<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_18_2043242</id>
	<title>Proposed Canadian Law Would Allow Warrantless Searches</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1245315480000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"A bill introduced by Canada's Minister of Public Safety <a href="http://www.news1130.com/more.jsp?content=20090617\_213536\_8084">will allow police to (warrantlessly) force ISPs to provide access</a> to any requested digital traffic records, reports News 1130. Police lobbied for the bill as means of 'combatting gangsters, pedophiles, or terrorists,' but apparently they find the legal principles of judicial review and probable cause, as well as a <a href="http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/1.html#codese:8">constitutional provision against 'unreasonable search or seizure'</a>, to be too much of a hassle, and would rather be able to search anyone's web or e-mail traffic at their own discretion and without any oversight. All in the name of public safety, of course."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " A bill introduced by Canada 's Minister of Public Safety will allow police to ( warrantlessly ) force ISPs to provide access to any requested digital traffic records , reports News 1130 .
Police lobbied for the bill as means of 'combatting gangsters , pedophiles , or terrorists, ' but apparently they find the legal principles of judicial review and probable cause , as well as a constitutional provision against 'unreasonable search or seizure ' , to be too much of a hassle , and would rather be able to search anyone 's web or e-mail traffic at their own discretion and without any oversight .
All in the name of public safety , of course .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "A bill introduced by Canada's Minister of Public Safety will allow police to (warrantlessly) force ISPs to provide access to any requested digital traffic records, reports News 1130.
Police lobbied for the bill as means of 'combatting gangsters, pedophiles, or terrorists,' but apparently they find the legal principles of judicial review and probable cause, as well as a constitutional provision against 'unreasonable search or seizure', to be too much of a hassle, and would rather be able to search anyone's web or e-mail traffic at their own discretion and without any oversight.
All in the name of public safety, of course.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383515</id>
	<title>Golden Opportunity!</title>
	<author>IonOtter</author>
	<datestamp>1245331920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See?  Nobody here has any sense of VISION!</p><p>Don't protest this?  PROMOTE IT!</p><p><i>Then apply to be a police officer.</i></p><p>You'll get in, don't worry.  Its very easy!</p><p>You now have carte-blanche to "examine" the ISP records of <b>every single pubic official</b>, without any oversight or them having any legal recourse.  I also imagine that once the ISP's figure out what you're up to, you'll have their most eager and FULL cooperation.</p><p>They'll probably even give you a secure VPN tunnel to Wikileaks.</p><p>As for what happens to the law afterwards, don't worry?  Once the people get done lynching all the thieves, rapists and pedophiles in the government, there won't BE a government and they'll have to start over.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See ?
Nobody here has any sense of VISION ! Do n't protest this ?
PROMOTE IT ! Then apply to be a police officer.You 'll get in , do n't worry .
Its very easy ! You now have carte-blanche to " examine " the ISP records of every single pubic official , without any oversight or them having any legal recourse .
I also imagine that once the ISP 's figure out what you 're up to , you 'll have their most eager and FULL cooperation.They 'll probably even give you a secure VPN tunnel to Wikileaks.As for what happens to the law afterwards , do n't worry ?
Once the people get done lynching all the thieves , rapists and pedophiles in the government , there wo n't BE a government and they 'll have to start over .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See?
Nobody here has any sense of VISION!Don't protest this?
PROMOTE IT!Then apply to be a police officer.You'll get in, don't worry.
Its very easy!You now have carte-blanche to "examine" the ISP records of every single pubic official, without any oversight or them having any legal recourse.
I also imagine that once the ISP's figure out what you're up to, you'll have their most eager and FULL cooperation.They'll probably even give you a secure VPN tunnel to Wikileaks.As for what happens to the law afterwards, don't worry?
Once the people get done lynching all the thieves, rapists and pedophiles in the government, there won't BE a government and they'll have to start over.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380547</id>
	<title>Children</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245319200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Think of the children, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think of the children , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think of the children, eh?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381119</id>
	<title>Re:Why so surprised?</title>
	<author>JobyOne</author>
	<datestamp>1245321420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The internet is a public domain, huh?  I can't tell if you're a troll so I'll answer in all seriousness.<br> <br>

The internet is primarily a communication tool, right?  So are private gatherings, phones, snail mail, etc.  How would you feel if the man were allowed to peer into those without oversight?  The police reading your email or tracking what you do online is ultimately no different from tracking what you do on the phone or in your own home.  You have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and that must be respected if we want to live in a free society.<br> <br>

P.S. I'm an upstanding citizen and really do have nothing to hide, it's a matter of principle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The internet is a public domain , huh ?
I ca n't tell if you 're a troll so I 'll answer in all seriousness .
The internet is primarily a communication tool , right ?
So are private gatherings , phones , snail mail , etc .
How would you feel if the man were allowed to peer into those without oversight ?
The police reading your email or tracking what you do online is ultimately no different from tracking what you do on the phone or in your own home .
You have a reasonable expectation of privacy , and that must be respected if we want to live in a free society .
P.S. I 'm an upstanding citizen and really do have nothing to hide , it 's a matter of principle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The internet is a public domain, huh?
I can't tell if you're a troll so I'll answer in all seriousness.
The internet is primarily a communication tool, right?
So are private gatherings, phones, snail mail, etc.
How would you feel if the man were allowed to peer into those without oversight?
The police reading your email or tracking what you do online is ultimately no different from tracking what you do on the phone or in your own home.
You have a reasonable expectation of privacy, and that must be respected if we want to live in a free society.
P.S. I'm an upstanding citizen and really do have nothing to hide, it's a matter of principle.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380655</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381755</id>
	<title>Re:What specifically should constitute unreasonabl</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1245324180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And the police/government are so reliable that they <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/08/22/0343217" title="slashdot.org">never</a> [slashdot.org] lose <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/20/2146233" title="slashdot.org">your data</a> [slashdot.org] or let it be <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/08/0213228" title="slashdot.org">stolen</a> [slashdot.org] and put all over the internet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And the police/government are so reliable that they never [ slashdot.org ] lose your data [ slashdot.org ] or let it be stolen [ slashdot.org ] and put all over the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the police/government are so reliable that they never [slashdot.org] lose your data [slashdot.org] or let it be stolen [slashdot.org] and put all over the internet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381095</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380847</id>
	<title>Dudley Do-Right is now Savoir-Faire</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245320340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cause everybody knows Savoir-Faire is everywhere!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cause everybody knows Savoir-Faire is everywhere ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cause everybody knows Savoir-Faire is everywhere!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28384019</id>
	<title>One question...</title>
	<author>The Master Control P</author>
	<datestamp>1245334920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is it that that the gangsters, pedos and turrists who apparently lurk in every corner and shadow, just waiting for a momentary lapse in which they will terrorize, rape and beat you, were thwarted from taking over the world <i>before<i> we threw away the rule of law to "get them"?</i></i></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is it that that the gangsters , pedos and turrists who apparently lurk in every corner and shadow , just waiting for a momentary lapse in which they will terrorize , rape and beat you , were thwarted from taking over the world before we threw away the rule of law to " get them " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is it that that the gangsters, pedos and turrists who apparently lurk in every corner and shadow, just waiting for a momentary lapse in which they will terrorize, rape and beat you, were thwarted from taking over the world before we threw away the rule of law to "get them"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383759</id>
	<title>Re:Easy</title>
	<author>MarkRose</author>
	<datestamp>1245333240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well lets tell them both it's unwanted! Join the protest: <a href="http://www.digitalprivacy.ca/" title="digitalprivacy.ca">http://www.digitalprivacy.ca/</a> [digitalprivacy.ca]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well lets tell them both it 's unwanted !
Join the protest : http : //www.digitalprivacy.ca/ [ digitalprivacy.ca ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well lets tell them both it's unwanted!
Join the protest: http://www.digitalprivacy.ca/ [digitalprivacy.ca]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381167</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381167</id>
	<title>Re:Easy</title>
	<author>twidarkling</author>
	<datestamp>1245321600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't even the first time the bill's been proposed. As another provided a link to a Michael Geist post, this almost exact bill has been proposed by the Liberals previously. The fact that both the Liberals AND Conservatives have proposed it lends credence to your point.</p><p>Further more, even if it WAS a legitimate push, it's only been introduced. The amount of stuff that's introduced and just dies in committee is rather staggering. If this makes it past first vote, I'd be stunned.</p><p>Still writing my rep to let them know my thoughts, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't even the first time the bill 's been proposed .
As another provided a link to a Michael Geist post , this almost exact bill has been proposed by the Liberals previously .
The fact that both the Liberals AND Conservatives have proposed it lends credence to your point.Further more , even if it WAS a legitimate push , it 's only been introduced .
The amount of stuff that 's introduced and just dies in committee is rather staggering .
If this makes it past first vote , I 'd be stunned.Still writing my rep to let them know my thoughts , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't even the first time the bill's been proposed.
As another provided a link to a Michael Geist post, this almost exact bill has been proposed by the Liberals previously.
The fact that both the Liberals AND Conservatives have proposed it lends credence to your point.Further more, even if it WAS a legitimate push, it's only been introduced.
The amount of stuff that's introduced and just dies in committee is rather staggering.
If this makes it past first vote, I'd be stunned.Still writing my rep to let them know my thoughts, though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380893</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381867</id>
	<title>Re:Be reasonable...</title>
	<author>Shark</author>
	<datestamp>1245324720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, no...  I'm an ISP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , no... I 'm an ISP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, no...  I'm an ISP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380601</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28382557</id>
	<title>Scary but a known known</title>
	<author>AHuxley</author>
	<datestamp>1245327960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A story <a href="http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:enWVsPf5lZAJ:www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html\%3Fid\%3D1285658+http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html\%3Fid\%3D1285658&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;client=safari" title="74.125.153.132">http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:enWVsPf5lZAJ:www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html\%3Fid\%3D1285658+http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html\%3Fid\%3D1285658&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;client=safari</a> [74.125.153.132] about this was submitted to slashdot in Feb 2009, it was rejected.<br>  Did not see any interest in the story and thought it was 'over' for Canada back then. Looks like the Canadian Taliban have won.  Your broadband devices will be smashed and hanging from lamp posts and trees.<br>
Become a citizen journalist and talk to your politicians in public.<br>Film them and get it up on youtube.  Always fun to see them try to explain their policies without a teleprompter and a set of tame journalists.<br>Pastor Martin Niemoller's poem is getting filled up again people.<br> <br>
When the Canada's Minister of Public Safety came for the pedophiles,<br>
I remained silent;<br>
I was not a pedophile.<br>
Then they rendered the terrorists,<br>
I remained silent;<br>
I was not a terrorist.<br>
Then they came for the gangsters,<br>
I did not protest;<br>
I was not a gangster.<br>
Then they came for the p2p users,<br>
I did not speak out;<br>
I was not into file sharing programs.<br>
When they came for me,<br>
there was no one left to speak out for me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A story http : //74.125.153.132/search ? q = cache : enWVsPf5lZAJ : www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html \ % 3Fid \ % 3D1285658 + http : //www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html \ % 3Fid \ % 3D1285658&amp;cd = 1&amp;hl = en&amp;ct = clnk&amp;client = safari [ 74.125.153.132 ] about this was submitted to slashdot in Feb 2009 , it was rejected .
Did not see any interest in the story and thought it was 'over ' for Canada back then .
Looks like the Canadian Taliban have won .
Your broadband devices will be smashed and hanging from lamp posts and trees .
Become a citizen journalist and talk to your politicians in public.Film them and get it up on youtube .
Always fun to see them try to explain their policies without a teleprompter and a set of tame journalists.Pastor Martin Niemoller 's poem is getting filled up again people .
When the Canada 's Minister of Public Safety came for the pedophiles , I remained silent ; I was not a pedophile .
Then they rendered the terrorists , I remained silent ; I was not a terrorist .
Then they came for the gangsters , I did not protest ; I was not a gangster .
Then they came for the p2p users , I did not speak out ; I was not into file sharing programs .
When they came for me , there was no one left to speak out for me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A story http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:enWVsPf5lZAJ:www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html\%3Fid\%3D1285658+http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html\%3Fid\%3D1285658&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;client=safari [74.125.153.132] about this was submitted to slashdot in Feb 2009, it was rejected.
Did not see any interest in the story and thought it was 'over' for Canada back then.
Looks like the Canadian Taliban have won.
Your broadband devices will be smashed and hanging from lamp posts and trees.
Become a citizen journalist and talk to your politicians in public.Film them and get it up on youtube.
Always fun to see them try to explain their policies without a teleprompter and a set of tame journalists.Pastor Martin Niemoller's poem is getting filled up again people.
When the Canada's Minister of Public Safety came for the pedophiles,
I remained silent;
I was not a pedophile.
Then they rendered the terrorists,
I remained silent;
I was not a terrorist.
Then they came for the gangsters,
I did not protest;
I was not a gangster.
