<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_14_183200</id>
	<title>Iran Moves To End "Facebook Revolution"</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245003480000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>We've had a few readers send in updates on the chaotic post-election situation in Iran. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/external/readwriteweb/2009/06/14/14readwriteweb-dear-cnn-please-check-twitter-for-news-abou-45130.html">Twitter is providing better coverage than CNN</a> at the moment. There are both tech and humanitarian angles to the story, as the two samples below illustrate. First, <a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes with a report from The Times (UK) that <i>"the Iranian government is mounting a <a href="http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech\_and\_web/article6497569.ece">campaign to disrupt independent media organizations and Web sites</a> that air doubts about the validity of the re-election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the nation's president. Reports from Tehran say that social networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter were taken down after Mr Ahmadinejad claimed victory. SMS text messaging, a preferred medium of communication for young Iranians, has also been disabled. 'The blocking of access to foreign news media has been stepped up, <a href="http://www.rsf.org/An-election-without-free-flow-of.html">according to  Reporters Without Borders</a>. 'The Internet is now very slow, like the mobile phone network. YouTube and Facebook are hard to access and pro-reform sites... are completely inaccessible.'"</i> And reader <a href="mailto:momenabdulla@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">momen abdullah</a> sends in one of the more disturbing Ask Slashdots you are likely to see. <i>"People, we <em>need your urgent help</em> in Iran. We are under attack by the government. They stole the election. And now are arresting everybody. They also filtered every sensitive Web page. But our problem is that they also block the SMS network and are scrambling satellite TVs. Please, can you help us to set up some sort of network using our home wireless access points? Can anybody show us a link on how to install small TV/radio stations? Any suggestion for setting up a network? Please tell us what to do or we are going to die in the a nuclear war between Iran and US."</i> <b>Update: 06/14 18:32 GMT</b> by <b> <a href="http://slashdot.org/~kdawson/">KD</a> </b>: <a href="http://www.renesys.com/" rel="nofollow">Jim Cowie</a> contributes a blog post from Renesys taking a closer look at the <a href="http://www.renesys.com/blog/2009/06/strange-changes-in-iranian-int.shtml">state of Iranian Internet transit</a>, as seen in the aggregated global routing tables, and concluding that the story may not be as clear-cut as has been reported.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've had a few readers send in updates on the chaotic post-election situation in Iran .
Twitter is providing better coverage than CNN at the moment .
There are both tech and humanitarian angles to the story , as the two samples below illustrate .
First , Hugh Pickens writes with a report from The Times ( UK ) that " the Iranian government is mounting a campaign to disrupt independent media organizations and Web sites that air doubts about the validity of the re-election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the nation 's president .
Reports from Tehran say that social networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter were taken down after Mr Ahmadinejad claimed victory .
SMS text messaging , a preferred medium of communication for young Iranians , has also been disabled .
'The blocking of access to foreign news media has been stepped up , according to Reporters Without Borders .
'The Internet is now very slow , like the mobile phone network .
YouTube and Facebook are hard to access and pro-reform sites... are completely inaccessible .
' " And reader momen abdullah sends in one of the more disturbing Ask Slashdots you are likely to see .
" People , we need your urgent help in Iran .
We are under attack by the government .
They stole the election .
And now are arresting everybody .
They also filtered every sensitive Web page .
But our problem is that they also block the SMS network and are scrambling satellite TVs .
Please , can you help us to set up some sort of network using our home wireless access points ?
Can anybody show us a link on how to install small TV/radio stations ?
Any suggestion for setting up a network ?
Please tell us what to do or we are going to die in the a nuclear war between Iran and US .
" Update : 06/14 18 : 32 GMT by KD : Jim Cowie contributes a blog post from Renesys taking a closer look at the state of Iranian Internet transit , as seen in the aggregated global routing tables , and concluding that the story may not be as clear-cut as has been reported .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've had a few readers send in updates on the chaotic post-election situation in Iran.
Twitter is providing better coverage than CNN at the moment.
There are both tech and humanitarian angles to the story, as the two samples below illustrate.
First, Hugh Pickens writes with a report from The Times (UK) that "the Iranian government is mounting a campaign to disrupt independent media organizations and Web sites that air doubts about the validity of the re-election of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the nation's president.
Reports from Tehran say that social networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter were taken down after Mr Ahmadinejad claimed victory.
SMS text messaging, a preferred medium of communication for young Iranians, has also been disabled.
'The blocking of access to foreign news media has been stepped up, according to  Reporters Without Borders.
'The Internet is now very slow, like the mobile phone network.
YouTube and Facebook are hard to access and pro-reform sites... are completely inaccessible.
'" And reader momen abdullah sends in one of the more disturbing Ask Slashdots you are likely to see.
"People, we need your urgent help in Iran.
We are under attack by the government.
They stole the election.
And now are arresting everybody.
They also filtered every sensitive Web page.
But our problem is that they also block the SMS network and are scrambling satellite TVs.
Please, can you help us to set up some sort of network using our home wireless access points?
Can anybody show us a link on how to install small TV/radio stations?
Any suggestion for setting up a network?
Please tell us what to do or we are going to die in the a nuclear war between Iran and US.
" Update: 06/14 18:32 GMT by  KD : Jim Cowie contributes a blog post from Renesys taking a closer look at the state of Iranian Internet transit, as seen in the aggregated global routing tables, and concluding that the story may not be as clear-cut as has been reported.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327785</id>
	<title>wah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245007260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>seriously, wah...nuclear war, pollution, oppressive rule is all enabled by...guess who?  GEEKS!  You wanted gadgets and toys, and the spin offs have destroyed our planet and politics. Plastic wouldn't exist without you. Bombs wouldn't. Islamo-fascism wouldn't have the pull it does.  Own it and weep.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>seriously , wah...nuclear war , pollution , oppressive rule is all enabled by...guess who ?
GEEKS ! You wanted gadgets and toys , and the spin offs have destroyed our planet and politics .
Plastic would n't exist without you .
Bombs would n't .
Islamo-fascism would n't have the pull it does .
Own it and weep .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>seriously, wah...nuclear war, pollution, oppressive rule is all enabled by...guess who?
GEEKS!  You wanted gadgets and toys, and the spin offs have destroyed our planet and politics.
Plastic wouldn't exist without you.
Bombs wouldn't.
Islamo-fascism wouldn't have the pull it does.
Own it and weep.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329201</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1244973720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But the warhawks flipped his opinion 180 degrees, and the "conservatives" followed them. To this day, I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war. It is the exact opposite of their platform, but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.</p></div><p>Is there any position that the democrat party holds right now that the republican party might not hold within a decade?  Or vice versa?  Both are parties of opportunism, willing to change as the public will demands.  That's why they are still around: parties that aren't flexible enough die when their issues die.  Imagine if the democrats were still supporting the fugitive slave act.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the warhawks flipped his opinion 180 degrees , and the " conservatives " followed them .
To this day , I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war .
It is the exact opposite of their platform , but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.Is there any position that the democrat party holds right now that the republican party might not hold within a decade ?
Or vice versa ?
Both are parties of opportunism , willing to change as the public will demands .
That 's why they are still around : parties that are n't flexible enough die when their issues die .
Imagine if the democrats were still supporting the fugitive slave act .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the warhawks flipped his opinion 180 degrees, and the "conservatives" followed them.
To this day, I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war.
It is the exact opposite of their platform, but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.Is there any position that the democrat party holds right now that the republican party might not hold within a decade?
Or vice versa?
Both are parties of opportunism, willing to change as the public will demands.
That's why they are still around: parties that aren't flexible enough die when their issues die.
Imagine if the democrats were still supporting the fugitive slave act.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328067</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329999</id>
	<title>Re:Nuclear War?</title>
	<author>CrazyJim1</author>
	<datestamp>1244981580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You need to read 5-20 years in the future.  Once Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they're going to give it to a rogue terrorist group and the rogue terrorist group is going to blow some city up.  Iran is going to think because it didn't launch a missile that no one will figure out where the nuke came from.  But many nations are not that stupid and may retaliate with nuclear weapons from the puristic thought of: If they use nukes, we use nukes back.<br> <br>
If after the first strike of nuclear terrorism there is no retaliation, it is the end of the world civilization because it will happen again and again until people either obey the terrorist demands or are dead.  Nuclear terrorism is the easiest way that the terrorists can win.  Of course they don't factor the idea that the true God is really against this kind of thing!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You need to read 5-20 years in the future .
Once Iran gets a nuclear weapon , they 're going to give it to a rogue terrorist group and the rogue terrorist group is going to blow some city up .
Iran is going to think because it did n't launch a missile that no one will figure out where the nuke came from .
But many nations are not that stupid and may retaliate with nuclear weapons from the puristic thought of : If they use nukes , we use nukes back .
If after the first strike of nuclear terrorism there is no retaliation , it is the end of the world civilization because it will happen again and again until people either obey the terrorist demands or are dead .
Nuclear terrorism is the easiest way that the terrorists can win .
Of course they do n't factor the idea that the true God is really against this kind of thing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You need to read 5-20 years in the future.
Once Iran gets a nuclear weapon, they're going to give it to a rogue terrorist group and the rogue terrorist group is going to blow some city up.
Iran is going to think because it didn't launch a missile that no one will figure out where the nuke came from.
But many nations are not that stupid and may retaliate with nuclear weapons from the puristic thought of: If they use nukes, we use nukes back.
If after the first strike of nuclear terrorism there is no retaliation, it is the end of the world civilization because it will happen again and again until people either obey the terrorist demands or are dead.
Nuclear terrorism is the easiest way that the terrorists can win.
Of course they don't factor the idea that the true God is really against this kind of thing!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328071</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328757</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1244970780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Dude, pay attention, that's what they're doing. There's a huge difference between us invading Iraq to unseat Saddam and the Iranians standing up to overturn a massively corrupt election. The Iranian people are pissed, and this is their first step toward something less like a dictatorship. </i></p><p>They won't be successful on their own, unless they have outside support or there is some tremendous economic calamity that motivates people.  At best we'll have a Tianeman square event and in a few years after that everyone will keep buying from the dictators..</p><p>For the most part, the historical record is pretty clear, once you have a dictatorship, you aren't going to "undictatorship".  Just the natural order of things.  From a stability of government perspective, democracy is better because it imposes rules about how regime change within the country should take place, but, there's never been a democracy that's been historically stable.   The Atheniens cratered themselves. The Romans cratered themselves, and probably we'll crater ourselves.  Meanwhile some asian style despot monarchy could have governments that last for a thousand years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , pay attention , that 's what they 're doing .
There 's a huge difference between us invading Iraq to unseat Saddam and the Iranians standing up to overturn a massively corrupt election .
The Iranian people are pissed , and this is their first step toward something less like a dictatorship .
They wo n't be successful on their own , unless they have outside support or there is some tremendous economic calamity that motivates people .
At best we 'll have a Tianeman square event and in a few years after that everyone will keep buying from the dictators..For the most part , the historical record is pretty clear , once you have a dictatorship , you are n't going to " undictatorship " .
Just the natural order of things .
From a stability of government perspective , democracy is better because it imposes rules about how regime change within the country should take place , but , there 's never been a democracy that 's been historically stable .
The Atheniens cratered themselves .
The Romans cratered themselves , and probably we 'll crater ourselves .
Meanwhile some asian style despot monarchy could have governments that last for a thousand years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, pay attention, that's what they're doing.
There's a huge difference between us invading Iraq to unseat Saddam and the Iranians standing up to overturn a massively corrupt election.
The Iranian people are pissed, and this is their first step toward something less like a dictatorship.
They won't be successful on their own, unless they have outside support or there is some tremendous economic calamity that motivates people.
At best we'll have a Tianeman square event and in a few years after that everyone will keep buying from the dictators..For the most part, the historical record is pretty clear, once you have a dictatorship, you aren't going to "undictatorship".
Just the natural order of things.
From a stability of government perspective, democracy is better because it imposes rules about how regime change within the country should take place, but, there's never been a democracy that's been historically stable.
The Atheniens cratered themselves.
The Romans cratered themselves, and probably we'll crater ourselves.
Meanwhile some asian style despot monarchy could have governments that last for a thousand years.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328163</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28334987</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>Überhund</author>
	<datestamp>1245079920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get on twitter and see what's going on over there.  The people have risen up.  It already is bloody.  This is about coordinating action, not idle chat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get on twitter and see what 's going on over there .
The people have risen up .
It already is bloody .
This is about coordinating action , not idle chat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get on twitter and see what's going on over there.
The people have risen up.
It already is bloody.
This is about coordinating action, not idle chat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329225</id>
	<title>Re:Proxy volunteers?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244973840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to agree also, ive got a couple of VPS's I have for own use that have PLENTY of bandwidth free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to agree also , ive got a couple of VPS 's I have for own use that have PLENTY of bandwidth free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to agree also, ive got a couple of VPS's I have for own use that have PLENTY of bandwidth free.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327927</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328527</id>
	<title>Re:Fox News only true source of news these days</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245012540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HAHAHAHAHA</p><p>wow thanks, I needed that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HAHAHAHAHAwow thanks , I needed that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HAHAHAHAHAwow thanks, I needed that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328037</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331935</id>
	<title>Re:Use Ham/CB/FM Radio</title>
	<author>Lunzo</author>
	<datestamp>1245001740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Tell me what's wrong with this sentence:</p><p>momen abdullah from the summary can't get on the internet so you suggest he google for how to build a HAM radio.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell me what 's wrong with this sentence : momen abdullah from the summary ca n't get on the internet so you suggest he google for how to build a HAM radio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell me what's wrong with this sentence:momen abdullah from the summary can't get on the internet so you suggest he google for how to build a HAM radio.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327989</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328603</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>tukang</author>
	<datestamp>1245012960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>They did end tyranny by replacing the shah and they did establish a democracy when they voted for Mossadegh - only when that didn't work (i.e. the CIA undid all that and restored the shah) did they resort to more radical means.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They did end tyranny by replacing the shah and they did establish a democracy when they voted for Mossadegh - only when that did n't work ( i.e .
the CIA undid all that and restored the shah ) did they resort to more radical means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They did end tyranny by replacing the shah and they did establish a democracy when they voted for Mossadegh - only when that didn't work (i.e.
the CIA undid all that and restored the shah) did they resort to more radical means.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328247</id>
	<title>Re:HAM Radio</title>
	<author>Helix150</author>
	<datestamp>1245010560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To our freedom-loving friends from Iran,</p><p>Parent is absolutely correct, but for two reasons.<br>1. Amateur radio, aka ham radio, allows small portable transceivers to be set up with a range of many miles, even hundreds or thousands of miles depending on frequency, radio, and antenna.  A modern HAM radio can be as small as a car's stereo (about 8"x4"x12"), run off 12v DC power (a car battery), and with an antenna made up of nothing more than a few sections of wire cut to the right length and hung from a tree can send a signal halfway around the world if needed.  This allows for instant, long-range communication that's easy to use and hide.</p><p>2. But more importantly, you must teach yourself about RF and radio signals and how to work with them.  Read books about how to design electronic circuits, how to build simple transceivers, how to design RF electronics.<br>Simple radio transmitters can be constructed VERY cheaply from used electronic parts and aren't large (can be about the size of a paperback book).  With the right antenna and perhaps a small amplifier this could have many miles of range.<br>On the same thread, someone with good RF and electronic knowledge could modify personal two-way radios to transmit in broadcast FM bands.</p><p>So my suggestion is to start acquiring this knowledge and training people in it.  With a modest amount of RF know-how, or even a few simple designs to be copied, you will be able to inexpensively construct a large number of small transmitting devices...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To our freedom-loving friends from Iran,Parent is absolutely correct , but for two reasons.1 .
Amateur radio , aka ham radio , allows small portable transceivers to be set up with a range of many miles , even hundreds or thousands of miles depending on frequency , radio , and antenna .
A modern HAM radio can be as small as a car 's stereo ( about 8 " x4 " x12 " ) , run off 12v DC power ( a car battery ) , and with an antenna made up of nothing more than a few sections of wire cut to the right length and hung from a tree can send a signal halfway around the world if needed .
This allows for instant , long-range communication that 's easy to use and hide.2 .
But more importantly , you must teach yourself about RF and radio signals and how to work with them .
Read books about how to design electronic circuits , how to build simple transceivers , how to design RF electronics.Simple radio transmitters can be constructed VERY cheaply from used electronic parts and are n't large ( can be about the size of a paperback book ) .
With the right antenna and perhaps a small amplifier this could have many miles of range.On the same thread , someone with good RF and electronic knowledge could modify personal two-way radios to transmit in broadcast FM bands.So my suggestion is to start acquiring this knowledge and training people in it .
With a modest amount of RF know-how , or even a few simple designs to be copied , you will be able to inexpensively construct a large number of small transmitting devices.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To our freedom-loving friends from Iran,Parent is absolutely correct, but for two reasons.1.
Amateur radio, aka ham radio, allows small portable transceivers to be set up with a range of many miles, even hundreds or thousands of miles depending on frequency, radio, and antenna.
A modern HAM radio can be as small as a car's stereo (about 8"x4"x12"), run off 12v DC power (a car battery), and with an antenna made up of nothing more than a few sections of wire cut to the right length and hung from a tree can send a signal halfway around the world if needed.
This allows for instant, long-range communication that's easy to use and hide.2.
But more importantly, you must teach yourself about RF and radio signals and how to work with them.
Read books about how to design electronic circuits, how to build simple transceivers, how to design RF electronics.Simple radio transmitters can be constructed VERY cheaply from used electronic parts and aren't large (can be about the size of a paperback book).
With the right antenna and perhaps a small amplifier this could have many miles of range.On the same thread, someone with good RF and electronic knowledge could modify personal two-way radios to transmit in broadcast FM bands.So my suggestion is to start acquiring this knowledge and training people in it.
With a modest amount of RF know-how, or even a few simple designs to be copied, you will be able to inexpensively construct a large number of small transmitting devices...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327795</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328233</id>
	<title>Yeah, an other crypto nerd</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245010440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hard time filtering a constantly on connection to the big satan when any mechanic can just plugin a headset and hear nothing but the noises modems make and no voices.
</p><p>Iran is a dictatorship, it doesn't have to obey laws or niceties. Anyone who follows your advice is risking death if the iran goverment is really doing what people here are claiming it is doing.
</p><p>The first victim of dictatorship is plausible deniability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hard time filtering a constantly on connection to the big satan when any mechanic can just plugin a headset and hear nothing but the noises modems make and no voices .
Iran is a dictatorship , it does n't have to obey laws or niceties .
Anyone who follows your advice is risking death if the iran goverment is really doing what people here are claiming it is doing .
The first victim of dictatorship is plausible deniability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hard time filtering a constantly on connection to the big satan when any mechanic can just plugin a headset and hear nothing but the noises modems make and no voices.
Iran is a dictatorship, it doesn't have to obey laws or niceties.
Anyone who follows your advice is risking death if the iran goverment is really doing what people here are claiming it is doing.
The first victim of dictatorship is plausible deniability.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327831</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329547</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1244977020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interestingly I was looking at the way the Iranian political system works, and apparently the supreme unelected nutjob isn't actually entirely unelected. I was under the impression too that he was unelected - effectively like a monarch, but he's apparently chosen by an expert assembly, who are in turn elected by the people. The leader of that assembly is apparently the person that lost the election to Ahmadinejad in 2005. Potentially, the grand nutjob Ayatollah could be pushed out from what I understand by an elected body. Of course, the real issue is, if he has the power to fiddle the election to get his pet Nazi sympathiser in the chances are he's pretty well protected against being ousted. The Iranian political system doesn't look that bad if it weren't for the fact it was corrupt to the core - remove the corruption and I think it'd be little worse than most Western systems.</p><p>See here, the Iranian system looks like it's set up to be theoretically quite accountable, Iran just needs to make that work in practice. Presumably if they can fiddle the election for Ahmadinejad, they can fiddle the election of the assembly of experts in their favour too.</p><p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle\_east/8051750.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle\_east/8051750.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk]</p><p>Unfortunately it states the assembly of experts isn't due for re-election until 2014 so if they're just lame ducks and don't do anything about the Ayatollah and hence Ahmadinejad now then it wont be possible to hold them accountable until then.</p><p>Perhaps what's amazed me most about all the recent elections is that Europe has gone more right wing and voted in more extreme right people, Iran has had Ahmadinejad re-elected (fairly or not) yet Lebanon of all places is the country that voted no to allowing Hezbollah to strengthen their grip.</p><p>With America voting for Obama over McCain we're effectively tied 2 - 2 in the battle of intelligence vs. ignorance right now. That's not an entirely fair assesment though as places like India have had their elections too but I must admit I'm not clear on how good or bad the new Indian adminsitration is, I don't really follow their politics and also to be fair, the European result isn't that bad, it's just not as good as it could've been, it certainly wasn't a step forward, primarily just more of the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interestingly I was looking at the way the Iranian political system works , and apparently the supreme unelected nutjob is n't actually entirely unelected .
I was under the impression too that he was unelected - effectively like a monarch , but he 's apparently chosen by an expert assembly , who are in turn elected by the people .
The leader of that assembly is apparently the person that lost the election to Ahmadinejad in 2005 .
Potentially , the grand nutjob Ayatollah could be pushed out from what I understand by an elected body .
Of course , the real issue is , if he has the power to fiddle the election to get his pet Nazi sympathiser in the chances are he 's pretty well protected against being ousted .
The Iranian political system does n't look that bad if it were n't for the fact it was corrupt to the core - remove the corruption and I think it 'd be little worse than most Western systems.See here , the Iranian system looks like it 's set up to be theoretically quite accountable , Iran just needs to make that work in practice .
Presumably if they can fiddle the election for Ahmadinejad , they can fiddle the election of the assembly of experts in their favour too.http : //news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle \ _east/8051750.stm [ bbc.co.uk ] Unfortunately it states the assembly of experts is n't due for re-election until 2014 so if they 're just lame ducks and do n't do anything about the Ayatollah and hence Ahmadinejad now then it wont be possible to hold them accountable until then.Perhaps what 's amazed me most about all the recent elections is that Europe has gone more right wing and voted in more extreme right people , Iran has had Ahmadinejad re-elected ( fairly or not ) yet Lebanon of all places is the country that voted no to allowing Hezbollah to strengthen their grip.With America voting for Obama over McCain we 're effectively tied 2 - 2 in the battle of intelligence vs. ignorance right now .
That 's not an entirely fair assesment though as places like India have had their elections too but I must admit I 'm not clear on how good or bad the new Indian adminsitration is , I do n't really follow their politics and also to be fair , the European result is n't that bad , it 's just not as good as it could 've been , it certainly was n't a step forward , primarily just more of the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interestingly I was looking at the way the Iranian political system works, and apparently the supreme unelected nutjob isn't actually entirely unelected.
I was under the impression too that he was unelected - effectively like a monarch, but he's apparently chosen by an expert assembly, who are in turn elected by the people.
The leader of that assembly is apparently the person that lost the election to Ahmadinejad in 2005.
Potentially, the grand nutjob Ayatollah could be pushed out from what I understand by an elected body.
Of course, the real issue is, if he has the power to fiddle the election to get his pet Nazi sympathiser in the chances are he's pretty well protected against being ousted.
The Iranian political system doesn't look that bad if it weren't for the fact it was corrupt to the core - remove the corruption and I think it'd be little worse than most Western systems.See here, the Iranian system looks like it's set up to be theoretically quite accountable, Iran just needs to make that work in practice.
Presumably if they can fiddle the election for Ahmadinejad, they can fiddle the election of the assembly of experts in their favour too.http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle\_east/8051750.stm [bbc.co.uk]Unfortunately it states the assembly of experts isn't due for re-election until 2014 so if they're just lame ducks and don't do anything about the Ayatollah and hence Ahmadinejad now then it wont be possible to hold them accountable until then.Perhaps what's amazed me most about all the recent elections is that Europe has gone more right wing and voted in more extreme right people, Iran has had Ahmadinejad re-elected (fairly or not) yet Lebanon of all places is the country that voted no to allowing Hezbollah to strengthen their grip.With America voting for Obama over McCain we're effectively tied 2 - 2 in the battle of intelligence vs. ignorance right now.
That's not an entirely fair assesment though as places like India have had their elections too but I must admit I'm not clear on how good or bad the new Indian adminsitration is, I don't really follow their politics and also to be fair, the European result isn't that bad, it's just not as good as it could've been, it certainly wasn't a step forward, primarily just more of the same.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28336521</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>darkharlequin</author>
	<datestamp>1245086460000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Umm, try, "because we know we need a standing militia and they can help out a tyranical internal power taker"  comma "we are going to make sure that the people have the teeth to repel such tyranical power taker and standing militia in the event that this crap happens to us again" not, we need militias to protect ourselves, so we need to let people have guns to form those militias.  the latter is a completely obvious statement that wouldn't be needed to be pointed out!  why in the heck would we need to codify that we need guns to have an army, right alongside a clause that tells us that we won't let our right to protest unfair treatment be taken away and we won't let any institutions like religion be nationalized in order to control us again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , try , " because we know we need a standing militia and they can help out a tyranical internal power taker " comma " we are going to make sure that the people have the teeth to repel such tyranical power taker and standing militia in the event that this crap happens to us again " not , we need militias to protect ourselves , so we need to let people have guns to form those militias .
the latter is a completely obvious statement that would n't be needed to be pointed out !
why in the heck would we need to codify that we need guns to have an army , right alongside a clause that tells us that we wo n't let our right to protest unfair treatment be taken away and we wo n't let any institutions like religion be nationalized in order to control us again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, try, "because we know we need a standing militia and they can help out a tyranical internal power taker"  comma "we are going to make sure that the people have the teeth to repel such tyranical power taker and standing militia in the event that this crap happens to us again" not, we need militias to protect ourselves, so we need to let people have guns to form those militias.
the latter is a completely obvious statement that wouldn't be needed to be pointed out!
why in the heck would we need to codify that we need guns to have an army, right alongside a clause that tells us that we won't let our right to protest unfair treatment be taken away and we won't let any institutions like religion be nationalized in order to control us again.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328341</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245011340000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>Yeah... that rarely works</i></p><p>Except that it does work.  It worked like a champ in World War II. Italy, Germany and Japan all became democratic.</p><p><i>To this day, I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war. It is the exact opposite of their platform, but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.</i></p><p>More history aware Republicans and conservatives are quite aware of the Wilsonian liberalism that was implicit in Bush's ideas.  Indeed, if there was any President most like Wilson, in terms of foreign policy, it was W.</p><p>You are absolutely right, that, wars for liberation are a liberal idea.  We felt that, liberals had given up the ghost on holding up the torch of freedom since their twin debacles of Korea and Vietnam, and everyone's disappointment even with World War II, and so, really, first with the Cold War under Nixon and Reagan, and then, more expansively under Bush, the right has come to accept Wilsonian adventurism even as the left wing has utterly rejected.  Today's American left sounded more like Chas Lindbergh's reactionary America First movement and Bush sounded more like Wilson... historians would be shocked to find that Bush was even a Republican and Democrats were isolationist on this issue.</p><p>The really entertaining part of this is that its not even the only issue where the left and right have traded sides.  Free trade is another.  For more than a century Democrats were staunch free traders, but then they are gradually dropping the position, while Republicans at first reluctantly under Reagan, and then, most affirmitavely under W, have taken up that cause as well.</p><p>What's really interesting is that you could probably argue that these flips are because the Democrats and Republicans traded north for south in the late 1960s, and that each region retains the same ideals, just has different parties to represent them.  While that could be true on social issues and matters of economics, the Wilson doctrine of Wilson, and Bush, and wars of liberation, is something now the South supports, not only supporting, but actively and proudly sending their sons and daughters off with their shields, almost spartan like.  It's all very admirable but the crazy part is, they are still pissed off that the North invaded them to free the slaves, and its not even the freeing the slaves that bugs them, as much as it was, they were invaded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah... that rarely worksExcept that it does work .
It worked like a champ in World War II .
Italy , Germany and Japan all became democratic.To this day , I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war .
It is the exact opposite of their platform , but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.More history aware Republicans and conservatives are quite aware of the Wilsonian liberalism that was implicit in Bush 's ideas .
Indeed , if there was any President most like Wilson , in terms of foreign policy , it was W.You are absolutely right , that , wars for liberation are a liberal idea .
We felt that , liberals had given up the ghost on holding up the torch of freedom since their twin debacles of Korea and Vietnam , and everyone 's disappointment even with World War II , and so , really , first with the Cold War under Nixon and Reagan , and then , more expansively under Bush , the right has come to accept Wilsonian adventurism even as the left wing has utterly rejected .
Today 's American left sounded more like Chas Lindbergh 's reactionary America First movement and Bush sounded more like Wilson... historians would be shocked to find that Bush was even a Republican and Democrats were isolationist on this issue.The really entertaining part of this is that its not even the only issue where the left and right have traded sides .
Free trade is another .
For more than a century Democrats were staunch free traders , but then they are gradually dropping the position , while Republicans at first reluctantly under Reagan , and then , most affirmitavely under W , have taken up that cause as well.What 's really interesting is that you could probably argue that these flips are because the Democrats and Republicans traded north for south in the late 1960s , and that each region retains the same ideals , just has different parties to represent them .
While that could be true on social issues and matters of economics , the Wilson doctrine of Wilson , and Bush , and wars of liberation , is something now the South supports , not only supporting , but actively and proudly sending their sons and daughters off with their shields , almost spartan like .
It 's all very admirable but the crazy part is , they are still pissed off that the North invaded them to free the slaves , and its not even the freeing the slaves that bugs them , as much as it was , they were invaded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah... that rarely worksExcept that it does work.
It worked like a champ in World War II.
Italy, Germany and Japan all became democratic.To this day, I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war.
It is the exact opposite of their platform, but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.More history aware Republicans and conservatives are quite aware of the Wilsonian liberalism that was implicit in Bush's ideas.
Indeed, if there was any President most like Wilson, in terms of foreign policy, it was W.You are absolutely right, that, wars for liberation are a liberal idea.
We felt that, liberals had given up the ghost on holding up the torch of freedom since their twin debacles of Korea and Vietnam, and everyone's disappointment even with World War II, and so, really, first with the Cold War under Nixon and Reagan, and then, more expansively under Bush, the right has come to accept Wilsonian adventurism even as the left wing has utterly rejected.
Today's American left sounded more like Chas Lindbergh's reactionary America First movement and Bush sounded more like Wilson... historians would be shocked to find that Bush was even a Republican and Democrats were isolationist on this issue.The really entertaining part of this is that its not even the only issue where the left and right have traded sides.
Free trade is another.
For more than a century Democrats were staunch free traders, but then they are gradually dropping the position, while Republicans at first reluctantly under Reagan, and then, most affirmitavely under W, have taken up that cause as well.What's really interesting is that you could probably argue that these flips are because the Democrats and Republicans traded north for south in the late 1960s, and that each region retains the same ideals, just has different parties to represent them.
While that could be true on social issues and matters of economics, the Wilson doctrine of Wilson, and Bush, and wars of liberation, is something now the South supports, not only supporting, but actively and proudly sending their sons and daughters off with their shields, almost spartan like.
It's all very admirable but the crazy part is, they are still pissed off that the North invaded them to free the slaves, and its not even the freeing the slaves that bugs them, as much as it was, they were invaded.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329731</id>
	<title>Re:Make a FreedomStick</title>
	<author>rtfa-troll</author>
	<datestamp>1244978760000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>This is fine for a travelling journalist in China.  They count on having little risk of being arrested and a big stink if it does happen.  If you are using it as a dissident you need to be much more careful.  Firstly, tor doesn't let anyone know what pages you are reading but it does let them clearly know you are using tor.  That's normally enough for them to investigate you and people in Iran don't have protections against such investigations.   Secondly, you have to be sure about the computer you are using.  How do you know someone hasn't set it up to monitor you.  I wouldn't trust myself to use such a thing.  A computer illiterate friend could easily get into real trouble.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is fine for a travelling journalist in China .
They count on having little risk of being arrested and a big stink if it does happen .
If you are using it as a dissident you need to be much more careful .
Firstly , tor does n't let anyone know what pages you are reading but it does let them clearly know you are using tor .
That 's normally enough for them to investigate you and people in Iran do n't have protections against such investigations .
Secondly , you have to be sure about the computer you are using .
How do you know someone has n't set it up to monitor you .
I would n't trust myself to use such a thing .
A computer illiterate friend could easily get into real trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is fine for a travelling journalist in China.
They count on having little risk of being arrested and a big stink if it does happen.
If you are using it as a dissident you need to be much more careful.
Firstly, tor doesn't let anyone know what pages you are reading but it does let them clearly know you are using tor.
That's normally enough for them to investigate you and people in Iran don't have protections against such investigations.
Secondly, you have to be sure about the computer you are using.
How do you know someone hasn't set it up to monitor you.
I wouldn't trust myself to use such a thing.
A computer illiterate friend could easily get into real trouble.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328075</id>
	<title>Step up or shut up</title>
	<author>redkcir</author>
	<datestamp>1245009480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Maybe it's time to do something over there. If you don't like the government's deciding what you can and can't do, you have the option to change it. But you won't be able to do that on Twitter or any other on-line option. Physical action may be your only choice. As you have seen, the ones in power will stay there by any means necessary. It's your country, you solve the problem. That's what we did in America. If you don't want to act, you deserve what you get.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's time to do something over there .
If you do n't like the government 's deciding what you can and ca n't do , you have the option to change it .
But you wo n't be able to do that on Twitter or any other on-line option .
Physical action may be your only choice .
As you have seen , the ones in power will stay there by any means necessary .
It 's your country , you solve the problem .
That 's what we did in America .
If you do n't want to act , you deserve what you get .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's time to do something over there.
If you don't like the government's deciding what you can and can't do, you have the option to change it.
But you won't be able to do that on Twitter or any other on-line option.
Physical action may be your only choice.
As you have seen, the ones in power will stay there by any means necessary.
It's your country, you solve the problem.
That's what we did in America.
If you don't want to act, you deserve what you get.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327961</id>
	<title>Iran got Slashdotted?</title>
	<author>InsertWittyNameHere</author>
	<datestamp>1245008640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>From the Article:<br>"I'd say that there are probably a lot more people around the world pulling local content from Iran's providers right now, and that surge of demand is probably contributing to increased congestion and (perhaps) some of the route instability we see."</p><p>We've really outdone ourselves this time!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the Article : " I 'd say that there are probably a lot more people around the world pulling local content from Iran 's providers right now , and that surge of demand is probably contributing to increased congestion and ( perhaps ) some of the route instability we see .
" We 've really outdone ourselves this time !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the Article:"I'd say that there are probably a lot more people around the world pulling local content from Iran's providers right now, and that surge of demand is probably contributing to increased congestion and (perhaps) some of the route instability we see.
"We've really outdone ourselves this time!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331529</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>anarche</author>
	<datestamp>1244997060000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>..From a stability of government perspective, democracy is better because it imposes rules about how regime change within the country should take place, but, there's never been a democracy that's been historically stable...</p></div><p>Depends on your definition of stable. Austalia has the most stable government in the world (even lookin at you US!). Sure we've only been a Commonwealth for 100 years, but I honestly believe that - short of extra-national interference - our system of government will last. Having said that, If we become a Republic we'll be screwed...</p></div>
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<tokenext>..From a stability of government perspective , democracy is better because it imposes rules about how regime change within the country should take place , but , there 's never been a democracy that 's been historically stable...Depends on your definition of stable .
Austalia has the most stable government in the world ( even lookin at you US ! ) .
Sure we 've only been a Commonwealth for 100 years , but I honestly believe that - short of extra-national interference - our system of government will last .
Having said that , If we become a Republic we 'll be screwed.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ..From a stability of government perspective, democracy is better because it imposes rules about how regime change within the country should take place, but, there's never been a democracy that's been historically stable...Depends on your definition of stable.
Austalia has the most stable government in the world (even lookin at you US!).
Sure we've only been a Commonwealth for 100 years, but I honestly believe that - short of extra-national interference - our system of government will last.
Having said that, If we become a Republic we'll be screwed...
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28333093</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245060600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It is possible to keep a dictatorship your entire life despite the will of the people.</p><p>You just have to be willing to be brutal enough.</p></div><p>When majority doesn't support dictatorship, they can set up resistance by failure, simply make a mess of everything they do, play dumb, work slow, spend less, "unintentionally" break public (state) property, sabotage electric grid when state news are on program (no propaganda on the air when there's no power), fill the mosques so that there is no place for neutrals to come in and hear the preachings, grind country to a halt.</p><p>Let's face it, all those theocrats are social parasites, they produce nothing and they require strong economy to support them. I bet being a mullah has become a good carrier in Iran and there are more of them each passing year from 1979 till today. Every -cracy is a bureaucracy,  a swelling dead weight.</p><p>They can't have a rev. guard behind everyone's back warding them. The resistance just needs to find the optimum between social economic retardation and possible consequences (according to local law).</p></div>
