<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_11_2032217</id>
	<title>Microsoft Will Ship Windows 7 in Europe With IE Unbundled</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1244710560000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>jimmi\_hendrix was one of several people to note CNET's report that  <i> 'Microsoft <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860\_3-10262630-56.html">plans to remove Internet Explorer</a> from the versions of Windows 7 that it ships in Europe, CNET News has learned. Reacting to antitrust concerns expressed by European regulators, Microsoft plans to offer a version in Europe that has the browser removed. Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsers, according to a confidential memo that was sent to PC makers and seen by CNET News."</i> There's also a <a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/06/windows-7-to-be-shipped-in-europe-sans-internet-explorer.ars">report at Ars Technica</a>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>jimmi \ _hendrix was one of several people to note CNET 's report that 'Microsoft plans to remove Internet Explorer from the versions of Windows 7 that it ships in Europe , CNET News has learned .
Reacting to antitrust concerns expressed by European regulators , Microsoft plans to offer a version in Europe that has the browser removed .
Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in , ship another browser or ship multiple browsers , according to a confidential memo that was sent to PC makers and seen by CNET News .
" There 's also a report at Ars Technica .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>jimmi\_hendrix was one of several people to note CNET's report that   'Microsoft plans to remove Internet Explorer from the versions of Windows 7 that it ships in Europe, CNET News has learned.
Reacting to antitrust concerns expressed by European regulators, Microsoft plans to offer a version in Europe that has the browser removed.
Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsers, according to a confidential memo that was sent to PC makers and seen by CNET News.
" There's also a report at Ars Technica.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305745</id>
	<title>Re:i still dont see the logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244805060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can only assume you're joking here.</p><p>IE version 1 was significantly worse than Netscape. I seem to remember that the original version of IE was based upon Mosaic which was the browser written by the Netscape guys before they started on Netscape.</p><p>With respect to IE not being charged for. I think that's very much a matter of looking at any part of the OS and questioning if it's being charge for. MS is not a charity. Is Notepad free? Is Outlook free? Is the task bar free? If the answer to any of those is no, then why do you think IE is free. At best IE is a loss leader but in reality  you are paying for it by virtue of the fact that you are paying for Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can only assume you 're joking here.IE version 1 was significantly worse than Netscape .
I seem to remember that the original version of IE was based upon Mosaic which was the browser written by the Netscape guys before they started on Netscape.With respect to IE not being charged for .
I think that 's very much a matter of looking at any part of the OS and questioning if it 's being charge for .
MS is not a charity .
Is Notepad free ?
Is Outlook free ?
Is the task bar free ?
If the answer to any of those is no , then why do you think IE is free .
At best IE is a loss leader but in reality you are paying for it by virtue of the fact that you are paying for Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can only assume you're joking here.IE version 1 was significantly worse than Netscape.
I seem to remember that the original version of IE was based upon Mosaic which was the browser written by the Netscape guys before they started on Netscape.With respect to IE not being charged for.
I think that's very much a matter of looking at any part of the OS and questioning if it's being charge for.
MS is not a charity.
Is Notepad free?
Is Outlook free?
Is the task bar free?
If the answer to any of those is no, then why do you think IE is free.
At best IE is a loss leader but in reality  you are paying for it by virtue of the fact that you are paying for Windows.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300929</id>
	<title>Re:Total protectionism by the EU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244717160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>lol</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>lol</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lol</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300577</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it just me, but how I gonna download firefox or opera, or ie if I really want it WITHOUT a preinstalled browser?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it just me , but how I gon na download firefox or opera , or ie if I really want it WITHOUT a preinstalled browser ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it just me, but how I gonna download firefox or opera, or ie if I really want it WITHOUT a preinstalled browser?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301207</id>
	<title>B..bb...but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244718180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how will we download firefox when we first install windows?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how will we download firefox when we first install windows ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how will we download firefox when we first install windows?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303631</id>
	<title>Re:windows update</title>
	<author>Shados</author>
	<datestamp>1244734620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since Vista, you can't even USE a browser -at all- to use windows update (that is, the actual windows update service. Obviously you can download the updates through the website if you want, but its not the automated stuff).</p><p>The browser version of Windows Update's last supported version is XP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since Vista , you ca n't even USE a browser -at all- to use windows update ( that is , the actual windows update service .
Obviously you can download the updates through the website if you want , but its not the automated stuff ) .The browser version of Windows Update 's last supported version is XP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since Vista, you can't even USE a browser -at all- to use windows update (that is, the actual windows update service.
Obviously you can download the updates through the website if you want, but its not the automated stuff).The browser version of Windows Update's last supported version is XP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301091</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300107</id>
	<title>Why are we deprived of this in North America?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm jealous - we should be offered the same deal here in good old North America</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm jealous - we should be offered the same deal here in good old North America</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm jealous - we should be offered the same deal here in good old North America</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302117</id>
	<title>Re:Unlike IE, you can actually stop using Safari..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244722560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I take it you've never used Windows Vista or Windows 7. Internet Explorer has not been part of explorer or windows update for years. In windows 7 you can uninstall IE, leaving behind only the rendering engine for applications that require it. If you set another broswer to be your default, you will never see IE in Vista and 7.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I take it you 've never used Windows Vista or Windows 7 .
Internet Explorer has not been part of explorer or windows update for years .
In windows 7 you can uninstall IE , leaving behind only the rendering engine for applications that require it .
If you set another broswer to be your default , you will never see IE in Vista and 7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I take it you've never used Windows Vista or Windows 7.
Internet Explorer has not been part of explorer or windows update for years.
In windows 7 you can uninstall IE, leaving behind only the rendering engine for applications that require it.
If you set another broswer to be your default, you will never see IE in Vista and 7.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300629</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300485</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You don't even need to RTFA. RTFS:<blockquote><div><p>Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsers</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't even need to RTFA .
RTFS : Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in , ship another browser or ship multiple browsers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't even need to RTFA.
RTFS:Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsers
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300255</id>
	<title>Doubt this will affect much</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any OEM with any brains at all will re-add IE to their system images, lest they field a mass of tech support calls claiming their computer doesn't have 'the internet' because they don't see the big blue E on the desktop.</p><p>This will only affect people buying at retail who likely already know how to install and configure an alternative browser, but now have to download via FTP or flash drive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any OEM with any brains at all will re-add IE to their system images , lest they field a mass of tech support calls claiming their computer does n't have 'the internet ' because they do n't see the big blue E on the desktop.This will only affect people buying at retail who likely already know how to install and configure an alternative browser , but now have to download via FTP or flash drive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any OEM with any brains at all will re-add IE to their system images, lest they field a mass of tech support calls claiming their computer doesn't have 'the internet' because they don't see the big blue E on the desktop.This will only affect people buying at retail who likely already know how to install and configure an alternative browser, but now have to download via FTP or flash drive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28413235</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245576300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you support so many friends/family that this is a chore, then there is a simple solution.  Create a CD with an autorun BAT file that installs a bunch of useful free software.  If they can turn the computer on, then surely they can stretch to putting a CD in the drive, (and maybe click on "run this software" depending on how Win7 handles auto-run CDs).  Now you can set up the computer without even having to see it.  Alternatively you could charge for doing the support, or maybe even just say no.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you support so many friends/family that this is a chore , then there is a simple solution .
Create a CD with an autorun BAT file that installs a bunch of useful free software .
If they can turn the computer on , then surely they can stretch to putting a CD in the drive , ( and maybe click on " run this software " depending on how Win7 handles auto-run CDs ) .
Now you can set up the computer without even having to see it .
Alternatively you could charge for doing the support , or maybe even just say no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you support so many friends/family that this is a chore, then there is a simple solution.
Create a CD with an autorun BAT file that installs a bunch of useful free software.
If they can turn the computer on, then surely they can stretch to putting a CD in the drive, (and maybe click on "run this software" depending on how Win7 handles auto-run CDs).
Now you can set up the computer without even having to see it.
Alternatively you could charge for doing the support, or maybe even just say no.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301429</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>JamesP</author>
	<datestamp>1244719020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess the PC manufacturer will preinstall something.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess the PC manufacturer will preinstall something .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess the PC manufacturer will preinstall something.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300743</id>
	<title>Re:i still dont see the logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244716380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If someone wants a new browser they should get it themselves. Can someone explain to me why bundling IE with windows is considered to be a trust? MS doesn't charge any money for it, and it was better than Netscape when it came out, why is it all of the sudden a trust and not a trust 15 years ago?</p></div><p>It was antitrust 15 years ago.  The DOJ found for Netscape.  Then we elected Bush, and the enforcement of the ruling went out the window.</p><p>(BTW, it's antitrust because MS leveraged their OS monopoly to gain market share for their browser, after Netscape turned down their purchase offer.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone wants a new browser they should get it themselves .
Can someone explain to me why bundling IE with windows is considered to be a trust ?
MS does n't charge any money for it , and it was better than Netscape when it came out , why is it all of the sudden a trust and not a trust 15 years ago ? It was antitrust 15 years ago .
The DOJ found for Netscape .
Then we elected Bush , and the enforcement of the ruling went out the window .
( BTW , it 's antitrust because MS leveraged their OS monopoly to gain market share for their browser , after Netscape turned down their purchase offer .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone wants a new browser they should get it themselves.
Can someone explain to me why bundling IE with windows is considered to be a trust?
MS doesn't charge any money for it, and it was better than Netscape when it came out, why is it all of the sudden a trust and not a trust 15 years ago?It was antitrust 15 years ago.
The DOJ found for Netscape.
Then we elected Bush, and the enforcement of the ruling went out the window.
(BTW, it's antitrust because MS leveraged their OS monopoly to gain market share for their browser, after Netscape turned down their purchase offer.
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305169</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>RAMMS+EIN</author>
	<datestamp>1244840040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>``This isn't progress, this is a punishment to each and every one of us.''</p><p>If we choose to support Windows, that is.</p><p>I stopped doing that years ago, because I saw it as a sort of punishment in and of itself. The thing is, ideological arguments aside, I use Debian because it requires very little time for maintenance. Supporting any sort of other operating system besides is going to increase the maintenance burden, and that is particularly true if maintenance requires a lot of manual actions or even physical access (which I have needed only once with Debian - and even that was once too often for my taste).</p><p>Nowadays, I just tell people "Sorry, I don't know how to deal with Windows and I have no desire to learn." They turn to somebody who actually likes supporting Windows, and everybody is happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>` ` This is n't progress , this is a punishment to each and every one of us .
''If we choose to support Windows , that is.I stopped doing that years ago , because I saw it as a sort of punishment in and of itself .
The thing is , ideological arguments aside , I use Debian because it requires very little time for maintenance .
Supporting any sort of other operating system besides is going to increase the maintenance burden , and that is particularly true if maintenance requires a lot of manual actions or even physical access ( which I have needed only once with Debian - and even that was once too often for my taste ) .Nowadays , I just tell people " Sorry , I do n't know how to deal with Windows and I have no desire to learn .
" They turn to somebody who actually likes supporting Windows , and everybody is happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>``This isn't progress, this is a punishment to each and every one of us.
''If we choose to support Windows, that is.I stopped doing that years ago, because I saw it as a sort of punishment in and of itself.
The thing is, ideological arguments aside, I use Debian because it requires very little time for maintenance.
Supporting any sort of other operating system besides is going to increase the maintenance burden, and that is particularly true if maintenance requires a lot of manual actions or even physical access (which I have needed only once with Debian - and even that was once too often for my taste).Nowadays, I just tell people "Sorry, I don't know how to deal with Windows and I have no desire to learn.
" They turn to somebody who actually likes supporting Windows, and everybody is happy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300763</id>
	<title>so...</title>
	<author>n30na</author>
	<datestamp>1244716440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will they also ship with a wget equivelant and/or a lynx-style browser?  If it comes with nothing, how will we download firefox?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will they also ship with a wget equivelant and/or a lynx-style browser ?
If it comes with nothing , how will we download firefox ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will they also ship with a wget equivelant and/or a lynx-style browser?
If it comes with nothing, how will we download firefox?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300439</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>rob1980</author>
	<datestamp>1244715300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>FTP?</i> <br> <br>
God help the internet helpdesk people who have to walk 67-year old customers through command line FTP in Windows 7 to get their sparkly new computer online, and the retail people who get yelled at because the computers they sold "don't work", etc.</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTP ?
God help the internet helpdesk people who have to walk 67-year old customers through command line FTP in Windows 7 to get their sparkly new computer online , and the retail people who get yelled at because the computers they sold " do n't work " , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTP?
God help the internet helpdesk people who have to walk 67-year old customers through command line FTP in Windows 7 to get their sparkly new computer online, and the retail people who get yelled at because the computers they sold "don't work", etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300185</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304721</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244746620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My understanding was that windows would ship with a "browser download tool" that would let you select a browser during the OS install.</p></div><p>
&nbsp; <br>Yes, but how will the EU prevent Microsoft gaining a monopoly in browser download tools?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My understanding was that windows would ship with a " browser download tool " that would let you select a browser during the OS install .
  Yes , but how will the EU prevent Microsoft gaining a monopoly in browser download tools ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My understanding was that windows would ship with a "browser download tool" that would let you select a browser during the OS install.
  Yes, but how will the EU prevent Microsoft gaining a monopoly in browser download tools?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300525</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300515</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, so MS lied then</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Um, just when was the US Antitrust trial?
<br>
<br>
How many versions of Windows have been released since then?
<br>
This isn't 1998 anymore..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , just when was the US Antitrust trial ?
How many versions of Windows have been released since then ?
This is n't 1998 anymore. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, just when was the US Antitrust trial?
How many versions of Windows have been released since then?
This isn't 1998 anymore..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300361</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28306959</id>
	<title>Cite, please.</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1244815980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Control Panel: Huh? Not true; that's just standard Windows Explorer.</i></p><p>Since Windows Explorer is also a shell around the HTML control, this is a difference that makes no difference.</p><p><i>About the only "fundamental" part of Windows where their HTML rendering engine is used that I know of at this point is the help system.</i></p><p>Cite, please.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Control Panel : Huh ?
Not true ; that 's just standard Windows Explorer.Since Windows Explorer is also a shell around the HTML control , this is a difference that makes no difference.About the only " fundamental " part of Windows where their HTML rendering engine is used that I know of at this point is the help system.Cite , please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Control Panel: Huh?
Not true; that's just standard Windows Explorer.Since Windows Explorer is also a shell around the HTML control, this is a difference that makes no difference.About the only "fundamental" part of Windows where their HTML rendering engine is used that I know of at this point is the help system.Cite, please.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301541</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28311089</id>
	<title>Re:Here we go again</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1244832900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If Apple ever gained the dominant position in the market, would you support forcing them to remove their browser in their OS?</p></div><p>What market are you talking about? Since Apple doesn't sell a desktop OS it would be pretty hard for them to gain a dominant position. They do sell computer systems though, so if Apple were ever to achieve dominance in the computer system market, then yes I would 100\% absolutely support forcing them to unbundle their OS from their hardware and, if relevant, their browser from their OS. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If Apple ever gained the dominant position in the market , would you support forcing them to remove their browser in their OS ? What market are you talking about ?
Since Apple does n't sell a desktop OS it would be pretty hard for them to gain a dominant position .
They do sell computer systems though , so if Apple were ever to achieve dominance in the computer system market , then yes I would 100 \ % absolutely support forcing them to unbundle their OS from their hardware and , if relevant , their browser from their OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Apple ever gained the dominant position in the market, would you support forcing them to remove their browser in their OS?What market are you talking about?
Since Apple doesn't sell a desktop OS it would be pretty hard for them to gain a dominant position.
They do sell computer systems though, so if Apple were ever to achieve dominance in the computer system market, then yes I would 100\% absolutely support forcing them to unbundle their OS from their hardware and, if relevant, their browser from their OS. 
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28306439</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301449</id>
	<title>Here we go again</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1244719140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Cue hundreds of comments like "why can Apple bundle a browser but not Microsoft" (Apple is not in the same dominant position, and didn't break the law), "EU is a bunch of commie bastards" (ignoring the fact that the US has the exact same antitrust laws as well), and so on. It's the same old drivel every single time. It's as if there is a legion of Microsoft shills just waiting in line to post the same fallacies over and over again every time someone posts about the EU antitrust case. I can't believe that some people still don't get the basic facts of this case.

<p>Sigh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cue hundreds of comments like " why can Apple bundle a browser but not Microsoft " ( Apple is not in the same dominant position , and did n't break the law ) , " EU is a bunch of commie bastards " ( ignoring the fact that the US has the exact same antitrust laws as well ) , and so on .
It 's the same old drivel every single time .
It 's as if there is a legion of Microsoft shills just waiting in line to post the same fallacies over and over again every time someone posts about the EU antitrust case .
I ca n't believe that some people still do n't get the basic facts of this case .
Sigh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cue hundreds of comments like "why can Apple bundle a browser but not Microsoft" (Apple is not in the same dominant position, and didn't break the law), "EU is a bunch of commie bastards" (ignoring the fact that the US has the exact same antitrust laws as well), and so on.
It's the same old drivel every single time.
It's as if there is a legion of Microsoft shills just waiting in line to post the same fallacies over and over again every time someone posts about the EU antitrust case.
I can't believe that some people still don't get the basic facts of this case.
Sigh.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300183</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is what a governing body demanded.  It doesn't have to make sense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is what a governing body demanded .
It does n't have to make sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is what a governing body demanded.
It doesn't have to make sense.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300525</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>miggyb</author>
	<datestamp>1244715540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>My understanding was that windows would ship with a "browser download tool" that would let you select a browser during the OS install. Kind of how they let you choose a search engine for IE now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My understanding was that windows would ship with a " browser download tool " that would let you select a browser during the OS install .
Kind of how they let you choose a search engine for IE now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My understanding was that windows would ship with a "browser download tool" that would let you select a browser during the OS install.
Kind of how they let you choose a search engine for IE now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28308501</id>
	<title>Re:Why are we deprived of this in North America?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244822640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>palm, meet face.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>palm , meet face .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>palm, meet face.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301823</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301535</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1244719560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>And thus Microsoft proves it's point to the EU.</p></div><p>That OEMs will include a browser on their computers?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And thus Microsoft proves it 's point to the EU.That OEMs will include a browser on their computers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And thus Microsoft proves it's point to the EU.That OEMs will include a browser on their computers?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300335</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300629</id>
	<title>Unlike IE, you can actually stop using Safari...</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1244716020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, Microsoft has NOT REMOVED IE. I;ll get back to that.</p><p>Second, Safari is not bound into the Finder and Software Update and System Preferences and so on so that you can't replace Safari with another browser.</p><p>Third, Safari is not bound into the Finder and Software Update and System Preferences and so on so that attackers can use cross-zone exploits to launch ActiveX controls with full local user privileges.</p><p>Safari is just another application. I use Camino on my Mac Mini and Safari never pops up unrequested, the way Internet Explorer does no matter how hard I try and avoid it on Windows.</p><p>Internet Explorer is not just another application, it's a deeply embedded part of the OS. Microsoft has not removed it from Windows, all they've done is hide it from a few of the places it comes into play. It's still there, as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media Player.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , Microsoft has NOT REMOVED IE .
I ; ll get back to that.Second , Safari is not bound into the Finder and Software Update and System Preferences and so on so that you ca n't replace Safari with another browser.Third , Safari is not bound into the Finder and Software Update and System Preferences and so on so that attackers can use cross-zone exploits to launch ActiveX controls with full local user privileges.Safari is just another application .
I use Camino on my Mac Mini and Safari never pops up unrequested , the way Internet Explorer does no matter how hard I try and avoid it on Windows.Internet Explorer is not just another application , it 's a deeply embedded part of the OS .
Microsoft has not removed it from Windows , all they 've done is hide it from a few of the places it comes into play .
It 's still there , as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media Player .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, Microsoft has NOT REMOVED IE.
I;ll get back to that.Second, Safari is not bound into the Finder and Software Update and System Preferences and so on so that you can't replace Safari with another browser.Third, Safari is not bound into the Finder and Software Update and System Preferences and so on so that attackers can use cross-zone exploits to launch ActiveX controls with full local user privileges.Safari is just another application.
I use Camino on my Mac Mini and Safari never pops up unrequested, the way Internet Explorer does no matter how hard I try and avoid it on Windows.Internet Explorer is not just another application, it's a deeply embedded part of the OS.
Microsoft has not removed it from Windows, all they've done is hide it from a few of the places it comes into play.