Then they came for the p2p users,
I did not speak out;
I was not into file sharing programs.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out for me.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381377</id>
	<title>And if your wife</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245322560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>was a policewoman?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>was a policewoman ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>was a policewoman?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381095</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28386069</id>
	<title>help me out...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245353700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why do ISPs keep extensive records anyway?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why do ISPs keep extensive records anyway ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why do ISPs keep extensive records anyway?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28382693</id>
	<title>Re:Easy</title>
	<author>Xelios</author>
	<datestamp>1245328500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't it great how the same bad bill can be reintroduced over and over again until they finally find a group of politicians that will pass it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't it great how the same bad bill can be reintroduced over and over again until they finally find a group of politicians that will pass it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't it great how the same bad bill can be reintroduced over and over again until they finally find a group of politicians that will pass it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381167</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28382053</id>
	<title>Step 1</title>
	<author>phorm</author>
	<datestamp>1245325440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, step 2 will expand on this. Not only that, but I'd imagine that it's not entirely unlikely that we may end up with "Criminal Copyright Infringement" being at some point investigated by the police on behalf of the media companies. So then not only can they get the info of the aforementioned criminals, but all those dirty commie filesharers as well...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , step 2 will expand on this .
Not only that , but I 'd imagine that it 's not entirely unlikely that we may end up with " Criminal Copyright Infringement " being at some point investigated by the police on behalf of the media companies .
So then not only can they get the info of the aforementioned criminals , but all those dirty commie filesharers as well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, step 2 will expand on this.
Not only that, but I'd imagine that it's not entirely unlikely that we may end up with "Criminal Copyright Infringement" being at some point investigated by the police on behalf of the media companies.
So then not only can they get the info of the aforementioned criminals, but all those dirty commie filesharers as well...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28384187</id>
	<title>Maybe we are too mild</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1245335940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>can they introduce a bill to do something football fans dont want, or similar ? they cant. because they fear that there will be rioting, heads will roll, heads will be whacked. same goes with minorities, etc etc.</p><p>you cant do such things, even in the name of public safety, or anything else.</p><p>buuuuut, you can introduce all kinds of shitty legislation to curb internet. you can. because, all they will be doing is protest, send emails and whatnot. all will peacefully shout and yell, politely, send a few mails and go about their business. if you can make a law stick, it will stick, and they will whine on, and do nothing.</p><p>maybe we are too mild.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>can they introduce a bill to do something football fans dont want , or similar ?
they cant .
because they fear that there will be rioting , heads will roll , heads will be whacked .
same goes with minorities , etc etc.you cant do such things , even in the name of public safety , or anything else.buuuuut , you can introduce all kinds of shitty legislation to curb internet .
you can .
because , all they will be doing is protest , send emails and whatnot .
all will peacefully shout and yell , politely , send a few mails and go about their business .
if you can make a law stick , it will stick , and they will whine on , and do nothing.maybe we are too mild .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can they introduce a bill to do something football fans dont want, or similar ?
they cant.
because they fear that there will be rioting, heads will roll, heads will be whacked.
same goes with minorities, etc etc.you cant do such things, even in the name of public safety, or anything else.buuuuut, you can introduce all kinds of shitty legislation to curb internet.
you can.
because, all they will be doing is protest, send emails and whatnot.
all will peacefully shout and yell, politely, send a few mails and go about their business.
if you can make a law stick, it will stick, and they will whine on, and do nothing.maybe we are too mild.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381073</id>
	<title>Applies to proxies?</title>
	<author>davegravy</author>
	<datestamp>1245321300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm wondering if there's a business opportunity here...
<br> <br>
I'm not an IT wizard or lawyer, but supposing one formed a partnership with major ISPs to run high-bandwidth proxy servers just beyond the perimeter of their network backbone. The proxy-server owners wouldn't be "ISP"s by definition, so they wouldn't be subject to data retention or any sort of disclosure laws. Then, ISP customers can have encrypted communications to the proxy, which then travel outwards to the rest of the web in whatever manner.
<br> <br>
The police would only have legal access to the communications that the isp sees which is entirely encrypted.
<br> <br>
Or have they considered this loophole?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm wondering if there 's a business opportunity here.. . I 'm not an IT wizard or lawyer , but supposing one formed a partnership with major ISPs to run high-bandwidth proxy servers just beyond the perimeter of their network backbone .
The proxy-server owners would n't be " ISP " s by definition , so they would n't be subject to data retention or any sort of disclosure laws .
Then , ISP customers can have encrypted communications to the proxy , which then travel outwards to the rest of the web in whatever manner .
The police would only have legal access to the communications that the isp sees which is entirely encrypted .
Or have they considered this loophole ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm wondering if there's a business opportunity here...
 
I'm not an IT wizard or lawyer, but supposing one formed a partnership with major ISPs to run high-bandwidth proxy servers just beyond the perimeter of their network backbone.
The proxy-server owners wouldn't be "ISP"s by definition, so they wouldn't be subject to data retention or any sort of disclosure laws.
Then, ISP customers can have encrypted communications to the proxy, which then travel outwards to the rest of the web in whatever manner.
The police would only have legal access to the communications that the isp sees which is entirely encrypted.
Or have they considered this loophole?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380743</id>
	<title>This is a sad trend</title>
	<author>Klistvud</author>
	<datestamp>1245319920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And it is showing us that civil liberties won't end with a bang, they will end with a pathetic, humiliating trifle. Apparently, we will forfeit our liberties not in order to fight terrorism, AIDS, exploitation, or poverty, but to "protect" some copyrighted content or to prevent some teenager from downloading porn. A really sad way to go, Democracy!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it is showing us that civil liberties wo n't end with a bang , they will end with a pathetic , humiliating trifle .
Apparently , we will forfeit our liberties not in order to fight terrorism , AIDS , exploitation , or poverty , but to " protect " some copyrighted content or to prevent some teenager from downloading porn .
A really sad way to go , Democracy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it is showing us that civil liberties won't end with a bang, they will end with a pathetic, humiliating trifle.
Apparently, we will forfeit our liberties not in order to fight terrorism, AIDS, exploitation, or poverty, but to "protect" some copyrighted content or to prevent some teenager from downloading porn.
A really sad way to go, Democracy!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380933</id>
	<title>Re:I like that phrasing.</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1245320760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Down with the pedophiles! They take away our rights!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Down with the pedophiles !
They take away our rights !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Down with the pedophiles!
They take away our rights!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380775</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380691</id>
	<title>Oblig</title>
	<author>ejdmoo</author>
	<datestamp>1245319740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Obligatory Simpsons Reference:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obligatory Simpsons Reference : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = Qh2sWSVRrmo [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Obligatory Simpsons Reference:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380621</id>
	<title>Come on, people!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245319440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>Do people really hate the police that much? I mean, asking for them to get a WARRANT before they invade your invade your life? Do you have any idea how much of a hassle that is? We should just hand them over every little piece of information about our lives at the drop of a hat! It's the least we can do.<br><br>&lt;/heavy sarcasm&gt;</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do people really hate the police that much ?
I mean , asking for them to get a WARRANT before they invade your invade your life ?
Do you have any idea how much of a hassle that is ?
We should just hand them over every little piece of information about our lives at the drop of a hat !
It 's the least we can do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do people really hate the police that much?
I mean, asking for them to get a WARRANT before they invade your invade your life?
Do you have any idea how much of a hassle that is?
We should just hand them over every little piece of information about our lives at the drop of a hat!
It's the least we can do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28385047</id>
	<title>Re:Be reasonable...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245342780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I am wary of this bill and will be reading the details of it soon, we should not forget that pedophiles do in fact exist and do in fact prey on children.</p><p>I have not read the bill yet but I suspect that when the wrote the warrantless part they had this case in mind:<br><a href="http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2006/11/02/child-abuse.html" title="www.cbc.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2006/11/02/child-abuse.html</a> [www.cbc.ca]</p><p>If you were to officer in this article watching this abuse happen in real time, I could understand wanting to be able to trace the IP to an ISP and phone them up for a name and address.  Perhaps provisions for this already exist, perhaps finding an attorney to convince a judge to issue a warrant does not take to long, but clearly this is a case where the police *should* be able to assess a clear and present danger and act on it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I am wary of this bill and will be reading the details of it soon , we should not forget that pedophiles do in fact exist and do in fact prey on children.I have not read the bill yet but I suspect that when the wrote the warrantless part they had this case in mind : http : //www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2006/11/02/child-abuse.html [ www.cbc.ca ] If you were to officer in this article watching this abuse happen in real time , I could understand wanting to be able to trace the IP to an ISP and phone them up for a name and address .
Perhaps provisions for this already exist , perhaps finding an attorney to convince a judge to issue a warrant does not take to long , but clearly this is a case where the police * should * be able to assess a clear and present danger and act on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I am wary of this bill and will be reading the details of it soon, we should not forget that pedophiles do in fact exist and do in fact prey on children.I have not read the bill yet but I suspect that when the wrote the warrantless part they had this case in mind:http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2006/11/02/child-abuse.html [www.cbc.ca]If you were to officer in this article watching this abuse happen in real time, I could understand wanting to be able to trace the IP to an ISP and phone them up for a name and address.
Perhaps provisions for this already exist, perhaps finding an attorney to convince a judge to issue a warrant does not take to long, but clearly this is a case where the police *should* be able to assess a clear and present danger and act on it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380601</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380781</id>
	<title>George Bush / Orwell Strikes again ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245320040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course I have nothing to hide, therefore you have no reason to be spying on private citizens. You are after all my public servants, from the Prime Minister on down the chain, you are supposed to be representing my interests, not attacking my Rights, and Freedoms. Start representing my interests, and eradicate the Police State mentality out of my Parliament, and Police Forces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course I have nothing to hide , therefore you have no reason to be spying on private citizens .
You are after all my public servants , from the Prime Minister on down the chain , you are supposed to be representing my interests , not attacking my Rights , and Freedoms .
Start representing my interests , and eradicate the Police State mentality out of my Parliament , and Police Forces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course I have nothing to hide, therefore you have no reason to be spying on private citizens.
You are after all my public servants, from the Prime Minister on down the chain, you are supposed to be representing my interests, not attacking my Rights, and Freedoms.
Start representing my interests, and eradicate the Police State mentality out of my Parliament, and Police Forces.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28390453</id>
	<title>Re:Despicable.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245428400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They really do think that way.</p><p>I did some work for the police in Canada once, it involved what I would call invading personal privacy.</p><p>You know what the irony is? I'm not permitted to tell you what the system did, how it invaded privacy or the nature (and extremes) it went to gather/report this information.</p><p>It seems the police consider themselves to be worthy of privacy while citizens aren't entitled to it.</p><p>Ironic, eh?</p><p>While I was there, I looked at one US system that did some-what the same thing, I can assure you the "Police have privacy rights, citizens don't" mentality isn't limited to Canada.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They really do think that way.I did some work for the police in Canada once , it involved what I would call invading personal privacy.You know what the irony is ?
I 'm not permitted to tell you what the system did , how it invaded privacy or the nature ( and extremes ) it went to gather/report this information.It seems the police consider themselves to be worthy of privacy while citizens are n't entitled to it.Ironic , eh ? While I was there , I looked at one US system that did some-what the same thing , I can assure you the " Police have privacy rights , citizens do n't " mentality is n't limited to Canada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They really do think that way.I did some work for the police in Canada once, it involved what I would call invading personal privacy.You know what the irony is?
I'm not permitted to tell you what the system did, how it invaded privacy or the nature (and extremes) it went to gather/report this information.It seems the police consider themselves to be worthy of privacy while citizens aren't entitled to it.Ironic, eh?While I was there, I looked at one US system that did some-what the same thing, I can assure you the "Police have privacy rights, citizens don't" mentality isn't limited to Canada.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380549</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380835</id>
	<title>Re:There goes my pedestal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245320340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the cons want brain drain.....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the cons want brain drain.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the cons want brain drain.....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380737</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383415</id>
	<title>Re:Children</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245331440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes,<br>This was actually part of the reporting I heard on the radio.<br>And I quote: "This is to protect children"</p><p>nuff said.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes,This was actually part of the reporting I heard on the radio.And I quote : " This is to protect children " nuff said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes,This was actually part of the reporting I heard on the radio.And I quote: "This is to protect children"nuff said.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380547</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383905</id>
	<title>Re:a bit more complicated then that....</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245334200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What else do you need? IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx connected to my PC, spill it, who is that bastard?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What else do you need ?
IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx connected to my PC , spill it , who is that bastard ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What else do you need?
IP xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx connected to my PC, spill it, who is that bastard?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380601</id>
	<title>Be reasonable...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245319380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's for the good of the country, you know.  And if you don't support this type of legislation, you must be some sort of "pedophile, terrorist or gangster."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's for the good of the country , you know .
And if you do n't support this type of legislation , you must be some sort of " pedophile , terrorist or gangster .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's for the good of the country, you know.
And if you don't support this type of legislation, you must be some sort of "pedophile, terrorist or gangster.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383633</id>
	<title>Re:Despicable.</title>
	<author>MarkRose</author>
	<datestamp>1245332700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You think so?</p><p>Then please <a href="http://www.digitalprivacy.ca/" title="digitalprivacy.ca">join the protest!</a> [digitalprivacy.ca] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You think so ? Then please join the protest !
[ digitalprivacy.ca ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You think so?Then please join the protest!
