So they learn now about proxies , they learn now how to mask behind onion routing... they did n't really want that .
They are basically " forced " to use it if they want to continue seeing their porn .
And they want.So what will come out of this ?
Well , certainly for one , it will look a lot better on the child pron crime statistics .
The next sting , there probably wo n't be any child porn consumers from Germany rounded up .
And we 'll feel good about ourselves because there are no kiddiporn enthusiasts in Germany anymore.What the statistic fails to see is that all we accomplished is that we ca n't catch them anymore .
Well done , Mrs. von der Leyen , you did n't manage to protect children , but you managed to protect child porn consumers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It won't reduce the amount at all.
The reasons are simple, and please excuse when I use filesharing as a parallel.
They actually share a few traits: First, both are illegal.
Second, both use the internet as a staple medium for the transfer of content.
Third, both consist of groups of people that tend to aid each other due to the "siege mentality" associated with it.In other words, it is quite unlikely that this will achive anything in the sense of blocking child porn at all.
Aside of various YouTube videos that already show you how to ignore the filters ("circumvent" is too strong a word, it sounds like there is some work, hardship or hassle associated with it).If anything, it will make the work of law enforcement a lot harder.
Until now, you could at least catch the "dumb" ones, the ones that use no proxy and download their porn directly.
Every time there's a sting, you get to see a lot of people (also from Germany) arrested because their IPs have been used to download stuff.
Why are people so "dumb"?
Because it works.
They have no reason to dig into the technical matter, they have no reason to search for solutions, they have no reason to even know about proxies.Now they get to see a big STOP sign.
What will they do?
Stop getting child pron?
C'mon, we're talking about the major driving force in a human being, the sex drive.
They will fire up google and search for solutions.
As a (for them beneficial...) side effect they will learn that 'til now they were essentially under the sword of Damocles, any time "their" server was busted they would have been in!
So they learn now about proxies, they learn now how to mask behind onion routing... they didn't really want that.
They are basically "forced" to use it if they want to continue seeing their porn.
And they want.So what will come out of this?
Well, certainly for one, it will look a lot better on the child pron crime statistics.
The next sting, there probably won't be any child porn consumers from Germany rounded up.
And we'll feel good about ourselves because there are no kiddiporn enthusiasts in Germany anymore.What the statistic fails to see is that all we accomplished is that we can't catch them anymore.
Well done, Mrs. von der Leyen, you didn't manage to protect children, but you managed to protect child porn consumers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386603</id>
	<title>Re:Quick, extend this law to Tetris</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245402000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, a Tetris block looks like this:</p><p>###<br>#</p><p>Stop exaggerating, it's not even your own block.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , a Tetris block looks like this : # # # # Stop exaggerating , it 's not even your own block .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, a Tetris block looks like this:####Stop exaggerating, it's not even your own block.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385813</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28389101</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>TheP4st</author>
	<datestamp>1245422880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>
Even today German products (like Hidelberg) are hghly appreciated, but Germans are not.</p></div><p>True that German products are often highly appreciated, sadly the same do not apply to the people. The reason the same doesn't apply to the people have in large part to do with unfounded prejudice. Granted Germans in Groups on vacation can be very annoying, but so can British, Swedish, Dutch**, Americans etc.
<br> 
<br> 
I have learned to know a great deal of Germans through work and travel and I would not like to work in Germany as having to deal with  their (to me) peculiar ways in the workplace would have me crying for heavy medication within a week. But, I do have a good amount of German friends and acquaintances most of which I have found to be very pleasant, honest and good hearted. The near global dislike towards Germans as people are in my belief nothing but largely unfounded prejudice.
<br> 
<br> 
Sorry for striding so much off topic but I am quite honestly sick and tired of reading comments where Germans are derided. Yes. I am aware that the comment above only made a statement and this is in no way meant as anything but a sidenote.
<br> 
<br> 
**Fitting in this context is to mention that in a recent survey (no I don't have the source, find it yourself) among Dutch ex-pats who were asked who they found being the most annoying tourists, the answer where overwhelmingly the  *drum roll* Dutch!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even today German products ( like Hidelberg ) are hghly appreciated , but Germans are not.True that German products are often highly appreciated , sadly the same do not apply to the people .
The reason the same does n't apply to the people have in large part to do with unfounded prejudice .
Granted Germans in Groups on vacation can be very annoying , but so can British , Swedish , Dutch * * , Americans etc .
I have learned to know a great deal of Germans through work and travel and I would not like to work in Germany as having to deal with their ( to me ) peculiar ways in the workplace would have me crying for heavy medication within a week .
But , I do have a good amount of German friends and acquaintances most of which I have found to be very pleasant , honest and good hearted .
The near global dislike towards Germans as people are in my belief nothing but largely unfounded prejudice .
Sorry for striding so much off topic but I am quite honestly sick and tired of reading comments where Germans are derided .
Yes. I am aware that the comment above only made a statement and this is in no way meant as anything but a sidenote .
* * Fitting in this context is to mention that in a recent survey ( no I do n't have the source , find it yourself ) among Dutch ex-pats who were asked who they found being the most annoying tourists , the answer where overwhelmingly the * drum roll * Dutch !</tokentext>
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Even today German products (like Hidelberg) are hghly appreciated, but Germans are not.True that German products are often highly appreciated, sadly the same do not apply to the people.
The reason the same doesn't apply to the people have in large part to do with unfounded prejudice.
Granted Germans in Groups on vacation can be very annoying, but so can British, Swedish, Dutch**, Americans etc.
I have learned to know a great deal of Germans through work and travel and I would not like to work in Germany as having to deal with  their (to me) peculiar ways in the workplace would have me crying for heavy medication within a week.
But, I do have a good amount of German friends and acquaintances most of which I have found to be very pleasant, honest and good hearted.
The near global dislike towards Germans as people are in my belief nothing but largely unfounded prejudice.
Sorry for striding so much off topic but I am quite honestly sick and tired of reading comments where Germans are derided.
Yes. I am aware that the comment above only made a statement and this is in no way meant as anything but a sidenote.
**Fitting in this context is to mention that in a recent survey (no I don't have the source, find it yourself) among Dutch ex-pats who were asked who they found being the most annoying tourists, the answer where overwhelmingly the  *drum roll* Dutch!
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385803</id>
	<title>yey!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245351060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FRIST!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FRIST !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FRIST!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386945</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1245406440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They don't need to kill you for real anymore. They can just make you unemployable by having you breach some obscure child protection law tacked on to this internet filtering legislation.<br> <br>Virtual death is now more serious, as you have to live with the consequences for the rest of your life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They do n't need to kill you for real anymore .
They can just make you unemployable by having you breach some obscure child protection law tacked on to this internet filtering legislation .
Virtual death is now more serious , as you have to live with the consequences for the rest of your life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They don't need to kill you for real anymore.
They can just make you unemployable by having you breach some obscure child protection law tacked on to this internet filtering legislation.
Virtual death is now more serious, as you have to live with the consequences for the rest of your life.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386123</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386267</id>
	<title>Jan Niggemann</title>
	<author>n0x0n</author>
	<datestamp>1245441960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The underlying problem with this law is not limited to Germany: The list of what's to be censored is secret and solely controlled by the German federal police. No one can see this list (after all, it contains links to CP). This is almost the same as the french HADOPI law, where no judge was to be asked and no judgement necessary, before they cut your internet connection (while obliging you to still pay for it)...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The underlying problem with this law is not limited to Germany : The list of what 's to be censored is secret and solely controlled by the German federal police .
No one can see this list ( after all , it contains links to CP ) .
This is almost the same as the french HADOPI law , where no judge was to be asked and no judgement necessary , before they cut your internet connection ( while obliging you to still pay for it ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The underlying problem with this law is not limited to Germany: The list of what's to be censored is secret and solely controlled by the German federal police.
No one can see this list (after all, it contains links to CP).
This is almost the same as the french HADOPI law, where no judge was to be asked and no judgement necessary, before they cut your internet connection (while obliging you to still pay for it)...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28390275</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245427620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it's all the same mentality just at a different scale</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's all the same mentality just at a different scale</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's all the same mentality just at a different scale</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386123</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386145</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1245354420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except that the list will contain websites that contain anything objectionable to those making the list.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that the list will contain websites that contain anything objectionable to those making the list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that the list will contain websites that contain anything objectionable to those making the list.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385845</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386339</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>silanea</author>
	<datestamp>1245442560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because banning video games is just a thin line's-crossing away from Naziism...</p></div><p>Not necessarily naziism, but fascism none the less. The idea that a strong state can somehow magically make all problems go away by simply passing a law against them (and giving police unconstitutional powers to enforce those laws against a select group of targets in the process) is rather prevalent here in Germany, I'm afraid.</p><p>But in this case I am not too worried. The censorship law will be struck down by our Bundesverfassungsgericht (equivalent to US Supreme Court) for unconstitutionality on various counts. Then it's all about educating the public about what happened here - next general elections are coming up soon, and for certain parties (SPD, I'm looking at you!) there will be hell to pay for their participation in passing this atrocity.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because banning video games is just a thin line 's-crossing away from Naziism...Not necessarily naziism , but fascism none the less .
The idea that a strong state can somehow magically make all problems go away by simply passing a law against them ( and giving police unconstitutional powers to enforce those laws against a select group of targets in the process ) is rather prevalent here in Germany , I 'm afraid.But in this case I am not too worried .
The censorship law will be struck down by our Bundesverfassungsgericht ( equivalent to US Supreme Court ) for unconstitutionality on various counts .
Then it 's all about educating the public about what happened here - next general elections are coming up soon , and for certain parties ( SPD , I 'm looking at you !
) there will be hell to pay for their participation in passing this atrocity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because banning video games is just a thin line's-crossing away from Naziism...Not necessarily naziism, but fascism none the less.
The idea that a strong state can somehow magically make all problems go away by simply passing a law against them (and giving police unconstitutional powers to enforce those laws against a select group of targets in the process) is rather prevalent here in Germany, I'm afraid.But in this case I am not too worried.
The censorship law will be struck down by our Bundesverfassungsgericht (equivalent to US Supreme Court) for unconstitutionality on various counts.
Then it's all about educating the public about what happened here - next general elections are coming up soon, and for certain parties (SPD, I'm looking at you!
) there will be hell to pay for their participation in passing this atrocity.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386123</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28388177</id>
	<title>Advertising for the child porn business</title>
	<author>Shoe Puppet</author>
	<datestamp>1245418500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are probably many people who know about child porn only because of this debate. How many of them will give it a try?</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are probably many people who know about child porn only because of this debate .
How many of them will give it a try ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are probably many people who know about child porn only because of this debate.
How many of them will give it a try?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386197</id>
	<title>This won't work</title>
	<author>Jarlsberg</author>
	<datestamp>1245354900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This won't work at all. All it does is having the telecompanies implementing a systemwide<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.hosts-lists with banned IPs. How often will it be updated? Criminals can set up new networks in minutes. The only ones who will be seriously hurt are companies that provide a service that won't change their DNS every day, like the mentioned (possible) censor on Counterstrike server.
<p>And what about whitelisting, when the IP is recycled? I'm worried that the germans will look to China when they see that this project fails....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This wo n't work at all .
All it does is having the telecompanies implementing a systemwide .hosts-lists with banned IPs .
How often will it be updated ?
Criminals can set up new networks in minutes .
The only ones who will be seriously hurt are companies that provide a service that wo n't change their DNS every day , like the mentioned ( possible ) censor on Counterstrike server .
And what about whitelisting , when the IP is recycled ?
I 'm worried that the germans will look to China when they see that this project fails... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This won't work at all.
All it does is having the telecompanies implementing a systemwide .hosts-lists with banned IPs.
How often will it be updated?
Criminals can set up new networks in minutes.
The only ones who will be seriously hurt are companies that provide a service that won't change their DNS every day, like the mentioned (possible) censor on Counterstrike server.
And what about whitelisting, when the IP is recycled?
I'm worried that the germans will look to China when they see that this project fails....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386329</id>
	<title>Rough translation of the second link</title>
	<author>Xelios</author>
	<datestamp>1245442500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"With 389 yes, 128 no and 18 withheld votes the government passed the so called "Zensursula" bill today with 535 politicians voting in total. Now the plans to repeal on grounds of unconstitutionality begin.<br> <br>

It's a black day for the digital community and will no doubt have repercussions from tech-savvy voters for the two ruling parties in the upcoming elections.<br> <br>

We've achieved quite a bit with the #zensursula campaign and we can continue to build on this, get better at spreading our message and eventually change this bad policy. I'm happy that the articles here on Netzpolitik have been given a voice in the press and in the minds of everyday citizens. This new information-central world of communication brings us a new degree of openness and we are slowly learning how to use our new digital tools and open source principles effectively. Every day we grow stronger and we'll continue to define and breathe life into these digital communities. Many people are becoming more political and are beginning to share their political views with others, both on the net and in the analog world. This is fun, it's creative and it's a worthwhile democratic activity, so join in!<br> <br>"

The link at the end isn't quite so positive. It asks a lot of the same questions that we asked here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. yesterday and gives a nice overview of
the things that were done to try to fight this bill. The first paragraph reads: <br> <br>

"After the passing into law of the 'Zensursula-infrastructure' there are undoubtedly many people out there who are feeling disappointed. What more could we have done that we didn't do in the last few months and years? How big does a movement have to be before it's successful? Our group has grown incredibly, so why doesn't anyone seem to understand us?"  <br> <br>