It's still there, as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media Player.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300409</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301603</id>
	<title>Re:Ecological Disaster?</title>
	<author>dimeglio</author>
	<datestamp>1244719800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF are CDs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF are CDs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF are CDs?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300893</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301353</id>
	<title>Re:What next EU:</title>
	<author>trickyD1ck</author>
	<datestamp>1244718780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey, go away whith your logic, we are having groupthink here!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey , go away whith your logic , we are having groupthink here !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey, go away whith your logic, we are having groupthink here!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300227</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300227</id>
	<title>What next EU:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, the EU made their pointless point.  The ONLY Operating system that can not ship with a Browser is Windows.</p><p>Apple = Free Pass<br>Linux (every flavor) = Free Pass</p><p>What next EU?</p><p>Note pad?  Word Pad?  Calendar?<br>Surely there must be some tiny two man software company in some backwater town that can't sell its Calendar because Windows already has one.</p><p>Yes some of Microsoft's business practices were egregious.  But including a Browser was not one of them.</p><p>Will the EU take its winnings and go home now, or are we going to be subject to another 5 years of whining about imaginary sins of successful companies while they pour billions into Airbus.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , the EU made their pointless point .
The ONLY Operating system that can not ship with a Browser is Windows.Apple = Free PassLinux ( every flavor ) = Free PassWhat next EU ? Note pad ?
Word Pad ?
Calendar ? Surely there must be some tiny two man software company in some backwater town that ca n't sell its Calendar because Windows already has one.Yes some of Microsoft 's business practices were egregious .
But including a Browser was not one of them.Will the EU take its winnings and go home now , or are we going to be subject to another 5 years of whining about imaginary sins of successful companies while they pour billions into Airbus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, the EU made their pointless point.
The ONLY Operating system that can not ship with a Browser is Windows.Apple = Free PassLinux (every flavor) = Free PassWhat next EU?Note pad?
Word Pad?
Calendar?Surely there must be some tiny two man software company in some backwater town that can't sell its Calendar because Windows already has one.Yes some of Microsoft's business practices were egregious.
But including a Browser was not one of them.Will the EU take its winnings and go home now, or are we going to be subject to another 5 years of whining about imaginary sins of successful companies while they pour billions into Airbus.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302753</id>
	<title>Re:What next EU:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244726700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple has OEMs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple has OEMs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple has OEMs?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300213</id>
	<title>i still dont see the logic</title>
	<author>meow27</author>
	<datestamp>1244714640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If someone wants a new browser they should get it themselves. Can someone explain to me why bundling IE with windows is considered to be a trust? MS doesn't charge any money for it, and it was better than Netscape when it came out, why is it all of the sudden a trust and not a trust 15 years ago?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone wants a new browser they should get it themselves .
Can someone explain to me why bundling IE with windows is considered to be a trust ?
MS does n't charge any money for it , and it was better than Netscape when it came out , why is it all of the sudden a trust and not a trust 15 years ago ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone wants a new browser they should get it themselves.
Can someone explain to me why bundling IE with windows is considered to be a trust?
MS doesn't charge any money for it, and it was better than Netscape when it came out, why is it all of the sudden a trust and not a trust 15 years ago?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300715</id>
	<title>Re:Next Step: No Safari in Snow Leopard???</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1244716320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
<i>Microsoft has announced that it will ship a special version of Vista's successor in Europe, titled Windows 7 E, without Internet Explorer 8. The browser-less version, a reaction to an antitrust investigation by the EU into whether Microsoft is abusing its dominant position with Windows and Internet Explorer, will be distributed in all member nations of the European Economic Area as well as Croatia and Switzerland. </i>
</p><p>
The EU antitrust crew aren't investigating Apple for abusing their dominant position with OS X and Safari. (Though they did previously investigate iTMS/DRM music).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft has announced that it will ship a special version of Vista 's successor in Europe , titled Windows 7 E , without Internet Explorer 8 .
The browser-less version , a reaction to an antitrust investigation by the EU into whether Microsoft is abusing its dominant position with Windows and Internet Explorer , will be distributed in all member nations of the European Economic Area as well as Croatia and Switzerland .
The EU antitrust crew are n't investigating Apple for abusing their dominant position with OS X and Safari .
( Though they did previously investigate iTMS/DRM music ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Microsoft has announced that it will ship a special version of Vista's successor in Europe, titled Windows 7 E, without Internet Explorer 8.
The browser-less version, a reaction to an antitrust investigation by the EU into whether Microsoft is abusing its dominant position with Windows and Internet Explorer, will be distributed in all member nations of the European Economic Area as well as Croatia and Switzerland.
The EU antitrust crew aren't investigating Apple for abusing their dominant position with OS X and Safari.
(Though they did previously investigate iTMS/DRM music).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300409</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300375</id>
	<title>The cynicism is laughable</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Reacting to antitrust concerns expressed by European regulators, Microsoft plans to offer a version in Europe that has the browser removed. </i>
<p>
But the rest of you people are totally fucked and will have to deal with what MS deigns to grant you.
</p><p>
Nice.
</p><p>
RS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Reacting to antitrust concerns expressed by European regulators , Microsoft plans to offer a version in Europe that has the browser removed .
But the rest of you people are totally fucked and will have to deal with what MS deigns to grant you .
Nice . RS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Reacting to antitrust concerns expressed by European regulators, Microsoft plans to offer a version in Europe that has the browser removed.
But the rest of you people are totally fucked and will have to deal with what MS deigns to grant you.
Nice.

RS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300701</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, so MS lied then</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244716260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would argue that it does break the OS in the current OS market. What OS does NOT come with a web browser?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would argue that it does break the OS in the current OS market .
What OS does NOT come with a web browser ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would argue that it does break the OS in the current OS market.
What OS does NOT come with a web browser?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300361</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300361</id>
	<title>Oh, so MS lied then</title>
	<author>ScooterComputer</author>
	<datestamp>1244715060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wasn't one of the core arguments that Microsoft made during the US Antitrust trial was that IE could NOT be separated from Windows without fundamentally breaking the OS?</p><p>Sooooo...guess, uh, they lied.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't one of the core arguments that Microsoft made during the US Antitrust trial was that IE could NOT be separated from Windows without fundamentally breaking the OS ? Sooooo...guess , uh , they lied .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't one of the core arguments that Microsoft made during the US Antitrust trial was that IE could NOT be separated from Windows without fundamentally breaking the OS?Sooooo...guess, uh, they lied.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28312613</id>
	<title>Finally</title>
	<author>edrawr</author>
	<datestamp>1244838480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can make netscape my browser, just like all the people who call me and ask for support...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can make netscape my browser , just like all the people who call me and ask for support.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can make netscape my browser, just like all the people who call me and ask for support...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304717</id>
	<title>Re:Ecological Disaster?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1244746560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>WTF are CDs?</p></div><p>They're like 5.25" floppies without the envelope, only reflective and shiny. And you can fit - imagine that - a whopping <b>700 MB</b> on one!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF are CDs ? They 're like 5.25 " floppies without the envelope , only reflective and shiny .
And you can fit - imagine that - a whopping 700 MB on one !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF are CDs?They're like 5.25" floppies without the envelope, only reflective and shiny.
And you can fit - imagine that - a whopping 700 MB on one!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301603</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300749</id>
	<title>Downloadability</title>
	<author>Ohio Calvinist</author>
	<datestamp>1244716380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The nicest thing about having a bundled browser is that you could out-of-the-box download whatever one you wanted. Windows doesn't have anything like <tt>wget</tt> to download the packages over the internet, so if you don't have a browser, you're going to have a hard time getting one. When I was working with NT 3.51 (past its intended lifespan) trying to get drivers off the internet on a clean install sucked pretty bad, as I had to install a browser first to get anywhere.<br> <br>
The biggest problem I see is that IE was non-removable, which does present an issue. Amost all OS packages include a browser these days (FF/Iceweasel in *nix, Safari on Mac, IE on Windows), but the difference is that IE was unremovable. <br> <br>
I'm with them in that MS would not be able to stop OEMs from including other browsers. I think it is going a step-to-far to force MS to not include a browser as a part of it's OS offering given almost all their competitors do. No matter how much you love FF or hate all things Microsoft it seems extremely unreasonable. It also sets a bad precident in that now someone can complain and get other builtin software removed because of the competition issue... think WinZIP, WS\_FTP, util you've stripped down the OS (Windows or otherwise) that does next to nothing out of the box and won't lower Windows' cost.<br> <br>
I love Linux, but it seems its' get-adoptors-by-being-free-as-in-beer is exactly what pissed Netscape off when MS started giving IE away, and if Linux ever does get a foothold, regulators could start demanding what packages end up in the "default" install rather than the market, which really sucks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The nicest thing about having a bundled browser is that you could out-of-the-box download whatever one you wanted .
Windows does n't have anything like wget to download the packages over the internet , so if you do n't have a browser , you 're going to have a hard time getting one .
When I was working with NT 3.51 ( past its intended lifespan ) trying to get drivers off the internet on a clean install sucked pretty bad , as I had to install a browser first to get anywhere .
The biggest problem I see is that IE was non-removable , which does present an issue .
Amost all OS packages include a browser these days ( FF/Iceweasel in * nix , Safari on Mac , IE on Windows ) , but the difference is that IE was unremovable .
I 'm with them in that MS would not be able to stop OEMs from including other browsers .
I think it is going a step-to-far to force MS to not include a browser as a part of it 's OS offering given almost all their competitors do .
No matter how much you love FF or hate all things Microsoft it seems extremely unreasonable .
It also sets a bad precident in that now someone can complain and get other builtin software removed because of the competition issue... think WinZIP , WS \ _FTP , util you 've stripped down the OS ( Windows or otherwise ) that does next to nothing out of the box and wo n't lower Windows ' cost .
I love Linux , but it seems its ' get-adoptors-by-being-free-as-in-beer is exactly what pissed Netscape off when MS started giving IE away , and if Linux ever does get a foothold , regulators could start demanding what packages end up in the " default " install rather than the market , which really sucks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The nicest thing about having a bundled browser is that you could out-of-the-box download whatever one you wanted.
Windows doesn't have anything like wget to download the packages over the internet, so if you don't have a browser, you're going to have a hard time getting one.
When I was working with NT 3.51 (past its intended lifespan) trying to get drivers off the internet on a clean install sucked pretty bad, as I had to install a browser first to get anywhere.
The biggest problem I see is that IE was non-removable, which does present an issue.
Amost all OS packages include a browser these days (FF/Iceweasel in *nix, Safari on Mac, IE on Windows), but the difference is that IE was unremovable.
I'm with them in that MS would not be able to stop OEMs from including other browsers.
I think it is going a step-to-far to force MS to not include a browser as a part of it's OS offering given almost all their competitors do.
No matter how much you love FF or hate all things Microsoft it seems extremely unreasonable.
It also sets a bad precident in that now someone can complain and get other builtin software removed because of the competition issue... think WinZIP, WS\_FTP, util you've stripped down the OS (Windows or otherwise) that does next to nothing out of the box and won't lower Windows' cost.
I love Linux, but it seems its' get-adoptors-by-being-free-as-in-beer is exactly what pissed Netscape off when MS started giving IE away, and if Linux ever does get a foothold, regulators could start demanding what packages end up in the "default" install rather than the market, which really sucks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300325</id>
	<title>Total protectionism by the EU</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1244715000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once again the EU rears its protectionist head.  Free trade?  A joke to them.  They can't help but skewer a successful American company in some way, either by subsidizing the development of their own competition, or, using their maze of regulations to try and screw them.</p><p>It's time to raise tariffs on the EU, and put to bed this foolish free trade thing once and for all.</p><p>There is no such thing as free trade.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once again the EU rears its protectionist head .
Free trade ?
A joke to them .
They ca n't help but skewer a successful American company in some way , either by subsidizing the development of their own competition , or , using their maze of regulations to try and screw them.It 's time to raise tariffs on the EU , and put to bed this foolish free trade thing once and for all.There is no such thing as free trade .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once again the EU rears its protectionist head.
Free trade?
A joke to them.
They can't help but skewer a successful American company in some way, either by subsidizing the development of their own competition, or, using their maze of regulations to try and screw them.It's time to raise tariffs on the EU, and put to bed this foolish free trade thing once and for all.There is no such thing as free trade.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304727</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1244746740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>duh... you didn't have the foresight to stick a copy onto your pen drive? Than I don't think you have the competency to re-install an operating system.</p></div><p>You do realize that, sometimes, people have to reinstall an OS because it had actually died and cannot be booted into anymore (or, say, networking doesn't work)?</p><p>Cue the "Haha, Linux never does that" replies here...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>duh... you did n't have the foresight to stick a copy onto your pen drive ?
Than I do n't think you have the competency to re-install an operating system.You do realize that , sometimes , people have to reinstall an OS because it had actually died and can not be booted into anymore ( or , say , networking does n't work ) ? Cue the " Haha , Linux never does that " replies here.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>duh... you didn't have the foresight to stick a copy onto your pen drive?
Than I don't think you have the competency to re-install an operating system.You do realize that, sometimes, people have to reinstall an OS because it had actually died and cannot be booted into anymore (or, say, networking doesn't work)?Cue the "Haha, Linux never does that" replies here...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28309015</id>
	<title>Re:How many idiots are there here on Slashdot?</title>
	<author>Mr\_Silver</author>
	<datestamp>1244824920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The machine the end user gets will have a browser. Likely more than one. Probably the blue E and the firefox will be on the desktop. The user can click on either one.</p></div></blockquote><p>Unless the Mozilla Foundation (or Opera) will pay Dell/HP/etc to bundled their browser then I'd expect to see IE installed instead.</p><p>After all, if the OEM isn't going to get any more money out of bundling a different browser, they might as well save costs on people phoning their helpdesk because they can't get "onto the internet" by including IE.</p><p>In short, unless we see some serious money being coughed up - nothing is going to change from what it is now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The machine the end user gets will have a browser .
Likely more than one .
Probably the blue E and the firefox will be on the desktop .
The user can click on either one.Unless the Mozilla Foundation ( or Opera ) will pay Dell/HP/etc to bundled their browser then I 'd expect to see IE installed instead.After all , if the OEM is n't going to get any more money out of bundling a different browser , they might as well save costs on people phoning their helpdesk because they ca n't get " onto the internet " by including IE.In short , unless we see some serious money being coughed up - nothing is going to change from what it is now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The machine the end user gets will have a browser.
Likely more than one.
Probably the blue E and the firefox will be on the desktop.
The user can click on either one.Unless the Mozilla Foundation (or Opera) will pay Dell/HP/etc to bundled their browser then I'd expect to see IE installed instead.After all, if the OEM isn't going to get any more money out of bundling a different browser, they might as well save costs on people phoning their helpdesk because they can't get "onto the internet" by including IE.In short, unless we see some serious money being coughed up - nothing is going to change from what it is now.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302419</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301091</id>
	<title>windows update</title>
	<author>theeddie55</author>
	<datestamp>1244717700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Having taken Internet Explorer out of windows, are microsoft going to let us use the windows update site in firefox, or am i just being optimistic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having taken Internet Explorer out of windows , are microsoft going to let us use the windows update site in firefox , or am i just being optimistic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having taken Internet Explorer out of windows, are microsoft going to let us use the windows update site in firefox, or am i just being optimistic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302345</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244724060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's a reason hindsight is 20/20.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a reason hindsight is 20/20 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a reason hindsight is 20/20.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300465</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300665</id>
	<title>Re:MS Updates</title>
	<author>buchner.johannes</author>
	<datestamp>1244716080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>afaik Windows 7 Updates works with a seperate program, not via the browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>afaik Windows 7 Updates works with a seperate program , not via the browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>afaik Windows 7 Updates works with a seperate program, not via the browser.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300321</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300241</id>
	<title>Choice = Money = Costs money = Choice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We've had Windows Vista Business N, just like that but without the Media Player... and there was no way to install the player.<br>It's a good thing the OS comes without a browser, Apple should be forced to deliver the Mac without Safari too.</p><p>Of course parties should be free to give a second CD with the browser to  install it, but at least people will know they install it in that case, and have a choice to install another one.<br>Will it cost money? Sure. But choice always does, doesn't it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 've had Windows Vista Business N , just like that but without the Media Player... and there was no way to install the player.It 's a good thing the OS comes without a browser , Apple should be forced to deliver the Mac without Safari too.Of course parties should be free to give a second CD with the browser to install it , but at least people will know they install it in that case , and have a choice to install another one.Will it cost money ?
Sure. But choice always does , does n't it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We've had Windows Vista Business N, just like that but without the Media Player... and there was no way to install the player.It's a good thing the OS comes without a browser, Apple should be forced to deliver the Mac without Safari too.Of course parties should be free to give a second CD with the browser to  install it, but at least people will know they install it in that case, and have a choice to install another one.Will it cost money?
Sure. But choice always does, doesn't it?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300959</id>
	<title>Deal with OEM ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244717220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is to keep MS out from making deals with OEM, like offering discounts on Windows 7 if they install IE, or just don't install other browsers?<br>It isn't very Microsoft'ish to just let things go the way they don't want..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is to keep MS out from making deals with OEM , like offering discounts on Windows 7 if they install IE , or just do n't install other browsers ? It is n't very Microsoft'ish to just let things go the way they do n't want. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is to keep MS out from making deals with OEM, like offering discounts on Windows 7 if they install IE, or just don't install other browsers?It isn't very Microsoft'ish to just let things go the way they don't want..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28306765</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244814960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LOL.  A problem?  Not for me.  All my friends and family have been moved to Linux.  Why would I leave them suffering with Windows?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL .
A problem ?
Not for me .
All my friends and family have been moved to Linux .
Why would I leave them suffering with Windows ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL.
A problem?
Not for me.
All my friends and family have been moved to Linux.
Why would I leave them suffering with Windows?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301191</id>
	<title>Re:Why are we deprived of this in North America?</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1244718120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd almost be tempted to buy to support that move but I don't want to support MS and buy an OS I wouldn't use.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd almost be tempted to buy to support that move but I do n't want to support MS and buy an OS I would n't use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd almost be tempted to buy to support that move but I don't want to support MS and buy an OS I wouldn't use.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300107</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28307613</id>
	<title>IE not unbundled</title>
	<author>viralMeme</author>
	<datestamp>1244819400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What it actually says is that browsing functionality will be disabled in Windows 7. Remember the help system still requires the core HTML rendering engine. As does any web applets, like embedded search in the applications, such as Microsoft Office.<br> <br>

'The E versions of Windows 7 will include all the features and functionality of Windows 7 in the rest of the world, <a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/06/windows-7-to-be-shipped-in-europe-sans-internet-explorer.ars" title="arstechnica.com">other than browsing with Internet Explorer</a> [arstechnica.com]'</htmltext>
<tokenext>What it actually says is that browsing functionality will be disabled in Windows 7 .
Remember the help system still requires the core HTML rendering engine .
As does any web applets , like embedded search in the applications , such as Microsoft Office .
'The E versions of Windows 7 will include all the features and functionality of Windows 7 in the rest of the world , other than browsing with Internet Explorer [ arstechnica.com ] '</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What it actually says is that browsing functionality will be disabled in Windows 7.
Remember the help system still requires the core HTML rendering engine.
As does any web applets, like embedded search in the applications, such as Microsoft Office.
'The E versions of Windows 7 will include all the features and functionality of Windows 7 in the rest of the world, other than browsing with Internet Explorer [arstechnica.com]'</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301823</id>
	<title>Re:Why are we deprived of this in North America?</title>
	<author>mirshafie</author>
	<datestamp>1244720940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Irony is not hot anymore)</p><p>I think it sucks that they won't package IE, and the EU needs to stop meddling with these things. If they want to support open source software by doing something useful or donating money, that would be great, but to cripple a OS over it is weak. What if they forced everyone to include every alternative software bundled with the product, and what decides which alternative programs will get the special treatment?</p><p>Sure, it would be cool to have a Windows install DVD with a special installer that lets you choose exactly what browser, media player, IM etc you want. Perhaps get the latest install files from the internet automatically. But it seems more like something for The Pirate Bay.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Irony is not hot anymore ) I think it sucks that they wo n't package IE , and the EU needs to stop meddling with these things .
If they want to support open source software by doing something useful or donating money , that would be great , but to cripple a OS over it is weak .
What if they forced everyone to include every alternative software bundled with the product , and what decides which alternative programs will get the special treatment ? Sure , it would be cool to have a Windows install DVD with a special installer that lets you choose exactly what browser , media player , IM etc you want .
Perhaps get the latest install files from the internet automatically .
But it seems more like something for The Pirate Bay .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Irony is not hot anymore)I think it sucks that they won't package IE, and the EU needs to stop meddling with these things.
If they want to support open source software by doing something useful or donating money, that would be great, but to cripple a OS over it is weak.
What if they forced everyone to include every alternative software bundled with the product, and what decides which alternative programs will get the special treatment?Sure, it would be cool to have a Windows install DVD with a special installer that lets you choose exactly what browser, media player, IM etc you want.
Perhaps get the latest install files from the internet automatically.
But it seems more like something for The Pirate Bay.
