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	<title>FDA Says Homeopathic Cure Can Cause Loss of Smell</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1245246780000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"The FDA has advised consumers to stop using Matrixx Initiatives' Zicam Cold Remedy nasal gel marketed over-the-counter as a cold remedy because it is <a href="http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm167065.htm">associated with the loss of sense of smell (anosmia) that may be long-lasting or permanent</a>.  The FDA says about 130 consumers have reported a loss of smell after using the homeopathic cure containing zinc, an ingredient scientists say may damage nerves in the nose needed for smell and health officials say they have asked Matrixx executives to turn over more than 800 consumer complaints concerning lost smell that the company has on file. 'Loss of the sense of smell is potentially life-threatening and may be permanent,' said Dr. Charles Lee. 'People without the sense of smell may not be able to detect life-dangerous situations, such as gas leaks or something burning in the house.' The FDA said the <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31388177/ns/health-cold\_and\_flu/">remedy was never formally approved</a> because it is part of a small group of remedies known as homeopathic products that are not required to undergo federal review before launching. The global market for homeopathic drugs is about $200 million per year, according to the American Association of Homeopathic Pharmacists. Matrixx has settled hundreds of lawsuits connected with Zicam in recent years, but says it 'will <a href="http://www.zicam.com/messagetoconsumers">seek a meeting with the FDA to vigorously defend its scientific data</a>, developed during more than 10 years of experience with the products, demonstrating their safety.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " The FDA has advised consumers to stop using Matrixx Initiatives ' Zicam Cold Remedy nasal gel marketed over-the-counter as a cold remedy because it is associated with the loss of sense of smell ( anosmia ) that may be long-lasting or permanent .
The FDA says about 130 consumers have reported a loss of smell after using the homeopathic cure containing zinc , an ingredient scientists say may damage nerves in the nose needed for smell and health officials say they have asked Matrixx executives to turn over more than 800 consumer complaints concerning lost smell that the company has on file .
'Loss of the sense of smell is potentially life-threatening and may be permanent, ' said Dr. Charles Lee .
'People without the sense of smell may not be able to detect life-dangerous situations , such as gas leaks or something burning in the house .
' The FDA said the remedy was never formally approved because it is part of a small group of remedies known as homeopathic products that are not required to undergo federal review before launching .
The global market for homeopathic drugs is about $ 200 million per year , according to the American Association of Homeopathic Pharmacists .
Matrixx has settled hundreds of lawsuits connected with Zicam in recent years , but says it 'will seek a meeting with the FDA to vigorously defend its scientific data , developed during more than 10 years of experience with the products , demonstrating their safety .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "The FDA has advised consumers to stop using Matrixx Initiatives' Zicam Cold Remedy nasal gel marketed over-the-counter as a cold remedy because it is associated with the loss of sense of smell (anosmia) that may be long-lasting or permanent.
The FDA says about 130 consumers have reported a loss of smell after using the homeopathic cure containing zinc, an ingredient scientists say may damage nerves in the nose needed for smell and health officials say they have asked Matrixx executives to turn over more than 800 consumer complaints concerning lost smell that the company has on file.
'Loss of the sense of smell is potentially life-threatening and may be permanent,' said Dr. Charles Lee.
'People without the sense of smell may not be able to detect life-dangerous situations, such as gas leaks or something burning in the house.
' The FDA said the remedy was never formally approved because it is part of a small group of remedies known as homeopathic products that are not required to undergo federal review before launching.
The global market for homeopathic drugs is about $200 million per year, according to the American Association of Homeopathic Pharmacists.
Matrixx has settled hundreds of lawsuits connected with Zicam in recent years, but says it 'will seek a meeting with the FDA to vigorously defend its scientific data, developed during more than 10 years of experience with the products, demonstrating their safety.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28375325</id>
	<title>Hmmmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245345300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have used homeopathic remedies for many years and they work like a charm...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have used homeopathic remedies for many years and they work like a charm.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have used homeopathic remedies for many years and they work like a charm...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369061</id>
	<title>There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245253920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do know people who had been successfully treated with homeopathy without knowing the intended effect. Specifically the subject stopped having uneasy sleep, which it had been having for a long time, just by taking a few drops of a bach flower remedy on a regular basis. The subject was a child, have never been told what was supposed to be cured and apparently there was no other reason for the end of the symptom.</p><p>I know homeopathy probably won't cure severe diseases, but it isn't as useless as people think. Seemingly there is no reason for it to work at all, yet there are people who get results by taking it. </p><p>Being skeptic will not achieve anything. If it seemingly works for some people we shouldn't say "it doesn't work" just because we believe it is not supposed to work. We should ask ourselves why it works. Discover why and in which circumstances it could work rather than just trying to disprove it.</p><p>Reality beats theory at any time, don't limit yourself to what the books say. You may even end up discovering something completely new.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do know people who had been successfully treated with homeopathy without knowing the intended effect .
Specifically the subject stopped having uneasy sleep , which it had been having for a long time , just by taking a few drops of a bach flower remedy on a regular basis .
The subject was a child , have never been told what was supposed to be cured and apparently there was no other reason for the end of the symptom.I know homeopathy probably wo n't cure severe diseases , but it is n't as useless as people think .
Seemingly there is no reason for it to work at all , yet there are people who get results by taking it .
Being skeptic will not achieve anything .
If it seemingly works for some people we should n't say " it does n't work " just because we believe it is not supposed to work .
We should ask ourselves why it works .
Discover why and in which circumstances it could work rather than just trying to disprove it.Reality beats theory at any time , do n't limit yourself to what the books say .
You may even end up discovering something completely new .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do know people who had been successfully treated with homeopathy without knowing the intended effect.
Specifically the subject stopped having uneasy sleep, which it had been having for a long time, just by taking a few drops of a bach flower remedy on a regular basis.
The subject was a child, have never been told what was supposed to be cured and apparently there was no other reason for the end of the symptom.I know homeopathy probably won't cure severe diseases, but it isn't as useless as people think.
Seemingly there is no reason for it to work at all, yet there are people who get results by taking it.
Being skeptic will not achieve anything.
If it seemingly works for some people we shouldn't say "it doesn't work" just because we believe it is not supposed to work.
We should ask ourselves why it works.
Discover why and in which circumstances it could work rather than just trying to disprove it.Reality beats theory at any time, don't limit yourself to what the books say.
You may even end up discovering something completely new.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368773</id>
	<title>These medications dont get tested by the FDA?</title>
	<author>CountOfJesusChristo</author>
	<datestamp>1245251220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Something about this doesn't smell right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something about this does n't smell right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something about this doesn't smell right.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28387715</id>
	<title>Data point: actual case</title>
	<author>brentlaminack</author>
	<datestamp>1245415260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of my business partners took this stuff about two years ago and completely lost her sense of smell within 30 minutes. Yes, it's dangerous. Yes, it needs to be off the market. Yes, the manufacturer has known of the dangers for years, having been sued numerous times. Yes, they should be held accountable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of my business partners took this stuff about two years ago and completely lost her sense of smell within 30 minutes .
Yes , it 's dangerous .
Yes , it needs to be off the market .
Yes , the manufacturer has known of the dangers for years , having been sued numerous times .
Yes , they should be held accountable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of my business partners took this stuff about two years ago and completely lost her sense of smell within 30 minutes.
Yes, it's dangerous.
Yes, it needs to be off the market.
Yes, the manufacturer has known of the dangers for years, having been sued numerous times.
Yes, they should be held accountable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369099</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>michaelhood</author>
	<datestamp>1245254160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No sense of taste: Zune?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No sense of taste : Zune ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No sense of taste: Zune?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28372157</id>
	<title>Re:Only the nasal version</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1245330300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Zicam topical cold sore zinc gel stuff works well, too. I think the product in question here <i>works</i>, it's just that applying that much zinc directly to your sensitive nasal areas has extremely unpleasant side effects.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Zicam topical cold sore zinc gel stuff works well , too .
I think the product in question here works , it 's just that applying that much zinc directly to your sensitive nasal areas has extremely unpleasant side effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Zicam topical cold sore zinc gel stuff works well, too.
I think the product in question here works, it's just that applying that much zinc directly to your sensitive nasal areas has extremely unpleasant side effects.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368691</id>
	<title>It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245250620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if it actually does anything at all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if it actually does anything at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if it actually does anything at all.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Fucking idiots</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245251280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>shut up you nazi faggot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>shut up you nazi faggot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>shut up you nazi faggot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28370517</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>anarchyboy</author>
	<datestamp>1245356520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> MDs prescribe them regularly.</p></div><p>