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<tokenext>It is possible to keep a dictatorship your entire life despite the will of the people.You just have to be willing to be brutal enough.When majority does n't support dictatorship , they can set up resistance by failure , simply make a mess of everything they do , play dumb , work slow , spend less , " unintentionally " break public ( state ) property , sabotage electric grid when state news are on program ( no propaganda on the air when there 's no power ) , fill the mosques so that there is no place for neutrals to come in and hear the preachings , grind country to a halt.Let 's face it , all those theocrats are social parasites , they produce nothing and they require strong economy to support them .
I bet being a mullah has become a good carrier in Iran and there are more of them each passing year from 1979 till today .
Every -cracy is a bureaucracy , a swelling dead weight.They ca n't have a rev .
guard behind everyone 's back warding them .
The resistance just needs to find the optimum between social economic retardation and possible consequences ( according to local law ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is possible to keep a dictatorship your entire life despite the will of the people.You just have to be willing to be brutal enough.When majority doesn't support dictatorship, they can set up resistance by failure, simply make a mess of everything they do, play dumb, work slow, spend less, "unintentionally" break public (state) property, sabotage electric grid when state news are on program (no propaganda on the air when there's no power), fill the mosques so that there is no place for neutrals to come in and hear the preachings, grind country to a halt.Let's face it, all those theocrats are social parasites, they produce nothing and they require strong economy to support them.
I bet being a mullah has become a good carrier in Iran and there are more of them each passing year from 1979 till today.
Every -cracy is a bureaucracy,  a swelling dead weight.They can't have a rev.
guard behind everyone's back warding them.
The resistance just needs to find the optimum between social economic retardation and possible consequences (according to local law).
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327881</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Never mind Bush; look at your nation's founding.<br>Your ancestors asked (quite nicely at first) for moderate tax relief from the British Government.<br>The British ignored them.<br>Your ancestors then started asking about representation in Parliament; if the current people won't change the taxes, maybe we can get some of us elected to help persuade them.<br>The British still ignored them.  Result: full out warfare and for the want of a 10\% drop in basic tax, a few MP's and a end to the tea and cotton taxes, they lost the entire American colonies...</p><p>The Irani people are an increasingly connected, modern and well-educated (by Middle east standards) lot.  Eventually, too many lame excuses by the crackpots will push the majority into outward disobedience.  Then a lot of people will get shot, and public anger will rise, eventually resulting in another revolution.  Hopefully this time without the Council of Nutjobs and the Supreme unelected Loony they currently have at the top of the tree.<br>Unless they start moderating towards the public opinion, it will only make this happen faster.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Never mind Bush ; look at your nation 's founding.Your ancestors asked ( quite nicely at first ) for moderate tax relief from the British Government.The British ignored them.Your ancestors then started asking about representation in Parliament ; if the current people wo n't change the taxes , maybe we can get some of us elected to help persuade them.The British still ignored them .
Result : full out warfare and for the want of a 10 \ % drop in basic tax , a few MP 's and a end to the tea and cotton taxes , they lost the entire American colonies...The Irani people are an increasingly connected , modern and well-educated ( by Middle east standards ) lot .
Eventually , too many lame excuses by the crackpots will push the majority into outward disobedience .
Then a lot of people will get shot , and public anger will rise , eventually resulting in another revolution .
Hopefully this time without the Council of Nutjobs and the Supreme unelected Loony they currently have at the top of the tree.Unless they start moderating towards the public opinion , it will only make this happen faster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never mind Bush; look at your nation's founding.Your ancestors asked (quite nicely at first) for moderate tax relief from the British Government.The British ignored them.Your ancestors then started asking about representation in Parliament; if the current people won't change the taxes, maybe we can get some of us elected to help persuade them.The British still ignored them.
Result: full out warfare and for the want of a 10\% drop in basic tax, a few MP's and a end to the tea and cotton taxes, they lost the entire American colonies...The Irani people are an increasingly connected, modern and well-educated (by Middle east standards) lot.
Eventually, too many lame excuses by the crackpots will push the majority into outward disobedience.
Then a lot of people will get shot, and public anger will rise, eventually resulting in another revolution.
Hopefully this time without the Council of Nutjobs and the Supreme unelected Loony they currently have at the top of the tree.Unless they start moderating towards the public opinion, it will only make this happen faster.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327805</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328441</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>value\_added</author>
	<datestamp>1245012000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Also, as a practical matter while Iranian leadership seems to be oppressive and such, they aren't insane. I'm sure they full and well understand what the US response to a nuclear attack would be, and nobody wants to be the ruler of a glass parking lot.</i></p><p>As a practical matter, if there's a confrontation over Iran possessing nuclear capabilities (of any sort), it'll probably be the Israelis who will feel compelled to act.  The rest of us will get to sit back and feign a lack of responsibility until, of course we have to deal with the mess.</p><p>As a side note, I'd suggest quoting Thomas Jefferson in a post about Iran is somewhere between inappropriate and offensive.  Recall that we had the CIA overthrow their democratically elected government.  Their take on those words would be that it is we who are the tyrant, and they're still fighting for liberty from us, and by extension, patriotism requires not only resistance against us, but resistance against a nuclear armed Israel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , as a practical matter while Iranian leadership seems to be oppressive and such , they are n't insane .
I 'm sure they full and well understand what the US response to a nuclear attack would be , and nobody wants to be the ruler of a glass parking lot.As a practical matter , if there 's a confrontation over Iran possessing nuclear capabilities ( of any sort ) , it 'll probably be the Israelis who will feel compelled to act .
The rest of us will get to sit back and feign a lack of responsibility until , of course we have to deal with the mess.As a side note , I 'd suggest quoting Thomas Jefferson in a post about Iran is somewhere between inappropriate and offensive .
Recall that we had the CIA overthrow their democratically elected government .
Their take on those words would be that it is we who are the tyrant , and they 're still fighting for liberty from us , and by extension , patriotism requires not only resistance against us , but resistance against a nuclear armed Israel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, as a practical matter while Iranian leadership seems to be oppressive and such, they aren't insane.
I'm sure they full and well understand what the US response to a nuclear attack would be, and nobody wants to be the ruler of a glass parking lot.As a practical matter, if there's a confrontation over Iran possessing nuclear capabilities (of any sort), it'll probably be the Israelis who will feel compelled to act.
The rest of us will get to sit back and feign a lack of responsibility until, of course we have to deal with the mess.As a side note, I'd suggest quoting Thomas Jefferson in a post about Iran is somewhere between inappropriate and offensive.
Recall that we had the CIA overthrow their democratically elected government.
Their take on those words would be that it is we who are the tyrant, and they're still fighting for liberty from us, and by extension, patriotism requires not only resistance against us, but resistance against a nuclear armed Israel.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330371</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1244985300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Networking won't solve this? Isn't networking what Paul Revere did?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Networking wo n't solve this ?
Is n't networking what Paul Revere did ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Networking won't solve this?
Isn't networking what Paul Revere did?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328017</id>
	<title>sooo</title>
	<author>binaryseraph</author>
	<datestamp>1245009000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>so facebook = erasebook?</htmltext>
<tokenext>so facebook = erasebook ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so facebook = erasebook?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28333801</id>
	<title>backin' the gla</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245071640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I didn't bother to read this, but Iran roxxxors! I hate facebook and anyone who wants to get rid of it is 100\% compatible with me!</p><p>Get real friends!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I did n't bother to read this , but Iran roxxxors !
I hate facebook and anyone who wants to get rid of it is 100 \ % compatible with me ! Get real friends !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I didn't bother to read this, but Iran roxxxors!
I hate facebook and anyone who wants to get rid of it is 100\% compatible with me!Get real friends!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329633</id>
	<title>A horrible thought just crossed my mind</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1244977740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if he won fairly?</p><p>Face it, we need a reason to hate the Iran so we can step on it when it goes out of line. What if the whole outcry is staged? I mean, why was there none in 2005 when he won the first time?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if he won fairly ? Face it , we need a reason to hate the Iran so we can step on it when it goes out of line .
What if the whole outcry is staged ?
I mean , why was there none in 2005 when he won the first time ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if he won fairly?Face it, we need a reason to hate the Iran so we can step on it when it goes out of line.
What if the whole outcry is staged?
I mean, why was there none in 2005 when he won the first time?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328165</id>
	<title>Ways to help</title>
	<author>Martin Spamer</author>
	<datestamp>1245009900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some ways to subvert the censorship.</p><p>1) anonymous web proxies that only accept inbound connections from Iran IP space.<br>2) <a href="http://www.torproject.org/index.html.en" title="torproject.org">TOR servers</a> [torproject.org].<br>3) Ad-Hoc WiFi networks could be used to create a Mesh networks.<br>4) Multicast information, documents, video over the Mesh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some ways to subvert the censorship.1 ) anonymous web proxies that only accept inbound connections from Iran IP space.2 ) TOR servers [ torproject.org ] .3 ) Ad-Hoc WiFi networks could be used to create a Mesh networks.4 ) Multicast information , documents , video over the Mesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some ways to subvert the censorship.1) anonymous web proxies that only accept inbound connections from Iran IP space.2) TOR servers [torproject.org].3) Ad-Hoc WiFi networks could be used to create a Mesh networks.4) Multicast information, documents, video over the Mesh.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28333825</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245071820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; They won't be successful on their own, unless they have outside support [...] At best we'll have a Tianeman square event</p><p>heh... the american world police, eh?<br>kill them for their freedom! god wills ist!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; They wo n't be successful on their own , unless they have outside support [ ... ] At best we 'll have a Tianeman square eventheh... the american world police , eh ? kill them for their freedom !
god wills ist !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; They won't be successful on their own, unless they have outside support [...] At best we'll have a Tianeman square eventheh... the american world police, eh?kill them for their freedom!
god wills ist!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328757</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28332491</id>
	<title>Re:Khamenei knows what he's doing</title>
	<author>Squiggle</author>
	<datestamp>1245008940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I doubt that is how most election fraud is carried out. I suspect that individuals and small groups looking to be rewarded, or hoping to at least not be punished for losing the election in their district, commit election fraud. Since they are uncoordinated and concerned only for their own safety and/or power you get weird results like this that are obvious fabrications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt that is how most election fraud is carried out .
I suspect that individuals and small groups looking to be rewarded , or hoping to at least not be punished for losing the election in their district , commit election fraud .
Since they are uncoordinated and concerned only for their own safety and/or power you get weird results like this that are obvious fabrications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt that is how most election fraud is carried out.
I suspect that individuals and small groups looking to be rewarded, or hoping to at least not be punished for losing the election in their district, commit election fraud.
Since they are uncoordinated and concerned only for their own safety and/or power you get weird results like this that are obvious fabrications.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327885</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331941</id>
	<title>Reality: This election is not valid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245001800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm an Iranian programmer. I voted for Mirhusein Moosavi (Ahmadinejad's main opponent, who was Iran's prime minister for 8 years until 1989), to prevent Ahmadinejad get elected once more and cause more trouble for my country and world. but they cheated in elections. I can say for sure that less than 4\% of people I know have voted for Ahmadinejad. but they said he earned 64\% for him and that's not true. all of elections candidates have doubts about the election, and asked the responsible organizations to cancel the election results. but they won't, because all of them are main supporters of Ahmadinejad.<br>Here in Iran people hate Ahmadinejad. we lost our SMS system since Thursday June 11 (and still down), our mobile networks were down on Friday and Saturday. total bandwidth usage of Iran's largest ISP has been reduced to 25\% and this is not because people did not use it, it is because a shaping system that Iran telecommunications ministry is running on Iran's internet bandwidth. this has caused intense internet connection slowdown. they are filtering most news agency web sites, social networks, and are running DOS attacks on opponent web sites to make it even harder to access them. BBC Persian was filtered here for years, but now the BBC English website is filtered, Facebook, Youtube are filtered again (they had removed the filter some months ago).<br>Revolutionary Guards are in the streets, wearing SWAT-like guards and weapons, attacking and smashing ordinary people. people who want nothing but their votes' real results. this election is not valid. Ahmadinejad is not our president.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm an Iranian programmer .
I voted for Mirhusein Moosavi ( Ahmadinejad 's main opponent , who was Iran 's prime minister for 8 years until 1989 ) , to prevent Ahmadinejad get elected once more and cause more trouble for my country and world .
but they cheated in elections .
I can say for sure that less than 4 \ % of people I know have voted for Ahmadinejad .
but they said he earned 64 \ % for him and that 's not true .
all of elections candidates have doubts about the election , and asked the responsible organizations to cancel the election results .
but they wo n't , because all of them are main supporters of Ahmadinejad.Here in Iran people hate Ahmadinejad .
we lost our SMS system since Thursday June 11 ( and still down ) , our mobile networks were down on Friday and Saturday .
total bandwidth usage of Iran 's largest ISP has been reduced to 25 \ % and this is not because people did not use it , it is because a shaping system that Iran telecommunications ministry is running on Iran 's internet bandwidth .
this has caused intense internet connection slowdown .
they are filtering most news agency web sites , social networks , and are running DOS attacks on opponent web sites to make it even harder to access them .
BBC Persian was filtered here for years , but now the BBC English website is filtered , Facebook , Youtube are filtered again ( they had removed the filter some months ago ) .Revolutionary Guards are in the streets , wearing SWAT-like guards and weapons , attacking and smashing ordinary people .
people who want nothing but their votes ' real results .
this election is not valid .
Ahmadinejad is not our president .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm an Iranian programmer.
I voted for Mirhusein Moosavi (Ahmadinejad's main opponent, who was Iran's prime minister for 8 years until 1989), to prevent Ahmadinejad get elected once more and cause more trouble for my country and world.
but they cheated in elections.
I can say for sure that less than 4\% of people I know have voted for Ahmadinejad.
but they said he earned 64\% for him and that's not true.
all of elections candidates have doubts about the election, and asked the responsible organizations to cancel the election results.
but they won't, because all of them are main supporters of Ahmadinejad.Here in Iran people hate Ahmadinejad.
we lost our SMS system since Thursday June 11 (and still down), our mobile networks were down on Friday and Saturday.
total bandwidth usage of Iran's largest ISP has been reduced to 25\% and this is not because people did not use it, it is because a shaping system that Iran telecommunications ministry is running on Iran's internet bandwidth.
this has caused intense internet connection slowdown.
they are filtering most news agency web sites, social networks, and are running DOS attacks on opponent web sites to make it even harder to access them.
BBC Persian was filtered here for years, but now the BBC English website is filtered, Facebook, Youtube are filtered again (they had removed the filter some months ago).Revolutionary Guards are in the streets, wearing SWAT-like guards and weapons, attacking and smashing ordinary people.
people who want nothing but their votes' real results.
this election is not valid.
Ahmadinejad is not our president.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328451</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245012060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.and nobody wants to be the ruler of a glass parking lot.</p><p>So I wouldn't worry about nuclear war. . . </p></div><p>Except when you truly believe God is on your side - in which case there is no better way to get into heaven than through mutually assured destruction.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .and nobody wants to be the ruler of a glass parking lot.So I would n't worry about nuclear war .
. .
Except when you truly believe God is on your side - in which case there is no better way to get into heaven than through mutually assured destruction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .and nobody wants to be the ruler of a glass parking lot.So I wouldn't worry about nuclear war.
. .
Except when you truly believe God is on your side - in which case there is no better way to get into heaven than through mutually assured destruction.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328105</id>
	<title>Re:HAM Radio</title>
	<author>auric\_dude</author>
	<datestamp>1245009720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A low power wireless mesh as seen in Tibet <a href="http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/08/71608" title="wired.com">http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/08/71608</a> [wired.com] could be constructed to run alongside a HAM network if enough kit, time and people are on hand.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A low power wireless mesh as seen in Tibet http : //www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/08/71608 [ wired.com ] could be constructed to run alongside a HAM network if enough kit , time and people are on hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A low power wireless mesh as seen in Tibet http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2006/08/71608 [wired.com] could be constructed to run alongside a HAM network if enough kit, time and people are on hand.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327795</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28339105</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>tripmine</author>
	<datestamp>1245097380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>80+ percent participation, not votes.
Not that I know any of this for a fact, that's just what the sentence says.</htmltext>
<tokenext>80 + percent participation , not votes .
Not that I know any of this for a fact , that 's just what the sentence says .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>80+ percent participation, not votes.
Not that I know any of this for a fact, that's just what the sentence says.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328117</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28337177</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245089520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but the Iranis have it coming. When they start assassinating their religious leaders -- you know, the ones who decide who gets to run for office -- then I'll have some sympathy.</p><p>Any society that lets religious fanatics run it gets what's coming to it.</p><p>If anything, the Iranis haven't suffered enough. Like dogs who shit the carpet, they need to have their noses rubbed in this brutality for generations, until they learn that this isn't the way to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but the Iranis have it coming .
When they start assassinating their religious leaders -- you know , the ones who decide who gets to run for office -- then I 'll have some sympathy.Any society that lets religious fanatics run it gets what 's coming to it.If anything , the Iranis have n't suffered enough .
Like dogs who shit the carpet , they need to have their noses rubbed in this brutality for generations , until they learn that this is n't the way to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but the Iranis have it coming.
When they start assassinating their religious leaders -- you know, the ones who decide who gets to run for office -- then I'll have some sympathy.Any society that lets religious fanatics run it gets what's coming to it.If anything, the Iranis haven't suffered enough.
Like dogs who shit the carpet, they need to have their noses rubbed in this brutality for generations, until they learn that this isn't the way to go.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329003</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328209</id>
	<title>Make a FreedomStick</title>
	<author>nonsequitor</author>
	<datestamp>1245010320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Chaos Computer Club made a "FreedomStick" for journalists traveling to China to cover the Olympics.  It includes software that automatically uses firefox+tor etc..  More Info Here: <a href="http://chinesewall.ccc.de/index-en.html" title="chinesewall.ccc.de">http://chinesewall.ccc.de/index-en.html</a> [chinesewall.ccc.de]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chaos Computer Club made a " FreedomStick " for journalists traveling to China to cover the Olympics .
It includes software that automatically uses firefox + tor etc.. More Info Here : http : //chinesewall.ccc.de/index-en.html [ chinesewall.ccc.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chaos Computer Club made a "FreedomStick" for journalists traveling to China to cover the Olympics.
It includes software that automatically uses firefox+tor etc..  More Info Here: http://chinesewall.ccc.de/index-en.html [chinesewall.ccc.de]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328289</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245010860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The British still ignored them.  Result: full out warfare and for the want of a 10\% drop in basic tax, a few MP's and a end to the tea and cotton taxes, they lost the entire American colonies...</p></div><p>They lost 13 colonies. They did, however, retain all their other holdings in North America, hence the existence of Canada.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The British still ignored them .
Result : full out warfare and for the want of a 10 \ % drop in basic tax , a few MP 's and a end to the tea and cotton taxes , they lost the entire American colonies...They lost 13 colonies .
They did , however , retain all their other holdings in North America , hence the existence of Canada .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The British still ignored them.
Result: full out warfare and for the want of a 10\% drop in basic tax, a few MP's and a end to the tea and cotton taxes, they lost the entire American colonies...They lost 13 colonies.
They did, however, retain all their other holdings in North America, hence the existence of Canada.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327881</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28333157</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>qc\_dk</author>
	<datestamp>1245061680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason Gandhi chose anti-violence was an effect of the specific condition of British rule in India. The public sentiment in Britain was that the colonial rule was for the best. Britain was the parent "educating" the savage child. That was the justification in the public's eye. A justification that would be very hard to believe in if your military had just mowed down thousands of peacefully protesting Indians.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason Gandhi chose anti-violence was an effect of the specific condition of British rule in India .
The public sentiment in Britain was that the colonial rule was for the best .
Britain was the parent " educating " the savage child .
That was the justification in the public 's eye .
A justification that would be very hard to believe in if your military had just mowed down thousands of peacefully protesting Indians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason Gandhi chose anti-violence was an effect of the specific condition of British rule in India.
The public sentiment in Britain was that the colonial rule was for the best.
Britain was the parent "educating" the savage child.
That was the justification in the public's eye.
A justification that would be very hard to believe in if your military had just mowed down thousands of peacefully protesting Indians.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327937</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328275</id>
	<title>Re:Fox News only true source of news these days</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245010740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it surprising that none of the media have yet reported on the statistical evidence that the election was completely fraudulent:</p><p>http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/13/742151/-Statistical-Proof-of-Fraud-in-Iranian-Election</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it surprising that none of the media have yet reported on the statistical evidence that the election was completely fraudulent : http : //www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/13/742151/-Statistical-Proof-of-Fraud-in-Iranian-Election</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it surprising that none of the media have yet reported on the statistical evidence that the election was completely fraudulent:http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/13/742151/-Statistical-Proof-of-Fraud-in-Iranian-Election</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328037</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28340005</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245057600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that the Iranian system is probably better described as an oligarchy, crossed with some limited democracy in the form of its presidency and the Majilis. And the protests are over the democratic part of that system being threatened by a rigged election. That and there are some examples of countries "undicatorshiping" without outside intervention, notably South Korea and Taiwan. Indeed, the overthrow of the Shah itself was (at least in the eyes of the true believers) an attempt to remove a dictator and install an "Islamic democracy". That all said, I suspect you're correct in this instance. The enforcement arms of the state are more than powerful enough to suppress the educated city slickers involved in these demonstrations, and crucially they appear to have remained monolithically loyal to Ahmedinijad's side (along with large swathes of the "poor and pious" in the countryside). The only chance the movement has is if the Guardian Council decides to cave to the protesters and have another election. I'd give that maybe a 20\% chance of happening. Otherwise, I predict this is just going to gradually go away, and young, educated Iranians will be stuck with a leader that doesn't represent them, a situation they've been in since he was elected the first time, but all the more painful now that they came so close to something better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that the Iranian system is probably better described as an oligarchy , crossed with some limited democracy in the form of its presidency and the Majilis .
And the protests are over the democratic part of that system being threatened by a rigged election .
That and there are some examples of countries " undicatorshiping " without outside intervention , notably South Korea and Taiwan .
Indeed , the overthrow of the Shah itself was ( at least in the eyes of the true believers ) an attempt to remove a dictator and install an " Islamic democracy " .
That all said , I suspect you 're correct in this instance .
The enforcement arms of the state are more than powerful enough to suppress the educated city slickers involved in these demonstrations , and crucially they appear to have remained monolithically loyal to Ahmedinijad 's side ( along with large swathes of the " poor and pious " in the countryside ) .
The only chance the movement has is if the Guardian Council decides to cave to the protesters and have another election .
I 'd give that maybe a 20 \ % chance of happening .
Otherwise , I predict this is just going to gradually go away , and young , educated Iranians will be stuck with a leader that does n't represent them , a situation they 've been in since he was elected the first time , but all the more painful now that they came so close to something better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that the Iranian system is probably better described as an oligarchy, crossed with some limited democracy in the form of its presidency and the Majilis.
And the protests are over the democratic part of that system being threatened by a rigged election.
That and there are some examples of countries "undicatorshiping" without outside intervention, notably South Korea and Taiwan.
Indeed, the overthrow of the Shah itself was (at least in the eyes of the true believers) an attempt to remove a dictator and install an "Islamic democracy".
That all said, I suspect you're correct in this instance.
The enforcement arms of the state are more than powerful enough to suppress the educated city slickers involved in these demonstrations, and crucially they appear to have remained monolithically loyal to Ahmedinijad's side (along with large swathes of the "poor and pious" in the countryside).
The only chance the movement has is if the Guardian Council decides to cave to the protesters and have another election.
I'd give that maybe a 20\% chance of happening.
Otherwise, I predict this is just going to gradually go away, and young, educated Iranians will be stuck with a leader that doesn't represent them, a situation they've been in since he was elected the first time, but all the more painful now that they came so close to something better.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330881</id>
	<title>Warms my heart</title>
	<author>Drakin020</author>
	<datestamp>1244990220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, it really is bad to see all this violence, however it warms my heart to see these young people fight for what is right. I'm not saying that the election was rigged or was not, but what I see are people who care, young people....</p><p>People who will stand up and fight for what is right and what they believe in. It's a lot more than I would expect to see out of anyone here in America.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , it really is bad to see all this violence , however it warms my heart to see these young people fight for what is right .
I 'm not saying that the election was rigged or was not , but what I see are people who care , young people....People who will stand up and fight for what is right and what they believe in .
It 's a lot more than I would expect to see out of anyone here in America .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, it really is bad to see all this violence, however it warms my heart to see these young people fight for what is right.
I'm not saying that the election was rigged or was not, but what I see are people who care, young people....People who will stand up and fight for what is right and what they believe in.
It's a lot more than I would expect to see out of anyone here in America.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329011</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>vivaelamor</author>
	<datestamp>1244972520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it is safe to presume that you do know that the 'political left' is a very vague categorisation of a number of distinct political ideologies and are just trolling. For example, anarchism is considered by your cited source to be politically left and would be one of the opposites of tyranny.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it is safe to presume that you do know that the 'political left ' is a very vague categorisation of a number of distinct political ideologies and are just trolling .
For example , anarchism is considered by your cited source to be politically left and would be one of the opposites of tyranny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it is safe to presume that you do know that the 'political left' is a very vague categorisation of a number of distinct political ideologies and are just trolling.
For example, anarchism is considered by your cited source to be politically left and would be one of the opposites of tyranny.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328239</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328641</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>cats-paw</author>
	<datestamp>1244970060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Even the guy who sent the Ask Slashdot only wanted advice on communicating with others."</p><p>Which is critically important if you are trying to organize a resistance movement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Even the guy who sent the Ask Slashdot only wanted advice on communicating with others .
" Which is critically important if you are trying to organize a resistance movement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Even the guy who sent the Ask Slashdot only wanted advice on communicating with others.
"Which is critically important if you are trying to organize a resistance movement.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328163</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328609</id>
	<title>Re:Fox News only true source of news these days</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245013020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is flamebait not interesting... He's obviously trying to invoke a response</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is flamebait not interesting... He 's obviously trying to invoke a response</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is flamebait not interesting... He's obviously trying to invoke a response</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328037</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28332703</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>pimpimpim</author>
	<datestamp>1245098520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Networking won't solve this". Imagine a second Katrina, you're in the middle of the floods, you still have electricity but mobile phone communication isn't working. You ask for technical help, and the answer you get is "Networking won't solve this. You need to build better dams instead". <p> As others pointed out, there are technical ways to create ad-hoc wifi networks, I guess similar to the idea of the OLPC networking mode.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Networking wo n't solve this " .
Imagine a second Katrina , you 're in the middle of the floods , you still have electricity but mobile phone communication is n't working .
You ask for technical help , and the answer you get is " Networking wo n't solve this .
You need to build better dams instead " .
As others pointed out , there are technical ways to create ad-hoc wifi networks , I guess similar to the idea of the OLPC networking mode .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Networking won't solve this".
Imagine a second Katrina, you're in the middle of the floods, you still have electricity but mobile phone communication isn't working.
You ask for technical help, and the answer you get is "Networking won't solve this.
You need to build better dams instead".
As others pointed out, there are technical ways to create ad-hoc wifi networks, I guess similar to the idea of the OLPC networking mode.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330411</id>
	<title>Acorn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244985840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I see that Acorn has set up offices in Iran.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I see that Acorn has set up offices in Iran .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see that Acorn has set up offices in Iran.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328665</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>dcollins</author>
	<datestamp>1244970180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"To this day, I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war. It is the exact opposite of their platform, but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy."</p><p>Oh, I disagree with this. What I'm amazed by is that the written/spoken Republican party platform is the exact opposite of their actual philosophy. They are, in fact, always more prone to violence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" To this day , I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war .
It is the exact opposite of their platform , but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy .
" Oh , I disagree with this .
What I 'm amazed by is that the written/spoken Republican party platform is the exact opposite of their actual philosophy .
They are , in fact , always more prone to violence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"To this day, I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war.
It is the exact opposite of their platform, but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.
"Oh, I disagree with this.
What I'm amazed by is that the written/spoken Republican party platform is the exact opposite of their actual philosophy.
They are, in fact, always more prone to violence.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328067</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328031</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>rpillala</author>
	<datestamp>1245009060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>That wasn't Gandhi's bet. Gandhi's bet was that raw injustice would not be allowed to continue by inherently good people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That was n't Gandhi 's bet .
Gandhi 's bet was that raw injustice would not be allowed to continue by inherently good people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That wasn't Gandhi's bet.
Gandhi's bet was that raw injustice would not be allowed to continue by inherently good people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327787</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327805</id>
	<title>Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245007440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's right Mr. theocratic dictator.  Go ahead and keep pushing down the relatively minor calls for reform and watch in horror as the demands for freedom and civil discourse grow more and more demanding, and more and more "extreme".  This is how true democracies begin.  <br> <br>
We got rid of our idiot leadership, now Iran looks to be doing the same.  <br> <br>
(Bush was terrible by just about any measure - I'm an independent voter and have voted for Dems and Repubs)</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's right Mr. theocratic dictator .
Go ahead and keep pushing down the relatively minor calls for reform and watch in horror as the demands for freedom and civil discourse grow more and more demanding , and more and more " extreme " .
This is how true democracies begin .
We got rid of our idiot leadership , now Iran looks to be doing the same .
( Bush was terrible by just about any measure - I 'm an independent voter and have voted for Dems and Repubs )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's right Mr. theocratic dictator.
Go ahead and keep pushing down the relatively minor calls for reform and watch in horror as the demands for freedom and civil discourse grow more and more demanding, and more and more "extreme".
This is how true democracies begin.
We got rid of our idiot leadership, now Iran looks to be doing the same.
(Bush was terrible by just about any measure - I'm an independent voter and have voted for Dems and Repubs)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329813</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>sp3d2orbit</author>
	<datestamp>1244979540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Modern Japan and Germany would disagree.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Modern Japan and Germany would disagree .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Modern Japan and Germany would disagree.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328067</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327979</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are right;  sometimes some clear violence (or better; threat of violence) does work; but you have to pick your moment.  Doing things badly is normally much worse than not doing them at all.  Right now Iran is split 50/50 so it may not be the best moment.  Any civil war could be really bloody and nasty.  Unless the opposition is properly prepared, they are likely to lose.  Normally there should be a long period of peaceful protest and visible repression to get people against the government.  Then a demand.  Then only any threat of violence when most of the active people and a large part of the army will stand with you.  On the other hand, any later moment could be worse than now.  Who knows.  I just know I'm glad not to be Iranian tonight and I hope for a peaceful and fair solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are right ; sometimes some clear violence ( or better ; threat of violence ) does work ; but you have to pick your moment .
Doing things badly is normally much worse than not doing them at all .
Right now Iran is split 50/50 so it may not be the best moment .
Any civil war could be really bloody and nasty .
Unless the opposition is properly prepared , they are likely to lose .
Normally there should be a long period of peaceful protest and visible repression to get people against the government .
Then a demand .
Then only any threat of violence when most of the active people and a large part of the army will stand with you .
On the other hand , any later moment could be worse than now .
Who knows .
I just know I 'm glad not to be Iranian tonight and I hope for a peaceful and fair solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are right;  sometimes some clear violence (or better; threat of violence) does work; but you have to pick your moment.
Doing things badly is normally much worse than not doing them at all.
Right now Iran is split 50/50 so it may not be the best moment.
Any civil war could be really bloody and nasty.
Unless the opposition is properly prepared, they are likely to lose.
Normally there should be a long period of peaceful protest and visible repression to get people against the government.
Then a demand.
Then only any threat of violence when most of the active people and a large part of the army will stand with you.
On the other hand, any later moment could be worse than now.
Who knows.
I just know I'm glad not to be Iranian tonight and I hope for a peaceful and fair solution.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327787</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331165</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>strong\_epoxy</author>
	<datestamp>1244993760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thankfully, the UN has no forces and did not help the Afghans. Had both been true, 10s of millions would been brutally massacred and both Afghanistan and Pakistan would be solidly controlled by a nuclear equipped Taliban.</p><p>Luckily for all humanity, NATO is in Afghanistan and fighting the Taliban.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thankfully , the UN has no forces and did not help the Afghans .
Had both been true , 10s of millions would been brutally massacred and both Afghanistan and Pakistan would be solidly controlled by a nuclear equipped Taliban.Luckily for all humanity , NATO is in Afghanistan and fighting the Taliban .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thankfully, the UN has no forces and did not help the Afghans.
Had both been true, 10s of millions would been brutally massacred and both Afghanistan and Pakistan would be solidly controlled by a nuclear equipped Taliban.Luckily for all humanity, NATO is in Afghanistan and fighting the Taliban.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328067</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327887</id>
	<title>Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought into this whole idea of helping out the dissident Iraqis who were trying to establish a democracy under Saddam.  I supported President Bush's invasion of Iraq even though I knew the WMD was a crock because I thought the idea of kicking out a dictatorship and allowing a democracy to flourish was a good idea.</p><p>It turned out, after the invasion, that these people had little native support of their own and many people either liked Saddam or liked the Mullahs.</p><p>Having heard a bunch of leftists cry about how much better Saddam was for Iraq, and how wrong it was to actually try and get rid of a dictatorship, and seeing that the people on the ground really kinda liked their dictatorship, my ears for Iran are pretty deaf right now.</p><p>If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government, they can do it themselves.  If the left wants to lament the death of democracy in Iraq, they can spare me the tears.  They had no problem advocating tyranny in Iraq.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought into this whole idea of helping out the dissident Iraqis who were trying to establish a democracy under Saddam .
I supported President Bush 's invasion of Iraq even though I knew the WMD was a crock because I thought the idea of kicking out a dictatorship and allowing a democracy to flourish was a good idea.It turned out , after the invasion , that these people had little native support of their own and many people either liked Saddam or liked the Mullahs.Having heard a bunch of leftists cry about how much better Saddam was for Iraq , and how wrong it was to actually try and get rid of a dictatorship , and seeing that the people on the ground really kinda liked their dictatorship , my ears for Iran are pretty deaf right now.If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government , they can do it themselves .
If the left wants to lament the death of democracy in Iraq , they can spare me the tears .
They had no problem advocating tyranny in Iraq .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought into this whole idea of helping out the dissident Iraqis who were trying to establish a democracy under Saddam.
I supported President Bush's invasion of Iraq even though I knew the WMD was a crock because I thought the idea of kicking out a dictatorship and allowing a democracy to flourish was a good idea.It turned out, after the invasion, that these people had little native support of their own and many people either liked Saddam or liked the Mullahs.Having heard a bunch of leftists cry about how much better Saddam was for Iraq, and how wrong it was to actually try and get rid of a dictatorship, and seeing that the people on the ground really kinda liked their dictatorship, my ears for Iran are pretty deaf right now.If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government, they can do it themselves.
If the left wants to lament the death of democracy in Iraq, they can spare me the tears.
They had no problem advocating tyranny in Iraq.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28338421</id>
	<title>Remarkable</title>
	<author>halcyonandon1</author>
	<datestamp>1245095160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"A transit shift of this magnitude may indicate that something (administrative, or physical) has affected Iran's connection to the submarine cables running east and west &#226;" not a total outage, but some kind of significant impairment." well yea that sounds like an authoritative manipulation to me.

