<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_16_1657255</id>
	<title>A Black Day For Internet Freedom In Germany</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245174600000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Several readers including <a href="http://dieweltistgarnichtso.net/" rel="nofollow">erlehmann</a> and <a href="http://notes.computernotizen.de/" rel="nofollow">tmk</a> wrote to inform us about the <a href="http://netzpolitik.org/2009/the-dawning-of-internet-censorship-in-germany/">dawning of Internet censorship in Germany</a> under the usual guise of protecting the children. <i>"This week, the two big political parties ruling Germany in a coalition held the final talks on their proposed Internet censorship scheme. DNS queries for sites on a list will be given fake answers that lead to a page with a stop sign. The list itself is maintained by the German federal police (Bundeskriminalamt). A protest movement has formed over the course of the last several months, and over 130K citizens have signed a petition protesting the law. Despite this, and despite criticism from all sides, the two parties sped up the process for the law to be signed on Thursday, June 18, 2009."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Several readers including erlehmann and tmk wrote to inform us about the dawning of Internet censorship in Germany under the usual guise of protecting the children .
" This week , the two big political parties ruling Germany in a coalition held the final talks on their proposed Internet censorship scheme .
DNS queries for sites on a list will be given fake answers that lead to a page with a stop sign .
The list itself is maintained by the German federal police ( Bundeskriminalamt ) .
A protest movement has formed over the course of the last several months , and over 130K citizens have signed a petition protesting the law .
Despite this , and despite criticism from all sides , the two parties sped up the process for the law to be signed on Thursday , June 18 , 2009 .
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<sentencetext>Several readers including erlehmann and tmk wrote to inform us about the dawning of Internet censorship in Germany under the usual guise of protecting the children.
"This week, the two big political parties ruling Germany in a coalition held the final talks on their proposed Internet censorship scheme.
DNS queries for sites on a list will be given fake answers that lead to a page with a stop sign.
The list itself is maintained by the German federal police (Bundeskriminalamt).
A protest movement has formed over the course of the last several months, and over 130K citizens have signed a petition protesting the law.
Despite this, and despite criticism from all sides, the two parties sped up the process for the law to be signed on Thursday, June 18, 2009.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351577</id>
	<title>Herr Godwin has entered the building</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245181920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally, as topic that virtually Godwin Rules itself!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , as topic that virtually Godwin Rules itself !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, as topic that virtually Godwin Rules itself!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352965</id>
	<title>Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again...</title>
	<author>Taibhsear</author>
	<datestamp>1245144240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and they see the power of porn in general on the net, and they are frightened by it.</p></div><p>Apparently you've never seen tv commercials after 10pm in Germany...<br>I've seen some hardcore porn here in America that those commercials put to shame.</p></div>
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<tokenext>and they see the power of porn in general on the net , and they are frightened by it.Apparently you 've never seen tv commercials after 10pm in Germany...I 've seen some hardcore porn here in America that those commercials put to shame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and they see the power of porn in general on the net, and they are frightened by it.Apparently you've never seen tv commercials after 10pm in Germany...I've seen some hardcore porn here in America that those commercials put to shame.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351507</id>
	<title>Does that mean...</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1245181740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does that mean us Americans can be Smug and Snotty to Europeans again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does that mean us Americans can be Smug and Snotty to Europeans again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does that mean us Americans can be Smug and Snotty to Europeans again?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351401</id>
	<title>Sigh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245181320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've always said that there's a small list of things that would make me move out of the USA: martial law/internal checkpoints, national loyalty oaths, military conscription, and national communications filtering. Fortunately, I don't see the USA getting a national Web filter. At least not now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always said that there 's a small list of things that would make me move out of the USA : martial law/internal checkpoints , national loyalty oaths , military conscription , and national communications filtering .
Fortunately , I do n't see the USA getting a national Web filter .
At least not now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always said that there's a small list of things that would make me move out of the USA: martial law/internal checkpoints, national loyalty oaths, military conscription, and national communications filtering.
Fortunately, I don't see the USA getting a national Web filter.
At least not now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351851</id>
	<title>Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245182880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mod parent up! This is easily the most insightful thing I've read on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. in a while.</p><p>This statement:</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... value security and comfort above freedom, because that is how they choose to live their lives.</p></div><p>Not only hits the nail on the head but outlines a fundamental deterioration of society IMHO.</p><p>Alright, perhaps that's going a bit far, but it does hit far closer to home than I'm sure many of us would like.  Like it or not, those of us who value (internet) freedom are soon to be, if not already, socialists/borderline communists at best and anarchists at worst according to many.</p><p>Alright, perhaps THAT'S even going a bit far.  But whatever the case, ultimately something the government doesn't control is something the government will eventually want to control (and we're already past that stage) because they need to "protect" their citizens who can't seem to think for themselves enough to realize that if they don't like something, they should just bloody well not look at it, and STFU given that everyone has different values and no one cares about theirs.  And if their children shouldn't been looking at it, then they should control their bloody children.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Mod parent up !
This is easily the most insightful thing I 've read on / .
in a while.This statement : ... value security and comfort above freedom , because that is how they choose to live their lives.Not only hits the nail on the head but outlines a fundamental deterioration of society IMHO.Alright , perhaps that 's going a bit far , but it does hit far closer to home than I 'm sure many of us would like .
Like it or not , those of us who value ( internet ) freedom are soon to be , if not already , socialists/borderline communists at best and anarchists at worst according to many.Alright , perhaps THAT 'S even going a bit far .
But whatever the case , ultimately something the government does n't control is something the government will eventually want to control ( and we 're already past that stage ) because they need to " protect " their citizens who ca n't seem to think for themselves enough to realize that if they do n't like something , they should just bloody well not look at it , and STFU given that everyone has different values and no one cares about theirs .
And if their children should n't been looking at it , then they should control their bloody children .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up!
This is easily the most insightful thing I've read on /.
in a while.This statement: ... value security and comfort above freedom, because that is how they choose to live their lives.Not only hits the nail on the head but outlines a fundamental deterioration of society IMHO.Alright, perhaps that's going a bit far, but it does hit far closer to home than I'm sure many of us would like.
Like it or not, those of us who value (internet) freedom are soon to be, if not already, socialists/borderline communists at best and anarchists at worst according to many.Alright, perhaps THAT'S even going a bit far.
But whatever the case, ultimately something the government doesn't control is something the government will eventually want to control (and we're already past that stage) because they need to "protect" their citizens who can't seem to think for themselves enough to realize that if they don't like something, they should just bloody well not look at it, and STFU given that everyone has different values and no one cares about theirs.
And if their children shouldn't been looking at it, then they should control their bloody children.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353397</id>
	<title>Re:These parties are also big Linux supporters</title>
	<author>ZeRu</author>
	<datestamp>1245145800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And what a FREE operating system like Linux has to do with Nazis who opposed freedom in any way?<br>
You win the ToTD award, sir.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And what a FREE operating system like Linux has to do with Nazis who opposed freedom in any way ?
You win the ToTD award , sir .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And what a FREE operating system like Linux has to do with Nazis who opposed freedom in any way?
You win the ToTD award, sir.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350583</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28358679</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>bickerdyke</author>
	<datestamp>1245271260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Do you really think that the government doesn't know about other DNS servers?</p></div><p>Yes, after some TV magazine report, I <em>know</em> that they don't think that far.<br>Blocking people from getting there is not the point. Intimidation, and getting the people used to this kind of government, is the real point.</p></div><p>Nah..</p><p>The real point is herding the voters to the ballots by showing them with a token law that at least the government does something against childporn. (and not nothing like agains the economic crisis, environmental pollution, unemployment, problems in education, health system going down.. wait... they did something useles agains the latter one too)</p><p>establishing a censorship infrastructure and getting people used to it is just a welcome side-effect</p></div>
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<tokenext>Do you really think that the government does n't know about other DNS servers ? Yes , after some TV magazine report , I know that they do n't think that far.Blocking people from getting there is not the point .
Intimidation , and getting the people used to this kind of government , is the real point.Nah..The real point is herding the voters to the ballots by showing them with a token law that at least the government does something against childporn .
( and not nothing like agains the economic crisis , environmental pollution , unemployment , problems in education , health system going down.. wait... they did something useles agains the latter one too ) establishing a censorship infrastructure and getting people used to it is just a welcome side-effect</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really think that the government doesn't know about other DNS servers?Yes, after some TV magazine report, I know that they don't think that far.Blocking people from getting there is not the point.
Intimidation, and getting the people used to this kind of government, is the real point.Nah..The real point is herding the voters to the ballots by showing them with a token law that at least the government does something against childporn.
(and not nothing like agains the economic crisis, environmental pollution, unemployment, problems in education, health system going down.. wait... they did something useles agains the latter one too)establishing a censorship infrastructure and getting people used to it is just a welcome side-effect
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	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351591</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351861</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>MoldySpore</author>
	<datestamp>1245182940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Until ISP's hijack OpenDNS queries and redirect them to the ISP's own DNS servers, which will obviously be linked into whatever grand-master evil scheme they have come up with over there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Until ISP 's hijack OpenDNS queries and redirect them to the ISP 's own DNS servers , which will obviously be linked into whatever grand-master evil scheme they have come up with over there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until ISP's hijack OpenDNS queries and redirect them to the ISP's own DNS servers, which will obviously be linked into whatever grand-master evil scheme they have come up with over there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350587</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28356379</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245162360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also, it's "hearsay", as in <strong>say</strong>ing what you <strong>hear</strong>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , it 's " hearsay " , as in saying what you hear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, it's "hearsay", as in saying what you hear.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352673</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351829</id>
	<title>Re:Old news for Finland, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245182760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If English isn't your first language I can understand how "ironic" might apply to his site being blocked, but "irony" is often misused even by Anglophiles who should know better.  In your case I'd say:</p><blockquote><div><p> <b>Predictably</b>, his site is blocked by the child porn list by our Keskusrikospoliisi (federal police).</p></div></blockquote><p>Now for real irony, if the Keskusrikospoliisi had its own website cut off... that would definitely be ironic.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If English is n't your first language I can understand how " ironic " might apply to his site being blocked , but " irony " is often misused even by Anglophiles who should know better .
In your case I 'd say : Predictably , his site is blocked by the child porn list by our Keskusrikospoliisi ( federal police ) .Now for real irony , if the Keskusrikospoliisi had its own website cut off... that would definitely be ironic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If English isn't your first language I can understand how "ironic" might apply to his site being blocked, but "irony" is often misused even by Anglophiles who should know better.
In your case I'd say: Predictably, his site is blocked by the child porn list by our Keskusrikospoliisi (federal police).Now for real irony, if the Keskusrikospoliisi had its own website cut off... that would definitely be ironic.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28371981</id>
	<title>Re:American living in Germany</title>
	<author>OneSmartFellow</author>
	<datestamp>1245328500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What a load of non-sense.  I moved to Germany only three months ago, and have a cell phone, phone line, and high speed internet, all arranged within about a week of my arrival. I don't eat cereal, but if you go to the bigger supermarkets, they stock just about every brand of cereal I have seen in the US.<br> <br>Stop your whining, and get a life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What a load of non-sense .
I moved to Germany only three months ago , and have a cell phone , phone line , and high speed internet , all arranged within about a week of my arrival .
I do n't eat cereal , but if you go to the bigger supermarkets , they stock just about every brand of cereal I have seen in the US .
Stop your whining , and get a life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a load of non-sense.
I moved to Germany only three months ago, and have a cell phone, phone line, and high speed internet, all arranged within about a week of my arrival.
I don't eat cereal, but if you go to the bigger supermarkets, they stock just about every brand of cereal I have seen in the US.
Stop your whining, and get a life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352585</id>
	<title>Why do people obsess about open dns?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245185880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can get the same results by just picking any of the 100,000s of DNS servers out there<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. hell just add 2 root servers as your P/S. Just because your ISP says "use our DNS servers" does not mean you need to.</p><p>As for blocking port 53<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... i don't think they can do that without causing more issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can get the same results by just picking any of the 100,000s of DNS servers out there .. hell just add 2 root servers as your P/S .
Just because your ISP says " use our DNS servers " does not mean you need to.As for blocking port 53 ... i do n't think they can do that without causing more issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can get the same results by just picking any of the 100,000s of DNS servers out there .. hell just add 2 root servers as your P/S.
Just because your ISP says "use our DNS servers" does not mean you need to.As for blocking port 53 ... i don't think they can do that without causing more issues.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28355067</id>
	<title>Delusions of grandeur?</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1245154200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You could show her a room full of scientific studies disproving each and every word she's ever said on the matter - and she wouldn't change her course one inch.</p></div><p>That sounds like delusions.  Well, you say "change her course"---to be specific, delusions are about <em>beliefs</em> you don't change despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary; you're talking about behavior.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>She's acting like the guy who insists on being Napoleon [...]</p></div><p>Assuming Napoleon is grandiose, could you be talking about delusions of grandeur?</p><p>On the other hand, the description on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania</a> [wikipedia.org] doesn't seem to <em>quite</em> fit your description.  But maybe I'm not reading your description right.</p><p>(!MD)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You could show her a room full of scientific studies disproving each and every word she 's ever said on the matter - and she would n't change her course one inch.That sounds like delusions .
Well , you say " change her course " ---to be specific , delusions are about beliefs you do n't change despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary ; you 're talking about behavior.She 's acting like the guy who insists on being Napoleon [ ... ] Assuming Napoleon is grandiose , could you be talking about delusions of grandeur ? On the other hand , the description on http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania [ wikipedia.org ] does n't seem to quite fit your description .
But maybe I 'm not reading your description right .
( ! MD )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could show her a room full of scientific studies disproving each and every word she's ever said on the matter - and she wouldn't change her course one inch.That sounds like delusions.
Well, you say "change her course"---to be specific, delusions are about beliefs you don't change despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary; you're talking about behavior.She's acting like the guy who insists on being Napoleon [...]Assuming Napoleon is grandiose, could you be talking about delusions of grandeur?On the other hand, the description on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalomania [wikipedia.org] doesn't seem to quite fit your description.
But maybe I'm not reading your description right.
(!MD)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352065</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>powerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1245183900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I feel bad for the people in Germany, but I'm glad its not me.</p><p>I'm sure there's a word that describes my secret joy about their bad-luck, but I can't remember it.</p><p>Probably in some foreign language or something.</p><p>(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude</a> [wikipedia.org])</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I feel bad for the people in Germany , but I 'm glad its not me.I 'm sure there 's a word that describes my secret joy about their bad-luck , but I ca n't remember it.Probably in some foreign language or something .
( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude [ wikipedia.org ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I feel bad for the people in Germany, but I'm glad its not me.I'm sure there's a word that describes my secret joy about their bad-luck, but I can't remember it.Probably in some foreign language or something.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude [wikipedia.org])</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350587</id>
	<title>I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>cyborch</author>
	<datestamp>1245178320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>We've had that in Denmark for years now. OpenDNS should be the solution to all of your problems...</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've had that in Denmark for years now .
OpenDNS should be the solution to all of your problems.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've had that in Denmark for years now.
OpenDNS should be the solution to all of your problems...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352745</id>
	<title>Who woulda thunk it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245143340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's amazing to think that these morons didn't learn anything when the let the Holocaust happen.</p><p>Government controlled media is always a bad thing, ALWAYS.  Germany, of all countries, should realize this.</p><p>Man, what the fuck happened to you guys, you used to be industry leaders, now you're all just fucking nuts.  Germany is only one step above the religious nutbags in the middle east, IMHO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's amazing to think that these morons did n't learn anything when the let the Holocaust happen.Government controlled media is always a bad thing , ALWAYS .
Germany , of all countries , should realize this.Man , what the fuck happened to you guys , you used to be industry leaders , now you 're all just fucking nuts .
Germany is only one step above the religious nutbags in the middle east , IMHO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's amazing to think that these morons didn't learn anything when the let the Holocaust happen.Government controlled media is always a bad thing, ALWAYS.
Germany, of all countries, should realize this.Man, what the fuck happened to you guys, you used to be industry leaders, now you're all just fucking nuts.
Germany is only one step above the religious nutbags in the middle east, IMHO</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28358459</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245268920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone tried FoolDns (google for it, don't want to spam over SD)? Seems like an OpenDns not selling away data of their customers and delivering at the same time some sort of DNS poisoning over ADS and Profiling services. And the list of locked is published.<br>So far doesn't seem to poison DNS queries as OpenDns and the browsing experience is completely like AdBlock. I'm using it on a bunch of non tech-savy guys using Internet Explorer and unable to run AdBlock.</p><p>My 2 cents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone tried FoolDns ( google for it , do n't want to spam over SD ) ?
Seems like an OpenDns not selling away data of their customers and delivering at the same time some sort of DNS poisoning over ADS and Profiling services .
And the list of locked is published.So far does n't seem to poison DNS queries as OpenDns and the browsing experience is completely like AdBlock .
I 'm using it on a bunch of non tech-savy guys using Internet Explorer and unable to run AdBlock.My 2 cents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone tried FoolDns (google for it, don't want to spam over SD)?
Seems like an OpenDns not selling away data of their customers and delivering at the same time some sort of DNS poisoning over ADS and Profiling services.
And the list of locked is published.So far doesn't seem to poison DNS queries as OpenDns and the browsing experience is completely like AdBlock.
I'm using it on a bunch of non tech-savy guys using Internet Explorer and unable to run AdBlock.My 2 cents.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350587</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28354157</id>
	<title>Three words</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245149040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Proxy, Tunnel, SSH</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Proxy , Tunnel , SSH</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Proxy, Tunnel, SSH</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28354791</id>
	<title>Re:Well ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245152700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good idea in theory.  Bad idea in practice.  Things will get blocked that no one knows about under the guise of protecting someone.  You can't create an advanced whitelist of things you don't know about yet.  That makes it easy to block dissenting speech.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good idea in theory .
Bad idea in practice .
Things will get blocked that no one knows about under the guise of protecting someone .
You ca n't create an advanced whitelist of things you do n't know about yet .
That makes it easy to block dissenting speech .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good idea in theory.
Bad idea in practice.
Things will get blocked that no one knows about under the guise of protecting someone.
You can't create an advanced whitelist of things you don't know about yet.
That makes it easy to block dissenting speech.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351149</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352845</id>
	<title>There's no need for a DNS...</title>
	<author>telenieko</author>
	<datestamp>1245143820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just use a Proxy out of germany. It's the proxy that makes the DNS requests then, not you.

And the world is full of proxies... You can also use tor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just use a Proxy out of germany .
It 's the proxy that makes the DNS requests then , not you .
And the world is full of proxies... You can also use tor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just use a Proxy out of germany.
It's the proxy that makes the DNS requests then, not you.
And the world is full of proxies... You can also use tor.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351747</id>
	<title>Petition can be signed by Non-Germans</title>
	<author>twunschel</author>
	<datestamp>1245182460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Please note that the e-Petition can also be signed by non-Germans.
Here's a quick explanation (including Video) by the Pirate Party of Germany:

<a href="http://www.piratenpartei-bayern.de/Signing\_the\_e-petition\_for\_Non-Germans" title="piratenpartei-bayern.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.piratenpartei-bayern.de/Signing\_the\_e-petition\_for\_Non-Germans</a> [piratenpartei-bayern.de]

As the Government's server for the petition really sucks it will most likely turn into a pile of crap, but feel free to sign as long as it's online.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please note that the e-Petition can also be signed by non-Germans .
Here 's a quick explanation ( including Video ) by the Pirate Party of Germany : http : //www.piratenpartei-bayern.de/Signing \ _the \ _e-petition \ _for \ _Non-Germans [ piratenpartei-bayern.de ] As the Government 's server for the petition really sucks it will most likely turn into a pile of crap , but feel free to sign as long as it 's online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please note that the e-Petition can also be signed by non-Germans.
Here's a quick explanation (including Video) by the Pirate Party of Germany:

http://www.piratenpartei-bayern.de/Signing\_the\_e-petition\_for\_Non-Germans [piratenpartei-bayern.de]