[digitalprivacy.ca] </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380549</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381493</id>
	<title>Re:a bit more complicated then that....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245323040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So if a cop wanted information on his ex there would be no trace as to how he got it... Yup no harm done here.... Maybe we should remove the audit trails on government databases as well, just to be safe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So if a cop wanted information on his ex there would be no trace as to how he got it... Yup no harm done here.... Maybe we should remove the audit trails on government databases as well , just to be safe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So if a cop wanted information on his ex there would be no trace as to how he got it... Yup no harm done here.... Maybe we should remove the audit trails on government databases as well, just to be safe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380775</id>
	<title>I like that phrasing.</title>
	<author>Chris Burke</author>
	<datestamp>1245320040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Police lobbied for the bill as means of 'combatting gangsters, pedophiles, or terrorists,'"</p><p>I like that phrasing, it's like they aren't really sure.  "Why do we need these powers?  To combat gangsters, pedophiles... or terrorists, yeah terrorists too.  Or maybe identity thieves?  Whatever makes you turn your brain off and do what we want.  That's why we need them."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Police lobbied for the bill as means of 'combatting gangsters , pedophiles , or terrorists, ' " I like that phrasing , it 's like they are n't really sure .
" Why do we need these powers ?
To combat gangsters , pedophiles... or terrorists , yeah terrorists too .
Or maybe identity thieves ?
Whatever makes you turn your brain off and do what we want .
That 's why we need them .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Police lobbied for the bill as means of 'combatting gangsters, pedophiles, or terrorists,'"I like that phrasing, it's like they aren't really sure.
"Why do we need these powers?
To combat gangsters, pedophiles... or terrorists, yeah terrorists too.
Or maybe identity thieves?
Whatever makes you turn your brain off and do what we want.
That's why we need them.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381433</id>
	<title>Re:Children</title>
	<author>cbiltcliffe</author>
	<datestamp>1245322800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ya, hoser!<br>Think of the bacon, eh!</p><p>Oh, yeah...</p><p>And the beer.</p><p>Hoser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ya , hoser ! Think of the bacon , eh ! Oh , yeah...And the beer.Hoser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ya, hoser!Think of the bacon, eh!Oh, yeah...And the beer.Hoser.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380547</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381213</id>
	<title>Re:Easy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245321840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That being said, please do, write your politicians, let them know their thoughts.</i></p><p>And use, extra, commas, too. Just, in, case.</p><p>And instead of letting them know their thoughts, let them know yours instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That being said , please do , write your politicians , let them know their thoughts.And use , extra , commas , too .
Just , in , case.And instead of letting them know their thoughts , let them know yours instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That being said, please do, write your politicians, let them know their thoughts.And use, extra, commas, too.
Just, in, case.And instead of letting them know their thoughts, let them know yours instead.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380893</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380663</id>
	<title>That's it, I'm moving to ...</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1245319620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cana<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... oh, ummm, crap, now I'm in trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cana ... oh , ummm , crap , now I 'm in trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cana ... oh, ummm, crap, now I'm in trouble.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381081</id>
	<title>Re:I like that phrasing.</title>
	<author>Rycross</author>
	<datestamp>1245321300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its gotten to the point where I'm inherently distrustful of anyone that claims to want to protect me from terrorists, or want to protect children.  It's like code-words for "I want to introduce some legislation that violates your rights, and have to make this palatable."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its gotten to the point where I 'm inherently distrustful of anyone that claims to want to protect me from terrorists , or want to protect children .
It 's like code-words for " I want to introduce some legislation that violates your rights , and have to make this palatable .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its gotten to the point where I'm inherently distrustful of anyone that claims to want to protect me from terrorists, or want to protect children.
It's like code-words for "I want to introduce some legislation that violates your rights, and have to make this palatable.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380775</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380631</id>
	<title>Re:Be reasonable...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245319500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why yes, only those with something to hide have anything to fear!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why yes , only those with something to hide have anything to fear !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why yes, only those with something to hide have anything to fear!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380601</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380863</id>
	<title>It's not like...</title>
	<author>Sibko</author>
	<datestamp>1245320400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Gray says the public doesn't need to worry about invasion of privacy because getting information from an ISP is only one small step in an investigation. She also says it's not like police knock down doors as soon as they have a name connected to an Internet address.</p></div><p>
What??? That is EXACTLY what happens when the police don't need warrants.
<br> <br>
This bill makes it possible for it to happen, with no safeguards whatsoever. A well intentioned, but poorly thought-out piece of legislation that gives the police far too much power.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gray says the public does n't need to worry about invasion of privacy because getting information from an ISP is only one small step in an investigation .
She also says it 's not like police knock down doors as soon as they have a name connected to an Internet address .
What ? ? ? That is EXACTLY what happens when the police do n't need warrants .
This bill makes it possible for it to happen , with no safeguards whatsoever .
A well intentioned , but poorly thought-out piece of legislation that gives the police far too much power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gray says the public doesn't need to worry about invasion of privacy because getting information from an ISP is only one small step in an investigation.
She also says it's not like police knock down doors as soon as they have a name connected to an Internet address.
What??? That is EXACTLY what happens when the police don't need warrants.
This bill makes it possible for it to happen, with no safeguards whatsoever.
A well intentioned, but poorly thought-out piece of legislation that gives the police far too much power.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381595</id>
	<title>Canadian Fascism Strong and Not Free</title>
	<author>itsybitsy</author>
	<datestamp>1245323460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yikes, these people think they rule the world or part of it anyway. I hereby revoke their right to do this. If they implement this they become the State Based Terrorists that they themselves fear!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yikes , these people think they rule the world or part of it anyway .
I hereby revoke their right to do this .
If they implement this they become the State Based Terrorists that they themselves fear !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yikes, these people think they rule the world or part of it anyway.
I hereby revoke their right to do this.
If they implement this they become the State Based Terrorists that they themselves fear!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381897</id>
	<title>What I see as the real problem</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1245324840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real problem with getting a warrent in many cases is that while there may be strong indications that something is going on, there is nothing that a judge would consider probable cause.</p><p>This can even extend to siuations where it is clear to someone technically inclined that someone is involved in probably illicit digital traffic but it is not at all clear to someone less technical.  This comes up with botnets and compromized computers - you see a computer hammering away at sending spam or a brute-force attack.  It is clear from simply looking at traffic statistics that something is going on.  Is this cause for someone to take action?  Usually not, because there is no "real world" evidence of this other than some ephemeral digital indication, which isn't good enough.</p><p>Requiring physical, real-world "probable cause" in order to examine digital information would seem to be a sure guarantee that there is no digital crime.  Since it can't be identified, it therefore doesn't exist.  And I am sure there are plenty of judges that cannot conceive of anything beyond physical, real world probable cause and will not grant a warrant based on anything digital at all.</p><p>I do find this interesting that this comes up on the same day as an article about Sweden's court rejecting IP identification.  Clearly nobody knows what is going on and the courts in different places are utterly lost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real problem with getting a warrent in many cases is that while there may be strong indications that something is going on , there is nothing that a judge would consider probable cause.This can even extend to siuations where it is clear to someone technically inclined that someone is involved in probably illicit digital traffic but it is not at all clear to someone less technical .
This comes up with botnets and compromized computers - you see a computer hammering away at sending spam or a brute-force attack .
It is clear from simply looking at traffic statistics that something is going on .
Is this cause for someone to take action ?
Usually not , because there is no " real world " evidence of this other than some ephemeral digital indication , which is n't good enough.Requiring physical , real-world " probable cause " in order to examine digital information would seem to be a sure guarantee that there is no digital crime .
Since it ca n't be identified , it therefore does n't exist .
And I am sure there are plenty of judges that can not conceive of anything beyond physical , real world probable cause and will not grant a warrant based on anything digital at all.I do find this interesting that this comes up on the same day as an article about Sweden 's court rejecting IP identification .
Clearly nobody knows what is going on and the courts in different places are utterly lost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real problem with getting a warrent in many cases is that while there may be strong indications that something is going on, there is nothing that a judge would consider probable cause.This can even extend to siuations where it is clear to someone technically inclined that someone is involved in probably illicit digital traffic but it is not at all clear to someone less technical.
This comes up with botnets and compromized computers - you see a computer hammering away at sending spam or a brute-force attack.
It is clear from simply looking at traffic statistics that something is going on.
Is this cause for someone to take action?
Usually not, because there is no "real world" evidence of this other than some ephemeral digital indication, which isn't good enough.Requiring physical, real-world "probable cause" in order to examine digital information would seem to be a sure guarantee that there is no digital crime.
Since it can't be identified, it therefore doesn't exist.
And I am sure there are plenty of judges that cannot conceive of anything beyond physical, real world probable cause and will not grant a warrant based on anything digital at all.I do find this interesting that this comes up on the same day as an article about Sweden's court rejecting IP identification.
Clearly nobody knows what is going on and the courts in different places are utterly lost.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381425</id>
	<title>Re:Easy</title>
	<author>BabyDuckHat</author>
	<datestamp>1245322740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, you may not be far off.  It's a common tactic to propose a bill that actually asks for far more than you want.  That gives the opposition the chance to gut it or to come together for a sunshine-time compromise, while still allowing what you really wanted to get passed.<br>
<br>
EvilPerson1: <i>How can I make it legal to beat people with boards?</i> <br>
EvilPerson1: "I propose we give law-enforcement the authority to pull off peoples ears with with pilers and beat them with boards with nails in them."<br>
EvilPerson2: "Objection!  That's just barbaric!"<br>
EvilPerson1: "Fine, let's compromise:  They can't do the pliers thing, but they can still hit them with boards."<br>
EvilPerson2: "Getting there, but I'm still not comfortable with the nails."<br>
EvilPerson1: "You wimp.  Fine, no nails." <i>Sucker.</i> <br>
EvilPerson2: "That's better."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , you may not be far off .
It 's a common tactic to propose a bill that actually asks for far more than you want .
That gives the opposition the chance to gut it or to come together for a sunshine-time compromise , while still allowing what you really wanted to get passed .
EvilPerson1 : How can I make it legal to beat people with boards ?
EvilPerson1 : " I propose we give law-enforcement the authority to pull off peoples ears with with pilers and beat them with boards with nails in them .
" EvilPerson2 : " Objection !
That 's just barbaric !
" EvilPerson1 : " Fine , let 's compromise : They ca n't do the pliers thing , but they can still hit them with boards .
" EvilPerson2 : " Getting there , but I 'm still not comfortable with the nails .
" EvilPerson1 : " You wimp .
Fine , no nails .
" Sucker .
EvilPerson2 : " That 's better .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, you may not be far off.
It's a common tactic to propose a bill that actually asks for far more than you want.
That gives the opposition the chance to gut it or to come together for a sunshine-time compromise, while still allowing what you really wanted to get passed.
EvilPerson1: How can I make it legal to beat people with boards?
EvilPerson1: "I propose we give law-enforcement the authority to pull off peoples ears with with pilers and beat them with boards with nails in them.
"
EvilPerson2: "Objection!
That's just barbaric!
"
EvilPerson1: "Fine, let's compromise:  They can't do the pliers thing, but they can still hit them with boards.
"
EvilPerson2: "Getting there, but I'm still not comfortable with the nails.
"
EvilPerson1: "You wimp.
Fine, no nails.
" Sucker.
EvilPerson2: "That's better.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380893</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28382687</id>
	<title>Re:Come on, people!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245328500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And Ben Franklin before him, and some english parliamentarian before him (circa judge blackstone's era, I think.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Ben Franklin before him , and some english parliamentarian before him ( circa judge blackstone 's era , I think .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Ben Franklin before him, and some english parliamentarian before him (circa judge blackstone's era, I think.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381381</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380721</id>
	<title>Welcome Big Brother</title>
	<author>tmbailey123</author>
	<datestamp>1245319860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>enough said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>enough said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>enough said.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28393333</id>
	<title>Re:Be reasonable...</title>
	<author>BurningTyger</author>
	<datestamp>1245440520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here are 2 words for you: "Citation Needed". Give me a reputable newsource that reported what you said above. I live in Canada, and have a few friends living in Calgary. I've never heard such things.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here are 2 words for you : " Citation Needed " .
Give me a reputable newsource that reported what you said above .
I live in Canada , and have a few friends living in Calgary .
I 've never heard such things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here are 2 words for you: "Citation Needed".
Give me a reputable newsource that reported what you said above.
I live in Canada, and have a few friends living in Calgary.
