<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_17_1657231</id>
	<title>Gold Sold From Vending Machines In Germany</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1245263940000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>There are fewer hassles for an adventurer or business traveler bigger than lugging around bags of silver and copper pieces. Luckily TG-Gold-Super-Markt has installed <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5554972/Gold-sold-like-chocolate-from-German-vending-machines.html">gold vending machines</a> in 500 locations including train stations and airports all across Germany. The machines charge about 30\% more than the current trading price for gold, and are updated every few minutes. All are closely monitored by cameras, and like 3rd and 4th edition, electrum pieces are not accepted.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are fewer hassles for an adventurer or business traveler bigger than lugging around bags of silver and copper pieces .
Luckily TG-Gold-Super-Markt has installed gold vending machines in 500 locations including train stations and airports all across Germany .
The machines charge about 30 \ % more than the current trading price for gold , and are updated every few minutes .
All are closely monitored by cameras , and like 3rd and 4th edition , electrum pieces are not accepted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are fewer hassles for an adventurer or business traveler bigger than lugging around bags of silver and copper pieces.
Luckily TG-Gold-Super-Markt has installed gold vending machines in 500 locations including train stations and airports all across Germany.
The machines charge about 30\% more than the current trading price for gold, and are updated every few minutes.
All are closely monitored by cameras, and like 3rd and 4th edition, electrum pieces are not accepted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365283</id>
	<title>This is targeted at doomsdayer types</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1245271440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't a rational thing. It is to get the people who are doing the "OMG the economy is going to collapse!" thing and don't know what to do. They see this and go "Ahh I can buy gold, gold is always safe!" It isn't targeted at rational investors, or even rational survivalists for that matter. It is targeted at alarmist doomsdayers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't a rational thing .
It is to get the people who are doing the " OMG the economy is going to collapse !
" thing and do n't know what to do .
They see this and go " Ahh I can buy gold , gold is always safe !
" It is n't targeted at rational investors , or even rational survivalists for that matter .
It is targeted at alarmist doomsdayers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't a rational thing.
It is to get the people who are doing the "OMG the economy is going to collapse!
" thing and don't know what to do.
They see this and go "Ahh I can buy gold, gold is always safe!
" It isn't targeted at rational investors, or even rational survivalists for that matter.
It is targeted at alarmist doomsdayers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367993</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245243720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lets ee:<br>Privacy nuts: transactions are recorded, so they are out<br>The very rich: way too financial savy for buy gold at 30\%<br>Money laundered: the transactions are recorded and this just means they will have to launder gold.</p><p>I don't' know German tax law, but isn't the money they are using to buy gold alread taxed? Wouldn't converting ti back create another point of taxation?</p><p>My impressions of German are that they are reasonable smart, ahve hot women, and over value their beer.</p><p>You heard me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lets ee : Privacy nuts : transactions are recorded , so they are outThe very rich : way too financial savy for buy gold at 30 \ % Money laundered : the transactions are recorded and this just means they will have to launder gold.I do n't ' know German tax law , but is n't the money they are using to buy gold alread taxed ?
Would n't converting ti back create another point of taxation ? My impressions of German are that they are reasonable smart , ahve hot women , and over value their beer.You heard me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lets ee:Privacy nuts: transactions are recorded, so they are outThe very rich: way too financial savy for buy gold at 30\%Money laundered: the transactions are recorded and this just means they will have to launder gold.I don't' know German tax law, but isn't the money they are using to buy gold alread taxed?
Wouldn't converting ti back create another point of taxation?My impressions of German are that they are reasonable smart, ahve hot women, and over value their beer.You heard me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364445</id>
	<title>1st post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245267780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>gold on first post</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>gold on first post</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gold on first post</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364431</id>
	<title>LUNIX!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245267720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Linux just isn't ready for the gold vending machines yet. It may be ready for the web servers that you nerds use to distribute your TRON fanzines and personal Dungeons and Dragons web-sights across the world wide web, but the average computer user isn't going to spend months learning how to use a CLI and then hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface for their customer's to buy gold from their vending machines, especially not when they already have a Windows-based gold vending machine that does its job perfectly well and is backed by a major corporation, as opposed to Linux which is only supported by a few unemployed nerds living in their mother's basement somewhere. The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf (haha) providing me my OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux just is n't ready for the gold vending machines yet .
It may be ready for the web servers that you nerds use to distribute your TRON fanzines and personal Dungeons and Dragons web-sights across the world wide web , but the average computer user is n't going to spend months learning how to use a CLI and then hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface for their customer 's to buy gold from their vending machines , especially not when they already have a Windows-based gold vending machine that does its job perfectly well and is backed by a major corporation , as opposed to Linux which is only supported by a few unemployed nerds living in their mother 's basement somewhere .
The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf ( haha ) providing me my OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux just isn't ready for the gold vending machines yet.
It may be ready for the web servers that you nerds use to distribute your TRON fanzines and personal Dungeons and Dragons web-sights across the world wide web, but the average computer user isn't going to spend months learning how to use a CLI and then hours compiling packages so that they can get a workable graphic interface for their customer's to buy gold from their vending machines, especially not when they already have a Windows-based gold vending machine that does its job perfectly well and is backed by a major corporation, as opposed to Linux which is only supported by a few unemployed nerds living in their mother's basement somewhere.
The last thing I want is a level 5 dwarf (haha) providing me my OS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364459</id>
	<title>Fuck off</title>
	<author>Hamilton Publius</author>
	<datestamp>1245267780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gold sucks.  and so do you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gold sucks .
and so do you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gold sucks.
and so do you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28370015</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1245263760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You realise that in most civilized countries around the world, you can't actually buy guns freely??? You know, apart from the one that you fucking occupy??</p><p>How fucking stupid are you people!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You realise that in most civilized countries around the world , you ca n't actually buy guns freely ? ? ?
You know , apart from the one that you fucking occupy ?
? How fucking stupid are you people ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You realise that in most civilized countries around the world, you can't actually buy guns freely???
You know, apart from the one that you fucking occupy?
?How fucking stupid are you people!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364691</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>Xugumad</author>
	<datestamp>1245268680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From my understanding of these things, 30\% isn't out of the ordinary for "limited edition" gold coins (y'know, the ones they make 5,000 of because they don't think there's 6,000 people stupid enough to buy them), or other sources of non-investment gold.</p><p>That means your average fool on the street will probably see it as about what they'd expect to pay...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From my understanding of these things , 30 \ % is n't out of the ordinary for " limited edition " gold coins ( y'know , the ones they make 5,000 of because they do n't think there 's 6,000 people stupid enough to buy them ) , or other sources of non-investment gold.That means your average fool on the street will probably see it as about what they 'd expect to pay.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From my understanding of these things, 30\% isn't out of the ordinary for "limited edition" gold coins (y'know, the ones they make 5,000 of because they don't think there's 6,000 people stupid enough to buy them), or other sources of non-investment gold.That means your average fool on the street will probably see it as about what they'd expect to pay...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364873</id>
	<title>Insurance Scam</title>
	<author>Jellybob</author>
	<datestamp>1245269580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe they're planning to get them all stolen at some point, claim for the gold on insurance, and then sell it anyway.</p><p>It's the only way I can see them making any money on this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they 're planning to get them all stolen at some point , claim for the gold on insurance , and then sell it anyway.It 's the only way I can see them making any money on this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they're planning to get them all stolen at some point, claim for the gold on insurance, and then sell it anyway.It's the only way I can see them making any money on this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28370279</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245267900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The trading price of gold is for gold which has been certified and has never left the vaults of the banks. Gold outside of the vaults would have to be certified (an expensive process). So the premium of 30\% over the traded gold is more like 40-50\% since this is "dirtied" Gold. Check out bullionVault dot com for more info buying physical gold stored in vaults in London, New York and Switzerland.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The trading price of gold is for gold which has been certified and has never left the vaults of the banks .
Gold outside of the vaults would have to be certified ( an expensive process ) .
So the premium of 30 \ % over the traded gold is more like 40-50 \ % since this is " dirtied " Gold .
Check out bullionVault dot com for more info buying physical gold stored in vaults in London , New York and Switzerland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trading price of gold is for gold which has been certified and has never left the vaults of the banks.
Gold outside of the vaults would have to be certified (an expensive process).
So the premium of 30\% over the traded gold is more like 40-50\% since this is "dirtied" Gold.
Check out bullionVault dot com for more info buying physical gold stored in vaults in London, New York and Switzerland.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364649</id>
	<title>Re:Extension of a "scam"?</title>
	<author>Hogwash McFly</author>
	<datestamp>1245268500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heh, just on BBC Breakfast this morning there was a feature about the new craze of 'Gold Parties'.  Along the same lines of Tupperware and Vibrator parties, bored housewives are now having get-togethers to sell their spare gold jewellery.  A company valuer weighs the gold and gives the party attendee 70\% of the current price, with the party host receiving a nifty ten percent of total money taken.  So if the same companies that are setting up gold parties are then selling off the gold in bars from vending machines, they're making a nice little margin and both ends of the transaction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh , just on BBC Breakfast this morning there was a feature about the new craze of 'Gold Parties' .
Along the same lines of Tupperware and Vibrator parties , bored housewives are now having get-togethers to sell their spare gold jewellery .
A company valuer weighs the gold and gives the party attendee 70 \ % of the current price , with the party host receiving a nifty ten percent of total money taken .
So if the same companies that are setting up gold parties are then selling off the gold in bars from vending machines , they 're making a nice little margin and both ends of the transaction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh, just on BBC Breakfast this morning there was a feature about the new craze of 'Gold Parties'.
Along the same lines of Tupperware and Vibrator parties, bored housewives are now having get-togethers to sell their spare gold jewellery.
A company valuer weighs the gold and gives the party attendee 70\% of the current price, with the party host receiving a nifty ten percent of total money taken.
So if the same companies that are setting up gold parties are then selling off the gold in bars from vending machines, they're making a nice little margin and both ends of the transaction.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364813</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is the currency of the future</title>
	<author>whiledo</author>
	<datestamp>1245269340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cash is going away because it's terribly inconvenient compared to electronic methods.  So now you're this theoretical criminal who deals in gold.  How you going to use that gold for anything other than paying another criminal, since nobody else is going to want to take your inconvenient gold, except maybe if they charge you a ridiculous surcharge.  Sure, they'll be some places that pop up and advertise heavily that you can pay with gold, no problem, no extra charge.  But guess where the first place is that the cops will put under surveillance so they can tell who uses a lot of gold?</p><p>All this is pretty silly anyway, though.  As cash dies, what will replace it are anonymous cash cards.  They already have them in plenty of other countries.  If/when cash is phased out here, they'll have to exist and not specifically for criminals.  You think most people are going to want to run their credit card down at the porn store?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cash is going away because it 's terribly inconvenient compared to electronic methods .
So now you 're this theoretical criminal who deals in gold .
How you going to use that gold for anything other than paying another criminal , since nobody else is going to want to take your inconvenient gold , except maybe if they charge you a ridiculous surcharge .
Sure , they 'll be some places that pop up and advertise heavily that you can pay with gold , no problem , no extra charge .
But guess where the first place is that the cops will put under surveillance so they can tell who uses a lot of gold ? All this is pretty silly anyway , though .
As cash dies , what will replace it are anonymous cash cards .
They already have them in plenty of other countries .
If/when cash is phased out here , they 'll have to exist and not specifically for criminals .
You think most people are going to want to run their credit card down at the porn store ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cash is going away because it's terribly inconvenient compared to electronic methods.
So now you're this theoretical criminal who deals in gold.
How you going to use that gold for anything other than paying another criminal, since nobody else is going to want to take your inconvenient gold, except maybe if they charge you a ridiculous surcharge.
Sure, they'll be some places that pop up and advertise heavily that you can pay with gold, no problem, no extra charge.
But guess where the first place is that the cops will put under surveillance so they can tell who uses a lot of gold?All this is pretty silly anyway, though.
As cash dies, what will replace it are anonymous cash cards.
They already have them in plenty of other countries.
If/when cash is phased out here, they'll have to exist and not specifically for criminals.
You think most people are going to want to run their credit card down at the porn store?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368427</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>wasabu</author>
	<datestamp>1245247680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're surprised that retailers have a profit margin over the manufacturers price?  I think you're just bewildered that people might even want to own gold.  You have a lot to learn my son<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;]

In actuality, the paper money you trust is 'marked-up' constantly and behind your back.  The value of the US dollar has lost more than 90\% of it's value in the last 100 years.  How?...

It's called monetary inflation, the greatest secret tax ever conceived.  Government deliberately prints more money than the GDP justifies and waters down that paper in your pocket and in the bank.  You think 5\% depositor's interest is making you money?  Think again. See the *real* inflation at <a href="http://www.shadowstats.com/" title="shadowstats.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.shadowstats.com/</a> [shadowstats.com] and see that you are earning *negative* interest.  ie.  You are being robbed.

Gold maintains it's purchasing power for a number of reasons, paper money does not.

Learn about gold, and how invariably ALL paper money becomes an elite tool to steal from the middle class, over a long period of time.  We are very close to the inevitable collapse now.   If you don't think it's inevitable, read history.  All paper money collapses, it's just a matter of time.  You think it's different this time?  How?  Has greed and corruption been bred out of the human race?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're surprised that retailers have a profit margin over the manufacturers price ?
I think you 're just bewildered that people might even want to own gold .
You have a lot to learn my son ; ] In actuality , the paper money you trust is 'marked-up ' constantly and behind your back .
The value of the US dollar has lost more than 90 \ % of it 's value in the last 100 years .
How ? .. . It 's called monetary inflation , the greatest secret tax ever conceived .
Government deliberately prints more money than the GDP justifies and waters down that paper in your pocket and in the bank .
You think 5 \ % depositor 's interest is making you money ?
Think again .
See the * real * inflation at http : //www.shadowstats.com/ [ shadowstats.com ] and see that you are earning * negative * interest .
ie. You are being robbed .
Gold maintains it 's purchasing power for a number of reasons , paper money does not .
Learn about gold , and how invariably ALL paper money becomes an elite tool to steal from the middle class , over a long period of time .
We are very close to the inevitable collapse now .
If you do n't think it 's inevitable , read history .
All paper money collapses , it 's just a matter of time .
You think it 's different this time ?
How ? Has greed and corruption been bred out of the human race ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're surprised that retailers have a profit margin over the manufacturers price?
I think you're just bewildered that people might even want to own gold.
You have a lot to learn my son ;]

In actuality, the paper money you trust is 'marked-up' constantly and behind your back.
The value of the US dollar has lost more than 90\% of it's value in the last 100 years.
How?...

It's called monetary inflation, the greatest secret tax ever conceived.
Government deliberately prints more money than the GDP justifies and waters down that paper in your pocket and in the bank.
You think 5\% depositor's interest is making you money?
Think again.
See the *real* inflation at http://www.shadowstats.com/ [shadowstats.com] and see that you are earning *negative* interest.
ie.  You are being robbed.
Gold maintains it's purchasing power for a number of reasons, paper money does not.
Learn about gold, and how invariably ALL paper money becomes an elite tool to steal from the middle class, over a long period of time.
We are very close to the inevitable collapse now.
If you don't think it's inevitable, read history.
All paper money collapses, it's just a matter of time.
You think it's different this time?
How?  Has greed and corruption been bred out of the human race?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364461</id>
	<title>Im sorry</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245267780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext> but I can't see the point to this. Granted I don't have the problem of needing to have gold bars available but I still can't see why somebody would do this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>but I ca n't see the point to this .
Granted I do n't have the problem of needing to have gold bars available but I still ca n't see why somebody would do this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> but I can't see the point to this.
Granted I don't have the problem of needing to have gold bars available but I still can't see why somebody would do this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367543</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>FourthAge</author>
	<datestamp>1245240120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One gram of <i>this</i> gold is actually worth <i>less</i> than the market price for one gram. When you take your gold bars out of a professional gold vault, <a href="http://gold.bullionvault.com/How/ReadyToBuyGold#section-ReadyToBuyGold-RetainHighBullionIntegrityInAProfessionalVault" title="bullionvault.com">they cease to be "Good Delivery"</a> [bullionvault.com], which means they <i>lose value to other traders</i> since their purity is not guaranteed to the same standard.</p><p>Real gold traders always keep their gold in a vault, or move it between vaults. This is extremely expensive - but gold bars <i>are</i> expensive - $400k each! So it's not just a 30\% markup - it's even worse than that. <i>Confidence trick</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One gram of this gold is actually worth less than the market price for one gram .
When you take your gold bars out of a professional gold vault , they cease to be " Good Delivery " [ bullionvault.com ] , which means they lose value to other traders since their purity is not guaranteed to the same standard.Real gold traders always keep their gold in a vault , or move it between vaults .
This is extremely expensive - but gold bars are expensive - $ 400k each !
So it 's not just a 30 \ % markup - it 's even worse than that .
Confidence trick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One gram of this gold is actually worth less than the market price for one gram.
When you take your gold bars out of a professional gold vault, they cease to be "Good Delivery" [bullionvault.com], which means they lose value to other traders since their purity is not guaranteed to the same standard.Real gold traders always keep their gold in a vault, or move it between vaults.
This is extremely expensive - but gold bars are expensive - $400k each!
So it's not just a 30\% markup - it's even worse than that.
Confidence trick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365029</id>
	<title>What if it eats your money?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245270180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if it eats your money?  PITA to have to get your 250 euros back out of the machine,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if it eats your money ?
PITA to have to get your 250 euros back out of the machine,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if it eats your money?
PITA to have to get your 250 euros back out of the machine,</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28374629</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1245342420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> So also get a few regular bows, and learn how to make them from wood. And which wood. (Yew is likely not to be available, so learn what's available in your area.)</p></div><p>Longbows are relatively easy to make, as are crossbows if you have a few more tools.  If you live in Britain, it helps to be aware that most church yards contains a yew tree for this exact purpose; yew is poisonous to sheep, and the church yard is the one place where you are not allowed to graze your sheep.  Since they haven't been cut for a long time, a typical church yard has enough branches to make few dozen bows without damaging the tree much.  </p><p>
By the way, shot is also easy to make, and so is gunpowder if you live near a peat bog.  It is possible to build a serviceable barrel out of wood wrapped in twine, but I'd give it to someone else to fire - you don't want to be near it when it fails...</p></div>
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<tokenext>So also get a few regular bows , and learn how to make them from wood .
And which wood .
( Yew is likely not to be available , so learn what 's available in your area .
) Longbows are relatively easy to make , as are crossbows if you have a few more tools .
If you live in Britain , it helps to be aware that most church yards contains a yew tree for this exact purpose ; yew is poisonous to sheep , and the church yard is the one place where you are not allowed to graze your sheep .
Since they have n't been cut for a long time , a typical church yard has enough branches to make few dozen bows without damaging the tree much .
By the way , shot is also easy to make , and so is gunpowder if you live near a peat bog .
It is possible to build a serviceable barrel out of wood wrapped in twine , but I 'd give it to someone else to fire - you do n't want to be near it when it fails.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> So also get a few regular bows, and learn how to make them from wood.
And which wood.
(Yew is likely not to be available, so learn what's available in your area.
)Longbows are relatively easy to make, as are crossbows if you have a few more tools.
If you live in Britain, it helps to be aware that most church yards contains a yew tree for this exact purpose; yew is poisonous to sheep, and the church yard is the one place where you are not allowed to graze your sheep.
Since they haven't been cut for a long time, a typical church yard has enough branches to make few dozen bows without damaging the tree much.
By the way, shot is also easy to make, and so is gunpowder if you live near a peat bog.
It is possible to build a serviceable barrel out of wood wrapped in twine, but I'd give it to someone else to fire - you don't want to be near it when it fails...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366383</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245233640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my experience, ammo stores quite nicely. Keep it dry, preferably in an airtight container, and it should last longer than you. People around here routinely shoot ammo produced around WWII with no problems at all. Current ammo shortage notwithstanding, I could buy a few hundred rounds every day without anyone raising an eyebrow - where is this that weekly ammo purchases are somehow out of the ordinary?</p><p>And, definitely add dentistry next to medicine as a good educational investment. I'd go without a lot of things to get that kind of pain to stop.... or is that where the whiskey comes in?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my experience , ammo stores quite nicely .