As the Government's server for the petition really sucks it will most likely turn into a pile of crap, but feel free to sign as long as it's online.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28359753</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1245241920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tor will bypass all their logging. Presumably they know this, but I'm not sure how they intend to fight it.</p><p>In the UK Freedom of Information requests have been made on the subject, but no response so far.</p><p>Even more worrying is what happens when sites from the list leak out. Even if we don't have the full list, as soon as someone visits a blocked site they can note the URL. Then all they need to do is send you an email with an in-line image link pointing to said site (or a hidden image on another site, an iframe etc), and you end up on the paedophile suspect list.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tor will bypass all their logging .
Presumably they know this , but I 'm not sure how they intend to fight it.In the UK Freedom of Information requests have been made on the subject , but no response so far.Even more worrying is what happens when sites from the list leak out .
Even if we do n't have the full list , as soon as someone visits a blocked site they can note the URL .
Then all they need to do is send you an email with an in-line image link pointing to said site ( or a hidden image on another site , an iframe etc ) , and you end up on the paedophile suspect list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tor will bypass all their logging.
Presumably they know this, but I'm not sure how they intend to fight it.In the UK Freedom of Information requests have been made on the subject, but no response so far.Even more worrying is what happens when sites from the list leak out.
Even if we don't have the full list, as soon as someone visits a blocked site they can note the URL.
Then all they need to do is send you an email with an in-line image link pointing to said site (or a hidden image on another site, an iframe etc), and you end up on the paedophile suspect list.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351589</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352777</id>
	<title>Elect someone else doesn't work!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245143520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "elect someone else" option unfortunately doesn't work. Basically there are two big parties (CDU and SPD) and both want the same in most of the cases. So you can be sure that one of them will lead the next government and nothing really changes.</p><p>It's like if in the US there is an important issue where Democrats and Republicans agree on. If you are against their plan, what do you do? What chance is there that a third party is going to take the house or bring up the next president? Guess why Ron Paul ran for the Republicans? Because he knew that as a third party/independent he wouldn't even get on the ballets / into the big TV debates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " elect someone else " option unfortunately does n't work .
Basically there are two big parties ( CDU and SPD ) and both want the same in most of the cases .
So you can be sure that one of them will lead the next government and nothing really changes.It 's like if in the US there is an important issue where Democrats and Republicans agree on .
If you are against their plan , what do you do ?
What chance is there that a third party is going to take the house or bring up the next president ?
Guess why Ron Paul ran for the Republicans ?
Because he knew that as a third party/independent he would n't even get on the ballets / into the big TV debates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "elect someone else" option unfortunately doesn't work.
Basically there are two big parties (CDU and SPD) and both want the same in most of the cases.
So you can be sure that one of them will lead the next government and nothing really changes.It's like if in the US there is an important issue where Democrats and Republicans agree on.
If you are against their plan, what do you do?
What chance is there that a third party is going to take the house or bring up the next president?
Guess why Ron Paul ran for the Republicans?
Because he knew that as a third party/independent he wouldn't even get on the ballets / into the big TV debates.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351779</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352879</id>
	<title>Re:Well ...</title>
	<author>miquels</author>
	<datestamp>1245143940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... let's see, If it were a child pornography site, then yes, I would agree with censorship.</p> </div><p>Really ? I'd rather that the police just go and find the bastards that run the site, shut it down, and throw them in jail.</p><p>Blacklisting is just a "if we can't see it, it isn't there, great we're done" policy, which probably increases the very thing you're trying to prevent.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... let 's see , If it were a child pornography site , then yes , I would agree with censorship .
Really ?
I 'd rather that the police just go and find the bastards that run the site , shut it down , and throw them in jail.Blacklisting is just a " if we ca n't see it , it is n't there , great we 're done " policy , which probably increases the very thing you 're trying to prevent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... let's see, If it were a child pornography site, then yes, I would agree with censorship.
Really ?
I'd rather that the police just go and find the bastards that run the site, shut it down, and throw them in jail.Blacklisting is just a "if we can't see it, it isn't there, great we're done" policy, which probably increases the very thing you're trying to prevent.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351149</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351981</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>bryan1945</author>
	<datestamp>1245183480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Totally off topic-</p><p>As I was scanning the comments, I read yours as "ve need to zee your peppers. Your peppers, bitch."</p><p>Talk about a whopping double take.  My mind is doing backflips trying to put that into a movie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Totally off topic-As I was scanning the comments , I read yours as " ve need to zee your peppers .
Your peppers , bitch .
" Talk about a whopping double take .
My mind is doing backflips trying to put that into a movie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Totally off topic-As I was scanning the comments, I read yours as "ve need to zee your peppers.
Your peppers, bitch.
"Talk about a whopping double take.
My mind is doing backflips trying to put that into a movie.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350809</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351053</id>
	<title>Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again...</title>
	<author>0123456</author>
	<datestamp>1245179940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Read TFA. This is not a 'police state' in the forming.</p></div><p>Indeed not. When the police can decide what you are and aren't allowed to access on the Internet, the police state is already here.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Read TFA .
This is not a 'police state ' in the forming.Indeed not .
When the police can decide what you are and are n't allowed to access on the Internet , the police state is already here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read TFA.
This is not a 'police state' in the forming.Indeed not.
When the police can decide what you are and aren't allowed to access on the Internet, the police state is already here.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350853</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28355163</id>
	<title>silly Europeans</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245154680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Going back to die fr&#195;he Zeiten, all the while thinking that they can lecture Americans on the topic of liberty.</p><p>I hope that all the silly Americans that like to badmouth their country go and move to Europe, and that way put all the silly people together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Going back to die fr   he Zeiten , all the while thinking that they can lecture Americans on the topic of liberty.I hope that all the silly Americans that like to badmouth their country go and move to Europe , and that way put all the silly people together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going back to die frÃhe Zeiten, all the while thinking that they can lecture Americans on the topic of liberty.I hope that all the silly Americans that like to badmouth their country go and move to Europe, and that way put all the silly people together.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28360637</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Saint Fnordius</author>
	<datestamp>1245248820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If anything, the current circumnavigating of the Twitter Freeze within Iran should point out why it's self-defeating in the end to censor traffic. It just doesn't work, and there's no guarantee that it won't be abused.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If anything , the current circumnavigating of the Twitter Freeze within Iran should point out why it 's self-defeating in the end to censor traffic .
It just does n't work , and there 's no guarantee that it wo n't be abused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anything, the current circumnavigating of the Twitter Freeze within Iran should point out why it's self-defeating in the end to censor traffic.
It just doesn't work, and there's no guarantee that it won't be abused.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351591</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352035</id>
	<title>its one thing to talk about ideological censorship</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1245183720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>in the hypothetical</p><p>its another thing to live in a country where an ideological extreme rose to power, and consumed the country (as well as kill many millions in surrounding countries)</p><p>in other words, i can completely understand germany's desire to censor naziism. it isn't some hypothetical nasty kind of speech that is forever on the periphery, like westboro baptist church. it is an ideological school of thought that rose to power and consumed the country. in other words, something genuinely threatening</p><p>not that modern germany is going to succumb to naziism again. but i can understand why a german finds some types of speech especially noxious and ripe for censorship. to them, its not just some sort of hypothetical concept, its a genuine monster that actually did horrible damage</p><p>in other words, we can all agree why westboro baptist church is evil. but we can also agree why westboro church should be allowed free speech. because its all very hypothetical and distantly removed and not threatening</p><p>but what if fred phelps rose to power and took over the country and consumed millions of lives in some retarded hate campaign? then its not so hypothetical anymore. then you might want to suppress the form of speech that allowed such a horrible tragedy to befall your country</p><p>its very easy to talk abotu this hypothetically. its not so easy when you are talking about an ideology which has drawn blood from your country</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in the hypotheticalits another thing to live in a country where an ideological extreme rose to power , and consumed the country ( as well as kill many millions in surrounding countries ) in other words , i can completely understand germany 's desire to censor naziism .
it is n't some hypothetical nasty kind of speech that is forever on the periphery , like westboro baptist church .
it is an ideological school of thought that rose to power and consumed the country .
in other words , something genuinely threateningnot that modern germany is going to succumb to naziism again .
but i can understand why a german finds some types of speech especially noxious and ripe for censorship .
to them , its not just some sort of hypothetical concept , its a genuine monster that actually did horrible damagein other words , we can all agree why westboro baptist church is evil .
but we can also agree why westboro church should be allowed free speech .
because its all very hypothetical and distantly removed and not threateningbut what if fred phelps rose to power and took over the country and consumed millions of lives in some retarded hate campaign ?
then its not so hypothetical anymore .
then you might want to suppress the form of speech that allowed such a horrible tragedy to befall your countryits very easy to talk abotu this hypothetically .
its not so easy when you are talking about an ideology which has drawn blood from your country</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in the hypotheticalits another thing to live in a country where an ideological extreme rose to power, and consumed the country (as well as kill many millions in surrounding countries)in other words, i can completely understand germany's desire to censor naziism.
it isn't some hypothetical nasty kind of speech that is forever on the periphery, like westboro baptist church.
it is an ideological school of thought that rose to power and consumed the country.
in other words, something genuinely threateningnot that modern germany is going to succumb to naziism again.
but i can understand why a german finds some types of speech especially noxious and ripe for censorship.
to them, its not just some sort of hypothetical concept, its a genuine monster that actually did horrible damagein other words, we can all agree why westboro baptist church is evil.
but we can also agree why westboro church should be allowed free speech.
because its all very hypothetical and distantly removed and not threateningbut what if fred phelps rose to power and took over the country and consumed millions of lives in some retarded hate campaign?
then its not so hypothetical anymore.
then you might want to suppress the form of speech that allowed such a horrible tragedy to befall your countryits very easy to talk abotu this hypothetically.
its not so easy when you are talking about an ideology which has drawn blood from your country</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351843</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245182820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you really think the government actually cares about this topic? Noone cares about the effectiveness or let alone the constitutionality of the law. It is only about showing that they care about children and know the internet.</p><p>It won't be long till that law is negated by some court. It will definetly be brought to the court and the judges in Germany tend to care more about the constitution than the politicians. I actually think they only dare to pass these laws because they know they can't be enforced but still help their image.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you really think the government actually cares about this topic ?
Noone cares about the effectiveness or let alone the constitutionality of the law .
It is only about showing that they care about children and know the internet.It wo n't be long till that law is negated by some court .
It will definetly be brought to the court and the judges in Germany tend to care more about the constitution than the politicians .
I actually think they only dare to pass these laws because they know they ca n't be enforced but still help their image .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really think the government actually cares about this topic?
Noone cares about the effectiveness or let alone the constitutionality of the law.
It is only about showing that they care about children and know the internet.It won't be long till that law is negated by some court.
It will definetly be brought to the court and the judges in Germany tend to care more about the constitution than the politicians.
I actually think they only dare to pass these laws because they know they can't be enforced but still help their image.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353195</id>
	<title>The petition is still open, everyone(!) can sign</title>
	<author>moeffju</author>
	<datestamp>1245145020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>By law, everybody(!) can sign, regardless of age, nationality, place of residence, etc.</p><p>There's a step-by-step guide plus video (in English) on how to sign the petition if you don't understand German: <a href="http://www.piratenpartei-bayern.de/Signing\_the\_e-petition\_for\_Non-Germans" title="piratenpartei-bayern.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.piratenpartei-bayern.de/Signing\_the\_e-petition\_for\_Non-Germans</a> [piratenpartei-bayern.de] - also some more info is on the digg article: <a href="http://digg.com/political\_opinion/Official\_Petition\_against\_German\_Internet\_censorship" title="digg.com" rel="nofollow">http://digg.com/political\_opinion/Official\_Petition\_against\_German\_Internet\_censorship</a> [digg.com]</p><p>Also, the petition system's servers suck, and the system is badly implemented. They barely sustained random link traffic, Slashdot will probably reduce it to a smouldering pile of ash. But, post away!</p><p>More information can also be found on Twitter: <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=netzsperren+OR+Zensursula+-RT" title="twitter.com" rel="nofollow">http://search.twitter.com/search?q=netzsperren+OR+Zensursula+-RT</a> [twitter.com]</p><p>The main petitioner twitters at <a href="http://twitter.com/FranziskaHeine" title="twitter.com" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/FranziskaHeine</a> [twitter.com]</p><p>Petition statistics are available at <a href="http://sejmwatch.info/petition-internet-zensur.html" title="sejmwatch.info" rel="nofollow">http://sejmwatch.info/petition-internet-zensur.html</a> [sejmwatch.info]  (in German)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>By law , everybody ( !
) can sign , regardless of age , nationality , place of residence , etc.There 's a step-by-step guide plus video ( in English ) on how to sign the petition if you do n't understand German : http : //www.piratenpartei-bayern.de/Signing \ _the \ _e-petition \ _for \ _Non-Germans [ piratenpartei-bayern.de ] - also some more info is on the digg article : http : //digg.com/political \ _opinion/Official \ _Petition \ _against \ _German \ _Internet \ _censorship [ digg.com ] Also , the petition system 's servers suck , and the system is badly implemented .
They barely sustained random link traffic , Slashdot will probably reduce it to a smouldering pile of ash .
But , post away ! More information can also be found on Twitter : http : //search.twitter.com/search ? q = netzsperren + OR + Zensursula + -RT [ twitter.com ] The main petitioner twitters at http : //twitter.com/FranziskaHeine [ twitter.com ] Petition statistics are available at http : //sejmwatch.info/petition-internet-zensur.html [ sejmwatch.info ] ( in German )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By law, everybody(!
) can sign, regardless of age, nationality, place of residence, etc.There's a step-by-step guide plus video (in English) on how to sign the petition if you don't understand German: http://www.piratenpartei-bayern.de/Signing\_the\_e-petition\_for\_Non-Germans [piratenpartei-bayern.de] - also some more info is on the digg article: http://digg.com/political\_opinion/Official\_Petition\_against\_German\_Internet\_censorship [digg.com]Also, the petition system's servers suck, and the system is badly implemented.
They barely sustained random link traffic, Slashdot will probably reduce it to a smouldering pile of ash.
But, post away!More information can also be found on Twitter: http://search.twitter.com/search?q=netzsperren+OR+Zensursula+-RT [twitter.com]The main petitioner twitters at http://twitter.com/FranziskaHeine [twitter.com]Petition statistics are available at http://sejmwatch.info/petition-internet-zensur.html [sejmwatch.info]  (in German)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28356825</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1245165360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, I'm getting a few replies pointing out examples of government policies to block certain dissidents. I think you'll find, however, that these policies to block dissidents have another side to them, where the expression of such dissidence is, itself, considered offensive (especially the hate speech). So, while I admit what I said was incorrect, I'd like to make a new argument, one that's closer to what I meant.</p><p>I meant that censoring dissidents is rarely, in a functioning democracy (yes Hognoxious, that includes the UK), a policy of a government exclusively. If they do censor dissidents, it is, more often than not, a product of the people the government represents. If they are so offended by Holocaust deniers, and the distress they cause, that they wish to censor them, then the government will likely comply. I have yet to see a democratic government actually manage to usurp their own people in these matters, especially post WWII.</p><p>I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying you should be more worried about your fellow man, rather than the mother of all scapegoats, the government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , I 'm getting a few replies pointing out examples of government policies to block certain dissidents .
I think you 'll find , however , that these policies to block dissidents have another side to them , where the expression of such dissidence is , itself , considered offensive ( especially the hate speech ) .
So , while I admit what I said was incorrect , I 'd like to make a new argument , one that 's closer to what I meant.I meant that censoring dissidents is rarely , in a functioning democracy ( yes Hognoxious , that includes the UK ) , a policy of a government exclusively .
If they do censor dissidents , it is , more often than not , a product of the people the government represents .
If they are so offended by Holocaust deniers , and the distress they cause , that they wish to censor them , then the government will likely comply .
I have yet to see a democratic government actually manage to usurp their own people in these matters , especially post WWII.I 'm not saying it 's right , I 'm just saying you should be more worried about your fellow man , rather than the mother of all scapegoats , the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, I'm getting a few replies pointing out examples of government policies to block certain dissidents.
I think you'll find, however, that these policies to block dissidents have another side to them, where the expression of such dissidence is, itself, considered offensive (especially the hate speech).
So, while I admit what I said was incorrect, I'd like to make a new argument, one that's closer to what I meant.I meant that censoring dissidents is rarely, in a functioning democracy (yes Hognoxious, that includes the UK), a policy of a government exclusively.
If they do censor dissidents, it is, more often than not, a product of the people the government represents.
If they are so offended by Holocaust deniers, and the distress they cause, that they wish to censor them, then the government will likely comply.
I have yet to see a democratic government actually manage to usurp their own people in these matters, especially post WWII.I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying you should be more worried about your fellow man, rather than the mother of all scapegoats, the government.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352673</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352717</id>
	<title>worst part</title>
	<author>Kargoroth</author>
	<datestamp>1245143280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>if there even is something like a worse and less bad part of this horrible story, anyway the worst part is in my opinion the fact that under the german law it is illigal for citizens to disclose those blocklists or parts of that blocklist. <br> You are apparently expected to trust them not to try anything funny if you believe that! (the gem of that story being the fact that a second instance court ruled it were even illigal to link to site which could in turn link to other "bad" sites. <br> There was a story about  <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/03/25/0550235/German-Police-Raid-Homes-of-Wikileaksde-Domain-Owner" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow"> wikileaks </a> [slashdot.org]  story to that account not too long ago (the law wasnt even being passed yet, the fuss was about the australian blocklist!)

now imagine/wait for this: <br>
<br>
"blogger x" guys i found out that that brand new blocking list of our also includes political and other stuff, get a load of this! <br>
"BKA" (kicks down door) you are not allowed to disclose stuff like that citizen! we'll confiscate your hardware as a start, cya in court!</htmltext>
<tokenext>if there even is something like a worse and less bad part of this horrible story , anyway the worst part is in my opinion the fact that under the german law it is illigal for citizens to disclose those blocklists or parts of that blocklist .
You are apparently expected to trust them not to try anything funny if you believe that !
( the gem of that story being the fact that a second instance court ruled it were even illigal to link to site which could in turn link to other " bad " sites .
There was a story about wikileaks [ slashdot.org ] story to that account not too long ago ( the law wasnt even being passed yet , the fuss was about the australian blocklist !
) now imagine/wait for this : " blogger x " guys i found out that that brand new blocking list of our also includes political and other stuff , get a load of this !
" BKA " ( kicks down door ) you are not allowed to disclose stuff like that citizen !
we 'll confiscate your hardware as a start , cya in court !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if there even is something like a worse and less bad part of this horrible story, anyway the worst part is in my opinion the fact that under the german law it is illigal for citizens to disclose those blocklists or parts of that blocklist.
You are apparently expected to trust them not to try anything funny if you believe that!
(the gem of that story being the fact that a second instance court ruled it were even illigal to link to site which could in turn link to other "bad" sites.
There was a story about   wikileaks  [slashdot.org]  story to that account not too long ago (the law wasnt even being passed yet, the fuss was about the australian blocklist!
)

now imagine/wait for this: 

"blogger x" guys i found out that that brand new blocking list of our also includes political and other stuff, get a load of this!
"BKA" (kicks down door) you are not allowed to disclose stuff like that citizen!
we'll confiscate your hardware as a start, cya in court!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353285</id>
	<title>Re:Well ...</title>
	<author>Spatial</author>
	<datestamp>1245145440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If it were a child pornography site, then yes, I would agree with censorship.</p></div><p>Sorry, agree to censorship of what again?  Oh, that's right.  You can't see it.  You don't even know.<br> <br>

What's the point?  No child was ever saved from abuse by an act of censorship.  Targeting symptoms does not cure real problems.  Like rape among adults, most sexual abuse against children is perpetrated by family members.  It can't realistically be fought.  It's appalling, but you can't win.<br> <br>

The harsh reality of it wouldn't go down well, so we end up with the politically convenient stupidity you're advocating.  While righteous puritans pat each other on the back and politicians advance their careers, the suffering of children will continue unabated by your pathetic efforts.  Bravo.<br> <br>

But who cares right?  If you can't see it, it doesn't exist.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it were a child pornography site , then yes , I would agree with censorship.Sorry , agree to censorship of what again ?
Oh , that 's right .
You ca n't see it .
You do n't even know .
What 's the point ?
No child was ever saved from abuse by an act of censorship .
Targeting symptoms does not cure real problems .
Like rape among adults , most sexual abuse against children is perpetrated by family members .
It ca n't realistically be fought .
It 's appalling , but you ca n't win .
The harsh reality of it would n't go down well , so we end up with the politically convenient stupidity you 're advocating .
While righteous puritans pat each other on the back and politicians advance their careers , the suffering of children will continue unabated by your pathetic efforts .
Bravo . But who cares right ?
If you ca n't see it , it does n't exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it were a child pornography site, then yes, I would agree with censorship.Sorry, agree to censorship of what again?
Oh, that's right.
You can't see it.
You don't even know.
What's the point?
No child was ever saved from abuse by an act of censorship.
Targeting symptoms does not cure real problems.
Like rape among adults, most sexual abuse against children is perpetrated by family members.
It can't realistically be fought.
It's appalling, but you can't win.
The harsh reality of it wouldn't go down well, so we end up with the politically convenient stupidity you're advocating.
While righteous puritans pat each other on the back and politicians advance their careers, the suffering of children will continue unabated by your pathetic efforts.
Bravo. 