:)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300107</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305695</id>
	<title>Inconvenient...</title>
	<author>CJSpil</author>
	<datestamp>1244804400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Windows 7 ships without IE installed, how am I going to download Firefox?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Windows 7 ships without IE installed , how am I going to download Firefox ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Windows 7 ships without IE installed, how am I going to download Firefox?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301145</id>
	<title>Re:Unlike IE, you can actually stop using Safari..</title>
	<author>Actually, I do RTFA</author>
	<datestamp>1244717880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Microsoft has not removed it from Windows, all they've done is hide it from a few of the places it comes into play. It's still there, as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media Player</p></div></blockquote><p>Citation please?  I thought Vista did just that.</p><blockquote><div><p>Safari is just another application. I use Camino on my Mac Mini and Safari never pops up unrequested, the way Internet Explorer does no matter how hard I try and avoid it on Windows.</p></div></blockquote><p>Never had IE pop up unless I asked it to.  How does it happen to you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft has not removed it from Windows , all they 've done is hide it from a few of the places it comes into play .
It 's still there , as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media PlayerCitation please ?
I thought Vista did just that.Safari is just another application .
I use Camino on my Mac Mini and Safari never pops up unrequested , the way Internet Explorer does no matter how hard I try and avoid it on Windows.Never had IE pop up unless I asked it to .
How does it happen to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft has not removed it from Windows, all they've done is hide it from a few of the places it comes into play.
It's still there, as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media PlayerCitation please?
I thought Vista did just that.Safari is just another application.
I use Camino on my Mac Mini and Safari never pops up unrequested, the way Internet Explorer does no matter how hard I try and avoid it on Windows.Never had IE pop up unless I asked it to.
How does it happen to you.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301923</id>
	<title>This misses the point.</title>
	<author>maxxard</author>
	<datestamp>1244721360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can see software sellers in the EU using it as an excuse to bundle a version of IE with their software. Quite a lot of software requires a minimum version of IE. It will quickly become different versions of IE, and they won't miss the opportunity to customise it with their own crapware too. Don't be surprised if MS offer IE for bundling with other apps as well, some of which might end up installed as trial versions on new PCs. Then there will be the shady accounting practises from the PC sellers, suggesting that the income they get from the crapware covers the cost of the MS licence, and look, nothing has changed.

If the EU wanted to get serious, they should insist that all PCs are sold with the OS as an optional item in the package - an option you don't have to pay for if you don't want it. I think MS have diverted their attention from this aspect of PC sales quite successfully with the fallout from the browser wars last century. Perhaps that was what it was all about from the start.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can see software sellers in the EU using it as an excuse to bundle a version of IE with their software .
Quite a lot of software requires a minimum version of IE .
It will quickly become different versions of IE , and they wo n't miss the opportunity to customise it with their own crapware too .
Do n't be surprised if MS offer IE for bundling with other apps as well , some of which might end up installed as trial versions on new PCs .
Then there will be the shady accounting practises from the PC sellers , suggesting that the income they get from the crapware covers the cost of the MS licence , and look , nothing has changed .
If the EU wanted to get serious , they should insist that all PCs are sold with the OS as an optional item in the package - an option you do n't have to pay for if you do n't want it .
I think MS have diverted their attention from this aspect of PC sales quite successfully with the fallout from the browser wars last century .
Perhaps that was what it was all about from the start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can see software sellers in the EU using it as an excuse to bundle a version of IE with their software.
Quite a lot of software requires a minimum version of IE.
It will quickly become different versions of IE, and they won't miss the opportunity to customise it with their own crapware too.
Don't be surprised if MS offer IE for bundling with other apps as well, some of which might end up installed as trial versions on new PCs.
Then there will be the shady accounting practises from the PC sellers, suggesting that the income they get from the crapware covers the cost of the MS licence, and look, nothing has changed.
If the EU wanted to get serious, they should insist that all PCs are sold with the OS as an optional item in the package - an option you don't have to pay for if you don't want it.
I think MS have diverted their attention from this aspect of PC sales quite successfully with the fallout from the browser wars last century.
Perhaps that was what it was all about from the start.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300863</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1244716800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't be confused: in the article submission it is clearly stated that a browser will be included: either IE, another browser, or a number of browsers.</p><p>Glad I could help. All I had to do is read. Where I grew up, we learned reading alongside writing, but I guess you missed some of your classes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't be confused : in the article submission it is clearly stated that a browser will be included : either IE , another browser , or a number of browsers.Glad I could help .
All I had to do is read .
Where I grew up , we learned reading alongside writing , but I guess you missed some of your classes : D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't be confused: in the article submission it is clearly stated that a browser will be included: either IE, another browser, or a number of browsers.Glad I could help.
All I had to do is read.
Where I grew up, we learned reading alongside writing, but I guess you missed some of your classes :D</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301247</id>
	<title>Re:I don't understand you guys...</title>
	<author>Tibor the Hun</author>
	<datestamp>1244718360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>allright,<br>although this has been mentioned on slash about a million times before, here it goes:</p><p>-there are other ways to install a browser, you can have a downloader supplied, you can do it via FTP, or you can simply pick up a CD.<br>-IE is insecure, and simply having it on your system is a risk. someone may accidentally use it, other programs with vulns can invoke it etc.<br>-apple does not have a monopoly on the consumer OS. And even if they did, they're not abusing it.</p><p>Microsoft was not found guilty of being a monopoly. They were found guilty of abusing it.<br>Welcome to slashdot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>allright,although this has been mentioned on slash about a million times before , here it goes : -there are other ways to install a browser , you can have a downloader supplied , you can do it via FTP , or you can simply pick up a CD.-IE is insecure , and simply having it on your system is a risk .
someone may accidentally use it , other programs with vulns can invoke it etc.-apple does not have a monopoly on the consumer OS .
And even if they did , they 're not abusing it.Microsoft was not found guilty of being a monopoly .
They were found guilty of abusing it.Welcome to slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>allright,although this has been mentioned on slash about a million times before, here it goes:-there are other ways to install a browser, you can have a downloader supplied, you can do it via FTP, or you can simply pick up a CD.-IE is insecure, and simply having it on your system is a risk.
someone may accidentally use it, other programs with vulns can invoke it etc.-apple does not have a monopoly on the consumer OS.
And even if they did, they're not abusing it.Microsoft was not found guilty of being a monopoly.
They were found guilty of abusing it.Welcome to slashdot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300865</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303187</id>
	<title>Can't give it away for free</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244730480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate internet explorer just as much as the next guy, but do we have to go so far as make it illegal for someone to give away free software?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate internet explorer just as much as the next guy , but do we have to go so far as make it illegal for someone to give away free software ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate internet explorer just as much as the next guy, but do we have to go so far as make it illegal for someone to give away free software?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300899</id>
	<title>Does that mean I can install ANY browser I want?</title>
	<author>Klistvud</author>
	<datestamp>1244716980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've heard of this fast, sleek, free browser called IceWeasel. Apparently, it gets installed in mere minutes, including all its accompanying dll's and stuff (the bundle is called Debian Lenny or something like that). And, purely as a bonus, it makes your system seem twice as fast!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard of this fast , sleek , free browser called IceWeasel .
Apparently , it gets installed in mere minutes , including all its accompanying dll 's and stuff ( the bundle is called Debian Lenny or something like that ) .
And , purely as a bonus , it makes your system seem twice as fast !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard of this fast, sleek, free browser called IceWeasel.
Apparently, it gets installed in mere minutes, including all its accompanying dll's and stuff (the bundle is called Debian Lenny or something like that).
And, purely as a bonus, it makes your system seem twice as fast!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300531</id>
	<title>Re:i still dont see the logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Browser developers have developed a huge ego, but the fact of the matter is that most users don't seem to care which browser they use. The only way to increase their share is to become the "default" on the back of some other successful software (OSX, Windows, Ubuntu), or bundle with other software and hope the user misses the default tag (Itunes + Safari).</p><p>Users don't care, so browser devs have to go to the users. This is just another extension of Microsoft vs Google for as much internet revenue as they can get (default search page).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Browser developers have developed a huge ego , but the fact of the matter is that most users do n't seem to care which browser they use .
The only way to increase their share is to become the " default " on the back of some other successful software ( OSX , Windows , Ubuntu ) , or bundle with other software and hope the user misses the default tag ( Itunes + Safari ) .Users do n't care , so browser devs have to go to the users .
This is just another extension of Microsoft vs Google for as much internet revenue as they can get ( default search page ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Browser developers have developed a huge ego, but the fact of the matter is that most users don't seem to care which browser they use.
The only way to increase their share is to become the "default" on the back of some other successful software (OSX, Windows, Ubuntu), or bundle with other software and hope the user misses the default tag (Itunes + Safari).Users don't care, so browser devs have to go to the users.
This is just another extension of Microsoft vs Google for as much internet revenue as they can get (default search page).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301545</id>
	<title>Re:Total protectionism by the EU</title>
	<author>Zaiff Urgulbunger</author>
	<datestamp>1244719560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>You do know that MS was found guilty in the US don't you? You also know that the EU has imposed huge fines on EU based companies too don't you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do know that MS was found guilty in the US do n't you ?
You also know that the EU has imposed huge fines on EU based companies too do n't you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do know that MS was found guilty in the US don't you?
You also know that the EU has imposed huge fines on EU based companies too don't you?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300559</id>
	<title>Well, I hope it comes with lynx then</title>
	<author>gringofrijolero</author>
	<datestamp>1244715660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so I can download a copy of IE...</p><p>This is so stupid. Why couldn't they have just told MS not to break third party software? And so what if they do anyway? Who says you HAVE to use a windows machine? A better solution would be to revoke some of their copyrights so others could compete more effectively.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so I can download a copy of IE...This is so stupid .
Why could n't they have just told MS not to break third party software ?
And so what if they do anyway ?
Who says you HAVE to use a windows machine ?
A better solution would be to revoke some of their copyrights so others could compete more effectively .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so I can download a copy of IE...This is so stupid.
Why couldn't they have just told MS not to break third party software?
And so what if they do anyway?
Who says you HAVE to use a windows machine?
A better solution would be to revoke some of their copyrights so others could compete more effectively.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28308147</id>
	<title>Stupid decision</title>
	<author>fearlezz</author>
	<datestamp>1244821320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MSIE may stink and may be insecure. But still, it's a LOT more secure than any 2-year old firefox/opera/safari browser. On a lot of installations I've seen, Firefox hasn't been updating for years as the user doesn't have permission to install updates. MSIE is (by default) updated by windows update.</p><p>Therefore MSIE is a lot more secure to the average user. Hate to admit it, but when one of my family members wants a reinstall, they get MSIE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MSIE may stink and may be insecure .
But still , it 's a LOT more secure than any 2-year old firefox/opera/safari browser .
On a lot of installations I 've seen , Firefox has n't been updating for years as the user does n't have permission to install updates .
MSIE is ( by default ) updated by windows update.Therefore MSIE is a lot more secure to the average user .
Hate to admit it , but when one of my family members wants a reinstall , they get MSIE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MSIE may stink and may be insecure.
But still, it's a LOT more secure than any 2-year old firefox/opera/safari browser.
On a lot of installations I've seen, Firefox hasn't been updating for years as the user doesn't have permission to install updates.
MSIE is (by default) updated by windows update.Therefore MSIE is a lot more secure to the average user.
Hate to admit it, but when one of my family members wants a reinstall, they get MSIE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305881</id>
	<title>Apple not monopoly: official</title>
	<author>itsdapead</author>
	<datestamp>1244806560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple = Free Pass
Linux (every flavor) = Free Pass</p></div><p>As others have pointed out, that's because <i>Apple doesn't have a monopoly in the field desktop operating systems</i> and that has now been <a href="http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/11/18/judge\_grants\_apples\_motion\_to\_dismiss\_psystars\_counterclaims.html" title="appleinsider.com">tested in court</a> [appleinsider.com]
</p><p>As for Linux, I count about a dozen different web-browsers on offer in the <a href="http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/web/" title="ubuntu.com">Ubuntu distribution.</a> [ubuntu.com] - and all the EU required of MS was to offer a choice, not to unbundle IE.
</p><p>However, I am inclined to agree that 1994 is on the phone and wants its problem back.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple = Free Pass Linux ( every flavor ) = Free PassAs others have pointed out , that 's because Apple does n't have a monopoly in the field desktop operating systems and that has now been tested in court [ appleinsider.com ] As for Linux , I count about a dozen different web-browsers on offer in the Ubuntu distribution .
[ ubuntu.com ] - and all the EU required of MS was to offer a choice , not to unbundle IE .
However , I am inclined to agree that 1994 is on the phone and wants its problem back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple = Free Pass
Linux (every flavor) = Free PassAs others have pointed out, that's because Apple doesn't have a monopoly in the field desktop operating systems and that has now been tested in court [appleinsider.com]
As for Linux, I count about a dozen different web-browsers on offer in the Ubuntu distribution.
[ubuntu.com] - and all the EU required of MS was to offer a choice, not to unbundle IE.
However, I am inclined to agree that 1994 is on the phone and wants its problem back.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300227</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301003</id>
	<title>And with what Pc makers will ship it with ?</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1244717400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>ie of course. since they are selling to distribution outlets which are generally ms vendors, or have connections to ms vendors, they will prefer ie. why not bundle it with firefox, while shipping a ms os ?</p><p>no. not good enough.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ie of course .
since they are selling to distribution outlets which are generally ms vendors , or have connections to ms vendors , they will prefer ie .
why not bundle it with firefox , while shipping a ms os ? no .
not good enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ie of course.
since they are selling to distribution outlets which are generally ms vendors, or have connections to ms vendors, they will prefer ie.
why not bundle it with firefox, while shipping a ms os ?no.
not good enough.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301807</id>
	<title>I can see the commercials now.</title>
	<author>Deathlizard</author>
	<datestamp>1244720880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MAC: Hello, I'm A Mac<br>PC: And I'm a PC (PC is holding up a chicken statue in one hand and an Egg, in another)<br>MAC: Say, you should see my new picture collection of my trip to Cupertino that I posted on Facebook using IPhoto? They came out great.<br>PC: (stares intently at the chicken and egg.) You don't say. I'd love to but I can't until I figure this out<br>MAC: Figure what out?<br>PC: Well, since Windows 7 doesn't ship with a browser anymore, I can't look at webpages, and since I can't look at webpages anymore I can't get a browser. It's so philosophical.<br>MAC: I see. well, Macs come with Safari, the worlds fastest web browser, so you can browse the internet out of the box.<br>PC: Must be nice.<br>MAC, Well, since you can't look at my page, how would you like to listen to my new MP3 Mix tape I made using Garageband. It sounds awesome.<br>PC: Well.....<br>(Show picture of IMac with the Mac Background)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MAC : Hello , I 'm A MacPC : And I 'm a PC ( PC is holding up a chicken statue in one hand and an Egg , in another ) MAC : Say , you should see my new picture collection of my trip to Cupertino that I posted on Facebook using IPhoto ?
They came out great.PC : ( stares intently at the chicken and egg .
) You do n't say .
I 'd love to but I ca n't until I figure this outMAC : Figure what out ? PC : Well , since Windows 7 does n't ship with a browser anymore , I ca n't look at webpages , and since I ca n't look at webpages anymore I ca n't get a browser .
It 's so philosophical.MAC : I see .
well , Macs come with Safari , the worlds fastest web browser , so you can browse the internet out of the box.PC : Must be nice.MAC , Well , since you ca n't look at my page , how would you like to listen to my new MP3 Mix tape I made using Garageband .
It sounds awesome.PC : Well..... ( Show picture of IMac with the Mac Background )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MAC: Hello, I'm A MacPC: And I'm a PC (PC is holding up a chicken statue in one hand and an Egg, in another)MAC: Say, you should see my new picture collection of my trip to Cupertino that I posted on Facebook using IPhoto?
They came out great.PC: (stares intently at the chicken and egg.
) You don't say.
I'd love to but I can't until I figure this outMAC: Figure what out?PC: Well, since Windows 7 doesn't ship with a browser anymore, I can't look at webpages, and since I can't look at webpages anymore I can't get a browser.
It's so philosophical.MAC: I see.
well, Macs come with Safari, the worlds fastest web browser, so you can browse the internet out of the box.PC: Must be nice.MAC, Well, since you can't look at my page, how would you like to listen to my new MP3 Mix tape I made using Garageband.
It sounds awesome.PC: Well.....(Show picture of IMac with the Mac Background)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300893</id>
	<title>Ecological Disaster?</title>
	<author>Rockoon</author>
	<datestamp>1244716920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anybody familiar enough with the basics to estimate the environmental impact of seperate browser CD's?<br>
<br>
They need to be manufactured: raw materials -&gt; CD pressing factory<br>
They need to make their way to retailers: factory -&gt; retailers<br>
They need to make their way to customers: retailers -&gt; customers<br>
They need to make their way to landfill/recycler: customers -&gt; waste disposal<br>
<br>
I would think that 100,000,000 units in europe would be a conservative estimate over a 10 year period.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody familiar enough with the basics to estimate the environmental impact of seperate browser CD 's ?
They need to be manufactured : raw materials - &gt; CD pressing factory They need to make their way to retailers : factory - &gt; retailers They need to make their way to customers : retailers - &gt; customers They need to make their way to landfill/recycler : customers - &gt; waste disposal I would think that 100,000,000 units in europe would be a conservative estimate over a 10 year period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody familiar enough with the basics to estimate the environmental impact of seperate browser CD's?
They need to be manufactured: raw materials -&gt; CD pressing factory
They need to make their way to retailers: factory -&gt; retailers
They need to make their way to customers: retailers -&gt; customers
They need to make their way to landfill/recycler: customers -&gt; waste disposal

I would think that 100,000,000 units in europe would be a conservative estimate over a 10 year period.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300107</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</id>
	<title>Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm confused. So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall, how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm confused .
So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall , how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm confused.
So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall, how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300233</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?</p></div></blockquote><p>duh... you didn't have the foresight to stick a copy onto your pen drive? Than I don't think you have the competency to re-install an operating system.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox ? duh... you did n't have the foresight to stick a copy onto your pen drive ?
Than I do n't think you have the competency to re-install an operating system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?duh... you didn't have the foresight to stick a copy onto your pen drive?
Than I don't think you have the competency to re-install an operating system.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28306135</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>ais523</author>
	<datestamp>1244809080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You have Mozilla's IP address memorized, but don't know the URL to their FTP site? Or were you just showing off?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have Mozilla 's IP address memorized , but do n't know the URL to their FTP site ?
Or were you just showing off ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have Mozilla's IP address memorized, but don't know the URL to their FTP site?
Or were you just showing off?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300949</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301873</id>
	<title>Ridiculous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244721120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My calculator, notepad, and command prompt applications are at a competitive disadvantage due to Microsoft's practice of bundling commonly desired and useful applications with their operating system.</p><p>Can I sue to have them removed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My calculator , notepad , and command prompt applications are at a competitive disadvantage due to Microsoft 's practice of bundling commonly desired and useful applications with their operating system.Can I sue to have them removed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My calculator, notepad, and command prompt applications are at a competitive disadvantage due to Microsoft's practice of bundling commonly desired and useful applications with their operating system.Can I sue to have them removed?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28309683</id>
	<title>Re:Opera is a parasite</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1244827560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So anyone who reports a crime to the authorities is a parasite? Interesting logic.

<p>Opera can sell its products just fine. It's the dominant mobile browser, after all. The company is doing very well. But Microsoft is still a pain the ass because Opera needs to keep emulating IE bugs because sites are designed for IE instead of open standards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So anyone who reports a crime to the authorities is a parasite ?
Interesting logic .
Opera can sell its products just fine .
It 's the dominant mobile browser , after all .
The company is doing very well .
But Microsoft is still a pain the ass because Opera needs to keep emulating IE bugs because sites are designed for IE instead of open standards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So anyone who reports a crime to the authorities is a parasite?
Interesting logic.
Opera can sell its products just fine.
It's the dominant mobile browser, after all.
The company is doing very well.
