<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_18_130212</id>
	<title>US Plans To Bulldoze 50 Shrinking Cities</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1245350700000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>chrb writes <i>"Two days ago Slashdot discussed <a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/15/1641219/Broke-Counties-Turn-Failing-Roads-To-Gravel">broke counties grinding their tarmac roads into gravel</a>. Now the Telegraph reveals plans to <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html">raze huge sections of at least 50 US cities to the ground</a>. The resulting smaller cities will be more economical to run, and the recovered land will be returned to nature."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>chrb writes " Two days ago Slashdot discussed broke counties grinding their tarmac roads into gravel .
Now the Telegraph reveals plans to raze huge sections of at least 50 US cities to the ground .
The resulting smaller cities will be more economical to run , and the recovered land will be returned to nature .
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<sentencetext>chrb writes "Two days ago Slashdot discussed broke counties grinding their tarmac roads into gravel.
Now the Telegraph reveals plans to raze huge sections of at least 50 US cities to the ground.
The resulting smaller cities will be more economical to run, and the recovered land will be returned to nature.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28391009</id>
	<title>Re:better idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245430800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DC is already walled off. They're called <i>noise barriers</i> and they're all around the Capital Beltway. If we could just get rid of all those cars, then 495 would be a no man's land.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DC is already walled off .
They 're called noise barriers and they 're all around the Capital Beltway .
If we could just get rid of all those cars , then 495 would be a no man 's land .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DC is already walled off.
They're called noise barriers and they're all around the Capital Beltway.
If we could just get rid of all those cars, then 495 would be a no man's land.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28387197</id>
	<title>Re:Detroit</title>
	<author>Dexter Herbivore</author>
	<datestamp>1245409440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wouldn't you get a company called OCP come along and try to devalue land even further, so that they could create cyborg/zombie police officers and mechanised devices called ED-209 to further their plan to build New Detroit?

That's just how I think it would happen...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't you get a company called OCP come along and try to devalue land even further , so that they could create cyborg/zombie police officers and mechanised devices called ED-209 to further their plan to build New Detroit ?
That 's just how I think it would happen.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't you get a company called OCP come along and try to devalue land even further, so that they could create cyborg/zombie police officers and mechanised devices called ED-209 to further their plan to build New Detroit?
That's just how I think it would happen...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381577</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>olivebridge</author>
	<datestamp>1245323340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>notice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing: pittsburgh.</p></div><p>from TFA:
</p><p>
( <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html" title="telegraph.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html</a> [telegraph.co.uk] )
<br>
"Most are former industrial cities in the "rust belt" of America's Mid-West and North East. They include Detroit, Philadelphia, <b>Pittsburgh</b>, Baltimore and Memphis."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>notice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing : pittsburgh.from TFA : ( http : //www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html [ telegraph.co.uk ] ) " Most are former industrial cities in the " rust belt " of America 's Mid-West and North East .
They include Detroit , Philadelphia , Pittsburgh , Baltimore and Memphis .
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<sentencetext>notice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing: pittsburgh.from TFA:

( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5516536/US-cities-may-have-to-be-bulldozed-in-order-to-survive.html [telegraph.co.uk] )

"Most are former industrial cities in the "rust belt" of America's Mid-West and North East.
They include Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Memphis.
"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380657</id>
	<title>Re:Tent Cities</title>
	<author>XPisthenewNT</author>
	<datestamp>1245319620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's been a tent city moving around the outskirts of Seattle for 6 or 8 months, calling itself Nickelsville (in honor of Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels).  It just recently moved to West Seattle: <a href="http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=17881" title="westseattleblog.com" rel="nofollow">http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=17881</a> [westseattleblog.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's been a tent city moving around the outskirts of Seattle for 6 or 8 months , calling itself Nickelsville ( in honor of Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels ) .
It just recently moved to West Seattle : http : //westseattleblog.com/blog/ ? p = 17881 [ westseattleblog.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's been a tent city moving around the outskirts of Seattle for 6 or 8 months, calling itself Nickelsville (in honor of Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels).
It just recently moved to West Seattle: http://westseattleblog.com/blog/?p=17881 [westseattleblog.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380253</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>module0000</author>
	<datestamp>1245318000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.  It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.</p></div><p>Cleansing doesn't sound like such a bad idea.  "Ethnic cleansing" is detestable, but allowing criminals to live among us isn't that bright.  Rewind 100-150 years: hardly any criminals, and LOTS of gallows.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How this is n't considered " ethnically cleansing " cities is beyond me .
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.Cleansing does n't sound like such a bad idea .
" Ethnic cleansing " is detestable , but allowing criminals to live among us is n't that bright .
Rewind 100-150 years : hardly any criminals , and LOTS of gallows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.Cleansing doesn't sound like such a bad idea.
"Ethnic cleansing" is detestable, but allowing criminals to live among us isn't that bright.
Rewind 100-150 years: hardly any criminals, and LOTS of gallows.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382721</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1245328680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh please.</p><p>Here's another compact dream city: NYC (specifically Manhattan).  It's safe, you can walk most places and get around quickly on the subway, there's a nice park in the middle.  But if you don't work in finance or fashion or in some other way make 6 figures or more, you can't live there, so that excludes most Americans from even thinking about it.</p><p>San Francisco is nice, but it's not exactly someplace you live in you're straight and have a family.</p><p>Most cities are NOT like NYC, LA, SF, etc.  They're usually more like Atlanta.  The suburbs are fairly safe, and the downtown is a big ghetto full of crime and drugs.  There's a reason white people (or rather, middle-class people) have been moving out of cities: they want to get away from all the crime, or in places like NYC or SF, they want to go someplace where they can afford a decent-sized house on their income because the housing is too expensive.</p><p><i>What's the point in living in a city if you can't walk anywhere?</i></p><p>The point of living in a city is employment.  It's been that way since the industrial revolution.  People don't usually move to cities because they really want to live around so many other people; they go there because there's employment, and they're hungry.  Niceties like walkability are luxuries in selecting a city to move to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh please.Here 's another compact dream city : NYC ( specifically Manhattan ) .
It 's safe , you can walk most places and get around quickly on the subway , there 's a nice park in the middle .
But if you do n't work in finance or fashion or in some other way make 6 figures or more , you ca n't live there , so that excludes most Americans from even thinking about it.San Francisco is nice , but it 's not exactly someplace you live in you 're straight and have a family.Most cities are NOT like NYC , LA , SF , etc .
They 're usually more like Atlanta .
The suburbs are fairly safe , and the downtown is a big ghetto full of crime and drugs .
There 's a reason white people ( or rather , middle-class people ) have been moving out of cities : they want to get away from all the crime , or in places like NYC or SF , they want to go someplace where they can afford a decent-sized house on their income because the housing is too expensive.What 's the point in living in a city if you ca n't walk anywhere ? The point of living in a city is employment .
It 's been that way since the industrial revolution .
People do n't usually move to cities because they really want to live around so many other people ; they go there because there 's employment , and they 're hungry .
Niceties like walkability are luxuries in selecting a city to move to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh please.Here's another compact dream city: NYC (specifically Manhattan).
It's safe, you can walk most places and get around quickly on the subway, there's a nice park in the middle.
But if you don't work in finance or fashion or in some other way make 6 figures or more, you can't live there, so that excludes most Americans from even thinking about it.San Francisco is nice, but it's not exactly someplace you live in you're straight and have a family.Most cities are NOT like NYC, LA, SF, etc.
They're usually more like Atlanta.
The suburbs are fairly safe, and the downtown is a big ghetto full of crime and drugs.
There's a reason white people (or rather, middle-class people) have been moving out of cities: they want to get away from all the crime, or in places like NYC or SF, they want to go someplace where they can afford a decent-sized house on their income because the housing is too expensive.What's the point in living in a city if you can't walk anywhere?The point of living in a city is employment.
It's been that way since the industrial revolution.
People don't usually move to cities because they really want to live around so many other people; they go there because there's employment, and they're hungry.
Niceties like walkability are luxuries in selecting a city to move to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28388065</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Shome</author>
	<datestamp>1245417780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>I hear summer falls on a Saturday this year so the Alaskans should be happy!</i> </p></div><p>They had a regular summer last year, when I was visiting the city.

I missed it entirely - I was watching a movie.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear summer falls on a Saturday this year so the Alaskans should be happy !
They had a regular summer last year , when I was visiting the city .
I missed it entirely - I was watching a movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I hear summer falls on a Saturday this year so the Alaskans should be happy!
They had a regular summer last year, when I was visiting the city.
I missed it entirely - I was watching a movie.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378859</id>
	<title>Your house without you</title>
	<author>rlseaman</author>
	<datestamp>1245356820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Take a look at <a href="http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html" title="worldwithoutus.com">http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html</a> [worldwithoutus.com].  Houses decay if they are not maintained.  They decay rather rapidly.  Unless ownership can be conveyed in some fashion to attentive stewards, a house will come down one way or another.  Far better to plan the inevitable downsizing than to pretend it isn't going to happen.</p><p>All engineering should consider the full lifecycle.  These houses were built in more optimistic times, but was it thought they would stand forever?  The only real difference between sustainable technologies and cancerous growth is that the plan for obsolescence includes the needs of the many, not just the wants of the few.</p><p>

     "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity."<br>
      What profit has a man from all his labor<br>
      In which he toils under the sun?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a look at http : //www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html [ worldwithoutus.com ] .
Houses decay if they are not maintained .
They decay rather rapidly .
Unless ownership can be conveyed in some fashion to attentive stewards , a house will come down one way or another .
Far better to plan the inevitable downsizing than to pretend it is n't going to happen.All engineering should consider the full lifecycle .
These houses were built in more optimistic times , but was it thought they would stand forever ?
The only real difference between sustainable technologies and cancerous growth is that the plan for obsolescence includes the needs of the many , not just the wants of the few .
" Vanity of vanities , all is vanity .
" What profit has a man from all his labor In which he toils under the sun ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a look at http://www.worldwithoutus.com/index2.html [worldwithoutus.com].
Houses decay if they are not maintained.
They decay rather rapidly.
Unless ownership can be conveyed in some fashion to attentive stewards, a house will come down one way or another.
Far better to plan the inevitable downsizing than to pretend it isn't going to happen.All engineering should consider the full lifecycle.
These houses were built in more optimistic times, but was it thought they would stand forever?
The only real difference between sustainable technologies and cancerous growth is that the plan for obsolescence includes the needs of the many, not just the wants of the few.
"Vanity of vanities, all is vanity.
"
      What profit has a man from all his labor
      In which he toils under the sun?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379387</id>
	<title>Proceed With Caution -</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245358500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are blighted and vacant properties all over my town, too. A large fraction of them are uninhabitable, and so badly dilapidated that recovering them would not be economical. Those can go; they're not safe, they're atrocious to look at, and nobody in their right mind would ever purchase and repair them.<br><br>However - and I'd like to think that with the recent housing bust, there's been talk of doing something like this - the housing authority and the many highly active charities operating here should treat this as an opportunity. Letting a one or two bedroom home rot when there's a growing number of people out on the street putting themselves and others at risk is a waste. Why do that when they could be housed in these residences on the condition that they help restore the property and seek employment? (Such programs, already active here, are part of the reason our rates of homelessness and crime are a lot lower than logic dictates that they should be.)<br><br>Rumors of land-grabbing aside, the simple fact is that there are more - many, many more - vacant homes here than we could possibly fill, and a large portion of them have decayed past the point of no return. That's after considering that a nice house here is dirt cheap these days. Get rid of the blights, the eyesores, the deathtraps, and do as we've done with helping the needy to establish themselves. It'd be an improvement.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are blighted and vacant properties all over my town , too .
A large fraction of them are uninhabitable , and so badly dilapidated that recovering them would not be economical .
Those can go ; they 're not safe , they 're atrocious to look at , and nobody in their right mind would ever purchase and repair them.However - and I 'd like to think that with the recent housing bust , there 's been talk of doing something like this - the housing authority and the many highly active charities operating here should treat this as an opportunity .
Letting a one or two bedroom home rot when there 's a growing number of people out on the street putting themselves and others at risk is a waste .
Why do that when they could be housed in these residences on the condition that they help restore the property and seek employment ?
( Such programs , already active here , are part of the reason our rates of homelessness and crime are a lot lower than logic dictates that they should be .
) Rumors of land-grabbing aside , the simple fact is that there are more - many , many more - vacant homes here than we could possibly fill , and a large portion of them have decayed past the point of no return .
That 's after considering that a nice house here is dirt cheap these days .
Get rid of the blights , the eyesores , the deathtraps , and do as we 've done with helping the needy to establish themselves .
It 'd be an improvement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are blighted and vacant properties all over my town, too.
A large fraction of them are uninhabitable, and so badly dilapidated that recovering them would not be economical.
Those can go; they're not safe, they're atrocious to look at, and nobody in their right mind would ever purchase and repair them.However - and I'd like to think that with the recent housing bust, there's been talk of doing something like this - the housing authority and the many highly active charities operating here should treat this as an opportunity.
Letting a one or two bedroom home rot when there's a growing number of people out on the street putting themselves and others at risk is a waste.
Why do that when they could be housed in these residences on the condition that they help restore the property and seek employment?
(Such programs, already active here, are part of the reason our rates of homelessness and crime are a lot lower than logic dictates that they should be.
)Rumors of land-grabbing aside, the simple fact is that there are more - many, many more - vacant homes here than we could possibly fill, and a large portion of them have decayed past the point of no return.
That's after considering that a nice house here is dirt cheap these days.
Get rid of the blights, the eyesores, the deathtraps, and do as we've done with helping the needy to establish themselves.
It'd be an improvement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384355</id>
	<title>Don't like the idea</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1245337140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't like this idea for three reasons. First, as I see it, it's beyond the purview of the federal government. What's next? They going to run our cities for us? The city government already is responsible for these types of decisions. We don't need the highest level of government intervening in stuff that frankly is none of their business. Second, I see this as a perverse economic incentive, like paying farmers not to farm or paying rich people to build expensive beachfront houses in the way of hurricanes. Now we're going to pay considerable public funds to destroy valuable property? Come on, it's monumentally stupid.<br> <br>

Finally, I see this as a gimmick to raise the price of real estate by destroying part of the supply. It's even worse than the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable\_of\_the\_broken\_window" title="wikipedia.org">Broken Window fallacy</a> [wikipedia.org] since no real economic activity is being spurred by this destruction.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't like this idea for three reasons .
First , as I see it , it 's beyond the purview of the federal government .
What 's next ?
They going to run our cities for us ?
The city government already is responsible for these types of decisions .
We do n't need the highest level of government intervening in stuff that frankly is none of their business .
Second , I see this as a perverse economic incentive , like paying farmers not to farm or paying rich people to build expensive beachfront houses in the way of hurricanes .
Now we 're going to pay considerable public funds to destroy valuable property ?
Come on , it 's monumentally stupid .
Finally , I see this as a gimmick to raise the price of real estate by destroying part of the supply .
It 's even worse than the Broken Window fallacy [ wikipedia.org ] since no real economic activity is being spurred by this destruction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't like this idea for three reasons.
First, as I see it, it's beyond the purview of the federal government.
What's next?
They going to run our cities for us?
The city government already is responsible for these types of decisions.
We don't need the highest level of government intervening in stuff that frankly is none of their business.
Second, I see this as a perverse economic incentive, like paying farmers not to farm or paying rich people to build expensive beachfront houses in the way of hurricanes.
Now we're going to pay considerable public funds to destroy valuable property?
Come on, it's monumentally stupid.
Finally, I see this as a gimmick to raise the price of real estate by destroying part of the supply.
It's even worse than the Broken Window fallacy [wikipedia.org] since no real economic activity is being spurred by this destruction.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380587</id>
	<title>Re:Dayton</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245319320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The new CEO is a douche bag... just my anonymous butts two cents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The new CEO is a douche bag... just my anonymous butts two cents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The new CEO is a douche bag... just my anonymous butts two cents.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381175</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245321600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why should I mark your words? They not worth the electrons they are printed with.</p><p>You argue that somehow the midwest will become some sort of paradise, once the cities are shrunk.  And that we'll all abandon are cars.</p><p>Not gonna happen.</p><p>I grew up in the midwest, it is alternately too cold, then too hot.  Driving is a fact of life.</p><p>I dunno, I think you write more out of hatred of what is, rather than from any vision of what will be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why should I mark your words ?
They not worth the electrons they are printed with.You argue that somehow the midwest will become some sort of paradise , once the cities are shrunk .
And that we 'll all abandon are cars.Not gon na happen.I grew up in the midwest , it is alternately too cold , then too hot .
Driving is a fact of life.I dunno , I think you write more out of hatred of what is , rather than from any vision of what will be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why should I mark your words?
They not worth the electrons they are printed with.You argue that somehow the midwest will become some sort of paradise, once the cities are shrunk.
And that we'll all abandon are cars.Not gonna happen.I grew up in the midwest, it is alternately too cold, then too hot.
Driving is a fact of life.I dunno, I think you write more out of hatred of what is, rather than from any vision of what will be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379603</id>
	<title>April Fools?</title>
	<author>mr\_zorg</author>
	<datestamp>1245315900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man, this just sounds like some kind of sick April Fool's joke!  But it's June...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , this just sounds like some kind of sick April Fool 's joke !
But it 's June.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, this just sounds like some kind of sick April Fool's joke!
But it's June...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378059</id>
	<title>better idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245354780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>We wall these areas off and turn them into Escape from New York style maximum security prisons.  As long as we don't fly Air Force One over that airspace we should be OK.  Kurt Russell is getting a bit too old to keep helping us out with that sort of thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We wall these areas off and turn them into Escape from New York style maximum security prisons .
As long as we do n't fly Air Force One over that airspace we should be OK. Kurt Russell is getting a bit too old to keep helping us out with that sort of thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We wall these areas off and turn them into Escape from New York style maximum security prisons.
As long as we don't fly Air Force One over that airspace we should be OK.  Kurt Russell is getting a bit too old to keep helping us out with that sort of thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380261</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245318000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't you DARE imply to anyone that they should move to Oregon.<br>It's a rotting hell hole of beggers, stink, red necks and sue happy bicyclist. It also rains for months on end.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't you DARE imply to anyone that they should move to Oregon.It 's a rotting hell hole of beggers , stink , red necks and sue happy bicyclist .
It also rains for months on end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't you DARE imply to anyone that they should move to Oregon.It's a rotting hell hole of beggers, stink, red necks and sue happy bicyclist.
It also rains for months on end.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378825</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380479</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245318900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sorry, I dn't want to be crammed into one of those sardine cans.. too many people in one place is just as unhealthy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sorry , I d n't want to be crammed into one of those sardine cans.. too many people in one place is just as unhealthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sorry, I dn't want to be crammed into one of those sardine cans.. too many people in one place is just as unhealthy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378461</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28393665</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Decay?</title>
	<author>Kadin2048</author>
	<datestamp>1245441720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If you wanted to do something useful with abandoned homes, you could use them to house people who are losing theirs.</p></div></blockquote><p>You can get houses either for free or for ridiculously low prices in places like Detroit and Flint.  People still aren't moving there.  There's no work -- you can get a house for free, but what do you do for electricity and heat and food?</p><p>You wouldn't be doing people who've gotten foreclosed on any favors by encouraging them to move to Flint or Detroit.  You wouldn't do those cities any favors either; they're cash-strapped enough as it is, providing services to the people who live there, without adding more residents.</p><p>People have been trying for years to figure out what to do with the surplus housing in the rust belt and former industrial cities.  It's a losing battle, and it's time to admit that nobody wants to live in these cities the way they are now, and work on making them places people want to move to by choice, not just because they have nowhere else to go.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you wanted to do something useful with abandoned homes , you could use them to house people who are losing theirs.You can get houses either for free or for ridiculously low prices in places like Detroit and Flint .
People still are n't moving there .
There 's no work -- you can get a house for free , but what do you do for electricity and heat and food ? You would n't be doing people who 've gotten foreclosed on any favors by encouraging them to move to Flint or Detroit .
You would n't do those cities any favors either ; they 're cash-strapped enough as it is , providing services to the people who live there , without adding more residents.People have been trying for years to figure out what to do with the surplus housing in the rust belt and former industrial cities .
It 's a losing battle , and it 's time to admit that nobody wants to live in these cities the way they are now , and work on making them places people want to move to by choice , not just because they have nowhere else to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you wanted to do something useful with abandoned homes, you could use them to house people who are losing theirs.You can get houses either for free or for ridiculously low prices in places like Detroit and Flint.
People still aren't moving there.
There's no work -- you can get a house for free, but what do you do for electricity and heat and food?You wouldn't be doing people who've gotten foreclosed on any favors by encouraging them to move to Flint or Detroit.
You wouldn't do those cities any favors either; they're cash-strapped enough as it is, providing services to the people who live there, without adding more residents.People have been trying for years to figure out what to do with the surplus housing in the rust belt and former industrial cities.
It's a losing battle, and it's time to admit that nobody wants to live in these cities the way they are now, and work on making them places people want to move to by choice, not just because they have nowhere else to go.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383641</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28408685</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245617040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"They had bike paths along all major roads, and wide shoulders on all others. I took up biking while I was there as a form of both transportation and recreation. (Unfortunately, cycling in the winter isn't much of an option there. Shame too, because it's a surprisingly nice place to live when it isn't winter)"</p><p>Another reason to build the bridge to nowhere?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" They had bike paths along all major roads , and wide shoulders on all others .
I took up biking while I was there as a form of both transportation and recreation .
( Unfortunately , cycling in the winter is n't much of an option there .
Shame too , because it 's a surprisingly nice place to live when it is n't winter ) " Another reason to build the bridge to nowhere ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"They had bike paths along all major roads, and wide shoulders on all others.
I took up biking while I was there as a form of both transportation and recreation.
(Unfortunately, cycling in the winter isn't much of an option there.
Shame too, because it's a surprisingly nice place to live when it isn't winter)"Another reason to build the bridge to nowhere?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380133</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382971</id>
	<title>Re:Pollution?</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1245329580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Asbestos isn't hazardous: it's a naturally occurring material.  It's hazardous to humans if they breathe it, but then again, hemlock is a naturally occurring material and is also hazardous to humans.</p><p>Dealing with asbestos is simple: just bury it.  It came from the earth, so return it to the earth.  Just be sure to wear a respirator while you're working with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Asbestos is n't hazardous : it 's a naturally occurring material .
It 's hazardous to humans if they breathe it , but then again , hemlock is a naturally occurring material and is also hazardous to humans.Dealing with asbestos is simple : just bury it .
It came from the earth , so return it to the earth .
Just be sure to wear a respirator while you 're working with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Asbestos isn't hazardous: it's a naturally occurring material.
It's hazardous to humans if they breathe it, but then again, hemlock is a naturally occurring material and is also hazardous to humans.Dealing with asbestos is simple: just bury it.
It came from the earth, so return it to the earth.
Just be sure to wear a respirator while you're working with it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28377921</id>
	<title>Perhaps can start with Crawford, TX</title>
	<author>goffster</author>
	<datestamp>1245354420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing useful ever came out of that.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing useful ever came out of that .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing useful ever came out of that.
:)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379687</id>
	<title>Re:Fantastic</title>
	<author>Steauengeglase</author>
	<datestamp>1245316200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I had the points I'd give them to you.</p><p>A few years back we had this old, gorgeous house on the edge of town whose owners died and left heirless. One group wanted it razed for nature, another want it preserved. Group B raised millions to relocate it. Long story short, the millions were used to raze it and a strip mall was built. The truth be told beauty is a resource that is only fit for destruction. If you don't agree with that, well, there are a million ass-holes who will be more than happy to do it for you.</p><p>All these razed swaths are going to do is become cheap development land that is cleared off at the tax payers expense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I had the points I 'd give them to you.A few years back we had this old , gorgeous house on the edge of town whose owners died and left heirless .
One group wanted it razed for nature , another want it preserved .
Group B raised millions to relocate it .
Long story short , the millions were used to raze it and a strip mall was built .
The truth be told beauty is a resource that is only fit for destruction .
If you do n't agree with that , well , there are a million ass-holes who will be more than happy to do it for you.All these razed swaths are going to do is become cheap development land that is cleared off at the tax payers expense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I had the points I'd give them to you.A few years back we had this old, gorgeous house on the edge of town whose owners died and left heirless.
One group wanted it razed for nature, another want it preserved.
Group B raised millions to relocate it.
Long story short, the millions were used to raze it and a strip mall was built.
The truth be told beauty is a resource that is only fit for destruction.
If you don't agree with that, well, there are a million ass-holes who will be more than happy to do it for you.All these razed swaths are going to do is become cheap development land that is cleared off at the tax payers expense.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378159</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378159</id>
	<title>Fantastic</title>
	<author>AvitarX</author>
	<datestamp>1245355020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The great depression brought us some awesome things in parks.</p><p>Maybe this one can lead to some awesome parks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The great depression brought us some awesome things in parks.Maybe this one can lead to some awesome parks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The great depression brought us some awesome things in parks.Maybe this one can lead to some awesome parks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378183</id>
	<title>Demolition as usual</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245355080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Returned to nature"?</p><p>Bull!</p><p>It's just more corporate "demolish and redevelop" - just like 9/11.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Returned to nature " ? Bull ! It 's just more corporate " demolish and redevelop " - just like 9/11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Returned to nature"?Bull!It's just more corporate "demolish and redevelop" - just like 9/11.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378109</id>
	<title>Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>jskoda</author>
	<datestamp>1245354960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This seems like a win-win scenario.  Construction companies get hired to demolish the old buildings, which stimulates the economy and if the right buildings get the axe, old run down buildings full of lead paint and asbestos insulation go away and are replaced with meadows, forests or new greener buildings.