But who cares right?
If you can't see it, it doesn't exist.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351149</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353631</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245146700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, in reality the only blacklisted domains are thepiratebay.org and another older torrent tracker. And the black listing is only done by 2 ISPs after a court settlement, not after any form of government action or new law.</p><p>So seriously this entire thread is based a misunderstandment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , in reality the only blacklisted domains are thepiratebay.org and another older torrent tracker .
And the black listing is only done by 2 ISPs after a court settlement , not after any form of government action or new law.So seriously this entire thread is based a misunderstandment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, in reality the only blacklisted domains are thepiratebay.org and another older torrent tracker.
And the black listing is only done by 2 ISPs after a court settlement, not after any form of government action or new law.So seriously this entire thread is based a misunderstandment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352123</id>
	<title>Re:Old news for Finland, too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245184140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't find that ironic at all. In fact, that's just what I would've expected would happen. It would only be ironic if the filter was actually just to combat child pornography. Hah. Now <i>that's</i> funny.</p><p>(and as a sidenote, my captcha was "nullify". Indeed.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't find that ironic at all .
In fact , that 's just what I would 've expected would happen .
It would only be ironic if the filter was actually just to combat child pornography .
Hah. Now that 's funny .
( and as a sidenote , my captcha was " nullify " .
Indeed. )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't find that ironic at all.
In fact, that's just what I would've expected would happen.
It would only be ironic if the filter was actually just to combat child pornography.
Hah. Now that's funny.
(and as a sidenote, my captcha was "nullify".
Indeed.)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350849</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351243</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245180720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not the solution. DNS-based censorship is only the first variety. It's been mentioned in the law as the MINIMUM. ISPs can go above and beyong and changes to the law can easily include more intrusive forms of filtering.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not the solution .
DNS-based censorship is only the first variety .
It 's been mentioned in the law as the MINIMUM .
ISPs can go above and beyong and changes to the law can easily include more intrusive forms of filtering .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not the solution.
DNS-based censorship is only the first variety.
It's been mentioned in the law as the MINIMUM.
ISPs can go above and beyong and changes to the law can easily include more intrusive forms of filtering.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350587</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352485</id>
	<title>Re:Well ...</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1245185460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Why is it that people always assume that governments are meddling with their privacy, freedom of speech and freedom of choice when it's the same governments provide a blanket of protection?</p></div></blockquote><p>Blankets can smother you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it that people always assume that governments are meddling with their privacy , freedom of speech and freedom of choice when it 's the same governments provide a blanket of protection ? Blankets can smother you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it that people always assume that governments are meddling with their privacy, freedom of speech and freedom of choice when it's the same governments provide a blanket of protection?Blankets can smother you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351149</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351681</id>
	<title>Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245182220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, because it's not a police state if you only oppress the minorities.  Like the jews.  You can go ahead and oppress jews, as long as the majority wants to do it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because it 's not a police state if you only oppress the minorities .
Like the jews .
You can go ahead and oppress jews , as long as the majority wants to do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because it's not a police state if you only oppress the minorities.
Like the jews.
You can go ahead and oppress jews, as long as the majority wants to do it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350853</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28358993</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>hvidstue</author>
	<datestamp>1245232260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in Denmark.</p><p>As far as I am informed, only piratebay and childporn-sites is banned here. Piratebay can be reached through OpenDNS. The piratebay-banning was issues to one of the ISPs in a court case, and the other ISPs followed the ruling also, as it was evident that they would get the same order, if brought to court. The child-porn ban list is administered by a police task force, who send out lists of sites to the ISPs for banning. There has been a couple of false positives, but no issues, as they were unbanned again as fast as is became clear, that the site did not contain anything illegal.<br>In Denmark, the legislation goes very wide in matters related to freedom of speach (f.ex. the case about the Muhammed-drawings), and the statement is, that I even if I do not agree with you, I am willing to fight for your right to express your opinion.</p><p>Sorry for my bad english<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Denmark.As far as I am informed , only piratebay and childporn-sites is banned here .
Piratebay can be reached through OpenDNS .
The piratebay-banning was issues to one of the ISPs in a court case , and the other ISPs followed the ruling also , as it was evident that they would get the same order , if brought to court .
The child-porn ban list is administered by a police task force , who send out lists of sites to the ISPs for banning .
There has been a couple of false positives , but no issues , as they were unbanned again as fast as is became clear , that the site did not contain anything illegal.In Denmark , the legislation goes very wide in matters related to freedom of speach ( f.ex .
the case about the Muhammed-drawings ) , and the statement is , that I even if I do not agree with you , I am willing to fight for your right to express your opinion.Sorry for my bad english : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Denmark.As far as I am informed, only piratebay and childporn-sites is banned here.
Piratebay can be reached through OpenDNS.
The piratebay-banning was issues to one of the ISPs in a court case, and the other ISPs followed the ruling also, as it was evident that they would get the same order, if brought to court.
The child-porn ban list is administered by a police task force, who send out lists of sites to the ISPs for banning.
There has been a couple of false positives, but no issues, as they were unbanned again as fast as is became clear, that the site did not contain anything illegal.In Denmark, the legislation goes very wide in matters related to freedom of speach (f.ex.
the case about the Muhammed-drawings), and the statement is, that I even if I do not agree with you, I am willing to fight for your right to express your opinion.Sorry for my bad english :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351127</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351797</id>
	<title>Re:Just because it is Germany?</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1245182640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can make an analogy to illegal drugs, where the act of using the drug is illegal, and in addition the government tries to stop drugs from entering the border in the first place. The analogy makes sense well enough, but instead of filtering objects, you are filtering information. Although filtering out CP isn't a problem with most people, the false positives are. There will not be a perfect blacklist, and past and present ones have shown that they can get abused for political gain. One of the hallmarks of police states is government control of information, and one of the hallmarks of democracy is a strong paranoia of anything that could allow the formation of a police state. Unfortunately the police state mindset seems all too popular these days.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can make an analogy to illegal drugs , where the act of using the drug is illegal , and in addition the government tries to stop drugs from entering the border in the first place .
The analogy makes sense well enough , but instead of filtering objects , you are filtering information .
Although filtering out CP is n't a problem with most people , the false positives are .
There will not be a perfect blacklist , and past and present ones have shown that they can get abused for political gain .
One of the hallmarks of police states is government control of information , and one of the hallmarks of democracy is a strong paranoia of anything that could allow the formation of a police state .
Unfortunately the police state mindset seems all too popular these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can make an analogy to illegal drugs, where the act of using the drug is illegal, and in addition the government tries to stop drugs from entering the border in the first place.
The analogy makes sense well enough, but instead of filtering objects, you are filtering information.
Although filtering out CP isn't a problem with most people, the false positives are.
There will not be a perfect blacklist, and past and present ones have shown that they can get abused for political gain.
One of the hallmarks of police states is government control of information, and one of the hallmarks of democracy is a strong paranoia of anything that could allow the formation of a police state.
Unfortunately the police state mindset seems all too popular these days.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351287</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353395</id>
	<title>Contacting politicians</title>
	<author>k2r</author>
	<datestamp>1245145800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're interested in expressing your opinion from an international point of view you may contact the German members of the bundestag here: <a href="http://www.bundestag.de/ausschuesse/a19/mitglieder.html" title="bundestag.de">http://www.bundestag.de/ausschuesse/a19/mitglieder.html</a> [bundestag.de]</p><p>The party that cowardly shied away from a real election campaign because they were afraid of the boulevard press and thus helps installing the censorship is called "SPD", Social Democratic Party.<br>The party that want's to install this censorship-infrastructure without judicial oversight because "Will somebody please think of the children" and of the starving artists is called CDU (Christian Democratical Union) or CSU (Christian Social Union). They eventried to ban paintball and first person shooters a few months ago.</p><p>You can find the website of the cowards and turncoats here: <a href="http://www.spd.de/start/portal/index.html" title="www.spd.de">http://www.spd.de/start/portal/index.html</a> [www.spd.de]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're interested in expressing your opinion from an international point of view you may contact the German members of the bundestag here : http : //www.bundestag.de/ausschuesse/a19/mitglieder.html [ bundestag.de ] The party that cowardly shied away from a real election campaign because they were afraid of the boulevard press and thus helps installing the censorship is called " SPD " , Social Democratic Party.The party that want 's to install this censorship-infrastructure without judicial oversight because " Will somebody please think of the children " and of the starving artists is called CDU ( Christian Democratical Union ) or CSU ( Christian Social Union ) .
They eventried to ban paintball and first person shooters a few months ago.You can find the website of the cowards and turncoats here : http : //www.spd.de/start/portal/index.html [ www.spd.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're interested in expressing your opinion from an international point of view you may contact the German members of the bundestag here: http://www.bundestag.de/ausschuesse/a19/mitglieder.html [bundestag.de]The party that cowardly shied away from a real election campaign because they were afraid of the boulevard press and thus helps installing the censorship is called "SPD", Social Democratic Party.The party that want's to install this censorship-infrastructure without judicial oversight because "Will somebody please think of the children" and of the starving artists is called CDU (Christian Democratical Union) or CSU (Christian Social Union).
They eventried to ban paintball and first person shooters a few months ago.You can find the website of the cowards and turncoats here: http://www.spd.de/start/portal/index.html [www.spd.de]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352427</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245185160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This list then is used to help law enforcement and or they will just come and round all of you up one day."</p><p>PFFFFTTT!!! THAT has NEVER HAPPENED in GERMANY!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This list then is used to help law enforcement and or they will just come and round all of you up one day. " PFFFFTTT ! ! !
THAT has NEVER HAPPENED in GERMANY !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This list then is used to help law enforcement and or they will just come and round all of you up one day."PFFFFTTT!!!
THAT has NEVER HAPPENED in GERMANY!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353485</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245146160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it looks like that then you should be thankful to have one more bastard on there than we do on ours here in the USA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it looks like that then you should be thankful to have one more bastard on there than we do on ours here in the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it looks like that then you should be thankful to have one more bastard on there than we do on ours here in the USA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351565</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353509</id>
	<title>Re:Sigh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245146220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Martial law/internal checkpoints - You can bypass airport security by simply avoiding flying as much as possible, as I do.</p><p>National loyalty oaths - I were not a natural-born US citizen, I couldn't take the oath of citizenship, since it involves agreeing to "bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law". I recently asked my parents "If I were ever disciplined in school for not saying the pledge, would you have gone to the school to fight it?"--the answer was a resounding "Yes!" During my four years as a school sysadmin, I almost never said the pledge, mainly because I was too busy to say it. I've also become more cynical and critical of the USA in the intervening years.</p><p>Military conscription - I'm currently too old to be drafted, and I have since burned my draft card. My dad was of drafting age during Vietnam, and if he had been drafted, I have a strong suspicion he would have either [1] played the student deferment card, or [2] fled to Canada.</p><p>National communications filtering - I have yet to visit a website from my home computer and be greeted with the Websense block page. Unless I forget I had VPNed into work.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>Is it bad here? Yes. But I could be in the UK, where they seem to no longer have the equivalent of our Fifth Amendment. I speak Spanish and have relatives living in Spain, so that's an option too. Or Canada, but I hear they have Sarah Palin.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>Now, do I see a future of emigration control? Who knows? That's currently something reserved only for disasters like Israeli-occupied territory or North Korea, but didn't Germany have it too?</p><p>A Canadian was once permanently banned from the USA by one Customs agent who Googled him and found an admission that he had used pot. If I were banned from the USA...hmmm...maybe luck's on my side.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Martial law/internal checkpoints - You can bypass airport security by simply avoiding flying as much as possible , as I do.National loyalty oaths - I were not a natural-born US citizen , I could n't take the oath of citizenship , since it involves agreeing to " bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law " .
I recently asked my parents " If I were ever disciplined in school for not saying the pledge , would you have gone to the school to fight it ?
" --the answer was a resounding " Yes !
" During my four years as a school sysadmin , I almost never said the pledge , mainly because I was too busy to say it .
I 've also become more cynical and critical of the USA in the intervening years.Military conscription - I 'm currently too old to be drafted , and I have since burned my draft card .
My dad was of drafting age during Vietnam , and if he had been drafted , I have a strong suspicion he would have either [ 1 ] played the student deferment card , or [ 2 ] fled to Canada.National communications filtering - I have yet to visit a website from my home computer and be greeted with the Websense block page .
Unless I forget I had VPNed into work .
: - ) Is it bad here ?
Yes. But I could be in the UK , where they seem to no longer have the equivalent of our Fifth Amendment .
I speak Spanish and have relatives living in Spain , so that 's an option too .
Or Canada , but I hear they have Sarah Palin .
: - ) Now , do I see a future of emigration control ?
Who knows ?
That 's currently something reserved only for disasters like Israeli-occupied territory or North Korea , but did n't Germany have it too ? A Canadian was once permanently banned from the USA by one Customs agent who Googled him and found an admission that he had used pot .
If I were banned from the USA...hmmm...maybe luck 's on my side .
: -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Martial law/internal checkpoints - You can bypass airport security by simply avoiding flying as much as possible, as I do.National loyalty oaths - I were not a natural-born US citizen, I couldn't take the oath of citizenship, since it involves agreeing to "bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by law".
I recently asked my parents "If I were ever disciplined in school for not saying the pledge, would you have gone to the school to fight it?
"--the answer was a resounding "Yes!
" During my four years as a school sysadmin, I almost never said the pledge, mainly because I was too busy to say it.
I've also become more cynical and critical of the USA in the intervening years.Military conscription - I'm currently too old to be drafted, and I have since burned my draft card.
My dad was of drafting age during Vietnam, and if he had been drafted, I have a strong suspicion he would have either [1] played the student deferment card, or [2] fled to Canada.National communications filtering - I have yet to visit a website from my home computer and be greeted with the Websense block page.
Unless I forget I had VPNed into work.
:-)Is it bad here?
Yes. But I could be in the UK, where they seem to no longer have the equivalent of our Fifth Amendment.
I speak Spanish and have relatives living in Spain, so that's an option too.
Or Canada, but I hear they have Sarah Palin.
:-)Now, do I see a future of emigration control?
Who knows?
That's currently something reserved only for disasters like Israeli-occupied territory or North Korea, but didn't Germany have it too?A Canadian was once permanently banned from the USA by one Customs agent who Googled him and found an admission that he had used pot.
If I were banned from the USA...hmmm...maybe luck's on my side.
:-P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28358587</id>
	<title>Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245270240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Today, my son complained to me how he was made fun of at school because he liked John Stuart Mill's theories. He's taking Philosophy classes at a German high school. FML.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Today , my son complained to me how he was made fun of at school because he liked John Stuart Mill 's theories .
He 's taking Philosophy classes at a German high school .
FML .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Today, my son complained to me how he was made fun of at school because he liked John Stuart Mill's theories.
He's taking Philosophy classes at a German high school.
FML.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351039</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353029</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1245144360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>until that is blocked.. They aren't ( totally ) stupid.. just slow to catch up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>until that is blocked.. They are n't ( totally ) stupid.. just slow to catch up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>until that is blocked.. They aren't ( totally ) stupid.. just slow to catch up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351897</id>
	<title>Don't worry...</title>
	<author>Shoe Puppet</author>
	<datestamp>1245183120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>... <a href="http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Walter\_Ulbricht#sourced" title="wikiquote.org" rel="nofollow">no one has the intention to erect a firewall</a> [wikiquote.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>... no one has the intention to erect a firewall [ wikiquote.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... no one has the intention to erect a firewall [wikiquote.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350999</id>
	<title>On German Interwebs...</title>
	<author>arhhook</author>
	<datestamp>1245179700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On German Interwebs, Government Censor You!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On German Interwebs , Government Censor You !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On German Interwebs, Government Censor You!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353177</id>
	<title>Dont think so!</title>
	<author>alderX</author>
	<datestamp>1245144900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Patriot Act, Waterboarding, Wiretapping etc. - Europe is following, but US is still in the lead<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-(</htmltext>
<tokenext>Patriot Act , Waterboarding , Wiretapping etc .
- Europe is following , but US is still in the lead : - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Patriot Act, Waterboarding, Wiretapping etc.
- Europe is following, but US is still in the lead :-(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28355463</id>
	<title>Re:insane politicians</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245156300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ursula von der Leyen... funny, we had someone like that here in the United States, except we spelled their name George W. Bush...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ursula von der Leyen... funny , we had someone like that here in the United States , except we spelled their name George W. Bush.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ursula von der Leyen... funny, we had someone like that here in the United States, except we spelled their name George W. Bush...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352875</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350823</id>
	<title>DNS spoofing is just one way to satisfy the law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245179100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The law demands no specific way of intercepting the traffic, just one that works. If DNS spoofing proves to be unable to satisfy the law, then we will see more drastic measures, like blocking or rerouting access to alternative DNS servers and transparent proxies.</p><p>Officially the proposal is pushed as a means to combat child pornography, but politicians from all involved parties have already hinted at other possible uses for the filtering infrastructure which will be installed. The parties are quick to deny any intent to allow such an extension, but there are even official press releases clearly hinting at a not-so-hidden agenda.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The law demands no specific way of intercepting the traffic , just one that works .
If DNS spoofing proves to be unable to satisfy the law , then we will see more drastic measures , like blocking or rerouting access to alternative DNS servers and transparent proxies.Officially the proposal is pushed as a means to combat child pornography , but politicians from all involved parties have already hinted at other possible uses for the filtering infrastructure which will be installed .
The parties are quick to deny any intent to allow such an extension , but there are even official press releases clearly hinting at a not-so-hidden agenda .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The law demands no specific way of intercepting the traffic, just one that works.
If DNS spoofing proves to be unable to satisfy the law, then we will see more drastic measures, like blocking or rerouting access to alternative DNS servers and transparent proxies.Officially the proposal is pushed as a means to combat child pornography, but politicians from all involved parties have already hinted at other possible uses for the filtering infrastructure which will be installed.
The parties are quick to deny any intent to allow such an extension, but there are even official press releases clearly hinting at a not-so-hidden agenda.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351127</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>lgw</author>
	<datestamp>1245180240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I expect political viewpoints judged "extreme" by those in power are already on the blacklist in Germany.</p><p>Hasn't Denmark put opposition political websites on the blacklist too?  I recal a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. story on that.</p><p>Does anyone <i>really</i> think that blacklisting opposing political viewpoints is merely an "unfortunate side effect" of schemes like this?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I expect political viewpoints judged " extreme " by those in power are already on the blacklist in Germany.Has n't Denmark put opposition political websites on the blacklist too ?
I recal a / .
story on that.Does anyone really think that blacklisting opposing political viewpoints is merely an " unfortunate side effect " of schemes like this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I expect political viewpoints judged "extreme" by those in power are already on the blacklist in Germany.Hasn't Denmark put opposition political websites on the blacklist too?
I recal a /.
story on that.Does anyone really think that blacklisting opposing political viewpoints is merely an "unfortunate side effect" of schemes like this?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350971</id>
	<title>Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245179580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Censorship is *always* backed by the majority.  Doesn't keep it from being a violation of human rights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Censorship is * always * backed by the majority .
Does n't keep it from being a violation of human rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Censorship is *always* backed by the majority.
Doesn't keep it from being a violation of human rights.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352595</id>
	<title>Re:The real discouraging thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245185940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> When your government flat out ignores these things what's left to do? Wait for the next election, elect some other party into the majority and hope they actually behave differently? Just seems like every year things get worse, no matter who's in office.</p></div><p>Unfortunately that seems to be the case in most of the world today.  Our governments are too big, too powerful, and answer only to themselves and their lobbyists.  Our governments control our education, income, etc.  All we can do is wait until it all collapses and people are ticked enough to re-declare the boundaries of state power.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When your government flat out ignores these things what 's left to do ?
Wait for the next election , elect some other party into the majority and hope they actually behave differently ?
Just seems like every year things get worse , no matter who 's in office.Unfortunately that seems to be the case in most of the world today .
Our governments are too big , too powerful , and answer only to themselves and their lobbyists .
Our governments control our education , income , etc .
All we can do is wait until it all collapses and people are ticked enough to re-declare the boundaries of state power .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> When your government flat out ignores these things what's left to do?
Wait for the next election, elect some other party into the majority and hope they actually behave differently?
Just seems like every year things get worse, no matter who's in office.Unfortunately that seems to be the case in most of the world today.
Our governments are too big, too powerful, and answer only to themselves and their lobbyists.
Our governments control our education, income, etc.
All we can do is wait until it all collapses and people are ticked enough to re-declare the boundaries of state power.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351287</id>
	<title>Just because it is Germany?</title>
	<author>stewbacca</author>
	<datestamp>1245180960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
FTA --<p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...to block Internet sites in order to fight child pornography<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... enabling the government to block content containing child pornography.</p> </div><p>I don't get the outrage.  Is it just because it is Germany, and stirs up memories of, "Die Papieren, bitte"?  Otherwise, I don't see how this is any different than shutting down ANY illegitimate business (regardless if it is online or brick-and-mortar).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA -- ...to block Internet sites in order to fight child pornography ... enabling the government to block content containing child pornography .
I do n't get the outrage .
Is it just because it is Germany , and stirs up memories of , " Die Papieren , bitte " ?
Otherwise , I do n't see how this is any different than shutting down ANY illegitimate business ( regardless if it is online or brick-and-mortar ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
FTA -- ...to block Internet sites in order to fight child pornography ... enabling the government to block content containing child pornography.
I don't get the outrage.
Is it just because it is Germany, and stirs up memories of, "Die Papieren, bitte"?
Otherwise, I don't see how this is any different than shutting down ANY illegitimate business (regardless if it is online or brick-and-mortar).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353921</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1245148020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've yet to see any real evidence (rather than here-say, built on speculation, based on some observation made by some paranoid person) that democratic governments actively practice censorship to get rid of dissidents.</p> </div><p>It's called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate\_speech#Laws\_against\_hate\_speech" title="wikipedia.org">hate speech laws</a> [wikipedia.org], and it's pretty widespread. It should be noted that the definition of "hate speech" varies widely, and does not always include only direct incitement to violence. For example, in Germany it is illegal to "insult, maliciously slur or defame" a group of people - ethnic, religious or otherwise - "in a manner violating their human dignity".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've yet to see any real evidence ( rather than here-say , built on speculation , based on some observation made by some paranoid person ) that democratic governments actively practice censorship to get rid of dissidents .
It 's called hate speech laws [ wikipedia.org ] , and it 's pretty widespread .
It should be noted that the definition of " hate speech " varies widely , and does not always include only direct incitement to violence .
For example , in Germany it is illegal to " insult , maliciously slur or defame " a group of people - ethnic , religious or otherwise - " in a manner violating their human dignity " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've yet to see any real evidence (rather than here-say, built on speculation, based on some observation made by some paranoid person) that democratic governments actively practice censorship to get rid of dissidents.
It's called hate speech laws [wikipedia.org], and it's pretty widespread.
It should be noted that the definition of "hate speech" varies widely, and does not always include only direct incitement to violence.
For example, in Germany it is illegal to "insult, maliciously slur or defame" a group of people - ethnic, religious or otherwise - "in a manner violating their human dignity".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350939</id>
	<title>Nazis</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245179460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Adolf, is that you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Adolf , is that you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Adolf, is that you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350583</id>
	<title>These parties are also big Linux supporters</title>
	<author>linuxisashittyos</author>
	<datestamp>1245178320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does anyone else not find it unusual that a country like Germany who apparently is a big supporter of Linux and the Nazi-esque GPL would be all over internet censorship? Doesn't surprise me in the least.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone else not find it unusual that a country like Germany who apparently is a big supporter of Linux and the Nazi-esque GPL would be all over internet censorship ?
Does n't surprise me in the least .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone else not find it unusual that a country like Germany who apparently is a big supporter of Linux and the Nazi-esque GPL would be all over internet censorship?
Doesn't surprise me in the least.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28355337</id>
	<title>Proof this is some back room shit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245155580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2 stories on it  from Google News, the same aggregator that has 2000 on Al Roker and Speidi.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2 stories on it from Google News , the same aggregator that has 2000 on Al Roker and Speidi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2 stories on it  from Google News, the same aggregator that has 2000 on Al Roker and Speidi.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351611</id>
	<title>Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again...</title>
	<author>AlHunt</author>
	<datestamp>1245182040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This is not a 'police state' in the forming</p></div></blockquote><p>

Having the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consent\_of\_the\_governed" title="wikipedia.org">Consent of the Governed</a> [wikipedia.org] doesn't mean it's not a police state.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not a 'police state ' in the forming Having the Consent of the Governed [ wikipedia.org ] does n't mean it 's not a police state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not a 'police state' in the forming

Having the Consent of the Governed [wikipedia.org] doesn't mean it's not a police state.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350853</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352071</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245183900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Before you get on ze net, ve neet to zee your papers. Your papers, bitte.</p><p>First, switch to Open DNS, second, vote the bastards out. Keep voting the bastards out until you get your bastards in there.</p></div><p>This doesn't word because well... the vast majority of people are idiots. They are more impressed by infantile rhetoric than by actual forward thinking. The free thinkers (non-idiots) of the world should just band together and form our own nation in the South Pacific, where you have to score 115 or higher on a standard IQ test to be allowed in. Seriously, the idiots are ruining it for the rest of us, they don't know their @$$ from a hole in the ground and we all get to suffer for it. Granted I know this is in Germany and not America, but these things have a tendency to come around (Hey look, Internet censorship worked out great in Germany, let's try it here!!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-D!!!!) Ugh...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Before you get on ze net , ve neet to zee your papers .
Your papers , bitte.First , switch to Open DNS , second , vote the bastards out .
Keep voting the bastards out until you get your bastards in there.This does n't word because well... the vast majority of people are idiots .
They are more impressed by infantile rhetoric than by actual forward thinking .
The free thinkers ( non-idiots ) of the world should just band together and form our own nation in the South Pacific , where you have to score 115 or higher on a standard IQ test to be allowed in .
Seriously , the idiots are ruining it for the rest of us , they do n't know their @ $ $ from a hole in the ground and we all get to suffer for it .
Granted I know this is in Germany and not America , but these things have a tendency to come around ( Hey look , Internet censorship worked out great in Germany , let 's try it here ! !
: -D ! ! ! ! ) Ugh.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before you get on ze net, ve neet to zee your papers.
Your papers, bitte.First, switch to Open DNS, second, vote the bastards out.
Keep voting the bastards out until you get your bastards in there.This doesn't word because well... the vast majority of people are idiots.
They are more impressed by infantile rhetoric than by actual forward thinking.
The free thinkers (non-idiots) of the world should just band together and form our own nation in the South Pacific, where you have to score 115 or higher on a standard IQ test to be allowed in.
Seriously, the idiots are ruining it for the rest of us, they don't know their @$$ from a hole in the ground and we all get to suffer for it.
Granted I know this is in Germany and not America, but these things have a tendency to come around (Hey look, Internet censorship worked out great in Germany, let's try it here!!
:-D!!!!) Ugh...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350809</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28359501</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>peppepz</author>
	<datestamp>1245238980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know of a democratic southern Europe country where the government either directly owns, or politically controls, 5 out of the 7 national tv networks.<br>
At least 3 of the most important journalists where removed from key positions for criticising the government, and even 2 comedians suffered the same fate for the same reason.<br>
At every election, support for the government by voters is ever growing.<br>
A blogger has been convicted for &ldquo;clandestine press&rdquo; because he did not register his blog at the courthouse.<br>
The government has already announced plans to &ldquo;limit YouTube&rdquo; (sic).<br>
Another law is being passed (using a fast-track procedure that substantially allows the government to bypass the parliament), forcing any web site administrator to publish &ldquo;amendments&rdquo; and &ldquo;rectifications&rdquo; to the materials published on his site, when requested to do so via email <i>by anyone</i>, <i>within 48 hours</i> from the request, with a fine ranging from 8,000 to 13,000 &euro; if he does not comply.<br>
The vast majority of the population (voters) doesn&rsquo;t care at all about these issues.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know of a democratic southern Europe country where the government either directly owns , or politically controls , 5 out of the 7 national tv networks .
At least 3 of the most important journalists where removed from key positions for criticising the government , and even 2 comedians suffered the same fate for the same reason .
At every election , support for the government by voters is ever growing .
A blogger has been convicted for    clandestine press    because he did not register his blog at the courthouse .
The government has already announced plans to    limit YouTube    ( sic ) .
Another law is being passed ( using a fast-track procedure that substantially allows the government to bypass the parliament ) , forcing any web site administrator to publish    amendments    and    rectifications    to the materials published on his site , when requested to do so via email by anyone , within 48 hours from the request , with a fine ranging from 8,000 to 13,000    if he does not comply .
The vast majority of the population ( voters ) doesn    t care at all about these issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know of a democratic southern Europe country where the government either directly owns, or politically controls, 5 out of the 7 national tv networks.
At least 3 of the most important journalists where removed from key positions for criticising the government, and even 2 comedians suffered the same fate for the same reason.
At every election, support for the government by voters is ever growing.
A blogger has been convicted for “clandestine press” because he did not register his blog at the courthouse.
The government has already announced plans to “limit YouTube” (sic).
Another law is being passed (using a fast-track procedure that substantially allows the government to bypass the parliament), forcing any web site administrator to publish “amendments” and “rectifications” to the materials published on his site, when requested to do so via email by anyone, within 48 hours from the request, with a fine ranging from 8,000 to 13,000 € if he does not comply.
The vast majority of the population (voters) doesn’t care at all about these issues.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352673</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28358961</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245231900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, no political websites has been blocked.</p><p>Its kiddyporn they are blocking. The list of blocked domains can be found on wikileaks. I dont suggesting clicking any links though, unless you want to get v&amp;.</p><p>Some sites which should not have been banned have been banned, but only for short periods of time (You know, until someone finds out)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , no political websites has been blocked.Its kiddyporn they are blocking .
The list of blocked domains can be found on wikileaks .
I dont suggesting clicking any links though , unless you want to get v&amp;.Some sites which should not have been banned have been banned , but only for short periods of time ( You know , until someone finds out )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, no political websites has been blocked.Its kiddyporn they are blocking.
The list of blocked domains can be found on wikileaks.
I dont suggesting clicking any links though, unless you want to get v&amp;.Some sites which should not have been banned have been banned, but only for short periods of time (You know, until someone finds out)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351779</id>
	<title>The real discouraging thing</title>
	<author>Xelios</author>
	<datestamp>1245182520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The real discouraging thing here isn't the law itself (though that'd be enough in and of itself), it's the fact that despite criticism from all sides, a huge petition, thousands of people writing their elected officials <i>and</i> several protests outside government buildings the law is <b>still</b> being passed. Hell I've even seen stickers protesting the proposed law at bus stops and train stations. The "Zensursula" stickers are everywhere around here. When your government flat out ignores these things what's left to do? Wait for the next election, elect some other party into the majority and hope they actually behave differently? Just seems like every year things get worse, no matter who's in office.<br> <br>