But Microsoft is still a pain the ass because Opera needs to keep emulating IE bugs because sites are designed for IE instead of open standards.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303241</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300487</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You download the Firefox install before you reinstall and store it along with the backup of your data.</p><p>You do have backup of your data before attempting to do a full reinstall, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You download the Firefox install before you reinstall and store it along with the backup of your data.You do have backup of your data before attempting to do a full reinstall , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You download the Firefox install before you reinstall and store it along with the backup of your data.You do have backup of your data before attempting to do a full reinstall, right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302797</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244727060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NOTE: YOUR COMPUTER DOES NOT HAVE A WEB BROWSER INSTALLED</p><p>To start browsing the Internet, you may do one of the following:</p><p>1) Click the "Install Internet Explorer" button on the desktop, or</p><p>2) Right-click the taskbar and go to Properties</p><p>2a) Click the "Start Menu" tab.</p><p>2b) Click "Customize..."</p><p>2c) Click "enable Run..." and hit OK</p><p>2d) Click on the Start menu and then click "Run..."</p><p>2e) Type in 'cmd' and hit OK</p><p>2f) At the prompt, type in "ftp ftp.mozilla.org" and follow this process:</p><p>User: anonymous<br>Password: </p><p>cd pub<br>cd firefox<br>cd releases<br>cd latest<br>cd win32<br>ls</p><p>2g) At this point, you will see a list abbreviations for the available languages in Firefox.  Please select the appropriate language code for your language and location (such as en-US or zh-TW)</p><p>cd <br>ls</p><p>2h) Note the Firefox version number in the list</p><p>get "Firefox Setup<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.exe"</p><p>2i) Now, find the installer, double-click it and you're set!  See how easy that was!  (If you experience problems with the installer, you may have downloaded the file in ASCII mode.  Please contact your computer manufacturer for the difference between ASCII and BINARY modes in the command-line FTP client.  We would also like to remind you at this time of the aforementioned first option of double-clicking the "Install Internet Explorer" icon on your desktop.</p><p>If you have any further questions about this process, please consult the brick wall in your back yard.  Alternatively, a Microsoft support professional will answer your questions on a per-incident basis at $450 per incident (or whatever currency it is that you crazy Europeans use).</p><p>Additionally, the European Union requires that we mention other alternatives to Internet Explorer.  And there are some -- several of them, in fact.  One from a prominent North American search engine provider.  Another from a company whose CEO's name rhymes with Leave Cobs.  There's even one made in Oslo, Norway!  Upon request, Microsoft will send you "easy-to-follow" instructions to install any web browser on your new computer.  Please allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery.</p><p>We at Microsoft always strive to give our customers access to the widest array of available options.  Thank you for "choosing" Windows.  Goodbye.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NOTE : YOUR COMPUTER DOES NOT HAVE A WEB BROWSER INSTALLEDTo start browsing the Internet , you may do one of the following : 1 ) Click the " Install Internet Explorer " button on the desktop , or2 ) Right-click the taskbar and go to Properties2a ) Click the " Start Menu " tab.2b ) Click " Customize... " 2c ) Click " enable Run... " and hit OK2d ) Click on the Start menu and then click " Run... " 2e ) Type in 'cmd ' and hit OK2f ) At the prompt , type in " ftp ftp.mozilla.org " and follow this process : User : anonymousPassword : cd pubcd firefoxcd releasescd latestcd win32ls2g ) At this point , you will see a list abbreviations for the available languages in Firefox .
Please select the appropriate language code for your language and location ( such as en-US or zh-TW ) cd ls2h ) Note the Firefox version number in the listget " Firefox Setup .exe " 2i ) Now , find the installer , double-click it and you 're set !
See how easy that was !
( If you experience problems with the installer , you may have downloaded the file in ASCII mode .
Please contact your computer manufacturer for the difference between ASCII and BINARY modes in the command-line FTP client .
We would also like to remind you at this time of the aforementioned first option of double-clicking the " Install Internet Explorer " icon on your desktop.If you have any further questions about this process , please consult the brick wall in your back yard .
Alternatively , a Microsoft support professional will answer your questions on a per-incident basis at $ 450 per incident ( or whatever currency it is that you crazy Europeans use ) .Additionally , the European Union requires that we mention other alternatives to Internet Explorer .
And there are some -- several of them , in fact .
One from a prominent North American search engine provider .
Another from a company whose CEO 's name rhymes with Leave Cobs .
There 's even one made in Oslo , Norway !
Upon request , Microsoft will send you " easy-to-follow " instructions to install any web browser on your new computer .
Please allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery.We at Microsoft always strive to give our customers access to the widest array of available options .
Thank you for " choosing " Windows .
Goodbye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NOTE: YOUR COMPUTER DOES NOT HAVE A WEB BROWSER INSTALLEDTo start browsing the Internet, you may do one of the following:1) Click the "Install Internet Explorer" button on the desktop, or2) Right-click the taskbar and go to Properties2a) Click the "Start Menu" tab.2b) Click "Customize..."2c) Click "enable Run..." and hit OK2d) Click on the Start menu and then click "Run..."2e) Type in 'cmd' and hit OK2f) At the prompt, type in "ftp ftp.mozilla.org" and follow this process:User: anonymousPassword: cd pubcd firefoxcd releasescd latestcd win32ls2g) At this point, you will see a list abbreviations for the available languages in Firefox.
Please select the appropriate language code for your language and location (such as en-US or zh-TW)cd ls2h) Note the Firefox version number in the listget "Firefox Setup .exe"2i) Now, find the installer, double-click it and you're set!
See how easy that was!
(If you experience problems with the installer, you may have downloaded the file in ASCII mode.
Please contact your computer manufacturer for the difference between ASCII and BINARY modes in the command-line FTP client.
We would also like to remind you at this time of the aforementioned first option of double-clicking the "Install Internet Explorer" icon on your desktop.If you have any further questions about this process, please consult the brick wall in your back yard.
Alternatively, a Microsoft support professional will answer your questions on a per-incident basis at $450 per incident (or whatever currency it is that you crazy Europeans use).Additionally, the European Union requires that we mention other alternatives to Internet Explorer.
And there are some -- several of them, in fact.
One from a prominent North American search engine provider.
Another from a company whose CEO's name rhymes with Leave Cobs.
There's even one made in Oslo, Norway!
Upon request, Microsoft will send you "easy-to-follow" instructions to install any web browser on your new computer.
Please allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery.We at Microsoft always strive to give our customers access to the widest array of available options.
Thank you for "choosing" Windows.
Goodbye.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300185</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302875</id>
	<title>Re:Will Apple be forced to unbundle Safari?</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1244727600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The EU is ridiculous. I sure hope they are at the very least fair with their insanity, and force Apple to remove Safari from OSX.</p></div></blockquote><p>

No but they should be forced to remove it (and quicktime) from Itunes as they are doing the same thing as MS in trying to leverage Itunes market advantage to boost the market share of Safari and Quicktime</p><blockquote><div><p>Fucking EU is ridiculous sometimes.</p></div></blockquote><p>'

No it isn't. The EU is about the only organisation doing something in the name of consumers, now I know that a government working in the interests of its people may seem like a foreign concept in the US but it does happen. The EU ruling says that IE needs to be <b>removable</b> so that OEM's and consumers can choose their own browser. It's <b>Microsoft not the EU</b> that is removing IE from the word go, I also wager that MS will simply pay* the OEM's more to favour IE.<br> <br>

* by pay I mean with hold discounts for OEM's that dont fall into line.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU is ridiculous .
I sure hope they are at the very least fair with their insanity , and force Apple to remove Safari from OSX .
No but they should be forced to remove it ( and quicktime ) from Itunes as they are doing the same thing as MS in trying to leverage Itunes market advantage to boost the market share of Safari and QuicktimeFucking EU is ridiculous sometimes .
' No it is n't .
The EU is about the only organisation doing something in the name of consumers , now I know that a government working in the interests of its people may seem like a foreign concept in the US but it does happen .
The EU ruling says that IE needs to be removable so that OEM 's and consumers can choose their own browser .
It 's Microsoft not the EU that is removing IE from the word go , I also wager that MS will simply pay * the OEM 's more to favour IE .
* by pay I mean with hold discounts for OEM 's that dont fall into line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU is ridiculous.
I sure hope they are at the very least fair with their insanity, and force Apple to remove Safari from OSX.
No but they should be forced to remove it (and quicktime) from Itunes as they are doing the same thing as MS in trying to leverage Itunes market advantage to boost the market share of Safari and QuicktimeFucking EU is ridiculous sometimes.
'

No it isn't.
The EU is about the only organisation doing something in the name of consumers, now I know that a government working in the interests of its people may seem like a foreign concept in the US but it does happen.
The EU ruling says that IE needs to be removable so that OEM's and consumers can choose their own browser.
It's Microsoft not the EU that is removing IE from the word go, I also wager that MS will simply pay* the OEM's more to favour IE.
* by pay I mean with hold discounts for OEM's that dont fall into line.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300349</id>
	<title>Mac ships with Safari and Ubuntu ships with FF</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make them stop that practice too.</p><p>I'm no fanboy of any software, but if Mac and Ubuntu (or any other distro) can ship with a browser of their choice, Microsoft should be able to ship with a browser of their choice.</p><p>They should, however, make it possible to uninstall their browser or have the option to not install it during OS install.  Then the computer manufacturer can configure the PC as they see fit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make them stop that practice too.I 'm no fanboy of any software , but if Mac and Ubuntu ( or any other distro ) can ship with a browser of their choice , Microsoft should be able to ship with a browser of their choice.They should , however , make it possible to uninstall their browser or have the option to not install it during OS install .
Then the computer manufacturer can configure the PC as they see fit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make them stop that practice too.I'm no fanboy of any software, but if Mac and Ubuntu (or any other distro) can ship with a browser of their choice, Microsoft should be able to ship with a browser of their choice.They should, however, make it possible to uninstall their browser or have the option to not install it during OS install.
Then the computer manufacturer can configure the PC as they see fit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300759</id>
	<title>Re:What next EU:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244716440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you, another wise person who is marked as Troll.</p><p>You're right. This singles out Microsoft and lets Apple and Linux off the hook.</p><p>OSX only runs on "apple hardware" which to me screams more injustice than IE coming with windows. We all know Apple's hardware is the same shit in all of our windows pcs.</p><p>Safari is bundled...</p><p>Itunes is bundled...</p><p>Search Light is bundled...</p><p>The EU doesnt seem to care about them. Why? The answer is the REAL injustice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you , another wise person who is marked as Troll.You 're right .
This singles out Microsoft and lets Apple and Linux off the hook.OSX only runs on " apple hardware " which to me screams more injustice than IE coming with windows .
We all know Apple 's hardware is the same shit in all of our windows pcs.Safari is bundled...Itunes is bundled...Search Light is bundled...The EU doesnt seem to care about them .
Why ? The answer is the REAL injustice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you, another wise person who is marked as Troll.You're right.
This singles out Microsoft and lets Apple and Linux off the hook.OSX only runs on "apple hardware" which to me screams more injustice than IE coming with windows.
We all know Apple's hardware is the same shit in all of our windows pcs.Safari is bundled...Itunes is bundled...Search Light is bundled...The EU doesnt seem to care about them.
Why? The answer is the REAL injustice.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300227</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300497</id>
	<title>Re:MS Updates</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WIndows Update hasnt required IE for a long time.  newsflash: it's not 2002 anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WIndows Update hasnt required IE for a long time .
newsflash : it 's not 2002 anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WIndows Update hasnt required IE for a long time.
newsflash: it's not 2002 anymore.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300321</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300949</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>moniker127</author>
	<datestamp>1244717220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>start &gt; run &gt; cmd<br>
ftp 63.245.208.138<br>
anonymous<br>
123<br>
hash<br>
cd<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0/win32/en-US/<br>
binary<br>
lcd c:\<br>
mget *.exe<br>
y</htmltext>
<tokenext>start &gt; run &gt; cmd ftp 63.245.208.138 anonymous 123 hash cd /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0/win32/en-US/ binary lcd c : \ mget * .exe y</tokentext>
<sentencetext>start &gt; run &gt; cmd
ftp 63.245.208.138
anonymous
123
hash
cd /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.0/win32/en-US/
binary
lcd c:\
mget *.exe
y</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300321</id>
	<title>MS Updates</title>
	<author>Wowsers</author>
	<datestamp>1244714940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now how will anyone go to Microsoft WindowsUpdate for updates, it barely works with Firefox but has no problem with IE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now how will anyone go to Microsoft WindowsUpdate for updates , it barely works with Firefox but has no problem with IE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now how will anyone go to Microsoft WindowsUpdate for updates, it barely works with Firefox but has no problem with IE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300845</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Jon-1</author>
	<datestamp>1244716740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really?</p><p><a href="ftp://ftp.mozilla.org" title="mozilla.org" rel="nofollow">ftp://ftp.mozilla.org</a> [mozilla.org]</p><p>(For Windoze users, that's under "My Network Places" or whatever they'll call that in 7.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ? ftp : //ftp.mozilla.org [ mozilla.org ] ( For Windoze users , that 's under " My Network Places " or whatever they 'll call that in 7 .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?ftp://ftp.mozilla.org [mozilla.org](For Windoze users, that's under "My Network Places" or whatever they'll call that in 7.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300335</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300609</id>
	<title>Why would you buy an OS with no browser?</title>
	<author>Hackysack</author>
	<datestamp>1244715900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No doubt MS's tactics during the height of the v4 browser wars were low, but...</p><p>A web browser is an integral part of the operating system of any modern user-based computer.</p><p>Sure, ship Windows without IE.  Ship it without any browser, or for that matter http tool.   The Microsoft implementation of the ftp command line tool should probably be removed too.</p><p>IE bites, but a browser *is*  an integral part of an operating system.  (I won't buy a cell phone without one!)</p><p>I just wish anti-virus was too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No doubt MS 's tactics during the height of the v4 browser wars were low , but...A web browser is an integral part of the operating system of any modern user-based computer.Sure , ship Windows without IE .
Ship it without any browser , or for that matter http tool .
The Microsoft implementation of the ftp command line tool should probably be removed too.IE bites , but a browser * is * an integral part of an operating system .
( I wo n't buy a cell phone without one !
) I just wish anti-virus was too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No doubt MS's tactics during the height of the v4 browser wars were low, but...A web browser is an integral part of the operating system of any modern user-based computer.Sure, ship Windows without IE.
Ship it without any browser, or for that matter http tool.
The Microsoft implementation of the ftp command line tool should probably be removed too.IE bites, but a browser *is*  an integral part of an operating system.
(I won't buy a cell phone without one!
)I just wish anti-virus was too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300831</id>
	<title>Choices...</title>
	<author>Ironica</author>
	<datestamp>1244716680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsers, according to a confidential memo that was sent to PC makers and seen by CNET News."</p></div><p>But they wouldn't have the option of shipping the computer without any web browser installed at all?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in , ship another browser or ship multiple browsers , according to a confidential memo that was sent to PC makers and seen by CNET News .
" But they would n't have the option of shipping the computer without any web browser installed at all ?
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsers, according to a confidential memo that was sent to PC makers and seen by CNET News.
"But they wouldn't have the option of shipping the computer without any web browser installed at all?
;-)
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300503</id>
	<title>Re:What next EU:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Big difference that you seem to be willfully ignoring.  Neither Apple or any Linux vendor  strong armed OEMs into exclusively installing their browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Big difference that you seem to be willfully ignoring .
Neither Apple or any Linux vendor strong armed OEMs into exclusively installing their browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Big difference that you seem to be willfully ignoring.
Neither Apple or any Linux vendor  strong armed OEMs into exclusively installing their browser.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300227</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305077</id>
	<title>True purpose of IE in Windows</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244839140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well this sucks, what will people use to download Mozilla Firefox then?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well this sucks , what will people use to download Mozilla Firefox then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well this sucks, what will people use to download Mozilla Firefox then?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303483</id>
	<title>Re:Unlike IE, you can actually stop using Safari..</title>
	<author>jt2377</author>
	<datestamp>1244733240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are you retarded? The IE's rendering engine got shit to do with competing with Firefox or other browser. It's a fucking library. It got shit to do with the issue at hand. You're the reason why Slashdot is becoming a shit place for serious discussion.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you retarded ?
The IE 's rendering engine got shit to do with competing with Firefox or other browser .
It 's a fucking library .
It got shit to do with the issue at hand .
You 're the reason why Slashdot is becoming a shit place for serious discussion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you retarded?
The IE's rendering engine got shit to do with competing with Firefox or other browser.
It's a fucking library.
It got shit to do with the issue at hand.
You're the reason why Slashdot is becoming a shit place for serious discussion.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302217</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1244723280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Doesn't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up?</p></div><p>Not really. My bank account could *certainly* use the extra boost<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>Too bad, then, that OEMs will do that work for me as well, as per RTFS.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up ? Not really .
My bank account could * certainly * use the extra boost ; ) Too bad , then , that OEMs will do that work for me as well , as per RTFS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up?Not really.
My bank account could *certainly* use the extra boost ;)Too bad, then, that OEMs will do that work for me as well, as per RTFS.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304623</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244745420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did you even read the summary? As has been mentioned in countless other posts.</p><p>"Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsers"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did you even read the summary ?
As has been mentioned in countless other posts .
" Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in , ship another browser or ship multiple browsers "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did you even read the summary?
As has been mentioned in countless other posts.
"Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsers"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300185</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1244714580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm confused. So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall, how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?</p></div><p>FTP?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm confused .
So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall , how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox ? FTP ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm confused.
So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall, how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?FTP?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28306751</id>
	<title>Re:This will be great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244814900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can finally get all those people to use a decent browser, stop getting hijacked and stop wasting my time sorting them out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can finally get all those people to use a decent browser , stop getting hijacked and stop wasting my time sorting them out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can finally get all those people to use a decent browser, stop getting hijacked and stop wasting my time sorting them out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303221</id>
	<title>Re:Total protectionism by the EU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244730660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>suck my fucking dick</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>suck my fucking dick</tokentext>
<sentencetext>suck my fucking dick</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28306489</id>
	<title>IE is a critical update</title>
	<author>Andypcguy</author>
	<datestamp>1244812980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It doesn't matter IE 8 is listed as a critcal update and when the user goes to install updates they will always have to deselect it.  Microsoft would have put up a bigger fight if they did not have another way of pushing their software onto the desktop.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't matter IE 8 is listed as a critcal update and when the user goes to install updates they will always have to deselect it .
Microsoft would have put up a bigger fight if they did not have another way of pushing their software onto the desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't matter IE 8 is listed as a critcal update and when the user goes to install updates they will always have to deselect it.
Microsoft would have put up a bigger fight if they did not have another way of pushing their software onto the desktop.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28308761</id>
	<title>Oh no.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244823660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What will I now use to download Firefox with?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What will I now use to download Firefox with ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What will I now use to download Firefox with?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301493</id>
	<title>Re:Why are we deprived of this in North America?</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1244719320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You're not missing much.  All that they do is remove "iexplore.exe" - the engine is still there. It<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/has/ to be or half the OS breaks.  Not to mention the millions of apps that use mshtml.dll or wherever the rendering engine lives.
<p>
Frankly, I think this just a stupid idea.  Here, let me sell you this car without a steering wheel.  Maybe you can drive to the dealer to get a replacement. (ie, download firefox... without a web browser to get there.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're not missing much .
All that they do is remove " iexplore.exe " - the engine is still there .
It /has/ to be or half the OS breaks .
Not to mention the millions of apps that use mshtml.dll or wherever the rendering engine lives .
Frankly , I think this just a stupid idea .
Here , let me sell you this car without a steering wheel .
Maybe you can drive to the dealer to get a replacement .
( ie , download firefox... without a web browser to get there .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're not missing much.
All that they do is remove "iexplore.exe" - the engine is still there.
It /has/ to be or half the OS breaks.
Not to mention the millions of apps that use mshtml.dll or wherever the rendering engine lives.
Frankly, I think this just a stupid idea.
Here, let me sell you this car without a steering wheel.
Maybe you can drive to the dealer to get a replacement.
(ie, download firefox... without a web browser to get there.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300107</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300261</id>
	<title>Damage is already done.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Include all popular web browsers and the uninformed are just going to click the internet explorer link.  Include any other single web browser and it'll be just like a monopoly all over again.  Include no web browser and hilarity ensues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Include all popular web browsers and the uninformed are just going to click the internet explorer link .
Include any other single web browser and it 'll be just like a monopoly all over again .
Include no web browser and hilarity ensues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Include all popular web browsers and the uninformed are just going to click the internet explorer link.
Include any other single web browser and it'll be just like a monopoly all over again.
Include no web browser and hilarity ensues.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301593</id>
	<title>Re:Downloadability</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1244719740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Windows doesn't have anything like wget to download the packages over the internet...</i></p><p>Does FTP not count as "something like wget"? Hell, you'd have your choice of CLI or GUI FTP client.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows does n't have anything like wget to download the packages over the internet...Does FTP not count as " something like wget " ?
Hell , you 'd have your choice of CLI or GUI FTP client .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Windows doesn't have anything like wget to download the packages over the internet...Does FTP not count as "something like wget"?
Hell, you'd have your choice of CLI or GUI FTP client.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300749</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300229</id>
	<title>wake me when...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... it is more than just iexplore.exe that is removed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... it is more than just iexplore.exe that is removed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... it is more than just iexplore.exe that is removed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300353</id>
	<title>Only Half the Story</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1244715060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The article submitter fails to note the EU is not necessarily on board with this as they've been <a href="http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009/06/eu-querying-companies-on-browser-remedy-ms-pressure.ars" title="arstechnica.com">circulating a survey</a> [arstechnica.com] asking PC companies about how many and what browsers should be pre-installed as well as asking questions about if MS is pressuring them on the issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article submitter fails to note the EU is not necessarily on board with this as they 've been circulating a survey [ arstechnica.com ] asking PC companies about how many and what browsers should be pre-installed as well as asking questions about if MS is pressuring them on the issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article submitter fails to note the EU is not necessarily on board with this as they've been circulating a survey [arstechnica.com] asking PC companies about how many and what browsers should be pre-installed as well as asking questions about if MS is pressuring them on the issue.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301767</id>
	<title>Re:MS Updates</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244720700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This "out of date bullshit" is what you get when people who don't know anything about Windows contribute to a discussion about it.  <i>Interesting</i> and <i>Insightful</i> indeed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This " out of date bullshit " is what you get when people who do n't know anything about Windows contribute to a discussion about it .