Do they? I was under the impression that prescribing a placebo as treatment and lieing to a patient would be unethical. If I'm ill and there is no treatment surely I have a right to be told that. If I'm ill and there is a treatment (ie works better than placebo) then the doctor should be giving that.</p></div>
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<tokenext>MDs prescribe them regularly .
Do they ?
I was under the impression that prescribing a placebo as treatment and lieing to a patient would be unethical .
If I 'm ill and there is no treatment surely I have a right to be told that .
If I 'm ill and there is a treatment ( ie works better than placebo ) then the doctor should be giving that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> MDs prescribe them regularly.
Do they?
I was under the impression that prescribing a placebo as treatment and lieing to a patient would be unethical.
If I'm ill and there is no treatment surely I have a right to be told that.
If I'm ill and there is a treatment (ie works better than placebo) then the doctor should be giving that.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28375605</id>
	<title>Re:Better scent than anything else.</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1245346380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Only once every few weeks or so do I hear comments such as "oooh doesn't that smell wonderful?! mmm", however much more frequently I do hear comments such as "Uhh awww who the hell.. oh my god" and room fleeing.</i></p><p>That might just be you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only once every few weeks or so do I hear comments such as " oooh does n't that smell wonderful ? !
mmm " , however much more frequently I do hear comments such as " Uhh awww who the hell.. oh my god " and room fleeing.That might just be you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only once every few weeks or so do I hear comments such as "oooh doesn't that smell wonderful?!
mmm", however much more frequently I do hear comments such as "Uhh awww who the hell.. oh my god" and room fleeing.That might just be you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28374389</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>uncoveror</author>
	<datestamp>1245341460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Placebos work when the problem is all in your head, but they will not cure or treat any real disease. Prescribe placebos for a staph infection, cancer, AIDS or any other real disease, and the patient will die. Homeopathy is just a placebo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Placebos work when the problem is all in your head , but they will not cure or treat any real disease .
Prescribe placebos for a staph infection , cancer , AIDS or any other real disease , and the patient will die .
Homeopathy is just a placebo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Placebos work when the problem is all in your head, but they will not cure or treat any real disease.
Prescribe placebos for a staph infection, cancer, AIDS or any other real disease, and the patient will die.
Homeopathy is just a placebo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28372799</id>
	<title>Re:Better scent than anything else.</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1245334440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I've only half-lost my scent, but it can be frustrating when people try to have me smell things, forgetting I'm the only person they know who can't smell.</p><p>I do also get stuck with cleaning up the grossest things possible, but I've been invulnerable to grossness long before I lost my scent.</p><p>I use gas for the stove and heating, I get concerned sometimes there could be a leak I don't notice. I'm just glad I don't like alone anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I 've only half-lost my scent , but it can be frustrating when people try to have me smell things , forgetting I 'm the only person they know who ca n't smell.I do also get stuck with cleaning up the grossest things possible , but I 've been invulnerable to grossness long before I lost my scent.I use gas for the stove and heating , I get concerned sometimes there could be a leak I do n't notice .
I 'm just glad I do n't like alone anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I've only half-lost my scent, but it can be frustrating when people try to have me smell things, forgetting I'm the only person they know who can't smell.I do also get stuck with cleaning up the grossest things possible, but I've been invulnerable to grossness long before I lost my scent.I use gas for the stove and heating, I get concerned sometimes there could be a leak I don't notice.
I'm just glad I don't like alone anymore.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28372107</id>
	<title>Re:Only the nasal version</title>
	<author>Vintermann</author>
	<datestamp>1245329820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Swear all you want, but a Cochrane review concluded there was no evidence they worked:</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc\_gluconate" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc\_gluconate</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>That said, I don't think personal experiences should always be dismissed. I know if someone came to me and said corticosteroids did nothing for excema, or oxymetazoline did nothing to clear your nose, I'd laugh at them, no matter their credentials.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Swear all you want , but a Cochrane review concluded there was no evidence they worked : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc \ _gluconate [ wikipedia.org ] That said , I do n't think personal experiences should always be dismissed .
I know if someone came to me and said corticosteroids did nothing for excema , or oxymetazoline did nothing to clear your nose , I 'd laugh at them , no matter their credentials .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Swear all you want, but a Cochrane review concluded there was no evidence they worked:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinc\_gluconate [wikipedia.org]That said, I don't think personal experiences should always be dismissed.
I know if someone came to me and said corticosteroids did nothing for excema, or oxymetazoline did nothing to clear your nose, I'd laugh at them, no matter their credentials.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28380673</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245319680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested, "</p><p>Yes, but that's do to a poor drug. TO be considered medical effective it must perform better the placebo.</p><p>Placebo are not 'regularly' prescribe'. There has been a report of increased use, but it's not precribed 'regularly'.</p><p>"...but whats wrong with that? i"<br>Because you aren't actually treating anything.</p><p>"if you have a neuralgia or pain or dysfunction and somebody gives you a pill and the condition improves"<br>The condition DOES NOT improve. You just mask symptoms. You can not heal an injury with the placebo.</p><p>"what does it matter what the pill is made of?<br>Becasue some homeopathic drugs marketing under 'placebo' effect have been know to have actually things in them, like Zinc, or Speed, or a dengerous level of vitamins.</p><p>"placebos should be preferred as they don't have side effects."<br>except they can make people ignore the actually problem, and then die.</p><p>Not about placebos specifically, but along the same vain as your post:</p><p><a href="http://whatstheharm.net/" title="whatstheharm.net">http://whatstheharm.net/</a> [whatstheharm.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested , " Yes , but that 's do to a poor drug .
TO be considered medical effective it must perform better the placebo.Placebo are not 'regularly ' prescribe' .
There has been a report of increased use , but it 's not precribed 'regularly' .
" ...but whats wrong with that ?
i " Because you are n't actually treating anything .
" if you have a neuralgia or pain or dysfunction and somebody gives you a pill and the condition improves " The condition DOES NOT improve .
You just mask symptoms .
You can not heal an injury with the placebo .
" what does it matter what the pill is made of ? Becasue some homeopathic drugs marketing under 'placebo ' effect have been know to have actually things in them , like Zinc , or Speed , or a dengerous level of vitamins .
" placebos should be preferred as they do n't have side effects .
" except they can make people ignore the actually problem , and then die.Not about placebos specifically , but along the same vain as your post : http : //whatstheharm.net/ [ whatstheharm.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested, "Yes, but that's do to a poor drug.
TO be considered medical effective it must perform better the placebo.Placebo are not 'regularly' prescribe'.
There has been a report of increased use, but it's not precribed 'regularly'.
"...but whats wrong with that?
i"Because you aren't actually treating anything.
"if you have a neuralgia or pain or dysfunction and somebody gives you a pill and the condition improves"The condition DOES NOT improve.
You just mask symptoms.
You can not heal an injury with the placebo.
"what does it matter what the pill is made of?Becasue some homeopathic drugs marketing under 'placebo' effect have been know to have actually things in them, like Zinc, or Speed, or a dengerous level of vitamins.
"placebos should be preferred as they don't have side effects.
"except they can make people ignore the actually problem, and then die.Not about placebos specifically, but along the same vain as your post:http://whatstheharm.net/ [whatstheharm.net]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369195</id>
	<title>Re:Not Homeopathic</title>
	<author>fusellovirus</author>
	<datestamp>1245255300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is loophole that needs to be filled. a detailed discussion why is  <a href="http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=530" title="sciencebasedmedicine.org" rel="nofollow">here</a> [sciencebasedmedicine.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is loophole that needs to be filled .
a detailed discussion why is here [ sciencebasedmedicine.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is loophole that needs to be filled.
a detailed discussion why is  here [sciencebasedmedicine.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28375785</id>
	<title>Re:Pull it off the market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245347160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And FDA Approval is going to make pharmaceuticals safe?<br>How many other Vioxx type court decisions {http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/03/02.php} have to be handed down before the majority of people realize that "FDA Approved" is not an immediate certainty, nor has it ever been, of real safety.<br>Here's also an L.A. Times article relating some of the problems that have occured with the FDA<br>http://articles.latimes.com/2005/mar/02/business/fi-biogen2</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And FDA Approval is going to make pharmaceuticals safe ? How many other Vioxx type court decisions { http : //www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/03/02.php } have to be handed down before the majority of people realize that " FDA Approved " is not an immediate certainty , nor has it ever been , of real safety.Here 's also an L.A. Times article relating some of the problems that have occured with the FDAhttp : //articles.latimes.com/2005/mar/02/business/fi-biogen2</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And FDA Approval is going to make pharmaceuticals safe?How many other Vioxx type court decisions {http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/03/02.php} have to be handed down before the majority of people realize that "FDA Approved" is not an immediate certainty, nor has it ever been, of real safety.Here's also an L.A. Times article relating some of the problems that have occured with the FDAhttp://articles.latimes.com/2005/mar/02/business/fi-biogen2</sentencetext>
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	<title>Memory of Water</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245320040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chemistry is not enough. It's 2009 here. Quantum physics might be more appropriate. Anyway...</p><p># Thermodynamics of extremely diluted aqueous solutions.<br>Elia V, Niccoli M.<br>Ann N Y Acad Sci. 1999 Jun 30;879:241-8.<br>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10415834</p><p># Permanent physico-chemical properties of extremely diluted aqueous solutions of homeopathic medicines.<br>Elia V, Baiano S, Duro I, Napoli E, Niccoli M, Nonatelli L.<br>Homeopathy. 2004 Jul;93(3):144-50.<br>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15287434</p><p># The 'Memory of Water': an almost deciphered enigma. Dissipative structures in extremely dilute aqueous solutions.<br>Elia V, Napoli E, Germano R.<br>Homeopathy. 2007 Jul;96(3):163-9.<br>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17678812</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chemistry is not enough .
It 's 2009 here .
Quantum physics might be more appropriate .
Anyway... # Thermodynamics of extremely diluted aqueous solutions.Elia V , Niccoli M.Ann N Y Acad Sci .
1999 Jun 30 ; 879 : 241-8.http : //www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10415834 # Permanent physico-chemical properties of extremely diluted aqueous solutions of homeopathic medicines.Elia V , Baiano S , Duro I , Napoli E , Niccoli M , Nonatelli L.Homeopathy .
2004 Jul ; 93 ( 3 ) : 144-50.http : //www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15287434 # The 'Memory of Water ' : an almost deciphered enigma .
Dissipative structures in extremely dilute aqueous solutions.Elia V , Napoli E , Germano R.Homeopathy .
2007 Jul ; 96 ( 3 ) : 163-9.http : //www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17678812</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chemistry is not enough.
It's 2009 here.
Quantum physics might be more appropriate.
Anyway...# Thermodynamics of extremely diluted aqueous solutions.Elia V, Niccoli M.Ann N Y Acad Sci.
1999 Jun 30;879:241-8.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10415834# Permanent physico-chemical properties of extremely diluted aqueous solutions of homeopathic medicines.Elia V, Baiano S, Duro I, Napoli E, Niccoli M, Nonatelli L.Homeopathy.
2004 Jul;93(3):144-50.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15287434# The 'Memory of Water': an almost deciphered enigma.
Dissipative structures in extremely dilute aqueous solutions.Elia V, Napoli E, Germano R.Homeopathy.
2007 Jul;96(3):163-9.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17678812</sentencetext>
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	<title>To all you nay-sayers of homeopathic medicine:</title>
	<author>DisKurzion</author>
	<datestamp>1245336420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have two words for you: calms forte</p><p>Best sleep aid/anti-anxiety on the planet.  4 of those and you'll have one of the best night's sleep in your life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have two words for you : calms forteBest sleep aid/anti-anxiety on the planet .
4 of those and you 'll have one of the best night 's sleep in your life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have two words for you: calms forteBest sleep aid/anti-anxiety on the planet.
4 of those and you'll have one of the best night's sleep in your life.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28370935</id>
	<title>Re:Better scent than anything else.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245317160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've lost my smell to nasal polyps and chronic sinusitis years ago, it's a little disappointing sometimes but sometimes it's nice not having to smell awful things.</p><p>I've heard that when you can't smell you can't taste, which is bullshit. I can't tell the difference between some things but I do very much have a vivid sense of taste still.</p><p>And you know that "You lose one sense you gain another" thing? It doesn't work with smell.</p></div><p>Same here. I had an operation two years ago, and it certainly helped unblock my nose, but my sense of smell hasn't returned. The weird thing is that I do have occasional flashes where I can suddenly smell perfectly fine, but it never lasts more than a few seconds. And like you, I don't believe my sense of taste is affected in any way.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've lost my smell to nasal polyps and chronic sinusitis years ago , it 's a little disappointing sometimes but sometimes it 's nice not having to smell awful things.I 've heard that when you ca n't smell you ca n't taste , which is bullshit .
I ca n't tell the difference between some things but I do very much have a vivid sense of taste still.And you know that " You lose one sense you gain another " thing ?
It does n't work with smell.Same here .
I had an operation two years ago , and it certainly helped unblock my nose , but my sense of smell has n't returned .
The weird thing is that I do have occasional flashes where I can suddenly smell perfectly fine , but it never lasts more than a few seconds .
And like you , I do n't believe my sense of taste is affected in any way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've lost my smell to nasal polyps and chronic sinusitis years ago, it's a little disappointing sometimes but sometimes it's nice not having to smell awful things.I've heard that when you can't smell you can't taste, which is bullshit.
I can't tell the difference between some things but I do very much have a vivid sense of taste still.And you know that "You lose one sense you gain another" thing?
It doesn't work with smell.Same here.
I had an operation two years ago, and it certainly helped unblock my nose, but my sense of smell hasn't returned.
The weird thing is that I do have occasional flashes where I can suddenly smell perfectly fine, but it never lasts more than a few seconds.
And like you, I don't believe my sense of taste is affected in any way.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369283</id>
	<title>Mod parent up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245256140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This ever growing category of unregulated drugs are becoming a real problem. Not just is there the problem that sometimes (like in this case) the fact that it's unregulated makes it possible to sneak actually harmful ingredients in there, but to Joe Average these "cures" look just like real medicine (at least those at my local pharmacy do) and only us in the know can tell that they aren't. That's all well and good for headaches that usually cure themselves anyway but if people really need a working drug and they aren't getting it, for example because they think that they are taking one, that can have grave medical consequences. Not to mention what can happen if people, encouraged for example by the fact that these things are sold in the pharmacy like any other drug, really believe that it works and then are blinded to the signs that it doesn't.<br><a href="http://whatstheharm.net/homeopathy.html" title="whatstheharm.net" rel="nofollow">http://whatstheharm.net/homeopathy.html</a> [whatstheharm.net]<br>P.S. There is a homeopathic drug that actually works. The "active ingredient" is salt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This ever growing category of unregulated drugs are becoming a real problem .
Not just is there the problem that sometimes ( like in this case ) the fact that it 's unregulated makes it possible to sneak actually harmful ingredients in there , but to Joe Average these " cures " look just like real medicine ( at least those at my local pharmacy do ) and only us in the know can tell that they are n't .
That 's all well and good for headaches that usually cure themselves anyway but if people really need a working drug and they are n't getting it , for example because they think that they are taking one , that can have grave medical consequences .
Not to mention what can happen if people , encouraged for example by the fact that these things are sold in the pharmacy like any other drug , really believe that it works and then are blinded to the signs that it does n't.http : //whatstheharm.net/homeopathy.html [ whatstheharm.net ] P.S .
There is a homeopathic drug that actually works .
The " active ingredient " is salt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This ever growing category of unregulated drugs are becoming a real problem.
Not just is there the problem that sometimes (like in this case) the fact that it's unregulated makes it possible to sneak actually harmful ingredients in there, but to Joe Average these "cures" look just like real medicine (at least those at my local pharmacy do) and only us in the know can tell that they aren't.
That's all well and good for headaches that usually cure themselves anyway but if people really need a working drug and they aren't getting it, for example because they think that they are taking one, that can have grave medical consequences.
Not to mention what can happen if people, encouraged for example by the fact that these things are sold in the pharmacy like any other drug, really believe that it works and then are blinded to the signs that it doesn't.http://whatstheharm.net/homeopathy.html [whatstheharm.net]P.S.
There is a homeopathic drug that actually works.
The "active ingredient" is salt.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28377545</id>
	<title>loss of smell = pull product, lung cancer = ?</title>
	<author>willutah</author>
	<datestamp>1245353460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, now that the FDA will be regulating cigarettes, how long will it take for them to figure out they are worse for your health than Zicam?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , now that the FDA will be regulating cigarettes , how long will it take for them to figure out they are worse for your health than Zicam ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, now that the FDA will be regulating cigarettes, how long will it take for them to figure out they are worse for your health than Zicam?</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Pull it off the market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245325560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We need to ban the possesion, sale and consumption of dihydrogen oxide - It also causes death..... Idiot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We need to ban the possesion , sale and consumption of dihydrogen oxide - It also causes death..... Idiot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need to ban the possesion, sale and consumption of dihydrogen oxide - It also causes death..... Idiot.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28373493</id>
	<title>"Normal" loss of smell sense?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245337740000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>How many people would've lost their sense of smell anyway? 130 sounds like a very low number... possibly within the "normal" range for the sample size used? DNRTFA</p><p>Q: how do you keep a skunk from smelling?</p><p>A: give him Zircam</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How many people would 've lost their sense of smell anyway ?
130 sounds like a very low number... possibly within the " normal " range for the sample size used ?
DNRTFAQ : how do you keep a skunk from smelling ? A : give him Zircam</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How many people would've lost their sense of smell anyway?
130 sounds like a very low number... possibly within the "normal" range for the sample size used?
DNRTFAQ: how do you keep a skunk from smelling?A: give him Zircam</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28371105</id>
	<title>Re:Eh? Homeopathic?</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1245318660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><i>Homeopathic quackery is infamous and justly ridiculed for the fact that its 'remedies' contain exactly no active ingredients and - unsurprisingly - also have exactly no biological effects. This zinc based stuff is obviously not homeopathic.</i> </p><p>No no no, you misunderstand homeopathy completely. You see, the "weak" homeopathic stuff ("low potency") might actually still contain some of the active ingredient, while the "strong" stuff ("high potency", used by, err, "professionals") usually doesn't.</p><p>Also, you treat diseases with stuff that causes the same symptoms. So, if colds cause you to lose your sense of smell, then something that causes loss of sense of smell is used to treat colds.</p><p>As far as I'm concerned, the people who bought this stuff and lost their sense of smell got \_exactly\_ what they were asking for. If they don't understand the hypotheses used in homeopathy, that's not the fault of whoever makes the remedies. Maybe they should see a "professional" next time and get some of the "high potency" stuff that doesn't contain any trace of the active ingredient, then they won't experience any of the symptoms that the ingredient would cause.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Homeopathic quackery is infamous and justly ridiculed for the fact that its 'remedies ' contain exactly no active ingredients and - unsurprisingly - also have exactly no biological effects .
This zinc based stuff is obviously not homeopathic .
No no no , you misunderstand homeopathy completely .
You see , the " weak " homeopathic stuff ( " low potency " ) might actually still contain some of the active ingredient , while the " strong " stuff ( " high potency " , used by , err , " professionals " ) usually does n't.Also , you treat diseases with stuff that causes the same symptoms .
So , if colds cause you to lose your sense of smell , then something that causes loss of sense of smell is used to treat colds.As far as I 'm concerned , the people who bought this stuff and lost their sense of smell got \ _exactly \ _ what they were asking for .
If they do n't understand the hypotheses used in homeopathy , that 's not the fault of whoever makes the remedies .
Maybe they should see a " professional " next time and get some of the " high potency " stuff that does n't contain any trace of the active ingredient , then they wo n't experience any of the symptoms that the ingredient would cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Homeopathic quackery is infamous and justly ridiculed for the fact that its 'remedies' contain exactly no active ingredients and - unsurprisingly - also have exactly no biological effects.
This zinc based stuff is obviously not homeopathic.
No no no, you misunderstand homeopathy completely.
You see, the "weak" homeopathic stuff ("low potency") might actually still contain some of the active ingredient, while the "strong" stuff ("high potency", used by, err, "professionals") usually doesn't.Also, you treat diseases with stuff that causes the same symptoms.
So, if colds cause you to lose your sense of smell, then something that causes loss of sense of smell is used to treat colds.As far as I'm concerned, the people who bought this stuff and lost their sense of smell got \_exactly\_ what they were asking for.
If they don't understand the hypotheses used in homeopathy, that's not the fault of whoever makes the remedies.
Maybe they should see a "professional" next time and get some of the "high potency" stuff that doesn't contain any trace of the active ingredient, then they won't experience any of the symptoms that the ingredient would cause.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368915</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>pyrrhonist</author>
	<datestamp>1245252540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>One thing you can be sure of is that a kid with these all problems sure plays a mean pinball.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing you can be sure of is that a kid with these all problems sure plays a mean pinball .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing you can be sure of is that a kid with these all problems sure plays a mean pinball.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28380887</id>
	<title>Re:Zicam is not homeopathic.</title>
	<author>Vitriol+Angst</author>
	<datestamp>1245320460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>No, you are referring to one type of Homeopathic treatment.</p><p>"Homeopathic" just means; "Like heals like."</p><p>The Zicam has plenty of Zinc in it -- which I think is the issue here. I just saw a program talking about people using too much denture cream, and having temporary nervous disorders from getting too much Zinc in their system.</p><p>If it were so diluted that it didn't work -- where would be the issue of losing a sense of smell?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you are referring to one type of Homeopathic treatment .
" Homeopathic " just means ; " Like heals like .
" The Zicam has plenty of Zinc in it -- which I think is the issue here .
I just saw a program talking about people using too much denture cream , and having temporary nervous disorders from getting too much Zinc in their system.If it were so diluted that it did n't work -- where would be the issue of losing a sense of smell ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you are referring to one type of Homeopathic treatment.
"Homeopathic" just means; "Like heals like.
"The Zicam has plenty of Zinc in it -- which I think is the issue here.
I just saw a program talking about people using too much denture cream, and having temporary nervous disorders from getting too much Zinc in their system.If it were so diluted that it didn't work -- where would be the issue of losing a sense of smell?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368923</id>
	<title>But....</title>
	<author>dooms13</author>
	<datestamp>1245252660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>At least I won't have a stuffy, runny nose as a result of my cold!</htmltext>
<tokenext>At least I wo n't have a stuffy , runny nose as a result of my cold !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least I won't have a stuffy, runny nose as a result of my cold!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368687</id>
	<title>Fucking idiots</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245250620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They need to withdraw that product NOW, not fucking battle it out with the FDA. stupid capitalism and stupid people to blame here</htmltext>
<tokenext>They need to withdraw that product NOW , not fucking battle it out with the FDA .
stupid capitalism and stupid people to blame here</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They need to withdraw that product NOW, not fucking battle it out with the FDA.
stupid capitalism and stupid people to blame here</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28370251</id>
	<title>claims make little sense</title>
	<author>jipn4</author>
	<datestamp>1245267240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>There are about 130 cases of loss of smell "after" application of Zicam.  People concluded it was the Zicam because after squirting it into their nose too vigorously, they experienced pain and then they lost their smell later.  But it would be hard to get this stuff up your nose far enough to reach your smell receptors, and people who did were not using it as instructed ("So he held the nasal gel to his nose, pumped and inhaled.").</p><p>A more likely explanation is that in hundreds of millions of uses every year, some people experience loss of smell by chance (it's fairly common), and among those, some people used it incorrectly or irritated their nose when using Zicam and drew the wrong conclusions.</p><p>It's probably no big deal by itself if Zicam gets taken off the market: there is little evidence that it works.  It's also mislabeled because it isn't actually "homeopathic".  But the principle and reasoning itself are disturbing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are about 130 cases of loss of smell " after " application of Zicam .
People concluded it was the Zicam because after squirting it into their nose too vigorously , they experienced pain and then they lost their smell later .
But it would be hard to get this stuff up your nose far enough to reach your smell receptors , and people who did were not using it as instructed ( " So he held the nasal gel to his nose , pumped and inhaled .
" ) .A more likely explanation is that in hundreds of millions of uses every year , some people experience loss of smell by chance ( it 's fairly common ) , and among those , some people used it incorrectly or irritated their nose when using Zicam and drew the wrong conclusions.It 's probably no big deal by itself if Zicam gets taken off the market : there is little evidence that it works .
It 's also mislabeled because it is n't actually " homeopathic " .
But the principle and reasoning itself are disturbing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are about 130 cases of loss of smell "after" application of Zicam.
People concluded it was the Zicam because after squirting it into their nose too vigorously, they experienced pain and then they lost their smell later.
But it would be hard to get this stuff up your nose far enough to reach your smell receptors, and people who did were not using it as instructed ("So he held the nasal gel to his nose, pumped and inhaled.
").A more likely explanation is that in hundreds of millions of uses every year, some people experience loss of smell by chance (it's fairly common), and among those, some people used it incorrectly or irritated their nose when using Zicam and drew the wrong conclusions.It's probably no big deal by itself if Zicam gets taken off the market: there is little evidence that it works.
It's also mislabeled because it isn't actually "homeopathic".
But the principle and reasoning itself are disturbing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28373909</id>
	<title>Re:Better scent than anything else.</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1245339540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to make light of your scenario at all--I am very close to someone with anosmia--but I can't help but think of how this could be used as a weight loss tool. No seriously, bear with me... how many people say they just <i>can't</i> stop eating foods they love? Granted, I'm very much in favour of the "grow a pair, have some self-control" school of thought, but let's face it--if someone found and marketed a product that temporarily, completely turned off their sense of smell/taste... it might not be ethical but they'd make a <i>hell of a lot</i> of money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to make light of your scenario at all--I am very close to someone with anosmia--but I ca n't help but think of how this could be used as a weight loss tool .
No seriously , bear with me... how many people say they just ca n't stop eating foods they love ?
Granted , I 'm very much in favour of the " grow a pair , have some self-control " school of thought , but let 's face it--if someone found and marketed a product that temporarily , completely turned off their sense of smell/taste... it might not be ethical but they 'd make a hell of a lot of money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to make light of your scenario at all--I am very close to someone with anosmia--but I can't help but think of how this could be used as a weight loss tool.
No seriously, bear with me... how many people say they just can't stop eating foods they love?
Granted, I'm very much in favour of the "grow a pair, have some self-control" school of thought, but let's face it--if someone found and marketed a product that temporarily, completely turned off their sense of smell/taste... it might not be ethical but they'd make a hell of a lot of money.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28395973</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1245406860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IANA doctor, but you need to be corrected for some of the blaring misconceptions you have.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>the interesting thing is that the placebo effect (which you are basically describing) is a very well documented medical fact. in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested,</p><p><div class="quote"><p>No, it isn't When the drug being tested is less effective than the placebo, then that means it is not effective.</p></div><p> and its not because the drug sucks or that people are faking it. there is a huge misconception and stigma surrounding placebos. MDs prescribe them regularly.</p></div><p>And when they do, it's called "FRAUD". Again, IANA doctor, but placebos only work if the patient doesn't know they getting snake oil. Doctors could get disbarred for doing what you say they're doing.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> they \_WORK\_ . sure, its basically fooling your brain,</p></div><p>There's more to it than that. People taking medication often alter their behavior, eating better, exercising more, and doing all the things their doctor keeps telling them they should be doing. That's a big part of why taking a sugar pill is more effective than simply doing nothing.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> but whats wrong with that?</p></div><p>See the fraud statement before. You're telling the patient to buy something he doesn't need. That expense is being passed on to the insurance company. Do you think they would simply shell out the money and go on?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.</p></div><p>They don't have normal effects either.</p></div>
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<tokenext>IANA doctor , but you need to be corrected for some of the blaring misconceptions you have.the interesting thing is that the placebo effect ( which you are basically describing ) is a very well documented medical fact .
in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested,No , it is n't When the drug being tested is less effective than the placebo , then that means it is not effective .
and its not because the drug sucks or that people are faking it .
there is a huge misconception and stigma surrounding placebos .
MDs prescribe them regularly.And when they do , it 's called " FRAUD " .
Again , IANA doctor , but placebos only work if the patient does n't know they getting snake oil .
Doctors could get disbarred for doing what you say they 're doing .
they \ _WORK \ _ .
sure , its basically fooling your brain,There 's more to it than that .
People taking medication often alter their behavior , eating better , exercising more , and doing all the things their doctor keeps telling them they should be doing .
That 's a big part of why taking a sugar pill is more effective than simply doing nothing .
but whats wrong with that ? See the fraud statement before .
You 're telling the patient to buy something he does n't need .
That expense is being passed on to the insurance company .
Do you think they would simply shell out the money and go on ? placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.They do n't have normal effects either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IANA doctor, but you need to be corrected for some of the blaring misconceptions you have.the interesting thing is that the placebo effect (which you are basically describing) is a very well documented medical fact.
in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested,No, it isn't When the drug being tested is less effective than the placebo, then that means it is not effective.
and its not because the drug sucks or that people are faking it.
there is a huge misconception and stigma surrounding placebos.
MDs prescribe them regularly.And when they do, it's called "FRAUD".
Again, IANA doctor, but placebos only work if the patient doesn't know they getting snake oil.
Doctors could get disbarred for doing what you say they're doing.
they \_WORK\_ .
sure, its basically fooling your brain,There's more to it than that.
People taking medication often alter their behavior, eating better, exercising more, and doing all the things their doctor keeps telling them they should be doing.
That's a big part of why taking a sugar pill is more effective than simply doing nothing.
but whats wrong with that?See the fraud statement before.
You're telling the patient to buy something he doesn't need.
That expense is being passed on to the insurance company.
Do you think they would simply shell out the money and go on?placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.They don't have normal effects either.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368831</id>
	<title>I smoke tobacco</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245251760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and I can't smell shit, knowing the Obama administration I should switch to weed... oh wait!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and I ca n't smell shit , knowing the Obama administration I should switch to weed... oh wait !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and I can't smell shit, knowing the Obama administration I should switch to weed... oh wait!
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28388565</id>
	<title>Political Motivation</title>
	<author>JimThink</author>
	<datestamp>1245420540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What are the odds the FDA "discovered" this association because Zicam is a big sponsor on the Rush Limbaugh radio show?
<p>

Naw...that is too much like old time Chicago politics!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What are the odds the FDA " discovered " this association because Zicam is a big sponsor on the Rush Limbaugh radio show ?
Naw...that is too much like old time Chicago politics !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are the odds the FDA "discovered" this association because Zicam is a big sponsor on the Rush Limbaugh radio show?
Naw...that is too much like old time Chicago politics!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369167</id>
	<title>Re:Over The Counter Mass Produced Drugs = Bad</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245254880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It's a total mass produced, corporate, industrially made drug</i>
<br> <br>
Ah, so a drug made by one person is OK, then? How about two people? Ten? At which point does the number of people working in the facility that puts a given chemical into a given form change it from being Good to being Bad? Ah, I see, you're a blowhard nitwit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a total mass produced , corporate , industrially made drug Ah , so a drug made by one person is OK , then ?
How about two people ?
Ten ? At which point does the number of people working in the facility that puts a given chemical into a given form change it from being Good to being Bad ?
Ah , I see , you 're a blowhard nitwit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a total mass produced, corporate, industrially made drug
 
Ah, so a drug made by one person is OK, then?
How about two people?
Ten? At which point does the number of people working in the facility that puts a given chemical into a given form change it from being Good to being Bad?
Ah, I see, you're a blowhard nitwit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369857</id>
	<title>Re:Pull it off the market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245261840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Anything that attempts to cure or prevent disease needs to be evaluated and tested by the FDA.</p><p>But Zicam "has not been evaluated by the FDA. This product is not intended to &#226;diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Anything that attempts to cure or prevent disease needs to be evaluated and tested by the FDA.But Zicam " has not been evaluated by the FDA .
This product is not intended to   diagnose , treat , cure or prevent any disease .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Anything that attempts to cure or prevent disease needs to be evaluated and tested by the FDA.But Zicam "has not been evaluated by the FDA.
This product is not intended to âdiagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368789</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>fractoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245251400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>True. Apparently it "contains zinc" - according to <a href="http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/PostmarketDrugSafetyInformationforPatientsandProviders/ucm166927.htm" title="fda.gov">this fact sheet</a> [fda.gov]: <p><div class="quote"><p>While Zicam also makes zinc-containing oral cold remedies, these are not subject to this warning because the development of anosmia appears to be related to the intranasal application of zinc.</p></div><p>Don't these guys know ANYTHING about homeopathic medicines? The strongest ones don't have any of the 'active ingredient' in them at all, you just take sugar pills and think happy thoughts at them until the sun shines out your ass.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>True .
Apparently it " contains zinc " - according to this fact sheet [ fda.gov ] : While Zicam also makes zinc-containing oral cold remedies , these are not subject to this warning because the development of anosmia appears to be related to the intranasal application of zinc.Do n't these guys know ANYTHING about homeopathic medicines ?
The strongest ones do n't have any of the 'active ingredient ' in them at all , you just take sugar pills and think happy thoughts at them until the sun shines out your ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True.
Apparently it "contains zinc" - according to this fact sheet [fda.gov]: While Zicam also makes zinc-containing oral cold remedies, these are not subject to this warning because the development of anosmia appears to be related to the intranasal application of zinc.Don't these guys know ANYTHING about homeopathic medicines?
The strongest ones don't have any of the 'active ingredient' in them at all, you just take sugar pills and think happy thoughts at them until the sun shines out your ass.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369235</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people even take pharmacudical drugs?</title>
	<author>ScentCone</author>
	<datestamp>1245255780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The body has phenomenal healing capabilities</i>
<br> <br>
Sure, except when it doesn't, or is faced with a wound or pathogen that the body simply can't handle.
<br> <br>
<i>if people expanded their horizons and stopped popping Advils or taking Zicam when they aren't feeling well and taking another root (natural medicine, anyone?), It's guaranteed society would notice a difference</i>
<br> <br>
Ah, so you know of a root that is an analgesic, or which has anti-inflammatory properties? That's nice. Can you tell how to provide exactly the right amount of that root, prepared in exactly the right and consistent way, to produce just the anti-inflammatory effect needed without also causing liver or kidney trouble, or provoking an allergic response? Really? So, can you explain to a couple hundred thousand local witch doctors exactly how to predictably prepare, store, and dispense that substance so that anyone traveling can be sure they're getting just what they know will work, no matter where they go? I see, so we need some standards for preparation and dosing, just to be safe? I know, let's call those "pharmaceuticals."
<br> <br>
I know <i>precisely</i> how much Ibuprofen will relieve a handful of aches and pains that I can routinely get from certain physical activities. I can find it anywhere, and bank on the results. I'm glad that I don't have to go into an "alternative medicine" shop and get what I <i>hope</i> will be the right sort of powdered root extract from a guy who also promises me that ground up rhinocerous horn will improve my love life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The body has phenomenal healing capabilities Sure , except when it does n't , or is faced with a wound or pathogen that the body simply ca n't handle .
if people expanded their horizons and stopped popping Advils or taking Zicam when they are n't feeling well and taking another root ( natural medicine , anyone ?
) , It 's guaranteed society would notice a difference Ah , so you know of a root that is an analgesic , or which has anti-inflammatory properties ?
That 's nice .
Can you tell how to provide exactly the right amount of that root , prepared in exactly the right and consistent way , to produce just the anti-inflammatory effect needed without also causing liver or kidney trouble , or provoking an allergic response ?
Really ? So , can you explain to a couple hundred thousand local witch doctors exactly how to predictably prepare , store , and dispense that substance so that anyone traveling can be sure they 're getting just what they know will work , no matter where they go ?
I see , so we need some standards for preparation and dosing , just to be safe ?
I know , let 's call those " pharmaceuticals .
" I know precisely how much Ibuprofen will relieve a handful of aches and pains that I can routinely get from certain physical activities .
I can find it anywhere , and bank on the results .
I 'm glad that I do n't have to go into an " alternative medicine " shop and get what I hope will be the right sort of powdered root extract from a guy who also promises me that ground up rhinocerous horn will improve my love life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The body has phenomenal healing capabilities
 