One other fun fact, the ruling parties (the CDU and SPD) have already mentioned using this blacklist for other things too, mainly gambling sites, Islamic sites and "Killerspiele" (sites that contain or promote violent games). <br> <br>

It all brings to mind that South Park baseball episode where Randy gets arrested, with one small difference, "Oh I'm sorry I thought this was a democracy".</htmltext>
<tokenext>The real discouraging thing here is n't the law itself ( though that 'd be enough in and of itself ) , it 's the fact that despite criticism from all sides , a huge petition , thousands of people writing their elected officials and several protests outside government buildings the law is still being passed .
Hell I 've even seen stickers protesting the proposed law at bus stops and train stations .
The " Zensursula " stickers are everywhere around here .
When your government flat out ignores these things what 's left to do ?
Wait for the next election , elect some other party into the majority and hope they actually behave differently ?
Just seems like every year things get worse , no matter who 's in office .
One other fun fact , the ruling parties ( the CDU and SPD ) have already mentioned using this blacklist for other things too , mainly gambling sites , Islamic sites and " Killerspiele " ( sites that contain or promote violent games ) .
It all brings to mind that South Park baseball episode where Randy gets arrested , with one small difference , " Oh I 'm sorry I thought this was a democracy " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real discouraging thing here isn't the law itself (though that'd be enough in and of itself), it's the fact that despite criticism from all sides, a huge petition, thousands of people writing their elected officials and several protests outside government buildings the law is still being passed.
Hell I've even seen stickers protesting the proposed law at bus stops and train stations.
The "Zensursula" stickers are everywhere around here.
When your government flat out ignores these things what's left to do?
Wait for the next election, elect some other party into the majority and hope they actually behave differently?
Just seems like every year things get worse, no matter who's in office.
One other fun fact, the ruling parties (the CDU and SPD) have already mentioned using this blacklist for other things too, mainly gambling sites, Islamic sites and "Killerspiele" (sites that contain or promote violent games).
It all brings to mind that South Park baseball episode where Randy gets arrested, with one small difference, "Oh I'm sorry I thought this was a democracy".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28358303</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>alonsoac</author>
	<datestamp>1245181140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how about when people get the Stop page, so they know they hit a banned domain, they just use a web-based resolver to find out the ip address and add it to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/hosts. Eventually someone will post the full list so you can just copy it all and then there is no need to use the DNS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how about when people get the Stop page , so they know they hit a banned domain , they just use a web-based resolver to find out the ip address and add it to /etc/hosts .
Eventually someone will post the full list so you can just copy it all and then there is no need to use the DNS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about when people get the Stop page, so they know they hit a banned domain, they just use a web-based resolver to find out the ip address and add it to /etc/hosts.
Eventually someone will post the full list so you can just copy it all and then there is no need to use the DNS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351473</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>half\_d</author>
	<datestamp>1245181560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My simple guess is any request with a destination of 53 is logged and then resolved at some later time.</p></div><p>
I have a hard time believing that this would be the case; at least here in Denmark, everything about the different filtering we've experienced points at
zero-knowledge politicians telling some IT staff what to do - and do it now!<br>
<br>
No real blocking is taking place, just sort of placebo blocking.. by the way, on the Danish version of the 'page with the red STOP sign' it says that ones visit to that page has not been logged.<br>
<br>
Our government, just like the rest of the 'civilized' world are acting crazy with paranoia. It seems like they (the politicians) are having a race as to whom can implement most privacy/human-rights defying laws fastest!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My simple guess is any request with a destination of 53 is logged and then resolved at some later time .
I have a hard time believing that this would be the case ; at least here in Denmark , everything about the different filtering we 've experienced points at zero-knowledge politicians telling some IT staff what to do - and do it now !
No real blocking is taking place , just sort of placebo blocking.. by the way , on the Danish version of the 'page with the red STOP sign ' it says that ones visit to that page has not been logged .
Our government , just like the rest of the 'civilized ' world are acting crazy with paranoia .
It seems like they ( the politicians ) are having a race as to whom can implement most privacy/human-rights defying laws fastest !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My simple guess is any request with a destination of 53 is logged and then resolved at some later time.
I have a hard time believing that this would be the case; at least here in Denmark, everything about the different filtering we've experienced points at
zero-knowledge politicians telling some IT staff what to do - and do it now!
No real blocking is taking place, just sort of placebo blocking.. by the way, on the Danish version of the 'page with the red STOP sign' it says that ones visit to that page has not been logged.
Our government, just like the rest of the 'civilized' world are acting crazy with paranoia.
It seems like they (the politicians) are having a race as to whom can implement most privacy/human-rights defying laws fastest!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352875</id>
	<title>insane politicians</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1245143940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you read up a little on the history, views and personalities of the main politicians involved in this - Ursula von der Leyen and Wolfgang Sch&#228;uble - you find out quickly that they are both almost certainly borderline insane.</p><p>Sch&#228;uble is suffering from PTSD since that failed attack on him many years back. His medical records are kept secret.</p><p>von der Leyen is either a fanatic or crazy. The amount of disconnect from reality she displays certainly has a  medical term, but I can't recall it right now. She's acting like the guy who insists on being Napoleon no matter what evidence to the contrary you come up with. You could show her a room full of scientific studies disproving each and every word she's ever said on the matter - and she wouldn't change her course one inch.</p><p>Quite frankly, these people are dangerous and criminally insane.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you read up a little on the history , views and personalities of the main politicians involved in this - Ursula von der Leyen and Wolfgang Sch   uble - you find out quickly that they are both almost certainly borderline insane.Sch   uble is suffering from PTSD since that failed attack on him many years back .
His medical records are kept secret.von der Leyen is either a fanatic or crazy .
The amount of disconnect from reality she displays certainly has a medical term , but I ca n't recall it right now .
She 's acting like the guy who insists on being Napoleon no matter what evidence to the contrary you come up with .
You could show her a room full of scientific studies disproving each and every word she 's ever said on the matter - and she would n't change her course one inch.Quite frankly , these people are dangerous and criminally insane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you read up a little on the history, views and personalities of the main politicians involved in this - Ursula von der Leyen and Wolfgang Schäuble - you find out quickly that they are both almost certainly borderline insane.Schäuble is suffering from PTSD since that failed attack on him many years back.
His medical records are kept secret.von der Leyen is either a fanatic or crazy.
The amount of disconnect from reality she displays certainly has a  medical term, but I can't recall it right now.
She's acting like the guy who insists on being Napoleon no matter what evidence to the contrary you come up with.
You could show her a room full of scientific studies disproving each and every word she's ever said on the matter - and she wouldn't change her course one inch.Quite frankly, these people are dangerous and criminally insane.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353871</id>
	<title>Re:Contacting politicians</title>
	<author>rbrausse</author>
	<datestamp>1245147720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wrote letters to my regional members of the parliament and one of them reacted - unfortunately she was only the one in the opposition.</p><p>the one fron the government coaliation didn't even answer.</p><p>I lost completely my believe in politics/politicians - why should I trust someone who didn't even tries to understand my way of life?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wrote letters to my regional members of the parliament and one of them reacted - unfortunately she was only the one in the opposition.the one fron the government coaliation did n't even answer.I lost completely my believe in politics/politicians - why should I trust someone who did n't even tries to understand my way of life ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wrote letters to my regional members of the parliament and one of them reacted - unfortunately she was only the one in the opposition.the one fron the government coaliation didn't even answer.I lost completely my believe in politics/politicians - why should I trust someone who didn't even tries to understand my way of life?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350809</id>
	<title>Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>BigBlueOx</author>
	<datestamp>1245179040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Before you get on ze net, ve neet to zee your papers. Your papers, bitte.<br>
<br>
First, switch to Open DNS, second, vote the bastards out. Keep voting the bastards out until you get your bastards in there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Before you get on ze net , ve neet to zee your papers .
Your papers , bitte .
First , switch to Open DNS , second , vote the bastards out .
Keep voting the bastards out until you get your bastards in there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before you get on ze net, ve neet to zee your papers.
Your papers, bitte.
First, switch to Open DNS, second, vote the bastards out.
Keep voting the bastards out until you get your bastards in there.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351497</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>linzeal</author>
	<datestamp>1245181680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sometimes voting does not work, look at Iran.  I'm not saying such blatant rigging of an election could occur in Germany nowadays but other less obvious abuses of power such as this go almost unnoticed by the average citizen.  Does the <a href="http://www.eff.org/" title="eff.org" rel="nofollow">EFF</a> [eff.org] do international issues or just US stuff?  It would be wise methinks to get an international organization involved so we could get some leverage on having a say on any future treaties that involve these sorts of shenanigans.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes voting does not work , look at Iran .
I 'm not saying such blatant rigging of an election could occur in Germany nowadays but other less obvious abuses of power such as this go almost unnoticed by the average citizen .
Does the EFF [ eff.org ] do international issues or just US stuff ?
It would be wise methinks to get an international organization involved so we could get some leverage on having a say on any future treaties that involve these sorts of shenanigans .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes voting does not work, look at Iran.
I'm not saying such blatant rigging of an election could occur in Germany nowadays but other less obvious abuses of power such as this go almost unnoticed by the average citizen.
Does the EFF [eff.org] do international issues or just US stuff?
It would be wise methinks to get an international organization involved so we could get some leverage on having a say on any future treaties that involve these sorts of shenanigans.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350809</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351853</id>
	<title>Wait just a minute...</title>
	<author>MoldySpore</author>
	<datestamp>1245182880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you're saying Internet Nazi's are becoming a REALITY?! God save the intarwebz. 0o</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you 're saying Internet Nazi 's are becoming a REALITY ? !
God save the intarwebz .
0o</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you're saying Internet Nazi's are becoming a REALITY?!
God save the intarwebz.
0o</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28354763</id>
	<title>Re:The real discouraging thing</title>
	<author>IronChef</author>
	<datestamp>1245152520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Killerspiele -- I think I found my new TF2 handle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Killerspiele -- I think I found my new TF2 handle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Killerspiele -- I think I found my new TF2 handle.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351779</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351565</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>nausea\_malvarma</author>
	<datestamp>1245181920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What happens when the ballot looks like this:
</p><p>
Please select the candidate of your choice
</p><ul>
<li>Bastard 1</li><li>Bastard 2</li><li>Bastard 3</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when the ballot looks like this : Please select the candidate of your choice Bastard 1Bastard 2Bastard 3</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when the ballot looks like this:

Please select the candidate of your choice

Bastard 1Bastard 2Bastard 3</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350809</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28358631</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>bickerdyke</author>
	<datestamp>1245270840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do you <b>really</b> think that the government doesn't know about other DNS servers?</p></div><p>I do.</p><p>Heck they don't even know what DNS is!</p><p>The state secretary in question who started this admitted that she knows nothing about it! Besides that criminals will always find ways to circumvent those blocks, she knows that it's not perfect but should be good enough not to tempt the "casual [porn]" surfer" with childporn, and that she personally doesnt know anyone who could circumvent a internet block. Obviously that als means she doesnt know anyone who knows dirt about the internet and could have explained a few things to her.</p><p>Some politicians even admitted that they're voting for that law against experts advice! (Read on heise.de, sorry can't find the article right now)</p><p>This whole BS shows clearly that our politicians think really of the elections in septemb... ahhh.. think of the children! You know.... Something has to be done against childporn. So they show Otto Normalverbraucher (Joe Sixpacks german cousin) that they do.. well.. something.</p><p>And thats the reason why I guess there won't be any DNS-hijacking. The ISP simply add a few lines to their local DNS config cause thats the easiest way to comply with that moronic law.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you really think that the government does n't know about other DNS servers ? I do.Heck they do n't even know what DNS is ! The state secretary in question who started this admitted that she knows nothing about it !
Besides that criminals will always find ways to circumvent those blocks , she knows that it 's not perfect but should be good enough not to tempt the " casual [ porn ] " surfer " with childporn , and that she personally doesnt know anyone who could circumvent a internet block .
Obviously that als means she doesnt know anyone who knows dirt about the internet and could have explained a few things to her.Some politicians even admitted that they 're voting for that law against experts advice !
( Read on heise.de , sorry ca n't find the article right now ) This whole BS shows clearly that our politicians think really of the elections in septemb... ahhh.. think of the children !
You know.... Something has to be done against childporn .
So they show Otto Normalverbraucher ( Joe Sixpacks german cousin ) that they do.. well.. something.And thats the reason why I guess there wo n't be any DNS-hijacking .
The ISP simply add a few lines to their local DNS config cause thats the easiest way to comply with that moronic law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really think that the government doesn't know about other DNS servers?I do.Heck they don't even know what DNS is!The state secretary in question who started this admitted that she knows nothing about it!
Besides that criminals will always find ways to circumvent those blocks, she knows that it's not perfect but should be good enough not to tempt the "casual [porn]" surfer" with childporn, and that she personally doesnt know anyone who could circumvent a internet block.
Obviously that als means she doesnt know anyone who knows dirt about the internet and could have explained a few things to her.Some politicians even admitted that they're voting for that law against experts advice!
(Read on heise.de, sorry can't find the article right now)This whole BS shows clearly that our politicians think really of the elections in septemb... ahhh.. think of the children!
You know.... Something has to be done against childporn.
So they show Otto Normalverbraucher (Joe Sixpacks german cousin) that they do.. well.. something.And thats the reason why I guess there won't be any DNS-hijacking.
The ISP simply add a few lines to their local DNS config cause thats the easiest way to comply with that moronic law.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28358247</id>
	<title>American living in Germany</title>
	<author>StarWreck</author>
	<datestamp>1245180600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm an American living in Germany.  I swear this place would be okay to come for a short vacation but living here long term is like living in a 3rd World country. <br> Want to get a cell-phone?  Tough-break, you have to live here for 2 years first. <br>Want to get a phone line, cable-tv, or high-speed internet?  Tough break, you have to be a citizen AND live here for 2 years first.  <br>Want to eat a bowl of your favorite cereal?   Tough break! They don't sell it here and if you try to get a friend to mail it to you, the Government is going to hold it for 3 months first and then charge you 20\% taxes on what THEY think its worth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm an American living in Germany .
I swear this place would be okay to come for a short vacation but living here long term is like living in a 3rd World country .
Want to get a cell-phone ?
Tough-break , you have to live here for 2 years first .
Want to get a phone line , cable-tv , or high-speed internet ?
Tough break , you have to be a citizen AND live here for 2 years first .
Want to eat a bowl of your favorite cereal ?
Tough break !
They do n't sell it here and if you try to get a friend to mail it to you , the Government is going to hold it for 3 months first and then charge you 20 \ % taxes on what THEY think its worth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm an American living in Germany.
I swear this place would be okay to come for a short vacation but living here long term is like living in a 3rd World country.
Want to get a cell-phone?
Tough-break, you have to live here for 2 years first.
Want to get a phone line, cable-tv, or high-speed internet?
Tough break, you have to be a citizen AND live here for 2 years first.
Want to eat a bowl of your favorite cereal?
Tough break!
They don't sell it here and if you try to get a friend to mail it to you, the Government is going to hold it for 3 months first and then charge you 20\% taxes on what THEY think its worth.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351889</id>
	<title>Maybe they'll hire</title>
	<author>cptdondo</author>
	<datestamp>1245183060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the Green Dam folks to write the DNS firewall.</p><p>Really, I don't see how this is going to work unless you firewall DNS.  Then your official DNS servers are going to have to do a lot of work.  Eventually businesses are going to revolt if this is causing downtime....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the Green Dam folks to write the DNS firewall.Really , I do n't see how this is going to work unless you firewall DNS .
Then your official DNS servers are going to have to do a lot of work .
Eventually businesses are going to revolt if this is causing downtime... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the Green Dam folks to write the DNS firewall.Really, I don't see how this is going to work unless you firewall DNS.
Then your official DNS servers are going to have to do a lot of work.
Eventually businesses are going to revolt if this is causing downtime....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352659</id>
	<title>Big picture</title>
	<author>alderX</author>
	<datestamp>1245142980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As some people tend to say "oh but police should do something against crime" or "just use OpenDNS" I would like to add some points here.</p><p>First we have to understand that this is one out of many laws over the last years (e.g. adding of biometric data and RFID chips to passports, logging all telephone/email etc. sessions for 1/2 year, allowance for shooting down hijacked plains etc.) which converted Germany into a police state again. Not so obvious or visual as in times past, but still as dangerous.</p><p>Fighting child porn is of course only a cheap argument as one can be sure that opponents can easily be labeled "child molester". Basically the same as we saw with "terrorism" in the recent past (see "patriot act" in US). Given Germany didn't have a terror attack so far, "terrorism" is not a strong enough fear factor / selling point, but "child porn" is great for building consent in order to have people enslave themselfs.</p><p>These days I often think about the famous Martin Niemoeller quote:</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; And then they came for the Jews, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew;<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."</p><p>So at the end we are always affected - even if the first shots don't hit us directly.</p><p>Once the censorship infrastructure is in place, it is clear that it will also be used to serve the content media. Actually first politicians already acknowledge that - even before the "we do it only to protect the children" law is signed! But it will not stop there and on Wikileaks you can find filter lists of Norway for instance where you can see what stuff they censor. With the current events in Iran we also get a sense of where this can end.</p><p>The Internet is too vital for our societies to have politicians or the state mess with it!</p><p>PS: Sure OpenDNS might do the trick for the current law. But that's the wrong answer, because it basically is retreating - leaving the big pool of "non IT folks" behind. Also those loopholes will be closed over time or at least it will become suspicious / illegal. Actually that's also a "funny" part of the original version of the censorship law. The idea was that once you visit a web page which is on their list, that you will be forwarded to the state run "stop page". Hits at this "stop page" were planned to be logged and turned over to law enforcement. So in extreme cases you could think about adding a crontab entry to someone's computer ensuring the police to have him visit. Given that the only way to be safe would be to use something like OpenDNS in order to ensure to not hit the stop page. So actually you have to act like one who still wants to access the "child porn" pages in order to be sure to not be suspected of "child porn". Wired isn't it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As some people tend to say " oh but police should do something against crime " or " just use OpenDNS " I would like to add some points here.First we have to understand that this is one out of many laws over the last years ( e.g .
adding of biometric data and RFID chips to passports , logging all telephone/email etc .
sessions for 1/2 year , allowance for shooting down hijacked plains etc .
) which converted Germany into a police state again .
Not so obvious or visual as in times past , but still as dangerous.Fighting child porn is of course only a cheap argument as one can be sure that opponents can easily be labeled " child molester " .
Basically the same as we saw with " terrorism " in the recent past ( see " patriot act " in US ) .
Given Germany did n't have a terror attack so far , " terrorism " is not a strong enough fear factor / selling point , but " child porn " is great for building consent in order to have people enslave themselfs.These days I often think about the famous Martin Niemoeller quote :         " In Germany , they came first for the Communists , And I did n't speak up because I was n't a Communist ;         And then they came for the trade unionists , And I did n't speak up because I was n't a trade unionist ;         And then they came for the Jews , And I did n't speak up because I was n't a Jew ;         And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up .
" So at the end we are always affected - even if the first shots do n't hit us directly.Once the censorship infrastructure is in place , it is clear that it will also be used to serve the content media .
Actually first politicians already acknowledge that - even before the " we do it only to protect the children " law is signed !
But it will not stop there and on Wikileaks you can find filter lists of Norway for instance where you can see what stuff they censor .
With the current events in Iran we also get a sense of where this can end.The Internet is too vital for our societies to have politicians or the state mess with it ! PS : Sure OpenDNS might do the trick for the current law .
But that 's the wrong answer , because it basically is retreating - leaving the big pool of " non IT folks " behind .
Also those loopholes will be closed over time or at least it will become suspicious / illegal .
Actually that 's also a " funny " part of the original version of the censorship law .
The idea was that once you visit a web page which is on their list , that you will be forwarded to the state run " stop page " .
Hits at this " stop page " were planned to be logged and turned over to law enforcement .
So in extreme cases you could think about adding a crontab entry to someone 's computer ensuring the police to have him visit .
Given that the only way to be safe would be to use something like OpenDNS in order to ensure to not hit the stop page .
So actually you have to act like one who still wants to access the " child porn " pages in order to be sure to not be suspected of " child porn " .
Wired is n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As some people tend to say "oh but police should do something against crime" or "just use OpenDNS" I would like to add some points here.First we have to understand that this is one out of many laws over the last years (e.g.
adding of biometric data and RFID chips to passports, logging all telephone/email etc.
sessions for 1/2 year, allowance for shooting down hijacked plains etc.
) which converted Germany into a police state again.
Not so obvious or visual as in times past, but still as dangerous.Fighting child porn is of course only a cheap argument as one can be sure that opponents can easily be labeled "child molester".
Basically the same as we saw with "terrorism" in the recent past (see "patriot act" in US).
Given Germany didn't have a terror attack so far, "terrorism" is not a strong enough fear factor / selling point, but "child porn" is great for building consent in order to have people enslave themselfs.These days I often think about the famous Martin Niemoeller quote:
        "In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist;
        And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist;
        And then they came for the Jews, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew;
        And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up.
"So at the end we are always affected - even if the first shots don't hit us directly.Once the censorship infrastructure is in place, it is clear that it will also be used to serve the content media.
Actually first politicians already acknowledge that - even before the "we do it only to protect the children" law is signed!
But it will not stop there and on Wikileaks you can find filter lists of Norway for instance where you can see what stuff they censor.
With the current events in Iran we also get a sense of where this can end.The Internet is too vital for our societies to have politicians or the state mess with it!PS: Sure OpenDNS might do the trick for the current law.
But that's the wrong answer, because it basically is retreating - leaving the big pool of "non IT folks" behind.
Also those loopholes will be closed over time or at least it will become suspicious / illegal.
Actually that's also a "funny" part of the original version of the censorship law.
The idea was that once you visit a web page which is on their list, that you will be forwarded to the state run "stop page".
Hits at this "stop page" were planned to be logged and turned over to law enforcement.
So in extreme cases you could think about adding a crontab entry to someone's computer ensuring the police to have him visit.
Given that the only way to be safe would be to use something like OpenDNS in order to ensure to not hit the stop page.
So actually you have to act like one who still wants to access the "child porn" pages in order to be sure to not be suspected of "child porn".
Wired isn't it?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28354705</id>
	<title>Because ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245152100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fighting child pornography is just the marketing slogan.</p><p>In the US for instance one would instead use something like "preventing terrorist from finding construction plans for dirty bombs" or something similar. Look for something that terrifies people, for something that gets them emotional and looks like a no brainer. Thats all you need.</p><p>I think there was some US/UK person some decades ago who urged us to be alerted when politicians motivate something with women or children. Unfortunately I can't remember the quote - if someone knows it, please let me know. Thanks!</p><p>What this is about is putting censorship infrastructure in place and there are some politicians who already have acknowledged that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fighting child pornography is just the marketing slogan.In the US for instance one would instead use something like " preventing terrorist from finding construction plans for dirty bombs " or something similar .
Look for something that terrifies people , for something that gets them emotional and looks like a no brainer .
Thats all you need.I think there was some US/UK person some decades ago who urged us to be alerted when politicians motivate something with women or children .
Unfortunately I ca n't remember the quote - if someone knows it , please let me know .
Thanks ! What this is about is putting censorship infrastructure in place and there are some politicians who already have acknowledged that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fighting child pornography is just the marketing slogan.In the US for instance one would instead use something like "preventing terrorist from finding construction plans for dirty bombs" or something similar.
Look for something that terrifies people, for something that gets them emotional and looks like a no brainer.
Thats all you need.I think there was some US/UK person some decades ago who urged us to be alerted when politicians motivate something with women or children.
Unfortunately I can't remember the quote - if someone knows it, please let me know.
Thanks!What this is about is putting censorship infrastructure in place and there are some politicians who already have acknowledged that.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353997</id>
	<title>Re:insane politicians</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245148380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Read the Wikipedia about Wolfgang Schauble:<br>"In March 2007, Sch&#195;uble declared in an interview that the application of presumption of innocence should not be relevant for the authorization of counter-terrorist operations.</p><p>Later the same year (2007), Sch&#195;uble proposed the introduction of legislation that would allow the German Federal Government to carry out preventive assassinations of what Sch&#195;uble labels terrorist suspects...</p><p>In February 27, 2008, he called all European newspapers to print the Muhammad cartoons..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Read the Wikipedia about Wolfgang Schauble : " In March 2007 , Sch   uble declared in an interview that the application of presumption of innocence should not be relevant for the authorization of counter-terrorist operations.Later the same year ( 2007 ) , Sch   uble proposed the introduction of legislation that would allow the German Federal Government to carry out preventive assassinations of what Sch   uble labels terrorist suspects...In February 27 , 2008 , he called all European newspapers to print the Muhammad cartoons... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read the Wikipedia about Wolfgang Schauble:"In March 2007, SchÃuble declared in an interview that the application of presumption of innocence should not be relevant for the authorization of counter-terrorist operations.Later the same year (2007), SchÃuble proposed the introduction of legislation that would allow the German Federal Government to carry out preventive assassinations of what SchÃuble labels terrorist suspects...In February 27, 2008, he called all European newspapers to print the Muhammad cartoons..."</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352875</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352313</id>
	<title>Re:Sigh...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245184740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Martial law/internal checkpoints - The last time I used Greyhound, I was accosted both boarding and exiting by Immigration.  Mind you, I'm in Pennsylvania and white as can be.  By the way, have you flown since 2001?  I didn't think so...  Did you notice how ever increasingly Coast Guard/Reserves/etc have been used for domestic policing lately, such as in Louisiana?  (Remember that state militias were, unfortunately, federalized long ago.)