The catch would be all the geezers coming out of the wood-work to save all the "historical sites"</htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems like a win-win scenario .
Construction companies get hired to demolish the old buildings , which stimulates the economy and if the right buildings get the axe , old run down buildings full of lead paint and asbestos insulation go away and are replaced with meadows , forests or new greener buildings .
The catch would be all the geezers coming out of the wood-work to save all the " historical sites "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems like a win-win scenario.
Construction companies get hired to demolish the old buildings, which stimulates the economy and if the right buildings get the axe, old run down buildings full of lead paint and asbestos insulation go away and are replaced with meadows, forests or new greener buildings.
The catch would be all the geezers coming out of the wood-work to save all the "historical sites"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382097</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>mmaniaci</author>
	<datestamp>1245325620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>freefrangekids.org is a phishing site, don't follow the link</htmltext>
<tokenext>freefrangekids.org is a phishing site , do n't follow the link</tokentext>
<sentencetext>freefrangekids.org is a phishing site, don't follow the link</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380333</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378745</id>
	<title>Re:Demolition as usual</title>
	<author>Kadin2048</author>
	<datestamp>1245356580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh, people don't seem to be exactly chomping at the bit to "redevelop" these areas.  If they were, I'm sure Flint or Detroit would love to hear from them.  Real estate investment, especially commercial RE, isn't exactly a hot area right now, perhaps you've noticed.</p><p>They're demolishing them because nobody wants to live there, nobody wants to redevelop them, and the buildings are hazardous.</p><p>They would much prefer "demolish and redevelop" I'm sure, but they're going for "demolish, wait a generation or two, maybe hopefully redevelop," precisely because Plan A hasn't worked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , people do n't seem to be exactly chomping at the bit to " redevelop " these areas .
If they were , I 'm sure Flint or Detroit would love to hear from them .
Real estate investment , especially commercial RE , is n't exactly a hot area right now , perhaps you 've noticed.They 're demolishing them because nobody wants to live there , nobody wants to redevelop them , and the buildings are hazardous.They would much prefer " demolish and redevelop " I 'm sure , but they 're going for " demolish , wait a generation or two , maybe hopefully redevelop , " precisely because Plan A has n't worked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, people don't seem to be exactly chomping at the bit to "redevelop" these areas.
If they were, I'm sure Flint or Detroit would love to hear from them.
Real estate investment, especially commercial RE, isn't exactly a hot area right now, perhaps you've noticed.They're demolishing them because nobody wants to live there, nobody wants to redevelop them, and the buildings are hazardous.They would much prefer "demolish and redevelop" I'm sure, but they're going for "demolish, wait a generation or two, maybe hopefully redevelop," precisely because Plan A hasn't worked.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378423</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1245355680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Both of which also have large ghetto type areas which house hundreds of people who I'm sure that most of us here wouldn't want living in our backyards.</p></div><p>Truth be told, I really don't want *anyone* living in my backyard.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Both of which also have large ghetto type areas which house hundreds of people who I 'm sure that most of us here would n't want living in our backyards.Truth be told , I really do n't want * anyone * living in my backyard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both of which also have large ghetto type areas which house hundreds of people who I'm sure that most of us here wouldn't want living in our backyards.Truth be told, I really don't want *anyone* living in my backyard.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382577</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Eli Gottlieb</author>
	<datestamp>1245328020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Holy crap, is Los Angeles actually 100 miles wide?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy crap , is Los Angeles actually 100 miles wide ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy crap, is Los Angeles actually 100 miles wide?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379877</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379441</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Decay?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245358680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>This is the first step towards making cities desirable again.</i> <br> <br>For me, the main reason cities are generally undesirable *is* the high population density.  So there really isn't a way to make cities desirable.  I want to be far, far away from crowds of people with their rude "me first" attitudes, traffic, noise, and air pollution.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the first step towards making cities desirable again .
For me , the main reason cities are generally undesirable * is * the high population density .
So there really is n't a way to make cities desirable .
I want to be far , far away from crowds of people with their rude " me first " attitudes , traffic , noise , and air pollution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the first step towards making cities desirable again.
For me, the main reason cities are generally undesirable *is* the high population density.
So there really isn't a way to make cities desirable.
I want to be far, far away from crowds of people with their rude "me first" attitudes, traffic, noise, and air pollution.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378639</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28390049</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245426660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I rode my bike 5 miles as a youngin to visit friends. It's not that hard to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I rode my bike 5 miles as a youngin to visit friends .
It 's not that hard to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I rode my bike 5 miles as a youngin to visit friends.
It's not that hard to do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379021</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28387699</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Pravetz-82</author>
	<datestamp>1245415080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's already done <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prypiat,\_Ukraine" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prypiat,\_Ukraine</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's already done http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prypiat , \ _Ukraine [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's already done http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prypiat,\_Ukraine [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28392187</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245435960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you meant <a href="http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/" title="wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://freerangekids.wordpress.com</a> [wordpress.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you meant http : //freerangekids.wordpress.com [ wordpress.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you meant http://freerangekids.wordpress.com [wordpress.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380333</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381313</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245322320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences"<br>Let's start with your city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences " Let 's start with your city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences"Let's start with your city.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379253</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381469</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245322920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I went to America once. Stayed in a hotel in a suburb of Dayton, Ohio. One evening I asked the receptionist if there was anything good and/or fun to do downtown. And her response? She had *never* been there. She had lived in the suburb her *entire* life. I was astonished - amazed - I could not believe my ears. Apparently she was afraid of getting shot.</p><p>So we drove downtown (took like an hour or something on the freeway), and stopped on a little cobbled street called 'the oregon district' or something. And there was *life* there. Posters for art exhibition openings. A really good Thai restaurant where I drank a locally-brewed beer called 'golden monkey beer'. A fantastic 2nd hand bookshop stuffed with the owners collection of action figures.</p><p>I mean - what the fuck are you people in the suburbs *doing*?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I went to America once .
Stayed in a hotel in a suburb of Dayton , Ohio .
One evening I asked the receptionist if there was anything good and/or fun to do downtown .
And her response ?
She had * never * been there .
She had lived in the suburb her * entire * life .
I was astonished - amazed - I could not believe my ears .
Apparently she was afraid of getting shot.So we drove downtown ( took like an hour or something on the freeway ) , and stopped on a little cobbled street called 'the oregon district ' or something .
And there was * life * there .
Posters for art exhibition openings .
A really good Thai restaurant where I drank a locally-brewed beer called 'golden monkey beer' .
A fantastic 2nd hand bookshop stuffed with the owners collection of action figures.I mean - what the fuck are you people in the suburbs * doing * ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went to America once.
Stayed in a hotel in a suburb of Dayton, Ohio.
One evening I asked the receptionist if there was anything good and/or fun to do downtown.
And her response?
She had *never* been there.
She had lived in the suburb her *entire* life.
I was astonished - amazed - I could not believe my ears.
Apparently she was afraid of getting shot.So we drove downtown (took like an hour or something on the freeway), and stopped on a little cobbled street called 'the oregon district' or something.
And there was *life* there.
Posters for art exhibition openings.
A really good Thai restaurant where I drank a locally-brewed beer called 'golden monkey beer'.
A fantastic 2nd hand bookshop stuffed with the owners collection of action figures.I mean - what the fuck are you people in the suburbs *doing*?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381047</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>sleepy\_sanchez</author>
	<datestamp>1245321180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does tearing these houses down mean more homeless?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does tearing these houses down mean more homeless ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does tearing these houses down mean more homeless?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381145</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>bluemonq</author>
	<datestamp>1245321480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Excuse me? Death to California? Have you been to any place besides Los Angeles? Like, I don't know, Eureka? Or even San Francisco? How about Berkeley, where there's plenty (the less charitable would say too many) of folks who think like you do? I can't remember the last time I saw a house around here with A/C, much less one that was installed when the place was built.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excuse me ?
Death to California ?
Have you been to any place besides Los Angeles ?
Like , I do n't know , Eureka ?
Or even San Francisco ?
How about Berkeley , where there 's plenty ( the less charitable would say too many ) of folks who think like you do ?
I ca n't remember the last time I saw a house around here with A/C , much less one that was installed when the place was built .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excuse me?
Death to California?
Have you been to any place besides Los Angeles?
Like, I don't know, Eureka?
Or even San Francisco?
How about Berkeley, where there's plenty (the less charitable would say too many) of folks who think like you do?
I can't remember the last time I saw a house around here with A/C, much less one that was installed when the place was built.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379253</id>
	<title>3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245358080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences. Would it decay as some predict?. Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl, but thats nothing like American conditions such as weather etc.. and a 2nd city to compare how nature adapts to part or even a whole city without humans around would be fascinating.</p><p>Also part of a disused city would be a very valuable and useful proving ground for advanced research in robotics, such as cars using the road networks and urban exploring robots. Its a once in a life time chance to gain unrestricted access to a big part of a city.</p><p>Another very good use would be to leave part of a disused city as a film set of a slowly decaying abandoned city. (The WW2 Blitz in London created a lot of disused buildings that appeared in many films for decades). Part of a city would be an incredible once in a lifetime opportunity to create a huge film set that doesn't disrupting and interrupt normal working cities and its cheaper and easier for film companies to use. So its win win for these companies helping the US film industry and other businesses in cities otherwise inconvenienced by filming. The film companies must be able to see the potential. It would be such a good help to the US film industry for many years to come. They could even set up a joint company to manage the disused part of a city for the film industry and lease parts out to film companies world wide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences .
Would it decay as some predict ? .
Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living ?
... The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl , but thats nothing like American conditions such as weather etc.. and a 2nd city to compare how nature adapts to part or even a whole city without humans around would be fascinating.Also part of a disused city would be a very valuable and useful proving ground for advanced research in robotics , such as cars using the road networks and urban exploring robots .
Its a once in a life time chance to gain unrestricted access to a big part of a city.Another very good use would be to leave part of a disused city as a film set of a slowly decaying abandoned city .
( The WW2 Blitz in London created a lot of disused buildings that appeared in many films for decades ) .
Part of a city would be an incredible once in a lifetime opportunity to create a huge film set that does n't disrupting and interrupt normal working cities and its cheaper and easier for film companies to use .
So its win win for these companies helping the US film industry and other businesses in cities otherwise inconvenienced by filming .
The film companies must be able to see the potential .
It would be such a good help to the US film industry for many years to come .
They could even set up a joint company to manage the disused part of a city for the film industry and lease parts out to film companies world wide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences.
Would it decay as some predict?.
Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living?
... The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl, but thats nothing like American conditions such as weather etc.. and a 2nd city to compare how nature adapts to part or even a whole city without humans around would be fascinating.Also part of a disused city would be a very valuable and useful proving ground for advanced research in robotics, such as cars using the road networks and urban exploring robots.
Its a once in a life time chance to gain unrestricted access to a big part of a city.Another very good use would be to leave part of a disused city as a film set of a slowly decaying abandoned city.
(The WW2 Blitz in London created a lot of disused buildings that appeared in many films for decades).
Part of a city would be an incredible once in a lifetime opportunity to create a huge film set that doesn't disrupting and interrupt normal working cities and its cheaper and easier for film companies to use.
So its win win for these companies helping the US film industry and other businesses in cities otherwise inconvenienced by filming.
The film companies must be able to see the potential.
It would be such a good help to the US film industry for many years to come.
They could even set up a joint company to manage the disused part of a city for the film industry and lease parts out to film companies world wide.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382065</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Dark\_Gravity</author>
	<datestamp>1245325560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Children don't do that anymore.. Their parents are too terrified they will be kidnapped.  Sadly, I'm not joking.. its pretty damn sad. Check out www.Freerangekids.org for one lady fighting back against the "think of the children" fear.</p></div><p>www.Freerangekids.org had no website configured.  Maybe <a href="http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/" title="wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/</a> [wordpress.com] is what you were thinking of.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Children do n't do that anymore.. Their parents are too terrified they will be kidnapped .
Sadly , I 'm not joking.. its pretty damn sad .
Check out www.Freerangekids.org for one lady fighting back against the " think of the children " fear.www.Freerangekids.org had no website configured .
Maybe http : //freerangekids.wordpress.com/ [ wordpress.com ] is what you were thinking of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Children don't do that anymore.. Their parents are too terrified they will be kidnapped.
Sadly, I'm not joking.. its pretty damn sad.
Check out www.Freerangekids.org for one lady fighting back against the "think of the children" fear.www.Freerangekids.org had no website configured.
Maybe http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/ [wordpress.com] is what you were thinking of.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378377</id>
	<title>Tent Cities</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1245355560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This reminds me of the tent houses that were supposedly popping up all over the place a few months back, full of homeless victims of the recession.  Turns out the only one (that I could find any real reference to) was in Sacramento, CA, and it was mainly because that city has such a good homeless program.  The people living in the tent city weren't homeless because of the recession, they were normal homeless people, incapable or unwilling to find a job.<br> <br>
The only city they actually mention in the article is Flint, Michigan; but Flint has been having problems long before this recession.  The chances of it ever growing to it's former size are about the same as <a href="http://www.bodie.com/" title="bodie.com">Bodie</a> [bodie.com] ever being populated again: not likely, it's a ghost town.<br> <br>
The article tries to spin it like it's the end of some American dream of having lots of space, and we are all going to have to start living close together now, because it's cheaper for utilities, etc.  Not likely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of the tent houses that were supposedly popping up all over the place a few months back , full of homeless victims of the recession .
Turns out the only one ( that I could find any real reference to ) was in Sacramento , CA , and it was mainly because that city has such a good homeless program .
The people living in the tent city were n't homeless because of the recession , they were normal homeless people , incapable or unwilling to find a job .
The only city they actually mention in the article is Flint , Michigan ; but Flint has been having problems long before this recession .
The chances of it ever growing to it 's former size are about the same as Bodie [ bodie.com ] ever being populated again : not likely , it 's a ghost town .
The article tries to spin it like it 's the end of some American dream of having lots of space , and we are all going to have to start living close together now , because it 's cheaper for utilities , etc .
Not likely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of the tent houses that were supposedly popping up all over the place a few months back, full of homeless victims of the recession.
Turns out the only one (that I could find any real reference to) was in Sacramento, CA, and it was mainly because that city has such a good homeless program.
The people living in the tent city weren't homeless because of the recession, they were normal homeless people, incapable or unwilling to find a job.
The only city they actually mention in the article is Flint, Michigan; but Flint has been having problems long before this recession.
The chances of it ever growing to it's former size are about the same as Bodie [bodie.com] ever being populated again: not likely, it's a ghost town.
The article tries to spin it like it's the end of some American dream of having lots of space, and we are all going to have to start living close together now, because it's cheaper for utilities, etc.
Not likely.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385215</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>David Greene</author>
	<datestamp>1245345180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>San Francisco is nice, but it's not exactly someplace you live in you're straight and have a family.</p></div><p>Excuse me?  Have you actually been to San Francisco?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Most cities are NOT like NYC, LA, SF, etc.  They're usually more like Atlanta.  The suburbs are fairly safe, and the downtown is a big ghetto full of crime and drugs.</p></div><p>You don't have a clue what you're talking about.  Most cities have neighborhoods with various income levels.  Some of the poorer areas may also have higher crime but even that is not always true.  I feel quite comfortable walking around North Minneapolis, even though people in the suburban Twin Cities area are too afraid to ever go there.  Too bad, they're missing some nice restaurants and coffee shops.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There's a reason white people (or rather, middle-class people) have been moving out of cities: they want to get away from all the crime</p></div><p>Wrong again.  People initially left because after WWII the government subsidized new housing construction in the suburbs and penalized infill development.  Segregated neighborhoods were official policy and people were <em>led to believe</em> their cities were crime-infested when in fact the numbers demonstrate the opposite.  It was only <em>after</em> the whites (and the wealth and tax base) left the cities that crime began to become a real problem.  And today, those impressions persist even though, for example, crime has droppepd nearly 70\% in Minneapolis over the last decade or so.</p><p>U.S. residents have a distorted and paranoid view on crime.  It's incredibly unlikely that you or I will be killed or harmed by some random act of violence.  Almost all violent crime is targeted toward specific individuals by people they know.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>People don't usually move to cities because they really want to live around so many other people; they go there because there's employment, and they're hungry.  Niceties like walkability are luxuries in selecting a city to move to.</p></div><p>People go to the cities because of the community (yes, most people actually <em>like</em> being around other people) and the amenities.  We're seeing a trend of people moving back into our cities.  Downtowns are becoming more residential.  It's certainly happening here in the Twin Cities.  In fact the company I work for is about to move from the suburbs to downtown because it's already lost recruits due to its isolated location.   The younger generation wants to live and work in the city.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>San Francisco is nice , but it 's not exactly someplace you live in you 're straight and have a family.Excuse me ?
Have you actually been to San Francisco ? Most cities are NOT like NYC , LA , SF , etc .
They 're usually more like Atlanta .
The suburbs are fairly safe , and the downtown is a big ghetto full of crime and drugs.You do n't have a clue what you 're talking about .
Most cities have neighborhoods with various income levels .
Some of the poorer areas may also have higher crime but even that is not always true .
I feel quite comfortable walking around North Minneapolis , even though people in the suburban Twin Cities area are too afraid to ever go there .
Too bad , they 're missing some nice restaurants and coffee shops.There 's a reason white people ( or rather , middle-class people ) have been moving out of cities : they want to get away from all the crimeWrong again .
People initially left because after WWII the government subsidized new housing construction in the suburbs and penalized infill development .
Segregated neighborhoods were official policy and people were led to believe their cities were crime-infested when in fact the numbers demonstrate the opposite .
It was only after the whites ( and the wealth and tax base ) left the cities that crime began to become a real problem .
And today , those impressions persist even though , for example , crime has droppepd nearly 70 \ % in Minneapolis over the last decade or so.U.S .
residents have a distorted and paranoid view on crime .
It 's incredibly unlikely that you or I will be killed or harmed by some random act of violence .
Almost all violent crime is targeted toward specific individuals by people they know.People do n't usually move to cities because they really want to live around so many other people ; they go there because there 's employment , and they 're hungry .
Niceties like walkability are luxuries in selecting a city to move to.People go to the cities because of the community ( yes , most people actually like being around other people ) and the amenities .
We 're seeing a trend of people moving back into our cities .
Downtowns are becoming more residential .
It 's certainly happening here in the Twin Cities .
In fact the company I work for is about to move from the suburbs to downtown because it 's already lost recruits due to its isolated location .
The younger generation wants to live and work in the city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>San Francisco is nice, but it's not exactly someplace you live in you're straight and have a family.Excuse me?
Have you actually been to San Francisco?Most cities are NOT like NYC, LA, SF, etc.
They're usually more like Atlanta.
The suburbs are fairly safe, and the downtown is a big ghetto full of crime and drugs.You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Most cities have neighborhoods with various income levels.
Some of the poorer areas may also have higher crime but even that is not always true.
I feel quite comfortable walking around North Minneapolis, even though people in the suburban Twin Cities area are too afraid to ever go there.
Too bad, they're missing some nice restaurants and coffee shops.There's a reason white people (or rather, middle-class people) have been moving out of cities: they want to get away from all the crimeWrong again.
People initially left because after WWII the government subsidized new housing construction in the suburbs and penalized infill development.
Segregated neighborhoods were official policy and people were led to believe their cities were crime-infested when in fact the numbers demonstrate the opposite.
It was only after the whites (and the wealth and tax base) left the cities that crime began to become a real problem.
And today, those impressions persist even though, for example, crime has droppepd nearly 70\% in Minneapolis over the last decade or so.U.S.
residents have a distorted and paranoid view on crime.
It's incredibly unlikely that you or I will be killed or harmed by some random act of violence.
Almost all violent crime is targeted toward specific individuals by people they know.People don't usually move to cities because they really want to live around so many other people; they go there because there's employment, and they're hungry.
Niceties like walkability are luxuries in selecting a city to move to.People go to the cities because of the community (yes, most people actually like being around other people) and the amenities.
We're seeing a trend of people moving back into our cities.
Downtowns are becoming more residential.
It's certainly happening here in the Twin Cities.
In fact the company I work for is about to move from the suburbs to downtown because it's already lost recruits due to its isolated location.
The younger generation wants to live and work in the city.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379173</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Woldscum</author>
	<datestamp>1245357900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.  It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.</p></div><p>It is simple. I depends who is in power and who wants to do it. Do not forget the waste land of New Orleans. Democrat = Urban development. Republican = White raciest trying to take Black and Latinos homes.</p></div>
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<tokenext>How this is n't considered " ethnically cleansing " cities is beyond me .
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.It is simple .
I depends who is in power and who wants to do it .
Do not forget the waste land of New Orleans .
Democrat = Urban development .
Republican = White raciest trying to take Black and Latinos homes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.It is simple.
I depends who is in power and who wants to do it.
Do not forget the waste land of New Orleans.
Democrat = Urban development.
Republican = White raciest trying to take Black and Latinos homes.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380089</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>nausea\_malvarma</author>
	<datestamp>1245317460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know not every city is detroit....Some are quite safe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know not every city is detroit....Some are quite safe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know not every city is detroit....Some are quite safe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380403</id>
	<title>Re:Fantastic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245318600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>How does California being stupid prove the economy is bad?</htmltext>
<tokenext>How does California being stupid prove the economy is bad ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How does California being stupid prove the economy is bad?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384911</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>scum-e-bag</author>
	<datestamp>1245341280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In reference to your film set idea.</p><p>Instead of huge robot armies with lots of bombs, destruction, murder, death and explosions for the film...  how about a proactive film.  While the idea of everyone working together, holding hands and building a better society in the film won't sell millions at first glance; I'm sure there have been many constructive ideas for exciting films that lead to the idea of building a better society without everything ending in disharmony.</p><p>Taking care not to lead everyone into a world where they want to build an empire that forces its ideas upon the rest of the world, yada, yada, yada, yada...  I have my expertise in the sciences, not the humanities.  I'm sure there are some arts grads out there who can envisage what I am suggesting.</p><p>Utilise these foreign wastelands and harvest them.  Films with ideas of utilising the power grids for collection of electricity from distributed solar/wind collectors (provided the copper hasn't been stolen from these suburbs).  Films with ideas of of future small towns doing this, especially with all the cliche people from films like "back to the future".  The football jock, the nerd, the hottest girl in town who everyone wants to sleep with, etc, allowing the common man on the street to identify with.  The cliche leaders such as the mayor should behave in a way which isn't the same as some of these older movies, ie, no blanket corruption, no high life, hard working, always introducing wind-farm (et al) ideas.  The cops are not there to always bust the football jock, the cops are there to blah blah blah...</p><p>We need a revolution in films to encourage the hoi polloi clean up this mess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In reference to your film set idea.Instead of huge robot armies with lots of bombs , destruction , murder , death and explosions for the film... how about a proactive film .
While the idea of everyone working together , holding hands and building a better society in the film wo n't sell millions at first glance ; I 'm sure there have been many constructive ideas for exciting films that lead to the idea of building a better society without everything ending in disharmony.Taking care not to lead everyone into a world where they want to build an empire that forces its ideas upon the rest of the world , yada , yada , yada , yada... I have my expertise in the sciences , not the humanities .
I 'm sure there are some arts grads out there who can envisage what I am suggesting.Utilise these foreign wastelands and harvest them .
Films with ideas of utilising the power grids for collection of electricity from distributed solar/wind collectors ( provided the copper has n't been stolen from these suburbs ) .
Films with ideas of of future small towns doing this , especially with all the cliche people from films like " back to the future " .
The football jock , the nerd , the hottest girl in town who everyone wants to sleep with , etc , allowing the common man on the street to identify with .
The cliche leaders such as the mayor should behave in a way which is n't the same as some of these older movies , ie , no blanket corruption , no high life , hard working , always introducing wind-farm ( et al ) ideas .
The cops are not there to always bust the football jock , the cops are there to blah blah blah...We need a revolution in films to encourage the hoi polloi clean up this mess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In reference to your film set idea.Instead of huge robot armies with lots of bombs, destruction, murder, death and explosions for the film...  how about a proactive film.
While the idea of everyone working together, holding hands and building a better society in the film won't sell millions at first glance; I'm sure there have been many constructive ideas for exciting films that lead to the idea of building a better society without everything ending in disharmony.Taking care not to lead everyone into a world where they want to build an empire that forces its ideas upon the rest of the world, yada, yada, yada, yada...  I have my expertise in the sciences, not the humanities.
I'm sure there are some arts grads out there who can envisage what I am suggesting.Utilise these foreign wastelands and harvest them.
Films with ideas of utilising the power grids for collection of electricity from distributed solar/wind collectors (provided the copper hasn't been stolen from these suburbs).
Films with ideas of of future small towns doing this, especially with all the cliche people from films like "back to the future".
The football jock, the nerd, the hottest girl in town who everyone wants to sleep with, etc, allowing the common man on the street to identify with.
The cliche leaders such as the mayor should behave in a way which isn't the same as some of these older movies, ie, no blanket corruption, no high life, hard working, always introducing wind-farm (et al) ideas.
The cops are not there to always bust the football jock, the cops are there to blah blah blah...We need a revolution in films to encourage the hoi polloi clean up this mess.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379065</id>
	<title>Outsider</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245357540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Give a free house to each new immigrant that has a university diploma.  Boom in pop, smarter pop, house go to good use, don't have to spend on demo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Give a free house to each new immigrant that has a university diploma .
Boom in pop , smarter pop , house go to good use , do n't have to spend on demo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give a free house to each new immigrant that has a university diploma.
Boom in pop, smarter pop, house go to good use, don't have to spend on demo.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:concentration camps</title>
	<author>ndege</author>
	<datestamp>1245349980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You're absolutely right about that; it's a lot cheaper to provide effective law enforcement to a denser population.  Same goes for fire stations, schools, sewer maintenance, water and power...</p><p>It doesn't have to be evil just because the government is doing it.</p></div><p>Citation needed.   The most densely populated areas (think New York city) are the most costly places to live and seem to be much more dangerous.</p><p>There is a paper by John B Calhoun entitled "Population Density and Social Pathology." Calhoun, John B. 1962. &#226;oePopulation Density and Social Pathology.&#226; Scientific American 206:139-148.</p><p>Here is a link to the abstract:<br><a href="http://db.jhuccp.org/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll?BU=http://db.jhuccp.org/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll&amp;QF0=DocNo&amp;QI0=620189&amp;TN=Popline&amp;AC=QBE\_QUERY&amp;MR=30\%25DL=1&amp;&amp;RL=1&amp;&amp;RF=LongRecordDisplay&amp;DF=LongRecordDisplay" title="jhuccp.org" rel="nofollow">http://db.jhuccp.org/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll?BU=http://db.jhuccp.org/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll&amp;QF0=DocNo&amp;QI0=620189&amp;TN=Popline&amp;AC=QBE\_QUERY&amp;MR=30\%25DL=1&amp;&amp;RL=1&amp;&amp;RF=LongRecordDisplay&amp;DF=LongRecordDisplay</a> [jhuccp.org]</p><p>Here is the abstract from the above link:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Abstract: In a series of experiments, normal colonies of Norway rats were allowed to grow unchecked in a limited environment. In each set experiments, after an extremely crowded condition of 80 adults was reached, removal of infants that survived birth and weaning held the populations steady. Although by the 16th month the number of surviving infants would have held the population constant the total breakdown in behavior being noted would have led the colonies to die out. 4 distinct types of behavior emerged: 1) In the end pens, which were easily defended, dominant males set up harems. Since other males were easily repelled, the population in these pens were kept low and nesting, raising of young, and social activity remained fairly normal. 2) In the 2 middle pens the less dominant males broke down into 2 groups. 1 group became very aggressive, chasing estrous females and forcing attentions upon them resulting in high complications of pregnancy and high maternity and infant mortality. These aggressive males also ate the young and attacked other males. 3) The females in the overcrowded pens gradually lost their ability to build nests, usually just scattering a few strips of paper on the floor of the box and finally giving birth in the bare sawdust. They also failed to nurse their young and mortality rates were ove 90\% among the pups. 4) Eating gradually became the major social activity in the crowded pens. In fact, the food hopper became a behavioral sink with rats refusing to eat unless other rats were present and rats gradually abandoning other food hoppers to crowd up at their favorite hopper. The females were distributed equally among the pens but, due to the dominant males, most of the remaining males were crowded into the middle 2 pens. Females raised in the crowded pens did not regain their nest-building and nurturing ability even when transferred to uncrowded living quarters.</p></div><p>I have mod points to blow, but I feel it is more important to share this thought-provoking study than to stay quiet and moderate.</p><p>As an aside on the "cheaper sewer":  I have never understood why sewers are perceived as being so much better than septic systems.  With septic systems, the human waste is processed by bacteria in a distributed fashion within each home/building.  There aren't the problems with "treated" sewage getting back into the water supply; contaminates such as drugs (legal/illegal) and heavy metals being found at surprising levels in city drinking water.  There aren't the problems of overflow from flooding that commonly occur during heavy rainfalls, etc.  Distributed disposal of human waste seems like a good idea.  Let nature do what it is good at over time over a large area.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You 're absolutely right about that ; it 's a lot cheaper to provide effective law enforcement to a denser population .
Same goes for fire stations , schools , sewer maintenance , water and power...It does n't have to be evil just because the government is doing it.Citation needed .
The most densely populated areas ( think New York city ) are the most costly places to live and seem to be much more dangerous.There is a paper by John B Calhoun entitled " Population Density and Social Pathology .
" Calhoun , John B .
1962.   oePopulation Density and Social Pathology.   Scientific American 206 : 139-148.Here is a link to the abstract : http : //db.jhuccp.org/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll ? BU = http : //db.jhuccp.org/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll&amp;QF0 = DocNo&amp;QI0 = 620189&amp;TN = Popline&amp;AC = QBE \ _QUERY&amp;MR = 30 \ % 25DL = 1&amp;&amp;RL = 1&amp;&amp;RF = LongRecordDisplay&amp;DF = LongRecordDisplay [ jhuccp.org ] Here is the abstract from the above link : Abstract : In a series of experiments , normal colonies of Norway rats were allowed to grow unchecked in a limited environment .
In each set experiments , after an extremely crowded condition of 80 adults was reached , removal of infants that survived birth and weaning held the populations steady .
Although by the 16th month the number of surviving infants would have held the population constant the total breakdown in behavior being noted would have led the colonies to die out .
4 distinct types of behavior emerged : 1 ) In the end pens , which were easily defended , dominant males set up harems .
Since other males were easily repelled , the population in these pens were kept low and nesting , raising of young , and social activity remained fairly normal .
2 ) In the 2 middle pens the less dominant males broke down into 2 groups .
1 group became very aggressive , chasing estrous females and forcing attentions upon them resulting in high complications of pregnancy and high maternity and infant mortality .
These aggressive males also ate the young and attacked other males .
3 ) The females in the overcrowded pens gradually lost their ability to build nests , usually just scattering a few strips of paper on the floor of the box and finally giving birth in the bare sawdust .
They also failed to nurse their young and mortality rates were ove 90 \ % among the pups .
4 ) Eating gradually became the major social activity in the crowded pens .
In fact , the food hopper became a behavioral sink with rats refusing to eat unless other rats were present and rats gradually abandoning other food hoppers to crowd up at their favorite hopper .
The females were distributed equally among the pens but , due to the dominant males , most of the remaining males were crowded into the middle 2 pens .
Females raised in the crowded pens did not regain their nest-building and nurturing ability even when transferred to uncrowded living quarters.I have mod points to blow , but I feel it is more important to share this thought-provoking study than to stay quiet and moderate.As an aside on the " cheaper sewer " : I have never understood why sewers are perceived as being so much better than septic systems .
With septic systems , the human waste is processed by bacteria in a distributed fashion within each home/building .
There are n't the problems with " treated " sewage getting back into the water supply ; contaminates such as drugs ( legal/illegal ) and heavy metals being found at surprising levels in city drinking water .
There are n't the problems of overflow from flooding that commonly occur during heavy rainfalls , etc .
Distributed disposal of human waste seems like a good idea .
Let nature do what it is good at over time over a large area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're absolutely right about that; it's a lot cheaper to provide effective law enforcement to a denser population.
Same goes for fire stations, schools, sewer maintenance, water and power...It doesn't have to be evil just because the government is doing it.Citation needed.
The most densely populated areas (think New York city) are the most costly places to live and seem to be much more dangerous.There is a paper by John B Calhoun entitled "Population Density and Social Pathology.
" Calhoun, John B.
1962. âoePopulation Density and Social Pathology.â Scientific American 206:139-148.Here is a link to the abstract:http://db.jhuccp.org/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll?BU=http://db.jhuccp.org/ics-wpd/exec/icswppro.dll&amp;QF0=DocNo&amp;QI0=620189&amp;TN=Popline&amp;AC=QBE\_QUERY&amp;MR=30\%25DL=1&amp;&amp;RL=1&amp;&amp;RF=LongRecordDisplay&amp;DF=LongRecordDisplay [jhuccp.org]Here is the abstract from the above link:Abstract: In a series of experiments, normal colonies of Norway rats were allowed to grow unchecked in a limited environment.
In each set experiments, after an extremely crowded condition of 80 adults was reached, removal of infants that survived birth and weaning held the populations steady.
Although by the 16th month the number of surviving infants would have held the population constant the total breakdown in behavior being noted would have led the colonies to die out.
4 distinct types of behavior emerged: 1) In the end pens, which were easily defended, dominant males set up harems.
Since other males were easily repelled, the population in these pens were kept low and nesting, raising of young, and social activity remained fairly normal.
2) In the 2 middle pens the less dominant males broke down into 2 groups.
1 group became very aggressive, chasing estrous females and forcing attentions upon them resulting in high complications of pregnancy and high maternity and infant mortality.
These aggressive males also ate the young and attacked other males.
3) The females in the overcrowded pens gradually lost their ability to build nests, usually just scattering a few strips of paper on the floor of the box and finally giving birth in the bare sawdust.
They also failed to nurse their young and mortality rates were ove 90\% among the pups.
4) Eating gradually became the major social activity in the crowded pens.
In fact, the food hopper became a behavioral sink with rats refusing to eat unless other rats were present and rats gradually abandoning other food hoppers to crowd up at their favorite hopper.
The females were distributed equally among the pens but, due to the dominant males, most of the remaining males were crowded into the middle 2 pens.
Females raised in the crowded pens did not regain their nest-building and nurturing ability even when transferred to uncrowded living quarters.I have mod points to blow, but I feel it is more important to share this thought-provoking study than to stay quiet and moderate.As an aside on the "cheaper sewer":  I have never understood why sewers are perceived as being so much better than septic systems.
With septic systems, the human waste is processed by bacteria in a distributed fashion within each home/building.
There aren't the problems with "treated" sewage getting back into the water supply; contaminates such as drugs (legal/illegal) and heavy metals being found at surprising levels in city drinking water.
There aren't the problems of overflow from flooding that commonly occur during heavy rainfalls, etc.
Distributed disposal of human waste seems like a good idea.
Let nature do what it is good at over time over a large area.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379303</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>Steauengeglase</author>
	<datestamp>1245358260000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps you, like the Batman, are for this, but I, The Legion of Doom and Coldwell Banker Investment Group are totally against the destruction of the abandoned warehouse district! It gives this city character and opens up new investment opportunities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps you , like the Batman , are for this , but I , The Legion of Doom and Coldwell Banker Investment Group are totally against the destruction of the abandoned warehouse district !
It gives this city character and opens up new investment opportunities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps you, like the Batman, are for this, but I, The Legion of Doom and Coldwell Banker Investment Group are totally against the destruction of the abandoned warehouse district!
It gives this city character and opens up new investment opportunities.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380215</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>demachina</author>
	<datestamp>1245317880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do know Oregon has, I think the second highest unemployment rate in the country after Michigan. NY time had a fluff piece on Bend, Oregon yesterday.  Short story, large numbers of Californians feeling rich due to their hyperinflated real estate, and bubble inflated stock portfolio's move to Oregon to lead the good life, excepting now their stock portfolios collapsed as did their remaining real estate holdings in California.  They are no looking for jobs and there are basically no jobs to be had in Oregon... and its starting to turn a little ugly.</p><p>What exactly does Oregon do for jobs? It was very dependent on lumber and logging but that industry collapsed years ago due to environmental backlash and competition from Canadian imports.  Not sure the Salmon fisheries are still in tact. Lot of agriculture, one of the worlds major producers of<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... hazelnuts.  Intel and HP have operations there so there is some tech but I doubt it compares to Seattle or California for tech.  There is Nike of course.  From Wikipedia I see "Portland reportedly has more strip clubs per capita than Las Vegas or San Francisco." so there is that going for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do know Oregon has , I think the second highest unemployment rate in the country after Michigan .
NY time had a fluff piece on Bend , Oregon yesterday .
Short story , large numbers of Californians feeling rich due to their hyperinflated real estate , and bubble inflated stock portfolio 's move to Oregon to lead the good life , excepting now their stock portfolios collapsed as did their remaining real estate holdings in California .
They are no looking for jobs and there are basically no jobs to be had in Oregon... and its starting to turn a little ugly.What exactly does Oregon do for jobs ?
It was very dependent on lumber and logging but that industry collapsed years ago due to environmental backlash and competition from Canadian imports .
Not sure the Salmon fisheries are still in tact .
Lot of agriculture , one of the worlds major producers of ... hazelnuts. Intel and HP have operations there so there is some tech but I doubt it compares to Seattle or California for tech .
There is Nike of course .
From Wikipedia I see " Portland reportedly has more strip clubs per capita than Las Vegas or San Francisco .
" so there is that going for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do know Oregon has, I think the second highest unemployment rate in the country after Michigan.
NY time had a fluff piece on Bend, Oregon yesterday.
Short story, large numbers of Californians feeling rich due to their hyperinflated real estate, and bubble inflated stock portfolio's move to Oregon to lead the good life, excepting now their stock portfolios collapsed as did their remaining real estate holdings in California.
They are no looking for jobs and there are basically no jobs to be had in Oregon... and its starting to turn a little ugly.What exactly does Oregon do for jobs?
It was very dependent on lumber and logging but that industry collapsed years ago due to environmental backlash and competition from Canadian imports.
Not sure the Salmon fisheries are still in tact.
Lot of agriculture, one of the worlds major producers of ... hazelnuts.  Intel and HP have operations there so there is some tech but I doubt it compares to Seattle or California for tech.
There is Nike of course.
From Wikipedia I see "Portland reportedly has more strip clubs per capita than Las Vegas or San Francisco.
" so there is that going for it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28389177</id>
	<title>Raze the cities?</title>
	<author>dnebin</author>
	<datestamp>1245423120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Where will the history channel go for new footage for "Life After People"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where will the history channel go for new footage for " Life After People " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where will the history channel go for new footage for "Life After People"?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380437</id>
	<title>Re:Really a Shame</title>
	<author>LordKazan</author>
	<datestamp>1245318780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>There are significant portions of the population whose entire aspirations in life involve getting qualified for either General Relief or Social Security Insurance payments.</i></p><p>Citation needed.</p><p>Less than 1\% of all life-time welfare recipients are on it longer than 6 months.</p><p>Social Security is for OLD PEOPLE (and it was never intended to be primary retirement income, but an insurance program for those who's private pensions went belly up)</p><p>Disability is only given to those who's doctors will swear under oath that they're unable to work.</p><p>Your Schtick.. it's old and worn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are significant portions of the population whose entire aspirations in life involve getting qualified for either General Relief or Social Security Insurance payments.Citation needed.Less than 1 \ % of all life-time welfare recipients are on it longer than 6 months.Social Security is for OLD PEOPLE ( and it was never intended to be primary retirement income , but an insurance program for those who 's private pensions went belly up ) Disability is only given to those who 's doctors will swear under oath that they 're unable to work.Your Schtick.. it 's old and worn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are significant portions of the population whose entire aspirations in life involve getting qualified for either General Relief or Social Security Insurance payments.Citation needed.Less than 1\% of all life-time welfare recipients are on it longer than 6 months.Social Security is for OLD PEOPLE (and it was never intended to be primary retirement income, but an insurance program for those who's private pensions went belly up)Disability is only given to those who's doctors will swear under oath that they're unable to work.Your Schtick.. it's old and worn.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28388659</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>jmp\_nyc</author>
	<datestamp>1245420960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, the site is <a href="http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/" title="wordpress.com">freerangekids.wordpress.com</a> [wordpress.com] and it's the woman who caused a huge stink in the mainstream media for letting her son take the subway alone in NYC.
<br> <br>
I'm raising my own kids in Manhattan, as I was raised here. My older son is just 3, so he's not yet old enough to cross streets by himself, but we let him run down the block when it's not too crowded, and he knows to wait for an adult at the corner. In our neighborhood, there's more of a hazard of him running into an oncoming stroller when he isn't paying attention than to falling victim to some sort of mythical pervert, especially since with the huge number of people with young kids on the sidewalks, everyone keeps an eye out for things that are truly out of place.
<br> <br>
The best example is in the playgrounds. The kids who are old enough to cross the streets by themselves go to our local playground by themselves. (NYC recently announced a campaign to increase the number of playgrounds so that there is a playground within a 10 minute <i>walk</i> of every legal residence in the entire city. Estimates are that it may take fewer than a half dozen additional playgrounds to achieve that.) The youngest kids are watched by parents or caregivers. My brother described going to meet up with my kids at the playground one time, when they were with their caregiver. He described walking into the entry of the playground and standing there, looking for my kids. As he did so, he watched every single caregiver size him up, then make sure that they were between him and the kid they were taking care of. The instant he connected with my kids (and it was obvious from their caregiver's response that my brother was a welcome, familiar face), they all relaxed and went back to letting the kids be kids. In speaking to some of the caregivers, there's enough of a community in that park that an unfamiliar adult wouldn't be allowed to walk off with any kid who didn't know him/her, even if it's one of the older kids who's there alone.
<br> <br>
One of the worst parts of the car culture in most parts of the US is that people don't interact with each other. Living in a pedestrian-centric place, there's a real sense of community. I can recognize the people who I see every single day, even if I don't actually have any interaction with them. It's how humans lived for thousands of years, and there's still something to be said for it...<br>
-JMP</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the site is freerangekids.wordpress.com [ wordpress.com ] and it 's the woman who caused a huge stink in the mainstream media for letting her son take the subway alone in NYC .
I 'm raising my own kids in Manhattan , as I was raised here .
My older son is just 3 , so he 's not yet old enough to cross streets by himself , but we let him run down the block when it 's not too crowded , and he knows to wait for an adult at the corner .
In our neighborhood , there 's more of a hazard of him running into an oncoming stroller when he is n't paying attention than to falling victim to some sort of mythical pervert , especially since with the huge number of people with young kids on the sidewalks , everyone keeps an eye out for things that are truly out of place .
The best example is in the playgrounds .
The kids who are old enough to cross the streets by themselves go to our local playground by themselves .
( NYC recently announced a campaign to increase the number of playgrounds so that there is a playground within a 10 minute walk of every legal residence in the entire city .
Estimates are that it may take fewer than a half dozen additional playgrounds to achieve that .
) The youngest kids are watched by parents or caregivers .
My brother described going to meet up with my kids at the playground one time , when they were with their caregiver .
He described walking into the entry of the playground and standing there , looking for my kids .
As he did so , he watched every single caregiver size him up , then make sure that they were between him and the kid they were taking care of .
The instant he connected with my kids ( and it was obvious from their caregiver 's response that my brother was a welcome , familiar face ) , they all relaxed and went back to letting the kids be kids .
In speaking to some of the caregivers , there 's enough of a community in that park that an unfamiliar adult would n't be allowed to walk off with any kid who did n't know him/her , even if it 's one of the older kids who 's there alone .
One of the worst parts of the car culture in most parts of the US is that people do n't interact with each other .
Living in a pedestrian-centric place , there 's a real sense of community .
I can recognize the people who I see every single day , even if I do n't actually have any interaction with them .
It 's how humans lived for thousands of years , and there 's still something to be said for it.. . -JMP</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the site is freerangekids.wordpress.com [wordpress.com] and it's the woman who caused a huge stink in the mainstream media for letting her son take the subway alone in NYC.
I'm raising my own kids in Manhattan, as I was raised here.
My older son is just 3, so he's not yet old enough to cross streets by himself, but we let him run down the block when it's not too crowded, and he knows to wait for an adult at the corner.
In our neighborhood, there's more of a hazard of him running into an oncoming stroller when he isn't paying attention than to falling victim to some sort of mythical pervert, especially since with the huge number of people with young kids on the sidewalks, everyone keeps an eye out for things that are truly out of place.
The best example is in the playgrounds.
The kids who are old enough to cross the streets by themselves go to our local playground by themselves.
(NYC recently announced a campaign to increase the number of playgrounds so that there is a playground within a 10 minute walk of every legal residence in the entire city.
Estimates are that it may take fewer than a half dozen additional playgrounds to achieve that.
) The youngest kids are watched by parents or caregivers.
My brother described going to meet up with my kids at the playground one time, when they were with their caregiver.
He described walking into the entry of the playground and standing there, looking for my kids.
As he did so, he watched every single caregiver size him up, then make sure that they were between him and the kid they were taking care of.
The instant he connected with my kids (and it was obvious from their caregiver's response that my brother was a welcome, familiar face), they all relaxed and went back to letting the kids be kids.
In speaking to some of the caregivers, there's enough of a community in that park that an unfamiliar adult wouldn't be allowed to walk off with any kid who didn't know him/her, even if it's one of the older kids who's there alone.
One of the worst parts of the car culture in most parts of the US is that people don't interact with each other.
Living in a pedestrian-centric place, there's a real sense of community.
I can recognize the people who I see every single day, even if I don't actually have any interaction with them.
It's how humans lived for thousands of years, and there's still something to be said for it...
-JMP</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28388631</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1245420780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sure there are cities with good downtown areas (usually priced out of the range of anyone making less than 6 figures, but they're there). But the original article wasn't talking about those kind of cities. I'm pretty sure downtown Detroit doesn't count as the kind of urban nirvana you're talking about.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure there are cities with good downtown areas ( usually priced out of the range of anyone making less than 6 figures , but they 're there ) .
But the original article was n't talking about those kind of cities .
I 'm pretty sure downtown Detroit does n't count as the kind of urban nirvana you 're talking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure there are cities with good downtown areas (usually priced out of the range of anyone making less than 6 figures, but they're there).
But the original article wasn't talking about those kind of cities.
I'm pretty sure downtown Detroit doesn't count as the kind of urban nirvana you're talking about.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384755</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1245340140000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Two things. First, many cities have been affected by urban blight and the departure of big businesses. Take New York City. It was going the same way as the Rust Belt cities. But they got their act together. It seems to me that another more than adequate solution to the problem is to let these failed cities continue to stew in their own juices until they figure out how to become real cities again.<br> <br>

Second, I'm not impressed by urban planning. Sure sometimes they come up with good ideas. Other times they create Hell on Earth. Elsewhere in this story, I outline three reasons why I think this is a terrible idea. But here, I'm struck by the realization that this is another Big Plan by politicians who can't be bothered to demonstrate that they have even a little success in the area beforehand. You might recall a similar example back in the late 90's when a bunch of politicians got together and proposed the overthrow of a dozen or so Middle East countries in order to introduce "democracy". The result of this Big Plan is two invasions with an expensive occupation of Iraq and a boost to Middle East terrorist groups. On the positive side, the Big Plan died before it could spur more invasions.<br> <br>

Just as various politicians used the Bush administration to push their big, crazy ideas, the same is occurring for the Obama administration. It is chock full of dreamy politicians with ridiculously oversized ambitions. I don't see the need for a domestic equivalent of the Iraq occupation, a money sink with poor benefits for the US. The only dubious advantage I can see to them is that collectively they probably won't cost as many lives as the invasion and occupation of Iraq did. Probably.<br> <br>

As for the death of the automobile and air conditioning, how about we get a working example first before we plunge a considerable portion of the US into a dubious experiment. My take is that it's going to be a long while before the automobile becomes obsolete. (say how are people supposed to move a few hundred pounds of stuff between points A and B? Chinese truck bikes?) Further, I don't see the point to your obsession with getting rid of air conditioning. It works and it doesn't have a big externality unlike Big Plans.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two things .
First , many cities have been affected by urban blight and the departure of big businesses .
Take New York City .
It was going the same way as the Rust Belt cities .
But they got their act together .
It seems to me that another more than adequate solution to the problem is to let these failed cities continue to stew in their own juices until they figure out how to become real cities again .
Second , I 'm not impressed by urban planning .
Sure sometimes they come up with good ideas .
Other times they create Hell on Earth .
Elsewhere in this story , I outline three reasons why I think this is a terrible idea .
But here , I 'm struck by the realization that this is another Big Plan by politicians who ca n't be bothered to demonstrate that they have even a little success in the area beforehand .
You might recall a similar example back in the late 90 's when a bunch of politicians got together and proposed the overthrow of a dozen or so Middle East countries in order to introduce " democracy " .
The result of this Big Plan is two invasions with an expensive occupation of Iraq and a boost to Middle East terrorist groups .
On the positive side , the Big Plan died before it could spur more invasions .
Just as various politicians used the Bush administration to push their big , crazy ideas , the same is occurring for the Obama administration .
It is chock full of dreamy politicians with ridiculously oversized ambitions .
I do n't see the need for a domestic equivalent of the Iraq occupation , a money sink with poor benefits for the US .
The only dubious advantage I can see to them is that collectively they probably wo n't cost as many lives as the invasion and occupation of Iraq did .
Probably . As for the death of the automobile and air conditioning , how about we get a working example first before we plunge a considerable portion of the US into a dubious experiment .
My take is that it 's going to be a long while before the automobile becomes obsolete .
( say how are people supposed to move a few hundred pounds of stuff between points A and B ?
Chinese truck bikes ?
) Further , I do n't see the point to your obsession with getting rid of air conditioning .
It works and it does n't have a big externality unlike Big Plans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two things.
First, many cities have been affected by urban blight and the departure of big businesses.
Take New York City.
It was going the same way as the Rust Belt cities.
But they got their act together.
It seems to me that another more than adequate solution to the problem is to let these failed cities continue to stew in their own juices until they figure out how to become real cities again.
Second, I'm not impressed by urban planning.
Sure sometimes they come up with good ideas.
Other times they create Hell on Earth.
Elsewhere in this story, I outline three reasons why I think this is a terrible idea.
But here, I'm struck by the realization that this is another Big Plan by politicians who can't be bothered to demonstrate that they have even a little success in the area beforehand.
You might recall a similar example back in the late 90's when a bunch of politicians got together and proposed the overthrow of a dozen or so Middle East countries in order to introduce "democracy".
The result of this Big Plan is two invasions with an expensive occupation of Iraq and a boost to Middle East terrorist groups.
On the positive side, the Big Plan died before it could spur more invasions.
Just as various politicians used the Bush administration to push their big, crazy ideas, the same is occurring for the Obama administration.
It is chock full of dreamy politicians with ridiculously oversized ambitions.
I don't see the need for a domestic equivalent of the Iraq occupation, a money sink with poor benefits for the US.
The only dubious advantage I can see to them is that collectively they probably won't cost as many lives as the invasion and occupation of Iraq did.
Probably. 

As for the death of the automobile and air conditioning, how about we get a working example first before we plunge a considerable portion of the US into a dubious experiment.
My take is that it's going to be a long while before the automobile becomes obsolete.
(say how are people supposed to move a few hundred pounds of stuff between points A and B?
Chinese truck bikes?
) Further, I don't see the point to your obsession with getting rid of air conditioning.
It works and it doesn't have a big externality unlike Big Plans.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385583</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245348840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe #1 and #3 is already happening in Detroit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe # 1 and # 3 is already happening in Detroit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe #1 and #3 is already happening in Detroit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385453</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>PachmanP</author>
	<datestamp>1245347820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also part of a disused city would be a very valuable and useful proving ground for advanced research in robotics, such as cars using the road networks and urban exploring robots. Its a once in a life time chance to gain unrestricted access to a big part of a city.
<br>
<br>
Another very good use would be to leave part of a disused city as a film set of a slowly decaying abandoned city. (The WW2 Blitz in London created a lot of disused buildings that appeared in many films for decades). Part of a city would be an incredible once in a lifetime opportunity to create a huge film set that doesn't disrupting and interrupt normal working cities and its cheaper and easier for film companies to use. So its win win for these companies helping the US film industry and other businesses in cities otherwise inconvenienced by filming. The film companies must be able to see the potential. It would be such a good help to the US film industry for many years to come. They could even set up a joint company to manage the disused part of a city for the film industry and lease parts out to film companies world wide.</p></div><p>So...what you're saying is make another Robocop or just a real Robocop?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also part of a disused city would be a very valuable and useful proving ground for advanced research in robotics , such as cars using the road networks and urban exploring robots .
Its a once in a life time chance to gain unrestricted access to a big part of a city .
Another very good use would be to leave part of a disused city as a film set of a slowly decaying abandoned city .
( The WW2 Blitz in London created a lot of disused buildings that appeared in many films for decades ) .
Part of a city would be an incredible once in a lifetime opportunity to create a huge film set that does n't disrupting and interrupt normal working cities and its cheaper and easier for film companies to use .
So its win win for these companies helping the US film industry and other businesses in cities otherwise inconvenienced by filming .
The film companies must be able to see the potential .
It would be such a good help to the US film industry for many years to come .
They could even set up a joint company to manage the disused part of a city for the film industry and lease parts out to film companies world wide.So...what you 're saying is make another Robocop or just a real Robocop ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also part of a disused city would be a very valuable and useful proving ground for advanced research in robotics, such as cars using the road networks and urban exploring robots.
Its a once in a life time chance to gain unrestricted access to a big part of a city.
Another very good use would be to leave part of a disused city as a film set of a slowly decaying abandoned city.
(The WW2 Blitz in London created a lot of disused buildings that appeared in many films for decades).
Part of a city would be an incredible once in a lifetime opportunity to create a huge film set that doesn't disrupting and interrupt normal working cities and its cheaper and easier for film companies to use.
So its win win for these companies helping the US film industry and other businesses in cities otherwise inconvenienced by filming.
The film companies must be able to see the potential.
It would be such a good help to the US film industry for many years to come.
They could even set up a joint company to manage the disused part of a city for the film industry and lease parts out to film companies world wide.So...what you're saying is make another Robocop or just a real Robocop?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378945</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>residue</author>
	<datestamp>1245357120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.</p></div><p>Because it has nothing to do with "ethnicity," maybe? "Class cleansing" could be more appropriate.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How this is n't considered " ethnically cleansing " cities is beyond me.Because it has nothing to do with " ethnicity , " maybe ?
" Class cleansing " could be more appropriate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.Because it has nothing to do with "ethnicity," maybe?
"Class cleansing" could be more appropriate.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378481</id>
	<title>Re:Detroit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245355860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>perhaps a large corporation focused on providing an every consumer product you will ever need will sweep in and rebuild a new detroit, leaving "old detroit" to rot.</p><p>perhaps said company can also build a cyborg police officer to deal with increasing crime in old detroit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>perhaps a large corporation focused on providing an every consumer product you will ever need will sweep in and rebuild a new detroit , leaving " old detroit " to rot.perhaps said company can also build a cyborg police officer to deal with increasing crime in old detroit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>perhaps a large corporation focused on providing an every consumer product you will ever need will sweep in and rebuild a new detroit, leaving "old detroit" to rot.perhaps said company can also build a cyborg police officer to deal with increasing crime in old detroit?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383015</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>ksheff</author>
	<datestamp>1245329760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The cities are interested in doing this because they won't have to pay to run any municipal services into those areas.  It also gets rid of large areas of run down eyesores.  An empty field or forest looks a lot better than block after block of dilapidated houses, abandoned cars, and other crap.  These areas may redeveloped into something useful in the future if the local economy picks back up, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The cities are interested in doing this because they wo n't have to pay to run any municipal services into those areas .
It also gets rid of large areas of run down eyesores .
An empty field or forest looks a lot better than block after block of dilapidated houses , abandoned cars , and other crap .
These areas may redeveloped into something useful in the future if the local economy picks back up , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The cities are interested in doing this because they won't have to pay to run any municipal services into those areas.
It also gets rid of large areas of run down eyesores.
An empty field or forest looks a lot better than block after block of dilapidated houses, abandoned cars, and other crap.
These areas may redeveloped into something useful in the future if the local economy picks back up, though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378749</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1245356580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are talking about razing EMPTY buildings. They aren't talking about moving people anywhere. Both of the cities you mentioned (and I believe all of the others on the list) once had much larger populations. Philadelphia had a population of over 2 million. It now has a population of 1.4 million and shrinking. Detroit once had a population of 1.8 million. It now has a population of 900,000 and shrinking. <br>
Eliminating much of the excess housing stock in these cities (as well as the abandoned factories/warehouses) should also help to reduce the crime rates.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are talking about razing EMPTY buildings .
They are n't talking about moving people anywhere .
Both of the cities you mentioned ( and I believe all of the others on the list ) once had much larger populations .
Philadelphia had a population of over 2 million .
It now has a population of 1.4 million and shrinking .
Detroit once had a population of 1.8 million .
It now has a population of 900,000 and shrinking .
Eliminating much of the excess housing stock in these cities ( as well as the abandoned factories/warehouses ) should also help to reduce the crime rates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are talking about razing EMPTY buildings.
They aren't talking about moving people anywhere.
Both of the cities you mentioned (and I believe all of the others on the list) once had much larger populations.
Philadelphia had a population of over 2 million.
It now has a population of 1.4 million and shrinking.
Detroit once had a population of 1.8 million.
It now has a population of 900,000 and shrinking.
Eliminating much of the excess housing stock in these cities (as well as the abandoned factories/warehouses) should also help to reduce the crime rates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379969</id>
	<title>Re:"Shrink!" It's the new Growth!</title>
	<author>Jackie\_Chan\_Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1245317160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love when people talk about "homes" and use terms like "growth" and speak as if there were never any HUMANS involved. Where did these families go? Shouldnt that be more of a concern?</p><p>Why cant these people afford their homes anymore? If no one wants them, why cant they just have them back?</p><p>Did they leave cause there was no work in the area? Well... WHY IS THERE NO WORK IN THE AREA? Oh yeah.. NAFTA....</p><p>so called "Free Trade" came at some pretty fucking high costs if you ask me.</p><p>Gotta love outsourcing, and cheap slave labor.... You never have to really pay slaves much. You think the workers in China are living like middle class Americans would be if they had those jobs? hehehe...</p><p>Somewhere in there is the problem... but you dont care about me, your neighbor.... your children even.  Its all about that "dolla dolla bill yall". I hate pop culture.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love when people talk about " homes " and use terms like " growth " and speak as if there were never any HUMANS involved .
Where did these families go ?
Shouldnt that be more of a concern ? Why cant these people afford their homes anymore ?
If no one wants them , why cant they just have them back ? Did they leave cause there was no work in the area ?
Well... WHY IS THERE NO WORK IN THE AREA ?
Oh yeah.. NAFTA....so called " Free Trade " came at some pretty fucking high costs if you ask me.Got ta love outsourcing , and cheap slave labor.... You never have to really pay slaves much .
You think the workers in China are living like middle class Americans would be if they had those jobs ?
hehehe...Somewhere in there is the problem... but you dont care about me , your neighbor.... your children even .
Its all about that " dolla dolla bill yall " .
I hate pop culture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love when people talk about "homes" and use terms like "growth" and speak as if there were never any HUMANS involved.
Where did these families go?
Shouldnt that be more of a concern?Why cant these people afford their homes anymore?
If no one wants them, why cant they just have them back?Did they leave cause there was no work in the area?
Well... WHY IS THERE NO WORK IN THE AREA?
Oh yeah.. NAFTA....so called "Free Trade" came at some pretty fucking high costs if you ask me.Gotta love outsourcing, and cheap slave labor.... You never have to really pay slaves much.
You think the workers in China are living like middle class Americans would be if they had those jobs?
hehehe...Somewhere in there is the problem... but you dont care about me, your neighbor.... your children even.
Its all about that "dolla dolla bill yall".
I hate pop culture.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28387755</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245415620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's ok. Obama is black. Nothing he does could be considered racist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's ok. Obama is black .
Nothing he does could be considered racist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's ok. Obama is black.
Nothing he does could be considered racist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380767</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>NouberNou</author>
	<datestamp>1245319980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right on! What we in the Pacific Northwest need to worry about is more people from the Midwest moving here, and for that matter Californian refugees migrating north!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right on !
What we in the Pacific Northwest need to worry about is more people from the Midwest moving here , and for that matter Californian refugees migrating north !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right on!
What we in the Pacific Northwest need to worry about is more people from the Midwest moving here, and for that matter Californian refugees migrating north!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378661</id>
	<title>Sim city bulldozer, engage!!</title>
	<author>assemblerex</author>
	<datestamp>1245356340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps the giant ufo or giant bowser option might work as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps the giant ufo or giant bowser option might work as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps the giant ufo or giant bowser option might work as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380153</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>atomic777</author>
	<datestamp>1245317640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, by the way:  Portland (and Oregon at-large) pretty much pioneered the urban planning and growth boundary system that you are cheerleading with your car-hate and enviro-spew in the 1970s.</p></div><p>
Sigh. Typical US-centric thinking, even by supposedly enlightened west-coasters.
<br> <br>
The idea of a green belt <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green\_belt" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">dates to biblical times</a> [wikipedia.org], and the modern idea of a legislated development-free belt around a rapidly expanding city dates to 1930s London (England)
<br> <br>
But since the London greenbelt happened after the Great Disappearance of the Rest of the World in 1776, you can be forgiven for not  knowing about it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , by the way : Portland ( and Oregon at-large ) pretty much pioneered the urban planning and growth boundary system that you are cheerleading with your car-hate and enviro-spew in the 1970s .
Sigh. Typical US-centric thinking , even by supposedly enlightened west-coasters .
The idea of a green belt dates to biblical times [ wikipedia.org ] , and the modern idea of a legislated development-free belt around a rapidly expanding city dates to 1930s London ( England ) But since the London greenbelt happened after the Great Disappearance of the Rest of the World in 1776 , you can be forgiven for not knowing about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, by the way:  Portland (and Oregon at-large) pretty much pioneered the urban planning and growth boundary system that you are cheerleading with your car-hate and enviro-spew in the 1970s.
Sigh. Typical US-centric thinking, even by supposedly enlightened west-coasters.
The idea of a green belt dates to biblical times [wikipedia.org], and the modern idea of a legislated development-free belt around a rapidly expanding city dates to 1930s London (England)
 