Tensions mounting with both N.Korea and Iran (nevermind China for now), an borderline economic crisis, an over extended U.S. military in a war with no possible positive outcome except for the exploitation of a people and their natural resources (oh, and the positioning of a "true" democracy in the middle east that will never take form).  Meanwhile U.S. politicians can barely appease their sensationalist media, let alone the citizens, who all want something for nothing, even if it means taking from the person next to them.

I consider myself a pretty rational and calm individual.  I served honorably in the U.S. military, I went to college and have a good paying job and a comfortable life.  Am I the irrational one to say that that I feel stuck in a leaderless situation, part of a hopelessly flawed system of systems that is doomed to fail and spiraling out of any form of regulation or control?  Am I wrong to think that reform alone cannot fix a fundamental flaw in the various infrastructures that make up our country?  Am I the only one that sees mass panic growing in a nation full of self-serving ignorant hedonists, who would like nothing more than to pretend like 'this' (or that) isn't happening?

Perhaps I should just post some pictures of cute fluffy animals, watch my favorite tv shows on-demand, spend more money on entertainment, food and libations, regurgitate my superficial knowledge of the issues as seen on tv, dance and sing and skip because tomorrow is a bright, new day.  Or maybe I can quasi-involve myself by commenting on threads, blogging, twitting, and texting with others.  Maybe the best form of involvement for me, as a member of a mass crowd, is to speculate, raise suspicion, form unsubstantiated opinions and present them as fact, get others riled up, scare people, so I don't feel alone and become the 1 in 10 pseudo-expert who doesn't agree -- after all, building a platform on sensational conjecture, in opposition to mainstream sensationalism, is truely the American way (as evidence from this sensational conjecture).

(I really hope someone detects my sarcasm)</htmltext>
<tokenext>" A transit shift of this magnitude may indicate that something ( administrative , or physical ) has affected Iran 's connection to the submarine cables running east and west   " not a total outage , but some kind of significant impairment .
" well yea that sounds like an authoritative manipulation to me .
Tensions mounting with both N.Korea and Iran ( nevermind China for now ) , an borderline economic crisis , an over extended U.S. military in a war with no possible positive outcome except for the exploitation of a people and their natural resources ( oh , and the positioning of a " true " democracy in the middle east that will never take form ) .
Meanwhile U.S. politicians can barely appease their sensationalist media , let alone the citizens , who all want something for nothing , even if it means taking from the person next to them .
I consider myself a pretty rational and calm individual .
I served honorably in the U.S. military , I went to college and have a good paying job and a comfortable life .
Am I the irrational one to say that that I feel stuck in a leaderless situation , part of a hopelessly flawed system of systems that is doomed to fail and spiraling out of any form of regulation or control ?
Am I wrong to think that reform alone can not fix a fundamental flaw in the various infrastructures that make up our country ?
Am I the only one that sees mass panic growing in a nation full of self-serving ignorant hedonists , who would like nothing more than to pretend like 'this ' ( or that ) is n't happening ?
Perhaps I should just post some pictures of cute fluffy animals , watch my favorite tv shows on-demand , spend more money on entertainment , food and libations , regurgitate my superficial knowledge of the issues as seen on tv , dance and sing and skip because tomorrow is a bright , new day .
Or maybe I can quasi-involve myself by commenting on threads , blogging , twitting , and texting with others .
Maybe the best form of involvement for me , as a member of a mass crowd , is to speculate , raise suspicion , form unsubstantiated opinions and present them as fact , get others riled up , scare people , so I do n't feel alone and become the 1 in 10 pseudo-expert who does n't agree -- after all , building a platform on sensational conjecture , in opposition to mainstream sensationalism , is truely the American way ( as evidence from this sensational conjecture ) .
( I really hope someone detects my sarcasm )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A transit shift of this magnitude may indicate that something (administrative, or physical) has affected Iran's connection to the submarine cables running east and west â" not a total outage, but some kind of significant impairment.
" well yea that sounds like an authoritative manipulation to me.
Tensions mounting with both N.Korea and Iran (nevermind China for now), an borderline economic crisis, an over extended U.S. military in a war with no possible positive outcome except for the exploitation of a people and their natural resources (oh, and the positioning of a "true" democracy in the middle east that will never take form).
Meanwhile U.S. politicians can barely appease their sensationalist media, let alone the citizens, who all want something for nothing, even if it means taking from the person next to them.
I consider myself a pretty rational and calm individual.
I served honorably in the U.S. military, I went to college and have a good paying job and a comfortable life.
Am I the irrational one to say that that I feel stuck in a leaderless situation, part of a hopelessly flawed system of systems that is doomed to fail and spiraling out of any form of regulation or control?
Am I wrong to think that reform alone cannot fix a fundamental flaw in the various infrastructures that make up our country?
Am I the only one that sees mass panic growing in a nation full of self-serving ignorant hedonists, who would like nothing more than to pretend like 'this' (or that) isn't happening?
Perhaps I should just post some pictures of cute fluffy animals, watch my favorite tv shows on-demand, spend more money on entertainment, food and libations, regurgitate my superficial knowledge of the issues as seen on tv, dance and sing and skip because tomorrow is a bright, new day.
Or maybe I can quasi-involve myself by commenting on threads, blogging, twitting, and texting with others.
Maybe the best form of involvement for me, as a member of a mass crowd, is to speculate, raise suspicion, form unsubstantiated opinions and present them as fact, get others riled up, scare people, so I don't feel alone and become the 1 in 10 pseudo-expert who doesn't agree -- after all, building a platform on sensational conjecture, in opposition to mainstream sensationalism, is truely the American way (as evidence from this sensational conjecture).
(I really hope someone detects my sarcasm)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328437</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>Vintermann</author>
	<datestamp>1245012000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Still, he's the official authority, and official authorities always should have the benefit of doubt, no matter how much their hands stink.</p><p>Or that's at least what some people feel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Still , he 's the official authority , and official authorities always should have the benefit of doubt , no matter how much their hands stink.Or that 's at least what some people feel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still, he's the official authority, and official authorities always should have the benefit of doubt, no matter how much their hands stink.Or that's at least what some people feel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331189</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>pdcruze</author>
	<datestamp>1244994120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Ahmadinejad and his pals" weren't the only ones running the election and counting the votes.  To quote the Guardian (which like everyone else was hoping that Mousavi would win): "In this election moreover, there were two separate governmental election monitors in addition to observers from each camp to prevent mass voter fraud."
</p><p>
I don't think it is nearly so cut-and-dried as the media currently portray it.  Like most everyone else outside of Iran I was hoping that Mousavi would win the election but there's a very real and strong possibility that Ahmadinejad won the election fair and square on a pro-religious platform.  His heavy-handed response to protesters seems a little excessive (by our western standards) but seems inline with other crackdowns in Iran over the years.  So I'm not convinced this is necessarily proof that the election was rigged.  If however, they do uncover evidence of election rigging and he is tossed out, I'd be delighted.  But to date, the facts don't necessarily support this.
</p><p>
See this Guardian article for some more info: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/13/iranian-election/" title="guardian.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/13/iranian-election/</a> [guardian.co.uk].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Ahmadinejad and his pals " were n't the only ones running the election and counting the votes .
To quote the Guardian ( which like everyone else was hoping that Mousavi would win ) : " In this election moreover , there were two separate governmental election monitors in addition to observers from each camp to prevent mass voter fraud .
" I do n't think it is nearly so cut-and-dried as the media currently portray it .
Like most everyone else outside of Iran I was hoping that Mousavi would win the election but there 's a very real and strong possibility that Ahmadinejad won the election fair and square on a pro-religious platform .
His heavy-handed response to protesters seems a little excessive ( by our western standards ) but seems inline with other crackdowns in Iran over the years .
So I 'm not convinced this is necessarily proof that the election was rigged .
If however , they do uncover evidence of election rigging and he is tossed out , I 'd be delighted .
But to date , the facts do n't necessarily support this .
See this Guardian article for some more info : http : //www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/13/iranian-election/ [ guardian.co.uk ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Ahmadinejad and his pals" weren't the only ones running the election and counting the votes.
To quote the Guardian (which like everyone else was hoping that Mousavi would win): "In this election moreover, there were two separate governmental election monitors in addition to observers from each camp to prevent mass voter fraud.
"

I don't think it is nearly so cut-and-dried as the media currently portray it.
Like most everyone else outside of Iran I was hoping that Mousavi would win the election but there's a very real and strong possibility that Ahmadinejad won the election fair and square on a pro-religious platform.
His heavy-handed response to protesters seems a little excessive (by our western standards) but seems inline with other crackdowns in Iran over the years.
So I'm not convinced this is necessarily proof that the election was rigged.
If however, they do uncover evidence of election rigging and he is tossed out, I'd be delighted.
But to date, the facts don't necessarily support this.
See this Guardian article for some more info: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/13/iranian-election/ [guardian.co.uk].
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328671</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>vlm</author>
	<datestamp>1244970180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point.</p></div><p>Why would you say that?  Can you think of any US ally in the region whom would would benefit from a strong arab country shifting from focusing on foreign relations issues like abombs, to focus on a civil war?  You know, like that air craft carrier shaped country on the coast, the one that pretty much says "jump" and the US says "how high?"  The one that wants to bomb the Iranian abomb facilities, again?</p><p>If they had a revolution, I don't think "the US" or our little buddy would feel too bad.  In fact it might be an excellent distraction for a hit on the abomb facilities.  The Iranians are too busy shooting at their own civilians to shoot at our planes, etc.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point.Why would you say that ?
Can you think of any US ally in the region whom would would benefit from a strong arab country shifting from focusing on foreign relations issues like abombs , to focus on a civil war ?
You know , like that air craft carrier shaped country on the coast , the one that pretty much says " jump " and the US says " how high ?
" The one that wants to bomb the Iranian abomb facilities , again ? If they had a revolution , I do n't think " the US " or our little buddy would feel too bad .
In fact it might be an excellent distraction for a hit on the abomb facilities .
The Iranians are too busy shooting at their own civilians to shoot at our planes , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point.Why would you say that?
Can you think of any US ally in the region whom would would benefit from a strong arab country shifting from focusing on foreign relations issues like abombs, to focus on a civil war?
You know, like that air craft carrier shaped country on the coast, the one that pretty much says "jump" and the US says "how high?
"  The one that wants to bomb the Iranian abomb facilities, again?If they had a revolution, I don't think "the US" or our little buddy would feel too bad.
In fact it might be an excellent distraction for a hit on the abomb facilities.
The Iranians are too busy shooting at their own civilians to shoot at our planes, etc.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331993</id>
	<title>Re:Khamenei knows what he's doing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245002340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.</p><p>These are the guys who could just hold on to power by invoking God and playing with people's fear.  You don't expect them to be competent, do you?</p><p>Dictators' minions can be astonishingly incompetent, because all they have to do to stay in job is to flatter to their bosses.  Trust me, I see a lot of these guys in my own country.</p><p>- You fellow South Korean</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.These are the guys who could just hold on to power by invoking God and playing with people 's fear .
You do n't expect them to be competent , do you ? Dictators ' minions can be astonishingly incompetent , because all they have to do to stay in job is to flatter to their bosses .
Trust me , I see a lot of these guys in my own country.- You fellow South Korean</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.These are the guys who could just hold on to power by invoking God and playing with people's fear.
You don't expect them to be competent, do you?Dictators' minions can be astonishingly incompetent, because all they have to do to stay in job is to flatter to their bosses.
Trust me, I see a lot of these guys in my own country.- You fellow South Korean</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328595</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>ahabswhale</author>
	<datestamp>1245012960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm afraid if you want change, it has to come from within. The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government, by force if necessary. Chatting about it on the net won't help, and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point.</p></div><p>So easy to type while sitting on your fat ass in your lay-z-boy recliner.  And how many drops of blood did you shed during the American Revolution?  None, that's right.  So STFU with your "change from within" bullshit.  Until you put your ass on the line in the same way, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

FInally, revolutions need help.  If you knew history you would know that the US would not exist today without external help.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm afraid if you want change , it has to come from within .
The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government , by force if necessary .
Chatting about it on the net wo n't help , and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point.So easy to type while sitting on your fat ass in your lay-z-boy recliner .
And how many drops of blood did you shed during the American Revolution ?
None , that 's right .
So STFU with your " change from within " bullshit .
Until you put your ass on the line in the same way , you do n't know what the fuck you 're talking about .
FInally , revolutions need help .
If you knew history you would know that the US would not exist today without external help .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm afraid if you want change, it has to come from within.
The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government, by force if necessary.
Chatting about it on the net won't help, and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point.So easy to type while sitting on your fat ass in your lay-z-boy recliner.
And how many drops of blood did you shed during the American Revolution?
None, that's right.
So STFU with your "change from within" bullshit.
Until you put your ass on the line in the same way, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
FInally, revolutions need help.
If you knew history you would know that the US would not exist today without external help.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327795</id>
	<title>HAM Radio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245007320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur\_radio" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur\_radio</a> [wikipedia.org]
HAM Radio.</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur \ _radio [ wikipedia.org ] HAM Radio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amateur\_radio [wikipedia.org]
HAM Radio.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327781</id>
	<title>What's really going on.</title>
	<author>AppleOSuX</author>
	<datestamp>1245007260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder what's really going on in Iran. Because this wreaks of propaganda.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what 's really going on in Iran .
Because this wreaks of propaganda .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what's really going on in Iran.
Because this wreaks of propaganda.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329309</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244974500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as a preface, i'm american</p><p>one sad difference between the American Revolution and just about every other revolution since WWII is that since WWII most revolutions are aided by a fumbling government (we'll call 'umerikah') who is trying to promote their own agenda. the American Revolution had France involved but they didnt really meddle with the outworking of a new countries government, thats why it worked. with the US 'installing' government leaders in other countries all willy-nilly its a wonder the US hasnt had more terrorism directed its way. it really is irresponsible for the US to act the way it usually does in these situations. you cant go in to some sovereign nation, call yourselves liberators, crush the existing government, and decorate the way you see fit. thats downright treading on the sovereignty of their nation. untill the US realises that people have to liberate themselves we probably wont see too many new democracies in our lifetimes... and by the way, thats not neccisarily a bad thing, who said democracy is best for every nation? sure despots tend to be bad, but some nations actually thrive on non-democratic rule and it appears most people dont mind. look at China. Eventually people are gonna have to wake up and realize, sure, communism has its flaws but so does democracy, and for better or worse, countries and individuals need to learn to respect the rights of other nations to govern themselves the way they see fit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as a preface , i 'm americanone sad difference between the American Revolution and just about every other revolution since WWII is that since WWII most revolutions are aided by a fumbling government ( we 'll call 'umerikah ' ) who is trying to promote their own agenda .
the American Revolution had France involved but they didnt really meddle with the outworking of a new countries government , thats why it worked .
with the US 'installing ' government leaders in other countries all willy-nilly its a wonder the US hasnt had more terrorism directed its way .
it really is irresponsible for the US to act the way it usually does in these situations .
you cant go in to some sovereign nation , call yourselves liberators , crush the existing government , and decorate the way you see fit .
thats downright treading on the sovereignty of their nation .
untill the US realises that people have to liberate themselves we probably wont see too many new democracies in our lifetimes... and by the way , thats not neccisarily a bad thing , who said democracy is best for every nation ?
sure despots tend to be bad , but some nations actually thrive on non-democratic rule and it appears most people dont mind .
look at China .
Eventually people are gon na have to wake up and realize , sure , communism has its flaws but so does democracy , and for better or worse , countries and individuals need to learn to respect the rights of other nations to govern themselves the way they see fit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as a preface, i'm americanone sad difference between the American Revolution and just about every other revolution since WWII is that since WWII most revolutions are aided by a fumbling government (we'll call 'umerikah') who is trying to promote their own agenda.
the American Revolution had France involved but they didnt really meddle with the outworking of a new countries government, thats why it worked.
with the US 'installing' government leaders in other countries all willy-nilly its a wonder the US hasnt had more terrorism directed its way.
it really is irresponsible for the US to act the way it usually does in these situations.
you cant go in to some sovereign nation, call yourselves liberators, crush the existing government, and decorate the way you see fit.
thats downright treading on the sovereignty of their nation.
untill the US realises that people have to liberate themselves we probably wont see too many new democracies in our lifetimes... and by the way, thats not neccisarily a bad thing, who said democracy is best for every nation?
sure despots tend to be bad, but some nations actually thrive on non-democratic rule and it appears most people dont mind.
look at China.
Eventually people are gonna have to wake up and realize, sure, communism has its flaws but so does democracy, and for better or worse, countries and individuals need to learn to respect the rights of other nations to govern themselves the way they see fit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28333871</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245072420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>as far as I know they never asked you to change the situation there. they asked for information on how to set up independant communication networks.</p><p>communications and maps are power. there is no way to displace a governement if you can't even tell your neighbour you want to do it.</p><p>therefore, I suggest to place your post in the "useless junk" category.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>as far as I know they never asked you to change the situation there .
they asked for information on how to set up independant communication networks.communications and maps are power .
there is no way to displace a governement if you ca n't even tell your neighbour you want to do it.therefore , I suggest to place your post in the " useless junk " category .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as far as I know they never asked you to change the situation there.
they asked for information on how to set up independant communication networks.communications and maps are power.
there is no way to displace a governement if you can't even tell your neighbour you want to do it.therefore, I suggest to place your post in the "useless junk" category.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330011</id>
	<title>Alarmist Ask Slashdot</title>
	<author>MikeURL</author>
	<datestamp>1244981640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and remember how passionate partisans can get.  In particular it is rather irresponsible to pull some random slashdot submission and post it as though it is a news report.
<br> <br>
I'm not suggesting there were no irregularities in the Iranian election but I'm ready to wait for things to shake out a little before I'm talking about nuclear obliteration.  Maybe, just maybe, we can leave the absurd rhetoric in the province of North Korea.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and remember how passionate partisans can get .
In particular it is rather irresponsible to pull some random slashdot submission and post it as though it is a news report .
I 'm not suggesting there were no irregularities in the Iranian election but I 'm ready to wait for things to shake out a little before I 'm talking about nuclear obliteration .
Maybe , just maybe , we can leave the absurd rhetoric in the province of North Korea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think everyone needs to take a deep breath and remember how passionate partisans can get.
In particular it is rather irresponsible to pull some random slashdot submission and post it as though it is a news report.
I'm not suggesting there were no irregularities in the Iranian election but I'm ready to wait for things to shake out a little before I'm talking about nuclear obliteration.
Maybe, just maybe, we can leave the absurd rhetoric in the province of North Korea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329911</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>angel'o'sphere</author>
	<datestamp>1244980500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>They did end tyranny by replacing the shah<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<br></i><br>The Shah was not more a tyran as the queen of UK is a tyran.</p><p>Probably you should read up a bit about Iranian post WW II history. Iran had a parliament, a prime minister was about to introduce election rights for women etc.</p><p>They tyranny was AFTER the Shah when the Chomeinis established their religious regime.</p><p>angel'o'sphere</p><p>angel'o'sphere</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They did end tyranny by replacing the shah ...The Shah was not more a tyran as the queen of UK is a tyran.Probably you should read up a bit about Iranian post WW II history .
Iran had a parliament , a prime minister was about to introduce election rights for women etc.They tyranny was AFTER the Shah when the Chomeinis established their religious regime.angel'o'sphereangel'o'sphere</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They did end tyranny by replacing the shah ...The Shah was not more a tyran as the queen of UK is a tyran.Probably you should read up a bit about Iranian post WW II history.
Iran had a parliament, a prime minister was about to introduce election rights for women etc.They tyranny was AFTER the Shah when the Chomeinis established their religious regime.angel'o'sphereangel'o'sphere</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329741</id>
	<title>Freenet</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1244978820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is exactly what it was created for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly what it was created for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly what it was created for.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327983</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>druke</author>
	<datestamp>1245008760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>they're not asking for an army, they want tech advise...</htmltext>
<tokenext>they 're not asking for an army , they want tech advise.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they're not asking for an army, they want tech advise...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328085</id>
	<title>The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245009540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the absence of an external interfering force (e. g., the army of the Soviet Union), the fate of a nation is determined by its people.  Period.
<p>
After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market.  Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.
</p><p>
In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians.  The folks running the government are Iranian.  The president is Iranian.  The secret police are Iranian.  The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.
</p><p>
If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur.  Why?  A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.
</p><p>
Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government.  We must condemn Iranian culture.  Its product is the authoritarian state.
</p><p>
We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran.  If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence.  Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy.  The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.
</p><p>
The Iranians created this horrible society.  It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons.  We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.
</p><p>
Note that, 40 years ago, Vietnam suffered a worse fate (than the Iranians) at the hands of the Americans.  They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange, poisoning both the land and the people.  Yet, the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge (by, e. g., building a nuclear bomb) against the West.  Rather, the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society.  They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians.
</p><p>
Cultures are different.  Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different.  The Iranians bear 100\% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran.  We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the absence of an external interfering force ( e. g. , the army of the Soviet Union ) , the fate of a nation is determined by its people .
Period . After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe , the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market .
Except for Romania ( where its people killed their dictator ) , there was no violence .
In Iran ( and many other failed states ) , no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians .
The folks running the government are Iranian .
The president is Iranian .
The secret police are Iranian .
The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian .
If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran , violence will occur .
Why ? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates .
Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government .
We must condemn Iranian culture .
Its product is the authoritarian state .
We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran .
If the overwhelming majority of Iranians ( like the overwhelming majority of Poles ) truly support democracy , human rights , and peace with Israel , then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence .
Right now , the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy .
The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy .
The Iranians created this horrible society .
It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons .
We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities .
Note that , 40 years ago , Vietnam suffered a worse fate ( than the Iranians ) at the hands of the Americans .
They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange , poisoning both the land and the people .
Yet , the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge ( by , e. g. , building a nuclear bomb ) against the West .
Rather , the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society .
They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians .
Cultures are different .
Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different .
The Iranians bear 100 \ % of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran .
We should condemn Iranian culture and its people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the absence of an external interfering force (e. g., the army of the Soviet Union), the fate of a nation is determined by its people.
Period.

After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market.
Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.
In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians.
The folks running the government are Iranian.
The president is Iranian.
The secret police are Iranian.
The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.
If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur.
Why?  A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.
Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government.
We must condemn Iranian culture.
Its product is the authoritarian state.
We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran.
If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence.
Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy.
The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.
The Iranians created this horrible society.
It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons.
We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.
Note that, 40 years ago, Vietnam suffered a worse fate (than the Iranians) at the hands of the Americans.
They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange, poisoning both the land and the people.
Yet, the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge (by, e. g., building a nuclear bomb) against the West.
Rather, the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society.
They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians.
Cultures are different.
Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different.
The Iranians bear 100\% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran.
We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28337943</id>
	<title>Re:Darknets?</title>
	<author>Brandee07</author>
	<datestamp>1245092880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I imagine after all this has blown over and settled down, we can expect a strongly-worded letter, then?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I imagine after all this has blown over and settled down , we can expect a strongly-worded letter , then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I imagine after all this has blown over and settled down, we can expect a strongly-worded letter, then?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327891</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is what happened, Ahmadinejad and his pals:<ul>
<li>Run the election</li>
<li>Collect and count the votes</li><li>Supervise the whole process</li><li>Investigate the complaints</li></ul><p>
Some are looking for proof of fraud. But unless anyone is expecting Ahmadinejad to admit that he cheated, no solid official evidence is going to show up.<br>
On the other hand, they:
</p><ul>
<li>Shut down SMS service, main mode of communication reformists used for monitoring voting stations and reporting fraud. Minister of Communications says he doesn't know how it happened, which is quite an interesting thing to say considering he is the one who runs the switches.</li><li>All 5 prominent reformist websites were also filtered night before the election, still blocked in Iran.</li><li>Historically, conservatives have always lost when turnout goes above a certain number; around 60\% participation. This time participation was 80+ and they won, by a landslide. There's simply no logical explanation.</li><li>Pro-Ahmadinejad sources announced his victory, by a large margin, even included mostly accurate numbers hours before official results of initial count came out.</li>
<li>Youtube, other online video sources, BBCPersian TV, Mobile phones in Tehran are all down/inaccessible.</li>
<li>Prominent reformist figures have been detained (few of the top ones including former president Khatami's brother and his wife were freed this morning in fear of more tension, yes government <b>is</b> afraid)</li>
</ul><p>
Here's a clip from Corriere Della Sera on <a href="http://video.corriere.it/?vxSiteId=404a0ad6-6216-4e10-abfe-f4f6959487fd&amp;vxChannel=Dal+Mondo&amp;vxClipId=2524\_f37039ba-58b0-11de-903c-00144f02aabc&amp;vxBitrate=300" title="corriere.it" rel="nofollow">police attacking protesters.</a> [corriere.it]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what happened , Ahmadinejad and his pals : Run the election Collect and count the votesSupervise the whole processInvestigate the complaints Some are looking for proof of fraud .
But unless anyone is expecting Ahmadinejad to admit that he cheated , no solid official evidence is going to show up .
On the other hand , they : Shut down SMS service , main mode of communication reformists used for monitoring voting stations and reporting fraud .
Minister of Communications says he does n't know how it happened , which is quite an interesting thing to say considering he is the one who runs the switches.All 5 prominent reformist websites were also filtered night before the election , still blocked in Iran.Historically , conservatives have always lost when turnout goes above a certain number ; around 60 \ % participation .
This time participation was 80 + and they won , by a landslide .
There 's simply no logical explanation.Pro-Ahmadinejad sources announced his victory , by a large margin , even included mostly accurate numbers hours before official results of initial count came out .
Youtube , other online video sources , BBCPersian TV , Mobile phones in Tehran are all down/inaccessible .
Prominent reformist figures have been detained ( few of the top ones including former president Khatami 's brother and his wife were freed this morning in fear of more tension , yes government is afraid ) Here 's a clip from Corriere Della Sera on police attacking protesters .
[ corriere.it ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what happened, Ahmadinejad and his pals:
Run the election
Collect and count the votesSupervise the whole processInvestigate the complaints
Some are looking for proof of fraud.
But unless anyone is expecting Ahmadinejad to admit that he cheated, no solid official evidence is going to show up.
On the other hand, they:

Shut down SMS service, main mode of communication reformists used for monitoring voting stations and reporting fraud.
Minister of Communications says he doesn't know how it happened, which is quite an interesting thing to say considering he is the one who runs the switches.All 5 prominent reformist websites were also filtered night before the election, still blocked in Iran.Historically, conservatives have always lost when turnout goes above a certain number; around 60\% participation.
This time participation was 80+ and they won, by a landslide.
There's simply no logical explanation.Pro-Ahmadinejad sources announced his victory, by a large margin, even included mostly accurate numbers hours before official results of initial count came out.
Youtube, other online video sources, BBCPersian TV, Mobile phones in Tehran are all down/inaccessible.
Prominent reformist figures have been detained (few of the top ones including former president Khatami's brother and his wife were freed this morning in fear of more tension, yes government is afraid)

Here's a clip from Corriere Della Sera on police attacking protesters.
[corriere.it]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329419</id>
	<title>Re:Ways to help</title>
	<author>petsounds</author>
	<datestamp>1244975460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just saw an Iranian reporter tweet "I am accessing twitter from 148.233.239.24 Port:80 in tehran. you can avoid gov filters from here.pls RT"

Don't know if that will help anyone in the area, but thought I'd spread the word.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just saw an Iranian reporter tweet " I am accessing twitter from 148.233.239.24 Port : 80 in tehran .
you can avoid gov filters from here.pls RT " Do n't know if that will help anyone in the area , but thought I 'd spread the word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just saw an Iranian reporter tweet "I am accessing twitter from 148.233.239.24 Port:80 in tehran.
you can avoid gov filters from here.pls RT"

Don't know if that will help anyone in the area, but thought I'd spread the word.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328071</id>
	<title>Nuclear War?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245009480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously? If this election is stolen, it will be the same as any other stolen election. If the US went in with Nukes every time a dictator faked Democracy, there wouldn't be any life left on Earth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously ?
If this election is stolen , it will be the same as any other stolen election .
If the US went in with Nukes every time a dictator faked Democracy , there would n't be any life left on Earth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously?
If this election is stolen, it will be the same as any other stolen election.
If the US went in with Nukes every time a dictator faked Democracy, there wouldn't be any life left on Earth.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328361</id>
	<title>Technical discussion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245011460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Please, can you help us to set up some sort of network using our home wireless access points?</p></div></blockquote><p>
I actually found this line very intriguing. Is it really possible to set up an autonomous network using any sort of commodity wireless routers? It might be a not bad idea at all in a densely populated metropolis. Probably none come with the firmware allowing to do that, but there might be open firmware alternatives. So, 3 questions:<br>
1. Is it technically possible to connect two wireless routers together to form a network?<br>
2. Is there readily-available software needed to set up a centralized/hierarchical network in this way?<br>
3. P2P?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please , can you help us to set up some sort of network using our home wireless access points ?
I actually found this line very intriguing .
Is it really possible to set up an autonomous network using any sort of commodity wireless routers ?
It might be a not bad idea at all in a densely populated metropolis .
Probably none come with the firmware allowing to do that , but there might be open firmware alternatives .
So , 3 questions : 1 .
Is it technically possible to connect two wireless routers together to form a network ?
2. Is there readily-available software needed to set up a centralized/hierarchical network in this way ?
3. P2P ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please, can you help us to set up some sort of network using our home wireless access points?
I actually found this line very intriguing.
Is it really possible to set up an autonomous network using any sort of commodity wireless routers?
It might be a not bad idea at all in a densely populated metropolis.
Probably none come with the firmware allowing to do that, but there might be open firmware alternatives.
So, 3 questions:
1.
Is it technically possible to connect two wireless routers together to form a network?
2. Is there readily-available software needed to set up a centralized/hierarchical network in this way?
3. P2P?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329017</id>
	<title>Re:Emergency networking</title>
	<author>Trerro</author>
	<datestamp>1244972580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What about NNTP? Wasn't Usenet explicitly designed to run on limited hardware, an ad hoc network, and with any client simply needing to hit a server - ANY server - to have access to the whole network? Furthermore, because of the way articles propagate, you can use as much or as little coordination as necessary.- as long as everyone can hit a server, and that server can in turn hit another, and so on, your message reaches the whole network. For discussion, use normal groups, for files, use binary groups.</p><p>The lack of any central server also seems to be a major plus here - this is a situation where a server admin may very well get suddenly arrested, and since all articles will have already propogated, the destruction of one node leaves the overall network completely in tact - often with multiple routing paths, so nothing short of a door to door scouring of the network can destroy it... and even then, someone likely has everything saved to a USB stick and can smuggle it out and rebuild the network.</p><p>This also eliminates any need to constantly pass files and posts around - your server software will handle this automatically.</p><p>The main downsides to NNTP are:<br>1. It's not as user friendly as say... a modern forum system. While it's not all that difficult to use, some people ARE going to need a quick lesson, and that involves a bit of coordination. (It sounds like you're going to be going door to door to build your physical network anyway though, so this shouldn't be a huge issue. It IS going to increase the time involved though.)<br>2. You're probably going to need a dedicated client - web-based ones generally don't let you access groups that aren't on the main Usenet hierarchies of groups (and your groups won't be.) This means getting software distributed to basically everyone. If most people still have 'net access, and its just restricted, this is trivial. Just point everyone to a Gravity or XNews (or whatever) download, with a few mirror servers in case they filter out the official download. If that fails though, you may literally be down to running door to door with a USB stick to install the software. Again though, as you're probably going building to building to set up hardware anyway, this shouldn't add TOO much of an issue - but again, it's more time.<br>3. Propogation lag - simply put, messages have to be copied from server to server to server... to client, and when there isn't a good feed, that can take a while - hours sometimes. While that's fine for long term resistance planning, coordination, and generally just staying in touch, you can't count on it in a more urgent situation - you may very well be sending a message off that no one will read until you're already arrested!</p><p>It may not be the best or most elegant solution, but given the circumstances I think it's one of the better options.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What about NNTP ?
Was n't Usenet explicitly designed to run on limited hardware , an ad hoc network , and with any client simply needing to hit a server - ANY server - to have access to the whole network ?
Furthermore , because of the way articles propagate , you can use as much or as little coordination as necessary.- as long as everyone can hit a server , and that server can in turn hit another , and so on , your message reaches the whole network .
For discussion , use normal groups , for files , use binary groups.The lack of any central server also seems to be a major plus here - this is a situation where a server admin may very well get suddenly arrested , and since all articles will have already propogated , the destruction of one node leaves the overall network completely in tact - often with multiple routing paths , so nothing short of a door to door scouring of the network can destroy it... and even then , someone likely has everything saved to a USB stick and can smuggle it out and rebuild the network.This also eliminates any need to constantly pass files and posts around - your server software will handle this automatically.The main downsides to NNTP are : 1 .
It 's not as user friendly as say... a modern forum system .
While it 's not all that difficult to use , some people ARE going to need a quick lesson , and that involves a bit of coordination .
( It sounds like you 're going to be going door to door to build your physical network anyway though , so this should n't be a huge issue .
It IS going to increase the time involved though. ) 2 .
You 're probably going to need a dedicated client - web-based ones generally do n't let you access groups that are n't on the main Usenet hierarchies of groups ( and your groups wo n't be .
) This means getting software distributed to basically everyone .
If most people still have 'net access , and its just restricted , this is trivial .
Just point everyone to a Gravity or XNews ( or whatever ) download , with a few mirror servers in case they filter out the official download .
If that fails though , you may literally be down to running door to door with a USB stick to install the software .
Again though , as you 're probably going building to building to set up hardware anyway , this should n't add TOO much of an issue - but again , it 's more time.3 .
Propogation lag - simply put , messages have to be copied from server to server to server... to client , and when there is n't a good feed , that can take a while - hours sometimes .
While that 's fine for long term resistance planning , coordination , and generally just staying in touch , you ca n't count on it in a more urgent situation - you may very well be sending a message off that no one will read until you 're already arrested ! It may not be the best or most elegant solution , but given the circumstances I think it 's one of the better options .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What about NNTP?
Wasn't Usenet explicitly designed to run on limited hardware, an ad hoc network, and with any client simply needing to hit a server - ANY server - to have access to the whole network?
Furthermore, because of the way articles propagate, you can use as much or as little coordination as necessary.- as long as everyone can hit a server, and that server can in turn hit another, and so on, your message reaches the whole network.
For discussion, use normal groups, for files, use binary groups.The lack of any central server also seems to be a major plus here - this is a situation where a server admin may very well get suddenly arrested, and since all articles will have already propogated, the destruction of one node leaves the overall network completely in tact - often with multiple routing paths, so nothing short of a door to door scouring of the network can destroy it... and even then, someone likely has everything saved to a USB stick and can smuggle it out and rebuild the network.This also eliminates any need to constantly pass files and posts around - your server software will handle this automatically.The main downsides to NNTP are:1.
It's not as user friendly as say... a modern forum system.
While it's not all that difficult to use, some people ARE going to need a quick lesson, and that involves a bit of coordination.
(It sounds like you're going to be going door to door to build your physical network anyway though, so this shouldn't be a huge issue.
It IS going to increase the time involved though.)2.
You're probably going to need a dedicated client - web-based ones generally don't let you access groups that aren't on the main Usenet hierarchies of groups (and your groups won't be.
) This means getting software distributed to basically everyone.
If most people still have 'net access, and its just restricted, this is trivial.
Just point everyone to a Gravity or XNews (or whatever) download, with a few mirror servers in case they filter out the official download.
If that fails though, you may literally be down to running door to door with a USB stick to install the software.
Again though, as you're probably going building to building to set up hardware anyway, this shouldn't add TOO much of an issue - but again, it's more time.3.
Propogation lag - simply put, messages have to be copied from server to server to server... to client, and when there isn't a good feed, that can take a while - hours sometimes.
While that's fine for long term resistance planning, coordination, and generally just staying in touch, you can't count on it in a more urgent situation - you may very well be sending a message off that no one will read until you're already arrested!It may not be the best or most elegant solution, but given the circumstances I think it's one of the better options.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328027</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm, tough choice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245009060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You were moderated funny, but you also deserve to be rated insightful.</p><p>Iran's connectivity problems are just as likely to be the US's fault as they are their own. Destabilising a government often involves removing access to communications then blaming it on the local regime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You were moderated funny , but you also deserve to be rated insightful.Iran 's connectivity problems are just as likely to be the US 's fault as they are their own .
Destabilising a government often involves removing access to communications then blaming it on the local regime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You were moderated funny, but you also deserve to be rated insightful.Iran's connectivity problems are just as likely to be the US's fault as they are their own.
Destabilising a government often involves removing access to communications then blaming it on the local regime.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327925</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1245008340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>We got rid of our idiot leadership</p></div><p>In the US I am fairly sure we never really get rid of an idiot leadership, just postpone noticing things because the media hangs to the new side until some point halfway through an elected officials term, and then get a different sort of idiocracy as different issues come about. But there is no such thing as a total approval, everything done will piss off atleast some number of people somewhere. </p><p> But the system, no matter how it seems at the present, has worked for many years.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>We got rid of our idiot leadershipIn the US I am fairly sure we never really get rid of an idiot leadership , just postpone noticing things because the media hangs to the new side until some point halfway through an elected officials term , and then get a different sort of idiocracy as different issues come about .
But there is no such thing as a total approval , everything done will piss off atleast some number of people somewhere .
But the system , no matter how it seems at the present , has worked for many years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We got rid of our idiot leadershipIn the US I am fairly sure we never really get rid of an idiot leadership, just postpone noticing things because the media hangs to the new side until some point halfway through an elected officials term, and then get a different sort of idiocracy as different issues come about.
But there is no such thing as a total approval, everything done will piss off atleast some number of people somewhere.
But the system, no matter how it seems at the present, has worked for many years.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328175</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245009960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino\_theory" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino\_theory</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>Even if you know nothing about the history of the Brittish Empire you'll understand that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino \ _theory [ wikipedia.org ] Even if you know nothing about the history of the Brittish Empire you 'll understand that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino\_theory [wikipedia.org]Even if you know nothing about the history of the Brittish Empire you'll understand that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330131</id>
	<title>One possible answer is here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244983080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>www.freenetproject.org</p><p>- a decentralized, anonymous, censorship resistant peer-to-peer software, designed for situations EXACTLY like the one you are expieriencing: Freenet is designed in a way which makes it impossible to block if used properly: In darknet mode, each connection between the peers is FULLY encrypted and therefore cannot be blocked by internet traffic analysis. You should read the description of "Darknet" on the website to understand it more.</p><p>It provides much of the functionality of the normal internet: The ability to post websites, so called freesites, the ability to write mail, "freemail", and anonymous forums, FMS.</p><p>The core feature of Freenet is it's censorship resistance: Content is distributed on all computers which participate. Once you have uploaded something, it is IMPOSSIBLE to delete it, it will still be available to everyone even if your computer is offline.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>www.freenetproject.org- a decentralized , anonymous , censorship resistant peer-to-peer software , designed for situations EXACTLY like the one you are expieriencing : Freenet is designed in a way which makes it impossible to block if used properly : In darknet mode , each connection between the peers is FULLY encrypted and therefore can not be blocked by internet traffic analysis .
You should read the description of " Darknet " on the website to understand it more.It provides much of the functionality of the normal internet : The ability to post websites , so called freesites , the ability to write mail , " freemail " , and anonymous forums , FMS.The core feature of Freenet is it 's censorship resistance : Content is distributed on all computers which participate .
Once you have uploaded something , it is IMPOSSIBLE to delete it , it will still be available to everyone even if your computer is offline .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>www.freenetproject.org- a decentralized, anonymous, censorship resistant peer-to-peer software, designed for situations EXACTLY like the one you are expieriencing: Freenet is designed in a way which makes it impossible to block if used properly: In darknet mode, each connection between the peers is FULLY encrypted and therefore cannot be blocked by internet traffic analysis.
You should read the description of "Darknet" on the website to understand it more.It provides much of the functionality of the normal internet: The ability to post websites, so called freesites, the ability to write mail, "freemail", and anonymous forums, FMS.The core feature of Freenet is it's censorship resistance: Content is distributed on all computers which participate.
Once you have uploaded something, it is IMPOSSIBLE to delete it, it will still be available to everyone even if your computer is offline.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329107</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>mirshafie</author>
	<datestamp>1244973120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It would seem so, wouldn't it? Perhaps you should at least <i>try</i> to see how this tragic situation could arise?</p><p>It began of course with decades of tyranny that fueled fundamentalist and Soviet-friendly views. But the revolution itself did not rest upon the different socialist fractions or the different religious fractions, neither was it the work of any ethnic group in particular. The revolution happened out of a desire to stop the tyranny, but a lot of people had not really contemplated what should be in its place.</p><p>That is why after the revolution the <i>strongest established movement</i>, the fundamentalist shia muslim fractions, could claim power. They had national networks in place to organize on a national scale. They got rid of the most important competition, the communists (thousands are believed to have been executed in front of their co-workers). They organized an election which looked democratic enough that gave them complete power.</p><p>