Interesting and Insightful indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This "out of date bullshit" is what you get when people who don't know anything about Windows contribute to a discussion about it.
Interesting and Insightful indeed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300321</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305105</id>
	<title>Re:What next EU:</title>
	<author>prockcore</author>
	<datestamp>1244839320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Apple does not have 90\% of the market.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Neither does microsoft, if you believe Apple fans.  So if MS is no longer a monopoly, then antitrust laws no longer apply.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple does not have 90 \ % of the market .
Neither does microsoft , if you believe Apple fans .
So if MS is no longer a monopoly , then antitrust laws no longer apply .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple does not have 90\% of the market.
Neither does microsoft, if you believe Apple fans.
So if MS is no longer a monopoly, then antitrust laws no longer apply.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300695</id>
	<title>Microsoft is NOT removing IE</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1244716200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft is not removing anything, they are hiding one of the shell applications around the HTML control. All the same dangerous and insecure code will still be there, as part of Windows Explorer and Control Panel and Windows Media Player and Windows Update. Stil rendering websites for you, still displaying untrusted content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is not removing anything , they are hiding one of the shell applications around the HTML control .
All the same dangerous and insecure code will still be there , as part of Windows Explorer and Control Panel and Windows Media Player and Windows Update .
Stil rendering websites for you , still displaying untrusted content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft is not removing anything, they are hiding one of the shell applications around the HTML control.
All the same dangerous and insecure code will still be there, as part of Windows Explorer and Control Panel and Windows Media Player and Windows Update.
Stil rendering websites for you, still displaying untrusted content.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300703</id>
	<title>new browser?</title>
	<author>neptune612</author>
	<datestamp>1244716260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, if IE won't be bundled with Win7 then, how are they gonna download the browser that they DO want to use? sorry, if noob question, but don't you need a browser to translate the web?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , if IE wo n't be bundled with Win7 then , how are they gon na download the browser that they DO want to use ?
sorry , if noob question , but do n't you need a browser to translate the web ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, if IE won't be bundled with Win7 then, how are they gonna download the browser that they DO want to use?
sorry, if noob question, but don't you need a browser to translate the web?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305115</id>
	<title>Congratulations,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244839440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thank you for installing the brand new Windows 7.</p><p>In this step, you will choose your internet browser, the software used to access internet.</p><p>Please, choose one of the following :</p><p>- Internet Explorer - Official Microsoft browser, fast, efficient, reliable and secure. Used by 85\% of the world. (default and recomanded choice)</p><p>- Mozilla Firefox - Free software used by hackers and terrorists.</p><p>- Google Chrome - Free software, but reads your mails and spy the websites you're visiting.</p><p>- Opera - What is this?</p><p>(sorry bad english and stuff<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for installing the brand new Windows 7.In this step , you will choose your internet browser , the software used to access internet.Please , choose one of the following : - Internet Explorer - Official Microsoft browser , fast , efficient , reliable and secure .
Used by 85 \ % of the world .
( default and recomanded choice ) - Mozilla Firefox - Free software used by hackers and terrorists.- Google Chrome - Free software , but reads your mails and spy the websites you 're visiting.- Opera - What is this ?
( sorry bad english and stuff ... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for installing the brand new Windows 7.In this step, you will choose your internet browser, the software used to access internet.Please, choose one of the following :- Internet Explorer - Official Microsoft browser, fast, efficient, reliable and secure.
Used by 85\% of the world.
(default and recomanded choice)- Mozilla Firefox - Free software used by hackers and terrorists.- Google Chrome - Free software, but reads your mails and spy the websites you're visiting.- Opera - What is this?
(sorry bad english and stuff ...)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302419</id>
	<title>How many idiots are there here on Slashdot?</title>
	<author>spitzak</author>
	<datestamp>1244724480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know if it is stupidity or Microsoft shills.</p><p>However if you read the fa, or even if you think a little bit:</p><p>NOBODY IS GOING TO SELL A COMPUTER WITHOUT A BROWSER!</p><p>The machine the end user gets will have a browser. Likely more than one. Probably the blue E and the firefox will be on the desktop. The user can click on either one.</p><p>This is what Microsoft did not allow before and what they have been forced to allow.</p><p>They are still up to the same shit, saying "IE is missing" without saying exactly what they were forced to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if it is stupidity or Microsoft shills.However if you read the fa , or even if you think a little bit : NOBODY IS GOING TO SELL A COMPUTER WITHOUT A BROWSER ! The machine the end user gets will have a browser .
Likely more than one .
Probably the blue E and the firefox will be on the desktop .
The user can click on either one.This is what Microsoft did not allow before and what they have been forced to allow.They are still up to the same shit , saying " IE is missing " without saying exactly what they were forced to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if it is stupidity or Microsoft shills.However if you read the fa, or even if you think a little bit:NOBODY IS GOING TO SELL A COMPUTER WITHOUT A BROWSER!The machine the end user gets will have a browser.
Likely more than one.
Probably the blue E and the firefox will be on the desktop.
The user can click on either one.This is what Microsoft did not allow before and what they have been forced to allow.They are still up to the same shit, saying "IE is missing" without saying exactly what they were forced to do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300479</id>
	<title>Re:i still dont see the logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They *do* charge for it. You have to pay for it whether you use it or not, the price is part of your OS. Those developers are not working for free, and MS doesn't run that business unit out of the good of their heart.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They * do * charge for it .
You have to pay for it whether you use it or not , the price is part of your OS .
Those developers are not working for free , and MS does n't run that business unit out of the good of their heart .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They *do* charge for it.
You have to pay for it whether you use it or not, the price is part of your OS.
Those developers are not working for free, and MS doesn't run that business unit out of the good of their heart.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300839</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>ILuvRamen</author>
	<datestamp>1244716740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>obviously the EU is like Ted Stephens several times over.  They hear stupid people bitching about it being unfair and they know nothing about how computers actually work and now they get themselves stuck in a trap like this.  I really, really, really hope that computer stores start carrying USB drives with "firefox" on them that really has a rigged, adware spyware plugin infested version of Firefox that they're getting paid by the malware writers to sell.  That way it'll blow up in the EU's face even worse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>obviously the EU is like Ted Stephens several times over .
They hear stupid people bitching about it being unfair and they know nothing about how computers actually work and now they get themselves stuck in a trap like this .
I really , really , really hope that computer stores start carrying USB drives with " firefox " on them that really has a rigged , adware spyware plugin infested version of Firefox that they 're getting paid by the malware writers to sell .
That way it 'll blow up in the EU 's face even worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>obviously the EU is like Ted Stephens several times over.
They hear stupid people bitching about it being unfair and they know nothing about how computers actually work and now they get themselves stuck in a trap like this.
I really, really, really hope that computer stores start carrying USB drives with "firefox" on them that really has a rigged, adware spyware plugin infested version of Firefox that they're getting paid by the malware writers to sell.
That way it'll blow up in the EU's face even worse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305561</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Sky Cry</author>
	<datestamp>1244802480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why command line? Windows explorer can handle normal FTP pretty well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why command line ?
Windows explorer can handle normal FTP pretty well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why command line?
Windows explorer can handle normal FTP pretty well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300439</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302313</id>
	<title>Re:Downloadability</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1244723880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The biggest problem I see is that IE was non-removable, which does present an issue. Amost all OS packages include a browser these days (FF/Iceweasel in *nix, Safari on Mac, IE on Windows), but the difference is that IE was unremovable.</p></div></blockquote><p>Please give detailed instructions on uninstalling the latest version of Safari from a Mac.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest problem I see is that IE was non-removable , which does present an issue .
Amost all OS packages include a browser these days ( FF/Iceweasel in * nix , Safari on Mac , IE on Windows ) , but the difference is that IE was unremovable.Please give detailed instructions on uninstalling the latest version of Safari from a Mac .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest problem I see is that IE was non-removable, which does present an issue.
Amost all OS packages include a browser these days (FF/Iceweasel in *nix, Safari on Mac, IE on Windows), but the difference is that IE was unremovable.Please give detailed instructions on uninstalling the latest version of Safari from a Mac.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300749</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301541</id>
	<title>Re:Unlike IE, you can actually stop using Safari..</title>
	<author>EvanED</author>
	<datestamp>1244719560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Internet Explorer is not just another application, it's a deeply embedded part of the OS.</i></p><p>*cough*bullshit*cough*</p><p><i>It's still there, as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media Player.</i></p><p>Windows Explorer: Not true, starting with Vista.</p><p>Control Panel: Huh? Not true; that's just standard Windows Explorer.</p><p>Windows Update: Not true, starting with Vista.</p><p>WMP: I can't speak to that.</p><p>About the only "fundamental" part of Windows where their HTML rendering engine is used that I know of at this point is the help system.</p><p>Basically, you are part of a group of people who spout as much FUD about MS and Windows as anyone does about Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Internet Explorer is not just another application , it 's a deeply embedded part of the OS .
* cough * bullshit * cough * It 's still there , as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media Player.Windows Explorer : Not true , starting with Vista.Control Panel : Huh ?
Not true ; that 's just standard Windows Explorer.Windows Update : Not true , starting with Vista.WMP : I ca n't speak to that.About the only " fundamental " part of Windows where their HTML rendering engine is used that I know of at this point is the help system.Basically , you are part of a group of people who spout as much FUD about MS and Windows as anyone does about Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Internet Explorer is not just another application, it's a deeply embedded part of the OS.
*cough*bullshit*cough*It's still there, as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media Player.Windows Explorer: Not true, starting with Vista.Control Panel: Huh?
Not true; that's just standard Windows Explorer.Windows Update: Not true, starting with Vista.WMP: I can't speak to that.About the only "fundamental" part of Windows where their HTML rendering engine is used that I know of at this point is the help system.Basically, you are part of a group of people who spout as much FUD about MS and Windows as anyone does about Linux.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304255</id>
	<title>Re:Unlike IE, you can actually stop using Safari..</title>
	<author>morganew</author>
	<datestamp>1244739720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an Apple guy, I can tell you this is completely wrong.   WebKit (the engine powering Safari) is a shared framework. it can be found here:<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework.  This framework is key to the "help" Display system and Dictionary.  In fact, the new safari 4 engine replaces the webkit framework.</p><p>You can check out more information at developers.apple.com</p><p>I don't want anyone to strip out the underlying code on either system - having someone else do all the work for building a Help system is a relief.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an Apple guy , I can tell you this is completely wrong .
WebKit ( the engine powering Safari ) is a shared framework .
it can be found here : /System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework .
This framework is key to the " help " Display system and Dictionary .
In fact , the new safari 4 engine replaces the webkit framework.You can check out more information at developers.apple.comI do n't want anyone to strip out the underlying code on either system - having someone else do all the work for building a Help system is a relief .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an Apple guy, I can tell you this is completely wrong.
WebKit (the engine powering Safari) is a shared framework.
it can be found here: /System/Library/Frameworks/WebKit.framework.
This framework is key to the "help" Display system and Dictionary.
In fact, the new safari 4 engine replaces the webkit framework.You can check out more information at developers.apple.comI don't want anyone to strip out the underlying code on either system - having someone else do all the work for building a Help system is a relief.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305269</id>
	<title>So if Windows 7 ships without IE...</title>
	<author>Spacelem</author>
	<datestamp>1244798220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Windows 7 doesn't ship with a browser, how are people with a fresh install actually going to obtain any web browser?</p><p>Did no one think of this problem? With no browser to download another browser, you either need one on CD, or master the art of using wget and a text editor (assuming they are even installed).</p><p>I'm guessing they'll have to bundle some sort of micro-browser, for people to obtain their own, but this isn't going to make computer illiterate types happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Windows 7 does n't ship with a browser , how are people with a fresh install actually going to obtain any web browser ? Did no one think of this problem ?
With no browser to download another browser , you either need one on CD , or master the art of using wget and a text editor ( assuming they are even installed ) .I 'm guessing they 'll have to bundle some sort of micro-browser , for people to obtain their own , but this is n't going to make computer illiterate types happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Windows 7 doesn't ship with a browser, how are people with a fresh install actually going to obtain any web browser?Did no one think of this problem?
With no browser to download another browser, you either need one on CD, or master the art of using wget and a text editor (assuming they are even installed).I'm guessing they'll have to bundle some sort of micro-browser, for people to obtain their own, but this isn't going to make computer illiterate types happy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302107</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Darinbob</author>
	<datestamp>1244722500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Before web browsers were pre-installed (if the kids remember back that far) you could just pick up a free CD at computer stores that had Netscape, and ISPs would send you a "starter kit" CD that had a browser on it (and other junk).  AOL used to even send you several CDs a month whether you wanted them to or not.<br><br>While I think the OEMs will handle the majority of this set up for you.  For the retail stores, I suspect there will be a stack of free or nearly free Windows IE8 CDs next to the boxes of Windows 7.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Before web browsers were pre-installed ( if the kids remember back that far ) you could just pick up a free CD at computer stores that had Netscape , and ISPs would send you a " starter kit " CD that had a browser on it ( and other junk ) .
AOL used to even send you several CDs a month whether you wanted them to or not.While I think the OEMs will handle the majority of this set up for you .
For the retail stores , I suspect there will be a stack of free or nearly free Windows IE8 CDs next to the boxes of Windows 7 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before web browsers were pre-installed (if the kids remember back that far) you could just pick up a free CD at computer stores that had Netscape, and ISPs would send you a "starter kit" CD that had a browser on it (and other junk).
AOL used to even send you several CDs a month whether you wanted them to or not.While I think the OEMs will handle the majority of this set up for you.
For the retail stores, I suspect there will be a stack of free or nearly free Windows IE8 CDs next to the boxes of Windows 7.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300633</id>
	<title>Will Apple be forced to unbundle Safari?</title>
	<author>Jackie\_Chan\_Fan</author>
	<datestamp>1244716020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The EU is ridiculous. I sure hope they are at the very least fair with their insanity, and force Apple to remove Safari from OSX. They might as well force MS and Apple to remove their desktop search features, Instant messengers, and programming APIs.</p><p>Hell why not force Microsoft to unbundle NTFS and to use non Microsoft file systems.</p><p>Why even let microsoft even write an OS at all? Some one else may want to one day and MS stands in the way.</p><p>sigh.</p><p>Fucking EU is ridiculous sometimes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU is ridiculous .
I sure hope they are at the very least fair with their insanity , and force Apple to remove Safari from OSX .
They might as well force MS and Apple to remove their desktop search features , Instant messengers , and programming APIs.Hell why not force Microsoft to unbundle NTFS and to use non Microsoft file systems.Why even let microsoft even write an OS at all ?
Some one else may want to one day and MS stands in the way.sigh.Fucking EU is ridiculous sometimes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU is ridiculous.
I sure hope they are at the very least fair with their insanity, and force Apple to remove Safari from OSX.
They might as well force MS and Apple to remove their desktop search features, Instant messengers, and programming APIs.Hell why not force Microsoft to unbundle NTFS and to use non Microsoft file systems.Why even let microsoft even write an OS at all?
Some one else may want to one day and MS stands in the way.sigh.Fucking EU is ridiculous sometimes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305265</id>
	<title>This will be great</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244798160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think we can rely on omputer manufacturers to supply icons on the desktop to download and install a browser OF THE USERS CHOICE.</p><p>Perhaps then websites will consider it important to follow standards rather than just write for IE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think we can rely on omputer manufacturers to supply icons on the desktop to download and install a browser OF THE USERS CHOICE.Perhaps then websites will consider it important to follow standards rather than just write for IE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think we can rely on omputer manufacturers to supply icons on the desktop to download and install a browser OF THE USERS CHOICE.Perhaps then websites will consider it important to follow standards rather than just write for IE.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28306881</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244815500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The governing body demanded user choice and Microsoft is giving none.<br>The strange thing is you still need IE to perform windows updates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The governing body demanded user choice and Microsoft is giving none.The strange thing is you still need IE to perform windows updates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The governing body demanded user choice and Microsoft is giving none.The strange thing is you still need IE to perform windows updates.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28316505</id>
	<title>Riddle me this</title>
	<author>jackspenn</author>
	<datestamp>1244817780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just don't think many government officials get it.  Windows has tons of programs that I do not think need to be in an OS, things like MS Paint and Windows Media Player.  But if you ask me one application that should be integrated with the OS, it is the browser.  If Windows 95 didn't have that POS IE browser, then I am unsure how I could have downloaded Netscape back in the day.  If the argument is people are to stupid to know they have options, what benefit does the government think those people will gain get by getting a PC with IE removed?  And if you are a hardware vendor, why would you sell your product with LESS options?  They are fixing a non-issue, because Firefox and Chrome and Opera developers already solved it for us.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just do n't think many government officials get it .
Windows has tons of programs that I do not think need to be in an OS , things like MS Paint and Windows Media Player .
But if you ask me one application that should be integrated with the OS , it is the browser .
If Windows 95 did n't have that POS IE browser , then I am unsure how I could have downloaded Netscape back in the day .
If the argument is people are to stupid to know they have options , what benefit does the government think those people will gain get by getting a PC with IE removed ?
And if you are a hardware vendor , why would you sell your product with LESS options ?
They are fixing a non-issue , because Firefox and Chrome and Opera developers already solved it for us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just don't think many government officials get it.
Windows has tons of programs that I do not think need to be in an OS, things like MS Paint and Windows Media Player.
But if you ask me one application that should be integrated with the OS, it is the browser.
If Windows 95 didn't have that POS IE browser, then I am unsure how I could have downloaded Netscape back in the day.
If the argument is people are to stupid to know they have options, what benefit does the government think those people will gain get by getting a PC with IE removed?
And if you are a hardware vendor, why would you sell your product with LESS options?
They are fixing a non-issue, because Firefox and Chrome and Opera developers already solved it for us.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28314185</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Dirtside</author>
	<datestamp>1244801580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>RTFS:</p></div><p>Ha ha, yeah right! You must be new here.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFS : Ha ha , yeah right !
You must be new here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFS:Ha ha, yeah right!
You must be new here.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300485</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302029</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, so MS lied then</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244721900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is this still 2:Insightful?</p><p>I have some insightful comments.</p><p>"Windows bluescreens constantly"<br>"Linux is useless in a personal environment"<br>"Apple will soon be bankrupt"<br>"Y2k will kill us all!"</p><p>or, is it not 1998 anymore?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is this still 2 : Insightful ? I have some insightful comments .
" Windows bluescreens constantly " " Linux is useless in a personal environment " " Apple will soon be bankrupt " " Y2k will kill us all !
" or , is it not 1998 anymore ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is this still 2:Insightful?I have some insightful comments.
"Windows bluescreens constantly""Linux is useless in a personal environment""Apple will soon be bankrupt""Y2k will kill us all!
"or, is it not 1998 anymore?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300361</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300657</id>
	<title>It is still there.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244716080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even if IE is 'uninstalled' on Windows 7 wouldn't you still be able to go into something like My Computer and type any web address in the bar and get to where you want to go?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if IE is 'uninstalled ' on Windows 7 would n't you still be able to go into something like My Computer and type any web address in the bar and get to where you want to go ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if IE is 'uninstalled' on Windows 7 wouldn't you still be able to go into something like My Computer and type any web address in the bar and get to where you want to go?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300561</id>
	<title>My ass M$ is unbiased...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>until I can choose from a list of usable browsers in the default install, I don't see the point of this. M$ will still go into agreements with OEMs to ship ie by default.<br>I want to see a list that includes the following: firefox, chrome, opera, and internet explorer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>until I can choose from a list of usable browsers in the default install , I do n't see the point of this .
M $ will still go into agreements with OEMs to ship ie by default.I want to see a list that includes the following : firefox , chrome , opera , and internet explorer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>until I can choose from a list of usable browsers in the default install, I don't see the point of this.
M$ will still go into agreements with OEMs to ship ie by default.I want to see a list that includes the following: firefox, chrome, opera, and internet explorer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300335</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>vertinox</author>
	<datestamp>1244715000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'm confused. So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall, how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?</i></p><p>And thus Microsoft proves it's point to the EU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm confused .
So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall , how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox ? And thus Microsoft proves it 's point to the EU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm confused.
So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall, how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?And thus Microsoft proves it's point to the EU.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302115</id>
	<title>Re:Downloadability</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1244722560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except even if Linux magically got a 96\% market share there is no way any single organization could cause as much harm to anyone as Microsoft can and did. Even if Ubuntu started to have backdoors/malware/whatever everywhere, everyone would just leave it and join opensuse.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except even if Linux magically got a 96 \ % market share there is no way any single organization could cause as much harm to anyone as Microsoft can and did .
Even if Ubuntu started to have backdoors/malware/whatever everywhere , everyone would just leave it and join opensuse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except even if Linux magically got a 96\% market share there is no way any single organization could cause as much harm to anyone as Microsoft can and did.