National loyalty oaths - So many places across the country *require* school children to recite "The Pledge", or at the very least allocate time for it...

Military conscription - Selective Service is still around and active.  It just hasn't been utilized.  Before you can get a student loan in the US, you must sign away that you're on the list, as well as some other certain things...

National communications filtering - FCC yields extreme power over broadcast TV, and are trying to exercise even more over non-broadcast TV, too.  The government of NY (a state, not even federal!) basically caused the death of Usenet in the US...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Martial law/internal checkpoints - The last time I used Greyhound , I was accosted both boarding and exiting by Immigration .
Mind you , I 'm in Pennsylvania and white as can be .
By the way , have you flown since 2001 ?
I did n't think so... Did you notice how ever increasingly Coast Guard/Reserves/etc have been used for domestic policing lately , such as in Louisiana ?
( Remember that state militias were , unfortunately , federalized long ago .
) National loyalty oaths - So many places across the country * require * school children to recite " The Pledge " , or at the very least allocate time for it.. . Military conscription - Selective Service is still around and active .
It just has n't been utilized .
Before you can get a student loan in the US , you must sign away that you 're on the list , as well as some other certain things.. . National communications filtering - FCC yields extreme power over broadcast TV , and are trying to exercise even more over non-broadcast TV , too .
The government of NY ( a state , not even federal !
) basically caused the death of Usenet in the US.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Martial law/internal checkpoints - The last time I used Greyhound, I was accosted both boarding and exiting by Immigration.
Mind you, I'm in Pennsylvania and white as can be.
By the way, have you flown since 2001?
I didn't think so...  Did you notice how ever increasingly Coast Guard/Reserves/etc have been used for domestic policing lately, such as in Louisiana?
(Remember that state militias were, unfortunately, federalized long ago.
)

National loyalty oaths - So many places across the country *require* school children to recite "The Pledge", or at the very least allocate time for it...

Military conscription - Selective Service is still around and active.
It just hasn't been utilized.
Before you can get a student loan in the US, you must sign away that you're on the list, as well as some other certain things...

National communications filtering - FCC yields extreme power over broadcast TV, and are trying to exercise even more over non-broadcast TV, too.
The government of NY (a state, not even federal!
) basically caused the death of Usenet in the US...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351401</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351701</id>
	<title>Black Day?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245182280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What kind of day is a "Black Day"? Black is a color. Is someone smelling, hearing or feeling colors?</p><p>Please elaborate and define terms. Please include other definitions like "Orange Day", "Purple Day", etc.</p><p>Thank you</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What kind of day is a " Black Day " ?
Black is a color .
Is someone smelling , hearing or feeling colors ? Please elaborate and define terms .
Please include other definitions like " Orange Day " , " Purple Day " , etc.Thank you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What kind of day is a "Black Day"?
Black is a color.
Is someone smelling, hearing or feeling colors?Please elaborate and define terms.
Please include other definitions like "Orange Day", "Purple Day", etc.Thank you</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352747</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1245143340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have a Pirate Party over here in Germany, and it's about time they get some more votes so the major parties start to listen.</p><p>Money and votes are the only things the bastards are interested in, after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have a Pirate Party over here in Germany , and it 's about time they get some more votes so the major parties start to listen.Money and votes are the only things the bastards are interested in , after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have a Pirate Party over here in Germany, and it's about time they get some more votes so the major parties start to listen.Money and votes are the only things the bastards are interested in, after all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351565</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28354095</id>
	<title>Re:A petition? how effective...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245148680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Just my two cents I guess.</p></div></blockquote><p>It must be the sign of the times that those two cents have the buying power of 0.00002 <em>real</em> cents.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just my two cents I guess.It must be the sign of the times that those two cents have the buying power of 0.00002 real cents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just my two cents I guess.It must be the sign of the times that those two cents have the buying power of 0.00002 real cents.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351121</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351591</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1245181980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Do you really think that the government doesn't know about other DNS servers?</p></div><p>Yes, after some TV magazine report, I <em>know</em> that they don't think that far.<br>Blocking people from getting there is not the point. Intimidation, and getting the people used to this kind of government, is the real point.</p><p>Besides: Who stops you from using another port, and encrypting the data trough a VPN? Hell, my router can do that. Trough a simple web-interface. I don't need to change anything on my pc. It's done in 5 minutes. Now if you offer me an offshore DNS server with a VPN, a good connection, and just the price of keeping it running, you will have a client. (Those free ones are too slow, and the others that you buy are way too expensive, because they want to profit big time from it.)</p><p>I smell a nice non-profit business model here. Especially since half the world can be your clients.</p><p>As long as they don't go to war against our small island full of servers, and as long as they do still allow data into the net, we can circumvent their censorship. And offer the whole world to do so too, in one click (insert USB stick, run autostart, click OK, done).</p><p>I wonder how one could protect those servers better, even in case of attacks?<br>Hey, I know it: Infect the censorship servers *themselves*!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p><p>Who wants to apply for a well-payed job in this emerging censorship-server-market?<br>If we storm them, all of us will pretty much be moles. Meaning we can perfectly disable the censorship proxies/routers for users with our special client patch.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>My god, and they thought they could stop *us all*. They can't even stop me alone.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you really think that the government does n't know about other DNS servers ? Yes , after some TV magazine report , I know that they do n't think that far.Blocking people from getting there is not the point .
Intimidation , and getting the people used to this kind of government , is the real point.Besides : Who stops you from using another port , and encrypting the data trough a VPN ?
Hell , my router can do that .
Trough a simple web-interface .
I do n't need to change anything on my pc .
It 's done in 5 minutes .
Now if you offer me an offshore DNS server with a VPN , a good connection , and just the price of keeping it running , you will have a client .
( Those free ones are too slow , and the others that you buy are way too expensive , because they want to profit big time from it .
) I smell a nice non-profit business model here .
Especially since half the world can be your clients.As long as they do n't go to war against our small island full of servers , and as long as they do still allow data into the net , we can circumvent their censorship .
And offer the whole world to do so too , in one click ( insert USB stick , run autostart , click OK , done ) .I wonder how one could protect those servers better , even in case of attacks ? Hey , I know it : Infect the censorship servers * themselves * !
: DWho wants to apply for a well-payed job in this emerging censorship-server-market ? If we storm them , all of us will pretty much be moles .
Meaning we can perfectly disable the censorship proxies/routers for users with our special client patch .
: ) My god , and they thought they could stop * us all * .
They ca n't even stop me alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really think that the government doesn't know about other DNS servers?Yes, after some TV magazine report, I know that they don't think that far.Blocking people from getting there is not the point.
Intimidation, and getting the people used to this kind of government, is the real point.Besides: Who stops you from using another port, and encrypting the data trough a VPN?
Hell, my router can do that.
Trough a simple web-interface.
I don't need to change anything on my pc.
It's done in 5 minutes.
Now if you offer me an offshore DNS server with a VPN, a good connection, and just the price of keeping it running, you will have a client.
(Those free ones are too slow, and the others that you buy are way too expensive, because they want to profit big time from it.
)I smell a nice non-profit business model here.
Especially since half the world can be your clients.As long as they don't go to war against our small island full of servers, and as long as they do still allow data into the net, we can circumvent their censorship.
And offer the whole world to do so too, in one click (insert USB stick, run autostart, click OK, done).I wonder how one could protect those servers better, even in case of attacks?Hey, I know it: Infect the censorship servers *themselves*!
:DWho wants to apply for a well-payed job in this emerging censorship-server-market?If we storm them, all of us will pretty much be moles.
Meaning we can perfectly disable the censorship proxies/routers for users with our special client patch.
:)My god, and they thought they could stop *us all*.
They can't even stop me alone.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352515</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245185520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happens when the ballot looks like this:</p><p>Please select the candidate of your choice</p><ul><li>Bastard 1</li><li>Bastard 2</li><li>Bastard 3</li></ul></div><p>Don't vote.<br>Do something productive.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when the ballot looks like this : Please select the candidate of your choiceBastard 1Bastard 2Bastard 3Do n't vote.Do something productive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when the ballot looks like this:Please select the candidate of your choiceBastard 1Bastard 2Bastard 3Don't vote.Do something productive.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351565</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28364711</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Dragoness Eclectic</author>
	<datestamp>1245268800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And Europeans keep suggesting that U.S. laws are so backward because so-called "hate speech" is legally protected here....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And Europeans keep suggesting that U.S. laws are so backward because so-called " hate speech " is legally protected here... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And Europeans keep suggesting that U.S. laws are so backward because so-called "hate speech" is legally protected here....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353921</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352209</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>rev\_g33k\_101</author>
	<datestamp>1245184380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Putting the meme aside....<br> <br>

Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.<br> <br>

seriously</htmltext>
<tokenext>Putting the meme aside... . Your ideas intrigue me , and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter .
seriously</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Putting the meme aside.... 

Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
seriously</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1245179880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We've had that in Denmark for years now. OpenDNS should be the solution to all of your problems...</p></div><p>Do you <b>really</b> think that the government doesn't know about other DNS servers? I assure you there is some sort of plan and reason why they have not asked the ISP's to block or MASQ any request with a destination of 53.</p><p>My simple guess is any request with a destination of 53 is logged and then resolved at some later time. A database of people who use these other servers is maintained and flags are included such as "pedophile, hacker, warez, terrorist, etc". This list then is used to help law enforcement and or they will just come and round all of you up one day.</p><p>What's going to end up happening is someone is going to have to run a hacked all the hell bind server that takes encrypted requests on port 80 and replies back with your request which will then need to be cached locally so as not to totally hose your browsing. Then the government is going to start banning those server's IP addresses and someone is going to have to make a DNS resolver that runs in a distributed manner. Then the government will do something else, probably make it a huge crime to use any of this stuff and we will all be basically where we are now with copyright infringement which is to say that people don't respect that law and so all law becomes less respected. This is all the same as what happened in the 1930's US Prohibition of booze.</p><p>"All of this has happened before, and it will happen again..."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've had that in Denmark for years now .
OpenDNS should be the solution to all of your problems...Do you really think that the government does n't know about other DNS servers ?
I assure you there is some sort of plan and reason why they have not asked the ISP 's to block or MASQ any request with a destination of 53.My simple guess is any request with a destination of 53 is logged and then resolved at some later time .
A database of people who use these other servers is maintained and flags are included such as " pedophile , hacker , warez , terrorist , etc " .
This list then is used to help law enforcement and or they will just come and round all of you up one day.What 's going to end up happening is someone is going to have to run a hacked all the hell bind server that takes encrypted requests on port 80 and replies back with your request which will then need to be cached locally so as not to totally hose your browsing .
Then the government is going to start banning those server 's IP addresses and someone is going to have to make a DNS resolver that runs in a distributed manner .
Then the government will do something else , probably make it a huge crime to use any of this stuff and we will all be basically where we are now with copyright infringement which is to say that people do n't respect that law and so all law becomes less respected .
This is all the same as what happened in the 1930 's US Prohibition of booze .
" All of this has happened before , and it will happen again... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've had that in Denmark for years now.
OpenDNS should be the solution to all of your problems...Do you really think that the government doesn't know about other DNS servers?
I assure you there is some sort of plan and reason why they have not asked the ISP's to block or MASQ any request with a destination of 53.My simple guess is any request with a destination of 53 is logged and then resolved at some later time.
A database of people who use these other servers is maintained and flags are included such as "pedophile, hacker, warez, terrorist, etc".
This list then is used to help law enforcement and or they will just come and round all of you up one day.What's going to end up happening is someone is going to have to run a hacked all the hell bind server that takes encrypted requests on port 80 and replies back with your request which will then need to be cached locally so as not to totally hose your browsing.
Then the government is going to start banning those server's IP addresses and someone is going to have to make a DNS resolver that runs in a distributed manner.
Then the government will do something else, probably make it a huge crime to use any of this stuff and we will all be basically where we are now with copyright infringement which is to say that people don't respect that law and so all law becomes less respected.
This is all the same as what happened in the 1930's US Prohibition of booze.
"All of this has happened before, and it will happen again..."
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353529</id>
	<title>Wrong question!</title>
	<author>alderX</author>
	<datestamp>1245146280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thinking about my initial reply, I think a better answer to your question is that it is the wrong question to start with.