I'd do the rest but my translation skills aren't the best and it's already time for me to be getting to class. It's a great article though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" With 389 yes , 128 no and 18 withheld votes the government passed the so called " Zensursula " bill today with 535 politicians voting in total .
Now the plans to repeal on grounds of unconstitutionality begin .
It 's a black day for the digital community and will no doubt have repercussions from tech-savvy voters for the two ruling parties in the upcoming elections .
We 've achieved quite a bit with the # zensursula campaign and we can continue to build on this , get better at spreading our message and eventually change this bad policy .
I 'm happy that the articles here on Netzpolitik have been given a voice in the press and in the minds of everyday citizens .
This new information-central world of communication brings us a new degree of openness and we are slowly learning how to use our new digital tools and open source principles effectively .
Every day we grow stronger and we 'll continue to define and breathe life into these digital communities .
Many people are becoming more political and are beginning to share their political views with others , both on the net and in the analog world .
This is fun , it 's creative and it 's a worthwhile democratic activity , so join in !
" The link at the end is n't quite so positive .
It asks a lot of the same questions that we asked here on / .
yesterday and gives a nice overview of the things that were done to try to fight this bill .
The first paragraph reads : " After the passing into law of the 'Zensursula-infrastructure ' there are undoubtedly many people out there who are feeling disappointed .
What more could we have done that we did n't do in the last few months and years ?
How big does a movement have to be before it 's successful ?
Our group has grown incredibly , so why does n't anyone seem to understand us ?
" I 'd do the rest but my translation skills are n't the best and it 's already time for me to be getting to class .
It 's a great article though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"With 389 yes, 128 no and 18 withheld votes the government passed the so called "Zensursula" bill today with 535 politicians voting in total.
Now the plans to repeal on grounds of unconstitutionality begin.
It's a black day for the digital community and will no doubt have repercussions from tech-savvy voters for the two ruling parties in the upcoming elections.
We've achieved quite a bit with the #zensursula campaign and we can continue to build on this, get better at spreading our message and eventually change this bad policy.
I'm happy that the articles here on Netzpolitik have been given a voice in the press and in the minds of everyday citizens.
This new information-central world of communication brings us a new degree of openness and we are slowly learning how to use our new digital tools and open source principles effectively.
Every day we grow stronger and we'll continue to define and breathe life into these digital communities.
Many people are becoming more political and are beginning to share their political views with others, both on the net and in the analog world.
This is fun, it's creative and it's a worthwhile democratic activity, so join in!
"

The link at the end isn't quite so positive.
It asks a lot of the same questions that we asked here on /.
yesterday and gives a nice overview of
the things that were done to try to fight this bill.
The first paragraph reads:  

"After the passing into law of the 'Zensursula-infrastructure' there are undoubtedly many people out there who are feeling disappointed.
What more could we have done that we didn't do in the last few months and years?
How big does a movement have to be before it's successful?
Our group has grown incredibly, so why doesn't anyone seem to understand us?
"   

I'd do the rest but my translation skills aren't the best and it's already time for me to be getting to class.
It's a great article though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28387509</id>
	<title>Stop being dim...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245413040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your reply does not address his point - which is that a politician who claims that children are the most precious members of society may well be disingenuous. The example of someone as extreme as Hitler saying such a thing is well worth noting.</p><p>It is a good quote and conveys that notion very well.</p><p>He did not quote it simply because of some random coincidence of words.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your reply does not address his point - which is that a politician who claims that children are the most precious members of society may well be disingenuous .
The example of someone as extreme as Hitler saying such a thing is well worth noting.It is a good quote and conveys that notion very well.He did not quote it simply because of some random coincidence of words .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your reply does not address his point - which is that a politician who claims that children are the most precious members of society may well be disingenuous.
The example of someone as extreme as Hitler saying such a thing is well worth noting.It is a good quote and conveys that notion very well.He did not quote it simply because of some random coincidence of words.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386139</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386373</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245442860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't be so sure, the demand that immigrants and refugees have to wear certain markers depicting their status has been made already. It was shot down, for obvious historic reasons.</p><p>I'm not so sure it would not have worked if we didn't find something like "marking certain members of society" in our history books...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't be so sure , the demand that immigrants and refugees have to wear certain markers depicting their status has been made already .
It was shot down , for obvious historic reasons.I 'm not so sure it would not have worked if we did n't find something like " marking certain members of society " in our history books.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't be so sure, the demand that immigrants and refugees have to wear certain markers depicting their status has been made already.
It was shot down, for obvious historic reasons.I'm not so sure it would not have worked if we didn't find something like "marking certain members of society" in our history books...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386123</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386319</id>
	<title>This is exactly ...</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1245442380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... why the PIRATE party (I hope they come up with a snazzy backronym for that) can expect to get my vote in the elections next fall.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... why the PIRATE party ( I hope they come up with a snazzy backronym for that ) can expect to get my vote in the elections next fall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... why the PIRATE party (I hope they come up with a snazzy backronym for that) can expect to get my vote in the elections next fall.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28389975</id>
	<title>Re:proof of system failure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245426300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they do get shot, it should be done with paintballs. (Yet another thing banned in Germany.) Just to rub in a point about the stupidity of bans on simulated violence and to further mock them. I'd say to paint them yellow like the cowards that they are, since the legislation they create does nothing to address the issues that cause real violence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they do get shot , it should be done with paintballs .
( Yet another thing banned in Germany .
) Just to rub in a point about the stupidity of bans on simulated violence and to further mock them .
I 'd say to paint them yellow like the cowards that they are , since the legislation they create does nothing to address the issues that cause real violence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they do get shot, it should be done with paintballs.
(Yet another thing banned in Germany.
) Just to rub in a point about the stupidity of bans on simulated violence and to further mock them.
I'd say to paint them yellow like the cowards that they are, since the legislation they create does nothing to address the issues that cause real violence.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386029</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28387829</id>
	<title>Not to forget ...</title>
	<author>flnca</author>
	<datestamp>1245416400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... the German federal parliament will be elected later on this year. Both parties of the big coalition (SPD+CDU) have to use the Summer to prepare voters for the election. And passing a law that protects children in some way will gain them big plus points with most family fathers and mothers (and probably others, as well). During the EU parliament election earlier this month, CDU was leading the polls, and SPD had lost some influence. Many people are sick of this coalition, mainly due to the highest taxes in German history for tobacco and fuel, plus an unusual erosion of social benefits that had unexpectedly taken place during the Schroeder (SPD) government a few years back. Many people will vote for the Left Party (Die Linke) or at least The Greens (Die Gruenen) instead, but it remains to be seen if the power of CDU and SPD can be broken that had us in their grip for decades. Career-driven politicians do not necessarily act in the interest of the people<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... this problem has already existed since ancient Rome. BTW, ex-chancellor Schroeder is now board member of GazProm, a Russian gas giant.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... the German federal parliament will be elected later on this year .
Both parties of the big coalition ( SPD + CDU ) have to use the Summer to prepare voters for the election .
And passing a law that protects children in some way will gain them big plus points with most family fathers and mothers ( and probably others , as well ) .
During the EU parliament election earlier this month , CDU was leading the polls , and SPD had lost some influence .
Many people are sick of this coalition , mainly due to the highest taxes in German history for tobacco and fuel , plus an unusual erosion of social benefits that had unexpectedly taken place during the Schroeder ( SPD ) government a few years back .
Many people will vote for the Left Party ( Die Linke ) or at least The Greens ( Die Gruenen ) instead , but it remains to be seen if the power of CDU and SPD can be broken that had us in their grip for decades .
Career-driven politicians do not necessarily act in the interest of the people ... this problem has already existed since ancient Rome .
BTW , ex-chancellor Schroeder is now board member of GazProm , a Russian gas giant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the German federal parliament will be elected later on this year.
Both parties of the big coalition (SPD+CDU) have to use the Summer to prepare voters for the election.
And passing a law that protects children in some way will gain them big plus points with most family fathers and mothers (and probably others, as well).
During the EU parliament election earlier this month, CDU was leading the polls, and SPD had lost some influence.
Many people are sick of this coalition, mainly due to the highest taxes in German history for tobacco and fuel, plus an unusual erosion of social benefits that had unexpectedly taken place during the Schroeder (SPD) government a few years back.
Many people will vote for the Left Party (Die Linke) or at least The Greens (Die Gruenen) instead, but it remains to be seen if the power of CDU and SPD can be broken that had us in their grip for decades.
Career-driven politicians do not necessarily act in the interest of the people ... this problem has already existed since ancient Rome.
BTW, ex-chancellor Schroeder is now board member of GazProm, a Russian gas giant.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385849</id>
	<title>Don't they get attacked for those lies?</title>
	<author>Thanshin</author>
	<datestamp>1245351420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What stops a politician from the "opposite" side from simply stating:</p><p>"I'm against this law because you'll use it to cover more content than discussed. We all see your lies."</p><p>Then, when the law passed, it could go unchanged, and thus useless, or be used as intended (to push some agenda) and the politician could happily point to the previous declarations:</p><p>"As everyone already predicted, it was all a lie and they just wanted the law for their personal use."</p><p>Please don't let the response be "nobody cares about truths, people just vote the most charismatic guy".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What stops a politician from the " opposite " side from simply stating : " I 'm against this law because you 'll use it to cover more content than discussed .
We all see your lies .
" Then , when the law passed , it could go unchanged , and thus useless , or be used as intended ( to push some agenda ) and the politician could happily point to the previous declarations : " As everyone already predicted , it was all a lie and they just wanted the law for their personal use .
" Please do n't let the response be " nobody cares about truths , people just vote the most charismatic guy " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What stops a politician from the "opposite" side from simply stating:"I'm against this law because you'll use it to cover more content than discussed.
We all see your lies.
"Then, when the law passed, it could go unchanged, and thus useless, or be used as intended (to push some agenda) and the politician could happily point to the previous declarations:"As everyone already predicted, it was all a lie and they just wanted the law for their personal use.
"Please don't let the response be "nobody cares about truths, people just vote the most charismatic guy".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386639</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245402480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what everyone is wondering about here in Germany...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what everyone is wondering about here in Germany.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what everyone is wondering about here in Germany...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386229</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28388279</id>
	<title>Re:Don't they get attacked for those lies?</title>
	<author>Shoe Puppet</author>
	<datestamp>1245419160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Quite a few politicans from the opposition and even from the governing parties actually stated that.

One of the opposition parties (FDP - Free Democratic Party) actually asked the government where they got all their numbers and claims regarding CP from. The answer essentially was "We have no clue and made it all up".