I've never heard such things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28382159</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381205</id>
	<title>Sing it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245321840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Blame Canada!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blame Canada !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blame Canada!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383913</id>
	<title>Re:Why so surprised?</title>
	<author>Halborr</author>
	<datestamp>1245334200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm... How is the internet a public domain if the information lies on [disks in] privately-owned servers?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm... How is the internet a public domain if the information lies on [ disks in ] privately-owned servers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm... How is the internet a public domain if the information lies on [disks in] privately-owned servers?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380655</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28391955</id>
	<title>Re:Canadian Fascism Strong and Not Free</title>
	<author>RealGrouchy</author>
	<datestamp>1245435000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If they implement this they become the State Based Terrorists that they themselves fear!</p></div><p>The only thing they fear about crime and terrorism is if it were to go away, because they'd have no more scapegoat to inflate their power.</p><p>Hence whey the Conservatives always introduce so-called "tough-on-crime" legislation at the end of the session, or at other times where it will be voted down or die on the order paper, so that they can claim they tried to fight crime, but the Liberals prevented them and therefore they need a majority government to protect us from all the Bad People.</p><p>- RG&gt;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they implement this they become the State Based Terrorists that they themselves fear ! The only thing they fear about crime and terrorism is if it were to go away , because they 'd have no more scapegoat to inflate their power.Hence whey the Conservatives always introduce so-called " tough-on-crime " legislation at the end of the session , or at other times where it will be voted down or die on the order paper , so that they can claim they tried to fight crime , but the Liberals prevented them and therefore they need a majority government to protect us from all the Bad People.- RG &gt;</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they implement this they become the State Based Terrorists that they themselves fear!The only thing they fear about crime and terrorism is if it were to go away, because they'd have no more scapegoat to inflate their power.Hence whey the Conservatives always introduce so-called "tough-on-crime" legislation at the end of the session, or at other times where it will be voted down or die on the order paper, so that they can claim they tried to fight crime, but the Liberals prevented them and therefore they need a majority government to protect us from all the Bad People.- RG&gt;
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381595</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28384311</id>
	<title>Re:a bit more complicated then that....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245336780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only data which cannot be searched is data which doesn't exist. Do not log.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only data which can not be searched is data which does n't exist .
Do not log .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only data which cannot be searched is data which doesn't exist.
Do not log.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28382159</id>
	<title>Re:Be reasonable...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245325920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree.  In Calgary, if you say anything that does not support the Calgary Police Service, you must be a criminal.</p><p>Speak out about Calgary Police Service beating up and raping women who walk the street for money, or other acts by the Calgary Police which would get a normal citizen arrested, and you will find your self in the Calgary Prison system before you know what happen.</p><p>Your name will be in the newspapers, all over the news, and broadcast by the Calgary Police to ensure everyone knows you are guilty of what the Police say you are guilty of.   Of course this is long before your trial.</p><p>You will not be able to find employment, because Calgary Police will show up at your place of work and tell everyone you are a criminal.</p><p>Meanwhile, the Calgary Police Service have members who attempt to pick up young girls on line, sell drugs which they took from drug dealers instead of arresting them, selling firearms which should have been destroyed, drinking and driving, and worst of all doing what ever they want too.  There are even Calgary Police member who are paedophiles.  Other member commit assaults with out any investigation.   Because the Calgary Police who do not report to anyone.</p><p>Most of these acts have been documented on the CBC and other websites.  But on the CBC news stories which make the Calgary Police look bad, disappear almost as fast as they appear.</p><p>Freenet, and a few darknets has good selection of video of the crimes committed by the Calgary Police Service.</p><p>The truth is there, just have to look for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
In Calgary , if you say anything that does not support the Calgary Police Service , you must be a criminal.Speak out about Calgary Police Service beating up and raping women who walk the street for money , or other acts by the Calgary Police which would get a normal citizen arrested , and you will find your self in the Calgary Prison system before you know what happen.Your name will be in the newspapers , all over the news , and broadcast by the Calgary Police to ensure everyone knows you are guilty of what the Police say you are guilty of .
Of course this is long before your trial.You will not be able to find employment , because Calgary Police will show up at your place of work and tell everyone you are a criminal.Meanwhile , the Calgary Police Service have members who attempt to pick up young girls on line , sell drugs which they took from drug dealers instead of arresting them , selling firearms which should have been destroyed , drinking and driving , and worst of all doing what ever they want too .
There are even Calgary Police member who are paedophiles .
Other member commit assaults with out any investigation .
Because the Calgary Police who do not report to anyone.Most of these acts have been documented on the CBC and other websites .
But on the CBC news stories which make the Calgary Police look bad , disappear almost as fast as they appear.Freenet , and a few darknets has good selection of video of the crimes committed by the Calgary Police Service.The truth is there , just have to look for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
In Calgary, if you say anything that does not support the Calgary Police Service, you must be a criminal.Speak out about Calgary Police Service beating up and raping women who walk the street for money, or other acts by the Calgary Police which would get a normal citizen arrested, and you will find your self in the Calgary Prison system before you know what happen.Your name will be in the newspapers, all over the news, and broadcast by the Calgary Police to ensure everyone knows you are guilty of what the Police say you are guilty of.
Of course this is long before your trial.You will not be able to find employment, because Calgary Police will show up at your place of work and tell everyone you are a criminal.Meanwhile, the Calgary Police Service have members who attempt to pick up young girls on line, sell drugs which they took from drug dealers instead of arresting them, selling firearms which should have been destroyed, drinking and driving, and worst of all doing what ever they want too.
There are even Calgary Police member who are paedophiles.
Other member commit assaults with out any investigation.
Because the Calgary Police who do not report to anyone.Most of these acts have been documented on the CBC and other websites.
But on the CBC news stories which make the Calgary Police look bad, disappear almost as fast as they appear.Freenet, and a few darknets has good selection of video of the crimes committed by the Calgary Police Service.The truth is there, just have to look for it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380601</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28390741</id>
	<title>Re:It's not like...</title>
	<author>inject\_hotmail.com</author>
	<datestamp>1245429600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's ok.  In Ontario, they're used to giving cops way too much power.  There, if a cop accuses someone of driving more than 50km/h over the speed limit, they can <a href="http://www.articlesbase.com/law-articles/new-speeding-law-in-ontario-946617.html" title="articlesbase.com">at a minimum impound the vehicle, and confiscate their license for a week</a> [articlesbase.com], no judge needed!  I bet this saves tax payers so much money in pesky court costs.  Oh, and there is no way to appeal, thank you very much.  It's in the name of anti-street racing, but, in effect, it is used to allow cops to persecute anyone they don't like (like kids in Hondas).</p><p>Want to know the conviction rate for those people that choose to fight? <a href="http://blog.legalaction.ca/ontario\%E2\%80\%99s-speed-racing-law-33-conviction-rate/" title="legalaction.ca">33\%</a> [legalaction.ca].  So, that means that 67\% of all charged with this offence aren't even guilty of it.  That's a huge abuse of power.  Those charged have already been severely affected...and there's no way for them to recover rightfully from it...and it's all in the hands of some other (probably jilted) human.</p><p>Not good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's ok. In Ontario , they 're used to giving cops way too much power .
There , if a cop accuses someone of driving more than 50km/h over the speed limit , they can at a minimum impound the vehicle , and confiscate their license for a week [ articlesbase.com ] , no judge needed !
I bet this saves tax payers so much money in pesky court costs .
Oh , and there is no way to appeal , thank you very much .
It 's in the name of anti-street racing , but , in effect , it is used to allow cops to persecute anyone they do n't like ( like kids in Hondas ) .Want to know the conviction rate for those people that choose to fight ?
33 \ % [ legalaction.ca ] .
So , that means that 67 \ % of all charged with this offence are n't even guilty of it .
That 's a huge abuse of power .
Those charged have already been severely affected...and there 's no way for them to recover rightfully from it...and it 's all in the hands of some other ( probably jilted ) human.Not good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's ok.  In Ontario, they're used to giving cops way too much power.
There, if a cop accuses someone of driving more than 50km/h over the speed limit, they can at a minimum impound the vehicle, and confiscate their license for a week [articlesbase.com], no judge needed!
I bet this saves tax payers so much money in pesky court costs.
Oh, and there is no way to appeal, thank you very much.
It's in the name of anti-street racing, but, in effect, it is used to allow cops to persecute anyone they don't like (like kids in Hondas).Want to know the conviction rate for those people that choose to fight?
33\% [legalaction.ca].
So, that means that 67\% of all charged with this offence aren't even guilty of it.
That's a huge abuse of power.
Those charged have already been severely affected...and there's no way for them to recover rightfully from it...and it's all in the hands of some other (probably jilted) human.Not good.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380863</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381939</id>
	<title>Re:Write to the minister!</title>
	<author>gun26</author>
	<datestamp>1245325020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Conservative party consists of a large caucus holding the overwheliming majority of seats from Western Canada and a smaller rump from populous Ontario (which elects almost 1/3 of the parliamentary seats). In order to have a political future the Cons need to grow in Ontario - they can't expect much more in the West and they burned their bridges with the Quebec electorate in last December's coalition crisis. But the cabinet pickings are slim from the Ontario Con group, most of whom are cretinous hard-right retreads from the old Mike Harris provincial government in power here in the late 90s. Peter Van Loan is perhaps the dumbest of the bunch - his talent seems to consist of partisan brawling at the gutter level and not much else. Like most of the Ontario Conservative members, he represents a rural riding. Minister of Public Safety? His title should really be Minister of the Public Be Damned. I don't know what to make of Van Loan being the front man for this initiative by the Conservative government. Either his political star is rising, or the Conservatives don't really expect the initiative to pass and are hanging Van Loan out to dry since he's one of the more expendable cogs in their machine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Conservative party consists of a large caucus holding the overwheliming majority of seats from Western Canada and a smaller rump from populous Ontario ( which elects almost 1/3 of the parliamentary seats ) .
In order to have a political future the Cons need to grow in Ontario - they ca n't expect much more in the West and they burned their bridges with the Quebec electorate in last December 's coalition crisis .
But the cabinet pickings are slim from the Ontario Con group , most of whom are cretinous hard-right retreads from the old Mike Harris provincial government in power here in the late 90s .
Peter Van Loan is perhaps the dumbest of the bunch - his talent seems to consist of partisan brawling at the gutter level and not much else .
Like most of the Ontario Conservative members , he represents a rural riding .
Minister of Public Safety ?
His title should really be Minister of the Public Be Damned .
I do n't know what to make of Van Loan being the front man for this initiative by the Conservative government .
Either his political star is rising , or the Conservatives do n't really expect the initiative to pass and are hanging Van Loan out to dry since he 's one of the more expendable cogs in their machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Conservative party consists of a large caucus holding the overwheliming majority of seats from Western Canada and a smaller rump from populous Ontario (which elects almost 1/3 of the parliamentary seats).
In order to have a political future the Cons need to grow in Ontario - they can't expect much more in the West and they burned their bridges with the Quebec electorate in last December's coalition crisis.
But the cabinet pickings are slim from the Ontario Con group, most of whom are cretinous hard-right retreads from the old Mike Harris provincial government in power here in the late 90s.
Peter Van Loan is perhaps the dumbest of the bunch - his talent seems to consist of partisan brawling at the gutter level and not much else.
Like most of the Ontario Conservative members, he represents a rural riding.
Minister of Public Safety?
His title should really be Minister of the Public Be Damned.
I don't know what to make of Van Loan being the front man for this initiative by the Conservative government.
Either his political star is rising, or the Conservatives don't really expect the initiative to pass and are hanging Van Loan out to dry since he's one of the more expendable cogs in their machine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380683</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380963</id>
	<title>Oh, Canada!</title>
	<author>SockPuppet\_9\_5</author>
	<datestamp>1245320820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>God keep our land glorious and free!<br>O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.</em></p><p>[Lyrics are now contradictory]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>God keep our land glorious and free ! O Canada , we stand on guard for thee .
[ Lyrics are now contradictory ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God keep our land glorious and free!O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
[Lyrics are now contradictory]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28382765</id>
	<title>Re:My only question is...</title>
	<author>evil\_aar0n</author>
	<datestamp>1245328800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; After the government watches every single aspect of what we do with our electronic communications, what next?</p><p>Oh, that's easy, and I'm surprised at you: why, they'll lock us all in our own jail cells, "for our own good."  Now, that might not be the \_next\_ step, but that's the ultimate goal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; After the government watches every single aspect of what we do with our electronic communications , what next ? Oh , that 's easy , and I 'm surprised at you : why , they 'll lock us all in our own jail cells , " for our own good .
" Now , that might not be the \ _next \ _ step , but that 's the ultimate goal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; After the government watches every single aspect of what we do with our electronic communications, what next?Oh, that's easy, and I'm surprised at you: why, they'll lock us all in our own jail cells, "for our own good.
"  Now, that might not be the \_next\_ step, but that's the ultimate goal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380877</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28389687</id>
	<title>Re:Come on, people!</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1245425220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course we should. They're all completely honest, good men who would never abuse or exploit their power in any way. Yes sir, they can be fully trusted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course we should .
They 're all completely honest , good men who would never abuse or exploit their power in any way .
Yes sir , they can be fully trusted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course we should.
They're all completely honest, good men who would never abuse or exploit their power in any way.
Yes sir, they can be fully trusted.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380621</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381419</id>
	<title>Re:Why so surprised?</title>
	<author>dimeglio</author>
	<datestamp>1245322740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure. You're 100\% correct. Why can't I snoop your bank account's user name and password? All that encryption is getting in the way. Oh wait, I got it now. Thanks to the new law from the Minister of Public Safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure .
You 're 100 \ % correct .
Why ca n't I snoop your bank account 's user name and password ?
All that encryption is getting in the way .
Oh wait , I got it now .