Even if Ubuntu started to have backdoors/malware/whatever everywhere, everyone would just leave it and join opensuse.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300749</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</id>
	<title>This will be hell</title>
	<author>Useful Wheat</author>
	<datestamp>1244714760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to guess that this statement applies to most of the people on slashdot.</p><p>"I provide tech support to my friends and family."</p><p>Doesn't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up?  They will be totally and completely helpless without Internet explorer, they won't be able to burn it to a CD or put it on a flash drive without your detailed instructions.</p><p>And then it won't work. And it won't be what they're used to be because FireFox/chrome/IE 8 isn't IE 6. And then you'll have to come over again to explain that the download manager isn't stealing their awful FWD: jokes.</p><p>This isn't progress, this is a punishment to each and every one of us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to guess that this statement applies to most of the people on slashdot .
" I provide tech support to my friends and family .
" Does n't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up ?
They will be totally and completely helpless without Internet explorer , they wo n't be able to burn it to a CD or put it on a flash drive without your detailed instructions.And then it wo n't work .
And it wo n't be what they 're used to be because FireFox/chrome/IE 8 is n't IE 6 .
And then you 'll have to come over again to explain that the download manager is n't stealing their awful FWD : jokes.This is n't progress , this is a punishment to each and every one of us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to guess that this statement applies to most of the people on slashdot.
"I provide tech support to my friends and family.
"Doesn't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up?
They will be totally and completely helpless without Internet explorer, they won't be able to burn it to a CD or put it on a flash drive without your detailed instructions.And then it won't work.
And it won't be what they're used to be because FireFox/chrome/IE 8 isn't IE 6.
And then you'll have to come over again to explain that the download manager isn't stealing their awful FWD: jokes.This isn't progress, this is a punishment to each and every one of us.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300947</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1244717220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>C:\&gt;ftp some.Internet.Browser.server<br>get Internet.browser.exe<br><br>Not as easy as the web version, tho.</htmltext>
<tokenext>C : \ &gt; ftp some.Internet.Browser.serverget Internet.browser.exeNot as easy as the web version , tho .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>C:\&gt;ftp some.Internet.Browser.serverget Internet.browser.exeNot as easy as the web version, tho.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28309143</id>
	<title>Re:Stupid decision</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1244825520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>MSIE may stink and may be insecure. But still, it's a LOT more secure than any 2-year old firefox/opera/safari browser.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Your point being? Is this supposed to be an argument against bundling other browsers?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>MSIE may stink and may be insecure .
But still , it 's a LOT more secure than any 2-year old firefox/opera/safari browser .
Your point being ?
Is this supposed to be an argument against bundling other browsers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MSIE may stink and may be insecure.
But still, it's a LOT more secure than any 2-year old firefox/opera/safari browser.
Your point being?
Is this supposed to be an argument against bundling other browsers?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28308147</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301271</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>columbus</author>
	<datestamp>1244718420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It can be done.  Run this command.</p><p>explorer <a href="ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/3.5b99/win32/en-US/Firefox" title="mozilla.org" rel="nofollow">ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/3.5b99/win32/en-US/Firefox</a> [mozilla.org] Setup 3.5 Beta 99.exe</p><p>(This works on XP -- I haven't tried it on other versions of windows)</p><p>An OEM could stick this in a batch file on the desktop of a new machine.  You know - make it easy for a user so they don't have to learn FTP syntax.  Perhaps there could be several such batch files, so a user could choose which browser they wanted to download and install.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It can be done .
Run this command.explorer ftp : //ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/3.5b99/win32/en-US/Firefox [ mozilla.org ] Setup 3.5 Beta 99.exe ( This works on XP -- I have n't tried it on other versions of windows ) An OEM could stick this in a batch file on the desktop of a new machine .
You know - make it easy for a user so they do n't have to learn FTP syntax .
Perhaps there could be several such batch files , so a user could choose which browser they wanted to download and install .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It can be done.
Run this command.explorer ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/3.5b99/win32/en-US/Firefox [mozilla.org] Setup 3.5 Beta 99.exe(This works on XP -- I haven't tried it on other versions of windows)An OEM could stick this in a batch file on the desktop of a new machine.
You know - make it easy for a user so they don't have to learn FTP syntax.
Perhaps there could be several such batch files, so a user could choose which browser they wanted to download and install.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301423</id>
	<title>Kids today!  Learn FTP dagnabbit! :)</title>
	<author>bADlOGIN</author>
	<datestamp>1244719020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft still hasn't removed FTP.  That's how I did my last install of Firefox on a system with XP re-installed because<br>I refused to run that IE garbageware for any reason if I can help it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft still has n't removed FTP .
That 's how I did my last install of Firefox on a system with XP re-installed becauseI refused to run that IE garbageware for any reason if I can help it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft still hasn't removed FTP.
That's how I did my last install of Firefox on a system with XP re-installed becauseI refused to run that IE garbageware for any reason if I can help it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301345</id>
	<title>Re:MS Updates</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1244718720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What year is it in your little world, 2000? Critical updates have been delivered via control panel applet/service since, what, Windows 2000 at least. Non-critical ones can be easily downloaded using Firefox, or any browser you'd like to name.</p><p>Vista (and possibly XP; I haven't had XP in awhile) even let you select the non-critical ones from the same control panel as the critical ones, so there's absolutely zero reason to use IE to get updates. Not that there has been one in ages, anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What year is it in your little world , 2000 ?
Critical updates have been delivered via control panel applet/service since , what , Windows 2000 at least .
Non-critical ones can be easily downloaded using Firefox , or any browser you 'd like to name.Vista ( and possibly XP ; I have n't had XP in awhile ) even let you select the non-critical ones from the same control panel as the critical ones , so there 's absolutely zero reason to use IE to get updates .
Not that there has been one in ages , anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What year is it in your little world, 2000?
Critical updates have been delivered via control panel applet/service since, what, Windows 2000 at least.
Non-critical ones can be easily downloaded using Firefox, or any browser you'd like to name.Vista (and possibly XP; I haven't had XP in awhile) even let you select the non-critical ones from the same control panel as the critical ones, so there's absolutely zero reason to use IE to get updates.
Not that there has been one in ages, anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300321</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301901</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>dhavleak</author>
	<datestamp>1244721240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And we're supposed to conjure up the address how?</htmltext>
<tokenext>And we 're supposed to conjure up the address how ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And we're supposed to conjure up the address how?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300185</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301331</id>
	<title>Re:MS Updates</title>
	<author>ropiku</author>
	<datestamp>1244718660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now how will anyone go to Microsoft WindowsUpdate for updates, it barely works with Firefox but has no problem with IE.</p></div><p>You don't need to browse to Windows Updates. With Vista and Windows 7 the updates are integrated into Control Panel, you can also select which updates you want to install.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now how will anyone go to Microsoft WindowsUpdate for updates , it barely works with Firefox but has no problem with IE.You do n't need to browse to Windows Updates .
With Vista and Windows 7 the updates are integrated into Control Panel , you can also select which updates you want to install .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now how will anyone go to Microsoft WindowsUpdate for updates, it barely works with Firefox but has no problem with IE.You don't need to browse to Windows Updates.
With Vista and Windows 7 the updates are integrated into Control Panel, you can also select which updates you want to install.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300321</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301147</id>
	<title>Re:Total protectionism by the EU</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244717940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's time to raise tariffs on the EU, and put to bed this foolish free trade thing once and for all.</p></div><p>You mean like cotton trades to bankrupt Africa and make sure American cotton is protected? That protectionism doesn't count?</p><p>Reference: See the movie "Let's make money" (2008)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's time to raise tariffs on the EU , and put to bed this foolish free trade thing once and for all.You mean like cotton trades to bankrupt Africa and make sure American cotton is protected ?
That protectionism does n't count ? Reference : See the movie " Let 's make money " ( 2008 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's time to raise tariffs on the EU, and put to bed this foolish free trade thing once and for all.You mean like cotton trades to bankrupt Africa and make sure American cotton is protected?
That protectionism doesn't count?Reference: See the movie "Let's make money" (2008)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28308843</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>pwilli</author>
	<datestamp>1244824080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This isn't progress, this is a punishment to each and every one of us.</p></div><p>Some other words for progress: "develop in a positive way", "advance", "a movement forward"
<br> <br>
IE 6 ---replaced by---&gt; FireFox/chrome/Opera/IE 8 = Progress
<br> <br>
I'd rather help all my relatives/friends to advance to a recent browser instead of getting called every time when "the website doesn't work", because the browser is ancient and doesn't support the neccessary plugins, Javascript commands or HTML and CSS codes anymore. Not having to clean up the mess after virus contaminations because of  over 5 year old security holes is a bonus.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't progress , this is a punishment to each and every one of us.Some other words for progress : " develop in a positive way " , " advance " , " a movement forward " IE 6 ---replaced by--- &gt; FireFox/chrome/Opera/IE 8 = Progress I 'd rather help all my relatives/friends to advance to a recent browser instead of getting called every time when " the website does n't work " , because the browser is ancient and does n't support the neccessary plugins , Javascript commands or HTML and CSS codes anymore .
Not having to clean up the mess after virus contaminations because of over 5 year old security holes is a bonus .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't progress, this is a punishment to each and every one of us.Some other words for progress: "develop in a positive way", "advance", "a movement forward"
 
IE 6 ---replaced by---&gt; FireFox/chrome/Opera/IE 8 = Progress
 
I'd rather help all my relatives/friends to advance to a recent browser instead of getting called every time when "the website doesn't work", because the browser is ancient and doesn't support the neccessary plugins, Javascript commands or HTML and CSS codes anymore.
Not having to clean up the mess after virus contaminations because of  over 5 year old security holes is a bonus.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300447</id>
	<title>Re:i still dont see the logic</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1244715360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>We don't like IE, so we invent justifications to pretend including it is illegal.  We <b>like</b> arbitrary laws when they can be twisted to our side.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We do n't like IE , so we invent justifications to pretend including it is illegal .
We like arbitrary laws when they can be twisted to our side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We don't like IE, so we invent justifications to pretend including it is illegal.
We like arbitrary laws when they can be twisted to our side.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302443</id>
	<title>How so?</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1244724600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in,</p></div> </blockquote><p>How is it an "option" when one of your primary suppliers has your nuts in a vice?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in , How is it an " option " when one of your primary suppliers has your nuts in a vice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, How is it an "option" when one of your primary suppliers has your nuts in a vice?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300865</id>
	<title>I don't understand you guys...</title>
	<author>Ecuador</author>
	<datestamp>1244716860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean I really don't understand you... Why is this a good thing? How would a version of Windows that lacks a Firefox Downloader benefit anyone? The fact that you need a browser in order to get a browser (no, a bundled wget would certainly not do for Windows users), for me means that the browser should be part of the operating system. As long as that basic browser is able to download something like Firefox, I really don't care about how crappy it is. You might say that - hey - the OEM's should bundle other browsers. However isn't the fact that you REALLY need to bundle a browser an indication that it should be part of the OS?<br>Perhaps we should have Apple remove Safari next. The DO have a monopoly on pretentious/cool-wannabe devices, don't they?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean I really do n't understand you... Why is this a good thing ?
How would a version of Windows that lacks a Firefox Downloader benefit anyone ?
The fact that you need a browser in order to get a browser ( no , a bundled wget would certainly not do for Windows users ) , for me means that the browser should be part of the operating system .
As long as that basic browser is able to download something like Firefox , I really do n't care about how crappy it is .
You might say that - hey - the OEM 's should bundle other browsers .
However is n't the fact that you REALLY need to bundle a browser an indication that it should be part of the OS ? Perhaps we should have Apple remove Safari next .
The DO have a monopoly on pretentious/cool-wannabe devices , do n't they ?
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean I really don't understand you... Why is this a good thing?
How would a version of Windows that lacks a Firefox Downloader benefit anyone?
The fact that you need a browser in order to get a browser (no, a bundled wget would certainly not do for Windows users), for me means that the browser should be part of the operating system.
As long as that basic browser is able to download something like Firefox, I really don't care about how crappy it is.
You might say that - hey - the OEM's should bundle other browsers.
However isn't the fact that you REALLY need to bundle a browser an indication that it should be part of the OS?Perhaps we should have Apple remove Safari next.
The DO have a monopoly on pretentious/cool-wannabe devices, don't they?
;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28307121</id>
	<title>Wow.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244816880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>never posted on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p><p>but this is worth a Hallelujah</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>never posted on /.but this is worth a Hallelujah</tokentext>
<sentencetext>never posted on /.but this is worth a Hallelujah</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300707</id>
	<title>Re:i still dont see the logic</title>
	<author>SCPRedMage</author>
	<datestamp>1244716260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That argument would only hold water if you could demonstrate that, without IE, the OS would cost less.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That argument would only hold water if you could demonstrate that , without IE , the OS would cost less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That argument would only hold water if you could demonstrate that, without IE, the OS would cost less.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300479</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303355</id>
	<title>How about Ubuntu?</title>
	<author>hotfireball</author>
	<datestamp>1244731860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is there any plans for Ubuntu to <i>do not</i> include a Firefox while shipping in EU?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any plans for Ubuntu to do not include a Firefox while shipping in EU ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any plans for Ubuntu to do not include a Firefox while shipping in EU?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28308729</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>skeeto</author>
	<datestamp>1244823600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Stop helping these people, then. Helping then only hurts them in the long run and perpetuates all sorts of problems. "Give a man a fish<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop helping these people , then .
Helping then only hurts them in the long run and perpetuates all sorts of problems .
" Give a man a fish ... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop helping these people, then.
Helping then only hurts them in the long run and perpetuates all sorts of problems.
"Give a man a fish ..."</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300523</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Helpless people won't be buying computers without operating system. When manufacturers install Windows, they will also install browser to those computers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Helpless people wo n't be buying computers without operating system .
When manufacturers install Windows , they will also install browser to those computers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Helpless people won't be buying computers without operating system.
When manufacturers install Windows, they will also install browser to those computers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305725</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1244804820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My understanding was that windows would ship with a "browser download tool" that would let you select a browser during the OS install. Kind of how they let you choose a search engine for IE now.</p></div><p>Hmmm.  I wonder what it will default to?</p><p>I also wonder how many steps you'll have to follow if you want to use a non-default option?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My understanding was that windows would ship with a " browser download tool " that would let you select a browser during the OS install .
Kind of how they let you choose a search engine for IE now.Hmmm .
I wonder what it will default to ? I also wonder how many steps you 'll have to follow if you want to use a non-default option ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My understanding was that windows would ship with a "browser download tool" that would let you select a browser during the OS install.
Kind of how they let you choose a search engine for IE now.Hmmm.
I wonder what it will default to?I also wonder how many steps you'll have to follow if you want to use a non-default option?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300525</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28306439</id>
	<title>Re:Here we go again</title>
	<author>Richthofen80</author>
	<datestamp>1244812560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Apple ever gained the dominant position in the market, would you support forcing them to remove their browser in their OS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Apple ever gained the dominant position in the market , would you support forcing them to remove their browser in their OS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Apple ever gained the dominant position in the market, would you support forcing them to remove their browser in their OS?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301449</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300951</id>
	<title>Re:Why are we deprived of this in North America?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244717220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What exactly is wrong with a folder sitting in Program Files called Internet Explorer again?  Why is that such a great injustice?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What exactly is wrong with a folder sitting in Program Files called Internet Explorer again ?
Why is that such a great injustice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What exactly is wrong with a folder sitting in Program Files called Internet Explorer again?
Why is that such a great injustice?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300107</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303241</id>
	<title>Opera is a parasite</title>
	<author>xslive</author>
	<datestamp>1244730780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its plain &amp; simple, Opera is a parasite... And EU must not allow a parasite who wants to cling on to Microsoft because it can not sell products otherwise</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its plain &amp; simple , Opera is a parasite... And EU must not allow a parasite who wants to cling on to Microsoft because it can not sell products otherwise</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its plain &amp; simple, Opera is a parasite... And EU must not allow a parasite who wants to cling on to Microsoft because it can not sell products otherwise</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301707</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>VertigoAce</author>
	<datestamp>1244720340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Win7 E skus don't have iexplore.exe anywhere on them. There isn't an entry in the control panel to re-enable IE. You will have to install an additional package that contains iexplore.exe if you want IE (OEMs may choose to install this package). Regular Win7 skus allow you to enable or disable IE without downloading anything. However, these skus will not be sold in Europe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Win7 E skus do n't have iexplore.exe anywhere on them .
There is n't an entry in the control panel to re-enable IE .
You will have to install an additional package that contains iexplore.exe if you want IE ( OEMs may choose to install this package ) .
Regular Win7 skus allow you to enable or disable IE without downloading anything .
However , these skus will not be sold in Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Win7 E skus don't have iexplore.exe anywhere on them.
There isn't an entry in the control panel to re-enable IE.
You will have to install an additional package that contains iexplore.exe if you want IE (OEMs may choose to install this package).
Regular Win7 skus allow you to enable or disable IE without downloading anything.
However, these skus will not be sold in Europe.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301029</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28306907</id>
	<title>It will automaticly install on first MS update!</title>
	<author>sxmjmae</author>
	<datestamp>1244815680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No problem for MS.  They can just have it silently install in the background upon the user doing the first update.
I am sure MS will claim it is a critical patch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No problem for MS. They can just have it silently install in the background upon the user doing the first update .
I am sure MS will claim it is a critical patch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No problem for MS.  They can just have it silently install in the background upon the user doing the first update.
I am sure MS will claim it is a critical patch.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300225</id>
	<title>Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How are we going to download a more politically correct browser then?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How are we going to download a more politically correct browser then ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How are we going to download a more politically correct browser then?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300211</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244714640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm assuming they still ship an FTP client. Of course, we know how this is really going to work. Nobody will buy the version without IE and system makers will add IE, so your full reinstall will already have IE which you can use to get Firefox without having to learn FTP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm assuming they still ship an FTP client .
Of course , we know how this is really going to work .
Nobody will buy the version without IE and system makers will add IE , so your full reinstall will already have IE which you can use to get Firefox without having to learn FTP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm assuming they still ship an FTP client.
Of course, we know how this is really going to work.
Nobody will buy the version without IE and system makers will add IE, so your full reinstall will already have IE which you can use to get Firefox without having to learn FTP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300543</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>mpcooke3</author>
	<datestamp>1244715660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a computer literacy test, if you fail - it's not safe for you to go on the interweb!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a computer literacy test , if you fail - it 's not safe for you to go on the interweb !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a computer literacy test, if you fail - it's not safe for you to go on the interweb!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301639</id>
	<title>Re:Unlike IE, you can actually stop using Safari..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244719980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're correct that you can stop using Safari in Mac OS X, but as of Mac OS X 10.4 you can't stop using WebKit.  It is embedded into the OS as a part of the platform with an open API that other applications can, and do, utilize.  When those applications render HTML, they're using WebKit, and nothing you can do changes that, not changing the default browser nor "uninstalling" Safari.</p><p>Mac OS X is exactly the same as Windows in this regard.  The browser itself is a simple user-level application that wraps a rendering engine that was promoted to a fundamental component of the platform.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're correct that you can stop using Safari in Mac OS X , but as of Mac OS X 10.4 you ca n't stop using WebKit .
It is embedded into the OS as a part of the platform with an open API that other applications can , and do , utilize .
When those applications render HTML , they 're using WebKit , and nothing you can do changes that , not changing the default browser nor " uninstalling " Safari.Mac OS X is exactly the same as Windows in this regard .
The browser itself is a simple user-level application that wraps a rendering engine that was promoted to a fundamental component of the platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're correct that you can stop using Safari in Mac OS X, but as of Mac OS X 10.4 you can't stop using WebKit.
It is embedded into the OS as a part of the platform with an open API that other applications can, and do, utilize.
When those applications render HTML, they're using WebKit, and nothing you can do changes that, not changing the default browser nor "uninstalling" Safari.Mac OS X is exactly the same as Windows in this regard.
The browser itself is a simple user-level application that wraps a rendering engine that was promoted to a fundamental component of the platform.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300629</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301019</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, so MS lied then</title>
	<author>anonymousNR</author>
	<datestamp>1244717460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No you got it wrong this means they are agreeing in public that they fundamentally broke the OS</htmltext>
<tokenext>No you got it wrong this means they are agreeing in public that they fundamentally broke the OS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No you got it wrong this means they are agreeing in public that they fundamentally broke the OS</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300361</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305025</id>
	<title>So this won't make any difference then</title>
	<author>Toreo asesino</author>
	<datestamp>1244838300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...as it's gonna be called Windows 7 "E" and delivered/configured separately from the normal install, like the Windows Vista "N" version (minus media player)....which totally tanked, because real people actually don't care what browser / media player comes with their PC. Unless of course you have an iPod/iPhone which requires iTunes.</p><p>This is a dance around a formality that may or may not have a justified cause; looks like Microsoft are dealing with the problem before it causes a real problem later on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...as it 's gon na be called Windows 7 " E " and delivered/configured separately from the normal install , like the Windows Vista " N " version ( minus media player ) ....which totally tanked , because real people actually do n't care what browser / media player comes with their PC .