Sure, except when it doesn't, or is faced with a wound or pathogen that the body simply can't handle.
if people expanded their horizons and stopped popping Advils or taking Zicam when they aren't feeling well and taking another root (natural medicine, anyone?
), It's guaranteed society would notice a difference
 
Ah, so you know of a root that is an analgesic, or which has anti-inflammatory properties?
That's nice.
Can you tell how to provide exactly the right amount of that root, prepared in exactly the right and consistent way, to produce just the anti-inflammatory effect needed without also causing liver or kidney trouble, or provoking an allergic response?
Really? So, can you explain to a couple hundred thousand local witch doctors exactly how to predictably prepare, store, and dispense that substance so that anyone traveling can be sure they're getting just what they know will work, no matter where they go?
I see, so we need some standards for preparation and dosing, just to be safe?
I know, let's call those "pharmaceuticals.
"
 
I know precisely how much Ibuprofen will relieve a handful of aches and pains that I can routinely get from certain physical activities.
I can find it anywhere, and bank on the results.
I'm glad that I don't have to go into an "alternative medicine" shop and get what I hope will be the right sort of powdered root extract from a guy who also promises me that ground up rhinocerous horn will improve my love life.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368955</id>
	<title>Zicam is not homeopathic.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245252900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Homeopathic remedies (which I prefer to call homeopathetic...), as others have stated, are diluted until there is a low to zero probability of them containing 1 molecule of substance.</p><p>This is stated to be a 1:100 dilution, which is 1\% active ingredient: a significant concentration of a proven active (and detremental) ingredient.<br>There use of homeopathic labels (2X, which means 2 dilutions of 1: 10) was done simply to avoid FDA attention, and they are likely to get into deep trouble because of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Homeopathic remedies ( which I prefer to call homeopathetic... ) , as others have stated , are diluted until there is a low to zero probability of them containing 1 molecule of substance.This is stated to be a 1 : 100 dilution , which is 1 \ % active ingredient : a significant concentration of a proven active ( and detremental ) ingredient.There use of homeopathic labels ( 2X , which means 2 dilutions of 1 : 10 ) was done simply to avoid FDA attention , and they are likely to get into deep trouble because of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Homeopathic remedies (which I prefer to call homeopathetic...), as others have stated, are diluted until there is a low to zero probability of them containing 1 molecule of substance.This is stated to be a 1:100 dilution, which is 1\% active ingredient: a significant concentration of a proven active (and detremental) ingredient.There use of homeopathic labels (2X, which means 2 dilutions of 1: 10) was done simply to avoid FDA attention, and they are likely to get into deep trouble because of it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28382289</id>
	<title>Re:Pull it off the market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245326520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's about time we also had a look at ALL alternative medicine. As Richard Dawkins correctly stated, the only reason a medicine is 'alternative' is because it hasn't been proven. If it is proven it ceases to  be alternative and simply becomes medicine.</p><p>This includes homeopathy, chiropractors, bio-magnets and any other tat that people insist on selling as effective remedies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's about time we also had a look at ALL alternative medicine .
As Richard Dawkins correctly stated , the only reason a medicine is 'alternative ' is because it has n't been proven .
If it is proven it ceases to be alternative and simply becomes medicine.This includes homeopathy , chiropractors , bio-magnets and any other tat that people insist on selling as effective remedies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's about time we also had a look at ALL alternative medicine.
As Richard Dawkins correctly stated, the only reason a medicine is 'alternative' is because it hasn't been proven.
If it is proven it ceases to  be alternative and simply becomes medicine.This includes homeopathy, chiropractors, bio-magnets and any other tat that people insist on selling as effective remedies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369269</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245256020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the interesting thing is that the placebo effect (which you are basically describing) is a very well documented medical fact. in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested, and its not because the drug sucks or that people are faking it. there is a huge misconception and stigma surrounding placebos. MDs prescribe them regularly. they \_WORK\_ . sure, its basically fooling your brain, but whats wrong with that? if you have a neuralgia or pain or dysfunction and somebody gives you a pill and the condition improves, what does it matter what the pill is made of? placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the interesting thing is that the placebo effect ( which you are basically describing ) is a very well documented medical fact .
in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested , and its not because the drug sucks or that people are faking it .
there is a huge misconception and stigma surrounding placebos .
MDs prescribe them regularly .
they \ _WORK \ _ .
sure , its basically fooling your brain , but whats wrong with that ?
if you have a neuralgia or pain or dysfunction and somebody gives you a pill and the condition improves , what does it matter what the pill is made of ?
placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the interesting thing is that the placebo effect (which you are basically describing) is a very well documented medical fact.
in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested, and its not because the drug sucks or that people are faking it.
there is a huge misconception and stigma surrounding placebos.
MDs prescribe them regularly.
they \_WORK\_ .
sure, its basically fooling your brain, but whats wrong with that?
if you have a neuralgia or pain or dysfunction and somebody gives you a pill and the condition improves, what does it matter what the pill is made of?
placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28376647</id>
	<title>What?</title>
	<author>cyberchondriac</author>
	<datestamp>1245350400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This doesn't make sense to me.  Homeopathic is nothing but water, usually (or some other base, like alcohol), and as we all know - everything is diluted to ridiculous proportions - maybe one molecule of "cure" within billions of water.  <br>
So how can it be dangerous?  How much zinc is actually in there? There's nothing actually in it, it's homeopathic! <br>
I have a pretty open mind when it comes to metaphysical stuff and wortcunning and all that, but the one thing I just can't buy is homeopathy. It doesn't even have good psuedo-logic behind it. Water has no "memory", period. It's such a scam.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This does n't make sense to me .
Homeopathic is nothing but water , usually ( or some other base , like alcohol ) , and as we all know - everything is diluted to ridiculous proportions - maybe one molecule of " cure " within billions of water .
So how can it be dangerous ?
How much zinc is actually in there ?
There 's nothing actually in it , it 's homeopathic !
I have a pretty open mind when it comes to metaphysical stuff and wortcunning and all that , but the one thing I just ca n't buy is homeopathy .
It does n't even have good psuedo-logic behind it .
Water has no " memory " , period .
It 's such a scam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This doesn't make sense to me.
Homeopathic is nothing but water, usually (or some other base, like alcohol), and as we all know - everything is diluted to ridiculous proportions - maybe one molecule of "cure" within billions of water.
So how can it be dangerous?
How much zinc is actually in there?
There's nothing actually in it, it's homeopathic!
I have a pretty open mind when it comes to metaphysical stuff and wortcunning and all that, but the one thing I just can't buy is homeopathy.
It doesn't even have good psuedo-logic behind it.
Water has no "memory", period.
It's such a scam.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369413</id>
	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245257700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want to convince us that homeopathic medicines work, than by all means, put one of them through a rigorous, controlled clinical trial. (Not one anecdotal bit that may or may not be true and if it is may or may not be coincidental.) Tell one group they're getting the homeopathic "medicine" and give that to them. Tell the other group that's what they're getting and give them a placebo. Compare the results. That's how accurate results are obtained about the effectiveness of an actual drug against the placebo effect.</p><p>If you find significantly better results in the side that took the "medicine" than in those who took the placebo, and those results prove to be repeatable, you may have yourself a case. But until someone is confident enough in the method to submit it to rigorous, controlled testing, rather than "It worked this time! Really! Don't be so closed minded!", it's just quackery preying on the gullible.</p><p>When proponents of something are quick to tout its benefits and quick to ridicule its critics, but even quicker to duck rigorous testing that would show for sure if it really works or not, I become very closed minded very quickly. I've never taken Zicam, so apparently I can still smell bullshit just fine. If you're that confident in it, put it up for FDA approval.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to convince us that homeopathic medicines work , than by all means , put one of them through a rigorous , controlled clinical trial .
( Not one anecdotal bit that may or may not be true and if it is may or may not be coincidental .
) Tell one group they 're getting the homeopathic " medicine " and give that to them .
Tell the other group that 's what they 're getting and give them a placebo .
Compare the results .
That 's how accurate results are obtained about the effectiveness of an actual drug against the placebo effect.If you find significantly better results in the side that took the " medicine " than in those who took the placebo , and those results prove to be repeatable , you may have yourself a case .
But until someone is confident enough in the method to submit it to rigorous , controlled testing , rather than " It worked this time !
Really ! Do n't be so closed minded !
" , it 's just quackery preying on the gullible.When proponents of something are quick to tout its benefits and quick to ridicule its critics , but even quicker to duck rigorous testing that would show for sure if it really works or not , I become very closed minded very quickly .
I 've never taken Zicam , so apparently I can still smell bullshit just fine .
If you 're that confident in it , put it up for FDA approval .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to convince us that homeopathic medicines work, than by all means, put one of them through a rigorous, controlled clinical trial.
(Not one anecdotal bit that may or may not be true and if it is may or may not be coincidental.
) Tell one group they're getting the homeopathic "medicine" and give that to them.
Tell the other group that's what they're getting and give them a placebo.
Compare the results.
That's how accurate results are obtained about the effectiveness of an actual drug against the placebo effect.If you find significantly better results in the side that took the "medicine" than in those who took the placebo, and those results prove to be repeatable, you may have yourself a case.
But until someone is confident enough in the method to submit it to rigorous, controlled testing, rather than "It worked this time!
Really! Don't be so closed minded!
", it's just quackery preying on the gullible.When proponents of something are quick to tout its benefits and quick to ridicule its critics, but even quicker to duck rigorous testing that would show for sure if it really works or not, I become very closed minded very quickly.
I've never taken Zicam, so apparently I can still smell bullshit just fine.
If you're that confident in it, put it up for FDA approval.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28371733</id>
	<title>Re:Why is this tagged 'medicine'?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1245325800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's not medicine. [...] It's <b>water</b>!</p></div><p>But salt (solution 1:10^3) is an effective homeopathic remedy against dehydration!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not medicine .
[ ... ] It 's water ! But salt ( solution 1 : 10 ^ 3 ) is an effective homeopathic remedy against dehydration !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not medicine.
[...] It's water!But salt (solution 1:10^3) is an effective homeopathic remedy against dehydration!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28372455</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1245332580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... you just take sugar pills and think happy thoughts at them until the sun shines out your ass.</p></div><p>Good plan! Then you can sponge more cash out of them for homeopathic remedies for anal sunburn and anal malignant melanoma!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... you just take sugar pills and think happy thoughts at them until the sun shines out your ass.Good plan !
Then you can sponge more cash out of them for homeopathic remedies for anal sunburn and anal malignant melanoma !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... you just take sugar pills and think happy thoughts at them until the sun shines out your ass.Good plan!
Then you can sponge more cash out of them for homeopathic remedies for anal sunburn and anal malignant melanoma!
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28375425</id>
	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>slimjim8094</author>
	<datestamp>1245345660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We should ask ourselves why it works.</p></div><p>Yeah, well if I believe that my ass is one end of a rainbow I might feel better too. That doesn't make it true...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We should ask ourselves why it works.Yeah , well if I believe that my ass is one end of a rainbow I might feel better too .
That does n't make it true.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We should ask ourselves why it works.Yeah, well if I believe that my ass is one end of a rainbow I might feel better too.
That doesn't make it true...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369437</id>
	<title>Be wary of supplements</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1245258000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I read Dan Hurley's <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0767920422" title="amazon.com">Natural Causes</a> [amazon.com] and it opened my eyes to the supplement industry, and the relative lack of regulation. I recommend it to anyone taking supplements, including just vitamins.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read Dan Hurley 's Natural Causes [ amazon.com ] and it opened my eyes to the supplement industry , and the relative lack of regulation .
I recommend it to anyone taking supplements , including just vitamins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read Dan Hurley's Natural Causes [amazon.com] and it opened my eyes to the supplement industry, and the relative lack of regulation.
I recommend it to anyone taking supplements, including just vitamins.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28370345</id>
	<title>Re:Pull it off the market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245268740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a problem there.</p><p>The FDA will not say that citrus fruits will cure/prevent scurvy. Even though it is known that vitamin C will do just that.</p><p>Do we then have to have FDA approval for citrus for treating scurvy?</p><p>You think that the FDA is the answer? Look how much money has changed hands and gotten the FDA to sign off on them saying that drug A is safe.</p><p>To name a few:<br>Vioxx<br>Omniflox<br>Rezulin<br>Fen-Phen and Redux<br>PPA (phenylpropanolamine)</p><p>'A drug that is approved is said to be "safe and effective when used as directed."'</p><p>Yep! All FDA approved. EAT UP!!!! The FDA said they were safe.</p><p>People bought them and started having problems (dying is a pretty serious problem).</p><p>YES, the FDA does an OK job. But it does screw up.</p><p>And there are drugs in Canada and the UK, France, Germany, etc. that have been in use MANY years that the FDA won't touch. WTF?! Its not like we're talking some third world countries here.</p><p>I wonder how many of these "approved" drugs would make it to market if criminal charges started hitting those who signed off on the drugs.</p><p>The FDA's failures are many! Don't just put blind faith into that government organization.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a problem there.The FDA will not say that citrus fruits will cure/prevent scurvy .
Even though it is known that vitamin C will do just that.Do we then have to have FDA approval for citrus for treating scurvy ? You think that the FDA is the answer ?
Look how much money has changed hands and gotten the FDA to sign off on them saying that drug A is safe.To name a few : VioxxOmnifloxRezulinFen-Phen and ReduxPPA ( phenylpropanolamine ) 'A drug that is approved is said to be " safe and effective when used as directed. " 'Yep !
All FDA approved .
EAT UP ! ! ! !
The FDA said they were safe.People bought them and started having problems ( dying is a pretty serious problem ) .YES , the FDA does an OK job .
But it does screw up.And there are drugs in Canada and the UK , France , Germany , etc .
that have been in use MANY years that the FDA wo n't touch .
WTF ? ! Its not like we 're talking some third world countries here.I wonder how many of these " approved " drugs would make it to market if criminal charges started hitting those who signed off on the drugs.The FDA 's failures are many !
Do n't just put blind faith into that government organization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a problem there.The FDA will not say that citrus fruits will cure/prevent scurvy.
Even though it is known that vitamin C will do just that.Do we then have to have FDA approval for citrus for treating scurvy?You think that the FDA is the answer?
Look how much money has changed hands and gotten the FDA to sign off on them saying that drug A is safe.To name a few:VioxxOmnifloxRezulinFen-Phen and ReduxPPA (phenylpropanolamine)'A drug that is approved is said to be "safe and effective when used as directed."'Yep!
All FDA approved.
EAT UP!!!!
The FDA said they were safe.People bought them and started having problems (dying is a pretty serious problem).YES, the FDA does an OK job.
But it does screw up.And there are drugs in Canada and the UK, France, Germany, etc.
that have been in use MANY years that the FDA won't touch.
WTF?! Its not like we're talking some third world countries here.I wonder how many of these "approved" drugs would make it to market if criminal charges started hitting those who signed off on the drugs.The FDA's failures are many!
Don't just put blind faith into that government organization.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28421049</id>
	<title>Zicam</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245681900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Matrixx admits it held 800 adverse reaction reports regarding Zicam: http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/7045#more-7045</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Matrixx admits it held 800 adverse reaction reports regarding Zicam : http : //www.newsinferno.com/archives/7045 # more-7045</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Matrixx admits it held 800 adverse reaction reports regarding Zicam: http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/7045#more-7045</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28386753</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>Eivind</author>
	<datestamp>1245404100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh they will treat real physical disease. It's not the sugarpill that helps you get better sooner, offcourse, it's the effect of your mental state on your physical wellbeing. It's entirely possible that the placebo-effect alone will let someone survive something they otherwise wouldn't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh they will treat real physical disease .
It 's not the sugarpill that helps you get better sooner , offcourse , it 's the effect of your mental state on your physical wellbeing .
It 's entirely possible that the placebo-effect alone will let someone survive something they otherwise would n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh they will treat real physical disease.
It's not the sugarpill that helps you get better sooner, offcourse, it's the effect of your mental state on your physical wellbeing.
It's entirely possible that the placebo-effect alone will let someone survive something they otherwise wouldn't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28373231</id>
	<title>Matrixx and "science"</title>
	<author>bartwol</author>
	<datestamp>1245336720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"Matrixx Initiatives stands behind the science of its products and its belief that there is no causal link between its Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal gel products and anosmia," said William J. Hemelt, Matrixx Initiatives' acting president. "It is well understood in the medical and scientific communities that the most common cause of anosmia is the common cold, which Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal gel products are taken to treat. Given the enormous number of doses sold and colds treated, there is no reason to believe the number of complaints of anosmia received is more than the number that would be expected in the general population. There is no reliable scientific evidence that Zicam causes anosmia."</p></div>
</blockquote><p>

It would be easy enough to do a controlled study to compare the incidence of anosmia in people with colds using Zicam versus those with colds who don't use Zicam.</p><p>

It would be easy enough for Matrixx to base their beliefs on science instead of speculation.</p><p>

But no. They make no attempt to prove safety, even when presented with indications of serious adverse effects. Instead, they confidently <b>speculate</b> that their product is safe, and go into a holding pattern. Studies are expensive. Holding patterns are cheap. Safety be damned.</p><p>

For companies like Matrixx (and almost all producers of "alternative remedies") "science" is no more than a word in a vast lexicon of marketing terms. The only objective to which these Charlatans show a genuine commitment is the gross sales of their products. Otherwise, words like "health", "remedy", "studies", "dosage", and other terms that are strictly constructed in the legitimate world of pharmaceuticals, important terms, are just smokey propaganda buzzwords in this vast industry of faux "medicines".