What should the common Iranian do at this point? You have already risked your life to get rid of the pest of an oppressive regime with the support of the strongest army in the world. What is the point of trying to overthrow another oppressive regime without any form of organization of how the Iranian society should develop after another revolution?</p><p>You know, there may very well be a damn good point to continue the resistance, and Iranians do so in their own subtle ways every day. But you can't blame them for being cynical. I, however, can blame you for being cynical. These are people that need your moral support, not your ignorant judgments. Keep that in mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It would seem so , would n't it ?
Perhaps you should at least try to see how this tragic situation could arise ? It began of course with decades of tyranny that fueled fundamentalist and Soviet-friendly views .
But the revolution itself did not rest upon the different socialist fractions or the different religious fractions , neither was it the work of any ethnic group in particular .
The revolution happened out of a desire to stop the tyranny , but a lot of people had not really contemplated what should be in its place.That is why after the revolution the strongest established movement , the fundamentalist shia muslim fractions , could claim power .
They had national networks in place to organize on a national scale .
They got rid of the most important competition , the communists ( thousands are believed to have been executed in front of their co-workers ) .
They organized an election which looked democratic enough that gave them complete power .
What should the common Iranian do at this point ?
You have already risked your life to get rid of the pest of an oppressive regime with the support of the strongest army in the world .
What is the point of trying to overthrow another oppressive regime without any form of organization of how the Iranian society should develop after another revolution ? You know , there may very well be a damn good point to continue the resistance , and Iranians do so in their own subtle ways every day .
But you ca n't blame them for being cynical .
I , however , can blame you for being cynical .
These are people that need your moral support , not your ignorant judgments .
Keep that in mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It would seem so, wouldn't it?
Perhaps you should at least try to see how this tragic situation could arise?It began of course with decades of tyranny that fueled fundamentalist and Soviet-friendly views.
But the revolution itself did not rest upon the different socialist fractions or the different religious fractions, neither was it the work of any ethnic group in particular.
The revolution happened out of a desire to stop the tyranny, but a lot of people had not really contemplated what should be in its place.That is why after the revolution the strongest established movement, the fundamentalist shia muslim fractions, could claim power.
They had national networks in place to organize on a national scale.
They got rid of the most important competition, the communists (thousands are believed to have been executed in front of their co-workers).
They organized an election which looked democratic enough that gave them complete power.
What should the common Iranian do at this point?
You have already risked your life to get rid of the pest of an oppressive regime with the support of the strongest army in the world.
What is the point of trying to overthrow another oppressive regime without any form of organization of how the Iranian society should develop after another revolution?You know, there may very well be a damn good point to continue the resistance, and Iranians do so in their own subtle ways every day.
But you can't blame them for being cynical.
I, however, can blame you for being cynical.
These are people that need your moral support, not your ignorant judgments.
Keep that in mind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328037</id>
	<title>Fox News only true source of news these days</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245009120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the Topic "We've had a few readers send in updates on the chaotic post-election situation in Iran. Twitter is providing better coverage than CNN at the moment"</p><p>Fox News this morning and last night was talking about the same thing.  They commented on how most other US news sources had little or nothing on the Iran election.</p><p>CNN, and MSNBC has the lowest ratings of any Cable/Network News channel in the US.  They provide almost no news which is truthful or accurate.  The print media, like the New York Times hide real news stories from the public.</p><p>Where I work, MSNBC, CNN and the New York Times are blocked.</p><p>When will the good citizens of the US follow Texas and just pull the plug on CNN, MSNBC, and the New York times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the Topic " We 've had a few readers send in updates on the chaotic post-election situation in Iran .
Twitter is providing better coverage than CNN at the moment " Fox News this morning and last night was talking about the same thing .
They commented on how most other US news sources had little or nothing on the Iran election.CNN , and MSNBC has the lowest ratings of any Cable/Network News channel in the US .
They provide almost no news which is truthful or accurate .
The print media , like the New York Times hide real news stories from the public.Where I work , MSNBC , CNN and the New York Times are blocked.When will the good citizens of the US follow Texas and just pull the plug on CNN , MSNBC , and the New York times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the Topic "We've had a few readers send in updates on the chaotic post-election situation in Iran.
Twitter is providing better coverage than CNN at the moment"Fox News this morning and last night was talking about the same thing.
They commented on how most other US news sources had little or nothing on the Iran election.CNN, and MSNBC has the lowest ratings of any Cable/Network News channel in the US.
They provide almost no news which is truthful or accurate.
The print media, like the New York Times hide real news stories from the public.Where I work, MSNBC, CNN and the New York Times are blocked.When will the good citizens of the US follow Texas and just pull the plug on CNN, MSNBC, and the New York times.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328101</id>
	<title>Send David Lettermen to Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245009660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We should send David Lettermen to Iran.  If sending him there, does not resolve the world's problems with Iran, it will resolve the US problem of David Lettermen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We should send David Lettermen to Iran .
If sending him there , does not resolve the world 's problems with Iran , it will resolve the US problem of David Lettermen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We should send David Lettermen to Iran.
If sending him there, does not resolve the world's problems with Iran, it will resolve the US problem of David Lettermen.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328897</id>
	<title>Re:Technical discussion?</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1244971740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could set up a mesh network like the OLPC uses, using OpenWRT or whatever. It won't be fast, and it'll be snowing in hell before Windows supports 802.11s, but it's possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could set up a mesh network like the OLPC uses , using OpenWRT or whatever .
It wo n't be fast , and it 'll be snowing in hell before Windows supports 802.11s , but it 's possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could set up a mesh network like the OLPC uses, using OpenWRT or whatever.
It won't be fast, and it'll be snowing in hell before Windows supports 802.11s, but it's possible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328471</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>tksh</author>
	<datestamp>1245012180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Networking alone won't help the reformists come into power but it sure is key in spreading information and organising protests and sit-ins  (see: Obama '08 election).  A lot of people on Slashdot make fun of Twitter but it's incredibly useful in situations like this where other forms of real time communications are shutdown.<br>
<br>
Pretty much all the news so far from Iran have been a combination of on the ground journalists + satellite phones + Twitter.  Remember CNN's coverage on Tiananmem?  Twitter (very roughly) is filling in the same void for Tehran.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Networking alone wo n't help the reformists come into power but it sure is key in spreading information and organising protests and sit-ins ( see : Obama '08 election ) .
A lot of people on Slashdot make fun of Twitter but it 's incredibly useful in situations like this where other forms of real time communications are shutdown .
Pretty much all the news so far from Iran have been a combination of on the ground journalists + satellite phones + Twitter .
Remember CNN 's coverage on Tiananmem ?
Twitter ( very roughly ) is filling in the same void for Tehran .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Networking alone won't help the reformists come into power but it sure is key in spreading information and organising protests and sit-ins  (see: Obama '08 election).
A lot of people on Slashdot make fun of Twitter but it's incredibly useful in situations like this where other forms of real time communications are shutdown.
Pretty much all the news so far from Iran have been a combination of on the ground journalists + satellite phones + Twitter.
Remember CNN's coverage on Tiananmem?
Twitter (very roughly) is filling in the same void for Tehran.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28337621</id>
	<title>Re:Tor</title>
	<author>T Murphy</author>
	<datestamp>1245091440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I know you were just going for humor on the Tor/Thor note, but their parliament does have some Christian members. Might not be the best country but they still allow some religious freedom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you were just going for humor on the Tor/Thor note , but their parliament does have some Christian members .
Might not be the best country but they still allow some religious freedom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you were just going for humor on the Tor/Thor note, but their parliament does have some Christian members.
Might not be the best country but they still allow some religious freedom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328205</id>
	<title>Sorry, but you are f****d</title>
	<author>Libor Vanek</author>
	<datestamp>1245010200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry to say to you, but you are f****d<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-( Simply put - your government &amp; religion leaders has hard control over military (both official and semi-official IRGC) and you don't have total-majority (80-90\%) of population on your side, not speaking about military leaders. Your only chance to do bloody revolution, but how history teaches us, there is only a little chance that it will lead in long-term peaceful solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry to say to you , but you are f * * * * d : - ( Simply put - your government &amp; religion leaders has hard control over military ( both official and semi-official IRGC ) and you do n't have total-majority ( 80-90 \ % ) of population on your side , not speaking about military leaders .
Your only chance to do bloody revolution , but how history teaches us , there is only a little chance that it will lead in long-term peaceful solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry to say to you, but you are f****d :-( Simply put - your government &amp; religion leaders has hard control over military (both official and semi-official IRGC) and you don't have total-majority (80-90\%) of population on your side, not speaking about military leaders.
Your only chance to do bloody revolution, but how history teaches us, there is only a little chance that it will lead in long-term peaceful solution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328271</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245010740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>tl;dr
<br>
<br>
The topic was posted by kdawson.  'nough said.</htmltext>
<tokenext>tl ; dr The topic was posted by kdawson .
'nough said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>tl;dr


The topic was posted by kdawson.
'nough said.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28341485</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>jfreaksho</author>
	<datestamp>1245064620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.<br>-Ghandi</p><p>Non-violence was the best method for him to achieve his ends.  It would probably work more often than it is tried, but I can't imagine a world where violent action is never justified.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India , history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.-GhandiNon-violence was the best method for him to achieve his ends .
It would probably work more often than it is tried , but I ca n't imagine a world where violent action is never justified .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.-GhandiNon-violence was the best method for him to achieve his ends.
It would probably work more often than it is tried, but I can't imagine a world where violent action is never justified.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328201</id>
	<title>Don't panic!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245010200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Please tell us what to do or we are going to die in the a nuclear war between Iran and US.</p></div><p>Look on the bright side, at least your 'net connections will automatically re-route around any local ground zeros.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Please tell us what to do or we are going to die in the a nuclear war between Iran and US.Look on the bright side , at least your 'net connections will automatically re-route around any local ground zeros .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please tell us what to do or we are going to die in the a nuclear war between Iran and US.Look on the bright side, at least your 'net connections will automatically re-route around any local ground zeros.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327787</id>
	<title>Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245007260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sometimes in some situations the only real answer is unyielding violence. Sure you can hedge on the bet that eventually enough old people will die off that Iran could become a free country but at the rate they can find new help... sometimes a peaceful revolution just isn't a realistic expectation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sometimes in some situations the only real answer is unyielding violence .
Sure you can hedge on the bet that eventually enough old people will die off that Iran could become a free country but at the rate they can find new help... sometimes a peaceful revolution just is n't a realistic expectation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sometimes in some situations the only real answer is unyielding violence.
Sure you can hedge on the bet that eventually enough old people will die off that Iran could become a free country but at the rate they can find new help... sometimes a peaceful revolution just isn't a realistic expectation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327773</id>
	<title>Hmm, tough choice</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1245007200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>On one hand, we have the freedom and lives of millions of people. On the other hand we can help bring Twitter down. Tough choice...</htmltext>
<tokenext>On one hand , we have the freedom and lives of millions of people .
On the other hand we can help bring Twitter down .
Tough choice.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On one hand, we have the freedom and lives of millions of people.
On the other hand we can help bring Twitter down.
Tough choice...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328215</id>
	<title>Re:Tor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245010380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look, I'm not a professional in infosec--but please please PLEASE don't be recommending privacy protection services unless you actually UNDERSTAND what they are, and MAKE SURE it meets the needs of the consumer.</p><p>Using Tor in Iran (or china) is probably a surefire recipe to get yourself killed.  Tor provides CROWD ANONYMITY.  Not TOTAL ANONYMITY.  Systems like Freenet, combined with Tor (for example...although both of them have known weaknesses), could help to provide both (in theory).</p><p>If you use Tor--the locations you connect to don't know who you are, or where you've come from (presuming you use safe, responsible protocols--using a browser with cookies enabled through tor, and then browsing normally....) --and someone watching your traffic (in theory, although apparently not in practice due to cliqueish behavior) should not know your destination.  They can however--still detect your use of TOR.</p><p>Unless you're pretty sure nobody in the Iranian guard is capable of running a portscanner to look for it--recommending people use it without further addendum borders on criminally irresponsible.  The use has its DMCA--the rest of the world has the "it's illegal to hide anything" legislation.</p><p>Further (as some idiots in embassies discovered in the past year), Tor may provide anonmity--but it is not *private*.  Log into your IMAP server without encryption over Tor--and anyone watching can still tell it's you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , I 'm not a professional in infosec--but please please PLEASE do n't be recommending privacy protection services unless you actually UNDERSTAND what they are , and MAKE SURE it meets the needs of the consumer.Using Tor in Iran ( or china ) is probably a surefire recipe to get yourself killed .
Tor provides CROWD ANONYMITY .
Not TOTAL ANONYMITY .
Systems like Freenet , combined with Tor ( for example...although both of them have known weaknesses ) , could help to provide both ( in theory ) .If you use Tor--the locations you connect to do n't know who you are , or where you 've come from ( presuming you use safe , responsible protocols--using a browser with cookies enabled through tor , and then browsing normally.... ) --and someone watching your traffic ( in theory , although apparently not in practice due to cliqueish behavior ) should not know your destination .
They can however--still detect your use of TOR.Unless you 're pretty sure nobody in the Iranian guard is capable of running a portscanner to look for it--recommending people use it without further addendum borders on criminally irresponsible .
The use has its DMCA--the rest of the world has the " it 's illegal to hide anything " legislation.Further ( as some idiots in embassies discovered in the past year ) , Tor may provide anonmity--but it is not * private * .
Log into your IMAP server without encryption over Tor--and anyone watching can still tell it 's you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, I'm not a professional in infosec--but please please PLEASE don't be recommending privacy protection services unless you actually UNDERSTAND what they are, and MAKE SURE it meets the needs of the consumer.Using Tor in Iran (or china) is probably a surefire recipe to get yourself killed.
Tor provides CROWD ANONYMITY.
Not TOTAL ANONYMITY.
Systems like Freenet, combined with Tor (for example...although both of them have known weaknesses), could help to provide both (in theory).If you use Tor--the locations you connect to don't know who you are, or where you've come from (presuming you use safe, responsible protocols--using a browser with cookies enabled through tor, and then browsing normally....) --and someone watching your traffic (in theory, although apparently not in practice due to cliqueish behavior) should not know your destination.
They can however--still detect your use of TOR.Unless you're pretty sure nobody in the Iranian guard is capable of running a portscanner to look for it--recommending people use it without further addendum borders on criminally irresponsible.
The use has its DMCA--the rest of the world has the "it's illegal to hide anything" legislation.Further (as some idiots in embassies discovered in the past year), Tor may provide anonmity--but it is not *private*.
Log into your IMAP server without encryption over Tor--and anyone watching can still tell it's you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28333599</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245069060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;They won't be successful on their own, unless they have outside support</p><p>Outside support from (in general) hated US of America? It will just unite country against outsiders. That's how it works (at least always worked in Russia)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; They wo n't be successful on their own , unless they have outside supportOutside support from ( in general ) hated US of America ?
It will just unite country against outsiders .
That 's how it works ( at least always worked in Russia )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;They won't be successful on their own, unless they have outside supportOutside support from (in general) hated US of America?
It will just unite country against outsiders.
That's how it works (at least always worked in Russia)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328239</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245010500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Specific:</i> Saddam Hussein was supported by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry\_Healy" title="wikipedia.org">Gerry Healy's</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workers'\_Revolutionary\_Party\_(UK)" title="wikipedia.org">Worker's Revolutionary Party</a> [wikipedia.org]. He helped to fund them, and in turn, they published favourable articles about him.</p><p><i>General:</i> The Left advocates <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism" title="wikipedia.org">international socialism</a> [wikipedia.org], a political ideology based on totalitarian oppression of dissent, whether practised by hardline tyrants such as Stalin or by supposed "moderates" like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronstadt#Kronstadt\_Rebellion" title="wikipedia.org">Leon Trotsky</a> [wikipedia.org]. When did the Left advocate tyranny? <i>Constantly</i>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Specific : Saddam Hussein was supported by Gerry Healy 's [ wikipedia.org ] Worker 's Revolutionary Party [ wikipedia.org ] .
He helped to fund them , and in turn , they published favourable articles about him.General : The Left advocates international socialism [ wikipedia.org ] , a political ideology based on totalitarian oppression of dissent , whether practised by hardline tyrants such as Stalin or by supposed " moderates " like Leon Trotsky [ wikipedia.org ] .
When did the Left advocate tyranny ?
Constantly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Specific: Saddam Hussein was supported by Gerry Healy's [wikipedia.org] Worker's Revolutionary Party [wikipedia.org].
He helped to fund them, and in turn, they published favourable articles about him.General: The Left advocates international socialism [wikipedia.org], a political ideology based on totalitarian oppression of dissent, whether practised by hardline tyrants such as Stalin or by supposed "moderates" like Leon Trotsky [wikipedia.org].
When did the Left advocate tyranny?
Constantly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328249</id>
	<title>Really pointless until...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245010560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...they take the clerics out of the system.  The secular president
is just a puppet of the clerics, even if he is a "reformer".  What would
politics be like in this country if all the candidates were hand-picked
by televangelists?  That's Iran.  Until you fix that, it's pointless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...they take the clerics out of the system .
The secular president is just a puppet of the clerics , even if he is a " reformer " .
What would politics be like in this country if all the candidates were hand-picked by televangelists ?
That 's Iran .
Until you fix that , it 's pointless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...they take the clerics out of the system.
The secular president
is just a puppet of the clerics, even if he is a "reformer".
What would
politics be like in this country if all the candidates were hand-picked
by televangelists?
That's Iran.
Until you fix that, it's pointless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329891</id>
	<title>Re:Ways to help</title>
	<author>CreamyG31337</author>
	<datestamp>1244980260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>how do i find the Iran IP space?</htmltext>
<tokenext>how do i find the Iran IP space ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how do i find the Iran IP space?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328343</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>edittard</author>
	<datestamp>1245011340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> Because this wreaks of propaganda.</p></div></blockquote><p>I just hope nobody reeks havoc and destruction as a result.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because this wreaks of propaganda.I just hope nobody reeks havoc and destruction as a result .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Because this wreaks of propaganda.I just hope nobody reeks havoc and destruction as a result.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327781</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327989</id>
	<title>Use Ham/CB/FM Radio</title>
	<author>TheRagingTowel</author>
	<datestamp>1245008760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that what momen abdullah is asking can be achieved using ham radio. Look for PSK31 for low-bandwith digital communications. Maybe "truckers" in Iran are using CB radio? You can use that as well, maybe hack it a bit. Anyway, building a simple 80-100MHz FM band transmitter is very easy to build, just hook it into a power amplifier for better coverage.<br>
Look at the first search result on google for "fm transmitter", <a href="http://www.zen22142.zen.co.uk/Circuits/rf/txcct.htm" title="zen.co.uk" rel="nofollow">this</a> [zen.co.uk] is what i found. seems easy enough to build with easily attainable components.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that what momen abdullah is asking can be achieved using ham radio .
Look for PSK31 for low-bandwith digital communications .
Maybe " truckers " in Iran are using CB radio ?
You can use that as well , maybe hack it a bit .
Anyway , building a simple 80-100MHz FM band transmitter is very easy to build , just hook it into a power amplifier for better coverage .
Look at the first search result on google for " fm transmitter " , this [ zen.co.uk ] is what i found .
seems easy enough to build with easily attainable components .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that what momen abdullah is asking can be achieved using ham radio.
Look for PSK31 for low-bandwith digital communications.
Maybe "truckers" in Iran are using CB radio?
You can use that as well, maybe hack it a bit.
Anyway, building a simple 80-100MHz FM band transmitter is very easy to build, just hook it into a power amplifier for better coverage.
Look at the first search result on google for "fm transmitter", this [zen.co.uk] is what i found.
seems easy enough to build with easily attainable components.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327897</id>
	<title>Use this as a call to arms, not start of revolt</title>
	<author>waTR</author>
	<datestamp>1245008220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Iranians are not organized (the people), you cannot expect to achieve anything until you get organized. Start building groups, decentralized cells that operate on their own without a centralized leadership. Read and learn! Most of the Iranian supporters of Mousavi are intelligent, that is your weapon.

Learn about tactics, sabotage, etc., and gather supplies you will need. You cannot gather in groups and attack the police using the police's own tactics of large-scale street battles. You need insurgency, and sabotage.

You are intelligent Iranians, you can get into employment and infiltrate agencies that no other Iranian can. The only way a government can be brought down is with an insurgency from within. Look at the Soviet collapse for an idea of how this is done.

Most importantly, build international support, you cannot do this on your own. There are many organizations that would support a move towards democracy with supplies and money.