We Americans and Europeans are in this together. We are loosing bits and pieces of our liberties every day. So it's not about who is looking worse today, but about how to stop this erosion and get elected politicians back into acting in our interest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thinking about my initial reply , I think a better answer to your question is that it is the wrong question to start with .
We Americans and Europeans are in this together .
We are loosing bits and pieces of our liberties every day .
So it 's not about who is looking worse today , but about how to stop this erosion and get elected politicians back into acting in our interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thinking about my initial reply, I think a better answer to your question is that it is the wrong question to start with.
We Americans and Europeans are in this together.
We are loosing bits and pieces of our liberties every day.
So it's not about who is looking worse today, but about how to stop this erosion and get elected politicians back into acting in our interest.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351507</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351835</id>
	<title>DNS Root Servers and Censorship</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245182820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and the US needs to hand over control of the root servers to the European Nations, why again?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and the US needs to hand over control of the root servers to the European Nations , why again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and the US needs to hand over control of the root servers to the European Nations, why again?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352673</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1245143040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Does anyone really think that blacklisting opposing political viewpoints is merely an "unfortunate side effect" of schemes like this?</p></div></blockquote><p>Yep. Right here.</p><p>I've yet to see any real evidence (rather than here-say, built on speculation, based on some observation made by some paranoid person) that democratic governments actively practice censorship to get rid of dissidents. I have no doubt that overzealous individuals part of, or representing the government, when looking for something that fits the word "offensive", will include some radical and political content, but then again, they're representing primarily the "Think of the children!" crowd, and there'd be quite a few who of them would do the same thing.</p><p>But a functioning democratic government, with an overall policy to block dissidents? I doubt it. With proper safeguards, like term limits, and separation of powers, and always a whole bunch of people disagreeing with each other, you might as well ask a peep of headless chickens to conspire to overthrow society.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone really think that blacklisting opposing political viewpoints is merely an " unfortunate side effect " of schemes like this ? Yep .
Right here.I 've yet to see any real evidence ( rather than here-say , built on speculation , based on some observation made by some paranoid person ) that democratic governments actively practice censorship to get rid of dissidents .
I have no doubt that overzealous individuals part of , or representing the government , when looking for something that fits the word " offensive " , will include some radical and political content , but then again , they 're representing primarily the " Think of the children !
" crowd , and there 'd be quite a few who of them would do the same thing.But a functioning democratic government , with an overall policy to block dissidents ?
I doubt it .
With proper safeguards , like term limits , and separation of powers , and always a whole bunch of people disagreeing with each other , you might as well ask a peep of headless chickens to conspire to overthrow society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone really think that blacklisting opposing political viewpoints is merely an "unfortunate side effect" of schemes like this?Yep.
Right here.I've yet to see any real evidence (rather than here-say, built on speculation, based on some observation made by some paranoid person) that democratic governments actively practice censorship to get rid of dissidents.
I have no doubt that overzealous individuals part of, or representing the government, when looking for something that fits the word "offensive", will include some radical and political content, but then again, they're representing primarily the "Think of the children!
" crowd, and there'd be quite a few who of them would do the same thing.But a functioning democratic government, with an overall policy to block dissidents?
I doubt it.
With proper safeguards, like term limits, and separation of powers, and always a whole bunch of people disagreeing with each other, you might as well ask a peep of headless chickens to conspire to overthrow society.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351271</id>
	<title>Secret Lists?</title>
	<author>hattig</author>
	<datestamp>1245180900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Without open publication of the banned lists, it is all too easy for a government or police force to blanket ban whatever it decides too, regardless of the legality.</p><p>It's easy to argue that child porn websites should be blocked, but these systems have a habit of insidious creeping scope. Next it's websites about guns. Then it is opposition party websites. Then it is foreign websites that suggest that people should have freedom and rights and liberty and power over the state.</p><p>Without checks and balances, or due process (a site can only go onto the list with judicial overview, and with specific reasons. Accidentally linking to a site that was hijacked with banned material should not count) this is a horrendously one-sided system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Without open publication of the banned lists , it is all too easy for a government or police force to blanket ban whatever it decides too , regardless of the legality.It 's easy to argue that child porn websites should be blocked , but these systems have a habit of insidious creeping scope .
Next it 's websites about guns .
Then it is opposition party websites .
Then it is foreign websites that suggest that people should have freedom and rights and liberty and power over the state.Without checks and balances , or due process ( a site can only go onto the list with judicial overview , and with specific reasons .
Accidentally linking to a site that was hijacked with banned material should not count ) this is a horrendously one-sided system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without open publication of the banned lists, it is all too easy for a government or police force to blanket ban whatever it decides too, regardless of the legality.It's easy to argue that child porn websites should be blocked, but these systems have a habit of insidious creeping scope.
Next it's websites about guns.
Then it is opposition party websites.
Then it is foreign websites that suggest that people should have freedom and rights and liberty and power over the state.Without checks and balances, or due process (a site can only go onto the list with judicial overview, and with specific reasons.
Accidentally linking to a site that was hijacked with banned material should not count) this is a horrendously one-sided system.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353863</id>
	<title>get a LOAD of that.</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1245147720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>democratically elected parties, acting against the will of the citizens, without any worries.</p><p>elect a party, and for 5 years they do anything they want. until reelection.</p><p>apparently this 5 year duration is way too long. its like interim dictatorship. citizens do not matter until after 5 years.</p><p>we need to hold elections every year. so that there actually will be democracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>democratically elected parties , acting against the will of the citizens , without any worries.elect a party , and for 5 years they do anything they want .
until reelection.apparently this 5 year duration is way too long .
its like interim dictatorship .
citizens do not matter until after 5 years.we need to hold elections every year .
so that there actually will be democracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>democratically elected parties, acting against the will of the citizens, without any worries.elect a party, and for 5 years they do anything they want.
until reelection.apparently this 5 year duration is way too long.
its like interim dictatorship.
citizens do not matter until after 5 years.we need to hold elections every year.
so that there actually will be democracy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28408499</id>
	<title>Re:These parties are also big Linux supporters</title>
	<author>dave87656</author>
	<datestamp>1245614400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Nazi-Esque GPL" ???</p><p>The GPL merely says enjoy the freedom to use the software but grant that same freedom to others.</p><p>I suppose you find the Windows EULA grants you more freedom?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Nazi-Esque GPL " ? ?
? The GPL merely says enjoy the freedom to use the software but grant that same freedom to others.I suppose you find the Windows EULA grants you more freedom ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Nazi-Esque GPL" ??
?The GPL merely says enjoy the freedom to use the software but grant that same freedom to others.I suppose you find the Windows EULA grants you more freedom?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351239</id>
	<title>You just blew my freakin mind...</title>
	<author>TiggertheMad</author>
	<datestamp>1245180720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>It's the perfect storm of internet flamewars, completely immune to Godwin's Lawn!</i>
<br> <br>
Ignoring the other points you raised, didn't you just make it immune to Godwin's by mentioning Godwins? In effect isn't Godwin's just a case of Schodinger's cat, because you can't really discuss a thread's Godwin status in the thread without mentioning Godwin's, thus invoking the exception to the law?
<br> <br>
Thanks for 'killing Godwin's cat', you nazi.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the perfect storm of internet flamewars , completely immune to Godwin 's Lawn !
Ignoring the other points you raised , did n't you just make it immune to Godwin 's by mentioning Godwins ?
In effect is n't Godwin 's just a case of Schodinger 's cat , because you ca n't really discuss a thread 's Godwin status in the thread without mentioning Godwin 's , thus invoking the exception to the law ?
Thanks for 'killing Godwin 's cat ' , you nazi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the perfect storm of internet flamewars, completely immune to Godwin's Lawn!
Ignoring the other points you raised, didn't you just make it immune to Godwin's by mentioning Godwins?
In effect isn't Godwin's just a case of Schodinger's cat, because you can't really discuss a thread's Godwin status in the thread without mentioning Godwin's, thus invoking the exception to the law?
Thanks for 'killing Godwin's cat', you nazi.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351923</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245183180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a government we are talking about... They have a habit of introducing polyfiller laws... the kind to cover cracks and make people think they're actually doing something... I suspect although your assumptions make sense, are not and will not go into effect.</p><p>Point in case, it is still rather disturbingly easy to find child pornography online if all you do is think "where would you not bother to look".. It would be easy for any authority to look there, find the problem and remove/trace it - but they don't... why?.. well because nobody in the media has highlighted the problem recently and therefore it isn't one they need to worry about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a government we are talking about... They have a habit of introducing polyfiller laws... the kind to cover cracks and make people think they 're actually doing something... I suspect although your assumptions make sense , are not and will not go into effect.Point in case , it is still rather disturbingly easy to find child pornography online if all you do is think " where would you not bother to look " .. It would be easy for any authority to look there , find the problem and remove/trace it - but they do n't.. .
why ? .. well because nobody in the media has highlighted the problem recently and therefore it is n't one they need to worry about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a government we are talking about... They have a habit of introducing polyfiller laws... the kind to cover cracks and make people think they're actually doing something... I suspect although your assumptions make sense, are not and will not go into effect.Point in case, it is still rather disturbingly easy to find child pornography online if all you do is think "where would you not bother to look".. It would be easy for any authority to look there, find the problem and remove/trace it - but they don't...
why?.. well because nobody in the media has highlighted the problem recently and therefore it isn't one they need to worry about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352613</id>
	<title>ICANN</title>
	<author>Ogive17</author>
	<datestamp>1245142800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do some people still feel the EU would be better off handling ICANN instead of the US?  I know not every country in Europe has taken this path, but just having one member of the EU doing something like this is a bit troubling.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do some people still feel the EU would be better off handling ICANN instead of the US ?
I know not every country in Europe has taken this path , but just having one member of the EU doing something like this is a bit troubling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do some people still feel the EU would be better off handling ICANN instead of the US?
I know not every country in Europe has taken this path, but just having one member of the EU doing something like this is a bit troubling.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351225</id>
	<title>Re:Holy shit!</title>
	<author>Jesselnz</author>
	<datestamp>1245180600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This really isn't a big deal.  If the Germans want Internet, they can just take it from Poland, or maybe France (they could connect the tubes through Belgium).  It worked last time, didn't it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This really is n't a big deal .
If the Germans want Internet , they can just take it from Poland , or maybe France ( they could connect the tubes through Belgium ) .
It worked last time , did n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This really isn't a big deal.
If the Germans want Internet, they can just take it from Poland, or maybe France (they could connect the tubes through Belgium).
It worked last time, didn't it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350853</id>
	<title>Before we use the 'police state' meme again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245179160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Read TFA. This is not a 'police state' in the forming. This is a decision by the government, that apparently is backed by a majority of their citizens. We tend to forget here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. that not everyone values freedom of the net like we do. We netizens are outnumbered by well-mannered, law-abiding individuals who aren't particularly net-savvy, don't understand the social dynamics of the net, and frankly don't want to. These people hear the stories about child porn websites, they read about "HACKERS!!!" (aka black hats) conducting cyber warfare in Estonia and other government institutions, and they see the power of porn in general on the net, and they are frightened by it. To them, having government institute censorship under 'reasonable' guidelines is the norm and should be enforced because that is the system they live in. They're sheeple. They don't want to take the time to understand the true nature of the issues at stake because to them, there is no need to. They live safe, secure lives. They perceive the internet to be an unregulated, dangerous place where their children could be psychologically damaged, their finances plundered, their identities stolen, and above all else, a world that is completely outside their own. Yes, politicians are going to take this to the limit. Yes, this is a dangerous trend. In order to fight this, we have to understand the basis of this, and the basis is that we are outnumbered by people who do value security and comfort above freedom, because that is how they choose to live their lives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Read TFA .
This is not a 'police state ' in the forming .
This is a decision by the government , that apparently is backed by a majority of their citizens .
We tend to forget here on / .
that not everyone values freedom of the net like we do .
We netizens are outnumbered by well-mannered , law-abiding individuals who are n't particularly net-savvy , do n't understand the social dynamics of the net , and frankly do n't want to .
These people hear the stories about child porn websites , they read about " HACKERS ! ! !
" ( aka black hats ) conducting cyber warfare in Estonia and other government institutions , and they see the power of porn in general on the net , and they are frightened by it .
To them , having government institute censorship under 'reasonable ' guidelines is the norm and should be enforced because that is the system they live in .
They 're sheeple .
They do n't want to take the time to understand the true nature of the issues at stake because to them , there is no need to .
They live safe , secure lives .
They perceive the internet to be an unregulated , dangerous place where their children could be psychologically damaged , their finances plundered , their identities stolen , and above all else , a world that is completely outside their own .
Yes , politicians are going to take this to the limit .
Yes , this is a dangerous trend .
In order to fight this , we have to understand the basis of this , and the basis is that we are outnumbered by people who do value security and comfort above freedom , because that is how they choose to live their lives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read TFA.
This is not a 'police state' in the forming.
This is a decision by the government, that apparently is backed by a majority of their citizens.
We tend to forget here on /.
that not everyone values freedom of the net like we do.
We netizens are outnumbered by well-mannered, law-abiding individuals who aren't particularly net-savvy, don't understand the social dynamics of the net, and frankly don't want to.
These people hear the stories about child porn websites, they read about "HACKERS!!!
" (aka black hats) conducting cyber warfare in Estonia and other government institutions, and they see the power of porn in general on the net, and they are frightened by it.
To them, having government institute censorship under 'reasonable' guidelines is the norm and should be enforced because that is the system they live in.
They're sheeple.
They don't want to take the time to understand the true nature of the issues at stake because to them, there is no need to.
They live safe, secure lives.
They perceive the internet to be an unregulated, dangerous place where their children could be psychologically damaged, their finances plundered, their identities stolen, and above all else, a world that is completely outside their own.
Yes, politicians are going to take this to the limit.
Yes, this is a dangerous trend.
In order to fight this, we have to understand the basis of this, and the basis is that we are outnumbered by people who do value security and comfort above freedom, because that is how they choose to live their lives.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352487</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245185460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happens when the ballot looks like this:</p><p>Please select the candidate of your choice</p><ul><li>Bastard 1</li><li>Bastard 2</li><li>Bastard 3</li></ul></div><p>I'm hoping they look like this at least</p><p>Please select the candidate of your choice</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Bastard 1<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Bastard 2<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Bastard 3<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; * Cowboy Neal!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when the ballot looks like this : Please select the candidate of your choiceBastard 1Bastard 2Bastard 3I 'm hoping they look like this at leastPlease select the candidate of your choice         * Bastard 1         * Bastard 2         * Bastard 3         * Cowboy Neal !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when the ballot looks like this:Please select the candidate of your choiceBastard 1Bastard 2Bastard 3I'm hoping they look like this at leastPlease select the candidate of your choice
        * Bastard 1
        * Bastard 2
        * Bastard 3
        * Cowboy Neal!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353559</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245146400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What do you mean "when"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What do you mean " when " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What do you mean "when"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352329</id>
	<title>Re:These parties are also big Linux supporters</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245184800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you fear freedom?<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you fear freedom ?
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you fear freedom?
 </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350583</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350861</id>
	<title>Freudian Slip or Bad Translation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245179220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA:<p><div class="quote"><p>The net community did not only oppose the governments plans, but also made constructive suggestions how to deal with the problem of child pornography without introducing a censorship architecture and circumcising constitutional freedoms.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : The net community did not only oppose the governments plans , but also made constructive suggestions how to deal with the problem of child pornography without introducing a censorship architecture and circumcising constitutional freedoms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:The net community did not only oppose the governments plans, but also made constructive suggestions how to deal with the problem of child pornography without introducing a censorship architecture and circumcising constitutional freedoms.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28359173</id>
	<title>Re:Holy shit!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245234420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what you're really saying, is that Ursula von der Leyen is as bad as Hitler? Well, thre's goes your theory...</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what you 're really saying , is that Ursula von der Leyen is as bad as Hitler ?
Well , thre 's goes your theory.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what you're really saying, is that Ursula von der Leyen is as bad as Hitler?
Well, thre's goes your theory...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350845</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351589</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>TheGratefulNet</author>
	<datestamp>1245181980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>honeypot theory?</p><p>you may be right.  letting port 53 outbound thru but LOGGING who connects out of the country.</p><p>yup, very plausible.</p><p>expect it to spread to other countries, too<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;(</p><p>this is the century of anti-freedom, worldwide.  yes, its really that bad and its getting WORSE each passing day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>honeypot theory ? you may be right .
letting port 53 outbound thru but LOGGING who connects out of the country.yup , very plausible.expect it to spread to other countries , too ; ( this is the century of anti-freedom , worldwide .
yes , its really that bad and its getting WORSE each passing day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>honeypot theory?you may be right.
letting port 53 outbound thru but LOGGING who connects out of the country.yup, very plausible.expect it to spread to other countries, too ;(this is the century of anti-freedom, worldwide.
yes, its really that bad and its getting WORSE each passing day.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352553</id>
	<title>4.2.2.2</title>
	<author>LordMyren</author>
	<datestamp>1245185760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>maybe now the cock-arsed moderators at wikipedia will stop deleting the 4.2.2.2 article.</htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe now the cock-arsed moderators at wikipedia will stop deleting the 4.2.2.2 article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe now the cock-arsed moderators at wikipedia will stop deleting the 4.2.2.2 article.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28358937</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>polle404</author>
	<datestamp>1245231540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>MmmmKay...<br>
I happen to be a network tech at a Danish ISP and have been doing so for 10 years. <br>
While we are required to log some stuff for minimum 1 year,<br>
none has ever expressed any interest in DNS logs, ever.<br>
The only authorities who can request any sort of information are Police and military, via a court order.
<br>They can by court order just get the interface of interest mirrored, so why should a understaffed and overworked Police care about what DNS you use?
<br>
<br>
On that note, very few in the Danish government knows what DNS is.
<br> <br>
Your tinfoil hat may to be too tight, me thinks?</htmltext>
<tokenext>MmmmKay.. . I happen to be a network tech at a Danish ISP and have been doing so for 10 years .
While we are required to log some stuff for minimum 1 year , none has ever expressed any interest in DNS logs , ever .
The only authorities who can request any sort of information are Police and military , via a court order .
They can by court order just get the interface of interest mirrored , so why should a understaffed and overworked Police care about what DNS you use ?
On that note , very few in the Danish government knows what DNS is .
Your tinfoil hat may to be too tight , me thinks ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MmmmKay...
I happen to be a network tech at a Danish ISP and have been doing so for 10 years.
While we are required to log some stuff for minimum 1 year,
none has ever expressed any interest in DNS logs, ever.
The only authorities who can request any sort of information are Police and military, via a court order.
They can by court order just get the interface of interest mirrored, so why should a understaffed and overworked Police care about what DNS you use?
On that note, very few in the Danish government knows what DNS is.
Your tinfoil hat may to be too tight, me thinks?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352471</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245185340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beta Test AdaptorConfig (http://www.AdaptorConfig.com) it resolves DNS queries on port 80 as a hashed TCP/IP sequence. so a DNS query would not show up on port 53.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beta Test AdaptorConfig ( http : //www.AdaptorConfig.com ) it resolves DNS queries on port 80 as a hashed TCP/IP sequence .
so a DNS query would not show up on port 53 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beta Test AdaptorConfig (http://www.AdaptorConfig.com) it resolves DNS queries on port 80 as a hashed TCP/IP sequence.
so a DNS query would not show up on port 53.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351269</id>
	<title>Does anybody know</title>
	<author>UWM</author>
	<datestamp>1245180900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>the url that traffic is directed to?</htmltext>
<tokenext>the url that traffic is directed to ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the url that traffic is directed to?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351803</id>
	<title>This is not..</title>
	<author>OneSmartFellow</author>
	<datestamp>1245182640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...your Democratic Republic of Germany; move along, nothing to see here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...your Democratic Republic of Germany ; move along , nothing to see here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...your Democratic Republic of Germany; move along, nothing to see here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353315</id>
	<title>DDOS the stop page</title>
	<author>fafaforza</author>
	<datestamp>1245145500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder how hard it would be to DDOS the "stop" page so that whenever the general populace types in something objectionable, and they're redirected to the stop page, it will never load and they'll end up calling their ISP.  This might cause enough cost for the firms, and general backlash that the government might back down from it.</p><p>Somewhat eye for an eye, but it doesn't sound like the government gave the general populace any chance of voting for this, and cloaked it in the old "won't somebody think of the children" excuse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how hard it would be to DDOS the " stop " page so that whenever the general populace types in something objectionable , and they 're redirected to the stop page , it will never load and they 'll end up calling their ISP .
This might cause enough cost for the firms , and general backlash that the government might back down from it.Somewhat eye for an eye , but it does n't sound like the government gave the general populace any chance of voting for this , and cloaked it in the old " wo n't somebody think of the children " excuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how hard it would be to DDOS the "stop" page so that whenever the general populace types in something objectionable, and they're redirected to the stop page, it will never load and they'll end up calling their ISP.
This might cause enough cost for the firms, and general backlash that the government might back down from it.Somewhat eye for an eye, but it doesn't sound like the government gave the general populace any chance of voting for this, and cloaked it in the old "won't somebody think of the children" excuse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350895</id>
	<title>brothels?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245179340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, what?  Legal brothels are okay but internet smut is a bridge too far?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , what ?
Legal brothels are okay but internet smut is a bridge too far ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, what?
Legal brothels are okay but internet smut is a bridge too far?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353325</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245145560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We do have way more bastards than that!</p><p>We have<br>bastards black<br>bastards yellow<br>bastards green<br>bastards red<br>bastards really red<br>and (wouldn't be Germany without them) bastards brown<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We do have way more bastards than that ! We havebastards blackbastards yellowbastards greenbastards redbastards really redand ( would n't be Germany without them ) bastards brown : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We do have way more bastards than that!We havebastards blackbastards yellowbastards greenbastards redbastards really redand (wouldn't be Germany without them) bastards brown :-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351565</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351491</id>
	<title>Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again...</title>
	<author>sesshomaru</author>
	<datestamp>1245181620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <em><br>We tend to forget here on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. that not everyone values freedom of the net like we do.<br></em></p></div></blockquote><p>Indeed, Germany is famous for not valuing freedom like we do.  Of course, the last time they "didn't value freedom like we do" well that didn't work out so well for us, or France, or Belgium, or England, or Poland....</p><p>I'm just saying...</p><p>I'm sure back in Weimar Germany, no one thought that censoring the ending of <i>Cabinet of Dr. Caligari</i> was a precursor to the Third Reich but that's the way things turned out...</p><p>Look, if I were a German citizen, I'd probably be extra-hyper-vigilant about authoritarian tendencies.. you know, what with two world wars and the lovely example of The Third Reich and later East Germany before me.  But that's just me.</p><p>I'll say it's none of my business until they move into the Sudetenland, however.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We tend to forget here on / .
that not everyone values freedom of the net like we do.Indeed , Germany is famous for not valuing freedom like we do .
Of course , the last time they " did n't value freedom like we do " well that did n't work out so well for us , or France , or Belgium , or England , or Poland....I 'm just saying...I 'm sure back in Weimar Germany , no one thought that censoring the ending of Cabinet of Dr. Caligari was a precursor to the Third Reich but that 's the way things turned out...Look , if I were a German citizen , I 'd probably be extra-hyper-vigilant about authoritarian tendencies.. you know , what with two world wars and the lovely example of The Third Reich and later East Germany before me .
But that 's just me.I 'll say it 's none of my business until they move into the Sudetenland , however .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> We tend to forget here on /.
that not everyone values freedom of the net like we do.Indeed, Germany is famous for not valuing freedom like we do.
Of course, the last time they "didn't value freedom like we do" well that didn't work out so well for us, or France, or Belgium, or England, or Poland....I'm just saying...I'm sure back in Weimar Germany, no one thought that censoring the ending of Cabinet of Dr. Caligari was a precursor to the Third Reich but that's the way things turned out...Look, if I were a German citizen, I'd probably be extra-hyper-vigilant about authoritarian tendencies.. you know, what with two world wars and the lovely example of The Third Reich and later East Germany before me.
But that's just me.I'll say it's none of my business until they move into the Sudetenland, however.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350853</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28359021</id>
	<title>Use IP addresses and DNS issues go away</title>
	<author>jannewmarch</author>
	<datestamp>1245232440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If governments start poisoning DNS servers, then we may need to go back to using raw IP addresses. Instead of <a href="http://xyz.com/" title="xyz.com" rel="nofollow">http://xyz.com/</a> [xyz.com] use <a href="http://123.456.789.012./" title="456.789.012" rel="nofollow">http://123.456.789.012./</a> [456.789.012] DNS was always a trust-based system anyway and that trust is being removed. Alternatively, point your PC to DNS servers outside the affected country.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If governments start poisoning DNS servers , then we may need to go back to using raw IP addresses .
Instead of http : //xyz.com/ [ xyz.com ] use http : //123.456.789.012./ [ 456.789.012 ] DNS was always a trust-based system anyway and that trust is being removed .
Alternatively , point your PC to DNS servers outside the affected country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If governments start poisoning DNS servers, then we may need to go back to using raw IP addresses.
Instead of http://xyz.com/ [xyz.com] use http://123.456.789.012./ [456.789.012] DNS was always a trust-based system anyway and that trust is being removed.
Alternatively, point your PC to DNS servers outside the affected country.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353415</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245145860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That attitude is exactly what helps (and will help) the governments to pass such laws. The people who don't understand the technology, don't seem to fully understand the implications and give the government a free pass (everything for "the children"). Those who understand the technology, are usually geeks. People who are part of the "I'm a smart ass" culture and therefore will always take the (partially true) stand that "they can't really stop us, we will bypass their attempt for control".</p><p>Yes, it is possible (even easily) for well informed people to bypass such censorships, but that is besides the point and contradicts what the internet is and should be all about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That attitude is exactly what helps ( and will help ) the governments to pass such laws .
The people who do n't understand the technology , do n't seem to fully understand the implications and give the government a free pass ( everything for " the children " ) .
Those who understand the technology , are usually geeks .
People who are part of the " I 'm a smart ass " culture and therefore will always take the ( partially true ) stand that " they ca n't really stop us , we will bypass their attempt for control " .Yes , it is possible ( even easily ) for well informed people to bypass such censorships , but that is besides the point and contradicts what the internet is and should be all about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That attitude is exactly what helps (and will help) the governments to pass such laws.
The people who don't understand the technology, don't seem to fully understand the implications and give the government a free pass (everything for "the children").
Those who understand the technology, are usually geeks.
People who are part of the "I'm a smart ass" culture and therefore will always take the (partially true) stand that "they can't really stop us, we will bypass their attempt for control".Yes, it is possible (even easily) for well informed people to bypass such censorships, but that is besides the point and contradicts what the internet is and should be all about.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351591</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351341</id>
	<title>The 1st thing to come to mind was...</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1245181140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... Way to take a page out of *China &amp; Iran's* playbook there Germany!!</p><p>The second thing is, "Isn't this exactly what Hitler would have done if they had the internet in the 40's?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... Way to take a page out of * China &amp; Iran 's * playbook there Germany !
! The second thing is , " Is n't this exactly what Hitler would have done if they had the internet in the 40 's ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... Way to take a page out of *China &amp; Iran's* playbook there Germany!
!The second thing is, "Isn't this exactly what Hitler would have done if they had the internet in the 40's?
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350849</id>
	<title>Old news for Finland, too</title>
	<author>wolfie123</author>
	<datestamp>1245179160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>We've had this in Finland for a while now, too. See <a href="http://lapsiporno.info/english-2008-02-15.html" title="lapsiporno.info" rel="nofollow">http://lapsiporno.info/english-2008-02-15.html</a> [lapsiporno.info] for internet activist Matti Nikki's fight against the debated censorship. OpenDNS is the de facto way to circumvent this censor list.