But since the London greenbelt happened after the Great Disappearance of the Rest of the World in 1776, you can be forgiven for not  knowing about it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28423625</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>doctorcisco</author>
	<datestamp>1245690360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even in the 'land of opportunity', it takes a good hundred years of honest work with full legal protections to make something of yourself (or in this case, make something of your great grandchildren). </p></div><p>SSSShhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! Don't tell the 2 immigrants (one just became a U.S. citizen last month) I work with who make &gt;$100K/yr. They think they're doing just fine, and will be really pissed to learn their families' lives are going to suck for another century.</p><p>doc</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even in the 'land of opportunity ' , it takes a good hundred years of honest work with full legal protections to make something of yourself ( or in this case , make something of your great grandchildren ) .
SSSShhhhhhhh ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Do n't tell the 2 immigrants ( one just became a U.S. citizen last month ) I work with who make &gt; $ 100K/yr .
They think they 're doing just fine , and will be really pissed to learn their families ' lives are going to suck for another century.doc</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even in the 'land of opportunity', it takes a good hundred years of honest work with full legal protections to make something of yourself (or in this case, make something of your great grandchildren).
SSSShhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! Don't tell the 2 immigrants (one just became a U.S. citizen last month) I work with who make &gt;$100K/yr.
They think they're doing just fine, and will be really pissed to learn their families' lives are going to suck for another century.doc
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382839</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245329100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Ah. The old "urban areas are crime infested ghettos and suburbs are all sweetness and light" fallacy.</p></div></blockquote><p>But it's true for the cities mentioned in the article that are candidates for being bulldozed.  People still leave in droves to get away from the crime, high taxes, horrible schools, and other BS done by the city.  People 'vote with their feet' and put up with commuting in order to not deal with that.</p><p>Also, they aren't 'compacting' the cities to make everything closer together.  They are leveling abandoned neighborhoods and removing the municipal services to those areas to reduce costs and get rid of eyesores in the process.  People will still have to make a car or bus trip to do their shopping/go to work/whatever.  The resulting green spaces will be essentially monuments to the incompetent and corrupt politicians that have dominated those cities since the 1960s.  </p><p>I personally hate cities, especially the one I'm currently forced to live in.  I'd buy a ticket to be able to drive a dozer for a half hour or so of entertainment of destroying some of the shitholes around here.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah .
The old " urban areas are crime infested ghettos and suburbs are all sweetness and light " fallacy.But it 's true for the cities mentioned in the article that are candidates for being bulldozed .
People still leave in droves to get away from the crime , high taxes , horrible schools , and other BS done by the city .
People 'vote with their feet ' and put up with commuting in order to not deal with that.Also , they are n't 'compacting ' the cities to make everything closer together .
They are leveling abandoned neighborhoods and removing the municipal services to those areas to reduce costs and get rid of eyesores in the process .
People will still have to make a car or bus trip to do their shopping/go to work/whatever .
The resulting green spaces will be essentially monuments to the incompetent and corrupt politicians that have dominated those cities since the 1960s .
I personally hate cities , especially the one I 'm currently forced to live in .
I 'd buy a ticket to be able to drive a dozer for a half hour or so of entertainment of destroying some of the shitholes around here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah.
The old "urban areas are crime infested ghettos and suburbs are all sweetness and light" fallacy.But it's true for the cities mentioned in the article that are candidates for being bulldozed.
People still leave in droves to get away from the crime, high taxes, horrible schools, and other BS done by the city.
People 'vote with their feet' and put up with commuting in order to not deal with that.Also, they aren't 'compacting' the cities to make everything closer together.
They are leveling abandoned neighborhoods and removing the municipal services to those areas to reduce costs and get rid of eyesores in the process.
People will still have to make a car or bus trip to do their shopping/go to work/whatever.
The resulting green spaces will be essentially monuments to the incompetent and corrupt politicians that have dominated those cities since the 1960s.
I personally hate cities, especially the one I'm currently forced to live in.
I'd buy a ticket to be able to drive a dozer for a half hour or so of entertainment of destroying some of the shitholes around here.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381177</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245321600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>obviously you haven't seen it...<br>it's not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>obviously you have n't seen it...it 's not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>obviously you haven't seen it...it's not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379877</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>fiannaFailMan</author>
	<datestamp>1245316800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah, I'm sure they'll thank you for moving them downtown to get harassed by bums, shot at by gangbangers, and attend a school where the teachers wear body armor. I can see them giving you the "World's Greatest Dad" cup now.</p></div><p>Ah.  The old "urban areas are crime infested ghettos and suburbs are all sweetness and light" fallacy.</p><p>Ever heard of a city called LA? It's a sprawl addict's dream.  A 100 mile wide city that has crime in abundance.  It has nice areas too though.</p><p>Ever heard of a city called San Francisco?  It's a compact city enthusiast's dream.  Things are so close together that you can (are you ready for this) WALK most places!  Sure it has its crime-intensive areas, but they're the exception.  The majority of the city is pleasant and safe enough that it attracts tourists by the million, and doesn't have the bums, gangbangers, and teachers in shining armour of which you speak. (OK, homelessness is a problem, but that's more to do with the city's temperate climate than anything else, and you'll find bums in other bay area cities including the low density ones.)</p><p>The point I'm making here is that there are good and bad high density cities, and good and bad low density cities. However, low density cities have an inherent problem that high density cities do not - namely heavy reliance on automobiles to meet daily needs, extra expense of delivering utilities and services, along with the pollution and social isolation that comes from single-use zoning.  This scheme in TFA looks like a good way to bring out the best in American cities and finally walk away from this unsustainable and wasteful settlement pattern that forces people to make car trips just to buy a bottle of milk or a postage stamp. What's the point in living in a city if you can't walk anywhere? You might as well live away out in the wilds.</p><p>And FYI, high density mixed-use zoning is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santana\_Row" title="wikipedia.org">proving to be in high demand</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></div>
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<tokenext>Yeah , I 'm sure they 'll thank you for moving them downtown to get harassed by bums , shot at by gangbangers , and attend a school where the teachers wear body armor .
I can see them giving you the " World 's Greatest Dad " cup now.Ah .
The old " urban areas are crime infested ghettos and suburbs are all sweetness and light " fallacy.Ever heard of a city called LA ?
It 's a sprawl addict 's dream .
A 100 mile wide city that has crime in abundance .
It has nice areas too though.Ever heard of a city called San Francisco ?
It 's a compact city enthusiast 's dream .
Things are so close together that you can ( are you ready for this ) WALK most places !
Sure it has its crime-intensive areas , but they 're the exception .
The majority of the city is pleasant and safe enough that it attracts tourists by the million , and does n't have the bums , gangbangers , and teachers in shining armour of which you speak .
( OK , homelessness is a problem , but that 's more to do with the city 's temperate climate than anything else , and you 'll find bums in other bay area cities including the low density ones .
) The point I 'm making here is that there are good and bad high density cities , and good and bad low density cities .
However , low density cities have an inherent problem that high density cities do not - namely heavy reliance on automobiles to meet daily needs , extra expense of delivering utilities and services , along with the pollution and social isolation that comes from single-use zoning .
This scheme in TFA looks like a good way to bring out the best in American cities and finally walk away from this unsustainable and wasteful settlement pattern that forces people to make car trips just to buy a bottle of milk or a postage stamp .
What 's the point in living in a city if you ca n't walk anywhere ?
You might as well live away out in the wilds.And FYI , high density mixed-use zoning is proving to be in high demand [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I'm sure they'll thank you for moving them downtown to get harassed by bums, shot at by gangbangers, and attend a school where the teachers wear body armor.
I can see them giving you the "World's Greatest Dad" cup now.Ah.
The old "urban areas are crime infested ghettos and suburbs are all sweetness and light" fallacy.Ever heard of a city called LA?
It's a sprawl addict's dream.
A 100 mile wide city that has crime in abundance.
It has nice areas too though.Ever heard of a city called San Francisco?
It's a compact city enthusiast's dream.
Things are so close together that you can (are you ready for this) WALK most places!
Sure it has its crime-intensive areas, but they're the exception.
The majority of the city is pleasant and safe enough that it attracts tourists by the million, and doesn't have the bums, gangbangers, and teachers in shining armour of which you speak.
(OK, homelessness is a problem, but that's more to do with the city's temperate climate than anything else, and you'll find bums in other bay area cities including the low density ones.
)The point I'm making here is that there are good and bad high density cities, and good and bad low density cities.
However, low density cities have an inherent problem that high density cities do not - namely heavy reliance on automobiles to meet daily needs, extra expense of delivering utilities and services, along with the pollution and social isolation that comes from single-use zoning.
This scheme in TFA looks like a good way to bring out the best in American cities and finally walk away from this unsustainable and wasteful settlement pattern that forces people to make car trips just to buy a bottle of milk or a postage stamp.
What's the point in living in a city if you can't walk anywhere?
You might as well live away out in the wilds.And FYI, high density mixed-use zoning is proving to be in high demand [wikipedia.org].
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378949</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>stillpixel</author>
	<datestamp>1245357180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Feel free to move there and buy up those rowhouses.. they are CHEAP!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..
<br> <br>
 yeah sure.. no one wants to even buy a super cheap house in B'more.. no offense to the locals, but most of you scare people off.
<br> <br>
My wife and I were driving there last fall and went the wrong way and spent five minutes very tensely trying to find the right way out of there.
<br> <br>
Ever see a person pick up a cigarette butt of the ground and smell it, then try to light it?
<br> <br>
I'd love to live in Baltimore if more of it was like the little area that makes up the Inner Harbor and some of the other rehabbed areas. But the schools are dismal and getting worse. My wife is a middle school teacher who has always taught at Title 1 schools and even she didn't want to go to Baltimore to work.
<br> <br>
So yes this "return to nature" plan could be a good thing. Maybe it will be good to get rid of those areas that have no residents and just give criminals a place to operate. It could definitely help the Baltimore city government, not having to patrol/respond to those areas would make their jobs easier. Less money spent on clearing drug dealers out of abandoned building, re-boarding up abandoned buildings..Then they can focus better on the remaining smaller leaner city and it's residents.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Feel free to move there and buy up those rowhouses.. they are CHEAP !
. . yeah sure.. no one wants to even buy a super cheap house in B'more.. no offense to the locals , but most of you scare people off .
My wife and I were driving there last fall and went the wrong way and spent five minutes very tensely trying to find the right way out of there .
Ever see a person pick up a cigarette butt of the ground and smell it , then try to light it ?
I 'd love to live in Baltimore if more of it was like the little area that makes up the Inner Harbor and some of the other rehabbed areas .
But the schools are dismal and getting worse .
My wife is a middle school teacher who has always taught at Title 1 schools and even she did n't want to go to Baltimore to work .
So yes this " return to nature " plan could be a good thing .
Maybe it will be good to get rid of those areas that have no residents and just give criminals a place to operate .
It could definitely help the Baltimore city government , not having to patrol/respond to those areas would make their jobs easier .
Less money spent on clearing drug dealers out of abandoned building , re-boarding up abandoned buildings..Then they can focus better on the remaining smaller leaner city and it 's residents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Feel free to move there and buy up those rowhouses.. they are CHEAP!
..
 
 yeah sure.. no one wants to even buy a super cheap house in B'more.. no offense to the locals, but most of you scare people off.
My wife and I were driving there last fall and went the wrong way and spent five minutes very tensely trying to find the right way out of there.
Ever see a person pick up a cigarette butt of the ground and smell it, then try to light it?
I'd love to live in Baltimore if more of it was like the little area that makes up the Inner Harbor and some of the other rehabbed areas.
But the schools are dismal and getting worse.
My wife is a middle school teacher who has always taught at Title 1 schools and even she didn't want to go to Baltimore to work.
So yes this "return to nature" plan could be a good thing.
Maybe it will be good to get rid of those areas that have no residents and just give criminals a place to operate.
It could definitely help the Baltimore city government, not having to patrol/respond to those areas would make their jobs easier.
Less money spent on clearing drug dealers out of abandoned building, re-boarding up abandoned buildings..Then they can focus better on the remaining smaller leaner city and it's residents.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380263</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Arthur Grumbine</author>
	<datestamp>1245318000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ahhh... is Northern Virginia the perfect representative of modern suburbia? I keep forgetting. And here I am sitting on the border of L.A. and Orange County, which <i>seems</i> to be both very suburban, and yet very bicycle friendly. Granted our major streets <i>are</i> "6-lane highways", but they also have intersections every 100 yards, making it easy for pedestrian and bicycle traffic to get around. In fact, all the places where I've lived in the last couple years (Ventura County, San Bernardino County, Los Angeles County, and Orange County) whose combined populations (16 million total - the vast majority living in suburbia) is more than the combined populations of all of Virginia, D.C., Maryland, and West Virginia, have been very bicycle-friendly. Maybe what you meant to say was:<p><div class="quote"><p>Very few places today, <b>near where I live at least,</b> are bicycle-friendly.</p></div></div>
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<tokenext>Ahhh... is Northern Virginia the perfect representative of modern suburbia ?
I keep forgetting .
And here I am sitting on the border of L.A. and Orange County , which seems to be both very suburban , and yet very bicycle friendly .
Granted our major streets are " 6-lane highways " , but they also have intersections every 100 yards , making it easy for pedestrian and bicycle traffic to get around .
In fact , all the places where I 've lived in the last couple years ( Ventura County , San Bernardino County , Los Angeles County , and Orange County ) whose combined populations ( 16 million total - the vast majority living in suburbia ) is more than the combined populations of all of Virginia , D.C. , Maryland , and West Virginia , have been very bicycle-friendly .
Maybe what you meant to say was : Very few places today , near where I live at least , are bicycle-friendly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahhh... is Northern Virginia the perfect representative of modern suburbia?
I keep forgetting.
And here I am sitting on the border of L.A. and Orange County, which seems to be both very suburban, and yet very bicycle friendly.
Granted our major streets are "6-lane highways", but they also have intersections every 100 yards, making it easy for pedestrian and bicycle traffic to get around.
In fact, all the places where I've lived in the last couple years (Ventura County, San Bernardino County, Los Angeles County, and Orange County) whose combined populations (16 million total - the vast majority living in suburbia) is more than the combined populations of all of Virginia, D.C., Maryland, and West Virginia, have been very bicycle-friendly.
Maybe what you meant to say was:Very few places today, near where I live at least, are bicycle-friendly.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385311</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245346500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>B-more isn't going anywhere.  Best city in America<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>B-more is n't going anywhere .
Best city in America : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>B-more isn't going anywhere.
Best city in America :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383349</id>
	<title>Re:good, but how much will it cost?</title>
	<author>ksheff</author>
	<datestamp>1245331020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many of these properties in question can often be bought from the city or county by paying the tax lien and were abandoned dumps long before the subprime market crashed.  I looked through a listing of these properties a few years ago and was amazed at the number of properties that have been sitting around for several years.  A quick lookup on google maps confirmed why.<blockquote><div><p>Families who were priced out of home given the greed of the home investors at the expense of the home owners.</p></div></blockquote><p>There are quite a few home owners that profited when they sold their homes before the bubble popped.  People who willingly signed for loans that they couldn't afford as just as guilty as the bozos selling securities made up of those mortgages.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Many of these properties in question can often be bought from the city or county by paying the tax lien and were abandoned dumps long before the subprime market crashed .
I looked through a listing of these properties a few years ago and was amazed at the number of properties that have been sitting around for several years .
A quick lookup on google maps confirmed why.Families who were priced out of home given the greed of the home investors at the expense of the home owners.There are quite a few home owners that profited when they sold their homes before the bubble popped .
People who willingly signed for loans that they could n't afford as just as guilty as the bozos selling securities made up of those mortgages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many of these properties in question can often be bought from the city or county by paying the tax lien and were abandoned dumps long before the subprime market crashed.
I looked through a listing of these properties a few years ago and was amazed at the number of properties that have been sitting around for several years.
A quick lookup on google maps confirmed why.Families who were priced out of home given the greed of the home investors at the expense of the home owners.There are quite a few home owners that profited when they sold their homes before the bubble popped.
People who willingly signed for loans that they couldn't afford as just as guilty as the bozos selling securities made up of those mortgages.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380297</id>
	<title>Re:Pollution?</title>
	<author>SydShamino</author>
	<datestamp>1245318180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As opposed to just leaving the building abandoned until someone torches it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As opposed to just leaving the building abandoned until someone torches it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As opposed to just leaving the building abandoned until someone torches it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28447911</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245765660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a brit , the prospect of american metropolises shrinking is a good thing, if the hummers and smoke belching industries goe with them its a better thing, bigger is better as the americans so stupidly spout is comming back to bite them on the ass, and i hope there is venom in the fangs that do the biting<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,knock down everything that is outside the bible belt lol then you will truly be the laughing stock of the planet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a brit , the prospect of american metropolises shrinking is a good thing , if the hummers and smoke belching industries goe with them its a better thing , bigger is better as the americans so stupidly spout is comming back to bite them on the ass , and i hope there is venom in the fangs that do the biting ,knock down everything that is outside the bible belt lol then you will truly be the laughing stock of the planet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a brit , the prospect of american metropolises shrinking is a good thing, if the hummers and smoke belching industries goe with them its a better thing, bigger is better as the americans so stupidly spout is comming back to bite them on the ass, and i hope there is venom in the fangs that do the biting ,knock down everything that is outside the bible belt lol then you will truly be the laughing stock of the planet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380333</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1245318300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Children don't do that anymore.. Their parents are too terrified they will be kidnapped.  Sadly, I'm not joking.. its pretty damn sad. Check out www.Freerangekids.org for one lady fighting back against the "think of the children" fear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Children do n't do that anymore.. Their parents are too terrified they will be kidnapped .
Sadly , I 'm not joking.. its pretty damn sad .
Check out www.Freerangekids.org for one lady fighting back against the " think of the children " fear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Children don't do that anymore.. Their parents are too terrified they will be kidnapped.
Sadly, I'm not joking.. its pretty damn sad.
Check out www.Freerangekids.org for one lady fighting back against the "think of the children" fear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380633</id>
	<title>Re:Create parks inside the cities</title>
	<author>DavidTC</author>
	<datestamp>1245319500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No kidding. Instead of parks, how about some damn mass transit? Have wider streets, run a 'tolley line' though it. (Or, rather, a tolley-like bus with a permanent lane that people can step on and off very quickly.)</p><p>
Or, more to the point, how about a city built correctly, with shops on the ground floor and apartments above them, so that people can get 95\% of their shopping done in their own neighborhood? (And this time they'd have damn elevators.)</p><p>
Which also helps reduce crime as apartments can no longer be broken into on ground-level. Obviously, businesses can be, but they always can, businesses have to be accessible to the public.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No kidding .
Instead of parks , how about some damn mass transit ?
Have wider streets , run a 'tolley line ' though it .
( Or , rather , a tolley-like bus with a permanent lane that people can step on and off very quickly .
) Or , more to the point , how about a city built correctly , with shops on the ground floor and apartments above them , so that people can get 95 \ % of their shopping done in their own neighborhood ?
( And this time they 'd have damn elevators .
) Which also helps reduce crime as apartments can no longer be broken into on ground-level .
Obviously , businesses can be , but they always can , businesses have to be accessible to the public .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No kidding.
Instead of parks, how about some damn mass transit?
Have wider streets, run a 'tolley line' though it.
(Or, rather, a tolley-like bus with a permanent lane that people can step on and off very quickly.
)
Or, more to the point, how about a city built correctly, with shops on the ground floor and apartments above them, so that people can get 95\% of their shopping done in their own neighborhood?
(And this time they'd have damn elevators.
)
Which also helps reduce crime as apartments can no longer be broken into on ground-level.
Obviously, businesses can be, but they always can, businesses have to be accessible to the public.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382169</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Alcoholist</author>
	<datestamp>1245325980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but ours is an information economy now.  We have computer animation to produce abandoned cities for us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but ours is an information economy now .
We have computer animation to produce abandoned cities for us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but ours is an information economy now.
We have computer animation to produce abandoned cities for us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378191</id>
	<title>Detroit</title>
	<author>courteaudotbiz</author>
	<datestamp>1245355140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Detroit seems to be the wisest place to begin with. High crime, lost Stanley cup, agony of the car companies. Let Sillicon Valley become the new city for car makers. Li-Ion rules!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Detroit seems to be the wisest place to begin with .
High crime , lost Stanley cup , agony of the car companies .
Let Sillicon Valley become the new city for car makers .
Li-Ion rules !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Detroit seems to be the wisest place to begin with.
High crime, lost Stanley cup, agony of the car companies.
Let Sillicon Valley become the new city for car makers.
Li-Ion rules!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384087</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245335400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>statistics aren't racist, idiot</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>statistics are n't racist , idiot</tokentext>
<sentencetext>statistics aren't racist, idiot</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384331</id>
	<title>Re:concentration camps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245337020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi Obama! Its nice to see you using slashdot...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi Obama !
Its nice to see you using slashdot.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi Obama!
Its nice to see you using slashdot...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380225</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245317880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"as gas prices continue to rise, urban development plans will favor this model of development:"<br>No, people will pressure the market for electric cars.</p><p>"then the choice between sitting in your car in a traffic jam on the freeway at $4/ gallon gasoline in 105 degree phoenix won't look as nice as walking the charming old refurbished downtowns of historic cities."<br>until it's 105 below.</p><p>The burbs will always be here, and so will the automobile in some form. It would be stupid to not use that kind of transportation.<br>There is nothing wrong with the suburbs. There nice, relatively safe, quite and not as crowded as a city.</p><p>[Stupid]"mark my words: the 1950s trend of everyone moving west will be replaced in 2025 by stories of everyone out west moving to the midwest belt"[/Stupid]</p><p>Ok, they're marked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" as gas prices continue to rise , urban development plans will favor this model of development : " No , people will pressure the market for electric cars .
" then the choice between sitting in your car in a traffic jam on the freeway at $ 4/ gallon gasoline in 105 degree phoenix wo n't look as nice as walking the charming old refurbished downtowns of historic cities .
" until it 's 105 below.The burbs will always be here , and so will the automobile in some form .
It would be stupid to not use that kind of transportation.There is nothing wrong with the suburbs .
There nice , relatively safe , quite and not as crowded as a city .
[ Stupid ] " mark my words : the 1950s trend of everyone moving west will be replaced in 2025 by stories of everyone out west moving to the midwest belt " [ /Stupid ] Ok , they 're marked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"as gas prices continue to rise, urban development plans will favor this model of development:"No, people will pressure the market for electric cars.
"then the choice between sitting in your car in a traffic jam on the freeway at $4/ gallon gasoline in 105 degree phoenix won't look as nice as walking the charming old refurbished downtowns of historic cities.
"until it's 105 below.The burbs will always be here, and so will the automobile in some form.
It would be stupid to not use that kind of transportation.There is nothing wrong with the suburbs.
There nice, relatively safe, quite and not as crowded as a city.
[Stupid]"mark my words: the 1950s trend of everyone moving west will be replaced in 2025 by stories of everyone out west moving to the midwest belt"[/Stupid]Ok, they're marked.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381511</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>rsborg</author>
	<datestamp>1245323040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences.</p></div></blockquote><p>First thing you have to do is to keep the humans out. I bet that is far more costly than either </p><ol> <li>keeping it as part of the city proper</li><li>razing it</li></ol></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences.First thing you have to do is to keep the humans out .
I bet that is far more costly than either keeping it as part of the city properrazing it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences.First thing you have to do is to keep the humans out.
I bet that is far more costly than either  keeping it as part of the city properrazing it
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379629</id>
	<title>Re:"Shrink!" It's the new Growth!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245316020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But if their 'old home' is worth next to nothing because of the neighbourhood... is the city going to buy their 'new house' and pay for their moving fees?  Otherwise, I can't forsee a whole ton of people being able to afford to move 'because you're far away'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But if their 'old home ' is worth next to nothing because of the neighbourhood... is the city going to buy their 'new house ' and pay for their moving fees ?
Otherwise , I ca n't forsee a whole ton of people being able to afford to move 'because you 're far away' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if their 'old home' is worth next to nothing because of the neighbourhood... is the city going to buy their 'new house' and pay for their moving fees?
Otherwise, I can't forsee a whole ton of people being able to afford to move 'because you're far away'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378287</id>
	<title>Cor!</title>
	<author>dr\_wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1245355320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i> <b>"But some Flint dustcarts are collecting just one rubbish bag a week</b>, roads are decaying, police are very understaffed and there were simply too few people to pay for services, he said."</i>
<br> <br> <br>

Ya know they's in barney when the dustcarts dont' e'en have any rubbish to pick up!</htmltext>
<tokenext>" But some Flint dustcarts are collecting just one rubbish bag a week , roads are decaying , police are very understaffed and there were simply too few people to pay for services , he said .
" Ya know they 's in barney when the dustcarts dont ' e'en have any rubbish to pick up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "But some Flint dustcarts are collecting just one rubbish bag a week, roads are decaying, police are very understaffed and there were simply too few people to pay for services, he said.
"
  

Ya know they's in barney when the dustcarts dont' e'en have any rubbish to pick up!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380169</id>
	<title>Re:Create parks inside the cities</title>
	<author>Rycross</author>
	<datestamp>1245317640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't speak scientifically one way or the other, but I certainly felt more relaxed with a park nearby.  Taking a walk through the park was certainly nice.  One of my biggest disappointments moving away from Chicago is that I no longer have easy access to a nice large park like Lincoln Park.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't speak scientifically one way or the other , but I certainly felt more relaxed with a park nearby .
Taking a walk through the park was certainly nice .
One of my biggest disappointments moving away from Chicago is that I no longer have easy access to a nice large park like Lincoln Park .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't speak scientifically one way or the other, but I certainly felt more relaxed with a park nearby.
Taking a walk through the park was certainly nice.
One of my biggest disappointments moving away from Chicago is that I no longer have easy access to a nice large park like Lincoln Park.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378575</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1245356100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a complete waste of effort.  The economy grows because we produce things, not because we dig holes and fill them up.<br> <br>
At one time, everyone in society had to spend their effort on food/shelter production, basic maintenance.  Then, as society progressed, farming techniques improved, it wasn't necessary for everyone to be a farmer.  The people who didn't need to farm anymore started building more interesting things, like iPods, and books. <br> <br> I like my iPod, I'm glad the developers at Apple weren't wasting their effort building things and then demolishing them.  For society to progress, we need people to think of new things, not waste their time building things that don't matter.  That is the catch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a complete waste of effort .
The economy grows because we produce things , not because we dig holes and fill them up .
At one time , everyone in society had to spend their effort on food/shelter production , basic maintenance .
Then , as society progressed , farming techniques improved , it was n't necessary for everyone to be a farmer .
The people who did n't need to farm anymore started building more interesting things , like iPods , and books .
I like my iPod , I 'm glad the developers at Apple were n't wasting their effort building things and then demolishing them .
For society to progress , we need people to think of new things , not waste their time building things that do n't matter .
That is the catch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a complete waste of effort.
The economy grows because we produce things, not because we dig holes and fill them up.
At one time, everyone in society had to spend their effort on food/shelter production, basic maintenance.
Then, as society progressed, farming techniques improved, it wasn't necessary for everyone to be a farmer.
The people who didn't need to farm anymore started building more interesting things, like iPods, and books.
I like my iPod, I'm glad the developers at Apple weren't wasting their effort building things and then demolishing them.
For society to progress, we need people to think of new things, not waste their time building things that don't matter.
That is the catch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379321</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1245358320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me. It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.</p></div><p>This is a good point and a valid concern, but it depends a bit on the areas they're getting rid of.  There may be large areas that are essentially empty anyway, and maybe lots of those buildings are in bad shape (and maybe should even be condemned).  I'm not too familiar with the cities in question, but the scenario doesn't seem completely impossible.
</p><p>Also, for anyone who is displaced, they could choose to offer some other kinds of options for relocation, which wouldn't necessarily drive people out of the city.  Maybe they could offer some alternative low-incoming housing for people who can't afford to simply move?
</p><p>Anyway, it generally sounds like a good idea to me.  For economic, environmental, and even social/cultural/health reasons, I think that our country would be well served by aiming to increase population density in specific areas (i.e. move people in cities into more compact cities, move people in suburbs into cities, even moving farming closer to cities, and leave more of the country open to nature).
</p><p>In larger population densities, you can more easily (economically) provide better services to more people.  Assuming things are done right, Infrastructure becomes cheaper to build and maintain.  Having people live in cities is generally much more energy efficient per-person.  Ignoring air pollution issues, people who live in cities are often thinner and healthier.
</p><p>There are trade-offs, yes, but I think the suburbs sort of need to die.  People don't realize that they're a relatively recent invention (suburbs arguably didn't exist until about half a century ago), and I think it's a social experiment which has failed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How this is n't considered " ethnically cleansing " cities is beyond me .
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.This is a good point and a valid concern , but it depends a bit on the areas they 're getting rid of .
There may be large areas that are essentially empty anyway , and maybe lots of those buildings are in bad shape ( and maybe should even be condemned ) .
I 'm not too familiar with the cities in question , but the scenario does n't seem completely impossible .
Also , for anyone who is displaced , they could choose to offer some other kinds of options for relocation , which would n't necessarily drive people out of the city .
Maybe they could offer some alternative low-incoming housing for people who ca n't afford to simply move ?
Anyway , it generally sounds like a good idea to me .
For economic , environmental , and even social/cultural/health reasons , I think that our country would be well served by aiming to increase population density in specific areas ( i.e .
move people in cities into more compact cities , move people in suburbs into cities , even moving farming closer to cities , and leave more of the country open to nature ) .
In larger population densities , you can more easily ( economically ) provide better services to more people .
Assuming things are done right , Infrastructure becomes cheaper to build and maintain .
Having people live in cities is generally much more energy efficient per-person .
Ignoring air pollution issues , people who live in cities are often thinner and healthier .
There are trade-offs , yes , but I think the suburbs sort of need to die .
People do n't realize that they 're a relatively recent invention ( suburbs arguably did n't exist until about half a century ago ) , and I think it 's a social experiment which has failed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.This is a good point and a valid concern, but it depends a bit on the areas they're getting rid of.
There may be large areas that are essentially empty anyway, and maybe lots of those buildings are in bad shape (and maybe should even be condemned).
I'm not too familiar with the cities in question, but the scenario doesn't seem completely impossible.
Also, for anyone who is displaced, they could choose to offer some other kinds of options for relocation, which wouldn't necessarily drive people out of the city.
Maybe they could offer some alternative low-incoming housing for people who can't afford to simply move?
Anyway, it generally sounds like a good idea to me.
For economic, environmental, and even social/cultural/health reasons, I think that our country would be well served by aiming to increase population density in specific areas (i.e.
move people in cities into more compact cities, move people in suburbs into cities, even moving farming closer to cities, and leave more of the country open to nature).
In larger population densities, you can more easily (economically) provide better services to more people.
Assuming things are done right, Infrastructure becomes cheaper to build and maintain.
Having people live in cities is generally much more energy efficient per-person.
Ignoring air pollution issues, people who live in cities are often thinner and healthier.
There are trade-offs, yes, but I think the suburbs sort of need to die.
People don't realize that they're a relatively recent invention (suburbs arguably didn't exist until about half a century ago), and I think it's a social experiment which has failed.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379543</id>
	<title>Re:Detroit</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1245315780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Demolishing buildings isn't cheap.</p></div><p>Once you own the equipment, it's essentially a matter of paying for labor and fuel.</p><p>Fortunately for detroit, there are extreme levels of unemployment due to the failure of heavy industries.  They already have 2/3 of the resources necessary to begin a large-scale demolition project.   Seems to me like you'd be able to do it <i>very</i> cheaply, given the abundance of surplus heavy equipment in the city, not to mention the hordes of laborers desperate for employment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Demolishing buildings is n't cheap.Once you own the equipment , it 's essentially a matter of paying for labor and fuel.Fortunately for detroit , there are extreme levels of unemployment due to the failure of heavy industries .
They already have 2/3 of the resources necessary to begin a large-scale demolition project .
Seems to me like you 'd be able to do it very cheaply , given the abundance of surplus heavy equipment in the city , not to mention the hordes of laborers desperate for employment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Demolishing buildings isn't cheap.Once you own the equipment, it's essentially a matter of paying for labor and fuel.Fortunately for detroit, there are extreme levels of unemployment due to the failure of heavy industries.
They already have 2/3 of the resources necessary to begin a large-scale demolition project.
Seems to me like you'd be able to do it very cheaply, given the abundance of surplus heavy equipment in the city, not to mention the hordes of laborers desperate for employment.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378893</id>
	<title>Re:Really a Shame</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1245357000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Many people in the US are strongly opposed to illegal immigration, but despite the efforts of many in the media to portray them as anti immigration, those same people would often support some variant of the program you proposed (if it followed a strong, effective crackdown on illegal immigrants).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many people in the US are strongly opposed to illegal immigration , but despite the efforts of many in the media to portray them as anti immigration , those same people would often support some variant of the program you proposed ( if it followed a strong , effective crackdown on illegal immigrants ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many people in the US are strongly opposed to illegal immigration, but despite the efforts of many in the media to portray them as anti immigration, those same people would often support some variant of the program you proposed (if it followed a strong, effective crackdown on illegal immigrants).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381031</id>
	<title>Re:Tent Cities</title>
	<author>downix</author>
	<datestamp>1245321120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know that St Pete FL has a substantial tent city, I drive by it almost every day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that St Pete FL has a substantial tent city , I drive by it almost every day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that St Pete FL has a substantial tent city, I drive by it almost every day.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378069</id>
	<title>Escape from LA (or NY)?</title>
	<author>spydum</author>
	<datestamp>1245354840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We could build a containment wall around these cities and use their infrastructure to support our growing prison population.