The only word that comes to my mind that would properly be ascribed to these people is BULLSHIT. Not surprisingly, it's a word you'll probably never here them use, as it hits too close to where they live.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Matrixx Initiatives stands behind the science of its products and its belief that there is no causal link between its Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal gel products and anosmia , " said William J. Hemelt , Matrixx Initiatives ' acting president .
" It is well understood in the medical and scientific communities that the most common cause of anosmia is the common cold , which Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal gel products are taken to treat .
Given the enormous number of doses sold and colds treated , there is no reason to believe the number of complaints of anosmia received is more than the number that would be expected in the general population .
There is no reliable scientific evidence that Zicam causes anosmia .
" It would be easy enough to do a controlled study to compare the incidence of anosmia in people with colds using Zicam versus those with colds who do n't use Zicam .
It would be easy enough for Matrixx to base their beliefs on science instead of speculation .
But no .
They make no attempt to prove safety , even when presented with indications of serious adverse effects .
Instead , they confidently speculate that their product is safe , and go into a holding pattern .
Studies are expensive .
Holding patterns are cheap .
Safety be damned .
For companies like Matrixx ( and almost all producers of " alternative remedies " ) " science " is no more than a word in a vast lexicon of marketing terms .
The only objective to which these Charlatans show a genuine commitment is the gross sales of their products .
Otherwise , words like " health " , " remedy " , " studies " , " dosage " , and other terms that are strictly constructed in the legitimate world of pharmaceuticals , important terms , are just smokey propaganda buzzwords in this vast industry of faux " medicines " .
The only word that comes to my mind that would properly be ascribed to these people is BULLSHIT .
Not surprisingly , it 's a word you 'll probably never here them use , as it hits too close to where they live .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Matrixx Initiatives stands behind the science of its products and its belief that there is no causal link between its Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal gel products and anosmia," said William J. Hemelt, Matrixx Initiatives' acting president.
"It is well understood in the medical and scientific communities that the most common cause of anosmia is the common cold, which Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal gel products are taken to treat.
Given the enormous number of doses sold and colds treated, there is no reason to believe the number of complaints of anosmia received is more than the number that would be expected in the general population.
There is no reliable scientific evidence that Zicam causes anosmia.
"


It would be easy enough to do a controlled study to compare the incidence of anosmia in people with colds using Zicam versus those with colds who don't use Zicam.
It would be easy enough for Matrixx to base their beliefs on science instead of speculation.
But no.
They make no attempt to prove safety, even when presented with indications of serious adverse effects.
Instead, they confidently speculate that their product is safe, and go into a holding pattern.
Studies are expensive.
Holding patterns are cheap.
Safety be damned.
For companies like Matrixx (and almost all producers of "alternative remedies") "science" is no more than a word in a vast lexicon of marketing terms.
The only objective to which these Charlatans show a genuine commitment is the gross sales of their products.
Otherwise, words like "health", "remedy", "studies", "dosage", and other terms that are strictly constructed in the legitimate world of pharmaceuticals, important terms, are just smokey propaganda buzzwords in this vast industry of faux "medicines".
The only word that comes to my mind that would properly be ascribed to these people is BULLSHIT.
Not surprisingly, it's a word you'll probably never here them use, as it hits too close to where they live.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28371005</id>
	<title>Mod parent up</title>
	<author>maXXwell</author>
	<datestamp>1245317820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the single most coherent remark I've seen about this story.  Unfortunately critical reasoning in the mainstream media doesn't pay the bills, so we'll never see it reported there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the single most coherent remark I 've seen about this story .
Unfortunately critical reasoning in the mainstream media does n't pay the bills , so we 'll never see it reported there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the single most coherent remark I've seen about this story.
Unfortunately critical reasoning in the mainstream media doesn't pay the bills, so we'll never see it reported there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28371095</id>
	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1245318540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Homeopathic" covers a lot, though, and some things sold under the homeopathic label are just a bad idea - colloidal silver, for example. While the stuff isn't dangerous per se, some people assume it to replace all antibiotics and be effective when taken as a preventive measure. And hell, one gram per day should be fine; more helps more and since it's not a chemical like normal antibiotics it can't poison me.<br>
<br>
Oops, I developed an argyria and my skin has been irreversively tinted gray.<br>
<br>
<br>
Many people have an odd notion that homeopathic products are a panacea without possible side effects.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Homeopathic " covers a lot , though , and some things sold under the homeopathic label are just a bad idea - colloidal silver , for example .
While the stuff is n't dangerous per se , some people assume it to replace all antibiotics and be effective when taken as a preventive measure .
And hell , one gram per day should be fine ; more helps more and since it 's not a chemical like normal antibiotics it ca n't poison me .
Oops , I developed an argyria and my skin has been irreversively tinted gray .
Many people have an odd notion that homeopathic products are a panacea without possible side effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Homeopathic" covers a lot, though, and some things sold under the homeopathic label are just a bad idea - colloidal silver, for example.
While the stuff isn't dangerous per se, some people assume it to replace all antibiotics and be effective when taken as a preventive measure.
And hell, one gram per day should be fine; more helps more and since it's not a chemical like normal antibiotics it can't poison me.
Oops, I developed an argyria and my skin has been irreversively tinted gray.
Many people have an odd notion that homeopathic products are a panacea without possible side effects.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369361</id>
	<title>Zicam Works</title>
	<author>theflea912</author>
	<datestamp>1245257040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If one does a little digging and actually reads the letter the FDA sent to the company, they said that the "FDA has concluded that these products MAY pose a serious risk to consumers who use them....".  Whereas, the press release says "The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today advised consumers to stop using three products marketed over-the-counter as cold remedies because they ARE ASSOCIATED with the loss of sense of smell (anosmia)." The two differ a lot in meaning.  The message to the company says that there could be a connection, whereas the news release just says there is a connection.

Personally, I think that the FDA is being overly aggressive.  The Obama admin. has encouraged a change from the (awful) years of Bush.  Likewise, the FDA has taken a very aggressive stance toward companies.