Without the above, you cannot achieve anything except suffering for those who would most likely be wanting to help the cause.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Iranians are not organized ( the people ) , you can not expect to achieve anything until you get organized .
Start building groups , decentralized cells that operate on their own without a centralized leadership .
Read and learn !
Most of the Iranian supporters of Mousavi are intelligent , that is your weapon .
Learn about tactics , sabotage , etc. , and gather supplies you will need .
You can not gather in groups and attack the police using the police 's own tactics of large-scale street battles .
You need insurgency , and sabotage .
You are intelligent Iranians , you can get into employment and infiltrate agencies that no other Iranian can .
The only way a government can be brought down is with an insurgency from within .
Look at the Soviet collapse for an idea of how this is done .
Most importantly , build international support , you can not do this on your own .
There are many organizations that would support a move towards democracy with supplies and money .
Without the above , you can not achieve anything except suffering for those who would most likely be wanting to help the cause .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Iranians are not organized (the people), you cannot expect to achieve anything until you get organized.
Start building groups, decentralized cells that operate on their own without a centralized leadership.
Read and learn!
Most of the Iranian supporters of Mousavi are intelligent, that is your weapon.
Learn about tactics, sabotage, etc., and gather supplies you will need.
You cannot gather in groups and attack the police using the police's own tactics of large-scale street battles.
You need insurgency, and sabotage.
You are intelligent Iranians, you can get into employment and infiltrate agencies that no other Iranian can.
The only way a government can be brought down is with an insurgency from within.
Look at the Soviet collapse for an idea of how this is done.
Most importantly, build international support, you cannot do this on your own.
There are many organizations that would support a move towards democracy with supplies and money.
Without the above, you cannot achieve anything except suffering for those who would most likely be wanting to help the cause.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328077</id>
	<title>To momen abdullah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245009480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimized\_Link\_State\_Routing\_Protocol" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimized\_Link\_State\_Routing\_Protocol</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p><a href="http://www.olsr.org/" title="olsr.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.olsr.org/</a> [olsr.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimized \ _Link \ _State \ _Routing \ _Protocol [ wikipedia.org ] http : //www.olsr.org/ [ olsr.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimized\_Link\_State\_Routing\_Protocol [wikipedia.org]http://www.olsr.org/ [olsr.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331335</id>
	<title>All they need to know...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244995320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.arrl.net</p><p>Unless that is blocked as well, everything they need to know to setup radio equipment, slow scan TV stations, etc. Integrating with home wireless is the easy part, although not at all necessary for communications. Handful of components and a string of wire and they are good to go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.arrl.netUnless that is blocked as well , everything they need to know to setup radio equipment , slow scan TV stations , etc .
Integrating with home wireless is the easy part , although not at all necessary for communications .
Handful of components and a string of wire and they are good to go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.arrl.netUnless that is blocked as well, everything they need to know to setup radio equipment, slow scan TV stations, etc.
Integrating with home wireless is the easy part, although not at all necessary for communications.
Handful of components and a string of wire and they are good to go.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28334731</id>
	<title>Re:Use Ham/CB/FM Radio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245078660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Truckers" are a pretty American concept.  Most countries don't have endless miles of lightly populated farmland to drive through.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Truckers " are a pretty American concept .
Most countries do n't have endless miles of lightly populated farmland to drive through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Truckers" are a pretty American concept.
Most countries don't have endless miles of lightly populated farmland to drive through.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327989</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328167</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245009960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Eisenhower was right with his <a href="http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0512/019.html" title="forbes.com" rel="nofollow">beware the "military-industrial complex"</a> [forbes.com] With Bush / Cheney / Rumfeld we got exactly what he warned about.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Eisenhower was right with his beware the " military-industrial complex " [ forbes.com ] With Bush / Cheney / Rumfeld we got exactly what he warned about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eisenhower was right with his beware the "military-industrial complex" [forbes.com] With Bush / Cheney / Rumfeld we got exactly what he warned about.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327887</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28335811</id>
	<title>Bring back UUCP</title>
	<author>haapi</author>
	<datestamp>1245083580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only needs POTS and modems.  Works unless the government wants to shut down the whole land-line phone network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only needs POTS and modems .
Works unless the government wants to shut down the whole land-line phone network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only needs POTS and modems.
Works unless the government wants to shut down the whole land-line phone network.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329641</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>slysithesuperspy</author>
	<datestamp>1244977860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You got rid of one idiot only for him to be replaced by another idiot, King Bush III. Is that what you call change?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You got rid of one idiot only for him to be replaced by another idiot , King Bush III .
Is that what you call change ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You got rid of one idiot only for him to be replaced by another idiot, King Bush III.
Is that what you call change?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327805</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330579</id>
	<title>two things</title>
	<author>mistahkurtz</author>
	<datestamp>1244987340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>first, i'm very disappointed, angry, saddened, and frustrated by what has happened and what is now happening. i'd very much like to help, but besides setting up rogue dns servers, or distributing pre-filled hosts.txt files (both of which could easily be stopped, if they're not already), i have no clue what sort of advice to offer besides don't trust anyone, encrypt everything, and speak in whispers (online and off) until you're ready to pay for what you have to say.<br>
<br>
second, should we really be offering advice in such a public place? if an iranian national can get to slashdot, so can iranian intelligence, or whoever it is that's actually imposing this oppression. there's not even any way to verify this person's identity, it could be some young iranian, supportive of the police state, trying to do his part to silence the dissenters.<br>
<br>
no, i'm sorry, i think i'd have to say that we shouldn't be saying anything of any real value, besides "i'm sorry". i hope you are able to figure this out on your own. my only advice is to move slowly, quietly, and deliberately. and good luck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>first , i 'm very disappointed , angry , saddened , and frustrated by what has happened and what is now happening .
i 'd very much like to help , but besides setting up rogue dns servers , or distributing pre-filled hosts.txt files ( both of which could easily be stopped , if they 're not already ) , i have no clue what sort of advice to offer besides do n't trust anyone , encrypt everything , and speak in whispers ( online and off ) until you 're ready to pay for what you have to say .
second , should we really be offering advice in such a public place ?
if an iranian national can get to slashdot , so can iranian intelligence , or whoever it is that 's actually imposing this oppression .
there 's not even any way to verify this person 's identity , it could be some young iranian , supportive of the police state , trying to do his part to silence the dissenters .
no , i 'm sorry , i think i 'd have to say that we should n't be saying anything of any real value , besides " i 'm sorry " .
i hope you are able to figure this out on your own .
my only advice is to move slowly , quietly , and deliberately .
and good luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first, i'm very disappointed, angry, saddened, and frustrated by what has happened and what is now happening.
i'd very much like to help, but besides setting up rogue dns servers, or distributing pre-filled hosts.txt files (both of which could easily be stopped, if they're not already), i have no clue what sort of advice to offer besides don't trust anyone, encrypt everything, and speak in whispers (online and off) until you're ready to pay for what you have to say.
second, should we really be offering advice in such a public place?
if an iranian national can get to slashdot, so can iranian intelligence, or whoever it is that's actually imposing this oppression.
there's not even any way to verify this person's identity, it could be some young iranian, supportive of the police state, trying to do his part to silence the dissenters.
no, i'm sorry, i think i'd have to say that we shouldn't be saying anything of any real value, besides "i'm sorry".
i hope you are able to figure this out on your own.
my only advice is to move slowly, quietly, and deliberately.
and good luck.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328253</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245010560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Having heard a bunch of leftists cry about how much better Saddam was for Iraq, and how wrong it was to actually try and get rid of a dictatorship, and seeing that the people on the ground really kinda liked their dictatorship, my ears for Iran are pretty deaf right now.</p></div><p>1) Saddam was better for Iraq than the way we handled things; he certainly wasn't better for all Iraqis; no one is free while others are oppressed.<br>2) It's wrong to try to get rid of a dictatorship purely by force of arms. What's even more wrong is that we created that dictatorship in the first place, by propping up Saddam originally. We knew he had WMDs [once] because <em>we sold them to him.</em><br>3) Yes, the privileged were mostly pretty happy with the way things were. When they came for the Jews... you know the rest.</p><p>The answer is not military intervention; the answer is to help them with their communications. It is an axiom that when a government tries to control the citizenry's ability to communicate amongst themselves, they have nefarious purposes in mind.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having heard a bunch of leftists cry about how much better Saddam was for Iraq , and how wrong it was to actually try and get rid of a dictatorship , and seeing that the people on the ground really kinda liked their dictatorship , my ears for Iran are pretty deaf right now.1 ) Saddam was better for Iraq than the way we handled things ; he certainly was n't better for all Iraqis ; no one is free while others are oppressed.2 ) It 's wrong to try to get rid of a dictatorship purely by force of arms .
What 's even more wrong is that we created that dictatorship in the first place , by propping up Saddam originally .
We knew he had WMDs [ once ] because we sold them to him.3 ) Yes , the privileged were mostly pretty happy with the way things were .
When they came for the Jews... you know the rest.The answer is not military intervention ; the answer is to help them with their communications .
It is an axiom that when a government tries to control the citizenry 's ability to communicate amongst themselves , they have nefarious purposes in mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having heard a bunch of leftists cry about how much better Saddam was for Iraq, and how wrong it was to actually try and get rid of a dictatorship, and seeing that the people on the ground really kinda liked their dictatorship, my ears for Iran are pretty deaf right now.1) Saddam was better for Iraq than the way we handled things; he certainly wasn't better for all Iraqis; no one is free while others are oppressed.2) It's wrong to try to get rid of a dictatorship purely by force of arms.
What's even more wrong is that we created that dictatorship in the first place, by propping up Saddam originally.
We knew he had WMDs [once] because we sold them to him.3) Yes, the privileged were mostly pretty happy with the way things were.
When they came for the Jews... you know the rest.The answer is not military intervention; the answer is to help them with their communications.
It is an axiom that when a government tries to control the citizenry's ability to communicate amongst themselves, they have nefarious purposes in mind.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327887</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330031</id>
	<title>Warsaw Pact Vs. Iranian Despot</title>
	<author>reporter</author>
	<datestamp>1244981880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Soviet Union brutalized Eastern Europe for 40 years.  Allied with the army of the Kremlin, the authoritarian governments of Eastern Europe, from 1950 until 1988, killed their own citizens as they tried to flee.  For 40 years, the Eastern Europeans suffered under the brutal yoke of oppression.
<p>
Then, after the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe in 1989, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market. Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.
</p><p>
That is how people act when they want freedom and free markets.
</p><p>
In 1979, after the Iranian people overthrow the despot whom the Americans supported, the Iranians immediately established a brutal, authoritarian theocracy.
</p><p>
That is how people act when they reject both freedom and free markets.
</p><p>
Cultures are different. Eastern-European culture and Iranian culture are different. The Iranians bear 100\% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran. We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Soviet Union brutalized Eastern Europe for 40 years .
Allied with the army of the Kremlin , the authoritarian governments of Eastern Europe , from 1950 until 1988 , killed their own citizens as they tried to flee .
For 40 years , the Eastern Europeans suffered under the brutal yoke of oppression .
Then , after the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe in 1989 , the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market .
Except for Romania ( where its people killed their dictator ) , there was no violence .
That is how people act when they want freedom and free markets .
In 1979 , after the Iranian people overthrow the despot whom the Americans supported , the Iranians immediately established a brutal , authoritarian theocracy .
That is how people act when they reject both freedom and free markets .
Cultures are different .
Eastern-European culture and Iranian culture are different .
The Iranians bear 100 \ % of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran .
We should condemn Iranian culture and its people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Soviet Union brutalized Eastern Europe for 40 years.
Allied with the army of the Kremlin, the authoritarian governments of Eastern Europe, from 1950 until 1988, killed their own citizens as they tried to flee.
For 40 years, the Eastern Europeans suffered under the brutal yoke of oppression.
Then, after the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe in 1989, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market.
Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.
That is how people act when they want freedom and free markets.
In 1979, after the Iranian people overthrow the despot whom the Americans supported, the Iranians immediately established a brutal, authoritarian theocracy.
That is how people act when they reject both freedom and free markets.
Cultures are different.
Eastern-European culture and Iranian culture are different.
The Iranians bear 100\% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran.
We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328967</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28335211</id>
	<title>Run a sneakernet</title>
	<author>Nerdposeur</author>
	<datestamp>1245080880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Cuba, I believe they have been using a "sneakernet" to distribute information discreetly. It's high latency, but also high bandwidth and hard to detect or snoop. Another advantage: it's basically drag-and-drop simple.</p><p>1) Get a bunch of USB thumb drives<br>2) Put text files, photos, videos, or whatever on them<br>3) (Optional) Encrypt them<br>4) Pass them from person to person, copying them as needed</p><p>No transmissions to intercept, no technical expertise necessary. All you need is are the drives and a pair of sneakers to walk to your neighbor's house.</p><p>Not exactly ideal, but it has some advantages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Cuba , I believe they have been using a " sneakernet " to distribute information discreetly .
It 's high latency , but also high bandwidth and hard to detect or snoop .
Another advantage : it 's basically drag-and-drop simple.1 ) Get a bunch of USB thumb drives2 ) Put text files , photos , videos , or whatever on them3 ) ( Optional ) Encrypt them4 ) Pass them from person to person , copying them as neededNo transmissions to intercept , no technical expertise necessary .
All you need is are the drives and a pair of sneakers to walk to your neighbor 's house.Not exactly ideal , but it has some advantages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Cuba, I believe they have been using a "sneakernet" to distribute information discreetly.
It's high latency, but also high bandwidth and hard to detect or snoop.
Another advantage: it's basically drag-and-drop simple.1) Get a bunch of USB thumb drives2) Put text files, photos, videos, or whatever on them3) (Optional) Encrypt them4) Pass them from person to person, copying them as neededNo transmissions to intercept, no technical expertise necessary.
All you need is are the drives and a pair of sneakers to walk to your neighbor's house.Not exactly ideal, but it has some advantages.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329395</id>
	<title>Re:Technical discussion?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244975340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know if there is software or firmware for this. But it is technically possible, and not a bad idea at all. The Internet is made up of Routers and Gateways after all. Any wifi router + network OS (pe: Linux, Unix or even Windows) have the functionality to read, transmit and relay IP data.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if there is software or firmware for this .
But it is technically possible , and not a bad idea at all .
The Internet is made up of Routers and Gateways after all .
Any wifi router + network OS ( pe : Linux , Unix or even Windows ) have the functionality to read , transmit and relay IP data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if there is software or firmware for this.
But it is technically possible, and not a bad idea at all.
The Internet is made up of Routers and Gateways after all.
Any wifi router + network OS (pe: Linux, Unix or even Windows) have the functionality to read, transmit and relay IP data.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328361</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328277</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245010800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... The Iranians created this horrible society.  It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons.  We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..... Cultures are different.  Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different.  The Iranians bear 100\% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran.  We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.</p></div><p>You seem to be missing out the part when the US helped overthrow the democratically elected government in 1953 and installed a brutal despot.  Nope, nothing to do with how that changed Iranian society at all.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... The Iranians created this horrible society .
It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons .
We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities ..... Cultures are different .
Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different .
The Iranians bear 100 \ % of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran .
We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.You seem to be missing out the part when the US helped overthrow the democratically elected government in 1953 and installed a brutal despot .
Nope , nothing to do with how that changed Iranian society at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ... The Iranians created this horrible society.
It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons.
We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities ..... Cultures are different.
Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different.
The Iranians bear 100\% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran.
We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.You seem to be missing out the part when the US helped overthrow the democratically elected government in 1953 and installed a brutal despot.
Nope, nothing to do with how that changed Iranian society at all.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328967</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>frieko</author>
	<datestamp>1244972220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If a "western democracy" overthrew your nation's government and put in a despot, would your first thought be "hey kids, let's overthrow it and install a western democracy!!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>If a " western democracy " overthrew your nation 's government and put in a despot , would your first thought be " hey kids , let 's overthrow it and install a western democracy ! !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a "western democracy" overthrew your nation's government and put in a despot, would your first thought be "hey kids, let's overthrow it and install a western democracy!!
"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329241</id>
	<title>Monitoring calls...</title>
	<author>sponga</author>
	<datestamp>1244974020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They are monitoring phone calls, that is scary<br>As in heavy breathing on the other side of the line; now they have to take all communications and do them in person.</p><p>Videos stopped leaking out to the media sites after about a dozen or so got out showing the huge crowds chasing the police. Mankind should be grateful for video/camera cellphones, it will be the tool that will expose the next Tianeman Square.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They are monitoring phone calls , that is scaryAs in heavy breathing on the other side of the line ; now they have to take all communications and do them in person.Videos stopped leaking out to the media sites after about a dozen or so got out showing the huge crowds chasing the police .
Mankind should be grateful for video/camera cellphones , it will be the tool that will expose the next Tianeman Square .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are monitoring phone calls, that is scaryAs in heavy breathing on the other side of the line; now they have to take all communications and do them in person.Videos stopped leaking out to the media sites after about a dozen or so got out showing the huge crowds chasing the police.
Mankind should be grateful for video/camera cellphones, it will be the tool that will expose the next Tianeman Square.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28343243</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245076740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the Atlantic helped the American Colonists a bit</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the Atlantic helped the American Colonists a bit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the Atlantic helped the American Colonists a bit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328419</id>
	<title>Emergency networking</title>
	<author>KeithIrwin</author>
	<datestamp>1245011820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, setting up large-scale adhoc networks with 802.11b/g hardware is kind of difficult.  What you'll want to look at is what's called "wireless mesh networking".  Mesh networking is basically the peer-to-peer of networks.  The difficulty with using 802.11b/g for mesh networking is that 802.11 standard doesn't really include any concept of a mesh.  There are two types of devices: access points and clients.  Access points cannot communicate with other access points.  It is however, possible for clients to communicate with other clients by switching to ad hoc networking mode.  So your options are thus:</p><p>1) get a lot of people with 802.11g-capable computers to switch into ad hoc networking mode.  This will allow them to connect to each other if the density is high enough (that is if there are enough people close enough).  Unfortunately, the range is on the small side, so, unfortunately, this may not work that well.  Part of the problem is that clients often have a lower broadcast strength than access points.</p><p>2) set up a specifically designed mesh network.  To do mesh networking in infrastructure mode, there are going to be four different types of nodes which can be used.  1) AP nodes 2) Client-Client nodes 3) AP-Client nodes 4) Client nodes</p><p>AP nodes:<br>An ordinary wireless access point can act as a hub node.</p><p>Client-Client nodes:<br>There have to be two radios for each client-client node.  Both will act as clients to other networks.  You'll either need one computer with two wireless cards or two computers which are connected together using some other means (or, if you happen to have an access point which can be switched to client mode (which very few can) then you could use that as a client).  You can connect the two computers using an ethernet hub, ethernet cross-over cable, null modem cable, or possibly firewire (although I've never done that).  The computers should each by set to bridging mode.  Basically, each client will connect to a different access point and they'll then serve to connect the two access points to each-other, bridging the networks.  Generally these should be on different frequencies.  Although there may be some circumstances where the same frequency can be used.</p><p>AP-Client nodes:<br>There have to be two radios for each AP-client node.  One will work as a client to another access point and one will act as an access point for other nodes.  Generally, this will mean one computer and one access point connected together by ethernet, but there are a few other ways to do it.  The computer should be set into some form of bridging mode which differs some based on operating system.  The two radios will always use different frequencies unless there's a long cable-run between them (opposite sides of a building or some such).</p><p>Now, you need to figure out how to put this together.  You need at least an initial group of people to help build the network.  And then you'll lay out a basic topology. You'll plot out the nodes you have available on a graph and then try to connect them together.  Client-Client nodes can connect to two nodes, either AP nodes or AP-Client nodes using infrastructure mode or to other Client-Client nodes in ad hoc mode.    AP nodes can have multiple Client-Client or AP-Client nodes connected to them.  AP nodes cannot connect to other AP nodes unless both AP nodes have wireless bridging modes (very rare) and you can get them to work (even rarer).  AP-Client nodes can connect to one AP node (infrastructure) or one Client-Client node (ad hoc) and can have multiple AP-Client or Client-Client nodes connected to them  The Client nodes can be used only as stepping stones in an ad hoc connection.  I.e. if two client-client nodes want to connect, but are two far from each other, you can put a Client node in between in ad hoc mode and it'll help them connect.  This can be done with a string of client nodes.</p><p>You'll want to draw all this out on a map, and possibly rearrange equipment as needed to fill in the gaps.  You'll also need to decide frequencies so</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , setting up large-scale adhoc networks with 802.11b/g hardware is kind of difficult .
What you 'll want to look at is what 's called " wireless mesh networking " .
Mesh networking is basically the peer-to-peer of networks .
The difficulty with using 802.11b/g for mesh networking is that 802.11 standard does n't really include any concept of a mesh .
There are two types of devices : access points and clients .
Access points can not communicate with other access points .
It is however , possible for clients to communicate with other clients by switching to ad hoc networking mode .
So your options are thus : 1 ) get a lot of people with 802.11g-capable computers to switch into ad hoc networking mode .
This will allow them to connect to each other if the density is high enough ( that is if there are enough people close enough ) .
Unfortunately , the range is on the small side , so , unfortunately , this may not work that well .
Part of the problem is that clients often have a lower broadcast strength than access points.2 ) set up a specifically designed mesh network .
To do mesh networking in infrastructure mode , there are going to be four different types of nodes which can be used .
1 ) AP nodes 2 ) Client-Client nodes 3 ) AP-Client nodes 4 ) Client nodesAP nodes : An ordinary wireless access point can act as a hub node.Client-Client nodes : There have to be two radios for each client-client node .
Both will act as clients to other networks .
You 'll either need one computer with two wireless cards or two computers which are connected together using some other means ( or , if you happen to have an access point which can be switched to client mode ( which very few can ) then you could use that as a client ) .
You can connect the two computers using an ethernet hub , ethernet cross-over cable , null modem cable , or possibly firewire ( although I 've never done that ) .
The computers should each by set to bridging mode .
Basically , each client will connect to a different access point and they 'll then serve to connect the two access points to each-other , bridging the networks .
Generally these should be on different frequencies .
Although there may be some circumstances where the same frequency can be used.AP-Client nodes : There have to be two radios for each AP-client node .
One will work as a client to another access point and one will act as an access point for other nodes .
Generally , this will mean one computer and one access point connected together by ethernet , but there are a few other ways to do it .
The computer should be set into some form of bridging mode which differs some based on operating system .
The two radios will always use different frequencies unless there 's a long cable-run between them ( opposite sides of a building or some such ) .Now , you need to figure out how to put this together .
You need at least an initial group of people to help build the network .
And then you 'll lay out a basic topology .
You 'll plot out the nodes you have available on a graph and then try to connect them together .
Client-Client nodes can connect to two nodes , either AP nodes or AP-Client nodes using infrastructure mode or to other Client-Client nodes in ad hoc mode .
AP nodes can have multiple Client-Client or AP-Client nodes connected to them .
AP nodes can not connect to other AP nodes unless both AP nodes have wireless bridging modes ( very rare ) and you can get them to work ( even rarer ) .
AP-Client nodes can connect to one AP node ( infrastructure ) or one Client-Client node ( ad hoc ) and can have multiple AP-Client or Client-Client nodes connected to them The Client nodes can be used only as stepping stones in an ad hoc connection .
I.e. if two client-client nodes want to connect , but are two far from each other , you can put a Client node in between in ad hoc mode and it 'll help them connect .
This can be done with a string of client nodes.You 'll want to draw all this out on a map , and possibly rearrange equipment as needed to fill in the gaps .
You 'll also need to decide frequencies so</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, setting up large-scale adhoc networks with 802.11b/g hardware is kind of difficult.
What you'll want to look at is what's called "wireless mesh networking".
Mesh networking is basically the peer-to-peer of networks.
The difficulty with using 802.11b/g for mesh networking is that 802.11 standard doesn't really include any concept of a mesh.
There are two types of devices: access points and clients.
Access points cannot communicate with other access points.
It is however, possible for clients to communicate with other clients by switching to ad hoc networking mode.
So your options are thus:1) get a lot of people with 802.11g-capable computers to switch into ad hoc networking mode.
This will allow them to connect to each other if the density is high enough (that is if there are enough people close enough).
Unfortunately, the range is on the small side, so, unfortunately, this may not work that well.
Part of the problem is that clients often have a lower broadcast strength than access points.2) set up a specifically designed mesh network.
To do mesh networking in infrastructure mode, there are going to be four different types of nodes which can be used.
1) AP nodes 2) Client-Client nodes 3) AP-Client nodes 4) Client nodesAP nodes:An ordinary wireless access point can act as a hub node.Client-Client nodes:There have to be two radios for each client-client node.
Both will act as clients to other networks.
You'll either need one computer with two wireless cards or two computers which are connected together using some other means (or, if you happen to have an access point which can be switched to client mode (which very few can) then you could use that as a client).
You can connect the two computers using an ethernet hub, ethernet cross-over cable, null modem cable, or possibly firewire (although I've never done that).
The computers should each by set to bridging mode.
Basically, each client will connect to a different access point and they'll then serve to connect the two access points to each-other, bridging the networks.
Generally these should be on different frequencies.
Although there may be some circumstances where the same frequency can be used.AP-Client nodes:There have to be two radios for each AP-client node.
One will work as a client to another access point and one will act as an access point for other nodes.
Generally, this will mean one computer and one access point connected together by ethernet, but there are a few other ways to do it.
The computer should be set into some form of bridging mode which differs some based on operating system.
The two radios will always use different frequencies unless there's a long cable-run between them (opposite sides of a building or some such).Now, you need to figure out how to put this together.
You need at least an initial group of people to help build the network.
And then you'll lay out a basic topology.
You'll plot out the nodes you have available on a graph and then try to connect them together.
Client-Client nodes can connect to two nodes, either AP nodes or AP-Client nodes using infrastructure mode or to other Client-Client nodes in ad hoc mode.
AP nodes can have multiple Client-Client or AP-Client nodes connected to them.
AP nodes cannot connect to other AP nodes unless both AP nodes have wireless bridging modes (very rare) and you can get them to work (even rarer).
AP-Client nodes can connect to one AP node (infrastructure) or one Client-Client node (ad hoc) and can have multiple AP-Client or Client-Client nodes connected to them  The Client nodes can be used only as stepping stones in an ad hoc connection.
I.e. if two client-client nodes want to connect, but are two far from each other, you can put a Client node in between in ad hoc mode and it'll help them connect.
This can be done with a string of client nodes.You'll want to draw all this out on a map, and possibly rearrange equipment as needed to fill in the gaps.
You'll also need to decide frequencies so</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329507</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>vertigoCiel</author>
	<datestamp>1244976420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>You would tell these protestors, many of whom were not alive during the revolution of '79, that they do not deserve to have their voiced heard because of choices their parents made?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You would tell these protestors , many of whom were not alive during the revolution of '79 , that they do not deserve to have their voiced heard because of choices their parents made ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would tell these protestors, many of whom were not alive during the revolution of '79, that they do not deserve to have their voiced heard because of choices their parents made?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329587</id>
	<title>On the topic of Gandhi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244977380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a bit off-topic, but it irks me how often he is brought forward as an example.</p><p>Gandhi succeeded because he survived long enough to gain attention in the public life in England. The English public and politicians, having an interesting mix of acceptance for imperialism and notions of freedom, started rooting for Gandhi and applied pressure to pull the army back.</p><p>This means that Gandhi would NOT have lived if ANY of the following had taken place:</p><p>- England had a religious view that Indians were either somehow dirty, or cursed, or without value. In this case they wouldn't have bothered about the killing of anyone.</p><p>- English soldiers were regularly either a) drugged, b) undisciplined, c) disorganised. In each of these cases it's beyond likely that a local sergeant would have gotten fed up with his antics and killed him.</p><p>- He started blockading trains before he became too well-known to be killed</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a bit off-topic , but it irks me how often he is brought forward as an example.Gandhi succeeded because he survived long enough to gain attention in the public life in England .
The English public and politicians , having an interesting mix of acceptance for imperialism and notions of freedom , started rooting for Gandhi and applied pressure to pull the army back.This means that Gandhi would NOT have lived if ANY of the following had taken place : - England had a religious view that Indians were either somehow dirty , or cursed , or without value .
In this case they would n't have bothered about the killing of anyone.- English soldiers were regularly either a ) drugged , b ) undisciplined , c ) disorganised .
In each of these cases it 's beyond likely that a local sergeant would have gotten fed up with his antics and killed him.- He started blockading trains before he became too well-known to be killed</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a bit off-topic, but it irks me how often he is brought forward as an example.Gandhi succeeded because he survived long enough to gain attention in the public life in England.
The English public and politicians, having an interesting mix of acceptance for imperialism and notions of freedom, started rooting for Gandhi and applied pressure to pull the army back.This means that Gandhi would NOT have lived if ANY of the following had taken place:- England had a religious view that Indians were either somehow dirty, or cursed, or without value.
In this case they wouldn't have bothered about the killing of anyone.- English soldiers were regularly either a) drugged, b) undisciplined, c) disorganised.
In each of these cases it's beyond likely that a local sergeant would have gotten fed up with his antics and killed him.- He started blockading trains before he became too well-known to be killed</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328371</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1245011520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can never get a person who thinks he has god on his side to believe he is wrong.</p></div><p>By the way, while we're at it - the "Supreme Leader" Ali Khamenei has already called the official result of the election a "divine assessment".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can never get a person who thinks he has god on his side to believe he is wrong.By the way , while we 're at it - the " Supreme Leader " Ali Khamenei has already called the official result of the election a " divine assessment " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can never get a person who thinks he has god on his side to believe he is wrong.By the way, while we're at it - the "Supreme Leader" Ali Khamenei has already called the official result of the election a "divine assessment".
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330349</id>
	<title>WiFi Mesh Cheap: meraka.org.za</title>
	<author>Bob9113</author>
	<datestamp>1244985060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Please, can you help us to set up some sort of network using our home wireless access points? Can anybody show us a link on how to install small TV/radio stations? Any suggestion for setting up a network? Please tell us what to do or we are going to die in the a nuclear war between Iran and US.</i></p><p>Here's a great guide from an African organization:</p><p><a href="http://wirelessafrica.meraka.org.za/wiki/index.php/DIY\_Mesh\_Guide" title="meraka.org.za">http://wirelessafrica.meraka.org.za/wiki/index.php/DIY\_Mesh\_Guide</a> [meraka.org.za]</p><p>Good luck!</p><p>And, JM2C: I don't think either Barack or Mahmoud will fire the first nuke. Scary as it is, MAD is pretty stable. Think about how it would play out:</p><p>America strikes first:<br>1. Iran destroyed. (sorry to be so blunt, but it is a fact)<br>2. Global backlash against America.<br>3. America rapidly destabilizes economically (ie: much worse than now).<br>4. North Korea senses weakness and takes out Seoul (probably conventional, not nuclear).</p><p>And that's not considering anything else that would happen in the Middle East. For example, there's a good chance Israel would be destroyed. Barack understands that whole chain of events - it's not rocket science.</p><p>As for Mahmoud? Love him or hate him, think he's good, evil, or has his back against the wall -- regardless of any of that, he's fairly smart. You don't get to his position without having a fair bit of desire for power, and the mental capacity to figure out how to get it. If he strikes first, he loses everything he has built. He knows that.</p><p>So, build your mesh network, let's get to know each other through global social networks, and work together to stop the hatred and fear on both sides.</p><p>But don't sweat the nukes. It won't happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please , can you help us to set up some sort of network using our home wireless access points ?
Can anybody show us a link on how to install small TV/radio stations ?
Any suggestion for setting up a network ?
Please tell us what to do or we are going to die in the a nuclear war between Iran and US.Here 's a great guide from an African organization : http : //wirelessafrica.meraka.org.za/wiki/index.php/DIY \ _Mesh \ _Guide [ meraka.org.za ] Good luck ! And , JM2C : I do n't think either Barack or Mahmoud will fire the first nuke .
Scary as it is , MAD is pretty stable .
Think about how it would play out : America strikes first : 1 .
Iran destroyed .
( sorry to be so blunt , but it is a fact ) 2 .
Global backlash against America.3 .
America rapidly destabilizes economically ( ie : much worse than now ) .4 .
North Korea senses weakness and takes out Seoul ( probably conventional , not nuclear ) .And that 's not considering anything else that would happen in the Middle East .
For example , there 's a good chance Israel would be destroyed .
Barack understands that whole chain of events - it 's not rocket science.As for Mahmoud ?
Love him or hate him , think he 's good , evil , or has his back against the wall -- regardless of any of that , he 's fairly smart .
You do n't get to his position without having a fair bit of desire for power , and the mental capacity to figure out how to get it .
If he strikes first , he loses everything he has built .
He knows that.So , build your mesh network , let 's get to know each other through global social networks , and work together to stop the hatred and fear on both sides.But do n't sweat the nukes .
It wo n't happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please, can you help us to set up some sort of network using our home wireless access points?
Can anybody show us a link on how to install small TV/radio stations?
Any suggestion for setting up a network?
Please tell us what to do or we are going to die in the a nuclear war between Iran and US.Here's a great guide from an African organization:http://wirelessafrica.meraka.org.za/wiki/index.php/DIY\_Mesh\_Guide [meraka.org.za]Good luck!And, JM2C: I don't think either Barack or Mahmoud will fire the first nuke.
Scary as it is, MAD is pretty stable.
Think about how it would play out:America strikes first:1.
Iran destroyed.
(sorry to be so blunt, but it is a fact)2.
Global backlash against America.3.
America rapidly destabilizes economically (ie: much worse than now).4.
North Korea senses weakness and takes out Seoul (probably conventional, not nuclear).And that's not considering anything else that would happen in the Middle East.
For example, there's a good chance Israel would be destroyed.
Barack understands that whole chain of events - it's not rocket science.As for Mahmoud?
Love him or hate him, think he's good, evil, or has his back against the wall -- regardless of any of that, he's fairly smart.
You don't get to his position without having a fair bit of desire for power, and the mental capacity to figure out how to get it.
If he strikes first, he loses everything he has built.
He knows that.So, build your mesh network, let's get to know each other through global social networks, and work together to stop the hatred and fear on both sides.But don't sweat the nukes.
It won't happen.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>OzPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1245009000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If anything Iran deserves more help from the west as it was the west that effectively put the bad guys in charge in Iran, when they toppled the democratically elected government in the 1950's and installed their own pet despot (under the guise of saving the world from communism) . IMHO the flow on from this act set the scene for creating a large part of the mess that the middle east is in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If anything Iran deserves more help from the west as it was the west that effectively put the bad guys in charge in Iran , when they toppled the democratically elected government in the 1950 's and installed their own pet despot ( under the guise of saving the world from communism ) .
IMHO the flow on from this act set the scene for creating a large part of the mess that the middle east is in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anything Iran deserves more help from the west as it was the west that effectively put the bad guys in charge in Iran, when they toppled the democratically elected government in the 1950's and installed their own pet despot (under the guise of saving the world from communism) .
IMHO the flow on from this act set the scene for creating a large part of the mess that the middle east is in.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28336917</id>
	<title>Re:there is only one thing to do now...</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1245088260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I mean, seriously. Your country was just taken over, and you're up in arms about communications? You should be, literally, up in arms.</p></div><p>Yes, first and foremost.  Look, <em>you</em> be a well-armed expert marksman, but a lot of people aren't.  There are plenty of stereotypical geeks who would absolutely suck on the battlefield or in urban warfare but who are experts in creative messaging.  Would you rather waste them as cannon fodder or have them working to get news about your struggle to the outside world so that rich outsiders can take pity and buy guns for you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , seriously .
Your country was just taken over , and you 're up in arms about communications ?
You should be , literally , up in arms.Yes , first and foremost .
Look , you be a well-armed expert marksman , but a lot of people are n't .
There are plenty of stereotypical geeks who would absolutely suck on the battlefield or in urban warfare but who are experts in creative messaging .
Would you rather waste them as cannon fodder or have them working to get news about your struggle to the outside world so that rich outsiders can take pity and buy guns for you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, seriously.
Your country was just taken over, and you're up in arms about communications?
You should be, literally, up in arms.Yes, first and foremost.
Look, you be a well-armed expert marksman, but a lot of people aren't.
There are plenty of stereotypical geeks who would absolutely suck on the battlefield or in urban warfare but who are experts in creative messaging.
Would you rather waste them as cannon fodder or have them working to get news about your struggle to the outside world so that rich outsiders can take pity and buy guns for you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28335105</id>
	<title>Re:Ways to help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245080400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Martin,</p><p>The best way to subvert censorship in these jurisdictions is via OpenVPN. TOR is too slow and has already been hacked and regular VPN services can also be blocked by ISPs. I've tried VPNTunnel and StrongVPN and the fastest is StrongVPN. I use it daily and it's the exact same speed as my unencrypted path which the ISP can filter and run its deep packet inspection software. The encryption is also 1024bit so nobody can hack it unless they have something nobody knows about (i.e 25 yrs ahead), highly doubt Iran or its ISPs have anything to circumvent 1024bit OpenVPN.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Martin,The best way to subvert censorship in these jurisdictions is via OpenVPN .
TOR is too slow and has already been hacked and regular VPN services can also be blocked by ISPs .
I 've tried VPNTunnel and StrongVPN and the fastest is StrongVPN .
I use it daily and it 's the exact same speed as my unencrypted path which the ISP can filter and run its deep packet inspection software .
The encryption is also 1024bit so nobody can hack it unless they have something nobody knows about ( i.e 25 yrs ahead ) , highly doubt Iran or its ISPs have anything to circumvent 1024bit OpenVPN .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Martin,The best way to subvert censorship in these jurisdictions is via OpenVPN.
TOR is too slow and has already been hacked and regular VPN services can also be blocked by ISPs.
I've tried VPNTunnel and StrongVPN and the fastest is StrongVPN.
I use it daily and it's the exact same speed as my unencrypted path which the ISP can filter and run its deep packet inspection software.
The encryption is also 1024bit so nobody can hack it unless they have something nobody knows about (i.e 25 yrs ahead), highly doubt Iran or its ISPs have anything to circumvent 1024bit OpenVPN.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329887</id>
	<title>Actually this started a good while back...</title>
	<author>Yamagami</author>
	<datestamp>1244980260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>By taking out Saddam he destabilized the entire balance of power between Iraq and Iran. Saddam actually kept Iran in check and vice versa. The second Saddam was out of the picture Iran raised its head in defiance and started to chase them atoms... Saddam would not have let this happen. Bush Jr., aspiring to Bush Sr., thought it would be a good idea to do as Dad did and invade Iraq. And while we're at it, lets one up ol' Dad, and actually get rid of Saddam. Talk about family feuds...</htmltext>
<tokenext>By taking out Saddam he destabilized the entire balance of power between Iraq and Iran .
Saddam actually kept Iran in check and vice versa .
The second Saddam was out of the picture Iran raised its head in defiance and started to chase them atoms... Saddam would not have let this happen .
Bush Jr. , aspiring to Bush Sr. , thought it would be a good idea to do as Dad did and invade Iraq .
And while we 're at it , lets one up ol ' Dad , and actually get rid of Saddam .
Talk about family feuds.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By taking out Saddam he destabilized the entire balance of power between Iraq and Iran.
Saddam actually kept Iran in check and vice versa.
The second Saddam was out of the picture Iran raised its head in defiance and started to chase them atoms... Saddam would not have let this happen.
Bush Jr., aspiring to Bush Sr., thought it would be a good idea to do as Dad did and invade Iraq.
And while we're at it, lets one up ol' Dad, and actually get rid of Saddam.
Talk about family feuds...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331917</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245001560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are clearly a retard, as are all the people who modded you insightful.</p><p>The 2nd amendment:</p><p>"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."</p><p>Before it was clear that the U.S. would be able to support a permanent standing army, citizen militias were necessary to defend the nascent state from outside invaders (i.e. Great Britain).</p><p>And four score and seven years later, when we actually did have a second revolution (the Civil War), citizen militias were already obsolete.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are clearly a retard , as are all the people who modded you insightful.The 2nd amendment : " A well regulated Militia , being necessary to the security of a free State , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms , shall not be infringed .
" Before it was clear that the U.S. would be able to support a permanent standing army , citizen militias were necessary to defend the nascent state from outside invaders ( i.e .
Great Britain ) .And four score and seven years later , when we actually did have a second revolution ( the Civil War ) , citizen militias were already obsolete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are clearly a retard, as are all the people who modded you insightful.The 2nd amendment:"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
"Before it was clear that the U.S. would be able to support a permanent standing army, citizen militias were necessary to defend the nascent state from outside invaders (i.e.
Great Britain).And four score and seven years later, when we actually did have a second revolution (the Civil War), citizen militias were already obsolete.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28334127</id>
	<title>Ha.  Interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245074880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the same Iranian administration that our shithead president wants to speak face to face with.  Yea.  Let me know how that works out for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the same Iranian administration that our shithead president wants to speak face to face with .
Yea. Let me know how that works out for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the same Iranian administration that our shithead president wants to speak face to face with.
Yea.  Let me know how that works out for you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</id>
	<title>Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>Sycraft-fu</author>
	<datestamp>1245009120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm afraid if you want change, it has to come from within. The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government, by force if necessary. Chatting about it on the net won't help, and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point. As with pretty much any real change in life, at has to come from within. If this really matters to the people of Iran, then they have the power to change it. You CAN overthrow a government, history has plenty of examples.</p><p>As for nuclear war, I wouldn't worry too much about that. The US isn't going to strike first, and Iran lacks the technology to deliver nuclear payloads to the US. Also, as a practical matter while Iranian leadership seems to be oppressive and such, they aren't insane. I'm sure they full and well understand what the US response to a nuclear attack would be, and nobody wants to be the ruler of a glass parking lot.</p><p>So I wouldn't worry about nuclear war, but I would worry about Iran becoming a whole lot more oppressive. If you are Iranian, the only real solution to that is to displace your government. Sorry, but that just seems to be the fact. They've made it quite clear they aren't interested in democratic change, and the president of the US isn't interested in starting another war that the military can't sustain, nor would the US population go along with it.</p><p>So if change matters, you'll have to do it yourselves, and yes it may be bloody. That or get out of the country, which is probably what I'd opt for. I'd like to think I could stand up and fight but realistically I'd just run away, I don't have the guts to be a revolutionary I think.</p><p>"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."<br>--Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers of the United States.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm afraid if you want change , it has to come from within .
The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government , by force if necessary .
Chatting about it on the net wo n't help , and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point .
As with pretty much any real change in life , at has to come from within .
If this really matters to the people of Iran , then they have the power to change it .
You CAN overthrow a government , history has plenty of examples.As for nuclear war , I would n't worry too much about that .
The US is n't going to strike first , and Iran lacks the technology to deliver nuclear payloads to the US .
Also , as a practical matter while Iranian leadership seems to be oppressive and such , they are n't insane .
I 'm sure they full and well understand what the US response to a nuclear attack would be , and nobody wants to be the ruler of a glass parking lot.So I would n't worry about nuclear war , but I would worry about Iran becoming a whole lot more oppressive .
If you are Iranian , the only real solution to that is to displace your government .
Sorry , but that just seems to be the fact .
They 've made it quite clear they are n't interested in democratic change , and the president of the US is n't interested in starting another war that the military ca n't sustain , nor would the US population go along with it.So if change matters , you 'll have to do it yourselves , and yes it may be bloody .
That or get out of the country , which is probably what I 'd opt for .
I 'd like to think I could stand up and fight but realistically I 'd just run away , I do n't have the guts to be a revolutionary I think .
" The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants .
" --Thomas Jefferson , one of the founding fathers of the United States .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm afraid if you want change, it has to come from within.
The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government, by force if necessary.
Chatting about it on the net won't help, and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point.
As with pretty much any real change in life, at has to come from within.
If this really matters to the people of Iran, then they have the power to change it.
You CAN overthrow a government, history has plenty of examples.As for nuclear war, I wouldn't worry too much about that.
The US isn't going to strike first, and Iran lacks the technology to deliver nuclear payloads to the US.
Also, as a practical matter while Iranian leadership seems to be oppressive and such, they aren't insane.
I'm sure they full and well understand what the US response to a nuclear attack would be, and nobody wants to be the ruler of a glass parking lot.So I wouldn't worry about nuclear war, but I would worry about Iran becoming a whole lot more oppressive.
If you are Iranian, the only real solution to that is to displace your government.
Sorry, but that just seems to be the fact.
They've made it quite clear they aren't interested in democratic change, and the president of the US isn't interested in starting another war that the military can't sustain, nor would the US population go along with it.So if change matters, you'll have to do it yourselves, and yes it may be bloody.
That or get out of the country, which is probably what I'd opt for.
I'd like to think I could stand up and fight but realistically I'd just run away, I don't have the guts to be a revolutionary I think.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
"--Thomas Jefferson, one of the founding fathers of the United States.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329171</id>
	<title>Re:Emergency networking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244973480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am Momen Abdullah<br>
&nbsp; Thank you very much</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am Momen Abdullah   Thank you very much</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am Momen Abdullah
  Thank you very much</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330231</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>powerlinekid</author>
	<datestamp>1244983860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>and the western media seems not to care all that much about the situation. </i></p><p>Hmm... lets check.</p><p>CNN.com... first 5 stories on front page are about Iran.<br>MSNBC.com... multiple stories including a video of protesters on front page.<br>FoxNews.com... multiple articles again on front page. Most seem to be about the shutdown of media.<br>ABCnews.go.com... again multiple articles on front page.<br>BBC.co.uk... I do not see anything on front page.</p><p>What this proves, I have no clue... but western media is definitely covering it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and the western media seems not to care all that much about the situation .
Hmm... lets check.CNN.com... first 5 stories on front page are about Iran.MSNBC.com... multiple stories including a video of protesters on front page.FoxNews.com... multiple articles again on front page .
Most seem to be about the shutdown of media.ABCnews.go.com... again multiple articles on front page.BBC.co.uk... I do not see anything on front page.What this proves , I have no clue... but western media is definitely covering it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and the western media seems not to care all that much about the situation.
Hmm... lets check.CNN.com... first 5 stories on front page are about Iran.MSNBC.com... multiple stories including a video of protesters on front page.FoxNews.com... multiple articles again on front page.
Most seem to be about the shutdown of media.ABCnews.go.com... again multiple articles on front page.BBC.co.uk... I do not see anything on front page.What this proves, I have no clue... but western media is definitely covering it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327969</id>
	<title>Re:HAM Radio</title>
	<author>K. S. Kyosuke</author>
	<datestamp>1245008700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And if you don't want to bother with obtaining a license (legal requirement in my country), you can use SPAM radio...uhm, I meant CB.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And if you do n't want to bother with obtaining a license ( legal requirement in my country ) , you can use SPAM radio...uhm , I meant CB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And if you don't want to bother with obtaining a license (legal requirement in my country), you can use SPAM radio...uhm, I meant CB.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28347961</id>
	<title>Iran Live Long</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245169260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>May IRAN Live Long<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>May IRAN Live Long : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>May IRAN Live Long :)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329127</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>Parthian</author>
	<datestamp>1244973240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Haha wow. You talk so much.