Why not? Worked well enough for the Australians -- they eventually recovered and prospered!</htmltext>
<tokenext>We could build a containment wall around these cities and use their infrastructure to support our growing prison population .
Why not ?
Worked well enough for the Australians -- they eventually recovered and prospered !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We could build a containment wall around these cities and use their infrastructure to support our growing prison population.
Why not?
Worked well enough for the Australians -- they eventually recovered and prospered!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378467</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>rev\_sanchez</author>
	<datestamp>1245355860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Feral crackheads will swing from tree to tree like Tarzan, battling beast and man alike for dominion over the urban green spaces.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Feral crackheads will swing from tree to tree like Tarzan , battling beast and man alike for dominion over the urban green spaces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Feral crackheads will swing from tree to tree like Tarzan, battling beast and man alike for dominion over the urban green spaces.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378135</id>
	<title>My support</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1245355020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If this plan includes Detroit, I fully support it. Otherwise, I think it's sad and wrong and I oppose it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this plan includes Detroit , I fully support it .
Otherwise , I think it 's sad and wrong and I oppose it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this plan includes Detroit, I fully support it.
Otherwise, I think it's sad and wrong and I oppose it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379135</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245357780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was actually kind of surprised to see Baltimore on the list.  Given its location, it's a prime candidate for urban renewal.  DC's been growing explosively over the past decade, and the <a href="http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1904187,00.html" title="time.com" rel="nofollow">suburban sprawl</a> [time.com] that appeared overnight is becoming less and less popular, while space within the city itself is dwindling, and the 'bad neighborhoods' are gradually becoming livable again.</p><p>Baltimore is about an hour away, and clearly has an abundance of housing available.  I'm surpised that the city hasn't been able to capitalize on this.  (Granted, they'll have to fix the socioeconomic problems causing the absurdly high crime rate, which unfortunately might be a chicken-or-egg type of situation.)</p><p>Although I suppose you could question the extent of its benefits, Baltimore very successfully revitalized its inner harbor area.</p><p>Major props go to the Orioles for successfully integrating their ballpark into the urban landscape.  I'm not a huge baseball fan, although I almost always try to catch a game whenever I'm in or near Baltimore.  It's one of the best (urban) places I know of to enjoy a night out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was actually kind of surprised to see Baltimore on the list .
Given its location , it 's a prime candidate for urban renewal .
DC 's been growing explosively over the past decade , and the suburban sprawl [ time.com ] that appeared overnight is becoming less and less popular , while space within the city itself is dwindling , and the 'bad neighborhoods ' are gradually becoming livable again.Baltimore is about an hour away , and clearly has an abundance of housing available .
I 'm surpised that the city has n't been able to capitalize on this .
( Granted , they 'll have to fix the socioeconomic problems causing the absurdly high crime rate , which unfortunately might be a chicken-or-egg type of situation .
) Although I suppose you could question the extent of its benefits , Baltimore very successfully revitalized its inner harbor area.Major props go to the Orioles for successfully integrating their ballpark into the urban landscape .
I 'm not a huge baseball fan , although I almost always try to catch a game whenever I 'm in or near Baltimore .
It 's one of the best ( urban ) places I know of to enjoy a night out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was actually kind of surprised to see Baltimore on the list.
Given its location, it's a prime candidate for urban renewal.
DC's been growing explosively over the past decade, and the suburban sprawl [time.com] that appeared overnight is becoming less and less popular, while space within the city itself is dwindling, and the 'bad neighborhoods' are gradually becoming livable again.Baltimore is about an hour away, and clearly has an abundance of housing available.
I'm surpised that the city hasn't been able to capitalize on this.
(Granted, they'll have to fix the socioeconomic problems causing the absurdly high crime rate, which unfortunately might be a chicken-or-egg type of situation.
)Although I suppose you could question the extent of its benefits, Baltimore very successfully revitalized its inner harbor area.Major props go to the Orioles for successfully integrating their ballpark into the urban landscape.
I'm not a huge baseball fan, although I almost always try to catch a game whenever I'm in or near Baltimore.
It's one of the best (urban) places I know of to enjoy a night out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379501</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245315660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.  It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.</p></div><p>Mod this idiotic post down. The links don't work... and the comments are just plain nonsense.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How this is n't considered " ethnically cleansing " cities is beyond me .
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.Mod this idiotic post down .
The links do n't work... and the comments are just plain nonsense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.Mod this idiotic post down.
The links don't work... and the comments are just plain nonsense.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382503</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>dmoynihan</author>
	<datestamp>1245327720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny thing, I just took the train past B'More, and I noticed that they've really spruced up the city beyond the tunnel--area that looked like a post-WWII bombing zone.  Lots of new/renovated townhomes, a hospital, etc.
</p><p>
Even had a billboard up, "Welcome To Our New East Side," that only train riders (including wealthy/powerful Acela-people) could see.
</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... of course, ya go near the tunnels, where the factories were and people are driving faster... it's a different story.
</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>/but yeah, population went from 1 million to 600k, and biggest driver for a lot of neighborhood "revivals" was speculators from DC, not to mention having a mayor under indictment, some zones can be meadowed.
</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>//Mostly I take the $25 bus to NY, but it was Memorial Day weekend, lines were <b>long,</b> and I was very hung-over.  Probably 10 years since I'd been on the train.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny thing , I just took the train past B'More , and I noticed that they 've really spruced up the city beyond the tunnel--area that looked like a post-WWII bombing zone .
Lots of new/renovated townhomes , a hospital , etc .
Even had a billboard up , " Welcome To Our New East Side , " that only train riders ( including wealthy/powerful Acela-people ) could see .
... of course , ya go near the tunnels , where the factories were and people are driving faster... it 's a different story .
/but yeah , population went from 1 million to 600k , and biggest driver for a lot of neighborhood " revivals " was speculators from DC , not to mention having a mayor under indictment , some zones can be meadowed .
//Mostly I take the $ 25 bus to NY , but it was Memorial Day weekend , lines were long , and I was very hung-over .
Probably 10 years since I 'd been on the train .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny thing, I just took the train past B'More, and I noticed that they've really spruced up the city beyond the tunnel--area that looked like a post-WWII bombing zone.
Lots of new/renovated townhomes, a hospital, etc.
Even had a billboard up, "Welcome To Our New East Side," that only train riders (including wealthy/powerful Acela-people) could see.
... of course, ya go near the tunnels, where the factories were and people are driving faster... it's a different story.
/but yeah, population went from 1 million to 600k, and biggest driver for a lot of neighborhood "revivals" was speculators from DC, not to mention having a mayor under indictment, some zones can be meadowed.
//Mostly I take the $25 bus to NY, but it was Memorial Day weekend, lines were long, and I was very hung-over.
Probably 10 years since I'd been on the train.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378077</id>
	<title>Urban Transit</title>
	<author>royallthefourth</author>
	<datestamp>1245354840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>White flight into the suburbs has brought us nothing but Wal-Mart and SUV's. I grew up in a suburb, and I hated how I was not able to go <i>anywhere</i> without a ride from my parents because everything was so far apart. Should I have children, I will not put them through that sort of social isolation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>White flight into the suburbs has brought us nothing but Wal-Mart and SUV 's .
I grew up in a suburb , and I hated how I was not able to go anywhere without a ride from my parents because everything was so far apart .
Should I have children , I will not put them through that sort of social isolation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>White flight into the suburbs has brought us nothing but Wal-Mart and SUV's.
I grew up in a suburb, and I hated how I was not able to go anywhere without a ride from my parents because everything was so far apart.
Should I have children, I will not put them through that sort of social isolation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384305</id>
	<title>Re:good, but how much will it cost?</title>
	<author>twostix</author>
	<datestamp>1245336720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If population is declining, and there are no jobs, and no people to live in the homes, then let's raze the land and return it to natural habitat. Hell, I say with a significant portion of a development is empty, pay the people to move, and raze the whole thing. "</p><p>So the families who did the right thing paid their mortgages are now going to be forced out of their homes by some government social engineering project.</p><p>If it was China doing it people would be screaming tyranny and chest puffing about how much better the US is because it doesn't do things like that.</p><p>Apparently it does do that and has has wide support from its population.</p><p>What a disturbing trend in attitudes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If population is declining , and there are no jobs , and no people to live in the homes , then let 's raze the land and return it to natural habitat .
Hell , I say with a significant portion of a development is empty , pay the people to move , and raze the whole thing .
" So the families who did the right thing paid their mortgages are now going to be forced out of their homes by some government social engineering project.If it was China doing it people would be screaming tyranny and chest puffing about how much better the US is because it does n't do things like that.Apparently it does do that and has has wide support from its population.What a disturbing trend in attitudes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If population is declining, and there are no jobs, and no people to live in the homes, then let's raze the land and return it to natural habitat.
Hell, I say with a significant portion of a development is empty, pay the people to move, and raze the whole thing.
"So the families who did the right thing paid their mortgages are now going to be forced out of their homes by some government social engineering project.If it was China doing it people would be screaming tyranny and chest puffing about how much better the US is because it doesn't do things like that.Apparently it does do that and has has wide support from its population.What a disturbing trend in attitudes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28392715</id>
	<title>Re:concentration camps</title>
	<author>Ironica</author>
	<datestamp>1245438180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Citation needed.   The most densely populated areas (think New York city) are the most costly places to live</p></div><p>The most desirable places to live (think California and New York City) are both the most heavily populated and the most expensive.  That's straight economics.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> and seem to be much more dangerous.</p></div><p>And that's straight conjecture.  Greater numbers of bad things happen when greater numbers of people are around for them to happen to.  There's plenty of smaller cities that have much higher rates of violence than Los Angeles and New York.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There is a paper by John B Calhoun entitled "Population Density and Social Pathology."</p></div><p>As luck would have it, I reviewed that paper in Social Ecology (mumble mumble) years ago.  It was a seminar-style class, where we took turns presenting the articles, then discussed them.  My perception (and my classmates saw it similarly) was that the study was very poorly conducted.  There was *no* control for the topology of the experimental setup; the observations about the migration towards the end areas and such hold no weight.  There weren't any controls to determine whether the sexual behavior was related to the crowding of space, or the unlimited supplies of food and water.</p><p>And, finally, these are rats; they don't have governments, community meetings, "neighbors," or a social structure that we would particularly recognize and identify with.  It's hard to draw conclusions about human behavior from this study.  It's particularly difficult when cross-cultural studies of human environments with similar statistics (people per square mile) but different economic setups or institutions yield wildly different birth rates, violence rates, and QOL indicators.</p><p>If you *do* accept the implications of the study, then you come to the conclusion that urban living is pathological, and we need to return to a rural lifestyle.  When you get down to it, this is probably true; what is natural for humans is a nomadic life living in small bands that only rarely meet, and usually peaceably, trading a member or two for marriage, and exchanging some goods.  I doubt you'll find many people who are up for that, though.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Citation needed .
The most densely populated areas ( think New York city ) are the most costly places to liveThe most desirable places to live ( think California and New York City ) are both the most heavily populated and the most expensive .
That 's straight economics .
and seem to be much more dangerous.And that 's straight conjecture .
Greater numbers of bad things happen when greater numbers of people are around for them to happen to .
There 's plenty of smaller cities that have much higher rates of violence than Los Angeles and New York.There is a paper by John B Calhoun entitled " Population Density and Social Pathology .
" As luck would have it , I reviewed that paper in Social Ecology ( mumble mumble ) years ago .
It was a seminar-style class , where we took turns presenting the articles , then discussed them .
My perception ( and my classmates saw it similarly ) was that the study was very poorly conducted .
There was * no * control for the topology of the experimental setup ; the observations about the migration towards the end areas and such hold no weight .
There were n't any controls to determine whether the sexual behavior was related to the crowding of space , or the unlimited supplies of food and water.And , finally , these are rats ; they do n't have governments , community meetings , " neighbors , " or a social structure that we would particularly recognize and identify with .
It 's hard to draw conclusions about human behavior from this study .
It 's particularly difficult when cross-cultural studies of human environments with similar statistics ( people per square mile ) but different economic setups or institutions yield wildly different birth rates , violence rates , and QOL indicators.If you * do * accept the implications of the study , then you come to the conclusion that urban living is pathological , and we need to return to a rural lifestyle .
When you get down to it , this is probably true ; what is natural for humans is a nomadic life living in small bands that only rarely meet , and usually peaceably , trading a member or two for marriage , and exchanging some goods .
I doubt you 'll find many people who are up for that , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Citation needed.
The most densely populated areas (think New York city) are the most costly places to liveThe most desirable places to live (think California and New York City) are both the most heavily populated and the most expensive.
That's straight economics.
and seem to be much more dangerous.And that's straight conjecture.
Greater numbers of bad things happen when greater numbers of people are around for them to happen to.
There's plenty of smaller cities that have much higher rates of violence than Los Angeles and New York.There is a paper by John B Calhoun entitled "Population Density and Social Pathology.
"As luck would have it, I reviewed that paper in Social Ecology (mumble mumble) years ago.
It was a seminar-style class, where we took turns presenting the articles, then discussed them.
My perception (and my classmates saw it similarly) was that the study was very poorly conducted.
There was *no* control for the topology of the experimental setup; the observations about the migration towards the end areas and such hold no weight.
There weren't any controls to determine whether the sexual behavior was related to the crowding of space, or the unlimited supplies of food and water.And, finally, these are rats; they don't have governments, community meetings, "neighbors," or a social structure that we would particularly recognize and identify with.
It's hard to draw conclusions about human behavior from this study.
It's particularly difficult when cross-cultural studies of human environments with similar statistics (people per square mile) but different economic setups or institutions yield wildly different birth rates, violence rates, and QOL indicators.If you *do* accept the implications of the study, then you come to the conclusion that urban living is pathological, and we need to return to a rural lifestyle.
When you get down to it, this is probably true; what is natural for humans is a nomadic life living in small bands that only rarely meet, and usually peaceably, trading a member or two for marriage, and exchanging some goods.
I doubt you'll find many people who are up for that, though.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385281</id>
	<title>Re:concentration camps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245346200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You're absolutely right about that; it's a lot cheaper to provide effective law enforcement to a denser population.  Same goes for fire stations, schools, sewer maintenance, water and power...</p><p>It doesn't have to be evil just because the government is doing it.</p></div><p>But it will be...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're absolutely right about that ; it 's a lot cheaper to provide effective law enforcement to a denser population .
Same goes for fire stations , schools , sewer maintenance , water and power...It does n't have to be evil just because the government is doing it.But it will be.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're absolutely right about that; it's a lot cheaper to provide effective law enforcement to a denser population.
Same goes for fire stations, schools, sewer maintenance, water and power...It doesn't have to be evil just because the government is doing it.But it will be...
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383937</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245334380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think its just a parked domain at godaddy filled with ads. Phishing is usually where someone tries to get your personal details for nefarious purposes. Godaddy just wants your money<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think its just a parked domain at godaddy filled with ads .
Phishing is usually where someone tries to get your personal details for nefarious purposes .
Godaddy just wants your money : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think its just a parked domain at godaddy filled with ads.
Phishing is usually where someone tries to get your personal details for nefarious purposes.
Godaddy just wants your money :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381121</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>xednieht</author>
	<datestamp>1245321420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Moving mid to the midwest my blah blah blah.
<br> <br>
Ohio makes Cuba look like a democracy, inbred political establishment, government corruption, you name it.<br>
No rail or public transit to speak of, Paris Hilton couldn't get a taxi if she laid naked in the street.<br>
The only lists Ohio shows up in the top 10 on are things like fattest state, states with greatest population loss, states with greatest loss of fortune 500 companies.<br>
Ohio will be a destination state when GW finds WMD's in Iraq.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Moving mid to the midwest my blah blah blah .
Ohio makes Cuba look like a democracy , inbred political establishment , government corruption , you name it .
No rail or public transit to speak of , Paris Hilton could n't get a taxi if she laid naked in the street .
The only lists Ohio shows up in the top 10 on are things like fattest state , states with greatest population loss , states with greatest loss of fortune 500 companies .
Ohio will be a destination state when GW finds WMD 's in Iraq .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moving mid to the midwest my blah blah blah.
Ohio makes Cuba look like a democracy, inbred political establishment, government corruption, you name it.
No rail or public transit to speak of, Paris Hilton couldn't get a taxi if she laid naked in the street.
The only lists Ohio shows up in the top 10 on are things like fattest state, states with greatest population loss, states with greatest loss of fortune 500 companies.
Ohio will be a destination state when GW finds WMD's in Iraq.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384519</id>
	<title>return to nature?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245338520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't just return land that has utility pipes and lines in to nature..  it's not going to be real nature.  And despite what eco-nuts would have you believe... a patch of green grass on the top of a high rise is actually about like pissing in the ocean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't just return land that has utility pipes and lines in to nature.. it 's not going to be real nature .
And despite what eco-nuts would have you believe... a patch of green grass on the top of a high rise is actually about like pissing in the ocean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't just return land that has utility pipes and lines in to nature..  it's not going to be real nature.
And despite what eco-nuts would have you believe... a patch of green grass on the top of a high rise is actually about like pissing in the ocean.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378101</id>
	<title>Dayton</title>
	<author>Ogive17</author>
	<datestamp>1245354900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately Dayton, OH should be on that list.  Just lost NCR..  you know it's bad when a company that was founded in your city over 100 years ago packs up shop without even giving the host city/state a chance to appease them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately Dayton , OH should be on that list .
Just lost NCR.. you know it 's bad when a company that was founded in your city over 100 years ago packs up shop without even giving the host city/state a chance to appease them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately Dayton, OH should be on that list.
Just lost NCR..  you know it's bad when a company that was founded in your city over 100 years ago packs up shop without even giving the host city/state a chance to appease them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378441</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245355740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You never had a bicycle? Riding bikes to friends houses was the highlight of living in the 'burbs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You never had a bicycle ?
Riding bikes to friends houses was the highlight of living in the 'burbs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You never had a bicycle?
Riding bikes to friends houses was the highlight of living in the 'burbs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378311</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>tcopeland</author>
	<datestamp>1245355380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; The article mentions Baltimore, which makes sense. If you've ever<br>&gt; visited some of the, shall we say, less popular portions of that city,<br>&gt; you'll find block after block of boarded-up rowhouses.</p><p>I was just down in Richmond VA this past weekend and saw some of the same - albeit on a smaller scale.  Really weird to see what should be primo storefronts boarded up.  It'd be especially hard to restart those depressed areas given the <a href="http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/06/deustche-bank-projecting-40-decline-in.html" title="blogspot.com">current commercial real estate problems</a> [blogspot.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The article mentions Baltimore , which makes sense .
If you 've ever &gt; visited some of the , shall we say , less popular portions of that city , &gt; you 'll find block after block of boarded-up rowhouses.I was just down in Richmond VA this past weekend and saw some of the same - albeit on a smaller scale .
Really weird to see what should be primo storefronts boarded up .
It 'd be especially hard to restart those depressed areas given the current commercial real estate problems [ blogspot.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The article mentions Baltimore, which makes sense.
If you've ever&gt; visited some of the, shall we say, less popular portions of that city,&gt; you'll find block after block of boarded-up rowhouses.I was just down in Richmond VA this past weekend and saw some of the same - albeit on a smaller scale.
Really weird to see what should be primo storefronts boarded up.
It'd be especially hard to restart those depressed areas given the current commercial real estate problems [blogspot.com].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380591</id>
	<title>Re:Really a Shame</title>
	<author>ciggieposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1245319320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Completely off topic here, but America needs to seriously reform the welfare system.</i></p><p>I totally agree.  America's largest corporations are completely dependent on government welfare and seem proud to admit it.  Subsidies for agribusiness, billions on military boondoggles that don't work, banks begging for public assistance but unwilling to open their books, medical insurers whose industry would fall flat if premiums were taxed like any other kind of income, sheesh that's *trillions* of dollars out of our pockets for those lazy executives...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Completely off topic here , but America needs to seriously reform the welfare system.I totally agree .
America 's largest corporations are completely dependent on government welfare and seem proud to admit it .
Subsidies for agribusiness , billions on military boondoggles that do n't work , banks begging for public assistance but unwilling to open their books , medical insurers whose industry would fall flat if premiums were taxed like any other kind of income , sheesh that 's * trillions * of dollars out of our pockets for those lazy executives.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Completely off topic here, but America needs to seriously reform the welfare system.I totally agree.
America's largest corporations are completely dependent on government welfare and seem proud to admit it.
Subsidies for agribusiness, billions on military boondoggles that don't work, banks begging for public assistance but unwilling to open their books, medical insurers whose industry would fall flat if premiums were taxed like any other kind of income, sheesh that's *trillions* of dollars out of our pockets for those lazy executives...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380761</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1245319980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Doesn't help the truly rural kids.</p><p>I had a bike, and rode it a lot.  The nearest kid I knew from my own grade from school lived 5 miles away.  The school itself was 30 miles away.</p><p>It sucks because for the most part kids are discouraged from talking while in the early grades of school.  You basically had recess to socialize, and I hear that now many schools are eliminating even that.  Believe me, my social skills took a HEAVY hit due to this.  I'm a lot better now that I'm in the work force, but it's taken a long time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't help the truly rural kids.I had a bike , and rode it a lot .
The nearest kid I knew from my own grade from school lived 5 miles away .
The school itself was 30 miles away.It sucks because for the most part kids are discouraged from talking while in the early grades of school .
You basically had recess to socialize , and I hear that now many schools are eliminating even that .
Believe me , my social skills took a HEAVY hit due to this .
I 'm a lot better now that I 'm in the work force , but it 's taken a long time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't help the truly rural kids.I had a bike, and rode it a lot.
The nearest kid I knew from my own grade from school lived 5 miles away.
The school itself was 30 miles away.It sucks because for the most part kids are discouraged from talking while in the early grades of school.
You basically had recess to socialize, and I hear that now many schools are eliminating even that.
Believe me, my social skills took a HEAVY hit due to this.
I'm a lot better now that I'm in the work force, but it's taken a long time.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381113</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>BlackSnake112</author>
	<datestamp>1245321420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That bike trail that I cross over every day is not a good place to ride a bike?</p><p>And 'main street' is not the 6 lane highway. The 6 lane highway (495 or the beltway) is what most people use to get from point a to point b. But it is not what most people would call main street. last I checked there is not a place to stop and get gas or shop on that 6 lane highway. You need to exit the highway onto *gasp* smaller roads that some might call "main street" for the town you are in. Actually Most of the exits off of 495 are also major roads. Some do have shopping though.</p><p>-- also live in Northern VA. 5 miles from DC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That bike trail that I cross over every day is not a good place to ride a bike ? And 'main street ' is not the 6 lane highway .
The 6 lane highway ( 495 or the beltway ) is what most people use to get from point a to point b. But it is not what most people would call main street .
last I checked there is not a place to stop and get gas or shop on that 6 lane highway .
You need to exit the highway onto * gasp * smaller roads that some might call " main street " for the town you are in .
Actually Most of the exits off of 495 are also major roads .
Some do have shopping though.-- also live in Northern VA. 5 miles from DC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That bike trail that I cross over every day is not a good place to ride a bike?And 'main street' is not the 6 lane highway.
The 6 lane highway (495 or the beltway) is what most people use to get from point a to point b. But it is not what most people would call main street.
last I checked there is not a place to stop and get gas or shop on that 6 lane highway.
You need to exit the highway onto *gasp* smaller roads that some might call "main street" for the town you are in.
Actually Most of the exits off of 495 are also major roads.
Some do have shopping though.-- also live in Northern VA. 5 miles from DC.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378203</id>
	<title>Create parks inside the cities</title>
	<author>hattig</author>
	<datestamp>1245355140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope that they do this in a sensible manner, introducing large parks inside the cities, instead of concentrating on creating a dense urban pimple with no nearby parks.</p><p>I.e., you make the city desirable via being an attractive area to live. This eventually brings in more modern businesses that have employees that demand such things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope that they do this in a sensible manner , introducing large parks inside the cities , instead of concentrating on creating a dense urban pimple with no nearby parks.I.e. , you make the city desirable via being an attractive area to live .
This eventually brings in more modern businesses that have employees that demand such things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope that they do this in a sensible manner, introducing large parks inside the cities, instead of concentrating on creating a dense urban pimple with no nearby parks.I.e., you make the city desirable via being an attractive area to live.
This eventually brings in more modern businesses that have employees that demand such things.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384481</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>theycallmeB</author>
	<datestamp>1245338220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, this sounds like a wee bit of English haughtiness.
<br> <br>
From the wiki for 'green belt (UK)' it seems that your green belts are implemented as a donut of limited development separating a city from what, are in affect, its outlying suburbs. Some 13\% of England's land area is designated as such, which is impressive, though it seems that some wish to reduce this.
<br> <br>
Urban growth boundaries are not greenbelts. Instead of reserving a ring of land and pushing further development out beyond that ring, UGBs draw a line in the sand and then make any significant development outside of that line devilishly difficult. Oregon's metro areas (Portland, Eugene, etc) exist as islands of built up areas in a sea of farms, forests, small towns and rural homes. We do not set areas aside for limited development (though we do have a number a designated wilderness areas where any development beyond the level of a hiking trail is prohibited), but instead limit development in any area not designated otherwise.
<br> <br>
Granted this is easier to do with only 1/12 the population spread over twice the land area, though much of said land is entirely inappropriate for urban development, or desirable only to people feeling southern California.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , this sounds like a wee bit of English haughtiness .
From the wiki for 'green belt ( UK ) ' it seems that your green belts are implemented as a donut of limited development separating a city from what , are in affect , its outlying suburbs .
Some 13 \ % of England 's land area is designated as such , which is impressive , though it seems that some wish to reduce this .
Urban growth boundaries are not greenbelts .
Instead of reserving a ring of land and pushing further development out beyond that ring , UGBs draw a line in the sand and then make any significant development outside of that line devilishly difficult .
Oregon 's metro areas ( Portland , Eugene , etc ) exist as islands of built up areas in a sea of farms , forests , small towns and rural homes .
We do not set areas aside for limited development ( though we do have a number a designated wilderness areas where any development beyond the level of a hiking trail is prohibited ) , but instead limit development in any area not designated otherwise .
Granted this is easier to do with only 1/12 the population spread over twice the land area , though much of said land is entirely inappropriate for urban development , or desirable only to people feeling southern California .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, this sounds like a wee bit of English haughtiness.
From the wiki for 'green belt (UK)' it seems that your green belts are implemented as a donut of limited development separating a city from what, are in affect, its outlying suburbs.
Some 13\% of England's land area is designated as such, which is impressive, though it seems that some wish to reduce this.
Urban growth boundaries are not greenbelts.
Instead of reserving a ring of land and pushing further development out beyond that ring, UGBs draw a line in the sand and then make any significant development outside of that line devilishly difficult.
Oregon's metro areas (Portland, Eugene, etc) exist as islands of built up areas in a sea of farms, forests, small towns and rural homes.
We do not set areas aside for limited development (though we do have a number a designated wilderness areas where any development beyond the level of a hiking trail is prohibited), but instead limit development in any area not designated otherwise.
Granted this is easier to do with only 1/12 the population spread over twice the land area, though much of said land is entirely inappropriate for urban development, or desirable only to people feeling southern California.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379169</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>clarkkent09</author>
	<datestamp>1245357900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Construction companies get hired to demolish the old buildings, which stimulates the economy</i> <br> <br>That's a common fallacy that just refuses to die. Taking money from taxpayers and passing it on to construction companies does not stimulate the economy. Its just the case of government deciding on our behalf how to spend our money. If we weren't paying for this we'd be spending it on other things, maybe things that, unlike bulldozing old buildings, actually generate wealth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Construction companies get hired to demolish the old buildings , which stimulates the economy That 's a common fallacy that just refuses to die .
Taking money from taxpayers and passing it on to construction companies does not stimulate the economy .
Its just the case of government deciding on our behalf how to spend our money .
If we were n't paying for this we 'd be spending it on other things , maybe things that , unlike bulldozing old buildings , actually generate wealth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Construction companies get hired to demolish the old buildings, which stimulates the economy  That's a common fallacy that just refuses to die.
Taking money from taxpayers and passing it on to construction companies does not stimulate the economy.
Its just the case of government deciding on our behalf how to spend our money.
If we weren't paying for this we'd be spending it on other things, maybe things that, unlike bulldozing old buildings, actually generate wealth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381737</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>YourExperiment</author>
	<datestamp>1245324120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just today I was reading about the village of Variseia in Cyprus, where <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8107166.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">exactly what you describe has occurred</a> [bbc.co.uk]. Political upheaval has meant the village has been largely free from human influence for the past 25 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just today I was reading about the village of Variseia in Cyprus , where exactly what you describe has occurred [ bbc.co.uk ] .
Political upheaval has meant the village has been largely free from human influence for the past 25 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just today I was reading about the village of Variseia in Cyprus, where exactly what you describe has occurred [bbc.co.uk].
Political upheaval has meant the village has been largely free from human influence for the past 25 years.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380189</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>LordKazan</author>
	<datestamp>1245317760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The residences they're removing are <b>VACANT</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The residences they 're removing are VACANT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The residences they're removing are VACANT</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381255</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Decay?</title>
	<author>mrdoogee</author>
	<datestamp>1245322020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If your city is large enough for 2 million, but only is occupied by 800,000 people, then your population density is probably pretty low (at least by urban standards). TFA seems to say that if we shrink these cities to a size that INCREASES the pop. density by selective demolition of abandoned areas that the mass transit, police, and other emergency services could be not only more efficient, but cost less to the taxpayer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If your city is large enough for 2 million , but only is occupied by 800,000 people , then your population density is probably pretty low ( at least by urban standards ) .
TFA seems to say that if we shrink these cities to a size that INCREASES the pop .
density by selective demolition of abandoned areas that the mass transit , police , and other emergency services could be not only more efficient , but cost less to the taxpayer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If your city is large enough for 2 million, but only is occupied by 800,000 people, then your population density is probably pretty low (at least by urban standards).
TFA seems to say that if we shrink these cities to a size that INCREASES the pop.
density by selective demolition of abandoned areas that the mass transit, police, and other emergency services could be not only more efficient, but cost less to the taxpayer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378813</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245356700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, no, not "ethnic" cleansing, "economic" cleansing.  They want to get rid of all the poor people, doesn't matter what color they are.  Maybe they can build some kind of camps to move all these people into.  Something with fences...for keeping bad people out.  And really big ovens...for baking lots of bread.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no , not " ethnic " cleansing , " economic " cleansing .
They want to get rid of all the poor people , does n't matter what color they are .
Maybe they can build some kind of camps to move all these people into .
Something with fences...for keeping bad people out .
And really big ovens...for baking lots of bread .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no, not "ethnic" cleansing, "economic" cleansing.
They want to get rid of all the poor people, doesn't matter what color they are.
Maybe they can build some kind of camps to move all these people into.
Something with fences...for keeping bad people out.
And really big ovens...for baking lots of bread.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383799</id>
	<title>Re:better idea</title>
	<author>Manchot</author>
	<datestamp>1245333600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fun fact: Escape from New York was actually filmed in East St. Louis. Apparently, post-apocalyptic New York is actually in western Illinois.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fun fact : Escape from New York was actually filmed in East St. Louis. Apparently , post-apocalyptic New York is actually in western Illinois .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fun fact: Escape from New York was actually filmed in East St. Louis. Apparently, post-apocalyptic New York is actually in western Illinois.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382245</id>
	<title>Re:good, but how much will it cost?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245326340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hyperinflation? Hyperdeflation? What world are you living in?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hyperinflation ?
Hyperdeflation ? What world are you living in ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hyperinflation?
Hyperdeflation? What world are you living in?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379799</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>jtdennis</author>
	<datestamp>1245316500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yet they list Memphis which I have never heard of being in the rust belt. I'm not as sure about the Pittsburgh area, but Memphis doesn't need to be bulldozed. It needs replacement of all the local government officials to remove the corruption that has festered there for years. That will do much more good than bulldozing parts of the city.</p><p>Ironically I lived in Memphis all my life until moving to Pittsburgh last year. I agree it is another great city. It looks like it is trying to reinvent itself through the technology and medical/research device industries, and I hope it's successful doing so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yet they list Memphis which I have never heard of being in the rust belt .
I 'm not as sure about the Pittsburgh area , but Memphis does n't need to be bulldozed .
It needs replacement of all the local government officials to remove the corruption that has festered there for years .
That will do much more good than bulldozing parts of the city.Ironically I lived in Memphis all my life until moving to Pittsburgh last year .
I agree it is another great city .
It looks like it is trying to reinvent itself through the technology and medical/research device industries , and I hope it 's successful doing so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yet they list Memphis which I have never heard of being in the rust belt.
I'm not as sure about the Pittsburgh area, but Memphis doesn't need to be bulldozed.
It needs replacement of all the local government officials to remove the corruption that has festered there for years.
That will do much more good than bulldozing parts of the city.Ironically I lived in Memphis all my life until moving to Pittsburgh last year.
I agree it is another great city.
It looks like it is trying to reinvent itself through the technology and medical/research device industries, and I hope it's successful doing so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385757</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245350640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Baltimore also has a city income tax and a sales tax in a state with its own income tax that was recently raised to get at those dastardly "rich."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Baltimore also has a city income tax and a sales tax in a state with its own income tax that was recently raised to get at those dastardly " rich .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Baltimore also has a city income tax and a sales tax in a state with its own income tax that was recently raised to get at those dastardly "rich.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380377</id>
	<title>Pittsburgh</title>
	<author>maz2331</author>
	<datestamp>1245318420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pittsburgh is very much a "sprawling suburbs" area.  The entire county (Allegheny) has a population of 1.2 million, of which under 300,000 live in the Pittsburgh city limits.</p><p>Actually, the Pittsburgh Metro region extends to pretty much cover the surrounding counties as well.</p><p>The area has weathered the recession very well, having not been affected much by the housing boom and not having finance as its main industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pittsburgh is very much a " sprawling suburbs " area .
The entire county ( Allegheny ) has a population of 1.2 million , of which under 300,000 live in the Pittsburgh city limits.Actually , the Pittsburgh Metro region extends to pretty much cover the surrounding counties as well.The area has weathered the recession very well , having not been affected much by the housing boom and not having finance as its main industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pittsburgh is very much a "sprawling suburbs" area.
The entire county (Allegheny) has a population of 1.2 million, of which under 300,000 live in the Pittsburgh city limits.Actually, the Pittsburgh Metro region extends to pretty much cover the surrounding counties as well.The area has weathered the recession very well, having not been affected much by the housing boom and not having finance as its main industry.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28389977</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245426360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Another (small) example of an abandoned city would be Centralia in Pennsylvania, which saw its last inhabitant move out recently (massive underground coal fires will do that, I guess). ( <a href="http://ifly.freeyellow.com/miscell/centralia-by-air-etc/index.htm" title="freeyellow.com" rel="nofollow">http://ifly.freeyellow.com/miscell/centralia-by-air-etc/index.htm</a> [freeyellow.com])</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another ( small ) example of an abandoned city would be Centralia in Pennsylvania , which saw its last inhabitant move out recently ( massive underground coal fires will do that , I guess ) .
( http : //ifly.freeyellow.com/miscell/centralia-by-air-etc/index.htm [ freeyellow.com ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another (small) example of an abandoned city would be Centralia in Pennsylvania, which saw its last inhabitant move out recently (massive underground coal fires will do that, I guess).
( http://ifly.freeyellow.com/miscell/centralia-by-air-etc/index.htm [freeyellow.com])</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381521</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>rcamans</author>
	<datestamp>1245323100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would we want to help the film companies produce more pablum for the masses just to enrich their pockets? Sounds crazy to me. Are you a politician or some other kind of liberal Hollywood-hugger? Somebody shot this guy before he gets elected to office!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would we want to help the film companies produce more pablum for the masses just to enrich their pockets ?
Sounds crazy to me .
Are you a politician or some other kind of liberal Hollywood-hugger ?
Somebody shot this guy before he gets elected to office !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would we want to help the film companies produce more pablum for the masses just to enrich their pockets?
Sounds crazy to me.
Are you a politician or some other kind of liberal Hollywood-hugger?
Somebody shot this guy before he gets elected to office!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379837</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245316620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not racism, it's realism.  One of the major reasons that there is still a racial divide in our country is because minority groups are statistically more likely to be poor.  Black people only got full rights a couple generations ago and many other racial groups are largely made up of 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants.</p><p>Even in the 'land of opportunity', it takes a good hundred years of honest work with full legal protections to make something of yourself (or in this case, make something of your great grandchildren).  Student loans and grants only go so far and parents tend to expect only slightly more out of their children than they accomplished themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not racism , it 's realism .
One of the major reasons that there is still a racial divide in our country is because minority groups are statistically more likely to be poor .
Black people only got full rights a couple generations ago and many other racial groups are largely made up of 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants.Even in the 'land of opportunity ' , it takes a good hundred years of honest work with full legal protections to make something of yourself ( or in this case , make something of your great grandchildren ) .
Student loans and grants only go so far and parents tend to expect only slightly more out of their children than they accomplished themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not racism, it's realism.
One of the major reasons that there is still a racial divide in our country is because minority groups are statistically more likely to be poor.
Black people only got full rights a couple generations ago and many other racial groups are largely made up of 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants.Even in the 'land of opportunity', it takes a good hundred years of honest work with full legal protections to make something of yourself (or in this case, make something of your great grandchildren).
Student loans and grants only go so far and parents tend to expect only slightly more out of their children than they accomplished themselves.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378297</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245355380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With those homicide rates, your half-life is about 1 year in Detroit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With those homicide rates , your half-life is about 1 year in Detroit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With those homicide rates, your half-life is about 1 year in Detroit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378535</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>peragrin</author>
	<datestamp>1245355980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Rochester,NY we have been doing this for years. Some 200-300 abandons homes are destroyed and then the empty lots are resold. Advantagesare less housing for homeless and drug shelters. On the bad side other than cleaning up bad buildings it doesn't help a lot, and someone still has to pay for it.</p><p>I really wish they had portable generator setup so you could do controlled burns and genrate electrcity from the heat produced.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Rochester,NY we have been doing this for years .
Some 200-300 abandons homes are destroyed and then the empty lots are resold .
Advantagesare less housing for homeless and drug shelters .
On the bad side other than cleaning up bad buildings it does n't help a lot , and someone still has to pay for it.I really wish they had portable generator setup so you could do controlled burns and genrate electrcity from the heat produced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Rochester,NY we have been doing this for years.
Some 200-300 abandons homes are destroyed and then the empty lots are resold.
Advantagesare less housing for homeless and drug shelters.
On the bad side other than cleaning up bad buildings it doesn't help a lot, and someone still has to pay for it.I really wish they had portable generator setup so you could do controlled burns and genrate electrcity from the heat produced.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28386713</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>yabastaaa</author>
	<datestamp>1245403620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Advantagesare less housing for homeless and drug shelters.</p></div><p>Does 'housing for homeless' and 'drug shelter' mean something different where you are?! Those both sound like something we need more of....</p><p>(To be clear - in the UK a drug shelter is a place people go to receive help with their problem, and housing for the homeless.... well, by definition it's what they need, no?)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Advantagesare less housing for homeless and drug shelters.Does 'housing for homeless ' and 'drug shelter ' mean something different where you are ? !
Those both sound like something we need more of.... ( To be clear - in the UK a drug shelter is a place people go to receive help with their problem , and housing for the homeless.... well , by definition it 's what they need , no ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Advantagesare less housing for homeless and drug shelters.Does 'housing for homeless' and 'drug shelter' mean something different where you are?!
Those both sound like something we need more of....(To be clear - in the UK a drug shelter is a place people go to receive help with their problem, and housing for the homeless.... well, by definition it's what they need, no?
)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381507</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245323040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh Gee!  Could you be a little more transparent?  "long live ohio" and calling for the destruction of your chief football rivals' cities within Michigan and then Pittsburgh?  How bout erasing and starting over in Cleveland (the Mistake on the Lake) with the beautiful Cuyahoga River catching fire every now and then?  Have you been to Youngstown, Canton, or Toledo?  You may as well have been to Fallujah, Kabul, or Beirut.  Apparently you haven't been to Pittsburgh since the late 70's.  It shares nothing with those hell holes across the Ohio.  After the mills left, its gone through a rennaisance.  It reinvented itself without the help of government bulldozers.  Maybe if Ohioans showed a little more motivation they could avoid the wrecking ball too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh Gee !
Could you be a little more transparent ?
" long live ohio " and calling for the destruction of your chief football rivals ' cities within Michigan and then Pittsburgh ?
How bout erasing and starting over in Cleveland ( the Mistake on the Lake ) with the beautiful Cuyahoga River catching fire every now and then ?
Have you been to Youngstown , Canton , or Toledo ?
You may as well have been to Fallujah , Kabul , or Beirut .
Apparently you have n't been to Pittsburgh since the late 70 's .
It shares nothing with those hell holes across the Ohio .
After the mills left , its gone through a rennaisance .
It reinvented itself without the help of government bulldozers .
Maybe if Ohioans showed a little more motivation they could avoid the wrecking ball too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh Gee!
Could you be a little more transparent?
"long live ohio" and calling for the destruction of your chief football rivals' cities within Michigan and then Pittsburgh?
How bout erasing and starting over in Cleveland (the Mistake on the Lake) with the beautiful Cuyahoga River catching fire every now and then?
Have you been to Youngstown, Canton, or Toledo?
You may as well have been to Fallujah, Kabul, or Beirut.
Apparently you haven't been to Pittsburgh since the late 70's.
It shares nothing with those hell holes across the Ohio.
After the mills left, its gone through a rennaisance.
It reinvented itself without the help of government bulldozers.
Maybe if Ohioans showed a little more motivation they could avoid the wrecking ball too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383439</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245331560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Concentration camps. The Germans have had over 50 years to make technological improvements on their earlier designs. We all go out and play cowboys and niggers, cowboys and spics, and my favorite cowboys and gooks. Reinstate slavery, make the sub-humans actually work. Put a bounty on their heads, think of the tax money we could raise on the bounty checks. Round them up and send them to africa or mexico, where they came from. Herd them together and sell them to chinese restaurants for consumption in china. Use them to feed the animals in the zoos. Medical research, as in trying to make cyborgs, and other nifty transplant attempts. Kill them all and use them to fertilize our fields and crops. Start a real life gladiator program on TV. Niggers versus Gooks, West Side Crips versus East Side Bloods, jeez, the TV companies would rake in millions from ads.Send them to the middle east. Promise them that whoever comes back with Osama bin laden will get a billion dollars and any house featured on MTV's Cribs. Fuck, you must be a retard, as that list took less than three minutes to think up and post.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Concentration camps .
The Germans have had over 50 years to make technological improvements on their earlier designs .
We all go out and play cowboys and niggers , cowboys and spics , and my favorite cowboys and gooks .
Reinstate slavery , make the sub-humans actually work .
Put a bounty on their heads , think of the tax money we could raise on the bounty checks .
Round them up and send them to africa or mexico , where they came from .
Herd them together and sell them to chinese restaurants for consumption in china .
Use them to feed the animals in the zoos .
Medical research , as in trying to make cyborgs , and other nifty transplant attempts .
Kill them all and use them to fertilize our fields and crops .
Start a real life gladiator program on TV .
Niggers versus Gooks , West Side Crips versus East Side Bloods , jeez , the TV companies would rake in millions from ads.Send them to the middle east .
Promise them that whoever comes back with Osama bin laden will get a billion dollars and any house featured on MTV 's Cribs .
Fuck , you must be a retard , as that list took less than three minutes to think up and post .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Concentration camps.
The Germans have had over 50 years to make technological improvements on their earlier designs.
We all go out and play cowboys and niggers, cowboys and spics, and my favorite cowboys and gooks.
Reinstate slavery, make the sub-humans actually work.
Put a bounty on their heads, think of the tax money we could raise on the bounty checks.
Round them up and send them to africa or mexico, where they came from.
Herd them together and sell them to chinese restaurants for consumption in china.
Use them to feed the animals in the zoos.
Medical research, as in trying to make cyborgs, and other nifty transplant attempts.
Kill them all and use them to fertilize our fields and crops.
Start a real life gladiator program on TV.
Niggers versus Gooks, West Side Crips versus East Side Bloods, jeez, the TV companies would rake in millions from ads.Send them to the middle east.
Promise them that whoever comes back with Osama bin laden will get a billion dollars and any house featured on MTV's Cribs.
Fuck, you must be a retard, as that list took less than three minutes to think up and post.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379271</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>wjousts</author>
	<datestamp>1245358200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>FTFA:</p><p>notice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing: pittsburgh. yet pittsburgh is pretty much a poster child of a rust belt city. why? good planning for investing in future job sectors:</p><p> <a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s\_612352.html" title="pittsburghlive.com">http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s\_612352.html</a> [pittsburghlive.com] </p></div><p>Actually, RTFA again, Pittsburgh is mentioned, which is a shame. I used to live in Pittsburgh and have fond memories of it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Most are former industrial cities in the "rust belt" of America's Mid-West and North East. They include Detroit, Philadelphia, <b>Pittsburgh</b>, Baltimore and Memphis.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTFA : notice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing : pittsburgh .
yet pittsburgh is pretty much a poster child of a rust belt city .
why ? good planning for investing in future job sectors : http : //www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s \ _612352.html [ pittsburghlive.com ] Actually , RTFA again , Pittsburgh is mentioned , which is a shame .
I used to live in Pittsburgh and have fond memories of it.Most are former industrial cities in the " rust belt " of America 's Mid-West and North East .
They include Detroit , Philadelphia , Pittsburgh , Baltimore and Memphis .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA:notice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing: pittsburgh.
yet pittsburgh is pretty much a poster child of a rust belt city.
why? good planning for investing in future job sectors: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s\_612352.html [pittsburghlive.com] Actually, RTFA again, Pittsburgh is mentioned, which is a shame.
I used to live in Pittsburgh and have fond memories of it.Most are former industrial cities in the "rust belt" of America's Mid-West and North East.
They include Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Memphis.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381513</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>Ironica</author>
	<datestamp>1245323100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We're not talking about iPods, we're talking about Apple IIe's.  These are houses no one wants to buy, no one can sell, and no one will live in.  They are a drain on the economy.  When they were built, they had a purpose.  Their purpose now outlived, it's time to let them go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 're not talking about iPods , we 're talking about Apple IIe 's .
These are houses no one wants to buy , no one can sell , and no one will live in .
They are a drain on the economy .
When they were built , they had a purpose .
Their purpose now outlived , it 's time to let them go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We're not talking about iPods, we're talking about Apple IIe's.
These are houses no one wants to buy, no one can sell, and no one will live in.
They are a drain on the economy.
When they were built, they had a purpose.
Their purpose now outlived, it's time to let them go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384793</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1245340500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once the people who moved out to the suburbs start moving back into the city, it will become a nice place to live again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once the people who moved out to the suburbs start moving back into the city , it will become a nice place to live again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once the people who moved out to the suburbs start moving back into the city, it will become a nice place to live again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379723</id>
	<title>It's like SimCity come true</title>
	<author>wandazulu</author>
	<datestamp>1245316320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember furiously bulldozing whole sections of the city in the hopes to re-arrange stuff to boost tax revenues, cut down on pollution, or even just disperse everything as a last-ditch attempt at boosting tax revenues. Sadly, it never worked, I would always get into a downward spiral of plummeting commercial/residential, which caused me to raise taxes and cut services, causing more flight, etc.</p><p>The big lesson I learned (other than the general "wow, managing a city is hard!") was that bulldozing more than a couple of tiles was a recipe for disaster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember furiously bulldozing whole sections of the city in the hopes to re-arrange stuff to boost tax revenues , cut down on pollution , or even just disperse everything as a last-ditch attempt at boosting tax revenues .
Sadly , it never worked , I would always get into a downward spiral of plummeting commercial/residential , which caused me to raise taxes and cut services , causing more flight , etc.The big lesson I learned ( other than the general " wow , managing a city is hard !
" ) was that bulldozing more than a couple of tiles was a recipe for disaster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember furiously bulldozing whole sections of the city in the hopes to re-arrange stuff to boost tax revenues, cut down on pollution, or even just disperse everything as a last-ditch attempt at boosting tax revenues.
Sadly, it never worked, I would always get into a downward spiral of plummeting commercial/residential, which caused me to raise taxes and cut services, causing more flight, etc.The big lesson I learned (other than the general "wow, managing a city is hard!
") was that bulldozing more than a couple of tiles was a recipe for disaster.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378305</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245355380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some of the houses are abandoned.  For those which are (legally) occupied, the city offers to move the occupants to nicer housing elsewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of the houses are abandoned .
For those which are ( legally ) occupied , the city offers to move the occupants to nicer housing elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of the houses are abandoned.
For those which are (legally) occupied, the city offers to move the occupants to nicer housing elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378765</id>
	<title>Sounds Like A Bad Idea to Me</title>
	<author>SteveHeadroom</author>
	<datestamp>1245356640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't like this idea. Sure, abandoned structurally unsafe buildings should be torn down. Tearing down empty big box stores might not be a bad idea either, but tearing down usable homes and entire neighborhoods seems like very short-term thinking to me.</p><p>I've noticed that often poorer neighborhoods have some very nice old homes. We shouldn't be tearing them down, we should be restoring them. There's lots of historic architecture out there that helps give cities their character, and already too many beautiful buildings have been torn down to build CVSs and parking lots.</p><p>What happens when the economy does rebound and the demand for housing rises? The remaining housing will be costlier and developers will just go ahead and replace the demolished neighborhoods with expensive "luxury" apartments, condos and McMansions that people will need to take out expensive mortgages to afford. It will be the housing/mortgage bubble all over again.</p><p>We should be encouraging more people to move to cities. They're more environmentally sustainable then suburbs. If there's a glut of empty homes, we should be making home ownership easier and affordable, not tear them down.</p><p>Tearing down blocks of buildings to return them to nature might make city government accountants and narrow minded environmentalists happy, but it's really a wasted opportunity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't like this idea .
Sure , abandoned structurally unsafe buildings should be torn down .
Tearing down empty big box stores might not be a bad idea either , but tearing down usable homes and entire neighborhoods seems like very short-term thinking to me.I 've noticed that often poorer neighborhoods have some very nice old homes .
We should n't be tearing them down , we should be restoring them .
There 's lots of historic architecture out there that helps give cities their character , and already too many beautiful buildings have been torn down to build CVSs and parking lots.What happens when the economy does rebound and the demand for housing rises ?
The remaining housing will be costlier and developers will just go ahead and replace the demolished neighborhoods with expensive " luxury " apartments , condos and McMansions that people will need to take out expensive mortgages to afford .
It will be the housing/mortgage bubble all over again.We should be encouraging more people to move to cities .
They 're more environmentally sustainable then suburbs .
If there 's a glut of empty homes , we should be making home ownership easier and affordable , not tear them down.Tearing down blocks of buildings to return them to nature might make city government accountants and narrow minded environmentalists happy , but it 's really a wasted opportunity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't like this idea.
Sure, abandoned structurally unsafe buildings should be torn down.
Tearing down empty big box stores might not be a bad idea either, but tearing down usable homes and entire neighborhoods seems like very short-term thinking to me.I've noticed that often poorer neighborhoods have some very nice old homes.
We shouldn't be tearing them down, we should be restoring them.
There's lots of historic architecture out there that helps give cities their character, and already too many beautiful buildings have been torn down to build CVSs and parking lots.What happens when the economy does rebound and the demand for housing rises?
The remaining housing will be costlier and developers will just go ahead and replace the demolished neighborhoods with expensive "luxury" apartments, condos and McMansions that people will need to take out expensive mortgages to afford.
It will be the housing/mortgage bubble all over again.We should be encouraging more people to move to cities.
They're more environmentally sustainable then suburbs.
If there's a glut of empty homes, we should be making home ownership easier and affordable, not tear them down.Tearing down blocks of buildings to return them to nature might make city government accountants and narrow minded environmentalists happy, but it's really a wasted opportunity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383325</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1245330960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are <a href="http://googlesightseeing.com/2007/04/16/hashima-abandoned-island/" title="googlesightseeing.com">a few places</a> [googlesightseeing.com] we can look at...</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a few places [ googlesightseeing.com ] we can look at.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a few places [googlesightseeing.com] we can look at...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378959</id>
	<title>Is this a land grab?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245357180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It sounds like an opportunity to buy large blocks of land cheap then resell it to developers in 10 or 20 years and make a bundle.  Sure, it will be a bust in some areas but if you do it in 50 cities enough will be profitable to make it worthwhile.</p><p>Nevermind the fact that you are disrupting people's lives.</p><p>If you are going to do this, do it in areas that are uninhabitable and which would cost too much to rehabilitate, such as some of the areas destroyed by Katrina.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It sounds like an opportunity to buy large blocks of land cheap then resell it to developers in 10 or 20 years and make a bundle .
Sure , it will be a bust in some areas but if you do it in 50 cities enough will be profitable to make it worthwhile.Nevermind the fact that you are disrupting people 's lives.If you are going to do this , do it in areas that are uninhabitable and which would cost too much to rehabilitate , such as some of the areas destroyed by Katrina .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It sounds like an opportunity to buy large blocks of land cheap then resell it to developers in 10 or 20 years and make a bundle.
Sure, it will be a bust in some areas but if you do it in 50 cities enough will be profitable to make it worthwhile.Nevermind the fact that you are disrupting people's lives.If you are going to do this, do it in areas that are uninhabitable and which would cost too much to rehabilitate, such as some of the areas destroyed by Katrina.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378469</id>
	<title>Ghost Towns</title>
	<author>qbzzt</author>
	<datestamp>1245355860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a modern version, maybe with slightly better planning, of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_ghost\_towns\_in\_the\_United\_States" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_ghost\_towns\_in\_the\_United\_States</a> [wikipedia.org] .</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a modern version , maybe with slightly better planning , of http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List \ _of \ _ghost \ _towns \ _in \ _the \ _United \ _States [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a modern version, maybe with slightly better planning, of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_ghost\_towns\_in\_the\_United\_States [wikipedia.org] .</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378339</id>
	<title>Send in NASA rockets, looking for water there ...</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1245355500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> . . . that should do the trick real quick.  And we could finally have an answer to that baffling scientific question, is there water in Camden, New Jersey?
</p><p>If there is, you can bet that it belongs to some other city.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
that should do the trick real quick .
And we could finally have an answer to that baffling scientific question , is there water in Camden , New Jersey ?
If there is , you can bet that it belongs to some other city .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> .
. .
that should do the trick real quick.
And we could finally have an answer to that baffling scientific question, is there water in Camden, New Jersey?
If there is, you can bet that it belongs to some other city.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378917</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245357060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's a complete waste of effort.  The economy grows because we produce things, not because we dig holes and fill them up.</p></div><p>