Unless of course you have an iPod/iPhone which requires iTunes.This is a dance around a formality that may or may not have a justified cause ; looks like Microsoft are dealing with the problem before it causes a real problem later on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...as it's gonna be called Windows 7 "E" and delivered/configured separately from the normal install, like the Windows Vista "N" version (minus media player)....which totally tanked, because real people actually don't care what browser / media player comes with their PC.
Unless of course you have an iPod/iPhone which requires iTunes.This is a dance around a formality that may or may not have a justified cause; looks like Microsoft are dealing with the problem before it causes a real problem later on.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304029</id>
	<title>Re:Mac ships with Safari and Ubuntu ships with FF</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1244737560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Mac ships with Safari and Ubuntu ships with FF
Make them stop that practice too.</p></div><p>You're misunderstanding what is illegal. There is no law against bundling an OS and a Web browser. But then there's no law against throwing a toaster. That doesn't mean you can't be guilty of antitrust abuse for the former and murder for the latter.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mac ships with Safari and Ubuntu ships with FF Make them stop that practice too.You 're misunderstanding what is illegal .
There is no law against bundling an OS and a Web browser .
But then there 's no law against throwing a toaster .
That does n't mean you ca n't be guilty of antitrust abuse for the former and murder for the latter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mac ships with Safari and Ubuntu ships with FF
Make them stop that practice too.You're misunderstanding what is illegal.
There is no law against bundling an OS and a Web browser.
But then there's no law against throwing a toaster.
That doesn't mean you can't be guilty of antitrust abuse for the former and murder for the latter.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300349</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303865</id>
	<title>It will not</title>
	<author>HermMunster</author>
	<datestamp>1244736060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It will do what it stated it would do all along.  It will remove the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.exe file for the browser but still keep the underlying functionality at the OS level, which itself can be used to browse the web.  They'd need a complete overhaul of their GUI to rid themselves of IE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It will do what it stated it would do all along .
It will remove the .exe file for the browser but still keep the underlying functionality at the OS level , which itself can be used to browse the web .
They 'd need a complete overhaul of their GUI to rid themselves of IE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It will do what it stated it would do all along.
It will remove the .exe file for the browser but still keep the underlying functionality at the OS level, which itself can be used to browse the web.
They'd need a complete overhaul of their GUI to rid themselves of IE.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300465</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1244715360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm confused. So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall, how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?</p></div><p>Well if you're compentent enough to do a full re-install surely you're competent enough to make a copy of Firefox on CD/DVD/flash drive before you do it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm confused .
So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall , how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox ? Well if you 're compentent enough to do a full re-install surely you 're competent enough to make a copy of Firefox on CD/DVD/flash drive before you do it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm confused.
So if I get a copy of Windows in Europe and do a full reinstall, how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?Well if you're compentent enough to do a full re-install surely you're competent enough to make a copy of Firefox on CD/DVD/flash drive before you do it?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301029</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>arkhan\_jg</author>
	<datestamp>1244717520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?</i></p><p>The same way we did back in the days before bundling; from third party media. Remember when every magazine cover CD and ISP setup CD came with a copy of netscape and IE installers? Or if you're just reinstalling from your custom OEM media/restore partition, you'll get their setup, including browser.</p><p>Of course, it's not like they're actually *removing* IE; they're just flipping the switch in the registry that says to hide the shortcut. Go into control panel and re-enable it, and there it is again.</p><p>I have to admit, it'd be a stroke of genius by microsoft; they can tell the monpolies regulator that IE is off by default, and that it's just coincidence that all OEMs* choose to turn it back on as part of their sysprep image cos it's a lot simpler than explaining to users what opera or firefox are. So nothing changes in the end at all, but it gets Microsoft nicely off the hook of having to actually compete on a level playing field.</p><p>And since no doubt somebody in this thread is getting upmodded for muttering the words 'free market' and it's 'just anti-US bias against microsoft' and 'everyone needs a browser, like KDE or apple supply' I'll take the opportunity to explain - again - why this matters.</p><p>Yes, every user needs a browser, so isn't it convenient if nearly every computer in the world shipped with IE, then third parties don't need to support the standards, they just need to support IE. They write to some extension specific to IE - like say activeX - and that's the same as supporting everyone by an open standard, and it's easier to just write to one specific browser than test it in a bunch of them. Eventually, when so many websites are written this way, it becomes nigh impossible to use the web without using IE - and then microsoft have a new defacto monopoly with IE, because everyone writes to it because everyone uses it. That makes it extremely hard for any browser, or any OS that doesn't ship with IE to compete - because they don't work on the web without IE. So Mirosoft have leveraged a monpoly in one market, windows, into a monopoly in another market, the web, and that just reinforces their original monopoly and makes windows even harder to compete with. We've seen this in actually happen Korea for example, where virtually all banking websites use activex, making IE - and thus windows - a near mandatory requirement.</p><p>The way to break that cycle is to ensure that third party developers can't take the shortcut of assuming that because 95\% of users are windows users, that 95\% of people will have IE, by taking IE off the desktop by default, and giving the alternatives an equal platform. The only reason firefox has the market share it does is because IE won, and was left to rot for so very long indeed that users and developers switched to a project with a pulse.to get new features. The only reason we have IE8 at all is because of firefox forcing microsoft to have to compete again.</p><p>Without competition, there is no choice in the market, and with no choice in the market consumers lose their own weapon to force improvements of service - to switch to somebody else. When existing monopolies step into new markets, and compete purely on their existing domination rather than any merit, governments are duty bound to protect the long term interests of the public be ensuring competition is kept fair, even if letting the monopoly do what it wants is easier in the short term.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox ? The same way we did back in the days before bundling ; from third party media .
Remember when every magazine cover CD and ISP setup CD came with a copy of netscape and IE installers ?
Or if you 're just reinstalling from your custom OEM media/restore partition , you 'll get their setup , including browser.Of course , it 's not like they 're actually * removing * IE ; they 're just flipping the switch in the registry that says to hide the shortcut .
Go into control panel and re-enable it , and there it is again.I have to admit , it 'd be a stroke of genius by microsoft ; they can tell the monpolies regulator that IE is off by default , and that it 's just coincidence that all OEMs * choose to turn it back on as part of their sysprep image cos it 's a lot simpler than explaining to users what opera or firefox are .
So nothing changes in the end at all , but it gets Microsoft nicely off the hook of having to actually compete on a level playing field.And since no doubt somebody in this thread is getting upmodded for muttering the words 'free market ' and it 's 'just anti-US bias against microsoft ' and 'everyone needs a browser , like KDE or apple supply ' I 'll take the opportunity to explain - again - why this matters.Yes , every user needs a browser , so is n't it convenient if nearly every computer in the world shipped with IE , then third parties do n't need to support the standards , they just need to support IE .
They write to some extension specific to IE - like say activeX - and that 's the same as supporting everyone by an open standard , and it 's easier to just write to one specific browser than test it in a bunch of them .
Eventually , when so many websites are written this way , it becomes nigh impossible to use the web without using IE - and then microsoft have a new defacto monopoly with IE , because everyone writes to it because everyone uses it .
That makes it extremely hard for any browser , or any OS that does n't ship with IE to compete - because they do n't work on the web without IE .
So Mirosoft have leveraged a monpoly in one market , windows , into a monopoly in another market , the web , and that just reinforces their original monopoly and makes windows even harder to compete with .
We 've seen this in actually happen Korea for example , where virtually all banking websites use activex , making IE - and thus windows - a near mandatory requirement.The way to break that cycle is to ensure that third party developers ca n't take the shortcut of assuming that because 95 \ % of users are windows users , that 95 \ % of people will have IE , by taking IE off the desktop by default , and giving the alternatives an equal platform .
The only reason firefox has the market share it does is because IE won , and was left to rot for so very long indeed that users and developers switched to a project with a pulse.to get new features .
The only reason we have IE8 at all is because of firefox forcing microsoft to have to compete again.Without competition , there is no choice in the market , and with no choice in the market consumers lose their own weapon to force improvements of service - to switch to somebody else .
When existing monopolies step into new markets , and compete purely on their existing domination rather than any merit , governments are duty bound to protect the long term interests of the public be ensuring competition is kept fair , even if letting the monopoly do what it wants is easier in the short term .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how am I supposed to use my already-active internet connection to get Firefox?The same way we did back in the days before bundling; from third party media.
Remember when every magazine cover CD and ISP setup CD came with a copy of netscape and IE installers?
Or if you're just reinstalling from your custom OEM media/restore partition, you'll get their setup, including browser.Of course, it's not like they're actually *removing* IE; they're just flipping the switch in the registry that says to hide the shortcut.
Go into control panel and re-enable it, and there it is again.I have to admit, it'd be a stroke of genius by microsoft; they can tell the monpolies regulator that IE is off by default, and that it's just coincidence that all OEMs* choose to turn it back on as part of their sysprep image cos it's a lot simpler than explaining to users what opera or firefox are.
So nothing changes in the end at all, but it gets Microsoft nicely off the hook of having to actually compete on a level playing field.And since no doubt somebody in this thread is getting upmodded for muttering the words 'free market' and it's 'just anti-US bias against microsoft' and 'everyone needs a browser, like KDE or apple supply' I'll take the opportunity to explain - again - why this matters.Yes, every user needs a browser, so isn't it convenient if nearly every computer in the world shipped with IE, then third parties don't need to support the standards, they just need to support IE.
They write to some extension specific to IE - like say activeX - and that's the same as supporting everyone by an open standard, and it's easier to just write to one specific browser than test it in a bunch of them.
Eventually, when so many websites are written this way, it becomes nigh impossible to use the web without using IE - and then microsoft have a new defacto monopoly with IE, because everyone writes to it because everyone uses it.
That makes it extremely hard for any browser, or any OS that doesn't ship with IE to compete - because they don't work on the web without IE.
So Mirosoft have leveraged a monpoly in one market, windows, into a monopoly in another market, the web, and that just reinforces their original monopoly and makes windows even harder to compete with.
We've seen this in actually happen Korea for example, where virtually all banking websites use activex, making IE - and thus windows - a near mandatory requirement.The way to break that cycle is to ensure that third party developers can't take the shortcut of assuming that because 95\% of users are windows users, that 95\% of people will have IE, by taking IE off the desktop by default, and giving the alternatives an equal platform.
The only reason firefox has the market share it does is because IE won, and was left to rot for so very long indeed that users and developers switched to a project with a pulse.to get new features.
The only reason we have IE8 at all is because of firefox forcing microsoft to have to compete again.Without competition, there is no choice in the market, and with no choice in the market consumers lose their own weapon to force improvements of service - to switch to somebody else.
When existing monopolies step into new markets, and compete purely on their existing domination rather than any merit, governments are duty bound to protect the long term interests of the public be ensuring competition is kept fair, even if letting the monopoly do what it wants is easier in the short term.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300985</id>
	<title>IE Already Uncoupled</title>
	<author>losthought</author>
	<datestamp>1244717340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It should be noted that this is not some crazy technological feat.  Internet Explorer is already uninstallable via the Control Panel in Windows 7.  To comply with this all they have to do is not have it installed by default.  I would imagine that they could even leave it in as an optional component to be installed later (like IIS or any other module).  So all of you folks worrying about not having your massive Firefox download kit shouldn't.<br> <br>Some others have also wondered how manual updates would be performed without Internet Explorer.  Starting in Windows Vista this functionality was moved to a Control Panel applet.  It was the same in Windows Server 2008 and is the same in Windows 7.  So, no need for IE at all.
<br> <br>
cheers,
lost</htmltext>
<tokenext>It should be noted that this is not some crazy technological feat .
Internet Explorer is already uninstallable via the Control Panel in Windows 7 .
To comply with this all they have to do is not have it installed by default .
I would imagine that they could even leave it in as an optional component to be installed later ( like IIS or any other module ) .
So all of you folks worrying about not having your massive Firefox download kit should n't .
Some others have also wondered how manual updates would be performed without Internet Explorer .
Starting in Windows Vista this functionality was moved to a Control Panel applet .
It was the same in Windows Server 2008 and is the same in Windows 7 .
So , no need for IE at all .
cheers , lost</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It should be noted that this is not some crazy technological feat.
Internet Explorer is already uninstallable via the Control Panel in Windows 7.
To comply with this all they have to do is not have it installed by default.
I would imagine that they could even leave it in as an optional component to be installed later (like IIS or any other module).
So all of you folks worrying about not having your massive Firefox download kit shouldn't.
Some others have also wondered how manual updates would be performed without Internet Explorer.
Starting in Windows Vista this functionality was moved to a Control Panel applet.
It was the same in Windows Server 2008 and is the same in Windows 7.
So, no need for IE at all.
cheers,
lost</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305425</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244800260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh please. First of all, OEM will put a browser in there. And if they are good enough to set up a net connection by themselves, then getting firefox from a memory stick isn't that hard.</p><p>And as for the rest of them, it's business as usual. Only interesting thing about this is whether Microsoft will try to force IE on every install anyway..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh please .
First of all , OEM will put a browser in there .
And if they are good enough to set up a net connection by themselves , then getting firefox from a memory stick is n't that hard.And as for the rest of them , it 's business as usual .
Only interesting thing about this is whether Microsoft will try to force IE on every install anyway. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh please.
First of all, OEM will put a browser in there.
And if they are good enough to set up a net connection by themselves, then getting firefox from a memory stick isn't that hard.And as for the rest of them, it's business as usual.
Only interesting thing about this is whether Microsoft will try to force IE on every install anyway..</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300409</id>
	<title>Next Step: No Safari in Snow Leopard???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I realize we are supposed to hate MS here, and at the same time ooh and aah over everything Apple does... but how is Apple's bundle of OSX and Safari not different than Microsoft's bundle of Windows/IE?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I realize we are supposed to hate MS here , and at the same time ooh and aah over everything Apple does... but how is Apple 's bundle of OSX and Safari not different than Microsoft 's bundle of Windows/IE ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I realize we are supposed to hate MS here, and at the same time ooh and aah over everything Apple does... but how is Apple's bundle of OSX and Safari not different than Microsoft's bundle of Windows/IE?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28309685</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244827560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You don't even need to RTFA. RTFS:</p><blockquote><div><p>Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsers</p></div></blockquote></div><p><div class="quote"><p>So if I get a copy of Windows</p></div><p>He just said a copy of Windows, rather than a whole new computer</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't even need to RTFA .
RTFS : Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in , ship another browser or ship multiple browsersSo if I get a copy of WindowsHe just said a copy of Windows , rather than a whole new computer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't even need to RTFA.
RTFS:Computer makers would then have the option to add the browser back in, ship another browser or ship multiple browsersSo if I get a copy of WindowsHe just said a copy of Windows, rather than a whole new computer
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300485</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28308903</id>
	<title>Re:Why are we deprived of this in North America?</title>
	<author>Ghost Hedgehog</author>
	<datestamp>1244824380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The EU hasn't decided to remove IE from Windows 7, it is a move by Microsoft. The EU has not yet made a decision on how to deal with the misuse of the Windows monopoly on the browser market. With the Media player verdict of the EU, nothing actually changed and Neelie Kroes will probably come with a solution for the browser market that actually works.


By the way, if Microsoft has the opinion that selling an OS without a browser is not an option, they still have the option not to sell Windows 7 in the EU at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The EU has n't decided to remove IE from Windows 7 , it is a move by Microsoft .
The EU has not yet made a decision on how to deal with the misuse of the Windows monopoly on the browser market .
With the Media player verdict of the EU , nothing actually changed and Neelie Kroes will probably come with a solution for the browser market that actually works .
By the way , if Microsoft has the opinion that selling an OS without a browser is not an option , they still have the option not to sell Windows 7 in the EU at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The EU hasn't decided to remove IE from Windows 7, it is a move by Microsoft.
The EU has not yet made a decision on how to deal with the misuse of the Windows monopoly on the browser market.
With the Media player verdict of the EU, nothing actually changed and Neelie Kroes will probably come with a solution for the browser market that actually works.
By the way, if Microsoft has the opinion that selling an OS without a browser is not an option, they still have the option not to sell Windows 7 in the EU at all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301823</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300419</id>
	<title>Re:Damage is already done.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually you could bundle the computers with FF without having problems with antitrust laws. The whole reason why MS is being watched is that they are using their monopoly in the OS market to dominate the browser market. The point is that you can't use your monopoly in one market to further your market share in another.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually you could bundle the computers with FF without having problems with antitrust laws .
The whole reason why MS is being watched is that they are using their monopoly in the OS market to dominate the browser market .
The point is that you ca n't use your monopoly in one market to further your market share in another .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually you could bundle the computers with FF without having problems with antitrust laws.
The whole reason why MS is being watched is that they are using their monopoly in the OS market to dominate the browser market.
The point is that you can't use your monopoly in one market to further your market share in another.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303395</id>
	<title>Re:What next EU:</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1244732220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>OSX only runs on "apple hardware" which to me screams more injustice than IE coming with windows.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Apple does not have 90\% of the market. Being a non-abusive monopoly is not illegal, being an abusive non-monopoly is not illegal. Apple is an abusive non-monopoly, they do not inhibit competitors and thus is not a valid target for regulators.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>OSX only runs on " apple hardware " which to me screams more injustice than IE coming with windows .
Apple does not have 90 \ % of the market .
Being a non-abusive monopoly is not illegal , being an abusive non-monopoly is not illegal .
Apple is an abusive non-monopoly , they do not inhibit competitors and thus is not a valid target for regulators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OSX only runs on "apple hardware" which to me screams more injustice than IE coming with windows.
Apple does not have 90\% of the market.
Being a non-abusive monopoly is not illegal, being an abusive non-monopoly is not illegal.
Apple is an abusive non-monopoly, they do not inhibit competitors and thus is not a valid target for regulators.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300759</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28306387</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244812260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The OEMs can include other browsers in there. RTFS. Now you can elect to charge for your support, even just pizza (order large to discourage future calls) and beer, or get on the phone and tell them to click on FF icon and say, Welcome to 21st century browsing.</p><p>Could be win-win imho. So pop quiz, What do you do? What do you do?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The OEMs can include other browsers in there .
RTFS. Now you can elect to charge for your support , even just pizza ( order large to discourage future calls ) and beer , or get on the phone and tell them to click on FF icon and say , Welcome to 21st century browsing.Could be win-win imho .
So pop quiz , What do you do ?
What do you do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The OEMs can include other browsers in there.
RTFS. Now you can elect to charge for your support, even just pizza (order large to discourage future calls) and beer, or get on the phone and tell them to click on FF icon and say, Welcome to 21st century browsing.Could be win-win imho.
So pop quiz, What do you do?
What do you do?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304219</id>
	<title>Re:Microsoft is NOT removing IE</title>
	<author>Kalriath</author>
	<datestamp>1244739360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That would be removing IE then.  Since the control you are talking about is called Trident, which is Microsoft's version of Gecko or WebKit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be removing IE then .
Since the control you are talking about is called Trident , which is Microsoft 's version of Gecko or WebKit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be removing IE then.
Since the control you are talking about is called Trident, which is Microsoft's version of Gecko or WebKit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300695</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300599</id>
	<title>Re:Oh, so MS lied then</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244715840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The core of the engine will still be available for 3rd party apps.</p><p>This is again only removing the big blue icon from the desktop and everywhere else on the computer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The core of the engine will still be available for 3rd party apps.This is again only removing the big blue icon from the desktop and everywhere else on the computer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The core of the engine will still be available for 3rd party apps.This is again only removing the big blue icon from the desktop and everywhere else on the computer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300361</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304625</id>
	<title>Re:i still dont see the logic</title>
	<author>mgblst</author>
	<datestamp>1244745480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are a fucking moron, seriously, you are a fucking moron. If you can't see what has happened, after all the 100s of articles about this exact same subject, if you can't see the importance of controlling the browser yet, then the only possible reason is that you are a fucking moron.</p><p>Mod me down all you want, this had to be said. Anyone coming here, running around asking this stupid questions, deserves to be shot down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are a fucking moron , seriously , you are a fucking moron .
If you ca n't see what has happened , after all the 100s of articles about this exact same subject , if you ca n't see the importance of controlling the browser yet , then the only possible reason is that you are a fucking moron.Mod me down all you want , this had to be said .
Anyone coming here , running around asking this stupid questions , deserves to be shot down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are a fucking moron, seriously, you are a fucking moron.
If you can't see what has happened, after all the 100s of articles about this exact same subject, if you can't see the importance of controlling the browser yet, then the only possible reason is that you are a fucking moron.Mod me down all you want, this had to be said.
Anyone coming here, running around asking this stupid questions, deserves to be shot down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305957</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244807340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the EU are looking into this decision and are currently of the opinion that this tactic from MS is not right.  They argue that the consumer should be given the option of which browser rather than no browser.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the EU are looking into this decision and are currently of the opinion that this tactic from MS is not right .