Let's see, the Shah was a brutal despot? Wow. Interesting. How exactly was he a brutal despot? The fact that he made the people of Iran smarter? Built roads, electric installations, water dams? Provided food for the people? Donated his own land to farmers to end feudalism. He made Iran's economy of the the best, he built the 5th strongest non-nuclear army.

<a href="http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/world/1111" title="thenewamerican.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/world/1111</a> [thenewamerican.com]

Read and learn. The Shah was not a despot, he was a patriot that loved his nation and wanted to stop YOU WESTERN PEOPLE from exploiting Iran's natural resources and it's people. He said he will NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES renew the 25 year old oil contract with the British in 1979, thus - you can see how he was overthrown by western powers.

US did not help anything. US hated the Shah.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Haha wow .
You talk so much .
Let 's see , the Shah was a brutal despot ?
Wow. Interesting .
How exactly was he a brutal despot ?
The fact that he made the people of Iran smarter ?
Built roads , electric installations , water dams ?
Provided food for the people ?
Donated his own land to farmers to end feudalism .
He made Iran 's economy of the the best , he built the 5th strongest non-nuclear army .
http : //www.thenewamerican.com/history/world/1111 [ thenewamerican.com ] Read and learn .
The Shah was not a despot , he was a patriot that loved his nation and wanted to stop YOU WESTERN PEOPLE from exploiting Iran 's natural resources and it 's people .
He said he will NEVER , UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES renew the 25 year old oil contract with the British in 1979 , thus - you can see how he was overthrown by western powers .
US did not help anything .
US hated the Shah .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Haha wow.
You talk so much.
Let's see, the Shah was a brutal despot?
Wow. Interesting.
How exactly was he a brutal despot?
The fact that he made the people of Iran smarter?
Built roads, electric installations, water dams?
Provided food for the people?
Donated his own land to farmers to end feudalism.
He made Iran's economy of the the best, he built the 5th strongest non-nuclear army.
http://www.thenewamerican.com/history/world/1111 [thenewamerican.com]

Read and learn.
The Shah was not a despot, he was a patriot that loved his nation and wanted to stop YOU WESTERN PEOPLE from exploiting Iran's natural resources and it's people.
He said he will NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES renew the 25 year old oil contract with the British in 1979, thus - you can see how he was overthrown by western powers.
US did not help anything.
US hated the Shah.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328439</id>
	<title>Revolution was tried</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1245012000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government, by force if necessary. </i>
</p><p>
Been there, done that. That's how we got the present situation. In 1979, Islamic militants overthrew the 2500 year old monarchy.  Before, they had an oppressive right-wing monarchy.
Now, they have an oppressive Islamic theocracy.
</p><p>
<i>But we both know they're all noise to cover the same ol' non-stop war for power between two kinds of creep, who keep reappearing in Mexican history under different names: the "charismatic guerrilla" leader like Villa and Zapata, who always turn into sleazy dictators once they get power, and the plain old rich landlord elite, who start out as sleazy dictators and so don't have to pretend they're anything else from the get-go. If you live anywhere in the tropics, let's face it: those are your choices, always have been and always will be. Don't blame me, I just work here.</i> - "Gary Bretcher", the "War Nerd".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government , by force if necessary .
Been there , done that .
That 's how we got the present situation .
In 1979 , Islamic militants overthrew the 2500 year old monarchy .
Before , they had an oppressive right-wing monarchy .
Now , they have an oppressive Islamic theocracy .
But we both know they 're all noise to cover the same ol ' non-stop war for power between two kinds of creep , who keep reappearing in Mexican history under different names : the " charismatic guerrilla " leader like Villa and Zapata , who always turn into sleazy dictators once they get power , and the plain old rich landlord elite , who start out as sleazy dictators and so do n't have to pretend they 're anything else from the get-go .
If you live anywhere in the tropics , let 's face it : those are your choices , always have been and always will be .
Do n't blame me , I just work here .
- " Gary Bretcher " , the " War Nerd " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government, by force if necessary.
Been there, done that.
That's how we got the present situation.
In 1979, Islamic militants overthrew the 2500 year old monarchy.
Before, they had an oppressive right-wing monarchy.
Now, they have an oppressive Islamic theocracy.
But we both know they're all noise to cover the same ol' non-stop war for power between two kinds of creep, who keep reappearing in Mexican history under different names: the "charismatic guerrilla" leader like Villa and Zapata, who always turn into sleazy dictators once they get power, and the plain old rich landlord elite, who start out as sleazy dictators and so don't have to pretend they're anything else from the get-go.
If you live anywhere in the tropics, let's face it: those are your choices, always have been and always will be.
Don't blame me, I just work here.
- "Gary Bretcher", the "War Nerd".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328057</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>antifoidulus</author>
	<datestamp>1245009360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Esp. considering Ahmadinejad came out and said that his opponent's safety "cannot be guaranteed".  When they threaten to kill any who oppose, how many options do you have?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Esp .
considering Ahmadinejad came out and said that his opponent 's safety " can not be guaranteed " .
When they threaten to kill any who oppose , how many options do you have ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Esp.
considering Ahmadinejad came out and said that his opponent's safety "cannot be guaranteed".
When they threaten to kill any who oppose, how many options do you have?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331315</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244995140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, they aren't.  They're mad because "Puppet A" lost to "Puppet B".  Both were put forth by the Muslim rulers who truly hold power in the country.  This is, for all intents and purposes, a shell game run by the Ayatollahs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , they are n't .
They 're mad because " Puppet A " lost to " Puppet B " .
Both were put forth by the Muslim rulers who truly hold power in the country .
This is , for all intents and purposes , a shell game run by the Ayatollahs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, they aren't.
They're mad because "Puppet A" lost to "Puppet B".
Both were put forth by the Muslim rulers who truly hold power in the country.
This is, for all intents and purposes, a shell game run by the Ayatollahs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331471</id>
	<title>Darknets?</title>
	<author>anarche</author>
	<datestamp>1244996520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Darknets guys<br> <br>http://msl1.mit.edu/ESD10/docs/darknet5.pdf<br>http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/the-new-version-of-p2p.ars<br>http://msl1.mit.edu/ESD10/docs/darknet5.pdf<br> <br>

They are cheap, easy to roll out and use existing infrastructure. Roll one out to pro-democracy reformers, get a collection of people's actual votes, if possible <i>on a signed petition</i> (e-sig should be fine) <i>then get that to the UN</i>. While you may not trust us, <b>the UN is watching this situation</b> and good luck.<br> <br>Love, Australia</htmltext>
<tokenext>Darknets guys http : //msl1.mit.edu/ESD10/docs/darknet5.pdfhttp : //arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/the-new-version-of-p2p.arshttp : //msl1.mit.edu/ESD10/docs/darknet5.pdf They are cheap , easy to roll out and use existing infrastructure .
Roll one out to pro-democracy reformers , get a collection of people 's actual votes , if possible on a signed petition ( e-sig should be fine ) then get that to the UN .
While you may not trust us , the UN is watching this situation and good luck .
Love , Australia</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Darknets guys http://msl1.mit.edu/ESD10/docs/darknet5.pdfhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/03/the-new-version-of-p2p.arshttp://msl1.mit.edu/ESD10/docs/darknet5.pdf 

They are cheap, easy to roll out and use existing infrastructure.
Roll one out to pro-democracy reformers, get a collection of people's actual votes, if possible on a signed petition (e-sig should be fine) then get that to the UN.
While you may not trust us, the UN is watching this situation and good luck.
Love, Australia</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330945</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>Trepidity</author>
	<datestamp>1244990940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are plenty of weapons that can be made out of household items, and western protestors have gotten very good at using them. I think the problem in Iran is that this is really a bunch of idealist students without a lot of planning and organization, not that Iran lacks a 2nd amendment that lets them carry handguns or whatever. Forget handguns; a bunch of molotov cocktails and improvised body armor would be sufficient.</p><p>Shooting actual guns is particularly problematic because it involves retaliation. Gray-area violence like molotov cocktails is more effective in many cases, because it can drive back the police without <em>quite</em> seeming to give enough provocation to allow them to shoot into crowds--- while if the crowd is shooting guns at them, all bets are off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are plenty of weapons that can be made out of household items , and western protestors have gotten very good at using them .
I think the problem in Iran is that this is really a bunch of idealist students without a lot of planning and organization , not that Iran lacks a 2nd amendment that lets them carry handguns or whatever .
Forget handguns ; a bunch of molotov cocktails and improvised body armor would be sufficient.Shooting actual guns is particularly problematic because it involves retaliation .
Gray-area violence like molotov cocktails is more effective in many cases , because it can drive back the police without quite seeming to give enough provocation to allow them to shoot into crowds--- while if the crowd is shooting guns at them , all bets are off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are plenty of weapons that can be made out of household items, and western protestors have gotten very good at using them.
I think the problem in Iran is that this is really a bunch of idealist students without a lot of planning and organization, not that Iran lacks a 2nd amendment that lets them carry handguns or whatever.
Forget handguns; a bunch of molotov cocktails and improvised body armor would be sufficient.Shooting actual guns is particularly problematic because it involves retaliation.
Gray-area violence like molotov cocktails is more effective in many cases, because it can drive back the police without quite seeming to give enough provocation to allow them to shoot into crowds--- while if the crowd is shooting guns at them, all bets are off.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328279</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28350269</id>
	<title>Re:Khamenei knows what he's doing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245177300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In America, we call this a Mandate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In America , we call this a Mandate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In America, we call this a Mandate.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327885</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329377</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1244975040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the suffering is unbearable, you will support anyone who offers to rid you off it. It's not the first time that a tyrannic regime was replaced, after a revolution, by a regime that's in no way better. The French Revolution led to the tyranny of Robbespiere and his cronies. The Russian Revolution led to the Soviet regime. Likewise, the Iranian Revolution led to the "islam democracy" they got today.</p><p>What these revolutions have in common, btw, is that the military didn't want to prop up the old regime anymore. Just a hint where to put the lever...</p><p>Then again, the revolution history shows that you rarely get anything from a revolution that's worth getting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the suffering is unbearable , you will support anyone who offers to rid you off it .
It 's not the first time that a tyrannic regime was replaced , after a revolution , by a regime that 's in no way better .
The French Revolution led to the tyranny of Robbespiere and his cronies .
The Russian Revolution led to the Soviet regime .
Likewise , the Iranian Revolution led to the " islam democracy " they got today.What these revolutions have in common , btw , is that the military did n't want to prop up the old regime anymore .
Just a hint where to put the lever...Then again , the revolution history shows that you rarely get anything from a revolution that 's worth getting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the suffering is unbearable, you will support anyone who offers to rid you off it.
It's not the first time that a tyrannic regime was replaced, after a revolution, by a regime that's in no way better.
The French Revolution led to the tyranny of Robbespiere and his cronies.
The Russian Revolution led to the Soviet regime.
Likewise, the Iranian Revolution led to the "islam democracy" they got today.What these revolutions have in common, btw, is that the military didn't want to prop up the old regime anymore.
Just a hint where to put the lever...Then again, the revolution history shows that you rarely get anything from a revolution that's worth getting.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328395</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329997</id>
	<title>Slashdot crowd is so stupid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244981580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Slashdot crowd are so stupid with Regards to this Event.</p><p>I never imagined that you could be so stupid to believe the Zionist / US / British Propaganda about Iran.</p><p>Well maybe I am of a Older generation kind.</p><p>Time to stop reading Slashdot, it's only trash nowadays.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Slashdot crowd are so stupid with Regards to this Event.I never imagined that you could be so stupid to believe the Zionist / US / British Propaganda about Iran.Well maybe I am of a Older generation kind.Time to stop reading Slashdot , it 's only trash nowadays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Slashdot crowd are so stupid with Regards to this Event.I never imagined that you could be so stupid to believe the Zionist / US / British Propaganda about Iran.Well maybe I am of a Older generation kind.Time to stop reading Slashdot, it's only trash nowadays.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327805</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329611</id>
	<title>Re:Khamenei knows what he's doing</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1244977560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It could also be a matter of mandate. When you have over 60\% of the vote in a single round, you can claim that you truly represent the will of the majority, without any reservations. We've seen the same in Russia, where the last two presidential elections (one for Putin, one for Medvedev) seen similarly high levels of electoral fraud to prop the vote up above 70\%, for just that reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It could also be a matter of mandate .
When you have over 60 \ % of the vote in a single round , you can claim that you truly represent the will of the majority , without any reservations .
We 've seen the same in Russia , where the last two presidential elections ( one for Putin , one for Medvedev ) seen similarly high levels of electoral fraud to prop the vote up above 70 \ % , for just that reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It could also be a matter of mandate.
When you have over 60\% of the vote in a single round, you can claim that you truly represent the will of the majority, without any reservations.
We've seen the same in Russia, where the last two presidential elections (one for Putin, one for Medvedev) seen similarly high levels of electoral fraud to prop the vote up above 70\%, for just that reason.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327885</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327811</id>
	<title>Calling all techy lefties &amp; righties!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245007500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Regardless of your political leanings, this is an opportunity to help out some folks in a country that is crying for help!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Regardless of your political leanings , this is an opportunity to help out some folks in a country that is crying for help !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regardless of your political leanings, this is an opportunity to help out some folks in a country that is crying for help!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28335273</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>Überhund</author>
	<datestamp>1245081240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>But unless anyone is expecting Ahmadinejad to admit that he cheated, no solid official evidence is going to show up.</p></div><p>Ahmadinejad's problem is that this was a big operation, and he had many helpers.  If any of the helpers admit to cheating, evidence could show up.  Plus, there were other witnesses.  I've already seen reports of Ahmadinejad's people burning ballot boxes.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But unless anyone is expecting Ahmadinejad to admit that he cheated , no solid official evidence is going to show up.Ahmadinejad 's problem is that this was a big operation , and he had many helpers .
If any of the helpers admit to cheating , evidence could show up .
Plus , there were other witnesses .
I 've already seen reports of Ahmadinejad 's people burning ballot boxes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But unless anyone is expecting Ahmadinejad to admit that he cheated, no solid official evidence is going to show up.Ahmadinejad's problem is that this was a big operation, and he had many helpers.
If any of the helpers admit to cheating, evidence could show up.
Plus, there were other witnesses.
I've already seen reports of Ahmadinejad's people burning ballot boxes.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327891</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331595</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>vaporland</author>
	<datestamp>1244997600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"As for nuclear war, I wouldn't worry too much about that. The US isn't going to strike first, and Iran lacks the technology to deliver nuclear payloads to the US."</p></div></blockquote><p>I would argue that a 40 foot shipping container with a warhead hooked to a GPS is pretty good payload delivery technology, and well within their means . . .</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" As for nuclear war , I would n't worry too much about that .
The US is n't going to strike first , and Iran lacks the technology to deliver nuclear payloads to the US .
" I would argue that a 40 foot shipping container with a warhead hooked to a GPS is pretty good payload delivery technology , and well within their means .
. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"As for nuclear war, I wouldn't worry too much about that.
The US isn't going to strike first, and Iran lacks the technology to deliver nuclear payloads to the US.
"I would argue that a 40 foot shipping container with a warhead hooked to a GPS is pretty good payload delivery technology, and well within their means .
. .
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327903</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>North Korea  (and several african states)</p><p>---</p><p>It is possible to keep a dictatorship your entire life despite the will of the people.</p><p>You just have to be willing to be brutal enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>North Korea ( and several african states ) ---It is possible to keep a dictatorship your entire life despite the will of the people.You just have to be willing to be brutal enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>North Korea  (and several african states)---It is possible to keep a dictatorship your entire life despite the will of the people.You just have to be willing to be brutal enough.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327805</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28333535</id>
	<title>Re:Really pointless until...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245068400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"What would politics be like in this country if all the candidates were hand-picked by televangelists?"</p><p>You'd have people like George Bush and Sarah Palin running for president or vice president.</p><p>Oh wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" What would politics be like in this country if all the candidates were hand-picked by televangelists ?
" You 'd have people like George Bush and Sarah Palin running for president or vice president.Oh wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What would politics be like in this country if all the candidates were hand-picked by televangelists?
"You'd have people like George Bush and Sarah Palin running for president or vice president.Oh wait...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328249</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330451</id>
	<title>Dear Alex Jones/911 Truth Movement/RonPaulites.</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1244986200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what Tyranny looks like, not whether or not Ron Paul gets laughed at or if your movement is heckled because you guys chose, "Teabagging" as your rallying cry.</p><p>This is real tyranny.  Not being mocked endlessly because your candidate of choice is hopelessly and helplessly trapped in the 1880's.</p><p>Grow up and stop polluting the Internet.</p><p>As for what we, the typical freedom loving west should do?  If you've got the means, set up proxies.  Make sure that Iranian dissidents can get their word out to the world.  If you don't, pressure the Obama administration to look into the Iranian crackdown.  The real story here isn't whether or not the election was dirty, the real story is the cover up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what Tyranny looks like , not whether or not Ron Paul gets laughed at or if your movement is heckled because you guys chose , " Teabagging " as your rallying cry.This is real tyranny .
Not being mocked endlessly because your candidate of choice is hopelessly and helplessly trapped in the 1880 's.Grow up and stop polluting the Internet.As for what we , the typical freedom loving west should do ?
If you 've got the means , set up proxies .
Make sure that Iranian dissidents can get their word out to the world .
If you do n't , pressure the Obama administration to look into the Iranian crackdown .
The real story here is n't whether or not the election was dirty , the real story is the cover up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what Tyranny looks like, not whether or not Ron Paul gets laughed at or if your movement is heckled because you guys chose, "Teabagging" as your rallying cry.This is real tyranny.
Not being mocked endlessly because your candidate of choice is hopelessly and helplessly trapped in the 1880's.Grow up and stop polluting the Internet.As for what we, the typical freedom loving west should do?
If you've got the means, set up proxies.
Make sure that Iranian dissidents can get their word out to the world.
If you don't, pressure the Obama administration to look into the Iranian crackdown.
The real story here isn't whether or not the election was dirty, the real story is the cover up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330805</id>
	<title>Re:Nuclear War?</title>
	<author>Max Littlemore</author>
	<datestamp>1244989380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the US went in with nukes every time an election was stolen, it would have self destructed around the turn of the century.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the US went in with nukes every time an election was stolen , it would have self destructed around the turn of the century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the US went in with nukes every time an election was stolen, it would have self destructed around the turn of the century.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328071</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328611</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245013080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, what you're saying is:</p><p>The Iranians wanted a good, stable OS but the Dell threw Windows XP onto their box.  So they nuked the partition and installed Vista.</p><p>The Iranians can't blame Dell, err, the American anymore if it's unstable.</p><p>Except with cars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , what you 're saying is : The Iranians wanted a good , stable OS but the Dell threw Windows XP onto their box .
So they nuked the partition and installed Vista.The Iranians ca n't blame Dell , err , the American anymore if it 's unstable.Except with cars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, what you're saying is:The Iranians wanted a good, stable OS but the Dell threw Windows XP onto their box.
So they nuked the partition and installed Vista.The Iranians can't blame Dell, err, the American anymore if it's unstable.Except with cars.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329143</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244973360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>can you proof anything you said, you throw around with big numbers - link or gtfo</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>can you proof anything you said , you throw around with big numbers - link or gtfo</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can you proof anything you said, you throw around with big numbers - link or gtfo</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327891</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327927</id>
	<title>Proxy volunteers?</title>
	<author>gibbsjoh</author>
	<datestamp>1245008340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Surely there's other<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.'ers out there willing to set up a proxy with Squid or something?</p><p>Let me know if this would be helpful and I will.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely there 's other / .
'ers out there willing to set up a proxy with Squid or something ? Let me know if this would be helpful and I will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely there's other /.
'ers out there willing to set up a proxy with Squid or something?Let me know if this would be helpful and I will.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330217</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>Clandestine\_Blaze</author>
	<datestamp>1244983740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking as an Iranian, this is the best thing that could have happened to Iran in a long time. This actually got people into the streets. We're actually seeing T.V. footage from Iran, and there was one incident where four or five riot police officers were beating a protester with their batons. Suddenly, the police all dropped their batons and started running. To the left of your screen, you see about 100-200 ANGRY, PISSED OFF rioters rushing the police. This isn't civil disobedience - this is something that needed to happen for a long time.</p><p>In many countries, if you don't like something, you vote. Usually, you'll get a politician with similar goals and values such as yourself who will try to enact legislation to further them. In the case of a democratic country, rioting when something doesn't go your way is stupid. In Iran, the people are oppressed and have been treated like shit for decades. The people get a "choice" of candidates that are hand-picked by powerful, religious clerics who make sure to maintain the status quo. Peaceful protests led to brutal crackdowns where people would either disappear or would be killed on sight. Violent protests, such as the ones that we are witnessing in Iran right now, is the only choice left for a desperate population. You can only hit rock bottom before you go back up. They were at their peak when they had Mossadegh as Prime Minister, and things gradually became worse with the Shah and then the Islamic Revolution. After 30+ years of this regime, many in Iran would take the Shah back in a heartbeat. That's how bad things have been.</p><p>This current regime will not last. They ensured their own demise by cheating the system, and now they're going to be taken down. Had they simply allowed Musavi to win, these riots would never have occurred and the powerful clergy would have simply allowed Musavi the role of the President, but would have denied every attempt at reform as they did when Mohammad Khatami was President.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking as an Iranian , this is the best thing that could have happened to Iran in a long time .
This actually got people into the streets .
We 're actually seeing T.V .
footage from Iran , and there was one incident where four or five riot police officers were beating a protester with their batons .
Suddenly , the police all dropped their batons and started running .
To the left of your screen , you see about 100-200 ANGRY , PISSED OFF rioters rushing the police .
This is n't civil disobedience - this is something that needed to happen for a long time.In many countries , if you do n't like something , you vote .
Usually , you 'll get a politician with similar goals and values such as yourself who will try to enact legislation to further them .
In the case of a democratic country , rioting when something does n't go your way is stupid .
In Iran , the people are oppressed and have been treated like shit for decades .
The people get a " choice " of candidates that are hand-picked by powerful , religious clerics who make sure to maintain the status quo .
Peaceful protests led to brutal crackdowns where people would either disappear or would be killed on sight .
Violent protests , such as the ones that we are witnessing in Iran right now , is the only choice left for a desperate population .
You can only hit rock bottom before you go back up .
They were at their peak when they had Mossadegh as Prime Minister , and things gradually became worse with the Shah and then the Islamic Revolution .
After 30 + years of this regime , many in Iran would take the Shah back in a heartbeat .
That 's how bad things have been.This current regime will not last .
They ensured their own demise by cheating the system , and now they 're going to be taken down .
Had they simply allowed Musavi to win , these riots would never have occurred and the powerful clergy would have simply allowed Musavi the role of the President , but would have denied every attempt at reform as they did when Mohammad Khatami was President .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking as an Iranian, this is the best thing that could have happened to Iran in a long time.
This actually got people into the streets.
We're actually seeing T.V.
footage from Iran, and there was one incident where four or five riot police officers were beating a protester with their batons.
Suddenly, the police all dropped their batons and started running.
To the left of your screen, you see about 100-200 ANGRY, PISSED OFF rioters rushing the police.
This isn't civil disobedience - this is something that needed to happen for a long time.In many countries, if you don't like something, you vote.
Usually, you'll get a politician with similar goals and values such as yourself who will try to enact legislation to further them.
In the case of a democratic country, rioting when something doesn't go your way is stupid.
In Iran, the people are oppressed and have been treated like shit for decades.
The people get a "choice" of candidates that are hand-picked by powerful, religious clerics who make sure to maintain the status quo.
Peaceful protests led to brutal crackdowns where people would either disappear or would be killed on sight.
Violent protests, such as the ones that we are witnessing in Iran right now, is the only choice left for a desperate population.
You can only hit rock bottom before you go back up.
They were at their peak when they had Mossadegh as Prime Minister, and things gradually became worse with the Shah and then the Islamic Revolution.
After 30+ years of this regime, many in Iran would take the Shah back in a heartbeat.
That's how bad things have been.This current regime will not last.
They ensured their own demise by cheating the system, and now they're going to be taken down.
Had they simply allowed Musavi to win, these riots would never have occurred and the powerful clergy would have simply allowed Musavi the role of the President, but would have denied every attempt at reform as they did when Mohammad Khatami was President.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327913</id>
	<title>Election fraud or not?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it an attempt to silence rightful opposition to a fixed election or is it riot control to restore the peace after a democratic election? I mean, are there reports of election fraud or are we just unhappy with the result?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it an attempt to silence rightful opposition to a fixed election or is it riot control to restore the peace after a democratic election ?
I mean , are there reports of election fraud or are we just unhappy with the result ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it an attempt to silence rightful opposition to a fixed election or is it riot control to restore the peace after a democratic election?
I mean, are there reports of election fraud or are we just unhappy with the result?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328015</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>JustOK</author>
	<datestamp>1245009000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>thought it had something to do with shovels.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>thought it had something to do with shovels .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>thought it had something to do with shovels.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329291</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1244974320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"As for nuclear war, I wouldn't worry too much about that."</p><p>Two points.</p><p>Prior to 9/11/01 no one would have thought that some religious zealots could have brought down the WTC.  After all, they had already tried, and failed miserably, once already.  Maybe Iran can deliver a warhead, maybe they can't, but it isn't really safe to assume that they can not.</p><p>Also.</p><p>Consider collusion between Kim Jong Il's government and Iran's government.  N. Korea exports a lot of technology to the mideast.  The same technology he imports from China.  Some of which was sold to China by treasonous bastards like Bill Clinton.</p><p>While Bush was mostly full of crap with his "axis of evil" rants, there are some threads of truth to what he said.</p><p>Bottom line, IMHO, it's dangerous to dismiss the possibility of nuclear (or at least atomic) weapons out of hand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" As for nuclear war , I would n't worry too much about that .
" Two points.Prior to 9/11/01 no one would have thought that some religious zealots could have brought down the WTC .
After all , they had already tried , and failed miserably , once already .
Maybe Iran can deliver a warhead , maybe they ca n't , but it is n't really safe to assume that they can not.Also.Consider collusion between Kim Jong Il 's government and Iran 's government .
N. Korea exports a lot of technology to the mideast .
The same technology he imports from China .
Some of which was sold to China by treasonous bastards like Bill Clinton.While Bush was mostly full of crap with his " axis of evil " rants , there are some threads of truth to what he said.Bottom line , IMHO , it 's dangerous to dismiss the possibility of nuclear ( or at least atomic ) weapons out of hand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"As for nuclear war, I wouldn't worry too much about that.
"Two points.Prior to 9/11/01 no one would have thought that some religious zealots could have brought down the WTC.
After all, they had already tried, and failed miserably, once already.
Maybe Iran can deliver a warhead, maybe they can't, but it isn't really safe to assume that they can not.Also.Consider collusion between Kim Jong Il's government and Iran's government.
N. Korea exports a lot of technology to the mideast.
The same technology he imports from China.
Some of which was sold to China by treasonous bastards like Bill Clinton.While Bush was mostly full of crap with his "axis of evil" rants, there are some threads of truth to what he said.Bottom line, IMHO, it's dangerous to dismiss the possibility of nuclear (or at least atomic) weapons out of hand.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327995</id>
	<title>But seriously</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>On the third hand, it is time we start looking at opening up governance; getting rid of the systems which allow this sort of bullshit to happen. You can't steal an election if there are no elections and no leaders: <a href="http://metagovernment.org/wiki/Main\_Page" title="metagovernment.org" rel="nofollow">http://metagovernment.org/wiki/Main\_Page</a> [metagovernment.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>On the third hand , it is time we start looking at opening up governance ; getting rid of the systems which allow this sort of bullshit to happen .
You ca n't steal an election if there are no elections and no leaders : http : //metagovernment.org/wiki/Main \ _Page [ metagovernment.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the third hand, it is time we start looking at opening up governance; getting rid of the systems which allow this sort of bullshit to happen.
You can't steal an election if there are no elections and no leaders: http://metagovernment.org/wiki/Main\_Page [metagovernment.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330133</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>neonsignal</author>
	<datestamp>1244983080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>&gt; The US isn't going to strike first</i>
</p><p>
Yeah, the US would be the last country in the world to drop an atom bomb on a city...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The US is n't going to strike first Yeah , the US would be the last country in the world to drop an atom bomb on a city.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
&gt; The US isn't going to strike first

Yeah, the US would be the last country in the world to drop an atom bomb on a city...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328163</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>AaxelB</author>
	<datestamp>1245009900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government, they can do it themselves.</p></div><p>Dude, pay attention, <i>that's what they're doing</i>. There's a huge difference between us invading Iraq to unseat Saddam and the Iranians standing up to overturn a massively corrupt election. The Iranian people are pissed, and this is their first step toward something less like a dictatorship. <br> <br>Nobody is calling for substantial outside help (that I've heard of), like asking us to invade Iran to help a revolution. The "left" has nothing to do with this, and the western media seems not to care all that much about the situation. Even the guy who sent the Ask Slashdot only wanted advice on communicating with others! <br> <br>Regardless of what happens, this whole shebang was started and led entirely by Iranians who are upset with their government, and they're not looking for some foreign power to send in the cavalry, which I have to respect.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government , they can do it themselves.Dude , pay attention , that 's what they 're doing .
There 's a huge difference between us invading Iraq to unseat Saddam and the Iranians standing up to overturn a massively corrupt election .
The Iranian people are pissed , and this is their first step toward something less like a dictatorship .
Nobody is calling for substantial outside help ( that I 've heard of ) , like asking us to invade Iran to help a revolution .
The " left " has nothing to do with this , and the western media seems not to care all that much about the situation .
Even the guy who sent the Ask Slashdot only wanted advice on communicating with others !
Regardless of what happens , this whole shebang was started and led entirely by Iranians who are upset with their government , and they 're not looking for some foreign power to send in the cavalry , which I have to respect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government, they can do it themselves.Dude, pay attention, that's what they're doing.
There's a huge difference between us invading Iraq to unseat Saddam and the Iranians standing up to overturn a massively corrupt election.
The Iranian people are pissed, and this is their first step toward something less like a dictatorship.
Nobody is calling for substantial outside help (that I've heard of), like asking us to invade Iran to help a revolution.
The "left" has nothing to do with this, and the western media seems not to care all that much about the situation.
Even the guy who sent the Ask Slashdot only wanted advice on communicating with others!
Regardless of what happens, this whole shebang was started and led entirely by Iranians who are upset with their government, and they're not looking for some foreign power to send in the cavalry, which I have to respect.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329109</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244973120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess you never read George Orwell's "Animal Farm" have you?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess you never read George Orwell 's " Animal Farm " have you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess you never read George Orwell's "Animal Farm" have you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330485</id>
	<title>then Founding fathers overvalued handguns/rifles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244986440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah...Good luck on that "2nd NRA Patriot Revolution" armed with Glocks and a few AK-47 against Apache gunships and Predator drones.</p><p>That's gonna go real well. Where do you want your bloody smear buried after your remains have been squeegeed up?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah...Good luck on that " 2nd NRA Patriot Revolution " armed with Glocks and a few AK-47 against Apache gunships and Predator drones.That 's gon na go real well .
Where do you want your bloody smear buried after your remains have been squeegeed up ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah...Good luck on that "2nd NRA Patriot Revolution" armed with Glocks and a few AK-47 against Apache gunships and Predator drones.That's gonna go real well.
Where do you want your bloody smear buried after your remains have been squeegeed up?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28338393</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245095040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;The US isn't going to strike first</p><p>Israel however might, and of course that would drag the US in unfortunately on Israel's side.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The US is n't going to strike firstIsrael however might , and of course that would drag the US in unfortunately on Israel 's side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;The US isn't going to strike firstIsrael however might, and of course that would drag the US in unfortunately on Israel's side.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28349195</id>
	<title>To Original Poster: Possible Solution</title>
	<author>milimetric</author>
	<datestamp>1245173880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey, here's a seemingly simple answer.  Check out Opera Unite:</p><p><a href="http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-opera-unite/" title="opera.com">http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-opera-unite/</a> [opera.com]</p><p>From what I understand, it basically runs a web server when you run Opera.  One of the applications is a chat app.  So anyone in Iran that's trying to organize could potentially use this.  It is alpha quality so maybe save the chat pages locally from time to time.  I have yet to try it, but it might just work.  Good luck!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , here 's a seemingly simple answer .
Check out Opera Unite : http : //dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-opera-unite/ [ opera.com ] From what I understand , it basically runs a web server when you run Opera .
One of the applications is a chat app .
So anyone in Iran that 's trying to organize could potentially use this .
It is alpha quality so maybe save the chat pages locally from time to time .
I have yet to try it , but it might just work .
Good luck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, here's a seemingly simple answer.
Check out Opera Unite:http://dev.opera.com/articles/view/an-introduction-to-opera-unite/ [opera.com]From what I understand, it basically runs a web server when you run Opera.
One of the applications is a chat app.
So anyone in Iran that's trying to organize could potentially use this.
It is alpha quality so maybe save the chat pages locally from time to time.
I have yet to try it, but it might just work.
Good luck!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327937</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even Ghandi recognized the power of violence. He once said that the best kind of person to lead in his non-violent revolution was a person who had served in the military or police. You see, he recognized that even though violence was a solution, there were other ways for him to achieve his goals. He never said violence should not be used; Only that it should be a last resort. Iranians <b>have</b> tried the path of peace, the problem here is: You can never get a person who thinks he has god on his side to believe he is wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even Ghandi recognized the power of violence .
He once said that the best kind of person to lead in his non-violent revolution was a person who had served in the military or police .
You see , he recognized that even though violence was a solution , there were other ways for him to achieve his goals .
He never said violence should not be used ; Only that it should be a last resort .
Iranians have tried the path of peace , the problem here is : You can never get a person who thinks he has god on his side to believe he is wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even Ghandi recognized the power of violence.
He once said that the best kind of person to lead in his non-violent revolution was a person who had served in the military or police.
You see, he recognized that even though violence was a solution, there were other ways for him to achieve his goals.
He never said violence should not be used; Only that it should be a last resort.
Iranians have tried the path of peace, the problem here is: You can never get a person who thinks he has god on his side to believe he is wrong.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328875</id>
	<title>Re:Calling all techy lefties &amp; righties!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244971620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, this is an opportunity to find out that:<br> <br>

1. Most "nerds" on this site don't know shit, and<br>
2. anyone who honestly thinks people in Iran could possibly, in the most wild far-fetched fantasies, set up an ad-hoc network and successfully use it to communicate to some useful end, within the next few days, is a complete god damned idiot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , this is an opportunity to find out that : 1 .
Most " nerds " on this site do n't know shit , and 2. anyone who honestly thinks people in Iran could possibly , in the most wild far-fetched fantasies , set up an ad-hoc network and successfully use it to communicate to some useful end , within the next few days , is a complete god damned idiot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, this is an opportunity to find out that: 