The media more or less ignored that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite a few politicans from the opposition and even from the governing parties actually stated that .
One of the opposition parties ( FDP - Free Democratic Party ) actually asked the government where they got all their numbers and claims regarding CP from .
The answer essentially was " We have no clue and made it all up " .
The media more or less ignored that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite a few politicans from the opposition and even from the governing parties actually stated that.
One of the opposition parties (FDP - Free Democratic Party) actually asked the government where they got all their numbers and claims regarding CP from.
The answer essentially was "We have no clue and made it all up".
The media more or less ignored that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385849</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28389259</id>
	<title>Whole Other Level</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245423360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dont understand how they can still be saying that games like counter-strike are "killer games" its now obvious that society uses these games as a cop out for societies obvious decay and lack of parenting skills. And to even be bold enough as to put these video games, which last i knew were nothing more then a form of entertainment on the same level as child porn? excuse me but i think that 80 year old shithead who shot up the holocaust museum was more likely to be watching child porn than playing counter-strike.</p><p>P.S. I just finished playing 24 hours of cs. i'm gunna go smoke some crack and shoot up my local highschool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont understand how they can still be saying that games like counter-strike are " killer games " its now obvious that society uses these games as a cop out for societies obvious decay and lack of parenting skills .
And to even be bold enough as to put these video games , which last i knew were nothing more then a form of entertainment on the same level as child porn ?
excuse me but i think that 80 year old shithead who shot up the holocaust museum was more likely to be watching child porn than playing counter-strike.P.S .
I just finished playing 24 hours of cs .
i 'm gunna go smoke some crack and shoot up my local highschool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont understand how they can still be saying that games like counter-strike are "killer games" its now obvious that society uses these games as a cop out for societies obvious decay and lack of parenting skills.
And to even be bold enough as to put these video games, which last i knew were nothing more then a form of entertainment on the same level as child porn?
excuse me but i think that 80 year old shithead who shot up the holocaust museum was more likely to be watching child porn than playing counter-strike.P.S.
I just finished playing 24 hours of cs.
i'm gunna go smoke some crack and shoot up my local highschool.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28389163</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1245423060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed.</p><p>Usually it's because the images end up being things like 30 year old album covers that are entirely legal. If they wanted to shut sites down, there'd actually have to faff about with red tape like having a fair trial.</p><p>Apologies if this post is messed up - it seems Slashdot is well and truely broken now, giving me a completely misformatted page, with a tiny textbox to type in...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed.Usually it 's because the images end up being things like 30 year old album covers that are entirely legal .
If they wanted to shut sites down , there 'd actually have to faff about with red tape like having a fair trial.Apologies if this post is messed up - it seems Slashdot is well and truely broken now , giving me a completely misformatted page , with a tiny textbox to type in.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.Usually it's because the images end up being things like 30 year old album covers that are entirely legal.
If they wanted to shut sites down, there'd actually have to faff about with red tape like having a fair trial.Apologies if this post is messed up - it seems Slashdot is well and truely broken now, giving me a completely misformatted page, with a tiny textbox to type in...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28387895</id>
	<title>I'm from Germany, and I say:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245416760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Our government broke constitutional law, article 5, section 1 ("Eine Zensur findet nicht statt." = ""Censorship does not happen."), which makes them, by the rules of our constitution, a anticonstitutional, criminal organization. Does anyone with law knowledge know, how this is meant to be enforced in this case? Because, if it is constitutional to shoot them (or do anything else), I'd be the first do do so. I think there is no bigger criminal offense, than breaking such basic constitutional laws. <em>Especially</em> if you are the government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our government broke constitutional law , article 5 , section 1 ( " Eine Zensur findet nicht statt .
" = " " Censorship does not happen .
" ) , which makes them , by the rules of our constitution , a anticonstitutional , criminal organization .
Does anyone with law knowledge know , how this is meant to be enforced in this case ?
Because , if it is constitutional to shoot them ( or do anything else ) , I 'd be the first do do so .
I think there is no bigger criminal offense , than breaking such basic constitutional laws .
Especially if you are the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our government broke constitutional law, article 5, section 1 ("Eine Zensur findet nicht statt.
" = ""Censorship does not happen.
"), which makes them, by the rules of our constitution, a anticonstitutional, criminal organization.
Does anyone with law knowledge know, how this is meant to be enforced in this case?
Because, if it is constitutional to shoot them (or do anything else), I'd be the first do do so.
I think there is no bigger criminal offense, than breaking such basic constitutional laws.
Especially if you are the government.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386089</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Digestromath</author>
	<datestamp>1245353880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The line between liberty and Hitler is a thin one, located in a small strip between the nose and the upper lip.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The line between liberty and Hitler is a thin one , located in a small strip between the nose and the upper lip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The line between liberty and Hitler is a thin one, located in a small strip between the nose and the upper lip.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385901</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386229</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>El\_Muerte\_TDS</author>
	<datestamp>1245441600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Instead if trying to filter the websites, why don't they try to close them down?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead if trying to filter the websites , why do n't they try to close them down ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead if trying to filter the websites, why don't they try to close them down?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386695</id>
	<title>Re:But what next?</title>
	<author>1u3hr</author>
	<datestamp>1245403440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It indeed may be able to reduce the amount of child porn watched in Germany</i> <p>
I doubt that. There have been enough high-profile cases that anyone who is actually looking for child porn must be already taking precautions. And I really have a hard time believing those who say that it will stop "accidental" exposure. I spend hours online every day, visit a lot of sleazy sites, and I haven't see anything that could qualify as real child porn (photos, movies of real children) for at least three years. You used to sometimes run into a bunch of images, which would quickly be deleted (presumably placed to troll a website), but not even that recently, as the penalties became more severe. The point is that the risk of accidental exposure is already pretty low -- you have to have passwords, and probably pay, to get access -- and those actively looking for it will trivially  bypass any blocking.</p><p>
What of course they should be doing is tracking the SOURCES of the porn, not wasting effort chasing the poor schlubs who get off on looking at images.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It indeed may be able to reduce the amount of child porn watched in Germany I doubt that .
There have been enough high-profile cases that anyone who is actually looking for child porn must be already taking precautions .
And I really have a hard time believing those who say that it will stop " accidental " exposure .
I spend hours online every day , visit a lot of sleazy sites , and I have n't see anything that could qualify as real child porn ( photos , movies of real children ) for at least three years .
You used to sometimes run into a bunch of images , which would quickly be deleted ( presumably placed to troll a website ) , but not even that recently , as the penalties became more severe .
The point is that the risk of accidental exposure is already pretty low -- you have to have passwords , and probably pay , to get access -- and those actively looking for it will trivially bypass any blocking .
What of course they should be doing is tracking the SOURCES of the porn , not wasting effort chasing the poor schlubs who get off on looking at images .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It indeed may be able to reduce the amount of child porn watched in Germany 
I doubt that.
There have been enough high-profile cases that anyone who is actually looking for child porn must be already taking precautions.
And I really have a hard time believing those who say that it will stop "accidental" exposure.
I spend hours online every day, visit a lot of sleazy sites, and I haven't see anything that could qualify as real child porn (photos, movies of real children) for at least three years.
You used to sometimes run into a bunch of images, which would quickly be deleted (presumably placed to troll a website), but not even that recently, as the penalties became more severe.
The point is that the risk of accidental exposure is already pretty low -- you have to have passwords, and probably pay, to get access -- and those actively looking for it will trivially  bypass any blocking.
What of course they should be doing is tracking the SOURCES of the porn, not wasting effort chasing the poor schlubs who get off on looking at images.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385955</id>
	<title>Re:The mods are asleep</title>
	<author>Jurily</author>
	<datestamp>1245352800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CP</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CP</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CP</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386009</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245353340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>German politicians are treading the thinnest line possible between Liberty and Hitler.</p></div><p>
Because those are the only two possible options...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>German politicians are treading the thinnest line possible between Liberty and Hitler .
Because those are the only two possible options.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>German politicians are treading the thinnest line possible between Liberty and Hitler.
Because those are the only two possible options...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385901</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386313</id>
	<title>Re:History repeats itself.....</title>
	<author>filedil</author>
	<datestamp>1245442380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hitler, right? I mean, in these threads about German censorship it's always about Hitler. Alternatively, Benjamin Franklin.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hitler , right ?
I mean , in these threads about German censorship it 's always about Hitler .
Alternatively , Benjamin Franklin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hitler, right?
I mean, in these threads about German censorship it's always about Hitler.
Alternatively, Benjamin Franklin.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385975</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386401</id>
	<title>Re:History repeats itself.....</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245443100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The boss of the guy who said "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."</p><p>It gets kinda cold in here when our politicians pick such people as their teachers...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The boss of the guy who said " The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders .
That is easy .
All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked , and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger .
It works the same way in any country .
" It gets kinda cold in here when our politicians pick such people as their teachers.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The boss of the guy who said "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders.
That is easy.
All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
It works the same way in any country.
"It gets kinda cold in here when our politicians pick such people as their teachers...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385975</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28408859</id>
	<title>Quick, extend this law to Tetris</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1245576600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>How hard is it for them to profile the owners of homes using high grade encryption and find likely political dissidents, then using laws they brought in to "catch high-tech paedophiles" physically seize computers and compel the owner to provide a password, which they have ruled is not protected by the 4th amendment and failure to do so is a crime?</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How hard is it for them to profile the owners of homes using high grade encryption and find likely political dissidents , then using laws they brought in to " catch high-tech paedophiles " physically seize computers and compel the owner to provide a password , which they have ruled is not protected by the 4th amendment and failure to do so is a crime ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How hard is it for them to profile the owners of homes using high grade encryption and find likely political dissidents, then using laws they brought in to "catch high-tech paedophiles" physically seize computers and compel the owner to provide a password, which they have ruled is not protected by the 4th amendment and failure to do so is a crime?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386303</id>
	<title>Re:History repeats itself.....</title>
	<author>xlotlu</author>
	<datestamp>1245442260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation"</p><p>I'll leave you to guess who I'm quoting.</p></div><p>You're quoting <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel\_Lapin" title="wikipedia.org">Daniel Lapin</a> [wikipedia.org]. This is an excerpt from <a href="http://www.aapsonline.org/brochures/lapin.htm" title="aapsonline.org">an essay of his</a> [aapsonline.org] which pretends to be a letter sent from the dead by Hitler to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius\_Streicher" title="wikipedia.org">Julius Streicher</a> [wikipedia.org].</p><p>It builds on Hitler's advocacy in Mein Kampf that the sick / handicapped should be deemed <a href="http://www.idst.vt.edu/modernworld/d/hitler.html#B" title="vt.edu">unfit for procreation</a> [vt.edu]:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>[The state] must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. It must see to it that only the healthy beget children; that there is only one disgrace: despite one's own sickness and deficiencies, to bring children into the world, and one highest honor: to renounce doing so.</p></div><p>As such, the Hitler-attributable part of the quote is wildly out of context. But this fictional letter does a great job of pointing out where this "think of the children" is going.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people .
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children , the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation " I 'll leave you to guess who I 'm quoting.You 're quoting Daniel Lapin [ wikipedia.org ] .
This is an excerpt from an essay of his [ aapsonline.org ] which pretends to be a letter sent from the dead by Hitler to Julius Streicher [ wikipedia.org ] .It builds on Hitler 's advocacy in Mein Kampf that the sick / handicapped should be deemed unfit for procreation [ vt.edu ] : [ The state ] must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people .
It must see to it that only the healthy beget children ; that there is only one disgrace : despite one 's own sickness and deficiencies , to bring children into the world , and one highest honor : to renounce doing so.As such , the Hitler-attributable part of the quote is wildly out of context .
But this fictional letter does a great job of pointing out where this " think of the children " is going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation"I'll leave you to guess who I'm quoting.You're quoting Daniel Lapin [wikipedia.org].
This is an excerpt from an essay of his [aapsonline.org] which pretends to be a letter sent from the dead by Hitler to Julius Streicher [wikipedia.org].It builds on Hitler's advocacy in Mein Kampf that the sick / handicapped should be deemed unfit for procreation [vt.edu]:[The state] must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.
It must see to it that only the healthy beget children; that there is only one disgrace: despite one's own sickness and deficiencies, to bring children into the world, and one highest honor: to renounce doing so.As such, the Hitler-attributable part of the quote is wildly out of context.
But this fictional letter does a great job of pointing out where this "think of the children" is going.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28387813</id>
	<title>Re:So let me get this straight ...</title>
	<author>goldspider</author>
	<datestamp>1245416280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"...violent video games because THAT might lead to actual violence."</i></p><p>And that particular link is tenuous, at best.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...violent video games because THAT might lead to actual violence .
" And that particular link is tenuous , at best .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...violent video games because THAT might lead to actual violence.
"And that particular link is tenuous, at best.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28387031</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>thijsh</author>
	<datestamp>1245407460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So... the germans are actually pulling a Godwin on themselves...<br>
Only question left is: who loses?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So... the germans are actually pulling a Godwin on themselves.. . Only question left is : who loses ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... the germans are actually pulling a Godwin on themselves...
Only question left is: who loses?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386139</id>
	<title>Re:History repeats itself.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245354360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation"</p><p>I'll leave you to guess who I'm quoting.</p></div><p>I'll bet he also said something about how Christmas is a nice time to spend with family, or how he thinks his mustache makes him look more mature, but that doesn't make mustaches or Christmas evil.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people .
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children , the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation " I 'll leave you to guess who I 'm quoting.I 'll bet he also said something about how Christmas is a nice time to spend with family , or how he thinks his mustache makes him look more mature , but that does n't make mustaches or Christmas evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation"I'll leave you to guess who I'm quoting.I'll bet he also said something about how Christmas is a nice time to spend with family, or how he thinks his mustache makes him look more mature, but that doesn't make mustaches or Christmas evil.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386497</id>
	<title>Re:What Might Have Been</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1245443940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If only Germany had protected its citizens from violent video games in the 1930's, imagine how many lives would have been saved!</p></div><p>I'm confused... your point here is "This is one of the countries that started WW2, so they have no right to ban violent videogames?"  Or was it "WW2 was not caused by videogames, so clearly videogames can never be blamed for real life violence?"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If only Germany had protected its citizens from violent video games in the 1930 's , imagine how many lives would have been saved ! I 'm confused... your point here is " This is one of the countries that started WW2 , so they have no right to ban violent videogames ?
" Or was it " WW2 was not caused by videogames , so clearly videogames can never be blamed for real life violence ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only Germany had protected its citizens from violent video games in the 1930's, imagine how many lives would have been saved!I'm confused... your point here is "This is one of the countries that started WW2, so they have no right to ban violent videogames?
"  Or was it "WW2 was not caused by videogames, so clearly videogames can never be blamed for real life violence?
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28409705</id>
	<title>childporn on the internet</title>
	<author>KingBenny</author>
	<datestamp>1245588120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>In all the years that i've been surfing the internet i have NEVER . I mean NOT EVER, NOT ONCE encountered a website where childporn is openly available on the internet. This is nothing but a mask to control the flow of information and that makes Merkel no better than the ppl who lead Iran and China. I thought they were gone forever but it seems the Nazi's are back. A VERY, VERY sad day for freedom<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... we should all move to Sweden where people and consumer rights are actually taken seriously cos if Merkel and Sarkozy get their way with Europe we will soon all have a chip up our European asses.