You totally miss the point.  If a city built things (streets, sewer lines, power infrastructure, etc) to support 100,000 people... all that stuff requires money and time and effort to fix and maintain.  Now that they only have 50,000 people, they are wasting effort maintaining it or they are not maintaining it at all and it is decaying in an inhospitable way.  By tearing it down, they don't have to worry about maintaining it or the danger it could pose from decay.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a complete waste of effort .
The economy grows because we produce things , not because we dig holes and fill them up .
You totally miss the point .
If a city built things ( streets , sewer lines , power infrastructure , etc ) to support 100,000 people... all that stuff requires money and time and effort to fix and maintain .
Now that they only have 50,000 people , they are wasting effort maintaining it or they are not maintaining it at all and it is decaying in an inhospitable way .
By tearing it down , they do n't have to worry about maintaining it or the danger it could pose from decay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a complete waste of effort.
The economy grows because we produce things, not because we dig holes and fill them up.
You totally miss the point.
If a city built things (streets, sewer lines, power infrastructure, etc) to support 100,000 people... all that stuff requires money and time and effort to fix and maintain.
Now that they only have 50,000 people, they are wasting effort maintaining it or they are not maintaining it at all and it is decaying in an inhospitable way.
By tearing it down, they don't have to worry about maintaining it or the danger it could pose from decay.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382035</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>mmaniaci</author>
	<datestamp>1245325380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, stop! You're thinking laterally. This is the government, and they can only see the next rung on the ladder to failure. Perhaps a new dimension of governmental thinking will rip a hole in the fabric of space-time, rendering our world without leaders! Oh, God save us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , stop !
You 're thinking laterally .
This is the government , and they can only see the next rung on the ladder to failure .
Perhaps a new dimension of governmental thinking will rip a hole in the fabric of space-time , rendering our world without leaders !
Oh , God save us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, stop!
You're thinking laterally.
This is the government, and they can only see the next rung on the ladder to failure.
Perhaps a new dimension of governmental thinking will rip a hole in the fabric of space-time, rendering our world without leaders!
Oh, God save us.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28430037</id>
	<title>Re:better idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245669240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We wall these areas off and turn them into Escape from New York style maximum security prisons.  As long as we don't fly Air Force One over that airspace we should be OK.  Kurt Russell is getting a bit too old to keep helping us out with that sort of thing.</p></div><p>That actually made me laugh out loud...<br>Snake Plissken might have one more run in him!!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We wall these areas off and turn them into Escape from New York style maximum security prisons .
As long as we do n't fly Air Force One over that airspace we should be OK. Kurt Russell is getting a bit too old to keep helping us out with that sort of thing.That actually made me laugh out loud...Snake Plissken might have one more run in him !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We wall these areas off and turn them into Escape from New York style maximum security prisons.
As long as we don't fly Air Force One over that airspace we should be OK.  Kurt Russell is getting a bit too old to keep helping us out with that sort of thing.That actually made me laugh out loud...Snake Plissken might have one more run in him!
!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378593</id>
	<title>good, but how much will it cost?</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1245356160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is not a bad idea, but will this be considered 'taking' and therefore require that we, the taxpayers, buy the land from the legal owners.  I have read that in some cases not even the banks want the place, and have abandoned it along with the owners.  Given that we have already given money to banks to cover the losses, I would hope we would not cover the losses again.  In addition, given that we have paid for these homes with tax money, we would not waste the asset.
<p>
The issue to me is that hyperinflation that occurred during the early and mid 200's, and the hyperdeflation we are now living with.  During the inflatory period, everyone was taking fictional money out of their fictional property values to buy real goods.  Banks made money, people got stuff, everyone was happy.  The problem now is that, like it was with credit cards, people owe more than they possible can pay, and so the best thing to do is to walk away from the house.  All this is covered by taxpayers.  We can complain, but nothing can be done.
</p><p>
I think we just need to admit we have lived through 8 years of insanity, a national coke addiction, get over it, and move on.  We don't need to pass blame, or punish people, just solve problems.  If population is declining, and there are no jobs, and no people to live in the homes, then let's raze the land and return it to natural habitat.  Hell, I say with a significant portion of a development is empty, pay the people to move, and raze the whole thing.
</p><p>
But we do have families without homes.  Families who were priced out of home given the greed of the home investors at the expense of the home owners.  It seems that since we have already bailed out the banks and the taxpayers have already in effect covered those mortgages, it seems that the FHA could help families move into the foreclosed homes.  Right now the FHA does not want to deal with the average foreclosed home.  Right now the FHA thinks that homeless is better than a imperfect home.  That a leaky roof is worse than no roof at all.  So it seems to me that there is a lot of housing available, and a lot of demand for cheap housing.  When I say this the first time, and I saw the brookings institute, I saw it as a plot to maintain unsustainable property values rather than an way to help the country move forward.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not a bad idea , but will this be considered 'taking ' and therefore require that we , the taxpayers , buy the land from the legal owners .
I have read that in some cases not even the banks want the place , and have abandoned it along with the owners .
Given that we have already given money to banks to cover the losses , I would hope we would not cover the losses again .
In addition , given that we have paid for these homes with tax money , we would not waste the asset .
The issue to me is that hyperinflation that occurred during the early and mid 200 's , and the hyperdeflation we are now living with .
During the inflatory period , everyone was taking fictional money out of their fictional property values to buy real goods .
Banks made money , people got stuff , everyone was happy .
The problem now is that , like it was with credit cards , people owe more than they possible can pay , and so the best thing to do is to walk away from the house .
All this is covered by taxpayers .
We can complain , but nothing can be done .
I think we just need to admit we have lived through 8 years of insanity , a national coke addiction , get over it , and move on .
We do n't need to pass blame , or punish people , just solve problems .
If population is declining , and there are no jobs , and no people to live in the homes , then let 's raze the land and return it to natural habitat .
Hell , I say with a significant portion of a development is empty , pay the people to move , and raze the whole thing .
But we do have families without homes .
Families who were priced out of home given the greed of the home investors at the expense of the home owners .
It seems that since we have already bailed out the banks and the taxpayers have already in effect covered those mortgages , it seems that the FHA could help families move into the foreclosed homes .
Right now the FHA does not want to deal with the average foreclosed home .
Right now the FHA thinks that homeless is better than a imperfect home .
That a leaky roof is worse than no roof at all .
So it seems to me that there is a lot of housing available , and a lot of demand for cheap housing .
When I say this the first time , and I saw the brookings institute , I saw it as a plot to maintain unsustainable property values rather than an way to help the country move forward .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not a bad idea, but will this be considered 'taking' and therefore require that we, the taxpayers, buy the land from the legal owners.
I have read that in some cases not even the banks want the place, and have abandoned it along with the owners.
Given that we have already given money to banks to cover the losses, I would hope we would not cover the losses again.
In addition, given that we have paid for these homes with tax money, we would not waste the asset.
The issue to me is that hyperinflation that occurred during the early and mid 200's, and the hyperdeflation we are now living with.
During the inflatory period, everyone was taking fictional money out of their fictional property values to buy real goods.
Banks made money, people got stuff, everyone was happy.
The problem now is that, like it was with credit cards, people owe more than they possible can pay, and so the best thing to do is to walk away from the house.
All this is covered by taxpayers.
We can complain, but nothing can be done.
I think we just need to admit we have lived through 8 years of insanity, a national coke addiction, get over it, and move on.
We don't need to pass blame, or punish people, just solve problems.
If population is declining, and there are no jobs, and no people to live in the homes, then let's raze the land and return it to natural habitat.
Hell, I say with a significant portion of a development is empty, pay the people to move, and raze the whole thing.
But we do have families without homes.
Families who were priced out of home given the greed of the home investors at the expense of the home owners.
It seems that since we have already bailed out the banks and the taxpayers have already in effect covered those mortgages, it seems that the FHA could help families move into the foreclosed homes.
Right now the FHA does not want to deal with the average foreclosed home.
Right now the FHA thinks that homeless is better than a imperfect home.
That a leaky roof is worse than no roof at all.
So it seems to me that there is a lot of housing available, and a lot of demand for cheap housing.
When I say this the first time, and I saw the brookings institute, I saw it as a plot to maintain unsustainable property values rather than an way to help the country move forward.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379193</id>
	<title>Re:Really a Shame</title>
	<author>wjousts</author>
	<datestamp>1245357960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My hometown in Minnesota shrinks all the time.</p></div><p>It's probably the cold that does that. Try giving it a vigorous rub and maybe blowing on it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My hometown in Minnesota shrinks all the time.It 's probably the cold that does that .
Try giving it a vigorous rub and maybe blowing on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My hometown in Minnesota shrinks all the time.It's probably the cold that does that.
Try giving it a vigorous rub and maybe blowing on it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378307</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379561</id>
	<title>Re:Make some money as well</title>
	<author>tnk1</author>
	<datestamp>1245315780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You wouldn't get any business.  The Israelis have already demonstrated mastery in demolition of low cost housing in depressed areas.  In fact, they should compete for the demolition contract.  With their Apache attack helicopters and Merkava tanks, they'd probably have reduced the less savory areas of Detroit to rubble before you can say "Gaza Strip".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You would n't get any business .
The Israelis have already demonstrated mastery in demolition of low cost housing in depressed areas .
In fact , they should compete for the demolition contract .
With their Apache attack helicopters and Merkava tanks , they 'd probably have reduced the less savory areas of Detroit to rubble before you can say " Gaza Strip " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You wouldn't get any business.
The Israelis have already demonstrated mastery in demolition of low cost housing in depressed areas.
In fact, they should compete for the demolition contract.
With their Apache attack helicopters and Merkava tanks, they'd probably have reduced the less savory areas of Detroit to rubble before you can say "Gaza Strip".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378249</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28391347</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245432240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You'd like Vancouver too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 'd like Vancouver too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You'd like Vancouver too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379225</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380201</id>
	<title>Re:Really a Shame</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1245317820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Immigrants can create jobs for themselves.  They buy stuff, eat food, live in houses, require health care etc.  That is all employment opportunities for someone, possibly the immigrants themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Immigrants can create jobs for themselves .
They buy stuff , eat food , live in houses , require health care etc .
That is all employment opportunities for someone , possibly the immigrants themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Immigrants can create jobs for themselves.
They buy stuff, eat food, live in houses, require health care etc.
That is all employment opportunities for someone, possibly the immigrants themselves.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378807</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378485</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>grub</author>
	<datestamp>1245355860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>47.5\%? Wowzers... in just a few years you can take the sole survivor, charge him (her) with mass-murder and execute.</htmltext>
<tokenext>47.5 \ % ?
Wowzers... in just a few years you can take the sole survivor , charge him ( her ) with mass-murder and execute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>47.5\%?
Wowzers... in just a few years you can take the sole survivor, charge him (her) with mass-murder and execute.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378103</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379657</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245316140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wrong...ethnic cleansing is when a particular group of people are persecuted.  In this case, it's the land.  The people just happen to live there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wrong...ethnic cleansing is when a particular group of people are persecuted .
In this case , it 's the land .
The people just happen to live there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wrong...ethnic cleansing is when a particular group of people are persecuted.
In this case, it's the land.
The people just happen to live there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378103</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378213</id>
	<title>Pollution?</title>
	<author>pugdk</author>
	<datestamp>1245355140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think someone seriously underestimated the hazardous nature of building materials. R</p><p>azing a building containing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos" title="wikipedia.org">asbestos</a> [wikipedia.org] or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonium\_bromide" title="wikipedia.org">Ammonium bromide</a> [wikipedia.org] which a lot of older buildings contain (fireproofing) and just leaving it there is quite stupid!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think someone seriously underestimated the hazardous nature of building materials .
Razing a building containing asbestos [ wikipedia.org ] or Ammonium bromide [ wikipedia.org ] which a lot of older buildings contain ( fireproofing ) and just leaving it there is quite stupid !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think someone seriously underestimated the hazardous nature of building materials.
Razing a building containing asbestos [wikipedia.org] or Ammonium bromide [wikipedia.org] which a lot of older buildings contain (fireproofing) and just leaving it there is quite stupid!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378355</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1245355560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You needn't worry, citizen. OCP has assured the public that a relocation plan is already in place for all residents displaced by Delta City.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You need n't worry , citizen .
OCP has assured the public that a relocation plan is already in place for all residents displaced by Delta City .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You needn't worry, citizen.
OCP has assured the public that a relocation plan is already in place for all residents displaced by Delta City.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378103</id>
	<title>Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>RagingFuryBlack</author>
	<datestamp>1245354900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So lets see here.  They'd like to raze parts of Detroit (Homicide rate of 47.5\% <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime\_in\_Detroit/" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime\_in\_Detroit/</a> [wikipedia.org])and Philadelphia(Homicide rate of 27.7\% <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime\_in\_Philadelphia/" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime\_in\_Philadelphia/</a> [wikipedia.org]).  Both of which also have large ghetto type areas which house hundreds of people who I'm sure that most of us here wouldn't want living in our backyards.
<br>
<br>
My question...Where are we moving all of these people if we're (According to TFA) "returning the land we raze to nature"?  Won't this boost the crime rate and lower the property values of people who live in the smaller, surrounding suburbs?
<br>
<br>
How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.  It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So lets see here .
They 'd like to raze parts of Detroit ( Homicide rate of 47.5 \ % http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime \ _in \ _Detroit/ [ wikipedia.org ] ) and Philadelphia ( Homicide rate of 27.7 \ % http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime \ _in \ _Philadelphia/ [ wikipedia.org ] ) .
Both of which also have large ghetto type areas which house hundreds of people who I 'm sure that most of us here would n't want living in our backyards .
My question...Where are we moving all of these people if we 're ( According to TFA ) " returning the land we raze to nature " ?
Wo n't this boost the crime rate and lower the property values of people who live in the smaller , surrounding suburbs ?
How this is n't considered " ethnically cleansing " cities is beyond me .
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So lets see here.
They'd like to raze parts of Detroit (Homicide rate of 47.5\% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime\_in\_Detroit/ [wikipedia.org])and Philadelphia(Homicide rate of 27.7\% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime\_in\_Philadelphia/ [wikipedia.org]).
Both of which also have large ghetto type areas which house hundreds of people who I'm sure that most of us here wouldn't want living in our backyards.
My question...Where are we moving all of these people if we're (According to TFA) "returning the land we raze to nature"?
Won't this boost the crime rate and lower the property values of people who live in the smaller, surrounding suburbs?
How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384211</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>twostix</author>
	<datestamp>1245336120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think he was being specific to the US.</p><p>"Oh, by the way: Portland (and Oregon at-large) pretty much pioneered the urban planning and growth boundary system *IN THE US* that you are cheerleading with your car-hate and enviro-spew in the 1970s."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think he was being specific to the US .
" Oh , by the way : Portland ( and Oregon at-large ) pretty much pioneered the urban planning and growth boundary system * IN THE US * that you are cheerleading with your car-hate and enviro-spew in the 1970s .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think he was being specific to the US.
"Oh, by the way: Portland (and Oregon at-large) pretty much pioneered the urban planning and growth boundary system *IN THE US* that you are cheerleading with your car-hate and enviro-spew in the 1970s.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378673</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>RollingThunder</author>
	<datestamp>1245356400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They encourage them to move closer in, in the same city.  They're not routing people, just moving them around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They encourage them to move closer in , in the same city .
They 're not routing people , just moving them around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They encourage them to move closer in, in the same city.
They're not routing people, just moving them around.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378103</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28388651</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245420900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How fat are you that you cannot do 10 miles on a bike in 30 minutes ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How fat are you that you can not do 10 miles on a bike in 30 minutes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How fat are you that you cannot do 10 miles on a bike in 30 minutes ?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379021</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379781</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1245316500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The number of homicides has been falling, pretty much for that reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The number of homicides has been falling , pretty much for that reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The number of homicides has been falling, pretty much for that reason.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28400495</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245495900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And around a century before London did it, it was done when the Australian city of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Adelaide</a> [wikipedia.org] was designed in 1836 by Colonel William Light to be surrounded by extensive <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide\_Parklands" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">parklands</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And around a century before London did it , it was done when the Australian city of Adelaide [ wikipedia.org ] was designed in 1836 by Colonel William Light to be surrounded by extensive parklands [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And around a century before London did it, it was done when the Australian city of Adelaide [wikipedia.org] was designed in 1836 by Colonel William Light to be surrounded by extensive parklands [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380153</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28391387</id>
	<title>Re:concentration camps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245432420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It may not HAVE to be evil just because the gov't does it, but eventually it WILL be, because the gov't is doing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It may not HAVE to be evil just because the gov't does it , but eventually it WILL be , because the gov't is doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It may not HAVE to be evil just because the gov't does it, but eventually it WILL be, because the gov't is doing it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381543</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381541</id>
	<title>Re:good, but how much will it cost?</title>
	<author>flanksteak</author>
	<datestamp>1245323160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Flint's recovery efforts have been helped by a new state law passed a few years ago which allowed local governments to buy up empty properties very cheaply.</p></div><p>It doesn't say how little it costs, but <a href="http://www.mlive.com/news/saginaw/index.ssf/2008/09/abandoned\_saginaw\_home\_sells\_f.html" title="mlive.com">it may not be much more than this</a> [mlive.com]. I would think it means it's cheaper for them to buy the homes and raze them than it is to continue with upkeep on roads and utilities where nobody lives. </p><p>Besides, if you completely walk away and don't even pay your property tax, the city/county can seize the land and auction it off. Or in this case, maybe hold it to sell later on when and if the region recovers. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : Flint 's recovery efforts have been helped by a new state law passed a few years ago which allowed local governments to buy up empty properties very cheaply.It does n't say how little it costs , but it may not be much more than this [ mlive.com ] .
I would think it means it 's cheaper for them to buy the homes and raze them than it is to continue with upkeep on roads and utilities where nobody lives .
Besides , if you completely walk away and do n't even pay your property tax , the city/county can seize the land and auction it off .
Or in this case , maybe hold it to sell later on when and if the region recovers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:Flint's recovery efforts have been helped by a new state law passed a few years ago which allowed local governments to buy up empty properties very cheaply.It doesn't say how little it costs, but it may not be much more than this [mlive.com].
I would think it means it's cheaper for them to buy the homes and raze them than it is to continue with upkeep on roads and utilities where nobody lives.
Besides, if you completely walk away and don't even pay your property tax, the city/county can seize the land and auction it off.
Or in this case, maybe hold it to sell later on when and if the region recovers. 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378593</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378631</id>
	<title>We must destroy the city to save it</title>
	<author>amliebsch</author>
	<datestamp>1245356280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is understandably a touchy subject for a lot of people.  It's hard to overstate the sense of loss; more than that, the sense of historical obliteration.  Neighborhoods where once happy, prosperous people lived productive lives are vacant, and one cannot help but feel that those happy, prosperous people are gone, perhaps never to return, and those empty houses stand like tombstones marking the death of their dreams.</p><p>Of course, this is thankfully not really true - those happy and productive people simply moved to other places, where they continue to live out their happy, productive lives.  We feel bad about razing these homes because we feel like we are razing the lives of the people that used to occupy them.  But those people left those homes behind long ago.  They've moved on - so should the rest of us.</p><p>We feel sick about obliterating what should be valuable assets.  This is a hard problem too. laborers built these structures, many of them good strong structures, some of them the likes of which will not be seen again.  With care, they should be able to last centuries.  But a society too obsessed with preserving the past - particularly a past that is not valued - is a moribund society.  We should not carelessly annihilate our history. But at the same time we need to remember who we, historically, are:</p><p>We are a dynamic society.  We are a dynamic people.  The only constant is change.  These cities shrank while other cities grew.  It is in many ways a reflection on the freedom of our society, that people and businesses decided to leave and go elsewhere.  Other places gained while these places lost.  Now it's time for the principle of creative destruction to come into play.  It's time to give up on what people have freely decided they don't value.  It's time to re-allocate resources from failure to profit.  It's time to clear the landscape of the ruins of yesterday, to make room for the possibilities of the future.</p><p>The ideas in this article are on the right track.  We can't get sentimental about a past that is gone, never to return.  Raze the unowned buildings, now sheltering criminals and vagrants.  Hell, de-annex the empty land and return it to the township.  Sell whatever mobile capital goods are underutilized. Wipe the ordinance book clean and start over again.  Put every budget item and every tax on the chopping block.  Clear the path for future opportunity, or it will never arrive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is understandably a touchy subject for a lot of people .
It 's hard to overstate the sense of loss ; more than that , the sense of historical obliteration .
Neighborhoods where once happy , prosperous people lived productive lives are vacant , and one can not help but feel that those happy , prosperous people are gone , perhaps never to return , and those empty houses stand like tombstones marking the death of their dreams.Of course , this is thankfully not really true - those happy and productive people simply moved to other places , where they continue to live out their happy , productive lives .
We feel bad about razing these homes because we feel like we are razing the lives of the people that used to occupy them .
But those people left those homes behind long ago .
They 've moved on - so should the rest of us.We feel sick about obliterating what should be valuable assets .
This is a hard problem too .
laborers built these structures , many of them good strong structures , some of them the likes of which will not be seen again .
With care , they should be able to last centuries .
But a society too obsessed with preserving the past - particularly a past that is not valued - is a moribund society .
We should not carelessly annihilate our history .
But at the same time we need to remember who we , historically , are : We are a dynamic society .
We are a dynamic people .
The only constant is change .
These cities shrank while other cities grew .
It is in many ways a reflection on the freedom of our society , that people and businesses decided to leave and go elsewhere .
Other places gained while these places lost .
Now it 's time for the principle of creative destruction to come into play .
It 's time to give up on what people have freely decided they do n't value .
It 's time to re-allocate resources from failure to profit .
It 's time to clear the landscape of the ruins of yesterday , to make room for the possibilities of the future.The ideas in this article are on the right track .
We ca n't get sentimental about a past that is gone , never to return .
Raze the unowned buildings , now sheltering criminals and vagrants .
Hell , de-annex the empty land and return it to the township .
Sell whatever mobile capital goods are underutilized .
Wipe the ordinance book clean and start over again .
Put every budget item and every tax on the chopping block .
Clear the path for future opportunity , or it will never arrive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is understandably a touchy subject for a lot of people.
It's hard to overstate the sense of loss; more than that, the sense of historical obliteration.
Neighborhoods where once happy, prosperous people lived productive lives are vacant, and one cannot help but feel that those happy, prosperous people are gone, perhaps never to return, and those empty houses stand like tombstones marking the death of their dreams.Of course, this is thankfully not really true - those happy and productive people simply moved to other places, where they continue to live out their happy, productive lives.
We feel bad about razing these homes because we feel like we are razing the lives of the people that used to occupy them.
But those people left those homes behind long ago.
They've moved on - so should the rest of us.We feel sick about obliterating what should be valuable assets.
This is a hard problem too.
laborers built these structures, many of them good strong structures, some of them the likes of which will not be seen again.
With care, they should be able to last centuries.
But a society too obsessed with preserving the past - particularly a past that is not valued - is a moribund society.
We should not carelessly annihilate our history.
But at the same time we need to remember who we, historically, are:We are a dynamic society.
We are a dynamic people.
The only constant is change.
These cities shrank while other cities grew.
It is in many ways a reflection on the freedom of our society, that people and businesses decided to leave and go elsewhere.
Other places gained while these places lost.
Now it's time for the principle of creative destruction to come into play.
It's time to give up on what people have freely decided they don't value.
It's time to re-allocate resources from failure to profit.
It's time to clear the landscape of the ruins of yesterday, to make room for the possibilities of the future.The ideas in this article are on the right track.
We can't get sentimental about a past that is gone, never to return.
Raze the unowned buildings, now sheltering criminals and vagrants.
Hell, de-annex the empty land and return it to the township.
Sell whatever mobile capital goods are underutilized.
Wipe the ordinance book clean and start over again.
Put every budget item and every tax on the chopping block.
Clear the path for future opportunity, or it will never arrive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28392157</id>
	<title>Re:Make some money as well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245435780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sell it to Israeli people.
Take 'em home and move to free spaces in the US and leave the desert in the eastern Mediterranean to the arabs.

Two problems solved</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sell it to Israeli people .
Take 'em home and move to free spaces in the US and leave the desert in the eastern Mediterranean to the arabs .
Two problems solved</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sell it to Israeli people.
Take 'em home and move to free spaces in the US and leave the desert in the eastern Mediterranean to the arabs.
Two problems solved</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378003</id>
	<title>Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245354600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The article mentions Baltimore, which makes sense. If you've ever visited some of the, shall we say, less popular portions of that city, you'll find block after block of boarded-up rowhouses. It's actually kind of eerie. Hell, even if you take Amtrak and go past Charm City, you'll see lots of houses that are in dismal shape (but nevertheless, sadly, are still occupied).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article mentions Baltimore , which makes sense .
If you 've ever visited some of the , shall we say , less popular portions of that city , you 'll find block after block of boarded-up rowhouses .
It 's actually kind of eerie .
Hell , even if you take Amtrak and go past Charm City , you 'll see lots of houses that are in dismal shape ( but nevertheless , sadly , are still occupied ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article mentions Baltimore, which makes sense.
If you've ever visited some of the, shall we say, less popular portions of that city, you'll find block after block of boarded-up rowhouses.
It's actually kind of eerie.
Hell, even if you take Amtrak and go past Charm City, you'll see lots of houses that are in dismal shape (but nevertheless, sadly, are still occupied).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380827</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245320280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could do what Toronto, Ontario does... When something -- especially in prime real-estate area -- is marked as a historical site they do one of two things: (1) never invest any money into upkeep, letting the site fall into ruin until it is condemned to be torn down because it's a hazard or (2) have it burn down in a 6-alarm blaze days after being declared a historical site with arson suspected, but no one ever brought to justice or even announced as a suspect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could do what Toronto , Ontario does... When something -- especially in prime real-estate area -- is marked as a historical site they do one of two things : ( 1 ) never invest any money into upkeep , letting the site fall into ruin until it is condemned to be torn down because it 's a hazard or ( 2 ) have it burn down in a 6-alarm blaze days after being declared a historical site with arson suspected , but no one ever brought to justice or even announced as a suspect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could do what Toronto, Ontario does... When something -- especially in prime real-estate area -- is marked as a historical site they do one of two things: (1) never invest any money into upkeep, letting the site fall into ruin until it is condemned to be torn down because it's a hazard or (2) have it burn down in a 6-alarm blaze days after being declared a historical site with arson suspected, but no one ever brought to justice or even announced as a suspect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28388389</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>LanMan04</author>
	<datestamp>1245419640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, most of my friends lived about 5 miles away...not exactly the short of distance a Mom would let her son roam (even in the 80s).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , most of my friends lived about 5 miles away...not exactly the short of distance a Mom would let her son roam ( even in the 80s ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, most of my friends lived about 5 miles away...not exactly the short of distance a Mom would let her son roam (even in the 80s).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378639</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Decay?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245356280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Part of the point of this <i>is</i> to raise population densities.  Right now you have huge tracts of abandoned buildings, with people living here and there among them.  It's a huge drain on public resources (providing police and, especially, fire protection to all the abandoned buildings), and doesn't really foster healthy communities.</p><p>Most of the plans that I've seen, including the one in Flint, involve buying up abandoned properties and demolishing them, while simultaneously restoring ones in better areas and encouraging people to move from blighted areas into them.  The result is condensing the remaining residents of the city into a smaller, more densely-populated area.  More public services in a smaller area, better public transportation, etc.</p><p>They're not trying to chase people out of the cities and into the suburbs or exurbs, quite the opposite.  Most of the areas they're trying to get rid of were the original suburbs, and what they are trying to achieve is a rebuilding of the urban core.</p><p>Yeah, it would be great to get people to move in from the suburbs and fill in the high-density rowhousing in places like Baltimore, but that's just not going to happen.  Nobody wants to live there, not given the way the areas are now.  And those areas aren't going to get better.  What's needed is a "rebooting" of cities -- get people back into the core areas, demolish some of the older urban/suburban transitional areas, and show that cities actually work.  When people out in the 'burbs see that a city can be a nice place to live again, and not just a ghetto for people who have nowhere else to go, then it'll be time for new construction.  (But this time, build mixed-use and actually plan the growth, rather than just letting stuff grow and create huge tracts of transportation-dependent, single-use housing, miles away from commercial or industrial areas.)</p><p>This is the first step towards making cities desirable again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Part of the point of this is to raise population densities .
Right now you have huge tracts of abandoned buildings , with people living here and there among them .
It 's a huge drain on public resources ( providing police and , especially , fire protection to all the abandoned buildings ) , and does n't really foster healthy communities.Most of the plans that I 've seen , including the one in Flint , involve buying up abandoned properties and demolishing them , while simultaneously restoring ones in better areas and encouraging people to move from blighted areas into them .
The result is condensing the remaining residents of the city into a smaller , more densely-populated area .
More public services in a smaller area , better public transportation , etc.They 're not trying to chase people out of the cities and into the suburbs or exurbs , quite the opposite .
Most of the areas they 're trying to get rid of were the original suburbs , and what they are trying to achieve is a rebuilding of the urban core.Yeah , it would be great to get people to move in from the suburbs and fill in the high-density rowhousing in places like Baltimore , but that 's just not going to happen .
Nobody wants to live there , not given the way the areas are now .
And those areas are n't going to get better .
What 's needed is a " rebooting " of cities -- get people back into the core areas , demolish some of the older urban/suburban transitional areas , and show that cities actually work .
When people out in the 'burbs see that a city can be a nice place to live again , and not just a ghetto for people who have nowhere else to go , then it 'll be time for new construction .
( But this time , build mixed-use and actually plan the growth , rather than just letting stuff grow and create huge tracts of transportation-dependent , single-use housing , miles away from commercial or industrial areas .
) This is the first step towards making cities desirable again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Part of the point of this is to raise population densities.
Right now you have huge tracts of abandoned buildings, with people living here and there among them.
It's a huge drain on public resources (providing police and, especially, fire protection to all the abandoned buildings), and doesn't really foster healthy communities.Most of the plans that I've seen, including the one in Flint, involve buying up abandoned properties and demolishing them, while simultaneously restoring ones in better areas and encouraging people to move from blighted areas into them.
The result is condensing the remaining residents of the city into a smaller, more densely-populated area.
More public services in a smaller area, better public transportation, etc.They're not trying to chase people out of the cities and into the suburbs or exurbs, quite the opposite.
Most of the areas they're trying to get rid of were the original suburbs, and what they are trying to achieve is a rebuilding of the urban core.Yeah, it would be great to get people to move in from the suburbs and fill in the high-density rowhousing in places like Baltimore, but that's just not going to happen.
Nobody wants to live there, not given the way the areas are now.
And those areas aren't going to get better.
What's needed is a "rebooting" of cities -- get people back into the core areas, demolish some of the older urban/suburban transitional areas, and show that cities actually work.
When people out in the 'burbs see that a city can be a nice place to live again, and not just a ghetto for people who have nowhere else to go, then it'll be time for new construction.
(But this time, build mixed-use and actually plan the growth, rather than just letting stuff grow and create huge tracts of transportation-dependent, single-use housing, miles away from commercial or industrial areas.
)This is the first step towards making cities desirable again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28390635</id>
	<title>Re:Dayton</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245429120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, ask Rochester NY about that.  Xerox and Kodak moved their headquarters out of Rochester and out of New York.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , ask Rochester NY about that .
Xerox and Kodak moved their headquarters out of Rochester and out of New York .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, ask Rochester NY about that.
Xerox and Kodak moved their headquarters out of Rochester and out of New York.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380753</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>tool462</author>
	<datestamp>1245319920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am exactly the "you" you are referring to.  Currently a resident of Phx, and all of the things that made this city attractive 10 years ago are pretty much gone.  The sprawl over the past 5 years is ungodly.  Outside of the engineering world in which I work, most people I talk to work in real estate, construction, or civil services, and all of that was fueled by the real estate boom.  With that collapse, this city is going to go through some very rough times.  It won't be quite as bad as a place like Detroit--our vast swaths of abandoned property are all brand new.  Places like MN, CO, WA, and OR are high on my list of places to move to when a reasonable opportunity presents itself.  Having experienced it in the past, smaller, more centralized living is vastly superior to exurb sprawl.  All you have to do is get used to the idea that a 5000sq ft house on an acre of land isn't a requirement of success.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am exactly the " you " you are referring to .
Currently a resident of Phx , and all of the things that made this city attractive 10 years ago are pretty much gone .
The sprawl over the past 5 years is ungodly .
Outside of the engineering world in which I work , most people I talk to work in real estate , construction , or civil services , and all of that was fueled by the real estate boom .
With that collapse , this city is going to go through some very rough times .
It wo n't be quite as bad as a place like Detroit--our vast swaths of abandoned property are all brand new .
Places like MN , CO , WA , and OR are high on my list of places to move to when a reasonable opportunity presents itself .
Having experienced it in the past , smaller , more centralized living is vastly superior to exurb sprawl .
All you have to do is get used to the idea that a 5000sq ft house on an acre of land is n't a requirement of success .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am exactly the "you" you are referring to.
Currently a resident of Phx, and all of the things that made this city attractive 10 years ago are pretty much gone.
The sprawl over the past 5 years is ungodly.
Outside of the engineering world in which I work, most people I talk to work in real estate, construction, or civil services, and all of that was fueled by the real estate boom.
With that collapse, this city is going to go through some very rough times.
It won't be quite as bad as a place like Detroit--our vast swaths of abandoned property are all brand new.
Places like MN, CO, WA, and OR are high on my list of places to move to when a reasonable opportunity presents itself.
Having experienced it in the past, smaller, more centralized living is vastly superior to exurb sprawl.
All you have to do is get used to the idea that a 5000sq ft house on an acre of land isn't a requirement of success.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378461</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381603</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>i love pineapples</author>
	<datestamp>1245323520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I grew up in Windham, Maine. It was a 6.5 mile drive just to my High School. Plus, riding your bike on the narrow shoulder of US-202 while cars are flying by you at 40mph wasn't exactly the safest thing in the world, and that's if the shoulder wasn't piled up with snow. If you were lucky, you'd know some kids living on your road, but in most cases you were stuck begging for rides.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I grew up in Windham , Maine .
It was a 6.5 mile drive just to my High School .
Plus , riding your bike on the narrow shoulder of US-202 while cars are flying by you at 40mph was n't exactly the safest thing in the world , and that 's if the shoulder was n't piled up with snow .
If you were lucky , you 'd know some kids living on your road , but in most cases you were stuck begging for rides .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I grew up in Windham, Maine.
It was a 6.5 mile drive just to my High School.
Plus, riding your bike on the narrow shoulder of US-202 while cars are flying by you at 40mph wasn't exactly the safest thing in the world, and that's if the shoulder wasn't piled up with snow.
If you were lucky, you'd know some kids living on your road, but in most cases you were stuck begging for rides.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379539</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>atomic777</author>
	<datestamp>1245315780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Huh?  Relocate what people?  The article mentions that much of this property is already empty/abandoned.</p>  </div><p>
Yes, the areas are abandoned but that does not mean that large numbers of "off balance sheet" people do not squat, camp or otherwise use many of these properties, of course at an opportunity cost to the local government because they are not paying any property taxes or upkeep. At the moment, rust-belt areas of the US have relatively low populations compared to the number of buildings available to squat, a legacy of past wealth, in comparison to cities like Mumbai, where the local government wages a constant battle to destroy "illegal" slums and shantytowns, only to have them rebuilt.
</p><p>
However, when you raze these areas, you're still going to have that same pesky problem as before, which is that there are large numbers of people who have been abandoned by society, and taking away their "residences" will simply shift them around. The end result will probably be the popping up of shanty towns or other third-world-esque eyesores in areas of the US. Indeed, areas of the US are devolving to third-world status before our very eyes.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh ?
Relocate what people ?
The article mentions that much of this property is already empty/abandoned .
Yes , the areas are abandoned but that does not mean that large numbers of " off balance sheet " people do not squat , camp or otherwise use many of these properties , of course at an opportunity cost to the local government because they are not paying any property taxes or upkeep .
At the moment , rust-belt areas of the US have relatively low populations compared to the number of buildings available to squat , a legacy of past wealth , in comparison to cities like Mumbai , where the local government wages a constant battle to destroy " illegal " slums and shantytowns , only to have them rebuilt .
However , when you raze these areas , you 're still going to have that same pesky problem as before , which is that there are large numbers of people who have been abandoned by society , and taking away their " residences " will simply shift them around .
The end result will probably be the popping up of shanty towns or other third-world-esque eyesores in areas of the US .
Indeed , areas of the US are devolving to third-world status before our very eyes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh?
Relocate what people?
The article mentions that much of this property is already empty/abandoned.
Yes, the areas are abandoned but that does not mean that large numbers of "off balance sheet" people do not squat, camp or otherwise use many of these properties, of course at an opportunity cost to the local government because they are not paying any property taxes or upkeep.
At the moment, rust-belt areas of the US have relatively low populations compared to the number of buildings available to squat, a legacy of past wealth, in comparison to cities like Mumbai, where the local government wages a constant battle to destroy "illegal" slums and shantytowns, only to have them rebuilt.
However, when you raze these areas, you're still going to have that same pesky problem as before, which is that there are large numbers of people who have been abandoned by society, and taking away their "residences" will simply shift them around.
The end result will probably be the popping up of shanty towns or other third-world-esque eyesores in areas of the US.
Indeed, areas of the US are devolving to third-world status before our very eyes.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385109</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>dotlin</author>
	<datestamp>1245343680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

Here's an interesting blog entry with a number of abandoned cities/towns:

<a href="http://www.dirjournal.com/info/abandoned-places-in-the-world/" title="dirjournal.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dirjournal.com/info/abandoned-places-in-the-world/</a> [dirjournal.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences .
Here 's an interesting blog entry with a number of abandoned cities/towns : http : //www.dirjournal.com/info/abandoned-places-in-the-world/ [ dirjournal.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences.
Here's an interesting blog entry with a number of abandoned cities/towns:

http://www.dirjournal.com/info/abandoned-places-in-the-world/ [dirjournal.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385621</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>MtViewGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1245349140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>mark my words: the 1950s trend of everyone moving west will be replaced in 2025 by stories of everyone out west moving to the midwest belt</i></p><p>Never happen for one reason: weather. Even if the city is "rightsized" who'd want to go out with the frigid winters of the Midwest?</p><p>The new "rightsized" cities will be mostly in the southern and western USA, where at least much of the year going outdoors is actually a pleasant experience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mark my words : the 1950s trend of everyone moving west will be replaced in 2025 by stories of everyone out west moving to the midwest beltNever happen for one reason : weather .
Even if the city is " rightsized " who 'd want to go out with the frigid winters of the Midwest ? The new " rightsized " cities will be mostly in the southern and western USA , where at least much of the year going outdoors is actually a pleasant experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mark my words: the 1950s trend of everyone moving west will be replaced in 2025 by stories of everyone out west moving to the midwest beltNever happen for one reason: weather.
Even if the city is "rightsized" who'd want to go out with the frigid winters of the Midwest?The new "rightsized" cities will be mostly in the southern and western USA, where at least much of the year going outdoors is actually a pleasant experience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380123</id>
	<title>Re:Pollution?</title>
	<author>Trahloc</author>
	<datestamp>1245317520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure the idea of razing the buildings will include some sort of waste removal process.  Would be great if they built a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal\_depolymerization" title="wikipedia.org">thermal depolymerization</a> [wikipedia.org] plant to grind up the waste and create fuel for all the trucks that will be needed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure the idea of razing the buildings will include some sort of waste removal process .
Would be great if they built a thermal depolymerization [ wikipedia.org ] plant to grind up the waste and create fuel for all the trucks that will be needed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure the idea of razing the buildings will include some sort of waste removal process.
Would be great if they built a thermal depolymerization [wikipedia.org] plant to grind up the waste and create fuel for all the trucks that will be needed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381029</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Jeng</author>
	<datestamp>1245321120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is an abandoned city in the US that is protected and is in fact being used in the Darpa robotic vehicle testing, its old army housing.</p><p>There are also a  number of ghost towns in the US that one could study.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is an abandoned city in the US that is protected and is in fact being used in the Darpa robotic vehicle testing , its old army housing.There are also a number of ghost towns in the US that one could study .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is an abandoned city in the US that is protected and is in fact being used in the Darpa robotic vehicle testing, its old army housing.There are also a  number of ghost towns in the US that one could study.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379253</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381685</id>
	<title>Re:Create parks inside the cities</title>
	<author>Ironica</author>
	<datestamp>1245323880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because...</p><p>* Lots of research finds that "open space" is one of the higher-ranked criteria people use when determining where to live.</p><p>* Children with open space available to them tend to be healthier.</p><p>* Green areas (especially trees) mitigate air pollution and lower average summer temperatures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because... * Lots of research finds that " open space " is one of the higher-ranked criteria people use when determining where to live .
* Children with open space available to them tend to be healthier .
* Green areas ( especially trees ) mitigate air pollution and lower average summer temperatures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because...* Lots of research finds that "open space" is one of the higher-ranked criteria people use when determining where to live.
* Children with open space available to them tend to be healthier.
* Green areas (especially trees) mitigate air pollution and lower average summer temperatures.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378445</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379375</id>
	<title>some people need to learn to read</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245358440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously wtf people? it clearly says that they are going to knock down buildings that are not currently occupied in any legal sense. they are not kicking poor people out of their homes, they are just knocking down old buildings that no one wants any more so that the land can be put to better use. This seems like a good idea for seriously blighted parts of cities that no one goes to anymore. if someone then wants to buy the land and actually do something with it, the city makes some money buying land cheap and selling it un-blighted, the city gets new businesses who need cheap land an infrastructure. The city can then plan for more people building and moving into these area's (god forbid maybe actually put in better public transportation). I am not so sure about the whole "green" part of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously wtf people ?
it clearly says that they are going to knock down buildings that are not currently occupied in any legal sense .
they are not kicking poor people out of their homes , they are just knocking down old buildings that no one wants any more so that the land can be put to better use .
This seems like a good idea for seriously blighted parts of cities that no one goes to anymore .
if someone then wants to buy the land and actually do something with it , the city makes some money buying land cheap and selling it un-blighted , the city gets new businesses who need cheap land an infrastructure .
The city can then plan for more people building and moving into these area 's ( god forbid maybe actually put in better public transportation ) .
I am not so sure about the whole " green " part of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously wtf people?
it clearly says that they are going to knock down buildings that are not currently occupied in any legal sense.
they are not kicking poor people out of their homes, they are just knocking down old buildings that no one wants any more so that the land can be put to better use.
This seems like a good idea for seriously blighted parts of cities that no one goes to anymore.
if someone then wants to buy the land and actually do something with it, the city makes some money buying land cheap and selling it un-blighted, the city gets new businesses who need cheap land an infrastructure.
The city can then plan for more people building and moving into these area's (god forbid maybe actually put in better public transportation).
I am not so sure about the whole "green" part of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28386757</id>
	<title>Re:My support</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245404160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Woah there, Tiger.  Don't be so quick to strap on your Red Wing boots and starting tearing out the Lion's den.  I need to watch the Pistons play somewhere!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Woah there , Tiger .
Do n't be so quick to strap on your Red Wing boots and starting tearing out the Lion 's den .
I need to watch the Pistons play somewhere !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Woah there, Tiger.
Don't be so quick to strap on your Red Wing boots and starting tearing out the Lion's den.
I need to watch the Pistons play somewhere!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378135</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382743</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>Ocker3</author>
	<datestamp>1245328740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>mod parent -1 "did not understand the question"</htmltext>
<tokenext>mod parent -1 " did not understand the question "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mod parent -1 "did not understand the question"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378575</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378299</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1245355380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, I'm sure they'll thank you for moving them downtown to get harassed by bums, shot at by gangbangers, and attend a school where the teachers wear body armor. I can see them giving you the "World's Greatest Dad" cup now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I 'm sure they 'll thank you for moving them downtown to get harassed by bums , shot at by gangbangers , and attend a school where the teachers wear body armor .
I can see them giving you the " World 's Greatest Dad " cup now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I'm sure they'll thank you for moving them downtown to get harassed by bums, shot at by gangbangers, and attend a school where the teachers wear body armor.
I can see them giving you the "World's Greatest Dad" cup now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378077</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380131</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>amRadioHed</author>
	<datestamp>1245317520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You do realize not every city is a post-apocalyptic hellhole, right? There are options other than living in a gang warzone or living in a secluded suburb miles from anything.</p><p>Perhaps you should get out of your suburb more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize not every city is a post-apocalyptic hellhole , right ?
There are options other than living in a gang warzone or living in a secluded suburb miles from anything.Perhaps you should get out of your suburb more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize not every city is a post-apocalyptic hellhole, right?
There are options other than living in a gang warzone or living in a secluded suburb miles from anything.Perhaps you should get out of your suburb more.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378299</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382917</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245329340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was actually happening in the 90's.  Parts of New Orleans were fenced off and left to rot.  You'd see apartment buildings and factorys on the outskirts of town just slowly crumbling and collapsing into themselves...  Long before the recent hurricanes.</p><p>What I don't get is people are loosing their homes.  Thousands are homeless...  And yet the governments big plan is to bulldoze all the houses they just kicked families out of.  I'm all for returning unneeded land back to nature, but how about housing the population first...  I have five different friends whom with their families have lost their homes because they couldnt afford their mortgages or the value dropped and the bank foreclosed because the house wasn't worth the base of the loan anymore...  So they stay homeless with all the others while we level the houses that we took away from them?!?!?  There is no logic in government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was actually happening in the 90 's .
Parts of New Orleans were fenced off and left to rot .
You 'd see apartment buildings and factorys on the outskirts of town just slowly crumbling and collapsing into themselves... Long before the recent hurricanes.What I do n't get is people are loosing their homes .
Thousands are homeless... And yet the governments big plan is to bulldoze all the houses they just kicked families out of .
I 'm all for returning unneeded land back to nature , but how about housing the population first... I have five different friends whom with their families have lost their homes because they couldnt afford their mortgages or the value dropped and the bank foreclosed because the house was n't worth the base of the loan anymore... So they stay homeless with all the others while we level the houses that we took away from them ? ! ? ! ?
There is no logic in government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was actually happening in the 90's.
Parts of New Orleans were fenced off and left to rot.
You'd see apartment buildings and factorys on the outskirts of town just slowly crumbling and collapsing into themselves...  Long before the recent hurricanes.What I don't get is people are loosing their homes.
Thousands are homeless...  And yet the governments big plan is to bulldoze all the houses they just kicked families out of.
I'm all for returning unneeded land back to nature, but how about housing the population first...  I have five different friends whom with their families have lost their homes because they couldnt afford their mortgages or the value dropped and the bank foreclosed because the house wasn't worth the base of the loan anymore...  So they stay homeless with all the others while we level the houses that we took away from them?!?!?
There is no logic in government.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379253</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382965</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245329520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hellooo. Haven't you seen "Life After People" on the History Channel?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hellooo .
Have n't you seen " Life After People " on the History Channel ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hellooo.
Haven't you seen "Life After People" on the History Channel?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379253</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380077</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Decay?</title>
	<author>WilliamBaughman</author>
	<datestamp>1245317400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Urban Renewal" knocked down occupied buildings and stuffed people into substandard housing with terrible security, which was then poorly maintained.  This new project knocks down unoccupied buildings (which are bad for property values and safety) and replaces them with grass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Urban Renewal " knocked down occupied buildings and stuffed people into substandard housing with terrible security , which was then poorly maintained .
This new project knocks down unoccupied buildings ( which are bad for property values and safety ) and replaces them with grass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Urban Renewal" knocked down occupied buildings and stuffed people into substandard housing with terrible security, which was then poorly maintained.
This new project knocks down unoccupied buildings (which are bad for property values and safety) and replaces them with grass.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378123</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28388687</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1245421080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ones referenced in the original article are pretty damn close to post-apocalyptic hellholes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ones referenced in the original article are pretty damn close to post-apocalyptic hellholes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ones referenced in the original article are pretty damn close to post-apocalyptic hellholes.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380131</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379225</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1245358020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Main street" in modern suburbia is a 6-lane highway.  Take a ride out to Northern Virginia if you don't believe me.  <i>Very</i> few places today are bicycle-friendly.</p><p>Ironically, the most bike-friendly city I've ever lived in was Fairbanks, AK.  They had bike paths along <i>all</i> major roads, and wide shoulders on all others.  I took up biking while I was there as a form of both transportation and recreation.  (Unfortunately, cycling in the winter isn't much of an option there.  Shame too, because it's a surprisingly nice place to live when it isn't winter)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Main street " in modern suburbia is a 6-lane highway .
Take a ride out to Northern Virginia if you do n't believe me .
Very few places today are bicycle-friendly.Ironically , the most bike-friendly city I 've ever lived in was Fairbanks , AK .
They had bike paths along all major roads , and wide shoulders on all others .
I took up biking while I was there as a form of both transportation and recreation .
( Unfortunately , cycling in the winter is n't much of an option there .
Shame too , because it 's a surprisingly nice place to live when it is n't winter )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Main street" in modern suburbia is a 6-lane highway.
Take a ride out to Northern Virginia if you don't believe me.
Very few places today are bicycle-friendly.Ironically, the most bike-friendly city I've ever lived in was Fairbanks, AK.
They had bike paths along all major roads, and wide shoulders on all others.
I took up biking while I was there as a form of both transportation and recreation.
(Unfortunately, cycling in the winter isn't much of an option there.
Shame too, because it's a surprisingly nice place to live when it isn't winter)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378441</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383163</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>pablodiazgutierrez</author>
	<datestamp>1245330180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not the proper city, really. But there's a <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?q=from:san+fernando,+ca+to:+mission+viejo,+ca&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;hl=en&amp;t=h&amp;z=9" title="google.com">continuum of inhabited land</a> [google.com] that spans almost that far.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not the proper city , really .
But there 's a continuum of inhabited land [ google.com ] that spans almost that far .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not the proper city, really.
But there's a continuum of inhabited land [google.com] that spans almost that far.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382577</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384383</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1245337320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ha-ha.  That's rich - a UKian criticizing an American for existing in his own culture, and then offering as a counterexample UK culture.  <p>And then goes for the gold by attributing all Americans who live in a certain geographic area with a characteristic!  Ignorant, ignorant...come on man</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ha-ha .
That 's rich - a UKian criticizing an American for existing in his own culture , and then offering as a counterexample UK culture .
And then goes for the gold by attributing all Americans who live in a certain geographic area with a characteristic !
Ignorant , ignorant...come on man</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ha-ha.
That's rich - a UKian criticizing an American for existing in his own culture, and then offering as a counterexample UK culture.
And then goes for the gold by attributing all Americans who live in a certain geographic area with a characteristic!
Ignorant, ignorant...come on man</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380153</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385529</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>stuff and such</author>
	<datestamp>1245348480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ah drug dealers, just as nature intended.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ah drug dealers , just as nature intended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ah drug dealers, just as nature intended.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381499</id>
	<title>Re:Dayton</title>
	<author>dpiven</author>
	<datestamp>1245323040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>you know it's bad when a company that was founded in your city over 100 years ago packs up shop without even giving the host city/state a chance to appease them.</p></div></blockquote><p><strong> <i>APPEASE THEM?</i> </strong>  Dayton and Ohio have probably given them tax incentives and other "appeasements" out the freaking ass over those 100 years, and NCR is looking for more "appeasement"?   I think the situation is more like NCR giving that municipal neck one last squeeze and not getting any signs of life back.</p><p>I've seen that happen innumerable times with the Governmental Trifecta from Hell (City of Chicago, County of Cook, State of Illinois), all of which have a rich history of shoveling out tax dollars to private corporations who whine about it being too expensive to do business here and threaten to pull their jobs out of the area.  What happens after that, of course (usually about a week after the last check clears),  is that said private corporations load up the trucks and pull their jobs out of the area and let the government clean up their garbage.</p><p>Appeasement my ass.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>you know it 's bad when a company that was founded in your city over 100 years ago packs up shop without even giving the host city/state a chance to appease them .
APPEASE THEM ?
Dayton and Ohio have probably given them tax incentives and other " appeasements " out the freaking ass over those 100 years , and NCR is looking for more " appeasement " ?
I think the situation is more like NCR giving that municipal neck one last squeeze and not getting any signs of life back.I 've seen that happen innumerable times with the Governmental Trifecta from Hell ( City of Chicago , County of Cook , State of Illinois ) , all of which have a rich history of shoveling out tax dollars to private corporations who whine about it being too expensive to do business here and threaten to pull their jobs out of the area .
What happens after that , of course ( usually about a week after the last check clears ) , is that said private corporations load up the trucks and pull their jobs out of the area and let the government clean up their garbage.Appeasement my ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you know it's bad when a company that was founded in your city over 100 years ago packs up shop without even giving the host city/state a chance to appease them.
APPEASE THEM?
Dayton and Ohio have probably given them tax incentives and other "appeasements" out the freaking ass over those 100 years, and NCR is looking for more "appeasement"?
I think the situation is more like NCR giving that municipal neck one last squeeze and not getting any signs of life back.I've seen that happen innumerable times with the Governmental Trifecta from Hell (City of Chicago, County of Cook, State of Illinois), all of which have a rich history of shoveling out tax dollars to private corporations who whine about it being too expensive to do business here and threaten to pull their jobs out of the area.
What happens after that, of course (usually about a week after the last check clears),  is that said private corporations load up the trucks and pull their jobs out of the area and let the government clean up their garbage.Appeasement my ass.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378101</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379455</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>tnk1</author>
	<datestamp>1245358680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is maintenance work, plain and simple.  You can't just leave things to rot, or they become havens for all sorts of diseases, medical and social.</p><p>If these places are truly empty and derelict, they should be removed.  That's not like moving rocks from one pile to another, it has a real value to us, even if it does not strictly progress society.</p><p>Its nice to make advances and build on things, but you have to maintain the foundation or one day you will be sitting in your penthouse and find yourself shocked that your building has suddenly started to collapse due to the decay of the parts you have ignored.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is maintenance work , plain and simple .
You ca n't just leave things to rot , or they become havens for all sorts of diseases , medical and social.If these places are truly empty and derelict , they should be removed .
That 's not like moving rocks from one pile to another , it has a real value to us , even if it does not strictly progress society.Its nice to make advances and build on things , but you have to maintain the foundation or one day you will be sitting in your penthouse and find yourself shocked that your building has suddenly started to collapse due to the decay of the parts you have ignored .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is maintenance work, plain and simple.
You can't just leave things to rot, or they become havens for all sorts of diseases, medical and social.If these places are truly empty and derelict, they should be removed.
That's not like moving rocks from one pile to another, it has a real value to us, even if it does not strictly progress society.Its nice to make advances and build on things, but you have to maintain the foundation or one day you will be sitting in your penthouse and find yourself shocked that your building has suddenly started to collapse due to the decay of the parts you have ignored.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378381</id>
	<title>Best thing that could happen</title>
	<author>onyxruby</author>
	<datestamp>1245355620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Think of this as an extension of the whole broken windows theory. When you are surrounded by broken windows you treat a neighborhood as bad (never mind the residents). When a person is surrounded by blighted neighborhoods then the only thing they can see is blight. Improve the environment, change the neighborhood - it can only help change the residents.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Think of this as an extension of the whole broken windows theory .
When you are surrounded by broken windows you treat a neighborhood as bad ( never mind the residents ) .
When a person is surrounded by blighted neighborhoods then the only thing they can see is blight .
Improve the environment , change the neighborhood - it can only help change the residents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think of this as an extension of the whole broken windows theory.
When you are surrounded by broken windows you treat a neighborhood as bad (never mind the residents).
When a person is surrounded by blighted neighborhoods then the only thing they can see is blight.
Improve the environment, change the neighborhood - it can only help change the residents.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378307</id>
	<title>Really a Shame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245355380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My hometown in Minnesota shrinks all the time.  Whenever a class graduates, we get the hell out of Dodge.  Through the 90s I recall a huge influx of Hmong and Somali <a href="http://www.minneapolisfoundation.org/immigration/africa.htm" title="minneapoli...dation.org" rel="nofollow">peoples to Minnesota</a> [minneapoli...dation.org], including the smaller towns.  Now, it should be noted that jobs like factory work and farm work existed for these people but I think it a shame houses in the United States are going to be demolished.  <br> <br>With the amount of civil war and civil unrest in the world, one would think that a displaced or repressed person from Israel, Pakistan, Iran, Somalia, Darfur, Sudan or near any place of high population density would bother to learn English and move out to the United States with for stability, law enforcement, cheap housing and a shot at a job.<p><div class="quote"><p>"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."</p></div><p>I know that a lot of people disagree with me on this and a lot of people here in the states are downright afraid of/opposed to immigration but I still think it's a shame they bulldoze houses due to lack of occupants.  Granted, the people moving in would have to be sustained by welfare for a time but they could create their own markets and industry.  It hasn't gone without problems in Minnesota but I can assure you it's for the betterment for those individuals and the diversity of Minnesota in the long run.</p></div>
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<tokenext>My hometown in Minnesota shrinks all the time .
Whenever a class graduates , we get the hell out of Dodge .
Through the 90s I recall a huge influx of Hmong and Somali peoples to Minnesota [ minneapoli...dation.org ] , including the smaller towns .
Now , it should be noted that jobs like factory work and farm work existed for these people but I think it a shame houses in the United States are going to be demolished .
With the amount of civil war and civil unrest in the world , one would think that a displaced or repressed person from Israel , Pakistan , Iran , Somalia , Darfur , Sudan or near any place of high population density would bother to learn English and move out to the United States with for stability , law enforcement , cheap housing and a shot at a job .
" Give us your poor , your tired , your huddled masses longing to be free... " I know that a lot of people disagree with me on this and a lot of people here in the states are downright afraid of/opposed to immigration but I still think it 's a shame they bulldoze houses due to lack of occupants .
Granted , the people moving in would have to be sustained by welfare for a time but they could create their own markets and industry .
It has n't gone without problems in Minnesota but I can assure you it 's for the betterment for those individuals and the diversity of Minnesota in the long run .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My hometown in Minnesota shrinks all the time.
Whenever a class graduates, we get the hell out of Dodge.
Through the 90s I recall a huge influx of Hmong and Somali peoples to Minnesota [minneapoli...dation.org], including the smaller towns.
Now, it should be noted that jobs like factory work and farm work existed for these people but I think it a shame houses in the United States are going to be demolished.
With the amount of civil war and civil unrest in the world, one would think that a displaced or repressed person from Israel, Pakistan, Iran, Somalia, Darfur, Sudan or near any place of high population density would bother to learn English and move out to the United States with for stability, law enforcement, cheap housing and a shot at a job.
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."I know that a lot of people disagree with me on this and a lot of people here in the states are downright afraid of/opposed to immigration but I still think it's a shame they bulldoze houses due to lack of occupants.
Granted, the people moving in would have to be sustained by welfare for a time but they could create their own markets and industry.
It hasn't gone without problems in Minnesota but I can assure you it's for the betterment for those individuals and the diversity of Minnesota in the long run.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379571</id>
	<title>Scare tactics</title>
	<author>Geoffrey.landis</author>
	<datestamp>1245315840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The headline says "US Plans To Bulldoze 50 Shrinking Cities," but I don't see any trace of "plans" to do any such thing.
</p><p>If you read the article, it seems to be a piece of political scare propaganda.
</p><p>Note the sub-headline: "<i>...proposals being considered by the Obama administration</i>"!  Wow... <br>uh, wait, what do they mean "being considered?"  The actual person quoted is "treasurer of Genesee County, which includes Flint."  Not exactly a powerhouse of the administration.  The "being considered" doesn't mean anything is  "planned." It means, apparently, "hey, here's a plan that this guy is implementing in Flint, MI, and is talking about a lot."
</p><p>But from that, you can sure whip up a frenzy.  They're bulldozing our cities!  Blame it on Obama!  We knew he was going to do something evil!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The headline says " US Plans To Bulldoze 50 Shrinking Cities , " but I do n't see any trace of " plans " to do any such thing .
If you read the article , it seems to be a piece of political scare propaganda .
Note the sub-headline : " ...proposals being considered by the Obama administration " !
Wow... uh , wait , what do they mean " being considered ?
" The actual person quoted is " treasurer of Genesee County , which includes Flint .
" Not exactly a powerhouse of the administration .
The " being considered " does n't mean anything is " planned .
" It means , apparently , " hey , here 's a plan that this guy is implementing in Flint , MI , and is talking about a lot .
" But from that , you can sure whip up a frenzy .
They 're bulldozing our cities !
Blame it on Obama !
We knew he was going to do something evil !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The headline says "US Plans To Bulldoze 50 Shrinking Cities," but I don't see any trace of "plans" to do any such thing.
If you read the article, it seems to be a piece of political scare propaganda.
Note the sub-headline: "...proposals being considered by the Obama administration"!
Wow... uh, wait, what do they mean "being considered?
"  The actual person quoted is "treasurer of Genesee County, which includes Flint.
"  Not exactly a powerhouse of the administration.
The "being considered" doesn't mean anything is  "planned.
" It means, apparently, "hey, here's a plan that this guy is implementing in Flint, MI, and is talking about a lot.
"
But from that, you can sure whip up a frenzy.
They're bulldozing our cities!
Blame it on Obama!
We knew he was going to do something evil!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28390841</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>MachineShedFred</author>
	<datestamp>1245430140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have a lot of urban sprawl due to automobiles in biblical times?</p><p>Context, man.  Context.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have a lot of urban sprawl due to automobiles in biblical times ? Context , man .
Context .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have a lot of urban sprawl due to automobiles in biblical times?Context, man.
Context.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381407</id>
	<title>Just look at Chernoble</title>
	<author>an.echte.trilingue</author>
	<datestamp>1245322680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The <a href="http://images.google.com/images?hl=fr&amp;client=iceweasel-a&amp;rls=org.debian:fr:unofficial&amp;q=ghost\%20town\%20chernoble&amp;lr=&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;sa=N&amp;tab=wi" title="google.com">towns around Chernoble</a> [google.com] have been abandoned for quite some time, which should satisfy your curiosity about how real cities decay if suddenly left alone.
<br> <br>
Chernoble is also a great robotic testing ground because people still can't really go there for long periods, so no cheating.
<br> <br>
The question of how cities would decay if humans suddenly died off en masse is moot.  The reason is that before long, the world's nuclear reactors (especially the older designs) would start running out of coolant and going Chernoble themselves. Will Smith will not be fighting vampires 3 years later because radiation would have killed him already.
<br> <br>
And, of course, we could use Chernoble for movie sets and kill off the god awful generation of actors that is plaguing American cinema.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The towns around Chernoble [ google.com ] have been abandoned for quite some time , which should satisfy your curiosity about how real cities decay if suddenly left alone .
Chernoble is also a great robotic testing ground because people still ca n't really go there for long periods , so no cheating .
The question of how cities would decay if humans suddenly died off en masse is moot .
The reason is that before long , the world 's nuclear reactors ( especially the older designs ) would start running out of coolant and going Chernoble themselves .
Will Smith will not be fighting vampires 3 years later because radiation would have killed him already .
And , of course , we could use Chernoble for movie sets and kill off the god awful generation of actors that is plaguing American cinema .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The towns around Chernoble [google.com] have been abandoned for quite some time, which should satisfy your curiosity about how real cities decay if suddenly left alone.
Chernoble is also a great robotic testing ground because people still can't really go there for long periods, so no cheating.
The question of how cities would decay if humans suddenly died off en masse is moot.
The reason is that before long, the world's nuclear reactors (especially the older designs) would start running out of coolant and going Chernoble themselves.
Will Smith will not be fighting vampires 3 years later because radiation would have killed him already.
And, of course, we could use Chernoble for movie sets and kill off the god awful generation of actors that is plaguing American cinema.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28387427</id>
	<title>Re:Make some money as well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245411960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do they look like Arab villages? Otherwise they're of no use to us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do they look like Arab villages ?
Otherwise they 're of no use to us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do they look like Arab villages?
Otherwise they're of no use to us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383457</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245331680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> in areas of the country no one can survive in without artificial air conditioning</i></p><p><i>death to california</i></p><p><i>long live ohio</i></p><p><i>mark my words:</i> </p><p>Fuck your words, idiot. People move to California for the climate. There's a damned sight less of CA that needs AC than there is of a hellhole like Ohio, which is unlivable in winter. In CA, we go to the snow when we want to -- it doesn't impress itself on us.</p><p>There's a damned good reason why some 12,000,000 people live in Ohio vs. 37,000,000 in California.</p><p>As for your woodsy-treesy, bucolic dream -- HAH!. As soon as the greedy bastard developers see the attraction of  isolated tracts out in the woods, they'll be all over them, touting the "gracious living, but close-in to town". Mark those words, fool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in areas of the country no one can survive in without artificial air conditioningdeath to californialong live ohiomark my words : Fuck your words , idiot .
People move to California for the climate .
There 's a damned sight less of CA that needs AC than there is of a hellhole like Ohio , which is unlivable in winter .
In CA , we go to the snow when we want to -- it does n't impress itself on us.There 's a damned good reason why some 12,000,000 people live in Ohio vs. 37,000,000 in California.As for your woodsy-treesy , bucolic dream -- HAH ! .
As soon as the greedy bastard developers see the attraction of isolated tracts out in the woods , they 'll be all over them , touting the " gracious living , but close-in to town " .
Mark those words , fool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> in areas of the country no one can survive in without artificial air conditioningdeath to californialong live ohiomark my words: Fuck your words, idiot.
People move to California for the climate.
There's a damned sight less of CA that needs AC than there is of a hellhole like Ohio, which is unlivable in winter.
In CA, we go to the snow when we want to -- it doesn't impress itself on us.There's a damned good reason why some 12,000,000 people live in Ohio vs. 37,000,000 in California.As for your woodsy-treesy, bucolic dream -- HAH!.
As soon as the greedy bastard developers see the attraction of  isolated tracts out in the woods, they'll be all over them, touting the "gracious living, but close-in to town".
Mark those words, fool.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383353</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245331080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences</p></div><p>See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pripyat,\_Ukraine - abandoned after the Chernobyl disaster.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influencesSee http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pripyat , \ _Ukraine - abandoned after the Chernobyl disaster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influencesSee http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pripyat,\_Ukraine - abandoned after the Chernobyl disaster.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380275</id>
	<title>Re:Make some money as well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245318060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Rent them out to Israeli army for training purposes.</p></div><p>Shit, just tell the Palisimians that Jews live there.  Next thing you know, they'll start blowing it all up for us.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Rent them out to Israeli army for training purposes.Shit , just tell the Palisimians that Jews live there .
Next thing you know , they 'll start blowing it all up for us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rent them out to Israeli army for training purposes.Shit, just tell the Palisimians that Jews live there.
Next thing you know, they'll start blowing it all up for us.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379241</id>
	<title>Hey!..this is not so new...</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1245358080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually someone was doing a study on these type of occurrences and was trying to concur that expanding a city's living plans might need a better decision structure in place. I always though to myself  that the most efficient structure that can go up<br>is a self sustaining apartment building with shops at the bottom floor for whole slew of services, not only for the amount of traffic it generates, but also for the economy as a whole...when you have a laundromat , a blockbuster, a subway, a loblaws all on the first floor and the rest is apartments on the rest of the floors, you can save alot of time from running around...also a certain amount of close proximity is needed for let's say next door's apartment contains a florist, a shoemaker etc... but with a repeating cycle of about 4 blocks before hitting another of the same service. This is exactly what happens in downtown new york....and it's amazing!</p><p>The only thing is that when a structure goes down, because of proximity, it affects others as well. Take for example 9/11<br>when a building went down, the adjacent buildings all suffered massive damages...some of which were too extreme to repair.<br>We could limit the amount of floors this type of concrete "web" could be allowed to have...</p><p>Anyone remember those self sustaining bio-domes...well this would be a close precursor before actually bringing into the frey, biologicals, solar energy retention, water recycling etc...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually someone was doing a study on these type of occurrences and was trying to concur that expanding a city 's living plans might need a better decision structure in place .
I always though to myself that the most efficient structure that can go upis a self sustaining apartment building with shops at the bottom floor for whole slew of services , not only for the amount of traffic it generates , but also for the economy as a whole...when you have a laundromat , a blockbuster , a subway , a loblaws all on the first floor and the rest is apartments on the rest of the floors , you can save alot of time from running around...also a certain amount of close proximity is needed for let 's say next door 's apartment contains a florist , a shoemaker etc... but with a repeating cycle of about 4 blocks before hitting another of the same service .
This is exactly what happens in downtown new york....and it 's amazing ! The only thing is that when a structure goes down , because of proximity , it affects others as well .
Take for example 9/11when a building went down , the adjacent buildings all suffered massive damages...some of which were too extreme to repair.We could limit the amount of floors this type of concrete " web " could be allowed to have...Anyone remember those self sustaining bio-domes...well this would be a close precursor before actually bringing into the frey , biologicals , solar energy retention , water recycling etc.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually someone was doing a study on these type of occurrences and was trying to concur that expanding a city's living plans might need a better decision structure in place.
I always though to myself  that the most efficient structure that can go upis a self sustaining apartment building with shops at the bottom floor for whole slew of services, not only for the amount of traffic it generates, but also for the economy as a whole...when you have a laundromat , a blockbuster, a subway, a loblaws all on the first floor and the rest is apartments on the rest of the floors, you can save alot of time from running around...also a certain amount of close proximity is needed for let's say next door's apartment contains a florist, a shoemaker etc... but with a repeating cycle of about 4 blocks before hitting another of the same service.
This is exactly what happens in downtown new york....and it's amazing!The only thing is that when a structure goes down, because of proximity, it affects others as well.
Take for example 9/11when a building went down, the adjacent buildings all suffered massive damages...some of which were too extreme to repair.We could limit the amount of floors this type of concrete "web" could be allowed to have...Anyone remember those self sustaining bio-domes...well this would be a close precursor before actually bringing into the frey, biologicals, solar energy retention, water recycling etc...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28390957</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>MachineShedFred</author>
	<datestamp>1245430620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't intend for this to be an advertisement for people to move to Oregon; I meant for this to be a correction for typical New York City think - that Los Angeles stretches from the 35th to 45th parallel, and the Canadian Border happens to have shifted from the 49th down to the 45th.</p><p>In fact, it's quite the opposite.  I agree with former Oregon Governor Tom McCall, who rather famously was quoted as saying "We want you to visit our State of Excitement often. Come again and again. But for heaven's sake, don't move here to live. Or if you do have to move in to live, don't tell any of your neighbors where you are going."</p><p>Oh, and that whole Urban Growth Boundary thing, where we actually told Robert Moses to stuff it and cancelled freeways rather than cutting up neighborhoods filled with non-white people such as the South Bronx.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't intend for this to be an advertisement for people to move to Oregon ; I meant for this to be a correction for typical New York City think - that Los Angeles stretches from the 35th to 45th parallel , and the Canadian Border happens to have shifted from the 49th down to the 45th.In fact , it 's quite the opposite .
I agree with former Oregon Governor Tom McCall , who rather famously was quoted as saying " We want you to visit our State of Excitement often .
Come again and again .
But for heaven 's sake , do n't move here to live .
Or if you do have to move in to live , do n't tell any of your neighbors where you are going .
" Oh , and that whole Urban Growth Boundary thing , where we actually told Robert Moses to stuff it and cancelled freeways rather than cutting up neighborhoods filled with non-white people such as the South Bronx .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't intend for this to be an advertisement for people to move to Oregon; I meant for this to be a correction for typical New York City think - that Los Angeles stretches from the 35th to 45th parallel, and the Canadian Border happens to have shifted from the 49th down to the 45th.In fact, it's quite the opposite.
I agree with former Oregon Governor Tom McCall, who rather famously was quoted as saying "We want you to visit our State of Excitement often.
Come again and again.
But for heaven's sake, don't move here to live.
Or if you do have to move in to live, don't tell any of your neighbors where you are going.
"Oh, and that whole Urban Growth Boundary thing, where we actually told Robert Moses to stuff it and cancelled freeways rather than cutting up neighborhoods filled with non-white people such as the South Bronx.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378507</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Ritz\_Just\_Ritz</author>
	<datestamp>1245355920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Huh?  Relocate what people?  The article mentions that much of this property is already empty/abandoned.  Maintaining infrastructure to support large swaths of city that are relatively empty doesn't make a whole lot of sense.</p><p>One would think that people would not be fleeing "desirable" parts of town so I don't see any issue with the city "decommissioning" underutilized parcels of land and reallocating resources to areas where people actually want to live.</p><p>Surely, the squeaky clean politicians in that area don't have any plans to clue in their cronies to areas about to be decommissioned so that those folks can snap them up on the cheap and then sell them to the gummint at a profit?  Nah...</p><p>Best,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh ?
Relocate what people ?
The article mentions that much of this property is already empty/abandoned .
Maintaining infrastructure to support large swaths of city that are relatively empty does n't make a whole lot of sense.One would think that people would not be fleeing " desirable " parts of town so I do n't see any issue with the city " decommissioning " underutilized parcels of land and reallocating resources to areas where people actually want to live.Surely , the squeaky clean politicians in that area do n't have any plans to clue in their cronies to areas about to be decommissioned so that those folks can snap them up on the cheap and then sell them to the gummint at a profit ?
Nah...Best,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh?
Relocate what people?
The article mentions that much of this property is already empty/abandoned.
Maintaining infrastructure to support large swaths of city that are relatively empty doesn't make a whole lot of sense.One would think that people would not be fleeing "desirable" parts of town so I don't see any issue with the city "decommissioning" underutilized parcels of land and reallocating resources to areas where people actually want to live.Surely, the squeaky clean politicians in that area don't have any plans to clue in their cronies to areas about to be decommissioned so that those folks can snap them up on the cheap and then sell them to the gummint at a profit?
Nah...Best,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380533</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245319140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is artificial air conditioning bad? Even in the coldest parts of the country, during the summer it gets fucking hot. If you didn't have air conditioning, you would be whining like a bitch. Seriously. Air conditioning is electrically powered, so you can get all sorts of green energy sources to power it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is artificial air conditioning bad ?
Even in the coldest parts of the country , during the summer it gets fucking hot .
If you did n't have air conditioning , you would be whining like a bitch .
Seriously. Air conditioning is electrically powered , so you can get all sorts of green energy sources to power it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is artificial air conditioning bad?
Even in the coldest parts of the country, during the summer it gets fucking hot.
If you didn't have air conditioning, you would be whining like a bitch.
Seriously. Air conditioning is electrically powered, so you can get all sorts of green energy sources to power it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378919</id>
	<title>Camden, NJ</title>
	<author>IlluminatedOne</author>
	<datestamp>1245357060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hopefully, this will somewhat apply to the toilet that is Camden, NJ. More specifically, my hope is that 'razing huge sections' equates to 'extensive fire bombing'. I am not advocating loss of life or anything, but that whole area is in need of a reboot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hopefully , this will somewhat apply to the toilet that is Camden , NJ .
More specifically , my hope is that 'razing huge sections ' equates to 'extensive fire bombing' .
I am not advocating loss of life or anything , but that whole area is in need of a reboot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hopefully, this will somewhat apply to the toilet that is Camden, NJ.
More specifically, my hope is that 'razing huge sections' equates to 'extensive fire bombing'.
I am not advocating loss of life or anything, but that whole area is in need of a reboot.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378453</id>
	<title>Nothing new here...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245355800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, urban renewal, up to and including, bulldozing whole blocks out of existence is nothing new.   People move on from one area to another, and as long as we have some empty space (and yes, yes we do), it's not going to change.</p><p>Rome may be the Eternal City, but it has changed considerably.</p><p>Whether or not these specific plans are worthwhile, I decline to comment, but I see nothing unusual about these as they are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , urban renewal , up to and including , bulldozing whole blocks out of existence is nothing new .
People move on from one area to another , and as long as we have some empty space ( and yes , yes we do ) , it 's not going to change.Rome may be the Eternal City , but it has changed considerably.Whether or not these specific plans are worthwhile , I decline to comment , but I see nothing unusual about these as they are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, urban renewal, up to and including, bulldozing whole blocks out of existence is nothing new.
People move on from one area to another, and as long as we have some empty space (and yes, yes we do), it's not going to change.Rome may be the Eternal City, but it has changed considerably.Whether or not these specific plans are worthwhile, I decline to comment, but I see nothing unusual about these as they are.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379741</id>
	<title>Downtown Clearwater</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245316380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's about time they realised all those empty buildings owned by Scientology are better off demolished.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's about time they realised all those empty buildings owned by Scientology are better off demolished .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's about time they realised all those empty buildings owned by Scientology are better off demolished.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378121</id>
	<title>Detroit</title>
	<author>Nautical Insanity</author>
	<datestamp>1245354960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hearing this makes me think of Detroit. Its population is constantly shrinking and much of the city is in disrepair. I've ridden greyhound busses through it a few times and you pass mile after mile of boarded up, dilapidated buildings.</p><p>
It makes one wonder what the city would be like if it ended up being completely abandoned, sort of like Rome after the fall of the empire.
</p><p>
Most likely there would be a half-attempted cleanup effort, but it would probably fail. Demolishing buildings isn't cheap. Returning the land to it's natural state is even more expensive, not to mention nature would probably do it herself over a slightly longer time frame.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hearing this makes me think of Detroit .
Its population is constantly shrinking and much of the city is in disrepair .
I 've ridden greyhound busses through it a few times and you pass mile after mile of boarded up , dilapidated buildings .
It makes one wonder what the city would be like if it ended up being completely abandoned , sort of like Rome after the fall of the empire .
Most likely there would be a half-attempted cleanup effort , but it would probably fail .
Demolishing buildings is n't cheap .
Returning the land to it 's natural state is even more expensive , not to mention nature would probably do it herself over a slightly longer time frame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hearing this makes me think of Detroit.
Its population is constantly shrinking and much of the city is in disrepair.
I've ridden greyhound busses through it a few times and you pass mile after mile of boarded up, dilapidated buildings.
It makes one wonder what the city would be like if it ended up being completely abandoned, sort of like Rome after the fall of the empire.
Most likely there would be a half-attempted cleanup effort, but it would probably fail.
Demolishing buildings isn't cheap.
Returning the land to it's natural state is even more expensive, not to mention nature would probably do it herself over a slightly longer time frame.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378323</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>langelgjm</author>
	<datestamp>1245355440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Detroit (Homicide rate of 47.5\%</p></div><p>Wow! With that homicide rate, we don't even have to worry about razing the city, there'll be practically no one left in a few years anyway.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Detroit ( Homicide rate of 47.5 \ % Wow !
With that homicide rate , we do n't even have to worry about razing the city , there 'll be practically no one left in a few years anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Detroit (Homicide rate of 47.5\%Wow!
With that homicide rate, we don't even have to worry about razing the city, there'll be practically no one left in a few years anyway.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380203</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>Rycross</author>
	<datestamp>1245317820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It does if spending that money means you need less money from taxpayers in the first place.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does if spending that money means you need less money from taxpayers in the first place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It does if spending that money means you need less money from taxpayers in the first place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378857</id>
	<title>Re:Really a Shame</title>
	<author>amliebsch</author>
	<datestamp>1245356820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are two problems with your idea:</p><p>1. The huge manufacturing sectors that provided the kinds of low-wage, low-skill jobs that immigrant populations used to gobble up, have actually relocated to the former immigrants' home countries.</p><p>2. We would have to be willing to legally allow people to work low-wage, low-skill, dirty, dangerous jobs, and we don't really seem willing to do that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are two problems with your idea : 1 .
The huge manufacturing sectors that provided the kinds of low-wage , low-skill jobs that immigrant populations used to gobble up , have actually relocated to the former immigrants ' home countries.2 .
We would have to be willing to legally allow people to work low-wage , low-skill , dirty , dangerous jobs , and we do n't really seem willing to do that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are two problems with your idea:1.
The huge manufacturing sectors that provided the kinds of low-wage, low-skill jobs that immigrant populations used to gobble up, have actually relocated to the former immigrants' home countries.2.
We would have to be willing to legally allow people to work low-wage, low-skill, dirty, dangerous jobs, and we don't really seem willing to do that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381051</id>
	<title>Re:Dayton</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245321240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, sad.  My dad worked for NCR for about 30 years, so I got the daily account of the slow-motion clusterfuck to oblivion going on there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , sad .
My dad worked for NCR for about 30 years , so I got the daily account of the slow-motion clusterfuck to oblivion going on there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, sad.
My dad worked for NCR for about 30 years, so I got the daily account of the slow-motion clusterfuck to oblivion going on there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380147</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245317580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not to question your math.  but to question your math,  110,000 people in 34 square miles is 95 people per square mile.  110,000 / 34^2  = 95.</p><p>So if LA has 7,000 people then it's around 700 times more dense than little ole Flint which must have been one of the countries most sprawling cities, or if not is certainly now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not to question your math .
but to question your math , 110,000 people in 34 square miles is 95 people per square mile .
110,000 / 34 ^ 2 = 95.So if LA has 7,000 people then it 's around 700 times more dense than little ole Flint which must have been one of the countries most sprawling cities , or if not is certainly now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not to question your math.
but to question your math,  110,000 people in 34 square miles is 95 people per square mile.
110,000 / 34^2  = 95.So if LA has 7,000 people then it's around 700 times more dense than little ole Flint which must have been one of the countries most sprawling cities, or if not is certainly now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383857</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245333900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you mean<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com?<br>Because that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.org is just a parked domain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you mean .com ? Because that .org is just a parked domain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you mean .com?Because that .org is just a parked domain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378741</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245356580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the article.  They're buying up <b>abandoned</b> property.  Because we're smart kids we know 'abandoned' means that no one lives there.  Therefor no one will be relocated.<br> <br>
Also they're bulldozing the land and offering to sell it to neighbors for cheap on the outskirts of town, and restoring the properties near downtown, in an effort to get people to willingly move closer together.<br> <br>
In most cases that means that they're bulldozing the suburbs (property on the outskirts) and restoring the ghettos (inner city housing).</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article .
They 're buying up abandoned property .
Because we 're smart kids we know 'abandoned ' means that no one lives there .
Therefor no one will be relocated .
Also they 're bulldozing the land and offering to sell it to neighbors for cheap on the outskirts of town , and restoring the properties near downtown , in an effort to get people to willingly move closer together .
In most cases that means that they 're bulldozing the suburbs ( property on the outskirts ) and restoring the ghettos ( inner city housing ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article.
They're buying up abandoned property.
Because we're smart kids we know 'abandoned' means that no one lives there.
Therefor no one will be relocated.
Also they're bulldozing the land and offering to sell it to neighbors for cheap on the outskirts of town, and restoring the properties near downtown, in an effort to get people to willingly move closer together.
In most cases that means that they're bulldozing the suburbs (property on the outskirts) and restoring the ghettos (inner city housing).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382137</id>
	<title>Re:Detroit</title>
	<author>Dark\_Gravity</author>
	<datestamp>1245325800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Detroit seems to be the wisest place to begin with. High crime, lost Stanley cup, agony of the car companies. Let Sillicon Valley become the new city for car makers. Li-Ion rules!</p></div><p>Detroit Li-Ions?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Detroit seems to be the wisest place to begin with .
High crime , lost Stanley cup , agony of the car companies .
Let Sillicon Valley become the new city for car makers .
Li-Ion rules ! Detroit Li-Ions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Detroit seems to be the wisest place to begin with.
High crime, lost Stanley cup, agony of the car companies.
Let Sillicon Valley become the new city for car makers.
Li-Ion rules!Detroit Li-Ions?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378249</id>
	<title>Make some money as well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245355260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rent them out to Israeli army for training purposes.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rent them out to Israeli army for training purposes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rent them out to Israeli army for training purposes.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378445</id>
	<title>Re:Create parks inside the cities</title>
	<author>saintlupus</author>
	<datestamp>1245355800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do people assume that parks have some naturally elevating and edifying effect on the populace?</p><p>Urban planners come up with these ridiculous tower project designs straight out of "City of Tomorrow", to maximize green space. And in a bad neighborhood, the first thing you're told is to stay out of the park after dark. Bizarre.</p><p>--saint</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do people assume that parks have some naturally elevating and edifying effect on the populace ? Urban planners come up with these ridiculous tower project designs straight out of " City of Tomorrow " , to maximize green space .
And in a bad neighborhood , the first thing you 're told is to stay out of the park after dark .
Bizarre.--saint</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do people assume that parks have some naturally elevating and edifying effect on the populace?Urban planners come up with these ridiculous tower project designs straight out of "City of Tomorrow", to maximize green space.
And in a bad neighborhood, the first thing you're told is to stay out of the park after dark.
Bizarre.--saint</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384209</id>
	<title>Re:Your house without you</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1245336120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only real difference between sustainable technologies and cancerous growth is that the plan for obsolescence includes the needs of the many, not just the wants of the few.</p></div><p>Your attitude can be summed up in the following <a href="http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2003/2/10/161937/861/9#9" title="kuro5hin.org">immortal words</a> [kuro5hin.org]:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>We're placing this wood in your ass for the good of the world.</p></div><p>So as long as there's a "plan" for including the "needs of the many", that is, I go limply through the motions of pretending to follow the moral fad of the day, cancerous growth is ok. I think I'll pledge to bury quickly any peasants I run over while I'm bulldozing land for my real estate projects. Consideration for others? Check! Just think how close I was to being a cancerous growth while blatantly pursuing my obsession for wealth and power! Now, I'm "sustainable", whatever the hell that means.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only real difference between sustainable technologies and cancerous growth is that the plan for obsolescence includes the needs of the many , not just the wants of the few.Your attitude can be summed up in the following immortal words [ kuro5hin.org ] : We 're placing this wood in your ass for the good of the world.So as long as there 's a " plan " for including the " needs of the many " , that is , I go limply through the motions of pretending to follow the moral fad of the day , cancerous growth is ok. I think I 'll pledge to bury quickly any peasants I run over while I 'm bulldozing land for my real estate projects .
Consideration for others ?
Check ! Just think how close I was to being a cancerous growth while blatantly pursuing my obsession for wealth and power !
Now , I 'm " sustainable " , whatever the hell that means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only real difference between sustainable technologies and cancerous growth is that the plan for obsolescence includes the needs of the many, not just the wants of the few.Your attitude can be summed up in the following immortal words [kuro5hin.org]:We're placing this wood in your ass for the good of the world.So as long as there's a "plan" for including the "needs of the many", that is, I go limply through the motions of pretending to follow the moral fad of the day, cancerous growth is ok. I think I'll pledge to bury quickly any peasants I run over while I'm bulldozing land for my real estate projects.
Consideration for others?
Check! Just think how close I was to being a cancerous growth while blatantly pursuing my obsession for wealth and power!
Now, I'm "sustainable", whatever the hell that means.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378859</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379925</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>Trahloc</author>
	<datestamp>1245316980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You do realize that its more efficient to demolish an old building that is costing you money to maintain than to pay for it year after year after year?  That's what we're talking about, not digging holes and then filling them up.  This is the part of maintenance that most people don't think about, the 'throwing away' part.  While I hate the green movement in many ways I can't but respect them for forcing people to acknowledge that waste management is an integral part of modern society, a part you seem to be forgetting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do realize that its more efficient to demolish an old building that is costing you money to maintain than to pay for it year after year after year ?
That 's what we 're talking about , not digging holes and then filling them up .
This is the part of maintenance that most people do n't think about , the 'throwing away ' part .
While I hate the green movement in many ways I ca n't but respect them for forcing people to acknowledge that waste management is an integral part of modern society , a part you seem to be forgetting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do realize that its more efficient to demolish an old building that is costing you money to maintain than to pay for it year after year after year?
That's what we're talking about, not digging holes and then filling them up.
This is the part of maintenance that most people don't think about, the 'throwing away' part.
While I hate the green movement in many ways I can't but respect them for forcing people to acknowledge that waste management is an integral part of modern society, a part you seem to be forgetting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380937</id>
	<title>Re:Tent Cities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245320760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>drive through North Las Vegas, hundreds of homeless in tents just hanging out</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>drive through North Las Vegas , hundreds of homeless in tents just hanging out</tokentext>
<sentencetext>drive through North Las Vegas, hundreds of homeless in tents just hanging out</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379729</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245316320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been to Ohio.  It's going to take a lot more than a little urban renewal for me to move there.</p><p>I'm thinking that Ohio's best chance of becoming a Mecca of population growth will be after WWIII due to every major enemy forgetting that it existed, thus ensuring safety from the nuclear holocaust.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been to Ohio .
It 's going to take a lot more than a little urban renewal for me to move there.I 'm thinking that Ohio 's best chance of becoming a Mecca of population growth will be after WWIII due to every major enemy forgetting that it existed , thus ensuring safety from the nuclear holocaust .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been to Ohio.
It's going to take a lot more than a little urban renewal for me to move there.I'm thinking that Ohio's best chance of becoming a Mecca of population growth will be after WWIII due to every major enemy forgetting that it existed, thus ensuring safety from the nuclear holocaust.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381269</id>
	<title>Portland Oregon</title>
	<author>jwhitener</author>
	<datestamp>1245322080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Living in Portland, I can attest to our zeal in creating very friendly urban centers.  Many young professional couples choose to live in tightly packed neighborhoods along our MAX line (public trans train).</p><p>The biggest issue with reviving urban cores, sprucing things up and encouraging people to move in to the center instead of out, is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentrification</p><p>Home prices in traditionally low cost areas have skyrocketed.  So in addition to making the property tax, home price, etc.. too much for low paid workers, you also cut off their ability to use the public transportation.  They are now the ones living way outside of town and having to drive in for work.</p><p>And given that, on average, these urban renewal projects occur in pre-dominantly minority neighborhoods, makes for a pretty racially charged environment at times.  This rarely takes the form of violence though.  Moreso, you'll see minority neighborhoods vigorously campaigning against being the focus of a "renewal".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Living in Portland , I can attest to our zeal in creating very friendly urban centers .
Many young professional couples choose to live in tightly packed neighborhoods along our MAX line ( public trans train ) .The biggest issue with reviving urban cores , sprucing things up and encouraging people to move in to the center instead of out , is http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GentrificationHome prices in traditionally low cost areas have skyrocketed .
So in addition to making the property tax , home price , etc.. too much for low paid workers , you also cut off their ability to use the public transportation .
They are now the ones living way outside of town and having to drive in for work.And given that , on average , these urban renewal projects occur in pre-dominantly minority neighborhoods , makes for a pretty racially charged environment at times .
This rarely takes the form of violence though .
Moreso , you 'll see minority neighborhoods vigorously campaigning against being the focus of a " renewal " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Living in Portland, I can attest to our zeal in creating very friendly urban centers.
Many young professional couples choose to live in tightly packed neighborhoods along our MAX line (public trans train).The biggest issue with reviving urban cores, sprucing things up and encouraging people to move in to the center instead of out, is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GentrificationHome prices in traditionally low cost areas have skyrocketed.
So in addition to making the property tax, home price, etc.. too much for low paid workers, you also cut off their ability to use the public transportation.
They are now the ones living way outside of town and having to drive in for work.And given that, on average, these urban renewal projects occur in pre-dominantly minority neighborhoods, makes for a pretty racially charged environment at times.
This rarely takes the form of violence though.
Moreso, you'll see minority neighborhoods vigorously campaigning against being the focus of a "renewal".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383597</id>
	<title>Growth is finite</title>
	<author>kazagistar</author>
	<datestamp>1245332400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Isn't it interesting how the only "good" state to be in is growth? Lets think about this... the Earth is finite. That means, eventually, growth has to stop. If we want to continue to advance civilization, we have to replace, but maintain stability.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't it interesting how the only " good " state to be in is growth ?
Lets think about this... the Earth is finite .
That means , eventually , growth has to stop .
If we want to continue to advance civilization , we have to replace , but maintain stability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't it interesting how the only "good" state to be in is growth?
Lets think about this... the Earth is finite.
That means, eventually, growth has to stop.
If we want to continue to advance civilization, we have to replace, but maintain stability.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385211</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Eil</author>
	<datestamp>1245345120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences. Would it decay as some predict?. Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl, but thats nothing like American conditions such as weather etc.. and a 2nd city to compare how nature adapts to part or even a whole city without humans around would be fascinating.</p></div></blockquote><p>Large sections of Detroit have been like this for 10 years, so you don't have to go very far. Yes, there is <i>some</i> human influence in these areas (traffic, vandalism, fires, etc) but there certainly is no such thing as maintenance or improvement to these properties.</p><p>One of the saddest things I've seen was a gigantic brick-and-stone train station with beautiful architecture that looked like it hadn't been touched in 50 years, except of course to replace the wood boarding up the windows and update the graffiti. Something like this should be a museum or a landmark, but I guess no matter how beautiful a building is, if it's on the trashed side of town, then it's effectively worthless.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences .
Would it decay as some predict ? .
Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living ?
... The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl , but thats nothing like American conditions such as weather etc.. and a 2nd city to compare how nature adapts to part or even a whole city without humans around would be fascinating.Large sections of Detroit have been like this for 10 years , so you do n't have to go very far .
Yes , there is some human influence in these areas ( traffic , vandalism , fires , etc ) but there certainly is no such thing as maintenance or improvement to these properties.One of the saddest things I 've seen was a gigantic brick-and-stone train station with beautiful architecture that looked like it had n't been touched in 50 years , except of course to replace the wood boarding up the windows and update the graffiti .
Something like this should be a museum or a landmark , but I guess no matter how beautiful a building is , if it 's on the trashed side of town , then it 's effectively worthless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences.
Would it decay as some predict?.
Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living?
... The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl, but thats nothing like American conditions such as weather etc.. and a 2nd city to compare how nature adapts to part or even a whole city without humans around would be fascinating.Large sections of Detroit have been like this for 10 years, so you don't have to go very far.
Yes, there is some human influence in these areas (traffic, vandalism, fires, etc) but there certainly is no such thing as maintenance or improvement to these properties.One of the saddest things I've seen was a gigantic brick-and-stone train station with beautiful architecture that looked like it hadn't been touched in 50 years, except of course to replace the wood boarding up the windows and update the graffiti.
Something like this should be a museum or a landmark, but I guess no matter how beautiful a building is, if it's on the trashed side of town, then it's effectively worthless.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384899</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>telomerewhythere</author>
	<datestamp>1245341220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Both of which also have large ghetto type areas which house hundreds of people who I'm sure that most of us here wouldn't want living in our backyards.</p></div><p>
And</p><p><div class="quote"><p>How this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me. It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.</p></div><p>
If you need to get something off your chest, by all means...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Both of which also have large ghetto type areas which house hundreds of people who I 'm sure that most of us here would n't want living in our backyards .
AndHow this is n't considered " ethnically cleansing " cities is beyond me .
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups .
If you need to get something off your chest , by all means.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both of which also have large ghetto type areas which house hundreds of people who I'm sure that most of us here wouldn't want living in our backyards.
AndHow this isn't considered "ethnically cleansing" cities is beyond me.
It seems as if the only people who would be affected negatively would be minority groups.
If you need to get something off your chest, by all means...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385769</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Decay?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245350700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>More public services in a smaller area, better public transportation, etc.</i> </p><p>All you idiotic "high-density, no-need-for-cars, easiest-to-serve" morons have no answer at all as to why the areas that meet all those criteria are -- the fucking projects -- where we warehouse all the poor people.</p><p>Fucking blind idiots!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More public services in a smaller area , better public transportation , etc .
All you idiotic " high-density , no-need-for-cars , easiest-to-serve " morons have no answer at all as to why the areas that meet all those criteria are -- the fucking projects -- where we warehouse all the poor people.Fucking blind idiots !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More public services in a smaller area, better public transportation, etc.
All you idiotic "high-density, no-need-for-cars, easiest-to-serve" morons have no answer at all as to why the areas that meet all those criteria are -- the fucking projects -- where we warehouse all the poor people.Fucking blind idiots!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378461</id>
	<title>there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1245355860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTFA:</p><p><i>"Much of the land will be given back to nature. People will enjoy living near a forest or meadow," he said.</i></p><p>take older rust belt cities and remove the suburban sprawl surrounding them and prune them down to their urban core, and then you have a city layout from the days before the rise of the automobile</p><p>as gas prices continue to rise, urban development plans will favor this model of development: tightly clustered cities with good public transportation, surrounded by parkland. a much more humane and livable environment. places like phoenix and las vegas and houston, nothing more than giant sprawling suburbs really, will become inhospitable to affordable living while rust belt cities will develop a new cachet as nice places to live: condos and coops in refurbished historical buildings surrounded by healthy woodlands, with easy public transport or foot traffic to anywhere you want to and need to go</p><p>of course this cachet of "nice place to live" also has to imply some sort of job growth too, but as these rust belt cities shrink, they have ample opportunity to invest in emerging job sectors to bolster that sort of growth</p><p>then the choice between sitting in your car in a traffic jam on the freeway at $4/ gallon gasoline in 105 degree phoenix won't look as nice as walking the charming old refurbished downtowns of historic cities. these old cities have good bones, they just need to be pruned and invested a little in, and natural growth will take hold again</p><p>notice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing: pittsburgh. yet pittsburgh is pretty much a poster child of a rust belt city. why? good planning for investing in future job sectors:</p><p><a href="http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s\_612352.html" title="pittsburghlive.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s\_612352.html</a> [pittsburghlive.com]</p><p>now compare pittsburgh's sober but cheerful outlook to the armageddeon-level job losses at work in the newer suburban sprawl cities that relied too much on overheated sectors like construction</p><p>detroit and flint and any other city heavily dependent on automobile manufacturing, alas, has a different story than pittsburgh. but this part of the larger picture at play here: the death of the automobile, the death of suburban sprawl, the return to small compact cities with a livable core surrounded by healthy woodland and with good public transportation</p><p>i for one welcome the death of the age of the automobile and the idiotic environmental damage of gas guzzling automobiles and space wasting burbs, and the inhumane anonymity of living in the isolating mcmansions and sitting in traffic jams, in areas of the country no one can survive in without artificial air conditioning</p><p>death to california</p><p>long live ohio</p><p>mark my words: the 1950s trend of everyone moving west will be replaced in 2025 by stories of everyone out west moving to the midwest belt</p><p>for the same reason: better quality of life</p><p>mark my words</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTFA : " Much of the land will be given back to nature .
People will enjoy living near a forest or meadow , " he said.take older rust belt cities and remove the suburban sprawl surrounding them and prune them down to their urban core , and then you have a city layout from the days before the rise of the automobileas gas prices continue to rise , urban development plans will favor this model of development : tightly clustered cities with good public transportation , surrounded by parkland .
a much more humane and livable environment .
places like phoenix and las vegas and houston , nothing more than giant sprawling suburbs really , will become inhospitable to affordable living while rust belt cities will develop a new cachet as nice places to live : condos and coops in refurbished historical buildings surrounded by healthy woodlands , with easy public transport or foot traffic to anywhere you want to and need to goof course this cachet of " nice place to live " also has to imply some sort of job growth too , but as these rust belt cities shrink , they have ample opportunity to invest in emerging job sectors to bolster that sort of growththen the choice between sitting in your car in a traffic jam on the freeway at $ 4/ gallon gasoline in 105 degree phoenix wo n't look as nice as walking the charming old refurbished downtowns of historic cities .
these old cities have good bones , they just need to be pruned and invested a little in , and natural growth will take hold againnotice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing : pittsburgh .
yet pittsburgh is pretty much a poster child of a rust belt city .
why ? good planning for investing in future job sectors : http : //www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s \ _612352.html [ pittsburghlive.com ] now compare pittsburgh 's sober but cheerful outlook to the armageddeon-level job losses at work in the newer suburban sprawl cities that relied too much on overheated sectors like constructiondetroit and flint and any other city heavily dependent on automobile manufacturing , alas , has a different story than pittsburgh .
but this part of the larger picture at play here : the death of the automobile , the death of suburban sprawl , the return to small compact cities with a livable core surrounded by healthy woodland and with good public transportationi for one welcome the death of the age of the automobile and the idiotic environmental damage of gas guzzling automobiles and space wasting burbs , and the inhumane anonymity of living in the isolating mcmansions and sitting in traffic jams , in areas of the country no one can survive in without artificial air conditioningdeath to californialong live ohiomark my words : the 1950s trend of everyone moving west will be replaced in 2025 by stories of everyone out west moving to the midwest beltfor the same reason : better quality of lifemark my words</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTFA:"Much of the land will be given back to nature.
People will enjoy living near a forest or meadow," he said.take older rust belt cities and remove the suburban sprawl surrounding them and prune them down to their urban core, and then you have a city layout from the days before the rise of the automobileas gas prices continue to rise, urban development plans will favor this model of development: tightly clustered cities with good public transportation, surrounded by parkland.
a much more humane and livable environment.
places like phoenix and las vegas and houston, nothing more than giant sprawling suburbs really, will become inhospitable to affordable living while rust belt cities will develop a new cachet as nice places to live: condos and coops in refurbished historical buildings surrounded by healthy woodlands, with easy public transport or foot traffic to anywhere you want to and need to goof course this cachet of "nice place to live" also has to imply some sort of job growth too, but as these rust belt cities shrink, they have ample opportunity to invest in emerging job sectors to bolster that sort of growththen the choice between sitting in your car in a traffic jam on the freeway at $4/ gallon gasoline in 105 degree phoenix won't look as nice as walking the charming old refurbished downtowns of historic cities.
these old cities have good bones, they just need to be pruned and invested a little in, and natural growth will take hold againnotice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing: pittsburgh.
yet pittsburgh is pretty much a poster child of a rust belt city.
why? good planning for investing in future job sectors:http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s\_612352.html [pittsburghlive.com]now compare pittsburgh's sober but cheerful outlook to the armageddeon-level job losses at work in the newer suburban sprawl cities that relied too much on overheated sectors like constructiondetroit and flint and any other city heavily dependent on automobile manufacturing, alas, has a different story than pittsburgh.
but this part of the larger picture at play here: the death of the automobile, the death of suburban sprawl, the return to small compact cities with a livable core surrounded by healthy woodland and with good public transportationi for one welcome the death of the age of the automobile and the idiotic environmental damage of gas guzzling automobiles and space wasting burbs, and the inhumane anonymity of living in the isolating mcmansions and sitting in traffic jams, in areas of the country no one can survive in without artificial air conditioningdeath to californialong live ohiomark my words: the 1950s trend of everyone moving west will be replaced in 2025 by stories of everyone out west moving to the midwest beltfor the same reason: better quality of lifemark my words</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383455</id>
	<title>Re:Fantastic</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1245331680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That would take a population that wasn't allergic to manual labor and would actually work for a living. Some parts of the US are like that, but we've gone through some major cultural shifts that give people a sense of entitlement to things rather than a connection between work and reward.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That would take a population that was n't allergic to manual labor and would actually work for a living .
Some parts of the US are like that , but we 've gone through some major cultural shifts that give people a sense of entitlement to things rather than a connection between work and reward .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would take a population that wasn't allergic to manual labor and would actually work for a living.
Some parts of the US are like that, but we've gone through some major cultural shifts that give people a sense of entitlement to things rather than a connection between work and reward.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379095</id>
	<title>Re:Detroit</title>
	<author>Ogive17</author>
	<datestamp>1245357660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They aren't going to build the production facilities in Sillicon Valley, costs are way too high.  Maybe the company HQ will be there, but the MFG will probably stay in the mid-west where land is plentiful and cheap and the cost of living is much lower.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are n't going to build the production facilities in Sillicon Valley , costs are way too high .
Maybe the company HQ will be there , but the MFG will probably stay in the mid-west where land is plentiful and cheap and the cost of living is much lower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They aren't going to build the production facilities in Sillicon Valley, costs are way too high.
Maybe the company HQ will be there, but the MFG will probably stay in the mid-west where land is plentiful and cheap and the cost of living is much lower.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379189</id>
	<title>While I can...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245357960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I can see the merit of this from the perspective of the city having to deal with the upkeep of such lands, my mind keeps coming back to the idea that this is more a move to increase, or bolster, declining property values by simply adjusting supply in regards to demand.</p><p>Is this a move on the part of the "haves" trying to maintain the value of property that they will be selling/renting to the "have-nots"?</p><p>Despite the common-sense this proposal appears to be based on, I cannot seem to shake the feeling that this may not be in the best interests of those most hurt by the current recession. Sure, maybe this will free up tax dollars for more important programs, but will it drive up rent prices and nullify any savings for the low-income familys? Will those freed-up tax dollars simply be spent on rent subsidies?</p><p>The one good thing in all this, something I have no doubt about, is the return to nature. Now, THAT is something I have a hard time finding fault with.</p><p>All in all, maybe we should give it a little more time to examine the long-term results of this plan before throwing the rest of the country into 'dozer mode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I can see the merit of this from the perspective of the city having to deal with the upkeep of such lands , my mind keeps coming back to the idea that this is more a move to increase , or bolster , declining property values by simply adjusting supply in regards to demand.Is this a move on the part of the " haves " trying to maintain the value of property that they will be selling/renting to the " have-nots " ? Despite the common-sense this proposal appears to be based on , I can not seem to shake the feeling that this may not be in the best interests of those most hurt by the current recession .
Sure , maybe this will free up tax dollars for more important programs , but will it drive up rent prices and nullify any savings for the low-income familys ?
Will those freed-up tax dollars simply be spent on rent subsidies ? The one good thing in all this , something I have no doubt about , is the return to nature .
Now , THAT is something I have a hard time finding fault with.All in all , maybe we should give it a little more time to examine the long-term results of this plan before throwing the rest of the country into 'dozer mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I can see the merit of this from the perspective of the city having to deal with the upkeep of such lands, my mind keeps coming back to the idea that this is more a move to increase, or bolster, declining property values by simply adjusting supply in regards to demand.Is this a move on the part of the "haves" trying to maintain the value of property that they will be selling/renting to the "have-nots"?Despite the common-sense this proposal appears to be based on, I cannot seem to shake the feeling that this may not be in the best interests of those most hurt by the current recession.
Sure, maybe this will free up tax dollars for more important programs, but will it drive up rent prices and nullify any savings for the low-income familys?
Will those freed-up tax dollars simply be spent on rent subsidies?The one good thing in all this, something I have no doubt about, is the return to nature.
Now, THAT is something I have a hard time finding fault with.All in all, maybe we should give it a little more time to examine the long-term results of this plan before throwing the rest of the country into 'dozer mode.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378505</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245355920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're scared of people, then I guess that could all be a problem. <br>
&nbsp; <br>Can't have those blacks and Mexican living near me! Gotta build a house on the outskirts of town where everyone has the same economic status that I do!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're scared of people , then I guess that could all be a problem .
  Ca n't have those blacks and Mexican living near me !
Got ta build a house on the outskirts of town where everyone has the same economic status that I do !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're scared of people, then I guess that could all be a problem.
  Can't have those blacks and Mexican living near me!
Gotta build a house on the outskirts of town where everyone has the same economic status that I do!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385619</id>
	<title>Re:Dayton</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1245349140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And they should really sorry to see a company go who, intentionally not telling the locals they were leaving, told the newspaper where they were moving to about the "new facility".</p><p>That paper, of course, was owned by the same company that owns the Dayton Daily News, which is currently housed in an NCR building and had noticed the moving trucks in the parking lot. 1+1=2</p><p>Yup.  Lot of bright people at NCR.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And they should really sorry to see a company go who , intentionally not telling the locals they were leaving , told the newspaper where they were moving to about the " new facility " .That paper , of course , was owned by the same company that owns the Dayton Daily News , which is currently housed in an NCR building and had noticed the moving trucks in the parking lot .
1 + 1 = 2Yup. Lot of bright people at NCR .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And they should really sorry to see a company go who, intentionally not telling the locals they were leaving, told the newspaper where they were moving to about the "new facility".That paper, of course, was owned by the same company that owns the Dayton Daily News, which is currently housed in an NCR building and had noticed the moving trucks in the parking lot.
1+1=2Yup.  Lot of bright people at NCR.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380045</id>
	<title>Re:Create parks inside the cities</title>
	<author>Trahloc</author>
	<datestamp>1245317340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cause its purrrrdy during the day and the quick access to hookers and drugs at night make living a drone life livable?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cause its purrrrdy during the day and the quick access to hookers and drugs at night make living a drone life livable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cause its purrrrdy during the day and the quick access to hookers and drugs at night make living a drone life livable?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28397333</id>
	<title>Re:concentration camps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245414300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>of course not, everythings fine. have you loved your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.gov today?<br>
&nbsp; here's one peice of the scheme</p><p>http://www.access-advocates.org/issues.htm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>of course not , everythings fine .
have you loved your .gov today ?
  here 's one peice of the schemehttp : //www.access-advocates.org/issues.htm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of course not, everythings fine.
have you loved your .gov today?
  here's one peice of the schemehttp://www.access-advocates.org/issues.htm</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28388505</id>
	<title>Re:better idea</title>
	<author>bjb</author>
	<datestamp>1245420180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>(semi-oblig Escape From New York quote)
<p>
Snake! I thought they said you were dead?
</p><p>
(sorry)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( semi-oblig Escape From New York quote ) Snake !
I thought they said you were dead ?
( sorry )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(semi-oblig Escape From New York quote)