PS- I have used Zicam and it works, and I can still smell!
Sources:
<a href="http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm167065.htm" title="fda.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm167065.htm</a> [fda.gov]
<a href="http://preview.tinyurl.com/lq68wd" title="tinyurl.com" rel="nofollow">http://preview.tinyurl.com/lq68wd</a> [tinyurl.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>If one does a little digging and actually reads the letter the FDA sent to the company , they said that the " FDA has concluded that these products MAY pose a serious risk to consumers who use them.... " .
Whereas , the press release says " The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today advised consumers to stop using three products marketed over-the-counter as cold remedies because they ARE ASSOCIATED with the loss of sense of smell ( anosmia ) .
" The two differ a lot in meaning .
The message to the company says that there could be a connection , whereas the news release just says there is a connection .
Personally , I think that the FDA is being overly aggressive .
The Obama admin .
has encouraged a change from the ( awful ) years of Bush .
Likewise , the FDA has taken a very aggressive stance toward companies .
PS- I have used Zicam and it works , and I can still smell !
Sources : http : //www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm167065.htm [ fda.gov ] http : //preview.tinyurl.com/lq68wd [ tinyurl.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If one does a little digging and actually reads the letter the FDA sent to the company, they said that the "FDA has concluded that these products MAY pose a serious risk to consumers who use them....".
Whereas, the press release says "The U.S. Food and Drug Administration today advised consumers to stop using three products marketed over-the-counter as cold remedies because they ARE ASSOCIATED with the loss of sense of smell (anosmia).
" The two differ a lot in meaning.
The message to the company says that there could be a connection, whereas the news release just says there is a connection.
Personally, I think that the FDA is being overly aggressive.
The Obama admin.
has encouraged a change from the (awful) years of Bush.
Likewise, the FDA has taken a very aggressive stance toward companies.
PS- I have used Zicam and it works, and I can still smell!
Sources:
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm167065.htm [fda.gov]
http://preview.tinyurl.com/lq68wd [tinyurl.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28371931</id>
	<title>Perhaps my farts DO SMELL?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245327960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps my farts DO SMELL?</p><p>I've used Zicam nasal pumps to clear my nose effectively. I hadn't noticed a complete loss of smell, but I do notice that my coffee doesn't has the same level of aroma that I recall from years ago.</p><p>I know I haven't lost my sense of smell completely because cats still stink to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps my farts DO SMELL ? I 've used Zicam nasal pumps to clear my nose effectively .
I had n't noticed a complete loss of smell , but I do notice that my coffee does n't has the same level of aroma that I recall from years ago.I know I have n't lost my sense of smell completely because cats still stink to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps my farts DO SMELL?I've used Zicam nasal pumps to clear my nose effectively.
I hadn't noticed a complete loss of smell, but I do notice that my coffee doesn't has the same level of aroma that I recall from years ago.I know I haven't lost my sense of smell completely because cats still stink to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28370879</id>
	<title>Without RTFA....</title>
	<author>Caustic Soda</author>
	<datestamp>1245316740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"10 years of experience" does not constitute "scientific evidence"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" 10 years of experience " does not constitute " scientific evidence "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"10 years of experience" does not constitute "scientific evidence"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28372203</id>
	<title>Re:Better scent than anything else.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245330540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you for this post. I'm posting as AC for the sake of privacy, but I'm a registered and longtime user. I just wanted to thank you for that second sentence... my husband is anosmic from birth due to a medical condition, and I always wondered about this taste correlation. He says he can taste pretty well, but since he never had a sense of smell, he didn't really have anything to compare it to. I'd read that taste was something like 80\% smell, and he never has a complaint about my cooking (haha), so I've been pondering this for a while. Thanks for the insight.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for this post .
I 'm posting as AC for the sake of privacy , but I 'm a registered and longtime user .
I just wanted to thank you for that second sentence... my husband is anosmic from birth due to a medical condition , and I always wondered about this taste correlation .
He says he can taste pretty well , but since he never had a sense of smell , he did n't really have anything to compare it to .
I 'd read that taste was something like 80 \ % smell , and he never has a complaint about my cooking ( haha ) , so I 've been pondering this for a while .
Thanks for the insight .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for this post.
I'm posting as AC for the sake of privacy, but I'm a registered and longtime user.
I just wanted to thank you for that second sentence... my husband is anosmic from birth due to a medical condition, and I always wondered about this taste correlation.
He says he can taste pretty well, but since he never had a sense of smell, he didn't really have anything to compare it to.
I'd read that taste was something like 80\% smell, and he never has a complaint about my cooking (haha), so I've been pondering this for a while.
Thanks for the insight.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369371</id>
	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>MrMista\_B</author>
	<datestamp>1245257160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the kid was cured by sugar-water?</p><p>I hope the kid never gets an actual illness, because if that's the way the parents 'take care' of their child, I'd call that 'negligence likely to cause death'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the kid was cured by sugar-water ? I hope the kid never gets an actual illness , because if that 's the way the parents 'take care ' of their child , I 'd call that 'negligence likely to cause death' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the kid was cured by sugar-water?I hope the kid never gets an actual illness, because if that's the way the parents 'take care' of their child, I'd call that 'negligence likely to cause death'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28375489</id>
	<title>Re:Zicam is not homeopathic.</title>
	<author>SlowMovingTarget</author>
	<datestamp>1245345960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a simple matter of conflating the term "homeopathy" with "home remedy".  One sells better than the other.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a simple matter of conflating the term " homeopathy " with " home remedy " .
One sells better than the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a simple matter of conflating the term "homeopathy" with "home remedy".
One sells better than the other.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368751</id>
	<title>Pull it off the market</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245251100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This product needs to be removed from the market. I'd like to see stricter controls on things like this. Anything that attempts to cure or prevent disease needs to be evaluated and tested by the FDA. All supplements, vitamins, these cold prevention products should all have to shown to be safe and do what they claim BEFORE they can be sold.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This product needs to be removed from the market .
I 'd like to see stricter controls on things like this .
Anything that attempts to cure or prevent disease needs to be evaluated and tested by the FDA .
All supplements , vitamins , these cold prevention products should all have to shown to be safe and do what they claim BEFORE they can be sold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This product needs to be removed from the market.
I'd like to see stricter controls on things like this.
Anything that attempts to cure or prevent disease needs to be evaluated and tested by the FDA.
All supplements, vitamins, these cold prevention products should all have to shown to be safe and do what they claim BEFORE they can be sold.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28370965</id>
	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>VenomPhallus</author>
	<datestamp>1245317460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If it seemingly works for some people we shouldn't say "it doesn't work" just because we believe it is not supposed to work. We should ask ourselves why it works"</p><p>No, first we should ask "does it *actually* work?". You don't simply hear a couple of anecdotes and assume "well this obviously works".</p><p>So you set up a study to see whether the anecdotal experiences are replicated in the population at large. This has been done countless times with homeopathy. The better designed the study, the less likely that it is to show any effect. Properly conducted, double-blinded studies consistently show no effect whatsoever over placebo.</p><p>The line that sceptics reject homeopathy because "it's not supposed to work" is a claim frequently used by proponents. It's simply not true. People reject homeopathy because all the good evidence shows it doesn't work. There's no good evidence to show it does work, and reams of the stuff to show it doesn't. It fails before you even get to pondering the questions of the mechanism, the law of similars etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If it seemingly works for some people we should n't say " it does n't work " just because we believe it is not supposed to work .
We should ask ourselves why it works " No , first we should ask " does it * actually * work ? " .
You do n't simply hear a couple of anecdotes and assume " well this obviously works " .So you set up a study to see whether the anecdotal experiences are replicated in the population at large .
This has been done countless times with homeopathy .
The better designed the study , the less likely that it is to show any effect .
Properly conducted , double-blinded studies consistently show no effect whatsoever over placebo.The line that sceptics reject homeopathy because " it 's not supposed to work " is a claim frequently used by proponents .
It 's simply not true .
People reject homeopathy because all the good evidence shows it does n't work .
There 's no good evidence to show it does work , and reams of the stuff to show it does n't .
It fails before you even get to pondering the questions of the mechanism , the law of similars etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If it seemingly works for some people we shouldn't say "it doesn't work" just because we believe it is not supposed to work.
We should ask ourselves why it works"No, first we should ask "does it *actually* work?".
You don't simply hear a couple of anecdotes and assume "well this obviously works".So you set up a study to see whether the anecdotal experiences are replicated in the population at large.
This has been done countless times with homeopathy.
The better designed the study, the less likely that it is to show any effect.
Properly conducted, double-blinded studies consistently show no effect whatsoever over placebo.The line that sceptics reject homeopathy because "it's not supposed to work" is a claim frequently used by proponents.
It's simply not true.
People reject homeopathy because all the good evidence shows it doesn't work.
There's no good evidence to show it does work, and reams of the stuff to show it doesn't.
It fails before you even get to pondering the questions of the mechanism, the law of similars etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28387355</id>
	<title>You've just invented a whole new range of medicine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245411060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Market homeopathic medicines at the x1 dilution ratio.<br>2. No need to apply for normal million dollar drug testing - hey, they're homeopathic, you FDA bozos, stay out of it<br>3. Profit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Market homeopathic medicines at the x1 dilution ratio.2 .
No need to apply for normal million dollar drug testing - hey , they 're homeopathic , you FDA bozos , stay out of it3 .
Profit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Market homeopathic medicines at the x1 dilution ratio.2.
No need to apply for normal million dollar drug testing - hey, they're homeopathic, you FDA bozos, stay out of it3.
Profit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369313</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>nomadic</author>
	<datestamp>1245256440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nah, real homeopathic meds don't even have sugar, they're just water.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nah , real homeopathic meds do n't even have sugar , they 're just water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nah, real homeopathic meds don't even have sugar, they're just water.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368799</id>
	<title>Only the nasal version</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245251460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This warning only applies to the version of Zicam that you stick in your nose.  When I have a cold, I use the lozenges that dissolve in your mouth, and I swear they really do help control the symptoms of a cold.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This warning only applies to the version of Zicam that you stick in your nose .
When I have a cold , I use the lozenges that dissolve in your mouth , and I swear they really do help control the symptoms of a cold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This warning only applies to the version of Zicam that you stick in your nose.
When I have a cold, I use the lozenges that dissolve in your mouth, and I swear they really do help control the symptoms of a cold.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28380515</id>
	<title>It's not a cold remedy...it's a diet aid!</title>
	<author>idearat</author>
	<datestamp>1245319080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/fashion/18skin.html?\_r=1</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/fashion/18skin.html ? \ _r = 1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/18/fashion/18skin.html?\_r=1</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369255</id>
	<title>Re:Better scent than anything else.</title>
	<author>bitrex</author>
	<datestamp>1245255900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of my friends in college with congenital anosmia was a lifesaver when, as often happened, someone would leave leftover takeout in the lounge refrigerator over a school vacation.  He was well rewarded for performing cleanup tasks that anyone with a functioning olfactory system would have found unbearable!</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of my friends in college with congenital anosmia was a lifesaver when , as often happened , someone would leave leftover takeout in the lounge refrigerator over a school vacation .
He was well rewarded for performing cleanup tasks that anyone with a functioning olfactory system would have found unbearable !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of my friends in college with congenital anosmia was a lifesaver when, as often happened, someone would leave leftover takeout in the lounge refrigerator over a school vacation.
He was well rewarded for performing cleanup tasks that anyone with a functioning olfactory system would have found unbearable!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368951</id>
	<title>Anecdotal evidence.</title>
	<author>Ungrounded Lightning</author>
	<datestamp>1245252840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For what it's worth...</p><p>While I haven't used Zycam, I have, a number of times over the last few years, used zinc gluconate tablets (dissolved in the mouth and gargled up toward the nose) to try to mitigate an oncoming cold.</p><p>And I have also noticed, over that period, a significant reduction in my sense of smell (which I hadn't connected with anything and assumed might just be due to age).</p><p>Needless to say I'll be skipping the zinc treatments in the future, at least until this is resolved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For what it 's worth...While I have n't used Zycam , I have , a number of times over the last few years , used zinc gluconate tablets ( dissolved in the mouth and gargled up toward the nose ) to try to mitigate an oncoming cold.And I have also noticed , over that period , a significant reduction in my sense of smell ( which I had n't connected with anything and assumed might just be due to age ) .Needless to say I 'll be skipping the zinc treatments in the future , at least until this is resolved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For what it's worth...While I haven't used Zycam, I have, a number of times over the last few years, used zinc gluconate tablets (dissolved in the mouth and gargled up toward the nose) to try to mitigate an oncoming cold.And I have also noticed, over that period, a significant reduction in my sense of smell (which I hadn't connected with anything and assumed might just be due to age).Needless to say I'll be skipping the zinc treatments in the future, at least until this is resolved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28384323</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245336960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just found this interesting site about health problems and the loss of taste and smell from which some Zicam users have suffered. There is also important safety information here:<br>http://www.zicam-smell-loss-lawyer.com/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just found this interesting site about health problems and the loss of taste and smell from which some Zicam users have suffered .
There is also important safety information here : http : //www.zicam-smell-loss-lawyer.com/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just found this interesting site about health problems and the loss of taste and smell from which some Zicam users have suffered.
There is also important safety information here:http://www.zicam-smell-loss-lawyer.com/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28370901</id>
	<title>Re:Eh? Homeopathic?</title>
	<author>johannesg</author>
	<datestamp>1245316920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Homeopathic quackery is infamous and justly ridiculed for the fact that its 'remedies' contain <i>exactly no active ingredients</i> and - unsurprisingly - also have exactly no biological effects. This zinc based stuff is obviously <i>not</i> homeopathic.</p></div><p>The thing I don't get is this: why doesn't it count as a "homeopathic remedy" when you drink a glass of normal water? I mean, sure, nobody went out of his way to put half a zinc molecule in my glass of water, but surely my water molecules were at least in the neighbourhood of a zinc molecule at some point during their long existance? In other words, what makes that little bottle with homeopathic water so special over plain tap water?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Homeopathic quackery is infamous and justly ridiculed for the fact that its 'remedies ' contain exactly no active ingredients and - unsurprisingly - also have exactly no biological effects .
This zinc based stuff is obviously not homeopathic.The thing I do n't get is this : why does n't it count as a " homeopathic remedy " when you drink a glass of normal water ?
I mean , sure , nobody went out of his way to put half a zinc molecule in my glass of water , but surely my water molecules were at least in the neighbourhood of a zinc molecule at some point during their long existance ?
In other words , what makes that little bottle with homeopathic water so special over plain tap water ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Homeopathic quackery is infamous and justly ridiculed for the fact that its 'remedies' contain exactly no active ingredients and - unsurprisingly - also have exactly no biological effects.
This zinc based stuff is obviously not homeopathic.The thing I don't get is this: why doesn't it count as a "homeopathic remedy" when you drink a glass of normal water?
I mean, sure, nobody went out of his way to put half a zinc molecule in my glass of water, but surely my water molecules were at least in the neighbourhood of a zinc molecule at some point during their long existance?
In other words, what makes that little bottle with homeopathic water so special over plain tap water?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28372119</id>
	<title>Zicam is in big trouble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245329940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A good friend of mine complained of these symptoms years ago.  And he's still suffering.  So I believe this is indeed true.  I would sue the makers of Zicam, straight to hell.</p><p>I had sinus surgery a while ago and temporarily loss my sense of smell (and taste).  If you've never experienced that, I can't express enough the terrible psychological effects of it.  It's hell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A good friend of mine complained of these symptoms years ago .
And he 's still suffering .
So I believe this is indeed true .
I would sue the makers of Zicam , straight to hell.I had sinus surgery a while ago and temporarily loss my sense of smell ( and taste ) .
If you 've never experienced that , I ca n't express enough the terrible psychological effects of it .
It 's hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A good friend of mine complained of these symptoms years ago.
And he's still suffering.
So I believe this is indeed true.
I would sue the makers of Zicam, straight to hell.I had sinus surgery a while ago and temporarily loss my sense of smell (and taste).
If you've never experienced that, I can't express enough the terrible psychological effects of it.
It's hell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28375459</id>
	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245345840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FDA approved? You mean like Viox?<br>http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/03/02.php</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FDA approved ?
You mean like Viox ? http : //www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/03/02.php</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FDA approved?
You mean like Viox?http://www.ahrp.org/infomail/05/03/02.php</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28373071</id>
	<title>Re:Not Homeopathic</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1245336060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>the way homeopathic medicines are made involves taking a substance and then repeatedly diluting it with [...] sugar</p></div><p>So cocaine is a homeopathic medicine?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>the way homeopathic medicines are made involves taking a substance and then repeatedly diluting it with [ ... ] sugarSo cocaine is a homeopathic medicine ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the way homeopathic medicines are made involves taking a substance and then repeatedly diluting it with [...] sugarSo cocaine is a homeopathic medicine?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368689</id>
	<title>Wait, can't colds do that too?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245250620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, I get a cold, I can't smell anything either.  So really, it seems I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , I get a cold , I ca n't smell anything either .
So really , it seems I 'm damned if I do , damned if I do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, I get a cold, I can't smell anything either.
So really, it seems I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28371575</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1245324180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where do we get these placebos???</p><p>Sure, there are interesting arguments about the use of placebos. But that's no excuse for allowing people to profit by selling water, fraudulently claiming it does something that it does not. Note also that homeopath believers typically claim that it has an effect beyond that of a placebo.</p><p>And yes, if we were just wanting to use placebos, you are right: <i>what does it matter what the pill is made of</i>. There is no need to go through the long winded homeopathic ritual, you could just give them water and tell them you'd done whatever hocus pocus to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where do we get these placebos ? ?
? Sure , there are interesting arguments about the use of placebos .
But that 's no excuse for allowing people to profit by selling water , fraudulently claiming it does something that it does not .
Note also that homeopath believers typically claim that it has an effect beyond that of a placebo.And yes , if we were just wanting to use placebos , you are right : what does it matter what the pill is made of .
There is no need to go through the long winded homeopathic ritual , you could just give them water and tell them you 'd done whatever hocus pocus to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where do we get these placebos??
?Sure, there are interesting arguments about the use of placebos.
But that's no excuse for allowing people to profit by selling water, fraudulently claiming it does something that it does not.
Note also that homeopath believers typically claim that it has an effect beyond that of a placebo.And yes, if we were just wanting to use placebos, you are right: what does it matter what the pill is made of.
There is no need to go through the long winded homeopathic ritual, you could just give them water and tell them you'd done whatever hocus pocus to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28385387</id>
	<title>Toposhaba</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245347280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They make this stuff in China<br>So when they try to dilute it with water its full of lead and mercury.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They make this stuff in ChinaSo when they try to dilute it with water its full of lead and mercury .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They make this stuff in ChinaSo when they try to dilute it with water its full of lead and mercury.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368833</id>
	<title>Smells like</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245251760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>bullshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>bullshit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368933</id>
	<title>Better scent than anything else.</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1245252720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've lost my smell to nasal polyps and chronic sinusitis years ago, it's a little disappointing sometimes but sometimes it's nice not having to smell awful things.</p><p>I've heard that when you can't smell you can't taste, which is bullshit. I can't tell the difference between some things but I do very much have a vivid sense of taste still.</p><p>And you know that "You lose one sense you gain another" thing? It doesn't work with smell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've lost my smell to nasal polyps and chronic sinusitis years ago , it 's a little disappointing sometimes but sometimes it 's nice not having to smell awful things.I 've heard that when you ca n't smell you ca n't taste , which is bullshit .
I ca n't tell the difference between some things but I do very much have a vivid sense of taste still.And you know that " You lose one sense you gain another " thing ?
It does n't work with smell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've lost my smell to nasal polyps and chronic sinusitis years ago, it's a little disappointing sometimes but sometimes it's nice not having to smell awful things.I've heard that when you can't smell you can't taste, which is bullshit.
I can't tell the difference between some things but I do very much have a vivid sense of taste still.And you know that "You lose one sense you gain another" thing?
It doesn't work with smell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28374927</id>
	<title>I lost smell for weeks after using Zicam once</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245343680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was about a year ago. I had severe cold, and couldn't sleep due to blocked nose. I took just one spray of Zicam in each nostril to completely unblock it within few minutes, but the lost sense of smell was terrifying. I mean, yes, the sense of smell when having cold is greatly diminished to begin with, but this was a total and complete loss. I got freaked out back then and did few searches on the internet, where I discovered bunch of other folks with similar concerns. In my case it took about a month until I started regaining some sense of smell (the cold itself was gone within few days), and during that period I felt very miserable in anticipation of having it last for the rest of my life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was about a year ago .
I had severe cold , and could n't sleep due to blocked nose .
I took just one spray of Zicam in each nostril to completely unblock it within few minutes , but the lost sense of smell was terrifying .
I mean , yes , the sense of smell when having cold is greatly diminished to begin with , but this was a total and complete loss .
I got freaked out back then and did few searches on the internet , where I discovered bunch of other folks with similar concerns .
In my case it took about a month until I started regaining some sense of smell ( the cold itself was gone within few days ) , and during that period I felt very miserable in anticipation of having it last for the rest of my life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was about a year ago.
I had severe cold, and couldn't sleep due to blocked nose.
I took just one spray of Zicam in each nostril to completely unblock it within few minutes, but the lost sense of smell was terrifying.
I mean, yes, the sense of smell when having cold is greatly diminished to begin with, but this was a total and complete loss.
I got freaked out back then and did few searches on the internet, where I discovered bunch of other folks with similar concerns.
In my case it took about a month until I started regaining some sense of smell (the cold itself was gone within few days), and during that period I felt very miserable in anticipation of having it last for the rest of my life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28375997</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people even take pharmacudical drugs?</title>
	<author>CompMD</author>
	<datestamp>1245347820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well I highly suggest that next time you have a bad headache, you start munching on tree bark instead of taking an aspirin.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I highly suggest that next time you have a bad headache , you start munching on tree bark instead of taking an aspirin .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I highly suggest that next time you have a bad headache, you start munching on tree bark instead of taking an aspirin.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369631</id>
	<title>No smell sucks</title>
	<author>VlartBlart</author>
	<datestamp>1245259800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I lost my sense of smell in a motorbike accident (crash helmet wasn't done up and I headbutted a Range Rover at 80mph).</p><p>The crap thing is losing your sense of taste because you can't smell food.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I lost my sense of smell in a motorbike accident ( crash helmet was n't done up and I headbutted a Range Rover at 80mph ) .The crap thing is losing your sense of taste because you ca n't smell food .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lost my sense of smell in a motorbike accident (crash helmet wasn't done up and I headbutted a Range Rover at 80mph).The crap thing is losing your sense of taste because you can't smell food.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368943</id>
	<title>Re:Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245252780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"strunk"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" strunk "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"strunk"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369969</id>
	<title>Pro Zicam</title>
	<author>myspace-cn</author>
	<datestamp>1245263280000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Our family uses the disposable swabs. Both the allergy and the cold swabs, <b>not the spray</b> for several years now.  Nobody has this problem. But it has shortened colds. And helped with allergies. (None of us use any nose sprays by any brand)</p><p>Before we all go off the deep end and get's yet another "alternative cure" <i>(regardless if you agree or disagree it's a cure)</i> banned in lieu of big pharmacist, expensive drugs, big hospital bills, questionable safety in our vaccinations, all while having no health care, and a government which has welfare for banksters, warfare and surveillance.</p><p>Ever think this might be purposely targeted so you'll have no cure to specially crafted bugs which accidentally escape super labs?<br>I don't know that it is, or isn't and I ain't trying to be paranoid, I am just throwing the idea out there, cause I'm fucking sick and tired of the lies that come from my government, to the point where I don't trust anything they fucking say anymore.  Which leaves me with validating facts on my own.  The media has literally become a <a href="http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html" title="neopagan.net" rel="nofollow">dangerous cult.</a> [neopagan.net]</p><p>I don't know about you, but I am not willing to give up a product which frankly worked fine for my family several years now, in exchange for a <a href="http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1129-Goebbels-Media-Part-Deux.html" title="denninger.net" rel="nofollow">Goebbels Media pushing a fucking "Prescription for America"</a> [denninger.net] when no opposing views including Single Payer were allowed in discussions.</p><p>The debate about if it's homeopathy or not, I don't care. It's a political narco profit motivated fascist argument. You go ahead and waste several million or billion on such nonsense and it's research, legal fights, and bureaucracy.<br>Keep in mind they are already trying to fuck with the <a href="http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/" title="healthfreedomusa.org" rel="nofollow">codex</a> [healthfreedomusa.org].</p><p>I am much more simple.<br>I go by if the fucking thing works or not.</p><p><b>In OUR family's case zicam swabs (Cold and Allergy) works just fine, no loss of smell. We also followed the instructions carefully.</b></p><p><b>I can't speak to the spray.</b></p><p>We also use oil of oregano, and many other food supplements.</p><p>Of course all this is my opinion, and as it should be implied. Ask your friends and neighbors if they have problems. Not what they hear on the tv, you want to know first hand experience and use and results.  There lay the answer, we don't need all this FDA, DHS, ATF crap, it's already too fucking big and too expensive!</p><p>Turn the tv off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Our family uses the disposable swabs .
Both the allergy and the cold swabs , not the spray for several years now .
Nobody has this problem .
But it has shortened colds .
And helped with allergies .
( None of us use any nose sprays by any brand ) Before we all go off the deep end and get 's yet another " alternative cure " ( regardless if you agree or disagree it 's a cure ) banned in lieu of big pharmacist , expensive drugs , big hospital bills , questionable safety in our vaccinations , all while having no health care , and a government which has welfare for banksters , warfare and surveillance.Ever think this might be purposely targeted so you 'll have no cure to specially crafted bugs which accidentally escape super labs ? I do n't know that it is , or is n't and I ai n't trying to be paranoid , I am just throwing the idea out there , cause I 'm fucking sick and tired of the lies that come from my government , to the point where I do n't trust anything they fucking say anymore .
Which leaves me with validating facts on my own .
The media has literally become a dangerous cult .
[ neopagan.net ] I do n't know about you , but I am not willing to give up a product which frankly worked fine for my family several years now , in exchange for a Goebbels Media pushing a fucking " Prescription for America " [ denninger.net ] when no opposing views including Single Payer were allowed in discussions.The debate about if it 's homeopathy or not , I do n't care .
It 's a political narco profit motivated fascist argument .
You go ahead and waste several million or billion on such nonsense and it 's research , legal fights , and bureaucracy.Keep in mind they are already trying to fuck with the codex [ healthfreedomusa.org ] .I am much more simple.I go by if the fucking thing works or not.In OUR family 's case zicam swabs ( Cold and Allergy ) works just fine , no loss of smell .
We also followed the instructions carefully.I ca n't speak to the spray.We also use oil of oregano , and many other food supplements.Of course all this is my opinion , and as it should be implied .
Ask your friends and neighbors if they have problems .
Not what they hear on the tv , you want to know first hand experience and use and results .
There lay the answer , we do n't need all this FDA , DHS , ATF crap , it 's already too fucking big and too expensive ! Turn the tv off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Our family uses the disposable swabs.
Both the allergy and the cold swabs, not the spray for several years now.
Nobody has this problem.
But it has shortened colds.
And helped with allergies.
(None of us use any nose sprays by any brand)Before we all go off the deep end and get's yet another "alternative cure" (regardless if you agree or disagree it's a cure) banned in lieu of big pharmacist, expensive drugs, big hospital bills, questionable safety in our vaccinations, all while having no health care, and a government which has welfare for banksters, warfare and surveillance.Ever think this might be purposely targeted so you'll have no cure to specially crafted bugs which accidentally escape super labs?I don't know that it is, or isn't and I ain't trying to be paranoid, I am just throwing the idea out there, cause I'm fucking sick and tired of the lies that come from my government, to the point where I don't trust anything they fucking say anymore.
Which leaves me with validating facts on my own.
The media has literally become a dangerous cult.
[neopagan.net]I don't know about you, but I am not willing to give up a product which frankly worked fine for my family several years now, in exchange for a Goebbels Media pushing a fucking "Prescription for America" [denninger.net] when no opposing views including Single Payer were allowed in discussions.The debate about if it's homeopathy or not, I don't care.
It's a political narco profit motivated fascist argument.
You go ahead and waste several million or billion on such nonsense and it's research, legal fights, and bureaucracy.Keep in mind they are already trying to fuck with the codex [healthfreedomusa.org].I am much more simple.I go by if the fucking thing works or not.In OUR family's case zicam swabs (Cold and Allergy) works just fine, no loss of smell.
We also followed the instructions carefully.I can't speak to the spray.We also use oil of oregano, and many other food supplements.Of course all this is my opinion, and as it should be implied.
Ask your friends and neighbors if they have problems.
Not what they hear on the tv, you want to know first hand experience and use and results.
There lay the answer, we don't need all this FDA, DHS, ATF crap, it's already too fucking big and too expensive!Turn the tv off.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28377015</id>
	<title>Re:Better scent than anything else.</title>
	<author>smudge</author>
	<datestamp>1245351780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I lost my sense of smell too.  As for taste, I can only really detect sweet/spicey/salty.  If I eat a fruit flavored candy<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I only know it's sweet until someone around me says "I smell oranges."</p><p>I eat things I used to love and pretend they still taste good.  I do eat a lot more spicy or sweet things than I probably would if I could really "taste" them.  Even a well prepared steak doesn't have much taste.  But a BBQ rib sure does.</p><p>Since this loss happened later in my life I "remember" what things smelled like and I have friends that describe smells to me.  If you set your mind to it you can imagine quite a bit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I lost my sense of smell too .
As for taste , I can only really detect sweet/spicey/salty .
If I eat a fruit flavored candy ... I only know it 's sweet until someone around me says " I smell oranges .
" I eat things I used to love and pretend they still taste good .
I do eat a lot more spicy or sweet things than I probably would if I could really " taste " them .
Even a well prepared steak does n't have much taste .
But a BBQ rib sure does.Since this loss happened later in my life I " remember " what things smelled like and I have friends that describe smells to me .
If you set your mind to it you can imagine quite a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I lost my sense of smell too.
As for taste, I can only really detect sweet/spicey/salty.
If I eat a fruit flavored candy ... I only know it's sweet until someone around me says "I smell oranges.
"I eat things I used to love and pretend they still taste good.
I do eat a lot more spicy or sweet things than I probably would if I could really "taste" them.
Even a well prepared steak doesn't have much taste.
But a BBQ rib sure does.Since this loss happened later in my life I "remember" what things smelled like and I have friends that describe smells to me.
If you set your mind to it you can imagine quite a bit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369943</id>
	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245262980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Specifically the subject stopped having uneasy sleep, which it had been having for a long time, just by taking a few drops of a bach flower remedy on a regular basis.</i></p><p>I just did a Google search.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bach\_flower\_remedies" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Bach Flower remedies</a> [wikipedia.org] are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#Flower\_remedies" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">not homeopathic</a> [wikipedia.org]; they contain measurable amounts of flower extracts, plus <a href="http://www.bachflower.com/FAQ.htm#c" title="bachflower.com" rel="nofollow">27\% brandy</a> [bachflower.com] as a preservative.  Homeopathic remedies are made by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#Dilution\_and\_succussion" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">astonishing amounts of dilution</a> [wikipedia.org].</p><p>However, your basic point is not that Bach remedies are homeopathic, but that science is not all that impressed by them (just like science is not all that impressed by homeopathy).  So I guess it doesn't matter whether Bach remedies are homeopathic or not.</p><p>Well, don't forget that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">placebos</a> [wikipedia.org] work too.  Now, if you could demonstrate that the Bach remedies work <em>better</em> than placebos, I'd be interested.  I'll tell you right now, in my book the Bach remedies <em>are</em> placebos.  Placebos with 27\% brandy content.</p><p>By the way, how many drops of brandy would it take to make a child sleep more deeply?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Specifically the subject stopped having uneasy sleep , which it had been having for a long time , just by taking a few drops of a bach flower remedy on a regular basis.I just did a Google search .
Bach Flower remedies [ wikipedia.org ] are not homeopathic [ wikipedia.org ] ; they contain measurable amounts of flower extracts , plus 27 \ % brandy [ bachflower.com ] as a preservative .
Homeopathic remedies are made by astonishing amounts of dilution [ wikipedia.org ] .However , your basic point is not that Bach remedies are homeopathic , but that science is not all that impressed by them ( just like science is not all that impressed by homeopathy ) .
So I guess it does n't matter whether Bach remedies are homeopathic or not.Well , do n't forget that placebos [ wikipedia.org ] work too .
Now , if you could demonstrate that the Bach remedies work better than placebos , I 'd be interested .
I 'll tell you right now , in my book the Bach remedies are placebos .
Placebos with 27 \ % brandy content.By the way , how many drops of brandy would it take to make a child sleep more deeply ?
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Specifically the subject stopped having uneasy sleep, which it had been having for a long time, just by taking a few drops of a bach flower remedy on a regular basis.I just did a Google search.
Bach Flower remedies [wikipedia.org] are not homeopathic [wikipedia.org]; they contain measurable amounts of flower extracts, plus 27\% brandy [bachflower.com] as a preservative.
Homeopathic remedies are made by astonishing amounts of dilution [wikipedia.org].However, your basic point is not that Bach remedies are homeopathic, but that science is not all that impressed by them (just like science is not all that impressed by homeopathy).
So I guess it doesn't matter whether Bach remedies are homeopathic or not.Well, don't forget that placebos [wikipedia.org] work too.
Now, if you could demonstrate that the Bach remedies work better than placebos, I'd be interested.
I'll tell you right now, in my book the Bach remedies are placebos.
Placebos with 27\% brandy content.By the way, how many drops of brandy would it take to make a child sleep more deeply?
:-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368967</id>
	<title>I *knew* it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245253140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's much safer to stick with homeoerotic cures instead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's much safer to stick with homeoerotic cures instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's much safer to stick with homeoerotic cures instead.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28370281</id>
	<title>Re:Better scent than anything else.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245267960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"And you know that "You lose one sense you gain another" thing? It doesn't work with smell."</p><p>It doesn't work period, it's an adage lacking any actual backing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" And you know that " You lose one sense you gain another " thing ?
It does n't work with smell .
" It does n't work period , it 's an adage lacking any actual backing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"And you know that "You lose one sense you gain another" thing?
It doesn't work with smell.
"It doesn't work period, it's an adage lacking any actual backing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28374287</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>ConceptJunkie</author>
	<datestamp>1245341160000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Very expensive sugar pills.  Come to think of it, I think we have homeopathic government:  extremely expensive, no active ingredients, completely relies on placebo effect</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very expensive sugar pills .
Come to think of it , I think we have homeopathic government : extremely expensive , no active ingredients , completely relies on placebo effect</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very expensive sugar pills.
Come to think of it, I think we have homeopathic government:  extremely expensive, no active ingredients, completely relies on placebo effect</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I lol'd</title>
	<author>that IT girl</author>
	<datestamp>1245340680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Oh, so *this* is why we're always told that drinking water is the healthiest thing you can do for your body...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh , so * this * is why we 're always told that drinking water is the healthiest thing you can do for your body.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh, so *this* is why we're always told that drinking water is the healthiest thing you can do for your body...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28373981</id>
	<title>Re:Pull it off the market</title>
	<author>smellsofbikes</author>
	<datestamp>1245339840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>What's funny about this comment, and this whole discussion, is how the American public regards the FDA.  I've had this discussion before with other friends who were avidly interested in homeopathic medicine and very upset that the packaging had to include all the weasel words of "this product may reduce (symptoms) but these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA" sort.<br><br>The FDA was established in the aftermath of a number of food additive scandals, particularly the publishing of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle", where he asserted that the meatpacking industry regularly dumped sawdust, talc, and other bulk materials into processed meat, and sometimes left people who'd fallen into meatprocessing machinery go through the processing system and end up in the meat.  The US public demanded that the government get into the food regulation business, which neither the food industry nor the government particularly wanted, but after enormous public pressure, the Federal government finally set up the FDA as a regulatory agency rather than just the food chemistry research group it had been formerly.<br><br>Once that was in place, the drug industry moved to change how it worked to raise the cost of entry: by working with the FDA to set up very rigorous drug-testing specifications, they made it very difficult for new entrants into the field.  So in the 1970's, during the rise of the alternative lifestyle movement, it was basically impossible to get anything in the way of alternative medicines on the market, any market: you couldn't even sell herbs from the trunk of your VW microbus without running the risk of getting arrested.<br><br>So, again, there was an enormous amount of public pressure on the Federal government to change how things worked, so Congress changed what the FDA could regulate to create an exemption for alternative medicines, by allowing them to be sold if they used weasel words, essentially: if they were sold as just herbs, with non-binding advice on what they might be useful for treating.<br><br>With that established, lots of companies moved into that space, and are still selling things that do have known pharmacological effects, as alternative medicines.  But they're doing it under laws that were established by massive public demand, demand that still exists, so it's a sort of no-win situation for the Federal government.<br><br>The stuff in question is specifically not marketed as an attempt to cure or prevent disease, it's just marketed as a treatment that may alleviate symptoms or words to that effect.  But that's a sham because everyone using it knows that the company intends it to cure or prevent a disease.<br><br>If you rigorously force drug manufacturers to show what they're producing are A: safe, and B: effective at doing what they claim, you'll cut out enormous swathes of alternative medicine because it costs too much (and many medicines *aren't* safe, even though they're effective: aspirin wouldn't pass current FDA certification tests.)  If you don't force drug manufacturers to live up to those standards, you get what we see here: a drug that has a nasty, dangerous, permanent side-effect.  But at the end of the day, most effective drugs *do* have occasional nasty, dangerous, permanent side-effects.<br><br>I would like to see more rigorous regulation of the alternative medicine field, because there are some very scary things being sold and used.  However, requiring that drugs be safe restricts the market to near-uselessness.  (No anti-cancer drug is anything like 'safe'.)<br><br>We need something between what we have now, and "safe".</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's funny about this comment , and this whole discussion , is how the American public regards the FDA .
I 've had this discussion before with other friends who were avidly interested in homeopathic medicine and very upset that the packaging had to include all the weasel words of " this product may reduce ( symptoms ) but these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA " sort.The FDA was established in the aftermath of a number of food additive scandals , particularly the publishing of Upton Sinclair 's " The Jungle " , where he asserted that the meatpacking industry regularly dumped sawdust , talc , and other bulk materials into processed meat , and sometimes left people who 'd fallen into meatprocessing machinery go through the processing system and end up in the meat .
The US public demanded that the government get into the food regulation business , which neither the food industry nor the government particularly wanted , but after enormous public pressure , the Federal government finally set up the FDA as a regulatory agency rather than just the food chemistry research group it had been formerly.Once that was in place , the drug industry moved to change how it worked to raise the cost of entry : by working with the FDA to set up very rigorous drug-testing specifications , they made it very difficult for new entrants into the field .
So in the 1970 's , during the rise of the alternative lifestyle movement , it was basically impossible to get anything in the way of alternative medicines on the market , any market : you could n't even sell herbs from the trunk of your VW microbus without running the risk of getting arrested.So , again , there was an enormous amount of public pressure on the Federal government to change how things worked , so Congress changed what the FDA could regulate to create an exemption for alternative medicines , by allowing them to be sold if they used weasel words , essentially : if they were sold as just herbs , with non-binding advice on what they might be useful for treating.With that established , lots of companies moved into that space , and are still selling things that do have known pharmacological effects , as alternative medicines .
But they 're doing it under laws that were established by massive public demand , demand that still exists , so it 's a sort of no-win situation for the Federal government.The stuff in question is specifically not marketed as an attempt to cure or prevent disease , it 's just marketed as a treatment that may alleviate symptoms or words to that effect .
But that 's a sham because everyone using it knows that the company intends it to cure or prevent a disease.If you rigorously force drug manufacturers to show what they 're producing are A : safe , and B : effective at doing what they claim , you 'll cut out enormous swathes of alternative medicine because it costs too much ( and many medicines * are n't * safe , even though they 're effective : aspirin would n't pass current FDA certification tests .
) If you do n't force drug manufacturers to live up to those standards , you get what we see here : a drug that has a nasty , dangerous , permanent side-effect .
But at the end of the day , most effective drugs * do * have occasional nasty , dangerous , permanent side-effects.I would like to see more rigorous regulation of the alternative medicine field , because there are some very scary things being sold and used .
However , requiring that drugs be safe restricts the market to near-uselessness .
( No anti-cancer drug is anything like 'safe' .
) We need something between what we have now , and " safe " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's funny about this comment, and this whole discussion, is how the American public regards the FDA.
I've had this discussion before with other friends who were avidly interested in homeopathic medicine and very upset that the packaging had to include all the weasel words of "this product may reduce (symptoms) but these statements have not been evaluated by the FDA" sort.The FDA was established in the aftermath of a number of food additive scandals, particularly the publishing of Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle", where he asserted that the meatpacking industry regularly dumped sawdust, talc, and other bulk materials into processed meat, and sometimes left people who'd fallen into meatprocessing machinery go through the processing system and end up in the meat.
The US public demanded that the government get into the food regulation business, which neither the food industry nor the government particularly wanted, but after enormous public pressure, the Federal government finally set up the FDA as a regulatory agency rather than just the food chemistry research group it had been formerly.Once that was in place, the drug industry moved to change how it worked to raise the cost of entry: by working with the FDA to set up very rigorous drug-testing specifications, they made it very difficult for new entrants into the field.
So in the 1970's, during the rise of the alternative lifestyle movement, it was basically impossible to get anything in the way of alternative medicines on the market, any market: you couldn't even sell herbs from the trunk of your VW microbus without running the risk of getting arrested.So, again, there was an enormous amount of public pressure on the Federal government to change how things worked, so Congress changed what the FDA could regulate to create an exemption for alternative medicines, by allowing them to be sold if they used weasel words, essentially: if they were sold as just herbs, with non-binding advice on what they might be useful for treating.With that established, lots of companies moved into that space, and are still selling things that do have known pharmacological effects, as alternative medicines.
But they're doing it under laws that were established by massive public demand, demand that still exists, so it's a sort of no-win situation for the Federal government.The stuff in question is specifically not marketed as an attempt to cure or prevent disease, it's just marketed as a treatment that may alleviate symptoms or words to that effect.
But that's a sham because everyone using it knows that the company intends it to cure or prevent a disease.If you rigorously force drug manufacturers to show what they're producing are A: safe, and B: effective at doing what they claim, you'll cut out enormous swathes of alternative medicine because it costs too much (and many medicines *aren't* safe, even though they're effective: aspirin wouldn't pass current FDA certification tests.
)  If you don't force drug manufacturers to live up to those standards, you get what we see here: a drug that has a nasty, dangerous, permanent side-effect.
But at the end of the day, most effective drugs *do* have occasional nasty, dangerous, permanent side-effects.I would like to see more rigorous regulation of the alternative medicine field, because there are some very scary things being sold and used.
However, requiring that drugs be safe restricts the market to near-uselessness.
(No anti-cancer drug is anything like 'safe'.
)We need something between what we have now, and "safe".</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245334380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Excellent post, my thoughts exactly.  One minor point.  In clinical trials, for ethical reasons you usually tell both groups of subjects that they could receive either the treatment or placebo, but they nor their physician will know which one until the end of the trial.  If you tell them they are going to get the treatment, but give them placebo, that could be considered unethical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excellent post , my thoughts exactly .
One minor point .
In clinical trials , for ethical reasons you usually tell both groups of subjects that they could receive either the treatment or placebo , but they nor their physician will know which one until the end of the trial .
If you tell them they are going to get the treatment , but give them placebo , that could be considered unethical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excellent post, my thoughts exactly.
One minor point.
In clinical trials, for ethical reasons you usually tell both groups of subjects that they could receive either the treatment or placebo, but they nor their physician will know which one until the end of the trial.
If you tell them they are going to get the treatment, but give them placebo, that could be considered unethical.</sentencetext>
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	<title>homeopathy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245330480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Van: Calling all scientists! Calling all scientists! Be advised that there will be a worldwide conference on global warming in Kyoto, Japan.<br>Scientist: I have a degree in homeopathic medicine.<br>Van: You've got a degree in baloney!<br>[hits scientist with blast of water]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Van : Calling all scientists !
Calling all scientists !
Be advised that there will be a worldwide conference on global warming in Kyoto , Japan.Scientist : I have a degree in homeopathic medicine.Van : You 've got a degree in baloney !
[ hits scientist with blast of water ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Van: Calling all scientists!
Calling all scientists!
Be advised that there will be a worldwide conference on global warming in Kyoto, Japan.Scientist: I have a degree in homeopathic medicine.Van: You've got a degree in baloney!
[hits scientist with blast of water]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28384981</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>c6gunner</author>
	<datestamp>1245341760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested, and its not because the drug sucks or that people are faking it</p></div></blockquote><p>That's one of the silliest things anyone has ever written on slashdot.  If your medicine works worse than a placebo (which, by definition, does not work), then you're damn right it's because "the drug sucks".  You're probably feeding your patient poison.</p><blockquote><div><p>there is a huge misconception and stigma surrounding placebos<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... sure, its basically fooling your brain, but whats wrong with that?</p></div></blockquote><p>The only misconception here is yours:  placebos don't fool your brain.  They don't do anything.  YOU fool your brain.  The placebo - whether it be a pill, a liquid, goofy crystals, acupuncture, or prayer - does nothing other than put a dent in your wallet.</p><blockquote><div><p>placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.</p></div></blockquote><p>I hope your girlfriend takes a placebo birth-control pill.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested , and its not because the drug sucks or that people are faking itThat 's one of the silliest things anyone has ever written on slashdot .
If your medicine works worse than a placebo ( which , by definition , does not work ) , then you 're damn right it 's because " the drug sucks " .
You 're probably feeding your patient poison.there is a huge misconception and stigma surrounding placebos ... sure , its basically fooling your brain , but whats wrong with that ? The only misconception here is yours : placebos do n't fool your brain .
They do n't do anything .
YOU fool your brain .
The placebo - whether it be a pill , a liquid , goofy crystals , acupuncture , or prayer - does nothing other than put a dent in your wallet.placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.I hope your girlfriend takes a placebo birth-control pill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in some studies the placebo is actually more effective than the drug being tested, and its not because the drug sucks or that people are faking itThat's one of the silliest things anyone has ever written on slashdot.
If your medicine works worse than a placebo (which, by definition, does not work), then you're damn right it's because "the drug sucks".
You're probably feeding your patient poison.there is a huge misconception and stigma surrounding placebos ... sure, its basically fooling your brain, but whats wrong with that?The only misconception here is yours:  placebos don't fool your brain.
They don't do anything.
YOU fool your brain.
The placebo - whether it be a pill, a liquid, goofy crystals, acupuncture, or prayer - does nothing other than put a dent in your wallet.placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.I hope your girlfriend takes a placebo birth-control pill.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368897</id>
	<title>Not necessarily...</title>
	<author>denzacar</author>
	<datestamp>1245252360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to the <a href="http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/ucm166909.htm" title="fda.gov">warning letter</a> [fda.gov] the solution contains "an active ingredient measured in homeopathic strength--Zincum Gluconicum 2X".<br>2X equals to 1:100 solution - which may be quite a significant dosage of the "active ingredient", <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy#Dilution\_and\_succussion" title="wikipedia.org">depending on its nature.</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Incidentally, this is not the first time this particular maker of this particular homeopathic drug has been a cause of this particular <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zincum\_Gluconicum#Safety\_concerns" title="wikipedia.org">health concern.</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the warning letter [ fda.gov ] the solution contains " an active ingredient measured in homeopathic strength--Zincum Gluconicum 2X " .2X equals to 1 : 100 solution - which may be quite a significant dosage of the " active ingredient " , depending on its nature .
[ wikipedia.org ] Incidentally , this is not the first time this particular maker of this particular homeopathic drug has been a cause of this particular health concern .
[ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the warning letter [fda.gov] the solution contains "an active ingredient measured in homeopathic strength--Zincum Gluconicum 2X".2X equals to 1:100 solution - which may be quite a significant dosage of the "active ingredient", depending on its nature.
[wikipedia.org]Incidentally, this is not the first time this particular maker of this particular homeopathic drug has been a cause of this particular health concern.
[wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28375127</id>
	<title>Think of the (Homeopatist's) Children!</title>
	<author>Requiem18th</author>
	<datestamp>1245344460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guys, we are missing the important bits. This medicine actually does something, it is not really homeopathic, the homeopathic label was put there either to evade FDA regulations and maybe to sell better too. Neither thing should happen, I don't think homeopathic medicine should not sell better than real medicine but what absolutely should never happen is for a medical product to be able to skip FDA regulations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guys , we are missing the important bits .
This medicine actually does something , it is not really homeopathic , the homeopathic label was put there either to evade FDA regulations and maybe to sell better too .
Neither thing should happen , I do n't think homeopathic medicine should not sell better than real medicine but what absolutely should never happen is for a medical product to be able to skip FDA regulations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guys, we are missing the important bits.
This medicine actually does something, it is not really homeopathic, the homeopathic label was put there either to evade FDA regulations and maybe to sell better too.
Neither thing should happen, I don't think homeopathic medicine should not sell better than real medicine but what absolutely should never happen is for a medical product to be able to skip FDA regulations.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28377713</id>
	<title>Obligatory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245354000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Something smells fishy. I think.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Something smells fishy .
I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Something smells fishy.
I think.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369343</id>
	<title>Could be just the cold causing this</title>
	<author>criminy</author>
	<datestamp>1245256860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not necessarily the "medicine", I regularly lose my sense of smell temporarily in the late stages of a cold these days. The loss of smell generally lingers for a week or so after the cold has gone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not necessarily the " medicine " , I regularly lose my sense of smell temporarily in the late stages of a cold these days .
The loss of smell generally lingers for a week or so after the cold has gone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not necessarily the "medicine", I regularly lose my sense of smell temporarily in the late stages of a cold these days.
The loss of smell generally lingers for a week or so after the cold has gone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368971</id>
	<title>Homeopathy is hogwash...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245253140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But this product has nothing to do with homeopathy.   Homeopaths sell water.  They don't do active ingredients.</p><p>-jcr</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But this product has nothing to do with homeopathy .
Homeopaths sell water .
They do n't do active ingredients.-jcr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But this product has nothing to do with homeopathy.
Homeopaths sell water.
They don't do active ingredients.-jcr</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369353</id>
	<title>Why is this tagged 'medicine'?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245256920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not medicine. If it was medicine it would be labeled as such AND it would have a provable effect.</p><p>It's <b>water</b>! How often does that need to be said? The only effect it has is as a placebo. And for those who believe that you can't overdose on homeopathy I have two terms for you: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water\_poisoning" title="wikipedia.org">Water poisoning</a> [wikipedia.org] and drowning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not medicine .
If it was medicine it would be labeled as such AND it would have a provable effect.It 's water !
How often does that need to be said ?
The only effect it has is as a placebo .
And for those who believe that you ca n't overdose on homeopathy I have two terms for you : Water poisoning [ wikipedia.org ] and drowning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not medicine.
If it was medicine it would be labeled as such AND it would have a provable effect.It's water!
How often does that need to be said?
The only effect it has is as a placebo.
And for those who believe that you can't overdose on homeopathy I have two terms for you: Water poisoning [wikipedia.org] and drowning.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28370627</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people even take pharmacudical drugs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245357600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it's called measuring retard</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's called measuring retard</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's called measuring retard</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368995</id>
	<title>Over The Counter Mass Produced Drugs = Bad</title>
	<author>Ravi Jaya</author>
	<datestamp>1245253320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's funny that they can market zicam as being "homeopathic".  It's a total mass produced, corporate, industrially made drug and probably not good to snort up your nose.  Most likely it has damaging effects to the olfactory nerves.
-Ravi
<a href="http://www.ravijaya.com/" title="ravijaya.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.ravijaya.com/</a> [ravijaya.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's funny that they can market zicam as being " homeopathic " .
It 's a total mass produced , corporate , industrially made drug and probably not good to snort up your nose .
Most likely it has damaging effects to the olfactory nerves .
-Ravi http : //www.ravijaya.com/ [ ravijaya.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's funny that they can market zicam as being "homeopathic".
It's a total mass produced, corporate, industrially made drug and probably not good to snort up your nose.
Most likely it has damaging effects to the olfactory nerves.
-Ravi
http://www.ravijaya.com/ [ravijaya.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28385229</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people even take pharmacudical drugs?</title>
	<author>aqk</author>
	<datestamp>1245345360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The body has phenomenal healing capabilities.</p></div><p>Phenomenal compared to what? </p><p>(would there be "miracles" involved also?)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The body has phenomenal healing capabilities.Phenomenal compared to what ?
( would there be " miracles " involved also ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The body has phenomenal healing capabilities.Phenomenal compared to what?
(would there be "miracles" involved also?
)
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28371253</id>
	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245320100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you try a few drops of sugared water and see if that still worked?  I expect it would have, and it would be much cheaper than back's remedies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you try a few drops of sugared water and see if that still worked ?
I expect it would have , and it would be much cheaper than back 's remedies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you try a few drops of sugared water and see if that still worked?
I expect it would have, and it would be much cheaper than back's remedies.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28374561</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>Will.Woodhull</author>
	<datestamp>1245342180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with almost all points of parent post.