Keep it dry , preferably in an airtight container , and it should last longer than you .
People around here routinely shoot ammo produced around WWII with no problems at all .
Current ammo shortage notwithstanding , I could buy a few hundred rounds every day without anyone raising an eyebrow - where is this that weekly ammo purchases are somehow out of the ordinary ? And , definitely add dentistry next to medicine as a good educational investment .
I 'd go without a lot of things to get that kind of pain to stop.... or is that where the whiskey comes in ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my experience, ammo stores quite nicely.
Keep it dry, preferably in an airtight container, and it should last longer than you.
People around here routinely shoot ammo produced around WWII with no problems at all.
Current ammo shortage notwithstanding, I could buy a few hundred rounds every day without anyone raising an eyebrow - where is this that weekly ammo purchases are somehow out of the ordinary?And, definitely add dentistry next to medicine as a good educational investment.
I'd go without a lot of things to get that kind of pain to stop.... or is that where the whiskey comes in?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368437</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is a lot easier to smuggle through customs</title>
	<author>lawpoop</author>
	<datestamp>1245247800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't countries have limits on how much gold you can import into them, too? I remember seeing something on a US customs form about "Do you have more than $10,000 in cash, jewelry, gold, or other 'currency instruments'..."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't countries have limits on how much gold you can import into them , too ?
I remember seeing something on a US customs form about " Do you have more than $ 10,000 in cash , jewelry , gold , or other 'currency instruments'... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't countries have limits on how much gold you can import into them, too?
I remember seeing something on a US customs form about "Do you have more than $10,000 in cash, jewelry, gold, or other 'currency instruments'..."</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364721</id>
	<title>Gold is a lot easier to smuggle through customs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245268800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366415</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>AxemRed</author>
	<datestamp>1245233820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>1. Why as an investor would I pay a 30\% premium to purchase physical gold?</i> <br>
I have no idea. I could understand if they were charging a transaction fee that's 30\% higher than the norm. But if they are really charging 30\% more for the gold, that makes little sense.
<br> <br>
<i>3. I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold? How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz? What if I drilled and filled it?</i> <br>
Um... weigh it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Why as an investor would I pay a 30 \ % premium to purchase physical gold ?
I have no idea .
I could understand if they were charging a transaction fee that 's 30 \ % higher than the norm .
But if they are really charging 30 \ % more for the gold , that makes little sense .
3. I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I 've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I have n't tampered with the gold ?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz ?
What if I drilled and filled it ?
Um... weigh it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Why as an investor would I pay a 30\% premium to purchase physical gold?
I have no idea.
I could understand if they were charging a transaction fee that's 30\% higher than the norm.
But if they are really charging 30\% more for the gold, that makes little sense.
3. I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz?
What if I drilled and filled it?
Um... weigh it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28369449</id>
	<title>Re:Stuck Machine</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1245258060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's no problem, just rock and tilt the machine until your bar drops down into the dispensing area; those stickers on the side that tell you not to do that were put there by greedy vending machine owners who want to cheat you out your candy er...gold bar. DISCLAIMER: This is sarcasm in case any of the eraser heads out there are actually inspired to go out and try it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's no problem , just rock and tilt the machine until your bar drops down into the dispensing area ; those stickers on the side that tell you not to do that were put there by greedy vending machine owners who want to cheat you out your candy er...gold bar .
DISCLAIMER : This is sarcasm in case any of the eraser heads out there are actually inspired to go out and try it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's no problem, just rock and tilt the machine until your bar drops down into the dispensing area; those stickers on the side that tell you not to do that were put there by greedy vending machine owners who want to cheat you out your candy er...gold bar.
DISCLAIMER: This is sarcasm in case any of the eraser heads out there are actually inspired to go out and try it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366851</id>
	<title>Re:Sell signal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245235980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are SO right.  Sell your gold NOW, and buy STOCK w/ that money!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are SO right .
Sell your gold NOW , and buy STOCK w/ that money !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are SO right.
Sell your gold NOW, and buy STOCK w/ that money!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364501</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367725</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>vikstar</author>
	<datestamp>1245241560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>2. Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it.</p></div><p>That's easy, just keep it in the gold-smith's vault, and let him give you a receipt for it. If enough people do this, then they won't even need to go back to the vault to retrieve their gold to pay for goods and services, and they can just trade with the receipts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>2 .
Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it.That 's easy , just keep it in the gold-smith 's vault , and let him give you a receipt for it .
If enough people do this , then they wo n't even need to go back to the vault to retrieve their gold to pay for goods and services , and they can just trade with the receipts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2.
Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it.That's easy, just keep it in the gold-smith's vault, and let him give you a receipt for it.
If enough people do this, then they won't even need to go back to the vault to retrieve their gold to pay for goods and services, and they can just trade with the receipts.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365791</id>
	<title>Wait...</title>
	<author>JRIsidore</author>
	<datestamp>1245230700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll wait till they have vending machines with gold pressed latinum.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll wait till they have vending machines with gold pressed latinum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll wait till they have vending machines with gold pressed latinum.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366025</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Facegarden</author>
	<datestamp>1245232020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Whiskey is another good investment if you have such expectations.  Good whiskey is difficult to make, in high demand, keeps well, and takes a very long time to make if you have only primitive equipment.  (Consider the problem of seals in the still, and making pipes that don't leak lead.)</p><p>You'd probably want to make sure that it was securely packaged, and that the caps of the bottles were upright and not exposed to moisture.  Doing such in the current environment is easy.  After a collapse, much more difficult.  And you can buy an extra liter of whiskey a week without anyone raising an eyebrow.  (Try doing that with guns and ammo.  And ammo doesn't store as well.)</p><p>Another good investment would be a medical degree.  That one's more time consuming, but after a collapse doctors, those who know more than what drugs to prescribe anyway, will be extremely valuable.  Nurses too.</p><p>Or you could apprentice yourself to a blacksmith.  That would be a really valuable skill.  But you'd better learn how to handle and recognize scrap metal.</p><p>Horse handling probably won't be worth bothering with in most areas for a few generations.  Most of the horses will be eaten.  Archery would be worthwhile, but learn to fletch your arrows at the same time.  I doubt that you could learn to handle a longbow well, but it would be a good idea to learn how to teach the use of it.  (Supposedly one needs to grow up with a longbow to learn it's proper use.)  Having a few compound bows would be a good substitute, but you won't be able to replace them.  So also get a few regular bows, and learn how to make them from wood.  And which wood.  (Yew is likely not to be available, so learn what's available in your area.)</p><p>Guns are a strictly short term answer.  (So is whiskey.)  Both only buy you time to establish yourself in a community...and you'll NEED a community.  Self defense by an individual is a recipe for dying out within one generation.</p></div><p>I would think carpentry and farming are two of the most universally needed fields. People need to eat and have shelter, so those are really useful.</p><p>But all this talk of collapse is bullshit anyway.<br>-Taylor</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Whiskey is another good investment if you have such expectations .
Good whiskey is difficult to make , in high demand , keeps well , and takes a very long time to make if you have only primitive equipment .
( Consider the problem of seals in the still , and making pipes that do n't leak lead .
) You 'd probably want to make sure that it was securely packaged , and that the caps of the bottles were upright and not exposed to moisture .
Doing such in the current environment is easy .
After a collapse , much more difficult .
And you can buy an extra liter of whiskey a week without anyone raising an eyebrow .
( Try doing that with guns and ammo .
And ammo does n't store as well .
) Another good investment would be a medical degree .
That one 's more time consuming , but after a collapse doctors , those who know more than what drugs to prescribe anyway , will be extremely valuable .
Nurses too.Or you could apprentice yourself to a blacksmith .
That would be a really valuable skill .
But you 'd better learn how to handle and recognize scrap metal.Horse handling probably wo n't be worth bothering with in most areas for a few generations .
Most of the horses will be eaten .
Archery would be worthwhile , but learn to fletch your arrows at the same time .
I doubt that you could learn to handle a longbow well , but it would be a good idea to learn how to teach the use of it .
( Supposedly one needs to grow up with a longbow to learn it 's proper use .
) Having a few compound bows would be a good substitute , but you wo n't be able to replace them .
So also get a few regular bows , and learn how to make them from wood .
And which wood .
( Yew is likely not to be available , so learn what 's available in your area .
) Guns are a strictly short term answer .
( So is whiskey .
) Both only buy you time to establish yourself in a community...and you 'll NEED a community .
Self defense by an individual is a recipe for dying out within one generation.I would think carpentry and farming are two of the most universally needed fields .
People need to eat and have shelter , so those are really useful.But all this talk of collapse is bullshit anyway.-Taylor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whiskey is another good investment if you have such expectations.
Good whiskey is difficult to make, in high demand, keeps well, and takes a very long time to make if you have only primitive equipment.
(Consider the problem of seals in the still, and making pipes that don't leak lead.
)You'd probably want to make sure that it was securely packaged, and that the caps of the bottles were upright and not exposed to moisture.
Doing such in the current environment is easy.
After a collapse, much more difficult.
And you can buy an extra liter of whiskey a week without anyone raising an eyebrow.
(Try doing that with guns and ammo.
And ammo doesn't store as well.
)Another good investment would be a medical degree.
That one's more time consuming, but after a collapse doctors, those who know more than what drugs to prescribe anyway, will be extremely valuable.
Nurses too.Or you could apprentice yourself to a blacksmith.
That would be a really valuable skill.
But you'd better learn how to handle and recognize scrap metal.Horse handling probably won't be worth bothering with in most areas for a few generations.
Most of the horses will be eaten.
Archery would be worthwhile, but learn to fletch your arrows at the same time.
I doubt that you could learn to handle a longbow well, but it would be a good idea to learn how to teach the use of it.
(Supposedly one needs to grow up with a longbow to learn it's proper use.
)  Having a few compound bows would be a good substitute, but you won't be able to replace them.
So also get a few regular bows, and learn how to make them from wood.
And which wood.
(Yew is likely not to be available, so learn what's available in your area.
)Guns are a strictly short term answer.
(So is whiskey.
)  Both only buy you time to establish yourself in a community...and you'll NEED a community.
Self defense by an individual is a recipe for dying out within one generation.I would think carpentry and farming are two of the most universally needed fields.
People need to eat and have shelter, so those are really useful.But all this talk of collapse is bullshit anyway.-Taylor
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365987</id>
	<title>Re:why?</title>
	<author>h4rm0ny</author>
	<datestamp>1245231900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><br>
Good and plausible logic, but not necessarily the case here. With a 30\% mark-up, they can use the money from selling the gold to buy more gold. If they wished, then the more gold they sold, the more they'd end up with (subject to not hitting the finite limits of the world's gold reserves). And more than this, the value of their gold might have gone up because it's in demand (subject to them increasing the selling price of their own gold over time to maintain parity).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good and plausible logic , but not necessarily the case here .
With a 30 \ % mark-up , they can use the money from selling the gold to buy more gold .
If they wished , then the more gold they sold , the more they 'd end up with ( subject to not hitting the finite limits of the world 's gold reserves ) .
And more than this , the value of their gold might have gone up because it 's in demand ( subject to them increasing the selling price of their own gold over time to maintain parity ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Good and plausible logic, but not necessarily the case here.
With a 30\% mark-up, they can use the money from selling the gold to buy more gold.
If they wished, then the more gold they sold, the more they'd end up with (subject to not hitting the finite limits of the world's gold reserves).
And more than this, the value of their gold might have gone up because it's in demand (subject to them increasing the selling price of their own gold over time to maintain parity).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364855</id>
	<title>Re:30 Percent!</title>
	<author>TinFoilMan</author>
	<datestamp>1245269520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If gold is selling for $1K per ounce, a 30 percent increase is $300!!</p></div><p>
We be in the wrong business!
<br> <br>
Maybe Gold foil hats would be better.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If gold is selling for $ 1K per ounce , a 30 percent increase is $ 300 ! !
We be in the wrong business !
Maybe Gold foil hats would be better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If gold is selling for $1K per ounce, a 30 percent increase is $300!!
We be in the wrong business!
Maybe Gold foil hats would be better.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364515</id>
	<title>Different</title>
	<author>gubers33</author>
	<datestamp>1245267960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is extremely different. But someone must see a business opportunity in this niche market. Personally, I'm not the kind of guy who has the sudden urge to buy gold at the train station or airport especially at 30\% over the going rate maybe some people are I guess. I'm also not the kind of guy who spends in the thousands for a burger or ice creams with gold foil shavings on it, but there are restaurants out there who do this and they are in business because some people just love gold. I wish them luck, but I'm not sure how far they can go with this idea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is extremely different .
But someone must see a business opportunity in this niche market .
Personally , I 'm not the kind of guy who has the sudden urge to buy gold at the train station or airport especially at 30 \ % over the going rate maybe some people are I guess .
I 'm also not the kind of guy who spends in the thousands for a burger or ice creams with gold foil shavings on it , but there are restaurants out there who do this and they are in business because some people just love gold .
I wish them luck , but I 'm not sure how far they can go with this idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is extremely different.
But someone must see a business opportunity in this niche market.
Personally, I'm not the kind of guy who has the sudden urge to buy gold at the train station or airport especially at 30\% over the going rate maybe some people are I guess.
I'm also not the kind of guy who spends in the thousands for a burger or ice creams with gold foil shavings on it, but there are restaurants out there who do this and they are in business because some people just love gold.
I wish them luck, but I'm not sure how far they can go with this idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364501</id>
	<title>Sell signal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245267900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this isn't a "sell" signal, I don't know what is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this is n't a " sell " signal , I do n't know what is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this isn't a "sell" signal, I don't know what is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364841</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>mr\_mischief</author>
	<datestamp>1245269460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think you'll find a candy bar or a soda in a vending machine is typically 30\% to 60\% higher than supermarket prices. People pay for convenience.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think you 'll find a candy bar or a soda in a vending machine is typically 30 \ % to 60 \ % higher than supermarket prices .
People pay for convenience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think you'll find a candy bar or a soda in a vending machine is typically 30\% to 60\% higher than supermarket prices.
People pay for convenience.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368453</id>
	<title>Eats your money</title>
	<author>langelgjm</author>
	<datestamp>1245248040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I also can't decide if it'd be worse to have the machine eat your $100,000, or return it to you in quarters.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I also ca n't decide if it 'd be worse to have the machine eat your $ 100,000 , or return it to you in quarters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also can't decide if it'd be worse to have the machine eat your $100,000, or return it to you in quarters.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365515</id>
	<title>Re:Sell signal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245229320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If this isn't a "sell" signal, I don't know what is.</i></p><p>If you happen to be a investor on the stock market, you can buy ProShares UltraShort Gold (ETF) on ticker <a href="http://www.google.com/finance?q=gll" title="google.com">GLL</a> [google.com] which is a leveraged short fund on gold. I've been thinking on putting something in it but Gold has been dropping due to the unexpected dollar strength so its a bit high right now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this is n't a " sell " signal , I do n't know what is.If you happen to be a investor on the stock market , you can buy ProShares UltraShort Gold ( ETF ) on ticker GLL [ google.com ] which is a leveraged short fund on gold .
I 've been thinking on putting something in it but Gold has been dropping due to the unexpected dollar strength so its a bit high right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this isn't a "sell" signal, I don't know what is.If you happen to be a investor on the stock market, you can buy ProShares UltraShort Gold (ETF) on ticker GLL [google.com] which is a leveraged short fund on gold.
I've been thinking on putting something in it but Gold has been dropping due to the unexpected dollar strength so its a bit high right now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28369303</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1245256320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'll wait till they have vending machines with gold pressed latinum.</p></div></blockquote><p>

who thought of putting latinum inside bricks of worthless gold.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll wait till they have vending machines with gold pressed latinum .
who thought of putting latinum inside bricks of worthless gold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll wait till they have vending machines with gold pressed latinum.
who thought of putting latinum inside bricks of worthless gold.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365593</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>kryptKnight</author>
	<datestamp>1245229800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> Am I missing something? Is there really such a demand for gold on the street that the convenience of being able to purchase it from a vending machine warrants a 30\% markup?</p></div><p>The type of person who would make a spontaneous commodities investment at a vending machine probably isn't the type of person who's concerned with those kinds of details.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I missing something ?
Is there really such a demand for gold on the street that the convenience of being able to purchase it from a vending machine warrants a 30 \ % markup ? The type of person who would make a spontaneous commodities investment at a vending machine probably is n't the type of person who 's concerned with those kinds of details .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Am I missing something?
Is there really such a demand for gold on the street that the convenience of being able to purchase it from a vending machine warrants a 30\% markup?The type of person who would make a spontaneous commodities investment at a vending machine probably isn't the type of person who's concerned with those kinds of details.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364773</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>langelgjm</author>
	<datestamp>1245269100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>3. I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold? How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz? What if I drilled and filled it?</p></div><p>What are you planning on filling it with? And isn't detecting this sort of thing simply a matter of knowing the purity (and thus density) of what the gold is supposed to be, then measuring the actual density? It's not like you're the first to think up the idea of tampering with gold (remember the story of Archimedes?)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>3 .
I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I 've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I have n't tampered with the gold ?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz ?
What if I drilled and filled it ? What are you planning on filling it with ?
And is n't detecting this sort of thing simply a matter of knowing the purity ( and thus density ) of what the gold is supposed to be , then measuring the actual density ?
It 's not like you 're the first to think up the idea of tampering with gold ( remember the story of Archimedes ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3.
I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz?
What if I drilled and filled it?What are you planning on filling it with?
And isn't detecting this sort of thing simply a matter of knowing the purity (and thus density) of what the gold is supposed to be, then measuring the actual density?
It's not like you're the first to think up the idea of tampering with gold (remember the story of Archimedes?
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367947</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is the currency of the future</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1245243420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Cash is going away because it's terribly inconvenient compared to electronic methods.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... until you're faced with let's say <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3152451.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">a massive power outage</a> [bbc.co.uk] or the entire system to handle said electronic methods fails (has happened several times in Denmark).</p><p>Hell, something as simple as a crashed register will make it impossible to use electronic methods, but won't stop you from using cash.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Cash is going away because it 's terribly inconvenient compared to electronic methods.Yes ... until you 're faced with let 's say a massive power outage [ bbc.co.uk ] or the entire system to handle said electronic methods fails ( has happened several times in Denmark ) .Hell , something as simple as a crashed register will make it impossible to use electronic methods , but wo n't stop you from using cash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cash is going away because it's terribly inconvenient compared to electronic methods.Yes ... until you're faced with let's say a massive power outage [bbc.co.uk] or the entire system to handle said electronic methods fails (has happened several times in Denmark).Hell, something as simple as a crashed register will make it impossible to use electronic methods, but won't stop you from using cash.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365389</id>
	<title>Gold =! not only for total world societal collapse</title>
	<author>Spy Handler</author>
	<datestamp>1245271800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If you truly believe that the world economies are going to collapse why bother to buy gold at all?  You should be buying guns.  Believe me, you'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.</p></div><p>World economy might not collapse but the local German one might. According to TFA, German investors like gold because they have lost everything 2 times in the past (WW1 and 2). <br>
&nbsp; <br>Taking post WW2 period for example, your idea of buying guns wouldn't have been useful because the occupying Allied troops prevented societal anarchy. But whatever investments Germans made in Hitler-era corporations, Reich war bonds and whatnot were probably wiped out.<br>
&nbsp; <br>But the people who hoarded and hid away gold during the war would've come out.... golden.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you truly believe that the world economies are going to collapse why bother to buy gold at all ?
You should be buying guns .
Believe me , you 'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.World economy might not collapse but the local German one might .
According to TFA , German investors like gold because they have lost everything 2 times in the past ( WW1 and 2 ) .
  Taking post WW2 period for example , your idea of buying guns would n't have been useful because the occupying Allied troops prevented societal anarchy .
But whatever investments Germans made in Hitler-era corporations , Reich war bonds and whatnot were probably wiped out .