They argue that the consumer should be given the option of which browser rather than no browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the EU are looking into this decision and are currently of the opinion that this tactic from MS is not right.
They argue that the consumer should be given the option of which browser rather than no browser.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300183</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301215</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Dude McDude</author>
	<datestamp>1244718180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Run Windows Update and install IE8.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Run Windows Update and install IE8 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Run Windows Update and install IE8.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301929</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>dhavleak</author>
	<datestamp>1244721360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You expect that level of competency, but you don't expect people to just download FF if they already have IE? Double-standard, no?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You expect that level of competency , but you do n't expect people to just download FF if they already have IE ?
Double-standard , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You expect that level of competency, but you don't expect people to just download FF if they already have IE?
Double-standard, no?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300233</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302035</id>
	<title>Re:Unlike IE, you can actually stop using Safari..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244721960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're about seven years out of date... IE has not been part of any of those components since XP.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're about seven years out of date... IE has not been part of any of those components since XP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're about seven years out of date... IE has not been part of any of those components since XP.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300629</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304145</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>glitch23</author>
	<datestamp>1244738700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Doesn't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up? They will be totally and completely helpless without Internet explorer, they won't be able to burn it to a CD or put it on a flash drive without your detailed instructions.

And then it won't work. And it won't be what they're used to be because FireFox/chrome/IE 8 isn't IE 6.</p></div><p>Maybe you should start getting every single person you know familiar with FireFox/chrome (yes, I left off IE 8) now? In fact, why haven't you already?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up ?
They will be totally and completely helpless without Internet explorer , they wo n't be able to burn it to a CD or put it on a flash drive without your detailed instructions .
And then it wo n't work .
And it wo n't be what they 're used to be because FireFox/chrome/IE 8 is n't IE 6.Maybe you should start getting every single person you know familiar with FireFox/chrome ( yes , I left off IE 8 ) now ?
In fact , why have n't you already ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up?
They will be totally and completely helpless without Internet explorer, they won't be able to burn it to a CD or put it on a flash drive without your detailed instructions.
And then it won't work.
And it won't be what they're used to be because FireFox/chrome/IE 8 isn't IE 6.Maybe you should start getting every single person you know familiar with FireFox/chrome (yes, I left off IE 8) now?
In fact, why haven't you already?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301607</id>
	<title>Re:Total protectionism by the EU</title>
	<author>hkmwbz</author>
	<datestamp>1244719800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You seem to conveniently skip the fact that the US has competition laws as well, and that Microsoft was convicted there in the late 90s. But hey, I guess it's only bad if the EU enforces its own laws, eh?</htmltext>
<tokenext>You seem to conveniently skip the fact that the US has competition laws as well , and that Microsoft was convicted there in the late 90s .
But hey , I guess it 's only bad if the EU enforces its own laws , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seem to conveniently skip the fact that the US has competition laws as well, and that Microsoft was convicted there in the late 90s.
But hey, I guess it's only bad if the EU enforces its own laws, eh?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300751</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1244716380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up</p></div></blockquote><p>I don't support people, family or not, if I didn't setup their computer and if they don't abide by my rules.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it upI do n't support people , family or not , if I did n't setup their computer and if they do n't abide by my rules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it upI don't support people, family or not, if I didn't setup their computer and if they don't abide by my rules.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303937</id>
	<title>Re:What next EU:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244736600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am pretty sure Apple strongarmed Apple in to exclusively installing their browser! (:P)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am pretty sure Apple strongarmed Apple in to exclusively installing their browser !
( : P )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am pretty sure Apple strongarmed Apple in to exclusively installing their browser!
(:P)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301341</id>
	<title>Everybody knows the Internet doesn't exist</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244718720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everybody knows the Internet doesn't exist if you don't have a browser.</p><p>I mean, that little client app Apple has run on first boot for the past decade which phones home for registration and patches uses the "ether", not the "net", which is useless without a "browser".</p><p>Back in the day, I sent my bytes individually, by hand.</p><p>Now get off my lawn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everybody knows the Internet does n't exist if you do n't have a browser.I mean , that little client app Apple has run on first boot for the past decade which phones home for registration and patches uses the " ether " , not the " net " , which is useless without a " browser " .Back in the day , I sent my bytes individually , by hand.Now get off my lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everybody knows the Internet doesn't exist if you don't have a browser.I mean, that little client app Apple has run on first boot for the past decade which phones home for registration and patches uses the "ether", not the "net", which is useless without a "browser".Back in the day, I sent my bytes individually, by hand.Now get off my lawn.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300141</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301751</id>
	<title>thanks a lot</title>
	<author>bitt3n</author>
	<datestamp>1244720640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>great, now I have to go find IE6 and download it myself. thanks a lot jerks</htmltext>
<tokenext>great , now I have to go find IE6 and download it myself .
thanks a lot jerks</tokentext>
<sentencetext>great, now I have to go find IE6 and download it myself.
thanks a lot jerks</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301143</id>
	<title>Re:MS Updates</title>
	<author>gparent</author>
	<datestamp>1244717880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn, you must have a pretty nice house under that rock if you've stayed there <i>that</i> long.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn , you must have a pretty nice house under that rock if you 've stayed there that long .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn, you must have a pretty nice house under that rock if you've stayed there that long.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300321</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28302375</id>
	<title>Re:What next EU:</title>
	<author>idamaybrown</author>
	<datestamp>1244724240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what OEM does install something other than Safari on an Apple?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what OEM does install something other than Safari on an Apple ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what OEM does install something other than Safari on an Apple?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304153</id>
	<title>Re:Getting Firefox?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244738820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get your facts straight. This is what Microsoft did by themselves, of their own accord. It was their idea, and only theirs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get your facts straight .
This is what Microsoft did by themselves , of their own accord .
It was their idea , and only theirs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get your facts straight.
This is what Microsoft did by themselves, of their own accord.
It was their idea, and only theirs.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28303751</id>
	<title>Re:wake me when...</title>
	<author>Kalriath</author>
	<datestamp>1244735460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The rest of it is Trident, which is to IE what Gecko is to Firefox.  They are removing IE, but not Trident.  Of course, you'll insist that isn't enough anyway, regardless that you can't remove WebKit from Mac OS or KHTML from KDE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The rest of it is Trident , which is to IE what Gecko is to Firefox .
They are removing IE , but not Trident .
Of course , you 'll insist that is n't enough anyway , regardless that you ca n't remove WebKit from Mac OS or KHTML from KDE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The rest of it is Trident, which is to IE what Gecko is to Firefox.
They are removing IE, but not Trident.
Of course, you'll insist that isn't enough anyway, regardless that you can't remove WebKit from Mac OS or KHTML from KDE.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301945</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>cyber-vandal</author>
	<datestamp>1244721480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeh yeh because an OEM is going to provide a PC without a web browser.  God dammit why does this ludicrously moronic argument come up time and again.  I pity the people who rely on you for tech support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeh yeh because an OEM is going to provide a PC without a web browser .
God dammit why does this ludicrously moronic argument come up time and again .
I pity the people who rely on you for tech support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeh yeh because an OEM is going to provide a PC without a web browser.
God dammit why does this ludicrously moronic argument come up time and again.
I pity the people who rely on you for tech support.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300815</id>
	<title>Re:Next Step: No Safari in Snow Leopard???</title>
	<author>Ironica</author>
	<datestamp>1244716620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because the market share of Mac OS is not large enough to constitute an exploitable monopoly position.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because the market share of Mac OS is not large enough to constitute an exploitable monopoly position .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because the market share of Mac OS is not large enough to constitute an exploitable monopoly position.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300409</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300885</id>
	<title>Re:Why are we deprived of this in North America?</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1244716920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Windows 7, you can easily uninstall IE (or so I'm told).  It still keeps the files around somewhere in the system directory so moran users can reinstall "the internet" when they fuck up.</p><p>At least, this is what I've heard.<br>I have yet to use Windows 7 (and I don't know if it's actually in the betas that are out right now).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Windows 7 , you can easily uninstall IE ( or so I 'm told ) .
It still keeps the files around somewhere in the system directory so moran users can reinstall " the internet " when they fuck up.At least , this is what I 've heard.I have yet to use Windows 7 ( and I do n't know if it 's actually in the betas that are out right now ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Windows 7, you can easily uninstall IE (or so I'm told).
It still keeps the files around somewhere in the system directory so moran users can reinstall "the internet" when they fuck up.At least, this is what I've heard.I have yet to use Windows 7 (and I don't know if it's actually in the betas that are out right now).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300107</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28305587</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>Sky Cry</author>
	<datestamp>1244802900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tell them to buy Windows 7 with Firefox bundled by OEM. There. Problem solved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell them to buy Windows 7 with Firefox bundled by OEM .
There. Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell them to buy Windows 7 with Firefox bundled by OEM.
There. Problem solved.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300649</id>
	<title>Re:i still dont see the logic</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1244716020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can someone explain to me why bundling IE with windows is considered to be a trust?</p></div><p>No, because it isn't considered a trust. You don't even seem to know what a trust is, so one can only assume your ignorance of this topic is extreme. Have you considered a dictionary?</p><p>An antitrust law is a law against undermining the operation of a free market by using overwhelming influence in a market. A trust is a group of companies or organizations that collude to use their market power to this end. A monopoly is a company with enough influence to do it my themselves. MS has been ruled to have such influence in the "PC Operating System" market (differentiating it from the workgroup server OS market.). As such, they are forbidden from using that influence to disrupt other, pre-existing markets. The Web browser market qualifies as such a market.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>MS doesn't charge any money for it</p></div><p>Irrelevant.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... and it was better than Netscape when it came out...</p></div><p>Irrelevant.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...why is it all of the sudden a trust and not a trust 15 years ago?</p></div><p>They had a monopoly then too, and it was a crime then, the US charged them with it. Since then other countries have tried them for it over the years. The EU finally charged them in response to complaints from their victims.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone explain to me why bundling IE with windows is considered to be a trust ? No , because it is n't considered a trust .
You do n't even seem to know what a trust is , so one can only assume your ignorance of this topic is extreme .
Have you considered a dictionary ? An antitrust law is a law against undermining the operation of a free market by using overwhelming influence in a market .
A trust is a group of companies or organizations that collude to use their market power to this end .
A monopoly is a company with enough influence to do it my themselves .
MS has been ruled to have such influence in the " PC Operating System " market ( differentiating it from the workgroup server OS market. ) .
As such , they are forbidden from using that influence to disrupt other , pre-existing markets .
The Web browser market qualifies as such a market.MS does n't charge any money for itIrrelevant .
... and it was better than Netscape when it came out...Irrelevant .
...why is it all of the sudden a trust and not a trust 15 years ago ? They had a monopoly then too , and it was a crime then , the US charged them with it .
Since then other countries have tried them for it over the years .
The EU finally charged them in response to complaints from their victims .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone explain to me why bundling IE with windows is considered to be a trust?No, because it isn't considered a trust.
You don't even seem to know what a trust is, so one can only assume your ignorance of this topic is extreme.
Have you considered a dictionary?An antitrust law is a law against undermining the operation of a free market by using overwhelming influence in a market.
A trust is a group of companies or organizations that collude to use their market power to this end.
A monopoly is a company with enough influence to do it my themselves.
MS has been ruled to have such influence in the "PC Operating System" market (differentiating it from the workgroup server OS market.).
As such, they are forbidden from using that influence to disrupt other, pre-existing markets.
The Web browser market qualifies as such a market.MS doesn't charge any money for itIrrelevant.
... and it was better than Netscape when it came out...Irrelevant.
...why is it all of the sudden a trust and not a trust 15 years ago?They had a monopoly then too, and it was a crime then, the US charged them with it.
Since then other countries have tried them for it over the years.
The EU finally charged them in response to complaints from their victims.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300213</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300557</id>
	<title>Re:This will be hell</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1244715660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Doesn't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up?</p></div><p>RTFA idiot! This applies to copies of Windows shipped by MS. It has nothing to do with whether or not a browser will be installed on computers sold to the public.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up ? RTFA idiot !
This applies to copies of Windows shipped by MS. It has nothing to do with whether or not a browser will be installed on computers sold to the public .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't it chill your blood to imagine that you could very suddenly be in a situation where every single person you know who gets a new computer is going to need you to set it up?RTFA idiot!
This applies to copies of Windows shipped by MS. It has nothing to do with whether or not a browser will be installed on computers sold to the public.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300267</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304257</id>
	<title>Re:Why are we deprived of this in North America?</title>
	<author>99BottlesOfBeerInMyF</author>
	<datestamp>1244739780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think it sucks that they won't package IE</p></div><p>Your opinion is noted.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>and the EU needs to stop meddling with these things.</p></div><p>No they don't. The US needs to start enforcing their laws so businesses don't go to the EU to get the same laws actually enforced.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If they want to support open source software by doing something<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div><p>They don't this has nothing to do with OSS.</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...but to cripple a OS over it is weak.</p></div><p>Is Windows crippled because MS doesn't get to pick which CPU it is run on or which video card it is run on? Why would it be crippled if OEMs pick the browser it runs with?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>What if they forced everyone to include every alternative software bundled with the product, and what decides which alternative programs will get the special treatment?</p></div><p>What if? What if they stab all blonde people or make fire illegal? Do you even know what this article is about?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it sucks that they wo n't package IEYour opinion is noted.and the EU needs to stop meddling with these things.No they do n't .
The US needs to start enforcing their laws so businesses do n't go to the EU to get the same laws actually enforced.If they want to support open source software by doing something ...They do n't this has nothing to do with OSS .
...but to cripple a OS over it is weak.Is Windows crippled because MS does n't get to pick which CPU it is run on or which video card it is run on ?
Why would it be crippled if OEMs pick the browser it runs with ? What if they forced everyone to include every alternative software bundled with the product , and what decides which alternative programs will get the special treatment ? What if ?
What if they stab all blonde people or make fire illegal ?
Do you even know what this article is about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it sucks that they won't package IEYour opinion is noted.and the EU needs to stop meddling with these things.No they don't.
The US needs to start enforcing their laws so businesses don't go to the EU to get the same laws actually enforced.If they want to support open source software by doing something ...They don't this has nothing to do with OSS.
...but to cripple a OS over it is weak.Is Windows crippled because MS doesn't get to pick which CPU it is run on or which video card it is run on?
Why would it be crippled if OEMs pick the browser it runs with?What if they forced everyone to include every alternative software bundled with the product, and what decides which alternative programs will get the special treatment?What if?
What if they stab all blonde people or make fire illegal?
Do you even know what this article is about?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301823</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300801</id>
	<title>Re:Will Apple be forced to unbundle Safari?</title>
	<author>Corporate Troll</author>
	<datestamp>1244716560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Hell why not force Microsoft to unbundle NTFS and to use non Microsoft file systems.</p></div></blockquote><p>That would be great!  Imagine that Microsoft supported ext3 out of the box.  Dual-boot would become seamless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell why not force Microsoft to unbundle NTFS and to use non Microsoft file systems.That would be great !
Imagine that Microsoft supported ext3 out of the box .
Dual-boot would become seamless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell why not force Microsoft to unbundle NTFS and to use non Microsoft file systems.That would be great!
Imagine that Microsoft supported ext3 out of the box.
Dual-boot would become seamless.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28300633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28301691</id>
	<title>WebKit would make PC 8 times faster</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1244720280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>If a European computer maker were to install Safari 4 instead of Internet Explorer 8, that would speed up Web browsing for that user by 7.8 times. It would also make the PC compatible with the HTML5 of the mobile Web, soon to be known as The Web. And Safari is so much easier to use. The UI is made to be easy and approachable for everyone. Removing IE 8 also makes Windows safer, because you remove some very popular attack vectors.</p><p>The reason WebKit is so fast is that since the beginning of the project, they've had a rule where if you add a patch, the browser has to continue to be as fast as it was or faster afterwards. No matter how important the patch, if it slows the browser down, they pull it and rework it until it doesn't affect the speed. That's part of why WebKit is on all the smart phones now. It's fast enough that you can run it on an ARM 400MHz with 128MB of RAM that is also running a phone and email in the background, and the browser is usable.</p><p>When you consider that people are buying a whole new system to get one that is maybe 2 times faster, the computer vendor could really add to customer satisfaction by just swapping the browser. They could even do a showdown with their competitor's PC that comes with IE 8 and show how much faster their systems are.</p><p>If the PC is a small notebook that is somewhat underpowered and will be used primarily for Web browsing, removing IE 8 and adding Safari 4 could dramatically change the user experience. For example, a netbook with Safari 4 is likely a faster Web browser than a full-size PC with IE 8.</p><p>If there is going to be a generic PC market, the generic PC makers are going to have to start noticing that software exists. Pretty soon, a generic PC is just going to be one chip from Intel and maybe one from NVIDIA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If a European computer maker were to install Safari 4 instead of Internet Explorer 8 , that would speed up Web browsing for that user by 7.8 times .
It would also make the PC compatible with the HTML5 of the mobile Web , soon to be known as The Web .
And Safari is so much easier to use .
The UI is made to be easy and approachable for everyone .
Removing IE 8 also makes Windows safer , because you remove some very popular attack vectors.The reason WebKit is so fast is that since the beginning of the project , they 've had a rule where if you add a patch , the browser has to continue to be as fast as it was or faster afterwards .
No matter how important the patch , if it slows the browser down , they pull it and rework it until it does n't affect the speed .
That 's part of why WebKit is on all the smart phones now .
It 's fast enough that you can run it on an ARM 400MHz with 128MB of RAM that is also running a phone and email in the background , and the browser is usable.When you consider that people are buying a whole new system to get one that is maybe 2 times faster , the computer vendor could really add to customer satisfaction by just swapping the browser .
They could even do a showdown with their competitor 's PC that comes with IE 8 and show how much faster their systems are.If the PC is a small notebook that is somewhat underpowered and will be used primarily for Web browsing , removing IE 8 and adding Safari 4 could dramatically change the user experience .
For example , a netbook with Safari 4 is likely a faster Web browser than a full-size PC with IE 8.If there is going to be a generic PC market , the generic PC makers are going to have to start noticing that software exists .
Pretty soon , a generic PC is just going to be one chip from Intel and maybe one from NVIDIA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If a European computer maker were to install Safari 4 instead of Internet Explorer 8, that would speed up Web browsing for that user by 7.8 times.
It would also make the PC compatible with the HTML5 of the mobile Web, soon to be known as The Web.
And Safari is so much easier to use.
The UI is made to be easy and approachable for everyone.
Removing IE 8 also makes Windows safer, because you remove some very popular attack vectors.The reason WebKit is so fast is that since the beginning of the project, they've had a rule where if you add a patch, the browser has to continue to be as fast as it was or faster afterwards.
No matter how important the patch, if it slows the browser down, they pull it and rework it until it doesn't affect the speed.
That's part of why WebKit is on all the smart phones now.
It's fast enough that you can run it on an ARM 400MHz with 128MB of RAM that is also running a phone and email in the background, and the browser is usable.When you consider that people are buying a whole new system to get one that is maybe 2 times faster, the computer vendor could really add to customer satisfaction by just swapping the browser.
They could even do a showdown with their competitor's PC that comes with IE 8 and show how much faster their systems are.If the PC is a small notebook that is somewhat underpowered and will be used primarily for Web browsing, removing IE 8 and adding Safari 4 could dramatically change the user experience.
For example, a netbook with Safari 4 is likely a faster Web browser than a full-size PC with IE 8.If there is going to be a generic PC market, the generic PC makers are going to have to start noticing that software exists.
Pretty soon, a generic PC is just going to be one chip from Intel and maybe one from NVIDIA.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_11_2032217.28304197</id>
	<title>Re:Unlike IE, you can actually stop using Safari..</title>
	<author>Kalriath</author>
	<datestamp>1244739240000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Internet Explorer is not just another application, it's a deeply embedded part of the OS. Microsoft has not removed it from Windows, all they've done is hide it from a few of the places it comes into play. It's still there, as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media Player.</p></div><p>No.  IE is just as embedded as Safari.  Which is to say, not at all.  TRIDENT is used in a lot of places, just like how on a Mac WebKit is used in a lot of places.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Internet Explorer is not just another application , it 's a deeply embedded part of the OS .
Microsoft has not removed it from Windows , all they 've done is hide it from a few of the places it comes into play .
It 's still there , as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media Player.No .
IE is just as embedded as Safari .
Which is to say , not at all .
TRIDENT is used in a lot of places , just like how on a Mac WebKit is used in a lot of places .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Internet Explorer is not just another application, it's a deeply embedded part of the OS.
Microsoft has not removed it from Windows, all they've done is hide it from a few of the places it comes into play.
It's still there, as part of Windows Explorer and the Control Panel and Windows Update and Windows Media Player.No.
IE is just as embedded as Safari.
Which is to say, not at all.
TRIDENT is used in a lot of places, just like how on a Mac WebKit is used in a lot of places.
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