a very sad day for freedom</htmltext>
<tokenext>In all the years that i 've been surfing the internet i have NEVER .
I mean NOT EVER , NOT ONCE encountered a website where childporn is openly available on the internet .
This is nothing but a mask to control the flow of information and that makes Merkel no better than the ppl who lead Iran and China .
I thought they were gone forever but it seems the Nazi 's are back .
A VERY , VERY sad day for freedom ... we should all move to Sweden where people and consumer rights are actually taken seriously cos if Merkel and Sarkozy get their way with Europe we will soon all have a chip up our European asses .
a very sad day for freedom</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In all the years that i've been surfing the internet i have NEVER .
I mean NOT EVER, NOT ONCE encountered a website where childporn is openly available on the internet.
This is nothing but a mask to control the flow of information and that makes Merkel no better than the ppl who lead Iran and China.
I thought they were gone forever but it seems the Nazi's are back.
A VERY, VERY sad day for freedom ... we should all move to Sweden where people and consumer rights are actually taken seriously cos if Merkel and Sarkozy get their way with Europe we will soon all have a chip up our European asses.
a very sad day for freedom</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28392681</id>
	<title>Re:proof of system failure</title>
	<author>DrVomact</author>
	<datestamp>1245438000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If you still needed proof that our political system is crap, this is it...If anyone shoots them all, I'll be there to applaud.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Ok, so let's be clear about this: you're willing to bring down the curtain on the type of government that Germany&mdash;and most of the "Western" countries&mdash;have, and initiate a violent revolution because a parliament did something dumb, something that is annoying and ineffectual, but that will cost no lives or even a lot of money (for values of $a\_lot bandied about by government these days)? If you think <em>that</em> justifies taking up arms against any government, you're a clueless and dangerous idiot; clearly, you have neither a knowledge of history nor a sense of proportion. There may be reasons to call for blood and fire; there have been times and places when men have justifiable taken up arms to rise against intolerable governments or great injustices. Usually, the cost has been terrible, and the odds of success small. Smaller still is the number of revolutions that actually made things <em>better</em>.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you still needed proof that our political system is crap , this is it...If anyone shoots them all , I 'll be there to applaud .
Ok , so let 's be clear about this : you 're willing to bring down the curtain on the type of government that Germany    and most of the " Western " countries    have , and initiate a violent revolution because a parliament did something dumb , something that is annoying and ineffectual , but that will cost no lives or even a lot of money ( for values of $ a \ _lot bandied about by government these days ) ?
If you think that justifies taking up arms against any government , you 're a clueless and dangerous idiot ; clearly , you have neither a knowledge of history nor a sense of proportion .
There may be reasons to call for blood and fire ; there have been times and places when men have justifiable taken up arms to rise against intolerable governments or great injustices .
Usually , the cost has been terrible , and the odds of success small .
Smaller still is the number of revolutions that actually made things better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you still needed proof that our political system is crap, this is it...If anyone shoots them all, I'll be there to applaud.
Ok, so let's be clear about this: you're willing to bring down the curtain on the type of government that Germany—and most of the "Western" countries—have, and initiate a violent revolution because a parliament did something dumb, something that is annoying and ineffectual, but that will cost no lives or even a lot of money (for values of $a\_lot bandied about by government these days)?
If you think that justifies taking up arms against any government, you're a clueless and dangerous idiot; clearly, you have neither a knowledge of history nor a sense of proportion.
There may be reasons to call for blood and fire; there have been times and places when men have justifiable taken up arms to rise against intolerable governments or great injustices.
Usually, the cost has been terrible, and the odds of success small.
Smaller still is the number of revolutions that actually made things better.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386501</id>
	<title>Awww, that's cute...</title>
	<author>calmofthestorm</author>
	<datestamp>1245444000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they think they can censor the internet. *headpat*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they think they can censor the internet .
* headpat *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they think they can censor the internet.
*headpat*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386307</id>
	<title>Re:proof of system failure</title>
	<author>advertisehere</author>
	<datestamp>1245442320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, most people suck at their jobs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , most people suck at their jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, most people suck at their jobs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386029</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28391595</id>
	<title>No need for the list, just use Google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245433380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>and search for the Image and Text of the Stop-Sign that is displayed on "forbidden" websites instead of the original content.

Was about time to have one search-keyword that returns you the addresses of all of the bigger kiddie porn websites. &lt;/sarcasm&gt;</htmltext>
<tokenext>and search for the Image and Text of the Stop-Sign that is displayed on " forbidden " websites instead of the original content .
Was about time to have one search-keyword that returns you the addresses of all of the bigger kiddie porn websites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and search for the Image and Text of the Stop-Sign that is displayed on "forbidden" websites instead of the original content.
Was about time to have one search-keyword that returns you the addresses of all of the bigger kiddie porn websites. </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386195</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28387781</id>
	<title>Re:Quick, extend this law to Tetris</title>
	<author>modemuser</author>
	<datestamp>1245415920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Tetris pieces (Tetrinos?)</p></div><p>Tetrominoes are a subset of polyominoes.

A Tetris clone with monominoes gets boring quickly.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tetris pieces ( Tetrinos ?
) Tetrominoes are a subset of polyominoes .
A Tetris clone with monominoes gets boring quickly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tetris pieces (Tetrinos?
)Tetrominoes are a subset of polyominoes.
A Tetris clone with monominoes gets boring quickly.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386445</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386531</id>
	<title>finally they got  Germany :) wonderul</title>
	<author>x4r</author>
	<datestamp>1245444240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>most scientologly-hostile country even, now finally subverted by infiltrators in this important law aspect.
great acheivement !
*applause*</htmltext>
<tokenext>most scientologly-hostile country even , now finally subverted by infiltrators in this important law aspect .
great acheivement !
* applause *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>most scientologly-hostile country even, now finally subverted by infiltrators in this important law aspect.
great acheivement !
*applause*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28389199</id>
	<title>So, are you willing to take the next step?</title>
	<author>BenEnglishAtHome</author>
	<datestamp>1245423180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p><i>...I'm starting to believe that at least the danger of violence and personal consequences is required or else our politicians will destroy us all...</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>Welcome to the real world.  It's possible to build all sorts of safeguards into a system to protect the people from despots.  In the U.S., we did a fairly good job of it, what with all those "checks and balances" and such.  But over time, the assholes eventually win.  Little by little, the corridors of power see public servants and statesmen replaced by people who just want power.  It's inevitable.
</p><p>The guys who set up the U.S. legal infrastructure (we call them the "Founding Fathers") realized this and built a big ol' reset switch into the system in the form of an amendment to the Constitution specifically designed to make sure the people could possess the means to drag their oppressors into the street and shoot them in the head.
</p><p>Let me stress:  We are not there, yet.
</p><p>Still, it would be nice to be prepared.  Wanna learn something useful, gain a satisfying physical skill, and have some fun, all at the same time?  I'm at work and (quite ironically) filtered, so I can't visit sites to find and post specific links, but <a href="http://www.appleseedinfo.org/" title="appleseedinfo.org">this site</a> [appleseedinfo.org] is a fine place to start.  Turn your speakers down before you click the link; the drums are nice and the opening riff is brief, but it's still unexpected.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...I 'm starting to believe that at least the danger of violence and personal consequences is required or else our politicians will destroy us all... Welcome to the real world .
It 's possible to build all sorts of safeguards into a system to protect the people from despots .
In the U.S. , we did a fairly good job of it , what with all those " checks and balances " and such .
But over time , the assholes eventually win .
Little by little , the corridors of power see public servants and statesmen replaced by people who just want power .
It 's inevitable .
The guys who set up the U.S. legal infrastructure ( we call them the " Founding Fathers " ) realized this and built a big ol ' reset switch into the system in the form of an amendment to the Constitution specifically designed to make sure the people could possess the means to drag their oppressors into the street and shoot them in the head .
Let me stress : We are not there , yet .
Still , it would be nice to be prepared .
Wan na learn something useful , gain a satisfying physical skill , and have some fun , all at the same time ?
I 'm at work and ( quite ironically ) filtered , so I ca n't visit sites to find and post specific links , but this site [ appleseedinfo.org ] is a fine place to start .
Turn your speakers down before you click the link ; the drums are nice and the opening riff is brief , but it 's still unexpected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I'm starting to believe that at least the danger of violence and personal consequences is required or else our politicians will destroy us all... Welcome to the real world.
It's possible to build all sorts of safeguards into a system to protect the people from despots.
In the U.S., we did a fairly good job of it, what with all those "checks and balances" and such.
But over time, the assholes eventually win.
Little by little, the corridors of power see public servants and statesmen replaced by people who just want power.
It's inevitable.
The guys who set up the U.S. legal infrastructure (we call them the "Founding Fathers") realized this and built a big ol' reset switch into the system in the form of an amendment to the Constitution specifically designed to make sure the people could possess the means to drag their oppressors into the street and shoot them in the head.
Let me stress:  We are not there, yet.
Still, it would be nice to be prepared.
Wanna learn something useful, gain a satisfying physical skill, and have some fun, all at the same time?
I'm at work and (quite ironically) filtered, so I can't visit sites to find and post specific links, but this site [appleseedinfo.org] is a fine place to start.
Turn your speakers down before you click the link; the drums are nice and the opening riff is brief, but it's still unexpected.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386029</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28387907</id>
	<title>Censorship stops game development?!</title>
	<author>Wowsers</author>
	<datestamp>1245416880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh well, I guess now we'll NEVER get to see that update release of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenstein\_3D" title="wikipedia.org">Wolfenstein</a> [wikipedia.org].<br>"Think of the children" - you Liberal / Commie morons!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh well , I guess now we 'll NEVER get to see that update release of Wolfenstein [ wikipedia.org ] .
" Think of the children " - you Liberal / Commie morons !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh well, I guess now we'll NEVER get to see that update release of Wolfenstein [wikipedia.org].
"Think of the children" - you Liberal / Commie morons!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386051</id>
	<title>the slippery slope of "illegal information"</title>
	<author>drDugan</author>
	<datestamp>1245353580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In this news, we see the real issue: That the slippery slope of making some information illegal is too steep.  The primary issue that free global flow of information will do is dramatically reduce the need for centralized government power at the country level, in many ways.  If people allow their governments to start making some information illegal, even for good reasons, then the norm of censorship will be accepted and expanded.</p><p>Frankly, the main driver behind making such images illegal seems to be that we don't have the resources or the effort to catch people who actually harm children - so instead they make the next closest thing police *can* find illegal.  This is lazy police work.</p><p>I believe that a free and open society would work best if there were no restrictions on *access* to information once it is available.  Laws would only restrict behaviors: The bits are not the issue, human behavior is.  Thus, no image or stream of bits would ever be illegal (as I see it), only *actions* that people take that directly result in harm to other people.  This would make the job of police much harder, yes, but the benefits become obvious quickly when reading this news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In this news , we see the real issue : That the slippery slope of making some information illegal is too steep .
The primary issue that free global flow of information will do is dramatically reduce the need for centralized government power at the country level , in many ways .
If people allow their governments to start making some information illegal , even for good reasons , then the norm of censorship will be accepted and expanded.Frankly , the main driver behind making such images illegal seems to be that we do n't have the resources or the effort to catch people who actually harm children - so instead they make the next closest thing police * can * find illegal .
This is lazy police work.I believe that a free and open society would work best if there were no restrictions on * access * to information once it is available .
Laws would only restrict behaviors : The bits are not the issue , human behavior is .
Thus , no image or stream of bits would ever be illegal ( as I see it ) , only * actions * that people take that directly result in harm to other people .
This would make the job of police much harder , yes , but the benefits become obvious quickly when reading this news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In this news, we see the real issue: That the slippery slope of making some information illegal is too steep.
The primary issue that free global flow of information will do is dramatically reduce the need for centralized government power at the country level, in many ways.
If people allow their governments to start making some information illegal, even for good reasons, then the norm of censorship will be accepted and expanded.Frankly, the main driver behind making such images illegal seems to be that we don't have the resources or the effort to catch people who actually harm children - so instead they make the next closest thing police *can* find illegal.
This is lazy police work.I believe that a free and open society would work best if there were no restrictions on *access* to information once it is available.
Laws would only restrict behaviors: The bits are not the issue, human behavior is.
Thus, no image or stream of bits would ever be illegal (as I see it), only *actions* that people take that directly result in harm to other people.
This would make the job of police much harder, yes, but the benefits become obvious quickly when reading this news.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28388579</id>
	<title>Re:proof of system failure</title>
	<author>Asic Eng</author>
	<datestamp>1245420540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Our political system still gives us opportunities to make things better. The Pirate Party did get 0.9\% of the vote in the European elections - that's a pretty respectable result, considering that was the first time the ran. The FDP also doubled their votes (capturing 11\% of the vote) - probably partly due their opposition to the censorship proposals. Here you can find instructions how can help getting the Pirate Party registered for the federal elections: <a href="http://ich.waehlepiraten.de/" title="waehlepiraten.de">http://ich.waehlepiraten.de/</a> [waehlepiraten.de]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Our political system still gives us opportunities to make things better .
The Pirate Party did get 0.9 \ % of the vote in the European elections - that 's a pretty respectable result , considering that was the first time the ran .
The FDP also doubled their votes ( capturing 11 \ % of the vote ) - probably partly due their opposition to the censorship proposals .
Here you can find instructions how can help getting the Pirate Party registered for the federal elections : http : //ich.waehlepiraten.de/ [ waehlepiraten.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our political system still gives us opportunities to make things better.
The Pirate Party did get 0.9\% of the vote in the European elections - that's a pretty respectable result, considering that was the first time the ran.
The FDP also doubled their votes (capturing 11\% of the vote) - probably partly due their opposition to the censorship proposals.
Here you can find instructions how can help getting the Pirate Party registered for the federal elections: http://ich.waehlepiraten.de/ [waehlepiraten.de]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385779</id>
	<title>The mods are asleep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245350820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quick, post CP before the NAZIs can block it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quick , post CP before the NAZIs can block it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quick, post CP before the NAZIs can block it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28388143</id>
	<title>Virtual Murder Simulators</title>
	<author>Drakkenmensch</author>
	<datestamp>1245418320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anyone who claims that video games can train you to kill should be given a Tony Hawk game and a month to train before they're given a real skateboard and a ramp to demonstrate all the real world skills they've learned on their Xbox.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone who claims that video games can train you to kill should be given a Tony Hawk game and a month to train before they 're given a real skateboard and a ramp to demonstrate all the real world skills they 've learned on their Xbox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone who claims that video games can train you to kill should be given a Tony Hawk game and a month to train before they're given a real skateboard and a ramp to demonstrate all the real world skills they've learned on their Xbox.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386521</id>
	<title>Re:Honestly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245444180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This takes a while to explain.</p><p>In Germany, too, there were killing sprees in schools. And just like everywhere, people were scrambling to find a reason.</p><p>Well, if you ask me, when you look for reasons, look where the sprees happen: In schools. Would you go to a school if you went on a rampage with the goal to kill people? I'd use the subway on a monday morning. Or the shopping mall right before Christmas. WAY more people to mow down.</p><p>They were not rampages. That was simply and plainly acts of revenge. Revenge for years of bullying, revenge for years of (preceived or real) favorism of teachers, revenge for being outcast, revenge for being picked on.</p><p>But you can't blame the kids that bullied, mobbed and picked on him. They were killed! Accusing kids that were shot is political suicide.</p><p>So you need a scapegoat. Without one, people keep looking for a reason. If you can present one, you have a reason and people stop looking.</p><p>So, what could we use? We need something our voters don't understand, won't miss if we outlaw it, and it would be nice if it's something their kids do and they don't approve of.</p><p>And since the music industry has the better lobbyists...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This takes a while to explain.In Germany , too , there were killing sprees in schools .
And just like everywhere , people were scrambling to find a reason.Well , if you ask me , when you look for reasons , look where the sprees happen : In schools .
Would you go to a school if you went on a rampage with the goal to kill people ?
I 'd use the subway on a monday morning .
Or the shopping mall right before Christmas .
WAY more people to mow down.They were not rampages .
That was simply and plainly acts of revenge .
Revenge for years of bullying , revenge for years of ( preceived or real ) favorism of teachers , revenge for being outcast , revenge for being picked on.But you ca n't blame the kids that bullied , mobbed and picked on him .
They were killed !
Accusing kids that were shot is political suicide.So you need a scapegoat .
Without one , people keep looking for a reason .
If you can present one , you have a reason and people stop looking.So , what could we use ?
We need something our voters do n't understand , wo n't miss if we outlaw it , and it would be nice if it 's something their kids do and they do n't approve of.And since the music industry has the better lobbyists.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This takes a while to explain.In Germany, too, there were killing sprees in schools.
And just like everywhere, people were scrambling to find a reason.Well, if you ask me, when you look for reasons, look where the sprees happen: In schools.
Would you go to a school if you went on a rampage with the goal to kill people?
I'd use the subway on a monday morning.
Or the shopping mall right before Christmas.
WAY more people to mow down.They were not rampages.
That was simply and plainly acts of revenge.
Revenge for years of bullying, revenge for years of (preceived or real) favorism of teachers, revenge for being outcast, revenge for being picked on.But you can't blame the kids that bullied, mobbed and picked on him.
They were killed!
Accusing kids that were shot is political suicide.So you need a scapegoat.
Without one, people keep looking for a reason.
If you can present one, you have a reason and people stop looking.So, what could we use?
We need something our voters don't understand, won't miss if we outlaw it, and it would be nice if it's something their kids do and they don't approve of.And since the music industry has the better lobbyists...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386025</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28400321</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245493560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is that they don't use this against copyright infringment.  A list of sites where you can (illegaly) download music and movies, now that would be useful.</p><p>But don't worry, not only will ego-shooters follow shortly, BVMI and VUT (german equivalent to RIAA) are already lobbying the gov't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that they do n't use this against copyright infringment .
A list of sites where you can ( illegaly ) download music and movies , now that would be useful.But do n't worry , not only will ego-shooters follow shortly , BVMI and VUT ( german equivalent to RIAA ) are already lobbying the gov't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that they don't use this against copyright infringment.
A list of sites where you can (illegaly) download music and movies, now that would be useful.But don't worry, not only will ego-shooters follow shortly, BVMI and VUT (german equivalent to RIAA) are already lobbying the gov't.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386195</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386217</id>
	<title>Re:Don't they get attacked for those lies?</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245355140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because "you lied" is a very slippery slope attack for politicians. Every politician lied at some point, and when someone opens that venue, he will get replies likewise.</p><p>For the same reason you don't get to see politicians using the promises of their opponents from years past against them. Have you ever wondered why no party ever used the slogans of their opponents against them (as in "see what they promised you last election and now think what you got")?</p><p>Maybe because the last thing they want is the voter to remember <i>their</i> promises and their lies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because " you lied " is a very slippery slope attack for politicians .
Every politician lied at some point , and when someone opens that venue , he will get replies likewise.For the same reason you do n't get to see politicians using the promises of their opponents from years past against them .
Have you ever wondered why no party ever used the slogans of their opponents against them ( as in " see what they promised you last election and now think what you got " ) ? Maybe because the last thing they want is the voter to remember their promises and their lies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because "you lied" is a very slippery slope attack for politicians.
Every politician lied at some point, and when someone opens that venue, he will get replies likewise.For the same reason you don't get to see politicians using the promises of their opponents from years past against them.
Have you ever wondered why no party ever used the slogans of their opponents against them (as in "see what they promised you last election and now think what you got")?Maybe because the last thing they want is the voter to remember their promises and their lies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385849</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386335</id>
	<title>Re:What Might Have Been</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245442560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I rather wonder what atrocities could have been avoided if some people had a virtual outlet for their delusions of grandeur or their sadistic drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I rather wonder what atrocities could have been avoided if some people had a virtual outlet for their delusions of grandeur or their sadistic drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rather wonder what atrocities could have been avoided if some people had a virtual outlet for their delusions of grandeur or their sadistic drive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28388723</id>
	<title>Law is illegal according to the german constitutio</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1245421200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This law will be sacked by the courts in no time, it is clearly unconstitutional. The german constitution prohibits censorship!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This law will be sacked by the courts in no time , it is clearly unconstitutional .
The german constitution prohibits censorship !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This law will be sacked by the courts in no time, it is clearly unconstitutional.
The german constitution prohibits censorship!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28388073</id>
	<title>Anon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245417840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The German article doesn't cover the counter-strike story. Where does that remark come from?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The German article does n't cover the counter-strike story .
Where does that remark come from ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The German article doesn't cover the counter-strike story.
Where does that remark come from?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386293</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245442200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Australian\_government\_secret\_ACMA\_internet\_censorship\_blacklist" title="wikileaks.org" rel="nofollow">http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Australian\_government\_secret\_ACMA\_internet\_censorship\_blacklist</a> [wikileaks.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //wikileaks.org/wiki/Australian \ _government \ _secret \ _ACMA \ _internet \ _censorship \ _blacklist [ wikileaks.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Australian\_government\_secret\_ACMA\_internet\_censorship\_blacklist [wikileaks.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28387263</id>
	<title>Re:History repeats itself.....</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1245410100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><blockquote><div><p>"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation"</p></div></blockquote><p>