</p><p>But saying that the placebo effect is due to "fooling your brain" is just wrong. No one knows what the mechanism of the placebo effect is. It is outside the frameworks of any of the currently established sciences: it cannot be approached as physics, chemistry, or psychology even though it has strong effects in all of these realms.

</p><p>Just accept that the placebo effect exists and we don't have a clue about how it works, or even how to investigate it. Using imagination to supply an acceptable mechanism for something we don't understand is an abuse of the powers of imagination and oh so very pre-scientific. Science can only advance when persons are willing to say "I don't know".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with almost all points of parent post .
But saying that the placebo effect is due to " fooling your brain " is just wrong .
No one knows what the mechanism of the placebo effect is .
It is outside the frameworks of any of the currently established sciences : it can not be approached as physics , chemistry , or psychology even though it has strong effects in all of these realms .
Just accept that the placebo effect exists and we do n't have a clue about how it works , or even how to investigate it .
Using imagination to supply an acceptable mechanism for something we do n't understand is an abuse of the powers of imagination and oh so very pre-scientific .
Science can only advance when persons are willing to say " I do n't know " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with almost all points of parent post.
But saying that the placebo effect is due to "fooling your brain" is just wrong.
No one knows what the mechanism of the placebo effect is.
It is outside the frameworks of any of the currently established sciences: it cannot be approached as physics, chemistry, or psychology even though it has strong effects in all of these realms.
Just accept that the placebo effect exists and we don't have a clue about how it works, or even how to investigate it.
Using imagination to supply an acceptable mechanism for something we don't understand is an abuse of the powers of imagination and oh so very pre-scientific.
Science can only advance when persons are willing to say "I don't know".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368753</id>
	<title>Don't make me cry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245251100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would hate to lose the ability to smell my wife's panties.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would hate to lose the ability to smell my wife 's panties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would hate to lose the ability to smell my wife's panties.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369453</id>
	<title>Re:I *knew* it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245258120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>shut up you homeo !<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>shut up you homeo !
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>shut up you homeo !
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28371699</id>
	<title>Homeopathy is a SCAM</title>
	<author>fateswarm</author>
	<datestamp>1245325440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look about it. They have "cures" that "get better the smallest the amount of "cure" in the water" (e.g. 1nanograms to make it "better") . They are butt crazy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look about it .
They have " cures " that " get better the smallest the amount of " cure " in the water " ( e.g .
1nanograms to make it " better " ) .
They are butt crazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look about it.
They have "cures" that "get better the smallest the amount of "cure" in the water" (e.g.
1nanograms to make it "better") .
They are butt crazy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369777</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>karmatic</author>
	<datestamp>1245261060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.</i><br><a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39081" title="theonion.com">Not Necessarily</a> [theonion.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.Not Necessarily [ theonion.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.Not Necessarily [theonion.com]</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28380987</id>
	<title>a sucker is born every minute</title>
	<author>markringen</author>
	<datestamp>1245320940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>still holds true, as long as people are willing to insert as much of pointless water magic cures there will be a business based around it.
it's all hoax and no fact, and thus people buy it because it holds no fact (magic).