  But the people who hoarded and hid away gold during the war would 've come out.... golden .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you truly believe that the world economies are going to collapse why bother to buy gold at all?
You should be buying guns.
Believe me, you'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.World economy might not collapse but the local German one might.
According to TFA, German investors like gold because they have lost everything 2 times in the past (WW1 and 2).
  Taking post WW2 period for example, your idea of buying guns wouldn't have been useful because the occupying Allied troops prevented societal anarchy.
But whatever investments Germans made in Hitler-era corporations, Reich war bonds and whatnot were probably wiped out.
  But the people who hoarded and hid away gold during the war would've come out.... golden.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364929</id>
	<title>Re:Extension of a "scam"?</title>
	<author>malkavian</author>
	<datestamp>1245269760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, that sure beats the UK Prime Minister's approach, which is to tell the world several months in advance that he's going to sell of a fair portion of the UK gold reserves..  Then when he's successfully crashed the market price, sells at a ridiculously low price..  Now everybody wants it, so adding to the UK reserves will cost a hefty sum!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that sure beats the UK Prime Minister 's approach , which is to tell the world several months in advance that he 's going to sell of a fair portion of the UK gold reserves.. Then when he 's successfully crashed the market price , sells at a ridiculously low price.. Now everybody wants it , so adding to the UK reserves will cost a hefty sum !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that sure beats the UK Prime Minister's approach, which is to tell the world several months in advance that he's going to sell of a fair portion of the UK gold reserves..  Then when he's successfully crashed the market price, sells at a ridiculously low price..  Now everybody wants it, so adding to the UK reserves will cost a hefty sum!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365375</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Prof.Phreak</author>
	<datestamp>1245271800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Physical gold may allow you to avoid taxes (depending on where you buy it and who you sell to).</p><p>No inheritance tax.</p><p>Can't be taken away in bankruptcies or other such situations (well, nobody needs to know you have it). Not so easy with ETFs.</p><p>Easily sell-able anywhere in the world (just walk into any small jewelry business; might not get "full" market value---but in emergency you never get full value on anything).</p><p>ETFs charge fees (that's why they're in this business---not to make your life easier).</p><p>And the "uh, oh, market is collapsing"; when an emergency happens, you might find there's a large stack of worthless paper contracts with bankrupt intermediaries behind that ETF, and real gold is nowhere in sight. In other words, the point of gold is that it's "physical gold", not some paper contract saying "there is gold behind it".</p><p>Not saying everyone should convert to the gold standard, just saying there are good rationalities for it (there are also fairly bad reasons for it too).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Physical gold may allow you to avoid taxes ( depending on where you buy it and who you sell to ) .No inheritance tax.Ca n't be taken away in bankruptcies or other such situations ( well , nobody needs to know you have it ) .
Not so easy with ETFs.Easily sell-able anywhere in the world ( just walk into any small jewelry business ; might not get " full " market value---but in emergency you never get full value on anything ) .ETFs charge fees ( that 's why they 're in this business---not to make your life easier ) .And the " uh , oh , market is collapsing " ; when an emergency happens , you might find there 's a large stack of worthless paper contracts with bankrupt intermediaries behind that ETF , and real gold is nowhere in sight .
In other words , the point of gold is that it 's " physical gold " , not some paper contract saying " there is gold behind it " .Not saying everyone should convert to the gold standard , just saying there are good rationalities for it ( there are also fairly bad reasons for it too ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Physical gold may allow you to avoid taxes (depending on where you buy it and who you sell to).No inheritance tax.Can't be taken away in bankruptcies or other such situations (well, nobody needs to know you have it).
Not so easy with ETFs.Easily sell-able anywhere in the world (just walk into any small jewelry business; might not get "full" market value---but in emergency you never get full value on anything).ETFs charge fees (that's why they're in this business---not to make your life easier).And the "uh, oh, market is collapsing"; when an emergency happens, you might find there's a large stack of worthless paper contracts with bankrupt intermediaries behind that ETF, and real gold is nowhere in sight.
In other words, the point of gold is that it's "physical gold", not some paper contract saying "there is gold behind it".Not saying everyone should convert to the gold standard, just saying there are good rationalities for it (there are also fairly bad reasons for it too).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365269</id>
	<title>Pffft</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1245271320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pffft. We all know the real money is in mythril. Heck, with gold you barely get armour to protect yourself against a level 2 orc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pffft .
We all know the real money is in mythril .
Heck , with gold you barely get armour to protect yourself against a level 2 orc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pffft.
We all know the real money is in mythril.
Heck, with gold you barely get armour to protect yourself against a level 2 orc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28375637</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Neoprofin</author>
	<datestamp>1245346560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Judging by firearms that I own from the turn of the century (1907), a good firearm purchased right now will last longer than my life will, and there is plenty of WWII and Cold War surplus ammunition still being sold right now. Well maintained and used as much as any single person would need to, a good firearm will still be there to protect your children when they venture into the wild.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Judging by firearms that I own from the turn of the century ( 1907 ) , a good firearm purchased right now will last longer than my life will , and there is plenty of WWII and Cold War surplus ammunition still being sold right now .
Well maintained and used as much as any single person would need to , a good firearm will still be there to protect your children when they venture into the wild .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Judging by firearms that I own from the turn of the century (1907), a good firearm purchased right now will last longer than my life will, and there is plenty of WWII and Cold War surplus ammunition still being sold right now.
Well maintained and used as much as any single person would need to, a good firearm will still be there to protect your children when they venture into the wild.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366551</id>
	<title>30\% markup not that outrageous ...</title>
	<author>triclipse</author>
	<datestamp>1245234420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A 30\% markup is a little high, but not at all outrageous for taking physical possession of gold bullion. For example, the spot price of gold on the NY futures market as I post this is US$939/ounce. However, an American Buffalo one ounce gold coin will sell today on Ebay for $1200 - a 27\% markup.
<p>
There has been a substantial rise in the premium for taking physical possession of gold bullion rather than holding it in a pool or via ETF. Draw your own conclusions as to why<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A 30 \ % markup is a little high , but not at all outrageous for taking physical possession of gold bullion .
For example , the spot price of gold on the NY futures market as I post this is US $ 939/ounce .
However , an American Buffalo one ounce gold coin will sell today on Ebay for $ 1200 - a 27 \ % markup .
There has been a substantial rise in the premium for taking physical possession of gold bullion rather than holding it in a pool or via ETF .
Draw your own conclusions as to why .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 30\% markup is a little high, but not at all outrageous for taking physical possession of gold bullion.
For example, the spot price of gold on the NY futures market as I post this is US$939/ounce.
However, an American Buffalo one ounce gold coin will sell today on Ebay for $1200 - a 27\% markup.
There has been a substantial rise in the premium for taking physical possession of gold bullion rather than holding it in a pool or via ETF.
Draw your own conclusions as to why ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367399</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is the currency of the future</title>
	<author>Brandybuck</author>
	<datestamp>1245239220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember all the Great Crash of 1987? Remember how it was going to be the end of civilization? Remember how gold was skyrocketing?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...remember how gold crashed and took twenty years to come back?</p><p>The hard cold reality is that gold is not money, it's just another commodity. The bubble in gold came about because of inflation, which both funded the gold investments with easy credit, but also the overhype due to worries about eroding value. Add the hysteria about a collapsing monetary system, and gold became absurdly overvalued. We're seeing it again today.</p><p>If you want an inflation hedge, and are squeamish about land, then buy platinum. Same qualities as gold but without the hype. Or buy collectible coins. They'll keep their value better but less likely to be confiscated by the next FDR.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember all the Great Crash of 1987 ?
Remember how it was going to be the end of civilization ?
Remember how gold was skyrocketing ?
...remember how gold crashed and took twenty years to come back ? The hard cold reality is that gold is not money , it 's just another commodity .
The bubble in gold came about because of inflation , which both funded the gold investments with easy credit , but also the overhype due to worries about eroding value .
Add the hysteria about a collapsing monetary system , and gold became absurdly overvalued .
We 're seeing it again today.If you want an inflation hedge , and are squeamish about land , then buy platinum .
Same qualities as gold but without the hype .
Or buy collectible coins .
They 'll keep their value better but less likely to be confiscated by the next FDR .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember all the Great Crash of 1987?
Remember how it was going to be the end of civilization?
Remember how gold was skyrocketing?
...remember how gold crashed and took twenty years to come back?The hard cold reality is that gold is not money, it's just another commodity.
The bubble in gold came about because of inflation, which both funded the gold investments with easy credit, but also the overhype due to worries about eroding value.
Add the hysteria about a collapsing monetary system, and gold became absurdly overvalued.
We're seeing it again today.If you want an inflation hedge, and are squeamish about land, then buy platinum.
Same qualities as gold but without the hype.
Or buy collectible coins.
They'll keep their value better but less likely to be confiscated by the next FDR.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367101</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245237120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Screw that. I'm going to learn to make at least black powder, since I produce a key ingredient.</p><p>I'll see your crappy bow and raise you a Sharps rifle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Screw that .
I 'm going to learn to make at least black powder , since I produce a key ingredient.I 'll see your crappy bow and raise you a Sharps rifle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Screw that.
I'm going to learn to make at least black powder, since I produce a key ingredient.I'll see your crappy bow and raise you a Sharps rifle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365001</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245270060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, wouldn't it be more convenient for them to simply throw the 30\% mark-up into the trash on their way through the station. Accomplishes about the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , would n't it be more convenient for them to simply throw the 30 \ % mark-up into the trash on their way through the station .
Accomplishes about the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, wouldn't it be more convenient for them to simply throw the 30\% mark-up into the trash on their way through the station.
Accomplishes about the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365979</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245231840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a total breakdown I prefer to not have any goods that too many people want desperatly. Like those 20 people at your front door could just decide to slaughter you and take your ammunition for free. Maybe you can shoot a few of them but that doesn't make up for yourself being dead.</p><p>A useful skill or trade is definetly better. Easier to hide, easier to move, easier to keep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a total breakdown I prefer to not have any goods that too many people want desperatly .
Like those 20 people at your front door could just decide to slaughter you and take your ammunition for free .
Maybe you can shoot a few of them but that does n't make up for yourself being dead.A useful skill or trade is definetly better .
Easier to hide , easier to move , easier to keep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a total breakdown I prefer to not have any goods that too many people want desperatly.
Like those 20 people at your front door could just decide to slaughter you and take your ammunition for free.
Maybe you can shoot a few of them but that doesn't make up for yourself being dead.A useful skill or trade is definetly better.
Easier to hide, easier to move, easier to keep.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367477</id>
	<title>/. gold sentiment flashes buy signal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245239580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The bearish sentiment in a lot of the comments on this article give me great confidence that gold (and hard assets in general) still have a long way to run. I'll be selling at huge profits by the time the average<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.er figures it out, which is probably a little ahead of the general population.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The bearish sentiment in a lot of the comments on this article give me great confidence that gold ( and hard assets in general ) still have a long way to run .
I 'll be selling at huge profits by the time the average /.er figures it out , which is probably a little ahead of the general population .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bearish sentiment in a lot of the comments on this article give me great confidence that gold (and hard assets in general) still have a long way to run.
I'll be selling at huge profits by the time the average /.er figures it out, which is probably a little ahead of the general population.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368583</id>
	<title>Re:Been done before</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245249240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>here in singapore the banks have "gold desks" (down in the basement, at least in my bank) where you can buy gold at a moderate markup over spot. it's available as most of the standard coins (maple leafs, koalas, the local "lion", etc.), in ounce and smaller, or in a variety of bar sizes from gram to kilogram. <a href="https://uniservices1.uobgroup.com/secure/online\_rates/gold\_and\_silver\_prices.jsp" title="uobgroup.com" rel="nofollow">here's their live price feed</a> [uobgroup.com] (note that prices are in SGD).</htmltext>
<tokenext>here in singapore the banks have " gold desks " ( down in the basement , at least in my bank ) where you can buy gold at a moderate markup over spot .
it 's available as most of the standard coins ( maple leafs , koalas , the local " lion " , etc .
) , in ounce and smaller , or in a variety of bar sizes from gram to kilogram .
here 's their live price feed [ uobgroup.com ] ( note that prices are in SGD ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>here in singapore the banks have "gold desks" (down in the basement, at least in my bank) where you can buy gold at a moderate markup over spot.
it's available as most of the standard coins (maple leafs, koalas, the local "lion", etc.
), in ounce and smaller, or in a variety of bar sizes from gram to kilogram.
here's their live price feed [uobgroup.com] (note that prices are in SGD).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364839</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367339</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is a lot easier to smuggle through customs</title>
	<author>Late Adopter</author>
	<datestamp>1245238740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You would have to declare it as an imported good, though, and pay import duties.  In the US you pay no duties on currency, you only have to declare it for amounts above $10,000 (then the IRS looks at you more closely).
<br> <br>
Sounds like a foolish proposition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You would have to declare it as an imported good , though , and pay import duties .
In the US you pay no duties on currency , you only have to declare it for amounts above $ 10,000 ( then the IRS looks at you more closely ) .
Sounds like a foolish proposition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would have to declare it as an imported good, though, and pay import duties.
In the US you pay no duties on currency, you only have to declare it for amounts above $10,000 (then the IRS looks at you more closely).
Sounds like a foolish proposition.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365787</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368047</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting idea but</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245244140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All vending machine are a rip off.<br>Cokes have a 400\% plus mark up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All vending machine are a rip off.Cokes have a 400 \ % plus mark up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All vending machine are a rip off.Cokes have a 400\% plus mark up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365603</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28371377</id>
	<title>US Gold coins</title>
	<author>bryan1945</author>
	<datestamp>1245321420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do US gold coins stand in the gold market?  If you buy it directly from the gov, you get the coin and a box and certificate.  If you keep that intact does that protect the investment into the coin?</p><p>I am wondering about this because have gold securities is nice until the communication systems go down, so a little on-hand product would be nice.</p><p>Same question about silver coins.</p><p>Yeah, I'm a little paranoid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do US gold coins stand in the gold market ?
If you buy it directly from the gov , you get the coin and a box and certificate .
If you keep that intact does that protect the investment into the coin ? I am wondering about this because have gold securities is nice until the communication systems go down , so a little on-hand product would be nice.Same question about silver coins.Yeah , I 'm a little paranoid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do US gold coins stand in the gold market?
If you buy it directly from the gov, you get the coin and a box and certificate.
If you keep that intact does that protect the investment into the coin?I am wondering about this because have gold securities is nice until the communication systems go down, so a little on-hand product would be nice.Same question about silver coins.Yeah, I'm a little paranoid.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368033</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is a lot easier to smuggle through customs</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245244080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And then do what? walk through customs with a lot of gold and then get questioned?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And then do what ?
walk through customs with a lot of gold and then get questioned ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And then do what?
walk through customs with a lot of gold and then get questioned?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364721</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365803</id>
	<title>Great!</title>
	<author>lumpenprole</author>
	<datestamp>1245230700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now if I could just find an XP vending machine, I 'd be all set.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if I could just find an XP vending machine , I 'd be all set .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if I could just find an XP vending machine, I 'd be all set.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365323</id>
	<title>Gold .. and internet in Africa</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245271560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How funny! I wondered where Germany got all of that gold from!<br>They must have downloaded it over the internet from Africa!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How funny !
I wondered where Germany got all of that gold from ! They must have downloaded it over the internet from Africa !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How funny!
I wondered where Germany got all of that gold from!They must have downloaded it over the internet from Africa!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28375321</id>
	<title>Re:Stuck Machine</title>
	<author>ginbot462</author>
	<datestamp>1245345300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yea, but when I come upon the machine next, I'll get 2. And I didn't even want gold, makes me put on too much weight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yea , but when I come upon the machine next , I 'll get 2 .
And I did n't even want gold , makes me put on too much weight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yea, but when I come upon the machine next, I'll get 2.
And I didn't even want gold, makes me put on too much weight.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364845</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366449</id>
	<title>Re:Why ...</title>
	<author>realnrh</author>
	<datestamp>1245233940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's the same marketing department that decided to sell used panties from vending machines in Japan. Which, when you think about it, may be an insight into a couple of national psyches...</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the same marketing department that decided to sell used panties from vending machines in Japan .
Which , when you think about it , may be an insight into a couple of national psyches.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the same marketing department that decided to sell used panties from vending machines in Japan.
Which, when you think about it, may be an insight into a couple of national psyches...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364811</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367929</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245243300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and the gold bubble in the 80's</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and the gold bubble in the 80 's</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the gold bubble in the 80's</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364661</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28380161</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>GWBasic</author>
	<datestamp>1245317640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What possibly could justify an individual purchasing gold at a 30\% markup in small quantities?</p></div><p>It's a "stupid tax," like the lottery.  The people who pay it are taxed for being stupid.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What possibly could justify an individual purchasing gold at a 30 \ % markup in small quantities ? It 's a " stupid tax , " like the lottery .
The people who pay it are taxed for being stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What possibly could justify an individual purchasing gold at a 30\% markup in small quantities?It's a "stupid tax," like the lottery.
The people who pay it are taxed for being stupid.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364535</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366917</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>WebHikerOriginal</author>
	<datestamp>1245236220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Umm, am I the only one to see the obvious money-laundering possibilities here?
Big brother tracks money, no-one tracks gold...30\% is a steal</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , am I the only one to see the obvious money-laundering possibilities here ?
Big brother tracks money , no-one tracks gold...30 \ % is a steal</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, am I the only one to see the obvious money-laundering possibilities here?
Big brother tracks money, no-one tracks gold...30\% is a steal</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364535</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364457</id>
	<title>30\%?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245267780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>30\%, really?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>30 \ % , really ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>30\%, really?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366623</id>
	<title>Moneychangers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245234780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A ten for 13 ones?</p><p>When you exchange money there usually isn't a premium involved.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A ten for 13 ones ? When you exchange money there usually is n't a premium involved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A ten for 13 ones?When you exchange money there usually isn't a premium involved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364841</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364535</id>
	<title>The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price?</title>
	<author>VinylRecords</author>
	<datestamp>1245268020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I missing something? Is there really such a demand for gold on the street that the convenience of being able to purchase it from a vending machine warrants a 30\% markup? What possibly could justify an individual purchasing gold at a 30\% markup in small quantities?</p><p>I'm not an economist (not that they have really have a good track record lately) but this seems like a ridiculous scam.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"Because of the crisis there is a lot of awareness of gold," he said. "It is also a great gift for children - for them getting gold is like a fairytale."</p></div><p>Somehow I think little Jimmy or Susy would have prefer a Playstation or a bike or something.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I missing something ?
Is there really such a demand for gold on the street that the convenience of being able to purchase it from a vending machine warrants a 30 \ % markup ?
What possibly could justify an individual purchasing gold at a 30 \ % markup in small quantities ? I 'm not an economist ( not that they have really have a good track record lately ) but this seems like a ridiculous scam .
" Because of the crisis there is a lot of awareness of gold , " he said .
" It is also a great gift for children - for them getting gold is like a fairytale .
" Somehow I think little Jimmy or Susy would have prefer a Playstation or a bike or something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I missing something?
Is there really such a demand for gold on the street that the convenience of being able to purchase it from a vending machine warrants a 30\% markup?
What possibly could justify an individual purchasing gold at a 30\% markup in small quantities?I'm not an economist (not that they have really have a good track record lately) but this seems like a ridiculous scam.
"Because of the crisis there is a lot of awareness of gold," he said.
"It is also a great gift for children - for them getting gold is like a fairytale.
"Somehow I think little Jimmy or Susy would have prefer a Playstation or a bike or something.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366981</id>
	<title>Is Slashdot a celebration of ignorance?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245236580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't believe this post got tagged as "insightful". Is Slashdot a celebration of ignorance?</p><p>I could understand it as a good joke!</p><p>The reason why precious metal has been used as a backing for money is that it's hard to get! To mine out only some grams of gold you need to dig out several tons of rock. This is a garantee that gold will always be an expensice and valualbe metal. If the price of gold skyrocket more gold would be mined but at a higher price since less profitalbe mines would be used. In Norway, my country of origin, we had very little gold since we had few/none colonies. Then we used silver to back our currency. But this was less succesfull hence silver is more common.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe this post got tagged as " insightful " .