I'll leave you to guess who I'm quoting.</p></div></blockquote><p>Oscar Wilde?  No, sounds more like Mae West.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people .
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children , the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation " I 'll leave you to guess who I 'm quoting.Oscar Wilde ?
No , sounds more like Mae West .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation"

I'll leave you to guess who I'm quoting.Oscar Wilde?
No, sounds more like Mae West.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386137</id>
	<title>How long until the blacklist will be on wikileaks?</title>
	<author>rrohbeck</author>
	<datestamp>1245354360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>3 days? One week?</p><p>And it's only DNS based AFAIK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>3 days ?
One week ? And it 's only DNS based AFAIK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3 days?
One week?And it's only DNS based AFAIK.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385845</id>
	<title>Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245351360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Once the legislation passes, police officials will have to draw up a list of web sites that feature child pornography and send the list to all telecommunications companies."

Might as well just make the list public knowledge. Anyone with the inclination to view the material will be able to find it easier with any list made.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Once the legislation passes , police officials will have to draw up a list of web sites that feature child pornography and send the list to all telecommunications companies .
" Might as well just make the list public knowledge .
Anyone with the inclination to view the material will be able to find it easier with any list made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Once the legislation passes, police officials will have to draw up a list of web sites that feature child pornography and send the list to all telecommunications companies.
"

Might as well just make the list public knowledge.
Anyone with the inclination to view the material will be able to find it easier with any list made.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386913</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1245405960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've not read your history books, it seems.</p><p>Hitler's first steps in power were not to start war. It took him six years to attack Poland, even though he had always planned to do that.</p><p>What he did during those six years was consolidate his power by silencing dissenting voices. Censorship was one of the methods. Control of the media was another one.</p><p>Our german parliament has revived both of these yesterday.</p><p>Which means that no, we're not yet in a totalitarian state, but yes, the groundworks are being laid (again).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've not read your history books , it seems.Hitler 's first steps in power were not to start war .
It took him six years to attack Poland , even though he had always planned to do that.What he did during those six years was consolidate his power by silencing dissenting voices .
Censorship was one of the methods .
Control of the media was another one.Our german parliament has revived both of these yesterday.Which means that no , we 're not yet in a totalitarian state , but yes , the groundworks are being laid ( again ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've not read your history books, it seems.Hitler's first steps in power were not to start war.
It took him six years to attack Poland, even though he had always planned to do that.What he did during those six years was consolidate his power by silencing dissenting voices.
Censorship was one of the methods.
Control of the media was another one.Our german parliament has revived both of these yesterday.Which means that no, we're not yet in a totalitarian state, but yes, the groundworks are being laid (again).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386195</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245354900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder whether they have been thinking this through to the end. It's a surefire way for backfiring.</p><p>Face it, the list <b>will</b> get out sooner or later. You have to hand that list to people you can't trust and who most likely do not agree with the censorship. I give it 2-3 weeks before you can read it up on wikileaks (for reference, see Australia). Then the minister for the interor can choose whether she wants to be pummeled from the right (if there is anything right of the CSU) or the left.</p><p>The right will clobber her for handing the pedos basically a shopping list.</p><p>The left will clobber her for listing sites that have nothing to do with child pornography but end up there for "questionable" (read: political) content.</p><p>In any way, this is certain to backfire on her. I wonder if she has any idea what she's doing here.</p><p>Not that I wouldn't want her to get kicked out of office, mind you...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder whether they have been thinking this through to the end .
It 's a surefire way for backfiring.Face it , the list will get out sooner or later .
You have to hand that list to people you ca n't trust and who most likely do not agree with the censorship .
I give it 2-3 weeks before you can read it up on wikileaks ( for reference , see Australia ) .
Then the minister for the interor can choose whether she wants to be pummeled from the right ( if there is anything right of the CSU ) or the left.The right will clobber her for handing the pedos basically a shopping list.The left will clobber her for listing sites that have nothing to do with child pornography but end up there for " questionable " ( read : political ) content.In any way , this is certain to backfire on her .
I wonder if she has any idea what she 's doing here.Not that I would n't want her to get kicked out of office , mind you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder whether they have been thinking this through to the end.
It's a surefire way for backfiring.Face it, the list will get out sooner or later.
You have to hand that list to people you can't trust and who most likely do not agree with the censorship.
I give it 2-3 weeks before you can read it up on wikileaks (for reference, see Australia).
Then the minister for the interor can choose whether she wants to be pummeled from the right (if there is anything right of the CSU) or the left.The right will clobber her for handing the pedos basically a shopping list.The left will clobber her for listing sites that have nothing to do with child pornography but end up there for "questionable" (read: political) content.In any way, this is certain to backfire on her.
I wonder if she has any idea what she's doing here.Not that I wouldn't want her to get kicked out of office, mind you...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385773</id>
	<title>First GNAA Post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245350760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fail it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fail it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fail it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28388989</id>
	<title>Virgin Killer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245422400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Once the legislation passes, police officials will have to draw up a list of Web sites that feature child pornography and send the list to all telecommunications companies.</p></div></blockquote><p>Does that mean they'll block access to Wikipedia for displaying the cover of The Scorpions <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin\_Killer" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Virgin Killer</a> [wikipedia.org]?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once the legislation passes , police officials will have to draw up a list of Web sites that feature child pornography and send the list to all telecommunications companies.Does that mean they 'll block access to Wikipedia for displaying the cover of The Scorpions Virgin Killer [ wikipedia.org ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once the legislation passes, police officials will have to draw up a list of Web sites that feature child pornography and send the list to all telecommunications companies.Does that mean they'll block access to Wikipedia for displaying the cover of The Scorpions Virgin Killer [wikipedia.org]?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28390465</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>baKanale</author>
	<datestamp>1245428460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If we shut them down <i>then</i> how are we supposed to justify our filter, eh smartypants?  Jeez, it's like you <i>want</i> free speech or something.  Freak.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If we shut them down then how are we supposed to justify our filter , eh smartypants ?
Jeez , it 's like you want free speech or something .
Freak .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If we shut them down then how are we supposed to justify our filter, eh smartypants?
Jeez, it's like you want free speech or something.
Freak.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386371</id>
	<title>So let me get this straight ...</title>
	<author>asifyoucare</author>
	<datestamp>1245442800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The German government, like almost all governments, goes to great expense to train hundreds of thousands of people to kill other people, and requires them to use real weapons and live ammunition. Yet, they want to ban violent video games because THAT might lead to actual violence.</p><p>Yeah, makes sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The German government , like almost all governments , goes to great expense to train hundreds of thousands of people to kill other people , and requires them to use real weapons and live ammunition .
Yet , they want to ban violent video games because THAT might lead to actual violence.Yeah , makes sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The German government, like almost all governments, goes to great expense to train hundreds of thousands of people to kill other people, and requires them to use real weapons and live ammunition.
Yet, they want to ban violent video games because THAT might lead to actual violence.Yeah, makes sense.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386285</id>
	<title>it always work, even in the US</title>
	<author>aepervius</author>
	<datestamp>1245442140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I eman, let us have a look at COPA and other similar dumb stuff, or gay mariage law. it is all about politic making something useless but targeted at their audience to look as if they did something useful. Since most people don't look past the face value... But here I think this is mostly because people did not even knew about that law. I talked about my colleagues on this in germany. None <b>KNEW</b> about that law. But even when I talked about it to them, they could not care less. Why ? They never use child porn, never use porn, or "violent" video game. I mean, those are the same people which wanted to forbid PAINT BALL.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I eman , let us have a look at COPA and other similar dumb stuff , or gay mariage law .
it is all about politic making something useless but targeted at their audience to look as if they did something useful .
Since most people do n't look past the face value... But here I think this is mostly because people did not even knew about that law .
I talked about my colleagues on this in germany .
None KNEW about that law .
But even when I talked about it to them , they could not care less .
Why ?
They never use child porn , never use porn , or " violent " video game .
I mean , those are the same people which wanted to forbid PAINT BALL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I eman, let us have a look at COPA and other similar dumb stuff, or gay mariage law.
it is all about politic making something useless but targeted at their audience to look as if they did something useful.
Since most people don't look past the face value... But here I think this is mostly because people did not even knew about that law.
I talked about my colleagues on this in germany.
None KNEW about that law.
But even when I talked about it to them, they could not care less.
Why ?
They never use child porn, never use porn, or "violent" video game.
I mean, those are the same people which wanted to forbid PAINT BALL.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28388673</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>Stan92057</author>
	<datestamp>1245421020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The blocks will be keeping the pedophiles from using theses sites,i guess thats the main idea, cant use the site cant post the kiddie porn. Actually i think they shouldn't stop them, That will allow them to find them easier and put them away</htmltext>
<tokenext>The blocks will be keeping the pedophiles from using theses sites,i guess thats the main idea , cant use the site cant post the kiddie porn .
Actually i think they should n't stop them , That will allow them to find them easier and put them away</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The blocks will be keeping the pedophiles from using theses sites,i guess thats the main idea, cant use the site cant post the kiddie porn.
Actually i think they shouldn't stop them, That will allow them to find them easier and put them away</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386469</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1245443700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Might as well just make the list public knowledge. Anyone with the inclination to view the material will be able to find it easier with any list made.</p></div><p>Easy solution: the list of places with child porn will not be shown to anyone.  The telecoms will just have to block those sites on the secret list without seeing the list.  Is that too much to ask to protect our children?!?  JESUS CHRIST WHY WON'T YOU PEOPLE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Might as well just make the list public knowledge .
Anyone with the inclination to view the material will be able to find it easier with any list made.Easy solution : the list of places with child porn will not be shown to anyone .
The telecoms will just have to block those sites on the secret list without seeing the list .
Is that too much to ask to protect our children ? ! ?
JESUS CHRIST WHY WO N'T YOU PEOPLE THINK OF THE CHILDREN ? !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Might as well just make the list public knowledge.
Anyone with the inclination to view the material will be able to find it easier with any list made.Easy solution: the list of places with child porn will not be shown to anyone.
The telecoms will just have to block those sites on the secret list without seeing the list.
Is that too much to ask to protect our children?!?
JESUS CHRIST WHY WON'T YOU PEOPLE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!
?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386039</id>
	<title>U.S. readers, take note</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245353520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please consider this: Just one really egregious kiddieporn case could result in similar legislation here. How many politicians dare to vote against ForTheChildren legislation? Throw in right wing militia, terrorist, and "hate" sites in general for the win.<br> <br>I think I'm preaching to the choir here, but other than<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. readers, how many people really care? DMCA? Patriot Act? ACTA secrecy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please consider this : Just one really egregious kiddieporn case could result in similar legislation here .
How many politicians dare to vote against ForTheChildren legislation ?
Throw in right wing militia , terrorist , and " hate " sites in general for the win .
I think I 'm preaching to the choir here , but other than / .
readers , how many people really care ?
DMCA ? Patriot Act ?
ACTA secrecy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please consider this: Just one really egregious kiddieporn case could result in similar legislation here.
How many politicians dare to vote against ForTheChildren legislation?
Throw in right wing militia, terrorist, and "hate" sites in general for the win.
I think I'm preaching to the choir here, but other than /.
readers, how many people really care?
DMCA? Patriot Act?
ACTA secrecy?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385975</id>
	<title>History repeats itself.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245352920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation"<br>
<br>
I'll leave you to guess who I'm quoting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people .
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children , the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation " I 'll leave you to guess who I 'm quoting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people.
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation"