Ironically, his site is blocked by the child porn list by our Keskusrikospoliisi (federal police).</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've had this in Finland for a while now , too .
See http : //lapsiporno.info/english-2008-02-15.html [ lapsiporno.info ] for internet activist Matti Nikki 's fight against the debated censorship .
OpenDNS is the de facto way to circumvent this censor list .
Ironically , his site is blocked by the child porn list by our Keskusrikospoliisi ( federal police ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've had this in Finland for a while now, too.
See http://lapsiporno.info/english-2008-02-15.html [lapsiporno.info] for internet activist Matti Nikki's fight against the debated censorship.
OpenDNS is the de facto way to circumvent this censor list.
Ironically, his site is blocked by the child porn list by our Keskusrikospoliisi (federal police).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353401</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1245145800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But they are extreme!  They don't support democracy!  And if the people agree with them, that's because the people are wrong!  And if the people elect them, they shouldn't be allowed to!</p><p>See the furore about the <i>elected</i> - by the people - BNP representatives in the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But they are extreme !
They do n't support democracy !
And if the people agree with them , that 's because the people are wrong !
And if the people elect them , they should n't be allowed to ! See the furore about the elected - by the people - BNP representatives in the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But they are extreme!
They don't support democracy!
And if the people agree with them, that's because the people are wrong!
And if the people elect them, they shouldn't be allowed to!See the furore about the elected - by the people - BNP representatives in the UK.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28384807</id>
	<title>Re:Elect someone else doesn't work!</title>
	<author>Mordant</author>
	<datestamp>1245340620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Guess why Ron Paul ran for the Republicans? Because he knew that as a third party/independent he wouldn't even get on the ballets</p><p>You have to admit, the thought of Ron Paul en pointe in tights is a pretty powerful argument for censorship, in and of itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Guess why Ron Paul ran for the Republicans ?
Because he knew that as a third party/independent he would n't even get on the balletsYou have to admit , the thought of Ron Paul en pointe in tights is a pretty powerful argument for censorship , in and of itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Guess why Ron Paul ran for the Republicans?
Because he knew that as a third party/independent he wouldn't even get on the balletsYou have to admit, the thought of Ron Paul en pointe in tights is a pretty powerful argument for censorship, in and of itself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352777</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351207</id>
	<title>Don't they ever learn?</title>
	<author>nsayer</author>
	<datestamp>1245180600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah. The last time the Germans had a government that exercised control over the press worked out <i>so</i> well for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
The last time the Germans had a government that exercised control over the press worked out so well for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
The last time the Germans had a government that exercised control over the press worked out so well for them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28356303</id>
	<title>Guise?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245161700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unless you live in China or Iran etc you're kidding yourself if you say "under the usual guise of protecting children".  Sure you can argue about the effectiveness or point of it all but surely you don't really believe Germany or nearly any other western county gives two hoots about what adults look at on the internet as long as its not child porn or making bombs or perhaps it doesn't dodge some countries gambling laws?</p><p>Its not a guise - people who propose these kinds of things actually do want to do things like protect children - and any facts like they may be idiots to think it will work or you think they are idiots for wanting to do it in the first place does not make it a "guise" for any other conspiracy you are imagining.</p><p>I'm fed up with all this crap about big nasty policy makers trying to steal your internet freedom for some strange reason no one can say.  Unless you live in Countries that really do try and surpress freedom for public expression stop dreaming...</p><p>It simple - its stupid policy makers with intentions that most of the voters agree with not having a clue on how to meet those intentions or even whether it is possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unless you live in China or Iran etc you 're kidding yourself if you say " under the usual guise of protecting children " .
Sure you can argue about the effectiveness or point of it all but surely you do n't really believe Germany or nearly any other western county gives two hoots about what adults look at on the internet as long as its not child porn or making bombs or perhaps it does n't dodge some countries gambling laws ? Its not a guise - people who propose these kinds of things actually do want to do things like protect children - and any facts like they may be idiots to think it will work or you think they are idiots for wanting to do it in the first place does not make it a " guise " for any other conspiracy you are imagining.I 'm fed up with all this crap about big nasty policy makers trying to steal your internet freedom for some strange reason no one can say .
Unless you live in Countries that really do try and surpress freedom for public expression stop dreaming...It simple - its stupid policy makers with intentions that most of the voters agree with not having a clue on how to meet those intentions or even whether it is possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless you live in China or Iran etc you're kidding yourself if you say "under the usual guise of protecting children".
Sure you can argue about the effectiveness or point of it all but surely you don't really believe Germany or nearly any other western county gives two hoots about what adults look at on the internet as long as its not child porn or making bombs or perhaps it doesn't dodge some countries gambling laws?Its not a guise - people who propose these kinds of things actually do want to do things like protect children - and any facts like they may be idiots to think it will work or you think they are idiots for wanting to do it in the first place does not make it a "guise" for any other conspiracy you are imagining.I'm fed up with all this crap about big nasty policy makers trying to steal your internet freedom for some strange reason no one can say.
Unless you live in Countries that really do try and surpress freedom for public expression stop dreaming...It simple - its stupid policy makers with intentions that most of the voters agree with not having a clue on how to meet those intentions or even whether it is possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351613</id>
	<title>Re:Old news for Finland, too</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1245182040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Ironically, his site is blocked by the child porn list by our Keskusrikospoliisi (federal police).</p></div><p>Dude, that's not ironic, that's inevitable.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ironically , his site is blocked by the child porn list by our Keskusrikospoliisi ( federal police ) .Dude , that 's not ironic , that 's inevitable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ironically, his site is blocked by the child porn list by our Keskusrikospoliisi (federal police).Dude, that's not ironic, that's inevitable.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350849</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28354917</id>
	<title>"Usual Guise", Usual Ignorance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245153300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"usual guise of protecting the children."</p><p>Most of the vocal participants don't know what they're talking about.  "Child porn" is not "porn".  It is legal evidence of sexual assaults on children.  It's not paid actors or models.  It would be more accurate if the subject matter were described as "Child Rape Images."</p><p>Like the narcotics problem, this is partly a demand problem.  Demand for these images leads to the creation of more images... and leads to more sexual assaults on children.</p><p>If you think legislators are having an "extreme" reaction, it's probably because they understand the scope and scale of the problem.  It's probably because they've seen some of the material that the police have to deal with.  Most of the commentators in this thread would share their revulsion and fury, and the instinct to do something.</p><p>Perhaps the law enforcement response lacks subtlety, and perhaps it lacks sophistication. Perhaps there are better ways.  If you don't like the sledge-hammer approach, make constructive suggestions about how law enforcement and legislators can (i) frustrate the demand for such imagery, and (ii) catch the sick fucks producing and sharing such images. Don't sit here yammering about the end of freedom. Help solve the problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" usual guise of protecting the children .
" Most of the vocal participants do n't know what they 're talking about .
" Child porn " is not " porn " .
It is legal evidence of sexual assaults on children .
It 's not paid actors or models .
It would be more accurate if the subject matter were described as " Child Rape Images .
" Like the narcotics problem , this is partly a demand problem .
Demand for these images leads to the creation of more images... and leads to more sexual assaults on children.If you think legislators are having an " extreme " reaction , it 's probably because they understand the scope and scale of the problem .
It 's probably because they 've seen some of the material that the police have to deal with .
Most of the commentators in this thread would share their revulsion and fury , and the instinct to do something.Perhaps the law enforcement response lacks subtlety , and perhaps it lacks sophistication .
Perhaps there are better ways .
If you do n't like the sledge-hammer approach , make constructive suggestions about how law enforcement and legislators can ( i ) frustrate the demand for such imagery , and ( ii ) catch the sick fucks producing and sharing such images .
Do n't sit here yammering about the end of freedom .
Help solve the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"usual guise of protecting the children.
"Most of the vocal participants don't know what they're talking about.
"Child porn" is not "porn".
It is legal evidence of sexual assaults on children.
It's not paid actors or models.
It would be more accurate if the subject matter were described as "Child Rape Images.
"Like the narcotics problem, this is partly a demand problem.
Demand for these images leads to the creation of more images... and leads to more sexual assaults on children.If you think legislators are having an "extreme" reaction, it's probably because they understand the scope and scale of the problem.
It's probably because they've seen some of the material that the police have to deal with.
Most of the commentators in this thread would share their revulsion and fury, and the instinct to do something.Perhaps the law enforcement response lacks subtlety, and perhaps it lacks sophistication.
Perhaps there are better ways.
If you don't like the sledge-hammer approach, make constructive suggestions about how law enforcement and legislators can (i) frustrate the demand for such imagery, and (ii) catch the sick fucks producing and sharing such images.
Don't sit here yammering about the end of freedom.
Help solve the problem.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353763</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>riceboy50</author>
	<datestamp>1245147300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The trouble is, there is a large and growing portion of the government now which is non-elected and non-transparent to an apathetic and uninformed public&mdash;who might be able to do something about it if only they were aware and knew what to do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The trouble is , there is a large and growing portion of the government now which is non-elected and non-transparent to an apathetic and uninformed public    who might be able to do something about it if only they were aware and knew what to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trouble is, there is a large and growing portion of the government now which is non-elected and non-transparent to an apathetic and uninformed public—who might be able to do something about it if only they were aware and knew what to do.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352673</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28355719</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245157800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I've yet to see any real evidence</p></div> </blockquote><p> <em>Real</em> evidence as in <em>true</em> scotsmen?</p><blockquote><div><p>that democratic governments actively practice censorship to get rid of dissidents</p></div> </blockquote><p>You don't get rid of dissidents by censoring. You get rid of them by smearing them publicly and then locking them away for pedophilia or terrorism. What you <em>do</em> get rid of using censorship is the publicity of their opinions.</p><blockquote><div><p>based on some observation made by some paranoid person</p></div></blockquote><p>So we're to take your word that all of these people are paranoid? How do you know? Because they see something wrong with things you don't? Isn't that like saying "I don't think it's true. As evidence I offer the fact that only people with whom I disagree think it's true!"?</p><blockquote><div><p>But a functioning democratic government</p></div></blockquote><p>It isn't, except if by "function" you mean "re-applying the laws of gravitational attraction to money and power".</p><blockquote><div><p>I doubt it</p></div></blockquote><p>Good! Now start doubting the other side, too, and try to educate yourself.</p><blockquote><div><p>proper safeguards</p></div></blockquote><p>They aren't.</p><blockquote><div><p>term limits</p></div></blockquote><p>Meaningless in a system where parties determine the cabinet and two thirds of the representatives.</p><blockquote><div><p>separation of powers</p></div></blockquote><p>This is exactly what the law will circumvent: The BKA will be judicial and executive in one, with no oversight.</p><blockquote><div><p>always a whole bunch of people disagreeing with each other</p></div></blockquote><p>Another problem. Divide et impera.</p><blockquote><div><p>you might as well ask a peep of headless chickens to conspire to overthrow society</p></div></blockquote><p>I think you're right. This would probably fail because headless chicken have far too much moral integrity, as opposed to our oh-so-innocent "elite".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've yet to see any real evidence Real evidence as in true scotsmen ? that democratic governments actively practice censorship to get rid of dissidents You do n't get rid of dissidents by censoring .
You get rid of them by smearing them publicly and then locking them away for pedophilia or terrorism .
What you do get rid of using censorship is the publicity of their opinions.based on some observation made by some paranoid personSo we 're to take your word that all of these people are paranoid ?
How do you know ?
Because they see something wrong with things you do n't ?
Is n't that like saying " I do n't think it 's true .
As evidence I offer the fact that only people with whom I disagree think it 's true !
" ? But a functioning democratic governmentIt is n't , except if by " function " you mean " re-applying the laws of gravitational attraction to money and power " .I doubt itGood !
Now start doubting the other side , too , and try to educate yourself.proper safeguardsThey are n't.term limitsMeaningless in a system where parties determine the cabinet and two thirds of the representatives.separation of powersThis is exactly what the law will circumvent : The BKA will be judicial and executive in one , with no oversight.always a whole bunch of people disagreeing with each otherAnother problem .
Divide et impera.you might as well ask a peep of headless chickens to conspire to overthrow societyI think you 're right .
This would probably fail because headless chicken have far too much moral integrity , as opposed to our oh-so-innocent " elite " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've yet to see any real evidence  Real evidence as in true scotsmen?that democratic governments actively practice censorship to get rid of dissidents You don't get rid of dissidents by censoring.
You get rid of them by smearing them publicly and then locking them away for pedophilia or terrorism.
What you do get rid of using censorship is the publicity of their opinions.based on some observation made by some paranoid personSo we're to take your word that all of these people are paranoid?
How do you know?
Because they see something wrong with things you don't?
Isn't that like saying "I don't think it's true.
As evidence I offer the fact that only people with whom I disagree think it's true!
"?But a functioning democratic governmentIt isn't, except if by "function" you mean "re-applying the laws of gravitational attraction to money and power".I doubt itGood!
Now start doubting the other side, too, and try to educate yourself.proper safeguardsThey aren't.term limitsMeaningless in a system where parties determine the cabinet and two thirds of the representatives.separation of powersThis is exactly what the law will circumvent: The BKA will be judicial and executive in one, with no oversight.always a whole bunch of people disagreeing with each otherAnother problem.
Divide et impera.you might as well ask a peep of headless chickens to conspire to overthrow societyI think you're right.
This would probably fail because headless chicken have far too much moral integrity, as opposed to our oh-so-innocent "elite".
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28355015</id>
	<title>Re:Holy shit!</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1245153900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's the perfect storm of internet flamewars, completely immune to Godwin's Lawn!</p></div><p>Just like the Nazis!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the perfect storm of internet flamewars , completely immune to Godwin 's Lawn ! Just like the Nazis !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the perfect storm of internet flamewars, completely immune to Godwin's Lawn!Just like the Nazis!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350845</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28359159</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245234060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Non-profit business is an oxymoron.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Non-profit business is an oxymoron .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Non-profit business is an oxymoron.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351441</id>
	<title>Aim: #1 in google</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245181440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b4c81577" title="blog.fefe.de" rel="nofollow">SPD</a> [blog.fefe.de]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SPD [ blog.fefe.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SPD [blog.fefe.de]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351149</id>
	<title>Well ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245180360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... let's see, If it were a child pornography site, then yes, I would agree with censorship. Why is it that people always assume that governments are meddling with their privacy, freedom of speech and freedom of choice when it's the same governments provide a blanket of protection? I am a 'lefty' on many issues, but when I see blind reactions against government against censorship, I tend to do some research, why not create a 'whitelist' of website, test it and see of you get blocked and believe you shouldn't, if you do, file a legal action against the government agency. If that site really shouldn't be blocked and was, then I'm pretty sure the whole legislation would eventually be scrapped.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... let 's see , If it were a child pornography site , then yes , I would agree with censorship .
Why is it that people always assume that governments are meddling with their privacy , freedom of speech and freedom of choice when it 's the same governments provide a blanket of protection ?
I am a 'lefty ' on many issues , but when I see blind reactions against government against censorship , I tend to do some research , why not create a 'whitelist ' of website , test it and see of you get blocked and believe you should n't , if you do , file a legal action against the government agency .
If that site really should n't be blocked and was , then I 'm pretty sure the whole legislation would eventually be scrapped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... let's see, If it were a child pornography site, then yes, I would agree with censorship.
Why is it that people always assume that governments are meddling with their privacy, freedom of speech and freedom of choice when it's the same governments provide a blanket of protection?
I am a 'lefty' on many issues, but when I see blind reactions against government against censorship, I tend to do some research, why not create a 'whitelist' of website, test it and see of you get blocked and believe you shouldn't, if you do, file a legal action against the government agency.
If that site really shouldn't be blocked and was, then I'm pretty sure the whole legislation would eventually be scrapped.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352351</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>herks</author>
	<datestamp>1245184860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happens when the ballot looks like this:
</p><p>
Please select the candidate of your choice
</p><ul>
<li>Bastard 1</li><li>Bastard 2</li><li>Bastard 3</li></ul></div><p>Then you are in America.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when the ballot looks like this : Please select the candidate of your choice Bastard 1Bastard 2Bastard 3Then you are in America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when the ballot looks like this:

Please select the candidate of your choice

Bastard 1Bastard 2Bastard 3Then you are in America.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353113</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1245144660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>We've had that in Denmark for years now. OpenDNS should be the solution to all of your problems...</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Cue OpenDNS displaying a stop sign when visited in 3...2...1...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've had that in Denmark for years now .
OpenDNS should be the solution to all of your problems.. . Cue OpenDNS displaying a stop sign when visited in 3...2...1.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've had that in Denmark for years now.
OpenDNS should be the solution to all of your problems...
Cue OpenDNS displaying a stop sign when visited in 3...2...1...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350587</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352443</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>skuzzlebutt</author>
	<datestamp>1245185220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here I go exposing my weak grasp of the concept, but, for example, my company passes all network traffic through a proxy, and disallowed sites are blocked outright. Wouldn't it make more sense for Germany to force all ISPs doing business in their borders to do the same, as opposed to them trying to manage DNS traffic? I guess the breakdown in the concept would be: how big a server farm would the German government have to build to filter the 80 million users' traffic...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here I go exposing my weak grasp of the concept , but , for example , my company passes all network traffic through a proxy , and disallowed sites are blocked outright .
Would n't it make more sense for Germany to force all ISPs doing business in their borders to do the same , as opposed to them trying to manage DNS traffic ?
I guess the breakdown in the concept would be : how big a server farm would the German government have to build to filter the 80 million users ' traffic.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here I go exposing my weak grasp of the concept, but, for example, my company passes all network traffic through a proxy, and disallowed sites are blocked outright.
Wouldn't it make more sense for Germany to force all ISPs doing business in their borders to do the same, as opposed to them trying to manage DNS traffic?
I guess the breakdown in the concept would be: how big a server farm would the German government have to build to filter the 80 million users' traffic...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350587</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351465</id>
	<title>Not just Germany.</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1245181560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check the UK's digital Britain report released today. Under their plans to tackle file sharing they will start by sending letters.</p><p>If file sharing hasn't dropped by 70\%, they're going to start blocking sites, packet shaping, etc.</p><p>It doesn't make for pleasant reading, there is absolutely no way they'll get a 70\% drop in file sharing, especially not in 6 months so effectively it sounds like the government is using citizens not stopping file sharing as an excuse for a much greater censorship program by setting unrealistic targets on file sharing.</p><p>It's nice to know the Labour government is finished, but it's disturbing to know that the Tories will almost certainly follow through with this legislation and that even some of the Lib Dems support it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check the UK 's digital Britain report released today .
Under their plans to tackle file sharing they will start by sending letters.If file sharing has n't dropped by 70 \ % , they 're going to start blocking sites , packet shaping , etc.It does n't make for pleasant reading , there is absolutely no way they 'll get a 70 \ % drop in file sharing , especially not in 6 months so effectively it sounds like the government is using citizens not stopping file sharing as an excuse for a much greater censorship program by setting unrealistic targets on file sharing.It 's nice to know the Labour government is finished , but it 's disturbing to know that the Tories will almost certainly follow through with this legislation and that even some of the Lib Dems support it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check the UK's digital Britain report released today.
Under their plans to tackle file sharing they will start by sending letters.If file sharing hasn't dropped by 70\%, they're going to start blocking sites, packet shaping, etc.It doesn't make for pleasant reading, there is absolutely no way they'll get a 70\% drop in file sharing, especially not in 6 months so effectively it sounds like the government is using citizens not stopping file sharing as an excuse for a much greater censorship program by setting unrealistic targets on file sharing.It's nice to know the Labour government is finished, but it's disturbing to know that the Tories will almost certainly follow through with this legislation and that even some of the Lib Dems support it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28354055</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1245148620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last I checked, getting on the ballot wasn't that hard even in US (otherwise notorious for that antiquated two-party system), if you have a good rallying cause. Most third parties manage to do so just fine. The trick is in getting people to vote for you...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last I checked , getting on the ballot was n't that hard even in US ( otherwise notorious for that antiquated two-party system ) , if you have a good rallying cause .
Most third parties manage to do so just fine .
The trick is in getting people to vote for you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last I checked, getting on the ballot wasn't that hard even in US (otherwise notorious for that antiquated two-party system), if you have a good rallying cause.
Most third parties manage to do so just fine.
The trick is in getting people to vote for you...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351565</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28354993</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1245153780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>expect it to spread to other countries, too</p> </div><p>Well country X, Y and Z has it and it helps 'protect the children' and the nerds know how to get around it so what's the big deal right?</p><p>Well once all of the EU has the same filters <b>what</b> is the big deal moving it a little forward with more restrictive rulesets because what we have done isn't working well enough.</p><p>People really don't give politicians much credit. Everyone thinks they are totally dumb yet they sure do know how to stay in office term after term and most have went to very nice colleges.</p><p>And we all know it's never about doing what is right, just, good for the country, etc. It's always about doing what is best for that politician and what gets them more power. After all who wants to run for public office or for that mater be a cop? Mostly people who seek some level of control over others.</p><p>It's truely a sad state when people on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. think that they are protected from big brother because they know how to change their DNS servers. But then again I guess the whole world is in a pretty sad state when a handful of people can cause a global depression... BTW has anyone heard of any federal investigations going anywhere with these companies and their CEO's?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>expect it to spread to other countries , too Well country X , Y and Z has it and it helps 'protect the children ' and the nerds know how to get around it so what 's the big deal right ? Well once all of the EU has the same filters what is the big deal moving it a little forward with more restrictive rulesets because what we have done is n't working well enough.People really do n't give politicians much credit .
Everyone thinks they are totally dumb yet they sure do know how to stay in office term after term and most have went to very nice colleges.And we all know it 's never about doing what is right , just , good for the country , etc .
It 's always about doing what is best for that politician and what gets them more power .
After all who wants to run for public office or for that mater be a cop ?
Mostly people who seek some level of control over others.It 's truely a sad state when people on / .
think that they are protected from big brother because they know how to change their DNS servers .
But then again I guess the whole world is in a pretty sad state when a handful of people can cause a global depression... BTW has anyone heard of any federal investigations going anywhere with these companies and their CEO 's ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>expect it to spread to other countries, too Well country X, Y and Z has it and it helps 'protect the children' and the nerds know how to get around it so what's the big deal right?Well once all of the EU has the same filters what is the big deal moving it a little forward with more restrictive rulesets because what we have done isn't working well enough.People really don't give politicians much credit.
Everyone thinks they are totally dumb yet they sure do know how to stay in office term after term and most have went to very nice colleges.And we all know it's never about doing what is right, just, good for the country, etc.
It's always about doing what is best for that politician and what gets them more power.
After all who wants to run for public office or for that mater be a cop?
Mostly people who seek some level of control over others.It's truely a sad state when people on /.
think that they are protected from big brother because they know how to change their DNS servers.
But then again I guess the whole world is in a pretty sad state when a handful of people can cause a global depression... BTW has anyone heard of any federal investigations going anywhere with these companies and their CEO's?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351589</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352229</id>
	<title>Re:The real discouraging thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245184440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wait for the next election, elect some other party into the majority and hope they actually behave differently? Just seems like every year things get worse, no matter who's in office.</p></div><p>I, too find it very frustrating that allmost all political discussion these days seems to be about adding more restrictions in every field: Internet censorship, Smoking bans, Keeping minors from drinking, "Killerspiele", "Umweltzonen", etc... Trading freedoms for percieved security.</p><p>At least when it comes to free-speech and online rights, my hope lies in the pirate party. Maybe we can follow the swedes (they did get 7.1\% at the EU elections in sweden - just 0.9\% in germany so far). I don't expect enough people to vote them to have any significant influence any time soon, but if their polls go up to a few percent, the politicians can't help noticing that ignoring these matters is going to cost them votes, and we might see more critical reflection of these issues in mainstream political discussion.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait for the next election , elect some other party into the majority and hope they actually behave differently ?
Just seems like every year things get worse , no matter who 's in office.I , too find it very frustrating that allmost all political discussion these days seems to be about adding more restrictions in every field : Internet censorship , Smoking bans , Keeping minors from drinking , " Killerspiele " , " Umweltzonen " , etc... Trading freedoms for percieved security.At least when it comes to free-speech and online rights , my hope lies in the pirate party .
Maybe we can follow the swedes ( they did get 7.1 \ % at the EU elections in sweden - just 0.9 \ % in germany so far ) .
I do n't expect enough people to vote them to have any significant influence any time soon , but if their polls go up to a few percent , the politicians ca n't help noticing that ignoring these matters is going to cost them votes , and we might see more critical reflection of these issues in mainstream political discussion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait for the next election, elect some other party into the majority and hope they actually behave differently?
Just seems like every year things get worse, no matter who's in office.I, too find it very frustrating that allmost all political discussion these days seems to be about adding more restrictions in every field: Internet censorship, Smoking bans, Keeping minors from drinking, "Killerspiele", "Umweltzonen", etc... Trading freedoms for percieved security.At least when it comes to free-speech and online rights, my hope lies in the pirate party.
Maybe we can follow the swedes (they did get 7.1\% at the EU elections in sweden - just 0.9\% in germany so far).
I don't expect enough people to vote them to have any significant influence any time soon, but if their polls go up to a few percent, the politicians can't help noticing that ignoring these matters is going to cost them votes, and we might see more critical reflection of these issues in mainstream political discussion.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351779</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352183</id>
	<title>Separation of powers</title>
	<author>VDragon99</author>
	<datestamp>1245184320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As I understand it another point for concern is a possible violation of the separation of powers.
<br> <br>
Entries on the list are chosen and maintained by the federal police (BKA). The executive can thereby wield power that should normally be reserved to the judiciary. I am no lawyer, so please correct me if I am wrong.
<br> <br>
However, if it is indeed true that the borders between executive and judiciary are violated in this case then a complaint of unconstitutionality (Verfassungsklage) is in order. Judging from recent verdicts of the Federal Constitutional Court my hope is, that the law will be declared unconstitutional.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As I understand it another point for concern is a possible violation of the separation of powers .
Entries on the list are chosen and maintained by the federal police ( BKA ) .
The executive can thereby wield power that should normally be reserved to the judiciary .
I am no lawyer , so please correct me if I am wrong .
However , if it is indeed true that the borders between executive and judiciary are violated in this case then a complaint of unconstitutionality ( Verfassungsklage ) is in order .
Judging from recent verdicts of the Federal Constitutional Court my hope is , that the law will be declared unconstitutional .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As I understand it another point for concern is a possible violation of the separation of powers.
Entries on the list are chosen and maintained by the federal police (BKA).
The executive can thereby wield power that should normally be reserved to the judiciary.
I am no lawyer, so please correct me if I am wrong.
However, if it is indeed true that the borders between executive and judiciary are violated in this case then a complaint of unconstitutionality (Verfassungsklage) is in order.
Judging from recent verdicts of the Federal Constitutional Court my hope is, that the law will be declared unconstitutional.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351489</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>an unsound mind</author>
	<datestamp>1245181620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Nazi Germany... wait, that isn't funny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Nazi Germany... wait , that is n't funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Nazi Germany... wait, that isn't funny.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352215</id>
	<title>To mis-quote Frank Zappa</title>
	<author>stevegee58</author>
	<datestamp>1245184440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"It can happen here..."