Is Slashdot a celebration of ignorance ? I could understand it as a good joke ! The reason why precious metal has been used as a backing for money is that it 's hard to get !
To mine out only some grams of gold you need to dig out several tons of rock .
This is a garantee that gold will always be an expensice and valualbe metal .
If the price of gold skyrocket more gold would be mined but at a higher price since less profitalbe mines would be used .
In Norway , my country of origin , we had very little gold since we had few/none colonies .
Then we used silver to back our currency .
But this was less succesfull hence silver is more common .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe this post got tagged as "insightful".
Is Slashdot a celebration of ignorance?I could understand it as a good joke!The reason why precious metal has been used as a backing for money is that it's hard to get!
To mine out only some grams of gold you need to dig out several tons of rock.
This is a garantee that gold will always be an expensice and valualbe metal.
If the price of gold skyrocket more gold would be mined but at a higher price since less profitalbe mines would be used.
In Norway, my country of origin, we had very little gold since we had few/none colonies.
Then we used silver to back our currency.
But this was less succesfull hence silver is more common.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365329</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28371667</id>
	<title>One point you all should know:</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1245325140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you had bought gold, and then ran on a local gold-based economy only, before the "crisis", you would now be able to buy six times more with it, than before. Or in other words: The "crisis" would not even have touched you.</p><p>The rule to avoid them fucking you up is simple: Don't use their money. At all.</p><p>I am in the process of developing an MMO. And the in-game currency will be gold-based. Meaning you can legally exchange it to other "real-world" currencies. And get gold for it.<br>They will not be called "credits", because a credit-based currency/economy is a major crime.<br>Maybe this will help get people started in becoming independent from that system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you had bought gold , and then ran on a local gold-based economy only , before the " crisis " , you would now be able to buy six times more with it , than before .
Or in other words : The " crisis " would not even have touched you.The rule to avoid them fucking you up is simple : Do n't use their money .
At all.I am in the process of developing an MMO .
And the in-game currency will be gold-based .
Meaning you can legally exchange it to other " real-world " currencies .
And get gold for it.They will not be called " credits " , because a credit-based currency/economy is a major crime.Maybe this will help get people started in becoming independent from that system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you had bought gold, and then ran on a local gold-based economy only, before the "crisis", you would now be able to buy six times more with it, than before.
Or in other words: The "crisis" would not even have touched you.The rule to avoid them fucking you up is simple: Don't use their money.
At all.I am in the process of developing an MMO.
And the in-game currency will be gold-based.
Meaning you can legally exchange it to other "real-world" currencies.
And get gold for it.They will not be called "credits", because a credit-based currency/economy is a major crime.Maybe this will help get people started in becoming independent from that system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364899</id>
	<title>Re:LUNIX!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245269700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like your mother fooled around with a member of the Glup clan shortly before you were born and you are just venting some long repressed feelings.  It'd take a bit more than a charm spell to bring you to our side.  Linux is generally the tool of elites, so take your IT to the next level and spend some points on those stats.</p><p>and regardless of what mommie says, dead lizards do not help coughs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like your mother fooled around with a member of the Glup clan shortly before you were born and you are just venting some long repressed feelings .
It 'd take a bit more than a charm spell to bring you to our side .
Linux is generally the tool of elites , so take your IT to the next level and spend some points on those stats.and regardless of what mommie says , dead lizards do not help coughs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like your mother fooled around with a member of the Glup clan shortly before you were born and you are just venting some long repressed feelings.
It'd take a bit more than a charm spell to bring you to our side.
Linux is generally the tool of elites, so take your IT to the next level and spend some points on those stats.and regardless of what mommie says, dead lizards do not help coughs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364431</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366769</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>bar-agent</author>
	<datestamp>1245235500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Good whiskey is difficult to make, in high demand, keeps well, and takes a very long time to make if you have only primitive equipment. (Consider the problem of seals in the still, and making pipes that don't leak lead.)</p></div></blockquote><p>I don't know about the lead, but leave some fish out and that should lure away the seals.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good whiskey is difficult to make , in high demand , keeps well , and takes a very long time to make if you have only primitive equipment .
( Consider the problem of seals in the still , and making pipes that do n't leak lead .
) I do n't know about the lead , but leave some fish out and that should lure away the seals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good whiskey is difficult to make, in high demand, keeps well, and takes a very long time to make if you have only primitive equipment.
(Consider the problem of seals in the still, and making pipes that don't leak lead.
)I don't know about the lead, but leave some fish out and that should lure away the seals.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365329</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365761</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>meringuoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245230520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>3. I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold? How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz? What if I drilled and filled it?</i>

<p>Shit, you're right. Someone could have tampered with the gold - alloyed it with some cheap metal perhaps, taken the rest of the gold for themselves. How can we tell whether the gold is in fact truly gold?

</p><p>I'm going to have to go and think about this. It's time for my bath anyway...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>3 .
I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I 've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I have n't tampered with the gold ?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz ?
What if I drilled and filled it ?
Shit , you 're right .
Someone could have tampered with the gold - alloyed it with some cheap metal perhaps , taken the rest of the gold for themselves .
How can we tell whether the gold is in fact truly gold ?
I 'm going to have to go and think about this .
It 's time for my bath anyway.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3.
I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz?
What if I drilled and filled it?
Shit, you're right.
Someone could have tampered with the gold - alloyed it with some cheap metal perhaps, taken the rest of the gold for themselves.
How can we tell whether the gold is in fact truly gold?
I'm going to have to go and think about this.
It's time for my bath anyway...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364571</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365531</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1245229440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For something to be a scam there has to be deception. There is no deception here - you know exactly what you're getting and exactly how much you're paying.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For something to be a scam there has to be deception .
There is no deception here - you know exactly what you 're getting and exactly how much you 're paying .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For something to be a scam there has to be deception.
There is no deception here - you know exactly what you're getting and exactly how much you're paying.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364535</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364541</id>
	<title>Extension of a "scam"?</title>
	<author>Daravon</author>
	<datestamp>1245268080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this the next level of the Cash For Gold commercials that seem to be everywhere?  Buy gold off of people at a ridiculously low price,s melt it down, resell it at a stupidly high price, and the keep repeating the cycle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this the next level of the Cash For Gold commercials that seem to be everywhere ?
Buy gold off of people at a ridiculously low price,s melt it down , resell it at a stupidly high price , and the keep repeating the cycle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this the next level of the Cash For Gold commercials that seem to be everywhere?
Buy gold off of people at a ridiculously low price,s melt it down, resell it at a stupidly high price, and the keep repeating the cycle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364839</id>
	<title>Been done before</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245269460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I lived in Switzerland '86-'88 you could get small gold ingots from a UBS ATM on the Bahnhofstrasse in downtown Zurich.  Just the sort of thing a conservative Swiss banker would do on the way home from work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I lived in Switzerland '86-'88 you could get small gold ingots from a UBS ATM on the Bahnhofstrasse in downtown Zurich .
Just the sort of thing a conservative Swiss banker would do on the way home from work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I lived in Switzerland '86-'88 you could get small gold ingots from a UBS ATM on the Bahnhofstrasse in downtown Zurich.
Just the sort of thing a conservative Swiss banker would do on the way home from work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365559</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1245229560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're operating the assumption that people are going to buy this for a reason other than the excitement of having REAL GOLD, that super expensive stuff that criminals steal and knights and princesses go after in movies, IN YOUR OWN POCKET.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're operating the assumption that people are going to buy this for a reason other than the excitement of having REAL GOLD , that super expensive stuff that criminals steal and knights and princesses go after in movies , IN YOUR OWN POCKET .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're operating the assumption that people are going to buy this for a reason other than the excitement of having REAL GOLD, that super expensive stuff that criminals steal and knights and princesses go after in movies, IN YOUR OWN POCKET.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364571</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28374281</id>
	<title>Re:Ceiling at $980</title>
	<author>Joey Vegetables</author>
	<datestamp>1245341100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No conspiracy; just good old-fashioned self-interest.  If gold prices rise precipitously, this signals everyone that the dollar is about to plummet, and a likely result is a very immediate and disorderly (rather than calm and planned) flight away from the dollar and all dollar-denominated assets.  This potentially leaves the major holders of such assets - the BRIC countries and oil exporters in particular - in a very, very deep hole.  So to the extent possible their central banks do try to stabilize the gold price.  Ours does as well, for obvious reasons.  This is well-known in gold markets, and it is a temporary phenomenon.  Gold is, always has been and probably always will be, for reasons explained by other posters, the money of last resort.  When the dollar fails, which it will, gold will be the only safe haven, and it will have to rise in dollar terms for two reasons: the fall of the dollar itself (main reason), plus greatly increasing demand (secondary reason).  But while the price ceiling lasts, it represents an amazing buying opportunity that almost certainly won't be repeated during the next few lifetimes.</p><p>Disclaimer: like all people who understand economic history and our current place in it, I'm a goldbug.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No conspiracy ; just good old-fashioned self-interest .
If gold prices rise precipitously , this signals everyone that the dollar is about to plummet , and a likely result is a very immediate and disorderly ( rather than calm and planned ) flight away from the dollar and all dollar-denominated assets .
This potentially leaves the major holders of such assets - the BRIC countries and oil exporters in particular - in a very , very deep hole .
So to the extent possible their central banks do try to stabilize the gold price .
Ours does as well , for obvious reasons .
This is well-known in gold markets , and it is a temporary phenomenon .
Gold is , always has been and probably always will be , for reasons explained by other posters , the money of last resort .
When the dollar fails , which it will , gold will be the only safe haven , and it will have to rise in dollar terms for two reasons : the fall of the dollar itself ( main reason ) , plus greatly increasing demand ( secondary reason ) .
But while the price ceiling lasts , it represents an amazing buying opportunity that almost certainly wo n't be repeated during the next few lifetimes.Disclaimer : like all people who understand economic history and our current place in it , I 'm a goldbug .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No conspiracy; just good old-fashioned self-interest.
If gold prices rise precipitously, this signals everyone that the dollar is about to plummet, and a likely result is a very immediate and disorderly (rather than calm and planned) flight away from the dollar and all dollar-denominated assets.
This potentially leaves the major holders of such assets - the BRIC countries and oil exporters in particular - in a very, very deep hole.
So to the extent possible their central banks do try to stabilize the gold price.
Ours does as well, for obvious reasons.
This is well-known in gold markets, and it is a temporary phenomenon.
Gold is, always has been and probably always will be, for reasons explained by other posters, the money of last resort.
When the dollar fails, which it will, gold will be the only safe haven, and it will have to rise in dollar terms for two reasons: the fall of the dollar itself (main reason), plus greatly increasing demand (secondary reason).
But while the price ceiling lasts, it represents an amazing buying opportunity that almost certainly won't be repeated during the next few lifetimes.Disclaimer: like all people who understand economic history and our current place in it, I'm a goldbug.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368545</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28369415</id>
	<title>Overlooking the allomantic value?</title>
	<author>Oponox</author>
	<datestamp>1245257700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>After all, electrum is poor man's atium.</htmltext>
<tokenext>After all , electrum is poor man 's atium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After all, electrum is poor man's atium.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365569</id>
	<title>Money laundering made easy?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245229680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Holding some hot cash? Just robbed a bank? No problem, for a fee of only 30\%, you will have converted the cash to untraceable gold bars that are easy to store and hide, will probably hold their real value at least as well as a bank account and are easily convertible to any world currency without attracting the Interpol's or FBI's attention.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Holding some hot cash ?
Just robbed a bank ?
No problem , for a fee of only 30 \ % , you will have converted the cash to untraceable gold bars that are easy to store and hide , will probably hold their real value at least as well as a bank account and are easily convertible to any world currency without attracting the Interpol 's or FBI 's attention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holding some hot cash?
Just robbed a bank?
No problem, for a fee of only 30\%, you will have converted the cash to untraceable gold bars that are easy to store and hide, will probably hold their real value at least as well as a bank account and are easily convertible to any world currency without attracting the Interpol's or FBI's attention.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367943</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is the currency of the future</title>
	<author>snookums</author>
	<datestamp>1245243420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If gold became a serious black-market currency, it would be tagged with trace impurities. I wouldn't be surprised if much of it already is. It's already possible to tell which mine gold came from. (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold\_fingerprinting" title="wikipedia.org">gold fingerprinting</a> [wikipedia.org])</p><p>World governments already have buy-in from printer manufacturers to tag all printouts for the purpose of tracing paper-money fraud. It would be even easier to coerce gold refiners to do the same, given that governments are such large consumers of gold.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If gold became a serious black-market currency , it would be tagged with trace impurities .
I would n't be surprised if much of it already is .
It 's already possible to tell which mine gold came from .
( see gold fingerprinting [ wikipedia.org ] ) World governments already have buy-in from printer manufacturers to tag all printouts for the purpose of tracing paper-money fraud .
It would be even easier to coerce gold refiners to do the same , given that governments are such large consumers of gold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If gold became a serious black-market currency, it would be tagged with trace impurities.
I wouldn't be surprised if much of it already is.
It's already possible to tell which mine gold came from.
(see gold fingerprinting [wikipedia.org])World governments already have buy-in from printer manufacturers to tag all printouts for the purpose of tracing paper-money fraud.
It would be even easier to coerce gold refiners to do the same, given that governments are such large consumers of gold.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367569</id>
	<title>Re:Sell signal</title>
	<author>iluvcapra</author>
	<datestamp>1245240300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Amen.   There was a very similar silver rush in the late 1970s when the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson\_Bunker\_Hunt" title="wikipedia.org">Hunt Brothers</a> [wikipedia.org] tried to corner the market.  My dad told me he started shorting silver the day he heard about women hosting parties at their houses to mail off their silverware for cash.  Vending machine + cash2gold = commodity bubble.  And behold there was a silver crash.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amen .
There was a very similar silver rush in the late 1970s when the Hunt Brothers [ wikipedia.org ] tried to corner the market .
My dad told me he started shorting silver the day he heard about women hosting parties at their houses to mail off their silverware for cash .
Vending machine + cash2gold = commodity bubble .
And behold there was a silver crash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amen.
There was a very similar silver rush in the late 1970s when the Hunt Brothers [wikipedia.org] tried to corner the market.
My dad told me he started shorting silver the day he heard about women hosting parties at their houses to mail off their silverware for cash.
Vending machine + cash2gold = commodity bubble.
And behold there was a silver crash.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364501</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365315</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>nasor</author>
	<datestamp>1245271500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Although they talk about it being an investment in the article, I get the strong impression it's intended more as a travel souvenir. I mean come on, the vending machines are in airports.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Although they talk about it being an investment in the article , I get the strong impression it 's intended more as a travel souvenir .
I mean come on , the vending machines are in airports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Although they talk about it being an investment in the article, I get the strong impression it's intended more as a travel souvenir.
I mean come on, the vending machines are in airports.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364571</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365795</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1245230700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good whisky is indeed difficult to make, but decent moonshine, which will satisfy most people looking to get drunk, is dead simple given a good still and the ability to follow a "recipe"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good whisky is indeed difficult to make , but decent moonshine , which will satisfy most people looking to get drunk , is dead simple given a good still and the ability to follow a " recipe "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good whisky is indeed difficult to make, but decent moonshine, which will satisfy most people looking to get drunk, is dead simple given a good still and the ability to follow a "recipe"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367273</id>
	<title>problem of selling</title>
	<author>tengwar</author>
	<datestamp>1245238200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I looked at getting some gold a couple of years ago as a precaution when the banks started having problems. Two issues: firstly, it's difficult to sell unless it has never left the vault of a registered gold dealer. Because it's easily adulterated, it has to be re-assayed unless there is a chain of trust. Coins are a bit easier to sell, but sell at a heavy discount. Secondly, the price is wildly unstable, so that it's only suitable for speculation, not as a precautionary investment. IMHO the best precautionary investment is some dollars, yen, euros and pounds held as banknotes. Obviously you will lose some value to inflation, but that's low at the moment and if you view that as your "insurance" charge, it's not that expensive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I looked at getting some gold a couple of years ago as a precaution when the banks started having problems .
Two issues : firstly , it 's difficult to sell unless it has never left the vault of a registered gold dealer .
Because it 's easily adulterated , it has to be re-assayed unless there is a chain of trust .
Coins are a bit easier to sell , but sell at a heavy discount .
Secondly , the price is wildly unstable , so that it 's only suitable for speculation , not as a precautionary investment .
IMHO the best precautionary investment is some dollars , yen , euros and pounds held as banknotes .
Obviously you will lose some value to inflation , but that 's low at the moment and if you view that as your " insurance " charge , it 's not that expensive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I looked at getting some gold a couple of years ago as a precaution when the banks started having problems.
Two issues: firstly, it's difficult to sell unless it has never left the vault of a registered gold dealer.
Because it's easily adulterated, it has to be re-assayed unless there is a chain of trust.
Coins are a bit easier to sell, but sell at a heavy discount.
Secondly, the price is wildly unstable, so that it's only suitable for speculation, not as a precautionary investment.
IMHO the best precautionary investment is some dollars, yen, euros and pounds held as banknotes.
Obviously you will lose some value to inflation, but that's low at the moment and if you view that as your "insurance" charge, it's not that expensive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365251</id>
	<title>Re:Know your target audience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245271200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've always wondered about the "gold standard" crowd.  Why gold?  Gold doesn't have any innate qualities that make it a better currency then other metals similarly rare metals... the only "answer" is because that's what we used to use in this culture.  I'm sure someone who cared could find a metal worth as much as gold that was a little more, um... hard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always wondered about the " gold standard " crowd .
Why gold ?
Gold does n't have any innate qualities that make it a better currency then other metals similarly rare metals... the only " answer " is because that 's what we used to use in this culture .
I 'm sure someone who cared could find a metal worth as much as gold that was a little more , um... hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always wondered about the "gold standard" crowd.
Why gold?
Gold doesn't have any innate qualities that make it a better currency then other metals similarly rare metals... the only "answer" is because that's what we used to use in this culture.
I'm sure someone who cared could find a metal worth as much as gold that was a little more, um... hard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364531</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28379209</id>
	<title>Re:Sell signal</title>
	<author>sciencewhiz</author>
	<datestamp>1245358020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Leveraged funds (like ProShares Ultra and UltraShort funds) are only designed to work over a single day. Holding a leveraged fund for a long period may have very bad consequences. For example, SLL (ProShares UltraShort Real Estate) was <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123111094917552317.html" title="wsj.com" rel="nofollow">down 43\%</a> [wsj.com] in 2008, when it should have been up 100\%.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Leveraged funds ( like ProShares Ultra and UltraShort funds ) are only designed to work over a single day .
Holding a leveraged fund for a long period may have very bad consequences .
For example , SLL ( ProShares UltraShort Real Estate ) was down 43 \ % [ wsj.com ] in 2008 , when it should have been up 100 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leveraged funds (like ProShares Ultra and UltraShort funds) are only designed to work over a single day.
Holding a leveraged fund for a long period may have very bad consequences.
For example, SLL (ProShares UltraShort Real Estate) was down 43\% [wsj.com] in 2008, when it should have been up 100\%.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368421</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is the currency of the future</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245247680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What bullshit Libertarian gold standard propaganda.  Gold absolutely does not in any way "hold its value like nothing else."  Gold is much more variable, up and down, than many possible investments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What bullshit Libertarian gold standard propaganda .
Gold absolutely does not in any way " hold its value like nothing else .
" Gold is much more variable , up and down , than many possible investments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What bullshit Libertarian gold standard propaganda.
Gold absolutely does not in any way "hold its value like nothing else.
"  Gold is much more variable, up and down, than many possible investments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368511</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245248580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>...why bother to buy gold at all?  You should be buying guns.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>That's a good point. Where can i find the gun vending machine?  Does it take gold, by chance?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...why bother to buy gold at all ?
You should be buying guns .
...That 's a good point .
Where can i find the gun vending machine ?