Snake!
I thought they said you were dead?
(sorry)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380133</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245317520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Shame too, because it's a surprisingly nice place to live when it isn't winter</i></p><p>Yeah, I've been there, and I gotta say, those three days are <i>awesome</i>.  I hear summer falls on a Saturday this year so the Alaskans should be happy!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Shame too , because it 's a surprisingly nice place to live when it is n't winterYeah , I 've been there , and I got ta say , those three days are awesome .
I hear summer falls on a Saturday this year so the Alaskans should be happy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shame too, because it's a surprisingly nice place to live when it isn't winterYeah, I've been there, and I gotta say, those three days are awesome.
I hear summer falls on a Saturday this year so the Alaskans should be happy!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379465</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1245358740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, it's 45.7 per 100,000 people (i.e. 0.0457\%).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it 's 45.7 per 100,000 people ( i.e .
0.0457 \ % ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, it's 45.7 per 100,000 people (i.e.
0.0457\%).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380365</id>
	<title>Re:Fantastic</title>
	<author>LordKazan</author>
	<datestamp>1245318420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they parks are paying for themselves (most likely) then shutting them down is just plain stupid.  But then again you have a movie star known for having big muscles as a governor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they parks are paying for themselves ( most likely ) then shutting them down is just plain stupid .
But then again you have a movie star known for having big muscles as a governor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they parks are paying for themselves (most likely) then shutting them down is just plain stupid.
But then again you have a movie star known for having big muscles as a governor.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379601</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379823</id>
	<title>Better places in Ohio to run a bulldozer</title>
	<author>Weaselmancer</author>
	<datestamp>1245316560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are better places in Ohio to run a bulldozer.  Youngstown would be a good pick.  We could do without most of the East side of Cleveland too.  Parts of downtown Akron where the rubber plants pulled out.  Those wouldn't be missed.  They'd make nice parks.

</p><p>I can think of a few malls that should go too.  <a href="http://www.deadmalls.com/malls/rolling\_acres\_mall.html" title="deadmalls.com">Rolling Acres in Akron tops that list.</a> [deadmalls.com]  It looks like something out of Fallout 3.  I had to go in there once last year to talk to the last remaining business in the whole place - a Jackson Hewitt office.  It really did look like something after Judgement Day.