In the US, that is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" It can happen here... " In the US , that is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It can happen here..."

In the US, that is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351405</id>
	<title>Oh geez...</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1245181320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I parsed the headline as "black <b>dye</b> for internet..."</p><p>Jesus, I gotta lay off the Guild Wars...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I parsed the headline as " black dye for internet... " Jesus , I got ta lay off the Guild Wars.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I parsed the headline as "black dye for internet..."Jesus, I gotta lay off the Guild Wars...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351485</id>
	<title>Re:brothels?</title>
	<author>Missing\_dc</author>
	<datestamp>1245181620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is all about the taxes, my friend, money is power, you retain power through the control of money, in the lawless wild west-ness of the internet, taxes are hard to obtain and control, but a nice campaign contribution might keep you off the blacklist.</p><p>The red light districts are monitored and controlled, assuredly taxed.</p><p>the illegal brothels are not, but then, those girls don't generally carry health cards...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is all about the taxes , my friend , money is power , you retain power through the control of money , in the lawless wild west-ness of the internet , taxes are hard to obtain and control , but a nice campaign contribution might keep you off the blacklist.The red light districts are monitored and controlled , assuredly taxed.the illegal brothels are not , but then , those girls do n't generally carry health cards.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is all about the taxes, my friend, money is power, you retain power through the control of money, in the lawless wild west-ness of the internet, taxes are hard to obtain and control, but a nice campaign contribution might keep you off the blacklist.The red light districts are monitored and controlled, assuredly taxed.the illegal brothels are not, but then, those girls don't generally carry health cards...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350895</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353273</id>
	<title>Re:DNS spoofing is just one way to satisfy the law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245145320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Officially the proposal is pushed as a means to combat child pornography, but politicians from all involved parties have already hinted at other possible uses for the filtering infrastructure which will be installed. The parties are quick to deny any intent to allow such an extension, but there are even official press releases clearly hinting at a not-so-hidden agenda.</p></div><p>In Italy they used it immediately to block betting sites that didn't pay the state for license fees.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Officially the proposal is pushed as a means to combat child pornography , but politicians from all involved parties have already hinted at other possible uses for the filtering infrastructure which will be installed .
The parties are quick to deny any intent to allow such an extension , but there are even official press releases clearly hinting at a not-so-hidden agenda.In Italy they used it immediately to block betting sites that did n't pay the state for license fees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Officially the proposal is pushed as a means to combat child pornography, but politicians from all involved parties have already hinted at other possible uses for the filtering infrastructure which will be installed.
The parties are quick to deny any intent to allow such an extension, but there are even official press releases clearly hinting at a not-so-hidden agenda.In Italy they used it immediately to block betting sites that didn't pay the state for license fees.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350823</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352569</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245185820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bet you anything Nazi/National Socialist websites will be bant. The "Nazi Salute" (actually predates Nazi Germany by quite some time) is illegal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bet you anything Nazi/National Socialist websites will be bant .
The " Nazi Salute " ( actually predates Nazi Germany by quite some time ) is illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bet you anything Nazi/National Socialist websites will be bant.
The "Nazi Salute" (actually predates Nazi Germany by quite some time) is illegal.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353897</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>dontmakemethink</author>
	<datestamp>1245147900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My simple guess is any request with <b>any destination</b> is logged and then resolved at some later time. A database of people who use these other servers is maintained and flags are included such as "pedophile, hacker, warez, terrorist, etc". This list then is used to help law enforcement and or they will just come and round all of you up one day.</p></div><p>Fixed that for you</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My simple guess is any request with any destination is logged and then resolved at some later time .
A database of people who use these other servers is maintained and flags are included such as " pedophile , hacker , warez , terrorist , etc " .
This list then is used to help law enforcement and or they will just come and round all of you up one day.Fixed that for you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My simple guess is any request with any destination is logged and then resolved at some later time.
A database of people who use these other servers is maintained and flags are included such as "pedophile, hacker, warez, terrorist, etc".
This list then is used to help law enforcement and or they will just come and round all of you up one day.Fixed that for you
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351043</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28354789</id>
	<title>Heck of a job, guys</title>
	<author>sqrt(2)</author>
	<datestamp>1245152700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So afraid of repeating the mistakes of the past they gladly trade a tyrannical dictatorship for a tyrannical politically correct "democracy." When I see what Germany has been reduced to I'm amazed that only a few generations ago they nearly conquered Europe for the second time. It isn't just Germany though, the UK has been rushing headlong into a police state with such speed it's like they think Orwell's 1984 was an instruction manual. My own country isn't much better, although here in the US it seems like we aren't moving as fast towards a police state as the rest of the world.</p><p>I sincerely hope this does not come to pass in Germany. The loss of freedom for anyone anywhere in the world should outrage us all. In the end though the Germans have to fix this themselves, and they'll end up with the government they deserve just like the rest of us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So afraid of repeating the mistakes of the past they gladly trade a tyrannical dictatorship for a tyrannical politically correct " democracy .
" When I see what Germany has been reduced to I 'm amazed that only a few generations ago they nearly conquered Europe for the second time .
It is n't just Germany though , the UK has been rushing headlong into a police state with such speed it 's like they think Orwell 's 1984 was an instruction manual .
My own country is n't much better , although here in the US it seems like we are n't moving as fast towards a police state as the rest of the world.I sincerely hope this does not come to pass in Germany .
The loss of freedom for anyone anywhere in the world should outrage us all .
In the end though the Germans have to fix this themselves , and they 'll end up with the government they deserve just like the rest of us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So afraid of repeating the mistakes of the past they gladly trade a tyrannical dictatorship for a tyrannical politically correct "democracy.
" When I see what Germany has been reduced to I'm amazed that only a few generations ago they nearly conquered Europe for the second time.
It isn't just Germany though, the UK has been rushing headlong into a police state with such speed it's like they think Orwell's 1984 was an instruction manual.
My own country isn't much better, although here in the US it seems like we aren't moving as fast towards a police state as the rest of the world.I sincerely hope this does not come to pass in Germany.
The loss of freedom for anyone anywhere in the world should outrage us all.
In the end though the Germans have to fix this themselves, and they'll end up with the government they deserve just like the rest of us.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351313</id>
	<title>All that protesting</title>
	<author>gringofrijolero</author>
	<datestamp>1245181080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Always hope it works, but I'll be really impressed when that energy is converted into actual votes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Always hope it works , but I 'll be really impressed when that energy is converted into actual votes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Always hope it works, but I'll be really impressed when that energy is converted into actual votes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351221</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245180600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes and now they want to block poker sites so you can only gamble on ze goverments site. And now that there is money involved I am sure that they are not leaving it at that but will demand a better blocking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes and now they want to block poker sites so you can only gamble on ze goverments site .
And now that there is money involved I am sure that they are not leaving it at that but will demand a better blocking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes and now they want to block poker sites so you can only gamble on ze goverments site.
And now that there is money involved I am sure that they are not leaving it at that but will demand a better blocking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350587</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350941</id>
	<title>Freenet &amp; Other censorship resistant systems</title>
	<author>Ux64</author>
	<datestamp>1245179460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>People don't get it, if content needs to be delivered. It should be delivered using some other method than traditional web, which is easy to block.

How about using Freenet, they just released new version. It's much much harder to block than traditional http/https.
Freenet: <a href="http://freenetproject.org/" title="freenetproject.org" rel="nofollow">http://freenetproject.org/</a> [freenetproject.org]

For Filesharers there is GnuNET.
GnuNET: <a href="http://gnunet.org/" title="gnunet.org" rel="nofollow">http://gnunet.org/</a> [gnunet.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>People do n't get it , if content needs to be delivered .
It should be delivered using some other method than traditional web , which is easy to block .
How about using Freenet , they just released new version .
It 's much much harder to block than traditional http/https .
Freenet : http : //freenetproject.org/ [ freenetproject.org ] For Filesharers there is GnuNET .
GnuNET : http : //gnunet.org/ [ gnunet.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People don't get it, if content needs to be delivered.
It should be delivered using some other method than traditional web, which is easy to block.
How about using Freenet, they just released new version.
It's much much harder to block than traditional http/https.
Freenet: http://freenetproject.org/ [freenetproject.org]

For Filesharers there is GnuNET.
GnuNET: http://gnunet.org/ [gnunet.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28362029</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245256200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's every ballot I've ever seen or heard of.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's every ballot I 've ever seen or heard of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's every ballot I've ever seen or heard of.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351565</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28355747</id>
	<title>Re:insane politicians</title>
	<author>kraut</author>
	<datestamp>1245157920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Sch&#228;uble is suffering from PTSD since that failed attack on him many years back. His medical records are kept secret.</p></div><p>Dude, <b>everyone's</b> medical records are kept secret - it's that privacy thing we sometimes talk about on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Quite frankly, these people are dangerous and criminally insane.</p></div><p>Sadly not unusual in politicians.  I sometimes wonder whether one or both are actually prerequisites for entering politics.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sch   uble is suffering from PTSD since that failed attack on him many years back .
His medical records are kept secret.Dude , everyone 's medical records are kept secret - it 's that privacy thing we sometimes talk about on /. , ....Quite frankly , these people are dangerous and criminally insane.Sadly not unusual in politicians .
I sometimes wonder whether one or both are actually prerequisites for entering politics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Schäuble is suffering from PTSD since that failed attack on him many years back.
His medical records are kept secret.Dude, everyone's medical records are kept secret - it's that privacy thing we sometimes talk about on /., ....Quite frankly, these people are dangerous and criminally insane.Sadly not unusual in politicians.
I sometimes wonder whether one or both are actually prerequisites for entering politics.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352875</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353569</id>
	<title>Re:The real discouraging thing</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1245146460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It isn't the number of people protesting, it isn't the number of stickers passed out, it's the number of people voting.  I'm betting that there is a large, not so noisy majority, who are somewhat in favor of censoring porn on the internet.  Many of these may have never used the internet.  But that doesn't matter, as long as they are voting.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is n't the number of people protesting , it is n't the number of stickers passed out , it 's the number of people voting .
I 'm betting that there is a large , not so noisy majority , who are somewhat in favor of censoring porn on the internet .
Many of these may have never used the internet .
But that does n't matter , as long as they are voting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It isn't the number of people protesting, it isn't the number of stickers passed out, it's the number of people voting.
I'm betting that there is a large, not so noisy majority, who are somewhat in favor of censoring porn on the internet.
Many of these may have never used the internet.
But that doesn't matter, as long as they are voting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351779</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28357729</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>kdemetter</author>
	<datestamp>1245174420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We had it recently in Belgium too.<br>Only , here , they used it to block a site which aimed to stop child porn instead .<br>OpenDNS is indeed the easiest solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We had it recently in Belgium too.Only , here , they used it to block a site which aimed to stop child porn instead .OpenDNS is indeed the easiest solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We had it recently in Belgium too.Only , here , they used it to block a site which aimed to stop child porn instead .OpenDNS is indeed the easiest solution.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350587</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28354625</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>hjrnunes</author>
	<datestamp>1245151560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>hum... what about revisionists? As far as I know there's a few in jail and/or in court - at least Germany and France consider it illegal - just for questioning the current global accepted view on the H thing... If that isn't censorship then tell me what it is... And I'll bet that that isn't the only issue in which censorship is disguised as <i>Moral </i>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>hum... what about revisionists ?
As far as I know there 's a few in jail and/or in court - at least Germany and France consider it illegal - just for questioning the current global accepted view on the H thing... If that is n't censorship then tell me what it is... And I 'll bet that that is n't the only issue in which censorship is disguised as Moral .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>hum... what about revisionists?
As far as I know there's a few in jail and/or in court - at least Germany and France consider it illegal - just for questioning the current global accepted view on the H thing... If that isn't censorship then tell me what it is... And I'll bet that that isn't the only issue in which censorship is disguised as Moral .</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352673</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351727</id>
	<title>The worst thing is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245182400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...it's <b>us</b>.  People like us make this possible; we create it, we implement it, we administrate it.<br> <br>

We're the true evil, the one that makes mere desire for power into the increasingly disgusting reality you see before you today.  We are the right hand of the tyrant.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...it 's us .
People like us make this possible ; we create it , we implement it , we administrate it .
We 're the true evil , the one that makes mere desire for power into the increasingly disgusting reality you see before you today .
We are the right hand of the tyrant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it's us.
People like us make this possible; we create it, we implement it, we administrate it.
We're the true evil, the one that makes mere desire for power into the increasingly disgusting reality you see before you today.
We are the right hand of the tyrant.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351171</id>
	<title>Re:Holy shit!</title>
	<author>solafide</author>
	<datestamp>1245180420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Godwin: "You young folks these days, thinking you're immune to me. Get off my lawn!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Godwin : " You young folks these days , thinking you 're immune to me .
Get off my lawn !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Godwin: "You young folks these days, thinking you're immune to me.
Get off my lawn!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350845</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351039</id>
	<title>Re:Before we use the 'police state' meme again...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245179820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, that is exactly what Alexis de Tocqueville and John Stuart Mill warned about when they talked about the "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny\_of\_the\_majority" title="wikipedia.org">Tyranny of the majority</a> [wikipedia.org]."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , that is exactly what Alexis de Tocqueville and John Stuart Mill warned about when they talked about the " Tyranny of the majority [ wikipedia.org ] .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, that is exactly what Alexis de Tocqueville and John Stuart Mill warned about when they talked about the "Tyranny of the majority [wikipedia.org].
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350853</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28355477</id>
	<title>MSM Weighs In</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245156360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google News<br>Germany Internet Censorship: 2 Links<br>Al Roker/Speidi: 2000+ links!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google NewsGermany Internet Censorship : 2 LinksAl Roker/Speidi : 2000 + links ! ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google NewsGermany Internet Censorship: 2 LinksAl Roker/Speidi: 2000+ links!!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351549</id>
	<title>Re:These parties are also big Linux supporters</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245181860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You know what else is black? My big, thick, throbbing cock. Yes, I'm a black man and I have a huge dick. Jealous much? Ha -- you should be! (Especially since, unlike a lot of my brothas, I can type in complete sentences and haven't been to prison. I do like weed though! Smoke weed everyday.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>You know what else is black ?
My big , thick , throbbing cock .
Yes , I 'm a black man and I have a huge dick .
Jealous much ?
Ha -- you should be !
( Especially since , unlike a lot of my brothas , I can type in complete sentences and have n't been to prison .
I do like weed though !
Smoke weed everyday .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know what else is black?
My big, thick, throbbing cock.
Yes, I'm a black man and I have a huge dick.
Jealous much?
Ha -- you should be!
(Especially since, unlike a lot of my brothas, I can type in complete sentences and haven't been to prison.
I do like weed though!
Smoke weed everyday.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350583</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351823</id>
	<title>Re:I know the feeling.</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1245182760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or, if you are a real masochist,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc/hosts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or , if you are a real masochist , /etc/hosts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or, if you are a real masochist, /etc/hosts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350587</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28359607</id>
	<title>Re:insane politicians</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245240480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So basically you're saying that von der Leyen behaves exactly like a politician! Oh wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So basically you 're saying that von der Leyen behaves exactly like a politician !
Oh wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So basically you're saying that von der Leyen behaves exactly like a politician!
Oh wait...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352875</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350845</id>
	<title>Holy shit!</title>
	<author>jockeys</author>
	<datestamp>1245179160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This thread is Godwin-proof!  <br> <br>
Think about it:<br>
1.  it's a story about government censorship (with all the usual iron-fisted delicacy wielded by big-government)<br>
2.  it's a process that is completely non-transparent, and creates a sort of internet-secret-police<br>
3.  it's happening in Germany<br> <br>
<b>It's the perfect storm of internet flamewars, completely immune to Godwin's Lawn!</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>This thread is Godwin-proof !
Think about it : 1. it 's a story about government censorship ( with all the usual iron-fisted delicacy wielded by big-government ) 2. it 's a process that is completely non-transparent , and creates a sort of internet-secret-police 3. it 's happening in Germany It 's the perfect storm of internet flamewars , completely immune to Godwin 's Lawn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This thread is Godwin-proof!
Think about it:
1.  it's a story about government censorship (with all the usual iron-fisted delicacy wielded by big-government)
2.  it's a process that is completely non-transparent, and creates a sort of internet-secret-police
3.  it's happening in Germany 
It's the perfect storm of internet flamewars, completely immune to Godwin's Lawn!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351121</id>
	<title>A petition? how effective...</title>
	<author>NotWithABang</author>
	<datestamp>1245180240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It makes me wonder every time I hear people are protesting by putting together a petition.  <br>"I'm so furious... I'm going to sign my name!".<br>
Do these things really have any effect?  I picture myself being in power and being handed a stack of papers with names on them, I'd think I'd see it as trivializing the matter more than anything.<br>  Especially considering how a lot of petitions are put together by running around in public places and grabbing random people with <br>"hey, you! sign your name!"
"... ok, why not."<br> <br>
Was there a time when petitions truly were effective?  Is it just the world we live in now, or have they always been this silly?
<br> <br>
Just my two cents I guess.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes me wonder every time I hear people are protesting by putting together a petition .
" I 'm so furious... I 'm going to sign my name ! " .
Do these things really have any effect ?
I picture myself being in power and being handed a stack of papers with names on them , I 'd think I 'd see it as trivializing the matter more than anything .
Especially considering how a lot of petitions are put together by running around in public places and grabbing random people with " hey , you !
sign your name !
" " ... ok , why not .
" Was there a time when petitions truly were effective ?
Is it just the world we live in now , or have they always been this silly ?
Just my two cents I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes me wonder every time I hear people are protesting by putting together a petition.
"I'm so furious... I'm going to sign my name!".
Do these things really have any effect?
I picture myself being in power and being handed a stack of papers with names on them, I'd think I'd see it as trivializing the matter more than anything.
Especially considering how a lot of petitions are put together by running around in public places and grabbing random people with "hey, you!
sign your name!
"
"... ok, why not.
" 
Was there a time when petitions truly were effective?
Is it just the world we live in now, or have they always been this silly?
Just my two cents I guess.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353331</id>
	<title>Re:The 1st thing to come to mind was...</title>
	<author>CompMD</author>
	<datestamp>1245145560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WWHD(ITHTIIT1940S)?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WWHD ( ITHTIIT1940S ) ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WWHD(ITHTIIT1940S)?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351341</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352469</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>ab0mb88</author>
	<datestamp>1245185340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>vote the bastards out. Keep voting the bastards out until you get your bastards in there.</p></div><p>I know this often gets lost on the Libertarian/Third Party crowd here, but this is how politics works in the real world. I know that we all want instant gratification, but real change takes time and a shift in public perceptions. Vote for the least bad candidate until there is a good candidate on the ballot.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>vote the bastards out .
Keep voting the bastards out until you get your bastards in there.I know this often gets lost on the Libertarian/Third Party crowd here , but this is how politics works in the real world .
I know that we all want instant gratification , but real change takes time and a shift in public perceptions .
Vote for the least bad candidate until there is a good candidate on the ballot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>vote the bastards out.
Keep voting the bastards out until you get your bastards in there.I know this often gets lost on the Libertarian/Third Party crowd here, but this is how politics works in the real world.
I know that we all want instant gratification, but real change takes time and a shift in public perceptions.
Vote for the least bad candidate until there is a good candidate on the ballot.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28350809</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28355001</id>
	<title>Re:The real discouraging thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245153780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm guessing you don't live in the UK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm guessing you do n't live in the UK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm guessing you don't live in the UK</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351779</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28364017</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>JoCat</author>
	<datestamp>1245265380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does Germany allow write-in ballots?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does Germany allow write-in ballots ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does Germany allow write-in ballots?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351565</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351305</id>
	<title>Add to the list</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245181020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What needs to be done is get someone to hakc into the government list long enough to add all the DNS entries of government sites.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What needs to be done is get someone to hakc into the government list long enough to add all the DNS entries of government sites .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What needs to be done is get someone to hakc into the government list long enough to add all the DNS entries of government sites.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351385</id>
	<title>Re:Well ...</title>
	<author>geminidomino</author>
	<datestamp>1245181260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is it that people always assume that governments are meddling with their privacy, freedom of speech and freedom of choice when it's the same governments provide a blanket of protection?</p></div><p>Because, by definition, that "blanket of protection" is being provided exactly BY meddling with privacy, freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. You fail to point out that the government actions in such things are meant to "protect you from yourself."</p><p>The two are not mutually exclusive. The former is the means to the latter, and, all apologetics aside, it's utter bullshit.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it that people always assume that governments are meddling with their privacy , freedom of speech and freedom of choice when it 's the same governments provide a blanket of protection ? Because , by definition , that " blanket of protection " is being provided exactly BY meddling with privacy , freedom of speech , and freedom of choice .
You fail to point out that the government actions in such things are meant to " protect you from yourself .
" The two are not mutually exclusive .
The former is the means to the latter , and , all apologetics aside , it 's utter bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it that people always assume that governments are meddling with their privacy, freedom of speech and freedom of choice when it's the same governments provide a blanket of protection?Because, by definition, that "blanket of protection" is being provided exactly BY meddling with privacy, freedom of speech, and freedom of choice.
You fail to point out that the government actions in such things are meant to "protect you from yourself.
"The two are not mutually exclusive.
The former is the means to the latter, and, all apologetics aside, it's utter bullshit.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351149</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28354065</id>
	<title>Did no one notice?</title>
	<author>Tjaden</author>
	<datestamp>1245148620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Did no one notice that right in the first paragraph it says "On Thursday the parliament is to vote on the *erection* of an internet censorship architecture."</p><p>Curious word choice fro blocking kiddie pr0n sites, something the Parliament is hiding?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did no one notice that right in the first paragraph it says " On Thursday the parliament is to vote on the * erection * of an internet censorship architecture .
" Curious word choice fro blocking kiddie pr0n sites , something the Parliament is hiding ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Did no one notice that right in the first paragraph it says "On Thursday the parliament is to vote on the *erection* of an internet censorship architecture.
"Curious word choice fro blocking kiddie pr0n sites, something the Parliament is hiding?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28353229</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245145200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Write in Bastard 4.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Write in Bastard 4 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Write in Bastard 4.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28351565</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28352979</id>
	<title>Just a page with a stop sign</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1245144240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And a short note sent off to the authorities that you attempted to view 'bad' knowledge.  Get too many 'notices', you might earn a visit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And a short note sent off to the authorities that you attempted to view 'bad ' knowledge .
Get too many 'notices ' , you might earn a visit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And a short note sent off to the authorities that you attempted to view 'bad' knowledge.
Get too many 'notices', you might earn a visit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1657255.28359533</id>
	<title>Re:Mein Herr!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245239460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like the Iranian ballot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like the Iranian ballot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like the Iranian ballot.</sentencetext>
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