Does it take gold , by chance ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...why bother to buy gold at all?
You should be buying guns.
...That's a good point.
Where can i find the gun vending machine?
Does it take gold, by chance?
:)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364571</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28371171</id>
	<title>Much better deal at money exchange</title>
	<author>SharpFang</author>
	<datestamp>1245319440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure about Germany or other parts of the world, but in Poland, many (most?) standard money exchange points buy and sell "gold junk", with about +/- 15\% markup on the market price (the difference between their buy/sell price is around 30\%, market price somewhere in the middle).</p><p>The interesting part is that this "gold junk" is usually in form of perfectly good jewelry - various gold chains, rings etc - and with a much higher actual jewelry value. So you can ask them to show what golden items they got, find something that is pretty, undamaged and you like it, and ask to have it weighted for you - you buy a quality jewelry item for price of junk. If you're lucky and knowledgeable, you may find a very valuable antique even, worth many times its weight in gold.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure about Germany or other parts of the world , but in Poland , many ( most ?
) standard money exchange points buy and sell " gold junk " , with about + /- 15 \ % markup on the market price ( the difference between their buy/sell price is around 30 \ % , market price somewhere in the middle ) .The interesting part is that this " gold junk " is usually in form of perfectly good jewelry - various gold chains , rings etc - and with a much higher actual jewelry value .
So you can ask them to show what golden items they got , find something that is pretty , undamaged and you like it , and ask to have it weighted for you - you buy a quality jewelry item for price of junk .
If you 're lucky and knowledgeable , you may find a very valuable antique even , worth many times its weight in gold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure about Germany or other parts of the world, but in Poland, many (most?
) standard money exchange points buy and sell "gold junk", with about +/- 15\% markup on the market price (the difference between their buy/sell price is around 30\%, market price somewhere in the middle).The interesting part is that this "gold junk" is usually in form of perfectly good jewelry - various gold chains, rings etc - and with a much higher actual jewelry value.
So you can ask them to show what golden items they got, find something that is pretty, undamaged and you like it, and ask to have it weighted for you - you buy a quality jewelry item for price of junk.
If you're lucky and knowledgeable, you may find a very valuable antique even, worth many times its weight in gold.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365289</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is a lot easier to smuggle through customs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245271440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At 30\% above market? Fuck that. If I'm carrying that much cash, I'm going to slap it in gold through a broker (if gold is what I want) and hop on the plane carrying jack shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At 30 \ % above market ?
Fuck that .
If I 'm carrying that much cash , I 'm going to slap it in gold through a broker ( if gold is what I want ) and hop on the plane carrying jack shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At 30\% above market?
Fuck that.
If I'm carrying that much cash, I'm going to slap it in gold through a broker (if gold is what I want) and hop on the plane carrying jack shit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364721</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366027</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is a lot easier to smuggle through customs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245232020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold.</p></div><p>You could probably just give away 20\% in bribes and save 10\%.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold.You could probably just give away 20 \ % in bribes and save 10 \ % .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold.You could probably just give away 20\% in bribes and save 10\%.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364721</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28371969</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is a lot easier to smuggle through customs</title>
	<author>Zoxed</author>
	<datestamp>1245328380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold.</p><p>I could imagine some countries where it may be needed to get *through* customs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold.I could imagine some countries where it may be needed to get * through * customs : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold.I could imagine some countries where it may be needed to get *through* customs :-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364721</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364517</id>
	<title>why?</title>
	<author>ringdangdu</author>
	<datestamp>1245268020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For when you quickly need gold?</htmltext>
<tokenext>For when you quickly need gold ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For when you quickly need gold?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367733</id>
	<title>Re:Sell signal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245241680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes... shorting gold might be a good idea before NASA starts mining asteroids and dropping hundreds of tonnes of AU through the atmosphere.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes... shorting gold might be a good idea before NASA starts mining asteroids and dropping hundreds of tonnes of AU through the atmosphere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes... shorting gold might be a good idea before NASA starts mining asteroids and dropping hundreds of tonnes of AU through the atmosphere.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365515</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367427</id>
	<title>Re:Low markup for a vending machine</title>
	<author>Brandybuck</author>
	<datestamp>1245239400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Coca Cola is an immediately consumable product. Gold in bullion form is an investment. That's why a 30\% markup at a vending machine is so stupid.</p><p>p.s. I recall gold kiosks back in the 80's during the last gold bubble. I have no idea what their markups were though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Coca Cola is an immediately consumable product .
Gold in bullion form is an investment .
That 's why a 30 \ % markup at a vending machine is so stupid.p.s .
I recall gold kiosks back in the 80 's during the last gold bubble .
I have no idea what their markups were though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coca Cola is an immediately consumable product.
Gold in bullion form is an investment.
That's why a 30\% markup at a vending machine is so stupid.p.s.
I recall gold kiosks back in the 80's during the last gold bubble.
I have no idea what their markups were though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364853</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364595</id>
	<title>German Leprechauns rejoice!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245268320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now I can always get me gold!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I can always get me gold !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I can always get me gold!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368545</id>
	<title>Ceiling at $980</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245248880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>One current problem with gold is the lid at $980/oz. Every time the market touches that trigger someone big is coming in and sell sell selling until they drive it back to near $880.  Don't know who, but they must have a pretty good pile of the stuff at the moment to have kept this up this long.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One current problem with gold is the lid at $ 980/oz .
Every time the market touches that trigger someone big is coming in and sell sell selling until they drive it back to near $ 880 .
Do n't know who , but they must have a pretty good pile of the stuff at the moment to have kept this up this long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One current problem with gold is the lid at $980/oz.
Every time the market touches that trigger someone big is coming in and sell sell selling until they drive it back to near $880.
Don't know who, but they must have a pretty good pile of the stuff at the moment to have kept this up this long.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364661</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>jonbryce</author>
	<datestamp>1245268560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are at the beginning/middle/end of a gold bubble, just like we had a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com stock bubble in 1999/2000 and a real estate bubble from 2001-2007.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are at the beginning/middle/end of a gold bubble , just like we had a .com stock bubble in 1999/2000 and a real estate bubble from 2001-2007 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are at the beginning/middle/end of a gold bubble, just like we had a .com stock bubble in 1999/2000 and a real estate bubble from 2001-2007.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364535</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365343</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245271620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Believe me, you'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.</p></div><p>You forgot to add your gold.  <br>
&nbsp; <br>As in "My guns will protect my friends, my family, and <b>your</b> gold"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Believe me , you 'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.You forgot to add your gold .
  As in " My guns will protect my friends , my family , and your gold "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Believe me, you'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.You forgot to add your gold.
  As in "My guns will protect my friends, my family, and your gold"
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364571</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28370705</id>
	<title>Faaaake</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245358500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is a fake, there's no such thing here<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is a fake , there 's no such thing here ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is a fake, there's no such thing here ....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366307</id>
	<title>Re:why?</title>
	<author>realnrh</author>
	<datestamp>1245233220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You've lost a crown and aren't willing to wait for the dentist, so you're making it a DIY project, clearly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've lost a crown and are n't willing to wait for the dentist , so you 're making it a DIY project , clearly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've lost a crown and aren't willing to wait for the dentist, so you're making it a DIY project, clearly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364517</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365145</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is a lot easier to smuggle through customs</title>
	<author>the\_humeister</author>
	<datestamp>1245270660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd rather use PS3s. You lose a lot less money buying PS3s and selling them than buying gold from these outlets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd rather use PS3s .
You lose a lot less money buying PS3s and selling them than buying gold from these outlets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd rather use PS3s.
You lose a lot less money buying PS3s and selling them than buying gold from these outlets.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364721</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364443</id>
	<title>30 Percent!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245267720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If gold is selling for $1K per ounce, a 30 percent increase is $300!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If gold is selling for $ 1K per ounce , a 30 percent increase is $ 300 !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If gold is selling for $1K per ounce, a 30 percent increase is $300!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28374731</id>
	<title>Re:Ceiling at $980</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1245342960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's the alchemists guild.  They sell via various fronts, for obvious reasons.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the alchemists guild .
They sell via various fronts , for obvious reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the alchemists guild.
They sell via various fronts, for obvious reasons.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368545</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365431</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245272040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is my understanding that the lowest denomination of gold, the single gram of gold, will cost 30\% more than the value of the gold inside.  This is about the same amount that you will pay anywhere.  The extra cost comes from the assay (it is sealed in an assay card), the minting costs (which are higher for small pieces like that), and the cost of the rather nice looking box it comes in (not sure WHY they simply MUST put it in a nice box).  Basically, the extra cost is like an ATM fee, only a bit higher (about $10-20), which is probably quite worth it, honestly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is my understanding that the lowest denomination of gold , the single gram of gold , will cost 30 \ % more than the value of the gold inside .
This is about the same amount that you will pay anywhere .
The extra cost comes from the assay ( it is sealed in an assay card ) , the minting costs ( which are higher for small pieces like that ) , and the cost of the rather nice looking box it comes in ( not sure WHY they simply MUST put it in a nice box ) .
Basically , the extra cost is like an ATM fee , only a bit higher ( about $ 10-20 ) , which is probably quite worth it , honestly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is my understanding that the lowest denomination of gold, the single gram of gold, will cost 30\% more than the value of the gold inside.
This is about the same amount that you will pay anywhere.
The extra cost comes from the assay (it is sealed in an assay card), the minting costs (which are higher for small pieces like that), and the cost of the rather nice looking box it comes in (not sure WHY they simply MUST put it in a nice box).
Basically, the extra cost is like an ATM fee, only a bit higher (about $10-20), which is probably quite worth it, honestly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364535</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364531</id>
	<title>Know your target audience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245268020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The machines charge about 30\% more than the current trading price for gold</p></div><p>Yeah, that seem about right, considering the level of logic in most of the "we must return to the gold standard" posts I've seen.  They may actually manage to make this a viable enterprise.</p><p>I now present several guest posters who will now provide examples of just the posts I mean.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The machines charge about 30 \ % more than the current trading price for goldYeah , that seem about right , considering the level of logic in most of the " we must return to the gold standard " posts I 've seen .
They may actually manage to make this a viable enterprise.I now present several guest posters who will now provide examples of just the posts I mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The machines charge about 30\% more than the current trading price for goldYeah, that seem about right, considering the level of logic in most of the "we must return to the gold standard" posts I've seen.
They may actually manage to make this a viable enterprise.I now present several guest posters who will now provide examples of just the posts I mean.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367853</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is the currency of the future</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245242640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"How you going to use that gold for anything other than paying another criminal, since nobody else is going to want to take your inconvenient gold, except maybe if they charge you a ridiculous surcharge."</p><p>the same way criminal deal with laundering large sums of cash.</p><p>"what will replace it are anonymous cash cards."<br>Nope. As someone who has work and made smart cards, one of the first things the bank wanted was tracking. The second thing was only to allow the banks to put money on them<br>We kind of created a micro economy that left the banks out. Oops.</p><p>If a card is truly Anon, then it is trivial to forge. There needs to be a verification factor, and for that there needs to be a way to follow the cards history.</p><p>"You think most people are going to want to run their credit card down at the porn store?"<br>Considering how main stream it's becoming, I don't think that will be a problem.<br>I mean, seriosuly the generation that has had porn emailed to them everyday of there lives is not going to be too embarrassed by purchasing porn.</p><p>Man, I just think about how easy kids had it. When I wanted porn I had to sneak my dads playboys. Fortunatly I only needed it for a minute~</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" How you going to use that gold for anything other than paying another criminal , since nobody else is going to want to take your inconvenient gold , except maybe if they charge you a ridiculous surcharge .
" the same way criminal deal with laundering large sums of cash .
" what will replace it are anonymous cash cards. " Nope .
As someone who has work and made smart cards , one of the first things the bank wanted was tracking .
The second thing was only to allow the banks to put money on themWe kind of created a micro economy that left the banks out .
Oops.If a card is truly Anon , then it is trivial to forge .
There needs to be a verification factor , and for that there needs to be a way to follow the cards history .
" You think most people are going to want to run their credit card down at the porn store ?
" Considering how main stream it 's becoming , I do n't think that will be a problem.I mean , seriosuly the generation that has had porn emailed to them everyday of there lives is not going to be too embarrassed by purchasing porn.Man , I just think about how easy kids had it .
When I wanted porn I had to sneak my dads playboys .
Fortunatly I only needed it for a minute ~</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"How you going to use that gold for anything other than paying another criminal, since nobody else is going to want to take your inconvenient gold, except maybe if they charge you a ridiculous surcharge.
"the same way criminal deal with laundering large sums of cash.
"what will replace it are anonymous cash cards."Nope.
As someone who has work and made smart cards, one of the first things the bank wanted was tracking.
The second thing was only to allow the banks to put money on themWe kind of created a micro economy that left the banks out.
Oops.If a card is truly Anon, then it is trivial to forge.
There needs to be a verification factor, and for that there needs to be a way to follow the cards history.
"You think most people are going to want to run their credit card down at the porn store?
"Considering how main stream it's becoming, I don't think that will be a problem.I mean, seriosuly the generation that has had porn emailed to them everyday of there lives is not going to be too embarrassed by purchasing porn.Man, I just think about how easy kids had it.
When I wanted porn I had to sneak my dads playboys.
Fortunatly I only needed it for a minute~</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366475</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1245234060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you stole someones credit card I would think it would come in handy. It is better then a sack full of canybars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you stole someones credit card I would think it would come in handy .
It is better then a sack full of canybars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you stole someones credit card I would think it would come in handy.
It is better then a sack full of canybars.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364535</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364811</id>
	<title>Why ...</title>
	<author>SlashDev</author>
	<datestamp>1245269340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>.. would anyone pay 30\% more than the current price of gold is beyond me. What is beyond me also, is how this idea made it past the marketing department.</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. would anyone pay 30 \ % more than the current price of gold is beyond me .
What is beyond me also , is how this idea made it past the marketing department .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. would anyone pay 30\% more than the current price of gold is beyond me.
What is beyond me also, is how this idea made it past the marketing department.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368011</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245243900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gold is not consumed, and provides no use to most people other than as an investment.</p><p>Water is something that is consumed, quite regularly.</p><p>Additionally, the price of water bottle is $1-$3 (depending on your location). The amount of gold that could be purchased for the same quantity of money is minuscule.</p><p>Therefore, I declare your analogy inept. Try comparing against cars next time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gold is not consumed , and provides no use to most people other than as an investment.Water is something that is consumed , quite regularly.Additionally , the price of water bottle is $ 1- $ 3 ( depending on your location ) .
The amount of gold that could be purchased for the same quantity of money is minuscule.Therefore , I declare your analogy inept .
Try comparing against cars next time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gold is not consumed, and provides no use to most people other than as an investment.Water is something that is consumed, quite regularly.Additionally, the price of water bottle is $1-$3 (depending on your location).
The amount of gold that could be purchased for the same quantity of money is minuscule.Therefore, I declare your analogy inept.
Try comparing against cars next time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365253</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368675</id>
	<title>germany? go figure...</title>
	<author>The\_Rook</author>
	<datestamp>1245250440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i'd have thought gold vending machines would've hit japan first</p><p><a href="http://images.google.com/images?client=safari&amp;rls=en&amp;q=japan+vending+machine&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=gZ05Stf8MMaGtgeApsjVDA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=image\_result\_group&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=title" title="google.com">http://images.google.com/images?client=safari&amp;rls=en&amp;q=japan+vending+machine&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=gZ05Stf8MMaGtgeApsjVDA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=image\_result\_group&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=title</a> [google.com]</p><p>they sell everything in vending machines in japan.</p><p><a href="http://www.techfresh.net/japanese-vending-machine/" title="techfresh.net">http://www.techfresh.net/japanese-vending-machine/</a> [techfresh.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'd have thought gold vending machines would 've hit japan firsthttp : //images.google.com/images ? client = safari&amp;rls = en&amp;q = japan + vending + machine&amp;oe = UTF-8&amp;um = 1&amp;ie = UTF-8&amp;ei = gZ05Stf8MMaGtgeApsjVDA&amp;sa = X&amp;oi = image \ _result \ _group&amp;resnum = 1&amp;ct = title [ google.com ] they sell everything in vending machines in japan.http : //www.techfresh.net/japanese-vending-machine/ [ techfresh.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'd have thought gold vending machines would've hit japan firsthttp://images.google.com/images?client=safari&amp;rls=en&amp;q=japan+vending+machine&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;um=1&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;ei=gZ05Stf8MMaGtgeApsjVDA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=image\_result\_group&amp;resnum=1&amp;ct=title [google.com]they sell everything in vending machines in japan.http://www.techfresh.net/japanese-vending-machine/ [techfresh.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364835</id>
	<title>Obvious use</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245269460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Money laundering seems like a pretty obvious application, and likely a very profitable one.</p><p>Gold can't be traced, is universally accepted, and is easily verified for purity (at least gold wire, gold bars are more easily forged).  So the obvious users of gold in quantity are for the criminal element.  Further, you need to then locate the vending machines in areas with a minimal chance of theft, and enough traffic to encourage a feeling of safety.  There's a reason drug deals are done in shopping malls and government buildings, it's a much harder place for something to go wrong!</p><p>I predict profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Money laundering seems like a pretty obvious application , and likely a very profitable one.Gold ca n't be traced , is universally accepted , and is easily verified for purity ( at least gold wire , gold bars are more easily forged ) .
So the obvious users of gold in quantity are for the criminal element .
Further , you need to then locate the vending machines in areas with a minimal chance of theft , and enough traffic to encourage a feeling of safety .
There 's a reason drug deals are done in shopping malls and government buildings , it 's a much harder place for something to go wrong ! I predict profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Money laundering seems like a pretty obvious application, and likely a very profitable one.Gold can't be traced, is universally accepted, and is easily verified for purity (at least gold wire, gold bars are more easily forged).
So the obvious users of gold in quantity are for the criminal element.
Further, you need to then locate the vending machines in areas with a minimal chance of theft, and enough traffic to encourage a feeling of safety.
There's a reason drug deals are done in shopping malls and government buildings, it's a much harder place for something to go wrong!I predict profit!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365329</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>HiThere</author>
	<datestamp>1245271560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whiskey is another good investment if you have such expectations.  Good whiskey is difficult to make, in high demand, keeps well, and takes a very long time to make if you have only primitive equipment.  (Consider the problem of seals in the still, and making pipes that don't leak lead.)</p><p>You'd probably want to make sure that it was securely packaged, and that the caps of the bottles were upright and not exposed to moisture.  Doing such in the current environment is easy.  After a collapse, much more difficult.  And you can buy an extra liter of whiskey a week without anyone raising an eyebrow.  (Try doing that with guns and ammo.  And ammo doesn't store as well.)</p><p>Another good investment would be a medical degree.  That one's more time consuming, but after a collapse doctors, those who know more than what drugs to prescribe anyway, will be extremely valuable.  Nurses too.</p><p>Or you could apprentice yourself to a blacksmith.  That would be a really valuable skill.  But you'd better learn how to handle and recognize scrap metal.</p><p>Horse handling probably won't be worth bothering with in most areas for a few generations.  Most of the horses will be eaten.  Archery would be worthwhile, but learn to fletch your arrows at the same time.  I doubt that you could learn to handle a longbow well, but it would be a good idea to learn how to teach the use of it.  (Supposedly one needs to grow up with a longbow to learn it's proper use.)  Having a few compound bows would be a good substitute, but you won't be able to replace them.  So also get a few regular bows, and learn how to make them from wood.  And which wood.  (Yew is likely not to be available, so learn what's available in your area.)</p><p>Guns are a strictly short term answer.  (So is whiskey.)  Both only buy you time to establish yourself in a community...and you'll NEED a community.  Self defense by an individual is a recipe for dying out within one generation.<br>
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<tokenext>Whiskey is another good investment if you have such expectations .
Good whiskey is difficult to make , in high demand , keeps well , and takes a very long time to make if you have only primitive equipment .
( Consider the problem of seals in the still , and making pipes that do n't leak lead .
) You 'd probably want to make sure that it was securely packaged , and that the caps of the bottles were upright and not exposed to moisture .