it's like all those miracle diets, u don't have to diet if you just have a head with a brain on top of your neck...</htmltext>
<tokenext>still holds true , as long as people are willing to insert as much of pointless water magic cures there will be a business based around it .
it 's all hoax and no fact , and thus people buy it because it holds no fact ( magic ) .
it 's like all those miracle diets , u do n't have to diet if you just have a head with a brain on top of your neck.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>still holds true, as long as people are willing to insert as much of pointless water magic cures there will be a business based around it.
it's all hoax and no fact, and thus people buy it because it holds no fact (magic).
it's like all those miracle diets, u don't have to diet if you just have a head with a brain on top of your neck...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28376295</id>
	<title>Not homeopathic!</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1245348960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it contains enough Zinc atoms to be detected (let alone have an effect) it's not diluted nearly enough to really be homeopathic.</p><p>Not saying homeopathy isn't a scam, mind, just this once they're being abused by worse scammers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it contains enough Zinc atoms to be detected ( let alone have an effect ) it 's not diluted nearly enough to really be homeopathic.Not saying homeopathy is n't a scam , mind , just this once they 're being abused by worse scammers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it contains enough Zinc atoms to be detected (let alone have an effect) it's not diluted nearly enough to really be homeopathic.Not saying homeopathy isn't a scam, mind, just this once they're being abused by worse scammers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368867</id>
	<title>Better than Deoderant</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245252060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>just put some of that in the drinking water</htmltext>
<tokenext>just put some of that in the drinking water</tokentext>
<sentencetext>just put some of that in the drinking water</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369563</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people even take pharmacudical drugs?</title>
	<author>MacAndrew</author>
	<datestamp>1245259260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um, I think the writer meant "route" not "root."</p><p>And yes I agree it is preposterous to distinguish "natural" remedies as good because they came directly from a plant.  Strychnine anyone?</p><p>The anti-pill arrogance can actually cause harm, as by discouraging people from seeking help.  It's good I think to be skeptical of any treatment, but that doesn't prove you're special.</p><p><div class="quote"><p> <i>if people expanded their horizons and stopped popping Advils or taking Zicam when they aren't feeling well and taking another root (natural medicine, anyone?), It's guaranteed society would notice a difference </i></p><p>Ah, so you know of a root that is an analgesic, or which has anti-inflammatory properties? That's nice. Can you tell how to provide exactly the right amount of that root, prepared in exactly the right and consistent way, to produce just the anti-inflammatory effect needed without also causing liver or kidney trouble, or provoking an allergic response? Really? So, can you explain to a couple hundred thousand local witch doctors exactly how to predictably prepare, store, and dispense that substance so that anyone traveling can be sure they're getting just what they know will work, no matter where they go? I see, so we need some standards for preparation and dosing, just to be safe? I know, let's call those "pharmaceuticals."</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , I think the writer meant " route " not " root .
" And yes I agree it is preposterous to distinguish " natural " remedies as good because they came directly from a plant .
Strychnine anyone ? The anti-pill arrogance can actually cause harm , as by discouraging people from seeking help .
It 's good I think to be skeptical of any treatment , but that does n't prove you 're special .
if people expanded their horizons and stopped popping Advils or taking Zicam when they are n't feeling well and taking another root ( natural medicine , anyone ?
) , It 's guaranteed society would notice a difference Ah , so you know of a root that is an analgesic , or which has anti-inflammatory properties ?
That 's nice .
Can you tell how to provide exactly the right amount of that root , prepared in exactly the right and consistent way , to produce just the anti-inflammatory effect needed without also causing liver or kidney trouble , or provoking an allergic response ?
Really ? So , can you explain to a couple hundred thousand local witch doctors exactly how to predictably prepare , store , and dispense that substance so that anyone traveling can be sure they 're getting just what they know will work , no matter where they go ?
I see , so we need some standards for preparation and dosing , just to be safe ?
I know , let 's call those " pharmaceuticals .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, I think the writer meant "route" not "root.
"And yes I agree it is preposterous to distinguish "natural" remedies as good because they came directly from a plant.
Strychnine anyone?The anti-pill arrogance can actually cause harm, as by discouraging people from seeking help.
It's good I think to be skeptical of any treatment, but that doesn't prove you're special.
if people expanded their horizons and stopped popping Advils or taking Zicam when they aren't feeling well and taking another root (natural medicine, anyone?
), It's guaranteed society would notice a difference Ah, so you know of a root that is an analgesic, or which has anti-inflammatory properties?
That's nice.
Can you tell how to provide exactly the right amount of that root, prepared in exactly the right and consistent way, to produce just the anti-inflammatory effect needed without also causing liver or kidney trouble, or provoking an allergic response?
Really? So, can you explain to a couple hundred thousand local witch doctors exactly how to predictably prepare, store, and dispense that substance so that anyone traveling can be sure they're getting just what they know will work, no matter where they go?
I see, so we need some standards for preparation and dosing, just to be safe?
I know, let's call those "pharmaceuticals.
"
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28376701</id>
	<title>Re:Pull it off the market</title>
	<author>ShakaUVM</author>
	<datestamp>1245350640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>This product needs to be removed from the market. I'd like to see stricter controls on things like this. Anything that attempts to cure or prevent disease needs to be evaluated and tested by the FDA. All supplements, vitamins, these cold prevention products should all have to shown to be safe and do what they claim BEFORE they can be sold.</i></p><p>On a related topic, have you ever wondered why drugs (especially non-generics) are so ungodly expensive in America?</p><p>The process of getting a new drug researched, developed, tested, and evaluated, combined with the number of failed drugs that the successful drugs needs to pay for, means that we're getting reasonably safe and effective drugs, but we're paying through our noses for them.</p><p>If we had less FDA controls, the price of medicine would go down, and more people would benefit from modern medicine. A certain number would also be damaged by the reduced controls, but I think it would be a net win. On the safety/cost spectrum, we're way to the side of high-cost and higher-safety. Reasonably, we should move it back toward a more balanced risk/benefit ratio.</p><p>But nobody wants more Thalidomide babies, so this won't happen. Even if the FDA fails a lot more than we think it does - many, many of our first line drugs have black box warnings on them now.</p><p>I think one cheap solution (that will never happen) is to allow Europeans to serve as our human test subjects. They have lots of drugs there not approved for FDA use. Allow the safety data from their citizens to count as safety tests, and we could probably reap significant benefits - cheaper drugs and (arguably) better drug safety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This product needs to be removed from the market .
I 'd like to see stricter controls on things like this .
Anything that attempts to cure or prevent disease needs to be evaluated and tested by the FDA .
All supplements , vitamins , these cold prevention products should all have to shown to be safe and do what they claim BEFORE they can be sold.On a related topic , have you ever wondered why drugs ( especially non-generics ) are so ungodly expensive in America ? The process of getting a new drug researched , developed , tested , and evaluated , combined with the number of failed drugs that the successful drugs needs to pay for , means that we 're getting reasonably safe and effective drugs , but we 're paying through our noses for them.If we had less FDA controls , the price of medicine would go down , and more people would benefit from modern medicine .
A certain number would also be damaged by the reduced controls , but I think it would be a net win .
On the safety/cost spectrum , we 're way to the side of high-cost and higher-safety .
Reasonably , we should move it back toward a more balanced risk/benefit ratio.But nobody wants more Thalidomide babies , so this wo n't happen .
Even if the FDA fails a lot more than we think it does - many , many of our first line drugs have black box warnings on them now.I think one cheap solution ( that will never happen ) is to allow Europeans to serve as our human test subjects .
They have lots of drugs there not approved for FDA use .
Allow the safety data from their citizens to count as safety tests , and we could probably reap significant benefits - cheaper drugs and ( arguably ) better drug safety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This product needs to be removed from the market.
I'd like to see stricter controls on things like this.
Anything that attempts to cure or prevent disease needs to be evaluated and tested by the FDA.
All supplements, vitamins, these cold prevention products should all have to shown to be safe and do what they claim BEFORE they can be sold.On a related topic, have you ever wondered why drugs (especially non-generics) are so ungodly expensive in America?The process of getting a new drug researched, developed, tested, and evaluated, combined with the number of failed drugs that the successful drugs needs to pay for, means that we're getting reasonably safe and effective drugs, but we're paying through our noses for them.If we had less FDA controls, the price of medicine would go down, and more people would benefit from modern medicine.
A certain number would also be damaged by the reduced controls, but I think it would be a net win.
On the safety/cost spectrum, we're way to the side of high-cost and higher-safety.
Reasonably, we should move it back toward a more balanced risk/benefit ratio.But nobody wants more Thalidomide babies, so this won't happen.
Even if the FDA fails a lot more than we think it does - many, many of our first line drugs have black box warnings on them now.I think one cheap solution (that will never happen) is to allow Europeans to serve as our human test subjects.
They have lots of drugs there not approved for FDA use.
Allow the safety data from their citizens to count as safety tests, and we could probably reap significant benefits - cheaper drugs and (arguably) better drug safety.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368953</id>
	<title>Why do people even take pharmacudical drugs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245252900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The body has phenomenal healing capabilities. They've done extensive and thorough tests on people contrasting the actual drugs and sugar pills and almost all of the participants from both groups were satisfied with the result. For the most part, it's all in your head.</p><p>Being diagnosed with an extremely rare disease named KTS (Klippel Trenaunay Syndrome) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klippel-Trenaunay-Weber\_syndrome" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klippel-Trenaunay-Weber\_syndrome</a> [wikipedia.org] I've taken my fair share of pretty much every drug (from morphine to dilaudid). From personal experience I can tell that all it does is slightly mask the pain and make you feel like worse even worse shit when you factor in all the side-effects. Now, TFA is talking about cold meds but it's the same principal; if people expanded their horizons and stopped popping Advils or taking Zicam when they aren't feeling well and taking another root (natural medicine, anyone?), It's guaranteed society would notice a difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The body has phenomenal healing capabilities .
They 've done extensive and thorough tests on people contrasting the actual drugs and sugar pills and almost all of the participants from both groups were satisfied with the result .
For the most part , it 's all in your head.Being diagnosed with an extremely rare disease named KTS ( Klippel Trenaunay Syndrome ) http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klippel-Trenaunay-Weber \ _syndrome [ wikipedia.org ] I 've taken my fair share of pretty much every drug ( from morphine to dilaudid ) .
From personal experience I can tell that all it does is slightly mask the pain and make you feel like worse even worse shit when you factor in all the side-effects .
Now , TFA is talking about cold meds but it 's the same principal ; if people expanded their horizons and stopped popping Advils or taking Zicam when they are n't feeling well and taking another root ( natural medicine , anyone ?
) , It 's guaranteed society would notice a difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The body has phenomenal healing capabilities.
They've done extensive and thorough tests on people contrasting the actual drugs and sugar pills and almost all of the participants from both groups were satisfied with the result.
For the most part, it's all in your head.Being diagnosed with an extremely rare disease named KTS (Klippel Trenaunay Syndrome) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klippel-Trenaunay-Weber\_syndrome [wikipedia.org] I've taken my fair share of pretty much every drug (from morphine to dilaudid).
From personal experience I can tell that all it does is slightly mask the pain and make you feel like worse even worse shit when you factor in all the side-effects.
Now, TFA is talking about cold meds but it's the same principal; if people expanded their horizons and stopped popping Advils or taking Zicam when they aren't feeling well and taking another root (natural medicine, anyone?
), It's guaranteed society would notice a difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369729</id>
	<title>A scientific experiment...</title>
	<author>marciot</author>
	<datestamp>1245260580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article does not explain whether zinc in general causes you to loose your ability to smell, or whether it is that putting zinc up your nose causes you to loose the ability smell. In the interest of science, I will perform a scientific experiment with Cold-Eeze lozenges, which unlike Zicam, are typically taken orally. Here I have two Cold-Eeze lozenges and a bottle of perfume.<br><i>*stuffs one lozenge into each nostril*</i><br><i>*takes a whiff of the perfume*</i><br>How very interesting, I can't smell a thi... <i>gasp!</i><br><i>*collapses of axphyxia*</i><br><b>Conclusion:</b> Zinc can cause premature death, when stuffed into nose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article does not explain whether zinc in general causes you to loose your ability to smell , or whether it is that putting zinc up your nose causes you to loose the ability smell .
In the interest of science , I will perform a scientific experiment with Cold-Eeze lozenges , which unlike Zicam , are typically taken orally .
Here I have two Cold-Eeze lozenges and a bottle of perfume .
* stuffs one lozenge into each nostril * * takes a whiff of the perfume * How very interesting , I ca n't smell a thi.. .
gasp ! * collapses of axphyxia * Conclusion : Zinc can cause premature death , when stuffed into nose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article does not explain whether zinc in general causes you to loose your ability to smell, or whether it is that putting zinc up your nose causes you to loose the ability smell.
In the interest of science, I will perform a scientific experiment with Cold-Eeze lozenges, which unlike Zicam, are typically taken orally.
Here I have two Cold-Eeze lozenges and a bottle of perfume.
*stuffs one lozenge into each nostril**takes a whiff of the perfume*How very interesting, I can't smell a thi...
gasp!*collapses of axphyxia*Conclusion: Zinc can cause premature death, when stuffed into nose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28375619</id>
	<title>I'm sick of homeopathy</title>
	<author>slimjim8094</author>
	<datestamp>1245346500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>mostly because my mother is really into it. I had pinkeye, and was given 100x homeopath pinkeye 'cure'. I put it in one eye, not the other, and the un'treated' eye got better about 2 days quicker. Look, if you want to believe that homeopathy works, drink some tap water. The concentrations will probably be higher, otherwise the water will remember the shape of the active ingredient that was in it at one point.</p><p>Part of the reason for the FDA's creation was to stop the horseshit 'therapies' that were being sold a hundred years ago. They have a responsibility to screen out the bullshit, especially when it hurts people like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>mostly because my mother is really into it .
I had pinkeye , and was given 100x homeopath pinkeye 'cure' .
I put it in one eye , not the other , and the un'treated ' eye got better about 2 days quicker .
Look , if you want to believe that homeopathy works , drink some tap water .
The concentrations will probably be higher , otherwise the water will remember the shape of the active ingredient that was in it at one point.Part of the reason for the FDA 's creation was to stop the horseshit 'therapies ' that were being sold a hundred years ago .
They have a responsibility to screen out the bullshit , especially when it hurts people like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>mostly because my mother is really into it.
I had pinkeye, and was given 100x homeopath pinkeye 'cure'.
I put it in one eye, not the other, and the un'treated' eye got better about 2 days quicker.
Look, if you want to believe that homeopathy works, drink some tap water.
The concentrations will probably be higher, otherwise the water will remember the shape of the active ingredient that was in it at one point.Part of the reason for the FDA's creation was to stop the horseshit 'therapies' that were being sold a hundred years ago.
They have a responsibility to screen out the bullshit, especially when it hurts people like this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28384999</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>c6gunner</author>
	<datestamp>1245342060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.</p></div></blockquote><p>I hope your girlfriend takes a placebo birth-control pill.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.I hope your girlfriend takes a placebo birth-control pill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>placebos should be preferred as they dont have side effects.I hope your girlfriend takes a placebo birth-control pill.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369573</id>
	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>SQL Error</author>
	<datestamp>1245259320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Seemingly there is no reason for it to work at all, yet there are people who get results by taking it.</p></div></blockquote><p>I had a cold.  I stayed in bed and ate chocolate for a couple of days, and my cold went away.  From this I learned that (a) chocolate is a cure for the common cold and (b) having a cold causes you to gain weight.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seemingly there is no reason for it to work at all , yet there are people who get results by taking it.I had a cold .
I stayed in bed and ate chocolate for a couple of days , and my cold went away .
From this I learned that ( a ) chocolate is a cure for the common cold and ( b ) having a cold causes you to gain weight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seemingly there is no reason for it to work at all, yet there are people who get results by taking it.I had a cold.
I stayed in bed and ate chocolate for a couple of days, and my cold went away.
From this I learned that (a) chocolate is a cure for the common cold and (b) having a cold causes you to gain weight.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369335</id>
	<title>Damn!</title>
	<author>lynn.dylan</author>
	<datestamp>1245256740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This actually happened to my mom like 2 or 3 years ago.  She tried to file a lawsuit against Zicam and everyone treated her like she was crazy.  She still can't smell anything.  What action can she take against this company?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This actually happened to my mom like 2 or 3 years ago .
She tried to file a lawsuit against Zicam and everyone treated her like she was crazy .
She still ca n't smell anything .
What action can she take against this company ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This actually happened to my mom like 2 or 3 years ago.
She tried to file a lawsuit against Zicam and everyone treated her like she was crazy.
She still can't smell anything.
What action can she take against this company?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28383707</id>
	<title>A little duck...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245333060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...explained to me what homeopathy is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...explained to me what homeopathy is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...explained to me what homeopathy is.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28373453</id>
	<title>Side effects may include...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245337560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Side Effects May Include...nausea, vomiting, headaches, heartburn, hair loss, diarrhea, dry mouth, water retention, painful rectal itch, hallucination, dementia, psychosis, coma, death, halitosis, lung cancer, mental retardation, brain tumors, paralyzation, sleep loss, internal bleeding, internal combustion, a sudden craving to sniff your carpet, an addiction to cocaine, heroin, PCP, speed and Windex, bone weakening, claustrophobia, acne, playing Everquest II, regular PMS, making Jesus cry, the inability to use proper english in an online environment, homosexuality, AIDS, an urge to stab your spouse, inability to breathe oxygen, urge to watch the Chinese version of Friends, migraines, diabetes, deafness, and of course, the inability to speak properly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Side Effects May Include...nausea , vomiting , headaches , heartburn , hair loss , diarrhea , dry mouth , water retention , painful rectal itch , hallucination , dementia , psychosis , coma , death , halitosis , lung cancer , mental retardation , brain tumors , paralyzation , sleep loss , internal bleeding , internal combustion , a sudden craving to sniff your carpet , an addiction to cocaine , heroin , PCP , speed and Windex , bone weakening , claustrophobia , acne , playing Everquest II , regular PMS , making Jesus cry , the inability to use proper english in an online environment , homosexuality , AIDS , an urge to stab your spouse , inability to breathe oxygen , urge to watch the Chinese version of Friends , migraines , diabetes , deafness , and of course , the inability to speak properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Side Effects May Include...nausea, vomiting, headaches, heartburn, hair loss, diarrhea, dry mouth, water retention, painful rectal itch, hallucination, dementia, psychosis, coma, death, halitosis, lung cancer, mental retardation, brain tumors, paralyzation, sleep loss, internal bleeding, internal combustion, a sudden craving to sniff your carpet, an addiction to cocaine, heroin, PCP, speed and Windex, bone weakening, claustrophobia, acne, playing Everquest II, regular PMS, making Jesus cry, the inability to use proper english in an online environment, homosexuality, AIDS, an urge to stab your spouse, inability to breathe oxygen, urge to watch the Chinese version of Friends, migraines, diabetes, deafness, and of course, the inability to speak properly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368963</id>
	<title>Here's the meta-analysis</title>
	<author>nbauman</author>
	<datestamp>1245253080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
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	<htmltext><a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10796643" title="nih.gov">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10796643</a> [nih.gov]
<p>
Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2000;(2):CD001364.
</p><p>
Update in: Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2006;(3):CD001364.
</p><p>
    Zinc for the common cold.
    Marshall I.
</p><p>
    National Center of Epidemiology and Population Health, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia, 0200. marshali@health.qld.gov.au
</p><p>
    OBJECTIVES: Interest in zinc as a treatment for the common cold has grown following the recent publication of several controlled trials. The objective of this review was to assess the effects of zinc lozenges for cold symptoms. </p><p>
SEARCH STRATEGY: A search was made of the Cochrane Controlled Trials Register, MEDLINE, EMBASE and reference lists of articles. Searches were run to the end of 1997.
</p><p>
SELECTION CRITERIA: Randomised double blind placebo-controlled trials of zinc for acute upper respiratory tract infection or cold.
</p><p>
DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS: Two reviewers independently extracted data and assessed trial quality.
</p><p>
MAIN RESULTS: Seven trials involving 754 cases were included. With the exception of one study, the methodological quality was rated as medium to high. For most outcome measures different summary estimates were used across the studies to describe the duration, incidence and severity of respiratory symptoms. This limited the ability to pool results. Results from two trials (04 - Mossad; 08 - Smith) suggested zinc lozenges reduced the severity and duration of cold symptoms. However, there was significant potential for bias, and further research is required to substantiate these findings. Overall, the results suggest that treatment with zinc lozenges did not reduce the duration of cold symptoms.
</p><p>
REVIEWER'S CONCLUSIONS: Evidence of the effects of zinc lozenges for treating the common cold is inconclusive. Given the potential for treatment to produce side effects, the use of zinc lozenges to treat cold symptoms deserves further study.
</p><p>
(This meta-analysis was actually withdrawn, and I don't know why, maybe to evaluate more recent data.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10796643 [ nih.gov ] Cochrane Database Syst Rev .
2000 ; ( 2 ) : CD001364 . Update in : Cochrane Database Syst Rev .
2006 ; ( 3 ) : CD001364 . Zinc for the common cold .
Marshall I . National Center of Epidemiology and Population Health , Australian National University , Canberra , Australia , 0200. marshali @ health.qld.gov.au OBJECTIVES : Interest in zinc as a treatment for the common cold has grown following the recent publication of several controlled trials .
The objective of this review was to assess the effects of zinc lozenges for cold symptoms .
SEARCH STRATEGY : A search was made of the Cochrane Controlled Trials Register , MEDLINE , EMBASE and reference lists of articles .
Searches were run to the end of 1997 .
SELECTION CRITERIA : Randomised double blind placebo-controlled trials of zinc for acute upper respiratory tract infection or cold .
DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS : Two reviewers independently extracted data and assessed trial quality .
MAIN RESULTS : Seven trials involving 754 cases were included .
With the exception of one study , the methodological quality was rated as medium to high .
For most outcome measures different summary estimates were used across the studies to describe the duration , incidence and severity of respiratory symptoms .
This limited the ability to pool results .
Results from two trials ( 04 - Mossad ; 08 - Smith ) suggested zinc lozenges reduced the severity and duration of cold symptoms .
However , there was significant potential for bias , and further research is required to substantiate these findings .
Overall , the results suggest that treatment with zinc lozenges did not reduce the duration of cold symptoms .
REVIEWER 'S CONCLUSIONS : Evidence of the effects of zinc lozenges for treating the common cold is inconclusive .
Given the potential for treatment to produce side effects , the use of zinc lozenges to treat cold symptoms deserves further study .
( This meta-analysis was actually withdrawn , and I do n't know why , maybe to evaluate more recent data .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10796643 [nih.gov]

Cochrane Database Syst Rev.
2000;(2):CD001364.

Update in: Cochrane Database Syst Rev.
2006;(3):CD001364.

    Zinc for the common cold.
Marshall I.