I'll leave you to guess who I'm quoting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386029</id>
	<title>proof of system failure</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1245353460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you still needed proof that our political system is crap, this is it.</p><p>The vast majority of politicians who voted "yes" on this topic could not even explain the base technologies if you asked them. Nor do they understand how their censorship law works, or what its consequences are. <i>Despite having this pointed out to them repeatedly.</i></p><p>It's becoming rapidly clear, especially with the economic crisis happening at the same time, that we're ruled by people who're simply not good at ruling, nor much else for that matter. Their expertise is in politics, i.e. getting into power, not in anything that matters once you are in power.</p><p>If anyone shoots them all, I'll be there to applaud. And yes, I write that with my name on it. These people have nothing to lose and they act like it. While I'm not for violence, I'm starting to believe that at least the danger of violence and personal consequences is required or else our politicians will destroy us all - or, if you think about climate change, kill us all.</p><p>Funny how it takes but weeks to throw billions at mismanaged banks, but it's taken years and no end in sight to agree on matters vital to the survival of the damn planet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you still needed proof that our political system is crap , this is it.The vast majority of politicians who voted " yes " on this topic could not even explain the base technologies if you asked them .
Nor do they understand how their censorship law works , or what its consequences are .
Despite having this pointed out to them repeatedly.It 's becoming rapidly clear , especially with the economic crisis happening at the same time , that we 're ruled by people who 're simply not good at ruling , nor much else for that matter .
Their expertise is in politics , i.e .
getting into power , not in anything that matters once you are in power.If anyone shoots them all , I 'll be there to applaud .
And yes , I write that with my name on it .
These people have nothing to lose and they act like it .
While I 'm not for violence , I 'm starting to believe that at least the danger of violence and personal consequences is required or else our politicians will destroy us all - or , if you think about climate change , kill us all.Funny how it takes but weeks to throw billions at mismanaged banks , but it 's taken years and no end in sight to agree on matters vital to the survival of the damn planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you still needed proof that our political system is crap, this is it.The vast majority of politicians who voted "yes" on this topic could not even explain the base technologies if you asked them.
Nor do they understand how their censorship law works, or what its consequences are.
Despite having this pointed out to them repeatedly.It's becoming rapidly clear, especially with the economic crisis happening at the same time, that we're ruled by people who're simply not good at ruling, nor much else for that matter.
Their expertise is in politics, i.e.
getting into power, not in anything that matters once you are in power.If anyone shoots them all, I'll be there to applaud.
And yes, I write that with my name on it.
These people have nothing to lose and they act like it.
While I'm not for violence, I'm starting to believe that at least the danger of violence and personal consequences is required or else our politicians will destroy us all - or, if you think about climate change, kill us all.Funny how it takes but weeks to throw billions at mismanaged banks, but it's taken years and no end in sight to agree on matters vital to the survival of the damn planet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386151</id>
	<title>Re:History repeats itself.....</title>
	<author>SBFCOblivion</author>
	<datestamp>1245354540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That quote is only half true <a href="http://sydwalker.info/blog/2008/12/08/having-fun-falsifying-history/" title="sydwalker.info" rel="nofollow">according to this guy</a> [sydwalker.info].</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That quote is only half true according to this guy [ sydwalker.info ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That quote is only half true according to this guy [sydwalker.info].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386445</id>
	<title>Re:Quick, extend this law to Tetris</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1245443520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That wasn't an L block!  This is an L block:</p><p>###<br>#</p><p>Tetris pieces (Tetrinos?) have only 4 blocks.</p><p>Had this not been slashdot, that would have been excusable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was n't an L block !
This is an L block : # # # # Tetris pieces ( Tetrinos ?
) have only 4 blocks.Had this not been slashdot , that would have been excusable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That wasn't an L block!
This is an L block:####Tetris pieces (Tetrinos?
) have only 4 blocks.Had this not been slashdot, that would have been excusable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28398143</id>
	<title>Re:proof of system failure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245420540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm starting to believe that at least the danger of violence and personal consequences is required</p></div><p> Now you see why we need those anti-terrorism laws? The terrorists of the future won't have foreign names and scare the people. They will have our names and scare the politicians. And rightly so.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm starting to believe that at least the danger of violence and personal consequences is required Now you see why we need those anti-terrorism laws ?
The terrorists of the future wo n't have foreign names and scare the people .
They will have our names and scare the politicians .
And rightly so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm starting to believe that at least the danger of violence and personal consequences is required Now you see why we need those anti-terrorism laws?
The terrorists of the future won't have foreign names and scare the people.
They will have our names and scare the politicians.
And rightly so.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28387513</id>
	<title>Seeing child porn worse than producing it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245413160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is why politicians never even mention the latter.</p><p>Makes sense, no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is why politicians never even mention the latter.Makes sense , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is why politicians never even mention the latter.Makes sense, no?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386019</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245353400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I loved your thought and I am very pleased with it and did not like to add anything to it.<br>================<br>John Assam<br><a href="http://www.canadian-merchant-account-services.com/merchant-fees-case-studies.html" title="canadian-m...rvices.com" rel="nofollow">Canadian Merchant Account</a> [canadian-m...rvices.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I loved your thought and I am very pleased with it and did not like to add anything to it. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = John AssamCanadian Merchant Account [ canadian-m...rvices.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I loved your thought and I am very pleased with it and did not like to add anything to it.================John AssamCanadian Merchant Account [canadian-m...rvices.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386169</id>
	<title>Re:Don't they get attacked for those lies?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245354720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>.What stops a politician from the "opposite" side from simply stating:</em></p><p><em>"I'm against this law because you'll use it to cover more content than discussed. We all see your lies."</em></p><p>The sad truth is that gemany has a grand coalition (of stupidity) at this time. And in addition even many MPs not in this coalition are to scared to vote that way, least the "child molester" meme rubs off on them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.What stops a politician from the " opposite " side from simply stating : " I 'm against this law because you 'll use it to cover more content than discussed .
We all see your lies .
" The sad truth is that gemany has a grand coalition ( of stupidity ) at this time .
And in addition even many MPs not in this coalition are to scared to vote that way , least the " child molester " meme rubs off on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.What stops a politician from the "opposite" side from simply stating:"I'm against this law because you'll use it to cover more content than discussed.
We all see your lies.
"The sad truth is that gemany has a grand coalition (of stupidity) at this time.
And in addition even many MPs not in this coalition are to scared to vote that way, least the "child molester" meme rubs off on them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28389485</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245424380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It raised an uproar, especially in Germany"</p><p>Interesting. I didn't notice any of that. And I live in Germany.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It raised an uproar , especially in Germany " Interesting .
I did n't notice any of that .
And I live in Germany .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It raised an uproar, especially in Germany"Interesting.
I didn't notice any of that.
And I live in Germany.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386291</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245442140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My sister-in-law is German, and mentioned that Germans have a very hard time showing national pride even two generations after the Nazi regime commited their atrocities.  I wonder how much longer people who had nothing to do with such acts will have to atone for the faults of their ancestors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My sister-in-law is German , and mentioned that Germans have a very hard time showing national pride even two generations after the Nazi regime commited their atrocities .
I wonder how much longer people who had nothing to do with such acts will have to atone for the faults of their ancestors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My sister-in-law is German, and mentioned that Germans have a very hard time showing national pride even two generations after the Nazi regime commited their atrocities.
I wonder how much longer people who had nothing to do with such acts will have to atone for the faults of their ancestors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386551</id>
	<title>Bye bye vatican.com then</title>
	<author>ghostdoc</author>
	<datestamp>1245444480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an organisation convicted of serial child abuse affecting thousands of children over decades by a government largely sympathetic to it, the Roman Catholic Church will obviously be a large feature on any blacklist intending to protect children.</p><p>source: <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8060442.stm" title="bbc.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8060442.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk] amongst others.</p><p>But, clearly, it won't. Until it does, there is nothing in any of these laws that is protecting children and any proponents of them are clearly immorally using 'think of the children' as a cover.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an organisation convicted of serial child abuse affecting thousands of children over decades by a government largely sympathetic to it , the Roman Catholic Church will obviously be a large feature on any blacklist intending to protect children.source : http : //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8060442.stm [ bbc.co.uk ] amongst others.But , clearly , it wo n't .
Until it does , there is nothing in any of these laws that is protecting children and any proponents of them are clearly immorally using 'think of the children ' as a cover .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an organisation convicted of serial child abuse affecting thousands of children over decades by a government largely sympathetic to it, the Roman Catholic Church will obviously be a large feature on any blacklist intending to protect children.source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8060442.stm [bbc.co.uk] amongst others.But, clearly, it won't.
Until it does, there is nothing in any of these laws that is protecting children and any proponents of them are clearly immorally using 'think of the children' as a cover.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28387073</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245407940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's because national pride is associated with war mongering in Germany.<br>And No, it was not Hitler.<br>It was Kaiser who raised this jingoism.<br>Since 1890s, whenever the Germans &amp; their Kaiser had rattled their swords and talked about raining death on France, the other countries laughed at them and thought it was a joke.<br>Not for the french. For them it was a terrifying truth.<br>In 1917 the Germans came very, very close to achieving this aim. While the tanks may have threatened them, it did not make them flee. What did them was the same thing that did them in WW2: Reserves.<br>They simply did not have the depth of reserves that France had in 1917 and later Russia in 1942.<br>So, most the populace of Germany was involved in the war effort.<br>Plus add to the fact that the Germans have been known as humorless people for long (Germans are the perfect Vulcans: emotionless).<br>Even today German products (like Hidelberg) are hghly appreciated, but Germans are not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because national pride is associated with war mongering in Germany.And No , it was not Hitler.It was Kaiser who raised this jingoism.Since 1890s , whenever the Germans &amp; their Kaiser had rattled their swords and talked about raining death on France , the other countries laughed at them and thought it was a joke.Not for the french .
For them it was a terrifying truth.In 1917 the Germans came very , very close to achieving this aim .
While the tanks may have threatened them , it did not make them flee .
What did them was the same thing that did them in WW2 : Reserves.They simply did not have the depth of reserves that France had in 1917 and later Russia in 1942.So , most the populace of Germany was involved in the war effort.Plus add to the fact that the Germans have been known as humorless people for long ( Germans are the perfect Vulcans : emotionless ) .Even today German products ( like Hidelberg ) are hghly appreciated , but Germans are not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because national pride is associated with war mongering in Germany.And No, it was not Hitler.It was Kaiser who raised this jingoism.Since 1890s, whenever the Germans &amp; their Kaiser had rattled their swords and talked about raining death on France, the other countries laughed at them and thought it was a joke.Not for the french.
For them it was a terrifying truth.In 1917 the Germans came very, very close to achieving this aim.
While the tanks may have threatened them, it did not make them flee.
What did them was the same thing that did them in WW2: Reserves.They simply did not have the depth of reserves that France had in 1917 and later Russia in 1942.So, most the populace of Germany was involved in the war effort.Plus add to the fact that the Germans have been known as humorless people for long (Germans are the perfect Vulcans: emotionless).Even today German products (like Hidelberg) are hghly appreciated, but Germans are not.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386911</id>
	<title>Re:Quick, extend this law to Tetris</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1245405960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Extend it to notepad and Microsoft Word!<br> <br>(\_(\_)#####D~ and illegal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Extend it to notepad and Microsoft Word !
( \ _ ( \ _ ) # # # # # D ~ and illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Extend it to notepad and Microsoft Word!
(\_(\_)#####D~ and illegal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385889</id>
	<title>What Might Have Been</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245352020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If only Germany had protected its citizens from violent video games in the 1930's, imagine how many lives would have been saved!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If only Germany had protected its citizens from violent video games in the 1930 's , imagine how many lives would have been saved !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If only Germany had protected its citizens from violent video games in the 1930's, imagine how many lives would have been saved!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28392409</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245436860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How can it possibly <i>not</i> leak? After all, you can do an oracle attack on any censorship of this form.</p><p>By essentially brute-force searching the entire 32-bit IP space and every registered domain name from the root-servers.net down, from a test point and a control point, on a pair of suitably fast internet connections over the course of a few weeks, you can determine if someone's censoring you. This sounds daunting, but really it's almost within the range of any random script kiddy now, let alone a serious researcher.</p><p>Obviously, you don't use nslookup() for this. Something event-based can easily do hundreds of lookups per second even on a DSL line, millions per second on a decent connection.</p><p>Simply examine the different responses for discrepancies (make sure you keep the TTLs of the packets!) and analyse more closely with a second pass, explicitly testing for common signs of the filter when you learn what they are, or recording HTTP headers (i.e., one's a 200, but the censored one returns a 404) and you can easily reverse-engineer the list.</p><p>It's easy to determine the difference between DNS round-robin and anycast (two most common false-positives), and something more nefarious like a transparent proxy, BGP/RIP/ARP poisoning, or lying DNS server.</p><p>Yes, this technique works. And it works well.</p><p>For the interested, so far the Internet Watch Foundation in the UK haven't listed anything on the list used by BT's "Cleanfeed" system since the research started that's an obvious false positive from the domain name (<i>except</i>, of course, that time they listed Wikipedia). Quite a lot of the list looks rather like domain names used in spam, or domain names used in XSS or malicious code attacks. But the next time they screw up (and they will), you'll know about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How can it possibly not leak ?
After all , you can do an oracle attack on any censorship of this form.By essentially brute-force searching the entire 32-bit IP space and every registered domain name from the root-servers.net down , from a test point and a control point , on a pair of suitably fast internet connections over the course of a few weeks , you can determine if someone 's censoring you .
This sounds daunting , but really it 's almost within the range of any random script kiddy now , let alone a serious researcher.Obviously , you do n't use nslookup ( ) for this .
Something event-based can easily do hundreds of lookups per second even on a DSL line , millions per second on a decent connection.Simply examine the different responses for discrepancies ( make sure you keep the TTLs of the packets !
) and analyse more closely with a second pass , explicitly testing for common signs of the filter when you learn what they are , or recording HTTP headers ( i.e. , one 's a 200 , but the censored one returns a 404 ) and you can easily reverse-engineer the list.It 's easy to determine the difference between DNS round-robin and anycast ( two most common false-positives ) , and something more nefarious like a transparent proxy , BGP/RIP/ARP poisoning , or lying DNS server.Yes , this technique works .
And it works well.For the interested , so far the Internet Watch Foundation in the UK have n't listed anything on the list used by BT 's " Cleanfeed " system since the research started that 's an obvious false positive from the domain name ( except , of course , that time they listed Wikipedia ) .
Quite a lot of the list looks rather like domain names used in spam , or domain names used in XSS or malicious code attacks .
But the next time they screw up ( and they will ) , you 'll know about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can it possibly not leak?
After all, you can do an oracle attack on any censorship of this form.By essentially brute-force searching the entire 32-bit IP space and every registered domain name from the root-servers.net down, from a test point and a control point, on a pair of suitably fast internet connections over the course of a few weeks, you can determine if someone's censoring you.
This sounds daunting, but really it's almost within the range of any random script kiddy now, let alone a serious researcher.Obviously, you don't use nslookup() for this.
Something event-based can easily do hundreds of lookups per second even on a DSL line, millions per second on a decent connection.Simply examine the different responses for discrepancies (make sure you keep the TTLs of the packets!
) and analyse more closely with a second pass, explicitly testing for common signs of the filter when you learn what they are, or recording HTTP headers (i.e., one's a 200, but the censored one returns a 404) and you can easily reverse-engineer the list.It's easy to determine the difference between DNS round-robin and anycast (two most common false-positives), and something more nefarious like a transparent proxy, BGP/RIP/ARP poisoning, or lying DNS server.Yes, this technique works.
And it works well.For the interested, so far the Internet Watch Foundation in the UK haven't listed anything on the list used by BT's "Cleanfeed" system since the research started that's an obvious false positive from the domain name (except, of course, that time they listed Wikipedia).
Quite a lot of the list looks rather like domain names used in spam, or domain names used in XSS or malicious code attacks.
But the next time they screw up (and they will), you'll know about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28393829</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>toriver</author>
	<datestamp>1245442320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, in case you missed it, it is precisely people who think of the children we want to stop!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , in case you missed it , it is precisely people who think of the children we want to stop !
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, in case you missed it, it is precisely people who think of the children we want to stop!
:P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386541</id>
	<title>Re:What Might Have Been</title>
	<author>Swanktastic</author>
	<datestamp>1245444420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you know that there's a direct correlation between the decline of Spirograph and the rise in gang activity?</p><p>Think about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you know that there 's a direct correlation between the decline of Spirograph and the rise in gang activity ? Think about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you know that there's a direct correlation between the decline of Spirograph and the rise in gang activity?Think about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386383</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245442920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't even know what most of that means. Are you sane?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't even know what most of that means .
Are you sane ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't even know what most of that means.
Are you sane?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386037</id>
	<title>Re:History repeats itself.....</title>
	<author>naeone</author>
	<datestamp>1245353520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>stalin?, pol pot?