1.
Most "nerds" on this site don't know shit, and
2. anyone who honestly thinks people in Iran could possibly, in the most wild far-fetched fantasies, set up an ad-hoc network and successfully use it to communicate to some useful end, within the next few days, is a complete god damned idiot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327811</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329003</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244972460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Except with the fact that the Iranians did actually overthrow the brutal despot that the US helped establish, and replaced him with what we see today?</p><p>AFAIK, the Iranians already had their chance to end tyranny and establish a democracy... but instead, they chose tyranny by different hands.</p></div><p>Of course that is a VAST over simplification.</p><p>If we include a little more detail it becomes far less clear-cut.  For example, what happened was that the democratic reformers joined forces with the religious radicals because as separate groups they did not have enough power to overthrow the brutal despot.  By now, through our own experiences, we (the US) ought to know that the philosophy of "Mine enemy's enemy is my friend" rarely works out in the long run.  The democratic reformers in Iran, those of whom are still left alive, have learned that lesson too.</p><p>So after the revolution, the literally cut-throat religious radicals get the better of the democratic reformers and the country ends up trading one brutal regime for another.  That's far from the country choosing tyranny in any sort of representation of the people's will.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except with the fact that the Iranians did actually overthrow the brutal despot that the US helped establish , and replaced him with what we see today ? AFAIK , the Iranians already had their chance to end tyranny and establish a democracy... but instead , they chose tyranny by different hands.Of course that is a VAST over simplification.If we include a little more detail it becomes far less clear-cut .
For example , what happened was that the democratic reformers joined forces with the religious radicals because as separate groups they did not have enough power to overthrow the brutal despot .
By now , through our own experiences , we ( the US ) ought to know that the philosophy of " Mine enemy 's enemy is my friend " rarely works out in the long run .
The democratic reformers in Iran , those of whom are still left alive , have learned that lesson too.So after the revolution , the literally cut-throat religious radicals get the better of the democratic reformers and the country ends up trading one brutal regime for another .
That 's far from the country choosing tyranny in any sort of representation of the people 's will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except with the fact that the Iranians did actually overthrow the brutal despot that the US helped establish, and replaced him with what we see today?AFAIK, the Iranians already had their chance to end tyranny and establish a democracy... but instead, they chose tyranny by different hands.Of course that is a VAST over simplification.If we include a little more detail it becomes far less clear-cut.
For example, what happened was that the democratic reformers joined forces with the religious radicals because as separate groups they did not have enough power to overthrow the brutal despot.
By now, through our own experiences, we (the US) ought to know that the philosophy of "Mine enemy's enemy is my friend" rarely works out in the long run.
The democratic reformers in Iran, those of whom are still left alive, have learned that lesson too.So after the revolution, the literally cut-throat religious radicals get the better of the democratic reformers and the country ends up trading one brutal regime for another.
That's far from the country choosing tyranny in any sort of representation of the people's will.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28334099</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1245074640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Was the first sentence supposed to be a statement or a question?  It's marked as a question, but has the wording of a statement.</p><p>---</p><p>Back to the subject:</p><p>If it was wrong to overthrow Saddam it would be just as wrong to overthrow Amadinotgonnaworkheremuchlonger.  Unless having a Democrat president makes regime change OK for some magical reason.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/voted for Obama<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//wants us to help<nobr> <wbr></nobr>///mutters something about tyrants and pretense</p><p>i would argue that Saddam was worse to his own people and his neighbors than Iran's gov't has been.  Iran's gov't is brutally repressive, but i doubt there are mass graves holding about a million dissidents.  Iran didn't gas their Kurds, AFAIK.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/former USAF intel analyst who studied Iran, Iraq and North Korea intently for 4 years with a TS/SCI clearance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was the first sentence supposed to be a statement or a question ?
It 's marked as a question , but has the wording of a statement.---Back to the subject : If it was wrong to overthrow Saddam it would be just as wrong to overthrow Amadinotgonnaworkheremuchlonger .
Unless having a Democrat president makes regime change OK for some magical reason .
/voted for Obama //wants us to help ///mutters something about tyrants and pretensei would argue that Saddam was worse to his own people and his neighbors than Iran 's gov't has been .
Iran 's gov't is brutally repressive , but i doubt there are mass graves holding about a million dissidents .
Iran did n't gas their Kurds , AFAIK .
/former USAF intel analyst who studied Iran , Iraq and North Korea intently for 4 years with a TS/SCI clearance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was the first sentence supposed to be a statement or a question?
It's marked as a question, but has the wording of a statement.---Back to the subject:If it was wrong to overthrow Saddam it would be just as wrong to overthrow Amadinotgonnaworkheremuchlonger.
Unless having a Democrat president makes regime change OK for some magical reason.
/voted for Obama //wants us to help ///mutters something about tyrants and pretensei would argue that Saddam was worse to his own people and his neighbors than Iran's gov't has been.
Iran's gov't is brutally repressive, but i doubt there are mass graves holding about a million dissidents.
Iran didn't gas their Kurds, AFAIK.
/former USAF intel analyst who studied Iran, Iraq and North Korea intently for 4 years with a TS/SCI clearance.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328117</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245009720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Historically, conservatives have always lost when turnout goes above a certain number; around 60\% participation. This time participation was 80+ and they won, by a landslide. There's simply no logical explanation.</p><p>Where are you getting your information? Ahmadinejad only received 64\% of the vote.</p><p>Another interesting thing I'm seeing: supporters of Ahmadinejad describe themselves as anti-Bush. Bush is gone, but his unpopularity is continuing to influence other countries in a manner most of you see as negative. You only have yourselves to thank.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Historically , conservatives have always lost when turnout goes above a certain number ; around 60 \ % participation .
This time participation was 80 + and they won , by a landslide .
There 's simply no logical explanation.Where are you getting your information ?
Ahmadinejad only received 64 \ % of the vote.Another interesting thing I 'm seeing : supporters of Ahmadinejad describe themselves as anti-Bush .
Bush is gone , but his unpopularity is continuing to influence other countries in a manner most of you see as negative .
You only have yourselves to thank .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Historically, conservatives have always lost when turnout goes above a certain number; around 60\% participation.
This time participation was 80+ and they won, by a landslide.
There's simply no logical explanation.Where are you getting your information?
Ahmadinejad only received 64\% of the vote.Another interesting thing I'm seeing: supporters of Ahmadinejad describe themselves as anti-Bush.
Bush is gone, but his unpopularity is continuing to influence other countries in a manner most of you see as negative.
You only have yourselves to thank.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328565</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>OzPeter</author>
	<datestamp>1245012780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That was only because the only opening allowed to them was a bunch of strongly theocratic radicals hell bent on purging out the previous regime.  Not a recipe for happy families.  In this case you can't rely on the elephants freezing to death in the winter.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That was only because the only opening allowed to them was a bunch of strongly theocratic radicals hell bent on purging out the previous regime .
Not a recipe for happy families .
In this case you ca n't rely on the elephants freezing to death in the winter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was only because the only opening allowed to them was a bunch of strongly theocratic radicals hell bent on purging out the previous regime.
Not a recipe for happy families.
In this case you can't rely on the elephants freezing to death in the winter.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328405</id>
	<title>Re:Fox News only true source of news these days</title>
	<author>artor3</author>
	<datestamp>1245011760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Already refuted, here:</p><p><a href="http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/statistical-evidence-does-not-prove.html" title="fivethirtyeight.com">http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/statistical-evidence-does-not-prove.html</a> [fivethirtyeight.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Already refuted , here : http : //www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/statistical-evidence-does-not-prove.html [ fivethirtyeight.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Already refuted, here:http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/06/statistical-evidence-does-not-prove.html [fivethirtyeight.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330571</id>
	<title>So, are the EC-130's flying...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244987280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...rebroadcasting the BBC &amp; CNN over the Iranian jamming?  If not, they should be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...rebroadcasting the BBC &amp; CNN over the Iranian jamming ?
If not , they should be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...rebroadcasting the BBC &amp; CNN over the Iranian jamming?
If not, they should be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328395</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>kusanagi374</author>
	<datestamp>1245011700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except with the fact that the Iranians did actually overthrow the brutal despot that the US helped establish, and replaced him with what we see today?</p><p>AFAIK, the Iranians already had their chance to end tyranny and establish a democracy... but instead, they chose tyranny by different hands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except with the fact that the Iranians did actually overthrow the brutal despot that the US helped establish , and replaced him with what we see today ? AFAIK , the Iranians already had their chance to end tyranny and establish a democracy... but instead , they chose tyranny by different hands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except with the fact that the Iranians did actually overthrow the brutal despot that the US helped establish, and replaced him with what we see today?AFAIK, the Iranians already had their chance to end tyranny and establish a democracy... but instead, they chose tyranny by different hands.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329701</id>
	<title>Re:The Ugly Side of Truth</title>
	<author>angel'o'sphere</author>
	<datestamp>1244978400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i><br>AFAIK, the Iranians already had their chance to end tyranny and establish a democracy... but instead, they chose tyranny by different hands.<br></i></p><p>Since when do "The People" have a choice?<br>The one who graps the power after an overthrow or revolution is the one "ruling" and "The People" are the one that get either ruled or extinguished. Democracy does not come over night. All democracies (or more correctly republics as most nations are <b>not</b> a democracy) we have in our days evolved over decades if not over centuries.<br>Since when may women vote in the USA, since when in Switzerland? Since when may black people vote in USA?</p><p>You really want to blame "The People" if a dictator with a suppression machine is gaining the power and suppresses "The People"? Rofl<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... you are not very insightful.</p><p>angel'o'sphere</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AFAIK , the Iranians already had their chance to end tyranny and establish a democracy... but instead , they chose tyranny by different hands.Since when do " The People " have a choice ? The one who graps the power after an overthrow or revolution is the one " ruling " and " The People " are the one that get either ruled or extinguished .
Democracy does not come over night .
All democracies ( or more correctly republics as most nations are not a democracy ) we have in our days evolved over decades if not over centuries.Since when may women vote in the USA , since when in Switzerland ?
Since when may black people vote in USA ? You really want to blame " The People " if a dictator with a suppression machine is gaining the power and suppresses " The People " ?
Rofl ... you are not very insightful.angel'o'sphere</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AFAIK, the Iranians already had their chance to end tyranny and establish a democracy... but instead, they chose tyranny by different hands.Since when do "The People" have a choice?The one who graps the power after an overthrow or revolution is the one "ruling" and "The People" are the one that get either ruled or extinguished.
Democracy does not come over night.
All democracies (or more correctly republics as most nations are not a democracy) we have in our days evolved over decades if not over centuries.Since when may women vote in the USA, since when in Switzerland?
Since when may black people vote in USA?You really want to blame "The People" if a dictator with a suppression machine is gaining the power and suppresses "The People"?
Rofl ... you are not very insightful.angel'o'sphere</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329205</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244973780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But the warhawks flipped his opinion 180 degrees, and the "conservatives" followed them. To this day, I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war. It is the exact opposite of their platform, but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.</p></div></blockquote><p>yeah, I'm sure that didn't have anything to do with the rapid and involuntary downtown asbestos removal project that occurred in NYC in his first year in office...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the warhawks flipped his opinion 180 degrees , and the " conservatives " followed them .
To this day , I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war .
It is the exact opposite of their platform , but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.yeah , I 'm sure that did n't have anything to do with the rapid and involuntary downtown asbestos removal project that occurred in NYC in his first year in office.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the warhawks flipped his opinion 180 degrees, and the "conservatives" followed them.
To this day, I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war.
It is the exact opposite of their platform, but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.yeah, I'm sure that didn't have anything to do with the rapid and involuntary downtown asbestos removal project that occurred in NYC in his first year in office...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28335189</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>NotBornYesterday</author>
	<datestamp>1245080880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Funny, I see Ahmadinejad as an Iranian version of Bush.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny , I see Ahmadinejad as an Iranian version of Bush .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny, I see Ahmadinejad as an Iranian version of Bush.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28336655</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>insanius</author>
	<datestamp>1245087060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>yup, and we're too fat and happy to know when it's needed......whats going on in Iran is very similar to what happened in the US in 2004.  Imagine how different the world would be today if we got off our lazy a$$es and did what the youth of Iran are doing today.....</htmltext>
<tokenext>yup , and we 're too fat and happy to know when it 's needed......whats going on in Iran is very similar to what happened in the US in 2004 .
Imagine how different the world would be today if we got off our lazy a $ $ es and did what the youth of Iran are doing today.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yup, and we're too fat and happy to know when it's needed......whats going on in Iran is very similar to what happened in the US in 2004.
Imagine how different the world would be today if we got off our lazy a$$es and did what the youth of Iran are doing today.....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331825</id>
	<title>there is only one thing to do now...</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1245000300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is only one thing to do at a point like this (where the election was so overtly stollen - as if Bush had one a 3rd term), and it does not (directly) involve SMS or re-establishing connections to popular communication/news sites.</p><p>I mean, seriously. Your country was just taken over, and you're up in arms about communications? You should be, literally, up in arms. AKA, "Revolution". Given Ahmadinejad history with such things as revolution, it's only natural that he'd take steps to shut out the most readily available communication methods for orchestrating one.</p><p>"Social networks" and SMS? Please. That is DANGEROUS. Using such things when the network si known to be dangerous - ie, in a "Krystal Knaght" type situation would likely occur after extended monitoring of said networks.</p><p>You are now "behind enemy lines", the enemy being your own government. Your networks need to be small and personal - composed of people you know and trust, and who are equally frearful as you. You need to use encryption pads and other mechanisms for passing communication; nothing that stands out or or anything traceable to its source, such as a wifi mesh or packet radio.</p><p>And most importantly, you need to take active action against your government. If public protests don't do the job, then consider a popular violent revolution, if there is support for such things. It either happens soon or it doesn't happen at all: the coup leaders will be quick to squash down on un-friendly sentiment and people will acclimate to the atmosphere of fear, becoming comfortable with their new malevolent dictatoriat.</p><p>In short, what you need is guns, lots of guns. They should be in fairly ready supply on your southern border; your fellow countrymen have been deporting them to Iraq for some time, and maybe some Kurds or Iraqis would be benevolent to reciprocate (albiet, in a more kind manner).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is only one thing to do at a point like this ( where the election was so overtly stollen - as if Bush had one a 3rd term ) , and it does not ( directly ) involve SMS or re-establishing connections to popular communication/news sites.I mean , seriously .
Your country was just taken over , and you 're up in arms about communications ?
You should be , literally , up in arms .
AKA , " Revolution " .
Given Ahmadinejad history with such things as revolution , it 's only natural that he 'd take steps to shut out the most readily available communication methods for orchestrating one .
" Social networks " and SMS ?
Please. That is DANGEROUS .
Using such things when the network si known to be dangerous - ie , in a " Krystal Knaght " type situation would likely occur after extended monitoring of said networks.You are now " behind enemy lines " , the enemy being your own government .
Your networks need to be small and personal - composed of people you know and trust , and who are equally frearful as you .
You need to use encryption pads and other mechanisms for passing communication ; nothing that stands out or or anything traceable to its source , such as a wifi mesh or packet radio.And most importantly , you need to take active action against your government .
If public protests do n't do the job , then consider a popular violent revolution , if there is support for such things .
It either happens soon or it does n't happen at all : the coup leaders will be quick to squash down on un-friendly sentiment and people will acclimate to the atmosphere of fear , becoming comfortable with their new malevolent dictatoriat.In short , what you need is guns , lots of guns .
They should be in fairly ready supply on your southern border ; your fellow countrymen have been deporting them to Iraq for some time , and maybe some Kurds or Iraqis would be benevolent to reciprocate ( albiet , in a more kind manner ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is only one thing to do at a point like this (where the election was so overtly stollen - as if Bush had one a 3rd term), and it does not (directly) involve SMS or re-establishing connections to popular communication/news sites.I mean, seriously.
Your country was just taken over, and you're up in arms about communications?
You should be, literally, up in arms.
AKA, "Revolution".
Given Ahmadinejad history with such things as revolution, it's only natural that he'd take steps to shut out the most readily available communication methods for orchestrating one.
"Social networks" and SMS?
Please. That is DANGEROUS.
Using such things when the network si known to be dangerous - ie, in a "Krystal Knaght" type situation would likely occur after extended monitoring of said networks.You are now "behind enemy lines", the enemy being your own government.
Your networks need to be small and personal - composed of people you know and trust, and who are equally frearful as you.
You need to use encryption pads and other mechanisms for passing communication; nothing that stands out or or anything traceable to its source, such as a wifi mesh or packet radio.And most importantly, you need to take active action against your government.
If public protests don't do the job, then consider a popular violent revolution, if there is support for such things.
It either happens soon or it doesn't happen at all: the coup leaders will be quick to squash down on un-friendly sentiment and people will acclimate to the atmosphere of fear, becoming comfortable with their new malevolent dictatoriat.In short, what you need is guns, lots of guns.
They should be in fairly ready supply on your southern border; your fellow countrymen have been deporting them to Iraq for some time, and maybe some Kurds or Iraqis would be benevolent to reciprocate (albiet, in a more kind manner).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328321</id>
	<title>Somebody Answer the Question</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245011160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the fuck is wrong with you people? The person asked for a serious request on how to setup a AdHoc network, and you spout relatively petty bullshit?! Can anyone answer the person's question, or are you just going to use this is a soap box?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the fuck is wrong with you people ?
The person asked for a serious request on how to setup a AdHoc network , and you spout relatively petty bullshit ? !
Can anyone answer the person 's question , or are you just going to use this is a soap box ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the fuck is wrong with you people?
The person asked for a serious request on how to setup a AdHoc network, and you spout relatively petty bullshit?!
Can anyone answer the person's question, or are you just going to use this is a soap box?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330369</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244985300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And how effective are handguns against tanks again?  Great thinking.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And how effective are handguns against tanks again ?
Great thinking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how effective are handguns against tanks again?
Great thinking.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328425</id>
	<title>Please murder that government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245011820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you can't change the government; the public should join forces and wage war on the government to avoid such dicatorships.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you ca n't change the government ; the public should join forces and wage war on the government to avoid such dicatorships .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can't change the government; the public should join forces and wage war on the government to avoid such dicatorships.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328067</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245009420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I thought the idea of kicking out a dictatorship and allowing a democracy to flourish was a good idea.</p></div><p>Yeah... that rarely works.  You can't forceably make a democracy from the outside.  A country has a dictatorship for a reason: when fear is the only path to stability.  This is understandable in places where there are major social problems such as ethnic or religious strife combined with low standards of living.  A dictatorship achieves stability at the cost of freedom.
<br>
A better idea might be to work with the dictator to improve the standard of living.  Bring in education and technology in exchange for diminishing the brainwashing.  Once the society rises to a standard of living where they are enlightened enough to live in peace, under the rule of law instead of the rule of the fear, then democracy can begin.
<br>
Ironically, the idea of invading other countries for humanitarian reasons is a very leftist concept.  And one that George Bush denied during his bid for the presidential election.  He said something like "If we'd just leave people alone, they might not hate us so much.  We should stay out of their business."  But the warhawks flipped his opinion 180 degrees, and the "conservatives" followed them.  To this day, I am amazed when I hear American Republicans  support the war.  It is the exact opposite of their platform, but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government, they can do it themselves.</p></div><p>If they want help, I could understand the UN deciding to assist them.  That is similar to what happened in Afghanistan - the UN forces assisted the Northern Alliance against the Taliban.  But that is different from ousting the dictator without having been asked to assist.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the idea of kicking out a dictatorship and allowing a democracy to flourish was a good idea.Yeah... that rarely works .
You ca n't forceably make a democracy from the outside .
A country has a dictatorship for a reason : when fear is the only path to stability .
This is understandable in places where there are major social problems such as ethnic or religious strife combined with low standards of living .
A dictatorship achieves stability at the cost of freedom .
A better idea might be to work with the dictator to improve the standard of living .
Bring in education and technology in exchange for diminishing the brainwashing .
Once the society rises to a standard of living where they are enlightened enough to live in peace , under the rule of law instead of the rule of the fear , then democracy can begin .
Ironically , the idea of invading other countries for humanitarian reasons is a very leftist concept .
And one that George Bush denied during his bid for the presidential election .
He said something like " If we 'd just leave people alone , they might not hate us so much .
We should stay out of their business .
" But the warhawks flipped his opinion 180 degrees , and the " conservatives " followed them .
To this day , I am amazed when I hear American Republicans support the war .
It is the exact opposite of their platform , but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government , they can do it themselves.If they want help , I could understand the UN deciding to assist them .
That is similar to what happened in Afghanistan - the UN forces assisted the Northern Alliance against the Taliban .
But that is different from ousting the dictator without having been asked to assist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the idea of kicking out a dictatorship and allowing a democracy to flourish was a good idea.Yeah... that rarely works.
You can't forceably make a democracy from the outside.
A country has a dictatorship for a reason: when fear is the only path to stability.
This is understandable in places where there are major social problems such as ethnic or religious strife combined with low standards of living.
A dictatorship achieves stability at the cost of freedom.
A better idea might be to work with the dictator to improve the standard of living.
Bring in education and technology in exchange for diminishing the brainwashing.
Once the society rises to a standard of living where they are enlightened enough to live in peace, under the rule of law instead of the rule of the fear, then democracy can begin.
Ironically, the idea of invading other countries for humanitarian reasons is a very leftist concept.
And one that George Bush denied during his bid for the presidential election.
He said something like "If we'd just leave people alone, they might not hate us so much.
We should stay out of their business.
"  But the warhawks flipped his opinion 180 degrees, and the "conservatives" followed them.
To this day, I am amazed when I hear American Republicans  support the war.
It is the exact opposite of their platform, but they blindly follow it even against their own philosophy.If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government, they can do it themselves.If they want help, I could understand the UN deciding to assist them.
That is similar to what happened in Afghanistan - the UN forces assisted the Northern Alliance against the Taliban.
But that is different from ousting the dictator without having been asked to assist.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329469</id>
	<title>Re:Hmm, tough choice</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1244975940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wrong.  Removing communications from <i>the people</i> does nothing to destabilise <i>the government</i>.  Quite teh opposite, actually.</p><p>Not accusing you of being a shill (no no no not at all), but you are very new here, aren't you?  Just a coincidence I'm sure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong .
Removing communications from the people does nothing to destabilise the government .
Quite teh opposite , actually.Not accusing you of being a shill ( no no no not at all ) , but you are very new here , are n't you ?
Just a coincidence I 'm sure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong.
Removing communications from the people does nothing to destabilise the government.
Quite teh opposite, actually.Not accusing you of being a shill (no no no not at all), but you are very new here, aren't you?
Just a coincidence I'm sure.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328121</id>
	<title>Iran election: "Mission accomplished"</title>
	<author>David Gerard</author>
	<datestamp>1245009780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> Controversy reigns after the Iranian election on Saturday, in which incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was re-elected with a landslide 63\% of the vote and returns from all districts <a href="http://notnews.today.com/2009/06/14/iranian-election-mission-accomplished/" title="today.com">precisely matched Government pre-poll predictions</a> [today.com].

<p>Mr Ahmadinejad credits his win to democratic methods perfected by George W. Bush. "We fully understand the international community's desires to see that Iran's democracy transparently works to the highest standards found in other nations. Mr Bush's work has been exemplary."

</p><p>The "hanging chad" technique has been particularly effective. "Rounding up opposition voters, politicians and journalists named Chad and hanging them. In those cases where the opposition insurgent was not named Chad, we of course took care to change their names to Chad posthumously. Democratic procedures must not only be observed, they must be seen to be observed."

</p><p>"I stand one hundred per cent behind my brother Mahmoud," said Supreme Leader Ali Khameini Rove of the Project for a New Iranian Century. "Occasionally with his mouth moving in time with the movements of my hand. Clever, isn't it?"

</p><p>Mr Ahmadinejad has been condemned by some as a "lunatic redneck" and "a gibbering madman perilously close to the nuclear button." "These charges are most unfair. When I declaimed the necessity of obliterating and deleting the unnameable Zionist entity with cleansing atomic fire, it was implicit in these statements that we would need to reach a resolution to undertake such action through proper procedures of international diplomacy. Mr Bush's excellent work in decapitating Saddam Hussein's odious regime shows the way forward in this regard."

</p><p>"We stand in solidarity with the Iranian people," said President-in-Exile Al Gore from his cave high in the mountains of Afghanistan. "For my own part, I will never give up the fight to take back America and Iran from the Republican counterrevolutionaries and will not rest until all Americans and Iranians breathe the free air of socialism<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... what? Democrats elected? Huh, next you'll try telling me the President's black. You can't fool me! Back where you came from!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Controversy reigns after the Iranian election on Saturday , in which incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was re-elected with a landslide 63 \ % of the vote and returns from all districts precisely matched Government pre-poll predictions [ today.com ] .
Mr Ahmadinejad credits his win to democratic methods perfected by George W. Bush. " We fully understand the international community 's desires to see that Iran 's democracy transparently works to the highest standards found in other nations .
Mr Bush 's work has been exemplary .
" The " hanging chad " technique has been particularly effective .
" Rounding up opposition voters , politicians and journalists named Chad and hanging them .
In those cases where the opposition insurgent was not named Chad , we of course took care to change their names to Chad posthumously .
Democratic procedures must not only be observed , they must be seen to be observed .
" " I stand one hundred per cent behind my brother Mahmoud , " said Supreme Leader Ali Khameini Rove of the Project for a New Iranian Century .
" Occasionally with his mouth moving in time with the movements of my hand .
Clever , is n't it ?
" Mr Ahmadinejad has been condemned by some as a " lunatic redneck " and " a gibbering madman perilously close to the nuclear button .
" " These charges are most unfair .
When I declaimed the necessity of obliterating and deleting the unnameable Zionist entity with cleansing atomic fire , it was implicit in these statements that we would need to reach a resolution to undertake such action through proper procedures of international diplomacy .
Mr Bush 's excellent work in decapitating Saddam Hussein 's odious regime shows the way forward in this regard .
" " We stand in solidarity with the Iranian people , " said President-in-Exile Al Gore from his cave high in the mountains of Afghanistan .
" For my own part , I will never give up the fight to take back America and Iran from the Republican counterrevolutionaries and will not rest until all Americans and Iranians breathe the free air of socialism ... what ? Democrats elected ?
Huh , next you 'll try telling me the President 's black .
You ca n't fool me !
Back where you came from !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Controversy reigns after the Iranian election on Saturday, in which incumbent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was re-elected with a landslide 63\% of the vote and returns from all districts precisely matched Government pre-poll predictions [today.com].
Mr Ahmadinejad credits his win to democratic methods perfected by George W. Bush. "We fully understand the international community's desires to see that Iran's democracy transparently works to the highest standards found in other nations.
Mr Bush's work has been exemplary.
"

The "hanging chad" technique has been particularly effective.
"Rounding up opposition voters, politicians and journalists named Chad and hanging them.
In those cases where the opposition insurgent was not named Chad, we of course took care to change their names to Chad posthumously.
Democratic procedures must not only be observed, they must be seen to be observed.
"

"I stand one hundred per cent behind my brother Mahmoud," said Supreme Leader Ali Khameini Rove of the Project for a New Iranian Century.
"Occasionally with his mouth moving in time with the movements of my hand.
Clever, isn't it?
"

Mr Ahmadinejad has been condemned by some as a "lunatic redneck" and "a gibbering madman perilously close to the nuclear button.
" "These charges are most unfair.
When I declaimed the necessity of obliterating and deleting the unnameable Zionist entity with cleansing atomic fire, it was implicit in these statements that we would need to reach a resolution to undertake such action through proper procedures of international diplomacy.
Mr Bush's excellent work in decapitating Saddam Hussein's odious regime shows the way forward in this regard.
"

"We stand in solidarity with the Iranian people," said President-in-Exile Al Gore from his cave high in the mountains of Afghanistan.
"For my own part, I will never give up the fight to take back America and Iran from the Republican counterrevolutionaries and will not rest until all Americans and Iranians breathe the free air of socialism ... what? Democrats elected?
Huh, next you'll try telling me the President's black.
You can't fool me!
Back where you came from!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328079</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>Schnoogs</author>
	<datestamp>1245009480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can pretty much replace the word "Iran" in your post with North Korea and "the Iranian people" with the west and you're still correct.</p><p>Waiting for regimes like the ones in Iran, Iraq and North Korea to simply die off or leave without the use of violence is just naive and silly...leftwing thinking for the win.</p><p>Sanctions and protests do nothing.  They need to be removed by force.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can pretty much replace the word " Iran " in your post with North Korea and " the Iranian people " with the west and you 're still correct.Waiting for regimes like the ones in Iran , Iraq and North Korea to simply die off or leave without the use of violence is just naive and silly...leftwing thinking for the win.Sanctions and protests do nothing .
They need to be removed by force .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can pretty much replace the word "Iran" in your post with North Korea and "the Iranian people" with the west and you're still correct.Waiting for regimes like the ones in Iran, Iraq and North Korea to simply die off or leave without the use of violence is just naive and silly...leftwing thinking for the win.Sanctions and protests do nothing.
They need to be removed by force.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327787</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330161</id>
	<title>Sigh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244983260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am bewildered and gob smacked at the ignorance of people. Seriously.</p><p>Stating that the Iranian people are responsible for the government's actions is like stating that the American people are responsible for:</p><p>1) Killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people in Japan in WW2<br>2) Killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people in Vietnam<br>3) Killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people in Iraq</p><p>Not to mention all the future problems that the "American people" have created by breaking apart governments that needed to organically grow and change (after all, we didn't go from slavery to democracy overnight).</p><p>There needs to be a clear distinction between "the people" and the power-driven politicans (i.e. Bush or any other poltician, be it Stalin, Pol Pot or Ahmadinejad).</p><p>The people are always going to need to rebel and create civil wars (which in turn create revolutions). But its always very difficult and in some states very costly (depending on the military power of that country). A civil war in Iran would be a catastrophe like never seen before.</p><p>They definitely need help from the UN and the rest of the Western world or it could create even more tensions between the West and Middle East.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am bewildered and gob smacked at the ignorance of people .
Seriously.Stating that the Iranian people are responsible for the government 's actions is like stating that the American people are responsible for : 1 ) Killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people in Japan in WW22 ) Killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people in Vietnam3 ) Killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people in IraqNot to mention all the future problems that the " American people " have created by breaking apart governments that needed to organically grow and change ( after all , we did n't go from slavery to democracy overnight ) .There needs to be a clear distinction between " the people " and the power-driven politicans ( i.e .
Bush or any other poltician , be it Stalin , Pol Pot or Ahmadinejad ) .The people are always going to need to rebel and create civil wars ( which in turn create revolutions ) .
But its always very difficult and in some states very costly ( depending on the military power of that country ) .
A civil war in Iran would be a catastrophe like never seen before.They definitely need help from the UN and the rest of the Western world or it could create even more tensions between the West and Middle East .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am bewildered and gob smacked at the ignorance of people.
Seriously.Stating that the Iranian people are responsible for the government's actions is like stating that the American people are responsible for:1) Killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people in Japan in WW22) Killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people in Vietnam3) Killing hundreds and thousands of innocent people in IraqNot to mention all the future problems that the "American people" have created by breaking apart governments that needed to organically grow and change (after all, we didn't go from slavery to democracy overnight).There needs to be a clear distinction between "the people" and the power-driven politicans (i.e.
Bush or any other poltician, be it Stalin, Pol Pot or Ahmadinejad).The people are always going to need to rebel and create civil wars (which in turn create revolutions).
But its always very difficult and in some states very costly (depending on the military power of that country).
A civil war in Iran would be a catastrophe like never seen before.They definitely need help from the UN and the rest of the Western world or it could create even more tensions between the West and Middle East.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328191</id>
	<title>Read the article titled "The Ugly Side of Truth".</title>
	<author>reporter</author>
	<datestamp>1245010140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>tjstork wrote, "<b>If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government, they can do it themselves. If the left wants to lament the death of democracy in Iraq, they can spare me the tears. They had no problem advocating tyranny in Iraq.</b>"
<p>
Read the article titled "<a href="http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1268355&amp;no\_d2=1&amp;cid=28328085" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">The Ugly Side of Truth</a> [slashdot.org]".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>tjstork wrote , " If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government , they can do it themselves .
If the left wants to lament the death of democracy in Iraq , they can spare me the tears .
They had no problem advocating tyranny in Iraq .
" Read the article titled " The Ugly Side of Truth [ slashdot.org ] " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>tjstork wrote, "If the people of Iran want to get rid of their government, they can do it themselves.
If the left wants to lament the death of democracy in Iraq, they can spare me the tears.
They had no problem advocating tyranny in Iraq.
"