Doing such in the current environment is easy .
After a collapse , much more difficult .
And you can buy an extra liter of whiskey a week without anyone raising an eyebrow .
( Try doing that with guns and ammo .
And ammo does n't store as well .
) Another good investment would be a medical degree .
That one 's more time consuming , but after a collapse doctors , those who know more than what drugs to prescribe anyway , will be extremely valuable .
Nurses too.Or you could apprentice yourself to a blacksmith .
That would be a really valuable skill .
But you 'd better learn how to handle and recognize scrap metal.Horse handling probably wo n't be worth bothering with in most areas for a few generations .
Most of the horses will be eaten .
Archery would be worthwhile , but learn to fletch your arrows at the same time .
I doubt that you could learn to handle a longbow well , but it would be a good idea to learn how to teach the use of it .
( Supposedly one needs to grow up with a longbow to learn it 's proper use .
) Having a few compound bows would be a good substitute , but you wo n't be able to replace them .
So also get a few regular bows , and learn how to make them from wood .
And which wood .
( Yew is likely not to be available , so learn what 's available in your area .
) Guns are a strictly short term answer .
( So is whiskey .
) Both only buy you time to establish yourself in a community...and you 'll NEED a community .
Self defense by an individual is a recipe for dying out within one generation .
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<sentencetext>Whiskey is another good investment if you have such expectations.
Good whiskey is difficult to make, in high demand, keeps well, and takes a very long time to make if you have only primitive equipment.
(Consider the problem of seals in the still, and making pipes that don't leak lead.
)You'd probably want to make sure that it was securely packaged, and that the caps of the bottles were upright and not exposed to moisture.
Doing such in the current environment is easy.
After a collapse, much more difficult.
And you can buy an extra liter of whiskey a week without anyone raising an eyebrow.
(Try doing that with guns and ammo.
And ammo doesn't store as well.
)Another good investment would be a medical degree.
That one's more time consuming, but after a collapse doctors, those who know more than what drugs to prescribe anyway, will be extremely valuable.
Nurses too.Or you could apprentice yourself to a blacksmith.
That would be a really valuable skill.
But you'd better learn how to handle and recognize scrap metal.Horse handling probably won't be worth bothering with in most areas for a few generations.
Most of the horses will be eaten.
Archery would be worthwhile, but learn to fletch your arrows at the same time.
I doubt that you could learn to handle a longbow well, but it would be a good idea to learn how to teach the use of it.
(Supposedly one needs to grow up with a longbow to learn it's proper use.
)  Having a few compound bows would be a good substitute, but you won't be able to replace them.
So also get a few regular bows, and learn how to make them from wood.
And which wood.
(Yew is likely not to be available, so learn what's available in your area.
)Guns are a strictly short term answer.
(So is whiskey.
)  Both only buy you time to establish yourself in a community...and you'll NEED a community.
Self defense by an individual is a recipe for dying out within one generation.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364935</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>SomeJoel</author>
	<datestamp>1245269820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We are at the beginning/middle/end of a gold bubble, just like we had a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.com stock bubble in 1999/2000 and a real estate bubble from 2001-2007.</p></div><p>Well, which is it?</p></div>
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<tokenext>We are at the beginning/middle/end of a gold bubble , just like we had a .com stock bubble in 1999/2000 and a real estate bubble from 2001-2007.Well , which is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are at the beginning/middle/end of a gold bubble, just like we had a .com stock bubble in 1999/2000 and a real estate bubble from 2001-2007.Well, which is it?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365311</id>
	<title>Re:why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245271500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because teh people iz scared.  The gold can haz value but not the Euro!<br>
The problem is exactly the reverse, of course.  If a business has gone through the trouble to make an automated gold-selling machine that gives out gold in exchange for Euros, then that means the businessmen want Euros.  Whenever I hear an ad on radio or TV for the same thing, I'm always perplexed (they just spent $$$ to advertise they're selling gold?  Must mean gold is losing value).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because teh people iz scared .
The gold can haz value but not the Euro !
The problem is exactly the reverse , of course .
If a business has gone through the trouble to make an automated gold-selling machine that gives out gold in exchange for Euros , then that means the businessmen want Euros .
Whenever I hear an ad on radio or TV for the same thing , I 'm always perplexed ( they just spent $ $ $ to advertise they 're selling gold ?
Must mean gold is losing value ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because teh people iz scared.
The gold can haz value but not the Euro!
The problem is exactly the reverse, of course.
If a business has gone through the trouble to make an automated gold-selling machine that gives out gold in exchange for Euros, then that means the businessmen want Euros.
Whenever I hear an ad on radio or TV for the same thing, I'm always perplexed (they just spent $$$ to advertise they're selling gold?
Must mean gold is losing value).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365395</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>parabyte</author>
	<datestamp>1245271860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I read an interview with these guys some times ago.</p><p>- They basically sell very small bars, like 1 gram pieces, which are sold which high markup everywhere</p><p>- they don't target investors with these machines, but people who want to bring a gift home</p><p>- they want to raise interest for buying gold this way</p><p>p.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I read an interview with these guys some times ago.- They basically sell very small bars , like 1 gram pieces , which are sold which high markup everywhere- they do n't target investors with these machines , but people who want to bring a gift home- they want to raise interest for buying gold this wayp .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read an interview with these guys some times ago.- They basically sell very small bars, like 1 gram pieces, which are sold which high markup everywhere- they don't target investors with these machines, but people who want to bring a gift home- they want to raise interest for buying gold this wayp.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28370451</id>
	<title>Nice ...</title>
	<author>garry\_g</author>
	<datestamp>1245356100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... but I only use my Gold to store and trade the Latinum inside<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so much easier to handle than the eye-dropper<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... but I only use my Gold to store and trade the Latinum inside ... so much easier to handle than the eye-dropper .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but I only use my Gold to store and trade the Latinum inside ... so much easier to handle than the eye-dropper ...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364959</id>
	<title>Re:Know your target audience</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245269880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We must go to a monetary policy that is disassociated from politics.  This makes a gold standard better than our current policy.  The problem with the gold standard is that it is linked to a single irrelevant commodity which will cause confusing and disrupting fluctuations in prices/salaries that we don't need to put up with.</p><p>The monetary policy needs to be driven by math (a computer) that tries to fix against a good CPI chart.  When the economy is expanding, the money will inflate; when the economy is contracting, the money will deflate.  The government can be the creditor/debtor.</p><p>Just get the "free" money out of the hands of the $&amp;^\% politicians.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We must go to a monetary policy that is disassociated from politics .
This makes a gold standard better than our current policy .
The problem with the gold standard is that it is linked to a single irrelevant commodity which will cause confusing and disrupting fluctuations in prices/salaries that we do n't need to put up with.The monetary policy needs to be driven by math ( a computer ) that tries to fix against a good CPI chart .
When the economy is expanding , the money will inflate ; when the economy is contracting , the money will deflate .
The government can be the creditor/debtor.Just get the " free " money out of the hands of the $ &amp; ^ \ % politicians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We must go to a monetary policy that is disassociated from politics.
This makes a gold standard better than our current policy.
The problem with the gold standard is that it is linked to a single irrelevant commodity which will cause confusing and disrupting fluctuations in prices/salaries that we don't need to put up with.The monetary policy needs to be driven by math (a computer) that tries to fix against a good CPI chart.
When the economy is expanding, the money will inflate; when the economy is contracting, the money will deflate.
The government can be the creditor/debtor.Just get the "free" money out of the hands of the $&amp;^\% politicians.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28369379</id>
	<title>Re:Extension of a "scam"?</title>
	<author>calix0815</author>
	<datestamp>1245257220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a german newsprogram the company said that it obviousely isn't really intended as an investment but rather as a cool gift. And most importantly as an advertisement for their real business of selling you larger bars via their website. In the interview they clearly stated that 250g is the minimum for a somewhat cost efficient investment.</p><p>And as someone else already stated here, a 30\% markup is not unusual for tiny bars. The spot price is for the bulk metal, in the european market that would be 400oz bars, in the US 100oz. You pay for having the small bars made. And if you sell gold that isn't stored in an accredited vault you'll have to have it assayed again before you can sell it for spot price (probably molten down completely to make sure there's no fake core).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a german newsprogram the company said that it obviousely is n't really intended as an investment but rather as a cool gift .
And most importantly as an advertisement for their real business of selling you larger bars via their website .
In the interview they clearly stated that 250g is the minimum for a somewhat cost efficient investment.And as someone else already stated here , a 30 \ % markup is not unusual for tiny bars .
The spot price is for the bulk metal , in the european market that would be 400oz bars , in the US 100oz .
You pay for having the small bars made .
And if you sell gold that is n't stored in an accredited vault you 'll have to have it assayed again before you can sell it for spot price ( probably molten down completely to make sure there 's no fake core ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a german newsprogram the company said that it obviousely isn't really intended as an investment but rather as a cool gift.
And most importantly as an advertisement for their real business of selling you larger bars via their website.
In the interview they clearly stated that 250g is the minimum for a somewhat cost efficient investment.And as someone else already stated here, a 30\% markup is not unusual for tiny bars.
The spot price is for the bulk metal, in the european market that would be 400oz bars, in the US 100oz.
You pay for having the small bars made.
And if you sell gold that isn't stored in an accredited vault you'll have to have it assayed again before you can sell it for spot price (probably molten down completely to make sure there's no fake core).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365417</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is a lot easier to smuggle through customs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245271980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold.</i></p><p>Yes, it's clearly much easier to conceal heavy gold coins that show up on X-rays instead of lightweight paper notes that don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold.Yes , it 's clearly much easier to conceal heavy gold coins that show up on X-rays instead of lightweight paper notes that do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could see someone realizing that they have too much cash to get through customs buying gold.Yes, it's clearly much easier to conceal heavy gold coins that show up on X-rays instead of lightweight paper notes that don't.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366537</id>
	<title>Re:Sell signal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245234360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Afraid that ze germans invade you for your gold assetz ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Afraid that ze germans invade you for your gold assetz ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Afraid that ze germans invade you for your gold assetz ?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366355</id>
	<title>Re:Know your target audience</title>
	<author>realnrh</author>
	<datestamp>1245233520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Slashdot moderation-based monetary policy. You get modded up, you get money. Modded down, you lose money. The monetary policy is then based off of the number of good (or at least popular) ideas and comments you make.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot moderation-based monetary policy .
You get modded up , you get money .
Modded down , you lose money .
The monetary policy is then based off of the number of good ( or at least popular ) ideas and comments you make .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot moderation-based monetary policy.
You get modded up, you get money.
Modded down, you lose money.
The monetary policy is then based off of the number of good (or at least popular) ideas and comments you make.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364853</id>
	<title>Low markup for a vending machine</title>
	<author>eison</author>
	<datestamp>1245269520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where I'm at, Coca-cola sells for more than a 100\% markup between a store and a vending machine.<br>30\% sounds pretty low.  Why not just sell cokes?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where I 'm at , Coca-cola sells for more than a 100 \ % markup between a store and a vending machine.30 \ % sounds pretty low .
Why not just sell cokes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where I'm at, Coca-cola sells for more than a 100\% markup between a store and a vending machine.30\% sounds pretty low.
Why not just sell cokes?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367573</id>
	<title>Re:Poor kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245240300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so how much more sadistic, then, are coinset proofs and generally anything else made by the franklin mint?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so how much more sadistic , then , are coinset proofs and generally anything else made by the franklin mint ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so how much more sadistic, then, are coinset proofs and generally anything else made by the franklin mint?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28374345</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1245341340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the grandparent knew which bit of the bubble we were in, he would be buying or selling gold to take advantage of the massive returns you can get from going in the opposite direction to the rest of the market during a bubble, not telling everyone else.  It relatively easy to tell that you are after the start of a bubble, or after the end, but anywhere from the beginning to just before the end looks quite similar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the grandparent knew which bit of the bubble we were in , he would be buying or selling gold to take advantage of the massive returns you can get from going in the opposite direction to the rest of the market during a bubble , not telling everyone else .
It relatively easy to tell that you are after the start of a bubble , or after the end , but anywhere from the beginning to just before the end looks quite similar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the grandparent knew which bit of the bubble we were in, he would be buying or selling gold to take advantage of the massive returns you can get from going in the opposite direction to the rest of the market during a bubble, not telling everyone else.
It relatively easy to tell that you are after the start of a bubble, or after the end, but anywhere from the beginning to just before the end looks quite similar.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365981</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1245231900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why as an investor would I pay a 30\% premium to purchase physical gold?</p></div></blockquote><p>This isn't marketed to investors, but is aimed at suckers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why as an investor would I pay a 30 \ % premium to purchase physical gold ? This is n't marketed to investors , but is aimed at suckers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why as an investor would I pay a 30\% premium to purchase physical gold?This isn't marketed to investors, but is aimed at suckers.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366615</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1245234720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is for the unsophisticated investor.  It is like $50 for a gold coin. It is cool, it is something one can keep at home, and it is a hedge against all the fear that has been instilled by the various changes going on around the world.  From a purely rational view, it might seem irrational.  OTOH, I see people spending $5 or $10 every week on lottery tickets.  Ultimately I think that gold might be the better investment, even if the purchase price is high.  And it is not such a markup.  If one were to buy gold jewelry, the only other way that the average person has easy access to gold, it would cost at least twice that much.
<p>
It is also helpful to remember  the current fear factor it great, and we are living in times when people will pay anything just to feel a little safer.  For instance guns and ammunition sales are skyrocketing, even though there is only so much one can use.  A friend of mine sold a gun for twice of what it would fetched a year ago, to a guy who already had many guns.  There is no logic to the inflation, just scared people who have more money than sense.
</p><p>
Which I mean literally, because if things come to pass as the fear mongers predict, gold and guns are not going to help that much.  The food will not be sale, and will be surrounds by land mines and other high explosives, not pea shooters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is for the unsophisticated investor .
It is like $ 50 for a gold coin .
It is cool , it is something one can keep at home , and it is a hedge against all the fear that has been instilled by the various changes going on around the world .
From a purely rational view , it might seem irrational .
OTOH , I see people spending $ 5 or $ 10 every week on lottery tickets .
Ultimately I think that gold might be the better investment , even if the purchase price is high .
And it is not such a markup .
If one were to buy gold jewelry , the only other way that the average person has easy access to gold , it would cost at least twice that much .
It is also helpful to remember the current fear factor it great , and we are living in times when people will pay anything just to feel a little safer .
For instance guns and ammunition sales are skyrocketing , even though there is only so much one can use .
A friend of mine sold a gun for twice of what it would fetched a year ago , to a guy who already had many guns .
There is no logic to the inflation , just scared people who have more money than sense .
Which I mean literally , because if things come to pass as the fear mongers predict , gold and guns are not going to help that much .
The food will not be sale , and will be surrounds by land mines and other high explosives , not pea shooters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is for the unsophisticated investor.
It is like $50 for a gold coin.
It is cool, it is something one can keep at home, and it is a hedge against all the fear that has been instilled by the various changes going on around the world.
From a purely rational view, it might seem irrational.
OTOH, I see people spending $5 or $10 every week on lottery tickets.
Ultimately I think that gold might be the better investment, even if the purchase price is high.
And it is not such a markup.
If one were to buy gold jewelry, the only other way that the average person has easy access to gold, it would cost at least twice that much.
It is also helpful to remember  the current fear factor it great, and we are living in times when people will pay anything just to feel a little safer.
For instance guns and ammunition sales are skyrocketing, even though there is only so much one can use.
A friend of mine sold a gun for twice of what it would fetched a year ago, to a guy who already had many guns.
There is no logic to the inflation, just scared people who have more money than sense.
Which I mean literally, because if things come to pass as the fear mongers predict, gold and guns are not going to help that much.
The food will not be sale, and will be surrounds by land mines and other high explosives, not pea shooters.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Nah... this is Germany we are talking about...</title>
	<author>denzacar</author>
	<datestamp>1245232620000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are just getting rid of all that excess dental gold from about 70 years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are just getting rid of all that excess dental gold from about 70 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are just getting rid of all that excess dental gold from about 70 years ago.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367673</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>tthomas48</author>
	<datestamp>1245240960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but look at the run-up in prices on ammunition and guns. Both are completely non-scarce commodities, made scarce by silly fear-mongering. So yes. Suckers will buy them. Guns, ammunition and gold from vending machines - the beanie babies of the Obama administration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but look at the run-up in prices on ammunition and guns .
Both are completely non-scarce commodities , made scarce by silly fear-mongering .
So yes .
Suckers will buy them .
Guns , ammunition and gold from vending machines - the beanie babies of the Obama administration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but look at the run-up in prices on ammunition and guns.
Both are completely non-scarce commodities, made scarce by silly fear-mongering.
So yes.
Suckers will buy them.
Guns, ammunition and gold from vending machines - the beanie babies of the Obama administration.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368315</id>
	<title>Re:Poor kids</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245246480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gold is heavier than lead. In order to mistake it for chocolate, you'd have to be...dense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gold is heavier than lead .
In order to mistake it for chocolate , you 'd have to be...dense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gold is heavier than lead.
In order to mistake it for chocolate, you'd have to be...dense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28371669</id>
	<title>A clarification from someone who is kinda involved</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1245325140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disclaimer: I work at the ISP which is handling this from the IT pov.</p><p>TFA is wrong. While the gold is obviously more expensive than what TG buys it at, it is still cheaper than what you, as an end-user, pay for actual physical gold.<br>Bypassing large resellers and banks, both the online shop at <a href="http://gold-super-markt.de/" title="gold-super-markt.de">http://gold-super-markt.de/</a> [gold-super-markt.de] and the vending machines are cheaper than your local bank or jeweler. I am not saying that everyone should rush to buy gold, but if you plan to do so anyway, there is now a discount outlet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disclaimer : I work at the ISP which is handling this from the IT pov.TFA is wrong .
While the gold is obviously more expensive than what TG buys it at , it is still cheaper than what you , as an end-user , pay for actual physical gold.Bypassing large resellers and banks , both the online shop at http : //gold-super-markt.de/ [ gold-super-markt.de ] and the vending machines are cheaper than your local bank or jeweler .
I am not saying that everyone should rush to buy gold , but if you plan to do so anyway , there is now a discount outlet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disclaimer: I work at the ISP which is handling this from the IT pov.TFA is wrong.
While the gold is obviously more expensive than what TG buys it at, it is still cheaper than what you, as an end-user, pay for actual physical gold.Bypassing large resellers and banks, both the online shop at http://gold-super-markt.de/ [gold-super-markt.de] and the vending machines are cheaper than your local bank or jeweler.
I am not saying that everyone should rush to buy gold, but if you plan to do so anyway, there is now a discount outlet.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365833</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245230940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just thought I'd point out that ammo does store pretty well- at least as well as glass bottles of volatile fluid. I regularly fire pre-ww2 surplus ammunition without issues.</p><p>Ammunition, especially<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.22lr,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.30-06,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.223, and other common hunting calibers will always be a good investment. If I could send a letter to myself but 10 years earlier, one of the first sentences would be "Buy ammo!" (along with apple and google stock, of course). I could have more than doubled my money buying and selling ammo if I had know prices would skyrocket when they did.</p><p>When worst comes to worst, you can make your own gunpowder, cast your own bullets, and make your own guns. In a military conflict, however, the people with brass-cased ammunition will beat the muskets.</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just thought I 'd point out that ammo does store pretty well- at least as well as glass bottles of volatile fluid .
I regularly fire pre-ww2 surplus ammunition without issues.Ammunition , especially .22lr , .30-06 , .223 , and other common hunting calibers will always be a good investment .
If I could send a letter to myself but 10 years earlier , one of the first sentences would be " Buy ammo !
" ( along with apple and google stock , of course ) .
I could have more than doubled my money buying and selling ammo if I had know prices would skyrocket when they did.When worst comes to worst , you can make your own gunpowder , cast your own bullets , and make your own guns .
In a military conflict , however , the people with brass-cased ammunition will beat the muskets.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just thought I'd point out that ammo does store pretty well- at least as well as glass bottles of volatile fluid.