</p><p>The Flats in Cleveland could go too.  The Flats are as dead as Elvis.  Knock them down and plant trees.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are better places in Ohio to run a bulldozer .
Youngstown would be a good pick .
We could do without most of the East side of Cleveland too .
Parts of downtown Akron where the rubber plants pulled out .
Those would n't be missed .
They 'd make nice parks .
I can think of a few malls that should go too .
Rolling Acres in Akron tops that list .
[ deadmalls.com ] It looks like something out of Fallout 3 .
I had to go in there once last year to talk to the last remaining business in the whole place - a Jackson Hewitt office .
It really did look like something after Judgement Day .
The Flats in Cleveland could go too .
The Flats are as dead as Elvis .
Knock them down and plant trees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are better places in Ohio to run a bulldozer.
Youngstown would be a good pick.
We could do without most of the East side of Cleveland too.
Parts of downtown Akron where the rubber plants pulled out.
Those wouldn't be missed.
They'd make nice parks.
I can think of a few malls that should go too.
Rolling Acres in Akron tops that list.
[deadmalls.com]  It looks like something out of Fallout 3.
I had to go in there once last year to talk to the last remaining business in the whole place - a Jackson Hewitt office.
It really did look like something after Judgement Day.
The Flats in Cleveland could go too.
The Flats are as dead as Elvis.
Knock them down and plant trees.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378259</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>Ironica</author>
	<datestamp>1245355260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The article mentions Baltimore, which makes sense. If you've ever visited some of the, shall we say, less popular portions of that city, you'll find block after block of boarded-up rowhouses.</p></div><p>But if they tear those down, where will Marlo Stanfield's crew hide the bodies?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article mentions Baltimore , which makes sense .
If you 've ever visited some of the , shall we say , less popular portions of that city , you 'll find block after block of boarded-up rowhouses.But if they tear those down , where will Marlo Stanfield 's crew hide the bodies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article mentions Baltimore, which makes sense.
If you've ever visited some of the, shall we say, less popular portions of that city, you'll find block after block of boarded-up rowhouses.But if they tear those down, where will Marlo Stanfield's crew hide the bodies?
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380093</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Decay?</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1245317460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Here I thought we were supposed to encourage people to move back into cities so high population densities would make mass transit more viable. Silly me.</i></p><p>In many ways this project allows people to start afresh. Would you want to build a house in area that is surrounded by boarded up houses? With this project you either find yourself in the countryside, as the other houses around you are demolished, or find yourself with plenty of land to start from scratch with.</p><p>If you decide you do accept to move, then there is possibility of being moved to the new centre.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here I thought we were supposed to encourage people to move back into cities so high population densities would make mass transit more viable .
Silly me.In many ways this project allows people to start afresh .
Would you want to build a house in area that is surrounded by boarded up houses ?
With this project you either find yourself in the countryside , as the other houses around you are demolished , or find yourself with plenty of land to start from scratch with.If you decide you do accept to move , then there is possibility of being moved to the new centre .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here I thought we were supposed to encourage people to move back into cities so high population densities would make mass transit more viable.
Silly me.In many ways this project allows people to start afresh.
Would you want to build a house in area that is surrounded by boarded up houses?
With this project you either find yourself in the countryside, as the other houses around you are demolished, or find yourself with plenty of land to start from scratch with.If you decide you do accept to move, then there is possibility of being moved to the new centre.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378123</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380191</id>
	<title>Re:Create parks inside the cities</title>
	<author>nausea\_malvarma</author>
	<datestamp>1245317760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because its shown that people become depressed without spending time outdoors. Because its shown that people become depressed looking at concrete all day without trees. Because in general, people like places where you can experience peace and quiet and escape to nature. Because parks promote exercise, and places with parks have lower rates of obesity. Because parks are fun, and usually safe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because its shown that people become depressed without spending time outdoors .
Because its shown that people become depressed looking at concrete all day without trees .
Because in general , people like places where you can experience peace and quiet and escape to nature .
Because parks promote exercise , and places with parks have lower rates of obesity .
Because parks are fun , and usually safe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because its shown that people become depressed without spending time outdoors.
Because its shown that people become depressed looking at concrete all day without trees.
Because in general, people like places where you can experience peace and quiet and escape to nature.
Because parks promote exercise, and places with parks have lower rates of obesity.
Because parks are fun, and usually safe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378445</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381233</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245321900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences. Would it decay as some predict?. Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl...</p></div><p>Actually, there is also the town called <a href="http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/000985.html" title="michaeltotten.com" rel="nofollow">Varosha</a> [michaeltotten.com] in Cyprus. It was being built up by the Greek Cypriots as a resort town right before war broke out . The Turks ended up controlling it, the Greek Cypriots fled, and the Turks wrapped it in barbed wire and didn't let anyone in. Apparently, the Turks thought the newly finished hotels would be a valuable bargaining chip in the upcoming negotiations. Of course, there were no negotiations and 30 years later the town is still empty and gradually being reclaimed by nature.</p><p>There's a cool book called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/World-Without-Us-Alan-Weisman/dp/0312347294" title="amazon.com" rel="nofollow">The World Without Us</a> [amazon.com] that goes in detail into what would happen if all humans suddenly disappeared (it's nonfiction). The book talks about Varosha, among other things.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences .
Would it decay as some predict ? .
Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living ?
... The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl...Actually , there is also the town called Varosha [ michaeltotten.com ] in Cyprus .
It was being built up by the Greek Cypriots as a resort town right before war broke out .
The Turks ended up controlling it , the Greek Cypriots fled , and the Turks wrapped it in barbed wire and did n't let anyone in .
Apparently , the Turks thought the newly finished hotels would be a valuable bargaining chip in the upcoming negotiations .
Of course , there were no negotiations and 30 years later the town is still empty and gradually being reclaimed by nature.There 's a cool book called The World Without Us [ amazon.com ] that goes in detail into what would happen if all humans suddenly disappeared ( it 's nonfiction ) .
The book talks about Varosha , among other things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences.
Would it decay as some predict?.
Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living?
... The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl...Actually, there is also the town called Varosha [michaeltotten.com] in Cyprus.
It was being built up by the Greek Cypriots as a resort town right before war broke out .
The Turks ended up controlling it, the Greek Cypriots fled, and the Turks wrapped it in barbed wire and didn't let anyone in.
Apparently, the Turks thought the newly finished hotels would be a valuable bargaining chip in the upcoming negotiations.
Of course, there were no negotiations and 30 years later the town is still empty and gradually being reclaimed by nature.There's a cool book called The World Without Us [amazon.com] that goes in detail into what would happen if all humans suddenly disappeared (it's nonfiction).
The book talks about Varosha, among other things.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379369</id>
	<title>It is just one of many proposals!</title>
	<author>Com2Kid</author>
	<datestamp>1245358440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A person is proposing this.  It is not agreed on (or even commented on from what I can tell) by anyone in the government.</p><p>Holy crap.  I could propose anything I wanted too, doesn't mean it is going to happen and that doesn't make it a news story!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A person is proposing this .
It is not agreed on ( or even commented on from what I can tell ) by anyone in the government.Holy crap .
I could propose anything I wanted too , does n't mean it is going to happen and that does n't make it a news story !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A person is proposing this.
It is not agreed on (or even commented on from what I can tell) by anyone in the government.Holy crap.
I could propose anything I wanted too, doesn't mean it is going to happen and that doesn't make it a news story!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379021</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1245357420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That was great as long as my friends lived a few blocks away in the same development, or something.  But at least some of my friends live 5-10 miles away, where I'd kind of have to ride my bike on the highway.  The 'burbs are often just poorly designed for any mode of transport except car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That was great as long as my friends lived a few blocks away in the same development , or something .
But at least some of my friends live 5-10 miles away , where I 'd kind of have to ride my bike on the highway .
The 'burbs are often just poorly designed for any mode of transport except car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was great as long as my friends lived a few blocks away in the same development, or something.
But at least some of my friends live 5-10 miles away, where I'd kind of have to ride my bike on the highway.
The 'burbs are often just poorly designed for any mode of transport except car.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382517</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>antic</author>
	<datestamp>1245327780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fence off a suburb as a paintball war zone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fence off a suburb as a paintball war zone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fence off a suburb as a paintball war zone.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28448039</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245766920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah, I'm sure they'll thank you for moving them downtown to get harassed by bums, shot at by gangbangers, and attend a school where the teachers wear body armor. I can see them giving you the "World's Greatest Dad" cup now.</p></div><p>Ah.  The old "urban areas are crime infested ghettos and suburbs are all sweetness and light" fallacy.</p><p>Ever heard of a city called LA? It's a sprawl addict's dream.  A 100 mile wide city that has crime in abundance.  It has nice areas too though.</p><p>Ever heard of a city called San Francisco?  It's a compact city enthusiast's dream.  Things are so close together that you can (are you ready for this) WALK most places!  Sure it has its crime-intensive areas, but they're the exception.  The majority of the city is pleasant and safe enough that it attracts tourists by the million, and doesn't have the bums, gangbangers, and teachers in shining armour of which you speak. (OK, homelessness is a problem, but that's more to do with the city's temperate climate than anything else, and you'll find bums in other bay area cities including the low density ones.)</p><p>The point I'm making here is that there are good and bad high density cities, and good and bad low density cities. However, low density cities have an inherent problem that high density cities do not - namely heavy reliance on automobiles to meet daily needs, extra expense of delivering utilities and services, along with the pollution and social isolation that comes from single-use zoning.  This scheme in TFA looks like a good way to bring out the best in American cities and finally walk away from this unsustainable and wasteful settlement pattern that forces people to make car trips just to buy a bottle of milk or a postage stamp. What's the point in living in a city if you can't walk anywhere? You might as well live away out in the wilds.</p><p>And FYI, high density mixed-use zoning is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santana\_Row" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">proving to be in high demand</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></div><p>I can't wait for "The Big One" (earthquake) to send that abortion of a city- San Francisco in to the Pacific.</p><p>San Francisco is HORRIBLE, EXPENSIVE, and CROWDED.  They have EXTREMELY HIGH SALES TAXES, UNCONTROLLABLE HOMELESSNESS, AND too many people.</p><p>Stay out of California...we have TOO MANY PEOPLE....I know, I'm a TRUE So Cal Native- Born AND raised.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I 'm sure they 'll thank you for moving them downtown to get harassed by bums , shot at by gangbangers , and attend a school where the teachers wear body armor .
I can see them giving you the " World 's Greatest Dad " cup now.Ah .
The old " urban areas are crime infested ghettos and suburbs are all sweetness and light " fallacy.Ever heard of a city called LA ?
It 's a sprawl addict 's dream .
A 100 mile wide city that has crime in abundance .
It has nice areas too though.Ever heard of a city called San Francisco ?
It 's a compact city enthusiast 's dream .
Things are so close together that you can ( are you ready for this ) WALK most places !
Sure it has its crime-intensive areas , but they 're the exception .
The majority of the city is pleasant and safe enough that it attracts tourists by the million , and does n't have the bums , gangbangers , and teachers in shining armour of which you speak .
( OK , homelessness is a problem , but that 's more to do with the city 's temperate climate than anything else , and you 'll find bums in other bay area cities including the low density ones .
) The point I 'm making here is that there are good and bad high density cities , and good and bad low density cities .
However , low density cities have an inherent problem that high density cities do not - namely heavy reliance on automobiles to meet daily needs , extra expense of delivering utilities and services , along with the pollution and social isolation that comes from single-use zoning .
This scheme in TFA looks like a good way to bring out the best in American cities and finally walk away from this unsustainable and wasteful settlement pattern that forces people to make car trips just to buy a bottle of milk or a postage stamp .
What 's the point in living in a city if you ca n't walk anywhere ?
You might as well live away out in the wilds.And FYI , high density mixed-use zoning is proving to be in high demand [ wikipedia.org ] .I ca n't wait for " The Big One " ( earthquake ) to send that abortion of a city- San Francisco in to the Pacific.San Francisco is HORRIBLE , EXPENSIVE , and CROWDED .
They have EXTREMELY HIGH SALES TAXES , UNCONTROLLABLE HOMELESSNESS , AND too many people.Stay out of California...we have TOO MANY PEOPLE....I know , I 'm a TRUE So Cal Native- Born AND raised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I'm sure they'll thank you for moving them downtown to get harassed by bums, shot at by gangbangers, and attend a school where the teachers wear body armor.
I can see them giving you the "World's Greatest Dad" cup now.Ah.
The old "urban areas are crime infested ghettos and suburbs are all sweetness and light" fallacy.Ever heard of a city called LA?
It's a sprawl addict's dream.
A 100 mile wide city that has crime in abundance.
It has nice areas too though.Ever heard of a city called San Francisco?
It's a compact city enthusiast's dream.
Things are so close together that you can (are you ready for this) WALK most places!
Sure it has its crime-intensive areas, but they're the exception.
The majority of the city is pleasant and safe enough that it attracts tourists by the million, and doesn't have the bums, gangbangers, and teachers in shining armour of which you speak.
(OK, homelessness is a problem, but that's more to do with the city's temperate climate than anything else, and you'll find bums in other bay area cities including the low density ones.
)The point I'm making here is that there are good and bad high density cities, and good and bad low density cities.
However, low density cities have an inherent problem that high density cities do not - namely heavy reliance on automobiles to meet daily needs, extra expense of delivering utilities and services, along with the pollution and social isolation that comes from single-use zoning.
This scheme in TFA looks like a good way to bring out the best in American cities and finally walk away from this unsustainable and wasteful settlement pattern that forces people to make car trips just to buy a bottle of milk or a postage stamp.
What's the point in living in a city if you can't walk anywhere?
You might as well live away out in the wilds.And FYI, high density mixed-use zoning is proving to be in high demand [wikipedia.org].I can't wait for "The Big One" (earthquake) to send that abortion of a city- San Francisco in to the Pacific.San Francisco is HORRIBLE, EXPENSIVE, and CROWDED.
They have EXTREMELY HIGH SALES TAXES, UNCONTROLLABLE HOMELESSNESS, AND too many people.Stay out of California...we have TOO MANY PEOPLE....I know, I'm a TRUE So Cal Native- Born AND raised.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382223</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>El\_Oscuro</author>
	<datestamp>1245326280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Death to California?  Have you ever lived there?  Born and raised Los Angeles.  And I survived many summers without any A/C.  We used to use <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swamp\_cooler" title="wikipedia.org">Swamp Coolers</a> [wikipedia.org] instead of A/C, and they worked quite well.  I didn't have any A/C until I was about 13 and never had any in school.  Try that in Ohio or anywhere on the east coast.</p><p>Los Angeles is also more pedestrian and bicycle friendly than anywhere else I have been.  They have lots of side streets, sidewalks, wide shoulders and other places to ride away from traffic.  If aren't going more than 5 miles, a bike will get you there fine.  My mother never got a drivers license because it wasn't necessary, and I never drove, nor was driven to school</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Death to California ?
Have you ever lived there ?
Born and raised Los Angeles .
And I survived many summers without any A/C .
We used to use Swamp Coolers [ wikipedia.org ] instead of A/C , and they worked quite well .
I did n't have any A/C until I was about 13 and never had any in school .
Try that in Ohio or anywhere on the east coast.Los Angeles is also more pedestrian and bicycle friendly than anywhere else I have been .
They have lots of side streets , sidewalks , wide shoulders and other places to ride away from traffic .
If are n't going more than 5 miles , a bike will get you there fine .
My mother never got a drivers license because it was n't necessary , and I never drove , nor was driven to school</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Death to California?
Have you ever lived there?
Born and raised Los Angeles.
And I survived many summers without any A/C.
We used to use Swamp Coolers [wikipedia.org] instead of A/C, and they worked quite well.
I didn't have any A/C until I was about 13 and never had any in school.
Try that in Ohio or anywhere on the east coast.Los Angeles is also more pedestrian and bicycle friendly than anywhere else I have been.
They have lots of side streets, sidewalks, wide shoulders and other places to ride away from traffic.
If aren't going more than 5 miles, a bike will get you there fine.
My mother never got a drivers license because it wasn't necessary, and I never drove, nor was driven to school</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381267</id>
	<title>Re:Your house without you</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245322080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best thing is for a man to rejoice in his works, for that is his lot. Who can bring him to see what will be after him?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best thing is for a man to rejoice in his works , for that is his lot .
Who can bring him to see what will be after him ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best thing is for a man to rejoice in his works, for that is his lot.
Who can bring him to see what will be after him?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378825</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>MachineShedFred</author>
	<datestamp>1245356760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hint:  "out west" consists of more than California.  I envision exactly <b>nobody</b> leaving the Pacific Northwest for anything in the midwest.</p><p>Oh, by the way:  Portland (and Oregon at-large) pretty much pioneered the urban planning and growth boundary system that you are cheerleading with your car-hate and enviro-spew in the 1970s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hint : " out west " consists of more than California .
I envision exactly nobody leaving the Pacific Northwest for anything in the midwest.Oh , by the way : Portland ( and Oregon at-large ) pretty much pioneered the urban planning and growth boundary system that you are cheerleading with your car-hate and enviro-spew in the 1970s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hint:  "out west" consists of more than California.
I envision exactly nobody leaving the Pacific Northwest for anything in the midwest.Oh, by the way:  Portland (and Oregon at-large) pretty much pioneered the urban planning and growth boundary system that you are cheerleading with your car-hate and enviro-spew in the 1970s.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28388879</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1245421980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, there was a study a few years ago on U.S. city populations that discovered that over time the people who were born in said city move out. When one adjusts for immigration (from non-U.S. locations) all cities in the U.S. lose population. U.S. cities that increase in population, or even maintain population, do so because of immigrants. The study concluded that immigrants tend to move to cities with significant populations from their home countries. The second and third generation tend to move out of the cities. Therefore cities which fail to attract immigrants will gradually decrease in size.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , there was a study a few years ago on U.S. city populations that discovered that over time the people who were born in said city move out .
When one adjusts for immigration ( from non-U.S. locations ) all cities in the U.S. lose population .
U.S. cities that increase in population , or even maintain population , do so because of immigrants .
The study concluded that immigrants tend to move to cities with significant populations from their home countries .
The second and third generation tend to move out of the cities .
Therefore cities which fail to attract immigrants will gradually decrease in size .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, there was a study a few years ago on U.S. city populations that discovered that over time the people who were born in said city move out.
When one adjusts for immigration (from non-U.S. locations) all cities in the U.S. lose population.
U.S. cities that increase in population, or even maintain population, do so because of immigrants.
The study concluded that immigrants tend to move to cities with significant populations from their home countries.
The second and third generation tend to move out of the cities.
Therefore cities which fail to attract immigrants will gradually decrease in size.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381971</id>
	<title>Re:good, but how much will it cost?</title>
	<author>pavon</author>
	<datestamp>1245325200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would we need to buy it?</p><p>If the buildings on a property is condemned, and the owner has had sufficient time to repair or rebuild, then I see no problem with the government tearing it down on their own. If entire blocks are like this then I see no reason why the government should spend money on roads, sidewalks or streetlamps. Rezone it and tear those down as well, save for a few major roads, and a few minor ones (basically extended driveways now) which can become gravel.</p><p>The people would still own the land, but wouldn't have to pay as high of property tax since it was undeveloped land and possibly out of city limits (and thus only responsible for county taxes). They would be able to sell it or redevelop if the city expands again in their lifetime. The few folks that are left living there will now have a house surrounded by natural vegetation, causing their property value to increase compared to when it was surrounded by an ex-urban junkyard.</p><p>Eminent domain is unnecessary, and doesn't need to be factored into the taxpayer cost. Instead things like yearly maintenance, and negative image on the city will need to be weighted against the one-time cost of cleanup.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would we need to buy it ? If the buildings on a property is condemned , and the owner has had sufficient time to repair or rebuild , then I see no problem with the government tearing it down on their own .
If entire blocks are like this then I see no reason why the government should spend money on roads , sidewalks or streetlamps .
Rezone it and tear those down as well , save for a few major roads , and a few minor ones ( basically extended driveways now ) which can become gravel.The people would still own the land , but would n't have to pay as high of property tax since it was undeveloped land and possibly out of city limits ( and thus only responsible for county taxes ) .
They would be able to sell it or redevelop if the city expands again in their lifetime .
The few folks that are left living there will now have a house surrounded by natural vegetation , causing their property value to increase compared to when it was surrounded by an ex-urban junkyard.Eminent domain is unnecessary , and does n't need to be factored into the taxpayer cost .
Instead things like yearly maintenance , and negative image on the city will need to be weighted against the one-time cost of cleanup .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would we need to buy it?If the buildings on a property is condemned, and the owner has had sufficient time to repair or rebuild, then I see no problem with the government tearing it down on their own.
If entire blocks are like this then I see no reason why the government should spend money on roads, sidewalks or streetlamps.
Rezone it and tear those down as well, save for a few major roads, and a few minor ones (basically extended driveways now) which can become gravel.The people would still own the land, but wouldn't have to pay as high of property tax since it was undeveloped land and possibly out of city limits (and thus only responsible for county taxes).
They would be able to sell it or redevelop if the city expands again in their lifetime.
The few folks that are left living there will now have a house surrounded by natural vegetation, causing their property value to increase compared to when it was surrounded by an ex-urban junkyard.Eminent domain is unnecessary, and doesn't need to be factored into the taxpayer cost.
Instead things like yearly maintenance, and negative image on the city will need to be weighted against the one-time cost of cleanup.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380183</id>
	<title>Re:Really a Shame</title>
	<author>Skye16</author>
	<datestamp>1245317700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm on board with your last rant, provided we take the child away and start up some sort of boarding school setup with a focus on making these children college ready (so we're not talking inner-city school systems, here, we're talking "wow, good enough to be a private school" type).</p><p>I mean, it's all a pipe dream, so we may as well dream big.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm on board with your last rant , provided we take the child away and start up some sort of boarding school setup with a focus on making these children college ready ( so we 're not talking inner-city school systems , here , we 're talking " wow , good enough to be a private school " type ) .I mean , it 's all a pipe dream , so we may as well dream big .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm on board with your last rant, provided we take the child away and start up some sort of boarding school setup with a focus on making these children college ready (so we're not talking inner-city school systems, here, we're talking "wow, good enough to be a private school" type).I mean, it's all a pipe dream, so we may as well dream big.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380053</id>
	<title>Re:Cor!</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1245317400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a lot of places in England, like where I live, they only collect rubbish once every two weeks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a lot of places in England , like where I live , they only collect rubbish once every two weeks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a lot of places in England, like where I live, they only collect rubbish once every two weeks.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28390983</id>
	<title>Re:good, but how much will it cost?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245430740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The way I see it, the shelter problem in this country is similar to the starvation problems in Africa (all while piles of food were sitting and rotting in depots there). The government and people with money are complicit in causing the problem, even though the resources are there.</p><p>The people with money like you said want the artificially inflated property values to hold, so they can be resold as a liquid commodity of sorts. They want to be able to have turnover with housing as a commodity, rather than treating it as a long term investment. This isn't how housing should be, but somehow the market was has twisted it into that and not enough people have bothered to speak up about it and how stupid it is. (Very few people buy a car without intending on using it, and very few cars are actually valuable on their own merits. Housing should be looked at in the same way, don't buy it unless you're planning on living there or renting it. Same for commercial and industrial developed properties. I'd even be willing to suggest this outlook could probably be fixed by changing tax code on developed property such that non-used holdings are taxed at a much higher rate than lived-in or commercially active property. I think empty building syndrome would go away pretty quick if holding such properties was a bigger liability than selling, renting, or even un-development back to nature and into easements. Now if only the powers that be would be able to go with it.)</p><p>
&nbsp; The government on the other hand wants the artificially inflated property value to hold because too much of their income is based on taxation of that property. In some cases they would rather deprive people of any percieved right to shelter rather than to risk cutting their tax income on the overall property base. It's not that the people living in shantytowns are homeless (I'm not saying it's great, but if you have sufficient shelter to get by - you can make it a home). The problem for the cities is that ad-hoc housing solutions aren't official and therefore readily taxable. So the residents are declared homeless, and in some cities they are forcefully deprived of shelter and made to rely on insufficient or non-existant public services. If the cities would be willing to devalue enough property and drop the tax rates to something that would be sustainable on the low income service industry jobs (which are pretty much all that's left in some areas), a lot of "homeless" would suddenly be able to manage and get off the streets.</p><p>Of course there's also profit in milking the political system by creating "charitable" services, so there may be other forces at work that say they want to solve the problem but not going after solutions that should be obvious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The way I see it , the shelter problem in this country is similar to the starvation problems in Africa ( all while piles of food were sitting and rotting in depots there ) .
The government and people with money are complicit in causing the problem , even though the resources are there.The people with money like you said want the artificially inflated property values to hold , so they can be resold as a liquid commodity of sorts .
They want to be able to have turnover with housing as a commodity , rather than treating it as a long term investment .
This is n't how housing should be , but somehow the market was has twisted it into that and not enough people have bothered to speak up about it and how stupid it is .
( Very few people buy a car without intending on using it , and very few cars are actually valuable on their own merits .
Housing should be looked at in the same way , do n't buy it unless you 're planning on living there or renting it .
Same for commercial and industrial developed properties .
I 'd even be willing to suggest this outlook could probably be fixed by changing tax code on developed property such that non-used holdings are taxed at a much higher rate than lived-in or commercially active property .
I think empty building syndrome would go away pretty quick if holding such properties was a bigger liability than selling , renting , or even un-development back to nature and into easements .
Now if only the powers that be would be able to go with it .
)   The government on the other hand wants the artificially inflated property value to hold because too much of their income is based on taxation of that property .
In some cases they would rather deprive people of any percieved right to shelter rather than to risk cutting their tax income on the overall property base .
It 's not that the people living in shantytowns are homeless ( I 'm not saying it 's great , but if you have sufficient shelter to get by - you can make it a home ) .
The problem for the cities is that ad-hoc housing solutions are n't official and therefore readily taxable .
So the residents are declared homeless , and in some cities they are forcefully deprived of shelter and made to rely on insufficient or non-existant public services .
If the cities would be willing to devalue enough property and drop the tax rates to something that would be sustainable on the low income service industry jobs ( which are pretty much all that 's left in some areas ) , a lot of " homeless " would suddenly be able to manage and get off the streets.Of course there 's also profit in milking the political system by creating " charitable " services , so there may be other forces at work that say they want to solve the problem but not going after solutions that should be obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The way I see it, the shelter problem in this country is similar to the starvation problems in Africa (all while piles of food were sitting and rotting in depots there).
The government and people with money are complicit in causing the problem, even though the resources are there.The people with money like you said want the artificially inflated property values to hold, so they can be resold as a liquid commodity of sorts.
They want to be able to have turnover with housing as a commodity, rather than treating it as a long term investment.
This isn't how housing should be, but somehow the market was has twisted it into that and not enough people have bothered to speak up about it and how stupid it is.
(Very few people buy a car without intending on using it, and very few cars are actually valuable on their own merits.
Housing should be looked at in the same way, don't buy it unless you're planning on living there or renting it.
Same for commercial and industrial developed properties.
I'd even be willing to suggest this outlook could probably be fixed by changing tax code on developed property such that non-used holdings are taxed at a much higher rate than lived-in or commercially active property.
I think empty building syndrome would go away pretty quick if holding such properties was a bigger liability than selling, renting, or even un-development back to nature and into easements.
Now if only the powers that be would be able to go with it.
)
  The government on the other hand wants the artificially inflated property value to hold because too much of their income is based on taxation of that property.
In some cases they would rather deprive people of any percieved right to shelter rather than to risk cutting their tax income on the overall property base.
It's not that the people living in shantytowns are homeless (I'm not saying it's great, but if you have sufficient shelter to get by - you can make it a home).
The problem for the cities is that ad-hoc housing solutions aren't official and therefore readily taxable.
So the residents are declared homeless, and in some cities they are forcefully deprived of shelter and made to rely on insufficient or non-existant public services.
If the cities would be willing to devalue enough property and drop the tax rates to something that would be sustainable on the low income service industry jobs (which are pretty much all that's left in some areas), a lot of "homeless" would suddenly be able to manage and get off the streets.Of course there's also profit in milking the political system by creating "charitable" services, so there may be other forces at work that say they want to solve the problem but not going after solutions that should be obvious.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380561</id>
	<title>Re:Create parks inside the cities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245319260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Girls sunbathe in the summer in parks wearing skimpy outfits.</p><p>Unless you're gay (btw, gay men sunbathe in the summer in parks in tight hotpants). Even if you're gay, you must approve of building parks in cities.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Girls sunbathe in the summer in parks wearing skimpy outfits.Unless you 're gay ( btw , gay men sunbathe in the summer in parks in tight hotpants ) .
Even if you 're gay , you must approve of building parks in cities .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Girls sunbathe in the summer in parks wearing skimpy outfits.Unless you're gay (btw, gay men sunbathe in the summer in parks in tight hotpants).
Even if you're gay, you must approve of building parks in cities.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379601</id>
	<title>Re:Fantastic</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1245315900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>California <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31001101/" title="msn.com">is seriously considering</a> [msn.com] shutting down the vast majority of its state parks to reconcile its budget surplus.</p><p>(To give an idea of how bad things are, it's been proven in unambiguous terms that the parks make money for the state and surrounding businesses)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>California is seriously considering [ msn.com ] shutting down the vast majority of its state parks to reconcile its budget surplus .
( To give an idea of how bad things are , it 's been proven in unambiguous terms that the parks make money for the state and surrounding businesses )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>California is seriously considering [msn.com] shutting down the vast majority of its state parks to reconcile its budget surplus.
(To give an idea of how bad things are, it's been proven in unambiguous terms that the parks make money for the state and surrounding businesses)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378123</id>
	<title>Urban Decay?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245354960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This reminds me of the "urban renewal" projects of the 50s and early 60s, when huge sections actually were razed in various major cities.  Boston's West End was a victim of this.</p><p>It's widely considered to be one of the stupidest projects the government's ever done.</p><p>Here I thought we were supposed to encourage people to move back into cities so high population densities would make mass transit more viable.  Silly me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of the " urban renewal " projects of the 50s and early 60s , when huge sections actually were razed in various major cities .
Boston 's West End was a victim of this.It 's widely considered to be one of the stupidest projects the government 's ever done.Here I thought we were supposed to encourage people to move back into cities so high population densities would make mass transit more viable .
Silly me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of the "urban renewal" projects of the 50s and early 60s, when huge sections actually were razed in various major cities.
Boston's West End was a victim of this.It's widely considered to be one of the stupidest projects the government's ever done.Here I thought we were supposed to encourage people to move back into cities so high population densities would make mass transit more viable.
Silly me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28385287</id>
	<title>Sim City</title>
	<author>Beer\_Smurf</author>
	<datestamp>1245346260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just like Sim City, you doze the high crime areas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just like Sim City , you doze the high crime areas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just like Sim City, you doze the high crime areas.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380205</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>antifoidulus</author>
	<datestamp>1245317820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The nature isn't just for walks in the parks, it can also be used for farmland(preferably with robot farmers), locally grown food and biodiesel can cut energy use significantly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The nature is n't just for walks in the parks , it can also be used for farmland ( preferably with robot farmers ) , locally grown food and biodiesel can cut energy use significantly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The nature isn't just for walks in the parks, it can also be used for farmland(preferably with robot farmers), locally grown food and biodiesel can cut energy use significantly.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379739</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>kkissane</author>
	<datestamp>1245316380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In St. Louis, there are no inhabitants, or buildings on these blocks, or perhaps 1 of 2 per block.  Makes providing services incredibly expensive. No ethnic cleansing, no nothing, just recognizing politically that people have voted with their feet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In St. Louis , there are no inhabitants , or buildings on these blocks , or perhaps 1 of 2 per block .
Makes providing services incredibly expensive .
No ethnic cleansing , no nothing , just recognizing politically that people have voted with their feet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In St. Louis, there are no inhabitants, or buildings on these blocks, or perhaps 1 of 2 per block.
Makes providing services incredibly expensive.
No ethnic cleansing, no nothing, just recognizing politically that people have voted with their feet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381371</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>thesandtiger</author>
	<datestamp>1245322500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a number of these the world over. The show "World Without People" on the History Channel has featured several:</p><p>Gary, Indiana (which isn't abandoned entirely, but large parts of it essentially are)<br>One I cannot recall the name of which was a gold-mining town in the early 1900's (desert)<br>One I also cannot remember the name of which is on an island just off of Japan and was an industrial city until it was abandoned</p><p>It's really fascinating to see the things that have happened in those various areas.</p><p>I don't think that it would be possible to do it in a more rigorous fashion - the existence of the cordons/fencing/whatever would have an impact on the reclaiming (if it happens) by animals and other natural forces.</p><p>Anyway, check out that show and you'll see some real life examples in every episode. It's kind of hokey at times, but the parts about places where it's already happened are really fascinating and they have some of that in each episode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a number of these the world over .
The show " World Without People " on the History Channel has featured several : Gary , Indiana ( which is n't abandoned entirely , but large parts of it essentially are ) One I can not recall the name of which was a gold-mining town in the early 1900 's ( desert ) One I also can not remember the name of which is on an island just off of Japan and was an industrial city until it was abandonedIt 's really fascinating to see the things that have happened in those various areas.I do n't think that it would be possible to do it in a more rigorous fashion - the existence of the cordons/fencing/whatever would have an impact on the reclaiming ( if it happens ) by animals and other natural forces.Anyway , check out that show and you 'll see some real life examples in every episode .
It 's kind of hokey at times , but the parts about places where it 's already happened are really fascinating and they have some of that in each episode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a number of these the world over.
The show "World Without People" on the History Channel has featured several:Gary, Indiana (which isn't abandoned entirely, but large parts of it essentially are)One I cannot recall the name of which was a gold-mining town in the early 1900's (desert)One I also cannot remember the name of which is on an island just off of Japan and was an industrial city until it was abandonedIt's really fascinating to see the things that have happened in those various areas.I don't think that it would be possible to do it in a more rigorous fashion - the existence of the cordons/fencing/whatever would have an impact on the reclaiming (if it happens) by animals and other natural forces.Anyway, check out that show and you'll see some real life examples in every episode.
It's kind of hokey at times, but the parts about places where it's already happened are really fascinating and they have some of that in each episode.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381241</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds Like A Bad Idea to Me</title>
	<author>jeff4747</author>
	<datestamp>1245321900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try reading TFA again.  They're tearing down the suburbs and restoring homes in the city's center.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try reading TFA again .
They 're tearing down the suburbs and restoring homes in the city 's center .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try reading TFA again.
They're tearing down the suburbs and restoring homes in the city's center.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28391333</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245432180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where else can you get a large goldpan for the summer days at alaskaland and then use it as a toboggan the rest of the year<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where else can you get a large goldpan for the summer days at alaskaland and then use it as a toboggan the rest of the year ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where else can you get a large goldpan for the summer days at alaskaland and then use it as a toboggan the rest of the year ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380239</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>LordKazan</author>
	<datestamp>1245317940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>your statement is simplified to the point of it being incorrect.</p><p>The government taking money from people who would spend it and giving it to other people who would spend it doesn't stimulate the economy.<br>The government taking money from people who would save it and giving it to other people who would spend it, does stimulate the economy.</p><p>The group that spends tends to be the ones that have less wealth.<br>the Group that saves tends to be the ones that have more than they can utilize.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>your statement is simplified to the point of it being incorrect.The government taking money from people who would spend it and giving it to other people who would spend it does n't stimulate the economy.The government taking money from people who would save it and giving it to other people who would spend it , does stimulate the economy.The group that spends tends to be the ones that have less wealth.the Group that saves tends to be the ones that have more than they can utilize .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>your statement is simplified to the point of it being incorrect.The government taking money from people who would spend it and giving it to other people who would spend it doesn't stimulate the economy.The government taking money from people who would save it and giving it to other people who would spend it, does stimulate the economy.The group that spends tends to be the ones that have less wealth.the Group that saves tends to be the ones that have more than they can utilize.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378807</id>
	<title>Re:Really a Shame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245356700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In your plan for mass immigration, where are the immigrants going to get the resources to fix up the houses?  There aren't enough jobs for the current residents.</p><p>Completely off topic here, but America needs to seriously reform the welfare system.  There are significant portions of the population whose entire aspirations in life involve getting qualified for either General Relief or Social Security Insurance payments.  They are content to take to their EBT coupons and subsist on whatever the government can tax the productive members of society for.  Welfare should be a supplement.  Welfare should be a government match against hours worked.  The hours worked can be community service for all I care.  But people need to be put to work if they want the state to tax people with jobs to support them.  Maybe I'm a bit bitter from riding through the train South Central LA every day, but the system is broken.</p><p>As long as I'm ranting, they need to modify the welfare system and deny payments to felons and their children.  That would go a long way to dealing with the "baby daddy" syndrome of stupid girls letting themselves get knocked up by the most alpha, ghetto hood thugs they can find.  All of a sudden the baby of a gangster won't be a free ticket to hundreds of dollars a month and a free place to live.  Require a paternity test and a valid identify for the father of the child.  The government needs to start holding the people that they support accountable for the choices those people make about how they live their lives.  I'm sick and tired of seeing my tax dollars disappearing into the bottomless pit that is the ghetto.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In your plan for mass immigration , where are the immigrants going to get the resources to fix up the houses ?
There are n't enough jobs for the current residents.Completely off topic here , but America needs to seriously reform the welfare system .
There are significant portions of the population whose entire aspirations in life involve getting qualified for either General Relief or Social Security Insurance payments .
They are content to take to their EBT coupons and subsist on whatever the government can tax the productive members of society for .
Welfare should be a supplement .
Welfare should be a government match against hours worked .
The hours worked can be community service for all I care .
But people need to be put to work if they want the state to tax people with jobs to support them .
Maybe I 'm a bit bitter from riding through the train South Central LA every day , but the system is broken.As long as I 'm ranting , they need to modify the welfare system and deny payments to felons and their children .
That would go a long way to dealing with the " baby daddy " syndrome of stupid girls letting themselves get knocked up by the most alpha , ghetto hood thugs they can find .
All of a sudden the baby of a gangster wo n't be a free ticket to hundreds of dollars a month and a free place to live .
Require a paternity test and a valid identify for the father of the child .
The government needs to start holding the people that they support accountable for the choices those people make about how they live their lives .
I 'm sick and tired of seeing my tax dollars disappearing into the bottomless pit that is the ghetto .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In your plan for mass immigration, where are the immigrants going to get the resources to fix up the houses?
There aren't enough jobs for the current residents.Completely off topic here, but America needs to seriously reform the welfare system.
There are significant portions of the population whose entire aspirations in life involve getting qualified for either General Relief or Social Security Insurance payments.
They are content to take to their EBT coupons and subsist on whatever the government can tax the productive members of society for.
Welfare should be a supplement.
Welfare should be a government match against hours worked.
The hours worked can be community service for all I care.
But people need to be put to work if they want the state to tax people with jobs to support them.
Maybe I'm a bit bitter from riding through the train South Central LA every day, but the system is broken.As long as I'm ranting, they need to modify the welfare system and deny payments to felons and their children.
That would go a long way to dealing with the "baby daddy" syndrome of stupid girls letting themselves get knocked up by the most alpha, ghetto hood thugs they can find.
All of a sudden the baby of a gangster won't be a free ticket to hundreds of dollars a month and a free place to live.
Require a paternity test and a valid identify for the father of the child.
The government needs to start holding the people that they support accountable for the choices those people make about how they live their lives.
I'm sick and tired of seeing my tax dollars disappearing into the bottomless pit that is the ghetto.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379415</id>
	<title>I live in one of these areas!</title>
	<author>jchawk</author>
	<datestamp>1245358560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in an area that would be directly impacted by this type of plan.  I own an old home in the North Side of Pittsburgh and I am in absolute support of this.  1/2 of the houses on my street are abandoned and boarded up.  If the City were to come in and demolish them (which they have slowly started to do) it would not only increase the safety of the area.  It would also raise the property values which would in turn increase tax income to the City.</p><p>The problem we're faced with is no new development will happen in parts of the area until we purge the beyond repair buildings.  Why would any erect a new structure next to a building that can barely stand?</p><p>I certainly think this idea is better then doing what we've been doing for 30+ years.  Letting the urban core of Pittsburgh slowly rot while the young professionals continue to avoid the City for the suburbs.  City living in Pittsburgh is on it's way back in areas that are in better shape, demolishing the buildings that are not salvageable will only accelerate this renewal!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in an area that would be directly impacted by this type of plan .
I own an old home in the North Side of Pittsburgh and I am in absolute support of this .
1/2 of the houses on my street are abandoned and boarded up .
If the City were to come in and demolish them ( which they have slowly started to do ) it would not only increase the safety of the area .
It would also raise the property values which would in turn increase tax income to the City.The problem we 're faced with is no new development will happen in parts of the area until we purge the beyond repair buildings .
Why would any erect a new structure next to a building that can barely stand ? I certainly think this idea is better then doing what we 've been doing for 30 + years .
Letting the urban core of Pittsburgh slowly rot while the young professionals continue to avoid the City for the suburbs .
City living in Pittsburgh is on it 's way back in areas that are in better shape , demolishing the buildings that are not salvageable will only accelerate this renewal !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in an area that would be directly impacted by this type of plan.
I own an old home in the North Side of Pittsburgh and I am in absolute support of this.
1/2 of the houses on my street are abandoned and boarded up.
If the City were to come in and demolish them (which they have slowly started to do) it would not only increase the safety of the area.
It would also raise the property values which would in turn increase tax income to the City.The problem we're faced with is no new development will happen in parts of the area until we purge the beyond repair buildings.
Why would any erect a new structure next to a building that can barely stand?I certainly think this idea is better then doing what we've been doing for 30+ years.
Letting the urban core of Pittsburgh slowly rot while the young professionals continue to avoid the City for the suburbs.
City living in Pittsburgh is on it's way back in areas that are in better shape, demolishing the buildings that are not salvageable will only accelerate this renewal!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384083</id>
	<title>Re:Make some money as well</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245335340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone call the wahmbulance: sand-gypsies are having their hovels torn down. My only regret is that the Israeli army hasn't yet upgraded to the superior destructive power of the D11.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone call the wahmbulance : sand-gypsies are having their hovels torn down .
My only regret is that the Israeli army has n't yet upgraded to the superior destructive power of the D11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone call the wahmbulance: sand-gypsies are having their hovels torn down.
My only regret is that the Israeli army hasn't yet upgraded to the superior destructive power of the D11.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381839</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245324600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //freerangekids.wordpress.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://freerangekids.wordpress.com/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381887</id>
	<title>New economy based on destruction of the free one</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245324780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Think about what you just said.  Jobs are being created to remove viable living quarters to experienced people that have become homeless because they are politically disgusted to owning a house near the greater market center or simply have a different way of life yet thrown coercively by psychiatrists and para-military into sufferance into these weird areas of confinement.</p><p>Just because someone calls their "home wherever his heart is" has become the new allowance of unlawful activity by law enforcement and courts to decide their future.  It's absolutely bullshit.  Unhinder everyone from exercising their RIGHT TO PUBLIC VEHICULAR TRAVEL on the ROADS and the economy and homeless will fix itself by a PRODUCTIVE OUTLOOK replenished to their freedom and liberty.</p><p>Of'course, none of you Slashdotters have been violated enough to consider USA an unsafe place, so blog-on you ignorant f*cking hippies.  Go make your anti-freedom and anti-liberty opinions.  Force a responsible traveler into your responsibility-diverting scehemes of INSURANCE and DRIVER LICENTURE, because you know those are as sound as the void of space that echos to your primitives of life.</p><p>How about unhanding one's freedom of association inherint in the Consitution and Bill of Rights, just because some of us think your playing Bumper Cars with some egg-shell accordion import Car to an American-made tank deserves recompensation of damages beyond livelyhood because the art of aesthetic craftmanship demands repair?</p><p>Get off my lawn, and drink your Latte', McCafe', and Commune' elseware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Think about what you just said .
Jobs are being created to remove viable living quarters to experienced people that have become homeless because they are politically disgusted to owning a house near the greater market center or simply have a different way of life yet thrown coercively by psychiatrists and para-military into sufferance into these weird areas of confinement.Just because someone calls their " home wherever his heart is " has become the new allowance of unlawful activity by law enforcement and courts to decide their future .
It 's absolutely bullshit .
Unhinder everyone from exercising their RIGHT TO PUBLIC VEHICULAR TRAVEL on the ROADS and the economy and homeless will fix itself by a PRODUCTIVE OUTLOOK replenished to their freedom and liberty.Of'course , none of you Slashdotters have been violated enough to consider USA an unsafe place , so blog-on you ignorant f * cking hippies .
Go make your anti-freedom and anti-liberty opinions .
Force a responsible traveler into your responsibility-diverting scehemes of INSURANCE and DRIVER LICENTURE , because you know those are as sound as the void of space that echos to your primitives of life.How about unhanding one 's freedom of association inherint in the Consitution and Bill of Rights , just because some of us think your playing Bumper Cars with some egg-shell accordion import Car to an American-made tank deserves recompensation of damages beyond livelyhood because the art of aesthetic craftmanship demands repair ? Get off my lawn , and drink your Latte ' , McCafe ' , and Commune ' elseware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Think about what you just said.
Jobs are being created to remove viable living quarters to experienced people that have become homeless because they are politically disgusted to owning a house near the greater market center or simply have a different way of life yet thrown coercively by psychiatrists and para-military into sufferance into these weird areas of confinement.Just because someone calls their "home wherever his heart is" has become the new allowance of unlawful activity by law enforcement and courts to decide their future.
It's absolutely bullshit.
Unhinder everyone from exercising their RIGHT TO PUBLIC VEHICULAR TRAVEL on the ROADS and the economy and homeless will fix itself by a PRODUCTIVE OUTLOOK replenished to their freedom and liberty.Of'course, none of you Slashdotters have been violated enough to consider USA an unsafe place, so blog-on you ignorant f*cking hippies.
Go make your anti-freedom and anti-liberty opinions.
Force a responsible traveler into your responsibility-diverting scehemes of INSURANCE and DRIVER LICENTURE, because you know those are as sound as the void of space that echos to your primitives of life.How about unhanding one's freedom of association inherint in the Consitution and Bill of Rights, just because some of us think your playing Bumper Cars with some egg-shell accordion import Car to an American-made tank deserves recompensation of damages beyond livelyhood because the art of aesthetic craftmanship demands repair?Get off my lawn, and drink your Latte', McCafe', and Commune' elseware.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378777</id>
	<title>Re:Detroit</title>
	<author>MonsterTrimble</author>
	<datestamp>1245356640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Detroit seems to be the wisest place to begin with. High crime, lost Stanley cup, agony of the car companies. Let Sillicon Valley become the new city for car makers. Li-Ion rules!</p></div><p>For a minute there I thought you said 'Lions Rule'. When the B.C. Lions can beat the Detroit Lions, something is wrong.</p><p>And for the record - Osgood is still Hall of Fame worthy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Detroit seems to be the wisest place to begin with .
High crime , lost Stanley cup , agony of the car companies .
Let Sillicon Valley become the new city for car makers .
Li-Ion rules ! For a minute there I thought you said 'Lions Rule' .
When the B.C .
Lions can beat the Detroit Lions , something is wrong.And for the record - Osgood is still Hall of Fame worthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Detroit seems to be the wisest place to begin with.
High crime, lost Stanley cup, agony of the car companies.
Let Sillicon Valley become the new city for car makers.
Li-Ion rules!For a minute there I thought you said 'Lions Rule'.
When the B.C.
Lions can beat the Detroit Lions, something is wrong.And for the record - Osgood is still Hall of Fame worthy.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383599</id>
	<title>Why am I humming...</title>
	<author>Datamonstar</author>
	<datestamp>1245332460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... the SimCity (SNES) theme song?</htmltext>
<tokenext>... the SimCity ( SNES ) theme song ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the SimCity (SNES) theme song?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384199</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>gv250</author>
	<datestamp>1245336060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences. Would it decay as some predict?. Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living? </p></div><p>Welcome to <a href="http://www.forbidden-places.net/urban-exploration-gary-indiana-ghost-town" title="forbidden-places.net" rel="nofollow">Gary</a> [forbidden-places.net], <a href="http://www.redbubble.com/people/davidtribby/art/2419382-2-union-station-interior" title="redbubble.com" rel="nofollow">Indiana</a> [redbubble.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences .
Would it decay as some predict ? .
Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living ?
Welcome to Gary [ forbidden-places.net ] , Indiana [ redbubble.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would be very interesting to close off part of a disused city or even a whole city and leave it as it is to see how nature would take over without human influences.
Would it decay as some predict?.
Would nature take over tower blocks for high rise living?
Welcome to Gary [forbidden-places.net], Indiana [redbubble.com].
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381013</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245321060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, he paints a picture of large, UNBROKEN tracts of abandoned homes. In reality there are STILL PEOPLE LIVING THERE.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The city is buying up houses in more affluent areas to offer people in neighbourhoods it wants to demolish. Nobody will be forced to move, said Mr Kildee.</p></div><p>Read as: "Nobody who counts will be forced to move.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"Much of the land will be given back to nature. People will enjoy living near a forest or meadow," he said.</p></div><p> Read as "People will have to enjoy living near an unpatrolled, unmonitored area without adequate fire protection, far away from the city center."</p></div>
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<tokenext>Yes , he paints a picture of large , UNBROKEN tracts of abandoned homes .
In reality there are STILL PEOPLE LIVING THERE.The city is buying up houses in more affluent areas to offer people in neighbourhoods it wants to demolish .
Nobody will be forced to move , said Mr Kildee.Read as : " Nobody who counts will be forced to move .
" Much of the land will be given back to nature .
People will enjoy living near a forest or meadow , " he said .
Read as " People will have to enjoy living near an unpatrolled , unmonitored area without adequate fire protection , far away from the city center .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, he paints a picture of large, UNBROKEN tracts of abandoned homes.
In reality there are STILL PEOPLE LIVING THERE.The city is buying up houses in more affluent areas to offer people in neighbourhoods it wants to demolish.
Nobody will be forced to move, said Mr Kildee.Read as: "Nobody who counts will be forced to move.
"Much of the land will be given back to nature.
People will enjoy living near a forest or meadow," he said.
Read as "People will have to enjoy living near an unpatrolled, unmonitored area without adequate fire protection, far away from the city center.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378233</id>
	<title>"Shrink!"  It's the new Growth!</title>
	<author>smackenzie</author>
	<datestamp>1245355200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A modest home in a lot of 7 abandoned (or un-sellable) homes is worth very little.  But, if the home owners are willing to relocate, they could potentially own a similar home, closer to a "living" civilization, and bordering the nice new woods that has now been created out of all the empty districts.  That home is worth a lot more.<br>
<br>
It's obvious that the kind of home growth that we saw over the last ten years is not sustainable for any substantial amount of time.  And it's a little ironic that many of the same construction companies that were thrown together to build the homes might transition into companies that are hired to tear down the very same homes... but, having said that, nothing makes me happier to think that we might rollback at least some of the ugly brown areas and return them to Nature.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A modest home in a lot of 7 abandoned ( or un-sellable ) homes is worth very little .
But , if the home owners are willing to relocate , they could potentially own a similar home , closer to a " living " civilization , and bordering the nice new woods that has now been created out of all the empty districts .
That home is worth a lot more .
It 's obvious that the kind of home growth that we saw over the last ten years is not sustainable for any substantial amount of time .
And it 's a little ironic that many of the same construction companies that were thrown together to build the homes might transition into companies that are hired to tear down the very same homes... but , having said that , nothing makes me happier to think that we might rollback at least some of the ugly brown areas and return them to Nature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A modest home in a lot of 7 abandoned (or un-sellable) homes is worth very little.
But, if the home owners are willing to relocate, they could potentially own a similar home, closer to a "living" civilization, and bordering the nice new woods that has now been created out of all the empty districts.
That home is worth a lot more.
It's obvious that the kind of home growth that we saw over the last ten years is not sustainable for any substantial amount of time.
And it's a little ironic that many of the same construction companies that were thrown together to build the homes might transition into companies that are hired to tear down the very same homes... but, having said that, nothing makes me happier to think that we might rollback at least some of the ugly brown areas and return them to Nature.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382009</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1245325320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>notice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing: pittsburgh.</i></p><p>Actually, Pittsburgh is one of the few cities directly mentioned in the story:</p><p>"Most are former industrial cities in the "rust belt" of America's Mid-West and North East. They include Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Memphis."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>notice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing : pittsburgh.Actually , Pittsburgh is one of the few cities directly mentioned in the story : " Most are former industrial cities in the " rust belt " of America 's Mid-West and North East .
They include Detroit , Philadelphia , Pittsburgh , Baltimore and Memphis .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>notice one city not mentioned as ripe for bulldozing: pittsburgh.Actually, Pittsburgh is one of the few cities directly mentioned in the story:"Most are former industrial cities in the "rust belt" of America's Mid-West and North East.
They include Detroit, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Memphis.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378833</id>
	<title>What happened to homes for the homeless?</title>
	<author>rhaacke</author>
	<datestamp>1245356760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought there was a big concern in this country for the plight of the homeless. While I'm not usually one to to condone the government giving away my money, it seems to me that they've already stolen that property so they can tear it down.  Couldn't we at least put up some of the homeless in these buildings? Looks like the usual ineffectual government meddling we've seen before. The gov. complains for years on end about social problems while using them as a pretense to expand its power and then when a way to solve the problem comes along they ignore it and do something that will only make it worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought there was a big concern in this country for the plight of the homeless .
While I 'm not usually one to to condone the government giving away my money , it seems to me that they 've already stolen that property so they can tear it down .
Could n't we at least put up some of the homeless in these buildings ?
Looks like the usual ineffectual government meddling we 've seen before .
The gov .
complains for years on end about social problems while using them as a pretense to expand its power and then when a way to solve the problem comes along they ignore it and do something that will only make it worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought there was a big concern in this country for the plight of the homeless.
While I'm not usually one to to condone the government giving away my money, it seems to me that they've already stolen that property so they can tear it down.
Couldn't we at least put up some of the homeless in these buildings?
Looks like the usual ineffectual government meddling we've seen before.
The gov.
complains for years on end about social problems while using them as a pretense to expand its power and then when a way to solve the problem comes along they ignore it and do something that will only make it worse.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379431</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>fizzup</author>
	<datestamp>1245358680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google street view link?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google street view link ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google street view link?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381805</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>religious freak</author>
	<datestamp>1245324480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, in terms of observing how nature takes over formerly human habitat, the Korean DMZ is just about as close as you get, from what I read in SciAm years ago (too lazy to find a link).  IIRC folks very quickly abandoned their homes, businesses, etc 50 years ago and nothing has been touched since.  Apparently, it's a one of a kind place to study what a post-human landscape might look like.  <br> <br>
I don't think you'd want to shoot a movie there though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , in terms of observing how nature takes over formerly human habitat , the Korean DMZ is just about as close as you get , from what I read in SciAm years ago ( too lazy to find a link ) .
IIRC folks very quickly abandoned their homes , businesses , etc 50 years ago and nothing has been touched since .
Apparently , it 's a one of a kind place to study what a post-human landscape might look like .
I do n't think you 'd want to shoot a movie there though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, in terms of observing how nature takes over formerly human habitat, the Korean DMZ is just about as close as you get, from what I read in SciAm years ago (too lazy to find a link).
IIRC folks very quickly abandoned their homes, businesses, etc 50 years ago and nothing has been touched since.
Apparently, it's a one of a kind place to study what a post-human landscape might look like.
I don't think you'd want to shoot a movie there though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379253</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378651</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Nautical Insanity</author>
	<datestamp>1245356340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Incredibly insightful post from the parent.
</p><p>My suggestion would be to construct higher-density housing closer to the "live" portions of civilization and make it available to displaced residents. Being closer to actual living parts of the city could boost opportunities for these people, and thus reduce the crime rate.
</p><p> An other issue is how to get them to move in the first place. The government does have the capacity to declare eminent domain, so that's not a challenge. The issue is that while it may be legal for the government to seize and compensate people for the current values of their property, the whole point of this idea is that their property is worth jack squat (you can buy a house for $10 in Detroit), and so you'd also need to compensate them for more than the property is worth on the market. Perhaps the extra money could be in the form of a subsidization to find an alternate place to live.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Incredibly insightful post from the parent .
My suggestion would be to construct higher-density housing closer to the " live " portions of civilization and make it available to displaced residents .
Being closer to actual living parts of the city could boost opportunities for these people , and thus reduce the crime rate .
An other issue is how to get them to move in the first place .
The government does have the capacity to declare eminent domain , so that 's not a challenge .
The issue is that while it may be legal for the government to seize and compensate people for the current values of their property , the whole point of this idea is that their property is worth jack squat ( you can buy a house for $ 10 in Detroit ) , and so you 'd also need to compensate them for more than the property is worth on the market .
Perhaps the extra money could be in the form of a subsidization to find an alternate place to live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Incredibly insightful post from the parent.
My suggestion would be to construct higher-density housing closer to the "live" portions of civilization and make it available to displaced residents.
Being closer to actual living parts of the city could boost opportunities for these people, and thus reduce the crime rate.
An other issue is how to get them to move in the first place.
The government does have the capacity to declare eminent domain, so that's not a challenge.
The issue is that while it may be legal for the government to seize and compensate people for the current values of their property, the whole point of this idea is that their property is worth jack squat (you can buy a house for $10 in Detroit), and so you'd also need to compensate them for more than the property is worth on the market.
Perhaps the extra money could be in the form of a subsidization to find an alternate place to live.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378103</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379693</id>
	<title>Re:Seems like a good idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245316200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Asbestos is not a problem if you leave it alone, but when you  remove it you end up creating and scattering a lot of dust.  This is not going to be as simple or as quick as people are thinking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Asbestos is not a problem if you leave it alone , but when you remove it you end up creating and scattering a lot of dust .
This is not going to be as simple or as quick as people are thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Asbestos is not a problem if you leave it alone, but when you  remove it you end up creating and scattering a lot of dust.
This is not going to be as simple or as quick as people are thinking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378109</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379901</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Decay?</title>
	<author>Trailer Trash</author>
	<datestamp>1245316920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Here I thought we were supposed to encourage people to move back into cities so high population densities would make mass transit more viable. Silly me.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes, silly you.  Flint isn't a ghost town due to people moving to its suburbs - it's a ghost town due to people simply leaving the area.</p><p>I agree that this whole thing sounds like a disaster - how do you get the last guy in the neighborhood to leave? - but your reasoning is confused.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here I thought we were supposed to encourage people to move back into cities so high population densities would make mass transit more viable .
Silly me.Yes , silly you .
Flint is n't a ghost town due to people moving to its suburbs - it 's a ghost town due to people simply leaving the area.I agree that this whole thing sounds like a disaster - how do you get the last guy in the neighborhood to leave ?
- but your reasoning is confused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here I thought we were supposed to encourage people to move back into cities so high population densities would make mass transit more viable.
Silly me.Yes, silly you.
Flint isn't a ghost town due to people moving to its suburbs - it's a ghost town due to people simply leaving the area.I agree that this whole thing sounds like a disaster - how do you get the last guy in the neighborhood to leave?
- but your reasoning is confused.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378123</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380375</id>
	<title>Re:Pollution?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245318420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>asbestos is only dangerous airborne, you could eat the rafined stuff without any harm<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>asbestos is only dangerous airborne , you could eat the rafined stuff without any harm  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>asbestos is only dangerous airborne, you could eat the rafined stuff without any harm
 </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380571</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>jbengt</author>
	<datestamp>1245319260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Riding bikes to friends houses was the highlight of living in the 'burbs.</p></div><p>Close-in older suburbs, maybe.</p><p>
Living in the city, riding my bike was my main mode of transportation for most of my life, followed by walking, the "L" train, the bus, and car, in that order.  Though, after my kids were born, I needed to drive more often.<br>
Having moved into the suburbs, I found it imprudent for my daughter to bike to her best friend's house.  Even though it was only a few hundred yards away if she climbed the fence and cut through yards, it was in the next subdivision over, and she would have had to ride on a 2-lane road with a 45 MPH speed limit and narrow, gravel shoulders in order to get there.  Since she's been old enough to drive, she drives everywhere (at least I don't have to drive her anymore).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Riding bikes to friends houses was the highlight of living in the 'burbs.Close-in older suburbs , maybe .
Living in the city , riding my bike was my main mode of transportation for most of my life , followed by walking , the " L " train , the bus , and car , in that order .
Though , after my kids were born , I needed to drive more often .
Having moved into the suburbs , I found it imprudent for my daughter to bike to her best friend 's house .
Even though it was only a few hundred yards away if she climbed the fence and cut through yards , it was in the next subdivision over , and she would have had to ride on a 2-lane road with a 45 MPH speed limit and narrow , gravel shoulders in order to get there .
Since she 's been old enough to drive , she drives everywhere ( at least I do n't have to drive her anymore ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Riding bikes to friends houses was the highlight of living in the 'burbs.Close-in older suburbs, maybe.
Living in the city, riding my bike was my main mode of transportation for most of my life, followed by walking, the "L" train, the bus, and car, in that order.
Though, after my kids were born, I needed to drive more often.
Having moved into the suburbs, I found it imprudent for my daughter to bike to her best friend's house.
Even though it was only a few hundred yards away if she climbed the fence and cut through yards, it was in the next subdivision over, and she would have had to ride on a 2-lane road with a 45 MPH speed limit and narrow, gravel shoulders in order to get there.
Since she's been old enough to drive, she drives everywhere (at least I don't have to drive her anymore).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378441</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28384219</id>
	<title>Re:3 more uses for parts of disused cities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245336240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl, but thats nothing like American conditions such as weather etc.. and a 2nd city to compare how nature adapts to part or even a whole city without humans around would be fascinating.</i> </p><p>If Surtsey Island isn'ty enough of a "rebuilding nature" lab for you, a city won't have anything to add.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl , but thats nothing like American conditions such as weather etc.. and a 2nd city to compare how nature adapts to part or even a whole city without humans around would be fascinating .
If Surtsey Island isn'ty enough of a " rebuilding nature " lab for you , a city wo n't have anything to add .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The nearest experiment we have is Chernobyl, but thats nothing like American conditions such as weather etc.. and a 2nd city to compare how nature adapts to part or even a whole city without humans around would be fascinating.
If Surtsey Island isn'ty enough of a "rebuilding nature" lab for you, a city won't have anything to add.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383061</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245329880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>What's the point in living in a city if you can't walk anywhere? You might as well live away out in the wilds.</i></p><p><i><i>Because it turns a 5 minute drive into an hour drive?</i></i></p><p><i><i>I live in San Jose. I can't walk anywhere. (Nearest store, Gas station, next to it, 7-11, then nothing but houses). I would love to walk places. Hell, i'd love to take public transit to work as well. Its not there. I work 11 miles away. To take public transit requires 6 buses, and a Stanford shuttle to get there in no less than 2 hours. (3 hours if theres traffic). There is more than just "compacting" the city to make things better. Though I would argue this is the first step. Once we compact it, the other services will fall into place.</i></i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the point in living in a city if you ca n't walk anywhere ?
You might as well live away out in the wilds.Because it turns a 5 minute drive into an hour drive ? I live in San Jose .
I ca n't walk anywhere .
( Nearest store , Gas station , next to it , 7-11 , then nothing but houses ) .
I would love to walk places .
Hell , i 'd love to take public transit to work as well .
Its not there .
I work 11 miles away .
To take public transit requires 6 buses , and a Stanford shuttle to get there in no less than 2 hours .
( 3 hours if theres traffic ) .
There is more than just " compacting " the city to make things better .
Though I would argue this is the first step .
Once we compact it , the other services will fall into place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the point in living in a city if you can't walk anywhere?
You might as well live away out in the wilds.Because it turns a 5 minute drive into an hour drive?I live in San Jose.
I can't walk anywhere.
(Nearest store, Gas station, next to it, 7-11, then nothing but houses).
I would love to walk places.
Hell, i'd love to take public transit to work as well.
Its not there.
I work 11 miles away.
To take public transit requires 6 buses, and a Stanford shuttle to get there in no less than 2 hours.
(3 hours if theres traffic).
There is more than just "compacting" the city to make things better.
Though I would argue this is the first step.
Once we compact it, the other services will fall into place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382747</id>
	<title>Re:Dayton</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245328740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dayton has Wright Patt AFB.  That'll keep the area afloat for quite a while longer, albeit on life support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dayton has Wright Patt AFB .
That 'll keep the area afloat for quite a while longer , albeit on life support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dayton has Wright Patt AFB.
That'll keep the area afloat for quite a while longer, albeit on life support.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378101</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378693</id>
	<title>concentration camps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245356460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Relocating population from sparsely populated area into that of a smaller area does allow the government to more easily monitor and control the said population as there are now substantially smaller area to cover. I am just waiting for one day when the said area will get fenced off with electrified barbwire and guard towers with sentry guns built around the perimeters, for the...  protection of the caged population.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Relocating population from sparsely populated area into that of a smaller area does allow the government to more easily monitor and control the said population as there are now substantially smaller area to cover .
I am just waiting for one day when the said area will get fenced off with electrified barbwire and guard towers with sentry guns built around the perimeters , for the... protection of the caged population .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Relocating population from sparsely populated area into that of a smaller area does allow the government to more easily monitor and control the said population as there are now substantially smaller area to cover.
I am just waiting for one day when the said area will get fenced off with electrified barbwire and guard towers with sentry guns built around the perimeters, for the...  protection of the caged population.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378109</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383641</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Decay?</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1245332760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Most of the plans that I've seen, including the one in Flint, involve buying up abandoned properties and demolishing them, while simultaneously restoring ones in better areas and encouraging people to move from blighted areas into them.</p></div><p>Little restoration will ever be done, and the demolished houses are just going to add more toxic shit to our landfills.</p><p>If you wanted to do something useful with abandoned homes, you could use them to house people who are losing theirs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the plans that I 've seen , including the one in Flint , involve buying up abandoned properties and demolishing them , while simultaneously restoring ones in better areas and encouraging people to move from blighted areas into them.Little restoration will ever be done , and the demolished houses are just going to add more toxic shit to our landfills.If you wanted to do something useful with abandoned homes , you could use them to house people who are losing theirs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the plans that I've seen, including the one in Flint, involve buying up abandoned properties and demolishing them, while simultaneously restoring ones in better areas and encouraging people to move from blighted areas into them.Little restoration will ever be done, and the demolished houses are just going to add more toxic shit to our landfills.If you wanted to do something useful with abandoned homes, you could use them to house people who are losing theirs.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378639</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28390829</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245430080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a real problem, but only true between the age of 15 and 18, after that you go to the university, or work, and have a car.</p><p>Life is roughly 80 years long. I don't want to spend my life downtown. Just because of those 3 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a real problem , but only true between the age of 15 and 18 , after that you go to the university , or work , and have a car.Life is roughly 80 years long .
I do n't want to spend my life downtown .
Just because of those 3 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a real problem, but only true between the age of 15 and 18, after that you go to the university, or work, and have a car.Life is roughly 80 years long.
I don't want to spend my life downtown.
Just because of those 3 years.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379021</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378841</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245356820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You just said only minority groups live in poor neighborhoods. That's racism if I've ever heard it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You just said only minority groups live in poor neighborhoods .
That 's racism if I 've ever heard it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You just said only minority groups live in poor neighborhoods.
That's racism if I've ever heard it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378103</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379591</id>
	<title>Re:Article mentions Baltimore</title>
	<author>tie\_guy\_matt</author>
	<datestamp>1245315900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of cities were hit by middle and upper class people leaving the city and going to the suburbs but I think Baltimore may have been hit even worse than most. Why live in Baltimore when you can live in Columbia and have access to the jobs of Washington DC as well as Baltimore? When people leave they take their tax base with them. The drop in taxes cause drops in services such as schools and police -- this forces even more people to leave. Wash rinse repeat and soon you have a city that once had a population of 1 million but now has a population closer to 500,000. You also have a school system and police force that can barely keep up (and often can't keep up at all) with a poorer and poorer population that needs the services even more. Maryland has one of the highest median house hold incomes of any state in the union but Baltimore hardly gets enough money to try and keep the city going. So Baltimore has these problems but I don't think you can say that Maryland is part of the rust belt. Baltimore does have a handful of trendy neighborhoods that middle class people do want to live in, but sadly those neighborhoods are the exception. I guess if you bulldoze those houses that aren't used anymore you would increase the value of the houses that are still standing. I guess a large number of parks that people might be able to enjoy would be better than vast number of boarded-up houses we have now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of cities were hit by middle and upper class people leaving the city and going to the suburbs but I think Baltimore may have been hit even worse than most .
Why live in Baltimore when you can live in Columbia and have access to the jobs of Washington DC as well as Baltimore ?
When people leave they take their tax base with them .
The drop in taxes cause drops in services such as schools and police -- this forces even more people to leave .
Wash rinse repeat and soon you have a city that once had a population of 1 million but now has a population closer to 500,000 .
You also have a school system and police force that can barely keep up ( and often ca n't keep up at all ) with a poorer and poorer population that needs the services even more .
Maryland has one of the highest median house hold incomes of any state in the union but Baltimore hardly gets enough money to try and keep the city going .
So Baltimore has these problems but I do n't think you can say that Maryland is part of the rust belt .
Baltimore does have a handful of trendy neighborhoods that middle class people do want to live in , but sadly those neighborhoods are the exception .
I guess if you bulldoze those houses that are n't used anymore you would increase the value of the houses that are still standing .
I guess a large number of parks that people might be able to enjoy would be better than vast number of boarded-up houses we have now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of cities were hit by middle and upper class people leaving the city and going to the suburbs but I think Baltimore may have been hit even worse than most.
Why live in Baltimore when you can live in Columbia and have access to the jobs of Washington DC as well as Baltimore?
When people leave they take their tax base with them.
The drop in taxes cause drops in services such as schools and police -- this forces even more people to leave.
Wash rinse repeat and soon you have a city that once had a population of 1 million but now has a population closer to 500,000.
You also have a school system and police force that can barely keep up (and often can't keep up at all) with a poorer and poorer population that needs the services even more.
Maryland has one of the highest median house hold incomes of any state in the union but Baltimore hardly gets enough money to try and keep the city going.
So Baltimore has these problems but I don't think you can say that Maryland is part of the rust belt.
Baltimore does have a handful of trendy neighborhoods that middle class people do want to live in, but sadly those neighborhoods are the exception.
I guess if you bulldoze those houses that aren't used anymore you would increase the value of the houses that are still standing.
I guess a large number of parks that people might be able to enjoy would be better than vast number of boarded-up houses we have now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28390423</id>
	<title>Re:Urban Transit</title>
	<author>BoothbyTCD</author>
	<datestamp>1245428220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LA is really more like a bunch of random towns and cities, and the suburbs thereof, that kinda glommed together to fill the available area.</htmltext>
<tokenext>LA is really more like a bunch of random towns and cities , and the suburbs thereof , that kinda glommed together to fill the available area .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LA is really more like a bunch of random towns and cities, and the suburbs thereof, that kinda glommed together to fill the available area.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28382577</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381543</id>
	<title>Re:concentration camps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245323220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Relocating population from sparsely populated area into that of a smaller area does allow the government to more easily monitor and control the said population as there are now substantially smaller area to cover.</p></div><p>You're absolutely right about that; it's a lot cheaper to provide effective law enforcement to a denser population.  Same goes for fire stations, schools, sewer maintenance, water and power...</p><p>It doesn't have to be evil just because the government is doing it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Relocating population from sparsely populated area into that of a smaller area does allow the government to more easily monitor and control the said population as there are now substantially smaller area to cover.You 're absolutely right about that ; it 's a lot cheaper to provide effective law enforcement to a denser population .
Same goes for fire stations , schools , sewer maintenance , water and power...It does n't have to be evil just because the government is doing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Relocating population from sparsely populated area into that of a smaller area does allow the government to more easily monitor and control the said population as there are now substantially smaller area to cover.You're absolutely right about that; it's a lot cheaper to provide effective law enforcement to a denser population.
Same goes for fire stations, schools, sewer maintenance, water and power...It doesn't have to be evil just because the government is doing it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28381663</id>
	<title>Re:there's opportunity in this</title>
	<author>bughunter</author>
	<datestamp>1245323760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bend =/= Portland.</p><p>Comparing Bend to Portland is like comparing Houston to San Francisco.  (For one thing, I don't think either city would appreciate the comparison.)</p><p>I've been to both OR cities; it's no surprise that people are fleeing Bend.  Pastures are much greener just a few leagues to the West.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bend = / = Portland.Comparing Bend to Portland is like comparing Houston to San Francisco .
( For one thing , I do n't think either city would appreciate the comparison .
) I 've been to both OR cities ; it 's no surprise that people are fleeing Bend .
Pastures are much greener just a few leagues to the West .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bend =/= Portland.Comparing Bend to Portland is like comparing Houston to San Francisco.
(For one thing, I don't think either city would appreciate the comparison.
)I've been to both OR cities; it's no surprise that people are fleeing Bend.
Pastures are much greener just a few leagues to the West.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28380215</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378385</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Ironica</author>
	<datestamp>1245355620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>110,000 people in 34 square miles is 3,235 people per square mile.  Los Angeles?  around 7,000 people per square mile.</p><p>They can significantly densify the population without impacting quality of life in a negative way.  TFA discusses how the city is buying up houses in "more affluent areas" for people to relocate to... if they choose.</p><p>Right now, we let those low-income areas decay, with people inside them having no choices.  This way, rather than unmanaged decay with people still inside, they're giving people the option of staying or going, and then removing the vacant buildings around the inhabited ones to contract the city's infrastructure to a manageable level.  Anyone who has lived in a decaying urban area knows that vacant buildings are a hazard to people living around them for a variety of reasons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>110,000 people in 34 square miles is 3,235 people per square mile .
Los Angeles ?
around 7,000 people per square mile.They can significantly densify the population without impacting quality of life in a negative way .
TFA discusses how the city is buying up houses in " more affluent areas " for people to relocate to... if they choose.Right now , we let those low-income areas decay , with people inside them having no choices .
This way , rather than unmanaged decay with people still inside , they 're giving people the option of staying or going , and then removing the vacant buildings around the inhabited ones to contract the city 's infrastructure to a manageable level .
Anyone who has lived in a decaying urban area knows that vacant buildings are a hazard to people living around them for a variety of reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>110,000 people in 34 square miles is 3,235 people per square mile.
Los Angeles?
around 7,000 people per square mile.They can significantly densify the population without impacting quality of life in a negative way.
TFA discusses how the city is buying up houses in "more affluent areas" for people to relocate to... if they choose.Right now, we let those low-income areas decay, with people inside them having no choices.
This way, rather than unmanaged decay with people still inside, they're giving people the option of staying or going, and then removing the vacant buildings around the inhabited ones to contract the city's infrastructure to a manageable level.
Anyone who has lived in a decaying urban area knows that vacant buildings are a hazard to people living around them for a variety of reasons.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28378103</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28379483</id>
	<title>Memphis</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245315600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't we just bulldoze the whole city?  I mean really - will anyone miss it?  Anyone?  At all?</p><p>I didn't think so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't we just bulldoze the whole city ?
I mean really - will anyone miss it ?
Anyone ? At all ? I did n't think so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't we just bulldoze the whole city?
I mean really - will anyone miss it?
Anyone?  At all?I didn't think so.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_18_130212.28383711</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing good can come of this...</title>
	<author>Dripdry</author>
	<datestamp>1245333060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are ordered to leave the Bronx!</p><p>(mst3k reference, Escape 2000)<br>I'm surprised no one's posted this yet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are ordered to leave the Bronx !
( mst3k reference , Escape 2000 ) I 'm surprised no one 's posted this yet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are ordered to leave the Bronx!
(mst3k reference, Escape 2000)I'm surprised no one's posted this yet.</sentencetext>
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