Thanks to the new law from the Minister of Public Safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure.
You're 100\% correct.
Why can't I snoop your bank account's user name and password?
All that encryption is getting in the way.
Oh wait, I got it now.
Thanks to the new law from the Minister of Public Safety.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380655</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381447</id>
	<title>Re:Why so surprised?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245322800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. The Internet is not public domain. It is a Series of Tubes(R), but most pieces of these tubes (including the start point, the end point, and most importantly the ISP point) are privately owned.</p><p>2. ISPs are under contractual and privacy-law obligation not to release user data unless forced by a court warrant (which, in addition to requesting the information, will lay out to the police how and where that data can or can not be used). Or unless this bill is passed, of course, in which case the police will read and distribute it when where and how they feel like.</p><p>3. Tapping into ISP data will allow vastly more invasive searches of a person's traffic than an endpoint website. The endpoint website will at most tell what a person submitted to that website, and then can be circumvented by proxies. The ISP data will tell everything about a particular user account, i.e. a person's, total net activity.</p><p>4. There is a constitutional difference between an endpoint willing to give up data I send to it, and being forced to do so against its will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
The Internet is not public domain .
It is a Series of Tubes ( R ) , but most pieces of these tubes ( including the start point , the end point , and most importantly the ISP point ) are privately owned.2 .
ISPs are under contractual and privacy-law obligation not to release user data unless forced by a court warrant ( which , in addition to requesting the information , will lay out to the police how and where that data can or can not be used ) .
Or unless this bill is passed , of course , in which case the police will read and distribute it when where and how they feel like.3 .
Tapping into ISP data will allow vastly more invasive searches of a person 's traffic than an endpoint website .
The endpoint website will at most tell what a person submitted to that website , and then can be circumvented by proxies .
The ISP data will tell everything about a particular user account , i.e .
a person 's , total net activity.4 .
There is a constitutional difference between an endpoint willing to give up data I send to it , and being forced to do so against its will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
The Internet is not public domain.
It is a Series of Tubes(R), but most pieces of these tubes (including the start point, the end point, and most importantly the ISP point) are privately owned.2.
ISPs are under contractual and privacy-law obligation not to release user data unless forced by a court warrant (which, in addition to requesting the information, will lay out to the police how and where that data can or can not be used).
Or unless this bill is passed, of course, in which case the police will read and distribute it when where and how they feel like.3.
Tapping into ISP data will allow vastly more invasive searches of a person's traffic than an endpoint website.
The endpoint website will at most tell what a person submitted to that website, and then can be circumvented by proxies.
The ISP data will tell everything about a particular user account, i.e.
a person's, total net activity.4.
There is a constitutional difference between an endpoint willing to give up data I send to it, and being forced to do so against its will.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380655</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380655</id>
	<title>Why so surprised?</title>
	<author>illiter4te</author>
	<datestamp>1245319620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The internet is a public domain, why would law enforcement require a permit for that? And besides, almost all entities such as places of business/education and many ISPs will willingly give this information up anyways...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The internet is a public domain , why would law enforcement require a permit for that ?
And besides , almost all entities such as places of business/education and many ISPs will willingly give this information up anyways.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The internet is a public domain, why would law enforcement require a permit for that?
And besides, almost all entities such as places of business/education and many ISPs will willingly give this information up anyways...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28389337</id>
	<title>Re:What specifically should constitute unreasonabl</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245423840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those 4 are not the primary concerns for everyone. For instance, my primary concern is that the contents of my communications and the list of web sites I visit is none of anyone else's business . So, unless a judge agrees that they have probable cause to believe that I'm a criminal and using my Internet access to further those activities, they have no business knowing who I communicate with or what websites I visit. Just because what I do is neither illegal or immoral doesn't mean I don't mind everyone knowing about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those 4 are not the primary concerns for everyone .
For instance , my primary concern is that the contents of my communications and the list of web sites I visit is none of anyone else 's business .
So , unless a judge agrees that they have probable cause to believe that I 'm a criminal and using my Internet access to further those activities , they have no business knowing who I communicate with or what websites I visit .
Just because what I do is neither illegal or immoral does n't mean I do n't mind everyone knowing about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those 4 are not the primary concerns for everyone.
For instance, my primary concern is that the contents of my communications and the list of web sites I visit is none of anyone else's business .
So, unless a judge agrees that they have probable cause to believe that I'm a criminal and using my Internet access to further those activities, they have no business knowing who I communicate with or what websites I visit.
Just because what I do is neither illegal or immoral doesn't mean I don't mind everyone knowing about it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381095</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383717</id>
	<title>Re:My only question is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245333120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"So then they watch all our thoughts, will the crimes then go away?"</p><p>Probably not, as most crimes - against children or otherwise - are not committed by either pedophiles or terrorists.</p><p>Most crimes against children are committed by their parents.  Most other crimes are committed by unremarkable people who either lack empathy or self-control.  Lack of empathy and/or self-control . . . sounds like most politicians and police.  Sure, give them more power. . . .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" So then they watch all our thoughts , will the crimes then go away ?
" Probably not , as most crimes - against children or otherwise - are not committed by either pedophiles or terrorists.Most crimes against children are committed by their parents .
Most other crimes are committed by unremarkable people who either lack empathy or self-control .
Lack of empathy and/or self-control .
. .
sounds like most politicians and police .
Sure , give them more power .
. .
.</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"So then they watch all our thoughts, will the crimes then go away?
"Probably not, as most crimes - against children or otherwise - are not committed by either pedophiles or terrorists.Most crimes against children are committed by their parents.
Most other crimes are committed by unremarkable people who either lack empathy or self-control.
Lack of empathy and/or self-control .
. .
sounds like most politicians and police.
Sure, give them more power.
. .
.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380877</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381185</id>
	<title>Re:Easy</title>
	<author>davegravy</author>
	<datestamp>1245321720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>+1 WishItWereTrue</htmltext>
<tokenext>+ 1 WishItWereTrue</tokentext>
<sentencetext>+1 WishItWereTrue</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380893</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381381</id>
	<title>Re:Come on, people!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245322560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A people that values its safety above its freedom soon loses both. (a twist from a D.D. Eisenhower's quote)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A people that values its safety above its freedom soon loses both .
( a twist from a D.D .
Eisenhower 's quote )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A people that values its safety above its freedom soon loses both.
(a twist from a D.D.
Eisenhower's quote)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380621</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380855</id>
	<title>a bit more complicated then that....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245320400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As is usual, the summary is inflammatory.  As described at <a href="http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/labels/lawful\%20access.html/" title="privacylawyer.ca">http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/labels/lawful\%20access.html/</a> [privacylawyer.ca] a warrant would still be required for eavesdropping, but "basic subscriber information" (name, address, telephone number and Internet Protocol (IP) address, e-mail address, service provider identification and certain cell phone identifiers) would be available without a warrant.</p><p>I'll be writing to my MP in any case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As is usual , the summary is inflammatory .
As described at http : //www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/labels/lawful \ % 20access.html/ [ privacylawyer.ca ] a warrant would still be required for eavesdropping , but " basic subscriber information " ( name , address , telephone number and Internet Protocol ( IP ) address , e-mail address , service provider identification and certain cell phone identifiers ) would be available without a warrant.I 'll be writing to my MP in any case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As is usual, the summary is inflammatory.
As described at http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/labels/lawful\%20access.html/ [privacylawyer.ca] a warrant would still be required for eavesdropping, but "basic subscriber information" (name, address, telephone number and Internet Protocol (IP) address, e-mail address, service provider identification and certain cell phone identifiers) would be available without a warrant.I'll be writing to my MP in any case.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380993</id>
	<title>gangsters, pedophiles, or terrorists</title>
	<author>gringofrijolero</author>
	<datestamp>1245321000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh my!</p><p>Ahhh, the power of irrational fear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh my ! Ahhh , the power of irrational fear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh my!Ahhh, the power of irrational fear.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28385205</id>
	<title>Re:That's it, I'm moving to the USA</title>
	<author>aqk</author>
	<datestamp>1245345000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><tt>In Soviet Russia, the new overlords welcome you!</tt> <br>In Soviet <b> <i>CANADA</i> </b>, the new overlords welcome you!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... There.  Fixed that for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Soviet Russia , the new overlords welcome you !
In Soviet CANADA , the new overlords welcome you !
... There .
Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Soviet Russia, the new overlords welcome you!
In Soviet  CANADA , the new overlords welcome you!
... There.
Fixed that for you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380663</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381689</id>
	<title>Re:Be reasonable...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245323880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My billing is quite reasonable.  I require the nominal fee of 67K/hour searching my logs for your requested information, 4 hour minimum.</p><p>Please submit your credit references and billing information to our accounting department along with your request, and we'll get back to you within 90 to 120 business days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My billing is quite reasonable .
I require the nominal fee of 67K/hour searching my logs for your requested information , 4 hour minimum.Please submit your credit references and billing information to our accounting department along with your request , and we 'll get back to you within 90 to 120 business days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My billing is quite reasonable.
I require the nominal fee of 67K/hour searching my logs for your requested information, 4 hour minimum.Please submit your credit references and billing information to our accounting department along with your request, and we'll get back to you within 90 to 120 business days.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380601</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380683</id>
	<title>Write to the minister!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245319740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is ridiculous.  If this passes, I'm never voting Conservative again (leaving me with no other options!)</p><p>Write to Van Loan:</p><p>The Honourable Peter Van Loan<br>Minister of Public Safety</p><p>Parliament Hill Office<br>Room 157<br>East Block<br>Ottawa, Ontario<br>K1A 0A6</p><p>T  613-996-7752<br>F  613-992-8351<br>E  vanloan.p@parl.gc.ca</p><p>Constituency Office<br>45 Grist Mill Road, Unit 10<br>Holland Landing, Ontario<br>L9N 1M7<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... in the Grist Mill Plaza,<br>Mount Albert Road between Old Yonge Street and 2nd Concession</p><p>T  905-898-1600 or<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 1-877-738-3748<br>F  905-898-4600<br>E  vanlop1@parl.gc.ca</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is ridiculous .
If this passes , I 'm never voting Conservative again ( leaving me with no other options !
) Write to Van Loan : The Honourable Peter Van LoanMinister of Public SafetyParliament Hill OfficeRoom 157East BlockOttawa , OntarioK1A 0A6T 613-996-7752F 613-992-8351E vanloan.p @ parl.gc.caConstituency Office45 Grist Mill Road , Unit 10Holland Landing , OntarioL9N 1M7 ... in the Grist Mill Plaza,Mount Albert Road between Old Yonge Street and 2nd ConcessionT 905-898-1600 or                             1-877-738-3748F 905-898-4600E vanlop1 @ parl.gc.ca</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is ridiculous.
If this passes, I'm never voting Conservative again (leaving me with no other options!
)Write to Van Loan:The Honourable Peter Van LoanMinister of Public SafetyParliament Hill OfficeRoom 157East BlockOttawa, OntarioK1A 0A6T  613-996-7752F  613-992-8351E  vanloan.p@parl.gc.caConstituency Office45 Grist Mill Road, Unit 10Holland Landing, OntarioL9N 1M7 ... in the Grist Mill Plaza,Mount Albert Road between Old Yonge Street and 2nd ConcessionT  905-898-1600 or
                            1-877-738-3748F  905-898-4600E  vanlop1@parl.gc.ca</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380651</id>
	<title>I for one</title>
	<author>Mipoti Gusundar</author>
	<datestamp>1245319620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one lewcome our new Canadian law woulds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one lewcome our new Canadian law woulds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one lewcome our new Canadian law woulds.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383777</id>
	<title>Re:Children</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245333420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Think of the children, eh?</i></p><p>Damn pedo!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think of the children , eh ? Damn pedo !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think of the children, eh?Damn pedo!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380547</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28382087</id>
	<title>Re:Be reasonable...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245325620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you even know what the constitution is?  the charter of rights and freedoms maybe?  The Magna Carta? WTF?  If you feel that way move to North Korea you idiot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you even know what the constitution is ?
the charter of rights and freedoms maybe ?
The Magna Carta ?
WTF ? If you feel that way move to North Korea you idiot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you even know what the constitution is?
the charter of rights and freedoms maybe?
The Magna Carta?
WTF?  If you feel that way move to North Korea you idiot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380601</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380715</id>
	<title>Who are you?</title>
	<author>arizwebfoot</author>
	<datestamp>1245319800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This sounds like something the McKenzie brothers would come with.
<br> <br>
Strange Brew - indeed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like something the McKenzie brothers would come with .
Strange Brew - indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like something the McKenzie brothers would come with.
Strange Brew - indeed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28384849</id>
	<title>This is nothing</title>
	<author>David\_Shultz</author>
	<datestamp>1245340860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A recent Supreme Court of Canada decision found that the police can collect and examine your garbage without a warrant, even if it is in sealed, opaque bags, in a trashcan, within your property line. Decision: <a href="http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2009/2009scc17/2009scc17.html" title="umontreal.ca">http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2009/2009scc17/2009scc17.html</a> [umontreal.ca].</htmltext>
<tokenext>A recent Supreme Court of Canada decision found that the police can collect and examine your garbage without a warrant , even if it is in sealed , opaque bags , in a trashcan , within your property line .