I regularly fire pre-ww2 surplus ammunition without issues.Ammunition, especially .22lr, .30-06, .223, and other common hunting calibers will always be a good investment.
If I could send a letter to myself but 10 years earlier, one of the first sentences would be "Buy ammo!
" (along with apple and google stock, of course).
I could have more than doubled my money buying and selling ammo if I had know prices would skyrocket when they did.When worst comes to worst, you can make your own gunpowder, cast your own bullets, and make your own guns.
In a military conflict, however, the people with brass-cased ammunition will beat the muskets.-b</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365603</id>
	<title>Interesting idea but</title>
	<author>Arancaytar</author>
	<datestamp>1245229860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a fucking ripoff.</p><p>The gold price is already inflated by the crisis. It may rise further, but to buy it at 30\% above market value requires a lot of faith. It's not as if gold is getting any rarer.</p><p>However, it is a very clever business idea. Gold glitters very nicely, and you can entice poor people with the shine of a small, overpriced gold bar while letting them justify it as "an investment in the future". I'm sure they'll make lots and lots of money off something marginally less deceptive than a slots machine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a fucking ripoff.The gold price is already inflated by the crisis .
It may rise further , but to buy it at 30 \ % above market value requires a lot of faith .
It 's not as if gold is getting any rarer.However , it is a very clever business idea .
Gold glitters very nicely , and you can entice poor people with the shine of a small , overpriced gold bar while letting them justify it as " an investment in the future " .
I 'm sure they 'll make lots and lots of money off something marginally less deceptive than a slots machine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a fucking ripoff.The gold price is already inflated by the crisis.
It may rise further, but to buy it at 30\% above market value requires a lot of faith.
It's not as if gold is getting any rarer.However, it is a very clever business idea.
Gold glitters very nicely, and you can entice poor people with the shine of a small, overpriced gold bar while letting them justify it as "an investment in the future".
I'm sure they'll make lots and lots of money off something marginally less deceptive than a slots machine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28371679</id>
	<title>Re:Poor kids</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1245325320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For 250 bucks you will not get a bar. Rather a small coin.</p><p>Yeah. That's how worthless that credit-based "money" is.<br>And in two years, you will get 350 bucks for the same coin it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For 250 bucks you will not get a bar .
Rather a small coin.Yeah .
That 's how worthless that credit-based " money " is.And in two years , you will get 350 bucks for the same coin it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For 250 bucks you will not get a bar.
Rather a small coin.Yeah.
That's how worthless that credit-based "money" is.And in two years, you will get 350 bucks for the same coin it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368005</id>
	<title>Where do you even sell gold?</title>
	<author>MartinSchou</author>
	<datestamp>1245243780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously?</p><p>I know of no stores that will accept gold as payment (unless it's in official currency, and then it's just cash anyway). I haven't asked around, but I also suspect that my local bank would be very recluctant to cash it for me. I certainly wouldn't expect any random bank to do it for me.</p><p>We don't have such around here, but would pawnbrokers even give you close to a decent deal on gold? I.e. if you're paying a 30\% markup on buying and then paying a 30\% markup on sellng, you'd end up with 49\% of the original cash value, so why even bother?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ? I know of no stores that will accept gold as payment ( unless it 's in official currency , and then it 's just cash anyway ) .
I have n't asked around , but I also suspect that my local bank would be very recluctant to cash it for me .
I certainly would n't expect any random bank to do it for me.We do n't have such around here , but would pawnbrokers even give you close to a decent deal on gold ?
I.e. if you 're paying a 30 \ % markup on buying and then paying a 30 \ % markup on sellng , you 'd end up with 49 \ % of the original cash value , so why even bother ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?I know of no stores that will accept gold as payment (unless it's in official currency, and then it's just cash anyway).
I haven't asked around, but I also suspect that my local bank would be very recluctant to cash it for me.
I certainly wouldn't expect any random bank to do it for me.We don't have such around here, but would pawnbrokers even give you close to a decent deal on gold?
I.e. if you're paying a 30\% markup on buying and then paying a 30\% markup on sellng, you'd end up with 49\% of the original cash value, so why even bother?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364917</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245269700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>There are many other ways to purchase gold as an investment that eliminate the above issues.  Gold ETF's are one.  They are easy to trade and move in and out of.  There are services that will let me purchase gold and store it at their locations, and will certify the amounts as to avoid purity issues as well as security issues.</p></div><p>Like they actually have anywhere near the amount of gold they deal with in bits?</p></div>
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<tokenext>There are many other ways to purchase gold as an investment that eliminate the above issues .
Gold ETF 's are one .
They are easy to trade and move in and out of .
There are services that will let me purchase gold and store it at their locations , and will certify the amounts as to avoid purity issues as well as security issues.Like they actually have anywhere near the amount of gold they deal with in bits ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are many other ways to purchase gold as an investment that eliminate the above issues.
Gold ETF's are one.
They are easy to trade and move in and out of.
There are services that will let me purchase gold and store it at their locations, and will certify the amounts as to avoid purity issues as well as security issues.Like they actually have anywhere near the amount of gold they deal with in bits?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365787</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is a lot easier to smuggle through customs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245230640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Many countries don't consider gold to be a monetary instrument, and you would not have to declare it as currency.  The US is one of these countries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Many countries do n't consider gold to be a monetary instrument , and you would not have to declare it as currency .
The US is one of these countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many countries don't consider gold to be a monetary instrument, and you would not have to declare it as currency.
The US is one of these countries.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365455</id>
	<title>Not quite so crazy</title>
	<author>Spacepup</author>
	<datestamp>1245272280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, this can make a lot of sense for Americans working overseas. Defense contractors (my brother in law works for one in Germany) get paid in dollars instead of euros. Depending on how the dollar is faring, some months they take a big hit in pay and are only able to afford the basic necessities after conversion. Other months they fare better. Instead of having their savings in either US dollars or Euros, if they buy gold during the good months, they could then cash it in when the dollar is weak and be able to maintain their quality of life. As opposed to savings being in dollars and having to exchange when the dollar is weak. Or having their savings in euros and when they come back to the states having to convert back in a weak euro market.</p><p>It wouldn't work out for everybody, but Germany has a very large foriegn military presence. So in some ways, it makes sense for people who get paid in one currancy, but need to exchange for something more useful. So if they can exchange for something that holds its value, they wont loose even more when they need to make a withdrawl from their savings.</p><p>As it turns out, exchanging currancy this way is a big market. A trader might only make fractions of a us cent on each dollar exchanged to what ever currency has less value than the dollar, but they trade tens of millions of dollars, wait until the currancy they traded into improves in value, then trade back and make a few million. pretty straight forward, but you need big bucks to make any real money in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , this can make a lot of sense for Americans working overseas .
Defense contractors ( my brother in law works for one in Germany ) get paid in dollars instead of euros .
Depending on how the dollar is faring , some months they take a big hit in pay and are only able to afford the basic necessities after conversion .
Other months they fare better .
Instead of having their savings in either US dollars or Euros , if they buy gold during the good months , they could then cash it in when the dollar is weak and be able to maintain their quality of life .
As opposed to savings being in dollars and having to exchange when the dollar is weak .
Or having their savings in euros and when they come back to the states having to convert back in a weak euro market.It would n't work out for everybody , but Germany has a very large foriegn military presence .
So in some ways , it makes sense for people who get paid in one currancy , but need to exchange for something more useful .
So if they can exchange for something that holds its value , they wont loose even more when they need to make a withdrawl from their savings.As it turns out , exchanging currancy this way is a big market .
A trader might only make fractions of a us cent on each dollar exchanged to what ever currency has less value than the dollar , but they trade tens of millions of dollars , wait until the currancy they traded into improves in value , then trade back and make a few million .
pretty straight forward , but you need big bucks to make any real money in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, this can make a lot of sense for Americans working overseas.
Defense contractors (my brother in law works for one in Germany) get paid in dollars instead of euros.
Depending on how the dollar is faring, some months they take a big hit in pay and are only able to afford the basic necessities after conversion.
Other months they fare better.
Instead of having their savings in either US dollars or Euros, if they buy gold during the good months, they could then cash it in when the dollar is weak and be able to maintain their quality of life.
As opposed to savings being in dollars and having to exchange when the dollar is weak.
Or having their savings in euros and when they come back to the states having to convert back in a weak euro market.It wouldn't work out for everybody, but Germany has a very large foriegn military presence.
So in some ways, it makes sense for people who get paid in one currancy, but need to exchange for something more useful.
So if they can exchange for something that holds its value, they wont loose even more when they need to make a withdrawl from their savings.As it turns out, exchanging currancy this way is a big market.
A trader might only make fractions of a us cent on each dollar exchanged to what ever currency has less value than the dollar, but they trade tens of millions of dollars, wait until the currancy they traded into improves in value, then trade back and make a few million.
pretty straight forward, but you need big bucks to make any real money in it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28369403</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>CodeBuster</author>
	<datestamp>1245257520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why as an investor would I pay a 30\% premium to purchase physical gold?</p></div><p>Agreed. Investor premium for gold should be 7-13\% above spot depending upon the product. Anything more than that is a gold dealer taking advantage of an inexperienced buyer.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it.</p></div><p>Among the convenient properties of gold is that a large amount of exchange value can be stored in a commodity which is quite compact. At the current price of ~$970.4 per troy ounce a 1 kilogram bar with a spot price value of $31,198.36 only takes up 4 1/2' X 2" X 3/8" or 117mm X 53mm X 8.7mm. There are not many other valuable exchange commodities about which that can be said; even an equivalent stack of $100 bills would probably take up more space than that.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold? How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz? What if I drilled and filled it?</p></div><p>There again gold provides an easy answer. There are not many commodities and none worth less than the gold itself that could be used for the "filler" because of the high density of gold among other unique physical properties. There is a reason why gold has classically been chosen, where available in sufficient quantity, to be the exchange commodity. It is difficult or impossible to fake the actual gold content without the fake being almost immediately obvious to anyone who handles gold on a regular basis and doubly so when the gold object in question is standardized into a solid ingot or coin. You shouldn't have any trouble selling your gold back into the marketplace at any gold dealer in any major city. There are dealers in the gold and jewelry districts of major cities like New York and Los Angeles who will readily buy back your gold at spot prices. If you want to dispose of larger quantities of gold at one time then you might have to call around and make arrangements in advance, but generally the gold markets are almost as liquid as cash.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There are many other ways to purchase gold as an investment that eliminate the above issues. Gold ETF's are one.</p></div><p>Some people want physical possession of their gold or they don't want to pay the storage fees; to each his own after all. If one is dealing in larger quantities of gold then ETF's can be quite practical, but for smaller holders the advantages are somewhat lessened over simply keeping personal gold in a hidden safe or safe deposit box at a bank. For the truly paranoid, nothing less than physical possession will do.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>There are services that will let me purchase gold and store it at their locations, and will certify the amounts as to avoid purity issues as well as security issues.</p></div><p>Yes, those are the main advantages of gold ETFs. However, don't some ETFs have rather high minimum amounts (i.e. at least 1 kilo) and increments?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If you truly believe that the world economies are going to collapse why bother to buy gold at all? You should be buying guns. Believe me, you'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.</p></div><p>Guns would be useful, no doubt about that, but gold would be useful too. Think about the purpose that gold serves. In the absence of a "money" commodity every transaction is done by barter and suffers from what economists call the "coincidence of needs and wants". Suppose that the two of us meet in the typical post apocalyptic setting and rather than shooting each other on site we exchange greetings and attempt to barter. Suppose that you need ammunition and that I have some to trade, but that I want compressed natural gas for my camping stove. If you don't have gas cylinders or anything else to trade that I want then you will first have to find someone else who has gas cylinders and will trade with you and then come back and trade me for the ammunition. Obviously this becomes tiresome rather quickly for everyone involved in a barter economy and so a "money" commodity eventually arises that every agrees to accept simply for the sake of convenience (this has occurred numerous times in separate parts of the world and completely independently throughout history; so it is a well established precedent that once civilization moves beyond the tribal level money inevitably evolves out of the barter system). Gold is a convenient and efficient money commodity because it is compact, does not spoil, is easily divisible and recognizable, and sufficiently uncommon so that it cannot simply be picked up anywhere off the ground. So that is the long answer to why gold would be useful even "after the bomb" with no centralized authorities around. Communities would inevitably form eventually and when money was needed (as it surely would be eventually) and gold is available then gold will most likely be it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Interesting idea but only suckers will buy from them.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></div><p>One thing that I can say with great certainty is that there is no shortage of them in this world...</p></div>
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<tokenext>Why as an investor would I pay a 30 \ % premium to purchase physical gold ? Agreed .
Investor premium for gold should be 7-13 \ % above spot depending upon the product .
Anything more than that is a gold dealer taking advantage of an inexperienced buyer.Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it.Among the convenient properties of gold is that a large amount of exchange value can be stored in a commodity which is quite compact .
At the current price of ~ $ 970.4 per troy ounce a 1 kilogram bar with a spot price value of $ 31,198.36 only takes up 4 1/2 ' X 2 " X 3/8 " or 117mm X 53mm X 8.7mm .
There are not many other valuable exchange commodities about which that can be said ; even an equivalent stack of $ 100 bills would probably take up more space than that.I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I 've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I have n't tampered with the gold ?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz ?
What if I drilled and filled it ? There again gold provides an easy answer .
There are not many commodities and none worth less than the gold itself that could be used for the " filler " because of the high density of gold among other unique physical properties .
There is a reason why gold has classically been chosen , where available in sufficient quantity , to be the exchange commodity .
It is difficult or impossible to fake the actual gold content without the fake being almost immediately obvious to anyone who handles gold on a regular basis and doubly so when the gold object in question is standardized into a solid ingot or coin .
You should n't have any trouble selling your gold back into the marketplace at any gold dealer in any major city .
There are dealers in the gold and jewelry districts of major cities like New York and Los Angeles who will readily buy back your gold at spot prices .
If you want to dispose of larger quantities of gold at one time then you might have to call around and make arrangements in advance , but generally the gold markets are almost as liquid as cash.There are many other ways to purchase gold as an investment that eliminate the above issues .
Gold ETF 's are one.Some people want physical possession of their gold or they do n't want to pay the storage fees ; to each his own after all .
If one is dealing in larger quantities of gold then ETF 's can be quite practical , but for smaller holders the advantages are somewhat lessened over simply keeping personal gold in a hidden safe or safe deposit box at a bank .
For the truly paranoid , nothing less than physical possession will do.There are services that will let me purchase gold and store it at their locations , and will certify the amounts as to avoid purity issues as well as security issues.Yes , those are the main advantages of gold ETFs .
However , do n't some ETFs have rather high minimum amounts ( i.e .
at least 1 kilo ) and increments ? If you truly believe that the world economies are going to collapse why bother to buy gold at all ?
You should be buying guns .
Believe me , you 'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.Guns would be useful , no doubt about that , but gold would be useful too .
Think about the purpose that gold serves .
In the absence of a " money " commodity every transaction is done by barter and suffers from what economists call the " coincidence of needs and wants " .
Suppose that the two of us meet in the typical post apocalyptic setting and rather than shooting each other on site we exchange greetings and attempt to barter .
Suppose that you need ammunition and that I have some to trade , but that I want compressed natural gas for my camping stove .
If you do n't have gas cylinders or anything else to trade that I want then you will first have to find someone else who has gas cylinders and will trade with you and then come back and trade me for the ammunition .
Obviously this becomes tiresome rather quickly for everyone involved in a barter economy and so a " money " commodity eventually arises that every agrees to accept simply for the sake of convenience ( this has occurred numerous times in separate parts of the world and completely independently throughout history ; so it is a well established precedent that once civilization moves beyond the tribal level money inevitably evolves out of the barter system ) .
Gold is a convenient and efficient money commodity because it is compact , does not spoil , is easily divisible and recognizable , and sufficiently uncommon so that it can not simply be picked up anywhere off the ground .
So that is the long answer to why gold would be useful even " after the bomb " with no centralized authorities around .
Communities would inevitably form eventually and when money was needed ( as it surely would be eventually ) and gold is available then gold will most likely be it.Interesting idea but only suckers will buy from them .
: - ) One thing that I can say with great certainty is that there is no shortage of them in this world.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why as an investor would I pay a 30\% premium to purchase physical gold?Agreed.
Investor premium for gold should be 7-13\% above spot depending upon the product.
Anything more than that is a gold dealer taking advantage of an inexperienced buyer.Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it.Among the convenient properties of gold is that a large amount of exchange value can be stored in a commodity which is quite compact.
At the current price of ~$970.4 per troy ounce a 1 kilogram bar with a spot price value of $31,198.36 only takes up 4 1/2' X 2" X 3/8" or 117mm X 53mm X 8.7mm.
There are not many other valuable exchange commodities about which that can be said; even an equivalent stack of $100 bills would probably take up more space than that.I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz?
What if I drilled and filled it?There again gold provides an easy answer.
There are not many commodities and none worth less than the gold itself that could be used for the "filler" because of the high density of gold among other unique physical properties.
There is a reason why gold has classically been chosen, where available in sufficient quantity, to be the exchange commodity.
It is difficult or impossible to fake the actual gold content without the fake being almost immediately obvious to anyone who handles gold on a regular basis and doubly so when the gold object in question is standardized into a solid ingot or coin.
You shouldn't have any trouble selling your gold back into the marketplace at any gold dealer in any major city.
There are dealers in the gold and jewelry districts of major cities like New York and Los Angeles who will readily buy back your gold at spot prices.
If you want to dispose of larger quantities of gold at one time then you might have to call around and make arrangements in advance, but generally the gold markets are almost as liquid as cash.There are many other ways to purchase gold as an investment that eliminate the above issues.
Gold ETF's are one.Some people want physical possession of their gold or they don't want to pay the storage fees; to each his own after all.
If one is dealing in larger quantities of gold then ETF's can be quite practical, but for smaller holders the advantages are somewhat lessened over simply keeping personal gold in a hidden safe or safe deposit box at a bank.
For the truly paranoid, nothing less than physical possession will do.There are services that will let me purchase gold and store it at their locations, and will certify the amounts as to avoid purity issues as well as security issues.Yes, those are the main advantages of gold ETFs.
However, don't some ETFs have rather high minimum amounts (i.e.
at least 1 kilo) and increments?If you truly believe that the world economies are going to collapse why bother to buy gold at all?
You should be buying guns.
Believe me, you'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.Guns would be useful, no doubt about that, but gold would be useful too.
Think about the purpose that gold serves.
In the absence of a "money" commodity every transaction is done by barter and suffers from what economists call the "coincidence of needs and wants".
Suppose that the two of us meet in the typical post apocalyptic setting and rather than shooting each other on site we exchange greetings and attempt to barter.
Suppose that you need ammunition and that I have some to trade, but that I want compressed natural gas for my camping stove.
If you don't have gas cylinders or anything else to trade that I want then you will first have to find someone else who has gas cylinders and will trade with you and then come back and trade me for the ammunition.
Obviously this becomes tiresome rather quickly for everyone involved in a barter economy and so a "money" commodity eventually arises that every agrees to accept simply for the sake of convenience (this has occurred numerous times in separate parts of the world and completely independently throughout history; so it is a well established precedent that once civilization moves beyond the tribal level money inevitably evolves out of the barter system).
Gold is a convenient and efficient money commodity because it is compact, does not spoil, is easily divisible and recognizable, and sufficiently uncommon so that it cannot simply be picked up anywhere off the ground.
So that is the long answer to why gold would be useful even "after the bomb" with no centralized authorities around.
Communities would inevitably form eventually and when money was needed (as it surely would be eventually) and gold is available then gold will most likely be it.Interesting idea but only suckers will buy from them.