Read the article titled "The Ugly Side of Truth [slashdot.org]".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327887</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327899</id>
	<title>Tor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If what is disrupted are specific sites, and not the whole internet, you can use it to get anonymous/encrypted communication with wherever you want.<br><br>In the other hand, tor sounds too much like Thor, and if Iranian government things you are of another religion you could be screwed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If what is disrupted are specific sites , and not the whole internet , you can use it to get anonymous/encrypted communication with wherever you want.In the other hand , tor sounds too much like Thor , and if Iranian government things you are of another religion you could be screwed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If what is disrupted are specific sites, and not the whole internet, you can use it to get anonymous/encrypted communication with wherever you want.In the other hand, tor sounds too much like Thor, and if Iranian government things you are of another religion you could be screwed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28337363</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Asic Eng</author>
	<datestamp>1245090360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>For the most part, the historical record is pretty clear, once you have a dictatorship, you aren't going to "undictatorship".</i> <p>
Discounting Russia and almost every Eastern-European country, a few decades back? Tiananmen was interesting because it failed - the rare exception at the time. I can't think of a stable Asian monarchy right now - Which one? Thailand's king is not exactly running the government, and the country is not exactly stable, either. North Korea maybe? The country which can't afford to turn on the light in the capital's airport? Doesn't sound so stable to me. Burma has a dictatorship, but I wouldn't bet on another 50 years. South Korea, Japan and Taiwan are democracies. Cambodia got rid of the Khmer. So which one is it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the most part , the historical record is pretty clear , once you have a dictatorship , you are n't going to " undictatorship " .
Discounting Russia and almost every Eastern-European country , a few decades back ?
Tiananmen was interesting because it failed - the rare exception at the time .
I ca n't think of a stable Asian monarchy right now - Which one ?
Thailand 's king is not exactly running the government , and the country is not exactly stable , either .
North Korea maybe ?
The country which ca n't afford to turn on the light in the capital 's airport ?
Does n't sound so stable to me .
Burma has a dictatorship , but I would n't bet on another 50 years .
South Korea , Japan and Taiwan are democracies .
Cambodia got rid of the Khmer .
So which one is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the most part, the historical record is pretty clear, once you have a dictatorship, you aren't going to "undictatorship".
Discounting Russia and almost every Eastern-European country, a few decades back?
Tiananmen was interesting because it failed - the rare exception at the time.
I can't think of a stable Asian monarchy right now - Which one?
Thailand's king is not exactly running the government, and the country is not exactly stable, either.
North Korea maybe?
The country which can't afford to turn on the light in the capital's airport?
Doesn't sound so stable to me.
Burma has a dictatorship, but I wouldn't bet on another 50 years.
South Korea, Japan and Taiwan are democracies.
Cambodia got rid of the Khmer.
So which one is it?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328757</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327885</id>
	<title>Khamenei knows what he's doing</title>
	<author>artor3</author>
	<datestamp>1245008160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The extent of the fraud perpetrated is clearly intended to send a message.  If the powers that be in Iran just wanted Ahmadinejad reelected, they could have done so subtly.  Give him 45\% or so in round 1, to Mousavi's 39\%, and then have him win round 2 with 52\% or so.  People wouldn't like it, but it'd at least be believable.</p><p>No, by giving Ahmadinejad ~67\% of the vote, even in Mousavi's hometown, they are very clearly sending a message to the people that their votes do <b>not</b> count.  After such a high turnout, after so much enthusiasm, this is a clear move to disenfranchise the Iranian people, so that they don't even try to vote against the entrenched powers in the future.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The extent of the fraud perpetrated is clearly intended to send a message .
If the powers that be in Iran just wanted Ahmadinejad reelected , they could have done so subtly .
Give him 45 \ % or so in round 1 , to Mousavi 's 39 \ % , and then have him win round 2 with 52 \ % or so .
People would n't like it , but it 'd at least be believable.No , by giving Ahmadinejad ~ 67 \ % of the vote , even in Mousavi 's hometown , they are very clearly sending a message to the people that their votes do not count .
After such a high turnout , after so much enthusiasm , this is a clear move to disenfranchise the Iranian people , so that they do n't even try to vote against the entrenched powers in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The extent of the fraud perpetrated is clearly intended to send a message.
If the powers that be in Iran just wanted Ahmadinejad reelected, they could have done so subtly.
Give him 45\% or so in round 1, to Mousavi's 39\%, and then have him win round 2 with 52\% or so.
People wouldn't like it, but it'd at least be believable.No, by giving Ahmadinejad ~67\% of the vote, even in Mousavi's hometown, they are very clearly sending a message to the people that their votes do not count.
After such a high turnout, after so much enthusiasm, this is a clear move to disenfranchise the Iranian people, so that they don't even try to vote against the entrenched powers in the future.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327805</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328449</id>
	<title>Re:Ways to help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245012000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am Momen Abdullah<br>
&nbsp; Please give me more info or links about Ad-Hoc WiFi Mesh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am Momen Abdullah   Please give me more info or links about Ad-Hoc WiFi Mesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am Momen Abdullah
  Please give me more info or links about Ad-Hoc WiFi Mesh.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328165</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328159</id>
	<title>Re:HAM Radio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245009900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Inmarsat BGAN<br><a href="http://www.inmarsat.com/Services/Land/BGAN/default.aspx" title="inmarsat.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.inmarsat.com/Services/Land/BGAN/default.aspx</a> [inmarsat.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Inmarsat BGANhttp : //www.inmarsat.com/Services/Land/BGAN/default.aspx [ inmarsat.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Inmarsat BGANhttp://www.inmarsat.com/Services/Land/BGAN/default.aspx [inmarsat.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327795</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328435</id>
	<title>Re:Fox News only true source of news these days</title>
	<author>artor3</author>
	<datestamp>1245011940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I don't pay attention to MSNBC, as they're nearly as bad as Fox, just in the opposite direction.</p><p>CNN and the NY Times have been covering this story non-stop since the voting started a couple days ago.  In fact, it's the front page story on the Times.</p><p>If Fox says that its competitors aren't covering the story, that's just because Fox wants you to stay tuned to their station.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I do n't pay attention to MSNBC , as they 're nearly as bad as Fox , just in the opposite direction.CNN and the NY Times have been covering this story non-stop since the voting started a couple days ago .
In fact , it 's the front page story on the Times.If Fox says that its competitors are n't covering the story , that 's just because Fox wants you to stay tuned to their station .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I don't pay attention to MSNBC, as they're nearly as bad as Fox, just in the opposite direction.CNN and the NY Times have been covering this story non-stop since the voting started a couple days ago.
In fact, it's the front page story on the Times.If Fox says that its competitors aren't covering the story, that's just because Fox wants you to stay tuned to their station.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328037</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28334871</id>
	<title>Just use OpenVPN to bypass Iranian Censorship</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245079320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Re: setting up a hope network to access restricted sites in Iran: Simply sign up for an openvpn account and you'll bypass the government mandated isp filtering. strongvpn.com has the best openvpn service imo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Re : setting up a hope network to access restricted sites in Iran : Simply sign up for an openvpn account and you 'll bypass the government mandated isp filtering .
strongvpn.com has the best openvpn service imo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Re: setting up a hope network to access restricted sites in Iran: Simply sign up for an openvpn account and you'll bypass the government mandated isp filtering.
strongvpn.com has the best openvpn service imo.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328431</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>KeithIrwin</author>
	<datestamp>1245011940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having the will doesn't remove the need for organization.  If 100 people each show up at one of 1,000 different places to protest, it's a lot easier to put them down than if 100,000 people show up at one place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having the will does n't remove the need for organization .
If 100 people each show up at one of 1,000 different places to protest , it 's a lot easier to put them down than if 100,000 people show up at one place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having the will doesn't remove the need for organization.
If 100 people each show up at one of 1,000 different places to protest, it's a lot easier to put them down than if 100,000 people show up at one place.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331257</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244994660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the slash dot users do not show sympathy to the guys in Iran. Only a few have answered his question, others show their ego and ignorance. That is why Bush was able to rule USA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the slash dot users do not show sympathy to the guys in Iran .
Only a few have answered his question , others show their ego and ignorance .
That is why Bush was able to rule USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the slash dot users do not show sympathy to the guys in Iran.
Only a few have answered his question, others show their ego and ignorance.
That is why Bush was able to rule USA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327793</id>
	<title>A suggestion to Mr. Abdullah</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245007320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Leave. Now. While you still can.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Leave .
Now. While you still can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leave.
Now. While you still can.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28333253</id>
	<title>UNBELIEVABLE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245063660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The original plea generates a bunch of political flames, numerous uninformed and/or useless responses and some vague calls for the use of Ham Radio - A wikipedia entry?...what are they going to do, go into the electronics shop and purchase a Kenwood/Icom/Yaseu etc. walkie talkie?  Get real people.  The state is bashing heads and this is the best you can do?  Contemplate your own lack of knowledge and its impact on you if the same occurred in your country.   Before anyone starts recommending any "solutions" they should consider what a severe beating, long imprisonment, torture etc. would be like and the possibility that light-hearted advice might result in same.   I feel genuine empathy for the Iranian people.  My recommended solution to oppressed individuals is lay low and get out of the country when the possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The original plea generates a bunch of political flames , numerous uninformed and/or useless responses and some vague calls for the use of Ham Radio - A wikipedia entry ? ...what are they going to do , go into the electronics shop and purchase a Kenwood/Icom/Yaseu etc .
walkie talkie ?
Get real people .
The state is bashing heads and this is the best you can do ?
Contemplate your own lack of knowledge and its impact on you if the same occurred in your country .
Before anyone starts recommending any " solutions " they should consider what a severe beating , long imprisonment , torture etc .
would be like and the possibility that light-hearted advice might result in same .
I feel genuine empathy for the Iranian people .
My recommended solution to oppressed individuals is lay low and get out of the country when the possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The original plea generates a bunch of political flames, numerous uninformed and/or useless responses and some vague calls for the use of Ham Radio - A wikipedia entry?...what are they going to do, go into the electronics shop and purchase a Kenwood/Icom/Yaseu etc.
walkie talkie?
Get real people.
The state is bashing heads and this is the best you can do?
Contemplate your own lack of knowledge and its impact on you if the same occurred in your country.
Before anyone starts recommending any "solutions" they should consider what a severe beating, long imprisonment, torture etc.
would be like and the possibility that light-hearted advice might result in same.
I feel genuine empathy for the Iranian people.
My recommended solution to oppressed individuals is lay low and get out of the country when the possible.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28333491</id>
	<title>Ad Hoc WiFi networks</title>
	<author>Martin Spamer</author>
	<datestamp>1245067740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wifi computer networks can operate in ad-hoc which allows WiFi enabled devices to communicate directly with each other without needing an access point/base station.  When operating in ad-hoc mode all wireless devices within range can be discovered and communicate in peer-to-peer fashion.</p><p>All wireless adapters on the ad-hoc network must use the same SSID and the same channel number.  Ad hoc networks a great when needing to build a small, all-wireless LAN quickly. You can configure "add-hoc" network mode through the network configuration in Control panel.</p><p>Read the following for detailed descriptions of what to do.</p><p><a href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb457016.aspx#ECAA" title="microsoft.com">Configuring an ad-hoc Wifi network with Windows XP</a> [microsoft.com]</p><p><a href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/library/cc755301.aspx" title="microsoft.com">Configuring an ad-hoc Wifi network with Windows Vista</a> [microsoft.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wifi computer networks can operate in ad-hoc which allows WiFi enabled devices to communicate directly with each other without needing an access point/base station .
When operating in ad-hoc mode all wireless devices within range can be discovered and communicate in peer-to-peer fashion.All wireless adapters on the ad-hoc network must use the same SSID and the same channel number .
Ad hoc networks a great when needing to build a small , all-wireless LAN quickly .
You can configure " add-hoc " network mode through the network configuration in Control panel.Read the following for detailed descriptions of what to do.Configuring an ad-hoc Wifi network with Windows XP [ microsoft.com ] Configuring an ad-hoc Wifi network with Windows Vista [ microsoft.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wifi computer networks can operate in ad-hoc which allows WiFi enabled devices to communicate directly with each other without needing an access point/base station.
When operating in ad-hoc mode all wireless devices within range can be discovered and communicate in peer-to-peer fashion.All wireless adapters on the ad-hoc network must use the same SSID and the same channel number.
Ad hoc networks a great when needing to build a small, all-wireless LAN quickly.
You can configure "add-hoc" network mode through the network configuration in Control panel.Read the following for detailed descriptions of what to do.Configuring an ad-hoc Wifi network with Windows XP [microsoft.com]Configuring an ad-hoc Wifi network with Windows Vista [microsoft.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328843</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>Ant P.</author>
	<datestamp>1244971320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Iran lacks the technology to deliver nuclear payloads to the US.</p></div><p>Why would they bother trying to nuke the US when they could wipe out the huge chunk of its military sitting next door instead?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Iran lacks the technology to deliver nuclear payloads to the US.Why would they bother trying to nuke the US when they could wipe out the huge chunk of its military sitting next door instead ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Iran lacks the technology to deliver nuclear payloads to the US.Why would they bother trying to nuke the US when they could wipe out the huge chunk of its military sitting next door instead?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330295</id>
	<title>Re:Ways to help</title>
	<author>gbarules2999</author>
	<datestamp>1244984460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey, people smarter than me, the questioner is asking another question!<br> <br>As far as I can tell, what he means is using the Ad-Hoc function in your wireless internet devices (if you have them and they are sufficiently powerful) which allows you to share files directly between computers or use internet-related programs such as, say, Instant Messaging, directly without outside internet interference.<br> <br>A mesh network would chain-link all of the computers available so that you effectively create, in the most basic sense, an Internet without the Internet. Computers would pass messages up and down the network, jumping from ad-hoc to ad-hoc.<br> <br>http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1451421<br> <br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh\_network</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , people smarter than me , the questioner is asking another question !
As far as I can tell , what he means is using the Ad-Hoc function in your wireless internet devices ( if you have them and they are sufficiently powerful ) which allows you to share files directly between computers or use internet-related programs such as , say , Instant Messaging , directly without outside internet interference .
A mesh network would chain-link all of the computers available so that you effectively create , in the most basic sense , an Internet without the Internet .
Computers would pass messages up and down the network , jumping from ad-hoc to ad-hoc .
http : //www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1451421 http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh \ _network</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, people smarter than me, the questioner is asking another question!
As far as I can tell, what he means is using the Ad-Hoc function in your wireless internet devices (if you have them and they are sufficiently powerful) which allows you to share files directly between computers or use internet-related programs such as, say, Instant Messaging, directly without outside internet interference.
A mesh network would chain-link all of the computers available so that you effectively create, in the most basic sense, an Internet without the Internet.
Computers would pass messages up and down the network, jumping from ad-hoc to ad-hoc.
http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/tutorials/article.php/1451421 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh\_network</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328853</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>Myrcutio</author>
	<datestamp>1244971320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Once more, your history is somewhat skewed.  Britain did not *ignore* the american colonies on the stamp tax, in fact the rest of the British empire paid those same taxes.  Would it be fair for the colonials to simply ignore the taxes they didn't agree with?  Also, no other colonies had parliamentary representation, not even India.  In parliament's eyes, it was the colonists who were being entirely unreasonable, when in fact both sides were somewhat equally violent and greedy.<br> <br>

Iran unfortunately has very little news coverage by foreign sources.  This makes it nearly impossible to draw any reliable observations or predictions, very similar to Schrodinger's cat box.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Once more , your history is somewhat skewed .
Britain did not * ignore * the american colonies on the stamp tax , in fact the rest of the British empire paid those same taxes .
Would it be fair for the colonials to simply ignore the taxes they did n't agree with ?
Also , no other colonies had parliamentary representation , not even India .
In parliament 's eyes , it was the colonists who were being entirely unreasonable , when in fact both sides were somewhat equally violent and greedy .
Iran unfortunately has very little news coverage by foreign sources .
This makes it nearly impossible to draw any reliable observations or predictions , very similar to Schrodinger 's cat box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once more, your history is somewhat skewed.
Britain did not *ignore* the american colonies on the stamp tax, in fact the rest of the British empire paid those same taxes.
Would it be fair for the colonials to simply ignore the taxes they didn't agree with?
Also, no other colonies had parliamentary representation, not even India.
In parliament's eyes, it was the colonists who were being entirely unreasonable, when in fact both sides were somewhat equally violent and greedy.
Iran unfortunately has very little news coverage by foreign sources.
This makes it nearly impossible to draw any reliable observations or predictions, very similar to Schrodinger's cat box.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328241</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>CrashandDie</author>
	<datestamp>1245010500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>1/ You're an idiot for believing there was anything else to the war in Iraq excepted for shameless personal vendetta and greed.<br>
2/ These people are actually asking for help, there is an outcry to the world.<br> <br>

If you can't see the difference between 1/ and 2/, read the three first words of 1/ again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1/ You 're an idiot for believing there was anything else to the war in Iraq excepted for shameless personal vendetta and greed .
2/ These people are actually asking for help , there is an outcry to the world .
If you ca n't see the difference between 1/ and 2/ , read the three first words of 1/ again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1/ You're an idiot for believing there was anything else to the war in Iraq excepted for shameless personal vendetta and greed.
2/ These people are actually asking for help, there is an outcry to the world.
If you can't see the difference between 1/ and 2/, read the three first words of 1/ again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329257</id>
	<title>Re:Not so fast...</title>
	<author>symbolic</author>
	<datestamp>1244974080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The US just got done with one of the worst presidents in history, who was put in office TWICE (technicalities aside). Politicians talk a good game. Good politicians are masters at multitasking - that is, patting you on the back with one hand while stealing your money with the other. How do we know that Iran wasn't faced with a similar circumstance?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The US just got done with one of the worst presidents in history , who was put in office TWICE ( technicalities aside ) .
Politicians talk a good game .
Good politicians are masters at multitasking - that is , patting you on the back with one hand while stealing your money with the other .
How do we know that Iran was n't faced with a similar circumstance ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US just got done with one of the worst presidents in history, who was put in office TWICE (technicalities aside).
Politicians talk a good game.
Good politicians are masters at multitasking - that is, patting you on the back with one hand while stealing your money with the other.
How do we know that Iran wasn't faced with a similar circumstance?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329473</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244976060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>no, people just have to be complacent enough...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>no , people just have to be complacent enough.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>no, people just have to be complacent enough...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328279</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>i.r.id10t</author>
	<datestamp>1245010800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And that is why here in America we have the 2nd amendment.  The founding fathers realized that at some point, a second revolution would be needed...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And that is why here in America we have the 2nd amendment .
The founding fathers realized that at some point , a second revolution would be needed.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And that is why here in America we have the 2nd amendment.
The founding fathers realized that at some point, a second revolution would be needed...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327787</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328387</id>
	<title>Re:Fox News only true source of news these days</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245011640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>LOL, thanks for the chuckle.  You're being sarcastic, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL , thanks for the chuckle .
You 're being sarcastic , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL, thanks for the chuckle.
You're being sarcastic, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328037</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28336623</id>
	<title>Re:there is only one thing to do now...</title>
	<author>T.E.D.</author>
	<datestamp>1245086880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A bunch are armed people, without any communications between them, are hardly going to have any affect against an organized army. No matter what path their reistance takes, communications are <strong>key</strong></htmltext>
<tokenext>A bunch are armed people , without any communications between them , are hardly going to have any affect against an organized army .
No matter what path their reistance takes , communications are key</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A bunch are armed people, without any communications between them, are hardly going to have any affect against an organized army.
No matter what path their reistance takes, communications are key</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331825</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327981</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Aw fuck off, when did left advocate tyranny? Military Non-intervention != advocacy</htmltext>
<tokenext>Aw fuck off , when did left advocate tyranny ?
Military Non-intervention ! = advocacy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aw fuck off, when did left advocate tyranny?
Military Non-intervention != advocacy</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328541</id>
	<title>Israel/Iran war then US gets involved</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245012600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The war, if it comes (with Ahmadinejad, it is more *when* it comes) will be Israel taking out Iran's nuclear sites. Then Iran retaliates and it escalates. US could be pulled in.</p><p>So, US will not start a war, but it may just end up finishing it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The war , if it comes ( with Ahmadinejad , it is more * when * it comes ) will be Israel taking out Iran 's nuclear sites .
Then Iran retaliates and it escalates .
US could be pulled in.So , US will not start a war , but it may just end up finishing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The war, if it comes (with Ahmadinejad, it is more *when* it comes) will be Israel taking out Iran's nuclear sites.
Then Iran retaliates and it escalates.
US could be pulled in.So, US will not start a war, but it may just end up finishing it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328033</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329015</id>
	<title>Re:Proxy volunteers?</title>
	<author>buchner.johannes</author>
	<datestamp>1244972520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.google.at/search?hl=en&amp;q=proxy\%20list&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=" title="google.at">What</a> [google.at] <a href="http://www.google.at/search?hl=en&amp;q=free\%20web\%20proxy&amp;aq=f&amp;oq=" title="google.at">for</a> [google.at]?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What [ google.at ] for [ google.at ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What [google.at] for [google.at]?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327831</id>
	<title>Dial-up</title>
	<author>jciarlan</author>
	<datestamp>1245007680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Computer to phone line. Dial up to a north american ISP. They'll have a hard time filtering web content through what shows up as a phone conversation. I'd be willing to pitch in for the bill, though I doubt many companies would charge for that. Someone set up a netzero account for these people or something, I only have $6.75 in my checking account (and no credit card). Either that, or <a href="http://www.i2p2.de/" title="i2p2.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.i2p2.de/</a> [i2p2.de] for an encrypted tor-like connection.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Computer to phone line .
Dial up to a north american ISP .
They 'll have a hard time filtering web content through what shows up as a phone conversation .
I 'd be willing to pitch in for the bill , though I doubt many companies would charge for that .
Someone set up a netzero account for these people or something , I only have $ 6.75 in my checking account ( and no credit card ) .
Either that , or http : //www.i2p2.de/ [ i2p2.de ] for an encrypted tor-like connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Computer to phone line.
Dial up to a north american ISP.
They'll have a hard time filtering web content through what shows up as a phone conversation.
I'd be willing to pitch in for the bill, though I doubt many companies would charge for that.
Someone set up a netzero account for these people or something, I only have $6.75 in my checking account (and no credit card).
Either that, or http://www.i2p2.de/ [i2p2.de] for an encrypted tor-like connection.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328011</id>
	<title>SSH tunneling</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245008940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I might suggest surrogate ssh tunneling. Have some volunteers with ssh servers in other countries to allow encrypted tunneling. The only thing is you want to arrange this setup discreetly and probably not on the normal ssh port.  If this is too slow of an option to load the pages I would suggest using a text only browser that doesn't bother downloading images unless you specifically want to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I might suggest surrogate ssh tunneling .
Have some volunteers with ssh servers in other countries to allow encrypted tunneling .
The only thing is you want to arrange this setup discreetly and probably not on the normal ssh port .
If this is too slow of an option to load the pages I would suggest using a text only browser that does n't bother downloading images unless you specifically want to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I might suggest surrogate ssh tunneling.
Have some volunteers with ssh servers in other countries to allow encrypted tunneling.
The only thing is you want to arrange this setup discreetly and probably not on the normal ssh port.
If this is too slow of an option to load the pages I would suggest using a text only browser that doesn't bother downloading images unless you specifically want to.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28331873</id>
	<title>Re:HAM Radio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245001080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some more resources:<br><a href="http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id\_article=15083" title="rsf.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id\_article=15083</a> [rsf.org]<br><a href="http://www.rsf.org/IMG/pdf/Bloggers\_Handbook2.pdf" title="rsf.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.rsf.org/IMG/pdf/Bloggers\_Handbook2.pdf</a> [rsf.org]<br><a href="http://www.indymedia.org/" title="indymedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.indymedia.org/</a> [indymedia.org]</p><p>Does anyone know if the RSF anonymous blogging handbook is mirrored elsewhere?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some more resources : http : //www.rsf.org/article.php3 ? id \ _article = 15083 [ rsf.org ] http : //www.rsf.org/IMG/pdf/Bloggers \ _Handbook2.pdf [ rsf.org ] http : //www.indymedia.org/ [ indymedia.org ] Does anyone know if the RSF anonymous blogging handbook is mirrored elsewhere ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some more resources:http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id\_article=15083 [rsf.org]http://www.rsf.org/IMG/pdf/Bloggers\_Handbook2.pdf [rsf.org]http://www.indymedia.org/ [indymedia.org]Does anyone know if the RSF anonymous blogging handbook is mirrored elsewhere?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28332855</id>
	<title>Re:HAM Radio</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245057120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought HAM was prohibited by Islamic religion...</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought HAM was prohibited by Islamic religion...http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought HAM was prohibited by Islamic religion...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328871</id>
	<title>Re:Networking won't solve this</title>
	<author>Scrameustache</author>
	<datestamp>1244971560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm afraid if you want change, it has to come from within. The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government, by force if necessary. Chatting about it on the net won't help, and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point. As with pretty much any real change in life, at has to come from within. If this really matters to the people of Iran, then they have the power to change it. </p></div><p>As others have pointed out in this thread already: 1953, operation AJAX.</p><p>They had a democracy, the US and the Brits killed it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm afraid if you want change , it has to come from within .
The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government , by force if necessary .
Chatting about it on the net wo n't help , and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point .
As with pretty much any real change in life , at has to come from within .
If this really matters to the people of Iran , then they have the power to change it .
As others have pointed out in this thread already : 1953 , operation AJAX.They had a democracy , the US and the Brits killed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm afraid if you want change, it has to come from within.
The Iranian people will have to rise up and displace their government, by force if necessary.
Chatting about it on the net won't help, and the US is not going to at all be interested in forcing change at this point.
As with pretty much any real change in life, at has to come from within.
If this really matters to the people of Iran, then they have the power to change it.
As others have pointed out in this thread already: 1953, operation AJAX.They had a democracy, the US and the Brits killed it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28332285</id>
	<title>Re:Emergency networking</title>
	<author>celle</author>
	<datestamp>1245006300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe if they had some OLPCs(one laptop per child). They were designed to be portable, tough, independently powered, and have mesh networking built in. They were aimed at education but here's another use for them. The laptops shape(kid sized) and coloration(green) does kind of stand out though. This seems like a perfect application for them otherwise. They're also cheap ($150?).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe if they had some OLPCs ( one laptop per child ) .
They were designed to be portable , tough , independently powered , and have mesh networking built in .
They were aimed at education but here 's another use for them .
The laptops shape ( kid sized ) and coloration ( green ) does kind of stand out though .
This seems like a perfect application for them otherwise .
They 're also cheap ( $ 150 ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe if they had some OLPCs(one laptop per child).
They were designed to be portable, tough, independently powered, and have mesh networking built in.
They were aimed at education but here's another use for them.
The laptops shape(kid sized) and coloration(green) does kind of stand out though.
This seems like a perfect application for them otherwise.
They're also cheap ($150?
).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328419</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28327809</id>
	<title>The US Military and the Internet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245007440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I heard at a talk that if the internet falls, the United States' military could not be mobilized.  The situation in Iran sounds similar, but with the citizens.  While the more liberal citizens are crying foul, the majority of the populace still supports the state.  Religion has a disgusting influence on people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I heard at a talk that if the internet falls , the United States ' military could not be mobilized .
The situation in Iran sounds similar , but with the citizens .
While the more liberal citizens are crying foul , the majority of the populace still supports the state .
Religion has a disgusting influence on people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I heard at a talk that if the internet falls, the United States' military could not be mobilized.
The situation in Iran sounds similar, but with the citizens.
While the more liberal citizens are crying foul, the majority of the populace still supports the state.
Religion has a disgusting influence on people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330585</id>
	<title>Freedom of Speech</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244987460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Blame is irrelevant. Oppressed people are asking for help.</p><p>Tools and Information on fighting censorship:<br>http://www.internetfreedom.org/<br>http://www.pgp.com/<br>http://www.dl4all.com/internet/22383-5-best-tools-to-fight-internet-censorship.html<br>Also explore alternative means of communication.</p><p>They are not asking for tanks and missiles, only the means to express themselves. We know what the right thing to do is, the only question is whether we're up to it.</p><p>I am not in any sense a technical expert nor a master of cyber securty. Please, if anyone can offer further service, you know how much this can mean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blame is irrelevant .
Oppressed people are asking for help.Tools and Information on fighting censorship : http : //www.internetfreedom.org/http : //www.pgp.com/http : //www.dl4all.com/internet/22383-5-best-tools-to-fight-internet-censorship.htmlAlso explore alternative means of communication.They are not asking for tanks and missiles , only the means to express themselves .
We know what the right thing to do is , the only question is whether we 're up to it.I am not in any sense a technical expert nor a master of cyber securty .
Please , if anyone can offer further service , you know how much this can mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blame is irrelevant.
Oppressed people are asking for help.Tools and Information on fighting censorship:http://www.internetfreedom.org/http://www.pgp.com/http://www.dl4all.com/internet/22383-5-best-tools-to-fight-internet-censorship.htmlAlso explore alternative means of communication.They are not asking for tanks and missiles, only the means to express themselves.
We know what the right thing to do is, the only question is whether we're up to it.I am not in any sense a technical expert nor a master of cyber securty.
Please, if anyone can offer further service, you know how much this can mean.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28335673</id>
	<title>Mesh network</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245083160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is when a truly disconnected mesh network would have tremendous value; just buy a couple of truckloads of Meraki nodes and setup a really independent internet network...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is when a truly disconnected mesh network would have tremendous value ; just buy a couple of truckloads of Meraki nodes and setup a really independent internet network.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is when a truly disconnected mesh network would have tremendous value; just buy a couple of truckloads of Meraki nodes and setup a really independent internet network...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328561</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>SupremoMan</author>
	<datestamp>1245012720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Where are you getting your information? Ahmadinejad only received 64\% of the vote.</p></div><p>Participation = voter turnout....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Where are you getting your information ?
Ahmadinejad only received 64 \ % of the vote.Participation = voter turnout... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where are you getting your information?
Ahmadinejad only received 64\% of the vote.Participation = voter turnout....
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330501</id>
	<title>Re:Deeply Skeptical of Iranian Cries for Help</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1244986680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Nobody is calling for substantial outside help (that I've heard of), like asking us to invade Iran to help a revolution.</p></div><p>Actually, that seems to be more or less what Newt Gingrich is advocating. I don't think he's actually used the word "invade", but the codes he's using really do come to that. He keeps comparing Obama's attempt to engage with Iran with Churchill's attempts to appease Hitler. That's not very different from saying that just as Britain eventually had to fight Germany, the U.S. will eventually have to fight Iran, and the sooner the better.</p><p>Particularly disturbing is his claim that Iran is close to developing EMP weapons that could quickly destroy all advanced electronics in the U.S., reducing us to a stone-age economy. Aside from his total lack of evidence, it's hard to see how that's even possible outside a country with a lot more advanced technology than Iran has.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nobody is calling for substantial outside help ( that I 've heard of ) , like asking us to invade Iran to help a revolution.Actually , that seems to be more or less what Newt Gingrich is advocating .
I do n't think he 's actually used the word " invade " , but the codes he 's using really do come to that .
He keeps comparing Obama 's attempt to engage with Iran with Churchill 's attempts to appease Hitler .
That 's not very different from saying that just as Britain eventually had to fight Germany , the U.S. will eventually have to fight Iran , and the sooner the better.Particularly disturbing is his claim that Iran is close to developing EMP weapons that could quickly destroy all advanced electronics in the U.S. , reducing us to a stone-age economy .
Aside from his total lack of evidence , it 's hard to see how that 's even possible outside a country with a lot more advanced technology than Iran has .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nobody is calling for substantial outside help (that I've heard of), like asking us to invade Iran to help a revolution.Actually, that seems to be more or less what Newt Gingrich is advocating.
I don't think he's actually used the word "invade", but the codes he's using really do come to that.
He keeps comparing Obama's attempt to engage with Iran with Churchill's attempts to appease Hitler.
That's not very different from saying that just as Britain eventually had to fight Germany, the U.S. will eventually have to fight Iran, and the sooner the better.Particularly disturbing is his claim that Iran is close to developing EMP weapons that could quickly destroy all advanced electronics in the U.S., reducing us to a stone-age economy.
Aside from his total lack of evidence, it's hard to see how that's even possible outside a country with a lot more advanced technology than Iran has.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28328283</id>
	<title>Re:Gandhi isn't always right</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1245010800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It isn't that simple.  A good portion of the country of Iran <em>like</em> their conservative government, and it is not impossible that Ahmadinejad won fairly.  If there were a revolution based on this election, it would probably be the city dwellers in Tehran against the rural religious folk in most of the rest of the country.  A violent revolution isn't realistic (although there are people who are trying).<br> <br>
Gandhi wasn't absolutely against violence.  He considered violence a tool of the weak.  He said that if you don't have the courage, strength of heart, stamina and <em>ahimsa</em> (which roughly translates to love or charity), then you might do better with violence.  Nonviolence is not easy, but in this case violence would probably not work.<br> <br>
Besides, look at the bright side: Ahmadinejad will be easier to deal with from US perspective because he acts crazy.  From the perspective of international politics, Moussavi is essentially the same as Ahmadinejad, except it will be harder for Ahmadinejad to garner the support of the world with some of the things he said (he managed to do so against Bush, but that's only because Bush matched him in the crazy department).</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is n't that simple .
A good portion of the country of Iran like their conservative government , and it is not impossible that Ahmadinejad won fairly .
If there were a revolution based on this election , it would probably be the city dwellers in Tehran against the rural religious folk in most of the rest of the country .
A violent revolution is n't realistic ( although there are people who are trying ) .
Gandhi was n't absolutely against violence .
He considered violence a tool of the weak .
He said that if you do n't have the courage , strength of heart , stamina and ahimsa ( which roughly translates to love or charity ) , then you might do better with violence .
Nonviolence is not easy , but in this case violence would probably not work .
Besides , look at the bright side : Ahmadinejad will be easier to deal with from US perspective because he acts crazy .
From the perspective of international politics , Moussavi is essentially the same as Ahmadinejad , except it will be harder for Ahmadinejad to garner the support of the world with some of the things he said ( he managed to do so against Bush , but that 's only because Bush matched him in the crazy department ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It isn't that simple.
A good portion of the country of Iran like their conservative government, and it is not impossible that Ahmadinejad won fairly.
If there were a revolution based on this election, it would probably be the city dwellers in Tehran against the rural religious folk in most of the rest of the country.
A violent revolution isn't realistic (although there are people who are trying).
Gandhi wasn't absolutely against violence.
He considered violence a tool of the weak.
He said that if you don't have the courage, strength of heart, stamina and ahimsa (which roughly translates to love or charity), then you might do better with violence.
Nonviolence is not easy, but in this case violence would probably not work.
Besides, look at the bright side: Ahmadinejad will be easier to deal with from US perspective because he acts crazy.
From the perspective of international politics, Moussavi is essentially the same as Ahmadinejad, except it will be harder for Ahmadinejad to garner the support of the world with some of the things he said (he managed to do so against Bush, but that's only because Bush matched him in the crazy department).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329671</id>
	<title>Re:Fox News only true source of news these days</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244978040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love Fox. For the same reason I loved the (communist) Prawda. With other news outlets, there's always a chance that they're lying. With Fox and the Prawda, there is no such chance. There's certainty.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love Fox .
For the same reason I loved the ( communist ) Prawda .
With other news outlets , there 's always a chance that they 're lying .
With Fox and the Prawda , there is no such chance .
There 's certainty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love Fox.
For the same reason I loved the (communist) Prawda.
With other news outlets, there's always a chance that they're lying.
With Fox and the Prawda, there is no such chance.
There's certainty.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28329289</id>
	<title>Re:Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244974320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"despite the will of the people"<br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; You have not proven that point by using NK as an example. They went a much more horrible route by manipulating the will of the people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" despite the will of the people "     You have not proven that point by using NK as an example .
They went a much more horrible route by manipulating the will of the people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"despite the will of the people"
  
  You have not proven that point by using NK as an example.
They went a much more horrible route by manipulating the will of the people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28330277</id>
	<title>Something you may not be considering...</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1244984280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the guy who asked for your help in setting up makeshift networks in Iran, is also able to read your replies, then it automatically follows that the government could, too.</p><p>That means, that while to some extent you might be helping the OP, it also means you're potentially providing the government with very critical pieces of information:-</p><p>a)  What any would-be revolutionaries are possibly specifically doing, as far as setting up network infrastructure is concerned, and</p><p>b)  By extension, how to snoop/counter it.</p><p>c)  Potentially information (even if only email addresses) about the Iranian individuals who want to deploy the technology, and then use it for subversive purposes.</p><p>The other thing to consider is, whether or not getting rid of a new dictatorship there is worth it, even if you could.  The most revolutions ever do is buy time, (yes, including the American one) and in the end, all you're really doing is making the world safe for corporations, since in any scenario where government doesn't hold power, they invariably do instead...and generally they do even where you have a national government.</p><p>The majority never end up permanently retaining power, for the simple reason that they don't want it.  As long as said dictator doesn't start randomly killing people, and is also able to do a sufficiently competent administrative job, leave him where he is.  Fewer people will probably end up dying, and in a part of the world like the Middle East, having a firmer than usual hand at the wheel isn't a bad thing anywayz.</p><p>Sadaam might have been a monster in a lot of ways, but he held Iraq together, and as someone else said, managed to keep Iran in check as well.  The Arab states aren't places where behaving like a member of Amnesty International is good for either keeping a country together, or retaining office.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the guy who asked for your help in setting up makeshift networks in Iran , is also able to read your replies , then it automatically follows that the government could , too.That means , that while to some extent you might be helping the OP , it also means you 're potentially providing the government with very critical pieces of information : -a ) What any would-be revolutionaries are possibly specifically doing , as far as setting up network infrastructure is concerned , andb ) By extension , how to snoop/counter it.c ) Potentially information ( even if only email addresses ) about the Iranian individuals who want to deploy the technology , and then use it for subversive purposes.The other thing to consider is , whether or not getting rid of a new dictatorship there is worth it , even if you could .
The most revolutions ever do is buy time , ( yes , including the American one ) and in the end , all you 're really doing is making the world safe for corporations , since in any scenario where government does n't hold power , they invariably do instead...and generally they do even where you have a national government.The majority never end up permanently retaining power , for the simple reason that they do n't want it .
As long as said dictator does n't start randomly killing people , and is also able to do a sufficiently competent administrative job , leave him where he is .
Fewer people will probably end up dying , and in a part of the world like the Middle East , having a firmer than usual hand at the wheel is n't a bad thing anywayz.Sadaam might have been a monster in a lot of ways , but he held Iraq together , and as someone else said , managed to keep Iran in check as well .
The Arab states are n't places where behaving like a member of Amnesty International is good for either keeping a country together , or retaining office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the guy who asked for your help in setting up makeshift networks in Iran, is also able to read your replies, then it automatically follows that the government could, too.That means, that while to some extent you might be helping the OP, it also means you're potentially providing the government with very critical pieces of information:-a)  What any would-be revolutionaries are possibly specifically doing, as far as setting up network infrastructure is concerned, andb)  By extension, how to snoop/counter it.c)  Potentially information (even if only email addresses) about the Iranian individuals who want to deploy the technology, and then use it for subversive purposes.The other thing to consider is, whether or not getting rid of a new dictatorship there is worth it, even if you could.
The most revolutions ever do is buy time, (yes, including the American one) and in the end, all you're really doing is making the world safe for corporations, since in any scenario where government doesn't hold power, they invariably do instead...and generally they do even where you have a national government.The majority never end up permanently retaining power, for the simple reason that they don't want it.
As long as said dictator doesn't start randomly killing people, and is also able to do a sufficiently competent administrative job, leave him where he is.
Fewer people will probably end up dying, and in a part of the world like the Middle East, having a firmer than usual hand at the wheel isn't a bad thing anywayz.Sadaam might have been a monster in a lot of ways, but he held Iraq together, and as someone else said, managed to keep Iran in check as well.
The Arab states aren't places where behaving like a member of Amnesty International is good for either keeping a country together, or retaining office.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_14_183200.28342803</id>
	<title>Re:What's really going on.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245073140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>About the SMS service, if there is a large spike in load delays and outright failures will occur unless someone has paid for the extra capacity in the messaging servers. This used to happen a lot on European mobile networks every new year and I guess elsewhere too. It may not be a conspiracy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About the SMS service , if there is a large spike in load delays and outright failures will occur unless someone has paid for the extra capacity in the messaging servers .
This used to happen a lot on European mobile networks every new year and I guess elsewhere too .
It may not be a conspiracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About the SMS service, if there is a large spike in load delays and outright failures will occur unless someone has paid for the extra capacity in the messaging servers.
This used to happen a lot on European mobile networks every new year and I guess elsewhere too.
It may not be a conspiracy.</sentencetext>
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