Decision : http : //csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2009/2009scc17/2009scc17.html [ umontreal.ca ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A recent Supreme Court of Canada decision found that the police can collect and examine your garbage without a warrant, even if it is in sealed, opaque bags, in a trashcan, within your property line.
Decision: http://csc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2009/2009scc17/2009scc17.html [umontreal.ca].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381881</id>
	<title>Encryption</title>
	<author>tsotha</author>
	<datestamp>1245324780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to believe 'gangsters, pedophiles, or terrorists' will be using encryption to carry out their nefarious plans.  The real target here is people downloading music and movies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to believe 'gangsters , pedophiles , or terrorists ' will be using encryption to carry out their nefarious plans .
The real target here is people downloading music and movies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to believe 'gangsters, pedophiles, or terrorists' will be using encryption to carry out their nefarious plans.
The real target here is people downloading music and movies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380929</id>
	<title>Re:Come on, people!</title>
	<author>K. S. Kyosuke</author>
	<datestamp>1245320700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We should just hand them over every little piece of information about our lives at the drop of a hat! It's the least we can do.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Have you considered moving to Montana? I heard you might feel there at home.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We should just hand them over every little piece of information about our lives at the drop of a hat !
It 's the least we can do .
Have you considered moving to Montana ?
I heard you might feel there at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We should just hand them over every little piece of information about our lives at the drop of a hat!
It's the least we can do.
Have you considered moving to Montana?
I heard you might feel there at home.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380621</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28388281</id>
	<title>Re:Write to the minister!</title>
	<author>Chonnawonga</author>
	<datestamp>1245419160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is ridiculous.  If this passes, I'm never voting Conservative again (leaving me with no other options!)</p></div><p>You voted for these clowns? No wonder you're posting as an AC!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is ridiculous .
If this passes , I 'm never voting Conservative again ( leaving me with no other options !
) You voted for these clowns ?
No wonder you 're posting as an AC !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is ridiculous.
If this passes, I'm never voting Conservative again (leaving me with no other options!
)You voted for these clowns?
No wonder you're posting as an AC!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380683</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380795</id>
	<title>Fox News?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245320100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fox News? Is that you? The Fair and Balanced summary threw me there for a minute...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fox News ?
Is that you ?
The Fair and Balanced summary threw me there for a minute.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fox News?
Is that you?
The Fair and Balanced summary threw me there for a minute...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383701</id>
	<title>Re:George Bush / Orwell Strikes again ...</title>
	<author>Travelsonic</author>
	<datestamp>1245333000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course I have nothing to hide, therefore you have no reason to be spying on private citizens.</p></div><p>makes no sense.  Everybody has something to hide.  That is the idea of privacy.  Whether or not one is indenial about this truth is no excuse to allow this as a parameter for allowing or disallowing warrantless wiretapping.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course I have nothing to hide , therefore you have no reason to be spying on private citizens.makes no sense .
Everybody has something to hide .
That is the idea of privacy .
Whether or not one is indenial about this truth is no excuse to allow this as a parameter for allowing or disallowing warrantless wiretapping .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course I have nothing to hide, therefore you have no reason to be spying on private citizens.makes no sense.
Everybody has something to hide.
That is the idea of privacy.
Whether or not one is indenial about this truth is no excuse to allow this as a parameter for allowing or disallowing warrantless wiretapping.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380781</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28389049</id>
	<title>Thats funny RCMP are very corrupt.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245422640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>They always stealing/selling drugs, shaking down hookers, planting drugs, selling protection to drug dealers and killing people for shits and giggles.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They always stealing/selling drugs , shaking down hookers , planting drugs , selling protection to drug dealers and killing people for shits and giggles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They always stealing/selling drugs, shaking down hookers, planting drugs, selling protection to drug dealers and killing people for shits and giggles.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380877</id>
	<title>My only question is...</title>
	<author>d474</author>
	<datestamp>1245320460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...what next?<br>
&nbsp; <br>After the government watches every single aspect of what we do with our electronic communications, what next?<br>
&nbsp; <br>Will they actually catch all the pedo's &amp; terrorists?  Will all those crimes disappear?  Or will those crimes continue to occur?<br>
&nbsp; <br>Of course they'll continue to occur, so will they move on to thought control with nanotechnologies?  Seriously.  Will the argument still convince everyone to allow for thought monitoring because, "How else will we catch all the pedo's and terrorists!  Think of the children!"</p><p>So then they watch all our thoughts, will the crimes then go away?  Probably not, people will figure out ways to block those nano-bots somehow.  Then what?<br>
&nbsp; <br>Then they will want to control our thoughts - because, because that way we can control everyone and stop crime and protect the children! But will crime stop?  Yes.  But then, the crime stopped because freedom stopped.<br>
&nbsp; <br>Crime and freedom go hand-in-hand.  Can't have one without the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...what next ?
  After the government watches every single aspect of what we do with our electronic communications , what next ?
  Will they actually catch all the pedo 's &amp; terrorists ?
Will all those crimes disappear ?
Or will those crimes continue to occur ?
  Of course they 'll continue to occur , so will they move on to thought control with nanotechnologies ?
Seriously. Will the argument still convince everyone to allow for thought monitoring because , " How else will we catch all the pedo 's and terrorists !
Think of the children !
" So then they watch all our thoughts , will the crimes then go away ?
Probably not , people will figure out ways to block those nano-bots somehow .
Then what ?
  Then they will want to control our thoughts - because , because that way we can control everyone and stop crime and protect the children !
But will crime stop ?
Yes. But then , the crime stopped because freedom stopped .
  Crime and freedom go hand-in-hand .
Ca n't have one without the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...what next?
  After the government watches every single aspect of what we do with our electronic communications, what next?
  Will they actually catch all the pedo's &amp; terrorists?
Will all those crimes disappear?
Or will those crimes continue to occur?
  Of course they'll continue to occur, so will they move on to thought control with nanotechnologies?
Seriously.  Will the argument still convince everyone to allow for thought monitoring because, "How else will we catch all the pedo's and terrorists!
Think of the children!
"So then they watch all our thoughts, will the crimes then go away?
Probably not, people will figure out ways to block those nano-bots somehow.
Then what?
  Then they will want to control our thoughts - because, because that way we can control everyone and stop crime and protect the children!
But will crime stop?
Yes.  But then, the crime stopped because freedom stopped.
  Crime and freedom go hand-in-hand.
Can't have one without the other.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381025</id>
	<title>Re:Be reasonable...</title>
	<author>elashish14</author>
	<datestamp>1245321120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course. Also, this is how they plan to catch the perpetrators of the Conficker virus/worm/whatever. Canada will soon be a global hero!</p><p>(More sarcasm)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course .
Also , this is how they plan to catch the perpetrators of the Conficker virus/worm/whatever .
Canada will soon be a global hero !
( More sarcasm )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course.
Also, this is how they plan to catch the perpetrators of the Conficker virus/worm/whatever.
Canada will soon be a global hero!
(More sarcasm)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380601</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28384541</id>
	<title>Re:Come on, people!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245338640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Turn about is fair play...I think we should also require that emails, logfiles of all police officers, etc. be placed online for the purvue of the public.  I mean, if they haven't done anything wrong, then they've got nothing to hide, right?</p><p>Just like there should be cameras and videotapes of all police activities, etc., available to the public.  I mean, after all, if they aren't doing anything wrong, they have nothing to hide, right?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Turn about is fair play...I think we should also require that emails , logfiles of all police officers , etc .
be placed online for the purvue of the public .
I mean , if they have n't done anything wrong , then they 've got nothing to hide , right ? Just like there should be cameras and videotapes of all police activities , etc. , available to the public .
I mean , after all , if they are n't doing anything wrong , they have nothing to hide , right ?
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Turn about is fair play...I think we should also require that emails, logfiles of all police officers, etc.
be placed online for the purvue of the public.
I mean, if they haven't done anything wrong, then they've got nothing to hide, right?Just like there should be cameras and videotapes of all police activities, etc., available to the public.
I mean, after all, if they aren't doing anything wrong, they have nothing to hide, right?
:-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380621</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381607</id>
	<title>Re:Be reasonable...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245323580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which is just the argument everybody brought up against anybody opposing the new consorship law in Germany.<br>Especially the biggest newspaper in Europe (which mostly publishes bullshit) which politicians are afraid of.<br>Sad, really.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which is just the argument everybody brought up against anybody opposing the new consorship law in Germany.Especially the biggest newspaper in Europe ( which mostly publishes bullshit ) which politicians are afraid of.Sad , really .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which is just the argument everybody brought up against anybody opposing the new consorship law in Germany.Especially the biggest newspaper in Europe (which mostly publishes bullshit) which politicians are afraid of.Sad, really.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380601</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380893</id>
	<title>Easy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245320520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>
Easy, you crazy kids.  Sometimes in Canada, we'll propose some totally nuts bill to ensure it gets struck down, and it serves as a precendence to prevent weaker, yet more wily intrusions in our security and privacy.
<br> <br>
That being said, please do, write your politicians, let them know their thoughts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy , you crazy kids .
Sometimes in Canada , we 'll propose some totally nuts bill to ensure it gets struck down , and it serves as a precendence to prevent weaker , yet more wily intrusions in our security and privacy .
That being said , please do , write your politicians , let them know their thoughts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Easy, you crazy kids.
Sometimes in Canada, we'll propose some totally nuts bill to ensure it gets struck down, and it serves as a precendence to prevent weaker, yet more wily intrusions in our security and privacy.
That being said, please do, write your politicians, let them know their thoughts.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381109</id>
	<title>Check out the US FISA law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245321420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My first reaction was YIKES, what are the Canadians doing.  Then I realized that their law is very similar to the US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.  Basically under FISA the US Government can request and get any information they want if they think it might cross any international border.  No one is keeping tabs on what information the US collects because it is a "secret", so basically they can collect whatever they want with no warrant.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My first reaction was YIKES , what are the Canadians doing .
Then I realized that their law is very similar to the US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act .
Basically under FISA the US Government can request and get any information they want if they think it might cross any international border .
No one is keeping tabs on what information the US collects because it is a " secret " , so basically they can collect whatever they want with no warrant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My first reaction was YIKES, what are the Canadians doing.
Then I realized that their law is very similar to the US Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
Basically under FISA the US Government can request and get any information they want if they think it might cross any international border.
No one is keeping tabs on what information the US collects because it is a "secret", so basically they can collect whatever they want with no warrant.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28385257</id>
	<title>Re:That's it, I'm moving to ... rsync.net</title>
	<author>enselsharon</author>
	<datestamp>1245345840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess they are technically not an ISP - they are my online/offsite backup provider<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>But they have maintained a "warrant canary" for years:</p><p><a href="http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt" title="rsync.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt</a> [rsync.net]</p><p>I don't know how effective it would really be if push really came to shove, although it's difficult to imagine a court upholding a LEA coercing them to make public false statements<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the point is, someone is pushing back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess they are technically not an ISP - they are my online/offsite backup provider ...But they have maintained a " warrant canary " for years : http : //www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt [ rsync.net ] I do n't know how effective it would really be if push really came to shove , although it 's difficult to imagine a court upholding a LEA coercing them to make public false statements ... the point is , someone is pushing back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess they are technically not an ISP - they are my online/offsite backup provider ...But they have maintained a "warrant canary" for years:http://www.rsync.net/resources/notices/canary.txt [rsync.net]I don't know how effective it would really be if push really came to shove, although it's difficult to imagine a court upholding a LEA coercing them to make public false statements ... the point is, someone is pushing back.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380663</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380737</id>
	<title>There goes my pedestal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245319860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>.. from which to look down my frost-bitten nose at the suckers having their rights taken away down south. Now i'm putting up with bad weather for no good reason!
<br> <br>
Doesn't our government understand a fundamental principle of governing a country with a predominantly harsh climate like Canada: we must do everything significantly better than our neighbours to the south to prevent brain drain.</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. from which to look down my frost-bitten nose at the suckers having their rights taken away down south .
Now i 'm putting up with bad weather for no good reason !
Does n't our government understand a fundamental principle of governing a country with a predominantly harsh climate like Canada : we must do everything significantly better than our neighbours to the south to prevent brain drain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. from which to look down my frost-bitten nose at the suckers having their rights taken away down south.
Now i'm putting up with bad weather for no good reason!
Doesn't our government understand a fundamental principle of governing a country with a predominantly harsh climate like Canada: we must do everything significantly better than our neighbours to the south to prevent brain drain.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28390689</id>
	<title>Re:Write to the minister!</title>
	<author>Cruciform</author>
	<datestamp>1245429360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wrote in as well. Anyone else writing in, *do not copy and paste someone else's letter*.<br>Form letters have almost no value for consideration.<br>To have the most effect this is how they rate feedback from constituents (according to a politician I talked to years ago, it might have shifted slightly)</p><p>- personal visit to constituent office<br>- phone call to office<br>- hand written letter<br>- email<br>- signature (form letters, petitions, etc)</p><p>If one person shows up in person FOR the warrantless searches, it's worth more than several emails.<br>Someone should flash mob his office, but I don't know if they could actually find enough people in that area.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wrote in as well .