:-)One thing that I can say with great certainty is that there is no shortage of them in this world...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367941</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245243360000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>end.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>end .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>end.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28394553</id>
	<title>30\% markup? is that all?</title>
	<author>-=Moridin=-</author>
	<datestamp>1245444840000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Here's a little exercise for you: calculate the markup on the soft drinks, candy bars, and chips in the vending machines in your place of work, versus what you'd pay for those same items if you bought a pack/case of them at the grocery store.</p><p>I bet you'll find the markup far exceeds 30\%.</p><p>
Why? Because the the business model of vending machines is to entice the consumer to pay a massive premium in order to have the product <strong>right now</strong>. It's all about enticing and encouraging the impulse buy. Thus, there's nothing unreasonable about what TG-Gold-Super-Markt is doing. Hell, for a vending machine, their markup is astoundingly low.
</p><p>
Moreover, these gold vending machines have another advantage working for them, in that <strong>most people don't know where or how to buy precious metals</strong>. If I don't want to pay a 30\% markup on that soft drink, I can go to the grocery store and buy a case for a far less odious premium per bottle/can. But if I want to purchase gold or silver in small quantities (because let's face it: most people aren't wealthy enough to be able to purchase them in large quantities), where would I go? How would I do it? In that light, a 30\% markup for the convenience of having to research the answers to those questions myself might not seem like such a bad deal.
</p><p>
If you anticipate widespread unrest and civil breakdown, you should be stockpiling lead, water, food, silver, and gold, in that order.
</p><p>
If you don't necessarily think that society is about to come unglued, but you'd like to protect the government from surreptitiously stealing your wealth (by inflating the currency and thus devaluing the currency you're holding), buy silver and gold, in that order.
</p><p>
(<a href="http://the-moneychanger.com/" title="the-moneychanger.com" rel="nofollow">The Moneychanger</a> [the-moneychanger.com] has lots of useful information about buying gold and silver, and also offers a <a href="http://the-moneychanger.com/map.phtml" title="the-moneychanger.com" rel="nofollow">monthly allocation plan</a> [the-moneychanger.com]. The <a href="http://bullion.nwtmint.com/" title="nwtmint.com" rel="nofollow">Northwest Territorial Mint</a> [nwtmint.com] sells gold and silver, and their bulk prices for silver rounds and bars are actually quite good (~8\% over spot), because they mint them themselves. Finally, you can often find good deals on eBay, as long as your stick to common bullion coins with a low premium over spot, and purchase only from high-volume sellers with lots and lots of positive feedback.)
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<tokenext>Here 's a little exercise for you : calculate the markup on the soft drinks , candy bars , and chips in the vending machines in your place of work , versus what you 'd pay for those same items if you bought a pack/case of them at the grocery store.I bet you 'll find the markup far exceeds 30 \ % .
Why ? Because the the business model of vending machines is to entice the consumer to pay a massive premium in order to have the product right now .
It 's all about enticing and encouraging the impulse buy .
Thus , there 's nothing unreasonable about what TG-Gold-Super-Markt is doing .
Hell , for a vending machine , their markup is astoundingly low .
Moreover , these gold vending machines have another advantage working for them , in that most people do n't know where or how to buy precious metals .
If I do n't want to pay a 30 \ % markup on that soft drink , I can go to the grocery store and buy a case for a far less odious premium per bottle/can .
But if I want to purchase gold or silver in small quantities ( because let 's face it : most people are n't wealthy enough to be able to purchase them in large quantities ) , where would I go ?
How would I do it ?
In that light , a 30 \ % markup for the convenience of having to research the answers to those questions myself might not seem like such a bad deal .
If you anticipate widespread unrest and civil breakdown , you should be stockpiling lead , water , food , silver , and gold , in that order .
If you do n't necessarily think that society is about to come unglued , but you 'd like to protect the government from surreptitiously stealing your wealth ( by inflating the currency and thus devaluing the currency you 're holding ) , buy silver and gold , in that order .
( The Moneychanger [ the-moneychanger.com ] has lots of useful information about buying gold and silver , and also offers a monthly allocation plan [ the-moneychanger.com ] .
The Northwest Territorial Mint [ nwtmint.com ] sells gold and silver , and their bulk prices for silver rounds and bars are actually quite good ( ~ 8 \ % over spot ) , because they mint them themselves .
Finally , you can often find good deals on eBay , as long as your stick to common bullion coins with a low premium over spot , and purchase only from high-volume sellers with lots and lots of positive feedback .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a little exercise for you: calculate the markup on the soft drinks, candy bars, and chips in the vending machines in your place of work, versus what you'd pay for those same items if you bought a pack/case of them at the grocery store.I bet you'll find the markup far exceeds 30\%.
Why? Because the the business model of vending machines is to entice the consumer to pay a massive premium in order to have the product right now.
It's all about enticing and encouraging the impulse buy.
Thus, there's nothing unreasonable about what TG-Gold-Super-Markt is doing.
Hell, for a vending machine, their markup is astoundingly low.
Moreover, these gold vending machines have another advantage working for them, in that most people don't know where or how to buy precious metals.
If I don't want to pay a 30\% markup on that soft drink, I can go to the grocery store and buy a case for a far less odious premium per bottle/can.
But if I want to purchase gold or silver in small quantities (because let's face it: most people aren't wealthy enough to be able to purchase them in large quantities), where would I go?
How would I do it?
In that light, a 30\% markup for the convenience of having to research the answers to those questions myself might not seem like such a bad deal.
If you anticipate widespread unrest and civil breakdown, you should be stockpiling lead, water, food, silver, and gold, in that order.
If you don't necessarily think that society is about to come unglued, but you'd like to protect the government from surreptitiously stealing your wealth (by inflating the currency and thus devaluing the currency you're holding), buy silver and gold, in that order.
(The Moneychanger [the-moneychanger.com] has lots of useful information about buying gold and silver, and also offers a monthly allocation plan [the-moneychanger.com].
The Northwest Territorial Mint [nwtmint.com] sells gold and silver, and their bulk prices for silver rounds and bars are actually quite good (~8\% over spot), because they mint them themselves.
Finally, you can often find good deals on eBay, as long as your stick to common bullion coins with a low premium over spot, and purchase only from high-volume sellers with lots and lots of positive feedback.
)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365253</id>
	<title>Re:The machines charge 30\% MORE than trading price</title>
	<author>schmiddy</author>
	<datestamp>1245271200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I missing something? Is there really such a demand for bottled water on the street that the convenience of being able to purchase it from a vending machine warrants a 10000000\% markup?</p><p>In all seriousness, this will be a boon for privacy nuts, the very rich, money launderers, and anyone else too lazy to buy direct for cheaper. Keep in mind that tax evasion is something of a national pastime in Germany.
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<tokenext>Am I missing something ?
Is there really such a demand for bottled water on the street that the convenience of being able to purchase it from a vending machine warrants a 10000000 \ % markup ? In all seriousness , this will be a boon for privacy nuts , the very rich , money launderers , and anyone else too lazy to buy direct for cheaper .
Keep in mind that tax evasion is something of a national pastime in Germany .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I missing something?
Is there really such a demand for bottled water on the street that the convenience of being able to purchase it from a vending machine warrants a 10000000\% markup?In all seriousness, this will be a boon for privacy nuts, the very rich, money launderers, and anyone else too lazy to buy direct for cheaper.
Keep in mind that tax evasion is something of a national pastime in Germany.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365071</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245270360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with pretend gold or pieces of paper that say you have some gold, somewhere, but no you can't have it, is that you don't actually have the gold.</p><p>Gold isn't as special as people think it is, but it is more special than might be apparent just from intellectual consideration. In other words, a smart person will realize gold is only really useful in industrial uses and electronic components due to it's properties. A smarter person will realize that, even if civilization collapses, certain people will still trade food, water, and sex for shiny objects.</p><p>Same thing with diamonds, they're nearly worthless rocks, useful to industry and science. But, oh wow, they're sooo shiny...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D And you know what they say. "Diamonds. She'll pretty much have to."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with pretend gold or pieces of paper that say you have some gold , somewhere , but no you ca n't have it , is that you do n't actually have the gold.Gold is n't as special as people think it is , but it is more special than might be apparent just from intellectual consideration .
In other words , a smart person will realize gold is only really useful in industrial uses and electronic components due to it 's properties .
A smarter person will realize that , even if civilization collapses , certain people will still trade food , water , and sex for shiny objects.Same thing with diamonds , they 're nearly worthless rocks , useful to industry and science .
But , oh wow , they 're sooo shiny... : P : D And you know what they say .
" Diamonds. She 'll pretty much have to .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with pretend gold or pieces of paper that say you have some gold, somewhere, but no you can't have it, is that you don't actually have the gold.Gold isn't as special as people think it is, but it is more special than might be apparent just from intellectual consideration.
In other words, a smart person will realize gold is only really useful in industrial uses and electronic components due to it's properties.
A smarter person will realize that, even if civilization collapses, certain people will still trade food, water, and sex for shiny objects.Same thing with diamonds, they're nearly worthless rocks, useful to industry and science.
But, oh wow, they're sooo shiny... :P :D And you know what they say.
"Diamonds. She'll pretty much have to.
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368513</id>
	<title>Monitored</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1245248580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>All are closely monitored by cameras</p></div></blockquote><p>
So they'll get a good picture of the thief as he makes off with their gold. Yeah, that will stop them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All are closely monitored by cameras So they 'll get a good picture of the thief as he makes off with their gold .
Yeah , that will stop them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All are closely monitored by cameras
So they'll get a good picture of the thief as he makes off with their gold.
Yeah, that will stop them.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28367285</id>
	<title>But why?</title>
	<author>Brandybuck</author>
	<datestamp>1245238320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>As one who has a wide streak of goldbug in me, I must ask the question: why? At 30\% over market price who the hell would buy gold out of a vending machine? If you're the type who thinks inflation is going to stomping Europe so hard that 30\% is an acceptable markup for gold, then you're not the type who's going to be buying gold out of a vending machine.</p><p>Are gold dealers not allowed in Germany or something? Is it illegal to sell out of store fronts? Why the hell pay such a ridiculous markup for a commodity metal? It must be a European thing...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As one who has a wide streak of goldbug in me , I must ask the question : why ?
At 30 \ % over market price who the hell would buy gold out of a vending machine ?
If you 're the type who thinks inflation is going to stomping Europe so hard that 30 \ % is an acceptable markup for gold , then you 're not the type who 's going to be buying gold out of a vending machine.Are gold dealers not allowed in Germany or something ?
Is it illegal to sell out of store fronts ?
Why the hell pay such a ridiculous markup for a commodity metal ?
It must be a European thing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As one who has a wide streak of goldbug in me, I must ask the question: why?
At 30\% over market price who the hell would buy gold out of a vending machine?
If you're the type who thinks inflation is going to stomping Europe so hard that 30\% is an acceptable markup for gold, then you're not the type who's going to be buying gold out of a vending machine.Are gold dealers not allowed in Germany or something?
Is it illegal to sell out of store fronts?
Why the hell pay such a ridiculous markup for a commodity metal?
It must be a European thing...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Low markup for a vending machine</title>
	<author>Fieryphoenix</author>
	<datestamp>1245232380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Volume!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Volume !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Volume!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28375905</id>
	<title>What the...</title>
	<author>JustJenFelice</author>
	<datestamp>1245347580000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>So who, pray tell, wants to be toting around freakin' bricks of gold?!  People get <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view\_all&amp;address=102x1352872" title="democratic...ground.com" rel="nofollow">killed for their freakin' shoes</a> [democratic...ground.com], yet somebody thinks it's a good idea to carry around bricks of gold?</p><p> <em>And they're going to charge 30\% <b>more</b> than current market value?!?</em> </p><p>I'm sorry, but this sounds like the most asinine idea ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So who , pray tell , wants to be toting around freakin ' bricks of gold ? !
People get killed for their freakin ' shoes [ democratic...ground.com ] , yet somebody thinks it 's a good idea to carry around bricks of gold ?
And they 're going to charge 30 \ % more than current market value ? ! ?
I 'm sorry , but this sounds like the most asinine idea ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So who, pray tell, wants to be toting around freakin' bricks of gold?!
People get killed for their freakin' shoes [democratic...ground.com], yet somebody thinks it's a good idea to carry around bricks of gold?
And they're going to charge 30\% more than current market value?!?
I'm sorry, but this sounds like the most asinine idea ever.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28365907</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>CyberLord Seven</author>
	<datestamp>1245231300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>1. Why as an investor would I pay a 30\% premium to purchase physical gold?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Because in this instance you are buying small lots of gold.  If you were to buy gold in larger quantities then you could pay the spot price.</p><blockquote><div><p>2. Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it.</p></div></blockquote><p>
When was the last time your house was broken into?  Would you tell <b>ANYONE</b> that you kept gold in your house?  If not, you probably have little to worry about.
</p><p>Also, you probably have one or more guns in your home loaded and ready.  As the old sign says: Forget about the dog.  Beware of owner!</p><blockquote><div><p>3. I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold? How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz? What if I drilled and filled it?</p></div></blockquote><p>
EUREKA!</p></div>
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<tokenext>1 .
Why as an investor would I pay a 30 \ % premium to purchase physical gold ?
Because in this instance you are buying small lots of gold .
If you were to buy gold in larger quantities then you could pay the spot price.2 .
Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it .
When was the last time your house was broken into ?
Would you tell ANYONE that you kept gold in your house ?
If not , you probably have little to worry about .
Also , you probably have one or more guns in your home loaded and ready .
As the old sign says : Forget about the dog .
Beware of owner ! 3 .
I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I 've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I have n't tampered with the gold ?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz ?
What if I drilled and filled it ?
EUREKA !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Why as an investor would I pay a 30\% premium to purchase physical gold?
Because in this instance you are buying small lots of gold.
If you were to buy gold in larger quantities then you could pay the spot price.2.
Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it.
When was the last time your house was broken into?
Would you tell ANYONE that you kept gold in your house?
If not, you probably have little to worry about.
Also, you probably have one or more guns in your home loaded and ready.
As the old sign says: Forget about the dog.
Beware of owner!3.
I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz?
What if I drilled and filled it?
EUREKA!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28368021</id>
	<title>Re:Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245243960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>But gold? if you have that kind of money, just pick up your phone and call a broker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But gold ?
if you have that kind of money , just pick up your phone and call a broker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But gold?
if you have that kind of money, just pick up your phone and call a broker.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364505</id>
	<title>Poor kids</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245267960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA: "Because of the crisis there is a lot of awareness of gold," he said. "It is also a great gift for children  for them getting gold is like a fairytale."</p><p>Imagine... you hand them a gold bar for those 250 bucks and they try to unwrap it for a few minutes before they realize, nope, it ain't chocolate.</p><p>Truely the gift of a wealthy sadist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " Because of the crisis there is a lot of awareness of gold , " he said .
" It is also a great gift for children for them getting gold is like a fairytale. " Imagine.. .
you hand them a gold bar for those 250 bucks and they try to unwrap it for a few minutes before they realize , nope , it ai n't chocolate.Truely the gift of a wealthy sadist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: "Because of the crisis there is a lot of awareness of gold," he said.
"It is also a great gift for children  for them getting gold is like a fairytale."Imagine...
you hand them a gold bar for those 250 bucks and they try to unwrap it for a few minutes before they realize, nope, it ain't chocolate.Truely the gift of a wealthy sadist.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Stuck Machine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245269460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wouldn't it suck if the little corkscrew thing started to push the gold out and right when it's going to fall it stops and the gold just sits there. Man, that'd be so much worse than not getting a candy bar!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it suck if the little corkscrew thing started to push the gold out and right when it 's going to fall it stops and the gold just sits there .
Man , that 'd be so much worse than not getting a candy bar !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it suck if the little corkscrew thing started to push the gold out and right when it's going to fall it stops and the gold just sits there.
Man, that'd be so much worse than not getting a candy bar!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28366391</id>
	<title>Re:Gold is the currency of the future</title>
	<author>Archwyrm</author>
	<datestamp>1245233640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Porn stores usually end up on your bill with an obscure or inconspicuous name like 101ACMESTUF or Bob's Hardware Shop<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..so I've heard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Porn stores usually end up on your bill with an obscure or inconspicuous name like 101ACMESTUF or Bob 's Hardware Shop ..so I 've heard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Porn stores usually end up on your bill with an obscure or inconspicuous name like 101ACMESTUF or Bob's Hardware Shop ..so I've heard.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364813</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364597</id>
	<title>Re:Extension of a "scam"?</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1245268320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is this the next level of the Cash For Gold commercials that seem to be everywhere? Buy gold off of people at a ridiculously low price,s melt it down, resell it at a stupidly high price, and the keep repeating the cycle.</p></div><p>I think we finally uncovered Ron Paul's endgame.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Is this the next level of the Cash For Gold commercials that seem to be everywhere ?
Buy gold off of people at a ridiculously low price,s melt it down , resell it at a stupidly high price , and the keep repeating the cycle.I think we finally uncovered Ron Paul 's endgame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this the next level of the Cash For Gold commercials that seem to be everywhere?
Buy gold off of people at a ridiculously low price,s melt it down, resell it at a stupidly high price, and the keep repeating the cycle.I think we finally uncovered Ron Paul's endgame.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364529</id>
	<title>Gold is the currency of the future</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245268020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>For all black market dealings anyway. Once they phase out cash in favour of a more monitored and traceable cashless alternative the value of this stuff is going through the roof. <br> <br>

Gold holds its value like nothing else and if you're brought up to court by the RIAA it's going to be a lot harder to take your gold than it is for them to change the sign on your bank balance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For all black market dealings anyway .
Once they phase out cash in favour of a more monitored and traceable cashless alternative the value of this stuff is going through the roof .
Gold holds its value like nothing else and if you 're brought up to court by the RIAA it 's going to be a lot harder to take your gold than it is for them to change the sign on your bank balance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For all black market dealings anyway.
Once they phase out cash in favour of a more monitored and traceable cashless alternative the value of this stuff is going through the roof.
Gold holds its value like nothing else and if you're brought up to court by the RIAA it's going to be a lot harder to take your gold than it is for them to change the sign on your bank balance.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1657231.28364571</id>
	<title>Interesting but inherently flawed!</title>
	<author>jchawk</author>
	<datestamp>1245268140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is certainly an interesting concept but I have a handful of concerns -</p><p>1.  Why as an investor would I pay a 30\% premium to purchase physical gold?<br>2.  Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it.<br>3.  I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold?  How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz?  What if I drilled and filled it?</p><p>There are many other ways to purchase gold as an investment that eliminate the above issues.  Gold ETF's are one.  They are easy to trade and move in and out of.  There are services that will let me purchase gold and store it at their locations, and will certify the amounts as to avoid purity issues as well as security issues.</p><p>If you truly believe that the world economies are going to collapse why bother to buy gold at all?  You should be buying guns.  Believe me, you'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.</p><p>Interesting idea but only suckers will buy from them.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is certainly an interesting concept but I have a handful of concerns -1 .
Why as an investor would I pay a 30 \ % premium to purchase physical gold ? 2 .
Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it.3 .
I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I 've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I have n't tampered with the gold ?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz ?
What if I drilled and filled it ? There are many other ways to purchase gold as an investment that eliminate the above issues .
Gold ETF 's are one .
They are easy to trade and move in and out of .
There are services that will let me purchase gold and store it at their locations , and will certify the amounts as to avoid purity issues as well as security issues.If you truly believe that the world economies are going to collapse why bother to buy gold at all ?
You should be buying guns .
Believe me , you 'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.Interesting idea but only suckers will buy from them .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is certainly an interesting concept but I have a handful of concerns -1.
Why as an investor would I pay a 30\% premium to purchase physical gold?2.
Assuming I would I then have to worry about keeping the gold physically secure once I take possession of it.3.
I run into issues when trying to sell the gold after I've taken possession because how can anyone be sure that I haven't tampered with the gold?
How do they know that 1oz is still 1oz?
What if I drilled and filled it?There are many other ways to purchase gold as an investment that eliminate the above issues.
Gold ETF's are one.
They are easy to trade and move in and out of.
There are services that will let me purchase gold and store it at their locations, and will certify the amounts as to avoid purity issues as well as security issues.If you truly believe that the world economies are going to collapse why bother to buy gold at all?
You should be buying guns.
Believe me, you'll need them to protect more important things like your family and your home.Interesting idea but only suckers will buy from them.
:-)</sentencetext>
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