  damn I am all out of tyrants.</htmltext>
<tokenext>stalin ? , pol pot ?
damn I am all out of tyrants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>stalin?, pol pot?
damn I am all out of tyrants.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386027</id>
	<title>Re:History repeats itself.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245353460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mein Kampf; the Ralph Manheim translation published by Houghton-Mifflin, 1943. pg 403.</p><p>Still no Godwin<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mein Kampf ; the Ralph Manheim translation published by Houghton-Mifflin , 1943. pg 403.Still no Godwin : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mein Kampf; the Ralph Manheim translation published by Houghton-Mifflin, 1943. pg 403.Still no Godwin :-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386849</id>
	<title>Re:How long until the blacklist will be on wikilea</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1245405300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, it is.</p><p>We need instructions on using OpenDNS posted to the daily evening news. If someone can accomplish that, in whatever way, he'll be my personal hero.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it is.We need instructions on using OpenDNS posted to the daily evening news .
If someone can accomplish that , in whatever way , he 'll be my personal hero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it is.We need instructions on using OpenDNS posted to the daily evening news.
If someone can accomplish that, in whatever way, he'll be my personal hero.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28388355</id>
	<title>Re:The mods are asleep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245419520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We will show these NAZIs how sick they are by raping our children!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We will show these NAZIs how sick they are by raping our children !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We will show these NAZIs how sick they are by raping our children!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28393231</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245440220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same is true for every thing we learn from the mass media - human trafficking, drug trade, illegal immigration, prostitution, gambling. Any fight they claim to be fighting that names no exact enemy is FOR the $cause, not against it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same is true for every thing we learn from the mass media - human trafficking , drug trade , illegal immigration , prostitution , gambling .
Any fight they claim to be fighting that names no exact enemy is FOR the $ cause , not against it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same is true for every thing we learn from the mass media - human trafficking, drug trade, illegal immigration, prostitution, gambling.
Any fight they claim to be fighting that names no exact enemy is FOR the $cause, not against it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385815</id>
	<title>'straya</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245351120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is exactly why we have to ensure this never happens in Australia, even if the government wants to push ahead. Viva la revolution?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly why we have to ensure this never happens in Australia , even if the government wants to push ahead .
Viva la revolution ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly why we have to ensure this never happens in Australia, even if the government wants to push ahead.
Viva la revolution?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386157</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>gweihir</author>
	<datestamp>1245354540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>"Once the legislation passes, police officials will have to draw up a list of web sites that feature child pornography and send the list to all telecommunications companies." Might as well just make the list public knowledge. Anyone with the inclination to view the material will be able to find it easier with any list made.</em></p><p>Incidentially this is one of the criticisms that practically all experts had. The experts were all ignored. One of the reasons some people now believe (and I tend in that direction) that this law is not about protecting children at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Once the legislation passes , police officials will have to draw up a list of web sites that feature child pornography and send the list to all telecommunications companies .
" Might as well just make the list public knowledge .
Anyone with the inclination to view the material will be able to find it easier with any list made.Incidentially this is one of the criticisms that practically all experts had .
The experts were all ignored .
One of the reasons some people now believe ( and I tend in that direction ) that this law is not about protecting children at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Once the legislation passes, police officials will have to draw up a list of web sites that feature child pornography and send the list to all telecommunications companies.
" Might as well just make the list public knowledge.
Anyone with the inclination to view the material will be able to find it easier with any list made.Incidentially this is one of the criticisms that practically all experts had.
The experts were all ignored.
One of the reasons some people now believe (and I tend in that direction) that this law is not about protecting children at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385845</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386343</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>Logic and Reason</author>
	<datestamp>1245442620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...many German politicians swore up and down that they had excercised the Ghost of Hitler.</p></div><p>Why would they want to do that? Do ghosts even need exercise?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...many German politicians swore up and down that they had excercised the Ghost of Hitler.Why would they want to do that ?
Do ghosts even need exercise ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...many German politicians swore up and down that they had excercised the Ghost of Hitler.Why would they want to do that?
Do ghosts even need exercise?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385901</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386093</id>
	<title>Re:Quick, extend this law to Tetris</title>
	<author>agw</author>
	<datestamp>1245353880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some German magazine was quicker. Latest cover:</p><p><a href="http://www.titanic-magazin.de/uploads/pics/0612-tetris.jpg" title="titanic-magazin.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.titanic-magazin.de/uploads/pics/0612-tetris.jpg</a> [titanic-magazin.de]<br>("25 years of tetris: Who stops this killer game?")</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some German magazine was quicker .
Latest cover : http : //www.titanic-magazin.de/uploads/pics/0612-tetris.jpg [ titanic-magazin.de ] ( " 25 years of tetris : Who stops this killer game ?
" )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some German magazine was quicker.
Latest cover:http://www.titanic-magazin.de/uploads/pics/0612-tetris.jpg [titanic-magazin.de]("25 years of tetris: Who stops this killer game?
")</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385813</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28387435</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1245412080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because they're not actually interested in eliminating kiddie porn, or protecting children, or any of the other reasons they're giving.</p><p>If they were, what you say is exactly what they'd do. When the discussion started, some activist picked the danish block list and called up or mailed all german ISPs that hosted a site listed on that list.<br>Surprise, almost all of them got shut down, and very quickly.</p><p>Incidently, "delete instead of block" is the motto of the counter-movement - <a href="http://loeschenstattsperren.de/" title="loeschenstattsperren.de">http://loeschenstattsperren.de/</a> [loeschenstattsperren.de]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they 're not actually interested in eliminating kiddie porn , or protecting children , or any of the other reasons they 're giving.If they were , what you say is exactly what they 'd do .
When the discussion started , some activist picked the danish block list and called up or mailed all german ISPs that hosted a site listed on that list.Surprise , almost all of them got shut down , and very quickly.Incidently , " delete instead of block " is the motto of the counter-movement - http : //loeschenstattsperren.de/ [ loeschenstattsperren.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they're not actually interested in eliminating kiddie porn, or protecting children, or any of the other reasons they're giving.If they were, what you say is exactly what they'd do.
When the discussion started, some activist picked the danish block list and called up or mailed all german ISPs that hosted a site listed on that list.Surprise, almost all of them got shut down, and very quickly.Incidently, "delete instead of block" is the motto of the counter-movement - http://loeschenstattsperren.de/ [loeschenstattsperren.de]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386229</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386191</id>
	<title>There's no censorship in Germany</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245354900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Germany is a free and open society and doesn't require censorship. Our leaders are wise and rightful.</p><p>---</p><p>corrected version, publication approved by C102211 on 19.06.2009</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Germany is a free and open society and does n't require censorship .
Our leaders are wise and rightful.---corrected version , publication approved by C102211 on 19.06.2009</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Germany is a free and open society and doesn't require censorship.
Our leaders are wise and rightful.---corrected version, publication approved by C102211 on 19.06.2009</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28390971</id>
	<title>Re:Quick, extend this law to Tetris</title>
	<author>cheftw</author>
	<datestamp>1245430680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No tetris blocks are like that.</p><p>Please leave my internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No tetris blocks are like that.Please leave my internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No tetris blocks are like that.Please leave my internet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385813</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386123</id>
	<title>Re:Dr.Goebbels would love this</title>
	<author>node 3</author>
	<datestamp>1245354240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>German politicians are treading the thinnest line possible between Liberty and Hitler.</p></div><p>Because banning video games is just a thin line's-crossing away from Naziism...</p><p>I'm pretty sure the next steps away from liberty after banning violent games don't involve invading neighboring nations, forcing ethnic and religious groups to wear specific symbols, rounding them up and killing them, and what not.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>German politicians are treading the thinnest line possible between Liberty and Hitler.Because banning video games is just a thin line 's-crossing away from Naziism...I 'm pretty sure the next steps away from liberty after banning violent games do n't involve invading neighboring nations , forcing ethnic and religious groups to wear specific symbols , rounding them up and killing them , and what not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>German politicians are treading the thinnest line possible between Liberty and Hitler.Because banning video games is just a thin line's-crossing away from Naziism...I'm pretty sure the next steps away from liberty after banning violent games don't involve invading neighboring nations, forcing ethnic and religious groups to wear specific symbols, rounding them up and killing them, and what not.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28385901</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28393391</id>
	<title>Re:Quick, extend this law to Tetris</title>
	<author>Ajaxamander</author>
	<datestamp>1245440760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Back in the Mac System 7 days, I had a game called "Quayle's Tetris" and I believe it was exactly what you're describing.  Here's the best I can do wrt a link:

<a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=\%22quayle's+tetris\%22&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=\%22quayle's+tetris\%22&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi=</a> [google.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the Mac System 7 days , I had a game called " Quayle 's Tetris " and I believe it was exactly what you 're describing .
Here 's the best I can do wrt a link : http : //www.google.com/search ? hl = en&amp;q = \ % 22quayle 's + tetris \ % 22&amp;aq = f&amp;oq = &amp;aqi = [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the Mac System 7 days, I had a game called "Quayle's Tetris" and I believe it was exactly what you're describing.
Here's the best I can do wrt a link:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=\%22quayle's+tetris\%22&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=&amp;aqi= [google.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28388001</id>
	<title>The real problem</title>
	<author>Licenser</author>
	<datestamp>1245417300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real problem isn't even censoring internet sites with illegal content - technically I'm not even sure that can be called censorship - hence bringing a drug dealer to court isn't censorship either. The problem is the NOT bringing anything to court.

Here in germany we're (sadly only supposed) to have the 'govermental' power divided in three tiers, those who make the laws, those who decide / interpret the laws (judges and courts), and those who execute the laws (the police).

The main problem with this new law is that those who execute the law, the police, who put up a site on the block list, is also the power that interprets the law since they decide which site is blocked and which isn't. To come back to the example with drug dealers, this would equal the police shooting people on sight because they think they are drug dealers and this being legal.

The problem is not blocking websides that are illegal, the problem is that there no judge, no court, will ever see the sites and get to give a judgement if the site is actually illegal or not. The list is secret and there isn't even a mechanism that controlls the list once it is in place.

So as I see it: Blocking sites with illegal conten't (in this case child pornography) is not censorship but it is carrying out a law. But doing it WITHOUT a court and a judge, without making the process transperent, without the chance of a side to defend themselfs if the claims are false, that is a kind of censorship that is worthy the finest dictatorships.

Best regards,
Licenser - a very very annoyed german.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem is n't even censoring internet sites with illegal content - technically I 'm not even sure that can be called censorship - hence bringing a drug dealer to court is n't censorship either .
The problem is the NOT bringing anything to court .
Here in germany we 're ( sadly only supposed ) to have the 'govermental ' power divided in three tiers , those who make the laws , those who decide / interpret the laws ( judges and courts ) , and those who execute the laws ( the police ) .
The main problem with this new law is that those who execute the law , the police , who put up a site on the block list , is also the power that interprets the law since they decide which site is blocked and which is n't .
To come back to the example with drug dealers , this would equal the police shooting people on sight because they think they are drug dealers and this being legal .
The problem is not blocking websides that are illegal , the problem is that there no judge , no court , will ever see the sites and get to give a judgement if the site is actually illegal or not .
The list is secret and there is n't even a mechanism that controlls the list once it is in place .
So as I see it : Blocking sites with illegal conte n't ( in this case child pornography ) is not censorship but it is carrying out a law .
But doing it WITHOUT a court and a judge , without making the process transperent , without the chance of a side to defend themselfs if the claims are false , that is a kind of censorship that is worthy the finest dictatorships .
Best regards , Licenser - a very very annoyed german .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem isn't even censoring internet sites with illegal content - technically I'm not even sure that can be called censorship - hence bringing a drug dealer to court isn't censorship either.
The problem is the NOT bringing anything to court.
Here in germany we're (sadly only supposed) to have the 'govermental' power divided in three tiers, those who make the laws, those who decide / interpret the laws (judges and courts), and those who execute the laws (the police).
The main problem with this new law is that those who execute the law, the police, who put up a site on the block list, is also the power that interprets the law since they decide which site is blocked and which isn't.
To come back to the example with drug dealers, this would equal the police shooting people on sight because they think they are drug dealers and this being legal.
The problem is not blocking websides that are illegal, the problem is that there no judge, no court, will ever see the sites and get to give a judgement if the site is actually illegal or not.
The list is secret and there isn't even a mechanism that controlls the list once it is in place.
So as I see it: Blocking sites with illegal conten't (in this case child pornography) is not censorship but it is carrying out a law.
But doing it WITHOUT a court and a judge, without making the process transperent, without the chance of a side to defend themselfs if the claims are false, that is a kind of censorship that is worthy the finest dictatorships.
Best regards,
Licenser - a very very annoyed german.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386221</id>
	<title>Re:But what next?</title>
	<author>gweihir</author>
	<datestamp>1245441600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>It indeed may be able to reduce the amount of child porn watched in Germany.</em></p><p>The current expert consent is that it will have zero effect. These will be DNS blocks which are trivially circumvented by using a different DNS server. You could use an open DNS server in a different country or simply run your own resolving server.</p><p><em>The thing I'm worried about is the fact that once you started censoring something, the threshold to censor something else falls. Once you have started, you may easily start censoring some other things, just like those killer games that were mentioned. First the porn, then the games and what next?</em></p><p>Pretty much anybody with some Internet competence is convinced that this is exactly the intention behind this law. Also there are plans to record anybody trying to access a blocked website and start investigating them (read: storm their homes, confiscate all thier computer equipment and telling the neighbours you are a likely a child-pornography consumer), since "they tried to access child pornography", which is a crime in Germany. Looks like an effort to establish a reign of fear. I predict that offering commercial anonymity proxies for webbrowsing to germans could be a good business in the next few years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It indeed may be able to reduce the amount of child porn watched in Germany.The current expert consent is that it will have zero effect .
These will be DNS blocks which are trivially circumvented by using a different DNS server .
You could use an open DNS server in a different country or simply run your own resolving server.The thing I 'm worried about is the fact that once you started censoring something , the threshold to censor something else falls .
Once you have started , you may easily start censoring some other things , just like those killer games that were mentioned .
First the porn , then the games and what next ? Pretty much anybody with some Internet competence is convinced that this is exactly the intention behind this law .
Also there are plans to record anybody trying to access a blocked website and start investigating them ( read : storm their homes , confiscate all thier computer equipment and telling the neighbours you are a likely a child-pornography consumer ) , since " they tried to access child pornography " , which is a crime in Germany .
Looks like an effort to establish a reign of fear .
I predict that offering commercial anonymity proxies for webbrowsing to germans could be a good business in the next few years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It indeed may be able to reduce the amount of child porn watched in Germany.The current expert consent is that it will have zero effect.
These will be DNS blocks which are trivially circumvented by using a different DNS server.
You could use an open DNS server in a different country or simply run your own resolving server.The thing I'm worried about is the fact that once you started censoring something, the threshold to censor something else falls.
Once you have started, you may easily start censoring some other things, just like those killer games that were mentioned.
First the porn, then the games and what next?Pretty much anybody with some Internet competence is convinced that this is exactly the intention behind this law.
Also there are plans to record anybody trying to access a blocked website and start investigating them (read: storm their homes, confiscate all thier computer equipment and telling the neighbours you are a likely a child-pornography consumer), since "they tried to access child pornography", which is a crime in Germany.
Looks like an effort to establish a reign of fear.
I predict that offering commercial anonymity proxies for webbrowsing to germans could be a good business in the next few years.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28393803</id>
	<title>Re:But what next?</title>
	<author>HTH NE1</author>
	<datestamp>1245442260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now they get to see a big STOP sign. What will they do?</p></div><p>According to TFA, they can just click through it:</p><blockquote><div><p>Internet users will still be able to access child pornography sites even after the stop sign appears, but they will have to <b>click through the warning</b>, which informs them that viewing child pornography is a crime.</p></div></blockquote><p>Of course, I'd expect just hitting the sign once will be enough to get you on a watch list.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now they get to see a big STOP sign .
What will they do ? According to TFA , they can just click through it : Internet users will still be able to access child pornography sites even after the stop sign appears , but they will have to click through the warning , which informs them that viewing child pornography is a crime.Of course , I 'd expect just hitting the sign once will be enough to get you on a watch list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now they get to see a big STOP sign.
What will they do?According to TFA, they can just click through it:Internet users will still be able to access child pornography sites even after the stop sign appears, but they will have to click through the warning, which informs them that viewing child pornography is a crime.Of course, I'd expect just hitting the sign once will be enough to get you on a watch list.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28397137</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>DeadMonkey321</author>
	<datestamp>1245412740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One of the reasons some people now believe (and I tend in that direction) that this law is not about protecting children at all.</p></div><p>Well yeah obviously. The general rule is, if you want a law passed immediately and without complaint, you somehow relate to child porn of "protecting the children". People who want to download child porn are such a minority that it doesn't make sense to censor the internet for the other 99.9\% of the country who aren't pedo-bears. However, by saying this internet filter is up there to save those precious children's souls they are pretty much guaranteed a free ride to put up whatever they want. After all, if anyone objects you just slander them as proponents of child porn, and no politician would risk being the target of those red scare tactics.

I'm pretty sure radical conservatives could get a wall erected on the US-Mexico border in like two weeks if they said that it was there to keep child porn-smuggling gang leaders out of our country.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the reasons some people now believe ( and I tend in that direction ) that this law is not about protecting children at all.Well yeah obviously .
The general rule is , if you want a law passed immediately and without complaint , you somehow relate to child porn of " protecting the children " .
People who want to download child porn are such a minority that it does n't make sense to censor the internet for the other 99.9 \ % of the country who are n't pedo-bears .
However , by saying this internet filter is up there to save those precious children 's souls they are pretty much guaranteed a free ride to put up whatever they want .
After all , if anyone objects you just slander them as proponents of child porn , and no politician would risk being the target of those red scare tactics .
I 'm pretty sure radical conservatives could get a wall erected on the US-Mexico border in like two weeks if they said that it was there to keep child porn-smuggling gang leaders out of our country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the reasons some people now believe (and I tend in that direction) that this law is not about protecting children at all.Well yeah obviously.
The general rule is, if you want a law passed immediately and without complaint, you somehow relate to child porn of "protecting the children".
People who want to download child porn are such a minority that it doesn't make sense to censor the internet for the other 99.9\% of the country who aren't pedo-bears.
However, by saying this internet filter is up there to save those precious children's souls they are pretty much guaranteed a free ride to put up whatever they want.
After all, if anyone objects you just slander them as proponents of child porn, and no politician would risk being the target of those red scare tactics.
I'm pretty sure radical conservatives could get a wall erected on the US-Mexico border in like two weeks if they said that it was there to keep child porn-smuggling gang leaders out of our country.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28386025</id>
	<title>Honestly</title>
	<author>acehole</author>
	<datestamp>1245353400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the deal with these people? What is their major problem with video games? Did their digital mothers get spawn camped and teabagged when they were children?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the deal with these people ?
What is their major problem with video games ?
Did their digital mothers get spawn camped and teabagged when they were children ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the deal with these people?
What is their major problem with video games?
Did their digital mothers get spawn camped and teabagged when they were children?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_047252.28396893</id>
	<title>Re:Locks only keep honest people honest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245411360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I hear that proverb a lot, but it is not actually true. Honest people don't try to break in other people's homes in the first place. That's why you don't need to lock your door in small villages in the middle of nowhere, you're statistically speaking so far away from the nearest dishonest person that it doesn't matter. No, the function of locks is twofold. Firstly, they make lazy dishonest people consider doing something else, and secondly they force burglars to pick the lock (scratching it), kicking in a window or door, or something like that, supplying a reasonable proof of break-in to your insurance company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear that proverb a lot , but it is not actually true .
Honest people do n't try to break in other people 's homes in the first place .
That 's why you do n't need to lock your door in small villages in the middle of nowhere , you 're statistically speaking so far away from the nearest dishonest person that it does n't matter .
No , the function of locks is twofold .
Firstly , they make lazy dishonest people consider doing something else , and secondly they force burglars to pick the lock ( scratching it ) , kicking in a window or door , or something like that , supplying a reasonable proof of break-in to your insurance company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear that proverb a lot, but it is not actually true.
Honest people don't try to break in other people's homes in the first place.
That's why you don't need to lock your door in small villages in the middle of nowhere, you're statistically speaking so far away from the nearest dishonest person that it doesn't matter.
No, the function of locks is twofold.
Firstly, they make lazy dishonest people consider doing something else, and secondly they force burglars to pick the lock (scratching it), kicking in a window or door, or something like that, supplying a reasonable proof of break-in to your insurance company.</sentencetext>
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