Anyone else writing in , * do not copy and paste someone else 's letter * .Form letters have almost no value for consideration.To have the most effect this is how they rate feedback from constituents ( according to a politician I talked to years ago , it might have shifted slightly ) - personal visit to constituent office- phone call to office- hand written letter- email- signature ( form letters , petitions , etc ) If one person shows up in person FOR the warrantless searches , it 's worth more than several emails.Someone should flash mob his office , but I do n't know if they could actually find enough people in that area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wrote in as well.
Anyone else writing in, *do not copy and paste someone else's letter*.Form letters have almost no value for consideration.To have the most effect this is how they rate feedback from constituents (according to a politician I talked to years ago, it might have shifted slightly)- personal visit to constituent office- phone call to office- hand written letter- email- signature (form letters, petitions, etc)If one person shows up in person FOR the warrantless searches, it's worth more than several emails.Someone should flash mob his office, but I don't know if they could actually find enough people in that area.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380683</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28389811</id>
	<title>Re:a bit more complicated then that....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245425700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As is usual, the summary is inflammatory.  As described at <a href="http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/labels/lawful\%20access.html/" title="privacylawyer.ca" rel="nofollow">http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/labels/lawful\%20access.html/</a> [privacylawyer.ca] a warrant would still be required for eavesdropping, but "basic subscriber information" (name, address, telephone number and Internet Protocol (IP) address, e-mail address, service provider identification and certain cell phone identifiers) would be available without a warrant.</p><p>I'll be writing to my MP in any case.</p></div><p>That's why it's called the "erosion" of civils liberties. First they don't need warrants for basic informations, then they won't it need at all. Just a a warm fuzzy feeling that they're into something. At that point it will be considered normal by police, politicians and... citizens.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As is usual , the summary is inflammatory .
As described at http : //www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/labels/lawful \ % 20access.html/ [ privacylawyer.ca ] a warrant would still be required for eavesdropping , but " basic subscriber information " ( name , address , telephone number and Internet Protocol ( IP ) address , e-mail address , service provider identification and certain cell phone identifiers ) would be available without a warrant.I 'll be writing to my MP in any case.That 's why it 's called the " erosion " of civils liberties .
First they do n't need warrants for basic informations , then they wo n't it need at all .
Just a a warm fuzzy feeling that they 're into something .
At that point it will be considered normal by police , politicians and... citizens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As is usual, the summary is inflammatory.
As described at http://www.privacylawyer.ca/blog/labels/lawful\%20access.html/ [privacylawyer.ca] a warrant would still be required for eavesdropping, but "basic subscriber information" (name, address, telephone number and Internet Protocol (IP) address, e-mail address, service provider identification and certain cell phone identifiers) would be available without a warrant.I'll be writing to my MP in any case.That's why it's called the "erosion" of civils liberties.
First they don't need warrants for basic informations, then they won't it need at all.
Just a a warm fuzzy feeling that they're into something.
At that point it will be considered normal by police, politicians and... citizens.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381221</id>
	<title>Quoting Science Fiction Author S. M. Stirling</title>
	<author>sehlat</author>
	<datestamp>1245321900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From an email of several years ago.</p><p>"The police should have the power to search anyone's hard drive over the network without a warrant and erase anything they deem suspicious. Anybody who objects to this is a thief or thief wannabe."</p><p>Sounds like Canada's on its way to granting his wish.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From an email of several years ago .
" The police should have the power to search anyone 's hard drive over the network without a warrant and erase anything they deem suspicious .
Anybody who objects to this is a thief or thief wannabe .
" Sounds like Canada 's on its way to granting his wish .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From an email of several years ago.
"The police should have the power to search anyone's hard drive over the network without a warrant and erase anything they deem suspicious.
Anybody who objects to this is a thief or thief wannabe.
"Sounds like Canada's on its way to granting his wish.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380549</id>
	<title>Despicable.</title>
	<author>giesen</author>
	<datestamp>1245319200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>'Nuff said.</htmltext>
<tokenext>'Nuff said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Nuff said.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28382857</id>
	<title>Re:Write to the minister!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245329160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could vote independant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could vote independant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could vote independant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380683</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28388081</id>
	<title>Full encryption of everything I do online, here I</title>
	<author>drunkennewfiemidget</author>
	<datestamp>1245417900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First it was the copyright reform, now this.  Fuck you, Canadian government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First it was the copyright reform , now this .
Fuck you , Canadian government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First it was the copyright reform, now this.
Fuck you, Canadian government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383365</id>
	<title>Re:What specifically should constitute unreasonabl</title>
	<author>Fulcrum of Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1245331140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My main concern is that I trust the cops about as much as the criminals, so I don't want them having more than the minimum required power to investigate crimes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My main concern is that I trust the cops about as much as the criminals , so I do n't want them having more than the minimum required power to investigate crimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My main concern is that I trust the cops about as much as the criminals, so I don't want them having more than the minimum required power to investigate crimes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381095</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381415</id>
	<title>Data Mining for "Evidence"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245322680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Makes it easier to use pervasive, automated, data mining (e.g. SMS text messages containing key words, &amp;c.) results as "evidence" against people.  Warrants? Probable Cause? Due Process? These technicalities are not necessary in a modern techno-fascist police state.</p><p>(Where do I "opt-out"?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Makes it easier to use pervasive , automated , data mining ( e.g .
SMS text messages containing key words , &amp;c. ) results as " evidence " against people .
Warrants ? Probable Cause ?
Due Process ?
These technicalities are not necessary in a modern techno-fascist police state .
( Where do I " opt-out " ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Makes it easier to use pervasive, automated, data mining (e.g.
SMS text messages containing key words, &amp;c.) results as "evidence" against people.
Warrants? Probable Cause?
Due Process?
These technicalities are not necessary in a modern techno-fascist police state.
(Where do I "opt-out"?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28385199</id>
	<title>Bill C-47</title>
	<author>sedmonds</author>
	<datestamp>1245344820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The actual text of the bill is at <a href="http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=4007628&amp;Language=e&amp;Mode=1&amp;File=29#1" title="parl.gc.ca">C-47</a> [parl.gc.ca].
</p><p>
Like all bills, there are some interesting bits to it.  For example, requests of service providers can be made by (for the purposes of carrying out the duties of) the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, or <b>the Commissioner of Competition under the <i>Competition Act</i> </b> (Section 16.2).  Federal police body, intelligence body<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I can see why they might have a desire to get subscriber information, but the competition commissioner?  What kind of competition requires particular subscriber data - other than maybe the RCMP and CSIS competing for liberty-trampling-jackboot-thug-of-the-year.
</p><p>
It isn't -quite- as ridiculous as the summary makes it out to be.  Section 17 outlines the circumstances under which police may request subscriber information, and while it falls short of requiring a warrant be issued, it is allegedly limited to circumstances of imminent harm by or to the subscriber.  Section 17 also requires reporting by the police to the applicable agency who would normally make a request, listed in section 16.  Section 18 refers to records which must be kept when requests are made.  Section 19 restricts the use of requested information to the matter about which the request was made (no fishing expeditions or tying subscriber information into other matters).  Section 20 outlines auditing and reporting by the bodies making requests, the privacy commissioner, and the Minister responsible for the requesting body.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The actual text of the bill is at C-47 [ parl.gc.ca ] .
Like all bills , there are some interesting bits to it .
For example , requests of service providers can be made by ( for the purposes of carrying out the duties of ) the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police , the Director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service , or the Commissioner of Competition under the Competition Act ( Section 16.2 ) .
Federal police body , intelligence body ... I can see why they might have a desire to get subscriber information , but the competition commissioner ?
What kind of competition requires particular subscriber data - other than maybe the RCMP and CSIS competing for liberty-trampling-jackboot-thug-of-the-year .
It is n't -quite- as ridiculous as the summary makes it out to be .
Section 17 outlines the circumstances under which police may request subscriber information , and while it falls short of requiring a warrant be issued , it is allegedly limited to circumstances of imminent harm by or to the subscriber .
Section 17 also requires reporting by the police to the applicable agency who would normally make a request , listed in section 16 .
Section 18 refers to records which must be kept when requests are made .
Section 19 restricts the use of requested information to the matter about which the request was made ( no fishing expeditions or tying subscriber information into other matters ) .
Section 20 outlines auditing and reporting by the bodies making requests , the privacy commissioner , and the Minister responsible for the requesting body .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The actual text of the bill is at C-47 [parl.gc.ca].
Like all bills, there are some interesting bits to it.
For example, requests of service providers can be made by (for the purposes of carrying out the duties of) the Commissioner of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, the Director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, or the Commissioner of Competition under the Competition Act  (Section 16.2).
Federal police body, intelligence body ... I can see why they might have a desire to get subscriber information, but the competition commissioner?
What kind of competition requires particular subscriber data - other than maybe the RCMP and CSIS competing for liberty-trampling-jackboot-thug-of-the-year.
It isn't -quite- as ridiculous as the summary makes it out to be.
Section 17 outlines the circumstances under which police may request subscriber information, and while it falls short of requiring a warrant be issued, it is allegedly limited to circumstances of imminent harm by or to the subscriber.
Section 17 also requires reporting by the police to the applicable agency who would normally make a request, listed in section 16.
Section 18 refers to records which must be kept when requests are made.
Section 19 restricts the use of requested information to the matter about which the request was made (no fishing expeditions or tying subscriber information into other matters).
Section 20 outlines auditing and reporting by the bodies making requests, the privacy commissioner, and the Minister responsible for the requesting body.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383219</id>
	<title>Encryption</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245330360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because no bad guys would ever actually use encryption. Warrantless searches are only going to allow law enforcement to catch complete idiots who could have been caught 1000 other ways. Phone call asking them personnally would probably work. It will be useful for surreptiously monitoring the casual and (expected to be) private conversations of average citizens.</p><p>The possibility and probability for abuse of this is staggering. So:<br>1. cops get easier means of collaring idiots rather than doing the hard cases...aka "we're so incredibly busy pulling over speeders to make our quotas, we have no time to stop the drunks and reckless maniacs."<br>2. a whole staff of official internet peeping-toms get overpaid to go through personal data.<br>3. The few really bad apples in the government get an incredibly powerful new tool for blackmail, insider trading, political manipulation, fraud, and a whole host of other evils.</p><p>5 years from now some reporter will be write an expose on how some evil gov internet monitor is abusing his power and has hurt or ruined hundreds or thousands of individual citizens, and everyone will be saying "how could this have possibly happened?" Duh.</p><p>For all those who say "that'll never happen", please see what the original purpose of the American social security number was, how it's used today, and the assurances protesters of the time where given. "Only ever going to be used for SS benefits"...yeah right.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because no bad guys would ever actually use encryption .
Warrantless searches are only going to allow law enforcement to catch complete idiots who could have been caught 1000 other ways .
Phone call asking them personnally would probably work .
It will be useful for surreptiously monitoring the casual and ( expected to be ) private conversations of average citizens.The possibility and probability for abuse of this is staggering .
So : 1. cops get easier means of collaring idiots rather than doing the hard cases...aka " we 're so incredibly busy pulling over speeders to make our quotas , we have no time to stop the drunks and reckless maniacs. " 2 .
a whole staff of official internet peeping-toms get overpaid to go through personal data.3 .
The few really bad apples in the government get an incredibly powerful new tool for blackmail , insider trading , political manipulation , fraud , and a whole host of other evils.5 years from now some reporter will be write an expose on how some evil gov internet monitor is abusing his power and has hurt or ruined hundreds or thousands of individual citizens , and everyone will be saying " how could this have possibly happened ?
" Duh.For all those who say " that 'll never happen " , please see what the original purpose of the American social security number was , how it 's used today , and the assurances protesters of the time where given .
" Only ever going to be used for SS benefits " ...yeah right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because no bad guys would ever actually use encryption.
Warrantless searches are only going to allow law enforcement to catch complete idiots who could have been caught 1000 other ways.
Phone call asking them personnally would probably work.
It will be useful for surreptiously monitoring the casual and (expected to be) private conversations of average citizens.The possibility and probability for abuse of this is staggering.
So:1. cops get easier means of collaring idiots rather than doing the hard cases...aka "we're so incredibly busy pulling over speeders to make our quotas, we have no time to stop the drunks and reckless maniacs."2.
a whole staff of official internet peeping-toms get overpaid to go through personal data.3.
The few really bad apples in the government get an incredibly powerful new tool for blackmail, insider trading, political manipulation, fraud, and a whole host of other evils.5 years from now some reporter will be write an expose on how some evil gov internet monitor is abusing his power and has hurt or ruined hundreds or thousands of individual citizens, and everyone will be saying "how could this have possibly happened?
" Duh.For all those who say "that'll never happen", please see what the original purpose of the American social security number was, how it's used today, and the assurances protesters of the time where given.