    National Center of Epidemiology and Population Health, Australian National University, Canberra, Australia, 0200. marshali@health.qld.gov.au

    OBJECTIVES: Interest in zinc as a treatment for the common cold has grown following the recent publication of several controlled trials.
The objective of this review was to assess the effects of zinc lozenges for cold symptoms.
SEARCH STRATEGY: A search was made of the Cochrane Controlled Trials Register, MEDLINE, EMBASE and reference lists of articles.
Searches were run to the end of 1997.
SELECTION CRITERIA: Randomised double blind placebo-controlled trials of zinc for acute upper respiratory tract infection or cold.
DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS: Two reviewers independently extracted data and assessed trial quality.
MAIN RESULTS: Seven trials involving 754 cases were included.
With the exception of one study, the methodological quality was rated as medium to high.
For most outcome measures different summary estimates were used across the studies to describe the duration, incidence and severity of respiratory symptoms.
This limited the ability to pool results.
Results from two trials (04 - Mossad; 08 - Smith) suggested zinc lozenges reduced the severity and duration of cold symptoms.
However, there was significant potential for bias, and further research is required to substantiate these findings.
Overall, the results suggest that treatment with zinc lozenges did not reduce the duration of cold symptoms.
REVIEWER'S CONCLUSIONS: Evidence of the effects of zinc lozenges for treating the common cold is inconclusive.
Given the potential for treatment to produce side effects, the use of zinc lozenges to treat cold symptoms deserves further study.
(This meta-analysis was actually withdrawn, and I don't know why, maybe to evaluate more recent data.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369411</id>
	<title>Re:Better scent than anything else.</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1245257640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've heard that when you can't smell you can't taste, which is bullshit. I can't tell the difference between some things but I do very much have a vivid sense of taste still.</p></div><p>I have had anosmia since the age of three, from a botched medical nose cauterization.  I am in my 30s, and to this day am still frequently surprised to learn from others all sorts of things that do have smells which I can not smell, and I would have assumed are fairly inert (Like plastic)</p><p>Many foods to me have no flavor at all, and all that remains is consistency.  This makes any steak to me, no matter how well prepared and how praised by others eating it, feels like chewing cardboard to me.  I can attest it is far from bullshit, and if you do have a vivid sense of taste, you have not lost your sense of smell fully.</p><p>On a side note, if I had to choose a sense to lose, this would be the one.<br>Only once every few weeks or so do I hear comments such as "oooh doesn't that smell wonderful?! mmm",  however much more frequently I do hear comments such as "Uhh awww who the hell.. oh my god" and room fleeing.  In fact if I don't have a day off work, it can be a week filling occurrence<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p><p>Sadly, I too have experienced the same lack of my other senses sharpening<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:{</p><p>Another down side is, this has multiple times given others the genius idea to ask me to change their cat litter or some crap because "I wouldn't mind" (obviously!)</p><p>It is also the reason why I have most of three gas grills sitting out back.  One was in need of some parts, of which each of the other two grills have.  I figured like many other things can be, I would just combine three nonfunctional items into one functional one with a crap load of spare parts.<br>Except they have been out there for years.  I can't smell the additives to propane gas that give it a smell.<br>I have no method to detect a leak, or that I would be about to light a flame in an area with a cloud of gas around me.  Thus I don't even mess with it.</p><p>It's not all ponies and rainbows</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've heard that when you ca n't smell you ca n't taste , which is bullshit .
I ca n't tell the difference between some things but I do very much have a vivid sense of taste still.I have had anosmia since the age of three , from a botched medical nose cauterization .
I am in my 30s , and to this day am still frequently surprised to learn from others all sorts of things that do have smells which I can not smell , and I would have assumed are fairly inert ( Like plastic ) Many foods to me have no flavor at all , and all that remains is consistency .
This makes any steak to me , no matter how well prepared and how praised by others eating it , feels like chewing cardboard to me .
I can attest it is far from bullshit , and if you do have a vivid sense of taste , you have not lost your sense of smell fully.On a side note , if I had to choose a sense to lose , this would be the one.Only once every few weeks or so do I hear comments such as " oooh does n't that smell wonderful ? !
mmm " , however much more frequently I do hear comments such as " Uhh awww who the hell.. oh my god " and room fleeing .
In fact if I do n't have a day off work , it can be a week filling occurrence : PSadly , I too have experienced the same lack of my other senses sharpening : { Another down side is , this has multiple times given others the genius idea to ask me to change their cat litter or some crap because " I would n't mind " ( obviously !
) It is also the reason why I have most of three gas grills sitting out back .
One was in need of some parts , of which each of the other two grills have .
I figured like many other things can be , I would just combine three nonfunctional items into one functional one with a crap load of spare parts.Except they have been out there for years .
I ca n't smell the additives to propane gas that give it a smell.I have no method to detect a leak , or that I would be about to light a flame in an area with a cloud of gas around me .
Thus I do n't even mess with it.It 's not all ponies and rainbows</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard that when you can't smell you can't taste, which is bullshit.
I can't tell the difference between some things but I do very much have a vivid sense of taste still.I have had anosmia since the age of three, from a botched medical nose cauterization.
I am in my 30s, and to this day am still frequently surprised to learn from others all sorts of things that do have smells which I can not smell, and I would have assumed are fairly inert (Like plastic)Many foods to me have no flavor at all, and all that remains is consistency.
This makes any steak to me, no matter how well prepared and how praised by others eating it, feels like chewing cardboard to me.
I can attest it is far from bullshit, and if you do have a vivid sense of taste, you have not lost your sense of smell fully.On a side note, if I had to choose a sense to lose, this would be the one.Only once every few weeks or so do I hear comments such as "oooh doesn't that smell wonderful?!
mmm",  however much more frequently I do hear comments such as "Uhh awww who the hell.. oh my god" and room fleeing.
In fact if I don't have a day off work, it can be a week filling occurrence :PSadly, I too have experienced the same lack of my other senses sharpening :{Another down side is, this has multiple times given others the genius idea to ask me to change their cat litter or some crap because "I wouldn't mind" (obviously!
)It is also the reason why I have most of three gas grills sitting out back.
One was in need of some parts, of which each of the other two grills have.
I figured like many other things can be, I would just combine three nonfunctional items into one functional one with a crap load of spare parts.Except they have been out there for years.
I can't smell the additives to propane gas that give it a smell.I have no method to detect a leak, or that I would be about to light a flame in an area with a cloud of gas around me.
Thus I don't even mess with it.It's not all ponies and rainbows
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368883</id>
	<title>Re:Only the nasal version</title>
	<author>Penguinshit</author>
	<datestamp>1245252240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Soon you will have no sense of taste.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Soon you will have no sense of taste .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Soon you will have no sense of taste.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368759</id>
	<title>Question</title>
	<author>camperdave</author>
	<datestamp>1245251160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No sense of sight: Blind<br>
No sense of hearing: Deaf<br>
No sense of touch: Numb<br>
No sense of direction: Lost<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)<br> <br>

No sense of smell: ???</htmltext>
<tokenext>No sense of sight : Blind No sense of hearing : Deaf No sense of touch : Numb No sense of direction : Lost : - ) No sense of smell : ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No sense of sight: Blind
No sense of hearing: Deaf
No sense of touch: Numb
No sense of direction: Lost :-) 

No sense of smell: ??
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28370549</id>
	<title>What's the smaller risk to my sense of smell...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245356820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to wonder if my sense of smell is more at risk if i DON'T use it.<br>Someone needs to point out that this stuff really seems to work and, in my case at least, without damaging the sense of smell.  It's one of the few medications that I will use because it saves me days of suffering from a cold.  I'm going to stock up for next winter before it's off the shelves.</p><p>35 million products sold, 130 cases of lost smell for taking a medication that treats colds, meaning that those taking it already had a cold or were developing one.  So just what is the frequency of permanent anosmia after a cold for those that haven't taken the Zicam product).</p><p>From the Zicam website:<br>"Since Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal Cold Remedy products were first introduced in the market in 1999, more than 35 million retail units representing over 1 billion doses have been sold"</p><p>"It is well understood in the medical and scientific communities that the most common cause of anosmia is the common cold, which Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal gel products are taken to treat. Given the enormous number of doses sold and colds treated, there is no reason to believe the number of complaints of anosmia received is more than the number that would be expected in the general population.</p><p>I just wish they would do a proper study of risk and effectiveness.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to wonder if my sense of smell is more at risk if i DO N'T use it.Someone needs to point out that this stuff really seems to work and , in my case at least , without damaging the sense of smell .
It 's one of the few medications that I will use because it saves me days of suffering from a cold .
I 'm going to stock up for next winter before it 's off the shelves.35 million products sold , 130 cases of lost smell for taking a medication that treats colds , meaning that those taking it already had a cold or were developing one .
So just what is the frequency of permanent anosmia after a cold for those that have n't taken the Zicam product ) .From the Zicam website : " Since Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal Cold Remedy products were first introduced in the market in 1999 , more than 35 million retail units representing over 1 billion doses have been sold " " It is well understood in the medical and scientific communities that the most common cause of anosmia is the common cold , which Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal gel products are taken to treat .
Given the enormous number of doses sold and colds treated , there is no reason to believe the number of complaints of anosmia received is more than the number that would be expected in the general population.I just wish they would do a proper study of risk and effectiveness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to wonder if my sense of smell is more at risk if i DON'T use it.Someone needs to point out that this stuff really seems to work and, in my case at least, without damaging the sense of smell.
It's one of the few medications that I will use because it saves me days of suffering from a cold.
I'm going to stock up for next winter before it's off the shelves.35 million products sold, 130 cases of lost smell for taking a medication that treats colds, meaning that those taking it already had a cold or were developing one.
So just what is the frequency of permanent anosmia after a cold for those that haven't taken the Zicam product).From the Zicam website:"Since Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal Cold Remedy products were first introduced in the market in 1999, more than 35 million retail units representing over 1 billion doses have been sold""It is well understood in the medical and scientific communities that the most common cause of anosmia is the common cold, which Zicam Cold Remedy intranasal gel products are taken to treat.
Given the enormous number of doses sold and colds treated, there is no reason to believe the number of complaints of anosmia received is more than the number that would be expected in the general population.I just wish they would do a proper study of risk and effectiveness.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368811</id>
	<title>Not Homeopathic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245251580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The odd bit of this story that no one really seems to be reporting is that this medicine, although sold under the "homeopathic" provisions of FDA regulations (and thereby bypassing the normal approval process), is not a homeopathic medicine as the term is usually used.</p><p>If you go read the wikipedia entry on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy" title="wikipedia.org">Homeopathy</a> [wikipedia.org], you can see that the way homeopathic medicines are made involves taking a substance and then repeatedly diluting it with water, alcohol or sugar.  Most homeopathic medicines are diluted repeatedly until the level of dilution is such that statistically, there is unlikely to even be a single molecule of the original substance remaining.  Homeopaths consider higher levels of dilution to be more powerful.  They generally believe that the water "remembers" the shape of the original substance.</p><p>The Zicam nasal spray is only diluted 100:1 (2X or 1C on homeopathic scales), meaning that it is within the range of normal dilutions used in preparing drugs for delivery, not diluted to a level used in homeopathic remedies.  It's being governed by rules meant to only cover placebos, but at that concentration, it's not a placebo.  It's a real drug which can have real side effects.  If the rules have allowed this drug to come to market legally then those rules have a huge loophole and need to be fixed ASAP.  But no one seems to be noting that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The odd bit of this story that no one really seems to be reporting is that this medicine , although sold under the " homeopathic " provisions of FDA regulations ( and thereby bypassing the normal approval process ) , is not a homeopathic medicine as the term is usually used.If you go read the wikipedia entry on Homeopathy [ wikipedia.org ] , you can see that the way homeopathic medicines are made involves taking a substance and then repeatedly diluting it with water , alcohol or sugar .
Most homeopathic medicines are diluted repeatedly until the level of dilution is such that statistically , there is unlikely to even be a single molecule of the original substance remaining .
Homeopaths consider higher levels of dilution to be more powerful .
They generally believe that the water " remembers " the shape of the original substance.The Zicam nasal spray is only diluted 100 : 1 ( 2X or 1C on homeopathic scales ) , meaning that it is within the range of normal dilutions used in preparing drugs for delivery , not diluted to a level used in homeopathic remedies .
It 's being governed by rules meant to only cover placebos , but at that concentration , it 's not a placebo .
It 's a real drug which can have real side effects .
If the rules have allowed this drug to come to market legally then those rules have a huge loophole and need to be fixed ASAP .
But no one seems to be noting that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The odd bit of this story that no one really seems to be reporting is that this medicine, although sold under the "homeopathic" provisions of FDA regulations (and thereby bypassing the normal approval process), is not a homeopathic medicine as the term is usually used.If you go read the wikipedia entry on Homeopathy [wikipedia.org], you can see that the way homeopathic medicines are made involves taking a substance and then repeatedly diluting it with water, alcohol or sugar.
Most homeopathic medicines are diluted repeatedly until the level of dilution is such that statistically, there is unlikely to even be a single molecule of the original substance remaining.
Homeopaths consider higher levels of dilution to be more powerful.
They generally believe that the water "remembers" the shape of the original substance.The Zicam nasal spray is only diluted 100:1 (2X or 1C on homeopathic scales), meaning that it is within the range of normal dilutions used in preparing drugs for delivery, not diluted to a level used in homeopathic remedies.
It's being governed by rules meant to only cover placebos, but at that concentration, it's not a placebo.
It's a real drug which can have real side effects.
If the rules have allowed this drug to come to market legally then those rules have a huge loophole and need to be fixed ASAP.
But no one seems to be noting that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28379847</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really homeopathic</title>
	<author>Dewin</author>
	<datestamp>1245316680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if you have a minor illness that isn't really treatable but will go away just fine on its own?</p><p>Just thinking that you're taking something will make you feel better, and making you feel better is the doctor's job isn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if you have a minor illness that is n't really treatable but will go away just fine on its own ? Just thinking that you 're taking something will make you feel better , and making you feel better is the doctor 's job is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if you have a minor illness that isn't really treatable but will go away just fine on its own?Just thinking that you're taking something will make you feel better, and making you feel better is the doctor's job isn't it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369123</id>
	<title>Re:Why do people even take pharmacudical drugs?</title>
	<author>michaelhood</author>
	<datestamp>1245254400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's quite anecdotal. Different people react to different medicines differently.</p><p>I know some people find relief from extreme pain only with the use of Dilaudid or similar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's quite anecdotal .
Different people react to different medicines differently.I know some people find relief from extreme pain only with the use of Dilaudid or similar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's quite anecdotal.
Different people react to different medicines differently.I know some people find relief from extreme pain only with the use of Dilaudid or similar.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368835</id>
	<title>Eh? Homeopathic?</title>
	<author>Wolfbone</author>
	<datestamp>1245251760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Homeopathic quackery is infamous and justly ridiculed for the fact that its 'remedies' contain <i>exactly no active ingredients</i> and - unsurprisingly - also have exactly no biological effects. This zinc based stuff is obviously <i>not</i> homeopathic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Homeopathic quackery is infamous and justly ridiculed for the fact that its 'remedies ' contain exactly no active ingredients and - unsurprisingly - also have exactly no biological effects .
This zinc based stuff is obviously not homeopathic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Homeopathic quackery is infamous and justly ridiculed for the fact that its 'remedies' contain exactly no active ingredients and - unsurprisingly - also have exactly no biological effects.
This zinc based stuff is obviously not homeopathic.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28370163</id>
	<title>I lol'd</title>
	<author>Swordopolis</author>
	<datestamp>1245265680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Furthermore, since water will have been in contact with millions of different substances throughout its history, critics point out that any glass of water is therefore an extreme dilution of almost any conceivable substance, and so by drinking water one would, according to homeopathic principles, receive treatment for every imaginable condition."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Furthermore , since water will have been in contact with millions of different substances throughout its history , critics point out that any glass of water is therefore an extreme dilution of almost any conceivable substance , and so by drinking water one would , according to homeopathic principles , receive treatment for every imaginable condition .
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<sentencetext>"Furthermore, since water will have been in contact with millions of different substances throughout its history, critics point out that any glass of water is therefore an extreme dilution of almost any conceivable substance, and so by drinking water one would, according to homeopathic principles, receive treatment for every imaginable condition.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369531</id>
	<title>Yes, active ingredient is zincum gluconium</title>
	<author>NotSoHeavyD3</author>
	<datestamp>1245259020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>And it's even in an effective dosage, at least that's what I got from this blog post
<a href="http://cmpalmer.blogspot.com/2005/04/zicam-homeopathic-cold-remedies.html" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://cmpalmer.blogspot.com/2005/04/zicam-homeopathic-cold-remedies.html</a> [blogspot.com]

That is weird though, it's a fake "fake drug".</htmltext>
<tokenext>And it 's even in an effective dosage , at least that 's what I got from this blog post http : //cmpalmer.blogspot.com/2005/04/zicam-homeopathic-cold-remedies.html [ blogspot.com ] That is weird though , it 's a fake " fake drug " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it's even in an effective dosage, at least that's what I got from this blog post
http://cmpalmer.blogspot.com/2005/04/zicam-homeopathic-cold-remedies.html [blogspot.com]

That is weird though, it's a fake "fake drug".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28374145</id>
	<title>My dad was born without a sense of smell</title>
	<author>Matt Apple</author>
	<datestamp>1245340500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My dad was born without a sense of smell.
He has 3 smoke detectors and turns on a series of lights when he is cooking (so that he doesn't forget and burn the house down).

One interesting thing is that the sense of smell is closely associated with taste(notice how bland things taste when your nose is stuffed up) so Dad likes to douse things in hot sauce or lemon juice so he can get some flavor. Over the years he has chugged a few containers of spoiled milk that would gag a crocodile.

There are real dangers though. Someone carelessly tossed an empty container of a chemical into a trashcan next to his workstation. Without a sense of smell he simply breathed it in for hours whereas anyone else would have detected it in seconds. He ended up with chemical pneumonia.

Other symptoms include being paranoid about BO and wearing too much cologne that was recommended to him by the pretty girl behind the perfume counter at the mall.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My dad was born without a sense of smell .
He has 3 smoke detectors and turns on a series of lights when he is cooking ( so that he does n't forget and burn the house down ) .
One interesting thing is that the sense of smell is closely associated with taste ( notice how bland things taste when your nose is stuffed up ) so Dad likes to douse things in hot sauce or lemon juice so he can get some flavor .
Over the years he has chugged a few containers of spoiled milk that would gag a crocodile .
There are real dangers though .
Someone carelessly tossed an empty container of a chemical into a trashcan next to his workstation .
Without a sense of smell he simply breathed it in for hours whereas anyone else would have detected it in seconds .
He ended up with chemical pneumonia .
Other symptoms include being paranoid about BO and wearing too much cologne that was recommended to him by the pretty girl behind the perfume counter at the mall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My dad was born without a sense of smell.
He has 3 smoke detectors and turns on a series of lights when he is cooking (so that he doesn't forget and burn the house down).
One interesting thing is that the sense of smell is closely associated with taste(notice how bland things taste when your nose is stuffed up) so Dad likes to douse things in hot sauce or lemon juice so he can get some flavor.
Over the years he has chugged a few containers of spoiled milk that would gag a crocodile.
There are real dangers though.
Someone carelessly tossed an empty container of a chemical into a trashcan next to his workstation.
Without a sense of smell he simply breathed it in for hours whereas anyone else would have detected it in seconds.
He ended up with chemical pneumonia.
Other symptoms include being paranoid about BO and wearing too much cologne that was recommended to him by the pretty girl behind the perfume counter at the mall.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28375387</id>
	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>OwnedByTwoCats</author>
	<datestamp>1245345480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Tell one group they're getting the homeopathic "medicine" and give that to them. Tell the other group that's what they're getting and give them a placebo. Compare the results. That's how accurate results are obtained about the effectiveness of an actual drug against the placebo effect.</p></div></blockquote><p>No, no, no, no, no!</p><p>Secretly assign subjects to be in one of two groups.  Each subject gets a substance.  It might be the medicine under test, it might be a placebo.  Neither the patient nor the person administering the medicine/evaluating the results should know which group the patient was in, i.e. whether the patient got the medicine or the placebo.</p><p>Basic science, here.  Only Change One Variable At A Time.  My fourth-grade daughter learned that in science class.  Patient knowing what they're receiving: variable.  Administrator knowing what they're giving the patient: variable.  Medicine the patient got: variable.  Decide what you want to test, and change only that.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Tell one group they 're getting the homeopathic " medicine " and give that to them .
Tell the other group that 's what they 're getting and give them a placebo .
Compare the results .
That 's how accurate results are obtained about the effectiveness of an actual drug against the placebo effect.No , no , no , no , no ! Secretly assign subjects to be in one of two groups .
Each subject gets a substance .
It might be the medicine under test , it might be a placebo .
Neither the patient nor the person administering the medicine/evaluating the results should know which group the patient was in , i.e .
whether the patient got the medicine or the placebo.Basic science , here .
Only Change One Variable At A Time .
My fourth-grade daughter learned that in science class .
Patient knowing what they 're receiving : variable .
Administrator knowing what they 're giving the patient : variable .
Medicine the patient got : variable .
Decide what you want to test , and change only that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell one group they're getting the homeopathic "medicine" and give that to them.
Tell the other group that's what they're getting and give them a placebo.
Compare the results.
That's how accurate results are obtained about the effectiveness of an actual drug against the placebo effect.No, no, no, no, no!Secretly assign subjects to be in one of two groups.
Each subject gets a substance.
It might be the medicine under test, it might be a placebo.
Neither the patient nor the person administering the medicine/evaluating the results should know which group the patient was in, i.e.
whether the patient got the medicine or the placebo.Basic science, here.
Only Change One Variable At A Time.
My fourth-grade daughter learned that in science class.
Patient knowing what they're receiving: variable.
Administrator knowing what they're giving the patient: variable.
Medicine the patient got: variable.
Decide what you want to test, and change only that.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28368945</id>
	<title>i can totally see this happeining</title>
	<author>FudRucker</author>
	<datestamp>1245252780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>husband: honey, i have a cure for those smelly farts i have<br>wife: thats nice dear, Beano?<br>husband: no, this is better just one sniff and your cured forever</htmltext>
<tokenext>husband : honey , i have a cure for those smelly farts i havewife : thats nice dear , Beano ? husband : no , this is better just one sniff and your cured forever</tokentext>
<sentencetext>husband: honey, i have a cure for those smelly farts i havewife: thats nice dear, Beano?husband: no, this is better just one sniff and your cured forever</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2225246.28369957</id>
	<title>Re:There is more to it than meets the eye</title>
	<author>compro01</author>
	<datestamp>1245263100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, I believe I remember reading (I forget where, possibly reader's digest) about some compound in dark chocolate that is a highly effective cough suppressant, supposedly better than codeine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , I believe I remember reading ( I forget where , possibly reader 's digest ) about some compound in dark chocolate that is a highly effective cough suppressant , supposedly better than codeine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, I believe I remember reading (I forget where, possibly reader's digest) about some compound in dark chocolate that is a highly effective cough suppressant, supposedly better than codeine.</sentencetext>
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