"Only ever going to be used for SS benefits"...yeah right.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28387939</id>
	<title>Re:I like that phrasing.</title>
	<author>psyklopz</author>
	<datestamp>1245417000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Along with this is that anyone who begins a statement with 'in this post-9/11 world...' is about to try to convince you to give up some sort of freedom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Along with this is that anyone who begins a statement with 'in this post-9/11 world... ' is about to try to convince you to give up some sort of freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Along with this is that anyone who begins a statement with 'in this post-9/11 world...' is about to try to convince you to give up some sort of freedom.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381081</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28385667</id>
	<title>Rectal Probe 1.0</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245349740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All they need after this is a rectal probe and some dental records and they have you body and soul.  Phone tapping?  No problem!  What you watch on TV?  Of course!  What you buy, how you shop and what your bank account has?  Naturally!  Health records?  Certainly!  What a fucking joke of a bill!  I need more information on the ass-hat who proposed it, and send them to Auschwitz for some sensitivity training and reality checks on abuses of power.  Perhaps we can call this one 'the Star-Of-David bill' in recollection of the Nazi's demanding Jewish citizens wear the Star of David to identify them (and persecute them).  This bill turns prosecution into persecution.  On second thought, this isn't just a rectal probe, its a rectal probe that also acts as a cattle prod.  If you are uncomfortable but not in a lot of pain bzzzzzzt!  Hows that?  The sonofabitch who dreamed this up needs more than a gentle bitchslapping, he needs an oedema!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All they need after this is a rectal probe and some dental records and they have you body and soul .
Phone tapping ?
No problem !
What you watch on TV ?
Of course !
What you buy , how you shop and what your bank account has ?
Naturally ! Health records ?
Certainly ! What a fucking joke of a bill !
I need more information on the ass-hat who proposed it , and send them to Auschwitz for some sensitivity training and reality checks on abuses of power .
Perhaps we can call this one 'the Star-Of-David bill ' in recollection of the Nazi 's demanding Jewish citizens wear the Star of David to identify them ( and persecute them ) .
This bill turns prosecution into persecution .
On second thought , this is n't just a rectal probe , its a rectal probe that also acts as a cattle prod .
If you are uncomfortable but not in a lot of pain bzzzzzzt !
Hows that ?
The sonofabitch who dreamed this up needs more than a gentle bitchslapping , he needs an oedema !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All they need after this is a rectal probe and some dental records and they have you body and soul.
Phone tapping?
No problem!
What you watch on TV?
Of course!
What you buy, how you shop and what your bank account has?
Naturally!  Health records?
Certainly!  What a fucking joke of a bill!
I need more information on the ass-hat who proposed it, and send them to Auschwitz for some sensitivity training and reality checks on abuses of power.
Perhaps we can call this one 'the Star-Of-David bill' in recollection of the Nazi's demanding Jewish citizens wear the Star of David to identify them (and persecute them).
This bill turns prosecution into persecution.
On second thought, this isn't just a rectal probe, its a rectal probe that also acts as a cattle prod.
If you are uncomfortable but not in a lot of pain bzzzzzzt!
Hows that?
The sonofabitch who dreamed this up needs more than a gentle bitchslapping, he needs an oedema!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381095</id>
	<title>What specifically should constitute unreasonable?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245321360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In practical terms, what constitutes and unreasonable search where privacy is concerned?  No, this is not a troll question.  Just hear me out.</p><p>I think that the primary concern for most people where access to personal information is concerned is generally within the following areas.</p><p>1)  Protection from 'planted evidence' when targeted by a law enforcement investigation<br>2)  Protection from Identity Theft<br>3)  Not having their private information used in a way that will harm their personal life.<br>4)  Not having their private information used  in a way that will harm their job.</p><p>If those things can be respected and guaranteed, how would a warrent less search of your e-mail by law enforcement be unreasonable?  If those who accessed that information were held liable in the event that accessing that information caused harm, I do not really see the problem.</p><p>I do not care if the police know that I have a mistress and that I am planning on looking for a new job.  But I do not want my wife or my boss or my friends to know these things.</p><p>END COMMUNICATION</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In practical terms , what constitutes and unreasonable search where privacy is concerned ?
No , this is not a troll question .
Just hear me out.I think that the primary concern for most people where access to personal information is concerned is generally within the following areas.1 ) Protection from 'planted evidence ' when targeted by a law enforcement investigation2 ) Protection from Identity Theft3 ) Not having their private information used in a way that will harm their personal life.4 ) Not having their private information used in a way that will harm their job.If those things can be respected and guaranteed , how would a warrent less search of your e-mail by law enforcement be unreasonable ?
If those who accessed that information were held liable in the event that accessing that information caused harm , I do not really see the problem.I do not care if the police know that I have a mistress and that I am planning on looking for a new job .
But I do not want my wife or my boss or my friends to know these things.END COMMUNICATION</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In practical terms, what constitutes and unreasonable search where privacy is concerned?
No, this is not a troll question.
Just hear me out.I think that the primary concern for most people where access to personal information is concerned is generally within the following areas.1)  Protection from 'planted evidence' when targeted by a law enforcement investigation2)  Protection from Identity Theft3)  Not having their private information used in a way that will harm their personal life.4)  Not having their private information used  in a way that will harm their job.If those things can be respected and guaranteed, how would a warrent less search of your e-mail by law enforcement be unreasonable?
If those who accessed that information were held liable in the event that accessing that information caused harm, I do not really see the problem.I do not care if the police know that I have a mistress and that I am planning on looking for a new job.
But I do not want my wife or my boss or my friends to know these things.END COMMUNICATION</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380819</id>
	<title>Michael Geist was there first (;-))</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245320220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Michael Geist has it, at <a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/MichaelGeistsBlog/~3/PC0\_EzcvtUI/" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">
Government Introduces Bill To Require Surveillance Capabilities, Mandated Subscriber Disclosure</a> [google.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Michael Geist has it , at Government Introduces Bill To Require Surveillance Capabilities , Mandated Subscriber Disclosure [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Michael Geist has it, at 
Government Introduces Bill To Require Surveillance Capabilities, Mandated Subscriber Disclosure [google.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28396775</id>
	<title>Even worse</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1245410760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With so many people actually supporting stuff like this, our rights wont slowly fade but will go out with much fanfare and flag waving.</p><p>Reminds me of that scene in starwars: 'so this is how freedom ends... '</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With so many people actually supporting stuff like this , our rights wont slowly fade but will go out with much fanfare and flag waving.Reminds me of that scene in starwars : 'so this is how freedom ends... '</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With so many people actually supporting stuff like this, our rights wont slowly fade but will go out with much fanfare and flag waving.Reminds me of that scene in starwars: 'so this is how freedom ends... '</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28382853</id>
	<title>Just some info...</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1245329160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is all political ammunition for the next election, but the chances of this actually getting anywhere before the parliament goes into recess is pretty slim.  See Canada's government shuts down on Friday for the summer.  The Liberal party has been repeatedly trying to dig at the minority, and topple the government.  More than likely Canada will have a fall election, so any issue that is a traction issue is a good issue.  This happened the last time when the Liberals were in power as well.</p><p>So what will happen is this:  Bill will get stuck, parliament will close.  Government will collapse sometime in the fall.  Election comes up.  This becomes a traction issue along with a pile of others, that amazing 6\% of the electorate that hasn't decided who they're voting for is being swayed one way or the other.  Back and forth, and we'll find out who is the next PM.</p><p>So on and so forth, welcome to Canadian politics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is all political ammunition for the next election , but the chances of this actually getting anywhere before the parliament goes into recess is pretty slim .
See Canada 's government shuts down on Friday for the summer .
The Liberal party has been repeatedly trying to dig at the minority , and topple the government .
More than likely Canada will have a fall election , so any issue that is a traction issue is a good issue .
This happened the last time when the Liberals were in power as well.So what will happen is this : Bill will get stuck , parliament will close .
Government will collapse sometime in the fall .
Election comes up .
This becomes a traction issue along with a pile of others , that amazing 6 \ % of the electorate that has n't decided who they 're voting for is being swayed one way or the other .
Back and forth , and we 'll find out who is the next PM.So on and so forth , welcome to Canadian politics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is all political ammunition for the next election, but the chances of this actually getting anywhere before the parliament goes into recess is pretty slim.
See Canada's government shuts down on Friday for the summer.
The Liberal party has been repeatedly trying to dig at the minority, and topple the government.
More than likely Canada will have a fall election, so any issue that is a traction issue is a good issue.
This happened the last time when the Liberals were in power as well.So what will happen is this:  Bill will get stuck, parliament will close.
Government will collapse sometime in the fall.
Election comes up.
This becomes a traction issue along with a pile of others, that amazing 6\% of the electorate that hasn't decided who they're voting for is being swayed one way or the other.
Back and forth, and we'll find out who is the next PM.So on and so forth, welcome to Canadian politics.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28383285</id>
	<title>Re:a bit more complicated then that....</title>
	<author>J Story</author>
	<datestamp>1245330720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>[A} warrant would still be required for eavesdropping, but "basic subscriber information" (name, address, telephone number and Internet Protocol (IP) address, e-mail address, service provider identification and certain cell phone identifiers) would be available without a warrant.</p></div><p>It will be interesting how this all plays out. First, given that this is a minority government, at least one of the opposition parties must support the bill. Not likely if there is a chance they can score political points by voting against. Second, if the bill is eventually made law it will inevitably face a constitutional challenge. Given current privacy concerns it is by no means a slam dunk that the law will survive unscathed.</p><p>Most likely, however, is that the government will fall shortly after parliament resumes after the summer break, killing the bill.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ A } warrant would still be required for eavesdropping , but " basic subscriber information " ( name , address , telephone number and Internet Protocol ( IP ) address , e-mail address , service provider identification and certain cell phone identifiers ) would be available without a warrant.It will be interesting how this all plays out .
First , given that this is a minority government , at least one of the opposition parties must support the bill .
Not likely if there is a chance they can score political points by voting against .
Second , if the bill is eventually made law it will inevitably face a constitutional challenge .
Given current privacy concerns it is by no means a slam dunk that the law will survive unscathed.Most likely , however , is that the government will fall shortly after parliament resumes after the summer break , killing the bill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[A} warrant would still be required for eavesdropping, but "basic subscriber information" (name, address, telephone number and Internet Protocol (IP) address, e-mail address, service provider identification and certain cell phone identifiers) would be available without a warrant.It will be interesting how this all plays out.
First, given that this is a minority government, at least one of the opposition parties must support the bill.
Not likely if there is a chance they can score political points by voting against.
Second, if the bill is eventually made law it will inevitably face a constitutional challenge.
Given current privacy concerns it is by no means a slam dunk that the law will survive unscathed.Most likely, however, is that the government will fall shortly after parliament resumes after the summer break, killing the bill.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28386681</id>
	<title>Re:That's it, I'm moving to ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245403140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At the rate things are going downhill, you might as well move to China. At least you'll know what to expect then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At the rate things are going downhill , you might as well move to China .
At least you 'll know what to expect then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the rate things are going downhill, you might as well move to China.
At least you'll know what to expect then.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28380663</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28387761</id>
	<title>Which ISP's are bending over?</title>
	<author>kang82</author>
	<datestamp>1245415740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the Calgary Herald:

"Police currently face a patchwork of responses from Internet providers, as some comply immediately, others delay, and some demand a warrant before releasing the information. Others simply do not have the capabilities allowing for cyber wiretapping."

I'd like to know which ones are standing up for their customers rights and which aren't...

A Bell spokeswoman was quoted "The costs of policing should not be downloaded on to one particular industrial sector. Other funding mechanisms must be found."

So basically they will gladly sell out their customers but are still haggling over the compensation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the Calgary Herald : " Police currently face a patchwork of responses from Internet providers , as some comply immediately , others delay , and some demand a warrant before releasing the information .
Others simply do not have the capabilities allowing for cyber wiretapping .
" I 'd like to know which ones are standing up for their customers rights and which are n't.. . A Bell spokeswoman was quoted " The costs of policing should not be downloaded on to one particular industrial sector .
Other funding mechanisms must be found .
" So basically they will gladly sell out their customers but are still haggling over the compensation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the Calgary Herald:

"Police currently face a patchwork of responses from Internet providers, as some comply immediately, others delay, and some demand a warrant before releasing the information.
Others simply do not have the capabilities allowing for cyber wiretapping.
"

I'd like to know which ones are standing up for their customers rights and which aren't...

A Bell spokeswoman was quoted "The costs of policing should not be downloaded on to one particular industrial sector.
Other funding mechanisms must be found.
"

So basically they will gladly sell out their customers but are still haggling over the compensation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_2043242.28381957</id>
	<title>Re:It's not like...</title>
	<author>BlueKitties</author>
	<datestamp>1245325080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately, this is a world that likes to set logic aside and play by letter of law; not thinking out your wording is often more destructive than ill-intended but well thought out wording (at least one doesn't come with surprises twenty years down the line!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , this is a world that likes to set logic aside and play by letter of law ; not thinking out your wording is often more destructive than ill-intended but well thought out wording ( at least one does n't come with surprises twenty years down the line !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, this is a world that likes to set logic aside and play by letter of law; not thinking out your wording is often more destructive than ill-intended but well thought out wording (at least one doesn't come with surprises twenty years down the line!
)</sentencetext>
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